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Deflections, accusations, and muddying the water

CNN's The Daily DC

23:11 min | 11 months ago

Deflections, accusations, and muddying the water

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The House Judiciary Committee is marking up. The articles of impeachment in a confrontational televised hearing. Were also learning new details about the inevitable Senate trial early next year. I've got to fantastic guests. Tell me unpack all the news of the day in a few minutes. We'll be talking with White White House correspondent for American Urban Radio Networks that CNN. Political analyst. April Ryan but I I'm joined by my colleague. CNN producer and reporter the relentless Marshall. Cohen Marshall Thank you so much for being here on the podcast. Thank you David so I want you to hear a little bit of sound from today's hearings now just I said marking up. The what is happening here is actually like the normal legislative process. What you know when When a bill gets introduced in committee it gets marked up that means each side? Has the ability need to make amendments to the bill change it and the committee homes that bill and then passes that to the full House and that is what is happening with these articles of impeachment. Now of course. The Democrats crafted these articles. They're very comfortable with the language and they're trying to change anything. Republicans are being given the opportunity Obviously To be able to slow roll this day make their political points Try to amend the articles but they're outvoted time and time again. procedurally These two articles are likely to be passed out of committee before the day is done and then onto the house floor for a vote next week. But that's the process. Here's the rhetoric I want you to I hear hear from Congresswoman Pramilla Jal of Washington state will any one of my colleagues on the other side. Say that it is an abuse of power to condition aid to condition aid on official acts. We'll forget about president trump. Aw Forget about President. Trump is any one of my colleagues willing to say that it is ever okay for President of the United States of America to invite foreign interference in our elections. Not a single one of you has has said that so far what I heard jibe. How say this Marshall? Today my ears perked up because she was really trying to remove donald trump from the equation and really focus on the fact that Republicans on the hill. Her colleagues on the other side of that day are would from her perspective blindly in lockstep with him no matter what so her her whole arguments here stripped him out of it. Are you okay with this presidential behavior. We've heard from a couple of Republicans. Mike Turner of Ohio will hurt Texas that have indicated the the phone call with Dolinsky that trump's language was not okay. I mean I think Turner used that that exact phrase Mr President. This is not okay yet. He fully does oppose impeachment She wishes it. Was that simple though. You could just strip trump out right hand mant trying to make an argument larger about Republicans here right about being just blindly lockstep with him. But they don't agree with her on the merits of this. Either right she's she said said two things she said trump Conditioned official acts on these favors number one and number two solicited election help from Ukraine crane. Now Democrats are in lockstep. That that's what happened Most outside observers that are acting in good faith would say that that is apparently apparently what happened but the Republicans dispute both of those right they say number one there was no direct proof that trump conditioned the military aid aide on the investigation. And you didn't hear that From anyone not even sunland right. Who said a Gordon Sunland the US ambassador to the U.? You who said that. It was conditioned on the White House invitation but not necessarily the military and then secondly we've been hearing this all day from Republicans today they're not conceding the ground that this was trump soliciting election. Help they're still arguing and they've been doing all day that this was trump trying to crack down down on corruption because Burris MMA The Ukrainian energy company was corrupt. And Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden was involved with these corrupt crooked get actors so problem with the ground. Marshall can you point to all the other places that Donald Trump has made it policy to fight corruption and using Presidential Oval Office meetings meetings and Military aid is a way to accomplish cycle no and the Republicans are acting in bad faith by pushing both of these points it strains credulity ability it it defies logic. It's it's not a good faith. Argument here is perhaps a better argument from the Republicans that I wanted to hear from a Republican Congressman of California in Utah McClintock. His argument is really neither of those things. It is that the president has the ability to set policy here. And what is At core in McClintock's point of view here is all of these witnesses. You've heard from data policy disagreement of the way he was managing the Ukraine relationship relationship and priority. Here's McClintock MR chairman. The constitution introduces the President. With fifteen words. Executive Power shall be vested in a president under the United States of America. It does not vest any authority in Lieutenant colonels the NFC Ambassador State Department officials are Cabinet Secretaries Rotarians the only authority that these officials exercise is delegated to them by the president so all of the criticisms and resentments Johnson personal and political disagreements. That we've heard from those officials are completely irrelevant. I give him some credit there for making a a constitutional to tional argument on the constitutional question of impeachment. Is he right well. The president does get to set the policy but if the the policy is essentially that the United States government should be used to help the re election of Donald J trump then okay. The president sets that policy but it's in his own personal interest. The outcome of that official policy is for his his personal benefit and as Democrats describe it. What you just described is in violation of the Constitution and the oath of office that he swore You know when he became president. That is Nancy Pelosi's ultimate point right when when we discussed this yesterday. Whenever she's pressed on the politics of this she she goes to her oath of office to protect and defend and uphold the constitution and that the president violated that very oath that he also takes? Ah On she's not you know hooting and hollering and making a big show out of this in many ways. It's been very much reluctant march to get here. And and you know I think the strongest proof of that is that when Nancy Pelosi in the Democrats took over in January of this year. They didn't impeach anybody they didn't even they tried to snuff out talk of impeachment and anytime did any of the more Liberal members of their caucus started bringing it up Pelosi's he just shot it down over and over the are largely here. I think it's pretty clear that they are here because they feel like the president forced them to do this that he was so so unconstitutional and so much putting the integrity of our next election at stake that they had to do it period. So where do we go from here. Marshall so These articles get passed out of committee. Today I assume on a party line vote. We have no indication that there's a Democrat on judiciary. WHO's not in favor of these? These articles of impeachment and judiciary is known to be a a more partisan committee of all the committees on on Capitol Hill And then we see action on the House floor Lord but what happens between now and then yeah right so the question is going to be. How many Democrats are going to break ranks and joined the Republicans a few have already stated their opposition? No big surprises there I think that the the same guys that voted against authorizing the inquiry are going to be voting against impeachment number two of those Jeff Andrew of of New Jersey and Colin Peterson of Minnesota. That's right so no big surprise there I don't think that anybody really believes that. Either of these articles of impeachment each mint will get voted down by the house. It seems like there's a They've crossed that threshold based off of where we are right now. That could change but You know is it going to issue going to drop. Is Nancy Pelosi to lose more to this. Point where it's kind of embarrassing and people will sort of get second thoughts and feel like it's limping. Something over to the Senate or will they keep it in the low single digits. Maybe you can count it on one hand and say well it's too bad that we didn't get any Republicans but look we still have a clear majority very few defections and we did our jobs and now we'll kick it over to our colleagues in the upper chamber and now just want to offer what is now becoming a daily reminder under on this podcast to all our listeners when comparing to the Clinton impeachment There was very little party. Crossover there too. We lose that context sometimes and and only only four Republicans bailed on their leadership in the house and voted against every article of impeachment now. Some more Republicans voted against one or two of the articles of impeachment but only four voted entirely against impeachment of Bill Clinton and bailed on their leadership ship and flip-flop. There were five Democrats. Who Bailed on Bill Clinton and voted with the Republicans on at least one article of impeachment and so You know that's not a lot of party crossover back in one thousand nine hundred twenty one years ago when it's almost done martial stay right there. We have so much more to discuss when we come. Come back to the daily DC. We're going to be joined by April Ryan. Stay with US doc. Omaha steaks is the gift you've been looking for for everyone on your list. Seventy any three percent of Americans say they'd rather get a gift of great food than more stuff. That's why Omaha steaks is the perfect holiday gift when you send Omaha steaks they'll Get delicious tender for Lehman steaks and much more. And you'll know you sent a special gift. They're going to share remember and love right now podcast. How's listeners can get the favourite gift package for just sixty nine ninety nine go to Omaha? STEAKS DOT COM and type daily. DC in the search bar. 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David Challen Marshall. Cohen is still with me and were excited. Welcome White House correspondent for American Urban Radio Networks and CNN political analyst a Ryan April. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much for being here. We saw one of the things. Republicans started to use this judiciary committee markup for was to Reinject the Biden's Joe Biden Hunter Biden into the center of this To make sure that point is not lost it does seem if there's a Senate trial the wish list of witnesses may not come to be. It doesn't sound like a quick trial. Mitch McConnell may be all that interested interested in calling Witnesses we'll see but that means that the Matt Gaetz of the world who are about to hear from won't get to see Hunter Biden called as a witness in the Senate but that that did not stop him from Once again using the Biden's as the as the central argument here as a I should say a central distraction argument here from the charges against the president hears AIDS during the gentleman for yielding of Democrats. Can't prove that the Biden's are clean then. President trump can't be guilty of abusing power are. He's asking a reasonable question. They cannot prove that the questions into the Biden's are unreasonable. So April does that mean Matt Gaetz thinks that The only way the president does something wrong here is if the Biden's were somehow guilty of something. Well there are several things here and this is like an onion that you peel the skin off. One this impeachment is about the president of the United States but Republicans their talking points. They liked to muddy the water to bring in issues. Now is there concern or are there some questions when it comes to Breeze Ma Biden And Ukraine We've seen that Rudy. Giuliani has gone to do some opposition research. But at another point in time This will probably probably be flushed out. by Republicans in some kind of way But Democrats are trying to stay to the point but this is an issue. They're bringing back this original talking point from the very beginning when the issue of impeachment this impeachment of inquiry began. And they're bringing this back Tomorrow this president to to Republicans are bringing this back. Tamar Democrats as the president is being marred with this this ugly mark That he is actually very concerned about and he is watching the hearings. I asked him this week. I asked a Monday in a Mr President. Are you watching. And and he said yes. It's disgusting but Republicans are now following. What the president wants? He wants them to go out and fight for him. He asked for them to fight for him and they are throwing Biden into muddy the waters so but this is about the impeachment of Donald. John Trump are there questions. Still that need to be resolved. Maybe so oh but at this point it's about the impeachment of Donald John Trump well and it's about trump right but it got really personal today you know and and we played the clip of gates but he went even further you know and he he read off directly from An magazine article about hunter or Biden and talking about some of his struggles and issues with addiction. And then Matt Gaetz then dinged by one of the Democrats About his own. Dui I mean this guy very personal and Hang Johnson said is like the pot calling the kettle black. You know they shouldn't bring in all of these things And that's not what we've gotten into such Of a different type of politicking about the attack personal tax now instead of dealing with the issue and Hang Johnson onto this right at issue is the president of the United States but people want to muddy the waters. Now is there a concern about Hunter Biden yes yes The question is you know we'll Republicans be able to flush this out and really make sense of it now. Vice President Biden said you know told people on the road that they're damn lie trying to link the same thing the president has done with him and his son but the bottom line is this needs to be cleared up but this is not the place for it to be cleared up. This is about the impeachment of Donald. John Trump the abuse of power the abuse of Congress and they didn't bring in the mall report because it would have been too much it would have been bringing back old baggage that was almost solved. But this there's there's a time and place for Joe and Hunter Biden and Ukraine but at this point the point point is made that it's about the impeachment of Donald John Trump. I want to delve into a little more of this political moment because one of the things that we heard from one of the Republicans on the panel Steve Shabat of Ohio L.. Who by the way also was on the Judiciary Committee back in one thousand nine hundred during the Clinton impeachment He talked about the hatred for the president. Then on the part of the Democrats and that this is something that they are doing Simply because of their complete and utter dislike. I want you to hear a would Steve Chabert said and then get your response on the other side. We are witnessing. I believe the most tragic mockery of justice in the history of this nation. We are witnessing an inexplicable applicable rush to impeach a president who is disliked. No loathed by most of my democratic colleagues by their supporters and as a result of that loathing they see fit to abandon all basic tenets of fairness due process and justice guaranteed to every American under the constitution so there was shabby last night at the beginning of this judiciary committee markup process. What do you make of what he has to say? And that's another piece to muddy the water. This is about a personality conflict. I mean today we heard Some Republicans saying yeah. You know this president is not as traditional right. He's not a traditional present. The president himself has even said. I'm not presidential so beyond that. It's not about personality. This is about the president standing in front of the media saying Ukraine and China come investigate. You know this is not about personality. This is about abuse of office now. We talk about bribery and extortion. Russian What they called quid pro quo Quid pro quo is something that has happened In administrations prior to and in in this administration it is a tool that they've used but it is for the good of the country not necessarily the good for the good of a personal interest in an elections process so the example is when you have a country. That's doing some horrible things to their people. You know in the diplomacy and the diplomatic process. They will oh hang a carrot. Let's do this for this to try to change the dynamic but this was not about a country to country this was about out the president of the United States asking a country to do something so that they could get some information on the candidate that he was opposing so that is not one of the tenets that our founding fathers set forth but at the end of the day for those who want to see the president removed. It is not going to happen. He's GonNa have a mark on his name on his presidency on his brand of impeachment but when it comes time for removal. That's not going to happen is going to be left to the election process for twenty twenty. And we're GONNA see how that plays out and the president has already said you know. He may not leave if he is re if he's not reelected so ooh I think the president's can aware that mark that you're describing them patron as a badge of honor I think when he is acquitted in the Senate I just I envisioned the Rose Garden Press Guy who might be a little cold so maybe not the Rose Garden I envisioned the press conference where he is going to say. Molar came at me the Democrats. That's of coming at me. I beat them back victory. I beat them back. This you know and I think those supporters of his are GonNa buy that argument You know heartedly so. So you're absolutely right. He will do that. And I'm GonNa tell you why because it's happened in the past. I was there when Bill Clinton Tried tried in the bitter cold. He stood out in the Rose Garden and we were freezing day and he was he was saying I'm still going to do the work of the American people and I'm still here and he was saying regardless of this impeachment. I am still president and I'm going to work for you and and Donald Trump is going to do the same because he wants. Let's go you want the winning pitcher even in the midst of the ugliest day you want to have that winning picture. And DONALD TRUMP TRU donald trump true to form will say I won I one without a doubt Marshall April. Thank you so much for joining me on the daily Impeachment Watch and thanks to our listeners. We've got a new episode every weeknight. So please make sure subscribe on Apple. PODCAST stitcher Google podcasts. spotify whatever your favorite podcast APP is while you're there lease rating or a comment. It really helps people find the show. We'll see you tomorrow. 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Republicans are pushing back on Trump - but not on impeachment

CNN's The Daily DC

18:50 min | 1 year ago

Republicans are pushing back on Trump - but not on impeachment

"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment watch every day there's a slew of developments in this impeachment inquiry into president trump and so every day or at least every weekday we're gonNA have a new episode for you of this podcast being arrested is this where impeachment is now today today it is absolutely and it's not investigate Joe Biden Hunter Biden and today we learned that two Giuliani associates basically the folks that were connecting him was fully justified he was on it I mean he was on that train let's be clear he was driving that train and system but in any event yes and that is what is so almost mind-blowing about this whole situation foreign involvement in two thousand sixteen which of course he alleges is the Ukrainians with the Democrats which even his the president's former earn clearly trying to leave perhaps authorities didn't want them to so they got arrested on these Federal Election Dan Caldwell distinguished professor of political science at Pepperdine University but I I'm joined by my colleague CNN's chief political correspondent Dana Bash and thank you for being going far away from this entire impeachment process throughout he seems so central to the president was trying to accomplish in pressuring the Ukrainians too commissioner finance campaign finance charges. We'll see what happens in court with that but to me the larger picture here is why you know Giuliani associates so excuse a bit of the Echo you might hear and do me a favor tune in tonight on CNN to watch that equality townhall we have a local Los Angeles guest in a moment of the normal diplomatic channels of the way the government is supposed to work I mean this is a side project where he was just doing the president is bidding for domestic political when he called investigating to try to find the real root of collusion in two thousand sixteen or are these two associates of Giuliani they donated some three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to with trump friendly SUPERPAC and they got arrested today I think at Dulles Airport you talk to Republican senators all the time and Republican members of the House for that matter as well though more focused on the Senate here because of where this like where the impeachment you what was going on in Ukraine or doing maybe some of his work there to try to dig up dirt on the Biden's or get information on what the prosecutors were looking into here homeland security advisor Tom Bossert says conspiracy and said he told the president better so that's that's Today's headline in this saga but more broadly what I want to check in with you on just in the Federal Court House Democrats are also sending subpoenas to these two individuals I mean good luck with that since they're actually working through the criminal court here it's great to be here so we woke up to a new set of headlines in the dealing with Rudy Giuliani who I think is not l. will occur but we have heard in the last few days more outrage at President trump from republicans than we have ever heard over is that it does all come down Giuliani I mean you and I talked about this over the summer when he started to send texts to me and other reporters saying Biden Biden look at right and look at Biden Ukraine Biden and we were like okay obviously they're worried about Biden and this is before the Muller report it was out but it was before aged about protecting the Kurds than they are about protecting America's free and fair elections well let me start by answering that In shoe of the Kurds in Syria and my question to you is why are these Republican senators more focused and more enriched in an honest way which is I don't know the answer that but it is the question I know that you have been rightly very focused on that question because ss Lindsey Graham yes who is falling over himself to defend the president on this phone call that he had with with Ukraine falling over himself to say that there's no quid pro quo that there's nothing wrong there's nothing untoward there's definitely nothing illegal and he was this It's so stark in watching the difference in the reaction that you're seeing I mean obviously the most illustrious how you I think the answer to just let us focus on Lindsey Graham for sexual the answer to the question in that case is because he made this persuade him on other issues as security he has his ear and there is nothing more important to Lindsey Graham and other early angry when the president announced earlier in the week was it this week that he was going to pull US troops and I will deal with himself to support the president on on other issues where the old Lindsey Graham might not have and certainly not if this was a democratic president because he thinks he can republicans like him than fighting Isis fighting terrorists over there not here and the fact that he could not he had absolutely no control over the president doing something that Senator Graham and other Republicans are convinced will make Americans less safe because it will will allow the caliphate to come back of being in an impeachment proceeding yeah when he has all these constituents who very much loved Donald Trump I get that I just I'm not will allow isis to become strong again it will you know the alliances in the Middle East that are bad for the United States we'll we'll before defied and so that is the reason that he that he says I the other thing is that it's easier politically to fight on this issue than it is on the notion thirty at risk also if the president nights is inviting a foreign actor to play in our elections that to me also has a national security component we'll talk more about now I don't know I know I hear you're saying I think it just to me it begs that question of but isn't America's National C it's part of it but it's also the same reason why his competitors did this so long ago he understands that the Democratic Joe Biden which was a call for the president's impeachment without any caveat not let's see where the investigation goes not just a flat out coffers impeachment we had heard that before here's Joe Biden in New Hampshire yesterday in the full view of the American People Donald Trump is violated his oath of office betrayed the nation and committed remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com that in our next block I do want to turn your attention to the twenty twenty race because the way I've been describing feel free to disagree sorta seems like the race for the Democratic Nomination Michael thing but you see now I think a real pressure on Biden and his campaign to aggressively push back on this every single day huma lax to preserve our constitution our democracy our basic integrity I believe he should be impeached what do you make of Oren her campaign believes her early call for impeachment back in April is one of the reasons she is where she is in this race right now is that she tapped into something and job hey they're trying to learn lessons from two thousand sixteen and Clinton and dealing with her emails are Crooked Hillary and all of that because let's listen even though why Joe Biden is doing that is he concerned that he's taking on water with this attack that he's getting from Donald Trump that is my sense thing on on twitter or every time somebody tunes into this controversy which has led to impeachment it's about two words Biden and corruption whether or not it's fairer the national security implications that are at play here I know international relations is a big area of focus for you and your work can you just from your from one person which is Joe Biden one of the front runners in the race because he is the president's target in this entire scenario and yesterday in New Hampshire we heard something new been sort of reluctant getting there whether his experience in the Senate his dedication to process in this matter not wanting to just do the retort voting population they want a fighter and if Joe Biden who is at the center of this is not going to fight it if Joe Biden who is at the center welcome back I'm pleased to be joined by Dan Caldwell distinguished professor of Political Science at Pepperdine University and CNN's chief political perspective of watching this unfold right now give us a sense of how you think this current Ukraine scandal if you will impeachment in are he also as note clearly feeling the pressure from a wing in his party not all competitors I mean Elizabeth in every time we mention this we talk about the fact that the allegations are unfounded they don't do that on other networks and every time the president says you're not okay we're gonNA take a quick break down and I are going to be joined just a moment by Dan Kabul Pepperdine University please stay with US talk just frozen place impeachment took over and consumes all the oxygen it's just like it has moved to the side almost entirely except of course I was asked what the most serious threat was by will hurt Congressman from Texas to American national security and he said that he thought the greatest threat to America nationals MM SLASH CNN and the MLB postseason one pitch struck out one swing of the back and turned the tide by the president to withdraw those troops but I you know the president this isn't a surprise to anybody that listened to him on the campaign trail or paid attention to his well on on the world stage whether it was very interesting that in his testimony before the Congress the Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire General Mattis resigned and Brett mcgurk also resigned in protest that earlier December decision and we're now saying in favor of a strong national defense are quite concerned about this impetuous I think ill ill considered decision Ivanka trump tbs is the home of the two thousand Nineteen National League postseason this October I have to say about the difference in the Republican approach to Ukraine and what's happening in Turkey which they obviously are claiming is much more significant when it comes to America's national security the fact that the US is pulling out and leaving the Kurds high and dry the Kurds who help fight Isis and if this is not going to say what the president did is an impeachable offense since it's a bout him then who is I think that's fair free into the president's a conversation with a foreign leader about a domestic political opponents asking him to get involved how does that play into America's your quagmire in any way shape or form and he thinks a he promised his supporters that he was going to take a different security was interference in the elections and I thought that was very significant coming from the the leading intelligence official in the United States government wrong pushback from Democrats as well as I think military officers who have fought alongside Kurds who have sacrifice get ready to caliphate I think it's very significant of first of all the decision by the president to pull the American troops out of northern founded Dana Bash remains with us here welcome to the podcast and thank you very much good to be here so you heard Dannon I talking a little bit at the beginning of the podcast about some sized enormously in terms of fighting isis for the last five years the estimated that there had been eleven thousand Kurdish casualties area there about a thousand American troops there he previously in December ordered the withdrawal of all two thousand troops and as a result of that thomases a which is I think he made clear from the get-go he did not want American military involvement in the Middle East he thought he thinks that is pure indepth is that the parallel between Nixon and Watergate and the Arab Israeli war of October nineteen seventy-three Nixon faced simultaneous domestic and international crises domestically he fired the special prosecutor that even before we started about the balance about what is a threat to the US the fact that Republicans are jumping on going through a domestic impeachment process right now what that does with how the actors we deal with I mean it it it was very telling and it's what David was talking about before with me I mean sorry to steal your thunder David but I'm curious what you trebol Cox leading to the resignation of the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General at the same time the United States the United States intervened initially with about six hundred four hundred a and US special forces and over on that and not expose a America any longer in that theater trying as he says I think to be the world's policeman what what do you say to that now faces a domestic crisis with impeachment investigations going on and also an international crisis with his and I think again Republicans are looking to the threat posed by radical forces the Islamic state study some history because in Afghanistan where the attacks on the United States is September eleven two thousand and one we're planned for you guys to hear every weeknight please make sure to subscribe on apple podcast stitcher Google podcasts spotify or wherever your favorite podcast APP is and while you're there leave us a rating or a comment really helps people find the show we'll see you tomorrow facing a crisis in the Middle East with the Soviet Union threatening to intervene and I think in in a similar way president trump L. considered withdrawal of the thousand American troops from northern Syria Dan Caldwell distinguished professor of Political Science at Pepperdine University thank you very much for joining us today compared to about ten for the United States in northern Syria and so I think Republicans as well as Democrats as well as those sitter that because the withdrawal of a thousand troops from northern Syria is not going to end US involvement in the Middle East and indeed that's a thousand oops which by military stands standards is relatively small and they were accomplishing similar objectives as to what those four hundred and she's still member of the foreign service so her boss is still the president if he says no she might not be able to go that doesn't for this edition of the daily DC impeached through the Taliban government and destroyed the terrorists camps from which the attacks in the United States were planned so I think it would be useful for the president to watch also want to thank you the listeners tuning in the developments in this impeachment inquiry are unfurling at a rapid pace so this podcast is dedicated to that a in northern Syria and I thought I have for you is what you think having a president of the United States they will stop the former ambassador to the Ukraine of who the president had pulled from from that country she is supposed to testify on Capitol Hill and today we're recording from a high ceiling cavernous room here

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Interview with White House counselor Kellyanne Conway; Interview with House Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn; Interview with 2020 presidential candidate Andrew Yang and his wife, Evelyn.

State of the Union with Jake Tapper

44:15 min | 1 year ago

Interview with White House counselor Kellyanne Conway; Interview with House Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn; Interview with 2020 presidential candidate Andrew Yang and his wife, Evelyn.

"Public Democrats announced open impeachment hearings as president trump fights back in his own way picture because we beat them how far are Republicans willing to bend we'll ask counselor it to the President Kellyanne Conway and the Number Three House Democrat Jim Clyburn next plus Iowa show forks as a policy divide deepens I get the money they're running in the wrong presidential primary Democrats test their strength in Iowa why are the early states so up for grabs and inside the endgame from social media curiosity to cash blush contender how the Yang family story fuels they candidates message edge it would never occur to me not to talk about her son the exclusive first interview with Andrew Yang and his wife Evelyn in moments hello I'm Dana Bash in for Jake Tapper in Washington where the State State of our Union is in fighting mode president trump spent Saturday night at a UFC fight in New York City fitting for a president whose own fight here in Washington antenna is escalating to a new public phase Thursday the House of Representatives voted along party lines to advance the impeachment inquiry on his way to the arena. The president's IT slammed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as quote unhinged and called the impeachment inquiry quoting again a scam and hoax the president also said he would invite Ukrainian Ukrainian presidents Alinsky to the White House this as Speaker Pelosi delivered a forceful blow of her own writing a new letter to her caucus at the president will be held accountable accountable same quote the president's actions undermine national security jeopardize the integrity of our elections and violated his oath to preserve protect and and defend the constitution joining me now to give the view from inside the White House is counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway thank you so much for being here this morning let's start with the basics the president of the United States asked a foreign power to investigate a top political rival read it in the summary of the July twenty fifth call we also saw him doing in public was that appropriate well I have the transcript of the call right here and I'd like you to show me where that is I mean you consider whether it's a quid pro quo you concern we're not asking you to excuse me where he mentioned twenty twenty where he mentioned where the President mentions holding up aid the Ukrainian president has said he didn't realize any aid was being held up quote he felt no pressure and this entire phone call is about two presidents of respective countries Talking about how they got elected the president of Ukraine says I mob doctor you draining the swamp well we don't need Ukraine's help to I'm not Joe Biden anymore than we asking about that I'm GonNa ask about the quick quid pro quo no what's important is your question I'm focusing on right now I didn't is the substance of the call you mentioned the transcript transcript so let me read the part that I'm referring to and that frankly sparked this impeachment inquiry this is the president there's a lot of talk about Biden's son that Biden Stop the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great Biden went around bragging that he stop the prosecution so if you can look into it it sounds horrible to me this is the president asking another foreign leader to look into a man and who is the leading candidate to be his political rival now you don't have to say twenty twenty four to be the best that I have to push back on all of that first of all he look what he asked him to do he asked him him to investigate what happened when Joe Biden as Vice President United States Danna Stop the prosecution of a company where his his son who is the son is admitted only got those jobs because of his last name only got those contracts because of his last name he's talking about Twenty Sixteen Not Twenty twenty respectfully Joe Biden is not his main political rival Joe Biden was in Iowa yesterday and said he was in Ohio who more does the President Joe Biden all the time but but let me about many things but I don't know I'm Gonna I'm GonNa say trust me. CNN itself had was out i CNN seat now let me talk about I'm not attacking CNN CNN itself was he's talking about Joe Biden Hunter Biden on May trial CNN's own John King reported on his show that Hunter Biden worked for Natural Gas Company and Ukraine that is totally fair game to ask asked whether he made money okay so because you brought that up I want to tell you that a couple of things current and former Ukrainian prosecutors general have publicly said that that Ukraine does not have any information about any wrongdoing by Hunter Biden okay that's number one number two the US government the EU the IMF all wanted this prosecutor that you're talking about fired because he was not pay sixty six weeks ago in glossy jumped the gun before she read the transcript of the call all believe the false reporting that there were eight quid pro quo requests in the transcript. They're not believe that the president said he was holding aid not there believed that the president said he wanted to twenty twenty rival investigated not there Joe Biden is not insulated from his past actions just because he's running for President University thing the scrutiny should okay so what you're what I hear you saying anytime if this is correct is that what the president set in this call which is all I'm trying to ask about right now asking the Ukrainian leader to look into Joe Biden that was a pro biden as vice president stopping a prosecution that would affected his son excuse also a political president uh-huh the president mentioned two thousand sixteen he mentioned in so that's okay regardless of wh- and let's give it's okay it is okay for the president of the United States to ask the chapel where we are now because you're GonNa get high crime or misdemeanor to get to that in a second but it just want to stay on this what just to be clear you're saying it is appropriate appropriate for the president had this conversation what what I've said is everything we're being told about this call including excuse me including by the investigators who are selectively leaking speaking from ten I'm talking about the transcript of the call I'm talking about what the President of the call that you all at the White House put out do you feel comfortable with with what the president said I feel comfortable saying that he never mentioned twenty twenty quid pro quo holding up aid Joe Biden his political rival what the president said you just quoted the data people are talking talking about Joe Biden his son you're darn right they were the New York Times on May First C. N. N.'s John King H ABC News. Tom Yomas on June twenty. It's one thing to talk about it another thing the president I should ask about it later now it's not talking is it okay he said look in into Joe Biden stopping the prosecution Ann Dowd let's be fair Ukraine got the as you and I sit here at their one presumes they're using that aid the Ukrainian president said he felt no pressure he never knew aid was being held up and but for president trump there would be no kind of aid to Ukraine right now under under President Obama he was like the my pillow right guy for and he was sending pillories so let's let's talk about let's talk about the you you've said and I believe that what what the president said on that call was okay just to play when I said was we have to to be honest with America as to what is not there what is not there saying I'm holding up the aid but what is not what I'm asking about that's not what I'm asking is asking you to look at you and he's asking him to look into jumping to twenty sixteen it doesn't matter it is essential because it matters very much but it is about is about as political rival and it is he's regardless of when it happened how is he has yeary asking US asking another leader to look into an American politician that is only president that is okay with we know what's what is fine with me is the day after Bob Muller's testimony which was as big of a bomb as the Muller Report Despite the fact that for two plus years everyone in this town talk about nothing but we spent thirty five million taxpayers a very next day after muller testifies the President United States is saying to the present Ukraine I'd like you to look back at twenty six I heard about crowd strike two thousand sixteen and I want you and people we're talking about this prosecutor had nothing to do so he doesn't mention twenty-one D- But it does award Biden more protection just because you're running for president we've seen it doesn't matter if one is is not about twenty twenty even if Joe Biden were not running for president if he were still private citizen going off into the sunset would would it be okay for the president of the United States yes or no to ask another foreign leader tooling gate to investigate an American citizen that's not that's not that that sounds like a very over-simplified presentation of what is happening here what's happening here is the President United States says people are talking about this prosecutor Peter Okay and how they saw excuse me in this investigation we have Joe Biden bragging on tape in January two thousand eighteen Dan is saying and I said I'd be on the ground ninety more minutes and if you don't believe me call Barack there's no evidence for the record there's no I can show or Hunter Biden did anything else move on let's there's trump did anything wrong so let's go there I'm asking you why are we about to have public hearing president rather than voting on talk about reducing drug prices races improving because the Democrats and they believe that is appropriate to look into four hundred number said that I never said that I'm just is trying to correct the record I went out onto what you're saying Kellyanne about the quid pro quo because what we have seen our opening statements from house testimony from three US officials describing I been quid pro quo the top diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor said the following ambassador Sunland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke at a White House meeting with President Celeski was dependent on a public announcement of investigations in fact ambassador Sunland said everything was was dependent on such an announcement including security assistance everything was dependent on an announcement of those investigators into the tax was was was the administration holding up military aid in exchange for this investing they have no way they're using the aid being held up at the time I think I think you're going to do respectfully with Adam Schiff which has come out and Cherry pick ten seconds or ten minutes of ten hours worth of testimony the we have no access to the full testimony because everything's everything's been done in the dark and secret that process has been flawed from the beginning we cannot unscramble the eight put the toothpaste back in the Tube Dal even now that I'm not talking about the process I'm talking about the subsoil so what later was military Eder I'm asking you just brought they've got their aid and Al then was it was there a time when military very aid was held up because the president wanted Ukraine to look into the by I don't know but I know they've got their aid and I know that so it's possible that happen Whoa here's what's yours what's absolutely UN unimpeachably true Ukraine has that they have more than they had under the previous administration it is possible using in time the Ukrainian president said he had no idea aid was being held up he felt no such pressure he's speaking in that call about draining the swamp complaining about macron and Mirko not trump and the the US and to be fair to everybody who's watching and listening Donna Gordon Sunland then sends a text to bill it says I think you're wrong about this there was no quid quid pro quo so we have more people get the full picture and we've all been CNN but White House we've all been there will be there will be public hearings out but I I'm lately join the defense and talk about the process I really because you're the counselor the president I want to talk about the substance of this really well let's talk about the substance one is impede when you're entirely possible when the military aid was held up as the president asked for investigations into what I'm telling Ukraine has has the and if we're going to impeach him now over different people's interpretations who the last time I checked weren't elected to be the United States the commander-in-chief community wartime at this network this week talking about a fantastically into fantasy of impeaching the president then we then we got then we got al Baghdadi and he's gone that we put out a brand brand new treatment locator it's not fair but I WANNA we're talking mirror definitively no quid pro quo for this military aid no quid it pro quo in this call in terms of the president terms of what actually happened beyond mccall they were eight of them where are they beyond the call general in general as a matter of policy and as a matter of events where I'm asking you was there is an trump never said to the Ukrainian president do this and you'll get your eight it's simply not not here nobody ever thought we'd release the transcript ladies and gentlemen you can all see it go read it has access to we don't have access to data is what has happened over the last viruses so you feel confident that at the core of this the heart of this here's what like there was no quid pro I feel confident about the fact that Ukraine has that aid and is using it right now that is because because this president that they have at the last the last you very notably won't say yes or no it doesn't quit pro quo yes you I don't know whether aid was being held up corralling I know that there were two senators Democrat or Republican who called over from Ukraine and inquired about the aid but we're trying to impeach president here now in this town across this this country why because nothing in this conversation so far resumes so the contrary especially those seventeen swing states that would lead to a high crime or misdemeanor that's that's why Nancy Pelosi is also said she's not sure that will get there they she promised us six short months ago dance she said impeachment would have to be overwhelmingly helming partisan not a single republican followed her down there in fact two Democrats voted with Republicans they can't justify this and she said public would have to be there the public is not their their poll after poll we're GonNa we have a Democrat next we're GONNA ask the president about it the president pulse the president has called Taylor and also Lieutenant Colonel Veneman quote never trumpers these are people who have who have testified in the past couple of weeks this described never-trumpers in in a tweet recently the never trumper Republicans though on respirators with not many left are in certain ways worse in more dangerous for our country than do nothing Democrats Watch out for them they're human scum these are both servicemembers who've devoted eventually by name when he said no no no talking about other people okay so he talked about never trumpers but then he also called Ben Ben a never-trumper which if you connect those dots which he's doing he's saying that they are humans is that appropriate he didn't call them he didn't call the never for trump trumpers who will have sitters on all say I would never disparage the patriotism or the public service of Lieutenant Colonel Vinson that's a given for Kellyanne Conway what I do call into question is the and so do the New York Times Washington Post apparently his Mr WTN's interpretation of of the phone call that's apparently what he wanted correct in the transcript that was rejected because even the New York Times admitted this week in the Washington Post that what he wanted to correct had nothing to do with with the ellipses and number two Donna would not have changed the fundamental understanding the lawmakers as goes that call so that's very key so I look many many people have testified many people will testify but we literally have Adam Schiff with zero credibility why are you giving a platform I'll never know he's lied to see in Anne's lied to the American Working People he leads so he comes out and he tells us after eight or ten hours testimony the ten minutes he wants the country now about that it's not the way I wanNA crecy centered on the rule of law works there so upset we're in the third year anniversary this week Danna of the biggest political upset in modern political history they still need to move onto other Karori why did they admit with this is really about start let's stop pretending this is about this is not a Democrat on next we're GONNA talk about somebody's some first person sitting across who I respect greatly let's stop pretending this about Ukrainian aid and a couple of minutes call between the presence of Ukraine Okay and the United States this is I I want to ask is reading neck you you made your point I want to ask about to happen this weekend which is their newly released memos that obtain obtained by CNN from the Muller Investigation they show that president the president's former campaign chairman Paul manafort blamed Ukrainians for hacking into DNC servers even though US intelligence had long concluded that Russia was responsible as you know the president is still echoing this conspiracy to do you think that it was Russia the Ukraine that is responsible for the DNC hack but I trust our intelligence officers certainly let me just tell Russia who cares everybody a lot the people in this country you wanted to know what your boss will hold on but my boss one he became the president even though people predicted that he couldn't do it or that he wouldn't last or that she can have recount or that we're going to have muller then we're going to accept that it was not enough in there well first of all what he accepts is the election results and the person that he defeat I'm not ask about the election results no no that's not what I'm asking Manafort Lane is being I'm asking about the US intelligence conclusion and that it was Russia not Ukraine. I just want to know from you given these newly released memos that Paul Manafort was saying that it was actually had long been fired yet but apparently repeats that conspiracy respecting you leave imagine going on TV every single day I'm talking about early not talk of the United States talks about matters here believe does he believed that it was Russia who hacked the DNC and not you know the president believes he said don't worry about it many times he's said it could be Russia could be Ukraine could be a Guy New Jersey so he doesn't it doesn't matter what he's talking about he's talking about interference overall in other words we don't want anyone to interfere in these elections we don't want Russia Ukraine the media to put their thumbs on the scale Adam Schiff these people working in segment let the people decide who their president I guess or no one more time before we wrap up because they're president believe as the US intelligence community has concluded that it was Russia's great faith in years intelligence community and let me just say this about those emails they didn't matter matter he won because he took his right now I know you're the president that's not and by the way for very simple reason I was busy running around including on CNN daily talking about where are you going in which they threw out of time thank you for having me Dan thank you very much house democratic leaders tres have Long said support for impeachment should be bipartisan so what changed I'll talk with the number three House Democrat next I remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN welcome back to state of the Union Democrats will accelerate their efforts this week to take the impeachment peach mint probe public after a procedural vote in the House that's a no republican support joining me now is the number three Democrat our South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn thank you so much for joining me Sir i WanNa start by reading you something that the speaker said back in March here's what she said she said impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan I don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country and it's just not worth it so this week as you're well aware of the House voted to approve the procedures on impeachment with Zero Republicans support so my question is would you move forward with the vote an articles of of impeachment if that remains true you have no republican support well thank you so much for having me then but we would absolutely I think fit when we talk about bipartisan support we're not limiting to to the Congress I've been watching the polls all over the country there is rising support within Republican voters in favor of moving forward independence seemed to be immaturity them seem to be in favor of moving forward and certainly overwhelming Democrats so think put the speaker saying that there needs to be bipartisanship dip I don't think she was limiting that to the congress she knows the congress very well and she knows how our republican colleagues are prone own to vote on these issues within the body but a out of the country a vast majority Republicans a vast majority of Republicans in these polls still very much oppose impeachment and wouldn't it be true that if the polls changed that much that the people who represent them would change along with it well that may be true but what's that level that we have to get to for them to change I think that there are calculations year the impeachment the process itself it's the political process and political calculations being made inside the house in the Senate and around the country tree so I I do believe that there is a lot of smoke that all of us see there should be some fire somewhere and we should find find the source of that fire and find the level of it the see what needs to be done to extinguish it and that's exactly what we're doing here if I might use that as a metaphor so congressman some Republicans argue that while they consider the president's interactions with Ukraine to be inappropriate they say that they're not impeachable double the constitution says is you know that the president must be impeached for treason bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors which of those did the President committed net. Well I have no idea and that's why we're doing this investigation what I'm saying is there seems to be and then occasion that something was is going on here this could be high crimes and misdemeanors taking place there might even be bribery taking place that's why you have happen investigation and that's what we're doing here and starting this week we are going to release these transcripts for people to see and read it for themselves we're going to have public hearings starting maybe this week or next and we will get to the bottom of this and then we will be able to make a determination that that time whether or not there's something happened there was trees in this I've talked to a lot of people since I've been home Who I believe that is treason this on the part of this president they certainly believe some crimes have been committed so I want to talk about at polling since you mentioned polling there is new polling from the New York Times that showed a majority of voters in key swing states that helped elect donald trump like Michigan again like Pennsylvania Wisconsin they oppose impeaching the president and removing him from office? I know that you believe moving forward with impeachment is important or at least the inquiry regardless regardless of political consequences but is it possible that this could have a negative impact on your party's prospects and twenty twenty sure it could and that would make this whole process much more political than I would like for it to be I believe that this whole process to me Eh is about preserving this republic protecting democracy that we hold dear and I do not believe leave that we are to allow political feelings to get in the middle of this this country is worth saving and I do believe that we are in a crisis much like that Thomas Paine wrote about back in seventeen seventy six when he talked about some soldiers and Sunshine Patriots we've seen a lot of Sunshine Patriots who are challenging the Authority real brave brave soldiers and real patrons for Lieutenant Colonel then men to be eviscerated the way this White House is a real Patriot he is an meet got so many sunshine Patriot in this White House we ought to expose was them and I think the American people ought to have an opportunity to read what Mr Finland Lieutenant Colonel and had to say and make their your own judgments and they and they will because as you said the trance goes through we released you have your finger on the pulse of that very important state where you are right now South Carolina in a key way and I WanNa ask you about twenty twenty a new poll out of Iowa places South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg firmly within the top top four contenders that's not the case where you are in South Carolina where he remains in low single digits a local South Carolina paper obtained a memo from mm-hmm inside the campaign the Buddha campaign detailing a focus group with black voters some of whom didn't like that he was living with his husband and the report concluded included that quote being gay was a barrier for these voters is mayor Buddha judges struggle with black voters in your state of South South Carolina because because he's guy well that's a generational issue I know of a lot of people my age you feel that way but I will also this dinner my grandson who is twenty I think it's twenty five years old that guy is a big buddha just guide and of of course He does it because he believes in the guy not because he's gay my grandson african-americans issue I'm sorry you're are you saying for older African Americans it is an issue yesterday just no question about that I'm I'm not going to the until you otherwise was I think everybody ah knows that's an issue but I'm saying isn't he she not the way it used to be my own brand son is very much form Oy he is a paid staff working on the campaign working on the campus of HP US throughout South Carolina and so he doesn't care what in about a minute thank you Mr Clyburn thank you so much for your time this morning appreciate it and Democratic candidate Andrew Yang has a plan to pay stay hey at home parents for their work and his message is resonating I'll talk to Yang and his wife Evelyn and the very first joint interview it's an exclusive next hey it's Howard Beck and I've got Chicago Bulls Insider Casey Johnson on bleacher reports the full forty eight for nineteen year old kid he's to me way pass for I thought he would be so I'm buying all the colby white stock right now the full forty eight is available each week on the bleacher report APP and you can subscribe for free at Apple podcasts them back the state of the Union and I'm Dana Bash one one of the most hyped presidential candidate is ending his White House bid and another who was completely unknown a year ago Oh is hitting his stride Andrew Yang Rai- raised an impressive ten million dollars last quarter and his polling has kept him firmly on the debate stage we sat down with a candidate ended and his wife Evelyn in Iowa for their very first joint interview working on a brother we can do it together Andrew Yang couldn't wait for his warm up act to finish over he called this Iowa Gathering Gang Palooza and the rain soaked crowd knows his core message

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House approves sending impeachment articles to the Senate, appoints 7 managers to serve as Senate prosecutors; Newly released letters, texts, notes show Giuliani's push to meet with Ukraine pres; Candidates make final cases to IA voters during CNN debate

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House approves sending impeachment articles to the Senate, appoints 7 managers to serve as Senate prosecutors; Newly released letters, texts, notes show Giuliani's push to meet with Ukraine pres; Candidates make final cases to IA voters during CNN debate

"It's just a few yards but perhaps the most important walk of the year is about to take place. The lead starts right now in just minutes. South's impeachment managers will deliver the articles of impeachment to the US Senate and president trump's trial for abusing his office and obstructing Congress commence they were allegedly tracking her movements possibly even discussing her demise. The house releasing new damning evidence against just Rudy Giuliani and one of his men as they allegedly plotted against the ousted Ukraine ambassador in various ways and much more plus a handshake handshake snub after a heated exchange new information today on why Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. They're friendly packed scenes broken. Welcome to the lead on Jake. Tapper we begin with the politics lead history today on Capitol Hill with a whole new phase in the impeachment of president. Donald trump about to begin and the next hour. We expect to see a historic walk. The newly named house managers the members of Congress who will prosecute the case. Ace against president trump will walk across the capital to notify the Senate that they are ready to deliver the articles of impeachment kicking off the trial of president in trump's Sara Murray reports for us. Now this is only the third such trial in the entire history of the United States is not above the law. Aw He has been impeached. He's been impeached for. They can never erase that. The final chapter of President. Trump's impeachment begins today as two articles of impeachment are set to be transmitted to the Senate House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi unveiled seven impeachment managers including intelligence chairman. Adam Schiff and judiciary chairman chairman Jerry. Nadler the emphasis is on comfort level in the courtroom. The emphasis is making the strongest possible case to protect and defend our Constitution Russian to seek the truth for the American people after presenting the articles to the Senate tonight. The managers will act as the prosecutors for House. Democrats outlining for senators the case against President trump for his role in the Ukraine scandal. After that the president's lawyers will have a chance to present their defense ahead of the vote on house impeachment manager. The Republicans led out whales of protest back when this national nightmare began. This impeachment process has been flawed from the outset. It resembles not a congressional action. It resembles more Dr Seuss book knowing. Not which way it goes the White House. Press Secretary unloaded on Pelosi in a statement saying the speaker speaker lied when she claimed this was urgent and vital to national security because when the articles past she held them for an entire month in an egregious effort to garner political support she failed and the naming of these managers does not change a single thing. President trump has done nothing wrong. Meantime Pelosi suggested. Trump's behavior asking the Ukrainian president to do us a favor. Looked like something from a mob. Boss do me a favor. Do paint houses to what is this. Do me a favor as her fellow. Democrats pressed the Senate for a legitimate trial at any trial that does not allow witnesses trial. It is a cover up now. That Senate trial is expected to begin on Tuesday and Jake. The big unanswered question still is whether senators are going to allow new evidence to be presented at that trial trial including waitresses sir. Murray thanks so much and import effect. Obviously President Trump said. Do us a favor. Not Do me a favor. But I appreciated the reference to the Irishman joining me. Now is Congressman Justin Amash and independent the only Democrat to vote in favor of sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate earlier today congressman. Thanks so much for joining us. There was discussion about you. Being being an impeachment manager considering your unique position as a former Republican congressman Dean Phillips Democrats said. I'm disappointed the congressman. Just in a mosh is not among the managers. This is an attorney former Republican and the only independent member of the House of Representatives. He has articulated the constitutional rationale for impeachment as well as anyone in Congress and his absence is a missed opportunity for a bipartisan. Management Team did Democratic leaders. Ever talked to you about possibly being an impeachment manager. Well I I appreciate the Kind words from Dean But no I never was contacted by any of the Democratic leadership. Would you have been one if they had asked. I would have had the the conversation with the speaker if she wanted to. Have that discussion. And then we talked about the role and whether I would accept that role but without the conversation I couldn't and say. How strong do you think the case is against the president for removal from office in the Senate? I think it's a very strong case. If the senators are are willing to listen so We should have a Senate trial that has a full and fair trial and people should be allowed to call witnesses and I think both sides should be able to call witnesses and end and make the case for their side. Do you think that both sides should be allowed to call witnesses even if that were in to include Republicans calling Joe Biden Hunter Biden or the whistle blower as witnesses. I think if they feel a particular witnesses relevant to the case they should be allowed to call that witness Normally normally in court you might have a judge who would make a determination about relevance. But here you're going to have the chief justice. I don't know that the chief justice is going to get really involved in that but I do think that if they can make the case that any of those individuals is relevant to the case they should be allowed to call those individuals. I suppose they would make the argument. That the whistleblower obviously is the one that prompted all this and in some cases claims to have first hand information was never interviewed by the House and that the Republicans making the argument and that president trump was really actually sincerely concerned about corruption in Ukraine. That Hunter Biden Joe Biden. And what happened in Ukraine. Or what didn't didn't happen Is Relevant. Would you vote for something like that. As long as other witnesses such as Mick Mulvaney John Bolton people from Owen be were were also called I think if they can make a credible claim that those are relevant witnesses than yes. I'd make that trade. I'd be willing to accept some of those witnesses in exchange for are people like Bolton and others. What do you make of your your former Republican colleagues Arguing that president is it in trump was sincerely deeply concerned about corruption in Ukraine. Well there's no evidence of that. I mean Ukraine and receive money previously This seems like something that He brought up because we were in the midst of the start of a presidential election campaign and He clearly early wanted to go after Joe Biden and he was asking for a favor from Ukraine to help him personally when talking about the war powers resolution and and and the president not notifying Congress. About around you said something interesting to rolling stone. You said quote on order NARY legislative matters most members of Congress. Don't think anymore they just follow whatever ever. They're told by their leadership do you. That's kind of a describing a mindless partisanship. Do you see it when it comes to impeachment. Do you see it on one side more than the other. I think it's worse on the Republican side. But I do see it on both sides. I think that if the roles were reversed if you had a democratic president you would see a lot of Democrats Democrats maybe not all the Democrats. But you'd you'd see a lot of Democrats defending the president So I I do see this sort of mindlessness and it's easy to say well. If we were in charge we wouldn't do the same thing whether it's one side or the other but I I've been here for years to see that Partisanship really runs rampant. Here on both sides I have to say just as an American just as somebody who wants to know what happened with this story. I find it incredible that there are people in Congress who don't want to hear from John Bolton who don't want to hear from partners who don't want to find out what happened whether it exonerates the president or not. What do you you say to your former Republican colleagues still colleagues? But you're no longer republican when when. They say they don't want that well. Our job is defined truth for the American people. It's not to root for one side or the other. It's not to root for the President or for Republicans or Democrats grads. We're here to stand up for the American people and Find Truth and defend justice and it's the job of our house members and also of the senators to go in and do justice and impartial. Justice is your job a lonely one these days sir in many respect. Yeah I mean. It's it's tough here our With all the partisanship. That goes on but You Know I. I'm happier now than I've ever been as an independent and I believe I'm doing the right thing representing my district as an independent and I wish more members of Congress would be the same follow the Constitution and represent their constituents Congressman Justin Amash Michigan. Thank you so much for your the time we appreciate it sir. Thanks Jake appreciate it. House Speaker Nancy. Pelosi says she emphasize litigators and comfort in a courtroom when selecting the house impeachment managers but another part of her selection may have an impact well after the senatorial and stay with us. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money well. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office US STAMPS DOT COM instead stamps. Stam's DOT com brings all the services of the post office to you PLUS STAMPS DOT com. 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Hey Kristen ludlow and I'm candace Parker her we've got a new podcast properly called low and parker on our shell you'll hear our takes on the NBA league that we both eat sleep and breathe every day listening in. On one of the League's most plugged invoices in Kristen and not to mention getting into perspective from a two-time WNBA MVP and one of the most decorated athletes to ever play the game and Candice Candice. We talked to some of our friends from around the game pop culture and more search for lead loan Parker and subscribe today. We are back with breaking news this afternoon. The House of Representatives voted on a pretty much party line vote to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate but it is unclear. How exactly that will go down down tonight? When the impeachment managers Democrat seven of them walk over to the Senate side later this hour Senate Republicans are telling us that they're not going to officially accept the articles of impeachment impeachment? They will instead tell the managers come back tomorrow. Then we will formerly receive them house. Democrats are insisting they expect Republicans to accept the articles tonight. Let's chew over all this. I mean this just really is so emblematic of where we are in terms of the Democrats and the Republicans and they can't even agree to accept the articles articles of impeachment. It's silly and it. I think defies the gravity of the moment. I mean it really. Is You know you said earlier and you run up that it really is a historic day. The third impeachment trial of a president of the United States. And this is the type of thing that I think. The public should expect that they could work out out and a phone call beforehand. And that's right. It's the third of the. I was Andrew Johnson in eighteen sixty eight. Then we had to go all the way to one thousand nine hundred nine for Bill Clinton. Nixon was not actually Impeached He resigned before that can happen. Donald Trump. Today it's very historical. It really does seem to bother the president. I certainly understand why when Nancy Pelosi says and I think and she certainly trying to get under his skin. This will never go away. This'll be on this. Will you are forever impeached. And then and then when Chief Justice Roberts sits in the chair and says in the end he'll say before he bangs the gavel and the impeachment trial of Donald John Trump present United States easier by quitted bangs a gavel president. Get to say as well so everybody gets to say their piece. Listen to Speaker Pelosi House. She closed her remarks this morning. The president is not above the law. He will be held accountable. He has been held accountable. He has been impeached. He's been impeached for. They can never erase that. Why do you think she keeps saying that? I mean she's not wrong. It's true I is it just because he knows the Senate will ultimately vote nuts removed from office that that he won't be acquitted and and I think she says it because it's true and and she wants to point out the fact that this did happen and let's not forget it and also gets under trump's skin he really first of all she drives them crazy She's living rent-free in his head all the time and so I know that she she knows that she gets under the skin and so I think that she wants to just keep repeating this as often as possible so that everybody understands that. This is an impeached president. Big Day rate. So you know Chris. CILLIZZA had an article out yesterday or today I it was like she misjudge overplayed her hand right so our last big day. She transmits the articles and then the Senate takes over. So it's our last Hurrah to kind of getting getting the president's head is Kirsten Point. Yeah I do think that. That's up for debate because if ultimately the last Whatever it was twenty eight days of holding up did put enough attention on Republican senators and the question of whether or not they will allow witnesses and we have no idea how that's going to shake out but ultimately Susan Collins Mitt Romney etc during during that four weeks? We're like yeah. Maybe I need to do the witnesses thing then. Maybe she didn't overplay your hand. We could've wrap this up overnight and this thing could have gone away. We had a national conversation about the wisdom of calling witnesses. And the last thing on earth. Jake that Susan Collins and Cory Gardner and Joni Ernst and Senator and Romney senators who are either in tough races or in purplish states want to do is be on the record casting a vote to say they don't want witnesses and had we move straight to the impeachment trial. That wouldn't have happened so this is still an open question. And frankly what you're going to see I think is some deal on witnesses in some way down the road just so those Republicans don't have to cast in Mitt Romney's defense. He's neither for reelection or in a purple state. He just Romney. He's Mitt Romney and information. That's come out which we're going to talk about later. Yeah now they're going into this with which with with more information and with having had a conversation where the majority of the public thinks that we should have witnesses. Jerry let's go go over quickly The WHO the house impeachment managers will be there seven of them. Adam Schiff Jerry. Nadler Hakeem Jeffries. Jason Crowe belief. He's a freshman Valda Main Zoe lofgren. Who was there for the impeachment of Clinton and the near impeachment of Richard Nixon as a staffer and finally Sylvia Garcia? It's a diverse group on in a lot of ways there's also a geographic diversity to them they come from New York Florida Texas Colorado California. That's right and I think the most significant selection is Chairman Schiff Because he has experienced in being an impeachment manager because he was a former prosecutor and because he conducted affective hearings for the witnesses under the House Intelligence Committee as someone who studies the House Intelligence Committee I love the idea of the intelligence committee actually being the public face and the the the the venue through which impeachment hearings were conducted. But I understand why chairmanship had to take those on given the intelligence related collections and the national national security applications of the Ukraine allegation. Just take a listen to one of the tremendous Jerry. Now they're talking about the case for witnesses. It's a Shannon. It doesn't permit the introduction of all relevant witnesses and of all documents that the house wants to introduce because it houses the prosecutor here then the Senate is is engaging in an unconstitutional and disgusting cover up. The Senate is on trial as well as the president. What do you make of that David? So Look Jake. I worked in the Senate during the last appeasement trial right. I worked for Senator Specter's chief-of-staff with Scottish law thing was your idea right. Exactly that was not an idea I can tell you that the gravity it will it. It does settle in When they when they the senators go and they take their oath of off they take their oath and and sit in those seats so that away in but but there will be a very robust debate as two witnesses it during the Clinton impeachment? There's an incredibly robust exchange about who they're going to call what they were gonNA call how long it was going to last. What what this burden? The proof is for removing the president. Right what is the burden of proof. What do senators determine is it? We are proponents or the evidence. Is that beyond a reasonable doubt. I mean there are lots of big question difference in the big the difference David in one thousand nine hundred nine Lott and Daschle. The leaders of the Senate met the night. The Howard spoke on the night. The house out of work. This all out so you. You don't have that here. I think it's much more of a food fight on the floor. McConnell relationship is is not comedy across across all and events. Let's stay stay here. We got more to talk next new evidence of potential sinister plot involving Rudy Giuliani Ukraine. How it may only add to the push for witnesses in documents in the upcoming Senate impeachment trial? Stay with us. Hi Everyone. I'm poppy harlow were out with a new. You boss files episode Fashion Designer Eileen Fisher. She sees her brand platform and her employees encouraging her to stand up on social issue. Looting climate chain. She's a leading voice on environmental sustainability in the fashion industry. Also her take on profit sharing she owns sixty percenter Jennifer Company and her employees owned the rest plus her advice for all of us as parents out there what she wishes she done differently as a the mother and how Eileen Fisher uses meditation the Guide her work and her life here at all on. Boston subscribed today stunning new documents. Letters text messages in our politics lead providing more possible possible evidence that in the midst of his push wish to dig up dirt however accurate about Joan Hunter Biden trump attorney rudy. Giuliani pushed to meet with the Ukrainian president with President. Trump's permission handwritten notes by his since indited associate left detail the urgency of their campaign to convince the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden's the texts also feature a Republican congressional candidate discussing how the former US ambassador to Ukraine was seemingly under surveillance and making a vague threatening comment about the price to handle handle her comments that that congressional candidate is now on twitter describing as texts to my buddies and I wrote back to some we. We were playing with that we met a few times while we had a few drinks unquote though the ambassador. Marie Ivanovich has called the tax disturbing and is asking for an investigation as C. N. N.'s. Alex Marquardt art reports trove of explosive new evidence reveals a deeper darker role. That Rudy Giuliani and his team played in Ukraine for president. President Trump handwritten notes text messages and letters tended over by Giuliani's associate left. Parnassus was now under federal indictment allegedly show a more sinister effort to get dirt on Joe Biden and exert power in Ukraine House. Democrats are hoping the documents will be used in the impeachment trial and they say it it may just be a glimpse of what is out there. We have only obtained a very small sample of the universe of documents that the president is withholding on a hotel notepad Oh pad scribbled get president's Alinsky to announce the Biden case will be investigated. Giuliani accused of leading an irregular channel with Ukraine was also reaching out to the new Ukrainian president himself. This newly released letter from Giuliani requesting a meeting quote in my capacity as personal counsel counsel to President Trump and with his knowledge and consent. There is no fobbing this off on others. The president was the architect of this scheme. Part of that Scheme Democrat. Let's say was Giuliani's drive to get US ambassador. Marie Ivanovich removed disturbing angry and vitriolic text messages. Now Show Parnis in touch with with Robert Hyde. A Republican Congressional candidate in Connecticut. Who suggests there is surveillance of the ambassador? They are moving her tomorrow. Hyde says on March twenty fifth. She's next to the embassy. He says later hide also appears to offer parnis something nefarious referencing unknown. People willing to help adding guess. I guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money. Robert Hi has come out swinging on twitter denying. He was ever in Kiev claiming he was only playing with partners now. Hyde says he welcomes an investigation but as he has not yet been contacted by investigators. Jake one law enforcement official has told CNN that the FBI the I.. And Federal prosecutors are indeed looking into hides role in Ukraine. Jake Alex Marquardt. Thanks so much Let's chat about this so so let me start with you. L. A.. Because in his letter to presidents. Alinsky this this was turned over. Left Barnett's Giuliani emphasizes. Quote a private counsel the President Donald J just to be precise I represent him as a private citizen but not as president of the United States but later in the same letter he writes in my capacity as personal counsel to President Trump with his knowledge and consent. I request a meeting being with you okay. They're trying to have it both ways. They've tried to have it both ways from the beginning either rudy. Giuliani is an arm of the State Department. or He's the president's private the attorney there is no universe he has said both he has said he's both right and here's the thing we want to win. Were three attorneys here. We want to encourage the proper exercise. The attorney client privilege for things that are between an attorney and their client not on domestic political errands. That Rudy Giuliani was on now. And what they're trying to do is use the attorney client privilege voyage as a as sort of this sword for misconduct and it's not appropriate. It carries both legal and ethical implications. And what do you expect at this point. But it's also I mean they're they're not doing it just for legal reasons doing it because they're trying to pretend this was just foreign policy. When in fact the problem with it is that it wasn't foreign policy it was is not the foreign policy of the United States tooth withholding this aid and this was done in furtherance of Donald Trump's personal interests political interests in that letter? Or if that's what he's saying he's saying that he's doing this in his personal interest in his capacity as his personal lawyer wants a meeting with the president really undermine their argument. I can't say look I'm your attorney. Hey let's go kill somebody. Oh it's attorney client privilege. Sorry we can't talk about it. That's just not how it works. And that's what they were trying to do here. It's David what do you make of all this stuff. Have you ever heard of this guy before. I have not heard of him until today. I think obviously I'm sure Mr getting a knock at his door from the FBI. Some some of the things that he obviously troubling. If it's the diplomat you're talking about and the things that are that are in those in those messages are troubling troubling and very seriously I need to be investigated the clinic. The head of the Connecticut. Republican Party tweeted today. Just just before this show. I don't know if we we've asked him to not run run for Congress yet. Hydro had some choice words for him on on on the flipside carry. Let's just go over to some of the things again. Just to remind people. He was sending so high. Whoever this gentleman is the landscape landscape from Connecticut and there's lots of pictures of him with Republicans of note although who knows if that's meaningful or just rope lines but in any case he says about Van Ambbassador Ianovich she quote? She talked to three people. Her phone is off computers off. She's next to the embassy not in the embassy private security. You been there since Thursday then texted quote the address. I sent you sending to the address I sent you check out. It's next to the embassy. They're willing to help if we you would like a price. I guess you could do anything in Ukraine with money. What I was told? Yeah I mean so. They're look at sure. Looks from those tax messages and those messages going back and forth that he had some kind of Communications with people who were doing physical surveillance who had is on the ambassador. It's really quite frightening. I mean when we think about it as has that this was a sitting ambassador. Her security really was threatening. I have a hard time believing his story that he's putting out today. I'm joking but he I was just joking around. This is very detailed information and I would think that it's something that absolutely needs to be investigated as to whether or not he was putting this ambassador oscillator in a threatening environment but beyond that I really think that the letter that was exp- that has now come to Giuliani letter. That is absolutely central central to the impeachment issue. Whether or not he was using the president was using his access Rudy Giuliani. There was his proxy using his has access to the president of Ukraine using the official capacity way personal private letter. And it's right there in the letter I was just GonNa say the level of detail tail and that information about the ambassadors very frightening yeah deserves. I wouldn't even know how to make jokes like that. I mean just about like to get a computer is offer. Phone is off is. This is a certain sophistication the stuff in movies. The president's supporters all grown de when there was this allegation of witness intimidation. This was all going on. She's going to go through through some stuff so everyone stick around. That's right president. said the president says she's been go through some stuff talk about awkward the explanations today after Senator Elizabeth Warren passed on the handshake offered from Senator Bernie Sanders after the debate last night one in the world where they talking about there was no help. Stay with us the twenty twenty today. Senator Amy Klobuchar says that. There's a double standard for women in politics. But she also says she's the best candidate to be president president of the United States. There were only two women on the six candidate debate stage last night with maybe the biggest moment when Elizabeth Warren pointed out that the women on the stage age had never lost an election while the four men on stage had lost ten and as C. N. N.'s. Jeff Zeleny reports. Last night's debate also showcased some of the tensions between Senator Bernie Sanders and Warren over their conversation about whether a woman could defeat. President trump. Welcome tonight's candidates. A day day after the Democratic presidential debate in Iowa this moment is still being dissected Elizabeth Warren Approaching Bernie Sanders. Something clearly on your mind sending a signal. Their feud is far from over while walking away without a handshake after de escalating days of simmering tension. Earlier onstage Bernie as my friend and I am not here to try to fight with Bernie warrant sought to raise a concern with sanders. His campaign said parades declined to say more preferring to keep the spotlight on whether a woman can win the White House. Look at the men on the stage collectively. They have lost ten elections the only people on this stage who have one every single election that they've been in are the women nineteen days. Before the Iowa caucuses opened. The voting in the Democratic primary. The race is a free for all with no no clear front runner. Joe Biden trying to showcase strength in the commander in chief test available slamming president trump's rationale for killing. Iran's top military commander. I I think he flat out lied about saying the reason he went after the reason he made the strike was because our embassies were about to be bombed but under fire from sanders not only voted against the UAE. Help lead the effort against that. Wall Biden still reconciling his two thousand to vote for the Iraq war repeating a false claim that he opposed the war from the moment of invasion rather than three years later. It was a mistake in vote. But I think my record overall on every everything we've done I'm prepared to compare it to anybody on the stage Pete. Buddha judge arguing foreign policy judgment is more important than decades of experience. It's going to take a view to the future as well as the readiness to learn from the lessons of the past and for me those lessons of the past or personal and and fighting to break into the top tier. Amy Klobuchar also argued for a reality check for some of those progressive proposals talking about Senator warned Senator Sanders but Jacob. was that an extraordinary exchange. There that was most US remarkable. Probably because they formed nonaggression pact a year ago but it may be remarkable because it's lasted this long. Think back to the vitriol between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton this does is not approach that the question is how voters view this particularly women voters nineteen days before Iowa and progressives that. I'm hearing from on twitter as well very much. A banner moment for president trump and his presidency coming as his impeachment. Trial is about to begin. Stay with us in our politics today. House managers the house. Impeachment managers are just moments away from presenting the articles of impeachment to the US Senate. The White House is deciding right now how best to fight back as CNN's Kaitlan Collins reports with the stage set for president trump's impeachment trial White House officials say. They're ready for a fight but one question remains unanswered who exactly will be doing. The fighting sources Celsius trump made a final decision about whether to include some of his fiercest Republican defenders on his team. I'm not going to get ahead of. What are our counsel's office offices preparing for on a call with reporters today? A senior administration official repeated trump suggestion for an outright dismissal though Republicans say that's not likely likely there is little or no sentiment in Republican Conference for motion to dismiss despite one Republican senator saying yesterday it's hard to imagine the trial will be over whereby the state of the Union. The White House predicts the trial won't last longer than two weeks. The House took its final steps on impeachment today. The president held a signing ceremony. Ramona for what he says is the initial phase of a broader trade deal with China and some of the Congressmen may have a vote. And I know it's on the impeachment hoax. Channa is agreeing to increase purchases of American products and services by at least two hundred billion dollars over the next years while easing some tariffs on American products products. But the deal does not reverse the three hundred sixty billion dollars in existing tariffs on Chinese imports. Pushing up costs that some. US companies have complained about together. We are writing. The wrongs of the past and delivering a future of economic justice and security designing comes after months of escalating tariffs in a trade war. Some feared would never end. Most people thought this could never happen now. Jake some people have said this agreement that the the president signed today seems more like a ceasefire than an end to this trade war that you've seen playing out since he took office but as a sign of how much the markets are welcoming this trade deal l.. Today this phase one that they've signed the Dow closed above twenty nine thousand points just now for the first time in history some good economic news Kaelin Collins. Thank you so much joining me now. Democratic Senator Chris coons of Delaware Senator. Thanks for joining us in about fifteen minutes. We're expecting the house impeachment managers to walk the articles of impeachment over to the Senate. Now we don't know if this new evidence that we reported on earlier from Rudy Giuliani's associate left is going to be included in the impeachment trial ultimately molly showed it well. Jake thanks for the chance to be on. All of us know that trials typically have witnesses and evidence and particularly really where one of the core issues in the trial president trump's campaign to block congress's legitimate investigation is part of what's at issue. I'll remind remind you the two articles of impeachment the first one abusive power the second obstruction of Congress Those are rooted in both president. Trump's alleged actions to who try and compel or shakedown Ukraine to investigate without foundation his leading Democratic rival Joe Biden and the second a response to the fact that he blocked his closest advisers and cabinet officials from testifying so there should be more evidence available here at trial and these latest details from left. Parnasse are pretty striking and a reminder of how it really might add to the weight of these impeachment articles. Your colleague Senator Susan Collins Republican of Maine says that the fact that these documents were just asked revealed suggests that the House investigation was incomplete in the house. Democrats did an incomplete job. What do you make of that argument? That this testimony from Bolton Alton e mails from Duffy Mulvaney. All of this should have been part of the house impeachment case and not the Senate trial for you guys to uncover. Well I sort of misses the point. That a part of why these documents weren't available part of why the most important testimony from senior administration officials who were in the room at the time time the president was making these decisions is because the president himself blocked them. That didn't happen before. President Clinton even President Nixon directed acted their senior advisors. There cabinet officials to cooperate with what became their impeachment inquiries. So let's not miss the point The key issue here as to why this this evidence wasn't available in the house was because it was blocked. The other issue here is timing. The core issue is that president trump is alleged nice to have sought foreign interference in our upcoming twenty twenty election. The first votes will be cast in Iowa here just in a few weeks. There is an urgency to moving forward. It is a result and so when some of my Republican colleagues had said to me and our conversations. Why didn't the house seek a subpoena for example for John Bolton the house managers? I suspect. We'll say to us in the Senate trial that they were concerned that if they took months and months to lift gate the question of the subpoena the next election would already be upon us. Some Republicans have been saying that if witnesses such as John Bolton are called a than Hunter Biden and others should be well now. I know you disagree with that. But but what matters more is if there are four Republicans that will join you and the other forty six Democrats to demand witnesses but not like Hunter Biden witnesses are there are there for Republicans with you on this. Well we don't know yet or certainly I don't know yet. There are a number of Republicans who've made intriguing public statements. It's about how they think we should hear from John Bolton or they think we might consider witnesses but public reporting at this point is that all of them are on board with having the first two weeks of the trial having essentially opening arguments opening statements by the house managers and then whatever defense president trump is gonna put on and then consider the question of if we need to hear from additional witnesses. That strikes me is putting the cart before the horse. But if that's what fifty-one centers will vote for. That's what majority leader. McConnell will Democratic Senator Chris coons of Delaware. Thank you so much for your time Sir. Always a surprise move from Russia in today's world lead read when most of its government resigned came right after President Vladimir Putin proposed a plan that would weaken the powers of his successor and turn the new prime minister. Mr would call the shots. More of the shots at least and that person could be Putin when his term as president ends in two thousand twenty. Four the outgoing prime minister Dmitry Medvedev said his resignation. Asian today clears the way for Putin's plans to take effect Medvedev's exit also means that the entire cabinet under him must leave as well. We're standing by for Speaker Pelosi to formally sign the articles of impeachment. Why we may see a tense moment? Play out when those articles delivered to the Republican led Senate. That's next stay with us any moment house speaker Nancy. Pelosi will sign the articles of impeachment. And then the seven house impeachment managers were told Walk over to the Senate side and attempted deliver the articles to the Senate Chamber curious. In what what are you looking to see in the coming hours and days when it comes to the impeachment so I guess I mean in the immediate we need to see when the Republicans will receive the articles of enrichment. So I mean we we. We assume that they will. We just don't know when that will be And I think the biggest question is whether or not there is going to be witnesses. And we're not going to know that for a little while because it is a sort of foregone conclusion unless something spectacular happens that we'd have predicted that he'll he'll be acquitted but but having the witnesses I think could still be very meaningful and it still could have a lot of impact. What do you think what are what are you looking for? I think the big thing and senator coons touched on this like we can't look past the president's role in obstructing this proceeding and this goes back. This is not nineteen ninety nine obstructing the impeachment from the beginning. We've I've not seen documents. Agencies have not turned people over to testify and and look this level of obstruction predates the impeachment proceeding even in the House. From the beginning the administration the president is trying to work and so we are here in part because this is not one thousand nine hundred nine even Bill Clinton provided documents and testimony and so on there's a very different impeachment proceedings twenty one years ago Senator Tom Harkin in the Senate Democrat said that his first objection in the impeachment proceedings trial of pressing Clinton was. We're not jurors stop calling US jurors because we're more than that were judge Moore like judges and Rehnquist agreed. One of the points that he was trying to make was that this is more than one man. This is about what the country what precedents are being set. What presidents do you think that the current you assign it's going to set well? They are They do take an independent oath. That's different than the regular oath when they are sitting in this capacity and so they really do need to think about the facts that are at issue that whether or not they are. We're GONNA set a historic precedent that it is either okay or it's not okay for a president to use his his official position to obtained political information and abuse his foreign policy authority and if the members of the Senate can really think about that factual scenario uh-huh and the historical precedent that it sets. I think it will set the tone for how they vote on whether there should be witnesses and how they conduct themselves throughout the trial. David David the president is supposed to be in Davos next week when the impeachment trial gets under way I feel like he might not go just based on like his reluctance to leave eve especially when his reputation is going to be torn asunder. What do you think so? The president is has declined to last minute that in previous his trip. So we'll have to see. I think the one thing that the Bill Clinton did which I think this administration will do is counter programming right. You see it today. And the president signed this trade deals trade deal bill. I step with the Chinese which is a big deal. Dow closed in about twenty nine thousand points for the first time. Now lots of news. It's not going to be impeachment related every day. I think you'll see that you'll see it every day during the impeachment and we should just know that that is an economics economist. I was talking to earlier. It's a good deal. Maybe not maybe he said maybe wasn't worth worth the pain but ultimately a better deal. Listen I it really cracks down on the theft of intellectual property technology transfer. Lots of things that interest uh-huh talented are agreed to across the aisle across both both houses of Congress. So that's pretty impressive. All right everyone thank you so much appreciate it. You can follow me on facebook on instagram on twitter at Jake Tapper. You can tweet the show at the lead C._N._N.. Our coverage on C._N._N.. Continues Right. Now thank you so much for joining us. 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President Trump Did It Again

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President Trump Did It Again

"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast he did it again president trump on the south lawn of the White House today before he departed for Florida sort of hearkens back to what we saw him do as a candidate in July of two thousand sixteen. You'll remember when he said Russia. If you're listening dig into Hillary Clinton's sounds emails well today he did that with China. He didn't say China if you're listening but he said that China should investigate his political critical rival the Biden's Joe Biden Hunter Biden his son as you know because you've read the transcript and you've seen the impeachment inquiry begin in earnest just the president's asking of the Ukrainian president on a telephone call to investigate the Biden's is the very heart of the matter of the impeachment inquiry right now and now the president is just adding countries. It seems to the to the tally so while in the midst of of an impeachment inquiry centred on him asking a foreign leader to investigate the Biden's he asked another foreign country China to investigate the Biden silence. This shouldn't come as too much of a surprise for folks because he's been telegraphing his interest in China portion of this story as well. We claims without proof that Hunter Biden took one point five billion dollars out of China when no other funds could get money out of China Hunter. Biden's spokesperson has a push push back on that and explained that at the time Vice President Biden was vice president Hunter Biden was making no money out of his arrangement in China so again. Donald Trump to the world on national television used the power of the United States Presidency Agency to call on a foreign nation to investigate a domestic political opponent of his you know that'll be up to the members of the house else that right up articles of impeachment as to whether or not that is abuse of power. It'll be up to the United States Senate as a jury to acquit or convict him. If indeed that is is an article of impeachment but it is certainly hard to argue that this behavior fits anywhere in the constitutional norms of our country. I want you to hear for yourself. Here was president trump in his own words on the South Lawn today well. I would think that if they were honest about it that sort of major investigation the Bison so very simple answer they should investigate to buy because how does a company that's duly formed and all these companies take a look at it and by the way likewise China should start an investigation into the budget because what happened in China is just just about as bad as what happened with with Ukraine so I would say that President Alinsky if it were me I I would recommend that they start an investigation into devices because nobody has any doubt that they weren't working. That was their crooked deal. A hundred percent they had no knowledge of energy didn't know the first thing about it all of a sudden. He's getting fifty thousand dollars. A month was a lot of other things nobody has any any doubt and they got rid of a prosecutor who is a very tough prosecutor. They got rid of now. They're trying to make it the opposite way but they got rid so if I were the president. I would certainly recommend that of you now. I don't think the president did this by accident. At all. I think he's trying to do a couple of things here one he's clearly trying to be the country's news organizations assignment editor and everyone going and doing stories on Hunter Inter Biden's business dealings in Ukraine and China. There's little doubt about that. That's crystal clear but I also think that by by doing this in public you know this isn't a phone call. He got caught on and the transcript was released. He's trying to say this is how much there's nothing nothing wrong with what I'm doing. I'm saying right here out in the open. This is how it how it can't be an impeachable offense. Why would I be committing impeachable offense here on the South Lawn of the White House in front of television cameras so it's sort of the argument I think he's making by doing it by exhibiting this behavior and it is to muddy the waters and to have this become as much a partisan food fight as possible so that the dramatic revelation of the president using his office on a phone call with a foreign leader and also also withholding foreign aid from that country at the time within ask they investigators political rival. He's trying to make that seem just normal and okay and and it's clearly not there's nothing normal about it but that's the president's goal here so by adding China by doing on the South Lawn. He's normalizing that behavior therefore he is trying to make it into just a partisan food fight rally republicans around him. Make sure there are no cracks there and then beat beat back these charges the way that he beat back molar attacking the prosecutor attacking the members of Muller's team trying to who politicize it as much as possible so people viewed it through their partisan lenses and by the way it might work. We did see that the partisan lenses dictated how Americans viewed the entirety of the Mueller investigation in our recent poll on impeachment. We did see some movement among among Republicans but we'll have to see whether that's just temporary in the immediate aftermath of those revelations or if that's a permanent shift donald trump might be trying to get every partisan. I'm back into their corner on this issue because that will be firmer footing for him from which he can fight this impeachment inquiry. He is a master at trying to muddy the waters. Give his supporters something to rally around and polarize and create as much partisan tension as possible so that there is not a consensus in the body politic about his behavior that it is always sort of depending from where you are how you see it again. There is nothing normal about this behavior. There is zero as the Republican congressman. Mike Mike Turner said the other day in the hearing with deny Mr President you know to you on that phone. Call that phone call was not okay. That's what the Republican Republican Mike Turner said neither is it okay for the price of the United States to call on China a country in which he's engaged in a massive trade war and in courage them to investigate his domestic political opponent that is not okay either and it certainly gives more fodder for the Democrats as they pursue their impeachment inquiry but it is also going to provide donald trump a more polarized universe in which he can engage in this battle and that's where he likes to be so I would would not dismiss this as like Oh. My God Donald Trump Jr just put his own nail in his coffin. I don't think that's clear at all from what he did today. I think he knows exactly what he was doing today so once again sort of shredding constitutional norms but don't misconstrue that with certain right and political defeat in the impeachment battle. They're two very different things that does it for this edition of the daily. DC thank you all so much for listening hope. 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"All right good morning. Everyone and welcome to A. M. Joy while you've been worrying about whether to get into an uber or go to the theater or stay home from work and perhaps fretting over whether the trump administration is competent to keep you safe in the midst of this rapidly growing corona virus outbreak. Here's what the folks running the country of up to just last week as states began reporting Corona Virus Cases Donald Trump and Mike pence who trump put in charge of overseeing the corona virus response. We're both at CPAC. We're we're now learning and attendee tested positive just this weekend just one day. After Florida officials announced the death of two people from Gerona virus including one in the district of Congressman Matt Gates who mocked the outbreak by wearing a gas mask on the House floor. Mike Pence thought it was a good idea to travel the palm beach. The PAL around at the RNC's spring retreat. Donald Trump also sauntered down to Florida where he continued his habit of cozying up to autocrats by inviting. Brazil's president to mar-a-lago little supper. And let's not leave out your secretary of state as this is a global crisis here. He is on social media mocking the pinkie promises. Senator Elizabeth Warren made with little girls who might some day want to be President? Perfect according to trump. It's all still just business as usual rally tremendous rallies and we're doing very well and we've done a fantastic with respect to that subject on the virus you know. We've had tremendous cooperation with other countries and all over the world. We've made it very very very strong. Very stringent borders concerned. Yeah except that new reporting underscores. Just how chaotic and inadequate their response has been from the trump White House. A federal official tells the Associated Press the White House. Get this overruled. Health officials who wanted to recommend that seniors not fly due to concerns about the increased vulnerability the Washington Post has this headline squandered time how the trump administration lost control of the corona virus crisis and the New York Times. This headline that denotes utter confusion at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue quote inside trump administration. Debate raged over what to tell the public now. This is a sharp contrast with state officials who've been taking the most aggressive steps in clamping down on the spread of the virus including New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo who in the last twenty four hours declared a state of emergency due to rising numbers of infected people and warn people right here on MSNBC not to trust with the president and his administration are saying but to look to the facts and to follow public health officials advice instead. Washington DC in Virginia are now reporting their first cases including a US marine who had recently returned from overseas and in Italy one of the hardest hit countries. Two hundred and thirty people have already died. Grown virus sixteen million people in the northern region of that country are under quarantine the equivalent of quarantine quarantining the entire populations of New York City Los Angeles and Chicago joining me now from London. Richard Engel NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent. He's a special report on. Msnbc tonight which you should watch on the corona virus outbreak in Richard. We know now that the number of cases worldwide has now topped one hundred thousand one hundred and seven thousand three hundred and fifty two cases. Is there a sense of whether this is still primarily emerging out of China or Europe? Really become now the epicenter of where these cases are located. Well I've been speaking to virologists and experts over the last several weeks again. I spoke to one just a few minutes ago. Frankly speaking those numbers don't mean very much those numbers the hundred thousand or so are only the cases that have been found so far and it's all about testing Not much testing has been going on around. The world and four countries primarily. Are the ones where we know that. There are big outbreaks Iran Italy China and South Korea but most other countries simply aren't looking aggressively. There have been outbreaks. Small outbreaks cases reported in Egypt for example but Egypt is not conducting testing on a mass scale. So we have really no idea of knowing if that number which is put out by the W. H. O. The World Health Organization of one hundred thousand cases more or less is Is comprehensive it is. It is all accurate. It is the accurate information that they have the number of reported cases. But we don't know how big the pool is. What's happening in Italy right now? I think Italy could be a sign of of what is what is to come. They quarantined a quarter of their population overnight because they started testing more people and they went from around one thousand known cases to five thousand known cases over the weekend just because they started putting out more tests and they wanted to get a more comprehensive picture of what they were dealing with. Their response was to seal off most of central and northern Italy. That at that is that is terrifying. But let's talk about the. I'm glad you mentioned the whol. Let me put it. The number of cases in the United States that we know of four hundred and forty six cases. One thousand nine hundred th so far and that is based on states reporting out their own cases and you mentioned the. Who Do you have any reporting on why it is that the United States did not utilize the same testing regime? That you're talking about the whol regime. It doesn't feel like we did that and we could have done it or am I wrong about that. No there there. There's a lot that goes into that question some of it goes to the CDC with the desire by the CDC to use its own tests There are commercially available tests There is a company that has an office in the. Us has offs in Germany. That makes a commercially viable test. It has already been used in some African countries but the because of the old traditions of the CDC wants to produce its own product. It has been it has been insisting on coming up with a domestically test now. One could say it's more reliable one could say that as a good standard to to practice but the CDC has been struggling to come up with an accurate test. Have been a number of of missteps that it has been Encountering as it has been on the road to doing that so The testing issue is a serious one. there are commercially viable Tests but the the CD is is has its own strategy. Which is you could look back and say. That is the right approach. You could say when in a crisis mode maybe the CD. She should stop trying to produce. Its own and take the one that's already known and known to work It's a the one that works three part test and if all three test results that you take come hot then you have the that you have. Covert nineteen the disease caused by this corona virus. And as far as I understand talking to two experts it is a highly accurate test that has been used in in certain African countries before it has been used in the states because of the CDC's guidelines. Wow it is a rollicking crisis English news on the best reporting on it. I would highly recommend following him on twitter and watching your report tonight. Richard Engel thank you so much really appreciate you taking some time this morning. Thank you thank you joining me now is Robinson Meyer. He's one of the reporters of a report in the Atlantic which breaks down state by state. How many people have been tested? It's very important how many people have been tested as you know how many people actually have it and thank you so much for being here. Robinson. I'm going to read a little bit of your report from the Atlantic which everyone I recommend reading and You you and your partner and writing this right. The Atlantic could only verify that one thousand eight hundred and ninety five people have been tested for the corona virus in the United States about ten percent. Of whom have tested positive and while the American capacity to test for the krona virus has ramped up significantly over past few days. Local officials can still test only several thousand people day not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands indicated by the White House by the White House's promises we just heard Richard Angles say that once testing began in earnest in Italy. They've wound up quarantining a best quarter of their population. How can you just put in context for US? The significance of the fact that we're just not testing very many people in the US. Yeah absolutely and thank you for having me by the so what we know. Is that the first community case. The first case of community transmission of Corona virus in the United States was at this point anything ten days ago. It was the last Wednesday two Wednesdays ago and can just pass you right there. Community transmission means what community transition means that. The virus is circulated among Americans who did not travel abroad and who did not have any contact with someone who travels abroad so it means people are walking into the hospital or to a doctor's office obviously sick cope in nineteen with no known contact with anyone else. Who's had it so that means that it's like circulating out there and we don't know how many people have it so we had our first case two Wednesdays ago. I eight nine days right. So within seven days of South Korea having identified the first case of Transmission. They had tested about a more than ten thousand. There were testing ten thousand people a day and they had tested overall more than sixty six thousand people at this point based on my partner. Lexin on my reporting we think the US at the end of the day. Friday had tested twenty eight hundred people so we are. We have tested fewer people overall since we discover community transmission in the United States and South. Korea was testing per day within a week of discovering entity transmission. So that's how far behind the US is lagging on this challenge. Yeah I mean the issue is in New York state of emergency. You did have a person who is an uber or shared ride driver. Who's tested positive? You have cases that are starting to frighten people about maybe getting into a car or going to the theater. People being worried. But if you don't know if you're not testing enough people is is the is the risk there that you just don't know how many people have at period so that you could have unknown risk. People still going to work people still going to the mall. That kind of thing is that. What the risk is. Yeah exactly it's until we know. How large outbreak is. It's very you political leaders. Don't have the decisions. They need to kind of impose restrictions on travel or restrictions on on public places or to advise for instance adults from leaving the house if they have certain conditions for instance right. Now we think the largest outbreak is in Seattle and we think this for two reasons. The first is that there are the most positive cases kind of around Seattle and in Washington state. And the second is that. There's this genetic study which found that based on mutations in the virus that has been identified in Seattle That it has been circulating there for some time like that strain is not related to any strings we see anywhere else in the world but there's also been nearly the most tested in Washington. I think it's the second they tested the second most of any state and there's no other public version of this genetic mutation test so we think that the biggest outbreak is in Seattle. But that's based on information that we really don't have for many other states. Yeah let me before I let you go. I wanted to let you listen to Dr Anthony Out. She's the top scientists that the administration is using right number. You quickly. He was on meet the press earlier this morning. Take a listen. We really are accelerating dramatically. I mean early on there. Were some missteps with regard to the test and some technical aspects to it but right now I believe one point one million tests have already been sent out By Monday they'll be an additional four hundred thousand and by the end of next week probably around four million this testing an individual doctor a physician. Who wants to know if a person is infected or not that physician has the responsibility of asking for the test and getting it and is another aspect of testing. We do surveillance in the country to determine if there under the radar screen a number of individuals. Both of those things are going to be going on now at full speed very quickly and it's kind of shocking to me to have to ask this about somebody as respected as Dr Anthony Thoug- but do you believe what he just said. I would say the Duggar. Algae is one of the most trusted voices in the government and and is receiving more information than me. What I'd say is that he said that the millions of tests have one point. Five million tests have gone out. There's a difference between the tests obviously going out and being able to deliver results and I'd say that right now certainly the US the US the FDA has said that it has cleared these restrictions on who can get tested. What we have heard. Is that still in hospitals. In doctor's offices it is not always possible for patients who who's doctors want to get them tested to actually secure a test and it's like Sir that's because the FDA's mornings in some cases are messages have to circle through multiple rounds of government. Yeah Robinson thank you very much really recommend everyone read your piece in the Atlantic. Thank you very much. Thank you all right and coming up. It is not the first time. Believe it or not that our government has downplayed. The dangers of a rapidly spreading virus. That is next over the last long period of time. The flu the common flu. You know this right. From Twenty seven thousand to seventy thousand people get infected and many people die think. Nobody knew that I didn't know that. Three or four weeks ago sitting down and said what are we lose with the regular food they said about twenty seven thousand minimum goes up to seventy sometimes even eighty one year went up to one hundred thousand people. Nobody told me that nobody knows that. No no no. People do know that As bizarre and potentially injurious to public health as Donald Trump's statements about corona buyers have been. I mean it actually is well known that the flu can be fatal. People do know that trump is toward the growing epidemic is actually not novel in American History. Back in one thousand nine hundred a lethal highly contagious version of the h one n one virus. That likely came from birds and was lerone. Asli nicknamed the Spanish flu killed between fifty and one hundred million people worldwide including six hundred. Seventy five thousand Americans more Americans than were killed in the Korean War the Vietnam War and both World Wars combined. It was and remains among the deadliest pandemics in human history. The flu broke out while the United States was knee deep in World War One and the president at the time. Woodrow Wilson was determined to keep morale up and this is going to sound familiar. Avoid panic part of his efforts included urging Congress to pass the sedition act which made it punishable with twenty years in prison to quote utter print. Write or publish any disloyal profane scurrilous or abusive language about the US government or the war effort a law that ultimately suppressed reporting about the pandemic while public health officials falsely claimed that there was no cause for alarm and the Spanish flu was just ordinary influenza and joining me now is Michael Beschloss President Presidential Historian for NBC News and the author of President of war. It's great to talk with you even in these odd circumstances Michael. Thank you so I want to read a little bit of this. A piece from the Washington Post. This is trump ignoring the lessons of the nineteen. Eighteen flu pandemic says in Philadelphia. Local officials were planning the largest parade in the city's history. This is back in one thousand nine hundred just before. The scheduled event about three hundred returning soldiers started spreading the virus in the city. The parade was held in forty eight hours later. Spanish flu slammed the city. Even schools were closed and public. Gatherings were banned. City officials claimed it wasn't a public health measure in there was no cause for alarm eventually more than twelve thousand five hundred residents died according to the Philadelphia Inquirer this desire by the Wilson Administration to squash panic into not let people know what was happening literally resulted in people being killed and I think about Donald Trump. They're still having CPAC. They're still doing event. Maybe they'll still do rallies. It feels familiar to me at woodrow. Wilson is probably the great negative historical example of how presidents should manage a pandemic because people got sick and a military installation in Kansas and Wilson was told by his medical people. Don't ship them to Europe because this pandemic is going to spread. Wilson said. It's much more important to proceed with. The war. Effort was worried that the president would become unpopular of the government become an unpopular and the result was that they were put on ships and very close borders. There were later called coffin ships because they were so close together that the disease spread a lot of people died got to Europe. The illnesses spread through Europe under strict censorship. There wasn't very much known about it and the reason it was called the Spanish flu because Spain was a neutral country and reported on cases as some of these other countries did not and so it took on this misnomer of Spanish flu. But Wilson was just a terrible manager of this. I mean for instance. There was a nursing shortage because a lot of the nurses were working on soldiers who were at the front and there were many trained. African American nurses who are available under the ages of Woodrow. Wilson's terrible racism. The African American nurses. Yeah and there's even a story in the Smithsonian magazine about how just as you're talking about these soldiers then come back to Kansas and spread it in Kansas. Because they wouldn't tell people this idea of not reporting because you don't want the numbers to be high. That's something that Wilson did. Donald Trump is doing now the idea of trying to keep the numbers. Falsely LOW IS IN ITSELF POOR MANAGEMENT. Because we just don't know how far it's spreading. I think that's what scares a lot of people. That's IT and Wilson was recommended by his advisors. The medical ones to say there should be quarantines Wilson said no quarantines they said. Why don't you give a speech on the subject and Tell Americans? What's going on so that they can prepare protect themselves. Wilson said No. It's more time you know. I think that would be bad for morale and he even said in private. It's a bad thing that so many people are dying of influenza. But maybe they will hasten the end of World War One of the World War and therefore save a few lives. Wow let me play. Donald Trump doing his version of the Wilson. Sort of. Pretend that it's not that it's all going well here. He is totally under control. We think it's going to have a very good ending for us so that I can assure you it's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear the global death rate at three point four percent. We'll take three point. Four percent is false number. It's GONNA work out. Everybody has to become aware we take care of gum. Because it'll go away. Donald trump doesn't listen to historians. Unfortunately but he does watch TV IF HE HAPPENS TO BE HATE watching this morning. Can you speak to him from the historical point of view about how this goes when you try to essentially pretend that a crisis is not a crisis? Well the the Wilson example and many others suggest that the result will be that the crisis gets much worse. People deserved to know what they could do to protect themselves at the time in World War. One hundred six thousand Americans died fighting six hundred. Seventy five thousand as you suggested died in the influenza. Pandemic Americans did that was very much was what was at stake and I would also say it turns out the president. Trump's grandfather in one thousand nine hundred thousand nine is thought to have died of the flu connected to that pandemic. Wow that is a very interesting and the other piece of it is and I'm seeing more and more anecdotal evidence as I was talking with. Alli about it earlier of Donald Trump. Because he has this absolute hold on his strongest supporters. They believe everything he says. And nothing that you would say that I would say that in and of itself feels like a danger that his hold on. His people endangers both his people. His true believers everyone. They come in contact with if he is giving out information. That has not true or withholding information that he should as woodrow. Wilson did because the real lesson for every president in a crisis like this transparent. Get as much information out as possible. That's the way you at least curb this pandemic as much as possible. Yeah absolutely Michael Beschloss. Thank you so much. It's great to talk to you this morning. Thank you same here. Thank you toy. Be will chairs and still to come former soda jerk and current. Us Senator Ron Johnson. Fires up the old charisma machine. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This week on the Sunday. Sit down. Podcast I get together with one of the biggest artists in the history of Music Shania Twain. Get our conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts. The state of Alabama on Thursday executed forty three year old nathaniel woods despite protested objections from civil rights groups. And please for Martin Luther King. The third even Kim Kardashian just ordinary people who find the death penalty to be barbaric artifact of an ugly past. Plus a flurry of last-minute appeals. That went all the way to the Supreme Court. Woods had been convicted in the fatal shootings of three police. Officers in two thousand and four woods was held responsible for the men's deaths even though his codefendant confessed to being the one who pulled the trigger and said woods had no complicity in the crime. That didn't matter to quote Unquote pro-life Alabama Governor Kay Ivey who declined to stop the execution and who stayed is now the only one in America where a judge can impose a death sentence without a unanimous jury verdict attended to vote and a hearing. Are All it takes. Some are now calling governor I via hypocrite. Since last spring she signed into law the quote Alabama Human Life Protection. Act a bill that has been characterized as another blatantly unconstitutional choice law that even ivy admits is unenforceable. Meanwhile Governor Ivy's pro-life Alabama has the sixth highest infant mortality rate in the US the third worst maternal death rate the second highest firearm mortality rate. And the third worst homicide rate it ranks forty sixth in healthcare forty fifth in Economic Opportunity and fiftieth in education and they still execute people unlike nearly every modern state and nation on earth. More Amdur after the break. It's not our fault. That Joe Biden Hunter Biden got wrapped up in the whole Ukrainian story but we were not closing our eyes to this and I have no idea why anybody would object to US obtaining records from a US consulting firm run by former Clinton administration officials That is basically using one hundred binds name to strong arm. The State Department to Curry Baffles for a corrupt Ukrainian oil companies. Joe Biden struggling campaign. Wasn't the only thing that was resurrected in South Carolina after his overwhelming victory. I and Super Tuesday southern sweep reestablished him as the Democratic frontrunner literally the very next day Republican Senator Ron Johnson approved before subpoena. So he can investigate Biden son hunter and his time on the board of the cranium energy for Barack Obama exact same scheme. Donald trump tried to foist on the President Ukraine and that led to trump's impeachment so essentially the Senate Republicans are just picking up with their dear leader. Couldn't get done. Get it done joining me now. Is Michael mcfaul of the former? Us Ambassador to the Russian Federation and International Affairs analyst for MSNBC and Michael. Let's first talk about Mr Shokhin. Victor Shokhin The Washington Post writes that Shokhin who was the prosecutor in Ukraine was fired and sort of conspiracy theory is that Joe Biden as vice president conspired to get him fired because he wanted to protect his son the watch police reports this show conspiring was not a unilateral action directed by Biden. It was prompted by a push for anti corruption. Reforms developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. And guess who signed a bipartisan letter? Back in two thousand sixteen calling for reforms to show office and you can guest room. Johnson Ron Johnson signed it. So Ron Johnson himself wanted Shokhin fired. You were in the administration of the previous admits. You're in the Obama Administration were there any? Republicans who stood up Ron Johnson or others who objected to getting rid of this prosecutor at the time not to my knowledge because Mr Shokhin was the opposite of investigating corruption including Burris from by the way he was not investigating bereavement time and I want to underscore something joy. Nobody in the Obama administration ran their own cowboy operation running their own foreign policy. We had a different way of doing things. We sat in the White House Situation Room. We we teed up decisions for the President for the National Security Council and then we had different people implement those policies and in this case that was the Vice President. In other words this was a policy of the entire Obama Administration policy of the European Union. It was a policy of the IMF. We all agreed that Shokhin had to go. It had nothing to do with Vice President Biden and his sons particular economic interest. Was there ever a freelance person? Connected to either President Obama or to the vice president. Whoever on their own went to Ukraine to conduct any kind of foreign policy? The Way Rudy. Giuliani did not to my knowledge. I shouldn't laugh. Of course. They're all kinds of political entrepreneurs involved. When I was the ambassador in Russia for instance people would come and say I speak on behalf so and so maybe there were but generally speaking they had no impact whatsoever on our policy towards Ukraine You know and this is just deeply disappointing to me. Is Somebody who studies democracy and who used to even being the democracy promoting business back in the early ninety s when we would go to other countries to promote the rule of law. One of the things we always said is you can't use the rule of law for political purposes and that's exactly what is going on here a US senator by the way a chairman of a different committee why is Homeland Security. Have anything to do with. This is using that office to in my mind selectively look at You know alleged Illegal behavior by an American that that is just wrong on so many levels and I hope that the American people will see through it. This time it reminds me of the Clinton email hoax Here we are again and it's twenty twenty with another one well into that very point. If you WANNA hills. She respected person. Would you say former female? She is to me. I've known her for thirty years. One of the most expert people on Russia that I know. Okay let's play. Go back and play what she said. This is her November two thousand nine hundred and testimony regarding what Barack Obama means when people talk about it. In regard to the Biden's tickled with Gordon. Sunland was basically saying look. We have a deal here that there will be a meeting. I have a deal here. With with Chief-of-staff Mulvaney. There will be a meeting if the Ukrainians open up or announce these FESTA Gatien's and into twenty-six embarrassment and I could off immediately there because by this point having heard Mr Giuliani over and over again on television and all of the issues that he was asserting by this point. It was clear that Barack Obama was code for the Biden's would it be unfair of me to surmise. That the Ron Johnson senator. That people like Lindsey Graham who has called Hunter Biden Fair game and said they will go after him they are attempting to do what? Donald Trump was unable to get the Ukraine government to do meaning turn the forces of government into an investigative arm to take down the family of his political opponent. Absolutely I mean that's the tragedy of this whole situation That's what's going to happen and I want to just remind everybody watching you know nobody was talking about Barista in two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen president trump. Was you know a president January two thousand seventeen nineteen? It only appears on our radar screen when the vice president becomes a candidate. And why is it reappearing again? As you just said joy it's because now he looks like he might be the Democratic nominee. This is obviously for political purposes has nothing to do with the rule of law and I think people need to be vigilant here. This is disinformation. No evidence has ever been brought about that. The vice president had anything to do with any criminal behavior in Ukraine. And yet they're going to repeat this mantra time and time again to make that association and it reminds me exactly of what happened with Clinton and emails in two thousand sixteen. We later learned. There was no criminal activity there but we learned it after the election in two thousand sixteen. Yeah what that is. A dangerous precedent. That's been set before. I hope we're smarter this time around. Mitt Romney has said that he thinks it appears to be political. We'll let's see if we have time to play it. Let's play Mitt Romney concern about the appearance. There's no question but that the appearance of looking into Barista in hundred Biden Appears political and I think people are tired of these These kind of political Investigations and we also have a lot of work to do Matters that are not related to Bristol. We probably have focused on those things. What does it mean to you? If the one senator who seemed to have the guts to stand up to this has backed down and said that he won't stand in the way it'd be subpoenas going forward disappointed in that because he was signaling other things he was signaling that he might block that subpoena. There must have been a lot of pressure on him but I want to underscore one thing that the senator did say. He said they have other things to do. Your he's exactly right about that. What about focusing on paid sick? Leave right now senators. What about Taking care and helping us during this time of crisis. That's what they should be focused on. Not Chasing this this conspiracy theory. That has no facts to back. It Up ambbassador Michael mcfaul. Thank you very much really appreciate you being here this morning. Thank you thank you stick around. There's more after the break from. I've decided that I am with rate suzy. Hassle going to endorse Joe Biden for president of the United States. I believe in. I really believe in Him and I've known him for a Long Time. One of the things that we need right now is we need a leader. Who really does care about the people and who can therefore unify the people and I believe Joe can do that. Good morning and welcome back to. Am Joy. We'LL BIDEN. A big endorsement. This morning from California Senator and former twenty twenty presidential candidate Carmela Harris Harris joins the growing list of former twenty twenty candidates who are now rallying around the former vice president ahead of another round of primaries this week but just minutes after Kamala Harris endorsed Joe Biden via twitter Bernie Sanders announced that he would be endorsed by civil rights activists in two time presidential candidate. Democratic presidential candidate Jesse Jackson. These endorsements come less than forty eight hours from when voters in six states will cast ballots in the Democratic presidential primary with the biggest prize on Tuesday will be Michigan with one hundred twenty five delegates at stake. Sanders is focusing his firepower on Michigan with several events this weekend including a speech in Flint on Saturday that was supposed to be a pitch directly to black voters about why they should vote for him over by it but at the last second sanders scrapped those plans and delivered part of his regular stump speech instead. And don't fetchacure campaign manager for the Bernie Sanders campaign fest. Thank you so much for being your great to see you again High I want to start by talking to you about Michigan. Stop let's start. Let's start with Michigan. The New York Times has a piece titled Sanders is behind with Black. Voters didn't fix that in Flint. Here's an excerpt of it. Mr Sanders relative silence was deliberate. Those involved in the event said the guest speaker several of whom were flown into flint by the campaign decided before the event that it would be better to let them discuss the issues affecting their communities than the man running for president who represent them so basically according to the New York Times. It was a decision by the campaign to let your black surrogates. Do the talking. But here's the other thing. That was notable. I think to a lot of people who are just sort of watching it. Unfold on twitter was the crowd. Dave Weigel tweeted out pictures of it and it was. It was very much predominantly white and this is in the city of Flint. That is a very black city similar to the crowd in Detroit. How do you assess why it is that it's been so difficult for Senator Sanders to really grow his support with black voters? I mean he just got Jesse Jackson's endorsement this morning. Why do you think it's been such a struggle well for now? No lack of effort for trying. We're working very hard at a joy and when we got to that event last night we have these wonderful activists been living the fight in flint. I mean we saw a group called Flint. Rising group called Detroit action who know these issues more intimately and have lived it and quite frankly the senators like these are the voices that I need to help lift up and I'm going to have a conversation with them. So what ended up? Ensuing was a panel conversation with them to have them tell the stories. Use the presidential campaign to lift them up and for him to ask them questions quite frankly so that the media could hear them so that was the decision of the campaign. Going forward as you're saying we're competing for African American votes and certainly the endorsement of Jesse Jackson means a lot to our campaign. I want everybody to know that we're going to work hard for it. We've got work to do joy in and we can talk about why we think we're struggling a little bit with African American votes. I think to some degree. There's a An Age disparity when you have older African Americans who have generally not been supportive of this campaign. I think more comfortable with safe Democratic Choices. And that's been the history of it whether you look at. Al Gore you look John Kerry you look at the campaigns of Hillary Clinton. They have all earned a lot of support. I think there's something to kind of the safe democratic choice. That taunt sometimes appeals to older voters. Quite frankly I mean and the thing is just knowing black voters in having worked on a couple of campaigns. It's not so much that you know black. Voters think any buddy is safe Reagan. This is a country that has not been safe for African Americans ever really and I think for a lot of voters there is a sense of what campaign is realistic and can win right and I think a lot of voters are making that assessment to be fair to them. That's right there. The joy on that realistic right because this is all. This is all subjective like I say is deemed to be conventional wisdom of safe politically. And when I say those three candidates right you'd think of Al Gore you think of John Kerry look at Hillary Clinton. They were deemed to be saved general election candidates. They won the primary guess. What happened in the general election right? They lost so I think from our perspective. When you're offering this kind of bold ambitious agenda transformational change. It is fighting uphill but we do have to convert and persuade people that also works politically. And we're in the process of doing that joy and we're working hard on it and you know he's inching to me to have. Reverend Jesse Jackson Support Senator Sanders campaign because Jesse Jackson was that he was. Actually the first ever voted for when I finally got a chance for him. Nineteen eighty-eight and what was exciting about his campaign was not just the potential of a first black president but his agenda and his agenda. If you go through it was very similar to what Senator Sanders is running on. So it is counterintuitive to me because the people who would have been of exacts unfortunately did lose. You know we did but I know you said well. Let me let me ask this question. I know we have audio for the audience. It's a little difficult because you're remote but what I what I will know. Is it the black people who are of age to vote for Jesse Jackson? People who were my age are older really. Were attracted to that agenda at that time. Because Jesse Jackson routed in the south the reason he managed to get so many delegates to be able to change the fundamental way. The Democratic Party operates the reason we have proportional voting in the Democratic National Committee. It's because of him because he had so many delegates and he came so close to getting the nomination including winning in Michigan. The Democrats headed to negotiate with him. And this is what we're living in now. Something closer to what he wanted in terms of the voting so there. It isn't true that people black voters are automatically opposed to that kind of an agenda because they were for it. With Jesse Jackson ran on it so there must be something else going on and they were for Barack Obama as well right. Yeah I do think that one of our challenges here is that you're running against Joe Biden. And you have in. Bernie Sanders a candidate. Who is offering very transformational agenda? Right you're talking about Medicare for all. You're talking about free. Tuition at public colleges and universities. You're looking at taking on climate change in a very ambitious aggressive way and I think that for some people. I think we're trying to convince them that it's not only policy but it's good politics right in into transform even a racist and broken criminal justice system where you ban for profit prisons and detention centers for some people. I think like it takes them convincing to say. Hey you know what that can be done if we fight this way. It's ambitious but it can be done it for some people say well canopy done can be done and I think that's job of our campaign is to show that is not only realistic policy. Wise realistic politically. Yeah the the other question I would ask is whether or not one of the challenges for Senator Sanders is that while on issues that I think are really I think there actually is white economic anxiety economic anxiety among white working class voters. I think the people who feel that are sanders supporters not trump supporters. They tend to really the he's awakened in a lot of white working class. Voters this sense of urgency because they are struggling economically. I think that's who he's mainly attracting. I think that's what you saw in that room in flint and in Detroit but for for African American voters. I wonder if part of the challenge for the center is that he's been more of a conventional politician more conventional sort of. He's not a registered Democrat but more conventional politician when it came to voting for the Crime Bill and saying that that was important for to be strong on crime like he was that in the ninety S. If you look at the in Michigan this ran. This is a headline that ran in Michigan. During this week that he voted against the Flint funding for the Flint. Water crisis as part of an omnibus. Bill he had his reasons for doing it but then on some issues. That black borders look at in his votes. He hasn't been that unconventional. Do you think that's part of the challenge? No first of all. Let's talk about their multiracial coalition. He's building and there are a lot of Latinos. Young African Americans Asian Americans Myself Muslim. The Muslim community is very strong for Senator Sanders. So it is very diverse. And I think it's important to say that and acknowledge that and then I think with some of these racial justice issues. I think we do have this fight in an effort to make clear that when he's fighting for fifteen dollars an hour minimum wage right and he's fought successfully to get Amazon Disney seven states across the country to raise it to fifteen that that is huge for the African American community that is disproportionately impacted by low minimum wages. Now can we do a better job of making that clear that the fight is a racial justice? Fight when you talk about Medicare for all. Who Do you think's going to benefit most from Medicare for all? Who Do you think is lacking public health access in America? Who's getting hit? GonNa hit by Corona virus and be uninsured right and not be able to go to the doctor. It is predominantly black Americans right and to talk about that. We'll do a better job of it but I think is important for people understand that this agenda works best and benefits. The African American community is a reason why he didn't just then give that speech. What you just said couldn't have said that in Flint himself decision and I think it's understandable. Why have all these talented? Wonderful Black Voices. I Cornell West here got Detroit action. I've got Jennifer APPS. Addison sitting next to me who've lived this who know these issues far better. I and ISO a white Jewish candidate would like to hear from them and lift their voices up and I think I understand why he thinks that gives you a sense of his values quite frankly who is Bernie Sanders. How DOES HE OPERATE? How does he think well? That's how he thinks he's let me lift up voices to me. Do you think it might have been a mistake in not at that. Same Opportunity in Mississippi where the member himself historic figure in terms of being a black mayor in that he was sort of left hanging when the senator in fact chocolate chocolate came out. Mayor Bloomberg came out to Detroit and delivered a wonderful stirring introduction for Bernie Sanders and he has a family here in Michigan. I mean the point of it As you understand joy and sometimes you have to make decisions about where your resources. He's only one person he can only be a few places in Michigan. As you rightly noted is a critical battleground. Went into primary. You GotTa Win in a General Lecture in order to win the presidency and we're making that clear with our investment very quickly. I'm just a couple minutes I don't want to run out of time with you. Dissenters Sanders looking back at me. Regret voting for the Crime Bill. Because that's going to be when there's a debate between himself and Joe Biden. That's a distinction. That's going to be tough for him to make because yes. Joe Biden. Wrote the crimes. He voted well. Yeah but let's be honest about that crime bell right so like Joe Biden. Wrote the bill and as he wrote the bill he made it very difficult for people like Bernie Sanders to vote against it. Why did you buy to make it so difficult for people to vote against because included the violence against women? Act IN THEIR. He included an assault weapons ban in their things that Bernie Sanders supported and had promised that he would support. So then you throw those into the crime. Bill birdies as Joe Biden dead and then he makes a bunch of Democrats tried to choose one side or the other and Bernie Sanders said okay. These are the things that I promised my constituents I would support violence against Women Act Assault Weapons Ban. So I'm going to vote for this and then goes to the floor and says I don't like this bill because it will lead to greater incarceration of African Americans in our society. He says it but is it fair. Criticise Joe Biden for writing the same bill. I mean he voted for it. He has justification for it but he. So they're even on you. Who Do you put the responsibility on? Who voted for? It wouldn't be long but wait a minute. There was a lot of criticism of Hillary Clinton was just married to the guy was President Bernie. Sanders voted for the exact same bill. So if he had caveat this to why it was okay to vote for than I don't see why Biden doesn't have wide. It was okay to put on the floor but if he had voted against it right then you would be standing here saying well. Why didn't he? Why did he support the vital support? The others what have rights and all I'm saying is that when you're the leader. Crafting that bill as Joe Biden was doing. He was making us making a choice for people. He made it pretty good. 'cause VOTED FOR. I think the fundamental bill. You don't like the fundamental bill right. What it did to the African American community was not positive right. And we've fought against mass incarceration for like twenty years since right and we've been fighting this fight but that did not contribute so in general that if we could have separated those issues out right and said violence against Women Act so weapons ban over a year but raised over here. It's a complicated arguing. Because he let me move onto one of the quick thing before I lose you and I know your earpiece is giving you lots of trouble. I have been the let me play a little bit Elizabeth. Warren who had this interview really great interview by Rachel Maddow. And this was a part that you and I talked about this issue before but I WANNA play Elizabeth Warren talking about this sort of overall atmospheric so the campaign for her support and others take a listen. I want to say is for all of the candidates back back when there are lots of us. We are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really threatening ugly dangerous things for other to other and it's it's a particular problem with Sanders says I mean and it just is never talked with other senators about half. What was that conversation short? But Yeah we've talked about it but I think it's a real problem it at the point when you and I are just kind of talking about it. It's one thing but when one of the other major candidates is also talking about it and it obviously is something that struck her and that was important enough for her to bring up and really elaborate on do you. Are you concerned looking back on it? That perhaps the atmosphere that was created by some not all but some sanders supporters online. It really was felt viscerally not just by supporters of other candidates because I've heard the same thing from Buddha judge supporters other supporters. That might end up being the thing that keeps someone like Elizabeth Warren from endorsing Senator Sanders. If that if it turns out to be the case looking back could the campaign have done something different in terms of calling on supporters to treat people differently in general social media? Choi I. I'm leveling with you on this right you. I could go back. And find a number of instances like probably twelve to fifteen of this campaign working very hard to say this these. These comments online are not reflective of the values of our movement not reflective of Bernie Sanders and we believe that people should treat each other with respect indecency now the hard part for me as we engage. This conversation is like it's a two way street we our own supporters. Jane Sanders Nina Turner. A bunch of others. Riyan joy gray are attacked online all the time for their own advocacy for Bernie Sanders Right. And it's the online place vitriolic place and that's the difficult part of this conversation. We have a lot of supporters right. So you have a bunch of supporters. You have millions of people. Donate the campaign. Millions of people want to be active in support of this campaign. And there's GonNa be some tiny segment. Who Do things that are very despicable now? Do they define the entire movement? That this is like a false conversation to me like. Why did we cannot allow this tiny minority to to define the huge number of people? Who Advocate for Bernie Sanders in a respectful and decent way? But I mean the thing is I mean. Brianna Jesuit gives good as she gets definitely online. But I mean the reality is if saying. It isn't true and just sort of saying it doesn't happen. It is a big gas. Lighting people are experiencing this. It isn't something that isn't true. It is happening to other candidate. No not seen. But you're not seeing our campaign suggests that isn't true. It's just saying that. The small kind of angriest despicable elements we distance ourselves and condemn them from as not part of our movement and you saw on the debate stage itself Bernie Sanders saying. Hey if there are people out. There were attacking union leaders. That's not what I support and I would never endorse that and I say they're not part of our movement. So what else can you ask a candidate to do? Other than that is to con- continually condemn them and from my perspective here. We have these debates about twitter trolls when the planet is burning. We've corona virus spreading. We have people uninsured we have wealth inequality soaring like. Let's let's focus on the giant issues of our time and not get distracted here about twitter trolls well. It was also in Nevada. I think just to be fair to senator. Warren was saying was also phone calls and emails to people who were actually working with that union in Nevada. So it's not just on twitter but I just want to make sure that the clarify what she was yesterday and I. I wanted to be clear. From our campaigns perspective that does not reflect this movement that does not reflect our campaign and we try very hard. We talk behind the scenes with the Union issued statements saying hey do would birdie sounds a lot of debate stage. We condemn that from my perspective. We're always playing defense here to try to suggest and defend ourselves and we have these wonderful supporters who respectful things and they're defined by the tiniest angry elements right. It's just not fair. Quite frankly from our perspective. I can say and people know that I knew you before you call me joy and that's what people know that. I know somebody that they'd know me. So I know that that does not reflect to you because I have to say that. You're one of the most decent nicest people that I've ever met in politics. So thank you very much for coming on. I really appreciate you being here. I really appreciate it. We'll get a better earpiece thing for your next. I think you all right. I'm going to bring in my panel. Latasha around black voters matter Glenda car president and CEO Higher Price For America Maria or bean up national political director at indivisible. Rachel Bitta Coffer Assistant Director of the Waste Center for public policy. Thank you for being here and thank you all for sitting and listening in on this. I'm GONNA come to you first on this Clinton because it is true. I mean really nice I mean he really is a good guy and the thing. That's so interesting about the sanders campaign. Is it the thing they're arguing for? Is True right there. Are we live in a country in which these super-rich have walked so much money and resources and taken so much from ordinary people that now even what used to be sort of white privilege can't even cover it anymore for a lot of working class people and they're pissed off to be honest? People are pissed off to the point where you have people talking revolution that there was a real reason that the sanders movement has the energy and even the anger in the rage. There has to at the same time. I do kind of contrast it with Jesse Jackson Movement because I remember it from junior high and high school being like a joyous version of that. Same thing you know what I mean like there was something about it that had joyfulness to it. Even in the struggle is that really. The dichotomy is that thing that sanders has not been able at least outside of because in the movement. We're joyous little bit outside somehow. It hasn't gotten through. I think that's interesting because the first campaign that I volunteered on was a teen for Jesse Jackson. Right and it's something about building an inclusive movement that you can see yourself in. I think we all agree. That in theory his his vision for the country's exactly what black Americans want to see. The question is the road to twenty twenty. Can you center a campaign that I can see myself in activated and that is what I think. The Jesse Jackson his whole movement into eighty eight campaign did like for me to be. I think I was sixteen or seventeen at the time where I go to my parents. I'm like I need to get on that. Yeah I was an intern sitting at ESA. You in Hartford Connecticut. So it's like how do you do that where you can engage me but also my great grandmother and it's interesting you know. Latasha because the thing is I. Think having that endorsement from actually important I mean you know Senator Sanders. I think when he was a congressman at the time endorsed Jesse Jackson in nineteen eighty eight. I'm not sure if he didn't eighty four and eighty eight but I know he endorsed his presidential campaign and they're they're the things they're fighting for if you look at their. Both of their lineups of the things they want are very similar. It's very similar to kind of like a t and kind of push for broad social justice. You know it isn't. The racial justice is not as overt but there is a bit broad sort of social justice. So it is there. I wonder if you as a person who is an activist was out on the ground. Like here's a getting people to vote. Do you have an understanding an explanation as to why? It has not caught on more with black voters. I think there's a number of things. There are three things that come to mind. The first thing is that when you think about Jesse Jackson what you think is hope the word hope and so what we hear in the Sanders campaign is we hear this vision. Even when I was talking to people about kind of his vision around healthcare people. It's almost in some ways. Folks don't really know what that means. A matter of fact I had one family member that talked about part of their challenge. Around voting for Bernie Sanders is. They didn't know they were like the expansion of Medicaid for all there was like well. I've been on Medicaid or Medicare as a as a younger person and I didn't have a good experience and now does that mean that I'm not GonNa have that. My engagement and the healthcare system has been distinctively different. The second thing I think that is really important is really around. While politics is personal. That is relational and so part of what I think that the binding Biden has been able to do. Is that people feel for whatever reason they feel a sense of connectedness. They feel like they know him. There is the point in terms of Bernie. That folks are not feeling not all but some of the folks that I've been talking to on the ground don't feel they don't feel the war they don't feel the connectivity. The third thing is that I think it's really important that black voters before before they want to get married they WANNA be court it and so I think one of the weaknesses in the campaign is you've not really seen a courtship from from the Bernie campaigns specifically for black women specifically saner black voters. He's not going to go to Mississippi. He didn't show up for Selma for the bloody Sunday March. And so I think that there's another element around that is new around how people connect to the candidate that is one thing and I think that's a critical mistake that sometimes white liberals may that oftentimes they make this mistake that thinking that because they've got a good progressive agenda that in itself is enough and while the gender is one thing the other thing that is really important is for people to feel connected. And actually you center and you can see them within the context of the agenda that you're pushing and I think that's a major criticism that I hear oftentimes from voters that I'm talking to and Maria because right I think not going to. Selma was a data point. It was it was obviously. Wasn't there because everyone else was there and so not going to Selma then is added onto not really being flat president South Carolina. It's it's additive in a sense but with let let with Latino voters it's a very different thing. There is more of a connection. He is doing much better with Latino voters than he is with black. Voters do you. Do you have an understanding of why that might be? It's certainly an interesting question. Joy and I'd start by saying that one I think is really important that I'm really excited to be part of this discussion because I know that this panel is bad ass. Oh we're knocking our discussion of Brown and black voters. Because I think that doesn't advance our justice and freedom together but what I do think is true is that Bernie. Sanders saw that. He made serious investments in the Latino. Vote in two thousand sixteen. He was incredibly popular among Young Latinos and they looked at that playbook and they built on it and in some ways. If you look at Nevada if you look at California and even some in Texas there were gains made with Latinos and really. That's one of the few places they're seeing gains made. They need to see similar gains with young people if they WANNA remain incredibly competitive in this race and the other point. I think that I've been reflecting on around Vice President Biden. Vice-president Biden didn't have you know a ton of infrastructure campaign infrastructure and some of these states where he's being becoming more competitive now and it goes back to that conversation that we're having around coalition building around. Who are these leaders that you've been investing in overtime? Who who are these likely party people who are investing over time and those folks who are coming out now endorsing Vice President Biden if you look in Arizona? Example Ruben Gallego who's a progressive came out and endorsed Vice President Biden As they approach Arizona Primary and so that is that sort of network of people who are coming together is helping him quite a bit. And you're seeing that a little bit more now. In the Progressive Movement with justice. Democrats endorsing Senator Sanders. This morning. It is interesting Rachel that we talk to the former campaign manager Corey Booker on the show yesterday and it is actually true. Then weirdly weirdly enough. I mean he was his vice president but it does seem that what Biden Joe Biden has been able to do is to assemble much of the Obama Coalition. Like he is. That is the thing that he's doing that is helping him. Is the data bear that out I mean ultimately when we look back at the autopsy for the Sanders Campaign I think the diagnosis is going to be. This campaign came in with a robust advantage in the progressive community. They had that front runner status for a little while it was tested with Warren In the invisible primary in the fall but that was short lived challenge and what they really needed to have done. These four years in between the runs was start to figure out how to expand that base of support out towards the party's mainstream to some extent they did Start to do that. With Latino voters and the difference of course is that the center of gravity within the Latino coalition is a younger electorate amongst black voters. It's an older elector in that. Socialism label is a huge. I mean it's just something that warrant had if she ended up being the Progressive Front runner right and I just think that you know Bernie is the Imperfect Messenger for the policy prescriptions. That movement is trying to advance because it makes It makes it hard to bring in that that mainstream coalition because people are risk adverse especially in environment where they are really wanting to beat Donald trump and putting radical policies. Up is one thing were bold policies. You know some might say but it's quite another to say to the electorate. We want you to run a candidate. That calls himself a democratic socialist. I mean that is a very large able to ask a pretty moderate electorate. Yeah I mean we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA keep everybody income because that is definitely true because one difference between accent and Bernie Sanders Democrat. And so you can go with less around the fact that he is part of the part whole discovering to keep everybody around. We have a lot more discussed but we have take a break. We'll be back think that he will make another exhuberant decision in capping you as something right now. The task before us is to make sure people in Michigan people in his land people all our country that they vote. There's been so much about this. Current Administration and Donald Trump has been about trying to beat people up and make them feel small and feel along and one of the great challenges that we have and joking. Do this to remind people you are not alone. We are all together. Nbc News Producer. Spoke exclusively the senator comal hairs right there. In Selma just moments ago now she artfully redirected the focus back to his her endorsement. A former vice president. Joe Biden today knock toward any VP type speculation but they tried a god. Bless them okay. Our panel is back with us. Rachel cough I want to go to you first. Let's put up the delegate map. Michigan is the big hall that is available one hundred and twenty five delegates any predictions for us as to. How next Tuesday's GONNA shake out? Yeah I think you know this this nomination is is really in bad shape for Senator Sanders. My expectation is that this Tuesday is not going to go well for him. We're going to see Biden expand on his delegate lead I can not stress. How bad super Tuesday went for the Sanders campaign that this nomination is probably going to fall in. Biden's favor without the fears of a contested convention that we were looking at so. Wow that's pretty definitive. Maria Pena Wow. That's definitive so if it plays out that way Maria you're from indivisible which you guys are grassroots based what in your mind would have to happen for Biden if he were to get through and we don't know that's going to happen we just you know. Rachel's good but we go with what she says. If that happens right what would biden you have to do to bring over the activist? Really active part of Bernie Sanders base. At least the part that's willing to move. Certainly this is still very much a contest between the two of them. But I think you're right that if Biden were the nominee. He has a lot of work to do to really listen in to the rest of the grassroots community. That's been organizing during the midterms during this primary race. Folks want to know that he cares about bringing the party together and Vice President Biden should have just as much responsibility as the the seniors folks are asked to have around bringing the party together and really being unified in order to do that. There has to be a little bit more digging listening. For example we'd love for Vice President Biden to fill out are indivisible scorecard questionnaire which we haven't been able to get a response on well he should do that and is there one issue out of the things that Bernie Sanders has advocated. That Biden should consider adopting a policy of his. Actually I would say the one issue that Senator. Warren has on his democracy reform and having a governance governance agenda the actually sees institutional changes so all of these progressive politics policies can be enacted including the filibuster reform. That is a good one latasha Brown one of the things about Selma is that it is fundamentally about voting rights. We basically don't have much of a voting rights act left and I'm wondering how you think that winds up impacting a year in which there are several Senate seats up in the south can. The Democratic Party compete in the south. Is it realistic? Should they be spending money in southern states? What are your thoughts? I absolutely think that they should be seeking. We should be seeking every single Senate seat that we can get and then the south. You've got critical seats coming up in Georgia in particular and holding onto the seat in Alabama. You know there are people that wrote off Alabama State. That is deeply conservative. And what happened when there was an investment and Black. Voters were activated. That's what happened and so the same thing in Georgia. I think there's a real possible to in Georgia. I think it is critical for us. Not just to focus on the presidential election but we've got to focus on the Senate seats. There has to be investment in regions investment in the South I even when we look at Texas. I think there's some real possibilities and Texas wheel and so. This is an election for us not to marginalize the power of black voters and how we literally can invest and get some of these Senate seat. Yeah absolutely I'm just writing down as you're talking. South Carolina has a seat up Mississippi Georgia head to Kentucky one Texas Obama Alabama to preserve that. Preserve this guy. Doug Jones is one of the good guys by the way Doug Jones is a civil rights lawyer is worth keeping. He just based on his record. Talk about somebody's record mattering. Let me come to the table Glenda car because the key to the election the keys are held by black women and a lot of ways for democratic really not even just in a way that is our and so I wonder if Joe Biden strength and he's being powered by their vote. The vote that you concern yourself with day-today does it is it. Does it. Wind up being enough if Biden can't somehow bring in the sanders safe oil. Well I think if if if the Democrats want to win in November. Black women are the building blocks to that foundation of course but it's the strength of the foundation. Yeah we still need to build the rest of their house and so that is that only strengthening the relationships with African American Cross Social Economic Backgrounds Geographic Age right. If he's not able to actually create some excitement yeah so we are voting because this is an important political movement. Yeah moment are we actually going to activate our network? Does he have to put a black woman on the ticket to do that. I think well obviously for higher heights we absolutely want to see a black woman as a VP. We did a survey over the summer that shows that overwhelmingly African American women want to see a Walkman in the White House. Yeah Yeah and we need to determine at this point. How people's age happy birthday happens to your birthday in international women's so as we celebrate International Women's Day Yeah we need to ensure that we're having black women at decision making tables and so both candidates need to be seriously looking at use. It use it in her birthday to celebrate International Women's Day because he can't stop won't stop. That's you know yes your name. Vena Rachel copper the scientist Glenda car. Thank you very much guys. A great guy coming up. Elizabeth Warren grants an interview with Laura Ingram Kinda SORTA the establishment. Put a great deal of pressure on people to judge on Amy Klobuchar who ran really aggressive campaigns. While I know both of them they work really really hard but suddenly right before Super Tuesday. They announced withdrawal. But I think what we are doing in this campaign chuck is we take it on. Not only the entire political establishment corporate establishment as well jazz last Sunday Bernie Sanders path to the democratic combination in nearly inevitable. But after Joe Biden saw sweeping victories in South Carolina and in Super Tuesday states Senator Sanders is trying to regain his momentum and blanketing. The Sunday morning shows ahead of this week's contest and joining me now is David Corn. Msnbc political analyst and Washington Bureau Chief for Mother Jones David Jolly Msnbc contributor and former Republican congressman. Who's no longer affiliated with the Party and Tiffany Cross founder of the beat DC resident fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School? All right. You ever being here David. I hear Senator Sanders attacking Joe Biden on trade ahead of Michigan. Primary take lessons. Trade agreements like Nafta and Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China which forced American workers to compete against people making pennies and has resulted in the loss of one hundred and sixty thousand jobs here in Michigan. Some four million jobs all over this country I helped lead the evidence. You may recall against these disasters trade rooms. I work with the unions. Not with the CEOS a large corporations on the other hand Joe Biden shonky supported of these agreements David Corn. I wonder if there's one way of thinking about it is that he's got to attack by right he's got. It's a one on one contest on the other hand. There is some sort of reporting out there that people are just exhausted. Don't want them to fight each other. And just want someone who seems presidential. Your reporting is in which direction well people in? General don't like to see you know fighting and arguing and then they voted for people who fight argue Going back to Bernie's I point that you open the show with. I mean he's trying to put forward this notion conspiratorial that there's a democratic establishment that forced you know the results of Super Tuesday. I gotTA say importing here in DC. There really is no democratic salesman. I think a lot of Democrats wish there were and that they had the power. Do things like this. But they really don't and you know Bernie's attack on Biden on trade is more to the point. Argue the substance are you. The positions Biden argue back that he supported the auto bailout of and helped organize it. That saved Michigan and a lot of ways and Bernie was not behind that. So have that fight. Have that debate but say away from the conspiratorial paranoid stuff. That will suppress votes for Biden. Should he become the nominee down the road? Yeah I mean if the if the Democratic Party I hate to say it organized a Rodeo it would just be a bunch of cows and bulls and all around place just don't get the Rodeo clowns sloth everywhere and nobody could catch him let's play Bernie Sanders addressing this issue. That will not go away for him and I know they really wanted to go away. I felt bad professor here this morning but it just won't go away about the Internet attackers and here. He is talking about that on. Meet the Press David Jolly I am concerned about the kind of ugliness that exists on the Internet and the twitter world in general. It is very ugly and I will not deny for a second that we have some people who claim to be supportive as though I have a hard time understanding why they think they can make vicious personal attacks against people what our campaign is about. But I gotTa tell you something. Take a look at the stuff. That's coming into our campaign talk to some of the African American women who are in my campaign and badly racist and sexist crap that they have got to deal with so it's an ugly world out there and I hope very much that in weeks and months and years to come we can clean it up and fair to say that the sort of social media world has gotten uglier and Uglier Nastier Nastier particularly nasty for women for Jewish people for people of Color. It's ugly it is. It is good that there are sort of directly addressing it and it does war as it did work to a certain extent for the trump side to do it. Do you think it winds up. How do you think it winds up? David Impacting Sanders. Ultimately it's going to be there all the way through November as a result of one just the the behavior we see online the unfortunate behavior as well as frankly the misinformation campaigns and the efforts to discredit candidates campaigns by foreign adversaries like Russian influence is a perfect example of how they do it but look I commend Bernie Sanders for saying exactly the right thing in that moment and joy. I'll be honest with you. As a disc dispassionate observer of the Democratic primary I think this is a democratic family conversation. I don't really see it because I'm not in the trenches within the Democratic Primary David Corns Point. Let's hear the candidates talk about policy because while this has been a sweepingly. Good Week for Joe Biden. There's a long way to go in this primary and I think a head to head match between Joe Biden and Bernie. Sanders is going to expose a great policy. Rift forget about the online behavior. The real policy differences between these two candidates are going to be a challenge for Democrats to ultimately coalesce around when they do have a nominee in July. Yeah the Bernie Sanders. I'm just told us doing a town hall on Fox News Tomorrow Night. Tiffany Cross one. Way To look at it is that you know he could just sort of double down on the base that he has to carry that as far as he can go the other way to look at it as it he has to grow. How does this? I don't know what do you make of the town on the town hall on Fox? Is that a good idea. And how do you think this winds up? Shake shape shaping out for him shaking out for him. Well I think the optics don't look good for him when he has time for a Fox News townhall but he is fresh out of time to reach out to black voters. He skipped Selma. He skipped Mississippi and look. There are a few people who watch Fox. We do have to consider their reach their in airports across the country and a lot of bars and so everybody who watches them is not on earth to there are. There is a small sliver of people he can reach but those are not going to be the people who carry you over the finish line. I mean you do have to tap into that democratic base and. I think that he's failed and again. This is coming on the heels of some of his supporters implying that these are low information voters who carried him over in South Carolina. And he's touting this conspiracy that the establishment Help Joe Joe Biden Research and I just I think with black voters. It's a challenge. Because it looks like he constantly prioritizes economic inequality over racial inequality Kudos to you for great interview with his campaign manager. This morning I thought it was great for him to try to dispel some of that and address some of that. But when you wonder why you're not doing better with the base of this party I mean this is an answer and I just I. I don't know how many questions Fox News is going to ask him about. Energizing the base. I think their focus is going to be more about energizing red state voters which as we know does not win the Democratic primary. It's going to be interesting to watch it if you want. Fan will be sticking around because up next. We're GONNA make it a lot more fun for you because you know scary as carry but you also need fun and so we're going to tell you who won the week am joy after the break. Yes it is time to find out back with David. Corn David Jolly tiffany cross cross. Very serious and important question for you. Ma'am who won the week. I'm GonNa beat you this week. Joy because my who won the league is Lucille. Delgado he is a Mexican immigrants. Who migrated this country when he was sixteen years old? He's been blind Since since birth. And he lives about seventy miles south of Chicago and one of the poorest state are areas of the state and he was denied citizenship because they did not provide him reading test in Braille. He as the civics part. Many Americans can't do that but he that part of his exam and when it was time for him to take the reading tests they did not offer it to him and they said we can give you something enlarge print. I don't know what that would do for a blind person so his lawyer was able to successfully get him a new day to take a new test with the Braille reading portion so for immigrants for disabled people this is such a win and as a descendant of somebody who built this country for free. I just think it's an amazing testament of how we have to force change in America so I hope Lucille. Delgado has a successful next round and cheers to him and all the immigrants who make this country great place. He'll Delgado. That is a good one. Yes in the four free part emphasize under I underline neck for free. Let's go David Johnny. I don't know how you beat that man how do you? How do you beat that? Who won the week? David Here here I gotcha I gotcha someone worthy of the trumpets and the music when you intro this segment which is hervas rogers that Texas man. Who waited over six hours in the lines to vote on Super Tuesday and said it was my duty to do so joy it as the power of a single voter that we saw in the two thousand eighteen election's that we saw on Super Tuesday. It's also an indictment of today's election system of the Supreme Court in two thousand thirteen yet when they kneecap the voting rights act and states across the country like Texas Georgia Florida others. Who continue to engage in voter suppression service. Rogers said you're not going to suppress my vote on Tuesday. My voice is going to be heard. He's the hero of the week. Hey Man oh my God. This is getting more and more difficult for that. Tiffany pat today according follow both Lucille. Dotto and I can help you. David Cohen who won the week. Although Zaveri my pick is a judge a you notice a lowly citizen who did good but a high citizen who did good as well Judge Reggie Walton Walter here here in Washington buzzfeed sued to get an unredacted version of the report which we still haven't seen remarkably and judge Walton said who is George W Bush appointee by the way that that William Bar. The Attorney General was not credible when he said that the Miller report basically let trump off free. You know scathing a scathing scathing filing he said that The bar basically try to spin and try to influence the public's acceptance of import before it was released weeks before it was released. So here you have a judge coming in and saying that the trump administration is not playing fair with the truth is not telling the public really up and that's really important. Why because we have the same thing happening now with Keranovic's indeed judge thank you for Calling Out William Board. Yeah absolutely these are good choices Lou. Luciano got her rogers. Judge Reggie Walton. Mine is not as High Brow but it was certainly fun. Let me show you my who won the week. We've been talking about Jesse Jackson today. A member. What was called the color girls? These young women at the time who were fighting for Jesse Jackson to try to make him in the United States they went on to be luminaries in the Democratic Party. Now one of them one Donna. Brazile headed encounter with the head of the Republican National Committee. Rana let's remind you Romney mcdaniel and here. It is talking about the party here. It is. It's leading towards potentially a broker convention which will be rigged against Bernie. Those super delegates have their way on that second. Vote to that. You say what Donna rather go to hell. This is not about go to hell. I'M TIRED OF IT AT. We're not we're not trying to prevent anyone from becoming the nominee. If you have the delegates in win you will win for defending your party in the most blunt terms honor to done with. Thank you to David. Jolly tiffany cross decor. Thank you all very much more after the break. You GotTa take a listen. Listen squawk pot that's right. Cnbc's flagship business news. Show is a podcast. Squawk pot control to is not just the show folks might even better. Because it's only audio. Join Me Kramer as I take you inside the squawk box control room and beyond the headlines of our TV. Broadcast with. Joe Kernan Becky Quick Andrew. Ross sorkin every weekday subscribe to our new podcast squad. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with. Ns kanter an NBA star. Who has been exiled from his Turkey due to his religious beliefs. The Turkish government some police in my house in Turkey and they took every electronics away. 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Daily Wire Backstage: Ukraine In The Membrane

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Daily Wire Backstage: Ukraine In The Membrane

"The Ukrainian left welcome to the daily wire backstage Ukraine in the membrane edition Jeremy Boring known around these parts as the boss of everyone except in glad you breath can donald trump and joe biden survived their Ukraine scandals will the dims impeach each does Liz warns poll surge mean that she has become a one in one thousand and twenty fourth chance of winning. The presidency is the rap reference in the show titled Tonight. Lost on Ben Join me tonight as we explore these important issues and here to help me do so the one and only Ben Shapiro the One and only Andrew Klavan and Michael Knowles wait a minute. If someone is actually missing I mean there's usually a four man but one dog show right is there is the surfing -secutive dog. That is the first doggy smoking jackets the dog king himself lower case K. is getting more talks masculine wow also with us as ever the lovely Alicia Krause via satellite Alicia. I'm I'm fans. Get their questions in tonight. 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We're GONNA integrate some of our writers into the process to so it'll be a lot more opportunity for us to actually engage directly with the people who make impossible for us to do this show which are our Premium subscribers sounds awesome more work less pay. If you guys hate the fans so I love the fans so what's going on in the news and we weren't originally scheduled to do the show tonight. We're actually GONNA the next week and then it became. Oh my God the biggest news day of two thousand nineteen impeachment GEICO and it's it's solid stuff guy so this week's been mentioned so far. I mean let's be real. I've been having a great time. So why don't we begin with a little bit of background. Who wants to sum up. What happened here? Knows you talk well. There was an this is only source I had to go on is the president the most perfect phone call I ever occurred since Alexander Graham Bell was born and that was between the president of Ukraine and President of the United States Donald Trump this. We'd heard word for a week now. Through media leaks reports this was it. This was the end of the game for Donald Trump. It was all over. They were going to start an impeachment inquiry for it. President President trump in a rare move releases the transcript of the phone call which raises a whole slew of other questions so now we can read the transcript. We've got it. Today doesn't matter the speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi has officially formally declared an impeachment inquiry and nobody really knows what that means. You know what she's formal. She said Michael Scott declaring during bankruptcy. Declare yet for this. This transcript was released. Yes so she had no idea it was you were talking about it so when I woke up this morning admittedly later than the rest of you because I barely have a job I went to my favorite little breakfast restaurant and I was enjoying a nice Nice well. I'll be honest I eat chilly for breakfast from Texas. I'm weird chilly for breakfast and CNN was on and the Kyron for the entire hour that I was in my favorite brush breakfast restaurant said transcript reveals president pushed Ukraine to investigate by and I thought imagine back to the the days of yesteryear when you had men like Walter cronkite or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings thanks flying the big the big desks right and I'm almost positive that at that time the Kyron would have said transcript reveals president asked Ukraine to investigate by but the word asked which is neutral inaccurate has been replaced in today's journalism with pushed which is editorializing right. I mean you're begs. The question pushed with what that's the answer is pushed with military aid. Oh look it's quid pro quo impeachable so this is the whole thing's a mess the the the back story to the back story there is of course that president trump is very concerned with the Joe Biden Hunter Biden allegations circa two thousand sixteen in which Hunter Biden was working for a company called on the basis of his long history of being completely useless and being biden knowing about giving really hasn't done anything about anything he'd been announced it from the navy for drug use like the he had serious problems right this guy who has a very chequered history and he's being paid fifty thousand dollars per month to sit on the board of this company Barista. Yeah I mean you know per month per month. How many months that I think all of them all of allies roughly Oh and has six hundred thousand this richly for doing so little until Michael Most so you think we pay Michael Knowles Joe so so Joe Biden was was the vice president at the time he's flying around with Hunter Biden their allegations about some of their relationships in China but Hunter Biden's on the company on on the Board of company Burris Ma there is a prosecutor in Ukraine is Victor Shokhin and Victor Shokhin is widely believed to be corrupt by the EU by the IMF by the Obama Administration Asian and he's investing breeze my and then maybe not investigating Burris men certain point Joe Biden openly threatens and talk about this openly threatens to withdraw one billion dollars in American Eric in loan guarantees unless Shokhin his ousted now people on the right make the connection okay. Maybe the reason why he's doing that is because Shokhin was investigating Burris MMA and the media basically said no no no no no. It's not about that. He just everybody wanted out and Biden was in charge regardless of whether there was an actual corrupt nexus cure. It's obviously a conflict of interest. I mean there's no way that she's she's been leading that up that that up anyway so trump wants investigation into that the allegation again. Joe Biden was leveraging American taxpayer dollars for his own personal benefit but he does this allegedly by leveraging the American taxpayer dollars for his own personal that that's the allegation so the allegation is by the Democrats and by the media that president trump withheld four hundred million dollars in Ukrainian Iranian aid in order to force them to investigate his chief political rival at this point Joe Biden so here's some money going Cherokee tribe to investigate Elizabeth Warren uh-huh because we've broken every treaty. We have historically what I WANNA know. What I WANNA know is win did win would Ukraine ordinarily expect expect to receive this this military aid and how long did they not receive it after they were receiving it regularly. I don't know if there was monthly or quarterly but they were receiving regularly for the first couple years of the trump administration so that in and of itself does it change the Obama Administration had not provided the sort of aid to Ukraine. They'd just been giving them like Mr. He's basically and Ukraine. We need some weapons to fight off the Russian insurgents who are trying to murder US and Obama's like nope and so trump comes in that changes now are providing them with javelin missiles goals for example and in July mid July so here. I'm GonNa give you the Democrats point of view and then we can start working on debunking talking about what's wrong with their word that's lacking so I want to build up the strongest strongest case for the Democrats and then we can talk about the transcript and all of that because we still like being honest we here on the show we enjoy honesty. It's a thing I know media. Matters is a thing so in any case the in any case the basic timeline is in mid-july president trump tells the head of the Office of Management and budget personally apparently Mick Mulvaney. He wants to stop the aid to Ukraine a week later. He has this phone call was. Alinsky and that's what the transcript is that we're GONNA go through a few weeks after that. He still has not opened up aid to Ukraine and people we're starting to ask questions like why the hell not providing aid to Ukraine in the middle of September the beginning of September you have the Washington Post runs the story September fifth about Ukraine aid being held September ninth. There's this whistle blower complaints with somebody. In the intelligence community filed a whistleblower complaint with the Inspector General of the intelligence community saying that something untoward has gone on they've. They've heard a promise on a call. It's all secondhand as we learn but the notice goes to the Inspector General the Inspector General says yes this is urgent which means it has to now be reported to Congress the the Director of National Intelligence Steps in and says well whatever the content is it doesn't fulfill the statutory requirements virgin so it can't be turned over so September Ninth Congress finds out that this thing even exists two days later trump releases the aid so the Democratic case is he was holding up the aid because he wanted to leverage the Ukrainians and then as soon as it became public. He let the aid go 'cause. He didn't want the blowback right. That's that's their case and the second part of their case is Rudy Giuliani. The president's personal attorney has been spending the last two years basically going in and out of Ukraine investigating getting this biden stuff and then rudy being literally the worst spokesperson on the history of mankind. I mean this Guy Makes Sean. Spicer looked like Jay Carney's unless he was the greatest mayor of New York. Only maybe tied more deal but who wrote that he would be a good lawyer on somebody. Else's behalf Rudy Giuliani is donald trump. Donald Trump represents somebody else. It's not it's not possible regionally on he could never represent nobody else. There's nothing Seru Juliani who appears on television only to make problems for the president fairly yeah he it goes on TV and he just blurts out so you know the reason that I was over in Ukraine is because is because the State Department sent me. He's like burners. He don't want it to the list because they're both New Yorkers but in any but in any case rudy overtly spills that the State Department sends him so I'm not sure what he thought he was clearing up there but why is the State Department sending the president's personal lawyer to Ukraine to investigate Ukraine like we have people who work in Ukraine call the ambassadors and also their entire staff so that's weird okay so that's the democratic and they say the capper is this transcript trump reveals. The transcript trump says it shows there's no nelken pro quo. The entire Democrat has does show a quid pro. Quo that brings us up to date so now. Do we want to go through the transcript or I do want to go through the transcript but I have a couple of questions about the time line one so trump says I want you to withhold the aid two weeks. Later has the call with the president of Ukraine but a sensibly the call with the president of the Ukraine is in response to these elections in Ukraine correct right so for the Ukrainian parliament right so he's so Dolinsky was elected a little bit early this year wise you've been in office like six months something that not not very well so so this is trump's first official phone call with Zoecke and so again the real question that is why the aid was being withheld from Ukraine trump has given a couple of reasons but there were parliament elections right Moore Morley. No there was the primary elections. Oh yes sure right. He was elected president and then he won parliamentary majority and that yeah and I think this was actually a the when the phone call opens up they kind of joke about this and he says you only call me when I win things right and it's all all this kind of flattery back and forth so so all of this is that the real question is why in the where this is going to end up is why did trump not just I say okay to the aid from Ukraine so the question that I'm asking I just want to get to his worthy. parliamentary elections between trump saying withhold the aid and this telephone call no the parliamentary elections before it and it will they were believe emily. I'd have to check it. I don't know the answer that so there is no world where trump was saying hold back the eight until we know if good guys are running. The country trump hasn't made arguments trump's two arguments have been the Europeans aren't paying their fair share share which does say in the transcript and also that his worried about generalized corruption right which is which is his other case so that so that's where things understand so then we got to. I do think that this is why the transcript I think will be the beginning of this not the end. I don't think the transcript I think even if you are very much inclined to believe president trump's accounts of this I think that in order for trump to be exonerated the way he sang exonerated. We need to have some explanation of why the aid to Ukraine went away and I think we have to have some sort of explanation as to why Rudy Giuliani was being sent by the State Department to to Ukraine. I mean those seem like reasonable questions to me now. Does that mean that the Democrats have proved impeachment c'mon just with all of this now. This is all speculative. It's all a time they've put together and most importantly the transcript in my opinion doesn't do it. Either side says it does you're seeing the trump team saying totally exonerates him. It's a great phone. Call the best phone call fantastic unbelievable and then you have the Democrats saying. This transcript is in of itself the quid pro quo. It is impeachable so obvious that he's pressuring Ukraine using military aid so let's the transcript before we do. Let's talk about something that does do exactly what it says it's going to do that's the firearms produced by our friends at Bravo company manufacturing absolutely good when the founders. There's crafted the constitution. 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Partly I'm not even GONNA go here. This is not going well anyway so my overall take on this conversation is that this conversation seemed to me like not like the president engaging in a quid pro quo. I'm going to withhold your military not unless you investigate Joe Biden. It sounds like Zilenski President Vladimir. Jonoski definitely understands the conversation to be that meaning that Dolinsky is going through this entire conversation Asian thinking to himself. My military has been withdrawn. What do I need to do to massage this dudes buttocks so I can get what I need right like the and everything he says is geared toward that right. He starts off and the first thing that he says is he says I we worked. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to you. I had an opportunity to learn from you. We was quite a few of your skills and knowledge knowledge or able to use it. That's example for our elections and yes it is through these unique elections and he keeps telling you about how he keeps telling trump that how wonderful he is the next. He says he says to tell you the truth to work hard to drain the swamp. You're in our country relic. Everything he is doing is directed at the Kim Jong Hoon bottle of diplomas which is like. I just just massaging this guy. Maybe give me what I want now. Trump seems to completely miss this right so it's like because he's used to people fawning over him all the time so as alinsky spending the entire entire called going. What do I have to do to get what I want from you and from sake you know who's clergy Rudy. I Lake Rudy because he goes on in the speaking speaking of rudy the the way like one of the great defenses of your read on this is that it's not trump who brings up route exactly it's. I want to send Rudy over here. It's Alinsky says and you know we. We really like a and you know. We'd really like over here. Rudy Giuliani. He's a nice guy and then trump's immediate response response to that is not anybody to help their military aides. You're right I do sometimes. We like to go fishing together. I mean that's the whole conversation. It's like talking to my three year old like I'm trying to convince my three-year-old to eat his dinner and say you should eat your dinner because it makes you healthy. She'll be strong. You know like an elephant and he'll be like I like elephants. Elephants are really great like that's this conversation. Lewinsky's Wenski like you know what you hear all the things I want to give you give me what I want and terms like let's talk about the best best keep it says I stayed at trump tower and he still trying to go. I've tried everything here. This guy does not get it. I spent trump tower. I think it's great isn't it very shining and let's that's a whole conversation in the transcript. Did they ever directly talk about the military aid so yes so but it is not trump so trump okay so here's how it goes. Alinsky says they're trying to drain the swamp and you teach us in all of this and then trump says it's very nice of you to say that I will say we do a lot for Ukraine and he talks about the military aid but he never mentions what he wants Alinsky to do. He says you guys get more military. Aid from the surrounding countries Europe is not paying its fair share so when trump has said that his excuse for holding back the aid that part's true right right he said that in this person and that's consistent with trump with what he said right now looking for the last four year NATO with everything right. It was very consistent. No one's paying in their fair share your he's like Bernie Sanders. International Politics got to pay the Fisher but he's kind of right so so the Linski then goes on and he starts talking about how how do they then. Zielinski military reds Alinsky says we're ready to continue to cooperate for the next step specifically where almost ready to buy more javelin from the United States for defensive purposes and and here is the part that the media are seizing on Democrats right so so Zelinski mentions the javelin javelin missiles and from next line is I would like for you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot in Ukraine knows a lot about it. Here's where the media are being dishonest because if you've been watching the media today yes they have the hardest working in media so what they do is they go from. I would like for you to do us a favor dot dot dot. Hey guys go to the next page all the way to the the top paragraph six lines down. There's a lot of talk about Biden Saturday skip from from right here all the way to basically one full page one full page of the transcript right so trump's initial thing. Is You know if you're going to talk about military aid I want you basically lead to investigate corruption and that would mean investigating Ukrainian interference in the two thousand sixteen election right now what he brings up there doesn't make any sense talking about crowd strike and and supposedly that the crowd strike somehow buried Hillary servers and all that like that's what the references to because trump only remember the election but he's saying that the election he's not talking about Joe Biden. He's not threatening reading anything about Biden right so the only connection made between the military aid and anything so far is we'd like for you to investigate your country's role in meddling in the two thousand sixteen the election and then actually interesting because that is a legitimate thing for for the trump for trump to ask about fully legitimate and Democrats have done the same thing right they've they. They've said that if Ukraine was not going to investigate Paul Manafort for example in two thousand sixteen that maybe there should be withdrawn so that's not illegitimate to say it's in the interests of the United States to know what Ukraine did during the two thousand sixteen election we want you guys get to the bottom of my right that that's legitimate then Dolinsky brings up Giuliani right then Zielinski is the one who's like okay. This is going nowhere I want to again. Show the president what a friendly dude I am and so he starts talking about all of this very important. He's calling the ambassador because the ambassador allegedly had I've been working with the Hillary Clinton campaign and a person from the DNC to get dirt on Manafort and the trump campaign during two thousand sixteen we recall the ambassador also love Guiliani. He's great late reign. He starts talking about how how much he loves. Rudy Giuliani no fence to Pablo for my office. He says I will tell you personally. One of my assistants spoke with Julianna just recently. We are very hoping that Mr Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and then it goes on and on about how much he likes Giuliani and it keeps bringing up the aid right he says we we have the this is one of my favorite sentences in the whole thing is it's poetic. He says I also wanted to tell you we are friends. We are great friends telling trump how good friends they are how they're gonNa go to brothels together or something and so and trump's response to all of this is okay now that you bring up Guiliani. I'm just talk about like it's free association with from all conversations are free association with trump. See Mentions Giuliani and trump goes Giuliani's highly respected man. I heard you had a prosecutor who's really good essentially essentially on over there to investigate the Biden thing and now we're onto Biden. That's a page removed from the actual military aid stuff and the Biden stuff is like a page and a half removed from the actual military aid stuff and then he talks about Joe Biden investigating the Biden's Alinsky says that he is going to appoint a good new prosecutor persecutor who's not as bad as the old prosecutor and he says that he's removed the ambassador and then trump keeps going back to them and have Guiliani give you a call and you like Guiliani Guiliani off stuff at no point for the rest of the conversation. Does trump actually go back to foreign aid you actually get to my favorite line in the entire thing here at the end which has presidents alinsky talking about meeting eating up with President trump in Poland and he says after that it may be very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine we can either take my plan go to Ukraine or we can take your which is probably nicer playing grigny locker so again. The whole thing thing. Here is Linski reading this the way that if you were in Ukraine you would read politics. which is you gotta? Bribe people really serious. Corruption problem really really serious corruption promos almost all countries except ours has serious. This is right. I mean when that's when people say American politics is scrubs like you really like a second but the but Zilenski is reading this conversation with trump like okay. He removed the military aid what will have to bribe. This guy and trump is kind of like do to do to do to do to do to do but he's just can wandering around. I have the instinct to just sit here quietly for the entire show because my opinion about the story is different than almost everybody else. I know you're going to beat the crap out of me when I tell you. What else do you this ring it up through I hold on. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa just speculating S. Two Treaty of Westphalia Spell. I'd mentioned the for you mentioned on. My show. Totally didn't listen your show. I thought maybe if I maybe if I'm making the Treaty of Westphalia. Filial finally listened no. I suspect the druce take is something along. The lines of Donald Trump is the president of the United States and the president crested United States has a responsibility before giving aid to another country. He has a responsibility to try to root out corruption. Nope nope sorry so much worse care. It's much yeah it's it's Elizabeth. Warren is going to be president care. We gotta hear it. I think the story is crap. I think it is utter crap. I think it's a non story. I don't think it's going wean anywhere if it does go anywhere. I think's going to blow up the Democrats face. I think the most obvious things can happen. It's GONNA end Joe Biden bid for the presidency and and I can't even believe I can't even believe that people are allowing news media to get away with this for two yes for two and a half years they told us obsolete wise about what the president did with with Russia just lies and that was the news and remember it was the walls are closing in this is the tipping point. It's over it comes out and Muller's come. I don't know I don't know what happened but it wasn't anything. Trump is off the hook and suddenly they come up with this garbage and I'll I'll get back to white garbage in a minute full time was time they must be really you know Mickey and I think I think and I just think that you gotta be kidding me so you know like how many and you've got a stormy. Daniels Mark Levin Oughta you know I think that's how the American public will see it so I think you're right. In the view of the American public they will say the Democrats have been going after trump hammering tongs on Russia for two years and then they just shifted the scope of the West and then they were like you're we're GONNA end up in France today that guy the former governor of Massachusetts welders weld treason he should get the death penalty. Okay okay. We're not over the top. We're not. He's a he's a real conservative urban conservative I was I was talking to my mom about this scandal for me. I started to do it in four sentences like it's crap yeah and I was like well you know. Can I explain it out really care and that's what I wanna hear is explained and why. Do you think that it's nothing not. Why do you think they're corrupt right. That's a completely different. I guess the reason I think it's nothing is this. The president has a right to say just about anything. He wants to a foreign leader when he's in conversation when I read this what I read. I don't even I mean you may be right. I think the guy from the Ukraine I keep going through Ukraine. They told me the guy from Ukraine. is is looking around. He's buttering them up but that's probably what all his conversations with foreign leaders mentally I totally agree yeah and and so so the guy constitutionally has a right to run foreign policy. He has a right to talk to president privately without everything he says being exposed spoke and he's Donald Trump. We all know runs off at the mouth and he thinks out loud and he doesn't. He doesn't know what he's saying. He certainly the idea that he is organized enough to like. Ram these guys for to get investigation Joe Biden. I think he preferred alone against Joe. Biden Elizabeth Warren. She's a much more disciplined candidate. She's not a dithering old man like Biden. I just think it's a ridiculous story. I think that that you can blow up anything especially with the guy like trump who steps on his own tongue a lot but with any president you will blow anything into a big deal and finally the final thing about this impeachment is bad. Okay we elect the president the House of Representatives the Senate then look the president. It's our choice. They don't get to throw him out unless he's really does something awful that this even comes close to awful anything that for them wanted negate an election which they've been now trying to do for almost three years is it's absurd and the people will make them pay and you know the thing the thing about it as we all know we all know so this is the the trump people and we all know this the left wing people. We all know they're. They're going to take their sides but the people in the middle has got to be looking at this. I think Americans are pretty sensible and the people in the middle of gotta be kidding me. Give me a break and we we also know Kimberley strassel a great little tweet thread on this today that she was great she was and she he's just terrific generally but we do know speaking of trump's saying things that aren't going to happen in kind of speaking loosely. He says that he's going to have bar Kohl's Alinsky as the attorney general call the heavy it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen because in in trump's head I have a lawyer. His name is Juliana. I have another way. His name is literally across his mind. That one is his. I don't know the other thing is. It's not like this call happened yesterday. This call happened July Twenty Fourth July twenty fifth so after this they get the complaint from the whistle blower blower so-called and this goes to the inspector general and then this goes over to the DOJ DOJ looks into whether this is a campaign finance violation and clear some some of the violation now whether they're some other issues that are opened up here. That's what we're discussing. I suppose but what they also found with the inspector general found is that there was demonstrable polars. I'm sorry signs of political bias on the part of the whistle blower for political rival of Donald Trump. This seems like pertinent information. We've got a guy here who is leaking this information who hates trump who is in the intelligence community who is trying to get rid of him presumably from the start. It's Deja Vu all over again. The certainly only sounds like the last note here. Here's where I agree with you guys and where I disagree with you so to the extent that we agree we absolutely agree that the the fact that there are people in the bureaucracy Caracristi people in the intelligent intelligence community who believed that they can make the election simply because they don't like the president who believes that they can leak the apparently the whistleblower didn't even hear the call it was secondhand at best that they can leak that kind of private information the press will play and that the press will play Elliott. This is an existential crisis that that we have a press who is working with the bureaucracy that unseating American president is an absolute constitutional national guards historic no question however if all of that is true and it is also true that Donald Trump is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors then even though I think Donald Trump is probably in the long run less of a threat to the country than the press and the bureaucracy simply because he will eventually turn himself out even Capelli. They're not win the next election or a will in either two to six years or five hundred more cheeseburgers one way or the other. Donald Trump won't be the president but the media and the bureaucracy Z. Being corrupt transcends electoral politics totally agree with that nevertheless not but wrong drummer. Jeremy Agree with you but I also you want to add. I also WanNa add that in truly I've been live through Richard Nixon the only time I ever saw president commitment offense that I thought was vaguely impeachable when Barack Obama used the IRS to silence the opposition and the reason I say that is because the IRS is so powerful and our elections are so important that that was the only the only time I ever thought hey that actually damages my freedom you know Richard Nixon going to Seattle damaged by freedom that actually hurts our our country so my my my standard for impeachment much different than yours certainly agreed that Obama using the irs was peachable offense also probably think that having people burgle the offices of your political opponents is probably also impeachable fence there was that they didn't tape the door right should have done it up and down. I Don sleazy but you know but what I will say is we do have a presumption of innocence in this country one of the things that bothered me today that I read was was actually written by our friend David French who we have we all have good relationships to David French. I know that especially today Greg. I and I know that particularly. You guys have a disagreement with him about trump. I think I have a disagreement with him about trump too but probably not as extreme as yours but he wrote today is he's a great guy. He wrote both in time and at National National Review that as a prosecutor he would have absolutely no problem taking this document walking grand jury through it and demonstrating to them mhm quid pro quo and he does this interesting breakdown just sort of the order of the paragraphs and all I could think was the fact that a good prosecutor accuser could do that right doesn't mean that it's real but and you have a presumption of innocence in the country when I read the transcript for night when I read it this morning after Benson it to me I thought there there is a case. That's plausible that the president's engage in quid pro quo. There's a it's plausible that the president because he is naturally negotiator. That's actually as identity. The way sees himself that he's sort of always angling a little bit to get what he wants and that if you're in the position of the presidency and you're always angling to get what you want and you can't delineate between the personal and the public which I think Donald Trump has a unique difficulty delineating. He thinks aloud it's amazing. He thinks he he thinks he is the company thinks that he's the country in the company and somebody insult him insulting and in the way that he thinks that the attorney general business he thinks the attorney general is his personal lawyer twice as things like you know. I thought that second demand loyalty of people who worked at like that so so this fact that he is sort always negotiating can lead him into very corrupt territory and there's a plausible read of this that says that some version of either that being the most generous that he was just being Goshi ater who can't separate the public from the private or that he was slide out turning the screws on this guy to get quid pro quo you can make a plausible case but a plausible case is is not enough to remove a president. Let me let me go back though to this thing you know. Bill Clinton committed perjury and everybody said well that is an impeachable offense but remember impeach. Each impeachment is a political process. The pimple have to agree and the people said as I think they were absolutely right to say he was lying about sex. We all lie about sex. I think that he was they were absolutely the right to say that because it is a violation of the central premise of the country that we choose the president to throw the president out. I remember when Obama said that thing thing to. I can't remember you have to Shaneco. Whatever his name is where he said? Do you meet your yeah medved. These you know we're not after in the next election more flexibility I can. I remember walking in two at the tie. PJ TV and bill whittle was on the ceiling. I mean he was like you know just furious and he was saying this is treason. This and I thought you know it's actually not treason. He actually has has the right to do that. It simply revelatory of the fact that he's not a good American by the way you can make an argument that that was a key you can read what Brock Obama said to medved as quid pro quo a to definitively quid pro quo because we don't know but again again. It was much much worse than this was much. It was endangering the country. It was a terrible thing to do. It and it just shows what a bad person was but it's not impeachable. I would not say I would not negate the election of Barack Obama over that or anything else you did. Maybe the truth I have a much broader definition of impeachable than most people because I think that the original intent of the founders that people would get impeach fairly regularly. I don't think that they thought of it as a unitary remedy. I don't thing that they thought of it as something that you never do. I think they thought of it is the ultimate. Check on the power of the executive. He's otherwise the executive was going to grow out of control and so the power was to limit their funding and to impeach them and which is why they didn't actually specify what high crimes and misdemeanors meant and left it as a political process with that said I do think that you actually do have to show something criminal and not just suspicion of something criminal in order to justify the American public what is happening here. I think the Bill Clinton ought to have been impeached. He committed perjury. I don't really think he'd take a public opinion. Poll on whether that's popular or not what I think that if you commit a high crime or misdemeanor you ought to be impeached now. The question is whether trump did that. In this case now he has plenary power over foreign policy that gives an enormous amount of power and that is fine. I mean that's that is constitutional. That's how this works right by the way I just as part and parcel of my impeachment thing I think it was in my the ideal world. I think that's impeachable that Barack Obama wants war Libya without any congressional approval and proceeded to depose somebody using American taxpayer dollars. I think that we should have a congress. That's actually in charge of foreign policy the again in terms of approving war before the president's runs off. Willy Nilly and commits us to wars but would that's at the question here is does your foreign policy power extend into the allegation is using American taxpayer dollars in order to forward your political ambitions by targeting and domestic political opponent. I do not think that the president of the United States has power. I also think that has to be proved. So what that means is that. I don't think that the transcript proves anything. I think there there are several oh I think. I think that it is a Roszak test. If you believe that trump is corrupt quid pro quo guy. You think it's corrupt. Quid pro quo document. If that trump is kind of a buffoon who says things then he's a balloon saying things if you think that he is has studiously ignoring you know what what Zelinski is saying is pushing only in the areas where he thinks he ought to then you can read it that way like it is it is subject to go whichever of those interpretations who is not enough. It's not enough. Which is why why this is? GonNa come down to in the end really is the Democrats are going to do a big house investigation and can they come up with one human being who trump said to the human being out loud if they do not investigate Biden. I'm withholding American taxpayer dollars. You think one one person who said that he's in serious trouble. They can't come up with anybody who who said that too it doesn't. I'm not even sure I agree with that that but I'll give that credit but just to go back to what you said about impeachment in an ideal world in an ideal world we change the constitution all the time we have you know we go throughout the country and be able to have a lot of amendments but in the real world in the real world is a bad thing to remove the president in the dramatic country to its traumatic for the country and it strips the people of their choice. He is the choice choice of the people. He's the choice of a constitutionally elected president. I used to say this bomb all the time when I was talking to my right wing friends and they were screaming. He's evil. He's Muslims isn't that I'd say you know he's he's the elected president of the United States in order to get rid of him to try and voting him out of office. See that would be that would be an amazing strategy for the Democrats okay beating them but presumably presumably presumably there are crimes and misdemeanors for each president was the other thing. I just wanted to say if what I would need to impeach him was to see that he was actually manipulating relating his office like Obama did like Obama did when they went after tried to stop trump said that he was manipulating his office for other political purposes so he's not just not just as one conversation where he's being trump. I know what you would need is and so far the the reason this is open so I think in politics typically. There are three answers. Yes no and I don't know and I think the one that nobody likes giving but is almost always is. I don't know and right now this is I don't know situation with shades of no all right like a like. I'm leaning toward now but I mean I don't know why United Ukraine neither is Mitch McConnell right they asked McConnell and McConnell. I have no idea why he was getting pressure from the Republicans to with to restore the ad he was getting pressure from Democrats restore the Ukraine. He wasn't doing it so I don't know the answer to that. I also don't know what world like why why is the State Department sending Rudy Giuliani who Ukraine like. Nobody knows what that's about so all. I'm asking for is like I do not think it is unreasonable. Even though the people who are asking for it are unreasonable unreasonable. I do not think it is an unreasonable request to say we would like answers to these questions right but the people who are doing it to Thanksgiving travel once the people are doing obviously are politically motivated obviously they don't give a crap crap out constitution. Obviously they're not worried about overreaching the presidency. Obviously they are only trying to get trump. All of those things can be true simultaneously but somebody who cares about you know. The people not violating their casulties. I'd like to know the answers to these questions. It would make me more comfortable but at this point the answer is you have improved anything the political aspect of this too is that not one one single person in America cares about aid to Ukraine other than maybe like three Ukrainian Americans but no one cares about that would people care about being able to elect their president and especially at this moment where the legislature has given away so much of its power to the administrative state where it's given away so much of its power with the executive for that matter to the Supreme Court. There is a palpable feeling in the country of helplessness that we cannot choose for ourselves regardless of whether the founders hoped that impeachment would be used regularly it wasn't into wasn't used regularly at all and and arguably in this would probably be my argument every time it was used. It was a bad idea. It was a bad idea to use it against against Johnson in the nineteenth century. It was a bad idea to use it against Nixon. It was a political hit because the Democrats couldn't stand him getting reelected by a landslide. It was the impeachment of Bill Clinton and while there is a legitimate argument for it I think was just payback for Nixon and for Judge Bork and for Clarence Thomas and for Democrats constantly overturning these processes this is and I think it would be wrong to I think would be perceived as wrong. Here's disagree with you about I don't care if the American I'm more. We've I've been on this. I don't think it's fair to say they don't care about the Ukraine. They do care about getting to elect their president. I mean first of all. I know. We talked about this. All the time. More people voted for for Hillary Clinton than voted for Donald Trump so when you say things like the people what the people want we have a system. I prefer the system to mob rule for when you just talk about the people it's disingenuous to say the people elected. Donald trump no the the constitutional system which I prefer to mob rule elected Donald Trump. The people probably didn't actually want Donald trump to be the president. I prefer the system similarly. The people may not care about Ukraine. I don't believe in mob rule. If if we're doing doing something that is illegal then we have to enforce that even the people wished that we wouldn't so it's not like in the UK where the people say Brexit the politicians say no brings no well they the people did say brexit and politician and are standing a thwart the will of the people in contravention of the system. That's not quite the case with what we're talk. Say though in insofar as I agree with with you guys but I would say that's an entirely different story that is he'd sixteen story about this long in which they say well. You know we're looking at a couple of people on the one of the committees. Ladies are looking into this this this agree with that the well but see that's the thing that's why. I say it's a crap. Story is a crap story had like a twenty four seven idea idea. We just got off this Russian collusion thing and personally like I said I think this Wylie Coyote. I think they're going to blow themselves up here. We're going to watch the Democrats do that. Slow thing with a little off off smoke at the if you ask them. Did the president do it. I have no real opinion. Oh I say there's a presumption of innocence he did not do. I agree with you and British moment. I would say I believe he didn't but I I think I could literally speaking no I. I've always been more than a little skeptical of the case that the impeachment of Bill Clinton was horrible for the Republicans in very skeptical of that case the reason I'm skeptical of that case is because the impeachment Bill Clinton meant that Al Gore could not use him in two thousand and George W. Bush became the the president campaigning on restoring honor to the Oval Office so I am not fully sold on the impeaching. Bill Clinton was the end of the Republican Party was the Gingrich wasn't the end of the Republican Party. as far are as would impeachment seriously damage. Democrats here. I think that the country's so polarized I have serious doubts that it would like. It's pretty obvious what the Democrats want to do so now. They just wanted to allow arrange like they've been. They've been saying basically along. They tried to their Peter Kavanagh until five minutes ago well. You're you're. GonNa get to find out because they're going to impeach him. Oh no they will. I'm one hundred percent convinced that I thought you made a good argument. 'cause I do listen to what you're saying but I thought you made a good argument that once they set their foot in it but there's also the argument the Pelosi was do. I mean she did nothing to that. She did not she between problems now. If she doesn't impeach him she'll be seen to exonerate him and that you can't do she has to she they will impeach him in the house oust regardless of whether they have anything and then they'll just argue that the Senate Republicans are corrupted Pi. It's possible but it's also possible. It's also possible. She's a widely person herself and it's also possible well. She's doing this to give them. A little bit mentioned. Say you know what she has said before. Impeachment should be a bipartisan procedure and Mitt Romney is not suffice. I think that I think that the talking about the Senate right yes but no but but she said impeachment should be a bipartisan venture and I don't think they're going to get there with I'm willing. I'm willing to put one hundred bucks on the table that they impeach him. I think that the twenty twenty election changed fundamentally this week and it will no longer be a referendum on Donald trump will be a referendum on the impeachment of Donald Trump because if Nancy Pelosi possible dip below sea does not impeach Donald Trump. She's GonNa lose squad. She's GonNa lose the left twice the head count today. There are two hundred eleven democrats in favor of impeachment. They just need to get up to eighteen so I I think the chances that he's not impeach zero. I think that he I think that he will be impeached. I think that he will be acquitted. The Senate and I think you'll have the two thousand election if Bill Clinton had had one term and the and I will say that there are a couple of other things that matter here. One is what this really signifies advise. Pelosi going forward with this. Is that the Democratic Party has signed off on Joe Biden. They're done with job is basically air. Basically saying is Elizabeth. Warren is our nominee. She's GonNa run on an anti-corruption platform and she's going to say I. I'm sorry which by the way it reminds me of a story that was not covered at all this week I mean at all but is deeply suspicious where you covering this this working families party story you know when it comes to the Elizabeth learn things where you can tell the story lost track of all the things going so the Elizabeth Warren Sense of my story here myself away from his wife. Life is not a deep sleeper though so Elizabeth Warren so they're going to try to run her on the anti-corruption anti-corruption. Yes platform. You can laugh then the but the but the story was from this week that everyone ignored the Working Families Party endorsed Elizabeth Warren over Bernie Sanders in two thousand sixteen eighteen endorse Bernie Sanders and the people of the working families party indoor. There's a vote of the population who are the members and then there's the vote of the board there at least the breakdown in two thousand sixteen eighty seven percent of the members of the Working Families Party voted for Bernie Sanders this time they endorsed Elizabeth Warren so what changed you may ask yourself. One of the things that changes is that in two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen. There's a group called Demos. It is run by a Amelia warranty. Who is the daughter of Warren Forty five thousand dollars to the Working Families Party the Working Families Party then proceeded to endorse Elizabeth Warren over Bernie Sanders and not release the breakdown of the vote because half of the vote is by the board and half the boat is by by the people and so basically the assumption very fast that they didn't release it is highly suspicious. I I think that the the Rippon Elizabeth Warren is is GonNa be in the end that she is deeply insincere because she is she shifts her views very manipulative but she is a lot better at this than Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party basically basically this week gave up on Joe Biden. He's trailing in one national poll. He's trailing in Iowa his trillion Hampshire. She's within margin of error in Nevada in there tied in the YouGov poll nationally right right now it's end and she is now pulling into the lead in in California as well so he's he's done. I think I think what we're seeing beginning of the end of Joe Biden barring some sort of cataclysmic collapse by Elizabeth Warren and so it was okay we see where the momentum's going if biting goes down over this whole Ukraine thing if we have to push biden over in order to get trump them to also be knocked over then. I guess that's what we'll have to do like if Biden is seen as corrupt and also trump is eunice drop we can survive that and so- Elizabeth Warren will be our nominee. She'll run on the I'm. I'm the Crusader who started the consumer finance protection bureau which is an which is a scam but still she has that image and they'll run that against trump and I mean frankly. I think that people on the right are a little too sanguine about how the election goes. I agree no she. She's a good candidate. I've been watching her. The obviously the press this is back in one hundred percent but still she's. She has a good she doesn't have on their abilities. As Hillary Clinton thirty years of record of being off many corrupt Sheriff Phil Guy Ah the Pocahontas thing is a good hit. you know you can only use it so long. Eventually they'll come up with a strategy about but I think it really annoys black people because because it's look at in the same way military people see guys walk around in uniform but never served as stolen valor. I think they see two stolen victim and that she basically pretended to be a minority in order when she wasn't is about raising taxes will will hurt her yup she. She's she's kind of like a she's a pretend believer and also thinking at some point here. Bernie Sanders will open open up his guns on her and so far he has been pretty silent about her. You know their series to drew's point. There is a demographic issue here. Which is that Joe? Biden is the only serious candidate who it has black support and that's collapse. Obviously he's trailing now. It looks like an Iowa. He's not looking good in Hampshire and he dropped eighteen points since in South Carolina which is where actual black Democratic primary primary voters are so what happens I mean. Does Elizabeth Warren pick up that support starting to she has she said what she has shown that none of the other candidates have and she is rising among all demographic groups right now and so that was always my supposition is that there's going to be hard for for her to remove the black support from him but there's also momentum questions so the order of the primaries is Iowa New Hampshire Nevada and South Carolina. If she wins the first three then he's he's toast Super Tuesday and that's California Orange Massachusetts. That's that's those are. GonNa go further left them but Biden's but remember. There's also the issue of whether blacks turn out to vote. I have been saying for a long time that I think think a Lotta black more black people are going to vote for Donald Trump in the polls will ever show because I think the lie about it I think the lie but when they come out of the voting booth and I think that nobody's going to see it until the reverse Bradley Effect Yeah Right Right I don't. I don't think that that's impossible but I think it's a hard thing to speculate about known we honestly what some of our daily wire dot com subscriber mistake especially because today we launched our new daily wire dot com the brand new website and I'm pleased to announce that we will we will have a future rollout within less than a week of the daily. Wire Mobile APP STORE NO Shapiro store opening soon and then just in time so because today's day that we launched the new site. We're really proud of it. It's a huge upgrade for people to come to our website much faster much more elegant much better looking better. 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Can I take this Jer I don't think fails I think you have to define success to be able to measure it as to whether or not it's a success or failure you assume in saying that it will fail that the intention of the Democrats to remove Donald Trump from office through impeachment the process. I don't think that that would be insane. Yeah th they're not crazy enough to think that they don't control the Senate they would have to have not only control of the Senate but a supermajority in the Senate in order to combat impeachment that happens in the house and then it goes to the Senate for conviction right so they're not doing this to remove Donald Trump. They're doing it actually because of a less I think because of a lesson that they learned during the Obama years you'll remember right after the two thousand twelve election that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell got together and they had a confab and John Bainer came out and said we will we decided that no matter what Barack Obama does under no circumstances. Will we impeach him said this out loud to be about like saying no matter what my five year old does I will never ever lock up the drugs so you you've removed even the specter of any kind of constraints on the office and we saw what happened Rock Obama his first term he was further. Let any of us would like of course but he was with the exception of Obamacare. He was a normal run-of-the-mill Democrat presidential took his second term is when he does all the big social moves to reorient the country sort of on a per trajectory toward the left and the tea party was so so incensed no matter how many times they sent messages to our politicians we we gave Ted Kennedy's Senate seat in Massachusetts right a tour Republican to Stop Rock Obama's agenda. We gave the House to the Republicans to Stop Barack Obama's agenda we gave the Senate Republicans to Sap Rocco thousand seats around the country and then they said yeah. We've got it all but unless we have the White House we're not GONNA do anything and in many ways I think that that decision precipitates the election of Donald Trump as much as any other thing that happened knit incensed the the movement Yum and I think that what Nancy Pelosi learned from that and it may be she may have been slow getting there but I think she's absorbed the lesson now watching the rise of the Bernie Sanders fans watching the rise of the squad watching the popularity of she has come to realize if we don't take if we are not seen to take major action against this president our own base is not going to show up for us. The the rust belt workers may show up for us but the actual hard core died absorb rather than margin. That's right you co opt rather than so. It's a huge the victory for her to impeach the president not because she's trying to oust him and you might say right but what if the right rises to his defense and they lose the election. I think Nancy Pelosi would rather lose the presidential election of course of course then lose the support of the base for the party more generally and for herself and for herself clearly earlier this year when she was so in many ways she must impeach the president and it and it is a victory. I think that's right. I'm I'm convinced I'm not convinced that won't happen so don't think I'm saying no. You guys are absolutely wrong. I think the odds a lot higher than against them think they are. I don't think she wants to do it and I think I think the thing is. They want to do this. Kabuki show there's an amazing amazing creek. They get a lot of What's the word looking for encouragement from the media to do this. So that's the one reason I think that they might impeach because the media will go nuts and will be I mean there are already got him. You know don't see how suffering the detrimental like. My big problem is not that I can see why she wouldn't wondered I totally soon. I don't think I walked just no way I mean she's she's come out once you say keep the charade going off for the so that the gets worse and worse for her the closer guess election if she's GonNa Impeach Him. She needs to impeach him back. I don't no no because at some point you people decided yeah says let the people decide how she can do that. She can't she. She's going to have to bring this thing up for a vote. If it goes down it it goes down which is going to have to bring it up for. There's even a world where she works behind the scenes to but there's no world where she does it. Bring it to the reason I mean listen. The a bunch of the quote quote unquote moderate. Democrats have our elected. They signed the what was her name is. Span Burger the one who who ran for Dave brats seat in Virginia right but she just sent that that letter along with seven other moderate Democrats Washington Post calling for the opening of the announcement as a pretty good indicator that even the moderates in the Party of someone this link Alicia number number two KEN says is trump jumping into the California homeless crisis. A good campaign strategy or is it just a waste of time in state. We all know he can't win. Actually take two questions and aerobics the exact same question because your premise is dead. He wants to fix the homeless problem in California of of course that's that would be insane if Donald Trump thinks that him getting behind an issue will change the hearts and minds of California's up. Oh No. It's a huge win for donald trump because the premise is that the average republican voter in the country despises California and so he's he wades into this he wins automatically. Klay to think that it's about changing so it's it's a big troll and it it also the homeless problem in L. A. In particular for those people who don't know it's increased increased sixteen percent in one year the homeless population in just. La City what's happened one year ago. Don't add so Gosh. I don't know I couldn't couldn't uh-huh remember. I San Francisco Same Crazy homelessness problem. I this is something I like about trump that we he knows not only had a troll but had to pick issues whereas kind of the old egghead Ed Republicans think that people are going to jump out of bed because they're so excited about the a courtroom tile in the marginal. Actually nobody gets excited about that except for us the people in this room but the thing you get excited for us. Hey those filthy dirty rotten bums on the street who are leaving needles all over the place and affecting my kids walk to school and crazy easy. Californian crazy commie in la La land. I want the president to talk about that now. Do the synthetic version of that was that not the sympathetic versus the simplistic version. Is there a lot of people who are suffering living on the streets. Oh yes they are and that it is a problem with everybody who's tax paying citizen of the city of Los Angeles sympathize sympathize with those actually means just going to clarify interview the purpose and if you want to fix it you have to Kevin newsome if you elect the guy who turn San Francisco into one big homeless rookie though right to be governor of the entire state. You can't be surprised if a year later homelessness in the rest most of the state has also and this is actually a real. This is the way I think it is true by the way I feel like you're not helping any of the homeless people by what in California especially it's GonNa make a huge percentage of these folks drug addicts. A huge percentage of them are suffering from serious mental disorders. They're dangerous themselves or they're dangerous to others. It is nothing but cruelty the people living in their own filth and feces on the liberal. I I would start I would start by making it illegal to be homeless and then just just not not to hurt the homeless people to force the government to start building emergency shelters. Yes getting them off. The streets should be illegal. You may not know that the city council of L. A. Actually did pass a measure to build emergency at one point seven billion dollars average cost per unit yeah five hundred seventeen thousand dollars and and it's GonNa take a decade real aspect of it. I mean jokes aside like the actual aspect of this for trump is that you do have this major opioid epidemic. You do have a lot lot of veterans who were living on the street. You do have a lot of actually very sympathetic empathetic people who've been left behind and you have a major prop taxpayers. I mean like I've lived. Look through my entire life my entire life and nice suburban areas you now have to worry about open needles on the streets and people are talking to themselves and having bathed in in seven eh on the street and what people don't live in California. I don't know maybe we pay thirteen percent in state income tax and this team percent in the richest state in the country the fifth largest economy in the world in addition to our federal income tax we pay about half of the national taxes again just justice state of California. We have potholes and needles on the important. It's important to say to you know unlike unlike knows. I do care very deeply about the heart for the homeless. I I do believe that. There are many people sticking addiction as a kind of sickness and author. Mueller said that he said that it's not wrong. Young also to worry about the normal people who we have when you have a city it has to be a livable place for have to be places for the rich have to be paid for the middle class to live good places for uh-huh the lower class to live. That's the city works and if it doesn't work that way in any work. I promise not to be the first person to answer the third question. At least I'm going to Oh call an audible and take the third question just kidding. This question comes from Thomas. He says since two thousand sixteen he's been saying that the left and the right are watching the same screen but seemingly naming Louis a different movie. How did we get here. And how do we get past as I have. We got here because we wanted it. This is what we wanted. This was is the purpose of the conservative movement. This is I mean it may be now. We don't like the results of it but the purpose of the conservative movement that Phyllis Schlafly and Barry Goldwater and Bill Buckley talked about was to create read a choice not an echo to break up that liberal consensus one of the complaints about political scientists in the thirties and forties was that the two parties were indistinguishable they they didn't have any real ideological character to them and so- Buckley comes in and takes a liberal Republican Party and turns it into a Conservative Party and the parties have become polarized over the years more and more so in many ways you also had the new left come in in the nineteen sixties actually right around the same time that the conservative movement was blowing up. You had the Democratic Party moving further to the left. This is not right for national unity and you had a breakdown of common culture that coincided at this exact time but it does give you a choice. It just gives you a lesson com. I'll give an an answer a better answer. A Better answer is that the media did this and when I say the reason that the media did this is because with the media did is they did very horrible and dishonest thing of conflicting fact and opinion and so people started saying okay well hold up if you are conflicting fact and opinion and you're saying that your opinion is fact act and I can look at the same fact pattern and drive a completely different opinion from that and my opinion is also fact so you're looking at the same pattern and you have the people who are taking their opinions and mistaking those for facts to the point where we can't even agree on the central fats anymore whereas if you can start a conversation by saying okay. Here's the basis for the conversation this fact this fact like this fact now. Let's do opinion then you can have a conversation with people but when somebody takes the facts in so ingests it and digest sit into their own opinion that it becomes an integral part of their opinion and the opinion is you cannot separate it out from the fact and then somebody else can do the same thing with that set of facts where you end up with is these two agglomerations of opinion in fact in which which you can't tell the opinion from the fact that they have no relationship seriously. It's a seriously harmful thing to have so much of the communications machinery three of the country in the hands of one party it really seriously visit thing and it means that the means the guy on everything when they're even when this is this has been my complaints about trump's USA USA fake news is trump will say fake news and half the time he's of course exactly right and half the time he saying it about something that is obviously not fake news and the problem is that because the media are are in fact the fake news characterized because they're not news people because they're opinion people then when he says fake news we go so everything they're saying is a lie well and so that it is also even when he's wrong but yeah. I guess my only I wanna hit the media as much as I I mean it's always always is fake news even when they get the right always inside right my only point. I can't believe I'm defending the media. Just I do always go back to that Menken and can line about democracy that democracy theory that the people know what they want and they deserve to get a good and hard and that we do in the media we get the media that we want in many ways as I mean there were huge corrupt institutions and it's run by one party but we do get a certain amount of sensationalism we do get the blurring of fact and opinion that people do desire there is not as much of a market ticket for more bland journalism that is just straight back on and say that's totally fair but it's also true that corporations have glommed onto the fact he has big government is good for gas stations and they clearly if they don't even. I was talking about this on this show this week. They don't even have to be corrupt while they have to hire people who all have the same opinion and they will begin to think that that's that's reality. 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Four years old named named Carson King and Carson King is a is I think the security guard and he went to in Iowa football game and he was outside. ESPN college game. I'm Dave he was holding up a sign that said something like I want more funds for beer then Melanie put his Co.. And this became a viral thing and he raised one point one four million dollars going after your money going after beer money and he proceeded to give one million dollars to cancer research at the University of Iowa which is a phenomenal story. This guy is not living high on the HOG. He's a security guard. He could use that million dollars. It's still had been a funny story to make a die rich overnight for holding a sign that says I want beer right and he didn't do that. He's at the money and you give for cancer. Research which is a study thing wasn't a children's Children's is unbelievable. It's Moines Register reports on this then that one register starts checking through his twitter history. They dig up a couple of tweets that he made that were apparently references to tosh point. Oh back in like eight years ago so back in two thousand eleven and then they canceled pulled him anheuser-busch which was forming a relationship with him to matches donations and then there might have done as with him or something they cancelled it because they said his values don't match our values and suddenly a guy who no one unheard of until five seconds ago and only because he did an unbelievably cool thing you know suddenly is canceled and the good news is that people really rallied around him. The boy register rushed rush the amount that they lost a bunch of subscribers people like unmasks unsubscribe from the Damore and register the the state of Iowa passed a car hard. They're gonNA declare one of these days Carson King Day as well as well. They should cause. F- These people real honestly if your life is about digging through people's past tweets and the crap that they've said ten years ago or even five years ago which they may disagree with right now and your life is about that because they got famous and you didn't. You're jealous little piece. We'll we'll then. This is the thing the people who do this have never accomplished anything. HEISMAN trophies they get to host the Oscars. The people who take them down have nothing and the only reason they do it is because the person became successful going cared about Kevin Hart doing anything until Kevin Hart and the minute you reach that apex then all the guns training and it's like well if I take down that guy then I'm famous and dinner and you know what you're not famous. You're not better. You're just a piece of and and you know it is does apply to Donald Trump won. The one thing is I know we pick. We all pick on trump. Even I become an idol for the yeah for the stuff. There's not a lot but I do but in the barnacles off his back but but it takes a certain amount of craziness craziness to stand up to these people and I literally this story today by the way I turn to Germany and the free ask him and the first thing that I said was this is where Donald trump is is is an important amazing figure. It's why he even turned to somebody today. I think it might have been you know and I was like listen. I'm not asking the trump not be kind of garbage like just like take it down like twenty three we all feel because because if he could if he could just be a culture warrior on issues like this he'd be president forever really because like this kind of stuff. I think that no one in the country has a taste for its except for the woke left on twitter and the people they can intimidate he can I can ask question. Bring bring you back to topic that you had before you brought you brought this up before and I so agree with us about the fact that the intelligence community is now working with the press to basically the government they want and cancel out deep state thing believing that soon Kim strassel constructional ran a piece. I think it was last week. She's been doing a great talk about Obama. Gate all started and she said you know if you watch the timing just before a story breaks exposed the intelligence community and anonymous intelligence sleek brings a story to the four what threatens to wipe it off the front page. We know that the I g the Inspector General of the DOJ has turned in the first draft of his looking into how this collusion story got started and then this leak comes from partisan whistleblower guy we think is a partisan whistle blower on a story that he wasn't involved in basically does that change your calculation of how you treat Donald Trump because I totally admit I say this on the show all the time. I'm not calling balls and strikes. I'm not calling balls choice because the two teams are not playing for the same thing and that one of the teams is actually playing to listen. I've always had they call balls and strikes but I'm calling balls and strikes conservative meaning that I can agree with everything you just said and also think that the present engine engaging quid pro quo with oh I do so but it doesn't change no it doesn't change my estimation of trump and my estimation of the threats that face the country which just tweeting that is up the level which like there's times when I say Gee. You know AH trump. I'd like it to go and slap him for what he did but the the other side they hate the first amendment. They hate the second amendment. They're socialists. They're open social. They say America was never great. They're are not patriots so well. I mean if what you mean is he stands in sharper relief. Of course that's true but I I don't feel like my opinion of him has changed. I feel like my my opinion left has changed so making the blacks black or on a on a TV screen. You have an estimate the whites white or you just made the blacks right and so yes. The contrast is wider later. The contrast is wider. I feel about Donald trump basically the same way. I felt every day since he became public figure again in two thousand fifteen. I don't really think as a character I've changed my opinion about about trump. There are certain things I've changed my opinion about his politics effectiveness of his approach right those things I feel like I've changed my opinion about and been pretty obvious about that but when it comes to does it change my my opinion of of him no because I think that regardless of what the intelligence community I mean he was saying deep state when I didn't think that the deep state was a thing he's still saying deep state so now. I just think he's right. So is it so it's so. I think that you know if it's changed in any way I will say that. I always thought he had gut instincts. Maybe they're even better than I thought they were meaning that he can sense. He consents enemies very quickly yeah very very good syncing enemies. He's got almost an innate uncanny sense being able to spot when somebody's threat to him and he will call that out now. I think he's overplayed that but in an arena danger which is what politics is. I think that he is that that's an effective skill. I would say this. I think that what you're what you're really trying to get out of the question. Is your friend just curious I wanted I think yeah but I think you're trying to get me to answer a question on a set of terms that that I don't accept because I think where we really disagree agree. Fundamentally is actually a little bit higher than the quest than than the question of Donald Trump. It's in two ways of looking at the world. You look at the world as as though there are no. They're only is what is I like looking at. The world is that there are only is what is from a making making decisions about how you're going to behave in a moment point of view. I don't like it any more philosophical conversations because it just suppose too much in my view so in some ways what you're saying when you ask your entire approach to the election for example your approach to the election. It's going to be donald trump or it's going to be Hillary Clinton. Yes that was my approach. I think this is your personal exit and I think what you're asking me right. Now is since the left is revealed to be worse and worse and worse than the bureaucracy bigger and bigger threat in the intelligence community a bigger and bigger Erin bigger threat. Doesn't that make you have to support trump more because he is the thing that standing in the gap right now and that is true that right now. He's the standing in the gap. I would not support him being bad even to defeat things that are worse nets the line that I that's the one that I can't cross because I don't accept that. It's that binary. I don't accept that the only options are that we sully ourselves completely in in an attempt to stand against them or we sell or surrender or we surrender. I just don't think that those are the only two options and I don't think that corrupt it wasn't is there. Am I willing to get my hands dirty. Berkshire mobile into get messy yeah well vote for the guy in his reelection. Likely I think we've got a lot of miles between here in real between here and the election election in this new cycle. We could learn anything if the election were today. Would I vote for the for Donald Trump to be president I would so it's not some sort of pristine pure were like the super never-trumper position near the the the the remaining never-trumper all five of them. That's not my that's not my position but it's sort of like in a war to use an analogy if we were in a war and the question is if we have to fly our bombers there's at altitude because there's so much flack that if we fly low and slow we're going to lose all of our planes and not in any targets therefore we have to fly high. Am Fast and the the result of fine high and fast as it was in in western Europe in World War. Two is that our bombs aren't going to be as precise and we're going to kill more civilians but the only way to defeat the machinery of Nazi Germany then you make the decision that Churchill made and you go we're GONNA fly high and fast and we're going to get rid of the the Nazis even if it requires us to get our hands dirty I'm all for that but if what Churchill had said is we need to go to every town and village that we liberate and anyone who speaks speaks German. We need to put in camps and we need to work them until they die or put them in gas chambers. I would go. Oh Yeah No I. I'm not willing to to be that to beat them because I reject the premise that us being that defeats them being chain agree with. I guess maybe what Jeremy's asking us for. You be a little more precise decisive question. What exactly do you want me to change in my opinion about trump well. I guess what what I mean is when I openly say this openly trump at a really stupid thing that I hate but you know it's not it doesn't cost that threshold. I an election is a binary choice. The world is not a binary place. That's why politics can make you stupid right because sometimes you have to do the dirty thing to get get the right result. There is something that he could do that. Of course there is of course the risk asking is that there is something no question about we all agree on this and and we might not agree exactly but we're I think we're probably the three of us are pretty closely this yeah I was Gonna say I mean if launch nuclear weapons every three end of the threshold loosens Bush I so I think the answer there is in some ways yes but that's not as a result of me you thinking. The stuff is okay. It's as a result of the status quo itself being changed overton windows do right exactly meaning that the reality that was presented in two thousand sixteen and with which I refuse to engage was a reality in which there is a tie trump timeline in a hillary timeline and either we went it was going to degrade the country but my hope was that by not engaging in saying no pox on all of this that would still present enough of a front that people maintained a certain level of future time. There's a third future time line where some people stood at the Warton said listen. You're GonNa make your choice but I disapprove of like all of this crap and I don't like any of it okay then that passed because the world was what was and the stand that people made in two thousand sixteen was no longer relevant because the moment had passed and now the stand didn't didn't have anything do with the election of the the Stan changed because from now the president and it was are you willing to say that what he is doing is bad and wrong when he's doing something bad and wrong so if the the question is why vote for him in two thousand twenty 'cause my threshold has changed. No I vote for him in two thousand twenty which I'm likely to do is because the reality has changed not because my threshold change. I have exactly actually the same objections I if I could if I could race some of the things that I think have gone wrong in the country because he's president I would do it. If I that doesn't mean I would want Hillary Clinton to be president and God forbid. I think she would have been way worse. As president and I think a lot of the same bad things would have happened with Hillary Clinton as president. I think a lot of different bad things would have happened with Hillary Clinton as president but because because again I I said before we we now are living in the sunk cost world. All the costs have been song. I don't think the world is getting incrementally worse because trump is president every day is the argument of the Real never-trumpers. Their argument is is anything in this good from bad for the country right. He's the longer he's an office. It makes the country right and I don't think that's true. I think basically that after the election we are living in trump land and trump. Glenn was trump land and trump has been trump land since the day he this is the day after the election and that really has not altered like nothing here with even with Ukraine is is even with Ukraine story. I don't think anything is fundamentally also now if he if he did commit a quid pro quo. I think that fundamentally alters the nature of reality get in a certain way and that and then things shape. I could probably clarify what Ben said. I largely agree with it. What I really think is that my never trump position in two thousand sixteen eighteen was premised on the idea that the greater threat to the Hillary is a was a massive threat to the country but I believed that a I couldn't voted for for her even even with what I'm about to say but I believe that an even greater still threat to the country was if the Republican Party the party the only party with conservative Senate that it surrendered its values if it if it changed fundamentally what it stood for that in the long run that's a greater threat to the country because the president's GonNa come and go the only hope for the countries that somebody's still stands for these founding principles and I thought that we were by in backing Donald Trump. I thought we were risking. Being forsaking those principles to Ben's point. Donald trump gets elected. I'm I'm disabused of some of that because he is more conservative than I thought that he would be There is also the sunk cost thing which whatever damage is done is done but the reason that my position on trump remains different than your position on trumper. Michael's position on trump over time isn't because I'm still maintaining the position that I had in twenty sixteen about trump. I'm not trump is now. He is what he is. He is our president right. I mean we never trumpers right. Now are waving are waving a taxi. That's already departed. the reason that I'm critical of the president now is because I still believe that the only hope long term for the country isn't just short term political expedience. It's someone still standing all I wanted to all I want in politics today for as far as my involvement not what I'd like to see happen for my evolvement all I want is that the things that I stood for before trump and the things that I stand for after trump up to be the same things I don't want it to be the case that I claim to have all these beliefs these these philosophical beliefs these moral beliefs but I give all that up as long as we're winning but you mean the only thing it's not to say that you want every political position you held ten years ago to be the the same as your position that you're talking about foundational Prince on Dacian principle rights and that's why I think that when Jeremy and I are on the same side on this quid pro quo thing which is like if it gets approved that so let's put it straight up. If it's proved straight out that he said to Rudy Giuliani or anybody else I am withholding the Ukrainian aid until they investigate and go after Joe Biden. Do you think that's impeachable. If that's the while I stood impeach him signing but I have to say I probably wouldn't impeach president that will this is the issue. I wouldn't have beat. I think if he if he only did that all the time if he did a number of times yeah if he was leveraging the if he was leveraging the value of the country which belongs to us for his political purposes the way Obama seems to have done in a constant way yeah then moving to impeachment territory but but if he if he made some kind of remark is rarely about a pattern usually it's about an incident meeting if Barack Obama Emma caught on tape saying to somebody I am withholding aid to Israel almost Israel Investigates Donald Trump and and finds dirt on him yeah for sure say impeach the guy a one hundred percents impeach the guy and I think we all would have at the time and I think that I think that if you allow Putin to come in and kill a bunch of Ukrainians so that one of the potential people who might run against you in a forthcoming presidential election might possibly be hurt if you're presumptions about what actually took place for right you gotta go right but it but again. This is all hypothetical we're trying to we're trying to hone in on sort. Yes I mean to me. My my rule has always been if it's something where I would condemn Obama. I'll condemn trump for it and if it's something where things NCR Obama should have been impeached all say the same thing about trump because the minute that we start shifting the standard based on that nobody has any standards and then then as well then then it's not wars and then politics is in war by other means it's war. This is one of the flight ninety three election analogy that went around in two thousand Sixteen Joe Goldberg had this great line today or this week on twitter recess. Every says people seem to forget what happened to flight ninety three no. I never liked that analogy and I if I was on flight ninety three crash right you'd rather crush the play Bingo where the plane is. The of my view of politics is that while we always treat it like it's that urgent the truth. Is that country it's to survive. No yeah and I cannot be urgent if the countries to survive. We can't truly believe I had this argument. Dennis prager. We're Dennis was saying Yup. Hilary Clinton is elected. It's the end of the country and I said to him well. I don't see quitting your job relegated like so. What are you GONNA do not go into work the next day and so that that but that attitude is what leads I think to the okay well no matter what he does then at least better than them and it's like well yes yes and no yes and no but whatever whatever he does maybe better than them but whatever you say is okay make the country worse than it was five minutes specifically uh-huh specifically on the quid pro quo idea. We all read the transcript. I don't think any of US thinks that this is evidence. That trump was engaging a quid pro quo even as Zielinski. I was trying to do that but I don't think it's clear or it's not clear that he was I. It doesn't seem to me that he was doing that. We're also losing the context of the call itself or even the ask itself which is Joe Biden is the sitting vice president apparently putting a lot of pressure threatening to withhold a billion dollars in aid at a very crucial time for Ukraine lane so that for his own son and for his own presidential ambitions to get his derelict son out of trouble for prosecutor. May or may not have been looking if they found that to be true should he have been impeaches vice president well. I'll answer that one second but I'll answer but I want the first part of question answer yes because in that case no what what I want to point out is the Obama administration face no consequences for that Obama face no consequences for any of his other egregious oversteps and so my look impeachment is one of great prudential character. I don't like impeachment. I don't think any of the attempted impeachments should have taken place and so I'm I'm just pulling ending the poor pushing the brakes rather on that even when an applies to trump even if I'm uncomfortable with the behavior and I have to say you you have to give credit when I voted for trump which I'm really proud and I think I did the right thing. I knew I was taking a risk. I said I actually wrote his thing where I said. I'm taking this risk for my country because I think if I'm right if I'm right. I thought it was a five percent chance I was wrong. Now I look back. I think there's a one percent chance I was wrong but at the time I thought hypersensitive guys as bad as I hate him and there's a five percent chance he's as bad politically. I think think I thought it was worth risking my reputation and my morals to do what I thought was right for the country. I'm glad I did it. I'm glad it worked out. I could be sitting here. I could be outside died asking for money because no one would hire voted for a Nazi but let but I I didn't. It didn't turn out that way. I thought that was the right thing to do. The only thing I would say to is one way in which I agree with the Kirk Kirch Liquors Kirch liquid. WHO's a friend of mine so I'm not that's right and he's a grim. They need a lawyer. He's a hilarious guy. We we can't be so clean. You can't be so clean that they hit us with a lead pipe while we're dancing around with Marcus official Queensboro notes but this is the I get offended by that. Yes it away. 'cause not me an warmest days. All we do all for for seven security because I fight the left no but it's not the question whether we fight. It's a question how we find the Kirch like now. There's the here's the problem they're still diapers off the left whey more than all the people think they're dancing around the lead pipe so mls. Thursday fact about fact. There's very few conservatives in America with this just because of the numbers game yeah. That's your but there's an there's the old joke about the guy who goes up to the GAL and he says you know but you have sex with me for five right. She's like yeah. I mean if I make a quick you know. Write the check coca-cola. would you take about. What kind of girl do you think? I am but we've established. We're kind of girl. You are the price of course that's all of some well. That's right. That's all of this. The jokes funny because we can all relate to it. I am willing to compromise of course I'm not but there is a there is a degree of compromise at which you you've you have actually fundamentally changed the nature of the thing right neither despite you know we we agree on this and the funny thing about trump. You thought there's a five percent percent chance that it would be a mistake catastrophically bad. I thought that there was a five percents that he'd be catastrophically bad too but only a five percent yes. That's not what kept me for voting for him. What kept me from voting for him is that I thought that there was a seventy five percent chance that he would be a a creature of the left not of the right and that he would fundamentally gut the actual philosophical immoral core of our movement in such two way that when he was gone. I wasn't sure what we were fighting for anymore. I wasn't that wrong like you. The five percent worse case scenario thing didn't happen the the seventy five percent thing half of it. I was wrong about which is I thought he'd give us like his sister to be a Supreme Court justice. I thought the guy just has been a Democrat his whole life and he's GonNa glad that he is not governed as a democrat. They haven't let them get together but if you're asking do do. I think that our Party has done more than just sully itself but as compromise itself to the point that it isn't sure what it is anymore. I do think that I think that we only in this moment where it will go in the future. I don't know in this moment. I think the only identity that our party has is anti left I think when when rush limbaugh changed the slogan of his show from the from the advanced conservative studies to the Advanced Institute of anti leftist. I switched back I think he did but it was. Actually it was in an honest moment because we used to not everyone who votes Republican but will use to in the core of the movement the about conservatism and then in the moment of trump at the core of the movement. Were just about fighting the let s you were. I disagree with you about this is I think trump is a symptom of that phenomenon. I think you know I guess Ted Cruz about this and I I love cruise but he's a politician as hard to get an honest answer and I said look you know Tucker Carlson. This wonderful line where you sort of happy. Country doesn't elect Donald Trump. That's not something that happens. Unhappy Country the Republican conservative movement in my opinion had failed. I thought I failed in three specific ways. I think think it failed by supporting the wars of the Freedom Agenda which turned out to be an overstep that was that was a big thing I think it failed to restrain the a legislative staff the administrative state because nobody actually wanted to do the work and I know you and I have disagreed on this but I think it failed the people in the heartland of the country by talking about free markets while they start. I don't kill themselves just just as just as I think failed. I think it collapsed. I think it is I said this almost immediately after the election I I think we're living in a room without gravity and the furniture's voting around. Nobody knows where it's going to come down and I think that that's the phenomenon were seen. I think trump is part of that. What I'm hoping hoping for and strategizing for and praying for is that after trump there is a new conservative movement because the Cold War's over guys you know Reagan Conservative is out the date. We need a new concern. I don't believe I don't believe it's out of date. I don't believe I don't believe that the founding principals principals out of date but to apply and I don't agree that the conservatism conservatism failed the Republican Party failed that there was this huge populous movement toward conservatism that happened during the Obama years and no matter how much power Howard gave the Republican Party the Republican Party betrayed absolutely refused surgery. I think that if conservatism had been more. Oh realistic more responsive see what maybe they wouldn't have done that but look. I think that's a fair comment as a couple of things one. I think that on economics you are. You are doing a fair bit of revisionist. Vision is history. I am not aware of the Republican Party that was small government and universally pro free trade and anti steel subsidies and anti an anti specific tariffs. They weren't anti George W Bush spent more money than creases okay. George W Bush was a big spender campaigned on compassionate concerns about the exact ah he campaigned on exactly when it came to spending the agenda that Donald Trump he gave us new entitlements on grew to give us all the things that gave us security that he essay right exactly the big government Manatt super-conservative guy who happened to share a couple of socially conservative values and like tax cuts. I mean that that was really kind of what it was and so I'm not aware of this this Republican Party that you're of which you speak and and whose agenda failed so I don't think that that was actually ever the agenda in terms of practice or even in terms of campaigning when they were complaining Companions Compassionate Conservatives in two thousand. I think the the the last conservative Roy campaigned as a small government conservative was Ronald Reagan. No one has done it since George H W Bush did it and then betray lost right right the conservative movement failed. I mean by not having an by the way we did not fail on pro-life succeeded wildly on pro-life. Yeah okay this but everything Liam staying calm conservative movement did not collapse because of Donald Trump. Donald trump was elected because the conservative movement collapsed okay. The conservative movement movement collapsed into rage. It didn't collapse because it didn't collapse because of principle it collapsed because of frustration and lapsed into who will punch these people in the Grill Donald Trump what because donald trump listen running on on John Boehner gave us Donald Trump yeah I mean I I agree with us. It was it was jumping was the most pressing personnel but the the more than that so you said that you know right now you don't regret your vote and Jeremy. You sort of said that that you also don't regret your vote. Here's my my answer. I don't know yet okay so I and I know that sort of a cop out but I really don't know yeah so so I think that I I've been very clear about and what about my vote I got wrong and that was his how he would govern and then there's the long term ramifications of the trump presidency and I have no no but who does nobody but I think I thank you think you know. I don't know that's not that's not it. That's not I think because I don't I have no basis to judge and that's you have to vote in the moment. You have to devoting time. Nobody knows the few now you've already said. You can't say I'm GonNa Phone in my vote twenty years from now and I'm not blaming you anytime during the election right I said like I'm excuse me for three hours when I told we're gonNA vote for trump until he was like it was kind of the godfather when Sonny gets in the way you talk it was like being machine-gun okay but when but when it came to people who explained why but then by the time you voted for trump you voted for trump. No I mean I never at any point said people should actively actively not vote. I said I can't do it but I never say oh and I don't. I don't believe I don't blame you for not doing it. I'm I'm invited to the point. I'm making is that when it comes to the the questions of things in life we regret because that is inherently retrospective and I'm not talking about in the moment and the moment. You always feel good about what you're doing. You're doing it in the moment so now. We're talking about retrospective. 'cause that was the topic of conversation so you're saying in retrospect you don't you are very you feel fulfilled. These feel good about how you voted and I don't know. I don't know like I feel bad about the fact that I got him wrong on politics. I don't feel bad about how I felt about him on character because I think that he's proved to be all the things that I thought he was. I think that in in terms of what the country has been you know and and what has been done to the country not just by trump also by mostly the reaction to trump right the and that's not trump's fault. That's that's from being in the left just losing its mind right. I'm just going way off the rails again. So trump's presence is not responsible for that in the same way that when I go on campus and people lose their demise. I'm not responsible for that but it is true that the campus is the worst place because I'm there right but it's because of that. I don't know yet and and the one thing that I'm afraid of their things. I'm afraid of these fears still obtain but I'm not sure they're avoidable anymore. Was Germany's concerned that the Republican Publican party would be soul sucked embrace. A bunch of stuff never would have before not even in terms of policy because the Republican Party goes up and down in terms of spending and in terms of tennis disparate elements to it as well right and it's got a lot of different stuff in it but in terms of the the like today when people were militantly. I mean I saw like me. He's absolutely innocent. He's one hundred percent and this transcript exists. Ah Him and I just thought to myself. No it doesn't okay. It doesn't like the transcript may not prove the case against him and I'll say I don't think it brings the case. I agree with you. It doesn't prove the case against him but if you read that transcript and you had this was in fact the greatest conversation his right then then I don't know how that's in the realm of reality call the cause of the presumption of innocence. It doesn't have to exonerate not condemn it so the two things that I was afraid of our that he would that he would soul suck the Republican Party and I don't no no. That's just as long as whoever's presidents the president that's how it goes meaning that you follow. Bush when he's the president you follow Obama when he's the president trump when he's the president and that's just how it goes because that's that's how we operate and then you hope for a better president them down tough real right so maybe that or maybe there's been a fundamental shift in what will be allowed from now on why getting this is that's. I don't know yet. I'm hoping that it's the former. I'm hoping that it's like okay for the moment everybody's like okay. We'll exit each other and then there will come a time where we don't have to throw Brits at each other won't throw bricks at each other anymore and in that time it will be moral again not throw bricks and then. I'm worried obviously about something that Republicans have decided to not worry about ever again which is the serious demographic problems facing the Republican Party and I think that's I mean president. Trump is like for all of the talk and windy about how he is going to drive about the masses and he's won the white working class over and yes. He's one more white working class vote and that's great but like I don't know a yup I let's put it out of a hundred young people and by young people. I mean people under the age of thirty five by out of one hundred young people and I'm talking about like across the country my I guess is you couldn't find thirty five of them will say they will vote for Donald Trump and the next election and that I live in cramped really so I don't I don't know yet. I don't know yet because I and and there's no way I'm ever really going to know the truth because who knows what would have been if hillary had been president right like I didn't want her to be president and I think she'd been a crap president but that alternative timeline doesn't exist so no. That's why that's why when you talk about regret. I mean I look back. When you look back on your life the things I regretted things that I did that. I knew were wrong at the time ah but there are things that you regret where you made excuses to yourself at the time to make yourself do them because we all do that right right and then and then later you're like but I kind of knew that's what I'm right. I and I feel like there is going to be some of that with regard to behavior during this era where people look back in there like yeah. It's true like I was trying to stop these people from being the worst people and I was trying trying to stop them from taking control of the country Kinda new at the time that like there was something niggling at me inside yeah it was it was eating away at me and saying like this is not. I'm sure that's GONNA happen. I mean that that's why I what I've been careful to do is just tell people my thought processes when I talk just totally agree. I totally that's why I'm not angry. The problem is out there and don't even try to reveal the process or the struggle. I just want some honesty like all. Tell people and I do it on my show all the time and I hope people appreciate it that if I'm I'm struggling with initial. I'm actually struggling with. I just don't know the right. I just don't know so Shapiro just don't know and on that no thank you guys for tuning in to this episode of backstage. We're going to do it again. I don't know a few weeks. We do this. What once twice a month every damn. It's going to be gone so so we'll do a now wearing my show will still be on air but I won't be present here. Try it so we won't be able to actually do this show but you will be able to do your show right the highly successful and entertaining. Thanks everybody

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Can Democrats keep impeachment spicy?

Post Reports

25:32 min | 9 months ago

Can Democrats keep impeachment spicy?

"From the newsroom of the Washington. Hi It's Stephanie. In Washington this is post reports. I'm Martin powers. It's Wednesday January twenty-second today. Democrats present their opening arguments public. Health officials fight the spread of groner virus and mapping impeachment back to the trump hotel senate will convene court of impeachment MHM chaplain will lead us in prayer so in the most bare basics version. What happened today? The first trial part of the Senate impeachment trial got started and house. Democrats began presenting their case about why the Senate should convict trump and throw him out of office today. You will hear the details of the president's corrupt scheme in narrative form. I'm Amber Phillips. I analyze politics for the fix blog at the Washington Post and the arguments that Democrats that's are making are basically the same arguments that we heard during the house impeachment hearings. That's right. There's not a lot of new information here at all. I listen to Chairman Chairman. Adam Schiff start things off over the coming days you will hear from the House. Managers details of this scheme and the effort to hide it from Congress and Kevin categorized arguments. He said they were going to make in the coming days into three parts. One is that that our founders put impeachment in the constitution for reason that reason is personified by trump's actions in Ukraine the facts of the presence misconduct and cover cover-up lead to the conclusion that the president undertook the sort of corrupt course of conduct that impeachment was intended to remedy. They're going to spend the next couple of days as telling us why they think trump abused his powers president by trying to leverage military aid an Oval Office meeting to get Ukraine to investigate his political opponents and then why they think trump covered it up to a degree that he should be impeached and removed from office for Obstructing Congress and engaged in the the scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of his personal political benefit in doing so. President trump used the powers of the presidency in a manner that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the US democratic process and then the final section. I heard shift making his opening arguments for these opening arguments. Is that senators need to think beyond Washington DC when they consider whether to acquit or convict him he feels very strongly if the Senate let's trump get away with this that it's going to undermine American democracy for years to come. He literally literally said Vladimir Putin life and nothing better the Russians have little democracy left. Thanks Vladimir Putin. It's an talk thug. Accuracy and seems like Democrats are also trying to hammer home. The idea that this is about President Trump's actions ends that this isn't a case where re Guiliani or other people in the president's circle were doing things without the knowledge of the president that in the words of Adam Schiff the president president is the key player in the scheme. That's exactly right. That's a challenge for Democrats because there are two parts to their accusation of abuse of power. One is that he withheld held an Oval Office meeting with the cranium. President in order to get Ukraine's president to investigate Democrats or announced investigation. That's not in dispute it's the Oval Office office trump's someone who holds the meeting. He held that up. Democrats are trying to argue that. President trump also withheld this tax payer money in the form for military aid for Ukraine to get the same leverage. He withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funded military aid and he coveted White House meeting to increase the pressure on Ukraine to comply. They haven't proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. What I mean by that is trump has said ED corroborating Washington Post Reporting and Democrats impeachment? Inquiry that yes. He held up the Ukraine aid. But he's given shifting reasons for that and none of them have been. I held up the Ukrainian specifically to get them to announce an investigation to Joe Biden. Would Adam Schiff and the Democrats need to do over the next couple of days as say. Yeah Yeah but look at this long list of evidence. We uncovered that suggestively apply commonsense. Trump did that for that reason so that he's up some the arguments that we can expect over the coming days but there's also still this lingering question of witnesses will there be new witnesses who are allowed to testify during the trial and it seems like some of that ringling was going on today. What were today's discussions around that? And is there a sign that there any more moderate Republicans since who are being persuaded one way or the other about whether or not. That's something that they wanna see. We've heard according to our reporting from our congressional colleagues at a couple Senate Democrats are talking about this idea of a trade witnesses. Why don't we let Republicans call witnesses? We think are not integral to the trial and let them kind of fall flat on their face. The Republican case people like Joe Biden or son Hunter Biden who did work in Ukraine in exchange will get to call our witnesses that we think could really help our case. It's like former National Security Council adviser John Bolton thanks seems like a risky move. Exactly very risky. What happens if Joe Biden Hunter Biden? Season thing it doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign and and you know he's leading in some of the polls and he tumbles what happens if John Bolton doesn't provide the smoking gun that Democrats hope they will which I think is a real possibility that John Bolton doesn't have a ton of light to shed on this information so in the face of that of that risk. We heard today on Wednesday we heard Senate Democratic leaders and House Democratic leaders and Joe Biden himself all chime in and say no. There's no trade Chuck Schumer. Ah The Senate. Democratic leader actually told reporters. It's off the table. Would you be open to say of a witness trade for hundred now. I think that's off the table. First of all the Republicans have the right to bring in any witness. They want they haven't wanted to and that trade is is not on the table and then Joe Biden according into our Washington Post colleague Matt visor. WHO's with him in Iowa? Said I want no part in that so it seems like this was something bubbling and some of the Senate Democratic ranks enough to get the attention never reporters at the Washington Post reported on it. And it's been shut down one last thing I want to ask about today. is about the general vibe in feeling feeling of what it was like in the room during these proceedings because we had elite on Tuesday night and Justice John Roberts basically calling out the house impeachment manager injuries and also the lawyers for the president saying that. They're decorum was unacceptable. I think it is appropriate at this point for me to admonish Both the house managers and the President's Council in equal terms to remember that they are addressing the world's greatest deliberative wooded Wadi and. I'm wondering what things have been like today. If there is this feeling of of unrestrained contentiousness and how people are talking about the president and what he might have done. I've seen on the Senate floor when House. Democrats talk a much more subdued tone after that blow up. You talked about we into the hours Tuesday night to Wednesday morning so for example on Tuesday as house. Managers were arguing that senator should open the trial up to witnesses early on Adam. Schiff used swear words that I wouldn't use on your shell. We heard none of that on Wednesdays very formal almost gave like an Speech with no swear. Words incite off the Senate floor. I think you're right to zone in on contention our our congressional colleagues on on Capitol Hill where Republican and Democratic senators as they came in and out of the trial and both sides said listen. I don't appreciate h the house. Managers in particularly pointing the finger at US and in judging us Republicans are a little bit more strong criticism. But I did feel like back house. Democrats are trying to walk a little bit more than eggshells now because they realize antagonizing. The jury isn't helpful to their case. I also think that there there is a lingering question here of boredom rate we. We've seen today that some senators even though they're all supposed to be seated during all of the the proceedings that we saw some were in the cloakroom. All things were happening that I think we've seen a couple of people nodding off at this early stage in the impeachment trial and it kind of feels like the battle here for Democrats to make their case isn't just a battle against the arguments of Republicans. It's a battle against this the idea that we've seen all of this before we've heard all these arguments before we had this whole thing. Play out in the house and like why should anyone really pay attention to this now and it seems like that is going to be a struggle. Exactly how do house managers break down in intricate detail. Every piece of evidence that they have gathered word against the president and yet package it in a concise way. That senators can grab onto but not just senators because they're also talking to the the American public. I don't know anybody besides us who get paid to do this. WHO's get to sit there and watch the entire Senate trial and hang on every word and say okay okay? That was a good point. Oh that was inaccurate especially when half of it is going to take place like after work hours in the evening when people are presumably paying attention to other things exactly mm-hmm Challenge for Democrats and then after three days of that. Senators have to sit through the Republican side of the defense and they only get one daybreak on Sunday. And this is where Mitch McConnell strategy to hold a vote on whether to continue to trial and have witnesses says comes in. He's betting these senators are going to be bored out of their minds. They're going to be so tired from sitting without their phones. Not Campaigning not fundraising not legislating. There's no way they're going to continue DASS for witnesses even if some of them on the Republican side think they should Ambrose Philips writes about politics. Explore the facts A mystery corona virus has broken out in China China and the virus is spreading. There have been confirmed cases of this train corona virus and Hong Kong South Korea Japan Taiwan and the United States that was traced back to this animal market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. And it was there. Yeah that they've been all sorts of exotic animals like hedgehogs and snakes and Mahmut that had been sold they're very unsanitary. Apparently and this virus started spreading and infected people. Anna Fifield. Is The Beijing bureau chief for the Post first and she says that this outbreak couldn't have come at a worse time on Saturday. It is the start of the new Lunar New Year. That will be the year of the wraps. This is the biggest holiday on the Chinese calendar. Wear a many many Chinese people who work in the big cities on the coast host travel harm to their hometowns to spend this holiday with their families and the number surrounding this are absolutely astronomical so so the transport ministry estimates that four hundred million people will be on the move over this travel period and friends here Who have been on these journeys? Tell me you know that the trains are extremely crowded. Often people will sit on the floor. uh crouch and the whole ways so people are really packed and to these hot trains for long periods of time. And that's the kind of situation where that is ripe for breeding these kind and spreading these kinds of viruses. I've heard stories about people. You know canceling their trips home. for the first time in thirty five years though they won't be spending the Lunar New Year holiday with their family. So people are very worried about this and and Taking kind of extreme measures to make sure that they did not get infected. The Chinese government was very very sharply criticized with the SARS outbreak in two thousand and two and two thousand and three for playing down the risk from their virus. The government has learned a lot since then they are trying hard to be quite transparent about it but still there's a lot of mistrust in the government's ability to be honest on this so while there are clear improvements there is still a lot of skepticism. About how reliable how true the information. How all timely? The information is that's coming out to the public. We think that the main route for getting infected is somehow exposure to the animals that were in this market. We don't know if those animals camels are also being sold in other markets and they believe that was the source and that market was closed January. One Lena Sun covers ores infectious diseases for the post since then though there have been cases of people who have gotten sick who say they never went to that market and never had any contact with with people who were sick so it raises the question then more about how this disease is spreading the human to human transmission to get it from a healthcare healthcare worker. Did you get it from another sick person. The people who have gotten sick have talked about having fever and dry cough and flu like symptoms and the initial deaths. Were all in people over sixty who also had underlying medical conditions so. It's a little bit hard to tease out. Just how serious areas this diseases compared to SARS which was very severe had a much higher but we call case fatality rate and for people who get it is there any kind have treatment just like there for SARS or murders. There is no vaccine or treatment except supportive care. So what exactly is the corona virus. And what do we know about it. So there is a new virus that has emerged from China in the last month and it is from a family of of viruses known as corona viruses so called because they have these little crowning spikes on the virus. That's why it's called Corona virus. It's a family of viruses that is in animals and humans and rarely the virus can jump from an animal species to a human as what happened with SARS and Moore's SARS is severe acute respiratory syndrome It broke out in two thousand and two two thousand three started in China spread to more than in two dozen countries sickened more than eight thousand people and more than seven hundred people died. It was very serious well so far. How many people have actually gotten sick? Sacred have died from this I think the latest numbers that were posted by an official Chinese organization as of Ten PM China time which is tame. Our time was five hundred. Forty four infections In China alone and seventeen deaths and just about a week ago. It was was forty-five cases. End like two deaths so people WANNA know. Why are the numbers going up so far it could be that? They're doing better better surveillance now that they know what they're looking for And they're doing a better job of finding it and everybody's on alert. It's also possible. You have a country of one point and for a billion people and millions of them are now on the move for Chinese New Year Pact in trains planes cars you name it close quarters it's a respiratory virus so it Droplets when you sneeze and cloth could be maybe more sustained human to human transmission. And so what do we know about how it actually got to the US west so the CDC had a briefing this week and we asked them about how this person how this traveler came to the US how it got got picked up and how it was detected. He came in before that screening was done was actually not with symptoms. When he came in the United States it turns out he was a pretty astute gentleman? He was checking the Internet. He had gone back to hun the city where this outbreak break. We believe originated and was aware of the news after he landed. He started to feel not good and on Sunday he reached out to his provider and then things went into place and they notified the state and federal officials and within a day. CDC CDC had collected his specimens and tested them and confirm that he did indeed have the new corona virus so Hauer Hauer officials here here trying to prevent something like that from happening again. I think airport screening is something they have put in place now and the hope is it's one level of protection. It's not going to be the end all be all so As of starting by Friday of this week there will be airport screening in place in San Francisco Los Loss Angeles New York's JFK Atlanta Hartsfield and Chicago O'hare and. Hopefully they want to have something in place maybe by in the coming days after that so that any passenger who is flying from Wuhan to the United States that they will get rerouted to the first point of entry being one of these five airports where they will get screened. So it might work like this. You're you WANNA go from Hun to Boston. So maybe your flight takes you Wuhan to Han Shanghai Boston under this funneling or redirecting flights you would go one Shanghai JFK. And then Boston esten and CDC has said this would be a complex thing they would have to. You know tickets would have to be reissued and you would have global redirection. So that's a plan that is starting to be put in place right now and is there anything else that they're trying to do to to stop this from spreading quickly well the CDC has already issued a health advisory alerts to clinicians all across the country. Healthcare folks at hospitals and doctors offices have all been told to make sure you When you have a patient who presents with these symptoms to ask about travel history? The tricky thing is. We are now in the middle of flu season right fever cough. These are all very similar. symptoms of winter respiratory diseases. So the the key thing is to get the travel history of the patient and they've also issued. They've bumped up their travel alert. So if you are traveling to China and going to hunt they ask that you avoid this market that is believed to be the origin of the outbreak. Perhaps don't eat any live. Animals do not be in contact with people who are sick with this new Mona like illness. Basic common sense things there's three levels of travel alerts that the CDC puts out this is the second one the third is the highest one is like. Don't go and we're not there yet. We're not there yet. So is there a sense of how serious this could be. I think right now Infectious disease experts and public. Health officials are taking this more seriously. Initially when the reports were coming out of China the cases seem to be more mild There weren't that many deaths but we didn't have every much information on. who was getting sick? Did they have underlying medical conditions. How long does the disease? What's the incubation period? And we don't really know yet whether you're only contagious when you have symptoms or you're also contagious before like in measles you're contagious before for you have symptoms and afterwards now with the rising number of deaths and sicknesses and in particular killer because there's no evidence of sustained human to human transmission and because there's evidence that healthcare workers are also sick that the level of concern is definitely going up. Lena Sun covers infectious diseases for the Post Anfield Fifield is the Beijing bureau. Chief for the Post. The Chinese government has announced that they will be suspending. Travel leaving the city of Ruhan beginning on Thursday And now when Moore thing from reporter David Farren sold on the trump international hotel in Washington. DC We started mapping out all the places cases where the impeachment drama unfolded. Like if you were going to give a bus tour of Washington all the places where Donald Trump on the way. It is impeachment impeachment. Where would you go? So there's the bar in DC where Rudy Giuliani trump's lawyers actually stays at the bar so long that he puts out a placard on his table saying Rudolph W Giuliani private office. There's the lobby were Giuliani. And his henchmen left partisan eager fruman new with other people talked to folks about trump's legal defense. There's the bar next to the lobby. Where again Robert? Hi this kind of congressional candidate from Connecticut. No one ever heard of before somehow gets embroiled with the president's legal defense team offers to put the US ambassador to Ukraine under surveillance. Okay is I've just walked into the trump international hotel in Washington. DC All those places. You wouldn't need a bus to get to them you just need to walk. Because they're all in the trump hotel most of them are in the lobby of the trump hotel so we sent our producer Jordan Marie Smith to the trump hotel in Washington. DC there are four giantic chandeliers that are sparkling in the atrium. It's bigger than your average Kotel soaring space and it's got in. A steakhouse steakhouse bar another bar. And then kind of like a bunch of tables set out in the middle. And there's an even grander patriotic American flag in the lobby. It's more like Vegas hotel than a than a typical Washington hotel and that every space sort of used for entertaining and partying. So there's a lot going on. It's this place where people who have power like Rudy Giuliani. The president's personal personal lawyer are just available out in the open any yahoo who wants to buy drink anybody who wants to buy a drink in Seidel up to them. It can happen there in the trump hotel and by creating and then environment sort of forcing the Republican Party's powerbrokers into this. Little space with anybody can buy a drink. At trump helped create the situation where these people got linked up and follow the chain of bad ideas to get impeached David. Baron reports on President Trump's family businesses for the post that's proposed reports thanks for listening for more impeachment updates from the Washington Post. Check out our impeachment. podcast feed. It's updated daily with stories from post reports along with some of our other news podcasts. It's today for example you can hear a great story from the daily to choose big idea. Host James Home recapped. The surprising moment at one am on Wednesday Wednesday when Chief Justice John Roberts Scolded Democrats and Republicans for their behavior on the floor of the. That's the kind of breaking news. Update you can find impeachment. Feed subscribe on your podcast APP or in Washington Post Dot com slash podcasts Martine powers. We'll be back tomorrow with more stories from the Washington Post

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Tuesday, December 17, 2019

"From Washington DC. This is Westwood. One daily Daily News for December Seventeenth Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trout. The house this week gets ready for a history making vote on impeachment and then the focus turns to the the Senate correspondent Linda. Kenyon has the story Senate Democrats believe strongly that the trial must be fair and it's very important that the American people the judge to be fair Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer at a news conference on Capitol Hill Monday saying that's why he wants to sit down and discuss the plan for the impeachment trial in the Senate Annette which is all but certain wants the house votes this week on impeachment leader. McConnell has finally said that he wants to sit down and talk and I am. I am very eager and willing to do that as I said. We WanNA come up with a fair trial with the facts. Come out that's why. He says he wants to call four witnesses acting White House chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Mulvaney senior adviser Robert Blair Office of Management and budget official Michael Duffy and former national security adviser. John Bolton we don't know what kind of evidence they will present was that they might present exculpatory evidence that helps president trump it may be incriminating against the president but they should be heard. Many Republicans are saying the time to call fact. Witnesses was during the impeachment hearings in the House. It is not they say the job of the Senate to go after additional witnesses who have not testified prior to the Senate trial nonsense says Senator Schumer have witnesses. That's what trials are all about. Humor also says Republicans argued more about process process than the actual charges against the president which are abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Republican Representative Mike Johnson begs to differ them presented any direct evidence evidence to show that the president was involved in any crime and Johnson says the impeachment charges against trump are nothing like the charges against previous presidents who faced impeachment and each one of those. There were specific criminal acts that there was a mountains of evidence to prove had been committed. We don't have that here. Some Republicans say if Democrats want to call witnesses. They might call call some of their own like the whistle blower for example but on CBS. Face the nation this weekend Republican Senator Lindsey Graham loyal trump allies said personally. He's not interested. I am clearly made up my mind. I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have disdain for the accusations in the process so I don't need any witnesses. The president can make a request to call witnesses they can make a request call. Mike Pants POMPEII. Oh and Joe Biden Hunter Biden. I am ready to vote on the underlying articles. I don't really need to hear a lot of witnesses. After the house. Votes on impeachment on Wednesday the scene will shift to the Senate which is planning to begin the impeachment trial in early January. Sorry Linda Kenyon Washington former New York. Mayor Rudy Giuliani has been making the rounds again in Ukraine and Bob Costantini reports. The president seems to still view Giuliani as his personal lawyer. President trump would only say rudy. Giuliani didn't tell him much about the personal attorneys. Recent trip to Ukraine Giuliani. Liane is a firm believer in the theory that Ukraine actually hacked democratic campaigns in two thousand sixteen in order to help Hillary Clinton and he's been lobbying Ukrainian officials to launch investigations into Hunter Biden. It's assumed the former New York City mayor met with the president on Friday at the White House though press aides would not confirm it. He's a great person in who loves our country and he does this out of love but he does it out of love. He sees what goes on and he sees what's happening. He sees all of the hoax. That happens when they talk about impeachment impeachment hawks who are the Russian collusion delusion even some Republicans on Capitol Hill questioned. Why Giuliani would go to Ukraine in the middle of the impeachment? Controversy centered on what. The president meant went asking Ukraine's leader for a favor in the phone. Call Mr Trump told Vladimir's alinsky rudy. Very much knows what's happening and he would have Giuliani phone him. That was in July after Giuliani's first visit to associates. who were helping the lawyer gain entree to Ukrainian officials have been indicted for campaign finance fraud? He was quoted in New Yorker magazine article and saying former. US Ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich needed to be pushed quote out of the way because because she was an impediment to the investigations. Giuliani was trying to get started regarding. Democrats Bob Costantini. Washington considered a victory for people who choose to live on the streets. Jim Roope reports the. US Supreme Court ops not to review an appellate court ruling reverberating across several Western states dates. It all began about a decade ago when a lawsuit was filed against Boise. Idaho's ordinance that allowed police to ticket people sleeping on the streets even if there were beds available at shelters shelters people don't want to be in the shelters and that's a really simple version of the argument against the Ordinance Attorneys for six homeless people who filed the lawsuit back in two thousand nine charged the ordinance cruel and unusual punishment because for example. The behavior of some people with mental illness who are homeless are not welcomed in the shelters because at the very least they are disruptive at the very most could cause harm to someone else or themselves Lawrence Banks Drum. A homeless man in Boise tells the cities K. O. B. I.. TV that the shelters are not a good fit for others. They're noisy people are constantly snoring. Coughing somebody gets sick. They start passing it around. Another argument made in the lawsuit is that some shelters have religious requirements in that shelters require guests to attend services that might be contrary to their individual beliefs. This is an argument. Bill Roscoe with the Boise rescue mission flatly denies at least and they're not our policy. We won't do that so I'm frustrated that in that decision once again. It's claimed that our shelters require people to attend religious services in order to be served. It's just not true and it's very frustrating that after all this time that's still being said after through the night circuit's ruling that agreed with plaintiffs at the practice of ticketing. The homeless as cruel and unusual it was appealed to the US Supreme Court which decided Monday it will not review leaving the Ninth Circuit Court's ruling intact which affects all states within the Ninth Circuit Jurisdiction. Nine Western states and to Pacific island jurisdictions. Jim Roope Los Angeles in sports drew brees became the NFL's all time leader in touchdown passes throwing for four scores to lead the New Orleans. Saints to thirty four four seven victory over the Indianapolis colts straight from the Saints Mouth Monday night. Football playing the colts. Right the team that you know we. We won the Super Bowl against ten years ago. So the the whole all super bowl forty four team is back for the anniversary and and obviously national television. You know big game and now you know that record in the balance as well. There's Mr Breeze the scoring broke peyton. Manning's record of five hundred thirty nine career touchdown passes Westwood One Daily News Tuesday December Seventeenth Twenty nineteen. I'm I'm John Trout.

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Intelligence committee's impeachment report released; Democrats to announce witnesses in next public hearing; House Judiciary committee holding mock hearing tomorrow ahead of first public impeachment hearing; GOP ignores witness testimony, issues report s

Erin Burnett OutFront

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Intelligence committee's impeachment report released; Democrats to announce witnesses in next public hearing; House Judiciary committee holding mock hearing tomorrow ahead of first public impeachment hearing; GOP ignores witness testimony, issues report s

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Fox What do you say to allies watching. And they're not happy with what you're saying. What do you say to those L. Link? I'm happy with what the not happy what we're spending a fortune. So will the president is strike a more conciliatory tone as he faces. Tensions within NATO an impeachment here at home world leaders will be listening closely and so will week. Thanks very much for watching Erin. Burnett out front starts right now next breaking news a major new report out this hour laying out potential articles of impeachment as Democrats announced their next public witnesses plus the minority report. Republicans countering with a lengthy rebuttal auto claiming president. Trump didn't do anything wrong. The problem is the key points. Don't add up and the former. FBI ATTORNEYS AT TRUMP LOVES TO ATTACK SAYS SHE's had had it she's fighting back and breaking her silence reporter who interviewed Lisa Page is my guest. Let's go out front good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight the breaking news. The impeachment report is out released just moments ago by the House Intelligence Committee to members of the committee. Now look this. Report is crucial. It details the evidence evidence. The Democrats have collected over the past eight weeks lays the groundwork for the specific articles of impeachment and frankly sets the clock ticking on that formal vote impeach Donald Trump in less than forty eight hours. The Judiciary Committee is going to hold. Its first public impeachment hearing and they of course then they're going to be writing those articles of impeachment. We now know who will be testifying at this public. Hearing for impeachment expert President Trump taking to twitter today to protest and his tweet. The the do nothing. Democrats get three constitutional lawyers for their impeachment hoax they will need them. The Republicans get one. Oh that sounds fair. But it's important to note that that tweet is doesn't add up. I mean. The White House declined to participate. In Wednesday's hearing in fact trump could have had Another person there. Someone under growth in that hearing representing him has chosen not to do that. A lot to get to tonight Maharajas out front live on Capitol Hill Monitor. What more are you learning learning about? What's in the Democrats report right? This crucial report that has now been handed to the full committee to read before it goes to the Judiciary Committee. Yeah members of just been given the opportunity to review this report starting in the last hours so they have about twenty four hours to do just that it's expected to detail the findings of this investigation that has lasted more than two months. Detailing what the President what the Democrats believe. Our abuse of power by the president is dealings with Ukraine and laying out the witness testimony that we saw in two weeks public hearings until we've seen the transcripts of these interviewed as witnesses who were deposed behind closed doors and they'll probably be in line with what Adam Schiff the House intelligence committee chairman just said in response to the Republican report. Put out earlier today. He said that the the report that the findings these are the investigation or were accurately suggested the presence actions were quote outside the law and constitution and a violation of his oath of office. So essentially Aaron. This this report will detail everything they've found. It will form the basis of articles of impeachment that would ultimately be considered by the House House Judiciary Committee those proceedings in the district committee are expected to begin on Wednesday when there's a public hearing and that panel before more proceedings take place including a likely likely vote on articles of impeachment by the end of next week seems likely according to Democratic sources before it moves to the full House likely before Christmas Smith's then after that assuming that house does vote to make president trump's third American president to be impeached by the House. Then they will move to the Senate for the trial phase and that could it takes some time as Republicans see more very likely to quit the president on any charges not remove him from office but this week this report significant because it will lay out everything. Even that has been found in. This investigation will make the case and the Democrats trump's why the president deserves to be removed from office. We expected to be very detailed laying out why they I believe. The president should not have handled Ukraine. The way he did and leveraging his power against a country that needed. US support desperate. ALL RIGHT MANU anew. Thank you very much and I want to go now to Democratic Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton Member of the House Oversight Committee congresswoman. I appreciate your time. So what are you looking for in this report award which which you may see an hour's wants the committee approves it well. I think we've had a good understanding of what should be in the report because we've had two weeks wchs of open hearings and we can conclude. I think that the report will act on what those hearings showed us and remember what we're dealing with here. This is the prosecutorial side The impeachment inquiry and I was on that Committee Committee that dealt with that inquiry. Republicans got to be in. There is just as much as I was and now we're into prosecuting. That's what you are seeing as I speak so you know. Obviously Republicans have released their own report. which they they call a rebuttal but they're issuing it? I mean I suppose a rebuttal to what you say you will be right the the heroes we don't want to call it a pre buttle because we had an issue right right right so they have one hundred twenty three pages and they have several things in there that that do not a add up when you check them against the facts but they do right this congresswoman there is also nothing wrong with asking serious questions about the presence of Vice President Biden Son Hunter Biden on the board of directors of Barista a corrupt Ukrainian company or about Ukraine's attempts to influence the two thousand sixteen presidential election Obviously the president's own former homeland security adviser said that we're no such attempts to influence the presidential election. But what's your response to the point about Hunter Biden. They've they have yet to produce any evidence that Hunter Biden has been involved at all in anything that has happened here. This is a man who went as a private citizen of onto a board of a company in Ukraine. What does that have to do with whether we should impeach the president they just trying to find in witnesses to embarrass Donald Trump Sorry to him. Batman Vice President former Vice President Biden because They a see him as the front runner for the nomination on the democratic side. President trump claims that this is a unifying the Republican Party. You know his tweet today. The Republican Party is never been more unified. This impeachment scam is just a continuation of the three year witch hunt but it is only bringing us even closer together and look. He has a point. It here doesn't he. I mean despite the fact here despite witness after witness including the president's own million dollar donor saying there was a quid pro quo at the behest of the President of the United States himself. Not One cell vote to impeach actually to Democrats who didn't vote with us Having previously voted with us the both sides are pretty much doug and but nobody more than the Republicans unlike the Nixon impeachment where Republicans Were thought for themselves and and you had much more of a bipartisan. Approach to impeachment here. You see impeachment simply mirrors with the House and Senate Sar- what the House looks like today. A completely polarized house. More polarized is than at any time Since the war. That's a pretty I mean look. It's an incredible thing to say to to to to say at stark as you did since the civil war because I think it it it feels that way it it feels that way to people You know whatever the facts are people just they go with with their political point of view is now president. Trump does have a line of response. Obviously he's saying. Oh this is unfair even though as you know congresswoman he could have had his own person in this hearing that the judiciary committee is set to hold. He chose not to. That's his choice but he did say this before. He left for London this morning where he is at a NATO meeting here he is Democrats the radical the left democratic. The do nothing Democrats decided what. I'm going to native to set up a year ago. What I'm going to NATO? That was the exact time. Is the report president. Putting aside the great irony of him saying that going to NATO is one of the most important journey of a president when he has questioned the need for NATO to exist Does he have a point here. This has been scheduled. Forever and Democrats are holding N.. P. Have the poetry. Isn't that the point that no the Democrats didn't say when when would he be out of town. These things happen to coalesce. We're trying to get this done by the end of December remember. We don't want to run on impeachment. We WanNa vote on all those bills. We passed And have not gotten any credit for because impeachment has been standing the way what God is into the House. What got US hint? The is of course was medic was what we did on medical care for for All Americans and now we want to go back to that and we can't go back to that if we're going to spend the whole next year doing exactly what we've done this year. blotting out all of our tremendous accomplishments for impeachment. Let's get this over with by the end of December. Then let the Senate have their way the way they're controlled by Republicans we're controlled by Democrats. saw suppose everybody will be satisfied in the long run all right. Thank you very much congressman. I appreciate your time my pleasure and next breaking news. One of Rudy Giuliani's associates now plans to cooperate with the House Intelligence Committee. How worry is the President President and his lawyer? Plus Republicans are counterpunching releasing a report of their own before the report. Rebutting is even out but they are ignoring some very obvious facts and breaking her silence about trump's attacks on her stroke or his lover. Lisa page two great lovers. The writer who sat down with Lisa page is out front. I used to get cashback in store and online. I just go to shop online. Man I get cashback. I love using acton during the holidays because I can get the sale and I can get cash back and it's so easy and the best way to start off the new year sign up today and racket up but back in do I regret ditching peanuts for heart healthy pistachios not at all. Do I regret getting a mouse tattoo. Last night yes I do. That was a bad decision on my part. I truly regretted. Forget about vacuuming for months. The room is seven than plus with clean base automatic dirt disposal. allergen lock bags. That trump ninety nine percent of allergens. 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CNN Men Democrats believe they have momentum coming off the House intelligence public hearings now Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of course if now wasted no time. They're going to hold a mock hearing tomorrow morning ahead of their public hearing on Wednesday where they put in front of all of us. This is the House majority leader. Steny Hoyer is officially announced. Tonight the House will not go on vacation for Christmas. Christmas is planned the week of December sixteenth. They're not going to stay in session. So that final votes We'll take place on December twentieth. Which of course paves the way for the forty fifth? The president of the United States president trump to be impeached before Christmas. Now David Gregory. CNN political analyst. Dan Bashing and chief political correspondent and Ryan Goodman former special counsel at the Defense Department David Look We. We've had the week of a few days. People have been gone for Thanksgiving that how the house was not in session. Obviously people were working away but they weren't in session. They weren't getting all the publicity from that. Do they have the momentum right now. I don't know if they have political momentum I really don't I think think that you see how United Republicans have remained defiant. The president has remained You Know I. It doesn't seem like like much. Public opinion is moving. I think this is a topic around. Thanksgiving dinner tables people tried to sort through not so much. What the facts acs were because we knew the story going in? But what do you do with it. I do think there's a debate about okay. Well is this impeachable is out the right is at the right step forward forward so I think what Democrats are thinking about right now is is there momentum to be gained by synthesizing all of this bring it all home to people so they understand it they they understand that it's a clear case. They'll be another case defense. That's made but can you make the pay the case that all of this adds up to something high crimes around misdemeanors. It should force the removal of the President before a presidential election next year. That gives voters that chance and I've always thought that's the biggest obstacle for for Democrats shouldn't Republicans say. Look if this is so bad let the voters decide right right especially when you are so close. I mean Dan you have when you talk about the momentum mental moment there's just the raw speed of it Democratic Congressman Steny. Hoyer right is officially announced. The House isn't going on recess right through Friday December twentieth. When they're going to have their final votes in one would presume zoom impeachment? Vote would be on that day. If they aren't able to get it before I mean they are really trying to race towards a vote here. They are They have a time line. There is no room for error. Because you have this one hearing this week one or two next week and then and then of course we know that they're beginning their keeping keeping a close hold on this. They're beginning to to craft articles of impeachment. But then you're going to have the votes in the committee and then votes on House floor and if past is prologue each each article gets its own debate gets its own votes So sending hoyer saying officially what we already knew which is that. They're going to have to stay to meet that deadline headline one good point i. I totally agree with David. Momentum is in the eye of the beholder Democrats may think they have momentum because they feel that they have a clear case case. Republicans feel the same way which is what you saw? And we'll talk about it a little bit but you saw what they laid out in their pre rebuttal but it speaks to what they're hearing at home with their seeing it polls and the boys people like John Kennedy. He's a senator of course are getting from a president When he even you know goes back he flips and flops and goes back to you know maybe an iteration an of a position that he had publicly couple of of weeks ago on the conspiracy theory that Ukraine was involved in In meddling in twenty any sixteen elections at all speaks to the the comfort level that Republicans have in I voters and constituents situation with the with the fact that they don't think the president should be impeached and it potentially helps them politically. And they're being aggressive Ryan. I mean. Obviously we're hours away from those public hearings and the Judiciary Committee got law professors coming in okay But the top Republican in the House Judiciary Committee Doug Collins is saying oh I want to see the intelligent chairman. Adam Schiff testify. Here's what he said. First and foremost the first person needs to testify as Adam Schiff. Adam Schiff is author their support. He's put himself into that position if he chooses not to. Then yeah I really questioned his veracity. What he's putting in his report they want to force them to talk about the whistleblower? Which of course is point? Because what the whistle blower putting the report has been now proven even by Sources who were not tertiary. So it's a moot point but but they're trying to throw this in the water right. It's putting into the water. Is there any chance this happens in. What does it mean to timelines battles like this going on so I do think it just kinda throws mud in? The air makes a lot of noise. But it didn't think anything like this is going to materialize. There's no reason for Adam Schiff if to be a witness Because the only implication as you mentioned this idea that he might have had contact with the whistleblower which he has said he hasn't and the whistle blowers lawyer has said Rispler has never met him chef. And it's irrelevant at this point. We have overwhelming corroboration of the whistle blowers complaint. So once again. What's the whole point of that and if anything do we really want to go down that path if Adam Adam Schiff with their maybe devin nunes should be there too since he's been implicated in some of the circus right? Then you're in the world of Hunter Biden. I mean but but look David the lawyer for one of Rudy Giuliani's associates associates today. Life Partners says he wants to work with the House Intelligence Committee right. He now wants to talk. That's what we're hearing right Federal prosecutors now twenty nine electric devices Isis connected to the defendants in that case. Thousands of documents The these are people who are accused of serious crimes. That were You know in bed with Giuliani Juliani. When it came to business in Ukraine how worried is Juliana is the president about someone like left Parnasse at this point? Well I think it gets a separate concern. I mean I think if you're the president the most incriminating information has already come out and he released the partial transcript and had said. Yeah I did it. I mean again we have to remember we're in these unique Fact Patterns of President Trump where. He admits what he did right away. It's not a WHO done it. It's who cares. That's his argument. That's his defense events and and so for do you know. I think the president might throw Giuliani under the bus. If it gets to that and I think that's where the varnish could be difficult but it says something about about. The Intelligence Committee is still open for business. Even though they're drafting this report what this is really about though and having these judiciary committee hearings where they're bringing in experts on impeachment is it is a show for the public. I don't think the finders of fact in the Congress in the House of the Senate are going to be moved by any of this the question is will the public moved by any of it and you know you do have the president on the other side. We should remember our recent history of impeachment. Bill Clinton used to say during during impeachment in the nineties. He went after Republicans and his attack was. They can't beat me with their ideas so they go to this stuff they go to my personal life they go what other mistakes And it worked and it worked and and trump and a very united core of Republicans are doing doing the same here. It's it's a huge obstacle but again the opportunity is to clarify to synthesize it to really make a compelling case which no one is defending offending the facts on the president side again. If you know everyone everyone who's GonNa vote here knows what they're gonNa do and is paid attention to the hearings if the report. They're putting out us for the American public. Then they shouldn't do what the Republicans did which is do one hundred and twenty three pages. They gotta find a way to make this a lot more clear. I hear your point. It was clear the transcript but they have to find a way to thread that needle But but next. We're all GonNa stay with me because I want to talk about that. Republican report one hundred twenty three pages Republicans rallying behind their president And and and putting in a whole bunch of stuff that just just is completely counterfactual. We're going to go through the key points and she's had enough a former. FBI Attorney trashed by President. Trump is fighting back because of this Lisa. Pay who was forced to leave the FBI as her lover. Peter Struck reporter spoke with Lisa page. which is out front tonight? It is Nice Nice. This is the most awarded minivan three years in a row. The van Just Talk Doc. Sales Guy give him the employee price. Then give me your foot hands free sliding doors stow-n-go seats. 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But here are some of the crucial things distill it down at one point they write. President trump is a deep seeded genuine and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption. Well I mean maybe some people would share that concern. But that doesn't that's not true for the president Here's what what the truth is Bashur Song that agreed that the president did not give an expletive about Ukraine. I asked why not about John. Lewis stated the president cares about big stuff. I noted there was big stuff going on in Ukraine like a war with Russia ambassador. Sunland replied that he meant in big stuff that benefits the president like the Biden investigation. The Mr Giuliani was pushing. There's that genuine deep-seated scepticism of corruption. Okay what about this claim. They they also saying they report the summary of the Twenty July twenty fifth two thousand nineteen telephone conversation shows no quid pro quo or indication of conditionality threats threats or pressure. Of course the memo of the phone call quote the President United States says I would like you to do us a favor though because parts our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it continues to talk about the Biden's in the context of military aid so You know that's summary of the call and that doesn't add up to the Republican analysis and then they continue to say this quote. The evidence does not establish that president trump with held a meeting with presidents Alinsky for the purpose of pressuring assuring Ukraine to investigate Barista Joe Biden Hunter Biden or Ukrainian influence on the election. Of course under oath testimony shows the complete opposite to be the case was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House House meeting. The answer is yes okay Everyone is back with me. So Ryan Look Point by point That we just we were just able to kind of estimate those points. Those are just three that we grabbed out They don't they don't comport with the facts. How effective is this report though? So I think it's not effective. I think they were played their hand. Whatever hand they had and it does have Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan's name right at the top and I think that's for a reason so it's an across the board on every single fact it's for the president that everything was correct and appropriate for the president and a defies what we just learned for the last two weeks and the public hearings? It defies the fact that three or four trump appointed senior officials reported the phone call itself a criminal referral to the Justice Department. It defies the fact that the GOP witness Kurt Volker said that. In retrospect he understood that it was about Biden and the twenty twenty election and he would have objective if he understood it at the time because it was unacceptable. Yeah so I think they lose a lot because of many Americans Republicans as well say that they think the president acted inappropriately but it's not impeachable but but at least that it was inappropriate. They get that they just and it goes against the facts. I mean look the Republicans are saying trump was I mean. I'm sorry this line is just I mean it's it's it's ridiculous. He's a deep-seated genuine and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption. The history part is true. The president's concern is not not. Here's the statement from the president himself. Okay Dan I just remind people. We don't even need to go to David home saying the president. He overheard the president. You know saying Gordon. Silence of the president is given you know what about Ukraine. We have the president himself saying what he wanted from Ukraine and it wasn't about corruption. It was about this. Yeah well I would think that if they were honest about it that sort of major investigation Gatien very simple answer. They should investigate the by. The president said it himself Thana and yet yet newness Jordan have come out with a report. Saying the facts aren't the facts. Black is white up as down. I mean it's it's it's where we are unfortunately and This is why you know we have such a tribal Situation here in Washington and across the country But they feed on each other. It's tribal in large part because you have reports like this S.. which as you just played so well and showed so well it just does it match with the reality? That's that's in front of our face that that the president himself said so you know they took it this report you know maybe not just two steps to far ten steps too far because they can because they believe that they can get away with it with the people that they care about the Republican base and history shows. The current state of of affair. Affair shows that they're not wrong. I mean I it. This is the thing David shocking about it. I mean let me give you another one okay. again a congressman newness Jordan. The evidence does not support. The president trump orchestrated a shadow foreign policy apparatus for the purpose of pressuring Ukraine to investigate for Isa Joe Biden Hunter Turbine or Ukrainian influence. Okay they say this factually here is trump's million dollar donor has EU Ambassador Board silent under oath in response to our persistent efforts in that meeting to change his views. President trump directed us to quote. Talk with Rudy. Giuliani emphasized that the president wanted a public statement from presidents Alinsky committing Ukraine to look into into the corruption issues. Mr Giuliani specifically mentioned the two thousand sixteen election including the DNC server and Burri SMA SMA as two topics of importance to the president. I mean David. They explicitly say that that didn't happen but he didn't everybody Guiliani doing this. And it had nothing to do with Biden or Ukrainian influence and here it is go talk to Giuliani about but Ukraine and influence and Barista. I think a lot of their the argument comes down to what was the president's intent of versus what other people thought it was or Opinions of others on what the President and actually wanted. I think it's so clear based on the president's own words in the July twenty fifth phone call the sound bite you played from the South Lawn the fact that he's the president of the United States and he's got a newly elected leader who is completely beholden to the United States for existential aid to to fight Russia on its eastern front that you will do what the president suggests you should do. It was to get dirt on Biden. All of that is painfully painfully clear. But we're not operating in a quarter law you know I feel like these reports her meticulously written legal briefs. But then somebody's GONNA stand up in front of the jury and unlike in a courtroom. There's not a judge is going to instruct the jury and charge them with what they have to consider based on the evidence to reach a verdict verdict. Here it's the American people. It's completely in the political domain. Yeah and these little way to kick up dust on this. It was written for the Court of Public Public Opinion. Not The court of law for all the reasons that Erin just played it's it's so easily You know contradicted facts and Ryan to that point you know. David raises is the point. What is the intent of the president? And they're trying to get at and they explicitly do. There is no direct first hand evidence of any such scheme. The Democrats are alleging guilt on the basis of hearsay. A presumptions and speculation rights of presumptions. Right I think capturing David's point of well they are presuming. What the president wanted when he he said something? What's your response to this argument at this point about hearsay given that we did not hear John Paul or Mick Mulvaney or Mike Pompeo or Guiliani say what the president told them directly we have simply heard many other people say with those people told them the president directly so even in a court of law? You could convict somebody of a crime For a lot of hearsay evidence. There's been so much of that evidence that it at. Some point accumulates the proponents of the evidence and here. It's not a criminal proceeding. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt and it's only about whether or not you send it to the Senate for trial trial. It seems to easily cross that threshold and then we do have some direct evidence. We have the phone call itself which is direct evidence released by the White House. We have people who are on the phone. Call like Lieutenant. Colonel Melvin. WHO said that he understood it as demand We have Sunlen himself saying the president instructed me that I must work with. Giuliani and Giuliani will convey his conditions. Nations and Giuliani conveyed his conditions and Mick Mulvaney on national TV saying Gaydos condition the security assistance on the investigation to two thousand sixteen eighteen. So that's a overwhelming amount of evidence. That's why Judge Napolitano on Fox News said that he thinks it's an overwhelming amount of evidence in favor of impeachment. 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Okay so they were talking about things in the investigation and they were also having an affair and so president trump has seized upon that and obsessed about it struck or his lover. Lisa page two great lovers if you look at struck if you look at his lover. Lisa page is wonderful. Lover Lee pay who was forced to leave the FBI as her lover. Peter Struck phony people like McCabe instruc- and his lover you had Lisa page his lover. Alfred now Molly Jong Fast daily beast contributor who just interviewed Lisa Page and look. She said nothing to anybody says she she chose to you and talk about this today. The president's all your story yeah okay. He slams page goes on twitter and the tweet begins. When Lisa Lisa page the lover of Peter Struck more than thirty tweets thirty tweets? The president of the United States has sent about Lisa page using that word. But she tells you it. Was this moment. That made her choose to speak out now. Decide to talk at the moment of what he said. I I love you Peter. I love you to lease at least tell Lisa Lisa. God I love Your Lisa. And if she doesn't win we've got. It Assures Policy Lisa. That was the moment and that was in October when she said enough is enough. Yeah I actually talked to her about two weeks after that and she so part of it was that she couldn't defend herself when she was working at the FBI and so these tax were leaked by the FBI by the DOJ. And she and there's a lot of reporting about it and there's been foyer Oy Oy and there's you can read all of the whole story. Natasha Bertran wrote about it. But what's interesting is then she then she she couldn't talk and and the FBI didn't defend her like they. They made it clear that they weren't gonNA put out a statement and so she was sort of in the wind for like two years and and finally I sort of found her and I I message was her a lot and I wrote her and I said you know. I've written a lot about women's plight under trump and interviewed aging Carol and other women who've had this experience and I really think that I could show the human side of what it's like I to be targeted by the president of the United States. And I want to be clear when you say I mean the DOJ inspector general concluded that the text messages between page and struck. Were inappropriate right. Yeah this is inappropriate operate stuff but and this is really important every American should know about it they also concluded there was no bias in the agents work. Okay so they're texting things personally but professionally. There was no evidence of any bias and page was not afraid her tax political. Here's what she told you. Okay so this is your interview with her at the end of July in two thousand seventeen. I'm informed by the DOJ inspector. General's Office that I'm under investigation for political text messages and honestly I have no idea what they're talking about. I have no recollection. Initially very coy about it. They don't tell me much about it. I have the first clue what they're talking about. What I do know is that my text messages will reveal that I previously had an affair? I'm overwhelmed by dread and embarrassment at the prospect that investigators Andy McCabe and my colleagues now no or could learn about this deeply personal secret and she told you inspectors folder that the therre part part of this would not ever be made public and yet it was. Yeah that's right and and it was. It was a Washington Post reporter. who was told about the affair? We don't know how he got about the story and she begged him not to say anything and it was a really. I mean I think swimming has been through two years of the worst. Hal imaginable and look people make decisions as if people make people make mistakes she had an affair. It's a personal final thing. A personal issue. She writes though about how now when she gets on the Metro. The subway in Washington She winces wondering if people recognize her She sees someone Wearing a trump era maga- hat. She walks the other way to put distance between ask. Because I'm not looking for conflict. I wanted the most in this world. She tells you is my life back and and I think this is an important point that people want to know about that you found out. She's married to her husband. Me has been her biggest supporter. Yeah he's I mean there was she was taking a trip eventually. You can text my husband and I was like wow I mean they were still the other and they have little children and she just wants to have a life and she. I don't think she ever would have done an interview review if he hadn't done that thing in that Minnesota Rally right that that disgusting. Yeah obviously need to describe what he was doing but yes So so look you do. This story. President Responds to Mali and then Fox News criticizes us for the entire interview with Bayside page. Says the first course of WHO's the gets the predication to look into trump by George Papadopoulos which starts the whole Russia Russia investigation which goes back to the beat questions. People have who was talking to George Papadopoulos weirs this professor. That started this whole thing. Where's the ambassador that meets him by chance in a bar? This goes back into into it. And there's no follow up question for the daily Beast reporter you're that reporter and you are not standing down from that place. Yeah I mean to have my journalistic ethics question by the president's propaganda morning show is pretty amazing. I I'll go on man I mean there. You know it's it's a show for an audience of one so I don't think that and the idea that I should ask her about these conspiracy theories that we know from Fiona hell have been completely debunked by that. The Republican Party has continued to use. His talking. points is just really silly. I mean I'm honored that they read read so much of it. I was shocked that they did. And you know when trump tweeted about it. I don't think he read it but Now have my journalistic ethics question by those guys is. It's it's it's a really great article and it's fascinating just to hear her speak and I think on a human level and I got in the context that they can they concluded the inspector that I did nothing wrong professionally that her personal life has been so you know demeaned publicized in such a crass way by the president so repeatedly It I think a lot of us are so fascinated to see what she had to say. Thanks so much and out front next. Joe Biden's no Malarkey tour as vos voters in Iowa way in in the country is so ready for him and I just feel like it's his time and breaking news on President. Jimmy Carter tonight. He is back in the hospital. uh-huh breath what about that one content ten that one that one is this year with racket. Ten it gets me cashback on almost everything I buy. That one All sign up today and racked up. 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It's now splashed across. This is campaign bus on a tour through Iowa connecting with voters over eight days in eighteen counties biden. Swing state comes as he sits at the top of the democratic like field in national polls. But here in Iowa it's a different picture a recent CNN des Moines Register poll in the Hawkeye State showed Pete Buddha judge ahead of the pack with Biden. Battling for second with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren we're here to translate the polls nationally win one inch soon. Be Biden's main focus this trip meeting voters in rural communities. When we win God willing we have to focus on the core and the heart and the soul of this country which is small town and Rural America? Along the way he's been accompanied by former Iowa Governor Tom Bill sack and his wife Christie to influential figures in the state of course supporting Biden. I didn't see rural areas as keys to send a strong message about reports of Rural America. I think it's a message to Democrats in the past has sort of ignored at at their peril. Thank you very biden is no stranger to Iowa's political landscape. Having run here unsuccessfully twice before Annabel chen-lin has been and with him from the start. What did you think is going to be different for Biden? This time around compared to his one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and two thousand eight runs. The country is so ready for him and I just feel like it's his time but many iowans are still taking their time to decide which candidate is the right fit. I don't think he's he's been here enough. Spend a Lotta time here That's what it usually takes for. Most Iowans they feel like they gotta see the people several times before they make up their mind and so. When do you think you'll make your mind? And maybe the night of a month in advance or take an advanced powder-dry Biden's betty has facetime with voters voters. I can't ban for Obama nearer the southeast and one on one conversations will help carry him over the finish line come caucus night Pity feel you're winning over voters I think so I think so here in Iceland nearly states they wanna touch they wanNA feel you they want to get a sense. Is this Israel. Now we just learned moments ago. The Joe Biden raise more in the last two months than he did the entire last quarter order. The campaign isn't saying exactly how much that is. But last quarter he raised fifteen point seven million significantly less than many of his rivals in Aaron. One other thing to note Joe Biden isn't even in Iowa right now he actually is taking a detour to Chicago fund raisers. He'll be back in the morning holding event here in Mason City before heading to New York for more fundraisers trying to raise that money to stay competitive here and in the states beyond brutal schedule. 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Political analyst Dana Bash Ashes and chief political correspondent and Ryan Goodman former special counsel at the Defense Department David Look We. We've had the week of a few days. People have been gone for Thanksgiving that how the house was not in session. Obviously people were working away but they weren't session. They weren't getting all the publicity from that. Do they have the momentum right now. I don't so if they have political momentum I really. Don't I think that you see how United Republicans have remained defiant. The president has remained you know I. It doesn't seem like much. Public opinion is moving. I think this was a topic around. Thanksgiving dinner tables as people tried to sort through not so much. What the facts were because we knew the story going in? But what do you do with it. I do think there's a debate about okay. Well is this impeachable is out the the right Is that the right step forward. So I think what Democrats are thinking about right now is is there momentum to be gained by synthesizing all of this bringing it all all home to people so they understand it. They understand that it's a clear case. There'll be another case a defense that's made but can you make the case that all of this adds is up to something high crimes and misdemeanors it should force the removal of the President before a presidential election next year. That gives voters that chance and I've always thought that was the biggest obstacle for Democrats. Yeah I mean I shouldn't Republicans say look if this is so bad. Let the voters decide right right especially when you are so close Dan you have you know when you talk about the momentum. There's just the raw speed of it. Democratic Congressman Steny. Hoyer right is officially announce. The House is going on recess right. There's Dang through Friday December twentieth when they're going to have their final votes and one would presume an impeachment vote would be on that day if they aren't able to get it before I mean they are really trying to raise towards a vote here they they are They have a time line. There's no room for error Because you have this one hearing this week one or two next week and then and then behind the scenes of course. We know that they're beginning. They're keeping a close hold on this. They're beginning to to craft articles of impeachment. But then you're going to have the votes in the committee and then votes on House floor. And if he if past is prologue each article gets its own debate gets its own votes So sending where you're saying officially what we we already knew which is that. They're going to have to stay. Meet that deadline one could point. I totally agree with David. Momentum is in the eye of the beholder Democrats may think they have momentum because they feel that they have a clear case. Republicans feel the same way which is what you saw and it will talk about it a little bit? But you saw What they laid out in their pre buttle but it speaks to what they're hearing at home with their seeing it polls and the Atta boys people like John Kennedy? He's a senator of course are getting from a president When he even you know goes back he flips and flops and goes goes back to you know maybe an iteration of of a position that he had publicly a couple of of weeks ago on the conspiracy theory that Ukraine was involved called in In meddling in two thousand sixteen elections that all speaks to the the the comfort level that Republicans have in in voters constituents with the with the fact that they don't think the president should be impeached and potentially helps them politically and they're being aggressive Ryan. I mean I mean obviously we're hours away from those public hearings Judiciary Committee we've got law professors coming in okay But the top Republican House Judiciary Committee Doug Collins is saying Oh i WanNa see into the intelligence chairman. Adam Schiff testify. Here's what he said. First and foremost the first person to test is Adam. Schiff Adam Schiff is author their support. He's put put himself into that position if he chooses not to. Then I really questioned his veracity and what. He's putting in his report. They WANNA force him to talk about the whistle blower which of course is a moot point because the whistle blower Putting the report has been proven by Sources who you know. We're not tertiary so it's a moot point but but they're trying to throw this in the water right. It's putting into the water water. Is there any chance this happens. What does it mean to the time? Line when you've battles like this going on so I do think it just kinda throws mud in the air and makes a lot of noise. But it didn't think anything like this is GonNa the materialized. There's no reason for at shift to be a witness Because the only implication is as you mentioned this idea that he might have had contact with a whistle blower which he has said he hasn't and the whistle blowers lawyer lawyer has said Rispler has never met Adam Schiff. And it's irrelevant at this point. We have overwhelming corroboration of the whistle blowers complaint. So once again. What's the whole point of that and if anything thing do you really want to go down that path? Adam Schiff were there may be devin. Nunes should be there too. Since he's been implicated in the world of Hunter Biden. I mean but but looked look David lawyer for one of Giuliani's associates. Today Life Partners says he wants to work with thousand committee right. He now wants to to talk. That's what we're hearing right federal prosecutors now twenty nine electronic devices connected to the defendants in that case thousands of documents. The these are people who are accused of serious crimes That were You know in bed with Giuliani. When it came to business in Ukraine? How worried is is Guiliani? Is the president about someone like left Parnasse at this point. Well I think it's a separate concern. I mean I think if you're the president the most incriminating information already come out and he released the partial transcript attendant said. Yeah I did it I mean again we have to remember we're in these unique Fact Patterns of President Trump where. He admits what he did right away. It's not a WHO done it. It's who cares. That's his argument his defense and and so for do you know. I think the president ultimate might throw Giuliani under the bus. If it gets to that and I I think that's where the Barton's could be difficult but it says something about the intelligence committee is still open for business even though they're drafting this report what this is really about though and having these judiciary very committee hearings where they're bringing in experts on impeachment is it is a show for the public. I don't think the finders of fact in the Congress in the House of the Senate you are going to be moved by any of this the question is will the public be moved by any of it and you know you do have the president on the other side. We should remember our recent history of impeachment. Bill Clinton used to say during impeachment in the nineties he went after Republicans and his attack was. They can't beat me with their ideas. So are they go to this stuff. They go to my personal life. They go to other mistakes. Teach And it worked and it worked and and trump and a very united added core of Republicans are doing the same here. It's it's a huge obstacle but again the opportunity is to clarify to synthesize it to really make a compelling case which no one is defending the facts on the president side again. If you know everyone everyone who's GonNa vote here knows what they're gonNa do and is paid attention to the hearings. If the the report they're putting out us for the American public they shouldn't do. What the Republicans did which is do one hundred twenty three pages? They gotta find a way to make this a lot more clear. I hear your point. It was clear the transcript but they I have to find a way to thread that needle but next. We're all GonNa stay with me because I want to talk about that. Republican report one hundred twenty three pages Republicans rallying behind their president And and and putting in a whole bunch of stuff that just is completely counterfactual. We're GONNA go through the key points and she's had enough former. FBI Attorney trashed by President. Trump is fighting back because of this lease pay who was forced to leave the FBI adds her lover. Peter Struck breath reporter spoke. Lisa page is out front tonight. It's cyber Monday all week long in Omaha steaks has an exclusive deal for podcast listeners. Get the perfect gift for everyone on your list. You'll save big and feel good. Sending a one hundred percent guaranteed gift deft. In a recent survey seventy. Three percent of Americans said they'd rather get great food than more stuff as a gift. So when you send Omaha steaks they'll get delicious tender steaks and so much more and you'll know you send to gift. They'll share remember and love this week during the Omaha steaks cyber Monday sale. podcast listeners can get the favored gift package for sixty ninety nine. Just go to Omaha steaks DOT COM and type out front in the search bar. This delicious gift includes four steakhouse classic. 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They've got a new one hundred twenty three page pre bottle to the democratic the findings in it they argue. There's no evidence of bribery extortion or any high crime or misdemeanor. So one hundred and twenty three pages. There's a lot in there but here are some of the crucial things. This is still a down. At one point they write. President trump has a deep seated genuine and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption. Well well I mean maybe some people would share that concern. But that doesn't that's not true for the president Here's what the truth is Basser Song that agreed that the president did not give an expletive about Ukraine. I asked why not stated that the president only cares about big stuff. I noted there was big stuff going on in Ukraine like a war with Russia ambassador. Sunland replied that he meant big stuff that benefits the president like the Biden investigation investigation. The Mr Giuliani was pushing. There's that genuine deep seated skepticism of corruption okay. What about this claim they? They also saying they report the summary of the Twenty July twenty fifth. Two Thousand Nineteen telephone conversation shows no quid. Pro Quo were indication of conditionality threats or pressure of course The memo of the phone call quote the President United States as I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it continues news talk about the Biden's in the context of military aid so You know that's the summary of the call and that doesn't add up the Republican analysis and then they continue to say this is quote. The evidence does not establish that president trump with held a meeting with presidents Alinsky for the purpose of pressuring Ukraine to investigate Barista. Joe Biden Hunter Biden or Ukrainian influence on the election. Of course under oath testimony shows the complete opposite. To be the case. was there a quid. Pro Quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes okay Everyone is back with me so I look point by point That we just we were just able to kind of those points. There's just three that we grabbed out They don't don't comport with the facts. How effective is this report? Though so think it's not effective. I think they were played them their hand. Whatever they had and it does have devin? Nunes is and Jim Jordan's name right at the top. I think that's for a reason. So it's an across the board on every single fact it's for the president that everything was correct and appropriate for the president and the defies what we learned for the last two weeks and the public hearings. It defies the fact that three or four trump appointed senior officials reported the in the phone. Call itself a criminal referral to the Justice Department. It defies the fact that the GOP witness Kurt Volker said that. In retrospect he understood stood that it was about Biden and the twenty twenty election and he would have objective if he understood it at the time because it was unacceptable. So it's just so I think they lose a lot. Because here's a mini Americans. Republicans will say that. They think the president acted inappropriately. But it's not impeachable but at least it was inappropriate. They get right I mean they just and it goes against the facts. I mean Dan look the Republicans are saying trump was I mean. I'm sorry this line is just I mean it's it's ridiculous. He's a deep-seated genuine and reasonable simple skepticism of Ukraine due to its history pervasive corruption The history part is true. The president's concern is not. Here's the statement from the president himself. Okay Dana just remind people we don't even need to go to David. Holmes saying the president he overheard the president saying Gord. Silence of the president has given you know what about Ukraine. We we have the president himself saying what he wanted from Ukraine. It wasn't about corruption. It was about this. Well I would think that if they were honest about that SORTA major investigation into the by the very simple answer it. They should investigate the by. The president said it himself Danna and yet yet newness and Jordan have come come out with a report. Saying the facts aren't the facts. Black is white up is down. I mean it's it's it's where we are unfortunately way and This is why you know we have such a tribal Situation here in Washington and across the country But they feed on each other. It's tribal in large part because you have reports like this which as you just played so well all and shows so well it just doesn't match with the reality. That's that's in front of our face that that the president himself said so you know they took it this report you know maybe not just two steps too far ten steps too far because they can because they believe that they can get away with it with the people they care about the Republican base and history shows. The current state of affairs shows that. They're not wrong. I I mean it. This is the thing David this. Oh shocking about it. I mean we give you another one. Okay a Congressman Nunes Jordan. The evidence does not support the president trump orchestrated castrated. A shadow foreign policy. Apparatus for the purpose of pressuring Ukraine to investigate PARISA. Joe Biden Hunter Biden or Ukrainian influence. Okay they say this actually here is trump's million dollar donor has EU ambassador. Gordon silent under oath in response to our persistent and efforts in that meeting to change his views. President trump directed us to quote talk with Rudy. Mr Giuliani emphasized. The president wanted a public statement from presidents Alinsky committing Ukraine to look into the corruption issues. Mr Giuliani Johny specifically mentioned the two thousand sixteen election including the DNC server and Barista as two topics of importance to the president. President I mean. They explicitly say that that didn't happen but he didn't never knew Giuliani doing this. And it had nothing to do with Greece Biden or Ukrainian influence. And here it is it. Go Talk to Giuliani about Ukrainian influence and Barista. I think a lot of their argument comes down to what was the president's content Versus what other people thought it was or Opinions of others on what the president actually wanted. I think it's so clear based on on the president's own words in the July twenty fifth phone call the sound bite. You played from the South Lawn the fact that he's the president of the United States and he's got a newly elected leader who is completely beholden to the United States for existential aid to fight Russia on its eastern front front that you will do with the president suggests you should do and it was to get dirt on all of that is painfully clear. But we're not operating in a quarter the law you know I feel like these reports are meticulously written legal briefs. But then somebody's GONNA stand up in front of the jury unlike in a courtroom. There's not a judge Just going to instruct the jury and charge them with what they have to consider based on the evidence to reach a verdict here. It's the American people. It's completely in the political article domain. Yeah and it was way to kick up dust on this. It was written for the Court of Public Opinion. Not The court of law for all the reasons that Erin just played. It's it's so easily You know contradicted by facts and it Ryan to that point you know. David raises the point. What is the intent of the president that they're trying to get at and explicitly? Do there is no direct first hand evidence of any such scheme. The Democrats are alleging guilt on the basis of hearsay presumptions and speculation rights of presumptions options. Right I think capturing David's point well they are presuming what the president wanted when he he said something. What's your response to this argument at this point about hearsay? It given that we did not hear John Poulton Mick Mulvaney or Mike pompeo or Rudy Giuliani. Say what the president told them directly we have simply heard many other people say what those people told from the president directly right so even in a court of law you could convict somebody of a crime up we a lot of hearsay evidence means so much of that evidence that it at. Some point accumulates under under the proponents of the evidence and here. It's not a criminal proceeding. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt and it's only about whether or not you send it to the Senate for trial. It seems to easily cross that threshold and we do you have some direct evidence. We have the phone call itself which is direct evidence released by the White House. We have people who are on the phone. Call like Lieutenant Colonel Women who said that he understood it as a demand we have Sunland himself saying the president instructed me that I must work with. Giuliani and Giuliani will convey his conditions and Giuliani conveyed his conditions and we have Mick Mulvaney any on national. TV saying we did condition the security assistance on the investigation to two thousand sixteen. So that's overwhelming amount of evidence. That's why Judge Napolitano Fox News said that he thinks it's an overwhelming amount of evidence in favor of impeachment. So I think that that's what the American public will be presented did with and then on Wednesday they'll have constitutional experts. Explain what the legal standard is so that they can judge what is an abuse of power. All right I appreciate all of you very much. Thank you next next. FBI lawyer targeted by President Trump is speaking out after two years of her silence. The reporter who broke that story is my guest snacks. And could the M word win votes. For Joe Biden. So we're on a known Malarkey tour meeting. We're telling the truth. Four schools one national champion East sports most exciting game. The Collegiate Rocket League National Championship returns to the East Sports Stadium in Arlington Texas TUNIN ON TV s Friday December six at eleven pm eastern going. On guys I'm Mike. termine founder. Increase engraved rector of Chinatown. Listen to friends and family a podcast. VR kicks in Chinatown markets and the only show athletes artists and designers. Greed exclusive works together in every episode. Tonight breaking her silence former. FBI lawyer Lisa page so you remember her. She's the one who made headlines when her anti-trump text messages passages were made public and she is now speaking out and she has detailing what it has been like to be a constant target of the president. So you just in case you don't fully remember right the text between page and former. FBI Agent Peter Struck. We're veal that the two were having an affair. Okay so they were talking about things in the investigation and they were also having an affair. Antle antle president trump has seized upon that process about it struck or his lover. Lisa page two great lovers if you look at struck if you look get his lover. Lisa Page is wonderful lover. Lee Self pay who was forced to leave the FBI as her lover. Peter Struck phony. People like McCabe Struck his lover yet. Lisa Page his love her out front now Molly Jong fast the daily beast contributor who just interviewed Lisa Page and look. She said nothing to anybody says she she chose to speak to you and talk about this today. The president saw your story. Yeah okay he slams page goes on twitter twitter and the tweet begins. When Lisa Page the lover of Peter Struck more than thirty tweets thirty tweets? The presence of the United States has sent about Lisa page using using that word. But she tells you it. Was this moment. That made her choose to speak out now and decide to talk. Here's the moment of what he said. Peter I love you to at least tell Lisa Lisa. God I love you Lisa. And if she doesn't win Lisa we've got it ensures policy Lisa that was the moment mm-hmm and that was in October. When she said enough is enough? Yeah I actually talked to her about two weeks after that and she so part of it was that she couldn't defend and herself when she was working at the FBI and so these tax were leaked by the FBI by the DOJ. And she and there's a lot of reporting about it and there's been four years and there's you can read all of the whole story. Natasha Bertran wrote about it. But what's interesting is then she. Then she decides that she couldn't talk and the F. B. I.. Didn't defend her like they. They made it clear they weren't gonNA put out a statement and so she was sort of in the wind for like two New Year's and and finally I sort of found her and I I message with a lot and I wrote to her and I said I've written a a lot about women's plight under trump and interviewed aging Carol and other women who've had this experience and I really think that I could show the human human side of what it's like to be targeted by the president of the United States. And and I want to be clear when you say I mean the DOJ inspector general concluded that the text messages between page and struck were inappropriate. Right right yeah look. This is inappropriate but and this is really important every American should know about it they also concluded there was no bias in the agents work okay. So they're texting things personally only but professionally. There was no evidence of any bias and page was not afraid her tax political. Here's what she told you. Okay so this is your interview with her at the end of July in two thousand seventeen. I'm informed by the DOJ inspector. General's office. But I'm under investigation for political text messages and honestly I have no idea what they're talking about. I have no recollection initially. Initially the very coy about it. They don't much about it. I have the first clue what they're talking about. What I do know is that my text messages will reveal that I previously had an affair? I'm overwhelmed by dread red and embarrassment at the prospect that investigators Andy McCabe and my colleagues now no or could learn about this deeply personal secret and she told you inspectors told older that the affair part of this would not ever be made public and yet it was. Yeah that's right and and it was. It was a Washington Post reporter who was told about the affair. We don't know how he got the story and she begged him not to say anything and it was a really I mean yeah I think swimming has been through two years of like the worst. Hal imaginable and and look you know people make decisions. People make people make mistakes. She had an affair. Are It's a personal thing and a personal issue. She writes though about how now when she gets on the Metro. The subway in Washington She winces wondering if people recognize her She sees someone wearing a trump era Maga- hat. She walks the other way and put distance between us. Because I'm not looking for conflict. I wanted the most in this world. She tells you is my my life back and and I think this is an important point that people may want to know about that you found out she's married to her husband has been her biggest supporter. Yeah he's I mean there was she was taking a trip and she was like you can text my husband and I was like. Wow I mean there are still the other and they have little children and just wants to have a life and she. I don't Lynch ever wanted done an interview if he hadn't if done that thing in that Minnesota Rally right that that disgusting. Yeah obviously they don't need to describe what it was he was doing but yes. So look you do this story. The president response to Mali and then Fox News criticizes you the entire interview with me. Just play for you. What they said paid says the first of the FBI gets the predication to look into trump by George Papadopoulos which starts the whole Russia Russia investigation? Gatien which goes back to the questions. People have who was talking to George Papadopoulos. We're is this professor. That started this whole thing. Where's the ambassador that meets him by chance in a bar for this goes back into it and there's no follow up question for the daily Beast reporter you're that reporter and you are not standing down from that? Yeah I mean to to have my journalistic ethics question by the president's propaganda morning show is pretty amazing. I I'm you know they didn't I'll go on man. I mean there. You know it's a it's a show for an audience of one so I don't think that and the idea that I should ask her about these conspiracy theories that we know from Fiona Jona L. I've been completely debunked but that the Republican Party has continued to use. Those talking points is just really silly. I mean I'm honor that they read so much of it. I was shocked that they did. And you know like when trump tweeted about her I don't think he read it but Now have my journalistic take affects questioned by those guys. It's it's it's a really great article and it's fascinating just to hear her speak and I think on human level and again and again is saying the context that they can they concluded routed the inspector that did nothing wrong professionally that her personal life has been. So you know demeaned in publicized such a crass way By the president so repeatedly I think a lot of us are so fascinated to see what she had to say. Thanks so much an out front next. Joe Biden's no Malarkey tour as photos voters in Iowa way in the country is so ready for him and I just feel like it's his time and breaking news on President. Jimmy Carter tonight. Ninety is back in the hospital. That's the end of the morning dragon experiment. Are you going to say I. I thought I always sleigh at Queen Secondly yes brick and mortar Sundays at eleven thirty only on adult swim newham like everybody in Palm Beach. No no one knows how he made the money for knew what was happening. He was cutting short and pulling my body on already naked body. After after the night for sixteen years I've reported on Jeffrey Epstein man the multi-millionaire the monster. Now go behind the story with me Vicky Hurst. CNN's new podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein I knew subscribe now wherever you get. Your pod costs MHM tonight former Vice President Joe Biden is in the middle of his no Malarkey. That's what he calls it. That's his bus tour through. Iowa will his folksy manner translate to victory are let signs out front nine weeks before the Iowa Caucus cajole fight on barnstorming the state alway. He's calling the no Malarkey tour because guys all rise the freeze a stable of Oh Biden's political career. Due respect that's a bunch of Malarkey such a bunch of Malarkey. It's now splashed across his campaign bus on a tour through Iowa connecting with voters over eight days in eighteen counties biden. Swing state comes as he sits at the top of the Democratic field in national polls holes but here in Iowa. It's a different picture a recent CNN des Moines Register poll in the Hawkeye State showed Pete Buddha judge ahead of the pack with Biden in battling for second with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren translate. Old One burst Biden's main focus this trip meeting voters in rural communities. When we win God willing we have to focus on the core and the heart and the soul of this country which is small town and Rural America? Along along the way he's been accompanied by former Iowa governor. Tom Bill Sat and his wife. Christie influential figures in the state of course supporting Biden it see rural areas has as key. So it's an opportunity to send a strong message about the importance of rural America. I think it's a message to Democrats in the past sort of ignored at their peril. Thank you very. The Biden is no stranger. Iowa's political landscape having run here unsuccessfully twice before Annabel chen-lin has been with him from the start. What did you think is going to be different for Biden? This time around compared to his one thousand nine hundred eighty eight two thousand eight runs. The country is so ready for him and I just feel like it's his time but many iowans are still taking their time to decide which candidate is the right fit. I don't think he's he's been here enough. Spent a lot of time here. That's what it usually takes most iowans. They feel like they gotta see the people several times before they make up their mind and so. When do you think you'll make your mind? Maybe the night stuff a month in advance or two months in advance like she. I like to keep my powder dry. Biden's betty has facetime with voters. Bama Emma Selfish and one on one conversations. We'll help carry him over the finish line come caucus night so do you feel. You're winning over voters I think so I think so here in island nearly states they wanna touch it they want to feel you. They want to get a sense. This is real now. We just learned moments ago that Joe Biden raise more in the last two months than he did the entire last quarter. The campaign isn't saying exactly how much that is. But last quarter he raised fifteen point seven million significantly less than many of his rivals and Aaron. One other thing to note Joe Biden isn't even on an island right now. He actually is taking a detour to Chicago for fundraisers he'll be back in the morning holding an event here in Mason city before heading to New York for more fundraisers trying to raise that money to stay competitive here in the states beyond brutal schedule. Thank you very much. Arlette Breaking News on former president. 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Decision Day Looms| American Electorate Podcast EP   12.5

The American Electorate

07:39 min | 9 months ago

Decision Day Looms| American Electorate Podcast EP 12.5

"A everyone help you guys. Having a great Thursday it turns out I have about seven point. Five Mega Heights left. Suffered I try to throw something out there and I because because of a short amount of space of course can't talk too long I'm not just relaxing on the last few days or rabbinate Mcginn a full podcast episode out the wool be a full one on Monday and Wednesday. But I wanted to talk really quick because obviously tomorrow is one of the biggest days of the the trump presidency. The Senate is going to decide on whether or not to have witnesses. I'm about fifty one. Forty nine percent saying eh that they are going to have more witnesses. Susan Collins but Romney and a couple of others have kind of signaled that they want more witnesses and then you also had Diane Feinstein said That she might be favor of Quito but then came back and retracted. That so. Who knows what's going to happen? I've been saying from the beginning that that this has been an unfair process and I think even if we have our witnesses. I don't think we're going to have everyone that each side once so this. This is going to be unfair. I think from the beginning I think even if we have more witnesses and John Boldness called and they don't any doesn't give basically what answers Democrats wants than they'll as they'll shift from him. Tila harnessed to Rudy Giuliani again. If we have witnesses in that case you also will probably hear from Joe Biden in Hunter Biden with another reason why I have called this unfair and I think it's really important and for people to kind of put this in proper context in the house back during the Bill Clinton impeachment each point they were allowed to call witnesses and this go around for Trump they were not so currently at this moment in time Ted. A January thirtieth two thousand twenty there's been seventy witnesses called by the Democrats and zero by the Republicans. So so that's a that's A. That's a huge difference and to me that means we've only heard practically one side of the story I mean we've heard from Adam schefter from Jerry Nadler that there's no basis for the investigation that the only possible reason that trump would want. Investigate is just to interfere with the next election and and to me like an to me. It's like a camera argument that people have been making for instance for John Bowl when people say well. If you done wrong you know. According to hide just go and testify you know prove your innocence. I would say to me. I'd say the same thing for Joe Biden Hunter Biden Alexandra and all the rest to me. If and also I gotta think if Adam Schiff thinks that there is no basis for the investigation if there's nothing there that everything was on the up and up the why not let the Republicans present that case in show that they basically unhappy. Nothing that there is that there was nothing to the whole situation and this could have been done a long time ago but they didn't and that to me me is that to me is a little suspect elise to say the least. They weren't allowed to present that case even even if you think that they had. Nothing's this whole thing. The whole process has not been great. Like like. I said I think this whole thing will forever remain incomplete even if we get witnesses but especially if if we don't get witnesses and we don't hear from anyone else It's it's a cover artists from both sides. I mean because again we haven't haven't heard from we haven't got here from Johnny If they don't call it as that means when I hear from John Bolton unless he has some bombshell the book Where hearing from Mick Mulvaney? IM FROM LA harness. Who Again I? I think has credibility issues seeing that he's died for falsifying documents and lying to the FBI so But anyway I mean he says he has his. ACL would be interesting to hear what he has to say. But this whole thing has been once huge staff and I'm I'm hoping that it end sooner rather than later so that we can get back to the campaign and talking about the issues that people care about like healthcare like I was talking gene with Machel on Monday show and that was one of my. That was a favourite when my favorite episodes of all time that I've ever recorded so so if you haven't listened to Monday show go back and listen to it. It was a great time interview. I I think you would enjoy it. Well that's I yeah. I guess that's pretty much all I have time to say again. I'm fifty one forty nine in favor or or I always what I think will happen. As far as getting more witnesses to testify. Also I got I got one last thing. Sorry if you are looking for I guess it's like an inside look into the impeachment Process Pretty sure you guys heard about it. radical Ted Cruz is been done by the deal. Wire which is a the Hyper partisan News outlet on the right. But it's interesting to hear the other side of the The case since I don't feel like we've we've heard the American people have heard enough of it like I said. I think the American people deserve to hear from all the witnesses so we can figure out what the hell happened. It's a really good a really good podcasts casts I think they've had just only one just came out to day. I think I was looking at that. Is called the episode out four critical questions Go check that out next week. Likely or money. Show them talk about some more than patron things like basically. Okay what's what's going to happen with The witnesses if we have more or basically the ending of the impeachment inquiry and President and trump being acquitted. Also there's a few more tools than I came across at that. I believe that will help. E stay informed during this election cycle. One Line is from a mobile APP that I totally forgot to mention in my twenty twenty election preparations area. So that will. I dropped the ball on that. But we're to talk about that extensively on fine Monday. So if you like to reach me do so a politic podcast gmail.com politics podcast at g mail dot com also. Oh I'm on twitter. So that's at Greg Anderson Junior. Thank you so much for listening to the opposite today and I have been and thankful for getting all the feedback especially like from people like shot. Joe Camacho and Michelle Rodriguez. If you'd like to be on the PODCAST. I cast just email me or hit me up on twitter and we can talk about it till then. I'll see you next week

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Schiff: Impeachment report coming soon after Thanksgiving; Defense Secretary: Trump ordered me to let Gallagher keep his job; Trump allies push debunked conspiracy theory Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in 2016 election

The Lead with Jake Tapper

46:21 min | 11 months ago

Schiff: Impeachment report coming soon after Thanksgiving; Defense Secretary: Trump ordered me to let Gallagher keep his job; Trump allies push debunked conspiracy theory Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in 2016 election

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The Navy secretary forced out Over case of military justice that president trump just couldn't stay awake from plus the first security cam video of castle high a billion dollars diamonds in gem stones and treasure. Oh is behind the biggest robbery since the Second World War. Welcome to the lead on this Monday. America Hill in for Jake and we begin today with the politics lead new details this afternoon about the timing and Democrats next moves in the impeachment feature an inquiry in the letter to Colleagues House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff says a report laying out the case against the president will come soon after Thanksgiving this as the White House. Review of the President's decision to withhold critical military aid to Ukraine shows a coordinated effort to come up with a justification for that hold after the fact according to The Washington Post some of the documents containing quote unflattering exchanges. That could look bad for president trump despite the trump administration insisting everything was done on the up and up as CNN. Sara Murray reports that internal review is raising serious questions raises profound constitutional questions and house. Democrats seizing today on a report that the White House went searching for a legal explanation to justify president trump's decision to freeze nearly four hundred million dollars in aid the Ukraine well after the freeze went into effect. The Washington Post first broke the news that a confidential White House search turned up August emails between Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mick Mulvaney and acting office of Management and Budget Director Russ vote in the emails. Mulvaney asks for an update on the legal justification for pausing the aid and how how much longer it could stay frozen for a source familiar with the situation said Owen be decided in July did did military aid could legally be paused temporarily by August administration. Officials were concerned that trump may not release the money at all prompting a flurry of conversations in August. Just about whether it was legal to keep the money on. Hold the president's got to come to Congress if he's going to hold that money for any reason and explain why there's a public interest to do so they just went ahead having held this up for the president's personal political scheming the revelations comments House Democrats Shift to the next phase of impeachment preparing a report to serve as the basis for articles of impeachment. While leaving the door open for more public hearings. We don't foreclose the possibility more depositions more hearings we are in the process of getting more or documents all the time so that investigative work is going to go on House Intelligence Committee chairman. Adam Schiff telling Jake on state of the Union. The House isn't waiting around even for a potentially explosive witnesses like former national security adviser John Bolton if we subpoena him they will sue US in court. Now he he will have to explain one day if that if he maintains that position why he wanted to wait and put it in a book instead of tell the American people what he knew when it really mattered to the country now in his letter to colleagues shifts says that the report that they are working on is going to lay out instances where people have failed to comply imply with subpoenas so that they can determine whether there should be an article of impeachment based on instruction. Erica Sara. Murray latest Sarah. Thank you So Keith as we know this report for now coming after Thanksgiving we could see. Obstruction added to the articles of impeachment. Is there enough to make that case. Given the fact at the White House has refused to comply with any subpoenas the entire executive branches if refused to comply with subpoenas we have evidenced now From reporters is that there was a concerted effort to conceal any sort to create a cover of a post hoc cover up for what took place with Ukraine scandal. I don't think I think there's any reason it'd be any justification for not having articles of impeachment that include some element of obstruction of justice. Remember this was a critical element in the Nixon impeachment investigation as well and also of course in the Clinton impeachment so I think that Obstruction of justice is unreasonable. I think it's entirely likely to happen. And completely justified conflict considering stonewalling taking place when we look at what else we saw in this letter from Adam Schefter says. The evidence of wrongdoing and misconduct is not into dispute. Adding the fact that the president has uniformly uniformly instructed all executive branch agencies and senior officials to obstruct the investigation further demonstrates Elliott consciousness. snus of guilt on the part of the president. There's a lot of strong language in this letter. Perhaps not entirely unexpected. Let's be clear. But what do you make of of the point. That Adam Schiff if it's making specifically in this year colleague letter when I look at this letter. It seems clear to me that he will be pursuing an article of impeachment for obstruction of Congress on the basis just said plus on the witness intimidation and and possibly even on the Don mcgann Robert Muller Information. He mentioned alludes to that in this letter now. Consciousness of guilt the phrase that we just saw everybody is just the basic common sense notion ocean that you don't hold back witnesses you've hold back evidence unless you are hiding something and if you are in it tells us something about what's going on in your mind so as we look at all that. NFL As as Sarah just mentioned Shift whole chairmanship told Jake over the weekend. He said listen. There's nobody else scheduled. But as to whether he's ready to impeach he was a little bit of it. I just WanNa play that moment. Do you think president trump should be impeached. I wanted discuss assists with my constituents and my colleagues before I make a final judgment on it. You've also said the what you've seen is far more serious than what Nixon did. Explain to amy how you have not come to the conclusion that the president should be impeached. Well I certainly think that the evidence that's been produced overwhelmingly shows Serious misconduct by the president. But I do WanNa hear more from my constituency and I want to hear more from my colleagues so he says in the letter. What's left now to decide whether the constitutional process of impeachment is warranted? Do you see a scenario. Where in fact pitchman is not pursued? I mean I can certainly visualize scenario particularly particularly given the fact that Republicans are so obstinate opposition to this. I think the Nancy Pelosi. The speaker wants very much to have this. Be a process that moves forward to have. The vote includes Republican votes. I don't think it's likely that they wanNA pursue articles of impeachment. But I can certainly see why there may be some internal deliberations saying hey we want to go through with this thing. It's going to be framed As being strictly Democrats against Republicans which itself isn't a bare frame and you can just name as she was Represented from Michigan. It was basically forced onto the Republican Party reported impeachment over the summer. So there is. I guess I'm bipartisanship in that sense but I certainly do think that it is important to representative Schiff to Speaker Pelosi to some extent as well L. Disorder present. This as being a we are still in the deliberative process period here. I think that's part of why you hear that from because there is a political calculus l.. Sure there is and I think it. It was very telling in the interview that he did with Jake over the weekend. Jake gave them several opportunities to come out full force saying yes we are ready to. Impeach is absolutely going to happen and he. He was very reserved on this. I think it's really important to remember if you look back at the Clinton impeachment as well as the Nixon impeachment that was partisan Republicans Publican's that were calling for this as well. We don't have that here. And first and foremost Nancy Pelosi was very hesitant to proceed with going down this road unless there was overwhelming coming and compelling as well as bipartisan support for that they don't have that and it's not a matter of the fact that Republicans are holding back for the sake of being Republican. It's because they haven't seen seen the evidence if anyone was going to come out and and break ranks and separate themselves from Republicans it would have been. Congressman will heard who has a lot of problems with the president doesn't and he was very clear in his statements. Last week saying that he that impeachment needs to be compelling it needs to be overwhelming and he himself says he has not seen the evidence to move forward with an impeach. Democrats do not pursue this. Are they harmed especially moving into twenty twenty if they don't pursue impeachment. I don't see any chance that they pursue impeachment and responding to Alice. I mean we'll heard was a disappointment for sure but he said that the president's conduct was inappropriate. He just instead it wasn't it wasn't impeachable and I think what's happened is that the Republicans have decided They've changed so much as a party willing to March lockstep with Donald trump across the cliff. With you say that the United States can encourage a foreign government to interfere in our nation's elections and that is not impeachable. Conduct is just inappropriate. That's that's A. It's wildly unacceptable for future precedent. It sets for other presidents in our country. I don't think that's the direction we want to go as a country. Not to mention the fact that you have plenty plenty of the other Republicans who have expressed concerns about what took place some like. Just Tamasha is a former Republican. You wouldn't be wouldn't buy person but he had to leave the party because he realized that there there's no room in the party for disagreement and dissent and he would have made about partisan impeachment process. It's also important not alone there. A lot of Republicans myself included. Who have said I'm from day one? This is an appropriate. This is ill advised but it does not rise the level of impeachment. I was ready to go into this. Hearing with both Eyes Wide Open if there was anything nothing more anything. Further compelling evidence. I was willing to change my mind. I didn't see it and I think we're going to have this discussion. We're going to have to leave. 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Two one six to eight in our national lead today. The secretary defense at it is time for the Navy to move on after a confusing and chaotic weekend that ended with the secretary of the navy being fired and Navy seal. He'll found to have brought discredited armed services allowed to keep his heel status as Barbara Starr reports. This all comes after. President trump intervened in the controversial case despite warnings from some of his top military leaders. President trump has now ordered the Pentagon to allow Eddie Gallagher to keep his status S.. Navy seal is a great fighter. He was the what are the ultimate fighters tough guy. The controversial case ended with a shocking firing of of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer by Defense Secretary. Marcus bar as I say today. That Spencer was conducting backchannel communications with the White House without telling him surgery. Spencer of proposed a deal whereby the president law the navy the handful case he would guarantee that any gallagher alligator would be restored the rank allowed to retain his tried. And that would have meant a precooked deal for what was supposed to be an impartial process. We had no knowledge. Let's go to buy it earlier this year. Gallagher was convicted of posing for a photo with the corpse of an Isis fighter. After being acquitted of premeditated needed murder and attempted murder. The president took a keen interest in the case repeatedly intervening on Gallagher's behalf. All of which could leave the Pentagon damaged it makes it appear as if there's really not accountability that if people violate their oath or commit crimes there's a way out and they can be eh They can escape accountability If they get the president in their Corner Spencer never acknowledged the back channel talks in his forced resignation letter writing. I no longer share the same understanding with the commander in chief who appointed me. I cannot in good conscience obey the order that I believe violates relates to sacred. Okay I took. This is all about ego and retaliation. This has nothing to do with good order and discipline. They could've taken my trident at any any time they wanted. Now they're trying to take take it. After the president restored my rank and now Eddie Gallagher is expected to retire in just a few days at the end of the month with his Seal Status Artist in tact secretary espy. The Pentagon chief wants everybody to move on but it remains to be seen. How long the very bad feelings will linger Erica? Barbara Start with the latest from the Pentagon Barbara. Thank you joining me now. Democratic Senator Gary Peters of Michigan. He is a former Lieutenant Commander in the US Navy Reserve and now serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee As you just heard senators you just heard Barbara say defense secretary s versus. It's time now to move on to focus on the mission. You've said though that you believe this undermines the commanders. What is your main concern? Well it does the president's actions Undermine the commanders good order and discipline is absolutely absolutely critical in the military particularly with the Navy Seals. You know I'm ranking member of the subcommittee that actually oversees our special operations forces. These are incredible individuals. Vigils do incredible work. But it's encumbent that we follow rule of law and the Military Code of Justice and folks need to be held accountable if They are not within the that code and we need to have that standard and that standard is important for the rest of the world understand that the American military is the most professional force in the world because we uphold standards so then following up on that what. What do you think this sets because it sounds if you're saying the standards are being thrown out out the window well it it when you have the president Engaged in this. There's a process that you go through. It's a military justice process. There are review boards We're dealing feeling right now. Actually in the seal community with a variety of issues that are a challenge to the culture. I can tell you in the conversations. I've had with senior leaders at the. US Navy Navy. It's something that has to be addressed. They are taking action. They're holding people accountable to standards. That are not up to what you would expect of a US Navy seal and they need to be allowed allowed to do that and then to have the president intervene for whatever political reason he thinks he needs to intervene. Really Undermines What the Navy needs to do to maintain the professionalism rationalism that we are known for and is essential for our national security interest professionalism former Navy secretary Richard Spencer in his letter wrote quote? I I no longer share the same understanding with the commander-in-chief appointed me in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline and says he can't in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred. ooh I took. Is it right if we're talking about standards if we're talking about the way things are done is it right for him. To publicly rebuke is commander in chief. Well I don't know the circumstances. I think we need to know more exactly what happened. You know you read That letter we have something different from the Secretary of defense. I think we need to to have more facts as to what happened this back and forth. I think is confusing to everybody but I think the facts remains to have the president engaged in a disciplinary action. That it goes through the the military justice process is simply a bad precedent set damages the morale of the military as well the the president for his part Just a short Oval Office this afternoon weighed in. Here's what he had to say what I'm doing sticking up for our armed forces and and there's never been a president that's going to stick up for them and has like I have including the facts that we spent two and a half trillion dollars on rebuilding our armed forces. I know you've talked about the process that in place but is this in any way the president. Do you see this as the president sticking up for the well. I don't see this when when you're dealing with the the the military justice system You shouldn't intervene which appears to be on on a whim and perhaps Motivated by something other than justice. I don't want to say what that may be because I don't know what that is. But we have a very comprehensive criminal justice system that holds people accountable when they are are acting outside of the uniform court of Military Justice and that's we need Stanford I mean we've seen this. President oftentimes believed that the rules don't apply to him. The laws don't apply to him and apparently he thinks he can extend that to other individuals in the military. And I think that kind of break breakdown of good order and discipline is not not healthy for the military and it doesn't do anything to maintain the incredible professionalism that we are known for Around the world before we let you go. I just want to get your take on impeachment. You of of course represent a state that the president won narrowly in two thousand sixteen a recent New York Times poll from last month found more than half of voters in six battleground states including including Michigan in oppose impeaching president trump and removing him from office. Do you believe that this is worth the political risk for Democrats. Well I I think we have to see how it continues to play out. We're still the houses still finding facts. They're determining whether or not they will put articles of impeachment forward or they'll draft those. Yes I think we need to see what is in those articles if they are passed and then as you know it comes to the Senate where a trial will be held. I will be juror along with a my senate colleagues and I just hope when it's all said and done that we're focused on the politics. This is a very serious business Put forward by our framers our founders. Who thought it was important for for Congress to have this power in order to be a check on the executive they were particularly fearful of the abuse of power that you could have from the executive We have to treat this based on the facts and let the facts drive the discussion because ultimately whatever is decided this could very well set a precedent for the behavior of future presidents. And I think we we need to be looking at this from a historical perspective and really understand how important it is for the future of our country. Senator Gary Peters Appreciate Your Time Today thank you thank you. This is when we really haven't heard before the new defensive president trump which actually sounds a lot like what North Koreans called dictator Kim Jong UN in. Your jeans aren't just about you. It's something you share with the people closest to you uncovering potential health issues. 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President trump and now many of his allies want you to believe Ukraine was also up up to the same dirty tricks Sanchez reports the effort to sow doubt could impact. What's next in the impeachment inquiry president trump today in welcoming the prime minister of Bulgaria to the White House? What we have a great friendship degrade people while the president and his allies? Continue to peddle debunk conspiracy theories about another eastern European nation making unfounded claims about Ukraine's involvement with Democrats during the two thousand sixteen election. I trump went on Fox. They gave the server to crowd strike or whatever it's called which is a country which is a company owned by very wealthy the Ukrainian and I still want to see that server you know the FBI is never gotten that server David to Ukraine the word is this this weekend his supporters in the Senate followed in his footsteps Louisiana. Senator John Kennedy casting doubt about Russia's meddling in two thousand sixteen contradicting getting not only the US intelligence community but also the findings of his own colleagues on the Senate. Intelligence Committee was it Russia or Ukraine. I don't know Narda you nor do any of US Miss Hill up to say the entire intelligence community it was Russia that right but it could also be Ukraine. I'm not saying that I know one way or the other another key. Trump ally the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee Congressman Devin. Nunes is now facing questions about his ties to Ukraine. An attorney for indicted Rudy Giuliani. Associate Associate left. Porn is tell C. N.. His client is willing to talk to Congress about what he knows about a top Ukrainian at the center of allegations against Biden meeting thing with Nunez in Austria in two thousand eighteen. The attorney said his client was told by the Ukrainian prosecutor. Victor Shokhin about the meeting. Nunez disputed the claim in an interview view on Fox business but provided no specifics. And what always happened is right when we expose them. What do they do they go out to kill the Messenger so this week? Another fake news story. Republicans loyalty to the President even in the face of facts. Epitomized is by outgoing energy secretary. Rick Perry who says he believes trump holy mission. Am I said Mr President. I know there are people that say you know you. You said you were the Chosen One and I said you were. I said if if you're a believing Christian you understand God's plan For the people who rule and and judge over us on this planet in our in our government and Erica president trump was asked today about a comment. That Rudy Giuliani made over the weekend. Saying that he has insurance in case president trump were to throw him under the bus. Today trump saying he does not know. Guiliani is talking about appraise the former mayor of New York City and so that the press treats him unfairly Erica or Sanchez with the latest. I at the White House. Boris thank you Phil as we look at all this. The president and his allies continued to push this debunked notion. That Ukraine interfered in the two thousand sixteen election not Russia China and Russia. Just just to remind people right. So Russia spread disinformation hacked into servers tried to sow division trying to equate that with an op-ed that an official may have written about. It's something that then candidate trump said about Ukraine. Not exactly the same thing that being said this conspiracy campaign seems to the beginning traction and followers. So how do you refute that when the facts aren't working that's the question right. I don't know I wish I did. I mean part of our job as journalists to say. Here's what's actually happening when people simply say no. I don't accept that like what do I don't know what to do with that. I think it's important to reiterate though we need the magic the answer from I wish I wish I'd have my own show. The real issue here is the point that you raise was downstairs. There's simply no evidence that Ukraine as has instituted the body that the government of Ukraine had any role in trying to interfere in two thousand sixteen these piecemeal context we knew bringing officials in these other things. But there's no evidence in Russia the evidence of Russia that was presented by Donald Trump. They're saying that Ukraine maybe had the server which is just absolute nonsense. I mean it's not even tangentially close to accurate uh-huh but this idea that Russia didn't the only evidence we have is through this company. Trump says tied Ukraine is also ridiculous. Robert Moore has this lengthy indictment of Russians Shins for what they did including messages from the Russians between two to one another that somehow they obtain from the Russians. I mean it is all we can do at this point. As far as I'm concerned it simply say what what is being presented and endorsed by Donald Trump and his supporters is utterly nonsense. Inaccurate information is overwhelming that Russia was behind this and we need to focus on that and need to make sure it doesn't happen again. I I think spreading this type of misinformation is not good and it sends us in the wrong direction and it further goes on to what Fiona Hill said last week. The more we go about dividing American dividing politics spreading misinformation Asian. This exactly what Russia want your. We need to stop spreading doing ex- exactly and we need to make sure that it doesn't happen again. That's where the focus. There are also a number of questions after a lawyer for Giuliani associate. Left parties told. CNN that part is actually willing to tell Congress Devon newness of course the on the intelligence it's committee Republican ranking member went to Vienna last year to meet with a former Ukrainian process prosecutor to dig up dirt on the Biden's now newness of course wouldn't talk to CNN about this about the trip did not deny it when asked about the reporting on Fox take a look at that moment bottomline. Were you in the end with Shokhin. Yeah so look I really want to answer all of these question question And I promise you absolutely will come back on the show and answer these questions but because there is criminal activity here we're working with the appropriate free law enforcement agencies so Elliott eventually told Breitbart the CNN reporting was in his words demonstrably false. If this is true though how big a deal is this news needs to be really careful because let's all remember. It is a federal crime to solicit from a foreign national campaign assistance distance. Those three things so if he sat down with a foreign national that seems to be the case area this reporting is true and solicited ask for an investigation of the Biden's which it doesn't have to help your campaign devin nunes. It can help someone else's campaign to if the intent here was to help Donald Trump's campaign and if that's a thing of value which is a little bit of a legal dispute and that's a crime so he's on very thin ice here needs to be really careful and Keith. Jackie Speier is actually saying she wants House ethics to look into this. I think there should be an investigation. Dennis was the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee Republicans and he's sitting up there conducting an investigation while never e point disclosing his own involvement entanglement. Oh man with Ukraine. His involvement digging up dirt allegedly on the Biden is so he's a Co conspirator in very investigation that he's supposedly investigating. This makes no oh sentence and it goes goes to show you on. Guiliani is now under investigation in his associates. Life Partners and eager have been indicted. All these trump people who are associated with defending trump have come under this cloud of scrutiny. Suddenly but nobody is really scrutinizing. Joe Biden Hunter Biden. Because they haven't been they. I haven't been convicted of anything. They have been indicted for anything. Nobody's there was no federal investigation of them even from the trump justice department. So why trump justice department so curiously interested stood in investigating Giuliani and his associates benign interested in the invested in Hunter Biden. Joe Biden is because there is nothing to find there with hundred Joe Biden. But there's plenty of criminal evidence or potential into criminals with with with Giuliani and his associates. We can all say definitively. This is not the last That we've heard of this a major court decision. We are waiting for it. It's expected at any minute. It could have a serious impact on the impeachment investigation more on that next. The Black Friday sale is here in Omaha. Omaha steaks has the perfect gift for everyone on your list. Plus exclusive savings for podcast listeners. You'll save big and feel good sending a one hundred percent guaranteed he'd gift. Did you know seventy three percent of Americans say they'd rather get great food than more stuff so when you send Omaha steaks they'll get delicious tender steaks and so much more and you'll know you sent a gift. They'll share remember and love right now during the Omaha steaks. Black Friday sale podcast listeners can get the favourite gift package for sixty nine ninety ninety nine. 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CNN in our politics lead any moment now a DC judge will decide. If former White House counsel Don mcgann must testify in front of Congress about the president is the first major court ruling in the fight between the White House US and house. CNN's Evan joins me now. So if the judge rules in the houses favor what happens acts well it could mean the dumb again will I'll have to at least show up to To answer this a penile right now. He's been fighting for some months Erica this subpoena from the from the house For testimony related the to the to the Muller investigation and so if the trump administration loses in this round with the judge We may still see some appeals but at least it means eventually the Don mcgann could be forced to to show up to answer the subpoena. And and what's the impact then on some of the other witnesses The John Bolton's the Mick Mulvaney set the world world again. If the if the Democrats win this it means that the judge is going to essentially Pierce this Wall that the trump administration is built around all of these witnesses saying that there is absolute immunity. meaning that they don't even have to show up to to to To respond to these subpoenas so it could mean that that That Charles Cover many could means John Bolton may end up in the same place but keep in mind we're talking about months and months Away from now and the Democrats are moving a lot more quickly on this impeachment inquiry as you heard You you know earlier today the The saying that they're going to try to wrap this up in the next couple of weeks and so It may be too late for the impeachment inquiry and just it just reminds us to. Evan what is it that they want to hear from Don mcgann at this point. Well they want to hear what he was what. He testified in all of his his his testimony to the Muller Investigations. A lot of that. We still don't know some of that was in obviously in the Muller report but the but the Democrats want to hear a lot more about what the president was doing to obstruct justice in that investigation according to according to those findings. So that's part of what You know possibly could be part of the impeachment inquiry whether or not The present isn't it is obstructing not only obstructed justice in that investigation but also obstructing congress in the current impeachment inquiry. Evan Perez appreciate it. Thank you Michael Bloomberg jumping into the pack Democratic race with billions and a potentially risky strategy. That could disregard the most important person in the race. Mr Memento. Hey I'm Tom Smells. Join me and channing. Frye on our new show handles from social social media to emerging storylines hottest content the hottest place in the hottest takes. We got it all tune to handle every Wednesday night on NBA TV and in the NBA APP. Hey everyone it's poppy harlow in this week's episode of boss files. A conversation with San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly. She has a remarkable all story of resilience and define the dropped out of high school at fifteen years old works donut shop and then turned it all around to get her. The Steve Day. She is responsible for rafting monitoring polcy. It's an important conversation. You find it fascinating. I did check it out. Subscribe to boss in our twenty twenty league. He's wasting no time except of course for all the time that he's actually lost by now. The newest Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg at his first campaign event today in what money see is not only last minute but a long shot bid for the White House and at the center of the conversation about his chances the former New York mayor dropping thirty seven million dollars and TV the ADS. That are already bombarding the airwaves. So will they work. You know what's interesting is. It's not just the money that's being sent and the TV ads. His camp keeps us. He's not accepting donations right. So we're not talking about any debates here. He's not going to Iowa. He's not going to New Hampshire skipping the early states. Not being on that debate stage. What's what's the message? That that sense of voters I think the message is one of arrogance quite frankly I think he's saying he can just come in because he's got billions of dollars in by his way into the into to a candidacy He's not had to go through the whole series of debates. The other can have gone through. He apparently seem to think there's an opening because I isn't doing as well as he would like. But the reality is seventy five percent of voters in the most recent Gallup poll say. They're actually satisfied with their choices. Compared to ninety two when only forty four percent of Democrats whereas how's everything choices. Democrats ended up electing Bill Clinton. So I don't understand the need for for for my Bloomberg. I don't think his house is supported by the base and I don't think he has much of a chance you hear you Bloomberg's folks will tell you though that they do see an opening here they you know they feel as though he can run in that. Moderate Lane The same lane. Obviously that Biden. Oh I didn't. Buddha judge are running in as well. I think there is a question if outside of New York outside Connecticut outside of New Jersey. How well he's playing in the mid West how well he's playing out in California? I was talking to some folks out there and it was a Bloomberg who question mark so there is that there. But it's very clear that Bloomberg's people we'll see a window here. They've saved they see some weaknesses here and they think they can make a run run for it. It's interesting because we talk about what he's spending on TV ads. And he's been barring the airways I mean he's he's second in spending here and he's just jumping in spending thirty seven million dollars. Second only to Tom Steyer as as we look at this. He's also getting immediate not surprising. Oh but immediate pushback from some of his fellow Democrats. Here's a little bit of that. We do not believe that billionaires have the right to two by elections Bloomberg is making a bet about democracy in July twenty. He doesn't need he he will. He only needs eggs in bags of money. I don't get getting into the race with your spokesperson saying you're getting in because you don't don't like the rest of the candidates is his biggest hurdle at this point his money. I don't think you'd say that. I mean the only reason he were talking about him at all live of course is the fact. That guy has more than fifty billion dollars. I mean you know when when this was first bandied about several months ago alongside. Tom Style and the gentlemen starbucks whose name actually chose his campaign. When that was first being discussed I mean you sort of stop and ask yourself is an older white man who is is extremely wealthy? WHO DEMOCRATS WANNA pick? I don't think the answer that has suddenly become yes. I do think that he's making this conscious choice to say. You know what I am standing aside from the field. Will you know by not taking donations. He doesn't end up on the debate. Stage I think he sees that as advantageous but I also think we have a recent history of a New York City mayor who has decided to forego early states and hope that he would play catch the end and that was really Giuliani in two thousand eight. Who got them all out for him? Not Very well the reality. The reality is in presidential politics. Money is good but writing a check may open the door pressing. The flesh closes the deal. You have to get out there and talk with voters you have to. I think personally should be a console ought ought to run for president. You haven't been to a pork chop at the very fair. You really do need to go out and do that do you see him really. We're looking at this because we were talking brief lane in the break and I know you see people to judge really is a strong candidate in your mind. He's putting himself out. There is a moderate. See really a threat at this point to any candidate Bloomberg I don't I don't say so because what he's doing really he's really showing a contrast between he and Donald Trump and most of the language that he's pushing a hate to break it to him. It's not a binary choice at this point. He's running against a large field of candidates. Some strong moderate candidates Joe Biden Buddha judge and depending on how the the Democratic field wants to go and democratic. Voters wants to go want to go they have they can go far left and far left Kansas of Warren and sanders so they do have a lot of the choices whether or not they have what it takes to take on Donald Trump. I don't know but there are plenty of choices out there and for for Bloomberg to get in here. I think it's it's going to be a a heavy lift. Well we'll be watching it all. Thank you all new video. Just end show thieves in Germany pulling off what may be one of the biggest jewelry heist ever. So you're looking at the video here. You can see the thieves. It's raking into Dresden. Castle smashing glass and the Greenville. They stole some one hundred diamonds and gemstones keep in mind some of these back to the eighteenth century. Some of them are sold. They are literally priceless. They can't be covered by insurance C. N. N.'s. Melissa Bell is live in Dresden. Germany so when these new pictures Melissa we're also getting pictures of some of the jewels. That were Solan. That's right the police tweeting out. Some of those pictures of what have been described as immeasurably valuable pieces of jewelry. You can see on those first Gross Eric just how intricate they are in all. We're hearing that about one hundred treasures were stored in the early hours of the morning. You see that. CCTV act footage to men made their way inside Dresden. Costlier into that green volt now. Initially we'd heard reports of a fire nearby that it'd put out the electrical grid that that has now been specifically linked to this by the police so all the streets all the lights in the street were often the two men made their way in on that. CCTV footage you see them using an ax to get into those windows to get through to jewelry trying to break at sixty six blows. It took to get through and then making their way out in all it took it just a matter of minutes now. How much has been stolen? That's where the big questions we really special Ed. They've said you simply can't put a figure on this. What we're talking about is artifacts and the jewelry that have such historical cultural value that they are quite literally priceless? Any sense to that other people may be involved here now. He said the fire fire was connected. Well when you look at this TV pictures you see two individuals on them. What the police have specifically said is that they believe that there could other people who were involved in that they were looking for an Audi that these two people who left here had made their way away from the scene in that same in car was then found later? burnt-out close by in Dresden. So how they made their escape from there weather. They left the city. These are still unanswered questions tonight. Two or more we're individuals remain on the run. Erica Melissa Bell with the latest dressed in Melissa. Thank you happening right now. A judge about to sentence. The Chinese woman caught breaking into President President. 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A whistleblower. A phone call. A tipping point.

Can He Do That?

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A whistleblower. A phone call. A tipping point.

"For Months Democrats in the US House of Representatives have been considering a drastic historic move an action. That's been set in motion only the three other times in the history of the United States of America. A tug of war has been playing out in the halls of Congress between the parties liberal base and more moderate Democrats over whether or not take serious action against the president's House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi has long resisted such action. You don't bring an indictment where you don't bring impeachment unless you have all the facts the strongest possible case so so that the the president is held accountable one way or another but then last week things started to change wjr congress have been trying to gain access to a whistle blower complaint from someone inside the intelligence community but the acting director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire would not turn over the complaint or offer details about what was in the office of the Director of National Intelligence has until tomorrow Ardo respond to a subpoena issued by the House Intelligence Committee. It's all shrouded in mystery. It's having to do with a whistleblower. Complaint of the House. Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff calls a quote sergent concern and that tension between Congress and the deny was growing when on September Eighteenth The Washington Post first reported what this complaint clean was actually all about tonight. The Washington Post has just broken this news a scoop that suggests that chairman Adam Schiff was onto something. I think the headline is this trump's communications with foreign leader are part of whistleblower complaint that spurred standoff between spy chief and Congress that once slow deliberate decision making that had been unfolding inside the Democratic Caucus of the House of Representatives suddenly again to move very very very quickly. That's where will pick up this extraordinary story the story of how injustice week a whistleblower complaint led the speaker of the House to formally announce a major move the house but open a formal impeachment inquiry into the actions of the president in the United States for the past several months we have been investigating in our committees and litigating in the courts so the house can gather all relevant facts and consider whether to exercise its for Article One powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity approval of the articles of impeachment. This episode is the story of what it sounds like when momentum toward an extraordinary news moment builds to a tipping point and what transpired as the week ends so differently for American politics than it began this can he do that a podcast that explores what's the powers and limitations of the American presidency. I'm Alison Michael. Are you. Have you had enough coffee today. I have not had enough coffee. Today had one at home home. I usually have to at home and one that's Washington Post. National Security reporter Matt's appetite. He's part of the team of reporters who've been following this week's Avalanche News News. I asked him to help me look back on how this huge complicated story unfolded and where it leaves us now as many news developments do it started started slowly with one story and a lot of questions. I think the initial report was this. This complaint was born blind new. We didn't know anything about was about trump. The next step was because the Washington Post reported it was that this was about trump and Ukraine. I think everyone assumed that was trump. Ukraine the president may be an investigation. Shen but then we reported in the Journal reported that this was actually a phone call between the president our president president trump and presidents residents Linski of Ukraine where president trump freshers presidents Alinsky to investigate this matter involving Joe Biden's son essentially go forward with this investigation that would help president trump politically reporting suggested this whistleblower complaint centered around July twenty fifth call between trump and his counterpart in Ukraine and in the call trump press Ukraine's leader to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden Hunter Biden served for five years years on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas company. Joe Biden of course is one of trump's possible challengers the twenty twenty presidential election there with great pressure after this was revealed on the administration to release a transcript of this call calls with foreign leader generally unrelated a process by which a transcript is created and why C. Transcript. There's like a talk to text kind of thing. There's a bunch of note takers. They come up with the dialogues blogs. There's all this pressure on the administration to release a transcript of this. The White House initially doesn't want to do some people including bill bar at the Justice Justice Department feel the opposite way they feel like this call is not so bad and they should just air it out and then there's president trump who is kind of on the side of it's not so bad but he kind of likes the fight also doesn't want to release so that's kind of where we are during the weekend. There's all this internal debate what there's pressure on the administration and then what should we do you with the transcript of this call but that wasn't the only piece of this story circulating heading into this week something else something seemingly related was also also unfolding there were kind of two buckets of essentially military aid to Ukraine totalling about four hundred million dollars and this gets held up kind of right in the week or maybe potentially two weeks leading up to this phone call that president and trump has with presidents alinsky and it's weird so it gets withheld and Congress has already approved this money about four hundred million dollars to go to Ukraine rain. It gets withheld and the bureaucrats in the government. Don't really have a clear sense why it's just like the money's not going over and it should we know. L. Trump had said hold it back and president trump has given mixed messages on why that was it still unclear. I guess s what the real motive was but people are connecting this because this happened just a couple weeks or a week before his phone call with President Alinsky people. We're wondering at least two things related you know was he holding back this aid so he has leverage over president's Alinsky and then maybe he can force him to conduct these investigations since he want him thinking that hey do what I want and this will come your way by Sunday evening. There was one more big development in an exchange with reporters others outside the White House trump to suggest that he did speak to the Ukrainian president about Biden great conversation conversation I had was largely. Congratulatory was largely corruption. All of corruption Vicky play log onto the fact that we don't want people like vice president is in his son creating corrupt it already in the prayed that seeming admission from the president lets him senior. Democrats to revive talks of impeachment. Hearings Democrats have a little bit to work with their. It's not just anonymously sourced news report. Take those are wrong. Prove absolutely right in this case. They have something to work with. Don't have the transcripts the week though was of course just beginning amid this growing controversy trump actually has somewhere to be on Monday at a meeting of United Nations General Assembly Assembly in New York among world leaders on the backdrop of international diplomacy. The president is facing scrutiny over his communications with the leader of a foreign country three keeping in mind the context of the week that was there's been all these revelations and now there's this pressure building on president trump to release the a transcript as he's up in New York doing critical diplomatic functions. There's also a question of what Democrats are going to do with this. You know there's there's been so many scandals even of this. Ilk Right if you in the Mahler report trump presses his attorney general jeff sessions to investigate Hillary Clinton the political opponents so there's this question. How big a deal is this. How is this going to play and there's a great quest among reporters. We gotta get this transcript or we. GotTa gotTA learn more about this transcript by Monday night. A group of Seven Freshman Democrats who have previously been against impeachment decide they don't need to wait for that transcript scrapped to make a decision than these seven. Democrats publish an op-ed saying that they're on board and that feels like a pivotal moment. Maybe feels that way in hindsight like I think everyone was operating pretty cautiously in terms of reporters because Nancy Pelosi is kind of the critical voice here and and she throughout all of these scandals has been like no we're not we're just not going down that road that op Ed from seven Freshman Democrats with credentials in the military defense or intelligence published in the Washington Post it called for an impeachment inquiry into the president that call proved seismic helping remove other wavering Democrats from swing districts off the fence and toward impeachment but that shift wouldn't quite reveal itself until Tuesday so as we begin Tuesday we won we wonder will he released this thing. That is the transcript of the phone. Call with Ukrainian Ukraine president and we're getting conflicting reports. Mike pompeo is still in the camp of don't release this thing. The Justice Department is in the camp of let's. Let's get out ahead of this. I mean they even felt in the week before. Let's get out ahead of this trump as we understand it and of course like it's hard to know what's on his mind and his mind shifts in the moment but as we understand it trump is thinking look. I'm going to drop this thing and it's not going to be the the Big Ballyhoo thing that everyone expects it is. I'm going to embarrass all of these people who reported on this and his thinking is it doesn't show an explicit. Lissette quid pro quo so it doesn't show that I said hey presidents Alinsky. I will release this aid to you. If you do this investigation for me. It doesn't doesn't have a smoking gun like that so president trump as we understand it is thinking this might be a dud but he hasn't made a firm decision so that's where we are kind of trending into into the afternoon and then after days of questions and mounting pressure on both Democrats and the White House all of a sudden things change very quickly. One one is that we report that Speaker Pelosi is going to back an impeachment inquiry and that is huge that is the huge news of the day. She has long resisted that stop and she's now going to do it and the other thing. That happens very very close. President trump says he's going to release a transcript of this call all. I don't think we knew it at the time but he had a conversation with Pelosi and I think he thought I'm going to dissuade her from moving forward. That obviously didn't work shortly after five PM. Pelosi walked into a room full of reporters afternoon and she makes a major announcement therefore today. I'm announcing the House of Representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. I'm directing are six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry. The president must be held accountable. No one is above. What's the law as we spilled into the night. There were still some questions like trump has promises but we didn't know when would land. We didn't know exactly what form there was kind of mixed accounts of whether this was going to be actual dialogue transcript form like it was or if this this was gonna be like description or something there was also this question of the actual whistle blower complaint so the whistle blower complaint we knew do we had reported was based on this phone. Call at least in part on this phone call but we knew that there were other things that wasn't exclusively based on this phone call so now trump is committed to releasing releasing the transcript but the complaint is a little murkier it was unclear whether he was gonna do that so that's sort of where we end the night expecting the rough transcript to come out the next day and wondering what would happen with the actual whistleblower complaint okay so Wednesday morning and we get to read this so described me sort of how you received an original letter what came with it and what you what that experience was like yeah so they released a Brin out of this transcript the blocks of text with you know the speakers names. That's next to them like you would expect the document formulated like a transcript and to my mind. It was sort of more explosive explosive than I had thought it could be. It's true that trump didn't explicitly tie Ukrainian military aid to these Biden investigations. It's true he'd Ukrainian. Military aid never really comes up that said the call starts with trump kind of saying. We've been so good to you. We've been so good to you that Ukrainian president talks about buying a missiles from the US and then president trump. Just sort of instantly only goes in. I need you to do me a favor though and starts talking about these investigations we already knew he had talked about investigations but the one explosive revelations. It's really hit me was that president trump also invoked his own attorney general bill bar. He said to the Ukrainian President Book you gotTa Talk To Bill Bar Bill Borrow help you. If you want to advance these investigations he mentioned the Biden's by name. It wasn't like pursue this corruption case and everyone knows that's Biden he mentioned the Biden's by name he mentioned the weird kind of conspiracy theory but he mentioned Ukraine trying to get a hold of the DNC server that Russia hacked twitch. He seemed to believe is in Ukraine. and having Ukraine help with this investigation into the origins of the special counsel probe I mean it's just assist remarkable very short but like wide ranging conversation and the whole tone is look. We've been good to you. Do you got to help me with this and it ends very importantly. I thought this was particularly notable too with President trump saying his Alinsky look you call me up. You can come to the white often have a meeting sometime. That's important because Alinsky really really wanted something like that. There's never an explicit quid pro quo. Oh and I think trump was hanging his hat on well. There's not an explicit quid pro quo so this is going to be a dud but the whole context of the conversation the fact that we know when this conversation is happening. The aid is kind of hanging out there. It was really remarked. So what don't we know at that point about the context of the entire complaint yeah where we don't know we know that the complaint is bigger than the call though it centered on the call and we don't know to definitively whether the complaint is. GonNa come mount. Two forty five pm Wednesday in our studio with Devon Barrett. When do we expect to see if at all this full complaint I oh I think we'll see it by the end of the week I think they're the White House plan is to put out by the end of the week and three. PM on Nunez just just told the House Chamber that the acting denial transmit the complaint to Congress at or by four PM today throwing out shut it down. Oh my God should undermines the entire episode that interview got overtaken by events and never aired so the next day the acting director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire was going to testify on Capitol Hill so we kind of figured either right right before he testifies maybe right after if the administration are lawmakers want to make it easier on him though I don't know why they would we will see this actual complaint and indeed just minutes before he starts testifying Adam Schiff tweets out a link to the complaint Thursday morning. We finally see this official complaint. Let's let's just walk through the the key takeaways from the complaint overall what's at the heart of it so the call it remains at the heart of the July twenty fifth call and why that's at the heart of it is is that this whistle blower alleges it essentially shows that the president was soliciting foreign interference in the twenty twenty election that he was abusing using his office by asking Ukraine to help him in the twenty twenty election and he knows that from from the call the whistle blower did not hear shear the call wasn't on the call wasn't a note taker for the call but had been told of it by other. White House officials who the whistle blower described as being pretty concerned about this. What does the complaint say about how the White House handled the July twenty fifth call with Ukraine's president well the COM- whistle blower says they handled it quite problematically so by the whistleblowers account which again is not a direct one the whistle blower as hearing this from other officials but by those other ficials account why this call is supposed to be an innocuous kind of courtesy with a foreign leader and therefore it's not going to be classified and just be stored in a normal system but officials lawyers in particular are so alarmed that the president has abused his office that they decide. We can't just keep this in the regular spot to store these things so by the whistle blowers account they move it to this super classified system even though there's nothing in it that necessarily needs to be classified a whistle blowers account. There's nothing thing in that needs to be classified by the whistle blowers account it has moved essentially for political reasons because White House lawyers realize how damaging this could be you to president trump which is that to me is the most remarkable thing in the complaint just based on when it came out so we already knew about the call. We had the transcript of the call so we knew who how bad that was. We had some new descriptions in the whistle blowers complaint about the call. We knew he very forcefully felt. This was inappropriate but the fact that he revealed or new allegation that he revealed was. It's not just that this call happened. It's that this happened in the official record of it is kind of squirrelled away to to a place where nobody is going to be able to get in kind of authorities misused their classification abilities to try to tamp this thing down for political reasons because they know it's going to be bad for trump trump and in this up in an appendix on the complaint which once was classified now declassified at least in part. The whistle blower claims that officials have told him. This wasn't the first time I am something like that happen so according to the complaint where others outside the White House involved in trying to contain the potential damage or was it just White House officials will in terms of trying to contain the potential actual damage that would be White House lawyers but were others outside the White House involved in kind of the wrong doing here. Yes a whistle blower for the thrust of his complaints the call but he puts it in context essentially looking at some public reporting plus details on the call and spelling spelling out how Rudy Giuliani the president's personal lawyer also was agitating for an investigation of the bite and so much of that was public he he was not shy I about talking to any TV anchor news reporter who would listen about how bad biden was in how this needed to be investigated but the whistle blower puts together this kind of remarkable markle chronology some of it based on knows this call was on July twenty fifth but then looking at what Rudy was doing right around those those times also looking and yet how and these aren't people in the White House but how diplomats ambassadors are kind of left scrambling to contain the damage that rudy is doing just to diplomacy so Ukrainian cranium officials aren't really lower account aren't really sure how to handle you know. This is the president's personal lawyer asking them to do these investigations is that like an official all requests from the government they rely on the US for a lot of aid. What do they do so diplomats by the whistle blowers account or having to give Ukrainian officials advice. Here's how to navigate this this just sort of a remarkable thing so there is some outside the government involvement in that respect does the complaint give us more information about trump's use of military aid of the potential schol reward for Zilenski well it goes into the context but it is not brought up on the call so the complainant certainly unle feels that there is kind of pay to play going on here and he doesn't use those with the complaint doesn't use those words exactly but he essentially says like officials officials felt that there was a sort of we're not going to engage with Ukraine. We're not gonNA give Ukraina White House meeting unless they help us with this. That's just this kind of the sense he gets from White House officials and some of that is informed of course by the call but on the call military aid is not explicitly mentioned does bring bring it up in the complaint writes a he's telling an entire story but in some ways that's him waving a lot of different pieces some of them public some of them private together okay. Is there anything else from the complaint. That was notable that you WANNA mention. I I guess I would say so one of the things that is notable about the complainants. He describes this call. He hasn't the call but he gives a remarkably accurate kind of account of it you know even though he hasn't seen it he's able to identify that the president brings up the DNC the N. T. Server in Ukraine and brings up the Biden so he has he does have credible sources. It seems this is not a person who seems to be making up that he's talking to other other officials. He demonstrated that he's talking to officials in the know. Meanwhile while reporters and the public are reading through the complaint Thursday morning Justice Maguire wire the acting director of national intelligence is testifying to Congress about that very completely new solemnly swear or firm that the testimony will give today shall be the truth the the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you so McGuire is the acting director of national intelligence to back up a little bit the whistle blower in this case files his complaint with the Inspector General of the intelligence community and that's what you're supposed to do if you're in the intelligence community and you see possible illegality wrongdoing so he files with the Inspector General of the intelligence community and then there's this process when a whistleblower complaint is urgent that it's shopped off to the intelligence committees in Congress but it that process has it being routed through the acting director of National Intelligence in this case Maguire it it doesn't end up going to Congress it goes from the whistle blower to the inspector general to McGuire and then it's waylaid we now know that Maguire fire had reached out to the White House counsel's office and to the Justice Department and asked. Can I turn this thing over to Congress because it involves a a presidential all conversation you know the president has certain privileges and one is to keep his conversation secrets and McGuire wants vice about that and also this law that requires liars the complaint to be handed over Congress when it is represents an urgent kind of matter it contemplates complaints that are really specific kind of two intelligence concerns and Maguire wasn't sure that this quite fit the bill because essentially the complaint was worried about campaign finance violation violation. What does that have to do with intelligence concerns. The Justice Department ends up issuing a legal opinion that backs him on that that says no this does not. I need to go. This should not go. I think the whistle blower probably would argue what this was an intelligence concern even setting aside the campaign finance violation. What about the story worrying of this on a classified system that clearly seems to be an intelligence maneuver but maguire does not immediately handed over to Congress he does work with the Inspector General and eventually Congress notified that this complaint exists and that's kind of what kicks off everything so Congress is told that this complain exists but Maguire is holding it back from them. They make some noise. The reporting begins but that's why they want. Maguire on the hill to be like what the heck man. Why didn't don't you give us this. give us complaint as you should have and. Democrats have raised particular flags over the fact that Maguire took this to an executive executive branch. People who report to the president went in in and of itself it was a complaint about the president's actions yeah that was really Democrats focus at the hearing so they're peppering Maguire whistleblower complaint to the Inspector General. These are supposed to be kind of independent things that get independent scrutiny. The subject of the complaint is president trump very clearly but the first thing McGuire does take it to White House lawyers. You know president trump not as personal lawyers but lawyers in the office that President Trump leads the the second thing he does is go to the Justice Department office of Legal Counsel which is a little more independent but this justice department in particular is facing criticism for not being independent and additionally bill bar is mentioned in the complaint. The complaint talks about you know the call and talks about how bill bar was said had to be involved in this effort to to press for an investigation. Now we know now having seen the transfer the call because president trump brings them up and bill bar denies is that he he says he didn't even know about this until the complaint kind of makes its way to justice department and he was never asked by President Trump to get in touch with zone ski and investigate this thing so you have the subject of the complaint and I don't know I don't know if you'd call them a witness but another person mentioned in the complaint and those are the two bodies that you go to for advice on this okay so whistleblower from the intelligence community raising flags through his complaint about the president of the United States and then it flowing through this system. That's never ever really quite experienced a complaint like this one before that's at odds with the president of the United States how is that we're putting a test on the Justice Department men in their relationship with Congress and and everything that's around. I think it's exempt for the justice. Department is exacerbating an already extremely frayed relationship so the the Justice Department throughout the trump presidency has really fought congressional requests. They've you know defended the president's various assertions of privileges priveleges. They've prevented people from testifying prevented people from testifying on certain topics. They defended the administration when it has refused to turn over documents that Congress wanted had in here. You have the Justice Department. Who's WHO's really I mean in terms of in the intelligence community can be a peripheral player right like I'm sure most of most complaints that go to the intelligence community inspector general don't necessarily ever touched the Justice Department but this one's just weird enough that it does and again Dan it puts the Justice Department in the position of defending the administration's reluctance to give to Congress so that further strains their relationship with Congress Congress all right at the end of this week. Where does the house stand on an impeachment inquiry well. They're on one I don't think I don't know if this hearing technically counts as like the kickoff to that because I think it was in the works you know before they had formerly announced. The impeachment inquiry began but they're on one. We're also getting into this season where lawmakers occurs aren't in session all that often so we'll see where it goes from here but Nancy Pelosi is on board. They have some critical decisions to make which I don't know if if those will be made in days weeks or months but about what areas they're gonNA make a part of impeachment right so it could be just Ukraine and there's a lot of Democrats feel you like that would be the smartest player that has really resonated so far some of these other issues are deep in the past if you keep it tight and focused maybe that resonates with voters odors but there are these other issues that have cropped up over time like the Muller investigation that maybe you throw in that you know like the president's possible destruction of the Mueller investigation indication. Do you do some articles of impeachment on that so they're on the impeachment inquiry the respective committees that have been doing various investigations of trump after kinda decide what will be a part of this and we'll just kind of see how that plays out so what will have in the coming months presumably is more requests for documents more witnesses more public testimony as they they decide what should be a part of what are you watching for so. I covered the Justice Department so I'm watching to see how this plays as for the Justice Department Democrats one of the things they're interested in is bill bar the attorney general's role in all of this. He's mentioned on the call. He claimed aimed that he didn't really know anything about this until the call was flagged to the Justice permanent certainly never talk with trump about Ukraine investigation but I'm curious what Democrats craft can turn up on his role in deciding if any that president trump shouldn't be charged at that's complaint shouldn't be handed over to Congress. I'm curious to about about some of those explosive assertions in the whistleblower complaint. I'm curious about one in particular that this wasn't the first time that there was some call all where something inappropriate was said and it was moved to the classified system just to hide it like water those other calls you know so that's something we're certainly trying to get to the bottom of all right matt. I'm exhausted. I'm sure you're exhausted. Do you think this is going to continue until we see the end of this impeachment process so boy I mean and certainly we are in a very hot time period right now. This is moved just so remarkably quickly when you think about that first story worry which God I just had to do the date on this. It was only a several weeks ago or a couple of weeks ago that we had that first story that said he was only last tweet that we had the first story that said that this complaint involves the president's Wednesday eight days ago eight days ago. We have the first story on this and now we're in an impeachment inquiry. The Pace hase's been just insane. The last eight days have been just insane. I assume it won't continue like that but but it's GonNa be a you know. It's GONNA be a bumpy couple of month. Buckle up for that Matt. Thank you so much. This has been another episode of can he do that now. This week marks the beginning of an impeachment pitchman inquiry into president trump and now that it's begun. We have a question for you our listeners how interested would you be hearing more frequent. Impeachment news updates here on the show. Let us know what you think tweeting to me at Allison mics or shoot me an email at allison dot Michael's at wash post also to read the full whistleblower complaint and the rough off transcript of the trump zone ski call visit Washington Post Dot Com can he do that is a team effort here. The most it's produced by the heroic Carol Alderman which design help from cat rebel Brooks logo art from the Random Leo and theme music. My Dad owned

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News Brief: Impeachment, India's Citizenship Law, Climate Summit

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11:07 min | 11 months ago

News Brief: Impeachment, India's Citizenship Law, Climate Summit

"For only the third time in. US history. The House is poised to impeach a president. That's right the vote is expected on Wednesday lawmakers are planning for a trial in the Senate after that House members would present their case and senators would service the jury now. Many lawmakers aren't even pretending they're going to keep an open mind Republican Senator Mitch. McConnell promises quote total coordination with the President's defense team and Democratic leader Chuck Schumer wants witnesses to be called. Everybody here is assuming that the house will in fact vote to impeach the president onto this week which will set up the trial January. NPR national political correspondent. Mara Liasson is on the line margin morning. Hi Steve who is it. That Schumer wants to hear a Chuck Schumer has asked for four witnesses. Who have would have direct knowledge of what trump said and did around the holding up of aid to Ukraine and the requests for investigation allegation of the Biden? And these are Mick Mulvaney. The Acting White House Chief of Staff John Bolton the former national security adviser and two other officials the remember Republicans. Publican's complained that during the house. Judiciary Committee hearings. There weren't enough witnesses. That could testify with direct knowledge. Democrat said well sure that's because trump refused to let let any direct witnesses testify. He had kind of blanket. Refusal to honor subpoenas for witnesses and documents. We don't know yet. How Mitch McConnell will respond onto this letter? But we do know that it seemed as though president trump had been accepting the will of Senate Republicans that there'd be no witnesses Mitch. McConnell had one said the calling witnesses this would be quote mutually assured destruction. Oh why would that be. Why well because if you for instance the president wants Hunter Biden and Joe Biden to testify will then you you have to get all these other witnesses? The ones that Chuck Schumer is requesting. And maybe the president doesn't want that could be Could be more than a little awkward for the president who refused used to send witnesses to the house saying it was unfair partisan process to refuse when the chief justice John Roberts is presiding over a trial in a Republican controlled Senate now Mitch McConnell all the Senate. Republican leader promised quote total coordination with the White House which is an unusual thing. I suppose to hear from jury member. another jury member Lindsey Graham Ram of South Carolina told CNN. He's not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here and just in case anybody missed him there he said it again the next day on. CBS let's listen but I think what's best with the countries to get this thing over with. I am clearly made up my mind. I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have disdained for the accusations and the process so so I don't need any witnesses. The president can make a request to call witnesses. They can make a request or call. Mike Pence pompeo and Joe Biden Hunter Biden. I am ready to vote on the underlying articles. I don't really need to hear a lot of witness. Is this unusual. Because Republicans have said all along Democrats had their minds made up have always been looking for impeachment peach mint. I think Lindsey Graham himself may have said that other Republicans certainly have. If that's unfair. Why is it fair for them to say they're totally on the side of the president? I don't think anything being neither decide things. Anything is fair here but even though senators do have to take an oath to give quote impartial justice when they are sworn in as jurors in a Senate trial. Trial doesn't mean that an impeachment trial is going to be impartial. Senators who citizen jury are not the same as a jury in a regular trial because impeachment is a political. Exercise is and I think all Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell are doing saying the quiet part out loud you know. This isn't a jury in a murder trial they don't get picked from a pool and This is a political process. And and that's what you just heard. it it Brings to mind a bit of history that both other presidents to be impeached Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton on the face of it fairly obviously did the things they were accused dove in both cases. Enough senators decided it was not politically wise to to remove them from office right. Martin thanks so much thank you that is NPR national political correspondent Mara Liasson Students in India are protesting new citizenship. Law this is what sounded like last night in New Delhi when police stormed a campus firing tear gas at protesters. These protests started last week in northeast India and they've been spreading the new law that Steve mentioned was passed last week and it offers citizenship citizenship to undocumented migrants who entered India from three neighboring countries Pakistan Afghanistan and Bangladesh but not not if those migrants are Muslim. NPR's Laura unfair whereas been following the story from our bureau in Mumbai either. Lauren Hi Steve. Would you reminded again how this law is supposed to work. Does it specifically say no. Muslims allowed so the laws and amnesty for undocumented migrants from those three countries that you mentioned and to qualify for it you have to have arrived in India before two thousand fifteen and and you have to be a persecuted religious minority so a Buddhist Christian Hindu for example and not a Muslim and this was a key election promise by the Hindu nationalist government of India and the reasoning. The government's reasoning goes something like this. Those three countries are Muslim majority countries where minority faiths might might face discrimination and so India should welcome those people. Okay On the face of it. That sounds like it would be reasonable but clearly protesters see Bias against Muslims here. Yeah they're protesting for a variety of reasons in the diverse northeast of the country. People are worried that these new citizens will change the demographics compete Pete for their jobs. Some of the protests today on college campuses are in solidarity with the students in Delhi that you heard at the top of the segment got roughed up by police ace but then many protesters are marching because they see this law as discriminatory against Muslims because it excludes Muslims from this citizenship offer. And so this it's really goes to the heart of what India is. The Indian constitution defines this country as a secular democracy. But we have a Hindu nationalist government in power. That's increasingly only inserting religion into politics. In fact last night we saw protesters carrying portraits of Mahatma Gandhi. India's freedom leader and so the message there or is this new law to some violates the values of secularism in equal rights. The Gandhi stood for. I WanNa pause to note something you just told us there lawrence. Some people are upset because this law would exclude Muslims. But it sounds like other people are upset because anybody's getting citizenship at all which is interesting to note But this is something that is closely identified. Fight with the with the Hindu nationalist. Prime Minister Narendra Modi. What does he say in defense of this law? Well he tweeted this morning that these protests are deeply distressing and that debate and dissenters are of course part of democracy but he also made a comment at a rally last night. He accused his political rivals of arson. Send that was in reference to a bus. That was set on fire in Delhi but he also said that those behind the violence in these protests can quote be identified by their clothes six and that's a possible reference to Muslim attire. It might seem innocuous but some people are calling that a a dog whistle comment against Muslims. He could be suggesting that anyone one in Muslim dress is suspicious and you have to remember India's one of the world's largest Muslim populations we're talking about one hundred eighty million people and many worry read that Muslims in India are becoming second-class citizens under Modi's hindu-nationalist Government Lauren. Thanks for your insights. I appreciate it. You're welcome to. NPR's Laura unfair history's longest ever United Nations. Climate Conference ended ended yesterday with very little to show for delegates from almost two hundred nations postponed a decision on global carbon markets until next year one thing that became clear in this conference. If it wasn't clear already is that there's a real disagreement between developed and emerging countries on what to do about climate change. UN Secretary General L.. Antonio Gutierrez called the outcome disappointing and he referred to it as a missed opportunity. Let's talk about this more with Colina harasha cough. WHO joins us from Madrid via skype she? Here's politico Europe's climate emissions and energy reporter. Welcome to the program Good Morning. So why why was there. No real deal here at all while you're ready set before it was a it was a difficult cop. I mean you're saying disappointment. All around I think one thing that it showed his first of all all that tackling climate change in reducing emissions is a very difficult thing and the last two weeks you could tell how countries where facing off with each other about how to do that and how much they wanna be required to do that and I think that player usual. Why the last two weeks? So what is the divide that Noel just mentioned between developed and emerging countries. How is it that they see the world differently? Well we need to go back a bit. About what the parents have you ever been really did. The Paris agreement was meant to ensure that every country not just the rich Shen industrialized nations but every country would say yes. We will do something to battle climate change now. The challenge is of course that industrialized nations just like the U. The block the European Union as well as the US and others. They've been driving up emissions over last decades now emerging economies that China India and others. They say well. We'll still growing so let us grown Lewis do our economic development and care for people. Oh they're still saying wait a minute. It's our turn to pollute salute. We get a turn to pollute just like you had no not really because they did agree to the Paris agreement so everybody said yes. We have to fight climate change but now the question is who has to do more to fight it over the next years and that's where the challenge comes in because of course looking at the emissions data and many countries that will drive emissions in the future sure are emerging economies. And so now just as we are on the eve of the Paris Agreement taking force in twenty twenty we see that battle playing out and then of course I global geopolitics and very difficult international environment. Don't help because the UN after all is is a reflection of I mean it's the club of countries and so even climate conference. It's larger politics at play. Of course the United States pulled out of the Paris Agreement and has taken a very different view of climate change the reality of climate change under president trump. How has that affected negotiations? Couldn't you can feel that the. US is no longer her there. as you will remember the the. US is the US in China that corporation before the Paris agreement was crucial with the US. Gun At least. He's like the big administration ambig- administration the muscle being gone. You let countries that are that are WANNA push back they have much more space to maneuver and push back in that something. Anything you saw at this conference thanks so much really appreciate it thank you. That's political Europe's Kalina Arusha cough.

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Rep. Hakeem Jeffries on Your Holiday Witness Wishlist

Impeachment: A Daily Podcast

25:46 min | 11 months ago

Rep. Hakeem Jeffries on Your Holiday Witness Wishlist

"This is impeachment of podcast from WNYC. I'm Brian Mirror. It's Monday December. Second two days from now. The House Judiciary Committee will hold its first. Donald trump impeachment hearing judiciary judiciary chaired by New York City Congressman Jerrold. Nadler is the committee that would right actual articles of impeachment Wednesdays. Witnesses will be scholars of impeachment Peach Mint to discuss its place in the constitution and whether president trump's behavior based on what's known would be the kind of impeachable things the framers had in mind in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight as the Clinton impeachment was starting Lindsey. Graham in a member of the House described the standards according to him so the phone. I'm trying to make is you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines women's that your conduct is a public official is clearly out of bounds on your role. Thank God you did that because costs impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing. The office impeachment. That is about restoring honor and integrity to the office. So those were Lindsey Graham standards in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight to even have to tell you that that they've changed. So what about the Democrats with me now. New York City Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. A member of the House Judiciary Committee and Chair of the House Democratic Caucus Focus which means he is one of the speaker. Pelosi's top deputies congressman. Always good to have you. Thanks for coming on to be on. So you heard Lindsey Graham Standard for the the Clinton impeachment which of course he voted for. It doesn't have to be a crime. It's declined the office. Do you think cleanse. The office is what we're going to hear from the scholars on Wednesday. Not at all. We expect to hear information that relates to the deep-seated concern that the framers of the constitution had connected to protecting the integrity of Democratic Republic. They were particularly concerned With the prospect of foreign interference in our democracy in fact George Washington in his farewell address to the nation in seventeen ninety six spent a significant amount of time talking about that And also expect that we will hear some context for what they envisioned a high crime or misdemeanor. I haven't seen nameless released. The panelists for Wednesday. Can you tell us any now. Get a names haven't been released yet. I expect That chairman Nadler will confer with the committee at some some point later on today and consultation with the Collins the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee and then the names will be jointly released. So do you personally already. We know the names. I'm going to spend some time now congressman on Republican objections to how this setting up and some of the things that are asking the committee for four the Committee Democrats which have yet to be resolved on what we were just talking about the witness list. The Republicans are asking. How can you expect them to prepare are good questions? If you're withholding the witness list known chairman Adler presumably until a day or two before the event it seems seems like you're just trying to make it hard for them to prepare according to the Republicans well Chairman Nadler's just conducting himself consistent with the house rules rules which I believe in this instance requires at least twenty four hours notice. I expect that Chairman Natalie. We'll go beyond that particular house requirement but these are the rules then had been in place when House Republicans were in the majority and so now we hear them complaining. This is all part of a scheme because they cannot defend the indefensible as it relates aides to the substantive charge here which is that Donald Trump presser the foreign government to target an American citizen for political gain and then simultaneously withheld without justification. Three hundred ninety one million dollars in military aid to a vulnerable Ukraine that remains at war with Russ and back except in Crimea that is textbook abuse of power. That is what we're going to explore on Wednesday that undermined America's national security interests and we'll get some understanding as to how the founders might have viewed such aborate behavior so also on how the founders might have viewed this behavior ranking Republican. Doug Collins wrote Nadler Letter asking that if this is GonNa be a panel of impeachment scholars on Wednesday let the Republicans put some scholars of their choice on the panel in addition to the Democratic a democratic parties ones for an intellectually honest debate among experts who might disagree three where trump's behavior falls. Why wouldn't that be fair and right and in the public interest Rules of the House St the Democrats. Because we're in. The majority are empowered to recommend three witnesses and the Republicans on the committee led by Doug Collins because they are in the minority are empowered to recommend one witness. And so I think we're proceeding under the current house rules. Now that said it's my expectation based on prior conversations with the chairman. I'm in amongst the Judiciary Committee That we expect these individuals who are going to be witnesses on the democratic side to be down the middle middle scholars individuals who have not necessarily expressed a partisan political preference in this context? But I'm going to be there just to provide information to the American people as it relates to the impeachment provisions and what the founders intended in terms of presidents so accountability a related objection. Is that after you get past the scholars on Wednesday other witnesses. The Republicans WanNa call are subject to approval by the Democrats. Because you're you're in the majority here is ranking minority member that same Doug Collins on Fox News Sunday saying he wants to call Adam Schiff. He's compared himself in the past to a special counsel this is what he said he was doing. Well if we go back to Clinton and the next morning Clinton Ken Starr was a special counsel. He presented a report that we're going to get his uh-huh judiciary he actually came in and testified under oath and took questions from all sides including the White House. My first and foremost witnesses. Adam Schiff so are you saying no no to calling Adam Schiff and if so what about the analogy that he makes to Ken Starr who was the Special Prosecutor in the Clinton case -pletely -pletely irrelevant analogy Adam. Schiff is the chairman of the Intel Committee. He's a member of Congress duly elected by the people of Southern California. Now it is my expectation tation That the chief counsel to the Intel Committee who is the individual primarily responsible for preparing the report that the intelligence committee will submit to the Judiciary Committee at some point today or tomorrow will likely testify before the House Judiciary Committee as will will the chief lawyer for the Republicans on the Intel Committee as well presumably In connection with either a minority report that they submit to rebut the findings in the report. That's prepared by the Intel Committee process. Still matters right beyond your particular objections to who Hunter Biden who they WANNA call. Alexandra Chalupa Twenty Sixteen Democratic Committee staffer who they WANNA Call Adam chef who they WANNA call your lawyer from Brooklyn who has advocated for fan for defendants. Why should the prosecution ever tell the defense what witnesses it can and cannot call even even when the defendant is Donald Trump? WELL ONE WE WANNA give Donald Trump every opportunity to participate so far he's declined. We want him to submit information to the extent stinted he has some available to him that may provide some explanation as to why he did withhold that three hundred ninety one million dollars every witness that has come forward and cool clothing owning embassador. Taylor has basically said there was no the public policy reason no legitimate national security reasons asking. Why can't they call their witness? Well they have have been able to do that. So for instance on their Republican witness list. Were Ambassador Gordon. Sunland as well as ambassador Volker they both testified and it turns out. They confirmed the wrongdoing. That we alleged took place as a result of the president's conduct an abusive power. Now would we welcome for instance the testimony of Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo who was on the call on of I twenty fifth certainly would we walk them. Testimony of White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney certainly but today the testimony from individuals that presumably could provide exculpatory. Information on the president's behalf has not been forthcoming in fact those witnesses are running and hiding. I think the question is Brian. What are they hiding from the American people? Would you make the steel. We will let you call Hunter Biden and Alexandra Chiluba and maybe Adam Schiff. If you let us call John Bolton and Mulvaney and pump would you make that deal you know would have to be taken under consideration by both Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler and so I don't WanNa get out ahead of either of our to distinguish chairs but in any court proceeding. There is a relevance standard. And the question is if the Republicans are willing to come forward with relevant witnesses Mrs that is allowed but any trial. You can't just present irrelevant witnesses. That may color the information that the jury should be receiving. Because you think that that will prove your case because you don't have any other substantive defense hunter Biden in particular the Republicans would say he is relevant because if they can question him and show that there was something questionable about his behavior which a lot of people think right there was even if it wasn't illegal and even of Joe Biden had nothing to do with it That it would would would establish that. It was reasonable for trump to ask for for an investigation of the company Burris Ma and Hunter Biden as a board member. What would your response to that? But here's the thing And it's an appropriate question Brian but the thing is that the question is was Donald Trump legitimately concerned about corruption. If you look at the readout of July twenty fifth call he mentioned. Rudolph Giuliani specifically three times. Giuliani has nothing to do with diplomatic policy. It's not an ambassador. He's not a member of the diplomatic corps. He's not a State Department employee or the Secretary of State. He's a political hitmen for the president. Giuliani Juliani is mentioned. Three times pompeo is not mentioned at all the word corruption is not mentioned by Donald Trump at all because because he was not concerned about corruption he was concerned with digging up dirt on a potential political opponent who he feared would Joe Biden. We also know that Donald Trump was not concerned about corruption. Because in May trump's defense department wrote Oh to Congress and said the aid is on the way and all necessary preconditions have been met by the new Ukrainian government government including the implementation of anti corruption protocols. That's the trump defense department saying. There are no corruption issues. That should be holding up the aid. Just one more question on this thread and that is why not call their bluff. Like about Adam. Schiff I I think they just want a grievance to talk about because you're denying the request that I don't think they really watch if if is the best there is or one of them at making the case against trump and making it relatable to a lot of the American people and with Hunter Biden if they really drilled down they would see what a bit player he is so why not call their bluff and let them hang themselves. I do agree with you. Brian That this is all a phony argument. They really don't want Adam Schiff to testify. Because that would essentially mean that Devon Nunez would also have to testify Adam Shifts counterpart and we all know that would be a disaster for Donald Trump and the Republican party nobody will embarrass them. More than the ranking member of the Intel Committee. Devin nunes so we just can't take this seriously and even dignify their arguments here. It's all nonsensical. Let's take a phone call Jack in San Francisco. You're on with Congressman Jeffries hijack longtime listener now listening from the West because congressman. What I don't understand about the Hunter Biden issue is it really is a Germain legitimate issue? Isn't there a Senate. Nick Committee that controlled by Republicans could investigate this fully and call whatever witnesses like. That's a very good point. And in fact Lindsey Graham I am has apparently indicated or at least threatening to call Hunter Biden. And so Lindsey Graham so go ahead and do that. Why haven't we seen that happen because they don't really WanNa call hunter by then Before the Congress because they know it will turn out to be a nothing burger. Sorry Bryant used the king's English but I mean at the end of the day This is all phony as it relates to what they really intend to do. In terms of mounting defense France on behalf of Donald Trump Republicans are doing in the Court of public opinion. That your party in your committee just permanently seeking to impeach trump and moving from one thing to another as fits that goal. They're pointing for example to this statement by Chairman Nadler on CNN. Back on August eighth a month month before the Ukraine story broke at all. This is former impeach a impeachment proceedings. We are investigating all the evidence gathering the evidence and we will at the conclusion of this Hopefully by the end of the year Vote to vote Articles impeachment to the House floor. Or we won't. That's a decision that that will have to make that. That's exactly the process we're in right. Now what's your response to the charge that that shows. There's been an impeachment movement in search of a crime. Well the chairman indicated. I think in that statement that he was in the midst of an impeachment investigation to determine whether the cooperation or at least at minimum among the fact that the trump campaign welcomed brushing interference at the highest level and then engaged in multiple acts of trucks and of justice as detailed by Robert Mueller and his investigation whether that was worthy of consideration as a potential high crime or misdemeanor. That is consistent with the judiciary. Committee's mid-east Jurisdiction and so Chairman had simply indicated as he had all along that we're going to look into obstruction of justice. We're GONNA look into abuse of power. We're going to look into the culture of corruption as relates to the trump administration and the president himself as part of the judiciary committee charge. But as you also know Brian Many many of us myself included with very reluctant in the context of taking the formal step of an impeachment inquiry led by Speaker Pelosi. But we were compelled compelled to act because the constitution is at risk and the president's behavior and soliciting foreign interference in twenty twenty election and withholding tax payer dollars dollars as part of a shakedown scheme. Merited us to look into it. We've spent a lot of time in this segment so far on republican objections to the process that the judiciary committee will be working under When these hearings began on Wednesday and I think that what's been fair something as consequential as impeachment hearings should have a lot of scrutiny on the process and the minority in this this case the Republicans should have their voices heard and have these these issues debated I think that's fair? But let's go on now to the content of of what you're likely to do in these hearings at least on Wednesday and Wednesday's hearings and really beyond because the Intel Committee hearings were about one issue illegally asking asking a foreign government for favors to help trump's reelection campaign plus the alleged bribery extortion of Ukraine to pressure them to deliver those favor. Will you hold hearings on topics other than Ukraine expectation that there will be hearings on topics other than Ukraine. But to to the extent that Chairman Nadler receives the information from the Intel Committee. And we'll get that report as I mentioned either at some point today or at some point tomorrow we'll see what the recommendations are connected both to the substantive wrongdoing in terms of the abuse of power that trump engaged in by pressuring Ukrainian government target Joe Biden Hunter Biden but also as chairmanship has indicated he may explore the notion of obstruction of Congress obstruction of a constitutionally inspired impeachment inquiry and that may lead to broader considerations. But I don't want to put the cart before the horse because we have to see what is in chairman shifts report and then I would expect that at some point in the next few days based on account set by Chairman Nadler There would be a public airing of that report presumably before the Judiciary Committee and then chairman airman now learned. The committee will have to make some decisions as to what may be impeachable. Well let me go down a couple of other things or few other things that you might hold impeachment hearings on on toward writing articles of impeachment which it sounds from the answer? You just gave that that you may not. Why wouldn't you hold hearings? On the ten or so. So examples of obstruction or attempted obstruction of justice during the Russia investigation documented by the Mullahs report. That's why I chairman Nadler said publicly in August that an impeachment inquiry was underway in your committee. Well it's an important point. The question is part of the challenge that we faced is the obstruction as it relates to the administration withholding documents withholding information withholding holding facts and discouraging witnesses from participating. So for instance a Don mcgann would be a central witness connected to the obstruction of justice. Detailed tailed in the Muller report volume too but Don mcgann has consistently refused to testify comply with congressional subpoena. And so we're fighting it out in court. We've continued to win at almost every level but ultimately this may have to be resolved by the United States Supreme Court the same miss the case with every other witness connected to the potential obstruction of justice as outlined in volume. Two of them all report so the question is Brian. The we hold the herring in the absence of witnesses. In order to fully fleshed. This thing out in front of the American people want the central witnesses uh we had the central witnesses as it relates to the trump Ukraine scandal. In the context of this situation the witnesses continued to obstruct hide Hyde and off you skate and until we resolved the issue we're limited in what can be presented to the public. You mentioned a few others. Emoluments clause there's violations regarding profiting off the presidency and thereby allowing foreign and domestic interest groups to corruptly by influence allegedly the campaign pain finance violations related to paying hush money to stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal then trying to cover it up by falsifying. His tax returns. Michael Cohen is in prison for that right now. Is You know and he said his boss. Donald trump directed the scheme and the US attorney in New York seems to concur stealing from his own charity already. That was supposed to be veterans and others for things like campaign expenses to get elected president and ten thousand dollar portrait of himself. He actually admitted that in court last month Should I assume that all of those things which imagine if Obama had done any of them could be grounds for articles of impeachment. Are you just going to look past all of that. The Republicans suggested that there was a constitutional crisis because Barack Obama decided to wear a Tan suit by the way. Same Tan. Suit that Ronald Reagan once war And I believe George H W Bush wants war as well. That was the biggest thing thing with Barack Obama's ten no scandal no corruption no convictions. They were outraged that he decided on a summer day to wear a Tan suit. So you're absolutely correct The parade of horrible that you just laid out Would have sent the Republican Party into defcon on one as it relates to allegations and charges and concerns directed. At Barack Obama. We understand that Barack Obama was subjected to an incredible double standard. But we have to deal with. What's in front of us right now? There's certainly reason to believe that. Donald Trump has unleashed and is a one man. Crime Wave sitting any Oval Office at Sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue however as it relates to what we are doing right now we have an instance of an extraordinary abuse of power that he engaged in. We have to July twenty fifth rough transfer we have the whistle blower complaint. We have multiple witnesses who were part of the trump administration and indeed what trump administration appointees who expressed concern with serious wrongdoing that Donald Trump engaged in and we have Mick Mulvaney himself acknowledging publicly. Before the American people they did engage in a quid pro quo as it relates to trying to solicit action from the Ukrainian government. I believe Mick Mulvaney even said get over it right and so we have a mountain of of evidence related to trump's abuse of power in the context of the Ukrainian scandal. And I believe that it is appropriate as the speaker has indicated that we should keep our focus their Sinaloa. Can you update us on the time line at all. You have Wednesday's hearing with scholars of impeachment. What's the next thing after after that and Wendy you see a committee vote on actual articles of impeachment? It's unclear When there will be a committee vote or whether that will be a committee? Vote again we're GONNA try to provide the president with every opportunity to demonstrate his innocence consistent with due process. This is an extraordinary every step that would take it in the context of the impeachment inquiry. And we're doing it With a level of seriousness and solemnity and somber nist at the process requires choirs with doing there prayerfully And so no date has been set for the possible consideration by the committee. But I do think that the likelihood likelihood is once. The report is transmitted from the Intel Committee in the next day. So to the Judiciary Committee subsequent into Wednesday's tearing on high crimes and misdemeanors with the presidential constitutional scholars that the chairman of the Judiciary Committee as likely to schedule a hearing That can bring the report to life for the American people. New York City Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. The leader of the House Democratic Caucus and a member of the Judiciary Committee which opens. It's impeachment hearings on Wednesday. Thank you so much Brian. Thanks so much always a pleasure one more thing before we go. So we're inviting you to write your own article of impeachment go to our website impeachment podcasts Dot Org and you'll see the instructions right one article of impeachment that you think would hold up against president trump later will invite trump defenders to refute your arguments. But if you think you can write one article of impeachment against the President that should hold up go to our website impeachment podcast dot org and you'll see how to submit it impeachment. A daily podcast is excerpted from my live daily radio show which we also invite you to listen to. It's the Brian Lehrer show ten. AM to noon eastern time streaming live than at WNYC dot. Org See you tomorrow.

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John Bolton Casts Shadow Over Trump Impeachment Defense

NPR Politics Podcast

14:04 min | 9 months ago

John Bolton Casts Shadow Over Trump Impeachment Defense

"We are one week away from the Iowa caucuses and this Friday we're going to be live in Des Moines to break down everything you need to know before the big day join us by grabbing a ticket ticket at NPR PRESENTS DOT ORG. Okay here's the show hey there it's NPR politics podcast. It is seven sixteen. PM on Monday. January twenty seven. I'm Hammer Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Kelsey Snell I cover. Congress look like over the Justice Department. The president's legal legal team continues its defense president trump in the Senate impeachment trial. But before we get to that we have to talk about a major plot. Twist that just about about every senator was asked about today. Well just about every senator who was willing to talk to us right every senator who didn't evade you in the hallways of the Capitol so so Ryan tell us what this is. There was this New York Times story that essentially said that the president's former national security adviser John Bolton tune has some things that he would share that would undermine part of the president's defense. That's right John Bolton is writing a book. There's a manuscript that he shared with the National Security Hertie Council and the New York Times says it spoke to people who had reviewed it and what Bolton alleges in this book is that President Trump told him in in August of two thousand nineteen that trump wanted to continue to hold around four hundred million dollars in aid to Ukraine until the Ukrainian government helped in investigations of Democrats including Joe Biden. This is a big deal because it is a first hand witness if this is accurate who could testify that president trump was directly linking the aid to the investigations which is the the central allegation in the abusive power. Article of these is two articles of impeachment. I mean he could be a key witness if they decide to call him in the Senate and and that's what you were asking these senators about today right Kelsey. We were where we were Basically anytime a senator walked by a horde of reporters followed along to ask about Bolton and there was kind of a choose your own adventure way of approaching this there with people. Well who decided that they hadn't read what Bolton had to say it was too knew they needed time to digest it. There was the group of people who said well Bolton didn't say anything that was it's new and we our minds are unchanged and then there was a group of people who said that they were willing to hear from witnesses by in large though the people who outright right committed to wanting to hear from witnesses and potentially wanting to hear from Bolton were people who already said they might want to hear from witnesses and might WanNa hear from Bolton to that would be Mitt. Romney's the Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski's right and you know there are some other people out there who have shown a willingness Nisa to consider the concept of witnesses Or people who wanted to be entirely silent about that because I actually think that is almost more important group to be watching the people who have oh said nothing at all because they are the ones who are most likely to be winnable by either side. So we're talking about Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. I think Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania is another the other one we haven't heard from Rob Portman of Ohio. The list of people who have been silent is long enough that it could tip the balance between witnesses and no witnesses and one one of the reasons that this would matter. Is that a key part of president. Trump's defense is this idea that Democrats have made their case without any based on hearsay without any sort of firsthand account of what the president wanted and they've also insisted that the president wasn't linking the funding to the investigations. This would undermine that the interesting thing is that this big explosive article comes out the night before the arguments and then the president's lawyers go to the Senate chamber to make their arguments and it's as if the article never came out the only tiny glimpse of an acknowledgement came from Jay seculow One of the president's private attorneys. WHO's on the legal team? We deal with transcript evidence we deal with publicly available information. We do not deal with speculation. Allegations News that are not based on evidentiary standards at all and that was it. One D allegations in New York Times story about what might say are not part of the evidentiary trey record at this point in time. So there's no reason for them to really address it And to you know they are going to fight tooth and nail to try to keep anything that Bolton Alton might have to say out of this trial whatsoever they do not want to have to deal with the former national security advisor to the president who would have one on one conversations with him day in and day day out being able to come in and talk about what he knows so one person that we did hear from today is Ken Starr now. He is almost synonymous honest with the impeachment of Bill. Clinton that happened in nine hundred ninety eight and into nineteen ninety nine and he went went up on the Senate floor and essentially argued that cash. There's been too much impeachment. Why quar impeachment is hell or at least presidential impeachment is hell those of us who lived through the Clinton impeachment including members? There's of this body full. Well understand that. A presidential impeachment is tantamount to domestic where thankfully protected by our beloved First Amendment. A war of words a war of ideas but it's filled with acrimony and it divides lights the country like nothing else in his suggestion was that the country needs to get back to their tradition of impeachment. Being something that rarely happens happens. It's the exception. Everything as opposed to every twenty years. There's another impeachment There are people who certainly would be supporters of President Clinton. Who would find that message coming from can start a little rich I? There are certainly people in my inbox them. Democrats than staffers who Have made that point very clearly and very loudly rudy. Juliani was someone who was mentioned by the House. Impeachment managers repeatedly. He is at the center of their case against President Trump. And why what what he was doing was in pursuit of his personal benefit and not the national interest and today the President's legal team address that head on In particular Jane Raskin who was part of President Trump's defense in the Russia investigation And is now part of the defense for impeachment. The house managers the jurors would. Have you believe that. Mr Giuliani is at the center of this controversy. They've anointed him. The proxy villain of the tail the leader of a rogue operation ration- their presentations were filled with ad hominem attacks and name calling cold-blooded political operative political bag man. But I suggest to you that he's front and center in their narrative for one reason and one reason alone to distract from the fact that the evidence it does not support their claims. So what do they say Rudy. Giuliani was doing. She's basically saying that. Giuliani was working. As a defense attorney for his client president to rebut the Muller Investigation and he was not on a dirt digging expedition in Ukraine to try to tarnish. Joe Biden She says the evidence just does not support that interpretation What she's doing in this fifteen minutes though is leaving out a whole bunch of information that would provide a much fuller picture of what it is that rudy was up to? Of course you want your defense attorneys to go out and present the best possible picture and I think that's sort of what we got here. Today was You know almost a reverse image of what. The Democrats have been arguing so basically what we're talking about here is when we're looking at the same general picture of the same set of facts act but it's like looking at photo negatives. One side is arguing. The photo color and the other one is arguing the negative and it's it's it can be a little bit head snapping all right. Let us take take a quick break and when we come back vice president Joe Biden was featured prominently in the arguments today. This message comes from. NPR sponsor the showtime time Docu series the circus get a different perspective on the twenty twenty presidential campaign from hosts John Holloman Alex Wagner and Mark Mckinnon as they go behind the scenes and beyond John the headlines of one of the most important stories of our time. Don't miss the Circus Sundays at eight. Only on showtime. What's it take to start something from nothing? And what does it take to actually build it. I'm Geyer is every week on how I built. This speak with founders behind some of the most inspiring companies in the world. NPR's how I built this. Listen now and we're back and we also heard today from Pam Bondi. She is a longtime longtime booster president. Trump she is the former attorney. General of the State of Florida and her job was to talk about Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter and Barista. That's the gas company that hunter served on the board of and of course Barista Joe Joe Biden Hunter Biden. President trump asked in this now. Notorious phone call asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and and this gas company. They are here saying that the president must be impeached and removed from office for raising a concern. And that's why we have to talk about this. Today they say sham they say baseless because they say this. Because if it's okay for someone to say hey you know what maybe. There's something here worth raising their case crumbles. This was essentially an hour and a half from Trump's defense team pushing all of the allegations that we have heard from Rudy Giuliani For the past year or so they were using the Senate trial of president trump and that stage to put for these allegations once again. And you know I heard from a lot of Democrats who are saying that they weren't aware that A former vice president son was the one on trial in this on today. Oh he he was for an hour and a half. That's for sure and and you saw the president's campaign and the White House tweeting very actively about this particular part part of the argument and and You know at essence what she was saying. What body was saying is like all of this is fair game? Well I mean it's a Joni Ernst who is as a senator from Iowa. Republican senator from Iowa came down during the dinner break and went to this. There's this camera that setup at the base of the escalators that go to the capital And she walked to the camera they was talking to reporters and she said Iowa caucuses our next Monday. And I'm really interested to see how this discussion today. Informs and influences says the Iowa Caucus voters those democratic caucus goers. Will they be supporting the vice president. At this point the goal of this one could be to obviously drag egg biden down in Iowa in his political fortunes Generally but it's also just support this idea that the president was right to ask for the craning government to look into Burri SMA. This is a matter of corruption. The president is interested in corruption. But that doesn't address. The bigger issue of everyone agrees. Corruption is endemic in Ukraine. It is a major problem. Both sides of the aisle will agree on. That and Greece has had some corruption problems in the past exactly but it is unusual for for a president to focus on one particular company in the vast constellation of corrupt companies corruption issues in Ukraine. And that's where the people say. This isn't about corruption. This is about the Biden's I would also say that there's a possible third argument to be made for what she was trying to do here and that was to to give Republicans some ammo when they are having conversations about witnesses to say look at the evidence that Pam Bondi presented. We should be calling. Hunter Biden didn't which gets to probably my last question for today. which is what comes next and Kelsey? Are you hearing talk on the hill of you've possibly a witness trade. There have been some conversations about the concept of trading one Republican witness for one democratic witness having it all wrapped in together and walking onto the floor with that agreement sometime later this week I have also heard very strong rejection of that plan on both sides on the one hand it would appear that having an agreement to say a one for one trade for specific witnesses would be everybody getting what they want but it's also a pretty sure fire way to alienate a whole bunch of people who say if you're a Republican and don't want hear from John Bolton you're not gonNa vote for this deal and if you're a Democrat and you don't want to hear from Hunter Biden you're not gonNa vote for this deal so it's like saying I'm interested in having witnesses but only if I'm have a surefire opportunity unity to kill a vote for witnesses so what comes next is in the immediate future. y'All should listen to up. I are sister podcast. which will tell you you what happened in the rest of tonight's arguments were expecting more arguments from president? Trump's legal team tomorrow and that is a wrap for today. I'm Tamer keep. I covered the White House. I'm on Kelsey Snell I cover Congress Lucas over the Justice Department and thank you for listening to the NPR. Politics podcast AH.

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A Fitting End To A Divisive Year In Politics

The Diane Rehm Show

33:11 min | 11 months ago

A Fitting End To A Divisive Year In Politics

"And why it's Diane on my mind. The House impeached is sitting president for only the third time since our country was founded despite the historic nature among the partisan. Listen vote had been predicted for weeks but the consequences he may have for. The president seemed very uncertain as this does the question of win. Democrats will send the articles of impeachment to this end. So what are the possible possible outcomes. And what could it mean for the president's future what better personnel. Ask Than Susan Page if you was hey today she's suffered six White House administrations. She joins me on our last podcast at the decade to look look back on quite a tumultuous year in Washington Susan Paved here we are the third president in US history to been impeached. What an extraordinary few months? This country country has been through. It's been remarkable. You know it's just been eighty five days between the announcement by Speaker. Nancy Pelosi of of the formal impeachment inquiry in the house. Vote impeaching him to articles of impeachment. As you said just the third president in American history to have this taint paint It is a historic moment and it came really quickly in a way in a way not so quickly. Because we've had investigations of the president trump from the start but the accelerated pace of Ukraine investigation has been one for the history books and the claim aim now is that it was not only rushed but it was there right from day one of his presidency I into that is Republicans her saying it is true that there were some Democrats who wanted to impeach president trump from the day he he was inaugurated however Speaker Pelosi was not one of them. She was very reluctant on impeachment. She held back her most liberal members. I who wanted to impeach the president at the point. That Robert Mueller. The special counsel presented his Report on Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. It was only only with the when it was revealed that the president had encouraged the president of Ukraine to dig up dirt on one of his political rivals that Speaker Pelosi and and more moderate Democrats got on board. So that had it not been for that telephone conversation and the whistle blowers comments. You don't think this would have happened on July twenty fourth. When Robert Muller finished testifying I I think all of us assumed that there was not going to be? The impeachment of the president. Hadn't Miller had not galvanized public opinion. In a way that Pelosi said was necessary a to justify impeachment and then on July twenty fifth on the next day. The president had this conversation with the president of Ukraine If he had not done that. I don't think we'd be here today. I don't think that the president would have been impeached. There's been a lot of speculation about the timing that phone call coming the day after Muller's for report what do you make a then instinctively. I think that it may indicate that the president felt emboldened. And by the end of the Mueller investigation felt empowered to do whatever he wanted felt free to look ahead to the next election Joe Biden was was his and is front runner for the Democratic presidential nomination his most likely opponent and that was the subject of that phone call to to encourage an investigation of Joe Biden and his son Hunter and actions and Joe Biden's actions when Joe Biden was Vice President President So I think that the timing is probably not accidental. There's also some confusion in the minds. I think of many people as to what Joe Biden was doing as vice president about bound the investigation into Ukraine's top lawyer because there a was feeling supported by countries around the world. This guy was a bad actor Joe Biden and while he was vice. President was the Obama. Administration's point person on Ukraine He went to Ukraine and pressured Ukrainian government to address corruption and to get rid of the top investigator gator who was seen as himself corrupt in doing that. He was backed by the Obama Administration and by much of the rest of the Western world by other European leaders. There was a consensus instances that Ukraine had to do something about corruption To become part of the kind of community of Western nations what Joe Biden also did though as vice president was fail to prevent his son from taking a high price contract with a Ukrainian gas company. And it's it's not that either Joe Biden Hundred Biden arc used of wrongdoing in connection with that contract but that is creates definitely a perception problem. Appearances you're into everything. I mean when Republicans ask why did the Ukrainian gas company wants to hire Hunter Biden. It is undeniable that they wanted to do so to get influence with his father. So while there's not an accusation of wrongdoing there is definitely a perception problem a failure to prevent the situation situation. Now that has caused the Biden so much grief is there. Any indication at Hunter Biden approached. His father I while he was vice president and said as I would hope my kid would dad. Do you see anything wrong with this. Do you see Any problems with this so we know that both Joe Biden Hunter Biden say there was never that conversation and of course Hunter Biden's adult. You could argue. He's he's free to make his own decisions. However when you're vice president of the United States there are? I think expectations that you will avoid wrongdoing. Doing in the perception of wrongdoing you'll avoid corruption and the perception of corruption and so the question is should that have proceeded in a different way One Hundred Biden was Hired and I think that even the Biden's if they were speaking honestly I would say yes tell me about Republicans now on this. Sem Peach Mint effort and the vote. Were you at all surprised. At how in lockstep they were during the process I think to surprise me about the Republicans one is that they are totally united. Not a single Republican in. The House voted in favor favor of the articles of impeachment. Not a single Republican. The House voted in favor of the impeachment inquiry even though some of the Republicans in the House a few all of them had expressed concerns about the president's behavior when it came to Ukraine But not even will hurt the Republican from Texas who has at times split with the president on substantive issues at times criticized the president and his retiring from Congress is not running against even he Voted against the articles of impeachment. That was one surprised the price the second surprise about Republicans was what they said during the debate because not a single Republican said. The president is a good man. Who never would have done something wrong Tom? no-one said it's totally okay to do what he did. In the call with Ukraine. What they did was attack the process? They said the process was unfair. They said the president hadn't gotten due due process. They said that the the hearings had been rushed and the whole process had been rushed. They accused Democrats of various things wrongdoing. They raised the issue of Joe Biden and but they did not defend the president's character. Now One how do you who think Susan Collins her vote as the senator from Maine who has apparently been thought by a lot of people who might in fact defect so Susan in Collins is one of those senators that will be watching closely as a Senate debate begins as a Senate. Trial Begins Because she is more moderate Senate Republican Republicans She has at times A few times been willing to buck her party. Although less often than some would think On issues like health care And she is also one of the senators. Republican senators up for reelection next year. Who are come from states were voting to acquit? The president might create political problems. Cory Gardner in Colorado is another one. There are few Republican senators to be watching to see see if they decide to break with the president because they believe it's the right thing to do and also because it may help them politically another. Senator were watching. Has Mitt Romney of Utah Mitt. Romney comes from has incredible standing a former a former governor Massachusetts a former Republican presidential initial nominee from state republican state but a state that has less president trump is less popular than some other red states. Would he be willing to to break with the president. We don't we don't know they're stronger. Prospects of candidates of of office holders on legislators on both sides Republicans and Democrats of of crossing party lines. Then the were in the house and what about Democrats. Nancy Pelosi had some trouble apple keeping all those Democrats together did she. Not You know she Initially there was some dissent in the caucus in the Democratic Caucus Caucus. Because there were there were some moderate members from districts that president trump carried who didn't want impeach the president for a long time. There were members. I wanted to impeach him on a lot of different other issues as well for a long time. But at the end of the day the Democratic Caucus was remarkably unified. You had just to Democrats Kratz vote against the first article of impeachment. Just three Democrats vote against the second article of impeachment when you think that there are thirty one. Democrats who represent districts that trump carried carried that is a lower rate of erosion. And I think most of us expected she also made the point that they didn't whip the vote which means they didn't Deploy the resources of the leadership to tell members how to vote now. It was pretty clear to democratic members of Congress. The Way Nancy Pelosi was hoping they would vote vote but they didn't make it a matter of party loyalty and even so she held almost all of our troops. Now that the vote has been taken to impeach impeach the President Nancy Pelosi has decided to hold the impeachment and not send it forward into the Senate yet. Tell me the thinking behind that and where this idea to hold came from you know I was is covering the impeachment vote for USA Today on on Wednesday. And I was surprised when Nancy Pelosi in the press conferences. She had just after the vote said she wasn't ready to move forward now. We had a clue of that because she hadn't submitted the names of the House. Managers the house members who are going to argue the case present the case At the Senate trial But the idea that she was going to deliberately hold it as a pressure point on Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell two two n setting the rules to go forward she says you know I. I don't know what the rules are GONNA be like. Sorry I can't name the managers if you can't even the managers you can't actually send the impeachment articles to the Senate This is an idea that laurence tribe had talked about in an OP. Ed that had gotten a lot of attention some liberal members of your caucus. It said. They should do this as a pressure. Point some of them suggested they should hold Jim. Clyburn suggested maybe you'd hold them and never send them forward. Maybe he told them if for in perpetuity But we didn't realize it. Nancy Pelosi thought that was a good idea and Yesterday Thursday was at a regular weekly news conference where she talked about this again. She he hasn't drawn a firm line in the sand. She hasn't said I won't send these until this and this and this happened but she. She reiterated that she's going to hold onto to them in. The hopes of encouraging are forcing the Senate majority leader to set clear rules for how the Senate trial will proceed seed of course having Mitch McConnell say at the outset. I'm taking my lead from the White House from The president himself. I mean I as a citizen found that Shanqing should I have been shocked. Don't it was. It was surprising when Mitch McConnell said that he did not see himself as an impartial juror. He saw himself as someone. Who is there to make sure that president trump is acquitted and that is a surprise because we think about this impeachment process? You know none of us. Are that familiar with the impeachment process because this will the third time we'll have had a senate trial but I think the the constitution envisions the Senate as an impartial jury who considers the case presented by the House and for the Senate majority leader who control so much of what will happen in this trial to say say he was not an impartial juror for him to meet repeatedly with officials from the White House to try to figure out what to do going forward. I think did chuck a lot of people. So what does this mean going forward. Do we have any idea whether Nancy Pelosi might actually literally hold onto it and not send it forward if she did that. What would that indicate? What would that mean? Well people the White House officials at the White House are now suggesting that would mean that. The president was never impeached because they they're arguing that the impeachment is act of sending it to the Senate. I think that it is unlikely that Nancy Pelosi will choose to do that. I actually think it is unlikely that Speaker Pelosi is going to delay a long time. You know that we're talking about it. Being a delay delay now but the fact is this is a meaningless delay at the moment because the House and Senate have gotten home for the holidays they come back on January six. Nothing would have happened until January six even even if she had gone ahead and immediately sent the articles of impeachment to the Senate I'm inclined to think that she'll that will look pretty tricky. If she doesn't forward the articles of impeachment she's been trying she's trying to be careful to make this look like not as a political act but as a constitutional one and I think that there will be the risk that she could open herself to a lot of criticism of kind of Of acting in a political way. Do you see Mitch. Rich McConnell giving into any demand whatsoever. So here's the thing Nancy Pelosi Mitch. McConnell are both great poker players. I don't mean actually playing poker I just mean that. They are skilled in this exercise in which they are now engaged in. I don't know how it comes out. But they both have some cards to play and they both have some vulnerabilities as well on this and so I'm inclined inclined to think that they'll reach some kind of accommodation that prompts. Nancy Pelosi to send the articles of impeachment over. But what that comprises. I have no idea and a quick break when we come back more. You're from Susan page. So now we're back. Here's the register. My conversation with Susan page. She's The Washington mirrored he for USA Today and author of the Matriarch Barbara Bush and making a an American dynasty. Stay so just to help us understand what actually happens. Once it gets to this Senate you had the chief justice. It is of this premium court sitting in judgment. Is that the case. Does he say anything. So the constitution solution does provide the chief justice presides over the trial right but it does not give the chief justice. The power to set the rules fifty-one senators get to set the rules rules. Then why is he there at all. Well the constitution calls for him to be there I think it reflects the Gravitas of impeachment. It includes it's the third branch of government in an impeachment process. He also even if he doesn't have the power to set rules. He will have a the authority to speak nick. So if there's something going on that he thinks is wrong he he could speak out about it. I mean he's got soft power in that way but even though he's presiding residing in a way he is not actually in charge. And what about the issue of witnesses he even if Mitch McConnell says we're not calling any witnesses. In behalf of president trump can the Democrats. Let's call witnesses. The Democrats can call witnesses if they can get fifty one votes for calling the witnesses Now that's not impossible you'd need a couple Apple Republicans to come over to just a couple just a couple On the other hand Party disciplines. Been Pretty fierce on this issue but it is possible it is possible for them to call witnesses. It's possible that that won't be allowed. You know th this has been an issue that divided the White House and the Senate majority leader. President trump has said at Lee said publicly that he would like a lot of witnesses. He suggested that maybe they should call. Hunter Biden Joe Biden as witnesses as well Mitch. McConnell has really squashed that idea because he thinks that carries a lot of risks and it might look kind of circus-like and he has I think convinced the white else at least for now that they wanna have no witnesses but this is one more of those things I think you've got to let the process and full before we know for sure whether they're going to be any witnesses genesis or not so. Do you think there is going to be negotiation over this Christmas holiday break. Yes I think there'll be a behind the scenes and effort to reach a deal to break the impasse so that the articles of impeachment go forward I think that that is probably I think probably Democrats and the White House both think that's a good idea Mitch McConnell says. It's fine with him if they never sent him over. I'm not sure that's actually what he thinks. It's so interesting. How this could play out if Mitch McConnell says there will be no witnesses? This is this could be over in one day. Probably not probably not in a day because you have the house gets to present its case ace but it could be over in a week or in two weeks. It could be over by February first. That has been the thinking on until until the until this Till this issue of sending over the articles of impeachment or assumption was that the Senate trial would begin the the second or third week of January and take a week or two. Maybe that slides if they don't if they have some trouble working this out but I think there is every expectation it'll be over early in the year here. Are there any surprises. That could up end this whole process. Yes us the surprises would be. I think the biggest chance of a surprise would-be the disclosure of information that we don't have yet say for instance John Bolton Alton the president's former national security advisers spoke on morning edition more refuse to talk about impeachment. Right say. He decided to speak out about things he saw are the perspective he had on what the president did. That would be something that could be very dramatic in of of course senators often display less party discipline than house members and getting to fifty one votes in the Senate doesn't take that many Republicans to flip to get to that so if you had some really dramatic disclosure that raised questions about the president's fitness for office. It is conceivable that that would have a big effect. And of course I would imagine. That's what Democrats are hoping for in that kind of a public trial. That's one reason and Chuck Schumer. The Democratic Senate leader called for John Bolton to come and testify before them. It's also one reason. Republicans would like to have this over quickly of course and the president would like to have this over quickly as well so that he can claim He his intention. I think is to argue that even though he was impeached impeached by the house he was acquitted by the Senate and therefore his record has been cleared. Susan I have heard some commentators. Commentators expressed view that by this summer. Nobody is going to be talking about impeachment during during the presidential campaign. That it's all GonNa be over done with an outta their minds. What's your view? One of the big surprises prizes has been held set. Public opinion is about impeachment in about the president. You know we've had these dramatic hearings in the House before the Intelligence Committee and then before the Judiciary Committee and it didn't move the needle in any significant way in people's attitudes about impeachment or about President Trump and we did a poll last last week a USA Today Suffolk which we said here are twelve big issues. What's going to be most important in affecting your vote for President in two thousand twenty impeachment was one of those issues it came in at number eleven? The only thing cited less often by Americans as an issue that would affect their vote was transportation and well. I want to remind you which I don't think I really need to do how wrong the polls were her in the last election. I think we should be humble about predicting what is going to happen. In a presidential election and what forces are going to affect people's views before that election I completely agree with you on that. Tell me about the Democrats San where they currently stand in this presidential race. There was a debate. There were just seven Democrats Kratz on the stage. Joe Biden did the best that he has done he was calm. He was straightforward he. He didn't stumble. Does He. Remain the front runner. Joe Biden is the front runner. And he's been a pretty durable for you know he's not in some ways we're in that great a campaign. There have been debates where he didn't he looked kind of flummoxed but he his support has stuck with him and he did look good. He'd spoke well in the debate in in Los Angeles and the fire was mostly directed at P.. Buddha judge that debate because he is now seen as a rising alternative to Joe Biden so he got some criticism. I'm from Amy Klobuchar and also from Elizabeth Warren. I think you'd have to say Biden is not only the front runner. He is a more Significant Front runner. He's more durable for under than we thought. Thought he would be. And that doesn't mean he's going to win the nomination but it means if you're placing bets now you're I bet would be on him mayor Bloomberg. What do you think his chances? Chances are I think it's tough for a Septuagenarian from New York To to burst through and win the Democratic nomination I think he's not a great fit with where the energy is in the Democratic Party. The one thing there to things that give him the possibility so one is. He's got a Tahoe and he's willing to spend the the the other is that Democrats care most of all not about ideology but about defeating president trump next year so if Bloomberg if the former New York mayor is seen as the candidate who is kind of uniquely able to defeat President Trump. Then he's got a great chance at the at the nomination but that is also the argument. That Joe Biden is making and Joe Biden is in many ways A better fit. I think with where the party is now with where the party is is which are the two. Do you think might be able to stand up in a debate with Donald Trump and come out on top. You know they'd be different Bloomberg is a more combative Figure I think Joe Biden is somebody who can get projects kind of software as a rule projects the softer image That's his he's more senatorial. You know how senators as a reasonably cordial in Senate debates. Maybe less so today were a decade ago But so they haven't they have a different style but they're making they're making of courses sources similar point which is at their argument is that president trump has violated democratic norms. Let our country in the wrong direction and that we need to get back back to some Old Ways and old courtesies of doing things and president trump will make the argument that he's been a disruptive influence influence in ways that needed disruption. However it's not so much what I would say but how? President trump trump would conduct himself on that stage I'll never forget watching him. Sort of Stalk Hillary Hillary Clinton you know that Democrats are looking at president. Trump's debate history with Hillary Clinton and also with the Republicans in two thousand sixteen to try to figure out how what is the best approach to us with him is the best approach to like. Try to stay above it. Which I think is what Hillary Clinton tries to do are are you better off punching back hard. I gather you would punch card. I would punch back hard indeed because I also oh thank. He has problems with Wim As an example his comment abound down Debbie Dingle and her husband which I found absolutely outrageous. Talk about what he he said. He was speaking at a rally in Battle Creek Michigan. The stage John Dingell John Dingell state. That's right and he said that he hadn't gotten appropriate credit for actions. He took when John Dingell di John Dingell the longest serving member of Congress in the history of our country and he he made derogatory comment about Debbie Dingle looks and then he suggested that he said that in a conversation he had with. Debbie dingle were Debbie Dingle thanked him for allowing flagstaff staff. When John Dingle died said that John Her husband would have been so pleased looking looking down meaning looking down from heaven and he said at this rally that maybe John Dinger would be looking up meaning looking up from? Hell and Debbie Dingle responded. She said that it was very hurtful. She said she's approaching the first Christmas without her husband The love of her life and she said something should be off limits and on that I think she has gotten broad support including including from at least one Republican House member from Michigan and I heard the number four ranking Democrat in the the house Been Released Hawn doing an interview with MSNBC where he said that he thought the reaction of Michiganders I would be such that. Donald Trump had made it more likely he would lose Michigan next year. She won which he wanted which is one of are those handful of Midwestern states the determined the outcome of the two thousand sixteen election looking back sues new and I have been friends friends and colleagues for so many years. Could you have imagined the two thousand nineteen would Heb. EBB ended up this way. You know I think about When I went to journalism school the things I never thought I would cover the nine eleven attacks A tide presidential election in two thousand and impeachment of Bill Clinton and now covering a second presidential impeachment impeachment at a time our country seems to be ripped apart. It is not something I ever thought I would cover. We've seen you know we've seen times when our country has had strife Strife and tension and demonstrations in assassinations. I I just feel like this has gotten to be the worst It is I. I think a perilous And I worry I worry about the future of our country. What is it that words you most? I worry that we've lost an ability to both talk to each other and listen to one another when I go to cover events I I'm struck doc. By how Americans love their country How devoted Americans are to the constitution? But they have very different visions about what it means to say. You love America and it's like it's something we need to be able to talk about to have our democracy survive and dawn that note. I want to wish you happy holidays. You need a holiday after all this and I wish all the the best for you and our country in the new year and I and I would say in response that the ability to talk to and listen listen to people with other points of view has been a hallmark of your entire career so happy holidays thank you for today. We'll have a couple of special holiday. We broadcast for you over the next couple of weeks. So look for those in your podcast feed. You can also find us on facebook and twitter or send an email l. d. our podcast at W. Amu dot org. 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Hard Factor 1/16: Another "Bombshell" In The Impeachment Of Trump, Putin Gonna Putin, Fools Who Work At Schools, Pranking Horny Komodo Dragons & More!

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Hard Factor 1/16: Another "Bombshell" In The Impeachment Of Trump, Putin Gonna Putin, Fools Who Work At Schools, Pranking Horny Komodo Dragons & More!

"Would it is Joe Man Randy savage. This factor in there is no one that does it better now but it does it better myself go ahead tell me something right down a movie phone. Ah Go man. Welcome episode of our factor presented by Barstool News Network. It is Thursday a January sixteenth. Twenty twenty I think And as you guys predicted this is will and I've lost my voice again at an Lsu game mm-hmm but it wasn't my fault like you predicted as well. The team needed the cheers. Saw the first half but then you guys took it away. After the cheering he sounded like coach. Joe Tried to give that good morning. I feel like I feel like coaches punched me in the throat about fifty times after four days in new world user character Parsi Marlboro. Yeah right exactly nicely by the Marlborough man you you you had the most important part is you had a great time correct. That's right that's that's that's it was. It was fantastic so I made some other notes about what I missed on the POD so I listened to the pods that I missed surprise. Guys Zero Fistfights in New Orleans and non ninety one. No it was just a magical weekend. Clemson fans weren't really. They weren't throwing down on a fisticuffs or talking. That much shift from what I saw it was mad. I wrote a love letter blog coach. Check that out Also the idea you guys of the guy you guys had of the guide telling people. The impossible burger is so good that he wants someone to fuck him in the ass with it. That should definitely be made into a sketch azure. Yeah Yeah I the like that cool. It's an emotion. Done great suggestion love that the moms were like acting like that's what it sounded like. They're gonNA tizzy over the word. Damn West starring starring in it. Yeah Yeah I'll start. Why not? Yeah and I'll be the hand you'll shut shovel perjury. No Not Burger meat. Let me see cheeks up his ass possible possible burgers. I take that back. Yeah Yeah like tube up impossible burgers finally video of West being attacked by a pit bull could probably probably be arranged by uncle chaps. Just putting that out there. It's true in one. One personal fact check. I thought Dolemite was an amazing movie. Yeah come on a uh all right today. We've got PAT on Ukraine's last trump impeachment updates and a lightning rod of other topics including Russian government. Mandates Education Man is election madness. Get Get us going. Pat Good to have you back well. Lev Parnasse Giuliani Rudy Guiliani associated. Whose name sounds like a disease you would catch from swimming near sewage? Didn't interview you got left. Parnasse God bacchus left Corner. Keep going. He's one of the two hilarious looking businesses associates crack right. Yes is one of the two foreign born. He's like the least hilarious of the two looking. Yeah he he's he he needs to Go to it's terrible. And he was looking to do and he didn't interview with Rachel Maddow last night where he indicated indicated that quote president trump knew exactly what was going on and this is in relation to the alleged conspiracy to withhold funding from Ukraine in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden. This is the big news at the explicity. Saudi new information love looking so I know what I know. Yeah just listen. I'm so the prices okay. So a little background lev. He works with Giuliani. Marcus I said and He and his partner eager were arrested back in October. Eleven Gourmet and dynamic do arrested back in October at Dulles International Airport with one way tickets Outta America in hand and they were charged with campaign finance violations for using a shell company to donate like three hundred twenty five k.. To a pack a Little Action Committee that supports warzones trump With specific interest in Advancing a Ukrainian government officials interest and a Russian national seeking debris of the canvas industry. So you can't do. That can't take foreign money. Give it to a pack and asks for foreign favors it's illegals these guys got arrested at Dulles airport nothing new trump on that one though. No that theoretically you know trump had no idea besides the money going to his back he was going to his packet and trump as you may remember indicated that he was concerned about corruption related to Ukrainian meddling thing in the two thousand sixteen election. And he's denied anything related to quid pro quo. That had to do with Joe Biden or his Hunter Biden energy company. He was on on the board for some reason. He has along with the Ukrainian president right but as lev going to say otherwise otherwise. So here's what left made it pretty clear. He said quote it was all about Joe Biden Hunter Biden and also rudy had a personal thing with the manafort stuff rudy course. He went on to to quote say president trump knew exactly what was going on so trump in the past has made it clear that he does not know let he doesn't know this love guy saying quote. I don't don't know them. I don't know about but there there. There have been photographs released for months that prove otherwise golf together. They've been in business meetings and airports and whatever together take care. That's been disproven for a long time just pointing it out to giving you a little context background. There's been seven seven photographs with Lebanese trump. So labs lawyers. They turned over a number verve documents and text messages to house impeachment investigators. So essentially this is what spurred the interview. Lev has all this stuff. He gave to the house impeachment. Investigators then he did the man our interview In in that that those documents were a ladder from Giuliani on Giuliani's letterhead to Ukrainian presidents alinsky requesting a private meeting on behalf of trump And the letter came one day after. Giuliani like an idiot told the New York Times. He was travelling to Ukraine to find out information about Biden's work for breeze. Ma The energy company. Okay so he implicated that trump new and he said that he talked with Rudy Giuliani. Four or five times a week or all the time they were hanging and that he said he heard trump on the phone with Juliani when he was talking to Giuliani. Sometimes on speakerphone. Sometimes you could just hear him screaming in the background. But it's basically the only thing this does was would be to to make Giuliani me half to start talking about this type of stuff but the Senate's not even potentially going to ask anyone to test them now they get to decide and they're not aiding. Yeah they're yeah. They're not going to the Republican controlled. They're not going to. Here's the deal. The reason this shit's coming out and it looks fucking bad. And yes I is it a bombshell I I don't know but it is the first person coming out saying hey I was there and yes it was about by getting dirt on Biden's nothing else walk so that hurt him. Yeah right I think one one good way to tell. If it's a bombshell or not is to look outs affecting predict it and so far. It took impeachment. Yes From nine cents or sorry removal. Oh considered configuring cents to twelve cents. Yes but I'm watching it. Being shorted live fifteen. I'm buying now if it gets a fifteen cents. Let's see what happens happens and What's it called? That's point because the Wall Street Journal just wrote an article this week that said that predicted is a much better way of indicating. What's going to happen politics then pulse polls and media? Yeah the happens in like on gambling guy. Amblin politics to have you know this. But the whole reason prediction markets markets exist is for that specific reason. That usually don't deal with real money. So the prediction mark was created by statistician. Ninety percent. At doesn't fuck it's crowdsourcing crowdsourcing the opinion. This isn't going to do anything but we'll see so anyway. Obviously all this stuff is getting this past cocaine Mitch. Because he's got his hands hands all over the trial. Yesterday the House executed the final steps impeaching Donald Trump by voting to approve seven impeachment managers that Nancy Pelosi put forward and by sending the two articles of impeachment to the Senate yes seven people walk down the hall like reservoir dogs style hardcore like like. Yeah yeah this is. Is there super delivering the articles. All those nights not getting laid not getting invited a party. They make a hype video. That's what I'm saying. Reservoir dogs style. Yeah you know what I'm talking about the senior reservoir dogs along anyway so yeah. The the articles beat went to the Senate and the trial kind and it will start today So beginning today the senators are on the clock So the trial will be presided over by chief justice. John G Roberts Junior who's of Supreme Court Justice prostheses the chief justice he's a Bush appointee After the judge in the senator sworn in Senate rules dictate that president trump must be summoned and given time to answer the charges charges against him and the summoning apparently will take place like via letter by career. It's like real old school shit so they're gonNA give them a ladder psalm and the summoning could take a couple of days. Probably you know what I was thinking of. I don't think reservoir dogs. What's the what's the Vince? Vaughn and Jon Favreau the swing swing not only got mark. Swinger scene is yeah toward both like that. That's not says he's Malaysia. In terms of what the travel look at like guys. It's still up in the air as you guys alluded to They don't know whether or not they're even going to allow witnesses to be called in for testimony. Republicans are still debating that but These documents which are being widely covered by the media were released specifically By the House Intelligence Committee to pressure pressure the Republicans to allow witnesses to come through right. Yeah Essentially Berry. It's a him. Well we'll see we'll see a lot. A lot of Republican senators are coming forward saying like. Hey maybe we should allow witnesses. I don't even think if rudy was a witness would change you need sixty seven percent of the Republican controlled controlled sentences fucking. Vote them out. I don't think anything's GonNa vote them out with the Senate but I would like to see rudy test. Well let's talk about that too. Pelosi is no Aaron Rodgers. I'm telling you that on the Hail Mary. Oh yeah the Hail Mary go real quick and I'll wrap it up on that point. Giuliani would be the shit as a witness and this fucking much watch. TV But Jerry. Giuliani Johny denied. His subpoena from the House Intelligence Committee said no I will not now if the Senate were were to call him in. This is what's really interesting former national security advisor. John Bolton said about Rudy's potential testimony it would be quote a hand grenade who's going to blow everybody up fucking believe. Guess what we they get subpoenaed or not look at Rudy Giuliani to be doing the press rounds tomorrow or the next day like a fucking it. Giving more information about his client does not need to. And that's that story all right guys here's some actual actual news bad news the world. This is bad. News for the entire world The entire Russian government resigned on Wednesday. Right the the entire thing the entire Russian Russian government resigned owens prime minister Dmitry Medvedev. And they're doing it because and here's the bad news part well. Putin is about to implement major changes to Russia that many think will increase long-term powers basically making him emperor for Life G. He's GonNa be like G. G. I. China China's but I don't think it's g From China that impressed him I think he went and saw the new star. Wars and saw emperor palpitations return and got got lit up and I can be Emperor Base whatever inspires. You need to do this like this even worried about it. This is my closing argument. Okay thought is exactly my thought. That's what's what's with the dog and punish yeah. Yeah he doesn't he's he's GonNa be forever anyway. Using joke was like he could be his traditional role. Could be confetti maker and he's pulling all the strings ah shut up like that though where he has a figurehead he could be let into fall guy and and and will he does swap places with the prime minister. He's done it before we're going to do it right. But what's really interesting is that the Russian government structure must be so fucked up in the first place that instead of fighting what Putin's trying to do like we do in the United States with checks and balances this is the entire government now. Well do you WANNA get murdered so Putin. Thank the Government Point Putin government for their service but said Hey Not Everything worked out so sorry Putin Putin added that in the near future he would meet with each member of the cabinet to kill them with poison. No he didn't he didn't smile and say that last part but he will have someone else do that he wants to get. He's billionaire you. Don't get your hands changes. Basically this guy. He's saying he's making he's going to do. Constitutional amendments is that will make the president which Putin currently is have significantly less power going forward and give basically all of the power to parliament and the prime minister Because guess what Putin's second-term coming up to an end soon couple years now. Two Thousand Twenty Four. I think And that's the term so instead of changing the term limits like some people like to do he said. Why don't we give all the power to prime minister which guess what he's going to probably going to be in two thousand twelve full rhyme prime minister winners? Do you have any more powerful than the president's winners run government. He's a sneaky anyway of instead of doing the term limit things. He's just going to be the new prime minister which is ten times more powerful with no term limit with no with no term while this year Russian citizen like drink vodka. I don't think there's anything. Drink Vodka Topi a journalist now ex prime minister Medvedev also said It's obvious that we as the government should provide the president of our country with the opportunity to make all the decisions necessary for this and in these conditions. I believe that it will be right. In accordance with section one seventeen in the constitution pushing for the government to resign so section one seventeen says the government can resign and the president can either accept or reject the resignation Putin accept. It has already applying got a new prime minister. He's GONNA appoint an entire new government of his choosing running around the parliament. Florida to sit and all the chairs shirtless except resigned ran for their lives. According to an article I read while researching the story political annals Dmitry Dmitry Babich said things that the government resigned at the behest of Putin. So he's probably he's probably right and he's certainly dead. Don't drink from any glasses or handle any mayor going to the Babich household muscled anytime soon because that reporter is speaking out on. What's actually happening? I mean why the dog and pony show like really talked about Blake. Why does he have to do all of this fucking shenanigans? Yes keep just keep doing what you do. Well I'm just curious how he well he may have done some manipulation in the past that we're not so where to get them to this point in the first place he's just right. Yeah probably all empowerment. Yeah like those power that hate shirts anyways Putin Putin nothing changes now basically similarly. Did you think Putin was going to be gone all of a sudden now. He's so powerful that every single person that government immediately quit and they're like just don't kill it. This is what I don't get a billionaire. I would not want a job. I wouldn't want a job man. You get power hungry. I think you would get power your commune guy. You WanNa have you WANNA Have Communist following pretty. I'm pretty sure you'd be you. You're influenced position you'd be doing the same ship every everyone out. Okay all right is. Let's let's change it up since we last chatted about the twenty twenty election on the pod. We've had a democratic debate in Iowa that witness a whole lot of stuttering especially from Biden enclosed char in a gigantic beef sparked between Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders by CNN on purpose. It seemed like I just want to say I missed that last night. We're talking about in cash that until you guys didn't see that. Yeah that was the end. But then the reporter she goes Bernie is like I didn't say that and the report is like Okay Liz. When he told you that she endured that he definitely did lie right? And so yeah it's a CNN. Basically started this beef like on purpose purpose Can you explain to those people listening. Probably don't understand okay. Yeah Yeah. So so Bernie it was said by Liz. Warren that Bernie told her the woman couldn't win the presidency. Asli and Bernie denies saying that well the the CNN anchor. She goes well. Liz when you told that to Bernie what did he he say back implying that because Liz said it's true and he said it's not but because Liz set it it is true point out that the the the The confirmation Chenoweth from Liz's camp with the cooperation of people was through. CNN exclusive article so nice CNN had their hands. All over this Bernie. Denying saying altogether is a backhander way of calling. Liz Liar was worn. Yeah and I think this falls right in line because CNN to me. Seems like a extremely the agenda driven say it but then Warren came up to Bernie right and said you call it at the end. That's what sparked the beat and they're like. Oh no you're lying I'm line. Hi Bob this is the right time to do this and she was like you call me a liar. He goes then. Let's do it right now. Yes Lot selfie stick right underhand YEP so thank CNN for starting that and there was two other people there Mayor Pete and a billionaire named style. I guess we're okay. If it even matters it matters what you guys think Yeah I mean star. Shouldn't have been there. They shouldn't got into the last day mayor Pete Valiant effort but he's he's pretty much out out of the race I think at this point The the predicted market had Bernie losing the election by he lost. It's already settled. He lost the debate settled on Wednesday Because he had a long way to fall which was what I was advising he just had a big surge. When you're it was about from what you're pulling out on basically Monday to what you're pulling on Wednesday and I- vise people right advise people not to pick star because he was pulling two percents? Okay he could only draw. Two Percent Bernie was pulling it like twenty nine percent on Monday. Yeah Delete Delete Drop Warren. Warren was Called the winner on on the on that same deal on the same mark. She was called the winner by CNN. But NOT DONALD TRUMP WHO Made Fun of them for this whole thing. So that was pretty funny Let's talk about how that affects the predicted markets actually As you know I think most of the people on the show in the general election or holding trump Bernie mostly anybody have anything besides those two for the general. What are you saying? You said trump old trump birdie holding previously gotten out. So I don't. I don't currently have any money in. Who's going to win the election general election about I would probably put money on trump at a coin? Toss right now if I were to put money in anything and He's trying to get fifty cents. That's and that's about that's about it because I don't know if Biden burn is gonNA pull it out. Yeah well anyways since this debate was about Iowa let's get back to islands this debate impact of the markets as you said Ed Sanders was in the lead coming in And basically the only change was biden. Moved up a little bit further into second place and then sanders moved moved to tie with Buddha judge for third in Iowa still burning forty four cents Biden thirty three Cents Buddha Judge Eighteen and warren thirteen. But I mean you. You know that's pretty much. They're still huge odds I'm still not sold on the clear favourite. Nio You guys taking a flyer on any of these people I saw the polls I would. I would take Biden Denial New Hampshire probably take Bernie. But I would take Biden an Iowa. It doesn't matter if Biden's GonNa get cleared because he's too old and can't talk right once you get by why now I will actions eighteen days away patent. There's no debates in between I think Biden is gonNA take those stutters. Were horrible awful. They're about yeah. I mean you got to look at the how many old people in Iowa I guess. That's the the deal boomers and I also think Char's might be some sort of illness or disorder. We got time. That's why I mentioned last tonight. Give me credit for light. And it's a Scotch and soda to Scotch and Sodas we know well and dentures barely keep. Those things in Bern New Hampshire like mark mentioned even though is up to fifty five substance and in Nevada. You're going to have to wait for the next election blog. Twenty twenty to drop for that one probably next week. In the meantime go to predict it dot org slash that's promo slash hard factor. Twenty two. I twenty bucks matched on us in the stock market of politics. Let's all make some money this election year. Yes yes all right guys. This is The first one in new series. I am dubbing fools who work at schools. It's a very clever clever title. I know a lot of pressure on this story. Not really actually. After that title. That can be a lot of. And that's I loved it so the the first one When you guys think of rainbows what's the first thing that comes to mind gay pride? Okay I was gonNA say like the actual rainbow outside. It's a good feeling like looks a rainstorm ending. Okay well PAT was right. When Whitfield Academy of Louisville a private Christian in school in Louisville things rainbows day only think of one thing those deviant homosexuals and their symbol of evil the dreaded Gay Pride Rainbow? It's simple so when one student Kayla Kenny posted an image of herself celebrating her fifteenth birthday wearing a shirt with a rainbow on it while she he was smiling in front of a rainbow cake. The school head. The head of school Bruce Jacobson nearly lost his mind actually take it back. He did lose his mind and immediately expelled. A young Kayla from the Whitfield Academy for a continued breach of the school's code of conduct saying quote the picture demonstrates a posture of morality and Cultural Acceptance Acceptance Contrary to the school's philosophy. This tells you two things Kentucky's backwards and Bruce's gay so can you can you recap what happened Here's here's here's like basically right you can go ahead. Girl had a birthday fifteenth birthday she had a rainbow colored cake and there was another rainbow theme in in and then her mom on her instagram. Her Mom put a picture up on our personal instagram. The school went to her. Mom's personal grams all the pictures and expelled her. Yup just for where the ray-ban because sooner house they assumed that young Kayla is promoting homosexuality and may herself be less so she wasn't tongue deepen the sally on the she's not. She's not in the in the bathroom making out with a girl screams. She's celebrating her fifteenth fucking birthdays ridiculous. Yeah so You know a million Christian private school they all believe that homosexuals are centers. Go to hell schoolhouse. Some some verbiage will to not get sued that says they can't they can They can refuse based off of sexual preference. They can refuse people Taylor Lord but the law argument would be. How can they tell this off of contracted for being idiots like on the podcast right? Yeah exactly this loser ridiculous. -tection there're backwards. They're they're stupid school sucks. The principal sucks and yeah fuck. I guaranteed bruises had his mouth. Yeah but anyway so back hoe shop one in Johnson. Maybe he'll get expelled from principal. A little too close for for comfort for Bruce so back in the school met with the The the this bruce starting account this is definitely they put a bunch of pictures of fun. Boy I thought I got far. Enough Away Whitfield Christian Academy Louisville Kentucky Official Instagram the guy so schools dismissal as Marx. Had not come without warning. Apparently back in the school met with the The family An alleged Serbians parents and told them that the promotion celebration or any other actions and attitudes counter to the counter. WHITFIELD's fucked up. Philosophy would not be tolerated also in that meeting according to Kayla's mom I'm Kim Alford. Who is appealing the dismissal? The school said they would help. Kayla's parents guide the youth through this situation as they refer to it so rainbow sweater sweater. The situation may be homosexual. Who knows bruce every centers within you know? I'm not gay rights. You might just be fifteen in love rainbow. She might be fifteen celebrating her birthday with fucking cake. Yes they're are saying yes. The MOM said like how can you prove based off this fucking cake colors right that she's a lesbian and also like the mom said she didn't even more more. Don't put your lesbian daughter in this shit. Fuck school public schools could suck there. Yeah the mom also said that she didn't request rainbow came from the bakery requested a floral org design of various colors. It just turned out to look like a game. Daughters probably a lesbian the schools. I can't say that word so AIDS twenty twenty POW all black blackout. Where you're talking about? It's not GonNa do it out. The school. Says it was unfortunate that her mother decided to post does the internal family photo on social media. Not sure what the fuck else you're supposed to post a proud parent showing a picture of your daughter Fifteenth Birthday but it seems what would feel thinks they have no choice choice now like Oh God damn it. Well you have to expel her now. Everyone knows for Fox say thinking about it Think about if your son your son's in athlete and runs a little gay Campos those pictures again. Take a guarantee you a few girls the school slim. KAYLA'S DM so she's GonNa get some dates out of the rate that's good tackling go get K- go to a better school and it was a terrible school. Yeah so we're on we're on Kayla's side absolutely all right. I've got another pretty serious one for you here. This one was written by Listener Bidet it's up Beata Data Ralph Northam. Who is Virginia's governor? Rock face Ralph him one of his name and the Lieutenant Governor for Government Government Virginia in our home state. Exactly He well he declared a state of emergency on Wednesday. This is anticipation anticipation of lobby. You did you guys know what lobby days. Now I don't know it is a pro-gun rally at the state capital enrichment doesn't sound like anything's to wrong. So far right right well shift your thought because because the outright is taking control the rally to return to central I tried to put a bunch of keyboard terms in there. I got delete. Let me help you out here in Charlotte. Virginia is an hour from Richmond. Yes yes it's part of the CHARLOTTESVILLE rally so seriously seriously though according to what North Calls Credible intelligence from law enforcement until Bunch of Non Virginians are planning to come armed to this event and they intend to storm the capital capital To to rally against recent gun control legislation that gun control legislation. Virginia's there's GonNa be requirements. I guess now for background checks for all gun purchases. They're restricting handgun purchases to one per month. You can only get one per month. They're letting let her arms. From specific events and government different buildings like the state capital which is like the whole purpose of this rally to bring guns the state capital which band out and allow police temporarily take away from individuals legally considered entered a risk to themselves or let me say something here and I'm I'm a gun guy you want to him. Don't don't these mother. fuckers understand the structure of our government. It's like state's rights. You live in a state you vote for your state government. They make decisions. On behalf of your state I think bullshit going into another state to fucking protests with other states if it's happening in your state get your protests. I thought what across state lines one of if not the main purpose of being able to own guns is to protect yourself from the government not to go proactively the attack the government not supposed to supposed to bring your the war not with the delicious. Imagine imagine this is actually just completely the wrong way of using go if the government is completely out of control. But I don't think that's the case. They're not restricting to one handgun a month and I'm taking away shit. How are you supposed was to feed the beast on a month? The rally is being put on by the Virginia citizens. Defense League which sounds like a group of people that don't like to hear your side of a debate Some people some people promoting the event online or calling this event great opportunity for a Bogu which is apparently a far-right term for violence that can spark revolution. So they're just calling for violence. That's it sounds way way. Better than what it was. Glued those that like death. COMP- data beatings. I thought it was. I thought it was a very white Johnson Thirties. We'll get a little bit of background. Boo Glue is a genus of Latin music and dance which is probably the United States in the nineteen sixties but mark. It's actually for civil war right as revolution the civil war exactly And several militias plan on attending this event as well I I would imagine becoming a part of militias. Got To be a big life decision right. I'm GonNa do this well. The chew militia last resort. You don't find a militia militia finds you man that's true maybe born into do it like last resort You guys are all in on it but like pat mentioned this. I WANNA hang. Sounds like another Charlottesville. Audible Situation Apparently some of the prominent figures from the unite the right rally which was shot so rally Will be in attendance in Richmond decision. Day fucking lawyers which is taking place on January twentieth so remember that Some some poor girl died you going back out leaders of the alright now. They can't pat weapons. Weapons are banned on the state capitol grounds by the way. Richmond obviously is the state capital Virginia for those that don't know so instead of no weapons on capitol grounds on Monday. It's going to be thousands. There's a police with weapons and even more pro gun people with guns so plenty guns on the capitol grounds on Monday. If you live in Richmond Virginia and you work anywhere anywhere near the capital. Take Monday but before you do that over to double tees and get some barbecue and maybe the pay per meal after that Mr T.. Teaches you how to do the double grip. Yeah Man. Those are two richmond like establishments. Those were great. We did my birthday six years in a row doubled. Let me show you how to do those. There's a big biggest. Let's kick it over to probably somewhere in the South Pacific. Where Komodo dragons from this is from listener at ill Murray forty two on twitter twitter? A new BBC series called spy in the wild to nine. They take super expensive camera equipment and stuff it inside of fake AAC like animals to be set out in the wild for that show McCoy's brands around for a while. Awesome though it's like a fake branch fake animal or whatever they sit out in the wild than they they get the footage Well this whole series. Hit a little snag on the Komodo Dragon Episode. Because you see they put all this Fancy film in equipment side to fake animals. One was a fake female. Komodo Dragon L. here. Another another was a fake pig now through a one fake pig. Yeah just I out really attractive female Komodo dragon very colorful and a fake pig. The best and she couldn't move through it all sitting beep. uh-huh slightly twitched her back. I don't think so. They then set those two out in an area where a a bunch of Horny male Komodo dragons were patrolling. During mating season. I get lens got so you wouldn't you. A bunch of forty male. Almost dinosaurs. Were not thrilled with a fake female when they couldn't mate with it and so they got very angry. Yeah it's like Chris Farley with the folger's originals exactly exactly it's fake Colombian copies. Scotch Lizards started ripping the shit out of both the big female bystander. Fake pig because they were so enraged with their giant claws and they just torp both of them just reds and left too good to be true. It really has a problem album with hunting. I'm surprised they up the BBC's Adam forgiving blue balls to so many Komodo dragons know shipping can someone's got to get back their milk those dragons. The word I'm sure they took it out on the real female dragons to yeah no no one would not want to be the next real female. It didn't seem to lock it. Just call up the entire gang over this one's real over here fellas. What's happening now? You're going to really have to show me that you're into this. Last one was a a dead fish. That guy's got fired. Shell show the footage as they say. It's still going to be a good series though. So yes the wild to you do that spy in the wild to the if the if the whole footage is the crew trying to wrestle the cameras away from him. It's a motive behind the scenes is the only thing that's going to save that for real that camouflage will never know all right guys story two from full else who work at schools all right so guys. Suzy was assaulted in an alley. And is the victim of rape and the police collected a sample of sperm. That was left at this crime scene and now have three suspects in custody. which suspect raped suzy? Don't you can't get the answer. The question based on just information you would also also need to see the key displayed into the question. If you guys want to take a look at a real quick I pasted it and therefore you just to give you an idea of fucking questions so basically You would often the key to the the guys are looking at. We'll post it so basically what it is it's a it's like a DNA DNA samples so there's lines in in various sequences randomly. And you have to match up which which of the suspects s one s two s three matches the felon DNA samples of different way. I need to know if this is criminology. School or is biology in a public school in Klein Collins High School in Houston Tex. Different ask this will would be There are potential essential relatives of of a non balance. This is this in Quantico. No no this is in ninth grade public high school the school and it was given to ninety. Hi Ninety ninth graders so of course. The parents were absolutely furious. That more on biology teacher. Put this question on a test. But that suzy's were mad to and of course the school district is saying they will investigate and likely fire. The complete idiot. Thought this was a good idea but in my opinion the parents should be more upset. About how easy this the question is it's actually a visual match question. Like which two of these. What's the same what's the same? What's the same my my fourth grader would would laugh at this question? You'll be like yeah that clearly one of Susie no brain so uh-huh parents real concern here should not be. Children are being exposed as inappropriate question but their kids are getting absolutely worthless education or or concerned about the guy that wrote the fucking question. Yeah there's a problem I mean clearly. The only reason this question exists for the more onto like forced the aspect into the test And Hey teacher. I've got a question if you put put an inappropriate question on one test and have ninety fourteen to fifteen year olds. Take that test. What are the chances you get snitched on and fired? The one hundred percent careers the problem. Here's the problem. The teacher either is so fucking lazy and negligent that they copy and pasted a question without reading it or they put it in a way not good. Yeah you can't either way either way they're fucked like you could just be a big fan. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly. What's the teacher Feature Olympia Benson? He's an idiot he's needed so I got a couple Going to the Internet Bing Bing Bing says attention Dr Christine Blair Ford. SUSIE has evidence. She didn't rely on some baseless accusations from forty years ago. No proof or witnesses. Suzy also reported here right away. This is why we can't go on the Internet. Yeah that's a terrible Internet common full of this threat on Fox News. You see in Richmond. Best comment to thirty five said I'd have to say us one so he must obviously suspect was able to match the felon matching also clearly. The school thinks that once. You're a Felon Ellen you will also be a rapist eventually. So you know it's it's interesting. It's an interesting question. Was the teacher. The only way this teachers get fired for name was susie about her cry for help and she knows you do. It's like a thirty year old suit in Dean or or something you ever heard of a cold case kids. Yeah so that's That's new series. We'll maybe bringing more of these. You Know Idiots who work in schools and stories because there's a lot of them out there and that's going to do for iheart factor tune in tomorrow for our favorite day of the week. Florida man Friday. Keep sending us your stories. We appreciate them reminder. We have a voice mail now for your questions. Comments ends praise. 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Urgent Concern: This Unambiguously Constitutes an Impeachable Offense

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29:47 min | 1 year ago

Urgent Concern: This Unambiguously Constitutes an Impeachable Offense

"Did you to ask the Ukraine investigate. Joe Biden no actually I didn't I asked to Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of twenty sixteen by by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton for wish they were already never ending anything about Hunter Biden. You never ask anything about Giovanni thing I asked about Joe. Biden is is to get to the bottom of how it was that Sankoh who was appointed dismissed the case against anti you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe by of course I did. Did you just said you didn't they shouldn't even have information. I've had conversations with many leaders that always appropriate. Mr Atkinson wrote I set forth the reasons for my concluding that the subject matter involved in the complainants disclosure not only falls within the jurisdiction but relates to one of the most significant and important of denies responsibilities to the American people hello and welcome to trump castle asked I'm Virginia Heffernan. We rarely do the trump cast but today we have some breaking news about the whistle blower Ukraine Donald Trump impeachable offenses story three and we have the perfect person to talk about it. Susan Hennessy of Brookings and law fair and we're just going to get straight to it. Welcome to trump how Susan thank you for for having me. I think you were on with my colleague Jacob Weisberg at some point but I don't think you and I have ever done this show together. So it's a privilege we have not. This is all of my twitter. Dreams are coming coming. True listeners ears and I don't know what to call these circumstances that are coming to work coming together under. I don't know this is an emergency or if it's just Friday but I gotTa Talk to you about this whistleblower situation. I think this is the day that we talked to you. Talk to me and we both talked to listeners as if we're all ten because I still don't totally get this story the chronology August twelfth. Something thing happens what was that thing and then take me to the president he has. I'M GONNA go back even further than August twelfth explain to listeners but there are two different the whistle blower laws that exist and so one with alert law applies to just regular person on the US government might kind of episode of waste fraud or abuse they want to basically paddle on the people they work for and so there's a process available to them in a set of legal protections that say hey if you do it in this way. If you follow this process you cannot not be retaliated against for this complaint rate. Nobody can fire you for for blowing the whistle. that doesn't work the the intelligence community is expressly. Gresley excluded from that law because of course they deal with classified information so they can't use the ordinary whistleblowing process he is because they have special obligations to keep things secrets because because they don't always know what's happening right whenever you're talking about whistling in the context of the intelligence community well you're you're saying just one little piece of the picture you're not seeing everything and so just makes it a little bit more of a fraud process. It's really really important. Having these channels a really important we can talk about that later but it's just a it's a different contracts and so a separate logs awesome. It's called the icy whistle blowers protection act and so what does if you are a member of the United States intelligence community or actually any person who sees abuse related to an intelligence activity and you want to on this and you think it's I think it's a concern what you can do is you can go to the inspector general other Arabica Agency or the Inspector General of the intelligence community the person who sits over all the person. We're talking about here. you transmit your complaints in a secure way to the inspector general the inspectors. I know reviews that complaint and then sector makes a determination about point sunny says one. Is this complaint credible so do I believe that this really happened to isn't an urgent concern. Say urgent concern here. We don't just mean like is it urgent in the colloquial sense. There's actually a specific statutory. Definition Sergent concern means that it is a serious and I don't have the language right in front of me so I'm paraphrasing here. It's a serious or flagrant abuse. you know within by you. We're elated to intelligence activity. There's there's there's a series of sort of things that bring it with them. The definition I mean there are a couple of different different definitions but but this is the relevant one here that you know is it a serious series abuse is it related to to intelligence exit and then the law says okay if the Inspector General Determined but it's supposed credible and it is an urgent concern. Here's what the inspector general those next he transmits that to his boss the director of National Intelligence Remember Inspector Generals and the directors of agencies there. There's there's some independence there right we we want an inspector general to be able to tell on their bosses but that's another story but he transmitted up to deny deny then has seven days to to transmit dot complaint to Congress to the intelligence committees of Congress along with any additional note now. The law doesn't say the D. N. I will transmit that complaints are Congress seven days later unless he really doesn't want to or unless he doesn't agree with the sector unless president of the United States told talk to there's no provision in the law. It basically is just a ministerial function. It's right the Aegean. The person gets to make this decision once they make determination. All your job is did take a look at it and hits that why is that step even built in then. Why didn't this up to the eye yeah because you don't want information tend to be going to Congress in a way that's outside sort of the the chain of the Intel of the intelligence community system right so it's important sensitive information is going to be turned over to a a body outside of of the intelligence community. They want to understand what's happening. Appointing here isn't to hide things and again. When the I G transmits this complaint point they take steps to protect the identity of the person who's blowing so they get the complained substance complaint but they don't know who it and deny might wanNA lightly redact or otherwise trimmer or consult with the I g about specific details right because the DNA is going to have his own interests. The intelligence community has its own interests trusts. There actually isn't a provision that allows the DNA to ultra just has to transmit it no one I can provide additional comments right so the DNA takes a look at it and because look I understand the ID came to this conclusion. I disagree or I think you should understand that that's where I think. This is additional context you need to understand or maybe I'm requesting crusting limited distribution of the complaint. I only want the gang of eight members of Congress to see you know that kind of thing but but the idea here is no congress is is the overseers here. The American people can not know what's happening in this context so congress fans in the shoes American people and so they need to see the full substance of this complaint. There's even another provision of the law that if the whistle blower thinks that the I G I if the I G determines. It's not an urgent concern more. The whistle blower doesn't believe that the I g has the fully communicated his his or her comes into Congress the that person can then go to the inspector general and can ask to be put in touch with Congress directly and they are entitled to it directly communicate the substance of their complaints though there's no part of the Lubbock contemplates the executive branch is in any way allowed to prevent information from coming out and in fact it says that if this person feels like the full scope of their complete hasn't made it to Congress. They get to tell their own story themselves. Got It so that's how it's supposed to work mark how it's worked for twenty one years but this has been on on the books and there's never been an issue so what happened for the very first time a few weeks ago is that somebody submitted the complaint on August twelfth. The inspector general made a determination saying that this is an urgent credible concern member inspector intelligence community is a trump administration appointee not political appointees nominated by president trump personally not the deep state bureaucracy he took a look at that and he said well this is an urgent credible concern congress this any any Sunday up to the DNA now. Keep in mind at this time the deny this is the period of time. Dan Coats is resigning. We don't know Sue Gordon is GONNA stay. She is getting out of her position. There's from so a lot of happening at the top that's not to suggest it's related but just for some context of what's going on and the attorney and the deny the acting. Dna I I basically takes a look of a complaint and something about the substance of the complaints made him say i WanNa talk to DOJ about this which is itself unusual when I heard that little bits. We thought what's going on we can. We can come back to this in a minute but I actually think the revelation involve. The president's phone calls start to make us understand right. He gets those complaints about the president's phone. He's got some questions until he brings in. DOJ regardless he gets to the end of the week and he doesn't transmit the complaints to Congress. Which is what the law requires again. You do not get to decide what laws you obey. If you're in the executive branch. The president doesn't get to decide Luzio base. The law says you have to send us a day does congressional leadership Adam Schiff. When does he get tipped off to the existence of the whistle blower on the edge report exactly so we get to the end of this week the Geez that has not been submitted and at that point the I G reaches out to Adam Schiff directly to the committee he's and says hey I need you to know I sent a complaint a week ago. The week is an you have not seen that complaint. I'm just letting you know so at this point. Adam Schiff comes back he writes he asked the knife additional information the deny informed him that he was consulting when DOJ and that he does not intend to transmit the complaint at this time at which point I think rather reasonably Adam Schiff goes ballistic writes this letter that we've all seen this public letter pointing and demanding with this complaint be produced I and so at this point. It's pretty clear there was like a serious process issue going on there. Is something really going on here. This is not the way it's supposed is to work. DOJ is not supposed to be involved here the DNA has told chef but he's been struck by a higher authority weirdest term in the world our ultimate authority to not comply anti says that he's not complying because there is a privilege issue so as soon as you see the White House asserting privilege issue and you hear that a cabinet member has been instructed by a higher authority not many higher authorities and executive branch. Your spidey sense goes off that wow we're talking about the president uh of the United States or somebody very close to him so there were a lot of indicators but there's something really bad and going in terms of process There's some indicators of this. This goes really really high up in the administration. There's nobody knew about the substance of complaints there. Is this really interesting thing to witness. Witness going on among legal minds like your own. which is you all just seem to be shuttering at this almost worse than as the Russia's stuff was leaking? You know your colleague Ben. WINDASS did one of his Canon booms with this thing signaling that it's one of the steps in a revelation revelations is about the president that will be you know kind of lethal to his tenure there or something like that. I'm not exactly sure what the boom signify but I. I'm a big big fan of them and also you know there are people like Lake Matt Miller who comments on the law and made me Rocca just and you just saying shudder like this is really bad and to I think to people outside that it might look like this kind of procedural glitch. It doesn't quite look like the firing of Komi but maybe you can tell us why this is especially serious he has. I think people already started to get a sense that there was something really wrong going on just on the the process foul because whenever you've participated in the system you realize like a really really important rule is being broken here and that's a big deal and but nobody knew knew what it was about and so that's why this. Washington Post reporting came out that said actually involves a call between the president of the United States we now know the leader of Decrane gene and it involves a promise the president made to that foreign leader and remember the whoever whatever that promise was somebody in the intelligence community heard about breath holding Inspector General Inspector General determined that it was a serious an urgent concern that it represented a serious or flagrant abuse. It's related to an intelligence activity. He's double down on that position so whatever it was. We're not just talking about you know He. He wasn't appropriate or there. Was the issue dude. This is someone saying they believe there's a violation of law or the constitution going on here and we have multiple people who've made that determination and now we see the executive branch going all in and saying saying well. This is the president's communications with a foreign leader. This is the heart and core of executive privilege so a little bit funny that not twenty four hours earlier they'd been and making this ridiculous argument about Corey Lewandowski being covered by executive privilege because now we're actually dealing with an issue that really is at the core of executive privilege the president's communications mutations with foreign leaders and and we have this principle that we don't want other branches to be able to compel that information from the White House because the president needs flexibility he needs to be able to like make deals and and have these conversations without being worried about his political opponents breathing down his neck otherwise you won't be able to conduct foreign affairs but Komo as you point out his political opponents are not the not the either the whistleblower and especially not the not the I g that those are you you know the ideas his appointee as you say it's not as though Adam Schiff somehow overheard stuff in a meeting that trump had with whoever and blew the whistle on it. It could be for partisan purposes. It's internally they're coming forward with this so it's that he should be able to make deals not only free of partisan rancor but the free of any kind of oversight right and executive privilege doesn't exist so that the president can violate the law and constitution. He's not allowed to do do that and so what the executive branch is arguing effectively right now is that you cannot blow the whistle on the president no matter what this person heard on this phone call and we can talk about what the substance of that might have been. It doesn't matter that person is not allowed to provide that information to Congress. We have never heard an an argument like this before. The closest. We've come is the argument that Richard Nixon made shortly before he was impeached from office and so you think the the reason why you're seeing people's hair on fire is one the substance of concerns. You know we aren't talking about you. Know someone who like is a political little animal. That's looking to sort of June up trouble for the president talking about you know an intelligence community employees you know someone who is senior enough to be going into the the White House and coming back to their home agency the met her nose. You know how sensitive intelligence information is knows what these conversations can sound like you know and understands the consequences of whistleblowing and as much of lying is you know we we want to say these laws and rules protect people. It's a very serious. Stop Anybody who decides to blow the whistle understands that there could there could be very very serious career inefficacious for them you know and so this is someone we should. We should understand how important and what a big step this is that somebody isn't taking Caprivi frivolously and people above this person agree with our judgment they saw whatever he showed that we now know that it's a male and agreed right and agreed this is a big problem in Congress needs to know and so now we're all set up for a big and pretty disturbing fight that has really profound implications for congressional congressional oversight for separation of powers in not to mention the president made a promise to somebody on a phone call but made multiple people in the executive branch believe committed a crime or violated the constitution and there's some reasons to sort of speculate on what might be. That's a really really big deal and the government of Ukraine knows what he said. Other participants will not call know what happened so let's talk about what we know about that call because when we first so shifts letter there was speculation that he had talked to a head of state. I mean not speculation we knew he had talked to a head of state or possibly heads heads of state and done something that raised this urgent concern but now we know at least part of the story has to do with Ukraine so tell us that part so we have in this is from reporting so not not yet confirmed by the idea anyone else. I'm the reporting that the conversation involved a communication with the president of Ukraine rain man named Villains Scape and the specifics of what this was has not yet been reported but the fact the timing of the call and the identity the individual has led people to believe that it might involve trump potentially withholding two hundred and fifty million dollars of military aid to Ukraine rain in exchange or in an effort to get Ukraine to essentially target you need for a corruption eruption for over or for a criminal investigation the son of Vice President Joe Biden Hunter Biden now. I think it's really important that we note there is no oh evidence to support these claims of underlying corruption or that. Joe Biden has done anything wrong here. This really is a figment of the right wing media ecosystem and of the president's nation but they've actually been doing this in public for a while. I'm Rudy Giuliani essentially admitted last night on CNN under colorful fashion that he and this had been previously reported. I'm he hasn't been attempting to privately pressure the government of Ukraine to I to investigate Hunter Biden and and and the and there had been reporting the president had also been a sort of waging miss campaign. He's been tweeting about it. you know this is all connected to basically an effort to get a foreign country to investigate the P- the family members of political opponents in order to benefit trump in the upcoming election so this is like imagine if we saw the Russia you know lost their roofs but like way at the beginning and it was all happening out in public and it was the president saying hey come on in and helped me win this election that were until last time time we he say it works out for us. I worked out from my son. He said he'd do it again. Bar has been careful not to take any steps to prevent it from happening again and it's happening getting again. What can we should be clear. We are speculating we don't yet know for sure I'm what exactly this sort of promise might have been or exchanged mine of Ben and whether or not it really was tied two hundred Biden whether or not it really was tied to you know this offer of the president has been holding back this two hundred fifty a million dollar of aid that has been appropriated and and I think sort of the the worst case scenario where people are imagining might have happened but we don't yet know is whether or not the president basically we said he would release this aid in exchange and so again there are public pieces but let's sort of take that on its face for one minute while caveat. We're speculating if the president really did this if the president said that he was going to refuse to give congressionally authorizing funding foreign countries in order to force that foreign country to investigate one of his political opponents earth shattering is a tax spokane peachable offended like I like you I mean when you're at a loss for words then and we know it's bad like you just look of radio silence when you confront this an absolutely right and also as usual with anything to do with Ukraine or anything thing to do with these this you know making these deals to crush political opponents it brings to mind the entire strategy of Ukraine and former Soviet states in elections the in particular Yata Kovic and man and manafort conspiring to crush Yulia Tymoshenko and just time and time again. This is the thing you do you. You don't campaign out in the open. You like I know you try to get dirt. You try to try to make your opponent look like a monster oster and you know what Giuliani said last night in his very strange way is that he feels house like I mean. He seems to feel quite persecuted. The same way Lou Douse Goldfields the media's unkind to him so I'm going to do this back and he really Giuliani. Donnie seems to have convinced himself that you know the deck had been stacked for Hillary Clinton and now you know that Biden Hunter Biden are these like depraved profiteers and it's just it's through the looking glass to hear them talk about how they broke so bad. Had these guys like they really are living in some kind of alternate universe you know. I think you're being generous so actually okay. I don't believe that Rudy Giuliani who really believes that this happened. I believe he really believes hunter. Biden engaged in corruption. I don't think he really believes the Joe. Biden somehow use his influence or something in the records suggest but I think they know exactly what they're doing. I think they are. You know if that's what if that is indeed indeed what has happened here. you know. I don't think they had that I think the idea that you mark sending sort of be. The benefit of the doubt of you. People actually really believe this. I I think that's being to fair to them. I think that this is quite calculated and and it's why it's so chilling and that we mean to be calculated confront. My you know clearly. I have some kind of identification with Giuliani that I need to tell you about but no. You're absolutely right good. You've brought let me back online of course this is Giuliani saying last night to Cuomo that he is a defense lawyer. You know he didn't say he's a prosecutor. He's very proud of being defense lawyer. It's it's true I mean did Robert Shapiro think. OJ Didn't do it now so he's you know he's just he's throwing things out there. I just find his brain like Corey Lewandowski brain so frayed if that I am trying anything to make something add up I mean he's doing this thing pro. Bono for Donald Trump and it incredibly dangerous to him. He's even worried that his tombstone is going to say all he did was lie for Donald Trump. I mean he just looks like someone on absolute tilt but that's obvious so I'm excited to be able to say this to there is breaking news right now so the Wall Street Journal has just reported that trump repeatedly pressured Ukraine to investigate biting son. I made it appears that they are recording their reporting thing about president trump and in July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic President Joe Biden's son earning urgings alinsky about eight times times to work with Judi Giuliani has personal wire on a pro according to people familiar with the matter so there it is wow so we've moved from speculation to something beyond speculation how many times it says eight times on a single phone call so again. We're we're learning missing real-time Virginia. Just bring the listener's experience yeah this is the confirmation of I think sort of the the worst fears you know look. This is an attempt to in and I'm I'm. I'm I'm paraphrasing my colleague Benjamin Windows who really great thoughtful people and that's on welfare. Just this afternoon called the witness. I'm with lower some thoughts. I'm actually he put it so well. I'm actually just going to read what he said. this allegation if true and again we now learn it is true or at least according to the Wall Street Journal unambiguously concentrated impeachable offense in indeed enough ends up positively demands teacher from any congress that which should be taken wishes to be taken seriously it would be a teachable for at least three separate reasons first because is it would involve the extortion of a foreign leader for personal and political gain second because that would involve the solicitation of a foreign government involvement in a US election and third because because it would involve the solicitation of a foreign governments investigation of a political opponent in a fashion that grossly violates the civil liberties of a US person namely Biden's son so I think that actually really sums it up in in a pretty chilling way that is what they said this is true devastating and green angel offense and it is the kind of offense that if it doesn't spur impeachments we're going to have to ask serious questions about the future of the United States president saying because we have this we give the president and the as the executive in Hamilton's vision this tremendous power and authority and sort of ability to to act in and unilateral ways and we tell ourselves but it's okay because we have a check for this and the check for this is the other branches of government and the check for this impeachment and to not impeach or something like this would be a statement that this is not impeachable conduct and I already think about about steaming is utterly damaging when you make it in the context of the Russia investigation and what was found in the Muller reports this is black and white. There is a transcript of this call somewhere. There is a tape of this call somewhere it is just astonishing and so that brings us to I think the peril of the moments which is if the executive branch asserts this you know ah I don't even have a word with sort of Bush Zarley over this view of executive privilege encompassing all things all the time everywhere recoiling that's because when he's never even been on the government this transcript the ability of a whistle blower just absolutely everything and Congress doesn't have the tools to break that logjam and to prevent the stonewalling actually take action and an active branch and were in the realm of sort of lengthy litigation. I want more take on on and I I bet your phones now ringing off the hook from TV. Is there any move where the I g just goes to chef or the whistle blower just goes to the shift yeah so I think this is important that that we actually make this point which is but yes the the whistler could still go directly a congress on the inspector general go directly to Congress so the executive privilege argument here you know if you violate executive privilege or or or or fail to comply with the executive branches Interpretation Executive Privilege You don't go to jail but they can fire you right. So if you don't go through the whistleblowing channel you could get fired for that now. Business classified information so anyone who was blowing the whistle or or sort of acting in the space would want to be really really careful. They'd WanNa make sure they were speaking only to appropriate members of Congress in a classified space and that they were careful on the handling of this although at this point the nature the the complaint on the front page of every newspaper in the United States of America so you know hard to argue for the robust a bus to production of versus the methods know exactly what it is but this person is allowed to go directly and they there's no sort of an I've tried to come up with a hypothetical cool. I don't see any way that they would end up being prosecuted for that or there's even a plausible argument that it's a crime although anyone should control council before you make that particular decision but in one way that this might be resolved is that the I g might just say enough is enough with alarm. I just say enough is enough. I'm GONNA go forward. I'm going to tell how Congress Destroy Myself that said now that there is such a specific allegation you know I. I don't see how the White House can continue to refuse to produce excuse transcripts then frankly there's nothing that Ukrainian government from producing these transcripts and because they have a recording of that call and they have a recording they have a copy of that transcript for themselves as well and they are certainly not bound on her executive privilege so I I would be pretty surprised if we didn't see the transcript one way or another in relatively short short order. Thank you so much for being here. Susan you catch your breath or he catch my breath and I hope we can have you back soon to talk about the fallout from this. Thanks for having me. That's it for today's show. What did you think right some thoughtful things to US think them through. I'm at page eight. The show is out real trump cast and if you're still listening and just go to sleep dot com slash podcast bless and become a slate plus member if you're not already. There's just no day like today. 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"CNN breaking news welcome to a special edition of the lead the White House in crisis. I'm Jake Tapper in Washington and we we begin today with breaking news. In the politics lead moments ago House Democratic leaders fired back Secretary of State Mike Pompeo they accuse pompeo of potential obstruction. After Pompeo uh-huh Claims Democrats were intimidating and bullying State Department officials who the Democrats plan to depose tweeted quote. Let me be clear I will not tolerate eight such tactics and I will use all means at my disposal to prevent an expose any attempts to intimidate the dedicated professional professionals whom I am proud to lead and serve alongside longside at the Department of State on quote pay has as of now had no comment about the revelation that he was in fact listening in on that July I twenty fifth phone call in which President trump asked the president of Ukraine to investigate his political rival Joe Biden and Biden son Hunter. This is a fast moving story we had covered from the White House to Congress and all the way to Ukraine. Let's start on Capitol Hill with Maharaja in Mono. What did the House Democratic Chairman have to say to the secretary of State of Eight pushback rather aggressively Jake? They're saying that any efforts to deny these witnesses says from coming forward these are current and former State Department officials who the Democrats wanted to have deposed beginning tomorrow they said any efforts to block from happening with constitute obstruction of their impeachment investigation. They said the three chairman said this in a statement that was sent just moments ago any effort to intimidate witnesses or prevent them from from talking with Congress including State Department employees is illegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry in Response Congress may infer from this obstruction action that any withheld documents and testimony will reveal information that corroborates the whistleblower complaint now reading between the lines and what they're saying here jake is that they're not they don't have the patience for a sustained fight with the trump administration we have seen Europe visiting Tire Year Democrats and the trump administration fight subpoenas being issued and the trump administration not complying with saying they're out of bounds some ending up in court. This is likely where it's not GonNa Democrats. Don't want to go that route instead. They're suggesting thing that any efforts by Pompeii others in the trump administration to not give them what they want not turn over documents not provide testimony as required by the subpoenas essentially could amount onto an impeachable offense obstruction of Congress being that impeachable offenses Democrats are saying so we'll see what ultimately ends up happening but witness who scheduled to come tomorrow. It's unclear if that person will be deposed tomorrow but Democrats the moment say this could lead to a rather quick impeachment. This Fall Jake House Democrat reminded me last week. Obstruction of Congress was one of the articles of impeachment against President Nixon Mono. Where do things stand right now on that possible interview with the whistle-blower by the House intelligence committee talks are still ongoing about bringing this individual forward the House intelligence chairman? Adam chef is confident that this will come forward he but he just arrived here on Capitol Hill. I tried to talk to him about this and other matters he declined to comment also the the Senate Intelligence Committee wants to bring that whistle blower four but there are concerns that the presence attacks against US whistleblower could essentially prevent him or her from coming coming forward and in fact today Jake Atop Republican Chuck Grassley who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee someone who was advocating for whistleblower protections sharply criticize any attacks attack's going against the whistleblower saying those should be left off the table and are not helpful for this country Jay can throw his grassley an ardent supporter of whistle blowers. Thank you so much Maharaja on Capitol Hill. Let's go now down the street to the White House where we find. CNN's Abby Philip and abby we have not seen president trump in public today he has made his presence felt on twitter though loud and clear jake he's been tweeting up a storm and really attacking this whistleblower this morning even sending a tweet that is misleading at best. Here's it said he said so if so if the so called whistleblower has all second hand information and almost everything he has said about my perfect call but the Ukrainian president is wrong why aren't we entitled to interview and learn everything about the whistle blower and also the person who gave him false information but the problem is that yesterday yesterday there was an extraordinary letter coming from the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community Michael Atkinson who the president appointed that push back on that very narrative here's what the Inspector General Road The whistle blower stated on the form that he or she possessed both firsthand and other information the IC- issue review the information provided as well as other information gathered and determined that the complaint was both urgent and that it appeared credible so a strong strong pushback there on this idea that the whistle blower is simply trafficking hearsay not only the inspector general saying that first hand information isn't is it necessary but he's also saying that the whistle blower did provide some first hand information and the secondhand information was corroborated by an investigation yeah and in fact it was corroborated by the release of the transcript and corroborated by the White House admitting that they took the the transcript and put it in the Super Secure Server as well abby. What are your sources telling when you about how president trump plans to mount any sort of defense during this impeachment inquiry well Jake so far there has not been much in the way of an Organiz coordinated defensive president has been taking matters into his own hands on social media and last week he started a process of talking his aides aides in the White House and his lawyers both inside and outside of the White House got together to try to come up with some kind of strategy and they're expected to present him with a plan this this week but there is a sense of anxiety among the president's aides that they are not fully prepared for this the the idea this week is to come up with some kind of plan both communications plan and a legal plan to help them cope with this fast moving impeachment inquiry? Meanwhile president trump's aides and advisors and allies allies have been fanning out on television trying to defend him attacking the whistleblower. all of them trying to mount a defense as this investigation seems seems to be moving very very quickly underneath their feet. Jake's Philip at the White House thank you so much. Let's go now to Kiev Ukraine where we find. CNN chief international correspondent clarice award and Clarisa the president of Ukraine address this controversy today in fact you asked him about the military aid and any pressure he may have felt. It's from president trump. That's right jake well. He didn't want to answer these questions. He started out the press conference by saying he was only going to talk about the the situation here in eastern Ukraine but we pressed him on the issue. I'm believe me his answer was evasive relying on semantics to really try to avoid being pinned down take a listen. Did you feel pressure from President trump to investigate the Biden's in order to unfreeze military Yuccas Vasco Hazardous Yo you call the Navy I understood. I'd like to tell you that I never feel feel pressure. I have lots of people who like to put pressure on here and abroad but I'm the president of an independent Ukraine and I'd like to think and my action suggest no no one can put pressure on me. Now you hear there. He says no one can pressure me Jake. That's different from saying no one did did pressure me but the message we were getting from the president was listen. I cannot seem to be taking sides in America's domestic political turmoil Ukraine relies heavily on USA and no matter who is the President Democrat or Republican. It's crucial for Ukraine to have a good relationship so this president is really hoping that it all of this is GonNa blow over Jake close a president's Alinsky also spoke about Rudy Giuliani. Yeah that's right jake. He was asked whether he had ever met with Rudy Giuliani. Although we should say there's nothing to indicate and there's been no suggestion that he has and he was very unequivocal his dancer take a listen. I've never met earl- digit on never and never had any phone calls with him. It's important for our viewers to remember though Jake in that transcript summary of the conversation that now infamous conversation between Zilenski and trump trump it is the landscape himself who brings up Giuliani says one of my assistants has spoken to Giuliani. We look forward to inviting him to Ukraine so certainly it was a fair question to ask Jay. That's right. I mean Rudy Giuliani reached out to one of his aides to one is the one skis aids for us in Kiev Ukraine. Thank you so much for that. Reporting coming up there the men whose name came up on the phone call with Ukrainian president and their names also clear appeared in the whistle blower complaint. 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Make it easy and get premium topnotch fabric with MAC WELLMAN DOT COM. Don't forget that Promo Promo Code Warner for a sweet twenty percent discount for back with the breaking news top House Democrats pushing back this afternoon against Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo peyot suggesting that pompeo is intimidating witnesses in order to protect himself and president trump. Let's chew over all this with our experts. Neil let me start with you. compare was accusing Democrats of intimidating and bullying his own employees. Now Democrats are saying that pompeo is doing it. You know Lee messages coming out of the White House is this was perfect. Call that everything was above board here and then you have pompeo revealed that he was on the call and so the idea idea that he is now saying it's the Democrats who were bullying these folks who may very well want to add information to the public knowledge of this call in what was going on W- with Ukraine so it does seem like he is signaling to the folks who might want to come forward. It's an uncomfortable thing for them to come forward so this idea that they're kind of being bullied by I pump. Ao It does seem to be that's what he's trying to do. Essentially chill their testimony before coming forward but I mean the irony here when the president wants to meet the Whistle Buller face to the face so we can bully him and he says that Adam Schiff is treasonous which by the way is potentially something you can be executed for and then the secretary of State's this is why it's like he joined a Frat and said wow there's hazing here to settle the both right out of the president's play boom which we've seen which is you undermine the institution institution investigating you claim you're the victim and then just questioned their legitimacy pompeo's doing it now. He's not using the language that the president uses not using terms like treason and so on but it's the same thing you just say they're not legitimate and not able to investigate y'all says I mean it's just so striking difference between what we heard from Mike Pompeo and what we heard from Mark Esperer at the end of last week where he said you know of course we'll give you whatever you want. Whatever Congress wants to investigate this? We're happy to turn it all over and then you get someone like Pompeii. Oh who's obviously very close to the president who was on this call and sounds exactly like the president and I do think you know and I know the tone. The president has taken but if you're one of these career officials in you have been working on on this issue. I think it matters if you here Mike Pompeo saying what he said versus if you hear Mark Asper saying what he said I think that definitely sensitive absolutely but I mean I feel go ahead. We metal concert and I hear plugs. What Mike Pompeo can write back is typically in these circumstances? A witness needs time. It can be a glaze over two page letter. He goes out in twitter trump style. This is playing to the boss playing to the boss. I want to get your response to President Trump's trade advisor Peter Navarro earlier today on Fox business. Here's how he describes the impeachment agree. This is nothing less than an attempted coup tie and it reminds me there was the the first guy who who is the head of the Soviet Union secrets CIA equivalent Beria he said you know show me the man fine line you the crime every day the presence gotta get up yeah. I just got to deal with China. He's gotTa deal with Russia with Iran North Korea stand now the House of Representatives and I don't know which wants more dangerous. I don't know which one's more dangerous house Democrats China hates Iran. I mean that's that's honestly we're your yeah. This is saying you know and this is I think a reflection of what they been hearing kind of in the conservative chattering class some of the talk show host cell folks like rush Limbaugh limbaugh. It's also I think their attempt to basically make this one long narrative right from the campaign to the Muller probe to pro smaller the probe to to kind of not make the Ukrainian issue a separate issue because that's what Democrats want to do. They want to focus on that phone. Call what the president was doing and so you have all the president's men out there essentially saying this is a democratic. This is what they've always wanted to do. They think president is illegitimate in this part of that long plan that the Democrats have had Sarah. You've covered this White House. Is there a strategy here other than whoever gathering together all the loyalists and having them go go out there and just throw whatever they can against the wall. I think the strategy is fight and deflect if you were I think an organized smart intentional intentional White House you might have people going through the transcripts of other calls and saying okay. What else do we have here this potentially problematic? What do we need to get organized? Get in front of instead. I think we're GONNA you see a lot of officials going out and saying this is an extension of the witch hunt pointing their finger at Joe Biden Hunter Biden saying this scandal is really over here kind of seeing more of the same and you know it's really Giuliani's fate to be determined. Maybe we'll see more of him to an Elliott you heard Phil talk about some of the things the president has done to condemning the whistle blower suggesting that that he's GonNa find out who it is joking about or making comments about executions when it comes to people who provided information does any of that break the law. There is a whistle blower protection act that is the law of this country. Has the president crossed that line. This is exactly why we have a specific whistle protection statutes now it has to cross into the level of an actual threat. I mean you don't really WanNa get into hurting people's free speech rights is silly as that sounds but when it crosses into ongoing to kill this person going to put a hit on this this person but absolutely it violates the law. The better question is the President is exercising profoundly unsound judgment as the president of the United States and that's we need to worry about so he has not yet violated the law. Go Good Good Point Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Attorney General Bill Bar the president's attorney Rudy Giuliani Vice President Mike Pence. We're going to try to connect the dots between all the president's men who have been caught up in the impeachment inquiry. Stay with US remember to create anad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN all the president's men now being caught up in the Ukraine scandal and impeachment investigations that includes the president's personal attorney regional Yanni the nation's top law enforcement official Attorney General Bill Bar Vice President Mike Pence and secretary of State Mike Pompeo who is trading accusations nations today with House Democrats. I want to bring CNN's. Tom Foreman to help us connect. These DOTS TOM starting with Secretary of State Pompeo. Why is he attacking Democrats today? Well clearly jake. He's he's upset that he has now been caught up in this web of scandal around that phone call between president trump and Ukrainian prisons alinsky in which president trump asked a foreign foreign government to help investigate his political rival Joe Biden and Biden's son Pompeo as you know has acted for days like he really didn't know anything about this except separate he was hearing but now we know he was one of a dozen people were on that call that he didn't want the transcript released and we also know that White House attorneys for a period period of time had this locked up in a classified computer file normally reserve a reserved for state secrets but as you noted he's not the only one you look at William Bar over at the justice department he's roped in because president trump told Ukrainians they should work with him on this investigation of the Biden's. Even though there is zero evidence the Biden's did anything wrong we also the president has asked other countries including Australia to work with bar on his investigation into the origins of the Russian Education Asian which so be devilled the White House Giuliani the private attorney for the president he's caught up in it same reason because the president told Ukrainians work with him and we we now know that there are Ukrainians who told CNN yeah he's specifically was looking for dirt on Joe Biden. He's been subpoenaed along with some of his records and then there is the vice president Mike Pence who told Ukrainians. I want you to get after corruption but we now know that the president equates that with going after Joe Biden pence insists the president did nothing wrong here even though all of this was happening while millions of dollars in US military to crane was being suspended by the White House so jake all you have to do is look at all these men connected to the president who are now also firmly attached to this questionable questionable phone call to a foreign power to get involved in US politics of course the Republican Echo Chamber says none of these people did anything wrong but if that is the case ace then. Why did all of them seem to want to keep this secret all right Tom Foreman thanks so much joining me now? Someone who knows a lot about all the president's men investigative investigative journalist Carl Bernstein also joining US presidential historian Douglas Brinkley. Thanks so much to both of you for being here. Let me start with you. Take a listen to POMPEII. Oh Two Sundays ago with Martha Raddatz before we knew that he was on that call between president trump and Ukrainian president the Wall Street Journal is reporting that President trump trump pressed the president of Ukraine eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani to investigate Joe Biden son. What do you know about those conversations so so you just gave me a report about IC compaign none none of which I've seen breath Carl it there was nothing wrong with the call as president trump claims. That's not exactly the most honest answer to that question. I don't think Mister Pompeii has been very honest. Throughout this episode one of the real similarities to Watergate there are real differences and I think that trump's conduct as is president is far worse than Nixon was in in terms of his corruption in terms of his contempt for stablest practices of the presidency and the rule of law in this country but what we see in both instances the roles of attorneys general to facilitate the corruption and to facilitate the cover up in the case of Watergate. Mr Nixon had two attorney generals who facilitated this one of whom went to jail and here we have Mr Bar the Attorney General at the center of all of this and what Mr Bar has been doing and and the first day after the whistle blowers complaint was revealed. I said on this air just about this hour. This is about Miss William bars attempt to produce evidence that a deep state conspiracy began and was responsible for the Russia investigation and of course that's where we're going here rather than focusing focusing on what indeed the president of the United States has done. We're trying to invent a conspiracy that somehow was about a Joe Biden and his his actions and Doug Rudy Giuliani acting as the president's personal lawyer. There are people in the White House in the administration who thinks he's doing more harm than good. What do you think there's no question he is? He seems to be just unspoiled rambling rambling around traveling around the Ukraine fumbling and bumbling through everything that he does and says you know people are wondering about whether Giuliani is copays menaces have his wits about him or is he kind of you know just trying to ease egotism so overweening that he's just wanting TV time and doing anything that Donald Trump says for them. I'll be interested to see if the American Bar Association starts questioning what Giuliani's doing wayne which is charging people Americans like the Biden's using Ukraine in this sort of weird way. I've never seen a lawyer behave in this fashion at the behest the US President Carl let's talk about the abuse of power allegations against President trump and against President Nixon just on the issue of abuse of power on this issue having to do with Ukraine. How do the two how does president trump stand up when it comes to President Nixon well both presidents wanted to undermine undermine the very basis of American democracy which are free elections in Nixon's case it was a campaign of political espionage and sabotage intended to get the Democrats Kratz to nominate George McGovern his weakest possible opponent as opposed to his strongest opponent would have been Senator Edward Muskie of Maine who was crippled will buy this political espionage and sabotage just as an what Nixon did not do was involve a foreign power in the attempt to undermine American democracy and free elections whereas trump has involved several foreign powers to try and come up with dirt on the strongest or the person he perceives trump as strong as as an opponent to him Biden and through this patently unlawful unconstitutional corrupt behavior and if Republicans and here's the big difference between Watergate and what we're seeing now if republicans are willing to go along with this this is going to change our history because Republicans became the heroes in Watergate who finally said we cannot tolerate a corrupt president who undermines lines are electoral system and this is far worse than just undermining the electoral system given the rhetoric and what we've seen other presidents unraveling in the last week or two and Doug? What do you think about that in terms of how much Republicans on Capitol Hill are willing to tolerate? We've seen some of the president's most loyal defenders the Lindsey Graham's the gym Jordan's out there supporting him but really a lot of them have just been holding their tongues where we are vis-a-vis this this scandal versus Watergate but is there any difference between how the Republicans are acting Du- during Watergate eventually you got Republicans is whether was Barry Goldwater Howard Baker another standing up to the power Nixon saying that he lied and we also in Nixon had a State Department with William P Rogers and Henry Kissinger forever problems they might have they wouldn't have damaged the state. Department has an institution become a henchman for the president. I'm afraid that's what Mike Pompeii. Heo Did by going to the press and lying that he wasn't on that phone call with the Ukrainian president. He's no longer a credible in the in the public arena as secretary of state that phrase from that era credibility gap is coming into play here as well Douglas Brinkley and Carl Bernstein. Thank you so much for your time and expertise we appreciate ed thanks for Attorney General Bar the development that might mean he will need to recuse himself our legal experts weigh in next stay with us off the MLB postseason one pitch struck once swing of the bat and turn to ties of octo- home tbs is the home of the two thousand Nineteen National League postseason this October today all the president's men finding themselves entangled the Democrats impeachment probe Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo who we now know according to a source was on the president's July phone call Attorney General Bill Bar mentioned numerous times James by President trump in that phone call with the president of Ukraine the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani was also mentioned and has been subpoenaed for documents related to Ukraine and vice president pants who was in Ukraine recently before the scandal broken while they are brought up both the Ukrainian president so desires and president trump's quote great concerns about issues of corruption unquote according to pants. Let's chew over all this Phil when Penn says he didn't mention Biden's name at in that meeting with the president of Ukraine but he brought up the president's concern about corruption translate that for us what that means is look. This is going to be a long investigation Russian. It's perfectly appropriate for American diplomatic official to start obscuring this that is it's not simply about one phone call. It's about a long relationship with the Ukrainians anybody in America would say it's appropriate oppress the Ukrainians on corruption. All we did was do anything any other president would do let me cut to the bottom line. This is about about saying it's not about one phone call about holding up money. It's about making this seventeen angry. Democrats are investigating for months and months and months a a an allegation that won't prove out to be true. They WanNa make this as obscure as possible. That's what he's doing but when vice president pence brings up issues of corruption to New Zealand Ski Mike Zilenski not think that he's talking about Biden Yeah I. I don't think the Ukrainians they were panicked for abortion. There's I don't think they were confused about what the administration was asking for. I mean I think if you go through the transcript of president trump's call you know all of a sudden we're talking about javelin missiles and then and we're talking about Oh. Hey can I ask you to do this favor and run a few of these investigations of things. We want you to look into so it is not you know a quid pro. Quo Y written out word for word in a way that I'm sure Democrats would appreciate but I don't think Ukrainians were confused about what exactly is going on here. What the trump administration was suggested an alien? Let me ask you about attorney general bar because he's mentioned in the very first paragraph of the whistleblower complaint the President and the transcript cites him as a Go-to guy on issues having to deal with investigating the Biden's bars office was told that there was a whistleblower complaint about the call on that bar was mentioned. That's a week before the actual complaint was given to the Justice Department. Is there not some ground here for refusal. I mean he's all over the psalm ground. Look at this point the Attorney General's the forrest gump of the president's wrongdoing every every single place you have a question of the president meddling in the Justice Department or your questions about impartiality. The attorney general seems to be there. There's absolutely a question of recused. Here's one here's why the rules just say if there's an appearance of a conflict not even a real conflict and it's clear that there's at least an appearance when the guy is the guy named the call by the president being foreign leader so absolutely he ought to recuse in he'd be doing he'd be acting perfectly within the Justice Department guidelines if he did and then now we're also told that the president's personal everage Giuliani he's considering how to respond to the Democrats Subpoena for documents. Do you think Juliani might might actually not cooperate with this. The Way POMPEII was sitting. He won't cooperate. I mean it's unclear I mean you listen to Rudy Giuliani on different days and you'll get a different answer. He was saying yeah. I guess it was the last night that he can bring his charts and graphs and audio recordings and do his whole Rudy Giuliani show in front of Congress Congress than than maybe but we'll just have to see obviously they're asking for document. He might claim privilege even though sometimes he said he wasn't doing this. As the president's resins lawyer he ran so we don't know I mean he's obviously a key person in this he's obviously very willing to go on camera and talk about whether or not he's actually going to sit down and cooperate with in terms of documents or testimony we'll just wait and speaking of Giuliani he confirms to CNN that he has hired former Watergate prosecutor John Sale as attorney to represent him throughout this impeachment. Sale was an assistant special prosecutor in the Watergate investigation. He's now a white collar lawyer. Obviously Giuliani me getting ready for a long fight and look. I don't think anyone who is an attorney would advise another attorney to try to represent themselves that as an even bigger disaster in the making than what we've we've already seen in terms of the rolling Rudy Giuliani disasters. I think this does send the signal that he knows. This is a serious issue. If he decides he wants to snub this committee he the at least wants to consult with another attorney about the best way to do it and maybe there is some way to hand over some documents and refuse to testify we will see I am with me on this that I think we're we're GONNA get fifteen different versions of this before we know what he does all right everyone stick around coming up the Republican Reaction So far silence deflection distraction how far they do that. We'll talk to a former Republican congressman next on this special edition of the lead the White House in crisis stay with US Wednesday October on TNT all the lead wrestling hits harder flies higher and breaks all boundary whistling the new League Wednesdays Starting Tober second date on TNT in our politics lead today the president's allies defending him as most Republican lawmakers lawmakers seemed to be staying quiet about the growing White House crisis joining me now to talk about this is former Republican Congressman Charlie Dent from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Congressman. Thanks for joining us do. Do you think it is an abuse of power for any president of the United States to ask a foreign country to investigate a domestic political rival absolutely jake in fact you know I served as chairman of the House the House ethics committee had I ever received a transcript like the one I saw the president with President of Ukraine's Alinsky that would probably immediately triggered an ethics investigation and probably a referral to the DOJ. You cannot use your official offices. This is for a naked political purpose and that's what that transcript struck me as an attempt to use your office to get opposition research or dig dirt on your primary Mary a principal political rival so I appreciate your moral clarity but I have to say your former colleagues up on Capitol Hill Republican colleagues. We're being very very quiet about this. Something that I would think would be fairly easy thing to say. This is not okay. Have you talked to any of them. Yeah I have and most of them do know that the they cannot defend the indefensible you look at these you look at the both the phone transcript and the whistle blower AH report or complaint and it it's in plain English. I mean you cannot defend the substance of what's in those two documents and so I think those who are trying to defend the president you hear them. They're they're. I think they're getting themselves all sorts of trouble. They're talking process. Oh it's a secondary source even though the secondary source is quite credible credible and verifiable with the primary sources say but that's what they're doing so there's there's really no way to defend this. Some of these members I when this first broke those members in my view were concerned but not yet alarmed I did speak to a Republican senator who fully understands the impossible situation that they are put in that if they they get too close to the president that they will they will alienate swing and moderate independent voters and if they get too far away from the President they will have base erosion and and for some of these members they need to hold together their base and be able to bring in swing voters so the president places them in an impossible position right and in an impossible position politically for them to you get reelected but it's really not that impossible if you're actually just thinking about what's the right thing to do. I mean this really is a no brainer as you say. The president is in the transcript asking a foreign leader to investigate a political rival end of story correct full stop and that's that's not even getting into the quid pro quo jake if we look at the the other aspect of this too you know withholding foreign assistance until their until the Ukrainians initiate the investigation the Biden's I mean that's another issue fully separate from the use of official resources but like hey when I was in Jake I didn't I didn't worry about I said sometimes you just have to do the right thing to do. The right thing and the politics will sort itself out I think sometimes as elected officials we would tend to over think the politics everything and sometimes it's just easier to state what you believe in and then try to defend it people people respect that you know that there are all sorts of ways that people are trying to Republicans look into trying to spin this defend this just last Friday on this show a former army chief of staff and CNN political commentator Mike Shields was talking about Rudy Giuliani and his roll with Ukrainians and then he tried to pivot to Hillary Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal shields. We should note falsely claimed that Blumenthal was involved with the steele dossier he went as far as to suggest what's that Blumenthal was an outside spy for Hillary Clinton false also completely irrelevant to the Ukraine call. Is this the game plan now. Just throw out names through mud. See what sticks against the wall yeah. They're simply trying to distract you know Tim to my Republican friends. I say this during over the last several months we heard the President President Ad Nauseam talk about no collusion no collusion with respect to Russia and Muller investigation now we have this document in front of us where the President United States is is trying to collaborate elaborate with the president of Ukraine to basically do research on his opponent that is that is collusion. I mean it's just it's a stunning to me and striking that the president president would be so reckless and self destructive so that's what I would tell my republican colleagues. There's no way to sugar coat this thing it just the optics are terrible and don't try to defend the indefensible explain the inexplicable former Republican Pennsylvania Congressman Charlie Dent. Thank you so much good to see you again. Jake thanks well president trump faces racist allegations of using his influence to dig up dirt on his opponent. 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