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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show

The Dan Patrick Show

04:11 min | Last month

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show

"Tweet us. You can also dial this up. You can email all the above. Joe dumars Hall of Famer, he's got a new title. Sounds really important. The NBA executive vice president of basketball operations. All right, Joe. What exactly does that mean? I don't know. It sounds important, though. It does sound important, Dan. A little bit of everything then. A little bit of everything. Just overseeing the game. Put rule changes. Things are happening on the court. Things that are happening with teams, you just kind of deal with everything that kind of comes in on your desk on a day basis. What's the one rule change that we need to keep an eye on this season? There's something called a transition take file where guys were just grabbing the guys in the middle of the fast break and just stopping the fast break and just grabbing the guys. And so 1700 of those plays last year. Over the course of the NBA season, 1700, where the fast breaks were just stopped, and so, you know, that's a bad look. It's not the spirit of the game. So we take that out and, you know, even if even if you have 200 of them this year, that's 1500 more fast breaks that you're going to see. So, but how do you take it out of the game, Joe? So you take it out by you give a free throw in the ball out of bounds. Like you reward the offensive team when they do that now. And so what I've seen like the first couple of games, guys, do a reflex Dan, is to do it. Like they've been and you see guys stop in the fast break keeps going. You go, okay. Yeah, I think the rule is working. Do you send a video around? Do you have to, everybody has a chance to understand exactly what you're talking about? You're exactly right. You're exactly right. You send video around, you show them, like, look, and here's what happens to that. Then when you put a rule like this in, what ends up happening. So we are at the coaches meeting. I don't know, a couple of months ago. And we're talking about this. And the first thing Doc river says is, okay, I just got to teach my guys how to follow in the open court without making it look obvious. So what we say is, yeah, just tell the guys that go for a steal. Right? Okay. You have to legitimately go for a steal, like you're going to get the ball. And if you file, okay, it's just a normal file. So that's what kind of happens in situations. But you're right about the video. You send video around and that's how you hammer home the point. What is traveling now?

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show

The Dan Patrick Show

02:18 min | Last month

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show

"Everything was motorcycle. He would have been perfect for this run. National TV. Yeah. is where, you know, Mike Trout doesn't get this opportunity. Shohei Ohtani doesn't get this opportunity. You don't get these opportunities very often. And when you do seize the moment, you're on the big stage. Yeah, and also perfect, their games, the games have four 30 yesterday. That was perfect. I know. They're talking about the shadows there. Yes, bones. You know, I notice about you don't necessarily have to play that great, but you have to have a moment that goes viral, either on or off the field. My daughters ask me who sauce gardener was the other day. They don't watch jets football. But they saw sauce gardener running around with the cheese head on. And they both want to know who is he? What does he do? Is he funny? She must be a funny guy. And little kids know who sauce Gardner, because of that. Yes, he kind of cracked me up to see people. You can't disrespect that she said like that. Nobody disrespects the cheese head. It's a cheese head. No, no, here's the thing. They disrespected your football team. That's what you worry about more than a cheese head. Take a break. Get some more phone calls coming up. Joe dumars. Got a new job with the NBA. Sounds important. Vice president of operations, the former pistons bad boy. Seems to be a swing and a Swiss via some of the people in the crowd there that got upset by what the jets did there. Swinging a Swiss, a lot of holes in the defense. Did Pauly encourage you to kind of deal with it? I could have said no. I could have just said, okay, that's cute. That was not said it. That was really, okay. Don't make an asiago of yourself. I think that's a cheese. I think asiago is. It is. Yeah, it is. It's not American to root against the packers. This smells like asiago.

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

07:02 min | Last month

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"Will come out in a kings game, was when Vivek ran a diva who is just a walking home run and the unintentional comedy category sat courtside between vlade divac who he had fired like a year earlier and Monte mcnair, who he had hired to replace vlade divac and vlade had not been seen with the team and all of a sudden he's talking with the owner and like Monte mcnair is just kind of awkwardly on his phone while his predecessor talks with his boss and it's like because it's the kings and they always have this opaque power structure of like, what's west Wilcox doing there? Wait, Joe dumars is around which ex king from the glory days is now making decisions and which and they are the they are the no pun intended kings of hiring the coach before the GM 'cause they fire the GM all the time. There's just always craziness. You just never know when it's gonna come out. Exactly. And I mean, that's definitely in play this year. I mean, as you say, there's a lot of talk about the power structure there and who's really in charge and who will be in charge a year from now and where Mike Brown fits into all of that. There are off season was like all Mike Brown guys, so but you know there's that whole thing too. I mean, it could be hater turku could be running the team next year. You don't know. You don't know who it's gonna be. Lawrence Thunderbird. I always liked Lawrence Thunderbird. I like that Ohio State team with Lawrence Thunderbird. That is a deep, deep cut. Lawrence Thunderbird. You ready to do some predictions? Yeah, let's do it. Unless there was other league pass rankings thoughts that you wanted to get to. Is there a team? How about this? Is there a team like a we all know who the big teams are that contenders, right? And we all know those teams. They're all excited to watch them. Who's your under the radar? It doesn't even matter if they're good team, but you're excited to watch them for some bizarre reason that Indiana was totally mad. That was it. And that's why I was so offended that you put them 29th. I took umbrage, Zach, umbridge, umbridge. Look, it's a heavy burden to where the league pass rankings. It's a lot of, it's a lot of negative feedback comes my way. The week after those are released. Okay, predictions. And I looked at I looked at Vegas odds for some of these just for fun. Okay. The 2023 NBA most valuable player who is your pick. Joel embiid. Explain. I think Philadelphia is going to be good. I picked them to win the championship, so obviously that's, you know, plays into it. He's finished second the last two years. I think if it's close, there's going to be a lot of groundswell to give it to him. And I think he's really good at basketball too. He had a year last year that in any other year would have won him the MVP. So I think there's going to be a lot of momentum for him to win it. I think he's going to have a good enough year to win it. So I'm going to say MP. Embiid is also my pick to win the MVP. The Vegas odds have since the beginning of the off season pegged Luka Dončić as the favorite, as I believe they did entering last season, then there is a small gap to embiid and in some in some houses embiid and Giannis are kind of together as two and three. Then there's a small gap between them and Durant jokic generally come next and then after that there's a gap to step Tatum sometimes Zion and then there's a huge gap to the next group of players who will talk about Luca I just don't think Dallas is winning enough games and having said that I'm interested in what you think about that because I know you have them in the play in having said that the tide beginning with Westbrook and continuing with jokic last season has turned I think in what is a smart and healthy direction that MVP is no longer just a wins and standings award. Jokic won it from 6 spot last year and so I say Luca when his team will win enough games but we've seen evidence that 48 wins can get you it, but is the play in now the line is that what is that effectively where the line is gonna be for the wins oriented voters like you just can't win if you're the 7th seed? I think it's gonna be harder from down there unless it's one of those wack ears in the west where like you know you win 51 games near the 8th season. Which is totally which is a lie. Like this year, the gap between the 6 and 7 could be tied at 48 wins, right? And so are we really making decisions based on a tiebreaker in that case? Yeah. Yeah, so I think Dallas especially if they hit or exceed last year's win total, I think Luca's gonna have a really good chance to win MVP. I just don't think they're gonna hit or exceed last year's win total. Jokic will just has reached a Terra jokic fatigue. You'll get fatigue and he would have to completely lap the field to win this year. Giannis is gonna have a real case. I agree with you though Philly Philly could be the number one seed in the east. He's by far the best player in the team now and there is going to be a sort of groundswell of has this guy been wronged once or twice now in the voting. Can I give you a medium shot in an ultra long shot that if I were allowed to bet I would be interested in? Okay. Are you saying you're going to give me one? Well, you can give me one if you want. I'm not totally prepared yet. I'll do it. I'll do it. The medium shot is curry. Who's like 6th in most Vegas odds? And I don't quite understand why that is coming off the championship. The Finals MVP, this whole, he is a two time MVP, but those are now pretty well in the rearview pre Durant. And this whole sort of groundswell of, oh, you know, maybe Steph Curry is a top ten all time player. Maybe we've been underestimating Steph Curry this whole time or you blah blah blah. I'm a little surprised maybe it's just the assumption Golden State is going to coast in a regular season, but I was a little surprised he's so far, not so far, but he's like 6 or 7th on a lot of these lists. A little surprising given that, I don't know if you remember 20 games into last season, it was like, well, curry's running away with the MVP award, you know? And draymond's running away with defensive player of the year. Yeah. Yeah, so and they ended up winning the championship. There was just like this block in the middle where not much happened. Curry actually had a bad regular season last year. So I think he could be better this year. It's going to be tough to, you know, we're kind of drawn to objects in motion. It's like if golden states just the same team, they were last year. It's going to be tough to make like the really strong case for curry. So I think

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

05:30 min | Last month

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"I mean, from the guard position I mean, I feel pretty good. I'd say it's more so like, mismatches are switching. No, yeah, or it's another guy that's from the position that, you know, as a team, we're like, oh, we gotta lock in. She gets stuck on Joel embiid in the post. That's not a good time. Yeah, I mean, he's big time. He's not, that's not a good sign for anybody being stuck onto other people down there. For sure. I say matchups like that. Last thing, like, talk me through the goals for the season for you and the team. Let's get a little more kind of specific nitty Gritty. What are we hoping to see? It's only preseason, but what are you hoping to see? Yeah, we're trying to we're trying to be in the playoffs. First and foremost, that's the first goal. We're trying to be in the playoffs trying to get a taste of the playoffs and build off of that, but like I said, I think it starts by game by game. First off, we're not losing each other. We're staying together throughout the season. Discouraged over losses last year, you know, I feel like I think our longest losing streak was like 14 games. And the test you mentally, I mean, something I had never been through, but you can't get lost in that. You have to stay poised and be locked in to go your hardest the next game. And I feel like, you know, with the talent that we have now, we have more depth than last year. I feel like if we can maintain that, then that'll translate into more winds and more consistent consistency through the year where we can, you know, keep our same identity throughout the year. That's how you turn into a playoff team more than anything, so playoffs. We're trying to be there, man. That's the goal. Sure. Last thing I forgot, I was told to ask you what's your handicap and how deep into golf are we going to get out here? Because I know you go to top golf a lot. Is it going to be like a Steph Curry situation where in 20 years you're playing in these events? How deep are you into this? How did this happen? I mean, it was really just something that was on my off time, or I'm like, you know what? It's fun. I mean, I like being outside. It's quiet. It feels almost zen for like being out in nature playing the game. It's just a complete change of pace from basketball. So I got into it and eventually I got addicted to it. After I worked out, I was just trying to be in the crib, practicing my golf swing or whatever, so. I don't know, man. We'll see. Maybe I'll be in like the celebrity tournament or something here soon, but I've seen stuff. He's a good player for sure. He's really good, yeah. I'm gonna try to get my game right. This is about reps, man. Practice. Just like the NBA? Yeah, it did. For sure. Cade Cunningham, thank you for your time. Big fan of watching a play and I think that's something exciting cooking with you and Jade and ivy and durin and beef stew and Sadiq and on and on. There's something there's something going on in Detroit, which is for a kid who grew up in the 80s and 90s on the NBA. Like, I hated the bad boys, but I loved to hate the bad boys. You know what I mean? Like it's cool to see Detroit trying to build something. Oh, definitely. Definitely. I appreciate you having me on my channel. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. All right, it's time to continue piston's day with Jamaal collar. I don't know what to call you, Jamal, you just are rust belt, NBA reporter with Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, what's your title? What should we call you? Yeah, Midwest, Eastern Conference, MBA. If it's cold in your city in the winter, I'll probably be there at some point to check in on your teams. But I'm excited. I like my Midwest teams. I got a lot of interesting stuff going on. Yeah, you got, yes, you do. You have a lot of different places on the NBA spectrum and we're gonna start with the pistons who I think I'm a little bit afraid to say it. I think it's finally time to get excited about the Detroit Pistons, which is why I'm doing pistons day because Jamal below you're a young guy. I'm not sure you remember the Joe dumars spending spree of Ben Gordon and Charlie villanueva. I don't know if you remember Chauncey billups for Allen Iverson and the gradual dismantling of one of the iconic championship teams of modern NBA history and just the wilderness that these Detroit Pistons have wandered almost the literal wilderness if you go visit where the palace of Oliver knows was. You didn't even mention a 2000 Blake Griffin trait. Oh no, no, we're going to mention it. I mean, you could mention Ben Gordon, Charlie villanueva, and the Ben Gordon signing, which resulted in what I think is the single most depressing trade in the history of the NBA, Ben Gordon, and a draft pick for Corey magette in a trade in which the actual players were 0% relevant to the entire trade. Then they steal Tobias Harris from the magic, then they trade him and a lot of other stuff for Blake Griffin that didn't work out. They were always drafting like 7th 8th, 9th. So even when they hit like Andre Drummond, KCP was an okay pig, Brandon knight stuck in there somewhere. It just never amounted a much than Josh Smith came in. They're like, how about we play Josh Smith at small forward? That'll be awesome. That didn't work out. And then, you know, Luke canard over Donovan Mitchell, Stanley Johnson, over Devin Booker, but here we are. The gods shine upon you. Detroit weaver front office has gradually some misses, some hits, they have the most important thing that you need for rebuilding NBA

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

07:49 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

"The current GM, rob palinka, was obviously involved because he was representing Kobe at the time. And Bill Davison, pisses donor, and Jerry buss. Those were the people that knew the deal. Mitch caps and I went back and forth about parameters. This is when Kobe was saying I want out, you know? He's not trying to win. I went out. It was two teams that met felt like, had enough pieces to do a deal for Kobe. It was us in Chicago. Mitch called and said, look, love to work out something with you. Take us a couple days to work it out. And then we agree. On the deal. And then at the time, Kobe is the only player that had a no trade in his contract. And so. It says, look, as you know, Joe Kobe has a no trade, so he has to approve of this, but we're going to take this to him, and I'm going to take this to doctor buzz. He did. Doctor buss said, okay. They took it to Kobe, and Mitch told me that Kobe said that I need 24 hours or 48 hours or something to discuss this with my like, look, I need time to discuss it with my family. I think doctor buss was like, no, we need an hour. We need an answer in the next day or whatever. And COVID didn't want to be forced into having to make a decision that quick. And so this is Mitch said to me, Mitch said don't look. Doctor buster has given him a day. And if he doesn't, doctor buss is pulling out. And he's done. And Colby refused to make a decision. He wasn't like, no, you're not going to make me make a decision in one day. It was like, I need a couple of days. My family and think about this. And he didn't, he didn't make a decision in 24 hours. And doctor buss said, that's it. I'm out. We tried to make a deal. You wouldn't make a decision. We're going to move forward. And the trade was done, and it's called me and said, Joe, we're out. Doctor bustin, no, he's told Kobe, if you're not going to make a decision right now, we're done trying to trade you and we're going to go forward. And we hang up. And rob Lincoln, I have laughed about this. Perhaps it shows. How rapid it was ten, 12 years before anybody ever brought that up. Nobody ever said a word about it. That could never happen now. Could never happen now. It would be tweeted 30 seconds later. And zero. I'm talking about a decade goes by when finally someone, I don't even know who it was, mentioned. I was like, wow, they know about this. And so plink and I have laughed about this before. Like, man, this was like code of silence, man. I don't know how or when or whatever it got out, but I'm telling you a decade went by, how not a word. Did you think you had it? Like, did you think Kobe's gonna sign off? We'll be good. Were you already thinking ahead to like, we've got this and now it's on to the next thing. We're going to start planning for our new team around COVID. I thought it was going to work. But here to think in any trade or transactions that you're doing, the longer it takes, the more chances it's not going to happen. So when it didn't happen right away, and time started going by over that 24 hour period or whatever, I realized, okay, this could go off track. But when we hung up, though. When we hung up, when you hang up and Mitch says, okay, we have to deal. Okay, we got to deal. And I called Davidson, he calls doctor bus and say, look, we have a deal. He's cool. We've got to approve it. You know, at that moment, you're going, okay, this could happen. You know what I mean? You're not quite popping champagne. Yeah, yeah. But you know, what you're feeling good. Yeah. And you're silent about it. You're not talking with anyone else about this. This is under wraps and no one else knows. And you're just waiting to see how it plays out. This would have been like spring summer, 'cause it's Kobe's meltdown. It was a very public meltdown that year. He goes on radio. He talks to Steven a, he talked to a bunch of people. He was at the summer of 2007. I think it was in the midst of the playoffs because I remember I could remember being in a hotel room somewhere covering the playoffs for The New York Times. I was in maybe Houston or somewhere watching on TV because now I've got to write about this too. I'm covering a playoff series from when I remember just this whole meltdown happening and Kobe's going off on one radio show after another after another. And that was obviously a massive massive story at the time. So that was in the spring. That was probably second third round of playoffs. I'm thinking. And so any talk you guys would have had would have probably been deeper that spring or maybe into the summer. And then there were reports that it was close with Chicago. And of course the flash forward on this for people who, again, need the reminder on this. It's whatever 6, 7, 8 months later, that they make the trade for pau Gasol. And the next thing you know the Lakers are back in the finals, next thing you know they're winning two championships after that. And all of history is different in Kobe spends his entire career with the Lakers. But that close as I'm holding my fingers apart. To him being a piston. Absolutely. Yeah, it was that close and. You know, there are a lot of teams that have these type of stories. The almost trade are the almost signing, or the almost draft. And for my tenure there, that was just obviously the biggest one. The biggest almost, you know, that you could have. And actually agreeing on a deal with Mitch, you know, to do this, you know? Incredible. I mean, there are a lot of great what ifs in this league in the history of this league. Yeah. That one's an all timer. I mean, as you say, every team's got a guy that they thought they were going to get her almost had, but not at Kobe's level. Yeah. Like those are extremely rare. Yeah, yeah. And I knew that at the time. I knew how rare it was. Phenomenal. Glad we had time to go down this one last one last memory lane thread there. Appreciate that, Joe. Thank you for spending the time. Thanks for having me here at the office. Tim Frank, thank you for the hospitality. Appreciate it. We got to do it again sometime. No, I appreciate it. I love it, man. Anytime, anytime now. Okay, that's it for today's show. My thanks again to Joe dumars. Thanks to Tim Frank and Tim Cook at the NBA for helping facilitate thanks as always to our producer, Shelby royston, and thank you all for listening. Remember, you can hear Chris Maddox and me every Tuesday on the crossover with all the latest NBA chatter. And on Fridays, it's me and a guest. 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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

08:00 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

"Billy knight down in Atlanta where rasheed spent like 24 hours. Yeah, I remember trying to texting Danny ainge because he was a part of the trade. I just remember texting these different guys that we would do this or do that or whatever. And so yeah, I remember, and I said to John Hammond after we finished, I said, John, we just did a trade with the majority of this trade was done on a text message for the first time. Springfield should have immediately some of those phones. They should have had the transcript printed out first NBA trade consummated by texting. And they should have that flip phone sitting right next to it. And the photo of you. Why was that photo taken? That's the other question. No idea. How did it end up on Twitter? The only person that would probably know is Russ's soul is not here with us. Matt dopamine probably knows. He probably knew what it was. Maybe he snapped it. I love the fact that there was an actual trade talk, not some posed thing. No, no, no. So feature story. This was a candid crew shot. Somebody's in the office. I'm on the phone and they take a snapshot. Those things don't see the light of day very often. So I assume you also see the humor in that photo of a choice. Absolutely. I was chatting with somebody who knows you well. I was asking, what else should I ask, Joe about from the pistons days? What's a good story? Said the most stressful game of your time, at least by this person's accounting, I assume this is correct. 2004, not in the finals, not even in the Conference Finals game 6 at New Jersey. You're down three to two accurate that that was the most stressful game of your personal game ever. Why? We are, we've made a big trade. I've pushed all the chips here. I've traded away two first round picks. I moved some people, it was a 14 trade. It was 17 players in the trade. We're getting Rashid back, I remember talking to Bill Davidson, the owner of the piston at the time and saying, look, I'm gonna do this trade. He said, is this the one you think gets it over time? I said, yeah, absolutely. He said, let's do it. Let's go. So this wasn't a trade where. I hope we can get to the Conference Finals. I hope we can get to the finals. This was a trade we have to win it. We have to win a matter of fact. When we made the trade, I keep bringing up these guys who are not with us anymore. But when we made the trade, you would know, I don't know if anyone else, Tim would know. But I remember drew sharp. We wrote an article and the title was the article basically was, if the pistons don't win the championship, this season is an utter failure. This was in the wake of the trade. After the trade happened. And specifically wrote, even if they get to the finals, if they don't win it, this is a failure. So everybody there was feeling that. And we didn't run from it. We basically said, yep, that's the case. Yep. I agree. I remember talking to drew and saying, yep, that's true. He said, I said, yeah, that's true. If we don't win it, I don't fail. And here you are now down three to two. In the second round. And we fly into Jersey and I forget the name of the arena. Was that metal? Arena. And we're sitting there and we're down three to two and I'm telling you we're down and it's me. It's John Hammond. It's Scott Perry, it's Ryan Hoover, it's, I don't know, maybe John horst, who's with Milwaukee. Like all these all of us. Sweating bullets in that arena. Just we have to win. And so it was the most stressful game I've ever been a part of. And we pulled it out at the end. And we go on to win the series, and I've told that story to ride. I've told that story to Jason Kidd. I told her to all those guys for her. And they were like, well, we were stressed on the other end too, because we knew if we didn't win that game, we weren't going back to Detroit and winning game 7. Yeah. Well, that was the nets team that had obviously been to two straight finals, lost to the Lakers, lost to the spurs. That's a Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson and king Martin. You guys win game 6 81 75 and then you blow them out in game 7. 90 to 69. These scores, by the way, they would look back on basketball reference going like, man, I mean, I lived through that era. I covered there, but still it's still weird looking back. Yeah, I think you guys didn't crack 70 in game one of that series if I'm recalling correctly. Once you're over that hump, are you confident then? Like, okay, we're good. You still got another series? No. Yeah. The next series is stressful, too. We play the Indiana Pacers. Indiana pace's head coach is who I just let go. Y'all see. So now we're playing Rick Carlisle. Who was with us a year before, and you got LB. You got Larry Brown now, is your coach? So that was that dynamic, right? And so we can't lose this series. We can't. We can't lose this series. The reason you brought Larry in is because you say he gets us over the hump. So, you know, I don't know. Maybe 6 games? Maybe that was 6 games as well, but yeah, I mean, you know, when you put it out there that you've pushed all of your chips in and it's not even about getting to the finals. It's when it all a bust. When you do that, there's nowhere to turn, there's no way you can explain it away if it doesn't happen. You have to win. You have to win. And everybody felt that the players, coaches, front office, the whole organization, we have to win. This is why we ask that question and Dan Clara did a very famously in his basketball love story series where the question was put to everybody about relief versus joy. This sounds like the ultimate relief championship. I'm supposed to joy. I'm sure there was joy too, but it was a little bit of joy and a whole lot of relief. And but there's also a difference in I've said this over the years to people there's a difference in wanting to win a championship and having to win a championship. And a lot of teams and a lot of people want to win a championship. But how many have to win it? Just from internal pressure, just from this is this is the culture you've built. You have to. There's no, I just want to. And there's 29 other teams, won't you? Do you have to win? And that's what we saw. We saw that to everybody that came there. This is important to you that you have to win a championship. Because if you just want to win a championship, you find any team. Yeah. So we pushed that heavy. It's funny you mention that because I do think that over the course of my 25 years now covering the league, that's something you start to realize over time is that there are different levels. It is not an imperative for everybody for every player every coach. And we always understood that, you know? We always understood that. Okay, there's one more what if I do need to throw at you? And I know it's been written about and you've discussed it, but it's just such a fun story that I have to ask. The 2007 Kobe Bryant trade that never happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was myself and Mitch kupchik.

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

07:15 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

"Like that was some of their parts team. So I do think that you have to be willing to take swings and I do think that you have to be comfortable with being an outlier. And I was always comfortable with that. I was comfortable taking swings, and I was comfortable with being an outlier in the sense that we weren't trying to build a roster like everyone else. We were trying to build a completely different type of Russia and everyone else. And it happened to work out great for us. And we want to tighten. We had great success with it. Be next, Hall of Fame. Yeah. I mean, if you look at his track record and what he did during that time period and being a Finals MVP and he was, he was a catalyst for us during the time. And I think he will. I think he will ultimately get in. Yeah, being Finals MVP and being part of a bunch of great teams and the crew of the I mean, he doesn't have the prototypical outline. So it's a tough case, but I should have looked it up. I can't remember how many finals MVPs have not made the Hall of Fame. I think he might be one of two or something. Maybe now is the only one. And so there's that part of it. But it was a hard team to quantify, right? Like you guys came out of no one thought you guys were making the finals that year, much less knocking off the Lakers with four stars for Hall of Famers on it. But also because it wasn't about any one guy. It was about Chauncey and rip and tae Shawn and the Wallace's I always thought too and how you feel about this. This is not to diminish Ben Wallace, but Ben becomes this defensive dynamo, but I always thought that, but he obviously he was undersized. That was part of the mystique, right? Rashid had all the size and length and rasheed could guard everybody everywhere. I always thought like he was in a way the linchpin like Ben Wallace gets all the glory there, but I don't know if, again, this is not to diminish the walls. I don't know if Ben Wallace could become that Ben Wallace without rasheed there. Is there anything to that? That was a great compliment with him. That was a great compliment with him. Rashi could guard anyone, okay? And if you put him one O one with if you put him one on one garden someone, he does a great job. But if by chance they beat him, Ben Wallace coming from the weak side is just incredible. And so I just thought that they complemented each other where Ben was great before she got there. Let's not forget that he was. He was, he was defensive player of the year. He was a dominant defender. But I do think that he and rasheed together though gives you a chance to want to tell you what they did. And so there is something to those two plan to exceptionally well together. Cedric Maxwell, Tim Frank and farms me was the other Finals MVP who was not in the Hall of Fame. Different resume than Chauncey's. But yeah, it's a rarity. There's nothing like being in the stands for live Washington Nationals baseball. And ticketmaster has your seat, whether you're looking for seats to next week's game, or today's game, ticketmaster has a wide selection of tickets available at competitive prices, so you never miss a moment this season. From the anticipation when the bases are loaded at the bottom of the 9th to the walk off home runs. Score tickets today at ticketmaster dot com. Ford slash MLB best ticketmaster dot com slash MLB. You wanted to see me miss swinton? Have you been hearing about the new government modernization efforts? AI, RPA's data science, things are changing at this agency, and people will need new skills. I'd like you to get some training. Look at this management concept catalog. Wow. Over 275 courses. That's right. In local classrooms or instructor led online classes. We still have budget in this fiscal year, so sign up online. Advance your career with courses for management concepts, get a catalog at management concepts dot com or call a three three 5 7 8 84 66. American corn farmers. A proud and chosen profession inspired through generations. Tested, resilient, and committed to giving back as much as they're growing, pushing the boundaries of what's possible with every bushel. While replenishing every increasingly precious resource, like the reduction of soil loss by 40% with every acre grown in a world where sustainability matters more than ever, we need all the help we can get, and there's no greater resource than the capable hands of American corn farmers. I have to ask you, I made the crack when we were in Vegas and I don't know if it actually registered when I said it. There is a famous slash infamous photo of you that became a meme on social media with the two phones. It's old school. One is the phone plugged into the wall. It looks like in your office, maybe in Detroit. And then you've got the cool flip phone from the early 2000s on the other hand. What is the story behind that photo? I don't know if it's been told. It was trade talk. So it was, I was on my office phone. And I was talking about a trade, talking about a trade, and it was a multi team trade, and one of the other teams called me on my cell phone and I didn't want to miss that phone call. So I just, I said to the person I'm talking to on the office, just hold on one second. So I had it, and then I'm trying to talk on the other phone. So yeah, on that flip phone. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. Do you remember what the trade job was? I can't remember. I can't remember. How are you? So many trades. I can't even remember. I wish I could remember the teams I was talking about, but it was definitely two different teams, and I just didn't want to miss that phone call from the team that was calling. Any record. Any recollection of if that trade actually happened came to fruition or was this just one of those many say it probably did? Because most of the time that we ended up discussing, the trace that probably fell apart a lot is just a one on one trades. Because you can't get there and but when it's multiple teams, you can work to make it work. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can figure out ways to make it work when it's multiple teams. Somebody else take a draft pick, somebody else take a player. You can get it done. So multiple teams, you would think it's harder. And it is, but you can get deals done. So it probably got done. Today, somebody would have just like texted you that or whatever. Something else. Of course. You don't even have to be on a matter of fact. Matter of fact, the rashi trade in the middle of the season, the majority of that trade got done by text. Really, by text message. Yeah, in the early days of text message. You had to punch the number three times to get to the right letter. Because you are specifically remember telling John Hammond, you know, we just did a trade with a majority of it was taxed. The actual, like the negotiations, we're willing to send in this, but you guys put in that. Like the actual mechanics of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I remember texting.

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

07:44 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

"As a player and then running the team. And it was 30 straight years of it. And so I don't care who you are. 30 straight years of anything. You know, I want to do something different. I've done this. I've been there done this. At the highest level I was a player at the highest level, as team president, I'd like to be involved, but I don't want to do that anymore. I've done enough of that. And that was the reason. And that's why I said that. Were you sure then at 24 in 2014, as you tell Tom gorgeous time for me to step away? Did you think I need a little bit of a break? And then I'm going to want another GM job, or did you know even at that time were you already sure that this was the last time you would do that? I wasn't sure I wasn't sure. I needed a break. But I didn't know. But two or three years, two or three years later, I realized I can't go back to being a GM again. I just, it wasn't what appealed to me at that time. And I knew at that moment, I'm not really looking to do the day to day. And I realized then, too, that if I was to ever go back to a team, I would need a GM. You understand what I'm saying? I could go back as president, but president, because in Detroit, I was president and GM. I remember thinking, if I ever did this again, that would have to be a GM doing a lot of the day to day, because I did it for 15 years. I did it long enough. I remember wondering at the time, or at least the first few years after you had part of ways with the pistons about when you would get back in. I thought for sure you'd be back in and I'll just for younger listeners, especially I'll go over real quick here. But it was like you had two different eras with the pistons. So 2000, you joined the team, you guys jumped from 32 wins to 50 by your second season. You guys averaged 55 wins from 2000 one, two to 7 O 8, 55 wins a season, including 64 wins in 2005, 6, 6 straight Eastern Conference Finals, two finals, and of course championship in 2004, and then there's the back half from 2008 9 to 2013, 14 after that finals team kind of starts to come undone as happens in this league. You guys average 30 wins, only one playoff appearance, the first round loss. And I wondered, the way you frame it now, Joe, it sounds like, you know, maybe a lot of that also just as you point out 30 straight years, it can just weigh on you. You can just get a little worn out. I also wondered if the back half just weighed on you, right? Like having to preside over a team that gone to 6th street Eastern Conference Finals, wins the championship two finals. Trying to reinvent that on the fly and you guys had you took some swings and had some misses and how much of it was just about, man, it's hard enough to put together a team to win at the highest level. Trying to do it a second time in the same place, did that weigh on you? Was it just the strain of it all? I don't look at it like it weighed on me as a shrink, but I realized that I was really conscious of it that we're trying to do this again on the fly because we didn't, after we had this incredible run, there was not this announcement that, okay, we're going to tear it down and rebuild. It was, how can we keep winning? And so you're trying to I often say this to people. I say, it's trying to change the tires on the car. While you're driving, right? It's not like you get to stop, you know? We got to stop and change those tires. It's like, we're going to keep rolling. You got to change them on the fly. And that's how I looked at it. But it didn't really weigh on me. I think that part I wouldn't say wait on me by itself. It was still accumulation of 30 straight years of 14 on the court, and it actually 15 to 16 in the front office. After 30 years, it was just like, okay, I've carried this flag enough. Yeah. And there were some, again, some big swings in there. Iverson billops swamp and you're trying to swing. You're trying to change the tires. Yeah, and I always say this. I always tell people this. Man, only whatever it is. Good or bad. So the swings and misses, I'm telling you how the media guys are Detroit and tell you, I would do like this. They were like, what happened? I was like, I messed up. I missed on that. I would literally raise my hand. Yep, that's on me. Okay. I think you own it. You own, we had tremendous success. But we had some misses too. And I own all of it. And I think for me, I think in the leadership position, that's what you do. Every listener right now has darko millis. Yeah, it's a miss. It's a flat out miss. Yeah. Is that the one of all the moves you make over 14 years is that the one that you want back most? Well, it is, it is, am I allowed to say we want to title that year? You were allowed to say you want to title absolutely. And next year. And could have won it for she'd actually stuck to Russia. But if I'm allowed to say that, then absolutely, we can talk about it. No, but it's no, really. All of it. As a staff and then I got to make the final decision on this. We go, look, with this big young talented kid, I think he can help us. We have perimeter guy. We got Chauncey rip Taysom. We got this already. We need another bed with Ben Wallace. We didn't have rasheed Wallace at the time. We hadn't traded for him yet. So we went with him, didn't work out. So I go to the press conference in Detroit and Mitch album in all the other guys, that's what happened and I'd go. It's my fault. We missed on it. I don't try to make excuses for it. I don't try to avoid it. When people do that, I often, you know, I look at people when they're doing that, I just kind of shake my head like, just own it. Well, I mean, it's funny too because we lie and I certain people in this league about their track records, whatever, but like I covered Jerry West earlier in my career when I was covering the Lakers like Jerry West had some pretty colossal misses along the way too. And Jerry's one of the greatest ever freaking do the job and he's great. And I don't mean to point those things out to be nitpicky, but the best to ever do it. Everybody has. Everybody has had big misses. Yeah. So, you know, and like I said, that's why I go, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we won the championship. There was that. Is the Rashid trade your best move or the one that you, all these years later? It was the most significant move because he actually got us over the top. I don't think we could over the top without him. I think we're good. We're Conference Finals level, but you need something to get you over the top. And he was the guy to do that. And so it was the most significant move. I mean, any time you make a move in the middle of the season, and that gets you over the top to win the championship, that has to be your most significant. Which almost never happens too, by the way. Right. It's very rare that the in season trade is the one that leads a team to a championship. Maybe the next year or two years, but and that team was fascinating anyway because it is, we always talk about it as until Ben Wallace made the Hall of Fame this year. It was always the lone championship team in the modern era that won without any Hall of Famers. Right, right, right. That particular distinction is gone, but it's still, like that was an ensemble, right?

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

06:50 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

"Next podcast. For sure. There's nothing like being in the stands for live Washington Nationals baseball. And ticketmaster has your seat, whether you're looking for seats to next week's game, or today's game, ticketmaster has a wide selection of tickets available at competitive prices, so you never miss a moment this season, from the anticipation when the basis are loaded at the bottom of the 9th to the walk off home runs. Score tickets today at ticketmaster dot com. Ford slash MLB best ticketmaster dot com Ford slash MLB. You wanted to see me miss swinton? Have you been hearing about the new government modernization efforts? AI, RPA's data science, things are changing at this agency, and people will need new skills. I'd like you to get some training. Look at this management concept catalog. Wow. Over 275 courses. That's right. And local classrooms or instructor led online classes. We still have budget in this fiscal year, so sign up online. Advance your career with courses for management concepts, get a catalog of management concepts dot com or call 8 three three 5 7 8 84 66. American corn farmers. A proud and chosen profession inspired through generations. Tested, resilient, and committed to giving back as much as they're growing, pushing the boundaries of what's possible with every bushel. While replenishing every increasingly precious resource, like the reduction of soil loss by 40% with every acre grown in a world where sustainability matters more than ever, we need all the help we can get, and there's no greater resource than the capable hands of American corn farmers. What's the last several years been like for you? So your pistons ten year goes from 2000 to 2014. And it's almost like two completely separate eras there. And then since that time, you consulted for the pelican, I don't know if that was ever official. You were secretly consulting for the pelicans, right? I just know those guys out there for a long time. It can almost. I was really close to the football side with Sean Payton in those guys. I spent a lot of time actually I spent like two or three drafts with them in a war room during the draft, and NFL Draft night with them. And so I'm really close to those guys. So it was more saints we were talking about the pelicans actually. Yeah, 'cause that one doesn't even end up on your spending a few years with kings like the pelicans aren't even there that was like the secret behind the scenes. Is an NFL Draft room? Is it like an NBA war on draft night two? Is it similar or is it all similar, but it's how it is where in an NBA draft from you may have ten, 15 people in the NFL Draft room, you might have 60 or 70 people in there. Because the scouts from all over the regions are in there. And so they have this the way it's set up is at least in New Orleans is they have these roles. And these roles go up about 5 rows and it's just scouts and personnel people there. Like it's like a lecture hall you're describing. Yes, exactly. And down at the bottom is, you know, it would be like me and Mickey and Sean Payton and maybe Dennis Allen, who's the head coach now was a D coordinator at that time. And they're discussing what's happened and they're going back to the scouts and asking, what about this kid in the fourth round from Appalachian state, whatever. So there's so many guys in the room and you might actually, they might actually call on them in the midst of because my first thought is you can't why are they all there? They can't possibly all have input. But so many players. It's so, so many players. You better have enough people in that room to cover all of that. So yeah, it is fascinating. It is fascinating. It's great. I really enjoyed that, you know? You pick up anything along the way where you're filing it away like this would be good in terms of best practices that could fly back to the NBA. And I'm sure they as an organization with the ownership having overseeing both probably I would imagine tried to do that. Anything that popped out, just the amount of background that they do. And look, what was a hundred football players in college on the college roster and the NFL is 60 or whatever. So the rosters are so much bigger. So the pool of players they're choosing from are so much bigger than what we choose from. And so just the amount of work that goes in to knowing thousands of players from around the country is fascinating to see, I think their background work is pretty incredible because they're telling me what the guy how many snaps he took in his senior year in high school. Especially if he's a running back. You know, you start tracking those snaps. How many hits did he take? You know? And so it's just different, but it was fascinating. It's just fascinating. So from there, you end up spending the last three years with the Sacramento Kings as a chief strategy officer. And obviously that's a team that's trying to find its way for a bit here. From the New Orleans to Sacramento experiences just kind of being as opposed to the day to day with everything on you, but just being able to kind of give your input, what were those years about for you? Yeah. So the Sacramento part was quite simply it was it allowed me to. Dive back into the league without having to make the day to day because I didn't want to do the day to day. I just didn't want to do the day to day. And it gave me the opportunity to really know all of the new coaches, all of the new players, all of the new young GMs, and really be able to get a real grasp on the league to know the league front and back. Because when you're doing it day to day, you know that. You know that automatically because you have to. In that particular role, it allowed me to do it. Without having to make all the day to today decision and I absolutely loved it. I really enjoyed my time in Sacramento. I really enjoy it because it allowed me to. To help vivec and money mcnair, west wolcott's, you know, they would lean on me a lot. What do you think, what would you do here? How would you handle this? Like, it was great. It was all the stuff I could do easily for them, but also I was studying all the players. And all the coaches and what teams were doing and new trends, and so it was great. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, 'cause I guess in the intervening years, from the time you left the pistons to you're probably not as plugged in, even during the time you're consulting with the pelicans or whatever that rule was. You're not in the weeds in the state. You're not in the ouija. And you're casually and you're casually.

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

15:56 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

"Somewhere. I'm not sure how these titles work. Joe dumars, Joe, how are you? I'm great. I don't know how these comments work either, so. The NBA titles, they get more complicated, I think, by every year. Congrats, welcome to the new role. We're sitting here in MBA headquarters, so your new home in New York, how you acclimating to big city life here. I actually love it so far. I've been here for about four months now, and I've got a nice place on the upper west side. And it's been great so far. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was when I left school in Louisiana, I thought, I'm probably never going to live in humidity again. No one told me how human New York is in the summer man. It's gross. Tim Frank NBA ace PR person sitting to your left here. We had like an entire 20 minute conversation about the humidity before you came. Tim did not tell me that before. They should have warned you. No, he waited until after I signed on, didn't he told me, so. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's quite a Louisiana level. No, spend some time in New Orleans. This summer. But it ain't pleasant. I don't understand how businessmen or anybody else are walking around in full suits out there. I'm like in a short sleeved shirt and usually just sweaty just looking at other people in too much clothes. So you're settling in. We are recording this. It's just been a week or so since Bill Russell's passing. There's a lot of stuff I want to get you. But I do want to start there because obviously a Titan of the gaming of this league, but also you guys, I know you didn't really cross paths, but you do have common roots in Louisiana. Yeah, you know, growing up as a young basketball player in Louisiana during my time during my era, you had some greats to look up to. None bigger than Bill Russell. He's a native Louisiana guy. And so you grew up hearing about Russell being this Louisiana guy that ended up moving out to San Francisco, but he was one of the guys, Willis Reed, elven Hayes, Pete maravich, you know, you ended up hearing, although Pete wasn't originally from Louisiana, but you heard about all these legends. But none were bigger than Bill Russell. He was the standard for everybody growing up there. Never got a chance to cross paths during your time. Yeah, just for those, but not really into any deep, deep conversations. But just from afar, just incredible respect for not only what he did on the court, but what he stood for off the court. And just reading some of the history of the things that he stood for and went through and accomplished, you know, on the court, you know, the greatest team champion ever. I just think it's incredible what Russell stood for. Your new role as executive vice president comma head of basketball ops. I got to talk to you people, Tim Frank, about these about these titles. We always think about this as like the disciplines are, right? Like your name is now going to be on every press release of somebody being suspended, find publicly shamed, whatever the order of the day might be. I know it's a little bit bigger of a role than that you're involved with rules changes in the competition committee and you and I chatted a little bit in Vegas right after they had approved the new rule about the take file. So there's a lot that it encompasses, but people will see your name most commonly with the discipline stuff. And this is the role most recently Kiki vandeweghe, rod thorn before him, Stu Jackson. It is usually somebody who comes from the player ranks or coaching ranks. So what do you feel like you want to bring to this that might be similar or different to those who preceded you in this? How do you see the role aside from what I will just simply refer to as the disciplines are? So first of all, those three guys that your name, you know, Kiki and rod and Stu, all did a great job. And I respected them in this particular role. But you don't really know the role until you get here. And the public part of the role is the discipline. That's the public part. But you're right, Howard, you know, the other stuff is takes up probably more of your time than the discipline part. But the discipline part is the part that gets the most attention and I get it. I understand why. But it's a job that encompasses a lot of different areas. And I think being a former player and a former front office exact, it helps inform your decision making. And when you get into a role like this, to help you better understand the issues. And I think that's why this role is always had people who have been on the other side. I think it's imperative that you understand both sides of this. I don't think it would be good if you couldn't truly understand when things come across your plate. From a player perspective from I never coached, but from a coaching perspective front office perspective, I just think it's really important to have that perspective when you're sitting in a seat. It's going to take a bit of your time as well when those events arise, right? Sure, sure. Fight not that anybody. Nobody fights in the NBA. But it'll be one of those little fake scuffles or something. Somebody steps out in some other way, flagrant fouls that you guys have to review and all this. Do you go into it with a thought in mind about just a governing philosophy, right? You're the head of discipline among, again, among other things. And I think everybody has we think of the way rod thorn, that era, as a certain way, we think of Kiki a certain way. Do you think you bring a different sensibility to it, perhaps do you come in thinking, you know what? Maybe we need to tighten up a little bit here or there. I mean, you're obviously you've been involved continuously with the league for what's been three decades or so. Do you come in with a different sense or your own sense of how to approach that? So it's a great question, but I haven't thought about a particular style to do. To do this job. But I do say, and I've said internally here that I won't simply read the rules to people when they call in. I'll have a conversation with him with context. You know, I played it on a few teams where it might have had a few bumps and bruises and suspensions and fines and so there's not a conversation that can come up that I haven't had before. So that's why I intend to have conversations with people. And at the end of the day, I just say this. You may not like the final decision, but unless you'll understand how we got there. I'll walk you through how we got there. And you can disagree with it. But I just want to be able to have conversations with people and make sure that they understand like, look, here's the perspective. Here's why we landed here, here's what you did. And so I just think I'm in a position to have really honest conversations with whoever it is. I would love to hear those conversations, not that I will ever have that opportunity because I can just imagine at some point in there. On the one hand, you're the perfect person to be heading up discipline as a former pistons bad boy. On the other hand, you were a pistons bad boy. So it's somewhere along the lines of those conversations going to be, come on, man. What would you have done or look what you are going to be pulling up your clips or something and saying, hey, come on, look what you got away with. What's the movie catch me if you can? Yeah. It was a guy who was doing he was doing the fake checks and all. And once he got busted, they ended up hiring him to head to department. So I said, who better than a piss and bad boy to be in a position like this? No. Seriously, though, been there, done that, seen it, have seen it from the other side. I do really feel like I can have any conversation with anybody that has an issue about whatever they're going to call in about because I don't want to say I've seen everything, but man, I've seen an awful lot and I don't think there's anything that's going to come across. I don't expect this coming to surprise me. Maybe it will, but I'm just saying, I've just seen so much stuff. So whatever phone calls come in, I believe I'll be able to handle whatever the calls are. NBA obviously a much different game, different league than it was during your playing days. Even actually during your pistons years as head of basketball ops for the pistons, it's different even from then. And that was 2014, was your last year there, right? So, and one of the things that's changed with it, of course, is we've evolved from or moved from the David stern era to the Adam silver era. There is less that happens on the court that I think needs the heavy discipline, right? It doesn't really fight in this league anymore. But at the same time, there has been kind of this common thread or sense around the league, like it's got a little softer in the Adam silvera. Suspension that might have been like 5 days in the David stern era is now like two. And some of that, have you sensed that yourself in this time do you think that there needs to be any kind of course correction there? And that's the other thing too. People attribute it to, oh, Adam silver kinder gentler, David stern, the disciplinarian type, but the role in the job is rod Thorne, Stu Jackson, Kiki, Joe dumars. So how much of that? And maybe you can clarify this for folks too, then. Is it about the commissioner's overall philosophy in a particular era or is it about the person sitting in your seat? So I do think to your point, though, the game has changed too. I don't think there's a call for us much hard discipline. To your point about the game being a little bit more finesse now. So that really doesn't call for the heartland disciplinarian, but I will say this, and I've said this to some current players now. Every era has its style has its stamp. Every error, the 70s, 80s, to 90s, early 2000s, every area is going to have its style. And so I don't think it's specifically Adam silver. I just think it's the NBA right now. I think there's a lot less, as you and I know, there's no, we haven't had any piston type brawls or anything like that. And so to have a heavy hand on things that are not the same as they were, would be disproportionate. In my opinion, I think it would be disproportionate. If you ever got back to that, I think you would see, you know, some hard discipline actions coming down. So I just think it's the error right now that we're in. Yeah. Fair. Occasionally something happens. And I'll often note that like, yeah, yeah. I think that might have been three games under David. Yeah, yeah. There's always going to be a comparison. Like, you know, David was a giant legend and made his mark on this game incredibly. So there's always going to be a comparison if you follow a great player if you follow a great coach, a great GM, a great commissioner. There's always going to be a comparison to the guy that was that held it before. Everybody who works in the league is going to say this. I think mostly because it's true, but it's also company line. The game's in a great place. And obviously it's very entertaining right now and everything else. I don't think too many people, especially younger fans who have grown up on this brand of basketball, would say that they miss grinded out 90s guys beating the shit out of each other in the paint stuff. But that was your era. And everybody, you know, we're all captives of our own era, whether as players or fans media. Do you miss it a little bit when you watch the game today? Do you ever have that impulsive like, that guy, that guy needed to know to the rib? Yeah, I've seen some plays that probably needed a little bit more physicality to it. But I'll go back to this. And I was having this conversation with draymond green. And he and I were talking, and I said, we were talking about how people always compare the different errors, right? And I said to him, I said, listen, it's up to the players of that generation to determine how people are going to look at their error. I said, in our era, it was a tough, physical error. And you had to fight your way through that. And that's how we decided in that era that it was going to be. You guys have decided it's going to be a wide open, three point shooting error. Every generation gets to choose how they want their error to be. They really do. They get to choose how they want it to be. So I don't even look at it now. I really don't. He and I had this conversation. And I said, I said, and I told him, I said, I don't even look at the game now and go, oh man, they should be playing like, I don't even look at like that. I look at it and go, this is how their error is going to be defined because this is the style that they want to play. Who knows ten years from now, 15 years from now, how the game is going to look. It may look totally different than it looks right now. And so I just, I really believe that. I believe every generation, they get to dictate what that error is going to be like. Ours was what it was. It was like, okay. Well, and draymond's in Michigan guy grew up I'm sure idolizing your teams was he did the conversation was it about the fact that he also romanticizing that era in that style of play was he saying he won a little bit more of that. I mean, I could see him going either way because he's a product of this era and his thrived in this era, but at the same time draymond is draymond. So yeah, well, by the way, I suspect this will not be the last conversation the two of you have. Well, it was about a disparate issue that I was talking to. But that's my take clear. But no, he grew up at my house. And so he and a bunch of kids, football NFL guys and NBA guys grew up with my son at my house. So I've been knowing him since 12, 13 years old. And so he's a kid that stayed at my house growing up. So we can have, we can have some real honest conversations. And so we were just talking about the eras and, you know, because he does a lot of that stuff on his podcast about comparing the errors. And he said, what do you think about that? And I just told him like, look, this is y'all's era. Like you don't have to play like we did in the 80s and 90s. You guys get to dictate and he hadn't thought about it like they said, you're right. I said yeah, this is your error. I don't get to tell you guys how to play. And the guys from the 70s or whatever, they didn't get to tell us how to play it. I said, so I'm not trying to tell you how to play. I'll just, I'll just look at it and enjoy it. And I said to him and go, yeah, that should have been a little bit more physical right there. But you still get to choose it, man. Yeah. Those are going to be some interesting phone conversations in the future, 'cause I know those are gonna happen. The fact that you guys have known each other since, you know, way back when it's a whole other dimension. Yes. He knows me though. I've dealt discipline with him before. Before he is one of us in our roles right now. So he understands. Now I'm curious, what's the first thing you ever had to discipline draymond green for when he was 12 years old? Maybe too deep in the eyes there. Draymond will tell us himself on his

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

02:09 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

01:33 min | 4 months ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

03:52 min | 1 year ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

"Beach biens enzo as a biens. Enzo yeah i got it be. Enzo are mad chris. It's the guy saw brother. He's fed us. You know that be. Enzo was happening going on you interested in another bet. Hey did you get the package. I said oh. Yeah i got it i gotta thank you okay good. Yeah yeah cited. But that's all right. I i went on the wristband right now. Actually the answer to the question. Okay go ahead and of course the no way. No how respite. So that's one question. So you rob jj myself oh. Tell me why you not excited toby. Enzo well i mean. I definitely think phoenix to make it. I thought it was gonna be a bucks against the clippers when seeing phoenix. He like. I didn't even think phoenix that you're gonna get out the force around and all the lakers were healthy. I mean a lot of people picked him. Certainly in the west co-. I wasn't playing coalisland flame. They are not even. They're not in the finals at all. Tomorrow i hear that but if lebron dear healthy maybe they'd beat the clippers. I mean we could play that we could play the point. Is i get it. But but you gotta chris at least just three of the biggest stars in the western conference out. I saw. i'm not i'm not. Let me ask you what were you. When when isaiah thomas and joe dumars won their first championship in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Where were you writing. You weren't in detroit. I wanna to detroit. Then but but i you writing columns for the nba. I was. I was a beat writer. What year was that again. I nine nine thousand nine hundred. I was covering. I was covering the nets back then but i would. You have ripped detroit because i because magic. Johnson only plays seventy five minutes. No finals i because that upstream i get that what i'm talking about all the like. Have you ever seen a team like go. Through four rounds of the playoffs into the champion. I'm wet. that's all i'm saying. Only the strong survive. Wow okay well it is. I mean i get it. Of course. I don't think either one of these things would be very healthy. But hey i'm not gonna fault them or hold it against them because they survived. They were healthy they. He's sorry. gloria gaynor. That's should be the theme song for the couple of kristen rob coming to you. Live from the fox sports radio studios our next guest. It's going to be a quick when unfortunately we got a little behind but vinnie goodwill yahoo sports senior. Nba writer. what's up brother. How ourself vinnie rob over there. You know doing all the extra talking right. My also my parents. It's all you got eight minutes for you. We got you got you. Let's give it to them. How rob and we got. We got bills to pay me. I know we go get you. The boss found rob. Don't try to avoid this. Rob just spent an entire segment. Vinnie talking about how these finals are. Food gezi because of all the injuries. I know you ain't rocket with that when you got rob pocket talking basketball strike one. That's so gay z. Right that's yeah. That's that's that's right more. Like what if what if fake what is fake. Or who gave the about these bounce. The milwaukee books. I've been you know contenders for years. The nba always has injuries. Every single. more stopping rob. If you wanna put after by this year you can put an asterisk by plenty of other years..

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"joe dumars" Discussed on The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

04:23 min | 1 year ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

"I think he deserves. I think rob some of it. Obviously he wants to win for himself. He's competitive but some of robin you've seen guys over the years. I'm sure you agree with me. That damian lillard thinks he's every bit as good steph curry absolutely any no respect for staff but anybody in the league. When you're on that level would make less like. He's not better than me. i mean. i needed disrespectful. It's just he's on that level and that's what he feels like he's looking at it and steph is going to go down the second greatest point guard ever at least right now is what people are saying dame. Where's he like his. You know what i mean like. You don't hear him. In the top ten all time point guards and discussion and all that and largely rob is because of the winning or the lack thereof and so dame is like and i think lebron came to lebron was still being called obviously a great time player but he also knew rob he would not be viewed as you know in the goat conversation or autan great unless he won rings kevin knew he had to win rings. You did not have a championship at this point. New eighty ripped as great as is and we both say lebron would've won if he stuck it out but he was so afraid that he would wind up. And i say this not ripping charles barkley. He didn't want to be charles. Barkley like dyke like he feared it. You know what. I mean like being a great player. Who didn't win and go ahead. I'm sorry no. I'll say i think that's why when he decided okay. I need to make a move here. But damian lillard i mean you got to figure it out. I think i'm not blaming him if he if he goes to kneel o'shea gm says look let's work on a trade. If i'm chauncey i'm like wow you know like not only see i see a year i mean i may be wrong but i think i think there's a good chance he says look. Let's try for year. See what chauncey does defensively offense of the you know what i mean. Give him a shot and see what they can do. I would hope so to be honest because that's a lot. Yes we pulled the plug on him. He just got her right. That would be and they're probably talking. Don't you think and you know. I remember this chris. To when joe dumars took over the pistons. What was the first thing that happened. Do you remember when 'cause joe was in front office. The first year like learning he won the riccar loud no knows play. A walked on him agreeing. That was the first thing that happened. S. and joe dumars and joe. If you remember one man didn't make it like a like i'm not gonna let to a sign and trade to let him get his maximum amount of money and all that because you remember. You got ben wallace but yes so he it with sign israel right. I'm saying he didn't. He didn't hold it against grant. He got wallace in that trade. He got ben wallace in chucky. Atkins if you remember chris. And that was the cornerstone..

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"joe dumars" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

05:58 min | 1 year ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Sam and was like oh we shouldn't on Bob I'll give you everything. You know what I mean? And and and it's and it was dirt, that presumably came from different places like the stuff with them. Outing and the 2020 draft. And now I will say this to like I talked to look, I don't know what happened there, but I do know that there were a couple of agencies that weren't super happy with the Mavs draft process on. Their end will put it that way. And that's another interesting constituency to consider in some of this type of stuff. And as the peace God bless you and I thought I thought to me this was the money the money quote was from an unnamed team source which is always fun. Basically that Cuban is the most important person in the Mavericks organization and number two is whoever he listens to right and wrong, that means you get all of this complicated stuff in terms of soft power and hard power of terms of like, okay, if Cuban is the decider who actually has his ear and it gets in a point where titles don't matter anymore. And I mean, titles referring to job titles, not championships. Yeah, and it is extremely difficult to calibrate in those circumstances off. I could even lead to a circumstance where like maybe Bob Lee Garris isn't on the payroll anymore but he still has power within your organization. It could work either verse. It's like what happens in Sacramento, right? It's Whoever has vivec. See, Ur life whenever you talk to people in Sacramento, right? Like like Joe Dumars vivex, the air while he wasn't working for the organization seemingly. So yeah I mean that that's what happens with these ownership situations that are very involved. And look, I don't mean to compare a mark cubin to perfect. I think that would be wholly, unfair to Cuban, you know, he's just not a meddler wage that he is involved from what I gather. But, but, you know, not nearly as impulsive and impatient with these things, right? So it's, it's interesting though that in light of that story, like, and you wonder, I mean, yeah. I I have a lot of, I don't want to like get into like the background of that with like one of our stories of the song. I'm just fascinated by how that came together literally just like, hey everybody, let's go. Shit on Bob Harris hour. I mean, it was like back to McMahon also reported that they've hired Sports ology, which is is sports ology, which is a consulting firm that has often been used in Jim searches to look for new head of basketball, guys. But is that a Mike 40, right? It is Jose. Yeah. So we'll see, I mean, there's there is a lot that we will learn about the Mavericks. I mean, they haven't changed Personnel leaders in a long time. And so will learn a Cuban and his process by what we can tell about the power structure whenever they hire an announced the next steps. Yep. Okay there that's a lot. That's pretty much everything I think I think so. The other thing that came out during that time cuz I know you have thoughts on it was that lamelo ball was announced as for his ear. Oh okay, expected. Yeah, song. Anthony Edwards. Had a great second half of the year, but was not awesome in the first half, right?.

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"joe dumars" Discussed on Sports Talk 1050 WTKA

Sports Talk 1050 WTKA

06:25 min | 1 year ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on Sports Talk 1050 WTKA

"You're in the Hall of Fame brother will deserve. Congratulations. Congratulations. Jalen Anthony Rose. It's crazy, man. Thank God for your beautiful, wonderful mother because you know what she did for me. Thank you, brother. I love you. I appreciate you. I love you, too. Thank you. For this. This is the end zone and welcome back to the end zone. Jamie Morris, Dennis 50th. Matty it man Miss Lor over at the Taj Mahal. And yes, that was Jalen Rose and Chris Webber calling each names calling each other their full names, letting America no. And on ESPN on me on the basketball show yesterday, which Chris Webber was announced to be the 20. 21 Hall of Fame. Also in that Hall of Fame was been Wallace and Dennis. There's a lot of people in between. Yeah. People saying, what happened. There's some more guys that on that team should be. You know, should be in the Hall of Fame if they if they shouldn't have been Before Ben Wallace. They should be. Well, I mean, the following year after Ben Wallace that took that team to that championship and beat the Lakers that year. Yeah, You know what? It Zen interesting thing, Because normally when you're looking at the last team that was really a five guy. Five teen unit without a superstar Woz. You know the 2003 Pistons, so they're one off type team, and it feels like You know, all of them like with with Ben Wallace is going in its recognition for all of them. I don't think that you know, the Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame considers your college resume as well, You know, rip when he was at Yukon What? He was able to be there, so I would think that, you know, Rip Hamilton what would have a shot? I mean, I love Chauncey Billups. And you know Rashid and take time, but I don't think that they're going to get put into the Hall of fame. But I think rib could One day when you take a look at it, but it's really all five of them where you feel like you know, they were They were that team. They were anti MBA. You know, they went up there and The earth of the old, four or five All Star game were four of them are out there with Paul Pierce and the right Eastern Conference was way down and they all came in, and instead of playing like they really, usually everybody plays. Selfishly and Showtime and no defense in the All Star game. They were sharing the ball. They're playing defense and they came all the way back was one of the great moments for the Pistons. But Yeah, they were like this year was so many players like missing games and load management and in the hole, the Pistons were sore, some different that it really wasn't going to work. They were punching the clock and in Ben Wallace was the leader of all that Ben Wallace was he didn't have much offensive game it all It really didn't like. He's a Hall of Famer because what he did on the defensive side really was the one side of the ball type player. He's the worst free throw shooter in NBA history. Yeah, 42%. So it was all about him and Being the face of the Pistons for the six years I'm going to the Eastern Conference Finals. Two of those, you know, going to the finals, winning the championship. And then you know, being the great defensive player when in the player of the year that of defensive player of the year four times so something else therefore, for Ben You're the pro. I e. And, yes, you make a great point, then represents that team and that those years, But I mean, When I look at the Pistons, I mean, there are other guys that could be I'm just gonna throw this out there did this Robin, It's not a bad choice to be No. All the faith. I mean, I don't know if I even go in as a business. But why Whitney? I mean, he was stronger at his best. He's in the Hall of Fame he went, you know, after what he did with the Pistons, another Guys that like Ben Wallace, just you know, when you think a great defensive player great rebounder mean That's Dennis Robinson putting up the silly numbers and then because what he did when he went with the Bulls and one of the championships, and Danny went out to L A. And one more so he's Just championship after Championship for the For the worm, you know, And that's the funny thing about Ben Wallace is that he was one undrafted like that's not happening like that doesn't happen. You know you go and become an all Star and become a Hall of Famer by being an undrafted player. That's unheard of. I think he's the first one. Actually, that is a Hall of Famer that was undrafted. And then the Pistons didn't even like it was a consolation prize. The Pistons hired Joe Dumars because they wanted Grant Hill. To re sign with them, and that's why they had. Joe Dumars is the general manager. They thought that they he was going to be the guy that was going to be able to woo and keep Grant Hill. And Grant Hill decided. You know what? No, I'm leaving. I'm leaving for the warmer temperature in the big money of Orlando. But because he had respect for Joe Dumars, he did to a sign and trade. The Pistons got two players that at the time, you know Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace, you know, just kind of shrug your shoulders like these. The two guys they're getting for Grant Hill. We better top pick in the NBA draft. You know, I think about so much. You know of getting the first or second overall pick or third overall pick and there was Grant Hill. You know, that was the pick that we had there to get Grant Hill. He was supposed to turn the franchise around and everything but Hey, did you the sign a trade, which he you know for him, too. But it was so the Pistons were able to get Ben Wallace in that, along with Chucky Atkins and Jackie was a little part of it, too. But Yeah. 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"joe dumars" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

03:52 min | 2 years ago

"joe dumars" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP

"He's getting that second. That that Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars attention. You know what it means, like We gotta worry about the primary school in Austin. So yeah, he's gonna be great when there's another primary scorer. Nonsense. Zack doesn't have that Zach is more athletic. Exactly bigger and exactly. There's more explosive. And he has that type of athleticism and those type of gift that Hey, has superstar potential. I think that Um, I think the problem with the Bulls and the ball in years and the Hoiberg years that they were trying to make him something else. We were trying to make him off facilitated. They're trying to make him get other guys going when the reality reality is the way that he gets guys going is by getting going himself. And Now he's garnering the attention of the entire defense. And now Lowry can miss those open shots that he's getting for him. You know, when Dale Carter could be whatever he is, I'm not even sure he's like a 67. Powers dinner, You know, I mean, they just need to, you know, go ahead and send him out to pasture. I thanks. I appreciate it. And there was I don't want to overrate one moment that I saw on TV. It was a game a game or two ago, It was either Dallas or this last game. What they won, where they was a time out on the floor. Zach was walking to the bench in Billy Donovan met him out a little further onto the floor and was pointing here pointing their Zach was looking right at him and then motioning with his hands there, and then he looked at him and he nodded and he went to the bench. That would have been greeted last year with an eye roll. Do you know what I mean? Like it? Boiling would have said something to him. He would have rolled his eyes and walked away. But like they're engaged, they're listening. They're being coached by a professional right now. Harada in Cicero. You're on ESPN 1000. What's up, Sherrod? Harry, I've got to meet here. Please just pass on what the brother said before about exact like you gotta understand. Like brother came out. You see that lady? Extremely young. He has been paid to the point I soon got. He blew out his knee come back and have a piss poor culture and everything he's learned everything. He's done. Done on the fly until he got hold of Billy Donovan and he's still getting your 22 23 24 25 points again. 27 points again. And this kid has looked at like her. But he ain't happy today. Winning. You gotta be more careful. Everybody was heard as well. That old thing was hurt. Everybody was herded. He's had people heard around him. I love him, so it's hard to win like that, and he's been doing what he's doing and fight. Having Is that thing in his way He's been doing it in spite up, so I'm like, Yo, I'm looking at him. I'm like, I don't know what we're looking for. We had Jimmy Butler. But he wasn't a star. So we got rid of him and that we still looking for the next Jimmy. Now we got him like I don't know what we're looking for exactly. I was like, What was we doing, man? This is not what this is about. Like you said, Sylvie, we add two. We don't take away from you Don't just find 27 points a game. This plan stinks. Success with six rebounds. You know, this is a fad, the 6 ft six explosive consumptive Jim Adlai and but said before he is our number one to Kian, and if the Bulls such a bad thing he's still getting 30. Still gave him 35. You still get him? 38? Because this kid is talented. This kid that was over 30? Yeah. Sure I thank you. The good collar. Sherrod. We're rhythm at the end. There was a little screwed up. We were dancing. Speaking of that we've needed contestant right now for my wife for radio partners Dance. 3123323776 what we'll call her. Would you like to play a waddle? Let's go number 50 for Mike Singletary mikes and possibly your next D c waddles Gonna love that will play my wife, a radio partner..

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Vlade Divac steps down as Kings general manager

Tolbert, Krueger and Brooks

00:19 sec | 2 years ago

Vlade Divac steps down as Kings general manager

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ESPN Michael Jordan doc: 'The Last Dance' episode 3-4 highlights

Pro Football Talk with Mike Florio

04:37 min | 2 years ago

ESPN Michael Jordan doc: 'The Last Dance' episode 3-4 highlights

"From now last night the last dance Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls we have a so it's three and four and these two episodes centered on two different revolving storyline it's been a little bit confusing as great as the filmmaking is it's been a little confusing if they darted back and forth between eras the reason they're doing this is not just a start to finish documentary the timeline of the nineteen ninety Chicago Bulls which which start hypothetically would Jordan gets there the eighties then go right through nineteen ninety eight instead of it's built around the all access footage that they got in nineteen ninety eight and so that's got to be at the core of it and then they build around that the sub plots of what happened with Jordan first got there the building of the culture of the hiring of Phil Jackson the resentment of the Jerry Krause the addition of Scotty Pippin all these little things along the way and so last A. U. two totally different eras kind of combining these two episodes the one era being the nineteen late nineteen eighties early nineteen nineties wars with the Detroit Pistons the bad boys pits and buys that Thomas Joe Dumars and Dennis Rodman and then the modern carnival surrounding Dennis Rodman with the bulls and I say moderate in air quotes because it was nineteen ninety eight so you have the late eighties wars with the pistons and the late nineties battles in keeping Dennis Rodman on tracks was been a little confusing to go back and forth if you're not really familiar with how the whole thing unfolded I thought as I assumed that the episode against the episode of the wars with the pistons were going to was going to be one of the most captivating if not the most captivating because it is a moment in time where Michael still can't win and I think that there is I don't want to see it inaccurate because it is accurately the the reputation of Michael Jordan's accurately depicted as six time champion he did those things he was six now in the NBA finals six NBA finals MVP awards they never went to a game seven so is accurately depicted as a winner but what is often times forgotten is there is a chunk of his career he is not a winner and when I see the tear downs of lebron James o'reilly C. with anybody's compared to Michael of they don't have the killer instinct they're not a winner they don't take the last shot all this stuff that really is surrounded lebron by and large but it's hit other players as well and kind of makes everybody pal compares to Michael I keep reminding myself and those around me yeah but Michael wasn't always Michael that we know him now he's a finished product he is now a icon he was a winner but there were years that's the reason is because I watch those years had remember getting Sports Illustrated the mail where it said basically you don't the pistons are stopping Michael Jordan could can Michael didn't get past the pistons can Michael Jordan win a championship and that the conversation at that time nationally was Michael great individual player cannot win the title is not good enough to make his teammates better in Seoul I was glad that that part of the narrative is being talked about with that with the pistons that does our blood feuds and Michael could not get over this any loss to the pistons three consecutive years the only highlight the last two years the United ninety last night they lost we get eighty eight as well that is three years off Hey gene for Michael to after where they did they finally get over to nineteen ninety one so those wars to me were the most fascinating part about last night's two episodes because that to me is one of those interesting errors if not the most interesting era of the bulls is that they are better than garbage which they were when he took over when when he got drafted they're not as good as they were when it was assumed they would just blow through the league they're in this transition state it it's almost like it's almost like growing from a warm or caterpillar to a butterfly it's in that moment is the nineteen ninety in nineteen ninety one pivot point post seasons where they lose to the to the pistons in seven and then they finally beat him in nineteen ninety one by sweeping them and I say and the bad boy pistons walk off the floor before the game is over and don't shake the

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