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58. Joe Galliano Fills In The UKs Family Tree At The Queer Britain Museum
"Welcome to museum archipelago. I'm there. Museum archipelago guides you through the rocky landscape of museums. Each episode is never longer than fifteen minutes. So let's get started sons out the in order to launch museum. It's a long way too expensive process. Who knew this is Joe Galliano, one of the co founders of the queer Britain museum. Heller, Joe Kelley on on the co founder and CEO of quit Britain, the national LGBT key, plus museum of the UK Galliani came up with the idea for a national LGBTQ, plus museum in two thousand seventeen during the fiftieth anniversary of the partial decriminalization of homosexual acts in the UK an anniversary commemorated by cultural heritage institutions across the country. I felt slightly conflicted is none of us, ry was thrones man. None of us route was focused around criminality victim host some sort of Fe familiar, tropes, that we got rolled out. And we start talking about when we saw. Okay. Man lost via missile site itself. Harry tradition where we will we live in a world thankfully, whether it's a rich a wildly diverse says sexualities and gender identities on the left me slightly sad, and also the fact that it was very much hug him on a verse rate of annoyed didn't want did white another fifty years before it was FANG major happening again mobile spatial, we built something momentum of being gathered around that anniversary and that it didn't just fizzled away lost value. The emphasis on the anniversary of legislation could have come from the context of a long history of formal legal repression of male homosexuality in the UK going all the way back to the buggery act of fifteen thirty three. So we had the buggery act, which was introduced on the ice. On behalf of the ice, which was very much around male sexuality, mile same sex attraction police, invest and this'll kind of tight on the books in various fools until onto sixty seven Radi wedding was partially that was that was partially from allies Asian partially from allies, Asian the age of consent was set twenty one where was sixteen for everybody else that points as well prosecutions, absolutely rocketed. So as soon as that in some allowance for people who behave naturally, it was it becomes a big estate, be people with two legislation only focused on male homosexuality, which is, of course, telling it's interesting that those laws were always about men, women would same sex, desire or less rendered invisible in public life of the law. I think there's also if we're talking about muscle of legislation, I think there has been a. Prejudice, which is actually a lot of bounce patriarchy about mayo views of sexuality, and service to who has an active sexuality who has a passive sexuality, and thanks through a lot of portion of history women's sexuality was seen as inservice to male sexuality. And so what would you legislate against them, though? So some stories that when some of the late bills roles to quit Victoria, that they were too embarrassed to actually talk about as being as or anything like that how much truth there is, of course, the focus of queer Britain won't be legislation. But as Galliano's says the laws previously on the books and the increasing number of violent, homophobic, transphobic, attacks in the today have distorted, the country's understanding of itself, and tie directly into the mission of the museum. We've talked about a central. Hubs of be visible globally and within the mainstream will give a message that here is a here's a catalytic space. The will collect stories of his, his, his way of helping grasp on the standing of itself by giving quiz stories that route full place. So got means rice in place books within the culture and also a rightful place place can be there. The word queer has a complicated history. It was synonymous with strange or weird, and was a common slur from that LGBT people activists in the nineteen eighties. We the word and used it as an umbrella term for wide range of sexual orientations and gender identities today, queers and increasingly popular way to identify within the community, but as historical traumas persist, and as the word can still be found in hostile environments. It's important to note that not everyone's in agreement Gagliano, and the queer Britain museum, use the term. I'm as proud self identifier. And as an intentional move away from using the word gay and male homosexuality in general as standing for all identities. The plan is for queer Britain to have a physical space in London opening sometime in the next few years. Although the U K is full of museums. Some of which have queer artifacts and queer stories Gagliano is conscious of how backsliding can happen in legislation and culture, the laws and norms of today, can't guarantee that the future will look the same institutions like museums are part of maintaining today's momentum and can give people who have had their stories told by others a chance to narrate their own history. It was fun. It was fun movements within the museum communities mouth to quit. Spice has made sure of they all kind of announcement stories and say, how can we them three the main, the main of collections Ave, the yet note some places have got further than others? Some obdurate anything. But, but that's really, really good. What are some of the web site, volunteer life, down vote have via night Hughes convincing really good. Museums, LGBT, museums who is as a great, volunteer activists. I think possible fair is the multiple movement forward. Who's being the relies on activists curator's really excited volunteers in it. It doesn't take too many people to leave sites. Elza move somewhere else in the now that's loss. The other thing I think's really Paul is the, the such of Richard. Wildly diverse Sattar stories to tell that those museums never going to be able to tell those stories whereas what we have the ability to do is to create a catalytic, but what we call stories in. We can keep telling different stories which and change the exhibitions will and that'll DT he people convenient control of stories, as well. Whereas actor history, so often, it's been all the people who've told us stories and Galliano is acutely aware that stories are being lost every day about end as well. We also have a digital filled aural history project, which recalling, especially announced about making sure that we, we've got the story of people who with us now he can add into the archives become Paul that. That. H important really that we gather the story is now. Well, well, people can actually talk to us. So that's a really strong focus of the moment. Now in south of understanding where we're going to be headed with the archives. Always is this. We are designing a national survey of museums around the country today. This is the national archives. What we readings through this kind of a proper sentences. What is the nation's HOGAN material that we would think over's LGBT focused so that will mean then the it'll stairs? Where important gaps had we fill gaps. And that's gonna concave is a census wet. See what foes collecting activity when the museum is still an idea what the word museum means is still flexible, in addition to educational exhibits about queer history and culture. The proposed museum is also a place for people to upload their own stories and the whole project serves as an antidote to the psychological damage of transphobic and homophobic, attacks and depression. But museum interesting words net because it comes also. Pitch. And actually, we're talking about something very much broader than just a museum in official sense. They and currently show what a culture values and every good way of being able to understand where we all now on the somehow we go there, and then take them standard and use them to imagine a best of all possible futures new barrels questions who always haven't we get tweeted? We want to be retired should be different every time you come to new van when, when the physical space itself opened water will be looking at a series of Skype characters an awe rolling series of gastritis so that each each Tommy, bring somebody in like you know, what is the story that you need to tell what is the story that hasn't been told material that fit unexplored in other museums archives where able to shine a light phone. Sometimes it'll be about the abstract condition won't that position is going to be bringing line around the block. We can conditions of turning community stories that have been told, for example. So it could be everything from an I'm talking off the top of my head. Right. That's my, but that could be everything from what is Ellen Jones stage, costumes through to what is the quick Bangladeshi experience of bumming in the nineteen fifties, creating a new museum is no small task. But Galliano is ready for the challenge as he goes through the processes collecting and fundraising. He's also focused on building partnerships, his route to creating a robust institution begins with acknowledging that is a bigger project than just one person or one identity many challenges. If you want to look, they're all fascinating and exciting to step up to how do you carry the responsibility to make sure that something that there's such a, an needful? I'm such a desire. Sunny within the LGBT plus communities. How do you carry the weight of the responsibility of having said that you're going to do this, and making sure that you've delivered for those people, you know, or want to create an organization? But if I sat away from it, and the, we've got the right you know, the, there's another person that will be able to take over them, mantle. And so the, the organization isn't about one person but we've created a robust organization that will be able to deliver fabulously. It's my exciting thing I've ever worked till because it's the thing on most. I've never I've never worked for something. I feel so passionately is is important. I've never picked off a project which is. Brilliantly challenging, is this in it scale in the Skype in the scope of all the different stakeholders, the, we need to make sure sort of role close and doing the right things, and, and that we also keep a laser focus on the strategy to make sure that. This episode of museum archipelago is brought to you by the museum studies graduate program at the Corcoran, school of the arts and design at the George Washington University with a graduate degree in museum studies. You'll be quipped to respond to the evolving museum profession by engaging in hands on training in the heart of the nation's museum capital established in nineteen seventy six the program combines academic excellence with access to some of the most celebrated institutions in the world. 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Brian Stack Returns
"And now it's time for inside cone and important hollywood cast. Hey everybody welcome back to inside. Conan unimportant hollywood podcast. We're your hosts. I'm jesse gaskell and i'm mike sweeney and we're writers on the conan show and tbs right before we started recording. This no joke. I put on some pants for the first time today. Irish in the pocket. And i found a twenty dollar bill. Oh that's great which has never happened to me before and it was very exciting. I've neither put on. Pants northbound a twenty dollar bill today why i started a something exciting. A wooden jigsaw puzzle. Oh my gosh. Oh that sounds very hauge. It does very yoga. But at some company in colorado i think called liberty and they make them out of plywood and i guess it's a throwback to the way they used to be made but it's a nightmare dump the pieces out. I feel like. I was looking at an unassembled car or something. I just don't know if i'm going to continue with straight edges but you know how usually start by doing the edges the border. Well no the fun of these puzzles is the straight edges can be from the middle of the puzzle. And they're like if you really wanna have fun. You can order the puzzle without the cover art so you don't even know. Oh yeah no. It's it's mad. I i'll give it a go. We'll see what happens. Well it's funny. You brought it puzzles because someone at works out a link to pud swag the website. A right and i went on and there's actually an inside conan puzzle. I had no idea that it existed. The puzzle is for why he does it exist. I of merge for us that. I know about yes. What's the puzzle of just the cover are. The puzzle is the cover art yes. There's some really great stuff on there. Well that's that's a great tip especially for these holiday season if you want a white elephant gift that will not only by anybody if you wanna see that look of puzzlement. When do you like explaining your gifts. Why do we have a line of gifts for you. We got to introduce our guest because we talked to him for a long time again. He's he's another two timer on the podcast. He's kind of for years synonymous with the show. Brian stack just bury writer performer. Yes he was one of those guys that you could always just a pinch hitter. You could put them in a sketch and there was a pretty good chance that it was going to get on the air. It's almost like phil hartmann. You know you'd hear like Will write something for phil hartmann than it would on us anelle. It's money in the bank. So we talked about some of his icon characters. And how he's doing hunker down in upstate. New york right yeah. He lives in westchester county and he was in his kitchen which she could probably tell. Because you may hear some kitchen appliances going in the background. Sounds like he's in a diner. Someone going coroner. I've never. I don't know that term corner core. It's like when you go around the corner with and you gotta trayful of glasses you'll corner. I worked in food service here. He is. Brian stack well. We are here with brian stack. Hello brian brian. Hse back inside. Conan one of our only repeat guests. I think conan was on twice. Yeah it's michael. It's very excited to have you back on. Oh it's so great to be back. Thanks for having me back yeah. It's great to see you. Well we miss you because you're in new york we do. Yeah i miss you too. I really do. I think about you guys. All the time. And i i was thinking about this like i was like eighteen years when it was supposed to be three. Months is just crazy that i worked at conan for eighteen years and i thought it would be thirteen weeks. Kinda crazy right. I'm so grateful. Always be so great over that and to get to work with you guys and you at the time. We're living in chicago when you when you came in for those thirteen weeks right. Yeah i was still living there. Where i'm from and i got a little sublet but i was probably going back in three months in but i fell totally in love with it right away. I was thinking. It'd be great to stay but i really didn't think it was going to be possible. And then you learned that no one ever gets fired. I would if i wanna leave. No this a hotel california at the time it helped. Nbc was was like rolling in that friends in law and order. Cash and i was making mitt writers guild minimum and when tommy came back i think they were like oh one. More writer made hami blocher. Who's a writer you filled in for right. I was supposed to fill in until tommy came back. And then i think at the time i was just a drop in the bucket. I was like bagel money. So i was wasn't big deal. I'm sure within a week. Like oh he's staying. Yeah yeah thanks. Mike your guy. Yeah of course. I love it right away definitely. I definitely wanted to stay. That's for sure. One thing i want to ask you. Is you know there's a big conan news last week about going to hbo. Max i saw that you tweeted about it and wrote something very nice about time on the show said eighteen years with conan. You just got this giant outpouring of people on your twitter feed just saying that they were big coenen fans but they identify so much of the comedy on that. Show with you as well as you know and i. I thought that that's kind of probably a really nice thing to hear. It's really meant a lot. Just that i think we all have those things. We watch when we were growing up in latte times. Yeah i don't know about. You might are you jesse but there are times where we'd be doing the show at continent you've felt. We were kind of just doing it for ourselves. You'd almost forget that anyone was seeing it. Yes agreed it was always kind of a surprise me when people would mention a bit even if it wasn't my bit like i remember when john mayer was on the show and he mentioned a bit that glazer mechanic done called t. copywriter cage match Yeah it was. One of my favorite bits had nothing to do with it. But i loved it so much and the fact that he saw it and knew what it was. I was like wait. You know about t. copywriter that aired on television. Who told you exactly. But that's the best. Like when owen jack white recognize andy blitz as leonard diesel vin. Diesels nerdy burglar. Your leonard diesel and. i'm like. Oh my god jack. White knows leonard diesel. This is the best and that's just the best people recognize little bits from our show right. That was a great sketch. The T copyright cage match. It was so glaser In mccann it was just right there sitting in the audience. Yeah and they were guys. Who wrote the copy on the side of Tee boxes like bigalow and yeah like lipton. Sleepytime tea chamomile. Yeah right right. And they start one upping each other and getting really cocky with each other and the only way to settle. The feud was to have a death match in a cage and my favorite moment and it was coney goes you know how this works in a sure do mccain goes no cannon idea how what the rules are just one of those wonderful little mom what characters. People most associate brian with. Because he's done so many like what are you hear about the most. Well the weird thing was is. I was often buried under lake wigs. and right. Here's the weird thing was. If i looked like myself it was usually someone else's bit usually would hide as much as possible right. But what did i remember. I think i might have told you this before. But we were in the bar and forty eight th street or irish bar and the bartender goes only one of the slip notes because in this leads i pretty much look like myself but i was usually buried under wigs and hats and glasses because i was hiding or doing a voice over exactly. Yeah trying to just bury myself as much as possible. You know what one character we. We didn't talk about the last time. And if you touch anything we talked about the last time a buzzer. We'll go nice system. One of my favorite characters interrupt. Oh thanks yeah which. I think you created with michael komen. Yeah michael michael had the idea for it originally. Because i think you might remember this kony would often joke a rehearsal. Okay how am. I going to get interrupted today. Like they're get interrupted by some weirdo and the audience. Right weird characters. Going to interrupt right. Someone in the audience is going to go. I don't always be like even like what's going on. I can't been hating that for twenty five years. Oh my god because he still hates it will he say do like. Oh you mr mooney in the sketch. Lucy had a a comedy series. I guess in the sixties and her boss was loose like she worked in a bat and she was on he was a straight man. And a lot of these sketches. Just okay and michael michael just kind of playing with that idea and wanted me to come in as a as a freak and was originally just supposed to be a one off. And then several months later i was like hey. Can we expand that into an like learn more about that guy and so we we brought him back and it eight hundred time. We did it and like like almost everything i did. It get gradually darker and sadder like the character get more and more have more and more of a horrible light so you learned that. He lived in a dumpster behind the port authority bus terminal one of my favorite line that they give us michael so as he had seven different types of hepatitis. A. in coney goes. I didn't even know there were seven different types of hepatitis. The timing on that fourth was was great. Thanks it was always fun to do. Miriam came in as a female interrupt or in one. Right variety of interrupt. Yes exactly we would joke. Sometimes she'd be in a sketch and you know miriam's great she's hilarious great performer spin so many great tv shows and we use all the time and sketches and sometimes if the got cut because it wasn't funny like oh it's going to be tenths in the stacks we've always we're so used irish catholic self esteem or where like. I'm surprised it didn't get that went on. I didn't ruin it. You know what. I love when you left the conan shown. Tbs to go back to new york we ran a big tribute. Like kind of your greatest tits and at the end you came out. Lives interrupted which was fun and in violation of the nbc intellectual property. I swear i made terminally grateful first of all you put. That package together was way more than i ever expected. It meant a lot to me. Thank you oh that was fun. Was that a surprise. I was not expecting there to be like a real like that and then free throws a goodbye party to is incredibly nice. Watched it again. When i knew you were coming on. And it's a great. It really does have a lot of things he did that. I totally forgot about that hilarious. So well someone brought up in the writer's room. The party was a tax write in the writer week. We watch it. I can't even remember why it came up but we watched a sketch where brian you are camera. Guy who for some reason but a blue scarf for conan's wife for the holidays creepy camera and it's so funny but then it also. You kept improvising at the end. I mean we can all tell that it was improvised. Because i think you either commented on you were like you mean. Why is this going so well and then and then you said your. I bet your wife likes it. I think conan made you goes cameraman. Let's see the shot back camera. And then you guys improvised about that for five minutes but there was so much improv that that would always make it onto the air which is so fun. I mean how did you you. And cody really found a rhythm where you kinda knew all right. It's going to be okay for me to keep improvising with him. Well i think the fact that he came from an imprint background himself and then he really enjoys when things would go off the rails Always made it more fine. Wakey bear fell off his desk once. We were like Or he knocked it off and then it was like just have fun with that. Or when i was walking down the stairs as god and i slipped and my sandals because i'm so clumsy and he said god have you been drinking. You know those are latte. Or i remember. When mccann's shot he shot andy blitz and then he shot himself and his wig and hat fell off right when he died. And so he's laying there laughing while he's supposed to be dead and those were allowed to times like when those things happened and you roll with it and treat it and have fun with it. Those are the best moments. When you're yeah really just and i think conan's are so comfortable with you because he knows i think he wanted love when things went off the rails you 'cause then he was in good hands. Yeah you brought up wicky bear which we should explain with that is if people don't know is just toy that came out eight or nine years ago that was like a teddy wreck spin toy and you could ask it questions and it was like it was based on wikipedia would answer any. He was a teaching tool for children. We brought it out and you did the voice of it it started. Oftentimes you and conan would improvise at the end. Which was delightful. But it got very dark. But also i think the game of wicky bear came out of improv. Didn't it initially in rehearsal right. It didn't go quite as dark. And then that was something that you improvise bryant right. I think originally at todd. I had the just the fact that there's a lot of misinformation on wikipedia with todd levin. Who's a writer on the show at rehearsal. One of the stories was about. It was a little bit dark. Conan started jokingly going. Well we compare. Why don't you just talk about the manson family. And i know way too. Much about the man. Kam started riffing with them about. Oh that's probably way abigail folder with your and he's just like oh my god wikipedia and conan saying rehearsing us. I think this is the bit. I think this is the game. It's it has to be this dark stuff. That's not appropriate for kids. Yeah row dark. It was one of those happy accidents where we're like. Oh yeah this is how it should be right. And then that became a balancing act because sometimes rehearsal. Yeah i would be laughing really hard but we're like. I do think we could do that. Yeah there was one story about a german guy who wanted to eat and other guy right and we're like this is just not even dark funny. It's just its chairman. Would improve our ratings right exactly on glad you remembered. I couldn't remember what the too dark story was. But that sounds about right. That was it. I think that. I think though in the very first week air we did. There was a story about the donner party. But it was from th century. So i think it was. The other one was too soon. I guess i remember one line. In wicky goes he was the first one eaten. Yeah because it was a pioneer times thing. It was okay. Hey conan here am announcing something special for all of you people listening right now especially if you're a fan of mine. I don't want to assume that you're a fan of mine. If you're listening you might be just like tolerant of me ambivalent ambivalent as some are. Yeah or you could be fan. If you're a fan. I want to tell you about something really. Cool the golden ticket. 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Team coco podcasts on instagram. For weekly guest lineups. We always made fun the lincoln all the time and it was just. We come up with different ways to that he was assassinated. Like i remember once we had Lincoln combat his head was cryogenically frozen. Nassau's his head in a in a bell jar and he's talking to conan. You know it's great to be live again. And then the curtain opens at a bell jar comes with ahead head of john wilkes booth and got a gun in his mouth and shoots ads the lincoln head. I remember one where you shot yourself as lincoln because there was an that had come back in time. And you're losing your mind so you shot yourself juror. Ian robertson astronaut. It was insane. It was completely insane. Oh my dad. That i remember. There was a lincoln. There was a sketch with like five different time. Travel tropes going on in chat lincoln legendary you of course as you sold the hell out of that bed. I'll always respect how to you. For many reasons fell out of it. I pretended i was. I really had to reach deep. That's a legendary for the emotional truth of. I've always admired that when people have the courage to go like you went all out with that bit with in terms of your commitment and like like mccann when he used to do the loose. Brian mccann's bit. And he i wanted. I was trying to make him laugh. But can't another one was always fearless. Like when he would do the loser character he would push his stomach out as far as he could when he was wearing a speedo. Because it was funnier. He has no vanity. You know it. Like i always admire. That didn't always insist on his ass cheeks showing. Yes if it's funny to base. He played when we first started a tbs. We're the first. Remotes was kinda went to visit the standard tia standards person and was asking him. What's what's allowed allowed. And then he calls. Brian mccann and brian turns to leave like the ass cheeks. He played sm lincoln. That was one of the funniest pitchers ever. You had a lot of great characters on the show to like one of my favorites. That made me laugh so hard. And i think you came up with this bit with todd again thompson was it was called Basic cable name that tune. Alright yeah that was ties idea. Yes great yeah and the whole premise was now there were on basic cable. We can't afford to play real music because of the legal. The rights costs too much money. Truth in comedy convoluted but the whole point of it was to get to us singing. We'd have knockoffs and famous songs. And you would sing the knock off and you are. You're a singer called david. Lafontaine also had a dark backstory. Right yes i think. So and my favorite part was always say. I hate that guy i hate. He would say to the audience members. I hate him. I hate him so much and i would. I would enjoy like tossing and something. Like not as much as i hate my or whatever. Those are always my favorite things in the hatred. Yeah no you provide once you're done with the songs which were all i enjoy stuff. That's bad on purpose songs for hilarious. But then yeah you'd ad lib a lot afterwards with conan which which was great fun and also you played. Joe galleano yeah. That was always fun to use a designer in paris again trouble and so you came on to defend yourself and he's outlandish his dress and so every time they'd cut away from you to talk to conan. We put another insane to scott scott chronic. He was always one of those unsung. Mvp's of the shelves are wardrobe. Designer is creativity in and humor that he would inject suggests something kind of a vague idea and he would always make ten times funnier. You know and like yes and his hats. In addition to the time and effort involved were always super funny and creative. Like i remember one had like unicorns flying through the air like over rainbows and stuff and it was a birthday cake to. I mean they were just insane hats. We just basically said scott go completely nuts with these hats and now with a fun sketch because part of the fun was that sometimes the hat wouldn't completely get on like it wouldn't change wouldn't be perfectly executed in such a short amount of time right right and it'd be kinda busted when we'd cut back to you. You'd still be like trying to do the character. Well you might see someone like bruce putting the hat on your headstone. I think there was a rehearsal. Outtake of bruce actually in the frame a few times and stuff. You're that's interesting. Point with jesse brought up for live television. Well live television. Show taped front of a live audience. We would oftentimes think about. Oh you know what. Even though some of this stuff won't is only seen by the studio audience and the tv audience won't see it. It'll be a delight for the studio audience. And that kind of make the whole peace more enjoyable and i think that's an example that like something that audience was there got to see people throwing these hats new every five seconds at. I think they were just like kind of like seen behind the curtain a bit. Yeah i think they really enjoyed that. Yeah like we're talking about that once with the clutch cargo's where you know. We would have the cut out of the face and has see the lips. Robert smuggle michael and conan when they started that were really smart about it. They had the actors doing it out in front of the audience so they were kind of in on the joke of how is being done. It just enhanced the humor of it. I think and people's joint. Absolutely i came to see the show in ninety four. Andy he got his tickets. And when i was still living in chicago and i was just visiting new york and i remember doing a clutch and they had the curtain open and i was like. This is so cool to see how they do this. I remember really having that audience experience of watching he was doing bill cosby don king. I think That character slim oregon body was met show. And i remember all the details because it was such a big thing for me to come see alive tape right. It was. It was really exciting. I never wanted forget that you know it was really fun. I went to one late night. Taping one. So it was david letterman and i just remember all of. It was just edged in my like letterman. Came up before the show. And i'm just like oh god the audience for the show. I know i know. I can't wait to see what the guest is. How paul sorvino. So that totally calmed me down. And then you're like. Oh i could do this. I could do this job. Yes it was. Sarah jessica parker than we. Oh yes so now. I mean you've been working on the late show with stephen colbert for six years. Now gosh it started in two thousand fifteen so a little over five fads crazy how we did. The i was there at the. Tbs show for five and right that kind of blue by two. And i think when you're like i remember when we first got to the warners lad. I was like wow. This is this feels really good. It just felt like a really good place to do the conan show. And i always liked that allowed a lot. I always that it was fun to walk around. And oh it's great being film nerd too. I would walk passing. I would here a tour guide. Say and this was used for the french cafe scene in casablanca. And i'm like. Oh my god yeah. I was just nerd out completely in that and then i would see like an old james cagney gangster movie on tv. There was a warner brothers singing. I'm like oh that's the new york set where the taco places wa gets right near the taco place and like that's one of the magical things about that lot. I think that's one small block that just gets transformed into any time period and city in the world. It's so strange actually. And you're right. Some of those buildings have been there since the thirties. Yeah it's crazy. They did they. Just keep redressing the mirror putting different names in the window but from casablanca to heart of dixie. Early gilmore girls. Yeah we had a german who is living with us for a while. Cheat she was a gilmore girls fanatic. And she walked. She came to the latte one day and she says it's the cafe this it was so touching to see how overwhelmed she was being on the gilmore girls on like seeing the gilmore girls buildings in the gazebo and she. That's the tree. The tree where the girl would sit under up. And i hadn't seen the show so i didn't know what he was but that was very nice for her. That's always weird when people are just going gaga. Something that you haven't experienced there was an old writer and conan mike stone off. Who's he played blossoms brother on the tv show. I never watched blossom. And so i was like okay. Sure you know but we'd go. We'd leave rockefeller center to get lunch. People were saying yeah. Yeah yeah it's like wait a minute. Something's wrong with this picture. I remember when my daughters i met conan they were. I think my youngest daughter was excited to me conan because he had just interviewed ashley. Tisdale like a disney star. She's like yeah she's like exactly she's like you've talked to ashley tisdale. And he's the host. I'm now one degree away from ashland. That's great it was pretty adorable and conan rolled with it very very wonderfully. i was just gonna ask bright if he has any memory of like a time. Something went really poorly. Because i always just assumed that you killed in every single sketch. Is there ever a time that you remember something not working out the way you thought it would. There was one night where i only had like a two line thing in a live bit. And i told steve king the guy was like i don't i don't eat heart boy. Yeah and i remember I just went up. I just went completely blank. And steve flipped the card like he had one like he just anticipated or sense that just a brief pause but i think he knew he knew who i was screwed so he saved my but in that one and i remember. There's been so many. You know you brought up the cue card thing. And when i when i was first in a sketch on conan i remember someone really explicitly told me i it might have been the stage manager greg casts off but he was like you have to read the cue cards. Don't memorize the lines. Just read the cue cards. Because if you try to memorize you'll go blank when audiences here so just you know in rehearsal and in the show read it Don't have it memorized. Well that's why. I feel so bad that the first sketch i wrote the we talked about this last time was andy's little sister. Right where amy poehler playing any so sister. And i was so new that i didn't i thought if people could see the cue cards they would see all the jokes and i i said. Well let's not use cue cards. Ame can just. I was like i was like amy. Just memorize the law. And which is insane. And it was so unfair and she didn't complain she just memorized it. A wow and. I still can't believe she did that and i can't believe i'm i asked her to do that. Which was so insane. Because i had never done it myself. I had never done anything in the audience where i would have known that how crazy that way right. I think probably a few times in after a few we. We ended up using cars. But i remember thinking. Oh they'll see all the the upcoming punchline jokes coming up but they don't really look at the cards. they're looking at the monitors watching the gadget. So i didn't know that. So i i felt so bad. People look at the cards. I used to be obsessed with that too like sometimes the guys would hold the cards up well before the person started the sketch. So that was my pet peeve is like can you just wait till i mean. I know it's like you know you don't want to do it too late but i can you wait his latest possible before hold up cards let the audience know that you know. Someone's about audience this kind of art to it. the timing of it if someone's already sitting in the audience and a gorilla costume they're they're gonna no. That's that's so true. I remember sitting is the devil. Wants all the way in the back seat and someone's gonna see me sitting. Here is the devil in new york. They don't even blink those way other thing like you'd come to rehearse and they put something like the gorilla in the second row. It's like let's let's move him in the every single person who i always liked the look of the audience members when you'd sit down next to them and they have no idea what the bid is. But you're just sitting there like numbers. I'm thinking you're right. Be great if it never paid off if you were actually warning the sketch. Oh that would've been fun. I remember once laser. We we did a bit. Where glazer was this said. Guy with maracas who is shaking with the band right and we. We decided to let it go like about two-thirds through the show before conan calls out. Hey who is that guy. I remember He turns to mexico's. Max going to introduce this special guy sitting at the band. This is literally. He's been shaking maracas in marietta she outfit for the show the show and then he says actually gonna introduce the guy in the abandoned. Mexico's i thought you invited anyone else in the band of vitamin and a sir. I don't understand if no one invited you. Why are you here and glazer just runs out of the theater. And that was the whole joke and i remember by. You had to watch two thirds of the show to seeing him. Sit there shaking morocco. Like yeah like in and out of every commercial. Because he's the ban. It was made no sense. No i love stuff like that. Where a lot of pipe. I loved the back that we could kind of take swings like that at that show and just say well it may not work but we think it's funny and like yeah. There were so many bits like that where we're like glacier with the little clinton hand puppet there we go home that boy that was just an office bit and it ended up making it on the show. You know i love that. Bit code was like athers. Not there's nothing always when he does it in the writer's room. I i saw one of those. I don't know why i saw it again years later and i was terrified to watch it because i did well but it is a lot of like part of the humor is how how late at night when you when we came up with brian. We have to wrap up with you but we like to ask our guests for a piece of advice for somebody out there listening. Who might wanna do what you do. That could be improv writing sketch. I think one thing that i've found and this goes with the the stand up. Friends have come up with. I've never done stand up in my life. But i think it's true for the stand ups that i've worked with and the people were exclusively writers and the people that came out of improv. Is that everybody kinda started out doing something. They genuinely loved. As corny as that sounds. I think if you stop doing something that you really love doing as an end in itself it will. It can be more likely to become a means to an end because you're working with people you really like. You're on the same way like doing stuff that you genuinely enjoy in that shows in your work and so i think people it's perfectly fine to just be a writer. I think that's great. I do think there can sometimes be an advantage to being in a community of improvisers or a community of stand ups. Because as you know a lot of times you find out about opportunities from your peers. You're in the trenches with. Yeah mostly yeah. I actually found out about submitting to conan through people like mccain and right andy and those guys who knew me from chicago. Conan didn't know who i was john. Grop didn't know who i was and you didn't mike so it was like i can't tell you how many times i've heard that from other people too that they found out about opportunities sue people who they started out with when they were just working basements and stuff. You know yeah you know like all the times. I got a network or i got a but but that stuff just kind of happens by being in the trenches and an investing a lot of time in addition you know what i mean so it it takes like after doing something for three or four five seven eight ten years. It's like oh you don't even think about it but you've got this community of people who are helping each other and it evolves very naturally absolutely and. I think that that's been true for so many people. I've met in various types of community standup improv writing. Also i think it really helps as you know ninety five percent of the time you're just hanging out in an office with people too so i think it really helps to be someone that is going to sound pollyannaish but is nice to gets along with other people. Because i think if you get a reputation as someone who's really difficult or a pain in the ass. They know that most of the time you're gonna be sitting around in an office with them. It should be people you want to hang out with. You know so you're gonna want to hire you. Get a bad rep and someone's like and i worked with that guy. He's really funny. Airs me yeah or live really difficult. I'm not saying that difficult. People can't succeed and we all know people into but i think it really helps to be. Those people has definitely. But i think it really. It's easy to get a reputation as kind of being an asshole up if and it can follow you. it can honda. I think it can harpoon some of the opportunities that came along because some it'd be like yes he's funny but he's it's not worth it just gonna say. I think we've said this before. But brian is notoriously. One of the nicest people that anyone's ever worked with suspiciously. So i agree. Thank you so much and honestly. I'm not just reciprocating at that. I sincerely say that back to both of you and honestly. I never taken for granted when i'm working with really nice. People that are really funny and i'll always be grateful. I got to do that for so many years with you. Well we're grateful. I wish you guys the best of the hbo mac show. Thanks then the the without borders with and whatever else you guys are up to in the meantime and please give my love to everybody at the show and we will. It was great to talk to you and thanks well thanks. Thanks brian all right. That was. Brian stack coming to us from his kitchen. And west corner quarter. I'm gonna eighty six the corner. It was nice to catch up with brian. He is really truly one of the sweetest people i've ever met. Yes credibly talented. But you know enough about him. Let's turn to a real staple. And i think something that's never been done or attempted on any other podcast and that is questions from listeners. Wow the question. Today from fan is a. It's a voicemail it's voicemail good voicemails high in saikkonen would like to know how they prepare an audience member for something like the lawbreakers guy especially how long it sitting there next to the performer. Like mr dubuffet tight ridiculous costume before we see them on camera. That's a great question. As i love the term. How did they prepare the audience prepare. The audience bathed some light massage. Right we should explain about wall burgers the walberg sketch. It was around the height of the popularity of the show. Game of thrones. Right and andre deuba shea would dress up as a guy in like a game of thrones 'cause play basically like one of the men who protect the wall he would have a real booming voice and he would say something is coming conan and it starts with a w. i'm talking of course about all burgers and he actually was a big fan of the show wall burger so it was a mr act because he thought he was going to talk. About game of thrones. We have to explain what the wall burgers which of course is a reality show about the walberg family and their burger joints the sketches hilarious. Yes and we. We talked to brian about this a little bit too but we often have crazy costumed character in the audience and they do have to sit and wait for usually conan goes he no he he comes out and does his intro and monologue and then then the characters introduced so. There's a while where the person's just sitting out there in the audience. Well for a while early on like some sketches on on the old late night show. There'd be like five or six characters in the audience and ask in a sketch that would start right after on the monologue they would precede them prior to the show. Starting then like you know what. It's really distracting misteri. Bear ball dresses. Yeah you know neptune. And he's like we maybe start seeing them after the monologue but before the sketch start so that was the concession to conan. Yeah usually there would often be like a vat or something before the the big character sketch so then you could come out during the and actually they do have to warn the audience member whose seat you're taking because it's a real audience person that's sitting there and then they. They know in advance that they're going to be moved for this sketch that's got to be scared with. A giant beer covers. Should give them move. Yeah well thanks for that question. I think we said this last week but we only have a few episodes left of the season. So if you have questions get them in. 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