15 Episode results for "Joe Colom"

BWDs Origin Stories: Joe Coulombes Quirky Legacy at Trader Joes

Business Wars Daily

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

BWDs Origin Stories: Joe Coulombes Quirky Legacy at Trader Joes

"From wondering I'm David. Brown and this is business wars daily on this Monday August third. During the pandemic, the news has been rushing by faster than a bullet train. It's easy to get caught up in the daily news overlook the big picture. So this week we're taking a little step back in looking at the origin stories of some of America's most iconic companies I in our series trader. Joe's it's founder Joe Colom died in. March, at the age of eighty nine trader Joe's of course, is the neighborhood grocery chain that transformed millions of people, shoppers, and employees alike into cult-like fans. The impact of his markets has been so significant that the Washington Post called Coloma cultural icon there's no trader Joe's near You well, let me. Step back for just a second and tell you the story. It was nineteen, sixty, seven Joe Coolum. Thirty seven had built a chain of eighteen convenience stores in California when gigantic seven eleven came along and he realized he couldn't compete according to the New York Times. The had to find something else to do one day. Kulam read that sixty percent of young people who were qualified to go to college. We're going thank you GI bill. He also read that Boeing was building a plane, the seven, thirty seven that would give more people the opportunity to travel overseas the assumed more international travel would make Americans pallets more adventurous New York Times reported. The idea for trader Joe's a store with fresh produce, sophisticated flavors and good wine affordable prices was born he opened the first one in Pasadena California that year famously Kulon conceived of Trader Joe's is a store for the quote over educated and underpaid his stores would serve budding foodies who wanted something more than they could get it typical supermarkets but who couldn't pay a fortune for it and something? More was what he built quirky stores with. South. Seas flair shelves stocked with Exotic Cheeses and gourmet foods from other countries and eventually natural foods and organic produce. He also trained cashiers to be both friendly and authentic a tradition that continues. So strongly today that following colognes death one woman tweeted name one mental health professional that could teach me as much about emotional intimacy as a trader. Joe's cashier. The hawaiian-shirted workers often seem so unusually pleasant that people ask why they seem so happy. It isn't simply good customer service training that accounts for the smile. It's no Colom also believed in treating employees well, today according to the trader Joe's claims that its workers are among the industry's best compensated employees they receive annual raises ranging from seven to ten percent health insurance starts on. Day One more than one person tweeted that trader Joe's covered health crises that other companies would likely not such as the woman who claimed that her colleague faced a two million dollar bill for brain cancer treatments. But with trader, Joe's health insurance he paid nothing as the A. P. noted, many workers have stayed with trader Joe's for decades in an industry marked by high turnover. From colognes ethics good food at affordable prices came hundreds of store brand items like Granola in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two unheard of cookie butter and frozen Mac and cheese also California wines at unheard of prices. Such as the Charles Shaw wine still referred to as two buck chuck although today, it costs a little more outside California in nineteen seventy, nine Colom sole trader. Joe's do Al D. Nord German grocery chain not the same one that owns the strip down budget priced Aldi supermarkets coolum remained on as CEO until nineteen eighty-eight. The original host of the company is still firmly intact today trader Joe's boasts five hundred stores across the. Country in two, thousand, fourteen, The New York Times described unique as quote, equal parts, gourmet shop, discount warehouse, and Tiki trading. Post. The company is hardly without its challenges. It faces a giant rival in whole foods owned by Amazon aldis, which is owned by German firm Aldea sued a sort of second cousin to trader Joe's owner Aldi Nord is making a big push in America and reportedly beach trader Joe's on price. Then there are complaints. About the downsides of popularity to especially given trader Joe's famously small stores and parking lots long lines overcrowding running out of favorite items and too many choices meaning shopping can take too long for efficiency minded cooks according to slate. The difficulties are so rampant that blogs and magazines frequently published hacks better ways to shop at trader Joe's and finally trader Joe's has been under fire for using stereotypical brand names in July seventeen year old. started a petition demanding trader. Joe's retire ethnic food names like trader wings for its Chinese food and trader Jose for its Mexican products trader Joe's plans to change some names packaging. Regardless of these new challenges, it would be foolish to overlook the contribution joke who made to the entrepreneurial economy to loyal employees and to America's kitchens. Now, if you don't mind I, think I'm going to go out to give one of those bottles to check. From. Wandering his business wars daily subscribe on Apple Podcast spotify. The wonder we apple wherever you're listening right now join wondering, blushing, wondering APP to listen at Breeze. I'm your host David Brown. This episode was written and produced by Elaine appleby Graham edited by import our executive producer is Marshall. Created by. Renowned look. David Brown. You may know me is the host of business wars and business wars daily, but I also love to listen to podcasts to just like you. been listening to my favorite wondering shows in the new ones out the APP understand how we listen to podcasts and makes it easier than ever to do. You can also save your discoveries on our list. So you can go back and listen at your convenience. 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NPR News: 02-29-2020 4PM ET

NPR News Now

00:00 sec | 9 months ago

NPR News: 02-29-2020 4PM ET

"Her live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein the first. Us death from the new corona virus has been confirmed an individual in Seattle whose health was already compromised. President Trump held a news conference this afternoon and as NPR's Tamra Keith. Reports he's urging Americans to go about their daily lives. Health officials and president trump insists the risk to Americans remains quite low. Despite new cases not linked to travel overseas as with the common flu. People who are older and have other risk factors like obesity and diabetes are at greater risk for severe illness if they contract the virus but trump sought to reassure people who are in good health healthy people. If you're healthy You will probably go through a process and and you'll be fine. The administration is instituting new travel restrictions for people who've been to Iran and is urging Americans not to travel to certain parts of Italy and South Korea Tamra Keith. Npr news the White House the US and the Taliban have signed a deal. That president trump describes as a powerful path forward to end the war in Afghanistan and bring. Us troops home trump sent his secretary of state to Doha for the signing as NPR's Michele Keleman reports secretary of state. Mike Pompeo says the US will be watching closely to see if the Taliban follows through on their commitments to break with al Qaeda and begin. Peace talks with Afghanistan's government and civil society leaders. This is how we will ensure that. Ghanistan never again serves as a base for international terrorists. The Taliban official who signed the deal says he hopes with the withdrawal of foreign forces that Afghanistan can embrace a new prosperous life the US will begin the process of drawing down troops to eighty six hundred in the first one hundred thirty five days U. S. officials say the rest will be drawn down as conditions allow Michelle Kellerman. Npr News Washington voters in South. Carolina are going to the polls to cast ballots in the Democratic primary fifty four pledged. Delegates are at stake. Npr's Brian Naylor reports the South Carolina. Primary is an open one meaning independents and Republicans can also vote at a rally in Columbia last night Pete. Buddha judge urged voters of every stripe to cast their ballots for him. That's part of how we'RE GONNA win by gathering everybody up into this movement by calling people together not by calling people names. Two thirds of South Carolina Democrats are African American former vice president. Joe Biden is thought to have the inside track for their votes but other candidates including Bernie Sanders and Tom. Steyer has been working hard here. Star spent nearly twenty four million dollars on ads in the state far more than any other candidate. Brian Naylor. Npr News Columbia South Carolina. This is NPR. China has released new data. Showing Chinese manufacturing activity plunged this month. Quarantine to contain the new corona virus have shuttered stores and kept millions away from work. Europe could face a new migrant crisis. Turkey's president has opened borders to allow migrants mostly from neighbouring Syria to head to Europe. Npr's Peter Kenyon reports Repti- bear to one says Turkey can't handle a new wave of migrants as airstrikes in Syria intensify. Everyone order the country's border guards to stand down Friday and hundreds of migrants surge toward the Greek border. Air To own is continuing the practice Saturday as he calls on the European Union to uphold. Its End of two thousand sixteen deal with Turkey to stem the tide of refugees heading for Europe separately. Erdo on has also asked Russian leader Vladimir Putin to step aside in Syria to allow Turkish forces to deal with Syrian regime forces who attacked Turkish troops Friday killing thirty four and wounding dozens. More air to one says he told Putin and a phone call to let Turkey. Do what is necessary to deal with the Syrian military forces adding that Turkey will not immediately withdraw from Syria. Peter Kenyon NPR news. Istanbul the man who founded the popular grocery store chain trader. Joe's has died. Joe Colom tapped into a growing appetite for international organic and fresh foods in the nineteen sixties. He told The Los Angeles Times he thought the store would draw over. Educated and underpaid consumers. Colom was eighty. Nine I'm Barbara Klein NPR news.

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Episode 9: Around the World in 80 Trader Joe's Products (Give or Take)

Inside Trader Joe's

20:58 min | 2 years ago

Episode 9: Around the World in 80 Trader Joe's Products (Give or Take)

"From the trader Joe's mothership in Monrovia, California. And from around the world, Italy, Israel, Greece, the Republic of Georgia, Japan Korea, New Zealand, Mexico, Thailand, the United States. Let's go inside. Trader joe's. I'm Tara Miller. The director of words, and phrases and causes. And I'm manslaughter in the marketing product guy this episode is titled around the world in eighty trader Joe's products give or take at traderjoes. Our crew goes just about everywhere, literally circumnavigating the globe on a weekly basis to satiate your unrelenting desire for new food discoveries. You may think that's overly dramatic. But it's not hyperbolic. Our crew does have their fair share of adventures from around the world or around the corner as they searched for new products and on this episode. We'll ask them to tell you some of their better stories at trader Joe's. We really do. Discover cultures of the world through food. When Joe Colom was really sort of shaping the idea that would become trader Joe's, it was within the context of people are gonna start flying around the world and seeing new things and eating new things and tasting tastes that they want to be able to taste when they're back home. You may have been in France and had this terrific cheese. But you may not have made it to the Republic of Georgia and had these really interesting dumplings that makes me want to travel even more. So we're talking to Arlene and Jenny who are product innovators here at trader Joe's are essentially the boots on the ground. We travel the world, and we find the wildfire customers you kind of have the coolest job in the world. Yeah. Find I feel very blessed. Very blessed. Everyone tells me that the media reaction is that is so cool. You don't get. Why did you discontinue jasmine green tea? That's what I the second. Yeah. Yeah. One of the best part is constantly experiencing. Nut sense of discovery. Like having something for the first time or seeing something for the first time like I really value experiences. And I mean, that's that's what I want for customers. Product innovation. Sounds like a fancy way to describe the treasure hunt. Like going into a trader Joe's and finding something that you never knew existed. And all of a sudden, it just might become your new favorite thing. We travel the world we try to. Find things in different corners of the world that people can't get to. Yeah. It's it's go go go. How many countries have you visited do, you know? Can you give me a ballpark since the past two years? Goodness. Maybe like fifteen to twenty at. I don't know. It's like so many every time I put a list together. I'm like, wow. All over Europe. Italy, Germany, France, Greece New Zealand Japan, Thailand, Mexico, actually, one of my friend's dad every time I see him. He loves us. So where to go and some lines of work. They would they would discover the culture through music or through art. And we discovered the culture of through the food. What is what's your favorite trip that you've been on from a product development standpoint, there's a couple, but I would say one that is the most recent is Republic of Georgia. The what was really interesting to me is that the us tons of wild herbs, and they have tons of. Dips, and you know, we love dip since so I thought dot translated pretty well. They have dumplings. So dumplings like perogie or dumplings more like a typical Asian dumpling. They literally looked like the soup dumplings like the Chinese soup dumplings, but they're huge. They're like, maybe like half of your hand. And how you need it. You flip it over and take a little bit of nib in suck all the soup out and slowly finish it, and you can toss the knob because it's can be a little bit doughy or people like it if they like chewy texture and they're filled with meat. Yes. So they're they're traditionally filled with me, I think be four like beef and lamb or just lamb but nowadays, you can find mushrooms vegetables cheese potatoes, like all sorts of different fillings, Jenny. You recently went to New Zealand any products that you that came in from that experience. Yeah. Actually one that I am super excited about it's coming out this holiday season. It's the essential oils, and if user gift set, and it includes a really. Innovative and different type of diffuser. It's wool ball strung together. And we'll is actually a really great carrier of essential oils. It's why she poise smell so great. Everyone who's ever been to? But maybe if they had a central oils than they might you're onto something I've seen lots of battery operated or electric diffusers, and you put a few drops of oil with water. And but this requires none of that just says set it out and it just works. Yeah. You put a few drops on the ball, and you can mix and match the different essential oils, which I liked to do. Yeah. That's a holiday holiday only product. And when it's gone it's gone, and it's a one shot at least for this year. Exactly. Yep. It's already gone to work in my house. So to really nice, really good stuff. Loved the lemon. Any airport stories that are sharable any any fun travel stories that you think are are worthy of sharing so many. But I don't know if they're appropriate. I do have one it was not an airport story, but early didn't and Laurie and I were in Bangkok, and if you've ever been in Bangkok, you know, that there are these motorized scooters everywhere, and you have to pay attention or off something's going to happen. And I I had a little run in with the suitor. I'm okay obvious sick here. But the funniest part about it was I looked back and the driver had this ear to ear grin on his face. Almost you made his quote for the day. Yikes. Yeah. Okay. So the lesson is for that that one night in Bangkok look both kids. I knew you'd get the reference. Do you have any Eureka moments? You're standing in a street market in Bangkok before you get hit by the scooter and something strikes. You is like oh, yes. This is going to be great trip. We did last year and went to Israel round November. I was probably one of the highlight trips as well. We had something called the, and it's basically a pita sandwich. So you have half the pita, and there's roasted eggplant cabbage pickled turnips, some HAMAs and this thing called Ombu sauce, which is pickled mango sauce, and the combination of all these flavors is just kind of like an explosion in your mouth as soon as we had that we knew we had to create and potatoes. And it is it's on the way it'll becoming so like freshly made sandwich. Yeah. It'll be in the fresh section along. Side, the other wraps and solid to bring your own pita or anything. Be liable. Yeah. You know me. Here's an update since we spoke with Jenny and Arlene they've headed out on another adventure hater, Matt it's Jenny. This is Arleen. And we're here in Seoul, South Korea. Hey, Jenny and Arlene. Walking through the streets. And there's a ton of vendors here food vendors, so we're going to try this first vendor. It's they're selling dope. Bookie that. I say that right, Jenny donnas. Perfect early. Hi, good. So what it is? It's a rice cake that's kind of Mucci like very similar to Neo key, actually. And we know our customers love those. Then it's in this red sauce of very spicy red sauce of they believed their school Chung in it. It's so delicious. It's something I create all the time. Yes. It's chewy spicy. It's super delicious. It's not to love. For the soaps. So you put in right now, we're at the soap factory that makes our macaroni soaps that we're going to carry during the holidays. This is actually made for us from a third generation family owned. Yeah. The from what they told us the his grandparents started out with an herb farm, and that's kind of how they slowly got into fragrances natural fragrances. Mr. So it's actually really difficult to not walk into these of personal care Sasha beauty stores because they are every corner fray Jenny don't you think it's like, yeah. There's more of these beauty shops than coffee shops. Erupts restaurants there. It's pretty remarkable. How many of these are one after another after another? Yes. So we're we're checking out one of them today. And when you walk in it's just rows and rows of Beijing mass, which is really done. Well, so we're just we're seeing what what other ideas, we can get. Yeah. There's collagen we're seeing vitamin c peptide nail snail. Yes. Snail mask. Delicious. Over and you are trip has come to an end. And although we're super sad girl really excited to go back, home and share with everyone. What we've discovered now? We'll see real soon on. Yes. Okay travel safely. And we'll look forward to sampling. Some of the great stuff you found in Korea met you used to work in product innovation. It was a lot of back to the drawing board. It was a lot of tasting panels. Where the tasting panel said this isn't good enough. We're going to take you to another top secret. Trader Joe's tasting panel. I think one of the biggest challenges for this very small crack team that we call the product innovators is to convey to those on the tasting panel that what they're doing makes sense. And it's worth pursuing a lot of this stuff can just seem wacky. L nine dollars. So today, I'm repent laying these edible spoons. It's an edible spoon it eats and tastes kind of like a plane cracker. It has a really neutral flavor. It goes well with pretty much about anything I was able to eat a whole bowl of our organic red pepper and. Tomato soup, and it stayed crunchy till the end, and it was really satisfying to have sort of that car crunchiness in the last few bites of soup. The from the last panel was we wanted to replace the butter in it to make it beacon. We've done that we have Sunfire oil. Now, it's replace the butter with at four ninety nine for twelve spoons. We thought the price point was a little bit too high. So we got it down to three ninety nine for twelve spoons. These I can say are truly sustainable, and I think, and I think that our customers would really get excited about this. They're coming from Puerto Rico. You know, what the packaging looks like? This would be the packaging. It's a recyclable pouch number one recyclability great question. I would like to see this come in at three ninety nine. Okay. That passes. The edible spoons are approved and melting ice cream Soldo next. The next item was inspired by Neopolitan. Joe Joe's at two ninety nine so phenomenal success therefore wanted to make a Neopolitan Joe Joe ice cream. It starts with a base of strawberry and vanilla ice cream. There's a chocolate such swirl throughout there's some pieces and finally our Neopolitan. Judges is twelve percent butterfat. Forty-nine percent overrun, which is in line with our seasonal ice creams. I'm proposing to in a pint as opposed show court just because this gives our customers opportunity to try different flavors. So by their favorite everyday items. It would retail for two ninety nine pumps on pints of ice cream started three ninety nine and go up, and the slavery would be entirely. To trader Jess would it be seasonal. It would be seasonal this cooking launched and end of July. So we'd probably with the cookie lawn. Going you three. Mash flavors is there. Another man. Another product approved. That's delicious ice cream. We'll duck out now and go talk to the folks on our wine crew about their travels around the world. I'm Chris Condit. So what I do is. I ever see all the wines that we carry in trader Joes managed the category. I'm Pat empress. I am the one product developer for the Twitter joke comforting a lot of times people associate visiting wine regions with a vacation. Obviously, you guys have to go there for work. It's tough work. But someone's got to do it. But if someone were going to ask you about where to take a wine tasting trip, where would you point them if you haven't been to France and Italy, of course, you have to go to Branson, Italy Frances is ridiculous. I mean, every part of France is amazing. So you have to do the the trip DiPoto you have to go through burgundy, which really puts small wineries small family. Operations in perspective. I mean, there's parcels of land they've been subdivided amongst families for generations. And it's like, you know, three square feet, and those grapes are really precious. I mean, it it's amazing. You know, I like Spain. I don't think I've ever had a bad Spanish red wine Portugal, which I recently was over there investigating some quality ones and Italy is one of my favorite spots. But I have yet. But a great things about South Africa, but the ones were expensive. They're very proud of him. You should definitely go to the tip of the South Island of New Zealand to the marble region. Find a blunt him it's beautiful. It's a essentially a mono varietal area. But the winds are winds terrific. Why is New Zealand Sogno block so good a combination of factors, and I'm not I'm not a scientist. So I'm not sure I'm going to get it. All right, but it's the cool climate. It's right on the coast runs right up the right up the the Blenheim valley their Marlboro, it's the soil. It's the amount of sunlight. Some theories say, and I don't know if it's that supported, but there's a whole new ozone layer over that part of the world, which freckles the grapes gives them a little bit of the sunburn. They say that might impart some of the flavor, so they get this this high acid Hiram attic. Grapefruit lemonade flavor out of those wines and consistently and sounds like you're recommending sort of the archetypal quixotic. You know, like it's Don Quixote like just go there so much to see and it sounds like the good news is there's great wind all around the world an important. The storm is is my part shipwreck tale that were any port in a storm. I hope that makes the final cut. Of course, many of the trader Joe's products, you love are made right here in the good ole US avai, I'm in a longtime. Trader Joe's vendor in southern California. This company has been creating products for trader Joe's for decades, actually. And they make a lot of tortillas for us and some other things as well. We are a family business. My grandfather started the business second-generation took it over and ran it for a number of years recently. We've we've begun to transition to third generation. So that's you. That's me. Can you show us? What's over here? There's a great process because it really demonstrates what we're doing differently. So the henstridge tortilla it's fluffy. Right. Whereas a convention through the class. But here's a place of dough ball and individual adobo on the belt, and then some trained individuals black Sheehan's strict through the round flat shape. But if you're making tortillas from scratch at home, you're stretching them by hand until they get that fluffy or texture. Right. So that that is that then this one in particular. My grandfather started this is the one that is our best selling grandfather started thirty years and still to this day sin. Trader Joe's and still to this day. It's probably. Well, one of our best the excuse, right? I I would argue that maybe it's one of the best that Trudeau's. But that's my. Please told it for thirty years. It must be doing. Okay. Thank you. My grandfather started it, and this is still my father and his siblings that continued it and thankfully, there's something for my family to continue to help grow. My son does work here on summers. He helps box product into the master cases or my daughter who's nine shreds paper. Or does Officeworks? You got to be a little bit safer than than on the factory floor with heavy equipment moving by. But yeah, I think I think they will be involved. And I hope it's not just my children. Maybe my my nieces or nephews got employees have been here generations now right there for grandfather started with my grandfather they've continued on and I've hired some of the new ones, and it's it's it's a center of of of the area the community. So Anthony, we've been talking a lot about trader Joe's products that come from around the world. It's been really nice to be here with you kind of around the corner. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So we're in a group of lots and lots of traderjoes captains right now. This is Ben bradberry. Captain from Daly City, California. What do you if you're having a bunch of people over to watch football game or a customer comes to you with that question. What do you serve or what do you tell that customer? You're either going with the organic tortilla rounds or Janet tortilla triangles. Do you need add a little color gotta go sprouted blue amend. The organic chip differs. Gotta love a man. My name's Jamie. I'm from Atlanta, Georgia wha-. What's what's a big seller in bucket? What what moves a lot through your? We are the cauliflower store. We have so many customers that love our cauliflower gnocchi cauliflower pizza pretty much if it has cauliflower in it. We actually have an entire freezer case dedicated to our cauliflower products. It is absent I think we sold about gosh. I don't know how many units that cauliflower Nokia last week. But it is definitely popular. Hey, thanks for joining us on this trip around the world. We have a favor to ask if you would click on that free. Subscribe button, we're planning on more inside trader, Joe's episodes, and that way, you'll know when they come out subscribing free. And it's worth every penny on our next episode. I hit the road. I'll take you to the new trader Joe's on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, and to the other trader Joe's mothership in Boston to talked with our crew there, by the way, most of them. Huge Red Sox fans about lots of things, including plans to open more neighborhood stores very soon. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening.

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Thanks so you'll hear from any current trader joe's personnel in this rebroadcast either. I hope you enjoy it nonetheless. Let's play shark tank today. You're the investors shark tank. If you don't know is the t._v. Show where people pitch business ideas to famous investors. You might be mark cuban or mr wonderful. You're trying trying to side. Would you invest and that is michael roberto. He's a business professor at bryant university formerly of the harvard business school. There's one lecture. He likes to start start by giving his students. This fictional shark tank pitch. I'd like to open a new kind of grocery store. We're not gonna have any branded items. It's all going to be private private label. We're going to have no television advertising and no social media whatsoever. We're never going to have anything on sale. We're not going to accept coupons. We'll have no loyalty card. We won't have a circular that appears in the sunday newspaper will have no self checkout. We won't have wide aisles or big parking lots uh-huh. Would you invest in my company. And of course you're supposed to think there is no way i'd invest in that company. That sounds like the stupidest company ever and of course get a lot of consternation. That's when roberto reveals that not only does such a grocery store already exist but they're crushing the competition there at the top by wide wide wide margin the sales per square footage estimates are unbelievable means three and four times better some of the leading players in the industry so it sounds like customer customer love this place but you might think a store like this would be brutal to work for and yet it's ranked among the hundred best american companies work for so what's it called trader. Joe's trader joe's true. Joe's trader joe's trader. Joe's i do love traderjoes. There is a good chance you have never shopped at a trader. Joe's maybe never even heard of it. It's got fewer than five hundred stores. The big chains like kroger in albertson's have well over two thousand walmart sells groceries and more than four thousand vits stores and as michael roberto told us trader joe's doesn't advertise is or do a lot of things. The typical grocery store does the typical grocery store has skew count skews stands for stock keeping unit so it's a number of different items carrying a store what's vividly grocery store or supermarket might have thirty five thousand skews right a tremendous selection and variety you go to trader joe's and they only have say three thousand listen stock keeping units and the typical trader joe's grocery business is famous for low profit margins lots of competition and lately an even bigger problem for the first time in history. American consumers are spending more money in restaurants and bars than in grocery stores trader. Joe's seems to be bucking this. This downward trend. It doesn't just have customers. It has fans the first thing i do when i know i'm going somewhere is get on the internet and find where the closest trader joe's is. It's never been easy to run a grocery chain trader. Joe's makes it look easy and weirdly fun. I don't walk into trader. Joe's goes with a strong to do list. It's not a chore when i walk into trader. Joe's it's a variety seeking exercise. So how did he do it. That's the question will try to answer today. A question made more difficult by the fact that trader joe's is a fairly secretive company and i think that some of the secrecy is probably due to who owns them so we put on our freakonomics goggles in an attempt to reverse engineer the secrets of trader joe's which it turns out are incredibly freakonomics. Things like choice architecture decision theory things like nudging and and an embrace of experimentation in fact if freakonomics were the grocery store. It might be a trader joe's or at least try to be. It's like a real life case study of behavioral economics at work so here's the big question if trader joe's really so good should their philosophy be applied applied elsewhere to trader joe's. I can't believe i'm going to say this but should trader joe's be running america <hes> from stitcher and w productions this is freakonomics radio the podcast that explores the hidden side of everything everything. Here's your host stephen duffner. I got interested didn't trader joe's about ten years ago never been to one of their stories but i had a general impression cheap and cheerful relatively laid back and sort of groovy for a grocery store apparently reflection of its urfi california roots also not aggressively health conscious but leaning in that direction and then i read a wall street journal article about a german grocery chain called aldy that was ramping up its u._s. Expansion all the is a super cheap super generic grocery restored more than ninety percent of its products house brands and it was beating even walmart on price. The article said the audi chain had two branches back in germany separately <music> owned by two wealthy brothers named albrecht and that one of those branches also owned trader joe's i found this fact surprising only because when i think of german business practices i don't think of a groovy earthy crunchy california surfer vibe but there it was i also learned that trader. Joe's stores stores were much smaller in typical supermarkets that they had their own way of doing things and the places without trader. Joe's often started petitions to bring one to their town. It was the sort of loony devotion usually reserved for sports teams or your favorite band kinda grocery store following like that and then when i learned that trader goes out sells all other grocery stores per square foot. I really started paying attention. Then one opened up near my office here in new york started shopping shopping there and for the most part loving it. I realize it's not for everyone. In fact predator strategy is trying not to be for everyone but i did wanna know the secrets to their success we reached out to the trader. Joe's headquarters in monrovia california and we're politely told to get lost as we mentioned earlier. The company is known for secrecy. The two brothers who founded aldy north and south in germany. You know have a record of that michael roberto again that was kind of the family heritage of really being pretty secretive about their business operations and really they weren't even you couldn't even find photos of them on the internet for years you know i mean they were very secretive. It's a strange combination affirm that prides itself on user-friendliness while also keeping its distance which means that a lot of what's known about it comes from from industry analysts and other secondary sources blitz start here in the very beginning. There really was joe behind trader joe's joe colom. He opened the first store in nineteen sixty seven in pasadena california. He went with a south seas theme beechy judge kaz hawaiian shirts calling employees captains and crew members in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine colom sold the chain to one of the secretive albrecht brothers feel feel albrecht was a recluse. Perhaps it was said because he had once been kidnapped and held for ransom for seventeen days in germany albrecht died died in two thousand ten betrayer. Joe's remains notoriously press shy. It's also a privately held company so no earnings calls with investment investment analysts no public proclamations of any sort really about how it does business and so to figure out how it works will rely on a few people who've spent a lot of time thinking about trader joe's including the business school professor michael roberto whom you've already met correct also the columbia business school. Oh professor sheena anger whose research specialty is particularly relevant here. I've been studying choice. Why do we want choice. What are the things that affect how in in what we choose and what are some things we can do to improve our choice making abilities. We'll also talk to a trader joe's superfan. My name is kirk disarming. I i reside in seward. Alaska seward by the way does not have a trader joe's nor does the state of alaska. The closest store from disarming amis house is two thousand and two hundred ninety five miles away by car in bellingham washington to serbia is the guy who heard earlier say this the first thing i do when i know i'm going somewhere is get on internet and find where the closest trader joe's is and we'll hear from a spy in the house of trader joe's a former advertising executive creative named mark gardener who became obsessed with the chain and i just had this thought like you know what if i just went and worked there. You're what would i learn about. This company. Gardner learned about the company. Is it just about everything trader. Joe's does outside of exchanging food for money is unorthodox for modern grocery store. There's a lot to talk about the products of course the economics of their business model. They're very homemade. Do it yourself aesthetic including the hand painted murals that reflect the neighborhood of every store but let's start with one of the first things i noticed when i started shopping there the employees yes they are friendly and helpful and enthusiastic appear to joe is what they want his employees the who have sampled the product who know the product who can say have you tried this wine or cheese but what really caught my eye was the sheer number of employees. There are so many of them. If you go in during slow time you can easily be outnumbered by employees and their t._j.'s t shirts and in hawaiian prints one reason is that rather than stocking shelves overnight like most grocery stores trader. Joe's stocks them during business hours. Why mark gardner learned when he went to work there. The priority is to maximize customer interaction so they would tell us. They're going to be looking for customers ours who seem like they can't find something that they want or just seem curious about something. You're gonna initiate conversations with these people and that we want you to be be friendly. We want you to be shoddy. We want you to be empathetic and more than anything else. We want you to do what it takes to make. Customers feel appreciated and wanted so that explains why there's so many employees in the aisles but they're also a ton of employees staffing the checkout on one level. This makes sense makes the long checkout line move fast and check out after all is where store takes the customers money lesson the number one in sales. Don't make it hard for people to give you their money but trader joe's also has employees directing traffic at the checkout line one telling you which registered to go to one pulling you out of the big q and into the final q. and one or two holding up handmade signs marking taking the middle of the queue and the beginning. That's three or four employees do the job that most stores us zero employees to do or maybe they use some software traderjoes seems to be aggressively low tech no self checkout aisles no online ordering and pick up no customer loyalty programs and apparently trader joe's gathers no significant data on customers at all in the modern business world. This is heresy if you shop but whole foods which is owned by amazon you can be sure the company has an algorithm mc target on your back trader. Joe's meanwhile really didn't doesn't matter if it was a little lady that was looking for one five dollar bottle of wine and if if the wine shipment had just come in the back and i would go and look and look through one hundred different cases and see if i could find a one that she wanted and get her one bottle of wine if i spent fifteen minutes doing that and that that made that customer really happy then the managers were happy and the store was happy so this is a riddle here's a company that doesn't hardest big data yeah and doesn't generally seem to embrace a lot of technology it employs a lot of real live people and he's them above the industry standard heard as of two thousand and thirteen fulltime trader. Joe's crew members made about fifty thousand dollars. A year while captains made more than one hundred thousand also with better than average benefits fits but this is also a company that sells its products at very low prices according to one of those investigations comparing basket of items at a bunch of different in grocery stores. This one was done in two thousand sixteen by the market watch website in the san francisco bay area trader joe's was easily. The cheapest compared to safeway target target and whole foods was thirty two percent cheaper than whole foods so how on earth can trader joe's as michael roberto told us taking the most revenue per square square foot in the industry there at the top by a wide wide margin a two thousand twelve analysis estimated that trader joe's sells just over two thousand dollars dollars of groceries per square foot wholefoods about twelve hundred dollars walmart six hundred dollars. How is this happening. We should probably start with the products trae. Jim sells here. Let me read off some of what they say are the most popular items spatchcock lemon rosemary chicken and carney asada authentic kohlrabi salad blend and cold pressed macho green tea lemonade seesaw and turbans sugar chocolate almonds german's and go to junk comments peanut butter filled pretzels and five seed almond bars from the freezer section chicken tikka masala allah and gluten free cheese pizza with cauliflower crust. These are the sort of foods that laid up instagram accounts and facebook pages that inspire your financial devotion. Even among people who don't have a trader joe's within twenty three hundred miles like kirk serbia who works as a facilities manager for the national park service in alaska. Whenever i leave the state i usually by a couple of hundred dollars worth of goods and i have an extra suitcase suitcase or duffel bag with me in my luggage to serbia and his duffel bag been all over. I've been i know to some in portland in oregon <hes> reno nevada all over southern california. There's a number of them. My wife is from kentucky and so we've been to they have one in louisville now as well as indianapolis <hes> i go to d._c. About once a year for work and ah love to go to the trader joe's and georgetown what is it about trader joe's foods that create such a lust lust. Let's put aside for moment. The question of how good their food is especially since taste is subjective at least to some degree but there are a few things to to say about how trader joe's is at least different from typical grocery store. I there is a sense of globetrotting adventure the masala the carne any asada goto jong almonds. That's why sheena anger thinks of shopping there as variety exercise. Oh let's see what kind of candy bars they have. They usually have cooper's. Let's see what kind of deals they might have on wines cheeses are. They're prepared food sections kind of cool. What might they have. That could add some more variety to the house. The also offer a rather unsubtle blend of healthy or at least healthy seeming and hedonistic. Yes you can buy kohlrabi salad and cauliflower crust pizza but you've also got peanut butter filled pretzels and seesaw and turban auto auto sugar chocolate almonds speaking of which turban nado sugar also known as natural brown sugar still sugar why why add the turban auto. I have a few guesses one to say. You're just adding sugar to your already. Chocolate covered almonds doesn't sound very healthy but trigger nado sugar. <hes> intriguing possibly even sophisticated additionally trader. Joe's seems to understand what everyone in sales understands especially real estate agents adjectives are inexpensive and often useful especially when dan the actual virtues are limited. A charming house is often in fact small house trader joe's reportedly puts a great deal of effort into scouting sourcing and producing food that their customers truly love but they also pay a lot of attention to package design and descriptive salesmanship ship their marketing director is called director of words and phrases and clauses they publish an old fashioned newsprint bulletin the fearless ms flyer with indepth descriptions of new products when you walk into a trader joe's there's a playful vibe as if to say hey. You're just just buying food. Food is delicious so enjoy yourself is also an artsy vibe. A writer leave five more so oddly enough half than in a typical bookstore these details as casual as they might seem would also appear to be strategic in two thousand eleven interview with the l. a. times joe colom said that when he started trader joe's in the nineteen sixties he was inspired by an article he read in scientific american about a huge spike in americans attending college. I felt this newly educated. Class of people would want something different. You were called and that was the genesis of traderjoes later joe's why did he choose pasadena as the first store location because he said pasadena is the epitome of a well educated town trader trader. Joe's is for over educated and underpaid people for all the classical musicians museum curator's and <hes> journalists he said head this suggests from the very beginning trader joe's understood cream skimming targeting a certain kind of customer and leading the rest slide by as for the underpaid part of columbus equation that would appear to be outdated and analysis by time magazine found that as of two thousand fifteen trader trader joe's stores were located in counties with higher household median income than any other grocery chain including whole foods and about ten thousand dollars was higher than u._s. Median income but in this seems to be another key component of trader joe's success they also value for galaxy is michael roberto found they usually usually set up shop in the cheaper parts of the expensive areas frankly in many cases there in sort of old strip malls so they've save money on the real estate the real estate firms zillow hello found that homes near trader joe's stores appreciate more quickly than homes in the city as a whole concluding that either trader joe's is really good at picking taking areas that are on the rise or that. They are in part causing the rise. So how about a new store in seward alaska that is correct term is dream so i started a facebook page called. Bring trader joe's to alaska. This was in two thousand twelve. I thought man these guys. Maybe they just don't know what they're missing yet. <hes> if i can create this facebook page and i can get people around the state to start liking it and sending trader joe's an email to say hey. We would really love to see your store here than maybe trader. Joe's will actually listen to us so after one of his out of town trader joe's shopping binges when i come home with a suitcase full i like to throw it on the kitchen table and take a picture of it and put <music> out there hopefully to motivate people to send that email to trader joe's and let them know where we're out here. His facebook page got some traction about twelve hundred likes. I would say most of my friends in seward are aware that this is something that i'd like to see happen unless you think to serbia me is one of those guys who makes a facebook page for everything. No some of my friends might say i'm fairly politically active but honestly. I can't think of any other store that i might think to start a page to bring up here. Seward alaska does have a relatively high median household income but population and is a problem fewer than three thousand people discern me a concedes that anchorage a few hours away would be more sensible site for the first trader joe's in alaska and he'd happily make the drive. He just really wants a trader. Joe's every time i go to a trader joe's in the lower forty-eight. They always look sideways at me when i when i'm getting two to three hundred dollars worth of goods but i tell them because we live in alaska and we can't get you guys come up here and since i started this page in two thousand twelve and they've never responded to single email. It seems a little unlikely but hopefully they're going to listen to this interview and then my percentage will go up coming up after the break. We'll get into the economic details of trader. Joe's success success will hear how they flip the script on customer relations just imagine if you would one if you changed the rules. 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Transfer wise even has a multi-currency account that lets you hold over forty currencies and convert them when you like test them out for free transfer wise dot com slash freakonomics comics or download the app today of all the mysteries concerning concerning the success of trader. Joe's here's what strikes me as the most interesting one. Their stores as we've learned are generally quite small roughly a third the size of typical supermarket michael roberto again. We're all acclimated to every other supermarket looks the same and has thirty five thousand items. It has seven million and variety of toothpaste in a tomato sauce. Every other player has all those things betray joe's they only have say three thousand stock keeping units and the typical trader joe's or four thousand most in one of their larger stores moreover as we've learned trader. Joe's prices are relatively low and yet they also take in much higher revenues and stores that have more variety and more expensive items so how remember trader joe's doesn't sell a lot lot brand name groceries roughly eighty percent of their products are private label items also known as store brands with that means trader joe's has mitigated the power that supplier supplier might have over them so while they're not nearly as big as krogers and they can get great purchasing power because they're condensing all they're buying tomato sauce to one vendor for a very limited number of items and when you're selling something that you also manufacture or at least source directly you obviously stand to make more money than if you're buying from a middleman that said even store branded products need tastes good judging from the chain's success. They do in fact some trader. Joe's branded items may taste identical to brand name foods. Why because it appears they are identical tentacle an investigation by the food website eater using freedom of information act requests found that many trader joe's items are in fact manufactured factored by the same companies that make the brand name versions of products that you can buy many other grocery stores usually for significantly more money for instance. Those trader joe's shows pita chips with sea salt. They appear to be exactly the same as stacy's simply naked pita chips trader joe's gluten free chocolate chip cookies according to the investigation are quote nearly identical in taste packaging and ingredients to tate's bake shop cookies. There's nothing wrong with this since hardly unusual for brand name manufacturers to run side business selling to private labels but most places that sell a lot of house brands are seen as downmarket discounters not upmarket superstars like trader joe's so why are they different. Some of the credit must go to the clever packaging and the artful product descriptions but to get to the real secret of trader. Joe's i think might be the single biggest reason for its success. Yes you have to go back to sheena anger. I have been at the columbia business school. Since nineteen ninety eight and i started to study choice way back in nineteen ninety angers h._d. Is in social psychology as an undergrad add. She double majored in psychology and economics. She was born in toronto to parents who demonstrated from india her background. She believes gave her a different perspective on decision-making when she started working in the field and i got very interested in the kinds of questions that we wouldn't ordinarily asked like well into all cultures see choice in the same way we had assumed that it was an eight we had assumed that everybody thought the same way that we somehow universal an i am i i think because i was an asian american. I didn't see it as that obvious. She wanted to explore this question with kids from different backgrounds her theory. It was an asian american kids. White american kids might think differently about choice before comparing the two groups. She wanted to establish a baseline to confirm terme that for the white kids choice indeed had a positive effect. This baseline experiment turned out to be pretty interesting on its own. Here's here's how it worked. She brought a bunch of three year olds. One by one into a room full of toys half of them were allowed to choose any toy and they could switch as they pleased the other half would be given just one toy with no option to switch. I started by looking at white american kids because i had to. I bausch showed that i'm capable of actually replicating what prior scientists would say what prior scientists would say and had been saying for decades is that choice is motivating that having choice or even the illusion of choice is associated with increased satisfaction and feeling more control over your life therefore the kids who could choose their toy should be happier for having the options and more likely to play longer. These ideas about choice were prominent not just in psychology edgy. They were baked into the foundation of economic thinking at the time that more choice is almost always better than less choice but when anger started her study study and brought in the kids who could choose from an entire room full of toys the white kids would come in and they would look at all these toys and stare outside the window and then when i would just give them legos. There were really happy and they're playing and i was like wait. This goes totally against what i'm supposed to find. There's something wrong here so anger went back and examined some of those earlier studies about choice and decision making she realized that when those researchers described giving people lots of choice in reality that meant something like two to six options not a roomful like she had tried so anger iran different study this time limiting the number of choices and now she confirmed what her predecessors had found but she kept thinking about what happened in that first study study with the room full of toys. Were they staring out the window. I don't get it. I gave them really really cool toys. I gave them all the most modern toys at the same time. I was going to this upscale grocery store. The store is called draggers market. It's a northern california institution. Anger was at stanford at the time so they had like two hundred fifty different kinds of mustard in vinegars and mayonnaise and five hundred different kinds of fruits and vegetables instable than one hundred different kinds of olive oil and oh my god it was amazing and i would go to all these little tasting sessions and try out like ten different kinds of vinegars and i also thought to myself well how come you never by any of those things you taste and then went to the store manager and i asked asked him whether his model of offering people all this choice was working now he said he did and he pointed to the traffic and this story did have a lot of traffic but it was still an empirical question. Was it helping or was it not so anger designed an experiment at dreyer's to answer the question she said up tasting booth for jams and she alternated the choice set. Sometimes the booth would feature six different jams and sometimes twenty four and we looked at two. Thanks thanks. I we looked at in which case did more people stopped the sample some jam and we found that more people stopped when they were twenty four on display sixty percent stop when they were twenty four on display versus when there were six on display only forty percent of the people stopped and then when people stopped we gave everybody nobody a coupon giving them one dollar off if they bought a jar of jam and in the back of the coupon was code that told us if they saw six versus twenty four now what what we found was that of the people who stopped when there were twenty four display. Only three percent of those coupons were redeemed whereas of the people who stopped when there were six on display thirty percent of the coupons were redeemed an interesting allergic choice set generates more interest. The smaller choice set generates more action. Sheena angers jam study very simple but very powerful go on to become one of the most famous studies in decision science because it illustrates what a lot us feel when we enter for instance gigantic supermarket with the fining illustrated we said we want more choice presumably because of all the opportunities it provides us but when it comes down to making a choice we don't want that choice to be too hard or too conflict ridden or too burdensome i- anger occur followed up her jam study with a look at employee participation in retirement savings plans and essentially what we found was that the plans that offered offered their employees more options you saw real decrease in participation rates so if you had a plan that offered people less than five options <hes> the likelihood to participate was roughly around seventy five percent and by the time you've got to plans that offered people around sixty options now l. participation rates had dropped below sixty percent. This phenomenon has come to be called the paradox of choice but i- anger doesn't think that's quite right. It's not that more choices always worse than that. Less is always better. She argues that choice is both limiting and a powerful tool. Every context is different. You can imagine that a huge choice set is particularly welcome in the digital realm where you can search for exactly what you want with a few key strokes assuming that is you know what you want but in the analog world in the world of grocery store for instance the size of a choice choice set matters not just because of the cost of real estate and transportation storage and labor stock the shelves but because of how we people people make decisions envision a shelf in a typical supermarket seven million varieties of toothpaste tomato sauce and a trader joe's shelf. It doesn't overwhelm me. It usually gives me just a few choices per domain and having just a few choices per domain is more likely to lead lead to action imagine yourself standing in an aisle and trader joe's you come across their five seed almond bars and your lizard brain in says well. There are no foresee domine bars or six seed in bars. I don't even know why i need seeds almond bars but sure i think i'll get some of those. Traderjoes understands less is more. It understands to use a word of the moment curation. They don't overwhelm wellm you with choice. Which is why you're more willing to examine each novel choice. There is a story probably probably not true about michelangelo. Someone supposedly asked him how difficult it had been to sculpt his famous david and he said it's easy just chip away the stone. That doesn't look like david. I am not saying trader. Joe's is quite michelangelo's level but you get the idea. There is great value. Oh you clearing away. The clutter which is one reason sheena. Anger personally loves shopping at trader. Joe's it doesn't give me the boring stuff offering keeps me excited because i wanna see what do they have. And what do they have. That might get me thinking about something. I don't ordinarily think about so they also maintain the mystery a street of novelty for me. Novelty is also a powerful tool in sales and this to trader joe's understands it is famous for constantly gently introducing new products experimenting with them really which means old products have to go. Maybe they'll come back. Maybe they won't this strategy would would appear to be risky normally a typical grocery store. If the item that you typically bought isn't there you're really pissed right. You're mad michael roberto again it trader. Joe's customers have come. I'm do understand that that's part of the trade off. You might see your peach mango salsa disappear but there'll be something new to try that you can offer at your next cocktail party freddie and while people with anger notes this strategy also gives every trip to trader joe's a sense of a treasure hunt but that our appetite for novelty is domain specific. I deliberately go into that venue that venue being trader joe's because i wanna learn about some choices. I'm trying to update my brain on choices but when i go into my coffee shop in the morning i do not engage gauge in any act of updating. I don't wanna know i walk into my coffee shop every morning. I don't even say anything they just bring. Bring me out exactly what they bring me every other day and it's made exactly the same and i have no interest in engaging in any kind of variety seeking seeking discover trader joe's totally by accident. That's mark gardner again. The former advertising executive who ended up working at traderjoes. He was living in california at the time. I thought it was a local store but had a kind of a surf theme and i didn't know any better because they don't do any advertising i was exposed to it happened to be in my neighborhood. Then gardner moved moved to kansas city. Yes and that's when i really learned about trader joe's as a company because there was no trader joe's but there were these rumors rumors of but we're gonna get a trader joe's and there was so much excitement. There's a facebook page called. Bring trader joe's to kansas city that has five thousand thousand friends as a former advertising. Guy gardner was impressed. I think the number one thing that struck me about trader. Joe's it is that they almost don't advertise at all. They don't market they. They have a pretty good website now but but for years ears at a rudimentary website had almost no social media presence they had almost no kind of public relations so they didn't do you a whole bunch of things that i had spent my entire working life thinking well. These are the things that you do when you build a brand so oh that was really striking to me and i had this thought like you know what if i went and worked there. What would i learn learn about. This company. Garner learned enough about the company by working there that he wrote a book about it called build a brand lake trader. Joe's how did trader joe's respond well as you know. They're very very secretive company so they responded <hes> exactly the way i expected which was with utter silence. What initially impressed gardner was how trader joe's had grown so much without spending all the money that most firms spend on marketing advertising and so on but what impressed him once he got inside working as a crew member for twelve dollars. An hour was the company's culture well before the new kansas city. The store had opened on the first or second day of training a trader. Joe's executive came in to meet with roughly fifty new hires including gardner the proceedings things began with that standard horrifying requests to say your name and tell a story about yourself and i am not kidding you. Fifty hands went up. It was all these people are picked me. I wanted to be the first. I wanna start. I wanna tell you my story and i looked around at that that group of hands going a- and mine was up to you know because i'm not because i love talking about myself but but most people don't at least not to group of strangers and i thought wow how this is not an ordinary group of people and what i realized pretty quickly is oh my god. This is what they hire for the higher for this kind of extroverted naturally chatty person as the training progressed. These sky's really weren't too worried about teaching me how to operate a grocery store right. I mean there were some discussion about you know keeping the colt things cold and how important that is and there was a little bit of discussion about this is how a cash register works about you know when you're bagging groceries. This is how you do it. There was some discussion of process but actually there was a lot of discussion of trader. Joe's values values. There was a tremendous amount of discussion. About how are you going to be with the customers and then once the store opened. No matter how crazy the store was no matter how much pressure there was to do something else if you were doing something for a customer that trumped everything everything seeing how trader joe's encouraged its employees to interact with customers to partner up with them didn't just make sense to gardner it. It inspired him to wonder why this theoretically obvious approach is in fact quite rare consider. He says a standard a trip to the department of motor vehicles but what happens when you go to the d._m._v. Well what happens is you stand on one side of a counter then there's your opponent on the other side side of the counter and it's as if you're in sort of a game or a sport where you're trying to get your license plate or driver's license since they're going to say oh yeah you don't have a an up-to-date inspection certificate for your cars so get out of here right. It's like a volleyball game practically and it's and it's you against them now. What if you change the rules and what have you said you guys are both on the same side your goal is to get them that that driver's license or that license plate that they need and so instead of just saying like you don't have the right inspection. What if you told them look look. This is what's wrong with the certificate that you've got. It's either out of date or it's from the wrong state or whatever and this is where you would go to get the inspection that you need right and let me look at all your other things. I've got here and if there's anything else you need. I'll tell you what you need so that the next time you come. It's going to be a slam dunk for you. What if that was. What if it wasn't adversarial. What if you guys were both on the same side <music>. What if you guys were both on the same side good question. Don't you think look i'm not saying mark. Gardener's example is necessarily fair to the d._m._v. nor am i saying that trader joe's should win the nobel peace prize but it does strike me that a lot of interactions in the modern world are set up to be more competitive than they need me and the benefits of collaboration are are often undervalued. I think back to an interview we did with microsoft ceo saatchi adela who's been reversing microsoft's longstanding policy of treating tech rivals like google and apple as pure rivals and instead sometimes partnering with them. Nothing can be taken for granted that there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine what you have to do is be good at being able to refresh yourself at the crucial times yeah so if you had the choice. Would you have trader. Joes run the department of motor vehicles and maybe even hello. I'm not serious here except maybe i am. Would you have them run. America released. Would you try to export some of their collaborative. Live frugal. Don't take yourself so seriously methodologies michael roberto the business school professor who's analyzed trader joe's warns. It's not so easy that it wouldn't even be easy for another grocery store to replicate. The trader joe's experience to do what they do. You can't just hire by the same people they hire. You have to emulate the private label strategy the real estate strategy the pricing the quirky culture and it's often the soft oft things not just the kind of people you hire but the way you train them and the culture you create then we can build a store that looks like a trader joe's but when we have people walk in can they have the same experience well that's very hard to replicate fair enough and again i don't mean to heap undue praise on grocery chain just because they found a way to make they're appealing food cheap and treat people pretty well along the way i will say this. We spend a lot of time on this show and in modern in society at large pointing out problems and failures sundry idiocies. It's nice once in a while to come across across an institution. Even if it's just a grocery store the seems to work well for several constituencies on several dimensions and and to see what can be learned from him. 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Sir story about a cable company that is being sued by the recording industry association. Wow it's hard to imagine imagine a conflict where i would side with the cable company according association of america but it is a bunch of music <hes> <hes> the musical cartels basically so meyer yeah exactly <hes>. I don't know about that specific. There's not that many right. I don't want to go into is that part of the story. I don't think that's not particularly interesting but there's you know there's a lot of back and forth in between <hes> the copyright industry will just bite that way and inside regardless of whether we're talking to entertainment or books or whatever so these are this is a <hes> looking at our website having not heard of them previously <hes> it looks like they're they're just major markets <hes> boston chicago dc lehigh valley new york and philly so apparently. I didn't know this and i don't think it actually says it in this particular story but apparently it's a brand and then different. I._s._p.'s licensed that brand name so yeah. That's what i read. You know. I don't know anything other than that's is what i read recently so it just looks like a cable company from their website but go ahead right right right and this story specifically does not say that they simply say are r._c._n. I._s._p. or something to that effect but apparently i guess it's actually multiple companies but anyway defendants operated r._c._n. Is a haven for infringement. Defendants promoted r._c._n.'s high speed internet. This is an excerpt from the lawsuit yet. Okay defendants promoted. R._c._n.'s high internet speeds high-speed nutrient. They're saying hi internet speeds needs to customers knowing that the ability to download copyrighted material illegally using high speed internet without repercussions russian was a substantial draw for infringers. Wow emoji nat imagine somebody writing a high coup ooh and then saying well you can't know anything because if you know things you might know the content of my poem and therefore oh you're forbidden from knowing anything. This is so crazy i mean high speed internet has existed as long as i've been in an adult. I remember existing nineteen nineties where i grew up now bringing this argument right and now of all times it's like you realize is the high-speed that you're getting from cable. Your cable company is also needed to stream that same content legally right yeah. If you want to watch on netflix you need to have a high speed internet right their their argument is just so like what are they thinking like anybody with. Half a brain is going to recognize that this is just this is the most ridiculous argument well. Maybe they bought themselves a nice politician and they can. Maybe the fixes in for being the crazy crazy about this also by judge is that it's it's not like they're the only company that's providing high speed internet access right like you're an all the other companies providing high speed internet have basically the same ah types of policies in regards to the morning copyright act in terms of taking content down and it's never been interpreted as you you have to disconnect users of your internet service unless it's in relation to hosting content because the digital millennium copyright act is explicitly a affectively it says something you have to take the content down if a notice is received and then the other party can post a counter notice to you but the problem is the i._s._p. Never never hosting any of that material. That's interesting sir. It's right. It's the user that is hosting the content in the case of an i._s._p. But the the the internet service providers will do the bidding of the recording industry and a lot of cases where if let's say you're downloading torrent or you're downloading. If you've got a torrent going that means you you might be pulling down some files that may not be might not be legal as far as it could be a movie that the you know the recording industry has licenses is or whatever copyrights on this is one of the common things that people do with torrance and torrance aren't a private method of downloading anybody unless you're behind a v._p._n. You can clearly see a list of all of the i._p. Addresses that are downloading a particular torn and so there are certain torrance out there that are actually monitored where if you go uh-huh and download the latest episode of. I don't know what's a hot t._v. Show right now westworld or something like that. You can download the latest episode of rick and morty and the copyright owner whoever that is <hes> cartoon network or whoever they're actually watching and every time a new i._p. Address pops into that torrent they log that they find out which internet service provider has that i._p. Address in their their range and if they're within the united states they they then send a notice to that internet service provider internet service provider then turns around and sends a notice to the customer associated with that i._p. Address saying well well. We just found out that somebody at your your account. You know they don't know who it was. It could have been your son. It could have been your grandmother because they don't want somebody <hes> sitting outside your house and a car on your life. They're not the ones in control of the server right. They cannot take it down but they send a notice to you and they say you. You must stop this offend offending behaviour immediately or else we may you know we reserve the right to play. This is something that i think is being done voluntarily of you. You know volunteer putin quotes but voluntarily by the i._s._p.'s because there's nothing in the d._m._c._a. That's every hires. Word notices not required. Not all i._s._p.'s do that well. That's what i wonder case time warner. Also there's that's i mean they operate cable modems but they also produce a lot of content ten. I mean there's a conflict of interest. Well not necessarily a conflict but they're definitely multiple in between them and their customers. I think there's a conflict of interest not between their different services well. Let's clarify something time. Warner doesn't offer internet service provider anymore. They <hes> they they sold that division that exists under spectrum communications now so tyler deal just rename it. No spectrum is a division of charter which is also so a cable system but i don't. I don't know if charter owns any <hes> charters telling charge also a cable company so there are capable right right right right right right right so they provide services traditional television. There's not producing any of the movies that are being downloaded channels the right time. There's i think there's more of an issue in some countries with certain cable interrupters than they are in the u._s. as far as content production and providing internet access yeah i don't know but my point was with this r._c._n. Maybe the recording industry is mad at them because they know i'm just speculating here. You know you haven't read the whole however many page lawsuit suit this is. You're just reading an excerpt straining expert from the way they you know what i got from. What the little bit that you've read so far is they're mad at our c. the n. they're suggesting that our c. n. doesn't help them with enforcement of this. If you read that paragraph again that you started with its sort of suggests that their marketing their high speed services knowing basically they won't do anything about any violations that happened over the high-speed service. I didn't get there. I just saw uh-huh and knowing that it would be used to download things which of course everybody who sells somebody down with download bandwidth. It said that but there was there's also there is some truth to that in regards to what you're saying. You read the whole thing from beginning to operate r._c._n. As a haven for infringement defendants promoted r._c._n.'s high internet speeds again high internet speeds to customers knowing that the ability to download copyrighted the material illegally using high speed internet without repercussions for infringers percussions is is interesting although it certainly the i._s._p. And less they're doing something to shield. These people's identities can't prevent these people both from suffering repercussions. They'll be sued. There's no obligation for the i._s._p. To do anything you can't sue the you can't sue the end user because you can identify them. You kinda you could suit the account holder can get you can get a subpoena to reveal the owner of the internet connection. That's not necessarily the violator right like it's not it's not people didn't know that either. That's true <hes> so there's more on the way we can talk more about this lawsuit and you can share your thoughts with us on free talk live. 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Was given more than five million million notices that its users. Were downloading illegally and did nothing to stop it. That's what the complaints the the basic summary of this has nothing to disconnect users right this argument and and maybe they didn't even threaten them either but we can. We can deepen the story here in just a few moments. I also want to make sure you know about edge wallet wallet. It is my favorite wallet and i think allow the folks here in in the key in areas that are active in the crypto world or using edge. Certainly the one that a business owners are using to receive crypto currencies as well here. It's because edge is a great wallet and they've got support for dozens of various different crypto currencies including in bitcoin b._t._c. <hes> they've got a theory theory of tokens minero ripple dash stellar bitcoin cash raven coin. Now and others go to edge dot what app to learn more. That's their website secure. Your freedom buy sell trade and securely hold your favorite crypto currencies and they've got it for i._o._s. And android phones and dan platform so head over to edge after just download edge wallet in your favorite google or apple play store. It's ian nobody and chris in the studio tonight. We're we're actually going to go to your phone calls and thoughts. You're going to discord where gentleman is on the line. Isaac is calling himself. Ask yourself in our discord this court server isaac. I was actually told you'd be calling in by a longtime listener of ours <hes> west. He says that that you're a vegan and you wanted to talk about. Put that sort of thing so go ahead. Oh yes the kind of funny circumstance. I guess so <hes> west is like a mutual viewer whatever he is a patron of mine and he asked me to <hes> call in and speak to you guys about animal rights so i can't say i'm super familiar with your shoulder your perspectives but yeah i guess i can. I can just go ahead so presumably. None of you are vegan right. I don't think so no. I'm on the atkins diet. I'm pretty much exclusively carnivorous okay all right well. Let me ask you a question then so presumably if we were to fill the slaughterhouses with humans instead of animals you would all say that's morally wrong not do that. Well does does are you. Are you telling which particularly humans because you know. There's some i'm like politicians that i might if i might not be against. I wouldn't have any any pro. I mean i wouldn't eat a politician. That would be discussing of of course. They say you are what you eat part of. It's okay. I mean especially if it's shed a tear certainly certainly it's in self defense here right so so i think it's <hes> if there was a line of politicians that were being forced into a slaughterhouse <hes>. I wouldn't feel bad about new now. I still don't think it's at the goal goal to holocaust politicians but we can disagree on that. Let's say the thing. Is there holocaust thing but yeah. Let's move onto into the animal yeah. Let's let's say that air filled the slaughterhouses are fill with innocent people if you don't think visions are innocent then they're filled with people aren't all titians kids. I don't think anybody would support that. Okay all right great but then on the other hand apparently with animals animals in the slaughterhouse. It is okay to support that yeah. It's okay because animals don't have the same rights as as human beings and i'm. I'm sure you're going to disagree about that. <hes> but one of the reasons why human rights <hes> is a good idea is because it's one that we can communicate about and we can agree on them and we can say yes we agree with whatever rights it is that we're talking about now. Not everybody agrees on what rights are and what things should be considered writes but when you have people people who agree on rights it generally makes life a better and more enjoyable and more productive time whereas with animals they unfortunately at least at this point they don't have away most of them with the exception of maybe dolphins and chimpanzees or whatever they don't in have particularly either of which i would probably be comfortable eating right and they don't have a most animals don't have an effective way of communicating and so therefore there's no way that we can come into an agreement with them about right so generally. The idea that you know i'm behind here is that the animal cannot respect your rights. It doesn't know about them okay. So is it okay to eat like a. I don't know a one year old or six-month-old because they can't <hes> i would say it's not okay because you know no. That's a human being yeah. I mean generally the thing with humans as we have the social agreement that if you don't violate my rights i won't violate yours right. Which is you know how we manage to live together. In in large numbers <hes> i've never successfully negotiated such con contract with say a lion or any animal or or or or anything else and any animals as you might have are probably right well. I mean if they keep violating my rights. I'm gonna either put them out or read them now. If i were to ask the question what exactly is it that's true of animals that if true of humans would justify murdering them presumably the response to that is the ability to participate in social contract. Well specifically the ability ability to convince me that they're not going to violate my rights okay so if we have a human who can't convince you that they're not going to violate your rights. It's fine to murder them well. That's what self defense is in the case of self defense. They've actually they've actually <hes> made it clear that they're not going to violate my right which is exactly what they are. We're gonna violate or i'm sorry when in a in a self defense case somebody's made it clear to me that they that they're not going to respect my rights. It's and it's at that point that i have the right to <hes> to use deadly force against them okay now. I'm not sure this is a diss analogy so so i guess the next question would be. Do you think that a cow is planning to infringe on your rights. <hes> well. A thing is is looking at it from the other side. I had this argument with an ethics professor at the u. of m. one time and denny's and and i was asking him about about the fact that that animals a lot of animals live by eating other animals so what what i was asking him basically as well if i run into a lion that eats meat is it okay for me to to execute that lyon for murder and and the line right and well presumably and he said well lion isn't immoral agent and i said well. Maybe that's a good thing that makes me comfortable eating a lion but not comfortable eating a man is a man is immoral agent. He's got that additional channel <hes> the the ability to abstract to leave reason about morality and to be concerned -cerned about morale isaac standby. If you've got time we can continue the discussion here. He's on our discord server there. You can join us on dischord as well over a discord. Don l. lauren dot f._m. <hes> and you can also join us on the phones as well at eight fifty. Five four fifty free like freedom. 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From seven to ten eastern live on the liberty radio network at l. r. n. dot f._m. To the latest episode soda free talk live presented by cycles c._a. I downloaded for free at freetalklive dot com. This is free. Talk live and you can bring up whatever you want here. Our toll free number's eight fifty. I five four hundred fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three with you in the studio. It's ian here nobody chris and of course we'll take your calls calls and thoughts about whatever you want. We've got a gentleman on the line who wants to talk about or is talking about animal rights or the purported concept upped the animal rights. I don't know how many of those of us in the studio actually believe that animals have rights. I'm guessing none of us do but i'm an order. Put words in your mouth. I i don't believe the that they necessarily have riots. It's but i won't say that there's no set of circumstances under which i wouldn't do violence on behalf avenue in the animal giving to protect the animal exactly now of course if it's my animal that can be justified bye bye defensive property but you know if somebody were for example just torturing a dog <hes> randomly for no for no apparent right on their front lawn. Now i want to say this is a place where i might be <hes> uh where i might actually violate my own moral code and say well. I shouldn't punch you in the face but i'm going to do it anyway. Maybe i'll pay you damages some day talking about something that is not you know inappropriate and that is the idea that society has certain expectations and individuals and human beings have certain expectations of behavior and what it is that we're willing to tolerate and what we're not and we're not. I don't think most people would be willing to tolerate somebody you know rubbing <music> beating their animal in their front yard. Even if it's they're supposed animal in the same way that the absence of animal rights that would be completely it would it would be immoral. It would be like you know what would be immoral to refused to tolerate somebody abusing an animal in their front moral to refuse to tolerate that agree well well. The animal had some kind of rights because generally you can use violence and to me if if you're not tolerating somebody then basically you're violently opposed to them being where they are so so. They're they're. They're at risk tolerances. Just leaving people alone. Acceptance is another matter <hes> lee bring isaac back in. Let's get look back on the line and ontario. Go ahead okay well. There's a few things so i leave the no rates position is kind of like particularly crazy position because on that view. There's no problem with doing absolutely anything so there's there's only one thing there's a difference between morals and right's right rights are legally prescribed legally prescribed no rights as being a legal not anything. Let's let's let's start talking about legal rights. I'm talking about you. Respecting some kind of notion of a right for that animal not talking about your rights aren't aren't legal writing immoral moral rights rights are going to be different from one person connects added a few verses just the no reds position is the position where there there's apparently no problem with just stabbing dog in the eyes so what i would assume you state a minimal rights position where they have rights allow that to happen but that yeah well that's not. That's not what i'm saying. You don't need to assume because point. Well hold on you. Don't need to assume because we're right here. Okay we can we can. We've got plenty of time to it so <hes> <hes> yeah well hold on. You don't need to assume anything about what we're believing here because we can actually talk about it right. Yeah we can clarify anything was just if you have an animal animal and you have a human holocaust one is okay. Holocaust together is wrong what i know see that's. They're giving us a false choice okay so i'm just gonna put you on. Hold for just a moment here so we we can talk about this so just because you don't believe that an animal has rights in the same way that humans have rights doesn't mean that you can't can't respect that animal and treat it well and that you can't ostracize people who treat their animals poorly. You're right there. Go ahead well. That's is true but bill clinton you originally point so you guys are just you have a tendency to just go off on crazy candidates well now. We're talking about what you what so you mentioned and get bread. So the first thing i asked was just we have an animal. We have a human. It's wrong hall one. It's okay to holocaust the other. I asked what accounts for that. It's not a holocaust. One you mean by holocaust sounded like you were saying social contract now. I wouldn't say that so again. You're jumping to conclusions. What do you mean when you say holocaust ones et et so <hes> now i asked. Is it social contract now. You said it's not necessarily the social contract. It's something to do with the ability to convince me that they're not going to infringe on my my rights now. There's a problem that could be pointed out without where there's humans who can't convince you. They're not going to infringe on your rights. You're just convinced by other humans or by the general circumstance now now the question i asked as a follow up to that didn't really hear good reply to write is are you for some reason convinced. The cows going to infringe on your rights because i think it's less likely a cowherd infringe infringe on your rights than any other human so it seems like that's that position is just going to grant. Animals reds like repeat it again. So i think one thing to say is that you're you're referring to comments that. Nobody made not any other. One of our hosts ratio right so early two is where you said. It's about their ability to convince you that they're not going to infringe on your rights. I think that's almost for yeah that that was that was and where i was going with that is not so much fear cows therefore i e cows house was a cow is not a moral agent okay but now if you're going to change over something about moral orel agency than can we acknowledged that the first answer to the question you're now backing off of. It's not the case that the answer to the question <hes>. Why is it okay to holocaust one but not the other or is about their ability to convince you. You're not going to infringe on your rights. You're just dropping that answer. That's not your answer anymore. Now you wanna give a new answer about moral agent. <hes> yes that was if that was your your interpretation of what i said the the tour intrinsically connected in in my mind but but yeah go ahead and go ahead and and i will i will not i will not die on that hill. Okay that's fine. Well look i mean. I don't think it's a straw man of your position like the other thing told i've been told once or twice that i'm jumping to conclusions when i'm just recapping the history of the conversation conversation recapping your recapping it from your understanding and maybe we've not done a good job of explaining our side of things. We're having. I'm i'm saying yeah yeah certainly right and so we're trying to correct when you bring up your you know your misunderstanding of what we've been saying. We're trying to correct that. You just want to keep going back to your misunderstanding understanding of it. It was just one point the idea that whole hold that thought there is we can. We can come back to you here but it was. It was just one point that animals don't have rights because they can't respect your rights just a general statement that doesn't mean that cows are a threat at all why to me. That's the same as saying lagman and then i heard her hold on just asked a question and then you don't give us time to answer. That's right you said why holocaust one and not the other. Can you describe what you mean by holocaust point-by-point so first of all. I've asked you a question. You've asked us a bunch of questions questions. I'm asking you a question back on the answer to my question and i'm trying to get. I won't stop talking in order for us to ask you a question. Actually listen properly okay so just there's. Let's be systematic well in order to listen properly. I know thing or two about listening. You have to be able to restate back what the person said accurately. I've been trying to tell you every returned back up. He's still talking. I've been trying to tell you that you have not understood what it is that we've been seeing. What is it about the animals right. We have animals. We have humans. It's okay to holocaust one. You keep saying that and i've asked you now two or three times when you say holocaust. What do you mean something along blinds the social contract you keep talking. I can't even get how many times have i asked him if he's even aware that we've been talk or that he's been turned all down. Yeah i just keep turning him down because it would just be constant. Cross talk you. Thanks for the call tonight. Toll free number here is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five. I four five zero three seven three three. If you can't stop for just a moment and listen you know yeah. It's great for you to ask us questions but we get to ask you questions back. 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That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three we we have the discord call in line rooms over at discord dot l. r. n. dot f._m. And the gentleman who was on the line is still in our discord chat room claiming that if we only would've let him communicate <hes> well look we had john for two segments of the show dude the typical. Will you know guests on the show. Typical caller doesn't get two segments to the program. Obviously we wanted to have the conversation about animal writes. That's why we held onto you but a conversation requires two sides listening or at least attempting to listen to one another another and you know you've got to ask some questions initially and then we wanted to ask questions to clarify like one of the questions you didn't even get to nobody he was to ask our caller what he thought rights where i would have been interesting yeah because until you have a definition <hes> of rights it's and you know an idea of what their sources has then. It's kind of difficult to to have conversation on on on the topic and you know there's there's at least two to ideas of the of the sources first of human rights one one school of thought would say that our rights are derived from god where all created with gun. He endows us with rights. Other people would say that that there are natural rights that these things exist in the rates exist in in nature. I think <hes> melanie would be <hes> of that school. <hes> and are almost axiomatic <hes> and i on the other hand would say that that rights are more a social convention <hes> i would then then anything else because the thing is the now is the nonaggression princeton yeah the non aggression principle. I think it's a great principle sensible to live by <hes> but it's not inscribed on a mountain anywhere which means that for one thing we can't look backup in the at the mountain and look carefully at the wording of it. We're unsure about what it does that have to do in order to get people. <hes> you know the seventy five percent of the population to agree with us. We have to radio outside of the thing is in writing on the side of the mountain. It becomes legislation relations so it's almost self self fitting. If you wanna be a purist but only legislation to the extent that people actually buy i mean from from a principled libertarian perspective well well. The drug were certainly <hes> certainly legislation and people don't abide by that they break those laws other time that's true but there's also violence than results. I don't necessarily the writing it on. The side of a mountain would result in violence <hes> well. I mean somebody might get mad about the mountain. I wouldn't be surprised if he had yeah yeah maybe but but the point is that <hes> you know to me the nap is is a social convention invention and so and so and i think it's a good one. It's one that i strive to spread acceptance. It's for it's the only acceptable <hes> one to me that i that i've found but then the question becomes less this what does it say then. How should this thing be defined. Okay so it becomes not aww factual question but a normative question you know one of the problems i have with you know everybody like adding essentially to rights more what rights either animals have or creating special groups of people that to protect is that ultimately doesn't today it justifies violence. I know it sounds absolutely insane but really what what's going to happen happen. If you've animals rights is that you're going to then start using violence against people who don't agree with you so the question is at what level i might not agree that eating or you're willing into her. I might not agree that. Eating animals is a good thing. I think that's you know that's a bad thing but that doesn't necessarily mean that i would support you know eight right or animal rights in the sense that you know we should outlaw eating animals a because it's worse to kill it. I still feel like it's worse to kill a human than it is to kill hill an animal right so i agree with you on you know what what the depends on which human like the politicians no big deal. We'll out a little exception for them so the toll free number here eight thirty five four fifty three. Let's bring burn on the line. Of course you can bring up whatever you want vernon. You're on free talk. Live go ahead talk about nine. Eleven just kidding all right so i heard a story i actually on the radio station the day <hes> <hes> this lady had had this license plate it says p before we go and if in their hamster license plate yeah for fifteen years and in the state of new hampshire senator a letter saying this is not a bit it includes sexual ethics the tory actor for function and so she had to either surrender the play or or choose a new one but i believe what happened is that the governor actually intervened and and that she didn't have to do that so i just thought that was very interesting i they made national news it did it was it was all over the news this week. What was the play recall what it was something like before you go yeah yeah. You'd say to your kids before you go on interest silently. It certainly involving bodily fluids but i'm not quite sure that that's generally considered a sexual reference. Law is is is. Why can't we talk about that. It's something all humans do that's. Why are we ashamed of. Why are we afraid about it. Is it a sign that we've kind of failed to come to grips with the fact that we are animals but one of the one of the takeaways i had from this story was the interventionist way of the government of the state of new hampshire that is touted. It's so greatly on this radio show and i wo- what what would you say. I leon show government the right well the state of new hampshire supposedly one of the nation right. You're talking about the government saying that the government's sounds good with that that that we're fighting ineffectively hearing when you say the state of new hampshire is the free free est of all the fifty states. You're just comparing cancers and you're saying the government of the state of new hampshire is less cancerous than the government of of <hes> all the other states so yeah they're still they're still violating people's rights here. They're still putting innocent peaceful people behind bars. There's still a state right but i guess i'm not. I don't know it just it was a little bit of extreme story but anyways. I thought it was the money store and i thought i'd share that with you all thank you. It was a funny story. One of the funniest parts was i read a i don't have it pulled up in front of me but i read a quote from the woman who was obviously grateful that she's going. It'd be allowed to keep the license plate that apparently she's had for some amount of time like it was about fifteen years years so that now she gets you know she's just to keep it and she'd made some statement about how if the license plate were were pulled she would not be living free because again new hampshire is for your die but having played period is also that was not writing for that was my point like you're you're arguing over your state required mandated plate that if you don't have on your car a man with a gun is going to likely threatened with violence if you don't pull over to the side of the road and do what he says so the fact that you've got that plate to say what what you wanted it to say okay well. That's good but you're not free right is not the indicator but for her it was for her. That was her mark of one understood. The state crosses that line then she's not free but all taxes and regulations. That's totally fine. I would love to see somebody propose. A mandatory named name gene tag ally at the state level just for the human body and the to make a point of the license plates are ridiculous. We should get rid of all the license plates are all about control right but the argument's license plates are ridiculous but if you compare it to a law for an anti gua- you would see how ridiculous it really is right because it arguments might pass it. I'd probably right. I mean there's probably going to be people who take you seriously but i mean seriously like if if you look at it a name tag effectively would allow cops to know who who they're dealing with a theoretically at least to the extent that they know who they're dealing with when it comes to driving a car and license plate so oh same argument and he just sounds ridiculous. When you talk about name tags toll free number eight fifty five four hundred fifty free you can join us here. Our number three is on the way got a bunch of people jump into the <hes> the discord chat room. 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Podcast comes from nature's way maker of sam bogus. Lucas drug free supplements made from the elderberry that are only grown at the perfect altitude and hand picked at their peak. It's part of their commitment to let traditional wisdom. Is them lead the way learn more at nature's way dot com. Hey it's guy here so today. Show is all about why some people believe in power higher than themselves and others. Don't this episode first aired in november of twenty thirteen but this time around we've included a brand new interview with greg tarkenton. He's an ordained minister. Whose faith was tested in a way few of us could ever imagine this is the ted radio you our each week round breaking ted talks and talks <hes> technology entertainment design design. Is that really what the ten kim delivered at ted conferences around the world. If the human imagination we've had to believe an impossible thing it's true nature of reality beckons from just beyond those talks. Those ideas adapted for radio from n._p._r. Guy roz so a lot of us have some sort of plan ric following a vision path. We set out for our lives but for some people it's more than that. It's the path that god has laid out. Exactly faith is trust trust. I just assumed that this was god's path for me. This is greg thompkins in his path became clear to him in one thousand nine hundred six six when he was a student at arizona state university and he decided to dedicate his life to his faith when i did that i just know angels angels no trumpets but i knew that got gotten a hold of my life so i went to phoenix seminary and began taking classes and i guess really fell in love with the academic side the thinking side of the christian faith a few years later on craig made his wife lianne. He thought that was part of the plan to yeah we met at church i was teaching our college ministry and then walk this this beautiful woman and i just thought i'd love to get to know her and so we decided to go out on a date dated for two years and we got married in nineteen ninety-six an craig and lee and built a life for themselves based on this plan. She started working at phoenix children's hospital in ninety seven and then i planted a church in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and so so our journey was definitely embedded embedded in again a solid faith. We both knew we wanted to pursue a christian marriage raise kids in the christian faith and for the next decade. That's exactly what they did. We had three kids have done a cold a sack two dogs a mini van. I i felt like we were living the christian life and so not to paint the suburban typical picture but that's honestly where we were at. We were comfortably enjoying waiting life up until two thousand ten up until march sixth two thousand ten i received that knock on on the door and the only thing i remember is looking back into our living room seeing my three children and opening the door seeing a police officer and then two people flanking him in black windbreakers that was a police chaplain in a childcare care worker and the rested play out like a movie and words have never had worked up until that moment when he said at about seven thirty your wife was killed in a car accident those those words brought me to my knees and and i remember my kids rushing toward me and i i could only muster the the words amami had an accident tonight and she's in heaven and we're not going to see her again this side of heaven but she's okay and we have a lot to live for but we need to do that as best we can together and then one day we'll see mommy again and that was all about all i could get out and and within twenty or thirty minutes my house was filled with relatives people who loved me and lovely and bannon loved our kids and we were all weeping and grieving together greg johnson continues his story from the ted stage so on march six two thousand and ten myself along with ten year old six year old bailey and four year old malir began our journey of life without our wife and mother but what has made this trek so especially demanding for me is that i'm a man of faith not casual casual faith but a faith that is defined me for over thirty years. So what do you do when your faith has been traumatized by such such a traumatic event. What do you do when you've told people time and time again to trust and follow and obey what do you do when you earnestly begin doubting the very subject that you've been promoting your entire adult life so the why questions just you know flooded my inbox if you will. Why did this happen. Why did you take her from me. Why can't i just go on living the life if i was. I thought everything was good between god and i thought that that i just assumed that this was god's path for me. Len's death shook greg's faith it through what he thought was his path his ability to trust and the question things things like this happen to people every day around the world and many of them still choose to believe but how can billions of us believe in something we don't physically see where does doubt fit into this belief well today on the show. We're gonna explore stories of people grappling with faith and belief relief for greg in the face of doubt in the darkest moment of his life. He had to rethink his faith. He had to rethink how he i saw. God's plan for him craig did you. I mean you knew or you believe that. God had a plan for you us and then the plan that you thought we had for you is upended. Did you begin to doubt the wisdom of that plan or even the plant itself not only did. I doubt it. I wanted to and the plan <hes> if i if i could be honest <hes> i beg god to take me home. I was not suicidal but there were very vivid moments being overwhelmed with the tragedy and then the responsibility of of raising three children and so yes i i i began and it never happened before march. Sixth i began began to talk with god about my plan because my plan had been so radically altered. I really did believe that. I could go to him now and start negotiating <hes> what the rest of the plan was going to look like so my my my journal is full of entries that have me lashing out at god have me being angry with him with the situation -tuation with the young man that killed my wife. Okay god this happened. I can't reverse history so you need to now make sense of this mhm unilateral prayer. I had with god five days after the accident was recorded in my journal. Dear god the pain that's beginning. The set in right now is so intense. I can't see your goodness. I know you're near but i don't want that. I want my wife back. I wanted us to grow old in to die into experience heaven together. So what happened to that plan. Why was that plan and so wrong. And why do you find it so appalling for me to want to watch my wife love on our kids for a few more years now that you've taken her god when's it my turn and how awful would it be if you decided to take me home and leave our kids without a mother or father you couldn't have changed your plan plan by one minute one minute and that stop light wouldn't have been read one minute so i can't see your goodness. All i can z. As you allowing my wife to be killed all i can see as you along my kids to live without a mother. So how wrong is that god somewhere along the journey. I arrived at a question that i needed an answer to. Is this going to be a long term. Experience experience for me will my journey of faith. Now forever be embedded with this overtone of doubt our faith in doubt inextricably probably linked some would say yes. Faith has no easy answers that it's difficult and stubborn netted involves. This ongoing going struggled their faith in doubt will forever be joined in that those who don't doubt really aren't experiencing faith. You know i've i'm sure you've experiences. You talked to some people about faith and the way they talk about faith. I'm almost sort of jealous of it because it seems easy that it's it's just a faith.'. Simple it sounds like when you talk about faith now that its heart. It's not actually easy. There is struggle in finding faith. I've never found faith to be easy and so this accident accentuated that it didn't draw me away from god it drew me into god but i've never understood when people have claimed that faith is easy. See faith is difficult. It's it's hard to define and it's even harder to live and so my understanding my belief my trust based in god relies heavily on the intellectual side of trying to understand who god is with that said god faith includes trust and its trust in an object that i can't see i can give evidence by way of god's creation creation but i've never been able to prove god empirically and i think that causes me to continue to get up every day deciding to trust in him. Could i wake up one day and decide that all of what i've been doing for the past forty years has been a farce i i don't want to discount that that could ever happen but if i can get on the other end of a tragedy as big as losing my wife and still believe that i'm quite confident that that isn't going to be the case that said i don't know if i would have the kind of faith i have have if it was easy yeah i always want to be asking good questions that allow myself and those around me to to to talk to god in a way that i don't believe he's threatened by god make sense of this. I don't understand this. I need this a bit more clear and for me. God has time and time again answered those prayers. That's greg tonkin on kinton. He's an educator valley. Christian high school and grand canyon university in two thousand thirteen greg was remarried. He and his wife jennifer are now raising using a blended family complete with five children. You can see greg's full talk at ted dot n._p._r. 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I am a very very firm agnostic by which i mean i'm not faithless but i put my faith in inquiry and i know this sounds strange but i have very deep sense of mystery dream for might be called religious mystery and it was that sense of mystery of religious mystery that prompted leslie who by the way is an agnostic jew that prompted her to spend five years of her life researching and writing a biography about the prophet muhammad and it all started with one question one question that kept nagging her here. She is on the ted stage. I found myself waking each morning and misty seattle what i knew. It was an impossible question what actually happened one desert night half the world and almost half of history story away what happened that is on the night in the year six hundred ten when muhammad received the first revelation of the koran on a mountain just just outside mecca. This is the core mystical moment of islam and as such of course it defies empirical analysis which might be why when i looked at the earliest accounts we have of that night what struck me even more than what happened was what did not what happened did not come floating off the mountain as they're walking on air. He did not run down shouting hallelujah bless the lord god. There were no choirs of angels. No music of the spheres no relation no ecstasy no golden aura surrounding him aw no sense of an absolute for danger role as the messenger of kahad quite the contrary in his own reported voted words. He was convinced that i that what had happened couldn't have been real good <music> what did happen. He was terrified. He was in fear for for his life. He thought this angelic apparition. This voice was going to smother him was going to just just literally squeeze the life out of his chest <music>. He thought he was going to die when he didn't. His first reaction was that he had to be mad. He had been in saying this had to be a delusion and he was terrified. Let other people say this him. In fact he was so sure that he could only be mush known possessed by a jinn when he found himself still alive his first impulse was to finish the job himself to leap off the highest cliff and escape the terror of what he'd experienced by putting an end to all experience so the man who fled down the mountain that night jumbled not this joy but with the stock primordial fear it was overwhelmed not with conviction but by dr he he was a he was a doubter. I think the best of us are the worst of us. Are those who never doubt who is so sure that we possess the absolute truth that we become less human what struck me about muhammad. Hamad depressed went into his life. What how extraordinarily human he was and his ability to acknowledge his own fallibility. We see it there by the way at the very last words of jesus father. Why have you forsaken me wonderful. <hes> exquisite agonizing moment of doubt mohamed is not the pope of islam. He's the prophet and end prophets to can doubt this is what makes him human to human for some like conservative muslim theologians agents who maintain that the account of his wanting to kill himself shouldn't even be mentioned despite the fact that it's in the earliest islamic biographies they insist assist that he never doubted for even a single moment. Let alone despair demanding perfection. They refuse to tolerate human imperfection yet. What exactly is imperfect about dumb abolish. All doubt out of what's left is not faith but absolute heartless conviction so doubt is essential. I think it's part of us that we need to cherish we have this idea that doubt is somehow imperfect at the something wrong with doubt is this desire for certainty that i see is so dangerous and the desire for perfectibility effective -bility. Just let go of perfectionist just accepted. Were cuban. Were imperfect. That's what makes us interesting. That's what makes the world interesting. If we will all perfect we were all alike we would die of boredom where does like faith end in conviction began. I think they're in two separate spills. The people i know of deepest faith i'm not convinced they have faith despite the doubts in fact because of their doubts it's a dance and they're very very aware of this and it goes beyond belief in they know that this is not rational and yet they commit themselves and that active commitment that existential active commitment that i saw admire and that very very deep sense that religion is in a sense not even about god <hes> it's about humans. It's about making ourselves. Better people lesley azazel tin. She's the author of the first muslim the story of muhammad. You can see her entire talk at ted dot n._p._r. Org hello hello hello. Hello oh you see. This is the comedian julia sweeney. What is it that you believe in well. I think first of all the weird believe it has a lot of different connotations. I think when people talk about religion they take believed to be the same as faith so i would like to define the word believe in the way you're asking me the question as in. What do i have confidence in okay fine. Okay i have confidence in the scientific method. I have confidence in the biological history of our species being interconnected live in tribal and helping each other and connected through love and family and relations. Is this answering your question. This is a complicated idea for julia sweeney. She's been wrestling with what it means to believe for most of her life and it's a story that she told on the ted ed stage on september tenth the morning of my seventh birthday. I came downstairs to the kitchen where my mother was washing the dishes and my father was reading the paper for something and i sort of presented myself to them in the doorway and they said hey happy birthday and said i'm seven and my father smiled al-din said well. You know what that means. Don't you and i said yeah. I'm gonna have a party and a cake and get a lot of presence and my dad said well yes but but more importantly being seven means that you've reached the age of reason and you're now capable of committing any and all sins against god and man so i said yeah yeah age of reason what does that mean and my dad said well. We believe in the catholic church. God knows that little kids don't i don't know the difference between right and wrong but when you're seven year old enough to know better so you've grown up and reached the age of reason and now god will start keeping notes on you you and begin your permanent record and i said oh wait a minute. You mean all that time <music>. I'm up till today all the time. I was so good. God didn't notice and my mom said we'll. I noticed i thought how can i not have known this before. How could it not have sunk in when they've been telling me all about being good and no real credit for it first of all. How could i not have realized this very very important information till the very day that it was basically useless to me so i said well mom and dad about santa claus. I mean santa claus knows if you're not auty or nice right and my dad said honey. I think that's technically just between thanksgiving and christmas and my mother said oh bob stop it. Let's just tell all. Are i mean she's seven julie. There is no santa claus who now i didn't know it at the time but i really wasn't turning seven on september tenth so my thirteenth birthday. I plan to slumber party with all of my girlfriends but a couple of weeks beforehand forehand. My mother took me aside and said i need to speak to you. Privately september tenth is not your birthday. It's october tenth and i said what and she said listen. The cutoff date to start kindergarten was september fifteen. I told him that your birthday was september tenth and then i wasn't sure you weren't just going to go all over the place so i started to tell you your birthday. It was september tenth. Julia was so ready to start school honey. You're so ready. I thought about it. When i was four. I was already the oldest of four children and my mother even had another child to come so what i think she understandably really meant was that she was already. She was ready then. She said. Don't worry julie every year on october town when it was your birthday but you didn't realize it. I made sure that you ate a piece of cake that day. It wasn't until years later looking back on this whole age of reason change of birthday thing that it dawned on me. I wasn't turning seven when i thought i'd turned seven. I had other months anything i want to do before god. I started keeping tabs on me. Oh life can be so cruel such a crazy story. Did any of this like shape the way you thought about any of your beliefs well. I had always had a sort of affectionate relationship with the catholic church which raised in a catholic culture and i liked it. I loved the catholic school and i loved the nuns and <hes> and then when it came to the belief part of it. I uh i always was a little bit skeptical but i didn't look into it very deeply until she did one afternoon. When julia heard a knock at the door and there were two mormon missionaries who were standing there and they said they had a message for me from god. I said a message for me from god and they said yes now. I was raised in the pacific northwest around a lot of church of latter day saints people and you know i've worked with them and even dated them but i never really knew through the doctrine or what they said to people when they're out on a mission and i guess it was sort of curious so i said please come in and they looked really happy because i don't think this happens to them. All all that often so i sat down and i got them glasses of water and after niceties they said. Do you believe that god loves you with all his heart and i thought well of course i believe in god but i don't like that word heart because it anthropomorphized god and i don't like the word his either because that sexualize is god but i didn't want to argue semantics with these boys so after very long uncomfortable pause i said yes yes i do i feel very loved and they looked at each other and smiled like that was the right answer and then they said. Do you believe we're all brothers and sisters on this planet and i said yes i do. Yes i do and i was so relieved. That was a question. I can answer so quickly but the question they asked me when i first arrived really stuck stuck in my head. Did i believe god love me with all his heart because i wasn't exactly sure how. I felt about that question now if they'd asked me do you do you feel that god loves with all his heart. Will that would have been much different. I think i would have instantly answered yes. Yes i feel all the time i feel god's love when i'm hurt hurt and confused and i feel consoled and cared for i take shelter in god's love when i don't understand why tragedy hits and and i feel god's love when i look with gratitude due to all the beauty i see but since they asked me that question with the word believing somehow it was all different because i wasn't exactly sure if i believed what i so clearly felt a julia. This is how you're talking and i have so many more questions for you so at this point. I guess i should reveal that not long. After the mormon missionaries came to visit you actually became an atheist had that happened. You do remember well. It was over a two year period but there was a moment. It was <hes> any of sorts. There's a religious word for you. I had been doing a lot of reading and research about religion and i was walking through the backyard and it suddenly hit me that i didn't believe anymore. I really didn't believe in god. There was a sign. You got a sign that that there was no god no was not a cy wasn't decided it was a developing understanding a weirdo like we're kind of socialized to talk about these things in religious terms because i mean this is your moment of atheism and it was like an epiphany yeah. I mean it is true. I don't want to overplay it. I didn't like fall down to the ground or anything anything or change my name from salt paul or anything like that is really a party like and very small part of you know the kind of like holds out hope that almost like doubts your doubt now. I don't even think about it really frankly anymore. I'm i'm just i'm living my life. As a person who accepts the natural world you know and this whole idea that there's a god who cares whether people believe in him or not like why would god care of people believed in him or not like that was one of the many things that i found so shocking reading the bible is first of all how insecure god is. I mean god is so insecure. He needs everyone to say you're the number one the number one overall the other gods and and you're the top god and like it's the most host insecure character so you talk you mention this idea the of like feeling god's love me. Is that something that you you ever still feel. Actually i feel all those things even more deeply but i i just don't think a deity in the sky who i think has provided all those things. Do you see what i mean so like i don't say thank thank you god for providing this lovely day. I just think wow this is a really beautiful day. It's not thinking an idea yeah of god for providing it. It's feeling lucky that i get to experience it because of just the serendipitous nature of nature itself and that i'm happened to we standing here and i happen to be looking at it. Why is the word belief so hard for you well. I don't think it's just me. I think that word word is conflated with a bunch of things and so then when you say you don't believe in god anymore. Sometimes people say oh. You're not a believer in anything mike saying you. You're denying those reality and that isn't what i feel. I have confidence in a lot of things and a lot of different sources sources of knowledge that we've accumulated and personal experience and all kinds of stuff like that so i've tried to be careful using the word believe i actually try to avoid using the word julius we need tedtalk is based on her stage. Monologue called letting go of god and you can see her talk at ted dot n._p._r. Dot org stay with us more believers doubters in a moment gyros and you're listening to the ted radio hour from from n._p._r. Own support for this podcast and the following following message come from the walton family foundation where opportunity takes root more information is available at walton family foundation dot org. Hey hey thanks so much to our sponsor. 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News podcast that gets you caught up on the big news in a small amount of time spent about ten minutes with up first weekday mornings from n._p._r. News it's the ted radio hour from n._p._r. And garros today show believers in doubters who believes who doesn't and why what do you believe in. I believe that life is very short. Our responsibility is to be good to ourselves and those around us. I believe in civilization wisdom. I'm i'm very susceptible to beauty. This is the writer landed baton and if you noticed he did not mention anything about god because it doesn't believe in god but once just a little bit more out of atheism. Here's how we start ted talk. One of the most common ways days of dividing the world is into those who believe and those who don't into the religious and the atheists and for the last decade eight or so. It's been quite clear what being an atheist means. There have been some very vocal atheists pointed out not just that religion is wrong but that it's ridiculous they've argued that believing in god is akin to believing in fairies now. I think it's too easy to dismiss the whole of religion that way what i'd like to inaugurate today is a new way of being an atheist. If you like a new version of atheism we could call atheism atheism two point zero now. What is atheism two point. Oh well it starts from a very basic premise. Of course there's no god of course there. There are no deities or supernatural spirits or angels etc now. Let's move on. I'm interested in kind of constituency. That thinks something along on these lines. I can't believe in doctrines. I don't think these doctrines are right but very important but i love christmas carols. I really you like the art of antenna. I really like looking at old churches. I really like turning the pages of the old testament whatever it may be you know the kind of thing i'm talking about people who are attracted to the ritualistic side the moralistic communal side of religion but can't bear the doctrine now. I think there is an alternative tentative. I think there are ways and being both very respectful and completely impious of stealing from religions. If you don't believe in a religion there's nothing in wrong with picking and mixing with taking out the best sides of religion take a cathedral. Why cathedrals impressive okay is it god no. It's architecture okay. Yes it was inspired by god but ultimately it's an architectural phenomenon where if you are very small in a vast ost space that is both psyche frightening and also very uplifting we will get this beneath the evening sky you go about on clear summer's night under the evening sky and suddenly you are paralleled with something so vast that your own smallness is seen not as a crushing and humiliating thing but as redemptive thing that is i think the core of the religious sense the core of the religious sense is feeling feeling small within the vastness. It is something that predates belief goes beyond belief you can have it as a non believer and i have it all the time and it's just religions of being onto this feeling and they've made the most of it and that is what alan wants atheists to to do to figure out how to address some of our deepest and most basic needs the way religion has done it for centuries in the early nineteenth century recharge attendance in western europe started sliding down very sharply and people panicked. They ask themselves the following question. They said where are people going to find morality letty. Where are they going to find guidance. And where are they going to find sources of consolation and influential voices came up with one answer. It's to culture that we should look for guidance for consolation for morality. Let's look to the plays of shakespeare the dialogues of plato the novels of jane austen in there. We'll find a lot of the truths that we might previously have found in the gospel of saint john. I think that's a very beautiful idea in a very true idea. It's also an idea that we have forgotten. Let's say you went to harvard or oxford cambridge and and you said you know i've come here because i'm in search of morality guidance and consolation. I want to know how to live. They would show you the way to the insane asylum. This is simply not what our grandest and best institutes of higher learning are in the business of why. They don't think we need it. They don't think we are in urgent need of assistance. They see us as adults else rational adults. We don't need help now. Religion start from a very different place indeed all major religions at various points corless children. They believe leave that we are in severe need of assist only just holding it together. Perhaps is it just me maybe but anyway we're only just holding it together and we need help. Of course we need help and so we need guidance and didactic learning. We tend to believe the modern secular world but if you tell someone something once they'll remember it. Sit them in a classroom. Tell them about later later at the age of twenty. Send them out at career in management consultancy for forty years and that lesson will stick with them. Religions go nonsense. You need to keep repeating the lesson ten times today to get on your knees and repeat at ten twenty or fifteen times a day otherwise our minds like sieves. Did you ever find yourself feeling like like you're missing out like like. Do you ever just want to go to a church or synagogue and just like feel it <hes> look i think like many secular people i'm i i look on with a certain kind of mixture of envy and dissatisfaction interest at the religious festivals of my i believe in friends and i tell myself <hes> yom kippur. You know that's very interesting. You look back of sins. You might have committed also forgiveness you renew new social ties and i find myself in a yom kippur service and i think <hes> something i like him but i'm not sure look. I think that the modern secular world is he's very new. It's only really been in the last hundred years. The blink of an eyelid that a substantial number of people in the developed world have been nonbelievers and i think we are still trying to work out what a good non-believing life might look like. We've got a lot to invent still can't help us think that it's almost like you're calling for like a new kind of religion i am i am calling for new religion. But what does that mean okay so if you do away with religion. That's not the the end of the story. If you simply announce okay i don't believe in god the creation stories myth etc fine good for you fine what happens now. Where are you going to go with all all those needs which religion formerly attended to now some people take a very bluff approach at that point and they go look. I don't mind. I've got some poetry to read in the evening. I go to the local library. If i want to meet anyone and <hes> if i need some transcendental feelings well you know look myself on a trip to the grand canyon. Thanks very much end of story. I think that is the end of the story. I think there's an enormous amount don't that needs to be invented and there's opportunity for all of us thinking secular people to respect religions for what they achieved and look look forward to a future where we can get creative. Is there any part of like ebay teeny tiny part of you that sometimes doubts <music> your doubts genuinely no but there is quite a big part of me that will love religion to be true and it particularly at moments of crisis. That's where i think my goodness. I would love to believe that this could be made better or that. There was something beyond or that. I could control the fate of a loved. One life is going to pit all of us in extremely dramatic situations that certainly explain to me psychologically why god was not some luxury or piece of myth. I the experience god as a psychological necessity for the intolerable anxiety and fear of being human. I can't believe in god but boy. Oh boy do y. No why people do believe baton. He's the author of religion for atheists and his latest book is called art as therapy check out. Both of his talks at ted dot com so what if everyone we've heard from on the show today is right like what if there is only your truth which is what definite botanic beliefs. My truth is my truth. Your autres your truth and six billion people on the planet of six billion truths and you believe your dessert. Would i believe my truth is the truth and that's why we argue de right about hinduism particularly about hindu mythology but he's also really interested in universal myths and truths and why people argue about them <music>. Here's how he starts ted talk. The world is objective logical universal scientific. My world is subjective. It's personal. It's perceptions thoughts feelings dreams it is the belief system that we carry and it's the myth that we live in the world tells us how the sun rises how we are born my worry take us why the sun rises why so when i ask q about belief i mean what do you think it is about belief or faith that the people seem to need you see if you look at nature there is the animal which the predator editor which is constantly looking for food and restless and frightened that's hunger and then there are animals which i pray which constantly seeking protection and security not because otherwise the predator will eat them so that's fear and the human beings come along and we imagine a world without hunger and we imagine a world without fear and we also imagine the opposite of world with absolute federal hunger and absolute terrible fear the former the world without hunger and fear because heaven and the world full of in finite hunger and fear we call hell and we are wondering how to be a wide hale and go towards what does happen and we're looking for answers everywhere and someone comes along the delta something it'd be say hey that'll take me to have that's faith in this understanding of our ancestors is transmitted generation from generation in the a form of stories symbols and rituals which are always indifferent to rationality and so when you study it to realize is that different people of the world have a different understanding of the world there is my world and that is your world and my world is always better than your would because my rational and yours is superstition. Yours is faith. Yours is illogical. This is the root the clash of civilizations. I was really interested in the story told in your talk about alexander the great and completely different perspectives perspective on it like from the hindu perspective and from the greek perspective yes. The story goes that alexander met <hes> person in india call the gymnast surfaced which is basically means naked wise man and he asked the gym lucifer's twas doing sitting on a rock doing nothing staring at the sky and alexander asked him so what are you doing. Are you doing and the gymnasts office. John said i'm experiencing nothingness then the gymnast office task. What are you doing and alexander said i am conquering the world and they both laughed each one part. That was the fooling gymnasts office said. Why is he conquering the world. It's pointless and alexander thought. Why is he sitting around doing nothing. What a waste of a life. The two people looked at the same situation very differently because each of them believed different. Things alexander believed you live only once all his life as a child he read stories of heroes who do something spectacular takkula and because they do something spectacular the land up in a place called elysium heaven of heroes and he wanted to be one of them so he worked all his life trying to be a great eight man but that's not the story. The sophist heard he heard of very different story you see the indians also had a river it separates the land of the living from the land of the dead but you don't cross it once you go to and fro endlessly because you see nothing last forever in india not even death the same life is lived infinite times. Do get the point of it all. You're groundhog's day two different mythologies different ways of looking at the world one believes this the one and only life the other believes. This is one of many lives. People must ask you all the time who's right. Yes they do at s._a. You decide it's your decision. You are the judge. I guess i'd rather live you know. Multiple lives lives and just one right less pressure in some ways. There is less pressure but you see it also makes you inefficient big. You lack dies ical lazy see if you wanna save the world. You need one life. Do you think more people would identify with the the gym sophist or with alexander. The simple answer answer is when things are going right for you think of yourself as alexander. You've achieved success. If things are going so well you relationships break down and you know lives sucks. Is this not last forever. New life will come along and everything grew change happy and if you look at cultures around the world to do is understand the mythology and you will see how to behave and how they do business live only once in one life cultures around the world you will see an obsession with binary logic absolute truth standardization absoluteness zenia patterns and design but if you look at cultures which have psychological and based on infinite lives he will comfort with fuzzy logic context jewel thinking with everything is relative relatives sort off mostly this look at your indian people around here. You'll see them smile. They know what it is and then l. Look at people have done business in india u._c._l._a. Exasperation on their faces so they'll always be people who believe in one life will always be people believe in many lives. What's your truth that everybody has a right to the truth. What about yours eight is that there's nothing in this world is permanent. Nothing is perfect. Everything's transforming all the time. Do you believe this with. I do with all of your heart and soul well. Every time i look into the mirror is growing old. Uh so then it is my hairs grey. My skin wrinkling the trees are falling. People are changing all the time that never changes and so the next time you meet someone a stranger one request understand that you live in the subjective truth and so does he undestand it then you understand it. You will discover something spectacular. You discover that with an infinite myths lies the eternal trute drut who sees it all veterans has but a thousand is in the hundred you and i only two tonigh- is written more than a dozen has in books on hindu mythology. You can see his entire ted. Talk at ted dot com coming through <hes> they have to <hes> josh thinks for listening to our show unbelievers in doubters this week our production staff at n._p._r. 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They're down in town. <hes> grounds only got like an interest in and it was fine. I just thought of something your grandkids are going to be just waiting with bated breath around you and your rocker to listen to all your stories you can go through every year of your life and tell them hey on january twenty x._y._z. Why is your pa data deep man. You'll just be full of it. That's still going to be a while. Oh yeah i mean that's that's not the swimming that i have any now. That's going to be a what it is funny though it over time how that's just blends <hes> you know but hopefully they'll. They'll listen a few stories that would be listen now. Giantism all right to come here in just a little bit on our f._d._a. Illinois are empty radio networks. Rita frazier connects rule routes for you. You rita delivers passion and reliable information to listeners on the r._f._i._d. Radio network her radio career spans close to three decades. Here's a bit about her rule routes. 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Illinois on a saturday mckay mckay washington correspondent key issues as you mentioned that you're covering trade in ethanol. It's weird that we can't pick one over the other because they kind of mesh s. together. In a meeting at the white house earlier in the week y'all reportedly rita that was controversial meeting at the white house involving the president and midwest lawmakers and officials and <hes> the discussion according to bloomberg news turn from the issue of china and the trade war to the ethanol waivers for small oil refiners reportedly began dan the president said he felt misled about e._p._a.'s most recent batch thirty one a small refinery exemptions at the same time of the e._p._a. Was issuing a statement that the extensions had no impact on ethanol producers well neither of those comments fat <hes> well well with the ethanol groups energy c._e._o. Emily scores shot back an a statement that the president's feeling misled came as it's no surprise because the spend months to paper over the impact of its refinery handouts and <hes> the devastating the impact that this is hard on both the biofuel sector and farmers cutting numerous <hes> biofuel plants out of production action <hes> slowing some and also <hes> destroying a significant to ban foreign corn in fact <hes> so much settled in the renewable skills association president jeff cooper said when you look at the laws demand we're talking about the some two hundred twenty five five million bushels adding that as equivalent to a racing demand for the entire mission corn crops so this is huge and it comes. I'm big time when farmers k. constituency the president a lot of seeing increases bankruptcies and plunging farm income as a jeff cooper puts it to e._p._a. Pretend nothing is wrong. Rome is burning while g._p._a. Plays niro's fiddles though you can see based on those comments and some of the emotional responses that <hes> the ethanol industry and agriculture pretty upset on on with the way things are going on the front. How trade are we any closer to deal well. <hes> you know that again again. <hes> is <hes> something that <hes> we just don't know the final result of because there's this back and forth <hes> i done the president. The administration say they done on there could be a deal. They say they've done the chinese. Maybe coming in september but then you hear the president say that <hes> that he's not ready to make a deal a comment. He made this past week so we just don't know about that. What we do no <hes> is that discussions are continuing <hes> but <hes> other discussions are continuing as well including japan <hes> and <hes> <hes> also <hes> with <hes> between the white house and congress to get the u._s. Mexico canada agreement done so there is a heavy activity early on the trade front. We spoke this past week with a senate finance committee chair chuck grassley whose committee has trae jurisdiction. He says he's very optimistic. Pick-up about japan i would expect an announcement in the next couple of weeks even went so far as to say could precede ratification of the congress of the u._s. Mexico mexico canada deal and the doug thank <hes> great now that you pan <hes> if there is a trade agreement with may drive occasion by the congress on it done it could simply be done and signed by the administration <hes> not something that is covered by the trade promotion emotional or fast track process in congress <hes> he's also optimistic. There could be a deal with the united kingdom whether or not there's a hard or soft border her between northern ireland and republic of ireland. He says he's met with trade ministers from london. They take either way. This can be done although there is a huge pressure here in washington <hes> by <hes> the democrats to make sure that there is an open border because that would prevent renewed violence. I hi in or help. Prevent it in ireland matt as always thanks for your continued to cover it mckay washington correspondent. We'll be back with more r._s._d. Illinois you're going going to need me. You're going to us. All all of us going to need our technical skills or math or engineering skills. You're going to need our help with your water. Your air your food. You're going to need our organizational skills. Our problem-solving skills hill going to need our determination. Our honesty our compassion. You're going to need the next generation of leaders to face the challenges. The future future'll bring and we promise we'll be there when you today four h is growing the next generation ration- of leaders support us at four h dot org this is. Let's talk horses on our f._d._u. Radio network. I'm jason fans. Taylor famous and extension equine specialist permission state is with us to visit about coaching a horse judging team and taylor when it comes to forming a judging team. What is the first thing to consider well. The first thing to consider when coaching a horse judging team after you've got individuals that are just excited and ready to learn is to assess where your areas of weakness and strength are know which classes you might have a good base the knowledge in those that you feel pretty unfamiliar with and feel free to line up different resources different experts in those areas so that you can call pablum when you need to teach your team about that specific class or type of writing tools a little bit about competitive horse judging a a lot of people don't know about competitor judging and to be honest. I was one of those people until i went to grad school and that's where i learned about it. I fell in love with it and now i'm. I'm so glad that i'm m._s._u. Horse judging coach. It's absolutely one of the most fun part of my job. What it is is in our particular case. It's collegiate students but there's also oh f._f._a. And four h. divisions throughout the nation and there are different contests setup by breed organizations or different shows goes and they'll set up basically like a mini horse show. Every single class is just four horses. There's two different types of classes. They'll be judging halter classes or performance classes. Halter classes are essentially on confirmation performance are when they're writing and then they turn in what they feel the correct placings are and then they do have to defend some of those placings using oral reason so after the whole day they judge classes to give oral reasons then there's generally an awards program where they get awards based on the team that placed the classes the the best in the team's top the best sets of oral reasons so what he do when a team has different experience levels or say you know a couple of team members i have been judging for a while and maybe a couple of others are relatively new to it well. I'm used to working with this so it's most often that all all the students that i work with are very new horse judging there. I experienced their first exposure to it was our intro spring class at michigan n._c. University so every once in a while we'll have a couple that are pretty familiar. They did it in four h. r. f._f._a. And those years are great because i'm able to use those students as examples or mentors for the last experience students one thing that i like to do you can tell when the students students start working together some will rise to the top some of your more talented students or some that are better giving oral reasons or better placing so what i like to to do with oral reasons is make sure that the different team members have the opportunity to hear each other give oral reasons and learning from your peers is one of the best sways to learn and to remember <hes> different tips which when you're coaching at horse judging team what are the keys to being successful and also making making sure that the members enjoy it as a coach. I feel like one of the keys to being successful is just be fair with your team members. Let them know early on what your expectations are which is really easy for me because i have a syllabus right at the beginning but if you were even coaching a four h. team it's not a bad idea. Give them an agenda for say say your practice even when you expect practice what you expect from them what you expect of yourself and when those are laid out really clearly it can be a whole lot more fun and then when those expectations are not met it will be easier to approach that subject because you you laid those out right at the beginning. I like to be really fair with my students but i also like to be their friend watched them grow and hopefully develop relationship beyond the team and i have ended up in my extension <hes> i i have a lot of volunteers now through my different teams that i've coached a lot of them wanna stick around and help in any way they can and so i'm able to utilize their talents in extension and that was because i was very clear at the beginning what my expectations were of them. I ended up becoming a mentor to them and vice versa and so i keep them around. We'll tell you thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me. That's favors davis an extension equine specialist at michigan state university. She's been our guest on. Let's talk horses on the r._f._i._d. Radio network thanks for listening. Please tune in next time for another addition of. Let's talk horses. Hello america and welcome to the resource livestock market watch. I'm nathan locie see with agresource company in chicago. Agresource offers daily market updates via email which feature all the latest market news along short long-term price forecasts are reports feature coverage of livestock grain and oilseed markets and also comprehensive for marketing advice. You can spend less time worrying about the markets and more time focused on your farmer ranch. Go to agresource dot com com or you can get your first month subscription for just a dollar on teachers were on both sides of unchanged through the weekend. We're lower on late. Selling depressed october hogs to new lows news as a china would add an additional ten percent tariff the u._s. pork and beef drove the markets down at the end of the week fundamentally monthly u._s._d. Reports showed a record large july hog slaughter. That was is ten percent more than a year ago. Within a month. July pork stocks still nine percent over last year he was pork market is heavily supplied production rates will hold the record levels into the end of the year technically hog futures are deeply oversold levels but the cash market continuing down every day five features then the week near sixty dollars the lowest since last march with long term support expected affected fifty to fifty five dollars later this fall a major increase in export demand is needed to change the supply driven bearish outlook cattle futures traded firm through the week with support coming from ideas the break at both the c._m._e. Ending the planes cash markets had been overdone initial castrating. The north was a couple of dollars higher trade in the south held until friday and was a dollar higher at one. Oh six technically spot futures bounced off one hundred dollars for both the semi and planes cash markets will be well supported. The first target for december cattle is at one hundred eleven dollars for the much much stronger rallied back to one twenty to one twenty four could be under way through the fourth quarter as packers take advantage of the strong margins that have been offered in the last two weeks until next time. I'm nathan and locie and thanks for listening this week. The agresource livestock market watch. Thanks nathan difficult report to endure but that is the way the market gone late deserved illinois. We break for market. Were university of illinois extension. I'm todd gleason. The weather is next <music>. Illinois state climatologist office for the illinois state water survey at the university diversity of illinois prairie research institute. This is kevin grady much of illinois saw periods of showers and storms this past week with most of the state receiving over an inch of rain a particularly strong set of storms moved across the state tuesday morning the storm prediction center received numerous wind damage reports from these tuesday storms from the quad cities southeast through central illinois temperatures were also warmer than average for most of the state this week especially especially in southern illinois which highs commonly in the nineties on monday so far is a whole august temperatures have been close to average across illinois. Most of the state has also been drier than average in august except for parts of central illinois between i seventy to sixty four which has seen up to two inches inches above average rain. The national weather service is calling for cooler drier and less humid conditions across most of illinois this weekend with with highs generally in the mid seventies up to around eighty knows in the mid fifty s to mid sixties looking ahead the six to ten day outlook from from the climate prediction center is calling for these cooler conditions to continue favoring moderate probabilities of below average temperatures throughout illinois. Uh slight probabilities of above average precipitation are also favored across the state. This is kevin grady from the illinois state climatologist and i'm talk gleason extension. You have a great and very safe week and check the markets carl agrivisor down again for corn and soybeans the beans on much positive for commentary after another week like this you don't we hit them in the one thing that we gotta look at we we gotta go in puerto straight. Now is we are rate at technical support and that is holding the level were at for at least east corn and november emmer soya beans. Keep flirting with it but we are building above it. That's a good sign all in all day. Get through the tariff news everything out of the way we do have some brain spots coming at us not the big one that i'm looking at right now and it comes from an outside market is that dollar just dollar on five hundred seventy four points right now that seems negative but a weak dollar is supportive to u._s. Come on it is because it promotes exports exports and if you look at the week complex today he summer we'd up six sounds. We've been seeing strong exports of wheat. That's going to continue especially with that weaker dollar coming in you know we did have a setback today. The tariff news is all that matters through the weather throughout the trump tower numbers coming in the trade focused on them their numbers and that was it. We are looking at some long range weather forecast. It's gonna be cold extremely unseasonably cold in our the corn hornbill. That's gonna start to get a little bit more traction ear. I do believe it's not really gonna hurt the crap but what it's going to keep that crop maturing at a slow pace pace pretty soon. We're going to be up against them. First prostates and that's when the market is gonna start to react the best chance for recovery right now <hes> soybeans i. I think we do stabilized a little bit like it said that tariff news really got us to lost. We gotta get them taken care of get that flushed out of the system and then we'll turnaround earl censored agrivisor hi. This is sabrina hearty r._s._d. Business manager. I want to thank you. You are listening to the radio network the number one ad radio network in illinois. Did you know are the radio. 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The findings were sometimes difficult to read. It's hard to hear that the staff that you work with so closely didn't feel valued and respected back the way they show mike madigan has not directly blamed for the problems of harassment and bullying cited in the report but his former chief of staff who wielded enormous power in the state capital apple is criticized for cultivating a culture of fear well as you know. The culture of sexual harassment exists in springfield on both sides of the aisle. I i am counting on the speaker and the senate president and the minority leader of the house and the minority leader of the senate to carry out functions that will safeguard safeguard women. Anybody could be sexually harassed or attacked. Speaker dropped the ball with. I think it's it's clear that both sides of the aisle because you've you've heard this on on the other side of the in how he i think leadership in springfield everybody in springfield in a way <hes> we've let this culture go on to who i mean. I showed up seven months ago but this culture has been around for a long time governor jay pritzker responding to the findings of an audits of illinois the house speaker's office it discovered that harassment and bullying led to a culture of fear in that office the speaker michael madigan making the findings public. He was quick to point out changes. Is that have taken place what we take away from this and we'll talk about that and more coming up on state week in springfield. I'm shawn crawford and joined in studio by shirley wheeler you're a longtime journalist in statehouse observer and the outgoing director of the public affairs reporting program at the university of illinois springfield and joining us from chicago. We have w._b._z.'s oh you be easies. Political reporters dave mckinney and tony arnold and guys. It's good to have you on once again. Thanks you don't go to you first. Let's let's walk back act to win this. What we're calling an audit when this i actually <hes> got underway what led to this happening. What led to this happening was was <hes> several women started going public with accusations about whether individual lawmakers or just the overall culture <hes> at the illinois statehouse being ripe for <hes> this culture of sexual harassment or abuse or worse and bullying and then there are just these individual accusations that were made it began the first public airing of this after the the news articles about harvey weinstein came came out in the move metoo movement started going the first elected official to be accused was state senator ira silverstein who was accused by an advocate kid of inappropriate <hes> text messages and talking with an with an advocate of bill that he was carrying and it just kind of went from there into this realm of other other lawmakers have been accused all makers themselves have launched accusations and <hes> and then it kind of piqued when and the chief of staff of house speaker michael madigan was accused of bullying and then promptly fired and after that that's when this re madigan commissioned mission a report for the speaker's office with this law firm in chicago it took about fourteen months for this report to <hes> to come out out for this investigation to go go through the cost of at least six hundred and forty four thousand dollars that we know of so far to tax payers to come up with a report that that basically says there's been a there is a culture here in the speaker's office of bullying and then people didn't feel like they could come forward or talk even give their name without some kind of retribution <hes> as a result of of what they had to say dave. Let's talk about some of the specific findings in this <hes>. I don't know shocking is the right word but it certainly does show there was intimidation apparently going on in that office and some sexual harassment as well yeah. I mean for sure or it for all of us who've been at the capitol. I mean i remember i used to counsel students charlie's program at why would have an intern that that would come in <hes> you know be around for a year and you know i'd say you look. There are some lecherous people out there. Be on your toes. Don't don't just be careful and that's what this report really kind kind of verified in some ways. It was two pronged me. It talked about the sexual harassment piece of it. It talked about the bullying piece of it. You know on the sexual harassment part of it you know i think it kind of went into detail about how <hes> you know a lot of the women staffers. Would you know especially you know young ones. Maybe this will be their first job. They would they would. They would be worn borne by some of their colleagues. You know don't don't drink alcohol. If you go out. Don't go out late at night with legislators and lobbyists don't <hes> you know some of them went so far as wearing fake waiting rings to kind of show shoe some of these <hes> people away i mean there was one phrase that i remember the report that that that came out this week. You know a creepy creepy behavior. That's what a lot of these women staffers had work and live around and so you know i i read the thing and i just felt empathy empathy for a lot of these people especially young people because it's like you know these the i it could be the first job some of these people had they are interested in politics that they think they're going to change the world world and then it's like this this environment where you know it's kind of you know as the reports said creepy behavior and then on the bullying side with makes <hes> there were there were a lot of allegations that were laid out there about how how <hes> makes allegedly would would you you know tell people that they were dispensable. He would threaten in their jobs you know and and it was just you know people i think working under under in that environment felt on edge constantly. There was another piece of it as well that that some of the legislative assistance you know in addition to the the the normal duties you would expect someone to have in dealing with constituent complaints. It's and and various things like that. They would also have to take on duties like vacuuming the home of a legislator that was singled out in the report or or or running errands for legislators. Here's our or <hes> helping legislators sell their homes. I mean things that you know when we as taxpayers or are helping float this entire operation. You don't expect that's going the money's use force so that's the the overarching examples that i that stood out to me and the report. Tim matrix was the longtime chief of staff. He was is basically force. Doubts over after these allegations became public <hes> and he's been out of office now <hes> therefore <hes> several months tony he did respond to this audit audit <hes> kind of issued his own statement about the findings in that statement. This is really the most we've heard from him since he was fired <hes> a year ago a little over a year ago <hes> but he he basically did apologize and also but also kind of there's a lengthy statement and there was also also part in there about how some people might not he accepts the criticism but also those who offer the the the critics might not understand the full scope of of his his responsibilities. I think is how is how he framed. It basically saying he had so much to do that. That maybe maybe you know. It sounds like it sounds like there's so much responsibility. Critics wouldn't understand all that he had do and that's that's his point of view and he's been out of out of the house of representatives now for as chief of staff and also as executive director of this illinois democ- democratic party of illinois <hes>. I'm for the last year and two months now. I'd say shirley. Let me get your thoughts on this. You've <hes> certainly watch the culture at the state house for years and you know i hate to say it it but for all of us who've worked around it and seen it a lot of these things are not terribly surprising. Maybe when you see them all one report you realize just the magnitude of it but it's <hes>. I want to get your thoughts on on what you've heard so far yeah. I was not surprised i'll confess. I didn't read the whole thing that i've read all the newspaper stories and i was was not surprised that this kind of culture exists because back in my day <hes> it did it was kind of a good old boy type of network where guys would hit on women in a way that was not acceptable acceptable. It shouldn't have been acceptable then but it was kind of well. That's the way it goes. I remember walking in the tunnel between the state house and the stratton building behind a couple of women and children was saying senator so and so's really been giving me a rough time. She is different words but and the response was well yeah but you need that job ebb and that was the attitude was one kind of hilarious thing. We're one notorious lawmaker. <hes> was hitting on this young woman unbeknownst to him emmett. Was somebody else's wife. Some one of his colleagues wife and i had a situation dave mentioned alerting his students <hes> we did that with our students. All the time. I remember one occasion where a young woman came up one of my interns or one of my students interning and talked about a particular lawmaker who was giving a rough time and it was the democrat. I told steve brown madigan's guy that this is happening coming in after that <hes> the lawmaker never spoke to her again. I mean whatever's assuming was that brown told madigan or maybe brown himself went and told the guy to knock it off charlie that the stories like that they're they're everywhere. I am one of my interns. When your students that i had one year i remember you know she he was sitting in the house press box and and you know had been covering that day session and then she came back to me and she says she talked about how this legislator had come up behind her just sort of nestled up behind her and then slipped her a piece of paper and said if you ever get lonely call this number and i was just aghast. I'm like seriously this. This is not not this is not acceptable behavior you know and that that just really kind of sharpened my focus on this thing because it's you know that's not acceptable behavior in a workplace. Let me ask you this. Dave madigan has been known for years to be <hes>. You know attention to detail guy. He's in control. He knows what's going on things. It's like this occur and it seemed as though i don't wanna see that madigan was sort of given a pass on this but it did seem as though that in some ways <hes> michael madigan again was th- was secondary to people like to make in this report. I want to get your thoughts on that. Well i mean maybe tony is the better one to answer this because tony went to the effort of counting up the number references to madigan intimates and the chief of staff makes is mentioned twice as often as madigan throughout this report. This report is for all intents of purposes. It's it's a report about the chief of staff. Tim meets it's not madigan is in there but it's <hes> if you don't want to say i'm gonna pass that's fine. I'll say that madigan got a pass in this report and that's it would stand out because matt again at the end of the day. It's it's his. He's the speaker <hes> it's his. He's he's the one in charge and <hes> it kind of goes out the report. This audit goes out of its way to talk about how madigan <hes> is is basically not seen. He's it almost makes it sound like he's hands off to to so much that his own staff fears that they don't have of coming forward with any complaints because they don't think that madigan again we have their back because he doesn't know who they are because they never see him <hes> so to me read to me as as as giving madigan a pass for the culture in his own office reading the new stories <hes> one of the things that struck me several stories mentioned how some of the people who talked about the bullying culture nonetheless were supportive of madigan in his role and there was no allegation against madigan directly directly. I think it was just the we're talking about. It was under his watch. Is that what you're saying. Dave will know what i'm going to say. It was just the idea that that <hes> you know. I'm willing to give madigan credit it for you know initiating the study making it public i mean he he did something similar to this last year on his own where where there were there were details that he throughout the the talked about this kind of behavior <hes> internally but you know what it it just kept reading this thing and you know thinking about the famous amos harry truman statement. The buck stops here. You know we have this person who's a messed all this power and has this this <hes> unmatched career and yet this is <hes> this. This is a bit of a more than a bit. It's a blemish on that stewardship because ultimately he is the one that's in charge of this organization and it was up to him to make sure this kind of conduct. You know that it just flat out didn't happen now. You know there are other lots lots of other tentacles of state government that that have not undergone this level of scrutiny. You can start with the secretary of state's office for example. I mean that is a massive bureaucracy with offices in virtually every community in the state. You know let's see let's see if jesse white initiates something like this <hes> other branches of the or other parts of the legislature the state judiciary. I mean everybody everybody could could benefit probably from you know the the eye opening experience that we're all you know having now with this one report but i think it's it's not just isolated of the illinois house and surely you said this before but this is not necessarily. This is a bipartisan problem. It has been for a number of years at the capital so <hes> you know i'm not trying to just usc pick on madigan's office but you're right <hes> what what david said there this is this is a level of scrutiny. A lot of you know dirty laundry being aired at this point about what what has taken place there but but it probably is much more prevalent <hes> throughout state government and other places oh yeah i. I don't think there's anything about the house democratic caucus. Is that <hes> you know. They've all been infected with a virus of lecturers. That hasn't affected anybody else. There were a couple of republicans a republican legislator who resigned his seat because he was. I'd say foolishly would be charitably responded to some anonymous non well person asking him on. I think it was on facebook. Would you be my friend and i think he wound up sending her money. There was another one who resigned and is still awaiting trial on charges that he sent sexually explicit pictures of a former girlfriend and he communicated those the social media in those guys are republicans so as i said it's everywhere maybe part of a two is that makes had so many. He had three major roles either which would be a full-time job for anybody. He was a chief of staff which is a fulltime job. It was also house clerk overseeing. I don't know how big the operation is but it's dozens of people who work for the clerk's office. It's all the people who staff the committee's all all the people who do the behind the scenes paper pushing and he was also the executive security democratic party <hes>. That's an awful lot of responsibility suty for one single guy. Well let me ask about what has been done in the house tony or david if you could weigh in on this <hes> madigan made hey this clear and his statement that you know that they have put some out if you won't come call them safeguards or changes that have been put in place but <hes> does it seem as though they're on the right path to trying trying to resolve these issues well the report recommends that madigan not consolidate power under one person again like he did with makes for so long and <hes> it looks like madigan again has has begun that process <hes> and you know the report goes on to say maybe higher ethics officer do employee aleve valuations like what you might see in the corporate world <hes> things like that so <hes> some of that some of those recommendations. I think madigan's already started to do but let's let's also keep in mind here that it's not just on the in the speaker's office it's also in the political world as well <hes> in madigan's political operations right in our in the middle of a ongoing civil lawsuit somehow we've gone this conversation without talking about elena hampton and and her <hes> civil case against mattias mattias political operations for not properly handling her her complaints of harassment from <hes> a colleague who happened to be the brother of of chicago aldermen and madigan's <hes> homeward in chicago i mean i think this is going to be one of those. Things you not to use that. Angel cliche. Time will tell but i can think back over the years like with madigan where you know. He wasn't particularly interested in a lot of people looking into his business. I mean and i the one example i can think of that's clear as day is the legislative inspector general i mean this is a this was an entity that that you know he helped create but in a lotta ways it was sort of a toothless tiger and there were a number of years that it went the job just sat vacant and and so you know we see there where they're supposed to be an ethics watchdog kind of patrolling the halls of of the illinois legislature and there wasn't a great deal of interest in having a a a very strong person or even a person at all in that seat so within this organization <hes> will people's complaints be taken seriously in in. Is there a clear pathway to make a complaint. That's what what needs to happen here. And these people you have to understand a lot of them are being paid thirty forty fifty two thousand dollars a year and that's a lot of money to some of these people and there's a great power imbalance where single legislator who says a bad word about one of these people can can re- you know lead to their ouster and so that that power imbalance is always going to be there but what what really is important is that there is a pathway that these complaints get taken seriously your sleep and adjudicated. I think you hit on the head. When you said time will tell so. We will part of it. Too is is just the the overall mentality 'cause i'm of michael. Madigan's generation a couple months older than he was. I was born in november. He was born in april hit. The i i was the pre pearl harbor baby but growing up the kind of things that were accepted in terms of how you related to women how how you related to people of color are kind of things that looking back would be outrageous today and should outrageous then but there was kind of expectation that well you're a guy in of course you're going to hit on women of course you're gonna say these suggestive things. You don't really mean anything without ever taking account. How does the woman feel when she here's this trying to put yourself in her shoes. What discomfort in my causing her and you ever thought about that stuff. I think thankfully now we're starting and you look that approach. You don't just blurt out anything you think. How is this going to affect the person to whom i'm addressing it and i think even as members of the media we have seen it and probably not reported on it it as much as we should have in the past so again. This is something we'll continue to watch. I do want to move on with the last few minutes. We have left here though we did have another issue that had cropped up over the weekend again last weekend <hes> and actually was making quite a bit of headlines until the madigan audit reports was released but this involved a state senator martin sandoval he was holding holding a fundraiser and video from that fundraiser surfaced in which it showed somebody a doing a mock assassination. I guess you would call it. If president trump dave this was this. I've got a lot of attention <hes> not just here but across the country and <hes> <hes> what do we know about this. I know that the senator has apologize yeah. I mean this. Is you say it went viral and i mean this is a story that our colleague mark maxwell broke that you know it was a it was a big party and annual fundraiser for santa all in the in the suburbs and you know there were these characters. There's that were wearing these. <hes> you know the <hes> lookalike masks and trump was one of them and and this th there's a picture of someone using a like a drink drink dispenser that looked like a gun and and the person who's wearing the trump mask you know the guns pointing at him that trump person is putting his hand over his one inside of his chest and and so that's what what we see and you know and it's just a <hes>. I think it's one of those things that that blew up unexpectedly because these guys were horsing around but it's a serious thing in the client in this climate were dealing with where <hes> you know. The level of civil discourse is just kind of in ruin and a a lot of places and this just doesn't help things and and so it was an embarrassment for san of all what what we don't know is the you know neither the senator senator. Certainly you know who this person is. I would think but has not chosen to identify them. <hes> you know there. There have been leads all week that that many of us have been pursuing about you. You know the person being you know. Possibly a realtor appeared in chicago and <hes>. What have you but i do know for a fact that the secret service was aware of this. Yes and you know what they're doing with it. I don't know but you know they looked at it as sort of a serious issue enough that it caught their attention and if i'm the guy that you know either of these people people who was screwing around that day i don't think you necessarily want to go out and attract the attention of the secret service but that's what they did in this follows of course on the heels of some other social show media posts from political organizations in the state that have been called into question so it just <hes> we devolve a little bit more. It seems like each week before we run out of time so i want it since i have both of you fellas on <hes> and you follow what's going on in chicago as well. <hes> chicago's mayor lory lightfoot has mentioned she wants some things from state lawmakers and tony <hes> she has some specific. I guess you would call them asks of the legislature <hes> explain what she's looking at well. She's she's about to give she's <hes>. She's on the heels of about two to give a major budget address. It's detailing how awful the city's finances are. There's there's there's a giant budget gap that she's going to to address and give some details on explained fully basically how she intends to fill this gap and it's gonna she's gonna rely heavily on springfield to fill that gap <hes> she's currently weighing whether whether or how much to increase property taxes in the city is one thing but as far as what she needs from springfield he's floating these ideas such as <hes> taxing high end services like accounting or legal legal work <hes> big law firms big accounting firms that kind of thing also transfer tax on the selling of million dollar homes <hes> <hes> so she's she's going after some of those industries that are affected <hes> rich people in addition to the fact that she's she's going around saying that this the the gambling expansion bill that passed springfield and assigned by pritzker just doesn't work for the casino industry for the chicago casino. She's basically saying no. No casino operator is going to make enough money to make it worth their time so she must've propose a fix for that so that the chicago can get going <hes> and the city can get is money off of that and i did see <hes> both the senate democratic spokesperson. John patterson also saw <hes> the majority leader in the house. Greg harris had both gun indicated indicated. These are heavy lifts for the legislature so there's not necessarily a guarantee that everything she wants is going to get through that right dave. Oh yeah i mean we're talking about six days as an october november and that's a lot of not not a lot of time to you know take on a lot of controversial issues and i mean there's always you know geopolitical divide in illinois that we face face chicago wants something. What about everybody else and that that's that's the problem that then mayor lightfoot is going to have to confront here if she's going to try to get this thing through in the fall charlie charlie. She's got political capital though at this point so maybe she's trained to use it while she has it yet and i would hope that she's also got the political smarts that she's not gonna wait to start putting this together until like dave said the the next to last week in october. I think it is the last week in october but she's going to be working on it right now going along so that there's a deal is pretty well set so that when they come back for those six days they'll have something ready to go oh just because if she if she waits until the session starts right done just a little over a minute or so to go but tony can you fill us in we're hearing bring a rumblings at this point that we may not have heard the last of the former congressman joe walsh from illinois. <hes> might be considering a presidential primary run against president president donald trump running as a republican and this is a former congressman from chicago suburbs who now has an overnight radio show. That's that syndicated across the country. <hes> you know he's on twitter he. He's he's defended the use of the n. word before he's talked about grabbing your musket in going into war. If hillary clinton had won in twenty sixteen he was trump defender who now is the trump opponent to the point that he's floating the idea of running for president. He actually did the same thing against against bruce rounder <hes> in rounders reelection bid. He thought maybe he would run for governor. Ended up going to then state representative genie i've so he's just kind of doing the the same thing that he did to rounder now to to donald trump and we'll see if he actually gets any kind of support or signatures or whatever operation he needs to get into effect actually actually actually get some kind of operation going in iowa new hampshire and those early primary states. I mean what's striking. Is that this is. It doesn't seem as if president trump is too worried about him because now now you know since since all of this scuttle bug about wash emerging i mean we haven't seen a single presidential tweet belittling joe walsh giving him a nickname or anything so he doesn't seem to it'd be on trump's radar. Let's go to our notes from the field and charlie. Let's go to one of the bills that the governor signed and he's been very busy. Signing bills only got <hes> well. I think roughly a week to finish with some six hundred bills at the legislature sent him was one that <hes> increases that a minimum wage page for teachers and it's designed to deal with a teacher shortage by making sure that teachers get paid higher salaries the last time the minimum wage for teachers was raised was in one thousand nine hundred eighty and it was raised to ten thousand dollars a year so under this new measure over the course of the the next several years it would go up to forty thousand by the twenty twenty three twenty twenty four school year in the idea as i say is to try to attract more the people into the profession now the downside which we've been hearing particularly from some downstate in rural school superintendents is that we can't afford this. We're going to have to raise property taxes. Although i think governor pritzker signing this mentioned how the state has been putting more money into education the less several years and i guess he intends to keep going forward with it so baby. The notion is that these higher salaries will be covered by this additional state aid. We'll do it for this week. State week. Members of our broadcast included shirley wheeler as well as dave mckinney and tony arnold from w._b._z. in chicago. Get a podcast of our show at n._p._r. Illinois dot org production assistance for the program provided by bob meyer. I'm shawn crawford. You've been listening to state week. A program of commentary and analysis of events in illinois state politics and government state week is produced produced in the state capital by public radio station n._p._r. Illinois this is v._r. Illinois public radio cancer is is the number one cause of death by disease for children in the u._s. 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There's more to craft ride part priced right learn more about motor craft loaded struts and other high quality vehicles pacific parts at motor craft dot com. You're listening to bobby like his car clinic and now back to body and your host bobby likes and good mortar folks welcome to this edition of bobby like his car clinic <hes> beautiful day hot. I mean like ninety. You and i walked out. I got mugged when i walked out of the house on got mugged and i'm driving a rental car. I'll take that back. I'm driving a ritual s._u._v. It's huge. It is huge in folks. You know have a porsche and then my wife drive the smart car which is a small car. Which is the latest the latest edition of two thousand sixteen. It's a bad car. It is a i can tell you for whatever you think about smart cars. If you drove her car you would change the why you felt about the automobile why it has a dual clutch transmission for one thing and that was a funky est things about that cars when they came out with those cars was a transmission commission a transmission in a regular smart car. I'm talking about in two thousand eight through two thousand fifty well through two thousand seventeen gene but in fifteen sixteen seventeen they changed the car and they they added the option yeah for nine hundred ninety dollars of the option of a dual clutch transmission mission and a dual clutch transmission shifts get this and the new twenty twenty mustang which i just read the stats on and i really impressed with and i've never been a mustang count of a guy. I mean you know you mustang owners. He's seen one you seen them all. I mean literally now. It's really there. There are some really cool things one that runs around our neighborhood. I'll say our neighborhood. I see it going up and down. The davis highway in front of my facility is a the white one. I think it belongs to someone in the navy naval air station which is here in pensacola florida view who are tuned in cross. The nation are naval aviation the museum at n._a._s._a. Naval air station pensacola is the second largest in the world and it is drop dead gorgeous and you know if anyone's in the military and they f- florida plane they've come through pensacola florida at n._a._s. It's a huge part of our community and <hes> we're proud really proud to be associated and have of the all of the the great officers and an enlisted men right here in in our and women in our community and and to that end there's a one what enlisted fellow that has a white enlisted or not but it doesn't matter <hes> in a white mustang with blue stripes on it and it keeps it meticulously really it's just really beautiful and it doesn't have that it doesn't have any you really wide while while wheels or or or spoilers lers or any of those things that that we all do to our cars to make to personalize the car but he has a personalized but it it it would great taste one of these days. I'm gonna pull him over wave at him and stop. I don't know if you've ever done that. I mean i pull up to the traffic light. I mean how many times think about it. Let's say you drew out an old classic car and i i have one of course a porsche and you've got a car and somebody pulls up today and said hey that is a beautiful fifty five chevy your whatever if you ever want to sell that car let me know so if you ever decide you want to sell the car until you you happen to see the person on the street and you you say hey i decide to sell my car. He called the bluff. I don't think i've ever seen anybody that would say okay. Yeah i really might today but what it's a great way to complement and another person if you like their automobiles and that's what bobby like his carpeting is all about not not just classic cars and liking automobiles but it's about automobiles. We'll build obviously obviously but my goal and the reason that i'm here and not sleeping in this morning i mean it is saturday right for twenty eight years every saturday or here i am <hes> so i really enjoy <hes> bringing to you information and about automobiles it but mainly mainly not fix. Your car is upset thousands of times. I can't do that over the over the air although we've. We've certainly done that from time to time but i am. I'm here to give you buzzwords so that when you go into a service shop you know the right questions to ask and that's what's important like going to a doctor immediately eighty leave there. Oh i wish i ask him. You know hurt until but but i can help you there. <hes> we'll take a call from missouri and then hangup is <hes> is here today and we'll as a as she is every saturday <hes> doing a great job triple eight car. Clinic is a number which happened to be our number which happens to be the toll free number triple triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six. Write it down. Write it down so that a little later in the program. I'll get around to call no no and then we have about four fabrio. We have like what's the last eight minutes of the program of each hour is helter skelter when you try got a crash all the calls in so and that's because a lot of folks like you though do you listening so i've never called it on. I don't want to talk to tamale on the air. Well then forget the airport. We're just a conversation you just you and me and then it really seriously oh okay. There are thousands of people to them. It doesn't matter you know what they all drive cars too so when you have a question about your car that i can help you with while i'm helping you. I'm helping thousands of others which similar problems you get it. It really does work. It's worked for twenty eight years and i see i doubt in the work for another twenty eight years because if i if if that were the case i would live to be old. I would live to be old. Ooh and i don't know what it feels like to be old and i don't know what old is. I know what all was when i was thirty twenty. Oh was fifty i never i thought i'd lived to be fifty fabio. How old are you twenty nine. Twenty nine did also does fifty sound to you. How old are your parents in their fifties enter fifties. I mean this is really funny. So you know so. I could be your parents parrot. We should change the subject not doesn't matter triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six. We'll go to tracy who has in ninety two toyota wagon so there was a gentleman that lived in gulf breeze and i forget his name now which i hadn't because i've seen his daughter out out every other five years and he's passed but he had a toyota and he called tau ota. I'm in a cozy. He call all he came into the shop. On this years ago twenty five years ago i guess and i've been in the business forty eight years and he came out. I've got a bobby got touted at home and after about three four minutes talking with him. I finally had to say well. What what what series is. Your is your car because i didn't know what he's talking about. He called his toyota todd or something like that. He had his own his own little quirks and i made fun of it and we you know why not i mean it's not tiled is like hunt. You know what i say. Hyundai is like sunday. We did a show one day on that. I need to go and take this call triple eight. I'll take your call all triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six tracy. Thanks for holding while i was you know doing whatever it is that i do saturdays. Thank you for holding welcome to bobby like as carcinogenic clinic. Oh thank you so much for taking my call sure. We're gonna move forward well again. It's a ninety two toyota wagon and originally i had <hes> some contamination in the brake system and i've pretty much replaced <hes> everything and right now. I'm having problems with the front brakes. <hes> either dragging are almost locking up overheating the throat. The justed adjusted the <hes> master cylinder ran okay for two or three days and now it's back to the same okay every <hes> <hes> and and that's the happens and gosh when it does happen that being the contamination that contamination means when you put a petroleum product in the matter in the brake system and and instead of brake fluid because brake fluid is hygroscopic topic which means that it mix it with water it it actually attracts moisture but and that's okay. That's the reason we flush rush systems every two years to get rid of the moisture. The moisture causes <hes> corrosion buildup but on the other side of that coin when a petroleum petroleum product is accidentally added to the system every rubber product in that system every seal l. swells and what happens and think about have you ever <hes> racine. You've been the hospital and watch them to draw blood or insert i._v. Or or a shot a flu shot or something right. Okay okay well. That's how oh you brakes work because in a syringe that we use to inject liquid medicine in our bodies. There's a plunger and seal. We'll all ring seal and in your brake system. That's exactly how it works. The master cylinder has a plunger with the with two seals. It has a plunger that has a double seal in one seal pushes fluid to the rear end the other c._e._o. Pushes fluid to the to the front that way. If you lost the front brakes had you'd still have the rear so safety aspects and manufacture did it for a long time so what has happened. Is that whatever you put in. There contaminated the system and swelled the seals so now when when you a- and i'm i'm thinking about a break right now because we have a hard break coming up so <hes> tracy you stay there. It was like transmission foothill yeah right right petroleum because i didn't do it so you will. You stay right there. Madera is when i come back. I'll give you the rest of the the story because this is a really important for everyone would regard to the type of fluid knock to put in your brake system. They'll go. I'll be back entertainment systems backup. Cameras amer starr stopped technology just a few of the electric man. We put on today's cars a._g._m. Or absorbent glass mat batteries are up to the challenge there precision engineered to offer ultimate combination of power our ability and reliability what affects battery performance harsh climates frequent stopping rush hour traffic had aggressive driving all wear your battery with its compressed sell designing glass mat separators a._g._m. 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Away chevy equinox rolled into the shop this week with a whopping three hundred and fifteen thousand miles the vehicles desperately need an oil change it was loaded with luggage in gear and the parents were taking in order to school college almost head to be put on hold though the radiator developed a small league that required immediate repair time was definitely not on our side has classes story the next day so we decided to use case seal casey. Il is a poor in solution designed to stop leaks and help prevent future leaks older sealers you sodium liam silicate which has the tendency to clog the system casey. Oh features ceramic technology. That's designed to repair the leak without clogging. We let the vehicle cool for the model title of casey cooling system topped off the antifreeze coolant and installed a new pressure cab happy to report the league was gone and our young friend did not miss a class. Ask casey at fine retailers everywhere like o'reilly auto parts. Don't just seal it case. You're listening into bobby like his car clinic and now back to body like conclave and your host bob and welcome back to the segment of bobby like his car clinic. <hes> your calls important that we communicate and i can help you. You know and i don't have my hand in your pocket. I mean i do promote products that we use in our shop. Show whenever you hear me talk about a product and it may be a sponsor a partner or not but just know that i've been tested that product and i use that product service shop so when you hear what i say on the air you can take it to the bank and and that's what's really important triple eight cartoon triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six talking with tracy tracy. I have a question for you after you. After it was discovered that the system had been contaminated has every component been replaced and when i say component i'm talking about <hes> the rear calipers are cylinders elders. The front calipers the brake hoses and the master cylinder and i'm afraid you don't have to replace a._b._s. Unit too so how what i units have been replaced since contamination occurred everything except the a._b._s. unit and the rear calipers all the hoses and the <hes> proportioning valve master cylinder as far as i know not the roeder's well i'm we only we only want to address the what's what has has rubber in it and then rubber would be seals and the a._b._s. unit has seals <hes> the <hes> <hes> well well the whole system really the hoses and the calipers and the and all of the seals inside so if if you get if you still have and you do that's why you call if you still have <hes> break and let's go back to the root of the problem you stated early on in addition to the contamination of the brake fluid that the front brakes were dragging that correct yes okay and how do you know that because the heat well it melted off both of my hubcaps at first and then after the adjustments i've been able to drive it some but it's still locks up brooke and drive it in reverse the other day but not forward cooled down. Well well well well. You still have a component that has not been replaced aced and you're going to have to replace it every component on it and trace it. Let me give you a brief of how it works and so that you'll know how to test it if if if when when you press on the brake pedal you it's just like pressing the syringe to put the medic medicine in your arm. You're pushing a piston that pushes fluid out right when you let all and so that the fact that fluid goes all the brakes front career through the a._b._s. and and all the systems and uses the force of about which you exert on the pedal when when you let off the pedal there no return springs there is on the brake pedal but the rest of the system doesn't use return springs. No that's not true for drum brakes. Let's forget about drum brakes. Let's just talk about the the front disc brakes those <hes> those pistons sons inside the caliber don't have any method to return and pull them back away from the rotor however so so they ride directly directly on the rotor full-time but because there's no pressure there just touching the rotor but not really stopping the rotor now now the nascar guys go step further to make sure that there's no drag whatsoever before they go out to <hes> lap brought to to to qualify lap they will take a tool and pushed the brake pads away from the rotor tiller so they're not even touching. They're just kind of loosen in trapped in within their fixture and that way they know there's zero drag into because any car are you that has disgraced if jack it up and spun the front wheel with your hand and not front wheel drive. I'm telling motto rear-drive car where you have nothing to keep khalil's from turning just on a bearing so if you spend the front wheel of a car with disc brakes it will term it won't spend freely because the patra touching and so if you had a way to pull those back now <hes> g._m. Uses square o-rings in there well. I don't know other companies as well but g._m. On the first you come out with square rings seals in the caliber so that the the pressure would push the seal up in contorts the seal because it's square and then when you let off the break the seal ever so slightly would try to straighten back out because it was being pushed sideways because it was square not not being not cirque perfect circle and that that allowed better gas mileage. That's what that was four to try to pull that caliber net pad back ever so slightly and ever so slightly would be the thickness of ah two newspapers at four thousands 'cause i if a bullet goes my your head and it and it measured by four thousand it doesn't hurt you. I mean four thousand is this is a blessing if you stop if someone if you if you crash his car and you and you stop your i mean you kissed the car but you didn't touch it. You you know what i'm saying. So in your case you have a fluid that you press the brake pedal through the master cylinder that that is being forced out. Unfortunately it can't get back because the rubber is swelled by the petroleum product and doesn't fit within its piston and the caliber and you're forcing it out but you don't have any process. The car has no process which the push it back back show if you here's what here's how you diagnose you not you but here's how you have a shop diagnose you you make the car lockup which you can do by driving the car okay and then you go to the wheel that you knows locking up which would be the front wheel bill and you lucien the brake line will now. It doesn't make any difference if there's any seals because you've opened the system you cut an artery and so whatever pressure is there to hold the brake pad. It's it's relieved so you you cut the bright line or illusion a bright line at the caliber and if there's fluid comes out you know that that that whatever's on the other side of that that is causing the problem but if you lose if you loosen the bright line and there's no pressure but you still can't turn wheel you know what's the caliber because there's no influence from the pressure because you've got you've got disconnected. You understand what i'm trying to say. They're hope oh okay all right so so you know so. It's just like washing your car in the driveway and you turn the hose on when you've got you know a a spray nozzle and then your then you let off right now well you couldn't disconnect the pipe from the house even if you turn the spigot off at the house because there's pressure in the hose so you have to have to turn the water off then press the hose lotto pressure bleed off and then you can disconnected from the house otherwise you get water in your face and i've go don't you you were saying out with this test. After you make the brakes lock up then you <hes> <hes> loosen the brake line at the caliber <hes> and you should hear a relief well i if well i if if yes you will if the brake problem is on the driver's side if its own the hose or the booster booster not booster or the a._b._s. are the master cylinder if it's upstream but if but if the piston is sticking in the bore and you loosen the break. I'm glad you're with me and you loosen the bright line. You've taken away all the pressure that is forcing to break piston the caliber pistol out and if you can't turn the wheel you know it's inside. The caliber literally disconnected padraic pressure from the car. You got me now. You have to try to turn steering wheel. No no i'm sorry the tire. I'm glad you asked the touchdown in other words. We're we're gonna. We're gonna cause a problem. We know that the front wheel is sticking so then we pull it into a garage jacquard up we try to spend the front wheel will and won't wanna spend it will you can force it but that's why it's getting hot because it's dragging show if we disconnected that caliber from the hose and a wheel freed up we would know that the problem was on the hose side and the hose a car side but if we disconnected the ho's who's and the wheel still would not turn that we know within the caliber and the caliber has to be replaced. You're not me okay so stanitsa caliber. Yes if if it won't spin and you've got the host disconnected from the caliber it is a calico caused the caliber doesn't have the ability to apply pressure unless you've got influence from the driver but you got it then you have the driver disconnected because it because you have that hose disconnected and if if that wheel of steel locked up it's gotta be the wheel. The wheel doesn't even know what's on the car nail. You got me yes and that cast a work on both sides because it felt side well. They're locking up well. It will work on both sides but you don't care because all you care about is just pick the one that's the hottest it's hard to turn and disconnect that line and th- and then we'll still hard to turn you know it's the caliber but i thought you said you'd replace the caliber. They were supposed to have been well. I don't understand supposed to have been. Don't you have a receipt for what was put on. The car is i've had it to four different own different. Oh okay gosh. I wish i could send you. I wish i guess i wish i could send you in missouri argue. Well i'll tell you. I wish i could send you a magic switch but here here's what what what what to do you you. Four shops really really. This is common. I mean you know shop on extend individual but okay well all right so so here's here's what i want you to do. I want you to which of the three shops that you've been to to. <hes> seems to be the easiest and best to work with the that the helps you to help you got one that does help me but your expertise is. Maybe what they're needing. Maybe they just start missing something. I believe shop okay so here's what then you're going to teach. This shop shop and this is going to be fun for you. Because what i'm telling you is a physical fact. You're going to teach that shop what they don't know so you're gonna call them and tell them to do that that you are set up an appointment that w- and tell them you're going to drive your car until the brakes lockup. You're going to bring and you want them to be immediately ready. Immediately ready to jack the car up and and cut to hose are disconnect the hose or unscrew it. I don't care you do that okay. Thanks for calling in the best of luck calling me back. If you need me folks amber. Malcolm is a star with racing wives and well. She's on the phone when i come back here really great about nascar. A two thousand fifteen four escape recently came into the shop one hundred twenty twenty thousand miles and going strong but it was starting to hesitate and the customer also complained of declining fuel economy. This two liter turbocharged engine is g._d._i. Or gas ask direct injection and special maintenance is needed in certain areas particularly the fuel system. We suspected carbon build up and sure enough using a borsch go through the smart doc plughole. There was definite evidence of carbon buildup g._d._i. Engines are different in the way they inject fuel and it can create some issues would repair and maintenance. That's why it's important to use products rated for v._d._i. Like barry months forced up professional air and fuel management and maintenance kit. Each step of the process is designed who g._d. Engines engines in mind. We use the kit and after two weeks on the road the cars performing noticeably better and mpg has improved bit learn more about very much four step professional national air and fuel management maintenance kit and other great products at berryman products dot com. You're listening to bobby like his car clinic and now back to bobby cochran and your host bobby likes and welcome welcome back to finish. We'll take your car questions soon so call triple eight car clinic on the car clinic hotline with now's amer balcon the fast and furious new girl in the racing world and aspiring nascar driver ambers one of the stars of c._m._t.'s new series racing wives racing wives this follows the lives of nascar's most prominent wives and women the new series follows the personal and professional lives of driver amber malkin samantha bush bush ashley bush whitney ward dylan and others in the lake norman area of north carolina where the who's who of star car racing lille's racing using wives offers a glimpse into the sport watched by millions each week but focuses own relatable issues such as family friendship careers and work balance. What's amber. Malcolm is from winnipeg canada. She started racing folks. When she was ten years old mostly on dirt track she joined the cast of racing wives lives as an opportunity to share her story. She doesn't come from money and she is a canadian woman. In a very american male centric sport through hard work and dedication asian she hoped to fulfill her dream of becoming a professional nascar driver and with it amber welcome you to bobby like his car clinic he hey buddy cianci show. You're welcome on excited to have you as a guest auto racing's pretty much in your blood share with our car clinic listeners and viewers your family's history degree in the sport and when you knew you wanted to be a part of it absolutely i grew up in dirt track racing my grandfather race sprint cars. My dad's instill racist to this day hearing since dirt late model uncle ray's my cousins race and i grew up at the race track of my parents met at the racetrack. I was at the track since i've been in my mom's belly so it really is in my blood and it's all i know the more that i was at the track them when i got to see everything of it the more i wanted to raise though at ten years old i after years of begging my dad finally said okay. If you wanna do this then you gotta do it on your own and that means working on the car yourself. I've been buying it too so <hes> definitely didn't have the easy route but it's been great because it's taught me a lot of skills and <hes> things that i would have never no-one otherwise so started in go. Karts needs to mini sprints than four tenths sprint cars on dirt and a few years ago transition to the pavement world. They're letting the well so amber. You're a canadian woman breaking into a very american and very male dominated sport. How's how's that experience been for you. So far definitely have had to overcome a lot of adversity. Being canadian in a male dominated american floridian female in a male dominated support. You know i had to get a visa be able to come to the u._s. To pursue my dream job as far as being a female i've always been female and so i don't really know anything different friends <hes> for me when i put that helmet on the car doesn't know my gender and i i'm a driver. That's it and i want to win as bad as the other drivers do the i'm just as aggressive with the driver driver. The car doesn't know gender and i just want to win or anything. That's a perfect mindset. You said that your goal oh it's too dry for kyle busch motorsports so tell our listeners viewers where you stand in reaching that goal you think you're going to be joining the cow busch motor sports firmly so the show actually goes into our story of samantha and i looking for sponsors to raise for kyle busch motorsports. Obviously you have to talk to college. If i'm a good fit for at he expects very very talented racecar drivers and <hes> he's not gonna let me in the car unless he talents blah so we'll see that in the show and whether i reached for the manatt you'll have to watch out folks. Were talking with amber balcon. One of the stars of racing wives so amber now. You're a part of the new show. Racing wives owns e._m._t. Fill our carpet listeners and viewers in win racing wives tares and then what made you want to be part of this show racing wives airs every day at ten nine central on mt and what really need evening wants to be a part of the show is because i thought it was such a great platform to me to get to share my story of what it takes to car driver and the different adversities and struggles that one on how to go through you know with ray things people think of you win races even get to the cup series when in actuality it's not the case that it's a very financially financially driven sport and so i need that financial backing and the help of on to be able to move on to the next level showing the different struggles and <hes> hopefully leave the exposure and being on a different platform will help attract sponsors and how the track to other companies to one partner with me and help me move up the ranks of nascar. Well no doubt you have a passion for your sport and <hes> you certainly sound like you have the ability now that you've had a taste of reality tv. How has that experience been for you. It's definitely taught me a lot. That's for sure it teaches you tough skin. You know there's a lotta is on you for people to judge and have opinions of you and for me. It's it's really just knowing myself and thinking to myself and being authentic and <hes> i came down here to drive cars and that's always been my focus and we'll always alex though i think as i say on track and they in my lane and continue to work hard than everything else hopefully will fall into place. Will i want the first to congratulate you on breaking through the crowd and and and i mean that literally and i wanna thank you for joining us on bobby like his car getting infosys amber balcony elkin. You'll be hearing more about this young lady. One of the stars of racing wives amber. Thank you so much good luck. You know break a leg as they say but of course outrun outrun everybody else it'd be the first of the finish line amer balcon star of racing wives. Thanks again for joining us on bobby like his car clinic today. Thank bobby appreciate having the yeah unless you break leg folks. She'll say yeah like us. I talked to carpet and he said breaking leg so i broke me now now. Let me tell you in this really interesting and i don't know if you were watching for those of you in watch bobby live <hes> but <hes> we we had some trump's e._m._t. We had <hes> a some b. Roll <hes> from the the show you know like a like a little quick <hes> overview of of the new program and she doesn't she looks like a model. <hes> i think <hes> t to me fabio and you folks at watch bobby live <hes> the bottom line is i think it's a great idea racing wives and and of course she she's one of the stars and she's a loves racing jumped from a racing family. I'm not going to be really interesting to see <hes> how the show does and how <hes> she does. That's premier network and and john is our contact there and occasionally he'll call and say you know i have someone who would like to call in show and and to get recognition and of course to try to promote that series and i don't think it needs much promotion because it's going to be really really interesting to see how that pans out. I said earlier oh and a- and i'm i'm sorry tripoli car clinic. Hannah will take your calls at triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six bobby like his car clinic is brought brought to you impart today by the car care council our partners. It's back to school time. Yes really the perfect opportunity for drivers to make sure sure the vehicles are safe and road ready and here's what you do you visit car care dot org for a number of fantastic tools tools including tips and starve schedules and videos and more go to car care dot org and you'll see what you should be doing to make sure that your car's kids safe in rhode riddy. That's pretty cool. Kid safe road ready it is is there such thing as kids safe. Well depending fabrio how you look at that what does get saved car care guys. You know kids safe what it means to say for the kids but another meeting the car say from the kids. Oh gosh so that's right. Hey i have broken a lot of cars cars in my life and i'm not talking about professional career of repairing a love broker my share there as well but i've broken a lot of racing engines in the <hes> in the seventies we ran a rear engine dragster and i built a half stroke or him before twenty six and had five hundred cubic inches inches and i built that same iteration <hes> with modifications of course forty times over a period of <hes> <hes> <music> i'd say three years forty different iterations and of course that's what happens when you're trying to push an engine to the limit and then whatever the weakest part is weakest link breaks and speaking of the weakest link remember the the head of television show the weakest link. I never did like that program. The host is the one. I never did care for yeah. Well you laugh so obviously yeah who was that you remember her name goodbye. She said what the weakest link goodbye yeah. We'll read by okay so so we'll we'll. We'll never say that to a car. Goodbye we have had we have had callers call in yeah well of malia my car's doing yada yada yada and so far put a sensor and a and a a a three monte gasket and a p._c. Hose and new plugs logs or what have you and i still got the problem is what sound like west annoys rear end. Excuse me you've been under the hood in the noises in the differential well yeah but i just thought i start. I start there okay so i'm i'm having fun here but that's that's not too far from just like just like the the the tracey called with had the the petroleum product that was added her first mistake with whoever put that fluid in there and and then if you say she had four shops four shops would no no i went to an independent of friend i probably her friend who put the petroleum and just for for you know folks brake fluid will not work injured oil petroleum no nothing with petroleum products which will work in a brake system because the it will swell the rubber and to that end now very interesting here. You've heard me and other companies basov. Stop leak non-nato case. He'll hear radiate. I'm talking about <hes> transmission. Stop leak and and those sorts of things and there there are transmission transmission. Stop leaks on the market and how do they work. They work the same way. They work the same way that petroleum. I am works in a brake system that swells the rubber. The problem is if you could add a two milliliters <music> of oil to the brake system. Take back never do that. Okay if you if you knew how how much in a transmission seal it was leaking or an engine seal that that was leaking and you knew just how much swelling product doc chemical you could add to swell the sealed without going too far then you can have a stop leak and that's what that's the chemical that is in engine oil. Stop leaks and let me tell you what it is. It's called napa thick oil napa. Thick nepotistic is naphtha. What snap it's a solvent show. If you took a rubber ring that was the size of a quarter and the coil oil of the ring was one hundred thousand say in one hundred thousands is sixty. Thousands is about the size of number two pencil the okay that the lead bad so you got a rubber ring like a rubber band. That's what draws transmissions rubber bands literally rings so if you drop that ring into napa napa let us sit overnight tomorrow. It'd be blown up the i don't mean blown up like explosion. It would be swollen and it would grow twice its size. It still be the size of a quarter except that the <hes> the number two pencil sides now would be the size of a an ink pen. <hes> you know the filler of an ink pen you see the <hes> the picture i'm trying to paint so so if you knew do and this is where the trick comes in for those companies make stop leaks for transmissions. If you knew how much to add then you could do a partial spread or a partial swell of the seals. That's how this stuff works. So usual is is that is that good long-term <hes> what usually usually those products are used on cars that aren't worth what the the price of the repair would be. I mean you've got a car this two hundred fifty thousand miles and it's fifteen years old and and it's it's used up. You've driven the new off the automobile and it's got a transmission leak on. Unfortunately it's the front seal of the transmission which means you gotta. Pull the transmission show when you pull the transmission pull the front pop and i mean there's now how far do you go and and <hes> and then in the process of the shop removing moving transmission they're gonna find other weak points like the mount because it's going to be worn out as well because cars hold an engine mounts are are short-lived short-lived anyway because they're isolators rubber isolators otherwise you you would feel a gritty vibration in your in your car. In fact today's engine mounts have jelly 'em or a thick gooey molasses type their rubber but they have this jelly and that access the shock absorber so it's like a little lily pad floats within the engine so the engine can shake much won't and you say oh. This is really a smooth of car you get an alexis and you say wow. You can't even feel as engine running yeah that's because it used jail field. <hes> motor mounts anyway so back to the ethnic oil the nepotistic. The naphtha will swell the seal just enough to help. Stop the leak and you can. I used that on a car though that those stop leaks on cars that aren't worth the price repair and to that end. That's a product that <hes> with regard lard nothing do with transmissions cooling system the case seal product that we talk about that i endorse does have within it a ceramic and it doesn't swell and he seals it uses a ceramic product that restricts the flow of out the whole whatever that whole is whether it's in the head it gets a block or or a radiator and that case he'll specifically designed so that when it reaches temperature and it sees the difference princeton temperature it clogs that whole but it's so in the engine it flows freely when there's a problem with leak it seals the league. It's really white coat this case. He'll d could find that moore k._t._e._l. Dot com another hour coming up. I'll be ready to share more information. Don't always is bobby like us. 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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein. More than sixty cases of the new corona virus are now being reported in the US and new infections by community transmission have been diagnosed in California Oregon and Washington State. Meanwhile China says its manufacturing activity plummeted this month. Npr's Emily Chang reports. It's a sign of just. How big an economic impact. The CONAN CORONA virus outbreak is having China's purchasing managers index or PM. I is compiled by the state. Statistics Agency and an industry body in measures overlook across China's manufacturing and service sectors today new data shows. Pmi dropping from January's fifty points to thirty five point seven points for February. The index is on a one hundred point scale so anything below fifty points means activity is contracting rather than expanding. China has implemented strict quarantine measures controlling movement and forbidding public gatherings to combat the outbreak. Those same measures have prevented millions of people from returning to work. A recent survey from Beijing based business school found forty five percent of Chinese firms. Surveyed had not been able to reopen yet Emily Fang. Npr News Beijing the US and the Taliban have signed a peace agreement. Most American and NATO forces will withdraw from Afghanistan within the next fourteen months and the Taliban have agreed not to harbour militants who threaten American security. The deal was signed today in Doha. And NPR's Diaa Hadid is there amid shouts of allow Akhbar or. God is Great. Your son voice on my hulls sign the four-page document alongside the chief negotiator Malaysian hunting but added in the agreement. The US says it will help. The Taliban be removed from sanctions lists. It will also help facilitate a prisoner exchange between the Taliban and the Afghan government provided the insurgents. Hold to the end of the deal. Meanwhile Afghans will decide their own future in negotiations between the Taliban and a government delegation. Turkey's president says his country's borders are now open to allow migrants to head to Europe. He's trying to Reggie type aired one says. Turkey cannot handle a new wave of migrants as airstrikes in neighboring Syria intensify. Npr's Peter Kenyon reports to order the country's border guards to stand down Friday and hundreds of migrants surge toward the Greek border air. Do on his continuing the practice Saturday as he calls on the European Union to uphold. Its End of two thousand sixteen deal with Turkey to stem the tide of refugees heading for Europe separately. Erdo on has also asked Russian leader Vladimir Putin to step aside in Syria to allow Turkish forces to deal with Syrian regime forces who attacked Turkish troops Friday killing thirty four and wounding dozens more aired. One says he told Putin in a phone call to let Turkey. Do what is necessary to deal with the Syrian military forces adding that Turkey will not immediately withdraw from Syria. Peter Kenyon NPR news. Istanbul this is NPR Hong Kong. Police are firing tear. Gas At anti-government protestors. The most violent clashes after a period of relative calm. Demonstrators are marking six months since police stormed a subway station and arrested pro. Democracy ralliers the man behind the popular grocery store chain trader. Joe's has died Joe. Colom was eighty nine as NPR's. Amy held reports his stores have devoted customers with a wide range of tastes. Yes behind those boxes of inexpensive internationally inspired bites. There was a real trader. Joe It was nineteen fifty eight in Pasadena California when Joe Colom a young Stanford Graduate Sawn Opportunity. He told perfect business. He decided to cater to an untapped demographic a more educated. American with an interest in travel erode the warriors of education. You have the more you drink. Two Buck Chuck was born stocked by clerks decked out in Hawaiian shirts to evoke images of the cell. See store took off expanding to hundreds of locations. Nationwide Colom Sole Trader Joe's to German retailer. All the in nineteen seventy nine his retirement. He remained active in the food. And wine world amy held NPR news. Luxembourg is taking a novel approach to Combat Road Congestion. The tiny and wealthy European country today abolished fares for trains trams and buses before today a yearly pass cost about four hundred eighty five dollars. Luxembourg's transport minister says that substantial for low income people. I'm Barbara Klein NPR news.

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Should america be run by trader. Joe's among the many things that makes trader joe's an unusual company is that they turn down pretty much all media requests so so as you'll hear in this episode we never did get to interview. Any current trader joe's personnel but after the episode ran we did get a letter from the firm c._e._o. Joe dan bane in your latest freakonomics radio podcast. He wrote you pose the question. Should america be run by trader. Joe's we are pretty sure. Such such work would likely require a coat and tie. We lake hawaiian shirts so we will pass. Thanks so you'll hear from any current trader joe's personnel. I knelt in this rebroadcast either. Hope you enjoy it nonetheless <music>. Let's play shark tank today. You're the investors shark tank. If you don't know is the t._v. Show where people pitch business ideas to famous investors you might be he mark cuban or mr wonderful. You're trying to side. Would you invest and that is michael roberto. He's a business professor at bryant university formerly of the harvard business school. There's one lecture. He likes to start by giving his students. This fictional shark tank pitch. I'd like to open a new kind of grocery store. We're not gonna and a half any branded items. It's all going to be private label. We're going to have a no television advertising and no social media whatsoever. We're never going to have anything on sale. We're not going to accept coupons. We'll have no loyalty card. We won't have a circular that appears in the sunday newspaper. We'll have no self checkout we won't have i'm wide aisles or big parking lots. <hes> would you invest in my company. And of course you're supposed to think there is no way i'd invest in that company. That sounds like the stupidest company ever and of course get a lot of consternation. That's when roberto reveals that not only does such grocery store already exist but they're crushing the competition there at the top by a wide wide margin the sales per square footage estimates are unbelievable means three and four times better than some of the leading leading players in the industry so it sounds like customers love this place but you might think a store like this would be brutal to work for and yet. It's ranked among the hundred best american american companies to work for him. So what's it called trader. Joe's trader joe's trader. Joe's trader joe's jazz. I do love trader. Joe's there is a good chance you have never shopped at a trader. Joe's maybe never even heard of it. It's got fewer than five hundred stores first. The big chains like kroger and albertsons have well over two thousand walmart sells groceries and more than four thousand stores and as michael roberto told told us trader. Joe's doesn't advertise or do a lot of things. The typical grocery store does that typical grocery store has skew count. <hes> skews stands for stock keeping unit. It's a number of different items carry store. What's grocery store. Supermarket might have thirty five thousand skews a tremendous selection of variety you go to trader asia and they only have say three thousand stock keeping units and the typical trader joe's grocery business is famous for low profit margins lots of competition shen and lately an even bigger problem for the first time in history. American consumers are spending more money in restaurants and bars than in grocery stores. Traderjoes seems to be bucking this downward trend. It doesn't just have customers. It has fans the first thing i do when i know i'm going somewhere is get on the internet and find where the closest traderjoes. It's never been easy to run a grocery chain trader. Joe's makes it look easy and weirdly fun. I don't walk into trader. Joe's with a strong to do list. It's not a chore when i walk into trader joe's it's. It's a variety seeking exercise. So how do they do it. That's the question will try to answer today. A question made more difficult by the fact that trader joe's was is a fairly secretive company. I think that some of the secrecy is probably due to who owns them so we put on our freakonomics goggles in an attempt. I'm to reverse engineer. The secrets of trader joe's which it turns out are incredibly free. Comical things like choice architecture decision in theory things like nudging and an embrace of experimentation in fact if freakonomics were grocery store. It might be a trader joe's news or at least try to be. It's like a real life case study of behavioral economics at work so here's the big question if trader joe's is really so oh good should their philosophy applied elsewhere to trader. Joe's can't believe i'm going to say this but should trader joe's be running. America work it from stitcher and governor productions. This is freakonomics radio. The podcast hot cast that explores the hidden side of everything. Here's your host stephen dubner and i. I got interested in trader. Joe's about ten years ago never been to one of their stores but i had a general impression cheap and cheerful relatively laid it back and sort of groovy for grocery store. Apparently reflection of its surface california roots also not aggressively health conscious but leaning in in that direction and then i read wall street journal article about german grocery chain called aldi that was ramping up its u._s. Expansion all the is a super cheap super generic grocery store more than ninety percent of its products were house brands and it was beating even walmart on price. The article said the audi chain had two new branches back in germany separately owned by two wealthy brothers named albrecht and that one of those branches also owned trader. Joe's i found on this fact surprising only because when i think of german business practices i don't think of a groovy earthy crunchy california surfer vibe but there it was i also learned that trader joe's stores were much smaller and typical supermarkets that they had their own way of doing things and the places without trader. Joe's often inserted petitions to bring one to their town. It was a sort of loony devotion usually reserved for sports teams or your favorite band. Kind of grocery. Store has a following like that and then when i learned that trader joe's out sells all other grocery stores per square foot. I really started paying attention. Then one opened up near my office here in new york started shopping there and for the most part loving. I realize it's not for everyone in fact predator strategy is trying not to be for everyone but i did want to know the secrets to their success reached out to the trader joe's headquarters in monrovia california and we're politely lately told to get lost as we mentioned earlier. The company is known for its secrecy the two brothers who founded all north and south in germany. You know we'll have a record of that michael roberto again that was kind of the family heritage of early being pretty secretive about their business operations really they weren't even you couldn't even find photos of them like on the internet or net for years. You know i mean they were very secretive. It's a strange combination affirmed prides itself on user-friendliness while also keeping its distance which means is that a lot of what's known about comes from industry analysts and other secondary sources blitz start here in the very beginning. There really was a joe. Oh behind trader joe's joe colom. He opened the first store in nineteen sixty seven in pasadena california. He went with a south seas theme beach kaz hawaiian shirts calling employees captains and crew members in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine colom sold the chain to one of the secretive albrecht bricked brothers feel feel albrecht was recluse. Perhaps it was said because he had once been kidnapped and held for ransom for seventeen days as in germany albrecht died in two thousand ten betray joe's remains notoriously press shy. It's also a privately held company so so no earnings calls with investment analysts no public proclamations of any sort really about how it does business and so to figure out how it works. We'll rely on a few people who've spent a lot of time thinking about trader joe's including the business school professor michael roberto whom you've already met correct it also the columbia business school professor's sheena anger whose research specialty is particularly relevant here. I've been studying choice. Why do we want want choice. What are the things that affect how in what we choose and what are some things we can do to improve our choice making abilities. We'll also talk to a trader joe's superfan. My name is kirk serbia. I reside in seward alaska seward by the way does not have a trader joe's nor does the state of alaska esca the closest store from disarming his house is two thousand two hundred ninety five miles away by car in bellingham washington to serbia is the guy who we heard earlier earlier. Say this the first thing i do when i know i'm going somewhere is get on the internet and find were the closest trader joe's is and we'll hear from a spy in the house of if trader joe's a former advertising executive named mark gardener who became obsessed with the chain and i had this thought like you know what if i just went and work there. What would i learn about this company in what gardner learned about the company. Is it just about everything trader. Joe's does outside of exchanging food for money is unorthodox for modern grocery store. There's as a lot to talk about the products of course the economics of their business model. They're very homemade. Do it yourself aesthetic including the hand painted murals that reflect the neighborhood of every store but let's start with one of the first things i noticed when i started shopping there the employees yes they are friendly and unhelpful and enthusiastic cheerios what they want employees who have sampled the product who know the product who can say have you tried this wine or that cheese but what really caught my eye was the sheer number of employees. There are so many of them. If you go in during slow time you can easily be outnumbered by employees louise in their t. j. t. shirts and hawaiian prints. One reason is that rather than stocking shelves overnight like most grocery stores trader. Joe's stocks them during during business hours. Why is mark gardener learned when he went to work there. The priority is to maximize customer interaction so they they would tell us. They're going to be looking for customers who seem like they can't find something that they want or just curious about something. You're gonna initiate conversations with these people and that we want you to be friendly. We want you to be chatty. We want you to be empathetic and more than anything else. We want you to do what it takes to make. Customers feel appreciated and wanted so that explains why there's so many employees in the aisles but they're also a ton. One of employees staffing the checkout on one level. This makes sense makes the long checkout line move fast and checkout after all is where a store takes the customers money lesson number one in sales. Don't make it hard for people to give you their money but trader joe's also has employees directing directing traffic at the checkout line one telling you which registered to go to one pulling out of the big q and into the final q. and one or two to holding up handmade signs marking the middle of the queue and the beginning. That's three or four employees do the job that most stores us zero employees as to do or maybe they use some software trader. Joe's seems to be aggressively low tech no self checkout aisles no online ordering and pick up no customer loyalty programs and apparently trader joe's gathers no significant data on customers at all in the modern business world this this is heresy. If you shop at whole foods which is owned by amazon you can be sure the company has an algorithm target on your back traderjoes traderjoes. Meanwhile really didn't matter if it was a little old lady that was looking for one five dollar bottle of wine and if the wine shipment had just come in the back and i would go and look and look through one hundred different cases and see if i could find one that she wanted and get her that one bottle of wine. If if i spent fifteen minutes doing that and that made that customer really happy then the managers were happy and the store was happy so this is a riddle there's a company that doesn't harnessed big data and doesn't generally seem to embrace a lot of technology it employs a lot of real live people and <music>. He's them above the industry standard as of two thousand and thirteen fulltime trader. Joe's crew members made about fifty thousand dollars a year while captains made more than one hundred thousand rosen also with better than average benefits but this is also a company that sells its products at very low prices according to one of those investigations comparing airing a basket of items at a bunch of different grocery stores. This one was done in two thousand sixteen by the marketwatch website in the san francisco bay area trader. Joe's was easily the the cheapest compared to safeway target and whole foods was thirty two percent cheaper than whole foods so how on earth can trader joe's as michael roberto told us taking the most revenue per square foot in the industry there at the top wide wide margin a two thousand twelve analysis estimated that trader trader joe's sells just over two thousand dollars of groceries per square foot wholefoods about twelve hundred dollars walmart six hundred dollars <music>. How is this happening. We should probably start with the products at trader joe's sells here. Let me read off some of what they say are the most popular items spatchcock lemon rosemary chicken and carne asada authentic kohlrabi salad blend and cold pressed macho green tea lemonade see soul and turban sugar chocolate almonds and go to jong almonds peanut butter filled pretzels and five seed in bars from the freezer section chicken tikka masala and gluten free cheese pizza with the cauliflower crust. These are the sort of foods that laid up instagram accounts. It's facebook pages that inspire fanatical devotion even among people who don't have a trader joe's within twenty three hundred miles like kirk serbia <unk> who works as a facilities manager for the national park service in alaska. Whenever i leave the state i usually by a couple of hundred dollars worth of goods and i have an extra suitcase or a duffel bag with me in my luggage and his duffel bag have been all over. I've been i know to some in portland oregon. <hes> reno nevada all over southern california. There's a number of them. My wife is from kentucky chucky and so we've been to they have one in louisville now as well as indianapolis <hes> i go to d._c. You about once a year for work and love to go to the trader joe's and georgetown. What is it about about trader. Joe's foods that create such a lust. Let's put aside for a moment. The question of how good their food is especially since taste is subjective at least least to some degree but there are a few things to say about how trader joe's is at least different from a typical grocery store. I there is a sense of globetrotting adventure incher masala the carne asada goto jong almonds. That's why sheena anger thinks of shopping there as variety exercise. Let's see what kind of candy bars they have. They usually have kucan. Let's see what kind of deals they might have on wines or cheeses or they're prepared foods. It's sections kind of cool. What might they have that could add some more variety to the house. They also offer rather unsubtle blend of healthy or at least healthy not seeming and hedonistic. Yes you can buy kohlrabi salad and cauliflower cress pizza but you've also got your peanut butter filled l. pretzels and seesaw and turbo sugar chocolate almonds speaking of which turban nado sugar also known as natural brown sugar. There's still sugar. Why add the turban auto. I have a few guesses one to say. You're just adding sugar to your already. Chocolate covered almonds doesn't sound very healthy but turban. Nado sugar intriguing possibly even sophisticated additionally trader. Joe's seems to understand what everyone in sales understands especially real estate agents adjectives are inexpensive and often useful especially when the actual virtues are limited. A charming house is often in fact small house. Trader traderjoes reportedly puts a great deal of effort into scouting sourcing and producing food that their customers truly love but they also pay a lot of attention to package. I design and descriptive salesmanship their marketing director is called director of words and phrases and clauses they publish an old fashioned newsprint bulletin the fearless flyer with indepth descriptions of new products when you walk into a trader joe's there's a playful vibe hip as if to say hey you're just buying food. Food is delicious so enjoy yourself is also an artsy vibe. A writer lee five more so oddly enough than in a typical bookstore. These details is casual. They might seem would also appear to be strategic. Pick in two thousand eleven interview with the l. a. times joe colom said that when he started trader joe's in the nineteen sixties he was inspired by an article he he read in scientific american 'bout huge spike in americans attending college. I felt this newly educated. Class of people would want something different. He recalled recalled and that was the genesis of trader. Joe's why did he choose pasadena as the first store location because he said pasadena is the epitome of a well educated town trader. Joe's is for over educated an underpaid people for all the classical musicians museum curator's and end <hes> journalists. He said this suggests that from the very beginning trader joe's understood cream skimming targeting a certain kind of customer and leading the rest slide by as for the underpaid part of colognes occasion that would appear to be outdated and analysis by time magazine gene found that as of two thousand fifteen trader joe's stores were located in counties with higher household median income than any other grocery chain including whole foods roots and about ten thousand dollars higher than u._s. median income but and this seems to be another key component of trader joe's success. They also value for galaxy. You is michael roberto found the usually set up shop in the cheaper parts of the expensive areas frankly in many cases there in sort of old strip malls so they've saved money money on the real estate. The real estate firm zillow found that homes near trader joe's stores appreciate more quickly than homes in the city as a whole concluding that either trader joe's is really good at picking areas that are on the rise or that. They are in part causing the rise. So how about a new store for in seward alaska that is kirk discern mus- dream so i started facebook page called bring trader joe's to alaska asca. This was in two thousand twelve. I thought man these guys. Maybe they just don't know what they're missing yet. <hes> if i can create this facebook page and i can get people around the state to start liking it and sending trader joe's an email to say hey. We would really to see your store here. Then maybe trader joe's will will actually listen to us so after one of his out of town trader joe's shopping binges when i come home with a suitcase full i like to throw it on the kitchen table and take a picture of it and put it out there hopefully to motivate people to send that email to trader joe's and let them know where we're out here. His facebook with page got some traction about twelve hundred likes. I would say most of my friends in seward are aware that this is something that i would like to see happen unless you think to. Serbia is one of those guys who makes a facebook page for everything. No some of my friends might say them fairly politically active of but <hes> you know i honestly i can't think of any other store that i might think to start a page to bring up here. Seward alaska does have a relatively high median household income but the population is a problem fewer than three thousand people to serbia concedes that anchorage a few hours away would be more sensible safe for the first trader joe's in alaska and he'd happily make the drive. He just really wants a trader. Joe's every time i go to trader joe's and the lower forty-eight they always look excite ways at me when i when i'm getting two to three hundred dollars worth of goods but <hes> i tell them you know it's because we live in alaska and we can't get you guys come up here and since i started this page in two thousand twelve and they've never responded to a single email. It seems a little unlikely but hopefully hopefully they're gonna listen to this interview and then my percentage will go up coming up after the break. We'll get into to the economic details of trader. 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Wise even has a multi-currency account that lets you hold over forty currencies and convert them when you like test them out for free at transfer the answer wise dot com slash freakonomics or download the app today and of all the mysteries concerning the success of trader. Joe's here's what strikes me as the most interesting one their stores as we've learned are generally quite small small roughly a third the size of typical supermarket michael roberto again. We're all acclimated to every other supermarket looks the same and has has thirty five thousand items. It has seven million varieties of toothpaste in tomato sauce. Every other player has all those things betray joe's they only have say three thousand rosenstock keeping units in the typical trader joe's four thousand most in one of their larger stores moreover as we've learned trader. Joe's prices are relatively low. Oh and yet they also take in much higher revenues and stores that have more variety and more expensive items so how remember number trader joe's doesn't sell a lot of brand name groceries. Roughly eighty percent of their products are private label items also known as store brands with that means trader joseph mitigated the power the suppliers might have over them so while they're not nearly as biggest krogers and they can get great purchasing power because they're condensing all they're buying tomato tomato sauce to one vendor for a very limited number of items and when you're selling something that you also manufacture or at least source directly you obviously stand make more money than if you're buying from a middleman that said even storebrand products need taste good judging from i'm the chain's success they do in fact some trader joe's branded items may taste identical to brand name foods why because it appears all right then tickle an investigation by the food website eater using freedom of information act requests found that many trader later joe's items are in fact manufactured by the same companies that make the brand name versions of products that you can buy many other grocery stores usually for significantly more money for instance. Those trader joe's pita chips with sea salt. They appear to be exactly the same as stacy's simply naked pita chips trader joe's gluten free chocolate chip cookies according to the investigation are quote nearly identical in taste packaging and ingredients to tate's bake shop cookies. There's nothing wrong with this. It's hardly unusual for brand name manufacturers to run a side business selling private labels but most places that sell a lot of house brands are seen as downmarket discounters not upmarket superstars like trader joe's so why are they different front. Some of the credit must go to the clever packaging and the artful product descriptions but to get to the real secret of trader. Joe's when i think might be the single biggest reason for its success. You have to go back to sheena anger. I have been at the columbia business goals since nineteen ninety eight and i started to study choice way back in nineteen ninety angers p._h._d. Is in social psychology as an undergrad. She double majored in psychology and economics. She was born in toronto to parents who immigrated from india her background she she believes gave her a different perspective on decision-making when she started working in the field and i got very interested in the kinds of questions that we wouldn't have ordinarily early asked like well to all cultures see choice in the same way. We had assumed that it was an eight. We had assumed that everybody saw it. The same winded was somehow universal and i i think because i was an asian american. I didn't see it as that obvious. She wanted to explore this question with kids from different backgrounds. Her theory was asian american kids in white. American kids might think differently about choice before comparing the two groups she she wanted to establish a baseline confirm that for the white kids choice indeed had a positive effect. This baseline experiment turned out to be pretty interesting on its own. Here's how it worked. She brought a bunch of three year olds. One by one into a roomful of toys half of them were allowed to choose any toy and they could switch as they pleased the other half would be given just one toy with no option to switch. I started by looking eh white american kids because i had to first show that i'm capable of actually replicating what prior scientists would say what prior scientists would say it had been saying for decades is is that choice is motivating that having choice or even the illusion of choice is associated with increased satisfaction and feeling more control control over your life therefore the kids who could choose their toy should be happier for having the options in more likely to play longer. These ideas about route choice were prominent not just in psychology they were baked into the foundation of economic thinking at the time moore choice is almost always better than less choice but when i first started her study and brought in the kids who could choose from an entire room full of toys the white kids would come in and they would look at all these toys and stare outside the window and then when i would just give them legos. There were really happy. They're playing and i was like wait at this goes against what i'm supposed to find something wrong here so anger went back and examined some of those earlier studies about choice and decision making she realized that when those researchers described giving people lots of choice in reality that meant something like two to six options not a roomful oh like she had tried so anger ran different study this time limiting the number of choices and now she confirmed what her predecessors had found but she kept thinking about what happened in that first study with the room full of toys. Why were they staring out the window. I don't get it. I gave them really really cool toys. I gave the moldova's modern toys at the same time. I was going to this upscale grocery store. The store is called drinkers market. It's a northern california institution i- anger was at stanford at the time to they had like two hundred and fifty different kinds of mustards and vinegars and mayonnaise and and five hundred different kinds of fruits and vegetables and one hundred different kinds of olive oil. Oh my god it was amazing and i would go to all these little tasting sessions and try out like ten different kinds of vinegar and i also than thought to myself well. How come you never by any of those things you taste and i then went into the store manager and i asked him whether his model of offering people all this choice was working now he said it did and he pointed to the traffic and restored did have a lot of traffic but it was still an empirical question. Was it helping or was it not so angered designed an experiment at dreyer's to answer the question she set up tasting booth for jams and she alternated the choice set. Sometimes booth would feature six different jams and sometimes i'm twenty four and we looked at two things first we looked at in which case did more people stopped the sample some jam and we found that more people stopped when they were twenty for on display so sixty percent stopped when they were twenty four on display versus when there were six on display only forty percent of the people stopped and then when people stopped we gave everybody a coupon giving them one dollar off if they bought a jar of jam and in the back of the coupon was a code that told us if they saw six versus assist twenty four now what we found was that of the people who stopped when there were twenty four on display only three percent can't of those coupons were redeemed whereas of the people who stopped when there were six on display thirty percent of the coupons were redeemed interesting a larger choice set generates more interest the smaller choice set set generates more action cina angers jammed study very simple but very powerful would go on to become one of the most famous studies in decision science ryan's because it illustrates a lot of us feel when we enter for instance gigantic supermarket with the finding illustrated. We said we want more choice. Presumably because of all the -tunities provides us but when it comes down to making a choice we don't want that choice to be too hard or too conflict ridden. We're too burdensome. Anger followed up her jam study with a look at employee participation in retirement savings plans and essentially what we found and was that the plans that offered their employees more options you saw real decrease in participation rates so if you had a plan that offered people people less than five options <hes> the likelihood to participate was roughly around seventy five percent and by the time you got two plans that offered people around <music> sixty options now participation rates had dropped below sixty percent. This phenomenon has come to be called the paradox of choice <music> but anger doesn't think that's quite right. It's not that more choices always worse than that. Less is always better she or visit choice is both limiting limiting and a powerful tool. Every context is different. You can imagine that a huge choice set is particularly welcome in the digital realm where you can search for exactly what you want with a few key strokes assuming that is you know what you want but in the analog world in the world of a grocery store or for instance the size of choice set matters not just because of the cost of real estate and transportation storage and labor to stock the shelves els but because of how we people make decisions envision a shelf in a typical supermarket is seven million varieties a toothpaste in tomato sauce awesome and a trader joe's shelf. It doesn't overwhelm me. It usually gives me just a few choices per domain and having just a few choices per per domain is more likely to lead to action imagine yourself standing in an aisle and trader. Joe's you come across their five seed almond in bars and your lizard brain says well there are no foresee domin bars or six seed in bars. I don't even know why i need seeds in my almond in bars but sure i think i'll get some of those trader. Joe's understands lessons more. It understands to use a word of the moment went curation. They don't overwhelm you with choice. Which is why you're more willing to examine each novel choice. There is a story probably not true about michelangelo. Someone's supposedly asked him how difficult it had been to sculpt his famous david and he said it's easy just chip away the stone. That doesn't look like david. I am not saying trader. Joe's is quite on michelangelo's level but you get the the idea. There is great value in clearing away the clutter which is one reason sheena. Anger personally loves shopping at traderjoes. It doesn't give me the boring stuff right. It keeps me excited because i want to see what they have. And what do they have. That might get me thinking about something. I don't ordinarily ordinary think about so. They also maintain the mystery of novelty for me. Novelty is also a powerful tool in sales and this to trader joe's understands dan's. It is famous for constantly introducing new products experimenting with them really which means old products have to go. Maybe they'll come back. Maybe maybe they won't this strategy would appear to be risky normally in a typical grocery store. If the item that you typically bought isn't there you're really pest right. You're matt michael roberto again it trader. Joe's customers have come to understand that that's part of the trade off. You might see your peach mango salsa disappear but they'll be something new to try bri- that you can offer at your next cocktail party and while people with anger notes this strategy also gives every trip to trader joe's a sense of treasure hunt but that our appetite for novelty is domain specific. I deliberately go into that venue that venue being trader joe's because i wanna learn about some choices. I'm trying to update my brain on choices but when i go into my coffee shop shop in the morning i do not engage in any act of updating. I don't wanna know i walk into my coffee shop every morning. I don't even say eh anything. They just bring me out exactly what they bring me every other day and it's made exactly the same and i have no interest in in engaging in any kind of variety seeking and discover trader joe's totally by accident. That's mark gardener again. The former advertising executive who ended up working at traderjoes he was living in california at the time i i thought it was a local store but had kind of surf theme and i didn't know any better because they don't do any advertising. I only was exposed to it happen to be in my neighborhood. Then gardner moved to kansas city. Yes and that's when i really learned about trader joe's as a company because there was no trader joe's but there were these rumors of it. We're going to get a trader joe's and there was so much excitement. There's a facebook page called. Bring trader trader joe's to kansas city that has five thousand friends as a former advertising guy gardner was impressed. I think the number one thing that struck me about trader joe's is that they almost don't advertise at all. They don't market they. They have a pretty good website website now but but for years at a rudimentary website they had almost no social media presence they had almost no kind of public relations relations so they they didn't do a whole bunch of the things i had spent my entire working life thinking well. These are the things things that you do when you build a brand so that was really striking to me and <hes> i just had this thought like you know what if i went i and work there. What would i learn about this company. Gardner learned enough about the company by working there that he wrote a book about it called build a brand lake traderjoes. How did trader joe's respond well as you know. They're very very secretive company so they responded exactly the way i expected which was with utter silence. What initially impressed gardner was how trader joe's grown so much without spending all the money that most firms spend on marketing advertising and so on but what impressed him once he got inside working as a crew member for twelve dollars an hour was the company's culture culture well before the new kansas city store had opened on the first or second day of training a trader. Joe's executive came in to meet with the roughly fifty new hires including gardner the proceedings began with that standard horrifying requests to say your name and tell a story about yourself and i am not kidding eating you. Fifty hands went up. It was all these people are pick me. I want to be the first. I wanna start. I wanna tell you my story and i looked around around that that group of hands going up and mine was up to you know because i'm not because i love talking about myself but but most people don't on at least not to group of strangers and i thought wow this is not an ordinary group of people and what i realized pretty quickly is oh my god and this is what they hire for the higher for this kind of extroverted naturally chatty person as the training progressed. These guys really weren't too worried about teaching me how to operate a grocery store right. I mean there were some discussion about you. You know keeping the cold things cold and how important that is and and there was a little bit of discussion about this is how a cash register works about you know when you're bagging groceries groceries. This is how you do it. There was some discussion of process but actually there was a lot of discussion of trader joe's values. There was a tremendous amount of discussion. About how are you going to be with the customers and then once the store opened. No matter how crazy the store was no matter how much pressure there was to do something else if you were doing something for a custom her that trumped everything seeing how trader joe's encouraged its employees to interact with customers to partner up with them didn't just make sense to gardner it inspired him to wonder why this theoretically obvious approach is in fact quite rare consider. He says a standard trip to the department of motor vehicles but what happens when you go to the d._m._v. What happens is you stand on one side of a counter men search your opponent on the other side of the counter and it's as if you're in sort of a game or a sport where you're trying to get your were a license plate or a driver's license and they're gonna say oh yeah. You don't have a an up-to-date inspection certificate for your cars so get out of here right. It's like a volleyball game practically and it's and it's you against them now. What if you changed the rules and what have you said you guys are both on the same side. Your goal school is to get them that driver's license or that license plate that they need and so instead of just saying like you don't have the right inspection what what if you told them look. This is what's wrong with the certificate that you've got. It's either out of date or it's from the wrong state or whatever and this is where you would go to get the inspection that you need right and let me look at all your other things while i've got you here and if there's anything else you need. I'll tell you what you need so that the next next time you come. It's going to be a slam dunk for you. What if that was. What if it wasn't adversarial. What if you guys were both on the same side. What if you guys were both on the same side. It's good question. Don't you think look i'm not saying mark. Gardener's example is necessarily fair to the d._m._v. nor am i saying that trader joe's should when the nobel peace prize but it does strike me that a lot of interactions in the modern world are set up to be more competitive than they need and the benefits of collaboration are often undervalued. I think back to an interview we did with microsoft ceo saatchi and adela who's been reversing microsoft's microsoft's longstanding policy of treating tech rivals like google and apple as pure rivals and instead sometimes partnering with them nothing nothing can be taken for granted that there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine what you have to do is be good at being able to refresh yourself at abc crucial times so if you had the choice would you have trader joes run the department of motor vehicles and maybe even i'm not serious here except maybe i am. Would you have them run. America released. Would you try to export some of their collaborative frugal. Don't take yourself so seriously methodologies michael roberto the business the school professor who's analyzed traderjoes warns. It's not so easy that it wouldn't even be easy for another grocery store to replicate. The trader joe's experience to do what they do. You can't just hire the people they hire. You have to emulate the private label strategy the real estate strategy the pricing the quirky culture culture and it's often the soft things not just the kind of people you hire but the way you train them and the culture you create then we can build a store that looks like a trader joe's but when we have people walk in can they have the same experience well. That's very hard to replicate fair enough and again. I don't mean to heap undue praise is on a grocery chain just because they found a way to make their appealing food cheap and treat people pretty well along the way but i will say this. 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"UNSPOILED is back for season two Paul and amy tackle the one hundred, and now they're making their own list starting with back to school movies. Check out the first episode on Mean Girls Right now on stitcher apple podcasts over ever UK, your podcasts Different. Young girl I couldn't have imagined how much my love for Jesus but define my adult life. For snacks might taste buds favorite that Tangy creamy Nisa Cheddar. Not surprisingly, and he's very first product to feature cheddar cheese today dozens of them are big on cheese. One of my daughters has the same. She's gene, and for snacks we'll share slash Cheddar on an open box at Annie's Tschetter squares life has come full circle by for now andy from Andy's hope ground. Do, you ever buy any some grown I used to be big lanny's enemies addict, but I don't do box boxes. Buddy, move with. Bags. Times a bags high hot air balloons I'm grocery store. Brian still haven't found a name. Lady. That sticks. That's insulting I okay. I don't know. I think it's a compliment. Okay. Yeah. I'm remarried tonight naming. Yes. I'm. La Dodger Brian. This is the groceries podcast I've got my eyes on you. I get. This is the groceries podcast. We talk about all things, groceries, the carts, the produce, the cashiers, the parking every. All of it prices, and we've been mostly very local to Los Angeles, but we plan to expand as soon as we go. Domination. Brian. Where'd you go this week? I went to Di di Di di Di di Di di trader Joe's trader. Joe's for those of you everyone knows. But for those who don't because there are some things still still don't have one idiot. You are a trader Joe's or you are not. It is a cult mentality. The likes of which I think rarely exists in terms of grocery store culture and I think they I don't WanNa see they. Feed on it because that's predatory but they build it up. Do you know what I mean they have a theme they have aisles that correspond to the neighborhood you're in they all have certain the employees that are very happy. In fact, our producer Kimmy told me growing up here that when all the grocery stores went on strike trader Joe's didn't because they didn't want to the employee's loved working there. So they must have some kind of benefits there. and. So I guess that sort of idea is a little infectious because they're also known for their incredible customer service and for talking to you in the checkout aisles they H-. Legend is they have to they have to legend legend is treasures. Legend is that someone has to say something about something in your cart so now that the the person checking you out to something like Oh you tried those really good or like Oh don't guy your your friends are going to love those you know if you buy like. Condoms. They don't sell them and they also don't bandaids and they don't sell day. Do they sell tampons or pads? I don't believe definitely. Don't say. o? Not. That those are the same thing inside your body from the bottom they don't sell it. teepee guests that just means trader. Joe's is completely. Sexy phobic. Oh right it's. Only. They don't want you touch your among uncle. Yes. Okay. Trader Joe's is named after as all grocery stores are many after its founder Joe Colom which I think is gorgeous and I feel like I know part of this story. But I I have like a really terrible version. He's a brother, right? Deep Competition with the brother, not that I not that I read. I'm talking to you think of a fantasy book that yes. Definitely you're thinking of game of thrones So it began in Nigerian he served Yeah Mama Mama charge or whatever. So trader, Joe's began in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, eight used to be a competitor of seven eleven but he used to just be a nothing day was called Pronto here at seven eleven. Seven eleven by the way who now play their music very loudly outside like if you or their their radio station whatever very loudly so that. Homeless, people don't congregate there any longer? So it's the music drives them. Crazy. So that's why when you walk into a seven eleven now chances the music will be very loud before you even walk in the store and it's to just drive people who stand outside their nuts. Anyway. So as far as trader Joe's won the war. So, Colom this is Love fucking. Sorry. I love the links that. Seven to do outside speakers. Yes. Instead of giving money to a local homeless organization I, know they went straight to that speaker system called Sonos. They should waited. Sonos for much cheaper. Okay Coloma developed the idea of the trader Joe's Motif which is as air. It's the South Seas they call us. After a Caribbean vacation he came he went on vacation got so relaxed. Had this great idea was like you know what? I'm bringing a piece of this pie back and of course, this was developed in the fifties when Tiki culture was like at its hi, this was like when everyone legit not per campus fact, this is trader Vic's was like more than one location and a big deal and people were drinking my ties and like. Still. Around Tiki Tie. It keeps high or he I think it is. I don't know been there. Once that's right but trader Vic's was that was the big Tiki Bar had twenty five locations at its height and so fucking joke alone recognize his this tiki fame. And also inspired by the Caribbean and comes back and is like, hey, trader VIC's. Trader Joe's. Okay so not very imaginative and especially. So, the first one opened, in Pasadena California it's still this is history. It's still open that location is still open. I didn't go to that Albertson's toward our down to put up a statue. Mentioned a statue in front of a store. No me neither stupid stupid. So. Extremely successful. It is the highest grossing grocery store per square foot because they're very small most grocery stores carry fifty thousand items. Trader Joe's carries four thousand and let me say something about what they carry. They are rarely out of the four products that I get there. Sure. Eye Cream psych cream. You had headbutts. When someone had I had by protectors goes on your forehead yeah. They don't sell bandits but they sell that yeah and edible noses. You got. You got my number Hussy what are your four? What are your Go-to I get? Plane Turkey Jerky for the dog. That's his. That's his high intrigue so it isn't Attack People. Okay. I have a significant thing about a dog later until you do I'll get there. Then I do their chicken sausages or delicious for breakfast. I do their sparkling water. Okay and I get. Their frozen shrimp is there are amazing. Oh, great a so they have the highest sales per square foot S-. They They really are the most responsive to customer feedback of of any grocery chain of any chain. I mean obviously local stores are very different than all of that but they heard their customers when they said that they wanted only cage free exit their stories. So that's what's there now and And by twenty twenty, earth by twenty twenty, every single grocery trader. Joe's will all their eggs will come from Katri, suppliers and plastic problem. Okay. So we'll get there you should have. You balloons right into the mouth of turtles. Sure. Trader Joe's loves a balloon. Consumer reports ranked trader Joe's the second best supermarket chain in the US after Wegmans, which you don't have a bike men's so I don't know what to say about that, and it's considered one of the most ethical companies in America. Okay. So as I mentioned before h trickle down from Joe. Maybe. Joe Cologne. I. Wonder. What kind of Cologne Cologne wears. Dining, what kind of coffee do you think you drinks? Probably I hate their coffee. Oh, it's terr-. It's horrible. I can't even believe they'd give samples of it. I hate the Trader Day Sale Lock Colom now no an trader Joe's yeah they do. Okay. So many of their products are environmentally friendly but Aaron pointed out they do get a lot of shit from Greenpeace actually. Four their plastics? because. They don't. VEGGIES. are individually wrapped and that's probably right and now they have signs because they're trying to break that habit. They have signs in the grocery stores that say like the one I went to that says like. Peaches and it'll say individual peaches meaning like not packaged. They've like they have to point out like we didn't package these in other words wrapped in plastic. So some are some art it depends on what you're getting but. So. Like the criticism they face, but they did hear Greenpeace's cry. When Greenpeace I I guess said to them that a lot of their foods were important excuse me imported. Straight from China including a lot of their seafood and so a trader Joe's did hear that and scaled-back completely with it but you know that actually and this is thanks to my friend Bella, who reads everything every label everything She realized that she was getting organic I duNNo. Or something or or ps it was something organic that was frozen and she looked at the package and it said from China Oh. Yeah. A lot of it as it were organic be from China but it's crazy that we'd have to get peace from their. Decorations. So trader Joe's as many people know has its own private label products like every grocery store does however, there's are considered a step above because. Categorically, they contain no artificial flavors, no artificial preservatives no colors derived from anything other than naturally available products. No genetically modified ingredients no hydrogenated oils and no Ms Jeez, and in addition their private label dairy products use milk from cows not given an artificial growth hormone. So when you look at like the trader Joe's and also they have trader Jose's, which is their Mexican Food Baker Joseph, which is flour and bagels trader Joe's and. Get deep stereotypes their Italian line trader Joe's on, which is their Japanese trader means which Asian, Joseph Brow, which is beer traders Jacques, which is their French They sell all of these under their own labels and the reason that trader Joe's is able to say so cheaply which everyone knows. So cheap is because they buy direct from local and international small-time vendors and they skin that'll make completely, which is why they're able to offer good products at at a discount at a big discount. They just happen to have fewer products which by nationally also. Trader. Joe's categorically has the worst parking of any grocery store in America there. Lots are way because the grocery stores are not big. Like I said they only software thousand products. So it's not just a Los Angeles Prada problem about I. Think they even have their own instagram handle about trader. Joe's parking It's categorically. It's hard to get. Bigger, but they could have small stores for just double the law. So you say I, could say that about every fucking thing here. You know what are Two Walkout Are you going to talk about the specifically went to Oh are you gonNa, talk about the shelf. Product, Oh yeah. Okay. Great. Okay. Okay. I've never been more excited to hear up you know. So trader Joe's when I went to. Is In a shocking shopping center and it's truly Probably. The worst location Los Angeles as far as I'm concerned it's what people think of when they think of someone on. It's eight thousand sunset the one on sunset and crescent. Heights. Eighties. The end of the sunset strip. So it's just like it's a right across the street from the Chateau Marmon. Everything, all that is their. First of all shit goes down that shopping center. That is this shopping center. There's the starbuck's were someone steals the chair every day, and they still haven't found out who it is. Some guy just runs. I, know some guy literally runs there every day and they try to do everything to lockdown those chairs steals a chair and then leaves. Just throughout the day. One Chair Day This is also the same shopping center where. Off Market SMOOTHIES, shops open and closed like crazy and I'm market isn't that were used. Fuel still exists like the only one that still exists there. But like muscle maker all these off brand places open shut they're like crazy. This is also a friend of mine saw gene. Hackman not one year ago punch someone in the Goddamn face. Shopping Centre. Disaster. Let's start with the new items. Okay. This is a pro. They have an entire shelf dedicated to all the new things happening at the store, which is exciting. I have never been impressed with what that but that must be the market research they're doing, right? Yes. So they constantly are that's exactly right. They phase products out very quickly if customers respond in her like we don't like this then they're like, okay, it won't happen anymore we're phasing out I mean they they'd listen and they act quickly. So some of the new which Kimmy was excited about we were talking about earlier they have their own halo top now, which is the light ice creams. It's like three hundred. Dollars for. A number lucky number on your stomach. It could be you. Have a strong. Proof. Constitution to do a halo. Top. But they do it they do they do a chocolate. Hamas. They do a bloody Mary Salsa. This is what I mean. None of this stuff sounds good to me the new items they really take risks. They do Broccoli and Kale Pizza across you why I wonder they're doing that bloody Mary Salsa saw Champagne gummy bears and Mimosa gummy bears at whole foods I. is there a new thing where it's like we're gonNA put alcohol and instead you? Definitely. They're hedging their bets with things like frozen. I mean that just takes a microwave. It doesn't take that long to defrost case frozen case a dea that just doesn't sound good ketchup flavored. SPUD. CRUNCHIES. Now I mean that's just bringing the British into this as far as I'm concerned you can't even be bothered to put catch up on your French fries exactly but here's what I'll tell you. I found. Aaron. I actually so excited. I found something as good as cotton candy grapes. Now. They have. Sugar Kiss melons. Anybody anyone have I know Connie Ackley they were sampling. She said, they look like nothing they look like they look like shitty cantaloupe but at the tasting station, the lady behind the tasting station I walked by it because it just looked like translucent melt like what do I care honeydew who cares and she said to me she goes you re I walked by she goes I I know it looks like nothing you have to try us and she was like it is beyond delicious and it was like okay. It was. It was unbelievable. It was it's the best new product I found in the produce section. Or period since 'cause Amigos Tequila. Sugar Kiss melons. There were like a buck ninety nine for a whole melon. There's a guy at the farmer's market on in hall on Hollywood on Sunday, who sells a myriad of melons and he was taste doing a tasting. And It was like a street magician. People were crowding around. What it is, it is truly it is like. Dumb speech old world market. For that for the samples did you see anything? WHO This is yes, of course. The I, hate to copy there. No, but they they they're constantly sampling it constantly sampling the coffee people go in there for a caffeine fix that specific locations also terrible because. A crunch. Why was I over there? I can't remember was conducting some businesses some secret business. I can't tell you about getting I. Don't remember why I was I was over there for some fucking reason I would just training mate that's why and so I went after. Very complicated to I would prefer to go to the Santa Monica one because you can at least on the street. Because that that complex because of crunch NCB to. I just I. Love It. I just park in the electric vehicle parking which I'm technically not allowed to my now you have electric, but it's only it's a hybrid electric. Spark them but you know, what am I going to do? What they electric place can give you a ticket You know by the way they owe me money as we all they literally thousands of dollars. So I. Dare Them. Great deals, they're the flowers fantastic. Deal the produce it's it's getting better. It actually is getting better. It's taking forward because I used to not love it. You can get super chew greeting cards there. Where do right there sort of hidden but they're great like birthday cards and stuff they're super cute. They're all night elevator. Yes by the elevator. The? Cons. No Lube, the Titas was eighteen, thousand, thousand nine, which it has every right now. So that's nothing special. They do have their own Tito's brand called versatile spirit. Only nine, nine, thousand, nine, other condom bakeries awful if they don't have a specific but anything put it all in the plastic containers and they just look disgusting the Muffins look gross nothing none of other should their Shibata can ship Shigella and I'll I'll tell you the final Straw for me at that place and I love a trader. Joe's the final Straw for me at that place that God Damn Bell. I. Hate. It Dan did you find out what it's for? Yes. One ring is for like the phone's ringing someone needs to pick up the phone to ring his for credit card. Didn't like something's wrong with the machine three rings is for like go. To go find a price check I think that's the worst straight up pirate code. South Seas Honey. That's how they operate couple of reviews. That I really liked and you talk about outfits Oh. Yeah. A Hawaiian theme they were the Hawaiian shirts which which by the way are now like I mean they're on trend. It took him, they came full circle with their. Uniform they've always been ahead of the curb. So they had this is what I will say is a single man living in. Las, Vegas. They have incredible. Here's the fact. Here's the problem when you're a single man living in. Las. Vegas and you're constantly the at the casinos. I'm not home allies. So, you are watching a good four hours of Judge Judy. What our But I'm not a lot we travel. We can be on the road sometimes. Yeah. We are always on the road. Yeah but yes yes. Yes Oh country road so. I, but I like having something alive in my place. Bear with me. There's succulent selection is fat Byu less and I'm telling you have little ones. You just put them in your bathroom water once a week even less you can put a tiny one in your bathroom. And it's so pretty young white has to come through, but it's kind of Nice, and so I I've gotten into the stuck game because like I I like I like being responsible for something I only have to take care of once every we can. and Trader Joe's has some really cute ones. Denson's has some that are a whole foods has, but they're too big and they're too expensive like I just like ones that are little pockets what I mean I don't need a fucking. Eucalyptus in just a little kiss of suck. Yeah. Exactly. Couple, of reviews I liked. The about the trader Joe's I went to. It's a really nice trader Joe's with the friendly and helpful staff. I almost thought I was in Orange County I. liked it so much no nope nope. If on the first level of a mall which I love now. On yelp. Just sit outside now not there. And this one was priceless. From a neighborhood perspective, I have to say that the female clientele here's some of the most attractive women I've ever encountered at a trader. Joe's location. That may be because it's in the epicenter of Sunset Boulevard. Parentheses the entertainment capital of the world. So maybe women just like hanging out in the middle of a busy Monday afternoon, their yoga pants cut I wonder if they have jobs. See if you're single, not a bad place to connect with someone, I think. If I saw someone writing that yelp review I would smack their computer out of their hands. I will also say this creep. Thousand sunsets center is also where I saw the guy say to a woman. Looking good and she goes like she rolled her eyes and said shot up and then I felt empowered because that was in line behind starbucks and I said, she didn't. You shouldn't have said that to her she didn't want to hear that and he was like, Oh that's my wife and we were joking remember that. And I like literally. Walked out of the store backwards to my car. Ever. So humiliated and thought I was like being hero and really he was like, fuck. Why are you listening to what I'm saying but also know Brian Fuck that guy. And fuck them because like. It's like when people are like oh We we we pretend that my husband's hitting me. It's like fucking funny I. Actually in this case when I replayed it, she was not offended she was like you're don by. Just her husband. I don't think that I hear to whose side I am on. The side. I am too. I'm on the guy who wrote to review about. Pants the entertainment capital of the world. Crazy. Also, like why are you explaining Hollywood everybody? They know who already shops there anyway. So that's the trader Joe's thousand sunset I. I really do recommend the store and I will say the another con is that they are. Super. Shady. About their business practices and like where they get. Yes and I think that that's less my impression from articles I've read is that it's less. Because They're doing something poorly and more because they don't want people copying them. So they're not transparent about very much. Well, that's which I think adds to the Celtics periods of trader Joe's for sure. Do you how many? How out of ten cotton. Candy Grapes where do you put it? I'm going to be honest with you. If I had to rank the grocery stores we've covered so far that I've covered. I would go one Gilson's. To Albertsons three trader Joe, how which is crazy because I love trader Joe. I will give it. It's just a parking. The people. I gave it five. Hour, Tan. But you know what? Out of time but you know what? I'll kick it up to a six because of the sugar kissed lemon no Mellon. They. which they don't really deserve credit for it because they just brought it into cy I've seen it anywhere else though. 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Do you want weird It's all there. This is considerably smaller, but it it's it's to me. It's better because it's just everything you need and not the extra stuff. Right? There's not a lot of places to like eat there you're gonNA, go get food you're going to get groceries your produce you're gonNA maybe get a couple of Tamales to put into the freezer for down the road you can get some oranges and you're going to get some fish great and you could get some bread never would have thought tamales would have been thrown in there. There's a lady who makes fantastic frozen tamales. In the Freezer Oh cool just. Okay. Got It. Yeah. Warm them up later and she gives you the salsa to that's. That is a bloody Mary all. Champagnes also. Yeah. So. The other thing I like about this farmer's market is it to me? It's full of more. It's it's. There are less. Guys who look like Father John Misty at this farmer's market would think there'd be more West Hollywood because the West Hollywood's Monday ninety two and I feel like on Sunday is the farmers market in Hollywood is a scene and this one's like I'm here to get shit done. They. I WanNa talk about produce, but can I just tell you also it is a place where you have to be unemployed or have a flexible schedule to. To two that's prime prima work hours. That's right unless you're close by and you have a lunch break. So let me tell you about who Helen Albert is. Oh. Thank you. Helen Albert is was community activist who was instrumental in forming West Hollywood and served as one of its first city council member. She was a teacher. And One City Council in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, she is responsible for those Mussalini by the way he was a schoolteacher. Are you serious? So he knows how to like manipulate. I'm curious to hear the rest of this woman's story. Well on like Mussalini, and that's all start every single sentence before I talk about what she did unlike Mussalini she. Headed up hearings to. For Rent Stabilization Ordinances. In West Hollywood she helped develop the West Hollywood homeless organization. She appropriated funds for AIDS, education in West Hollywood. She baller was the first female mayor of West Hollywood away way after all of this she was this is a great story she was on vacation in nineteen eighty eight when her colleagues elected her to the largely ceremonial position of mayor. I love how everything happens to grocery store people when they're on vacation on vacation. Yeah. Everett same with Gilson's he was in Hawaii or something, and then came back and was like I have an idea. So you think it's all good ideas happen when you're just least expecting. A good lesson. Yeah. Relax everybody chill out. She was one of the oldest women mayors in the United States. And she'd been living West Hollywood from nineteen seventy. She's from Omaha Nebraska came came to California looking for dreams and boy did she find them? She did a lot of stuff and also when she died her family acid donations be made to AIDS project Los Angeles Fabulous fucking baller bad ass lady she would from stakes to West Hollywood farmers mark. Exactly. So that's why this Market is named after her as it should be and many other things. So here's a couple of vendors I want to highlight from his mark and I just WanNa say this market is very small. It is a it is a parking lot in front of tennis courts. It's not that big. What's great is if you go if you go early enough, you can park right next to it. So you can literally park behind the vendors go one, block, one, city block, get all your stuff and go right to your car. It's very fast. Any fly balls had anybody. Yeah. There's a person who just throws tennis balls at you horribly now it's. Kind of soft. Yeah. You're right across balls are baseball. Yeah. It's not like the farmers market by the golf course no no, that's true. That's. Scary, it's people running screaming grabbing, fennel and leaving. You have to wear. You have to go to get one of those head but you. Get over. there. You. Here's some vendors I wanNA highlight Smith. Farms. They are one hundred percent certified organic. They had the most mouth-watering I mean it's Mellon season. Let's just beyond on. They had the most mouth-watering watermelons and cantaloupes. I've ever wrapped my little lip smackers around. And they're putting your whole mouth around Mellon. I. Well, I knew I can unhinge my jaw like a snake. Goba Mellon whole. Wow. Does it taste is good? No because it's the inside a little bit skin off. They, have it all. Carrots Beets Kale celery rows and rows of. Beautiful beautiful tomatoes. Okay. I just WanNa take a moment and I know this has been a joke recently because we are in tomato season and like the only thing that anyone can talk about because. It's who's joking about today. There's been a bunch of like Internet jokes about like I love how we literally are in the middle of Hell on earth and our political system is falling into the ocean and our sense of decency and yet we can get all of us are like, thank God. It's tomatoes. Oh, fair enough now it because here's the thing I think tomatoes I will be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't like tomato. Do you know anybody I only like cherry and grapes meadows. Yes. But you like tomato avocado words like some people are like can't ever do I like a really good tomato well who I mean of course. I'd like and that's That's why I want to just take a little second to talk about the tomato. It is my favorite favorite fruit. We all I mean, we know it's a vegetable but no, we don't. It's a it's fruit but I, we all call it eventually because I'm sorry, it's salty. Salt it's not. It doesn't taste like a guy if you put it right next to a sun kiss. There's there's. No question. I. Am Tomato head sure are and my my family I don't talk about this very often. But until I was in second grade, my family lived in very rural part of Texas and we had a farm and we grew corn and tomatoes green beans the for hearing of this talk about it because it was I was GonNa say, sad part is actually one of the most magical parts of my life, my kindergarten. School lunches were fresh from the farm and I wonder you love farmers markets so much. I Love Farmers Market because it reminds me of when I was. Very. Poor. But I I didn't know your report I just knew my parents grew green beans and corn and I I love vegetables because of this. And it was fun. We had a farm and it was fun. and. It was just the four of US banning it wasn't like a big. It wasn't like whatever like an hoosiers your favorite movie like when they're like driving tractor, we didn't have after. I did see my mom murderous snake wants to tell you the story the sake a gun. This is back before when the guy gun laws for snakes. Strike Okay. She'd know she beheaded it with a shovel. Oh, sure. Classic West Texas or I don't know maybe by. Panhandle yeah. I know plenty of mothers who have beheaded snakes. My. Children exactly rattlers. It wasn't. Out. Scorpions, rattlesnakes up there. My point is about tomatoes I. Love Tomatoes I. Have I have been blessed with childhood where I have eaten strawberries straight from the vine. Just like faith, Hill Yeah. Green beans straight from a garden like been very lucky. So when I taste bad tomato, I get fucking angry and I don't know if you know about this book called Tomato Land How modern industrial agricultural, destroyed, our most alluring fruit I'll tell. My Bible Barry S Brook. He's my crush. That's my Bible and he's my crush just like the real by just Jesus. I don't know that book. It's a it's a near times bestseller about this sounds like a beach raid. Sounds great you'RE GONNA same call other book okay. Hello. It's about how fucking crazy it is. You go to a grocery store and you buy tomato and it tastes like nothing. Oh I have heard about this book taste like nothing and it's sad. So when you tasted good tomato. Cow It should be you should always be tasted good tomatoes. You should never be tasting bad tomatoes bad. Tomatoes are a symptom of agricultural meltdown. And the fact that they're like it's a tomato what's the problem? It tastes like fucking plastic. Yeah. I think that's the problem. Is that a lot of times? Tomatoes or strawberries or if this whole thing they literally tastes like nothing. So what's The fucking point? Yeah, there's no. Where's the nutrients? Where's the like? Why Right? Also at the farmers. So anyway, that's a whole thing. So read that book if you're as crazy about tomatoes Zaim and also it's tomato season. So get wrap your lips around some tomatoes. I you could do this is this is about circular things. You can put your mouth. Yes. I would also like to talk about at the farmer's market one of my other favorite places. which is the place JP seafood Jane pc food who's also at the Hollywood farmers market. They're all over the farmer's markets in La. The triangle of relationships that happen at this. That this cart are fascinating a so it is. To say a farmer's market crowd is something else this conversations this trio? Okay. So If you go to the Monday market. You'RE GONNA, get the son of the owner. And his sister-in-law, his Ex sister-in-law they work that one. Okay. They hate each other. And it's fucking obvious. and He tried to be charming to the customers, but they hate each other. To a point where I now will stand in line. There's a long line to get fish because they're always have the best fish. I will just watch them. Sure I roll throwing. If you go to Hollywood market on. Sunday. You get his ex wife and her sister. So essentially, there's three people involved in this business is like succession. Fish secession. Yeah. It's the Ex. It's the guy who started the business his son. Okay and the ex wife run the business, but they're never in the same card at the same time. Yeah but the sister-in-law Aka, the sister is always at both cards. So the vibe with the sisters is fantastic and the vibe with the ex husband and the sister-in-law is no good. No good. Yeah. I don't even know if the ex wife an ex husband ever speak because I don't know if they could be in the same place I kinda WanNa see it, but it's mafioso. Family business that's exactly what it feels like. They have fantastic. Make smoked salmon. That's like really good by the way if you have the time. Flight La Monday hop. Album Lewis Expensive. Delta. Flight you can get on. No time you can make your own locks. Or something saltbox. Yeah. So if you get a good fish because because oftentimes, if you go to places like this is very expensive to get to get. Locks each make it yourself. It takes a couple of days. Also, you can put almonds in a blender for like five minutes and make your own almond butter just everybody knows and there's now nut milk machines. Do you know about this talking about me? Yes, the last thing I'll talk about I'll talk about two more things that I love at this farmer's market great place for Ohi Farms is where I get my organic herbs and here's what I do every week I get. dill, Tarragon Chives, Basil Parsley slaughter on time every week I get it. If I don't use all of those by the end of the week, I chop not all of them but. Good amount into in a in a blender, and then I put it was eggs and I make her for Totta I make. So. Good. Or you can also take herbs and and the great thing about it for. Tatas. It's good for a few weeks. You know yeah. She put in the fridge and keep eating. It's Oh I made one of my specialty four week for Tatas. legit sounds delicious. He's also take the herbs, Chop them up individually put them in olive oil into an ice cube tray and put them in the freezer. Yes Nigel Lawson does this. Yes. I believe that's where I got. Oh, I have to tell you this is the sidebar. Do you know how long I've known you almost ten years. Maybe. Ten Years I would say, yeah. That sounds right last night. I came home my husband had made. Guess what kind of chicken? Finally. Dina Gardens yes. We'd never had it ever. How was it? It was the most delicious simple. It was so simple. I, Miss. Yeah I should have you guys over and I'll make love I. Literally have never had anyone over. I literally have into my new place in six months. No one's been over got reminds me I I keep bringing. I bought something from Peru it still has not made it. Sweet. This is this is going to be the my my girlfriend in Niagara Falls. Like we'll see if it exists. Okay let me talk about one more thing. You can. Also this guy is also at the Hollywood market on Sunday see what I mean it's a disgrace. Mondays distilled ever feel like you're being cheated on. Yeah, every time every time I make a transaction I know. All the time. I'm getting fucked in. Do you ever feel like they're cheating on you at a different farmer's market or not. I do think vibes are different in each market. So sometimes, they don't recognize me take it personally of course. Yeah. There is a gentleman who makes chicken. His name is John Phillips, and he makes this delicious rotisserie chicken as a truck just as registered chicken You can also get satisfied potatoes and Broccoli with with his own herbs and. Once you have suck the meat from that bone. You can make the most delicious stock you've ever had. Also did with gardens chicken, I I do that is do that was the time I also chicken now I didn't know this but I'm John Phillips who who runs his chicken. Truck Abuse Daughters in the Mamas and Papas we know. was on Jonathan Gold's is on Jonathan Gold One, hundred one whatever in. L. A.. Changed. His Life I. Bet changed his life. Apparently he's big in the Manhattan Beach farmers market so must really bum amount to go to. West. Hollywood on a Monday and be like where's my where my fans? Manhattan. Beach food scenes like on the rise. Yeah. It's on the rise. Now, I want you to be mindful when you're dropping F bombs at this farmer's market because they. Oh. Constant school tours. Kids coming to learn because. They learn how to use reusable bags to. Cook recipes is a really cool. They have this thing. The thing that I don't like, and this is why I'm only going to give this nine out of ten cotton Candy Grapes because I do love this place. And it's complicated why I don't like it they. If you go to farmers markets in L. A., you'll notice that there's oftentimes live music. Which I didn't know until I started doing research on this that they're actually paid to do that. It's one hundred and fifty dollars for three hours which I think is a fantastic. Okay to have a reward. In town now. There is a woman. Who plays outside of the farmers market both on Sunday melrose market and Monday market. What's happening inside? Yes, saxophone plus keyboard. And I. I give her like good for you. For doing, AB, a block down. Also there's an application process to complain inside and if you haven't been able to play inside, maybe you need some more lessons and I'm sorry I know that sounds mean but I this is such a nice calm experience amongst the fuck and chaos of this town. To hear someone playing saxophone that sounds like it's being sent through a recorder. Yeah. I. I can't I can't do it. I. Don't like live music when I'm eating live music when I'm shopping I, don't like a period. I really don't. That's all I got on the Helen Alpert, certified farmers, market nine out of ten K.. C. CG's. Okay. So we had I had a we had a very good discussion on instagram about a sign that I posted from whole foods is please do not use your reusable bags to shop. So someone posted on my instrument why do people insist on using their own beds bags instead of a car or basket that sign is in every store near me here is the discussion. Because if you're disabled, it's not always possible to push a cart. If, you're in a wheelchair I see you need to shop with a bag race or let's say you have a walker or you know what I mean like it's not always possible and. It. As this person, daisy downtown said. One Hand if you're using one hand to use a cane means you only have another hand to do the functions, which is hold the basket and get off the shelf using your own tote hanging off your shoulder solves that problem I got a wonderful direct message from at S K webster. Who loved the groceries? Our first episode? Her Dad is a lifer and sin so started. As a clerk and now works corporate and. She asked him to listen to it because she was just like I think you'll enjoy it. So he listened to the whole thing and he said that at their next meeting, he's GonNa share the complaint about the loop selection. So, Albertson's glued game might be getting chased reached. The complaints been filed to God Tom. This is exciting. How can you imagine this late break egg does this podcast in any form of change the landscape of groceries tires just might it just might. So she she said I could share it and So. Yes. Shoutout to S K windsors father. Congrats on your climate Alex ends. We had another. Listener Oh, go ahead. But she also wrote back and said he's not exactly your target audience but he'd loved the shoutout. Any might be the key to subversive indoctrination of DAD's everywhere. This becomes a Dad Podcast I. I will be very happy with that. Brings MOMS, and DADS together. That's what I want. This could be the parent trap GMC. Once how do I avoid spending sixteen dollars on mushrooms at the farmer's market when I have to Chitchat and look into the of a very nice and attractive mushroom farmer that is what is that is what the minute you form I I'm the weakest form a connection with someone that they can make me buy anything. Here's the thing if you're to spend that money because you want to look into the eyes of a hot man or woman. then. You just need to figure out a mushroom recipes you gotta make best of it. Okay someone said question for the pod this Brian David One thousand nine. This is a this is a quiz. Okay. Okay. You have nothing at home to make dinner and only fifteen minutes is spent at the grocery store. What do you do extra points if you don't go right to the road chick shed I, do a salad bar that also a cheat though I just got I would go to the salad bar or the prepared foods I know that's maybe a cheese. I have a really fast recipe if you want to cook okay. Flank steak corn on the COB grill air state corn on the COB it does to want to grill though you're right. Time at all. So it takes no time to just get. It depends on how many people are online at the meet meet thing I don't like to eat red meat that often, but it's pretty delicious. Really. Fast meal get a get a get a piece of poached salmon. Or? Get a piece of just get a salmon fillet, wrap it but put a bunch of salt and pepper on it. Rapid Foil. Put it in your oven at four twenty, five for ten minutes. That's fast and easy. slink cohorts said speaking of shopping carts. Can we get some sort of award to the person who invented the cards that are between a handbasket in a regular card? I love those. You see mostly pharmacies like walgreens and stuff. They have the like the costs like cart totes. There has to be some sort of and I'm thinking specifically of target, which is not a Gr-. Well, it is a grocery store analogous but. The cars are big. It's to encourage you to buy more shit right. So It's almost anti their own profit margin to give you a small car yet places do it and I prefer it. I will fill up a small cart more than the big cart, the bigger, the cart, the bigger the expectation. Thank you so much. If you have any questions, you can always dm us right at throwing shade on Instagram and We've maxed out on the totes where we're sending out but we might have a supplies coming up which we might be creating our own tout a groceries totes I'll see you later. Okay. Yeah. I'll see you at the I also. podcasts reach millions of engage listeners just like you and thousands of new listeners get turned onto podcasts every day that's why brands of all sizes are using podcast to reach engaged audiences. 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359. Should America Be Run by  Trader Joes? (Rebroadcast)

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359. Should America Be Run by Trader Joes? (Rebroadcast)

"Rush podcast listeners this week. We are replaying for you. One of our most popular episodes from last year. It's called. Should america be run by by trader. Joe's among the many things that makes trader joe's and unusual company is that they turned down pretty much all media requests so as you'll hear in this episode we never did get to interview any current trader joe's personnel but after the episode ran we did get a letter from the firm's ceo dan bane in your latest freakonomics radio podcast he wrote you pose the question. Should america be run by trader. Joe's we are pretty sure. Such work would likely require a coat hooton tie. We lake hawaiian shirts so we will pass. Thanks so you'll hear from any current trader joe's personnel in this rebroadcast either her hope you enjoy it nonetheless the let's play shark tank today. You're the investors shark tank. If you don't know is the t._v. Show where people pitch business ideas to famous investors. You might be mark cuban or mr wonderful. You're trying to decide. Would you invest and that is michael roberto. He's a business professor at bryant university formerly of the harvard business school. There's one lecture. He likes to start by giving his students. This fictional shark tank pitch. I'd like to open a new kind of grocery store. We're not gonna have any branded items. It's all going to be private label. We're going to have a no television advertising and no social media whatsoever. We're never going to have anything on sale. We're not going to accept coupons john's. We'll have no loyalty card. We won't have a circular that appears in the sunday newspaper will have no self checkout. We won't have wide aisles or big parking lots. Would you invest in my company. And of course you're supposed to think there is no way i'd invest in that company. That sounds like the stupidest company ever ever and of course get a lot of consternation. That's when roberto reveals that not only does such a grocery store already exist but they're crushing the competition there at the top op by a wide wide margin the sales per square footage estimates are unbelievable means three and four times better some of the leading players in the industry so sounds. He's like customers. Love this place but you might think a store like this would be brutal to work for and yet it's ranked among the hundred best american companies to work for so so what's it called trader. Joe's trader joe's turkey. Joe's trader joe's trader. Joe's i do love trader. Joe's there is a good chance you have never shopped at a trader. Joe's maybe never even heard of it. It's got fewer than five hundred stores. The big chains like kroger and albertsons have well over two thousand walmart sells groceries more than four thousand of its stores and as michael roberto told us trader joe's doesn't advertise advertise or do a lot of things typical grocery store. Does the typical grocery store has a skew count. <hes> excuse for stock keeping unit so it's a number of different items carrying a store grocery store supermarket might have thirty five thousand skews right a tremendous selection variety you go to trader joe's and they only have say three the stock keeping units and the typical trader joe's grocery business is famous for low profit margins lots of competition and lately an even bigger your problem for the first time in history. American consumers are spending more money in restaurants and bars than in grocery stores trader. Joe's seems to be bucking in this downward trend. It doesn't just have customers. It has fans the first thing i do when i know i'm going somewheres. Get on the internet and find where the closest trader joses. It's never been easy to run a grocery chain trader. Joe's makes it look easy and weirdly fun. I don't walk into trader. Trader joes with a strong to do list. It's not a chore when i walk into trader. Joe's it's a variety seeking exercise. So how did he do it. That's the question will try to answer today. A question made more difficult by the fact that trader joe's is a fairly secretive company. I think that some of the secrecy is probably due to who owns them so we put on our freakonomics goggles in an attempt to reverse engineer the secrets it's of trader joe's which it turns out are incredibly fr- economical things like choice architecture decision theory things like nudging being and an embrace of experimentation in fact if freakonomics. We're grocery store. It might be a trader joe's or at least try to be. It's like a real life case study of behavioral economics at work so here's the big question if trader joe's really so good should their philosophy be applied elsewhere trader joe's. I can't believe i'm going to say this but should trader joe's be running america <music> from stitcher and governor productions. This is freakonomics radio the podcast that explores the hidden side side of everything. Here's your host stephen duffner. I got that interested in traderjoes about ten years ago. Never been to one of their stores but i had a general impression cheap and cheerful relatively laid back and sort of groovy for grocery store apparently reflection of its surface california roots also not aggressively health conscious but leaning in that direction and then i read head wall street journal article about german grocery chain called aldy that was ramping up its u._s. Expansion all the is a super cheap super generic a grocery store more than ninety percent of its products were house brands and it was beating even walmart on price. The article said the chain had two branches back in germany separately separately owned by two wealthy brothers named albrecht and that one of those branches also owned trader joe's i found this fact surprising only because when i think of german business practices i don't think of a groovy earthy crunchy california surfer vibe but there it was. I also learned that trader. Joe's stores were much smaller typical supermarkets that they had their own way of doing things and the places without trader. Joe's often started petitions to bring one to their town. It was the sort of loony devotion usually reserved for sports teams your favorite band kinda grocery store the following like that and then when i learned that a trader joe's out sells all other grocery stores per square foot. I really started paying attention. Then one opened up near my office here in new york started shopping there and for the most part loving it. I realize it's not for everyone in fact predator strategy trying not to be for everyone but i did want to know the secrets to their success we reached out to the trader. Joe's headquarters in monrovia california and we're politely told to get lost as we mentioned earlier. The company is known for secrecy. The two brothers who founded audi north and south in germany. You know have a record of that michael roberto again that was kind of the family heritage of early being pretty secretive about their business operations and really they weren't even you couldn't even find photos of them like on the internet for years. I mean they were very secretive. It's a strange combination affirm that prides itself on user-friendliness while also keeping its distance which means that a lot of what's known about it comes from industry analysts and other secondary sources blitz start here in the very beginning. There really was a joe behind trader. Joe's joe cologne salaam. He opened the first store in nineteen sixty seven in pasadena california. He went with a south seas theme b._t. Judges hawaiian shirts. It's calling employees captains and crew members in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine colom sold the chain to one of the secretive albrecht brothers feel feel. Theo albrecht was recluse. Perhaps it was said because he had once been kidnapped and held for ransom for seventeen days in germany albrecht bricked died in two thousand ten betrayer. Joe's remains notoriously press shy. It's also a privately held company so no earnings calls also with investment analysts no public proclamations of any sort really about how it does business and so to figure out how it works will rely on a few people who've spent a lot of time thinking about trader joe's including the business school professor michael roberto whom you've already met correct also the columbia business the school professor sheena anger whose research specialty is particularly relevant here so i've been studying choice. Why do we want choice. What are the things that affect how how in what we choose and what are some things we can do to improve our choice making abilities. We'll also talk to a trader joe's superfan. My name is kirk. Disarma- serbia i reside in seward alaska seward by the way does not have a trader joe's nor does the state of alaska. The closest store from serving as house is two thousand two hundred ninety five miles away by car in bellingham washington to serbia is the guy who heard earlier say this the first thing i do. Uh when i know i'm going somewhere is get on the internet and find where the closest trader joe's is and we'll hear from a spy in the house of trader joe's a former advertising the executive named mark gardener who became obsessed with the chain and i just had this thought like you know what if i just went and workfare. What would i learn about. This company. Gardner learned about the company it is it just about everything trader joe's does outside of exchanging food for money is unorthodox for modern grocery store. There's a lot to talk about the products of course the economics of their business model. They're very homemade. Do it yourself aesthetic including the hand painted murals that reflect the neighborhood of every store but let's start with one of the first things i noticed when i started shopping there the employees yes. They are friendly and helpful and enthusiastic nick chair. Joe is what they want his employees who have sampled the product who know the product who can say have you tried this wine or that cheese but what really caught my eye was the sheer number of employees. There are so many of them. If you go in during slow time you can easily outnumbered by employees and their t._j.'s t shirts. It's and hawaiian prints. One reason is that rather than stocking shelves overnight like most grocery stores trader. Joe's stocks them during business hours. Why mark gardiner learned when he went to work there. The priority is to maximize customer interaction so they would tell us. They're going to be looking for customers customers who seem like they can't find something that they want or just seem curious about something. You're gonna initiate conversations with these people and that we want you to be friendly. We want you to be shoddy. We want you to be empathetic and more than anything else. We want you to do what it takes to make customers. Dreamers feel appreciated and wanted so that explains why there's so many employees in the aisles but they're also a ton of employees staffing the checkout so on one level. This makes sense makes the long checkout line move fast and check out after all where store takes the customers money lesson number one in sales. Don't make it hard for people to give you their money but trader joe's also has employees directing traffic at the checkout line one telling you which registered go to one pulling out of the big q and into the final q. and one or two holding up handmade signs ends marking the middle of the queue and the beginning. That's three or four employees to do the job that most stores us zero employees to do or maybe they use some software. The trader joe's seems to be aggressively low tech. No self checkout aisles no online ordering and pick up no customer loyalty programs grams and apparently trader joe's gathers no significant data on customers at all in the modern business world. This is heresy. If if you shop at whole foods which is owned by amazon you can be sure the company has an algorithm target on your back trader. Joe's meanwhile really really didn't matter if it was a little old lady that was looking for one five dollar bottle of wine and if the wine shipment had just come in the back and i would go and look can look through one hundred different cases and see if i could find the one that she wanted and get her that one bottle of wine if i spent fifteen minutes doing that and that made that customer really happy then the managers were happy and the store was happy so this is a riddle here's a company that doesn't harness big data and doesn't generally seem to embrace a lot of technology it employs a lot of real live people and he's them above the industry standard as of two thousand thirteen fulltime trader. Joe's crew members made about fifty thousand dollars a year while captains made more than one hundred thousand also with better than average. It's benefits but this is also a company that sells its products at very low prices. According to one of those investigations comparing a basket of items at a bunch bunch of different grocery stores this one was done in two thousand sixteen by the market watch website in the san francisco bay area trader joe's was easily the cheapest compared to safeway target and whole foods was thirty two percent cheaper than whole foods so how on earth can trader joe's as michael roberto told us taking the most revenue new per square foot in the industry there at the top by a wide wide margin a two thousand twelve analysis estimated that trader joe's sells just over two thousand thousand dollars of groceries per square foot wholefoods about twelve hundred dollars walmart six hundred dollars. How is this happening. We should probably start with the products trainer. Jim sells here. Let me read off some of what they say are the most popular items spatchcock lemon rosemary chicken and carne asada authentic kohlrabi salad blend and cold pressed macho green tea lemonade seesaw and turbans sugar chocolate oakland almonds and go jong almonds peanut butter filled pretzels and five seed almond bars from the freezer section chicken tikka masala and gluten free cheese pizza with the cauliflower crust. These are the sorts of foods that laid up instagram accounts and facebook pages that inspire inspire fanatical devotion. Even among people who don't have a trader joe's within twenty three hundred miles like kirk to serbia who works as a facilities manager manager for the national park service in alaska. Whenever i leave the state i usually by a couple of hundred dollars worth of goods and i have an extra a suitcase or duffel bag with me in my luggage to serbia and his duffel bag have been all over. I've been i know to some in portland. Portland oregon <hes> reno nevada all over southern california. There's a number of them. My wife is from kentucky and so we've been to two. They have one in louisville now as well as indianapolis i go to d._c. About once a year for work and end love to go to the trader joe's and georgetown what is it about trader joe's foods that create such such a lust. Let's put aside for moment. The question of how good their food is especially since taste is subjective at least to some degree but there are a few do things to say about how trader joe's at least different from typical grocery store. I there is a sense of globetrotting adventure the thika masala the karni asada go jong almonds. That's why sheena anger thinks of shopping there as exercise. Let's see what kind of candy bars they have. They usually have kuchen parts. Let's see what kind of deals they might have on wines or cheeses or they're prepared foods sections kind of cool what what might they have that could add some more variety to the house the also offer a rather unsubtle blend of healthy or at least healthy seeming and hedonistic mystic. Yes you can buy kohlrabi salad and cauliflower pizza but you've also got your peanut butter filled pretzels and seesaw turbotax sugar chocolate almonds speaking of which turban nado sugar also known as natural brown sugar but still sugar. Why add the turbo. I have a few guesses one to say. You're just adding sugar to your already. Chocolate covered almonds doesn't sound very very healthy but turban sugar. <hes> intriguing possibly even sophisticated additionally trader. Joe's this seems to understand what everyone in sales understands. Especially real estate agents adjectives inexpensive often useful especially when the actual virtues are limited a charming house is often in fact a small house trader joe's reportedly puts great deal of effort into scouting sourcing and producing food that their customers truly love but they also pay a lot of attention to package design and descriptive salesmanship salesmanship their marketing director is called director of words and phrases and clauses they publish an old fashioned newsprint bulletin the the fearless flyer with indepth descriptions of new products when you walk into a trader joe's there's playful vibe as if to say hey you just buying food. Food is delicious so enjoy yourself is also an artsy vibe. A writer leave five more so oddly oddly enough then in a typical bookstore these details as casual as they might seem would also appear to be strategic in two thousand eleven interview with the l. a. times joe colom said when he started trader joe's in the nineteen sixties he was inspired by an article he read in scientific american about the huge spike in americans attending college. I felt this newly educated. Class of people would want something different. You were called and that was the genesis <unk> of trader joe's why did he choose pasadena as the first store location because he said pasadena is the epitome of a well educated town trader joe's is for over educated and underpaid people for all the classical musicians museum curator's and <hes> journalists. What's he said this suggests from the very beginning trader joe's understood cream skimming targeting a certain kind of customer and leading the rest slide by as for the underpaid part of columbus equation that would appear to be outdated and analysis by time magazine found that as of two thousand fifteen gene trader joe's stores were located in counties with higher household median income than any other grocery chain including whole foods and about ten thousand one dollars higher than u._s. median income but in this seems to be another key component of trader joe's success they also value for galaxy is michael roberto found they usually set up shop in the cheaper parts of the expensive areas frankly in many cases there in sort of old strip malls so they've saved money on the real estate. The real estate firms terms zillow found that homes near trader joe's stores appreciate more quickly than homes in the city as a whole concluding that either trader joe's is really picking areas that are on the rise or that. They are in part causing the rise. So how about a new store in seward alaska ask that is kirk discern is dream so i started a facebook page called. Bring trader joe's to alaska. This was in two thousand twelve twelve. I thought man these guys. Maybe they just don't know what they're missing yet. <hes> and if i can create this facebook page and i can get people around the state to start liking it and sending traderjoes an email to say hey we would really love to see your store here than maybe trader. Joe's will actually listen to us so so after one of his out of town trader joe's shopping binges when i come home with a suitcase full. I like to throw it on the kitchen table and take a picture of it in put it out there hopefully to motivate people to send that email to trader joe's and let them know where we're out here. His facebook page got some traction about twelve hundred likes i would say most of my friends in seward are where that <hes>. This is something that i'd like to see happen unless you think serbia is one of those guys who makes a facebook page for everything. No some of my friends might say i'm fairly politically active but honestly. I can't think of any other store that i might think to start a page to bring up here. Seward alaska does have a relatively high median household income but the population relation is a problem fewer than three thousand people to serbia concedes anchorage a few hours away would be more sensible site for the first trader joe's in alaska ask and he'd happily make the drive. He just really wants a trader. Joe's every time i go to a trader joe's in the lower forty-eight. They always look sideways at me when i when i'm getting two to three hundred dollars worth of goods but i tell them you know it's because we live in alaska. We can't get you guys come up here and since i started this page in two thousand twelve and they've never responded to single email it seems a little unlikely but hopefully they're going to listen to this interview and and then all my percentage will go up coming up after the break. We'll get into the economic details of trader. Hey joe success. We'll hear how they flipped the script on customer relations just imagine if you would one if you changed the rules. What if you guys were both on the same side and will answer the question. We know you've been thinking what does trader. Joe's have in common with michelangelo slow. It's coming up right after this freakonomics radio sponsored by planet m john manelli founder and c._e._o. At airspace experienced means technologies landed his company in michigan because he believes that in michigan revolution is in the air planet m agrees they're working hard to support and grow the state's mobility the ecosystem with powerful matchmaking an entrepreneurial resources. The next big thing in mobility is happening in michigan. Find out what planet m can offer. Your business is at planet m dot com. That's p. l. a. n. e. t. m. dot com <music> of all the mysteries concerning the success of trader. Joe's here's what strikes me as the most interesting one. Their stores as we've learned are generally quite small roughly a third the size of typical supermarket michael roberto again. We're all acclimated to every other supermarket. Mark looks the same and has thirty five thousand items in a seven million varieties of toothpaste tomato sauce. Every other player has all those things betrayer joe's they only have say three thousand stock keeping units and the typical trader joe's or four thousand most in one of their larger stores moreover as we've learned trader joe's prices this is our relatively low and yet they also take in much higher revenues than stores have more variety and more expensive items so how remember trader joe's doesn't sell a lot of brand name groceries roughly eighty percent of their products are private label. Items also known as store brands hands. What that means is trader. Joe's has mitigated the power. The suppliers might have over them so while they're not nearly as big krogers and they can get great purchasing power because they're condensing all they're buying in tomato sauce to one vendor for a very limited number of items and when you're selling something that you also manufacturer or at least source directly you obviously stand to make more money than if you're buying from a middleman that said even store branded products taste good judging from the chain success. They do in fact some trader. Joe's branded items may taste identical to brand name foods. Why because it appears they are identical an investigation by the food website eater using freedom of information act request. I found that many trader joe's items are in fact manufactured by the same companies that make the brand name versions of products you combine many other grocery stores usually for for significantly more money for instance. Those trader joe's pita chips sea salt. They appeared to be exactly the same as stacy's simply naked could pita chips trader. Joe's gluten free chocolate chip cookies according to the investigation are quote nearly identical in taste packaging and ingredients to tate's bake shop cookies. There's nothing wrong with this and it's hardly unusual for brand name manufacturers to run side business selling to private labels but most places that sell a lot of house brands are seen as downmarket discounters not upmarket superstars like trader joe's so so why are they different. Some of the credit must go to the clever packaging and the artful product descriptions but to get to the real secret of trader. Joe's would i think might be the single biggest reason for its success. You have to go back to sheena anger and i have been at the columbia business school since nineteen ninety eight and i started to study choice way back in nineteen ninety anger's p._h._d. Is in social psychology as an undergrad. She double majored in psychology and economics. She's born in toronto to parents who immigrated from india india her background. She believes gave her a different perspective. On decision-making when she started working in the field and i got very interested in the kinds of of questions that we wouldn't have ordinarily asked like well to all cultures see choice in the same way we had assumed that it was an eight we had assumed assume that everybody saw it the same way that somehow universal and i i think because i was an asian american. I didn't see it as that obvious she. You wanted to explore this question with kids from different backgrounds. Her theory was asian american kids in white. American kids might think differently about choice before comparing the two groups. She wanted to establish a baseline to confirm that for the white kids choice indeed had a positive effect this baseline. He's line. Experiment turned out to be pretty interesting on its own. Here's how it worked. She brought a bunch of three year olds. One by one into a room full of toys half of them were allowed to choose any toy and they could switch as they pleased the other half would be given just one toy with no option to switch which i started by looking at white american kids because i had to first show that i'm capable of replicating what prior scientists would say what prior scientists would say and and had been saying for decades is that choice is motivating that having choice or even the illusion of choice is associated with increased satisfaction action and feeling more control over your life therefore the kids who could choose their toy should be happier for having the options and more likely to play longer these ideas about choice were prominent not just in psychology baked into the foundation of economic thinking at the time that more choice is almost always always better than less choice but when anger started her study and brought in the kids who could choose from an entire room full of toys the white kids kids would come in and they would look at all these toys and stay outside the window and then when i would just give them legos there were really happy being playing and i was like wait this code against what i'm supposed to find this something wrong here so anger went back and examined some of those earlier studies about choice and making she realized that when those researchers described giving people lots of choice in reality that meant something like two to six options not a room full like she had tried so anger ran different study this time limiting the number of choices and now she confirmed what her predecessors i had found but she kept thinking about what happened in that first study with the room full of toys. Why were they staring out the window. I don't get it. I gave them really really cool toys. I gave them all the most modern toys at the same time. I was going to this upscale grocery store. The store is called triggers market. It's northern california institution i- anger was at stanford at the time so they had like two hundred fifty different kinds of mustards and vinegar deniger and mayonnaise and five hundred different kinds of fruits and vegetables and one hundred different kinds of all then oh my god it was amazing and i would go to all these little tasting sessions sessions and try out like ten different kinds of vinegars and i also then thought to myself well how come you never by any of those things you taste and and i then went to the store manager and i asked him whether his model of offering people all this choice was working now he said it did and and he pointed to the traffic and the store did have a lot of traffic but it was still an empirical question. Was it helping or was it not so angered designed an experiment experiment at triggers to answer the question she set up a tasting booth for jams and she alternated the choice set. Sometimes the booth would feature six different different jams and sometimes twenty four and we looked at two things first we looked at in which case did more people stopped the sample some jam and we found more people stopped when they were twenty four on display sixty percent stopped when they were twenty four on display versus when there were six on display only forty percent of the people stopped opt and then when people stopped we gave everybody a coupon giving them one dollar off if they bought a jar of jam and in the back of the coupon was a code that told hold us if they saw six versus twenty four now what we found was that of the people who stopped when there were twenty four hundred display only only three percent of those coupons were redeemed. Where's of the people who stopped when there were six on display. Thirty per cent scent of the coupons were redeemed interesting allergic choice set generates more interest use the smaller choice set generates more action cina angers jammed study very simple but very powerful we go on to become one of the most famous studies studies in decision science because it illustrates what a lot of us feel when we enter for instance gigantic supermarket with the finding illustrated we said sit we want more choice presumably because of all the opportunities it provides us but when it comes down to making a choice we don't want that choice to be too hard harder to conflict ridden or two burdensome i- anger followed up her jam study with a look at employee participation in retirement savings plans essentially what we found was that the plans that offered their employees more options you saw real decrease in participation rates so oh you had a plan that offered people less than five options <hes> the likelihood to participate was roughly around seventy five per cent and by the time you got plans that offered people around sixty options now participation rates had dropped below sixty percent. This phenomenon has come to be called the paradox of choice but i- anger doesn't think that's quite right. It's not that more choices always worse than that. Less is always better. She argues is it. Choice is both a limiting and powerful tool. Every context is different. You can imagine that a huge choice set is particularly really welcome in the digital realm where you can search for exactly what you want with a few key strokes assuming that is you know what you want but in the analog world in the world world of a grocery store for instance the size of a choice set matters not just because of the cost of real estate and transportation storage storage and labor to stock the shelves but because of how we people make decisions envision a shelf in typical supermarket it has seven million there is a toothpaste in a tomato sauce and a trader joe's shelf it doesn't overwhelming it usually gives me just a few choices per domain and having having just a few choices per domain is more likely to lead to action imagine yourself standing in i'll and trader joe's and you come across their are five seed almond bars and your lizard brain says well. There are no foresee domin bars or six seed in bars. I don't even know waya needs seeds almond bar but sure i think i'll get some of those trader. Joe's understands less is more. It understands to use a word of the moment curation. They don't overwhelm me with choice. Which is why you're more willing to examine each novel choice and there is a story probably not true about michelangelo. Someone supposedly asked him how difficult it had been to sculpt upped his famous david and he said it's easy just chip away the stone. That doesn't look like david. I am not saying trader. Joe's is quite on michelangelo's level level but you get the idea. There is great value in clearing away. The clutter which is one reason sheena anger personally loves <unk> shopping at trader. Joe's it doesn't give me the boring stuff right. It keeps me excited because i want to see what do they have. And what do they have. That might get me thinking about something. I don't ordinarily think about so they also maintain the mystery of novelty for me. Novelty is also a powerful tool in sales and this is to trader joe's understands it is famous for constantly introducing new products experimenting with them really which means old products have to go. Maybe they'll come back. Maybe they won't this strategy would appear to be risky normally and the typical grocery store. The item that you typically bought isn't there. You're really pest right. You're matt michael roberto again it trader. Joe's customers have come to understand that that's part of the trade off. You might see your peach mango salsa disappear but there'll be something new to try that you can offer at your next cocktail party and while people with our notes this strategy also gives every trip to trader joe's a sense serve a treasure hunt but that our appetite for novelty is domain specific. I deliberately go into that venue. The venue being trader joe's because i wanna learn about some choices. I'm trying to update my brain on choices but when when i go into my coffee shop in the morning i do not engage in any act of updating. I don't wanna know i walk into my coffee shop. Every morning. Joining say anything they just bring me out exactly what they bring me every other day and it's made exactly the same and i have no interest in engaging in any kind of variety seeking <hes> <hes> i discovered trader joe's totally by accident. That's mark gardener again. The former advertising executive who end up working at traderjoes. He was living in california oranje at the time. I thought it was a local store but had a kind of a surf theme and i didn't know any better because they don't do any advertising. I i was exposed to it because it happened to be in my neighborhood. Then gardner moved to kansas city. Yes and that's when i really learned about trader joe's as a company because there was no trader joe's but there were these rumors of it. We're gonna gotta trader joe's and there was so much excitement. There's a facebook page. Age called bring trader joe's to kansas city that has five thousand friends as a former advertising guy gardner was impressed. I think the number the number one thing that struck me about trader joe's is that they almost don't advertise at all. They don't market they. They have of a pretty good website now but but for years that a rudimentary website they had almost no social media presence they had almost almost no kind of public relations so they didn't do a whole bunch of the things that i had spent my entire working life thinking thinking well. You know these are the things that you do when you build a brand so that was really striking to me and i had this thought like you know what if i went and worked there. What would i learn about this company. Gardiner learned enough about the company by working there that he wrote a book about it called to build a brand like trader. Joe's how did trader joe's respond well as you know. There are very very secretive company so they responded <hes> <hes> exactly the way i expected which was with utter silence. What initially impressed gardner was how trader joe's had grown so much without spending spending all the money that most firms spend on marketing advertising and so on but what impressed him once he got inside working as a crew member for twelve dollars an hour was the company's culture well before the new kansas city store had opened on the first or second day of training a trader. Joe's executive came in to meet with roughly fli fifty new hires including gardner. The proceedings began with that standard horrifying request to say your name and tell a story about yourself and i am not kidding you. Fifty hands went up. It was like all these people were picked me. I want to be the first. I wanna start. I want to tell you my story and i looked around at that that group of hands going up and mine was up to you know because i'm because i love talking about myself but but most people don't at least not a group of strangers and i thought wow this is not an ordinary group of people and what i realized pretty quickly quickly is oh my god. This is what they hire for the higher for this kind of extroverted naturally chatty person and as the training progressed these guys really weren't too worried about teaching me how to operate a grocery store right. I mean there were some tom discussion about keeping the colt things cold and how important that is and and there was a little bit of discussion about this is how a cash register works about you know when you're bagging groceries. This is how you do it. There was some discussion of process but actually there was a lot lot of discussion of trader joe's values there was a tremendous amount of discussion. About how are you going to be with with the customers and then once the store opened. No matter how crazy the store was no matter how much pressure there was to do something else if you were. We're doing something for a customer that trumped everything seeing how trader joe's encouraged its employees to interact with customers to partner up with them. Just make sense to gardner. It inspired him to wonder why this theoretically obvious approach is in fact looked quite rare consider. He says a standard trip to the department of motor vehicles but what happens when you go to the d._m._v. What happens is you stand on one inside of counter your opponent on the other side of the counter and it's as if you're in a game or a sport where you're trying to get your license plate or driver's license and they're going to say oh yeah but you don't have a an up-to-date inspection certificate for your car so get out of here right. It's like a volleyball game practically and it's and it's you against them now. What if you change the rules and what have you said you guys are both on the same side. Your goal is to get them that driver's license or that license plate that they need and so instead of just saying like you don't have the right inspection. What if you told them look. This is what's wrong with the certificate that you've got. It's either out of date or it's from the wrong state or whatever and this is where you would go to get the inspection that you need right and let me look at all your other things while i've got you here and if there's anything else you need. I'll tell you what we need so that the next time you come. It's going to be a slam dunk for you. What if that was. What if it wasn't adversarial. What if you guys were both on the same side. What what if you guys were both on on the same side good question. Don't you think look i'm not saying mark. Gardener's example is necessarily fair to the d._m._v. Nor where am i saying that trader joe's should win the nobel peace prize but it does strike me that a lot of interactions in the modern world are set up to be more competitive than they need and that the benefits of collaboration are often undervalued. I think back to an interview we did with microsoft ceo saatchi and adela doc who's been reversing microsoft's longstanding policy of treating tech rivals like google and apple as pure rivals and instead sometimes times partnering with them. Nothing can be taken for granted that there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine what you have to do is be good at being being able to refresh yourself at the crucial times so if you had the choice would you have trader undergoes run the department of motor vehicles and maybe even i'm not serious here except maybe i am. Would you have them run america geico or at least would you try to export some of their collaborative frugal. Don't take yourself so seriously methodologies michael roberto. The business school professor who analyzed trader joe's warns. It's not so easy that it wouldn't be easy for another grocery store to replicate the a trader joe's experience to do what they do. You can't just hire the same people they hire. You have to emulate the private label strategy the real estate strategy the pricing but corky culture and it's often the soft things not just the kind of people you hire but the way you train them and the culture you create then we can build a store that looks looks like a trader joe's but when we have people walk in can they have the same experience well that's very hard to replicate fair enough and again i don't to heap undue praise on a grocery chain just because they found a way to make their appealing food cheap and treat people pretty well along the way but i will say this. 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Grocery Store Month: Trader Joe's with John Hodgman and David Rees

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Grocery Store Month: Trader Joe's with John Hodgman and David Rees

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On July Seventeenth Nineteen fifty-five Walt Disney opened his opponents Disneyland in Anaheim. California, a city sized theme park that would forever alter the amusement industry the same way he did for animation. Back on opening day decades before Disney parks. Phantom became an entire identity for weird childless adults. The parks footprint was smaller. The intellectual property and use consist of recycled public domain children's stories and the rides were simpler and fewer nausea, inducing spinning later, the mad tea party drunk, driving morality play Mr. Toads, wild ride, and a water adventure that navigated through a maze of non native tropical. Fauna called the jungle cruise. Taking its inspiration from the John Huston film, the African, Queen, and stocked with animatronic exotic animals, narration script of Cornball Jokes The jungle cruise was an early hit with park goers and endures today with some revisions to it's problematic by contemporary standards content, and it's a right on the jungle cruise that inspired another southern California Entrepreneur Joe Colom to borrow the already Parl Tiki yesterday for his own business, a special food store founded in nineteen, Sixty, seven in ambassador Dina at first a gourmet grocer offering mostly international delicacies, the trend conscious Colom adapt to the changing tastes of his California customers wasn't early seller of the then health food novelty Granola, which also introduced the stores brand. By? The Nineties Coloma's concept. It morphed into a more conventional full service, grocery store and expanded nationwide into the early two thousands becoming known for its budget. Friendly wine varietals nicknamed two buck. Chuck. With over thirteen billion in annual sales, as of two thousand nineteen today, this grocery chain staffed by workers and aloha shirts is inspired the same customer loyalty that exists in the pin. Collecting annual pass holders has been the bulk of their leisure time at Disneyland. This Week Ondo, boys, we begin our month long review of supermarkets. Friendly Greengrocer Mitch's grocery store month. With trader joes. Welcome to dough boys the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm nick wider along with my co-host Jimmy Buffet. The Spoon Man Mike Mitchell. Not, an insult to good things. You Jimmy Buffett buffets buffets. People will be worth saying. Buffets aren't coming back, but then I saw the wind buffet as of episode's release will have already been open for a couple of weeks. The Wind Buffet in Vegas Enrique, News. That's great news. I cannot think of a less hygienic situation it. It's so a I can't believe they're doing it but I guess people demand. Do a buffets that badly. The slot machine is gonNA come. You'RE GONNA. Get Three Corona viruses right in a row. For Oh boy the opposite of a Jackpot. It is a nick. We should be excited. It's the first episode of. Grocery store month. We'll get to that in one second because there is some dispute over the name I have have to. Dispute as you that rose courtesy of Jasmine from Vancouver BC, who writes usually wouldn't roast my beloved spoon without providing a coastal a company at, but Mitch said he'd add me on animal crossing two months ago and hasn't done it yet, so screw him. PS, Tash picture by Caspian Cute and attempt to get Msci to hopefully forgive me. Here's pick of these cute cats that I. Think you will appreciate. Here's the deal I posted my friend code multiple times and then someone. There you see those cats are. They're cute. Then if someone message me and says Hey Admiral and There's a lot of numbers a bad. It's a bad system. The cats acute though. Okay well. She's alleging that you. Jasmine is alleging that you said you would do it and that you didn't follow up on it. We'll. What can I say? WHO gives a shit? Rosenbloom gmail.com com? If you want to send it insult for Mitch the top of show, perhaps because he is wrong you in some way. And Mitch So, you mentioned that its grocery store month. This is the thing donate. Stuff that don't don't open up to people. I've wronged. inbox is going to be flooded. Mitch. You mention that its grocery store month. Yes, it. Welcome to grocery store month. Something we've discussed a long time. We have but I don't like the name because the issue is. This is supposed to have some sort of Pun. And you just shut discussion immediately, because that's how it works. That's what we do on the show. That's US rule a dose dose. Restore that stupid. Sore I think is pretty good I. Not as Dosari Score Doshi score are month of grocery store review that sucks, and it's not. It's the grocery store. Month is the doshi score. You're getting dumbs down from our guest. It's awful. They know I'm right anyways. HOW WELCOME TO GROCERY! Store Times! The images are inverted on zoom. Inverted so th. That's a thumbs up saying yeah, that's what I'm saying. HOW WELCOME TO GROCERY, store! A Lot long away to grocery store month. Here's a little drop for us. Nick which I'M GONNA play for US live wow. Here we go. How The DAB. Proper! Damn Ramaz Looking Butare? Baffled by. By. Dabbagh. On Shit. Hottest. Visit Christian podcast our listeners note. I. Don't remember any of that way. When did we do any of that? Know recently I think. I think that was a I think that was the Ferguson episode anyways. That was from. N. T. from the D., who writes spoon as well? It's been a tough few months. But you and Weijia a source of fun in Lebanon Throughout I. Put together a drowsy drop and I hope you can squeeze into a future episodes speaking of levity. How about some brevity? What am I trying to say? God. What I I'm trying to say is that I kept it at a tight thirty to leave plenty of time for your goose, really love you guys and hope you can make it back to Detroit before the world implodes under the weight of mankind's bloated ego. Black Lives Matter Fund police get to Orange Buffoon not office and just be. For Fox nt from the. Some brevity and the drop not not really in the email. Email kind of went on for a little bit I mean. Get disagree with the message, but. Going to tell you about it, okay? It was it was a long email, but good thoughts from nt from the D.. So thank you N. T.. Book! So people wanted us to play the jobs live. What a huge pain! In the ASS! It is like it will be. He added well. Thank you Emma. But not worth it did it. The guests heard it we board. The guests slough wasted even more of their time. We wasted more time, but it's now a thing that we can do and hey speaking of our guests. Let's get them in here. Our guests are from a new animated show on affects premiering July ninth, John Hodgman, and David Rees Hi guys. Hi, thanks for having. On Grocery store month. Thank you welcome back John. Welcome for the first time. David Dose re door. What is it does restore? Oh, I thought it was just grocery store month I. think that's the most recent grocer grocery store month. Well. Yes, you're. You're both right. That's grocery. It's just just grocery store month. Grocery store month the good name for our hardcore band. That's a hot t shirt. That merchants itself. I agree there's no effort behind grocery store month. It's just saying exactly what it is it's. Much. Madness food contest contests is better than March madness. is fantastic. Food justice nothing. Great I think we should rename March madness contest. Sorry. It's monotonous cannon. I got I got I got distracted. Because I'm sitting here in my office in Brooklyn, looking out my window and there's a cardinal a tree. Wow and. Start startling bird to see. I'm not a bird, but I know cardinal when I see one and this is one of them. And I was on this branch. And then it, it seemed to not flying, not flapping standing absolutely still. Without moving three that floated up the branch while its little. Claws are still holding the branches like zipped up the branch. That's amazing. It was weird beautiful, and then it turned into a glitch in the Matrix to freaked me out, so I got a little distracted. Talking about? Food, food food contest speaking of. Speaking of New York and Birds Nellie and I were. In New, York City about ten years ago and there was. We were sitting in a little patio lounge area. Enjoying enjoying a beverage and a hummingbird. Started hovering right by US right by a leaf, and the leaf was just dispensing about every fifteen seconds a single drop of water that was like dribbling off of it, and the Hummingbird was just hovering in place, and as soon as that drop like slid off the end of the leaf. It would turn its head, and then and then just very elegantly drink it like drink each individual drops. They slid off the leave, and I was like this is amazing. How's it able to do that? How many mushrooms that you taken? No I've never never taken any sort of. Anything harder than pot is hard as I've. Gone I've done what I've done alcohol tobacco. I've never done any sort of hallucinogen. Yeah, I heard you do pot on this podcast. Did. We do that on the podcast. On the. Very first twenty with though. Right was with Gabe. Gabor's yes, with Gabriel's and as I recall as a recall, Wijers said we should really call this podcast because it's a pun. That would have been fun. Would have stuck in my memory. We done that. Listen. David Reese can I can I, can I? So obviously. Wider Mitchell. We know each other. But David reasons one my oldest and best is friends and my collaborator in this new animated show called Dick Towns, coming out July ninth. We'll talk about more about that later in annoying detail. But I just let me just introduce. My friend David Reese to the boys listeners if they don't know Lisa David is. My friend, he is genius. He's the creator of the get your war on cartoon in rolling. Stone magazine Wider I. Know You're a fan of that love. Get your war on went on to become a literal Artisanal Pencil sharpener people would mail him pencils, and he would sharpen them and return them by mail for money and then wrote a book. Called how to sharpen pencils, which is a great book literally about how to sharpen pencils, and figuratively about the danger of the pursuit of perfection. Hosted a couple of seasons of a really great show on Nat, Geo called going deep with David Reese. In which he was a how to show for things. You think you know how to do like shake hands. Tie your shoes. And now we're working to go this animated. We'll talk about in minute. Now David let me introduce you to these guys. Each other from the podcast. A I I. I. believe my way into the podcast to promote my book vacation land true stories from painful beaches now available in paperback. Wherever books are wherever books are sold or left behind I. Think is probably more accurate at this point. So I went on the show, and we had a very nice time conversing and very quickly. I learned. A lot of details of the of the of the doboy universe. NIKWIGIZE played bassoon in high school. It's a that's why I refer to as Double Reed. He is married to Natalie I. Leave you met. Not In high school or College. We met in middle school. We do not start dating until after college. That's right. Yeah so. Natalie is his wife. Wider has the voice that sounds like that. He, he southern California. That's right. He's a little bit of a heat. Seeker enjoys some hot sauce. Does not like leaving southern California. A under duress visited the state of Massachusetts. To do a live show with me. And I was a guest on it. At the solid sound festival in western Massachusetts I only mention it because it was a fun time. But why grew, said the most widely thing that I've ever heard her say. and. My son was there to hear it. Any any thinks about all the time and he just laughs to himself. which was Mitch, was from Massachusetts and wider would driving out west and. Mitch excited that was in Massachusetts and he said it was fine. Is, a beautiful river there and there is. There's a beautiful the north, river, as you go along the Mohawk trail at to North ads -Chusetts, beautiful gorgeous river, and why are you said it was fine? It was fine river. It got the job done. Moving water. Got The job done. My initial is I. mentioned is an. The wider is a writer or something, Mike, Mitchell as an actor. In the forthcoming tomorrow war. Why? Yes, yeah. Yeah. It's a movie with Chris Pratt he's. Going to be in a movie then this happened I mean they filmed the movie, but they're gonNA release it. Probably Twenty third. Twenty twenty-five is an cases that guardians of the galaxy. Stuff, no different thing. Different one. Chris Pratt right? That wasn't a lot Chris Chris Pratt, isn't it? Then why would I I wouldn't lie about that now. Chris Pratt was in guardians of the galaxy. Though right is neither me. Yes. He is yes, but he's not reprising star Lord. This is not part of the marvel cinematic, universe. Intellectual Property Okay got. Bought if Marvel's listening I'd love to take over that role of groot. You'd be a fine groot. Yeah, thanks, that's the tree grew curtis the tree. Crude is the tree. Messages well, he's from Quincy Massachusetts Really Yeah. He's an actor and he goes normally every summer. He goes back to Quincy to sabotage acting career for six or eight weeks, or whatever to hang out with his own set of avengers like team mates in Quincy. All these. Tough friends that he has. Whether they were names check Charleston Genton Mike is Groot. Frail Bot. Can't forget Wu Tang. Tang Dino's in their. Dano I'm now, I'M GONNA. Get in trouble by name. Some of schools L. D.. Nick. Just name the rest of them, right? I think I'm tapped out, fuck stemmed. We mentioned Foxton. BUXTON's there yeah. You. Guys grow up together. No Mitch is not know each other. Until we. Until mid twenties, we met doing the in the indie comedy sketch comedy scene out here in Los. Angeles got it okay. Yeah, a pre wire, the the golden years for me. And as always in the doboy universe, the underlying the the friction and the tension that keeps it all together. These two guys yelling at each other which I like to Aegon, as much as possible. We're all leave it. We'll leave it at a simmer for now it may boil over at some point during the episode but David You mentioned the Massachusetts thing responded to argue from Massachusetts. No, but I spent a lot of my twenties post. College I was in Allston and then which is Boston and then central square. which has some bearing on today's grocery store, but we can save that for when we get into it. So I lived in Boston from ninety four to ninety nine. Wow, yeah, it was fun. I like Boston. I had a good time, so we have some real real Massachusetts history among the three of you I'm I'm curious David as someone who hasn't been on the podcast before you know, we always talk about regional foodstuffs. Is there anything that particularly tickles your fancy? From the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Or from your home, state of North Carolina from North Carolina. Yes, wow. Well I have to say that I'm not really a Foodie. I love to allow and I love to be surrounded by food. And I have amazing food memories. But I'm not. When I seek out extreme experiences, you know they're not usually about going to restaurants and stuff although I, do love I love restaurants. I would say that my main food memories from Boston are. I used to work with some Brazilians, and so some Sunday evenings, we would go to one of the many Brazilian. Buffets Cotija you know the. When they come around with the skewers of meat, how? That was always just like pummeling. humbling experience, but really fun. Yeah, because Boston has a big. There's a huge Brazilian population in Boston they have some great Brazilian restaurants. There was a Chinese buffet and Lower Allston where I lived in. The thing I remember is that? The buff this so awesome. The buffet had lots of standard stuff like noodles and you know. A- vegetables and stuff, but also put crab Rangoon as part of the buffet, so it's like bottomless. krantz Crab Rangoon yeah the most authentic Chinese dish beloved across mainland China. And there was what is what it is. It is deep fried cream cheese basically. With with crab mixed into it. A little bit crap. For legal reasons, it's supposed to have crab it. I'm certain did generations ago way upstream, but I think by the time of Crab Rangoon hit this Chinese buffet. I wish I could remember the name of it anyway. the most crab Rangoon. Ever eight. In one night we hit that buffet on Friday night and I had twelve crab Rangoon. Wow, oh and I, said another personal eating record in Boston actually also well living in Austin. There was a pizzeria. And they had a special. Where if you order to large pizza, they would give you a free small pizza. It was great. It was like for eight dollars is terrific bargain and again on a Friday night one night I was alone and I ordered the pizza and had it delivered. I got my large pizza and my small pizza. And I. This sounds like a sad memory, but it's actually a happy memory. I sat in my bedroom. This is back when I didn't have a bed I spent my first two years in Boston without a bit was too cheap to buy bet I just slipped on the floor, so sitting on the floor and my bedrooms, God. And a eight the large pizza. And it was Kinda like well. This is the one chance in my life I can just go for it and set a personal best, and then I ate the pizza. All in one night incriminating the pizza and it son. Yeah. Basically didn't entire. Broken family of pizzas. THAT ORPHAN PIZZA! You watched you eat. It's Dad, and then you ate it. Put It on Serie. What is more perverse like what is more inhumane? Is it to eat the dad first and then the sun, but or is it to eat the child in front of its parent? I. Wou I feel like the latter is almost like it's. GonNa a question. Why why why are we going to go down? Honestly I was made completely speechless by by that. I thought the. Drama there's a running current between. On this show that that wider might be a horrible. Pedophile. Okay, that's fun. And murder and Robaina murderer. I'm a nice man, murderer and robot. That's why was that's why I was saying that he should never take mushrooms because he will become the new Zodiac killer whatever happens if he if he could not take any hallucinogenic will I feel like it would drive you mad wags. Make violent I'm not a violent man. I'm not saying I mean I just think you'd think just over the you think I'm I'm pre- falling down quickly. Your imagination went to cannibalism there well I was thinking first off I did what I did not offer that that came from. You of restraint is keeping you from becoming this monster. Michael Douglas just before falling down. I, have like a but I'm just thinking in terms of like this was like a Greek God scenario where someone is being punished. Immortal is being punished by Greek. Don't try to put it off on. Greek myths now centers in the world. That was figuring exactly. Yes, Goya pain! You're you're you're you're you're you're? Lazy shut it that legit creep me out. That was weird. Why you're you're you're lazy. Shut in version of Michael Douglas, and falling down I feel like that's the only reason that hasn't happened yet. Right that you don't want. You don't want to get out of your apartment. Yeah, just complain online. Let's. Just I can. Can I quickly say David that? Goon, record. Sadly, I. I beat that this afternoon. Right before we started recording. If I had some right here. We go live to Rangoon to Rangoon. Mano A MANO! David. Are you a man with a big appetite? Are you kind of a bottomless pit a? Being self quarantine during the coronavirus. I've I've. I've learned a lot about myself and I've also learned a lot about my body. And my appetites I have always had a large appetite. And for years and years especially in my twenties I was still kind of slim. because. I was biking to work. I was swimming at the Y., my friend and I had a bodybuilding website, so we were going to the gym all the time and lifting weights, so I could put away a lot of food and still present as a slender person. Although I've always had love handles. Now. Goon it up. Rangoon it up. Burn it off like also I was in my twenty S. Goes crazy time. You're METABOL-, the, hot metabolism. Metabolism, og book awfully was crazy. Whatever the? Grad metabolism is. Now, I am much older. And it's really starting to. I went for a walk yesterday and I caught a reflection of myself in the mirror, and there is a definite panch that. I think I'm heavier now than I've ever been. I'm, but I'm also eating a lot late at night and I'm I have to Sam hitting a lot of that two buck chuck that Trader Jones. Trader Joe's wine. So they have a big appetite i. Yeah I'm a I'm a heavy eater. I guess you would say that's the alcohol is killer and I didn't realize until I mean as I got older like liquid calories, really just. Like I. Just add the pounds if I I'm GONNA a heavy drinking phase where that's how I'm dealing with stress or whatever and and. I just can't. I will add ten pounds in a week and a half. It's ridiculous. And so like. Even and aside from the appetite side of things it's just like that's been the toughest thing for media control because it's just you. Just you have moments of. Where where I'm just like what's the point you know you're talking about? During during Soviet times during lockdown, like and and I feel like that's been. That's been a part of my life in general a that. What's the, point. Yeah, yeah, but I mean but tangent. Michio I. I was I was put off by turned to darkness earlier. We cannibalism one early endorsed turn to I'm ready. I'm, ready to stare into this abyss. Why bond on this on this thing we're, we're we're. We're in the same boat here. Yeah, what is the point? What is the point? Well I think it across the world I would imagine there's a lot of weight gain going on. from people who are stuck at home can't exercise as much and are probably dealing with feelings of nihilism or depression or lethargy and right you know like. I've definitely have just been. Going crazy foodwise after say, and what's The craziest thing you've eaten in quarantine? Like anything that rivals Dad Pizzas Pizza. I mean the the sad thing is because I'm not really a Foodie when I go to the grocery store. I usually just buy the same ten things. And then it just comes down to are the eaten over the course of two nights or a single nights. You know rampage. Trader Joe's sharp New Zealand cheese just like. Just throw back a whole. Yeah, I feel we were talking about this. Just eat a whole break of cheese. That thing like an apple or you? Know I have to. Play this illusion that I'm a gentleman. A Gorman so I. I cut it up into slices. And then Boy Okay so I also really like peanuts. Sent the fifty percent salted peanuts, not the unsalted peanuts, not the sheltered peanuts, but trader Joe's has a fifty percents salt, which is just enough. And, I'll make a big bowl of those and then I'll put slices of Cheddar cheese on it. Hang on a salad. and. And then just alternate fistful of peanuts, fistful of Cheese Fist Filipinas this full of cheese. Yeah, and Drink wine. But nothing I mean I. Don't think I've done anything too crazy. Like yeah, there was one night i. You know I'm going to tell you. I Tell You David or now we're all doing our best right. Forgive ourselves right. We have to give each other. But That's really weird. Bola. Peanuts Bola cheese combine. Those are my two. I think those are literally. My favorite foods are peanut. Yeah, I mean I've been doing that. This did not start forever not. No because when I go home to North Carolina to visit my parents. My Dad is from Wisconsin so he always has wonderful sharp wisconsin cheese that he had shipped in from his brother and wine Wisconsin. And North Carolina has wonderful peanuts, and so when I would go home to visit my parents. Come home from a night a night's revelry with my friends at the old haunts of our youth I would come home and plot myself in front of the TV and watch. Local North Carolina cable access TV and eat peanuts and cheese. I think it's comfort. It's a comfort thing for me. Insane like cubes of cheese in slices, not cubes I'd I think. With slices of cheese on top of it well yeah on the side like celery. Yeah, you're like alternating. You're making like some sort of like peanut nachos. Well. You are actually. Fight a microwave. I would try that. David, what are the? What are the peanuts? You turned me onto that? You like so much from your youth well. This is actually a kind of a bummer. Their aunt Ruby's peanuts from Enfield North Carolina, they're the best peanuts in the world, but it turns out. No I can't ruby was a big supporter of the infamous bathroom. Law. The bathroom bill now that Republican Governor Pat. mccrory tried passing. So, I'm kind of on a little bit of an aunt Ruby's hiatus until they get their act together. I've just been eating. Trader Joe's pizzas. Do you guys other than other than David? You have a shame. Shame snack something. You fixed up maybe in the dead of night. Maybe when you're alone that your like this is maybe this is. This is a weird, but it. It scratches the Itch for me not to give the game away although I suppose it's been given away in terms of what we're discussing today. But an item that I secured. At the featured grocery store for grocery store month today, doshi score mouth yet. You're just as. Such bullshit. I just can't even its grocery store month. You could have, and you could have engaged on when we were trying to pitch. What what it could be called and you completely shut it down. No I I said to you. It's called grocery store month in suster. Said Yep Grocery store month. We've talked about this forever. It's the thing I wanted to do. You didn't even want it to happen doesn't fit the template of what we normally do and WSB continue your thought Hodgman. The template that is the shape of your brain. You have to control everything. One hundred percent. Thank you, Hodgman you're welcome Buchan control-freak. fucking regular freak your tapes. Cannibal fantasist. We're friends. Double. Read you and I were friends. Say is one of the items, maybe maybe the the solution that the the worst thing that I do during quarantine. Is just have a big huge. Spoonful peanut butter in the middle of the night. Of course, and then I have another one. That's not that bad. That's that's that's. That's healthy protein packing. That's good. That's good. It's not good at midnight. I don't think that's so good. I look. I'm not I'm not as comfortable with myself that I would sit there with the big buffalo, peanuts and cheese. To me. This is the thing that I would eat when when one is watching. And I have to sneak out rail the night and Hunger Pang. But I think I've found I. Think I've founded an item that will replace that in the future, which thought allow tell you sometime after the break are called. Wow, all right. Because, guess what we're podcasters to judge John. Davies says the election profit makers. Bob Gets but listen you guys. You go ahead. I have nothing. I was going to offer up my own spoon based shame snack, which was not something I've done since I was a child, but I would occasionally Jesus. Take a naughty spoonful out of the Mayo Jar. And put it directly my mouth. Yeah, I've done that, too sorry. Yeah, really you've all done that. Yes, what used to spread mayonnaise on Matsu bread? Mayonnaise on Mata. Might Street growing up in elementary school. We would go by Matsu bread. We weren't Jewish, but it would always be at the store and we buy it and you know it's so dry I drive me crazy. I love really dry crunchy things. And I would put manny's on it to give it a little moisture and a little fat. It's really good I recommend, and you say you're not a Foodie. And needed a name for a spoon. A spoonful of Mayo is only made Grocer Biwott. Saying a naughty little spoon of May and. Well I know. It wasn't supposed to be doing it. It was breaking some household rules. That's part of the appeal I guess I guess my own mind blocked this out my own shame filter. Walk this out, but I'm going to be. To be perfectly honest I would sometimes have a naughty little spoonful of peanut butter. And then get another spoon obviously, and then have it not a naughty, little spoonful of mayonnaise and by. By little I mean the the full tablespoon really how this? Yeah I love both of those things you know me I. Don't should had the manny's first, and then the peanut butter would be dessert. That's weird. You did it backwards. That was a sandwich, wasn't it? Yeah, people have a peanut butter and Mayo Sandwich that is a that is a sandwich. Some people will. Like that like peanut, butter and pickles as a sandwich. I've never tried that. Maybe I would like. But it sounds revolting on the surface right, but I trust someone who says No. It's actually good I just never deigned to try it. All all peanut butter and Matinees in quick succession. Sure but I would never dignify them with bread YEP. It might work though Mitch you. You must have something you must have some snack. You've had in your past that you are maybe maybe a little embarrassing. No nothing really the food consumption in your life. Your ever like a little bit ashamed of. Shame by the. What was their pizza that you were eating at the top of the professional podcast that you're hosting? It's it's it's it's for the podcast. It is. It, that's right. I thought it was an unrelated. UNRELATED FROZEN PIZZA UNRELATED PIE MID MID show. Precedent Pies mid Joe. I got I got two more things. Oh? You got those things we won't say what they are, but that's only a couple of food I. O, your palate is different than mine. You're attracted to very different foods than I am. That's interesting. This is just this is just a small taste. Okay, all right the thing in that crackly little bag that you held directly into the microphone. I was. Something that I was very tempted to get myself as well Mitch, but I didn't. For reasons, we will explain later for some people who listen to podcast that. Was it for them right there that that that whole crinkly thing into the microphone. They're done with the. They probably turned it off now. That's what that's what they're waiting for. Some kind of A. Hit From It. They're always waiting waiting for. The. Crinkle yes. Some people hate the crinkly. Some people like the crinkly too much, and that's that's basically most of our listenership. One of those two polls, Nick Knight can I just say just say some things at the top of grocery store month before we start discussing this. Sure this store this podcast. One. This is the top of grocery store month this this is the first episode of Girls Awesome Great. That's incredible. Forgetting Rest Mitch. I mean sorry nick. Tell us what it's all about because you're the one in charge. I I, mean I don't have anything. I mean. How is this Mitch? Mitch's rubbing his eyes in frustration, but it looks it looks like a panda bear crying. There's a few things you gonNA. Take into consideration straightforward. We're just. We're just reviewing grocery stores. There's no there's not a big big list of, but there's a longest. There's a lot of things to talk about. On off the top of the bat which. Wait. Wait wait wait. I'm sorry. Mitch Yeah I. Apologize To you because I realized now. This is not grocery store month. This is Green Grocer Mike's Grocery store months. It's your grocery store months. Green. Poked my I. It's not easy to do Mitch Green Grocer Spoon Man. Your Neighborhood Grocery store. Can. I be trader Joe Himself. Tori. The point is it's yours. I, all right I'm giving reform. Green Grocer Spoon Man's grocery store moth that. Just flows perfectly. Green Grocer. Spoon Man's grocery store month. That's what it is Wagner War we'll workshop at will refine it man. No, that's the important thing is two points one. It's yours. Totally yours totally or control to no buns. I agree green. Grocer Spoon Man's grocery store month. GREENGROSS BRUINS grocery store month. Why are that's what it is and there's some in? Here's some rules for your wives, okay? There's some things going to take into consideration with with grocery store mouth one. The actual grocery store itself. How's IT looking? How's it feel to the parties? The parking is also an issue with grocery store month and we can get into that today because you know. What one of the big fall to today's grocery store is the parking. Three wow. Produce. Bro Brody Writing Writing Games. Produce, that's all. For that's a category. How many line I wish? We noted advance gotten some. Focused my purchasing more and produce. That's her shut up. Just shut up. Four snacks part original snacks, five frozen snacks six a room temp snacks there you go. That's everything and grocer seven checkout. This grocery store is going to crush all these categories except maybe. This is a guaranteed winner. Because you're hitting all this grocery stores, strengths in your also hitting all the reasons I love it. Wow. That is what. And I. Get what you're saying, but there are some things for me. That bug me a little bit with it. Oh, wait one last one, eight, eight hundred. Eighty toy venous. That's the last one tweeting this. I like this Chess Emma, can you? Can you remember all these categories share? This is what I got overall impressions. Parking. Produce. Snacks. Frozen snacks. Room temperature snacks. Keep frozen, keep frozen and unfrozen apart. Cold not frozen snack, so that can be. What? Was the snack. Hey, it's Mitch Grocery store month. Thing. You've completely neglected here. Which is not apply to this week's chain, which is hot bar, but that's a big part of a lot of grocery stores, well some sort of hot food they sell. That's an issue, and that's what that's what I said. The trader Joe's. Reviewing this week should not even qualify because it doesn't serve hot. None of them serve hot food right now. Right none of them. Some of them. Behind the counter. Yeah, you hear the Wind Buffet in Vegas. You're fine. Also. This is why the grocery store month. The hot food bar was GONNA be the doubles. That's what we talked about I don't think we I don't think I think we settled on this in a hurry i. think the fact that you're making up eight rules on the fly right now speaks to your lack of preparation. Your lack of thought into this coach fuck up you fucking. Dork, listen to me wider. Idea forever and I said the hot bars were the doubles. Suskind back me up on this you did you said hop are should actually be the main episodes. That's angry about I. Stand by that that's weird. Weird. It is weird. I agree should be the main. The main episode jeered and I love. What are we saw? Gone so it is just the episode. Is the grocery store if we're going to kroger, are we only reviewing kroger brand snacks? Is that we sell? Everything has to be storebrand. Yeah I. think that's what I'm sorry I'm sorry. I I was I. Thought you said if we're going to Krueger and I got very nervous for a second. Crew you mean. Do you mean from a from the last season of Seinfeld. 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We're here for friendly. We're here. John David Reese for Friendly Greengrocers Mitch. Grocery you friendly. Greengrocer Mitch's grocery store money. You're getting it wrong. Better every time. Friendly Green Grocer. Spoon Man's groceries Dohrmann. Friendly Green Grocer Spoon Man's grocery store bonsor Mike's Grocery Store Month would be short said and yes. Also by the way we decided to do. Trader Joe's and then after the fact that we decided to say that it was grocery store month. Yeah, we kind read condit. So this was a scramble, so there was not much time to prepare now. What because we didn't prepare up to your liking? You're just not going to take part. You're going to be a little stinker. You're going to be a part. I made ab with his diaper fall. You're going to be a little baby above the whole thing. If there's no hot bar, it's not a grocery store. That is my official position, but I'm getting. No, I'm going to roll with it. This is green grocer. Roll with it. Yes, I'm being flexible. Wow, what a great guy! You're plenty of time to pull this together, but that said before we get into look before we talk about this week's chain, I wanNA. Talk a little bit about about Dick down on fx x July ninth, which should be shortly after this episode releases, but tell us a little bit about the show we'll look. I do a lot of different things. David, David Reese does a lot of different things, but we've been friends for a long time. This is our first real collaboration and is a total delight. David and I want to do an animated detective show. And what we came up with, was this show called Dick town? In which my character Jon Huntsman. is a former child detective like an Encyclopedia Brown got it. But now he's grown up and he's a sad man in his forties. Living alone, still solving crimes for teenagers. And David Reese plays David purify my former high school, arch, enemy and bully. Who has also failed to thrive? And now lives. And now works as my driver and enforcer and unlikely friend in investigations, all in the fictional town of Richard's Ville more. Carolina Aka Dick Town. Wound, that is the concept that was a good summary. That's great yeah. Yeah? It's like a mystery of the week each each week. There's a new high school kid who comes to John with a mystery to be solved. Yeah, and each week I lament the fact that I am still only employable by children. When I got. It sounds like walkers dream job. John's character lives on a houseboat which. I love that. I love a houseboat detective. Activists that it's a it's a trope. And in the first episode we have our friends. Jean Grey Zach Alpha Kaz doing voices. Wow, if Tomkins and Janey had Ed Tompkins do voices. Jon Glaser Jon Benjamin. All these amazing folks came in and did stuff Chris and. Numerous from. A blank check and the famous. Tombstone Week. What line up. It's great it's. You know you know how? You know how it's so easy to watch television these days I mean television. It's everywhere right, yeah, it's A. It's on. It's on a seat back of an airplane back in the before times days you. Scream stream it to your screen or your streams, or whatever look fx said no, it's too easy too easy to watch television. Too Easy we don't WanNA. Make it easy for people to watch diktats spoiling these babies. We want to turn them into detectives to. The case missing, TV show. No they're they're wonderful of course but. If you WanNa Watch Dick Town. And I hope you do. The first of ten episodes comes out July ninth airing at ten. PM on fx Sex as part. Of their half hour short form comedy show cake, so it's an anthology show called cake. That's going to be the listing. And embedded within their all the other. Ingenious cool stuff that they're shipping owners late at night is our show to town. Helio and then that will happen Thursday after Thursday after Thursday ten times. And then our stuff is done, you can continue watch cake if you want. But. It goes out ten PM. Thursdays on F X X. Trust me. You have it somewhere. Or check it out the next day streaming on fx on Hulu. and. I believe later once they all stream through on cake, the individual episodes themselves will be available, but for now. I think they're available as standalone episodes on Hulu the next day. I think so we'll need more. But I think there's only one there's only one way to find out. Solve the mystery Right Watch town at ten PM on. Thursdays! It's part of cake on fx and then check out fx on Hulu to see what form it takes then. Bomb, thank you classic TV mystery. Yeah we have. Check it out on cake and hey, moving from cake. The show cake the food, which is something you might find a trader Joe's trader. Joe's headquartered in Monrovia California east of La founded by there is a traitor Joe Joe Colombo. Who Joe Colombo I believe is how you pronounce his name who started the company? It is the same corporate ownership as Aldy, which is a German grocer and has over five hundred locations. So David and John. When we went to you, we were like Hey, what chain would you want to cover David? You came back hot. With trader. Joe's specifically trader Joe's frozen meals. which you said are sustaining you during our current crisis. I have incredible brand, loyalty and enthusiasm for trader Joe's grocery stores while I think they're one of the great. American grocery store chains and I think of. The trader Joe's that I used to go to on court street in Brooklyn I lived in new. York City is probably my number, three or four restaurant I mean my number, three or four grocery store of all time for life now i. think it's just a magnificent grocery store. It's an old bank and because I worked from home, I was rarely like going into the grand buildings of Manhattan for work or anything and so going into that grocery store every week. was like my one exposure to grand. Architecture being in that trader, Joe's with it's incredibly high ceilings so much higher. Most New York City, grocery stores have really low, are really claustrophobic, right and that trader. Joe's had these. Glorious. High old-timey Bank ceilings. And I just think trader, Joe's I just think it's the best I think trader Joe's. I respect. It's I. Think it's aesthetic is incredible and stimulating I think the whole way that they that they present. I think trader. I'll put it like this trader. Joe's has a very unique aesthetic of abundance that runs very counter to most American grocery stores, and ironically kind of makes me even more excited to eat their food and traders is the best and I think their snacks are the greatest. I think they're frozen snacks. Terrific and I think there room temperature snacks guess to wow, yeah. What about that code, but not frozen snacks. Goldman frozen. Like, those kinds of snacks I only like extremes. Got It wow. That includes like premade sandwiches, and so on wider by the way. traders. O! Does have a few things in there I don't know if you would call it their Deli case, but they will have little to go things. I think little sandwiches prepackaged salads. I just go for Gr- for groceries. I love groceries and I've eaten so many fucking grocery since this corona virus started I haven't had takeout, but like three times in the last. Three or four months right? I'm really hiding. I Love Grocery stores very much and when I am driving. When I go when I'm with my family and I, see a grocery store and I say I'm going to go in there. My children begged me to not do it. Because they know, they will not see me for hours. Wow I find them profoundly calming interesting. I love looking for weird, regional or off brand foods. I just I just love the feeling of I love I love the feeling of that cold ac on my upper arms. And and I I love the chaos of certain super grocery stores, markets, and I love the clean lines and. curated atmosphere of others I just love going in there. THAT FEELING OF I! You know I can make any food I want tonight. I'm by any of this. What I'm saying is I live grocery stores. And Yet Even though my quick glance. At the Wikipedia page just now. Informed me. That the first trader Joe's is a West Coast chain started in Pasadena. Something probably talked about it already. The, first East, coast store, historically the first historic east coast trader. Joe's Brookline Massachussetts. Back. About nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, hundred, ninety, six, exactly when I was living in Boston, and I have a memory of to this crazy grocery store called trader Joe's and being like this place is so funky. I've never been. Is this Shane or is this one man? I didn't know trader Joe wasn't just like. My name is true Joe. Bodega welcome. One of Brooklyn's famous local eccentric. Yeah, right? I remember going to that trader. Joe's and I was probably they're very early because that's when I was living in Boston and looking around and be like. Wow, this is really crazy. It has like clip art cartoons on the walls and everything's ray made, but it kind of feels like a chain. Like what is this grocery store? Yeah, and I would go there to when I would be coming home from college or visiting. The plan is living in New York, but they're, too. But here's the thing as much as I love grocery stores I never thought of trade grow. I never thought of trader. Joe's as a grocery store until today. What did you think it was because would go in there and I'd be like this this. People around these these Hawaiian shirts. Everything everything all the shelves are low. Everything is branded trader Joe's. There's a lot of prepackaged. Snack food. And I was like Oh. This is just a novelty. This novelty store. You thought it was like a Halloween store. Well just this is like. I mean I think I. Think probably I think probably because of the same kind of semi problematic cultural appropriation of traderjoes. Taking the TIKI style. It reminded me a lot of old school. Banana Republic remember old. Republic when it was a quote unquote safari. Store right. Mitch, you ever go to the Banana Republic and Quincy market with the jeep coming out of the window. Oh Yeah. I've seen that before. Awesome like a planet. Hollywood like crashed into it. Yeah, it was like all house. All like Indiana Jones themed, and all the clothing was like safari vests and helmets I mean for a weird thirteen year old, only child like me. It was heaven exactly where I want. And though I might WANNA buy all of my clothes and pith helmets there. No regular person that would be a spice that regular prison do their whole wardrobe shopping. Novelty store. They would get maybe one helmet for a Sunday or whatever. And otherwise go to a normal clothes store. That's how I felt about just like. You can't go all your grocery shopping there, that's. Stores which you mean. Before before you're twenty four and you have your first dinner party and your new apartment. We're going to go to trader. Get some cheap wine, some cheese and crackers and cheese techy toes some funky stuff in a bag, but I'm telling you. It's a legitimate casualty store. I thought I figured out today when I went into your trader. Joe's is a real grocery store Hodgman did you ever? Do you ever buy yourself a nice little bit and then go upstairs to the comedy connection at Faneuil Hall. Taking, Robert Schimmel, onstage or something. No, I was catchy rising star guy in Harvard Square. That's where I saw Jerry, Seinfeld. Before he had his show Germinating Jeremy. Chipman said YOU WANNA. Go See Jerry Seinfeld, at catch a rising stars I don't know that is always great comic assault on Letterman. And he was good, and you go I want their rising star to catch. A, rising star, but. He he shook. He's shook me. I could have destroyed his career right then. I. Said No, no, no, don't talk. Don't talk to Larry David me I'm going to be your collaborator. Barely escaped my claws, Hodgman that pizzeria gene annual hall is also not bad. One of the better ones. The pizza that was cope I. Don't want to go down the Pizzeria Regina. Walk with yeah, there'll be a ten minute detour. I've only got two days to record this. I will say that your your characterization of it as a specialty store, Hodgman is interesting because it's so cal is the home of trader Joe's and so I grew up with it. And it was in Long Beach the weird store down by the Marina. That really was akin to I'm trying to think of another chain. That's that's similar, but like a cost plus I don't know if everyone's familiar with cost plus not. Like a world market like a place where it would bow, yes, where where you kind of go in, and it's it's less about like. We've got proper groceries I. watched the slow dissolve over the decades as it turned to do more traditional grocery store offering just. Produce and and and and proteins like you would at a standard store, but it used to be a place where yeah, you'd go and get get weird nuts and and liquor and specialty sodas. You know it was like an imported candies. It was like a speciality food store that eventually. Trader Trader Joe's trader Joe's. Old Trader Joe's was like a speciality food store that became a grocery store, so yeah, it definitely has those elements. In terms of how I think just in terms of how the store is presented, it's still kind of you still kind of feel that heritage a little. It's a kind of swimming against the current. Actually you know. It's gone from being Niche and Oh and this an interesting little cracker to kind of becoming more of a general purpose place for tables, whereas so much of America's food culture has moved in the opposite direction. Were there people who will just walk around all day? Just going from interesting food store to interesting food store, right things have gotten specialize in trader Joe in his wisdom. Has has become more general. But not yeah general, it's still the stores. Don't have a massive footprint versus some other. Mega Gauche grocery stores. It's still a smaller more compact store with with streamlined fair a lot of times. They offer a one of its category. There's. Chicken. Yeah it's the best thing about trader Joe's. Love and it's all. It's all trader Joe's picks. It's mostly trader Joe's brand in some of an Mr other picks that over eighty percent trader Joe's sprint. Yeah, well see. That's what it's like. You know what David you say you're not. A foodie and you kept saying that over and over again with such dripping contempt. For foodie ISM and yet trader Joe's is your favorite. Grocery store. That's that's A. I think one of the reasons that it's. Grew in popularity, particularly during the high food network era of the late ninety s is people were displaced deciding that they were going to? There going to do what they were doing on television and start paying attention to food in a different way and trader Joe's offered them a sort of wacky permission structure to look at food as a lifestyle, a couture, Mont as opposed to just a slab of meat to eat at dinner so when you go into trader Joe's. You're like what is. Why am I waiting in line for the jungle cruise? What's happening? Here is a curated world and specifically literally curious. We have those one chicken thigh. We have marinated this for you like. It's like fast casual. Lifestyle brand that you are part of the moment you enter into it, but the but the reason it works is because they have. It's the thing about abundance. Okay, when I go to big huge massive grocery store and there's a whole island that's just tomato sauce, and it's like now. Being at the Home Depot. It's like asking. Comforting, because Oh, I live in a time of abundance and plenty nothing bad will ever happen. I'm surrounded by tomato. Paste options, but then also get creeped out because it's like. There's just a lot of food waste, and it's just kind of a gross feeling. It's too much, and then you go to trader Joe's and trader Joe's like we have trader Joe's tomato sauce. Take it or leave it boom done trader Joe's out. You know it's like the apple store. This is the. kind of like that, but yeah yeah, and so that's why I like it because I get anxious when there's too many options you know like analysis paralysis analysis paralysis. Yeah, trader, Joe's I think is good for someone like me because. I'm sure the tomato sauce is going to be fine. You know like I. Don't eat a bunch of options. I'll go crazy. And I have my palate is not sophisticated. Enough were I'm like Oh, but they don't have the tomato sauce that has. The. Don't get me wrong. I I had a great experience there today at one in the bank on Court Street. Morning! and. What I learned when I went, there is maybe it's changed and evolved as Nick said. Or, maybe I just couldn't see through my own. A prejudices. That is a it's a legit grocery store. They could get there and I will i. will again you bring up? You bring up. You bring up a good point. That feels like you're in line for the jungle cruise, but. An issue I have is there's no ride. It doesn't give you the ride you know it's. It's the ride boy. The store is the rise of another issue to there's cartoons everywhere. There's stuff to read. There's a little signs all these different types of food. That's what they learned. That's what they learned from Disney the art of queuing all that queueing all those lines are very cleverly decorated to keep you engaged. I Love The jungle cruise. But has there ever been a time when you get on that boat and you're like I. Wish go back in that line. The budget dumb robots underwater. Jungle Jungle Cruise. Maybe as the example of the line is better than the ride. I think that that is a huge possibility I. WAS GONNA say. Trader Joe's also missing out on a big opportunity mascot, like I said I mentioned this for a little bit before, but trader Joe Himself. Just rough. Gruff Guy. Who fucking? Trades. He trades for groceries auditioning. Are You auditioning I'm? A little bit. You know what I had to do. Do you know what I had to do to get you? Those peanut butter stuffed pretzels trade my soul away. Things like that one quarter a portion that. Car. Now, I'm worried about green grocer spoon man's objectivity over the course of this month. If you're trying to offer yourself up as the traitor, face a trader, JOE's look. I'M GONNA. Audition for every mass doesn't matter. Does I hope you know what I hope? They hear this. I hope he gets it. I hope he I hope he leaves. podcast comes a huge star. I don't want him back. The Way I almost held back Jerry Seinfeld. What specifically we got because there's a lot to discuss in their eight categories to break down apparently. Ten, it's finalized now. All right find. There's ten categories so. David is holding up one of the items that he demanded. We get and I did get them. This is one of the frozen meals. These are the MAC and cheese. Bites David you under scribe. You are such a Sir, so I started picking these up at my local trader Joe's. COUPLE MONTHS AGO I. The packaging what they are. These things are so terrific. These are breaded deep fried balls that are stuffed with Mac and cheese. And put them in the oven and you heat them up and then you just you just go nuts, and so I was in the frozen food aisle, looking for fun stuff heat in the oven. And I saw the image of these breaded balls. and. I. Love. breaded ball stuff like Taki-. You know like the. Deep Fried breaded octopus. Balls you can have Japanese cuisine stuff. It's so good so I looked at it and then I saw. Oh, wait a minute. It's actually filled with MAC and cheese. I'm not crazy about MAC and cheese. You saw was going to be steph with Crab Rangoon. Yeah. Exactly I used to eat a lot of MAC and cheese. You see a lot of Annie's Mac and cheese, the one with the bunnies when I. When I. When I was again in my twenty s and I felt like maybe I've eaten enough Mac and cheese, but I have to try this if because if they can pull this off. Then! That's a moonshot and I want to ride on that rocket ship so I took him home. And you know you just heat them up. They're frozen. You heat them up in the oven and then I thought I. Don't like they're serving suggestion they're serving. Suggestion looks like you're supposed to dip them in. Like what is that Marinara sauce or something? They picture Marinara sauce which I expected to be included in the body. Oh No, no, they just. You have your saw. Some yourself and I thought well. They're not Mozzarella sticks I. Don't WanNa do Marinara sauce, so I came up with my own custom. Dip that I'll share with everybody. which is really simple. It's just manny's and Saracho. And so heat up these MAC and cheese balls. And then you can eat them with a fork and diplomat, a mixture of Manny's and Sarah. It's so freakin good. It's the most excited I've been about food since quarantine started traderjoes Mac in Mac and cheese. A Great Ball, hack. Malin Saracho plus pretty much anything I will say. I got some of these I was I. was again taken aback? Dipping sauces not included, but that said I I put them in the oven. Clear you'll, you'll never let that betrayal go. That is a grudge. You'll take to your grave obvious one hundred percent. But the ten thousand years ago when you're robotic forum is traveling through the Galaxy. Mariner's sauce. Ha. The. The I will say that these nine people. They pictured them era. There is no Marinara. I am the last living life form. On I take my vengeance. I am Gigolo Joe. for May, I, Wondering couldn't make that could cost you I. Boy Gigolo Joe is going to disappoint a lot of. Gigolo Joe always around with that kid robot. Tracking and I'm like your Teddy Weinberg's. Let me say even call so me with the flesh. Fair, my friend. Let me, say the MAC and cheese bots were very very good. They really benefit from being in the oven or the toaster oven. Because that's the only way they crystal up I. Don't think that they don't even have microwave instructions. I do not. They do not supposed to put these up in the micro, but I thought they were very very tasty and the way I basically. Went through all of my trader Joe's options because trader joes is pretty much my default grocery store, but we almost never by these kinds of things. We basically never buy frozen meals prepared. I. It's just not what we what we go for. You're not in the frozen snacks category. We're not. We're not really in that category at all. It would be like you know. We'll buy a salmon fillet and some Bok Choy, and you know and May and cook that up. If we're going to the grocery store, but I will say that the MAC and cheese bites were. Categorized these things was worth the calories or not the MAC and cheese by. It's definitely worth the calories. They were delicious. I thought they were real highlight of this whole experience, Hodgman. Did you get those as well of course I did of course they did in honor of my friend David Reese. Guest, yes, of course, what'd you think of him? Let me. Let me say this. Well I could not believe my eyes. When don't things up in the microwave? But when I saw that box did not have a microwave instruction I was like Oh. This is something special because. I think there is a pretty much a law. That any pre-prepared thing. It's got to be heated up like that. They have to put the microwave. Von Because no one's ever going to do the oven. At this point, people are too lazy. Trader Trader Joe's like No. You gotta remember how to use your oven. At the very least headed up to four twenty-five. preheated. Put It on baking sheet? Seventeen to nineteen minutes now I did seventeen. O in the Middle Rack of the oven. Real specific. Yes. I did seventeen. And, then and then I observed the two minute cooling period that was also asked of me. And I put them out. And the two human children who live in my house. One of whose a very picky eater said I WANNA eat. Delicious And then my son, who's. More. More Catholic his tastes. Just ate the rest of them. Loved him barely saved one for me. My only thought was even though I observed observed the resting period of cooling period. For a frozen snack category item. There's a dangerous dangerously hot in the middle even after only seven minutes. You gotTa really like those things mellow because. I came close to burning the. Split Him with your fork. Oh and let it steam off for a minute, and then cooled off with mayonnaise. It's the pork soup dumpling. You got a puncture. It a little bit of that steam out or else you're gonNA. Get a real hot mouth full. which did you get those into my lesson? Did you get those Mac and cheese by its I? Certainly did wags. What have you gotta? The number of items got is probably I got I got quite a bit I like we got a lot of items I don't think we're GONNA. Be Able to spend a bunch of time on each of them, but let's let's just highlight a few, but let me about the MAC and cheese bites. The MAC and cheese biased. I thought well nick they were they were well done. I Cook them in my Air Fryer. I cooked quite a few things in my air. And it did it it it. It did the job they were great. I mean the thing that beat them the only thing that beat them of the kind of the frozen snacks I got. were, the Mozzarella sticks, and those were just some great. A mozzarella sticks from training shows. They were really they were better than the MAC and cheese bites. I liked I liked him better than the MAC and cheese bites. They were really really good. Do they have Mozzarella sticks with peanut stuck into them by any chance. I feel like the I wonder it feels like the Mac and cheese bites are almost engineered for oven heating and I. Feel like Mozzarella sticks may be wouldn't heat up in the oven as well versus you. Having the air friar is Kinda like a little, a little cheat code. I feel like that might have plus them up a bit. The, my my feeling with the MAC and cheese bites was that they were still? There's still like a little bit hard to handle. There's still kind of like A. They're still messy by design because they are cheese bites. And the Mozzarella sticks. The MOZZARELLA sticks were were were pretty perfect I mean it was like if I went to a restaurant Mozzarell- six. It was great and I also had. From, sadly leftover from one of my diet meals, which shows you what goes on on this podcast and how I'm just going to die in a couple years, no matter what. I had a side of Marinara sauce that I use for dipping with my Mozzarella sticks. And and also the MAC and cheese bites, but here's the most important question, did you did you have to? Was that a third party? Marinara sauce, or did they finally supply Marinara sauce as they promised? It was it was. I don't know that's a good question. Came from one of my zen meals, my then right? With the, they didn't include the Marinara with the Mozzarella sticks. They did not know. Yeah, that that to me seems like an oversight. Yes, seems like a little bit of efficiency. All speed through the rest of my refrigerated slash frozen meals are just a touch on them. The the MAC and cheese bites highlight the other highlight also Mac and cheese hatch Chile, MAC, and cheese. This was like a frozen. Micro this was microwaveable entree. Natalie recommended this and let me tell you something of a heat seeker. I like my food spicy. Just a little bit of hatch Chile went a long way towards making this not just tastes like A. Cheesy Mush that that had chilly hint I thought was was. Was Great I really enjoyed that one. The other ones I got meet lasagna, which was a refrigerated, not frozen dish that gave me higher hopes for it thinking that it would be a little bit fresher, but it just was a pretty flavourless lasagna. I mean just. Totally, not worth the calories to use biometric. The Kung Pao chicken which was frozen in which you heat up in a skillet actually came together pretty nicely. This reminded me of this. This was A. Yet dark meat chicken mixed vegetables, peanuts then spicy joy, soy ginger sauce, which came frozen. And pretty straightforward. Pretty brain dead to heated up. Reminded me of you know my two working parents growing up, and this would be sometimes a quick meal that they would prepare is like a frozen. Some sort of frozen stir fry. They'd get from the grocery store or get from Costco. It kind of reminded me of that. I think this a pretty good version of that. Not Super, flavorful I think you probably would benefit from adding adding a little Saracho. Your hot sauce of choice just to give this one a little bit something I also got a pioneer, which is an. Indian dish. I had some leftover non third party non that it was able to to sop up a little bit of this with decent, it was fine. I heated this one up in the oven. It came out okay. It was nice approximation of what you might get from an. From a decent Indian restaurant of course nowhere near that caliber, low gingery for my taste, ginger very forward, but overall I think these these meals were pretty good Let's let's run down the the other frozen meals. The other refrigerated frozen stuff that you guys got David. Let's start with you. Well the thing that I had been eating up until recently when I got spooked about the conditions at meat, packing plants not to make Mitch mad at me. Was this steak and Stout Pie you get? That really caught my eye, Kurosh there so. You get to you get two of them in a box and it's the same thing. Put them in the oven and then take him out and customize them I put cream. Well No! I jeez yeah, wanted to try it, but stop melting cream cheese on top of it would be really good. It was so delicious. I'm crazy for those two. I like the way you think David. Yeah I now I regret not I. Didn't think could make get them ready. In time before we recorded well, the former I think forty five to fifty. Yeah, the foreign, the foreign factor of those pies is so remarkable because they're about their there about the diameter of a drinking glass, and they're like nine inches tall like. Like towers I love those things those. Yeah, and I've had a lot of the Indian ones. You know like you were just talking about puncture with a fork. Throw them in the oven. And then it comes out, and it just tastes like mediocre Indian takeout, but that's fine. Yes, because the thing about trader Joe's is, it's not just whether it's worth the calories. It's also whether it's worth. The money and trader Joe's stuff is priced pretty. Fair you break the bank at a trader John. I was surprised by how I agree with that. How my bill come away sometimes from trader, Joe's being there has to be a mistake. There's no way I only spent thirty dollars. You know it's it's great so when I think about it. In terms of money I always think it's a good value for money. And all those Indian dishes of course are always going to be pitched straight down the middle. That's a spokesman for it. I don't know what it means, but you know I mean. It's going to be aimed at A. They're not going to be aimed. At Nick wijers a something of a heat secret Palette right. The spicing is going to be pretty. Bland and you can jump, you could. Doctorate Yourself Yeah you should plan on adjusting the seasoning. Dish wise look. Froze frozen. Look, I'm just. Here's what I'm going to say. Yeah I don't make lists. Store I tell stories. I went in there. I went in there with a mission. My friend David Re said the three things that he most cared about. That I. Try where the MAC and cheese bites. New Zealand Sharp Cheddar Yen's veg and veggie chips. So I knew I was going to get those three things. And then I was just going to look what caught my eye. And picked up a few things just did a little improvisation as in there and grabbed a few things that caught my eye. That's called Trader Jazz. Beatty Papa booth up dupe. Right Okra. Here's some cream corn. Yes, and I'll grab some. Some Brown gravy just goes. Play some place. Maybe you could put in some sort of royalty free. bebop jazz bed underneath the tail. You got it. Thank you very much. So I, went to the store. I. First thing I did was get the Mac and cheese bites. And it was a little hard to find them because I'm not a regular shopper there. Right I. I'd ask I'd ask the guys. The two guys in Hawaiian shirts were having a conversation about whether the famous mural of the smiling clown. At Coney, island inspired the joker and to me about thirty five minutes to get their attention so I get asked him in the Mac and cheese where they're having a good time. Good guys. got them wait, what's the answer? The answer no! No. The joker is inspired by the French film. The man who laughs. I didn't have time to tell them because I. Look. At them pretty hard, but I decided to let them have a good time. They're working. They're essential workers and they don't. They don't need me fact checking their banter. Only got a New Zealand Cheddar. And then I. The veggie chips to me David looked a little banal. Yeah they are. I felt like I've had that a lot okay? So I decided to to help. Go, instead of going to play the notes you don't hear. And I got a bag of Fried okra. while. You know like crispy. Fried Okra right. Hydrated Picked up were just along the way. Work. Some some spicy salmon. Frozen dumplings because I'd never heard of that before. Dumping. And I got a super D- in in the in the what we call the cold snacks and drinks or refrigerator I dunno, the category is. A Vegetarian Burrito because I thought my my daughter might eat that she didn't. She's late. And I got I got. I got a bomb. Oh, inspired rap now. I love a Cubano Sandwich the. Of South Florida. Invented in Florida by the way, not invented in Cuba, but invented in the cuban-american community. It is of course, roast, pork, Ham, Swiss, cheese, pickle and mustard. On a like a kind of French bread, or you know long long white loaf, then press down now. This and Get some cocktail. Sausages I need them, so this was impulse buys it by the end. The coupon to me was like. Can they do this right? How can you get? A coupon a sandwich out of a refrigerator case and half sounds really gross. Yeah, and I was, and I was you know this is going to be? I was skeptical, you know. Oh and I got the snack that I told you was the the the the the more wholesome recreation of eating peanut butter jar in my underwear. Bomb bus. ZOMBA's. Yes, it's it's a essentially. It's a trader Joe's inventions as I can tell. It's a cheeto puffed puffed cheeto, but instead of cheese flavored peanut butter flavored God. Rental! Disgust. It's really good really. Yeah, as soon as I got home, I, I took those out of the bag and I'm like this is going to be good afternoon. Real NAP after this? And I prepared everything. The way that I was supposed to prepare. I had the Okra the instead of the veggie chips and I would say. It was fine. It was not it was not to Okra E. Me Not enough. Wasn't a lot. They're very Aaron crispy. I had your New Zealand Cheddar very beautifully, balanced, sharp cheddar cheese love it. Now a lot of funk to it, but I enjoyed it. Spicy Salmon dumplings. thumbs-down! Salmon dumpling. That was a terrible idea. It's it's like someone shoved a locks into grauwe. Dumpling rapper was no good. To meet those. There's probably nobody that could pull that off. Gabino. I'm looking at it. I'm like. This thing's doomed from the start. Because coupon, one of the defining factors that component is that it is. Pressed flat and is is a hot sandwich. Knots so I took the liberty. Is there were no heating instructions, but I took the liberty. Of putting it in a pan and posting it one side and the other side. CAST IRON PAN And I was also eating up the Super Burrito in there, too, and that was working well, and I took the cast iron pan with the MAC and cheese bites out of it I had an inspiration. I slammed that cast iron pan down on top of the Cubano. That's awesome. I took a picture of it, you guys. I'll send it to you. It's the most incredible pack of my of my days. It will put on our social media mix to sit. The MAC and cheese bites cooled as the PAN cooled the press I enjoyed everything I had the MAC and cheese bites. I told you how I felt about them. I had the Super Burrito. Fine Becomes too much. It was incredible. Trader. Joe's is the best grocery store. This was a completely authenticity tasting. Awesome Kumano. It had real ham. It had real roast pork. The pickles were. Incredible incredible Lime Green. The mustard was so bright yellow. It's exactly what it should be. And the flavor was incredible. The Swiss cheese was perfect. And? At one at one point, My wife came over. She had a. she had a little laser eye surgery for retinal issue, the other day, oh boy, and and she and she realized she needed to go into. See the doctor today. Everything's fine. I just driven her to a follow up appointment that morning we drove back and it's weird thing going into Manhattan like you know in spacesuits kind of right. And then, and then I get this whole thing going and I'm having this Cubano. And she says I gotta go I gotta go back to the doctor. Thing to do and I'm like well. I can't drive you in because got a record this podcast that was the sacrifice by Maine's reversed. And she says. She said it's fine. I'm like thank you for understanding for the entire time. We're having this conversation can get back to the sandwich. Like I had this huge I kept saying like I'm so sorry. You have to go back with such a pain I'm sorry I can't do it. No, no, it's fine. It's like I understand I probably. I would seem more sympathetic, but I wasn't shutting the Sandwich I'm out in the same time myself when it hits, it hits when they get something right. They get so right. Right and I think a huge part of shopping at trader Joe's and probably a lot of grocery stores is just taking a look at something called salmon dumplings, and being like they're not gonna be able to pull that off. I'm not gonNA take. Yes, you know. I'm just GONNA. Live on Mac and Cheddar bites for the rest of my life, but I'm glad for this platform. And I'm grateful for it, so that I can say to the people. Do. Get the Cubano inspired rap, but do no. You have to heat that up. You gotTA heat it up. Otherwise Not GonNa work I would never have Dana try it. Were it not for that endorsement that it sounds delightful. I WANNA come on Bombo real quick because I looked them up. I assume they were of based on the Naval Nick. We've had bombed I'm remembering because I was like I was like. Are they Latin American in origin, but no, they're from Israel. They're the. Best selling snack in Israel are Bomba peanuts snacks, and this is trader Joe's riff on them all right so there you go i. had no idea I had no idea either I'm US spoon man. What else did you get from? What else was your? Give us your your whole trader. Joe's real. Quick I got twenty seven items. Total Jesus Christ. which came out to just about eighty bucks was a swear. It's the best. Yes, the price point is very good. It's sick. Here's what I here's what I bought with intentions of trying, but I didn't have it strawberry Chai drink non-fat lactose. Free Milk, honey, OHS which I've had before organic mango fruit bars, three cheese pizza. What's also had before and I? Think is great, temporary chicken with sweet and sour sauce pork Yozo. Organic mango, fruit bar. Apple. Already said. Sorry there Oh so I had twenty six items. I'm a fool apple. Raspberry dried fruit bar, and then here are the things that I ate why? Organic eight or drink organic cold brew hibiscus and lemonade. Organic Watermelon, Jerky Movie Theater Popcorn, organic beef jerky lie made sublime ice cream sandwiches hold the cone ice cream cone, Mozzarella, stick, tater tots, many chicken Tika. Chicken Tika samosas. She's French fries and cheese. Bites Spicy. Chicken Wings Soft Pretzel Bambino Michio beats a just the lobsters. What are these we'll? We'll talk about them in a second fruit snacks and An apple strawberry dried fruit bar I got two of those I. Just had one. That's my whole rundown. What a Hall Yup Yeah I just kept grabbing! And I ate quite light since an incredible list. Like, like not not a great story. Mike Hodge I see more of a list man, not a story. This is a list podcast. Got? You I apologize wouldn't have anything. That asshole thing for me to say and. Like Hodgman I woke up. In the middle of the night, it was three M. I said there's no way I'm GONNA eat all this tomorrow at Three Am. Wow no I prepared. I had some I had some of the movie theater popcorn I had a piece of actually that's not true. I take it back. This is my. This is my favorite story of all time at at three at three am. I had a hold. The cone ice cream shuttled to Harris widows whose idea that was basically, and they are very good. Sublime ice cream sandwich, which is one of the best ice cream sandwiches in the game I also got. That was delightful. Mozzarella sticks TATER tots. Many chicken Tika Tika Samosas, French, fries, MAC, and cheese by spicy chicken wings. You ate all of that in three in the morning. At three in the morning. It's not as bad as it sounds I did like one piece of. I see got it. Tasting Menu. A tasting menu at three am. And then today I had the Bambino Cheese Pizza and I had the apple strawberry fruit bar, just lobsters and the Pretzel, and then when I got back from my run last night I did the watermelon. Organic Walla Mon jerky in the in the beef, Jerky and the popcorn and the and the lemonade. What is watermelon? Jerky. The worst thing I've ever had. Jesus Christ. It's terrible huge strikeout by trader. Joe's there I mean like what is it though? He's right on dry is basically dried watermelon. Let's take the wettest fruit and turn it into the dryest snap. It doesn't. It doesn't make sense. Really the idea of it just doesn't make any sense, he he trader Joe I. Know that as a rough trader man which I do think is the best character for him, but he is in many ways. Like an organic Willy Wonka. The instead of a river river of chocolate. He's got fucking OATMEAL or some shit. I, don't know He. And there's like some things that are going to work great, and you're going to get these great Turkey Burger patties that you can cook up real gray, and then there's going to be these organic, fucking watermelon jerky slices that are the worst thing on earth. Sometimes they just don't get it right, but their original stuff is very very very very good. When when it hits, it's it's really great. That frozen pizza is one of the best frozen pizzas that frozen cheese pizza. Is that the one you're eating that one is great. That was that was the one I was eating at the start of this. Of this episode, and also I WANNA say my experience as far as going there I don't like parking to trader. Joe's and I. Don't go to trader Joe's. That much, because it just always seems like such a chore to me, It is just like a it's just it's going to be crowded. There's going to be like Beverly Hills type. MOMS who stare you down if you get in their way while trying to grab some cheese or something. And The checkout can kind of be chaotic, but I will say this. Of all the places I've gone during the. Lockdown or the quarantine? Trader Joe's had it down better than anyplace they were early. They were very very early to adapt with social distancing with putting arrows on the floor plan to make it. Very clear we talk about the queue the line experience there. They've got the Q. All setup so as an socially distance inside the store outside the store, so yeah I agree I've been going to trader Joe's regularly throughout and this place this versus like a Ralph's. which is our kroger out here? It's night and day. It's such a better that they've got. The system solved a and they. They put a lot more thought into how it's executed. Nick, did you when you got there? So guy came out and was like you can't bring bags. which was good because I had I, put it back in my car, and then he said everyone keeps six feet apart. Who's doing telling everyone what to do then when you got to the front, someone gave you a pump of. Of what you call it, the antennas hand sanitizer. As you will. Joe's fiscus watermelon. And I took a SWIG. It was great, and then you. Go in there, and and yeah, you follow the arrows, and then on the way out. They also gave you another pump of sanitizer on the way it was, it was the most well done. It felt like they cared. They wouldn't allow anyone in the store without masks it was they did it well, so yes, a fight broke out in mind this morning God. See. Well a couple of people were were spoiling for a fight I was. I was in line to check out so I had my feet on the painted footprints, where I was supposed to be standing socially distant, and so you know because you have to line six feet apart from each other, the line kind of snakes around the store, so all of a sudden we heard near the doors. You know thirty feet behind me a couple of people I think that guy's going like you WanNa start something you want to be starting something. I think that's fight. Talk, right. I mean it was or or Michael Jackson Song The item. Feelings where? When when a real fight is about to happen or is happening? Everyone's confused because it's such a such a rupture of reality. That you can feel that energy. I didn't even hear what they're saying but I. Just felt this Weird Energy and I turned, and it got louder and all this Hawaiian shirt. Employees just moved in very calmly. de-escalated. And took care of it was weird for them to. But, as even though I was reading those guys, we're talking about the joker and Senate. Tell me where the MAC and cheese bikes. That when when real stuff is happening there on top of that? I really appreciated the staff there they de escalated like Steve Wilco on the Jerry Springer show. Why I gotTA. Tell you with. My Lai made which I really liked the Lai made i. use the spin drift. The drift raspberry lime flavor mixed in some of that lie mate, and it was a great combo, so anyone anyone who uh looking to make a nice little treat. The calories from the made I have a similar I have a similar take on that which we'll get to in one second, but we're up against the clock, so we should get to our final thoughts so so. Let me quickly. Run down. Everything will go through ten categories of piece. This is gonNA take forty minutes. Really going to go, we're going to do ten categories of peace. For God's Sakes, but no, we don't have to. Wait Mitch. WHO's grocery stores? Length is this. It is my grocery store month. Say like trader Joe. It's friendly. It's my crews restore month while I forgot what grades here. I was a minute where he was like Lord humongous from. Mad Max I duNNo, if so, we work that go. Take there's in friendly. Friendly Grocer spoons grocery store month. Groceries in their. GREENGROCER. Friendly Green Grocer Spoon Man's grocery store. There's ten right out of Gorey's. Overall Impressions! This includes the name and mascot. Or what you thought of my mascot, the trader, Joe's gruff guy that trades for the items parking to. Produce? Yeah! We've gone through this list several times. Just. Say Overall. Let's do overall impressions first and then start. I gotta I'M GONNA. Take Control. Back I'm sorry snacks. Rosenstein Molly I want I. Want you to run free but I'm always a double Reed Art. Controls their life cold slash shrinks threat. That's right. He's just GONNA. Keep going. It's going to check out. Check out tweeting. Bagging in carts price and then disqualified because of the current situation is hot bar. That's the eleventh category. Sorry wags our guy. Is Eliminated. Okay, so here's what we'll do. We'll each go round. We'll give our closing. Thoughts on traderjoes touch on any of those categories you feel like you like you WanNa touch on, and then end by giving a I, guess instead of a fork score. Perhaps we should give a cart score this month Mitch out of ten carts, and so you just you just think of every category. Oh ten cards so instead of zero to five cards. It's out of ten cards. That's right. It's grocery store month wider, so we've thresholds. For. The clubs as well. That's right. Okay all right well. We'll figure all this out, but John Hodgman. You've done this show before we'll. We'll start with you your final thoughts and rating on traderjoes. All right, so you know the overall, the overall report is this is a real grocery store. That's that's the thing I didn't understand. We touched mostly on the novelty snacks in the frozen delights, and and the GUMMY lobsters. We didn't get to talk about that. Mitch Bagful of Gummy lobsters. Only lobsters thought about that thought about you thought about New England. I think there is still a very strong novelty store aspect to it, but. You know second. What's the third category produce? They add a lot of it. All looked good. Don't know what to say about it. I got some Kale not going to review that Kale good. Good. Parking was not an issue because of. Where the? Party was not an issue because it was, it was an in Brooklyn I walked. The checkout was fantastic and. Say You know we've we've been through all of this. The hoity Toity nece. Thing the trader. Joe's has got a reckon with. IT IS A. It is a little. Twenty is a it is not a run-of-the-mill grocery store. It presents itself as some kind of weird adventure. A it's got A. It's got an advocation to it. And the appropriateness of that affect I think is. A reasonable thing to question at this point. I won't tell you the story about my son's Tiki. Themed Birthday Party. In the year when he torches suddenly became very very very old boy his. Birthday party. But in any case And, honestly it is that theme ing. Of Trader Joe's that is so attractive to so many people that had turned me off for so long. That I but I but I that Cubano Sandwich and the overall experience and the price tag honestly I mean I just presumed because of the theme. This is going to be a money grab, but it was. I bought lots of stuff, not for the show, but just for my family to eat. And it was a very very reasonable price tag at the end of the day so. Out of out of ten carts. With the ten that the the the supermarket? That is closest to perfection in my mind, the Jensen supermarket and Blue Bluejays California wow. Wow. I'm going to do a whole podcast that a ten part podcast Jensen's bridge I'll. Walk the walk walk the aisles with Hodgman. That's not a podcast, never mind. I'm going to give this a eight eight. Wow eight out of ten carts by the way walk aisles. That is a podcast. That's a home run walked. Idols will hodgman. It's not a good title. It's hard to say great height. Walk the aisles. Run the jewels. Walk the aisles. I was trying to run the tools. Is trying to think of a run the jewels thing. All right David Reese your final thoughts on trader. Joe's and your cart rating out of ten cards trader. Is a wonderful grocery store I really honestly look forward every week to biking to my local trader Joe's and filling up my gigantic Japanese courier bag with groceries and biking home. I love doing it when it was a part of my life in Brooklyn I love doing it now that it's a part of my life in Los Angeles. It is probably the only grocery store that doesn't increase my stress level when I enter it. Because it is. Perfectly to under stocked with food I feel very calm and confident when I go through the aisles of traderjoes as to its overall aesthetic I. Associate Trader Joe's in my mind very strongly with Harry Belafonte Harry. Belafonte is one of the great heroes of my life. I think he has the most beautiful voice. He's obviously very strongly associated with Calypso music, and part of here Philip part of Harry Belafonte as mission as a performer was to show that there are different traditions of folk music throughout the world, and he dipped his toes into all those different. Traditions, so, that's why you have Harry. Belafonte singing Havana Gila along with the Banana Boat Song along with American spirituals along with everything else and I think that spirit of sort of dorky friendly curiosity. is very sweet. I'm not sure that trader Joe's aesthetic is quite that innocent, but. I do take comfort in the fact that they very darkly try to make Indian food or other quote, unquote ethnic cuisine I guess that become can be considered problematic, but because I don't consider the store, a cynical corporate entity. It doesn't bother me as much as if some other grocery stores were doing it. I think the MAC and cheese bites are one of the sensual highlights of my time in. Quarantine. And I have to say that the checkout experience at the court street trader Joe's is the single. Best Queuing and checkout experience I cannot literally cannot imagine a better checkout process for any transaction than to checkout process at the court streeter. It is an absolute pleasure to Q. in that line and watch your progress as you approach the register. I give traderjoes out of ten carts. Eight out of ten cars. How could how seems load? Honestly David I don't think a grocery store can achieve ten out of ten carts. I think the game is into. Jensen's with me. Yeah, that's a great Greenwich. Get, their liverwurst sandwiches and we have a good time when we're driving around eating sandwiches, but that's a seven as bellows ground. That's a that's A. Hodgson sensed. Hodgman. Did you just Bang your gavel? No Bang that Cubano? Frank. Oh there Oh, my God. Gobbles not messing around. Brought the gavel onto the camera. IT IS A. It's like a fucking What's what's? A croquet mallet. Boy I'M GONNA. It's a wider I hope I hope you get brained by that thing one day and it can be a podcast. Nick Weicker was killed by. John Hodgman's mallet or talk. Suddenly, it's not Mr Down. Episode about a Croquet Tournament Wild. Nick. Wire was brained by John Odgen Croquet Mallet by John Hodgman. Mystery is why did it take so long? I'm just kidding wider I adore you, you know I, do it's how I hope to go. I'd love to be administered some judge dredd style instant justice by your hand about Mitch. Let's get to your your TJ's review. All right. I like trader. Joe's a lot I think that it's original. First of all. Yes is it? Is it, is it? Slightly problematic as it is taking all these kind of. Different foods from around the country and and kind of putting. A white. Like a stuffy white upper class spin on them and making you know what I mean I sort of sort of exotic sizing like in a kind of cutesy way Zata. Food is treater Jose's when they switched. Discontinued I don't think they do that anymore, but they used to have like a different. They changed the name of Joe to fit whatever culture the food was from. that. To me, that feels like very late nineties. Like right? Our hearts are in the right place. We don't. We don't know what we don't know. The ramifications, the full, not not all the studied. deconstructionist's literature Yale. I also did by the way but um. I took it as it was just one semester. I went over there to get to class. Remember. This. Series of days, novels Mich and John At Yale We're we're in for coats and boater hats and Crash all women poof parties. I. Was! I was crew boy at one point. I will say this that as far as their originals go. Let Sublime ice cream sandwich, the whole the cone. The Harris Whittle's idea like. I said before the lime. The lime made that movie theater popcorn the. Mozzarella sticks all these originals fantastic so good. And and just really really high quality food. Trader Joe's loses points for me in the chaos of the parking lot. And in the eyes of. The upper class men and women who stare me down when I'm in the. Supermarket. I think it's a great great supermarket. I think eight average score of Eight. All around would put it into. Green Grocer Mitch's. How your water. I The free not the freezer and action friendly Green Grocer Front. Screen Mitch's. It gets the. Scream comes up. Agree. Green thumbs up. That's what the golden plate equivalent of green. Get the green. Grocer Mitch Green thumbs up. Against the Green Grocer Mitch Green thumbs up. except I'm going to give it seven carts in the basket it gets. It gets seven cards and a basket. A basket is a half guard. The baskets. A half cart got very very very good. It just a to me. The test is do I go there a lot and I. don't I don't like right. Oh, they're! The trader Joe's and Silverlake to like David Reese. A yes I. Yeah I want to. The. Parking lot is a mess. It's much better to bike. Yeah, that's easily easily worth half card to merit for sure I would even knock down a car. If I was driving their car I would talk it as well. That's pure chaos. I think it would get up into the into the eight swagger. I'm still honestly questioning because I do think the originals are so good I think that they do produce. All their produce is fresh, and it's also delivered in a way. That's like easy in college was pointing out that it's like smaller more manageable. It's almost sold. which may be hey, maybe it's a waste of packaging, but it is also like. Oh, you get four tangerines and this little thing, and it's very easy to handle, and you can just put them on the shelf at home and they're great in this away. I'M I won't. Market Juggling thirty five Tangerines, can't my hand. But yeah. I'm going to go seven seven cards. Sorry. Seven carriages one seven seven carts one basket. I think seven cards. Thank you, yeah, yes, I think I'm mostly with the consensus here just to touch on the other snacks that they didn't touch. That didn't get to earlier. I got enterpise, which is a crunchy Greenpeace snack, basically like a for a snap pea chip, which was just kinda insubstantial and flavourless, and also just seemed to have similar carbs to a potato chips, so I'm not sure what I'm getting out of it. Natural Turkey Jerky, which had good jerk. Love that leap that a lot. You're right Jerky. The NACHO cheese tortilla chips, which was like which was like their. NACHO CHEESE DORITOS and they were just not nearly as good they were. They were like a stale Nacho cheese to read out on this. Ice. Cream Sandwich you mentioned Mitch. Which I got, and I thought that was delightful, a great sweet treat. It's this ring of mini chocolate chips on the outside on the circumference, which is great, and then a watermelon cucumber cooler like you mentioned. Mitch. This is wanted benefits from diluting it a little bit I think that this was natalie's idea to T-. Take about half of it and put the rest like it a little bit of sparkling water in there because it is, it can be a little bit too sweet, but it is a nice refreshing flavour and a little bit effervescence got against it. You guys touched on. The like It's kind of. It's kind of this. This general Tiki Pastiche, which is you know we see in a lot of of tiki bars, which is kind of ambiguous and not necessarily really tied to any specific culture and yeah, that is an element of trader Joe's marketing and their in store experience that I'm not necessarily the person to speak onto how a appropriate that is or isn't i. do know that Tiki culture is like just a thing that exists, but the thing that I find problematic about trader Joe's. Is kind of the corporate practices because I think they have good products and I think they have great workers is the working and the people who work there are by and large, just some of the best employees in food. Service of you work at traderjoes. Thank you for your service. But there've been a lot of questions about how they source working Robbins Fuck you. Everyone who works in the foods and the food service sector. Could not do this show without you and I would say that the there are. There are many questions about how they source their food. How they package their food. You touched on Mitchell. A lot of their packaging is very very wasteful. Their labor practices aren't necessarily great. Day punished some of their workers recently for wearing black lives matter masks and threatened to close a store as a result. Result of some of some workers attending a protest, that's not good shutout at trader. Joe's Union who was organizing their workers, and doing doing some good work with the employees there, so I think just just just to speak in general, because this will come up throughout not just during grocery store month, but it it comes out in general with this podcast is that we're never endorsing the company? Because a lot of these companies are all run by goals, even even a place like trader. Joe's that puts a liberal face on their their franchise on their company. They are overall just like generally have some onerous business practices behind them, and that's the case here. That said I I am going to go with Mitch in terms of evaluating the fair and the service experience that you get from a trader Joe's and for me, that lands me in the Hand Holding Club with you Mitch. With Green Grocer with Friendly Green Grocer Mitch I'm right there with you. Seven carts and one basket seven and a half carts, just out of the green thumb clouds them. It's. It's changed its. Green Friendly Greengross and Mitch's Grocer's Freezer Club. It didn't get into the Gross Laos. Club didn't get into the Grocer's freezer, club, but there will be other opportunities for other entries didn't get into the world. Didn't get into the walking. You. Know what I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA. Mend my score because I was not aware. I'll buy missed it, but I was not aware of those labor practices I was just scanning. The WIKIPEDIA didn't get down there I was so excited by seeing that Brookline was the first East Coast location didn't get down to the controversy around that so I'm GonNa. Dump my score down half a cart and join you guys, seven seven cards and half past. My God, you guys. Sorry David I is that was a review of trader Joe's. It's time for a segment. I've got a food related survey and Mitch, David and John will compete to get the results. Let's play the family food. Special theme song of the Family Food is the Richard Karn era family feud theme Song Remix? David I'm glad you got it a lot of our listeners. I feel like don't don't get upon, but it is upon so if you do get it, hit us up on your social under social media. Let us know what you think it is, so here's how it works where we get to the most correct. Without collecting three strikes will win. And the category top six answers or on the board for the biggest grocers in America, I will say that trader. Joe's is not on this list. We were guessing the biggest grocers in America and if you guess a brand of an umbrella company, I will give that to you because a lot of times. This be a company. They may may be familiar with the name of but the you're familiar with the stores in their arsenal. But if but if you if I if I pick store A. That is owned by Mega Corp, yes, and David Pick store be. That is owned by Mega Corp.. Only Mega, Corp is on the board right? Yes, correct. Yes, okay, so here's. How the so we know the rules. Let's get into it. Mitch you play you play the family food before. Would you like to go i? Sure okay top six answers around the board six biggest grocers in America. Oh I got to say which one pick one. Yeah, that's how it works. Get taken yes. My answer is top six grocers in America. Where you pick one. You got to pick one I- Ralph's. Row Ralph's rouse pick. Is Ralph's give me? The judges need to check one thing real quick boy. Okay. Okay here we go. You are correct as good answer sound from the snes video game family feud. You could drop those in later, you know. Them Live Routes is owned by the Kroger. Company which is number two number to answer on the board. I mentioned that earlier that Ralph's was owned by Kroger, but I had to double check, and it is correct so there you go according to Food Industry Dot Com Kroger number two, so kroger is out now. No one else can guess. Kroger is out if you guess if you guess like Smith's market, which is also owned by Kroger. That it does not count because that was already off the board. Do you want to say some of the other ones? Since Kroger is off, that would process of elimination. Yet I mean. I'll just say Kroger Kroger tweeter. Smith's Ralph's are some of their their brands base brands. Yes, Hodgman, a one of the top six grocers in America's top sixty say top six. Kroger's off the board I'M GONNA I'M GONNA shout out to New England stop and shop wow. Guess Stop and shop one second the judges researching. Okay, here we go. To answer yeah. Wow. Stop and shop is correct. Stop and shop is part of. A whole delhaize USA which also owns food, lion and Hannaford. Bird number four in the nation John Hodgman. You're correct. I David one of the top six grocers in America to answer off the board I'm GONNA soon. Number one is Walmart. Oh Wow. Oh, wow. I mean. I can tell we are playing. With a pro. Good answer. Yeah to answer. Yes Walmart. Is Number One far and away the biggest grosser in America? How as Rim as that is that? More groceries are sold at Walmart than anywhere else. Two hundred eight billion dollars in sales more than double the second-place Kroger. Wow. So three or left Mitch you WanNa, take a swing at it three more of the six biggest grossers in America here on the family food. Wider yes. I'm going with. Wegmans good answer. Good answer, good answer Reagan's. The judges have to check very popular, very popular boy. Oh. Sorry Mitch Wagmans is not on the board. Wakeman's does not have it does not compete with the big, unfortunately, although it is a beloved regional chain. Sick all right Hodgman. You're up again. Mitch has one strike. Three answers are left on the board. This is in the United States in the United States. Yes, according to Food Industry Dot Com. Hodgman, are you wearing Dan Os de Cap Detroit? Tigers wondering when someone's going to notice that rules. You guys you guys did. Classic? Swap out yeah. This thing this is the second time I've worn it. He kept your Nordic set. Yeah I kept the Nordiques at it was a trade. Yeah. All Right? Sorry. Thanks for that distraction, but I can't help him. Come up with anything. Else Food Lines off the board. WHAT ABOUT COSTCO? COSCO that was on my shortlist. Guess? Let's find out. No surprise Osco, not on the board. David Mitch and Hodgman HFS strike there three answers remain. Take another swing. I'm in a I'm a press, my luck and say target. Target? Target is the gap. It sells a lot of groceries. Survey says. Like Walmart has shifted a lot of its business towards groceries, but it is not in the top six Oh interesting, right three three answers remaining so back to you well, hang on, let me just make sure. I understand the contours of the game at this point. Yes, we each have a strike. Yes, there three answers on the board. There, the each of these is some anonymous Mega Corporation that we've never heard of. But yet, but operates a brand that you're familiar with right, and so the rest of this is going to be us. Guessing. Random supermarket chains and hoping one of them is owned by a colossus. All go down in flames. Compelling another words. More of a long. Story but that's. That's. Being said. My answer is Albertson's Albert's. Does answer. Albertsons is MS answer survey says. Good answer! Wow, that's any s family. Feud agrees Albertson's number. Three operates Safeway Albertsons and said is merged with fawns. All right to remaining the number five and number six answers are up on the board John Hodgman back to you. I would. I would request. Possible. That should I got this one wrong that I be awarded to strikes so okay, so we can end. This faster got it although albertson's was surprise bit of drama. Right, so this is for two strikes potentially two strikes potentially and I'm going to guess. Jensen supermarket and Blue Jay California. Way feels like. Really feels like he just took a dive their phone to be honest. You're hoping to try to get the podcast over with I. Have a family, maybe a service to our listeners. You get you get two strikes there. Give me another strike. Share my screen again. Play the sound effect again. Two strikes for John Hodgman. You've been disqualified. It's down to David back to the Green Room. All the. Video or wider by the way. I'm going to honor David mid, western, heritage and guests. I see. I see. I could see them being owned by a gigantic, isn't that? Isn't that I g? G Iga. Market is that it's A. I remember it from ninety s from nineteen ninety s Ohio. So I think you're right. I think it's IGA. Let's Let's what we'll say. This is also for to straight. Yes, sure. And I say that perhaps telling what the answer is going to be. How? Mitch you of one the family food. The other answers are remaining on the board. As we put this segment down like a racehorse that broken leg. The number five public supermarkets and number H E. H., e. b., which is well known in Texas H. E., but Grocery Company. The official name never heard. Key but. H E book grocery. He but? That was the family food just like a restaurant. You've all your feedback. Let's up to the feedback and hey. We got a voicemail today. Let's let's take a listen to this real quick. Hey, dude, boy! This is Andy from Ohio. To see like. What kind of foods aren't gas stations that you wish were in gestation. Ultra me personally I'm on the Kito Diet like some more. Option. And on a side note. I gotta cat. What's your name at all right? Thanks, guys. Do Lakers view. I'm guessing by the time this episode is released the cat. Thank you, Andy. From Ohio for the call. The cat will have already been named, but if anyone has any cat names in addition to any gas station foods, they wish were present anything come to mind Mitch any any gas station. Fair. You wish existed. The doesn't already I misunderstand that you don't you wish you wish a gas station carried? This does. I mean He. He hit on low carb options and I think that's always the thing. Sometimes love some hard boiled eggs there, but those are always suspect I think that's just the issue with with low carbs, stuff is hard to. Produce it scale, and it tends to be Steph, except for unless you're dealing with like Jerky or and the odd nut I'll tell you many years ago, I was in Oxford Mississippi. Working on a magazine story. And I went into a shell station. And they were offering barbecue and hot case. This is a gas station food that does exist, but only in one place, yes. And there are offering barbecue ribs and a hot case. And I decided. Against my better judgment to try this gas station barbecue. And it was incredible. Wow, and the guy, the the kid who was working the. Case goes yet actually this the. The shell station. Sorry, the the kid was working. The counter explained that the barbecue the shell station a separate the barbecue is is being made out back by. This guy is called B.'s barbecue, and I can't remember his name, but he's the guy who does competition barbecue like wow, one of the best barbecue in his outlet. Is this shell station? I mean walked me back and he showed me this massive smoker that had back there where he's been refining barbecue technique forever it was it was memphis style, dry, rub or cred barbecue, and it was incredible, and it was like why not have that in every gestation? It doesn't take that long to learn how to pump out some pretty good ribs on a smoker. You could be doing all day long. And everyone by that stuff. That's that's a great answer. That's amazing. The hot case in in a gas station I mean the way when you see it and they do it right. It's always a welcome surprise. There was one I worked I worked at a building that was right by gas station. That hot case did more conventional hot food. But you know it was not bad for a budget lunch. David or Mitch anything that comes to mind is as wish. A gas station had this, but it does not. I think. Is a good name for the cat. That's my contribution. I can't. I'm always happy when a gas station has a banana. But that doesn't happen so a good Benin I. Think would be nice. Yeah I Nick I. I would like. A couple of things one I would like a good. Burger because I feel like every gas station burgers bad, so a good cheeseburger burger and a good chicken sandwich, and then here's my thing. That's not billable that I'm going to toss out. Their church rose. Zero Sherwood we fun sure Chorro a Nice Charles for the road. You hold it in the paper. Eaten as you're driving runs. On the sweet sweet treat front. I like that makes me think of a case of like a like a thrifty style case of ice cream by the scoop. If they had if they had just like a few ice cream flavors, they could scoop out something into a dish on a cone on a hot day on a road trip. How Fun would that be? You don't just have the ice cream novelties that you get out of there, but they they'll actually scoop something for you. I'd love that tough tough drive in the with the Congress. You can do it with a cone. You can do it. Yeah, you can drive with account. I Call I call. Wally is a nickname. Baba and I think that's a good name I, always I call wally Bubba and then I'm looking here at these at this better homes and gardens list of funny cat names. I'm sure there's some killers on that list. I'm. GonNa I'm GonNa say that number one. They actually have bubba here. Number four, but number one is is. Is Bill Cosby so this? This list needs to be one hundred. Yeah. Needs to be updated. Data on that list. Two Thousand Twenty Oh no, no Oh boy, better homes and gardens. Get, your get your home and garden hose words better. Homes and gardens rebranded. It's two thousand fifteen. which I don't know I don't know where that lines. Yeah! Suspect! Claudia with claw like. Sure Claudia that's pretty good cuddles cute. Empress. Foxy Cleopatra. I mean there's a lot of good stuff here, but I- Bubbas. My Nixon, my nickname for for awhile in. Did did did they say what type of cat it was? More details, no more details beyond what was on the call, just a just a cat. Here's here's. Madam Yau I. Always enjoy. A cat that has a boring human name. Rain good like I've I'm still waiting to meet a cat named Scott. And I would like I would like Andy name his cat Scott. 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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jeanine herbst the first. Us death from Corona virus happened outside. Seattle Washington. Federal health officials say. It was a man in his fifties with underlying medical issues in response to the growing Corona Virus. The trump administration is issuing new travel restrictions internationally. Npr Selena Simmons. Duffin has more in a press conference. Vice President Pence shared the new restrictions on travel to and from Iran and parts of Italy and South Korea. There's already an unrelated travel ban from Iran. Now that's expanded to include any foreign national who has visited Iran in the last fourteen days. The outbreak regions in Italy and South Korea have been elevated to a level four travel warning the highest level meaning. Do not travel. China already has a level for travel warning. President trump also said they're very strongly considering restrictions on the southern border with Mexico. Although there have been very few diagnosed cases of Corona virus in Mexico. He said he hopes they won't have to Selena. Simmons Duffin. Npr News polls are closed in South Carolina's Democratic presidential primary and former vice president. Joe Biden has won that primary according to the SOCIETAS press. The big question of the battle was who if anyone would emerge as a leading alternative to Bernie Sanders? Npr's Mara Liasson has more on that aspect. Sanders is the clear front runner. He's been getting twenty-five. Maybe a little more than that percent of the vote in these states. He's well positioned in California and some other states but the the rest of the candidates altogether the center left candidates together have a much bigger chunk of the Democratic Vote Bernie. Sanders does but as long as they're all in the race. None of them are going to be the nominee because they're splitting the Anti Sanders vote so the question is out of South Carolina. Who if anyone will emerge as the number one opponent to Sanders. Npr's Mara Liasson and again the Associated Press is calling the South Carolina Democratic presidential primary for former vice president. Joe Biden now. The next contest is Super Tuesday. That takes place next week as fourteen states take part in the. Taleban signed a deal today on a peace deal. And here's Michelle Kellerman. Reports Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo says the US will be watching closely to see if the Taliban follows through on their commitments to break with al Qaeda and begin. Peace talks with Afghanistan's government and civil society leaders. This is how we will ensure that Afghanistan never again serves as a base for international terrorists. Taliban official who signed the deal says he hopes with the withdrawal of foreign forces that Afghanistan can embrace a new prosperous life the US will begin the process of drawing down troops to eighty six hundred in the first one hundred thirty five days U. S. officials say the rest will be drawn down as conditions allow. You're listening to. Npr news the legal challenge over the White House's immigration policy isn't over after a three judge panel on the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals temporarily suspended. President Trump's policy of makings asylum seekers weighed in Mexico while their cases were heard in US immigration courts. The administration appealed well now. The court says the administration will submit written arguments by the end of the day. Monday and plaintiffs will submit. There's by the end of the day Tuesday. Some twenty five thousand asylum seekers are currently waiting in Mexico and very few have lawyers to represent them. The man behind the popular grocery store chain trader. Joe's has died Joe. Colom was eighty nine years old as NPR's enemy-held reports his stores have devoted customers with a wide range of tastes. Yes behind those boxes of inexpensive internationally inspired by its. There was a real trader. Joe It was nineteen fifty eight in Pasadena California when joke loam a young Stanford Graduate Sawn Opportunity. He told perfect business. He decided to cater to an untapped demographic a more educated American with an interest in travel a road that the warriors of education. You have the more you drink. Two Buck Chuck was born stocked by clerks decked out in Hawaiian shirts. Two images of the cell sees. The store took off expanding to hundreds of locations. Nationwide Colom Sole Trader Joe's to German retailer. Aldean one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. In his retirement. He remained active in the food. And Wine World Amy held. Npr News. And I'm Janine herbst and you're listening to. Npr news from Washington.

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"Live from NPR news in Washington on Joel Snyder ceremony getting underway in the Qatari capital Doha the US and the Taliban signing a historic deal. That will begin. The process of American forces withdrawing from Afghanistan eighteen years after they first toppled Taliban rule impurity a hadeed reports from Doha. The deal will take place in the ultra-modern Sheraton Hotel in Doha. The capital of the Gulf state of Qatar in a once unthinkable site Taliban officials spotting turbans mingled in the same lobbyist suited American officials and dignitaries in white robes and headdresses. This deal was hammered out in over a year of negotiations mediated by US on voice. All my hulls odd and it comes after an unprecedented week-long partial trees coniston between the Taliban USA. Nato forces gun troops the first part of this agreement will see the drawdown of thousands of American troops and the start of political negotiations between the Afghans and the Taliban those negotiations are expected to be long complicated and withdrawal of foreign forces partly depends on their success dea deed and Beyond News Doha Secretaries to Mike Pompeo's into Honda witness. The signing Defense Secretary Mark Asper arrived in Kabul today to meet with the Afghan president and NATO's secretary general polls are open in South Carolina's Democratic Primary Bernie Sanders widely seen as a national front runner but South Carolina's estate where Joe Biden expects to do well as NPR's is McCullough reports. Even though a number of Democratic presidential candidates had been traveling two states that vote on Tuesday. Joe Biden has campaigned exclusively in South Carolina. This week it's a sign of how important the state is to any hopes. He has of becoming the nominee but today as South Carolinians head to the polls he'll be in neighboring North Carolina State that votes on March third then head back to South Carolina for a party in Colombia Biden and Tom. Steyer are the only two candidates who plan to stay in South Carolina for when the polls close a Smith. Npr News Greenville South Carolina officials along the Pacific coast looking into four more presumptive cases of the new strain of corona virus in the US officials. Say One of the new cases in Washington state is likely travel-related the other as well as one in California and another in Oregon unexplained infections as Mercy Silman Member Station K. U. O. W. reports a high school student in snohomish county north of Seattle tested positive yesterday for the novel Corona Virus. This is the first community acquired case of coveted nineteen in Washington state. The high school he attends will be sanitized over the weekend and will remain closed on Monday. Snohomish county health officials have started testing his close contacts for the virus. Seattle health officials. Friday reported another mild case of the virus in a woman in her fifties who traveled to South Korea in mid February a third presumptive case of the viruses pending confirmation in suburban Seattle for NPR news. I'm Marcie so mean in Seattle this is NPR. Federal Appeals Court in Southern California is giving the trump administration until the end of the day on Monday to file written arguments in a case challenging a White House immigration policy. The courts has plaintiffs in the case. Should file a response on Tuesday at issue is president. Trump's policy to make silom seekers wait in Mexico while their cases are heard in US immigration courts. A three judge panel with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals initially blocked the policy yesterday but then voted to suspend its order after the government cited national security and public safety concerns. The man behind trader. Joe's has died and beers. Amy held reports. Joe Coloma's eighty nine. Yes behind those boxes of inexpensive internationally inspired bites. There was a real trader. Joe It was one thousand nine hundred fifty eight in Pasadena California when Joe Colom a young Stanford graduate saw an opportunity. He told perfect business. He decided to cater to an untapped demographic a more educated American with an interest in travel that the warriors of education. You have the more drink. Two Buck Chuck was born stocked by clerks decked out in Hawaiian shirts to evoke images of the cell sees. The store took off expanding to hundreds of locations. Nationwide Colom Sole Trader Joe's to German retailer aldean nineteen seventy-nine in his retirement. He remained active in the food. And Wine World Amy Health. Npr news protesters disrupted France's top film award ceremony. Last night in several women walk down for Roman Polanski won the award for best director. Plans ski fled the US late. Seventies following his statutory rape conviction. There are more recent allegations against him. This is NPR.

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Coronavirus Updates, Buttigieg Out & Trader Joe - Monday, March 2nd, 2020

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Coronavirus Updates, Buttigieg Out & Trader Joe - Monday, March 2nd, 2020

"Today is Monday march second or raking down a few new developments about the new corona virus. Both in the US and around the world and to know ahead of Super Tuesday tomorrow plus five g three D. photos trader Joe's and Dr Suits welcome welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news in less than ten minutes fast. They're fun and on the go. I'm Erica Mandy. Thanks so much for being here. You're ready let's do this. We start today with a few new updates about the corona virus cove in one thousand nine hundred so first health officials say to people in the. Us have now died from the virus. A man in his seventies in another man in his fifties. Ap reports both were being treated at a hospital in Kirkland Washington just east of Seattle and both had underlying health conditions. The State of Washington now has twelve confirmed cases but some researchers now say. It's likely the virus has already been circulating in that state for weeks undetected. And if that's true. It could mean hundreds of undiagnosed cases. They either weren't tested or they didn't go into a doctor's office at all. Since many cases may be mild like a bad cold especially in young healthy people meanwhile authorities also announced new cases in California Florida Illinois Rhode Island and New York. Us officials say they're sending thousands of additional testing kits out now and giving more labs and hospitals. The go ahead to start testing the US. Government is also adding to the do not travel this beyond parts of Asia telling Americans not to go to northern Italy the center of the outbreak in Europe where authorities said the number of known cases went up fifty percent in twenty four hours it was today says Delta and American Airlines have both suspended flights to Milan Italy and the number of cases in France jumped to in fact the famous Louvre Museum. The world's most popular museum and home of the Mona Lisa has now been closed workers. They're worried about being exposed to the virus. Considering how many international tourists go in and out every day and major companies continue to cancel conferences and travel plans even within the US which of course will have an impact on hotels airlines and the economy in general so expect another tough week on Wall Street. As a reminder experts say the best defense is washing your hands with soap and water for about twenty seconds and tried to avoid touching your nose mouth and eyes health officials. Say you do not need to wear a mask unless you're already showing symptoms in fact the La Times reports too. Many people trying to buy mass could actually limit their availability for doctors and nurses who need the most. By the way the World Health Organization just joined the social media APP. Tick Tock in an effort to slow misinformation online about the virus and set the record straight about recommended precautions. Of course you can always check the CDC's website for more recommendations and we'll keep you posted with new developments signed a historic peace agreement with the Taliban and this is a big deal. It's been a year in the making and it's the first step toward possibly ending the war in Afghanistan which has been going on for nearly nineteen years and his America's longest running conflict. The deal was signed Saturday. And here's what's in it. Cbs News reports the US has agreed to withdraw all of its twelve thousand troops from Afghanistan over the next fourteen months. But that's only if the Taliban does a couple of things to one cuts ties with terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and Isis. Keep in mind. The Taliban is a militant group that once provided safe haven to al Qaeda's former leader Osama bin Laden and the US has considered the Taliban itself a terrorist group. So while many are cautiously optimistic about this deal others question if the Taliban can be trusted to hold its side of the bargain especially once all. Us troops leave Afghanistan. The military time says even veterans of America's longest war are torn about the potential pros and cons here also in the agreement the Taliban and the Afghan government must negotiate starting as soon as next week and a prisoner exchange has to happen before then. And that's where things get tricky the AP reports Afghanistan's president came out last night to say that's not going to happen. That prisoner released can be part of negotiations but can't happen before they even begin for now. Secretary of State. Mike pompeo is a bit hesitant to call this a victory saying he's hopeful but admits. It'll be a bumpy road so TVD if this peace deal actually sticks stay tuned former vice president. Joe Biden one big in the South Carolina primary over the weekend with forty nine percent of the vote giving his campaign some much needed momentum ahead of Super Tuesday tomorrow and Biden was quick to go. After the front runner in other states so far Senator Bernie Sanders Sanders can beat president trump political reports former south bend. Indiana mayor P Buddha judge echoed those concerns even on his way out yes. Buddha judge dropped out of the presidential race yesterday after coming in fourth in South Carolina though his run was historic he was the first openly gay presidential candidate to play a major role in the race for a major political party. Also billionaire activists. Tom Style left the races. Well he came in third in South Carolina despite spending big there now. It's all lies on Super Tuesday tomorrow. When voters in fourteen states will head to the polls former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg will appear on the ballot for the very first time bar on Super Tuesday. 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Networks are only available in specific locations using specific devices. Although most carriers are working to expand it. Facebook is rolling out. Its Three D photo feature to more people the verge reports anyone who has an iphone seven or newer or mid range android can post three d images to their facebook time line until now. You had to have dual cameras since facebook needed to compile the images from the different cameras to get that three D. effect but now it says it can use artificial intelligence to get the same look in other words. You can take a normal Tutti picture. And then facebook's feature will let people look at it from different angles as if it were three when they tilt the phone or scroll the new feature should be available now. He's the Joe of trader Joe's. He opened the store five decades ago. And he's now being remembered as a brilliant person with a mesmerizing personality the founder of trader. Joe's Joe Colom just passed away at the age of eighty nine. Npr REPORTS COLOM started. The grocery store for a new generation of young grocery shoppers. In the sixties wanted healthy food but addy more reasonable price and he made fun with captains and mates instead of managers and clerks. Of course it went on to become the retail giant. We know today. He retired more than three decades ago but his name lives on with more than five hundred trader. Joe's in more than forty states. It's read across America Day today also known as Dr Seuss Day. That's because the national reading initiative takes place on Dr seuss's birthday. He would have turned one hundred sixteen years old well from books to movies. The horror film the invisible man top the box office over the weekend. The Hollywood reporter says it brought in twenty nine million dollars in North America. And that's pretty good for a horror movie. The last time John did that well was in September when it chapter two came out variety reports. The hedgehog slid down to second after two weeks on top and the call of the wild came in third. All right that's it for the main news today but now it's time for money Monday where we talk about one interesting money related news story. You should know but first a quick. Thanks to our partner empower. We're all busy between career family and finances so empower gives you back your time by making money management easier. The empower APP has budgeting tools and real time alerts to make sure you spend and save smarter. You can even text with empowers human coaches you can learn more at empower e. m. p. o. w. e. r. empower dot me slash newsworthy. Alright so with tax day coming up. In April empower help provide a basic overview of things to keep in mind when it comes to crypto currencies or virtual currencies and taxes. If you've ever traded or exchanged crypto currency like bitcoin or bought something with it. You have to mention that on your taxes. 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"It's Monday March second keys and I'm getting interesting and this is what day were both currently on public enemy's new flavor. Flav AIn't nobody loves New York More Than Me Flavor of love starring New York Tiffany Pollard on today's show former South Bend mayor judge drops out of the race results from the South Carolina primary and some headlines but first a corona virus update the mysterious Corona Virus Corona virus in China new strain of Corona Virus Dangers Corona virus from China. More than two hundred cases of Corona Virus Virus Corona virus as buyers spreads and people economies and daily lives are affected. We do want to keep you up to date and inform so today we're GONNA be talking about testing for Cova. Nineteen it is an essential part of tracking the virus and slowing down. It's spread last week. We reported on shortage of testing supplies in the United States Akilah. What is the latest on this all right so on Saturday vice president in Corona Virus Helper? I WanNa say Mike Pence appeared on CNN. State of the Union with Jake Tapper to address the lack of testing kids in the US the South Koreans have been able to test more than ninety thousand of their citizens for their front of Iris for the US trouble manufacturing the kits the CDC has struggled a bit and distributing them to local labs latest numbers. Show only maybe around five hundred people in the US have been tested. Why are we so behind other developed countries on this? And when will there be more of these testing kits delivered to the frontline health care providers to very fair question and it was one of the first issues that governors. I spoke to raised with me. I'm happy to report that this weekend. more than fifteen thousand testing kits have been released also. The FDA has approved a testing regimen. That state and local officials can be using. Yeah Okay so last week. There were two hundred kids in California total. Now Vice President Pence says there are fifteen thousand gets available which dear listeners still doesn't seem like enough while the government doles out those kids the FDA also said Saturday that three hundred to four hundred medical centers can begin their own version of testing. In the meantime too too long didn't read. There's usually an emergency use authorization process that these centers that develop testing protocols have to go through the FDA is like Nah go ahead Your thing whatever look I everyone involved in this process not me. I'm feeling good and for comparison here what's happening abroad in regards to testing for covert nineteen right so a really interesting development and South Korea. They've begun to do drive-thru tests for the virus which is genius the idea being that one you can test more people in a shorter window simply because it'll be on a first come first serve basis one official said that waiting times have decreased by third and two that the spread will be contained. Because if you're healthy you won't be sitting in a waiting room with people who are infected. So maybe something like that will be implemented worldwide if successful. Yeah I mean Americans do love. We do all right well is there any other miscellaneous news regarding cove in nineteen we need to cover all right so the Louvre in Paris has closed for the corona virus. Which is alarming since they really only closed for war and beyond say near Seattle. There's been six confirmed corona virus cases at nursing facility in Kirkland. Fifty people have fallen ill and are waiting test results on Sunday. Seattle health officer. Dr Jeff Duchesne confirmed that one of the people who contracted cove in nineteen at the nursing. Home has died making him the first corona virus death in the United States Dutch and went on to say he considers the situation a quote outbreak. And as we go to recording there's now been a second death in the Seattle area as well so we have more information as it is available about this illness but remember. Wash your hands cover. Any cops don't touch your face in. He can stay home if you're not feeling a lot of twenty twenty news to get you up to speed on over the weekend former Vice President. Joe Biden decisively won the South Carolina primary by a wide margin giving him his first primary win and his three runs for the presidency jolt to his struggling campaign before Super Tuesday but I on Sunday evening former South Bend mayor people to judge. I openly gay major candidate in his bid for the Presidency so we must recognize that at this point in the race the best way to keep faith with those goals and ideals is to step aside and help bring our Party and our country together so tonight I am making the difficult decision to suspend my campaign for the presidency. I will no longer seek to be the two thousand twenty Democratic nominee for president but I will do everything in my power to ensure that we have a new Democratic president come January that was really powerful and you know good for him for getting formation so that was a big whirlwind. How did we get here? Well I think two big things on Buddha judge sort of the trajectory of the last month I there was a strategy that the campaign had that they were arguing if he did in those earlier states than more homogeneous whiter states. Like Iowa New Hampshire which he did that that would lead to better numbers with voters of color that they just need to see more of him see that he was a winner but as evidenced by results in Nevada and South Carolina where we were starting to see voters of color come out. That just wasn't happening for him in Nevada. Buddha judge was a distant third very very far behind with voters of color and that Satan in South Carolina he was in fourth with about eight percent of the vote and exit polling showing him having just two percent of African American voters in the state and then the second thing was he was positioning himself. In a very specific way and that was to be the sort of moderate alternative to Bernie Sanders in this sort of crowded group of people trying to do the same thing that became a lot harder with this Biden. Victory over the weekend. Because there's there's a sort of natural gravitating towards A person of that level that had been in the arena before and one of the major things that Biden one of the major things that propelled by into the victory were African American voters in South Carolina. Then you add to that these money issues to Buddha judge spent two point five million on TV advertising in the state which was more than anybody. But Tom Steyer and he also really did visit quite a bit more than I think. Most of the other candidates and it just wasn't catching on for him and I think that was when they decided that those factors combined meant you know it was the end of the line for sure. Well buttigieg did earn delegates already and millions of people have voted ahead of. Super Tuesday presumably with votes in there for Buddha judge. So what's going to happen all of those votes? I know it's kind of a strange situation right on the delegate front. Buddha judge was third with twenty six behind Biden and sanders and for now the delegates can technically go to the convention uncommitted or Buddha judge makes the choice to endorse another candidate in the future future. They can go to that candidate. But it's worth pointing out that you know we're so early on in this that twenty. Six delegates isn't a ton. There are around four thousand delegates overall. We'll have those they're saying this and then for the votes those are unfortunately baked now and we know we won't know the extent of it until Tuesday and after but if you look at results for any of the early states you're Kinda scrolling through and you're like John Delaney's Koi Booker's faces and your so there are people that still vote for candidates even when they're out of the race but you know in the early Vote Front. There are still lots of votes to be cast. We're looking at some of the rules around this. And at least in Michigan there is a way to recast your absentee ballot. So it's worth checking to see what the rules are in your particular state and you know we're these villagers voters go is anyone's guess. Supporters could go to basically any member of the candidates Biden Sanders warrant whatever? Yeah so that was the news on Mayor Pete. Let's go back to South Carolina though for a second we saw huge Biden win their vote. You've been knocked down counted out left behind voices your campaign just days ago. Pundits declared his candidacy dead. Now thanks to all of you. The heart of the Democratic Party. We just wanted. We've one big because so you want to explain how he did it and what it means for the rest of the campaign. Yeah I mean so just go through a few of the numbers here because I think you know. A lot of people saw this and were pretty surprised. By the margin I mean biting over forty eight percent of the vote followed by Sanders at twenty than style at eleven and then booted eight warrant at seven closure at three so one of the kind of key things that appears to have happened here. We talked on the show last week. That EM- prior primaries support for Democratic candidates. Among black voters had been undercounted. Yeah the South Carolina and go off getting because a lot of people weren't saying I I'm glad you called it. I stole the idea from smart people but I'm glad to this group got here and the same thing appears to have happened again on Saturday. We had seen polls where the margins look like. Quite a bit slimmer. For Biden but exit polling indicated Biden won sixty one percent of the black vote compared to seventeen for sanders this was also an older electorate overall with more than two thirds of primary voters forty five or older and Biden cleaned up with those voters to so really across. The board. Did very well turn on South Carolina to was way higher than sixteen at approach record two thousand eight levels. I know that's something that people are looking at in a lot of these states out of concern to make sure that people. Are you know staying engaged throughout the year and we were also talking on the show about? Jim Clyburn Endorsing Biden. And how that was impactful in the state but if anything I think it was under assault it you know again going up exit polling which is about as much as we can gather this early on. Almost half of the voters referenced. His endorsement in exit polling. Which is pretty astonishing and it was no surprise that one of the first things that Biden did on Saturday was to basically thank clyburn for helping to push them over the line. Yeah and it does seem like as we get more and more states coming in the things that maybe we have been baked into as a society and we think this is going to be the two front runners or one front runner. Whatever everything shaking up Super Tuesday is going to be a big deal? All right well before we move on. The judge wasn't the only candidate to exit the racist weekend correct. Tom Steyer backed his ass out of the real real groner. We encourage everyone to go. Watch the clip of him onstage with juvenile in South Carolina. It's real but don't have the opportunity. He is holding his hands out stiff like he's writing a big invisible motorcycle. Lot Of ten energy shoulders might be a little hurt. You know a couple more nights in South Carolina and I think he he would have pulled the dance off. Star had spent a whopping one hundred ninety one million on advertising nationally with a specific focus on South Carolina and he just didn't get delegates in the state or anywhere else throughout the campaign so again another moment where reality sort of met. What the expectations were. Maybe should have given that money to juvenile. Had THEM DO Co. Across country tour we'd be looking at different results right now. You could certainly yeah. We certainly get tickets. Well we will return to it again tomorrow. But where does this leave the race in everyone else? Yes so other candidates. We haven't talked about yet. Warren has all but conceded that she is not going to win the nomination outright but rather preparing for a contested convention in gearing up to try to hold onto her home state which votes on Tuesday closure is hoping to win her state as well as blue chips demonstrated on Sunday. Sometimes these campaigns say things publicly and they're gearing up for certain realities and they changed their minds So we'll see what everybody decides to do in the next forty eight hours through the rest of the week. Sanders is banking on kind of flooding. The zone and driving numbers on Super Tuesday in places like California. Where if you get a big lead there you can have a big delegate lead overall. He also announced a crazy forty six and a half million dollar fundraising total in February Biden is in the meantime hoping to kind of catch up organizationally and financially. He's starting to bring in a lot more money in his campaign to compared to where he was at before. And you know he wants to be the consensus pick of moderate Democrats. And we're seeing that with a lot more of the endorsements that he's been getting just in the last twenty four hours and then we'll see Bloomberg for the first time on the ballot which will give us a real sense of whether his strategy is working because we've been mostly operating in the dark there. Well we are going to be doing a livestream tomorrow for. Super Tuesday where fourteen states and one territory are going to be voting. You don't have to drive yourself crazy with cable news. I would advise against that but we do promise key race alert. So come on your hang. We got it all watch. 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"Blah, Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, Blah Adam Curry John Divorced July. Twenty twenty-third Twenty Twenty Award winning, give on Asian media assassination episode, twelve, hundred, sixty two. This is no agenda. Celebrating victory and broadcast live from opportunities thirty-three here the Frontier Boston Texas capital of the drome star state in the morning. Everybody by Madame Curry Andrew Northern. Silicon Valley were looking at the New York Times and all I can say is move over buzzfeed I'm Jesse Devora. We have a winner. Okay we have a winner. Is Trying to celebrate ladies and gentlemen. We have a winner. Dr Bill to the rescue everybody except the plan pharmaceutical industry! The Germans to the rescue. Administration reached a historic agreement with visor to produce and deliver one hundred million doses of the vaccine immediately following its approval. Hopefully, the approval process will go very quickly and we think we have a winner there, we also. Right behind that are doing very well in the vaccine's. Yes, ahead of schedule. A winner John and. It's this little firm. Bio INTECH. Little German firm, but had to team up with Pfizer to make it look real. Brand and this an M. Aren a vaccine. It's I. Mean I haven't heard anyone say how fabulous this is very very interesting I thought that was modern as Gig. Because he did this museum. Guys are out of the running. The majority guys know the visor guys. What do you mean out of the? Out of the running, they just did the deal with with Pfizer. Pfizer and biewen tech they yeah, but but because trump push this. Yeah, the media and everybody's GonNa jump over it and he's there out of the running automatically. because. Of course, if trump endorses it, then it's the wrong vaccine. Yeah Oh, yes. So you're so smart. This is just getting them out of the way so okay I love. This idea and I was I was already so curious because. No one was saying how revolutionary this was was bio in tech, who clearly teamed up with Pfizer for the distribution or I don't know if you're packaging to. The licensing they've got the infrastructure the stock did. Oh the stock eight went public at public around twenty, and is now at one hundred. As a winner. That's what you want. But I wanted to bring. That's good that you brought to separate away because I have three clips. Discussing a little bit about this, especially, what's going on in South Africa at the Oxford Vaccine? That's that's where we love to test. And so. They can't seem to get enough volunteers because they can't find enough people that haven't been infected, but. There's a couple of things here which which warrants and ask Adam Oh because as we listen to this great news about from Pfizer. Pool route ru the day. Let's listen to just a little background or what's going to in south. Africa this is from democracy. Now is the code vaccine. Oxford. About Twenty to twenty, two I in a in the second phase of of clinical testing and. Some of. My fingers have been off I get a new replacement. The immedi controller and I hit the wrong one. We'll cut out. No one will know the difference I think the first issue with the trial is that what significant is that? The president and the government agreed to offer solidarity and participate in the trial, which is being led by Oxford University through South Africa's University. The difficulty of course is one trying to secure sufficient number of volunteers for the trial. With as you correctly quaint out within a climate. The numbers of people living with code are increasing, and we also estimate that that is a significant undercount because off testing strategy has been hampered by the lack of available texting kids, so the criteria for testing has changed and effected amounts to rationing. The second issue with the trial, which is actually he's. Involves quite significantly. A pharmaceutical company called Astra Zeneca. And the issue around AstraZeneca's relationship, with Oxford, the relationship with the South African government as in the contractual relationship, including university and clinical participants in other parts of the world. In Brazil as well is unclear. We calling for transparency in those agreements, because on the one hand, if we are going to participate in a trial that is trying to ensure equitable access to a vaccine if it is successful. What is it sounds like there's a quagmire? Nothing's GonNa work out everyone's. Got An issue with something. That's part of the problem, but I'm glad. The second part of this clip is kind of interesting because it actually. Gives a little gives some actual information. How stop! And it's like here's an ask Adam for you How many vaccine candidates! Are Out there. Currently you mean that are wait a minute is this? Is this the actual question? This is the ask Adam segment. House? All right everybody here. It is of course. I know have all the answers. Now you say vaccine candidates is that vaccine candidates that are currently in trial or that are just or or that are getting ready to go to trial because they've gone through the first two phases. A. Disregarding the phases. How many? Dancer that okay all right? We answered in second clip than I I just a pure hominy vaccine candidates when people start not. In the business have the number. One hundred. Good number. Play the clip, but we know that these deep involvement of Astra Zeneca and the terms and conditions between Oxford, university and s resenting is not available in this you must remember is only one of a possible one, hundred and twenty six. Close. Might think I deserve at least partial credit for getting into the three? No, you're over twenty so mean. Okay. Now the ones going to trial are going to be mentioned that number of that. How many are going to try or at least in the second stage? One hundred twenty six. Well I have to just say thirty three. I mean why not get credit for that being a very good. Yes, but it's not right I. Guess now okay here. We design this last clip the face to numbers. About Twenty to twenty two off. In the second phase of clinical testing, and you know bay few a handful of candidates that still go to phase three. So now the thing is though. We did PURCHASE PRE purchase. A billion dollars worth of the vaccine, so they took a which. If they're gonNA get screwed in the deal. Is, that kind of their okay okay guys. It's your turn next time. Take a bill. Take a bill from bill. I have no idea how this works and the intricacies of it. I think unknown to most people. Because it's part of this part of the great farm. Farmer scam yeah. Well. What's going to have? To out there, both competing with each other this, should I think that's the whole I? Think they want to have that? And then there's some other vaccine. Forget who did that one. Maybe it's the Oxford vaccine that it's just an old school vaccine. Oxford is to Astra Zeneca right, but isn't that the old school? That's not the M. R. A. They just deny the old fashioned way gruesome shit, whatever we've heard about whatever it is just testing it down in South Africa. I guess get ahead starting somewhere. There's a lot of stuff that is going also with With the therapeutics with severe, one of our producers is a lab technician and was digging around documents looking interim disappear I'll quote some from her his Note here I was curious about the circulating megabyte met metabolite maybe which? Metabolite, which is which functions like an active ingredient. If you will, so that'd be the active ingredient remedy severe. I discovered something very very interesting. Attached NCBI article about the mechanism of action of. A lot of technical stuff in there, but it's the show. If you WANNA, look it up. It's been sanitized for our lab. Technicians Protection but it turns out the chemical compound they use as the metabolite is g. s dash four, four, one, five to four, also known as a feline antiviral. So. Turns out a cat antiviral works to some degree in. Against Covid. Cova Kitty cat in everybody gotTA love. It gotTa love it, Melatonin. Apparently now more news inhibits the covid nineteen and do site cone storm. That's what's a good one to no metal tone is easy to have around the house and everyone. Use It commonly case. The site sided well. They sure do. You. Were you? Were you being facetious or do you mean that about people using Melatonin? My at the point now where you can eat with I. Wasn't so sure. I'm sorry. I wasn't sure wasn't sure. Bottles of in the house because the kids like it. Ever taste Melatonin before you go to betty. So why do I want Melatonin before I go to bed? It makes you sleep. Better islip fine. So I was partially right. People do have it around the house, but you were kind of disgusted by. Partially, right, you were wrong. Okay, all right then people I I heard about it probably twenty years ago when people were using on an airplane flies when they couldn't sleep on a plane. Yeah exactly or UH to combat. Jet Lag which I've never like. Weed is so much better time to go to sleep. Blink done. So little as a mask updates and I think it's relevant to something. You wrote in the newsletter, but will start just with the thought that I had. we are so trained with the social media and we were so primed for this mask stuff. And it just so I think someone wrote me, not it. Almost bowled me over like Oh. Yes, do you remember the Ice Bucket? Yeah so this self moral licensing is really this is a continuation of it. I wouldn't necessarily a hundred percent subscribe to that, but I think there's validity. Idiotic has which in in the Netherlands translated when they speak up in a derogatory tone about Masks, they call it the face diaper. To! Told me scientific. So Shanta. WHO's My daughter? Christine is girlfriend. She was on the train a in Rotterdam going I think she was going on. She's going to Amsterdam or not, and it's mandatory to have a face diaper in the train. And I guess she was fiddling around and dropped on the ground. She picks it up. Puts it back on, and she got kicked off the train. What she got kicked off the train. He says she's exaggerating or oh no, why would she not exaggerating the story? He'll oh. She's a little bit past that she's not really millennium. She's thirty. Think something like that. But the I think would pertain to the newsletter. Is, I have noticed. and. It's it. I hope it comes to light. It can be exposed, but there are numerous elite women who took advantage of the. Masking requirements and the lockdown, it was kind of a twofer for them. which includes Hillary Clinton. Nancy Pelosi Kellyanne Conway and most recently revealed Comma Harris. They all got work done on their face. And they actually believed it when the doctor said just a couple of days of bruising, so that's why they've been out of the running for a while. You haven't seen Kamla and and she came back and all my God. It's it's like the almost all went to the same doctor except Nancy. She's got some kind of miracle worker it's it's really astounding and people are noticing it. Camera has looks terrible. What she still swollen. That's the problem. She waited too I. Have I, have experience in these in these types of procedures? Okay, well good 'cause! Here's the deal. Here's the. I'll give you the whole load. So, they have is a camera Harris from seven eight from eight days later. She looks like. She has a number of problems that to me. It still looks more like Bo toxin anything except for the fact that I had to notice this last time, I looked at these horrible pictures. It's I. Had I didn't get a lot of sleep yesterday so And I kept dozing off the computers. I put that picture. Campbell Harrison look at it. Boom wide awake. So it works. It's Anti Melatonin. So take, so you take she, so the thing is if you look at her eyebrows. That's the key. Yes, you'll see that. The coroner's over eyebrows took toward her ears have been lifted up so instead of her. She has a low low hanging fruit eyebrow. That's usually slips right across the top of the. That part. I think that's Bo talks did that, but she hasn't but he. Doesn't make your thing go up. Yes, you inject it into the right spots. Your eyebrows will raise a little bit. That's why a lot of women got him in the first place, not just wrinkles on the forehead, but she has injectables in her cheeks, and that's the stuff that they always they always hook these women into it like how will do an injectable? It'll be good for nine months, and then never even one's a little bit more squishy than other. You can see it, and it takes a long time for the puffiness to go down the rest of your face to adjust to it. She had injectables and there's so many different kinds some really suck. Okay well. Let's go back to the original question before. Go onto that because I wanted to hear that two. which was if she had any serious work done? Eight days later when she'd be presentable or not. No, no, no, you're! You're really not presentable. That's what the doctor always says. Couple of days bruising. Don't worry about it. For these things really flesh out. It's typically a couple of months before really. So. She's coming out. That's what makes me think she didn't have any real work done. No just the injectables. That's what I think. The boe talks. That's a every every woman. That her smile. Little smell. She has turned into a grimace. She really looks horrible. I mean if she thinks she's GonNa get picked for vice president now with this new look. She's nuts. Well I have a feeling that something else may be in play. I'm not quite sure I. Want to ask some people about it I think she may have been going for different face. Look a little less Asian perhaps 'cause she's you know her roots Indian. Now she's a little more joker. I don't think she was going for that. But yeah, that's now I would say. She was probably going a little bit more for a dos. Look I, and that's just a hunch. It can't accuse her of it, but I wouldn't put it. Passer I think she's done a lot of things for her career and she desperately wants this. Everyone. Everyone timed even Hillary got old. All got a little refresh little reboot, but again with an maybe. Maybe Hillary okay, here's what happened. Hillary said to Kamla use my guy been this. Yeah should be. She has the same injectables, and because it's Hillary. The guy that she uses probably haste black folk. Probably does doesn't have experience with the black features. But. Man I love that. We're talking about this longer than a vaccine. That's that we're really good. This is this is a list. Is. The same. Camera. Harris's just submarine your own career with a stupid move, you think. Yeah she's dead she. Give. Buying takes one look at it. He's going to jump just the way I do want to have her picture on the screen. I mean I still think that Elizabeth Warren is in the running I, mean she? She's really bankers already said No. They can't put her in. They do. There goes the money. Okay so like I mean he's camera. Left my thesis about WHO's getting picked. WHO's not and of course I'm on a Columbus show side, but she got screwed by by current events is. My fault, but I still I'm going by the original thesis that brought Bloomberg into the conversation and brought him into running. The bankers do not want by I'm necessarily. The bankers do not what Bernie and they do not want Warren because of the way they've. They've both been threatening the banks, so those two are just done right, and of course all this Bernie unity platform. Stuff is just all charades. Whoever's coming in as the as the actual vice president who? Who is intended to be the president, but I just don't see it I really metal loss for who who could be do they have anybody at this point is up for grabs, abidance being pressured. If you didn't get to slip joy, re read maybe I didn't get it joy. Reid had him on her show and she was demanding to. Are you going to now this now and right now? Tell us that you will be nominating a black woman. A black man by the way which has to be a black woman, because Biden Clerides going to pick a woman, which is stupid why you claim anything dummy. So He. He's being pressured a woman and if he does that, it's well is believed by me and other former Democrats. That the Democrat Party, the Democrat women who want a white woman as the first president of the United States female, organisers bolt. Right, so who do the white women have as a candidate? Who can they support I? Think it would be What your original pick was would be Elizabeth Warren Yeah which they don't know or they don't. WanNa come to grips with the fact that the bankers have nixed it. S Hard I. Don't know I mean he's still picker and have screw the bankers, and because of all the pressure. He's gotTa pick somebody. Well. Hillary is on the scene again. I mean I'll just. Happen to have a clip and we're talking. About are the sole. She's apparently she all she can I. Guess is going to be about. Russia screwed her chance to respond to the fact that Donald Trump. Has Now commuted the sentence of at least one of the people who is listening Russia was clearly listening, but so Roger Stone, what do you make of the commutation of his sons? Well I think it's pretty clear. That stone threaten. Kim. He probably threatened in privately. Publicly about what he would say if the happy go to prison, and this is a continuation of. A camera. Down our readers made your participants and to try to prevent us from knowing all of the details about what they actually did. Some of it was very public. I mean asking Russia in public. To interfere in American elections, but some of it was. Destined behind the scenes sending messages, the kinds of things that we know about and I think much more. Uh, so what? Is the awesome power of commutation as part of the party power of the President to basically shut up Roger Stone. Yeah, so that Rogers would not spill anymore. Beans about what actually happened and how much donald trump actually new. Yeah unlike your husband who? Pardoned Marc rich when he went on to screw millions out of billions or trillions maybe. And Susan, so Susan, Goldberg. Weather underground bomb carrier. And, many other fun people hey, commutation makes nothing Russians While we're playing these clips, we might as well officially identify ourselves. We have joined a new network. We are the founding members of the network and very proud to be a part of it and It will soon be streaming everywhere. You are listening to you. Orangemen. SIDMOUTH that. have no idea how many submissions came in for this network. Man Bad network yeah here. You're listening to the NBA network. Orangemen man. I'm not quite sure if it's are rated this network. All the way she does it. Yeah, every everybody jumped, so we i. we had Fletcher I was Dame Jennifer and dare and of course. You are listening to the no agenda show on the. V. Network Orange Man bad. I think it. Has I think we can get investors? Well this climate. Yeah, we got a few months I think it's really possible. She could continue. I wanted to dive into something. Looted to a just a second ago. How Bill Clinton pardoned a Susan Goldberg as Susan Goldberg We bumped into I think maybe a couple of shows ago. She. she was a member of the of the weather underground, and she I guess she carried bombs placed in government buildings I. Don't think anyone was hurt or killed, but it did cause a lot of damage and she went to. I think she had a fifty four year sentence, but then got out after sixteen years when Bill Clinton pardoned her in two thousand and one Susan, L. Rosenberg and We ran into her. Because she is the vice chair of the board of directors of thousand currents, which is the nonprofit, which is the fiscal sponsor for black lives, matter or black lives matter inc I should say. Do you remember talked about her Susan Rosenberg? Thing is yeah I remember talking about. I, don't remember her. Being the the Clinton Pardon Ni I just ran into that by by accident. That's new information for me to. And I really did a deep dive on on thousand currents. Like what exactly did they seem to be more? Pass through anything their. You know their mission is. We're very concerned about people. In the Southern Hemisphere bla-bla-bla nothing really about black lives matter but I think Susan, Rosenberg looking at her history. She knows how to run nonprofits and do the financing, so if there is a network of Marxist communist who are infiltrating the and she would be the one to come up with this whole fiscal sponsorship scheme, so black lives matter. He's a nonprofit by itself. It's just a group of the bank account. And they get money and presumably this. I don't even know what their status is this fiscal? Sponsorship was fiscal sponsor. Think it is. It's very odd, so she probably figured that one out. And I think. Maybe we both had this clip of Patrisse cullors saying that she was a trained. Dove into that thinking I could connect her to Susan Rosenberg. And it wasn't just that one interview. She said it on a different interview as well and it's kind of part of her script. I is proud of PS. He's proud of herself, yeah. I think that the criticism is helpful and I. also think that it might. Think of a lot of things. The first thing I think is that we actually do ideological frame myself. And at least the an particular are trained organizers. We. Are Trained Marxists. Are. Super! I. On sort of ideological theories and I think that what we try to do is build a movement that could be into allies by many many black folks. So Super I. I don't know what that means, but it sounds like some kind of badge super versed as a train Marxist. By coincidence or maybe not I was talking with Moe and he he gave me a little bit of background on Marxism with eight, also African Americans dating back to. The thirties. and. I had no idea that that let's say blacks in the south that they were kind of They weren't actually recruited, but they were drawn to communist stooges who were out trying to get the get workers unionized and cause trouble in the United States and so i. just have a you have to remember. Yes, this is true and actually probably even goes into the twenties, but you have to remember that in the thirties. During the depression, half the country was being lured by the yes, and no, that's that's the beauty of it including half of Hollywood. They didn't actually go. They weren't intending to go after blacks. Here's the story. How did the Communist Party get started in Alabama in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight the Communists position internationally WAS THAT AFRICAN? Americans in the south have the right to self-determination meaning. They have the right to create their own nation in the south. And it's position that came out of Moscow. It came from other black communist around the globe. In with that idea in mind. They sent to organizers to Alabama and they went to Birmingham and it shows Birmingham because it was probably the most industrialized city in the south. And they went there thinking they would organize white workers from white workers. Black workers would follow. But no way works come forward. And so the first two organizers was a guy named James Giulio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson and together. They went out, looking for white workers in black workers came. And black workers came in fairly large numbers of away because for them, they had a memory of reconstruction and memory of the civil war, and in that kind of collective memory. They were told that one day the Yankees would come back and finish the fight. When they saw these white communists, they said good the Yankees here. We can't wait to join. I thought that was really interesting that they went to to get white workers, and the blacks came, and they kind of I guess they got hoodwinked. and. I think that's kind of patronizing story. If not oh, it's it's very simplistic. THOUGH THE BLACK! People that showed up for this meeting were stupid absolutely. Absolutely not the I think they were lied lied to. That's what I think, but that doesn't. It doesn't really matter I'm just I'm just showing this. You have to remember again. There's lots of commies all over the place from the thirties right to take over the country. They trying to overthrow the government, besides effected the Democrat Party was trying to overthrow the government of of Roosevelt take attempted coup. Yes, and exactly so the whole place was a mess. My Dad used to tell me stories about the depression era, and what is kind of like it is now which is a depression. Okay so I'll just jump ahead. I don't have to prove that there's been a lot of Marxist influence on African Americans, but not to turn them into Marxists or communists, but to use them to use it as a tool as a tool. Yes, as a jewel, the right word dupe. Dupe Dupe Dupe is the word so I'm glad that you that you your dad would yap about that and I'm glad that you say it's very similar to now as I found a democracy, now clip here's Patrisse. cullors once again co founder of black lives matter, and let's see if we can tire into any of these groups, from of course, not the thirties, but maybe the sixties seventies as you began to develop the the black lives matter of. Theme and Also, talk about distract. You mentioned. You had come out of the Strategy Center what was the Strategy Center. I'm a train organizer then, so I think sometimes people think that because black lives matters the biggest thing. That, that's the first thing I ever did, and it's not I. was trained knocking on doors. Getting buses and passing out flyers and getting people to join organizations the Labor community strategy. Center is my first political home. It's where I would be a part of what is famous. for which is the bus riders union? Started by old friend of mine. Mentor. Eric Man Double End does this ring a bell? Sounds familiar, but it doesn't ring a bell. Another weather underground member. Okay, who also set up the bus? Riders Union in Los Angeles. And currently runs I think for the past ten years or even longer. The Labor Community Strategy Center in Los, Angeles which interestingly He goes back to the. August twenty. Ninth Movement also known as ATM which in Nineteen Seventy Eight merged with the Chinese. American or I W K the Iowa Quinn and the black revolutionary. Communist League deemed the Multi Racial Multi National League a Revolutionary Struggle? which I think is kind of. We're looking at derivative groups of that right now, and she trained for over ten years with Eric Man. So, you gotta think. Maybe she picked up a few tips so I found. A twenty ten workshop online by Eric Man called the transformative workshop. It's at a university I'm not sure which one. but possibly in Los Angeles and here you can hear where his his whole thing is. He wants to kill the empire, which is overturned the government. I think that's kind of what the old Marxist Socialist. That's what they always WanNa. Do turned into the welfare state. Get rid of capitalism but that's called transformative transformation and transformative organizing. The transformative organizing. Begins by a challenge to the US empire. We live in a country. That is running. To declared wars at the same time. Iraq and Afghanistan. That's causing misery for basically people all over the world, except in Venezuela, Cuba and other places where they've been successfully able to resist imperialism. When they talk about getting rid of poverty and people who have only to two dollars a day. That's based on the United States imperialism. They're posing free market economy on the world. People can't even have water in their own countries, so so these people in are. Scholastic System Educational System. It's no wonder they turn out hating America. I mean this guy is speaking at a university is written books. I mean there's there's lesion of these people. He makes he says. This is typical. These guys he says having to simultaneously declared wars. Yes, had no declared wars. Neither declared exactly. But the tactics of the Marxist are well known. It's it's pit two. Teams Against Each Other, and then you can control both, and they'll actually work side by side and kind of the way the CIA desert. It's a think it goes back to Hegel. It's been around for a while this concept, but you can do. Man Woman might sound familiar. You can do race black white, but it's not really about the black or the white or the man or the woman. It's about weakening the Empire to overthrow it as he explains in this clip when I got involved in a movement, it was. Against the war. And very quickly signaled civil rights on Coney Black, liberation. And the against the wall was Vietnamese liberation, so we were part of an anti racist anti-imperialist united front. We became radicalized and I. think that's what we do. Today is bring this into low income communities of color, because we believe that these advanced ideas on not imposing bar agenda on somebody. It means that we're somebody. that. We have views were part of the community. The community is divided. We'll bring those ideas in the community. Decide if they want them. They're free agents, but it makes no sense to go in and say I have no agenda. For You and. They do have an agenda. The agenda is to overthrow the empire, but these groups, this guy and and trained. Patrisse cullors see race as a tool or use racial groups as stooges to achieve their overthrow of the empire transformer, organizing focus on society's most oppressed and exploited classes. It's a strategic alliance strategic, we believe. That the vast majority of people in the United States I can be one to an anti racist anti politics, but that's very very hard. You have to start somewhere we start. The intersection of the Black and Latino community has a strategic alliance that central to building a broader multiracial math, and within that the role of the black and Latino working class, including defining the working class as women in the home plus writers prisoners. Yes factory workers are people at the point of production, but there are many ways to organize the working class besides just as workers because they're working class every minute of the day, so we have a bus riders union. We have a community rights trying to get kids out of the pre prison system goes. People were just as working classes a factory. So it really doesn't matter as long as they can get a pro and con group together. They'll use it to to weaken the system, and this is the only clip that really matters this one because I think this type of thinking that clearly is in universities, probably in grade schools and has taken over the woke infrastructure with black lives matter. Is, is in fact this dishonest crap that they're doing to weaken society? It's not about race. It's not about LGBT. You think you're special now. They don't care about you. This is identity politics, which agrees where the Democrat Party is all in on this, and this is what really matters. He answers the question. What do you actually want? To Movement. People want. You're not when you go to the police station, the university so here's some things we want. We think of systematic with transformative organizers. A systematic transformative organizers all caught up in these terms is ten years ago. This is ten years ago that long ago. here we go with the list goes older than this disguise speech. Free, the US two million prisoners. Prisons. Your third about. Iraq, now bring the troops home groups home. To Social Welfare state, not the police. Thousand buses new hospitals, mental health clinics and public schools and a hundred thousand less police sounds familiar. FREE SAFE and legal abortion with public support and financing. Minus having the right to abortion without parental consent. Racist, transatlantic slave trade the peoples of Africa the African. Union. Long list. Unconditional amnesty an option of citizenship between me. Immigrants Open the US board for the. Democratic rights equality for LGBTQ people are. Shut down the eight hundred ten basis of military occupations like. All right stop the traffic of women and girls, which is very related to eight hundred ten bases. Reverse global warning stop. Short drilling restrict. Global warming Libyan proposal for the Kyoto Treaty that reduce greenhouse gases to fifty percent below one thousand nine hundred level by twenty seventeen. Climate Change. Maradas not our Barack Obama. Determination sovereignty for the Palestinian people go. Hello I GotTa be gotta be in their code. Jobs are income now for the thirty, two million unemployed. Guaranteed jobs is. Operatives from Venezuela, another third will. Protect. Communists. Stopped the embargo on Cuba. Marco Rubio finally end the war on drugs, the war on crime, the war on gangs and the war on terror. So. It sounds familiar. That's because I. think that's been going on. was. Also on the lists of the radical abolitionist movement ages has been there for ear been there for years under this new none of this is snow shock to anybody? If. You get tenure moment I. Bet you go back twenty years or find another example of the is limited the same, but they'd probably put the trendy things like climate change the. Cue whatever a lot of people don't realize just say. If, so they don't really know what they're talking about. And I to me that kind of Clarity, okay when we say this or Cultural Marxism. Whatever you want, it's this is this and it's not to solve anyone's problem. It's only to. Ultimately. Get rid of the police. Get rid of the army. Can Walk in I guess, and they prey on weak. April. Dummies! And I think Patrisse cullors was primed that she was ready to be sucked into this listen to. This is a quick, just a few quick clips about her her growing up, and it sounds a little reminiscent of Robin Diangelo I grew up. I grew up as a working class queer. Black woman. And A. Single Parent household. No father. My father was in prison. Addiction both my my basically all my family is kind of typical. Life of black working class people, so she seventeen. I'm sorry. I don't think that necessarily being a drug addled is a life typical, typical black working class people. I, that's her generalization, but this is her recounting. She's been. She's a wreck. She's a everything's not to put the checklists down. Let's follow what she has to say. She's obviously the one to follow because of her background I this is like insanity the okay. So let's follower for a second. Because you're going to see the model is there this is this is the easy prey for me when I came to the organization when I was organized into the organization is. How about that some cultish language when I was organized into the organization? For me when I came to the organization when I was organized into the organization, I was seventeen and a half. I was really. I was really angry and I didn't have a direction I. Just was spewing angers angry at what I bared witness with my family and police brutality angry that my mother had to work three jobs, and she never slept I was angry that just like there's so many things I was looking at and so many things. That I was angry about and Damon Leigh and Jerry. Brown who's in the room, today and power? who joked with I said hey, remember how seven and and a half and you Organiz me. Organized me into the bus is at the time and what Ashley. Colt Code, or they're laughing about it. You remember when you organized me. There's obviously some kind of ritual or something. Like she got laid. Attention I was showed a ten minute clip of the bus riders union, and there was the scene in the film. Where there's a black woman organizing on the bus, and as a Korean woman, organizing in the back of the bus, and the black woman is speaking Spanish. And I'm like wait what! I'm. In the black woman turns, the Korean grandmother and goes. Oh Korean college, the Korean Organiz back and was like we have a cream speaker. Can you come organizer? Organized that that's what I want. Be a part of that right? There makes sense to me so. That or using it as a as a verb that way organized me is weird. That's that's cultish stuff. Remember when you were code. Yes, coach, anyway so the bottom line. This is her. This is a real issue. Hasn't really changed much. My brother's still in prison My my father passed away in December and what I say of racism I'm use only fifty three years old and he passed racism because this country killed him. Okay, so there's some hatred there some severe hatred issues. This country killed him so no wonder and she is organized. So all of this is. It's a cycle I guess. Except now we have the social media network aspect to it, and that cranks up the noodle gun, which is then you have? Gall in on this thing. Because they've. K We have to destroy the country which overthrow the government, which is really what this boils down to when it comes because that's what they say, yes. why would you so you're another words your? Especially you're in. The university somewhere and you can actually afford to go to one of them, and you want to overthrow the government because you will benefit in some ways that because even benefit. For I mean what is the point? This is a a very interesting fog that they've established oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah, around stupidly role, party and Parvati part of it. You know I'd take my. I take my learnings from Professor Theodore Kaczynski. Who said that you know the you look at the kids? We went through the. Think of the children get them participation trophies. That never had anything to fight for. They haven't had to fight for shelter for food. The ones that we're seeing protesting at least the looting different different gang different bunch, but that's also explainable, but the protests that turned into lopping attacks. They're they're finally? These kids have something to live for. They were given the twenty year olds now. They were bay. Come, to college, you. You get a piece of paper. It's going to be great and then a working for eleven to fifteen bucks an hour. Doing retail customers treating them like shit, and then you know, and they have no future they've. They've not been challenged and all of a sudden. This comes along and. And the feedback mechanism of the videos, online postings and the likes and the shares and the community in the rainbows and everything. It's so. To me now. And all you need to do is just throw a couple of organizers with some money. Thank you, George, Soros with an extra two, hundred and twenty million promised. We know where that's going. That's going into the Susan Rosenberg version of the or half of the system, and she distributes the money where people liked her. I'm sure there's many more when we look and these are the old fuckers from the sixties and Seventies. Crazy! They're still in the game. Yeah well should've been kept in jail, but I guess what you're GonNa. Do I'm impressed? Also. Also kind of you have to kind of admire Soros. Because if you really think about it I I had when I worked for bills. If you get these guys, get a lot of my bills. If one of the first of the of the first round of billionaires, he was one of the first. Back when there was like twenty in the world, not a thousand. and. He people talk about his relatives. Talk about this, too. He liked to fuck with people. He had all these he had this huge mushroom magazines and need finding. A lot of rich people who do that Shit. Yeah. It's R- reminds it's. It's actually people watch the movie changing places with Eddie Murphy and in Whoever else in it. With the to rich guys bet a dollar. That if these two guys are giving this just some crazy trading places. Trading it just a screw with people and idea was Y-. You should not to people that were bitching about each other. So, you! Put them together. Make, it ahead of some new magazine, or you do something like that or you're just really ever know that. Make him co CEOS of a publication or editors just to see him blow up! That's sick. That's yeah. and. That's the kind of thing re and it's not just like you said. There's a lot of super-rich people into. This fucking and I think it's hilarious well. It's not I don't think it's evil is as good hearted. By, their status know precisely different group, different standards, and so I'm convinced Soros is one of these guys on the. He does it on a grand worldwide scale and he just. has to be because he's always got kind of a shit, eating grin and a funny kind of way. You know you see. Stupid Look Besa like he's just guided. Just have nothing but fun. It's interesting, though as you look at Soros, Goldberg and Man. When you see a group of the these three people, it's not hard to understand why many eight dos think the Jews route to get the black man? Soros Goldberg and Matt What's interesting. I didn't I shit. I forgot the clip it key said. That he grew up. He was born in forty, two or forty, three and his mom. A silent generation were most of those guys very few baby boomers, baby boomers are more likely to be a patriotic and his mom would just hound him about the fascist fascist fascist, specifically the fascist they came for the Jews. They'll come again and the going after black people, and that's kind of his. Reasoning for why he so interested in the plight of dark skinned people. Doesn't really matter what their history as long as skinned. Yeah, it's kind of rather patronizing. For its I think that's I think that's A. I think that's where he gets it from. It's just it's insane when you start to dive into it, and you look at what's happening like every single from climate change to lgbt Kucha PK. you know equal rights, not that I'm against equal rights, but. All this stuff, it's all their fingerprint and it's the same thing it's just now. It's being used. I mean. Is it still being used by China who have been who've infiltrated everywhere and deploy this, or is it just the Democrat, party, or is it also the Republican? Party is everyone doing. Are we the only shitheads who aren't doing this stuff yet? Know is the Chinese. Communist Party, the CCP. No these tactics. These are all. These all stamp from Marxists early Marxist Tactics Lennon right. This is nothing new to them, and so they probably. They would just amplify it sure they know what's going on. They're not idiots. China's ASS HO. Ho told. Let's talk about some some spies. We got spies in Houston and they're going through the standard operating procedure of the burn bag, which is everyone's like this is crazy. Look, what's going on the burden documents to limit the Russian embassy who clothed with trump? WHO kicked them out? Bomber Still Obama. Immediately start burning documents? So that's the standard operating procedure. That's what you do, maybe trump neighbors early and trump. was. They got a bunch of clips on this stuff. I didn't know. And we can start with listening to a few if you WanNa talk about the consulate. Yeah, let's do that. This is Chinese consulate one? Could've guessed. A global fight escalates again. Today's move to close. The Chinese consulate in Houston is the latest action by the trump administration against Beijing nick. Schifrin reports on what is at stake. In the courtyard of China's Houston Consulate Chinese staff in a hurry they burn documents in drums last night after the administration ordered the consulate close exciting pattern of Chinese theft and espionage. We're setting clear expectations for how the Chinese Communist. Party is going to behave and when they don't who are going, GonNa take actions that protect the American people, administration and intelligence. Officials, tell PBS Newshour. The Chinese diffused the Houston consulate as a hub for espionage. Just yesterday the Department of Justice for the first time accused Chinese hackers working for both personal gain and the Communist Party China has now taken its place alongside Russia Iran and North, Korea in that Shameful Club of nations that provide a safe haven for cybercriminals in exchange. Those criminals being on call for the. The benefit of the state but senior officials told PBS Newshour today was also about diplomatic reciprocity in January and fears of covid evacuated its Wuhan. Consulate, it has not reopened because of a dispute over whether US employees have to quarantine and take covid nineteen tests upon arrival. The Chinese airports long term us. Officials say they want to reduce their footprint in China in addition to the Beijing Embassy, the US has five consulates on the Chinese mainland and Hong Kong. Consulate senior officials say they've accepted the likely permanent closure of one consulate and intend to move elsewhere in Asia. Wonder when you listen to these news reports and I wonder who was doing that reading. What's the station? It was on because there's no one of the no one gives a crap about China because it's really not compelling, the ways delivered. To Hell. What station is this? That's your PBS Newshour. Hello Oh my God. That's really so exciting. I don't know why people don't listen to it, but we report on the story. Benches spoke at this way, and then no one paid attention to me. PRETTY GOOD VOICE DOWN! To go to work. For. S.. Exit Strategy Everybody. Yes, I would I would agree with that in fact. Yes. Yes, will. Again. That's why we're here. So, what did he actually say because I fell asleep I think halfway through, he said. There's a quid pro quo at play. Was this because I? Live. It had to do with this indictment. Linked in the show in in the the actual indictment was linked in the newsletter. And you can read it. I read it. It's very entertaining. What did you learn? Learn these guys are bad actors. Were They Lena's blind? They've been doing it for thirty years. Apparently, and nobody's done anything about until trump came along, and it was going to continue until we just basically had no industry. We've moved everything all and industrial manufacturing and everything that China because it was cheaper. I'm really amazed. No one is so outraged like you are. Because probably they didn't hear it. When I was telling them the story about what was going on with China and Chinese Lee okay. You get the Gag. Okay good. Good. To Chinese consulate to. I can't guess there you go more more is a Robert O'Brien on ideology of the Chinese, Communist Party or CCP. The CPI stated goal is to create a community of common destiny for mankind and to remake the entire world, according to the. FBI Director Christopher Ray. If you're an American adult, it is more likely than not that. China has stolen your personal data and Attorney General William Bar the ultimate ambition of China's rulers. Isn't the trade with the United States it is to raid the United States us China really their lowest point since relations began in nineteen, seventy nine. Take the case of Houston by is of Tuxedos were on. Don't shopping today in nine hundred seventy nine, then Chinese leader Deng Xiao Ping, visited the city and the Johnson Space Center Houston was the first Chinese consulate in the US, but while some China watchers worry about the confrontation, the trump administration says it's overdue for long longtime. Our policy simply reflected allowing China to engage in behavior that was radically on reciprocal, normally unfair to the American people and frankly put America's national security at risk. And so we have begun to turn that around. I. It's interesting that PBS did pick a couple of quotes from bar the piece that we played so that, but just one or two quickies. Didn't you didn't put any of the Nazi talk. The good stuff. He didn't get anything good from Ray, but by the way it was interesting in that clip where you had this monotone guy. You've been ridiculing here and de Dah Dah Dah. Dah Dah talk like this. Throwback to a clip from the nineteen seventies where the seat. Texas! Horn, don't. Exactly and then done Joel Ping area. Do Dung jumping to the stage. Yeah okay never mind. So, if you so that it is very contrast, and you're right, and it's and I didn't notice. I did notice it because I was trying to get clips and I'm thinking effect. I could eclipse even more tightly with different enjoying it. Don't get me wrong, but. What I noticed when I was getting the cliffs. Not I didn't pick up on it, but I didn't realize it was the presentation itself. That was so bad, not material at the materials pretty good once you pointed out. It's hard to argue is a monotone loser. Aw, Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Blah. You know it's no good and. And I think the news hour PBS. Newshour is getting more liked this and I say that because now that you mention it, there's a report later in the show on something else which I don't know if I clipped it or not. This is the same thing so designed boring guy egging young. He's got no modulation whatsoever now. Do you think this is a style they like or is this intentional so that they can have some cover saying but the way I see it. As we reported on it just no one heard it because they just zoned out within two. Did they camp no I. Think it's the style they like. Wow, it's so lame! I think it's a an. I don't know why they like it. It's worse coming from muscles. Also from you know actually, if the the mainstream media already hijacked by Chinese interests. They should just start presenting like Chinese TV as fun. Seeing it a little what? You're thinking of the Korean TV. Take Korean doesn't matter. I'm why I watch Chinese TV A lot. At least our version gt or is called China's greater network to end network television G. A. C. N. T.. and. They have a lot of monotones, senators, one woman who's considered I think the best of the interviewers, and she's pretty bad, but in terms of the monotone presentation It's possible that they are already in. This. May All be Chinese influence to on PBS would surprised. Let's put it that way. Let's play clip three. Concerns about China the challenges that it poses. To international law discover. GotTa set this clip. So Clip Serie is the this went on for a long time. They brought a couple of people on one. An Ole Sis State Department hack. Who worked for? Work this it. Your name is Thornton. She worked for I. She came out of the Obama administration, but she was kind of neutral, said he kept her on as an assistant secretary and that we're going to bump her up after she tillerson kept her on my okay, so tillerson keeps her on and she is She's a real dead and tillerson keeps running when Tillerson goes. They're going to bump her up. Because trump's thing is you know he puts these people in positions where they get rid of one of these, bump the next, just temporary, the become acting for a while. Yeah, it's an easy. And then then it's real easy to put. There's a problem. DHS now against. Being we'll get a new guy it's. Starting scamming job of its style, so he has a management stuff, so they put this woman in. They're gonNA bumper. Because Tillerson quit in on his burke and do anything yeah, and it was trump's fault, and so she's going to be bumped up. No made it was actually Rubio that. CAUSED THE STINK! No, this woman is not going anywhere because it turns out according to Rubio and the rest of the conservative Republicans. She's just pro China. And the monkey comes out of this leave. And so that was the end of hers, so she got booted, but she bring her to this, and then they end. She's countered to a Guy I think his name is Chang is very is an author, and he's a Chinese live in China for Twenty Chang. Gordon Chang Gordon Gordon Chang I've a clip of him to Gordon Chang is great now and he's not putting up with any crap so here. She is there during the back of the. She's going on kind of hinting this trump's fault and the and this is unprecedented doing. This and then changes. Let's her habit. Many other countries are concerns about China the challenges that it poses. To international law and order to our economic competitiveness, but this kind of action gives the impression of recklessness, and it's not really clear to me what it accomplishes. Gordon Chang recklessness and not clear what it accomplishes. Do you believe the closure was in US interest? I certainly believe that this was the right thing to do the state. Department talked about protecting US intellectual property and the Houston console is known as a hub for espionage. We've been talking to China about hacking. And all the rest of these things for three decades and yet we haven't gotten anywhere. We had the agreement with Chinese leaders seek Jinping in September. Two thousand, fifteen for countries not to. To Hack each other for commercial purposes, we had the section three alum tariffs that were supposed to be a remedy for the theft of US intellectual property, but China has continued to steal us p. in the hundreds of billions of dollars a year Yes, you could say this is unfortunate. Closing the consulate, but we had to do something to try to get China to stop this dangerous activity. No Buddy of mine who works at an Accountant company? Accountancy. The Xerox Machine. I'll just say generically because I don't think it was the Xerox but the copier. Broken yeah, they do a lot of copying and law office's accountants offices and he called tech support. Dan was connected to a Chinese help desk and I'm thinking to myself. These things are plugged in. Who the hell knows what's being copied out? There's so much stuff plus a great idea. Why wouldn't it work that? I mean network copy? Machines are standard fare now well. The copy machine is basically a scanner. I mean there's old fashioned way I mean. If you go back to the original Xerox, you could say well, it's it's kind of scanner, but it's not the kind of scanner that we have today now, but you have a scans and then makes a copy. And the scan could easily be sent down to the. Wire while there's even there's even. Cables that have little bits of firmware ended. Apparently the can capture stuff and send it off the ferry. This IP addresses it a lot of espionage going on, but of course we also do have Gordon Chang. There's a number of Chinese dissidents. Who are clearly you know working with trump? I think Steve Bannon Banyan Banyan is working for some of these Chinese billionaires who run some other anti-china television network and he'll create his movies what he calls a movie like a youtube movie. China, China, actually, he only says CC PCP. Chinese. People I don't give all the Chinese people pass anymore. You got the Internet. Come on. Get on the stick, help us out. Want to hear what Gordon Chang says in my clip. Loved to Goo Great. State Department said the reason it was shut is because it was involved in intellectual property theft, and they also wanted to protect the information of US individuals also, there are stories that this conflict had links with protest groups in the United States providing financial and logistical support hot unconfirmed, but what is confirmed is that the Chinese Foreign Ministry and the Communist Party's Global Times have been engaged in a malicious disinformation campaign, deliberately stoking racial tensions in the US us. Customs has seized items coming from China this year. That would be very handy for protesters. Well now. Unconfirmed, but like what? I don't know, I have no maybe. Helmets and gear stuff like that and they always seem to have interesting gear. Bricks on Chinese bricks maybe. Can. So it's not just the consulate in Houston. That is a problem it seems we haven't issue in San Francisco as well. This investigation stems from a move by the trump administration earlier this year to go after researcher who are here in the United States on student visas, but have proven ties to the China's military. This woman named Drunk Tang was a researcher at UC Davis her visa application stated that she never served in the military, but the FBI claims an investigation revealed pictures of her in a type of uniform from the People's liberation. Liberation Army, a further search at her home, allegedly revealed evidence on her electronics of her affiliation, according to the FBI and they say that on June twentieth. She went into the Chinese consulate in San Francisco where she has been ever. Since two more students were named in the court documents Changsong was charged with visa fraud. She researched neurology at Stanford University. Her twenty-eight team visa application claimed that she ended military service in twenty eleven, but the FBI says that she is in fact appealing member. Wang was a researcher at UCLA during an interview on June seventh he admitted to being an active duty member in the p. l. a. they claim that he was instructed by a supervisor in China to copy the layout of the UCSF lab to replicate it when they got back home, and that his devices found studies from UCSF that they allege he planned to share with his lab. This news comes as the Chinese consulate over in Houston Texas was ordered to close by the trump administration today live in the newsroom. ELYSSA ammonia for news. Donald trump don't trust China. China is asshole. They're here. They're spying on us and yet. It doesn't seem to be no Russia. Roger! Story I'm going to give you. Because that was unknown to me Oh. Thank you and your backyard. A. They cover it here. That would be crazy. Russia trump orangemen bad. We all know that I did pick up a An edit of Pompeii owes speech about China's Asshole in UK. It's about a minute and a half in the just good to hear. Reiterating the points as the all of government and hopeful. They wish for the all of society. effort moves forward to expose China of course, began with the challenge presented by the Chinese Communist Party and the COVID nineteen virus that originated in Wuhan China. Have the American people. I want to extend my condolences to the British people from your losses. From this preventable pandemic. To CCB sexploitation of this disaster, further its own interests Ben. Disgraceful. Rather than helping the world general secretary, she has shown the world. The party's who've aches we talked about. How we see in Hong Kong's freedoms crushed. We've watched the CIBELLI. Its neighbors militarize features in the south. China Sea and to get a deadly confrontation with India. I want to take this opportunity to. Congratulate the British government for its principles responses to these challenges. You've made a sovereign decision Van Wall from future five G. Networks. Joined other free nations to condemn China's broken promises on the side of British treaty. You generously opened your doors to Congress who seek nothing more. Than fleeing just for some freedom and yesterday's was bad at your expedition, treating extended your arms embargo on China to Hong Kong itself how we support those sovereign choices we think well done. I'll later today with Hong Kong Democracy Advocate Nathan. Lonzo Chris Baton the last governor of Hong Kong I'm sure those will be opening an important discussions to. Dominate mentioned that free trade discussions. We completed two rounds more work to do. Third Round scheduled for later this month that the. Primary focus of the United States to see if. We can make progress on this and bring this to closure just as quickly as possible with the prime minister this morning about this and I hope that we can get finalized before too long. Ass Hoe Yep. The message is very clear and just make everything crazier with, and they're very consistent. The Chinese virus, not even saying Chinese. Corona virus, just the Chinese virus. I'm reading here in front of me from pubmed, which is the National Institute of Health publication? Website. and. I'm not sure how this is vetted or. Any of it came from the Journal of biological regulators and Homeo- static agents, a study and research. Ready for you may want to sit down. I'll read the abstract version in this research we show that five G. millimeter waves could be absorbed by Dermott by dermatological cells, acting like antennas transfer to other cells and play the main role in producing corona viruses in biological sales. Let. This is gotTa View Spoof. How did they get this in? Here has got to be a spoof. This is so good I mean it is on the NIH DOT GOV website. I'm that I'm I'm sure of you got to write Ns spooked on the website now. It's not spoofed on the website. So that goes on to say, Dina's built from charged electrons and atoms that has an inductive structure. The structure could be divided into linear toward round in inductors. Yeah, they're inductors interact with external electromagnetic magnetic waves moving produce some extra within the cells I don't like that some extra ways was that the shape of these waves are similar to shapes of hexagonal and. Pentagonal basis of their DNA source. something's dubious about this. These basis could join to each other and form virus like structures such as corona virus. While it is true, we do create our own corona viruses. To produce these viruses within a cell, it's necessary that the wavelength of the external waves be shorter than the size of the cell. Thus five G. millimeter waves could be good candidates. For applying in constructing virus like structures, such as covid nineteen within cells. I'm confused. How can this be? This is put that aside. We'll work on. That's not has listeners. We producers out there that know for sure, but it fries my brain when I see that on the it's like no come on. Say H DOT GOV DOT onion. I kind of looked. Onion anymore since the onion got taken over by Jesse Bell Oh, really did they biased and that same group yes so now the. Announced the Babylon. If you went humor, you gotta go to the Babylon. Be Onions. Nobody'll babylon is is is is fantastic. There's one thing. Note that I got from Sirloin. Wife and I have noticed a very strange occurrence. My wife likes to get flower seeds off the net. Where I get my cease to. They all seem to come from China recently. The people in the gardening forums pay attention trolls. The people in the gardening forums we are in had been receiving small packets from China. None of these people have ordered anything they just show up. They are marked earrings, but have some kind of seeds in them. We have not received any yet, but being that. We're kind of at war with China I'm a TAD concerned as to this offering free seeds marked jewelry, I wonder if any other producers have seen this. What could that that's that's kind of dubious. I wonder what maybe it's. It's poppy seeds I. Don't know what could it be? Earrings I wonder why they say earrings. Code Yeah of course. It's code, but why, but let's St. It's a crazy world. I'm telling you crazy things going on crazy. I mean we get a lot of seed catalogs, but these people grow their own seeds. I mean we get. wiki grow seeds Seeds come from China issued grow Grayson exotic plants that you can't get here. I probably need probably just order from an American site, and they're just sourcing them from China I. Don't know. Did I would I wouldn't be my my place to get seeds from. Honestly I'd be like man, maybe not. China's not a slot agricultural country. That's for sure they. Ask. Early and I wanted still pondering it which is. Are the Chinese so uncreative that to build a a college research lab? They have to copy one of ours. The one Davis wherever it is. That was the report that the woman women. Are they they. They copy everything. They don't the implication as they don't have an original thought. Yeah that's implication, but it's not true. No certainly not true. But maybe they. Skip round, letter. Low, self esteem as an entire culture that they will we. WE CAN'T BUILD A lab. Lay Out, very. You know what very possible is very possible. That's culture like we. That's not what we do. We copy and we recreate. That's I mean that can be a culture I believe that. That's all you know stuns me. No I just I find it I find that particular one little element to be quite peculiar. Ticks. The got money. They got all kinds of stuff. I don't know they can buy the design. Maybe the idea was going to make design, but instead maybe the. Here comes. A. Day could do the designed from scratch, but this is cheaper best price. 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If you and if you just go to Google as an experiment I, do it frequently just to make sure we haven't been delisted you type in the words, no agenda type in no agenda man, you get everything, but there's no real explanation to the troll rooms where you WanNa go is no agenda, stream, dot, com, and from no agenda Stream. You'll be able to register and hang out in the troll room. troll on live shows, and also just troll for to I to explain it, and a big in the morning to the Artiste, who brought us the artwork for episode twelve sixty one. We titled that Info Democ. We're in the middle of IT Jordan. thirty-three returns relatively new on the scene, knocking out some favorites, but what a dynamite piece of work I mean. This was the. Act Three the clapboard without she in the background and It was a artistically beautiful piece and you. You really Drag me into this one. It didn't take long for me to understand what you're saying. I was kind of looking at the memo my mask off. Yeah, we had a good piece by Darren, As. Daring produces at least to every show every hour every hour. He's just. Flowing our. He he had. We had a couple of these laugh aluminium Laugh your mask off. Yes emoticons concert. Modi's and he did one that would that you like the most? And it was pop pop the lump it pop pop pop in other words. It had a good it had a lot of contrast and had a nice look but I like this other one better because it was, it was more creative. It had all kinds of elements which Dale emo had one element exit actually also popped when you when you realized out to pop. The natural cropping on twitter now. I'm looking at the list there. There's some other ones that were pretty good most of them people got Kinda hung up and I'm gonNA tell artists tip right now. Nobody is going to get a winner. With the noodle gun theme. Can Stop now. As, well just give up. Just an Attempt after attempt to making something with a gun to No, it's not going to happen. so just stopped doing that. On the other that we have here FAO, she's head. You know what? You ended up. Being the one that wants that means she's not going to be winning anything probably not. Just generally speaking I don't know if it was, it was a lot of that could have been used, but essentially not used the people using some. Stuff like the my show our show. GAGGY, in A. Pick those desisted never going to happen? And that's comics blogger. Mostly because he hates us. Thinking only hates you his slavic brother. Why don't you blind me on? Twitter on block block. Did on block, so was he complaining about? How did you block them on no agenda social not yet. and. That's the next thing I. wanted promote after thanking Jordan thirty three again for outstanding piece of artwork. NO AGENDA ARE GENERATOR DOT com. You can put your art up there and. All the process we pick it actually I was talking to I did I finally fulfilled the promise I went on Nick the rat show. It was on last. He wants me to do the show someday. You should totally do that by. Is Fun. Fun Fun interview and he asked very good questions. Not Great ones, but good ones. and. He was convinced that by putting red in the artwork. It was more prone to being picked and he was pretty sure that you that you are susceptible to read on your. Sucker, for reading the art worse and the Roger Black Theory of design. Don't what is the Roger Black Theory of design? You're blind. Did the Rolling Stone logo among other? Yeah. No No, no, I'm sorry. Rolling Stone magazine Yeah. They're they're their their logo and others have. He's a famous designer and he's always believed that all designed should be should have the elements of white. Black and red period. So you see a lot of designs that are just white, black and red or largest blackout. This all dominatrix colors. and. Side I guess this attractive. I'm not sure where we all know that orange is the only color that matters now. Bad Is. All out to a to a new artists that debt, because I was gonna use this art for the newsletter, and I decided against it Banjo Man Jeff. Who took a? Or Guys Doctors Dr Seuss Cartoon, and he took a very put masks onto the animals. Is On listed. A wonderful piece! It is derivative to a point. It may be too derivative and knowing that that. Yeah, we don't WANNA get canceled Atlanta yet. A letter a letter. Yeah, we got to be careful about those thing. There is a thin line. Where were fair use bleeds. Yeah and we've tried to ride the line a little bit, and if look, when in doubt, throw it out, but I'll what I'll tell you. There's no one I'd rather ride the line with. Wow. Why I is no one I'd rather line, ride the line with. Travis. Mercer Thank you Charlotte. North Carolina Miata here, yes. What is Travis say? 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I ask you have your own balls. I do I have my own balls? Like most people should have their own balls since Dan? He has bolted to eighty nine and offense nice. To hit the three three hundred. Is this good? Wow and this is the one that gets me for bread eleven year old. However, old is shot an eight thirteen three-game series in a league. Unbelievable. I've never shot in eight thirteen and I know very few. Know Very few people shooting eight hundred. A three-game series is quite remarkable nowadays with. The balls of got weights and emanate. Than when I was a kid, we actually had a real. You had to be a solid ball. It couldn't have. Couldn't be. You can have a rigged ball game kind of rigged bowls. That were used to be illegal or legal now. Okay doesn't matter. It's an eleven year old. An eleven year old crazy the point I. don't Care Shooting at eight. Thirteen is not nothing trivial. He was plant by the way I don't think anyone's officially shot at nine hundred ever. Now I don't think you have to shoot three perfect games in a row. It's almost impossible He was planning on doing more tournaments, but most every event was cancelled due to the row now. Less he's able to compete this weekend in Nashville in this donation of two twenty, which if he were to average that for the upcoming tournament could be enough to thank. For Cheese to win, what would be his last competition in this age group, and so I humbly request Bowling Karma from a human resource. That's a great story. What a great kid! NO NATION! It'd be a nation man, we rock. You've got Karma. Practice up in. Get my game back up to something decent men. I WANNA play him someday. Why don't you do that? I'd love to go bowling I never think about it, but you've got balls everything you know how to do it. You know where to go. You should get some balls Adam. Cost that much. Good Ball. Current prices are by get a good ball and he can have. It waited. Swords could cooks a lot. Probably for? 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Way Safe like maybe well or like. It's just say the. Concept okay everybody. Claim said it wants Oh that's now. This is bad, so I have. I think I have a good retort, because this is annoying and we need to stop this stay safe. So WE'LL TRY it out of I've received good, say okay. Thank you very much. John Gone. Stay safe yes, under his eye. And then just walk off. Stay safe under his is. If if someone says, stay safe, you say yes. Or under his watch, maybe now under his I. isn't that the one from Religious thing no, that's from the. Hague. Handmaidens Tale I never watched that piece of shit. So Clearly a failed attempt here. Okay. I'm sorry, so I wouldn't go okay to just do it again this time you do it, okay. All right. So okay I'll see you later. Adam, yes, okay, John An hey, stay safe. With Jesus. Do. Like that one a lot. I like it a lot, and it's a good way to and also spreads the word of the Lord, so it's not A. Bad ideas somebody's word, but it's definitely a show, Scott. It's definitely showstopper. Wow, yeah, I hadn't considered that very nice. We have our last guy here sure. Anybody else possibly surely this someone we can still offend. He's been heat. Defenses brother-in-law evidence Cirrhosis is up. He's he's our associate executive producer from Atlanta. G A two hundred Bucks ATM homeys like Jobs Karma Request for my special lady is making a switch dome masked fist-bump cirrhosis. All right so does he want to just jobs. Okay? We got US jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Harmless. More time. That will more ties. We'll make sure it really works so you're leaving. You're leaving. Okay I'm Outta here see you later all a and stay safe. Okay whatever? Such a Douche come on man. Why don't you play along? I gotta cut that. You'RE GONNA do a comeback. Okay, do one more time. Hey, okay, so long Abbasiya later all right? Hey, remember, stay safe with Jesus. Oh. Have you done his work? Now doesn't work doesn't work nothing. We just keep it that that's good, but you can. You also get A. There's no retort to know he's GonNa. Say anything you could say with. Buddha you all kinds of things it will be kind of fun to mix it up. See which one gets the best reaction report back. People report back. Okay. Let me try another one. Okay this time. I said this. You say rate the discipline I think may is maybe better. Okay all right. Okay. See You later Adam. All right stay safe. Go Fuck Yourself. What did YOU HAVE FOR BREAKFAST! You have dropped to F. bombs on this show. What is happy? You didn't. Did you not sleep well, something something's going on. Something's happening out there. Now I have to put an X. rated label on the show so much extra work. was that our last donation? Do we have one more? that. Was it okay? Wow, still a little shaken, not stirred from that one, but thank you very much everybody. These are executive producers and associate executive producers for episode, one, thousand, two, hundred sixty. What are we at two of the no agenda show it's. It's fantastic to see so many people producing this Of course we need the financial support very simple you get out of. Of what you put into it, so if you found any value after listening to a program at just translate into numbers, and that's the value signed to it, and we appreciate it, and we'll be thanking more people fifty dollars, and above in our second segment. Please remember that we have another show coming up on the second Thursday of the week on Sunday for more information go to. Dot Org slash. Did look it up. It is in fact actually. Thursday the twenty third so there. Are Formula Is this? We go out. For yet people in the mouth. So the e U Got, their deal together. Really I think the Netherlands now owns Italy. I mean that makes the way they've. I mean it's it's it's that crazy. The Netherlands has a lot of power, or at least they're saying they have a lot of power. We'll see in the big e you morass if it really does happen that way. But it's kind of like Rhode Island being. You know making California's Bitch. It's really weird to very odd situation, and the not not really a lot of money. And their total package is under a trillion. It's like nine hundred year. Nine hundred billion euros doesn't seem like a lot. that. Will we're drop a trillion left and right and I think today is the big announcement of the fourth the fourth part. So it looks like twelve hundred bucks for everybody, well an extension of unemployment, but it's GonNa be a cap that I thought forty or sixty, forty, thousand or sixty thousand a year. So I don't know it's going to be I'm sure it'll be interesting. Well, this is leveraging. The argument for guaranteed income. Yeah, but yes I. Think what you're GonNa, do well. You just won't be tomorrow or the next day, but some were down the road some has. This is what happened back then. It didn't break the bank. We could do it. We should probably starting back because something has to be done we have to. We have to go in that direction because of the nature of the Of Our, our economic system defected. We've got robots doing a lot of work in. Place a people and yeah, and there's there's no jobs jobs, even when we bring manufacturing back which I think we're GONNA do as long as trump's stays in office. You'll promote it there. Biden wouldn't but if he if we get you know, get more self sufficient like we should always been traditionally. They're still won't be enough jobs. No, that's going to be a gardener. Well, certainly with the amount of restaurants and bars that are closing, it'll take a while for that to cycle before some of it comes back or is taken over by new ownership and. I think it's these same disillusioned to. Kids in their twenties, who working at those places and then and I think it's universally recognised now that a lot of a made made out like bandits is not true made out much better than their than working wage wise with the with unemployment six hundred a week. which is a sad state of affairs? Tano. And trump trump seems to well I mean he clearly is misguided if he's only looking at the at the stock market I mean the money has nowhere else to go. It really doesn't. It's just gonNA. Keep love the stock market. I don't know he's never been considering investors at real. Estate Guy Right. But it's fun peculiar that he's so jacked up about the stock market. He's not a guy who's in the stock likes graphs I thought. He did a pretty good A pretty good job of his I to. covid nineteen briefings just going up there, saying death rates almost down. We're testing a lot more boom vaccine coming all right two questions. We're out. And of course CNN is not carrying those MSNBC does carry them, but cuts off before the questions and Fox carries them all the way through Fox News of course, the white supremacists cell, network We've got to mention that last on the last show. For this is now, we have. You've seen the ED Henry lawsuit or you've heard about it. Now you know I know at Henry was yeah. I don't know the details you might, as you obviously do I would like to hear them Ed. Henry is being. Sued. For. He apparently had a relationship, but I could be DSM relationship with with a producer or co worker. Were could be both of course. which appears it was consensual but then there's all these details like she said the safe. Because Henry's the dumb. He's a he's WHO's A. Relationship? Yes, and Ed Henry Look at Handy. That guy was the dom he was the. Dominant the dominant of the two and he would ignore safe words, and apparently this text messages and Pictures All news to me. Pictures we last. Listen to me. PICTURES WITH CLOTHES PINS ON GENITALS I. To hear the details. Data granularity you. The general details. Okay, so that's the general. The general details, but then they drank. Buddy wants to hear that go. And then I if governor. Build what's his name Governor Cuomo wants to hear all about it. I'm sure he's probably paying attention. Keep on with the story. He's all about that, so then they. They brought in another lawsuit which it looks pretty feeble actually. Implicating. The Tucker Carlson tried remember the liberal Sherpa. On his show for a while. and He kinda could Tucker Carlson you make fun of her, and she ideal now all right well anyway. She said that he had said. In New York and we should have dinner or come up to my hotel room. Anyway, the whole point is. They're really going after Fox News and positioning the upper echelon as a white supremacist cell consisting of Tucker Carlson's Tucker Carlson Sean, Hannity and Frau Ingram. What about what's his name? Henry. Henry just kicked it all off. That got the attention because it's the whole. Just their positioning as this, but then there's sexual harassment lawsuits I think it's just the whole thing is just funny. But what is? To happen to better company, this is true. What is very exciting and I have a boy have four clips before you go off on that I i. do have a Tucker Carlson. Thing says we're talking about okay. Yes, I don't WanNa. have to go back to it. No! Tucker, Carlson, the gave a little speech at the IT, which pretty much explains what what everything's about. This is Tucker's lament about what's going on with the New York. Times or thing before we go tonight last week, The New York Times begin working on a story about where my family and I live. As a matter of journalism, there is no conceivable justification for a story like that paper is not alleging we've done anything wrong and we happen payroll taxes. We like our neighbors. We've never had a dispute with anyone. So why is the New York Times doing a story on the location of my family's house? Well. You know why to hurt us to my wife and kids, so that I will shut up and stop disagreeing with them. They believe in force. We've learned that. Two years ago, left-wing journalists publicized our home address in Washington. A group of screaming antiques lunatic showed up while I was at work. Vandalized are home. They threatened my wife. She called nine one one while hiding in a closet a few weeks later. They showed up again at our house. For the next year. They sent letters to our home, threatening to kill us. He tried to ignore. It felt cowardly to sell our home and leave. We raised our kids there in the neighborhood and we loved it. But in the end, that's what we did. We have four children. It just wasn't worth it. But the New York Times followed us. The papers assigned to political activists called Murray Carpenter to write a story about where we are now. They've hired a photographer called. Tristan spins key to take pictures. Their story about where we live is slated to run in the paper this week. Editors there know exactly what will happen to my family when it does run I call them today and I told them. But they didn't care. They hate my politics. They want this show off the air. If one of my children hurt because of a story, they wrote they won't consider it collateral damage. They know it's the whole point of the exercise to inflict pain on our family to terrorize us to control what we say. That's the kind of people they are still denied this. Of course they'll claim. It's just journalism just the facts. Really, both by the way I just need to stop this second he he has built a studio in his house and he has a noisy ass air conditioner. We notice this a while back. It's been irritating the crap out of me because he's in DC with wherever he's. He is his house. Too Hot and he built a studio in an air conditioner. It sounds like crap doesn't to control what we say that the kind of people they are. They'll deny this of course. Journalism just the facts. Really. Show how would Murray Carpenter and photographer? Pinski feel if we told you where they live. People pictures of their homes on the air. What have we publicize the home address of every one of the soulless robot? Times who signed and manage this incitement to violence against my family. What about the media editor Jim Window? We can do that. We know who they are. That qualify journalism. We doubt they'd consider journalism. They call it criminal behavior if we did it. And? That tells you everything. Well. It's all over for him. It's obviously. He has no. Editorial support production support. His topics are kind of him talking about stuff rehash, not interesting. No in studio guests because he has a green screen is basement. He's done. He's done they I think they I. Think they will finally be able to cancel. He figures out a way to make value for value, work or anything like that, and he gets spark back because he's also not interesting to watch I. Don't know if you've watched him in the last couple of weeks, but it's not interest. As the last time I watched was this I. Yes I'm not gonNA argue this, but I will now I'm fascinated by the by the sound that you bitched about and I realize we have complained about it before. why doesn't it they bring Zeno a good sound? Engineer can can filter that out. Witness the no agenda. Show that you've got air conditioning. You've got people working on the air conditioning. In the basement come on, we got two guys digging outside. We have all we got I'm basically in a in a in a large room. That could have echo the trains go by, and do you hear the honking one coming now Yeah, yeah, you probably filter out the sound. Yourself you're saying there are people that do this for a living. Yeah, it's it's very very low grade. But. Unfortunately once you mentioned interrupting clip. You can't get away. All I could hear I'm sorry. You can't get away from it. But they didn't Oxfam that didn't happen. They, said Oh. We were never planning on that. So it was a good defensive move, but when you're down at that level, it's over. I'm sorry and you know. The Fox kid is donating the Joe Biden. The murder the Fox kids wife works for the Hillary. The Fox kids. Just not gonNA keep Tucker Carlson around. I, Think Sean Hannity key so boring. That doesn't matter. No one cares Ingram I. think is Ondeck. She's she's bound to get canceled. I think I think he adds rough customer Tucker's gotta go. I gotTA. Take these guys out. Say You're I'm Sam Jones Murdoch my to go from the old man. The old man was not I all these right wingers. This whole theory was great, but you know I mean the whole original theory from Roger Ailes was great to get this whole large market, but we already got that market. Now we don't have. Have to keep it. I mean we now were established we can. We can play with the big boys in their own within their own game. We can be more objective. Get rid of some of this slant doing at risk of the slant which I don't like. I'm James Murdoch Big Biden Support I. don't like the slant, so let's get rid. WHO's the big slanders? Your three and there's a few other laggards in there. You know the five and. Greg Gut feel. gutless. Just Comedians Of Comedy, week, but we gotta get. What's the order we gotta get rid of? We gotta get rid of Tucker number. One oh I I know where they're going to put him where I know what they've offered him. It's obvious they've offered him just the moon anything he wants as long as it's on the Fox nation APP. That's where they keep everybody. They got TAMMY! What's her name? TAMMY's on the Fox nation. APP Tammy Bruce Tammy Bruce and her protege Lisa boothe. She's on the Fox nation. That's where they put Bongino part. They park everybody there and with the hope that maybe it'll catch on because I think it subscription the hope that will catch on and they'll be able to make make it work that way. I think that's a strategy and then just make it all white bread dumb on From promote other people maybe Lisa. boothe takes over for Tucker something on. Something uninteresting. It's over. What's not over. said the segway King. Is the chance that we will indeed in our lifetime witness. The unsealing of thousands of sealed indictments and we have new news from the Front Jody Genoa has some interesting info about the sequence of the Durham report, so we should Siri port by the end of this summer. Are you for I? Am I'm a little surprised? By the notion that John Durham is going to publish a report before filing criminal charges. That's really fascinating to me. When I was an independent council of the United States investigating the Clinton. Scandal I love how he that's his only credibility. I was part of the you know Watergate. Whitewater I mean the Passport Scandal Clinton impeachment I was there. I decided whether or not to bring charges then I filed my report and that's the usual sequence. Pretty obvious, and that was actually a very surprising bid of public information in very compact, so apparently the plan is to issue a public report. About the nature of the data and what went into it? before criminal charges are filed. That's going to set up an interesting series of legal challenges to any charges that are brought. Let later. By suggesting that the report prejudice potential jurors, but I'm all for it. I hope they issue the report as quickly as possible and the criminal charges followed thereafter. Joe Geno of my Hyler, how the mighty have fallen! He now calls in on an am talk show. ON SLOAN MONEY! Owners however, there isn't a worst. There wasn't all of government approach to this. They had people out people spreading the message. Here's former US attorney Guy Lewis I think we will see in the next thirty days. Federal Criminal indictments come out the Durham investigation. I think it'll be an overarching. Conspiracy charges obstruction of justice charges submitting false information to the Fayza Court. False information during the course of the investigation, and frankly I think you're gonNA see as has been suggested by the Attorney General. Charges relating to illegal spying during the course of the trump campaign. Look in my experience. Having done this almost twenty years as a prosecutor now almost twenty years as a defense lawyer. I've never seen anything like it. Truly and I've handled. was participating in one of the largest espionage investigations. Here in the country when we did in south Florida a few years ago as I was US attorney. This is going to be something we've never seen before. And I. Give this guy a pass for saying. Because he followed up by saying I've never seen anything like it. So I? Give them a little pass on that look crazy huge. Analysis there now. There's one more Mark Meadows Mark Meadows is he not the current chief of staff? Now! He's the former chief former to yours so he's. She's chief of staff. Another one's acting guys while he went on now. You know that it's an all of government approach that he went on the Sunday show with the original money honey Maria Barreda Romo. Your reaction to what we know now. When are we going to hear from John Dorm will there? Be Indictment Sarah. I think the American people expect an indictments I know I. Expect indictments based on the evidence. I've seen Lindsey Graham did a good job in getting that out. We know that they not only knew that there wasn't a case, but they continue to investigate and spy. And yes, I use the word spine on on trump campaign officials had actually even doing things when this president was was. was sworn in after that and doing it inappropriate Mary. You're going to see a couple of other documents. Come out in the coming days. There will suggest that not only was. The campaign spied on, but the F.. B. Did not act appropriately as they were investigating. It's all starting to come unravel to unravel and I tell you it's time people go to. Jail and people were indicted. Maria can hardly believe it's. It's just unbelievable. That for three years, president was investigated and investigated again over something that wasn't even true, and the entire country was up in arms about collusion. I don't hear anything on the other side of the aisle about this wrongdoing, which is just stunning to me who it is studying here's the interesting thing is is not only that it wasn't true. The problem is they knew it wasn't true. And when you know, something is not true, and you continue investigation. That's collusion. That's the kind of thing that we must stop. And that's what we where we need to hold people accountable. I don't think he's lawyer. But well. I want wanted to. I can't remember his name now. He's guys already fading from view the Ex Congressman. He's from I. Think from the South somewhere. He's a law. He got the long hair with a short cropped Blonde Hair Tho. Gouty tray gouty I think we had a clipper, trey, Goudy, or one of these types of ex guys and you're talking about this exact investigation. And at the end we had the clip and you'll never find it. 'CAUSE I. Don't know how it was labeled, but the but the conclusion was. Nobody's getting indicted about nothing. Was that his conclusion. I'm looking at this conclusion. He says you can. Always get indicted. There's going to be no indictments, and that's why the Genoa was like all of a sudden. He's stunned that there's no indictments before the report because that's the normal process, right? There's GonNa be no indictments period. Okay Yeah you're probably right so sad. This is just not going to be a reports going to be scathing. Oh, they could have done this better. They were wrong to do this. They were wrong to do that and they should have given. It has to be. It has to be one. It won't work because one person zero was our bet that you got I got none you got one. One or more? More fine. If it's twenty I'd be happy. I'm not happy about the idea is going to be none which is what I'm saying. There'll be none if there was to be one. Just a little thought exercise coup. Would we choose to buy Shoes Brennan? Choice to be my choice. And we should like. Give them the chair or something. She'll be electric. That we that'd be cool and make. Make clapper pull the switch. But his buddy yeah. Okay. Live with that clapper. Rick Wilson. He's on your side of this and another piece of news that that I am aware of the White House is extremely unhappy about our told the White House sometime in the last seven to ten days that the famous Durham report is not coming. Not Coming at all, it's not even happening. Well He. Doubted! Rick Wilson, he's He. Oh, he is part of the Lincoln Project. He is the guy. Didn't they? They. They fired their. Their video editor. We talk about that. No we didn't talk about I. Know They've lost a couple of people for sexual harassment or Just. sleazeball Operation Rick Wilson looks like the but so. Basically, they're. They're a a mean video production company with an ATM that the backup to from time to time, and the and the only guy that mattered who made I think videos are good. They made I mean. That's high level. It It's Mimi as an emmy. It's me fight, but that guy had to go. Because he. He he didn't create a safe work environment. Oh, man! I was thinking of you. As I was looking at the noodle gun less just go down the noodle gun list for second red bull. Took your advice. And they purged a number of high level executives who pushed for diversity and inclusion. About that yeah! I mean they took. They took out the guys that are troublemakers. Companies American companies have got to identify and get rid of these troublemakers that are not going to be going to harm the company. You can't have these people. Yeah, the, Red Bull Guy CEO Hopefully he'll get through it but Yeah! He did the right thing. It's what you gotTa do this. I still say. I'm bring it up. Bring it up again and again and again when the evergreen students took it upon themselves to kind of take over the place. They, should identified the troublemakers and expelled them. It's not that hard to do. You can expel your you know and send these kids pack and back home. Saying mom I got into the easiest school in Washington I probably can't get anything else that I got expelled. I. Have to live at home now. That would be just fabulous. Bell, the. Expel Him. You can expel kids. These kind of behavior is not acceptable. University situation and I would do the same thing with all the universities should find these kids that are whining and moaning and these safe spaces, and all the rest and just kick them out. Unfortunately. We missed yet. Another fabulous exit strategy potential. someone has already done it before. We could come up with it. UNHEARD DOT, com U. N. H. E. R. D. as in the heard, and this is where you can find people who want to work who are not not part of the heard. WHO ARE NOT WOKE? Who just want to work I? Think that's that's probably has a future that recruitment site. I think that's I agree. I would hire from them. Yeah, pretty good idea that was still tie was still vet. Vetting is like okay, you invest you know. Didn't hire them. Because river disorder that nine vetted vetted them. You Vet People instead of a interviewing. Them. Quick rundown the the noodle gun. See what's on. The. Racist Noodle Gun. Kissed China is responsible for all of this so did unheard. I S doctors and now calling for the Adam's apple and Achilles tendon to be renamed because of their clearly misogynistic nature. So little noodle gun for that rather the. The top ABC News Executive Barbara for diva. She is indeed out. She got kicked out. After probe into racist comments. then, of course we have at Henry. We all talked about him. Yes, the trader Joe's packaging petition is rather interesting. Classic. This is yeah. I mean they. There's different types of. Products that that they think are cultural appropriation, and or it's here. We go trader. Ming's is used to branch. Chinese food! Trader Ming Okay. We can't have that, so it is a Chinese noodle gun. Right off the bat. We nailed it. Arabian Joe. Middle Eastern food is not okay now, okay? And traitor! It's because there's nobody named Joe in the Middle East beside the point well. It's Arabian Joe. Trader Jose. For. And Trade Jato. And there's also the trader Joe San Jo- San for Japan. This is the a problem it's all. Ball has to go. There's your noodle gun. Netting of the sort by the way we should note woody mean they've done nothing of the sort. Trader Joe's is refused. This is I had a clip on a couple of shows ago. They refused. Trader Joe. This is all started in the bay area by local girl. She's seventeen. And She If I wish you could find the clip I have. The clip is the thirteenth second clip with possible. It's possible. Listen to it, trader. Joe Has died Joe. Colom was eighty-nine. He opened his. That's really. Shoot. US Very Oh. That's not the clip. No, no, it's like a few weeks ago, so the seventeen year old high schooler. was went into trader Joe's and she just got offended right, so she started a petition did stop this racist names? You know she kinda just complete. Far as I'm concerned, unemployable for the rest of her life, started a petition and got three thousand people sign. It became a big national news story. It, they're traders, justice not done Jack Shit. They're not GONNA do this. Don't they said that they did? They would I haven't heard that they did anything. The trader Joe's agrees watched to change. I'm pretty that they did. I'm sure they buckled. Trader Joe's agreed to change. Its name to. Trader Cowardly Eunuch now that's not the story. There's the be. We got the BE. I was sure that he had said they would do it. Yes trader Joe's will eliminate ethnic product names here we go. They buckled to it. Yeah the two week old petition, only twenty five hundred signatures allows off five hundred. He asked the seventeen year old. There's your Brian Bedell. and Trader Joe's said Monday this past Monday decided to use only the trader Joe's name on it, products several years ago, since then it's been the process of up Oh foul week. Oh! We just hadn't gotten around to relabeling everything. Oh my God. Oh, you've got noodle Goo all over your face. We. We decided we were already on board. We've had the old products Oh, please. SLEAZY! Berman's. Actually. Yes all these. We have the voice actors we've that steps could just continues. The LEGO helicopter Kit MMA. Supposed to come out. Everyone's really excited about it. It's the the V. Twenty two osprey helicopter, which is a an Augusta Bell Agusta project to you know the one that has the CAN. It's a plane that can take off vertically like a helicopter, but. They've canceled it. Due to a pressure pressure. People wanted to love bricks hate. War is the group's website. Who went against this love bricks HEO video to see if we can see if the head. LEGO will release its new technique set Bell Boeing B twenty two Oz pray. For the first time in the company's history, it's going to a model of military. In Chinese things, me deployed gear, and you can't hear it at all. Reason legos cameras. Yes very low. It's a horrible story, but it's with a Chinese accent voiceover who knows the everywhere and he's supposed regular kicked out of this and they must be. Would be. Idiots Edmonton football team discontinued the use of the name Eskimos. Edmonton Eskimos is no more. And a high on the cancel list. And it was, this was very odd, and I was kind of waiting for it to show up. I knew he had done this episode Rogan. Did an interview with the woman who wrote this book. Her name is Abigail Schreier. And the book is a reversible damage. The transgender craze seducing our daughters. Will you can imagine that kicked up some shit. Of course now. Joe Has A. As we say has sheep on dry land. He felt pretty bold. Every every other podcast I understand in. In the La area rejected were afraid to have her on. Would not would not take her to discuss the book. And now men's health men's health. Joe Rogan spreading transphobic hate speech and it's putting lives in danger. And I got those those editors that need to be fired. Yes, yes, and and I have to say. I listened to the whole episode and we've talked about this phenomenon. In what she basically she had, she said do not anti trans. She says of course some her best friends or trans obviously. She says there's an issue right now very similar to putting If you have one or two girls who are believed, make or anorexic, and you have a couple of girls in the group. They get this kind of. Contagion. And then more will become anorexic or mick and she says mass hysteria, and it happens to girls in high school a lot. Yes, so she saying that there is quite. A mass hysteria among girls in high schools were all getting together, and decided to become trans and I got a little clip from the interview. Some sort of if you just step in now and start injecting this body with male hormones. Is GonNa fix all your problems. We had is really popular to do that. It's really popular. These girls are getting it on their own diagnosis so. So, they're just going in and self diagnosing. Nobody questions it. We now have informed consent, which means you walk into planned parenthood? You sign a waiver you decide you have to does for you. Walk out that day with testosterone planned. Parenthood is doing the what's the biggest distributors, so you don't have to have some sort of a long term, some sort of transitional therapy session with. Your breasts removed with no therapist note. WHOA, yeah, so you could be a confused eighteen year old girl. And Walk into a planned parenthood self diagnosing with no therapy at all, and they'll prescribe testosterone, and you can get your breasts removed absolutely signed form. Actually you can't get your breasts removed planned parenthood. She clarified that later, but. That's a very good job blue there. A job made a mistake in his interviewing. Tell me he should use fifteen year olds to eighteen year old to make it more dramatic. Yes. I don't think he was going for drama I. Think he was actually. Shot I know it's a it's a very interesting interview, and it's not and the thing way, yeah. A law passed in California that allows even more of this, so you can go do any. If you're a kid, you could be a twelve year old. Go and give all kinds of stuff done behind your parents back. In The whole interview is worth listening to. Because she says the big problem in this kind of folds back to everything we're talking about is that some parents are seeing this and saying. Oh, man. I. Feel like my daughter. This got to be something. This, this is maybe something. Well, the problem is that they are so afraid. To do anything or say anything or even question it because of this if you as a parent. Say I questioned this boom. You know you might as well move. We might have go live and Tucker Carlson's basement Oh. Yeah, they'll take the kid away. In California I think that's a very distinct possibility. It's just like wow anyway. I thought it was. Cool he put her on. Trying to Yeah, now that should let. Anyone listening to this show. This is the last you'll hear of it. What we or Any of it unless we bring it up again Joe Rogan brings up again. You will not hear you probably right any of this because it's ver-. It's A. I. Don't know why why. He won't hear it, but you won't. Does, because it's against the agenda. He goes against the agenda, does it? Here here's a I was talking with producer. Dave Jones actually helped me with the some of the Marxist stuff We're thinking of. This should be a list perhaps of woke infrastructure. It appears there certain things that are permissible. Because the the Whoever's woke. Per they need it so for instance Joe Rogan if they really hate Joe Rogan for being at. Toby and spreading trance dangerous, transphobic eight. Why are they not going after spotify? And I think the answer is because they use it. Why are they not going after apple? Well? First of all is probably a Chinese angle the stopping them, but I think they use it. There's there are things that the mob uses that somehow become immune for destruction. And I think that's the infrastructural did funny. You bring that up because I've thought about this, too. Which is the the The somebody this happens with cheese. I wish I could Kevin the example right at the top of my head, but I don't, but the examples that were somebody's condemned for something that somebody else has been doing, but there okay yeah yeah. You, know you have this situation. guys per terrible, but he's but. I just put it on. The other side of the extremists take Mel Gibson. To? Always gets work. No matter what he doesn't get in fact, are okay. I was listening to an interview with. One of the famous one of the more famous screenwriters whose I think of his name in a second but he was going on about this on one of the right wing. Talk Show is was I was listening to Driving! And he said that they asked him why. You're still getting work, and you're like a trump supporter. He's yeah, because I. I talked about one of our producers about this because I'm above the fold. I've got I've got lots of Ami's awards and Oscars. Low famous wish gives name. And so I'm part of a I'm part of another list of people that are always employed always employable. I. Don't count I'm not put in the other. I'm not. Well at midnight. Here's here's maybe a bigger example. I understand what you're saying Jeff Bezos on one hand. Amazon. He's used by all these kids. So, they don't go. They don't really go after Amazon. The company and there's plenty of reasons for them to that is certainly if you're talking about Labor situation that'll nuff stories out there. Instead they go after Bezos with and blame him for being rich. Then and I heard one extra millennial would be rich, myself say. Well, he just made thirteen billion dollars in one day so fucked I do cares if they went and Roddy Stars Amazon. Go store and I said. Do you realize that the stock price doesn't actually mean you'd like? Someone dumped a truck of thirteen billion dollars in your in your in your in your wallet doesn't Matter Okay and then why not go after the Washington Post will? That's the truth. They're important. You see so. bezos is problematic. But his actual properties get a super pass. That's infrastructure. It's infrastructure word Super Pass. Okay. We could use one of those ourselves I'm GONNA show little. To know agenda, imagine all the people who could do employees. Yeah, that'd be fun. And we do have a few people to thank and I'm GONNA. Go get a note that's on the desk. And you can skip the first name and read a couple of while I'm doing okay. Jury Feel Nov I believe hundred and twenty eight dollars and I think jury why you are. I Y is I think from Australia? I'll just read. This John's getting in this. One, twenty, eight, this insane history repeats itself been listening to your podcast for at least a couple of months now cannot stop falling into some weird. deja Vu, loop uh-huh. Ninety percent of messages produced by US media outlets can be translated to Russian and you won't be able to tell the difference whether these news our messages coming from modern US or they are one hundred year old, USSR, propaganda. All the best to you gentlemen. You're doing terrific job deconstructing this shit show hope your country won't go the same way. Soviet people went in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventeen. There's some interesting cycles. There isn't there. Yeah. We'll see we're not doing at now. Let's go to Janice all over one hundred sixty dollars from edmonds Washington and she is going to be knighted so I. I think we can read our note and it's in a card on a card and she's got you know Nice. Little, nice writing hopefully, Dale and not knighted. Gold damehood, she yeah, but it's kind of Kinda benighted because she's going to be using the name Dame night. Okay! she talks about some of the things she's been listening to Q.. 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It's true. It's so true. Pro break protests all over the place. A big protests in front of the Massachusetts I guess one of the State House or something be L. am driver's license protests and when it play this up, so I can say something about related news, immigrant families and allies in Boston and been camping outside the Massachusetts State House since Friday. Demanding state legislators include a provision in a racial justice spill that would grant undocumented people the right to get a driver's license. Okay, that's so they could vote. No No. No No. CARE by driving into care about voting. Why would all the allies also known as Democrats be? They're protesting. Apparently, the idiot mayor of Portland one of the dumbest guys. If running any city, major city got gassed I guess last night because he was in one of the protests protesting the. How can you be the mayor protesting? You're the mayor. Go do something you can actually do something when your city official. Who was this? Who is the mayor of FORMICA members name? He's just a doofus. Is Always winding. He's constantly on these joint Ab. ABC Governments Aby. Here's a here's a here's. The pushback clipped Portland pushback. In Portland Oregon, federal agents tear gas protesters, Tuesday night, fifty fifth day of demonstrations in Portland Against Racism and police brutality over the past week, unidentified federal agents have been attacking anti-racist protestors, even snatching activists off the streets and unmarked vans on Tuesday. The US Department of Homeland Security's customs and border protection arm, confirmed a deployed officers from three paramilitary style units to Portland meanwhile a leaked dhs memo. Memo reveals the agency is now conducting domestic surveillance targeting potential threats to federal buildings as well as local statues and monuments in Washington, the White House press secretary claim president trump had the legal right to deploy federal agents, Portland and other cities. Yes, I find this to protect federal buildings. Hello, I find this very. Leave that out by the way. Yeah! Ted Ted Wheeler is the guy's name. Yeah I actually I have a I have a package from CBS News. Not You know from the actual evening news thing Nora was hosting. About these troops, the paramilitary trump ascending in and I wanNA play that to add to the confusion. Nazis after around cheering and rubber bullets fired into the crowd by federal agents is becoming a nightly routine. This unnamed protester says he collected some of the spin ammunition. What was it like when they all came out? There war war, except you can't fire back on your enemy. Portland's federal courthouse has been attacked repeatedly and today. The Department of Homeland Security said they have to protect. Mayors from cities have written the trump administration demanding the president taking action to withdraw your forces among those teargassed Er doctor Sharon Myron who's also a county commissioner. What the trump administration calls anarchy through what we call democracy. Protests! Start out peacefully here every night, and then gradually turn into chaos. The mayor tells me that it's the presence and actions of federal law enforcement agents that have led to an increase in violence and vandalism David. Neutral administration says it sent federal agents to Portland Oregon to defend federal buildings against violent tax mayor there says that escalated the conflict now. Mayors from six major cities are sending this letter to the attorney general blasting that deployment. One of the demands of the protesters is believe it or not. That the mayor resign. One of the one of their top demand, but this mayor is such a dummy. I saw I didn't get the script because there was really nothing to clip, which is basically a lot of smoke in bitch about the Fed's being there, but he's in the crowd protesting himself once he was identified as the Mayor de crowd turned on him yelling at him. Get Outta town. You've got to quit and he had me escorted out probably by the feds, so here's the overall mean. Is. trump has a paramilitary and going in, and it's illegal and his posse Comitatus, and it storm troopers, etc. Madeira and it's really based on one One thing I think I have this clip here. There was one video. I have not found another, but one video of. What was billed as unmarked feds. rousting people off the street throw him in unmarked vans I. Think this is the Clinton. What are you doing? What are you doing? I love this. So the only video that I know exists of so-called rousting protesters and throwing them to unmarked vans. When I watched this video and I encourage everyone to watch this. This has dramatize music hundred so that there's A. Guy Dressed with a helmet, all black with a backpack. And two cops hop out of a van that stops at the intersection sliding door Astro van. I see them signaling to the guy. The Guy stands there. They come up either side. The protesters are saying. Who are you use your words, which is some kind of infantile way of asking someone to speak I dunno USUA- words huge mouth. You'll show words. This guy is not a protester. He put his hands behind his back walks calmly he's. Handcuff him. No Zip tie this was this was an observer. It was a fat who was in there probably. With the forward intelligence or whatever? Protester, who was rousted? But yet you get these kinds of videos. And what are you doing? What are you doing? Your Watch. What are you doing? To use your words. What is going on? We need to know who are you are very penalty? We'll get you out what's. Your. Your Copy of years. Now they're talking to the cops. And the guy near people I said it by themselves as long person, so we don't have to get kidnapped. Feel like we're getting. The basic meam that was sent around their kidnapping people. There's no evidence of that at all, but. Well wait I, did have I did see an interview as a guy who claims to be one of the guys that was thrown into that good good, good good. Where's this? Don't have a clip. What would happen? Okay, because it was interesting I I wish I had the Clinton. I'm sorry. I blew it, but the guy stand there being interviewed by one of the reports. It was I don't know if what what source this came from to be honest MIB democracy now the guy says yeah I was just standing. There wasn't doing anything. I wasn't protesting. They grabbed me and threw me in the van. And this said Oh. Okay well, then what happens uses then they took me over to the police department checked me for weapons, and then they threw me. Kick me out of there. That was it okay so? There are rules for picking people up and I don't know about this guy. I wish we could find that clip. I wish I could because you can't do that, I mean that is gladdened bullcrap anyway. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking is not the same as kidnapping didn't. Disappearing the person exactly so that's the mean, and it's so. Of course it's so would. They are indeed protecting federal buildings, but there is something worrisome. That came out of the pie hole of Chad Wolf. The Acting Department of Homeland. Security and these are his His people who were on the streets. I also think that the the dress code that they're using it just. They could make it look more like police and not like a military. It's very annoying. The way this is done and it's not. It's not actually helping. It's saving the federal buildings and statues, but it's not helping. The narrative would be so easy to make that just a little more clear. What's happening anytime that you attack a federal facility such as a courthouse there in Portland. That is a federal crime. Attacking Federal Police officers law enforcement officers which they have done for fifty two nights in a row is a federal crime agreed and so the department because we don't have that local support that local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrested individuals. Okay, I don't like that. Proactively is like what does that pre-crime pre thought. I mean you can't really do that. So that's what's happening. I'm against it otherwise. Gas those babies. Whole is I think he's just this guy. He's just misusing the word proactiv. Okay, that's why I said I'm not sure but. He shouldn't be acting anything if he can't get his story straight. It's important because this is the doing something here and it's creating a lot of crap in the trump. fucking it up. Really is not doing a good job with this that local law enforcement support we are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals and we need to do that because we need to hold accountable this idea that they can attack federal property in. In law, enforcement officers and go to the other side of the street and say you can't touch me is ridiculous. We don't do that. In any other type of law enforcement, we pursue criminal. We investigate We pulled them over. If you have probable cause, we arrest them, we charge them and we prosecute them, and you need to hold individuals accountable and we don't do that. I think we get what we see in Portland today. I'm pretty sure it's played by the book. I just think the again. The way it's being All the whole of government doesn't bother me in the least I don't know how you can be. Maybe trump is screwing it up as far as I'm concerned. I think it's great. That Portland situation is completely out of control of its state list. It has no government. Be Please don't mistake me thinking that it's good that you have to rouse these kids just as a way to do it and I'm tired I mean I have to go through all the reporting crap because it sounds like eating. A sending stormtroopers I know it's bullcrap, but it's. It's not helpful to anybody. Of course what really needs to happen? These cities needs to go stew in their own juice. Screw them. They did the promises federal property does have to be protected, which which is being done, but trump now he desperately wants these mayors to say. Help me help me. They're not going to do it and should stop and let it burn it to the ground, but don't give him money in the bailout coming up. and. That's what. Valley while he's Portland is definitely going to be trashed. It was. This place has been trashed for the past three four years. It's. People are camping in every single park. Which is ridden with crime and drugs. It's a really bad scene in Portland. This is not just a mea. The past fifty fifty days has been bad the whole thing. I. Don't know what's going to happen, but a couple of you guys protecting federal buildings not going to stop this. I. Don't think so either, but the mayor's not gonNA stop. Things indicated defunding police. Won't just you know they which they'd done in Minnesota was how that works. I I. Don't know I find the whole thing to be happy. Amusing because of this specific cities involved cheap brunette reporters mentioned I. think it was five mayors in the five years are all democrats. They're all radicalized Democrats, and they somehow became mayors. In cities like Seattle which have been radicalized at all levels, I, mean the in San Francisco's the same way where you have a a district attorney who was supposed to prosecute the crimes, as it would send the law and order show and he's. Still at. Anything under a thousand dollars. They won't even bother with shoplifting is rampant. Right. While San Francisco, San Francisco's. San Francisco Seattle the West Coast towns. New, York. La. It's like never been manageable. So who knows what's going on? Their New York is bad. New York is terrible. Yeah. Austin's been pretty good. Though I mean, we're not that big willie million people all the way through. San, Francisco's got less than a million. Really now. Eight hundred thousand I believe. Wow, such a mess. Yes a little bitty town. There's no cleaning it up. Unless of course we elect as president. Well. He's not GonNa Clean Up San Francisco. My Gosh poor guy. Being wreck now. Be followed any of it of his follow a couple of teams. They're going after him for his comments about tub men for one thing. I mean he did this. He did A. A campaign rally, which was a huge wreck. I mean he didn't even have an a Mike. He was wearing a security flack jacket. I understand when the. Rem is so reminiscent of trump. Stuff comes out of his mouth like what? Like these kind of Puke ish type sentences of stuff, and then you know if you really think about it. He's saying something pretty good actually. It's so easy to I mean now. It's whole families saying who's having a bipolar episode. Even. Kim Kim posting a whole thing on instagram. Say how he's going to please if you know what it's like, he needs love now. But. He's He's still pushing it. We'll see he's definitely he's getting attention. Which I think is is the key to this. Are He yeah, and he has got a new album. Apparently, it's GonNa be released shortly. I'm sorry it's going to be dropped. You gotta say it right. So, let's listen to this. This is an interesting visit. Covert does wanting. That's being reported a lot on around the country, but did, but they're not real. It's like nobody's really making a fuss about it and I I'm amused as Hell Bite especially here at San Quentin, where we have a cova dot break and pretty much the guys that are on death row the worst of the worst guys. They're dropping like flies, and they talk about it, but nobody's really to ill, you know if anybody should be dying, it should be that guy and I it's it's so. There's mixed emotions about these prisoners in. San Quentin the big Q. That are dying. This is the San Quentin report from democracy now. San San. Covert Cove inchoate. One of the cove eclipse. Got It. California the Corona virus death toll at San Quentin, state prison has now reached twelve more than two thousand men held at the person have tested positive and one of the nation's worst outbreaks in Texas. More than five hundred women jailed at a federal medical prison, and Fort Worth have tested positive for corona virus, including National Security Agency whistle. Reality Winter. Winner. Funny Flab. Yeah well, that brought out the the ice. Oh, I have suggested for today show which is at the bottom of the list called winner winner. I'll take it. It's good. It's good. I believe the WHO's the porn lawyer. Stormy Daniels lawyer. Oh Yeah. That guy I forgot his name. Already I think he's. He's suing to get out of jail because you know his corona danger and he's saying trump wants them wants to kill him. Does, WANNA kill every much. Very do about that various of Nadi. That's the guy's name. Michael Avi Nadi now. Yeah, the gay that all. We had that clip blitz with that guy. All the clips him always going to be the next president ensure in MSNBC. Was All your so grey to get was a criminal i. Kind of. Know that kind of he's in jail. For? Yes. Oh Wow, the ACLU is now carrying his case. The ACLU? We are suing the federal government for imprisoning. That's Michael. Cohen I'm sorry that's not. That's Cohen. That's good to. Michael Cohen. But that's not for not for covert. That's for publishing a book. Brother. Whatever Aclu Man, what are they? What are they up to? I used to? Plot. Used to support him no more no more. All right let's see. I don't really have. Anything specific other than. can push the OT G to Sunday. 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All this talk of protests got got me reminiscing about the old trespass of twelve arrests outside of the jail here in keene new hampshire after many years of protests at the old jail when they built that new jail. I guess they made a decision. They were going to crack down on us because the the way they handled us changed completely and it's the same group rupa bureaucrats. Did it stop. I'm curious did any of that. Those arrests actually stop you guys from going in circling the jalen protests in yeah okay. There's they certainly did interesting. Nobody really wanted to go do that. Toll i would want to do it again and again and again just to show that we're not gonna stop throw us us in jail that just gives into the system and it encourages them to continue to abuse you. The problem is you run out of money you fight and activists. Well you know i was i was completely destitute by the time i was done with <hes> with activism or that kind of activism and i've never recovered yeah. It's certainly it's no. There's no doubt in my i mind that is a challenge to especially especially even if you're willing to do it getting other people's to continue to do it and tobacco you up because you do people back up and they are willing to throw people in jail and i i think they also changed the sign edge to if i recall correctly the sign of the jail became more restrictive as well as far as like areas that you can't go to that weren't clear previously became more clear. Where'd you guys circling the gel so you weren't even on the pre around the jail probably a property but yeah the difference no cited jr. Okay okay gotcha yeah right after the trespass of twelve arrests happened. If i recall correctly anyway a lot of that is probably still on youtube as far as the trials and that that kind of thing but the the interesting thing. I told you during the break but i want to rely on the air was that <hes> <hes> nobody you got off the charges because you guys showed up late so they couldn't prove that you've received the the the notice which they really couldn't prove any of us either but we were definitely there at the time proved that we did not receive the notice we even there when it was given <hes> but what happened was there were like still more than half a dozen people that went went to trial on this and only one in person was found not guilty everybody else got convicted and we were all convicted by the same judge but the one person who was found not guilty was conveyed was found not guilty by a different judge who happened to have the case in that one day right like the normal judge had a night offer or a day or was on vacation when this other guys is trial happened so he got the sort of the alternate fill in judge so that's that was particularly interesting because normally when it comes to court you never get to compare apples to apples bulls. You never get to really like you. Don't know what would happen if you approached your case in a different way. You don't know what would happen if you had a different attorney. You don't know what would happen if if you had a different judge except in this case because all the facts were exactly the same. We were all in the same group. The man gave the notice to the group and so the only only thing that changed between the cases was the the man wearing the robe. All the difference very much reminds me of the situation of even when you're right right okay even when it's one hundred percents clear as day that you right in the law right in this particular case might be true but even it's clear the system is biased. The judges are biased so you really even when you're hundred right you only fifty fifty chance god forbid if you're not right yeah you know we know also didn't have an attorney right so like <hes>. You've had some success recently gordon. I don't know how you can talk about but <hes>. If you wanna talk about it we can but you had some success. You hired a professional you. You know who obviously knows the system a heck of a lot better than us average activists who we have experience in the courtroom doesn't mean that we're good at it necessarily as as far as knowing all the ins and outs and so that's probably one of the reasons why we got slaughtered yeah yeah and like what i was saying fifty fifty. I'm talking about with a layer not without yeah right. Let me just clarify. Thanks for that yeah yeah. <hes> did you wanna say anything about your your status quite yet okay. We're we can say the charges. Charges were dropped. The charges were certainly got arrested crossing the street. I was there. I got it on video. This was in manchester because again the only recent arrests in manchester. There have been a keen activists jerem jeremy. That's true yeah. That's true. That's true yeah. That's true but you you tried crossing the street during a d._u._i. Checkpoint you're trying to get a better angle or whatever with your camera and you ended up getting an angle of screaming <hes> frothing cop yelling at you. Did you ever get that footage back by the way yeah i did get the footage bag. I don't know if that ever got released. I i don't think so consider when you're ready to talk about all the details on <hes> there's thursday the reason the reason we talk about it is even though the case has been settled negotiations uh-huh right it's or yeah the case with the criminal case was dropped but the civil lawsuit against the manchester police department. I just said it was settled so that no i can't say i can't say it was said okay so you're taking talking about the <music> framing i misspoke criminal but as far as the civil aspects of it that is still being negotiated <hes> <hes> i can't say i don't want to say anything more than it's not done. Yet is what you're saying. I don't have a check. Let's put it that way so until i check my mouth is and you you may or may not be able to say how much the check is worth i mean i don't know if the deal is kiss. I don't think it matters and i think i'm not going to say it not for more of a principled reason and then you know because i don't think i think it's irrelevant i think i don't think it's really interesting because it gives some idea of what people can expect like when i got a uh when i got arrested in in town hall in palmer massachusetts and that went to the a._c._l._u. of massachusetts picked up that case. I got a five thousand dollar. Check out of that and i was in a in a jail cell for a few hours there in palmer so you know five grand for a few hours time. That's not terrible. It's not bad yeah. Maybe maybe i'll have to think about it. I mean if you can walk away with fifty then. You know that's even better right. You didn't do a night in jail right. We got to a night in jail and i i don't wanna go into it. At this point. You had the hassle of having to deal with court stress shirt and that's worth you know that's worth something is it is i think i think it's more you know what evidence is is more important than you know the the mount mount it doesn't to me doesn't i don't care what it is but i know you don't care and i didn't either but it's something to be said and it's nice if you could afford to buy a new camera right like with the only people when judgments are the ones who can say. I don't care about the money. I thought why did civil suit had nothing to do. I mean look. It's not worth pursuing assuming well. Maybe it could be in some cases but let's let's put it this way. It's not necessarily worth my time and energy. I mean this is. We're talking about multiple years now. Going on justice is slow ars. He's been two years so at least two years so you know the whole justice. System is so slow and the amount of time and energy you put into it. It's not necessarily sir. I mean it's not worth it. I mean it's it's worth it from an activist perspective but it certainly i'm not saying that it's not going to be beneficial to some people more than others. I financially but i wouldn't into activism for the money you know. Put it that way. No there's not much money in activists yeah yeah as many people have discovered the hard way. I think that much starvation in activists. I was more interested in bringing a lawsuit to make a point. No i totally agree with you know that said the attorneys. Gotta get paid right right and that's what that money usually goes to a good chunk of. It usually goes out goes i would be i am. I be satisfied with a basically any settlement and ideally covering the costs of the lawsuit and the criminal case. I think that's what's the you can't get into activism expecting to make money now. That's not to say that. Activism can't bring some funds in but it's pretty rare that that will it'll be like enough to live on <hes> free. Talk live is managed to do something different because we're doing a radio show broadcast radio show that has the opportunity due to monetize but even then it's still not bringing in like a an s. load of radio yeah. There's not a whole lot of money radio. I think something else to point out is that it's it's not just that you shouldn't try to make money off of activism. I think you should especially when you're going to be using it to put that money back into activism but i think that feed yourself every right like no no that's fine but i don't necessarily every step that you take is the most beneficial outcome is basically to profit sometimes. You're you're better off doing activism for publicity reasons or to get more people on your cause or to you know absolutely in the mood in hampshire or we should not be doing activism if your motivation is to get rich etched because you're going to fail and people are going to see that if they if they feel like you're out there just trying to girls who got rich by doing activism. We'll good for them. I mean i mean if you're if you're if you're a female and you're relatively attractive. You have a whole lot more options generally in in in life than the average. I honestly am more interested in seeing more court. Cases more wins more just publicity from that perspective for people. That stuff is happening here. 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These procedures have just gone too far. Let's take a look at a disturbing cell phone video. That's been making the rounds on the internet. Shop the transfer in your head come on man. They just two bucks. Go come on man. I didn't do let me kiss you. Look the cops can either people now before there's violence or they can be kissing a bunch of the dead bodies at a crime scene. The onion news network free talk. It's free talk live. You can bring up whatever you want here. Our toll free number is eighty. The five four hundred fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three with you tonight. It's ian nobody and chris. You can bring up anything that you want. <hes> we're going to talk about the f._b._i. And a list of known terrorists that apparently actually been ruled unconstitutional plus coming up facebook leaks out a whole bunch of other phone numbers. Apparently we'll tell you more about that and actually just got an interesting thread from a listener of ours. Who's is a free talk. Live amplifier named leah. She sent this in as a potential show. Topic <hes> nobody have you ever heard of dana larsen before no <hes> <hes> so this person is fairly i. I've heard the name previously i think he's probably more well known in the canadian cannabis legalization seen anyway anyway. He's got himself a twitter thread on the myth of cannabis potency. We've heard in recent weeks the u._s. Surgeon general has come out against cannabis against legalisation. <hes> has trotted out the old claim of quotes. This ain't your your mother's marijuana not enough. People know that today's marijuana is far more than in days past. This is a recent quote from in u._s. Surgeon general dr jerome adams. What does that imply. I mean obviously that implies that it's more dangerous but where's the evidence is more ordine. The action of cannabis what it implies is that people are the same amount of high with a higher blood blood t._h._c. level. It suggests you don't need as much to get get to that point. <hes> either they smoke less or they develop a tolerance for more so in the long run. It doesn't matter because i'm the long run you're only really high. When you're higher than usual you know you kind of establish baseline and with stronger we'd well that baseline is is the fallacy. I think thinking this is it. You don't actually if it's not killing people right. Where is the danger in getting more high than like being less like where is the danger like. I i don't i don't see it. There is no danger. You may go to sleep sooner. That's about it right right like i. I'm not quite sure heavy machinery do you no good it just it. It just seems to be very manipulative. In terms of totally right of <hes> you know the steam and its implication what you might think is. It's more dangerous but that's not really really necessarily the case it is. I want to see evidence of that. What he does here is actually he goes back in time and he looked so twitter's limited in the number of characters doctors two hundred and eighty. I think is what you can post so. He does a thread where he posts multiple times so there's the first post is from today not today but you know with the last month where this current u._s. Surgeon general jerome adams makes the claim so in his expos he says all right sounds like the weed they smoke back in the nineties must have been pretty weak. Let's see they were saying about marijuana potency at the time in one thousand nine hundred five u._s. drug czar. Lee brown told the media that quote marijuana is forty times more or potent today than ten fifteen twenty years ago then here's what joe biden then senate judiciary committee chair had to say nineteen ninety-six about how strong marijuana had become quote. It's like comparing buckshot in a shotgun shell to a laser guided missile us joe biden heiden. That's my favorite strain is ways guided. How does he know the net the name of that straight exact marksman himself the next one so the nineteen eighties cannabis must have been pretty weak then let's see quote from the national institute of drug abuse from nineteen eighty-six quote in the potency of marijuana has increased sevenfold in the past eleven years smoking one marijuana cigarette now is equivalent to smoking seven cigarettes nine in order ten years ago so basically it's getting better. The quality of the product is getting better probably yeah. That's not necessarily false overtime but it's not like what they're saying. It also reminds me of is the better the better when you're when you're talking about weed right the less other other crap that you've put it is the healthier it's going to get for you right theoretically less of one other crap and whatever other ingredients that they're adding in other words than we'd we'd okay so they teach these levels getting higher but they're doing is they're breeding. I was assuming that they're they're degrading quality of it. When when you say what you actually get in the product no increased level in the plant is actually getting higher. The quality is increasing not by the factors that they claim away but there are certainly more t._h._c. in modern we'd and also you <hes> people now almost exclusively smoke. Oh quote we used to call haiti's and you don't see low quality weed on the market anymore at all it's pretty much and that has has to do with growers combining strains and being able to grow in controlled conditions and learning more about how to you know better grow weed without pets <hes> <hes> or without <hes> diseases taking over crops and so there's you know there's things have gotten better. Especially as legalization has come in and <hes> and allowed allowed for more above ground grows more development of that of history but let's go on. There's more quotes because again they keep talking about how potent every decade they're claiming how much more potent is so. Let's let's go back in time further again. We were in the eighties there now. We go back to the nineteen seventies so he says do this again. Dana larsen at dana larsen on and that's l. e. r. s. d._n._a. D._n._a. d._n._a. Dana larsen anyway so if the cannabis now is three times stronger than the stuff in the nineties which was forty times stronger than the stuff in the eighties which was seven times stronger than the stuff in nineteen seventy-five well then we can only assume that the weed in the seventies was pretty weak in one thousand nine hundred seventy five. They said we'd was twenty. Times stronger than the nineteen sixties sixties quote the grass kids are buying in the school yard parking lot for ten dollars. A lid is not what it used to be the potency of the jamaican colombian variety hideous fifteen to twenty times stronger than our nine thousand nine hundred sixties variety that a quote from paul harvey who was a columnist at the time but i i suspect that's the the infamous radio paul harvey and then finally infamous for not infamous famous. I guess probably okay number seven. Here's the link link to an article in the guy who said let me tell you the rest of the story right that's in <hes> and then he actually links to the article that he got that quote from he says going on if we take take all this at face value then compared to the canvas of the nineteen sixties our modern we'd is about three times forty times seven times fifteen times stronger which makes one modern joint equivalent to twelve thousand six hundred out of the nineteen sixties variety meanwhile in the nineteen one thousand nine hundred fifty s they were reporting that a puff from cannabis cigarette could drive people to insanity and murder and up compared cannabis to heroin potent z. They were they were. They flew into a murderous rage was so bad bad. Maybe there's some traffic the thing that they were suggesting. I don't think so. I don't think so yeah i gotta get handed to this guy and that was one of the most those well-researched brilliant short things that one could read about the the lies just the absolute lies being told by the prohibitionists over decades that cades the same lie told her and over and over again so anyway that just wanted to share. Thank you leah for sending that in here here tonight. Let's change gears and get to something that is pretty serious issue terrorism. We talked a little bit about terrorism last night pointing <music> out that anything that has done that essentially uses violence to achieve political goals is is terror. That's what the government gang does. They do it all the time and they're constantly involved in creating terrorism but i suspect they were not on their own list of terrorist. The f._b._i. Was not listing themselves whereas not on the list. So what's the news stories from reason and it's it's basically now. The title is a little misleading. It's it's not that the list itself has has been rolling constitutional but certainly <hes> various aspects of it have been rolling constitutional which kind of undermines the list now. I'm sure they're going to get into it but is this the <hes> much ballyhooed terrorist watch list that they had the airport at the no fly list the no fly list just wanted to make sure they have more than one of these ladies they have lots of lists and this is the one that most of this. I'm on boy and how would you find that out yeah wouldn't be able to do. We're gonna get into what happened here. <hes> coming up from reason dot com also your calls and thoughts are welcome. Our toll free number's eight fifty five four fifty free plus facebook once again as lost track of your data if you're we're on facebook if you're not well. You've probably avoided this and we'll tell you more about it. Coming up eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. You can join us here on free talk live. 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How long long as occurred and how long this has been going on how many people have been affected and been told a we're sorry mr habib. You can't fly today because you have the same name as somebody who we think is a terrorist. I mean this literally stopped some people from flop many people from flying for twenty years right. That's how long it's taken to get this basically change the the system. You know wow so. What are they doing. What's new so what's new. I'll let me start a little bit and they'll say so. We may not us here. We may finally be seeing an end to george w. Bush era security theater and voted embodied in f._b._i.'s abysmally flawed terrorist. I watch list on wednesday so it's non violent or no fly list on wednesday. A federal judge ruled that the official terrorist screening database so the the same thing that has grown to more than one million known or suspected terrorists including thousands of american citizens was unconstitutional. Now that's a summary marie <hes> but <hes> it's <hes> let me go into a little bit more. There is no evidence contention that any of these plaintiffs satisfied the definition of a known the terrorists wrote judge anthony trend of the district court for the eastern district of virginia so somebody found some of the people i mean whichever organization position i j or whoever took this case <hes> found some of these people who'd been denied access to flying yeah and they said we're suing and they you know these folks put these themselves in front of this judge. The judge looked looked into their history or whatever and it's like yeah. These people shouldn't have been on this list. There's no reason why should have been on this list. This list scrap yet basically there twenty-three people involved <hes> that that basically in this lawsuit <hes> his decision echoes what civil liberties groups muslim americans libertarians and others have been saying being for nearly two decades an individual's place into the database does not require any evidence that the person engaged in criminal activity even suspicion suspicion right right not only. It's not just criminal activity but it's supposed to be for terrorism which criminal activity is not terrorism but this can be in some circumstances committed a crime crime or will commit a crime or will commit a crime or we'll commit a crime well. That's an interesting claim in the future. The judge pointed out. There's no evidence that they have will commit a crime. I thought he was saying that. That's one of the things they could do is put somebody in the database. They think they will commit a crime. No that that is well that that's based is i mean people are put in that on less the nat something that there that you know their friend on social media posted and maybe they hit lo que yeah they're putting people into this based on associations and things of the writer so there's no reason to believe that these people don't even know of anything yeah gonna come in and cry like there's no basis support. The judge to his credit is acknowledging that with rare the brawny years later twenty years later justice. This is slow and it's easier for them to pass these laws than it is for them to throw them out just as especially slow when you live under government. It's devoted right right. Yeah i mean it's true. It's true they can just go and pass another law that does the same thing and it'll be another twenty years before it gets right and that's the thing i want to don't take the devil's advocate position here is like oh. Let's see guys this proves. The government works. Yeah it took him a little while. It took a little while but they're made they made the right decisions. Nations thousands of people had to be inconvenienced million plus people on the list but you know you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. It's the best system we have in the whole world you you know this is this reminds me of the child online protection act or something of that nature that it took like five times five or six times. The government has basically passed this law and i don't i don't even know what the what it had to do with but it's like this blatantly unconstitutional law and five or six times like the supreme court threw it out and basically kept doing changes the made little the changes to the law in numerous times and they basically just kept passing punishment to them. There's no punishment for them to pass it again and again and again so they just kind of choir. Five five people five different people to sit in prison. Well well was debated. I don't really remember the details. I just remember usually if it gets to the supreme court. Somebody's in prison is an over it yeah i i suspect probably and i don't really remember what the child online protection act it. I don't know if it outlawed porn online or what the heck it exactly but it was something stupid like that and and yeah and basically they just kept throwing it out again and again and again because congress kept passing the same thing again and again and again with little to no change and in in some cases. I don't think there was any changes. It doesn't even just happen just a congress at the u._s. Congress level it happens at the state and the lowest level as well. We've seen the city council in keene new new hampshire little town of twenty three thousand people <hes> where they passed a law or an ordinance. I guess correct term. They passed an ordinance right against against the so-called synthetic marijuana or synthetic drugs. Which were you know this bad bad stuff and arguably. It's not that great but they what they did was. They actually acknowledged publicly. The the city attorney told them yeah if somebody challenges this. It's probably going to get thrown out because in new hampshire we have. What's called a non home rule. There's no home rule in new hampshire and what that means is the cities and towns can only pass ordinances ordinances that they are expressly authorized by legislation at the state level to pass so the state level legislators have to say okay. If you you wanna ban knives you can ban knives. They haven't said that there are no knife bans in in new hampshire but they wouldn't be able to ban knives unless the the state government said you can't so it makes sense. That's what home rule is right so we don't have it here but they went ahead and passed the ban on the synthetic drugs anyway and the city attorney tells them openly in public meeting eating. If somebody takes us to court it's probably going to get overturned and they went ahead and passed it anyway. You know one of the things that really bothers me. About this sort of thing is it probably you'll lose the district strict level like at the low level and so you'll have to appeal it and then you'll have to feel it again a lot of money through the nose to get through this. I wonder if it was i j. Does it say in the story who took this. Sir took this case on who the attorneys were going to the supreme court of new hampshire cost sixteen thousand we'll get into that spreads me and you lost eight fifty five four fifty the free like freedom. You can bring what you want. Free talk live. What is it costing you in vet bills for that convenience of just pulling open a bag of formulated extruded process assis- cereal bits that cross a ton of money anyway. How do you feed your dog to derive not only energy but a good coat bright eyes and a great attitude for help eno v. I t. e. dot com. 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That's eight five five four five zero. <hes> three seven three three were once again talking about the security theater and <hes> we're talking about specifically the security theater found at airports specifically specifically in this case the no fly list which for a long time made headlines in the united states where people who had had no criminal history whatsoever like like a nun or something like that i recall there is at least one story involving none <hes> getting caught up on these no fly fly list because they had the same name as somebody who the government believed had some sort of criminal criminal terrorism potential potential and or history or alleged connections and just having the same name was enough to get you told can't fly and this this is why two year olds were on the list exactly so there was a lot of upset about those two year. Olds are pretty sketchy. I know right. Some of them can be terrorists. I will say this through at this point at this point. Some of them are adults. Oh yeah they'll be probably twenty two years old at this point. I'm not quite two thousand one was when okay so we'll have to wait to tour not quite to twenty years but adults at least there's i mean there's kids born <hes>. There's the kids joining the military. Today in many cases weren't even alive. I at that at that time so you've got the story here <hes> chris from tango dot com. That's your website by the way to go. Check out there. Also freedom decrypted <hes> dot com a show that the both of you who host on saturday afternoons yes. That's five to eight ish now p._m. Eastern time p._m. Eastern time you can check out the show by watch live is a video show <hes> and then you can also download a podcast version as well. It's like a libertarian tech show. It is libertarian talk. Show we cover <hes> basically a lot of the same stuff on as we do on free talk live but <hes> we more especially go into more technical issues <hes> as well we tend to we tend to lean that direction on friday nights because you guys guys are here right right and so it's perfect night to talk about things like facebook losing a bunch of people who don't know about tackle the people who are going to be home on friday night. It's true that's very true. Why would the people who don't know about tech be home on friday. I'm saying people who know about tax. I guess this much true all right so there was a court case federal court judge said this is unconstitutional or at the very least having these people people on the list is unconstitutional. I'm not really clear on exactly what it's a due process issue. It was what it is and they were added to the list without any knowledge or process civility yeah so these people are told that they're on the list until their late or refused to they're. They're basically told they can't fly today. You won't be able to fly today but they're not told that they're on the list even though they're not told why they can't fly right you're not apply. They can't even tell them that. They're not even being told they're on the low last you just ridiculous. You're just told you can't fly doc or something to that effect when you flash at the airport when you show up to you know don't fly. I hate that. I wonder how many times that happens before you just give give up on flying and he's like why obvious when when they won't tell you what it why why you can't fly it's kind of obvious you're on a low fly list right like i would think it's obvious but maybe it's not obvious to everybody theoretically if it was some other reason it had nothing to do with you being if it was if you weren't on the no-fly oh fight list denying you the ability to fight for some other reason they'd be able to tell you so you can come to conclude that you must be on the news about it. I mean not everybody about the people in the world are dumber than average. That's true yeah so let's see here so these were all muslims that were were involved in this trend noted that the list restricts their ability to fly in engage in everyday activities he's and backed the plaintiffs concerns that they were flagged secretly and without clear methodology -nology we see reports the washington post <hes> the plaintiffs were represented by the council of american islamic relations. Okay okay so so was not who you thought it was. <hes> who's executive director niyad award said that the secret of watchlist has actually been a muslim registry created in in the wake of the widespread islamaphobia of the early two thousands a muslim registry okay. That's an interesting perspective to look at it as if it's only or in mostly affecting muslims than yeah if that was the intention. Maybe it was the intention. He's probably also includes <hes> so i i think mostly why it was affecting muslim. It was mostly muslims names on the list but that doesn't necessarily mean that somebody who's not muslim council yeah quitting also be affected car has a half dozen other cases pending in federal courts across the country and this opinion all pave the way for our continued victories. I hope so yeah as you said. This was. Just federal district court like the lowest <hes> federal court basically <hes>. Let's say the supreme court at the top. Oh was that the supreme court. It was a supreme court but i mean we're talking about one judge. I don't think you may have statement about any <hes> you you. You didn't make vote on wednesday a federal judge it didn't. That's got to be a district court. Judge not even in the supreme court yeah so this is an early victory for the the watchlist presumably presumably sorry twenty years in we've got an initial victory the lowest possible level presumably the department of homeland security the t._s._a. Whoever it is it was ready. Take you know justice department representing the governments <hes> goons side. They're going to likely appeal this yeah and it's going to go up to the court of appeals and then it can go up to the supreme court so go ahead and block in another decade on this before we actually find out what the court i have. I have a quote here. The perfect car will continue to fight until the the full scope of the government's shadowy watchlist activities as disclose to the american public ice. Let's see a key argument by many who are advocating for getting rid of section thirty is that various internet platforms need to take more responsibility or have some sort of do you wait a minute. No i think it's i'm sorry that's ended the story. Yeah that's all right. I thought there was a little bit more interesting nonetheless and like i said you know get ready for another decade of waiting at the very least probably five more years before this could possibly make get to the supreme court yeah. I have to wonder if it's if they're i wonder if they're going to you know kinda. You kind of wonder what points can have what what is going to happen at this point like are they continue to be able to use this list or they have to stop using this list until they get a you know a different rolling. I would think that's a good question that would require. I think an injunction rights against the list. I know how about how the courts were gleeful would require an in injunction and then the government could ask for a stay of the injunction nine while they're appealing because that presumes are going to appeal so it's probably true that they're going to appeal if they didn't appeal then presumably they'd have to stop using the list but if they file filed their intention to appeal then that should stay the judgement i would think and that's why the the the the plaintiffs would have to file for an injunction to say well. Let's needs the employee. Maybe that's something that depends on the judge because you can you can have the judge keep the <hes>. I think he has the authority to to either. Stay his own order or not stay his own order and that's kind of a <hes> an indicator of how important he thinks it is. Maybe another other you know maybe forty some time. Some of these two year olds are forty or fifty. They'll be able to fly seriously system. This is how messed up our system is. That's awful awful. The toll free number if you wanna join us maybe you've had an experience with airline. Security are specifically t._s._a. On airline security but t._s._a. Agents telling you that you couldn't fly and you know keeping quiet as to what the reasons were for a few years back. I was on some kind of list. It wasn't a no fly. It was a extra extra screening list where every time i was in this it only lasted for like a year and it was after one of my arrests in keene area. I'd had a misdemeanor on my record and so they started to do secondary screenings secondary tertiary screenings so like you've got the the t._s._a. Checkpoint right and they can kind of send you over for more close screening at the t._s._a. Checkpoint but what they were doing was to to t._s._a. Agents would show up at the gate as they were letting people into the plane and they set up a special table to search certain people purportedly randomly getting all either. I i had not seen it either but it happened to me more than that's targeted. That's yup. Absolutely the toll free number here is eighty five four fifty free and somebody took somebody had called because i talked about on the air and he called to confirm that this is the thing that they do like. If you've got a fresh conviction they might just put you on the other list of we're going to give you extra scrutiny name more on the way here eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom free talk. 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He's gone to become an amplifier gold level which means he's doing ten bucks a month so thank hugh jared for that and you can amp dot freetalklive dot com you can sign up with paypal or credit card or bitcoin b._t._c. so in related news to what you brought in here tonight chris and we also were we talked a little bit about social media this sort of ties into both of those zach whitaker over at tech crunch reporting that apparently travelers are being denied entry into the united states so at the international border based on on what other people have posted on social media travelers are being held denied entry according to tech crunch as border officials <unk> hold them accountable for messages images and video on their devices sent by other people. It's a bizarre set of circumstances that has seen countless. <hes> numbers of foreign nationals rejected from the united states after friends family or even strangers send messages images or videos over social media sites like facebook or twitter and encrypted messaging apps like whatsapp which are then downloaded the travelers phone latest case saw palestinian national living in lebanon and and would-be harvard freshman denied entry to the united states just before the start of his school year immigration. I think they've sensory the reverse themselves themselves on that <hes> what really date on the article <hes> pretty recent august twenty seventh so just over a week ago okay yeah i think i think he is actually arrived david harvard now okay check well. That's good news but that's probably because he got some press. Attention happens all the time. I mean when you're when you're a harvard ever graduate or not harvard graduate harvard student right. You're going to be able to get a little bit of lee right ivy lee i mean that's ivy. League league is one of the top of it is gonna go to bat for you and right right place and then you're also talking about one of the top seven schools in the united eight states. Yeah i mean there are some of the top schools in the world so you're yeah i mean nobody else is gonna get me if you're going to some other school in the united states. You're not at the kind of treatment integration officers at boston. Logan international airport are said to have question is male wahi a we ate seventeen for his religion legend and religious practices. He told the school newspaper the harvard crimson the officers who searched his phone and computer reportedly took issue with his friends social media activity so you know we've talked before and there's more to the story here on get into it but we've talked before about these border searches where if you have a electronic device they are authorized to either. Take it from you physically and keep it or have you put in the password to give them access to the device then they search it. Sometimes they'll do it in front of you. Sometimes they'll do it in secret and <hes> <hes> then they'll give it back to you if they don't have something to arrest you. There's there's nothing that <hes> <hes> they don't have any kind of authority to force you to enter the password. They haven't authorities. Take the laptop topped said it's either or i could make that might make somebody think they can force you okay. Thank you for clarifying. That's what i want to make clear. I want people to make sure that they refused to under understand that your laptop or your devices can be taken but go ahead and refuse. I would and i certainly am definitely you can afford to buy another laptop. You hundred laptops the typical understandably but it's still something. If you have the money you should do it. I would encourage people to do it. Well i mean courage people to fedex that <unk> home fedex at home. That would be a way to save some money for sure. They're not going to be able to search it. It's going through the mail channels basically <hes> and and that's one option right to to go to the place where you're going because they they are not going to search you likely on the way out of the united states. I've not heard of that happening. Blessing it'd be impossible <hes> but it <hes> usually from what other country that does the searching right usually you don't see customs until you come back and the other option. Nobody buddy is to prepare for the search meaning. This is what i've done because they've done this to me and i knew they could do it right. So what you can do is you can kind of sanitize your device right and look. I'm not saying you've got something illegal on your computer but what we're finding out here. Is that something someone someone said to. You can be enough reason for them to deny you access to the united states so even though you think i don't have anything to hide. You may actually have something into high that you didn't know you. You know you had to hide. It might have just been a conversation with your mother or you know somebody online who's a critic of the government or whatever and if they see that as their pawing through all your stuff what if they see free talk live podcast down voted. I don't know who knows what's going to set them off and there's another arisen. You shouldn't give them your password because once they once you give them your password they can also plant something on you and laptop that can then be proo proof that it was you who <hes> you know it was you who created that evidence. Are you know it's it's tied you right. You can't deny it at that point but what you can deny but the they're going to say that the fact that you had the password is evidence that it you know it was if they're manufacturing evidence against you. You've got a real tough time. Sure sure you do but <hes> <hes> you know something. That's encrypted is a little bit harder to make the claim. You know what you're saying is if you can supply the password that proves that the devices vices right as opposed if there's one of the system. There's nothing to prove that it's your in your possession. It was in your possession right but it's still it's still going to be from a lawyer's perspective. It's going to be easier to defend somebody who has a laptop that doesn't have any passwords on it from having an encryption on it and dan supply the password. I'm actually surprised there hasn't been like a lennox distribution that has actually looked at this issue and said okay well. We'll just do one of those sort of second level encryption. Things and i don't know what the actual term for this is that we don't talk about that on the air dominant talk about kidding. It's not a secret to people that know about encryption stuff but if you have an encrypted drive encrypted folder or whatever in some some encryption programs will allow you to have like the dummy version of your under gunpoint kind of put in a password that's not really the the real password and get you into an area that isn't encrypted area that you could have like some files that you don't care if the government fines but if you put in those lille copy of the constitution and india but if you put in the real password password then you get into your actual files so when you're forced to put in a password or you're put under threat dress and coercion or whatever to put in a password you put in kind of the government goon dummy password and it only lets you into a very limited operating system with like just a web browser and you know the constitution as the the homepage or whatever ever does that not exist how come they haven't done this yet because lennox would be perfect place right. I mean actually prevents them from gaining access to the data. If you have something that you don't want them to access i mean in the united states at least this'll work you can simply deny them access if sure but then you lose the lab <hes> so if you just pay two thousand dollars for a laptop or a thousand bucks 'cause laptops. Decent ones aren't cheap paid several hundred dollars in. You're not a laptop store owner owner then. It's probably a pretty big ding to you to lose any given laptop that you have true but then again if some government goon has walked off with your password in your laptop. You probably don't ever want to trust that laptop again. It should probably be burned. You don't know what you're yeah. Yeah a security vulnerability if you give them a password and get all your why formatted the thing as soon as i got back yeah i mean i wouldn't trust any device that i headed who aguna government and then they basically touched sean well. It wasn't even my normal hard-right. Put a special hard drive on there with just a good idea. The other thing you can do is put a <hes> a backup clone your hard drive before you leave. Take the clone with you and then just completely blank the clone on the way for you come back. That's another option. It's not foolproof solution but it does it. Does it's a good idea yeah. That's certainly good again so there are options when it comes to this but unfortunately thousands thousands tens of thousands of people have had their devices searched and not just people not just foreigners but people from the united states eighth fifty five four fifty three more about what's going on with <hes> the border patrol in moments. This is free talk live. Our three next and arkadelphia is a conference dedicated to the principles of liberty individual sovereignty and freedom from coercion located in philadelphia. 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He was trying to go to college <hes> trying to go to harvard the apparent early and was stopped at boston logan international airport where immigration bureaucrats questioned him and searched his phone and computer now. Here's a question for you and i you know i don't know <hes>. This may take an attorney immigration attorney to answer this but we know that you as a u._s. So-called person or citizen or whatever don't have to consent to the device search but what about somebody who doesn't didn't live here because they have a fairly wide range of ability to deny access based on however it is they feel about the you know the person trying to get in and so i would probably be denied entry if you're a foreigner coming into the united states and refused to provide password. That's what i'm that's. What i'm thinking is the case so he probably had to give them access to that device. Now that doesn't mean he couldn't have prepared himself as you suggested earlier nobody by ship it shipping computer or at the very least putting a dummy hard-drive in it and just like a web browser on it with no you know per browsing history 'cause they don't go through your suitcase looking for spare hard drives. Oh yes they would do that yeah. They searched my bags. <hes> okay yeah they when i say they i'm talking about when i got the device research that happened to me that i was expecting to happen at some point and it did happen to me so you know obviously they've got their bureaucrats that search at the normal searching points points out out there but they searched while i was in their custody and while they were searching you know before they searched my electronics. They searched my bags four electron ix so they wanted to look through my camera. They wanted to look through my phone and they wanted to look through my laptop. I suspect if they could identify a hard drive in a you know a backpack pocket or something like that. They would probably want to to see that as well with my oh for sure again this at the border not correct zero national slow by within the united states. That's correct so let me get back into the story here because you'd said nobody that this person is smell. Aswa asja was apparently the feds reversed their decision about this headline said he'd been led in yeah well. Of course he's from harvard so i'm sure that <hes> played played roll. What about all the thousands of people who've had their devices searched who had no justice whatsoever for what happened to them now. They've had no justice whatsoever exactly now. The good news is the electronic frontier. Foundation does have a law suit. That's pending about this very issue and there's about a dozen people who are named in that particular lawsuit so there's there's there's some gears turning on this one but you know who knows it might take another decade before we get any meaningful opinions out of the courts <hes> they cancelled his visa by the way and he was summarily merrily deported for someone else's views for those just tuning in. That's one of the important parts about this story. This isn't just a story about how bad it is that the government searches people's devices because that's bad and we've reported on that here but this is the story about how that search of your device even though you're thinking oh there's no big deal. I don't have anything illegal on there. There's no bomb making materials stereo. There's no you know porn or whatever he didn't have anything illegal on his laptop. What he had was opinions from his friend's opinions from people people that he knew in chats that he'd had with them the officers <hes> said that was enough reason to cancel his visa and tell him you're you can't come in the it may not have even no matter whether or not he had any computers at all. I should also point out because they're demanding passwords to social media. They're looking at social media so if i've heard they're asking i've heard they're demanding passwords but not only that just looking even if even if you don't even if they don't have access your account that doesn't necessarily mean they can't see what you have posted or friends of people who posted that are associated with your account. If you've got your friends list that's unlocked because some people do lock that data down that doesn't necessarily necessarily mean that they don't have access to look at facebook faecal face coffey because facebook continues to leak databases of information so we'll get into that story to i've got one right so they can actually go back at certain periods of time at a minimum and say okay we download. This leaked data data chat logs. Yeah i mean we're talking about. Millions of people's information's have been leaked so they can make connections even without having access to current data so they could say okay well. We're we're gonna look at so and so what they've been posting even if you don't bring a computer or anything if there's some association with your name and they can look it up within their own databases already exist. This is from crunch dot com. They say the u._s. Border is a bizarre space where u._s. Law exists largely to benefit the immigration officials who decide whether or not to admit or deny entry to travelers and few protect the travelers themselves both u._s. Citizens and foreign nationals alike are subjected to unwanted searches or excuse me unwarranted rather. I'm sure they're also unwanted searches and few rights to free speech and many have limited access to legal counsel. There's nobody who has access to legal counsel <hes> effectively. It's brought their attorney with them. It wouldn't even matter they will. They will stop and it's actually in the point of the points. I wanna make out. Even if you are all right lawyer you'll be denied access to early council and even search data that is privileged data of a lawyer and wow really yes i. I heard this from a lawyer who has had this happened like somebody who's an attorney from outside who turney <hes> u._s. Attorney who traveled outside the united states and went back in in the united states and she of course you know stepped up and said hey this is not legal. I am a lawyer year my credentials whatever and it didn't matter and she let them into the devices. I don't know that she let them into the devices because that would be that would cause problems but they certainly gained access to the devices so they may not have had a password probably not. I suspect well. It's easy to route a windows box. If you sure you want security but this is it's happening routinely to lawyers attorneys so when they travel international trade there are certain there's i don't i don't recall all the details but there are certain steps that is ben advised for lawyers to take when traveling internationally especially because of this but there stories. I believe a case that is i think there's a case that's occurring <hes>. It's gonna be working. Its way through the legal system. Either there is or there is going to be. I understand <hes> <hes> so that this may change but who knows it might be twenty years before you know there's some new ruling then about that case coming i wouldn't recall and i probably wouldn't have have enough information in regards to either way because well one. She's not if it was a case that was specific to her or somebody. Surrounding her she she wouldn't pass on that information for obvious reasons and if it was a case is ongoing already then you know it would be in the newspaper but i don't. I still wouldn't necessarily know what that they haven't read about. It and it's given border officials a far wider surface area to deny travelers entry sometimes for arbitrary reasons. Oh yeah typical day u._s. Customs and border protection processes one point one three million passengers by plane sea and land and deny entry to more than seven hundred sixty people says every day sometimes a denial is clear such as past criminal conviction or wrong documentation but all too often no specific reasons are given and there are no no grounds to appeal you. If you're a citizen you can't be denied entry to the united states. That was true so just be aware of that. When you're coming they can seize your devices in such things but happily eventually after let you in so don't don't be afraid to put up a fight c._p._t. Also claims to have what critics say is broadly unconstitutional powers to search travelers phones including those of u._s. Citizens at the border without needing a warrant last year c._p._a._p. Search thirty thousand travellers devices a four times increase in two thousand fifteen without any need for reasonable suspicion suspicion and that's what we were discussing earlier. They're not clear at tech crunch that they actually don't have the power to search those phones as you pointed out chris. They have the power to ask you to give them the password or put in the password. I did not give them the password. I put in the past right right. I'm again i was i knew that this was a possibility so i prepared my devices as much as possible for this or they will steal your device from you and you will probably never see it again unless you wanna hire an attorney to try to fight to get your five hundred thousand dollar laptop back and spend thousands of dollars on an attorney to try to do that so be aware of what the potential is going through these. There's probably a better chance of you. Get in your top back if they sees it from you at the border actually than any investigation. <hes> let me think that i've heard they like six months to a year but you probably ship it back here you go. It might be broken. Yeah you migrate back toll-free number woo. They smashed. 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That's eight five five four. I five zero three seven three. Were talking about a pretty intimidating circumstance. Net is crossing the international border into the united states or not friendly people <hes> they are not there to help you. They're there to find an excuse to kick you out or not. Allow you to come in the first place and now they're using social social media posts by other people that appear on your device that they are searching at the border <hes> whether they're searching it you no because they can if you're an international person or they're searching it because you've given them permission to do so they will then use the evidence that they find signed. Even if it wasn't evidence that you created somebody sends you a message. Maybe even know the person they send you a message that they find to be objectionable. They will deny you access to the united states. That's what they've been doing to people. As we're discussing here you can join us. 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We continue continue with your calls and thoughts. Somebody who does a fair amount of international traveling is gene the christian anarchist. You're on r amp only call in lines on dischord. Go ahead jeanne yeah guys. I'll tell you about the time they detained me but before i do that you mentioned earlier about having a laptop that had to passwords is words and there is an that works there steph telegraphy. I think is the big inaugural thinking of but that's hiding decipher taxed next within like an image or something like that. It's just merely hiding it basically so they they. They're looking at one thing but they think it's another so hold on. What is this program. It's not a program. There's there's an old you're no. There's an old program that not call drew crypt this trip and you can make a true crypt container that it could be an entirely heart tired drive and have a password. That's a fake password and then a real password and the fake password gives you access team right right. That's what i was describing earlier. Where one password kind of lead you into a dummy version of the drive and then another one is the actual one. I didn't know you could do that to the entire hard drive with with true crypt. Yes true crypt could do all of this stuff and then all of a sudden overnight. They just said we're not gonna. Have you tried. Have you tried this. Yes yes that works with the with okay. So here's the thing there's full disk encryption and then there's right like lenox likes with physically i'm talking about. Oh there's true to true. There's all sorts of true disc full disk encryption programs for lennox and windows as well. <hes> transcript is one of these programs but the features or the hidden <hes> like multiple password thing you enter password gives you one thing enter another that i don't think works with the booting of functionality of it so right there's full disk encryption and if it's installed like if you have windows installed or something of that nature or lennox and you you can have a partition that's encrypted so that's still folded encryption. That's where you do that with but i don't think what amounts to booting system. You can do it yeah. I've never tried encrypting the whole drive. I've just encrypted a container and had a fake password for that container. That's right it is theory seriously being developed and their walker had said basically it was compromised so using deviations of it either i think i think that they were pressured by the government to discontinue that. I don't think it's compromised. I think because i haven't seen any evidence that it's compromised anyway. I call to talk about the <hes> the time the the goons set took the christian anarchist aside and stuck them in a room because they saw something on on their computer. They didn't like on there okay yeah. They wouldn't tell me what it was this. Where were you coming back from coming back from china about about two years ago i think but <hes> they you know i went through the the machine and then came up to the little guy the booth and we talked to the guy at the booth and i was actually complaining because their machine wasn't working right and maybe it was all just because i was being jackass i was complaining about their ridiculous process and how it didn't work and everything else and so then they took me aside for secondary and separated me from my wife and and my mother unlocked and i wanted them to keep going i usually they make them keep going in my experience when rene and i went through the checkpoint this was the year i didn't get the device search they actually had an issue with rene and i wanted to stand there and and keep an eye on on them and they they demanded that i move along long or else and that's what whatever it is you want to do. They don't want you to do it so anyway because i had my phone because i sat in there for over twenty minutes and finally i went went up to the window and i said look. What are you guys want for me. I said i've got the phone. Yeah i had my phone and actually text. My wife and i said get moving. Just get the luggage and get onto the next flight said don't worry about me. I'll catch another flight. One of the reasons they might do that. Too is to get your password so it's probably not a good idea to and to your password while you're waiting <hes> observing sitting in a room with it. I'm sitting in a room with a whole bunch of people. They're not watching me. No i could point when they did see me doing it. They told me to stop it and that's they get really upset if you if you pull out a phone they won't take it from you when you walk in but if they see you on the phone they bellow it you learn you can't use a phone in here and they point to their signs that they've got and i thought this was actually one of the funnier parts of it. You know i'm in this room in in new york. Where were you at when they did did you. I'm thinking this was l._a. L._a. Okay sure so they take you off to the side room. It's this just institutional ugly just boring awful place and actually actually chicago okay my it was very early in the morning so it was like five a._m. And five thirty or something like that so there's almost nobody in there there were few people they were picking on but not not a whole room full of him <hes> at at that point and they had these no cell phones signs up like on the desks or whatever sort of around the room and they'll point point to it and they'll yell at people and i when i was writing up my story about this for free keen dot com where i talked about my experience of the you know the what i consider to be illegal searches going on. I found a picture of that room. I didn't think to snap one while i was in there. I didn't want to push it any further other than i already <hes> was willing to go but i actually found a photograph taken in that room that was available publicly on the internet so for all of the sign niche for all of the bellowing for all of the yelling when the story was actually about them because it was like a positive story about like it's someone's birthday. You know some sort of feel good story about the immigrations bureaucrats. Apparently they were fine with somebody else who wasn't one of their victims taking a photograph of the very same supposedly restricted area standby gene gene. I know you've got more to tell us your story in chicago being dealt with by these bureaucrats that's on the way our toll free number eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom and you can join join us here. This is free talk. 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You get started with that as we continue here. <hes> as we're going to go back to jean the christian anarchist he was telling us a story about his time dealing with border patrol or at least one time where they wanted to harass you extra you had said that they had pulled you aside and and you wanted your wife and her with her mother to move on but they forced them to say it was her mother yeah yeah and so they had to stay in the same room with your did. They segregate them into jim room. They were out with the general population out there but they didn't want them to leave and i was in the little secondary screening room with reinsch of other people that were pulled aside for secondary screening and i got quite illiterate with these guys because the number one. They let me sit there for about twenty minutes before they even did anything in fact. I went up to the window and i said look what you guys want from me. I said i got a plane to catch and they said well. You have to sit back down and wait your turn and blah you know and then after a while i started getting quite belligerent with these people. I started making loud comments. It's in the in the in the little room there and i started shouting to the guy in the minds say look. You got no reason to hold me here. What are you holding me for. I want to know right right now why i'm being held i said i'm going to my home. I am coming home. You have absolutely no right to stop me from going going to my home and that's you know because i'm not an immigrant i live here. This is where i'm going and you have no right to stop me. That was my message it to them and they were saying well and they had the little guy you know behind the computer and he's looking at the computer trying to figure out you know what he's got and and so i called for the supervisor at called i want to the supervisor's supervisor came down and he's looking over the shoulder at the computer screen course. I can't see the computer screen and now he's saying well. What are you and he says well. I got nothing and i said he he even says he's got nothing so let me go. I wanna go on my way and they weren't gonna do it. For some reason i don't know what it was and how much time has passed. Do you think at this point. This has been about an hour and a half okay. This sounds about right breath. We had about a three hour layover and i was fully prepared to miss my flight. You know i was not gonna talk to these people. I was not going to answer their questions. If i missed it's my flight. I was going to miss my flight and catch another one. You know i wasn't going to worry about it but <hes> they wanted me to come down and i wasn't having any part of it and that's ads when they brought my wife into the room because they wanted her to call me down you know so. They brought her in and i'm saying why did you. Why didn't you just just leave. I said i got this. You know they're they've got nothing on me and there's nothing they can do except let me go eventually and i was going to play the waiting game on them and make them <hes> eventually just say okay. You're free to go and so they did. They did say. I was free to go and they gave me to whites hours. How long were you in their total. Will it was probably about an hour and forty five minutes through your stuff to did. They search your bags. Surprisingly no they did not they were. We're just i don't know what their trip was and this is how long ago when was this about two years ago pretty resent. I've been back in the country twice since then. No issues bug me when i came back from japan. Do you have any kind of criminal history. You know maybe i'm trying to figure out what would even like caused caused them to. He's the christian anarchist. I mean they. They probably know that usually usually these usually. They'll have some reason to put you want dr kissed reason. I know i know but usually usually it's not because you're an anarchist because you end up doing something that gets you a some sort of criminal thing and then and you get put on a list as a result of that because somebody is angry at you and i mean i've definitely had some legal things that i took them to court for are okay. I have you know i've had some some times. I've taken them all the way to the supreme court on some tax right there. You know while you're on yeah yeah. That's why i was wondering it's like i d- exercise of rights the first degree ever have a social show credit score in this country three probably never be able to travel again right there. Petty petty bureaucrats that you know they're trying to get revenge and they put you on these lists. Even though so you know even if you win your case there's no criminal record they will just they will do everything to make the your life you know it's unbearable title and they lie as well of course there was actually a aria. Who's one of our co hosts on monday and tuesday nights. Generally here on free talk live. If she traveled recently she went down and it was actually a first time flying amazing and she'd never flown in her life to she actually story. There's a little story. There's a little the three story is that she was going to not show i._d. Because her idea was expired why she was going down to mississippi was to renew renew her right her ideal down there <hes> because you couldn't do it online she had to physically active and we're actually she could do it online but they wouldn't ship it outside of mississippi so so she had to go to city it was the government policy was the post office. The post office would refuse to because i was under my understanding is if somebody else picked up the license and they and they tried to ship it the post office would return anything about that but <hes> florida right ahead no problem shipping my license to me up here so it was just a mississippi but it was a state that did it not an individual who did it. That's what i'm talking about. The state would not send her license <music> outside of the state. I understand that's why she had to go down there but my understanding is she couldn't have somebody else. Pick up the license and then ship it to know. She couldn't do that because the post office would return it well. I don't know about the post office this but she couldn't okay periods ship outside of the state gotcha but anyway she <hes> originally wasn't going to show i._d. To to travel because her i._d.'s expired but it turns out they actually will take an expired ide- up to a year after the expiration date so she actually ended up showing the expired i._d. Eighty and that's too bad too because you know it's been a while since one of our co hosts has traveled without showing i._d. Sam dodson times back in like oh nine or two thousand ten and he proved that you can do this and in fact it's on the t._s._a.'s website. What if i forget my identification right. You just have to answer some extra questions. Go through some extra screening you get to fly so you can still fly with no idea which is why i'm calling bs on the claim that the government saying you're going to need to have a real. I d in order to fly come twenty twenty. That's gonna be bs. I'm calling it right now. <hes> you will be able to fly with the non-real i._d.'s. They may give you a little. Oh extra super super screening but i have i have not <hes> attempted to fly without. I d <hes> but i have committed myself to not flying a real rely de so we will find out i also do not have realized we will definitely find out what happens when you refuse to i._d. But refused two or don't have an i._d. Can't refuse to your your ideas. Not compatible with allies can't refuse to not rely d at the airport because you don't have a real i._d. At least in my particular case i'm not refusing to. I'm not refusing to you because i don't have a real. I d i ever have an if i ever you know show up early early enough because i feel like you'd probably need to have at least a couple hours in advance. I always how long they're going to do with their extra questioning or whatever it is. They messed it right. It would be interesting to go through the process just to see how invasive it is gene. Thanks for the call tonight. I appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number if you wanna join us is eight fifty five four fifty free. 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Signs is on order as of today so the they should be here roughly a week and a half so ten more days and we'll have <hes> hundred twenty. I think is what we we ended up having that's like she's got to be like five times more than what we got for bob's camping well. It's also going to be something that'll it'll be usable over and over again because the hope so i hope you plan to use this for years and years and years to come. I mean my next thing will probably probably be <hes> trying to primary sununu or that's the governor of new hampshire the republican governor so i would probably try and hit them from from the republican side. That would be as soon as next year i yes i mean there's a new hampshire elections all the time yeah so. There's no oh but there's actually literally where we live. There's an election every six months roughly every half a year because their school board elections that happen yearly and those happen the springtime then every other year on the odd years. There's municipal elections so this year is a municipal election where the mayor intensity intensity counselors will get elected well. That's going to happen again in two thousand twenty one so in two thousand twenty. It's the state elections because all the state offices are only two years so every two years. You got state state elections on the even years and every two years. You've got <hes> municipal elections on the audience. You literally have an election that is essentially all the time. There's never a time where there's not somebody campaigning for something and it can be a little exhausting if you're you know sort of into the political scene but technically if nobody wanted to. Nobody could run for you know you. Nobody could run for city councillor or mayor as you doing mayor. They could then run for no well. They're not the same year her at different times and see could then run in the state elections following that then you could go right back to the municipal election if you wanted to throw in school board elections in there. Oh you know every- nobody should be on the school so go to elect nobody dot com. I don't know what the plan is for. These signs signs. I mean obviously priority is going to be given people that live in keene. I i presume but i think you're going to be willing to sell them to people outside of the area as a fundraising gesture. That's a good idea. We've put up the the graphics dosa for anybody that just wants to make a batch of their own signs. They can fight the same thing as buying a sign though i know i'm saying if you wanted to do it your cell right right right. The graphics are available. That's going to be a lot more expensive. They're probably gonna cost you. Twenty bucks to get a sign to get a one off made well. It's also not going to be cheap. If you wanna ship oncein either right like you might be getting close to. We're not quite twenty. You're probably going to be paying more at shipping into it and everything because it's a big box yeah. It's yeah it's not happy one nine nine heavy but it's not but it's probably going to be themselves cost about five bucks a piece just pure more cost yeah five and that includes the stakes but anyways go to elect nobody dot com. You can learn more about the campaigns some cool stuff coming up. I think probably sometime this month. If you wanna talk about it yet because i don't know if you've found the date yet that's well. The plan is we're going to mark. The anniversary of the i four twenty rally in keene. We just have to find out exactly when nat anniversary is definitely fall of two thousand nine but the question is was it september number. Was it october and part of it is how do you count it because you know we went to that. Glenn back thing that i i remember glen back nine twelve project vaguely and wh where was this <hes>. This is on mckean common. Oh really we went out to one of those things and it was that year and we went up into gazebo after his little rally was over. Somebody looked at their watch. It was like well or twenty twenty four twenty so we went up in smoke that day nice so you could say that was the first four twenty rally but but i think it was a couple of weeks later so i'm looking at actually doing while we're while we're on the air here. I'm looking at september of two thousand nine for those that are familiar freaking dot com as been income cataloging the various different types of activism that has been going on here since as early as two thousand and six and so <hes> looks like this was actually shortly the after the topless incident where a young woman named cassidy was arrested for walking topless with open carrying a gun one down main street and was really interesting about that was the police actually apologized after the fact because they arrested her because she wasn't nude right and breasts are not genitals. That's why she wasn't nude. Because the way the nudity laws or statutes are written has to do with revealing your genitalia in public and press or not the reproductive so therefore <hes> another headline from from september and arco jesse ordered to jail for illegal gardening as of september fourteenth remember that one where he antilles central square without government permission in september ninth keen city council committee votes to support marijuana decriminalization. Oh well perfect timing. September tenth of two thousand nine city clerk refuses to allow nobody in may oral rate so it's been a decade now since i tried to run as nobody with my like a as a nickname okay in in the mayoral race so so nobody has actually accomplished what i failed to do an entire decade guyau how nobody the next generation yeah no history of the nobody <hes> yeah so yeah. Let's see rider. Charge dismissed cameras the new gun so it must have been later in september because toward the end of the month there are stories of free keen about how other news media okay so september twenty fifth after u._k. B que did a report on the four twenty s and <hes> yeah. I'm gonna say late. September is the way it looks here. Public smokeout four twenty september twenty third so yeah okay final week of september is going to be which would be good because we'll have the signs for the elect. Nobody campaign by then and again. If you wanna go back in and experience what this was like in its heyday 'cause. I doubt we're even gonna come close to you know a fraction of the the peak of this particular van at at four twenty s originally the peak was like one hundred and thirty people packing central square in and this is a tiny little park right in the heart of downtown abbey little town yeah. I'd say there's a park. I don't know it's like it's really tiny though it's actually technically is not considered a park legally. It's considered a common okay so parks actually have hours meaning that the parks close at a certain time the common does not close in common. Common is always open to the public so it's different from apart. You're correct about that. Should we start doing nightcaps out there. I mean weekly campaign meeting for nobody at just happens to be at for twenty and go out there once a week you i wouldn't call it a nightcap however well. We could also go out for a <hes>. You know we could always want to nightcap from time to time as a campaign event yeah to me. This is going to be like a special occasion. I quit smoking. <hes> cannabis like within the last few weeks. I don't know if i want to say congratulations relations but yeah i mean well. I'm still i still like cannabis and i'm willing to vaporize it and <hes> other things but i'm it's rare that i smoke so that so ford and so this four twenty i will <hes> you you know partake in the actual smoking of cannabis. I'll have to make sure we have some bad ass weed so so this is going to be a ten year <hes> anniversary coming up here so if you're in new england start planning to join us in in beautiful keene new hampshire the day the exact day is to be announced. I would say just pick someday within that last week. Whatever you think the most productive day if it's a saturday or something like that so people that are you know regular work a week. Kind of folks can attend it yeah yeah i do. We wanna do that yeah. I think i think picking finding the week and then doing the saturday of that weekend. Probably the best plan all right so if you want to join us here you can. You can go to freetalklive dot com. There's a little bit more of the story. We're not going to get to the facebook story. That's it's too much for for justice last segment here but <hes> looking at the customs and border protection story they do go on to talk about <hes> apparently one of the the apps that's getting people into trouble is what's up which is actually owned owned by facebook and claim is that what's app downloads automatically any images and videos that are sent to your username there which means that even if you didn't i know who the person was that was sending you the image if you didn't take the time to delete it. It's on your phone yeah if that person sent that to you and so the <hes> the border patrol people are looking through your phone and they find an image that is somehow offensive or whatever <hes> that they say is reason enough to keep you out then that's enough reason now and the only way you're going to be able to defeat this is to be a harvard kid and have access to a ton of attorneys or whatever so that'd be offended by a lot of my stuff make tax collector's birds again that would date them tax collectors birds. They used to tar and feather them. I'll check them out of freedom. Decrypted dot com elected. Nobody dot com for chris and nobody will see you tomorrow night on the on the online in the meantime it freetalklive dot com balance of nature changing the world one life at a time. My skin's a little better better in the little more energy all out. It's pretty good stuff. I mean i'm very skeptical. Well things and what i do something. It better be good or else. 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They'll recommend the neighborhoods to explore where a youthful can do attitude is helping revive. The greek economy first cassandra overby is back with more practical advice for planning a cultural hiking adventure on historic walking routes across europe. Thanks for joining us cassandra. Thanks so much for having me. So europe is kind of unique because it's cut he's very well. Established major hikes that have an infrastructure actually and the avocado a history. Tell us just briefly about the the hiking infrastructure in europe. I think it really helps to understand that unlike in the united states where most trails are in wilderness trails in europe have a totally different history. That's not all about the wilderness. It's actually really about bringing people to the very best of civilization the very best of history so you have trails that were built because people wanted to do pilgrimages you have trails that we're built because people needed trade routes and you have treasurer built so people could go from village to village and even sell their wares so this is something. We have to remember in the old days as a trail. If you had rush hour it might have been on a trail right because they didn't obviously didn't unpaved roads and this was the trail. I'll never forget being in montenegro. Grow in couture and montenegro is black mountain. That's what it is literally and there's this community the historica nation up on top of the mountains and from this fjord ford like bay off the adriatic. You have a switchback road but next to that switchback road you've got a faint little trail and it's so evocative to me because it reminds me that a thousand years years ago everybody had to get montenegro biking up that switchback trail and you can do it today right so you've got this history tied in with this nature and you've got a love of getting out into the outdoors that europeans have so if you wanna enjoy europe on foot of course there's many different trails that you can sort through but i wanna talk just about the mechanics except this first of all you can take a tour or you can go on your own if you take a tour as a hiker. What are your options. A lot of people want somebody to drive their gear or set up. The hotels. Pels are or have a natural to go with explain the flora and fauna right so there are a few different options that i like to recommend people. You know you do have the completely independent route which just easy to do in europe. It's easy to do that by yourself but there are self guided tours where companies will set you up with walking directions. They'll set you up with luggage transferred. They'll make all of of your bookings for you. Give you a map and then you just go and you explore the trail by yourself or you can do fully guided trails and that way you'll have someone narrating the trail while you're walking talking in addition to booking everything for you or the pros and cons of each. Would you say yes. Oh fully guided is the most expensive option always but if you're someone who is an overplaying her and you really obsess in your normal life about all those plants can really nice just to let go and let somebody else handle all of the logistics and have someone share insights insight especially a local about their culture and about the towns that you pass through because i'll never forget walking up in the swiss alps with my friend who is a local nature guide and he took me to find edelweiss and you don't just find those. I mean they're hard. Define took me to the spot and he set me up and he reminded me how precious this is isn't how we're not supposed to pick it and everything and then we saw it. I would have never appreciated that without a local guide right without a guide. You really don't get those local insights. Someone who's from that area area can show you so much more than you would ever imagine because there's a lot hiding in that mountain face there is that you wouldn't recognize without that local person. I'm kind of intrigued the middle way where you have somebody that you gotta sherpa with four wheels basically they just gear ahead and then you're footloose and fancy free all day and you're not having to go with the group group and you're not gonna stick with a guide but you have them set it up and you know you've got a warm dinner waiting for a cool little mountain hut and that can be a really great option also because you're hiking just with a small day pack so you have some snacks you have a rain jacket just in case it rains but if your partner is exhausted and complaining about that blister they can hop in the car and meet you there tonight exactly i love that because then to people don't have to risk having one person scuttle the whole mission yes. I think that's pretty important. Cassandra overby is our guest on travel with rick steves. She recommends fifteen for favorite hiking trails and she's nap them out for a walking vacation in her book. Explore europe on foot. Her website is cassandra overby dot com now when you go. Do you like to have companionship or have you gone alone to see that you'll just meet people people as you go or are you just appreciate this time alone with nature. What would thinking do you go through before you determined that so i like to mix it up on all of my trip so i did a lot of research trips for my book and sometimes i had people join me and that was really wonderful. Sometimes i did the hikes alone which was great for really getting into an area and kind of losing my identity and losing myself and just kind of soaking everything in like a local and then it was also really nice to reach out and actually make some new friends so i wanted to hike the thirty thirty four and france didn't know anyone who wanted to go and i felt like i really wanted people to join me on that section because it's on cliffs so i reached out to a presient hiking group and i said hey i'm coming to a hike. This trail and i'm an american author. Do you have anyone who would be interested in hiking it with me and i found a couple of parisian couple who came out to mont saint michel and met me for or two days together and it was amazing. That's a great idea talk about a nice initiative and i would think on the trail. People are inclined to be friends. I mean it's like minded people. Everybody's in a in a positive spirit and so i wanna talk a bit about the gear because i'm always looking at germans and germans are famous for their walking sticks with those walking sticks anyways so they really help if you have creaky knees or you know if you've just been hiking for a long time and you'd like to extend your hiking life because they make the load a little easier on your body. Yeah yeah a little. It's a little safer if you have four legs instead of two when you're going down a rocky slope or something yes especially balance by no means. Do you have to have those something. Aerobic robocall source something for exercise when just walking straight on a paved trail to have that our motion going because i see germans like germs are famous for this i mean it's just like there's people almost kind of think. It's kinda funny. 'cause you're paying six germans. They've got their walking sticks and they look like little animation almost yet. What about boots. I grew up thinking. You've gotta have have boots but no there's options. There are options so my favorite option is called the european walking shoe. This is a specific type of shoe. That's kind of a hybrid between just just a nice looking shoe that you would normally wear when you're traveling and something sturdier. That's good for being outside so it's waterproof has a good soul but it blends in you. You know they're usually black or brown. They're very light weight and so you can have the same shoe for when you're going to a nice museum or out for dinner as you do it when you're on trail and what's it called again and a european walking shoe a european walking and just if you don't even care what you look like in a museum. Is there any compromise on that from having a good old fashioned hiking boot so oh good old fashioned hiking boots especially high tops are good if you have <hes> angles that need a little more stability so but if you don't need that stability i just recommend going super light and you really aren't compromising any other function by choosing a european. If you feel you got it's not a safety thing. You're not more likely to sprain your ankle or something. As far as you know <hes> okay. That's it's good to know. This is travel with steve. We're talking with cassandra overby. She's written a book called explorer at european foot laying out the greatest hikes in europe and i was impressed by the last half of this this book which is really just hiking wisdom. You make a point to fix little problems before they get worse. I mean i've seen people crippled on the community santiago taking four days off of the program because they've just got terrible feet right. What do you do to keep your feet healthy on a extended multiday hike. My biggest tip is to actually go a little out there with your choice so i always hike in merino wool socks and that's what i travel with also layering it with another soccer just that so actually the i choose merino wool socks that have holes for all of your toes. It's a super smart thing to do and i recently discovered probably about two years ago. It makes sure that you never get blisters and they look a little goofy when you put them on. It takes an extra second because you're trying to fit all your little toes into the individual. Keep your toes from rubbing really does and it keeps your foot from rubbing in the shoe more and so <hes> if you just do that that will eliminate i would say probably ninety eight percent of your blisters and then i would think there's some wisdom of just if you sense anything going on stop and put on some protective. Stop immediately all of the people who hike with me as soon as you feel a twinge. Don't be strong. Don't hike through that puts molly c mo mo skin most skin right. This is travel with rick steves. We're talking with cassandra overby about hiking in europe and there's a lot of <unk> hi-tech gadgetry that people are relying nowadays. What's the biggest innovation for you as far as <hes> confidence on the trail and so on. I like to use a smartphone. <hes> <hes> that's not connected to the internet or cellular service but it does have g._p._s. tracks on their g._p._s. six tracks. It's like google maps but for the trail so it'll show view exactly where you are on trail where you're walking and where the trail should be so you have to line what you're walking and where the trail is and if you're doing it correctly those two minds. It's become one so this is just like me using google maps to find a a friend whose house i've never been to in the city right but it's up in the mountains and you you loaded up online and then you i use it when you're offline right and what is a hiker who's relying on that do to make sure they don't run out of battery so i carry a spare battery with me that i plug into and and so your battery will drain faster when you're using the screen a lot <hes> so i just keep it plugged into my spare battery and good to go. What's your wisdom on the right kind kind of backpack. I love backpack. Talk <hes> so always choose a backpack that has water bottle holsters choose a backpack that has away strap so you're going to distribute the weight from your shoulders onto your waste also yes and is that realistic somebody's packing light and even if they have a big personal frame frame i mean you should really try to get a waist belt to distribute the weight. Yes cat is the biggest tip because inevitably will put more in your pack than you think you will run. It's can be a little heavier and hiking a near. You generally don't need to worry about peaking food. Tend to sleeping bags because you're going from hut. Tuck really briefly about the mountain huts and how you will eat sleep on your favorite nyc so there's a good variety of the mountain huts <hes> up in the north in sweden. It's like indoor camping so very barebones but if you're somewhere like france or germany this is basically a comfortable guest house that just happens to be situated in the mountains where you will be cooked some of the best comfort food of your entire life. You can purchase wine or beer. You're surrounded by all this gorgeous scenery and you can either have a private room or you can share a dorm room with other walkers and when it comes to eating oh you are exercising. You're hungry. You've got high altitude. This food's going to taste better than ever and you can eat all of it that you're burning so many calories that there is nothing that you won't. I wanna say not when you sit out on a four day hike. Do you generally have your mountain huts reserved before you leave or do you just play it by ear so i almost always reserve mountain hudson advanced because because a lot of times they're situated one day apart and so you know everybody wants to stay in the same place each night so it can be good to just get those reservoir the best best the most characteristic and well run huts and they're the ones that will probably cup. I think it's pretty straightforward to make a reservation and it's reliable and then you get to see the same. The people on your haixia make friends yeah. This is travel with rick steves. We've been talking with cassandra overby about exploring europe on foot. That's for book and <hes> it's an inspiration <music>. I'm going to plug a little bit of that dimension of europe into my next trip thanks cassandra next office athens to see what's new in when grease and christopher woods recommends the most interesting contemporary gardens you can experience around the world. We're at eight seven. Seven three three three rick on travel with rick steves yeah. It's been a while since the news from greece his head much of a positive ring to it come to think of it. It seems like they've always had squabbles among their politicians titians and with their neighbor countries and the greeks still lagged behind most of their european partners economically but hard times seemed to be yielding to a more optimistic mystic tone these days on the streets of athens to athens based. Tour guides joins us now to let us in on how the scene in greece is changing. The leap was kind of cars and end maria sioulas. Thanks for joining us. Thank you so phillips when you take somebody from faraway around greece. What's an experience you want them to be sure to have of course i want them to find out about the history the anthology and everything that's a desire for everyone to discovering greece but i also so try to connect them with nowadays with the reality of modern greece i because we do have history but those vice growing up and living in greece we also so with and hope for the future so i'm trying to connect the visitors with what's happening right now and how history has informed our lives and our dreams and inspirations in life so you've got zeus and the acropolis and all of the aphrodite business but you've also got a contemporary society that has goals. It's challenges. What's an example when you're athens. What's a lesson you would like people to take home with them. Well it's a very interesting question because i do take people to the logical sites. It's like the acropolis but i also take them in the areas that are around the acropolis the old part of offense and there's an interesting thing about it because over there you will find a lot of moderns moderns three targets and that's a very interesting experience for people because imagine seeing a wall with a very modern graffiti done by one graffiti artists and in the background you can see the acropolis so you feel that they are invited to create kind of a censorial bridge between the past and the future. Oh that's that's very nice and i know from working around athens. I love to just walk aimlessly around athens with the acropolis always towering above me acropolis by the way means the city on the hilltop and that's where you've got the parthenon in the great ruins that remind us of the golden age of greece couple centuries before christ but there's a lot of tagging and a lot of ugly graffiti and i understand and <hes> like in any big city in in that part of europe. I understand that a landlord or somebody who runs a business. They're gonna have graffiti whether they like it or not understand. If they hire a street artist or commission a street artists to really take their wall and make something beautiful the other street artists graffiti people will leave it alone absolutely and this is very nice that you mentioned that because i i don't like tagging and random things on the wall but the city of athens started this effort around the two thousand four olympics and they gathered some of the prominent. Let's say a refugee artists of the city of athens. They commissioned them to paint the walls especially the size of the state buildings because nearby some areas that are beats. You know not the richest areas in the city of athens. You're talking about an a neighborhood just a few blocks away from the parliament building. I think that is famous for energised. Yes that that is the neighborhood of <unk> exarchia very much misunderstood neighborhood of athens. How is it misunderstood because yes it is a hub for the anarchists but me me growing up as a student as a university student. It was also a spot where the free thinkers the the young people would go and this affordable cafes and restaurants and bars were you can go in exchange for political views discuss about things in a mother which is not necessarily marginal aggressive or something like that. It's free. It's a free spirit here at very very rarely. It's very convenient because if you wanna go down and make some trouble it's downhill on your scooter to the parliament building examining it all the t._v. Cameras and the police release and you can cause some problems and then go back to your cafes and talk politics. Were practical us now maria when we're talking about these different neighborhoods can you explain that the top up to three neighborhoods that a visitor might want to be aware of definitely the plaka. The placker is the old city which is situated around the base of the acropolis one time the residential area of with the city and my understanding that was essentially the city the city two hundred years ago that was reckless little comunity at the basic today the touristy zone with all the shops in the hotels and a pedestrian friendly charming. Yes it's beautiful. I mean now it's been sort of reclaimed as you say lovey shops and restaurants but the wonderful thing is this all into disperse the ancient agent ruins of the city so you turn a corner and do you have the socratous monument and as i said lots of lovely restaurants and cafes and handicraft store souvenir shops ancient greek week and roman obsolete okay so that's the touristy quarter and then within a ten minute walk from there. You've got a couple of other. One of my favorite areas is an area known as siri <hes>. I enjoy going there because it's a seri- but it starts with p. Right p. r. i. Fiat was originally area that was sort of populated by the refugees cheese who came over from asia minor but it's been reclaimed. We have a movement in athens youth led coretec beckons and so this is an area where the youth of really taken it back and you have a wonderful buzz of young people in the cafes and there are places that the skateboarders can hang out there sort the places that the graffiti artists hang out and if you enjoy graffiti it's easily one of the best places and there are some amazing little pubs and cafes and diners. Here's that are bohemian. They're like ruin pubs or something you go down you step into little door almost no name and down a little tiny alley or passage and then you you step into this if norman rockwell was greece today would be a norman rockwell greek experience exactly wonderful diversity. I mean it's fun. I mean when i take groups down there and point out all the different things that are to do and the first thing that usually hits people as well the graffiti but <hes> when you take them around and show them and it's the very thing graffiti what this is very important and i gotta admit i do not like graffiti like phillips. Who's talking about it. If tagging moved into my neighborhood i would join some committee some action group to get rid of it you know but it's a reality in so much of europe and i think if you live there it's just like you can't complain about the weather. This is the way it is you know graffiti everywhere and it's a reminder there's a different strata of people out there and they're running around with spends after midnight. You know this is <hes> but it is an art good for him and you can actually take a tour and learn from it and see it didn't a more constructive and positive kind of light and and then you're not hung up on that graffiti. It's important not to be hung up on it. This is travel with rick steves talking about greece with two greek tour guides maria you're less and phillipus our phone number's eight seven seven three three three seven four to five irene coming from delta in british columbia irene. Thanks for the call very welcome. What are your thoughts about getting off the beaten path and enjoying athens have have you been there well. I've only been there once and it was like in nineteen seventy two so i'm sure a lot has changed. I know everybody does the acropolis and <hes> <hes> santorini and you know the ones that everybody's talking about but i was just wondering if the guides had some hidden gems <hes> either in athens enj- or on the islands that they would recommend it should not be missed. You picked up the the things that everybody would know about and would want to see the acropolis in athens and ben santini out in the greek isles. Let's leave athens. Let's talk about the islands and also the peloponnesian peninsula because you can have a lot of easy greek thrills just a two hour drive south of athens on the peloponnesian peninsula but one way or another. We do want to have that quintessential greek experience phillips. What are your favorites first of all. Thank you so so much about this question. Because these countries not just about center indian mcconnell's they're beautiful but there's more to this country and if you go to the peloponnese which is the idea where my parents come from first of all in an hour and a half you can be in one of the most quaint cities you will find in the country of grace noth- plan the first capital of modern gordon grace naff plan so this is a wonderful place and what's exciting about it is that you see all the different parts of history the different people that conquered they said because greece has been conquered by many so you find ruins from the venetians you find the forever ruins from the ottoman period and also short drive from there there you can visit two of the most exciting logical sides of this country the mythical side of my seaney petroleum war and the best preserved ancient greek theater in the country which is the theater of a p levels so you can have an experience with encapsulate different aspects aspects of going on holiday from napoli on which is for me the most charming and just comfortable city. I know of in greece i love netflix on and as you said it's a springboard for some of the very best ancient sites epa voices the famous theater what century is epidemic from the fourth century b._c. Fourth century b._c. The and that seems old but about a thousand years before that we have my sania x. any so as always important to remember the masons whereas ancient and mysterious to the greeks like socrates and plato as critiques and plato arto us so it goes way way back and then not going so far back but you can climb from nafta bam up nine nine hundred and ninety nine steps is hot yeah. It's a long hike and you get to the top of that and you find a gateway with a venetian winged lion lion. Yes reminding us. It is the alameda fortress made by the venetians a rule the city of beyond for centuries and it is a very very very interesting sample of what this country is about different influences different things that's boost the advancement of the arts 'til philosophy and civilization and the struggle for greece to become independent modern greece as part of the venetian empire part of the ottoman or whatever maria we're talking about connecting with the real greece rather than just going to the famous scottish tourist places you know yes minosos fine and century and he's beautiful but if you were going to the goal for a vacation in the greek isles somebody who's lived in athens most of your life. Where would you go choosing a greek island so many so diverse one of the regions of the asean coastline which is really coming to life now the ionian islands so those are the ones on the italy side. That's correct. They're over on the west. Yes all the hippies would stop the fool on the boat right over maurice right but you've got really pretty little islands paxos caphalonia those kind of islands and they're not as busy. They're beautiful that green and lush unlike the psychotic which also very barren and you can do wonderful the lot of charter boat facilities. There's commissioner called the orient island there. You go a few ideas for your upcoming greece trip. We're exploring. What's new in greece with to new athens based tour guides on travel with rick steves. Philippos car is also a theater director and a performer with background in history and philosophy british fishburne. Maria service allen love with tall handsome greek in college and this made greece her home for nearly four decades. Edry is calling in from washington jason d._c. Every thanks for your call. Thank you for having me. I you know i was in greece this summer for my granddaughter's school graduation gift now. I told her to pick a place in the world. You want her to go and she greece so well. I had never been that was pretty. The exciting thing we went to athens and fantoni very traditional and then we also went to knock the the comment earlier about ethics. I would really encourage people to obviously go to the park on and those kind of places but parts of athens that i feel in love with or the modern day parts of assets. You're never far away from antiquity. No matter where you are martin he went to the market. We went to st where they're all by serving so i went to. I can't remember the name of the bread read that everyone eats you get from the street vendors. Were that's like the pretzel. That's nice bakery agree where they make it. You know we see more than just the traditional and eddie that was wonderful. What's interesting as i hear. Are you talk edry is it's not that tough to do. I mean athens is a huge city. I don't know four million people nearly half of all the greeks live in athens these days they say from the top of the acropolis you can see half of all the people in greece much of the city is just nondescript sprawl that wouldn't be of a lot of interest to a tourist but in the centre with a half an hour walk you can go from syntagma square in the capital behind that are some wonderful museums just to the left you've got the anarchist's in exarchia and and then you can hike up to the acropolis and you've got the puck at the base of that and then siri that maria was talking about for the trendy artsy area and then the marketplace that you're talking about really is just a few blocks from there and nobles will know just where to go for their favorite souvlaki stand. Frankly i used to just try to see the famous sites and get out but i like athens a lot more these days. It's got personality. It's got a pride. It feels like it's come through different crises in the last decade and there's a confidence in athens. There's a celebration in athens. I like it. I guess what what we found in athens and that you know i could look and see that for some people who maybe haven't traveled outside the united states fostered or maybe they only gone to london or something like that but actually well. It has a tough exterior in some places places. Yeah hearts well. That's nice to hear. The people in the big. City are sweethearts and you said it has kind of a tough exterior. It used to be just so overrun with traffic. I just remember when i went to athens. My kleenex would turn black so city and now they've controlled the traffic. There's more pedestrian areas. It's remarkable. What happens has done edry. Thanks for your call. This is travel with rick steves. We've been talking with maria saulius and phillipus curse and i would love to get your take on our feelings that athens is changing. How athens has dealt with the crisis. Athens has dealt with their refugees. Economic challenges right now for travelers. There's a positive feeling maria. How do you see the changes happening. Nothing's oh it's phenomenal. I mean it really has changed in the the last five years or so. Small things really far more pedestrianised areas while more tourist friendly. We have a great infrastructure as far as getting around in the city so people can leave their the cars behind us the metro systems the olympics were a turning point in the way for infrastructure and you found yourself in a big economic whole from adept point of view but you certainly have good infrastructure trudeau move around relatively good governance sound so yeah you can sense in athens now. There's a there's a feeling of pride yes. We've really gone through some tough times and continue to go through tough times as far as the economy is concerned but as i say there is this sense in in athens with the people that they're taking back control of their city. They're taking pride in their city. Not just the city in their country in general so that's important but on it's tough it's tough on a lot of people especially the poorer. I'm <hes> you know. We're we're running at about a twenty six percent unemployment much higher with the youth between eighteen and twenty six is close to about forty five percent so we've been singing happy little songs about about greece but there is a serious challenge for the people who live there right but for a traveler. We're contributing were helping. I suppose the tourism industry welcomes income phillips. We've been talking talking about athens in greece and sort of the new vibe. What are your takeaways on that <hes> yes. We've been who a serious financial crisis but what is really really promising and what brings up hoping alive is the fact that i felt and i still feel that there was her shuffling the cards of our lives we started realizing that we need to change a lot of things and not cut ties with a bust because a thing that's helped a lot. The greeks is the fact that there is there are strong bonds between the families so that is the reason you don't see homeless people enough and because the family stepped in assisted even if you had a distant cousin or or a non call or whatever relative way stepped in assisted and that is really good because it brought out again things that had been forgotten caring about the other soon that's why the city of athens has a lovely listener said he's inhabited by people that are very friendly because people realize again the importance and smile the importance of carrying and also the importance of breaking out of uniformity and trying things on their own and being more individual so why is grace exciting now because a lot of younger people decided to open their own businesses nightlife. Yes there was always nightlife in greece it. Has you really well no but the thing is now. They decided not to create a store which looks like the carbon copy of another store. That's why syria exciting and that's what i love about the evening seen in the restaurant scene and the cafe scene and in athens you just feel that positively that's very hopeful that because of the crisis on most people have come together and they're working quite well for a good future and certainly a warm welcome for travelers philippos kind of curse and maria. Thank you so much for letting us better understand your beautiful country. Thank you thank you. We're taking a technical tour of what's new in gardens around the world old next on travel with rick steves where at eight seven seven three three three seven four to five or by email. It's radio at rick steves dot com. The classic royal q. gardens near london gave christopher woods a solid start as a plant and garden expert. He transformed the chanticleer garden near philadelphia into a romantic masterpiece before heading west to direct gardens in santa barbara mendocino and vancouver b._c. in a quest to see see for himself. What botanic beauty could mean in the twenty. First century. Christopher has traveled around the world. He shares the stories of dozens of extraordinary outdoor havens in his book garden. Last christopher welcome back to travel with rick steves thank you it's my pleasure to be here. So in your book you cover all the continents dozens of countries. He's you chose fifty gardens. How did you go about researching all these gardens and how did you decide which cards made the cut once. I'd had a conversation with my. I published her who sounded marginally interested. At the time i put something together. I put a four page proposal together and i realized that i was fought to week so so i just went online and talked to many fr- i have many friends in the garden world around the world and i started to build up the conversation and eventually <hes> with all the research and all the conversations which took some months i came up with a list of one hundred fifty contemporary gardens and so i then wrote that in the proposal and i talked look to my would be editor and i said well. I've got one hundred fifty gardens so i think we should do two volumes and this was on the phone and there was silence on the phone <music> on the other end and <hes> i said okay let's do one and we'll pair it down so i did actually right fifty five pieces but but for expediency sake and book size and so forth <hes> it came down to fifty gardens but when i look through your book i was expecting his pen some of the gardens that i ahead <hes> no-one really enjoyed in my travels but <hes> none of them were there because you chose the gardens of our generation not the classic cartons on that was very very conscious choice. It's a it's a book about contemporary gardens and that's something that we can factor in to our travels. If we want to see what's going on now. One thing that came came out of your book is gardeners are like they can be like chefs almost where they have a reputation and people are paying attention to what they're doing and how is a gardener. They're like a artistic phanom. I think the chef connection is is very true and there are as in the world of cooking. I mean it's an assembly gardens. It's as if you take the menu you make the menu and you put it together and you stir it and shake it and spice it and so forth and then you present it as if it were a meal on table and especially in public gardens and there it is and so the gardeners the great creative gardeners of the world both pasta and presents a very much like chefs a garden can be work of art just like the more conventional things we think about art paintings and statues are works of art. How about the cultural differences you know asian american british european. What cultural differences do you find today or is there a globalization that is sort of beyond beyond that now well of course as a homogenization of culture wherever you go as you know we get on the same kinds of planes when we get in the same kinds of taxes and we stay in the same types of hotels but then we get out and we walk outside <hes> wherever we are we go to the market and whether it's a mock could in morocco or a market in new york. That's where you start to see the differences in the way people behave the way people gather their food cook. Is there food <hes> the way families gathered together one of the examples. I think that quota my book about cultural differences. I was in oman the country of the the sultanate of oman and i went with a young ethnobotanist up into the mountains and i met with three elderly men and we sat they invited me into their house and so took off my shoes and sat in on the carpet and there was a conversation in arabic which i don't speak about lentils and apparently a farmer to mountains away had a specific type of lentil that had not been seen in cultivation for many many years and this was a great conversation and the ethnic botanist was very excited excited and wanted to collect the lentil for the oman botanical garden. Meanwhile one of the men is peeling oranges for me and feeding knowing that i'm faren kind of <unk> and grapes and figs and so forth the conversation could have been two thousand years old and i was transported back two thousand in years <hes> even though i'd been transported truly literally in a brand new s._u._v. and they wanted the old man pulled out a phone a cell phone it was the oldest pissed cell phone i've ever seen and it was surrounded by duct tape and there was a conversation going on with the farmer with the lentils and the kind of whole combination of ancient history and contemporary society with these men sitting in the mahela <hes> the men's room of the house. It spanned centuries. Yes we were all human beings but the cultural differences were profound and it was one of the best days of my life that is a perfect example of how travel can connect you with with worlds that you wouldn't even know exist. If you didn't get away from your home and out of your comfort zone business travel with rick steves we're talking with christopher woods and his book is garden less botanical tour of the world's best new gardens christopher. You went all around the world and you've narrowed it down to fifty favorite gardens. Let's just quickly. Give me a sampling of a garden that really struck you as worth knowing about in asia for example. I really liked the tokachi millennium selenium forest which is in hokkaido it was designed polly by an english well known english garden designer. Dan pearson and it had this interesting combination of kind of zen japanese. There was some landforms big land forms that were fascinating particularly as it was frosty the morning that i was there and then there's a herbaceous border that is a bit like a one that you would find in southern england and then a japanese teahouse and it was a very interesting listing combination of kind of european and japanese imagery together. I just thought it was really extraordinary question about about what is the sense of place. I found that to be delightful. He goes to the arab world or africa. What what struck you there and your travels. The miracle eric garden which is one of the most wonderfully polling places i've ever been it's forty five million petunias and geraniums in dubai and <hes> as you well know dubai's desert and the temperature gets to be abominable and one person basically has created this enormous hummus garden with peacocks made out of petunias and the whole village of swiss village made out of geraniums and petunias. It's unions and it's the opposite of what attracts me but it gets millions and millions of visitors per year has going to say it sounds like the mall of the americas for gardening it is in a way but why included it was that it gets millions of visitors and all of them except me. We're taking selfies. He's it's extraordinary popular. I cannot doesn't count the popularity of a garden. Even though it's not one that i personally would want anything to do with especially in arid land like that to be so lush well. There's another garden actually not far away albery which is a private estate fight with lots of <hes> lodge houses and so forth where they're doing serious work on planting and recycling of recirculating of water including black water quarter and they have lowered the temperature by three degrees centigrade youtube's systems and this a lot of work going on in desert communities on how to mitigate increasing heat and how to research late spouse resources such as water so <hes> the very intelligent things that's very it relating to climate smart agriculture climate smart gardening and mitigation when it comes to carbon problems and global warming is tied in with the forestry and gardens take us to europe puts a new garden in europe that we should be aware of i can can choose to one is the garden of stone in pattaya in spain which is north of barcelona which is actually an ancient place. Essentially it's a church and a courtyard. That's tenth century but it's being remodeled and modernized to be a museum. There's a guest house and <hes> various <hes>. It'll be an event center on small events centre what i liked about it was very simple. It's basically one olive and a a few other trees but it's very modern and the travertine marble is cut precisely by laser carson as a swimming pool and it's very kind of hip and groovy and and so forth but put your cheek against one of the stones that make the cathedral there the church there and you can almost feel the thousand years worth of history and i found that to be a greatly romantic sensual experience and and again i go back between the modern and the past and the to connect but i liked very much a very modern garden which is the puck clichy in touching martin luther king park in in paris puppy she batignolle which is a whole new area was lodge a railroad yard then seventy odd odd that their buildings going up housing going up. I think it's going to be the new center of the judicial court system in paris and it's a wonderful the full open park and it's when you live in apartment buildings. Where are you going to assemble and so. This is a place where i saw the in the corner were a group of muslim women with their children chattering away <hes> they were lovers by send the book young obvious in the hillside telling lies to each other. There were lawyers sitting down tending even more lives to each other and there was a young man. I stopped and listened to him. The young man with his son who is lying down next to a pond that had frogs in it and he was explaining very carefully what these frogs were and what they were doing. They were croaking away the and there was frog spawn and so forth and he was giving the child a very simple and preliminary and primary <hes> natural history lesson and i thought the puck <hes> <hes> caters to all the needs of all the types of people in that area of paris too was incredibly important part of that urban urban environment chris woods is the author of garden list. It's beautifully photographed. Guide to fifty of the world's most interesting contemporary gardens he posts hosts photos and musings on plants gardens and his travels at her bain horticulture dot org. Our phone number's eight seven seven three three three seven four to five. You can email us at radio at rick steves dot com in august calling from vancouver in washington state. All thanks for your call rick and christopher. Thank taking my call you bet. Did you have a comment for christopher some thoughts on gardens yes yes. My favorite garden is in the vandy brand. It's monet's garden to me. The paintings that monet created they they come to life the water lilies the bridges the flowers his he's home they go from impressionistic to to realistic to me. All all of all the senses are awakened insight now touching sound and <hes> a gun her three times in two different seasons so i really enjoy going there and i. I hope to go back again. I think the philosophy of bony was to enjoy in different seasons and with different light in the morning and the desk and so on christopher. What's your what are your thoughts about <hes> <hes> surname well. I've been so many times what i find fascinating about your is compare it with the paintings the museum the lodge water lily paintings and we know that monae eyesight was very poor when he was painting these waterlilies so the paintings themselves have a softness about them and and they are an impression of waterless. They're not a documentation of waterlilies so in many ways the paintings are much more romantic because of the softness awfulness than the actual waterlilies growing in the garden but to see those paintings and then go to the garden and see that bridge and make those connections between one of the great pieces of art in the world and the living off of the garden is a huge experience and i've enjoyed it immensely and regard that garden very highly and it's just so romantic to me to think of the painter losing his eyesight dedicating the last years of his life to building this amazing garden didn't the gift shop was actually his <hes> studio where he painted these and i would think the way to capture visited chevron as to go to the orangerie in paris which was <hes> designed signed by monet to show off his water lilies and in a sense glen to the orange areas like going to a garden seeing it through. I guess the artistic genius of you've the painters monet absolutely that's so beautiful olga. Did you go to the orangerie in paris after your visit to japan i did it in reverse. I just love putting those together. Though thanks for your call olga and we have an email from claire in vancouver canada and clear writes one of my favorite travel experiences has been touring public and private gardens during open garden days in the netherlands the dutch clearly loved their gardens and it's always a treat not see not only the beautiful spaces they've created but to get a glimpse of the private homes in an idea of how people live in these places and appreciate their gardens. You know anything about at that christopher. Why do i mean i wrote about actually an american woman who has gotten designed gardens in netherlands for many years the her name is carrie preston austin and <hes> she took me on a three day tour of the gardens that she did and they were all very small residential gardens they weren't the palaces and the public pox that one can easily go to but these were private houses most houses in the netherlands most are tiny and their backyards are tiny and that requires great skill a great kind of mathematical consciousness but also a kind of intimacy of much stronger longer intimacy with the homeowner the one would have if you were designing a big landscape and i wrote about that and i found that fascinating that trying a to change the shape of a really tiny space is extraordinarily difficult and i think kerry has done an extraordinary successful job job in doing so reading your book garden list and i just want to remind people this garden less technical tour of the world's best new gardens by christopher woods. I'm inspired expired to make a point to get more out of the gardens that you encounter when you travel. Let's close out with just take me on a stroll for a moment through a bit of have a garden that really resonated with you and tell me what you're experiencing you mentioned it's like a favorite sweater sometimes walk me through this garden in and give me a sense of the wonder it's one in america and it's the naples botanical garden in florida and was a parking lot and nothing before it was was created and it was designed by five landscape architects and to have five landscape architects in the room is a very dangerous thing in terms of temperament and so forth but extraordinarily they got on very well now it's in naples florida so it's tropical and it therefore has everything has grown extraordinarily fast but it's a series of experiences and while they have labels like the system brazilian garden or the caribbean garden or the javanese garden if you change the metaphor and away and take it as a musical piece when you enter the music starts to unfold and it's adagio and so forth i mean it's just classical concerto of botany added to that of course you're hearing that but you're seeing it but you're also smelling it so because it's in the tropics you get the sweet center frangipani that just comes down one avenue into your nose and and heightens your senses and then you move on and there's another fragrance and then then the sounds of birds various birds and you walk account to a natural area this is on the edge of the everglades and it's the preserve and sixty acres of natural area and all of a sudden things things quietened down. I don't know who compose this. Could it be beethoven because after you come away from the quieter of the preserve there's a riot in a crescendo sendo of flowers noisy and loud and so forth and it's just this continuing experience that rises and falls for your senses but inside you to this the rise in full of excitement and quiet and peace and curiosity and this whole range of experiences experiences and it applies to music or if you go to an art museum and you see three or four different paintings and the emotions motions those paintings evoke in you any of the expressions of humankind and gardening is no different from that while that is a new frontier in pleasure to unleash your sensuality and it all comes across in this book christopher woods. Thanks for writing garden list. Thank you so much travel with rick. Steves is produced add rick steves europe in edmonds washington by yours truly tim tapping with isaac kaplan wilner owner and casimiro hall special. 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A report gives us an inside view of the work culture in the illinois louis how speakers office it follows allegations of sexual harassment and bullying alonso here how some students in need of special education or sent out of illinois for that hell and how the offering of dual credit and advanced placement courses is working on the state project in springfield been working for years to find documents written by abraham lincoln. That's involved scouring libraries courthouses. We also get periodic calls from people that just happened to find a lincoln document sometimes their documents. We already have times documents. We've never seen before run the work done through the papers of abraham lincoln project and how horse tracks and illinois hope a a new state law can boost the industry that and more this hour on statewide welcome to statewide. I'm shawn crawford coming up this hour. We'll visit a horse track. That sees a brighter future. Thanks to an gambling ambling law but will it save the industry also could a solution to keeping asian carp out of the great lakes involves sound and we take a look at special education in students and why some are being sent out of the state for help those stories and more on this week's statewide i up a new report details a culture of sexual harassment in the illinois house speaker michael madigan office madigan commission the audit from chicago law firm after coming under fire for for not properly handling complaints that came out of the metoo movement it shows how madigan's own staff feels he's unapproachable and unavailable and how his former chief of staff ruled ruled by using fear w._b._z.'s illinois politics reporters tony arnold and dave mckinney spoke with melba laura about the reports findings melba began by asking dave want the report said about sexual harassment in the speaker's office well. This report took more than a year to pull together. <hes> it was done by former federal prosecutor maggie hickey it laid out a really miserable experience for low level women's staffers and madigan's office amongst themselves as soon as they would would get these jobs they would counsel one another. It'd be on the lookout for men in the capital displayed. What hickey described as creepy behavior. These workers kind of amongst themselves counseled one another not to drink alcohol halt not go out after hours with legislators. Don't look as if they were in hickeys words to available. I mean some women even went so far as to where fake wedding rings to fend standoff you know some of this bad behavior that was going on <hes> under madigan's watch your tony. I understand a lot of this report. Focuses not only on speaker mike madigan but his former former chief of staff gets a lot of detail here. Why is it focused so much on him. Well you actually details. How madigan was basically so unavailable to staff that a lot of the day to day. Work was laid upon the chief of staff. Then tim mates and makes was seen as the guy who would get stuff done of course that now now came at a heavy cost. There are a lot of examples of how may would bully staff in this report people complain that they had to do demeaning tasks for state representatives like vacuum apartments drive them around run errands even help sell homes <hes> the audit also found that makes us fear against underlings he would frequently frequently remind them that they were dispensable and can lose their jobs. I should note here. That makes actually lost his job. He was fired last year amid some specific bullying allegations sion's and dave. Can you give some context here. Madigan is arguably the most powerful politician in illinois. He's been in office since nineteen seventy-one. Where does the buck stop with him. While you're right i mean he is the longest serving speaker in american history but this really is a blemish on his legacy. I mean he can't escape blame for this because it all happened on his watch you know the report it it makes michael madigan seem almost as if he's like the wizard of oz i mean he's unavailable a staff. They don't seem around <hes> many of the people who work for him say they've never interacted with them and the problem with that is that that a lot of these people told hickey that they weren't sure he would have their back if they were to issue complained to him because he wouldn't know him he issued a statement accepting responsibility but here's the other takeaway from the report and in spite of all the problems hickey seems to madigan pass <hes> she praised his cooperation ration- and he gets plenty of mentioned but but he's almost a footnote to makes you know for example in the whole report yet up the number of times madigan gets mentioned. It's one hundred in ninety two times by comparison made skits mentioned nearly twice that many times antoni once we get a report like this and it comes out. How does it change the culture in the illinois statehouse well. There are some recommendations in this report it kind of goes out of the way to notice that a lot of the staff who work in the speaker's office our young the people who are just trying to make it impolitic or new to politics and they're trying to make it and then you add this dynamic than of some really established people who are much older and they are the ones who have a lot of the power here so some of the recommendations that it lists include that basically madigan should be more visible to his staff off in that would be a huge culture shift really for a seventy seven year old house speaker the report also recommends that power should be disbursed more within the speaker's office like like give more people responsibilities higher ethics officer. They'll make it all just the general counsel the office to deal with these issues <hes>. There's still some other questions about <unk>. How madigan has dealt with <hes> harassment issues. We know that there have been allegations made against some of his people in his political organizations and how that's been handled handled madigan has commissioned audits about how that was handled. Those have not been made public. We still don't know what those reports those findings are. There's even still civil lawsuit that still pending on that front that's tony arnold along dave mckinney detailing some of the findings of an audit of the illinois house speaker's office meanwhile. Tim makes us out with a statement that defends his tenure as madigan's chief of staff. He writes the criticisms against him. Don't appreciate how much responsibility he had and says quotes votes. If my demeanor or approach to my job did not instill trust in a healthy work environments i apologize next immigrants to illinois are now able to sue sue their landlords of their victims because of their citizenship status sam dunk law has more. It's now illegal for a landlord to hang citizenship over attendance head head as a way to threaten or discriminate against them. The new state law comes as fears of ice rates and deportation have gripped migrant communities nationwide fears which <unk> some landlords are reportedly taking advantage of governor. Jay pritzker signing of the bill makes illinois the second state after california to do so we're stronger when when we offer all of our residents the opportunities to improve their lives and the lives of their children here in illinois we are and always will be a welcoming coming state where before they had none immigrants now have legal recourse they can sue their landlords for damages and attorney fees and even ask a court to find them up to two thousand thousand dollars. I'm sam dunk law. Illinois is taking a step to help more individuals access low-cost banking a new state law will have the illinois controller's office provide an online listing of banks and credit unions that offer affordable startup costs and low minimum account balances. One in five illinois households don't use traditional regional banks because they can't afford them democratic senator christina castro of elgin says those people then turned to payday lenders and wind up paying more in fees a <unk> study performed in two thousand eight found that an average full-time worker who does not have traditional traditional banking sacrifice over forty thousand dollars over the course of their lifetime lifetime to banking fees once operating the website will allow someone to type in their address and find banking options in their area yeah <music> and <hes> when students had back to school most kids walk or ride ride the bus but for some special education students whose families live in illinois school is a residential facility or boarding school in another state. Our education reporter dusty rhodes has more. How many kids are we talking about. I asked melissa taylor past president of the statewide alliance for special ed administrators to take her best guest okay so i'm thinking that probably like a wealthier suburban. Schools probably do more than i think they do so let's say two hundred. It's over four hundred really wow yeah. That's a lot usually these placements are the last resort after the school and family have tried all other options options like therapeutic day schools in residential facilities in illinois and special ed providers here say we don't have enough but that's just one of the reasons kids end up going out out of state. We tried to put anything and everything. We can't in place to avoid that happening. This is another special ed director in central illinois district. She asked not to be named to protect the privacy of the student she had to send to a school in missouri and never wanna take a child out of their home but when a student has to two people with them all day at school and we still can't keep them safe because they left eighth grade one size and came back the freshman you know six inches taller and and <hes> eighty pounds heavier but yet their ability to be verbal about what they're upset about their ability to control their emotions their ability to understand. You know what's happening to their body. All of those kinds of things are still the same but we can't handle those with a much larger child however she says not l. placements or based on school safety. Sometimes they're requested by parents. My child has a special need. They have rights and you owe me and there's a real tendency to go listen. You're gonna give me what i want or i'm calling my attorney does special ed director says the benefits of a residential placement have have to be weighed against the negative effects of leaving home what you truly feel like they can not be provided in public school that they have to go to a horse ranch to get in wyoming. I don't know i'm making that up. Well actually illinois does send eight students to a horse ranch in montana and close to a hundred students to a variety of boarding schools rules in utah and about two dozen to a school near lake of the ozarks where treatment includes pairing each student with a pure bred golden retriever who pays for these schools schools. We all do for tuition. The home district kicks in their own schools. Per capita cost times too and the state of illinois covers the rest room and board it is paid with federal funds now. That's the students home district degrees. It's an appropriate placement but if the family can afford to pay upfront they can place their child in a private school live their own choice. Get their home district to approve it retroactively and then collect reimbursement. It's called unilateral placement and time. Tevi has seen a lot of it. He's director illinois association of school social workers and used to work at one of the state's wealthy suburban schools. They're trying to get every possible advantage for their students that they can and i think other families would would do the same if if they had the means to do that. Wealth is what agree on equalizer illinois spent close to six million dollars for out of state tuition in the two thousand seventeen eighteen school year recor