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Week 8 Buy/Sell + Midseason Review & TNF Preview

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Week 8 Buy/Sell + Midseason Review & TNF Preview

"Stories like electrical plumbing manufacturing or more Zoro's got it from brands you know and trust and Zoro Dot com offers amazing customer service from Real People Zoro Dot com is where you'll find everything you need for businesses of any size and almost any industry they have tools equipment and supplies for everything you need whether you need stuff for I mean that's after championships and everything but Jason it is Wednesday that means we must buy or we must sell you buy or sell presented by Pristine auction coming off a week where I was five welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from Pristine Auction Dot Com studios receiver eighteen is will fuller he's willful or had that smash week number one against the Atlanta Falcons but other than podcast it's the Wednesday edition that means we're going to be doing some buyer sell news Thursday night preview and today we're going to add ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the fantasy footballers podcast I'm your host for today Mike the Fantasy Hitman right joined by Wednesday's best friend pretty soon it's GonNa be everyday in these never going to come back with your house Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Grade amid season review we're halfway through we're halfway through the season look at who's ranking wear some of the that he has finished no higher than wide receiver thirty seven and that was kind of a good game because every other game he's been outside of the top fifty so for five little upset little disappointed in myself we got to we try to make these more difficult but we got to and which WanNa highlight the ones where we differed Gardner disappointments whose ranking highly with think maybe they will not be by the end of the season yeah and this is this is almost like you know in our off season it's so easy to look at a season or a you know a total over a large number of games and say Oh this guy is good or bad there needs to be context and Eventu- top twelve quarterback correct by me but yes I did not believe he would be I was incorrect but we've got a I think a really great series right after the season concludes right you know the truth of wider the truth series where we don't just you know now shoot Mike adjacent best friend twenty-third like this is key to the city day ex exactly right this is going to be a day where every year from here on out to four different running backs including todd Gurley Peyton Barber Duke Johnson Leonard Fournette Todd Gurley I don't know why that was his name I am going to buy this right Tavern Coleman he has not often gone over seventy total yards however you know he's been injured I'm going to specify this Jason Okay Wednesday October twenty third who ran out of the day you didn't give a year so this is to Derrick Henry you bought in that he would not hit the one hundred rushing yard mark he hit ninety and this is the second time there Derrick Henry has you know we need to know are they turning in the right direction are they consistent inconsistent so we'll we'll cover some of those things today in for example we can do a snapshot right now the white rest addition Tevin Coleman seventy total yards vs Carolina he's only surpassed that mark once in four games the panthers have allowed seventy total yards for several games and then last week was the mud bowl nobody was getting seventy yards the slash fast and so yeah I think in this Game Carolina has rush me by the smallest margin of error still crushed and so we tied so this week will will be important exactly week eight NFC. I believe he's going to be back this week so I'm going to buy by the skinniest of margins I do have him right now in my weekly rankings as such so I will Christian Kirk is going to come back this is one where it's like I feel like if I knew Kirk was back I would buy if I knew he was gone I would sell so the foot clan will remind us on October twenty third of our great friendship and relationship someone make a bronze statue get that thing up right welcome to the why don't eighteen yes the water eighteen on the season sounds like someone you would want incorrect but that's just a little brief preview of the true series which is a ways away a little bit America America this this is the mini Dr The mini Meg and that what I was talking about is we're going to add elkins are beatable everywhere in which case a lot of times they don't need to be beaten on the ground and using our new tool the stream fine oh ma which is the Broncos and you listen to the fantasy footballers John Hamilton listening to the fantasy football is podcast so I just think what the split time we'll see if we can hit seventy total yards Kyla Mary top ten quarterback against the New Orleans Saints in seven weeks I will buy it because I will buy any any chance I get to get production against the Atlanta Falcons I'm going to buy and I think that Chris Carson can return I got us man this is this is a really really tough one the New Orleans Saints Defense is obviously very good came home we don't know whether or not six Carl Amari is four games in the top two games in the middling and last week was the quarterback twenty-seven because chase Edmunds said now bro runningback sixteen it was actually very disappointing if you watched the game Chris Carson it seemed like he could get nothing really going and by the you sell in no it's the total yards so that's going to involve the passing work as well it's not that I believe that Devin Colman cannot just the your own answer I'm like Oh yeah that's the right I say I'm going to buy you sound like Dang it that's a really good but WANNA trust my process and it's he's right there for me right currently QB ten so it's it's a thin margin can we this should be top twelve why made top ten that's two who wants it to be harder Chris Carson top seven running back versus set Blantyre the pairing of him map Morita who was stuck in a concussion protocol for a little bit guys I poked but he's back manpreet will be there yeah it's tough each of each of these weeks so every week of the season if you combine running back points is a really good front but man the the forty niners run game with Shannahan system I believe it I'm going to buy I'm going this season however the Cincinnati bengals wide receiver top fifteen wide receiver. Jason you're by yourself the game it was an poor game for Chris Carson running back sixteen yeah so I will buy him against the Falcons I'm going to sell I think that the so I get that but the four weeks prior to that they did not give up a top twelve fantasy day two running backs I'm GonNa say Chris Carson outside the tops so we're we've got three disagreements here this should make for an excellent show next Wednesday brandin cooks top fifteen wide receiver is only finish their wants not believing against the Atlanta Falcons I am starting jared Goff over Carson Wentz this week but there's too many options for me to bank on that I'm going to sell varied vanished for you James Yes it's excellent now the last two weeks against the Los Angeles Rams they give up the twelfth most fantasy points to running backs and the number one against Arizona will I will I will I will buy an hi I'm going to sell ya by the smallest of Mars it's never a good sign when you don't like The bengals are what we call not good but I look I know I made the mistake last week of body Jared Goff and that makes me sad that drop like literally ready for this top news item news and notes from around the league presented by sleeper Bengals have given up a top fifteen performance so with all those points going to the running back position it might be more difficult for Brandin cooks to get it done the home road split guy where he he does perform better at home so he's on the road now I'm going to sell is an every game except for last week well and you said he's over five most games over six several times he is over the last couple of years doc very nice yeah so carry on Johnson is is out he's had a couple good weeks a couple of disappointing weeks the registration code ballers GONNA get five bucks to your first purchase We have to get into the news Jason I don't know so I'm also going to sell our final one here Larry Fitzgerald six catches against the saints kind of ties into Kyla Murray Larry Fitzgerald has been five plus I will buy it's it's ironic that use old cuyler yet are buying Larry I bought cuyler him selling Larry on this on the basis of Christian Kirk being of silence for Kerryon Johnson it's it's rough obviously if if you're new and you don't understand I've been a very big believer in the talent ah yesterday and I'm sure that the prices went up I asked on twitter what did people spend on Thai Johnson I saw everything from the twenty percent thirty percent mid thirty percents seemed like the most common but I saw ninety percent hundred percent every people are all in on it the lions keep losing why would you bring him back late in the year you know you're going to have a situation where you go okay use the rest of the season recovered for next year but let's say best case back and I think that the targets go the other direction that was by herself Pristine Auction Christie's auction dot com the best sports memorabilia website of all time makes us spend thirty because tied Johnson I think he's I think he's a decent back he's very fast but this will still be timeshare jd me obviously had a bye week mixed in there he's been a serviceable back now he's gone and and the question the question comes what do you do so he comes back that's going to be week sixteen are you gonNA play him on that first week no right you don't know how are they gonNa Monitor him that's your championship raeside too but it had to be done I involuntarily closed my eyes sometimes you gotta go to a funeral Jason L. felt like I I had my own moment it should speak positively to Alvin Kamara returning this week but he does have the by next week monitor that but ZAC zander could be back with the Detroit lions I expected to add somebody chart has been baffling to say the least Dante Pettis former second round pick seemed like a budding superstar at the end of last season then you had this off season so he wants running back twelve Bernie Mac nine running back five running back sixteen this past week and then the question becomes tie John We talked about him he was the big wave pickup besides chase edmunds the job for the rest of the season if someone else comes in the forty niners have acquired wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders from the broncos it was a trade of Manny Sanders Plus v carry on the biggest he was my guy I'm not just talking about your belief in carry on Johnson though Jason What are you referring to your your size uh guys that could be back. Cj Anderson who was cut earlier this season by the lions the saints released running back zags enter which this year for a third and fourth round pick manual sanders skyrockets to the number one wide receiver for the San Francisco Forty niners there so if a keeper league you cut him because the first week he can that he even eligible to come back that does not mean he's going to write he might be done for the season John Elway yeah you brought him Peyton manning any GM could've seen that peyton manning should be picked up and be your starting quarterback but other than that it'll be involved you're gonNa say you could end up with when you spend a dollar on smooch is you could end up being the better winner than spending fifty dollars on on Thai Johnson and where he was the guy his body was maturing and then he was garbage who shouldn't probably even be on the team it has been very bizarre what's going on with the forty niners uh-huh Joe Flacco and so yeah I mean I see so John Elway felt personally attacked almost like someone is saying to him Johnson had a lot of people asking that question of like do I do I drop all of my family got eighty eight fab left to a drop it on you know I would recommend if you really need them I'm probably I'm you have put hot steamy turds in at the quarterback position almost like over almost like John Elway doesn't know how to find a quarterback I didn't say that of a longer term issue for debate could be but this was also a situation where the broncos were very upset with Emmanuel Sanders John Elway came out if you're looking for like the rim shot you know like oh I got a joke you're just saying it was fully correct the computer says they analyzed your body weight and that was a solid job week or at least that should be so unless you're in some kind of keeper League Order League where you've gotten I are slot where you could just you know move them there I think you have to cut him about how does your do you remember me upset that he is making too much money I think that's what the real problem was Emmanuel Sanders maybe he's having a little bit harder time honestly Jalen Hurd their other rookie wide receiver struggling to come back but I don't I don't necessarily think this is indicative of a in drake as been try they're trying to get anything for Kenyan drake in Miami is maybe they could trade for another back Oh yeah it's it's not a guarantee that tied Johnson just has oh God fat Joe we got you got me so I saw you looking for more I just a number one however that the running game is so good their defense has been outstanding they're not passing the ball that much when they do it's not going to wide receivers so I'm GonNa call this you would not I would never say that Emmanuel Sanders certainly implied yeah and so he got he got shipped out now the the repercussions of this there's there's two teams here that have a big change obviously you can say goodbye to all the other wide receiver options in San Francisco Yeah I agree with that yeah so in just real quick the Hamilton will now take over the Emmanuel Sanders role and he is no Emmanuel Sanders yet but that that's his bill that's as federal move what Emmanuel Sanders is still what the expectation is I wouldn't trade for him I wouldn't trade him away he he's the same on the other side so to me this is clear he's dead who does bet it's like yeah he's gone you know you wonder about some of the injuries to depot Samuel Ceiling move for manual sanders is it higher is this a lateral move how you feeling about him if you have him the more that my initial reaction was that it's Hamilton is an excellent route runner he is one of the players that Matt Harmon who works at Yahoo he worked with us in our ultimate draft kit he has the methodology okay this is cordless on his time he just wasn't ready it sure seems like he's ready now it seems like he can take on the defenses best guy and he's God though for the Broncos I think this is good news for Portland Sutton everybody can see that in the sense that he's now the clear cut one he was he the one assessor perception seeing how good route runner a player actually is and day Sean Hamilton much like Chris Godwin who if you're following the one B he seems ready this year Oh whereas last year you were hoping it happened when would manual sanders went down to the injury you thought always GonNa win but he's capable now in the second year that being said that will be a little bit harder for him maybe the first guys been on sanders is going to roll over but day uh-huh Paxton Lynch but he's good Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer says Adam feeling is quote improving fast and now has a chance to play one of the players he really liked because he was such a refined tactician great route runner we'll see if that translates into fantasy value as he tries to take over for Manual Sanders John It's a ceiling move that is raised good for him because he goes to Ah possibly better quarterback but assist them couch Shane Hinson but you could tell that Adam feeling was hurt all accounts had missing this week short week game on Thursday apparently trending towards playing if you have Adam themes I was talking to you about this when he was like talking to people he's like you know what the problem is just watch film we promise it's Joe FLACCO and well on Thursday after what looked like he went down like a sack of potatoes I'm talking about Adam feeling on when he caught that touchdown pass the the catch was amazing based in the US Visit Z. O. R. O. dot com slash footballers to sign up for Z mail and get fifteen percent off your first or has scoreless looking for one he tried to trade for Odell Beckham tried to trade for Antonio Brown he drafted a couple what he wants to get his more involved and now he's got a guy that's very capable of always told me that Joe flacco is really good that's what I've heard John John is like this this guy can throw the ball he's real tall he's super bowl throw the ball real fall kirk cousins was one afterwards I realized there's a primetime game isn't so but it's a prime time Harman was the one telling us you need to get Chris God when this is back going into his reverses year and so just having said that Dejean I am revenge gained it is so you've got maybe those just washes to other narratives yeah they cancel look it's it's one of those situations when you've got a guy like and Jason are you starting him man that that's a that's a tough start so I had said yesterday you know my my streamer we a bunch of streaming options the order back they're all doing I didn't say joe he didn't say Joe Flacco no but you're you're healing at Lee said Joe Flack but he did not use those words not sane is Joe Joe Flacco I'm feeling if he's out there he might be your best option right because he was drafted as a one or as a two at the worst he's been performing very well and so I think there's a situation on your roster where you have to if I've got the luxury if I've got a bunch of good guys in that tier for my last you know wide receiver bring four yes user celebrations yes that makes those celebration payoffs so much better because I'm ready I'm proud and here's here's the best part him to play on the short week against Minnesota I wouldn't play him no but I I actually I believe him says he's going to play I understand that Adrian Peterson has Wolverine Blood and can heal this would be a ridiculous situation for dad waiver wire players were added end so facto players were dropped go look who was dropped because often you'll find a plan that waiver wire L. Mary touchdowns or the defensive stops or super bowl win it's waiver wire pickups I'll celebrate the drop you know what else I celebrate I got my kids right see here's the thing you got games coming up this Sunday right we know this we're already prepared but do you have Pepsi Oh that's who into the Washington running backs Chris Thompson remained sideline on Tuesday Adrian Peterson with his grade one and grade to high and low ankle sprains against Alvin Ridley versus Seattle. No I don't think Matt Matt Ryan will be there so for those reasons I'm out ooh sharks thank Terry maclaurin and Soda Yeah I mean Look Game Xavier Rhodes a Pepsi in order to celebrate with a Pepsi and here's the crazy thing whenever I go out and I get snacks four-game like I'm GonNa go out there's something about the process of preparing he's here so if you're talking about Adam feeling or DJ Chart I would go J. Chart Okay situation he's got a good match and go wait what you know what Mike in just a few minutes our waiver will run you WanNa know what I'm going to be doing I'm GonNa be celebrate it seems that you're GonNa play yes I believe that he will put himself out there and play but I don't know how well a hobbled ap against Minnesota be it certainly ruins the win the small those small would like I need to pass this boat and I gotta deal with Wendell small one if Peterson Oh no I lost my team lost you might not be celebrating but I'm GonNa make it okay ah his is a tough match-up so we've been told for years and it used to be very infer whatever I got and I'm going to be celebrating with a Pepsi my man 'cause Pepsi takes all NFL celebrations to the next level celebrate those waiver wire victories it's not just down I'm fine with but I'm not going to you know Calvin really without his quarterback I'm not gonNA be like okay I'm so afraid of him dealing if he plays that I would that I would pin it that far speed employees it hurts that are already covered the zags Inonu's Aj Green Unlikely to play and reminder it's Wednesday drop it like it's hot go check of still cracking it open up and say well at least I've got you betsy you celebrate the fact that you were ready to celebrate right you celebrate good time all right Pepsi August Norman we talked about how cornerbacks fall off a cliff and I'm not sure there's AP roads is the same guy that he's been so I would go terry maclaurin so yeah I guess a tear official sponsor of the NFL reminds you always be celebrating all right let's get into this mid Season Review Jason Japan all Craig Mc absolutely all celebrate do high kicks in the kitchen I got my kids to school on time Oh give me a Pepsi Center where's my drop Mike do didn't have time okay. Well guess what Glenn we get a live drop right here right now from Mike's Mouth stand right now the top quarterbacks Russell Wilson Lamar Jackson Shawn Watson Patrick Mahomes Dak Prescott Matt Ryan Aaron Rodgers Carson Win let's hear this midseason review go parenthood auto bid season review this Kyla Murray and kirk cousins that rounds out the top ten late round quarterback is doing all right yet again five the top twelve quarterbacks in in the top twelve were drafted outside of the top twelve in your draft Dak Prescott who's been outstanding being a Matthew Stafford is top twelve guy right now. Lamar Jackson was the quarterback fourteen at your draft and he's the quarterback too so leagues in in more of the leagues that our listeners probably play going in the third or fourth round he's been a disappointment prior to the injury I would say he's been okay he's definitely been a disappointment prior to being injured he was the quarterback five that's not to say he was bad he didn't even have a single game outside of the yeah well I mean look if I'm going to choose those two guys but one of those guys gives me an extra Leonard Fournette or Aaron Jones the late round drafting is great and obviously if you look at those first few draft picks Patrick Mahomes the number one guy going as early as the first run twelve that's what I mean he's been okay because would you rather have gone with that that I'm throwing out the Denver Game quarterback twenty four I'm throwing that out here's injured is in the third round or Josh Jacobs Yeah I'm GonNa Take Shawn Watson where I wasn't taking Pat Mahomes in the third round and I've got one of those other pieces now obviously listen to Sean Watson has to number one weeks but does Shawn Watson also has three weeks outside of the top twelve and they were not very far apart in drafts that's fine so before that he has always been a top twelve quarterback three straight games to start the season a top five would you rather have done that or to Sean went nuclear this last week which is fantastic welcome back Aaron Rodgers we hope but a lot of those higher drafted guys have been disappointing for what you thought you were giving Tom Brady has snuck his way back in I like many in the fantasy community left Tom Brady for dead and he is proving me to be wrong Jason someone in the top twelve that you think will finish outside of the top twelve for example last year your favorite quarterback of all time the infant that third round draft Devante Freeman. I mean it's always you know are you gonNA drive you're saying that if if you look Patrick Mahomes as a disappointment when good man -sition or something something like that look the best injure of all time let's take a look at where we a quarterback three also the actual quarterback three in average opposition Aaron Rodgers I think everyone would say he's been a discount has been very disappointing he I who's the outlier who's the spy I think the espionage plan against the top twelve quarterbacks yeah if I had to pick one of these guys nfl just taking fantasy out of it. The Cleveland Browns with their hype in the hope for Baker Mayfield has been it sucks what hurts hurts my heart time Mr Bisky was the QB six three week seven disgusting Bosley on the heels of that was the five or six touchdown game against the very unproven on a poorly run franchise it's very difficult to just say yes what we all hope happens which is he user yeah I mean it's look Tom Brady if you look at the last several years he's I wonder what these forty year old out not with injuries or not a Mahomes or Matt Ryan Who Might Missile Bunch Games Tom Brady it's Tom Brady for me as well Tom One hundred percent he is the biggest bust so far this year you know we've talked about this before how how scary it felt that we had not yet seen and he's he's been bad and here's the thing this week the Patriot goodness I mean between those two guys I would rather hear I'd rather have Dak Prescott Okay like you know when we say late round that's not pushing from Pat Mahomes to to the you know I feel bad for what bakers about to get yeah you're probably right at the running back position Christian McCaffrey Dalvin Cook Half Ryobi there so yeah I mean I think he does I think you know when I look at the guys who could compete or course bell cow back who's been phenomenal in the second round those you know those are the guys that help you win a championship and he's been love it look I I'm on I'm on team Baker but I'm going to extend that Baker Mayfield has been the biggest disappointment in the right well you might say he'll he might be seeing ghosts honestly with that offense line with that offensive line for the browns Vince for fantasy football quarterbacks he was drafted as the quarterback four currently sitting at Qb six only one performance in the top twenty and you know Kenny bills went to who Andy Andy you know changes the browns franchise in and makes them a super bowl contender that was that was a lot of hope a lot of a lot of belief oh my goodness Andy Holloway yes has just dropped a fifty five on our boy Kenny bills on the body or or whatnot it's also not going to be the same cake schedule that the Patriots have had so uber consistent he is literally never had a week the entire season where he's not a top twenty back and only twice has not been a top twelve back see finished top three aw you've had it goods for too long superbowl res we'll get all my mvp trophies yeah well I doubt your top twelve the second half of the year yeah take that I think Zeke gets back up there I don't know if Saquon can come all the way back but that's rough Christmas you're in the third and Shawn Watson was often going in the back of the fourth through the fifth I know there's a little bit of draft equity disparity Watson's ADP was the fifth it was sick was a sexist six but then from week on he was the quarterback twenty one he was absolutely useless for fantasy football who do you think has the highest all of the fallen out so I expect Zeke Dalvin Cook and Christian McCaffrey to be the top three if saquon could go ridiculous maybe he could get there for eighty five dollars to me that's an eighty five percent that's a fab drop I I don't know who did it I don't know how badly they needed him the bigger story though Jason Kenney Bill O. Went for control F. Command F. in my case and I I search the word bills but that is not his name right back at it running back number five Jason My hot fire magma streaming from my mouth take in this is a great moment of my life here's my favorite part so you know I'm in my browser I'm looking up this auction report and so I have to take a quick aside here Jason often people ask about our league of record how things are going the waivers ran tie Johnson elva gordon came back running back seventeen against Denver then he had the down week forty two against Pittsburgh where it was just tough sledding but then our number three and a half points scoring format he has been sensational even since not will because he's got a massive lead already if you look at you look at Chris Carson right now he is the running back eleven at one hundred the second yeah some I sometimes in the third I mean you rarely usually a second round pick but you're getting a an absolute tip top I forgot we had that plant man plant man flow Brady Tom Brady if you remember good for you. Baker Mayfield has been by far the biggest disappoint August in our bold predictions show I said Austin equil- finish as a running back one will austin heckler finishes a running back one I Austin Echo those are your top three running banks crushing it one of these things is not like the others first before we talk about actor beat I don't think for net has enough touchdown to come up I don't think Chubb Season Gets Batter after the return of Kareem Hunt have him lead our first name on our bus list and the ultimate draft right there's like oh my gosh we expect this oh no but you had a guy that pass catching work and you know some game scripts aren't going to be great for him so I think you're going to see a few more outright busts the way that you had in weeks touchdown Aaron Jones Zeke Nick Chubb Leonard Fournette David Johnson Mark Ingram Derrick Henry they ran out the top ten yes that means of the season Ecuador is what he was last year which is a I think he's an improved version of that short he is an improved version. They've found him more necessary and Melvin Gordon just looks like trash and so yeah I I think going forward he's a a high end rb to because the six but you see that with most backs but not mo- most backs don't give you the option of having ten receptions for one hundred receiving yards and unlikely it's going to be an injury situation because of running back David Johnson seems scary for that but if I were to take the the injuries away and we seem see we don't need to talk about US drafted as the one or the two and he is the one and he is right Dewan but Alvin Cook could very well be the stats on the season for the ultimate draft kit I thought he he's going to be sharing some time with Gus Edwards obviously than the running back one for his team is his quarterback the fantasy MVP for the Patriots like take them out bright the fancy MVP of the beginning part of this season Galvin Cook was a guy where you could draft him back but the schedule for the ravens those first three weeks were unbelievable I mean Miami Arizona Kansas you did not hear the name Alvin Kamara Super Mario sits at running back twelve and Chris Carson is sandwiched in between he is the running back eleven who in the top ten or the top city where he was you know the runningback seven the running back one I think that gave him a nice cushion look at the last four weeks he's been the rb who does not finish there I would say Mark Ingram he's a guy that I was I was interesting lukewarm on coming into the season as you know when quarterbacks and when we saw this a little bit with drew brees before is like as the season goes along they tend to get a little worse and I don't know if that's stress twelve if you want Jason Who's there that will not be there in the top twelve that will not be there at the end of the year is you know more disappointments James Connor my guy he has been pretty disappointing has been very up and down I'm GonNa take the past I think you're going to be disappointed in while he got off to a hot start with those first few weeks I expect him to come back to Earth and be more of a of a high end RV if he's significantly better he's probably rb one so he's not say Joe Mixing now there's a real bust there's an absolute if you want some I can't imagine you have someone as good as sealed so you're definitely going to have to go tear down so are you willing to go the tear down well let's let's give some

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The Mighty Titans

"Crude oil is crude natural gas is pure. That's why Pennzoil's based. Oil is made from natural gas not crowed gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for aware test using SA Five W. Thirty. Derrick out there embarrassing people. Yeah. I just said Golly I wasn't planning on that but it just came out of my mouth. All right here we are on NFL live. Glad to see you with US Dinner Lafayette Keyshawn. Johnson here we know a thing or two about being embarrassed on national TV more on that a little bit later on we're keeping our eye on Levy Bell and so much more today, and we are going to begin with Marcus fears, Adam Schefter but specifically Adam schefter in the latest news around the League let's start with Chandler Joseph. Lord shook the out of the cardinals coach, Clip Kingsbury, the channel Jones will undergo season ending biceps surgery. That's a blood. Arizona's pass rush. Not GonNa have him the rest of the season. He was arguably their best defensive player of the top defensive players Phil and they're now out without Jerry Jones, and the Patriots are back at their facility today working out getting ready for Sunday's game against the Denver Broncos big natural for them and it looks like at this point Cam Newton according to field yates is on track to return to practice tomorrow. As well with the premium on track play Sunday against the Denver Broncos in Novi Gordon the broncos running back was arrested for Du. The broncos let them come in. He did go to meetings he did not practice Vic Fangio the broncos coach said, he would talk later this week about whether Melvin Gordon would be disciplined include you'll leak take action and at the same practice drew lock was back practicing full participants or he is on track to play against Cam Newton on Sunday and also Sam darnold out Joe flack starts for the jets great shefty. You're with us all show long. Let's get the Tuesday night football was a lot of fun bills and titans taking each other on and the titans burly practice they had like to total practices and sixteen days without playing dinner lofty might not have mattered. Here's Ryan Tannehill getting ready to go and I drive the game titans from the sixteen. He gets it to AJ Brown off the turn over they put AJ Brown extended. He goes double move is back to the quarterback. Great timing ten hill early touchdown for the Titan top to a hot. Start, they are up seven nothing second quarter we're tied at seven titans on the one second goal. So of course, they're going to get it to Derrick Henry almost scorn this one though this is about the offensive line this offensive line just creating massive hole Derrick Henry, good vision easy touchdown for the run game heightened go up by seven, and then less than thirty seconds to play in the half could score again we'll, of course, they could tannahill easy touchdown red zone quarterback in football right now do not do that to your knee. Thank God. This is something he does really well, make good decisions uses athleticism whatever decision not athletic on the celebration but anyway, third quarter under two minutes to go there in the third quarter and Cana Hill to John Smith John Smith out there as a wide receiver types split one step slant. Does good touchdown for Tennessee Titans win big forty, two to sixteen and Tannehill carrying over from a successful theme from twenty nineteen. He became just the third qb to ever boast a completion percentage of over seventy percent both overall and in the red zone, he joined the company of drew brees and our friend Steve Young and last night. Tina help fight for five for three touchdowns. In the red zone. You mentioned a Dan bringing in season numbers to fourteen eighteen, nine touchdowns and no picks that's insane and very efficient. So he on this team now four no more impressive. They're now eleven. In three in the regular season since Tannehill became the starter why can't they have been so successful with him under center where's the recipe is with migration wants to do is run the football effective dare camry not allow him to turn the football over you see in the red zone he doesn't turn the football that's a recipe. Get the ball to AJ Brown, make sure that you doing those things and he's been very efficient at doing twenty one to twenty eight barely two hundred yards, three touchdowns in the air last night one on the ground with a plunge, you can win a championship. Everybody likes to Patrick Mahomes, high flying. Don't want all over the lot. But if you look back in the history of this NFL defense running ball and super bowl a few big throws here near but you don't win super bowls throwing for five hundred yards in a game Tom Brady didn't come back against the Atlanta Falcons but for the most part that that does not happen the reason this offense clicking. So while those were Ryan. How's the top ten quarterback? I mean he's a top ten quarterback since he became start playing MVP level football in. It's a perfect example of like we scheme sometimes and we talked player traits sometimes well, this is the perfect marriage Ryan Tannehill, a great ball fake and quarterback on the move throwing too wide receivers crossing the field and the tight windows and their scheme is hardball play action wide, receivers that are good enough to make contested. In those play action windows and everybody on their offense has confidence. That's why they're offense is so good right now, they are passed I to score. Runs second to win football team and the coaches and the players are the perfect fit for it. Tennessee's oftens outstanding. It Dana Hills said to they might have been motivated by some of the chatter around the League about them certainly dealing with the covert issues there. But let's get to the other side of the ball here markets. It seemed like the titans defense had that bills a lion confused all night long. What did you see out of them? Ails. Thank. God. We finally get to some defense. Talking about the own, not want to get the boy, how someone his Inner Bill Belichick last night against Josh Allen in this offense, he used their protection against them. He created a pressure look meaning you either bring five or six more than off into black and block but he didn't do that. He just used their protection against them in disguise it as a pressure variable on fire last night and I I usually watch the games have fun doing it. But from a technical aspect, this is what you see from defensive coordinators a lot of the time when they have a lot of success defensively market, you're spot on and even when they did it bring pressure defensively. Josh Allen Play patient quarterback, and let's see if he could do it for four quarters and I thought the first drive of the third quarter is a perfect example that last night, he could not I remember in two thousand eleven I was getting ready to play against the New England patriots. Peyton manning was with us into coats and he kept saying you gotTa Out Grind Bill Belichick Out, grind him and that's exactly what variable challenge Josh. Allen the do will you? Out Grind our defense and he didn't it's gotta be learning example for him but Marcus is spot on. That was a bill belichick type of defensive performance from the titans and makes sense because Rabaul certainly from that Belichick coaching tree and people get hired all the time because of that. But it really looks like what rebels doing is coming to fruition the titans get their first win against a four no or better team since the panthers. Week. Seven. Two thousand three. On Monday night football teams all sitting at three and two in the NFC south the bucks saints and Tampa's you see there marcus spirits give me a reason. The Saints Will Win this division. Is because of their offense listen drew brees has been really really good. We talked about his arm strength, but he's still finding ways to put at least thirty points on the board dig. Thinking Dunkin, they'd taken his opportunities when they come like the past Jared Cook Using Alvin Kamara. But my concern is defense. If anything is going to hold them back the secondary for the saints has to get better in order for this team to be a contender, keep finish the sentence the bucks win the division because Tom Brady and Todd Bowles at Tom Brady somehow could continue to make. Magic, then I think that when you look at them while for instance, they got a lot of weapons whether it's Mike is eventually they get guy went back they won't have OJ Hollywood in somehow resurgence of bronchoscopy with todd. Bowles and that defense adding pressure doing things like that creating turnover was something he's known for, and also the saints gotTa take a little bit of step back out of the Panthers Dan Teddy Bridgewater in this job often offense the best versions ever seen this new teddy bridgewater and the reason there are three two is a big part to his play. Yet thirty one year old offensive coordinator. Joe. Brady has implemented priests out motion on forty, two percent of Carolina's place finding a lot of success with it. They're registering a league leading setting yards per play when using most of you told us about the bad heart. So the most by any since we started tracking metric four seasons ago Dan is so excited about the prisoner motion. How about the AFC south guys in Indianapolis? It's been a tough season for Philip rivers he's thrown five. Interceptions and trails only Daniel Jones, and Sam Darnold for the worst red zone Qbr in the league and that all coming despite the averaging the fourth best starting field position in the week. So it's not like they're not giving him a good chance to have success but Dan is it time for the colts to make a change keep in mind you Kobe percent is their backup there it's time. It's time for the to make a change because the only thing that's going to keep. This football team out of the playoffs is turnovers and we don't have to just focus on this year when it comes to Philip rivers because my biggest concern is the turnovers that are non panic situations like other times the quarterback in the NFL turn the ball over because we're panicking pressure or whatnot but Phil, ververs is doing it without panic and again, this is not a five-game sample going back to the start of last year. Phil purposes third in the NFL and turnovers behind. Daniel Jones and James Winston and the worst one is he second in the NFL when it comes to interceptions in his own territory since last year behind Jameis, Winston not only is he hurting his team turnovers he's hurting his team in his own territory with turnovers. This is not going to change. This is who Philip is right now. Unfortunately, he's hall of Famer, but he can't be the starting quarterback of the coach anymore because he's hurting their team that's one thing you can't do. One hundred percent agree with you Dan. We talked about Jacoby Bruce said, and how will he was plan before the injury last year but I believe as well. It gives you an another element to the team and Philip rivers was brought into steady the ship and basically make those roles that you just showed in order to pick up first downs. This is a running football team based on their often to blame being good and make splash plays with ty guys on the outside. But when you look at what Philip Rivers doing to your point, he's taken away everything they brought him in to do. So now you implement Jacoby. In this offense who also gives you a little bit more athleticism as we see that start the play itself out in the NFL as well. I, think they're in better hands. Would you go Brusett I thought he played well last year in his spots in the moments they gave him a contract in order to reassure him that he was the guy now. Give him a shot to take to see where it can possibly go Philip rivers. Time is certainly up in Indianapolis and I understand frank right has a relationship with him from San Diego Charger days there's no question about it. He helped Philip make some money, twenty, five million dollars. But this is what I would say frank who played with me the date myself. Frank play would be Dan in the New York jets and great guide. It's time for him to go over to Philip. Say Look I'M GONNA give way to Jacoby perset. I. Want you to stay loose. You know our coaches tell you just stay ready because we're going to need you at some point give him that message allowed to Kobe. To take over a football team that has a chance an opportunity because of the Defense Philip Rivers Pick sydell waiting to happen why squander your opportunity right now in this division messing around with a guy that simply just can't do it anymore yeah. You know one of the things that we usually do here on this show is if you say, San, Diego, chargers you gotta do push ups but back then they Were the San Diego chargers. So I'M GONNA. Let you get off on that and all right one thing to, and you mentioned that the turnovers could be the reason why this team loses you talked about a to reset has thrown an interception on just one point three percent of his pass attempts for rivers. It's nearly triple that guys and that mark is three point four percent over the last couple of seasons. An enormous AFC north clash coming your way Sunday browns versus steelers the browns inter with a formidable pass defense as their six interceptions trail only colts seahawks for the League lead. But though face rookie chase playful who earned AFC offensive player of the week honors after tying a rookie record with four touchdowns on Sunday tea was dynamic. Our football power index favors the home team the steelers in this one with a fifty seven. percent chance to win as both need a win to keep up with the division rivals in Baltimore. So we mentioned chase playful Dan key klay full has emerged seemingly as V number one receiver for big, Ben Well, you can't be a number one receiver unless you can run routes and chase clean pools kind of put that on display and when you look at him in College Notre Dame's offense wasn't quite what Pittsburgh steelers. Passing game is but you got a veteran hall of fame quarterback throwing you the football you're going to run the right rouse. There's no question about it. The Pittsburgh steelers long history wire receiver. So I was never worried about his production in Pittsburgh despite having Juju near eleven's a playmaker I love a guys and when you think about Juju Smith Schuster, it's important to note he missed practice today with a knee injury so. You gotta think you'll be seeing a whole ton of clay pool against the browns. Let's get back to last night some really fun moments in this one of course, the titans with a big win over the buffalo bills in Josh Allen, and there were some great plays. Marcus. Spears the WE WANNA get you all up to date on. So let's start with this one Malcolm Butler interception and he gets a little freaky with it. Yeah listen he spends out of a tackle about colby easily they think down everybody relaxes then Malcolm Butler takes off again now missing. Out Josh Allen as well for getting them on the ground but this was a tremendous job keeping his feet and returning that ball getting the Tennessee titans in their own territory. Okay. That's one. Made US cringe a little bit markets you walk us through the whole thing. Okay. Celebrations could be catastrophic ten. He'll does a tremendous job because the buffalo bills lost contain and then here he hyper extended his knee. Thank goodness for sixteen days all with fresh legs and he survived that catastrophic landing. We all take a deep breath and he was okay and then how `bout this Derrick Henry with a stiff arm I keep telling these people own in these football games. You cannot get in this club. If you eighteen years old, you must be twenty one we sail choice beverages and Josh. Norman. Obviously thought he was old enough to go through the front door and Derrick Henry was the bouncing. Funny. About it is every time he does that it just looks like he was kind of flipping off a flyer or something like it doesn't even look like it's that hard for him to do. You guys think it's. Look. I don't want to be in that position. If I'm Josh Norman that's for sure and you gotTa know what you running up on he sometimes it got to be a business decision shop his legs down man we run up on that do like that hugh h try. Poor Josh. He's going to be on alert. Is. In Josh Take, some solace. Site to do something that you regret on national television, it'll go away. Takes about ten years, ten years or so kill. We're back on NFL live in this from the ESPN NFL twitter account today follow him by the way who is your pick for MVP so far? This is not a QB. So naturally Dan Orlovsky is very active on twitter chimes then he just says twelve. So we're a little confused because it's supposed to be not a quarterback, the quarterback, Dan, it said not quarterback. So did you mean Alan Robinson Van Jefferson although I do like Van Jefferson no the twelve is Fran Rogers when I did not see the non quarterback part of that so. All right. Well, anyway now we're GONNA ask you a little more about this because we do want to get to your actual mvp of the season so far that is not a quarterback and this time you're not to be confused about what the question is. Alvin Kamara, this guy leads the NFL. In, yards from scrimmage and touchdown. He's got three hundred, fifty three yards out of the backfield as a pass catcher. Check this out. He averages more yards receiving a game than tyreek Hill. He's done all without Michael Thomas he's an outstanding playmaker for them. He's as good a pass catching. You know what? He's as good. A wide receiver that we have in the NFL right now that lines up in the backfield blue. y'All quit playing somebody had to say, then we'd not just watch this man destroyed. By himself he did not care that Alex Smith was supposed to have a great return with a W, Aaron Donald Ladies, and Gentlemen. He arguably is the best player in the NFL let alone a non qb MVP the presser today he is a certain people and the way he changes game plans put him sternly in the conversation no question mark he's in conversation which you can't a conversation without having myles Garrett and and five games vk body fifteen tackles solos, the edge as a defensive player. Of a death and his team is one because you had a compensation without, add him to the mix I love guy. So we'll see what ends up being in this conversation but then again, we all know that Dan Roloff, she's going to campaign for a quarterback to win it. All right. Some big news happened yesterday with the jets releasing Levian Bells. He now looking for a new opportunity and certainly will be really interesting to see who picks him up more on that momentarily. But how about this since the start of last season, there have been one hundred and forty different players that have recorded a twenty yard rush bell, not one of them. A hundred and forty guys have done it. He hasn't he's logged two hundred seventy street. Russia's without a twenty yard gain. That's the fifth longest streak over the last ten seasons according to Elias and to be fair the jets handed bell just eighty six outside Russia's the fewest among any back with at least two hundred carries in that spans of could have to do without him gays and that jets offense. Here's what Levy on Bell tweeted after this news came out said got a lot to prove I'm ready to go. So we bring back Adam schefter into this conversation who start their Adam, what's the market look like for Bell at this point? First and foremost floor nobody made a last ditch effort to trade for Levy on bill before the jets officially released him at four o'clock today the last conversations for a trade that the jets had with the Miami Dolphins were with the the Las Vegas Raiders the new, England, Patriots, they had conversations with those teams. The issues nobody was willing to take on levy on builds contract at this time, and so the jets me decision to move on from Levy on bell. Now keep in mind he is scheduled to make this year seven more million dollars, jets Owen that money. So really he's not going to. Get more money from a team. It's a question of where he wants to go to click that money whether their new team pays him one million dollars, two, million dollars whatever it may be. It's counted against the jet seven million dollars. So the expectation is he'd sent a one year deal for the veteran minimum with the team of his choosing where he wants to go where he can be productive where he can win where he can revitalize a career so that he could become a free agent again in the off season of covert this winter when the market for free agents is expected to be A. Bit depressed because the salary cap is going down yeah. No those are all really good points I mean as you're saying it, of course, living on Bella has ties to the steelers wonder about that Dan give us a team that you think though makes a Lotta sense for bell. A guy that we still believe on this show still has something in the tank Timothy buccaneers like if you look at all the really good offenses in the NFL or most of them, they got pass catching backs I've been saying for weeks. The Bucks are missing a pass catching. I'm not talking about a back that can be. A part of your check down and you can throw it to him. That's something four net can do don't tell me Ronald Jones that's not the answer. They need a guy that you can utilize a piece. They've got a standard of expectation right now the cultures in place there are contending playoff football team Tom Brady is that is something that he's notorious to be comfortable with I don't think bring Levy on bells at running back I. Think you bring Levy on bellows a piece I got eleven pieces I'm GonNa use him as a piece one time I'd flex him out ten to twelve times a game. Matchups, and so I think Tampa Bay's a perfect fit. CHICAGO'S GOOD CLEVELAND. Pittsburgh all that. If I'm the bucks I'm making a call, well, you could be the books but I, think he's hitting Vegas. That's just me and no one told me that. But Adam just said that they had some rumblings going on when you think about Jon Gruden, you think about. The offense running backs, he has Jacobs's there. There's no question about it, but you always want to wants not good enough and I go back to win codes gruden hair ricky watters when he's the office coordinator in Philadelphia or look at Charlie Goerner, he had an awfully very similar patient running backs catch the ball out of the backfield point and he likes toys. Coach. GRUDEN wants stick chess there with a nice toy. Never have enough I mean they drafted Henry Rugs. We thought a lot of that was about speed, but he's done even more with him. Great call there. What do you think mark is a destination potentially for Levy on bell and how you think you've fair there. Arizona cardinals, and I think he would farewells listen. They are in a position now where they hadn't got the production that they WANNA get out of Kenyan drake but I don't think that this offense. Heavy run century. So he goes a lot with what they did acquiring Hopkins. What College Murray can do, and now you add lady on bail who continue to spread the feel found one on one match ups and get some production out of the backfield and another thing like I'm not judging Lamy on bail. What just happened in New York. DAMMIT everybody should be trying to get out of. Everybody should be trying to get a tray or be released or the cut. So they can go somewhere else and have success in this league. Because right now, we all know what the jets are. Right? We looking at Sam Darnold right now and people questioning can really play football well, hell we had the same questions about any when he was in Miami and Dan just America, he and the MVP conversation. So we all know what the situation is with the. New York jets lady on bail still got some Jews, left in them and I think he needs to be with a team with other weapons. So he can exploit people the way he did when he was in Pittsburgh with all those whip. Yeah you mentioned Sam Darnold and Sheffi reported earlier he's out this Sunday and that means that we'll see flacco start in his place shefty I want you to answer this question where do you think we'll see bell go. Well I think there's a lot of places you could go. I think he's GonNa WanNa go to a winning franchise I. think that's the important part here a place where he thinks he's got a chance to win some games this year compete for a super bowl thing spent the last two years in New York with the jets and he wants to go win some games here that's something he hasn't done a lot the last two years so I don't know where it will be, but it will be with the team i. believe that has a chance to make a playoff run this season. Yeah it's. Important to clarify as you brought up shefty, this is up to bell. Where does he want to go which considering how his career is gone over these past few years you would think that that's might be kind of fun for him to be able to make that decision. I. Saw Shefty work in the thumbs on the phone there. You've got some news about the Patriots tell us. It's now officially sent earlier that Field Yates reported that Cam Newton was expected back at practice on Thursday and the Patriots officially have. Cam Newton Author Reserve covid nineteen lists, which means he will be at practice tomorrow and he is on track to start Sunday against drew lock and the Denver Broncos grew back at practices. Well, great stuff from everybody here. So many good games to talk about. You could make a case that Aaron Rodgers against the bucks could be one of the Games of the year. We'll see how it ends up playing out but either way this bucks defense preparing for Rogers never an easy task they've been good at times although not as consistent as maybe they would want to be but here's arriens on stopping Rogers. He's playing at a really high level One thing you have to get mess for sure and you can't play scared and knowing that the ball's going up back shoulder throws. He's the best there is. So I, you got cover your guys got to do a great job. I think the more so is the improvisational plays when he gets out of there and that's when he's really as best. I think the way they say it is Aaron Rodgers in his bag this year it seems like he totally is everything's working for him and he's feeling it. So Dan does areas have the right game plan here? Just go after Aaron Rodgers is what he's saying no no, you can't. You're not going to be able to two reasons one, they got best offensive line of Football. This is the best pass protecting offensive line on line. You could blitz all you want it's a bad decision and then to the packers really have become the warriors when it comes to football like everything is either three pointer or. Have, intermediate passing so like no quarterback in the NFL gets the ball out quicker at the line of scrimmage than Rogers. The best way to beat the pressure is to get the ball out quickly at the line of scrimmage. So that would be a terrible decision you gotta understand when you decide to blitz quarterbacks that your secondary has less people in coverage. So Rogers going to do two things he's going to see pressuring okay. Ball's going out to the. Perimeter right now that means you gotta tackle well in space or we're going to take our shots downfield and try to max-protect Tampa Bay buccaneers for as good of a defense they are their secondary is not good enough to do that, and so I think it's more keep the ball in front of tackle really well and space more than let's go after the quarterback because if you do that, this will be a blow out, but it all comes down to. The top bulls and what scheme he puts together from a defense standpoint you take away Davante, Adams whether you double him or you single him up and you double somebody else which you take him out of the game you make Aaron Rodgers. Beat you with other guys take an Jones out bolting run, and in the past game, you put the pressure on him. So when you look at that, they've been able to do that in the past with certain teams. That they played and I believe that Todd Bowles. has recipe to make Aaron Rodgers. Not necessarily look different was somewhat different than what he's looked like over the last several weeks yet Davante Adams did practice on Monday. He's been questionable dealing with an injury but if he comes back, they would finally add that weapon back although it hadn't bothered him marcus what do you think the bucks did lose Vita via to a broken ankle? How significant is that for them? Very Significant Lor listen any quarterback will tell you pressure up the middle of the pocket is their biggest nemesis and Vida was one of the best at pushing the pocket. We're not talking about the big Fella Gidon Saks although he did against the Chicago bears, he gives you an immediate stop from a quarterback step enough. So we can't stress to you how important it is for Shag buried and Jason Pierre Paul and when they bring Devon White Labonte David on blitzes people having to pay attention, and usually he's playing that shade technique as a nose tackle, which is the guy lined up right by the Center They have to double him impasse protection and Vida has usually beaten the double teams enough to put pressure in the pocket. So it's a huge loss for the Tampa Bay buccaneers and I wanna go back to something we've talked about in the pre production mean before the show. Then if I'm hearing correctly as far as the blue I hope that's not what Bruce Aries is talking about as I've thought about this in my wheel star spinning because we were talking about applying pressure with five. What I'm hoping he's talking about is the pass rush generation from the guys that are supposed to rush to pass the SHAG. Pierpont every once in a while bring Labonte David and Debbie White, they are going to need all hands on deck in the secondary to defend against Air Raja's I'm hoping he talking about his pass rushers being able to apply that pressure markets. This makes me think of remember when the Ravens were going to play against the chiefs and you're like you gotta rush for you gotTa rush four and I came back to you and said, but that's GonNa Change who they are like the books are not a rush for football team. They're five guys in the line of scrimmage, our front seven. It's going to be a part of the blitz package. So your point is valid, but that means they have to only become something that they haven't been all year section interesting back with that guy, he knew on nfl live right now this from Rod Democracy are packers reporter saying I don't care if it's nate Peterman or Tom Brady, devante atoms on Rogers versus Brady matchup. So he's talking about the wide receiver angle in all of this let's get Adam schefter back in here, Adam? Some wide receiver questions for both of these teams what is the latest with Davante Adams and Chris Godwin. They both missed the last two games both with hamstring injuries and Davante Adams Laura was back at practice on Monday there was a real feeling he was going to play in the Monday night football game against Atlanta right before the packers by week but the packers doctors and training Steph him out of that game which obviously upset he apologized for tweeting what he did officially ruling himself out he knew he was frustrated because he felt like he was ready to play and it looks like he is on track to play on Sunday against Tom Brady and the buccaneers Adams looks to. Be recovered from a hamstring injury Chris Godwin, returned to work running lightly on the practice field. Tuesday. See if there right now he's also missed the last two games will see how he comes along at the week of practice the packer certainly use him with Gyro Alexander figuring to go up against Mike Evans get anymore production. I have a guy like Chris Kaban who's gotten in some light work already this week apparently, Davante Adams doesn't care who the quarterback on the other side he wants to play as much as possible time for one more thing before we go shefty, go ahead. Phil today they said they're going to name pro bowl players. They're just not going to play a pro bowl. So no pro bowl this year that's out the window gives the lead more flexibility which it certainly craves at this point in time and the super. Bowl that was scheduled to be played in New Orleans in two thousand and twenty four is being pushed back to two thousand and twenty five do Mardi Gras. There's now an opening two thousand, twenty four maybe las. Vegas. Laura. Jenner Jones injury for the cardinals a big deal the cardinals don't have a great defense but it was improving they had some players Patrick, Peterson booder Bak- boot Baker Isaiah Simmons. Now Gender Jones. One of the best passers his knee NFL has gone. This takes a contending team out of the mix. And he has a perfect opportunity to be the next Tanny Hill Ryan Tannehill the Tennessee titans you can cash in buddy you got the opportunity doesn't mean it's going to be the Dallas cowboys, but he could be with thirty one other teams out there just thinking about this woman it for years one, hundred, eighteen, million given a tiny hill. You Got Opportunity put resurgence in that career. Listening every facility and football there's a sign that says exit when you leave in the facility, that's what the jets skill players need to paramount Jamison crowder Sam during the Ale away from Adam Gates in that all bids. If you WANNA see your careers go successfully good luck with that fellows later bell shout out to you man you in a better position now exited hey, guys I got to revisit Dan what is his name Buddha Beta Baker Not Budi, Baker Buddha. GO-TO vacant. Very bizarre. We got gotTA call people out when they do things and you guys call me out what I do him to.

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Best of The Herd: 09/25/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Best of The Herd: 09/25/2019

"Hi It's the heard one. Here's something amazing discover matches all the cash back you earn at the end of your first year automatically dollar for dollar. No no limit on how much you can earn is amazing so amazing that millions of people a year are getting their cashback matched you get the cash back and then even more more cash back to match it discover cash back match. What are you waiting for. Learn more discover dot com slash match. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast be sure to catch US live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox sports radio. NFS One find your local station the hurt Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio. APP by searching heard is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox exports radio. Oh should be our best show of the week. This is the heard wherever you may be in however you may be listening in the Los Angeles. We're on Iheartradio for twenty one. The Legend Stud Muffin Al Michaels the ageless Al Michaels in one hour from now. You're listening on on radio the voice itself great voice to the American Sports of my lifetime joy tanner joining me as well got a green bay packer kind of of green thing going on with this little eagle. It's actually actually you know what bill goes. It's closer to the eagles. I like it a lot and you've got your 1968. Sir fifty-eight Glamorous Hollywood hairstyle I think you can do. I've never never ever met a person who has every day a different look doc. It's she's. She's an amazing hair. Salish both our hair every day and job yeah mine's Gray and floppy. It's great to have a part the show tomorrow night it is it'll be really the best game. This weekend is actually on Fox tomorrow night. Yes it's Carson. wentz Aaron Rodgers their kind of similar guys little bit baggage. We don't know they always get along with teammates. We think they're great but should win little more but I think it's very fascinating with Aaron Rodgers. I don't think this is a huge game for Aaron. Rodgers you know they're undefeated. Feet Aaron could lose its okay. Carson Wentz a very big game but I for for about eight to ten years Aaron Rodgers and I judged this a lot got me to a television and when I wake up on Sunday morning who gets me to a TV set and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady and I said this before Tom's better Erin was more fun to watch than Tom. Brady but I turn on my TV now. Patrick mahomes is more dynamic than Aaron Rodgers. Baker Mayfield is more controversial controversial. Lamar Jackson's more fascinating. Tom Brady wins more and Dak Prescott is more debated Aaron Rodgers in writing the packers. Now don't need him to play great to win. They don't rely on him. Offensively as much they run the football the management it has pushed back a little bit on his condescending occasional arrogance. Even Aaron Rodgers said something a day ago. He knows he's transitioning actioning. It's time for us to do our part on offense moving forward we place them stretch of of really good football teams and at some point you know we can't expect our defense to shut everybody down. There have been but at some point the offense is GonNa have to wake up and when is the last time Aaron Aaron Rodgers said you know the defense is Great. Were not getting it done. It's a new Green Bay Packer Organization you saw all this at the end with Brett Farr and I'm not saying errands retiring a couple of years but I'm not the only person to see this. He was the voice and face of state farm for eight years. Patrick Mahomes now joins him on the commercial. The Cleveland browns controversial Baker Mayfield not Freddie kitchens have been onto national. TV Games were in the transition Asian period Lamar's more fascinating Patrick's more dynamic bakers more controversial Dax more debated and Tom wins more and statistically typically drew brees is better. That's not a knock but this past weekend. When I got up in Sunday morning I wanted to watch Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes uh-huh I did and then I turned on Tyler Murray and Kyle Allen and I couldn't turn the game off for ninety minutes and then Sunday night Baker Mayfield got me to television. It's not that Aaron. Rodgers isn't great but what I'm loyal to say this. You know people I'M GONNA lose weight. How come by February my gym is still empty. Everybody goes in January for a new year's resolution by February. My Gym's empty. It's the same seven of us. Working out is is that I am loyal to what I consume what I'm consuming now tomorrow. Night is the first time in over a year. Maybe two years that the game I can't. I can't wait to watch in the quarterback. I can't wait to watch is Aaron Rodgers and I think everybody now realizes some of these previous problems are certainly on Mike McCarthy earthy but a Sam Monson said yesterday at pro football dot com. Pf Dot Com and they just look at data folks some of its on Aaron think their defense is dramatically improved but the offense not that much has changed. Rogers is still remain the same kind of guy he's still tending towards the conservative -servative end of the spectrum. He's not putting the ball in harm's way that much and that offense is transformed him the way a lot of people thought it might. I think Aaron Rodgers is a bigger root cause of the issues there than people thought over the past. Few seasons still love Aaron but tomorrow night will be the first time in a couple of years when that's bats. I WANNA watch Aaron Rodgers more than any quarterback this weekend by the way second Russell Wilson Sunday against the next Russell Wilson Chieter Murray to me is fascinating eating. We've got a big change coming in the NFL quarterbacks little smaller. They run a little more. It's very fascinating so I wanNA talk about Dak.. Prescott and I've always said this about Dak.. I didn't buy them initially. I did not officially by into him until they gave him Amari Cooper last year and he went seven and one down the stretch and played very well L. in big spots in the fourth where I was like. I think I'm pretty good at this quarterback thing you don't generally. I've missed on a couple but most of the time you know the guys I didn't like even when they were winning Vince Young Tim Tebow. I don't buy it I think I mostly been right on this stuff but I didn't buy back until at the end of last year he went seven and one with Amari. Sorry Cooper who is a real grownup is a real man. He's not a child. It's not it's not some of the Dez Bryant nonsense. You're dealing with any one of them and I'm like okay. It's not about Zeke. This is DAX team. Can you give deck legitimate outside perimeter players who work as hard as Dak and you can win games but I'm looking at some stats with Daqing at interesting so dax average his first three years in the league his average season. He threw for thirty six hundred yards twenty two. TV's eight picks. That's very marcus Mariota. That's not that's not what you want this season he's on pace to throw for forty nine hundred yards forty eight touchdowns and ten interceptions and what does it tell you that he doesn't have a contract. It tells you that Jerry and Steven Jones. They didn't know this was possible and let me defend them. I can certainly make a legitimate argument that Jerry and Steven Jones have done a better job drafting talent over the last five years news than any organization football. They're all lines great. They're D- lines good. They've got a corner. They got Zeke. They got they found back in the fourth round. I mean they got stars everywhere. They have the best young linebackers in the NFL two of them so it's not like Jerry and Steven don't know talent they've been exceptional at moving off players drafting being players acquiring free agents and giving up the right picks but if they didn't own that was this that a paid him a year a year ago 'cause they paid Jalen Smith early and they paid Zeke two years early and they paid demarcus Lawrence early and they're gonNA pay Vander early aimed paid or quarterback early in this was possible and that's the real thing listen Philadelphia. Here's the thing with teams team. See All the practice footage they see the interactions they see the twenty two film. Philadelphia even with Carson Wentz hurt and losing signed generally because they're watching the film Jerry and Steven have watched everyday practice every piece of twenty two film and they wake up this morning and those were thirty five million dollars a year stats and they didn't WanNa pay him more than twenty eight in it tells you Dak is a surprise now by the way. What does this tell you about back. I think it and I think I'm pretty good at this quarterback thing. I think it tells you about deck. Baltimore did not pay Joe Flacco and they got burned. Why because Baltimore watched Joe Flack and Joe FLACCO had a winning playoff record. Joe FLACCO wasn't a bum. Joe FLACCO was winning divisions. Joe FLACCO had a winning playoff off record. He had a winning road playoff record and Baltimore. One of the smartest organizations also like Dallas drafts the hell out of this league and give Joe FLACCO money why why because they watched all the practices and they watched all the film and they're like we think it's the roster sixty five seventy percent thirty percent flacco and they got burned and eventually they were paying him too much moved off him and so what Jerry is telling you without telling Ya as they think he's a little more flacco then he is Carson Wentz and it's very hard to doubt the Dallas Dallas cowboys when it comes to young talent. They're great at it Mideast. They've had the best offensive line in the League for six years. They have the best young linebackers they have. They have new England doesn't have this money star players. Kansas City doesn't have this money star players so that doesn't mean that DAX not really talented but it's telling you they rolled the dice on this and in the same reason Baltimore stalled and got burned is the same reason Dallas did. Is that when you watch the film and You watch the practice. You know it doesn't blow you away. It doesn't and quarterback is hard. I've always told you my favorite part of Dak is the podium that's really my a favourite part of deck is that he's Great. At the podium. He sounds like a leader he had to deal with the nonsense with Dez and replacing Tony Romo and the anthem controversy and the Zeke judicial issues. Me had a lot of noise any hand like a good. CEO would a good grownup would and I mean that's why I love. You've got Russell Wilson. He had to deal with Richard Sherman and these defensive players dropping story at the other network. I used to work ad additive got banged in the press and nobody will and then he had to deal with that super bowl interception and all the fallout and Russell Wilson was like you know the man upstairs is the one that controls this. I'm good and and so it just interesting with back is a smartest. Jerry and Steven have been they. They didn't think this was possible or they would have paid him. 'cause they're going to get burned financially. They're probably GONNA pay a quarterback who I like love money. Really I mean I you want to pay the quarterback. She'll love Mahomes Love Money Russell Wilson love money. Most guys nestle pay like money. I like you a a lot and I'm GonNa pay you like money but they're going to pay him love money. Kirk cousins got love money. They liked him. Matt Ryan Got Love Money. They liked him Russell Wilson. I can pay love money to to Brady. I could pay money to Mahomes Andrew Luck. I can pay love money. I've said with that guy. I like the like money but it but it's totally Tania's Donas just didn't they didn't see it. They saw vander Ash eight-man High School Football Boise state they saw star Dak draft to the fourth round and they still didn't buy him when he was winning earning much like Baltimore flacco Hi. It's the hurt WanNa hear something. 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That's the best game on the docket via the Cower Global Satellite Network Nick right my buddies joining US nick. I feel like errands in a transition period. Injuries losses arrogance that on Sunday he's. He's not who I wake up to see. It's Patrick and I'm not banging on Aaron but I do feel like they run more. It's more defense. He's no longer. The golden boy is that is that fair well that part's fair but no quarterback at any point in. NFL history would be the golden boy if they were up against this version of Patrick Mahomes who just happens to be playing the position at the highest level. It's been played by any person. It's not hyperbole. It's not recency buys. It's obvious to the stats and to your eyes but I think this is more about Rogers and less about mahomes so set aside. Maybe the most talented quarterback ever mahomes to talk about. Maybe maybe the second most talented quarterback ever Aaron Rodgers. The numbers are on your side here. Colin this year while the packers are three no they're averaging two hundred in seventy yards of offense nineteen points and their thirtieth and league in third down conversions. Maybe I am holding onto a loss time but I am still still holding on to hope and believe that Aaron Rodgers is not out of his prime that Aaron Rodgers Mr preseason game useless playing because his back I tightened up then the next one but the field in Canada was shoddy that he's a little rusty. There's a new offense. There's there's still getting these young wide receivers in do the flow of things the reason I picked the packers to go to the super bowl was because I loved their defense and I believe Rogers at some point this year. We'll get back to being being Aaron Rodgers but much like I heard you say of Jay Gruden. I can't prove it. I just believe it. I can't prove in the last three years that Aaron Rodgers is still one of the three best quarterbacks in football. I just truly believe it and I think we'll see it. Starting Thursday night New England Glenn seemed unbeatable but might as well gloat. You pick buffalo to make the playoffs. I have a number seven in my I yes I think in the history of the NFL if you have a great staff they do if you have a really good defense they do and if you've upgraded your weakness. Oh line you become you beat. You're fighting for a playoff spot. I think they can beat New England this weekend so go ahead and gloat. What did you see that most of us did not while I saw an easy path to three and which with a young team with a very raw quarterback getting the season started off right is critically important I saw with the whole world sees right now which is nine wins going to get you in the play often this AFC. I saw chargers steelers teams that I didn't think would win their division and I didn't think we'd be wildcard teams. So who are you going to put their and and now you do have a really intriguing match up with the Patriots. The bills can't win the division obviously but can they beat the Patriots at home. Maybe maybe the paths have been great this year. No doubt they've also played literally the worst imaginable outside of the Dallas cowboys in the in the League thus far so there's a reason that bill belichick didn't WanNa cut in Tonio Brown even after those those witness intimidation text came out. There's a reason they let him practice that Friday and then for some reason or another waited to cut them until Friday afternoon. It's it's because he knows offensive line. I are center. I are left tackle fullback on. I our first round pick wide receiver on I R Eshelman. Now's got a chest injury. Josh Gordon's banged up. They thought they needed Antonio Brown. The deepens is spectacular. New England the offense not what it it was last year and so yeah I wouldn't be shocked. If this is the bills up twenty two seventeen going into the fourth quarter and we see a brady eighty can pull it out now whether or not I've I've always said cameras westbrook. I can't deny his iconic stature his talent. I pay to watch him play. He's had one great season where he got his team to the finals but I don't think he elevates players around him so instead of arguing. I don't like Cam as much as you do. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA oppose this that it is getting being easier for the new owner of Carolina to move off Cam Newton Kyle Allen's good Cam's not winning injuries or not you could bail on him after the season and it wouldn't cost you a ton. It wouldn't be a ridiculous cap hit they've got a bunch of young receivers and backs. Kyle Allen's young and the new owner doesn't give ever rip about an MVP season when he was calling her the steelers could you could I at least argue that if Kyle Alan over the next six games and look at it he faces a lot of average secondary's goes five and one you can at least in Carolina Bring Back Cam end of the year tougher schedule struggles. It's it's getting easier to move off cam in the next year. Oh of course it's getting easier and we have to see if cam gets is healthy but you threw in there at the end Yada Yada that I'm not ready to see Alan Kyle Allen's going five and one Kyle and who the Carolina Panthers had so much faith in after having him in the building last year after he starts week seventeen they go out and draft will greer in I in the fourth round of this year's draft. I've never seen a quarterback of the UH especially not a blue chip prospect. Kylie prospects entice school kids kids so much run over one really good game against one really bad defense in Arizona. Let me see kyle go five and one I now Carolina might want to move off of Cam and if he doesn't get healthy then I will understand that to a degree but we do not live in a world with enough. Quality quarterbacks were Cam. Newton Oaten is not clearly win. Healthy and upper have at the very least starting quarterback in this league and Kyle Allen might be the third best quarterback back on the panthers roster. Maybe discovered something in the sixth round a couple years ago and it's just now he's just now blossoming into the player that once was the number one high school in football player in the country but I think nationally and certainly regionally in the Carolinas. A lot of the Kyle and love is actually we. Cam Newton hate being disguised as Kyle in love because I don't know if people really love this guy or they're just ready and wanting someone different than encamp. Does it bother you before you go. I'm looking at the PF rankings this morning. They ranked all the quarterbacks and it must it must irk you to realize it's almost almost Tom. Brady is number. One Patrick Mahomes is six. Does that make you angry young. I like the folks that pf I know some of those guys. I think it's a great story. Some blokes from Ireland start a company. It's now multi conglomerate. I think it's great but I don't have a lot of rules in life but here's one of them if I have a fancy algorithm nice cool formula and input all my data and it spits out to me that there have been five quarterbacks better than Patrick mahomes homes you throw out the algorithm along the same lines of your former employer once upon a time created a new way to grade quarterbacks quarterbacks and it was going to revolutionize things and the algorithm they had said the third greatest quarterback game of all time was Charlie batch game one hundred sixty yards passing. That's when you know there's a fly in the suit. People Patrick mahomes having played the jags the Ravens and being I rating I in yards first in touchdowns. I in everything is the sixth best quarterback. Your rating system stinks. They make right for things. I you have yourself a good Wednesday there chap. It's good seeing you buddy so you to talk to you later. Be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the IHEARTRADIO ASO PF PF did come out with it's all over the debate shows in America today and all of the talk shows pf pro football dot com pro football focus dot com they every quarterback and again they do this on on big big time. Throw percentage turnover worthy plays and adjusted completion rate. This is film stuff. This is a great every offensive lineman every quarterback back in. It's not every interceptions the quarterback fault. They play calling matters where you throw it how hard the throw is it. How good the defense I mean they really great every tick so the first thing is pat myself on the back. They have all the guys I like near the top and the guys that I defend to Shawn Watson Russell Wilson Carson Wentz Dak Prescott Derek. It car are all the top seven so the guys I like and the guys I don't like are all at the very very bottom Andy Dalton jameis winston trubisky kirk cousins so yeah there. I feel feel pretty good about it right like the guys I'm not into dis- and some of those guys are winning games. They have at the bottom of the guys. I like and defend Derek Carr. I don't understand why the raiders are talking about bailing on Derek Carr Ariz good. I don't get why you don't get John Watson people. He's good but what really jumped out to me. Is that right in the middle of the pack. Baker Mayfield is still ahead Lamar Jackson and that goes counter intuitive to what you would think right ones winning one's losing once one doesn't throw any interceptions percents one's a turnover machine and there's been this whole thing you know. How can anybody doubt Lamar Jackson. And how can anybody in one of the reasons I like. PF because it's not about agendas it's not about nonsense. It's just about data and I'm a data guy. I'm not into you know. Media falling in love and media has agendas and media this guy good God. The media just couldn't get over Russell Russell Westbrook. The data was right in front of you and then one day he loses the playoff series and the entire countries like all right collins a jerk but he's right on that one just watch the data get get out of the emotion business. Stop Rooting for people players in cities and so what they're telling you is also Josh Allen his twenty first so what they're telling you that Josh Oun Lamar five and one in the numbers are great but ads like this is not bakers fault and that's what I said yesterday yesterday listen of course Lamar and Josh deserve some credit for what they're doing and Baker deserves some criticism for what he's not doing but this is a Freddie kitchen issue. This is John Dorsey issue. I A- banged on Baker Mayfield more than any sports talk show host in America people get mad at me for this but when I watched Cleveland there are limitations to Baker Mayfield these a five and eleven and a half four eight forty guy. It's not that great of an athlete. I think he's a pocket thrower but he's small so he runs out side a lot and he's not very fast. I run a four seven nine forty in high school. I'm not joking. He runs a four eight four with better nutrition and better strength training than I had had thirty five years ago. He's not that great athlete He. I don't think he's as good an athlete. Is Johnny Manziel I don't. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Tim. Tebow and I never thought Tiba was a great athlete Athlete. I thought he was a great kid a great leader so he's not back. I don't think he's not nearly as good as Trubisky as an athlete not Andrew Lock. We know he's not camera big. Ben On. I just don't use that good of an athlete. I think he's a small average four eight forty guy so I've been banging on Baker for years but what pf is telling you Lamar. Josh are getting a ton of help here and bakers get none and that's what they're telling you and Peter King addressed this yesterday and Freddie Kitchens and if I could give Freddie kitchens one piece of advice if he wants to call the plays then he needs to give the authority of things like clock management and some other things he needs to think about giving that away and I'm fine with him holding onto offensive play calling he's good at it. He was terrible on Sunday because I think he's thinking about too many things a year ago. He was the running backs coach and now he's got the biggest job of them all and he's he's got the weight of great expectations on his shoulders so that's Kinda. PF is telling you our system and you know the guys that look like they're in Pfm the F. F. I don't agree. They don't like darnold nearly as much as they like. Baker and I like Darnell over Baker because I think he's bigger stronger more athletic and I think he's frankly I think he's more of a grownup. It's why I like. I said this just two weeks ago and everybody. I got so much crap on this. I said DAX better than Baker. Everybody's like how can you say that will DAX bigger. He's more athletic. He's stronger way you can credibly coach. Not that Baker isn't but I can tell you this Dacca's coach and i. I don't think back is going to have to overcome constant ownership front office may him to succeed so I said a week ago Dax better than Baker Mayfield. It is remarkable to me on Baker and I'm not blaming him for all this stuff and you know I've been tough on him like Tim. tebow is not an NFL quarterback. I said it you hated me. I was right a vince young was not really a guide build around. I think bakers better than Vince young and better than Tibo and better than man's l. but the problem with Baker is you have to be so good to overcome. Come the nonsense with Cleveland that I'm not sure back could win in Cleveland. I'm not sure I seriously I think Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. It could could be man overboard. I think bigger it's got all sorts of accuracy talent but this is this is why I didn't put them in the top ten why I've said about Baker if Baker and Sam Darnold are equally talented. Sam'll be better because you think the jets are dysfunctional by Cleveland standards. The jets are highly only functional they really are. They've made the playoffs they made the AFC championship with mark. Sanchez jets had herm Edwards One playoff Games Rex Ryan in one playoff games so this PF is telling you. It's an it's not all baker here. It's not it and I believe they're right on that. Be Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific according to studies only about ten percent of break. INS are planned beforehand the rest spur spur of the moment burglaries. What's crazy. Is only one in five home has home security. 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Let's bring him on he's a multi time national sportscaster of the year winner the Voice of NBC Sports Al Michaels who thank God lives two decades due on Monday night football now Sunday night football as my wife always says if you're as good as Al the last five ten years of your career I won't leave you. That's what she says Al.. How're you fantastic. How are you? I'm doing great by the way in one thousand nine hundred seventy four you were. You're you're the next great young announcer you do or do in Cincinnati reds baseball. You're probably twelve somehow you then. You left it to double your money. Go to SAN FOR CISCO. Marty Brennaman took over for you in he's retiring. I tripled the money to go to San Francisco so he did the registered seventy-one pull that might closer out. I Will Yup. I tripled salary to go to San Francisco so I left one of the Great Baseball Teams in History Rose Rose Bench Morgan Morgan. Peres sparky Anderson Ken Griffey senior coming up as a kid. I lived in Washington. That was my favorite team. They were fantastic task. They had like hall of famers everywhere there. Three years went to the world series seventy to the playoffs and seventy-three upset by the mets and the Pete rose but Harrelson Yeah Fracas and then so I leave and I leave Marty with this great team and I go to this more on franchise. They were horrible at they were terrible and then Marvin is doing the world series and seventy five and seventy six so I was there three Marty's their fifteen times as long as I was and you know God bless them the guy. You did a tremendous job through the years. You know as well as anybody. There's a connection between the audience and and the announcer you take Vince Gully in Los Angeles up at the top sixty seven years so you go through every generation. We've been the father the son the grandfather the the grandson MARDI pretty much. It's the same thing in Cincinnati Yeah. He's they had some great teams. They had some bad teams over forty six year period but Jack Buck and Marty Brennaman Ernie Harwell have been the summer voices for fifty years. They were Fifty Years Jack Buck Joe's Dad Ernie in Detroit was a legend and sure there you go so now I gotta ask ally have been Sunday night was just just terrific and I've been marginally critical of Baker Mayfield but I can't. I can't blame him for all the issues but when you went to Cleveland and Al Michaels and Chris Collins were don't do Cleveland much. Give me the environment. Give me the moment your takeaway now. The game's over tell the audience what that. Cleveland doesn't host Sunday night football games. Only we every eleven years the last time we were there was two thousand eight. It was a Pittsburgh Cleveland. Game hadn't been back since I mean over that period of our time how many Patriot Games we like thirty so the town it was crazy because first of all the expectations as you know in Cleveland and were were so high so gigantically high and then you start out and of course they laid an egg on opening day in the fourth quarter against Tennessee came back beat the undermanned demand jets. Everybody's pretty stoked but I will say this. I mean their defense did a fantastic job of the Christian icons worth and I were talking about the fact we had never ever ever done. A game with the entire secondary was inactive. They're all hurt yeah. Every one of them you look at the flip card the top four guys inactive that night and they're calling rolling up guys from the practice squad and getting guys from from the raiders and who could got an interception the other night so they did. I think St Wilson a really good job the defensive offensive coordinator keeping the rams close as he did. I like Mayfield. We've not met him. We didn't know what to expect. What did you get. I like them a lot. Really Sharp ARP clear-eyed focused. I think he's a guy he's got a great future but he just he sees a lot of things he's really really. Lee Bright and fun too and he has a good sense of humor. We we laugh with these guys and it was great and we're able to to get him going and same thing with Freddie Kitchens. We know you know the great thing about doing. A game like that is we. We know the Patriots. We know the cowboys. We know the packers inside out all the guys we had. We didn't know any of these people so we knew Beckham because we've had Brian Beckham for a number of years in New York but it was fun to be with him and I'll tell you what we had myles Garrett in the meeting boy. He's a he's a player. I know but it was amazing to me. Colin is this is a guy leading the league in penalties people would think it all come on putting his body on top of Semyon in New York and you know semi has gone for the season comes in very reflective very quiet very intelligent not not at all what we expected so it's great fun two teams that we have done a long time now you do now. This week is fantastic. The Saints Defense Israel Teddy Bridgewater is a very air. He's thirteen in six in his last nineteen starts in his cowboys. So when you sit down you know I I tend to think you sit down with quarterbacks in your price at now attack. Jerry sneaks into the room and just wants to talk to you. What is your relationship with Jerry because you've done so many cowboy games and Jerry's a businessman and and you've always had the crunchies and the Jerry's that that you know. Oh those guys and you've been around you both doing this league forever. I it's funny. This is the older Jerry these are the twilight year jared has he changed from fifteen years ago not a lot and he's one of my favorite people and I have just the utmost admiration because here's a guy who had a vision and I met him thirty years ago. I met him in an owner's meeting in one thousand nine. Hundred Ninety just bought the team. He's taking all this heat in Dallas because he's fired Tommy. S I remember that brought in Jimmy Johnson and I I went up and introduce myself at the Palm Desert Palm Springs Marriott and said he by the way I should you know I've been going to Dallas for a few years now on Monday night and all they do is write about. It's time for Landry to go. It's time you know hey send them off into the sunset and said you did it and now you're getting all this so and then. GE- with Jerry we've known them he had we. He had to dinner at his house. A couple of times he had the model of the stadium that he wanted to build and Oh yeah back in the in the nineties and he wanted to build it in downtown. Dallas couldn't couldn't get that done obviously gets it done at Arlington and to me I mean that stadium is now ten years old was opened in two thousand nine column Alan. It's as beautiful as it was an opening day. I think it's the model of the stadium. That's GONNA come up here. In Los Angeles would probably be the all-time that Stan Kroenke is building but but the thing with Jerry only those things I clan. There's no practice facility first-class. The Star is off the charts everything he does the maintenance in. At stadiums phenomenal you know you go to a stadium as ten or fifteen years old boy all of a sudden you know you get a dumpster smell in the bowels of the stadium this thing he's like pristine. It's beautiful and I have tremendous respect for him. The one thing about Jerry and you know Jerry takes a lot of heat. Obviously he's out there. He's bigger bigger than life but he boy he. He's resolute. He he what he stands for he he means it is he doesn't put on airs. I mean that's that's old. Jerry Jones and I'm a fan of a team. I want an owner like that. He lives and dies with wins and of course he had tremendous success early on. He wants to three super bowls in four years. Now it's been a long drought in regard to that but boy I've I've never seen a an owner liver die more than Jerry does with his team you and Chris to a tremendous job. You've done a lot of Patriot games last year there was. I wouldn't call it conflict but Tom for the first time time was with his documentary voicing concerns. I wish it could be a little more fun. Bella check I wouldn't I've heard behind the scenes. He's a riot but you sit down with Belichick and Brady. Are you surprised with Bela checks curtness and Tom sort of optimism that it is work nineteen years. I well not not really only because they're both really smart. They're both driven vent their different. People obviously go back with bill to the when I started Monday night football the defensive coordinator for where the The New York giants so probably been one hundred meetings with them. Wow Oh yeah really well you go back. All the years did the giants and we did then we even had some browns the games when he was there and now we give you he gives you depends on the on the day but he gives us what we need. You know the one thing about bill L. is she'll be straightforward with you asking the right questions. He'll give you the right answer. He also loves history. Yes we got him going. We we did the opening game game against Pittsburgh a couple of Sundays ago. We got him going on the replacement players in Nineteen eighty-seven yeah he was on parcels. Steph and how much pressure is hated that and bill said bill checks out there. He's he's going out to long island to try to find guys in playing on on the street or in and he's bringing them in and we told the story on the average bills that defensive coordinator and it's a situation where the the the opposing team it's a Monday night game against San Francisco in the meadowlands and he's yelling out to the Defensive Andrews all tensed up and everything and it's third and twenty nine whatever it is and he goes hey loosen up loosen up and the guy looks over at bill. Like what do you mean. Bill Chico's loosen tim up. The Guy Starts doing jumping jacks or the snap so you get going on stuff like that. It's it's fun. It's great. You know. Here's the thing when people say that. Does he give you the game. We don't need the game plan. Chris Collins Worth God could coach the game his homework is you could coach the game. He goes right. We we don't need a coach to tell us we can figure it out and they were justice is well and Chris Joses will he. He sees everything is fancy. We once in a while while a coach will tell us you know I'm GonNa throw the bomb on the first play of the Game Shannon. Mike Shanahan was great. Shanahan said the opening plays going to be he would tell you sixty l. we you you know he's good elway so he's going to be sixty or down. The field to March Jackson retailers somebody he would say the the opening play right and after that you you can and you can figure it out you've done. Is that told the audience before you came on I heard you I as a young kid. You were a young broadcaster do niner games. I was in Westport grail in Washington on the roof of my house with an AM radio. The mariners weren't really much of a team yet so and they were on a Seattle station. Am I didn't get it so I heard you on. San Francisco. Stick can be are at the CIA was it. Who is it during those years it was it was? Kf Oh okay. I have seventy dollars San Francisco so I heard a young Michael's. You're very similar. Your Voice is is more It's deeper now obviously and there's obviously the miracle on ice which we've discussed we have that's that's probably the greatest call in American sports history. It is let me play at one time. I like to play the respect for all because I know where I was by the way I was in a bowling alley if the game was not live no I was in bowling alley. My mom worked at a bowling alley. She ran the kitchen. The Bowling Alley and somebody came out of the Bar said we beat the Russians and I remember the they had green carpet was astroturf. It was not a high end bar was not the west and so I remember going home and my mom let me stay up so it's the greatest that they've made movies documentaries by the way the Russian documentary fit test is unbolt. Here's the call goosebumps every time I watch it here. We go aw great call and even to this day the greatest moment so take that out. Is there another big event. That doesn't get it doesn't get the publicity that you felt that it had it really will go down for you as the second moment that you really remember she you know. I've got to a B and C Cowan last S. four super bowls. We've done on. NBC All gone down to the last thirty seconds that's because the Patriot journal minute three of them but the one before that was Arizona Zona Pittsburgh best a love that game incredible love that Game Arizona. What are they doing here. They fall behind they come from behind Larry. Fitzgerald caches a Pash Arizona has the lead two and a half minutes to go and then rothlisburger leads them down the field and San Antonio homes makes the phenomenal catch to win the game and that game also also featured James Harrison going one hundred yards at the end of the hat she had two of the most iconic please in history and there of course is the the Holmes catch and and by the way you had the steeler brand in fact I think joy on the show I said this this the best super bowl. That's never been talked about is a great super bowl was at the time but now it's almost been eclipsed. We we had the Malcolm Butler game Seattle against the England. We had Philadelphia against New England so we've done. He used to boxing by the way the that another in other words to a B or c would be I did in one thousand nine hundred eighty five hagler her which which the ring magazine ranked the first first round is the greatest boxing round of the of the twentieth century did it for ABC not for ABC but it live on closed-circuit with Al Bernstein. I'll always I've ever worked with Al.. How's that for doing for our one off so I did the did that fight and that was breathtaking sitting they were ringside and these two guys just and it was you know very high fight normally they don't live up to expectations and guys come out and they parry and all that stuff and and then the two guys just met in the center of the ring and just will the way at each other yes to maybe the two at that point best pound for pound fighters in the country. I I have no idea how either guy survive the first round. The second round was pretty good tune into the third round hagner cut so he's got end this piece of doctors. There's looking at in between the second and third row. It could have been a technical draw. He knew knock her out. It was eight minutes of exhilaration sports illustrated on on the cover. I think the headline was eight minutes of fury so it's amazing the great thing that Scott folks you can youtube this you. Can you incredible youtube. Oh it's you know calling. The great thing about sports is the world series is is like a ten to fourteen day feast. The Super Bowl is three and a half hours hours the NBA finals two weeks. Hagler hearns was eight minutes about that think about that I mean and I love doing it although I did have a chance to the world series the NBA finals and it's like a a book shop. You Hope it's seven chapter book it could be a shortage for but Hagler hearns earns. I remember walking away. Go I had to catch my breath just watching or announcing yeah my first job out of College Vegas and I've told people this for years years of for anybody in their twenties the two things in sports you missed and I've told you this is Al Michaels doing baseball and when boxing was as big as the NFL when when not I'm not saying it was broadly popular but I can remember George Foreman Muhammad Ali fought. I am watching a kid show in Seattle. JP Patches and they a break in to tell you that all these beat foreman in Zaire. It was a children show and so that's how that's how big boxing Mohammed Ali Al Michaels a tenth season together Sunday night football. You know it's a pleasure love coming in and by the way took me twelve minutes to get here so you're always welcome integrate Al Michaels Sunday. You've got cowboys Saints Cowboy Saints New Orleans has good oysters. That's a that's a that's. That's fun. 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Best Of (Ezekiel Elliott, Aaron Rodgers, LeBron James, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes)

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Best Of (Ezekiel Elliott, Aaron Rodgers, LeBron James, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host jenny taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip shannon. Let's go welcomed undisputed. We are live from l._a. I'm i'm jennifer taft here with skip bayless shannon sharpe guys are we do have guilt got some good news for you look for you. It is d day in dallas. Some people are saying it's drop dead day between jerry and zeke. We're about to see this goes north or south but i understand i in. My partner has some new information lou what it is all excited. Let's do this though right. I guess we gotta get on with this. Show a lot a lot to get to today. What can we expect from aaron rodgers in his season debut and can we expect a mahomes breeze super bowl showdown but first we will dive into zeke. Watch ezekiel elliott continues his whole house. The cowboy season opener is now only five days away. The reports are coming fast and furious multiple reports of said that there was progress over labor day weekend but work still needs to be done to make a deal happen. Zeke's camp took most of the day sunday to respond to the cowboys which only added to dallas frustrations and now the latest hiccup appears to be the contract structure and not the dollar amount zeke reportedly wants more guaranteed money than the cowboys are currently willing to offer him so shannon on a scale of one to ten. How confident are you that zeke nick signs today. Just give you the last week when we had this question. How many games that zeke was going to miss out say i was very certain. I said that mr first month and then i said after he missed the first month need to prove a point that oh yeah you one game against miami the giants in washington. Can you beat new orleans green bay yada yada yada but i received some information that zeke and his team are on their way back to dallas now. I don't know if they've already landed but i was told they're heading back. I i believe this is an effort of good faith so jerry. You said this is a marathon. Okay with twenty five point. Two miles left not not drop like for deputies did once he brought the good news that the opinions had pushed out the persian but he got twenty six point two lead dropping dead but i was saying hey. Let's not do that taboo forty kilometers ropy twenty five mile but let's not kill this deal a hundred miles from the finish line. Basically what i'm saying and i believe wants to show jerry jerry. I'm back skipped. Zeke never wanted to miss time. The wanted to have this done but he told them in february. If you don't give commu deal i'm not coming to camp. They called his bluff so with that being said ginny read that it's about the guaranteed money and and zeke knows he's never be another deal like this is. I don't know he could get one more but go ahead not like not of this magnitude guy if they i'm really played twenty eight year old twenty nine year running back. It depends how the duration of this new deal is going to be three or five. Yes if it's five live then he's not going to get another deal right. I believe i believe in order to get what he wants and to appease jerry cat y yeah is going to have to be one of those longer turned turn deals five extension plus the two years that he still has on the contract so it's gonna be a seven year deal and i believe it'll be a megadeal one. That's going going to shock a lot of people who say i'm gonna say a seven. I'm gonna say it gets done today tonight. Midnight all right because like ginny sit it and read skip is about the guarantee is about the upfront money because zeke no. He's not gonna play the duration of this all this contract so he's like. I need x years trying to give him <hes> jay. Maybe trying to give team and said. I need a little closely up but i'm jerry. You know what i'm tired of this long distance. You need to billable hours. I'm tired of being in kabul yup. I'm coming back to dallas. I'm willing to operate negotiating the fade that are so close that me being here you seeing me if i have to come in and we have me and my representative have to come in and sit across the table from you and stephen stephen. I want you to know that i want to be here and this was never the stuff that i wanted to take guy but i wanted you to know i was serious skip. I saved by midnight but i do believe we've zeke. Elliot will care the ball on sunday. Why are you only seven then because i know what jerry wants wants to offer and i know kind of where they want to be this big because like i said you know the back end is worth nothing. It's all about about. How much money guaranteed can i get. It's front-load versus backlog. That's it. That's it in a nutshell is giving you hit the okay. I i do appreciate your reporting but i will shannon sharpe reporter. You're going to start wearing a little of both know skip. I like this little information because i'm not an insider but i just like oh. I might be willing to share some of this information. You're not an insider but i believe you got that got from the inside. I will take it to my bank whether he was sitting close to the miami okay so yet and still i wanna remind everybody what we just went through last this past july with uncle denison number two right because the entire media world got taken for one long ride by i soon mostly uncle dinner right that guy's on route number two guy say as we know no sorry but remember how many reporters highly respected reporters just swung and missed because they were taking to their banks what uncle dennis was telling them yes so we have to have just a word of caution here that you never really know because only really four people know what's really really going on. There are two representatives on zeke's. I'll put zeke in that. Although sometimes they don't tell him everything they difficult him right but we'll say three people in that side row and only two people on this side jerry and his son steven to really really know what has been put put at the middle of the table right here right now so it's funny to me i was at a nine yesterday and i wouldn't go to ten on my confidence just because i don't want to jinx it but <music> overnight. I gotta tell you even after what i heard from you. I'm slightly queasy here. I'm going to drop my confidence level. Just one notch to an age and it's because you never know what could happen today because i've told you from the start that this was my day. Today was my day the day. Why is it today because they are off today the cowboys right. They get their normal day off. They did practice unusually estrogen because it was labor in the first game. They didn't really have a game last week so they're off today and i thought it's right on schedule. Jerry has circled this date to finish off this deal and get zeke in uniform in pads tomorrow for practice because then you'd be pretty much right on schedule to get ready for the giants right you practice. It's wednesday thursday friday and plus. You don't won't guys going out of town a friday saturday and sunday so many late monday night so you make sure you practice so you make sure they're back sungai all right. That's fine so here's my point. What do i know about ezekiel elliott. He is a stubbornly proud man and i do believe you're right. He is on a plane probably as we speak. Maybe they've landed to show good faith. Okay jerry. I'm here. I'm ready. We have a little media session tomorrow practice or maybe after practice of you want to do it. I'm ready to practice mob. If you're ready. Give me the deal that we think we're we. We have here right would also know about ezekiel elliott. He is all baller brawler if you cross him in a bar and he might have had a couple a couple he he will fight you at the drop of somebody's handkerchief in the bar right because that's what he's made of. He's a football player earlier and so jerry is banking. The football player can be a good thing in this context because i do think zeke misses the fella and i think he really really wants to be out there. Just a practice let alone to be out there game one doing this for jerry jones dallas cowboys erica's team right so jerry's banking on that that there is that baller brawler stubborn pride operating. We're jerry makes one wrong move today. He might just say you know what i came all the way back. Jack and i did my part so hell with you. I'm going back to kabul in. It's probably like dicey right on the edge right here right now. What do oh. I know about jerry jones. I'm no. I'm very well. He has a big heart in a short fuse. That's jerry to a t. Big art short fuse. They'll go way. They don't go together. The the big heart is he would love to have a happy fresca offers tomorrow. He would love to be able to put his arm krens say by golly. Would we pull this off. Didn't we jerry jones to me is a master negotiator and he realizes that in the end the essence of a great deal is is when both sides walk away saying we want right yep he needs he knows for zeke and his representatives to be able to flex a little bit and say we got it right. Jerry knows in his heart hearts. He needs to walk away saying that's exactly what i wanted to pay him from day one. Yes and we finally got got right so this is my gut feeling about the jerry i know i believe he is kept back. Just for today this whole long grueling process one eight one ace up his sleeve one creative caveat that he is left back just if necessary and it's look look we finally got. He's been pushed to the if necessary. I don't think he wanted to do whatever this caveat is. By the way i have no idea this is way over my head but jerry and steven even have proven to me over time to be the most creative cap managers and all the n._f._l. Where they create new loopholes every new negotiation. I say how why didn't somebody else think of that. They were the first to realize hold on if we give up front bonus but we extend the years oh wait. There's a loophole here. You can pro rate contrary so if we give somebody a six year if we give him sixty million dollars. It only counts in in million a year against our cat right brilliant. Nobody jerry leap do that. Luke paul before anybody did. I don't know what it is but i believe there's one little last loophole that he's got where he will throw it out on the middle of the table as his last olive branch and he's hoping zico say okay. I went as far as i could. He win as far as he could. Let's shake hands on this because let's just say for the sake of argument skip. I believe to get to the number. That zeke wants for the cap space that jerry need. They're going to have to do something something of a four or five year deal so they're gonna have to make plus the two years so you look at six to seven years so let's just say for the sake of argument skip we give at the time of signing we give him forty million dollars forty million dollars over over seven years. That's a little less than six million dollars. He's going to have a base salary this year. So instead of having this huge gap number we can have it feasible because they just signed lau collins to an extension so he the top five it fields team friendly to me because it's five years skew is very well. Actually it's six years because it's five years flipped yard. Handle the knbr six years so you can pro life of the contract skip. I think the thing is for z. There's a magic number skipping when player they're not going through this. There was a magic number that that i wanted to hear i wanted to be the highest paid yep but i wanted to be a certain number. Two point three good two point five sounds better yeah. Three three main is good but three point five south better. How do we get there. I don't care what you you can make the back number like eight million dollars. If you want to end cause i'm probably not gonna see me but i just need to know when they read this contract. I'm making three and a half million dollars when no other tidings over three million. That's what i need. So how do we get. How do we get there. How did jerry jones get creative. If the locates the like you said there was a number that jerry willing to go to all alone all day. No one gets you take less sure i agree w like you say that'd be more slices little pie for someone else correct uh-huh whoa back tomorrow to take up all the pipe take up seventy five percent of the pot 'cause then only got twenty five percent to feed the rest of the guy now jalen smith got a little lil slice little sliver these guys getting getting daddies graduated day. Get big flies. What about these guys getting big slices skip. How do we how how did we get here now so you said in ottawa d._o. So you feel like if everybody feels like they won. Everybody's happy but always feel like if everybody feel like they got it then. It was a great deal are they got me mad. They got me so if everybody feel like they're being got a good deal because nobody wants but you don't want that as the owner of a football team with the season on the precipice or you don't want that kind of what you're going to get. You're you're going to get it done. Skill for the simple fact skip jerry knows how to move a little bit of this a little bit of that skill what kill the baltimore ravens is that joe flacco water the extra two million dollars in your to and they wouldn't do it so two million dollars ended up costing them mm sixty million they made him the highest paid only goodwill joe flack skip. He was willing to take sixteen. He's willing to take sixteen sixteen million dollars but just instead of year four the two million dollars a year to three okay if they know we wouldn't do that so he played out and boom skill so so what he wants to extra. Let's say for the sake of argument. He wants an extra million half to three million dollars in the first three years. Deal really jerry you really is one the super bowl worth because the because seattle skip you remember when they signed person harvard. They gave him basically twelve million dollars about four games but one of those games was the super bowl. That's true polar restaurant whose owner said that was what twelve million of the best up everyone ask yourself. You see it if you guarantee me up the chance to win the super bowl. You have no idea the size of the check. I'd be willing to write well you. Should i mean you probably got couch cushion. You've got initially two hundred thousand point yes so this morning i've read six or seven new reports and the the gist of every one of them is they're making progress but they still have some significant they do. They do okay and ian rapoport n._f._l. Networks works as there have been plenty of frayed nerves along the way between the two sides. I'm sure today as we speak. They are really frayed especially especially on zeke side because it's usually harder on their side because jerry kinda does this for a living on and off the field. This is what he's done in his his other life. He negotiates associates deal. If i got the money if always harder for the guy to get the money from you got the money okay but his jerry slightly impatient right now downtown. He's getting a little bit impatience even his son getting even more impatient probably so all the other jones charlotte and jerry junior. Are they getting really impatient. Yes or are they starting to put a little pressure on granddaddy. Daddy go ahead. Yes so so now when you have frayed nerves and you reach the flashpoint in everybody was pointing toward today it can go real good or it can go really really bad and that's my dread today. That's soi. I got a little bit of my feet are getting slightly cold. Because of the listen jerry's warhorse he is and again big heart short fuse zeke. Take ball or brawler. You've got to be careful like you've reached the end of the line and now it's it's kabo or a bus right now. How are you going to force him to get on that plane back to kabul or you're gonna miss the giants game and maybe the redskins the dolphins game right maybe but but these are questions skip skip these questions you don't want to you. Don't want your team having to answer because you win. Lose withdrawal the overwight. Riding theme is going to be zeke and you don't want guy. The coach of the constantly have to answer that for a couple of hundred thousand dollars. What if i told you what phrase raise if i used also in association jerry jones foolish pride you don't wanna let foolish pride gain your way when you're this close to the finish line and you're this close to the starting starting line of sunday. Skip jerry says i don't want to reset the running back market down the roles give. I don't really care what saquon get because. I'm not going to have to pay it. I don't care what alvin kamara get. I don't care what christian mccaffrey any other these running back because i'm not going to have to pay their salaries. I worried about my guy. I'm worried about the guy that could run me to a super bowl. I don't really know how saquon kamera in christian mccaffrey health jerry jones situation. I'm not worried about them. I go to let their organization organization. Worry about that because skip as players in. I don't know how much how well players but i'm telling you what ages do they're looking like. They're looking for you to get this so i can come along and that and that's how it works von miller had an obligation skill to get close to twenty million as he possibly could because you you know what he had to hail raises right behind him he had aaron donald he had khalil mack aaron. Donald says i want to be the first twenty million got okay the rams made in that glioma. I said i want to get twenty. One million and chicago made him that they did. That's the way it works. Give betas zeke wants to get a round bigger. Let's say fifteen sixteen million dollars. Hello so when fake winds up in two years seventeen eighteen and alvin kamara right down the skill compare i mean he was the second third round pick up. He's on his mind so he's gonna want. He was like hold on all pro. I've been pro bowl yada. I need to get that zeke zeke and his representative don't wanna don't wanna build the wall. It's oh that's running back with this. You can go yeah you wanna. Keep moving it. So the next guy yeah can push it forward a little bit but if i'm jerry jones galas i believe and he said this most talented team that we've had since those nineties cowboys. We know what happened in the early nineties for those. Are you willing to record. Let's just say for five hundred thousand dollars a year over the first three or four. Are you really to a super bowl chance. The five hundred skilled demands a quarter of a billion own a yacht but there are no salary caps on your limits you question which we jerry jones rather have five five yards or five more super bowl exactly that skill. You know what there's a guy that came into the n._f._l. Oh five years after jair had his team and he's passed jerry with super bowl <hes> mr kraut don't think you don't see that skill. No i agree just remember. Jerry also considers himself better than mr crack. He jerry considers himself the trendsetter and the pacesetter for the other owners so so he doesn't want to let this deal leak and be ashamed of how much she gave zeke so there's pride on the line to me. That's foolish pride vassals skip. Why do you think jerry at the end when jerry tried to get commissioner removed while those other owners booked they bought the jerry. You don't run this look. We let you think that you in charge and we let you have your way a lot but when the rubber needs to meet the road we're we're going to back the commissioner true in that's what happened with the had his way if he like rob robert you see what he did to you. He tried to topple you with some. I'm trump. They'll charge. You convinced the crafts that you remember what you told me. Sometimes you gotta take one for the team. Yeah i need you to take this one for the team did arthur blank and then all the other owners in jerry had had to stand down he did what is still you one million dollars. The jerry jones this worth six point. Eight billion wasn't million dollar. Pay back laurie yeah that's what it is does not hundred thousand offer a million off. Uh i'm i'm just over over the course of nothing chicken feed paired to what that trophy could look like oh in your office about new betas if instead of spending almost twenty million dollars on a holiday party yeah if he'd just just been ten week he could have so mike florio n._b._c. says that tuesday seems like drop dead deadline day for getting something done. I've said that right from the start and he concludes so this deal is likely getting done today as the most likely day to do it right. I agree in because the seems like a new runaway train. I'm queasy about it because it feels almost too good to be. Hey thanks to your new reports. Give the first day of practice is tomorrow aw you won't when everybody goes out there when they when the camera crews and they wanted everybody won't feel they want to see that twenty-one. You won't see some new pap. Everybody's style twenty anyone he might be dragging. The money will be dragging forty one days though that they haven't been with them a long time. You say the money's gonna meet a holding back. Money will be holding back money your pockets so he used to run four four four eight locker room serving now. He's going to be running. Shannon sharpe speed donated bring brigham street. I asked me like saquon. I'm looking forward to this next. One shannon has some more the inside scoop your aaron rodgers new coaches already making concessions translate to a win in thursday's opener and hey don't forget you can check talk every day on the fox sports channel on sirius x._m. Owner i always imagine what i'd do. After scoring the game winning touchdown on an always ends with me jumping into a big comfy bed getting the sleep i deserve and while i'm no pro athletes going points. I can still score big savings during mattress firm's labor day they sale now extended through tuesday. Get king bed for queen price or queen for a twin price and save up to six hundred dollars plus. You can take home a free adjustable base ace when you spend four hundred ninety nine dollars but hurry offer ends tuesday only mattress firm after a season where aaron rodgers was reportedly frustrated with former coach mike mccarthy's offense the opera quarterback will have much more control this season rogers didn't take any snaps in the preseason and we're still waiting to see what the two time time m._v._p. Looks like under new head. Coach matlock flers offense. The rookie head coach assured everyone rogers won't feel restricted. Come game time and that the q._e. Will have the green light to make changes at the line of scrimmage shannon. What do you expect from aaron. Rodgers and the packers offense thursday night. I expect the biz to be one of the toughest. Here's that defense. Is you say you want to talk about a fire but i expect roger have a month to season now. I expect this offense to resemble more of the the ram the l._a. Rams offense as opposed to the tennessee titans because if you look at this get listen to sean maitree we see what the rams are. They're very explosive. Explosive quarterback jared goff brand cooked robert woods todd gurley. The running back solid offensive line yup. The packers have very good backyard blog a very good offensive line the question staying healthy for them with aaron rodgers. Who would you take aaron rodgers though <hes> jerry would you take davante adams or you take a the brandin cooks <hes> well. I think that's a no brainer. The question is can they get decent running game and knowing what the running back dad's last year in a minimum amount of carey's but they're gonna after going to put more on his plate can eat that much. That's like a kid. They give you the best you just give a little bit and then you keep apolinar piling on to you. Now is the size of what they really like on the plane. The question is can this gentleman handle that kind of workloads kim. We didn't see aaron rogers and the whole entire preseason. This is a new offense. I would have liked to seen him. Take a couple of snaps but now everybody's like. Oh my god can. I believe you know he might get hurt. Is there's no benefit. I think that's why some of the guys do get hurt skip because they go from zero to a hundred hundred. You don't do anything in practice. You don't tackle you. Don't you know don't do really anything that you get to the game and the little guys down for an extended period of time yup but if okay early on is like aaron rodgers i should have the ability to oliva played yada yada yada give track record and leflore said well. We've we've really never had a quarterback data and so we go with the play. This call really gonna wind up house. Get the green bay packers the moment arou- decided they gave him seventy nine million dollars correct. Where are they going to build a chicken chicken. He could win a power struggle with that because if you cut him he's ruined to kappa lose two years. You trade 'cause if you think about what it beckham was twenty one one million against seventy nine million due to you can't give them if you release the traded him so he was always going to win that struggle air ride like okay so so now but he's still the balls in court now. Everybody knows he could all to him yet. You mike mccarthy accomplished a lot of great things but you had grown tired out of his boys and for whatever reason maybe we'll just play call. Maybe was creativity. Whatever the case may be. You wanted to go in a different direction now. Now what's unique in this situation given aaron rodgers zia's. They didn't ask his input on the knicks coach which is strange which is odd to me me remember. The bleacher report story quoted a packer executive as telling aaron on the phone. Don't be the problem okay so this is aaron way of like. I know i have no input <hes> whether or not you came you. Don't forget who in charge now okay so you still see monster season roger okay we hadn't been for three years have moment how many intersections to how many jobs twenty-five interesting i interest you in q._b._r. Falling each of the last three years in percentage falling each of the last three years winning percentage as a starter over the last three years ranks twentieth in the n._f._l. Won't be twenty this year okay. Oh i know what you might be one in fifteen but i know the game they don't win. We don't skip. We know that when it's ask dallas aren't you circle that w oh you tired of them putting foots than you at your own home they did it in the playoff game in the mckay right back the next year and did it again. Just keep keep a point pushing back would my rookie dak prescott due to aaron rodgers on the frozen tundra as during his rookie year we replay let's see he did you know that with nathan crossbar god that prescott's combine q._b._r. Over those three games is an eighty. The arron rogers combined q._b._r. Three the last three games against dallas and dak prescott is a sixty to eighty two sixty q._b._r. Restaurant only have ability meals q._b._r. Took it off the menu with no well then aaron rodgers has not even a restaurant in a long time because is all he does is take l. and left. I'd be won't take a bushel envision so before. I say what i'm going to say about this topic. I'm going to read a text that i got yesterday day from our friend little wayne because the big packer fan but he's been bombarding me with tax all in the same vein. I decided you know what wayne wayne is. A deep thinker he has sports brilliance about him and he has often been right on these kinds of matters before when he predicts expenditure be careful this is coming and i know he doesn't have great objectivity when it comes to love the packers but he texted yesterday after we did our aaron rodgers topic and he was again the an angry about it so this is this is a mad text but it's a smart tax. He said they have something up their sleeves. He's talking about aaron and his new head coach. I have a feeling he and matt or closer than we think. I think that they have a plan that this whole thing about about them. Not seeing eye to eye is a plan. There's something we can't see that will be revealed thursday about this offense and he says that aaron and when young matt are going to be sneaky good together together so he's seeing there all the buzz about back in infighting infighting all this subtext of these guys don't like each other and make it upscale. We didn't make it on by the audible okay. The audibles will remember mellifluent just went from his opening state. We don't have audibles in this to yesterday. He was saying if audible he can audible anytime he wants to. Ah sounds like he crumbled to me. Skill i like the pre season scrimmages between teams. I hate him dome ideal <hes> and we didn't make that up if the coast this magic the head coach says you know what i really liked it. I guess this team. I think that's something moving forward and the star quarterback the best player on your team the teams there. That's a dumb idea. I hate it. What do you think that <hes> well. I don't know but there were early stories about their clashing behind the scene. Okay what of coach belichick says you know what i like scrimmage against other teams. It gives us an opportunity because we don't play out in the preseason it. Tom brady came out and said that's the dumbest the ever heard of. I don't know why we doing it. What do you think people go to thanksgiving. Okay so you still think there is sort of back biting between we need to. I don't know if it's backbiting. Winning can cure that <hes> but aaron rodgers skip any other quarterback of his ill. <hes> would've would've had a say in who they're hiring okay. He didn't get that courtesy so to finish off my friend a little wayne here. He's saying i'm not predicting greatness us this year but i just have a gut feeling. It's going to be way better than people think it is pretty much in your grass. Okay my gut that feeling is same old same l- more things change the more they stay the same and it's because of what you said aaron rodgers is still completely in charge none of in this team but of this franchise because of the money he makes and because of his his legacy there he's been there so long. He does have have one super bowl appearance in one win. We're going on ten years ago but he does have that on his resume and because of that cachet. I think he's still completely in charge of the new head coach. Who's not much older than aaron is correct so to me we might see some more bells and whistles we might let's see a little more gadgetry a little more motion a little more this and that little little frills that we haven't seen before because mike mccarthy got meat and potatoes data's after a while aaron was so good at what aaron did they just basically is like the nineties cowboys they just kind of lined up and said we stopped it right right right and if you want want to do this and that we don't care what you do. We'll just do what we do because the ninth gal was just said. We're just gonna hand at the image. We don't care robbery. Stop it. The reports are true. That erin erin was audibly. What thirty forty percent of the eight well. He's your take more responsibility. We're ready to play okay. I've thought about all right so okay. You seem to be off his bandwagon on how he's handling himself like that. I don't like he's still a great player but i just big in yesterday. You were angry that he said i'd like to play until i'm forty five and then walk into the sunset with another super bowl right hail. There are a lot of fans. Thank the sunset already set looking at the two year the stats that you just read over the last three years <hes> but guess what they're the new day don really yep okay aaron rodgers why you keep the prescott i will believe it when i see it because he's played worse than dak prescott he has that prescott scotts played way better though he doesn't get the credit than aaron rodgers who continue to get the credit for playing worse than back. That's the bottom line to this discussion m._s._u. question. Let's let's just say for the sake of argument with the quarterback of the dallas aaron rodgers. How many games do you how do you love their chances. He is turned into to one of the worst leaders in all sports. He can fracture game. He he's gonna alienate amari the first day on come on in a meeting the monteiro woah fourteen touchdowns over one hundred catches come home. He's the greatest order football we've ever seen and that gets you wear it to the super bowl well. He hasn't been in a while but he longtime but he's gonna play till forty five. He's got plenty of time to get there. I will give you this thursday. Thursday night for me is mysteriously fascinating because i don't know exactly what we're going to see from this new duo and i also don't know exactly what we're going to z. On the other side of the ball because member chuck pagano just took over for your new denver head coach vic fangio who's one of the best defensive lines and pro-football troy choc- chocolate milk flour tonight. He was vital for a lot of years. Give me all right. He knows deep in new defense and some people think chicago has the best defense. It's up there. I'll tell you what you better not see nazi fifty too close to the guy in the bears uniform. He doesn't need to be anywhere around aaron rodgers because it feels bad. Yeah things normally happen khalil. What do you like most about playing. The packers. Sacking aaron rodgers yup right now. That's a that's a grown man there. You underplayed with backyard body. You got your work cut bottom line. The bears are three point favorite which they probably get their own field so it's kind of a feet tall game and i can't wait hoping we will take the gamble thursday yesterday like the bears. You like to know you know you. Don't i don't know earth is not that you like. The bears like you dislike iraj but that's okay. I'm gonna go ahead and take you into a remember what he did to early last year. Remember that thought the obama engine even recall. That may not have been that bomb. No one has any games. He missed any games so you. The man wore be braced for like ten eleven games. Is that what he normally does preventive medicine. I'm gonna knock on wood for him so he doesn't want any injuries for rodman would seeks this season. You would do but not with me. Knuckle lebron james is gearing up for the upcoming season and in case. You haven't been on social media lately last week. He posted a workout video with the the hashtag washed king in response to critics over the weekend. Lebron posted a picture with new teammate anthony davis saying that he will push and challenge orange each other more than anyone else could so shannon you like when ron's latest instagram love it rollerball going to get a pair of the most them teams. I'll see you all right the u begging on your marsha way the seventy eight you can afford just to purchase gifts by them contrary to what you think other sneakers the air jordan george okay you like to think only once meeker in the entire world into their jordan that is not true. It is true. It is not true but anyway yes. I love it skipped but there's interest- interesting dilemma going did not limit dynamic going on here. Lebron ron came to l._a. And everybody said well he's coming to l._a. Because he wants to be michael jordan instead of everybody body said that one guy yeah yeah you oh. The guy wants to be hollywood. He wants to be leonardo dicaprio. He wants to do all this and all that he did go to offer to meet with tim and pacino but go ahead. You have dinner with people. Nobody say. We'll skip babies that such and such. I've eaten offer but i don't go in the back room. I've never been invited invited the bedroom. You open the craig's to you about about that a lot about that anybody to report that you will zoo reported reported that craig hip waist. He came here for whatever we. Let's just just say he you believe he came because he's been successful. Everyone's being cleveland miami back to cleveland now. He doesn't want this to be on his resume that he went to the lakers and he didn't have success there. Anthony davis wanted to leave new orleans. He wanted to come to l._a. Anthony davis has not had a whole lot of success and there's career. That's on his resume now. The thing is that once and so on your resume. You can't get it. Ask you but you can push it down so by the time they get there. Nobody really care about it so that's what they're going to do now. I believe anthony davis is as the most talented player that lebron james has ever played with d way maybe more complex but as far as just pure talent skip came to you in the heart of this prime because dwayne wasn't quite there when he and he definitely wasn't the defensive player that ever davis led the league and block three times thirty three minutes last year and and he gave twenty six twelve in too so that's what he's capable of. He wants to fifty nine twenty ballgame. He the forty twenty guys and then he gets thirty twenty thirty fifteen fifteen is man you see he had thirty eighteen <hes> that's what he's capable of and this is why i said this and i'm gonna say it again. Everybody keeps talking about the clippers. Mainly you <hes> really good but you saw. Did you see that i g poulton. Oh c'mon unfortunately i did look at it in cooling. They're going to push each other because now lebron. James has somewhat for the first time lebron. James has someone that's seriously are this team. That's pushing them for the best player. He's never experienced that before in his life never ever have anybody been disclosed till lebron. James gone team as being a better player. Anthony davis wants that they want that and when people walser skipping too good for the both of them that with jerry jones told jerry jones said if if it's good for this and it's good for that is good for volt contention between yet negotiating with each other. They're on the sadness win the goshi editing to get the larry o'brien award that that what we will get that trophy so adam silver comes zunyi second week in june. Oh jeannie book go beef standing on stage. Go whisper. Lebron does what she goes say. We got their trophy. So are you suggesting that anthony davis will be able to carry lebron to the larry o'brien trophy that we're going to do it. That's not what i saw. A quote from scottie pippen just a couple of weeks back aw capable of carrying a team to a championship so we need somebody to carry him out to you. Mike pence beat the president. Don't speak with the president is capable of speaking michael jordan if michael jordan says that i might put some credibility but i'm not listening to robert. I don't listen the second tier superheroes not our mayor batman superman aquaman. I listened who has the best view of a superhero. The second tier superhero all these robin knows batman better than anybody has robin sees him up close and personal and watches just how he operates and he gets it better than anybody gets it. There's there's there's a great thing. They say that those that do do those. That can't teach so it's either. I got to say because these days what he couldn't do. Finally i said from day one of the <music> scottie pippen is not a top fifty player and you're like oh stop it well now. You just started. It said he's a teacher. He's not a top if he can't do it's so he's trying to teach eighteen hundred people in the billionaire clue that doesn't mean they're not wealthy. They're not wealthy like jeff bezos and bill gates. I can't believe why you always say what you do. I'll tell you one thing if you go all the way to the front why do that. I'm just leaping to the conclusion. You open me up to leap. Would you walk by leaping into this because now it's my turn i know lebron. James is the biggest social she'll media star in american sports. I get that yes so he feels like on a daily basis. He must live up to being that so he has to post and post in post some more. If only he could post up smaller guards but we don't see a lot of that but then he oh sorry that was good line out of my view that was like it so we've seen days in a row now that that he keeps posting with the same theme of comeback season for the ages ages and he's admitting he needs a comeback season so he's admitting last year was disastrous to me and day after day he saying watch this watch this watch. What's this and i keep saying lebron. You're better than this. You don't need to keep telling us just show us next year. It's coming. It'll be here before you know. No it and you're gonna get eighty two chances if you so desire. We don't want whatever just two years ago. He played all eighty five in his career career so he might play all a._g. Plays seventy eight seventy chance to show us. Don't tell us show. Oh us and you know what donald me last night after i saw this one what clutch run he's out there scrimmaging with clutch clients. We've got a budget. We've got a bunch of them and i'm impressed stress because man you don't go those clutch clients. Your employees basically doing if we if we wicklow was he was he out there who don't buy the back well. What are you talking about. That was two years ago host. Okay he's fine. He's lived famous okay. Here's my takeaway from last night. Lebron james is now not just trying to convince everybody everybody else. He's trying to convince himself that he's not the washed up king. He called it to wash keen. We decided it was washed up that he left out the up right. You believe that okay okay. He's trying to convince himself. Because who else is he trying to convince. Does he really need. Are you already know you don't you don't get many got. I don't enjoy that means. You're seeing his post. He kept using the word flight. He is so obsessed with michael jordan that he's now trying to co-opt the number number. One word associated with michael jordan is flight right. Flights is flight shoes. Everything's flight flight flight and now he's writing eating. Enjoy a flight takeaways pilot and you been cleared for take away the flight a hope. You're you're depressed and he's got no chance ever passing jordan obviously in winning championships because he's three and six jordan six six m._v._p.'s that game is over so now he's just trying to convince everyone and their billions of blind witnesses out there who just they're actually buying all this like yeah. He's better than jordan. Stop it thanks to use some of them. Actually think there's some credibility credibility to this argument related gentleman visit your pilot lebron james speaking. Thank you for choosing the fairway to bron james inc. We'll be flying at a comfortable attitude attitude about thirty five thousand me cruzi orden always fluid fifty not skill bailiff fifty did you did you see it. Did you see him in washington. You could get off the ground ground cone coming to work in those big o. genes that was after he was retired retired biggest guilt still wearing in a big jeans coming to work. Well kaput a package. That's a big jinx. <hes> lebron is so obsessed trying to show us. He can still jump. He got in his sons. John's layup line. They're fourteen years old and he dunk. He's he's donkey and his sons layup line. It's pathetic what this this is getting creepy because this is lebron. Just losing it like every day i'm saying. What are you doing the bounce last year. I think somebody the who that maybe it was cool summer their bows pay he called it. A rebirth duct look good. Can you imagine if you had a contest to see what you would. A lot of people still hold it against you didn't have my joy. He didn't have the guts to do the content oh to play michael jordan kobe did it dr j. Hey keep telling us we do our own thing. We most our own beat. We hear something that you here. We see something you can't see and we hit the target. Mike and i can't see it for sure. All i could see was twenty eight and twenty seven as a starter lashari lakers and all. I saw and i'm not going to rub it. In by playing again. I saw a blooper tape type of lowlights like embarrassing lowlights from lebron james including getting blocked by mario zone elastic at madison square garden ayumi talk radio talking right now now. I want you to have the energy in about forty nine days. I think the n._b._c. started by forty nine now. I won't that kind of orange. That kind of passion that can right now because lebron is obviously the now chasing michael jordan more than michael jordan last night. I'm reading this and i flashed once again on my all time favorite quintessential hollywood movie i know you don't go back quite this far but it was called sunset boulevard in at the end of it gloria swanson the fading star who's delusional and has no idea that she's completely washed up. She walks down her spiral staircase at the end of the movie and she looks up and says i'm ready for my closeup mr demille meaning even the greatest one of the greatest dregs ever and there's no camera because there's there's no close up because nobody's there. She's just so delusional. She thinks that she's about to do another big scene for cecil being he's not there. Go in other words. Although we are in other words you say lebron fate. You say he's washed up last what he called himself. The other day hashtag wash team usually the handrail looking ahead and put a eh just <hes> you know we can't see what's happening under their then you gotta you gotta head for early like that headband. He should go with that. Gotta gotta handful of curly locks. Does he get yeah though he is a whiskey ability. It's nothing is safe when it comes starting to feel sorry for him. He's got a snap out of it. What do you feel sorry for a man of mercy. He likes social media. I mean he's a little social media. He's still player. Dan lewis edebali buddha rookies during his favorite players um favorite but not this already know. They already donate what they waited. Lakers clippers forty nine days. I am gonna becoming that won down beat so you're gonna be there. I'm gonna try to find a way to be there watching. I'll just sit back and you'll be there. Why would it be because i want to watch levada a._d._p. Uplift listen paul george and they probably will. He's five games in good ones look at a._b. Got that rainbow does lebron orange that roy low right now that i got that watch we should start talking to each should talk to each other like that on this show and i think you know i think he's washed cut cleveland trying to relive bit insert whatever they won't really so. He's washington around here. Everything is reality opened. The former alabama quarterback jalen hurts put on a show sunday night. Hurts made is oklahoma debut memorable bypassing for three hundred thirty two yards running for another one seventy six and packing up six total touchdowns in the win. Yesterday hurts former coach. Nick sabin had high praise praise for his old quarterback. Take a listen. I think that you know jaden set a great example when he was here. When he was a player on he was a good leader. I was a good performer. <hes> and i also think when things didn't go his way you know he showed a lot of character as a person to continue to try to improve prove himself and do everything he could to help his team and you know in this day and age. You don't often see that. I hear he played extremely well. <hes> did a outstanding job and you know that doesn't surprise me in the least bit. <hes> and we're really happy for him. <hes> not only in the way that he handled handled himself throughout this entire process but now that he's having success as well now joined by fox college football analyst reggie bush good to have you with us good first week job on saturday. Thank oh good fun to watch you guys so in terms of jalen hurts what shot you can you give him to win the heiser. I give them a good shot. When you think about the heisman trophy it's about two things about production and it's about winning football games and jalen the hers gives me both of those things right and he saw what he did in that first game and i think it is a testament to his character to the type of personality is because i thought he handled the situation perfectly right to takes over and we all know that had to hurt right but he handled it perfectly. He didn't get mad. He didn't complain complain. He said he wa- she waited now. He got his shot and he showed up and he showed out if so now he went from having to face s._e._c. Defenses assists to now having to face big twelve different basically the top like texas and florida right and so they really so. I'm not sure you know the jury's still out on on oklahoma's defense and when i watched the game with alabama vers duke tool was sitting by the fourth quarter taylor hurts playing the whole game well. You ought to be five hundred yards through three quarters <hes> kind of creep back into that also ties into the kind of defenses. He's gonna face this year and so to me. He played the situation perfectly because now he could just run through the big twelve defensive if he wants to see maybe texas maybe kansas state but other than that. Those are the only team that i see that. Can maybe slow him down. Nobody's going to stop them but maybe only teams that consoling him down because he has great weapons around him. They can lineup they could play big boy football football with trae sermon if they want to also he has one of the best receiving cores but one of the best receivers cd lamb you see them on holiday wide open how just wide open just take off that. Pass little rambo look like reggie bush. We're going to see that all season loan in that conference difference so i give them a great shot by the way just quick aside. You think all those coaches every offseason. They say. Let's just be bad on defense i mean why are they so bad. Had the thing is is that teams that guys that wanna play defense. They go where they play defense at team guys that want to play quarterback. That's why coach sabin is hard for him to get a top like quarterback because he's still old school. He wants to run the football person. He's going to prioritize that and so it oklahoma they prioritize off right right. You will throw it. You'll catch it and you run. The ball is going to be in space and they will be no apple old. No school run back over here. Yeah yeah he has a great chance to win the heisman for two regiments but also puts up number need that power five. He's an oklahoma yeah. He behold put up numbers just like this. It takes us take but texas tech is not a big school like oklahoma and they're not on television oklahoma so he's going to have the numbers and he let's be real the dental they don't play any defense they just try to outscore you and it might be a situation that he goes against teams that they have better office what the university of houston add on sunday and so he might have to play it so he this might be a common theme for him skip. It might be a lot a lot of games that he puts a five hundred dollars lobbying because he he someone with explaining if you look at a column murray he the slot receiver play play quarterback kathy lee gifford okay and he said jailer hers as quarterbacks because he's bigger than you think and he's he's thirty thirty. He had like a really got five long running back what i noticed sunday night or here's this easy effortless acceleration. We've just run a pass because i'm saying house you don't even look like he's running hard and then he has effortless change of direction because he's shifty but it doesn't look like he's trying to be shifty most like when you were plain you say wow you big wow factor with him. He just suddenly he's loosened the secondary and then he's taken people on and i don't love that because i don't like it either. I think the thing that's going to work against him. Skip baker won it and then kyle had to be accessible. He had to break all abakar shirts in order to get it so hurts. He's going to have to break all the what what last year in plus they will like. Are they really that good. Now guys were number one overall aw i don't know he will not no more no no. I don't even know about his chances plant breath football but i know he can play college football at the highest level and that's all that matters <music> i wouldn't i would say that he's similar to dak prescott big arms dak. Maybe not as big of arm but i say he gets gets his touchdowns in his production similar ways. That price is a playmaker like a he. He makes big plays a big mall. We'll get the s._e._c. championship game. He saved their season fourth quarter fourth quarter but to say thank you very right. George hatem dander right the who's to say if saving hadn't stuck with jalen jalen woodenness true though he wouldn't have done coach savings said even though you came into and you won the national championship in the second half. I'm gonna put the job in spring practice. Whoever wins being pregnant does go. That's going to be the starter now. If you don't mind me asking who try that day in two thousand eighteen opening day for the crimson tide it will not auburn had yanked bonex freshman freshman quarterback the other day before the fourth quarter then what would happen holo first of all the first game of the season and you talk about national championship get. That's totally different skim to saying so here's the other factor you did not bring up. Heismans are also one with according to this man across the table narratives right. Can i give give you a better fairytale narrative a quarterback who loses his job that quarterback at alabama who takes it like a man because he is a man. He's a young cambrai us become a man right before your very eyes and then he waits his time. He saves the day last year to get them to the championship. Then he transfers i right on schedule and he goes over here and he makes them eat kroll the whole year until he finally shows that he's performing better than too is joe. That's a narrative to me. That's that's an all time what happens if they play each other in the playoffs and he ends up beating alabama which is going to happen job but i know hypotheticals in the story lines and narratives as you as you speak of i mean. I don't know if there's a better story line. That can be all the district. That'll be instant movie in his in his post game the other night jalen hurts use the term unprecedented unprecedented five different time because his story. What he's doing is precedent. Has this ever happened. The gas started to national title gained range twenty six. He wanted to give a lot of people fought that after two came in at the half and won the national title game he was going to transfer then yeah he says no. I will try to give he tried to beat him out and he went to a system that it they play in space and and so the receivers are going to be more open than he because they play more conventional style in the s._e._c. Guys a little bit more covered now. The question is can you keep this the subscript. I don't believe he's gonna keep five hundred eighty five thirty eight. He might with the deepest but if he t._c._u. Usually plays some semblance. It's a defense that they have a history of doing but they hadn't been. They've been pleading layton lately up twice at one year yeah ah here on our staff skill that a little t._c._u. and a trash man to measure quick quick. Let's just say okay you play at u._c._l._a. And quarterback roles will ball y'all running down the back end and quarterback roles of all the hit when you play within the heat we're talking to we close patti sir the life what was that i went back vowel this cool. I wish for valley. I wish all would ever do something like that. I've been in continual baker did he hung fifty like you won't do not have hill then. If you look at his post game interview on football he was not satisfied and i love. She couldn't even get them to smile. No glory was trying to ask him to stop premature either this sense of they can. I liked him more case already known terrible. Here's my prediction on coach saving your favorite coach yesterday yesterday. He was happy he was really. I think genuinely happy for jalen. He's going to get asked about jalen and again and by the end of the season. He's not gonna come across as so happy because home. Why am i talking about a guy. That's not in our program on a team that we're not gonna have the faith until maybe semifinal the desert championship game. You get there so yeah i would. I would get frustrated by that. Did you feel quarterback via. He had one fewer completion then touchdown talk about that and he didn't play the four crew predict a saint nick explosion this year at some point by the y'all be bothered me. I'll be trying to get him to ask him. When saving goes yeah i didn't see it. We work on sundays in days too busy doing what we're all he no because they believe he was better. Get ready for new mexico allstate because every time everytime jalen balza is the shot at alabama every no not a shot skilton he could be demand the man out the josh reggie. Maybe saint made a mistake if they bring they bring this. You gotta give credit because he's the number one threat quarterback coming out eh goals to a team where the guy had just took the team to the national championship one second away from winning the national championship ever to true freshman in to believe leave so what's in his ability where we give and jalen hurts credit it rightfully so okay. I'm better than him. <hes> i think but you also gotta think about the pride of his will. His pride is also online because how many players have left alabama to be successful somewhere else the next season. We haven't seen what a jalen father's side the other night on a._b._c. He say lincoln riley has unleashed my son well. That's a shot at alabama saying alabama. Didn't i know how to unleash hobo if you go to if i go to a program if i go to b._y._u. Back in the eighties and nineties. Why would i go there as a running back when they all right if you'll go to alabama that's why you don't get top rated quarterbacks true because if they play defense they run the football kate go there and said man. I didn't know they brung this. One ought to unleash in more ways. They have to work. I live here that may have been in the dirt nasty. Excuse me was hurting and you know it was hurting right and i stopped saying if you feel old jared judy oh jared j. o. J. he might be the most you can't tackle him and open-field spe- the size hands every when you start talking about he might be better at alabama julio and our mari ooh ooh ooh i just love this is the conversation we're already getting on the heisman. That's a good sign of what was going to see throughout the year <hes> reggie. You're going to stick around and talk zeke in a little bit about remembered. Check them out on big noon kickoff every saturday eleven am eastern on fox. We enjoy watching you guys all season long so our people people crowning patrick mahomes and the chiefs a bit too early from this guy a little old that well according to e._s._p._n.'s power index rankings the kansas city chiefs are the team to beat they are followed by the patriots saints and rams the power index the patrick mahomes and the chiefs just over a fifteen percent chance to win the super bowl and predicted ten wins for the team this season so shannon. Can you see mahomes and the chiefs winning. The super bowl. Yeah can't skip. I think they've made the most improvement <hes> you look at what especially defensively skilled i believe tyra matthew is they better is a bladder safety. At this juncture. The berry was and he's more versatile because not he's one of the few safeties that not only can play strong and free safety he covers. I was disliked. I believe for clock car is an upgrade over the ford. That's where they were hurting. It's your points 'cause pet mahomes although he might not throw fifty two thousand five thousand yards. He's not going to be all of a sudden throw thirty touchdowns. They've improved. I believe shady mccoy if andy drafted so he knows switch shady mccoy represent now he's been nicked up the last couple of years but i feel i think you have a new sense of urgency and he's perfect for this offense but when you try that tyreek he'll walk in the the young came from georgia hartman and travis kelsey yea you you're not taking nobody can try that out. No nobody because i believe they've made the most improvement. I believe they should be the favorite. Even though the patriots won the super bowl last year. Um i cannot disagree with your points. I cannot disagree that defense. Just has to be better last this year ranked thirty first in yards allowed twenty fourth in points allowed but still thirty first in yards allowed. It just has to be better than that an obviously you just rattled off all those weapons again. Do i think leshan has a lot left lovable sean but i don't think he has a lot left but whatever he has left. Andy will get out of here right. Andy loves him. Maybe to a fault. We'll see but again. I don't think he's going to change their life the way getting tyreek back. I didn't think they're gonna have talk and now they do and i think mccoll. Hardman is just a flat out burner destroyer. He's going to get his catches and place. It remembers as light rapid him because they thought they were going out tyreek. I agree still like sammy. How can you not like kills kelsey. Mike god what an array of weapons it which brings me to your guy mma homeboy. I am not completely sold. I'm going to dig in on this one okay. I think think he's going to have a much harder time in his so to speak sophomore starting season. He's obviously been there for a couple of years but it was just like the heavens open last year in an all turn to gold for him because it was the first time around first time around people seeing him and reminds me of the old phrase blissful ignorance once upon a time old time cowboy fans will remember when clint longley came in on thanksgiving day of nineteen seventy-four for threw a touchdown pass to save the day in the game against the rival redskins after roger staubach got knocked out in blaine guy pro bowl guard for the cowboys said after the game. It was a triumph of an uncluttered mind. That's what it was and i think patrick is gifted. His years had an uncluttered mind last last year because he had a coach who wants him badly to to be great because the coach put his pride and job on the line to trade up for him in the first game skipped. We've seen alex smith in this offense <hes> high. It can be very productive. Attacking the alex smith put up big numbers but alex smith didn't have the talent and that's why any was perfectly fine. He drafted him for reason so that tells you right there. They're not really sold on the incumbent skipped. You're not trading up in the draft and draft in any a position player. If you sold on the guy that's already at that position. He's a huge talent so his ability to throw the ball over the skill he got the name check down alex alex for reason pat mahoney border from you know put that obese although that name but if you were able patent paying that the taco tuesday check our what about then i will give you a t shirt deakin dogs that are you thinking indefinite. Ain't nothing happening not the last ten games last year. We had the fifth best air distance in the league on distance the passes thrown the math. How many games ten and including two playoff games would you know do patent to skip. Here's the thing now. I don't want people to think and i don't want you to think that mahomed boy doesn't throw fifty touchdowns and five thousand yards. He had an off season. He probably going to be in the high thirties. Maybe low forties would about forty five hundred uh-huh to forty eight hundred yards and people like he do fifty and five thousand. That's only been done. What's tom i mean payton. Manning anyway only got to throw fifty five yards brady's only got to have fifty thousand five thousand yards wrestling so it's not it's one hundred we've been playbook board of years now so it does not like that just rolls that you just roll out of bed and skippy spectacular. He has too many weapons for him to regress us as much as you seem to be concerned with because he has guide that he can dump it down to you charles rambo he has two guys now. Betty can dump the ball down to tarry and hartman and they can get gone. They can i agree but i did not love that i was hearing. He was practicing back to sing left hand. He practices in seven on seven. No look passes next thing. I know he'll be throwing them behind his back. We've got and he's starting to become come. A little bit of a caricature of himself in this league does not take well to that sort of behaviour news up about well. They will just jimmy that low tide. Keep talk but we got so what you got. You got that ends on see that end zone. Nobody's talking to you first preseason action. I watched a patrick mahomes does your he stunk it up and started thinking. Would we see some of these stretches and real games. Maybe he got back on so now. We you find out what is he made up. Does he have killer instinct. Does he have the clutch assassin in him. That tom brady has obviously him doing wounded. Does he will now. You've put him on the highest pedestal. I want to know is he better than tom brady in the clutch in december in foxborough borough how about that because in week fourteen they get to go back to foxborough where they lost last year. Noah get cold and kansas city it does comrade can tell you that i know i get. Hey played a lot of games and a couple of january game in kansas city skip kit special and he's done a great not ready to you say special. He can throw it like aaron rodgers. He's a transcendent. Throw the football and then what what else you got. Can you win. Football games not lately. We've never seen anybody. They do this all right. I mean we gotta go. You gotta go back to dan marino somebody that with a warning for starting a big number but kerr was like what twenty six twenty six twenty seven dan marino in the second year way with forty eight and five thousand. I still believe the super bowl. Yes i still believe that's the most impressive paseo history considering the rules how they worth pointing to receive and the quarterback and he did that but skill. This kid is special. He has special talent here. The has a unique set of skills and you're going to see this play and i ask you again candy. Play quarterback is level yes. I'm not you so it really yes. Some lose a playoff game at home hulo with the on the field of was not on the now. You told me when tom brady law's to ally will he gave his team the lead he was on the sideline when eli did what he did. I game all year that i saw patrick. Homeboy look confused again. That's bullshit but but he did. He looked confused. In that game numbers of times they went zone in the first half. They switched whitman and second eddie hit the hit him up with three thousand. No pigs okay and then. Tom brady shows you what it's all about what to do with homeboy homeboy he wasn't he will play. Who's better brady your mom's also restraint third and ten conversions how you do that. Oh you're standing. That's like impossible by what you're saying because he beating ally manning is the greatest because he's the only quarterback to take down. Tom brady twice that day now the day oh brazil but tom brady degraded day. Who do you want brady or eli lilly yeah tournament eighteen. Oh i won't be home. I'm telling telling you i'm waiting to see so okay right or wrong. Made is right if he beats. Tom brady on december fourteenth whenever they play great week fourteen game week fourteen or whatever you you say. You're gonna say he'd better than tom. He's got to play thirteen games before that. Let's see dozen those third. We've talked about it. Mm you based on one guy. I'm just saying i don't i'm not buying. We'll be matthew stafford beaten. Tom brady. I think you're as usual over react marcus mariota. Tom brady har- just because you tried to leap aboard this bandwagon after it was rolling. Oh he's my guy in your homeboy before the draft no okay. Would i try to get a bit. I said he's gonna be a v._p. Us like no you know something us all drew brees. Um i got my homeboy well. He's joining us on the baker bandwidth now being. Do you love bob shaking bagel. Do big things for us for nicknames awesome. You are an officially baker guy. If you're using us bagel bagels do will be thankful. That's a good sign. That is a good sign. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm johnny taft. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern see you then.

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Festive Football with Iron Mike

The Nat Coombs Show

1:06:25 hr | 2 months ago

Festive Football with Iron Mike

"Hello and welcome to the net group show on espn in association with that fred. You've all had a fantastic christmas. Certainly the football has lived up to the hype hasn't it what an amazing week. Sixteen there is so much to get into. We go straight out of business. And i'm delighted to say back on the show. The big bat. I'm mike mike. Great to see him at what listeners. Don't knows it's taken us about forty seven minutes to get set for the for the video. This with only slight exaggeration at least revisit in the road. Now that's good because we let rufus out but he's back in just to confirm that. Yeah well that was part of the amusement. Because i let it out neely came. Push the door open behind me and came in by my bounce. Lighting which i think is very hollywood in no Started to sink across the screen and it was. It was the lever. You use on it. Which looks like all kinds of other things. We don't need to go into but it's a family show speaking of. Which did you have a good christmas i did. I did like many of us very different to the usual but nevertheless lots of fun for sure and you got some good questions. bump mike mailbag and could some old school else might ones including one about leftover turkey. Which i'm gonna put your onset. So oddly enough. I just finished eating lunch with leftover ham because both both turkey and ham smaller quantities. I think it's about ask you. Who left over hamas a couple of years back at the right. Let's get down to business to get into. I might stop sunday night. Football another in performance from the packers and in particular aaron rodgers with respect. Aj well in that ground game going so based on what we know right now they clearly. The best team in football might no. I don't think so. They're playing a very good level. And and aaron rodgers is showing. Everybody that as i keep saying was saying last year. He was patrick mahomes before. Patrick mahomes was patrick bombs. Every now and again he tries to run. Just make the point. I think to to everybody but there is still. There are still very few quarterbacks who can drop a pass in the way he does is. We saw all those passes to devante jobs. Nobody else had more than three targets in that game the atoms. What thirteen And you know he he they will go. Obviously as far as he goes their defense had a good game plan for tennessee helped. I think by the fact that tennessee couldn't really adjust to what it was before the game or back and wednesday. I had actually gone along with by guys on another podcast in and said yeah. I like the titans getting points here. Because i think they could stymie green bay and they would as long as they didn't go behind quickly which is precisely will happen. Yeah and that's always the problem with them because they really do want to be a run first team but then when i looked yesterday afternoon and saw snow falling in green bay island. Yes 'cause i love football played in those conditions when oh hang on. I told people the titans were because as paradoxical it seems with you know you think with derrick henry you can just pound the ball out on the ground in slippery windy conditions but i thought it was. It would affect their past game a lot. I expected they'd probably run tannahill more than they did but i think they got up. Plus there was an incredible turnaround in this in a couple of other games. Had these one played and it was. It was the blocked field goal and up until that point. I had thought that the hayden hearst pass interference call where they called sorenson for interfering with aiden hearst when what i did was actually to give him a snap mare by his head flip him over his shoulder and they called sort of interference for reasons. I know who could look at it and and assume it was obviously one of the guys who are doing on on radio and that stage of course lots of things happening flying around from games games. So i saw it so the flag cooled and i was speculating which ways that flag gonna go. Offense is drudgery so yeah plus plus of course then you had the one in the in the colts steelers gotten to benefit of about five consecutive. Interference calls ordinance which also perplexed me but they they had one terrible one where the ball was tipped and they called interference when it wasn't even interference. If the ball wasn't tip but anyway going back to that. I thought the hey the hearst call was the worst call had seen all season and then they called the guy for off side on the block kick on the block. Field goal was hold by which which was here. I mean i think it was collins. Were just sort of said well. That's kind of borderline. You know which means how could they. Yeah you you know. You have the lines kind of hidden under snow. You've got the offense of blockers doing what you can do in the nfl which is to line up your front foot with the other guys back foot. Which means that by the time you get to the tackle you to feed off the off the line. Screw up more than two p your your yard. Off the line of scrimmage anyway and this guy wasn't over the ball as far as any replace could show. He didn't leave early. It didn't affect the play one way or the other. I understand that the guy would throw it. But if you're if you're the line's been in that position would you just say forty-six step back and let and let him step back. If you're worried about it that much. You know thought you commonsensical referees used to do when when when i played in college at least And i think they often do in the pros to. What do we do about this. Because you are explaining it very clearly it's inconsistent it's erratic officiating. This is a conversation that you and i have every year. So how do you fix what. What's the nfl need to do in my mind. The biggest problem is that there are rules. And then there are mike. Pereira interplay -tations of rules guidelines for the referee for the officials to go and most of them are ambiguous and value judgments or Judgment calls and the problem is that not only not only. do you have different interpretations. Different points of view. Literal points of view from where you're standing on the field as to what is missing the key phrase now becomes unfair advantage which i always argue is is just a complete misnomer because receiver and defensive back going up for ball are not unequal terms. One has to catch the ball. The doesn't unfair advantage doesn't mean you're both guys are hand fighting if both guys are hand fighting it's an advantage for one god not the other and doesn't this subjectivity. Need to be the not. Every rule is is black and white right so know to to extend it all it all. It always is but when it's programmed into the system what you get our calls to their dependent on the result dependent on the effect of what and then what you get are officials making calls based on the outcome not the process so the official doesn't necessarily even see the out the the process and then throws the flag based on the outcome. And that was the one in the indianapolis pittsburgh game because the guy tripped over the the trailer defensive back and he saw the outcome through the flag and then they said well. You know he tripped. He got his foot out in front. Or whatever and then. Philip rivers is on the sideline screaming. The ball was tipped. The ball is challenged it to do that but but that that to me was the definition of it is that you see the the effect of the the play. But you don't actually follow the play itself through and you know we go through process of the catch all that crap Every year in and it really makes no difference. You know the difference between possession control which is a moveable feast depending on what call you wanna make so i just get frustrated Especially when i see them all move in one direction during a game all right back to something like that issue notwithstanding so essentially just a kid a bit more on the pack is because they're in the boxing out in terms of the number one in the nfc and it was another fluent performance. Data game as you rightly say which many people thought would certainly be a lot closer than it ended up being against an impressive titans team studying impressive. Titans offense up to up to this game. So if you're not buying into the packers where the know weaklings. Yeah it's not that. I'm buying not that. I'm not buying for the question. Buy if they were the best team in football. I don't think they're the best team. Nfc best team in the nfc. But the saints are laboring. Now without michael thomas right. So maybe they're not maybe the packers have fast them. I think the saints defense is better than the packers defense on a more consistent basis the game i would like to see. Most i think right now is the packers and seattle because although seattle's played very well the last five weeks or so. They haven't faced a quarterback who gets the ball downfield and and when they did which was josh allen. They gave up forty four points and lost. So i'd like to see how they fare against rogers And i don't begrudge green bay home field advantage. Because i love seeing games played at lambofield specially in january to start especially when the nfl put smart as the last game of the game at night when it's twenty degrees colder than it would have been if they played at one o'clock. Then we're about the defense because you mentioned tannahill that side of the game integral to to the titans In terms of competing with the team like green bay eleven. Twenty four hundred and twenty one botanical one touchdown and two picks he was out of sorts. How much of that was down to. The pack is and how much of that was down solano just having an off night. A lot of it was down to the packers d. They got they had really good coverage deal. They weren't they weren't They didn't miss out on anything. Tennessee tried to do For for the most part and they had Savage an engineer. Alexander are they each had you know broke up three passes While savage had one interception but This the same thing applies and they. They rushed the they they basically. The only way to tennessee was going to beat them was to run. Derrick henry and henry didn't have a gain over. I think it was ten yards and he needs to have a couple of those big bust out game so they did really good job on that. I might patent. I often think place guessing games with his defensive game plan and tries to outguessed the offense and sometimes guesses wrong and you know everybody does that to an extent but he seems to do it a lot and so i i just thought they had a really good game plan and the passing game especially in the first half was really simple stuff to be honest he would. They were sending receivers just out on on site of sideline slant routes and then bringing and bringing back down the field behind them and to be honest tennessee. Had derrick henry. Going out of the backfield a couple of times where he was open antenna hill. Didn't you know went to another receiver and you would think getting henry the ball with little head of steam grass. Not grasp but snow in front of him would be a good idea. Yeah what do you make of eight dylan mean. It was a breakthrough night. Fame hundred and twenty four yards and two scores but So clearly the future is looking bright. But what do you make of dylan is at the lights. I liked to mit boston college and he he'd be a good fit for the ravens. Say as well that kind that kind of running game. So he's a perfect back for those conditions. You know he's big. He's straight ahead runner. He's got a little bit of shifting to him. And you know when you when you spell era. Aj jay or judge. Aaron jones with him you know you have. Aj dylan yeah. Aj joe jr. It's like it's like the so. I liked him a lot. I was surprised he hadn't played more this season. But you know they like. They like to have aaron jones. Jamal jamal williams is the as the change of pace sky too. Yep yeah. I royal st this question about eleven years ago back in the five hundred four days but who was your favorite member of the team told me to whether it be hannibal or murdoch was the woman's name. I can't remember mike. okay. I mean you know Pity the food. Doesn't like no ray mr mr ed all right. Let's go to this. That was an incredible turnaround for for the steelers. Dead and buried of course going into that game on a real tilt losing three on the bounce offense completely misfiring they're all these stats flying around that the steelers offense hadn't scored less than twenty points in four straight games since the sixties and this stage of proceedings. Of course that is not the direction you want to be trending in after the first off. We thought might go. Does this this season coming pretty much to an end and then everything turned around. So what changed. Well i mentioned the officiating. Which i think and you always hate to say this because it makes you sound like a fan with sour grapes. But i'm not a colts fan. And i'm not anti steelers but i just thought. The officiating made a huge difference in that. In that second half what. Pittsburgh did eight a well was to go downfield for the first time in five games. Four games or whatever you know an and once you did that it. It had a Beneficia- beneficial effect on everything else because yes it forces the defense To to account for people d- that's being radio when you look at the steelers offense this season the last few games not not was before the cops notwithstanding right they have been effective but with the short passing game primarily right then people will say this is another one of those things. We're hearing another one veteran quarterbacks whose arms gone doesn't have the depot but that didn't seem to be the case against the call studying the second one. I think they were doing that specifically because they were. It wasn't ben's arm. I think they were afraid. They're all line. Couldn't protect him enough right and and with rothlisberger. The problem is that he's gonna stand there and take a beating if you can't you know and try to make plays and therefore make turnovers and they don't have much of a running game the at which again i think the lines just not as effective as you would expect it to be so. They decided they would use the short past inc and dunk kind of offense to replace their running game and help protect ben and the biggest problem with that is if you that kind of offense you cannot afford to make many mistakes because you know all all all of a sudden you're You find yourself in In third and six and you pick up five on a slant or whatever plus his receivers were dropping just a ton of wa weekend and week out. Diontae johnson and eric ebron between them looked like they were. They were trying to play basketball. Get that dribble take the past and get the dribble down so yeah so that that was. That was a problem and deontay was coming up. Lame in this game And partly the. He's got a penalty because of that By claypool was being taken out of game when they tried to use him deep and they managed to get him get him back in. I think and i think he's going to be really good. One he looks looks the real deal. It never told that would get in the end zone as well. After after the week he had. You must have thought. I was ridiculous. Mike the fact that he's doing that all season long and nobody nobody mentions it. A total certainly doesn't mention it in any negative fashion than the moment they lose and there was a highlight. Reel play where juju gets boston. Suddenly he's the cause. The root of all the problems with the state has an arrogant after eating all of the would say talking clowns yapping away bleacher report push this out yesterday a given week that he had an essay and it made me the criticism that he had He cleared twenty five. K with of layaway. For christmas gifts in essential for one hundred and seventy families last week and paid for christmas gifts. Two hundred kids Juju smith schuster. That's the kind of stuff you should be reporting about place. Like not what he's doing on tiktok before a game. Hey onto the game. It's a good point to thanks. Steve is d because it would give them credit and tj what stepping up again to more sacks for him. He's now sack leader in the nfl. Fifteen on the years. He's gonna to be defensive. Mvp conversation as well and it's worth pointing out. That is against a strong indianapolis offensive line. It'll be a little bit banged up but nevertheless a decent offensive line. The final seven offensive possessions from the colts mike punt field goal pump punt punt. Pick turnover on dancer that the status law credit for this. Yes they do. And cameron heyward to me is is the key that that defense And he's been noticed now. He's in all the all pro projections and he's been picked for the pro bowl and stuff like that is one of those guys you keep saying. He's underrated you know. And then all of a sudden people start noticing him and and then it becomes like he's overrated because everybody thinks underrated occur. But but that. That's that's always been the base of the steelers defense and i was thinking about a lot because kevin greene died this week. And right i wrote about him on my background column but you know the guys at the outside. Linebacker spots are in the glory positions because they get the sacks but it's the three upfront that are crucial to the to their ability to get sacks and pittsburgh can afford to often put. Tj watt in a position. Where the only guy who's going to block them as either tight end or back which is gives him a huge advantage. You don't not. i'm not. I'm not saying anything to downgrade. Tj wants not just but but yeah but that's the way the system works there and and whoever was doing that game was really whoever was the color guy on. That game was really accurate in the in the sense that he was explaining. Exactly when pittsburgh would begin to apply the blitz pressure in the second half and at what point when the clock drew certain point and he was pretty accurate on it and you know and and they simply wanted a little bit tighter each time on each ensuing possession until you reach the point when you know that they've got to pass and then then philip rivers negative points work against him because he's not the most mobile guy you know. He's got great pocket awareness. But he's not he's like banned. He's not that not that mobile anymore and he's willing to take a hit to make a play and of course he made a couple of bad place in the last quarter because he took it says he was he was throwing. Yes show on the game china's well with the his first turnover. I fumble anywhere in many wild so the steelers clinched the division with that and extraordinarily given the way other results went. And we'll get into the playoff race now. The colts out of the hunter the moment severe ten five. The browns the ravens the fins and the titans so it is all to play for all is not lost. Certainly for indy. But this is how it shakes out the fins of buffalo in buffalo the ravens are in cincinnati the browns of course play the steelers and the colts needs to the jags which is highly another jackson looked in the number one spot so have have got nothing to play for. One of those three teams loses so Could really twist and turn in the final week of the season at. Don't put you on the spot. Mike because there are a lot of different factors here and we're recording this monday and injuries could play a pop but assuming they're an dramatic injuries. Cleveland ask whether covet issues where you know. An entire unit or or quarterback goes down. Then who's got the toughest break. The fins at buffalo depends on what happens with monday night football. That's that's the problem is is buffalo. Could be sitting at twelve and three Without anything really to play for right because the city's untouchable in that top seed teams. And you can't even work with the idea that well. I want to stay here because then i get to play team ex. Yeah because you don't know who that is going to be because the way of everything will play out. So i don't have a by just on that mike because it is interesting the obviously the number two seed doesn't get anymore right so you looking at resting place. It's a great point you make. You can look at kind of tactical well. We'll sit these guys out for a couple of quarters maybe the whole game because With fine with playing it. Take the nfc for example. If you look at getting the five spot so you get play the winner of the east. That's probably the most preferable matchup there. So you kind of get that but as you say in the afc that isn't a factor but with the lack of a bye week. A coach is going to be resting place. Anyway that's yeah you you've you've base create. Just what i was going to say. I always thought if you're getting a bye week. It was a bad idea to rescue players in week. Seventeen because then. Now you're two weeks to remove from from actually playing and especially when you're you've got a certain amount of momentum whether or not you believe in it you know going but now without that i think pittsburgh in particular would-be a case for resting players you know and Buffalo matz. I'm not so sure but but they wouldn't have much to lose you if you do if you do that. Kansas city presumably is going to rest players against the chargers. But that doesn't that doesn't affect anything or the other. So cleveland pittsburgh. If cleveland win they go to the playoffs. Yeah so the steelers might do it just out of spite that cleveland edge shrida. I'm tempted to say cleveland's team and it's not gonna make the playoffs because you know baker mayfield was reverting back to previous form again against the jets. Are you surprised though. I mean given what the had to deal with that he had a bad game they had they had no wide receivers. I mean it was a couple of guys off the practice squad and someone who went by the stadium wins. They get the game going off because they were banged up on the line as well which had had an impact there. But i think that surprised a lot of people that they didn't look at chabot. Kareem hunt tall right so it was just a you know a woeful ramp performance from the browser yet. They still had a shoulder winning it. So whether we get carried away with baker's implosion there. I mean it's not surprise it. it's ceased. He remains a bit unpredictable and they need to have the weapons for him to you know to to give him some. He's not really creator in that sense right you know. And we've seen what not having good receivers can. Do you know two quarterbacks. Although i note isaiah ford who the patriots seventh round draft to miami for then cut and went back to miami and he's had two games in a row for the dolphins. And so you know. It's a question of judgment. The team i think is in the most danger. I don't think many teams will wanna play miami has. They're so good defensively. They're they're are tough out. Brian flores makes them a tough out defensively but it wasn't a great the to got another win you know. Let's talk about this but the team that nobody will want is baltimore. Baltimore would be the team eliminated from that seven. That would be a shame because they've rounded into good form now really have i mean they absolutely cruising right now and on both sides of the ball. Formidable opponent the dolphins less so does she said defensively amongst the strongest in in the conference. But the offense is still a problem and the quarterback situation. Is that a problem. This this concept of bringing fits in as a closer i understand. The logic vindicated that the cool to do that but mike. I can't buy into this idea. That too is fine with it. It's okay he understands what we're doing here. It must be effecting cited. That i don't know i don't know if i think floors is a really good coach. A of ways including management and i think if if you sit down with him and say you're in a learning curve and is going to be situations where you need. You still need to learn. And i mean fits through for twice as many yards. Yeah in half as many passes. It wasn't like it was tearing things up. And you know. And that's a very specific situation when you have what nineteen seconds to get into field goal range and a veteran quarterback who's who's been known for those kind of situations fits may not be the guy to get you through all season but you know sometimes see his just what's what's the word. Willingness to put it up there to comes through and would have seen the open receiver. Would he have known that that guy was excuse me was. It's going to be there to take the pass. I don't know and so i you know i think they're they will manage it okay and to as the starter i don't expect fits will be back unless someone else makes him an offer As a backup if anyone's gonna make. But if you wanna talk like what keeps should do a quarterback's. The paucity of free agent quarterbacks at the moment is outstanding as well because tweets on that. So we'll get into. Let's dive into and find him. But just while i'm doing that just to follow up on on the on the to get it completely at a seitz vindicated and i appreciate. The situation is fundamental and that that particular situation very much. So but i guess the broad sense of the games on the line. We need someone to win it. I think yes. He's needs to the nfl all through his playing career since he's being a superstar that has been given the game to win into lead his and i don't think in particular quarterback is bound to be affected by the concept of well. We're gonna get hand the keys to this guy to get us over the line rookie. When when they did it with two to jalen hurts in the national championship game. Right against clemson hurts transferred out to oklahoma. So maybe maybe to us to transferred oakland. I mean that's you know your professionals. And i know there's a lot of coaches who wouldn't handle it well but i. I really have faith in brian flores and his ability to to handle such things Well i think. I think too is knows this himself. You know it's not like he stepped in lake. Justin herbert or even or even joe burrow you know an and on a bad team thrown for two hundred fifty three hundred yards every week you know. He stepped into a pretty good team. And i wouldn't say he struggled but he has dominated for sure. Yeah i think that's hey. Listen you mentioned the quarterbacks the quarterback carousel. Let's get into that because we got some good questions. Andy robson as asking about dwayne haskins. He'll end up next catholic. You are great. Place called the golden goose near la risk. Were all the basketball players. Used to go. Sounds like sounds like a very nice restaurant on mike jordan. Says you see matt. Stafford matt ryan and jimmy g. jimmy garoppolo of course holding the qb one positions at their respective teams next season ended a more for the rodeo five teams about his so Go motto stop caring asks. What are the jets do now. They've lost out on trevor lawrence. Is donald done enough for them to entertain trading bats that. I think it's one of the key questions to this whole thing because in one sense they're like a line of dominoes will fall as i said. There aren't many free agent quarterbacks available who you would want to start dako obviously would be the best one. Y- you hard to think dallas will let him go one way or the other even if they wind up. Franchisee of jamus is only twenty six years old. There might be a team who think that they can turn him around Is that they gotta go with him. Then the saints assuming that guy that's the backup w- well we'll see know. Suddenly you would. You would think. I i don't see i don't see mrs being a great fit for what sean payton wants to do. In fact i would say he might be a better fit for sean payton than than mrs although it's cold out and he hasn't given it didn't give jefferson look great when not real that he had the game where he was the number two and then they brought tastes tastes him. And you know you've got joe flacco tyrod taylor rivers. Who's thirty eight. You got fits. Who's thirty eight. you got. Nate sud felt the name to watch because he hasn't played enough to turn anybody off. Why do we up from the eagles third guy. On the eagles i watch chased through eight. Peterman's going to be a free agent by the way. Of course dalton. I think we'll probably have folks offers. He's done well and cam. Newton might right He's he's only thirty. One only in football term quarterback terms seasonal blaine. Gabbert is looked okay to when he came in. Yeah yeah but he's he's thirty one as well so then the question is that will backups. Really that not one of those guys. You mentioned who roger. sherman mentioned have backups. Who can come in and start. So joyce statuary rosen. Who who's the niners. Could try to get through with nick mullins or cj beathard. Who's also free agent next year if they had to but they don't want to. Obviously i don't know why you would think they would move away from jimmy g. Apart from his brittleness His injury the well. He got to the super bowl last year. And my argument is that if he hadn't been concussed by that hit from neiman called they might have. They might have done a little bit better. We'll the critics say they didn't. He didn't make that critical play. And that's the difference. You've got to cut cousins level quarterback that will keep you competitive in the regular season. get to the playoffs. And maybe that's fair. Enough and cousins is probably a pretty good comparison. But he's also a guy who can can run in the structure of chiral. Carol shanahan's offense probably better than kirk cousins. Could you know. And so. I can't see them being in a hurry to move. Move away from those guys. Because they're in the plan. B isn't there Looking at the draft lawrence obviously is going to go to the jags and he will probably pretty obviously be the starter from day. One which is bad bad situation for him depending on what happens jacksonville's rest of jacksonville's draft and and who they bring in his coach assuming they move away from doug marrone. Who's success with. Quarterbacks is already well documented on that mike with the jags locking locking down trevor lawrence. That automatically makes jacksonville as a potential landing spot. All the more attractive for the very very top candidates doesn't it he might have looked at gig before lawrence like if somebody like the enemy. For example i can go and work with this generation. I think. I think that's a that's a fair point especially for an offensive minded coordinator I think jacksonville will have to avoid a defensive minded coordinator unless he brings along or makes them hire someone. You could trust the development of an extremely talented quarterback. And i like laura. I like lawrence better than either herbert or borough coming out of college. I think he's got all the tools. I don't see an easy pick a number two guy in this draft. I'm not convinced by fields. I have looked at you know in great detail but from everything i've seen both before and after trade he somewhere between sort of jalen hurts. Jake fromm. I don't see amazon like an automatic top of the first round kind of guy last year i thought trae lance was that guy but lance hasn't played this year and he played the year before north dakota state in his only year and that's a huge jump as we've seen with carson wentz who had a much better portfolio behind my. I think i thought yet. Last year that that lance might be better than when soon and he still might be. But we don't have any go by based on this year And going through the rest of the there. Aren't that many other candidates who you could expect to to even play their rookie year. Much less step in as a starter. So so you're really talking about. Only a few people available for those quarterback needs and none of them are immediately preferable to matt stafford apart may be from jack You know matt ryan same deal So what what are you going to do. I and i think someone asked run. A questions we had was do they. You draft a guy to develop. And i think that's exactly what you do and you know you might be able to get a guy in in the end of the first round like like land. Say or in the second or third round who you can develop into a player but you know the the hit rate on first round quarterback is not that much greater than the hit rate on on developmental guys. Second third rounds. You know. it's a good point. Th-the the christie and ponder effect as they pose but my conham on this specifically on the jets and that was gold medal stopped. Caring tweet about donald. It was interesting to note that when the jets one and the cameras were going down the sideline showing how much it meant to the players. San on of was was the most vocal at no surprise to poison. This the worst thing they could do is keep him was going to say. Okay me out for a minute. Because i'm suggesting that going to do this. But when we see a team with a losing record and an object season one of the things we often hear is well they might be losing but the team's ready playing for inside coach's name hip whatever you think of gays what we've seen over the last two weeks and the reaction to that win yesterday shows that that blamed for something that you're a dolphin superfan right right when the patriots lost on the last second. Play the lobby right. The miami miracle did that make you want them to keep adam as the coach fast. But it's our bullet. Just got the big upset win. It's a point. I guess but but no one's making i guess i guess. The ship has sailed at and t much damage has been done by by off the field but that was making the point that hey with the jets bombing at the moment. It's a team is obviously lackluster. In terms of talent has put together two wins and is this hustler. It's gonna be interesting because this is presumably a joe. Douglas decision and joe. Douglas might well think gazes. Okay you know he. He may think that he engaged. Together can rebuild. The there is some talent on the jets. They still have a few good players on the defense. You saw joel joe. Douglas was willing to let jamal adams. Go ahead and pick up for that. They have draft picks. They've got a lot of cap space. So i always think and it depends not on whether you think sam darnold is going to be better than trevor lawrence or whatever and i keep going back to that quarterback draft and saying it's weird. How all those guys. Continue to be the guys. We thought they were coming out of college. They've lived up to their scouting reports. Apart from josh allen now who is clearly moved a step beyond what he did what he did in college. He's learned bit how to how to throw with more accuracy. And but darnold was a guy who would make big plays and make bonehead errors. And it's still the he's still the same guy. You know who who didn't necessarily see everything really well at usc but you know but could make those could make big place on. The sea mentioned situation is critical. Of course travelers is going to go into an opportunity. Great one if he lands in jacksonville if donald had gone to a more competitive teams they. Donald gone to miami type situation for example. You know where they were a contender. Certainly not a woeful team would would his trajectory of being similar or do you think he that stability would have made the. That was the point. I was building up to. I think was that you have to decide what his overall utility is. And whether you're better off sticking with him and building a team around him that can get the best out of him you know. Build an offensive line. That will protect him so that he's not throwing in panic all the time we'll offense of line will give him time to throw so you're receivers can take the pressure off him. You're running game can take the pressure off him. Build a defense. That means you're not chasing twenty one point leads all the time and and having to throw and that's a philosophy that you know a number of teams have okay. Our guys good. You know He's not world-beating but we you know we can win the super bowl. If you have a really great defense you can win it with brad. Johnson or Joe flack yes macho cycle treadle. Trent dilfer on. Or jared goff right. I mean this is this is. Yeah or jared goff. And i think darnold's it's consistency. I was gonna say you know you mentioned kirk cousins. Before he could be a kirk cousins could become a little more consistent. And you know. Can you get to a super bowl with kirk cousins. You probably can. I think the vikings came pretty close to it a couple years ago. But do you want to spend eighty million dollars on them to do no well. This is what the on. Let's get to that this situation to or the situation of the apple because the seattle seahawks clinched the division with that wind. Jared goff was getting vilified for his performance it transpired that he had his thumb and back in does that word come from aston villa supporters quite conceivably yash but the the gulf situation is interesting. It looks like he will play in week. Seventeen is certainly suggesting that he's doubtful right that they right in the mix right now so looking at the playoff picture here. The rams full two nine and six. It's it's a winning in for them in arizona they're nine ninety six arizona's eight and seven. Yeah exactly so. They beat the cardinals. They're in but they could also get in the rams if if they can lose zona and the bears win so if the packers beat the bears the rams will still get in if they. Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah so the bears would be eight nate however the bears if the rams win and the bears win the bears will get intimate nate. Exactly right. yeah that's it so so you'll have a team from the nfc east at seven to nine at the best. That's the best and bears. Nate nate both in the play offs. It's great. let's add another team to the playoffs. Let's talk about the seahawks defense because that's being a hammered for much of the season but is starting to credit where credit's g riot. I mentioned that before you know. Because they haven't faced down a downfield thrower of any and to me did at say. The the thing was jamal adams had to adjust to what they play and he learned it really quickly. but he's still he's still is somewhat of a liability deep. And especially when you don't have an earl. Thomas has your one deep safety He's in the kam chancellor role. Basically quandary digs. I guess is the most of the time the the single deep was good but but they're not being if you can't threaten them downfield adams can play up near the line of scrimmage and he gets his sacks he's he's like a fourth linebacker which is what you want in that system and he's played. Well i mean you know. He's been worth been worth the price that they paid. I would say so that so the question questions when they play someone with a good downfield passing. They've held they've they split the season with the rams but they held him to twenty three or twenty seven. I think the game they lost it wasn't like the rams went crazy on them so You know that's why. I'd love to see them. Play the packers right in the playoffs. I think it'd be at that would be a really great matchup. Playoff teams have been looking at it. I mean okay. Brady could shut those critics up to suggest. He doesn't have down field all many more. Obviously arians arians likes to go that direction but the rest of them. You know the saints. That's not how the bill washington similarly right at the baz. It really is that that will be the mismatch. As far as seattle as you rightly. Say against aaron rodgers and davante adams and the pack is what about the seahawks offensive line. Mike is. that's a big problem isn't it. yeah and somewhat less so than it was you know previously but they want to be a running team. They want you know they're not even they're not they're not even as concerned with pass pro as they probably should be because they know russell wilson can keep plays alive on his own even if the line collapses so right wanted to build an at run blocking line There were a couple of plays where chris carson looked like the chris carson of old in yesterday this weekend but and with the k. Metcalf wilson's got a target that he doesn't have to necessarily place the ball in perfectly each time which is the perfect thing for guy who's throwing on the run a lot so offense they can. They can keep themselves. The old formula was keep the game close with defense and then russell win it for us in the last seven minutes now i think they can actually keep themselves ahead in games. Make the other team. And that's that's what pe-. Carol loves is a defensive. Coach is like most defensive coaches we he wants to be a place where he can t off on you with pass russian and coverage to to me. The interesting thing is whether you want. There's there's there's kind of like two questions is whether green bay rest against the bears. Which i don't think they should do. Because they've got the week off anyway afterwards. And then whether the rams start woodford. Who was the second best quarterback in the af the alliance of american football. He played letter k. Meet garrett gilbert was the best in yard so we i mean he's not he's legitimately and nfl backup say meet be lacks a big arm. He's not very big himself He s is what you're saying hanneke lacks arm. Okay look pretty last night. I remember the last. He's heady kid. But but it wasn't. Until i actually watch watch him play at the upper level. I realized just how bad his arm was so a good display a picture in the nfc. Mike i'm the bad it's gonna wind up our friend but isaac's sporting because adam schefter reporting that it looks like both matt nagy and mitchell trubisky be at soldier field for for another year particularly if they make the playoffs right so it is bitter sweet because most bears fans what does he the back of both of them yet. But it's been interesting watching them the last couple of weeks because they are sort of doing what you would have thought they would have been doing from the start with mitch trubisky. He's become a kind of rollout. Rollout quarterback a lot of play action of few run pass option kind of place but a lot of rolling out you just getting out of the pocket trying to trying to force defenders commit in the middle ground and then lofting balls over them and stuff so i you know it's taken a long time to get there but i admire the the effort that you know that they've put in to to do that and i agree again. You go back to that same situation. The devil you know against the w. don't right you know do you. If you get rid of nagy do have to get rid of trubisky as well or vice versa. If you get rid of trubisky and keep him. Who does he coach you know. is nick. Foles your quarterback. No who we already know that. Someone pointed out the interesting thing about the quarterbacks who have beaten brady and super bowls and how there are relatively unimpressive list whereas the best quarterbacks that he's faced have loss to standing the right because he's got the hall of fame. We don't want to have that discussion now in the current issue of gridiron which is really good. Christmas issue and i did a couple of pieces on on families in football families. Yeah you know father on brother accommodations and stuff like that The the guy who does the Sort of statistical analysis did a hall of fame breakdown and said allies an utter certainty to get into the whole thing i wrote. I wrote the editor letter. Say do you want my next column. Oh boy so. The bears solicitors playoff picture. The bucks have clinched a playoff. Whatever happens right at ten and fives the ramsey. I think i think they're locked into the fifth seed that looks. Oh it's the fifth as well. Which is i read that somewhere. I'm not sure it's correct. Good news for them. Because that play the winner of the nfc east who's going to be who marketed the cowboys. Looking the best bet. Now it's funny if philadelphia could have just one more game scenario would have been great because they if if they had beaten washington That they would finished like six nine in one and everybody else would have finished six and ten. It would have iron. Mike's law of ties. I best tiebreaker would have applied but philadelphia's the only team out of it and and i guess i guess what a what it boils down to washington and if they go in and if they don't then the winner of the giant dallas game we'll go in at six ten. I think that's correct I don't think either of those teams hold a tiebreaker. Over over w t.f but i think washington deserve it in in a sense And i guess. I guess i'd rank them washington dallas and then new york in terms of deserve acidy for the way they're playing. Now i think ryan rivera's done a pretty good job based on what he's got there. They have to work out the quarterback situation I think i think joe judge has done a good job in new york which doesn't have a whole lot of talent On the offensive side of the ball. The ball daniel jones remains another. These guys whose you know like what are you gonna do what he was when he came out of college. Stay with him for another yet. I think they have to be honest. You know it's just how do you teach guy pocket presence you know. And that's that's one of the things. The questions i have with like fields with jalen hurts. Say some guys have it but when you play in these college offenses that make you read simple. And if that reads not there you take off. You don't get that sense of fairness and some of the guys who are less mobile learn it by by default because you have to And if they're really good they learned to take the one or two steps in the pocket that keep them clean and and get the throwaway As opposed to scrambling but the ones who don't learn it wind up getting killed in the pocket. It's it's difficult difficult process there. You know. I mean we had a question from someone. Asking is dan snyder. Yes so much goes. Yeah i was going to wrap things up with the mavericks with three questions. Haven't touched on yet. i'm going to get into a couple of football at one. Ask mike the which. I think us you promo that at the top of the show i gave a little little Tasted for that one no pun intended said joshua joshua says this is dan snyder though worst owner this century it's a low bar century at least narrow this down because you really got some winners from the last century merit but in this. The problem with during the the thing with dan snyder is that he's actually stayed away from the team to a pretty good extent. Now the the other side of that was. He had bruce allen in charge for far too long. And let bruce allen enforce out people who are more talented than himself their front office his competition would probably jimmy has lem Who also is kept a low profile in terms of interfering with the team lately and also had lots of problems and then some of the legacy boys a jim irsay with the colts again left the team to the gm has kept a low profile. Mark davis with the raiders. I particularly dislike guys who move teams to places where they probably shouldn't move them. Vegas might come dean spanos. The latest spanos in san diego to And what you get generally as you get this long kind of consistent mediocrity not necessarily bad but not not nestle very good. I mean woody johnson. You got with the jets who was inflicted on this country as basseterre for a couple of years which which didn't seem to affect the jets one way one way or the jed york i think you might and then there's mike brown and mike brown's the most interesting case because mike brown's the one who inherited the team obviously from his father but is the only owner in the. Nfl continues to run the team as his means of making a living he and the entire family. It's a family operation which is like the old days so i'm hesitant to put him in the same category. Although you could argue that the priority has always been to keep making a living at the expense of the product put on the field and they you know for him the ideal situation where those years with marvin davis where he could put a competitive team out every year that would dive in the first round of the playoffs and it always kept the hope there for the fan base judges off the back of it. But yeah but you didn't have to spend big. Marvin lewis was very very good at putting together a team without any you know without a whole lot of money such a good point ed think remember for for years it was if not li lowest always boughten three lowest budgets in in the nfl and yet they were competitive that carson palmer furlough of that right and yeah tj shot and then you saw you saw the real reality and situation was when they let carson palmer. Go refused refused to play to pay and raise. Yeah okay good stuff. Thanks for that question. Joshua he's one firm the five yard rush crew shot to them. Doug peterson survive in philly after going. Thirteen eight hundred and of course that one since the super bowl. That's a really good question because there will be an awful lot of sentiment. I think in the ownership to keep him because he did do a good job there. But there'll be an awful lot of sentiment to get rid of him in philadelphia where the where the Sports media is probably the most vicious in in the country And they'll be. I think in the middle ground they'll be people saying well without frank reich. There he's not the offensive mind. People thought he was reich. is i think. Almost indisputably a a more creative guy who's been able to work with the parts that he has a better and he would be an interesting thing to see if they let carson wentz if if indianapolis would become interested in carson wentz based on reich's time with carson wentz the problem being. He carries a huge salary cap hit next year. And that's gonna it's gonna make it hard to trade not impossible and philip and it's what you do philip rivers. He's only on a one year. I is a fascinating idea. When's going but yeah. I think peterson's probably gone but there will be a lot of people who point to the eagles injuries. The eagles are an injury nightmare every year. Yeah as bad as any team in the nfl. I think so. Maybe the strengthening conditioning coach well. It's also factor of having a lot of old old old higher priced guys on the offensive line. You don't wanna move on from because they're really good players but at some point you have to show just sean jackson didn't wanna play play play. That's been to shawn watson one play guy nowadays. Yeah right and unfortunately injured for most of most of the rest of it all right one for the road bike and this is the us mike rebe from the light night appreciate night most important question that is being asked on this podcast mike just to be clear. What's the best way to use. Leftover turkey is sandwiches curry or something else. I know best way grasshopper the way to use the bird is all of those and more. That's what makes turkey so good. Turkey is so flexible because esther versatile because it it doesn't dominate. Anything you can do with it what you want. I always would make a turkey curry. I probably wind up big a turkey. Stir fry you know at some point kentucky sandwich and make turkey soup turkey soup. You need to make stock from from turkey and make turkey supe and the sandwiches the best meal christmases leftovers right. So you it's it's basically the christmas. It's kind of like the the allies of american football version of christmas. Dinner you know. It's the leftover turkeys. Some mashed potatoes turnips. There you don't eat gravy gravy all over everything and then eat it all down but the next meal which is the turkey sandwich is actually the best meal. Pop thaw competes with christmas. Dinner or thanksgiving dinner itself. And that's the need good bread for it and something is sour dough bread chica- chapada stone bay kind of baghdad. All that kind of stuff and you have turkey helps right. you have the mayo and cranberry sauce. Which would be unthinkable when you yourself status stuffing you need to have stuffing on it Especially if you put some raiders stuffing so it gives it some crunch and then maybe some maybe a mashed potatoes if you know if their leftover sabia pig. Sandwich sliced tomatoes. Yeah it's a big sandwich. You get your fattest relative to sit on it putting putting your cutting board between them and the sandwich so you're not actually of course to protect both sandwich and trousers and and that's it and that's and gravy gravy it you know so. The question is whether you eat it like this or whether you do. It's kind of like open sandwich with the with the gravy poured over it in and he just you gotta talk getting in into the top caller. Just have that out. What else bid by another another good one is a turkey melt where you melt cheese on top of the turkey sandwich in hungary stroz some onions in their law. Sold on that. You sold me on that you missed. I said my way. You'll be you bring pretend like on mustache pete. I was watching for some reason. I was watching the scene in the godfather. Where we're michael kills solazzo and and sterling hayden. I'm trying. I can't remember what his name is. The police captain corrupt police captured and the best part of that scene is the ways totally concentrates. Completely on what he's eating and has the napkin stuffed in this when he shot. It's like it's it's so good. When you gotta go you gotta go amiss remembering that the sopranos episode where they go over to italy and i don't know if whether poorly tucks his not kidding in way but he definitely says it was the gravy with getting faster tallied look. Ab disbelief cracked up. Like here's a good video. Let me recommend while we're on the culinary subjecting this you'll cut it. I'm sure but we can. If he does. We can bring it up next week. Definitely not buttigieg. There's a great video of some italian woman making a bully sauce outdoors with with what looks like a a bucket that has a flame in it and using that as as the stove And it is actually the best spaghetti sauce recipe. I've seen maybe follow the recipe followed. It a worked beautifully the first time and I'm not a big fan anyway. It's a spot. I've done it With eggplant. I've done it with sausages and it's just the bay sauce you'll see as quite as simple idea but i. I always put carrots in my with your that. We saw but they they cook. She cooks the men right right away. and she makes a really thick Mess which is then only lightened at the end with the Pasta water and it works fantastic and then you stir the pasta into the sauce. Oh interesting and it sticks to the pasta brilliantly. It's it's fantastic. Well if you google google old. Italian woman making search her mother. She's about ninety years old and she's very careful. Google we will do that. is you. Want mike old italian sauce. 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Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, Steelers, & QB rankings

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, Steelers, & QB rankings

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The Los Angeles where on iheartradio NFL Salon the legend Stud Muffin Al Michaels the ageless Al Michaels in one hour from now. You're listening on radio the voice itself great voice to the American Sports of my lifetime joy tanner joining me as well got a green bay packer kind live green thing going on too little eagle. It's actually actually you know what Bill Eagles. It's closer to the eagles. I like it a lot and you've got your nineteen beanstalk fifty eight glamorous Hollywood hairstyle I think you can do. I've never I've never ever met a person who has every day a different look. Look it's the sheen she's she's an amazing hair sal. She has both our hair everyday and job. Yeah mine's Gray and floppy. There's not much to do here. It's great to have a part part of the show so tomorrow night. It is one of it'll be really the best game. This weekend is actually on Fox tomorrow night. Yes it's Carson. wentz Aaron Rodgers their kind of similar guys little bit baggage. We don't know they always get along with teammates. We think they're great but should win little more but I think it's very fascinating with Aaron Rodgers. I don't think this is a huge game for Aaron Rodgers. you know they're undefeated. Defeated Aaron could lose its Okay Carson Wentz a very big game but I for for about eight to ten years Aaron Rodgers and I judged this a lot got me to a television genset when I wake up on Sunday morning who gets me to a TV set and Aaron Rodgers and Tom. Brady and I said this before Tom's better Erin was more fun onto Watson Tom. Brady but I turn on my TV now. Patrick mahomes is more dynamic than Aaron Rodgers. Baker Mayfield is more controversial controversial Lamar Jackson more fascinating. Tom Brady wins more and Dak Prescott is more debated Aaron Rodgers in transitioning the packers now don't need him to play great to win. They don't rely on him offensively as much they run the football. The management met has pushed back a little bit on his condescending occasional arrogance. Even Aaron Rodgers said something a day ago. He knows he's transitioning additioning. It's time for us to do our part on offense moving forward. We place them stretch of really good football teams and at some point you know we can't expect our defense to shut everybody down. They haven't but at some point the offense is going to have to wake up and when is the last time Aaron Aaron Rodgers said you know the defense is Great. Were not getting it done. It's a new Green Bay Packer Organization you saw saw this at the end with Brett. Farve and I'm not saying errands retiring a couple years but I'm not the only person to see this. He was the voice and face of state farm for eight years. Patrick Mahomes now joins him on the commercial. The Cleveland browns controversial Baker Mayfield not Freddie kitchens have been onto national. TV Games were in the transition -sition period Lamar's more fascinating Patrick's more dynamic bakers more controversial Dax more debated and Tom wins more and statistically statistically drew brees is better. That's not a knock but this past weekend. When I got up on Sunday morning I wanted to watch Lamar Jackson Patrick mahomes homes I did and then I turned on Tyler Murray and Kyle Allen and I couldn't turn the game off for ninety minutes and then Sunday night Baker Mayfield got to television. It's not that Aaron. Rodgers isn't great but what I'm loyal to always say this. You know people I'M GONNA lose weight. How come by February my gym is still empty. Everybody goes in January for a new year's resolution by February gyms empty. It's the same seven of us. Working out is is that I am loyal to what I consume and what I'm consuming now tomorrow. Night is the first time in over a year. Maybe two years that the game I can't wait to watch in the quarterback. I can't wait to watch is Aaron Rodgers and I think everybody now realizes some of these previous problems are certainly on Mike McCarthy Carthy but a Sam Monson said yesterday at pro football dot com dot com and they just look at data folks some of its on Aaron. I think their defense is dramatically improve. The offense not that much has changed. Roger is still remain the same kind of guy he's still tending towards the conservative assertive end of the spectrum. He's not putting the ball in harm's way that much and that offense is not transformed him the way a lot of people thought it might. I think Aaron Rodgers is a bigger root cause of the issues there then people have thought over the past few seasons still love Aaron but tomorrow night will be the first time in a couple of years when that's that's. I WANNA watch Aaron Rodgers more than any quarterback this weekend by the way second Russell Wilson Sunday against the next Russell Wilson Chieter Murray to me is fascinating waiting. We've got a big change coming in the NFL. quarterbacks are a little smaller. They run a little more. It's very fascinating so I wanNA talk about Dak Prescott and I've always said this about Dak I didn't I I am initially. I did not officially by into him until they gave him Amari Cooper last year and he went seven and one down the stretch and played very well L. in big spots in the fourth where I was like. I think I'm pretty good at this quarterback thing. you know generally. I've missed on a couple but most of the time you know the guys I didn't like even when they were winning convince young Tim Tebow. I was like I don't buy it I think I mostly been right on this stuff but I didn't buy back until at the end of last year. He went seven one with Amari. Amari Cooper who is a real grownup is a real man He's not a child. It's not it's not some of the Dez Bryant nonsense. You're dealing with any one of them and I'm like okay. It's not about Zeke. This is DAX team and you give deck legitimate outside perimeter players who work as hard as Dak and you can win games but I'm looking at some stats with Daqing at interesting so dax average his first three years in the league his average season. He threw for thirty six hundred yards twenty two. TV's eight picks. That's very marcus Mariota. That's not that's not what you want this season. He's on pace to throw for forty nine hundred yards forty eight touchdowns and ten interceptions and what does it. I tell you that he doesn't have a contract. It tells you that Jerry and Steven Jones. They didn't know this was possible and let me defend them. I can certainly make a legitimate argument that Jerry Stephen Jones have done a better job drafting talent over the last five years. There's than any organization football. They're all lines great. They're D- lines good. They've got a corner. They got Zeke. They got they found back in the fourth round. I mean they got stars everywhere. They have the best young linebackers in the NFL two of them so it's not like Jerry and Steven don't know talent they've been exceptional at moving off players drafting acting players acquiring free agents and giving up the right picks but if data known that was this that a paid him a a year ago 'cause they paid Jalen Smith early and they paid Zeke two years early and they paid demarcus Lawrence early and and they're gonNA pay Vander early aimed paid or quarterback early because they didn't think was possible and that's the real thing listen Philadelphia. Here's the thing with not GMS team. See All the practice footage they see the interactions they see the twenty two film. Philadelphia even with Carson Wentz hurt and losing signed signed him early because they're watching the film Jerry and Steven have watched every Dak practice every piece of twenty two film and they wake up this morning and those were thirty five million dollars a year stats and they didn't WanNa pay more than twenty eight in it tells you Dak is a surprise now by the way. What does this tell you about back. I think it and I think I'm pretty good at this quarterback thing. I think it tells you about deck. Baltimore did not pay Joe Flacco and they got burned. Why because Baltimore watched Joe Flack and Joe FLACCO had a winning playoff record. Joe FLACCO wasn't a bum. Joe FLACCO was winning divisions. Joe FLACCO had a winning playoff alf record. He had a winning row plan record and Baltimore. One of the smartest organizations also like Dallas drafts the hell out of this league and then give Joe FLACCO money why because they watched all the practices and they watched all the film and they're like we think it's the roster sixty five seventy percent thirty percent flacco and they got burned and eventually they were paying him too much a moved off him and so what Jerry is telling you without telling Ya as they think he's a little more flacco then he is Carson Wentz and it's very hard to doubt the The Dallas cowboys when it comes to young talent. They're great at it Mideast. They've had the best offensive line in the League for six years. They have the best young linebackers they have. They have new England doesn't have this money. Star players Kansas City doesn't have this many star players so that doesn't mean Dax not really talented but it's telling you they rolled the dice on this and in the same reason Baltimore stalled and got burned is the same reason Dallas did. Is that when you watch the film and You watch the practice. You know it doesn't blow you away. It doesn't and quarterback is hard and I've always told you. My favorite part of sack is the podium that's really my my favorite part of that is that he's great. At the podium. He sounds like a leader he had to deal with the nonsense with Dez and replacing Tony Romo and the anthem controversy see and the Zeke judicial issues me had a lot of noise and handle like a good. CEO would good grownup would and I mean this is why I love love. This is while of Russell Wilson he had to deal with Richard Sherman and these defensive players dropping story at the other network I used to work ad add and they got banged in the press and nobody will and then he had to deal with that super bowl interception and all the fallout and Russell Wilson was like you know the man upstairs is on controls this I'm good and and so it just interesting with that is as smart as Jerry and Steven have been they. They didn't think this was possible or they would have paid him because they're going to get burned financially. They're probably GONNA pay a quarterback who I like love money. Really I mean I you want to pay the quarterback. She'll love Mahomes Love Money Russell Wilson love money. Most guys nestle pay like money. I like you a lot and I'm GonNa pay you like money but they're going to pay him love money. Kirk cousins got love money. They liked him. Matt Ryan Got Love Money. They liked him Russell Wilson. I can pay love money you to Brady. I could pay love money to Mahomes Andrew Luck. I can pay love money. I've said with that guy. I like the like money but it but it's story telling you they just didn't they didn't see it. They saw vander. Ash eight-man High School Football Boise state they saw star Dak draft into the fourth round and they still didn't buy them when he was winning much like Baltimore flacco coming up next there was an NFL team that made a move last night and people are freaking out and it's from Joyce hometown and it is very easy this morning to bang on that team but I get what the steelers are doing and I'm going to defend them on this and it's actually very very smart. The steelers trade away another draft traffic and they're getting crushed by everybody. It's really smart and I'll tell you why coming up be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the iheartradio APP hi. It's the heard want to hear something. Amazing discover matches all the cash back you earn at the end into your first year automatically dollar for dollar with no limit on how much you can earn. It's amazing so amazing that millions of people a year are getting their cashback matched you get the cash back and then even more cash back to match it discover cash back match. What are you waiting for. Learn more discover discover dot com slash match guys. Don't you use your girlfriend shampoo or your wife. Shampoo your hair's your hair at yours. Get at your own dove. Men Plus Care Range designed. Give your hair the hair and your hair. The carrot needs go to Walmart. Get at Walmart dove. You've so when you buy a house does location matter when you rent an apartment does location matter when you buy a Condo does the neighborhood matter if you bought a restaurant or built a restaurant with location manner okay. If you're thinking about retirement you want to buy a piece of land and build the home with the location matter yeah anytime there's an acquisition what is around you is paramount to the a decision. Nobody wants to live in a bad neighborhood. Nobody wants to build a restaurant and allows location. Nobody wants to have a piece of land with no views so when you make an acquisition of any type location location location the same thing yesterday the Pittsburgh steelers gave away another draft pick they gave up a fifth round draft pick for a tight end currently in the league named Nick Vanette not a great player but he's good player. He's productive right and everybody's like wow still giving away a few ajar by the way you do realize what you get in the fifth round. Nick Vernet at least this Nick Vernet has has been in the League won't be a with and can produce so they gave up what you would get in the draft with experience but Pittsburgh why acquiring this looked at the land and the location and let's start with the AFC Pittsburgh Xoan three. You're bailing on him there six and three teams in the NFL five are in the AFC last year. The Houston Texans went Owen three in one a division and in India went one in five and got to the playoffs or do they have in common they play in the AFC the AFC Owen three. He is not a death sentence. March Larry talked about this yesterday on our show so this is the first thing the steelers acquiring a player looked at the AFC AFC. They're six teams that go in the playoffs in the AFC. You know her number. Seven is right now. mathematically the Oakland Raiders. They're one and two th there's there are ten teams right now that are one or are one and two or less either one or two or three ten teams so that means is that everybody is theoretically still in it okay so they look around location location location. AFC's a mess outside of New England Kansas City and then they look at their division all right. Let's look at that Lan. Let's look at that location. Will Cincinnati can never beat Pittsburgh and there week Cleveland Right. Now is a hot mess with Freddie. Kitchens battle lines dealers do good pass rush and Baltimore Pittsburgh says will help laminate days. He's we might as well figured out now. We Plamen eight days so let's get the guy in house. Let's get let's get the guy in house we need so they look at the AFC and they're like you can go on three year. They look at their division teams. They've mostly beaten the last seven years and then finally they look at their schedule. Oh my God it's the strangest thing you've ever seen in the next seven weeks. They have five home games a- by and then they play in the smallest stadium in the League Charger Stadium which will be seventy percent steeler fans of course they make the move their division still winnable and I as much as I like Lamar with this is not a deck where we see the numbers. I STARTED HALF A SEASON CINCINNATI CLEVELAND'S A hot mess they look at the AFC and say well. Texans started Owen three and one day division Philip India Indianapolis started sorted one invite and then we'll go to schedule their next folks listen to their next seven weeks Cincinnati Home Baltimore at home at the chargers might as well. It'll be a home game by Miami at Home India home with a backup quarterback and the rams at home of course you give up a fifth round pick for a tight tight end who is exactly what you get with a fifth round pick and he is at least in the NFL half the fifth round picks aren't three years is in and he's productive enough for them to make the move totally defend the steelers. I'm not going to say it's going to work. I'm not saying this piece of land is going to be worth a billion dollars. I'm not saying that it may not work but when you acquire something I get the reasoning behind the acquisition division Asian conference schedule. I do the exact same thing joy with the news on the new. This is the Headline News Patriots traveled to Buffalo. Take on the bills on Sunday buffalo fans call themselves bills Mafia about those mafia yeah. We're getting a pretty rowdy bill. Belichick is no stranger to the bills passionate fans and he said he's prepared for their intensity intensity. He said it's a very intense hence crowd they're vocal totally into it and have great passion for the game. Some stadiums don't have quite the intensity buffalo dies. They have no other agenda there there to watch the game it gets very loud and by the way now it's still good weather but sometimes it's loud windy and cold and that makes it even louder yeah. I haven't been to Buffalo. I I my mother and my aunt have gone there to see Jason. Play this way back in the day. The two of them are pretty rowdy themselves. What did they say they have some stories. He's probably write a book about Fan Interactions. She would always wear Jason's Jersey giants like game length Jason Jersey that went down like her knees the back of it said mom on it so she may have been asking for a little bit especially going to buffalo but they do have great fans their their defense ranks first in fewest yards allowed per drive third and touchdown percentage for drive and I in percentage of three and outs force. Their defense is playing amazing. May and right now new England's gotTa left tackle issue full-back issue a wide receiver issue and no tight end so it's GonNa be by the Way Vegas sees this game as very close. This is not gonNA be. I'll make a bet now. New England does not get in the thirties and I'm not sure they get more than the mid twenties. This is a very interesting. It's really really this is this is one of these games biggest game by the way in Buffalo in over fifteen years. It's going to be crazy fun. As though biotech said that intense case keenum had a rough night's turn the ball over five times and the Redskins lost bears. It got so bad Monday night that fans wanted dwayne doing Haskins to take over a quarterback but head coach Jake Gruden isn't ready to turn to the rookie just yet about law is not over and everybody wants to so say over and over go ahead and play Haskins but we feel competent we turn US thing around. You know so you know. I'm out here practice everyday every day. We're out here practice everyday evaluating. Everybody we feel like Dwayne gives us the best chance to win an coming game. We'll definitely put Dwayne feel like it's cold when he gets up it could be cold that right now. Alexa case keenum. We're having this week by the way I don't know what their schedule is but I I tried to do with the giants. Did I'd find a team without a lot of Pro Bowl on defense and put them men. That's what the giants do. They just figured out. Oh we don't want him to play against Dallas on the road. Let's get him Tampa kind of a different situation for the giants in Washington because a lot of people feel like this is very important year for Jason as far as keeping his job so he's going to try and win as many games as possible and not necessarily surly future and build the franchise for the next step. He claims he doesn't feel like coaching for his job but Archie coaching for your job in Washington every year seriously the opposite of the steelers like you coaching job every year I mean I don't think I mean other than New England's New England and and the steelers alerts are are pretty unique in their coaching their head coaching situations like it's never really feel like even even if the dealers horrible season this year and can't turn it around. No one feels Mike. Tomlin isn't dangerous job. Ben Is going to be back next year. There's there's different circumstances in this situation. I don't think we're GONNA see Wayne houses this year. No matter how bad it gets because it's just GONNA keep trying. I it's funny. I think I think I think Jay's a pretty good coach. I have nothing to back that on because the winds aren't there but there's a lot about Jay Gruden. I like look at how many good coordinators he's developed as a lot of guys that come out of that Hole Jay Gruden tree and you're like little off Shanahan's in Sean mcvay in that thing. I don't think it's really fair fair to evaluate a lot of coaches face simply off of wins as silly as that sounds. There's a lot of factors that go into it. If you look at the big picture every season has a story every franchise is has an owner like there are a lot of factors that go into whether you can coach to your full potential. He cares been fired twice. Andy Reid been fired. Bella checks and fired. I mean in this league is this is the game Razi owner bad brakes. Don't get the right quarterback. Finally speaking of all of that the browns have not look good so far this season head head coach. Freddie Kitchens may already be on the hot seat bleacher reports. Mike Freeman spoke with two and CBS coaches who think kitchens will be well end up being a scapegoat if the Browns can't turn turn things around they think the media and the browns themselves overestimated how good the team would be this year. One of the coaches said it's not all ready salt but if this blows up he will get all of the blame well. You can't blame Baker got you. He is when Lebron left Baker's the city. We can't fire players like those specific. That's general like yeah. Of course you can cut guys. If you're not gonNA Baker funny new owner you know it's so funny now all the Brownie fans who thought we were all haters if you go to their sites lights and their twitter accounts they're all saying all of us did in the summer which is talent here but it's GonNa take a long time develop. They're saying now what we all told. Did you was going to happen and not just me every guy respect in this business every woman I respect was all like nine and seven with a bunch of wins late feels kind of reasonable and the weak. AFC If they were in the NFC browns on a playoff team in the NFC if around the NFC at six and ten or seven and nine th whatever but in the AFC division with Cincinnati Cincinnati those dots two wins and I think yeah I mean you can split with everybody else but this is not a this is not a top when I didn't put him in my initial heard hierarchy eight people that I was crazy. I'm like how in God's name can you put this team top ten if you have the NFC. I thought they had the potential this year for a wild card. That's battling for it. Look don't my only issue with Freddie situation because we don't know what Freddie Kitchens is is that we probably won't find out what Freddie kitchens because it feels like Freddie kitchens was hired so that he could be controlled by the front office and anytime that is and I'm not saying that's the case because I don't have any information on that but anytime that is the the case it never works because you have to put people in position. You are the best that that position and then empower them to be successful. You have to delegate. That's the way that it works even for an office credit control everything. They're not down there on the field. They're not the ones interacting with players doesn't work. It's an ego trip. It fails every single time I'm not saying that's the situation but a Freddie kitchens not getting his do doesn't able to have his time to develop then that the world thinks Freddie Kitchens is going to be here for his entire entire contract nobody in the world not even Mrs Kitchen there's no evidence of Mrs Catchers and it's the very important next week's. AFC AFC North because all the AFC north teams play this weekend rounds at Ravens Bengals sealers and the next two weeks for the Ravens are sealers and then they played the bengals angles so we could figure things out for the rest of the season next couple of weeks well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by. Dr Heard lie says I wake up on a Sunday morning. Patrick Mahomes is the most dynamic Lamar's the most fascinating dax the most debated Tom Brady's the legend Baker's. Here's the most controversial keiler is this weekend facing Russell Wilson so Russell's facing the next Russell. I haven't woken up in two years on a Sunday and thought I gotTa Watch Jaren Rodgers. Now tomorrow feels like the first time where it's like okay. That's the best game on the docket via the cower global satellite network iniquity my buddies joining us nick. I feel like we're errands. In a transition period injuries losses arrogance that on Sunday. He's not who wake up to see. It's Patrick and I'm not banging on Aaron but I do feel like they run more. It's more defense. He's no longer the golden boy that Faye is that fair well that part's fair but no quarterback at any point in. NFL history would be the golden boy if they were up against this version Patrick Mahomes who just happens to be playing the position at the highest level. It's ever been played by any person. It's not hyperbole. It's not recency. Buys is obvious to the stats and to your eyes but I think this is more about Rogers unless about Mahomes so set aside. Maybe the most talented quarterback ever mahomes to talk about. Maybe the second most astounded quarterback Aaron Rodgers. The numbers are on your side here. Colin this year while the packers three no they're averaging two hundred seventy yards of offense nineteen points in their thirtieth and League in third down conversions may be I am holding onto a loss time but I am still holding onto hope and believe that Aaron Rodgers is not out of his crime that Aaron Rodgers Mr preseason game useless playing because his back tightened up then and was supposed to play in the next one but the field in Canada was shoddy that he's a little rusty. There's a new offense. There's there's still getting these young wide receivers into the flow of do things the reason I picked the packers go to the super bowl was because I loved their defense and I believe Rogers at some point this year. We'll get back to being Aaron Rodgers offers but much like I heard you say Jay Gruden. I can't prove it. I just believe it. I can't prove in the last three years that Aaron Rodgers. There's is still one of the best quarterbacks in football. I just truly believe it and I think we'll see it. Starting Thursday night New England seemed unbeatable unbeatable but might as well gloat. You pick buffalo to make the playoffs. I have a number seven in my yes I think in the history of the NFL if you have a great staff they do if we have a really good defense they do if upgraded your weakness. Oh line you become. You're fighting for a playoff spot. I think they can beat New England this weekend so go ahead and glow. What did you see that most of us did not while I saw an easy path to three and oh which with a young team with a very very raw quarterback getting the season started off right is critically important. I saw with the whole world sees right now. which is nine wins going to get you in the playoffs in this? AFC AFC I saw chargers and steelers teams that I didn't think would win their division and I didn't think would-be wildcard teams. So who are you going to put their and now oh you do have a really intriguing match up with the Patriots. The bills can't win the division obviously but can they beat the Patriots at home. Maybe the PATS have been great this year. No doubt they've also played literally the worst scheduled imaginable outside of the Dallas Cowboys in in the League thus far so there's a reason that Bill Bella Jack didn't WanNa cut Antonio Brown even after those witness. This intimidation texts came out. There's a reason they let him practice that Friday and then for some reason or another waited to cut them until Friday afternoon. It's because he knows knows offensive line. I are center. I are left tackle fullback on. I our first round pick wide receiver on I R Eshelman. Now's got a chest I injury. Josh Gordon's banged up. They thought they needed Antonio Brown. The deep into spectacular in New England the offense not what it was last last year and so yeah I I wouldn't be shocked if this is the bills up twenty two seventeen going into the fourth quarter and we see Brady can pull it out now now whether or not you know I've I've. I've always said cameras Westbrook. I can't deny his iconic stature his talent. I pay to watch him play. He's had one great season where he got his team to the finals but I don't think he elevates players around him so instead of arguing. I don't like Cam as much as you do. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa pose this that it is getting easier here for the new owner of Carolina to move off Cam Newton Kyle Allen's good Cam's not winning injuries or not you could bail on him after the season and it wouldn't wouldn't cost you a ton. It wouldn't be a ridiculous cap hit they've got a bunch of young receivers and backs. Kyle Allen's young and the new owner doesn't give a rip about an MVP season when he was in cold or The steelers could you could I at least argue that Kyle Allen over the next six games and look at it he faces a lot of average secondary's Kandar he goes five and one you can at least in Carolina Bring Back Cam end of the year tougher schedule struggles. It's getting easier easier nick to move off cam in the next year. Oh of course it's getting easier and we have to see if cam gets healthy but you threw in there at the end Yada Yada that I'm not ready to Alan Kyle going five and one Kyle and who the Carolina Panthers had so much faith in after having him in the building last year after he starts week seventeen they go out and draft will greer in the fourth earth round of this year's draft. I I've never seen a quarterback especially not a blue chip prospect. Kyla Nina blue-chip prospects enticed will get so much run over one really good game against one really bad defense in Arizona. Let me see go five one I now Carolina might want to move off of Cam. Am and if he doesn't get healthy then I will understand that to a degree but we do not live in a world with enough. Quality quarterbacks were Cam. Newton is not it clearly win healthy and upper have at the very least starting quarterback in this league and Kyle in might be the third best quarterback on the panthers roster. Maybe they discovered something in the sixth round a couple of years ago and it's just now he's just now blossoming into the player that once was the number one high school football player around the country but I think nationally and certainly regionally in the Carolinas Kyle in love is actually Cam mm-hmm Newton hate being disguised as Kyle and love because I don't know if people really love this guy or they're just ready and wanting someone different than cam does. Does it bother you before you go. I'm looking at the PF rankings this morning. They ranked all the quarterbacks and it must it must irk you to realize it's almost Tom. Tom Brady is number one in Patrick mahomes six. Does that make you angry yeah. I liked the folks that pf I know some of those guys. I think it's a great story. Some blokes from Ireland start a company. It's now a multi conglomerate. I think it's great but I don't have a lot of rules in life but here's one of them. If I have a fancy algorithm a nice cool formula and I im- put all my data and it spits out to me that there have been five quarterbacks better than Patrick Mahomes you the fro- out the algorithm along the same lines of your former employer once upon a time created a new way to grade quarterbacks and it was going to revolutionize things and the the algorithm they had said the third greatest quarterback game of all time was Charlie batch game ryobi one one hundred sixty yards passing. That's when you know there's a fly in the Su- People Patrick mahomes having played the jags in the Ravens and being first and rating I in yards first in touchdowns. I in everything is the sixth best quarterback. Your rating system stinks nick right first things first. You have yourself good Wednesday chap. It's good seeing you buddy to talk not later yeah. He makes a very compelling point. I did think of neck when I saw this morning I saw I don't think he would freak out about Brady being first but Dak being seconds. Yeah that's funny that made me laugh okay so pro football focus came out. They ranked all the quarterbacks and by the way they do this. John I mean they great everything interceptions or not always the quarterbacks fault tough throws easy. Don't give you credit for every completion. It is incredibly thorough and and I can't talk with Nick just did L. Michael top of the hour but I will tell you what I took out of the grading system and it wasn't the top guy or the bottom guy. It was two guys in the middle. That's next be sure. Catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific. According to studies only about ten percent of break ins are planned beforehand a forehand the rest spur of the moment burglaries. What's crazy. Is only one in five home has home security. One in five simply safe is a great choice protects every door in window in room. Twenty four seven monitoring around the clock fifteen bucks a month. That's it the one thing that makes simply safe standout. Is there video verification technology yeah so with other home. Security Systems get triggered and a lot of the time police assume a false alarm and that call goes to the bottom of the list but not with simplisafe. They use their video verification nation technology. They're able to visually confirm the break into happening. 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This is still a great every offensive lineman every quarterback and it's not every interceptions the quarterbacks fault. They play calling matters where you throw it. How hard hard throw is how good the defense I mean they really great everything. So the first thing is pat myself on the back. They have all the guys I like near the top and the guys that I defend into Shawn Watson Russell Wilson Carson Wentz Dak Prescott Derek Carr are all the top seven so the guys I like and the guys I don't like are all at the very very bottom. Andy adult and Jameis Winston trubisky kirk cousins so yeah there. I feel pretty good about it right like the guys I'm not into. Some of those guys are winning games. They have at the bottom of the guys. I like into Fan Derek Carr. I don't understand why the raiders are talking about bailing on Derek Carr. He's good. I don't get why you don't get the Shawn Watson people he's good but what really jumped out to me. Is that right in the middle of the pack. Baker Mayfield is still ahead Lamar Jackson and that goes counter intuitive what you would think right ones winning one's losing wants one doesn't throw any interceptions wants a turnover machine and there's been this whole thing you know. How can anybody doubt Lamar Jackson then. How can anybody in one of the reasons I like. PF because it's not about agendas it's not about nonsense about data and I'm I'm a data guy. I'm not into you know. Media falling in love and media has agendas ended in media wants this guy and may good God the media just couldn't get over Russell Westbrook. The data was right in front of you and then one day he loses the playoff series in the entire countries like all right collins a jerk but he's right on that one just watch the data get out of the emotion business. Stop Rooting for people players and cities and so what they're telling in you is also Josh Allen is twenty-first so what they're telling you that Josh Allen and Lamar five and one in the numbers are great but like this is not bakers fault and that's what I said yesterday listened of course Lamar and Josh deserve some credit for what they're doing and Baker deserves some criticism for what he's not doing but this is a Freddie kitchen issue. This is a John Dorsey issue. I A- banged on Baker Mayfield more than any sports ward's talk show host in America people get mad at me for this but when I watch Cleveland there are limitations to Baker Mayfield is a five and eleven and a half four eight forty. Guy Is not that great if an athlete lead. I think he's a pocket thrower but he's small so he runs out side a lot and he's not very fast iron a four seven nine forty in high school. I'm not joking. He runs a four eight four with better nutrition and better strength training than I had thirty five years ago. He's not that great of an athlete He. I don't think he's as good an athlete. Is Johnny Mandel I don't. I don't think he's as good an athlete. Tim Tebow and I never thought Tiba was a great athlete. I thought he was a great kid a great leader so not back. I don't think he's not nearly as good as Trubisky as an athlete. He's not Andrew Lock. We know he's not camera. Big Ben and just on the good of an athlete. I think he's a small average four eight forty guy so I've been banging on Baker for years ears but what. PF is telling you LEM orange. Josh are getting a ton of help here and bakers get none. That's what they're telling. You and Peter King addressed this yesterday and Freddie kitchens if I could give Freddie kitchens one piece of advice if he wants to call all the plays then he needs to give the authority of things like clock management and some other things he needs to think about giving that away and I'm fine with him holding onto offensive play calling he's good at it. He was terrible on Sunday because I think he's thinking about too. Many things a year ago he was the running backs coach and and now he's got the biggest job of them all and he's got the weight of great expectations on his shoulders so it's Kinda. PF F. is telling you our system and you know the guys that looked like they're in PF and I don't agree. They don't like darnold nearly as much as they like. Baker and I like Darnell over Baker because I think he's bigger stronger more athletic and I think he's frankly he's more of a grown up. It's why I like. I said this two weeks ago and everybody I got so much crap on this. I said DAX better than Baker. Everybody's like how can you say that will DAX bigger. He's more athletic stronger. Way Can credibly coach. Baker isn't but I can tell you this. Dak is coach -able and I think is going to have to overcome constant ownership front office mayhem to succeed so I said a week ago. I said DAX better than Baker Mayfield. I feel it is remarkable to me on Baker and I'm not blaming him for all this stuff and you know been tough on him like Tim. Tebow is not an NFL quarterback. I said it you hated hated me. I was right a vince young was not really a guide build around. I think bakers better than Vince young and better than Tibo and better Mandel but the problem with Baker Baker is you have to be so good to overcome the nonsense with Cleveland that I'm not sure back could win in Cleveland. I'm not sure I seriously I think Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. It could be man overboard. I think bigger got all sorts of accuracy talent but this is this is why I didn't didn't put them in the top ten in why I've said about Baker if Baker and Sam Darnold are equally talented. Sam'll be better because you think the jets sure dysfunctional by Cleveland standards. The jets are highly functional. They really are they've made the playoffs they made the AFC championship with Mark Sanchez. I mean the jets had herm Edwards. One Playoff Games Rex Ryan one playoff games so this this this. PF is telling you it's it's not all Baker Acre here. It's not an I believe they're right on that and from a guy who's been very critical. Al Michaels around the corner Joel Klatt Jordan Palmer a Shawn Porter Quarter in studio. WBZ welterweight champion good show today. We are stacked today on our show blazing five couple days Marquee Marquee three tomorrow. Don't go anywhere live in. La I our flying by Al Michaels NBC's voice next to her. 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This is my fourth year and is this your fourth year too but your second second show it's my third and a half year at Fox yeah very exciting for all of us Al Michaels and a couple of minutes. I grew up so just to give you a hint. I I grew up. I wanted to be a baseball announcer. That's why I want to be you know as a kid listening to baseball games. Vin scully's the first baseball announcer I had heard hurt because my team in Seattle. We didn't have the mariners when I was a little kid in nineteen seventy two when I started watching sports. I was seven years old six years old. We didn't have a baseball team so I always used to go into in my backyard and listen on the radio dial. Sit on the roof of my house and try to find you know on the coastal Washington Alabama Vince Gully was diverse great baseball announcer. I heard and I remember hearing a kid. Al Al Michaels in nineteen seventy six nine hundred seventy seven he was doing San Francisco giant stuff you know and I was like who's this guy and so he's always been one of my broadcasting idols right and miracle on ice and all that stuff so by the way tomorrow on Fox Joe Bach also amazing and Troy Aikman Thursday night football. It's going to be the packers and Philadelphia and it's interesting because I like Carson Wentz a lot but there are times when I can't win the argument with you right like you. Do you have the numbers on your side. Nick right in with our talking about this and I can't win the argument so so Carson wentz is foreign seven in games decided by seven points or less and doc is very good in those games and Carson Wentz is not so I mean he's four and seven but there has to be context stuff and I'll give you a great example twice this year. He's had winning touchdowns drop Nelson Aguilar two weeks ago against Atlanta so this is a win carson makes the throw and Nelson Aguilar former the USC kid good player. He drops this ball and so that would have been win. Okay so Carson direct throw by the way I mean okay and then against Detroit this weekend. He's got a rookie from Stanford who I really like and this could be this could be the winning touchdown anthro to and and Napa was dropped so in my opinion to great throws four and seven should be six and five live in close games but this is the way the NFL is now. I I do think the criticisms of Carson Wentz are fair but I do think he's had to overcome a lot so he gets hurt. The backup comes in wins Super Bowl and gets a statue so that divides the locker room. I mean players are loyal to WHO's winning players. Were loyal to Tim. Tebow because people was winning thing I mean they were going to practice and he was the fourth best quarterback on Denver and they're like yeah about on Sunday. God intervenes and we win. We liked depot so you know so players like pitfalls in other front office film and didn't like him so he had to overcome that he gets hurt. He's unbelievable. He's MVP season gets hurt. Falls comes in when Zuberbuhler put a statue out front. Every day goes into the stadium. I gotta look at Nick Foles. That'd be like me watch the watch young broadcasters statue in front of every time how come in here Jason McIntyre's statue. I wouldn't be a great love him but you know and then the second thing that happens the guys in Rehab. He had hurt like Andrew. Lucky always banged up psychologically. That's a lot to deal with and then number three this year. What is a what. Is it young quarterback need. He needs a healthy offensive line and people that catch Philadelphia's offensive left tackle. Situation is a mess and they have nobody that can catch and all the receivers are hurt. So you win the argument. I can't win the argument against you. I think is pretty good but you have all the AMMO on your side but look at those to drop passes. I'm looking at some bad breaks he's had. I'm looking at the left tackle situation Philly. I'm looking at the wide receivers who had seven drops last week I got to who I showed you that should have been caught four and seven in those games decided by seven or last would be six and five but you win the argument and I said this for years and years and years about Shaq and Kobe that when the Lakers had to make a choice they chose Kobe over shack. I knew for two years I would have to eat a dirt sandwich and you would win the argument because Miami had all sorts of good players and they had to wait in his prime and I was like okay and I knew Kobe was the right choice. Kobe was in better shape. Kobe love practice. Didn't Kobe's GONNA give you eighty game shack was going to give you sixty. Kobe Kobe was not he was totally obsessed and focused and shack. was you know a little bit of distracted with the movie career and I also thought shacks body was deteriorating. Syria rating and Kobe. I thought was really coming into his prime was going to have like seven eight prime years but koby when Jack Left had nothing yet nothing burger on the roster and he almost left much Chicago so new for two years. I was going to lose the CO argument but I knew it was the right thing and with Carson Wentz you win the argument now. I think he's great but you know. Receivers can't catch to dropped winning in touchdowns left tackles a mass he had the he had a divided locker room and he got into the League is Nick foles and he's been her all the time and so you know it's it's I've i. I've said this before now that Andrew Luck retired I think it's I think it's made a lot of players in the league. Look around and I and I've said this before I if Carson Wentz had another really really really a injury and cross your fingers. It never happens because Philadelphia's paid them. A lot should pay him a lot and he's fantastic. Dick but you know Carson Wentz may wake up in the morning and say I got one hundred million in the bank. I like hunting and fishing North Dakota boy. I'm tired rehabbing. So you know again you may win. Argument Umana demand winning the whole argument then and it's like he was never as good as I thought but I watch him the only guy in the league the only quarterback in the league I look at when I see Patrick Mahomes the only when I look at it and see the same thing is carson. wentz size arm can throw it from different angles. I think he's more I think he's I think he's actually physically better than Aaron. Rodgers Aaron six to Carson's six five. I think Carson is right. Now at this point is if they ran a forty yard dash in a cone drill carson would beat Aaron Rodgers so that's how much I like liked him by the way Carson Wentz this week. He didn't WanNA blame the receivers Carson wentz he's. He didn't want to blame the receivers as part of the game. You know guys are android passes. We're GONNA put the ball on the ground and I'm GonNA throw picks and we're going to misread things happen. Guys make mistakes and again. It's frustrating. No one wants to make mistakes but there's nothing you can really do about it and just keep building those guys all right. Let's bring him on he's a multi time national sportscaster of the year winner the Voice of NBC Sports Al Michaels who thank God lives two decades accolades due on Monday night football now Sunday night football as my wife always says if you're as good as how the last five ten years of your career I won't leave you. That's what she says Al Oh. How are you fantastic. How are you. I'm doing great by the way in one thousand nine hundred seventy four you were. You were the next great young announcer you do or do in. Cincinnati reds baseball -ASEBALL. You're probably twelve how you got that then you left it to double your money go to San Francisco. Marty Brennaman took over for you in he's retiring. I tripled the money to go to San Francisco so he did the reds at seventy-one pull that might closer out. I will yeah I tripled salary to go to San Francisco Cisco so I left one of the Great Baseball Teams in History Rose Rose Bench Morgan. Peres sparky Anderson Ken Griffey senior coming makeup as as a kid. I lived in Graylan Washington. That was my favorite team. They were fantastic. They had like hall of famers everywhere. I'm there three years went to the world series the reason seventy to the playoffs in seventy three upset by the mets and the Pete Rose Bud Harrelson Yeah Fracas and then so I leave and and I leave Mardi with this great team and I go to this more on franchise they were horrible at they were terrible and then Marty's during the world series and seventy five seventy six so I was there three Mardi Mardi their fifteen times as long as I was and you know God bless him. The guy did a tremendous job through the years. You know as well as anybody. There's a connection between the audience and and the announcer you take Vin scully in Los Angeles up at the top sixty seven years so you have to every generation Vinnie the father the son the grandfather the the grandson Marty pretty much the same thing in Cincinnati yeah he's been. They had some great teams. They had some bad teams over forty six year period but Jack Buck and Marty Brennaman and Ernie Harwell have been the summer voices for fifty years. They were Fifty Years Jack Buck Joe's Dad Ernie in Detroit was a legend and there you go so I gotta ask you ally have been Sunday night was just terrific and I've been marginally critical of Baker Mayfield but I I can't. I can't blame for all the issues but when you went to Cleveland and Al Michaels and Chris Collins were don't do Cleveland much. Give me the environment. Give me the moment your takeaway AAC away now. The game's over tell the audience that Cleveland doesn't host Sunday night football games only every eleven years we were the last time we were there was two thousand in eighteen Pittsburgh. Cleveland game hadn't been back since I mean over that period of time how many Patriot Games we done like thirty so the town. It was crazy because first of all the expectations you in Cleveland were were so high so gigantically high and then you start out and of course they laid an egg on opening day in the fourth quarter against Tennessee came back the undermanned jets. Serbis pretty stoked but I will say this. I mean their defense. Defense did a fantastic job of the Christian icons worth and I were talking about the fact we had never ever done. A game with the entire secondary was inactive. They were all heard yeah. Every one of them you look at the flip card the top four guys inactive that night and they're calling up guys from the practice squad and getting guys from from the raiders and who could got an interception the other night so they did. I think St Wilson a really good job the defensive coordinator keeping the rams as close as he did. I like Mayfield field a lot. We met him. We didn't know what to expect. What did you get. I liked him a lot. Really Sharp clear-eyed focused. I think he's a guy he's got a great great future but he just he sees a lot of things he's he's really really bright and fun too and he has a good sense of humor. We you know we we laugh with these guys and it was great and we're able to to get them going same thing with Freddie Kitchens. We know the great thing about doing. The game like that is we. We know the Patriots. We know the cowboys. We know the packers inside out all the guys we had. We didn't know any of these people so we knew Beckham because we've had Brian Beckham for a number of years in New York but it was fun to be with him and I'll tell you what we had myles Garrett in the meeting boy. He's a piece a player. I know but it's it's amazing to me. Colin is this guy leading the league in penalties people would think at all you know come on putting his body on top of semi in New York and you know semi as gone for the season comes in very reflective very quiet very intelligent not at all. We expect it so it's great fun to do teams that we haven't done it a long time. Now you do oh now. This week is fantastic. The Saints Defense is real Teddy Bridgewater various thirteen in six in his last nineteen starts in his cowboys so when you sit down I I tend to think you sit down with quarterback and you're sitting down with Dak and Jerry sneaks into the room and just wants to talk to you is your relationship with Jerry because you've done so many cowboy games and you know I mean Jerry's a businessman and you've always had the crunchies. Jerry's you know those guys and you've been around. You both been doing this league forever. I it's funny. This is the older Jerry these are the twilight year jared has he changed from fifteen years ago not a lot and he's one of my favorite people and I have just the utmost admiration because here's a guy who had a vision and I met him thirty years ago. I met him and owners meeting in one thousand nine. Hundred Ninety just bought the team. He's taking all all this heat in Dallas because fired. Tom Lee s I remember that brought in Jimmy Johnson and I went up and introduce myself at the palm desert certain Palm Springs Marriott and I said Hey by the way I should you know I've been going to Dallas for a few years now on Monday night and all they do is write about up. It's time for lane ago. It's time hey send them off into the sunset. You did it and you're getting all this so so and then Ge- with Jerry will use. We've known them. He had we had to dinner at his house. A couple of times he had the model of the stadium that he wanted wanted to build and Oh yeah back in the in the nineties and he wanted to build it in downtown. Dallas couldn't get that done obviously gets it done at Arlington and to me I mean the stadium is now ten. Years old was opened in two thousand nine Colin. It's as beautiful as it wasn't opening day. I think it's the model of the stadium. That's GONNA come up here. In Los Angeles will probably be the all time that Stan Kroenke is building but the thing with Jerry only Dutch things I clan. There's no practice facility first-class. The Star is off the charts everything he does the maintenance in stadiums phenomenal. You know you go to a stadium as ten or fifteen fifteen years old and all of a sudden you know you get a dumpster smell in the bowels of the stadium. This thing is like pristine. It's beautiful and I have tremendous respect for him. The the one thing about Jerry Jerry takes a lot of heat. Obviously he's out there. He's bigger than life but he boy he. He's resolute he he he what he stands for he he means it. He doesn't put on airs. I mean that's that's all jerry. Jones and I'm a fan of not. I want an owner like that. He lives and dies with wins and of course he had tremendous success early on. He wants to throw balls in four years now. It's been a long drought in regard to that but boy. I've never seen an owner liver dime more than Jerry does with his team. You and Chris do a tremendous job. You've done a lot of Patriot games last year there was I wouldn't call it conflict but Tom for the first time was with documentary voicing some concerns. I wish it it could be a little more fun. Bella check I wouldn't I've heard behind the scenes. He's a riot but you sit down with ballot. Check and Brady. Are you surprised with with Bela checks curtness and Tom sort of optimism that it is worth nineteen years. Well not not really early only because they're both really smart. They're both driven. They're different. People obviously go back with bill to the when I started Monday night football the defensive coordinator for the New York giants so probably been one hundred meetings with them. Wow Oh yeah really really well. You go back. All the years did the giants and we did then we even had some browns games when he was there and we give you he gives it depends on the on the day but he gives us what we need. You know the one thing about bill it. She'll be straightforward with you asking the right questions. He'll give you the right an answer. He also loves history. Yes we got him going. We did the opening game against Pittsburgh a couple of Sundays ago. We got him going on the the replacement players in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven yeah he was on parcels staff and how much porsche hated that and bill said Belichick shut. He's out there. He's he's going to Long Island and try to find guys in playing on on the street or in parks and he's bringing them in and we told the story on the defensive coordinator and it's a situation where the opposing team it's a Monday night game actually against San Francisco in the meadowlands and and he's yelling out to a Defensive Andrews all tensed up and everything third in two thousand nine whatever it is and he goes hey hey loosen up loosen up and the guy looks over a bill like what do you mean in Bill Chico's Lucien up. The Guy Starts doing jumping jacks or the snap so you get bill going own on stuff like that. It's it's it's a lot of fun. It's great. You know. Here's the thing people say. Does he give you the game. We don't need the game plan Chris Collins Worth Earth God could coach the game his homework. Is You could coach the game. He knows we don't need to coach to tell us we can figure it out and they they were just as well and Chris just as well he he sees everything is fantastic. We wanted a while. A coach will tell us you know I'm going to throw the bomb on the first play of the Game Shannon. Mike Shanahan was great. Chan said the opening place is going to be he would tell you sixty L. Y. You know he's good elway so he's open place going to be sixty yards down the field to mark Jackson Jack Snooky not he would say the the opening play right after that you can you can figure it out you've done as I told the audience before you came on. I heard you I as a young kid. A young broadcaster do niner games. I was in Westport grail in Washington on the roof of my house with am radio. The mariners weren't really much of a team yet so and they were on a Seattle station. Am I didn't get it so I heard you on a San Francisco. Stack can be are the TOA was it who is it during those years it was it was Kf oh okay seventy dollars so I heard a young Al Michaels. You're very similar. Your Voice is more It's deeper now obviously and there's obviously the miracle on ice which we've discussed we have that's that's probably the greatest in American sports history. It is let me play at one time. I like to play the respect for because I know where I was by the way I was in a bowling alley. The game was not live. No I was in a bowling alley. My mom worked at a bowling alley. She ran the kitchen. The Bowling Alley and somebody came out of the Bar said we beat the Russians and I remember they had green carpet astroturf. It was not a high end bar was not the Weston and so I remember going home and my mom let me stay up so it's the greatest read it. They've made movies about it documentaries by the way the Russian documentary is unbelievable. Here's the call I get goosebumps. Every time I watch it here we go got. It is the greatest call and even to this day the greatest moment so take that out. Is there another big event. That doesn't get it doesn't get the publicity that you felt that it had it really will go down for you. As the second moment that you really remember. She got to be in. C- Count last four super bowls we've done on. NBC Have All gone down to the last thirty seconds. That's that's because the Patriot journal three minutes three of them but the one before that was Arizona Pittsburgh best. Love that game incredible love that game I mean what are they doing here. They fall behind they come from behind Larry. Fitzgerald Caches Pass Arizona has the lead two and a half minutes to go and then rothlisburger leads them down the field real and San Antonio homes makes phenomenal catch to win the game and that game also featured James Harrison going one hundred yards at the end of the hat. She had two of the most iconic please in history and there of course is the the Holmes catch and by the way you had the steeler brand in fact I think joe you on the show. I said this this. The Best Super Bowl. That's never been talked about is a great super bowl. It was at the time but now it's almost been eclipsed and we had the Malcolm Butler game Seattle against the England. We had Philadelphia against New England so we've done used to boxing by the way the another words to a B or c would be. I did in one thousand nine hundred eighty five Hagler hearns. Oh which which the ring magazine ranked the first round is the greatest boxing round of the of the twentieth century did it for ABC see not for ABC but it live on closed-circuit with Al Bernstein worked with outbursts great. How's that for doing for you are one off so I did the did that fight and that was breathtaking sitting there at ringside and these guys just and it was a very high fight normally numbly they don't live up to expectations and guys come out and they parry and all that stuff and then the two guys just met in the center of the ring and just wheeled away at each show yes the to maybe the two at that point best pound for pound fighters in the country. I have no idea how either guy survive the first round the second round was. It's pretty good tuned into the third round hag newest cut so he's got this visa doctors looking at our between the second and third. It could have been a technical draw. I mean he knew you knock her out. It was eight minutes of exhilaration sports illustrated on the cover. I think the headline was eight minutes of fury so it's amazing the the great thing. SCUOLA folks you can do this you. Can you get incredible youtube. It's common. The great thing that sports is the world series is this is like a ten to fourteen day feast. The Super Bowl is three and a half hours the NBA finals are two weeks hagler. hearns orange was eight minutes about that think about that. I mean I I love doing. I've got a chance to the world series the NBA Finals and ah a book shop. You Hope it's seven chapter book. It could be a shortage for but Hagler hearns. Were I remember walking away. I had to catch my breath. Just watching doing this or now with my first job out of college was Vegas and I've told people this for years for anybody in their twenties the two things in sports you missed and I've told you this says Al Michaels doing baseball and when boxing was as big as the NFL when wouldn't not I'm not saying it was broadly popular but I can remember George Foreman Muhammad Hamad Ali fought. I am watching a kid show in Seattle. JP Patches and they break in to tell you that all these beat foreman in Zaire it was a children's children show and so that's how that's how big boxing Mohammed Ali Al Michaels tenth season together Sunday night football. You know it's a pleasure I love coming in and by the way took twelve minutes to get here so you're always welcome. It's Great Al Michaels Sunday. You've got cowboys Saints Cowboy Saints New Orlands has good oysters. That's a that's. That's that's fun. We'll we'll sample those cajun or creole. What do you prefer Krill. Okay Yeah Yeah I think either a great for you but back and forth yet great seeing all right Joe with the news. Oh no I take a break my break. I went so long back in a second the her be be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the IHEARTRADIO APP according to studies only only about ten percent of break ins are planned beforehand the rest spur of the moment burglaries. What's crazy. 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Thursday night football is back on Fox Carson Wentz and the eagles take on Aaron Rodgers and the packers a huge. NFC showdown it all starts at seven thirty eastern four thirty Pacific on Fox NFL network and streaming on prime video. Is there anything better than those than those big late. Fox Games or Thursday games like it Lambeau. It's like it's like USC football at its best in Miami. Football is like college but it feels a little like pro Green Bay's the only nfl that feels a little like college college. It's like seventy. Five percent fell twenty five percent. Badger football so those I think those games look so good Green Bay Games so good on television. Here's joy thanks down Michael's Michaels. That was so much fun for me. Nick also Joe clack coming up with the news. You turn on the news. This is the headline news well. Let's stick with Green Bay. The packers are undefeated heading into their matchup with the Eagles tomorrow night on Fox and they've largely relied on their defense so far which was new for them and even with all that early success Aaron Rogers says it's time for the offense to take it up a notch. It's time for us to do our part on offense moving forward placing stretch of really really good football teams and at some point you know we can't expect our defense shut down they haven't but at some point of the offense you can have to wake up and servants. Dan Green Bay and even listening to him talk. It's it's so interesting from Aaron Rodgers because it's almost like he got so excited that they had a defense events that mentally I don't have to do this anymore and then now has to go back up again I mean I think we all kind of feel like there's nothing things who really fear with Aaron. Rodgers may often they Kansas City needs mahomes to be great to win if he wasn't last week win right Green Bay's built now Erin can have an often he complete sixty one percent of those can have picked they can still win right but he can't have an off first quarter of the season so then that's what Aaron Rodgers saying we relied on and even so far which was obviously nice to having Green Bay because they haven't had it for a couple years a-rod Kasim scored thirty. Five points never have a chance at winning. That's not the case anymore but you you do after kicking into another gear especially because the next couple games they have obviously the eagles tomorrow night at the cowboys against the Lions Raiders and at the chiefs and not the chargers so you're GonNa need quite a bit of offense and a couple of those games so the steelers season seems loss already with an three starts in season ending injury to Ben Rothlisberger but defensive end. Cam Hayward isn't isn't giving up. He said that starting on Monday against the bengals the steelers have to be perfect. Houston has befallen narrow now are arm Aaron out the window. We have to be perfect everything we do especially practice out keep guys accountable accountable guys keep keep his bow to growing three foot onto the by the way one and three in the AFC a game out of the wild card. I mean that sounds ridiculous in the NFC. Oh and three is a decimals. I think Pittsburgh if they win. I feel like they play Monday night football right if they win. Tuesday today I come out and I'm like then by the way joy until all those home games for a month and a half but it's the ravens in their the division now there are serious and in the AFC there are a lot of teams could go on a run because it is the AFC said I just. I don't have a lot hoping seeler this year. I know that everyone is one more week. I mean one more week against the bengals giving one more week. I'm GONNA need three more weeks is to see if it's possibility because they have the bengals next then the ravens and then the chargers so that's I mean obviously the dolphins colts after that but those next three games games are pretty much going to determine what the rest of the season is. GonNa look like especially for the AFC north all playing each other within the next few weeks so really important finally. Lamelo ball is playing in Australia's NBL while preparing the twenty twenty NBA draft and he's making such a good impression betty even join the conversation for the first overall pick one MEA executive told ESPN SPNFZ KEEPS US up. I don't see any way he isn't in the conversation for the number one overall pick. He's completely changed my perception of the type of prospects. He is all the background info I gathered here from his coaches and teammates teammates paint a very different story what I thought about him off the court as well just when you thought you're getting rid of Lavar ball you know undefeated never lost but he's got that crazy crazy shot like Lonzo. He makes it though the thing about Lamelo ball and I I told you about this a little while ago 'cause everyone's Kinda sleeping on him and then obviously everyone gave Lavar very hard time about sending him to Lithuania and he's not playing in college and now the competition down. There might not be at the same level that it is in college he he is dominating. He's he's moving up the ranks with the draft prospects. He's top rated point guard at this point and he's GonNa continue to get better. He works on his body. He's very concerned about all aspects of his game not just offensively. He wants to be a good defender. He I do think he's going to be the number one overall pick because I think once we get to the draft wants were passed the NC Double A. Tournament's and everyone starts doing their interviews and we start learning more about these guys. Lamelo is very different than Lonzo. He's got his whole whole swag. He's been in the game as far as being public for longer than Lonzo was and he's a talker so it's it's going to be very interesting. What happens obviously depend on who has a number one overall overall pick and whether they need a point guard or not well on bail on Lonzo either Lonzo Ball. No I mean I I I'm. I'm still in online's. I've never build a month at all but this is something interesting to watch and I'm glad that people are coming around so funny story. I actually think it's hysterical. I really I heard this story. I told yesterday and this is a right. Everybody thinks where so done with Labar Labar nope makes me laugh all right joy with news well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by uh we got. We got so much on this shoal Joel Klatt. There's a couple of massive at college games this weekend. Notre Dame look great against Georgia Jim Harbaugh's in big trouble if US loses at Washington Klay Helton's all but don may be already anyway Joel Klatt around the corner be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific. I used to think that all diet and weight loss plans for the same well not anymore because I found num. NEUM is a new and totally different approach to losing weight and getting healthy that uses psychology and small voles to help change your habits so it's easy to lose the weight and keep it off for good neum combines the power of technology with real human support offering as little or as much help as you want along the way and since new ms an APP. It's always with you and easy to use which makes it super easy to stay on track and reach your goals plus. 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LSU But the Buckeyes have a pass rusher by the way it looks better than both as maybe a yeah. They do actually chase young as his name. If you haven't haven't haven't seen chase young he's phenomenal. I know the bosses are phenomenal players but for the third time in what four or five years how states going to have the number number one defensive player drafted the NFL draft his name's chase young. He's dominant player. I didn't have the guts to actually separate house State Alabama and Clemson. That's my fault. I should have Ohio state. I think is the best team in the country. They've proven it on the field. They have been dominant in the one area that I think people had questions about. was there suspect. Beck defense from a year ago their defense this year has been unbelievable and Justin fields their quarterback transferred from Georgia. He has transformed their offense so that JK Dobbins are running back is now more of a threat. He's averaging seven yards per carry which was more in line with what he did. As a Freshman Ohio state has been absolutely dominant. They'd been the best thing I've seen so far by the way I liked the fact you didn't dip into. You've been very very tough on Notre Dame but you are good this week. I have to constantly instantly in a yeah you do. I'm sure I'm sure by the way I came out of the game with Notre Dame more impressed I did too. I think it's first of all I'll start by saying this environment. At Georgia was incredible great. I mean that light show rival like a youtube on insane right and and yet it here's this road team who is still had a chance to win inside the fifty yard line down only six after twelve penalties and two turnovers in the southern the humidity at night in the biggest crowd in Georgia history. I kind of came out of that game and I thought Notre Dame's for yeah and they're one area where I said it to you. Last week. There rush defense defense was concerned about it was good. It was really good in fact Georgia only ran the ball for a little over one hundred and fifty yards and that's the lowest that they've run for at home and quite some time so I'm with you. I actually came out of this very impressed with notre dame the hard part without a championship game for them. I'm not seeing the avenue for a playoff. No no no we're not. I don't think it exists this year. Well you would need Oklahoma to lose because Washington's out so the PAC ten looking half so you're gonNA need champions at in the SEC and big twelve often have two losses listen then you can have an argument to the SEC teams Auburn Georgia and Lsu. They're all GONNA lose late now. The question is will the voters is when Lsu and Auburn lose. I- Auburn shocked me. All things going to lose twice because they're gonNA loose. Alabama and they're not good enough offensively to Georgia's in the LSU's knee Alabama's correct so I think you're going to have now. Alabama will survive clemes. I if I had to guess today I would go hi o state when I got to be careful. Wisconsin looks good Yep. I think it would be the northern team. Let's get to Harbaugh who we have defended at the end. Yeah we have and I don't WanNa hear about coordinator. The bottom line is I heard a story story this week that he hired the coordinator and never met him face to face. The offense is a mess that is true. It's a mess this is on Jim. It is okay so let's let's impact all of that and I want to start with. You and I get a lot like Oh. You go through the Harbaugh guys well. The subject of Jim Harbaugh is very partisan very partisan in that if you're in the anti harbaugh crowd or the Harbaugh is overrated crowd then no one's allowed to give him any credit or else you just scream and shout and kick and scream when you say he's a very good football coach and he's proven that over a long period of time that is true so however in the last five games something has happened and he he went chasing something that has failed. Yes us to this point. I don't know if it's going to change this. Change of offense of philosophy has failed Izzo Fun watchable. It is the one area where you would always say at least harbaugh teams in general or what would you say todd scrimmage. They're not they're not. They got pushed around the defensive of line. The offensive line was awful. I mean they were running into each other. They couldn't pick up very easy and basic stunts from Wisconsin. Wisconsin's defense is very good. I don't WanNa taking away from Lasagna twenty-eight. Nothing but Miss Michigan was atrocious and have been ever since that game at Ohio state and I just wondered I wondered wondered to myself and the Anti harbaugh crowd is going to hate this but I wonder aloud with you all if the spot had been correct in two thousand and sixteen against so how state and and if they get the pond off against Michigan State. Do you think he goes through this kind of mid coaching crisis. This last zero changes as offensive philosophy no I I will say in those in those big ten jobs. Michigan has to be the highest state. Ohio state has has to be Michigan and if you don't it shifts it drastically I won't use the overused word narrative but the John Cooper was a great coach. He couldn't beat Michigan couldn't and that John Cooper now is a quote losing coach at Ohio State. He averaged ten and a half year. That's correct so it doesn't matter that harbaugh has kind of pulled Michigan up by that are bootstraps from the seven years between Lloyd Carr and himself. It doesn't matter that he's averaged three more wins it it really Tan in a better big ten big ten and it doesn't matter this. This has been a failure of philosophical change. Now that doesn't mean that it can continue to be a failure. They might turned around. I'm not sure doesn't doesn't look like it's so far because every game that I've watched. I've watched all of them on film. I've done two of them in the booze. Their offense is dreadful and it starts with their offensive line. I know their quarterback play is not been gracious bad but gyms offensive line has been atrocious okay so this week you're doing the Oklahoma game in Lincoln. Riley is what chip Kelly was about nine years ago which offensive guru in the copying and left and right by the way bakers not as good since he left him not making definitive opinions cuyler. Murray's not as slick daughter or now. We've seen this look just anyway. The point is I watch Oklahoma and I look at Jalen hurts and I don't buy Jalen hurts bye and Lincoln Riley so tell me this. What is he doing now. I knew when chip Kelly was doing it. Chip was just speeding the game every thirteen seconds with Lincoln Riley without boring during the you-know-what schematically your back what is going what is he doing. Everybody's like I can't stop that okay he. There's two things happening is he. He is very good at getting. NFL style of matchups case so he changes his personnel group and his formation in and creates movement and motions in order to gain an advantage personnel wise. He does that as well as anybody to get a fast running back in a slime that's right or his fastest wide receiver on on a safety or a tight end on small corner so on and so forth. That's what the great offensive guys do. He creates matchups that are very advantageous for Oklahoma and then I think the most underrated part of this is that there are a lot of guys that can be great offensive coaches on Monday night Tuesday night Wednesday Thursday night forming these game plants. He's he's a special play caller when his timing and his ability to build on the offense see I think great play callers that what they do is they take their offense and they build a narrative for the defense to look at and while the defense doesn't even understand it. They're subconsciously communicating things to the defense with those looks folks those formations the movement and what happens is they have plays and plays and plays off of the same looks and action and so if you're a linebacker now you're you're sitting there and you've seen the guard and tackle poll four different times out of four different formations but every time that they pull men they run that counter scheme and here comes that counter and it's a dangerous run scheme and you gotta go up and stop it. We'll all the sudden garden tackle poll now now. It's a fifth time you've seen it and you run right up into the line of scrimmage and and then Calcaterra the tight end just kind of POPs right by he's wide open behind the linebacker's same. Yes it looks the same it simple for the offense. It's repetitive for the offense and yet for the defense. It's maddening to try to decipher and recognize it so he does a great job with formations personnel creating matchups and then off of that he does a a marvelous job. He's the best in the country at building his offensive system during the game as a play caller and he does that as well as anybody okay. Now you know there are seven big brands in college football. We've talked Michigan Ohio State Alabama Oklahoma Texas Notre Dame in USC. Just nothing against the rest of them. Those are the big brands those move the T now Georgia's great but they don't move at TV number like an Alabama. US loses in Seattle this weekend. They're looking for a new football coach. Coach probably even with last week's win and that was all well and good you know have the third string guy fink come in and beat Utah and so on and so forth you should be use on calcium bottom bottom line. Do you think they can beat washing. No I don't I think Washington is really good. Jacob Easson The quarterback gone underrated twenty four twenty eight at Byu in a win last week. I think Washington Ashington is underrated in large part because everyone wrote them off after they lost to cal cal's a pretty good football team defeated. Justin Wilcox has one of the best secondaries in the country and so I think USC goes up there and I think they'd get beat pretty handily washing whoa now now. You ought to what the number is. I think it's fourteen. Oh that can't be the number. I don't know if it's a believe it's fourteen goulet looked at up. You're you're a degenerate anyway. I think it's got to be closer to nine. What what gets waxed. Do It's ten and a half holy. Moly to me they. They know it should be higher. Okay according to Fox bet to ten and a half well. USC is looking for new coach Saturday night right Joel Klatt. We gotta get out here. It was almost upset been perfect. Why are you running away from out of time you like Western Kentucky to beat a Panera Bread Outta here. We gotta go to hurt Washington State at Utah One more I heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like Jordan Palmer played in the NFL for four years drafted in the six round out a you tap. I've gone to a couple of symbols there he does the elite eleven camps. He's he's been to. Everyone and you have worked with when they were just tixx. Patrick mahomes Daniel Jones Josh Allen Deshaun Watson Sam Darnold Kyle Alan. We saw so let's start with I was just saying this about Dak Prescott. The cowboys have done a great job to spot talent vander rash first round demarcus Lawrence. They built the best offensive line if they knew that was going to be this good that a paid him two years ago right so they got him about twenty six million not like thirty five he doesn't blow me away in many instances Jordan but there is something about just lack of a smarter word it as somebody who seem all these quarterbacks you you look at film for days the good the bad what is DAX it. What is his. What do you see with Jack. We'll I think I've seen I've kind almost changed. My opinion or my opinions evolved on Dak really in the last month or so. Oh and I know you've said this that playing quarterback for the cowboys is different than a lot of other jobs in sports or playing quarterback for any other team really would have seen from. Dak is the last three years. I think the best thing I'd say about is poised. He was as a rookie yeah right because he was third on that depth chart ironically behind Kellen Moore yeah right and so how well he played as a rookie and how poised voiced he was and even fast forward another year so that was kind of the best thing. I'd say about him because I thought he did everything pretty good but this last year of the Z. Cold Out of the anticipation and the you know them not coming to a deal for for doc and the way that last season ended and because how he has compartmentalized everything everything and then now is playing the best football of his career I shit my opinion is evolved. I I do think he's great for him to bet on himself and I think the cowboys looking at this Yup. There's a theory that they could have paid him back and save money back then or there's also Jerry Jones who's one of the greatest marketing minds in sports sitting here going I wa- string strings on another couple of weeks and he plays at this level. Nobody's GonNa Disagree with what we pay him and that's going to be part of the narrative yeah okay so Baker Mayfield. I think he's very very accurate. I've been very critical of Baker but I my eyes tell me this is not all Baker now. He does spring out of the pocket a little too much. I don't think he's the athlete people portray around four eight forty. I think he's he's Nimble enough but when I watched Cleveland now and I'd be the first jump on Baker. I don't see all of Baker's issues. What are you seeing from the offense what they're running. Does it fit his skillset. Yeah I definitely do not think that this all falls on Baker. I think he is above average. I think he's mobile right. You're the faster mobile. He can move around and he can create time space. Which is what I always talk about great time and space. There's two ways to win and to move the ball through the air and you have to beat man coverage and you have to be zone coverage and when you're beating man coverage you do it with a mismatch you do it with leverage into it with you know crossing round pick plays. They're going to see a lot of men covers. Look at their roster got Odell Beckham Junior. They got juice landry. They got David and Jo that you're going to see a lot of man coverage almost as all the way you beat zone. Coverage is throwing two spots with touch in anticipation and part of it is the quarterback about trusting that you're going to get there and part of it is the receiver consistently getting the exact same spot okay. That's what's interesting to me. What you see. It's not happening. The second one's not happening. They're not seeing a lot of coverage so unsown. Baker had to pick one versus Tennessee and he got smashed. He threw three picks and all this stuff but I saw something that Osho used to I do when I played in Cincinnati and it happens where it's supposed to be an eighteen yard dig right Dick and because the receiver so used to kill in the DB or beating the guy covering covering him which in zone coverage you don't need to do that get to the spot. He doesn't extra move and the timings off and Baker throws it to a spot and the receivers not ready the the pick goes on Baker's dot com but the reality is is you. If you can't trust the guys are going to be in the same spot every single time then you gotta wait to see it. You're six foot whatever he has six months to the offensive line as you pointed out is the weakness now you're GonNa do what you have to do to survive and for him in college that was moving to his is right so the result is Baker getting out of there to his right but the genesis of the problem is just not being on the same page and how you beat zone coverage which is receivers gets executor exactly you're landmark on time quarterback throughout their trust that they're going to be no. BJ's doing his own thing sometimes at the top of the routes if he feels it can beat somebody so that that's why that's all my eyes are telling me this is not Alan Baker okay so an interesting player is regardless of if the panthers are GonNa move off camera not. I'm a recruiting junkie. I saw Kyle Allen footage. He was an Arizona kid sermon high. It was as good a high school quarterback had ever seen then he has a weird college thing gets buried in depth chart am and then he reemerges in Carolina Carolina. my is telling me he's good enough to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. I'M NOT GONNA take too much from week one but you've had him in lead eleven's is he a franchise level quarterback yeah yeah and I felt this way for a long time because if so much about how your success that happens early in your NFL career is your entry point into the thank you yeah you. You get drafted high. You get a longer leash. The lover drafted and if you're kyle who was not even invited to the combine let alone drafted you short leash right so much of that is the reason that he had such a tough entry point into the NFL is what happened in college. He's a top recruit. He chooses Texas over. Everybody plays really well. His is true freshman year. Inter cuyler Murray who from a lot of people who I think no high school football think tyler is the greatest high school football player in the state of Texas history three. That's a relevant thing for me. This awesome names on the edge young as high amazing names on that list and Kyle's dad went Dana today. So cuyler comes in one another. What ends up happening. is they kind of plan to quarterbacks. There's not really any communication education around it and they both play bad and Kyle transfers and the next couple of days later cuyler transfers. Yeah cow goes to Houston and Tom Herman. I'm going to be here transfer. Sit Out. We're going to build this thing. This is going to be awesome and after he sits out Tom Herman takes the Texas job which he should good yeah. You got you so again. The route Kyle Allen just like had to it like he had to parents bail on him the Kevin. Someone's like I love you not that much much and the Houston coaches. I love you and I'm taking so this. This is what happened. This is the route were a talented kit. This happens to people broadcasting. It happens to people in your business through the cracks and so oh. I think there's something there now. Let's talk about Kinda Murray so he's fascinating player. He he's kind of a he looks. There's a lot of Russell Wilson here. I looked to throw and I'm like comes off the hand quick. He's accurate tight spiral. He does look small to me. I'll say that that's a little warning flag that at five nine and a half hard to see over six six. Oh lineman what do you make so far of Kinda. Murray was at the game on Sunday the Panthers Cardinals Games so it was really interesting and fun and I'm actually going back this weekend. Carson's getting inducted elected into the cardinals ring great so Kylie that was really fun to watch to be honest is the first time where I'm sitting there going. This is like super entertain. That's what I told joy. I couldn't get off the game. I sat down for an hour. I couldn't get off it. I want to see what they're gonNA do next. Yes and I also played for the bears. When chip hip was Kelly was rolling in Philly and we had a Sunday night game and got the brakes beaten off of us and I was GonNa Lance Briggs Defense going. They're only running five plays but I went on it was just catching people off guard so much and I do see elements of that with what cliff and cuyler doing an Arizona the problem is I still think you have to be able able to turn around. Hand the ball to your running back and run inside zone a handful of times a game for a lot of reasons yes and just get four yards and so if everything is has has a potential of a big play or negatively and that's what I see with Ice Lert it. That's what I see. I see the way they're doing it with and let's shift into Lamar Jackson would Lamar Mar.. I don't see much roller coaster. They're not putting him in situations to turn it over to have a great old line. They block the heck out of it. They run the Football Lamar I. I don't see this wild unevenness cuyler. I sense we're going to have months where he's unbelievable and weeks. He's awful. I think Lamar Jackson is working. I do think a lot of this is what the offensive line in the running. What do you see what Lamar does anything concern you. What do you really like or think anytime. A quarterback runs is a lot. I'm concerned about the injury injuries but one of the things I've seen from Lamar's. He doesn't take a necessary hits at all you remember. Rg Three Lord trying to get an extra yard and getting absolutely smoked on the sideline. I'm watching Lamar not really get hit. Get the yards get down. Get Out of bounds so Russell's and other guy who takes it does a great job of protecting himself yes so the injuries are less concerned about it that way but when I am concerned about is is so much of the success is coming from run pass options. RPO's does or at least just we call this play and there's a bunch of answers built into this play. I still think to win championships. You have to be able to pre snap snap. Get into different place yes now. This is the second year for Lamar every young quarterback. It takes a while to be able to put that on their shoulders olders and so right now. I think it's working. I think it's going to work. I think they're going to continue to have a really explosive. You're a season on offense but at some point you're you're three or four. The big picture here can go there where you're actually having multiple options before and multiple options afterwards because right now. He's proven that he can take a huge step step. He looks a lot better as a thrower and he looks way more in control of the offenses last year which is natural to second year. You've done a lead eleven since nineteen ninety nine Jordan Palmer Palmer quarterback coach and mentor. You had Patrick Mahomes. Are you even surprised by what you're seeing yeah. I'd spent time with him when he was in college in unclear. If was the guy who reached out and said I got this thing this guy. This freak is funny. I talked to cliff before the game in this last weekend and we were talking about pat and and the part that doesn't surprise when you take that type of player and you put them with Gallagher. Andy Reid Lord so Andy Reid has less than zero you go whatever that is in terms of trying to change him and I don't like the wind up. His feeder jacked up. I'm going to get him to do this and they're just letting him play away. Yes some some no looker some some stuff. Yeah gotta get better at that. If we change our feet this way you'll get more consistent on these type throws and Patas sociable is yes absolutely great kid rock star human but with it's just that combination of him and Andy and Andy just knows how to get the most out of his guys by not trying to a change that he's also a great play designer with that being said of course surprised this dude is completely taking over the NFL awesome. It'd be this. I said yesterday he's gotTa Steph Curry Component where Steph curry ten years ago. If I told you win championships just shooting threes there'll be no more centers and Steph curry started that with mahomes. You're like maybe you don't have to be great on defense. It's maybe you can score thirty four game. I contend Jordan that Bill Belichick has suffocated seven straight quarterbacks. Patrick scored twenty four and a quarter on him and that's why they went and got a b bills like listen. I that wasn't a bad weather in Kansas City like I think Patrick is that I think it Steph curry you can he can score twenty seven quarter and you're like yeah that's what he does. During the second quarter so far in two of his second quarters he has four four hundred seventy yards six touchdowns and fifty one points in the last two second quarters and it just that's just that is a game for the quarterbacks in the League. Finally Daniel Jones I watched him in college and I'm like he can. He's a little Alex Smith. He can move I. I didn't see that he looked better as a pro. Is it because he's got better. It's not better coaching right because you know we. We've talked about that right. How can a guy look better as a pro. Josh Allen Right a year ago ago. How do you look better as a pros looks better today than a year ago against ACC defense. It's that's that's what my so. What am I what's my mistake. What am I missing one of the things that Duke is a he ran for his life as much as any college quarterback that I've evaluated. It was just he's in a tough spot. Kid is tough as nails. He's a great athlete and he also had a lot of drops which does more than just not complete the ball. It does something to you if you're here when we did everything right and we still had a drop and we're now we're punting over and over and over again psychological component to that so he had a lot of adversity at Duke and I've said this before about about Daniel before last weekend and everyone jump on the bandwagon the last five years he's been really well developed its well-documented cliff coach a lot of guys at Duke and other places to the manning brothers all that but also has a private quarterback coach David Morris who used to backup UPI lie. He runs a quarterback coaching business. Friend of mine does a great job working with young guys. He's had him since like since he was a kid. So I'd say the last five years Daniel Jones during during the season and offseason has been well developed. I would make the argument that some of these quarterbacks in their fifth year bridgewater Bortles Derek Carr. They're in their fifth year of being really well developed look at the programs they came from different than Danielson so the only real discrepancy here is experience and now he's going to get a bunch of experience and I I would say for a rookie not being able to play with saquon Barkley and rely on that for a few weeks. It's GONNA be harder to win but it's going to be more valuable experience. I'm I bought saw a while ago. I think Jones is GonNa be a star. Wow wow well. I was laid on deck. I'll be late on this one my lesson and pivot quickly now. I mean I I listen. I watched him do punch and I'm like I don't listen. I watched Dak at Mississippi state again. A battle line and I'm like the key component here though is and and my brother is a perfect example who always says the way you went about your boss play for great on her. No candidates this group the New York giants care with their own line or their secondary secondary or their drafts two years ago. It was good or not. They have an ownership group. WHO's won two super bowls in the last whatever it is years they know how to do it? They're gonNA make good decisions. They're going to more often the not make a good decision and not you can't say that about every franchise by the way. Is this for your can't by the way that's some. You made a comment Amethi last time about hats so I was like I got to bring you. That's McKee some had yeah. This is generally don't looking at and let's be honest about this with my silver hair Megan. If I walked into a room right now joe new era knows how to do it it is I mean that's not necessarily how I'd wear it but Palmer. It's great to have fun down down there and congrats to your brother. The last dude joy with news heard on the news. This is the headline news organization that knows a thing about winning Super Bowls Patriots ownership group is that the buffalo bills on Sunday buffalo fans call themselves bills Mafia about both Mafia yes I do. They jump on tables. They jump on tables. They shotgun viewers shock onto beer before. Oh Yeah I want to call. Yes sure I've done that before the Red Cup thing in the ping pong ball's shooting beer. I mean like when you liked throughout. They grab the beer off the counter and fight the beer. No I have like not a warring now. I've never done that. Cut Your mouth special technique. When I was a kid they had in college at they. Call him a beer ball the beer bong yeah. I mean there's no reason for that anyway. They do all that but they also really care about their team and bill ballot. Check is is no stranger to the bills. Passionate fans prepared for their intensity. He said it's a very intense crowd. They're vocal totally into it and have a great passion for the game. Some some stadiums don't have quite the intensity buffalo dies. They have no other agenda there to watch the game. It gets very loud. This is this is a this is an extreme in compliment from Phil. Jackson usually says nothing about anything but I think he also is kind of recognizing. This is a really big game and also he's seen Buffalo's those defense on tape real pass they are I and you start allowed her drive third in touchdown percentage for drive and I and percentage of three and outs force they also the fifth ranks rush rush offense. Yes they rebuilt line. They added multiple free agent linemen. They draft one in the second round so I mean they really went out joy in the off season and they said we have to get get better in this unit and they just went and drafted it. It's almost like what the packers did with linebacking corps get better faster linebackers and they just went attacked it so case keenum at a rough night turning the ball over five times. The redskins lost to the bears got so bad Monday night that fans were calling for Dwayne Hoskins but head coach Jay Gruden isn't ready to go to the rookie not lost. It's not not old granddaughter. Buddy wants to say over and over. Go ahead and play Athens but we feel competent. We can turn this thing around. You know so you know. I'm out here practice every day. We're out here. PRAC- everyday evaluating everybody. We feel like doing the best chance the win in a game. We'll definitely put Duane in there if you like it when he gets L. Pecan Colt right now. We feel like it's case keenum and we're going to order them this week. Boise voice he big sign that he's saying the season's over put Dwayne Haskins and either I I told you I think it's GonNa work. I just think he needs time but you know again. He falls into the baker category. He's going to have to be better than average because of that ownership yeah he's GonNa have to overcome a lot of dysfunction violate speaking of that dysfunction the browns have not great so farthest season and Freddie kitchens already in the hot seat bleacher reports might Freeman spoke with two. NFC assistant coaches who think he will end up being the scapegoat if Brown's can't turn things around one of the coaches. It's not all Freddie salt but if this blows up he will get all of the blame. There's no. There's absolutely no doubt that this is what's frustrating frustrating about it because none of us know what to expect what to make Birdie kitchens because we haven't seen Freddie kitchen. That's right. I don't think anyone's rooting against kitchens. It's just that we don't know what he is dot got said it seems like that higher being in a situation where you let. Hugh Jackson go the offensive coordinator go and you have a young quarterback and Baker Mayfield and you bring in all these high profile talented pieces. You Might WanNa bring in a coach that is of that level well. I mean Michael Parsons doing something right now. not the thing that Freddie kitchen shouldn't have gotten the job but it kind of felt like it was it was Baker's decision and then he doesn't really have the power to overrule some Dorsey and the organization this offense. I've got landry joke who I had chubb a battleline and Odell Beckham would be a challenge for Andy Reid. This would be hard for the veteran coach exactly which is unfortunate phrases position whitten season around who knows what's GonNa Happen. Obviously still very early. McCarthy would have been a good hire. Mike McCarthy would have been the perfect hire by the way because he's dealt with a quarterback with opinions right and Freddie might end up being good higher but are are. They going to give him that opportunity at the bouncier. It doesn't turn out with expectations thought it would. John Dorsey is career. Now is tied to this if they go into the tank door. She's not taking the hit here join with news well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie. I don't know if you suggested that before. McCarthy would have been perfect you dealt what was some of the nonsense. Aaron but you deal with like media stuff like with Baker you gotta be dealing with the media because Bakers GonNa talk and he's going to draw attention. He's GonNa do national commercials so WBZ welterweight champion Porter. He's got to fight at the staple center in three days. Champ versus champ is coming up and join us for that be sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays Jason Noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the IHEARTRADIO APP in just three days. It's champ. Versus Champ is errol. The Truth Spence junior takes on showtime Shawn Porter and a world championship unification bout at Staples Center plus champion. Anthony Durell defends his title against David Ben Evita's Saturday at nine eastern six Pacific live on pay per view or order on the Fox sports. Only three times in fifteen years has there there've been a you know welterweight unification bout so this is a big deal sean porter who is from Akron Ohio and Akron very well. Oh yes from Akron Ohio by the way guys do not use your girlfriend or your wife Shampoo. Get Your own dove. Men Plus Care has created a range designed to give your the carrot needs stay strong and more resilient available at a walmart so good stuff today. We're going to have sean on just a couple minutes. he's also. Fox Sports boxing analyst it'll be at the staple center so what's interesting about this is Sean Porter his father first of all he's from Akron and he's not that far from Lebron James Age so as he was a young guy growing up his dad has been a longtime trainer Lebron James. The the legend of Lebron James Fifteen years ago as being born in Akron Ohio. Isn't that amazing that right now. Cleveland's got one of the best. UFC fighters. They have Sean Porter. They have Lebron James. Isn't that isn't it. It's amazing like right right. Let's bring him on Shawn Porter. WBZ Welterweight Champ Sean come on in over here. He's a huge Cleveland Brown fan which is means. He's all bummed out from Sunday. Tonight was tough. Sunday night was tougher you. The browns lost that body go go go go was was on Sunday night so you're from Akron and when you're getting into boxing and growing up. Did you know about Lebron James Maxey from Northeast Ohio. I'm from Cleveland so I'm born and raised in Cleveland. I know everything says Akron but it's actually from Cleveland. I didn't catch onto Lebron slot think I was about a junior high school at that point. I was living in Akron area so I I didn't catch onto who Hula Brown was until I think I was about junior high school and then you started hearing about him. Oh it was. It was amazing like what people say about him. They say he was the next he they say way back then he was going to be who he is now and I'm I'm. I'm just glad that he lived up to it all yeah. He's been a good dude. He's been a good deal on and off the court and You Oh you definitely from another from a Athle- I admire him to the fullest not just because he's from Akron but because of who he is on offer the core so this is a unification bout about you and errol spence. He is the favourite. You're going in as an underdog now most of your fights. You've been favourite will will you be does an underdog. Make you more aggressive or more cautious if it's corrected. I'm usually the favorite to win fights. I think usually the underdog and you fought everything. That's that's three times yeah well. I mean for me for for for betting at least I don't think desktop from me until maybe my twenty fifth or twenty six fights so you know you don't you don't get to be your you know you going out into the game you don't you know you can't be bet on all right so you. Do you feel like you should be an underdog in this fight and look at it you know to me I. I don't think there is in this fight there really there's no underdog in his fight we both this evening evenly matched fight. I think that you know there's some things that he's done and sport and has made some noise in the way that you know some of the things I've done have been overlooked but to me. This is a this is a even fight Sean. We all know that styles make fights when pack yell fought Thurman. It became came very apparent house. Frenetic style gave Thurman a lot of trouble. You styles make fight Muhammad. Ali Gave George Foreman. The style worked to all of a lifetime. Not Sean talk about the styles between your you and errol. I'm Ma very aggressive fighter. I think everyone that's the question in everyone's mind can aerospace handle migration and you know. I think my team we've developed a way to use music aggression in an intelligent way and and also I think in in my very last fight definitely my last two fights you. I showed that I can box he. He used the ring and so I think that with this here's just a combination of using both at the right times so for me. This fight is not about one specific Pacific style. That's GonNa work against spend blessing is that I'm a fighter that that has multiple styles and it's just about which style I use at which point in the fight say take care of it. Have you ever had a fight. Sean where mid fight like Thurman had to changes game plan about third round got knocked down in the first yeah if you had fight. You're comfortable comfortable saying this isn't working moving to this year. There's you with boxing. You have to be able to do what we call making adjustments basically if your job is not touching the guy if you want to the basic punches in boxing are touching the guy you have to figure out what adjustment you need to make in order to make those two punches effective and so with this. I Hi we know that migration is going to be effective. We know that the body punching is going to be effective but we also know that boxing from the outside and using their long arms and the speed is going to be effective as well so it's just about which time the US which style now I would argue that championship bouts are as much mental toll as physical You're in a good spot. Now you feel good about it. I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that anything that you do at the highest level level is just as much mental as physical and I think that right now I'm in a place from a mental standpoint that I've never been in This is the first this is the first time that I've been able to really hone and not just from the physical things. I'm doing but also the mental things you do. Do you now taking connotes. I got no pad with notes from. I got two three coaches over there. My Dad had system coach longtime trainer yeah and then also another coast because Larry Way. My brother has been there helping me as well. He's text me notes everything to everyone's taught me and show me through this camp. I've written it all down. It's their words but it's my handwriting is my note my preparation from a mental standpoint to look too far ahead. Floyd Mayweather one of the great fighters pound for pound of all time. Do you believe he fights again. I don't thanks so I don't know we. My Dad had a little discussion about that the other day. He thinks he well. I don't think he will do you wish you would have the opportunity back then I was you know we. We were all screaming his name. We all wanted it back then. I felt like I was I was ready. I know now in two thousand nineteen back then I was. I'm talking doc in maybe two thousand and fifteen thousand sixteen back then we were saying his name felt like we're ready. I know right now. I'm ready to take on a manny pacquiao Floyd Mayweather. Any of the greats shocked that Packie out is still as effective now. I'm not I mean we just talked about it is when you get it to. A certain level is just as much mental as it is winning the fights mentally but there's also other things that come into play as well the kind of lifestyle that you live the kind of things that you do outside of the sport of boxing for me even when I'm not at the gym training doing boxing work to go out and play basketball. I still get on track and do track workouts. I still get out and bike ride right. There's there's a lifestyle that comes along with being the kind of champion that Manny Pacquiao has been and so when you go up against a young guy like Keith Thurman you know not to I'd say he lives about life but manny Pacquiao has lived a life to allow him to sustain everything that he that he had when he first came into the game with until now Shawn's rare there. It is incredibly rare. I covered sugar ray. Leonard for Awhile and sometimes boxing can be very cruel ends very quickly and then you have the elegance of many like rob. Roberto Duran was kind of cruel at the end. It was tougher how you want to do this. I don't know I don't know like I said before for me. At this point in the game name is by me sending ago achieving ago and then moving on from there. Were you have a great reputation can't wait to watch it staples center in Los Angeles by the way everything is going to be okay with the browns. The schedule was a little difficult. You're a Cleveland guy now. They'RE GONNA lose against Baltimore. This Day and that's going to be tough now. Now going into the season I after game one I said Oh I don't know what for the Ravens not for the browns but after game one for the Ravens I mean I was like wow and their consistency is is the Mars plan his tail off. He is a good luck with both my fancy lease. Pat Get your sleep. Get your ass fuck. You gotta shine porter all right. We're we're out. We'll see you tomorrow. Thursday packers eagles the hank any podcast passes out now on my show you'll find honest goff talk with powerful opinions the best instruction and captivating interviews. I've coached for over forty three years ears and work with the best of the best on the BJ door now. 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Paul George, Magic Johnson, Kyler Murray, and Antonio Brown

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Paul George, Magic Johnson, Kyler Murray, and Antonio Brown

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You're listening to Fox Sports radio. Here we go to Tuesday loaded show. This is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening. It is wet as always Los Angeles. Joy Taylor is joining me. Great to have everybody end today. Joy. How are you? Is that it is always in Los Angeles rain, the next three days. I feel if Mike for all the people that own ski resorts and reservoirs in America. Congratulations out west. It's very strange. It's been crazy. It's a cold wet winter in Los Angeles complaining now known as good for the state's good for the you know, it's good for the farmers. It's good for the ski resorts. It's good for California. It's pouring all the time. Today, we get a brief break and tomorrow, again, I was just told it's going to be pouring. I was just joking with the guys I retweeted Jimmy Butler today. I hope that's not tampering. I'll get to Magic Johnson in a couple of minutes. Let me start with us though. NFL media smarter than the NBA media. More sophisticated the NFL media doesn't fall for gimmicky stats. The NBA media still does Russell Westbrook's getting all the headlines this morning every article I read Russell Westbrook makes history tenth consecutive triple double Ovalles. God. It's history every newspaper every blog. Oh my God. Can you believe it Westbrook is making history? The triple double in the NBA has become hitting for the cycle in baseball. You do realize that Babe Ruth never hit for the cycle. Twenty two years. Babe Ruth, pry, the greatest baseball never have the cycle Aaron hill. Journeyman? Infielder hit for the cycle twice in three weeks. Triple double is hitting for the cycle cool headlines while I'd rather a baseball player. Go four for four with four Jack out of the stadium because in baseball, the only thing that really matters run scored who leads the league in runs scored crossed the plate that win games. The best player for Oklahoma City last night was Paul George again. I don't know if you've noticed he's arguably after James harden, the MVP he's averaging forty points a game in February his plus minus last night was plus fourteen. He scored forty seven last night. He's the reason they won not a headline. Russell Westbrook's plus minus was plus one by the way, he's fourth fourth on his own team in plus minus. He was one for six last night in threes. He was five for nineteen from the floor. And that's the headline. Congratulations NBA media for now. Getting it for for falling for gimmicky stat. Babe Ruth never hit for the cycle. Okay. Congrats for for four. I'd rather be four for four with four jacks. And I don't care about fake rebound. Alan Iverson, one career triple double 'cause Allen Iverson actually played defense and gave effort on both ends of the floor. And Alan Iverson was at hanging around the rim getting fake rebounds. Did you hear this an amazing piece of audio after the game Paul George listened to how? Totally obsessed with this triple double stat, by the way, Westbrook can no longer shoot sixty five percent from the line twenty four percent from threes. And he knows it. So he loves this stat because it overshadows the bigger problem. He's a guard who can't shoot you can't be short and not be able to shoot in the NBA, you can be tall and not be able to shoot. But if you're short you've got to be able to shoot. All right. Sorry. You you gotta be able to shoot. Listen to Paul George after the by the way, he was a plus fourteen after the game. We talked about it at a. Right before that play. We talked about it. I was clueless at that moment. But you know, he told me to situation. So it was cool to be on the triple double. Your Paul George was actually worried about you know, winning Westbrook came up to him. Hey, man. One more of these have a triple double. I just Westbrook have one of those fitbit's tells him you're almost got a triple double even as a cyst sometimes fluff. He doesn't move the ball. You know, if a guy's wide open, and he gets doubled he'll pass to him. But I feel like sometimes sometimes even into cysts have fluff feel too. But I mean, you know, the NFL the NFL media doesn't fall for passing yards. Matt Stafford has a million passing yards. Kirk cousins has a million passing yards. Do they have one signature play in the history of their careers? The NFL media's figured it out that passing yards have a direct correlation to a bad team trailing in a game. You wanna know who led the NFL last year in passing yards? The team the Tampa Bay Buccaneers led the NFL in passing yards. But the NFL media doesn't freak out over it. Because it doesn't what does it mean. Twelve quarterbacks through over four thousand yards last year. Half didn't even make the playoffs. So I'm not saying passing yards me nothing. You. Wouldn't want to generally be last in the NFL passing? But it doesn't translate to wins half the teams that had it last year didn't make the playoffs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let it didn't make the playoffs. All it means is you're generally behind in games and have to throw to catch up. The triple double. It grabbed all the headlines last night. Paul George to me is the most valuable player right now in the league. Not James harden, James Harden's, the best score. But he didn't play defense like Paul, George Paul George loose is feeling great. He's the MVP of the league he had forty seven. He had a plus fourteen plus minus and the headline is that stupid. Triple double garbage. I mean, I'm sorry. But if you win the game eight two seven in baseball, I don't give a rip about an individual stat for a guy that hit a triple in the third inning with nobody on was stranded there. I mean, the NBA media. It's embarrassing now. That's the headline. Not that Paul George is the best two way player in the NBA this morning, and unlike Leonard he's out there every night pull Georgia best two way player in the NBA nulla Brown right now last sixty days Paul George best player in the league. If defense matters calming nutty. I think it does. All right. I'm going to introduce something new today. Let me shift gears. The NBA's investigating Magic Johnson. And the Lakers if they have potentially violated tampering rules. By you know, talking about Magic Johnson talking about Ben Simmons. It should be noted. Magic Johnson was a great player. He now leads the NBA tampering. He's become very good at it. Magic Johnson rolls out of bed and he's just tampering with the light. Switch with his bagel hedging Johnson tampers twenty four seven. But here's here's what happened and this happens in life, and I'm going to introduce you to something it's called the. That's just rule. Think about that watching driving that just rule Simon Cal gets to use that Simon Cowe can be. So mean, that's just Simon. Cal Charles Barkley says things. No other broadcaster broadcasting for the NBA could get away with. Well. That's just Charles Barkley. Magic johnson. Talks about players jokes about stuff. That's just Magic Johnson. Tampering two years. He's fun the jokes member when he went on television. Fox remember, this can you imagine Danny age of the Celtics doing this. Nobody what in the what? Thank. Trying to build a championship team with the Lakers. And hopefully next summer will be in line assigned created. It's just Magic Johnson. John Daly this engulfed is that smoking. You got to kick that guy. Of course. That's just John Daly, many many Ramirez member Manny Ramirez. One of the great all-time players for the Red Sox. Manny Ramirez once cut off a throw. He was a left fielder. He wants cut off a throw from center fielder. Johnny Damon made a play at the wall balls loose Johnny Damon. Throwing it back to the infield, the cutoff man, Manny Ramirez, cuts off the cutoff, man. Just Manny Ramirez even term for. It's just Manny. Manny, Gordon Ramsay on those cooking shows, you're like what a jerk. Oh, not really. It's just Gordon Ramsay being Gordon Ramsay. It's called all introduce it to you in life, and it matters. And we use it all the time. The that's just rule. Magic Johnson's not tampering. That's just Magic Johnson. Tell he talks. He's always talked. He's funny. People like him. I've been in rooms with Magic Johnson. He's always smiling even this past week when he was angry at the pelicans. He was kind of smiling as he said, you know, there's a lot of stuff out there. We didn't course, give it any of the stuff. I went to a Laker game a year ago. It was unbe. I'd never seen anything like it. And I got decent seats. Right. I'm around midcourt about thirty rose up sitting with the NBA Commissioner, just joking. Anyway, I was at the game. And I look over to the right? And the crowd rises. And I thought it was a fight you ever you ever gone to a stadium and everybody's getting up and you're like, oh, there's a fight and I looked over in the crowd. And I couldn't see a fight. And it looked on the floor. And I didn't see a fight. And the crowd section by section by section by section by section was standing. And Finally, I saw it. Magic Johnson who's been in that building ten thousand times. Head simply emerged from the tunnel. And people stood section by section to get a glimpse. Of a guy they'd seen play. Stand talk in Los Angeles for thirty years. He's not tampering. He's a superstar. That's just magic great stuff today were absolutely packed. I will tell you that Keiler Murray is to play in the NFL the as can by the way, they could pay all they want. They don't have a ton of money as a franchise. I would not draft Cuyler Murray myself, but I do think he's a first round draft pick a lot of rumors today. Arizona would like him at the number one pick out on by it. But it's the sizzle steak rule. And I'm a state guy over says oh guy, and I'll explain what I mean. Coming up next be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern ninety emphasis back on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. Hey, Mario Lopez here. And I really hope you can check out my new podcast. Listen tomorrow. T am going to be having some really cool casual in-depth conversations with a lot of amazing and fascinating people some of your favorite celebrities, everyday heroes. Newsmakers even some of my friends and a few of my family members. Definitely sided. Me that you've never seen before. So please, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts, by the way. There's a reason that Boston keeps beating Los Angeles. In sports Red Sox over the dodgers patriots over the Rams. There's a reason they're hockey team is generally better than the one out here. And there is a reason for all of this because Boston is a city of steak and very little sizzle that doesn't mean they didn't have Manny Ramirez that doesn't mean Jason Tatum doesn't have some cool in his game. But the city of Boston with crappy weather windy is academically driven analytically driven. They have a little little sizzle there ninety five percents stake, Los Angeles is of course, a sizzle town. And they've got some they got some steak too. But it tends to lean closer to fifty fifty stake in sizzle RAMSAR a lot of says well in the Super Bowl out and get a lot of steak. I got a lot. Got lost the law. Sizzle I hear that all the time Cuyler Murray announced yesterday he's gonna play in the NFL. I would not draft him as a franchise quarterback. I would not. But I do think he's a first round quarterback the NFL. The game has changed. There's more college offense in the pros. He has a very nice touch throwing the football terrifically athletes. There are some red flags though. Number one size. He's tiny number two only played seventeen college games, historically that doesn't work in. Oh, yeah. There was this interview on the Dan Patrick show. Got I felt sorry for Dan. The kid knew the question was coming. But would you want this to be the leader of your three billion dollar franchise? Here you go. Do we have the Dan Patrick interview? Let's just say he was brutal and didn't answer. Are you going to? Dad is he going to the combine? Dad had no comment pro day. I mean, that's after the. Yeah, you're gonna do pro day. Yeah. Yeah. I guess if you ac-. Yeah. Yeah. That that that's going to be the face of three billion dollar franchise. New interview was coming in those questions were coming head to keep turning the dad K. He's tiny hasn't played many games that ain't great. Okay. He's going to get drafted and the NFL's change. But I want to remind everybody of something I see this with parenting. I see it with business the NFL's in a very interesting place. Now. Is that people are giving up on their principles for sessile? Big twelve guys run around call. What about Patrick Mahomes? Patrick, Mahomes, a Kansas City is ninety five percents stake. Yeah. Caisley Heathrow's without looking. He is a six three two hundred twenty eight pound rocket arm quarterback. Who is great from the pocket that is all steak who's funny in front of a microphone who's big and tall who can run. But would prefer to throw from the puck. Don't tell me Patrick Mahomes as sizzle patrimony about five percents kid is steak. He is big. He is strong. He's got a rocket arm. He is unbelievable in front of a microphone. I'd get my franchise. Patrick Mahomes any day of the week that kids a franchise quarterback. K kinda Marie small only played seventeen games. And that interview is embarrassing that that's not on Dan, Patrick that is not on Dan, Patrick. He's asking legitimate question. That's on the kid. That's embarrassing. Okay. And let me just say this. This is happening in American. I thought the NFL with Mitch. Bisky Mitch Trubisky for the bears has to run to be successful will never be an elite thrower and played one year of college. And the bears drafted of number one. None of those things say number one pick. I mean Lamar Jackson at least went later in the first round. But Lamar has to run to be successful will never be an elite thrower and he became a quarterback. Like, this is the way it works, folks. Six three or taller preferred throw of Nepal cket, generally less mobility's, actually better because it forces you to learn the pocket game faster. Russell Wilson's outlier. Russell wilson. Ran too much early. Then about year three he totally committed to the pocket and now he runs, but when Russell Wilson runs is all about throwing he is keeping his eyes downfield. I'm gonna throw on throw on throw. So Dwayne Haskins of Ohio State is the best quarterback in this draft. He's not athletic. He's just big. All strong and throws the ball accurately. I'll just lay it out right here. I took darnold over Baker. And I still think ten years down the road that's going to be the winning formula. All take Ohio states quarterback. He doesn't run around. He doesn't need to run to be successful. He borders on unathletic. He's not really an Atley fact when he runs his accuracy depths. He can move a little to his throwing side. I'll take the Ohio State guy. I'll take the Ohio State on ago with a stake. I'm going with six four ongoing rocket arm. I'm going in the pocket. I'm going with a guy. That's got no mobile. I'm taking the Wayne Haskins because I'm seeing this. Now, an all the time in America. Folks, the rules parenting don't change. Don't give your kid a BMW at sixteen. Don't get your daughter enhancements at sixteen. Don't do that. I don't care what Twitter tells you to do. Love your kid go to bed early. Do your homework when you get home from school, treat others like you like to be treated nothing in parenting changes be there for your kid not out partying nothing changes with parenting. I don't care about Twitter. Keep at most of the time and nothing changes for quarterbacks. Who's at the Super Bowl who runs the current dynasty, by the way, drew Brees is not ideal height. But all the things accurate pocket. Workaholic grownup. All the things I want drew Brees is I wish it was two inches taller. And kinda Murray's gonna plan. The NFL not saying that he's going to get drafted in the first round. I'm not saying that. But man, I'm seeing NFL teams. Now would Mitch Trubisky really jumped out to me bail on long held understood just because football has changed a little it hasn't changed a lot. Good tackling matters. Don't turn the ball over matters. I mean, all the stuff that wins Zuber bowls. Be smart. Nope. That New England Patriots. Don't get penalized. Never fumble. Never get called for holing. Don't turn the ball over in the red zone. Don't give many points are good with special teams are always among the best tacklers don't drop passes that town New England's rebels and win Super Bowls. Because it's like this new crazy fangled wildcat that wildcat didn't win squat, right? Image Trubisky Goodwin. A playoff game. And the March Jackson was fun. Anyone playoff gay and B T me was supposed to beat. He played the second time either steak over sizzle Dwayne Haskins. My guy kinda Mary's going gonna get drafted ten years down the road. Maybe have a better rookie year. Because nobody's going to know how to defend him initially. Nobody's going to know how to defend Cuyler marine when it comes in the league for the first twelve fifteen games are gonna be like, go Lord. Where is that guy? I can't see them. But I'll take. Haskins twelve years in joy with the news. No heard on the news. This is the heard line news currently fifth in the east. They're going to erupt stretch both on and off the court after losing to the Lakers on Rondo buzzer. Beater, eight point lead to the clippers and Saturday. We're booed author home court and now Ryan win horses reporting that Jason Tatum wouldn't mind getting traded to the pelicans this summer as part of a deal for Dave excuse me. Yes, he said on ESPN radio. The gossip is Jason Tatum wouldn't mind if he's shipped to New Orleans and has a chance to be the face of a franchise somewhere because he's not going to get that opportunity in Boston at least not in the immediate future of us may sound dramatic. But he's averaging eighteen point three points per game. Thirty six minutes with the Celtics. He really should have been the number one overall pick. Yes. Yes. That's fine. But Michael Jordan wasn't okay. But Tatum really has hardened post. Okay. See potential. He does does you want to win or not? Are they going to win? Really gonna turn out the way that they're planning on it. A lot of guys playing for contracts on a lot of young guys. If huge chemistry issues, you have a good coach and a good GM. And are you well funded and do you have history? I think Jason Jason Tatum has a potential to franchisees not going to get that opportunity. So again, what does what matters. Do you wanna win because you'll get paid there, by the way, he'll get paid a lot of money money. If he if he can do it hardens doing what you consider that to be success harden, only one when I Paul said, I'll come play with you. He's not gonna play by himself. He's gonna need another piece. Nobody nobody wants to play in New Orleans. That's the problem. You're gonna go a franchise. Nobody wants to play that that neighborhood is a neighborhood in New Orleans that other stars don't wanna be in Boston may not be the best place for free agents. But it took place, it's not Indiana. It might be the best place for Jason Tatum either. And he's likely going to get moved because he's he's been in. Lots of trade conversations told me, this is funny. Kyri irving's. Hurt. Again, Jason Tatum doesn't want to be there. It's it's just a report that you wouldn't mind going to New Orleans eighteen didn't come out and say trading, if I came out and said, you know, I wouldn't mind working at the Bravo network that saying I'm not happy here. You know, vice is an interesting channel. I would I wouldn't say that because I'm like it where I'm at. I think Jason Tatum is a very impressive player. I think he's he could be the face of your franchise. I wouldn't mind marrying my neighbor. She's a very nice lady. That's not a good thing to save for your wife to here. He didn't though it's just the report from Brian wins. News is always theirs. Reports saying it's just the report panic happened fish players want to win games. He does want to win games. That's the point the situation in Boston is troublesome weird. I l k and and Tatum has potential, you know, told me at his pre draft workout tell people who early or Watson is my fiance. He's former coach of the sons and of great guy and basketball players. He said that he instead of shooting layups or jump shots for his warm up. He shot porn or threes and made thirty five straight before he was asked to move onto something else. He's a very impressive player, and he may not get an opportunity Boston, which is maybe why this imports. So after the news came out this morning calamari was hiring the same agent as cliff Kingsbury we stumbled across an article by our own Jason McIntyre that detailed potential landing spot for Josh Rosen. Oh, Lord should the cardinals decide to trade him? To New England. There were rumors that like Rosen's before last year's draft. So basically McIntyre details how would all work through a trade. The cardinals will take Kyla Murray. Wait a minute. That's interesting. So the cardinals have a bad offensive line really Junko line. It's old athletic. How do you solve that initially in short time? Give me a quarterback who can move Rosen can't move. So New England says listen, we got twelve graphics will give you three or four draft pick. You give us Rosen as a back. Oh my God. This is fascinating. This is fascinating talk about a win for. Josh rosen. Resin is a great fit for New England. Now, he's cerebral. He's act. You know, how you know at Bella check is I I don't know that his personality is the best fit for New England. Everything else makes sense. And it would have some couple years radian develop. He's not Tom. Very, okay. Can I just say this is the new greatest story that may never happen in the history of sports radio? I love it. I love the idea of it. But I'm saying the Tom Brady prototype personality like Royal outspoken. He has things to say does. But I do think we're seeing this with all athletes. They're just more mobile and more outspoken is a coach you've got to deal with some of it not all of it. I mean that that kind of Marie stuff with Dan do that at the quarterback position. He I think even he in the last year since Malcolm baller has lightened up a little in fact, I was told for the Super Bowl the Saturday before the Super Bowl at their walk through. He allows kids and and wives doll com. Never done that before the ballot. Check invited family endless. Now, he's saying he's loose. I'm saying Bella check in by family to the Saturday pre Super Bowl he'd never done that before that he has loosened. Up. Some I it would be very interesting. That's for sure finally the lions one of the five teams that can be forced to appear on hard knocks this season. But they appear to be doing everything they can do the flex the show to another team cigarettes into Matt Patricia what Matt Patricia thinks about it. I think Jon Gruden is an excellent choice for that show. I think you Oakland, Raiders and everything that got going on right now would be fantastic viewing for everybody to watch. He doesn't want anything. He's a former patriot. He knows his stuff garbage responded to petition comments and attacks to ESPN Paul Sierras writing O, I do not like that. They have a team has to do this. I think it's a colossal distraction. It almost always correlates with a bad season. It's just it's the part of your season while you're trying to put everything together and establish your culture, you show these guys getting cut granite. I love the show rate show. Yeah. But the fact that teams are forced to do with. It's the lions the raiders the forty Niners giants and Redskins, and they can't say, no, I love Gordon Ramsay, but I wouldn't want my stepson who's a chef to have to work for Gordon Ramsay. I can be entertained with something on television, not wanted to be part of my life. Like a hard knocks is wildly entertaining. I want don't want my football teams involved with it. I don't like it. They have to do it. And I get with petitions doing. But I also do not think that the raiders would be the ones that do. They don't even know where they're going to be playing on top of everything else. You're gonna you don't even know what you're going to play your games. Now, you've got hard knocks there. I honestly don't think the NFL is going to do that this year for that reason. There's there's too much going on there. But. Good heard line today. Thank you that may have been your best that was just all sorts of stuff, you you were just props away from setting a new standard in the industry. There is very good. Hopefully, my next. A lot of heat on you their joy with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Okay. Heard push our get in here. I don't even understand this. I do this is Chris Bruce are the voice of NBA this network that trusted ambassador basketball on this show. Okay. First of all, let's address I like Brian win horse. You know, Brian win. I know Brian. I think Brian is a very good job. He's a fine reporter. And generally if he says something he's not making crap up. Okay. Jason taylor. Okay. So I have always said. The way to rebuild his way. The Celtics are doing they didn't tank. They were competitive they hired a good coach they drafted. Well, they went all the traits. So they're doing it. Right. But I'm gonna say something right now. I think what's happening in the NBA is rebuilding. His crap Boston now, all this rebuilding. Gordon? Hayward doesn't fit Kyrie's hurt. And now Jason Tatum wants to be the face of the franchise is that while the franchises patient players are no longer patient. Well, it's tough to be on two different timetables. So you've got Cairo serving our Horford Gordon Hayward and so on and they are trying to win. Now. They're veterans who want to win a championship. Now. Did you've got young guys like Jayson Tatum? Jalen Brown so on and so forth. And I'm telling you when you're a young guy your number one priority is to establish yourself as a star. So you can get a max contract. Remember, this is a business for. These chirp if you're of that caliber is one thing if you just a Josh Hart who no disrespect to him, but you know, your role player, but if you have star aspirated and star caliber talent, the you're trying to be a star get that max contract, and then the winning becomes a priority. And we treat them like that when a guy's young first couple years heck avenue Davis right now, we're not holding it against that. He never wins. We're just saying look at the numbers. He's a superstar. He's only twenty five years old Karl Anthony towns, it's just now beginning to become a problem for people that hey, this do never wins. You know? So that's how the NBA works. So now in Boston, you've got kyri and so on and so forth ready to win now. And then you've got Jason Tatum. Jalen brown. Terry Rozier, still in their rookie deals who were looking at is there. We're looking at last season when they made the playoffs without kyri. And they made they made the Eastern Conference finals Dame seven without kyri. Terry Rozier was averaging thirty six minutes a game, sixteen points. Fourteen shots, not twenty three minutes nine points. Eight shots. Jaylen Brown's all those numbers of drop for him. Tatum's have dropped slightly it. He's still shooting about the same. But his points of drought. So they're looking at it as a business stamp, which I get LeBron kyri and everybody else looks at it as a business too. You know, and they're like, this is helping my business. I gotta get his deal. So even if consciously there with it or trying to be with it sub consciously they know that this is not good for they're gonna tell you. I look at this Celtics rebuild. And I think we have things happening. Lebron has been very much about player mobility and player empowerment, which I'm four, but it. It can be disruptive bartender. This Boston Celtic thing. Now does not feel nearly as viable in dynamic as a year ago. It just does not at all. And the other thing is I may have I'm not sure if I've said that on this show yet, but Brad Stevens, very good coat. Yeah. But there are coaches who when you don't have a lot of talent. You don't have any stars in any egos. They get the max out they bring you far. And you look at it like, wow, this coach is fantastic. But but we give them some. Then there those that can do that. But you give them some stars. And they can't maximize it and some that are vice versa. Good were stars. But not good with just Advil action was great with start. Right. Joe Torry the baseball manager. The Yankee struggle hit a losing record. But you gave him jeeter a rod and combustible. Have you ever been around? Joe torry? Oh, yeah. I mean, he's like the strict step dad, you don't screw with. But totally respect your little league. Coach and not even your real dad. He's you step dad, but you don't mess with him. Even when you get big and strong as a teenager, and you totally every kid in the neighborhoods. I go Joe Torry, Colin stage. Joe Joe with Joe, Tori? There's something to be said about this Brad St. fascinating Brad Stevens at Butler took to star recruits. It took star recruits. Now, you got some egos. You got a legitimate superstar. That's what Kyrie Irving is. Here's the thing. Boston has to realize and Danny aines does. And this is why he's moving the way. He is number one. He knows. Yeah. We can be good. We can get to the play offs without kyri. But we can't win a championship without kyri. And probably another superstar. Only twice Colin in the history of the NBA have teens one championships without a super Detroit Pistons Seattle Sonics, that's it. That's a history. Not just the last forty years the history. So that's why he wants to keep kyri. And that's why he's willing to give up all these other guys for Anthony Davis because he knows at least I have the building block of a championship team. And that's what you need in Boston. Don't go anywhere. I just one topic. Boy, you have delivered it today. Thank you. This was a fascinat-. I think this is fascinating. I was all in on the Celtics. And now, I got Jason Tatum. I wanna go to a crappy franchise NB the guy. I don't blame guys for one to be the guy, but what happened to winning? Yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay. So stay there. I got the Westbrook stuff that gimmicky statal warrior believe the way you can set you straight. Good luck with that. Mom, tried that for eighteen years college, be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern. Nine AM Pacific Senate earlier today, I am beside myself in the NFL everybody understands that passing yards or gimmicky staff that don't mean anything twelve quarterbacks threw for four thousand yards half didn't make the playoffs. It generally means you trail late and games. Tampa Bay Buccaneers led the NFL and passing yards. They literally did. The triple double has become that that island Iverson did at once because he played defense and didn't give me fake rebounds. He got out in the ass. Steals. Okay. Bundle. Again, great defender. He was he was physical for a size and he didn't do fake rebounds. So this triple double thing last night. Paul George is plus fourteen scores forty seven points, in my opinion. You can argue is the MVP with James harden, all the headlines are, hey, the guy that was one for six on threes issuing sixty five percent. Plus, minus of one got all the headlines. Can we acknowledge now the triple double has become a junk STAN, though, we can't fakery let me take your football analogy. Okay. You're right passing yards because you can get a lot of yards when the game is over right? But what if you got a ton of passing yards and you win then they become significant patent Aho's passing yards aren't insignificant those five thousand yards through are legit because they win. You know, what the Oklahoma City thunder record is these three years that Westbrook is average triple double. When he gets a triple double. They win most of their games. No. But they went allot more when he gets a triple double seventy two and twenty that's a sixty four win pace when he gives a triple double. He's helping his team win really those fake rebounds. They're not fake rebound. His plot as an e bios give fake rebounds in the entire league. It's that easy. Okay. Colin he just did something that nobody in the history of basketball now will now will K because the wheels records, we don't even like, we just don't even think about. Challenging because they're so cartoonish when you do something Wilt Chamberlain. Never did. That's incredible. Don't think that Westbrook. Literally, Paul George said after the game last night pulse. It I didn't know how to triple. Double. Russell came up to me and said, hey, I can get you triple double need one more assist. Paul George who wants to win. It's like I didn't. I didn't have any idea. You don't think Westbrook now, by the way, he can't shoot that's not disputable? And as he's become a worse shooter attendance head you've acknowledged he's broken shooter. He's doing he's more inclined to go triple doubles because it masquerades it's blemish on the pimples, which is due can't shoot. And so the triple doubles become the talking point instead of going Jason Kidd to the end before like, when's as again was really a tremendous player could he shoot he was a career forty percent chase and kid was a winner. He wanted to win. He never worried about he he has he didn't win anymore. Russell westbrook. As he went to a dump one a championship at the end. At night. High school Jason Kidd was about winning. He made the winning winning. Did he lied? Anything's championships. Russell westbrook. Can't get out of the first round. Russell westbrook. Had gone stay down three one and the Western Conference fine. Hooda coulda showed a he's been to the finals. Once he's screaming at Utah fans last year. He's melting down. Look Russell Westbrook has become a better passer. You watch him. A he is now not not getting those assists where I'm trying to score. Oh, I can't let me kick it to you. He's looking for guys he's setting guys up and Paul George. This is no coincidence. Paul George Stephen Adams Dennis this Schreuder and Jeremy grant all having career year because west because Westbrook has become a better facilitator. Yeah. No because he can't shoot so Westbrook. No, Alan Iverson the year. He wanted VP lead Philly to the finals Shaath forty-two percent. We're killing west because he basically shooting forty two percent. Iverson's years. The hand check the game. It's much easier to shoot forty two percent today. You don't think it is? You can get you can gay fits is not what it used to be on that. And I'm not saying Westbrook because shoot, but I just gave you every number this team mates are playing better. His team is nine and one in this ten games threats thirsty in the west. He seventy two and twenty when he gets a triple double. He's done something that nobody has ever picked up a basketball has done including Wilt Chamberlain. There's there's no way to just say this is not nobody in the NBA shot free. Throws as poorly as Chris Dudley. Nobody ever did so much. This is a positive. Nobody haddish Joel could not do it. Oh god. Could that do LeBron because anything kid cut down do it? Lebron could score fifty night. I wanna see it. Then I'm tired of here. And I love the Brian is, you know, I'm tired of hearing. He could he could he could do it. You don't this dues doing it? You don't think LeBron could do a triple double. Hey, if LeBron aired about stats, I deal with facts hypotheticals. He hasn't done it. I deal with winners. You don't think LeBron cares about stats? I don't. I don't think. I don't think Magic Johnson cared about Stanley. Look I talk into magic pie. Don't really on his. The worst career bronze fifteen years in. There's a big stat. That said he's an all time guy. And he goes, hey, man. I love the game. But I never feel. The bronze like, hey, what's my fit bit say, I gotta you gotta get an assessed. I've seen pictures of LeBron on vacation with a t shirt say check my stats seriously. There's there is on the internet. I saw check bus stats. This is terrible. That's what's gonna be LeBron's claim to fame for win. Argue we go is going to be look at his stats. One. More heard heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. Here we go our two this is the heard wherever you may be an hour. You may be listening live in Los Angeles. Iheartradio fought sports radio one. I'm told Antonio Daniels. Oklahoma City broadcaster will join me in fifteen minutes. He wants to support Westbrook in that gimmicky stat that he's chasing fake rebounds. Drives me nuts. There's seventeen six this season. When he has a by the way about this this franchise for eight years, it's been great. They've had the rant about harden. They've had Westbrook. They have Adams. They have Russell Westbrook. They have a good coat. Good GM. This organization wins all the time. Now, everybody goes, well when Westbrook super volume in it, we they win sixty percent of their games because the they're the team now Westbrook's not shooting anymore because he can't shoot. And he's facilitating more and my point is now he's actually a good. Well, now, he's actually the kind of point guard that at Vance's in the play offs. Not this exhausting score a million point quarterback. Point guard. He's actually can't shoot anymore. So that flawn is game is forcing him to be a better passer in a better teammate. And now, it's really interesting down. They have a chance to win multiple playoff series. Let me start the air with us. That was joy Taylor. So this is fascinating. Brian Hoyer is the backup quarterback for the New England Patriots. He came out in the last couple of days. He was interviewed. And he says he became during preparation for the Super Bowl Jared Goff and that he watched ESPN plus on Jared Goff. He watched the NFL network interview with Goffin McVeigh, he watched the Amazon series all or nothing on the Rams. And he was able to find language and tells like poker that helped the patriots completely shut down the Rams due to media exposure, the Rams were tracked by the patriots. And literally completely shut them down. By the way. The irony here is years ago. The New England Patriots got in trouble for taping a team and in twenty nineteen the Rams gave them the tape. Do you ever see the patriots and hard knocks? Nope. Ever see him on that Amazon prime series, all or nothing. Nope. You ever see the patriots on ESPN? Plus, no. Nope. You never see the patriots on any of that Rex Ryan the the media. Love Rex Ryan can't get a job the media love, Jerry, Glanville, never stopped talking. Couldn't get a job media. Jon Gruden never stops talking Cleveland Browns. John Dorsey in the news every fifteen minutes. Pittsburgh Steelers never stopped talking with the New England Patriots. Even with gronk a major personality. Pulls it in doesn't talk. Even gronk who walked into this league as star personality. They shut him down, by the way. Former patriot Matt Patricia attempting to get hard knocks off the lions into the raiders there is zero benefit in the NFL to transparency. None. Stay off hard knocks stay off Amazon prime stay off ESPN. Plus don't talk there is like no advantage to it. The Rams were completely stifled and Brian Hoyer who played Jared Goff in the two weeks of practice. Now. Admit I went to all these different formats and platforms. The Rams were talking. I watch their practice. I heard some audibles. I heard the language, and I knew what they were going to do Hoyer joked. I guess that's the downside to putting yourself out there like that. Wow. Wow. By the way, there's a breaking story in the NFL. The joy Taylor. I don't know if it rises to breaking story. But it's it's a story that is emerging in the NFL with a superstar in joy Taylor. Have that about fifteen minutes? I want I want to segue to this. You know, I like LeBron James because he cares about winning. You know, I like to Golden State Warriors. Because even though I think Kevin Durant in the Kevin Durant. Sometimes too much. They do it the right way. So James harden and the NBA media the fan boys, the pom pom waivers are just going. Crazy. James harden, scored over thirty points again last night, and it's just everybody's going crazy. Oh my God. James harden? It should be noted in a blowout game. He scored last night to score thirty one points to keep the streak alive. He should not have been in the game. But the Houston Rockets to keep his streak alive kept him in a blowout game. So he would get over thirty points. This is the difference between LeBron and James harden and the warriors and the rest of the league James harden, the two entities that drive the ratings in this league are LeBron James and the Golden State Warriors. James harden is staying in blow out to set personal records Westbrook. Let me go stat to get my triple double, of course, enabled by their coaches last week. Houston was down by nineteen Denver. Fourth quarter, minute and a half to go. Why was he in the game? There's no reason superstar in a game minute and a half to go blow out all they took him out of the game. Forty seconds later after he hit a meaningless three to continue his streak. Yup. What matters Ron James titles matter. Golden State Warriors titles matter harden, Westbrook, stats matter. Houston now is keeping him in games. Meaningless shots in blowout wins and losses to set numbers. That's what matters, and you do know January February hall of famers. Don't win titles struggle to win playoff series. We've seen hardened Westbrook. Both gassed at the end of seasons should be noted Klay. Thompson of the Golden State Warriors set a three ball record at fourteen threes against Chicago. They pulled him out of the game with four minutes to go in the third quarter. Third quarter. He could hit six more. They didn't even let him play in the fourth. They took him out with four minutes to go in the third quarter. Never went back ULA said this used to work in local news joy, do you work in local news, not news but little lorries in local news. I worked in local news for fourteen years. There were two types of people the people that have confidence we're really good and cared about breaking stories and news. And then there were the type of people that were less talented, but they wind up have an EMMY real and win awards feel good about themselves. And so so the boss thinks I'm really good. But in local news, we all know who can plan who can't you don't have to worry about winning Emmys on the red light goes on. There's people in every newsroom that our players. They can just talk their way through a battleship. And then there's people that fill up their EMMY real because they wanna win awards and put it on their resume and impressed the bosses and never talented is the other people who don't give a crap about that. And I've worked with a lot of both. And let me tell you in the NBA. There's guys Goosen their stats that care about the MVP. James harden wants to win the MVP congrats. But the Golden State Warriors worried about stats one time. Do you remember that? There was one time the warriors were into records. Remember that year when they kept playing their starters extra minutes and they wanted to set the NBA record for regular season wins. And they did and do you? Remember what happened at the end of that year? They were gassed and they admitted it they had multiple players hurt. They were gassed so go ahead. Chase records win the MVP wind plaques, but. January and February is not where you NBA championships. In fact, I would argue I wouldn't even argue this. I think he could you could find testily what's lebrons worst month. It's january. It's january. Lebron's really not a very good January player. He starts the season. He gets in shape. The trading deadline comes in and is kind of waits to get the right roster. Much better after the break because LeBron is about winning gaining momentum late getting chemistry and defense. Locked in late winning playoff series of which LeBron's never lost a first round playoff series. Westbrook. Can't get out of the first round. James harden struggles sometimes out of the first round. I know I seem like a hater today. I'm really not. I swear to God it is like hater today. Little bit just tiny. I of three percent hater in me today. I I'm just I'm not into all this. And now, you told me, and I I'm beside myself on this Jason Tatum wants to leave the Celtics. It's just report he did not come out and ask for trade. It's just a report then he wouldn't mind playing for the pelicans. It there. That's a terrible franchise. Maybe you can turn it around. And you imagine in our business you and me leaving FOX and saying I want to go to this cable company that has a history of complete incompetence. So we can be the team. No, I'd rather work with undisputed and speak for yourself and first things for I wanna work with talented people. What is this thing? I have to be the star. What is that? Don't you want to be a winning team doesn't that speak a little more to what's happening in Boston right now. God, I this was the gold standard for rebuilding. Now. I got kyri hurt. Tatum's is it. What did they rebuild? They didn't. I mean, Phoenix. And you just said it's about championship. This this rebuilding stuff is fascinating. It's just useless. Now, if doesn't work for Boston, it doesn't work. I'm not saying what's happening in Boston is a failure. I'm just knowing what's standard for a rebuild as a championship. They haven't reached that yet. 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I cannot say the same. By the way, Vic sign X nasal spray. Try it cold and flu season, twelve hours. It's cold in Los Angeles. Everybody's sick. Joy Taylor me Colin coward. I gotta go to joys. Got a great story and heard line news joy header best heard line news hour ago as a ton of pressure on joy Taylor. I feel strongly about our it was magnificent. You could not do better. And from that point forward. We're just judging all based on the first hour that will come up. I want to go on the phone right now to a great young broadcaster plate in the NBA for thirteen years. Disagrees with me a lot. I don't think on everything Antonio Daniels. He's the Oklahoma City thunder analyst on Fox Sports, Oklahoma. I recovered him in Portland, and he's a very good analyst. And he's joining me on the phone. All right. Let me start before. I get into the triple double stuff that wears me out. Let me just start with this. It does discourage me I think Paul George is the MVP of the league. I think he's changed the culture there. He's playing so good. Antonio that Westbrook. I think understands he should be taking the shots late. He plays on both ends of the floor. He's averaging close to forty game in February. So let me just start there before I start bashing. I think Paul George is now so good that Westbrook understands. Hey, I'm the second best player right now on this team is do you believe that? To me. It's not about Russell understanding that he's the second best player on the team is about Russell understanding and sacrificing what's best for this team and was best with this team. Is Paul George doing exactly what he's doing? Now. Like, the thing about players is as you mature, you grow the longer that you plan this league you grow in Russell has learned. He's learned he see what Paul George is doing. But Russell was still getting an opportunity to be himself. But also understanding what for this team to be as good as we can possibly be. I need Paul George to be Paul George. I need Paul George to give us twenty nine eight four and two and a half steals game. And I agree with you right now. Paul George is definitely the MVP the league you can make an argument for James harden. You can make an argument Janas unpredictable. I watch Paul George go head to head with both of those guys and outplayed them both on the national stage. He is a two way player in right now. Because. Because of his bail ability. He's the best two way player in the league. I completely agree with that Colli Leonard. I would say it's better if they go night tonight, but Kalis not as valuable, and frankly, I like Paul George personality. It's a little more even keel for me. Now, let me shift to the bad guy calling which is after the game last night. Paul George admitted that Westbrook came up to him and said, hey, you can get a triple double. If you get one more of these and Paul George didn't even know it wasn't paying attention to it that Westbrook at his as his shooting has dramatically declined. Even at the free throw line that he is becoming to end that talking point for the media. He is now too concerned about triple doubles. I don't Paul George has no idea got one Westbrook comes up and reminds him isn't at least at least fair to acknowledge that Westbrook's small guy that can't shoot. And he seems more concerned with triple doubles than he's ever been concerned with them. No for me. Russ is a guy that's more concerned with winning than anything else. Here's the thing. Here's the thing Colin when I came on with this summer. Your your narrative was Russ's a bad teammate and these aren't to play with. But now Paul George is having a career year. Jeremy grits haven't Peru year. Terence Fergus is having a career and Steven Adams has having a career you and then the shooter has blit in a single sleep. So now that argument as loss stain. So now, we have to shift or something else. And here's the thing. If you told me when I played in the league, if there was something that I did for any particular team that play for that allowed my team to win seventy eight percent of the time. I would do it since two thousand sixteen seventeen Russ has tripled doubled ninety times the Oklahoma City thunder are seventy and twenty and those ninety triple doubles. You can't argue that regardless if he knows it or he doesn't know what it translates to win. And that's the most important thing. What about James harden? Staying in blow out to get thirty. They don't pull them out of games until he hits a meaningless three to get thirty doesn't it bother you. Golden State one time has gone for a record. And they got it seventy three wins. They were gassed a month later injuries. Gassed Hardin now is staying in playing in blowouts to set records. It seems to me. He's too consumed with the MVP is that a fair criticism is he to consume with MVP or to consume with keeping his team afloat. So they can win because here's the bay. Like we'll players now in a situation where they can't win. No matter what. Because James harden was averaging twenty points the game and not going on this this scoring streak that he's going on thirty consecutive thirty points. You know, we were saying if they're fifty place James is not doing what he's supposed to do. He's doing what he needs to do right now to keep Houston relevant and in the playoff race the same way. Russell Westbrook is doing what he needs to do. To have Oklahoma City a game out of second place, and allowing Paul George to be Paul George. See this is what we don't talk about. Russell westbrook. We don't talk about the things that don't show up on the stat sheet. The fact that when Paul George is going than he's the first one over there, high five and Paul George Russell Westbrook. This year in the second half has taken reshot s- at one point two shots at one point. And it's not just for Paul George because now he understands for this team to get where they need to go you need Schreuder. You need me grant, you need Paul George in this year more than any of the year. I have watched Russell Westbrook lead and sacrifice his game who was best for this team. And that's wins. I hope he stake. I hope he continues to do once the playoffs hit the playoffs can change players. We know that some players rise through some shrink some rise some get less selfish, some more selfish finely Magic Johnson tampering. Now, I have a rule in life. And it's one of those things certain. People have personalities Manny Ramirez in baseball manny's being Manny, John Daly, engulf smokes. And of course, Jon just being John. Could I not defend Magic Johnson and say Magic Johnson's not tampering. He's a big personality. He loves the game. He's a business, man. This is just this is just magic being magic. It's like Charles Barkley saying. Something gets everybody worked up. That's just Charles being Charles Simon. Cal can be mean. That's just Simon Calvin Simon. Cal are we overreacting to Magic Johnson comments about other players bell. You're not reacting because of the title that Magic Johnson home. If Magic Johnson didn't hold the title that he hold the Los Angeles Lakers. I get your b I get your point. But the moment that you sign on with the Los Angeles Lakers. And now you had that tag attached to you. Now, you're held to a different standard for guardless as to how big your personality is. And everybody knows Magic Johnson has a big personality. And he's a. Fantastic guy, big smile. Excellent communicator. But when you add that tag to your to your title with the Los Angeles Lakers. Now, you have to sacrifice something else. You can't continue to be that same guy. The only way you can say all right? You know, what I want to continue to communicate with player I want to continue to our players out. Now, you have a decision to me because you can't do that a log with keeping that title. So you either drop the title and adhere to the rules or ignored the rules and move. Antonio daniels. I like when you even yell at me, even when you scream on. I'm never I'm never going that you just can't see how how you know. You don't you don't grasp the the Russell Westbrook dynamic not saying these flawless by no stress of the imagination. But the amount that you badger him is is is uncalled for and, you know, at college, you know, what maybe you could use some of your leverage, we can have dinner together with Russell. And we could clear this thing up. He I would be willing to do on. I'm gonna go out of limb here and say rustler probably reject that. But that's just me talking to you. All right. Good talking to you. But. Antonio daniels. I'm always willing to it. Everybody's welcome on the couch. Everybody you you do not shy away from people coming on the calendar. To know. Here's what I do. I have strong opinions. And then I always let people come on and bash me for my opinions. I'm not what his point out that they disagree. Yeah. Like Antonio Daniels is my takeaway is we got we got a point guard shooting sixty four percent from the free throw line who's telling Paul George. I can get you triple double. I can get you triple double who gives a rip win games hockey. Great. But they are winning games. They aren't that. Listen. This is a good organization. They've been they've been good for eight years. All this. That's that. He is contributing or not helping them win the games marginal turning us. All right. Joy Taylor with hopefully powerful heard lonn news. No on the news. This is the headline news and Tonio ground with like to see the Antonio Brown era in Pittsburgh, come to an end posted on social media a video with the caption. Thank you Steeler nation for a big nine years time to move on. And forward peacein emoji. Hashtag new demands begging to be traded. He hasn't been yet. But he's begging for pretty much. He this is a video. This is a screen shot that we're showing on TV. But it's actually a video of a bunch of highlights set to the song. Do what I want by losy Vert and lyrics are to do what I want basically and everybody knows on better. We can't play the song for swearing purposes. No pay for it. But basically, if you go look at the video, there's a lot of subliminal the video about saying he's going to do what he wants literally. And then Schefter tweeted Antonio Brown has not been traded nor has been released which we know. But Brown wants a trade any as a fishery requested. From the Steelers her source or the video just well, it's not affecting the team right now because they're not playing. So the Steelers don't earn. No. They could train them tomorrow or they could train them later, but they're not playing games. So in this moment for the next six months. They have the Steelers have leverage here. Do he has a twenty million dollars cap it next year? It's it's they do. But this is obviously a development up until now the conversation was maybe they can get in a room, and sort it out. It's pretty clear from this video. He has no intentions on saying this is going to make it as difficult as possible. Pint gonna ask who's his agents. I don't think this is great for Tonio Brown. Forget the Steelers. I don't think it's great for him. I mean, he's now there's a difference between dysfunctional and destructive. Like if your name a good team in the league. That's going. Oh god. I want this. I don't I don't think this is great for him. I don't know who is agent is. I don't think this is great friend Tony O'Brien, very expensive. And Antonio Brown's leaving a situation where he pretty much has the freedom to do and say an act. However, it is that he wants and he's playing with the hall of fame quarterback and a solid organization with a lot of talent who aside from the meltdown that they had this year are in the conversation for being contenders every single year. So where is it that you're going to go where you're gonna get all those things? I I don't really know. I don't know that there's any competitive team. That's actually in the conversation of making it to the Super Bowl that supports this. Kind of behavior. He is the best deep threat in the league. And he got the best deep threat thrower in the league. Like if you don't have Tony Brown doesn't get you play at dependent position. Well, put and it's actually a great fit. It's a good offensive line. Meaning the quarterback has time to throw you generally have a great deep ball throw. This is an organization that drafts. Well, so they always tend to have two good receiver. So people can't w on every play. There's not a place in the league better for this kid than Pittsburgh. And he doesn't get it. I mean this. I think he's become this this isn't even dysfunctional. This is destructive. I don't I don't know what the story isn't Pittsburgh. It feels like there's some underlying vein in all of these issues. And I don't understand what it is. It's not the Steelers brand. This is not the Steelers Pete Carroll was very pro player and eventually he got him out of the room and the team went back to a playoff team. Pittsburgh Tomlin's been very pro player you give players a little bit. And there's going to be certain players inched becomes a mile. I think he got a move Antonio Brown out of the locker room and get this to be tighter. Culture. I think they've become the Siaka couple years ago too, much noise too loud to this point Antonio Brown's clearly not happy there. Anyway. So the really is no there's no conversation that can mend this relationship on either side. So we've been talking about Magic Johnson and tampering. All morning Sunday. Magic said that he wanted to meet up with Ben Simmons some tips on how you can become better Jedi said someone else contacted him then yesterday Sixers GM brand set on the radio that he blocked that meeting from happening. Then the NBA said they would investigate any inappropriate contact the Lakers and Simmons and the whole thing going public and making the Lakers, look bad brand apparently called magic to apologize. According to ESPN Ramona Shelburne out in brand called Magic Johnson Monday to apologize for insinuating. The Lakers had called unprompted to ask permission for Johnson to speak with the Sixers forward. Ben Simmons in a radio interview, Monday morning. So basically what it comes down to is. This whole story may end up being nothing because fence. Simmons actually initiated it. Ben some of the Sixers initiated that John said, it was like, oh, you just reach out to me. We had a conversation. That's not exactly how it happened. The reason linka made that statement and reached in return back to the Sixers because they initiated it. I it's a whole mess. But basically what it comes down to is magic as we discussed. There's just a certain way that you have to talk about these things as in don't talk about it publicly. But it's enemy typical for Magic's magic is in a position. He's never been in before in his life. He's always been the big brother mentor of the NBA. He's since the eighties, and he was having pickup games and and doing practices that UCLA run that still going run by Rico Hines, he worked with Westbrook, and harden and Coby and shack he's used to being this lovable mentor. That's trying to make guys better and smiling and happy, and positively. And now he's in a position where you can't do that. Hey, Ben Simmons got a hold of him. I defend magic on this people want to be around John late. His nickname is magic like walks in the room, and everyone feels like they know him. There's a reason people stand up the arena when he walks by. He's Magic Johnson you Showtime. That's what it is. It's just he's in. It's in a position and title now that's restrictive and that's not as personality in his brand. So it's going gonna have to just he's been doing it since the eighties. So the new thing finally Marcus all looked more comfortable during his home debut with the raptors who pulled out a win over the nets. I didn't see this game. It was last night. I didn't see this one and eight minutes stretch in the fourth quarter. You wanna perfect five or five from the floor seven points and defensive stops. They won twenty seven one twenty five and he spoke after the game. I definitely come more comfortable in in. And obviously, you know, there's a few things I can do on the floor on both ends. I'm gonna tell fish player by nature when SEA pass somebody opened regardless who it is. You know, I'm gonna throw it to him. And and and encourage guys keep moving and moving without the ball. Because if they get behind, you know, their defender or defensive mistake, you know, we're gonna make them pay for it. They did definitely get better with Yano. I mean player he's not he's not bad from the three point which opens up the lane for Lowery. And and and this is going to make them, very formal. I don't buy into them. But it's they're going to get a number one or number two seed with him then so they're gonna play to homecourt playoff series. And they're going to be good. And now they have quite Leonard who's better than tomorrow Rosen. So there there's no question I've never bought into him. But Marcus all coli Leonard. Start looking at it now. And it's like all right. They're gonna win playoff series or two. I I'm not I feel better about the Sixers than I than I did before with. The addition Tobias Harris, but I still feel like this. Raptors team is a different team. The eastern playoffs are going to be more interesting potentially than the west. Oh, absolutely. I think there's just more even I don't think any of them are spectacularly I mean. There's four teams in the east or if it Milwaukee came out and Yana scored forty two again, you'd be like, yeah, they were just the best team. I think I still contend Boston and Philly the best between the raptors Boston Philly in the bucks. But I do feel good about their after. So that was very good. The first hour. Let's not go crazy. That was so it was like first of all the first hour was so good. You're like the Ted Williams four hundred year. You bet it like three eight there. So you still one beyond straw, high time bringing. I'd mail it in because even don't even try. I do that. Sometimes last hour. Who cares? I just joking joy with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by her. There's a lot of smoke with this that the Zona cardinals. As a lot of connect the dots. Are now interested in Cuyler Murray as the number one pick joy talked about Josh Rosen to the patriots. Holy crow. I don't even know what to make this Albert breer money morning quarterback. That guy's full of information. He's going to be joining us next. Be sure to catch live additions. The heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Don't let your age you feel stronger have more energy to by Dr dot com today. Refiner prime by Dr dot com. He is their lead content guy from Monday morning quarterback incredibly well connected. And I bring him in via the coward global satellite network. Albert Greer's senior NFL reported let's start with this. Antonio. Brown there's dysfunctional. And then there's destructive tweeting like crazy today that he wants out. What do you make of his most recent tweet is there a market for him? What I can tell you column is that he has requested a trade whether or not the Steelers are able to get proper value for him. We'll see the one this dealer. Do have going for them. They're going for them here. He's on a very very workable contract there three years and thirty nine million dollars left at thirteen million per that's a bargain, and so they should be able to put in Tonio Brown out there, and they should be able to get suitable offers forum. I'm right now, I think in Tonio Brown sees some player start to move. Eric Reed gets paid yesterday. Kareem hunt get signed by the Cleveland Browns, maybe getting a little bit ANSI here. And so I think the Steelers now take a look at what they might be able to get in return for any Tony Brown. Of course, there is a time table here in that by March March seventeenth do a roster bonus of two and a half million dollars in. So they'd like to train them before. Then obviously the window to start to work something out would be right now before the NFL scouting combine. And so I think you'll be hearing about this over the next few weeks whether or not. Steals actually, go through with moving. We'll we'll see. But it certainly seems like Brown is trying to put the pressure on the that. I've heard forty Niners, although Kyle Shanahan doesn't have a lot of time with nonsense. I the jets are interesting. They need receivers. But Adam gays again, not a guy any nonsense. Is there a landing saucer guy? Yeah, he's a culture guy. Those two guys remind me of each other Adam gates and Shanahan but people are saying jets in Niners. What are you hearing? Well, I think that I understand certainly be in play that they're looking to build an office. The way the Kyle had all those years ago on Houston like the one he hadn't Atlanta couple years ago. And that that that that offense demands that you have some sort of explosive weapon can take the top off of a defense. Lawyer Jones was a dominant force in Atlanta for Kyle Shanahan. Obviously Andre Johnson. Was that guy for him in Houston in Tonio Brown would fit the Bill ended a year in the free agent classes in very good at receiver or the draft class is great. Receiver. It might make some sense for them to do that the other team than I would just keep an eye on here is the Washington Redskins there obviously in need of a receiver. The judge fact Josh Jackson in the first round couple years ago that didn't work out. They lost Sean Jackson a couple off seasons ago. They need help at the receiver position. They've built up their offense of line. They built up their defensive line. They got a coach Jay Gruden who may be coaching for his job in two thousand and nineteen. So that'd be one team. I would just keep an eye on that could be willing to take on the wrist Anton, Franks five foot, eight and a half. I believe he's that may be slightly taller Cuyler Murray. I do think he's an NFL quarterback. I don't think I'd build around him. He hadn't played enough college. He small I thought he didn't interview with Dan, Patrick, which was disturbing where kept turning to his dad to answer all the questions. I didn't like that. At all one non Chan what do you make of him as a prospect while he was six four two hundred and twenty five. The feedback. I'm getting his he'd be the first overall tank, but he's not that he's not close to that. And this is really stretching the outer limits of half. Are you're willing to go. Look at bigger Mayfield. He was short not ashore Kyle. But he wasn't small. Russell Wilson was short. He wasn't small. This guy is short and small. And if you follow me here, there is an issue with as far as his ability to hold up Yang just as vision of the field that sort of thing if you if you wanna make Kyle Murray work, you're going to have to play off into certain way, you have to move the pocket you're gonna have to get him on the run a little bit. If you do that you're going to get him hit. If you get him hit is he going to be able to hold up. That's a very serious question, especially since last year at Oklahoma. He was playing behind the best offense of line in college football and against defenses that weren't very good. He didn't get hit a lot last year. So not only is there that open question out there is he gonna be able to stand up to the punishment that he's gonna take in the NFL with this frame. There's almost almost. Also almost no evidence of him taking hits in college. Yeah. And so that questions a very very real one in one that I think that every NFL team is considering him needs to pay attention to by the way, his agent Eric Burkhardt that is cliff Kim's berries agent, the coach of Arizona. I'm seeing various reports on that. I will say this the air Zona cardinals have a battle line. It's a little old and unathletic and Rosen's they cannot take a beating, and you can't turn that thing around in a year. I could make the argument that a way to solve that dilemma is get a mobile quarterback and ship Rosen off one report said a New England because Bella check liked him to be a backup for a couple of years that whole patriot Rosen Murray, what do you make of it? Let me just put it. Let's just start with what you said about the current state of affairs. If you're drafting quarterback, I overall calling. I don't think he get too much too wrapped up in what's going. On this year. What's going on next year? I mean, these are franchise shifting decisions is a ten to fifteen year decision that you're making when you draft a quarterback that high. So I just don't think you can be that wrapped up where you are as currently constituted. When you make a decision like that. That said I do know there are some people on the cardinals building lark completely sold on Josh Rosen, and what he did twenty eighteen didn't do a whole lot to move them off those positions. And so I don't think that there's a hundred percent agreement was in the cardinals organization. This is a guy for the next ten or fifteen years form. Additionally, additionally, cliff Kingsbury has always been a guy who's been able to work with different Florida Amax for all of his flaws at Texas Tech look at the different guys. He's worked with he worked with Johnny Manziel at Texas, a Enam he goes at Texas Tech Davis Webb who's a bigger quarterback can't move real. Well, he had Baker Mayfield, Pat Mahomes. He's been able to work with different types of quarterbacks. He's been affected with different types of order Bax. So. So when people say, well is this guy or that guy a cliff Kingsbury type of quarterback, I think cliff kingsbridge actually pretty adjustable in what he wants. And so I think a lot of this oils down to what cliff Kingsbury individually what his assessment of Josh Rosen is Josh Rosen. You know, what you do you sit there with the number one overall pick? You see if you Kyle Murray, Dwayne Haskins, your your lock and see if those guys rise the point where there's gonna be real value for the number one overall pick. And if they don't then you wind up taking a Nick boasts, or when Williams either way you're in a really good position because you have multiple options at the quarterback position. And if you like the quarterback who's sitting there for you right now that you turn around and use the number one tickets a commodity, by the way, couple minutes left, Brian Hoyer. The story is out now basically as the backup to Tom Brady played Jared Goff for two weeks in the Super Bowl and by watching ESPN, plus Amazon prime all or nothing hard knocks was able to get the language down. And that the Rams put themselves out there and that became. I'm a huge factor in their defensive game plan. It's kind of remarkable. What did you make of it minute and a half left? Yeah. I I basically like I talked to Denham accordion Jason mccourty about this. And they were over the moon talking about what a big big impacts Brian Hoyer had on their ability to win the Super Bowl. And so they took me through it. I talked to Hoyer about it on Sunday. Yeah. He he had background in this offense. He played for Kyle Shanahan Cleveland pay played for Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco said he wanted to see, hey, how close is this offense to what I was doing. He went knee watch the Peyton Manning series detail on ESPN. Plus that looks a lot like the offense. I was running. And so then he goes back and he looks at Rams tape. Yup. That's the same stuff. I was doing you went and looked at NFL network interview. They were talking about the coach to quarterback communication thing that we've all talked about between McCain Goff. Another check in another checkmark there. That's what Shanahan did with Brian Hoyer both last year and four years ago. And then the final piece of it. Of course, you go. The Amazon series that was on Jeff Fisher's rans. But at the very end there was flourish of OTA's with Sean McVeigh, and you recognize the language, and so he was able to ascertain there's a lot of similarity between what they're doing in Los Angeles in what I did San Francisco in Cleveland, and he gave them a little tip. He said that the defensive players. Hey, look, if we send in all out if we send out pressure at the quarterback, they don't have answers for that. The answer is the quarterback is going to take a shot. They're relying on the quarterback to make a play. So read the quarterbacks is back off a little bit. And if you look at the play Stefan Gilmore made the interception on he is the furthest player. Back of all defenders everybody up else up towards the line. They snap. The ball. Gilmore's is aren't on Brandin cooks. His eyes are on Jared Goff. He's watching Jared Goff the whole time. And he fielded that ball like it was a punt. I thought it was a really interesting way of explaining how the patriots get the most out of every roster spots and remember Ryan Hoyer landing there, Colin was a result of the Jimmy. In a certain way. The patriots got a little more out of that Garoppolo trade than than Benz right there on the circus for great stuff. Gotta run Albert Breyer money morning quarterback. Thanks for telling the story. And thank you, bud. 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But the NFL wants to be a system a coach GM and a quarterback leak. It doesn't want to be a diva wide receiver league and Dell Beckham junior's on the market. No takers Antonio Brown in the market doesn't appear to be a lot of takers. He's having to make no man's now. Because his agents on anything, and you know, Dez Bryant I mean, he was free. No, takers. Like the NBA is the diva league NBA's the star driven leak NBA's about the player. That's a good business NFL's like we like some of that stuff. But we're about the. The GM the quarterback the shield the system the rules, and you're seeing it here with what's going on. Now coming up in fifteen minutes. TJ cushman's oughta is gonna talk about that. Because he played with Joe Cinco. Chad Johnson before that who's had all sorts of stuff later and best for last lions. Don't want to be on hard knocks tell you the five teams. I would absolutely love to see on hard knocks. Because I still think it's a great show. Well, I want to start with this Paul George had another amazing MVP performance last night. Oklahoma said he beat the blazers last night. But today everybody is excited about the triple double. Russell Westbrook's getting all the headlines this morning every article I read Russell Westbrook makes history tenth consecutive triple. Double of God. It's history every newspaper every blog. Oh my God. Can you believe it Westbrook is making history? The triple double in the NBA has become hitting for the cycle in baseball. You do realize that Babe Ruth never hit for the cycle. Twenty two years. Babe Ruth, probably the greatest baseball. Never the cycle Aaron hill. Journeyman? Infielder hit for the cycle twice in three weeks. Triple double is hitting for the cycle cool headlines while I'd rather a baseball player. Go four for four with four Jack out of the stadium because in baseball, the only thing that really matters run scored who lead the league in runs scored crossed the plate that win games. The best player for Oklahoma City last night was Paul George again. I don't know if you've noticed he's arguably after James harden, the MVP he's averaging forty points a game in February his plus minus last night was plus fourteen. He scored forty seven last night. He's the reason they won not a headline. Russell Westbrook's plus minus was plus one by the way, he's fourth fourth on his own team in plus minus. He was one for six last night in threes. He was five for nineteen from the floor. And that's the headline. Congratulations NBA media for now. Getting it for for falling for gimmicky stat. And I don't care about fake rebound. Allen Iverson one career triple double. 'cause Allen Iverson actually played defense and gave effort on both ends of the floor. And Alan Iverson was hanging around the rim getting fake rebounds. Did you hear this an amazing piece of audio after the game Paul George listen to how? Totally obsessed with this triple double stat, by the way, Westbrook can no longer shoot sixty five percent from the line twenty four percent from threes. And he knows it. So he loves this stat because it overshadows the bigger problem. He's a guard who can't shoot you can't be short and not be able to shoot in the NBA, you can be tall and not be able to shoot. But if you're short you've got to be able to shoot. All right. Sorry. You you gotta be able to shoot. Listen to Paul George after the by the way, he was a plus fourteen after the game we talked about it at a. Right before that play. We talked about it. I was clueless at that moment. But you know, he told me to situation. So it was cool to be on the triple double. Your Paul George was actually worried about you know, winning Westbrook came up to him. Hey, man. One more. These have a triple double. I just Westbrook have one of those fitbit's. Where tells him you're almost got a triple double even as a cyst sometimes fluff. He doesn't move the ball. You know, if a guy's wide open, and he gets doubled he'll pass to him. But I feel like sometimes sometimes even as cysts have a fluff to tool, but I mean, the NFL the NFL media doesn't fall for passing yards. Matt Stafford has a million passing yards. Kirk cousins has a million passing yards. Do they have one signature play in the history their careers? The NFL media's figured it out that passing yards have a direct correlation to a bad team trailing in a game. You wanna know who led the NFL last year in passing yards? The team the Tampa Bay Buccaneers led the NFL and passing yards. But the NFL media doesn't freak out over it. Because it doesn't what does it mean. Twelve quarterbacks through over four thousand yards last year. Half didn't even make the playoffs. The triple double. It grabbed all the headlines last night. Paul George to me is the most valuable player right now in the league. Not James harden, James Harden's, the best score. But he doesn't play defense like Paul, George Paul George loose is feeling great. He's the MVP of the league he had forty seven. He had a plus fourteen plus minus and the headline is that stupid. Triple double garbage. I mean, I'm sorry. But if you win the game eight two seven in baseball, I don't give a rip about an individual stat for guy that hit a triple in the third inning with nobody on was stranded there. I mean, the NBA media. It's embarrassing now. That's the headline. Not that Paul George is the best two way player in the NBA this morning, and unlike Leonard he's out there every night, Paul George best two way player in the NBA nulla Brown right now last sixty days Paul George best player in the league. If defense matters call me nutty, I think it does. All right. I'm going to introduce something new today. Let me shift gears. The NBA's investigating Magic Johnson. And the Lakers if they have potentially violated tampering rules. By you know, talking about Magic Johnson talking about Ben Simmons. It should be noted. Magic Johnson was a great player. He now leads the NBA tampering. He's become very good at it. Magic Johnson rolls out of bed and he's just tampering with the light. Switch with his bagel hedging Johnson tampers twenty four seven. But here's here's what happened and this happens in life, and I'm going to introduce you to something it's called the. That's just rule. Think about that watching driving that just rule Simon Cal gets to use that Simon Cowe can be. So mean, that's just Simon. Cal Charles Barkley says things. No other broadcaster broadcasting for the NBA could get away with. Well. That's Jess Charles Barkley. Magic johnson. Talks about players jokes about stuff. That's just Magic Johnson. That tampering. Two years. He's fun the jokes member when he went on television. Fox remember, this can you imagine Danny aines of the Celtics doing this. What in the what thank Lena? Feel a championship team with the Lakers. And hopefully next summer. We'll be in line signed free agent. Just Magic Johnson. John Daly, this engulfed is that guy smoking you got to kick that guy. Of course. That's just John Daly, many, Manny Ramirez, member Manny Ramirez. One of the great all-time players for the Red Sox. Manny Ramirez once cut off a throw. He was a left fielder. He wants cut off a throw from center fielder. Johnny Damon made a play at the wall balls loose Johnny Damon throwing it back to the infield. The cut off man. Manny Ramirez cuts off the cutoff, man. Just Manny Ramirez, even a term for it. It's just Manny, Manny, you watch Gordon Ramsay on those cooking shows, you're like what a jerk. Oh, not really. It's just Gordon Ramsay being Gordon Ramsay. It's called all introduce it to you in life, and it matters. And we use it all the time. The that's just rule. Magic Johnson's not tampering. That's just Magic Johnson. Tell he talks. He's always talked. He's funny. People like him. I've been in rooms with Magic Johnson. He's always smiling even this past week when he was angry at the pelicans. He was smiling as he said there's a lot of stuff out there. We didn't course, give it any of the stuff. I went to a Laker game a year ago, and I look over to the right? And the crowd rises. And I thought that was a fight you ever you ever gone to a stadium and everybody's getting up and you're like, oh, there's a fight and I looked over in the crowd. And I couldn't see a fight. And it looked on the floor, and I didn't see fight. And the crowd section by section by section by section by section was standing. And Finally, I saw it. Magic Johnson who's been in that building ten thousand times. Had simply emerged from the tunnel. And people stood section by section to get a glimpse. Of a guy they'd seen play. Stand talk in Los Angeles for thirty years. He's not tampering. He's a superstar. That's just magic. Well, the way the NBA does agree joy Taylor can have more of that. Coming up in about ten minutes rendering, a verdict on what to do with Ben Simmons. And the Sixers who are furious at magic and the Lakers that's coming down right now. Plus TJ Hirschman zodda around the corner. Played in Antonio Brown's division. Antonio Brown tweeting today, I'm outta here in Pittsburgh, folks. He is a passing league. He's the most gifted deep threat receiver in the NFL. It's incredible. Somebody's gotta get him. Right. He's a superstar. They're not five guys in the NFL more talented than Tonio Brown. Sees gotta be worth something. Somebody's gonna roll the dice him. That's coming up. Maybe the Rams. After that Super Bowl. Maybe they need more offense. 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Even if you're not a discover customer learn more discover dot com slash put at scorecard. Limitations apply. TJ monds oughta over a decade in the NFL pro bowler tied for the NFL reception lead and twenty-seven. I remember that two thousand seven hundred twelve catches should've had one hundred thirteen last one. I know I was really disappointed in you. Okay. So let's start with Antonio Brown. I think he's made a mistake on these crazy. I think he's in a perfect spot. Respond. I wouldn't say he's crazy. But I can't equate this to a marriage. You gotta make it work your wife being Steelers. She knows your flaws. She knows what you do. Well, she knows what she doesn't like about you, and you go somewhere else, and I speak for experience. When I when I left the Bengals and went to Seattle. It's it's a Cording stage all over again, you gotta get the know each other. And if you look at the Steelers and Ben Rothlisberger. He's the only quarterback die gets touchdowns in big yards on off script place. Yeah. And there's not another quarterback in league that does that in. Antonio Brown has been used is find a way to make it work, and it's not on that Tonio Brown to make it work. Because if Ben Rothlisberger Mike Tomlin, it's those two this should have never gotten this far at all office. Don't criticize them in public. Who were you you guys on the same level? You don't need to criticize him pull them to the side. If you feel the certain way, Tom Lee once that criticism happened, you should've stopped at immediately set those two guys down to me, those two guys have to make it right? But it looks like Antonio Brown is at the point in overtime. I don't think he works in places like New England. I I don't see it happen. He when you've been in one spot for nine years in you've played a certain way. That's the biggest key. He's played a certain at liberal out in Pittsburgh, you'll run a curl route. If he doesn't get the ball. He takes off down the field. That's the report that him being built up. That's not gonna work with any other team boss coming out on time. We're not going to have all these off scripted plays. And he's not used to that. Because he's been in one spot for nine years. I think fans sometimes forget that fit matters. I mean Randy moss was always talented and Brady made it work with him. But fit is humongous in the NBA. Kevin Durant gonna score everywhere. He is now he may not win titles. And okay, see he may win titles in different places. Nobody's gonna stop Kevin Durant. But if you give Julio Jones, Blake Bortles his numbers are going to decline, and so can I look at Antonio Brown. And I'm like humongous talent. Here's the thing. If you ran a football team, though is he destructive there's dysfunctional. I can deal with this function. I'm dysfunctional. I can't deal with destructive is destructive. I don't believe he's destructive. And I just stated when like Ben Rothlisberger has gotten a pass in this. He's gotten a pass. You don't criticize your teammates publicly. You don't alive earned a right? Why who were you who were you? When you throw a pig. Do do we criticize you? When you take unnecessary sex. We criticize your old offense. No. If you have a problem, you pull them to the side. I he's not destructive. He's like any other player. Everybody has a little dysfunctional to everybody has a little selfishness term. He wants to win. He might go about things certain way. But it starts at Tomlin in Ben handled this the right way. And and I believe they could possibly bring this relationship back together. But they have to handle it the right way in fort to have come to this right now, it shows me they haven't reached out and try to solve anything and trying to mend fences. All right Cuyler Maria small, he's only played seventeen college games. His dad was a college quarterback. So there's some people are saying there's a little tiny lavar ball situation going on we're dad's very outspoken guy. He was a college quarterback his dad, and he likes his son, and blah, blah, blah. My takeaway is on this. The NFL has got a history and even in life is every everything's changing in life. Parenting is still always the same. Come home. Do your homework. Get a snack come to dinner. Love your kids, better -ly. You can say what you want about parenting. Social media doesn't change the principles of parenting work hard. Be good your brothers and sisters be respectful and do your homework when you get home. Same in football. I about Mitch Trubisky can run around the Mark and run around guy at Ohio State, Dwayne Haskins six four and a half throw strikes. That's all I care about. I look at Murray. I think he's an NFL player TJ tiny small small, he's shoulders. I never liked. Johnny Manziel is said Johnny's to smallest shoulders aren't big Russell Wilson short. But he's thick. I think Tyler can play in this league. But aren't you concerned about his size? I'm the reason I'm concerned is it's unprecedented. We haven't we haven't seen this before. And I say this earlier Russell Wilson a short, but he's thick his shoulders are broad. Stick in his mid section is lower body. Same would Baker Mayfield. You say he's a guy column Maria slight he has a small he's not as dense. We've never seen this before. But this is what I will say Baker Mayfield play offense at Oklahoma three years. Kyla Mary played one year net. One year was better than any three years at Baker Mayfield had that's something that has to mean, some new that offense inside and out and Cuyler Murray's one year as a starter was better than any year. Baker Mayfield head that has to me he played like trash in the first half against Alabama. And then they could not stop him in the second half. And I'll Abam that defense is loaded with NFL talent, you have to go to the right fit. If cliff Kingsbury believes Josh Rosen, you don't take them. But if you had any doubt, you if you're cliff kings wearing you say you can take any quarterback in NFL right now, he would probably take. Patrick Mahomes after that, he probably take Conor Murray. He'd probably take Connery. You stand shotgun. You spread the field out you get under center, very little in you, see if he can work. But it all depends on what do they think of Josh Rosen? You traded up for them last year in drafting him with the tenth pick. Interesting. Finally, so Brian Hoyer is a patriot. Brian Hoyer, according to Albert Breyer money morning quarterback. Brian Hoyer watched ESPN, plus the Rams he watched the Amazon prime series and got ram stuff. He watched HP hard knocks with ram stuff and after all these series. He determined this is the offense Iran he goes to ballot. Check and says here's what you do. And Brian Hoyer, essentially created help create a defensive game plan to be Goth. What do you take from all that? I wouldn't take that he helped created a defensive game plan. I read that story. I know he said that system doesn't have an answer for covers zero. Yeah. I was watching a game Aero's blitzing. Yes. Covers zero no safeties in the middle. Everybody's manned up. And I was watching a game before the snap. I'm like this is covers zero. So now that McVeigh in even college Shanahan. No this. I guarantee they'll have Asif recovers zero now. But you still gotta go play the player still have to execute. There's so much information out there with all these cameras in different Mike's everywhere. It sounds good. Because you won the game in the defense. Did a great job. But there's this information on every team out there some more than others. But I think he's patting himself on the back a little too much. He wants a little more credit than he deserves. You can give me all the information. I still gotta go take the test. Did you ever play an NFL game where you felt the team? You are facing had your number like really knew what you were doing. Yes. I really we are never we talked about this before when we played New England. We killed them in a preseason game three. We absolutely slaughtered them. And Bella check brought his starters back out and they played the whole second half. And we're on the bench chilling because we killed him. We played them in a regular season. And they return the favor and kilt us. They beat us down. And everybody thought we we ran a lot of check with me. So we would have a run plan a pass play called in a huddle. And we would get toward a different way. We did say one one for the run or to to for the past or vice versa. Every time we call the play whether it was run or pass Bruschi was calling it out this past has passed. This is run is run. And so the theory was he put them back in the second half because he put mics on his linemen in they were still in our calls during a preseason thought because it was like every time Carson changed play Bruschi, literally yell it out runner path. And he was right. Like ninety percent of the time. What a shock the patriot. Or patriots Kofi? You're right. So I mean, that's just coaching man. Give give credit where credit is due this coaching. And they got Tom Brady under center. Good stuff. Good scene. You. Thank you TJ, hoesch, Mendonca joy, ten of the news. On the news. This is the third line news. All right. Well, talks a lot today about magic. And it's hampering. Simmons and he wants advice on brands. Well, the NBA has salted they'd gone to the bottom of this whole saga. So according to the NBA the Sixers initiated contact with the Lakers by requesting a meeting between Magic Johnson, and Ben Simmons both organizations openly concluded that such a meeting did not make sense Johnson's response to media inquiry regarding Simmons does not run afoul of league rules. So basically that's done and it's not tampering. Not officially not temporary not tampering. I agree with that. I don't think it's tampering. No, the whole thing. Kind of went a little crazy. What sounded weird obviously? When magic was like, yeah. Ben Simmons contacted me actually some on someone else contact me. And I said leaks got a proven just like, what are you? What are you doing? And then out brand came out and said that he blocked that meeting from happening so looked a little sketchy. But then grandee apologized basically done at least for this chapter in the Magic Johnson possibly tampering. So the Celtics currently fifth in the east. They're going through rough stretch. Which? Of days on and off the court. They lost the Lakers on that Rondo buzzer-beaters twenty eight point lead. The Sixers booed off court. And now Ryan win horse is reporting that Jason Tatum wouldn't mind getting traded to the pelicans this summer's part of a deal for Anthony Davis. Jason tatum. Does want to be the man TJ said, by the way, how do you know, you're not going to be the man in Boston? If Jason Tatum becomes twenty four a game is not the man we've averaging eighteen three point three points right now. He's a baby. This is the second year. What if next year average is twenty four? Why would I go more shots though? Get enough. So or shots. I'm HALE shots. Would you rather catch six balls with the patriots or eleven with the Jags? Oh, six the patriots. Okay. Winning. That's after playing so many years, and you realize that this young the point here that that's a great point. Yes. That is the point here. They have a lot of young players. Everybody is trying to get their points and their stats for contracts. They're all trying to get their long-term contracts. The rebuild sounds nice. But this is what you're dealing with. They have a lot of chemistry issues. And Jason Tatum is. Has the potential to be James harden type player after he left? Okay. See? So when are sit on ESPN radio the gossip is one of mine if he's shipped in New Orleans and has a chance to be the face of a franchise somewhere is not going to get that opportunity in Boston. At least in the immediate future. Have confidence in yourself. Grow into a twenty five point game guy. And you'll be the I don't think Cairo Irving from the sound of it. It's going to be there long term. So you're gonna be the guy why is everybody? So you know, I have stayed seven years minimum at every job. I've ever had now over time after a decade, I've left places, but at some point jog for like fifty years NBA guys can do theirs. If they stay in shape for seventeen that's a long time. He's seven seven out of a seventeen year. So he's years is a long time. But in Boston two years, he already is like, I wouldn't mind going really you. How many franchises are better in this league than Boston three? How to me this is more of a reflection of what's happening in Boston right now been Jason Tatum reflection. And he's he's his name is Ben in the in the trade talks. It's you know, it's crazy town joy literally Kevin Durant in the perfect spot. I'm restless Jason Tatum to the perfect the basketball culture now is becoming like get yours. Get yours. But what happens when you're is there? It's like the guy who's always looking over at the cute neighbor. What happens if your wife's amazing? Jason tatum. Jason tatum. Started this Norlin. I'm not saying started it LeBron is the player and power guy. But LeBron literally changes franchises. Like when you arrive. The whole world changes Jason Tatum. So nice plays. They're professional athletes. Go out there with the mentality. Your LeBron are always gonna lose. Lebron? Just incredible. I don't even get it would be like going from the patriots the Jags. What are you doing? You're gonna make. Can't will be money. It can't all be money. They're rich. Some people are motivated purely by money. I'm not saying that's what Jason Tatum. Once. I think he wants to be the face of a franchise and the potential to do that. He doesn't feel like he can do that in Boston again. This is just report isn't come out and trade or anything. It's just the conversation. Finally, you love this. So after news came out this morning. Kyle Murray was hiring the same agent as cliff Kingsbury Jason McIntyre, he put out an article that we came across detailed potential landing spot for Josh Rosen. There's been a lot of talk about the cardinals moving off. Josh rosen. Should the cardinals decide the trade him New England as possible landing spot for him that were rumors ballot. Check like Rosen before last year's draft. And he could go Brady said he wants to play for until he's forty five. So he could go to New England sit for three years where imagining eventually Tom Brady's gonna show some signs of aging. This is not hard. I I gotta be honest with you. I'm not on this rumor stuff a lot of nonsense. This makes eight ton cents. He's highly cerebral Bill is built a program around. Accuracy and pre snap efficiency. That's rosen. Strength. Those are literally the two things he's a real accurate thrower. He's very much like Brady. There's a lot of radiant him. I have no idea why you would move off of Josh Rosen for Kyle Murray, unless you're just trying to make crazy splashes. I know cliff Kingsbury said that he liked him a lot. But that was before he was the head coach was actually his decisions makes not gonna hold him to that. I wouldn't move off. Josh Rosen if I'm the cardinals, and I'm not saying I would do that either. But I I don't know that his personality necessarily fits with the patriots stretchers outspoken kid. He's not he's not a he doesn't give me that patriots way. By that getting line do as I say, it's all one. Yeah. He tends to be a little political. Yeah. I mean, he had he's not moving off of that that that's the the this his I don't think it's personality fits the patriots. Interesting though, it's a fun conversation. It really is. Free agencies going to be fun. I gotta Antonio Brown. I got lady belly could have. Hey, listen. If you're Josh Rosen Joe flack, hey, if you're Josh Rosen this morning joy. And somebody said you use got traded New England, would you pack those bags blandly, by the way. I know Josh Rosen family. I'll throw this at you. There's a little inside information. I'm not gonna give the address, but they have a nice place out there in Massachusetts, really island vacation home out there. The family historically has there's all sorts. Josh rosen. Family is connected in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I don't think this'll be the world's worst. I gotta tell you something Rosen. If you told Josh Rosen, you can play in two places his number one would be with the Rams they got a quarterback and his number two would be New England. They've the family is connected. Gonna play New England. Well for year two went from being the guy and having a franchise sitting behind Tom Brady. I think when you're twenty three that's just that's okay. If you're if you're thirty eight I wanna start, but Twenty-three this is fascinating. It is interesting. I'm going to start a new Josh Rosen podcast the show joy Taylor, the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by heard lie cliff Kingsbury remember this back in October admitted how much this is when he was coaching college football how much he liked Cuyler Murray. Here. It was I've never seen. It have a poor outing not one which quarterback it's impossible to do. But he's done it. Hi, take him with. I figure the draft. If I could I know he signed up to play baseball, but he is a dominant football player. And I would I would take the first pick saying interesting. The owner of the Arizona Cardinals has said. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. You hear a lot of stuff? But that doesn't mean it'll that doesn't mean it'll happen here that here's the draft. Order in the NFL zone is one. I don't think they're gonna move off Rosen. Niners have Jimmy Garoppolo. They're not taking Kyla Murray. A jets have darnold. They're not taking him raiders have Derek Carr. I would not I would not trae Derek Carr. Tampa Bay's got Jameis Winston I think I would consider Cuyler Murray. Just consider him giants have number sex. I'd take doing Haskins. That's what I would do a Jaguar seventh Cuyler Murray. I get it. I totally get it. Bills have their guy lions have their guy. Broncos don't. But I don't think they I don't think Elway would go with Kylie marine. Many would. Maybe would. Well, there's always some crazy traits that go onto so listen you, and I are in the gossip business. I mean to some degree. I do some big j journalism, so do you? But this is okay. For us to talk about the stuff is stuff happens. All the time. Just the hypothetical. It's I it's interesting. And look I think the value of quarterbacks is, obviously what we both agree. It's no one can really argue with the value of quarterbacks drafting quarterback high is not not a mistake to me because if you need one you gotta take the risk, right? But when you look at how many undrafted players actually make Rosser day after league, you're scouting is really just the most important thing you've got going on right now. So I think you're gonna end up going high. I don't I don't think that his size is as impactful as it used to be because quarterbacks are protected so much more of these very very interesting coming up next. The Detroit Lions somebody's gonna be on hard knocks in the NFL H B O R now determining who's going to be on hard knocked and the Detroit Lions. Said no make it be the raiders we don't we don't want. I will tell you. There's five teams in the NFL. I would absolutely love to see on hard docs for for different reasons. That's coming up investor last one more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like tar shopping's confusing. Terms dealer price list price. Invoice. Here's what's not confusing. Three grand on average of MS RPM so lion's head coach Matt Patricia the Detroit Lions are one of five NFL teams that are currently viable for hard. Knocks hard knocks has some rules on HBO hard knocks is the show where they Mike team for camp. And it's wildly entertaining. And if you have a first year head coach, you can't be on it. If you have a playoff apparent in the past two years, you can't be on it. And if you've been in the last ten years, you can't be on it. So there's only five teams available this year that qualify Washington. Forty niners. Giants lions in the raiders. That's it. And Matt Patricia the lions coach said this yesterday. He don't want be on the show. I think Jon Gruden is an excellent choice for that show. I think you Oakland, Raiders and everything they got going on right now would be fantastic viewing for everybody to watch. I don't think he wants to be on it. I wouldn't wanna be on it, especially that Super Bowl story that came out today. Monday morning quarterback where Albert breer discovered that the patriots had seen so much of the Rams on TV shows they were able to pick up their audibles and it helped carve in create their defensive game plan. But I thought to myself in best for last we can do a little NFL music. What would be the five if you could choose there? No rules. There were no rules five teams to be on hard knocks. I think number five would be the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're coming off a year. When maybe the most talented offense did not make the playoffs. Big Ben never shies away. From speaking his mind, they're potentially going to have Antonio Brown. If nobody picks him up. There's the. Baby bell mass. That's not been resolved. And I would say this. They're very player friendly. They're very outspoken. I've never really seen inside those doors. I think it would be fascinating to watch the Rooney's Tomlin big bed. I would have the Steelers at number five. They've been called the card actions by several people. Now, that's the number one reality show. So how about Carolina Cam comes off disastrous season. You're getting to a point. Now, it does appear that the head coach Ron Rivera and Cam Newton don't see to eye. They brought in a new coordinator at didn't work. He's coming off injury. And by the way, cams fascinating. You put them on camera the ratings go up good, lookin', fashiony stuff hipster and sometimes immature. I think they'd be fascinating. Dale, so Eric read just signed he's capture Nick ally. Maybe that's something. I think number three would be the Green Bay Packers. I'm sorry. But Aaron Rodgers and Matla Fluor is fascinating to me. I have no idea how it's gonna work out. You're gonna have this all time. Great town Aaron Rodgers. And then there's thirty five year old kid is the head coach maybe got a cameo from danika Patrick. But I think what I'm really interested in watching is Aaron Rodgers legacy now. If he doesn't turn it around here in the next two years with Matt leflore. He's a thirty seven year old guy working on his third coach and Peyton Manning's Elway's. Brady's like a totally different class. This is go time for Aaron Rogers and his legacy. It's go time with Matt leflore. Who's by the way, been a coordinator one year of his life. Number two. I know you're gonna think it's boring putting New England. I know you think it's boring, but watching them half to be filmed against everything that's in their DNA is interesting to me. And by the way, you put Tom Brady on camera. It would be interesting element on camera L attack this being forced to go behind the scenes be fascinating, you watch Tom versus time versus time on steroids. We have thirty cameras, and so and I also think. When people don't wanna do something. And they're forced to do something. It's interesting. And then I think number one, and I'm not sure it's close the raiders first of all I contend. I think joy you've heard me say this. I still think Jon Gruden sees himself as a little bit of a TV star and football coach like if you do something for ten years, and you're really good at it. You can leave the business, but it's still part of you Jon Gruden was TV star for ten years. In fact, I'd say a bigger TV star than football coach for ten years, then he becomes the raiders coat. I still think he's got ten twenty percent football TV star in you're coming off a four win season. It's the biggest draft in the NFL for a single team in like forever. They got rid of Khalil Mack. Amari Cooper this draft is the franchise. Like, this is the franchise. They don't have a home stadium next year. I think there's the raiders have a little bit of Derek Carr. Jon Gruden a little drama there. So I think my top five Steelers Panthers. Packers patriots. And the raiders I don't think for all those reasons you mentioned the NFL is going to pick the raiders to do it. They need the raiders to work. They're moving them to to another city. How if I'm the NFL makes this choice. Right. So give me the choice. Again. What are the teams that? I can choose men. There's a lot of boring. Okay. So Washington's going to be awful. I'm not interested Alex Smith starting quarterback. I'm not interested Detroit. I'm just not interested giants ally. Manning, a wonderful guy. Not interesting. I think that the the forty Niners in the raiders of the most interesting, I think the NFL needs the raiders to work and this particular season being they don't even know where they're going to play all the dysfunction that they had last year. And the fact that they need the raiders to work because they're moving them to another city in a brand new stadium in in that really doesn't have any football roots in Las Vegas. I think that the forty Niners. Make the most sense Odell Beckham does can you imagine being HBO you'd put hotel Beckham in every Beckham and saquon Barkley, our good, looking fun, highly energetic guy. So you just bar. I think the giants if you think about it. I'd get sixty percent of my show would be Odell thirty percent would be Barclay. And then it would be the giants draft a quarterback. That's their interesting. If the giants draft a quarterback that the team you pick. I've talked myself in. I think I think my vote is still the forty Niners. Jimmy Garoppolo coming. Because. Brown going there. If there's a tray that's made. Four nights on the most interesting, they make the most sense out of that group. I guess at least, you know, who my staff just whispered in my ear, and I love when I do that Bill Polian on the show tomorrow. My friend, my friend Bill Polian. I let me just throw this can conspiracy theory. These two football leagues the af. And then next year the XFL their spring football leagues, I will say this again one or both will work. I'm not so sure they won't merge in five years. But I'm just going to throw this at you the NFL. The NFL has a history of doing whatever they can to make life difficult for the NBA in baseball, the NFL's going to help one of these legs make it so guys like me and the media for two months, talk football instead of basketball, just my theory. I don't think that's them much of a conspiracy. Thank you, by the way. Good day for joy today. Wasn't it joy had? I think the best day ever. Not sure was not sensation. Third. You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about eagle maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. We're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. 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Joe Flacco, Lakers, LeBron James, and Antonio Brown

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Joe Flacco, Lakers, LeBron James, and Antonio Brown

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We're on iheartradio, Fox Sports radio. Siriusxm channel eighty three. Today. We're an f s to flip over today. Joy Taylor is joining me joy. How are you this morning? I'm running the bible to limit fell news joy. We'll hit on this morning about thirty minutes. Her line news little story today in the NFL. Joe flacco won a Super Bowl an MVP sign a fat contract. Never quite the same is going to the Denver Broncos who have case keenum? That's never been John Elway guy. John L Y think getting tired of drafting quarterback. He hasn't been great at that. He whiffed on Paxton Lynch. So John Elway said I'm gonna hire a old defensive guy to be my head coach, we can run the football. Very well, Denver always runs the football. While doesn't matter who the back is. And we just got a veteran strong armed quarterback. This is this is what John Elway wants his team to be an Elway hadn't had a lot of success in the dry. Drafting quarterbacks. And so he's like listen, I'm going to get a veteran quarterback who's had success against good teams a winning playoff record Super Bowl MVP, not the most accurate thrower today. Not in. He's got a little Cam Newton. I don't I don't trust flacco and Cam delivering the ball tight windows, but a huge arm and they're going to run the ball because Dan rose does that's what Denver does and they're gonna play their butts off defensively with Vic Fangio defensive guy, and it'll be kinda boring football Fangio never big personality flag on a big personality. It's just going to be Denver Bronco football. This is what Denver played for years and years and years in the rocky mountains going back to Craig Morton. I mean, frankly, even going back to John Elway. They ran the ball. That's when they wanted to bulls and they played events, and that's where they're going to be. And they're going to be better. How much better I don't know. But they're better today. Denver Broncos are a better football team today. I think with Vic Fangio coaching and with Joe flacco quarterbacking and Baltimore is gonna get you know, they didn't have to give up. Anything to get him. I mean, they're going to give up. It says here amid round pick. If you're better a quarterback and all you have to give up a fourth round pick. That's good. That's a good day for Denver new coach new quarterback cannon arm. One on the road winning playoff record. Always went toe to toe with Brady and FOX Perot flat goes, not great not top twelve guy. But you're gonna give them a running game in a defense. You going games with Joe flacco, he's a much better armed talent than case keenum. And by the way, the ravens create clarity ravens are like, you know, what we're doing the Lamar Jackson thing. Let's not have flacco hovering around us it, by the way might might gut feeling on this is Baltimore goes out and acquires levian bell. If you ask me today, we're lazy and bells gonna end up, my gut feeling I don't have any sourcing on this. This is just my gut lady and bells going to Baltimore and Baltimore's all in. They're going to be a sixty five to sixty percent run team play. Great defense veteran coach Lamar Jackson. Ask him to throw eighteen to twenty two times. He can make those. Throw not a great thrower, but can make them. So I think Baltimore is gonna go out for lady and bell. And they just said today, here's our future inch Lamar Jackson. That's good for them. And then Denver's like we're gonna go defense veteran big on quarterback run the ball. Good for them. And that's where I think we are today. So I think I think Denver's better. I don't know if Baltimore's better, I know Baltimore created clarity in the locker room. It's Lamar Jackson's team. So Baltimore created that that makes teams better. Usually, here's what we are. Even if you're limited Detroit Pistons we play defense. Remember, the bad, boys? We know shoes wells everybody, we're not as artistic everybody. But we do what we do. Well, that's usually in sports a good thing to do. So Baltimore's lie here's organ do. We'll play defense and run the football even or quarterback runs. So I think it was good for both teams so crucial to designate. Yes college. You can do the flip flop thing. You can't pros for us to like, thankfully. We don't have to go into the season's talking about a quarterback controversy. Right. If you have more than one. Quarterback. You have no quarter. The other thing I like about this. I gotta be honest about this. Here's what I like about. This is that I'm a fan of football. I just don't like teams that don't have a guy at quarterback. So Baltimore said Lamar Jackson. I think Lamar's fascinating to watch. I've said this about Baker Mayfield Baker is not one of the top ten quarterbacks. He's easily one of the top five most interesting to watch. Because his first Nellie Baltimore now has a guy. And now Denver has a guy that I think they'll keep for years to three or four year. They got a guy football's better that way, you know, nothing's worse than when you have a guy like Ryan tannehill. And you know, Miami didn't truly believe in him. You know, they don't, you know, Denver doesn't truly believe in case keenum, you know, they know. So I like teams to have a guide. I really believe John Elway believes this morning, we go in we go in big games. We can go into Kansas City with a run game in a defense and a veteran code. We can beat moms. It be close. But we can you never felt that with case keenum. You don't feel like Denver really has a shot to get into a shootout. So that makes. Me. Happy for football. I think in general that's better we got clarity with the ravens. We got a big strong arm guy with Denver. It's good for the league is a good thing is a good thing. And that's what happens when all these young quarterbacks come from college. The problem compla- you move out guys. Joe flack about by the way used to be you gotta Joe flacco fifteen years. He never left now veteran quarterbacks are moving. It's fun. And it's a rare thing for a quarterback of Joe flacco 's cameo he hasn't been playing great to be on the market. All right. Let me shift to this. I don't know if you watched last night the Lakers allow the Atlanta Hawks hawks are nineteen games under five hundred. They almost scored seventy points on the Lakers in the first half. What wait a minute. I was reading the newspaper a couple days ago that win over Boston. It was going to save the season. Well, that's all the NBA media guys told me. Think proclaimed Rondo shot against the Celtics guy at changes every day like urge Jappie. Now, they got beat by the crappy hawks and blown up the Sixers folks, but the ball bombs down report not support media members. Once every Laker was mentioned as trade bait you poison the locker room, they're not going to recover, and Luke Walton is toast. That's what we said. That's what I believe. And now three games in post trade deadline. This is what you have the Lakers have eight days off. And you're going to see a big push now to get rid of Luke Walton? Lebron Luke Walton have no relationship. Magic Johnson didn't hire him. I don't think he's a great coach. I don't think he's terrible. I think is substitution patterns border on random at best inconsistent at worst bizarre in random. But I will just remind you football is the coaching sport. Basketball is the player sport is Brad Stevens a good coach. Yes, he's currently a fifth seed in the east is Gregg Popovich a good coach. Yeah. Seven seat is. Erik spoelstra. Good coach. Yes. He is ninth. Seed is Rick Carlisle good, coach coaches think he's brilliant. He's an eleventh seed, okay? This is a players league. You know, Dwane Casey one coach of the year in the NBA. Do you know where he picked up his award an applebees across the street because they fired him. They couldn't get the award in the building. He was across street having lunch because they kicked him out of the building that's doing Casey coach of the year. So if you're asking me. Who the most talented teams in the NBA? Are I was thinking about this this morning, if you said who are the what of the most talented racers in the NBA? I'd say Golden State number one. Let's not even argue about that. And then you can argue about stuff I'd say Houston second if Chris Paul's healthy and James harden and Clint Capelle, and Eric Gordon, I take Houston's the second best roster. Not as quite as good as last year. But number two, Oklahoma City. I've got Westbrook. I got the MVP Paul George. I got Stephen Adams. And I would give them a narrow narrow edge over Philadelphia because Jimmy Butler Simmons and Embiid, I'm not sure I don't know about the chemistry. I like the players. I put Philadelphia four Tobias Harris. That's a really good roster. I just don't think yet they're chemistry's quite as good as a Houston. I'd put Boston five Toronto with Markelle Saal. I may be under selling them at six and Milwaukee Middleton Yoenis I put him at seven cadets. The that's seven rosters. I don't have the Lakers. Eight. I think you can start arguing on the Lakers behalf from eight to about sixteen and I'm not so sure they're not closer to sixteen the nine or eight and LeBron twists his ankle there. There are sixteenth. So congrats on fire in Luke Walton? That's not the issue. Lebron does create this is not a criticism. It is a reality. If I if I yelled at my son for getting a D N math that is not a criticism that is a reality. If he gets it. Lebron does create an urgency in a stress and at times an unrealistic expectation on a franchise that you have to win now and people have to leave and draft picks have to go to win. Now. That's the stress that LeBron creates I'm not it's not a criticism. It's a reality. I've seen it multiple times. But I will just say this did Luke Walton hurt lebrons growing because they were the four seed before that did Luke Walton hurt Lonzo ball who got hurt again. Oh, he didn't. He didn't do those two. Did did he leak all the stories that? In the locker room. No, Luke, Walton didn't do that either. Okay. So never forget pre LeBron's injury. Lakers were the fourth seed in the west the chemistry was getting better there. Only two and a half games out of the playoffs. Now. But go ahead. Take a wrecking ball to blow up the coaching staff. Go for it. That's not the answer. Lebron creates an expectation that puts stress on a franchise now, he is probably the first second third best basketball player I've seen, but that's a reality with LeBron. And so let's blow out Luke Walton is not the problem. Let's trade a bunch of players and get AD. I'm not sure that's going to be great. I think it'd be good. I don't think it would be great. I've seen LeBron with Biggs before. So it looks like eight days off loss to Atlanta almost gave up seventy in the first half to a bad NBA team that I'm not even sure is trying to win. I think they're in the sign Williamson interest sweepstakes as well. But that's the world we live in. I never bought into that ridiculous notion that the win over the Celtics meant anything. I I told you I last Friday off I opened up the internet, and there are all these stories about that can play with anybody say the unbelievable proportions. We just wanted to feel good about the Lakers. Couple seconds long. First half of the. 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And I always said, I don't know. They're your kids. You had them at your responsibility to teaching moment people whenever there was a controversy in sports. My kids are watching these games. What what am I going to tell my kids? I don't know. I don't even know their names. They're your kids. Okay. It's a teaching moment don't confuse Antonio Brown. Wanting to be traded for a problem. It is not easy. This is a moment for an opportunity. First of all, Pittsburgh standards are really high the Cleveland Browns last year went seven eight and one and they're throwing a parade. The Steelers went nine six and one and they're pissed because the standards are much higher. Players. After five or six years. You got a ton out of Antonio Brown. Now at thirty one flippin for a pick opportunity you bought low six round sell. Hi, this is not a problem. Lebian bell getting nothing for him that I don't like that stings. But in Tonio Brown think what this way say it out loud. If I said to you. Hey, there's this NFL team that foulness player in the six round. They paint him nothing for like three years. Nothing. He ended up getting eleven thousand yards and seventy four touchdowns. Pay them nothing. If I had to pay him a little now, he's thirty one wide receivers post thirty generally start to fade. And we were able to then flip him and get a really good pick. Oh, but what do you do at receiver? Oh, we already got one. We do the receiver thing really well juju Smith Schuster. We do the receiver thing. Really? Well, folks, here's what I know. Life real estate sports, Wall Street Bilo, sell high winds everywhere you buy the property low fix it up sell it. High six round eleven thousand yards seventy four TD's sold all sorts of jerseys. And now you're gonna flip him but thirty one because you've got another receiver. You don't have to pay as much. That's a problem. That's an opportunity. All these wide receivers for the Steelers seem to leave Mike Wallace left Plaxico left. Emmanuel sanders. Left's Antonio homes left Martavis Bryant left they all leave and they all get replaced when it comes to the Chicago Bears in linebackers. They do it. Right. When it comes to the Denver Broncos running backs. They do it. Right. The Broncos have had ten different running backs run for thousand yards when it comes to the New England Patriots in offensive lineman. They just find him David Andrews, an all pro center. He didn't get drafted. Did you ever watch shack? Mason of college. They take other people's bad offensive lineman overrated guys moving to left tackle. And they're great. And when it comes to the Steelers and wide receiver. They do that position. Really? Well, like the Broncos do running back in the bears. Do linebacker in the patriots offense of maybe it's a coach. Maybe it's a scout. I don't know. But you know, Antonio Brown leaving is not a dilemma, it'd be a dilemma for Cleveland. It'd be a dilemma for Jacksonville. It's not a dilemma for Pittsburgh. It's an opportunity. It's an opportunity you gotta receiver. You got a quarterback. You gotta get online. You got an emerging linebacking core. And you're gonna flip him and get a really good pick, which you've proven you draft. Really really well last year once again, you appear to have had a really good draft don't confuse what you perceive as a massive roadblock to simply be parenting or football at opportunity Bill Polian, by the way in fifty minutes. Chris Bosh around the corner. Here's joy Taylor. The news. I heard on the news. This is the heard line news. All right. So last night number two Duke pulled off an incredible win against number sixteen. Louisville was the biggest comeback of coach K's career. They trailed by twenty three points with ten minutes, basically to go in the second half and rallied to win. Just seventy one sixty nine pros on that team basically sign Williams let the blue devils with twenty seven points and twelve rebounds in the wind cameras scored sixteen point two points after halftime so do one it's eight game in a row despite shooting a season low thirty seven percent from the field. Twenty two losses. Syracuse. I gotta tell ya Zion Williamson's fun to watch. He's the I don't remember a college basketball player. I had this much fun. Watching there've been some good ones. But zion. Williamson to me is probably the most fun. I've had watching college. I've watched Duke play ten times. I think he's the most exciting college basketball player. I have seen in a decade. I don't even remember the next guy that made me turn to a TV in college basketball. I don't Patrick Ewing comes to mind seriously. So he so dominating he I'm not saying he's LeBron. I'm just saying he threw reminds you of LeBron with his athleticism and his size and just watch this play him bringing it line to line. It's he just moves people. I think that's that's part of what's so exciting about him. It's just he's he's got all the little Carl Malone. A little Blake Griffin a little LeBron's James. I it's amazing to me. There was I heard somebody last week. I'm not going to name the person out of his gourd said, he's not. Really built for the NBA timeout. First of all is body is transformative. He's got a great first step. He has a beautiful touch around the rim as long as he can shoot. Seventy five percent free throws. He's at twenty five point game in the eventually in the NBA. I mean, he is he is a big guy. Our concerns about weight your weight, lower extremities knees and whatnot. When you are that size and the league has gone more about skill than athleticism and size, which I mean, we talk about all the time. You know, when you're talking about Russell Westbrook. And it's it it matters. Obviously what what your skill is. Because eventually athleticism is going to finish. But he's he's going to be the number one number two pick. And I mean, I I think the top three picks are are on the team right now. Cam reddish. No. I think I think yet mean duke's the best team in college basketball. I don't think it's terribly close. And the thing would do because you notice now joy they're playing well now because these guys all come in from a U basketball, and you jam in Calabar is dealt with it. And it takes you until February until they know each other's first names. So whenever I I I'm always very careful to watch Kentucky Duke, Kansas that have one unplaced. I'm always really careful why I don't watch them early start watching about early February. Because this is what do I watched Duke play two months ago? They weren't nearly this good now they've felt they felt strong the beginning of the season. Now, I feel like they came out. Well, nobody nobody really knows how to defend scien-. So everybody now coaches, look and say, okay, do this do this do that? But I think do I think Duke is Michigan and Duke or my picks to get to the national championship in Michigan's a coaching story. And dukes at town teams. So Joe flacco has been traded through the Broncos. The ravens prove that they were going to be fully committed to the Mark Jackson in the future. So the ravens have agreed in principle to trade. Joe flacco to the Broncos Ann's Schefter tweet this this morning that the new Broncos head coach Vic Vic Fangio did spend a season in Baltimore with Joe flacco is the ravens quarterback. So he knows what he'll be getting and former Bronco's executive kubiak was also flacco fanny mentioned how much he liked the soon to be Bronco's quarterback. So those were strong selling points for them. Now trae can't make made official until the new year league start right right here starts in March thirteen but this is this is done an in report in rapid for. It tweeted. Just now that the Broncos will shop quarterback case keenum who's guaranteed seven million in two thousand nineteen if he if they can't either a massive pay cut or a release case keenum to me is the best backup quarterback in the league. He said he'd be a top back. Yeah. I think there's guide like I said this before. Nick foles case keenum can win playoff games that Jacoby brusett. Like there's three or four guys now in the NFL that I think are are really high end backups, and that doesn't mean case keenum cannot win. You went thirteen and three with Minnesota. He's not a stiff I think flack goes better as an arm talents. But case keenum is absolutely worth paying the money to the eagles. Not terrible. They're going to need a backup quarterback and a strong one. I think I think Jacksonville could use to. Then there's a lot of places that are going to be calling for for case keenum because he he is a strong backup quarterback. And this is a good thing. I'm glad that the ravens are going all in on Lamar Jackson. It's the worst. When you go into a season of quarterback controversy all training camp. You're discussing who's going to win the job? Nobody has any confidence. In anyone in the lions has get formed just like clear, the air make them your guy and move forward. And and just put all your chips on the table. So finally, Luke Walton on the hot seat this season. And the Lakers won seventeen thirteen loss to the hawks last night only heightened the criticism for him. And now odds have been released on who will be the next head coach next season of okay with Jason Kidd as the early favorites. Jackson is on the list Frank Vogel. Kevin Maceio on them it. Oh, Luke Walton is still there. Phil Jackson and lavar ball watch. Yeah. That's that's that's. This Cleveland Browns winning the Super Bowl. I'm not. I'm not going. I feel like Thai Lou should be someone that's considered by the way. My sources tell me that Tilahun LeBron not as close as everybody thinks. Okay. Grace. I my sources tell me that had LeBron come back to Cleveland tie. Lou wouldn't have necessarily been there. Do you think it strange that Tyler who's not on that list? So when everybody defends LeBron said, he's not tough on coaches. I'm like it. Engage. Not the easiest guy coaches because Tyler do that was never as close as everybody proclaimed. That's why Tyler who's not on this list. What do you think of Jason Kidd? He's fine. I don't think Luke Walton, Jason Kidd. Why why is Luke Walton significantly worse than Jason Kidd? I think they're both fine. Blue. If they're moving on from Luke wall and to me based off of the injuries that they've had this season. And the fact that there were really no expectations the season if they're moving on from him. It's a personality and chemistry thing more than anything else. Because to me, they're they're even Tom thibodeau is supposed to be a great coach. I watched Minnesota. I don't see there at all tip. Dole is not an LA coat now joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard li- going to be a hall of Famer thirteen years eleven time all star best high school player in Texas than he was a great college player, then he was an all star dominant player in Toronto. Then he went to Miami and won a bunch of rings. Good, dude. Chris Bosh joining us in the her today. Great deceit crush who. Now picks up a basketball only with his kids. Listen, you dealt with those blood clot issues that are serious. And in the good news. Is you or had established yourself as a hall of flame lie? This wasn't like you're sick. Where you would have left dreams on the table. How did it all? How'd you reconcile all of it? You had basketball left. But dude you'd given the game a ton. And you high-school college pro rings? You did a lot looking back on it. Yeah. Did do a lot. And I'm very blessed to be able to have those opportunities and then deliver. But yeah, I mean it didn't make an easy decision. Still had to consult with my family. I had to be a front and honest about myself, just you know, remembering that is hard decision to make. And I I wanted to play more basketball as, you know, quite frankly as what I wanted to do. Yeah. I've given my life to it. And there were still things, you know, being selfish that I wanted to accomplish on the leak, you know. Yeah. But it should be noted it when you were nine years old if somebody would have said, you're going to be the best high school player in Texas. You can be a final four guy. You're going to be two rings if they had a before you didn't get today went. To the final four after I left. So they got better without me. People always joke about. But you had you had a hell of a career and your widely respected in the league. Let me ask you about this. And this is not a criticism of LeBron. But LeBron comes into a team. And everybody's got this thing that end Tonio Anthony Davis gonna come as home going to be good. And I keep saying this. Lebron has always been good plan was shooters. But I saw you. I saw Kevin love it is tougher with LeBron. He doesn't want you hanging around the rim because he wants clearly open. He wants it open. Right. So, hey, Chris go stand over there. Now. Good news is you're a great shooter. Hey, Kevin go stand over there. Anthony davis. Isn't you as a shooter? I don't I don't know. Chris if that's a home run is it. Well, I mean, it's a home run because Anthony Davis is Anthony Davis. He's pretty good. Yeah. And I tell people this all the time. He was the first player that I knew I couldn't guard him. I don't know if he knew that. So I said, okay. Let me let me get whatever. I cannot this leave before this guy figures it out. He's a great player. He's a phenomenal talent with talent. Like that. You figure it out. And that's kind of always been I guess my philosophy and moving in the things you can worry about it later. We, you know, Disney shooters does he not new shooters? Does he need to change his game as he gets older? I don't know. But he's pretty good. And he's pretty good. If they're on the team, no figure it out. Well, d- Wade in LeBron. If you look at their games were never a perfect fit. Yeah. They were almost LeBron was a bigger D. Wade which is attack the basket, right? They work to a large degree delayed. Probably plays bigger than any six four guy ever one hundred Braun can be a point guard at six nine and a half. So he can shrink if he wants to. So to your point talents talent could I could I offer this though that and this is the way it is. If I had a great singing voice, I'm the late Whitney. Houston. Yeah. You're my singing coach. There are times. I'm actually tougher to coach one hundred percent. Of course, the more tat. Lebron is so gifted the Swiss army knife does everything well that he is harder to Cote. He was hard for Eric. He's hard for Luke. He was hard for black that there's a stress that LeBron creates on the coaching staff. What do you do if you have a biblical talent? All I mean as a best. That's if you can answer that I think they'll give you a coaching job tomorrow. You know, that's just one of the things. I mean, my Jordan Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'Neal these were once in a generational talents. And what was the verdict on their coach ability throughout a career? You know, they're always going to be, you know. Rumblings that they're difficult as just you know, what it takes to be a great player. And being a great player. You have to push yourself. You've got to push people and to be quite Frank. Nobody likes to be pushed all the time. You know what I mean? So if you're not agreeing with something, and there's some sort attention is going to be tension. Sometimes you know, what I mean? That's just a part of things I've said before I think the Miami teams are the smartest teams in league history incredibly high functioning, you donnas, hassle them Batty. Wade you LeBron Ray Allen. It's the smartest team ever assembled. I don't think it's the most gifted you didn't have a ton of size the bench was inconsistent. Mario chalmers. Drove me crazy. But it's the highest functioning team surreally in my life. And I do believe that LeBron works better with veterans because he's talented people don't want to be mentors. They want you to figure it out. So he loved you guys. Is it fair to say that Los Angeles with some quirky one year deals and kids? Do it may not be a perfect DNA fit for him. Look is the first year, you know. Even me looking at it. I knew that they weren't going to be a super really good team. They have a chance to be good. But looking at the make up the guys have to develop they don't know that there's a whole other level to the NBA when you bring a superstar into L A out of all places. I mean, those going to be an atomic bomb that goes off, and they haven't been able to really keep up with it. You can't you know, they're pretty much lending their job on the fly. So with the young guys there's going to be tremendous swings and ups and downs. You just have to learn about being consistent. And that's what it is about the NBA and you have to deal with the spotlight. You know, you're in the limelight. Now, this is what happens in the limelight is kinda wack when you find out, but it all comes down to the basketball court at the end of the day. So they have to do their job does Lonzo and LeBron fit to you. They're both. They need the ball. Yeah. I mean, but, you know, Lonzo so unselfish, you know, he's. You can tell just getting on the court. He'll he's like the classic point guard where if you pass to him he just kicks it up up to court. I mean, you have to tell him to be a little bit more selfish. So I think he still has more surfaces of his game that he hasn't even thought of exposed yet when you played with LeBron it was four years you were a rock tour. You were you to in their prime. I mean, you you are the stones. Yeah. Is it emotionally daunting being on a LeBron team? What what is it is it different? I mean, you know, that's what I mean by that is different. It's the spotlight. And I think when did you first notice it in Miami the minute I signed. The day the day same day and in member the next day the decision happened. And so then it just really went in the next day. We had a lot you did that a nice parade. You know what? I mean. I'll tell people all the time. Like, we didn't people didn't like like we didn't plan that it wasn't like an I mean, it was awesome come on. They have smoke and pyrotechnics and everybody we it was twenty thousand people with no basketball game going on. It was like the play offs. It was crazy. I had a great time. Everybody had a great time. You know, everybody on outside looking in not so much. Join I Joyce spent time in Miami. I love Miami. And I can remember going to games there. And I've always felt sports is better with good stories. It was a fascinating story. In fact, if you remember the first couple years you guys were villains. Then I think by then I think kind of people joined in when you won and everybody saw the joy of LeBron. But he's like, let's kind of fun. But the first year you were villain. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like the warriors twos. Like, you know, Katie goes, the you look like men, it looks fun K D this is to Steph like, oh that was a great pass is right on the number. Steph makes it they're just so unselfish moving the ball. Eventually when you see someone just out there expressing themselves, and and having fun and planet team sport you can't help. But but be a part of it, by the way, the Miami Heat are appropriately going to retire your jersey on March twenty six that's a home game against Atlanta. You know, we were. Talking about, you know, by is the aqua water, Pat Riley, D Wade, then all the sudden here comes Chris Bosh, Shane Batty. Lebron James, and it all came together. Tell me something about the NBA that fans listening. You know, I I say this all the time. Chris is that everybody wants to say, you guys make a bunch of money, and I say canoe imagine if tomorrow, my company traded me to the Bravo network, right? And I gotta move my family, right? Like, take my audience a little insight. I know everybody looks at NBA players as rich. But this league does wear you out. I watched LeBron sometimes, and I can sense through body language. He's been doing this Chris for sixteen years for sure. Do you still do you sense? Where is LeBron? Do you think? Now is it somewhat business? Is it the mogul stage? I mean, yeah, I mean, I think we've been in the mogul stays for a while. And those are thoughts that the modern athlete now is thinking about, you know, and he's definitely one of the pioneers of that, you know, after seeing Michael Jordan be a successful business person. And and my Magic Johnson amongst other NBA greats. You know, them moving on with their lives. You know, now, we're understanding the position that we're in and you have to do both at the same time you have to do that. And try to deliver on the core. Because if you don't deliver on the court the product is no good. I try you know, what I mean? That's just how it is. So it's it's it's a delicate balance that you have to figure out, but if you have opportunities to play in the NBA and use your platform for great things, then you know, by all means do it. I don't think it's all the way business, but businesses definitely way more into it. Like, you say Gaza could trade it like Tyler Johnson, great friend of mine. You know, it is the business. He's on the road. You know, they're already on the west coast trip. He. Gets traded. My wife asked me what does he do as well? He has he has forty eight hours to report to Phoenix. You know point client called Delta Airlines. It them get the sin my bags. Hopefully, they packed everything. And you know, I'll get the rest of my stuff in the summer as how it is. Yeah. You don't miss that part of it. No. I don't miss it. Man. I mean is is is road life. And that's one of the things that kinda helped me in my decision. My kids, you know, they is everything is cool now because you know, I'm able to work, but I come right back, you know, on on on those trips men, they just you know, especially being Miami. You're going up during the cold weather, and you know, it's the Arctic blast going on in his five below. You got aqua water. Yeah. You know what? I mean, you get out the pool, and then, you know, next thing, you know, you're freezing. So it's it's just it's a tough dynamic to handle when you're living on the Roadman. You had a great career. You you. You're you're a man with options you could get into broadcasting. You could go into the front office. You could do a lot of stuff. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to keep those things in mind as I Bill for the future. But you know, I've got some things comment. You know? I definitely want to be involved with basketball continue, you know, to do media stuff is fun this. This is fun, man. This I've worked at other places. This place has good. Yeah. I'm just telling you. I'm not gonna get into particular names, man. You know, they, you know, the LeBron is recruiting this. That's. Magic magic magic almost gun -tro- for tampering. I'm tampering right now. Of course, it's Tampere Tampere to we've trying to win a championship. We need players. It's do you wanna come come on when a championship? That's the only way things get done. Great senior, man. Good to seize. Well, Chris Bosh back in a second. The her be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific, Colin flu season, vixen X nasal spray. Couple of weeks on that puppy uses directed twelve hours. Do not eat it did that as a kid bad news, by the way, everybody's there's an old term in our business trapped in the moment. People freak out about stuff. And we overreact is what the media did when the Lakers beat the Celtics. And you know, it's sports sports create reactions to stuff, and I've said, I don't think I'm a hot take guy. I'm I'm usually a wet blanket guy. Not a hot take guy. I usually come out and say can we grow up? This is not a big deal when the Lakers beat the Celtics. I'm my reaction was oh, God grow up. It means nothing. They're going to get. Shelled by Philadelphia two nights. They're not a great team. They have one great player. So everybody now is jumping into the Cuyler Murray is going to go number one to Arizona, and they're going to trade Josh Rosen. I don't believe that's going to happen. The owner said no yesterday the cardinals came out and said, no, they they spent the number ten pick in the first round. I don't think the GM's going to acknowledge. I whipped on that. That's not the way it works. If they get a new GM he'd be much more likely to move off his pick. But a GM doesn't make a pack and in the next year say, yeah, my pick was no good. That's not the way the game works people that make picks general managers tend to be loyal to their picks. So what makes them look good? They're not going to do this. And the everything about Kyle Cuyler Murray is first of all generally short quarterbacks don't work. I know everybody watches Russell Wilson. But Seneca Wallace was small. He didn't work and Troy Smith was small, and he didn't work and Johnny Mandel was small and he didn't work in Pat white was small and he didn't work. Russell Wilson's Wilson. Outlined. You're a tiny and not even small tiny frame tiny guy that runs around. The thing is all these Oklahoma quarterbacks are amazing because Lincoln Riley is amazing. The last four quarterbacks that Lincoln Riley is had between East Carolina and Oklahoma. Dominique Davis amazing numbers. Shane carden. Baker Mayfield Cuyler Murray. They're all almost the same numbers. He makes all of them. Great Baker mayfield's the only one of those guys that to me is an elite thrower of the football. Cuyler Murray is a good throw the football. Baker mayfield's an elite thrower of the football. That's why you don't know where Shane Carden and Dominic Davis are so stop the Russell Wilson comparisons. Russell Wilson's a first ballot hall of Famer it's one of the greatest quarterback towns. I've never seen anything. Like Russell Wilson. Steve young's. The only thing I've ever seen in my life. Steve Young VIP, and he's a hall of Famer the only guy. Ever seen Russell Wilson. And I'm like, oh, he can run an throw equally. Well, Russell's it. I mean, Russell Wilson's made Tyler Lockett and Doug Baldwin like Pro Bowl level elite receivers they're good players. Great players when they team when Russell they're great players. He led the NFL and touchdown passes with the worst offensive line in the league two years ago. That's not Cuyler Murray, so small guys generally don't work Menzel didn't work Michael Vick for all the promise was never as good as we thought. He was going to be choice. Myth didn't work. Pat, white didn't work Seneca walls, didn't work. Well, what about Baker bakers a pocket elite thrower, which I told you before the draft. He wasn't my Cup of tea grabbing his junk nonsense, but he's an elite thrower kid throws. Great. In fact, he throws a better football in the pros that he did in college. I liked him in college. Those are better than the NFL. I don't think he's going to be a pro bowler. But I think he's an elite thrower the football. So Arezzo Ona's in a brutally tough division. You got McVeigh's. In the Rams. You got Garoppolo Kyle Shanahan. I got Pete Carolyn. Russell wilson. You know, what they need? They don't even Kyle Murray. They need draft picks. They need to trae the number one pick and get four picks for it. They don't need kind of Murray. Ask yourself. Do you think in ten years? Tyler Murray is going to be running around. Reckon this lead little five eight guy running really you really come on just. Arizona doesn't need that. What they need is a left tackle a new center. A right guard a pass. Well, it got a pass rusher. Chandler Jones, still right and you'll got past rusher. Slow down sometimes things sound fun. But they're not realistic. And that is not realistic. Bill polian. One of the smartest guys hall of fame. Level executive is now running the American alliance of football. I'm going to talk to him coming up next hour and why Michael Jordan is back on my good list. Michael Jordan is back on my good list. Our too coming up to her one more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. Our zoo canal. What LA renting again, it's the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening. We're live in Los Angeles on iheartradio today, Fox Sports radio. Siriusxm channel eighty three on the podcast later f s to today we got knocked on f s one on f s to obey back on f s one tomorrow. And then Friday, I'm just doing a radio show already own melody fund. Joy Taylor is joining me. How are you? I'm doing great. How are you? One of the smartest guys. I I've ever worked with Bill Polian hall of fame level executive hall of Famer of former Colt. Buffalo Bill built a colts underpaid manning built the bills Jim Kelly. One of the smartest guys I've ever met in football dearly. Miss him wonderful guys co-founder of af American lines of football. And I've said before I'm not sure if the league's in a work, but I think one of the two or both will work. I my gut feeling is these new football leagues. And I feel strong about it. I would I would be an investor if I could did this years ago about UFC fifteen years ago. Could I invest if I had the money I would have it sold for four and a half billion. I told you seven eight years ago, if I could invest in the m l s I would have it was thirty five million then at one hundred and eighty five million now for an expansion fee. And I think I would invest in both these leagues there's there's no anxiety from the NFL NFL. I think wants both these leased soc- succeed. And I'll say this about these leagues bottom line. Here's why they're going to work because the NFL has been showing time and time again. When they go after other leagues, they go after baseball, they go after college basketball. You don't think the NFL would love to see a February March early April football league to get guys? Like me talking about the NBA less. Well, yeah, they move all their free agency. They're draft their combat the NFL's in a battle with other leagues. They love that baseball won't shrink their season. They love the baseball playoffs happened in October right in the middle of football. So the NFL once they're in a battling with the NBA for eyeballs and Twitter clicks, and they would love to see one of these football leagues work, plus neither one of them. I think have aspirations of replacing China thou-. Right. So it only complemented by the way, I thought this was interesting. So I believe I'm not into this whole Westbrook. James harden chasing, stats chasing, plaques chasing award. I'm not into it. The only thing that matters in the NBA is winning titles. I don't give a rip about stats. I'm not into Westbrook. Look, I think hardens better than Westbrook by a lot. But I'm not into him staying in blowout games to get records. Both Westbrook and harden are chasing Wilt Chamberlain records. And I'll get to that in a second. But it's interesting because m j was asked the other day about what's more impressive. What Westbrook's doing triple doubles or what hardens doing scoring thirty game. Which is hard from player standpoint. Six championships foul Ming's. Winning by the way, Westbrook has head teammates Carmelo Anthony acknowledged. Yeah. Yeah. He's chasing a. He's chasing rebounds. So we're kind of goosing rebound stats Carmelo admitted it and James harden. His team is admitting it by keeping him in blowouts to hit a meaningless three. Lebron James, by the way, had a triple double last night. Here was LeBron James thought on his amazing triple double last night. They lost the ball game. I don't care what I did individually. I can care less if I'm not winning ball games. That's what that's what I'm all about. So I thought I'd game a trash. Triple double throat the trash because LeBron's chasing, something bigger. And you see this all the time. You see it in Hollywood. You see it in tech. You see it in sport to see it in the NBA. There are two paths. You can take in Hollywood you can be the rock make money and be popular. That's disposable. Nobody's going to be talking about rampage. Skyscraper tooth fairy. Eight minutes after they're released, but it makes rock rich and popular I like rock. Everybody likes rock Leonardo DiCaprio would not star in the tooth fairy. He's in revenue he's in wolf Wall Street. He's in departed. He's in blood diamond we quote, those movies through the years later to have lasting influence, those are two different paths. The rocks going to get popular and make money Leonardo DiCaprio will be quoted matters not a disposable career. You see this Intech all the time. Apps apps apps. Make people rich they're mostly timewasters almost no app matters throw their timewasters, angry birds made somebody rich Uber FaceTime, Google maps change the world, which path do you want Wilt Chamberlain holds all those stat records more famous. Hundred points. Bill. Russell. His career matters more. Do you know what the NBA finals MVP award is called? It's not called the wilt award. It's called the Bill. Russell award didn't score. Like wilt didn't rebound like Wilton didn't have the assist and have all the records. Disposable or long lasting. Westbrook. And harden, it's not ironic are chasing Wiltz records. Not Russell's what do you want to be famous and popular or quoted remembered critically acclaimed, and I'm not a huge believer in critical acclaim, but in Hollywood movies, it matters Oscars or they do. So I I look at a lot of this stuff with harden in Westbrook, and you can choose either harden keep me in the game blowout loss. Win wanna get that record? Lebron James is chasing something greater than player of the month. Couldn't you argue though that we need both. None really. I mean, you don't wanna just unplug sometimes and watch tooth fairy. Never. Does need a light movie every once in a while while the light movies, a hangover's hysterically funny? I'm not saying I don't like comedies. There's never been a point in my life. I thought you know, what I want? I want to spend seventy bucks on popcorn tickets and watch tooth fairy revenue was the level of every movie I'd go to the movies more. The problem is half the movie stink. Now, I just stay home. And wait for vice to come out on you know, on at home, and I'll watch it my finger. We go to the movies a lot. But I mean, I think that you need balance and everything so you have the Russell westbrooks stats and then make it exciting during the regular season. And then you appreciate the guys like MJ and LeBron who win the championships in a different category. I just think everything can be the same and one one. It depends on what you're motivated. But I think in sports it's about winning. I agree with this you, and I have gone back and forth on this a lot. I prefer championships MJ. Even championships. It's not just you prefer team you prefer. We over me. Because sports is about a collaboration a community a unit you're building together a momentum. Right. I don't think basketball's better with Russell Westbrook shooting twenty eight times and shooting forty percent. I think the Westbrook now who's this tribute or still can't shoot Oklahoma city's better the games better. It's a better example. Like, I think Westbrook's game now is about winning and he still can't use his plus minus is the fourth best on his own team. Right. I think like even with will and Bill Russell when you use as examples when we look at Wilt Chamberlain. We talk about his career in a fun way. You know, he's still someone who contributed to the game. He still put up incredible numbers. You just put Bill different category winning category. Listen, I got I liked the rock. The raucous. James harden was I would watch him play like to your point. If harden was in town tonight. I go on. I just think that there needs. There's always a sports is entertainment. Right. There's always this'll be a balance and everything. But I don't really think that I think the NBA media tends to fall in love with the less relevant stuff and not pay attention to the more relevant stuff. There's too much fan. Boy. Yeah. We know. I don't think we do a show. I think our show is the wet blanket side, we try to balance things out. But of course, everyone gets excited and attracted to the new funding interesting thing, and that tends to be at the patriots in the warriors like winning gets boring. Because it's consistent. You know? I went yesterday. I got a physical physical yesterday. This is just a minute of wasted time. But I have to say about this. So I go to get a physical, and you know, it's just not that much fun. They're poking and prodding and stuff, and you know, whatever. And then I get my blood test at the end, and and so I just closed my fist, and I turn away. I don't mind giving blood give it three or four times a year. I don't wanna watch it. And I'm sitting there talking to lay blah, blah, blah. And then I turned over to the right is like six vials of blood over there. One of my vampire, what's happening to me. See guy you six vials. I'm exhausted today. I mean, not be able to do the third hour who gives orders that blood going? I don't I don't know. Where's all that blood going places in labs and make sure that you know, you're you're good comedy. How much do you need? I that's what I don't understand. Don't. They just use like one little draw draw on the input one drop in a slide. You literally no my levels of rival Flavin. You know, my I mean, you know, everything about me six vials a blind. It does seem excessive the amount of blood that they need for for one little seems like a lot. Yeah. Coming up on like scientists and doctors right now, I think we pick the right professional. Bill Polian super smart guy in the af. And and by the way, I'm gonna ask them about Antonio Brown. What do you do if a guy's an unbelievable monster talent, but he is thirty one this year. And there is some baggage Bill Polian around the corner, be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. It's the Ron burgundy podcast. It's the Ron burgundy podcast. Guess what? I got up podcast, and you don't guess what? I got up podcast, and you don't Ron burgundy. New podcast. Join me Ron burgundy on the Ron burgundy podcast driven by safe auto, the only car insurance company I'll ever use it takes three minutes. And let's face it. That's about all the time any of us should spend with a car insurance company. Great to have you back in one of the smartest guys I've ever worked with in my life. He would talk. I would listen he was a six time NFL executive of the year Colt panther Bill GM. I mean, just built everywhere he went he just built up. Football rosters won the Super Bowl, obviously with the colts. And he's one of the co founders of the American lions football, the af which I watched this past weekend on CBS. And I said on the air, I think one or both of these new leagues are gonna work. I think it's a new time. I think there's a lot of different reasons from legalize sports gambling to these are not adversarial relationships with the NFL, I think there's a lot of football town, America. And I, and I frankly think you're going to have big a marketing brands CBS is going to be behind this league at a big company. And again, I don't think the NFL they're not there to spring football league. There's there's three three sports networks. We're all looking for content, folks. We're all dying. The only thing that works on television anymore. Live is live sports and some politics. So I think this stuff's gonna work. Do they both work? I don't know. But af got a year head start and Bill Polian. His joining me first of all Bill. I love talking to you. I love that you now are able to come on my show. What what was the Genesis the beginning when you said? Yourself. Listen, I'm gonna give this a run. I think this can work. What were the what were the reasons behind your move into this? Well, as you know, Colin. I've been talking about this for some time because I'm hearing from my friends in the NFL we need a developmental league. We needed developmental league. We need a place develop coaches and players and scouts and referees. And so on we need a place to train minorities. So they can get on the offensive side of the ball and become offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches and and get on a career path that leads to a head coaching job. So that's been out there for a long long time. And when I met with Charlie ever sold, and he laid the plan out for me, you know, he said to me, you think this can work. I said, yes, it can none of it's going to be perfect right out of the box. But the idea is sound the approaches sound and the key to the approach was that a we're not in competition with the NFL. In fact, we're trying to augment the NFL, and we're. Trying to reach football fans who really want to watch football and don't wanna go dark after the Super Bowl. And Secondly, we're going to run a league that is all football, the slogan, we've used it's a a mantra really that we're living by is real football for real football fans by real football people. We've got all NFL people doing this. We've got people with tons and tons of experience, we've got coaches who have NFL experience extensive NFL experience. And and so we're putting the game on the field that looks and feels and sounds like the NFL minus, of course, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and people like that. So Bill would the NFL because I think this league will be elevated more quickly if the quarterback play solid if I one of the games, I watched I'm like, oh, these guys are slinging it around their spinning around this is real football. So obviously good quarterback. Plays more fun to watch. It looks like real football. Is there a possibility at some point? You could go to the NFL and say listen you gotta third quarterback. Once you let us play in our league, you can watch him. It's like being on an L. It's it's it's certainly as good as your scout teams. What about the idea of using occasional third quarterbacks on NFL teams? Would they consider that? Do you think? Well, we've talked about it in general. They can't consider it because it's tied up with the union and the CBA because you can't send players down as you can in major league baseball in D leak is that an objective. Of course. It is. Absolutely. Yeah. And and there are many players, by the way who did. Not sign futures contracts at the end of the year on the practice squad and chose to come and play with us number one because it pays a little bit better. And number two because they'll be finished with us. But by the time, it's time to go back to OTA's but back to the quarterback issue. Absolutely. We'd love to have that. And that's a goal, but it's not achievable. Just yet. Meanwhile, we're developing our own guys who are throwing around pretty sure. No, no question. You know? It's funny about you know, we were talking yesterday. I said as a parent Bill my life in my my my parenting the same values in principles today that one hundred years ago love your kid be their forum. Don't worry about being cool. Do your homework. I always tell my kids when you get home from school go to bed early get up early little exercise little travel, blah, blah, blah, all the basic principles. But over time that gets more complicated with social media all these technologies. Well, the same thing in football. Is that football? It was still Tom Brady and Jared Goff who couldn't outrun a barstool in the Super Bowl. And I'm seeing all Mitch Trubisky running around and Lamar can run around and Cuyler Murray's five eight and a half. And part of me Bill is like time out time out. What am I supposed to make Keiler Murray now in your league home run, but the NFL these are billion dollar franchises? What do I make? What is the standard five eight and a half five nine? Is there a line? You would not be comfortable if you're at an NFL team with quarterback size. Sure. Yeah. Anytime you're below six feet. It's it's worrisome anytime, you're below nine and three quarters enhanced size. It's worrisome. So that person has to be an exception. So you sit there and you say to yourself, okay? Is this guy and exception? Does he have the arm strength? Does he have the athletic ability? Does he have the strength the girth in his body to withstand the kinds of blows? He's gonna take in the NFL all of that adds up to is a drew Brees. You know is he the guy in Seattle? That's the question that everyone ask because they're the exceptions Bill Parcells. I'm sure told you, and and I know told me if you if you start building with exceptions you'll end up with a team full of exceptions, then he's exactly right. But but there are exceptions. And as the game goes fifty three and a third yards wide, which is brand new. This is something that's new in in this century, really. And and almost since two thousand ten you. There's more room for smaller people. That's well, put the dimensions of change. So the dimensions of quarterbacks on the need. There has changed. One more NFL question Antonio Brown. Great talent Bill. You're one of the people that taught me that there you had to look at age you had to look at hand size. You had to look at the length of tackles arms compared to a guard, everything matters. And I look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. And people think Antonio Brown's a problem, and I see it as an opportunity Bill six round player ends up giving them eleven thousand yards. He's now thirty one flip him for a pick low sell high got a ton out of him. Steelers drafted position very well. Bill. They have for twenty years, they got juju Smith Schuster. I don't see it as a massive problem with Antonio Brown. You graft them in the six get a ton of production. He's thirty one move him d you as a GM, do you worry about the blowback that you lose his star? How will it work in the locker room? He how do you give me both sides the GM losing? Star and perhaps acquiring one. That's hard to deal with. Well, I'll give you three three scenarios one is keep him and deal with them. And and work with him because he is such a great player, and he probably has since he's absolutely elite. You know few more good seasons in them. That's number one. Number two. I if you deal, you dealing and number three, what is the blowback? Well, the blowback is in the media and the fans, but if you make a wise choice, then you'll you'll be okay in the long run in the short run, you'll you'll have indigestion and the headaches as the GM, but in the long run it'll prove to be successful. If you've made the right choice. Did you ever struggle with moving a player if if did you ever worry about blowback every your three stops? No, not really not your personality. It's not my personality. That's exactly right. I wanna go back. I wanna go back to the af. So there's gonna be another league in the year. The XFL is that competition is it friendly. How do you view that? Because I think one of these leagues is gonna work. I think it's possible both work, frankly, I think the appetites fairly insatiable in America football. But how are you going to look because you're not competing with the NFL? But do you see the XFL as one of your lives? One of you died. How do you view a new league? Well, number one, we're in business. The XFL is is talking, you know. You know, there's no football players on the field. There are no football players signed. So there's nothing that we can look at and say, this is the X, or why was he more importantly the thing? We have to do is get the best product we can on the field week to week in the stadium on television. And let the chips fall where they may the best thing we can do to help our brand is to grow it as quickly and as as aesthetically pleasing Lee as we can that's that's the answer in the end don't worry about as Tony gender used to say do what we do. Don't worry about anybody else. Finally, Bill Polian. Joining us former cult panther Bill GM, the af the American lions football. What do you make of what you watched in that Super Bowl? What do you make of this dynasty? It doesn't even make sense right Bill. It's just doesn't work that way. You don't have twenty years of greatness. What do you make? If I if I if nobody ever if a novice came up and said Bill Polian. Explain what we're seeing with the patriots. How do you explain it? Well, there's two parts to it. The first is getting there, and that you know, you have to be a little bit lucky. You have to play in a division that's down which they do. You know, you have to be in a situation where the the ball bounces your way, which it has in the last who championship games, that's one thing. Now when you get there if I picked one coach, and I've been around coach Shula and coach Levy and coach Walsh. And you know, all of the great ones if I had to pick one coach. Who had two weeks to prepare? It ain't close. It's Bill Belichick by a wide margin. So when you get there forget about it. Is he has two weeks to prepare? It's over man. You better you better have four weeks to prepare. There is nobody better at dissecting and opponent's weaknesses negating, their their straights. Disguising his weaknesses and managing a game. In a way that puts you at a disadvantage than Bill Belichick no-one no-one in the game today and probably less than a handful in history. So that's your answer. It's really really is amazing. It is fascinating. You know? He had a unique childhood experiences. Dad was on the forefront of scouting. So he was around football and his mom's spoke seven languages. So there's an academic intensity to bills life. Sean McVay got some of that as well. If you look at his childhood, he does, of course. So I I think sometimes it's like the Malcolm glad well ten thousand hour rule. You know, Wayne Gretzky was just better early and more committed early and. Sometimes it's a break from the parenting to the environment. But I I agree with you. I Bella check. I'm I'm fascinated by his intellect by how he sees the world. And you know, the underrated part of that stuff Bill. He's had the same running back. Coach Dante, scar Nekia mcdaniels there in a more mobile society. Where all these coaches are moving around. He's got about four guys he can lean on. And I think that's a big factor. And all this that is a huge factor. That is a huge factor. That's exactly right. He can lose any number of guys on defense the guys on offense. But you mentioned they're hard to replace Bill Polian. Af congrats good luck. I think it's gonna work and we'll talk soon. Okay, buddy. Thank you Bill Polian. Just a bunch of stuff there on a football stuff. Joy Tanner with the news. Turn on the news. This is the heard line news. So as we just mentioned the patriots beat the Rams and suppo fifty three to give Tom Brady his sixth ring. I lost count. How many snakes? Any NFL player? The only reason that bothers me is because they they're now tied with the Steelers incredibly disappointing season as we know, but that hasn't stopped him from looking towards the future. Newsday. The patriots posted a picture of Brady from his Super Bowl parade where he puts up the six finger. Represent six titles, and then he commented on the photo with two emojis that hold up seven fingers. This is the coolest sports picture. I'm not joking. If that was a if that was that's art Tom Brady holding up six fingers. That is our seriously did Picasso do that Matisse. I mean that is the thing about it is I really I I not doubting Tom Brady I pick the Rams to win the Super Bowl. But that's just more because I just wanted them to win the Super Bowl I stopped downing doubting Tom Brady after that falcons comeback and also just it's no life. It's kind of life to just sit there and root against the patriarch. I've done it for many years, it's exhausting. It's really pointless when it's over the lettuce. No. And then we can we can go about they'd be they'd become apple they occasionally have a bad product than an hour later stocks back once in a while they take away the headphone, Jack. And you're like, why wouldn't you? Why would you why would you do that? But there will be right back on track. All right. So the Lakers lost to the hawks won seventeen thirteen tonight. And we'll answer the also break under five hundred they are currently tenth place in the west and two and a half games behind the kings for the eighth and final playoff spot after the loss. Lebron was asked if he's worried about the Lakers missing the playoffs. Here was his response to you. That's when you worry about it. No. That was a little glib for me. That was a little non believable for me. This is. This. Well, this'll be the latest into the season the Broncos fallen below five hundred since the Cavs finished fifth thirty five and forty seven in his rookie year. Wow. Where did you dig that one up from they haven't been well, that's that's been everywhere. Like, this is basically the worst seeing that he's played with since you know, as far as wins. Go. Look at this video. This is bad for our radio audience on the solve the hawks are wearing blue uniforms. The courts got red all over it and has Mattiello. That is a that is honestly like a LSD dry head trip on there. Baskets too. There's only twenty five games left in the season. And I it's not looking real great for them in the Western Conference. This he missed the playoffs. His first two seasons in the league. Any miss the Eastern Conference finals, no eight in two thousand ten this is the Western Conference standings right now. I gotta say I did not think going into this year that there were any real expectations on the bron- as far as him making the finals or even making the Western Conference finals. But but I will say if they missed the playoffs that's bad. Or if they get wiped in the first round of the playoffs. It's not good. Here's the thing. He's played his entire career in the Eastern Conference. So the narrative is going to be whether we like it or not there's going to be some people saying, well, he didn't have all that success as soon as he came to the west what happens not going to be a lot of excuses in the situation. So even though there were a lot of expectations. That's not going to be a good look for him. So while he saying he's not gonna worry about it until it happens. I'm pretty sure that is on the back burner. Finally, the cardinals and new head coach cliff Kingsbury have the first pick in the two thousand nine hundred NFL drafts and Kyla Murray decided to to pursue a career in the NFL has been a lot of speculation that Kingsbury we want to draft Murray and move on from Josh Rosen who is last year's first round pick for the cardinals however on Tuesday Kingsbury clarified that he is committed to their second year quarterback our feelings towards Josh heaven, waned or change anything. I get we with first pick. And so there's going to be a million scenarios over the next three months. They're going to come out. But no Josh's guy person. Well, first of all he's implementing an offense. Would you wanna do it again with marina like you? It's hard enough to be a rookie head coach. How'd you like to get the job for for three and a half months? You worry about one offense. And then the team goes out and draft a quarterback put another offense. It's hard enough to be a rookie coach in that division. Right. And also, I just I don't think that Kyla Murray is a number one overall draft pick. I mean, obviously, they could make some trades and move down. And and maybe feel like he he'll still be there. But you need a lot of pieces. If you're the cardinals and Josh Rosen to me is not something to panic about. They had the twenty according to the NFL twenty eighth ranks offense and the circuit thirty-second rang offer and support the pro football this offensive line office of line was terrorist old unathletic. It's it is now become first or second worst still line in the league, right? Like they had a terrible offensive line. That's very hard for a rookie quarterback to navigate so get some pieces. Get some skill pieces around and Bill offense around him and giving opportunity everyone thought that Jared Goff. Was a bus. He just played in the Super Bowl. Good point. Maybe just give it maybe maybe just like one more year, by the way Jarod Goff defensive head coach. Then he got an offensive guy looked way better than that funny. How it work? Yes. It is my our like, not panic. You know, I just thought of something crazy. Why isn't Earl would Earl take the Laker job? That ask me that. Maybe I don't know what Earls going to do. Whatever Earl decides is best for his gonna take the UCLA. Joe? I have no answers for anything. I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I just came up right now. Will you put you put the list out with all the people replace in Luke earlier, and healed Osborne on there? I didn't see I didn't see Earl Watson's name on there. Hey, this is journalism on this show. This we probe for the right answers. Well, this is not the way sources live on the set with you. If Earl gets a job, and we don't break the story in not going to be a good day. If he gets UCLA, you didn't give him a certain. You didn't give him a certain talking to. No kidding gets the job at somebody else breaks it. That'd be no good joy with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by the heard line, by the way, we're going to give it Kris Haines. It's totally connected to all this stuff. It's Lakers have eight days off, my gut feeling is Luke Walton is gonna get wacked. I feel bad for him. Because I don't think he's the issue. But I think he's gonna get wacked. So Chris is gonna give us a real big time time appropriate answer to that. Be sure to catch live editions. The heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Pelicans game changing bike indoor cycling bike brings the energy allied classes to your home up to fourteen live right today. Learn more at peleton bike at one peleton dot com or visit your local showroom. It's one of my guys senior NBA insider for Yahoo sports covered. Lebron the Cavs at the Cleveland Plain Dealer former warrior reporter, he's all locked in. He's Chris Hanes. And he is joining us today. Chris all right now, we get to the all star break, right? We got eight days off for the Lakers. That would be a perfect. Time if so inclined to move off Luke Walton, and there's a lot of rumors. Do you think Luke Walton is coaching the Lakers in eight days? Chris. He years. I think he is. I think if you look at what all is trust bottle the last couple of weeks. I I don't think that you can place the blame primarily on Luke ball. There's no secret about it that what the trays, you know, the trade rumors that were going on with the Lakers roller peleton's how everything's just became so public. You just knew that it was going to take time for that locker room to heal fat. And so, you know, the the you add the fact in the Brian James out with different amount of thought. And I just don't think we're all those factors. I just don't think you can place the blame solely on Luke as a right now. So I do think that he will be given the chance to coach pass this break. You know, there's an interesting scenario building Jason Tatum said he's open or there's a report that he's open to becoming the face of the pelicans. Now, I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think they're going to let him go. Danny Ainge wouldn't wouldn't allow it? But Anthony Davis also said he didn't want to be a Celtic. And then Kyrie Irving hasn't committed to the franchise. What's going on in Boston? This felt like the. The standard of how to rebuild a franchise. Kyrie's hurt. Again. A rumor that Tatum would leave Anthony Davis. I was told last week by somebody I trust. Anthony Davis will not be a Celtics will not stay there. What's going on? What is happening to this perfect rebuild a year ago that it it seems wobbly today or if you look at that roster look at what they -ccomplish last year that was sexually of squat at the equivalent of a college team when it wasn't really a true star every kind of bought in brass Stephen, you know, he's one, you know, one of the best call us coaches. We had you know, during his tenure, and it he had a roster quip to go in there and orchestrate his plan of attack. Now, you add in Taibbi Irving who was stupid starred as league adding Gordon Hayward who was a star. And now you're trying to blend personnel. And that's where I think Brassey was has had the most problems this year is that we know exit. Does he's up there with anybody in the league. But now he has to manage personalities, and that's the that's the biggest biggest obstacle that coaches half the face, whenever they're you know, coaches some of the higher s lot players in this league is how to manage personality. Yeah. He hasn't done well in that regard. And that's where he has to overcome, you know, sooner or later, it's going to get is going to get to a point where you're going to have to challenge. Some of these guys you may have to get in the verbal confrontation with some of these guys. I don't think he's reached the point. We feels comfortable enough to do that. But when you're dealing with guys like that on that roster right now on top of the trade rumors being circulated to how fierce it would. That's just something that Brad has hasn't had to face NBA. And I think he's going through a learning curve, by the way, they're eight and two without. Kyrie Irving, they have a better winning percentage without kyri was hurt. Again. They average five more points a game without him. They shoot better from the field without him. They average three and a half more assists without him. He's a great offensive player. But I think to your point, you know, Stevens has run the Butler and the young Celtic offense. And when you get a star, you know, it's funny. Chris a great rebounder. Or a great defender always make everybody better. But a great scorer doesn't make every team better. I mean, Kevin Durant is a better player than Steph curry, but the warriors are much better without Kevin Durant than they are Steph. I just wonder if Kyrie Irving even fits with Brad Stevens style. And I think that's something. I think we still have to monitor. I I don't wanna go out there right now and say, you know, he doesn't make them better. But look, obviously there there's familiarity without him on the floor. They they get right back to doing what they were doing last year. I will say this at the end of a game. The last two minutes of the game. You do want somebody who could just go get a bucket. Yeah. And Kyle Kyrie's the best at that. But definitely right now, they're they're used to plan without kyri, and it's not such a such a big loss. But I I don't know as a right now if they're a better overall team we'll see him sideline. I I still think we still got, you know, some more time points figure that out. I think Paul George is my MVP Janas probably to close race with harden. Who would you give it to today? Man. I'm I'm I'm feeling Paul George. Why go I like I like what he's doing? Like, I was there in Vegas man when he had that catastrophic of answering. And you know, that that was tough to see him bounce back and bounce back in a way that he's playing at an all time great level right now about I've never I wouldn't I wouldn't have visited this at all especially playing along. Russell westbrook. I wouldn't have visited him having this type of surgery. So he's right there. I I don't know if he's number one, I probably got. I'm probably still got James probably number one. I think I moved poetry number two right now that they honest, but I I don't have. I don't have a beef at all you got number one. Hey, but both power to he's playing at all level that he's definitely in in the race. Well, he's also a two way player. Klay Thompson Colli Leonard, Paul George. There's a handful of guys that give it to you two ways by you know, about a minute left. I watched body language LeBron last night, not great seemed almost disengaged that times. If I said to you, I seven eight years in the league it was one hundred percent basketball. Then by the end of Miami. It was eighty percent basketball twenty percent business. What do you think it is in L A today? What's the balance? I still think I still think the majority is basketball collar, I think they came in with the expectations of obviously that this was not gonna be a year that they compete for championship. Now. What did they think that this is going to be a season that they participate might not make the playoffs? No, no this. That's that wasn't even a thought. So what they're going through right now, the bilingual's you could see everybody can see it, man. This is this is it's gonna take some time. You know there. There's some healing. And he's done in that locker. Yeah. But, you know, look, I ll LeBron's competitor. I if if he goes if this if this like the squat, and we we, you know, we we know as a rocket. There's just not a quick to go far. And if they don't make the playoffs, man. I I just particular I predict that they will be some some awfully loud noise over lakeland over the Austin like they have to be some changes made there. There will be some more immense pressure placed upon that franchise. So you know, LeBron's focus on basketball, but you know, not making the playoffs. You know, we think we've seen a lot of my LeBron James team as far as pressure and expectations. Boy, they don't make the playoffs that we stand back yet. Senior NBA insider Yahoo sports Chris. Hanes good talking to you based call. This Valentine's Day, dips the chocolate and roses gift of comfort. Tommy, John, Tommy, John dot com code her. Twenty percent off your first order. Tommy, John dot com, code H, E R D that would be crazy. Lebron doesn't make the playoffs to put that graphic up. I just want to see it for our TV. And I'll say it on radio of where the Lakers are right now. Sacramento is really a fascinating team. I don't know if they have the legs at the end. But Darren FOX Marvin Bagley interesting interesting team play really fun to watch. They play a lot of people are paying attention to them. They play really fast. I do think LeBron will figure out a way to get into the postseason. That is my guest. Final hour is coming out. We've been loaded today. Chris Bosh Bill Polian. Chris Haines what a show so far our three in wet and dreary, Los Angeles. Please don't move here. It's third. One more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live. Or on demand. Whenever you like. This is the heard our three wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening. We're live in Los Angeles. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio also on Sirius XM channel eighty three. Yeah. It's so funny. Bryce Harper that baseball thing Bryce Harper's. Like, hey, I'm not gonna take any short-term deals. Baseball's. The craziest fort whenever you can't get signed. It's collusion, Colin Kaepernick collusion, Bryce Harper. All these baseball guys collusion. No, nobody wants to sign a baseball player to attend your contract. That's not collusion. Is that baseball figured out? These are horrible contracts for the team in your into four years. And you're like, oh my God. This is an awful deal slightly different situation. Well, yeah. But even camper Nick is. Yeah. I can't get signed yet. That's because the world's media for a backup quarterback would invalid up the team. Like, that's not what anybody wants from a back like Tim tebow, by the way, I told somebody this the other day, Tim tebow won seven straight games. NFL? Nobody wanted to touch him. Was it gets Tim couldn't play in the NFL? Like, Johnny Manziel complaied. Nobody wants the backup to be a superstar like nobody want like you should be drew Stanton. I can't even recognize you at a mall you put a cap on. It can't recognize you all these baseball guys. It's collusion. You don't wanna pay too. Oh, you don't wanna pay money. When is baseball been shy about paying baseball players money? Baseball's overpaid a million guys they rarely get a deal. No baseball finally said, we don't wanna pay eight nine ten year contract. Justin, Burland or the other day was on the internet. He's like I mean just start with ten years. This is ridiculous. And I'm thinking your wife's a model. Would you sign a model to attend your deal which assigned a coach to a tenured what business which sign anybody do attend your deal? Like, the answer is always if I mean. Yeah. Outside of the raiders who would do that. But it's always the answer. If you won't sign me. It's there's a read it wasn't collusion against him. Tibo? He was too popular and polarizing to be on your roster as a backup. He don't want. The meet them know, here's what we know about the NFL. They don't like noise. They don't like noise. Tibo literally wanna play off game could not get work. Nobody would touch him. Johnny Manziel can still play. Nobody's interested people want the backup to be like, you know. The kid. I think the kid that really good backup is the kid. Nick foles doesn't talk Nick foles when the Super Bowl. He didn't talk. Jacoby. Reset indianapolis. Big strong can win you games. I've never heard of quoted I've never heard him quoted people don't even like they're starting quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo to be hanging out at a restaurant in Hollywood with an adult film star. Like, it doesn't even matter that was dinner like teams freak out about all that stuff. These baseball guys. Yeah. It's like, it's not collusion. Robinson connote tenure contract and hour and a half in the Mariners like this was not good twins like a huge deal with that our Johm hour an hour and a half intimate. This is we can't afford any players, Joey Votto. Josh Hamilton, Albert pools name one that worked named one. Then it's not collusion. Like the now. Maybe camp Rennick, it'll be proven to be collusion. Maybe it is. Maybe there's a string of emails that will get the NFL. I don't know. I don't have that insight. But I just I hear it constantly. It's collusion. It's Tim Tibo. Couldn't get a job Manziel. Can't Bryce Harper. Bryce Harper said today, I'm not signing the deal. Yeah. I mean, Bryce Harper. He was offered a massive deal. And he said, no, which I thought was it was like three hundred million dollars. You know, he's complaining and he's an I love Bryce Harper. But the answer is always I got something against me. If you really look at the reasons why people who are talented don't sign. There's usually a reason they're asking for too much is often it they're unrealistic. They're getting a little older Odell Beckham, by the way was on the market was there collusion against Odell Beckham in the NFL. He was on the market. There was no takers was that collusion. No. He proposed to a kicking net. He gets hurt a lot. He's really expensive. But nobody's quite sure. He's a great teammate. That's why Beckham had no takers. I just saw story today that Jay Glazer thinks ode L Beckham's gonna get traded. Antonio Brown right now. Great player. Why? Why is he what was the league against end Tonio, bro? No. There's a reason Antonio Brown is talented. But man, he is he is a lot of work. And he's getting me thirty one years old again, I'm not trying to bunch them all together. But whenever I hear so many can't get a job everybody races to Twitter and social media and the world's against me. And it's this, and it's that, and it's this. There's almost always a reason you can't get work. I've been in this business for thirty years joy price. Fifteen I don't wanna age anybody. But fifteen years in this business is that fair as more like ten could if I said to you. If I said, you names super talented people that have struggled getting great jobs. I can think of five or six that I've worked with my career that I'm like, oh, they're really talented. But they're a pain in the you know, what? And there are different pains. Some are inappropriate. Some are a nutty found that super towns if people more often than not our pains, not only rare to find someone who is super talented who is also functional and reliable in profession. That's why I'm so fun to work with. So you get the joy of that. But the point is this is not an anti capper knicker anti Bryce Harper thing. There is generally always a reason it did not help capture Knicks caused that his girlfriend took a shot at an NFL owner and said something that was wildly explosive. And he wore socks and that turn off people, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and Bryce Harper, dude. Look at baseball right now, defensive shifts. So baseball has got this thing going on right now where there you're allowed to move defensive players a softball league. All over the field. What happened to Bryce Harper's average That's why nobody wants to sign power hitters like the guy's hitting Bryce Harper finish last year hitting like two thirty to thirty eight almost spend three hundred million on thirty eight you know, so and now everybody in baseball, it's home runner. It's walked so he's not going to be a base runner gonna strike out a lot. He's not a great defensive player defensive shifts have knocked down his average my point is you can complain about everything in complain about this quarterback that quarterback this guy that guy that wide receiver this baseball player. Manny machado. Manny Machado is a great one. Manny Machado plays one hundred six sixty games a year hundred fifty eight he gives you thirty seven rips in one hundred nine RBI every year guy plays guy plays every game. But he's not signed is that collusion. No. It's because you kind of a pain in the you know, what he's not a real locker room guy. He didn't like to run him. He'll say, I'm not a real hustle guy. That's not great. Right. So a lot of people are turned off. They watched the dodgers in the World Series. They see him not run out of ball short. And everybody's like now, I think Manny Machado, I'd pay whatever it cost for Manny Machado hundred and fifty five games a year, forty Knox hundred nine RBI. But there's a reason he's not signed. It's not maple leaf. I mean, there's a reason behind I worked in this business again a long time. There are a lot of talented people that do not get the jobs and my dad used to say this men manage money better than themselves. That's why prison and Wall Street or full of men we manage money, really. Well, we don't manage ourselves. Very well. And I mean, Bryce Harper got offered three hundred million and turn it down. That's on Bryce Harper. Okay. That is pigs. Get fat hogs get slaughtered. That's on Bryce Harper. And I love him Vegas kid met him met him, dad. Great kid. Great story. Rooting for hope. He's a Padre. That'd be it. May hope he's a dodger. Hope I can go watch him. But there's always a reason for stuff. I good luck. You know there. I don't know the history of collusion cases. Maybe there's a bunch of them. But I've heard that word you so many times in my life for for for sports non-sport. And I don't remember the person claiming it winning a lot of the case. Well, I don't I have no doubt just knowing how human beings communicate that GM's in front offices don't have relationships and don't look out for each other and don't necessarily consider that to be co luge in. I mean, we all work in different businesses, and we know people at different places, and you know, if you wanna find something out of what's going on over here house contracts working over there. Like there's in from the the world is run by UN information. Right. So if it has become a thing where ten year contracts in major league baseball, which I think for the most part, everyone agrees are not ideal for teams because, you know, people age things happen, and those contracts are guaranteed in our massive. So maybe that is logical. But I I don't I don't necessarily doubt that there aren't communications in every sport. Just like there are in every business that don't somehow move and change. The course how this work. There's. No question, by the way, most people in our business and in sports have the same. Six agents information is traded on the phone constantly, very valuable commodity. It doesn't mean it's an anthem chorus or in unison, but you know, in our business, I can name you can throw out names, and I can go bad guy. Good guy team player jerk. You could just tell me a name, and I'll tell you because everybody's agents the same agent, and it's the same in those. So those kind of when you say the word collusion is that collusion or just is it like everybody getting in a room together? And there's a mallet like we have decided this is what it's going to be. No, I don't think it's that cut and dry. But I do think that there are conversations that happened amongst people of power. Yeah. That creates and steer the course of other people's careers and lives, and and leaves. Yeah. Well, the NFL's a funny league about that. Because the NFL they just don't like noise. So Seattle Pete Carroll told you I love knows. And he's like, yeah. I don't love it so much and he traded it all out of town and they made the playoffs. Pittsburgh Steelers this year noisiest team. Elite pro bowlers everywhere the Lamar Jackson knocked him out of the playoffs. We don't love noise. The noise thing NFL doesn't like noise. They don't like it. They don't. They don't want Kim Tibo won six straight games and playoff games. You can win. It wasn't my quarterback. You could win with Tim tebow. And by the way, pack your stadium. Nobody was interested. Nobody was interested. So. I baseball. I just got off on a tangent. That's called a tangent right there. I just I whenever I hear. I guess it's it's my blowback as somebody who reads the business section sometimes before the sports section. I just hear words thrown out all the it's collusion. And then like boy that's hard to prove that that is hard to prove for baseball guys quarterbacks at that's what is like. Not be wrong. But they also may why he write that and your deals are not a good idea. I mean ask you this. Don't the dodgers wanna beat the cubs. Right. Right. Right. Don't don't the Yankees want to beat the Red Sox? So the bottom line is if there's a player that can win games, I'm going to buy him. But good Lord. We have we've seen the dodger. We've seen the Yankees. Go by Red Sox and the Red Sox wanna buy Yankees, you'll do business all the time. If you think people look at Bryce Harper's contract and say three hundred million dollars holy with with defensive shifts in baseball. But you know, if the Padres went out and spent that you can just kiss still carry four pitchers into the season who will they afford. There's a reason for everything there's a reason for everything I gotta get we got by seller hold. I have my staff in an amazing job today. They are you know, how like some people will say I'm committed to think of anybody watching right now are listening in your family. Let's say a family, I want you to go sixth. Cousin? You know? Some people say I am committed. And you're like, well, how many hours a week do you work forty eight? And you're like I worked fifty eight and I'm guilty. What is commitment because I just read a story where rob Pelinka the Lakers compared Tom Brady and LeBron and I'm like, I'm gonna give you some information is LeBron committed as you think he is. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app cap. You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention has advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. We're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. 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You're gonna have to go through Kansas City. Now. That's what's going to happen in the AFC. You got New England Foxborough Kansas City and Denver you want a big strong guy a running game in Denver and Vic Fangio. So that that that's the move. I think I think Denver's better are they wildly better markedly. They're better. I think they're better team next year with flacco the Fangio and Dale was figure out ways they've had ten different guys rougher yards. Many of those on Mike Shanahan some not. So I think. There are better. And I think Baltimore said, you know, we're gonna go with the Lamar Jackson thing. I think they're going to go out and get lazy in bell. And really go all in on being a power running team, which I don't think it's a bad idea at all Flavian bell. I think would be first of all great running back great receiver as a running back. Lamar Jackson dump off Lamar Jackson kind of interesting to me. So I think that I think it all works out. I think both teams one I was telling joy this earlier. Nothing's worse than what an NFL franchise. It has a quarterback that don't believe in like Jacksonville. Nobody in that room believes in Blake Bortles Cincinnati there over Andy Dalton like Denver. I think today is really happy Denver's like you know, what we can win big here. When you don't feel like you have the guy feel like you have to win in spite of him. Yeah. That's no fun. Like he's going to do what he does. And you have to be better in every other area. That's why Jacksonville made it as far as they did when their defense was excelling. But eventually you're gonna come back to your level because he's not the guy. So I thought this was interesting rob Pelinka was quoted this week. He does look like, rob. Blow for a radio audience. You'll have to trust me. He said, you know, my hope is that we're on the outside in the play offs with LeBron but we get to the play offs. And with a skill guys. We've added much like Tom Brady one of the all-time breaks. Lebron kind of takes the helm for his team and make some noise any kind of compared the two they they have some similarities there mogul nece. But you know, here's the thing when LeBron came to Los Angeles. There are a lot of people that said business mover basketball move, and I talked to people in inside of LeBron's camp. And they were like, listen, it's basketball. If the basketball is no good, the business doesn't work. I agree with maverick Carter told me, and of course, it's basketball. But I'm just going to list the projects LeBron is involved in cincy arrived in Los Angeles. And Rimmer Tom Brady did a documentary one. And while he was doing it. He was mostly at home with his family Tom Brady, it's winning football family. And then when he goes to football he gets back to his family, and it was a family. He's doing football at home. So you guys have the list of projects. It's unbelievable. The list of projects since arriving in Los Angeles million dollar miles Space Jam to best shot warriors of liberty city. He's often the executive producer of these hoops brotherly love, I m moral BJ Madame CJ. Walker lean on me the shop. I've seen that shut up and dribble. What's my name? Mohammed Ali Friday, the thirteenth house party more than athlete. Student athlete top boy. White, dave. And that's the last one. Maybe that was so bad. They just quit. Yeah. Friday thirteenth by way. He's executive producer on some. He's doing something for some of these rightly at least reading scripts mine takeaways. I'm looking at right now, this is just in the last eight months. Tom Brady makes it very easy for his organization. He doesn't demand coaches. He doesn't demand teammates. He is. Absolutely. Even to a pay cut willing to commit to winning. Lebron's burdened by a lot of stuff. He wants MAC salary. He dabbled in politics. He's doing multiple projects. He's creating a global brand Brady doesn't care about it. The NBA is a more global sport than football. Football's a domestic sport Tom Brady doesn't give a rip about Duesseldorf. He doesn't care. Lebron James does care about outside our borders abroad. And now, this has made LeBron very powerful and very rich and very global. And hill resonate forever. But don't tell me he always makes it easy to win. Lebron wants max money. Tom doesn't. Lebron wants though, right coach Tom doesn't argue. Lebron wants his guys Brady takes what you give him and wins. Like, I don't think LeBron makes it as easy as Tom. Now. I said this yesterday in a sport basketball where dynasties are commonplace. I believe LeBron's gonna play for twenty years in the NBA's at fifteen and he's going to have three titles. I think he's gonna win none or one in Los Angeles. In a sport that really isn't known for twenty year. Dynasties Brady's on his going for a seventh Super Bowl win win. It's harder to win and football. You get hurt. Careers end players careers. Don't last long Ray Allen could have played Ray Allen John Stockton could've played longer. And they they're a decade and half. Football's hard dynasties are short their compact Joe Montana. You get hurt. You can't keep players around you salary caps. Coaches basketball's built. So LeBron is easily the best player in the last ten years in the league. And you'll you'll be able to make an argument for fifteen years. He was the greatest player when it's all said and done I think he's gonna end up with three titles because some people think they're committed Brady is fully absolutely from personnel to money to commitment to distractions one hundred percent committed LeBron says he's committed, but there's a lot of things where he makes it tough. He wants his coat his players his respect his money. And so that's why. And maybe it's just a. Culture basketball, which is more about the individual NFL tends to be more about the team. But I don't think the bron- makes it always really easy. Like if if LeBron wanted to make it easy with a billion dollar Nike contract. He would say pay me eight million a year. What do I care? I got a six hundred million dollar net worth. What do I give a rip? I sold beats made thirty million that makes up I got a billion dollars. If you're what is committed. I guess is what I'm asking. Kirk cousins is not committed to winning Kirk cousins is committed to building his Bank account because Kirk cousins is not worth twenty eight million. And he knows it. Kirk cousins is not committed to winning. He's committed to getting rich. Kirk cousins is smart Kirk cousins reads, the paper, Kirk cousins know that if you make twenty eight million dollars with his level of competency, you're not winning Super Bowls. So how committed are you? These are salary cap leagues. I don't care about baseball guy. Baseball guy, can take whatever the owner will pay whatever, you know, Real Madrid. Whatever that guy will pay owns that team, El Pais. It's not the way it works in the NBA. It's not the way it works in the NFL. It's not the way it works in hockey. So if you're going to talk about commitment commitment is also am I willing is a guy were seven hundred million Brady is LeBron is are you committed truly committed to getting rid of the vanity and the ego and. L this respect and all that. Are you really totally committed because a lot of people say they're committed. I work forty eight hours a week. That's not committed. That's CEO's in America. I just read this about a month ago. Wake up on average at four thirty in the morning. You complain about six forty five. You're not committed to running a fortune five hundred company. That's the commitment. It takes it. You can't be there for every birthday every piano recital. Every little league game four thirty in the morning up. Go come on four forty five out of the house get to work. So it's not the lebrons. Not great. But I think Brady makes it a lot easier on his team, less stress. Less demands coach he doesn't demand assistance even the quarterback coach us hire. Who you hire coordinator hire? Who you hire we all know? Ballot Tech's great. But he never he never demands are running back coach quarterback coach oh line didn't demand that stuff stays out of that stuff. Joy in the news. No. This is the headline news last night. Number two do pulled off an incredible win against sixteen Louisville. They trailed by twenty points with nine minutes and fifty four seconds to go in second half rally real rallied to a seventy one sixty nine wins. I n Williamson led the blue devils point seven points and twelve rebounds cameras had sixteen of his twenty two points after halftime, much bigger. Yes. He is. He is impressive. Here is I n- Williamson after the historic comeback. What were some of the things that coach K was talking to you about in the huddles to keep you believing? You said he don't coach losers. Coach winters. You say go out there play hard. He can coach to away. Just keep it. Simple. RJ barrett. I'll thirteen points, seven rebounds and four sist-. I think those three are going to end up being the first three picks in the NBA drafts. They are I in the ACC in for his size joy. He's really quick quick. I mean, no, I would say doesn't have much of a jumper, and that will matter, but he looked at his touch and his size and his quickness only need that in the NBA for sure I think he's he's he's impressive to watch. And he's he's fun. As highlights are good. I think that the things that he needs to work on it translate is the NBA or all skill related, which you know, if you you can develop and work on but look at that Bill look at that. He's got a boy, I'll tell you what that's not just big body. He's got control of that big body. He's getting a number one. I I still like our though really you take him number one. No one's gonna pass Zion Williams go. No one's going to do it. But I think I do think you ever gets very happy with her decision. Here's the thing. If you're an owner, you take science. Yes, he's going to be a merchandise. I mean, there's I don't remember a college player. I in fact, if we did a trip I have no idea the last time, I'm like oh college player. I gotta watch Duke tonight. I'm not even watching Duke for Duke. I'm watching Duke for something. Well, I think there's your answer right there. He's gotten down to one name. I wouldn't say Zion. And everyone knows that your docking. Wiggins was good at Kansas at in rush to my TV to watch Andrew Wiggins. He was good. I'm trying to think Anthony Davis was good at Kentucky. Didn't rush to my TV? Carmelo Anthony was really good it Syracuse. But again, and I live I don't think I rushed to my TV. This kid is must see television. He is. So the ravens are trading. Joe flacco to the Broncos that was we were just discussing a few minutes ago. That means some are Jackson is the future. So they have agreed in principle to trade him trades can be made official until the new year which starts March eighteenth, obviously. But there's also now a report from Ian Rapoport that the Broncos will shot case keenum is guaranteed seven million in two thousand nineteen and if they can't it's either a massive pay cut or failed us release, and he would be a tough backup in the league. And actually if you look over the last three seasons, Joe flacco in case keenum and forty one starts flakowitz fifty touchdowns. The case keenum's forty nine thousand four hundred options the case Kino's, thirty three. Their completion rate is a percentage exactly same six three point eight percents and their quarterback rating is about the same as well. And I think the same guy the only differences Joe flacco has a Super Bowl in his show that he can play at an elite level in case keenum as not. Yeah. And and I I don't think I think case keenum actually throws a little bit better ball, but I will say this. Denver November December January you're going to have to go through Kansas City, December January Foxborough and Pittsburgh case keenum's a small quarterback who had his greatest success inside a dome. Kate. Flacco is built to he played in crappy. Baltimore weather, his division was on the road. And since he on the road in Cleveland on their own Pittsburgh. Since he just got traded to a new team for a younger guy who has completely different style. And he does so Bruno's that's kind of how Jack Joe flacco is when he has he he plays better. So we'll see what happens there. So finally Antonio Brown has requested a new sealers after nine seasons with the team yesterday. He tweeted goodbye to Pittsburgh fans and expressed his desire for a fresh start today. He followed up with another tweets saying don't be tolerated be celebrated. Oh boy. He's doubling down on that. That's pretty good line though, that it is he's leaving a little bread time. So what how? Hey, what's going on there? According to reports the Steelers may have some problems getting a first round pick in return for him a second round pick possible. Well, he's arguably the number one receiver in the league second round pick last in this league for like seven years, by the way, got seventy four touchdowns out and got a lot out of him. I I don't I don't think the Steelers are better without in Tonio Brown, and they're not better without Levy unbale. Now, levian bell hurt nothing for him. I don't I get that. They have to move on from him. Like, this relationship is not Mendel. But to me the issue is not in Tonio Brown, and the issue is not Levy on bowel. And then she was not Ben Rothlisberger blaming other people. The issue is the Steelers have lost their culture. So yes in Tony around may move on and let him Bellamy move on. And meta talking to has been Roxburgh about the at the end of the day. You still have the same problem that you had before? And he still the same problem now, whether they move on to fix the culture there is just going to bring in a new guy and cycles just on repeat itself. Isn't it? Funny though like. If I want to tell you twenty years ago, the Pittsburgh Steelers would be the circus of the NFL be like, no notes, the Rooney family. This is all business. I mean, seriously, it you would not believe it in thirty years ago. If you'd have said his team, Pittsburgh, hiccup crazy players Facebook. You'll be like well, first of all you just set thirty years ago. What's facebook? But you would have never guessed. They would be the crazy town of the leak the underachiever. They were always the overachiever. That's what I'm saying. This is you move on from Antonio Brown traffic. That's fine. Levy on thousand going to be there anymore, but you still left with same issue that you have right now, which is what is the culture in Pittsburgh. That's neat. That needs to be fixing some of its banned some of its Tomlin in a lot of blame to go around. It's not all it's not all on Antonio Brown. Although he's doing his thing joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie, by the way that was historic. Days ago that Jason Tatum of the Celtic sounds opened becoming the face of the pelicans. Which is crazy. It doesn't make any sense. It would be a terrible move. Literally. He can look at Anthony Davis. Who's great and saying get me the hell outta here. You have an example in life look at it. Don't do it. So I don't think Danny Ainge would let him go. I think it's crazy for Jason Tatum. I understand wanting to be the man, but Boston's gonna pay him. And I absolutely believe Boston's gonna pay a max, and Jason Tatum is going to be you know, one or one a I think he's a great player had a couple of great moves recently on what was that Sixers game. We were watching highlights today. Here's why I think Jason Tatum. Becomes the man, and they pay him because I think there is a continuing trend with the Celtics that you can no longer deny. They're not better with Kyrie Irving last night. The Celtics beat the Sixers again. No, Kyrie Irving. If you look at the numbers this year with them without Kyrie Irving, the numbers don't lie. They score more. They shoot better. They pass more. And they win more percentage wise without Kyrie Irving. I'm not denying. He's not a great player with two minutes to go Nina shot. I'm not denying that. But in basketball, remember. A great rebound. Dennis Rodman made every team. He was on better. You gotta grab rebounds. He was the world's best a great defense. If player Joe Dumars on every team makes every team. He's on better. A great score. Carmelo Anthony does not make every team better. We have history of that scoring in the NBA today is great. If it's a byproduct of you passing their passing ball movement and spacing kyri is not a distributor kyri world is flat. Little flaky kyri gets hurt a lot Kyrie's as below average defender. I the numbers don't lie. Here you go up and down with Kyrie Irving last year. They were better they got Eastern Conference finals without him this year, they're better without him. Again. All great rebounder. And a great defender. Make every team better. Always not true with great scores. You know, the great example is Kevin Durant. Kevin durant? Doesn't play warriors. Don't miss a beat. Steph doesn't play warriors. Not the same team. Katie is a better player. Right. Katie's and more dominant player. Kobe Bryant could stop the ball at the end of his career, Carmelo Anthony. Kevin durant? Westbrook. Westbrook's great offensive productive dynamic score doesn't necessarily make everybody better. In fact, there are no winning streak because Westbrook shooting and scoring less. So this idea I don't buy that. Jason Tatum is gonna leave. This was reporter Tim McMahon telling Brian Windhorst this week that Jason Tatum would be okay. Leaving Boston on wind horse podcasts. It's gossip, but the gossip is Jason Tatum wouldn't mind if he's shipped to New Orleans and has a chance to be the face of a franchise somewhere because he's he's not going to get that opportunity in Boston at least not in the immediate future. I I don't nothing against this. Reporter they're gonna maxim. They're going to max him today. If as a Celtic fan if I told you kyri walked at the end of the season. I told you Jason Tatum walks you'd freak out. I'd freak if I was a Celtic fan. You told me Jason Tatum. Twelve months walks. I'm freaking out you tell me kyri walks. Got max deal available. I think there is now proof data tends to beautiful it doesn't necessarily make this coach this team this roster better. He's a great offensive player. But sometimes sent around watching all these great offensive players you stand around ball movement stops. He's not a ball movement guy. Coming up next the most impressive streak in the NBA. And nobody's talking about it. That's coming up in best for last be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. So it's pouring. I'm told again, I really don't feel comfortable with us complaining about the weather here in California. It's just it's really outrageous could be down to fifty eight degrees today. Get your free credit score card today. Even if you're not a discover customer include your FICO credit score. Learn more discover dot com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. It's weird people. Like, I know most people don't care that are listening. It's the wettest coldest winter in LA history. It rains non stop here. The weather is terrible here. I just don't. I'm I try to be mindful not complain except for it to other people that are here in California. I don't wanna complain constantly mother. And it's like twenty four right, right? And there's slush, and it's gray outside and live colony got eight inches of snow and then some sleet on top, right? Yeah. Yesterday. Yeah. So so the rain so what you're saying is when I complain that water dripped on me from palm tree at my house. It doesn't resume and I did not mention the weather. I I may have said like it's rained. She was like. My sister lives on the coast of Washington. Yeah. Isn't this? No, one has it's not even rain. It's just there's waves to hitting you all day. All right here, we go, John Goulet. It's time to put me on the spot for another addition of pop quiz quiz hotshot. Get ready to play weeds. Okay collin. I question with Joe flacco the Broncos are now a contenders in the AFC west be contenders for the Super Bowl or see somehow even less interesting than they were last. Now, the correct answer is a I think they're contenders in the AFC west. I agree with joy. I don't think there's a huge gap. Case keenum flacco. But there is a hey outdoors big guy running game. He's he's a ten and five playoff quarterback. He went toe to toe with Brady in Brady's prime more than once. So now, I do I think they're going to be Kansas City next year. I do not, but they do feel a little more formidable. No bet they were a little more formidable cold weather quarterback flacco than they did with case keenum second question Heisman winner Cuyler Murray should be. Hey, the number one pick in the draft be a first round pick or see five inches taller. I think he's a first round pick. I think in today's game. He's a NFL quarterback. Again. I said I'm not making Baker Mayfield my quarterback. I don't want the off field nonsense. He's not ideal. I think the kid at Ohio State. I like a lot Dwayne Haskins six three and a half to thirty. I liked the Wayne Haskins a lot by the way, Dwayne Haskins is not athletic can't run. He's the pocket, dude. This kid can run around. But I'll just say again these small quarterbacks Seneca Wallison, Pat, white Johnny Manziel. I know they're fun. And I do think there's times they can work, but I can't build around at number one. Pick means a number one pick means this is the. Twelve year starter in the NFL. That's what that means. That doesn't mean you can play if you told me today. Yeah. Kinda Murray thirteen years from now me running around. I don't believe that Dwayne Haskins. I believe that Bush number three the most impressive MBA streak is a Russell Westbrook's. Triple doubles be James Harden's, thirty point games or see both guys continuing to have zero shot at a title. I actually think see the funny answer. I do think. The most compelling story is that these are January February firework shows, and I do not think they work for ball central guards. I don't I've seen Westbrook. Look tired at the end of years. A little bronze gone to his, you know, seven eight straight finals, I've never seen the brought on a final and thought boy he looks gassed I thought hardened two years ago looked exhausted in the playoffs. Then he got Chris Paul passed a little more appear to have more energy last year. And then I think Russell Westbrook. Last two years has looked tired. Nobody's just reporting the story, which seems obvious. These January February explosions by guards hurt you at the end of the season. You are not quite equipped to go into a fourth playoff series a third playoffs. Here's question. Number four. The NBA all star game MVP will be a James harden. Be Paul George or see anyone who actually manages to watch the whole game. James harden? The all star game is made for James heart. First of all they don't play a ton of defense. In the regular season. The all star game is basically a skills competition with officials. So James harden, a win going away. And it'll be fun at price gore. Fifty. All right. Your final question. The coach of the Lakers should be. Hey, Luke, Walton be Mark Jackson C available to pick up. Lebron's dry-cleaning after five PM to come on. I think an Mark Jackson would be fine. But I like Mark Jackson. I think Luke Walton is not the problem. I don't think Luke Walton. I think he has a randomness to a substitution pattern. And I don't think he's, you know, I don't think he's Eric Spoelstra, but he's a young guy. So is he young coach? But I I don't think he injured LeBron's growing. I don't think he got Lonzo ball hurt. And I don't think he had the rumors in the newspapers that created a poisonous locker room. So I don't think this is on the Walton I do eight days is a long time in a big city with a lot of media and a coach. They lost two in Atlanta t last night that's nineteen hundred five hundred and they gave up almost seventy points in the first half. And Rondo is hurt in Kuzin has been out a little bit to the NFL. Like, Luke Walton got breaks here. What team exactly can lose for starters. And LeBron for a month, right? I mean, I'm not saying that there aren't some changes the week needs to make her or any of that. Like, there's plenty of blame to go around everyone. But. Yeah. Who's who's working with that now? And we're by the way, joy, as you know, they were fourth in the west before the injuries there were fourth, and we were all kind of going it. Kind of interesting to go in forty eight games. Laverne is always the typically better after the all star break. He's gonna come out. They're going to rally together they're gonna make it to the playoffs. I think so too. It's all going to be fine. It's going to be Golden State, Houston, Oklahoma City. And then, you know, my gut feeling is kind of a Utah thing will renaissance in Utah Bill coach their way up to about fourth. And then you're gonna have a bunch of Sacramento's in there. Oh, I didn't leave Denver either. My bad Denver will be third or fourth. I'm going to be easy. No, no, no. But by the way, they're going to have to play the warriors of the rockets in the first round, and they're going to lose Nick, right? Brian scallop rainy tomorrow. Kaby one. I'm Dr ause. I love getting the talk with you on my show every single day when the cameras stopped rolling. The conversation is over quite decided to start a podcast in order to dive deeper into the issues, and ideas that I love sharing with you. It's health, unfiltered, my wife, Lisa will be joining me and together, we're taking wellness to the next level and having a little fun along the way. Listen subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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NFL Draft Preview with Cooley

The Kevin Sheehan Show

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NFL Draft Preview with Cooley

"You want? It you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. All right. I am here. Aaron his here Cooley will be here shortly, and we'll sit in for the majority the significant majority of the show this show is presented by window nation. If you're in the market for windows. Call eight six six ninety nation or go to win donation dot com. And tell them we told you to call a lots of red skins and lots of NFL draft on the show today with Cooley that is going to be most if not all of the show the other part of the show, minimal part of the show will be the caps. Although I did Aaron last night stay up and watch the entire clippers warriors came. None of you really care about that. But God I love watching Lou Williams, and it's three two in that series. Crazy, by the way, real quick response to Hal on Twitter who I was just. Searching through Twitter this morning, and clicked on my my mentions or whatever they call those responses or whatever, and he asked me a question that I didn't even consider and haven't considered before. But he asked me why don't you tweet during caps games, you tweet during every other teams games were you watching the game last night? I did watch the game last night. I watched all seven of the playoff games against Carolina. I don't watch a lot of regular season hockey. I've admitted that before and I'm not a passionate caps fan at all. I wouldn't even consider myself a caps fan of the teams in town. That's at the bottom of the list. You know, loved the Redskins. I love Maryland basketball. I love the wizards. And I liked the NATs Maryland football. But the caps for whatever reason, it's just never been my thing. But the answers to why I don't tweet during caps games. I thought about it. And I think it's actually a simple answer. I don't think I know enough about the team and the game to tweet anything worthwhile in two hundred eighty characters. You got plenty of people that are really into this thing that you should be following on Twitter during these games. Also again, I'm not emotionally involved. Like, I am with some of the other team. So that's the answer on this. Podcast. However before we get to Cooley here in a moment, I'm going to talk about last night's game. Because you know, the history of this team is a big storyline. Of course, whenever they lose in the postseason. You know, this was another game seven loss. They are five and twelve now in game sevens as a franchise three and nine at home in game sevens. The Ovechkin era they are four and eight in game sevens. This was another to nothing series lead blown and in this series up three games to two they had the lead in game six and they lead last night by two goals twice during the game in a seventh and deciding game the Washington Post headline sports headline this morning was harsh. But I think it fit back to reality was the headline who cares really about reality, though, if you're a caps fan, and I'm. Not gonna speak for you. But I'm going to project here for a moment. And and try to put myself into the position of if the Redskins had won the Super Bowl in two thousand and six seventeen and then last year got to the playoffs and lost a home game against a perceived inferior team, I would still have the Super Bowl right from the year before they won the Cup last year. That's a pass that is a pass for at least a year if not two or three that's a three year pass three year pass, whatever you wanna put on it. It's a pass of some sort with some there's an expiration date to the pass Louis, but it's not a year later. It's not twelve months last night. I understand that it stings. You know, a caps loss in the postseason stings, but not as much as losing to Pittsburgh, the many times before the Rangers or the Canadians or anybody else that you lost two before you finally won the Stanley Cup. The. Season ended earlier than expected for team that was a division winner. And a and a favourite over team with limited postseason experience, with the exception of Justin Williams, primarily a, but wouldn't you in a heartbeat in a heartbeat trade last night for what happened last may and June? Of course, you would with that set a few observations about game seven I'll start with this. I really have a hard time thinking of anything more dramatic in sports than a seventh and deciding game in the NHL playoffs that goes to overtime. It is the true sudden death description, it is going to happen some point and it's going to happen on expectedly. And it's going to be quick last night. It was like just a flick towards the net. Bom it's over it is so dramatic in such a compelling watch. If you are into drama of any sort it is the best postseason overtime hockey, especially in a seventh in decide deciding game last night was an awesome sporting event and game to watch a start with this after that, you know, overall feeling about overtime hockey, they didn't show. All right. They came out last night and dominated the first period deed, anybody watching that game last night think that they were going to lose after they took a to nothing lead. Not me. I was like all right. You're gonna get your islanders and trots thing. And there was no chance was there in anybody's mind. The way they dominated that first period that that they were going to win this game. They came out as the team with the swagger the team with the championship pedigree from year ago, the team with the best players specially the best offense of players, and they came out. They had a to nothing leading. Yes. I thought it should have been more and Jobe and locker talked about the dominating of that first period should have led to something greater than two to nothing. I actually thought that it could've easily been Ford enough thing in that game after the first period, but it wasn't. But it was still to nothing. And there was no concern at all no concern. It had gained five written all over it in that first period to choke a game. You really have to feel the pressure of a seventh and deciding game and you feel that early. We've seen that with this franchise before you know, in seventh and deciding games where you knew from the jump that. The team was tight. They weren't tight last night. I thought that the shorthanded goal in the second period with the caps on the power play up to nothing changed everything. It was a fluky kind of shorthanded goal probably one that hold be should have stopped and it made Carolina. A team that you know, constantly Jobe and locker were talking about. They just won't go away. They're just so relentless. And it was true. It was true. But game five was what we were headed towards had they gotten a power play goal there. And instead there was a short handed goal. And I was in the moment. I'm like, wow. First of all, you don't see shorthanded goals that often. Secondly, you don't see shorthanded goal like that very often. There was traffic. He was defended wasn't like a a bad pass it skipped over stick. In. All the sudden you had a breakaway as shorthanded goal. It was shot that hope he didn't stop in a rebound score on a short handed goal. The third observation was the observation that is a sports fan, not a hockey guy. But as a sports fan, and we talked to every guest that we had on during the this series about this very thing. But the Carolina pressure into me, and I made the analogy of a team that you know. S's in basketball and turn you over in basketball. And really just makes you uncomfortable. You know with pressure. It was there from the beginning of the series. And it was there last night over the final two periods in the overtimes, the four checking the constant pressure. There was never anything easy for the caps and the caps defenseman in particular. They chase down the puck in somebody was chasing them down consistently. I don't watch a lot of hockey during the regular season. I do watch it during the postseason. Maybe somebody could correct me on this. But I thought Carolina's style in this series was a style. I don't usually see constant four checking pressure Fleiss pressure making the other team uncomfortable. I would've thought that it would have led to more breakout opportunities for the caps with all of that pressure. You know, one good pass they break the pressure. And then all the. And there's a two one one you'd get as much of that as I thought you could have gotten in this series, but the Carolina pressure. Also, I think war the caps out last night. I thought they ran out of gas. They were dominated in the overtimes. And I know that you can be dominated and still win the game. And hockey, obviously in the caps had opportunities Verona hit the post in overtime. You know in the end it could have ended right there. But Carolina was the fresher team fresher leg team. The caps were really tired. I thought a veteran in particular looked exhausted in those overtimes and Carolina had the ice tilted as they say. I mean, it was really amazing that it went all the way into midway through the second overtime. I thought Carolina with the pressure. They were putting on and the the amount of puck possession that they had. It just seemed like the caps couldn't clear the zone. Seventy percent of the time. And I just thought it looked like we're headed towards a Carolina win in that overtime. And I again caps had opportunities. Ovechkin had one, you know off of a pass right there on a low hard one timing drive that Meraz stopped but Carolina dominated the overtime. I thought the caps from all of the pressure. Just ran it. Just ran out of gas. Big obviously McGinn 's save of goal at the end of regulation was massive. And then the, you know, the goal in overtime to win it off of the Justin Williams, you know, throwing the puck towards the net. Mcginn was really the hero. Justin Williams was a big time hero in this series. Mr. game seven the only problem is when he was here in Washington. He didn't do anything in that game seven against Pittsburgh two years ago. But he did it for Carolina last night. But the big pig. Picture of wire the caps out this year versus last year. This is this is really sort of a gut feel a not going to back it up with a lot of substance. It's for you guys to chew on for you to correct me if I'm wrong or agree with me, if you might you can do that on social media following me on Twitter at Kevin Sheehan DC that my Twitter address. Yes. Okay. Just wanted to check. That's the other thing. I don't tweet as much as most people. So I don't even know my Twitter address. I do know my Twitter just because I got it. Right. But for so long it was at Kevin asinine eighty. It's now at Kevin Sheehan DC. There you go. As Aaron just laughs at me. I I'm I'm better on social media. I don't tweet as much as many of you guys do in the media. But I've tweeted a lot more over the last six months, as you know, because we need to promote this podcast, and I liked doing that. Anyway, here's my big picture. Take have at it on Twitter. If if you if you want the owner, went sheep on the coach, you don't let a championship coach go especially championship coach that got you your first championship after so many years of suffering in the postseason don't nickel in dime that coach it's just bad business. Now, there may be part of this story. I don't know. And there may be context to the story. And maybe just wasn't what? They wanted to do because they didn't like berry or they thought weird and with so much better. But initialled in dined a championship coach from that perspective if I'm right about that than Ted got what he deserved on that front. I am rooting for berry trots the rest of the way to win a Cup in New York with the islanders because again, I may be wrong for a lot of reasons. I'm just telling you that the first thing I thought of last night was wow, you swapped out in assistant coach for a Stanley Cup championship. Coach over a few nickels and dimes in a few, you know, hard line salary contract positions. Well, that was our position. This is how much we're going to give you as a bonus. If you won the Cup to hell with that last may and June was so special and buried trots was the guide elite it. And you let them go for a few nickels and dimes anyway their season's over all of the division. Winners are out in the postseason. And and and there you go. It's a crazy sport man in this postseason. I don't mind it at all. I recognize it for what it is. There's a lot of randomness to the results of these postseason games in this particular sport. I think it's what makes it so exciting that in these overtime close games in these lengthy series. But the fact that you can go into this particular postseason, unlike any other sport, and you have a chance to win it all despite what you did in the regular season makes it fun. I mean it is best of sevens. In every other sport the in baseball to a lesser degree in basketball to a much greater degree. Usually you get the best team in hockey. You'd just get the team that gets on a roll or gets the luckiest. In Carolina's case against the caps. I really believe that you can say alternately after seven games that the better team in this series one. I thought they probably well, I don't think probably I think they played better for the majority of the series than the caps. It doesn't mean that the caps didn't have a couple of great games like game five doesn't mean. They didn't have a couple of great periods. Like the first period last night. But overall over seven games watching every single minute of every single one of these seven games to me as a very casual hockey observer thought Carolina was the better team slightly. But that they were the better team and deserved to win. So they go on and they get the islanders, right? And then it's Columbus against Mazda Boston and the other series, and I don't I have no idea what the NHL is probably rooting for at this point. But I would imagine. A big market team. Like New York would help ton for them. If that's even a thing in hockey because it tends to be regional in terms of ratings. But but New York in or Boston either wanted to either one of those teams in the Stanley Cup finals would probably be a great thing. The caps are out. I will still pay attention as I usually do to the postseason, you you. There should be an app that alerts anybody could be should be able to download an app that tells you, hey, turn on the turn on CNBC or NBC sports network because the games go into overtime in hockey. It's called Twitter. I understand that. But you should have there should be a dedicated Twitter account that you could follow. That says, hey, it's turned NBC sports network. You're in overtime game, five minutes left. It was great. And last year's not forgotten either. It was such a special thing and still to this day. For me last year. The most entertaining part of last year was a veteran getting the you know, the fifty thousand pound gorilla off his back. And then the way he celebrated that not just that night in Vegas. But for the several months that followed the most heartbreaking thing I saw yesterday was. So the Stanley Cup itself has a Twitter account and tweeted Lovie, this isn't goodbye. It's just see later that that broke my heart a little the the greatest romance of our time. And I had it was a great romance. I mean, he took advantage of that romance. And boy was he loving caring and affectionate during that relationship that was fun to watch. Anyway, that's it on the cap season. I- Jobe was gonna join us today. I shouldn't say that. I tried to get Jobe to join us today. He had he had a commitment. This morning may get him on the show tomorrow just to wrap up the cap season and talk a bit about that a little bit tomorrow. All right, cool is here. 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How you doing massive studios? Huge. It's about one hundred five square feet. We really don't need anymore. We soundproofed at this is all you need. Why would I speak? And a lot of money on a big studio when truly I don't wanna have more than two or three people in here at one time. Anyway, well, you're a frivolous kind of person. I'm you know, what I learned some of that from you. Like very little of it. Let's start the show. Like, we always used to start the show with what he got. Because I've got a story for. So you probably don't have anything just sprung this on you always have this is my thing. But guess where I was on Easter Sunday late afternoon and evening, Charlotte. No, why would you get Charlotte? Tony guess I was in Atlantic City at the borgata. I knew that you told me that. I did tell you that. Yeah. You want your son? I did we were up at inlaws in New Jersey, and we decided to drive back, and do, you know, the last time that I was in Atlantic City at the borgata per year bachelor party, which was how many years ago now. When would that have been five years ago six years ago to know, your bachelor party three not more than three when did you and natty get married? This is three when did you? This is three this is about three years. So it's three years ago. Okay. And like five engineers were friends, and here's what I remembered about that particular bachelor party evening at the borgata. First of all we went to the Eddie money concert. Remember how good he was sick. It's tickets to any money tickets and two tickets to paradise and we had more than two tickets. And that is that was the story of the night is we're we're we're you guys all night we were at the Eddie money concert. He was so good playing at Harris. Which was not true. The other thing I remembered was for whatever reason every girl that walked by us was Jamie, Jamie. Hey, Jamie, where did that come from. Came from my guests that you weren't Charlotte insist random it was and a little bit of fun. And then lastly, which was so Cooley. We're sitting there, and we're playing cards were playing blackjack for I don't know couple of hours. And and he was he at one point. He was definitely over served. And so we decided. When we checked in. We were over certainly doll on the way, but per per usual, and this was my fault because I was blamed for it. We leave the blackjack table and all of us headed up to the room to continue drinking, and whatever and Cooley at some point as over served as he was said, dammit, where's my phone shit? Where's my wallet? Where are my keys? You didn't have anything with you. It left it at the blackjack table. But that didn't wasn't because it was over served. It was it was more. Because that's what I do. It's what you do. It's what you do. So I went downstairs and sure enough the pit boss who was entertained by our card playing for several hours said, hey, your guy, he left all this shit here. And I said, thank you very much. So it wasn't lost. And then the last part of that weekend. You remember what happened the following morning? Do you remember who called me to ask me to help with something? No, Adam Schefter called do you? Remember this not really Adam Schefter calls me. I looked at my phone. We're we're playing I don't know. We're back in the casino early on. It was a Saturday morning or Sunday morning, or whatever it was an Adam Schefter called me to say, hey, I need your help with something. And I said what any said Mike, Mike didn't like something. That was written about him. I forget exactly what the circumstances was any wants to go public with some of this stuff. Mike shanahan. I understand who Mike is when you say my, and he said, you gotta call him and talk them out of of of doing this. This would make him look bad. And so I I went up I left I left the table went up called him. And I forget what it was. He was criticized by somebody about something that he had said, and I just said to him I go you don't respond to that. Just let it go. If you respond you're gonna look defensive and it's going to blow up into something bigger. And I said by tomorrow, nobody's even gonna remember this story, and he said are. Right. It's good advice. Thanks very much. And he never said anything. And then Adam said, what did he say? I said he listened to me. He's not going to talk to anybody. That's what I remember about the last time. I was in Atlantic City. It was with you and all of your degenerate, friends, and we had a blast. And we're just as degenerate, I was just as degenerate, and I think actually on that particular trip. I lost a good sum of money, which did not happen on Sunday. When I got, you know, I want some money playing blackjack and then got on one of those craps tables where dude got on like twenty twenty five minute role. And I had every number, and I was pressing the most fun. Most can have a casino the most fun. You can have an casino. And and what was even better is rather than staying after that long role and losing all that money back which typically happens it was late. We'd said we're going to get. Some dinner and then go home because I wanted to get home to watch game of thrones. Which have you watched episodes? No, I haven't watched really game of thrones. But I there's a reason behind this. And that's I've waited eighteen months. So I'm just gonna wait until I can watch them all at once. You're gonna binge it. Yeah. But aren't you hearing about the episode's no live in cave? I live in a cave with cartoons and children. All right. What do you got? You got anything for me or not? I got a lot of stuff one. I it's been four months minimum since I've seen your face. You look great. You look like you've been working out. I actually have peleton by gotta peleton by a couple of weeks ago. And I've been doing it. Religiously every single day. So I've lost haven't talked about this. But I preach. It you asking and I sheet noticing I have lost eight pounds in two weeks. I need to lose twenty five pounds. That's the goal. We just give you a tip here. Don't eat. We'll give you put a little tip in. Eight pounds is just water weight. The I understand you're going to hit a line at about twelve. That's what you really got to bear down. Suck it up. Peleton even harder. Here's why disagree with you. And you have more expertise in this area, but gaining and losing in the last six months, I put on I mean, I literally put on like eighteen pounds. I I'm the heaviest I was the heaviest shoe weeks ago that I've ever been and the biggest issue is I still get up super early. I've not been able to break that getting up at five AM thing. I go to bed late. I'm not sleeping enough. That's a big part of it. And before I go to bed. I eat which is not a good thing. So if I cut out the eating, and I get a little bit more sleep. And I add the exercise to it. I think I'm gonna lose a lot of weight quickly. I think it's going to be like fifteen to twenty pounds in a month. I think I can do that in a month. Still. That's you're not real. You're a month is just gonna go right back on if you quit. So why won't quit? I won't quit. I it's easier not to quit over the summer than it is during the winter. You talk to me yesterday about this bike, and I have a Kaiser bike, which is essentially the exact same thing as the peleton bike. It's just a different program that you're watching. But you have live instructors, right? As you would put an ipad up and. Yes, it would you can have live instructors. I don't particularly like the class or the live instructor. So I just have a few programs that I do. I broke up pedal off yesterday. It's crazy that stripped out the pedal. So I I was riding hard for fifteen minutes thinking about you. And then thinking about John pedal. So I gotta go to Kaiser and getting pedaled or new pedal like the bar that holds the penalties. I can't I can't get it back in its stripped out brand new bike. Do you need special shoes for the Kaiser so you do for pellet the Pels? I have bike shoes. You lock into. I have hells. I have those shoes you could use them. Well, I'm asking you does the Kaiser by nothing to do shoes. Yeah. But that had nothing. Yes. But that had nothing to do with the pedal. Breaking okay. It was just hard writing on your part. I actually liked the live instructor part. And I have not done a live class. I've done the recorded classes, and I've tried to find the most attractive of instructors female instructors, that's actually helpful. And I do find that the encouragement doesn't allow me to just stop like I finished. Now haven't done it at the cadence level at the at the resistance level throughout the workout. That's the part that gets you when they increase the resistance level to a level words like Jesus Christ. I'm going to keel over here. So I'll just not always hit that resistance level. But I have completed how soars your ass. That's interestingly enough with my lower back issues. That's the biggest problem I have on a bike. And I've always had can't ride mile it first day because you feel like you've been right idea. Cheered right? I've done the thirty minute program tw-. Price. But I've done the forty five minute programs like five or six shorts. No, I don't wear shorts or the biker shorts because they're pads in them. Well, you know, what maybe I should have some padding because it might my ass does hurt in my lower backwards. Which is why I've always used the elliptical. I've got an elliptical in my house, which is no impact. And really you. Don't feel anything on your lower back. Now part of these ride you stand up you get off the seat which helps and then when you can get off the seat for two minutes and then sit back down at helps. Anyway, I'm actually a fan of this thing so far. I did not think I would be it was my wife decided we were going to get it. And I've used it a lot. So I was in Utah. Yeah. I went back to the Utah state spring game. Were you invited to the Utah state spring gaming? I was I was asked to come. Yes. And we had a meeting with all of the sponsors. I guess. Donors that we call it in college level. Sure, we did that there was like twenty pros that came back. Greg Creggan was Utah state Aggie. I don't even know if I remember that. But as you Broncos fan who who's the most famous football, Utah state ruling Olsen, I would say ruin Jones, Phil Olson and ruin Olsen, Merle Merlin Merlin. Good job, Chris. He's still famous, but Merlin Merlin dead. But it doesn't mean he's not the most famous probably the most famous who's the most famous alive right now. Probably Bobby Wagner, Bobby Wagner, went to Utah state. You gotta you gotta be second. Right. I don't know. There's yes. Do I mean when when they announce shoe in front of do they announce you in front of this generates about fifteen hundred gonna say Utah state and rings now maverick stadium? They used to be Romney stadium. When I was there. But I met this buddy in the it was fun because I hadn't been back a lot and. Logan, Utah doesn't have high school reunions for whatever reason who's a big baseball player back in high school. He could throw that speed ball by man. Make you look fastball like a refer to it as a speed. And I saw him the other night at this roadside bar. He was walking in and I was walking out. We went back inside. And we sat down and had a few drinks, Kevin. You know, all we kept talking about. Glory days. How they'll pass you by. When are you going to get this got the lyrics? I had you. I've I've got the lyrics. But I thought the reason I was. I I tell me the blood Dr story, that's what I was waiting the doctor story two or three times. I'm not gonna shimmy not to anybody listening on the well, I have a podcast. On my. And then I interviewed the blood doctor on my podcasts. Okay, James Val. So for your podcast to the people that don't listen. Well, the a lot of people listened to both. So I don't wanna be repetitive. But wanted you see if you can summarize summarize it really quickly. Going back to your Alantic city story couldn't find my wallet that morning. I know it's in the house actually now, I'm not so sure I still haven't found it. Couldn't find the wallet believable ran around finally found. The passport made the flight. Everything is cool. Get Selleck city. It's one hundred miles ninety miles away from Logan. They will not rent you a car without driver's license. I had been there three years ago, and it was an off site out of the airport rental car place. And they did write me a car at the passport. So I'm on hold with DNV forever. Some lady came up to is on hold. And I was wearing a Utah state. You're calling envy to get them to have facts yet or license. So this lady says, yeah, my son plays at Utah state. And I'm trying to listen on hold. I Nord twenty five minutes go by and I thought wait a minute. She's going to Logan. So I just stopped him through the airport and. When they got done getting their key. I walked up, and I said, hey, is there any way you can take me to Logan. Yes. What's what your name? My name's Chris. By the way, we introduce ourselves. And so this guy is did they know you when you introduced yourself or did they just say this J James Lavalle is is the guy's name. And he he does all the blood work now for the NFL hall of fame and he's doing a ton of stuff. We does a ton of stuff on every level, essentially, just a valuate, your your bloodwork and your metabolism, and what's going into your body by by seeing what's in your blood? And that's that's the forefront of of sportsman Howard. Lease. We spent two hours talking. And then I if you wanna listen Cooley at the park, I spent forty five minutes on an interview where it's intriguing it's not just a sports thing for you with how you're going to lose weight, or what what you have or what you don't have how you should train on any given day. Your blood tells you I'm just fascinated that teams don't do that. Now, I'm really fascinated every individual athlete like Loma chanko. He gets his. Drawn every day. I think that would be inconvenient and a pain in the ass. Even if it's four are you performance as your of needles? No, I'm not afraid of needles. I just don't I wouldn't want to neon arm every day. Excuse me looks like you have some tracks there. Yeah. They take it out out of the webs of his fingers and stuff where they I mean, we're you getting do you could do once a week, and it would be amazing to know as a professional athlete what you're doing landing like Dr Lavalle James asses, basically Lavalle or Lavelle what you get on the right track. If he said, if I have a guy that hasn't problems I'd wanna continue to look at it and continue to see and monitor much you get a gun on the right track. You know, every couple months fine. Okay. That's good. I mean, he's working with a bunch of professionals working with the Orlando Magic. He worked with the Blackhawks. That's awesome. Let me anyways. I wanna just cut to the chase of what this minute summary was supposed to be about done, which you have. No, you're not done. And that is several NFL teams have these kinds of people on their payroll Seattle, Philadelphia. Some of the real progressive forward thinking teams when it comes to health and nutrition and and all of that stuff. And there is a team that is very much behind the times when it comes to this. And that team would be well, I think the Redskins are definitely behind the times on this. But I think that team is twenty four teams in the league at a minimum. I don't know that for sure. Because a any I look through a bunch of teams. Most teams have two or three or four guys on their wait staff two or three or four guys four five maybe in their training staff. How many do this to individualize? This should be no more than five to one player to train her player to trainer to player. Trainer jet. Skis trainer. You're saying one trainer on trainer. Five players five players at a minimum, right? And the way the way this whole thing is always worked through the time. I played in it still is your essentially clustered into groups like the tight ends and linebackers everyone in the two forty two to sixty range going to do a lot of the same type of work in the linemen are going to do a lot of the same type work. But essentially, you're individualizing two different metabolism's and body types versus sizes. And so you really should be clustering it into this is the kind of group that we have to develop because they're low on a certain level. They're anemic maybe low in iron their loan magnesium. We've gotta develop this kind of program for these guys. These guys are going to train better at this level or. It's not into all I'm saying is we don't individualize at all if you went into when I played if you went into the training room said can I get a thirty minute stretch and literally hands on massage. Okay. Cumin? There's a massage place down here. The chiropractor is at this building. Let me just I'm amazed. The a Redskins are stuck in the nineties when it comes to all of this stuff. And not that they're only team not that. They're the only team this told me, but the teams that are progressive thinking, you know, out of the box thinking not even out of the box. But the Seattle's in Philadelphia. Philadelphia's of the world are leaps and bounds ahead of the reds. Leaps and bounds. Okay. And and it's it's just not just like you get a look at like Manchester United if they had thirty players they have thirty trainer. Could it? Explain all the injury in talking to James valley said fifty percent of injuries is essentially nutrition. Fifty percent of injuries built up his has to do with your by me. Do you? Walk out Ramos decision. Do you walk into the Redskins cafeteria? And there's pizza chicken tenders and and hotdogs, amber. Definitely improved there. Still some bad choices that you can make in that. But it's definitely improved. But I'm I'm just interested. You know, if your take a guy's blood, and you say, these are this is x y and z that that meal plan should be catered in a certain fashion, you should take home dinner. Made premade you're going to have this kind of deal. You should have everything ready to go for you. You're talking about twenty two year old kids who right essentially on their own probably not gonna make great choices all of how many tell me those dudes on the way home, the young guys, you know, before they become professional for the lack of a better description are just stopping at the McDonald's drive-thru on the way home. I think it's less and less now because people are more concerned about what they're putting into their bodies. But a lot. Yeah. And it's not like you can't stop that. But you can at least get them. A a base four meals a day that is pre made. But you can't take one nutritionist which is what the Redskins currently have in in building say all develop develop meal plans for eighty guys fifty five guys during the season. It's you need if you had fifty guys you need eight or ten of them. And here's the other thing. That's crazy. This isn't part of the nutrition. But. There's no sport psychiatry's that all it. It's almost faux pas on the NFL to see a psych, but you're not talking about daddy issues or past problems in life for most of these guys you're talking about getting the right mental state. And by the way, that blood makeup stuff all the neurons that fire in the brain. If you're not in the right blood makeup chemistry of your body. You're firing. This is me saying this, by the way, the like the anti this. I know what you are more into this now than you were a play. I'm running team. I want every possible edge. And what I'm suggesting right now. How much would you pay for three more wins over the last two years? It's three playoff years five billion cost of increasing your nutritionist staff, and adding a psych, and adding you know, what million bucks couple million bucks. It's it's three four. What if it's pennies for an NFL franchise pennies, and in your sitting there saying here's a good, for example, what Orlando Scandic make last year in guaranteed money. I think he got like one eight. He doesn't really fit us. Let's get right. They throw it away their one eight away just on a player who didn't necessarily like as opposed to properly hired six six to seven high quality contributors on the medical training nutrition staff, this here's my two hundred three hundred years. My only concern how many places this happened Seattle in definitely happened with chip Kelly in Philly with a sleep study stuff. Which is another thing. Many player said they're just they just wanna know every part of my life many players. Don't don't wanna get their blood drawn because they're afraid that they've passed the marijuana test once and now all of a sudden, they don't want the team to know they're smoking weed, but in theory, they'll teams turning their own players in bright. It's all for the benefit. I dunno. Okay. Okay. Let's let's let's wrap this today. The draft us today. Let's get to this. 'cause this is what happens we end up talking about other shit for an hour. And then we spent five minutes, that's not gonna you. Use your f-bomb on here. I'm sorry. Do you have any f bombs in your podcast? Oh, yeah. Plenty. Yeah. We can you can say, I know. I can. I'm just asking if you do. Oh, yeah. I don't even realize it. But every early on when I would drop f bombs people with tweet me or Aaron and say, oh, I didn't know she was allowed to do that. I since it's your podcast. I think well, let me apparently we can. But it can't be like over the top without filing for some sort of rating on the podcast when we're good. We're good. I I've not I here's what I want. I've got a lot of topics to cover about the draft, which we are several hours away from but I wanna start with this. I want to get a sense of what? You think of some of the reports that have been out there. The last couple of days from Diana Rossini from grand Paulsen from Mike Garoppolo the whole thing about trading up. Most of the the stories have dealt with the Redskins wanna trade up. All right. They're they're going to trade up to three with the jets. They're going to trade up inside the top five year trade to five with Tampa to get ahead of the giants. I think the obvious answer for most of us would be they wanna quarterback grant yesterday on one of seven put out something that was interesting in that. I think some of us have felt for wild that this is this was going to be a slightly different off season. And I do want your reaction to this one. He tweeted out just talked to a Redskins source who told me Dan Snyder has taken over the first round of the draft. And the last time this happened. The Redskins traded to future number ones and the number to to move up to. Take Robert Griffin the third on all of these reports. Do you believe any of this stuff? Is it possible that BRUCE'S throwing this stuff out there to get people talking about stuff in get grants next week? Yeah. I saw that Redskins categorically deny through call totally Wiley leg he got reprimanded for it circle. Will if you okay. So I wasn't gonna bring it up because I didn't want to be overly critical. I thought grants. I tweet was enough. If you have a source. All right. If you have a source, and you in that's a story that he's broken. Okay. I thought that his second tweet which said for what it's worth and in the interest of the Redskins side of this on my previous tweet. I just talked to Redskins spokesman Tony wyle. He says any person saying dance Neider is taken over the teams. I ran decision making is categorically false. If you got a source, and you tweet something out let it stand on its own. Okay. The. Redskins can come out and deny it on their own heated to me. I I wouldn't have done that. Because I think it sounds a little bit defensive of your initial report, which by the way, I do feel as true I've said this from day one when the season ended that intuitively, and then based on conversations that I've had that Dan Snyder was not going to put up with another off-season of Cornell McPhee Orlando scanned RIC in Stephen pie that just was not going to fly with the deterioration the accelerated deterioration of this fan base. And that they need he needed some action. You know, like dice table, I need I need the action. Every once in a while he needed the offseason action. They got Landon Collins. They tried to get a B. They tried to get golden Tate. They they the Rosen thing. I don't know enough about it perhaps you do. But I know there were inquiries made. He wants some action. Even if the law. Long term best interest of the team is to not reach for a quarterback. I believe that he wants a quarterback in this draft. What do you make of these reports? I think there's truth and fiction to all of the reports. Okay. Tell me what's truthful, and then why don't know entirely what's truthful. But I I it's truthful that certain people are being told her hearing certain things, I just don't know if everything they're hearing is truthful, I think there's some fiction to all these reports. Like, I e Diana Rossini says the Josh Rosen trade is dead. Now, it's not dead. Where where did you see it wasn't it? It's back alive. Today is what I've heard that. The Rosen trade is still a possibility which I think is a truth. I don't think it's true. Okay. That's very I think it's the truth. Because if they don't get a I think they're going to trade up, by the way, I think the let me let me circle back here. I think Dan wants action. So I wouldn't have a problem creating some perception of action if I'm within the organization, maybe we're going to trade up. We wanna go ahead and get the best guy. We liked this guy. Maybe we're going to try to trade back. Maybe we like to get a trade for its drumming up action. And I think that's what Dan wants if you look back at all the previous moves made the big moves, the Alex Smith, moved the keenum BRUCE'S move is way under the radar type of move. Dan's move is not. So maybe it's a piecing Dan to some extent by creating some action. I don't think anybody I think that it is a boardroom of whoever's running what? And I think BRUCE'S the end all be all, but I think there's input from Kyle. And Kyle has an idea Kossuth has an idea of what he would like to do. I think Jay has an idea of what he would like to do. And if they're off somewhere playing golf or talking to somebody it's a world where all these things are getting back to people incredibly fast. So I don't know of any of these people are definitively, right or wrong. I think Dan is involved. But I don't know if he's involved in terms of saying, I would like this or I would not like this. But he's going to sit there and listen to what everyone's saying is he's in the building at times, or he's going to say XYZ, you're going to be at my house and walk me through what we have going on at a certain time, which he has every right to do. Of course, that's different from you know, we are going to trade for Donovan McNabb. We are going to draft or we're going to go get Albert Hanes worth. You know, all of the the old version of Dan, you're the one that made this comment to me in past years. And I don't know. I don't remember exactly when you told me this use said that Bruce Allin was Dan's attempt to become a better owner. And I think everybody understands when you said that and I've. Repeated many times over the years that what you meant when you said it which was I'm getting out of me and Vinnie going on you know, on Redskins won miss it Air Force One on Redskins one to get Albert Hanes worth. You know? Right. After pre agency opens in. I'm not going to be sitting down there at the combine with a stop watch anymore or telling Gibbs, you know, in or Spurrier how much I like Patrick Ramsey or whatever it is Bruce is a is a league executive in a stab executive. He's my attempt to become a good owner. So over the years recent years, we have heard Dan's had a big, you know, has had much less involvement in the day today. And even the big decisions that it's been Bruce leading those what I'm asking you is is this the year that Dan is back in that he's inserted himself back in to the big decision making as the biggest influential voice in these decisions. Do you think? No. You don't think that? Okay. But I think that he's involved enough. And there are enough people that have had conversations with him that if I were to say. To said reporter. Yeah, we had a meeting Dan house that said reporter would say dance back in the park every day. I haven't seen Dan at the park. And I'm not saying that to stick up for he is or isn't involved. I just I think that he's I he's involved in every draft. At least embody. I don't know if in spirit or in decision making or any other thing that goes in. He's not watching film. They have promise you is not unless someone's gonna show him something or he's going to ask he's not sitting on his ipad pulling up Xhosa to see if he likes Cleland feral. Like, I promise you that. Do you believe grants report that he is quote taken over the first round of the draft close, quote if he's taken over the first round of the draft. It would be in my opinion saying I want quarterback. Well, then that's that's involved that's true involvement. But I don't know what we say. Do I believe that report full? You know, I don't know. I just I can't answer the question that I don't know the answer to okay. But I asked you if unite inserted himself into this in a much bigger way than he has in recent years, and you said, you don't think so that therefore that you that you've must think that the grants report? Is wrong. Because taking over the first round of the draft is an implication that Dan is saying we're doing what I wanna do. We're going to get Haskins. And we're going to get drew lock or whatever we're doing. We're getting a quarterback, even if we have to trade up for it. Do you think that's true or not? I don't know. Okay. I know you want me to say. Yeah. I think you just said I think he's inserted himself. What I'm saying is your then in recent years perception becomes reality to anybody. And if you're perceiving that Dan's involved because he's there you can create a reality that he's he's calculating the draft. I don't think he is at least think he's taking input from everyone else. This is what I there's just no here. I'm going to say no way with Haskins all year at Ohio State and said, I want that dude I believe in it did go to high school with his son. That bulls his son was a freshman. Actually, I don't even think he was a freshman at bullets. I think he was as very, Georgetown prep. Or didn't go to high school. Let me put it in a way that I think may be you will agree with right? And 'cause you have not been able to be able to talk to other teachers and see what kind of kid wasn't high school. Sure. But they do that. Anyway. Yeah. This is how I would put it. I would put it this way when the season ended and it ended nuggety fashion with his stadium being completely taken over by Philadelphia eagle fans. And I don't know if this was like the moment in perhaps the moment happened in the opener against the colts. When the stadium was half filled the home opener that is. But at that moment, he said we have to do something in this upcoming off season to generate interest and to get fans back and get revenue back. We cannot have another off season of Bruce who I believe in because Dan believes, and Bruce, and there's this relationship there that is for whatever reason comforting to the owner, but I cannot have you hand me, Paul Richardson and John Johnson and Chris Culliver and KENDALL race in tell me we had a great off-season. We need more than. In that this year and Tonio Brown is available. Let's go try to get them. Golden Tate is available. Let's try to get them. Landing Collins actually wants to play for us. Let's try to get him. Greg Williams is available as defensive coordinator having Greg back. Here would generate some interest. Let's try to get get. Let's try to get Greg Williams. And by the way, we have a pick in this draft. And I don't want it to be an offensive lineman. I don't want it to be a player that nobody's heard of. We need a quarterback. Alex is done colts. Not the answer your case keenum trade fine. It was cheap to no brainer. But we don't have him under contract after next year. We gotta go get ourselves a quarterback. Now, go do it. Now does that mean he's taken over the first round of the draft? Doesn't mean he's taken it over literally. But there's been this message since that Philadelphia game to finish up the season where we gotta have an off season where it looks like we are, you know, we're we're making. A splash or two here. That's what I think Dan is sane. It's all about winning. I don't care about the rest. Well, it's all about winning. I don't believe they should try to draft a quarterback at fifteen or higher. That's what I believe. He's doing if he believes that drafting a quarterback is winning. Then he's drafting a quarterback because he wants to win. He does not want to drum up interest. No one's gonna believe that I say that. And maybe he. Maybe he's going to say that to anyone around him and not truly believe it because it's it's hard to not have your your stadium sell. It's hard to look at your television ratings. It's hard to look at a fan base. That's diminishing you. And I think I believe the same thing. They don't quite I don't know if they understand the levity of what's going on with the fan base. I think that there. But that's what you believe. Correct. That you believe that there's a group of Redskins fans that you look at letters. Attendance to charity events and say there's nothing wrong with our fans. I there part of me, I think it's about winning part of that's all he cares heart of me to get back to that, you know, the just winning. But I think part of it is what you said they are fooled by this same group that shows up at these events that they have and will never ever be negative about the Redskins. And I do believe that they feel like that the revenue hit and the ratings and the tickets are more about a fan base being disappointed. Then, you know, first of all I rate, and now apathetic I think it's more about them thinking BRUCE'S, essentially Senate are fans with our fans were disappointed. We had injuries and they were disappointed, but we were six and three. I don't think that they understand the extent of the rage, and how that rages turned into apathy and how hard it will be to get. Those people back. So I would agree with that. But I also think there's a, but I also know he knows how to read PNL and the the revenues with this in the corporate sponsorships and the ticket sales. These are real tangible things that have to be an alarm bell going off in his head. Yeah. But you can read the PNL, and you can also make excuses and say there's a lot going around the league that says the same type of thing. So maybe. It's not at their level. They think I think they think there's a lot going on. But you're outside of just what they've done that's affecting some of these things, and I understand why you would do that. Because you don't want to place blame on yourself. Well, the they'll point Brian lav Amina for you know, the transparent you can find anything you wanna find Bakken. So seeing say in in spin it any way you want to spin it. But ultimately, you can find excuses for anything that you that you have shortcomings in. And maybe that's a big part of it. But I think they're just going to say it's about winning back to your Dan just wants to win soon. No matter who they take. If it's the best player on the board, and it's going to contribute to winning. It's fine. What if they take Joon Taylor? There's no chance for taking on Taylor. Okay. I'm trying to give you a player that, you know, very few people miss you really following the draft. I'll give Lindstrom from it. Fifteen the guard from Boston College. What they take him think dance going to be happy with that. What you say Haskins Haskins on the board. So as lock fifteen and they take Chris Lindstrom. He's going to be happy with that. Oh boy. Come. No one's going to be happy about. So that's. Okay. Let me get this is the best. I'll give you a better example, if they take Devon Bush the inside linebacker Michigan. Well, supposed to be sure thing you're going to say you're gonna spend that we can continue to build this front seven. We got a playmaker on defense. I don't believe. He's a playmaker past awkward both on the board. So as Daniel Jones, Devon bushes taken seeking to be happy Devin Bush is a bigger name. I gave you Chris Lindstrom who most people you really following the draft don't know, but could be a mid first round pick, by the way could fill an immediate need to the interesting thing is any of the players you named or the player I named. I'm not gonna be happy. If those two quarterbacks are on the board. But the for me if they if marquees Brown was sitting there and you got yourself a real playmaker. I don't know how much I believe in any of these quarterbacks. So I would be fine with that. I know you would be I'm not asking about. So my answer. My answer is. Yeah. If it were marquees Brown, I think he'll be happy about it. Didn't ask you about Markey's, Mark. He's Brown has a different Shmona versus a quarterback. Chris Lindstrom could be a top fourteen through twenty three pick. Let me he's highest player on the board and Haskins and locker sitting there and the Redskins take Chris Lindstrom at fifteen guard from BC simple question. Do you think Dan would be happy with that? I know, you know, Kevin he's gonna be he's this. How many times I've talked to Dan unless four months zero. So what he's thinking have you just had a curiosity? Have you been in their draft war room? Like have you seen the big boredom asking you to reveal any of it? If you did. But have you ever seen any of that stuff? I didn't walk in the draft wearing this year. I could write why don't you have a desire to do that and interest to do that? I'm curious. I think it would be really cool. Don't they do have a desire to do it? I don't belong there. Okay. That's a good answer. I didn't know if that was some I don't. So here's my one of my biggest things, and you know this. I don't like having information because I'm not right? You want you weren't owning my own information. And when I say it, I wanna know that I'm not protecting anything or hiding anything or trying to promote anyone's agenda. I don't belong there. I believe that just as competent and evaluating most of these guys and where these guys will fall. I'm somewhat interested in in how much they love the quarterbacks. Other than that. Because you don't love the quarterbacks. And if they love the quarterbacks you would be at odds with that. And we're gonna find out I love Murray, by the way that you asked me there was truth to trading the three for Murray different. That's the only thing you're trading up to three four you're not trading three to take Haskins or luck. I agree with you. Then so trading up to three essentially was saying the jets are trying to shop there pick like crazy right now. And everybody knows that the cardinals are going to go ahead and stay with Rosen draft Bosa, which means Alagoas San Francisco. And now, you gotta got it three which is what seven hundred fifty points on the draft chart down from one. It's that's a big jump to get the three to one. So there was truth in that. If someone said to me, if I was in the room, would you be interested in trade up to three to get the best player the quarterback, certainly? Yes, I had that on my list of things to talk about when we got to the quarterback in more in. In more specifics. But I mentioned this yesterday. I don't think that any fan. You could disagree with it. But I don't think you could disagree with it on the, you know, whether or not this was a risk that you could justify taking you may not like the player, you may think at five foot eight or whatever it might really be that you shouldn't have a five foot eight hundred ninety five pound quarterback in the NFL. What did he weigh in to a five whatever it was? But if they traded from fifteen to three because the cardinals went boasts, and you had to get ahead of the raiders because Cuyler Murray was there that if that's what happened tonight. I think tomorrow morning I would come in. And I would say I understand what they did. I have no idea it's gonna work out or not. But I understand what they did just in the same way. I felt that way about Griffin when they traded what they traded for Griffin. Which is a lot in hindsight. Given some of the other Compaq is in recent years to trade up more distance. But whatever was it was two thousand twelve in the MO. Moment. I said if you really believe he's a franchise changing quarterback. Absolutely. Instead, that's the thing about it. I would feel really badly, and I I would criticise heavily if they did that for Haskins or Jones or lock or any of their quarterback. I think it would be stupidity. You can't do it for any other quarterback. Because. It's not like I'm fully buying every mock draft but every quarterback. Could be taken after fifteen after calorie potentially potentially any one of those quarterbacks could fall Brent. It's the only position you trade up to in the first round because it is the only position that truly changes a franchise over ten years, you can say outside linebacker and von Miller had one year where. Carried them one year. But that Dylan that was an elite defense with von Miller around. Hanley Jackson the homework Denver's not winning Super Bowls without a quarterback with on Miller on that team. He is he and clear MAC are arguably the only two defensive players are really franchise game changers. Game in a game out. But they're not the quarterback, but JJ watt and von Miller can get you can be the difference between an average team in playoff team easily and at a playoff team that even wins a game. Denver hasn't been a playoff team in the last couple of years. I understand that JJ watt carried a team with very little and this is before predated predispo-, all they were a playoff too. And they wanna game or two in the us. They wanna game and had a chance to beat New England one of those years, but but anyway, I get of course, of course, it's the quarterback. So that's and it can change it in a bad way as well. Yeah. Get can hurt you trade up. It's a risky trade. The Robert Griffin trade hurt the Redskins. It was a great move for the year. But it essentially hurt the Redskins losing all of their assets for that. Well, and you also can divide a fan base. If you don't get the right guy looked on the Griffin thing not gonna spend a lot of time with this. Clearly, it was too much to spend for him with all of the flaws, football wise and off the field wise, but it wasn't to more of those years. What eliminated it from having any chance of succeeding was the owner and the owners relationship with that quarterback period end of discussion if they had if the owner had supported the coach and Kyle and Mike had had that quarterback. You would have had a much better chance of that thing succeeding. So let's spend this in a way that I don't necessarily love spinning. But it's a hypothetical and since I'm bluntly honest. I'll I'll pose the hypothetical. Maybe the owner wants that franchise change not this year. Maybe wasn't ready this year. But next year in terms of GM coach, I don't believe that's true. Especially on the GM front. I think Bruce will stay she's. But right now, if there's if there's that hype Athetic of look, I like you guys as evaluators there's a lot I like you. But it hasn't worked out, and I will be moving in a different direction. Don't not tell anybody. He could take over if he wanted to. He could do you think there's a I don't think that's I don't think that's the case. But that is there's something to that. If if they lose tattoo more if they lose ten or more games in two thousand nineteen you still think Bruce will be back. Yeah. Okay. I know you feel that way. I just wanted you to say it to everybody listening to the podcast. I I don't know that I I'm not disagreeing with you. I think there's something going on there, and there's a comfort level. But I also believe that you believe which I believe that that ten or more losses is definitely employed for twenty nineteen and we could be sitting here this time next year. And it's very possible. We could have the same group. Do you think Jay Gruden would survive a double digit law season? I don't think it's likely. Okay. Think Jay Gruden has any influence tonight. We know that he's he's had an influence over guys like mad I and Itis over the receiver from last year that he really really liked in the third round in Doug finally got at the end of the draft Drake win. Right. We we know that Paul Richardson was a guy that he really liked and free. He's had a voice at times. Do you think he's got a voice on the quarterbacks tonight? If they're going to try to draft a quarterback or anybody else, what kind of voice does Jay grew natve tonight. I'm wondering if he has a louder voice than Doug. And I'm gonna I answer the question by saying, I don't know whose voices is heard more. Do you think in that reloaded Doug's? I think Jay the one thing and everybody says this about Jay. And I believe it. I think he evaluates very well. So yes, I think you should have a say in what quarterback has drafted here. All right. Let's get to a couple of things more draft specific, by the way. Here's where it's really interesting. This is specific what if will Greer's his favorite guy, and he's just begging not to take anybody else because he knows get will Greer in the second. He might not be able to get will Grier in the second. And I mean, what if he they have to would will these rare might go before Daniel Jones. I think Daniel Jones right now based on all the later late information is the guy that it would not shock me at all. He gets picked second behind Murray. It's not gonna shot me the night. If that happens, you're gonna you're gonna give us your thoughts on all these quarterbacks. But not only is he a guy that comes out of a system with a coach who has him for the lack of a better description pro ready, but he's got a lot of that play making a mobility as well, let's let's start with that. There's a lot of wanna get to here. Let's start with the quarterbacks because I think a lot of us believe that the quarterback is in play for the Redskins. I know you love Murray. And you've talked about Murray on the podcast your podcast in my podcast about how much how intriguing he is. Even though, you know, the baseball thing and some of the other things you would have to know a lot more about after Murray. Give me your order of people that you like. I like lock. I still I'm not sure on Haskins, but it's a one year system at Ohio State. He may Haskins made so many easy throws. And with so much talent around him. I like there's just such a drop off. Why like lock because he's got guts and he can throw a Acura ball. And there's something to as a as a read the field. Smart. Everything kind of quarterback, Ben at the thing about the thing that everyone has a problem with with lock as he throws off his back foot a ton and he had a big time incompletion rate, and he had some bad games in terms of total yards. You watch him throw balls into tight windows and contested man to man coverage that get bad get knocked down receivers. Don't make plays on. I think he threw more accurate passes. That were incomplete that a lot of guys. Daniel Jones had a ton of drops. But I think lock had a ton of not catch balls that you wouldn't call drops because he didn't have a bunch of baller receivers. He didn't play great against Alabama. And he threw a stupid pick Schorr. Right. But his guys didn't separate and win against Alabama. He came back on the next driving through touchdown. I mean, he had some stuff. He's got something to him where he's a playmaker. You get him a little bit more comfortable in the pocket, and he's gonna make the throws. You want him to make? I think locks got something special about him. And if there's a dude among the quarterbacks GRA too, but he's a dude he's a guy that you respond to. And when you're looking at quarterback, you cannot forget that you're drafting the next leader of your football team. He's freaking Simba of the Lanqing draft a quarterback. And you gotta hold them over the rock and the music. That's gotta be the guy can have a guy that people don't believe in. So there's just a lot to him that I love the rest of the guys you see drop off. I see a big drop off with will Greer will Greer looks like he's thrown a. Shotput when he throws a football. And it doesn't drive off his back leg had a big time completion percentage, but he's playing big ten defenses with couple of Twitter big defenses with a couple receivers. He trusts and loves and what grill like garbage in senior. I wouldn't watch senior practices and good practices. Senior bowl struggles. Throw the ball with. Chris Rex Grossman, by the way, and that's not a bad thing. Rex's good quarterback as short. Short Rex what you said, he's more athletic wreck. Well, I was an athlete high school. I think Greer's much more of a expert and super of I know he did. But I think Greer's much more of a of an extend the play outside the pocket guide and Rex Rex could do that. I think the balls they both have of just thrown it and let it go and being fearless. In terms of throwing picks is a similar, you know attribute. But there's their stuff about Greer that I like what is Greer thought rare is like six two six two and a half. What is Greer? Six one. I think okay. I mean, I've seen will Greer in person and watched him throwing purse in northern Virginia. Right. I heard this today. Six two he sing measured in it. He's six foot two he's fine. Height wise. I heard this today. He doesn't look like he's six two in the pocket. I will Greer. I agree is leaps he looks. He looks smaller. I hear this Brad paisley the country had him on his fan wilburs aheads of understanding NFL offenses more than anybody else. And he said, you know, a lot of the problems will had was just that he was in college offense. I was this was one year ago. And this isn't to say anything bad. I like we're watching him work with one of the quarterback is Paul trough here and mcsorely on from Penn State three five seven step drop in a lot of NFL concepts and truly teaching him. How to read out on an NFL style four verticals, which is one common concert. He wasn't reading four verts a year ago like an NFL quarterback. Okay. So you can't promise me that he's that far ahead of NFL. He's still got to go through that learning progression that he'd hasn't gone through. So none of these guys back to your order after Murray you've got locked next, and then you have Jones after lock. So the thing with Jones is I think Jones could have a very good year for rookie quarterback. I think he'll play attic consistent. Joe flacco he'll play consistently much more mobile Joe flack, but that's the kind of success you'll have the twentieth. Best quarterback. I don't think he's I think Jones getting all of this cut cliff and manning hype. And he's the next Peyton because he's with cut cliff. What does Payton said about Daniel Jones, nothing if he's the next Peyton Peyton going to be hyping, the dude he works. I've been following it. So. I don't I haven't seen much Peyton Peyton said. Daniel Jones, the guy then your comment that he would be the neck quarterback after Murray you've done Peyton likes. And we like pay down said he's the guy, but he's that close to the Manning's right? So I think I think Jones's over the problem. I have with Jones is he didn't take over at Duke. There were a couple games that he had games and he had a ton of drops. But he didn't take over like a manning at Duke. Well, these other guys did the rest of them to even Haskins to some extent made enough big throws in place where you go to Jones did have that one game where he had to sixty odd. Kerry, Anne, seventy are carried through for three hundred. And yeah, I mean run and he's a big dude that can run like he don't like Jones or Haskins with pressure. I stuff around. I can't stand Haskins with pressure period. This is what would scare me. The most is the the pressure the immobility the not great feel in the pocket. Don't think he has any touch and hearing after swing. Here comes the pressure in the first three quarters of that Penn State game in here goes a ball ten feet over somebody said, but in the fourth quarter when they started throwing sideways to guys like Paris Campbell. Those guys are zipping around and run into the end zone. And it was someone said to me you don't like Haskins watch the Michigan game. And I had watched the Michigan state game. Well, if you don't like Haskins watch the Michigan state, you'll go he's not he's not gonna quarterback in that. You know, he's he's far from and that was that's a that was one of the better defenses face that and the Michigan game too. So here's the first thing on Haskins right now lacks. Just us. But I don't know how much he lacks because of lack of lack of continuity scheme. Ohio's states come out in urban Meyer. They're saying, well we change so much because of what he can do. And we ran in a concept to hell you did that Michigan game. They ran what is in west coast terminology would call shallow cross ten yard hook over the ball. And you have a crossing around underneath that high lows and then running back running a real with post over the top. You could throw another shallow cross in the mix from the other side and empty. Eleven times at thirteen. They had six success on that play eight of them through the shallow cross one through the hook money through the rail. When he missed the rail the the running back down the sideline and missed badly. It was over two hundred and four yards. How many points through twenty four seven. They scored a boatload. But hey, great play. You have Paris Campbell on a four yard shallow took it forty five. Actually like Paris Campbell. I love pears care Campbell's, dude, man. Yeah. But that's the thing you have to receivers that Paris. Campbell's potential. I you have the other kid who eighty throughs probably a second or third and you have to other receivers on that roster that will end up being NFL receivers, and you're playing it's not to mention to NFL back certainly one in Weber. Right. And you're playing teams in the big ten where you biscuits states at good defense. They were very good on a couple of these teams. But you don't it's not SEC talent that Michigan state game in the Penn State comeback was all playmakers making plays that that game. I was at the Michigan state game was a gli the Ohio states punter won that game against Michigan state. By knocking Michigan state inside their five yard line. Like five times in the second half after Haskins in the offense went three and out time after time after time, I you know, I don't know how many pixie through in that game. I just remember a bunch of near picks in that game in that game against Michigan state. All right. So you're still not on Haskins. I would be disappointed if they took Haskins at any point fifteen traded up traded back. You know, if they took him in the third round, that's different different. If they take him in the Senate. I just don't want Haskins. I I've never I haven't been a Haskins guy. I want you to tell everybody the two guys you really do like down the board. Second third fourth. Maybe even later that you mentioned to me two guys. You mentioned I liked Clayton. Thorson the quarterback northwestern played the thing that's hard with Orson Zarate such an uptempo all the time all gun, but I think Thorsen can thread the needle I think he can make some big time throws and he had to allot because he doesn't have any seat as big time. Talent at I literally noted this down look slow, but is a little bit sneaky when it comes to scrambling and moving the he struggled with pressure in his face. He didn't always have answers with pressures face, by the way. This is another thing that I love with all of these quarterbacks just use Haskins, for example, all of them. Do it man. They are field generals. Tremendous scrimmage. They get up to the line of scrimmage black, eighty black eighty. Then six guys look to the sideline then Haskins comes back up and start pointing things out. Now, if I cut it on film, right where he's pointing he look he's point here because he sees this. He wants their telling them what to do from the sideline. And that's all of these guys. Right. So this fill general crap. It's not that hard. It's like a smart quarterback has the simple math. You like Ryan Finley too. I do. I just don't know. If I like, I've heard Finley didn't fit in all at NC state. Finley got beat up by ripping Boise state went to NC state was sensually given a job and never fit himself in as the guys the leader. I do know that he is cerebral. I think he's got a big arm. I think he trusses arm a little bit too much. But I think he's an accurate passer who could make some big time throws. I think finley's to me finley's a little bit more Kirk. I think finley's Kirk. Is a good cop. So he's, but you think he can start in the NFL then I don't think he's a printing backup. No, I think you can be a starter in the league, by the way, all of these guys they need a good scheme fit. And they need a good coach that and it's not just every everyone has scheme. It's a coach that understands how to work with them and get them comfortable in their scheme. Lastly on the quarterbacks Jarret stidham, you're still not impressed with right? The thing. That's so hard with stem. Is you see so many negative place? I see so many negative place in Auburn essentially run rate defense in the SEC great defenses. He can throw the ball. He probably you might have the strongest armed sitting. I also think he's great is a bootleg quarterback outside. I threw the ball on the accuracy. You're right. I think he he lacked a ton accuracy on the move. And so I think that was a problem for them. But stem is a he's another guy that lost a job transferred Trent. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a big stadium guy. But stem is one of those guys that could come in and develop over two or three years and we'll see, but he's not a first rounder. A first rounder is not a developmental guy. All right. So the quarterback jerk quarterback board. Actually, my board right now, I have my marine lock in the first round. And I don't really wanna take anybody else in the I do you think lock at fifteen to too high. I would take him. Okay. You would take lock at fifteen. You would not take Askins fifteen. You wouldn't take anybody else? Other than Murray or lock in the first round if areas fifteen changes at twenty four twenty five twenty six it does change a little bit. So if they were able to trade back, and by the way, everybody I love the conversation about I just want him to trade back and at number one thing fans wanted fifteen. Yeah. But but understand this you need someone that's willing to trade up and the trading back doesn't always work out. And I pointed this out the Ryan Kerrigan year, they traded back. They picked up all these picks, and they got Grank arrogant, and they didn't draft J J watt who went up pick after where they were before they traded back with Jacksonville. I want major impact players. I don't care where that comes from. They need stars. They need. What do they need will kind of chippers? Do they need how many more blue chippers? Do they? They need. They need more. You need six blue chip players on your team at any given 'em. How many do they have right now? We'll see what Joe Johns getting close to being a blue chip you can say Carrigan because of his because of his numbers. Here's why he's not you don't game plan for him. Right. I don't think I to be honest with you. I love Landon Collins is box safety player, but he's not a playmaker. As a box safety player. You meant to say. Yeah. And it's not like he can't play over the top. But he's a reading react player more. So than he is in an attack the ball type of player. So I think he's still on that cusp of blue chip. I don't think he's I love him Trent Williams, which waves blue chip player is a blue chip brand sheriff's blue-chip player. Brashest been battling with injuries. Man. Why do you think they haven't gotten extension done? I don't know. That's another podcast. I just wonder whether or not he wants an extension. I would've done that extension. The second. He hurt his leg. I know. You you mentioned it then I don't have a problem doing an extension. So you draft all these guys or you draft guys, and you get these phenomenal deals for five years. But the way it out over ten in you could have extended Brandon sheriff after three and done it for forty five instead of sixty six it's gonna end up saving you money. I just wonder whether or not he wants to sign an extension. Yes. You think he does? I think he does will then why hasn't been done. Jay Gruden said at the combine or errors owner wherever this is something that we wanna get done sooner rather than later. I here's here's I don't wanna spend marriage. Why it doesn't get done? Okay. Because players don't necessarily want to take the initiative to get it done in. They're going to trust their agent his agents going to say, we'll look at the last three guard contracts there, sixty six million dollar contracts and the agent doesn't wanna factor into Zach. Martin's was eighty four million. Martin was insane. The agents don't wanna factor into the equation that you're not getting a open market free agent deal your getting an extension and so an extension is essentially twenty percent less. Just is in its twenty percent to thirty percent. Last because of security. Let's just we've learned something in that is if you don't get something done and you allow that player to inch towards unrestricted free agency. Then the player wants to get to unrest unrestricted free agency. Now, they can use the franchise Brandon. Jeff I'm saying good look at Zack Martin martinsville. Yeah. Look at that look at the top four deals, and you're gonna pay me you're gonna pay that dollars a year. So I'll take that. Yeah. All right on this draft players that are projected to be in that number fifteen area, and you've read some mock drafts, we're not talking about Nick, bows, or Quin Williams are are Kylie Marie. But guys that would be in that fifteen area that you like that you'd be happy with tonight and a couple of players that if they drafted fifteen you would you'd be disappointed with. So I am not in the mindset of trading down. Because I think you're going to get a player that you really like at fifteen I think there are going to be enough of them there. I really. Like the potential of getting the kid out of Florida, Florida state earns. I think he's awesome. He is explosive. He is. He's not a project as a pass rusher. He has multiple moves. He spends. Well, he plants his lateral. Quickness is insane. He ran a seven one three cone at the combine ran a four five four. He put he was up to two forty nine. He played. I heard it to twenty seven at Florida state last year. But this whole he can't play the run. At three four outside backer at two fifty will have zero problem play in the run your taking on tight ends a bunch. You're rarely taking on double teams. It's not as hard to hold the point as people make it out to be actually learned that when I was playing tied and practicing on the other side is as three or four linebacker going. I hold you right here. No problem. That's not as hard as people make it out to be. So I don't I'm not worried about the run. And I'm not worried about him being situational as everybody makes it I think he can be an every down player you played eighty five plays a game at Florida state. He never came out. So I really like burns. I liked Cleland. Farrell a ton at Clemson. He's a big doodo see at three four outside linebacker. He's not a speed rusher. He's fast. He looks more. Like a d. You want the end in a four three. Yes. Yes. But here's why he's not a speed rusher. It's not as speed it's because when he punches he separates his feet and opens up his base too much instead of utilizing his hips through his punch if that makes sense at all like punches and then widens feet a little bit. If he could translate his hands to his feet. He is he is a fast player. He's off the ball quick. He's got a big time up and under move. He makes tackles move. One of my favorite clips as watching the Alabama game, which by the way, amazing because you watch Alabama. Clemson, you're like, this is cool. I can I can Scott players out at the same time. He trips a little bit off the ball. So as hands fall into as he's falling for into Joan Williams. The first round tackle takes another step recovers himself, and then takes his right arm and clubs Joan Williams onto his back. I mean, he is incredibly he's like Dexter Manley strong. Like, you see this? I promise you when you watch them, you see this unbelievable strength, and I just relate that to planning Julius peppers. You put a tight end on him. And he is watching titans back into the backfield joke he is taking tackles and displacing them. He is moving the line of scrimmage. He is a pain in the ass. He's the guy that I had to put it. I would have had to play against that. I walked into the game going. This is going to be the mother. He's a pain in the ass. And so I like him a lot are you like Farrell like burns back to burns for one second before we get to other players that you like it at fifteen that you would would not have a problem with. So burns to me was in watching, you know, the the tape of him and I remembered him from the few Florida state games. But in a Florida state wasn't that good? So he flashes like any flashes though, in in a weird way in that. When I watched him, and maybe it's the weight may be played at two twenty five at four to state maybes to fifty now whatever, but he looked so rail thin and so tall in the lanky and upright, and I I don't know the answer to this. But I just wondered in by the way in the ACC you played some offense of teams who had not not not when you play Clemson or when you played Louisville. But you played some teams with some in the pocket immobile quarterbacks. And I just I was one I know everybody's enamored with burns. And if they end up taking him, I'm not going to have a major problem with it. But he just looked totally different then sweat, then the guy from Florida polite, who's not going to go in the first round because of character issues. But he didn't look like that quick twitch edge. He looked like the tall lanky who disagree with. Okay. I think he looked quick twitch. He's playing Virginia Tech and they stunt him from the end down over the center a three-man stunt the quarterback scrambles out to the right away from where he came from. And he hawks that dude down to yards outside the opposite hash do you think? Change sweat, his change it. Yes. His really sweats more powerful sweats. Also quick sweats. Got great quicks. Did you? Look at polite dominated by wise, polite. Like ask you to do another number ninety nine guys. I I like plight by the way when I did burns my whole notebook. It was just random by chance on page ninety nine how about that. But I mean, so just burns for a second errol's ninety nine to fair Ferrell's ninety nine two but sweaters burns. No. So I was nine nine nine four nine. I think sweat was number nine. I think I think what was nine. Nobody cares, but his lateral quicks burns. Awesome. His. His like stop to reversed. Awesome. The thing was or the thing with burns his he's getting those left tackles to overset and create an inside edge. What was really interesting with him that I that. I thought was all of his real speed moves his spin is hard up and under came off his right side against the left tackle all of his power came off the left side against the right? Tackle has power move. Was was a hard one arm stab, right? But he scares tackles. And he's able to get inside. I just I think he's he's a pretty special pass rusher. He's I think he's the the quickest up the field pass rusher in the street who else it fifteen would you be excited about? I like monkeys Brown. I mean, everyone's going to say first of all everyone's gonna say Hawkins, and he's just not going to be there. Right. We go through all of that. He's not the fifteenth best player in this draft. But that position in what he does is so valuable that it makes him that. Like, I don't find most big boards have him as a top ten kind of player, regardless of where he would get picked. You don't think he I think that the first of all the first thing you hear everyone say is because he can block and he can get down the field. He he's special. The other thing that I've heard a ton on Hawkin is man he can beat the press. So we can't he's a freaking magnet. He's getting pressed to death. He is down the field five yards, and he can't get off of safeties running into it. Now, he's a good route runner in open space. But he isn't that sexy separator MandA, man. He's not we're not a lot of tied in easy to press. Yeah. I don't. I think I was I don't think I was as good if the press, but at the same time, I didn't split out very much in college. I didn't split out very much in my first couple years in the league. So my press was can I slip with three four backer or make sure doesn't jam me up. I was also good enough at creating leverage on a safety coming down. Racket move him to not be pressed Hopkinson hasn't done that as much as I'd like to see him do that that said he can still stress the field as a why he can still he's got great hands. He is a good route runner went on touch and keep in mind who else where you're gonna jam and press it Isla. And by the way, it wasn't Noah Fant, I don't like Noah fan. Okay. And a lot of people have him say first round. He is not a first rounder in my opinion. But he is in age is our Smith better know, Irv Smith is more Jordan Reed. Like, yes. Yes. To answer. Your question Irv Smith is better than no fan. I would take earth Smith if I needed Jordan Reed on my team or Ingram before I would take no questions asked. There's a big drop off after after hawk. It's the kid outta Stanford. Cadence Smith, I think spent some time watching there's he's a titan. He's not a great heap. He's high. He's these not a dynamic blocker comes out when they go into their heavy personnel group too. Probably because he's not what about the guy from San Diego State. He's crazy. Like all of the sudden rise. I saw him in person. He is he looks like gronkowski to me. He's Jain Norma's. He would be the one intriguing one. I just what about the guy from UCLA. I've talked to the guy from UCLA through one hundred passes to it seemed like the when he was there and all deep balls because that's all rose and throws. Cannot block anybody but he can get down the field. He's an age. But the tight end position now is essentially divided into wise. And and that's why Hopkinson is. So that's why we're so enamored with Hopkinson because he is Jason Witten. He is what I played. He I mean, he can do. He's told me he's that guy that lines up on the ball. You can wipe them out three or four steps. I don't think that you can widen them out as as a receiver by himself right now in he'll win gets dragged people to he's his run L jumped people he's run after the catch is he's athletic. No trust me. I like him. He's a top ten pick. But this rumor that he's going to beat the press like crazy is fiction. Anybody else you mentioned Mark mentioned Brown. And I mean to me, I I love Paris Campbell to and you potentially get Paris Campbell. Maybe you could get him in the second round. Although I think that's becoming less likely as well. I said yesterday, I would not have a problem. Fifteen if the Redskins took Markey's Brown sounds own either. No, no problem whatsoever. He is crazy explosive. He is impossible to cover his quick out of the top of his brakes is anybody in this draft. He's desha Jackson in terms of double moves down the field. And he's patient, and he sells stuff he's he's going to be a special player. There's no doubt about it. And also he is a guy that they line up everywhere. So I I know that he can understand it and get it. He's good. He's he's legit. Good. He these are this receiver groups really interesting because everybody says right now. Hey, look there six second rounders you look at Paris Campbell. You look at Nicole, Harry, the decay Metcalf. I don't like to Metcalf at all I like Paris camp. And the first time you so to me he looks like a workout warrior, which he was and all the measurable 's. But not a football player. I. Decay Metcalf at fifteen would be my number one least favorite pick. I know what your other one would be Devin Bush. Yes. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that in second. But yet Paris Campbell. I love you like you like to kill Harry or not I don't like him with number one. I do like him a lot with your second. He's not a true scare you a speed guy. And he's not a true separator guy. He's more of a desk Brandt kinda guy ends phenomenal. After the catch. You see some big time plays after the catch. He's got good hands. I think he's got something to him. Interesting thing when the kill Harry's for not as fast as you see a lot of like six seven stutters at the line of scrimmage before it gets off the ball. Do just shoulder down your big, dude and run through the hand. He's trying to be a little bit too nifty. But then you do see routes where he has just a one stick at the top that he's coming out of things with some really good separation. He's a better separator than people are giving him credit for but he's not a first round separator. And he doesn't have quite that speed that that in and out speed that I look like so I do like him as a second kind of guy you like AJ. Brown. Love AJ Brown. I think AJ Brown is the toughest receiver in this group. It's funny because you watch ole miss play, and you watch AJ Brown, and you watch decay Metcalf and decay Metcalf is as big beast, and he doesn't wanna touch anybody. It's not like he won't put a shoulder down every once in a while, but he'll also run out about. But as far as blocking. Not wanna touch anybody. I also think decays gonna get injured a bunch of times. I think his body type in the way runs moves. He's injury kinda guy but AJ Brown. He's showing up cross he's blocking like Clinton Portis used to block down the field. He's getting after. But he's also very good route runner, and he's got a knack for a lot of things. And by the way, if they had not the worst quarterback in college football, which I mean, that's debate. I don't even I don't even know his name. But he was Herenton number ten. Yeah. How do you have the two? How do you have to potential I receivers? And I know I know AJ AJ brownwood if aged Brown played at ole miss or skews me at miss Missouri with lock or at another one of these schools with a decent quarterback. He's he's a top twenty pick. He he might sneak into the first round. What about the offense of linemen if the Redskins end up if this isn't a dance Neider draft, and they're not gonna take the quarterback. And they're gonna take the best player available and they're trying to build a roster. The way you build a roster think. About you know, not just short term. But long term. They're few offense of linemen in this draft that can play guard and that could eventually play tackle Lindstrom's guard. And and he did you look at him or not I ask you to look at him last night. No, did I was you asked me to look at ten o'clock know early name. So I thought it was earlier than crazy when you start watching. I've watched eighty guys what about Joe so any of the offensive lineman. Joe Williams is a baller. He's he's a baller. Yes. And he's a Bama guy. And I think we have to consider a year before Trent Williams contract's up or right and make choice. Cody Ford's also, very good player junior. Coming out, Cody Ford, outta Oklahoma. Don, risers, my favorite prospect in this draft of all prospects. Kansas state he'll play anywhere across the line. And what everyone says is not left tackle, except he played left tackle exceptional lockdown. Sweat for an entire game. I think had one pressure when I watched that game against Mississippi State. So Mississippi State play case, they use your. Yeah. If you watch or anything that Don rising hurston podcast listen to him. You will walk away and go I love to. I actually sent him. A message on Twitter. I was like, dude, you're awesome. And I met him at Redskins park. All right. He was he he will. He is one of those guys. Right. He was. I don't think you lower guys because of the interview process too much because I think that there's this natural tendency to not like people that aren't like you. But he is one of those guys that if he was a late second before he went to those senior bowl or whatever meetings, and the combine meetings jumped into the first just because of his interview process, by the way, sweat had a sack three tackles for loss and the game against case day, not against reisner though, and Mississippi State blow out. But not against reisner thirty ten right? Anybody else sweat? Well. Yeah. I mean sweats my guy, but you gotta know the medical like, there's this a lot of I don't hardly he's had all, you know, his whole life. So that's crazy scary if monta sweats, they're fifteen and he's okay. Or, you know, remember they sorta got that break with Jon Allen. You know, it wasn't a heart were related issue. But you know, the arthritic shoulder concerns that dropped Alan. If sweat drops to fifteen to me, he was a guy that eventually you're going to have to game plan for your would agree in the NFL that you gotta know that he's of course, of course, the other guy that I I like, it's amazing. These corners have all fallen. I know you like, you know, not at fifteen he at fifteen. We'll everyone likes physicality I like Williams, greedy Williams was a baller, greedy. Almost shaka's. Knock is night. Doesn't wanna come up and tackle in the short arms. I thought he doesn't wanna come. The biggest knock is that. He's soft in the run game. Yeah. Who cares? In the game today in the in the game today. Do we have a guy that can cover, and I think greedy Williams has really fluid in his transition from his back pedal to turn and run. He's got he's got flow type hips. I think he's a he's tough. How much do you like how much do you like Devon white? He's not gonna not to be otherwise five players in the Strath easily devastates a baller such a baller wooded. You think might not might not be there after five right? What about at Oliver who's not gonna make fifteen either? I mean, I know their character issues, but to me tear drafting a guy that could become Fletcher Cox, Aaron Donald I would agree with that. And what's amazing Jon Allen never going to be Aaron Donald? It's gonna be a really good player for a long period of time. Aaron Donald is next level explosive. Right. And I think at all of our has some of that next level. We're John so successful is this technique, and he's so powerful, but I stack Necas exceptional. All of our is a. Bad mother stop in the run game. He's in the backfield. And I think he's a better pass rusher. Then he got credit. I don't think a bunch of. I don't think you have very many sacks your, but he's getting doubled every single time. And when you translate into the NFL, you can't just double one player when you got other at Oliver is going to be a big time pro now, he he would be an int-. I mean, if at all ever were there and all of the character stuff checked out. And if it does then he's more likely than not not going to be there wouldn't be there. Fifteen Belichick say is because a bunch of quarterbacks go because he's an interior defensive linemen would that bother you. Because you've taken back to back years. Jon, Allen, Doron pain. Are you gonna take the best player vailable in your board? Even if he's defensive tackle. No, no what I'm not gonna take him. There's going to be other players that are close enough close enough. I think there's going to be three or four guys at fifteen give me the list of players and before we do that. Let me get a quick read in here for. For launch workplaces. If you're looking for new office space fully furnished offices brand new in the Bethesda area consider launch workplaces. 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You mentioned a couple already couple of the players that are projected to be somewhere in that ten to twenty range that if the Redskins took it fifteen you'd be disappointed with looking at Bucky Brooks mock draft right now, and he's got no offense going to the bills at nine. I punt. I'd go burn my notebook for other research that I did on guys, by the way isn't going to the Redskins at all. But I know fans not first round pick. Yeah. In my opinion. I you know, there's one guy you just mentioned no fan, no fan decay Metcalf. Men. Cow. Do not he is not a get the ball to in any down kind of player, which means in my opinion. He's not. I Trump pick. And I don't there's just too much don't like about decay Metcalf. Any all linemen at fifteen. I don't particularly like I think you can find guards down the list. I think you can find guards. Although it would be interesting just because I said my guy Dalton reisner, but I don't think I think fifteen too high for him Devon white linebacker at up in Bush Bush linebacker out of Michigan. He's getting so hyped. And I think a lot of it is combine stuff, which is crazy in its. I mean, he was four four fast forty inch vertical. Unbelievable intangibles in terms. What ability? I don't think it's playmaker. I watched I literally went through eight Michigan games. I spent through a lot of these. Because in the first two games. I said why is he blitzing on every impactful passing down? And I came to this very clear resolution. They don't trust him to cover can cover man to man. But if they wanna play zone he and his own cover guy. So you're talking about an under sized to down inside linebacker bright. He's an undersize Brown in my opinion. Now trust me sideline to sideline speed is their spouses their violence is there. I'm not saying he's a bad player. But I don't think he's a fifteen overall pick. And by the way, he can get picked easy in man coverage. I don't think he's got his head on us well enough, and I think he gets lost in terms of reading the run game. And then Lastly, I used to say this about Perry Riley all the time. I love is go make the play stop running to your gap. If you don't have to run to your gap, and I see that with Devon Bush. Is stop running to a gap. When there's a clear line to the ball. I think that he could take more clear line risks to the ball. I think he gets caught in the wash. I think he over seas things with his eyes. You know, how many pixie add zero FOMC he had zero and he had sixty tackles as a starting inside linebacker. You not very many about Perry Riley, you you laughed in you mocked Perry. Riley one day on the show that you do all funny because you said that the play was going in one direction, and you showed it and he was running in the opposite direction. It was three seconds. After the ball was thrown takes off the other direction on that happen. All right. So it's called instincts for the ball Metcalf. You would be very disappointed with Devon Bush you'd be very disappointed with any of the offensive lineman. You'd be disappointed, although it is really interesting of John Williams did fall the fifteen like, I mean, I know fifteen he is your number one rated player on your bore. You've already said that any quarterback not named Murray would be a disappointment. That'd be cool. Lock. You would be fine with lobby. Yes. Okay. What what about Rashawn, Gary? I am concerned with Rashawn. Gary's ability to stay on the field you and I'm also not blown away by his pass rush ability. He's he's like a poor man's Cleland. Farrell to me. That's that's like feral. But yeah, he's a big strong, dude. He can push the edge back in the run game. He can create some penetration. I don't seem as dynamic pass rusher. And he doesn't play. He's out a lot. When you watch. Michigan playing limited downs. Why? College players don't rotate like there was a lot of plays that, you know, for those that have watched a lot of tape of Gary that he took off always. Yeah. He he's he's a guy because he's tired, right? Who else anybody else you'd be disappointed with fifteen? I don't. So the corner out of Washington Murphy. Byron murphy. Yeah. They played so much zone that it's hard to say what he is. He I think he's got more ball hog skills than he's giving credit for you see him really trying to bait quarterbacks. But he's beat a lot trying to bake quarterbacks zone corner. I don't want corner. Fifteen. Okay. So by rumors. He would be a guy that I would take further down the west real quickly. Just back to lock who you would take. And you'd be fine with them taking lock at fifteen and Murray, obviously before even if they had to trade up from for Murray, if they took lock at fifteen would you feel that they would have done better to traded fifteen for Rosen if that was even available. No. So you like lock more than Rosen. Rosen's. Here's the crazy thing for me with Rosen some of his college film, his NFL films bad in his boss acuity is horrendous which scares me to death. But you watched some of these college games that he played in. I went back and watch ever UCLA game. You can get through like the USC into third quarter near saying there's not even a doubt that he's the number one quarterback taken. He's that frigging good. But then you start seeing play him soft, and he's got some FU throws. He does not want to throw the ball underneath. And I don't think he throws the ball accurately underneath the Arizona Betty incomplete. I will guarantee you he in completed more screen passes. Then he completed a happen. Same thing with Haskins with the with the swing stuff and bright. Like, I lacks Todd Haskins got this long along that process when he has to speed it up or on the move. He's incredibly accurate. I both of them are very technical quarterbacks in the pocket, and they do things that that you gotta teach quarterbacks in a big way. But as soon as they have to speed up or change that process. Neither of them can get out of pocket. I cast his another guy gets into the NFL sector boatload. If he plays next year. And he checks down a bunch if he's not sacked in its ugly. Okay. I don't think I don't think that's going to happen. Anyway, I think that's been off for a while. Now. I mean, anything I don't think one of I don't think it's off. Okay. Are you saying that as a hunch or that, you know, something I know nothing I'm saying that I don't believe all the reports about that. That Rosen that the Rosen things is dead. I just for a couple of weeks. Now, I've I've had I felt based on a couple of conversations at this wasn't going to happen. And I don't specifically know that reason why I think one of the reasons could be that. I think the obvious reason is Aaron wants too much and the Redskins aren't willing to give up what they want. I also think one of the reasons potentially could be that Rosen. Maybe doesn't wanna be here. Not that it's his choice. But that may be he preferred to be traded elsewhere. And the possibility does exist that Rosen ain't going anywhere because they're not gonna draft Murray. Let me just tell you. This Rosen has not been. Told one thing. People that have talked to his agent have come back and said, they know nothing, right. It has been completely hush in terms of what sure the future with Rosen his. So the idea that he doesn't want to be here not the case. And also no teams can talk about Rosen because his hampering. So you don't have anyone talking about Rosen. I understand. I'll just tell you this right now if you did that deal that was that was floated around there. In the last month a second potentially next year's third and a fifth. I do it right now. I like him enough to do a second next year third and a fifth. I agree with that versus take anyone in the first round. That's that's been my position that if you if you get him for that package. I would do it. I do actually like Rosen more than any other quarterback with the exception of the intrigue about Cuyler Murray. The thing that I wouldn't do trade fifteen for Rosen. But the thing that I would be upset about is if they used fifteen on Jones locker Haskins I would have rather sent fifteen AirAsia for for Rosen. I would have preferred that I don't think the Rosen deals dead for any team until you've conclude the second round of the draft. I think AirAsia will will hope to get somebody trading back into the it would be dead. If they didn't take aero Ariza, and it's not dead because there are a lot of teams that need to hear what I just said. It would be dead if they didn't take color Murray. Yeah. Okay. It's dead. Yeah. It's dead there. But if if they don't money red flag on Murray. No. I don't think it would be a red flag on Murray if cliff Kingsbury who many people think was brought to errors Zona to coach Camry, and they didn't and they didn't take him. Now, I don't think that there's a massive red flag on Murray. It just means that they like rose and more than me. And it also means that they don't wanna give pick away of number ten from the year before when you're looking at a guy like Jared Goff who flopped in his first year. And then had a quarterback's guru. And all of a sudden he's Jared Goff. They it would be saying they believe that much cliff Kingsbury versus they don't believe in Cuyler Murray, in my opinion. Also, you a real bad. If you look the Arizona this bad spot for them. They could look real bad either way, you really bad if you trade Rosen to somewhere, and he has very good success this year, even if Murray has excess you still look bad if you trade him for a second or third. So I think that they're in their predicament. But you also you also look bad if you don't draft Murray, and he's the MVP he's new the new Patrick Mahomes, then you bad as well. So I think they're in a tough spot. But you look at anyone that could can't count. The dolphins trading back into the first round get like twenty five to trade that picked AirAsia. You can't we can't count out that New York wouldn't take him at seventeen trade that Pickett seventeen. They're waiting to get. I. It's just harder. The longer you wait. When teams have already started all of their off-season stuff on the quarterback like this deal for Rosen in gonna happen unless there's an injury in July or done anything in the offseason besides lift weights. I know you say that all the time yet they talk about how important it is to have a new quarterback in a new system from around his guys. I mean, remember when came in and he was doing bench presses. Remember this to the Redskins right now only have two healthy quarterbacks. The guy Josh whatever his name was that they signed last week to be a training camp quarterback. All right. Here's a good for example, the raiders at twenty four they're also at twenty seven. They don't like their guy where they could make a move at twenty seven. It's insane. The page I wouldn't trade in the patriots. But none of new I thirty to anybody could try in mcshea said, there's no way the patriots are going to trade for Rosen. He does think that the chargers are in play with their twenty pick for Rosen. The biggest mistake the Redskins could make tonight would be what? The biggest mistake you can say anything shaping up to take askings. Okay. I agree with that trading up to take any quarterback other than Murray Murray. I would understand it. I don't know that I would love it. But I would understand it. If I told you what if I told you that it was a short thing that lock was going to go at ten and if he wasn't going to go at ten that. It was a sure thing that he was going to go at thirteen. I wouldn't trade up for lock. I I'm with you. I don't I would I wouldn't take lock at fifteen in locks the one I liked lock remember when we had the first conversations. And I said you you're gonna hate Haskins, but you're gonna like lock more, and I like Greer a little bit. And if I would rather them in night to use that third round compensatory pick is a way to move up few spots to take Greer. I would rather them do that. I actually wouldn't mind if they took stood him in the third rent. I I like him. But. Whatever I really just want this team right now given their position to take really good football players like the best football players that are out there and not even worry about if it's a quarterback or a need. I think Bruce thinks he got himself a steel with case keenum, so let case keenum start next year for the good quarterback class. Here's another mistake. Trade back in the first and not get a guy right like when they didn't get JJ watt like trade trade back in the first to say twenty four with Oakland who wanted to move up to take Haskins pick up an act like, you know, because you could get some real value if Haskins on the board and someone wants fifteen that could give you real value to trade back in this draft. Okay. I think that's why a lot of people are so interested in trading back this year because you could have Haskins or Haskins lock or any combination. And all these guys in someone want to move up to get him. But then let's say you get all the way back and you're like. Who we're gonna take here? I don't know. Let's take Jonathan Abram the safety sippy say, by the way, he's a beast. I like do the thirty eight he he that that actually might that should stop that. I just read a name that defense was saw some he is my favorite player on that defense. I think he's gone, right? And I think he's a nickel corner. I'm nichole. He's a great player. Plus, I mean is he is he big enough? I think he's a nickel. Okay. You think he's a nickel? I think he played nickel more than he played safety at Mississippi say, they call them safe because he said safety is even six feet. I don't I don't really don't care, by the way. I think there's a lot of good safeties that you can get you know, Maryland had the Redskins had Darnell savage in recently. And he's flying up the boards, Maryland safety, and I did get to see him play a lot and he was by far and away their best defensive playmaker on a bad defensive football team. He you know, he turned in that four three five or whatever was at the combine. And he is a grocery to. He's an aggressive player. I I had a question. And now, I forget what it was. Okay. So trading up the trade back thing if they trade back because somebody wants Haskins fifteen first of all I be shocked passan's there at fifteen and the Redskins don't take them. I would be surprised about that. I would not like it. But I would be surprised that that but to your point like trading back to twenty four, and let's just say they get Jonathan Abram like the safety that they want to go side by side with Collins. And that's great, but they missed out. Out on sweat or for you missed out on burns. The next what? And or von Miller, that's not what I want. I want a true blue chip player yet. Then interacts the game. If you trade back. Everybody that you wanted on your board better gone. More there better be five guys that you want on your board still there, you know, what one or the other you better not trade back just for the purpose of trading back one of the problems. And I mentioned this the other day, let's have been exceptional in the second round over the last few years. So maybe pick up another one of the things that I don't like I think people fall into this trap. And I'm not saying, it's always wrong. But it's definitely not always right either. Is this perception in Doug mentioned it yesterday? And I don't even know, you know, if we should take what Doug says is gossip anyway, but he said, you know, better chance trade back and trade up. There's this feeling that teams have and then even fans have that trading back is so smart, you're so smart you traded back, and you got these extra picks. All we'll get a smart. They are. Okay. Except you missed out on Brian burns, you missed out on sweat or you missed out on JJ watt, and you ended up with one Thornhill who by the way to safety. I liked from Virginia. Have you watched him? He is a good Virginia defensive sneaky. They've been sneaky good with that with that coach around pack line there. Well, they do in basketball. But but anyway, I you also need a willing partner in to your point. If there's a quarterback there fifteen you could you could actually leverage that in a way that isn't typical of moving back, and I wouldn't be against it. But I just want him to get a great player. I don't want them to pass on a great player on their board to pick up an extra third round pick to move back a few spots. I wanted to also did I already ask this or not is there anybody that's worth trading up for other than Murray in this draft in your in your opinion, anybody else they could trade up for that. You'd be like, yeah, I'm for that Hopkinson. Okay. But I'm not talking about trading the nine the who's sitting there at thirteen. Well, the the province right now. He's not getting by Green Bay. He may not get by Jacksonville. You don't know that green? As not gonna take marquees Brown. Okay. All right. I did want to look real quickly at the Alabama players in this draft because we'd be stupid not to consider the possibility that the Redskins have a lot of Alabama players on their draft board. Right. Yeah. And you'd be stupid to consider the possibility that they didn't call in other current Alabama players and sit him down. And right. What's he like, what's he like, what's he like? Let's let's go and order. They're they're not gonna chance Quinn Williams. They may have a chance of Jona Williams, the offensive tackle. I know what you don't. You think? He'll be gone. He's gonna go. Okay. I wouldn't be surprised if the giants took him Alabama. They're not going to be in the market for a running back in Josh Jacobs, isn't even my favourite running back, Irv Smith, they may have a chance at, but you wouldn't take our Smith at fifteen and you've already said that you like them, but you don't love them. Yeah. I like him. Don't love him the player that they are going to take at some point as a bet you they they're gonna take the towns. I'll bet you almost anything I somehow someway will end up being their free safety. And by the way, if you were to get the guy out of miss Mississippi State, Abram Abram, he's not the free safety. He's a nickel in my opinion. Okay. I would place him tomorrow as your nickel. He's smart. He's tough play their own play the past nickel. Deontay? Thompson is a six one two hundred pounds safety started. Bama he would be he would be another Alabama player on their defense. He would fill a need because he's more free than box, which which is Landon some struggles time, but he he can go red line to Redline. Got some speed got some playmaker. But he got a position at times. That's the one that that I looked to and said, oh, it's he's a Redskin. Chart it. Yeah. There's also down the board. There's a guy Christian Miller who was an outside linebacker for for Alabama that I could see the Redskins taking, you know, fourth fifth round something like that just another Bama player. It's the Oakland other guy that didn't play as much on exactly like Shawn Deehan Hamilton different player, but hurt, but as a prospect, which also by the way, I don't wanna take a linebacker because you have both your Alabama inside linebackers, and I liked schon Hamilton right now after watching Redskins film because I think he's incredibly instinctual. He's going to he's going to gain speed and ability, agility, whatever it is. Because of he's coming off that injury. He'll be better than people expect. I think you have any optimism about Ryan Anderson. Ryan Anderson has got to be healthy. He's been hurt a bunch over the last couple years or nagging injuries. Right. And I would say no as a pass rusher of Trent Murphy didn't do it. He didn't his third year. He changed. Who he was as a pass rusher in his third year? He became dynamic passer. I like a lot of what Anderson does plays with good technique plays within himself. I don't think he's blazing fast. But I think he's got enough power that if he's got one or two speed moves he's gonna be able to use that power sagana. I'm not gonna just count out Ryan Anderson, but I'm also not passing on a troop burst edge rusher. And just so we know you don't you're not deep it outside linebacker right now. I know, and you still don't have what you just said you still do not have that. Speed fear inducing pass rusher. You don't have that you need that. You have to have that. See I thought it was really interesting last year when you knew you had to know that you weren't gonna be able to sign president Smith because you should be able to do that inventory that they played Preston Smith when the season was over right instead of just playing right Anderson start the last two games of the season. There's another player that they didn't do that. With at forgetting here from. At a position they didn't play Fabien Moreau enough. He was heard no not at the end Fabian played outside. I thought if you looked at his snap count. It wasn't enough. I think he played I think he started the last four weeks corner outside. I wanna I wanna get to a couple of other things because we're now how long have we gone on this thing. And I want to get it out. And I want people to be able to hear it before the draft starts. All right. I want to do sort of a quick mock draft that leads us to fifteen and then what we think they should do and what they will do but real quickly because I just asked you what the worst thing they could do overall gist. If you were in charge of this draft. What would be the best thing that the team can do or that you would do with this draft? What's thing that they could do overall not just tonight, but through this weekend that you would feel really good about like a philosophy or a player or two that they take or a position or two that they fill what what would make this a successful weekend? They'll positions of need with impact players will play for you. Don't just acquire players that are on your board. I would always draft. I know that. But the best thing that they could do is in their first pick in an edge rusher and with their second pick at a safety get a safety or corner. Third pick a wide receiver third pick a versatile tight end. Maybe he's not as versatile as Hopkinson, but get versatile type tight end who can move that can warring were to fall into the third round draft. Worrying in the third round get a guard in the fourth round who you believe in is going to start with you or receiver in the second round. Who you like they're going to be guys in every round that filled big needs. You don't have receivers right now. You need a corner you need it. Why tight end you need an outside rusher. You didn't fill those voids and free agency. Yeah. I saw in round one two and three here here. Let me this is the best thing they can do in rounds. One two and three get three starters. With have had success in the second round with starters three rounds. Three starters. Okay. And you got to shots in the third as of right now, by the way, quickest side, do they love Kayla? Brantley. Like are they really intrigued by Kayla? Brantley CPI said that loved Kayla. Brent Caleb rent when I went back. I think you and I were doing the show together. And I was watching Florida film Caleb. Renton was a first round pick Caleb. Renton had some issues I like Kayla. Brantley a lot. Which is another reason why it's just insane drafted D lineman. You have Caleb Renton Tim settle Jonathan Allen. Matt just jumping right now. You should be. Okay. They're out of your out of. Chris none of those players are blowing in Wilkins was there at fifteen out of your thirty best players Oliver. You're thirty players on your roster five of them five of them are detectives, let's do a mock we want to stop the run with Stewart mock draft to to to finish this mock draft, I wanna pen. No. So I can write it down. I'll write it down for you. Okay. Okay. You ready? No. I don't have an extra piece of paper to write down and handed to who gets the first pick. Flipping flippity ready? Here we go. Here's the tea. And so we're going to do this without trades for. We're going to you have to do without traits. Don't we? We don't have to do without. You wanna we want you to hear? I we're going to do it. Anyway, we can do traits. I won't do nothing. Nothing ridiculous. That means you're going to go first. But here's my you heard it here. First what the cardinals are gonna shop that I pick. Would you try to number one if the Redskins all okay, you just said you trade up to three for Murray complete? You understand the difference of one and three I do understand. And by the way, this is something I made this point yesterday or the day before I forget if you traded up really like to three or into the top five you're gonna have to give up next year's number one. And you know what? Next year's number one's going to be a top five top ten, you know, it's not going to be that bad. They'll find out how much better is it going to be a way to get at least fourteen. Okay. Well, that might be eight wins might be seven could be seven because seven this year. Equal fifteen. Okay. All right. You're on the clock now. So I'm gonna let you go first because I are Aaron Cuyler Murray. I really think that's going to happen. I don't I just still believe that cliff Kingsbury was hired. So that they could draft kinda Murray he could coach him in his scheme. I don't I don't. That's what I, but I also think is air raids game fits some other guy chosen San Francisco is gonna take Bosa. San Francisco's gonna case San Francisco Bosa to San Francisco all right at number three overall, the New York Jets, don't trade it. They take win Williams. I like that pick. They are going to trade that pick though. All right. I didn't trade it. You can trade any you know, you want. You can't trade it is too complex Oakland. So this I get I get the surprise pick of the draft. Boy Aaron had the surprise pick of the draft yesterday number four with number four the Oakland Raiders, take rich Gannon out. Like, what's the by the way? What's the surprise pick of the draft? You don't I said this a guarantee you this Redskins are going to surprise people fifteen Daniel Jones would be surprise at for Aaron in our mock yesterday took Rashawn Garrett for said that that's a Jon Gruden kind of pick. Rashawn Gerry it for? Yeah. That's that was his his pick TJ Hopkinson. Wow. That's high. I don't think anybody has had him that high the highest. I've seen Hopkinson was seven to Jacksonville. Well, I got it surprise. It has to they claim. It's a surprise. So if I were to say, Josh Allen, are you surprised? No, no, I'm not. I'm not surprised. So my pick keeps in play this apprise crooked. Chris you're surprise could be what you said before though, they're the ones who move up to number one they shop twenty four or twenty seven. I I would fully fully by that the biggest and one of the first big time supporters of Murray Johnson, would you trade for Derek Carr. If you're the Redskins. You know, I like car, I know you love car. They will. Here's why. Because if they just did. Afford it. Right. You'd have to look at the number. He he just signed that big that deals. What Oakland got eat the Oakland? Gotta eat the guarantee the like like Denver had to eat a bunch of it with keenum. I mean, smaller scale scale, it's yeah. I understand the different. But yet when you trade a player, you eat the seed money it accelerates to all right? Let's just stick with this Murray. One to Zona Bosa to San Francisco Quinton Williams three to the jets TJ Hopkinson you've got going for to Oakland. I've got the fifth pick Tampa Bay takes. Maybe the best defensive player in the strap Devon white from LSU the linebacker. So you are now on the board with the giants. The giants take John Williams. Well. I mean, we still do you wanna take Josh Allen? Yeah. They're gonna take Josh Allen. Okay. But they want John Williams. All right. Josh Allen to the giants. You don't you get time. You don't have to worry about it. Lemming set it it's fine. Let me pull up my list of names here. So. Are you gonna put this out on Twitter like the cooling on mock draft? Okay. Maybe we will I'm with Jacksonville now. And I think Jacksonville in that spot. I don't think Coughlan goes at Oliver. Although God, I mean, adding another impactful defensive player would be would be interesting. TJ Hawkins was probably the target there. They need to protect foles. I think they go Jona Williams, Jacksonville, Jona Williams. Although I've seen a lot of people have John Taylor rated higher than John Williams. But I'm gonna say Jacksonville goes Jona Williams at number seven Detroit on the clock. I like that pick of Joan Williams. So you got Detroit here. You're you've got Detroit here. Yeah. Yes. In our draft. I now have Detroit, right? I mean, they'll take Oliver. Yeah. I think they would probably take Oliver. I mean, unless there there may be some teams that have all our Oliver off their board. There could be teams that have Oliver and Gary off their board. I think Gary's dropping buffalo than on the clock goes John Taylor. This is who I had with you yesterday. They go offense of Lyman John Taylor at number in at number nine. So now number ten Denver. And this would be the for the the next opportunity after Oakland and the giants, you know, who both we didn't have taken quarterbacks could go quarterback of Denver taking. So here's where this is really interesting two days ago. I would have told you lock. But you know, the, I think it was Charley Casserly on this podcast. You asked him. Do. Did you ever look at the Madras? And he said not until the last week, right? Because all of the information coming into those mock drafts was essentially from teams right drew locks fallen big time in a lot of these marks. A lot of these teams are saying in the drew fell this week. Correct. Yes. Well, the last day, really. Although so typers got I think typers mocked this morning had the Redskins taking him at fifteen. So but to that point Denver, basically told Schefter someone that's not what we're going to do Kuypers. Mock this morning had had locked fifteen Kuyper has Haskins at Denver. I said Kuyper. Yeah. Has has has Denver taking Haskins Nells? Yeah. And mcshea has Devon Bush to Denver, which you think would be a massive mistake. Right. You're you're on the clock with Denver. Let's go. I realized that I'm on the clock. Well, I mean, you may have to pass on this BIC. I know I'm not gonna pass go ahead and take the pick. So I wouldn't be surprised if Denver took the next tackle. It's under a Dillard, okay, Dillard. But they just tell you right now that John finds a way to draft defense is gonna take Jeffrey Simmons. He's he's not going to be ready to play you know, that about him with the like the he is a late season at best player. That's the problem with with Simmons. But there are reports out there that some people view them as the best or one of the best defensive players in the drive understand that I'm just saying you take Simmons. He's not playing for you for most twenty nineteen and Denver traded for flacco. They've got a good defense. They think they're ready to win. I actually don't know why Denver wouldn't be thinking about playmaker at wide receiver. I'm not saying Metcalf because we don't like playmaker than their trading that pick. I mean, 'cause I don't think they're going to how how good would Hopkinson be with Laco. I would put Hopkinson there. If I didn't have. To do the I don't think he's fallen past ten, and I certainly don't think he's falling past twelve are you sticking with the Simmons pick. Okay. Simmons to Denver at ten soon. Nell, I'm on the clock with Cincinnati. And I this is who Haskins lock. I'll go under Dillard, I'll go the offense of lime in the three offense of Lyman and throw Cody Ford in there all of these players are gonna end up going faster and earlier the most people think because a lot of people like all these guys they like Taylor they like Jona Williams. They like Dillard, they like Ford they like Lindstrom. Lot of these offense of line guys are going to go. I've got I'm going Dillard to Cincinnati at eleven. And now you've got green base pick. See this is where marquees Brown comes into play as the biggest playmaker. But I think they go defense, and they go Cleland federal. I've seen Farrell really drop recently. But everybody's things different. I think Christian Wilkins is a sure thing is a leader smart, really effective player. I think he's gonna go ba- flip taking with your strike draft. No thirteen is Miami. And that's where the first quarterback goes after Murray. And I said this yesterday, I think it's going to be lock, and I know locks been dropping for some reason. But I just personally think locks better than Haskins think Miami is gonna try to get their quarterback. I've got Miami taking lock soon. Now, we are at Atlanta. And then we'll do the skins pick together. Atlanta's on the clock, by the way, sweat still there burns his still there Ford is still there Brown is the receivers are still there L antics, Cody Ford, while we gotta have a lot of offense of linemen in that draft. We had four. Oh, yeah. You got willingness those the other thing. Yeah. Christian Wilkins, still you can take you back up and take Wilkins. It's sweat there. Too. So they struggled so big in terms of protecting. Matt Ryan last year. They couldn't protect him. Right. And Lanta believes in that offense. And they had a tonic before they're going to go Ford. Okay. So there it is there's our mock. And now we're gonna get to the Redskins renaissance who the Redskins will pick. And then we're both going to say who they should pick based on this mock the mock again Murray one to Arizona Bosa to to San Francisco Quinton Williams three to the jets TJ Hopkinson Ford Oakland Devon white five to Tampa. Josh Allen six to the giants Jona William seven Jacksonville. Ed, Oliver eight to Detroit je-won Taylor nine to buffalo. Jeffrey Simmons ten to Denver Dillard, eleven to Cincinnati. And then we had cl- you picked feral Green Bay, right? Fair feral goes to Green Bay at twelve lock goes to Miami at thirteen and Cody Ford goes to Atlanta at four. Fourteen. So that leaves at fifteen that leaves Haskins on the board. All right, obviously, sweat on the board burns on the board all of the wide receivers on the board. You don't like no fat. And because you don't like him. I don't like him. So I won't even mention him. We did not take Devon Bush, but you wouldn't take him who the red skins take. And then who do you think they should take based on this who will who will they take? And then who should they take because it's two separate questions. 'cause neither one of us is totally confident in the pay people picking out there. I'd be fine. If they took sweat. I'd be fine. If they took burns. I'd be fine. If they took. Hollywood brown. Would you? Find would be would you be fine. If they took Wilkins we stop. I said I'm not taking a detective. So no, I you know, what I wasn't. I didn't like the pic last year of Durant pain ended, by the way, I still don't like that pick. Although he's been great. There was a safety. We went to the charges the charges. Dan, pretty pretty good player. Who was a no brainer playmaker. Blue Chipper, right game-changer. All right. So who is it who will take who? Should they take think in terms of who they will take right now? They're on the board right now Haskins sitting there. What are they going to do? I think they'll take him. I do too. I do too. I think they're going to take him. And I don't think Jay Gruden wants him. I I'm not convinced that all the football people one. I think Doug, Mike liken. I think Dan and Bruce might like him. And I think tonight that there's disagreement on this pick and Dan takes his fist pounds on the table and says we're going to take sick. See that's the Haskins at fifteen with four players still on the board that I like would like if three alignment came off. Or we had four linemen come off in the first fourteen picks. If those fluoro- linemen came off in the first fourteen picks, which left you. Sweat burns Brown. Lindstrom, and you didn't you have the ability at that point to say. Hey, New York if you like him move up, by the way, Jones Jones is still there. You know, what I mean anybody could that's where if those four linemen come off there is trade back value. Yeah. If they don't if you only have like, let's say you have burns on your board as a guy that you could take twenty two or twenty that might fall. That's it can't trade that pick. But if you have three or four guys there you can move back. Yeah. It's just how how far can you move back? That's the issue. You don't wanna move back. So far that you don't have a chance for those guys. You got Carolina coming up next. They may want another defensive pass rusher. They may want a drafted receiver last year. They're not going to drop the quarterback. And then remember the giants at seventeen you know. That's when you would expect them to potentially take Jones or Haskins. So you're not being you're not about what about this not able to trade. What what about this? What if someone gave you next year's first for what how how how far back? I mean at that point fifth. What if Miami gave you next year's I in a third? They've already drafted. Right. You're moving out of the first round take two I next year. They're gonna give you their first next year shore. And what else are they gonna give you what if they gave you just next year's first Miami's I'm going to consider Miami's as quarterback quarterbacks next year. This is the one thing we didn't get to to the entire class next year. I know. If you had to I even if you won eight games or seven games, you then can move up. How interesting would it be if the Redskins traded number fifteen tonight to Miami a team that's going to more likely than not stink in twenty nineteen at least. But you taking lock so they wouldn't do that. But if they didn't what if you could get next year's first from one of the teams that didn't take a quarterback and said, you know, this guy Kevin Sheen's talked about just ripping this team apart and building for the number. And you said I don't care if we win five games this year. Let's start moving the pieces around to get the quarterback next year. If you could get next year. I that's where it becomes really. What else are you gonna get? What if you get nothing out the immediacy of getting into that there's leverage there to get more than just next? You're not gonna get much more. What if you what Miami has I would want something else? A third. I think you get more than that. I think if it team really wants gonna get another best case you're gonna get next year's I another second. And this your second. It's interesting. I would do it and do it in the next years. I is a question Mark, but not so much with Miami. But really talking about Jake from to and some of the players that are going to be on the board just in Herbert better quarterback class right now by miles, but remember this? But mantra sweat question Mark with a heart condition. Burns question Mark with size Hollywood Brown's a question Mark with size and he's coming up. Liz Frank injury. Anybody that you draft is a question Mark beyond those guys to be sure fire thing. So next year's first gives you too I. Yeah, I know and you say. And there's something there's something about it. That is very very intriguing. I'm looking to see where my what if you take? What if I Miami's has in the second round number forty eight overall like it would be more interesting. If Oakland said, hey, we're gonna give you twenty seven overall. And we're going to give you next. They're not gonna give you two verse wealth to move into fifteen to move up twelve spot. Remember all this draft chart stuff. If you look at all these quarterback deals eleven of the last twelve quarterbacks drafted have been traded up for spent a lot of mix of nothing that directly acquaints to the draft. Any quarterback doesn't equate to the I know what I'm saying is let's say an Oakland said, you know, what in a John calls up. Jay and says, we'll give you give you our first next year. And we'll give you twenty seven. Really cool or we'll give you thirty five. They've got thirty five which is the third pick in the second round. Give you thirty. But see the problem. I don't like thirty five for that. Yeah. Because Oakland next year is going to be in the Dan burns before you take five. But here, here's here's my dream scenarios. We just played this out you take a in some capacity next year. I from one of the first fifteen teams. And then you trade for derozen with your second and you just punt on the shears draft. And and you maybe you get a guy that you love and Rosen and you get a year with him no salary talking about. And then you have this. You know, it's stupid. It's not stupid the conversation. We're enjoying talking. I'm here because it's not gonna happen. They think they're close. They think that they are. But you know in trying to corner me into Dan taking over the draft. And maybe he doesn't think there is close maybe he actually wants to rebuild a little bit. And just knows that this isn't that this team wants to win right now. But he doesn't because if that were true he would have fired Bruce J at the end of this year, two months ago three months ago, if he didn't if he didn't agree with Bruce that they're so close to nine wins in a wild card berth next year. He would fired him all and started over. He agrees with all of them. He thinks the fans are just dissappointed that the injuries so derail their last two seasons. It's all white. Why did you try to corner me into something there sustain so based on the mach here? What's what's the what's the peck? At fifteen you say, it's Askins. I say I'm gonna say it's Haskins to although Jones wouldn't surprise me. Now, what do you think they should do based on our mock at fifteen? Burns Brown sweat. All fine were traded to Miami. And get next year's I I'd be fine. If if you had if like, I said four linemen came off the board. I would be fine moving back because you would you would essentially create four players behind you that you like, right? Assuming sweats medical is. Okay. That would be the guy that I would want. I'd be very excited. What everyone wants a five? I would I would be so excited to see that guy play for this team next year with the other young core. Young talent that they have on the team. I would love sweat. I would not mind marquees Brown at fifteen. I love Brown because I think he is a game changer. So one of five in this draft. Exactly. So that's what I would do at fifteen staying there. But I think they'll take the quarterback Haskins. And maybe even could even be Jones based on what we just came up with the really going to price somebody. I'm sorry. I said how the raiders really gonna surprise somebody you and Aaron both thinks so Erin had him taking Gary yesterday, you got him taking Hawkins air. And there's no way they take Gary you say that here's the thing. He's fallen years the thing with Jon Gruden and why even though I suggested. That trading for one. He hates for quarterbacks. He's always that's why he lost his job in Tampa. He hates young quarterbacks through. So if it's a surprise he's looking for one of those crazy flooding defensive players, which is why we're Sean Gary or he's looking at wide receiver, and I'm not willing to even though it would be very Jon Gruden. I'm not willing to put decay mecca for Hollywood Brown that high. Maybe they trade number four for veteran quarterback. Yeah. Who rosen? No a veteran quarterback know who's the veteran quarterback you're gonna trade for. Yeah. I mean, who there's nobody left. They trade number four Philip rivers cult McCoy. I don't know. Like, that's what I'm saying. Here's the thing with Gruden though. Reason they're not gonna take care. I wasn't paying attention there for second. Because you know, every once in a while I'll just put in hashtag Redskins into Twitter and somebody said the Redskins have just traded for Josh Rosen. Then I checked the guys got three followers, of course. Trying to drum it up. Here's the reason. The Gary thing is Gary falling to twenty most. And he's not going into fifteen but they have twenty four and twenty seven if they wanted him. There's a pretty good chance that get him. That's why there that would be surprised though. It's apprised. And I don't think they're taking Hopkinson. Like, I never Hopkinson is going to go in the top ten right? But not the Oakland. I just they don't have a tight end. They just lost their tight end. Strawberry. Cook at a boatload of catches for them this year John wants to run ninety seven nine hundred ninety seven to two thousand five style offense, by the way, he doesn't want to innovate mcshea Scott Berns going eight to two Detroit. Here's the other reason they can take Hopkinson because they have no concern about their job security at any point so build the team you wanna build stir get the guy you really want. If you know, you're not going to get him at twenty four. I hope they think long term any good long-term answer. Of course, it is look if they ended up drafting Jona Williams at fifteen tonight, if he were there or a tau now, you're you're you're you're hashtag because we're talking about the raiders still, but go ahead and talk about this is your show. I miss that. Hey, Zack Ramin. So what do you think? Is that what that's what you did on your right Ackerman. No was that me. I asked him a question. And then I. And then I. Here's what happened. I asked him to question because we'd go to as to questions, and then it's Kevin stern. So Kevin asked him the same. First question. I asked him marks just answered that. So he asked the exact same question. I do remember that. And I and I literally I called markup afterwards. I'm like, I'm sorry. I the truth of the matter is I wasn't listening to you. I was sitting there looking at some mock draft, probably you were gonna dance vision Gandhi thing came up that we had no oh glides gambling that day and Kevin was enthralled face was about two inches from the computer screen since you put me on the spot all day. How happy were you that the caps loss last night? I wasn't happy necessarily. I don't care one way or the other. I mean, if you're on are you if you're asking me was I like shattered. No where you have to caps anymore. No. I actually. You know, this to be true because we talked about this a lot when we did the show together. Some of our best guests were hockey guests by far Greg whiskey. Joe Bennati Craig Laughlin like all of these people alco can all these people that talk hockey. I find to be always great interviews anything. They say we're going to believe because we don't know remember, doc Emrick on the show that guy's awesome. Berry Melrose all of them are interesting. I actually everything you're signing, talk hockey. And you there's no doubt. About I've already done we've already done. You don't even why nothing. Kevin comes out with openly. Admit I didn't watch it. The first thing Kevin comes out with was. Yeah. The Catholic and a little bit slow laughs aren't doing. Text me sit us at the capture slow now, you Carolina was fast. I'm like, yeah. They look fast. You know, what they did a great job of in the series for checking you thought it was all about the the sharper scale at one point in the third period last night the hits tied to fifty two to fifty in the series. You really last night. You texted me, you said there is no doubt. That Carolina's skates are sharper. That's not true. I would've said that that did not happen. All right. So you've got them taking a quarterback at fifteen Haskins because he's going to be there. And I have them taking Haskins fifteen as well. But we would both prefer something else line. My hope is that it sweat or you know, an extra I from someone else. I mean, certainly, the Miami thing would be intriguing if you thought you could have your own pick and Miami's pick and you're realistic about we're not going to be very good in twenty nine hundred. And there's Miami and Miami is an either and it's draft. Loaded with quarterbacks. Now, you're getting. Lawrence. You're getting Jake from next year Jake from or maybe two who who knows maybe Miami goes one in fifteen and you're sitting there, and you've got to and now all the sudden you can convince Nick Sabin to come coach the team gentle never from ago. I Jake from ago before to really I don't think anybody would say that right now. But I actually like Jake from a lot. And then by the way, the receiver from Alabama's the guy next year that guy Jerry juice, always next guys Judy is he's uncheckable. He's awesome. We're doing next twenty twenty. We're not gonna do that right now. I don't I don't like the organ quarterback though. I would not want him to be the quarterback as really good the Utah state quarterback. What's his name again yard love or love? Not Jared love. I played baseball at your love. Love is as last name got it. He's good. He'll be good. He'll be a first rounder. All right. This was fun. I appreciate this wanna hear about my golf game. Or no. Because we we gotta get. You gotta go get this. This show way too long spent two hours. Plus, right. Did we to forty five that's going to be the length of the show today? Yeah. We just we just got the longest one. But this is the longest one ever. And what did I tell you last night? I said I need it for like forty five minutes. He didn't. Thanks for doing this. And you can't do tomorrow 'cause you're going to be traveling to Orlando to take Jetta Jacksonville. First Jacksonville first. And then you're going to do the whole DisneyWorld thing with the kids, which is a boy, that's fun. Real quick word on set bird set. 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Try to get some guests on talk about it from the Ashburn perspective people that are out there covering the draft in Ashburn, but the show will be available much earlier tomorrow morning. It was long today. But this is certainly one of my favorite heading to do is to hang out with Cooley. And we were gonna go play golf today. But he can't do it. So we'll do that another time. Thanks to Aaron thanks to everybody have a great day.

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