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Out of the Gate - Episode 125 - Jockey Club Gold Cup Edition

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31:34 min | 1 year ago

Out of the Gate - Episode 125 - Jockey Club Gold Cup Edition

"Yeah Hi everybody and welcome to a brand new addition of out of the gate daily racing forms weekend handicapping preview program. I'm I'm your host stand. Thank you so much for tuning in. Let's take a look at what's on tap for this. Week's edition of out of the Gate Major Breeders Cup Prep Qarase's this weekend both Santa Anita and Belmont diaw handicappers Mike Beer David Aragona and I will take a look at the prestigious Jockey Club Gold Cup at Belmont the awesome again stakes at Santa Anita both of them prep races for the Breeders Cup Classic Plus Bonus Coverage of the Rodeo drive stakes at Santa Anita. Perhaps a prep for the Breeders Cup filly and Mirror Turf Nicole Rousseau's pedigree pick segment focuses on a couple of races at Belmont Park on Saturday and Craig Greg Makovsky of time for them. US He projects the pace and handicapped Sunday's Oklahoma Derby featuring some salty three year olds plus best bet sources to watch and lots lots more four so let's break out of the gate. We're getting out of the gate with our Horse Swat segment before. Mike and I give you our horses to watch this week. I would literal minded. Everybody check out David our horses to watch segment at video. Dri Dot Com D. R. FS YouTube Channel every Wednesday. David gives you tour trip. Horses uses extensive replay analysis on the NYRA circuit to find next place really sensational content. Mike Your Horse Watch. It's this week a horse. He sought parks told me was going to win A. One Yeah by Landon see this source who debuted actually Saratoga sprinting on the turf and actually ran and pretty well that day to be third the race. We're going to look at right. Now is a second career start. They stretched out around two turns. He got a good ride here. From Jose Ortiz from the outside post Associated Press down to the front traveled strongly on the lead. The entire way has never gets his field a chance getting wins for fine He's got a lot of pedigree behind them to buy Cairo. The prince who I think is an up and coming new sire on the first three falls from this damn all multiple winners. There's a turf stakes winner in their this future. My core swatch debuted at Laurel. This is a two year old filly named Barbara Gordon very cleverly named daughter of Commissioner of Course Barbara Gordon was commissioner Gordon's daughter on the L. Batman series and comics and TV Barbara. Gordon has a route oriented pedigree. We know the commissioner wanted to go all day long. This dam is a half sister Queen's plate winner basket and but Barbara Gordon made her debut for decor going six furlongs at Laurel and let's head into the turn she was just outsprinted down towards the inside and Danielson was going to ask Kerr Farrand and this is a very eye catching move. She makes this gigantic five wide bid to get right up into contention about the quarter pole and she just fails to see it out preps needing the race as a first time starter all in all a rock solid effort for this forty thousand dollar bargain yearling again. I believe she wants to go long. She's is in the right hands. I think this bid flattened performance is going to set her up next time and I wouldn't be surprised if delacour stretches out slightly and distance that's Barbara Gordon and a daughter of commissioner. Let's get to some handicapping. The diaw bets race of the day for Saturday. Is the Jockey Club Gold Cup at Belmont. Let's look the field for Saturday's D. R. F. Bets race of the day. The prestigious grade one Jockey Club Gold Cup race number ten at Belmont Park three quarters orders of a million dollars is the purse were going a mile and a quarter on the main track for expanded stakes previews of all the major graded stakes races all weekend long when we take your horse by horse with extended analysis head over the video dot D. R. F. dot com or the daily racing form Youtube Channel. It's the classic ask story good three year olds taking on good older horses. Let's see who our colleague David. Aragona landed on in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. My feeling in this Jockey Club Gold Cup is that the four main contenders are all pretty evenly matched so therefore I'm GonNa take a shot but the horse that's likely to be the best price of those four and that's being over so it hasn't been his biggest fan through the past year but I think he subtly improved in his recent starts. I liked his race in the Gold Cup to back at Santa Anita where here into one twenty four time time for your speed figure that puts him right on par with the top contenders in this race and last time out in the Whitney. I just thought that John Velasquez was trying to hustle him into the race. Throughout the you know Roseau never overlook that comfortable with his position and he stayed on decently at the end finishing ahead of todays rival preservationists. They decided to skip the Woodward last time at target this race. I really really do believe that a mile and a quarter is gross best distance and they've taken the blinkers off in his recent workouts and he seems to be working better than ever coming into this race. So if you know rose anywhere around three two one seven two two morning line I think he might be the right play. This Jockey Club Gold Cup. David's going with pletcher. Mike you agree that the older horses are where you want to be in this race. You're not going with Fletcher. You're going with preservationists and boy. is He'd been good. He's the horse to be in this race on to be honesty. I'm not so sure that at this point on the isn't one of the best two or three older horses in the country. He's he's been good this year. I think he has the big win already over course and distance when he won the suburban with a one away I R- we have a replay right now. His most recent Wendy's is him becoming a grade one winner in the Woodward on not maybe maybe the greatest field in the world but he wins this race a lot easier. I think the final margin was suggest he's just bottled up for almost the entire stretch run junior Alvarado's Ronald finally going to get this worst clear as they approach the sixteenth pole even his fully cleared a run in this race and he goes on from there to win this race very easily. He has now how five for six routing under his career the only loss. I thought a tough trip in the Whitney too starts back. I just think he's way the horses beaten this race. I get it I agrees. He's the horse to beat and he might have a tactical advantage over this field as well. He could go to the lead. He could sit second these three year olds. They haven't been very good list this year. Let's be honest but I do WANNA give tacitus one more chance in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. He's just been unlucky in many of his races of course in the Belmont stakes extremely wide on a day where you wanted to beyond beyond the rail in the Jim Dandy he missed the break. He ended up down on the rail on a day where you didn't want to be down on the rail and then last time out in the travers. Everyone's surprised that he made the affront in this race. First-time blinkers close to the inside were perhaps it wasn't the place to be. He takes on a good challenge from Muccio Gustav who's directly to his outside. Take a bump from that rival eventually puts that horse away and code of honor who is going to have to face in the Jockey Club Gold Cup just run SIM over. I thought all in all it was yet another other good solid performance for Tacitus. It's nice to see that the blinkers have been fused a little bit early speed into him. I WANNA give them one chance. Despite taking on older horses for the the first time in the Jockey Club Gold Cup Nicole Russo's pedigree pick segment focuses on a couple of races at Belmont on Saturday then we'll take a break and head out to southern California in the other Breeders Cup classic prep the awesome again everyone Nicole Russo coming to you from Lexington Kentucky for out of the gate as we revived the pedigree analysis segments for this show which are intended to give you some more tools for your handicapping toolbox. I think it's a good time to to check in with this year's competitive class of freshman sires and talk about some things we've learned about them so far on the race track Saturday's Belmont Card provides is an opportunity to do so with three maiden special weights for juvenile's early on the program. We'll start looking at the fifth race for fillies going a mile silence sixteenths on the turf. Now there are three entries Saturday at Belmont by triple crown winner American Farrow who has emerged as this year's leading freshman sire. You're in this race features. The one I think is the most likely to win on Saturday increasing CHESA Caroliina now. It's no surprise that American Farrell has has sired precocious two year olds. He himself was a champion two year old by sire represented by another champion two year old. It's no surprise that American Pharaohs runners have have already scored multiple wins around two turns now what has surprised some people is the way the American heroes have run on the turf particularly in a Europe where he's already had multiple group stakes performers but it really didn't surprise me when you consider that American Pharaoh was a grade one winner on synthetic turf and synthetic winner and pioneer of the Nile who has good turf runners like midnight storm American Farrell had the potential to be a bit of a hidden Turf Siren his own right in additionally as we've analyzed the pedigrees of his runners to date. I think he's throwing a little bit to the propensities of whatever mayors I he's paired with that comes into play with his three runners on Saturday so looking closer at princess that Carolina she's a half sister to this eclipse eclipse award champion the brilliant and brave lady. Eli Who of course was a stellar juvenile in her own right at these distances now how her half sister is trained by Chad Brown who also conditioned lady Eli of course do you think this philly will want to go to turns on the turf is a juvenile. I think think all the signs add up now. We'll also take a peek at the days six threes which is run under different conditions. It's springtime dirt because this race includes two American Pharaohs in handicapping. This gets a bullet. How a stallion is early on seeming to throw to the preferences of the mayor? He's paired with now certainly American Farrow who did his best work under can and has sired dearth dirt winners along with his turf standouts Joel Stone though is out of graded winner who excelled on the turf and combine that with trainer should mcgahey reputation reputation for giving young horses time and I think this one is just in here to get his feet wet now contrast that with American Perros other starter in the field toward the outside outside mandatory. He's a half sister to this. Mare multiple grade one winner. I'm a chatterbox who loved the dirt as you see here. Mandatory might still want to longer than this sprint distance but I'm banking on him being the one to run better in this spot now. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention inch in this spot also includes son of competitive edge American Pharaohs Barn made and fellow freshman at Ashford Stud. His entered in this race is trash talker now no surprise that competitive edge won the grade one hopeful himself has come out firing with his juvenile to really seem should more suited to the shorter distances than some of his fellow freshman. That's helped him got off to a good start early. He's had five black type juvenile's today and a a few preparing to step up to the level. I don't know that their horses who will train on the distances get longer but right now in these spots the red hot and you can't ignore or them earlier on the card you'll get to see another son of competitive edge dangerous add in this second race another maiden special dirt sprint this race features for other runners by freshman sires unrelenting force second on debut at Saratoga is by Carpe Diem who was a grade one winner at two and three. I expect him to have nice fall. Two Year olds I think about now is one will start getting the middle distances that need to be really successful. daredevil stands alongside Carpe Diem at Winstar. Has It gave you starter in here in Hell Bender daredevil another one of those light competitive edge wjr who was a grade one winner around one turn as juvenile and I think that this one is another one who might be a hidden turf sire being by more than ready in the other two representatives for freshmen in here are are troubadour by palace malice in something to tell you by Honor Code. I thought both these horses verses would have later developing juvenile's and if you're paying attention they've begun lighting up in the last couple of weeks runners by Honor Code that champion son of a p Indy the should relish distance and he's had a couple of late charging winners recently palace malice meanwhile another one who's developing into a hidden turf sire as the son of Kirwin and grandson of smart strike recently had a stakes winner at Saratoga the turf going to turns which is another thing that I expected from this horse so obviously there's a lot to unpack in this talented freshman class with all those names of outstanding racehorses that you definitely recognize. We'll we'll continue to analyze all the pertinent developments here with you. Help you with your handicapping. At out of the gate. Especially as the Breeders Cup continues to draw closer for now. We'll turn our attention back to the weekend action with a closer look at Santa Anita's great ones after this commercial break is player looking to raise your game for over one hundred and twenty years expert handicappers have relied on daily racing form as there must have source for news and data featuring exclusive exclusive buyer speak figures time form. US Pace bigger and integrated replays Aref formulator is the most powerful handicapping tool on the market today us what the the pros us go to D R F dot com slash formulator and enter code Dr FTP to get your first car free drroof.com raise your game so you're saying horseracing is all about fancy hats and mint juleps but horse racing is big business in the Commonwealth from the breeding shed to the racetrack. It's all part of a multi aside billion dollar industry so I bet you're wondering where do I start. We all have the same answer you about You L. The University of Louisville. We're all graduates woods of equine industry program. So what are you waiting for the UN L. Equine Industry program has been developing leaders over thirty two years apply today. Welcome back out of the gate. Let's throw up the field for the grade. One awesome again stakes on Saturday at Santa Anita race number ten three hundred thousand dollars is the purse a mile in eighth is the distance for expanded stakes previews of all the major graded stakes races this weekend head on over to video. Dr F. dot com or the daily Racing Form Youtube Channel Mike McKenzie the number four deserving five morning line favorite leading handicap Kapor in the country. Perhaps lurking in the weeds though is the upwardly mobile higher power winner of the Pacific classic last time out now. Did this source despite himself or did he catch the right situation race with some of the big names. Just didn't show up. I mean I'd like to say it's the ladder because there were some no shows in that race in quip you know who he was track track on. We just threw in the towel very early on the other hand he ran one. Oh seven buyer in this race and if you believe the figure it sort of suggests that he could make make a racist with Mackenzie and this will be very interesting to see what he does Dan because there's no denying that this is the best race has ever John Sadler always been very confident in higher power. He has just been on fire the last few years with his older worsens of course he's got Catalina cruiser in the bar as well. Let's see who David Aragona likes in in this year's awesome again. I'm not trying to be McKenzie in this awesome again. He just looks vastly superior to this field. He's reportedly still training well into this race if he repeats is the last two performances in the met mile or the Whitney. There's just no way that he loses his race because I know some of his rivals have improved recently like higher power stone how much stock I really they WANNA put in the result of that Pacific classic seems like a few of these horses really improve this summer at del Mar lights that dumb are surface which can be a little bit quirky so I'm not sure how much stock I really want to put that race. Frankly if I was going to use a horse underneath Mackenzie it would be seeking to Seoul was won a few east coast sources that flopped in the Pacific classic but his prior for makes a contender in this okay so I probably do a four three exact I have not tried to beat the heavy favorite to Kinsey David. Thanks McKenzie's just going to be a little bit too tough in this race. Mike and you and I both agree. I mean it's just really hard to go against him based on what he's done in his most recent raises dispassionately he's just he's just really tough to take a stand against. I think we're going to look at it as Andrei one Whitney right now where he got a good trip in this race on my like the way that Mike Smith SORTA got aggressive early then led another horse go and you can see him coming coming clear here in the stretch and he just powers away from this field of one eleven buyers figure you know he's just the best kept horse in the country right now. Dan and somebody's going to have the author game to beat him on doesn't appear to be a lot of speed in this race. I would expect higher power to try to take the race to Mackenzie in the early portion but as you mentioned Mackenzie is very very tactical and he can sit second or third just off the leaders. He should be ready to pounce when the real racing begins better short price than long face for me. I'M GONNA go with Mackenzie in the awesome again. We stay at Santa Anita but we moved from dirt to turf. We'll take a look at the grade one rodeo drive. Let's meet the field for the grade. One RODEO drive stakes three hundred thousand dollars is the person we are going a mile and a quarter at the great race place raise number nine at Santa Anita on Saturday Saturday for expanded stakes previews of all the major races all weekend long visit video dot D. R. F. dot com or the daily racing form a Youtube Channel Mike the number to recall was a whole steak source in southern California for Simon Callaghan. Brad Cox has turned her career around around there all of a sudden. She's the worst debate Hamid. She's certainly gotten a lot better this year. since Cox took over you know she just run one good race after another her most recent effort on the yellow ribbon which we have a video of you know she just going to get the right odd to win this race but up until the point where she hits the wire she he did a lot of good things in this race most notably I thought keeping closer to a slow paced than has been her custom because we're running style seems to work against her a lot. She's going to be able so to stay close to the pace adds a lot to her. As a contender in these races going forward. She'd be a nice mayor that day in the hot Vassiliko. Let's let's see if she can go this mile and a quarter distance many of for better races of come at slightly shorter David our Goethe's an opinion on this race. Let's see who he likes. A number of these stakes stakes races on Saturday at Belmont at Santa Anita feature heavy favorites in Bo- recall is going to be another one of those in this Rodeo drive. I'm just not sure that I totally trust her. Her is much like do some of these other. Short prices are going to see in these stakes races because the mile and a quarter distance of this racist a big question mark for her. She didn't handle it in this race last year and frankly if you watch that race back she was losing ground through the final mile of that race. She just seems to me like a pure miler. I think her late kick which has been so potent and shorter races might might be a little bit doled going this distance and I wanna take a shot with the horse. That's going to be posted on the outside. The number six paved. I know her form. This year has not been as great as last last year but it seems like she might be rounding back into her top performance level in her third start off the layoff. Now she ran very well in this race last year on show-me lost by a half length of his coming coming out the end and she just wants every part of this mile and a quarter distance. I thought she took a step forward. Last time behind Basilica Julia Foxtrot Antoine Net in that maybe steaks six and frankly if she runs race back at low recall progresses a little bit but the stretch out in distance. I just think paved makes a lot of sense and she's GonNa be my pick as probably the second choice the Rodeo drive Dave is going to try to beat the favourite with paved Mike you agree yeah. I'm going to try and beat her with pay to mostly because of the distance I think it paves most recent race in the John C may be. I thought that she ran fine. YOU'RE GONNA see your here down towards the inside this actually this trip actually works out for she'd been clear on this stretch she just facing some better horses in this race and can't really make an impact. I thought she ran okay. I'm going back to this race last year. Though you know I feel like it's is one of the best races she's ever wrong. Dan Distance could be the great equalizer here and remember last year. She was a three year old taking on older horses. I think you're right that she's actually taking a drop in class. Yes this is kind of a grade one in name only last time out in against vassily good Juliet Foxtrot both of them would be a handful in this race. I've always been a fan of paved and like you. I fancy her slightly more at this extended distance than I do recall so we all agree with the consensus on paved in the Rodeo drive stakes Craig Makovsky Hausky of time for me is taking a look at a major race on Sunday. It is the Oklahoma Derby at Remington Park some really nice three year olds on display. Let's see you Craig Lakes. This is Craig mccaskey at time formula for this week's return addition of out of the gate and my time form. US Pace project their segment this week. I'm going to take a look at the great three Oklahoma Derby being run at my local track Remington Park gets four hundred thousand our rates for three year olds going to Mylan and eighth on Bert the reason I chose a lot of big preps this weekend but a lot of them drew small fields or have really heavy favorites and we didn't get a lot of flags on the pace projector. They're indicating either a fast pace or a race we thought would favor horses owner near the lead so he chose this one because it indicates that fast pace is likely on our pace is project there you can see that on the preview paid where we had that red flag see details and will expand on that in a second that actually signifies we expect the fast pace quick closer look at the preview page you can see a part of the reason for that is that we have five different horses listed at tracker as trackers I've highlighted a couple of better pay sources that would be Owen Dale number eleven with the one twenty-three late rating and bank it with the one eleven but one thing of note here is the number nine horse long-range Taty who is shown in front is actually not part of those trackers and one of the horses that leads to this this label that we see of a fast pace this is a reason in this particular case. I'm going to disagree with the PACE projector which my team a little silly but the the pace predictor is a starting point and and it can't cover every single situation and another reason that we have that flag here is because of the big field of full field field of eleven was drawn but I'm just not seeing that fast pace developing and as we look at the horses are going to see why I let's take a closer look at that piece the projector here you can actually see the fast pace flag. You can see the nine horse long range Tatyana lead. There's not much much else to see. It's a big field the horses we're going to be pretty tightly grouped and I think that could make things a little tougher on those outside horses particularly Owen Dale who doesn't have a lot of speed so let's take a look at the horses I think are the main contenders here I we're going to start with the morning line. Favorite at eight five mutual Gustavo he ships in for trainer Bob Baffert you can see he's taken aching to drop in class to really solid grade one efforts. He was second in the Haskell to maximum security ran a good third in the travers behind code of honor and Tacitus Asas so he takes what looks like a much-needed dropping classy rent some really nice speed figures in those efforts the best tube is career one twenty four and a one twenty five life and that's good enough to certainly make him a strong contender here you can see three of his prior. Four races were wins and all four of those races where at the grade three level also that seems to be where he excels at any certainly will be a force here the horse. I'm actually going to go with a as my selection is number five tax tax he's also run a lot of strong races this year he kinda he ran well in the woody finished just behind passes after he'd won the withers earlier in the year but but he just didn't run on Vic at all and the Kentucky Derby. Maybe it was a sloppy track. it's it's hard to say it was a roughly run race but he didn't really seem to have any excuse he took doc off to the Belmont where he returned with a solid fourth and a really good effort and followed that up wooded Jim Dandy win. He didn't have as much luck in the travers he finished seventh but he was only only beaten five lengths at a little over five with what I consider a pretty tough trip he was up on what we have is a quick pace. The the mile was rated as fast it coded and read and he was close he was wide around both turns and he faded a reasonably not too bad. He faded with an excuse as what I'm saying A and I ran better than seven points finished would indicate. I don't have a strong preference thinking that he's better than mu-chou Gustavo. I think they're pretty close as you can see see from their speed figures but like his inside post a little more and I also liked that is morning line. Odds are more than two times the morning line odds of Mutual Gustavo. The horse. I'm a bid against in here is number eleven when Dale he's another WHO's done is best re running at lower levels despite finishing ahead of of tax in the travers. I'm not as high on him. He's a lower price in here and he also didn't really do a whole lot of running their my opinion and he just kind of sat in midfield held his his position didn't really pass anybody didn't get past and I think he's going to struggle with this post at Remington. The shorter distance of a mile underneath is going to make it pretty tough for him to save ground. He's going to need that fast pace which I've already said I'm skeptical of them getting to make that big late run that he has. I am not saying he can't win this racy. He certainly has a talent to be a factor. He has three consecutive one time for us speed figures but at the odds I I think he's a bit of a play against in here. One Horse said I will use as a long shot in my exotic. Police will be number three bank it for a couple reasons. He's it's not quite as fast as he does. Draw on inside post but I really liked always developed for trainer Steve Asmussen. He tried them in a few sprints earlier. In the year he finally stretched them back out he had actually run at Remington and narrowly missed last year in the springboard mile but he he's kind of turned it around since going going back the routes and now admittedly it was against New York breads. He got some decent setups but it looks like a new horse and Remington Park. Steve Asmussen is always dangerous. You can ignore them at your own peril I don't think he's a wind contender but I'm going to use them in the lower parts of my exotic pets so to sum up. I'M GONNA make tax my I top selection. I'm GONNA play an exact box with Muccio Gustavo. I'm a bit against though in Dale and I'll probably play a three-horse exact box and some tries throwing bank it and as well well that does it for me for this week's edition of out of the gate glad to be back and look forward to seeing you all again next week time for our best sped segment here on out of the gate. David's got something for us. At Belmont race over three my best bet comes in the third race on Saturday so seven furlong allowance rates on on the turf and I see quite a bit of speed in this race and I think that could help to set it up for number seven swamp rat who's turning back in distance. He's really improved some of his recent starts and we're going to look at his race three back. At Saratoga on July eighteenth he opens up a lead coming into the stretch has still about a two linked advantage coming to the eighth Paul and gets cut down down late value proposition who is a very good Chad Brown horse. WanNa probably has stakes potential. This was arguably the best race that swamp rat ran but he backed that performance up at his next two who starts as he was fifth in the hall of fame agreed to raise and then ran deceptively well chasing a fast pace in the better talk now last time. All of those races were around two turns at Saratoga Tokyo. I think he's going to appreciate the turn back to a one turn seven furlong racier. That's remember this is a horse who won his debut going six furlongs on the Turk as a two year old so I've always thought seems a little bit better going shorter distances and he's going to get the right amount of pace to run into this race so if he's around that three to one morning line I think swamp rat is the right debt in the third race at Belmont doc Saturday Mike Beer naira analysts selling out Santa Anita for your best bet this week yeah when I go to Greece Lebanon Sanity. It's the UNZIP mistakes mistakes I five and a half for a long sprint on the turf. I like don't sell the number three in this race or most recent start. They tried to stretch her out over a mile. She went well in that race. There's only got beat a knack but it just felt like a bit of distance too far for her. Let's go back to her turf debut. This is back in May five alongs at Santa Anita the first time they ever ran around her. She just wins this race for fun takes over in the stretch and goes clear at the Yankee came out of this race five lines on the turf again she one again she has competitive speed figure. She's very handy horse. I just like cutting back injury Stan Nice performance for don't sell and could be very very tough stepping up in the UNZIP me steaks my best bet at Laurel race number six number nine our super freak. This philly's got a little bit of back class. I believe she's multiple stakes placed dinner career but she's kind of found yourself now. In the optional claiming level she finished first in two consecutive races before her most recent star at Delaware A to turn event Laurel and we'll swing into the stretch she made the lead in this race but she conceded on the backstretch he kind of had to make to moods. She's attacking the source on the lead again and it's going to take the favorite to run her down. I really like how game she is. Finishing second and I also like we're cutting back slightly to one turn at Laurel on Saturday. Just seems like a nice spot nice attack outside post position for the nine hour Super Freak Jamie Ness is the trainer and a high percentage one at that we thank you so much much for watching out of the gate and we urge you to follow all of Dr F- TV's latest offerings follow at Video D. R. F. dot com or the daily racing racing form Youtube Channel to see David Aragona sources to watch segment Nicole Rousseau's pedigree pick segment the new time for us forecast available every refried a morning and of course this week a special Breeders Cup Prep Webinar Andy Buyer and Marcus talk about this week's major major races. That's it through this week festive.

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Part 2: Sid Fernando

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Part 2: Sid Fernando

"Said Good Morning. Good Morning. How are you all right? have give us Give us the blow by blow. Have how you know how you holding up a family and what's the what's your feel for. What transpired we got back Saturday. I came back to Brooklyn. Joe went to Tampa His girlfriend's apartment where he has a chance to to still work out by himself over there and Kinda lucky to get get out too quickly. The padres were great organization. I mean they made these decisions. Really quickly You know I still remember it You know I try to Joe Texted me having a meeting About you know where we're GONNA go You know I told him. I go to New York. You go to Tampa Padre. She's got him at all everybody every minor league or major you're there he's got the tickets right away. Boom you know. Everything went really quickly and fortunately we didn't run into a lot of the travel problems A lot of people are excuse. Terrible you know But you gotta do what you gotTa do. And it's amazing. How quickly you know just tweeted about this. I guess yesterday the day for you know within one week All our lives. You know just change really quickly but I mean you have to do again to do and Big Pandemic and you know. Try to do our part and flattening. Add curb exactly and it. Just you read the more you read. I think the more the more Disconcerting things get said That's that's one of the You know that's one of the parts of this and certainly appreciate what everybody within the industry is trying to do. Yeah and you hope you know that the plans that are being adjusted you know work out and you know things can go as people hope. They're they're hoping to execute them. But you're you're completely helpless. I mean you're you're you're at the mercy of just so many other working parts it just feels you know. It just feels like it's everything feels speculative. We're that's so true. I mean it's really a unprecedent. Unprecedented that the future. Everybody's just sell up in the air that it's so that that helplessness and hopelessness. You know I've seen that those kinds of flavors in tweets as well and they're they're real they're real issues than people's livelihood their steak and people's health and lives. And it's it's it's a situation where you know whether it's Mlb or racing or NBA. Everybody's gotTa really take a back seat to the overall welfare society general. Exactly and to that end you know you you look at what's going on. I mean even with the sale. Obviously which Kinda got caught got caught in the really got caught in the cross hairs. I mean it. The horses had shipped in. They were in ten days ago or give or take two weeks almost than and they were headed and set for a free shows and people were on the move to get there and so it it feels like we talked. Obviously yesterday at town tour. I mean it feels like the right thing to do was just soldier fourth and and get it. Get it done but then you. You really aren't sure you're not sure when your two year old is gonNA is GonNa get to race not that that's completely the most important part of the acquisition. You have them and yeah I I suppose you have to keep right. You have to keep the the skids greased. You have to keep priming the pump. Yes but you know a lot of forces the two year old sales for whatever. The reasons Some people just back off them because they've been Cranked up into the sales and You know there's different way to go about it You know but sometimes the horse like Shang Shang Shank and go from sale month later and win at Keeneland You know in other instances Some these there are problems like Some of the same stable was we ward Four wheel drive in came out and I think he was given some months before he made. So you know it really depends on the individual too and I don't think that's that huge You know an issue Especially when they go to new trainers and a lot of trainers evaluated and Whether this tech enforces really meant to run right away or does it have a pedigree as a lot of these. Horses in two year old jokes especially nowadays are really Horses that have pedigrees for three classic type horses to So you know I think I think that part of it will be okay. I'm more concerned about all the people would kindly. And they're all over they. They took some risks. Well agreed and You know I'm sure subsequently I mean it's it's almost impossible to conceive that you know th there isn't there isn't somebody even if they're asymptomatic You gotTA figure that Yeah. They'll there's got to be. We'll see we'll see where it goes. I just You got understand that the you know the people that the the yearlings and did the training and they've got you know they've got their investments in and You know there's there's some people that are sitting obviously said that are right now. You don't know about an April sale. You don't You you're imagining that to Monia. M- could go in. May but even that seems if I yeah it's real well unknown quantity about everything I guess. Yeah that's that's guys you bring their produce to market and the market may not be there exactly exactly well and now let's also We did a little sales coverage was Steve Chirac. Td and earlier but Let's Get your reaction to a fall. Derby Derby and there was news late yesterday from Governor Hogan's office in Maryland that and he. I haven't really heard specifics. From Maryland Jockey Club but governor Hogan referenced a September preakness. So he was obviously in consult with somebody and of course New York is is evaluating Things as to what they're going to do with the Belmont but what's your first reaction to a September fifth derby a couple of things. Of course it's the right thing to do and it was now. I applaud everybody. Who was involved in that To reschedule it Certainly wouldn't have been able to. You know it would have been with the uncertainty of everything. It's probably you know it's obviously the best thing to do. However in terms of Racing Steve. It's getting created an interesting scenario because when you have with the way the Derby was set up the points races the preps way. Of course. You're trained these days. It's you can break the way. Horses run into almost quadrants. You've got your early season. Two year olds. Then you've got your late season. Two Year olds some of which are fine. Go into your Classic Training Early quadrant. Early season three So and then you've got your early season three year olds kind of you know best Example of that of course I justify and recent examples that horses of Baffled Slake Authentic Charlotte and These guys you know. They've cracked him. Ready for these LEXI's season two year old spring early three zero races for the Derby which is versus the classic and the triple crown however we know from experience that that trip by the by the time courses are cracks so hard for those faces many times a lot of them are around for the second season and you get the second season two year olds that starts to develop and come on right so now the derby in September. You've got these early horses and you're GONNA get late developing horses that are coming on. Who's going to have the advantage? It's not as clear cut as you might think because the early three year olds arc be really chewed up to the classics. They may be you know. They may be sparingly race now with the Derby and mine and I got later season three year olds. That'll be developing. So potentially you know you can have A heck of a race in September d'oeuvres it. It just it it. It's just a different. The whole thing is different. I mean it. Yeah it's just a different set of conditions exactly exactly and you know a lot of these late developing three year olds. Obviously they'd never take a bath routes You know the embattled song whore said. He had the grade that want to do by the big game. Erica Harrogate that type of horse that year radically now could be aimed at the Derby and September. Right wins. The drivers and and Would wasn't ready for the classics but was the fall. Or so you've got a horse like that say versus a horse like Justify or Charlotte and or can they gal or an authentic and so how do you manage your horses with a goal of Derby? That's GonNa be an interesting That's going to be an interesting managerial issue. Especially they have the continued to have the Belmont Mont saying June on its normal day and then you go to the Derby and the prix well and you know the the one part of this. Just because of the way this is seemingly unfolding the Belmont at a mile and a half Yeah being run without a progressive lead up. He seems like it's the most positionally challenged In in this scenario I lived over another Louisiana Derby this year. The three sixteenths to Tweet Sixteen. Which is the longest prep So you know yeah. Yeah it's it's it's GonNa be really interesting you got to. You got racing by tomorrow. It's increased sixteen as well You got a longer time. Obviously a eight more weeks to prepare for the Or whatever how many more weeks to five more weeks the Derby Gate to prepare for that Belmont if it goes on that day but Yeah it really is a Interesting new set of a problem to prepare for a mile and a half rage Before you get to the other I suppose one thing that might get discussed with Belmont and I. I didn't see this yesterday. I'm sure and I look forward to talking. Probably probably Friday today Greenwich if they if they ran the Derby. If they're running the Derby on the fifth and if stronach wants to put the preakness in in it's prescribe spot of two weeks later it could could run the nineteenth and by all rights. I mean we're at Belmont anyway. You could run the Belmont in place at the Jockey Club Gold Cup and thing and switched the Jockey Club Gold Cup to the Belmont Day or where wherever you WANNA put it. Yeah you could run. You could run VALMONT. I while the third would be third would only be what two weeks after preakness so October tenth and then breeders. Cup Is November seventh so once. That's I I suppose that. That's for for people rooting for continuity of triple crown. Not that it's the most important thing. And there's been plenty written already you know about the historic in placements over the years and some of the you know some of the oddities and and some of the Times that you know preakness was run before Derby etc. You know it it. It's not the most important part of this but In IRAS got some of the toughest decisions to make you know given that the travers as scheduled as a week before Derby. Obviously that that's going to be moved up earlier into Saratoga. Let's just hope we? Let's just hope we have Saratoga. I I saw people alarm that We might not even get that. Yeah it's it's you know. Some of the predictions appear to be dire But again their predictions. We don't know but I think the short term Planning is probably the best. And then you kind of evaluate Beget a long term. Predictions are quite dire. You really don't know what's going to happen And as as recent as made you know with the way their does exactly exactly exactly well one other thing I should slip in with each passing Santa Conversations Oaklawn. I didn't bring it up yet. But oaklawn yesterday Lucilla Saying that that they are actually thinking. Maybe Moving Arkansas Derby to that closing weekend. Having last year expanded the meat Kind of shifting their scheduled to end on Derby Day and the opportunity to run the Arkansas Derby. A little bit later and of course they've also got that other that that oaklawn invitational which had become a sensibly a preakness prep But that That could be swapped out and moved up there. Everybody is looking at their calendars and and trying to figure out. What you know is going to be best for you know for everybody. You know in their own Speier You know keeneland has not been discussed as much yet as it probably should night It sort of popped in my head in that conversation with Michael Tomlinson that there's no place as as some of these meets end. Said that are going. They're going ahead with no with no audience Fairgrounds is coming to an end where where those horsemen GONNA go You you know if there's no keeneland you're not going back to Kentucky and you're GonNa you're GonNa have to go somewhere. I mean some. We'll go to Oakland and their meat continues but that's going to increasingly be a an issue and especially as Churchill probably confronts that You know that the start of their meat is is going to be in question as well. Just the regular calendar portion of the meat where. It's a really good point. I mean I'm wondering when at some point. Some of this racing actually get stopped. And you know France England you know. Limit curtail racing We've done some racing here. Came OF COURSES. Can't let me but you make a point where just grappling pound things. They make them a point where somebody's current needs and new plan in the immediate future. Even without spectators may get halted So that's a that's another You know possibility as well. It's very tough for the way racing is conducted in this country. Horse Mayor are based at race tracks versus in Europe. Where they have their own yards that case racetracks. They can be quarantined in their own yard in Europe and continue with their training and here of course that that's not a possibility so you know it's it's something that these guys are. GonNa have to plan As a contingency in case it happens we'll talk a little bit after we're done doing pedigree focus. We're GONNA TALK TO NICK. Lock and a nickel share the view and the perspective from the the UK where even in advance of the be. Ha shutting down racing through April. They had already announced that The Jockey Club cancelled the grand national for only the second time Nineteen forty five in the world at the end of the war the Other time that the grand national was tabled. So we'll get. We'll get some international perspective as well from From Nick it in the meantime and tomorrow Dick Powell join us and Hong Kong went through the teeth of this Come out the other the other side and they continue to to to race. And you know it's provided a welcome distraction and so you know for as long as for as long as this can work and who knows said Eddie. Maybe this is. Maybe this is able to be sustained and you know let's let's sustain our conversations and getting a little bit about the the two winners from last week that we hadn't had a chance to talk about and it seems like every weekend is a good weekend for for into mischief And then we came back this week and and here was blame with another. You know another three year old on the March this year and it blame in. What would be considered the you know the middle prime of his stud career another nice three year old and they doubt and he's got to this year. Shopping ended down and You know he's been on last couple of years he's you know he's been rolling and it's IT testament them into the fate that set them Walker. Hancock and Bernie Sam's have had in this horse. They had a period where they had dropped his stud fee all the way down to twelve five. Despite the fact that he had a French oaks winner. Sangha and They stayed the course with this horse. He needs rewarded them. He he had a really promising called for adult dose Schneider and Cliburn and mu-chou who didn't go on but In got the to really the colts right now. Both if you notice were You know I mean expensive side in terms and far yearlings who've gone and I think the Dow was at sixty five thousand now Randy Bradshaw pinned her to seven hundred thousand dollars to your own for Kerry Radcliffe by for the for the Group of George Boltzmann partners and shop. Here believed was only a twenty five or thirty five thousand dollars yearly so You know this is a legitimate source that got is blamed legitimate stallion Part of that lie From by Arch Santa Cruz. You know that Roberto Line and it's it's a line that's Classic inclined to put it and he's an exciting. You Know He. He got kinda universal praise from everybody saw twitter shortly after the race from fan when gamblers to you know commentators than others figure makers everybody bottom line was that he which did some serious attractions early and stayed on late and margin with the short margin. They applauded divorces Grip to do that. And there's a lot of course his his competition He's got to other barn mates Authentic and Charlotte's and then they have to deal with as as well as the east coast contingent headed by kids the law market. Jack Give us Give us a peek inside. Because we hadn't discussed the Dow and the Female Family Pulpit Mare and the huge Dang family. It's a it's a buckling family. I believe Wow the the dam sending George. She's just play Daughter a pulpit New Dallas Second Foal but she's from the pleasant colony mayor. Solar comedy got pulpit their second day of his by pleasant colony. That's really big standing right there on that side and Solar colony the Second Dan. has produced You know estates winner and Reform Act and she the dam of the were front stakes-winner journey home or one. The Jimmy Durante. And you know the third. Dan Is Meteor stage-by-stage. Johnny could just figure this out. I damaged by pulpit. The second by pleasant colony and the third day is by stage story. Johnny Who is green whereas who's one of the greatest influences of stamina in pedigrees? So despite you know may dow called upon all of these elements in his pedigree to withstand withering page in debt and giving a different case scenario. He stay as long as they run up and body very much. So and I'm I'm just a just noting various names in here and and siblings and most notably you look at at solar colony. There's Tom Evans. Right trackside and he bread the bread solar comedy you've got you've got some some farish activity in this family as well meteor stage also an Evans Bread well just to correct it. Tom Evans Comments Mellon Evanston. Okay Okay Yep you're right not not trackside I see it that whole Buckman. Farm family DOT stain blood boy. What one thing about these mayors? That's notable in this see how many how productive they were for how long these are the meteor stage. It looks like meteor stage at about fourteen. Let's fourteen babies and so did get in and out of that unbelievable so this is this is a hardy feels like a hearty group. Oh yeah this is a huge. It's a major staying family and then you then you add the glain And you're almost surprised at how precociousness who is this is A. This is a perfect example of the conversation ahead on twitter. And it's a great explanation for You Know Randy Bradshaw. They bought this coat Correct me if I'm wrong traffic. Sixty five thousand dollars a day. September yearling some Breeder Sierra Fun. By the way you know fifty five thousand for for for horse but brain who you know standing for A little less than half that but in saw enough in physical and I've seen video like guate- the bathrooms and big strapping coke Showed an inordinate amount of speed for that pedigree and Made Seven hundred thousand ads a two year old. They can work up to march of last year. Seven hundred K. So what sorts of you know mentally and physically ready to show speaking to but it's for a pedigree Israeli stamina so he's got great combination speed and Stamina And you know bathrooms the type of guy that would nurture speed whenever he can and ran typical bathroom. The worst The other day and got For the ten for sure we. We talked Going into the race about the workout. I guess it was two workouts back that he just you know when he essentially worked a mile and a sixteenth. And you know you you could. You could really see an and the whole lead up to this with the you know the steak as a prep As a training exercise essentially to you know to really tighten them and move them forward and you know the the question. The question is going to become an and you already saw this and the reactions yesterday. Particularly the J. Primin piece that canvassed. You know half a dozen trainers with horses on the on the trail to the classics. And you know it becomes a question of keeping them right and keeping them you know. Moving forward with a shifting goal. It's almost it's almost like you have to take the mentality that you do toward the conversation. We had Monday with Tom. Amos about Sarig empress where you know we got the apple. Blossom is next but you know the everything is basically being planned from the distaff backwards so you essentially just after reshift. You're you know you're thinking that to to the fall the same way you you backtrack from you backtrack from Breeders Cup and put those signs along the way. It's it's that kind of thing you just going to have to look for a couple of more assignments Along the way to keep your horse competitive and and let's see what the racetracks due to accommodate the the you know the the road the new road the now now the longer and more winding road yeah. That's exactly right now. A real possibility scheme that the Breeders Cup will suffer in terms of three-year-old participation with the classics stacked at the back. Because you know normally trainers after the classics is the worst. Still Okay. They you know. They may run in travelers They may run at Monmouth and then they'd given a huge break one race and then the the the Breeders Cup right well. Now when he's supposed to run through the screen and traver aim for the. I mean. You know it's unprecedented for them to keep forces going all year and then still make readers go so the breaks that they somebody. I would've pad if they're classic aspirants They're not gonNA get and so they. May you know they may suffer that They may need that rat a derby and the preakness any. He said. Maybe even a Belmont doing that. Short period of time that would be almost impossible for them to make the Breeders Cup classic. There there is the unique situation. I brought this up immediately yesterday when it became apparent what was what was transpiring in terms of the date. You do have assuming travers moves up. Let's say to August eighth. You would have the unusual sequence of four straight mile and a quarter events. Said you'd have travers Derby Jockey Club Gold Cup If it's run as scheduled and the readers To me that would that would be kicking it old school to have. I can't imagine I can't even couldn't have to go look through the calendars and look at some old time. Campaigners to see you know the last time hours might have run four straight mile and a quarter races and assuming that they moved the travelers back back which they should. Then you're also GonNa have before that The the mile and have Vilma classic distance racing this year stacked one after the other. Yeah which Add the fact that it's going to. It's going to the fact that you're pushing all of the sophomores into the second half of the year to essentially do it. We'll see how it We'll see how it shakes out long-term too because There's already been suggestion that you know. This could have a positive effect on horses. Come back as as four year olds as well so You also the other thing that that I think will happen. I saw the comments from John. Service about mischievous Alex said he was going to sit down with which chucks acne and make some decisions but that they don't feel obligated necessarily now to you know to stretch him out to the mile and the eighth right now that they might be more inclined to keep him at the one turn configurations and and focus on the bay shores and the woody Stevens is and and that kind of event in a leading toward you know maybe the Amsterdam and and the Allen Jerkins and so some horses might be routed toward what they were most inclined for anyway. I mean it'll definitely shake up the situation in terms of people trying with trying to get into Derby with questions that may not be bread every year. You get going Debbie and then later on their running sprints right In this case by time the Derby rolls around. You'RE GONNA have to have a bona fide air in there because it'll already there'd be track record them because you know you're not gonna be able to get Some of these You could in the spring but those words you know after the Derby that you know. There's a bunch of seven furlong race in for them waiting at the end of the year. Well you know after the Derby in September over so you know I. I think you're right. Of course that may be work going to go. That route might be going back earlier also interesting because you know the the example. Us could may down. He's backing brought him back earlier just to in that state earlier than he would have with. The Derby May as preparation now. He doesn't have to do that kind of stuff with sources he can now take his time developing giving us some time now for September You know it's it's different preparation. And orchids grow and you're going to have some some I as I said earlier some later. Developing words cropped up. You're going to have some horses. That looked pretty strong right now in the spring Lose their advantage in the second half of the year on pedigree and physique who to somebody's later developing Horsey and from any standpoint. You know what why classics are held. Earlier in the year is It's always been one of the ideals from breeders have good two year olds that are good classic courses and the and the best those you can can also rate four which used to be your model and you know you have a proven competitor at two three and four well lately just been origins that can get through the classics early and usually have some form a to justify with exception but there have been other now coming up that kind of following that justified pattern Part of the reason for that is breeders liked to have practically courses that pad early development because for the breed. They've always wanted Worse that can relate to that potential crash course. Three as opposed to forces that usually develop late. They don't tend to Produce a type of classic early in their careers If you take a look at a horse like spikes town was a sprinter but a very developing or in terms of having gone through a lot of injuries early on. He didn't come into his own till he was five and quick. He's bred that way. I mentioned this before Spikes Town. Affective always grade one winners. He'd never had a blade one one winter before June of his three year old season until that Philly won the Breeders Cup last year. That's what a worse spice down has the worst now on the on the triple crown trail Vamos Charlatan. Just one huge the other day and it's actually to his pedigree benefit to have a classic agreed. What after June of your three year old right sure. Yeah so I like that. It's almost like the pedigree's Mesh for him because it fits the profile of the way that sire has has been towards and and this particular cold you know. He's out of a acquired American mayor who graded winner grade. One place. The second damage by deputy minister third damaged by life your European race towards This plenty of late development and classic ability and it's worse and spice down has had several horses that have wanted a mile and a quarter So in terms of This coach say versus authentic. I think authentic by intimacy chip. Who could fire back that early? Two year old spring three year old But not so much Fall two year old and four year olds and stuff so I think in terms of a pedigree shakeout Charleston by sites down is gonNA disturbing will fall into his wheelhouse in terms of maturity and maturity of the sire and the way things have worked out pedigree wise as opposed to like authentic by intimacy. That may be on the winning side of things by the end of the year pedigree wise you know there's always individuals and and their exception but excuse me speaking pedigree you is. Those are some things to look forward to in terms of how their hands well. I was going to bring up a little bit of Charlotte. We'll have obviously we'll have plenty of chance now to talk more but you know as a spy town out of the quiet American Mary. Nice quite American Mar- Often but We'll we'll we'll get a chance to talk about it. I I I do WANNA mention said before we we wrap up to. I have been glancing at at my copy of champions. The most recent one and while the Kelso's of the world and foregoes and Dr Failures and Damascus is in and round table. Some of them ran three mile and a quarter races in a row. I can't find. I cannot find a at a glance. Anyway some of the the logical candidates who might have run at a mile and a quarter four straight starts at it. It's not Making itself readily apparent. So I've that's going to be a it could be a little research project To See if you know it'd be interesting. It's got to be one. I mean there's gotta be somebody out there that You know not necessarily even John Henry John Henry. There you go there you go. Let's think Alexa John. Henry's was I don't think Henry egging less than a mile and a quarter so all his entire campaign in its worst year races were all at a mile a quarter or more. But were they were they on turf as well though that that The interspersed except for the camp which is on dirt Santa Anita Derby But yeah they're they're it. Yeah they're interesting. He's got plenty of these guys. Got Plenty of Jockey Club Gold Cup tries and and Hollywood Hollywood Gold Cup tries but yeah trying turf. Wise sure but I'm curious about. I'm curious about dirt and I for some reason. This is my most recent copy. I've got three copies of champions I don't see I guess. Pp's she to me would be a candidate to run in four straight in four straight mile and a quarter races against against boys too. Because that's that's all she did or go encounter no three three times three times a lot of suburbans and Brooklyn's and so forth. Here we go. Isn't this funny? You know what is not in the most recent for some reason? I I don't see gallery in my current in the champions with the white cover but she's in the the one with the blue cover here we go the great the great gallery. Oh I know where through my look at Speller acceler. Good one good one now. She had a lot of. She had a lot of Whitney and issue. She ran second to Rico Monte. Two years in a row in the Whitney or two starts at around the Whitney and the Saratoga Handicap that was in forty seven and Sussex second in the Sussex that she'd beat Stymie in the Brooklyn those were both a mile and a quarter but then she went to a mile and an eighth in the mass gap and mile and three sixteenths in the Butler accelerate. Now all right let this is the I I you researchers out there that love this kind of thing You you can really challenge to come up with their Got Here acceler in a searing. Here Jockey Club Gold Cup with one oak tree invitational Santa Anita Handicap and the San Louis Ray and the San Juan Capistrano so this of dirt and turf but But he did Did do those in a row. This said this is. This is going to be interesting to see if we can find How about the see a lot of times when you especially when you when you look at a forego campaign which you know early in the year the metropolitan and then he would stretch out and then you might come back and and Cutback in the mile a couple of two three mile and a quarter starts. And then you know then back to a mile and an eighth plus it. Also you know what's fun about this exercise to your your see races and you see how the distances you know have shifted. I mean obviously the Jockey Club Gold Cup from two miles And you know then trimming back and back but even race like I see you know. Even the Haskell was a mile quarter and and Backed up and of course it started out the hassle start out as a three year old exclusive race. Either well graded sequence. I've ever seen in my lifetime forego sequence to the Woodward at a mile and a half dropped down to the Vasbert at seven and then up to the Jockey Club Gold Cup of two miles. Anyone all freak outs well. I ideally said. These kinds of exercises are are not going to be needed to keep us busy for the next six months. They're they`re. They're a nice nice aside but we don't want a vacant I if I were kind of fun to talk I do. I've been wanting for the longest time to start a a segment called Horses that time forgot horses that have just not for whatever reason their exploits have not bins as celebrated one so philly dot c o seven. Tony Tony Tony Black. We'll tell you get chapter and verse on her. And then you're talking about telling me. Mariko throwing gallant Bob during the same that there you go another one died. And he I think he he. I think he got a turn on. Gallon. Bob said jump. I've got got got nick joining us and we will love. We'll talk next stay safe. You said Fernando everybody. Let's take a break and Nick luck joining US right after this with Steve on Sirius. 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"I could tell it was it was in the forties this is this is the kind of morning over it at the racetrack. This is the kind of morning where where the horses start art buck and jump and throw riders yeah they love this. This is one of the reasons that it's <hes> it's a different up here so special show so Keelan starts. We're going to talk to Nicole. Russo I my reference Nicole because she's going to begin the coverage and there's going to be as always there's going to be a lot of coverage. We'll talk to Sid who is I guess I tried to reach this morning and I'm sure he's off <hes> still on route to Kentucky for the sale and each session session starting at noon which is actually very cool because then we get to enjoy we get to enjoy the sale and won't miss any important hips. We'll talk acton Dick. She's got a D. R. F. has got a huge thirty page thirty plus page. PDF as they do each September for sale season <hes> it it. There's a lot of valuable I I should put a lap at a linkup to that. There's a lot of valuable information in there including wall of the regional breeding programs and they're sundry support that you get when when you when you breed <hes> you know in a in a regional marketplace certification programs in fact I can tell you that that over the weekend I was we were waiting for the renaming certificate the the papers the Jockey Club papers <hes> for our Philly New York volt terrain and papers came I think on Saturday and and it was included the the breeder Robert Ross he got her Delaware certified and Virginia certified so she spent time you gotTa spend I think ninety days in Delaware Sixty <hes> six months in Virginia and you get those certifications and get those awards so we've talked about this many times the whether it's the you know the state programs abs like here in New York Pennsylvania in particular very very lucrative and then folded certifications wow sometimes the the breeder reader awards and the certification awards come close to what the purse was. It's it's a tremendous incentive and benefit when you're when you're buying and then when you're you know when you're breathing so Nicole is going to join us and a lot of the materials in that PDF supplement the hips to watch for Book One and book two. I think two and I didn't look beyond <hes> <hes> today and tomorrow but we'll get a lot of the the top line pieces of news and speaking of Jockey Club full papers fascinating piece of news that broke Friday afternoon there is a ton of hard news to cover and plenty of good racing <hes> but with a lot of the principal horsemen we're going to have to kind kind of Bob and weave as always during the the sale because so many of inner inspecting yearlings but plenty of of good racing to talk about and we'll get to that but the hard dues from Friday was extensive and and the Jockey Club sent out a press release and I'm sure the press release was ready to go but what was certainly it was certainly pushed out faster <hes> when Ed that Hegarty of the racing form pretty much broke the story and the story being the Jockey Club Club is floating and soliciting feedback to implementing mayor cover limits on stallions and this is something that goes on on the standard bread side side. They're talking about one hundred and forty mares as low as a limit and you know the the benefits and the concept is not hard to to understand involves bio diversity and and too much concentration in too few stallions and it's a complex discussion. There's there's seemingly you know all positives associated with this the the arguments against would strictly be from commercial breeding operations that would I see the economic impact of their top stallions however impacted obviously the limited you know if if you're if you're into mischief and you're you're covering two hundred thirty five bears so one hundred times the fee <hes> you know being cut out well at the same time. The benefits is certainly seemingly potentially outweigh the arguments against and the initial reaction here forty-eight hours into this seemingly is mostly positive is it if the the timing the timing was both a <hes> provocative right ahead of keeneland so a lot of the interested most interested parties. We'll be in one place to discuss it over the next two weeks and I based on the Jockey Club press release. It seems like they yeah they. They did that on purpose and at the same time it's also inhibiting a lot of public comment because you can sense and you can understand why some breeders and some people whose opinion on this you know you you would seek out there taking a wait and see and they one of the comment was Kinda like to wait till after the sale to think about this <hes> they've they've got an important two weeks ahead of them and then we'll address it down the road. I could also tell you some highly respected stakeholders in this equation would have been just just as happy to see the jockey club go ahead just implemented and not maybe just have solicited opinion and feedback privately but you know to basically just come out and do it and that everybody would just have to adjust even if they were unhappy because of of course when you do it this way and you try to gain support or at least get feedback e you also to invite the potential to not be able to to find a consensus so it's a fat to me. It's a fascinating discussion and of course there's there's parts of this that I don't WanNa say the cow is out of the barn but life you know for those that that no and I can't wait to talk to Sid and get his input but you know there's lines lines you know in the the breeding world that would've benefited from this you know forty years ago fifty years ago back to into you know the not the early part of the second half of the century but <hes> <hes> you know lately I don't know when when did you know some of the Non Laris lines kind of die out or get truncated but there's you know there's certain lines domino line and and Saint Simon and there's there's you know there's the high period there's parts of the you know the breeding the breeding wheel as it were if you've ever seen that either the basically weren't fashionable from a commercial standpoint when the market really changed significantly in the seventies and the eighties and it imagined it's too late for that to get any I mean if you're talking about biodiversity well. That's great but there's only there's only a certain world of right now that are out there. The raise a native line the bold ruler in northern dancer being there just isn't and just isn't stallion lines that are truly diverse and specifically non flyers so I I don't know I I'm anxious to hear from you know some people that have made this their life's work and of course there's there's plenty of people that are going to argue back that say you know the the market conditions. You always want market conditions to to rule so I I it's a fascinating discussion but the the the standard bread side mm-hmm they did this. I don't know fifteen years ago. At of course the other is far less standard breads <hes> then thoroughbreds and they were they were they were very they were headed toward real real concentration. I can't wait to hear from sit on this because we we talk often about out crosses and its benefits versus inbreeding line breeding it the people that do nothing but this so we will hear from them. I guarantee not also on the hard news front and I hope to hear from the Hegarty <hes> this morning I can tell you we're going to hear from two of our favorites that we that have not been around that have not been on you too long. The catman Ueno Wayne Catalano go back to Wednesday in his nice win at Indiana at Charlie recipe that isn't a chance to talk to charlie the one that old friends on Thursday so you're gonna hear from literally two old friends for the rest of the head. Ah The catman Johnny Dean of course Johnny and I will regale you with Ah because you you love it so our reaction to the Eagle game yesterday also go back to Friday the the Elevator Alameda County County Superior Court judge. I I'm not GONNA say ruled against Jerry Holland door for it. Ah this and this is something I want that for because there was a there was more or less a parsing of legal words and and mechanics regarding a mandatory injunction versus a prohibitory a ruling prohibitory injunction and so it it didn't feel so much like a rebuff of holiday offers merits of his case as it was something technical I I at the time <hes> the the judge urged changed the party's golden this case stronach with Golden Gate and Jerry Horford the C t t to try to sit down added. Come up with some sort of an agreement meanwhile. The group released a preposterous pastas response to the judge <hes>. Let's take a break though Nicole Russo I think apple with Steve Vic on Sirius Xm radio hey what's going on Mike here and and I'm GonNa tell you about an offer from my good friends at express but let's be honest. We know you love playing the race but you can't always make detract. Sometimes life just gets gets in a way of a good bet. 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If seventy five bringing down the biggest stories in the world of horse racing this is at the races with Steve Beck on Sirius Xm radio ooh uh-huh maker and we're back up the racist minutes into Monday our won and we're two hours and forty minutes away from the start of the keeneland sale. We've had two yearling sales so far you're both conducted a course by phase Tipton the July sale and Saratoga really threefold in the New York sale and now keeneland the the the biggest of its kind and an important market condition bellwether every year but <hes> as Nicole Russo joins us from the daily Racing Form Nicole. We got momentum off of the summer sales good morning good morning seems like you know we know what to expect. From the top end. The you know the the later on the books three four five will get close examination but <hes> you know. It just seems like we can expect a robust book one certainly yeah you know I think the market is really getting to a place especially at the upper end where there's there's some stability and as you said had some momentum I think last year <hes> a decade on from the recession that began in late two thousand and eight I think last year we really saw saw the yearling marketed sort of recovered and you know of course part of that was keeneland September posted a record average and some of the best figures in its history this year. We've not only had a solid yearling market today as you mentioned with <hes> basic tipped and <hes> you know three sales what's that have started off the marketplace <hes> but I think you know earlier this year we saw very good two year olds market and that can affect the yearling market because off does that say <hes> Pin hookers. Maybe feeling bullish about the state of that market. They're looking to restock their <hes> their rosters for next year Dan I think we've reached a place to market stability and I think what we're going to be watching. Four here is for the market to <hes> plateau a little bit off the growth shown in recent years you know for example this year's Basic Tipton <hes> New York bred sale that you mentioned will that cell posted some declines signs you know from year to year from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen but that was because two thousand eighteen established record figures after several years of growth growth and you can't keep just saying record you know I'm sure they would like to but you can't just keep studying records <hes> year after year. Eventually records are going stand the market's going to plateau a little bit so I think <hes> coming into keeneland September which again posted some of the best figures in its seventy five plus plus year history last year and expecting a similar marketplace but if the figures are down a percentage point or two. That's not cause for concern it. Doesn't I mean there's a depression in the market. Just means that the market is plateauing and stable well the seems like the appetite for the the most desirable pedigrees when it comes at least to the Erling side not dimension as you referenced the two year old training sale business the pin hooking side where we've seen this this fascinating growth of of pinned hookers spending fairly amazing of numbers to fifty to five hundred thousand for a yearling and with the the expectation that they're fetch over a million dollars when they turn into two year olds so you've got a kind of an underpinning of Pinot cours that that even further drives the top end yeah absolutely and that's <hes> that's a strategy. Some hookers certainly adopted in recent years while we're we're going to spend money to make money. We're not you know traditionally books you know three four kind of beyond the upper market traditionally those were the realm pin hookers sort of as we got out of those seven figure horses <noise> but now the case with the two year old markets so strong in right now and everybody looking for you know as we talk about the Saturday afternoon kind of horse you expect to see the higher in hookers playing this week in books six one and two four some of these you know high ticket horses a let's hit a lot of the lot of the themes that that are always he's <hes> prevalent when we get to Keeneland and that includes the first crop sires plus reaction to the second crops based on track success or lack of it from this year's first crop stallions that have two year olds running the talk about the young stallions and I suppose we've got a folded this jockey club initiative proposal that was floated on Friday. We'll come back to that but talk about the first and second crops to start out Sirois. I mean the the first crap stallions you know I think this is a this is very interesting and eclectic cast you have horses who ran on her on her horses who campaigned while internationally we actually see a one or Hugh International. I crap yearling sires including the Girka in here. You know <hes> warfronts who's been commercial. <hes> you know commercial leader at keeneland inland September for several years has some of his young sons with their force per year links this year including air force blue European champion juvenile so so I think it's an interesting cast with a lot of international flavor of course you have champions like California chrome run happy and they're really the breakout account story from this verse Crap <hes> yearling group though is frosted winner of the Matt Mile. We always talk about his stallion making race. <hes> frosted really had a terrific sale up at Saratoga. <hes> you know he has three yearling type believes sell per inexcessive excessive half a million dollars including one who went for eight fifty <hes>. That's an amazing number first crop sire to to hit <hes> in select sale like that frost. It's got a very strong draft for keeneland September including you know he's got several horses <hes> <hes> in here who are bread on the same cross as standout runners like his sire habit that includes prostate has your book one one this week <hes> a half sibling to Belmont stakes winner tapper who of course is by tap it so bright on that same cross on and of course there's any any discussion of the second crops. I heard that cumin September has to begin with triple crown winner American Pharaoh <hes> of course he got every chance to succeed. It started with that outstanding first book of Mares that he got that we've discussed extensively. He's come out of the gate hiring. He's you're leading freshman sire right now by earnings by winners by stakes horses <hes> the the very interesting thing about him so far Dr is <hes> he you know he's had stakes. Performers on Turkey's had a lot of winners on turf already and I think that's going to increase the international ah the tight for his progeny which he was already very well received internationally so I expect that to dial off even more now. Usually we not a stallion get an outstanding book of mayors his first season and then you know maybe the quality and the number of the mayor's drops off a little uh until they prove themselves on the race track that wasn't the case at all with American peril his second book of Mares perhaps just as strong as the first <hes> that second book of Mares included Lesley's lady broodmare of the year damaged the holder into mischief and Mendelssohn and Leslie Leslie Ladies <hes> resulting yearling filly by American feral on offer here this week it book one on Wednesday. I know she's been extremely popular popular on the sale grounds and <hes> I expect her to contend it. You know if not top <hes> you know the top price for for the keeneland September sale 'cause you look this philly and you know she's by the leading freshman sire she's out of approve of the year and her residual value as Broodmare even if she never steps foot on a racetrack sky high there are a few you mentioned the some of the Broodmare the types that are going to garner a lot of attention Catherine Safina's. I <hes> baby is available. Go as three. Oh one so that's GonNa be tomorrow. <hes> terrorist terraced tangos got her first Roosevelt sure Ken mcpeek. Ob Flowing <hes> we'll be carrying on the try to grab that one originals Valentina has got a curl Colt <hes> so here is here's that that stonestreet the cross that that Jesse Jackson so so famously <hes> wanted to wanted to exploit but take advantage of well. I was GONNA say Rachel. Valentinas has actually been withdrawn from <hes> from from the sale but you know you mentioned you mentioned the cross of Kurland with Rachel Alexandra Rachel Alexandra's only son justice dreamer another one of the salient with his first crop of <hes> yearlings is coming to sale here justice dream who stands at Orinda. We'll have a couple of his first yearling offered on next week during the sale so that that is certainly still a storyline realized that I'm watching talk a little bit about the sales grounds and what we're seeing in terms of the bench of of buyers and in some of the some of those things that that always we we reference the two year old in training sale pin hook efforts it's but who's on the grounds and who has to fill some orders that may have been rebuffed a little bit <hes> when it came to the summer well you know I think certainly what you see at the keeneland September sale that makes it <hes> you know a unique marketplace's you walk around the sale L. Grounds and you see <hes> you know a number of international buyers all of the major Japanese outfits or here several of the major European outfit Sir here as well as of course coolmore and Godolphin which you know maintain international operations with runners in the US and Europe and everywhere else really you know and and you know the Korean buying entities were one of the leading buyers by number last year I expect them up to be a major force as we move into books three and beyond really what makes keeneland September H- unique I think it's the global market place ace and a chance to see how the American thoroughbred is receive internationally. You know there are other sales <hes> like this you know at at the at the top of the marketplace where you see seven your yearlings but you know what even up boys Browning Presidencies Tipton set in Saratoga you know really we we expect to attract the high end of the domestic market place here. That's really what that sale is. Whereas this sale attracts more of a global buying bench thing so that's really what we look for here? Is You know the top the top global buyers as well as the top domestic buyers and the sort of see how the American thoroughbred as Percy and how young American seiger's perceived internationally you wove a couple of of of you know rip from today's headlines kinds of elements into your sale preview story that included the backdrop of <hes> the yet another round of of lasix conversation and you folded in wars like run happy who <hes> <hes> clayborn flogging the you know the medication three <hes> racing career how much how much conversation in that getting out there from your from your pulse-taking well you know when I talked to <hes> I and I think this is the sale where some things will will be interesting to watch because you know I talked to Jin who of course is campaign run happy and who is working with claiborne to aggressively promote that stallions first yearlings and he said sort of <hes> you know he said I think it'll be very interesting to see how the international national buyers perceive the first yearling site. It's horse knowing that he race medication free on and knowing <hes> you know in many jurisdictions at the world they already do not allow race sex so you said I think it'll be interesting to see how you know how international buyers now perceive this horses. I knowing raised medication free and if you know if anybody domestically knowing that perhaps changes changes are coming <hes> you know if that makes him more attractive to other people so you know I do think that that is that is a storyline to watch. We're GONNA talk to your colleague bad hegarty Nicole after we wrap up and Matt of course <hes> broke the Jockey Club mayor cover limit story so we'll get some details from him but I'm curious if in your travels up and down the hill this weekend what what were you hearing in terms of reaction to the Jockey Club floating the proposal well <hes> I think that the stance allot of the major operators and fires taking at the moment is sort of you know we'll have to wait and see they set certainly if this proposal were to come to fruition surely it would affect the marketplace it would affect him decision making would affect things like stud fees. <hes> you know but you know everybody's kind of taking you know sort of let's wait and see the and certainly there are discussions to be had <hes> you know one next this comes to Jewish and one thing that I think is very interesting is <hes> you see you know. There are some stallions who are already commercial leaders where <hes> you know their farms by design have already you know limited limited their books <hes> warfronts you know comes top of mind Kleber and has historically limited stallion books and the way that's played out with warfront is <hes> you know the supply and demand has made him you know so and demanded oxygen his young sock and has made him the most expensive stallion in North America so you look at an example like that we're the stallion book has already been limited by design and you sort of wonder if those you know sort of supply and demand economics could begin coming into play for other stallions again within one. This comes to fruition so I think that's certainly certainly <hes> you know what will be watching you know sort of on the sale reporting beat regarding this in the coming years so we'll see what <hes> what Matt says <hes> as as well as the he made a bad more widespread reaction and reached out to Jim ganglion and the jockey club has got a <hes> kind of of a no no public discussion a policy and so they they don't want they wanna let it Kinda Aruban eight out the with the the breeding at sale community a there'll be plenty of feedback <hes> in the trade press this this week as everybody follows the sale and <hes> as we wrap up Nicole give us a <hes>. Give us a hip or two today tomorrow that you're really excited sided about that might be a little bit out of the the mainstream you by dash out of the mainstream. I you know <hes> obviously. We've you know we've discussed you know some of the top broodmares represented at this sale including you know Leslie's Lady I incur American feral Philly contents to top the sale but then you look and there are some <hes> you know there are two of Leslie Lady's daughter's Leslie's harmony he and Lady Mason or Daisy Mason. I'm sorry <hes> both with yearlings in this sale and I think you know those are flying a little bit under the radar Dr just because of the presence of their Dan in the catalog <hes> but you know I I expect those to be you know well contested lots as well <hes> <hes> you know just also all from the same family but yeah if you were going to ask me to predict the sales tapper was allegedly ladies American Pharaoh Philly on day three and <hes> <hes> later today. We've got none other than pioneers denial half brother to triple crown winner justify so I'm really expecting major fireworks peers. That's hit one zero six of course out of stage magic and it comes <hes> very timely <hes> considering that <hes> Glenwood was recognize the course by the Toba Breeder Awards was that Thursday or Friday night and <hes> so <hes> Glenwood high profile and not just not just <hes> not just the gunthers either <hes> it it. It seems to me that seems to be that <hes> Jane Lion is just overpowering. She's got a big shadow a AH on these on these goings on yeah and <hes> several <hes> upstanding Farris from Jay Lyon summer when program including OB- Louisana taught the half sister to us than Yada resides at summer win you know with her with her. You're laying <hes> set to south so yeah some of these <hes> uh some of these outstanding programs that have really built up his broodmare band and really cultivated these families like Glenwood farm like summer wind like Clark Land Farm which houses Lesley's lady <hes> some of these programs really coming to fruition very much. What <hes> what what first crop stallion are you most excited about the to see their results frosted? I think is the standout and <hes> out work. The you know of the young sons of uncle Mo with their first yearlings this year out work reminds me the most obvious physically and he's had a couple of breakout sales so I'm really interested to see some more of his this week. Well we're looking forward to your coverage and the coal Rousseau Rousseau and the entire team at the R F busy busy two weeks and we'll be watching Nicole as the hip start to fly lie noon today. I appreciate very much. Thank you for having me Stephen everybody enjoy the fireworks absolutely Nicole Russo everybody and the can't <hes> you can't beat Nicole discovered she does a tremendous job has got to see yourself has got a great I for for a horse <hes> <hes> when it comes to the newsbeat as we say so often Matt Equity is kept busy seven days a week and twelve months a year certainly the case <hes> the last five or six days Matt. You're broke the story about the Jockey Club but considering mayor cover limits the also of course had the Holland door for legal legal wranglings to cover and much more good morning good morning. I didn't actually break break the Jockey Club thing that did come out released but <hes> but <hes> I hope I hope I was quick. Quick on it so well you were you were you were were you were at the ready. How about that okay? You'll accept that phrase that this is a fascinating topic and it's it's it's very involved and the fact that the Jockey Club chose to float the proposal as opposed to going ahead and enacting engage a cover limit talk about the people you disgusted with and the the story from every angle yeah I think <hes> you know it it it did come out on on Friday morning. <hes> and that's the time when the entire breeding industry <hes> is getting in writing for the keeneland September sales <hes> it's also you know time when everybody gathers in in Central Kentucky at the sales <hes> to gauge the market and demand for for yearlings from certain sideline so I think you know the industry will have <hes> you know especially those those big players will have a chance over the next two weeks <hes> to discuss discuss what the possible ramifications will be <hes> but this is a pretty <hes> radical moves the jockey club is never inserted itself in this <hes> in this in these decisions between breeders and stallion managers <hes> but at the same time you do have to pretty <hes> pretty substantial trends into the last twenty years one is crop. <hes> is declining stabilized now but <hes> but it has gone down <hes> I think fourteen thousand foles <hes> around thirty four thousand in two thousand seven to the present coal crop estimate about twenty five hundred this year <hes> and at the same time you have more more stallions <hes> covering bigger and bigger books <hes> combine those factors do create some concern at least from the Jackie Cups you point about genetic diversity in the thoroughbred breed <hes> and one thing you do have to look at too is that it's not just the big books from <hes> from a single stallion. It's the big books from a single stallion lines so <hes> you know I think this is a legitimate concern <hes> as far as diversity versus the thoroughbred breed but the commercial applications and the line that the Jockey Club is willing to cross here <hes> I think are going to be the two things that <hes> that are most disgusting discussed in the in the upcoming two weeks. What reaction did you sense at large because you talked to quite a few parties for the immediate peace and I'm sure that in the subsequent forty eight hours you've talked to more well? I think it's it's to wait and see right now. <hes> it would affect only forty three stallions and if you do just kinda rough count <hes> the vast majority Oreo those are standing at roughly half a dozen farms <hes> spent for it is a big player here <hes> they stay in the stallion into mischief jeff that that covered the most mayor last year two hundred fifty three <hes> so you would be looking at a pretty substantial hit to those farms <hes> based on the volume autumn and the setpiece that they're doing now <hes> obviously if you look at the economic implications of putting a cap on book size than staying fees for those horses verses that have archer books will probably go up so you don't exactly know what the revenue hit is going to be <hes> so you are. You're talking about effecting acting a relatively small number of stallions <hes> at a relatively small number of farms <hes> but the impact of those Dalian's have on the breeding industry right now is pretty outside the Jockey Club numbers were something like twenty seven percent of all mares bred were covered by these forty three stallions that <hes> that were over the one hundred forty limit now somewhere right at one forty <hes> so they wouldn't have to cut their cut their a cut their books <hes> but you're GONNA have to get buy in from some of these international players including cool more <hes> and in Koo more more Ashford <hes> that's the combination <hes> for the international operation. <hes> is a pretty big player out there <hes> both on the breeding end in the buying and <hes> so I think you know you'll have to see how this shakes out because I do think that there needs to be some sophisticated <music> now says what the impacts will be and I don't think you have a whole lot of people in the breeding industry right now with a lot of time to sit down and work it out and perhaps apps with the discussions that world take place <hes> in informal settings this week <hes> in next week. They'll be a little more clarity on it a couple of parts to this and you mentioned you mentioned the scarcity factor and so you know the the the assumption is that if there's sixty eight thousand one hundred less intimacy if so and so forth and top Stanley and produce that that project is going to be worth that much more in the ring and heir to the stud fee will go up to offset you know the the balance at the same time. Isn't there matt a potential here and a likelihood that it'll it'll force the middle priced stallions the fifteen to thirty thousand range. Let's say it's it's he get more mayors which and better mayors which could then ignite their careers and ultimately pushed them into a higher range of recovery and I also imagine that that certain stallions may become who aren't currently partly doing southern hemisphere seasons that that they'll seek to recover they could potentially recover lost revenue by making deals appeals to you know to to go elsewhere in the southern hemisphere of service mayors in the economists caveat. You know all things being equal. Yeah you would have to have mayors going to other science obviously the same ever bears are going to be bred <hes> so you wonder if there is <hes> you know a a legitimate substitute for say those last one hundred thirteen bears it went to two into mischief. <hes> obviously obviously if you're looking for a particular sign of particular cross. There's probably other horses out there that are good substitutes for that. The problem is if you're looking for a particular acre sideline or a particular cross and you go to a horse that <hes> is now captain <hes> or you were going to horses now capital one forty and you just go to a horse that has the exact same lineage or a very similar of any age. You're not increasing the diversity of the gene pool so <hes> you know those institutions and what decisions breeders make <hes> will will depend on whether or not you're getting more genetic diversity. <hes> I tend to think that the commercial market especially <hes> is looking for one specific sire and maybe the subsitute is not coming from the exact same when he had so <hes> you know I think there will be there will be serious ramifications on this but at the same time I also think those ramifications the biggest ones will be on those those people that are <hes> are breeding beyond the one hundred forty cap and as we pointed out. It's you know it's roughly forty three <hes> <hes> well. It's less than forty three because a lot of there were five or six at the one forty in in two thousand eighteen so <hes> you know it's three dozen horses standing it about six expires <hes> you're going to need buy in from those people and to clarify some of the elements elements of this <hes> regarding Southern Hemisphere if for instance <hes> for those stallions who cover mayors in north North America in the fall and for those that aren't even aware that this happens there are southern hemisphere breeders that send mayors it's up to North America to get covered and then they go back to South America that would count against the one forty so yeah. I think that's the only it's not an ideal way to do it but I think it's the only way you can do it because Jockey Club has no <hes> has no power our to <hes> to say that that horse must be shipped back to South America. You're perfectly all right. It's it's perfectly legal and under Jockey Club rules you start a horse <hes> that was on a South American season as long as you treat it as if the horse is the same ages in North America so they don't have the power to restrict that so <hes> that that rule has to be there because otherwise people could game the system <hes> so I think that's the right rule to go to to be in place ace. It's not ideal from stallion manager standpoint <hes> but I don't think there's a good work around to that. I can tell you about it there. There's been generally a well received reaction to this and it including one reaction in particular from somebody who were really respect that they should just enacted this and trying to get a consensus consensus is going to be difficult and you know that there are way more positives associated than and benefits of this than the negatives and that <hes> you know might have been might have been in the best interest of everybody for the Jockey Club just say this is what we're doing yeah and and the jockey I can go up doesn't it. They're hesitant to insert themselves in this commercial marketplace but <hes> you know their official mission is to protect the <hes> to protect thoroughbred breed <hes> their rules are are there you can't they're in place but every racetrack runs on the rules goals that are set by the Jockey Club. Every thoroughbred is is you know <hes> a year older on January first races are are you know horses are eligible for races is based on this birthday to you have to be an official officially registered their bed. If you're not then you can't compete <hes> so <hes> injuring themselves in in these commercial decisions is a big step for the Jockey Club. The diversity of the gene pool is a legitimate question. <hes> <hes> protecting that diversity is a legitimate aim <hes> and yeah I think I think people were a little <hes> were growing tired of these big books. A long time ago. <HES> <HES> A lot of smaller breeders who weren't willing to to who cover this many mayors felt like they were getting <hes> shut out the market or at least <hes> those breeders especially in Central Kentucky who had kind of you know back in and secretary. It's time there were forty shares for for a horse <hes> you know that gradually crept up to about sixty but then once school more <hes> retired hire giant's causeway you saw the huge numbers going up and I think a lot of the small breeder who felt like it was proper to limit a specific sires influence influence on the breed and who wouldn't cross that threshold felt like they were losing business to these big international operations now. WE'RE GONNA get more perspective from people like said <hes> Fernando who advises readers and got a great understanding of of the of Sire Lines <hes> rob widely is going to join us as well probably tomorrow and we'll get <hes> ROB's <hes> perspective and <hes> you know even though he's away from the the day to day business <hes> his understanding of these issues <hes> we'll be second to none really look forward to talking to rob meanwhile outlets hit a couple of other the headlines and the Elevator Co.. County Court <hes> reaction to the holiday halldor for and CT suit against Golden Gate and stronach <hes> came down on Friday Matt and I said at the start of the show reading your piece piece I didn't seem so much as a ruling as it was parsing what the requests and and kind of some legal distinction am I right at that. What what did you make of this? Yeah I mean the the INVO- oh cases. Let's go back to the San Diego County Court which had granted in junction to to Holland door for that allowed him to raise the dumb are and then you have the court in Alameda Mita who didn't grant the injunction <hes> they were substantially the same filings <hes> others and <hes> door for having kind of a better case up at Golden Gate because he had been there for so long as horses had been welcomed there for so long and yet <hes> you know one so many leading trainer titles and he comes down to the judges ages different interpretations so what <hes> constitutes irreparable harm <hes> in this case in Alameda the judge did not feel <hes> that how how in door for <hes> would not be able to recover monetary damages <hes> if he ultimately prevailed court and so did not grant the preliminary injunction it said we'll oh go ahead with with the larger issues that that are being raised in this lawsuit at a later time <hes> his lawyers <hes> have argued that <hes> you're not applying the the the right <hes> legal framework here to to this case. It's not as if he got banned from seven eleven and can now just go to circle k <hes> you know there are races for two year olds upcoming at the Golden Gate meet <hes> that if his horses don't run in there aren't as we get back to another another their economic term there aren't perfect substitutes to this if I missed the Golden Gate Derby or <hes> if specific two year old raise the stakes great impacts <hes> the horses future earnings and career and his eligibility for parole races in the in the future <hes> and so I would have to even ship out out of state just to even get those opportunities <hes> that for horse people. I think that's that's a very compelling argument. You look at it and say yeah. That's that's that's exactly the right analysis <hes> in this case the <hes> the judge in Alameda County did not <hes> consider that <hes> she felt that there were opportunities for for Hauling Gore to race <hes> at other tracks including the the fair circuits in in California which I think everyone in the host community she does this is not is not golden gate and we're not saying that golden gate is standing neater del Mar <hes> so this was kind of an interesting <hes> an interesting ruling considering <hes> what the San Diego Court had said and had said pretty definitively they even attached at ruling <hes> to their filings wings <hes> and <hes> and this judge <hes> came to the to the to a different conclusion and she also her name's well wise and she she also seemed to really implore the stronach group and the CPT and and Holler team to sit down and and and work this out <hes> that that seems to be the one thing that that really stood out from this from this reaction that that that she provided yeah the final paragraph of a ruling <hes> which was only four four or five graphs <hes> from what I remember <hes> was basically a <hes> encouraging decides to to look at the contract at the CPT has with <hes> the tracks <hes> which does have language in it providing for arbitration <hes> to sit down and go through this process which which is an indication that she at least thinks that there may be a breach of contract here that would be an Horford's favor <hes> I think everyone in the racing industry would probably be overjoyed to get this issue out of the courts <hes> to get the people to sit down at a stable and figure out some don't wait to move forward on this issue even if it is just relying on <hes> on an arbitrator <hes> it's not going to be <hes> everyone knows when Santa Tannan Nida opens in late September <hes> that the the media coverage is going to start again <hes> and it would be good for the for both sides in that party party to be on the same page as to what their stance is going to be <hes> for for Jerry Hall and offer well for Jerry three and four Janet in particular who runs the operation in San Francisco just to just the constant <hes> right now anyway continues to be a constant battle and we'll see what <hes> drew quote Oh and Darrell Vienna Anna what they what they do next coming out of this ruling <hes> while we're while we're talking legal proceedings and and <hes> filings in front of in front of Commissions <hes> the fascinating development in northern Kentucky where are Churchill downs is interested in building a new Latonya and what we discussed this quickly on Friday bat just just breaking it into sort of getting into the the headline didn't have a reaction from the hard rock team and from mm <hes> Chip Bok and turf way that seems to be an added element to the story what what what's at stake here you're and where things stand from your perspective yeah and this was a story that I did break actually very so in this case you know I just I think that <hes> that hard rock and Jack Entertainment <hes> this deal is not closed. Jack Entertainment did <hes> reach an agreement to sell Turf Way and they're casino in Cincinnati too the hard rock <hes> you know I think that Jack Entertainment and hard rock dug this hole themselves. <hes> they practically invited a racing company to <hes> to <music> at least a well hill bracing company Churchill downs <hes> to go after that market in northern Kentucky <hes> you know go to the racing commission meetings every month <hes> with rare exception <hes> and the you know the the Kentucky Worth Racing Commission and especially Mark Simon Dinger and Franklin who are the vice chairman the chairman <hes> respectably have been urging those parents companies through chip Beck who doesn't have any control over any of this is the general manager he doesn't control so what happens from on top have been urging him to go back to the company install historical racing machines and clean up her play parch this has been going on for years <hes> <hes> and I think Churchill downs <hes> which now is kind of ecstatic over the potential of historical horse racing machines after you know Pooh poohing them for for five or six years the <hes> said look. We've got a chance to make a play up there. <hes> if we use historical horse racing machine revenues to to improve the purses we think we can get the the horseman on board <hes> but there would be this transition period in which Turkish vans with would run a great many days <hes> at least for for every year <hes> and Churchill. I think thought we'll let strike while the iron is hot while the criticism is still out there <hes> let's get these dates right away. Run the Michio while we're building track there <hes> attract game casino and <hes> it's it's a bolt plate but it made eight percents <hes> the commission has been urging turf way parks owners to do something with that track up there and they have resisted them for years and so I think Churchill just saw an opportunity and wants to take see we'll see where this goes uh-huh as well as I say all the time they keep you busy and are you going to be pitching in on Keelan coverage average. Yes I'm heading out there in about an hour so we'll watch for for your would just Nicole Roussell so we've covered every base in Indus opening our I appreciate it Matt. Thanks for having me on and time and all the time because Matt <hes> doesn't amazing amazing job <hes> when it comes to all these news stories <hes> coast to coast and not just not just coast to coast but over the border to plenty of times. He's uncovered the candidate stuff. Let's take a break top of the hour is

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"Interviews this is steve. We're back into our to on this wednesday. That means sire watch pedigree focus brought to you by hill and dale and sit for nando. Good morning there we go. Can you hear me. I didn't hear the didn't hear you. So i'll say good morning again. Good morning has gone bad. Sorry to be a little late. But the arlington story Kind of cast. No problem flipped in so nice. Well i got topics for you. However in terms of pedigrees will get to that and the stallion barnes are officially open throughout the breeding breeding jurisdictions around the country. But certainly the story said that is top of mind The filing of a lawsuit to fight the hundred forty head count of standing in restriction we talked extensively about it when the concept was floated and your thoughts and and what are the. What kind of reaction. You've you've heard here the last forty eight hours I wasn't really surprised at this lawsuit was going to arrive Certainly spendthrift then. Cool more To challenge it They've been joying in the super I three chimneys. Wow so You know i think billy. There's a lot of chatter. You know people talk about this stuff you know. People have opinions of what's going on limiting hundred forty books you know people have seen people discuss stuff on twitter and stuff. Unfortunately what happens with this is that you know twitter like a big classroom that stay in the same classroom. You have first graders. All the way to twelfth graders if we're looking at the high school and so the thing happened discussed by first graders and twelfth graders and you could just understand if you visualize that way You know say this twelfth grade topic and it's should be the twelfth grade but instead you got second graders. you know. Third graders first grader. And so the entire Conversation become just so ludicrous after a while you know. Don't get me wrong twitter. I enjoy added great decade on it But as with any subject. Steve you know. There's there's some issue that you know Are are just above the pay grade of people it normally if somebody's talking to me about Rain surgery you know. I'm not gonna go in there and give the might through sense. I'm just gonna listen to you know. The twelfth graders about it though isn't first graders. There's you know if you don't habits routines in the in the subject matter your best trying to research it or listened to people that might have a better same's this is a case that has legal issue as well as other economic and You know Business issues that are all intertwined in the sink and essentially as everybody knows the jockey club set a cap of one hundred forty four future stallions. Now they use the date of two thousand twenty which is Any colt born in two thousand and twenty then eventually go to stud will be limited to one hundred and forty mayors. Everything else beforehand Would is not they don't have good here the same rule. So the jockey club you know wanted to be fair about this They said okay. All standing standing right now or folds of two thousand nineteen you know. They're just two year old this year they're exempt and let's just start this. You know From scratch with this date. And that's what they did but it's such a complex topic because what What this what this means you know is that and don't get me wrong. I i love the days when you head smaller. Books and and advocate small books as well. I think they're better for Producing racehorses but but there are a lot of moving parts but taking my own view of books out of it from from a legal challenge and i think this this is a big issue. Because it's a it's a lock as to suits The plaintiffs in this case are alleging a restriction of trade. they're alleging a variety of things but essentially. They're alleging that this economic protectionism men q. stop them from making money meant to stop them from reading as many mayors as they wanted this. So that those excess mares would go to other towns and you know. I'm not obviously when when they're major issues whether it's banking whether it's in the environment pollution banking You know mortgage Stuff that led to the collapse obviously a lot of cases There's there's need for regulation right. I'm not anti regulation whatsoever. However in every case there should be some Reasoning and evidence and discussion before something is passed and in this case what the plaintiffs are alleging that the jockey club maintains and and and jim gag riano made a statement. I which is on the td in yesterday maintain said this was does by the jockey club the registrar of the breed to protect the health of thoroughbred. Because they feel that there's too much inbreeding taking place and that's why they're doing this now if you talk anybody in kentucky. Nobody mentioned that they mentioned get. These guys are waiting and we want some of those mayors are down but the jockey could official position has to be there and is what they stated that their that their Concerned about the welfare of the thoroughbred and of course it's a great lightning rod to kick to get people that don't know a lot on their side By saying oh yeah the breeding too many horses. The readers getting inbred. It's going to seed and so forth the problem that the jackie goodwin they when when they made this thing is a said that but they never offered any type of scientific poof. Can i add a couple of things in here absolutely this alone. This alone for you The jockey club fields that they you know there. And we'll solid legal ground because The standard bread industry Also in two thousand nine Limited stallions two hundred forty mirrors however. Here's a couple of years the differences with this case and the standard britain mystery. And i think the club feels that they're strong ground. I think their legal team thinks there's no antitrust issues. However here's here's the big difference. The standard bread industry actually commissioned a study that was presented to its members. Now the us ta that runs the standard bread. Organiz ation dander bridge. Everybody has to be a member of the us in in this case. The jockey club is a private you don't you can't become a member you have to be invited to become a member. The usda you have to be member so there's industry participation from the get go in that risk. This number two there wasn't there was a scientific study that was conducted and sent down. No scientific study was conducted in out here number three the major proponents for limiting books in the standard brennan street. The one forty or actually the guy at the top that were breeding excess mares. And they thought it was good. They went against her own economic interests. Here that's not the case. The storage that are named or the institution that are named in this Suit are not the people that are breeding access mares in fact they're the beneficiaries of this thing takes place number four standard brennan industries A is permitted and there's much lower population of forces show. Can you imagine with a i. You can have ramp and large books right here. There's a larger population of forces and a is not permitted So there are significant differences. I don't think the jockey club. Should you know be confident that this this case is going to be dismissed. That event I think that. I read this lawsuit. my wife is working on a case right now So i was able to get hurt weeded but she did. Promise me she's gonna read it this weekend. She's an attorney. However i read it and You know. I think. I think that there are are things in this case. That are going to be problematic for jackie but unfortunately what you have. What would the biggest issue see that. We're seeing here is yet another fracture part of industry. You know instead of working together. You've got groups at each other's throats and that's where we are in terms of that now you know. There's there's so many so much more you can. You know you're not going to change behavior because the game has changed back in the good old days when you had low smaller books. That's because owner. Breeders dominated the game these days. It's a commercial marketplace and commercial. Breeders wanted week. Two types of forces first or second year is or elite proven horses. Really this is this this issue. This cap is trying to address all these other stallions. That aren't getting married. Such as third fourth and fifth year horses and those horses are not going to get married even with the cap because commercial. Breeders long is. They're the ones that dominate. This game are not gonna weeks them. Why because they're not gonna be too starring and take yearling market and have the risk. That stallion has not done anything to track while you're presenting a year into sell if that's down has runners and they haven't done anything that commercial breeders yearling is gonna get punished salesman. That's why they like to go to. First you horses because when that yearly cells it's a it's a clean slate. There's nothing negative about that stallion yet when you go to a second crop yearly you have some risk Know like the people that brek shea run happy last year when they sold their second crop yearlings. The first crop was at the races. Run happy case. They start winning till this year. So you early buyers last year. That punished in the ring is buyers. Stayed away from the run. Happy happy this year is having a hell of a run okay. But those are reasons why you're not gonna get married to third fourth and fifth year horses by putting happened place. It's just not going to happen as long as commercial. Breed urged are. Are the guys reading the wine share forces. And that's exactly what's taking place right now. I turn it over to you. Well you said the right thing about the working parts because there's you know there's the bio diversity conversation there's the you know the economic restrictive element And then there's the reality when it comes to the biodiversity. It's kind of funny. Because i if in fact the concept were to hold it. There's only going to be the the the choices if you can't get intimate jeff. You're gonna to a son of intimacy. If i mean it. It's not as if it's not as if this would force people to go to go find you know some long forgotten line. That's being ignored to talk to re. Rebirth it yeah. I and even within that concept steve You know you're in your particular sample actually is a good example of that this year and that you know intimacy if you don't get to him expensive also has authentic. Who's the first year horse you know. And and that. But there's also the matter of scud-c ranges right i mean Know somebody that doesn't get into a hundred and fifty thousand dollars horse isn't gonna wanna just you know a breed that mirror to a twenty thousand dollars standing it's rewire that part of it. Well there's also this. I think the biggest issue is that the jockey club maintains that they're doing this for altruistic reasons to quote unquote save the breed The welfare of the breed but they have not issued a single scientific paper you know ward narrowly in a discussion period When the topic like this is brought up you know you have a comment period and people go back and forth The jackie cooper has maintained but has not ever presented anything. So why would you Institute rule fourteen c. Which is what the rule is without giving a evidence to your constituents That's one of the biggest and puzzling parts of this. And the big. French differentiating part to the us ta did present scientific paper and then acted upon it. You know so You know above all this and you know. I have strong interest in legal issues So for me you know. I'm very very skeptical of the jackie clubs. Move only because they didn't present the paper imagine if they presented a paper and said oh look. Yeah without that daddy. Scientists are saying that the is getting inbred. And this is you know is going to be bad for the breeder whatever. And here's that's what we're gonna do. If that were the case you know. I think they have a leg to stand up. Usually what determines what good or bad our race track results looking at some of the classic winners from last year. And you know they've got six crosses the northern dancer and they're winning and that's supposed to be bad well usually what's bad is when they don't want you know when you met had Strangle bully sire line and and that blood they will you know Boulder county line and they were winning everything and and then. Suddenly they went kaput. You know what happens is Usually it takes care of itself. They don't want they're not working anymore. Empires crumble and then new ones form. And that's usually how it takes place. If a sire line is working people go elsewhere and then things rejuvenate you know what i'm saying sure and that's usually the way things are you know. We're not talking about environmental pollution ear or a global warming a scale that you know impacting all of humanity. We're talking about the small game called worst racing and breeding and and. I don't think there's one group that you'd say. Hey you shouldn't be breeding horses weird that way you know again. I like small books. I don't have a problem with that. But overreach you know is the element that i'm concerned about here and i'm just reminded about Something from years ago when Way ron carey script farm. You have a mayor from that family. One of your marriage has spread by raymond ron carey. Yeah well to me right. Yeah and you know he. he was from connecticut. Obviously script dr out when lock. Mark and windsor wins. Which stands for windsor locks. Exactly my dad. Ron carey dad's in construction and And worked a lot with ron carey over the years. Oh no kidding though. Sure yeah Well anyway it was You know got can i he. He knew another guy connecticut And that's the owner mr prospector as co stable. And so when this prospect you hit big and in florida he was. He bought a share in that horse. And when i got moved to Clayborn you know it was breathing would send me over there. And there was one year for that. I could just imagine the look on seth hancock face when he sent the daughter of mr prospector. Who play burned to breadth mr prospect and so hancock realized this is a shareholder in the stallion. He was appalled by what the guy was doing. But he honored the business contract. And he honored ron carey's desire to try whatever he wanted to. You didn't like it. But he brought her daughter. Mr prospector mr prospector. So that the fall was won by two Domestic prospect inbred one by to let it get and you know We're getting to the point now where You know the jackie club is essentially saying you can't do this kind of stuff on on a on a macro level of forces chang it but You know again i think. Do i think that there killed much. Yeah i do. I do think so. I think that you know dilute quality by doing it but again You know. I support the rights of people. Do it Because until You know there hasn't been anything illegal in doing that. And as far as i'm concerned generally The idea of inbreeding You know the third is in breath. It's extremely inbred like he said You know until somebody shows is some data that we can actually And the jackie should presented that data to people. You know i think it's it seems Pretty one-sided that they were able to you know. just say we're doing this and there's a lot of skepticism and cynicism about the motives and that's reflected in his lawsuit. Which actually you know. I was stunned. At how explicit. They laid out the You know the the case. I think in one section it said Or here i have family. It said here Actually named names. It says here. Many of stewart folk many of the stewards had adopted the stallion and they're currently serving jackie. Board of stewards themselves have conflicting economic interests owning and or representing various competing racing breeding private entities such stonestreet farm barbara banke shan stables ever dobson cena alive stables vinnie viola jumped sucker stable. That's that's stephen dunker stables. that's height who's he's an executive with equities ocala dud. That's the foul myself and darby began. Farm john philip and lane's end farm of course fashion whose economic interests will be served by the stanley cup. Pacha pretty big shot right all out war. well it seems I'm gonna. I'm gonna come up with another Another second godfather reference to the morning a- as as clemenza says it's okay. We gotta have these every couple of A bad blood perfect. Now because you know underneath this veneer of kentucky the power ty- and everybody loves each other. You know this game as being played on these farms and the guy smiling. Hey how you doing family and you know they go back and they sound of. Silence is on their watch. The much like The first hours Story with arlington. We'll see if there's You know an act three What's going on there. or you know an epilogue and the same with this It'll it'll proceed through Through the circuit court. I a couple of minutes said there. Two quick things. And i. Because i've got brian boucher at eleven As we coming up the app but the hall of fame. I don't know if you heard You mentioned run happy. You mentioned in passing earlier had Visit with with mac last week and really it was about the you know about the situation in texas and his incredible largesse But i i wasn't going to miss an opportunity to to talk racing issues and and run happy with him to and you mentioned that you know these three year olds running and we brought this up in the last few weeks that it was very clear that the question i've got is it. It will the the way the horses are showing up now as as they turn from two to three. I will it help him in this next round of selling or is org. Will there be people that see this. And you know that that had been a little ambivalent about breeding to him. This year will they. Will they reconsider that. The how how does how does these. These three year old runners. How does it Benefit him in the marketplace first off. I just wanted to say My my friend bernie sanders that Craving that. I'm very thrilled for him. And as i am for Walker handcock who you know. A lot of respect for that seth. Hancock son It's that easy to take over major farm like this you know and Separated at a young age. Now it's done is done at a young age story farm and it's great to see this type of success because cravings is one of my favorite farms just for historical importance as well as it stands some excellent sounds warfront being a top one How does it help. Well what happens is when he goes to bed at first year usually get the best coca mares. We're seeing these horses right now at three running the first crap in the second crop. Usually they get the you know not as good a book but a pretty decent book as well. And you have third and fourth props you know by the time as downing has three. He's in fifth season at stuff. So as a reference earlier you know those three four five years are tough years for what they've done is they've dropped waist instead fee from twenty five thousand ten thousand and with the number of winners that we seem spring as the breeding season heats up. It's really opportunity for him. I think he's gonna get a lot of action at ten thousand I think people are going to go back to. I don't think he's going to have you know he's not going to get the same of marriage that he got that first book. But that may be A good thing because people might realize that this point. Hey you know what needed different types of may maybe or whatever we need to handle different You gotta have You know he's gonna get married. She's here ten thousand. There's no question about it. The good thing about farm. Like and another reason. I like the farm. They do give it a shot. You know they're not you know they're not gone before the two year olds of already raised Were as what happened with california chrome or at end of their two year old season as what happened with daredevil and daredevil i bring up a good example because daredevil was first two year olds ran and they had. He had nothing going for him. You know serve mc nineteen or twenty marriage and year and things were looking bleak for them for their fifth year so they sold voice at the age of you know the first two year old had run isn't turkey and the three year olds. Come out and you get with skydiver. And she dares the devil when the Preakness and the oaks kentucky oaks respectively. Swiss skydiver becomes the champion and the voice comes back now. It's the standards the property of the turkish jockey. Club their kids. You know where they they. People had cookies was his moves early. Because there was no patronage. Right if you went to what Claim did with the war. It they kept going with them. They kept going kept going until finally they were forced to sell For this season there was just no patronage and so the orb date finally did sell but they gave him plenty of opportunity and There's no offensive. But a bernie fact told me that One point he said you know He feels bad because or did a lot of people You know they all did and they gave it a ride and usually what you have to do is give you know you gotta go through that first and second book so you should. You should have some four year olds. Three year olds. Run before you can really make a pronouncement because those first book contain the best mayors possible and if he's any kind of horse he's gonna do that he's gonna get something done with that first book if that a two. Maybe three or four. They don't do that three or four. Are you going to make the stallion because you give it your best books of mayors that staring and then he's got to do something them so that's how that works. So we've you know we we've hit on this in different you know with different individuals over the years and and of course the probably a good spot to include The famous john Axiom is or was that continues to be that you you can't accurately judge a stallions a success until you've had seven crops and that's what that was the neighborhood We'll put one footnote to the near route comment and it was talking during a period when you know yet. Forty mayor books. So you're talking one hundred eighty course so say forty seven. That's two hundred and eighty foals right. These days i the second book third say you get that level right away. So that's that's the only difference. Said i did want to ask you about We're gonna run out of time here. But because i've got to get brian but in the back of your mind i do and we'll have plenty of chance down the road the the winner of the hyacinth on sunday Kind of interesting very Very female us Pedigree so we'll We'll talk about that one. When we get a chance. You got it. Yeah the kentucky derby prep japan. We'll talk next week. Exactly and just got a wonderful question from paul stevenson which i'm copying. You're not he's asking about genetically unique bloodlines and an arbor breeders looking for that. So we'll we'll fold that into our our. Our mailbag sids mailbag will. We'll call it. Sire watch pedigree focus brought to you by hill and dale and work thoroughbred consultants five one. Oh four nine. Oh eleven eleven five one four nine eleven eleven plenty of time for broodmare compatibility analysis and decision making. I talked to Laret this morning at rock ridge is gonna join us next week. He says they've had one baby a day at rock ridge down in hudson for twenty four straight days. 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How To Bet the Florida Derby 2020

How To Bet Horse Racing Podcast

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How To Bet the Florida Derby 2020

"This is the Tabet Horse. Racing horse racing podcast. Today we talked with Scott Shapiro about betting Saturday's Florida Derby. Now here's your host Ed Derosa Florida. Derby Week is here. Certainly has a different vibe to it but the race held up extremely well. Given all the circumstances we got a purse cut at the great and points remain the same as a prep for the Kentucky Derby though a very different look and Holiday Beach Florida this weekend. This is more the destination than the path. I think and we'll be talking with my guests this week. From twin spires bed America and my colleague on the Churchill Downs simulcast show Scotch Shapiro. Scott you've been doing a lot of racing handicap and lately. I'm sure you're ready for this. Yeah really excited at about the card. Even though I have a different feel than normal gotten through the back half of the card and spent of course a lot of time on the grade one seven hundred fifty thousand dollar Florida Derby so ready to dive in fourteen fourteen th of fourteen races and lacks last six makeup that mandatory payout pick six which assuming it does not get hit on. Friday. Have to think we're probably looking at eight figure pool. Ten Twelve fifteen million. Who knows what kind of money is out there in circulation This would I believe be the second round of the NCAA tournament so Obviously sad not to have to watch and wager on America but Probably wouldn't be talking to you right now if that were going on so thankful for the opportunity for your insight into this race. Yeah I appreciate it now yet. Pretty good actually. I would just take it a snare at Tomorrow's Card. Pretty Nice field sizes pretty high quality racing. Not sure if that was the plan. All along because Wednesday and Thursday were not very high quality As both of US know not even in terms of our success but just not great cards but hopefully it carries over and we get a Fun To play into and Yeah Bitter Suites Fun. Be fulltime horse racing but man. We're missing out on some good sports right now. Myo Hopefully they'll be back to the derby will be back on the postponed schedule and Did want to touch on that before we get into the meat of this Twelve force at least twelve horses and the Gate Field Gulfstream This is typically the final prep for a lot of horses into the Derby. Maybe if you needed points you could squeeze in a race like the Arkansas Derby if absolutely needed to the Lexington at keeneland but for the most part this is the last stop for courses like Tis Delara. Take Indian This year that's not quite the case would have to think any of these would get another race in before the Derby assuming that Goes is scheduled currently on September. Fifth Are you changing your approach to handicapping this race? It's still derby prep from a points perspective But all the sudden this became sort of a lot more important in terms of earning some purses without another big race. Five weeks down the road you know at. I don't think I am and Oftentimes I think of the Florida Derby because I think of gold stream this such a unique. See kind of if you will. We've seen a lot of horses Of course not always dreaming maximum security but in past years we see a lot of what stays at Gulfstream. What happened to go? Stream stays at Gulfstream and I think a lot of these sources are horses for the core so never really thought of it in terms of that. Of course it's always be used as a hopeful stepping-stone towards the Kentucky Derby but even particularly when I look at this field Maybe you can make the argument to the sixty five favoritism law would be looking at it from a little bit of a different perspective but otherwise seemed like these connections. These are good. These are horses that I certainly want to win this race But did you do make a good point. And maybe it'll be different line of thinking but Didn't really think of until you brought it up to be totally honest. Yeah now see. Some people weighing heavily on trainers who can point toward a race and others. You know. Maybe this is the race and it's it's a blurred line anyway because it's not like you don't want to win a great one. Let's say a million dollar race in the case the Derby Warren five weeks But yeah it was just starting to kind of popped into my head 'cause DISTURBING TRAILS. GonNa look a lot different. Come summertime thought for this race in particular Because there is the obvious favorite and then in my mind behind him to choices In that maybe a couple of others behind them so rather than go top to bottom. I did think we just start with the the obvious. Favourite go from there and that is tis. The laws you mention His performance in the Holy Bull Wild me Not Typically a big visual guy but I thought that was really impressive coming off the loss in the Jockey Club. Churchill and his three year old debut at thirteen to ten. He did it without my backing. Thought he had the look within over bat voice in that race certainly got the job done and he laid off. While it's a Indian came back in one actually think oh probably be outdone in here not even six to five but with twelve horses if you love him. Maybe you get the price you want. But I'M GONNA try to beat him at a small it a short price even given what we saw the Holy Bull. Yeah you He definitely sold me a little more. I think I was a little more on his bandwagon but not nearly as much as others After the two year old campaign especially after the Kentucky Jockey Club. But it's definitely so me more I after the Holy Bull. But I kind of Grouping these three horses together and I have a little bit of a hard time understanding the difference if one's GonNa be even money and then pay Indian and an independent targeted be. What four to one. I don't I don't see the differential and maybe in terms of just pure talented. The law is is significantly. Better That that's debatable. First off but I'm a little bit of worried about a couple of things firstly. I'm not so sure. He's completely mentally figured it out. It seems like either Manny Franko. Hasn't totally figured him out yet. Or this is just trouble prone because he seems to have gotten caught in tough spots just about every race so far and I kind of thought maybe he would be mentally maturing. Perhaps he is. I'm not you know the best in the world watching workouts but he did look a little quirky when I watched his workout rain into that on TV And still saw little quirkiness with the way he moves and whatnot. So drawing seven whole is is normally that might be A great a great spot for many horses kind of middle of the field. But the way draws in this field he draws inside of a lot of forces that are have tactical or speed horses that Tae obviously the far outside but if you look at my first Grammy Independence Hall Candy Tycoon. Sassy but smart. You could argue. They're all quicker if they want to be out of the gate. Tis The law or equally. Quick some kind of wondering what kind of trip it's GONNA lead to for. Tis The law who I would not like to see get caught between horses with delays acted so with a perfect trip. I think he's the one that beat. I'm not going to actively fade them. It sounds like like you. I'd never met him the win. But in terms of the way I'm mostly GonNa play the card which is horizontally. I'm probably GONNA COP out here and use all three Just the way it shapes up a couple other horses. I'm GONNA single on a couple of places where I'm against the favourite so but I won't be rooting for most likely either. Yeah that's a good point about the type of trips. He's had a really not a strong as path when you had that target with that day in in the The Holy Bull. And you know we saw what what he's capable of that kind race but then in the Kentucky Jockey Club at three to five You know varying degrees of how much that trouble cost him in terms of maybe being able to get the win But nevertheless just never looked comfortable down inside and you know from that Middle Post It seems like what's the lesser of two evils Z. Ganda being wide to stay out of trouble or is he going to get that insight trip like he got in the Kentucky Jockey Club where we're clearly just You know Kinda battled with his his rider before getting room. So yeah. There's there's just enough questions to me that it. Let's say even money in this size field with some real talent in here. I just don't think he went half the time. I'm with you on that I think is going to be an underlay and if I were to leave any of the three horses off my tickets because of budget or just because of I think maybe it looks to chalky when I really boiled. You know finalized them. He would be the one because of that and one last thing. John Doyle had I had my guest today on the. Who Do you like podcast? We went over the sequence. He made a good point about Gulfstream. Being extra tough with kickback. In this probably not liking kickback to buy Ge- and he might get some from that spot so the trip is probably most concerning to me. Not The talent Well Speaking a trip part of that of course is based and One of the To Me Obvious. Second Tier Choices in terms of how the wagering will shake out is at Indian who was second To his law in the Holy Bull and then just lit the Fountain of Youth From an outside post so he's sort of been there done that Just went on with it under floor. Roof Seems like maybe a lot more company upfront this time and You know the outside post even though he's done it. Different dynamic stretching out to amoun-. An eighth year and You know four to one isn't terrible especially if you're looking at even money on Tis the law But to me another one that I think she's going to take too much money relative to his chance with all the extra speed signed on. Yeah I could see it on either way and I think like you said the price would be key. If you're thinking about a win wager but I definitely think he's the fastest early earn in here. You have a couple more cheap type speed horses. You Got Chivalry drawn down the inside and I guess go through the field so not to mention them all but I think that a similar a similar aggressive approach in this horse has been a great gate horse and all three starts going Dating back to December twentieth dirt starts. I don't see why he doesn't make the lead again. And Yeah I mean I remember. We were pretty. You know anyone handicapping. The Fountain of Youth was was little bit concern at the very least with that far outside. Draw time That ended pretty quickly when he crossed over and just lay down wall. I see that very much in the realm of possibility. I don't think he's necessarily at a a regression candidate by any stretch. He's kind of been running the same race as the last three races. If you look at his Brisbane that speed ratings one. Oh three one zero four one zero three so while visually looked like he was you know ran the race of his life in the Fountain of Youth. He really he really didn't he took you know he's been Nice. Just staying in good solid form and I think he's got pretty much as good a shot as anybody. Yeah really consistent. You mentioned the final time. Speed Rating And then the the pace lightings are similar is always been on the front end Which sometimes with horses. Maybe they run off for the Jockey. Tries to rate them on the front end in. You know you kind of get a variance of pace ratings. We saw that with no parole. Who suckered me into into the rebel? But this one's just steady hundred eight hundred ninety nine on the dot his last three late pace rating so definitely speaks well to me of a of a good horse which we already know But I am a little worried. We'll see what the price ends up in the wind tool But I do have him below the two most interested in using and does be in that. We both contribute to various social media channels of twin spires etc. I know that we have a mutual affection for the next four. So who I think. has a great chance to get the right trip based on what we saw in the SAM. F Davis I feel like the Gulfstream Park Service. Surface is kinder to this one's running style and I liked it to Tribeca gave this one some time after that racer Tampa talking of course about independence hall never liked to see a loss that seven to ten But I thought the winner there got the trip. I thought he ran. Fine in the Tampa Bay Derby so you know. No major concern there But a similar horse that that has A look that might get. I jumped on the the horse's like Tis. The law behind him The pace collapsing in front of them. independence hall. It's my pick. Yeah it sounds like you're a little more bullish on than I am but he is my lukewarm top pick. I went back and forth quite a bit between him and Indian and like I said him. Tis The law. Give an equal chance of winning maybe slightly more but given the odds I just Kinda well with independence hall. I think it'll be a little bit of a better price than even at a Indian could be wrong Have the concern I have with. Independence Hall is is his ability to relax I know much can be made of positively or negatively of that effort that you spoke of when he lost seven ten in the SAM. F Davis I think the negative is that he didn't relax well. Jose Ortiz had to move a little earlier than he wanted the positive obviously being the the fraction that he ran into. And still you know. Finish pretty strong in that race to get second too late running. Soul Valenti I think I guess. I'm hopeful that fluoride Andrew gets out of the gate in kind of clears over and that Joel Rosario on independence hall can can sit. Second be a little bit more of a factor than anybody else was last time in the Fountain of Youth with a Indian I think that's independent halls. Best chance of winning. Maybe they can line up one to without any of the other cheaper speeds if you will be much of a factor because I think the further they separate the better chance it gives his the law of running them down and having a clean trip maybe some other horses as well but as we've mentioned probably the top three there so that kind of my hope. What my thinking was I when you speak of you. Know where we about our top picks and a couple of social media settings and that was the hope in thinking with independent tall Definitely think he can take a step forward Pretty sure you probably looked at. The RAG isn't sheet which both of us very much into it looks like. His best efforts are are good enough to beat even his the laws best effort so far right right. Yep Yeah that was definitely the deciding factor because I do think from a few just say. What percentage chance do these horses have of winning? They're you know they're obviously very close. I'm not trying to make the argument. That independence hall is clearly the most likely winner over the two. We've already discussed and others will get to but Looking knowing that I felt they were even knowing the price as you noted The she was too for me. The final the final call because On Brits Net speed ratings admittedly the Nashua is certainly fast enough to content. Here is a two year old race so figure maybe s an improvement Sam Davis was about their But in the sheet really sorta magnified that for me and that's typically been a powerful three year old angle for those who Familiar with the numbers form cycles is when they get back to that two year old race and then hopefully breakthrough in the next. I think we're getting the right price to bet on a breakthrough. Yea I guess the other concern that I did mention it. I don't know if I have it in a mile and an eighth at Gulfstream as much as I would. Moving forward is just how far this horse really wants to go. The pedigree certainly isn't there. I Lo- Constitution. Maybe proving it wrong but the average win distance for both the CIDER and the dam on the bridge net Pp's is six point six which doesn't scream out you know a classic distance horse but And visually again just really wanted to see him relaxed. And I think he's got a rider that could really Really help that out to a resort. Oh great finisher good at getting horses to relax forward to seeing him running in hopefully getting the wire I for us the I. I still don't know how we got. Nador home in the in the rebel of which you know some will see that eighty to one. Kelly met horse and second in and say well. He should beat a horse like that. But I mean horse was the last one standing after You know through the Kitchen Sink Adam and certainly Joel deserves a lot of credit for making that happen after being in a tight spot on the rail early and probably having to use a little horse to make sure he kept position so To to me the right rider after what we saw in the SAM. F Davis and We we agree on the top three. We even agree on the one to use at the relative prices. It does sound like maybe a divergence here Because like you. I'm looking mostly horizontally on. This car does much as I do would love to jump into a vertical wager given the twelve horsfield. I just really have no opinion that separates from the obvious horses that I really want to zero in on at least at this point But but GOUVERNEUR Morris He's a horse. I pretty much one on every ticket. I think to get live to at eight to one morning line and I do think there'll be a slight separation by no means. Am I suggesting he'll be an order of magnitude ten twenty times more than some of the others but I do think there's a line From him to the three contenders we've already talked about The the raw time speed ratings not great But it did seem and we're talking about another constitution here but this one's out of an unbridled Song Mare. It did seem sheet wise. There was maybe some opportunity To move forward to a competitive number At this mound in eighth distant so to me I thought he had the the look of you. Know another course. That's usable that figures to win this race enough times to make them worth putting on the multi-race tickets will I to speak of the separation. He'll give you if you get to that final leg with him. I think it'll be significant. I think A lot of tickets will probably single to the law. I think the next tier of tickets will use all three of those. They'll probably obviously there'll be some pick and choose two of the three while Guvener Mars might be easily the fourth most commonly used horse. I think like you said there's definitely significant separation in the amount of tickets. It'll be on. It'll probably be very obvious in the in the Willpower. As unless it's just chaotic events beforehand where it can really be random The will pays outside of his law would be but I but yeah you probably remember. I've been pretty high on this worse. I mean everybody was high on debut at Saratoga in the slop the mandatory payout and member. He wanted three two three two five that day and then came back against Max field was no match for him. But that was a very good effort by Max Field and nothing to really be upset with It the the rates of Tampa from a visual perspective was hard to get excited about but yet I've seen a lot of good todd. Pletcher horses user race data Tampa not look that dominant and move forward off it and just watching the horse pedigree aside. I don't have the same concerns. I have about him. Getting the distance fact I think the further they go probably be better forum. He's got a little bit more Little bit stronger on the damn side in terms of pedigree but more just watching his stride and kind of seeing how we raised in Tampa last time and just the way pletcher trained him. I don't have a real concern about that Yeah I mean it would be again. If you're looking at it from a win perspective. I need to get the right price because he does need to take a step forward to even be in the in the same conversation as those three horses that I think are legitimate top tier three year olds but I definitely see why he would be your horse. And maybe your second favorite to gamble on any Any top choice for you outside of the the contenders who everyone knows who they are. Now I mean I think from top choice. He's definitely my next horse Guvener Mars. I've had them in my Kirby top ten for awhile and I still do and you hear you talk about it and it's probably GonNa be a horse that when all said and done I have some sort of way to be alive to maybe less less. Combinations or needing. More as if you're that's how you play to get to him but Yeah he's he's the the extreme fourth choice for me in terms of win ended. You know how much that pains me to say. I really would love to have a twenty one that I think has at least a twelve to one chance of winning the race or even a I mean yeah. It was very little bit frustrating to see what I thought was such separation with the top top horses in such a big field. Now I agree and Mostly horizontal player by nature. What I like to play number one but just feel comfortable focusing on The win and And not going race to raise trying to fill out down to fourth in some cases but with the twelve horsfield. And you know really all the attention and hopefully the sports world but certainly racing world on this race. it's going to be a juicy pool in the verticals as well but I just I know where to lean You know maybe try to two key some horses with the obvious that you know twenty one or higher last year. Bodey express with sixty to one and he kind of figured you know maybe get the right setup on the front end and he did end up holding on But this is a race. I mean we'd Yeah. He's twenty one morning line but you know he sorta everyone's thought well he's the one who can clunk up and you know. I'd rather beat him out of the super for that reason Disc JOCKEY. I guess with Bodey meister out of a beret. Go Maher you know. He makes his to turn debut here. I could see that going. Well he does have an interesting brisk net speed pattern Maybe improves so I kind of looked at him. And then candy tycoon. I liked the Horse. Who is Fourth the Chad Brown Horse in the Fountain of Youth Yes thank you so I guess. Candy tycoon some interest at the price to Doubt Heavier Castellano be writing Have you heard who they've switched to? I have not heard that yet. let's see wealthy. Franko is Johnny Johnny vs on on someone or Guvener. Moore's law that's right. Yeah Yeah so none of his three previous who knows who ends up on him but actually it could only help his price You know it'll be a name that no one's going to be like Oh man. How did they get? Yeah I got one. He's got this jockeying I could It's funny obsolete as you you may or may not know. I was high on him after that REMM. Send your favorite race Because he raised against the flow. That day shot ski crawled and and Chase. Tracker was was prominent. I thought obsolete finished grade in evidence by the Brisbane that late pace rating one or two but And you could make the case that maybe just didn't fire Tampa but he's just seems to slow To me to really WANNA get too involved in disc jockey was a little bit interesting to me Like you mentioned the positive From from the figure standpoint prisoner even even the rag isn't she pretty positive but he made wide moves in those races and they were one turn races so and the Barn Saffy Joseph Juniors kind of slowed down a little bit So it's a big step upper lot worse but I guess if I needed to to give out an underneath price key I probably take my chances with disc jockey. I think he'll be up closer than you normally is. Maybe Tyler can get kind of that pocket trip and get I mean. If he works out a perfect trip maybe the horse could get the mile on an eighth and Kinda clunk along because he should surely is proven that he likes the race track here which is always a positive so And then ask seen on TV it to me just looks like a one turn horse. I Dunno you didn't mention him. He's got some pretty big numbers. You're not interested at him and all. Yeah I just was thinking with the rail and you know some of the speed. We talked about that. I do think will be a factor that may be at Indian can overcome Not so sure about some of the others in this race though The you know the deuce to his outside Chivalry Is going to be a potential factor. Upfront and he's run to turns wants but said you know pretty much been a sprinter I just thought it was a difficult task down on the rail in a full field. So it's more you know now that we're talking through it. Which is you know. Part of What I like you know about this format with the podcast as you sort of. Get an idea of what maybe you can do. Is You know as seen on TV. Don't want it all And then I think some of the front ends you. You pitch completely obsolete I think Oh sorta be. Everyone's clunk up type so you know maybe you're only left with three or four twenty two one horses and that's the gamble you just stick them in half the super fact a slots and hope two of the four that you know or true factors to win. Don't fire at all and you know. Obviously it's gambling for a reason but you know you're looking to squeeze value out of the Para Mutual Pool with the twelve horsfield. You'll usually get something if your ideas right at a price. Yeah the one side and kind of Chime in on was a candy. Tycoon is he twenty one of these twenty two one that you were talking about. Or is he a little lower? I didn't look at the magazine. Twenty yeah so here's the thing with him. I think he's going to be a popular horse much like we try to get in there People were sort of on them after. Maybe that light bulb kind of made win. That was a really bad field. He beat on January twenty fifth. I tried to beat on that day with the other pletcher. GimMe some Mo- and look like they were going to run one two and we were gonNA. I was GonNa go by mini tournament. Turn me away. GimMe some Mos- in the morrow in the turf race stores and broken his maiden and then that last race he saved ground the whole way around With a hot with the pace where the horses underneath. That were a lot of horses. Were not finishing all that well to put it. I guess nicely other than the winner. He won a four horse blanket. Finish for second so easily could have been fifth especially if he was in the position where he's going to be on Saturday which is outside not inside so I don't know if they're going to send 'cause I mean if not he could get caught in no man's land and he really cannot afford to have that happen and like we said we don't know who the jockey is going to be but He's a horse. I've got very little interested. He's not fast enough so far so we need to take a step forward as well so Yeah I mean maybe you could find like the maybe I mean my first. Grammy looks a little bit against it. Sodas Soros I mean I'm just right you know you look at it and you think unless there's bad trips it just looked kind of chalky Not to say that a ten to one twelve. One can't get in there but when you start to look at the long shots there really a lot of them are up against it and Sometimes I'll plot out the optics plot but Spreadsheet plot of one hundred twenty one exact combinations. And you know if you have a fair outlined to win That's a good starting point to kind of mess around with some exact is get twelve horsfield. You kinda think man. If I can catch the super you know just even one price in there with one of the favorites out can can blow it up but you know maybe if too many people are you know boxing. Three or four horses doing stuff like that and you know that. There's an opportunity may be. You know the the Gouverneur Morris over at Indian exact as paying. Let's say twenty five to one. Well maybe that's just you know you pick and choose your spots in the exact pool. 'cause the twelve horses and over bet his law and I don't mean over bet like he can't win but just be the favourite and I think that's the money will be more than his actual odds of winning. You know they're just has to be value somewhere and takes discipline to find it but I think these are the type of spots were. It's worth putting in the time to try to find it and gamble a little bit now. That makes sense. I I think you Kinda just just even if you're not gonNA do as much work as you're saying which is obviously ideal. I think playing exact combinations without his the law with three other horses that we mentioned you don't have big three-horse exact the Bocskai with the second third and fourth choices. But let's say you just decide your independence hall with box with the Indian gouverneur Morris. You know I think you'll you'll do fine there because it's a big field. Who's going to be a lot of money spread around? There's an even money shot. You're trying to beat so All these are almost exclusively sticking to this race particularly from the horizontal perspective. But that would be my approach. It's I if someone handed me money and forced me to bet on the race. All right I was A. I'd love for that to happen. Then I'd take a few shots. Ed this is a stick up that does segue Did want to ask you. We're not going to go through the racist. We'll put a link to your podcast In the description for mine people WANNA deeper dive into that mandatory. Pick six would be remiss if we didn't get a a lean in a long shot from you in the sequence. Obviously both are important when talking about the picnics. Even at the top level. You gotta you gotTa make some hurdles for yourself as our friend. Itt would say and if you clear lows hurdles give yourself a shot With with some horses. You're gambling on a little bit. So what does that look like for you in the sequence? I'm going with an early on early. Hurdle allow raise nine the first leg the sand springs. I'm going with a single in that race. And that's going to be against the returning newspaper of record who? I presume is going to be the favourite in there Look the morning line yet But I like number. Two zolfo could very easily be the second choice I thought she is been breathtaking with her. Turn of foot. Basically since coming over to the states for Trader Brandon Walsh three straight winds from off the pace than last time at fairgrounds in the Albert Stall Memorial there Track favoring inside speed horses On the turf that day especially inside and She made a huge move despite that finished fifth on paper but it was a four horse blanket. Finish for second to. She's on the warpath who came back and won and got a perfect inside trip under chantal. Sutherland that day so a lot of speed in this race we Joel Rosario who we just talked about one of the best finishers if not the best in the game inside draw really likes fell We'll be betting to win on her as well as singling her into sequence and then in terms of a long shot It's it's I I don't I guess I could give out a particular one. There's one race to meet. It looks most ripe. I think there's a couple of races where maybe the favorites vulnerable. But don't have a long shot that I like to be but let's go to the thirteenth. Which is the fifth leg. And that's the APPLETON stakes. I'M GONNA use four or five horses here. My top pick is number one English be but I think number nine louder than bombs horse that raised here in Kentucky last year and then appeared in Florida for the first time since the previous spring For the Canadian turf would I start as a four year? Old Can really come role in late. I like the riders which Joe Bravo. That he got last time was almost fifty to one in a race. That was kind of weirdly Ron with ghee to Running off basically in that race and another blanket. Finish but I think ladder. Bob's has some upside is shown a liking for this turf course and should be taking another step forward on Saturday. I think fifteen to one is the morning line price. Yeah I forget how bullish was on almost fifty to one in the The Canadian turf. But it's a pretty big jockey change I thought with Bravo getting aboard and this is a Franks Jockey Angle. His Bravo sticks Which is Good to see. I mean I'm not trump out per -tunities yelled elsewhere in the field but nevertheless Gave this one a good ride After you know some some dubious Efforts on the way our man he killed us today. so Yeah I I'm I'm with you at that price for sure and agree this this race looks pretty ripe really competitive just You know the speed ratings are all right there so feels like a good opportunity to to try to beat the ones you're going to be on the majority of everyone's ticket Well Certainly a a good pick six Have to think You know regardless about top. You think it is. It's never easy to pick six and with the added money and all the attention certainly probably the the bet of the day Among the North American tracks going. And hopefully you'll you'll have a sliver for me to into definitely. I think it's I think it's pretty edible. I mean obviously. I think there's some horses you can lean on some of these These pick sixes specially a Gulfstream You could. It could be very difficult to find those horses. You or hurdles or however singles however you WANNA call it but I think there's some to lead on. I think there's races where on the couple can win. So I think there's a chance to Hit a pretty good ticket not gonNA be a life changer. But one that I feel more confident putting in in some of the others. I'd done and really we're just kinda hoping for the best now would you say is was breathtaking like Elaine or the baby. Don't even add to that all seriousness. O- On that rain a newspaper erector. Would I know you and I both liked to Topeka's the workout reports. When they become available would bury high marks from Bruno. Make you at least craft a backup ticket or if you already your plant your flag regardless yeah. I mean just because for work so a workout with a horse like that. I guess if Bruno Gate it'd be more about description if he said he thinks she's really figured out how to relax because her workouts could be awesome at six five furlong six furlongs but there's a lot of other speed in there and she really relaxed. Yeah those three races last year when she bird money and burn and again Bernard Again. It was about not relaxing. Obviously there's a ton of talent and a ton of you know natural speed there but can she relaxed. Can she avoid getting caught up in a dual issue? Going to be just faster than everybody like. He wasn't too I just I. It's one of those chances where I'm just GONNA probably after lead on. I'm glad I like a horse in the race because it'll allow me to single against her instead of playing this big ticket spreading against her and you know I'll come back into pick five as told me today on the jury come back in the pick. Five yeah I I'll be fading or if he wins out I won't win. Yes she I mean. We know she takes money. I mean nine to five Maybe more last yeah. That's our morning line fell. She is nine to two please. Second Choice Also the prime power tab so like yes. She's got higher prime power. Yeah I seventy two or higher will be will be a win bet on the horse. Most looking flagging. I've only looked back half of the car. But but that's my horse today so far all right. I like it Horse of the day to kick off the pick six Opinion against the favorite somewhat for you definitely for me To close it out but hopefully With prices in the APPLETON and some other races even. Tis The law would would be Not Too bad But he won't have my money. I'm definitely wanting to lean just to to summarize back on the Florida Derby. I'm definitely leaning on Independence Hall and Gouverneur Morris Definitely expecting a a good race. And hopefully we all enjoy it tuned. In on NBC. Sports and twin spires. Yes it'd be a great day much-needed busy day of racing with high quality animal so really looking forward to escape and of course even without the current climate. I'd be looking forward to it just as much. You did the Picnics. And your podcast again. Up with that link in my description any other blog post actually look out for to include doing a wagering strategy for Saturday yet Albie. They'll be one up tomorrow for the for the for the for the mandatory rainbow. And then I'll be doing it on twin spires blog as well as I'm doing. I'm writing one on an earlier sequence that I'm still sorting out that W writing tomorrow morning all right. Well we'll look out for that. We'll we'll add accordingly as they become available but Appreciate the time and I think we're both going to go watch the hamptons episode of Seinfeld now breathtaking times. We say things to be nice. That's a great platter all great but yeah they're all great Scott Shapiro. 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"Raises with steve. Horse racing handicapping interviews. This is steve. We're back our to thanks to cab and Glad we worked through some of the the phone issues. It is pretty amazing. You can call singapore and talk. Get a pretty Pretty readily once. We tried the different number Things smooth out nicely. And it's a lot easier to call brooklyn and Reach sin fernando for sire. Watch pedigree focus brought to you by ill and dale said. Good morning run. Excellent and I got a couple of things for you. Yeah it's a very good. Now i I do wanna talk to you obviously about concert tour because you're intimately involved But i i didn't get a chance with the opening. And we had a little hiccup. I didn't get a chance to address the the sort of the aftermath of yesterday's conversations with Brian kelsey from that justice. law center and the hp lawsuit challenging. He so and i i wanted to ask your some of your reaction said and an. We've we've talked about where this is you know seemingly headed and and in all likelihood Some version of he said will will go forward But i i was really yesterday in the aftermath in the maybe it's now what thirty six hours since monday afternoon when the legal challenge was I made public. Some of the reaction said to me are really problematic I in in the characterization the choice that seems to be made That if hp hp and horsemen are challenging the legality of that means Somehow there for cheating and a nother irresponsible piece of writing that paints horsemen negatively. And i i'm. I'm really amazed that that is a choice. Being made a instead of trying to understand the concerns that not just horsemen but in breeder should have about the way in which this thing is is being implemented and potentially administered to and i it essentially. It's a a a system that's being turned over more or less to the jockey club to steer to steer the sport without any knowledge of what that's going to entail and i for people just to say. Oh this'll be great. I it's unbelievable to me that nobody wants to discuss or or you know. Have a a a useful conversation about what the parameters are going to be i. It's amazing not to mention have a discussion about the expenses. So everybody's just ready industry-wide just to say to have it dictated to you that your your owner your breeder europe horse player. You're paying for this and if you don't like it go find some other something else that bet on which by the way is going to be on an increasing basis a lot easier to find other things to bet on. I it to me. It's disgusting and i'll i'll specifically the bill finley tbn supposed- op. Ed it was as a responsible and and nasty a concept to basically. Just say well. If you're a horseman you and your against the this thing going forward you must be for the cheaters. It's just a just a simple tins approach. you know. you're i missed the show that you had that you reference the looking guys. I'm going go back and listen to some very interested in the topic It's funny because i actually been chatting with somebody about it this morning. And i had no idea you were gonna ask me about today But a couple of things As far as that article by bill you know. I i found it to be disappointing in the sense of how painted horsemen I just you know with the black and white issue one side wearing white had the other side one cat you know. So it's just i found it I found it Distasteful however you know what what everybody seems to not understand is that this his Law act was actually passed right so the first off the act was half its law and it's going forward. Any legal challenges to this act are not gonna stop the sack. That's another thing that they put into the sink in other words while it's being challenged there's there's there's no slowdown in these act. Precedes us as long. So what. I don't like is when people write about this stuff in and i You scare tactics to say. Hey you know this is going to stop this thing from going forward. It's been delayed. Whatever july fifteen months from now it's gonna do. It's not delaying anything. It's it's an act is passed. Congress signed by president trump when he was tacked onto that omnibus bill annex. It goes forward now with as with any law and i think people fail to understand a lot of you know if you're talking to me about rocket science or brain surgery you know i'm not gonna put my two cents into because i'm not an expert in it. The same thing with some of these legal issues people that are writing about it talking about it fit to understand basic tenants and one is that it's slides go. It goes forward so let's leave that there now second thing any law can be challenged in court. It's the right of Anybody the doors. It's a right of somebody with stinks to do. I mean that's how our system is set up. There's nothing wrong with that and if you're challenging it you out. So what just how. Things work in this country Things work under the constitution. It's happens work in this democracy and it's how things are canoe new system. So what does gets down to is. His hintze was something that was lobbied heavily for by the jackie club over a period of years through various incarnations particular bill. Everybody knows about it. Horse racing integrity act went through several revisions. And finally it got pushed through november. Mitch mcconnell You know. I don t but as that argument was taking place steve where people fail to understand is that opponents to it which essentially hp they opposed it not because they are four cheating the for drugging or therefore everything they're being accused of. It was simply they did not want to lose the ablaze six and that is always been their number one point right. Whatever side you're on. Let's not confront this with good guys bad guys. Let's just understand that they didn't want race issues taken away and that's why they oppose his bill now. The bill went got pat. It's done flaw right Now here's where Get into some of the weeds on this thing. I i've written about this. In fact i wrote a piece in two thousand nineteen feb worry Where actually pointed out that even if this thing gets passed it's going to have to withstand some legal challenges and constitutional. Now what. I didn't like with bill. Finley said is that don't care about the constitution. Good horseman don't care. I mean that's ridiculous. I mean you want to have hit the legal. A law that You know quote unquote. Is there to weed out the cheaters. If it's based on an unconstitutional principle and can be struck down later. That's why there's always tests now the real test and if you want to get into the weeds and you know it's got nothing to do drugs or anything. It simply has to do with one segment of the tenth amendment which has to deal with what's known as the anti commandeering principle in other words congress cannot overreach and infringe upon state's rights. And that concept. Is you know what this thing's going to boil down to and the guys that are challenging thing. They're doing this because it gets back to. They don't like this law because they feel it's taking away the one aspect which disrupt one's laser if if if the industry had come together and kinda hammered out something Together we wouldn't be having this infighting between groups right but the problem is it only comes down to lasix horsemen don't want cheating horsemen. Don't want drugs. Nobody wants it in there. And by the way when i'm speaking by them just you know it's i don't have a stake in this thing. I'm just observing and tanya that there's a heightened sense of hysteria on one side side debt has legislation that their outrage at somebody else is going to challenge it in court. You know when you get down to it as everybody remembers paths by which was which was a law that said. That states could not have Sports betting that was struck down and that that law that was struck down two thousand eighteen. I believe Murphy versus nc double a. That's the that's the basis of challenging thing because that thing was struck down because Supreme court in the sixty to join felt it was congressional overreach by telling states that they can't have you know legal sports betting their states. The irony is that it was struck down. And it's it's it's more prevalent now that the supreme court which strike down and uphold states' rights because the courts is stacked with a conservative judges in that ruling. The two dissenters were rpg. And so to my air okay so the to liberal guys actually wanted to uphold it the conservative element of it. That struck down okay because the conservatives are state's rights advocates and so under this climate Yeah the the people that passes law supported this law. The probably a little nervous that If this thing we winds its way to the supreme court it could be overturned on his hand type. Commandeering principal part of the tenth amendment on the composition of the court which is now leans more towards applauding types of Decision tonight so but violence winding its way to the court. That's separate from the law. That's in place right now. The law will continue to grow so say this thing goes on for four years. They're still going to have the his place and and that's a whole new set of issues that people are going to have to deal with as you referenced. The funding of hits a has not been ironed out It's basically set up for states to volunteer the fund this program to fun testing and and so forth while this private entity actually controls it. And this is where the issue of the tenth amendment comes into place. Is it appropriate that the states have to fund something in which they have no part in rescuing okay. The states are being to fund this. But they're not in charge of regulation normally in a federal bill. If you do have a private entity your a a federal agency that's involved in regulating industry it's funded federal the different tiers that the congress passes law appointed a private non-profit oversee it and then said you have to get your money from the state because the federal government is not gonna fund this and this is the big issue legally that they're trying to work As far as everything else goes I think that the Look everybody wants to have as clean game as possible and everybody wants to quote unquote weed out the shooting whatnot. That's a given. But i don't think it's fair to us A challenge to something that in my opinion does unconstitutional to Paint the challengers and quote unquote in bed with the crux. That's very fair Depiction and i think your outrage that you demonstrated before you let me talk is warranted. I just the the my referenced that the other day i mean the carpet bombing and the know. This is a i mean. It's it's class warfare which we've said from the start and it's also a war of attrition and hearts and minds and if the jockey club wanted a set out at the outset of all these of all the the lasix wars if the objective was to belittle and diminish the importance of the trainer in the equation well congratulations. You've you've diminished the the reputations of the entire training community by the constant drip drip drip and the painting of them as drug addled cheating scumbags. That if. that's what you wanted you've managed to do it. All you gotta do is listen to this view on twitter. How everybody's cheating doesn't matter how big the bard is doesn't matter how small everybody supposed to pretend that this a more fiqh unidentified entity is going to magically completely changed this equation is just a joke. It's a complete farce but go ahead go ahead and do you know have at it and You know if if it works. God blessed That's tremendous to me it. It it's gonna. It's come at an incredible cost that has just befouled the entire atmosphere around the sport and around the around horse play so and frankly i've said it before they're not going to be happy until the industry is is distilled down to a handful of meets at the elite level that they'll be thrilled to drive out the b and c tracks and to drive out the small backyard breeders and horseman. That's that's their goal. That's what they want. And that's what's so bizarre to ask you about the sales. What's so bizarre is how a certain segment seemingly the breeding community is all in with it. Well we'll see how you feel. When when the the marketplace has shrunk down to two seventy five hundred yearlings in ten years. Because there's only there's only saratoga and the breeders cup and and del mar and keeneland. That's what they want and to your point about This thing with the trainers those rather head-scratching piece that charlie hayward wrote Yesterday as well where you know he he's the head of the trt's you know The jockey club member And of course you know he took the stanford jockey club in it and a pointed out but this was really bizarre thing for to grounds. He started on cheating equated with high wind percentages and he put the wind percentages of trainers into goes nineteen in two thousand and twenty on their chart. And you know on that chart. Of course it has guys that were indicted like navarro and Service but it also has guys like chad brown and stuff and in two thousand twenty. It's got should mcgahee. So if i were segregation and i'm reading the article i'd be to find out that you're putting down because i have you know a twenty four percent win percentage is too high and and and navarro service on. I'm on it. And i'm the trainer for a janica the head of the jockey club. And what are you doing you know. This is the kind of the kind of the actions that are taking place. I just don't know if you know who comes up with these whether they have some kind of phone Conference don't conference or something and say okay guys. Today we send out the forces to go on podcast columns in we put out these notification and we hammer away a concerted effort to Talk about this and try to convince you know people. That really don't have any idea of what this is all about Try to sway public opinion But i find it to be kind of distasteful is in the approach that they're taking and you know let things play out and let's not use a broad brush to categorize everyone who's you know doesn't agree with your position as you know the enemy. I think we went through. You know four years of Existence where if you weren't You know with one group You're against him and it's a lot more complex than that people you know have used in which they agree with some people and they disagree with other. They disagree with the people that they agreed on some issues with it's all interrelated then Dishes as you know a line defined here. And there. I mean and you know twitter Is a terrific Vehicle as told before. I enjoyed my stay on it But it is big echo chamber that you know people are in and a lot of times. They don't have expertise in emotionally. They react to you. Know people have to get on there and say stuff any You know it's all part of the game to i wouldn't get too upset about it but it's it's a bigger issue and i think the issue that you brought up about Downsizing the business Not this about elite sports It's pretty obvious it. That's what people are trying to do. That are controlling the business and awesome it really How it's it's it's against their. It's against their best interest to do that. You know he catches have all the top leagues mates in where those horses supposed to drop down to once it down. I mean there's always useful life the horses as they come down the ladder and basically they're trying to take jobs away and Package with some. You know some grammars but eighty percent of the business warren court knocked grammars horsemen people tracks daily life. that's your lifestyle and you know jobs new giant. we'll follow it. I i just i you know. I tracked certain there's certain stories said that over the years that you get close to and that you're tracking and you you know elucidate You know the ins and outs of it. And one of them was one of them was the naira franchise and I reported on that extensively and gas tickly to try to have it presented. Factually as opposed to what was going on in in the media. And i go back to this. And i use this as a as a example the The albany times union and the new york post and other outlets continually portrayed the new york racing association in a incredibly negative light. They amplified any kind of potential corruption. Or actual you know actual you had the The mutual taylor Indictments seeing handful of Tellers that were involved in a scheme. they misreported the way in which the state legislature and a and the funding mechanism for the gaming Was in place. They constantly referred to a mechanism in that legislation that provided thirty million dollars in funding to naira as a bailout. When in fact it was a loan against revenues that the gaming was going to provide and of course nyra paid that back but yet if you were to go out and do a a survey right now and asked the public particularly in new york state. Now i suppose anywhere else did. Nyerere receive a bailout. It would be an overwhelming. Yes when in fact it didn't and i bring this up because when you when you constantly provide a big lie to pull from a current Ripped from today's headline example. If you perpetuate a big lie it it basically you know we lose its way into people's consciousness and no amount of factual reporting will offset that it it it just. It becomes like a public domain scenario right that. That's what's happened here with with with this. The the way in which the horsemen have been just incredibly brutalized. And and i think i think is even a conscious effort in all of this to even injure their ability to negotiate the signal which is like the one power that they have it there. There's a there's an overwhelming attempt to take as much power and authority and respect away from the horsemen as possible. And it's disgusting. Yeah it's In in society in general right now there's not just the racing but you know through the last four years There's a willingness of the general populace shoe go along with the dark area and you know Good some kind of ceiling that we need a dear leader to take over and right everything and fix it for us You know that's why when you when you hear about racing it's frequented frequently you know. We need a rating gracing jar. That might there absolutely clear speak. Yeah we need somebody take control and in this decentralized vacuum The jockey club has stepped up and they to a series of Things attempted to become the face of the game and they've done this with the stallion cap. You've done this with Lobbying for this Integrity act fu many years until it was finally passed. Listen when i say when. I'm speaking of them i'm not painting them in a negative light. You know I think smaller books are better for the industry. I think we should have integrity and entrusting in in a clean sport however paramount for me as an individual is. It's gotta be done correctly. You know work. We're a nation of laws right and we have right and so the rights of people should not be fringed upon she was sexually laws and in this case if somebody feels agreed they have the right to challenge that and because they're challenging that That shouldn't a they should be painted as part of the criminal conspiracy quote unquote that they're been painted as and so In in that sends you and i totally agree and that's independent of the speech of law. Now i was gonna say legislation. It is the law and You know this. This is going to carry forward. Wildly lawsuits pending. And let's see how long it takes shape because there's a lot to it that has not been Constructed properly at least money was passed. Surprisingly was passed with many parts of it including the park. You mentioned about funding a completely undeveloped and so They're gonna have to work on that as just set up your board structures and their organizational structures and and you know as they go work through that and you know The more power to them to to work on making medication in uniform and weeding out people. That might be cheating. But let's do this in the framework that's constitutional and bill family My my big disappointment it appearing him. Say something to the effect of horsemen. Don't care things constitutional. Well bro. Yeah right up and some of the care about that whether we agree with your principles or not you. Can't you know you can't be stuff that is unconstitutional. That's the basis of our website. Exactly and then the problem. Is that when you establish something in. This manner It it it it lays the groundwork to run roughshod in other areas and that that would be to me. That's what everybody should be concerned about. because You know i. They came for the tradesman Said a couple of things is let's touch on the early results and they're about to get underway day two of ob s and thanks for that Aside said i appreciate the after we sunday with altered concert to a real absolutely But you know some early impressions. I mean the again the top of the market very strong yesterday and You know quite a few outs after you know after. The breeze show says that You know didn't necessarily come back from the breezes the right way to to be put under gavel but what did sell sold. Well yeah. I mean if anybody go and take a look at the results of this and you know if you're going to take a look at the results of yesterday got a low price of four thousand for out work yet a bunch of horses that people don't talk about that so For less than one hundred thousand a bunch but then you had nine horse that so for five hundred thousand or more and that's what everybody talks about now nine nine horses y- obviously That's exciting to talk about I i heard you mentioned a unified earlier in. Shell said listen to and You know fight had one for five thirty yet. Another one. I think for four hundred thousand. He's a ten thousand dollar stallion at elaine. Then by candy ride on four of seven starts It was grade one place and one of the new york sprints at seven furlongs second but he won the great to peter pan now in for a long and and was also you know basically a sixty nine furlong. He's been he's been telling extremely well. And you mentioned That baffert and wizard We're mcpeek mckinney. Mcpeek yeah mckee could mentioned unified you recall yearly for his urine so by far the most expensive yearling. Excuse me last year was A four hundred fifty thousand Unified the three amigos bar. That's you know bob baffert three guys main event the event you came with s. Oh you mean Yes you know the the aren't The You know the guy in california and then white might be the pete room watson. Whiteman yeah exactly. Yeah those guys. That's the three amigos. They bought that hundred and fifty thousand unified last year. And so i don't buy. Backer was impressed with them last year. To so You know that that we've had these unified selling well. It's pretty big. I mean among the top. It was practically the only unproven horse amongst them. The violence at five fifty. You had the money that five fifty and that you're gonna fight his by dirty but then you have like warfront and some younger horses. Cairo prince win map. Could you know obviously had runners already. Interestingly the to intimacy of from five hundred thousand that's all went to eugene hockey gallois Who's a fairly new japanese owner. So we're going to see some Some high priced into mischief In in japan next year and the year after this year and the year after Other than that You know you're some solid prices for But then interesting and three amigos by the way the same group just reference. They also bought a tonal for three hundred thousand. A lot of money for tone. Yeah it'd be interesting for people who do follow the heroes to keep an eye on some of the some of the odd price courses like he's telling three hundred thousand and some of the new by unified had down there were. There were a number. You know it's obviously depends on how many from various particularly the new stallions. But i did notice you know some nice sell throughs. lord nelson who's Career was delayed by you know by the back injury and so now. He's getting rolling. I thought the american freedom sold three one sixty eight and forty five in fact mcpeek ball. One of the one for eighty connect had had a very good first day. Cupid clipped. mo- heyman practical joke. I mean a lot of the names that we attract through the yearling sales following through but It it should be another fun day today. I i enjoyed it. I and i was pretty impressed them. The numbers got posted early and and the and often in the with five hundred fifty being the benchmark. I'm looking forward to talking. Maybe to kip ulcer tomorrow afterward. Right now kip. is sitting with the the session. The and sale topper co Session in sale. Topper the violence colt that sold early yesterday. Forty eight so Along with that he will get the money Interesting about kipp because kipp had for a long time but not breathe me choices and telling him you know off slow slow works or the gallop's gallop and then come back with a nine four work and sale topper. Well you know he's got that client has got one client that that is that believes in the in the gallup concept And they're gonna you know. I think they're continuing. This is this was. This was another breeder client of of of caps with this violence. They guy does a great job. Great job all right. Let's turned to the topic at hand and of course we'll look at the louisiana derby field with you in a second but concert tour said and I thought resort areas ride. A big part of the success here was aggressive and And basically put Caddo river on the defensive and winds and it's a unique situation for the west to have bred this horse that they kept and do a bread. Life is good who they sold it and both these sources of has our company Twitter account sire watch but the other day were from the time. They were weaned when paddock. Together until it's good was sold. Both real nights colts. According to deadline of delridge farm where the west keep marriage It's interesting is you know since you know we we we do the matings for the west and you know we're happy to be a part of the team which is a great thing mr. Is you know quite involved. In fact that year he had sent the email to a thing. You wanted to use into mischief which you had been used before benn. Glass is racing manager. Dej ryan at delridge part of the team Yeah he's got a dock Got jeff had retired but using Georgie down at the nelson. Jones string center in florida just to give a shot up to their whole team. Like i said we're we're just you know we're we're just happy to be a part of the teams but What happened was You know they missed. A wack looks for gary. Mary wife look for classic cuts forces and even though he wanted to us into mischief Know they felt that might be more sprinter miler and they're planning on selling horses down the road because they've got game winner. Maximum security A west coast and you aforementioned american freedom that you pointed out that they're supporting with mayors and then i have to sell to. They wanted to sell. You know some good calls to let people know that they're going to be. They're not you know calling. They're actually going to put out there. That are some of their best and highly rated eurowings and so they they sold. That life is good The kept this cold. You know when you when you look at this colt street sense From tapping air Just to give you some background the pedigree that particularly strong If you'd sold its colder yearly. He would have been what you'd call the yearling with two blank. Dan's meaning bill is no black type under purse-strings the dan and there's no black type onto the second in my red porsche so yearling sale with two blank. Dams gets punished commercially. Of course it's called looking met for the sales for just bring that out point out that the only black type really get is is champion of the capital championship zero. We started bound which is in invented. one. Senator third damn so why Why why we Me street sense. 'cause mayor. Well they were a couple of things. the sire street cry has had done really well with apn. So let cross that. Nick of street cry. The indy is is really. you know. quite good And we just forecast and that his son shoot sense would follow the same path with. Apd ryan stallions As a point of reference you'll note that when we had done the mating for maximum security. It's bread exactly the same way. Maximum security is biased. Son street cry. That's new year's day that the western raised without baffert and one of the leaders come juvenile so news day like street sense. Is the sandwich tweet cry now. Maximum security is out of the mayor. Whose by ama- she'd son of eight the indian. So that cross. It already worked here for the west You know something we've been following and so contours bread very similarly on that cross street sent out of a pat mcmahon by pulpit by abnd now that's just the sire line crossing the neck like to talk about right but what. I'm really really proud about with his mating. And roger lyons looting it's gonna lot of credit on this as well is Steve We have we have a booby. Compatibility analysis with what's called the lion school up just to break down real quickly. The lion score which goes negative to at the worst two plus two because negative one zero plus one plus two plus two best decimating and this meeting which street sense was plus two and Gary washington and congrats sophisticated people. They look at the nick grading that's one com component. Look at the line score the look at all that on paper before they actually expect the horses right. So how you get a plus to align score over the line so basically takes downing street sense. He looks at all the marriage she's ever been brett to that have superior Superior horses money and computer program looks at st sense with all these ancestors. And then they. Then you look at purse-strings damn concert tour and st set and the computer program looks at sweet sense and then looks at all the answers in the pet your purse strings and sees if street sense had success with all the background ancestors yet another tooling and this particular meaning like i said scored plus to the highest wicket. Who was excellent made and And so Mr mr west and then grads decided to follow through on it. And we're you know like. I said we're thrilled that just this call came about now. Once bob baffert had coached in. You know in my chance. The avengers a i mean the winston blue and china horse upset. Life is good the bachelor and of course the rest versus bad for so once i started hearing about These clothes i really started to check in with bob to find out how to progressing for personal you know interest and but i found some bob early on was that he felt very little. Separating life is good from Concert tour until the life is good. Started winning big. I felt really confident about concert tour. Just from his input to he really thought very highly and what he and when when he won the second race. You know mr westwood's really not been addressed. And i have to tell gary i said bob brenly colder sprinter but he using these two sprints to go to oak lawn. And you know he's still winning then sprinters right. So i think that made gary feel better and gary after he wanted to latch way. So my right Feel better about the call so I knew that bob really did have a very high opinion on his co. concert tour and particularly bob told me as a distances like so You know that's something exciting to look at it. Chick it's gets that stamina hobby sleep from st sent street cried Sire line will give you a big dog to stamina because he had three Three dollars stakes winners. But he's also got into and it's a great combination a harmonious combination this pedigree it up speed and stamina and that's what you really need for classical. Yeah go to high on Stamina because he made the being too much of a plotter. You can't go to high on speed. Which is gary was thought license. Good has okay now. You can have really good or so that yeah so dominant. He'll co dominant his contemporary even if the speed but anyway i think these two cultures much closer ability than their speed figures indicate Well boy if that Yeah everybody pretty much is you know anointed Life is good as as if he gets there and if he sound if he's healthy easies he's way to beat sixteen great debate at a mile and sixteen. They changed. It must be changed tomorrow after no doubt. And in fact the andy and sterling. i yesterday afternoon andy. And i were were kicking around. And we're going over some of this and actually louisiana derby came up to and one thing that i i've learned over the over. The years is how this is starting saturday. I mean this is where the rubber meets the road. And you know we. We are basing all these discussions for the most part. I mean there are the isolated mile and an eighth maiden races and mylan eighth allowance races and so forth but we're generally basing our all of our speculation on derby on horses that haven't gone past that mile to sixteen and it's just always valuable to remember that you know a sprinter -ourse that long-term in their career and their aptitudes Is going to be better off one turning and maybe up to a mile at one turn and probably even less they can. they can For cassidy they can buy that mile and a sixteenth the not so simple to get the mile in the eighth and that and that's where the dividing line is and so we're going to see horses. The people were dismissive of after the first round of perhaps the middle round of perhaps That then take the next step forward. That's what's so exciting about horsley. Greatest honor is you know from day. One should never expected the worst to be successful going short. So if you know if you get a horse like that that's that's doing it at shorter distances. You you you know you get excited because you think well at we'll get to mile and an eighth and beyond he's going to really flexes muscles from on steaks are well. They'll they'll tell sugar. Or or don out of because don because they. They're hoping they can win a derby yet. Yeah that's right. I wanted to say you're gone over. american horses in uae derby. And there's another american horse although and becoming back here and that's spike per comment and that's Fifteen towards that's trained by doug watson. He's going well that's right. that's right. Yeah that's right yeah. So he's going on a bit of news as well. Chuck call me yesterday to tell me that that title ready will be written in the In their goodbye world cup clash By world cup by ryan moore. Mary nice very nice. I forgot about title. Ready I've got this little tiny. The the thing is it's like it's like a pocket sized version. So i this the eiser. The is were straining. I gotta i gotta print out a better better Working list for the likely well said before we go a quick glance ahead you got. You got a minute to look at louisiana. I think that hot rod charlie You know it's coming up to the trae As as a potential horse. I think he you know made that first star. That was a blanket. Finish the really good friends. And i think he's Course that i'm looking at to Appreciate you the extra distance to swell and of course you know one thing that that is a wrinkle And thomas kind of hinted at this on monday The change in the configuration and the distances. And how you know the louisiana derby lead up and louisiana derby for those that forgets a mile and three sixteenths. It's the distance so we're gonna get. We're gonna get an acid test in here and midnight. Bourbon back The tis now. Cold for steve. 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#469 - Running With the Devil

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30:14 min | 10 months ago

#469 - Running With the Devil

"She nears the devil looked awfully brave in winning the honeybee over the winter. The Kentucky Oaks will be next for her but even she is not nearly as brave as one of her owners. We'll talk with autry lowry plus is there a better way to handle what we now call claiming forces in claiming races away that benefits the horses and their owners there might be and it's a system in place elsewhere in the world will discuss all of that on this edition of in the gate. The Gate. They're about to move. Off as they. took. This is in the gate ESPN thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on twitter at the Abrahams voice or on facebook at Barry Abrams voice. You can also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate podcast you can find on Stitcher soundcloud tune in the pink apple podcast APP, and of course, in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the experience scribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP and please take A. Minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us which might just include the rocket scientists at America's best racing who last year chose not to include us in their fan choice awards in the best podcast category. Well, that's okay. The CO founders of Google once tried to sell that search engine in its early days to the CEO of another search engine excite for seven hundred, fifty, thousand dollars excite passed on the idea hey, America's best racing I'm just wondering how bad workout. The Kentucky Oaks is shaping up as an even more compelling race than the Kentucky Derby where Tis, the law will be an overwhelming favourite. The oaks might come down to a match race between gamine winter of the ACORN and test and Swiss skydiver who took the Alabama and Gulfstream Park Oaks and finished second against the boys and the bluegrass art collector beater. But if you WANNA consider anyone else in the field for this race, how about this little? Lady she tears the devil ratcheting up the pressure outside second and we have a new leader, the top of the stretch and it's she dares the devil. She tears the devil comes off the turn leading by two and a half lengths. Impeccable styles up in the second miss t to is fully extended one furlong to go she tears. The dental has elite by two LAX. It come down to the finish it. She tears the devil in the Indiana Oaks. Before that win in the Indiana Oaks, she dares the devil took the honeybee at Oaklawn Park and finished third and the fantasy in the spring she dares the devil has an interesting ownership group. Also, we've seen how the little guys like Tis the laws Saratoga togas stable can take on and beat heads of state like Sheikh Mohammed, Godolphin stable. But how about this a little guy teaming up with the head of state part of she dares the devils ownership group includes Kado racing, which comes. From that country's sovereign wealth fund and Captain. Audrey lowry who was a firefighter in Benton Louisiana he operates as big ought farms, and we are pleased to welcome Captain Lowry here to win the gate. Let's start with. She dares the devil she hit the board in Asia for nine career starts and her only off the board finish was a fourth on turf which seems not to be her preferred surface. How do you evaluate her She been very fun to be a part of. She is just the gift that keeps on giving. By far, the Best I've ever personally been associated with talent. Wise. I thanks she's going to be competitive with some of these other phillies that have been getting all the attention so far this year she continues to get better each and every day. And I'm ready for the first Friday in September to see how competitive everything is. Is it still weird saying that the first? Friday in September. It is. It's very weird. Almost messed up. The First Ryan they. So yeah, that's that's definitely different, but it's Something I can only dream about saying priority investing her. So this as an absolute pleasure, go what month it is, how does a firefighter from a relatively small community in Louisiana come to be on the same team with the government of Qatar. Well me and my buddy state employees. We had a couple. Of course we're taking that and the November sell. And they went for more than we were willing to pay for them. So I used to only share and double. And they sold him to Turkey. and. I told him I said this is the. Best Filly that there has today I said it'd be neat. Haven't be part of this phillies and she is the best films that they're the best horse. They'll mass produced up to date and time. and. At that point in time I think plays here contacted state in about it about Philly and. He just kind of went from there. it all happened very quick. It was just a matter of minutes in this entire process. This entire thing played out. And from the first phone to actually owning there was about ten minutes I did you come to be involved in racing in the first place? I started going out to the racetrack at a very young age probably thirteen fourteen hit Louisiana downs and bows you city Louisiana. And I've just kind of fell in love with it ever since I just appreciate the effort the horses put out the drive, the determination of some of these horses. If you get a champion horse, it's absolutely amazing to me to sit there and watch these animals compete and with all their heart give everything they have every time they raise. I'm fascinated but captain. Lowery Co owner of Kentucky Derby. Hopeful. She dares the devil joins us here on indicate what is it been like for you and your colleagues to do your jobs fighting fires during this global pandemic. It's been very challenging at times. You know we have to take a lot of precautions. If we think that we may have an exposure. There are a lot of cautions that we have to take to make sure that we do not bring it back to the fire station and or any other patients that we may run on, but it's definitely been different and it just may be. The norm. We've established protocols that fires. Our Department and To this day, we haven't changed them. So we're still we're still treating this as it's very real which it is. Tell our listeners as you were telling me before we started recording this about some of the things you've gone through recently and how lucky you are to be here. And two thousand eleven and a injury. On the Fire Department of call I we have a fire. And ended up jumping off the. Ladder. injured. My neck did therapy for a period of time. I had a herniated disk. Got Injections and that did not seem to work. So certainly was my only answer and at that time. I woke up from surgery and my tongue was hanging out of my mouth. Obviously complication went wrong during the surgery. Approximately, a year later had another surgery to repair the nerve. Eleven months after that I had my third surgery on my neck. Taking out another disc. So this time I was. Three to five. In my neck, I had problems with that I did not fuse. At that time. So I have a fourth surgery they went in post to on my neck before time and you don't. have. I have no more looking neck in the back but you know everything's working good WanNa get some extremely happy to have laugh I've been blessed. Never thought I'd be get back to the point where I am now. Many Times. How was still taking medical retirement but I'm just absolutely refuse to 'cause I wasn't going to give up that easy. But it was more than that. Right? You said, there was some mental health issues involved. I did I'm bound some depression couple years ago and. Two, thousand, eighteen if I'm not mistaken went and got treatment for. Did, not, realize I was in depression. At snuck up on me. I guess everybody around me could see it but me and when I was approached. I made a quick decision to go get assistance because in my line of work. I think it's more rampant than people understand. I think a lot of people own tim related to discuss it. But it is very real. Depression Ptsd there's so many different. mental health days. Illnesses that farming battle. Farming policemen first responders in general. And I would like to be the. Foremost person that would tell them go seek. treatment. I hope to see the day that. You. First responders or not intimidated by going up and asking for help and getting assistance. special programs out there for them. I also would like to see them use the equine therapy in this process is very beneficial. Like I said it was very moving. For me to be part of this and I've been a horse on for eighteen years at the time I was up there in Maryland getting receiving my treatment. Did Not purchase into this horse until after I got out of therapy. I continue I'm continuing therapy now but after I got out of my treatment. So I. Guess I'm living proof that. You can get out of treatment and still make some of the better decisions you've made in your life because at that point in time when I purchased, she's the devil. Now. I know depression is not being sad. It's a clinical issue. It's much deeper than that. What role does being around horses which we know. Clinically has been used in therapy. What role do horses play in treating your depression? exactly right. Depression is not necessarily being sad 'cause I never walked around sad and just feeling sorry for myself, but it changed my personality. More working with the horses. I did equal Debbie was in treatment. And in Maryland you learn how to trust. Again, you know one of my shoes I dealt with. I hard time trusting. like the world was against me. You don't have faith in. You have faith in. And something besides yourself. You think you're taking on the entire world by yourself. Slowly but surely working with horses. If you handle them and you not them and you take care of them, they trust you as much as you trust them. And that's a very, very soothing feeling. I was actually impressed. I went there and I've been on her for many years. And I learned a lot about horses while. Up there in Maryland did not even know about like what? I thought I. knew a lot about horses. I. Know about the Reis again of. I didn't know about personality and demeaning of forces because thoroughbreds typically high strong. These horses were Rehab Horses. You could lead them around without even having a lead on them. They would follow you. And it was all about the way that you handled. The. Horses. They consider your fear. They can tell if you trust them or not. And it was I was actually amazed. Because I've never personally haven't experienced that with a horse. All of my dealings been with racing? Around in the pasture or or breeding horses, and it's completely different than anything I've ever been exposed to. Do you look at your racehorses a little differently now from what you did before? I do always have a great appreciation for him. This. Being involved with she does the devil. As extremely special. I think I'm appreciating get more than maybe I would have prior to. Getting. treatment. It's been unbelievable and. They're in as a the horse will never know how much I appreciate actually appreciate her she dares the devil looks for a way through alters award to the outside Altos Award takes the she. The devil splits horses for Joe Talamo also award and that's the switch leads. She dares the devil, all ties award she doubters Devo. Most they'll take the first crack at a grade one race when she takes on Swiss skydiver and Gammy feel about taking them on. Definitely, very good horses. You know they deserve credit. They've been getting a lot of publicity but yet Swisscom ever demeaning and speech Kinda Three I. Think it's basically going to be free enormous race. And You, know I'm anxious to see this bill is improved quite a bit. The last two racist that she's said. and. I don't think we've Sir full capability yet. She's steadily improving and I'm ready to see the lineup and race. By no means of my making promises on WHO's GonNa win and WHO's. GonNa Finish up. But I, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing that they that they do get stargate. And crossed the finish line. Do you plan on being there? Absolutely I would miss it for the world. How many in your group will you be allowed to bring? Well the ticket issue is an issue right now. So we don't know how many tickets if we're GONNA get. So that's kind of in the this point in time but I can promise you. I will be there. If I had to stand outside. Wherever I have to be I will be at Churchill downs that day at post. Captain Autry Lowry of the Benton Louisiana Fire Department. We wish you the best of luck and continued good health this month next month and way on into the future. Thank you so much. Thank you very much an absolute pleasure. Is the North American system of claiming races, putting horses welfare at unusual risk, and if so what would be a better solution will examine those questions when the indicate podcast continues. Welcome back to win the game as you may know each summer since one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, three, the Jockey Club here in the United States has held an annual conference on urgent issues regarding the horse racing industry. This year's conference included a report from South Sinatra Vice President and general manager of the Maryland Jockey Club about the connection between running horses and claiming races and the long term welfare of those horses. For example, you claim a horse for fifteen thousand dollars and then run that horse every couple of weeks without enough time to rest up to be ready to run because the purses you can win or inflated by Casino Revenue. During the Conference Sinatra said that in theory, the added purse money would be good for horsemen allowing them to pay bills and maybe invest in buying more horses. But Sinatra, says the picture has not turned out that way. Instead we have created an arena has become a race to the bottom with horses being dropped in claiming price and repeatedly claimed as a matter of arbitrage, and this doesn't even take into account. What these bottom feeders to paraphrase Sinatra's term might do these horses once they can't make money at the lower claiming levels. So. What can be done about this one solution South Sinatra proposed is dropping the claiming system altogether and adopting what's called. The ratings system is used in Europe and Australia basically just as every horse gets a speed figure for every race, which you can see in the horses past performance chart a horse running in what we now call a claiming allowance or starter level race would receive an overall rating that accounts for all of its races that rating would determine what level of racing a horse could participate in. An interesting idea but would it work here and would it improve the future of these horses? Well. Let's get some perspective from someone who's trained both here in the states and elsewhere around the world. So we welcome here for the first time on in the gay trainer. Owen. Hardy he grew up in Ireland started training there when he was sixteen moved here to the states and is trained in California ever since more than twenty years later. So Mr Hardy what do you think of the idea of a rating system in America compared with the current claiming system? I think the different PARVENU. Don't it should be all offended decamping system. But I? Think we can have a healthy mix of both I think there is A. Definite need for religious system and I think there's a need for the claiming game as well. People survive on. Claiming horses people who can't afford to go to sales and spend a lotta money. Can to my source in claiming ranks and also for the people. Who've invested some money on a horse that's potentially not gonNA come round until a few races or turn to your on a little bit older. You know not every, it's going to be precocious and can be registered wind perform, but it's best from its first second or third starts two year old. So there ought to be an avenue to be able to develop those horses and give them time and give an older some incentive to. Hang in there, the mass and sales and spend A. Hundred Fifty, two, hundred, three, hundred, whatever it lost by awards. That you believe in your heart sodas of ice wars but because he hasn't actually turned immediately and now you're forced rundown claiming price in order to see some return on us. Only to watch somebody else lead the rewards of your hard work. So, how would those two things coexist a rating system and acclaiming system? That's for somebody smarter than me but. As it works in Europe I believe the glazing system is determined on. I guess you get three racist I think is. The handicap process is your ability and then gives you a number. Depending on how you perform those three races and then you often that number. Speaking of Europe back in two thousand fourteen respected Scottish veterinarian Dr Tim Parkin said that horses who's claiming price drops after its most recent starred have an increased risk for suffering a catastrophic injury in racing or training. What do you think of that? when I didn't read the study and I didn't know what wasn't aware that until now but I think the comes no secret you know people have become a. Lot more cognizant of. As to how these forces are getting worse and I think what happened to centimeter last year and and Saratoga and shown a license on our game and people are no. More credit, go online or scrutinous before horses on. and. The horse that's dropping significantly. Off for good performance of probably come under. Extensive scrutiny and what potentially isn't going to be allowed run. So there's probably a lot of truth was to his comments, but it's also those people. Who Play that claiming game and play it well for a living and you know it's like playing poker sometimes. I'm certainly not advocating for people. To try and you know try and take advantage of a of a source and don't put on somebody else but I'm just pointing out some of the. Aspects of the game, some people won't think of. I have heard that horsemen are told that if they lose a horse to acclaim or more tire meant, but don't fill that stall within two weeks, they lose the stall. So what kind of pressure does that put on trainers to keep horses running? You know maybe maybe that was a problem several years ago. But you know if all the race tracks I go to nowadays I'm serving never heard that never heard anybody getting pressure to do that. And there just isn't the horse population out there anymore to stick a knife from the guys back you better film that story you'RE GONNA lose us there's just a steady flow of forces waiting at the gate to get in so I certainly haven't heard that before. Trainer Owen Hart joining us here on in the gates. How does the rating system in Europe and Australia versus the claiming system here in the states? Do you think affect these horses futures when they're finished racing? Well I. Really I don't see how it's going to affect. Positively one way or the other I think. People are. Recognized that these horses on just a means to an end, and once you're done with them and the horses hurt or injured or whatever. Then you know to the horse end up to the killer. I think that whole concept of our futures, maybe that's very, very small mindset still. POKES the game with that mind but I think the bulk of the owners and trainers and horsemen out there only the best things for the horse at the end of the day. And I just see more and more forces being re homed horses that have been I choices that just go with A. Match up on the race track, and there's a huge demand for those forces. So. I. Think Things were very different ten years ago than they are today. And the public perception of our business has made us please ourselves and. You know I could be very naive but I just don't see that kind of thing going on anymore. Want to get back to something you mentioned earlier you know owner sometimes enter horses in claiming races with the intent of getting the horse claimed by someone else making a little money from the sale and not having to pay that horse bills. Any longer in Europe where that system does not exist do private purchases of these horses, fill the vacuum of those claiming transactions. In Europe, there's a there's a lot more buying and selling forces those accused market for European horses in Hong Kong, and if a horse sound and you can rest assured, you're going to get a very healthy offer from from Hong Kong most other places but Hong Kong in particular. and. You know cements pressure. Treasure, not to say that the horses are trashed but you know that if you're a bigger owner bigger investments in this force isn't necessarily gonNA panic the you doesn't mean account for somebody else. And there's a huge market over there it's starting to become more. Prevalent here in the states, these horses and training sales. That that's very, very common commodity in in Europe. They have these. Very Large Morse's and training sales throughout the in horses are getting traded back and forth. So yeah. Long answer to your question. How does the evolution of the claiming system affect the smaller trainers as opposed to the larger operations? Well there's a big market for claiming horses. The bed but more spread, a lot of people. Don't everybody's playing the lofty level of found baffert todd section more cassie Chad down. and. There's a lot of very, very good horsemen that. Make living with those bottom and choices. they're very good horsemen they keep them going to keep selling to keep them. Happy. And they might be winning group on racist but they're certainly winning races making living out of it. In the Jockey Club Roundtable conference South Sinatra of the Maryland. Jockey club called the claiming system a race to the bottom claiming a horse in order to run at a much lower class for a purse that's much higher than the value of the horse itself. Would a rating system prevent a race to the bottom as he put it? Well, it certainly would because those voices aren't running, they can only run a certain level. Depending on what the horses the bottom raising has. I'm not sure what it might be forty might be fifty. So those horses race. Different distances for horses raises zero to that. So. And so if you're GONNA horse that's raise it a hundred ten, it's GonNa Probably. WanNa get rid of us. You can't claim the Horse in the first place, and that force is eligible to run against horses rates at zero to fifty. So I I don't necessarily think there's a bottom I I think the mindset of people has changed dramatically space go for the last eighteen months over the last two years three years whatever. But people are waiting more cognizant of our industry on horses and and how we're perceived I think the last thing anybody wants to see. On the racetrack is a horse, her horse off it's the absolute most negative aspect of our sport. And I think we're GONNA see Nessim and less than that does a lot more scrutiny out more is on these horses. I think at the end of the year when the injury days are influenced released, we're GONNA see significant improvement in that. You know maybe that was the case by ten years ago, but I certainly don't think it's the case now. when you do get those huge purses, it does. It makes it easier for you to win a race. Horses Worth Twenty. It can run in for twelve, five or ten win the race with that huge posh if you do lose the horse. You'd still made money I mean at the end of the day it is business just because you put down for some nat. dropped him in doesn't mean that the is injury toners carrying a significant injury in this career is ending. Like I said, it's it's poker people play this game and you know your opposition who you're playing against them, what they do and. Keep, sending toward replacing ourselves a hell of a lot better than we were two years ago. I do think there's a healthy place for handicap racing in America just thinking it should be a third option. I don't you can completely eliminate thing on I think it's GonNa be. What's going to be a gradual thing? You can't say, well, we're the Manasian claiming graces. We're GONNA start handicap racing at the end of September. You know it's GonNa. GonNa take a while for people to get their heads of what exactly is going on. But. I do think it has a place in American racing. Very. Interesting perspective here is this issue will continue to be discussed bank you so much for your perspective Mr Hardy. Right. Thank you me. Aren't thanks to Owen Hardy and captain lowering. Green Grotto was a blue collar horse. His owner drove a truck neither belonged an elite company but three years ago they won the grade one Carter handicap several poor runs later, it was time to say sale. V. Most horses take well to the farm, the pampered life for them but poor old green grotto. He missed the track he'd moped was hard to handle until his owner had an idea and reintroduced green grotto to his tack. The nine year old was being prepped for a return to action last fall when word got out on social media, the outcry Air Force Green Grottoes owners to scrap the whole idea. No. Adding to his page on Wikipedia. But once again, the Horse Crew Sullen. So at the age of ten green grotto indeed had one more day in the sun this month he finished last at Monmouth, so that really will be at I. Hope he'll view retirement as fun. You can get us on our youtube channel. 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469 - The Ringer

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:41:47 hr | 4 months ago

469 - The Ringer

"You're listening to the dollop on the all things comedy network. This is by american history. Podcast reach week. I dave anthony read a story from american history to my friend. Gareth reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. So you did buy american because you feel a divide in this country. Are you sort of as that. Your way of sort of. Are you sending out a signal to people. Dave i want. yeah. I want people to come together. I think we need more. Love agree yup and we are starting a new group called hugs across america and drugs hugs and drugs across america. And our idea. Is that you you. We're gonna start a big line and everyone's gonna hug someone else and it's going to go all the way around america and at the same time people are gonna pass whatever drugs they have and when the when the hugs. Get all the way to the ocean and the beach in california garrison. I will be there to hug the final person and then take all of the drugs. Yep that'll be the end of it. That's the area. It's a weird charity. It's a charity by the way it's charity. It's five oh. I think i'm probably a little story. I want to tell you after the ads. Okay well then. Let's do the ads or now we're going to the music do right. And then you'll tell your story after the ads that's right. Okay greg tell your story before the as okay great okay. Music now called the his jim patch. I'm the fucking guys. They've okay. Gary and this is not gonna come five. Part could hit him with the puppy present. Sick arguments about action was so good. Yeah it really was jam so my mother was. I'll make this quick. My mother was watching this quiz show. And she said this clue came about this guy named frank last name. Because i can't remember she's like and essentially what he did is at an olympic event. He his manager like he got in his managers car and his manager like drove him half of the race and he won the gold and then like two days later. They took the gold away from him because people were like. Hey that guy was actually a car for a lot of. And i go i go wow i go. That's amazing. what's his name. Google him and you know there and i am sorry. I don't use good like bing. And and i go. Oh yeah okay. All right. And i and then i'm doing a little more research than i see. It says nineteen o four olympics. The one that took place in the wildest olympic games ever. And i go okay. Great books on. I order a book and as i'm talking to my mother i'm going you know. This sounds really familiar and she does it. And i go hold on. And then i being the dow up and nineteen four olympics. Churn the roy scovill episode but the best part and unfortunately this. Maybe i'll post this picture. But the book i ordered. Dave is totally for a child. It is book and it even says. Where does it say it says on here. Somewhere like the age ranges offensive for me. It's not simon and schuster dot com slash. Kids is where you buy. 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Peter christian berry was born in edinburgh scotland so we have a scottish accent gentleman The odds of this his father was a butcher. Not much is known about his childhood in nineteen fourteen age twenty six. He emigrated to so we cut six. Cut straight doing too much going on in the rest of the story is but we know that we would. There is stuff now before twenty-six he wrote about it but no one believes what he said. What a great. What a great preview. Okay twenty six. He goes to us. He got off to the penal colony. Catch me go on the ship. Your off he was like i worked at a. I worked at a studied veterinary place and everyone's like night didn't so it's that kind of stuff. Okay all right so it goes to australia now. That year he went out there. He enlisted in these sixth light horse regiment and he told them that he was a veterinary dentist and had worked for three years. Caring for horses in the royal fleet auxiliary in in uk. but he. He didn't that's not something he so we have a scottish lying horse. Dentist that's craig ideal specifically in the teeth of the county. The people human teeth at for two detainees can get in there the horse that big the jumpers simple author david ashworth where most of this comes from Quote just under five eleven inches tall one hundred and sixty six pounds with a with a dark red cheeks hazel eyes and black hair his cheek. Sound bruce yeah. The cheeks The cheeks kind. Of what do you think of a lovely natural rouge. Let's just sleep an attack. Ever in the sides of his face look did six lovely. Peter sent to go liberally to fight rb. See that did not go. Well for the australians. Peter said his right arm was seriously wounded. After fighting it's like four months and then he was discharged but he was actually there for two months and he got a septic foot so he said he fought for months got discharged. He actually served too much because his foot got. He had what they call gross foot. He had what we call. Yuck he'll pick he. He healed up on a hospital ship for a month and then he was sent back to the front but he was only back there for a day because then he got terrible terrible diarrhea and he was sent to england on a hospital ship case. I'll tell you what shades so much to go back to the uk. Of course so bad go home. Always a whole ray. But this is handle the ship. They're down they'd never see scottish dany s. Absolutely fan rose. Day share fucking. Oh christ. i'll tell you. What do you just be baiting. The back of the vessel. And then i'll just die across the bloody osha back home. Be like a rocket base there. Oh golly i'm hollow nothing. Left give just crap data piece of paper that said i owe you feces in in england for a bit and on he's let out on september fourteenth and then he went and worked at the australian army headquarters in west minister as a driver for a little bit and then in march. The medical board discharged peter from the army due shortness of breath. Okay yeah. I can't believe he was hanging. It's i mean they're really they really want you back out there on the front lines. They're really willing to repair you. He really seems like he did not want to be in the army. Yeah so a lot of that is just kind of inflated stuff you thank you. That's all that stuff is real. He told other stories he was like i got hurt in the arm by bob but that's not true. Part right right but his stories were different than men diarrhea. I have came up with a spell. I didn't use anything that he said i used. What other people okay. He got into crime. He served two months for stealing a wallet. And then he met and married florence vince. She was twenty three. He's about twenty nine. I think. And they moved into the queen's hotel in leicester square and then i started buying horses and pretty soon had eight horses stabled at the epson racing yard. Wow that's a lot that's horses. It is a lot of horses now britain at this time. It's post world war one. They're flush crowds packing into race tracks and go another gambling. Places now ringing. Ring a ringer when you ring. It's when you take two horses one slow and one fast and you enter the slow horse in a race and then it doesn't do that well and then you change the appearance of a fast horse to look like the slow horse and you put him in another race as what everyone thinks is a slow horse. Ride that horse wins. That's the wringer low expectations. Right yes okay. So you create a loser only to hide your winner loser that will have really long odds. And then that horse wish to make a lot of money see cleanup now. The jockey club is a body that over saw horse racing right there the tiny body but still yes a tiny large body. It's a large group of tiny bodies right Doping horses was actually not illegal in nineteen. Oh three up until you get dope away to share great and then even after nineteen to three. They made illegal. But there's no one to enforce the rule good right very similar to how we are the paris climate accord that's correct and then up until one thousand nine hundred. Thirteen horses raced without names. So you could really the commentators and the big back buddies add front that there's another brand rubber high to a little more proud of the waters a little less than that. What's going up in front of it right now but there's a blackout behind him. He's not as black thought. It was a property still black horse and he's moving closer. We got white horse with a couple of dots out of behind the one. That's not his brow. Why the white horses still bad with spots. But the voters not as bad as the other line but still brown. He's one of the brown ones. These were up a little closer one of the black holes divide. the white horse is making a move. The white house makeable behind the brad horse now is near the brian. The other brad horse of the first black horse taking the lead right also sponsor going to take it away horse. Hey i want to collect my winnings. I am twenty percent certain. My horse one. We have no real way of figuring out here. Is your money thank you. Yes that's how this works by the way we're shutting. Yeah well here's my we were talking. I was talking to my friend frank over here. Frank has a name. And that's why i don't call him. Hey guy so. I was thinking nancy. Yeah what's your name frank. We'll just name them all. No no we got frank going ahead. Now he's got frank their franks and other one. There's another frank behind him. third frank. Nobody saw coming fourth frank for the lead. Franks bobick so that's how that works Up until one thousand nine hundred thousand owners could use. Aliases so you could be like. I would like to raise my horse. My name is frank frank and they would get cooled right all right frank. There's no rules. So so there's there's no rules and you're you could be named whatever you want to be named. I just love. There's no rules that people are betting on it. It's just like sounds tough so in one thousand nine hundred nine. Peter berry met gilbert marsh. Who conman and peter bought a horse from him for four hundred dollars but then when mars tried to cash the check the check bounce and he tried to get the horse back horses ardy on a ship headed for ireland. So marsh confronts. Peter and then peter says look. I bought that horse for client so that check. That client screwed both of us and they. So where's the client he said. Oh the client got killed when the german submarine sunk ship and the irish channel Yep yep and he was like well as long as we both got screwed by. This guy is dead from a german sub. So this so this happened maybe marshawn. That was an amazing lie because they started working together. Okay now. Peter had a three year old filly named mexican bell and h two year old horse. That had never raced okay so the two year old was then entered in two races. Today's apart and peter died mexican bell from beta brown bears like a reddish color from beta brown. And when he was done mexican bell looked exactly like the two year old okay and it had to look like the two year old because mexican bells x. Trainer was going to be out the track watching the race. Right okay so usually usually horses because you run the slower horse and the first race and then the quick so everybody just playing the wringer game. I don't think everybody is but it seems like a lot of people could be. Yeah i think the main thing here is is making the horse look like the other one which is actually where the artistry and skill comes in so many ways. This is a makeover competition. Yes very much okay. All right so usually you'd use the horses slow in the fast one. But peter wasn't really sure about the two year old like it'd never run maybe to run too well so instead he ran mexican bell in the first race and just her with a lot of them. A just lowered hours right. Yeah well that's good now. Barely make it now. That's a good pony barely. Make it now sure enough. She finished last. And then peter gave for the second race gave mexico cocaine with a syringe thirty minutes before the race. Wait is mexican bell. The when he ran in the that's the when he ran in the first race to for some reason going he didn't trust the bad horse. And so he doped so he's down belushi ing the horse right now. Martius job was to make the bats. But peter wasn't as experienced as giving horses cocaine as he was a giving them a lot of come on. Norte take a lung. Take a bump. Baby bump come on l. agree you'll have failed that more whiskey after the. He's the scottish right. Yeah so he gave he gave. He gave basketball too much. Cocaine's she's chewing gums chewing on the reins high. Yeah you know what time. When i was little baby horse when i came out in my legs were all wildly little baby horse to every law them to this not a lot earlier but when as a baby horse and i was running out so she she choose her rain so much that at the start of the race mexican bill breaks out of the rates and she runs completely. Out of control comes in last and then has to be chased down. Which and the guy who chase it out actually turned out to be your ex trainer who didn't recognize her and they lost all their money but peter was still proud that the trainer didn't recognize her so when loo look. We've got to find their small little baby victories. And say to this and we died the horse properly before the horse date from a drug overdose. Downers uppers it's not great. No no bay is also great in a way so and the good news is. I finally learned to properly cocaine. A horse of lost on me fucking money. Well look is kenny. Be the one you know responsible. It makes bells the enemy and all this. She backed us a nice pounds cocaine. Nineteen sounds she kept snorting the play stuff. What was that do until a head out a horse well. The mistake was and all the feedback. That was the foolish move. Just given our feedback. Full of yale chrysler but again. I i do feel like the bad guy here. I feel like you know. Only one of us has prepared a pretend bat grounded equine dentistry have some respect for the fake dr amongst us all right. Thank you so. Peter immediately sets up as next score using an alias. For himself he enters a horse named coat of mail in stockton in a race for two year olds for your two year olds who've never won a race so it's not that good horses so komal is terrible and the finishes terribly and then a guy named walter hopkins buys the horse right after the race. So hopkins turns out to be working with peter and he's already bought a horse named jazz for eight hundred dollars and peter isn't even at the race. He is picked up jazz and he has her in a train car or him has tramcar car. And as train is going up towards stockton. He's painting the horse in the train. In the boxcar. I mean so now jazz. Looks like the picture. Like how like. When bugs bunny would paint he just gets a beret and the little palate with the brush. You know he's doing it like that. He's character okay. So he assures sure i mean and how quickly does paint dry upon a horse's flesh. It's it's these things hennion die like it's a process like it takes a while to do. It seems like i would imagine in. A horse is an undertaking. So so he gets there as usual. Marsh does the bedding and they're due to win forty k. If this all works out with the with the odds and everything they should win forty k. Okay and mel wins. But marshall had not just bet he owed a lot of bookies so he told all the bookies about the ringer and pretty soon everyone knew. Peter said it became such an open. Secret that quote. Whenever i walked down coventry street i was certain to meet a half dozen people who pull me up. Figure my jacket and say that's a nice coat of mail you've got on but you've had it died that that's the kind of lying that he does. That's why i do know you know. You're i mean he's horse. Famous hard to achieve notoriety. And that's amazing the overt nature. It's such a clear li- and it's so funny that he he like. No one knows who he is but like everyone knows him as the horse guy even though no one knows he owns the horse scottish horse liar so anyway what happens is all these people bet on the horse. The odds plummet said forty thousand. Hose the pony. Ho hos on it. We're gonna be. She's not going to plenty of. I'm trying to think of the plan now. The end up winning one hundred and sixty seven pounds that the cover the paid peter bought berko caches with the guy. Who's my god. So but what happened was because of all the suspicious betting the jockey club's starts looking into it and peter just keeps going he starts another another horse khan and he keeps races and he keeps running the wringer scam. Peter and hopkins also made money selling shitty horses to racers in india so so coat of mail is the name of the is the name of the shitty horse so now people think the shitty horse won so he made the shitty horses valuable and then he would sell them but he'd sell them to people in india where there's racing going on because that's so far away that it's not going to get him and shit. Yeah that's like yeah. You're shipping lemon horses so you and the people there wouldn't find outdoors was bad until they got until they were like. Well what are we going to do. We're going to go to australia at the scottish lunatic. So peters possibly the best horse painter in the world well what what so his. It's a skill give. The in cuba artist is do. You used to be a pretend dentist now. Every alleged the colon is actually painting ponies painter so his fingernails are almost completely gone from all the bleach and ammonia. He rubbed into horace heights. Oh my god well. That's their hides. That's to make white spots. Oh my god. Just i mean you know what can i just at least say this. It's nice that he's also damaging his flesh. It's not like he's like a sponge. He's just putting his rob. Aw in buckets of blood. The that birds graceful native. He's an artist. He's not going to use a sponge. Yeah dare. He is silver nitrate to color the noses and hannah for the hair. He used a rubber stamp for dappled white spots. This is insane. He removed tail hairs and he changed mains. Since these three year olds running his two year olds he had to deal with the teeth and he used a knife and drill on the teeth. He he said these are all skill. The teeth skills you learned in the army sure right. It sounds like he it. Pretty i mean he should have. It sounds like he can have a makeover show like a horse renovation can have a show on. hd could have horse garden television israelite. Welcome to flip this pony today. We've got a five year old stallion but we're going to turn into a one year old pony. Let's not going to be easy well. First thing i'm going to do is go to knock out few of these bloody teeth. Then you get your hands in the bucket of bleach really dip your hand in there as you can see from my hands. They look like angel wings without fingernails. Less not watched five consecutive shows about turning shipping containers into houses. Yeah that's there are some moves like that right now where i'm like Yes please let's have you seen. Have you seen the house that like flips into it like builds itself in ten minutes. It's the crazy. Is this a children's story. It's in my book about the olympics okay. I'll have to look that up house. The bills itself yup. Yup you'll find it big. So i mean the big problem with this is tons of people betting on horses all of a sudden all these people are betting on the horse and that will always raise suspicion. So that's always drawn the attention of the jockey club and on june fifth. One thousand nine hundred twenty. Peter was arrested and charged with getting a check for one hundred and sixty seven pounds under false pretenses so they figured out how he was from that that race and they've arrested him hopkins's also arrested. Peter gets out on bail and then he gets arrested again a month later this time for conspiracy this on based on another horse race so he he should give himself like the horse treatment. He should like changes skin tone. A little bit fixes teeth. Yeah i patch or something. He's he's so skilled. Paint yourself four. Other people were rescued. Marsh was not arrested so interesting. Peter at lenders. Say i could tell for. I know very nearly the amount of money that marsh paid to keep out of the boob a couple of things a lot. Yeah do you wanna start to how to do. I even need to ask my questions. Do you just want to ask them answer them. Who wants to stay out of the boop. Yeah i mean. I guess out of the boob not like oh man. I got in her boob. What i was in boob. So maybe it's not something you want. The slammers boob. Yes lammers the boob okay. And so he bribed a cop. Marsh city Aqap okay so they were coming for him. He gave a cop money then. He stayed out of the boob that pasta. He's not anywhere near in sight. The poop peter the pasta. Just us that we're locked in. This pleaded guilty. Everyone else the other five went to trial so because he pleaded guilty. They blamed him and said that he had duped them. And on the hopkins on the stand hopkins said. It was quote a disgraceful fraud to run a three year old a two year old. So all these guys like. I can't believe he did this in all my years. I've never been so disgusted with a repulsive and does anyone actually near to get to monja off of flesh. Covered it ano- governor. i do. Oh aloe that's a good idea. He suggests we put tallow on. It does governors. He did this every that do o. Governor that's lovely on. It really does do everything quite a miracle. Liquid isn't it. Hopkins was found guilty. He got fifteen months. The only guy of the five who was innocent was found guilty and got fifteen months because the judge refused to believe anybody could be that stupid and thought he had to a part of lou- really. You're like exactly exactly. Peter ended up getting three years. The times wrote quote. It is part of the national honor of england that one of the greatest of her sports should be conducted with clean hands. Now it's the fucking dirtiest sport in england. I mean we already went to earlier all that was going on. Yeah the sport with nobody has name that one one where you literally get to just go there and create a character for yourself. It's hard to believe that that was on the up and up all right. I'm going to go to the track. And who are you going to be. I'm going to be a catholic gymnast at this point. The jockey club is is accepting horses that there's barely any proof the real. i mean. it's still just you know. This is just two guys at a horse costume now. Race coke up enough fell race. So peter divas time in prison and he got out. His wife had a baby five months after he got out and now. I don't know if you're big math guy. Love numbers yes human calculator. So that doesn't work is far him putting the baby stuff in the baby. Make well it depends. How slows is pretty slow. Yeah maybe he's got. Maybe maybe maybe dave maybe painted some of his semen to look like other. I'll get there. I'll get yup so on the birth certificate. The father's name was just a dash. That's right dash dad dash at this point. For some reason the wife drops out of the story. She's not around anymore. It just seemed like everything was going pretty well at home. Peter then got well wait. She probably invented a spice and this is the story. Mrs dash go ahead. That's right peer. Obviously peter then got one of the most popular writers of the day and edgar wallace to ghost. Write his confession so he's out of prison he's like i need a way to make money. I can sell my story right. Wallace was a huge horse racing guy but a friend said quote. He thought he knew everything about racing. I never met a man who knew less so wallace. I'll bet he lost always lost. That was his thing in the time. When you're not even really betting in many ways he can't win. Okay so peter. Set up a horse race tip. Business and wallace ended up taking it over. I don't know how that happened. But i assume he's sold wallace. The business stupid business. It didn't last tip line. Yeah it's like it's so. He's literally giving the worst tips to everybody. So it falls within six months gives the tips yes guy know. Your people are calling it like it's crime. Tips is at foyer opponents. Actually to don't ask the told you know he. People call them up for horse racing tips betting tips and he gives them wallace takes over. He's terrible the business folds it a key component in your horse businesses having accurate information and insight into. What do it helps now. The reason he was able to open a tip business. The first place was because peter had is confessions printed in john bull magazine. John bull magazine share. I think john bowles like they're there. What's our guys name. John deere now. Sam type guy. I think is a jumble. I think this headline quote for the first time in history the vile which has hidden the modern methods of rask galaxy practiced by the unscrupulous underworld of the turf is torn aside. Wow how long do you think they spent on that sentence hours. I mean it's hard to tell if like said the first time and he's like that's perfect. Catchy it makes perfect sense does go here maybe get it in the paper and get it in the paper fast so peter. Peter promises del all of the race track. 'cause he'd been a part of and it's a fifteen article series okay. Peter declares quote with me ringing passed. My mind is made up never again but he but he has no skills. I mean it's not like he can get into circus horace painting. It's sure there's there's no job. Yeah he's horse cosso he did and then there's depression happening also so he has a record on top of that so he's just unemployable bad. Yeah so he decided to leave the country and he takes his ship to canada. He on the ship. He dressed up like a priest and was so convincing. The captain asked him to preach the ship sermon on a sunday. Oh my god. Is there a better sit rather take honda and maybe also put your hands together. Maybe whole towns. That was a strange thing for me to say. I've done this many times. Before the lord that seat over to this lovely vessel for quite a time. And i think it's time we paid a paper as it were and let the lord know how great we think he is and he is male heads down please or sweet father. You are so great. Some of the waters rough for the most part. You didn't make the anger the see on our behalf and we're kenny. Tell you how much we appreciate. You are so good based on. The bible book is filled with stories about your brothers and potentially your sister maybe not but might be probably get to jim. I'm a bit is will. Your dad was able to get your mom pregnant with a actually putting it inside her. And that's actually magical. Took the idea of being able to have a child fired after a jacket or jacqueline. Wrap it up either. My my wife got pregnant. When i was in the the boob for three years came out and she got a five month old. Why would that day. The lord works in mysterious ways. Your next he right. Oh yeah. Of course i the state test but mainly appreciate and what i say. Why for taught me wave. Well i mean is life and by boob amine boob. I mean cheese so the story. I've just told you about mary and jonathan and the baby. Jesus is not. It's not all it's not a it's the same. Yeah so it's not it's not tate. I'm saying that he's looking over us. And it makes total sense. You heard it have a quick here may ease our lord and is up there for sure as gray is our lord and he's up there for sure he's doing things as ways. We don't know a restaurant water those days as the lord. I thank everybody up in the tech four can ship a great aimed Big i'm him. I'm just as another guy culpability. So he ki- rives in canada nineteen twenty three and then he just immediately pays a bribe to get across the border and he made his way to new york city. Okay now their job working as a horse. Groom with a top horse room. I do up for and i do again. Gives them a great feeling when they feel like they're married so he's working for top horse owner on the east coast sam hildreth after he became hillary's show four chauffeur for our asia for he became schiff for and peterson. Came to know a group known as the purple gang who were violent bootleggers at in detroit. So again like we said doping horses very calm falling in with a good crowd. It sounds like he's really. He is turning over a new leaf. That's right. the tracts basically condone the doping peter quote the sixth or seventh events in almost any track are known as drugstore races. It's sorta snl puts on the weirder sketches late so the peop- the purple gang asked peter to find out what drugs hildreth used on his horses. So they just assuming everyone drugs because they do right so peter. Peter took three of the bottles that were used to drink the horses out of the gloves. The car's glove compartment and they had it analyze and it was heroin and cocaine. I just cannot believe it's just crazy. Was the us adding these horses full of these drugs. I've never why would you. I've never so why you do heroin cocaine at the same time. Well i think speed balls a mix and i mean it is. It's supposed to be great but there's a tremendous dads i like. Oh okay yeah. But yeah i i. It's it's super fucked up as what it is just obviously crazy. Subpoena retail the purple gang. Which hilda's horses on. I can't believe the purple. I mean at some point i do have to mention. It is very bizarre name. I thought here once. And i'd be like i could leave it but now it's like the purple gigs. A big player news update. I'm just picturing the wiggles so he would tell the purple gang which hilda's horses to bet on because he knew all the scams they were doing. He was helping with the scams. I mean there's stuff like using electric buzzers and just all all kinds of nonsense. Sure yeah let them know. You're gonna coke them up heroin track in nineteen twenty six. He and hilda had a parting of the ways so peterson on his own and he ran a scam and canada and was arrested but instead of going to court he changes name to patrick christie and to chicago for they always say. Which would you plead innocent guilty. Not guilty no contest. Or would you like to change your name to patrick something or other and moved to chicago. So he buys two horses calico calico for twenty five hundred and bobby dean for a hundred so you can probably guess which ones bad Bobby did smoking say made calico look like bobby dean and this is peter berries. I ring in the us so the purple gangs in on it and they're obviously very dangerous. Martin marks was the leader of the gang and he at one point killed eleven men and fourteen days. So he's jesus not a guy you wanna fuck with so you still a wallet. You go in the boob for three years. Eleven guys fourteen days. You're still out rigging yay we gotta catch him. It's a good system. So peter painted calico at the new track outside of chicago. Eight new tracks and cal. Cal l via paint at the. It's just like. I don't think it's it's not open yet. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like okay just been built or else. There's no racist happening in that time. There happening at the other track. Because in san francisco there's two racetracks and they switch like you'll run this for six months. And then that one for six months gotcha so calica is light bay colored and bobby. Dean is dark brown with a little white star on its head so peter guest are to gamblers are lookouts and the gamblers had fronted the money to buy the horses and then they were gonna bet a shitload on it. So after some time both horses look the same. And then bobby dean is put on a truck and sent to a farm in ohio and calico goes to lincoln fields for the race on labor day right now the purple gang and the to gamblers super excited. They rented a room at the congress hotel. Two days before the race said they're doing it classy. They're treating like we'll make a weekend out of it. That's that's right. You know what i mean. We'll get the presidential suite with older. Some zones will sit up there. We'll make a weekend out of it. You know what i mean. We'll do all right. We'll go door right. I mean they fill a bathtub with champagne bottles. We got a bunch of champagne. We're could be like a long weekend. Okay so yes boosting having a party for the two hundred fifty thousand and they think they're gonna make off of vary sure they're going to make i mean if you're putting champagne bath tub. You are saying the trophies coming home. So peter wakes up on labor day and he realizes there's a really big fucking problem. It had rain for a few days and it's still raining. Calico hates running in the mud. Hates also paid. Yeah paint watts about the paint stays on anyway. Peter course what it takes a little for it to go away. So peter goes to the congress atoll goes into the room right as right about dawn and the party is still going on. These guys are just the best. I was just talking about what we're gonna do some of that extra money we're gonna make you know he's thinking we get a plane. I mean among other voices so good. They're rich you said you had to say something. I'm going to let you go to the second. I just want to tell you how much i love you baby soon. A lot of cocaine. But anyway peter peterson's call it off because calica will lose in the mud and one of them told peter quote. Listen limi- we've put up a lotta dough and come five hundred miles to bet on that horse. You'd better start him or they'll be trouble. Listen to us. You better change reality here so you lie me. He doesn't have of course. I'll go find a way to make this horse better in the mud. Just gimme today perfect. Thank you so. It's a huge huge race. There's thirty thousand spectators. It's the largest race track crowd since around one thousand nine hundred. It's a brand new track. Governors there most the rich chicagoans. Are there tribune called. It said it was like a grand opera opening so calico runs in the second race. And the jockey had recently ridden calico in tijuana but the job is so good that he doesn't recognize calico so he's aziz skilled. That's pretty impressive. Calico starts well but then slips in the mud so badly the jockey almost falls off but he hangs on and he recovers and he somehow gets calcutta finished third. Okay now you can bet for a horse to finish first second or third or show show means they finish in any position. I three so the gamblers almost recovered all the money. They bet they were just short. So it wasn't castrophe yes. They hadn't lost that much so he's spared whatever violence could have visited. But based on you imagine watching that racist who'll christ by like little scottish art like more all christ or christ or christ. I would say this is when and the gangster started to own him. That's that'd be my impression. Okay interesting. so. Peter headed to havana next with his horses and raced for the season there. He made wanted to get the fuck out of you. Know the us after that but sure during that time calico was barred by stewards for being doped in a race and then another race racehorse. He bought it wasn't very good named hotdog. Kept winning up this. Just the worst name was terrible. I have season ends. He comes back to the us and he starts travel around the country running the wringer khan is using. Aliases everywhere the sports editor for the daily news. At one point lead. Peter eighty dollars and a little while after he ran into peter to boxing match and asked peter how he was doing peter quote of doing a little better now and then he opened his coat to show off fifteen thousand dollar bills that were pinned to the lining. What is that in the midst of. What's that where do you put your money in the bank of quotes. Do you see fifteen thousand dollar bills. Fifteen thousand fuck. I forgot me go. I think you give me the jacket miss. Oh well this was cut. Fives shifts fifty thousand dollars. The point of having thousand dollar bills you break a thousand. Don't think i can have an aol here. Then that's probably why they stopped making them So the editor who wrote that story also noted that peter was controlled by gangsters quote for the last three years. He has been the tool of gangsters of newark. Cleveland pittsburgh chicago so in late. Nineteen thirty-one around nate raymond at duffy's restaurant in new york. Raymond may have been the gangster. Who helped peter by the horse actin so for around five thousand so at the same time he bought acne about to shit horses sham an app. I mean dude. Their name together is shampoo. Which is yes. They mean that it's sham. I think the students will begin to name them. This sham nothing had turned yours is good shittiest horse name. You can think of crap. This is this crap. Opponet crap. Crop christie's lost again up sniffing roses so it was clearly named after the three stooges because oh it was actually was ship in it yet Shampoos late shampoo howard. Came in your nine hundred twenty three. Yeah so this was. Probably i would imagine this was named after interest. That's a weird thing to name a horse. Yeah it's a low bar. So sherman never raced ever. He was he was just bad. No one everyone's like he's not gonna do anything so. Peter uses the alias. Peter wesley and hires a trainer so he creates a new alias to hire a trainer. Okay he tells the trainer. The owner of the horses guy named william marino and then the trainer meets marino marino knows absolutely fucking nothing about horses and at the same time he uses. Duffy's restaurant address as zone. Address on farms. Are there any red flags about to highlight and so people who are working with him. Now don't know what's happening. They have a driver transported in the horse. Peter is in the trailer painting sham at the time. So they arrive and it's a different colored horse the recycler. Okay never mind. Peter quote considering horsa faking is an art then. Changing of acton to sham was a masterpiece. I worked on him in the van. I had to change the entire color and put to white legs on him all in this moving van white legs on him. Yeah so that's bleach. So now even the trainer thought sham was sham. When chen was actually accident so the trainer is now completely false. Wow so he wins the race sham as act attended. Sham wins the race on october. Third nineteen thirty one in maryland. The jockey was so surprised by his speed he said quote good god. I thought it was on on an airplane. A horse right shut up. Now i'd give you plenty of oystein. Nothing crazy just had a good today. That's it was. But sherm was a gelding so that means castrated. And acton was a colt a means balls what are we so i was able to shadow the testicles to make it look like the me we ask why they are little pieces of chicken down here. Yes yes of course you. The chicken is there is a reward. Potentially at the end of the race for the horse way to motivate the equine into racing quicker knowing at the end of the race. It'll have some generalized chicken. Could make sense yes. Absolutely he could see everything is on the up and up at pack here so that to make up to fix the testicle no testicles situation. Peer put ice on act. Natanz nuts to retract them. Airing horses painted bleat retract. Its debts will be ready to go. There isn't that's for a minute. The testicles go up in the body reverse. The is the goal now. The morning telegraphs writer. John fitzgerald thought. The wind was suspicious. Mostly because nate. Raymond was screaming about winning and showing everyone his tickets at the rich. It's just seems again like really to get away with stuff. Just don't brag about it. just shut up. Just shut up about it and you'll probably be ok back. Then so fitzgerald started looking into sham and people of the country it turns out had bet huge on sham three days after the race the morning telegraph printed a front page story titled killing made on ringer with the sub-headline sham sham close. It's the best ship not yet not yet. The fuck is this paper. Thank sham quote. There is a strong suspicion that the most important ringing of many years was consummated in this event so racing officials it turns out come to inspect sham and when they did show was gone he he had been loaded into a horse box at two. Am and taken to new york and put in staples owned by traveling. Circus seems like seems like it's a false accusation based on the behavior so now the powers that be would like to see sham. Sham moved to the circus in new york to last night. What are the odds. G sheds a circus or snow orchestra. We call it a harpist ship it to a hawk s sounds like a wizard. Spill is actually when you take your retirement. America's goal though orcas so the other people that want to clean up. I assume its owners and other people they hired the pinkerton now. Pigeons often used a race tracks but now they've been hired to take peter doubt finally heroes. Yeah peter arranged for app to be moved to indiana and then the head waiter at duffy's had sham shipped to date raymond's property ado jersey. Hey we're committing. A crime just wanted to let others crime happening. It's about to go down. Crime horse coming through skews us crime horse horse crime and then after that was moved to a converted garage in highlands new jersey stretch nature like nature. It's just dumb mob stuff it's like that's really something you'd see on sopranos like this is like pony fellas so the guy who was a bootlegger who had also sometimes manage training camps for bro pro boxing matches so everyone says it saves. If you've ever touched the side of athleticism you can have a horse in your garage. So rumor started spread the wringer sham was actually act and racing. Officials are trying to track down actor on and they couldn't the new york. Daily news tried to question shems owner william marino and reported quote. He could only speak three words of english. I don't know interesting so soon. After that story came out marino changes last name to martin and shaved off his moustache and learned english probably pretty quickly the pinkerton then located sham at the converted garage. I mean they are the horse. Pd it's crazy that they do that. And then another pinkerton found to suspicious. Horses covered in blankets at the indiana farm. But they couldn't figure out who they were like. I guess they couldn't get the blankets and forgot. So there is blankets are they can't get them off on their. These are weighted blankets all. These horses are so aid not stress that really alleviate stress the prego deep rem so the bigger ten now is just watching the farm. He's keeping an eye on it and after a couple of weeks. Peter bribes a local cop to help them get off the farm. Okay acta tennessee. Now this this episode answers the question. What if horses were drugs. So now is now being called sir. John and is taken to a different stable. Okay so the maryland racing commission finally after all this time. I think it's like a month. They include as did race. As shep okay. And seven men as well as accent. Showman amp are all banned for marilyn racetrax the three horses and seven guys who a thicker involved. I like how you ban the horses to you. Guys aren't allowed in here either. Did a lot of messed up. Stuff with your. It is hilarious. It's just a crazy idea. Why would you be on the horses. The horses the horses are not gonna come back with these assholes who've banned remove thirty grand honestly. Yeah and your name. Not john horse. I'm a cat okay. So the the officials cannot figure out who peter is. They don't know of the seven guys who's the guy in charge in. Which ones peter. They did ban peter christy wright a week later peter painted acne. Ton raised him as hickey in maryland. So he so what's happening. Essentially i mean it's like three card pony but so they they are trying to while they're trying to determine just exactly what the hell is going on and who peter is. Peter is still using these. Contraband horses and still manipulating appearances and doing what he does thanking names and yet doing his thing. Okay even even the state that's just banned him. He's he could go to another state but he just doesn't look i mean he's lazy herash so in that. I can't be fucked to go all the way to fuck virginia skit. It's like what so the gangsters in that race. One two hundred thousand betting okay. Well so the stewart super suspicious so they asked hickeys previous owner to come down. And i d hickey. We wanna make sure this hicky hicky. We're wondering if you could come down to the horse track and identify of hickeys really icky or not well. The only way i could do that is by the hickeys on the underside. Did i put their sir. It's it's it. It's really pick your poison situation. We're in here and while what you're doing is certainly not okay. We we will take it so you may come down and try to identify hickey long as you stop licking your lips so much that now to get in there. Now that cert- sir you said all you do see the hickeys riddick. Why go by taste also really going to give hickey. Sook puts them all on there. No that's not. No that's a simple deal breaker for us. We are looking to have you. Can we will allow you to look at the underside. Where you've said you've what did you just do. Why did you moan just thinking about a taste of my whole okay We need your help but we are not. We are really thinking about not using it because the i sometimes i thought i don't look for. How can i get that taste and a pie okay. That's just not acceptable to say to people who don't know you do know don't know we'll let you put to hickeys on hickey. But please help us identify that reality. I'm all offer seven certain absolutely not that is just no know. No your problem sir. Seven was egregious. that's ludicrous. That is not we said to yes. We'll drive okay. Only hotel room with me into whole why you live to three minutes away. What are you gonna. Why would not you understand. We can't get hickey to a hotel with a jetta. You want a hotel with jet top and be allowed to give your horse hickey. Seventy hickeys right just realized we had the wrong address all my my deed so the x. Order comes and he. Id's hickey right away because they had switched the horses. Okay wow so me. What a shame. David copperfield level anibal. Cepeda goes to new york arc to collect his share of the two hundred k but the gangsters tell him in an argument lost in a dice game quote. A is gone. We've all had a tough break. Never mind lobby. You'll get your money some other time. Now razi peter never has very much money and this is probably one of the reasons And he's just he's owned by he's owned by them so there's really little he can do. Well it's terrible so. Peter starts racing a new horse gail mont. That was so slow. The previous trainer had said quote. I can throw my hat faster than that. Horse can run. Okay and is he buying. it's not good obviously. Could you get jockey on. Your hat is the next question. You think you'll go out of jokey on it and the intention to have this like normally he's buying a couple of horses is eat buying this sorts because he's like it's a good ours like this one's garbage okay. This this is the loser so okay so he loses a couple of race and then suddenly gail mont is winning. He wins two races. Adwa kellyanne day in mexico. It's got to be so funny for someone to approach you and all the bad things about your horse are like making the deal a little sweeter to them. You know what i mean like when she i know she can't move fast. It all actually get good good. What about ski injured. Yes got a real bad injury. Got back leg to it. She's smart stupid as a campus horse. Done no nethon. Why even finish rice gets distracted fact. We'll take her top dollar to just this month. Suck the belly for a little while. Hickey is we. Don't know much about him other. We keep him in a birdcage so and other county. They're suspicious but he had documentation of who the owner was and all that stuff show depicted said completely lost trail at this point. He kind of dropped off the radar. They totally fucked up. Intel gilmar. Gail mont started racing in back in the us. Okay all of a sudden this race in florida has tons of betting on delmonte so the stewards to get into custody. After the race you're under arrest. Mont had testicles. His teeth were an older horses teeth. He wasn't supposed to have okay. He looked and seemed exactly like a horse named sham. that had one in maryland. It is not possible. Though merely wanted to see gilman with testicles and went to a doctor and had attached a simple as that overnight his legs started to change color becoming white and then two men who were familiar with who had trained or whatever own acton came and they confirmed that gal mont was actually okay. So so the miami Or just florida bands. Five horses in three people one of the people they they ban was willis kane. Who was actually peter. Sure but at the time. Peter was staying in the miami heat under the name. Patrick williams sure okay. So they banned willis kane who. Who's already come up with another alias. That is still known your city. That's right good work really good now. The pinkerton somehow learned about the alias. And they found out that peter's car was adam mechanics being fixed so they staked out the mechanics place. After a couple of days. Peter came to pick up the car and he was arrested by the pinkerton us. Okay peter just straight up admitted that he when he got his car fixed as the mechanic like this. Ferraris actually volvo. Peter straight up admitted right away that he painted actors and he's okay. I painted. I painted the horse. Yes it paints. What's next the new york. Press quote berry is engaging in a little cuss. You cannot help but admire his brazen frankness. He's the best con man. I ever met great so the painting horses turns out not illegal in florida. Of course florida loves that the straggler the da in court quote. You can't charge a man with patriot horse. It's an unusual branch of artistry but it doesn't appear to be criminal florida jests really consistent so it's i would say it all. I don't even know if it's illegal in any states so it's actually mandated in florida. So they start talking about what they charge you within court and someone matches animal cruelty but then peter says he fed them carrots when he was painting them and that works people. Oh he gave him carrots while he bleached him. Okay the judge asked peter what he would give him if. Peter was diana's hair and peter said quote a large scotch at a soda. Your honor and peter was released. I'm sorry dave. What were they on a sitcom court within sit court. Was there a laugh. Track and paid. Or what would you give me if you were dan. Meyer was scotch and soda. Your can't stay mad at this guy. Get out of here got paid. Your pounds can also been that. Some of these people didn't think a real crime was being committed. Because you're you're only ripping off bookies right so it's like they're all like i think that there's a shady area here that they didn't seem to care that much that okay right that kind of makes sense a little bit so right after he was released gets out of court immigration officials start deportation proceedings. Now it's gonna take sixty days before the cases heard so peter reacts to his impending deportation the only way he knows how by going on a ringing spree right so he goes if before he was going at three. He's now going to fucking ten okay. And the pinkerton back on his trail. I'm not even go into it because with all the names and it's so confusing over such a short period of time but just imagine a guy who is using. He's using different names. The trainers are all different names. The owners of different names the horses serve be. They're being painted. I mean i read it. Four times i was just like this is fucking critic track track track okay. State after state name after name up to her so the ringing like roughly. How many horses are we dealing with. Oh my god there's gotta be like this. There's got to be like fifteen or horses yourself. I mean it's it's a lot and okay and you know you're talking about all the states in the race tracks in the the names is really writing that you're just like i can't do this. Sounds like you're calling a horse race. The the the rigging spree even confused the investigators okay people involved popped up and then they disappeared at one. Point candidate suspended. H williams peter christie e. p. bell in george kesselring. Three of those were peter. I love the rebe. Like he's just making up new names. Yeah that's all that's it. Well what's he gonna do now. He's like my name's ezekiel glove. They're like shit it. Despite all this peter is somehow always broke part of this. Probably because like we said that gangsters aren't giving him a share but he's also known to not bet much himself on the races he would never bet a lot interest so he's not woah. I love gambling. Gimme gimme a two dollars trifecta. Of course. I've just very conservative when it comes to basic. I've spent two hundred fifty thousand dollars on this race. But i suppose is put five on him So he needs money. So peter now did the same thing he had done in england and he sold his story to the press. Okay the new york daily news quote here with begins the most amazing race track serial ever printed the story of patty berry. Ringer of courses and master horse faker. So it won't even they don't even have real name right in the article. I know right. So peter leaves the us three days before the story breaks and he goes to the wow the pinkerton are now assured that he's got they got gotta ship and left but a month later he goes back into canada. And then sneaks back any united sta- pretty easy and good work everybody soon. Acton is racing again under other back to his old horses he's not even bothering. He's like i can't quit. You act said you baby. A papers are reporting on these clear ringer races. On december thirtieth nineteen thirty-three. The new york press ran a contest called. Can you tell us where acton is if you could you would win a year's subscription slow. Wait so there there. I mean avenue desperate right so much of the papers i can you find. It's like where's wally right. right right. act and then one track steward sees acton the owner mr smithson who was actually petered vanished. So after a race they knew acton instead of the other horse. They seized him. He just fucking bales a month later. Two men stole accident so he's clearly in some sort of stable that the jockey club the id. This is an era replaceable horse to them. Yeah so to many. And give it back to peter so clearly to gangsters like we gotta make money. Go repaint it again. Peter peter now going away. Mr gareth van heads for south carolina. Mr get of on like cavan. But i gotta literally was like what's your name and a caravan drove by god So at this point he's just always on the move he's never slowing down. He's just constantly in august eighteen. Thirty four he has a falling out with a gambler that he went in on a horse with so peter has a woman possibly his wife he got married again to some like crazy hot irishwoman. She's supposed to be like insanely gorgeous. And it sounds like she into the people go to the stable and say where the gambler is taken the horse and they say that's my horse. I'm taking it and the hands. Like i don't know what to do so you. Let's take the horse. But he follows them and then they go to another stable and they're the stable hands sees peter and recognizes him and then tips off the pinkerton being followed. This is before people knew they were followed. Apparently so the piggott's arrived with the cops and peter is arrested and he's taken to sarasota ksara soda county jail but he doesn't seem concerned at all he's just like totally casual. An american journalist quote he was boastful and very proud of his feats even though he was broke so he's charged with taken the horse but the stable hand then doesn't show up to be a witness and then peter says look i actually own the horse and i'm not one of the three people who took the horse and the jury finds not guilty and also your own a again today. Hair would give you a scotch and soda. Get out of here. You can't say so after the trial. Peter is once again arrested by immigration authorities. Okay in october. He was ordered deported. For entering the us illegally and a pinkerton agent follows him to make sure that he gets on the ship and the ship pulls away without him. Getting off sure. But that wasn't the problem before i know vinnie did it. He's okay yeah that's right now. There's no way will come back because he did it. This type did it last time. So he's back in london. He's forty-six he's broke. He can't own horses in england So once again. He sells his story. This time to the people which is okay. Not the name of way will take a series and it's published starting on january twentieth nineteen thirty five. It's it's like half truth half lies. He's just making up shit. Chew stuff in there and when it was over when the run was over he made a deal. Six more articles a called. What punters don't know giving up the secrets of the right trade. Now this led him to open up a tipster business right so now. He's giving racing tips. You know the best thing to do is painted very different. Why am paying for this so while he was wild. Those what punters don't know stories are being published. A horse with really long odds wanna race and investigation was begun and the doctor owned. The horse turned out to be a doctor interesting. This and the doctor also turned out to have the same address as peter berry Okay doctor so what it turned out was because he couldn't own horses. Peter is now using people to front is owners. Okay right so. The natural progression now is that is essentially painting owners. Yeah right so. The jockey club starts to refuse. Horses owned trained by associates of peter or just suspected associates. Sure the scrutiny over horses now and so does he feel like he's got wet paint on him a little bit of the back. No pass pass pass pass. So he's constantly switching horses from owner to owner. Most of the owners have no idea. What's going on okay. So one of us get a rope. Peter new a waitress at a cafe live near him and quote with his usual coming. One day asked her how she would like to own a racehorse and she thought that was a great idea. Sure so when so the person would buy a horse and then when the horse won the new owner thought they would sell it right after the race right right so a huge instant profit and sometimes the horses are auctioned off directly after the race. Okay so that's how they not only. Are they going to win the race or just. The horse looks good but then on top of that they make money because the horses value goes up right. Okay but what would actually happen. Is i would win. And then the horse would disappear right. Okay so everybody wins mostly now. Peter had his tipping service chicago square. Sometimes it's tips. Were fucking awesome and it got to the point where anytime peter horse jockey club became suspicious so he was now de giving out tips basically saying he was fixing race. Yeah but but it's but he's not always right. I mean some of this is just. I don't think always but it also sounds like the most part his tip line for the most part he's just telegu crimes. Yes right okay. So tip line is a confession line. Essentially so anytime he tips. A horse jockey club looks into that horse because he's just like okay but his scams a lot more complicated now because before he was just walked horses and using fake names but now he's swapping out owners and using real owners. I mean it's just a magic trying to understand what's happening charge so it causes more financial troubles because more stuff going wrong and it does in nineteen thirty eight. He had already been in prison twice for two months for debt. Okay so when world war two breaks out racing is suspended for several months so now things just just completely downhill. He can barely afford to buy a horse at this point. He certainly can't afford to buy good ones and he couldn't even make the ones you could buy win on cocaine the jockey. The jockey club starts cracking down on trainers who are involved in doping. They've been there have been batting ones. Who are not guilty. They're just cracking down. And trenches night right on january seven hundred fifty on the front page headline of the people was ringer berry in racing sensation. I've been doping. Peter admits that he is doped over one hundred horses using his own personal concoction that he called the berry. Tonic contain dope. He'd come up with this other mixture that made horses run fast and he was still using it on horses for two hundred guineas a pop. This isn't this isn't a confession. This is a sales pitch marketing. Yeah peter is now selling berry. Talk co caroline. Yeah so he's i mean he's he's basically is doing integrated marketing yes. Hundred percent and twenty five shillings bottle. People are buying it. The bottle read quote shake bottle wealth. Three and a half hours before race and you'll have a winter available to anyone now. The people must have realized that they had gotten scammed by printing that story because they month later. Start going after peter. Hart okay but that's still a month a month of being able to sell his tipping business. They revealed as a total scam. He he had started offering one dollar memberships but after paying the membership. No one would hear from him. He wouldn't giving tips so he was just taking money. People sure they didn't tell you what you were member of the people that analyzed his tonic and called it dangerous dope full of potassium bromide caffeine. And booze the idea of giving a horse again. I mean it's just like what what world do you think. Like giving a horse gin. This is helpful. This will not hinder. This will hurt will help. The people call peter a menace to the turf. And then the lord complained that one of his horses have been doped and racehorses jacked up their security. They started giving up passports to anyone who was authorized to enter the stables. Ninety two physical sort of id right still routine testing did not start pretenders the thing that could have fixed all this feels a little bit like a covert with us so peter berry at this point just kind of dropped off the map. His final attempt at publishing's confessions had backfired in nineteen sixty two. He was living in london at uh australia house and told official he never had applied for his world war one metals and now he wanted to and as crespo's set to australia on march sixteenth. The nineteen sixty two. He received his nineteen fourteen. Nine hundred fifteen star british war medal and his victory and is award for worst diarrhea diarrhea or best diarrhea. Depending on its best pena lived in poverty and other eleven years until he was eighty five. He was in government housing for single man and he died on july six. Nine thousand nine hundred seventy three the source of this Reagan rascals a taste of skulduggery by david ashforth and then also another article on Historically which is a cool read by judge. Nathan cases called history's greatest racing. Cheat is incredible painting trick So look we're gonna talk about this in a sec. But i don't want to say we're also brought you in part by pretty litter. Everything in our lives is getting smarter. You know i've got. I've got a smart toothbrush at this point. cars everything. Everything's getting smaller. Refrigerators ten so if your cat owner gareth we have some news. We have discovered the world's smartest cat litter pretty litter. How is it advanced. Gareth in many ways. David the first is that it gets shipped directly to your home which is super convenient. Doesn't weigh a lot. So it's not like lugging it but the best. The two best parts is that you only change Pretty litter once a month so you are able to change the litter once instead of often and when you clean it. It has crystals in it that actually change color to give you a barometer on certain indicators for cats health so if there's something troubling or your cats urine which way the obvious way to detect any problems the litter basically tells you that maybe before you'd notice so it is thinking of the health of your cat and a number of ways beautiful so look. Your cat deserves the best. Your cat deserves the world's smartest kitty litter do it. Gareth day to make the switch to pretty later today by visiting pretty leader dot com and use promo code dollar for twenty percent off your first order. That's pretty litter dot com promo code for twenty percent off pretty litter dot com. Promo code up. Yes so that. Was your first horse racing. Second horse racing dollop was the first one the fine cotton scandal in australia. Right right painting not as well done. It is crazy when there is one person who can create that much chaos inside of something know one one person even if it's not to their own great success it's still the level of fly in the moment that that guy was is while it's also fascinating like i just can't imagine living like that like yeah the guess. I guess it's a thrill it must be a thrill that you're getting away with something because i would. I bet it becomes work. And i bet it becomes shitty. I mean think about at the end. If you're you know like if you're doing. I mean the idea first of all that people are looking for you constantly is quite stress but then on top of it the fact that you have a finite amount of time you feel to make your money and you know. I don't know it just. It always sounds so stressful just so stressful to have to live that way you know but but also it's like if you if you do it for so long what else are you gonna. Do you know teaching dog new tricks. You can't pay an old horse new colors. Yeah once you're in it for that long. I mean if you're forty-five-year-old stand up you don't wanna do it anymore. I mean look. Good luck well. That's that's part of the thing that i think when you talk about like when you talk about like a green economy that is like people are like i mean you get it. I mean at the ideas like yeah. It's not ideal obviously to like. Hey you got totally different. It's like do is paint horses paywall so different the ammonia so the it also it also because you know they get criminal records also that keeps them in the game. because then then it's doubly worse then do not have skills. Also you have a record. So what are you gonna do. Yeah it's true. I mean that's that is the thing we deal with today. Also it's like yeah. I mean you know you. Just don't know the specifics you don't you don't know the reality but it is. It is sad. I mean it makes you feel sad for the guy's a sympathetic figure. Because you know. I don't know it's it's not even that you gain great insight into who he was but the way that he's operating and the reality of those circumstances i mean i don't know it just a lot of terrible things done to horses but you still think this guy probably was like just someone who's a liar totally lost the and i think he got. It sounds like he got super into doing it like like he got into like art of it like he was super into like look what i can do. Yeah yes you're the best that something. I mean shit. You know it's like winter white ima- imagine that the horses old trainer did not know that was just fucking crazy like the nice fall down the wall behind their stuff. Yes so bloody included this. Yeah yeah it. I don't know and i mean again. You are being like to animals but it sounds like the entire has bad animals. The entire sport horse race. Still as fucking up yet. I mean that that's something that i actually didn't know until recently how bad it is because the horse track i live near santa. It's crazy is maybe the worst race horse track in the in the world if not definitely the country but they had like they had over one hundred horses die in a year lake hill. A lotta horses there. And then they bury them on site and they lie about it and all that shit is quite a scandal. What's gone on over there. And and it's just so crazy that even in this day and age where i can understand the past but now it's just like i mean people are pretty aware of like what's good and bad for animals and aside you take out the eating part of it but just like you are usually allowed to just torture and kill animals for the hell of it which is essentially what race horsing is like. It's not like you. Could you could make an argument with factory. Farming that okay. provides protein. There's nothing value coming out of horse racing. There's nothing you're if you're buying a ticket to watch an animal. I can't think of really any circumstance where the animal probably is having good treatment about snakes. What about snakes. Like if i bought a ticket to see a snake. What the fuck question is. What are you to ask snake. There's what here's what happens when you to walk you through this having a normal again. Coaching donation to get on an airplane. I go to india. Might be snakes. On the point. I go to a small village. Dudes like we have a snake here. There's eaten four people. It's a giant on. And i go. Can i see it. And he goes five dollars and i pay him five dollars and then we walk out into the forest and he shows me. The snake is going to be argue. I i take it in my hand now and he are you saying that's bad you're saying that that is that is that is not bad but also it's also shane and now what i'm talking about the thing that doesn't exist so no that's not what i'm talking about the thing that you the thing that doesn't exist you're right it should me potentially pokes imaginary holes in my real argument. Yes well done david. Well done well execute. Thank you saved. I mean how many times have you told that before because it seems over. Earth story kid. Yeah i mean it all comes down to it. All it all comes down to you. Know he fucking people need money and yeah people do what they you know if you live in a society that's based paper that you know they money and people are going to do what they can't get money. It's amazing good when people don't have money this stuff look dude to survive eh and this is very sophisticated but yeah i mean this is. This is what you do you know. People don't wanna let people don't wanna work they don't wanna fucking shitty job in an office so okay so you did the horse thing instead. Okay because you know what's the difference between being a horse painter and throwing horse races and working for an insurance company and denying people health care like i'll i'll tell you. What is the difference excitement. So it is weird All right that was crazy. Thanks for the scottish layup. That's always fun. It's always that's always money. I think we call that. We should start signing horses. We signed with okay okay. We've been doing bleach ponies. Mules also with bleach meals and ponies. Thank you muniz could work at the bank you.

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Part 2:Steve Haskin,Tony Black, Mike Smith,Seth Merrow

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Part 2:Steve Haskin,Tony Black, Mike Smith,Seth Merrow

"Of course we're. Covering interviews this alloys stupid. We're. Back. I didn't hear anything for a second case that I thought. Wait a minute. What's good is it I quickly look at my my Equipment of thinking I think cut off but no, it was. Okay. DOT Computer froze up. That's the worst. second-half on this Thursday and Steve asking swings in a in in wake of secretary. Fest. That was that. have. No. Clue. I was in I was in Connecticut and Vermont. After the after the fact, which looked very good. Nice. The virtual tour will friends look good clayborn. Look good. So I had to watch it had to watch after the fact. But I heard it went well. Cool. Well we we featured it. We featured at in part of the conversation I didn't WanNa let it slip through the cracks. So that's nice that though that You had. A chance to spend some time with the baby. Yes actually were in Brattleboro Vermont, and I didn't see the same foliage you did when you were in Vermont because all these were gone on my side of remind. US. All the all believes everything brown in the sky is great. Then decreases bear. Driving up ninety one was totally green. Assist foliage. Pockets of, of foliage. Going up. But. There was nothing we went on a hike and we like trampling all way through tons of leaves that had already fallen. Funny I I I suppose. I suppose that part of that could be that you know the the wind patterns and so forth on either side of the of the mountain range but it it's been gorgeous. Here. I. I mean it it's it's. You wouldn't believe what was going on on on the Western on the western end of of Vermont and. A weird. A big windstorm and that sort of blew. Adult must've must've Yep? But going up, they're expecting to see Usual Spectacular Vermont foliage. It was supposed to peak last weekend and we got up there and then. Before we got up there, my sister-in-law said Rather, leaves gone already they're gonna just got blown off. To bed I thought ninety one was going to be spectacular going up. You know there and I'm saying this looks like July. High Backyard. That's really strange here. It's. It's well, then you then you should've you should have You should have commandeered. The free perks place and come come on come over here. Where we were invited. But we had We had our priorities this time it was Going up to visit my sister learn in Brattleboro. We made We made scarecrows for A. At an event in Brattleboro where people take their own sticks close and they post them and I guess they. They'll be. So we made we made a really. Crazy looking scarecrow from all the stuff around the house and. Took a nice hike in the woods. It was It was it was certainly not had a picnic, very, very vermont the. Fall afternoon except. Tina Tina Nigh We'll we'll. We'll venture over the. Over. The Mountain? I talked about this. I, don't know maybe three weeks ago when we went you ever take. We'll go to Brattleboro for lunch with. To, the Vermont Country Store the they've they've got fabulous. Place. Yeah. The the pork the maple pork barbecue. Are we went to a We went to a Sort of a bourbon whiskey tasting place, they used to be right on the river and they moved. And you know you can get regular drinks but you get take. tastings of different kinds of whiskey is you know Bourbon? Maple this and maple at and all kinds of liqueur. So So we went there and. And you go in the parking lot by the way I think our car was like only call was Vermont license plate. Having people just coming from everywhere around. Yeah. Yeah last week this past week, and we will we were in Manchester, endorse it and Bennington, and there was just. You know. Y- The leaf peeping crowd was all over the place why Steve I'm GONNA put up a picture that that is. Listening and he just sent the picture from Jim Bonds Farm and. It it's gorgeous. It looks like a postcard. Kind of weird I'm going to send it to you. You'RE YOU'RE GONNA pick it up. I Want I want purfication at that picture was taken this year. I know if skips cameras put timestamps on they, maybe they do but. You're going to doubt skip. Me was taking a different year and you just find full of pets one. Well when it comes to different years there. There's another prominent There is a prominent photographer that seems to utilize the previous previously published material the. I'll send you this. You'RE GONNA lie I'M GONNA put this up. It's gorgeous. Just gorgeous three horses out in the field and there's there's geese and. There's everything it's the composition masterpiece. Feel even words. Well you can feel good I, I'll give you something to feel good about a three year old won the Jockey Club Gold Cup. Not only that, but they finished three roles finished one two. That's right. So. Listen I mean it's not what's always exactly. A Premier Jockey Club Gold Cup we don't know how good the sources are yet because it just coming into their own. But You know. Again. I, I, don't like to absolutely not going to second guess or were were judge any decisions made by You know. But he he had been quoted in the naira notes last week about. Code of honor. and. The court was that he was doing good. We're pointing for the Clark or the Cigar Mile. And I said, okay that was a non quote quote. I mean, what? What does that mean? And so I I read on the archives listen to him on on your show. And I was Kinda, surprised to hear that he basically alluded to the fact that. He's afraid of the other competition. You just wait of improbable and I'm saying I don't get it I mean. You know he he said that that was improbable mother Nice, horses and. I, mean. I mean Gordon Breeze class you can't be afraid of one horse sound like improbable is. Like going up against a arrogate or California chrome. Or? American Pharaoh says looking for an easiest spot nine I said. I don't know I mean he knows more about doors than I do but. He was looking for an atheist Party should have run jockey club gold, Cup instead of going against complexity in a force field going to mile. Because I mean I believe, he would have just blown right by those two three year olds. Never. Did Nice up and coming orchards but its second tier right now going the race it certainly was second tier three euros and. You know talking about horses or anyone that travers in amount of quarter one, the jets grew up goal Cobb last year. Getting Vino Rosso. And he hasn't been a mile quarter -CIARY as I mean he's run. Four races and three moving around one turn. So. I don't know what's going on with that was because like I said in the last show. I thought his the Kelso was set him of absolute perfectly out of love them in the. In the Breeders Cup classic. And I I understand why? He's not running in it. I just don't get it. But I mean sure she knows the worst. But if the only reason he's not going is that he's afraid of improbable. I don't get that either. So we'll see you. Listened last year after the go cup shook said that was not gonNA. Run into Breeders Cup classic and then changed his mind which turned out to be his original decision was the right one is the worst. Campaign. And to ship to California, you know we're Shug has not the best of success you know in the Breeders Cup out there. I thought. So I thought it was the wrong decision to change to change his mind what might have been an owners decision. But this year. Maybe, he'll change his mind for the right way. Maybe it'll change his mind go in the race and winning because I think a lot. OF OF THAN Than shut does. We'll see we'll see what happens I'm just I'm just kind of perplexed by it. All it's. Well, it's not necessarily a higher opinion as opposed to A. Perception as to. You know aptitude and what might be a better? You know what? Might be better on the timing. As it stands I e. made it. Sure. Feels like I. It's your feels like the the one turn the cigar mile. It was great that I thought it was great that I realized that an hour later that you call it the Nyra Mile Like old school. Think of it. The old way given the Nyra mile in like what fifteen years or so at least at least. Yeah I mean listen I mean listen if the timing's not right I. Don't know I mean. I just think the doors is crying out from our quarter. Running into met miserly ran a tremendous race in the met mile. Thought he ran into tremendous yet no shot. To win the Kelso and a four. Horsfield. Complexity. Just absolutely control the race and he's not gonNA. beat him a mile I mean. That's you flew home in that we're going to twenty, three, twenty, three, two and Lino in the world. He was going to win a race like that and the only other race beyond to turn rates you had was the Whitney went one fourteen and I mean in forty, nine and one, thirteen and change. It was absolutely no way. He was going to win that race for those kind of fractions. But. This of speed and the Breeders Cup going a mile and a quarter. Again I'm looking at it. You know I'm paper. From handicappers point of view, I obviously can't look at it from research point of being. With the Horse. Every day. But just looking at it from might. Might standpoint. I don't get it. Win. Breeders Cup classic would you like them in that race? Yeah know I I. Suppose I suppose knowing that there's going to be. You know an an honest. PACE scenario Yeah. Maybe I suppose I don't know if I'd like him. I had improbable but Grow again, one, it's to be you know Allen Jerkins always said never be afraid of one, I well. There's not one horse to be but I I there's you know there's no I'm not saying that but my favorite can one horse and. One horse that has the same running style. How Well, I don't know probably a lot closer to the pace. It would be. Based on. Start the other day was that not based on that start the other day. While I was that was that was a small field than the a three speed horses in the news he had no choice, but to sit back and. Forth to make that one race that would move. I mean do because he's not gonna run those other voices mean said, appropriately tremendous rates don't get me wrong. He's really good right now he was very good right now But when you have a short feel like that. And the other three horses in a race are speeders. You have no choice but to sit back and make that one run and basically swoop by everybody would one big move but. Yeah he's always to be. There's no doubt about it. But you know you can have a lot of patient. They're obviously authentic is going to be patient maximum security screaming pace and. you know it'd be a lot of horses close to the pace in there. But you know you look at the Jockey Club Gold Cup in an that came up really with not much we you know we have passed this on the lead going and forty, nine, three in one, thirteen and three. And Tattoo this. I mean, he's become like the Los Angeles chargers. I mean, no matter how we runs. To lose I, mean no matter what he can run anyway, come off the basic can come from far back. You can be on a league. Always managed to find a way to lose all. You know he's become he become kind of a bewilderment. Book Small Field You have. To Up and coming three year olds run one and they ran well, it came home and twenty, three and twenty, four and two. But we'll see you know the Ba- I think I think. Happy Shape. It's still be a pretty big price. And the Breeders Cup Classic. Anything. You know kids laws was everybody's forgotten about. But tell you if you look at the telegraph numbers. There's a very good chance and I'm very good chance that Bob Baffert could run one, two three in the. Classic Talk about the. About the numbers in the preakness. And switched guide divers had run a career-best in ratio in a negative one and a half you know which is good for for Philly. Listen she be prophetic, negative three and a quarter. I see him lose that much ground. He was running like a path outside of her but. Boy Negative three court he'd never come close to that. So I don't know maybe the source it's just really really getting good right now, but I was really surprised to see such a vast difference. Between the winter and the second place who works for the second place gets almost two full points. Faster. than the winter. So I mean. If you go like that I mean he ran absolutely spectacular race. You know you're looking at probably coming off with three straight negative two and a half, and before that, we had a negative three and a half. So he's he's consistently fast right now. A maximum security you know he's sort of heading the other direction, but he did start off the year in in. In Saudi Arabia by running a negative three and a quarter he hasn't come close to that yet. But. I mean you know this is possible but effort Because, could it could be very, very prominent in this race. Really never run a really fast numbers such as he's ever runs life is a negative three quarters. So, we'll say he should be fresh and he should be he should be ready to go. Album. Tops Tyler still intriguing because he's consistently fast tells off a little bit in his last start but he's had a freshening and he could be he could be interesting here. But right now it's Right. Now, it looks like Baffert is is in really really good shape in that race. The one I'm anxious as things firm up Here there there's a couple of intriguing. Types including by my standards and global campaign that when it comes time to figure out who you know who comes. Gets involved You know the kind of boosts things in I. I'll be hard pressed already to to be against improbable though I've been a huge fan of from day one so. You know let's time when I when I. Went through his female family that Debbie Game Family just brings back memories for me. Speaking to by my standards I. Pulled His star numbers to and. surprised. How slow is numbers are I mean I? Don't I? Don't know if that's any indication of anything but I mean they're like no is near these other horse which kind of surprised me because so consistent he runs well every time. But you just have to you'd have to wonder. But listen listen probably was always a good horse. You know he just ran into some hard luck as a three year old but. He's just getting so good right now he really is. And what he did to maximum secure maximum security has never never ever ran his race last time out he just never looked. Comfortable at all. So I don't know if again I. Don't know if he's tailing go off for the racist didn't set up him well running between horses and trying to come from off to pace. But I think I think we'll see some different We'll see some different tactics. But like you said, the thinking about improbable is that you can do anything with them. You can put him on a lead. You can sit right off the pace you consider. You know he's got that big burst of speed when you need it. You know he's GonNa be He's going to be very, very tough. Steve Talk about that. Let's get a couple of other thoughts in the two year old event Who Do you? Who can you equate Jackie's warrior with at this point you know off the sequence now of of three straight. Super impressive stake wins I mean that was that was impressive as champagne is you'll? WanNa see. Would it be Would it be a cardinal sin to like say Seattle slew? Like that, I mean just looking for a two year old that's just absolutely dominates that the you can't you just can't outrun. He just The way he's been running right now I actually thought it the head of the Gretch. I thought we. As measured, I mean look like he was I said. All right. We invest reinvestment risk is right up there. He's right up alongside of him and you know he's a horse that's GonNa come from off the pace she read for Stamina. and. Then straighten out and Jackie's words. It's pulled away from him. When he came home solid, you know twenty, four, twenty, four, three men you know one, thirty, five and two for a mile. Again any and he remembers eight and three quarter lengths back to the third it was midnight. Bourbon. Who I thought you know look really good coming into this race. I thought he was coming off an excellent performance in ages absolutely pulled away from him. Now. It's just a question of how far he wants to go. Obviously, just pedigree for to be a class of course but. He's he's very talented and we'll just see how long he can go how far he can stretch out that speed but. Right now, I mean, this is nobody that's GonNa Kim I. Don't see anybody running them just looking at times of all of his races every one of them was like brilliant times. So. We, don't we don't know how far the Mcclain's music's want to run. You know you know he didn't have never had a chance. was like he was like a racing native type. You know made a couple of starts stars life ran fast and then disappeared. So again, we'll say we don't know how far is one right now it doesn't look sources, your typical model and a quarter horse, but racing changed dramatically we see horses winning Derby Wider Wire now right pressuring the pace the whole way we never ever used to see that. You know I still have my mindset. You know if I see is dependent on the leader, throw him out for the Derby. That's where I keep losing every year because they keep winning every year. The only question I really loved that had that race like that was always dreaming. But sit year if the year I mean you just don't see what's coming from far back anymore and a dirty which is. Kinda Sad. The way because you always want to look for that horse that come from off the pace a big move. And now, the speeders is separating them selves from the other voices turning for home. You realize you pick the come from behind yours you look at this year. Yeah. Had somebody come from behind? To, me live horses for Detroit factor and time for home and I said where I mean I, don't. Know where It seems to happen every single year. Performance. Was I don't know if it was a fluke performance but. You look at Mr Big news look like he was going to win the Derby couldn't keep up with the top two and then you couldn't find them in the preakness. So who knows I mean it's a stranger for. For three year olds I think you've got to top tier horses right now. With authentic continue to law. And then there's a gap for the rest of them will see how good. FUTSI are good. Happy Safer as you know, only had the Ford starts. Mr Guy. Looks like he's not GonNa coin for the Classic I guess they've gone. You'RE GONNA. Go short with him but. I thought he'd be a good class of you suddenly bread from our quarter. I was I was hoping that I don't know like I get I gotTa let me go to my list hold on let me see if I Headed up and now I of course precise that. Guy Go into distaff. So. Why would even? It would be insane to. The Well Yeah the principles are are pretty our. Principles are pretty much locked in. Just look at it. This way you know listen you've got to. Be The definitive choice in there. and. He gets his alone you guys and authentic and maximum security and times tired and. Mobile Campaign Happy Saver by my standards, I guess Tacitus will go. Got To other to California horses who really. Look that good midcourt and higher power that didn't basically for now. It looks like you know. Could be an interesting race betting. Wise. If you love probably a lot of the to some debenham underneath. Steve I'll switch up on a little bit I. Don't know if you had a chance to listen to from yesterday but RIGHT AFTER MR freeze one. that fight yet on Saturday I I said Dale attacks, I said run him in the sprint. and. Unprovoked yesterday Dale brought it up and he said you know somebody sent me a text saying run them in the sprint and I thought at first that's crazy and then the more thinking about it the said it's not so crazy and what what do you think he wouldn't wouldn't this be the right year to run a horse like mister freeze it to me what is what is the dirt Mile Get you? You're running the Breeder's cup sprint and win that it it's a, you know a a significant stripe. Well I think yeah, I mean the thing. I don't think we have a real We don't really have a super horse. Good that you're on is Asked people people forget by the way I? Don't a good for of your question is. Is that name. Mainly, Breeder's cup. Sprint winner. Who had won the suburban handicap at amount of quarter. Precision. Est.. No. US. Put it this way we just. The early part of the show we were talking about his trainer. Right. It was a fifth source dancing spree. So Gosh. Dancing spree what could he doing in the spring sources? One he one of the suburban. Wanted to squint at all and it was so much speed in that race. and He came absolutely fly the NBA cut through on the rail and came flying at the end of that race To win to get up I think about three quarters of a length, but it was like. A sort of like a Breeders Cup phenomenon that nobody really remembers mentions at all but. I've never seen a horse come into that. You're right about positions. Position has he came back. He was coming off a long layoff they had -freshing them up and sharpen them up. And and that was that was a terrific Breeder's cup sprint but Precision that said rape shown in his career that he could go long or short he was just fast stores who can carry a speed amount quarter districts was. Thrown closer. He was a come from behind doors. Who the and a quarter suburban. So to run a misprint, I mean, there's absolutely genius of Of Shrug. That was that was year two. He was he was loaded. He had easy goer going that year and you got a lot of good horses that year. I think I might walking area had mining. Not Knowing mining was year. Forgot. Who else you got A few other voices, Breeders Cup that year but. That was stroke of genius running dancing springs sprint. Just look like wild with anger is this all about? I should tell so maybe so yeah. I mean It it could be set up from. Look I was I was looking at this way by the way he's well especially seven six. You don't know unless you have some really really tremendous sprinters. You know if you have like Super Sprint and look at last year and the stakes now I don't know no way I can beat him six furlongs but. If you have a if you have a race where you look at it and there's a lot of speed in the race. A lot of time spree sprint races and one by the class horses. You look at the Malibu. Longs how many times did you see horses? You know distant sources winning that race I mean buckets wanted and Damascus wanted and I remember when. certain ran against. Snow. Chief. Ferdinand for. In the world can be snow chief going seven zero blue right by him. You know. So sometimes, you just you just don't know I remember calling Nascar rain unbridled. In a sprint sprint race, you're going twenty one and change in one one off easily. So something a lot of times. It's it's the class horse that wins these race What about Gulch Gulch Gulf here goals goals Gophers a practically a miler who can stretch speed out definitely obviously to amount click the wood memorial or so. But that was that was a great trained job in a great ride by Cordeiro. but that again, that was race that was set up beautifully for him and he was able to come from the patient and when you're talking about a two-time bet mild winter. I'm I'm just looking I. Just I his his name jumps off the page. When you look at the list of of Sprint winners, you know that you that you know was successful going around ground whether it's one turn miles or or or two turns the and even even when he got beaten things like the Whitney, he was competitive Going going in my life, but I tell you, it has been a longtime steve since there's been. This kind of a gambit you know in terms of a of a offense Dick. Route going type that's tried. To win the sprint. I'm just looking through the. tried. I'm just wondering if there are other Other voices like that this year. Well. I. Think would be a good way for for for Mr Freeth. I mean he's got. He's got some not full speed. I. Just you know you look at the list to speed of winners versus what the what the you know not that you know not the dirt mile winners haven't been nice enough but it it it's just not. You know. and He needs as I said two to Dale. As a sign of tonner and serve he kind of needs. you know a big. Great one stripe. Not again not that the dern I'll. There there's been dirt mile success stories I mean Golden Sands, and midshipmen right midshipmen would fit that. Boy You went a Breeder's cup sprint and given you know his other graded stakes wins going rats the ground. You really have built a strong case when you go. You Go. Hunting. I don't WanNa lower the reputation of the dirt mile, but I can't remember who wins most of. It's it's funny. That way you're right. It's funny. It's such. A Mishmash of of racism is it's one turn some years to turn some years not even a mile I mean just. You run at a mile and if you're running around to turns senator. you start looking at these races and say it you know in that keeneland insane. Past you know you drawing outside post and it. Is True race to me the breeze up tomorrow would be a prestigious race every year run around one turn. Yes that was the. Film on. It? It would be. It would be a good race but to me. A A one mile race around to turns is no different than a mile and a sixteenth raise. And Milo sixteenth is a distance where you're not gonNA find any grade one races amount of sixteen cheaper distance mount seventy yards miles sixteenth. As there's no difference. This it's. You don't really find. Yeah I know Golden Sense did it and he was he was a good miler. But. He just dominated that field. But I mean, if you to look for a true Meyler, you can't you really can't look at the Breeders Cup Mile. I'm not saying that haven't been good horses that have won it but if you look at the to turn Breeders Cup Miles. I don't even remember who wins most of them I. You know much you remember who wins the Breeders Cup sprint a lot more. Yeah. Well by the way. Celestial. Like Matola going this year said I don't know if I would I don't know if I could be able to beat him like that but. You know anytime Anytime you get wide open race and. You just you just don't know. You'll find looks like a really good west, but he's just three year old. So we really don't know yet how good he is. Yes. Run that much I think he's only run four times. So you know you take a shot. We've seen BR using sprint one one from way of the pace. Zombie came from face midnight loose to. Came from way off the pace to win it. Yeah we've seen it We've seen a lot of years. Well here's here's a little note since we're on this topic and and Here's a great little quiz today. There's A. A maiden race a for. Three ups at Keeneland There's two year olds go in the fourth, but there's three and up's going six and a half in the fifth to start the pick five. Today and Steve Asmussen has a I horse that is making a first time start in the barn. Named extreme force that happens to be. A half. To last year's dirt, mile? Winter. Really. Yes. We remember last year's. Last year's. Dirt mild winter. I I. I don't remember mild winters at all. Well and he wanted like an absolute champ and. We kind of we actually liked him Last year spun to run. Spun to run. Okay Spun to. Run. Well. Again. You know if you if you go back and start looking at the School go back and start looking at the breeders. Cup. mild winters but. The thing is spent to run I mean when you look at that when you look at that race You know it was it was sort of a strange ranks. He just went out there and install it really if I remember correctly pretty much. Yeah. He he just random off their feet and just you know as Jay says went to the front and improve disposition he. He. killed. Them and then but then he came back and he ran very well if you remember if he came back in the cigar and and ran a good good second in the cigar to back it up before you know having to be retired. He was second to maximum security in the cigar. So. I don't know where where's he where I forget where he? Signed on where he's Standing. Early days when they start when I started the the. Dirt Mile. where I think it took three years before he actually ran it on the dirt at a mile right. There we ended up mom. So, we couldn't run it as a mile and forty. Miles seventy miles seventy I think. Committee in one. The next two years it was run on synthetic. That's correct. Yeah. You know and so I said well, let's you know. What are we going to finally get one? W, remember to one those I think what I think. My Albertus maximus wanted to see did he won the second one? Had that Ramsey horse with his name? Planned for. Right. I'm trying to think who else I think they ran rented at Churchill. Was the name of that, horse? Darfur. To Kota phone is right now who is always gonNA remedy sources. CALEBS posse the. Best. The best choice that wanted to Breeders Cup. Mile was Liam's map I mean he's probably the best one. Well, and he was criticized. When he won he was criticized heavily for. For for that decision when they took, they took the path of least resistance. Is I, want you to see him in there because with him out of there and beholder out of the race I should. America faeroes can absolute locking here. Nobody's run with them. To everybody wanted every or a horse that couldn't count American federal, the League dropped out of the race. Scratched right at the last minute and other speedways I forgot who it was another speedo scratched. Got Hurt or something restless he came out It would've been a long shot, but he was still speeders. You're right. You're right. Now, that you say it might have been California horse. I. Remember that. The league I remember who it was. I can't remember his name. Interesting But that's just left America Pharaoh. Completely, a alone league was not without being challenged some saying what the heck did Liam snap on this race listening one he wanted to. But. I don't know. I mean he's not going to It was like remember like that because Because of what he had done earlier and he was a brilliant horse. I get that with Midway was another British up mild win? Absolutely absolutely marcus. Camby cousy greet turning. Looks like he might be a good sire. But A. Lot of people are GonNa Remember Camera coups were tap is are. You know. That sounds like maybe Oh tap is what I'm thinking who could say. You know what? I. I cited Midshipmen. He didn't even win. He was third. In two thousand, nine I I gave him credit for winning one but he was third A terrible field that was that was the furthest Landrace, right? Yes. It was with ready's Echo in between Probably, take another sleep. Possibly, the Neekam from way out of it. Yes. He did you beat Shackelford and try to watch. I'm just looking at this Gunrunner gunrunner was second Timbre coups. How funny is that I've forgotten that? Forget about that too. That's why and accelerate was third. That's very interesting I. mean the washes that you know you think of distance sources. What last year you know it's funny. Last year last year was a great story AH respond to run and Omaha Beach. long-term product. Well yeah was started badly in the midst. What's he doing back? There I mean he had no shot to and I. That was the type of race you looked at the when you got the race she said so much we still race. Let's go out there and there was no you for these mild it was speeding there. And we? Got Out there and just outran everybody. You don't you know who is third that was a fun story was that that crazy Korean horse that blue chipper? I right it's right. Yeah. Yeah. Actually ran a huge race. He was terrific. read the a absolutely terrific race they hit the board. That we we've. We've probably spent more time in the dirt mile here that we will readers. I don't even know how we got started thought. Well. Written. Mile. I distracted everybody because you know extreme to get back for a second to this race today Qinglin. Fifth Race Twelve to one extreme force. that. Is By constitution out of the Nice. Yawkey way who we remember New York and You know there's been away since January. This is one of the Portland farm one of the Don atom horses that Marquette NICAD and Now, this one's now, with Asmussen, he sent them around to a couple of different people but When he and mark split up and I think there's reason to think you know. This is a very funny field. There's some I. There's in here Catalano got a Gary Mary West. A Away for a year and a half. I thought Larry Jones. Larry Jones has got sibling of horse you loved. That you and I argued about. You the Super Steed. You're the only person who kept believing in Super Steve. Super Steed hoops league. named. Blast from the past his he's got an empire maker brother who's been gelded already It was a very modest purchased but had a nice enough debut Churchill in September in the race that produced guided missile fastly is in here to the the bread Calhoun Tom Durant, Justin Philip Cole, but I thought totally Jimbo, six to one on the outside. That's why put on top just interesting race the Chad's got A. Three chimneys Peter brant half a million dollar into mischief WHO's been gelded as it happens was gelded back in February. Mystic Knight. There's all kinds of things going on in. Races Racist. Olga. Versus running two weeks from now. I i. You know I just I, I got it. All I kinda played out the week and this card is too much fun. Today six, the Sycamore later, which is always a good race. a nice card that came with tonight to to allowances to maiden specials. But then it ends with a twenty nine two. Oh and It's good this really good to maiden race at Belmont. Tomorrow that could be interesting. What going to my phone? Go go go to mile and a sixteenth. Sure that rates. I did not look at Friday at A. Player's got. Puts his got some in the and chat. Brown. Some really really well bred horses. Check out kick out the at Tomorrow. Mild is my mouth sixteen, two year old. Pulling it up now. Nice Chad. Go Peter, Vex Oh. You know pletcher fifty, it'll be interesting. I mean actually actually one of the one that shook source that. Yeah, he he this. Great Frost. And plus has got a first time by by frosted that supposed to be a really good horse and he's also got he's got tapping for Peter. Brand. Named Savoie my honor Code. We saw that horse at Saratoga. We I saw that race that was that was at the end of I was at the end of Saratoga that's also the race that produced. Yeah produce speakers. It was way too far back but he closed. Is He He could be It could be interesting. Issues Horses going on the sixteenth makes it makes it makes it very interesting. That was closing the horse. She didn't mention What about what about the bridal would Donald Byrd Oh bread I for Chad a for todd. That's out of baffled. constitutional. Law. Yet. Right exactly. Yeah. I I'm start he's he's the one who's It looks like he's been working pretty well. It's it's it's hard to tell taught. You know because You know right now. Sources training over the training track so you really can't tell how. Face they go but he's only got the certainly has the the pedigree. Being by TAP it. Steve GotTa were. A lot of good pedigrees interesting to watch receive anybody comes out of there looks Glad you I'm glad you fresh that out. I. Appreciate it. Let me. I've got to get Tony in here. So I got Very offended. that. I'm very I'm. I'm very funded by the way that. In your scheduled. The guests for today you didn't mention me. What do you mean? You mentioned frank gangs and you mentioned. Tony. And you mentioned Dick Powell's and you did not mention me. Stirs Maybe, I'm not going today everybody everybody every. It's No I. Know why? Because some of the proverbial man who needs no introduction but I'm bump there you go. No, it's it's it's Thursday. So they knew well, you know what I did I was tying specific topics to the to the guest lineup that's and and I didn't have a specific topic for you as our you know as the andering. Honoring. Produces No I feel terrible now. Steve. I appreciate it and Steve Folks, Secretary Dot Com, and you can also interact the course Everywhere. Steve. Ask is on on the. Million home. Claim. Thanks Dave. Take Care Steve Ascot everybody Tony Black standing by we gotta get I. You know I don't know how many times how many weeks in a row Tony we can talk about these whip rules but certainly Mike Smith stepping up and taking a stand and you know at. Drawing attention to the topic regarding California and the to the. R.. Be To state officials. Good Morning. Good morning, Steve Yeah, I read Mike Smith's letter and he hit on every important point that was the hit on You know it's a safety issue. It's an integrity issue when it comes the horses finish and it also becomes an issue with the paper crop that is used. So he was hitting all what hearts of these ripples which believe me that there are detrimental to the business into a jockey. And Orleans safety but we also kind of put people on notice guy who is going to be liable if you plant the seed of negative thought in a Jockey's fine, we're he allows ease with rules to overtake his instinct and what he knows ride on his back and it's not doing. So you know not reacting instinctually versus back because we planted the seed of thought about a wit role in his brain WHO's to be liable if that results in injury to that jockey who's going to be liable you're going to be the racing organization. It's authorities commission. There's a liability at somebody's going to have to Be On notice and this letter that he wrote kind of places out at. and it seems to me that in many cases, liability lawsuits get more done. to put people on notice that they might be subjected to one. Then it does all the screaming and yelling does about a rule like this. The only sad part of it is somebody get hurt before that he people who implement. These rules are being liable for an injury to a writer and a horse it's ridiculous. The bottom line is you just need people up there monitoring the race monitoring a jockey's performance and use of the whip that knows something about riding a horse. You can't put a blanket rule out there. That fits every circumstance that a horse subjects a rider do in his performing on that as a jockey that horseback I can cited incident and it was better years ago my first incident of going through the inside fence at Pimlico and I. I had been my right hand and is usually closer to the outs insight bent. Then you are to the outside France, because you know you're running on the inside of a racetrack not on the outside. So there was this horse and I'm never forget his name last Les T. was in the Seventies. He decided going into as Paul was gonNA, take a shortcut and go through the thirty eighth call. I didn't have a chance to get my stick over into my left hand. 'cause you carry it right in and he went right through the inside bench PIMLICO and I've done my teeth out and landed in the cement garden that used to be a debris as for maybe still there and never forget the blues and scrapes and cuts. I had all over my body and And it was that day I said Jesus was trying to boat. I would have had enough time you know to get this took over was in my right hand and do one thing and you know what you do horse that is uncontrollable with the bit and the rains At Lot of times what will save you in a save me from going through the outside bench was your stick is cocked you. You wave at them, and then at that does they don't respond the way it Adam your region you smack him in the soft muzzle of their nose because there is a sensitive area and the WHO has stopped trying to get out the bit is controlling because you created a a Jewish in that they don't like a stinging to the left to the right side of their house. And data you need to do with a cock stick when you're telling Jonky can't caucus did and the only reason you're saying, well, he can snap on the shoulders much want because you can't tell when a stiffer gun car if he snapping him on the shoulder and they feel that that's not granny That's nothing is going to be engine to a horse by snapping on his shoulder with a non cock stick, but you have to be able to calculate how do you show the stick really really show it with an uncoxed stick on top of that when it comes to switching sticks. Usually when you're switching to your left hand, your stick is cop and you pull it right grow. The one thing that they're all missing me racing jurisdictions and the commission. If you want to pass rule that says you must use the gentle touch three sixty that Ramon moving the whereas has. been. Experimenting with and it has a good stick out there. It's being widely used. That's what you have to. Enforce that enforce that it's being widely used bank show. Every jurisdiction uses it but don't come up with his BS you can't walk it. Don't come up because I'll hit you with sleeve and my my my my saw touch sixty will be caught and you'll say man that makes a lot of noise bertone. Could. I really liked this deck, but this is all BS and his letter was right to the point and I don't know if it's going to serve any purpose and you know the other thing we discussed jogging basically stereotyped as little dummies that don't know anything except putting a leg on each side of divorce, and they've yet to come to a jockey's a be a part this discussion with the commission be a part of it but they don't do that because we're stereotyped as little dummies at the only thing we know how to do is put boots white pants on and funny Lookin' College. And The oceans there with Jackie have some intelligence and and and weren't. Yes. wearing a funny look little callers and boots and pants and had a brain in her head to do work and they're even more of today that in their head and get work I remember no job Ning Genius and he was very instrumental in running the job skills being a part of the formation of jock scaled and the guy was a financial wizard. He was a financial wizard. He not only invested the job skill money into the stock market in different areas and ran it up to millions of dollars he himself because he Was a neighbor and he was also. Nick. Genus. Was the. Job Skills Managing Director, for many years Even taught me a little bit of financing, but there were other guys that did well as managing director of the jocks like John Giovanni. You know jockey that had a brain in said, he was well spoken. He knew little a lot about business and dealing with management. But You. Know it's a shame that junkies on giving a little more credit. We're having a brain in her head and I guess in some years past the earned that stereotype of not being the smartest people out there. Now I know probably what affected me in the negative way which probably landed on my head too many times when I did come on. But. I just wish that they would involve jockeys in in these. Types of discussions concern with. Rules that concern your performance on the Horse's back well, a the question. Not, the question but the. The, very fair critique for those that. Are. Dedicated to. Changing. The. The way. It looks regarding the stack. A. Is, there is there a practical? Re Education that that can be accomplished with the writers because one of the things that Mike was saying in that. Letter is that you know the jockeys are accustomed to and are trained in to use. The stick in in with certain physical. Maneuvers and how how difficult will it be? To to relearn. This I mean because I gotTa tell you Tony. It. There's not gonna be it's not gonna go back the other direction There's going to be more restrictions and there's a whole. You know there's a whole community out there that that doesn't think there's any reason varieties to carry a stick period. I, mean there's that there's that whole school the thought. To me, it's a slippery slope because you're. You know you're you're acquiescing to criticism from people who you know who don't really know and and we've tried to educate but it's obvious. You'RE NOT GONNA. You're not gonNA to accomplish that you're not going to educate the public thinks the horses are being abused no matter I mean if you're using a NERF. Ball. The they're GONNA GONNA? Think it's abuse-. Well Yeah and you're right about one day. It's never going to go back to what it was I understand that and re education sometimes takes a little bit of time and some of the best education that jock he learns from fines and suspensions, and you'll teaching the this isn't acceptable that was dead last year ten times from the quarter fault of wire he was not picking it up. He got no response from the stick. What were you doing you know? There's a warning thousand dollar fine suspension five, seven days whatever. Teaching, you know you're GonNa Understand in the thirties, the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies there was a re education of what to do as a writer out on that race track. You know there there was times that riders used to get so close and Hook other with the also with the stick into the chest of the horse next to you know and actually Russia up the stint I mean there was actually junkies that twisted stick into the tail of the Horse in front of him and you to the side and you know what I had all. The. Other stuff. Chris Right where you put the stick in the tail of the Horse. That to the side of you in front of you and and put a lot of pressure against the tail pool. Tony Tony? Tony you up for one minute because I got. We've got Mike Smith and. Mike thanks for joining us Tony Tony is sound off he he loved what you wrote. Thank you appreciated? Trying to you know just trying to get get it done work. Done properly and where everyone can use it nice and safe and and. And you know. Good for for. Everybody else you know. It Mike, you know you. I think one of the things that that you communicated and certainly Johnny Velazquez well as you guys are co chairs and. Janis, frustration is that these rules are being passed without any discussion with the writers or if there is discussion, it's lip service that they're allowing you to say something and then they just pass whatever the hell they want. I mean we're we're we've been allowed to discuss it with them, but it doesn't seem to do anything. We just kind of say what we believe in what we think and what we really know, and then it just kind of doesn't. Quite, go our way at all you know I know there needs to be a change but but. You, know we want certainly meet in the middle at some point you. Just completely one-sided which you know we don't agree with Especially, if if you ridden a horse, you can talk to Tony about its. Use It here in California where they got it where you know. You know it's number the number six but only underhanded. Oh and you get a big old sudden lugging in. Pretty good. And you're trying to use the property to keep the horse straight and keep everyone safe It's very, very difficult Can't hardly do it Really even do it all so. You know it. It can be dangerous at times so. You, turn it up and use it properly. And and like I said I, we all know that it's deal. As and everything is going to be some change. We're all for that the number six, but you could use an underhanded as needed, and then when it's time to turn it up, maybe the number six and you can use the properly to go ahead and that's the horse. Finished you keep them straight to be able to guide them and. You know to get Beth out of them. And be able to. The user properly and safe, and nowadays we use these these foam cushion with cooking crops that are. Man They're they're just brilliant the so kind of very friendly they don't hurt him in any way. you see him especially the good ones we have nowadays. They're amazing long as you have to use one of those and. You properly, it's for everybody. And they make a Lotta noise don't they might make a lot of. Yeah. And done and it doesn't. Show. The impact is so light against their high. It shows it doesn't even. Look my love this soon. I love. Geno. Three. And they not only with low good. They're amazing right now the great. So You you fly where you have to use one of those and and. And just able to use it properly and. We have no problem, but for some reason they. You know they WANNA make to lately changed. The way you're supposed to use it and it's not working. I totally agree that you know the stick, the type of stick that being you should be focused on and not how to carry it, how to cock it and change your whole riders point of view of how you have to. Count the number when you're in the middle of A. Players having account at the same time. It. Just makes. Them. And and you know Mike when it comes to using the stick like you said, there were times you have to cut that stick up in order to show it properly to the horse. Skill enough yet see enough of it, and then sometimes you know I went through an inside Ben's once and I wish I had it in my left-hand and could've tapped him in the nose just so I wouldn't have gone through the invite then but the same situation can occur going through the outside bench where the bit no longer steamer source the bitten rain no longer stairs doors, multitude of reasons that could be a bruising doors, his mouth, and the more you pull on the left rain, the more they get out and you're less. instinctually thinking is re cocked the step tapping on the nose when you plant seeds of negative thought about using stick in jockeys mind he might get away from thinking instinctually what is the right thing to do and it could result in an accident and my whole? Thing is who's going to be liable for a job getting hurt because you put these negative thoughts of use of sticking in his mind and he goes outside fence you get. To, use property Bruno again it could. It could. It could. You know you're you well, no, we're letter your letter was. GonNa come up and then what's going to happen Your letter was beautiful. It was right to the point and you touched on every area that needed to be touched my hat's off to you and you know what they but. Again. As much as you dad, me were friends. I'm sure he's looking down and say, that's my boy. That's what am I? That you made my day. Buddy you. Guys I. I love to talk, but I've have in the middle of a training session here. Go ahead go. Now. This was perfect. I love it Mike Smith everybody and for those for those that are curious because. Tony. You're saying wow Mike Mike. Smith and and and Tony Black over over one hundred years worth of writing experience and. The total number of wins between Tony Black and Mike Smith. As of today. Ten Thousand, eight, hundred four between the two you. We've been around. Their. Budget as about sixty seventy, thousand times we been around that oval and probably hundreds of thousands of horses we've been on in the morning. Maybe you know what's maybe This. Tony Lee. This is amazing. Actually. This is really quite something you have had. Thirty three, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four mounts. Mike Smith, thirty, three, thousand, seven, hundred, and seven. So seven thousand outs, sixty, sixty, seven, thousand, six, hundred, sixty, and seventy one. But you both have had essentially you know thirty three thousand almost exactly two, hundred miles apart two, hundred fifty and you've got five, thousand, two, hundred and eleven wins Mike Scott Fifty Five, hundred and ninety three wins your your careers. Are Really. In terms of experience, there are almost identical. Left him I'll tell you what I remember when he first started and I said I was real good friends with his dad's calling every day that a lot of conversations that we were both. So proud of Mike when he went to California and fit right in with the jockey colony but we weren't surprised with Mike has been a world class writer for a long time and he's been someone that I have total respect for and I just hope. That these organizations that try to pass rules when it comes to riders, performances starts to get started to get a sincere. I'd be s communication but sincere communication with Mike and People, liking, because it will benefit them in the long run and it will benefit the sport and right now we have to, of course, make sure that the betting public is you know accommodated, but we can't do that by putting these rules out there that just be. The enter just put out there to Schmooze the public we have to put rules out there. That really are factors. They really fit circumstances and we need people monitoring the sport that really know what they're looking at. They just didn't wear suits and ties and shiny shoes everyday. Moore's is back Samba least somebody and we have to form another ruling body with a person that works of all with the steelers that auditors Kreider performance on his back. Let's do that. You know have another only body or have someone out there. That's a can just the stewards in a way if he's not a story out of course thirties and he's a socio Stewart that. Is used in consultation you know let's do something but don't put these blanket rules out there because this sport had so many variables. Blanket rules do not fit every circumstance in any way in the sport of horse racing. Tony Black everybody. And Mike Smith there you go I we always. Trying to think over the years Seth Merrin is GonNa Join US next over the years. Tony. Trying to think who else we've paired you up with you I've put you with other riders a bunch of Times Nick obviously saying I gotTa Rich Mickley Ori a few times. Now Mike Smith who else have you been on with? Right I I know we've been one of you guys different writers. Yeah. You got the world class riders that you put on there and I was glad they didn't hang up when they heard that I was one. please. I'M GONNA put up put up these numbers side by side to because it's scary. How how similar You're the statistics are between the two of you guys and Mike started in what in eighty? Eighty two. So he's got He's got about ten years less Than you do in terms of. Statistics will be very different. purse money earned. Well I I wasn't going to get into that I wasn't gonNA I wasn't GonNa give that number but. He's got about five. It looks like about four times but still you you've earned sixty, three, million and and of course Mike you know with with all the Breeders Cup Opportunities and the international those you know those those those crazy purse opportunities three, hundred and thirty million but not ready. Didn't do that I did I. didn't write a race for two thousand dollar pot at racetrack. I. Don't know he might have in his early days though right in new, Mexico and. Some of those I'm sure there are some of the Bush You know at some of those kinds of places in the countryside those little country, those little. You know roadside tracks. In Yeah I can never forget right new mobile ray stagich person I. Think there was a two thousand dollars a person twenty, five, hundred with average where he ran for twenty five, hundred dollars per every once in a while they'd have a big ten, thousand and fifteen thousand. Governor's Cup although. He was a fifteen thousand dollar person that was a big payday that day and it was in a dead he to Tony Agnello. Past we love. Mike, what a world class rider he is and So proud of him and I'd like I know George His dad were good friends and I'm sure Georgia's prouder than proud to have. been. The Dad. This or Mike Smith. he's He's a unique individual, outstanding athlete and of has. Has Tremendous integrity and credibility and respect in the sport horse racing so very much. And I'm. Going to put. Just. Putting these numbers together side by side. It's it's UNCANNY. How close the the numbers parallel each other Tony Black Tony. This was great and I appreciate. You know we we keep coming back to this topic, but it's you know it's in the headlines it it's. Too important not to discuss I appreciate it. Absolutely, correct and I to discuss keep up the good work It's always a pleasure Steve and I really appreciate all you do for the sport. Thank you. Tony Black everybody the one and only, and we'll stay here we got less than fifteen minutes and today today's been stacked up again, we just took the one break yesterday. We ran out of racetrack and we Miss Seth's marrow. We're going to get him in right now. Here he is. Mr Summer Casual. Good Morning Matt Damon. Kimmel the the guests that stays in the green. Before. Listening was enjoying the show yesterday I'll bring up those listening earlier today I'll bring up you didn't mention you've mentioned the breeding being mentioned constitutional law in that eight come on. That's a full two constitution. So A. Look. At that look look at you. Look at you Mr Nature Nurture a whole. Handicap for tomorrow. Top I'll stand one. Look at that I'm very impressed with you that that. That is also a bring up. I was listening yesterday with Handy and I was one of the people on the outside looking in on that. Kinda. Crazy. Wasn't a d. q the nonstarter keen on the other day where the gate didn't open on time. and. And the upshot of your discussion I guess we're Kinda where you guys were to. These you know some of the rules in rules like that. It's hard to know what the right answer is. But I wonder if they couldn't I don't know who would hurt necessarily. Pay refund any wager that had that horse on top but pay out the rest because I said I was on the outside looking in I was in doing TV that day and I call the cold exact with the seven to one shot at cop and the Chad were that ran second eventually was declared the nonstarter. So I was kind of a little bit disappointed with the result there. And as they say as you're talking about yesterday you and Andy It. You know the Horse re-instill well, and got there for seconds of the people that exact and triples. Kind of. Like they say you're on the outside looking in. and that to me and pulled up to Kentucky role but I pulled up the New York all in the New York role as if the steward's. declared that the horse. had. An. Unfair start. And it says specifically in the rules if the horse doesn't win. They have to then declared a nonstarter. So their hands are kind of tied in that situation like I. Say I wonder if the track could just say, would refunding everything where the horse. Would use win slot, but will pay out the rest of them. But maybe that is unintended consequences. I haven't thought about it either. and You bring you bring up an excellent. Element of this, which is. That that there isn't necessarily. If if it. If it was unfair. What determines if it was quote unquote unfair. And and and if it if it in fact, I, mean if it was an unfair advantage or an unfair disadvantage and as Andy said if the horse wins. You wouldn't have taken. Would they have taken him down if if he had won The new rule says a horse wins he stays up. There we go. Saying. The Kentucky wasn't. It's not. It's not delineated. I didn't see the Kentucky tools I tried to look up saying. Don't. but you have to I mean I get the gate open late. If you watch the head on shop, the GEIC definitely opens wait. So so the people who who had the horse in the wind spot have a have a perfectly legitimate argument there to. like I say the rules are topping the other day in New York there was the situation. And the eventually did nothing but as I was watching the replay, a New, York? There was a Mike Lousy longshot bound up running third. Sunday. Yeah, and you could have made. I think. He was so close that they could have switched it. Again the the winner didn't really deserve to be the one who would have been the winter. The horse ran second in Iraq deserve to get corralled into the wind spot. So how did they rectify that? It's just the they're tough and? You could change the rules I suppose to give a lot more discretion the stewards, but I think that would definitely have some unintended consequences. I don't know whether they'd even want that kind of power but I I, was looking at that the other day I was thinking how could they rectified the I mean to me The perfect solution, they just won't do it again, it would give Stewart's an extra level of power. You say the winner was the clear winner maybe you do something with the jockey and then call a dead He. Just. declared a dead heat because the the horse ran eventually went third. Probably could have been second and the Horse Yeah and so you get away with that but again there. Say they're. Pr. Perhaps unintended consequences to those kind of decisions as well. I'm always for the best decision that helps the most better but. Some players I don't think wiped that because they figure after families epithet a win and the time I went I'll get paid. Well. Let's get everybody paid. This afternoon, what are we looking at? You got a little keeneland. Race today I'll just toss the one always late interesting. The second time Star goes into the barn at Belmont but schilling, analyze the odds and that one one it's career take deals until for always late I have an eleven four, three, eight in the. Fourth. But again that eleven in the second star started Kentucky downs but Jason Those maiden special weights over there and so I think the move over to Kim keeneland been moving bill far maybe good for intellectually get the five to one. So we have about five minutes of working. We got it. I've got some of the late action. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to switch over the the pick for you mentioned Well, I'll toss out the the fifth race gives you mentioned extreme force. I don't get that one and yeah, there were a couple of nights siblings. The met a couple of maybe that weren't so much extreme force out at one, seven, eight four and that V I thought it was a top race but I wanted to Chad Brown I like intimacy at the pay half a million dollars gap Leona shoeless usual and well the Chemo and so one, seventy four in that fifth. The asmussen horse you mentioned does scare me there's no question about it. Six race in the late pick for have three, twelve, four and one I thought this race would have some pace for dance rhythms to close into. There are a few other horses in here that I think will show a little bit early pace and again, dance rhythms I think he kind of stock maybe be the first to pounce at the top of the stretch so. I'm done with that one on top and then go out to the number twelve originator who again can maybe sit up the patient and make a move late and pick up some pieces there, and then one of the horses that I think has some early speed, the Wesley Ward One. Lady Worthington in the third spot. So in the sixth three, twelve, four and one. Seven three allowance on when there's one other types to nine one in ten glory road on task for our Stewart again owns writing well, he was on board the Horse last time over Churchill it was a nice effort In similar non winters a one competition. The numbers are going in the right direction lately, race that again moving in the right direction maybe prime for good to try today at five to one Dan Bourbon in the second spot. A couple of good tries to tell us and Churchill most recently broke the main to back got the experience at this level last night. So Pencil take a starter to as you move to the Mexican dishes and so this or Scott that education last time and SPA city the Dolphin at Brad, Cox and there are. Some races that seem to indicate some talent they got ambitious tried the Tampa Bay Derby didn't run that well, and there has been off since I thought that was some flashes shown a talent of sparsity comes back ready off the layup to play in here as well. So the seven. To, nine, one and ten. Sycamore Fun you mentioned earlier front little mid week stakes race. Thanks, Jen six to five and three. Beyond Tap the United Nations to back was pretty good sword dancer was okay. Gentlemen who got out there when all the way around himself. So that fluky day where you know the track had. Poured, and then the sun came out and then it if you watch the replay, the ratio you would. Be surprised that it was the stop tracks because by the time they ran the sun was blaring put. It was a funny tracks of the third. Best I was okay but I'm looking more at the United Nations to back red night looks good up the past couple of starts but I think big agenda The five course on the pin now that one I mean. Ten to one might maker Tyler gap. Leon coming up a couple of good Optional Wins One of them over at Kentucky down. So big end is going to get out of my ticket. At a price and their thoughts on the Sycamore. I you know I'm all over the place and I and I haven't built the tickets yet. So I may end up spreading widely because there there is no shortage of candidates I mean the The key here is is the pace I mean how much you know who who is it and and you know where's IT GONNA come from eons takes the blinkers off. So. That is a consideration. Graham is so good. These first time North America runners Z. AD is GonNa get plenty of attention motte with red night I thought postulations even. For Matt's. Has got some some appeal? I'd love to see I'd love to see. Peru get aggressive and you're looking at big agenda. You know as as a potential potential pace factor. And a horse that might you know Gaffe Leo not padded at seizing control either so I thought that the pace question mark is. Very. Murky here, and that throws you know kind of into A. Into a little bit of A. Of A. Tizzy. I don't know I haven't decided yet. What what are you doing? I have seven, six and three. You're right. It's tough. To sequence major attraction I, top for race to back with the move to turf very. Doing a little bit done in a starter allowance that was clearly salt year last time than the group. Today's all the rebound to that race to back again with Kathleen with got me on board for Catalano seven, six, three for me. SANTOMERO everybody Sept Marrow to on your twitter and capital not. At daily Dot Com. And You know at. At? Outstanding. Watering holes throughout Saratoga. I WanNa fake sat at, of course, Tony Black, and Mike. Smith. Together again, for the first time they've been they've been in the same gate, a number of times. Steve asking Frank Angst. Dick Powell Hong Kong. Jockey Club H. K. J.. C. Racing. This Thursday I'm GONNA finish. Writing. Up. 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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - October 9th 2020

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - October 9th 2020

"Welcome to the weekend stakes preview on the horse racing radio network presented by naira vets. Jackie's warrior with a two and a half length lead reinvestment risk ask for more than hours. The field comes into the stretch Mutaza becky's and third, and now there's three sixteenths to the finish at is Jackie's warrior. Jackie's warriors got four likely reinvestment ISKIN second and Mutaza is third, and this is an impressive performance here for Jackie's warrior who makes it three for three in his two year old year he wins the grade one run happy hopeful and the time for the seven Furlong one minute twenty, one and one fifth second now here's Anthony Stabile and bobby. Newman. Pleasant. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere? Beth's. Racing Radio Network on the big a Anthony Stabile in New York Bobby Newman's down in Florida Philippine peanut producer is in our Lexington Kentucky Studios. We wrap up the women your inaction for twenty twenty and the road to the Breeders Cup continues in earnest tomorrow. Belmont Park this Saturday and Sunday four tomorrow one on Sunday a grand total of five win and you're in races for the Breeders Cup World Championships now, just four weeks away. down. At keeneland in Lexington Kentucky. Of Action for you. Across the country. And north of the border twelve races and all coming your way in the next hour. What's happened bobby? Looking forward to another big weekend looks like a mini Breeders Cup this weekend at Belmont Park with all the big stakes they have on tap and you've got two year old got dirt races, turf races, older horses short long going to be a lot of fun. This weekend is as we get ready for the Breeders Cup, which as you mentioned is. Is Not far off in the distance. It is not four weeks away. We have you covered tomorrow for the Flower Bowl and the Jockey Club Gold Cup will have it. Live coverage is presented by Breeders Cup from Belmont Park Tacitus looks to get his first grade one win in the Jockey Club. Gold Cup tomorrow take on a couple of three year olds. Happy Saver and mystic guide the Jim Dandy winner from this past summer the old spa. As well as that flower bowl. Well, we'll see. Seven fillies and Mares, go the mile and a half punch a ticket for the Breeders Cup filly in their turf play along all weekend. Long all-time play any track anywhere at any time. dotcom Promo Codes H. R. in twenty. Posit Mash up two hundred dollars head over nine dot com for more details. Cross country pick five, tomorrow afternoon. We're GONNA cover all five races. On. This program I is the Monmouth Monmouth, Park that's like be is the flower bowl like see is the Fayette from Keeneland The Sands Point, which will be run after Jockey Club Gold Cup. And like e is the Challenge Cup. So we'll go over all of those races in that cross country pick. We'll tell you more about that sequel remind you of the sequence a little bit later on. In this program, we got a dozen get to let's jump right. We'll start with a two year old tomorrow at Beautiful Belmont Park Champagne grade one champagne, a flat mile winning you're in for the juvenile, a field of six going to post here. I would think bobby, all eyes will be on the first finishes from that hopeful Jackie's warrior. Gates Awari when the Saratoga especially came back to win the hopeful month for the day later, investment risks, Roka's meet, and impressively in his first start chased Jackie's warrior for the second half of that. Hopeful to no avail we'll see with the extra furlong now hopefully, seven rations a mile. I don't think we are solving a Rubik's cube here when I say I, think it's down to those two. It's a field of six that I agree as a field of to the inside three runners I don't think are even close to this caliber and with all respect to number six, midnight Bourbon ran second in the Iroquois last time out I don't think that race or the races he is one are really nearly as fast as either Jackie's warrior reinvestment risk of run thus far. So it is a rematch Jackie's warrior figures to make the. League once again, there's not a ton of speed near I would think reinvestment risk will be sitting second or third trying to track down Jackie's warrior reinvestment risk I thought was a bad even money shot last time out off. One. Race whereas Jackie's warrior had done it twice. So Ed. Twice, as much experience as reinvestment risk and it run easily as fast and Jackie's warrior into edit up, gained the job done at this as the second choice rather at nine to five. Now a little more experience for reinvestment risk in a little more distance, and maybe a little more breeding to handle the distance than when you see for Jackie's warrior Jackie's warrior by Maclean's music out of an AP five, hundred mayor sounds more like sprint breeding to me on both sides whereas we investment risk by upstart out of a candy Reid mayor maybe a little bit more mile middle distance tie breeding than Jackie's warrior I think reinvestment risk is going to continue to improve I. Think the extra distance will help his chances and I'm going to pick him to reverse the order on Jackie's warrior and run that one down and win the champagne. Could not have said it better? In midnight Bourbons, defense he's run three times. They've all been a mile. And that's something the other two Jackie's warrior and we investment risk having done. I, thought it was five four would have considerable drop off the number six midnight Bourbon and a big drop off to the fourth horse. But at midnight, the bourbons defense, all of his races have been in the mile that quirky one and a half turns at Ellis Park, and then he came back pretty quickly from his maiden win. He won the main at Ellis Park and then he came back. In two weeks to run second in that Era Koi. I think there's a considerable drop off to him. But he's no slouch either and maybe when all said and done if he continues to improve as the distances get even longer, he might be the one you want. But for now it's a flat mile I'm with you reinvest risk over Jackie's warrior reese number four goes as the champagne reese number five the grade one for is that for the juvenile fillies when you're in another flat mile field of seven this time Steve Asmussen a strong hand in here as well. He's got. CANTATA who. Visually bobby they may not have been a bigger made in winner her debut on the in the opener on August sixteenth was eye-catching joys rock cats got plenty of speed. She's one in the slop she's one on the all weather she got beat Nice Philly Toby's heart on the turf. She'll get back to the main track and then the Schuylerville winner day out of the office that was a plan break by trainer Timmy Ham he wanted to space there starts he wanted to have already for two or three races in the fall off the Schuylerville wins she went to the shelf, and now she's going to try to stretch out in the first set as well. And the difference between this race in the champagne is that you have a couple of graded stakes winners already in this race and request and day out of the office and. Crushing field and the spin away already a grade one winner. Now Day out of the office crushing afield in the Grade Three Schuylerville I don't really I know it means a lot as far as breeding down line but as far as class level when it comes to this early in the two year old year, not a whole lot of difference between a grade one and grade three basically get the same the same runners in those races. Super impressed with the way Vic was one the spin away last time out I. thought it was very professional effort despite really not getting out of the gate super cleanly recovered went off to win by almost ten. The time was fast one, twenty, two and one for seven furlongs. She's by Nyquist out of a mine shaft mayor. So at least on the damn side, she's bread to handle the. Extra Distance I. Know Nyquist won the Kentucky Derby his you know it seems like his offspring has been a little bit more sprinters than routers but mineshaft certainly a more route route distance don't love the inside post but died you gotta put your faith in the writer and the writer's Louis Sayas and to be honest there isn't anybody in the country riding better than Louise Sayas right now looking for. Can Get on that win streak in get her second win in a row. Yeah. She makes she makes sense I think they have at the office makes some sense as well. I went back to canton I feel like she'll get the right trip behind some of the speed. Now you also has joys rocket and he enjoys rocket is just that she is fast I would not be surprised if she's doing some dirty work upfront also wouldn't be surprised if her speed forces a horse like the number one question to. I don't know maybe back off. And maybe let her go cantatas been in that position to stalk and make the one move. The other phillies of kind of been in the thick of it throughout. So I think the advantage goes to Cantata in that. Aspect of it as well. I put her on top I'll use the one, two and five. In the early pick five with. Being the top pick in reached number five, the grade one for. Race. Number six tomorrow we're not covering six, but we want to let you know that there is a mandatory payout in the Empire six tomorrow Belmont Park we're recording this program during the raciest on Friday. On Park, before Before the Empire six begins on Friday there was a three hundred, eighty, six, thousand dollar carryover going into the racist on. Friday. Provided, it does not get taken down by one winner. Earlier today, they'll be about four. Thirty, four, twenty, five, four, thirty, waiting I would imagine. They'll be a pretty big pool tomorrow in that empire. Sick. So I know I'll be. There's three stakes and there's three main races so i. it's there's some work to be done a lot of maidens. A lot of pedigree work needs to be done a lot of two year old race. It's three two year old races in three stakes races talking horses begins at eleven tomorrow you could turn tune in for the rest of my selections Andy Serling as well. You could also find them at the website at NYRA DOT com. Again that empire six begins at six tomorrow and it will be a mandatory payout. We'll reset the pool and I would imagine we'll have one more pool from from Sunday. To closing day on November first. Last race we'll cover before we go to break is race number grade one fireable. You'll hear tomorrow here on the network bobby and I'll be on from four to five presented by breeders. Cup. These channel series to nineteen exum to a one horse racing radio dot net, the flower bowl. A field of seven originally, just a Charlie was supposed to defend her flammable title. Looks like she's GonNa, go up north and run in the EP. Taylor at Woodbine instead. Little sister my sister nats here though. To waive the Peter brant forest and light green and defend the family name maybe defend the title in the Flower Bowl as well. And didn't we already see the family do well winning the ARC triomphe wasn't sought sas part of this family as well. Yes. My sister NAT. So Nice. Family to be part of I'll tell you what Anthony this flower bowl stakes. is to me as good as it gets there are seven runners in this race and I honestly think. Every. One of the seven runners has at least some chance at winning this race. I know there are a few that are a little bit of a reach. You know it may be a reach for Beau Bell may be a retrial. Lovely. Lucky. They were only a length or a lengthened half behind civil union, my sister Nat last time. In fact, Beau Bell was only a knows behind my sister net she was twelve to one. My sister nets three to one may end up being the favourite in the race I. Think it's Wide Open. There's not a lot of speed in this race maybe can be apart from the inside goes, but she doesn't really WanNa go she might just end up on the lead. So I picked the third of the Chad Brown trainees number six may lady nee who I think maybe just getting good at the right time she's only at eight career starts she's won five of those races. Cooling or last two she's one four of last five. Best. Work is not come at Belmont, but she's a better philly now than when we last saw her at Belmont already won the grade three matchmaker already won the grade to Mrs Revere she may be good enough right now to handle the sponge reminder this mile and a quarter race nee lady nee has never been more than a mile and an eighth, but she's been closing a mile and an eighth. So it doesn't look like the extra distance will harder. I'd be shocked if somebody drew away and really won this. Race with authority this seems like it's going to be dinged on battle down the lane. I hope they lady gets the right trip I. Think she's as good as anyone else I think she'll be a better price than other Chad Brown trainees While Chad Round speaking of Chad. Brown he has won. Six of the last nine runnings of the flower ball sixes the record. Owner Peter. Brandt. has won three of them. And Actually that might be stake Peter Brandon may have won four of them that I don't think this has updated if I'm not mistaken. It is not updated Peter Brant one four of these So he's looking to add on number five. Chad looking at on number seven. In fact, Chad Brown has won five of the last six the only one horse certain way was war flag back in twenty seventeen. War Flags GonNa wear those same Joe Allen Silks Wallow seemed Joel looks the number three civil unions wearing. So perhaps the only thing stopping Chad from winning. His seventh could be civil union I thought. Came to your park is a Philly that I think when you have horses in Your Barn Oni and newspaper of record. And sister. Charlie. A Horse's good as Cambier Park can get overlooked. Overlooked, at the windows she wants to great ones last year, she was six to five and nine to five one G. This show and she did one from off the pace in one gate to wire. I've always really liked Cambridge, park and I think the race last time that was a nice stiff mylan on East no-one no-one turn she gets the mound misspoke early none of mile a half mile and a quarter of the flower ball. I think it sets per for this I like came to your park over my sister nat the other Chad can win I think civil unions well but I'll be focusing in on my empire six, my league pick four and my late pick five on to your park and my sister Nath, my onto picks in recent memory, the grade one flower. All right. We'll take a break. 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For, we'll bring you the foul and Johnny Twelve Goal Cup live, and recap the champagne for Zach from early on the car coverages presented by Breeders, Cup and begins at four PM eastern tune in on serious to nineteen accents worn or stream it live on your home for all of racing's biggest events including the Breeders Cup at Horse Racing Radio. This is Carlos Martin and you're listening to the horse racing radio network. This is the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets as the field comes for the top other strategies. Are. Somebody ears tacitus on the outside. Mr. Botha's under the web and racing in third here comes tacitus pride alongside a parsimonious. At it is Tacitus to take over the lead with a furlong up Benesch. Tacitus now draws away and tacit is pouring on here. He's GonNa win a one, hundred, thirty, four. Suburb run. By, eight lights and it was a photo for second between ready and Parsimony, and the time was one minute, fifty, nine and two fifths. John Every hour on the call. Of. The suburban passionate. At beautiful. Belmont Park, we'll see if he can get his first. Grade one win. In the Jockey Club Gold Cup Tomorrow Afternoon Big Sandy Welcome back to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets here on H. R., and before we get back into the stakes action time now for the blood horse news update and look at the top headlines from. Dot Com. Venetian harbour is raven run B. C. Fillion Mayor Sprint created vision harbor could race in the October seventeenth to Lexus Raven. Run stakes at Keeneland as a potential steppingstone to the grave one Breeders Cup sprint there November seven care Richard Paul set speedy daughter of munnings won the cree to Las Guinness stakes by nine and a quarter in February at Santa Anita. Before running second past rehabbing get some of the stars of the three year old divisions she ran behind a skydiver in that. Great. Fantasy stakes. At oaklawn. All by speech in the grade one ashland. On July eleven keeneland and chased Gimme in the August Eighth Tong jeans custody six a great one at Saratoga Racecourse Yeah I. Think we're going to run in the raven run ball I said I covered by telephone California she's doing pretty well actually really well, she's been training at Saint Louis. And had some good breezes. She seems to be happy social probably have a final breeze this weekend Sunday and Monday, and then she leaves on Tuesday. That wraps up see things initiative blowers news update. Don't miss any news as we approach the breeders. Cup. Don't miss that news in only blow horse can bring you follow the news throughout the day on the popular daily App Four. have an email sent to you once a day both Afri. Dot Com Slash Deli. And to race in three weeks, we'll see if. We'll see if she's able to pull that off body. That's going to be a tough ask I, think, not only because of the competition she's going to face in the breeders. Cup, let's just a it's a tough ask especially for Philly. I, don't disagree. I don't disagree. We'll see if Baltistan Venetian harbour can pull it off race number nine tomorrow at Mont.. The Great One Jockey Club Gold Cup mile and a quarter quarter of a million dollars on the line a birth in the Breeders Cup classic. The Mountain quarter starts on the clubhouse turn a little bit of a funky starts shouldn't be that big of a role though for the start to feel the five in here. They're all chasing. THEIR FIRST GRADE ONE WIN Led by Tacitus. Tacitus earned two point nine million dollars in his career. That's almost three times the amount of the rest of the field combined. Plane. Simply he is. The heavy. In this race he's already won. GRADED STAKES ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TAMPA BAY derby. Rather. The wood memorial the. Suburban the most recent ever made right he wanted them to. He he's been close in grade one races and to be perfectly honest anthony he's been close in grade one races with much more grade one caliber fields than what he's going to see in the jockey. Club. Gold. Cup. Tomorrow. I don't want to downplay the competition. He's facing on Saturday, but there's some unproven. Competition that he's facing, you have happy saver and mystic guide Mr has never faced elders. Happy. Saver is undefeated against. Software competition than what he's going to see in the Jockey Club Gold Cup prioritize ran great last time out in the Woodward he was only about a link behind tacitus he has a chance although he may be pace compromise he likes to close. There's not a ton of speed in the race and name change or I'm not one hundred percent sure is quite as good as this level of competition. So to me if Tacitus runs his race, he's clearly the one to beat and the strange thing about the anthem is the way the pay scenario is. He's GonNa be right there. The whole way I can't see him being you know worse than maybe second in the early going. If happy saver goes from the inside, there's no real front runner in this race and Tacitus who used to be a confirmed closer has learned how to be closer in his last five or six races I. Think there's a chance we could actually see him on the lead and he could take them all the way I'd like. To See him on the lead tomorrow daughter summer close hatches, and tap it Yeah. I I think this is his race to lose by far. I think both happy saver and Mr Guide would have to really jump up guys one. I. Think has the potential to do it. I'm a fan of the source you've been offended source to blinkers are something we both thought he needed the he got him last time and he put it all together. I just don't know you know all of these horses all of them seems to be compromised by the lack of pace and I would imagine name change or goes now remember last year. Junior who's GONNA climb back. Aboard. Happy Saver He Jack Venal Rosal. At the starting gate last year and got the win before qualified. So happy savers our worst it's been on top of some fast pace as well. He may try to very same thing this year entertain junior who's back from. The Cova quarantine that he was going under. Happy Saver could very well try to try a front running mission here. I think that could hurt his chances. Because he's never tried to do that before we'll see it's tacitus this race it's Tacitus race to lose. He's pick res nine goes as the Jockey Club Gold Cup. You'll hear it here on the horse racing network radio network. Again, four to five tomorrow on these channels covers by breeders. Cup the Belmont Park Saturday action raps with the great to sands point not Breeders Cup winning your in but still a nice little race field of eight three year old fillies flat mile on the turf. Jeff Brown as you'd imagine. is going to have a say in matters. He's got a couple in here here first time in this country from Europe and selflessly got up in the League Georgia's fourteenth one time. This is a pretty interesting race. There are a lot of different ways you can go in this field and where I wanted to end up I think that. This is this is a real tough one because I'm not a word with the ones on the inside that I think are going to be. The favorites in the spot selflessly is is a nice Philly who got up in the final strides to win the late George last time out speak to be of summer is. Rarely runs a a bad race but I don't think she's dominant in the spot so I I went with number five miss j McKay for Catha Lynch, and John Velazquez now miss j McKay has never been for farther than seven furlongs in her career. She's really not bred to be better routing than spring being by hangover kid out of a street boss mayor but I liked the way that she's been finishing in her sprints including two starts back. In the Coronation Cup at Saratoga going five and a half furlongs where she was only beaten half a length by she's my type. If she can transfer her sprint form to this one mile distance and remember, it's not a traditional to turn mile on turf course like you would see at most race tracks around the country it's blue. It's it's one turn and with like a little slight turn at the very beginning of the race. So it's more like an long aided sprint as far as I'm concerned and I think that's going to help miss j McKay and I just think that her sprint races pointer out is very dangerous. She seventy two on the morning line I think she'll be at least that if not more because she's her connections are not the billboard connections that maybe from some of the other runners. So when I. Look at the pick foreign to pick five tomorrow I'm singling tacitus. And the Empire six. So you could spread a little bit need other races I thought four of these horses win one, two, three and five put selflessly on top for a couple of reasons a, she does not only any money. In a nice school with only George last time be. I've always been a fan of hers and to me the race to back into wonder again was too bad to believe and she came back last time. You could say she got a great ride and she they've come gave her an amazing ride. You know. Michelin did not get a good trip and maybe even if she if you think she second or third best last time she stole ran the best race by far our life and I think there's more of that to come I. Think there's a chance we've seen the other phillies in the plateau. You're dead right about miss j McKay. Her races going shorter distances are better than pretty much anything we've seen in here from the Americans. I don't know Tammi here was facing overseas I'm not I'm certainly with her between her work tab and her connections. I'M NOT GONNA. Let her beat me multi-race wager tomorrow. If Miss Jamie K- can stretch. Miss Jane. McKay. Very tough tomorrow. I don't disagree with that. So I think there are too many question marks speak to me of summer has racist can win this. So I'm just using the one three and five I made selflessly the top pick but that's more for posterity than anything else reached ten goes degree to sands point. Across country pick five begins with the monmouth tomorrow and the MONMOUTH goes. Right, around three fifty, three race number. Eight on the card down at Monmouth. Park tomorrow Weather's supposed to play a role on Sunday in these parts not tomorrow though should be fine. Field of nine is a main only entered as well. Nine to go on the turf Alman are is back now are won this race when last seen in May of last year. Postponed because of the covert, our has had trouble staying on the racetrack when he does though he's awful tough. Last year when he wanted, it was a great to event. Now, it's down to a grade three event, which is unfortunate for Al Manar and everyone else in the field but Allen ours best races I think are better than what we've seen from any other turf horse in this race and we haven't seen him since May of last year normally think that is a big negative doesn't seem to matter when it comes to Chad Brown's Barn. In fact I he wins with these extended layoff types ridiculous thirty percent clip I mean. It's just unbelievable how strong Chad and his team are with these extended lafrance. When they're when they come back to the races, they don't need a race they fired their best shot and Al Manar is best shot is probably good enough to win mentioned. He's one for one at Monmouth One, seven out of twenty lifetime starts. Most of them have been on the turf comes from off the pace and there's some pace in the field. It's not like it's going to be a rock solid pace compounded has some speed Mr Alec. Can show some speed maybe enough just for ALMANAC data but I would use also number eight bowel harbor who has never tried the turf. He's by First Samurai Carson city mayor decent reading for the turf to me Bala harbors dirt. Races. Are As good or better than any of these other horses run on the turf problem is he's never run on the turf. He's run on wet tracks. A few times I don't think is wet track efforts are as good as as as dry track efforts. If you're of those people believes that you know if you can run well on a sloppy track can run well on the turf for vice versa but I don't WanNa get beat by Bal harbour. If I think he's the best in the field. So I'm GONNA, use both of them bow harbor and Al Manar but Aldars my top choice. Yeah I mean it's hard to get past Alman. All right. You know it's funny. You mentioned Belle harbor and I said to myself as you were talking and. We look at all these races. Bowel is never on the throw he he won at aqueduct two winters are going to three horsfield where he was by far the best art horsely paid. Nine hundred and a three Horsfield. I'm sitting watching the race in long shots either before we were going on the air with. We're used to call race day or it was an off day and I remember just tapping out on them like at at at seven to three for you. All. I couldn't believe it. He hasn't won since that day bow harbor but and that was the last time he was entered in turf race. I don't remember if he was entered manger. Day but yeah, he has. That's something that we'll have plenty of time to discuss the winter when the stakes action is a little leaner how you sometimes you try these horses on the other surface just because of their talent, right you're going to get you're gonNA. Find out about this horse tomorrow. At six to eight to one, messing around him because you have horses like Mr Alec here for Christoph Lamont and Paco Lopez Allen Grade one winner for Chad Brown. Come back off the lay off and like you said Chad's the kind of guy where you don't have to worry about it. You don't even have to worry about what the source because he's already worn off similar. Layoffs. With the source. So yeah I mean it's tough to get past Alanon I'm going to be playing across country five I'm certainly not gonNA use Al Manar not you serve the king the other Chad Brown hair gets tonio auto from the rail and like you I am GonNa use Belle harbor open before some using Mr Alec too. So I'm using the four of them Top. Pick. He'll probably get the job done and even money and a quarter to bankroll gets wasted. In the cross country pick five that wraps up. First Half of the program, we'll take a break come back. For New some action from keeneland in Woodbine and turn the page to Sunday. 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This is the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere abets the field is at the top of the Stretch Antoinette's been in front right from the start continues to lead Nasih blondes on the outside moving at the second hair comes magic attitude. Now from third day, come down for the a foul and magic attitude kicks in here magic attitude has taken over the lead from Antoinette magic attitude makes her. Debut a winning one and the grade one. Belmont Oaks. By two and a half lengths. Antoinette was second. As Bosch Finish third. Magic attitude takes show on the road. She'll try to take down the Qe to Challenge Cup keeneland tomorrow afternoon. Welcome back to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bats you're on hr she looks to go back to back in grade ones having easily handled onto that and the rest in the grade one Belmont oaks invitational. You WanNa follow Bobby Newman along head on over to narrow bets HR in twenties the Promo Code. That any track anywhere any time with Nyerere batch dot, com HR and twenty. Deposit match up to two hundred bucks tonight. Our vets dot com for more details. Cross country pick five tomorrow kicks off with the MONMOUTH includes the two stakes were about to talk about from Keeneland, as well as the Flower Bowl and the sands point from Beautiful Belmont Park. And of course, an empire six mandatory path day tomorrow. Thinks kickoff race number six, three, maiden racist three graded stakes over to narrow bets dot com for more details on all the Fayette grade two mile eighth. At keeneland tomorrow afternoon field of ten. The three to one favorite is the number six MR freeze. Now, like I said earlier, bobby I will be playing a cross country. Pick five tomorrow. I will not be. Picking Mr Freeze on top and when all is said and done, I put that ticket together. I don't even know if I'm using MR freeze in that play tomorrow. WELL MR freeze may get the lead Mosa may get the lead I'm looking at number five title ready at ten to one to come closing. He's run very well, and all three career tries at keeneland. A CHURCHILL GRADE TO SHEBA behind by my standards and Owen del last time out he was overmatched that day and he's also trying to close behind a very slow pace. They went twenty five and three, quarter forty, nine, four, the half, and just not conducive for a horse who wants to come from off the pace. So I'm kind of drawing a line through that race. Previous tries including that tough allowance race at Keeneland to starts back. I think are good enough to be right there. If not beat this field, he runs a good race almost every time he goes to the track. The also runs well on a wet track in there may be somewhat weather at Keelan tomorrow subtitle ready at ten to one is where I'm going to go. Like a one coastal defense for Dell Romans, I don't know what took him. So long to stretch this horse out To the to turns but man was that the fastest race he's ever run last time out I. Know it was a five Westfield Got Luzon. An easy lead from the inside draw but you know what? He's got the inside draw again in here tomorrow. I noticed some fast horses in here. But I would like to see Joe Talamo aggressive because truth of the matter is the other speed is drawn to the outside and I would like to see him kind of protect what that said. I'm going to use a few in the I'm using coastal defense the number one. I'm willing to use the number two captivating moon I'm going to. Use The number tax. And I'M GONNA use the number ten earliest maximus. We'll see if I'M GONNA. Use. Mr Freeze I wanna I wanna see what happens yet the scratches and the rest of ticket but I like coastal defense and I'm going to lean on coastal defence a little bit in this play tomorrow this eight hundred, thousand dollar yearling purchase finally starting to live up to the price tag and I think as the. Distances get longer. I think this is going to be okay I like coastal defense to upset the great to Fayette tomorrow at Keeneland grade one. Challenge. Cup goes as race number nine mile on the turf t awad magic attitude comes in off that huge win she was third in the French oaks fifth and French oaks beaten just re-links links before she came over she had the easy score last time against. you know what she faces are a salty bunch read lock on the outside just upset the grade one, del Mar oaks out on the West Coast you have hard knock and Phillies Michelin, who won the dueling around the ruling Rounds Oakland Kentucky Down Hendy Woods is always in the mixed things and then you look to her inside and onto its back she's a listed stakes winner. A couple of times sweet and Milan has done nothing wrong in her career having never been off the board and eight starts in Harvey's little. Oil didn't have the easiest time. Bitten had doing rounds oaks last time when second. So. This is a tough bunch for a repeat and bobby she has to do in three weeks. So I went with number one harvey's will goal I. Think She's going to get the right trip just to the inside of Sweet Malania and Antoinette who looked like the two speeds I don't think there's any real dominant superfast speedy type. Philly in this race I think it'll be an honest pace with sweet Milania onto an the fastest of the speeders and hirees little oil from that inside post may be sitting just in behind them third or fourth. She was second beaten by Michelin and Kentucky downs last time out and race that was a mile and five sixteenths on that strange turf course I don't really count that. But I think she may be better off going a little shorter a mile and an eighth me sooner batter she last time she ran a mile and h he one the greed. Three regret sitting second just off the pace ridden by Martine Garcia whose back aboard the Bill Maher trainee I dislike that Race I. Think a repeat of that regret effort makes her the one to beat and she probably won't be favored on here because of magic attitude. So Harvey's little oil. I. Think She's going to get the right jump on him and She's going to get the job done in the queen in the qe to. Okay I'm using her and I'm using magic attitude I may even throw Antoinette Antoinette's raise last time she's coming back a little quick to I know she went wire-to-wire to starts back I. Think She's GonNa be better with some with some pace in front of her and I think sweet Milan is just going to go to lead that data experiment last time when they took her off the patiently George I didn't get that move last time but I would imagine they're going to go back for. Wanting ways tomorrow? I. Just don't know if she wants to go on my on but if she's good enough quite frankly I think it's getting better. I think anthrax probably has the edge going on in eighth over sweet Milanya we'll see if magic shows up with the setup, she's supposed to get even if there's not supposed to go that fast but. The setup she's supposed to get some high. She's supposed to beat these sources again, but I'll use the three of them. One three and four magic attitude. Top pick race number nine goes as the qe to. Challenge Cup. All right up at would mine. And we want to remind you that there is. Still, stakes action obviously going on up at Woodbine, the Cup and saucer tomorrow. The Durham. Cup. Agreed Three on Sunday which will get to in a little bit. I Post. Woodbine on both Saturday and Sunday as one ten from war. Horse men. Women and Player information over Woodbine DOT COM Cup and saucer mile, and a sixteenth on the EP Taylor coarser. That's just a one turn race for the two year olds And this racist restricted to Antero. Breads a field of nine in here led by the number two credit river who Broke. Broke his maiden in a five furlong. Antero. Racing Open stakes race at forty one to one. The old, if you missed a wedding, why do you want to go to the funeral forty one to one last time five to two on the morning line and Bobby? Asking this horse to stretch out seven sixteenths of a mile in his second start. For a barn that doesn't run a lot of horses. and hasn't one hasn't done that well, in fact I think credit rivers the only winner they've had in two thousand and twenty so. I respect what? Credit River didn't his debut but I'm a I'm going to try and master spy number five. The second choice on the morning line. First of all already has one at one mile. So. Only stretching out of sixteenth of mile to me like this son of silent name has just better and better the farther that they go like the fact that he showed speed and went wire-to-wire last time out. But in his previous starts, he showed that even if he doesn't get the lead, he's still runs pretty well. So I expect master spy before we placed either on or near the lead him to get I run and him to be the one that credit river and the other ones have to catch down the lane not sure they're going gonna be able to do it master spy for me. Yeah, he's definitely one of the ones in here. For me as well more Cassie, of course, Hall of Famer. All those I wanted to take a little bit of look at. It should be a decent prices, the number three, fifty seven, and he finished behind master spy in his lone turf race. It was his debut going five. Stretched, out six, he got made the leading the stretch got beat went six and a half furlongs last time first timely success just off the base and got the job done getting back to what you would think as his preferred surface around. This was the first time out I think district shouting distance especially at one turn is going to help him on the too far off that you mentioned. I definitely want use mass despite the other one I wanNA uses number eight, 357 reached number seven tomorrow goes as the cup and saucer. Let's take one more break when we come back. Saturday actions. 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Or streaming live on your home for all of racing's biggest events at horse racing radio, dot net alright Belmont on Sunday the security goes ray seven was supposed to get rain later in the weekend hopefully, it stays away the latest forecast I got was raised not supposed to come in until the evening on Sunday. Now, we have a card on Monday here for Columbus Day already preemptively move the stakes that were carded for Monday to next weekend. So the hill prints knickerbocker will not be run on Monday. They'll be run one on Saturday which which day for each but one we run Saturday next week in one on one on. Sunday. So we'll have those for you next week on the weekend stakes preview. But the rain supposed to be pretty heavy the remnants of Hurricane Delta. And again, those systems not the most easily predicted. So just airing on the side of caution no stakes on Monday. Hoping the rain stays away long enough to get these to the future in and matron on the turf on Sunday if they do a field of nine for the turf. In the grade three featuring only securities to win in, you're in the race for the colts and geldings winning you're in for the Breeders Cup. Juvenile Turf Sprint. And I'm hoping this race does stay on the turf because there are a few in here that I I'm really looking forward to seeing on the turf. Most notably, number nine Momo's for Christoph Lamont many Franko seventy two on the morning line to main track efforts at Saratoga resounding maiden score in his debut than a third place finish in the grade to Saratoga special behind Jackie's warrior, which already looks better with the fact that Jackie's warrior came back and won again in his very next start maybe even more impressively most by distorted humor out of a spy town mayor sounds to me like pretty good breeding on both sides to be able to handle the grass has also worked on the grass four times. Since he last race I, think this is going to run well on Sunday turf ordered Moses the one for me. Yeah I picked them second after five the number two, one of three in here. For. Trainer Wesley Ward. Tried to run down the stablemate trade deal who's also in here and trade deals also ended in recent mom the fund Monday. So we'll see where trade run without rain in the forecast I'd be surprised if it was a turf race that if he wasn't waiting for if he didn't run this race on Sunday. After five couldn't get the trade, the trade deal how the benefit of a race under his belt and the horse that betrayed came back to win as well over Indiana grant. So I think after five with the recent belt, I wanNA see him take the step forward or auditees junior stays put him on top amusing. Momo's again you know Li. Pick four, Lee pick five on Sundays card. I'm going to spread race like this. It's tough use them almost using county final who? Won on the turf and then came back after that tyrone random Kentucky down. But he caught off brown I don't put a lot of the Kentucky downs races anyway and I think if you if you mean you like you have to find you kind of have to US trade deal as well. Maybe even the eleven gypsy king who's a fresh gelding leaguers come off for his fifth start as a two year old for trainer Wesley Ward Leslie's running a lot but the topic will be the number two after five on Sunday seven three fraternities a winning in for the Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint race number nine, they three matron this is for the phillies they'll go six furlongs. We had a field of eleven with two main trek only entered in the futurity just to feel eight in this matrix. And like the fraternity, I'm willing to try a Philly here who is trying the turf for the first time in number three union gable she's eight to one for Todd pletcher Louise. Sayas. Tried to get her on the turf last time out in the PG Johnson going seven furlongs race was moved over to the fast main track at Saratoga Charan third that day behind simply ravishing came back and won the. Altar. Impressively, maybe if she's not the favorite, she's going to be one of the top two or three favorites to win the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies. This philly was third behind simply ravishing that day. She's by spikes town out of a Malibu Moon Mayor I? Think the breeding is there to handle the turf. She's worked a few times on the tariff I. think she runs as well on the turf. She did last time out on the dirt she's going to be very tough and she is somehow eight to one on the morning line. Eight to one. On the morning line bobbies GonNa try and Get affiliate without turf experience I went to the phillies that after experience I went to the seven royal approval well, approval ran against Chiampou now who's Probably the top of the division especially when you consider that she won over at Royal Ascot after beating royal they both went through our last got one from the other royal approval shed the blinkers last time and just dusted a field, of Maitland. At Kentucky downs I think the blinkers off was a big move I went with her euro coming in first time for. Christoph. Commodity. Number eight magisterial who Has Never missed a board in four starts three on the turf one on the all weather. She's one for three turf. She's one for one on the all weather Joel Rosario is GonNa Right. So I gravitated towards the outside to use union gables, Amalfi, Princess of maiden for Mike Maker. Didn't have the cleanest trip clean a start at Kentucky downs. She'll has the recent or a belt, and he's thinking enough for the run a meet and greet free matron saw I'll take a look at our as well but outside for royal approval. Magisterial reached number nine goes as the grade three matron final. Race for us on Sunday is the Durham Cup. At woodbine great, three mile and a sixteenth on the all weather and you know when we take trips up to Woodbine, we start to get familiar with some of these horses and some familiar names in. Armistice Day is in the four year old Megan is sixteenth start, and of course, our Pal Sky y draws inside in he he'll go back to the all weather Iran. He won the eclipse agreed to back on. Independence Day. Here in America he ran third second in the Seagram Cup back in July Not a great effort in the Singspiel he's over three on the turf when he gets back to his preferred Number seven armistice day I think it was overmatched in the Woodbine Mile on the turf last time out he loves the poly track though there two wins two seconds from four tries on the Woodbine main track, which is where he gets on Sunday and I'm looking for armistice stayed put in a better effort from just off the pace and maybe get the. Win. Sunday. In the Dunham cut in the Durham car went through. I went to the rail I want the sky wire always like the source and I think he does his best work on the on the all weather would bind. and. He likes to distance tomorrow on the sixteen distances what he wants to Monaco on earth probably a little out of scope they've tried them sprinting in some races on the turf as well? I. Think this source wants to run this smile on his sixteen middle distance over that over the polly over the pit up there I've made an I picked one skyway. Sunday night with wind. The Great Three Durham Cup. All right. All dozen races in the book time now for the naira that's best bet. Is. The naira beds best bet. First race we talked about the champagne at Belmont Park race four on Saturday Card I. Think Number five reinvestment risk. It's going to turn the tables on Jackie's warrior I think he's bread to handle the longer distances more than Jackie's warriors. He's now another race under his belt whereas the only had one going into their last matchup reinvestment risk to turn the tables on Jackie's warrior and win the Champagne. Wow that's a gutsy move. Those are very gutsy move. I'm afraid I'm afraid of Jackie's warrior just being a different kind. I thought about it. I thought about it I couldn't do it. I actually am going to the last race we talked about Durham. Cup Sky Wire I on that all weather on the mile sixteenth three for five with a couple of seconds I thought he was He was candy on Sunday the Durham Cup. So Sky Wire for me the naira bets. Best, bet. This weekend a great weekend of racing coming up. Again Tomorrow Cross country pick five. monmouth Belmont Keeneland. Empire six mandatory payout tomorrow afternoon kicks off in race number six, a couple of maiden events. Then we go to three graded stakes couple of grade ones the flower bowl and the Jockey Club Gold Cup, which you'll hear right here wraps up with a main event there's going to be a little over four hundred, thousand provided nobody hit on Friday in that pool I would imagine there'll be three or four, million there tomorrow And it's worth taking a swing. I don't play those bets that often. But when there's a carryover like that in the mandatory payout I do, you can get some more my thoughts tomorrow morning on the forum has all guest. Ken mcpeek Michael Learning, another's tomorrow morning body great job always. In coverage from Belmont. Looking forward to it my friend. Right for Bobby Newman pursue Philippine on the big a anthony we have a lucky night i. hope he went all your photo finishes we'll talk to You tomorrow morning, point forum. Until, then stay safe stay healthy. Lucky. Night, we'll talk to you tomorrow morning HR. Nation.

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In The Gate #432 - Stallion Cap

In The Gate

30:45 min | 1 year ago

In The Gate #432 - Stallion Cap

"In the Jockey club has proposed setting a limit on how many times a year stallion can mate you can imagine that's drawn quite a bit of reaction from across the industry. We'll get the opinion of an impartial but informed observer plus. How do you stretch horses muscles and for that matter. How how do you strengthen them. After a horse as undergone surgery the answer could strengthen not just the muscles but the bond between the horse and its owner. We'll have all that and more. You're on this edition of indicate the dates. They're about to be as yeah. This is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on twitter at Abrahams voice for on facebook at Barry Abrams voice you can get us as well on youtube sound cloud tune in dot com or your pod catcher wrath APP and of course in the listen TAB AT ESPN DOT COM and we wanna make sure you vote for us. In the upcoming fan choice awards at America's best racing it happens in November after the Breeders Cup and yes best racing. PODCAST is one of the categories so you know what to do. I T G army. If you like this show uh-huh vote for us in November enough fan choice awards at America's best racing dot net just after Labor Day the Jockey Club here in the United States issued a press release saying that it is considering a new rule to limit how many foles a stallion can sire in a given year the number being floated floated is one forty that no stallion could father more than one hundred forty offspring a year. The reason for this says the Jockey Club is that too few stallions are siring too great a percentage of the foal crop according to the organization's press release forty. Three stallions were reported to have bred one hundred forty or more mares this year accounting for more than a quarter of all foles to be born in two thousand twenty. The Jockey Club is concerned about the gene mm pool becoming too concentrated now. Let's be clear the one hundred forty mating limit is not a rule at least not yet. The Jockey Club is considering it nonetheless the ideas drawing quite a bit of reaction across the industry our hope here on this show and the reason we've been a little late in getting a new show up for you is that we wanted to find an impartial you get informed observer to weigh in on the issue and finally we found such a person. Frank Mitchell is a renowned bloodstock expert writing for a number of publications including the Pollack report as well as bio data track international and we are pleased to welcome come back here to win the gate Frank Mitchell. Let's break this down in a couple of different ways first of all in terms of the actual horses themselves and their performances says what are the benefits of diversity as opposed to concentrating the evolution of the breed with a few high performing stallions well how for the purposes of the breed the tendency historically is for the best athletes to be the overall but there's always a significant minority of very good good excellent stallions who are not the top of the tree on the race course you only have to look at forces like Mr Prospector the winter sudden Florida and more recently congrats and went to study in Florida and became leading freshman sire and then the absolute touchstone of the modern horse didn't have an extensive rates record withstanding. I couldn't find a home it said today he almost didn't find one begin win but his his trainer and owner believe in so much that they convinced that Hancock to go ahead and put into studying the rest is history and those horses are still out there and you know they're very small minority dancing type that doesn't let us take is going to be a very small minority of the good stallions but the general effect capping the books is going to help more stallions that are on the margins get a realistic shot at is it best for the breed to have diversity or is it best to concentrate the breed with a few high-performing performing stallions well that is kind of a two edged sword. Most people say we need to have more diversity and that is a good thing for the stability and the genetic viability of the break because if you get too narrow a bottleneck genetically you can create problems for yourself but the horses that are superior sites are always a very small minority of the stallions at Sta uh-huh and they just they congregate and they tend to go one way and then the other in terms of their population and the lines in the northern dancer lie has taken over almost the whole world it hasn't done to nearly such an extent here in the states thanks to the work of bold ruler true is son such as secretary and the mayor line and Seattle slew and AP the Andy through the male line as well as some kind of out liar male line so that we see here in Kentucky too much less extent than a breeding population stay in Australia which is just like top to bottom standing and Danehill generation after generation if you go through some of those pedigrees you'll see three and four crosses sometimes of northern dancer within four generation and it's it's like Whoa so the genetic viability is crewed by having greater variety but the the actual bottom line four months seems to follow certain lines so that the more of certain stallions alliens that you get into a pedigree the better the results so it's a conflict that breeders inbreeding path to have to deal with it head to deal with ever since the breed started and really take online back in the seventeen hundred. I want to go back to something you said earlier. You were talking about the quality of the offspring and you were talking about the hancocks now. Obviously a lot of people have weighed in on this issue one of them in the thoroughbred. Daily News was Arthur Hancock of stone farm one of the leading figures in this industry in America for several decades that cades. He said that his father the legendary Bull Hancock had said to him that over breeding stallion compromises the quality polity of the offspring. What are your thoughts on that. Well certainly minimizes your options for getting the the best you're deluding the product and the more you dilute it the less excellence you can expect but that's it. Everybody wants to bowl ruin and you know bull. Hancock believed what he said because you I didn't think bold ruler breeding any supersized books I mean he's a very fertile stallions very good. We'll beat out. Everything was great with him getting up pretty large bucket. Nobody bread a large book up until the nineties now in that regard. You're talking about the quality of the horses right and because there's also the money issue too. You know we all know that sometimes less can be more if you have something really valuable like I don't know especially issued coin series and only a few are made. They'll each be more valuable so what is more at play here the money issue or the quality issue. I think it's a quality issue that the Jockey Club is addressing and also the Jockey Club's goal is to invent and benefit thorburn breed and race in America and that's one of their slogan but that's one of their reasons for being and to do that they try to encourage thoroughbred racing and breeding to command the interest of the public as well as its confidence and favorable opinion and I think that favorable opinion it should not be underestimated in this day of course wide social media and Television Radio Internet. Everything what do you mean. One of the issues of the the mega books is the popular field that you'll see on blogs and host response lines and things of that is that the breeders leaders in quotation marks are just reading anything to the the best horses and as a result you get a lot of not so good who would sons and daughters of these best stallions that ended up not having home when they don't succeed on the race track and then is going into and I think that one of the small things in the big picture that the Jockey Club is looking at is people's perception perception of racing and breeding and how the over-breeding over-breeding of a horse themes to be almost to financially driven and perhaps causing problems in terms of unproductive progeny that have to be found a home for some fashion. WHOA Frank Mitchell is with us here on indicate. He services a whole lot of masters. When it comes to bloodstock there's the bloodstock in the Bluegrass blog that he does he writes for the Pollack report services bio data track international we could go on and on and on you get the idea so this brings us back to the age old question. Jin here when you determine whether a horse would do well inbreeding how important is the pedigree say son of tap it of whom there were over hundred produced a year versus whether this horse has won a group or grade one race well go of course who cannot win a grade grade. One race is really up against it in the current breeding very very very difficult for a non grade one winner to find a good home at stud where he will be breeding a resonably good book compares that would give him a chance at being a success he really has to have something going for him but fives racing you mean besides the breeding yeah so in other words like like when the green monkey only ran three times but was the subject of the greatest bidding war in inbreeding history because of his breeding even though his breeding was good he didn't even win so much as an allowance race and wasn't considered a stud prospect. Is that where you're getting at. He did go stud. He was a beautiful or and he did and did but today even even more than in in years ago when the green monkey was going to suck you today it is so competitive that any prospect doesn't have the group one or grade one to his name is pretty much out of luck and then he has to have enough ahead agree that the petty the great one gets in a squad at the pedigree determines. How much content for now? I don't have to tell you how the number of starts a horse makes in its racing career has gone way down in the last twenty any or so years. I mean even slater's twenty years ago. Horse could make forty career starts now. It's more like nine or ten so what impact might have potential cap up one hundred and forty meetings a year have on keeping horses around to race longer that would be a whole side side benefit for new and me and the sport yes by capping the studbook. We actually really got a little more racing out of some of these horses that are so nice I mean I it's very nice to so many of the going to step down but you really want to the breeze ten fifteen twenty more. I think that's a possibility I think it is a possibility awesome. -bility the CAP is only going to affect three or four dozen stacked only three or four thousand stallions who breed more than one hundred and forty vamps camps. It's not going to be revolutionary change. It is going to put it on the very most popular. Buehler stallion put your currently about three and a half dozen but several of those will only you know be a change of five ten fifteen. I think there are a handful that the change will mean a reduction or hundred they're very few of those but ah big lick and the change for them would obviously be quite noticeable and it would be reflected in between the studs the a couple of horses and now here's the thing if the jockey club actually passes this hundred forty cap rule. What what are the odds that it would be struck down in court as a restraint of trade. Thank I don't believe the Jockey Club would would be floating this idea if they had working through their legal department in great detail and an American court art followed the precedent of the Australian court findings a few years ago where a man in Australia tried to introduce artificial insemination and he he argued that not ah artificial insemination was restraint of trade court struck a downside now jockey club's rules as clubs rule and if an American in court followed that line of reasoning John Clipped rules or the Jockey Club little not slanted towards one group or person or anything it's it just across the board and I suspect that they have looked at it in great detail and are pretty sure that it would hold up and they don't really have to convince the whole world it only have to convince twenty major breeders or this story is not going going away. It's certainly going to gather some momentum as the Jockey Club continues to ponder this well. Thank you so much Mr Mitchell. This is just the kind of perspective we needed and it was worth the wait well. I'm glad to help anytime. Give me a call. We're going to take a short break here on in agape a when we come back. When was the last time you saw horse to pike the way we do to strengthen the core muscles well. How do you build up those muscles especially when a horse has surgery sorry for a couple of researchers have found an innovative way to do it so don't go away. I'm pretty sure newhouse might be hunt contests. What makes you say that the furniture is levitating on the ghost. Welcome home yeah. That's that's bookie. You know what's really scaring missing missing out on Gyco for help with homeowners renters insurance GEICO makes it easy to see them bunch great. You're not sticking around. The bar is just getting shooting started Geigo week call today and see how easy homeowners and renters insurance can be AH welcome back to the PODCAST. You know that when it's time for you to do any kind of physical exercise you know maybe you're listening to this podcast at the gym mm-hmm. That would be great. You know that before you start your heavy lifting you need to do two things warm up and stretch so you do some treadmill Mel. Maybe some elliptical and then you stretch. If you're working your legs you stretch the old. Hammy is the quads calves etc.. You know the deal but what if you're a horse. How do you stretch your muscles. If you'RE A horse I don't see a horse swing. It's legs over a bar and leaning into them. The way we do to stretch our legs and what about when a horse has surgery for colic. Let's say and loses muscle tone. How do you bring the horses muscles backup up to their previous levels so they can get back to work. Have you ever thought about that. Fortunately researchers at Michigan State's College of Veterinary Medicine have fought quite a bit about these questions. Their findings have been published recently in the Journal of Equine Veterinary Science and we have a couple of those researchers with us here to talk about them. We we welcome doctors. Susan Holcombe Stephanie Valberg for the first time here too in the gate first of all Dr Holcomb. If you have a horse that's undergone surgery. The horse obviously needs to rehabilitate the muscles in that area so you use something called care core abdominal rehabilitation exercises now courses sources kid do sit ups or Pike's so what is core exercise entail for them. These were all horses that had major abdominal middle surgery. It's called Colic surgery but they had abdominal problems that required a surgical correction and so we make an incision that's twenty twenty to thirty centimeters on the bottom of the abdomen and then that incision has to heal and that takes about thirty days and then there's rehabilitation after that were horses spend periods of time and paddocks and out in pastures what we decided was once we knew at that incision was strong so that their body while with strong we had horses start a program of exercises that had involved carrot stretches so the owner of the horse would debate the worst with a carrot or a treat and the horses learned these exercises and and there were things that targeted their abdominal muscles to contract their backs to contract and over time it made their core stronger stronger so pay the picture for us of what that looks like okay so the horse comes out of its stall and the owner has the horse standstill and they course made with following the treat may take its neck and reach under all the way underneath and try. Ada touch its abdomen with its knows where it'll take its nose and go all the way around to its side and bend so so horses are doing exercises that makes them lift their backs and contract their abdomens and then they get the treat. How often do they do these. They do these exercises every day and we had a program that increased the number of repetitions just like a person would loyd they increase the number of repetitions of the exercises each day what we also found that was interesting the horse owners and trainers really enjoyed this because because it gives them something to do each day with their horse the horses loved it and in fact would come out of the stall start soon as they were in position start doing the exercises sizes because they knew they were going to be rewarded with these small treats or carrots and so it was a really positive experience for the trainers on the horses. Dr Actors Stephanie Valberg. Don't the horses eventually get wise to this and figure out a way to shortcut to get the tree. Actually they don't care it's the onus is on the owner to ensure that the exercises are done properly and the exercise is that we've instructed them to do our explained in a DVD and in a book that Nara L. stubs and Dr Hilary Clayton worked mcphail performance center developed this program so it's a really well described program that teaches the course owners how to do the exercises and the horses actually seemed to quite enjoy it and they know that if they do it properly then they they get rewarded with a treat and they follow that carrot to exactly the right place so that you can ensure that they're engaging all of their muscles and I kind of think if we get dot with humans you know there were some treats involved on some of the exercise that was immediate reward. More people might want to participate in the correct fashion as well. That would certainly help things at five o'clock in the morning when I'm in the gym so Dr Revolver. How common is this care practice for a horse. That's had abdominal surgery well. It hasn't been common up to now and I think that's what's given this study. It's such a portion that media we've gotten a lot of coverage and Dr Hoke and she Tara Shearer who did the study. I've been asked to speak number of conferences now because people are seeing that this would actually really benefit the horses and they could get them back into competition and actually even performed better than they did before they started if they use these exercises to strengthen horses core so I think the awareness has really been created by publishing and performing to study here at Michigan State Doctor Holcomb. What were the time intervals also measuring the Horse's progress so what we did was after the first thirty days after the Horse had surgery we certainly were we're in communication with the horse owners and trainers just to find out about the basic health of the animal and then if the incision had healed as we anticipated pated the exercises started and there was a ramp up in intensity and number of repetitions each week. We did have horses in the study that had problems those were their incisions. We monitored those things and they did those horses did not start the exercises until their incisions had completely healed and then we we were in communication with these clients really month An and sometimes months after the surgery to find out how the animals were we're doing and how they had entered training and then competition and for some of the horses it was a couple of years later that we got back to all of these people to find out in the end. How had the horse performed had the horse's performance improved or not so it was it was a study that took place over a couple of years where chatting with Dr Susan Welcome Stephanie Walberg of Michigan State's College of Veterinary Medicine here on in the gates Dr Walberg. Your team implemented basically basically four weeks. It seems of care rehabilitation to these horses in your study. How did you measure how the horses had progressed. I think I'm going to be a doctor. Holcomb answer that question because she's really got that under control the way we assessed progress was really based on owners and trainers so this study was a retrospective study where retrospectively we went back and spoke to horse owners trainers about how their horses perform these exercises and then how the horses performed including their ability to start back into work to start into full training and competition so this was more a subjective study measuring hard data that is exactly right this initial study daddy. which is the first time we've tried to implement this exercise regime in clinical patients? This was very subjective. Dr Stubbs and Dr Clayton did provide some objective information about the advocacy of these exercises and how these exercises with we didn't hats certain muscles of the back so based on those data. That's what gave us really the impetus to try this in our clinical patients seductive. Valberg what kinds of horses were used in this study. They were Sasha horses and they were jumping courses that were part of the study. What kind of difference or similarity might there be between those and thoroughbreds when it comes to body type deep and stress on particular parts versus horses that are mainly four jumping thoroughbreds in this study as well and thoroughbreds leads are used at young ages for racing and then they can also be used for a number of these other disciplines as well but I think core strength is really important for all of those disciplines for core strength for jumping horses is really important as they propel themselves up and over the fences and they're carrying writer for dressage horses core strength is really really important because it's a very gymnastic exercise and they have to have a lot of suppleness and flexibility in core strength to perform those exercises and then if you watch thoroughbred title bred racehorses running and you see the incredible stretch that they have through each stride you'll see how much abdominal muscles really talk up and they really really fully extended flex their back through that entire. Gallup stride so it core of Donald Strength is also really important in those thoroughbred horses as well so you're basically getting to my final question which is what is the big takeaway from this study. Let's start with Dr Holcomb. I think the big takeaway from this study is like in people bedrest for horses is a horrible thing that we need to minimize so rehabilitating a horse after surgery to strengthen the core and the back muscles is going to enhance that horses ability to be sound. Even if it's horse that is not an athlete but certainly if that horses an athlete and needing to go back to competition the sooner we can start that that horse into rehabilitation and strengthening program the better the better for performance another takeaway is that these exercises were very positive ositive thing for both the horses and horse owners. That was something they could do together and we found that these horses really enjoyed doing these exercises as part of their rehab probably because they got a reward. I think we need to visit more on that. human reward in the gym. Kinda thing like in the way that so so thank you ladies both so this is really really interesting for horse owners to consider as they rehabilitate their horses. Thank you so much very we enjoyed it our thanks once again to doctors. Susan Holcombe and Stephanie Valberg as well as Frank Mitchell he might be overshadowed by Mike Smith who rides infrequently yet parachutes parachutes in to win the biggest stakes but John Velazquez has been the industry standard for two decades and he shows no women and sign of applying the brakes in fact Velazquez now can claim more graded stakes victories than any jockey in the US or Canada his six hundred sixty. I Move Jerry Harry baileys record aside but he doesn't recite record says daily. 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In Conversation with: Graham Cunningham

The Final Furlong Podcast

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In Conversation with: Graham Cunningham

"The Vet Exchange Moist. Bet more ways to win proud sponsors of the final furlong podcast the final. Furlong podcast is proudly brought to you by. Adt The racist dot com the ultimate online resource for racing fans. Hello and welcome to the final furlong. Podcast where the show goes on. I'm your host Emma's Kennedy alongside the man who wants to have the show for quite some time in the stars have aligned if you like all the way from Hong Kong a very familiar face but I. I'm voice in the final form of podcast it's Cunningham Eric. Nice to hear from you. Thanks for asking. Today it's a pleasure. Everyone's doing okay. I know it's really really. Yeah that's the. That's the issue is from a sporting perspective. Your sort of the epicenter for is now you're kind of the focus of skysports racing's coverage we've shot in. We're recording on Tuesday. Shelton will be given a nice DART card tomorrow by dirt. I mean the surface the standard of racing. Obviously Happy Valley has been has been the center of our focus as well and I remember when I was getting into racing initially Reading an expert saying that you should watch much racing as possible international as well as Irish in the UK because it will help you understand the sport more First of all my questions you then is. You're still racing in shot in Happy Valley For the Hong Kong Jockey Club things continue. How how is life over there right now? It's it's unusual. But it's not lockdown mode. I I speak to friends and family home and often last question is how you're getting over there. It's been really bad. Hasn't it and spend the going. It looks a lot worse in the other direction from from where. I'm sitting on a sorry to say that he up Things change very quickly very early and I think that was crucial. Sooner the clerk at this virus was on the move and posing a threat. Government acted strongly. But I think more importantly this there's a real collective will to do the right thing early from practically everyone in the city very very soon after. The problem urged nine thousand nine hundred five percent. People on the streets were wearing masks for a long time. Now I can't leave my apartment and come back without having a ten project if I go to a bar or restaurant having dinner on Saturday night. And they came to the table on Zappa's with the temperature gauge just to check if I go into the office I'm checked on the way in by heat sentences etc so looking to identify potential problem cases all the time. The mask thing is interesting debate. Some people say it's because Medic Avenue grain a sect but people bites with pretty much one hundred percent in. You'll see some shall we say callous. Gweilos on the street experts who think It doesn't apply to them as a social courtesy it down well should But that's another argument People have bought into the need to tackled it for several reasons one. They had saas here. Seventeen years ago claimed three hundred lives That has left a lasting legacy in people's minds. Secondly people here are buying large very very logical and thoughtful people on if they have a choice between doing something. That's Saving sensible inherently risky. They'll go for the sensible every time so the numbers are staggering in Hong Kong. I still get my head around y next door to the source with tons and tons of cross border travel in the early weeks seven hundred cases on single cadets to compare that to every other major place on the planet now it reads extremely well. But the vigilance has never dropped an ounce and that is key and I think I'm not an expert on this nor you but what what I am concerned about. Is that when all said and done and it be months or years before all inquiries thank place. The place to that responded rapidly will contrast very starkly with the ones who didn't in terms of numbers and tragic thing to say but already. I think it's safe to say that's that's true. I was reading some of the statistics from Hong Kong Grim. And I actually did needed you off air to back them up from me because I thought I was either reading something from twenty seventeen or it must be just fake news. It's remarkable how well it's been handled over there and the fact that you're talking about each time essentially each time you walk into your apartment building. Being checked goes to show you just how much of a stringent measures that have been taken over there and you sort of alluded to how Hong Kong reacted to the situation with in comparison really to how both of our countries reacted to the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. Looking back on it and look you're not an epidemiologist I'm not an infectious disease specialist. But with the benefit of hindsight things are are very easy for people to point and blame so Cheltenham is getting an awful lot of stick from certain people. The Premier League is also getting a lot of stick from people as well but given the we're horse racing from the far side of the world and from where most people think it's at its worst but you're telling has no because the action that was taken d think that they were right to go ahead with children and it's fascinating question and Cheltenham. It was a perfect store and a lot of an imperfect storm is better phrase in that the timing was always likely to be right on the edge of banning public gatherings Cheltenham Thirty Tulsa this. Because I'm watching how. The Hong Kong Jockey Club tried to stay in lockstep with meant at every juncture on this That's essentially if they want to keep anything on. Cheltenham had the government on their side. You have to spend a coin and say what would been the reaction had. They called the meeting off independently. They'd have been torched in various sections of the media finds a fans and they would have been livid. Bookmakers would not have been happy. They may not have made it public so children were between a rock fireplace. And I don't blame them for going ahead. As the week went on it was no question. It was an increasingly bad luck and Who am I to throwing stones but I think a lot of people. I think they check the logic in at the gate that week and they may be saved a little bit stem when they shouldn't have opened up a little bit on the review podcast. And if we didn't then it's Ju- to an edit on on my part but nick either set it off air rescinded on air that there was definitely there was a serious monitoring going around on the Thursday evening that it was going to be behind closed doors on the Friday and I remember what because I was at home watching it put covering it for the UK radio which was a an interesting thing but the wonders of modern technology. It's it's like this situation right now where people are in various different. What's up groups and saying to me how you cope. I'm working from home working from home for me. That's work that's where my that's my studio is. The only difference is whether or not recording in Cork in the apartment or recording in kilkenny and right now the best thing to do is to be in cook any but it did seem to seriously consider going behind closed doors on the Friday and the right not to. That's to me that's a that would be the worst of all worlds because you have been it. Yeah people make their way home or you run it with the normal crowd because going behind closed tools took every pub within twenty miles absolutely rammed and that is as we can see from data. That's coming through now. That is classic recipe for transmission of the infection. So I don't blame them in any way for not going behind closed doors. I don't blame them for following government advice but the timing of the thing could have been better to Cheltenham in some ways and in some ways it could have been. That's really the key issue here. Isn't it raising because Shelton is such a huge event and like the Grand National? It's sporting event that gets a huge amount of attention. So those who want to blame it or those who want to attack it because they see it isn't as an easy target. It's certainly much easier to attack horse racing than as to attack the EPA or to attack the Champions League or UEFA so it's much easier to criticize Cheltenham for actions than it is to criticize Liverpool for going ahead with their Champions League game and allowing five thousand founds from Madrid in. But you're still having the tubes running and even the day after. Boris Johnson announced the lockdown. Like winning when when the UK finally caught up and when okay we're locking everything down. People were defying him. The next day that you were full and I know people will say well. How do you get to work but this is? This is unprecedented times. And it's it's scary of a lot of family in London. It's really really scary. It's scary here you know. My mother is in a very vulnerable position. Thank God she's she's recovered but like mom can't watch the news anymore. She's getting quite emotional watching it and I don't blame her because my mind is racing. Awful Lot as well. But essentially the finger of blame for this spreading doesn't go to sporting venues it goes to government because you've alluded to that as well that Hong Kong very much taking a lead from the senior officials and if they don't say all right. This is how we're handling this and this is the right way to do it. Then everybody screwed and it hasn't been handled particularly well. People can blame Cheltenham. Cheltenham pointed the government. The government will then point at the stadium medical advisers again. It's it's not to quibble with that sort of policy. They want to flatten the curve. Etcetera Etcetera make sure the number of people going into hospitals. Some Simla to the number going out. Let's pray this doesn't get a lot worse spoke. It's bound to get worse before it gets better. And hopefully the Cheltenham thing is a debate that is worth having. But it's not. It's not the bill and end. All of this there is there is a very very wide world out there and we just if we just run the risk of centering around one racing event. The was legal legit to go ahead. I think we may be missing the big big HD FINE. Yeah the government the government the government. Exactly it's all about the government and to be fair the government on this side of the of the Irish Sea as well. I think there's an awful lot of things that the Republic of Ireland government have gotten rice. I think there's a lot of things that they've gotten wrong. But for the most part I do think that lever. He's team have played the played their cards. Well as Jane Mongan said and We did shut down like we closed our pubs and we closed our restaurants. The Sunday after Cheltenham. So the reason I'm saying that is because Saint Patrick's day was coming up so that all parades were cancelled. And when you're doing that in Ireland where Guinness is such a such a major business. It tells you an awful lot about how serious we started to take it in in terms of racing returning. So you're able to continue. We tried it behind closed doors and then eventually we got to the point and Sarah Lining was talking about that on the final furlong last week. About how that had to be suspended we were talking off air about. If you've got a big crowd at Cheltenham as the picture for the last big missing of racing windy we return because the currents dais doesn't really fit with how all of this is playing out. Wendy as you watch it from Hong Kong. When do you envisage racing returning to normal? If we can even call it that in the Yukon Arlit. Well I know that in Hong Kong the idea would be a graduated Return to normal that is initially owners are allowed to come the Nebi illness with guests and slowly but surely it will return to something approaching normality but the day gets move back. Move back and forth back. I'm sure that will be reflected all of Europe and I have no idea when you'll come back. I I suspect when when you do come back. We'll be behind closed doors at a small core of venues chosen pretty selectively. I think the jumpers of Had A lot for this season. I think you'll have to be flat racing. When they go back and a broader question is what happens with the really really major events. The ones that thrive on massive crowds and huge. Tv exposure. Talk about the Darby Roy LASCO ETC ETC. That the key questions and how you shuffle. The patent race pack so that the big races take place in some kind of logical older. That's a problem. People would really love to have at the moment because that means at least about racing again but the behind closed doors angle is key in a having seen it close up it can be done on conduit in very successfully but they are making subtle changes all the way along their seldom. A week goes by. When does not a new change and I was temperature checks than it was mandatory masks lend? It was mandatory health declaration. Saying you haven't been out to the country in the last fourteen days. Now it's the social distancing that's the big thing Now it's clearly fundamental to attacking this problem. Only one owner in the Paddock. The trainer and jockey and a half meters between all these little groups that have designated little told areas within the product. Same indicates ring facilities but the bottom line and the strange thing in Hong Kong is Happy Valley Wednesday night shot in tomorrow. Night's shot in on a Sunday at the moment in this incredibly densely populated city. The racecourse has must be pretty much the most sparsely populated areas in town. Now that doesn't completely eradicate risk but when you see the visual of the races at the moment you can perfectly see the logic behind closed. Doors racing of course the massive financial benefits from racing in Hong Kong the community under government benefit tens of millions every week with racing being gone but also the other thing is with racing on it keeps many many hundreds of thousands a hundreds of thousands of people at home and the enjoyment factor which you've got quantify but it's enormous in Hong Kong. It's almost in. Ireland is big in Britain as well but in Hong Kong. It's off the charts. Something like ten percent of people here rather betting account. Ten percent of the population will be watching racing. I've on Tel- television tomorrow night. So there were lots of interrelated strands to this that make it a very complex complex equation but having watched it closer and I have no problem with racing going. I think that I think that the jug handle it a fair amount of skill and finesse but always repeat always in lockstep with what the government are advising. I think the Irish going. Mellon close doors was working fine as well and the difference between our product and in the United Kingdom is that while in the UK you have to have an H. S. ambulances which you know given the current circumstances. It's very very difficult to argue. How can you have ambulances at a sporting event when the justice under such pressure and the people that are doing amazing work but we have the order of Malta? And so they're ambulances would be able to be at racecourses and therefore you wouldn't need hey chessy emlyn there and I think that the work that is being done by both the S. and H. Phenomenal I have no idea how whatever level it is that you are ash in those organizations that you're managing to do the job that you're doing. I can only take my hat tip my hat to them because it's just it's phenomenal the work they're doing and it's lovely. I got very emotional. The other night we we. We did the round of applause at eight o'clock because they they did a denarlie for hey chessy as well. There was a big town. It was just my mother and I am one neighbor on on. What is the longest we did is and then we came in and watch the BBC showing London and then virgin media were showing Dublin and it was just phenomenal. It's nice to see it's very nice to see in in terms of Hong Kong. So you were talking about how sport is king and it's the statistics you just wheeled out there. Ten percent of Hong Kong residents having a betting account is huge. Obviously things slightly different there too. You can't Orland but in the sense that it's par mutual betting and so there's a there's obviously a very much a a massive benefit in terms of the local economy but we saw the statistics for for it broadcasting thoroughness and The next day how that fairs revenue is up two hundred and seventeen percent for downpatrick and that wasn't on terrestrial coverage and it just goes to show you how much whatever about bess. How many people were just tuning in to watch sports just to see something that's live and we were the last one standing so. Hong Kong is getting attention. Now you took on a good point. A It brings considerable responsibility to be the last domino right but it also creates significant opportunity to showcase your spoke sports promote and. I'm not here on a party. Political broadcast racing thoughts from people can do their own homework and android around contusions. But if you are in lockdown if you also load or whatever people using the time to to learn about something new I would recommend it. It's it's it's a very very interesting culture of horse racing fiercely competitive handicaps biolog- only two meetings a week. Happy Valley Wednesday shot in Sunday and large ATA CT meetings year through from September to mid July tremendous prize. Money it's primarily in a way and that we only have we have twenty active jockeys at the moment. Generally power is about twenty two twenty three. We have twenty two trainers only have about thirteen or fourteen hundred horses. No trainer can have more than sixty. And the Maki's incredibly sensitive give we're in a handicap culture just about what his three favorites win Zach pertinent. Joe Moreira ride pushing forty percent of all winners that's astounding guess. War The markets very very alive tool that the secret from from the punting point few is to try to find the right horses outside of the obvious the favorites Zach and Joe and the biggest difference of all here and by far the biggest differences of course people like to the winner. Where don't they like to back the winner but they liked about the winner and to have the second and third and maybe even the full F- in the exotics that Cornell's trails the quartet's et cetera. So it's a super different betting culture here but the key is to find the right type of horses. The mixing when Zack and Joe on the favorites dolittle so that is music then to mine and also to bury faulkner zoos. Because essentially what you're saying is that the exotic bedding the box. Exact Day is a big big thing over there And of course. It's huge in the states as well and we have a lot of listeners on the phone before the podcast who've started to either wisely or perhaps very foolishly follow me in on verse forecasts by the way not following my advice doing their own thing which is much better for for their own financial wellbeing but I love exact of dry factors. Why do you think it is that? There is a culture in America and in Hong Kong of being very open to that style of bedding whereas you're almost mocked if you're doing it in the UK. Yeah well there. There are logical reasons for the first of all if you're betting win single With seventeen seventeen point five percent take out from the tel. You're going to have to be real good real good to be that sort of rake but also mentally he had the mindset is the. I don't want to go and try need ten percent this week They want to try and shoot the lights out. If possible on on on you will hear all too. Howls hoops and hollering at the racecourse. Is when it's full Finish second or third the twenty five to one chance that someone is going in the tree or whatever just gets a third on the line so all those placings a very very important because the winter I think is. It's not even the second most you'll hear the cornell and the quick L. A. Place which is any to whole system finished in the first three by thaw the most popular bets fully by the Wind Pool. And then you go into trail Corta Etcetera. It's a very different culture and courts is super different in Europe by and large. But I do think that bounce will shift over time. I think as the whirlpool will run. Lasko starts to gather force and mistake now will people will be drawn in to the idea of and the potential of being able to win Quite locked for a little by using some imagination out and around the less than obvious horses but this a very long conversation we could have on this boat. Hong Kong is very different. And it's made me. It's made me a different type of try. Used to be one of those gold angle grinders. Who tried to nick steady profits here and that because I knew the the percentages worry mom favor you have to take a very different approach here. You have to think outside the box and you have to try to understand how a race will develop an how fancy tools a might run moderately because of the way the racist. It might be a hold of holes in a slowly run race. It might be a front runner in a very strongly run race. But you've got to pinpoint the fancied horse who's not gonNA perform in order to fill your slip out with long price sources who might shine the expense of the favorite or the second favorite it. It's it's a homework thing and that suits me it. Doesn't everyone lots of people like to to get out quick a on a race in Hong Kong racing? It seldom easy to do. You get your rewards for putting in the pudding. Adopter die released. What you're saying there so when you initially made the move we all have we. Cheltenham was wearing a black armband after John. Twenty twenty one was we there but Chilton Twentieth. I STILL. I still wake up in In nightmares. Nightmarish sweats after that When you decided to make the move to Hong Kong. Was it a difficult decision for you to make. And how long did it take you to adjust your betting style to realize I need to change things quite a while still saints still adapting to a certain extent? I feel more confident now. It took a long time to decide whether it's era. Remember very clearly day. I did decide or when the decision was painful me. I'm just working for what is now a racing. Tv what was then racing UK. And I was up at Muscle Bro. Midweek meets in one of my favorite tracks very chilly day and I was coming about this and thinking you know. It's a long way away with workout out all the negatives which go through your head and fortunately for me I have a better half long-suffering better half is very positive. Very decisive and she just sent me a text saying go to do this. If we don't do it now we never will uncoerced. I'm slightly over thirty. That also is not likely to come around again. He didn't take it so he came over three years ago. Now and it's a couple It's been the best thing we've ever done together by far is put through the mill in some ways. But it's the best dinners a lot more a lot more skills than I had when I arrived very different skills lot will patients. I didn't have a lot when I arrived but I have a good bit for now on. It's been a really really interesting experience. It's an ever fascinating place. Hong Kong and the racing culture on the business culture of horse racing in Hong Kong. You could spend twenty is here and you wouldn't your entire head around it so it's been a really really unusual experience and I'm really glad that we came a test. You test you in a lot of ways. I think anyone asked Richard. Hoiles like that who've worked here in the faster. They'll tell you test you the Richie gave me good advice when I came here and said it will seem completely alien for quite a while. The good while and you'll yield struggle and you'll wonder whether you've done the right thing said and then some point you'll go out on a hike and you'll be in the mountains or whatever and things will look good bit better and you'll suddenly say. Yeah I can do this and I've mustered it not by longshore there. There are bumps in the road all the time. It's a much more corporate structure you have to have finished. You have to bite your tongue at times. You have to think around the problem. You have to go a long before you can go up all those things. But it's It's equipped me to be a much more much more rounded person. I think in the last three years I will say that. And when you say patience because you've you've killed into a lot there which is fascinating but when you talk about patients in terms of betting. I think that's something that we all need really. And do you think that that has been accelerated for you for want of a very odd description of by the fact that there are only two meetings per week and the fact that it is a different paced setup in a different style that your patients had to be earned developed in that way yes? It's a good point I I. It's it's strange that there eighteen races week. Multiple will play all those eighteen racist. If you're to hear people don't differentiate that launch an adult thing they change. I don't know everyone's business but I don't think they've changed steak. Not much of it. They have a strategy and they go in race by race by race. I've never been like that. There are certain races the classifieds icon credit those that literally stay might Chinese to me that the best quality races. I always fancy much senses and strangely here. I think the mistakes made it the higher the quality of race I think mistakes made in the market a Explained by but I always fancy my chances in the really good races better than the given and lower quality races and especially the international racist. I don't think the markets here a great at squaring up international raiders. If you look back to December for example three of the full route ones. The Hong Kong International Races were won by Japanese raiders. And they were all really good. Prices THEY HAVE. The market did not get them rights all but with the hometown voices and especially the low quality horses. The market tends to have a very very very keen handle on how likely to four job changes if pertinent comes on for an apprentices Jomar Ariza Brooke for a horse for the first time the warning lights at the flashing for all to see in the market takes. No but if you look at the turn of a hundred one betting shops in Hong Kong. They've been closed for a couple of months now. Not so noticing on the race track on Sunday. I'm betting turnover went down seven percent to just over one hundred thirty million quit so you talked about adapt or die. Particip- adapted they've gone hard online and they have got their action back in a big way. Wh- roll ask or a Cheltenham that was run behind closed oils with nuclear betting shop in the country. Alton how much would turnover sofa? It would be absolutely torched but here people seem to find a way. We've referenced Hong Kong a loss on the podcast or particularly with Hugh Taylor and with Neil channing talking about the amounts of data that is available in Hong Kong with a huge comparison to the UK. Sexual timing is only obviously just starting to properly come in and Simon Rowlands has spoken about that on the podcast and has obviously led the way with revolutionizing that for four of the data that you have over there. What would you love to see? Applied to the likes of Sky's coverage of Roy. Ascott Split Times no question and and it's not even I think I would split times A must for any high quality professional racing jurisdiction. Now I'm very Open minded about the way and forces. I don't speak to many people who say well you know how to look at the body weights at this horse and it's come down twenty five pounds and that's what put me on. Whatever it's if you can have it and of course you can have. Echoes all offices are on site and they just have to walk around the corner to be weighed when you have a staples all over the country and you know tend to all she all in the middle of Borat Cetera. It's it's just not practical and I. That's not going to happen in Britain and Ireland able to. Let's not put out a land with the sectional times. That is achievable on. It's it's a bit of a disgrace that people like Simon who is a really old colleague of mine. We started on exactly the same day. Time form six the Monday after dancing brave when the girl clip stakes. So we've we've been colleagues and and sparring partners for a long time the fact that he's and people like him a putting out so much great stuff book she gratis is a shame really now. I know he. He does lots and lots of different pay works but these putting stuff out there constantly is pretty thing on twitter today. Split Times for the CRISPER is Red Rum Grand Nash. Them for goodness sake. People do and this is a problem this out now. People in horse racing in Britain island a doing so much because they adore the sport. They're involved in the sport working working. Damn hard in stables in offices in media at racecourses etc way more because they love the sport and because they're getting well paid for the doing it on subsistence level money and it's nothing like a violent Hong Kong to make you realize the stark contrast between the two financial systems and my worry is to go back to the original point of this conversation that this girl virus crisis will sink quite a lot of people in various walks of life. It may put racecourses under pressure. It'll certainly put lower grade jockeys staple staff trainers owners. It'll put them all right under the caution a really hope that you know the vast majority come through the longer it goes on the harder. It's going to be people to keep doing this. Being part of this vocation and not making Sherman out of it. I Know Cork Racecourse. Mellow spoke today about how they're fearful of the big races that they're losing out on and the impact that it's going to have. Hopefully they'll be fine Jessica Harrington was quoted today saying that losing the Irish classics would be terrible but that life is more important and her longtime friend. Nikki Anderson is today talking about how it's the biggest crisis that racing has had to face in our lifetime and Nikki seen an awful lot so for him to be saying that says quote something some fascinating interviews on on sky sports racing. This some really interesting so on at the races as well with with people who are talking about it. Thank God I didn't tweets actually haven't tweeted with any of the content that I'm going to do on the final furlong and and you talk about people getting interested in racing. The reason this podcast came about food music radio and then started doing sports. Country was because I love horse racing so much and that's how this podcast came to be thank. God people seem to like it here. We still are but I interviewed a trainer. Today's Tuesday so interview to train on Sunday afternoon and we were about seven minutes into it and he bursts out crying. Stop it and say no. You're okay that's fine and he doesn't know I'll never say who it is but he does not know if he will ever be able to reopen his doors. Then I can imagine and that's scary and I saw L. events talking today about how it's a complete disaster in the UK that if you're self employed that you're not really getting looked after an alley was very openly talking about the fact that her work has gone. There's nothing there for her. No that's that's very tough for someone who's just had a child and I wouldn't like to think about what it's like to raise a child in those circumstances boss if you're responsible for a yard and you're responsible for employment and Sarah Line made the points on the show that she had received phone calls from people saying to you have work available because they've been let go from the stables and her and her dot don't know they have their full team and they're trying to look after the people that have and maintain those people and look there is more to life and this is this is deadly serious and when you hear sorry to get political but when you hear a dope like Donald Trump talked about. We got to reopen by Easter. Easter is a special time. It's got nothing to you too little time. It's beautiful beautiful time. It's got nothing to do my fantastic hotels that are all sold out like it's it's this is literally life and death put the tragedy. Is that as you say. It's also you have to wonder about those smaller stables that were struggling enough as it was and then this comes along and it's nobody's fault but there is a strong case for racing coming back behind closed doors in a very measured safe and responsible way can be done. I'm seeing done here. We by weak now. Punk wrongs jokey countries also said tremendous pitcher can be done Subsidy authorities in Britain and Ireland to try to be poised and ready to come back when when when that window opens again so the best that all the people I used to see on the race. School says Must be doing it. Really tough really tough at the moment. Bookmakers racecourse broke his. Not much has been said about them. As far as I can see where they go from here. Where do they go from just about to you know? Get into really busy time of year. Moving out of Cheltenham into aintree and then the big flat meetings etc. It's it's it's horrible and of course health. Health comes first every time and this has to be done responsibly. But I think the the back end of this crisis needs to be handled a whole lot more skillfully than the front-end in Britain at least because the the tardiness in in grasping what was coming down the track. His was pretty scary to watch from a distance. It's one thing that I hope people learn from. This is those nitwits like Farraj and Gulf and people who spent literally years telling us. I think we've had enough of experts. If we can't see through those guys now we never ever will. We need all the experts we can get and we need them to be brought in early and listen to Jane. Megan made a brilliant point on the podcast which was back in Twenty Fifteen Bill Gates Gate. That tedtalk where he predicted this very scenario and she said I wonder how many global leaders actually watched that or spoke to him or took notice of us. Because it doesn't look like a whole lot did now in Hong Kong. It looks like he did because you seem to have been very decisive over their boss. You have to wonder what the scary re scary getting back to racing though grain of all of the data that you have so you you've talked about sexual times at. The races are constantly updating their race cards and they're very details if there was something else that you could bring from Hong Kong over to the UK. What would it be? Well something. That's really useful? It the coming on nicely island I think. A barrier trials although filmed and they'll all available particularly button here and then not racist. But they are something approximating two races and you can pretty much tell whether holes is ready to run well new holes to Hong Kong. So you've got you've got some pretty solid data on horses who've never run before that. That would be a really interesting out. Barry Trials not catching on in the UK to any great degree but they seem to be getting little pocket or an island. That's something I find useful in an order. I'm just looking at the form of a horse called flying genius. Who will probably win? I shot in tomorrow's Light Rail to us and for every wholesome the Jockey. Club website that fold file neck file contains obviously the form records ratings placings et Cetera. Performance by distance. Trap wet records. You can see what every also donate morning workouts not feasible home and it's not something that I really rely on to our vets records. That's interesting everything holes has done by that here is logged on. It's on his file. Is it possible that home it would be expensive? I'm not sure all of it would be accurate. But there you go Pedigree relations that CETERA. But the Split Times which of that for every race the absolute key on even the ornery punters in the stands at the Ray schools. They have Akina understanding of pace. And how a race is likely to set up. And they'll bet accordingly much keen knowledge of of how each race is likely to develop because they've been brought up in a culture having that data on its chicken and egg if you give them the right data they'll use it now cast that Ford a little bit. It all is distilled into the price. So if everyone knows off thinks that are racist gonNA develop certain way it will challenge you to find a slightly different age. I've always been Americans call a trip handicapper. I adore watching videos and seeing which is really traveled through a race. And give me the impression that that that likely to improve on that by a good deal. That's not necessarily something that you can just get by looking at the Times of races all Split Times so it. Everyone has a different way of trying to find a bit and the most fundamental thing of all is the price. It's when you've done all that date that cringe tool that data. Can you be confident that you're getting apprised above the true probability of winning? That's the same whether you're in Ireland. England Hong Kong or Timbuktu. So it's it's it's a very very different system Very different system indeed but the same fundamentals apply but the one thing that I'd like to take back if I could just transported from Hong Kong aid to Britain and Ireland would be uniform split-times all across every track because although some people who some bright people have no real time threat. That's fine you don't have to use it but year by year as we fossils. Get Old and die off younger and younger. Punters will see this as a very important aspect of racing We've both been around long enough to remember. Lots of people saying it's coming it's coming it's coming but it never really comes to the no. It doesn't by the way flying genius goes in the two forty five on Wednesday at shotton from Graham Cunningham. We'll get some more gold the sound hopefully from green just before we wrap up but that race live on sky sports racing Wednesday at two forty five I bet exchange more waste bet more ways to win proud sponsors of the final. Furlong podcast. I believe and I'm willing to be corrected because it wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong and I certainly won't be the that. January twenty nineteen was when sexual times was supposed to be rolled out and still no sign and it was promised it was promised to. I understand that. Irish racecourses and the United Kingdom's racecourses individually are different the way that they are designed and the relations that they have. I still don't take that as an excuse though. I don't understand how this hasn't been rolled out and I certainly don't understand from our perspective how. Hr I haven't lent on the the ones who are expected to supplied and it's SIS and say boy. You told us this is going to be done. Why is it not it would take a few meant once? It's in place for each of those core system with meaningful split-times talktime so everyone knows whether the race has been truly round evenly run or slowly etcetera etcetera at. Listen if you haven't gone again this time next year two years. I don't think too much meaningful change will have been made because as we can see very very important stuff keeps getting in the way but For the latter part about shot. There's been a lot of A load of naval gazing in a negative but I watched Cheltenham aside from the political undercurrents. The racing was spectacular. I have missed home very often while I've been here. And the reason Saddam largely because I'm a black hearted cold hearted person I decided not to miss things and that helps me. I'm not black artist or called them quite sentimental but I tried to subdue that sentimental side because otherwise you'll spend your life pining for stuff at home. I the the racing at Chelsea and was spectacular. The flat season from May right through to October is brilliant Britain and Ireland and in France. When you get down to time etc the dose highpoints in the calendar still by large absolutely thriving. But it's further down the chain where you really see us so people in the next few want it is. I love the love. The way it's it's all sparse thousand please. God we're all back in action sooner rather than later and can enjoy it. What's it like watching Cheltenham from Hong Kong? And who really impressed you. Were you up on things that you've been keeping an eye on things or were you literally just reselling yourself. Ten joyous wasn't really on thing until maybe the weekend before I started to delve into to the really really good races and I couldn't do that. Andy caps for obvious reasons that they take impossible when you when you're at home with weeks to prepare. I stayed up for the search for Caisley five races each day. That took me to just after midnight here. I'd certainly enjoyed all of it. The highlights the obvious ones nickens going off like a house on fire and Well that was that was what what am I thinking of the week. Lease at Souda spended for four all but not always at those tremendous a watched Bracing TV and you know. I don't have to name any names. You can see some people that have right on top of the game these days. They're right on top of the game and they really brought it to life for for for an international audience as well as domestic point. You're I thought nick. Lydia Jane Mangan Berlin just absolutely superb. Jon newsome just fantastic. They really are in a thoroughly. Enjoy watching them. Always feel as though one of one of watched them and Steve Militias world. Feel as though you've learned something new when you when you come away from watching watching that coverage and I think we're very very lucky that we've got to. I don't think we talk about this enough at all that we're one sport we've got to dedicated channels covering it. You know. There's a lot of positives. There's a lot of negatives in racing. There's a lot of positives as well. And the fact that we've got this this sport that we're in a bubble and we love so much we've got to China to cover it. We're very very lucky. Before a leave it for a bit and see how much you miss it. We went away to lipid. Twit solution for a year will along ago over a decade ago and it doesn't take long away from that that routine which is part of every racing person's life it just runs. It's a thread that runs right through to life every day. Seven days a week and one form or another. Whether you're working or studying get hold going to the races and one of the things. I really miss his just going to. The races. Might not be a big one. It might be mid. We ain't or carlisle or pontefract something like that or whether it be over jumps and just go. You know wraps up if owns in with a few holes that you found on your race card and just get on with it on my Great Damn. I think of it. would recommend the people who we all a very guilty of this grumbling about racing about this up spects still no sectional times through it on. Racecourse is terrible. All these booze is getting in the way on a Saturday once. You're away from it for a few months. It's a very very very healthy reminder of all the good things about sports I would like to stress that due to be coming home. Some holidays in July No guarantees about three or anyone with the flights the way they are of the moment on the situation but I look forward to to going racing here and there in the summer if things about contract booked nothing nothing can reaching for granted right now. No but please you will be home. Please go do you will get to go racing but I guarantee you that within five seconds of seeing someone wearing no socks you'd be like Oh wanker. Their who should be thrown out of the game over here as well by the way no lights have been. It's been a thing of but when we get to manage view and it's so thirty degrees centigrade. So halfway forgivable it's the combination. It's no socks and trousers. That stopped just roundabout shinbone that I I tend to struggle with. You won't see me like shameful stuff absolutely shameful. There's no excuse for it particularly in the middle of winter and I've seen it sandown in December hot hell nuggets of Information Cream. Golden Nuggets of information for those of us who are looking into. Shelton on sky sports racing so of all of the three years that you've been there in the years that you were watching it beforehand. What have you learned that we can apply to improve our own? Viewing enhancement of the of the sport. But also if we're going to tackle the car tomorrow and do a few bets on the exchange or we're going to do a nice little lucky fifteen walk. Can you tell us to help us improve our betting strategy? Well there's no real shortcuts of this because if you're not familiar with this whole says you need weeks and months to get familiar with them Job Ship is very warm. Now you have two three four outstanding Jackie here on the stats. Reflect that I'm MIRA going head to head for the title is to in it. Murata route five minutes on Saturday to go ahead of. They both have really good rides tomorrow on the dirt. The rare is the dominant or whether jockey this season by far. He's interesting wide in the last race. As number three buddies. This'll go off at three fifty. Uk I'm time John Je more trains. He is a really really aggressive front runner. He will have pressure on the speed interesting. This quote a little bit British expertise interest air people remember glorious artist but when Johnny Hills a couple of years ago further down King Shield. He was John Gosden. Horses last. Run FOR GOSDEN. I think was this behind his stablemate without parole. In the group one St James's Palace stakes royal ascot. Red Desert used to his Cheltenham and one at Brighton. Cuban read style used to be ways. Beckett was dead consistent Uncle Steve used to be with his David Simcock and he won a beverly all sorts of partition. Portia but keep an eye on buddies. He's Got Moreira for the first time he's GonNa glow draw. I draw something. We should mention. Twelve hundred meters shops in ducks. It's not an issue. Even spread of when is in place to assist all across the track. Sixteen fifty by contrast is a draw race the very quickly into the first bend hydraulic horses tend to struggle to get a good position. If we don't get a good position on the dirt you can be in trouble. But he's is very quick from the gate he's GonNa very smooth traveling front running. Start Style dorms three. He's banging form after an excellent second to potentially good horse on tough. Last time comes back to the he'll be well fancied well found in the market but buddies has a big chance in race. Fatal haven't done all the time. Been engaged on of the things that now. I don't have the luxury of looking horse racing all the time now. There's a corporate element to my job. That takes up some time but six flying genius race eight buddies should give you two good runs. Charleston. Dirt Fest on Wednesday short. Social distancing is never a problem at shot in dirt night beatings the funk tend to how shall we say what she'd on the Tel? You keep keep to themselves Krecko a few cold ones and watch it from home is is essentially what you're saying there just looking just looking at him. He's he's by so you think high Cheryl's best son so already. I'm a huge fan of them already. Fun Hosta watching the comes out against like sprints. Aren't you can maintain really strong fractions. So he's really good race We've go big racing commitment on Sunday. Stars are back on deck. We have three worms on the twenty sixth available Champions Day. Sadly I don't think we're going to get the international runners. This forty oriented at the moment but look at the logistical equation. And your broom has to be here. Two weeks before the holes in order to do his quarantine to kick for a team. He's going to be two weeks in a hotel or whatever on his own or her own The train jokey cont getting for International Raiders unless that propensity to quarantine unlikely so it looks like Champions Day might will be a domestic set to end this weekend. We have beauty generation. And why COU COU in big mile group to race and a fantastic sprint top sprinters. Who were on duty at the moment poking through on massively exciting young two zero? Watch out for him. Miss the stunning former champion sprinter. Thanks good quality horses. Somebody's a big day back on the grass at Shanti Shanti with the heavyweights trading blogging. How is that going to affect things in Hong Kong? If we are in a situation where an increasing looking like we will be that they aren't going to be able to bring in the international runners or even if there's a situation where despite the prize money the international competitors just aren't prepared to travel due to the current circumstances how much of a blow to Hong Kong with up the well. We'll way down the track. We're all in trouble if Hong Kong's in trouble because you can see the problem for the twenty sixth of April that self evident if we can't get instant Russia's in December that means this thing has gone bad really not so let let. Let's not even think about that for the moment let. Let's think positive and think that this thing can be rectified. Gradually through the late spring early summer and that Britain and I'll in France Germany all of Europe Australia's disrupted to a certain extent likewise America. That thing gets better. Globally under racing can move forward along with society because the two racing Congo without society now racing Congo governments now racing us to be in lockstep with the rest of society. That is not a very familiar or comfortable position for racing to be in. The sport likes to run. Its own race wherever it can sadly that is not an option anymore for quite some time just before we go from your perspective of being in. Hong Kong and watching everything that's happening on this side. What would be your message of hope for those this thing in who are keen racing fans but also who are worried themselves about the future that things can get better. Yeah short short term. I think we've been sensible responsible precautions in place racing cam review on behind closed doors on then. Hopefully the government will lead us to place where they can say. We've confidence that things are improving. And they're ready to start opening up ray school system the general public again and more than that. It's probably the law which and hope that we will retain some memory of how tough times like this are installed. Try to be a little bit more helpful in understanding to each other because we've seen from General Elections Etcetera Memories of very short we. We soon resort to backbiting and dog a main just off if this doesn't teach us all to get along a little better than nothing ever will. This place is very unusual on Kong would not like to make direct comparisons with anywhere else in racing sense this. This is such a focal point of Hong Kong life. It's hard to imagine one without the other as goes the government so goes the jockey club and they move in harmony on pretty much every pass racing to go with the authorities for the moment. But hopefully there'll be a brighter news in the next few months making cure lescot. Your goodwood can get the show back on the road. Go Away at the same time. Goodwood in Ireland and you never know good can sometimes come out about. Al began this instance but for the moment the next couple of few weeks and months of really really going to be hard. It's no you can't you can't show that people. Can you know you can't and the only thing that we can do is as you say. Be there for each other while being apart and I think what you say is eloquent because it's fantastic to see just how many people are pulling together and it's lovely to see the respect that the NHS and the heat. Jessie are getting because now everybody can see just how much we rely on them and You know it was quite a depressing time to rely so heavily on the hit. You See Feroze back in late two thousand eighteen and twenty nineteen but the remarkable people. I have no idea how they're doing what they're doing now. Please God. This isn't going to last much longer will will come at the other side of this. I can't let you go without asking you about the passing of Peter. Beaumont who chose Italy passed away at age eighty five. You must have come across some a lot in your time covering racing. Yeah I'm glad you did ask me about peace dome on if you'd asked me at any point in the last twenty twenty audience favorite people to deal with in this bolt pizza. Belmont would have been took three probably won't because he was a diamond of the block and haven't been doing much twitter or anything like that recently The I would like to pass on my best or his family. His daughter very well from her duties. Kelso and count melon and York more recently. But he was an amazing fella not just because he was superb trainer of Jumpers and steeplechasers in particular. But he would I'll tell you back to a date and it seems like a million years ago. Many people listening to funds forecast won't remember this. There was a time and the wasn't much racing on Sunday and sometimes the wasn't any racing on Sunday so you go and do the report and I started a phone afterward for time former went out to work for the sporting life and you do the big steeplechase it might be the Scottish National Whatever. It might be dead lucky and there wasn't any racing today after so you didn't have to file your reports until like slate. Sunday morning so you have a nice day at the races and then he'd put your report together. Maybe on Sunday morning and called Traina of the big winner to see how he come out to the race. And it was Peter Paul Mon. It was fantastic. Because you had this really lovely compensation gentle but also very informative and ride sense of humor but always at the end and I'm not. Don't get me wrong and I'm not knocking any other trainers for this. Very busy man. Or why should they be interested? In how scribe or ascribes describes family getting that Peter will always turn the conversation around towards the end. And say anyway how you getting on. Then you know he'd be about about you and yours for a bit on. He was genuinely interested in people And you came off the phone thinking Christ my days a lot better than it was half an hour ago. Just because I've been speaking to this fella and his horses is really good. Horses embodied him one hundred percent that they were big strong dead honest and really really lovable. He was trying this guy and Joe Dom would be one of the horses the he he actually would be him and the fellow are two of the earliest sources that I can remember. My mother bought me racing paintings if a number of years ago and the three of them one of them is of the minstrel one of them is of the fellow put its fellow beating. Giovanni in in the Gulf Cup and he used to come over to Leopardstown and bring Jeremy over for the the what is now the Irish Gold Cup but then the Tennessee and one zero at at least to them. But you know for him to win. The Gold Cup obviously meant an awful lot for four. I I suppose pro for that particular areas. Well it just it. It would have lifted the area. He did a brilliant job with Judah me to go and win a Gold Cup with them as well but also the fact that he's a UK trainer coming over to Ireland for the prep. And then going back again it was. It was fantastic. And you've spoken about eloquently and the fact that Marc Dwyer had such a long relationship there. Stormin Norman came in and towards the end Markle remarkable man isn't all says as well just to look at them big strong puzzle Horses Young Kenny and other classic example. Jj Henry in the early days resolved colognes. Nikki d Just fantastic era in northern racing. And it's horrible Trichet. But just don't make them like that anymore that the eastern visa left thank goodness. Still Tipping Away You think these guys will be here forever. Sadly Peter Beaumont leaves. He leaves a legacy of untested night. He really does and eloquently and wealth said and a nice and fitting weight and position to the final podcast. I can't thank you enough grain for joining us all the way Hong Kong. You've given as a lot to think about some great insight into Hong Kong racing but also more importantly I think some great insight into itself and this is a time move reflection but also a time to be hopeful and I'm certainly feeling a whole lot more hopeful left. You're speaking to you the very best of luck to you with life in Hong Kong. I hope allstate as well and Please get to talk to you again soon. It made me feel but thanks. It really enjoyed it. You're a good man Graham Cunningham on the final furlong podcast. Thanks so much for this thing. 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PART 2 : Ed DeRosa

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It's all and Ooh they don't okay saw the news from the Godolphin team yesterday but thunderstorm is as you can tell where this was headed. thunder snow is not going to be able to participate in the Breeders Cup and you you just with with all the delays and and not being involved it in the you know in the campaign that they were hoping for him so they ah the word is that he'd been sororities hoping that they'll let him go on with under snow as soon as he's ready to resume training and that could be campaign that involves the Winter Carnival Bolton Dubai and another go why not put the at the World Cup so too bad thunder I though thunder snow certainly wormed his way it's a lot of people's uh parts and so forth Johnny Johnny de Rickaby Laffy. We'll see Johnny tomorrow tomorrow at Philly well. We're having hammered hammer texted me and so I don't know what exactly yeah he needed back about fifteen minutes ago. He needed a couple of minutes before we could reach him so Maybe what we'll do. Instead is go in this direction and let we'll try to flip flop Rosa for instead all right. Let's try that everybody the the typical go ten o'clock second our people they they all backed it up and wanted to go in the third hour tonight for whatever reason it happens a a couple of pieces. I can slip it as well. We'll save that for Hammer. The obvious saw this after the discussion we had about last week about the jockey club proposing placing caps on the books of bears that stallions could cover the news came yesterday. Jockey Club is signed on a what seems like a very interesting company from I did did this morning actually just a little bit of poking around and plus vital limited their Irish and and they are genome specialists and they're going to I guess on an ongoing basis I it wasn't like they commissioned them for a study or for a certain consulting they they're going to basically stay stay on with this project and help with research and offer insight on this topic Dr Emma Line Hill and and I am certainly looking forward to having a chance to reach out to them and to Dr Hill because I as I said with those conversations you know all last week that we were we were talking I thought thought that this is just fascinating. What the the effect on the breed and and you know the inbreeding versus how cross and so so forth so the Doctor Hill appears 'cause I I said last week I said do you know of any buddy in that arena and the Jockey Club went out and found found somebody so also the news front you may have seen headlines about the aw Massachusetts thoroughbred Horseman Association sending out a press release about a project in Rowley Bass which is sort of a kind of middle of nowhere in Massachusetts? It's it's a that's a part of the it's part of the state that nobody nobody really nobody really. I don't know how anybody from Raleigh but yeah it's up toward it's just outside of Hazel and and up toward you know up toward the corner toward Maine and New Hampshire north of you know well north of Boston and north of the Cape but I don't read too much into this the proposal at its very well intentioned but it you know that that thoroughbred this Massachusetts Thurber Horsemen's association is really a non. It's really a non entity that it's really not the the negotiating the authentic Massachusetts who sits policeman so this this is not the this is not going to go anywhere essentially essentially and there's ED derosa standing. Hey Good Morning Good morning excellent excellent ah I expected to talk to you in about half an hour but we'll take it out air I am. I appreciate the early bird when I'm at the traffic. No sweat here sure well. We just talked to James so usually I break you guys up but a couple of the top couple of the topics what's that we hit with James to what was your impression at Dennis's moment and how does he. How does he jump at era? Yeah I'm impressed. I tried to beat them. just happy and honest you know I just thought it two to five or three to five wherever wherever he ended up being you you know maybe given the gate issues and mile and a sixteenth positions important to Churchill. There's worth taking a shot I was impressed with the professionalism I still don't think we've seen from him quite the the speed performance. You know. We're like wow this is fast is we've seen in a while. I haven't seen that from him but the professionalism in that effort I thought was impressive. I I was watching. I read pretty closely especially on replay and he he just seemed to respond to every q i read gave them including. It's the end Iran pretty much shut down on them and he was still running but that was my impression is like man you know this is a horse who can handle a ship to the West Coast Breeders Cup and as we go down the Derby trail oh you know bigger crowds and fuller field so I I was left impressed with his mind still waiting. You know I think for all the Buzz I think we're saying okay. When are you going to be really fast and we haven't seen that yet but knows he has a rocket ship so I'll be interested to see how his training lead up to the Breeders Cup and of course the runner up to we talked yesterday that he can easily at a very excited about what scabbard did in there and you know for for horses that were making making a transition to to turns that that was what you WanNa see agreed and and I go back really to is since debut which was Churchill well he he sort of made that chandelier move which Churchill can be a an absolute punisher horses they look like they're looming up on the outside around the turn and they just flat out and Hang the rail can be very kind in those situations and on debut he ranged up and then just kept on going and and blue by so that's another horse where you know when you look at what he's done is a is a two year old as exciting as you know the performances themselves so their Iroquois very likely to have a say come breeder of time yeah I I agree and it'll be fun is then get through the west coast and the East Coast also the Woodbine two year old events and then you start shuffling the deck and Mixing and Matching Coaching and that's that's when it gets interesting what any other observations from the weekend woodbine or otherwise I mean I'll say I'm not sure my my tweet with the trainers at Church oh but the parody there in the barn area absolutely incredible which of course a testament to the condition both Ben Huffman's put together for these big purses but we've had thirty nine races Steve what forty winners because there was a dead he and thirty four individual trainers that one those forty races enter the first four days of the me now trainer has more than two wins with which I think is incredible and you look at some of these names probably not to foreign to those who follow the Kentucky Circuit for years but it makes handicapping these races exciting knowing that you can look beyond the obvious name pains and that's no slight on that and they're fantastic horsemen and their leaders in the barn area for a reason but you know to to see you know a Tommy bamber come I'm in with the layoff horse and win and others drawn a blank but just you know names you know right there with all the other thirty four has it's been a tree so looking for more that says the meat wines down and I actually I've? I've got the winters book I got the winners book here and I had I had not seen that tweet but it is it is intriguing and you look between the invaders and you know having being you know having guys like George Paraffin and Peter Miller wind guys like that that are that are coming in from other parts of the country Stanley Hof had then you've got the the locals but I mean virtually everybody you could imagine randy. Matthews Chris Hartman David Vance heel-pass West Hawley Red Dog Gary Hart Lidge the Romans you mentioned Van Berg Randy Moss does that does that to Mandy Moore Snow Randy Matthews and Randy Moss Jason Barclay Polo Logo uh-huh getting in the act of my I love it. I Love Paula. Local had all the way back to Vigo Steve Hobby so we gotta get hobby in there. I love it. Catman Catalano Catman has got one of those horses that he talked about the show was that last week I think think last week early last week we wait. I'm pretty sure that I saw one of those Gary. Mary West sources that he hinted. He said he had a a bunch of two year. Olds that we're going to start to run the last third of the year he excited the golden down then so ah see him pretty much every live race day and do has hinted that you know not not all of them runners but you know watch out so we'll oh definitely be looking for him and and things are a lot more fun when he has a couple of good ones in and he trained way back three man. I one of my personal favorite so I I was just off soft spot for the conditions conditioners some of your babes well. Let's let's dive in Ed and go where wherever wherever you want to start I'll start today because I I like a bomber speaking of you know maybe some some trainers people aren't familiar with it but genevieve Llano when in the fifth grade which is just a ten thousand maiden claimer number can she wants more fifteen to one on in the morning line. this one dropping in for a little bit and I'm really intrigued that cow main stage aboard he wrote this Philly Alice and entry. Just you know kind of just ran ran a race but I noticed the second and third place finishers from that main rates both came back to win there was a race gestured as that a bomb won a maiden race that fell ten and I really didn't have much even after the race positive to Japan down the horse so that you know how did this get by me at thirty two one but out of that terror rates I did notice that the second and third place finishers had had one so I'm GonNa pay just pay attention to maybe some key maiden races for the younger horses that are dropping int- and face better horses yeah they run their race and maybe the drop wake just one outfit fifteen to one with Miguel main stain afford. That's number ten in race five five Churchill. That's that's a very legitimate answer and and you know there's also the it's sort of that ongoing that ongoing phenomenon we see with what's happening in Ohio where you had the you know the trickle down effect from the gaming courses follow money and better horses have gotten into the horse population and you're seeing in the fact that at places like Laurel and and Charlestown this weekend in particular I I saw more and more horses last race that this'll down and I would be very aware of these kinds of and you know we've discussed this as well in our conversations with Dick Powell about press kyle and places that course players Mentally Salihi may may have certain there may be a certain fog of negativity and sort of an impression an ongoing oppression Russian. We get this New York ed where finger lakes horses come to Saratoga or downstate and you instantly think well. It's finger lakes camping. I it's gotta be inferior. Go very tread very lightly on that because better and better horses are running in Ohio and then they're going to they're going to do well in Ohio and in fact that altissimo is is is is exporting out of Ohio Bread Company for the most part art actually beat open company last time and I'll t c Mo a horse you know that this weekend is showing up in mixed company and could be very much a player so I don't don't let don't let old tropes and old thinking about circuits in basically cloud your judgment agreed and you know I think someone's to the secrets out. At least you know among the people I talked to do seem to bring it up every year but you know press kyle especially those horses they're shipping to Keeneland are not to be discounted and we we know that you know guys like Jonathan. Sheppard and Graham motion and others are not shy about making the trip from fair girl the press style you know they're they're looking for certain condition condition or and or the Tampa Bay they come to keeneland and do well even in the post poly track era and you know about terrorists definitely a player for Kentucky players. 'cause we see those horses obviously at turf win the winner that they come in Kim London and we saw Churchill yesterday and you know the main track there for Ohio so I would say probably has better main track horses day to day about terror. Is Your only option in Ohio and you know guys. Who Do you know maybe WanNa get a race and I've even seen Wesley worship some two year olds up there so yeah the Turpin fell terror? I'm not GonNa make that mistake again right after got survey job good that was that was a good aside all right so today with Miguel main. I'm for and the ten in the fifth us. He's he's the greatest and a big personality the ten she wants what's more in the fifth today. Churchill Fred all right. Let's talk about Saturday's action and I suppose Philadelphia gets us going can start park drive a dogwood tab as well but no problem start power to other the catoon and and I'm one of these sometimes questions needing a restricted grade one tree or this late in the year but all is forgiven when you're able to put it feels like this together I mean this. Is You know other than I Columbia Road but you're never gonNA get them all. this is the field you ought to sort out this division and I'm GonNa go with the oaks winner you know maybe a little bit of a home or play but it just seems what's her and this you know sort of eight and a half for a long race and with the other the obvious speed on the outside. If if Iran reiter appropriately I think she can run the from the outside offer feet and then maybe you have enough to keep on a then Parana made me look foolish the ACORNS so I'm perfectly prepared for that to happen happen again but she will be the favorite Steve and you know here's a chance where we can you know two three times the price on a Kentucky oaks winner who granted it's not wonder last to but also would be impossible to say. She's done anything wrong either so with the price I'm Gonna I'm GonNA STICK WITH THE O. Silly and love the connection indeed easy to root for her owners from Columbus and just you know horse. I like to cheer on as well but things you've been here at the eight and a half so yeah I like it all right. What about the Derby the derby super compelling well? Unfortunately I'll be so you know with the the big maximum-security out who who I would pick to be honest I do think he's the best this group but he's out in now's a chance for someone else to jump up and I think think jump up could come from spun Iran's Mister Money certainly is done nothing wrong in his assent has been magnificent to watch. I've been there live for two of his races with maximum security out. I think he'll he'll be right there. With war. Then improbable is a favor and I think now's a chance the jump in and Spun Doron whose Smarty Jones got a one ten personnel speed rating and and I have not checked out so what do you got on some of the more designer figures earshot. I'm guessing we were probably a little higher than others on that but nevertheless that signals some real talent and we won't get eight to one cause maximum security the Dow but it's the that they should we lose. I think we lost. We lost lost their minute Ed. I picked fun to run in the Pennsylvania Derby that yeah that that part that part we got I I didn't I didn't get all the rationale no but I can certainly I can certainly understand what what do you. What do you think of this scenario? What do you expect to happen? I mean I'm the the pace ratings the person that puts out it's conceivable even that Mr money could be on the front with you know little further outside of improbable and war. Will I just think think based on what we've seen. In how train this horse they liked the target so I'm really interested in the cat and mouse and we know that Mike Smith not afraid to take race excuse people if he thinks he can war will certainly with what we saw on the previous figures to be forwardly placed so I kinda WanNa pot and just say I think that's part of what makes this such. A compelling race is these horses have shown some professionalism to ray even though they have the speed to go on with it so I I meager to see how that plays out yesterday in an extensive conversation Steve Asking Steve made the the logical point about the way baffert operates in a situation like this and how how how likely it would it would be for Smith to take control and and just go and and because he's going to absolutely depending on how the how the and how parks is playing I mean typically the inside is never good place to be but there have been years Pennsylvania Derby Day when the when in fact the inside has been okay so they'll judge that and I imagine that that they at least go get position Titian and we'll see you know we saw Smith who to do with the Kinsey in the eligible no in the Whitney okay the way in which the way in which he gained early position let horses go on and then came around that might be the plan with improbable but you know what Gates has does with a horse that just went fifty eight and one recent work. Mark granted he did it. He did it so effortlessly. it just feels like Mr Money is almost certain to break running thing and then it comes down to what Gaffe Leone does with Worrell well it. That's the intrigue and this is. This is an example of a situation situation where you don't necessarily need twelve horses Ya got you got five major horses here even without maximum security purity who would have been six. You've got five horses and it's going to be really interesting. How they go out of the out of the gate? You know I absolutely and you know good good on power. So we've heard a lot of promises from a lot of tracks about the type of horses they could get ah with expanded money and and in this case they absolutely now they've lived up to the hype with what they've turned this day into on this part of the calendar under and to your point about you know you don't need twelve horses this time of year you know for better or worse. Etcetera naturally want twelve horses because we get to see code Arnor in the Jockey Club which you know is getting to be rare trees seeing some of these horses take on older on that stage which is an an extremely worthy stage for any horse so it's good to spread out maybe this time you're obviously fulfilled or desired you know more up in the not but in this case terms of separating the division this is what we're left with this year and make the next few weeks really citing well and this has been a race and it's not it's not like this race has not had big fulfills historically be they generally. It's generally been a bulky size field. The be an honest I mean I was. I was so high maximum security. I kinda understood why you know with him. Pointing to this race that they didn't so you know get fillers and then he came out and whatever but I mean the way Mr Money and improbable been running the summer you yeah I get it well and this is also the time of year that you go back and you pull up the charts from from the triple crown. Perhaps the big great one perhaps in and from the triple crown itself and you begin to also say to yourself you know where where did some of these horses disappeared too well. I'll I'll give you a horse. Where's spinoff spinoff won that race at Saratoga and then he's been rumored for everything since and he's nowhere where is he took a good question? I don't I mean there's there's there's a whole bunch I mean we know about we know about the top end of of that chart but yeah there's quite a few that ended up you know on the sidelines we we know we're taxes and so forth and and you know Tacitus Code of honor you just referenced but we think here here's the Derby field country houses is done for the year game winner now done for the year master fencer went home plus get Parfait Win Win win cutting humor by my standards for coma boaty Audie Express roadsters kind of a reappearing here and there long-range Taty spin off a grey oriole great magicians gone on and been fine He's had a good second half but you know there's there's there's there's six derby horses that basically have been laid lied that are sitting by the side of the road with a spare tire yeah well hello part of the front of the Golfer. Meat is the reemergence and Santa Anita with the West Coast sources but yeah some of these horses especially from the prep season that didn't actually make the Derby Kinda you know not ready for prime time and speaking of which it's been on my mind since you mentioned family recruiting ready of the Horse I remember watching the two year old year class that was classic Empire Coming Out Party. that that was in assimilating upper here ranted against allowance company but the seasons that horses had you know that that's one of those you kind of reported to the big ones sooner rather than later Deja Deja. WHO's working the board? She's she just pitched in with chocolate Martini on the other. I decided to ledger but that's a good question. What did Chocolate Martini disappeared too? She ran then after they. Oh so I don't know I I've lost track of a we'll have to we'll have a question for yeah for all right. Good one DEJA Deja. was that a phone call or or was that because that came out of left Field Indiana oh I can't I don't recall actually that was Deja that that was was her favourite horse from the first half of the year for you. I love the Ano- so I I do like three plan in the you too and obviously pick Sharon getty empress on top but I think you know looking at Matt eight to one range street bands the the horse to get into the number so you would you james both landing on street band so yeah and she's I think she will be around eight to one and you know that's one of those rose where were on a street band. Can still you know maybe get an overlay pricing attacked. what else any others last one will be the dog would hear Churchill Kovac obviously eating introduction avedis Darren getting verse lasts out but I I'm really intrigued by e the and cutting back champagne anyone think that's kind of a cagey move for him and you know horse to WHO's had had had some buzz around her. You know especially coming into into the okay so I'm I'm interested in that cutback here all right on on on number power she's got. She's got to improve but I get it. She certainly the other you know. She's certainly the option so we'll see what what the board says. I actually was surprised to see four to one on the morning line. I thought you'd be a little higher after last so we're at the board dictate well Ed. I appreciate it big really thought weekend. They told the James the racing at Churchill has been excellent already and it continues today tomorrow and Sunday and then into next week so we'll catch up soon good luck this weekend all right. Thank you all your listeners. have some fun this weekend. EJ Xt to add durose everybody. Let's take a break here and then we found hammer and there was clearly telecommunication mysteries at work but he's ready to go rick angrily joins US next

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"Sirius Xm ports presents with Steve horseracing becoming interviews this is who will stupid very good Thursday race fan serious nineteen exempt to a one sports night sixty four or if you're listening to Sirius Xm online and at our website as well Steve Dot com and I don't know even where to begin a after a draw day yesterday that has frontloaded just an insane gene weekend I and you know we knew and we were obviously focused on a lot of the BC type winning your ends and a lot of the discussion undoubtedly sadly today tomorrow will be in that in that direction however you're. You're not going to believe when you sit down. Maybe later tonight tomorrow. When you get ready for you know your weekend of play play and I think the weekend with Santa Anita opening tomorrow and the two great once the stronach five carryover as well it really the weekend kicks into the least I gear and little second tomorrow Saturday? It is is nuts. I literally have I'm GONNA guess two and a half inches worth of past performances to peruse and I know no I as I warned Tuesday and yesterday regarding the Fields New York I I knew to be brought it up with Indian. There'd be the usual cash Ri- about how the fields came together in New York but we knew we knew what to expect there and in some degree we got a little even better than expected the Vasbert actually ended up with a with a six pack and when I talked to Andrew Burn he wasn't sure that he could get more than four but he ended up with sex. Call Paul jumped in and and promises fulfilled ended up entering and there's really been no indication at so the Vasbert which to some degree agree you thought was going to be forensic fire and imperial and suddenly it got that much more interesting so group sex and it goes fairly early on the card and then the Bell Damon and the Jockey Club Gold Cup and rounding up horses against midnight visa who drew the rail it wasn't all that easy but there are five wildcat obviously a major player and Jackson who actually brought up Jackson with quite a few state runners the next next couple of weekends vexatious for in here as well and the recently claimed Crimson Frost Very Australia took from Aaron you go to for sixty two five and and she shows up an ear trying to get some black type certainly Australia thinking long term for his broodmare band. You've got another broad Taivon liven south human and Ron Lucci who contributed the as mentioned it was going to contribute to several several of the stakes. He's got spring in the wind as well a five year old mare the pilgrim as expected group nine of all all the things that could have happened for tuggle. I don't know if Jeremiah wanted the rail but that's what he got after we talked to him earlier this week so we'll have to negotiate in Louisiana will have to scoot early and gain position but most of the players that we expected in there there was that instructor that in fact Maya was a little nervous about with Chad Brown showing up I mentioned our country and George Weaver Brad Cox that anthracite that we discussed the other day and then the Jockey Club Gold Cup which oddly tenfold ended up running running in the Lucas so we lost tenfold from the the Gold Cup who seemingly going to be the fifth and Yoshida did not enter and I that you know when when Andy and I were discussing it he he had the impression you sheet it was i Andrew Byrne told me that they never came up so that's that was my that's why I was surprised that the suggestion Yoshida you might might run but Lucia contributes here with Olympic village although he's cross entered at at Churchill so I you know I I know people expect every every is supposed to have you know twelve horses I don't I don't know I don't know what to tell you you look through these these cards. It's it's amazing actually as you look around the country that there's as many horses in Saturday's action as there are at Churchill the act the Jeff Cup and the Lucas Classic pick which get nine eight and ten. They're gonNA run them. As the seventh eighth and ninth the Lucas Classic tenfold showed up there and as Brad Cox mentioned pioneer spirit running and of course you can't run pioneer spirit without running silver dust breath of course Mr Durant's silver dust with them. I it's unbelievable. They better end up at they better end up at at old friends together so they can run the fence line unbelievable pioneer spirit and silver dust but Sarangani showed up in here forget that he mitchell quip trying to get some traction Hachem who doesn't miss the dance so the Lucas classic the Jeff Cup for the three year olds going the mile in the eighth on the grass and interesting here Stanley with scars are cool track Smith as Joe Sharp told you Clinton Maroon comes right back for the catman after the the adventure last time and in the at the one mile how the sprint fast and how about how about Mr Darcy Mr Jager Meister and mister freeze shoulder to shoulder to shoulder so travis stone is is Mr Mr and more timeline first asthma sent unmatchable how about the Z. rocket and this is where Olympic Village is cross entered. We'll see what what what Lujan Babas and up doing with Olympic Village whether they run on a New York or in Kentucky. This is the tip I kid you not the tip of the iceberg because down in Florida you got the two year olds that rematch that we kind of heralded when we were talking with Saffy Joseph and he's GonNa try to come back with chance it and and Liam's lucky charm for Ralph Knicks. I'll send up. I'll put the link. Gulfstream's got that youtube page where they put all the replays you. If you haven't seen it you WANNA watch the affirm from August the thirty first I'll put that link up during the break there's also the wildcat air there's the two four hundred thousand dollar finales in the Florida for the two year olds and ten and and twelve in their the wildcat air also F- Tbo a money and the one mile three and drew a group of nine in as well then there's a series of of smaller stakes fifty and seventy five thousand so we're here we are in September. Gulfstream's got a big card. Laurel has got a terrific card. They're calling it. The September to remember turf festival type racing. They had the other one at the beginning of September the Anna rundle the shine again the Japan the Pant Turf Cup the Howard County and the phasing all along in advance of the tomato neom sale nice the nice super competitive fields fourteen in the all along eleven in the Turf Cup ten in the shine again. It's unbelievable and I'm when I tell you I I'm not. I'm not going to get to everything here. In the first segment Delaware has has got the governor's Cup Day and the the owner appreciation day those steaks have got nice bulky fields the things like the first State Dash and all that believable the Rosenberger and etc the Newcastle all of those steaks Laurel. It's amazing that Laurel and and monmouth is well and and Delaware Park could all put together these cards and at Monmouth you've got the finale of the match series the four stakes. It's really amazing amazing day of racing Saturday and I I think you're going to have to you're going to have to plot your course and lay it out and figure out where to pitch your tent. I I couldn't believe it every with every page I kept going to and seeing about the draws. I was like Oh my God l. Let's see have I mentioned Santa Anita. No I haven't Santa Anita of course the second day of the meat. You're going to be greeted with the awesome again and actually the awesome again with the McGee headliner certainly however higher power spins out of the the big win in the pack classic draft. Pick is back for Peter Martin seeking the soul went out there obviously get acclimated in and get a a spin over the surface Mongolian colleen groom and isotherm so six in the awesome again and rock-solid the Rodeo drive as well six and they're the phillies and mayors Murtha Recall Lisa World Siberian Iris Excellent Sunset and paved Michael McCarthy seems poised for a big weekend the John Henry the great feeding into the Breeders Cup turf and and they're interesting actually an interesting group and a few a few new faces so we we've got so much to do between now and noon tomorrow and not even I don't even oh how we're GONNA get for Sunday's action. The Oklahoma Derby the grade three. If you didn't see what went on at the Pillbox Hill box they're eleven and Brad Cox and Owen Dale drama far outside Florence Rue GonNa have to work out a trip and a very nice group for the grade three four hundred thousand dollars Oklahoma Derby Drifting West and view Magic Bank it asmussen The New York bred sleepy todd who haven't actually seen of late tax shipping now from New York and and horses that have come from New York have had a nice record go into this race funny guy more New York and New York bread so to New York breads out there for Terranova Regime Murat making trip to Oklahoma. Bring your passport regime and just chief Dallas Stuart Cairo cat mcpeek long-range taty asked me and then Muccio Gustavo and Owen Dale Oh really good really good Oklahoma Derby and of course the remington green that came up with Brad Cox Mr Misunderstood in there and quite a bit more looking at Lea- quite a few of usual suspects the the oaks came up short lady Apple Apple is is going to be very short in there stood him brings classic classic fit and gold standard for Cox she shiny as well. Jim Williams Jim Williams victims. You also have the gaylord in the Vance Sunday at Oklahoma at Remington really good so you know what we will get. We have to get to get married REPA- leamy. You can't can't bypass berry. There's the top line of Outlandish Landis action I- unbelievable the more you look the more you like and and you know there's there's two year old maiden races all over the place so I hope I I got a roadmap unbelievable. the match series is GonNa come down by the way to Miss Locus his point and Bronx beauty in the regret going the eighth Mama that'll decide the bonus monies these for everybody in the match and the match series again this year and be a tweak the formula. Maybe we'll get Alan foreman to kind of wrap things up up on the on the match this year. It's been a big success doing it sort of festival estimate days instead of having divisions run simultaneously several racetracks which is stuff to coordinate having them at the five different tracks in the mid Atlantic that worked doubt very well and boosted handle at at each of the tracks and it's been a upshur Allen. They'll go back to the chalkboard and try to make it even better one story and I'll bring Steve Haskins later. Get his opinion on it because it it it's quite it's quite interesting and I guess last week it. When the fairgrounds laid out their schedule it got noticed that they tweaked the distances of their Derby preps and the La Com from a mile and seventy two a mile and a sixteenth early in the year then the risen star in February sorry goes to the mile and an eighth distance and the Louisiana Derby a mile and three sixteenths really interesting and I it will see what I wanna see what Steve Thanks Marcus Hirsch Asia notice that when he got the the email I saw a tweet about it and some people had commented on it last week but it really really? I really hadn't thought much about it but it's it's really it's really different at of course the other mile and three sixteenths race on the road to the Derby Dubai a derby. We'll see we'll see what has can thanks. We're GONNA start it off with Pete. 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I know they'll be glad to see old friends equine dot org or call us at five zero two eight six three seventeen seventy five uh and now back to at the races with Steve Vic on Sirius Xm radio nucleic they will they found the proposed. Jason Kidd best way. We're back twenty minutes in. I you know I have just trying to answer a couple of questions on twitter so thus have been a media player update last leader last yesterday or the day before because I've had a handful of people little saying that they're they can't get the stream but the stream is up and and it's okay it might guests is that your media player had an update because whenever whenever this happens invariably. It's a media player update so I would go with that although if you if you haven't updated your this is always one of those announcements that is pointless because if you can't hear then you don't update your Media Player what would you do. You're doing it right. Get the word out there via twitter. You've got a lot of fans out there and even even if the person who's struggling to find the feet at the moment doesn't see maybe they're they're Powell will and be able to to let them know what's going on. I think that's I think that's the right. Move is one of the things that happened staff to over on our show some of these technological things we can't really help the good news is in addition to being a streaming product that I know so many people listen into driving around on Sirius. Xm They can also always go back and check out the archive on Steve Dot COM which I was true to my word and did last week Stephen got what's the catch up on some really great conversations including those with Marshal Graham and and Paul Matisse so there's more than one way to consume at the races. That's well usually usually case gets a caller to that. That's that's like the that's like the first flare then and then case would tell me and then I'll try to get the word out but it I asked Asia right away said it's a stream okay should yeah streams up and sheep extremes right in the studio so it's got to be on the Media Player the other option always whenever you have trouble like this you've closure browser clear your cache and reopen the browser and invariably that will take care Arabic and you know the other thing is a lot of people I I'm certainly guilty of this. You may go days and days and days with especially if you're on the laptop you may go days as in days and days without ever turning the laptop off and rebooting your own your own laptop and and so a lot of those kinds of things like like updates. Don't get you know until you do that until you close everything and and reboot a lot of that stuff doesn't get plugged in and I I. I may go took the meeting New York yesterday but so I did turn it off but you know I make sometimes go a week without without turning the thing off. I love those error messages. You know updates Wendy one. When do you want to try again? You know in an hour and the day hey I'm guilty of going. I think a month at a time saying try to nice try US tonight. I have had similar problems especially especially when travelling when you're on news networks it is a good idea to make sure you're fully updated. Get those starts going in like you said clear the cash you don't know how to do that depends on the browser but super breezy Google search and a Ken speed things up and make for much smoother listening experiences as well speaking of problems. There's GonNa it'd be a big problem. I I opened the show by just trying to give everybody a grip on the weekends action and there It's nuts I typically will doubt steaks and then there's a few places where you think again. You're not gonna get but the more I looked the more I had to end up printing out so I've got virtually everything and I haven't even mentioned the the Ontario. You've got the Durham Cop in the Ontario Derby at Woodbine the Saturday but it'll be. It'll be very interesting to see probably later today what holly short and Michelle Raven Crafts select as the races for the a free contest there is the fourth free contests tomorrow Saturday and abhors players of course and this is always a It's a crapshoot and five people will get. NHCD seats but it's free and the seats seat especially for the folks that got their tour membership through the beat big contest at the discounted price is really absolutely no reason not to go ahead and take this take this free role I it will be interesting to see I would imagine what do you think later today. They'll have those habits apple three typically they'll have they'll have some really nice raises choose from because even even beyond the snake action action. There's going to be in between there's there's some very good allowance. Races and field size isn't an issue I know people bowl groused about what what we ended up with in New York but we knew we knew there wasn't gonna be big bulky fields in the the Vasbert ebb which looked to be the the most narrow ended up kind of rallying in the stretch and ended up pretty good you know but there there's so many options for for horses that it it makes it hard and also the mile and a quarter distance of the Jockey Club Gold Cup part of the decision we talked about this yesterday and the option to go mylan quarter versus the mile in the eighth prepping for the the Breeders Cup classic so there's there's a lot of options and owners are always going to you want the the path of resistance for nature of the beast right. It's it's it's what about the sport that can be frustrating time. What horsemen's interests that owner's interest don't necessarily align with with with fan interest especially in the especially short term and especially at a day like this with would you know we've become so breeders Cup centric and it's great that we are in? It's one of my favorite things are as two of my favorite days of racing the year but you do see this where it almost becomes a little bit like regionals before the big final so something has gained a little bit something lost. I don't know I'm still really excited from from a sporting point of view to check out a race like this jockey club Gold Cup and it might not be scintillating from abetting point of view but it wouldn't surprise me at all if we can find some places to put our money in and from a sporting point of view and from a looking ahead to Breeders Cup point of view three-year-old divisional championship honours. I couldn't be more excited about it honestly despite the five of appeal so plenty of good stuff on tap this weekend well. Let's look back at last weekend and I've been waiting to talk to you to to recap the big one at Laurel which looked like it was a great success with a big attendants and some big prices and the players could have latched onto and up at the top of the leaderboard they certainly did including that you know that what kind of wild result in New York at in the nightcap you know where you had the gate issue and the non starter and all that and and you had a big prize at the end so how about a recap of what went on it at the the big one big winner with Tony Martin fifty one year old old retired groundskeeper from Lexington Kentucky ends up winning the Grand Prize which was twenty seven thousand plus the bank roll and and some seats as well it was nearly a full field they allow up to fifty seven in the context they ended up with fifty four Martin finished with a bankroll of three hundred dollars in the in the sort of unique big one format got the BBC and the NFC as we said the format for those that don't know if there were five mandatory races each day within seven extras chosen by the player Barton end up hitting the both of those Belmont Park late day long shop who were cert- the one who paid a hundred and thirty one fifty to win thirty four twenty two place and also so had Saratoga colonel returning a cool sixty one fifty and twenty six twenty Bruce Pratt of Las Vegas ended up second gets thirteen thousand five five hundred for that as well as an NFC entry and a Pegasus Feet Paulk here dose of Pennsylvania came in third with one hundred fifty six forty get sixty thirty seven fifty and H C and B CBC and then just around out the top ten of familiar names in here Howard Welsch Chris Paul Drafts Edward Right Sean Nolan Steve Harrison Howard Bloomberg Mike Mulvihill one of the Chicago one of that very strong long contention of Chicago players joy catching up with Mike at contest not the same as the Fox Mike Boorda Hill Different Mike Hill but very very sharp guy and and they also do a pretty cool thing for the big one if you're dual qualify for the NHCD as well the hill and Bloomberg already where you get five five thousand dollars in since you can't get the third spot so lots of good action happening down at Laurel in the big one this weekend nice and I I saw the Eric Wing had a big detail recap and one came from holly as well a popular one of the you know big opportunities talk about the high ratio and the opportunity to you know to to win in and they're still they're still a few more yet to Tacoma Tacoma the plenty of time although you know if you're if you're a regular qualifier and you haven't gotten one yet you you gotta get a little right little couple of bucks right. There's some there's some travel plans you might WanNa make to a place like Hawthorne which is Great Place to qualify for the NFC or take a look you know NPR dot com. We'll have all the opportunities and even more pressing than any C- qualifying Breeders Cup right around the corner one thing I'll mention I think we've talked about this a little steep but it's such a great promo. They're doing over at horse players dot com these he's no takeout Tuesday's you're looking for a little action early in the week and you also want a couple that with a good opportunity take some of those no takeout Tuesday feeders for Breeders Leaders Cup and maybe you can start your journey to the Breeders Cup betting challenged. I just think as I know inside information on this but I have a feeling that contest is I'm GonNa take a big step forward this year after everything they did to fix some of the issues with from two years ago I think everything's going to be onward and upward news coming down last week that the in addition to being able to play on express that you can also play on TV gee if you can't make it out to Santa Anita but that's scenario Mary of all get out there to Santa Anita. Hopefully we're going to have hopefully it's going to be a really satisfying and and great breeders couple. Maybe that's such a great job as the Ho- site out there in the past and it could be a nice way to sorta turn the racing calendar if you will I'm back into the onward and upward for for Breeders Cup and for for California race. That's the hope anyway well. We'll talk about the weekend Santa Anita Saturday and Sunday with seats available but low sow. I want to get the Los Al result in too because Jeff Ho- got up on everybody early and leaderboard invariably any California contest you're GONNA have a lot of familiar names and the competition level is is fierce. That's true everywhere but seems a California. It's particularly the strong but who took an early lead and just you know held them all safe from there. He wins a seat thirty six hundred in cash Steve Pereira second total of seventy two hundred dollars in prizemoney seventy two entries Dave Snyder. WHO's double qualified was third bike? Bob Is just an absolute perennial and of course the partner on horse bills and DOT com one of the one of the the really great handicapping minds he was fourth and who who else I see James Lee out how about my man James v Eddie Logan tweet representing low sal. I don't know what the equivalent of the of the Logan doc in sweet as Los Album both have really stepped up their game with contests in the last three or four years then then people aren't sleeping their understanding and even even folks like that who are used to playing in the Santa Anita events. They're going out of their way to get those allen. It's a good idea especially especially when you're talking about the winning seats. NASA well the it's not exactly like the logan which is kind of intimate a specialized but the vessel's club is the spot at low sow and invariably uh-huh our chairman basically holds court I on a nightly basis daily Ba- daily basis in the vessel's club with doc already. I didn't really wonderful room for those. That haven't been the vessels club has one of the great one of the great eight racetrack dining room scenes out there. I want to mention something to Pete that they did a good job by Orlando and the and the team because Danny Chevenez who finished you know I think the eighth or ninth Shabazz was ninth however he he gets a prize for the most churn I love the most money wagered in in the and that's terrific. That's terrific little wrinkle to give somebody you know the nod and a nice prize for having the journ love that idea we had a churn contact when we did the first of the world horse players tour events out at Santa Anita and I think I don't think we came up with the idea I think we probably stole it from Nate Newbie. UB So many of the good innovations in contests play come right from Santa Anita and big part of that is having guys like Tom Quigley and the newbie accomplished contest players themselves running the show they come up with good ideas like that that are that I mean it's to me. It's just the perfect combination of rewarding people who fire which is good for players and it's obviously also good for the house just to encourage people to really put that money through and not necessarily just sit on the bank roll and make their minimum giving people a little bit more of an economic incentive to be aggressive and something I'd like to see more of the contest where I'm and I'm glad to see La Salle picking up on it well you mentioned mentioned they and the team swings into action tomorrow of course with opening day but doc contest wise Saturday and Sunday to each at Santa Anita Staff Anita long market leaders news and great opportunity terrific day at the races and one of the best things about contests anthony days the hospitality nate and Tiki when the team do a great job of taking care players so I I mean. I wish I could get out for it it. This is one of those weeks where you know. Sometimes I talked about wanting to be in two places the one thing I really kind of want to be in in about four places at once and just to give you the rundown on it. It's the on the twenty eighth on Saturday the three two thousand dollar winning you're in challenge and then on Sunday the five hundred dollar opening weekend challenge estimated price value for Saturday eighty seven thousand was and and for Sunday's forty one thousand and you don't have to wait too long until the next opportunity out of Santa Anita towards the end of October October they're doing and this is a terrific idea the five hundred dollar last chance BBC BBC contest cell and then of course they've got their low rollers as well so if you are a conscious player Anthony to one of the best places probably the best place to habits home track. All Things considered what else you got pete for the week pass than the weekend ahead anything you see I wrote an article. I thought you might get a kick out out of about how yoga has helped with my horse playing. I wrote that for our friends over at at brisk that DOT com. It's a sort word of a it's been really fun. Jim Hill has allowed me to access this other club in my bag of writing these sort of personal essays if you will about my time at the track so I got I got to talk about some of the great some of the great meltdowns I've seen at the racetrack and even one or two I almost participated participated in and was able to keep my act together with just doing some some simple breathing exercises and then more seriously just getting to talk about for a horse player and and keeping I'm trying to keep that balance and not get too wrapped up in the moment in a game where we often lose win or lose by just thin margins is trying to keep the mind on the bigger on the bigger picture it was it was a really fun piece to write and I look forward hopefully doing more of that type of work over there for the the brisk snapped up betting guide and over on the website as well nice and that part of the game and it doesn't it it cuts across a wide swath of not just horseplay but any really any endeavor that is testing being mind and and the emotional most frequently I've had that conversation with Christian hellmers and with that you know unusual and kind of so teric mental mental aspect but it it it's very under under appreciated and under address and and that is keeping keeping your emotions in check and you know being able to either turn the page or or not get too too high and we basically it's not too high not get too low don't get flustered and and you know all of that so decisions instead of outcome that type of things I think I think for Christian it comes pretty easily. 'cause I'm not sure he has emotions well aliens. That's why they probaly. We try to figure out you know that that's what's going on in area fifty one eh people people disappear from burning man every year for that reason they get whisked away to to to Mexico amazing in concept terms we should plug we should plug the team keeneland context October Twelfth and Thirteenth. We've got they've got the they're the they're doing a similar format with a bigger a bigger money event I think at Keeneland it's the reverse of smaller money event is the Saturday and then the big money event is on Sunday. I'm going to be down and keenly for opening weekend so I'm not unfortunately unfortunately going to get to be there. I love to go for the contest weekend too but it is another excellent opportunity to win your way in to the Breeders Cup contents but not just that there's plenty of cash available as well and right hand in hand with Santa Anita in terms of hospitality. Jim Goodman in the team at keeneland do absolutely fantastic job without one. It's another one that folks that's worth driving a quite a long way to get to and they do the other thing about that. Contest the big one there they do sell out so players should if you wanna get there you gotta start making your plans. Now can reach out to Jim Goodman and he'll get your sorted out out but it's I mean keeneland chemo in spring and fall. It's one of those places I I ever since going back for the Breeders Cup have set to myself. I don't WanNa Miss It me here and I've been fortunate I actually I did miss. I did miss last year's fall. 'cause I had the trip to for the Breeders Cup coming right after it so I haven't been completely true my word but other than that I've been there for at least a weekend and it's just one of my favorite places in racing one of the great temples of the sport and an a mecca the contest players as well well and four on Saturday the twelfth and eight on on Sunday the thirteenth so a very big opportunity and there's also that same weekend on I know online horse journeys on that Saturday they've got one for anyone that has not one but entry restricted is something you you get some nice restricted company opportunities well. There's the ones that they'll be the one on later on to for those that have never that have never been hce that kind of thing and and here's one if you haven't yet gotten your your I seat for for next year and then you can participate so restricted company. It's it's sort of like the daily rose for those not wanNA sweepstakes the calendar year same here you gotta take advantage of the calendar and you can find it over at the NPR a website and be aware be aware of everything coming up. You don't WanNa miss a trick and miss the opportunity of you know. You're going to be playing an online qualifiers. You might as well play in the one that that favor you and it's a great opportunity to do so and you can find it all over on the website at the Dot Com national players championship beat have a terrific weekend and there'll be a lot to digest when we convene next week I can't wait. We're GONNA really we start the. I mean it's it's it's ramping up by the day the Breeders Cup fever and we're going to have a lot more relevant data points talk about them and everything going on contest tests wives from Santa Anita and around the country next week now and on that topic and certainly tomorrow when we talked jape ribbon and Dave Greg the racing form their Breeders Cup section opened yesterday with a series of articles as well L. as the grid that each of the each of the correspondence create and track the horses purses so if you're looking for the comprehensive list of of working probables the place to go and Steve Anderson Actually wrote a very interesting note to the to the turf and Steve always has the turf racing among the typically the Philly and mayor and the and the mile and after because of his international interests and he he's got the the story with with Chad Brown that bricks and mortar very well may angle to the the mile and Jadan and south climate monitoring that as an interesting interesting wrinkle to the start of the coverage at the dot Com and Mardi actually when we talked to Mari we'll talk to him tomorrow as well so Marty Greg and Jay Preben and we'll begin to cycle in we'll get everybody that is is covering all the races and that that's been a very fruitful approach the last several years let's take a break Dick Powell's GonNa Swing in and we'll talk Hong Kong and what went on Friday night into Saturday morning and what lies ahead as well H. 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Dick Powell joins US and coming off of the Early Action Chatan last week deck morning Steve I just went out and sat in my car and listen to you on Cari because that would love and yeah so back in the house ready to go excellent we had yeah we had racing shot ten over the weekend and and there's this weird trend that's developed. we talk about a little bit last week was shot as a as an all weather track and last week they ran three races and everyone when gates wire now the week before the last race went gate to why so that's four zero and then there was a second place horse that wood stalk second and then got to win. I don't Oh campaign so the last five all weather races shotton base over to raise cards were dominated by run torsten then I'd want well what you know what if the favorites that make the park while Saturday we saw seventy four dollar horse when the first hallway raise the daily show and then forty two dollars for us with our old friend Matthew Coon who brought in a lot among shots towards the end of last season he pardon forty two dollars to Jimmy Tang on the all weather going Ghaith wire and then care if teething one the ninth rates on the or whether as the favorite the only tonight and so that's an amazing trend on the all weather a shot just go to the front and dominate Khanate we'll we'll keep track of that. We'll keep looking around but shot in ten races and the the story of the night with Carris Keaton Eaton had a winner in the third race and he's got an officer Kayeli slow start going into this year's media we had thanks see you only had a couple of winners going into last week too and then suddenly on Saturday he calls them five one because he winds up winning winning races seven eight nine and ten eleven to one nine and sixty two one on favourite six eighty and then a twelve to one so just all of a sudden who from Mauritius is that how you pronounce the island off the coast of Africa or more or less yeah yeah. He's he's from there and he wrote very well last year at Hong Kong South Park quiet in those funny. I threw in a five bag. He's only when you have five beggar at Haagen. Sack firm Joe Moreira team gets back into the jockeys rights many followed that up on and what we last night so it's just complete that Happy Valley and that was an interesting cargoes another another card with only one phase of glinting now. This was kind of a form for car that just finished we had a fifteen dollar six forty eleven dollars twelve sixty seven dollars second choice ten forty eight hundred twenty forty two dollar bomb and then eight twenty excited they want as long as one's war on Saturday shot too but only one favorite one so in the last twenty races that Hong Kong was only two days it's Cohen and but I like how to the single digit Taipan sources of doing well not just what you know what his favorite in horses that are impossible to come up with and then when you get these eight to one ten to one shots that was a that was a playable those searchable and Nice Nice Mix at Happy Valley last night. John Mara was the lighting story with three wins rookie you at two wins and the trainer's the job now with the leading rider with twelve wins Zach. Pardon has nine and then Peter Hall has four Chad Scofield Bill and then casting with a five bagger last weekend. He's now up to eight so he's not a third leading writer and Hong Kong the Trina China's Tony Danny shown friend Francis. We all have seven no real changes. They have Doug like shut out so the a week a couple of guys wound up in the three so racing to be getting underway now hints the curb. I got up this morning and I can't find the fog. I'd usually the guys available six o'clock in the morning our time and then I downloaded printed out still working on the next day's races which is usually next Sunday but there is no Sunday racing at shotton this weekend. The next race card is going to be Tuesday and there's also no happy valley next week so the way the race cars have worked out way to schedule was worked out we have racing Tuesday at shotton and then grazing on Sunday October. The sexy shots for the next two cards are shot left him no racing this weekend and by Tuesday card and we'll have to clean stake races including the return current two times a year beauty generation who's GonNa be in the Celebration Cup handicap going seven thirty one. They'll probably Elisabeth Elisabeth highway that is not so much how much he's going to carry it. How big spread is going to be between him and the other content of the rights generation resuming resuming his season is one nine straight races? He's obviously being pointed for the lawn gene smile and December one of the big graces of the international testable that they have them early December and he worked the other day with horse name Arrow who John on more. It's very high on and they they work. Five fifty seven point eight two they were moving right along and boy said some interesting stuff the the thing I wanna see most of him winning abroad so I'm not sure what happened because not getting along so we ask the fact that it would be a sweet thing seeing him winning abroad especially a race like in new by now we by. They used to call it the duty free. I think it's not call Dubai TERP. It's a mile and eight to one term milem it 'cause similar to Woodbine long run down the doctor. He's used to running right in but I don't think that'll the initial so I think the nine falling within the scope and he's one of the highest rated horses in the world in Hong Kong so we get to see him coming up and another week and that should be fun missing him and then see where he goes from. They'll probably have another prep right to launch mile but there's there was there was a lot of Nice coverage this week. Hot Kong both the both from the the twitter feed but I saw from the South China Morning Post the the blurb comments from from job more and more Moore was quoted as saying it wouldn't be it wouldn't be the worst thing ever a disaster if he got beat you know he's not afraid he's not afraid of of having the the win streak broken so he he's you know he's got the bigger the bigger picture feature the bigger you know the big things down the road really focus so and the same at thorough who is very very high on kind of the sprinter than anything and he'll have a race coming up at once again. It's a prep for something else so it's not Orlando to win. That's not all to be a hundred cents for that race. It's a big picture type. Thing and more was very candidate in the comments. That's just reference what a bit of changing the schedule when I finally figured it out I at least stop checking every five minutes to see the form guidance up. I'm sure it'll be up the relation Tuesday maybe Saturday it'll be available and then I spent some time looking at the car. Nods we talked about last last week. The yes there is no money line but you can go to Hong Kong H K JC DOT com and then click on current odd and get the the actual odds for all this not just the next race and look at this morning before the nitrites run and looking the they give you the win odds. Give the place to give you all the pool totals everything else and you can do that twenty four hours before the rights of the stock so next Tuesday. If you WANNA check Monday night before you go to bed or whatever you WanNa do you get the actual update on real time and as we see in Derby and things like that racist big pools. There's not a lot of volatility. They kind of stay steady. 'cause there's so much money. Liam takes a lot of money to really move them. Some the odds Kinda hold up and they give you a little indicate about forces odds of changed significantly in the bedding and it's. It's just a fantastic tool here. It's it's better than an opinion of the morning line and factually of you know objective type data that they're providing played so that's something well worth using a nice feature that not not quite sure why it's not available all over the place difficult now. They know they've got they've they've got has many angles covered as possible and the the information that the offer I mean that's it's second-to-none deck appreciate it and next week. I think obviously there's nothing really happening. We might we might just do a a little quick. Check or maybe marry the two visits so we'll talk next week. Okay good actually appreciate it Dick Powell everybody. HK JC racing think on your twitter H. J. C. Dot Com quiet week. 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Natalie Voss Interview - January 16th, 2021

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Natalie Voss Interview - January 16th, 2021

"Natalie voss who is the editor in chief of the pollack report won her second and third eclipse awards this year becoming the first individual to win to writing award categories in the same year since the late bill neck. Who pulled off the feet in. Nineteen ninety-one both winning pieces. Pertain to thoroughbred aftercare an issue very much on the minds of many these days in something natalie is extremely passionate about and natalie is with me now here on the horse racing radio network natalie. Good morning and congratulations. good morning. Thank you mike. It's it's i still can hardly believe that it's happened. Yeah you had a quote in an article that was published afterwards on the pollack report and your quote was. I never could have imagined this happening. In my wildest dreams it is a tremendous honor to just win one award but to win to in one year is unfathomable and i thought that was a great word to use because it truly is. What was it about these two pieces. You feel resonated with the judges. Well i think you know. There's in the to writing categories one category for features and. There's fine for news or enterprise. Reporting and i think in the case of the feature story was just A compelling improbable sort of story. I don't mean that as a reflection on my own writing but put the events that took place Reuniting a exercise rider with her favorite horse that she had broken yearling and written is a two year old he sort of gotten lost to the ether and she had found him again. thinks the of other people in his life that she didn't even who she didn't even know before So i tend to think. That was. Probably just such an incredible sequence of events that i would imagine that. Sit out well with the judges And in the other category The the winning entry was a three part series on aftercare And i i like to think that that was a pretty dense subjects. That i think dissect it as well as i could And that tends to do well in the inner price category if you can if you can make sense of something And and find solutions potential solutions. And i i think that tends to go well so i think that that might have been what appealed to them. You know people will read these these pieces and they will think okay. Well natalie's a great writer and she just has a way with words and she just puts these things together and puts them out there on pollick report and all of a sudden. They're winning awards natalie. It's not that easy. I know from putting together our race broadcast that you spend far more time far more Effort in research and all of those types of things before you even go air. The airport is the easy part for us. And i would imagine the writing. Part is the easy part for you. Talk about the preparation that goes into putting pieces like this together. Yeah so you know. Particularly for investigative reporting which is most of what i do and i would put the the after here series in that category. It's a lot of talking to people. digging up whatever kinds of records or statistics. You can find ahead of ahead of talking to people. Usually they'll the people you talk to warn she towards resources you'll have to go back to the drawing board research wise and then the the writing process for anything complicated is is a multi draft process the organization Both eclipse award pieces. This year was a challenge because there was a lot of information packed into each one and there is a lot of timelines that had to be sorted out in the case of the feature categories. So it's a lot of back and forth with Our publisher pollock My husband joe bloodstock editor is also really good person to sit down with the story off of so there's kind of multiple tracks in that process and then you know raise is really careful about the fact checking process in addition to my own fact checking of myself as as much as i can do it and we go back and forth on a lot of things and you know this. Is this statistic where the piece of information is not gonna make it unless we're absolutely sure about it and so it's it's it's the it's weeks a research and then it's several days second forth once you have the first draft to try to get it where it needs to be before. It publishes so yeah. There's it's a little duck like you know there's thing you see and there's all the work going on underneath the surface that that makes it happen. I mentioned earlier. That after care is subject that is near and dear to so many people's hearts in our industry and it's it's something that when people start getting involved with aftercare even if they haven't been prior it becomes a passion and it becomes all consuming. So why natalie is after care so important to you well i. I really came to horse racing. Because i love horses Which sounds a little simplistic. But i think that you know some people come to it for you. Know the friends and family kind of atmosphere we're aspect and some people really get into the wagering side and then you end up loving other pieces of the sport but the the thing that started you usually the thing that you say sort of most true to throughout your time interacting with the sport and for me it was always the horse itself and so of course you know that created a a great deal of care for me as to what happens to them when they leave the track but it was also you know kind of appealing aspects. Because that was how. I could get close to a racehorse when i was i. Starting in the industry you could work with retired racehorses and you could learn kind of with them when you may not be prepared to go to a racetrack and get a job you know on the backstretch so a way to get close to them but way to get other people close to them and and get them to understand that. It's a magic couple of horse. Because i think that that's a good thing for our industry to sit to help other people fall in love with the animal because that really is the start of everything for us as a sport. What did you learn in putting these pieces together. That maybe surprised you that something that you weren't necessarily expecting to learn maybe off guard a little bit. Well i think. In the case that the fisher story it was It was sort of surprising from the beginning. Just to hear the improbability of the sequence of events that led to a really good ending because a lot of times because i do investigative reporting are coming to me when the story has not turned out. Well and so hearing the dedication of the people involved in the sources life And and that they were successful and putting him in the best possible place that he could be. A part of retirement was really not necessarily a new thing to have learned but a really Refreshing perspective for me. Because it's it's not something. It's something that a lot of people want to have happen for the horse in their life but it doesn't happen as often as it should In the case of the three part series. I think that the the biggest takeaway for me was just you know the volume of forces that we have retiring every year or whether we think we have retire every we don't track them as well as we could or should but it would seem If you sort of translate numbers from an australian study see the us population we probably have about eighteen thousand horses leaving the track each year and some of those will go to breeding. We think probably about a third of retiring horses go to breeding. But i mean the number of remaining horses even after you take that out of the equation is bigger than i would have thought it was. I knew that it was a big challenge to find places for all these sources to go. But i don't think that i realized the scope of the problem before i started diving in on this and that's pretty sobering talking with three time eclipse award winner. Natalie voss here on the horse racing radio network natalie kind of playing off of what you just said is our industry. What is our industry doing well when it comes to after care and what can it do better so i think that we've come a really long way. In the last ten years it's particular We created the infrastructure of ta with Nonprofit facilities that retrain and adopt and retire horses. And that is fantastic. That was something that was much needed. And you know as time goes on it just continues to be obvious how important it is to have an accreditation mechanism And i think that the retired racehorse project makeover The thurber program from the jockey club are all really really good. Advances towards getting riding horse people. Four horse people like myself I have an amateur writer but getting amateur writers and professional rider and other disciplines to think about thoroughbreds as as being an option for them. I think that those efforts are going really really well and has made an enormous difference I think that we still. I think that there may be a tendency in the reason that i wanted to write the series. Was we see a lot of buzz about those programs. It'd be think okay. We've got this problem solved for good. But in reality the the funding has not grown for the ta was originally meant to be a funding mechanism as well as an accreditation him. And you know. They still distribute a large amount of money each year but the number of facilities. They're crediting is growing faster than their budgets. And that's reflective of how i think in general giving to aftercare has grown as the infrastructure has grown. And that's a bit of a problem. Also have i touched off in the piece there. They're still an issue with flutter pipeline. And we're not doing very much at all to address that really so that you know that could come back to bite us from a public relations perspective at some point so we're definitely doing really well in some ways so we we shouldn't get complacent and assumed that the whole thing is now natalie voss editor in chief of the pollack report again To eclipse awards which you will be receiving on january twenty eighth this year. They are her second and third. It's a feat that has only been pulled off one other time by the late bill. Mack in nineteen ninety-one and Natalie that's that's unbelievable company. And i know that you have to be very proud and you should be very proud. Where can people go read. These two pieces. Well i think if you find the announcement on the pollack report about the About the to writing words. He's got links in there to the winning entries. that's probably the easiest way to find them all right. Well there you have it natalie. Listen to appreciate the visit. congratulations again. Well deserved enjoy that special night. On january twenty eight. Are you going to be able to to be at spendthrift or is this all going to be done. Virtually i'm not sure how they're doing it for the The winners that are announced the night of but My part will just be done virtually built. They'll have a little video package. They'll play and i'll be able to to watch it from home my job which is just fine with me. Yeah perfect well. Listen to appreciate the visit this morning and All the best moving forward. Keep up the wonderful work. Natalie and appreciate you being here with me absolutely thanks much.

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Part2: Tony Black, Nick Luck, Steve Haskin

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:59:13 hr | 1 year ago

Part2: Tony Black, Nick Luck, Steve Haskin

"Yeah a little bit later right now. Toady black is gonNA join US Tony Good Morning Good Morning Steve. I've missed you the last few more than they do. or my white takes a car with serious and my iphone is connected in so I I wished I've heard showed I had an agent. one year tricky Dick Fisher. He loves show and they were really close tricky since passed away but she'll go to interesting guy. I good horseman old school. Does everything the way it's supposed to be done in here. I'm an interview with him. I was at one a few races with then he put me you want the keystone and when I had Turkey Dick Fisher and watch for just a great guy and I think I think you've probably followed shook once or twice before and we've mentioned that the that you want to a racer to to forum over the years the very cool regarding your phone tony the try again go to the website and the link has has changed the the address that the stream company uses for us. It changed so you've got to you've got to get the new address a and they did put a new dialogue in on the listen section so I think everybody as of yesterday should should be squared away on their on their particularly on the iphone. The iphone seem to be the last group that was having any issue so so try it again later. I will have the IPHONE and if I can't do it because I'm not real high tech. I'll get my eleven year old son to do it. They know all about about but I'll try to do it as soon as I get because I enjoy listening yesterday I couldn't come listen. Ti with North Jersey fighting here what was going on back to family few moons of your been running just got back on the racetrack got on Rio gone for I think this morning and got the last one I says you know what for Richie Bega as do the home but all this Jacuzzi really on Raymond that means in Juvie outrage right I said about asked John. They got me speaking just good Spanish now teaching me I speak a little Greek a little Spanish and English. I love it well. Tonia I gotta get your input on what transpired Saturday in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and and I should and I touched on it at the beginning of the conversation about code of honor. It isn't so much that there that there was a a disqualification to me the surprise was that they actually went ahead and acknowledged that kind of a herding Ding incident when in New York for years this this is kind of been allowed and people see it and say it's inappropriate three and why aren't they calling these and then when they called it people were outraged explain first of all what's happening when when a horses versus caring you to two and a half three paths like that well you know the person that's controlling the situation of course is the horse that doing carrying out hurting I was known to be a writer that might do that on occasion I can remember one race in particular and and it was in New York it was all my Juliet and you know that leaving the Gate Change Positions Cordero and I around the turn you know when he wanted to be an inside of course not gonNa let somebody through that was really when you it was almost on on written rule. You're not GonNa let somebody on the insects even if defenses where you WANNA billion they'll come around you around the dern and he'd done from the five fifteen taint dope poll to the quarter pole when they come around you. You're going to hedge them out. When you get to that at a stretch of course you WANNA do the amount of hurting hurting to the point where now it's just about over and you don't WanNa be the insiders that initiate heart contact to the outside when they come to the straight straight of the you know it's the Corvo three sixteenths ball because the purpose of this is everybody says well? You lose growl when you're doing stuff like that. I know what you're doing. Is You're letting your the inside horse. carry the horse to the outside of you out and you both losing some ground of course but you know where you're going and where you're gonNA stop and he has to guess how far out you're going to go and we're going to stop so he's writing his voice out at the point of the elbow times instead of like Cara. Keep going out further and further you stop going out and at the point of the elbow Obo especially if you're strange changes. Let's say it's just around the three sixteenth four area where you stray now. You'll let your horse change. You might even bounce your let your horse kind of sway in a couple with civil horse now when you're worse comes in that couple with a horse that outside or doesn't know Oh that you're going to come in and mmediately at that particular point of the elbow. He's still out there so it is hurting but it can be done in a way that doesn't always cross the line what does cross the line is at that point of the elbow. When you straighten out you still going out a little bit and and you actually cause some contact especially if it's hard contact to the outside or then you gotTa Alvarado got getting taken down? If it's just that a gradual movement out your chances are you'll get away with it. I can remember when we were New York at the Vosper. Angel Good Darrow Crane Claims Sal were similar incident. There was no hard contact but it was gradual movement out and I left him out there and drop back. NFL though he claimed how they left by number of but they did take him down on both Forbes because he bothered horse leaving the gate so it was one of those situations sometimes they don't call it and act on it at the stewarts this particular incident you know I made a statement. Even you know what it's New York. It's a good call would've gotten a call it the same way and other places. Maybe not maybe so you know it was close and a top decision wasn't real black and white you know it had some gray area to the stuarts all if they left it up. We're going to be criticized. I take it down to be criticized. It's that's just the type of incident it is. the only thing that makes like I say an incident like that. Being half fluted Braxton is it that Al when they straighten out there still about with movement of the inside West and it causes some kind of hard contact or what appears to be contact Don Tony when it comes to groups of stewards and and changes I mean when you ride in one jurisdiction for a period of time I how quickly can you assess what you can get away with and and what they what they're allowing it what they're not and explain circumstances when stewards tried to put their foot down if they see habits and practices actresses being developed that they want to put the brakes on You know what riders get pretty aware of how Stewart's decisions are made especially this Dan because you're there in the Jackson. You're watching races on the monitor all over the country. If you're writing a proxy watching New York races you know not nothing it's not viewed by the jockey now when you're at that racetrack and you're riding on a daily basis of course you're going to be very aware how the Stewart that and in some cases you know there are inconsistencies in their in their decisions. you know you'll see an incident and somebody who get away with it and if how do you get away with that yeah well. No the Horse Saudi bothered was early stages of the race you want easy or he didn't drop anybody. They had some disqualification ah parks and I think what really prompted Stuart's to take off of. What did I switched the order finish it wasn't there was a double disqualification occasion? I believe on Tuesday. I didn't see it but I was told about it was told to me that there was a double disqualification in a race at parx on Tuesday and the the it was I think it might have been even the gate I should have looked listened to you today how to go back and look at this but in a way I think there comes a time in the decisions of the stewardess with as a lesson talking to you guys in the room at the movies isn't working working. You know warnings are not working. We're GONNA get very proactive in taking riders down. Mondays aren't following what we expect them to do. You know they're overdoing it but you know in those cases where they all of a sudden start taking riders. Here's Dr Horses Down and you know penalizing owners. That's the whole thing you're penalize right but you're really penalizing or so but when they do that that they get criticized because you vowed that to go on you. Let go on and all of a sudden now you're acting on. It and I guess there gets the point with Stewart which maybe this was some of the case in New York where they say you. We've kind of allowed too much leeway here. We're we're going to stop it. It's getting to be a dangerous situation. You know it's getting a little out of hand. Riders are taking advantage of leniency in other decisions and were stopping it now. It's come to an end guys so straighten up. Don't push the envelope. Make sure whatever you do it still within the rules of racing. Don't push guys and everyone's allow you know you'll get a meeting up into Jackson with lesson. We saw this this. You know we're we're. We're not allowing us to go on. You got to keep them a little straighter. Stop pushing the envelope and and straighten up up and if you don't heed the warning you'll watch the races you won't be what riding one of the things that I've discussed discussed with with meg and he was working with the young riders don't policing the room and using film patrol and looked and so forth the school sessions it just it doesn't seem like like the stewards have that Interactive Direction as much as they used to as much as they used to is really good way and letting I can remember even being keystone and different jobs in Jersey and there would be at least once a week a meeting of all of the young riders whole and you generally be announced. It's still it's you know almost be a schooling session. They would cite things have happened during the week or in the bath and they say that's cutting it close here and there would be more interaction between the stuarts especially the younger riders and then they would have a few older riders journeyman that would express their opinion and and give heads up to these kids that are just really out there learning what they can do or what they shouldn't do and it was a weekly thing I can remember when sample meat is junior implemented that and he was one of the three stewards and the good thing about it was and it other an in a AH jocks rooms and jurisdictions you know there would be a steward there that were meant this process of having almost like schooling meeting once a week and and it was really good if one of the three stewards are conducting this beating was you know inexperienced jock you know because because it just seems like if you have a like an experienced jockey one of being a stewart gets every riders attention because that Jackie Rocky can say to these stores listen I mean to these other riders especially younger ones over one. I've been out there a knew what you were thinking I read the play I done and I got away with it. I didn't realize at times and didn't get away with it. Don't sit here and give me your story. You know look at it with a with an honest realistic view. We're not here to give out days. We're here to teach young kids what to do or what not to do so. Let's have a of an in a discussion that's realistic not peeing in my ear and tell me it's raining outside. You know what I you mean tells me what's really all what you really think of this incident and don't whitewash it. It's wrong. Don't do it. Hell these kids teach them but then you know what you need a job through and I'm not criticize anyone gesture particular yep junkies in Jackson where there are couple older riders I remember when I was up in jobs room in a daily basis and would-be Joe Hampshire Molina downy black Harry they would be there and we'd be up there and we would almost on a daily basis if necessary have a a discussion kit do something out on the racetrack listen you ran is Iran in a spot. That's not usually really going to be the right start to run into a change lead going into three eighth foal instead of running halfway up the vast on his heels or else go around him but you know you got the whole turn to find some room to go in the latter stages your race don't do two three four dreaded sneak through most of the time you not WanNa get got through at that particular time and you will teach them in that respect you know you did I get now and you're hitting. You must come on get realistic. Thank you can't do that and we would talk to these guys now every jobs will you know it's not GonNa always have a journeyman amen or group of journeymen out there that are number one either interested in helping them get or even are out there and that's their way of doing things helping an a kid learn his straight. You know it it's it was just almost like when I was a kid knows guys like water below Chris. We're hunters garth patterns Billy tichenor you know and Barry perfectly was one out and grab. Ya You know I the number Chris Rogers said one day the kids cigarette hanging out of his mouth. We're at Liberty Bell then right pretty good race but you look like net the coachman. I'M GONNA teach US settle that kind of thing. 'cause you sit like when you're driving a stage and they can never get. I just got a kid kid but Yoni hope that a room has some journeymen in it that have that mentality -ality in that interest in teaching a kid and then you also have to hope that the kid that they would like to teach is receptive into their comments. I can remember man grim come up to me Phil Grim and he says Roy about how would you gone. They were just classical writers. You you know they had not experienced all over the country and races and they would come they would take you and he says you know next time you ride a horse. That's heavy headed like that. Grab your iron stopped rate jacking up there. You're riding too short that kind of thing and you get this Roy like to do that. We'll watch it when you're walking back one Monday because you do it enough you won't be you'll be walking back. You know that GonNa be but if you were kids Syria Sir I understand Dan. Thank you help me. Tell me whatever you want you and that's the way it was but I don't know how all the judgments are. I'm sure there are some like that and I'm sure there's a lot that aren't aren't like that. It's just hard for it's hard for us to know from afar as horse players at just watching you know this fold and then you're only going to in this particular case in New York. Now you're going to be watching you know people were were right so fitting that that decision against you know the summer incidence at Saratoga and then some other incidents instead of been notable in recent memory so now you know it becomes a question of seeing if there's going to be a consistent application of that standard and that's you know that's all do it. It's one of those. It's one of those unusual unusual. One of the unusual elements of the game in general is just that how how the the stewards the the mentality at a moment to moment and and if they're trying to exert some influence if if what exactly happens that's crossing a line from no calls to disqualifications that that's the tough part of this right when they say well there are inconsistent. You know you know what consistency is Stewart's. It's kind of a real touchy subject because you've touched on things you know where are they just going far enough and they think it's getting out of hand and then they put their foot down. you know and and young kids ain't learning and so many times the stewards are really teaching teaching kick wedding. Get along reading get away with not get away with either by calling them in and warning. 'em The next day or by penalizing taking him down. I'll or Stewart's you're penalizing jockeys and any 'cause you know try to leave the owners. who was if it's at all possible and you can say have you can seventy five percent justified even it up and then if you have to impede allies to writer you know given the three day suspension during watching the right do something like that? If it's at all possible where it's not a severe fraction you know could have gone either way. Take Lead the horse up. Take the rider in giving three days giving giving seven days. Give them a thousand dollar fine do something of that nature. 'cause you know my my heart goes out to these owners nursing Danny body north expensive proposition and it's hard to win a race. You know where's my run once every three weeks or at best and and have somebody from the hit the board doesn't hit the fort and win one race and then all of a sudden you take win away from me with John even if he gets seven days you get back on in seven days. He's going go to go out there every day and win a race that he rides and owner doesn't go out there every day with that or as an add the opportunity of winning so I'll let the four and maybe jockeys listening to be now. They bought black shores. eastern didn't do real but I like that I just feel like the right now. I just always felt like that. The owner puts a it's an it's an expensive proposition you know and of course I think it was expensive. Proposition job is to hit the ground with break bones for wow. I understand all aspects of it. I done it. All the ground and walked walked away. I've hit the ground how to ambulance writes back on the ground operation I understand but then I also understand Dalia riders where they can get carried away in and or over zealous and over competitive and aggressive and they they crossed the line. When you cross the line you get taken down every little apostol or got fined penalized rider days? That's the way I look at it and always get yeah. I was looking forward to this and up. You know what tomorrow I'll probably get rich as part of the the weekend the part of the weekend preview and get his thoughts it's too I think everybody more or less is on the same page Tony that they even the people who were very unhappy unhappy with the call. They're only complaint I think was this is usually not called. Why now that that's the that was the part of it and for me? It was the it was that same it was that same revelation because as I said well this is clearly this should be taken out but it won't be and then it was I that was like surprise again. Maybe we'll maybe you know and then it came down and yeah well you know what they had the right to take it down and and this is what they're going to be doing because they are trying to send a message you know it isn't going to keep going like this because once it goes this level that might go to the next level and the next level and then we have jocks hitting the ground but now baby that in that particular type of incident usually don't hit the ground you know but you know maybe they'll be consistent and that has sent a message that hopefully writers have received an Understan- now sometimes as little guys that are a little hard to understand what's going on. I've been one of those guys you know. When you do go to other racetracks you do have to watch races and sometimes gets paid back the one thing about jobs you go into one jogs rim a copy in Santa Anita? You've been writing Mama's park and I guarantee you walk into the room. You know somebody you know and they guy you can always talk doc. Get out that way. This is this is one of those areas that you just in different jurisdictions. Just you say that and it and it does it does bring up an important an element of this as we all remember. I brought this up already when Javier Castellano got taken down at Woodbine and everybody in New York said well. That's that's something that he gets away with as a matter might daily course in New York but in the northern dancer that year they weren't having any of it and you know what when Ajar goes to raise drag or whether it should be you ever the real professional you you know what he does. He goes out there and riders race. You know you can't go out parents. They watch us. I gotTA write this according to a New York style this this day and age according to Woodbine style known from you've got to go out there and ride it a lot of times when you ride more by what you instinctually feel and style with TJ orders most of the time you do a better job yeah some of the worst places I've red noise trying to follow absolute strategic specific orders and I ran against what I was feeling at the time I was trying to accommodate these specific you you know whether trainer owner or even if it's something I read the form and came up with when I went out. I'm not naming on drainers an owner state. You know there's no down you re funds at all. This is source boy. I'll be here. I'll be there you know because I know this course. It's going to be in front and you went out there and you wrote the race. According to the way the form looks like it was going to set up and sometimes you look like a real dummy. You got a rigid mindset Mazda time you ride right your best race is when you go with it and you go with what you instinctual who feel and how your horse is specifically reacting thing to what's going on around him. You're right better racist. When you go out there? You want to be here there boom Bam Bam. We're going to do it this specific right. Usually I'd like a net Tony. I appreciate this and wanted to spend significant time on it. Because is it was such a a big situation and important situated given you know give what was at stake a great one for both from these sources who ran a sale of a race and of course now we're GONNA go out there and and the two of them I think in a lot of ways said this to Shuki the you know the the two of them. I think are the principals going into this race and we'll see about the because McKenzie's McKinsey's issue seems to be that everybody's GonNa just wonder if if the mile and a quarter is is his trip so anyway we got plenty of time for that but I I appreciate this treat look thank you run run. One quick thought when I wrote for people people and there was one Bertrand always comes into mind and they really why because you know 'cause times where I talk about you really screwed this one up black you know back. You'd think it without boy I couldn't have wrote a worse race when I grow for waterways in. It seemed like no no matter what you did it was okay 'cause when I come back and say water man Dan. We should have won this when I really miss his his whole mindset in this verbiage back to me would be maybe you won't next time. Do you know what that does for Jock when you can ride and it's well yeah well maybe next time tone that gives you such a mindset that that freedom and not inhibited in any way that you go out there and usually you do more things right and wrong in the future but you take care Steve. Keep about the good work. You've been doing a lot right and I'm GonNa get this phone straight down. I miss you buddy. I appreciate she ate it and you'll be okay go to go to the listen. Live link and try that Lenka digitial should be squared away all right. Thank you Steve. You have a good day. Thanks for Oh you do my pleasure thank you we get just invaluable expertise from from Tony You the only building road thirty three thousand races so far we'll take a break bottom of the hour joining us next Nick Luck and we'll get I got a bunch of is dotted. 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You're good crowd say have anything to attract where where people have been so welcoming and friendly lovely day obviously something else we can as now. I'm a well-trained keenum well. I saw the the temperatures in fact even yesterday. The mid Atlantic was poor back up in the nineties so the the opportunity nick to kind of survey a bunch of different things at once with you before we talk the international action including the arc on Sunday some thoughts about what you've seen the last couple of two weeks of Philadelphia and then this past weekend across the country Churchill and Belmont than Santa Anita well you could say microcosm of the year coal really that Bates crazy funky results then great human interest stories than physical situations to deal with regulatory nightmare well the road to the classic can only become more more opaque I think and cars we have a math wizard win and then Mongolian Kareem upset Mckinsey and in New York again and there were one or two people on social media off the timing saying how proud of the results but thirty one to walk five. I think most people were surprised the fact that back out of the same claiming racist maximum security some sort of play within a play in this crazy year and then they would love to see any combat with an with another good host. I think he you want to do what he did even under even under on tactic ride for able to deal on this coming weekend then we have the drama of back to the Sun He wants to change it writer on the kingery triple crown winning partnership broken off and that was all in the in in the wake of the New York Times story sub so you felt with million in the program around the program on Saturday and then we have said that'd be door winning a fifth grade one of the great story. I'm about for a series of cut more. What's Your Department Park moving on each uh in addition to the maximum raising we had a situation was who the at another facility track happy put down yeah which is very conservative the tense atmosphere on factor on fingers crossed and regret from the line but the boxes Adele Mommy the with nickel influence of that nature a cop and now we are killing another weekend by the way Iraq? TQ In the club go cut those intended yeah but I mean that's just my mind a pistol competitive what most of the is true true and just had a fun discussion with our man. Tony Black Tony talk from jockey standpoint and shook was on earlier and you know it. It's funny. I don't think I don't think the first thing people thought about with the announcement yesterday of Code of honor participating in the in the classic was in fact partly that you should was taking into consideration that Baffert is going to be looking for a writer for Mackenzie and considering that Ev- Alaska's got the call on the on the two year olds on on Friday opening day seemed like shook was kind of acting quickly to to lock up Johnny. I thought that was notable. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I think if you'RE GONNA be you're intending to run in the classic news source path to declare your on our make your mind up trying to the treaty tickly. O.`Neil Surname is wasted. When I see your suggestion but I wanted to Kentucky action whether they had their own twenty twenty people who are key year he could probably do enough this chapter three year old man land of Crowning Victory Kaelin given the sake of the classic you'd be sitting together as the word Sane connection with with mine shaft in two thousand and two they all the way through the year? I probably would have been three year. We'll forget so I think I think you've got to strike while the except for the Q. I didn't think it was an egregious decision to us seem probable contentious decisions for the could either by the way which makes it thinks either come by the Russell Without the point collection of on question did he suffered uh-huh Monica place and I agree I mean I thought that he actually you know with the initial all the initial movement that he actually was in the process of going by when the when the incident began and actually actually had you know we did have as muzzle in front and then starts to get carried out carried out carried out and and I I if if Ortiz Ortiz puts away that left handed stick and corrects instead of going one more time left handed that probably would have alleviated it and and and then they could have just run to the wire and whoever gets down gets down but I think that I think he invited this frankly with those extra left hands yeah for the problem we took it out and then it doesn't matter whether you're in a category to ignore Kathy jurisdiction. I think you've got the American or European sorry I couldn't actually dividing actually strictly relevant unquestioning stay or in this country k. c. d. e. and GNA so I think the government will get talked with whether a junkie that will or should it should not yet a day. It's actually it's actually situates at the issue at hand which is is that the one to the other what it costs the welfare the the very coach and views that there should be global harmonisation shoveling along with erect New World War period I do feel at least they are. They are trying to compensate to be suffer. The benefits doubt to the the hid Pinga to word something in that there's something kind of restore about which I why does mine Nick Luck with US and obviously we'll spend time when we get to Santa Anita as always but nick This is a terrific weekend racing. Let's look ahead ahead to Sunday before I ask you about some horses in the first lady and in the Chadwell your your thoughts with one of the we potentially unforgettable moments in racing history available on Sunday morning I mean I there must be an inordinate amount of pressure on on a naval actions trying to do a trip to She's an astonishing and whether she brings her a game or something shy of it. She's far the way winning races John Gosden thing interesting said subcontinent injury route in the first part of luff season. She become quite accused insofar as that she just winning he be liking this what boxer winning on points rather than and you know devastating punctuation. She's just sitting by by now. She's just doing enough to get get races. One keep it up and leave and it's an interesting narrative of these. He's putting forward to show it's American decided counter to the to the to the argument that actually not quite two years ago but listen she cheat. She wants a good rate the crap well. I think what she does few from Ebay is a seasonal back because she got conditions positively sliding negative against their she's going to have to concede a bit of weight some pretty useful for you. I'll take you on slight people group before she'd be taking the fruit is in the right. I think she I think if she will I think it's Great Testament to the field training on her writer. He if I can be managing to win outstanding group in Grade One races great prestige I take the bottom out of the world doing which it is a pretty delicate balance. It certainly looking forward to enable on Sunday Day but we should mention the rest of that card is very notable. It's not the ARC does not stand alone on Sunday when you talk about the predisposed the Ferrari and and so much more right the the BOUSSAC etcetera. What else should we be watching for on Sunday? Oh goodness well. The Larry I think is is shaping up to be a great race. I'm I'm all excited by one back. Cash whenever we run and the thing about this he usually customer because he'd got blistering seem to be so blind breaking basis nine year old track record of your which marijuana but he's actually got amazing form that cutting the ground as well so I don't any rain could be seen him and I'd love to see him when he was shot outside. The Breeders Cup Trap Spring Training goes well whether it's funny that way in any of the other any other Breeders Cup type considerations on that on that card hard well they not not very whistles the guy come for the for the pitch a better idea of this weekend eighteen. He never quite sure he's GonNa Bring in so Saudi late day got the winner of the day because likely site. You'RE GONNA WANNA see probably higher packing more to the him. I'm just on that theme. I think diet. He wouldn't be the RUPF LAFI Kennedy she clerked for the Raiders Touchy Pink Hats I think she she pretty divided uh-huh when you know yeah that's the old right thing. Art should be watching some continue yeah well. Let's get a couple of thoughts particularly about the participants in the Shad Well Dick and to some degree the first lady because these two races could be as good as as anything we see Breeders Cup Day and I think we just may have lost a neck there. Ah Deja is that yeah. Did we lose neck. I heard a little all right. Try again and then we'll get to Steve asking but little of the international on Sunday you knew about you knew about the Ark but be aware of just the rest of that card terrific and then there's also actually I'm forgetting something. There's something locally as well for the for Decca. Gosh I've gotta go look through my is it. The sun chariot yeah the Sun Chariot as well tomorrow Saturday I should say the other one where Lawrence and voracious basis at Hermosa looked. There's actually a few horses a few others that that you're probably familiar with the international set but I do WANNA get. I WANNA try to get nick back quickly and because he only had he he didn't know they you should have trouble getting back yeah all right phone sort of right at the end there the phone was starting to go sideways sideways okay let give give this one more second and 'cause I wanna ask Van Beethoven the back in the US out of the Secretariat and Robin of Naven Venture for Charlie appleby and the boys in Blue Suede walk very nice way Doi- doesn't win a tremendous amounts way Doi- and we'll see if the if and if not no no got back all right good very good Dick you were was going sideways and then and then it was gone so all right now I'm here. I'm here very good and much clear again real quickly because I know you're tight this morning some thoughts about the shad well and the first first lady because these came up mind boggling mind-boggling in terms of anything could win all or mind-boggling mind-boggling in what way I would just fourteen for both of these races draw fourteen you know where where we've been having trouble you know you expect the group ones for this kind of money four hundred thousand and a million they're supposed to draw big fields and competitive fields but for whatever reason I it's been. It's been tough so this. Is You know this is like an embarrassment of riches but if you've if you've got a couple of real Dan sometimes getting the Classic Division Bite into that you're GONNA get a smallish field because people aren't going for euro-zone show but in in these in these divisions that probably a bit more plus certainly in the case of the shadow worlds mile. You know there's there's quite a lot of quite good grass miles but when you take out bricks and mortar there many great minds around so you can understand why people are having a guy who both give us a couple a couple of insights on on the invaders Harry Dunlap shows up with Robin David and venture for the boys in Blue van Beethoven back again after the very good try in in the secretariat but valid point the lightly raced Bob Edwards awards runner for Chad Brown. It's gotTa beat him. We've got invaders from California had really an interesting mix. Go to Franchi's challenges again hasn't he just because most the host of the home pretty export yes. I'm real old favorites in the race. You know zipping around for the years acquitting themselves great credit like visit Heroin Co as far as the European concerned Robin of nominees grand grand all he's been fantastic. money-spinner is a group one winner inaugurated the used to be. I think it would be a stretch his H. Plenty quick enough for him as well particularly if if they don't get any of the rain forecast over the weekend I think vintages the interesting one because he's on he's on the upgraded to interesting spot for him. He deserves a a slow in this sort of great. He's doing very well in France. I like to win trained him Charlie appleby having now now he strikes me so the host that that could could run quite well. I think you'll need it at a decent pace around this distant denial well here but he he be the most interesting for me of the European contenders but I think I think they've got shot to beat look at the the girls girls race to and Chad prominent as well in year with rushing fall Bob Edwards with a chance to sweep these two races his but the silica making a move by coming eastward and I also thought that awesome tank after her the disappointing effort the very disappointing effort in the Woodbine mile you know he gets back to two turns might be something that she prefers so any any any thing that grabbed you looking at this while won't grab me with having another go here with performance would by not only the the I. I'm pretty convinced that she's got talent figure in a race bike. If everything drops right for she's quite she's Steve Quite tenacious and and I think that I the fact that the fact they're willing to have another go suggest to me that that was just walking or running. Would I be interested in in using using her in my play for this race interesting. What about just wonderful turning? Oh Hello she's. She actually ran quite whether or not the last time when one there was a there was a brief moment where I thought he was GonNa win. The problem is I'm not sure that she either I either few there or she said that she just doesn't have the inclination to co by. I've got we've disgusted before she got so much ability and you she gets conditions because she definitely wants to ground on top but a bit like she's just to come disappointing sappointing tomato. She's going to be one of the best zero believes the season when she won back in the last year Roy Moore for the same I just she again again. She definitely got the ability she's definitely got the ability to figure but he's just the question whether she can get ahead down and and a client in the last hundred yards and it was the same story again. The stakes are shopping weekend nick before we go let me ask you about the hill prince too because Martin Schwartz has got his hands on Jean Claude rouget with Taos and shows up in the Hill Brinson this horse. We don't really know much about at all all to be honest with you Steve. I don't I've seen I've not seen him in action. I'm looking forward to this weekend. I'd be lying if I said I can. Shed any any any real life. I'm sorry to be completely blink useless but no I I think stand I can't really are currently at an awful lot of what you can see on the on the on the on the on the other than the fact that it shorts as agents that make too many too many errors when they brought from fraud well neck a lot to absorb in coming weeks the got the champion they as well coming up should be tremendous and we'll be looking forward. I'll be Belmont actually Saturday Saturday so you know kind of watching the monitors for the keeneland action and everybody else can watch on NBC as always I appreciate Yeah I just thought this. I'll just tell you what's happening with. NBC and on Saturday and then NBC on Sunday so it's an hour NBC ESN Saturday are often offending the on Sunday and it's four thirty eastern on Saturday. I'm pretty sure if I've got that wrong. I will let you know and correct you and I was saying I'm just doing. I'm choosing a series of interview show for Breeders Cup which will be airing in the two week run up to the separatist cop. We've filmed with Mike Smith and Richard Mandella Carla Gains Simon Callaghan and other synthetics last week and today we're filming filming with Jerry Bailey Kesennuma Graham motion so if you oil and other theory came and it should be fun excellent well Ashram Ocean about about the the the Irish war cry sister that is debuting Laurel. He tried to sneak that one in on Friday at the the two year old baby sister for Mrs Day Tomasso Deck. Thanks so much we'll talk before probably before champions champions but otherwise we'll see you at Santa Anita. Thanks they pick a always great nick lock. Everybody will stay right year because we obviously got a little delayed when we lost Nick for a couple of minutes Steve asking standing behind listening in and I'm sure enjoying nick locks visit as well Steve Good Morning Good Good Morning Steve. We've had a busy already busy couple of hours and gave us a really terrific perfect visit discussing the decision to put code of honor into the classic which I think really enhances the COP and people people were were complaining about the way the classic was tracking after Saturday a coat of honors participation lifts it up what did you think of the Jockey Club Gold Cup and the D. CQ and everything else well as far as as far as being the rate. I mean I think he makes the race. I mean I think he's he's the one the one glamour awards that you always need always like that especially. When you have a three year old was his kind of credentials Travis Winter I thought I thought the classic was not in good shape a AH until he came in with him in there? I think it boosts race quite a bit because there's so many question marks as far as the Gold Cup I don. I don't see I don't see any controversy at all to me. It was clear cut disqualification in my in my mind I mean I I don't I think the way I sort I don't think hurting had had anything to do with it. At all. I think he was disqualified because he bumped twice you you know when you think of when you think of hurting you think horse coming out and taking horses pass away and just keep moving out and moving them out and that horse shying away from him but here you I had to clear cut bumps and one of them was when he just when he got his head in front when it looked like he was going to win the race so when a Horse I bumps and other horse and he comes out for four or five pass any bumps another voice and you actually see separation between the two horses. You know it's it's fairly significant I mean I mean getting cream know the Jack Stop riding him no but he got beat an inch and a half and I I think I think those two bumps cost him. The race you know if if Veena Russia had won by two lengths the might have been the different story but when you're talking washes running forty miles an hour and they're completely outstretched and giving everything you have and then you get bumped and you get beat an inch to me that that's disqualification especially with Ortiz hitting him left-handed that way but I mean I saw uh no controversy in it at all. I thought it was a I thought it was a clear cut disqualification considering tomorrow into the race. I I agree I. I just was surprised that that they took them down. I it we've gotten so used to those kinds of circumstances being left alone. Don't it it I think that's I mean if people are if people were outraged quote unquote I it just because we we haven't typically seen them do this. I thought it was the right. Call myself too but I just I never expected them to do it. Well I mean I you know I even though you probably shouldn't look at it this way. I mean you know I think the race what race it was had something to do. It's a million dollars and you know you had you too big time stables there and you had a lot at stake for a million dollar purse and finish that close you know if it was the it was the ninth race and twenty thousand dollars claiming race. You know it might it might have been different but you know whether that's right or wrong. I don't know but all all I know is that we're looking at the head on the first time I saw it and I said I would definitely take the horse down. I was in both horses rain. Great Breakway Vino row in a row is a completely different order with the blinkers off and you know he he did something you'd never done before the owner to lead you know even though he did something he had never done before and obviously helped him on a lot of times Belmont Park when you get out on a lead and you're classy horse tough to catch but he just he just would not let yeah after the second bumping or maybe even after the first bumping he just would not let code of honor get by him just kept trying and trying and trying and AH listen. It's sight easy to take on solid you know he's a great one winning all the horse who's already got a great one win at Santa Anita now now the thing the thing that surprised me was actually running in the race because past history bill will Will Farish Venice position before with mineshaft after winning the Gold Cup and basically securing horse of the year and just saying I'm not going out to California and Shogo Shoghi not a big fan of going out to California did he did you know with. I'm not forgetting about easy goer and I'm not even talking about that because that's when the Gold Cup was in a mile and a half but when it was amount of quarter you know he went out there with minors mark who ended up twelfth race and Shug doesn't seem like you know the kind of trainer region conservative trainer later. It's not something that he normally would want to do but as you said this morning you know with the air online and look I think he's the one horse probably the only horse in the classic that could come out of that race as horse of the year. I don't Mckenzie won the race. I don't know if he's if if if he had done enough to get horses a year depending on what happens in the other races the Kennedy just lost too many races even though he probably should have one mile it was the best horse in that race but he had several several defeats and he's beaten at once to five but if Mackenzie were to win the classic Midnight Pizza Win. She's eight for ache. It's hard to deprive her. You have to consider her. If bricks and mortar wins the the mile he'd be six six with five grade. One wins even allies like Matola if he why wherever he goes if he goes into sprint or the dirt Mile Ohio it'd be six seven with four grade one wins. I mean you can make a case for any of those horses but if code of Honor Wins I mean to win in three consecutive grade one stakes at a mile and a quarter beating older horses twice travers Jockey Golca Breeders Cup Classic Basic and and and a second place finish in the Kentucky Derby so I mean those four incredible performances wants is going to mile and a quarter and beat older horses twice I think he would have I think he would have a tremendous shot at the year and that would be the main the reason for for trying because I know initially afterwards it we're talking about giving them arrest and bringing them back at at act like for the Carter and the Westchester durations like that so obviously they change their mind as shook said I think a big part of that was because of Johnny because once Mike Smith got taken off with Mackenzie and zero the logical choice would be Johnny Z who had one to grade once for Baffert last Friday so you would think he was going to try for Johnny Z so shook couldn't didn't keep them hanging because baffled odyssey would approach him and ask them to ride and then he'd be stuck because there's no way in the world is going to go off code of Honor I've remember too by the way if if coat of on it does win the classic not an easy thing to do I mean if if you go you know historically if you look at thirty five years of the Breeders Cup only three horses have won the Jockey Club Gold Cup and the Breeders Cup classic and All three are in the hall of fame and if you look at the three horses curl and skip away and cigar crawling Elon is the only three year old won both races and the year he wanted was in the slop in four of the top five bedding choices that year with three year olds. That's how bad had a year it was for for older horses so it's it's it's very difficult when you think about it for a three year old and for horses competed through the Derby trail and competed in Derby and then runs into drier and then runs into travers and then runs in the in the in the Gold Cup you know at the end end of the year to travel across country to beat older horses again going a mile and a quarter for the third time. It's not an easy task risk so what they ask him to do is not easy so if he did win it to me He'd be very deserving of the year I was. I was a little surprised that that that should be point. Blank said it as part of you know as part of the decision making process. He said you know we we would have a chance to be horse of the year eighty skipped right over. It's almost as if he assumed the three year old championship the subject Great yeah well. You know you know I I. I've heard people say that well. You know maximum security. You know beat him twice. He hasn't beaten twice. I mean if you go by disqualification so he didn't beat him twice. They wanted one so I mean it'd be like saying Vino Rosso beat the code of honor you know he was he finished ahead of him yeah but he did not beat him. Officially one for one and maximum security is that his second half of the year has been so totally messed up I mean he missed two big races. You know he was beating at one to a million at Momma's before he won the hats. Go listen. He's a horse that you wish we here 'cause he's another would be another glamorous but you know he misses the travers average any misses the Pennsylvania Derby and now he's basically run out of time so I just don't know I don't know if they would give a lot of people I'm really forgotten about him. As far as you know as far as the three zero so I mean it would be now horse and I think he would get preference over over him for sure I again. I think you can get preference for the year as well so we definitely would get preference for three year old well that sets us us up for the two of them for code of honor and Vino Rosso and I said to show Steve Part of it to that because he said you know with McKenzie being favored I I think he buys for favouritism with with code of honor right. I mean there's I do. I agree I agree. I don't think listen it's you know it's it's not like you've got a Santa. Anita betting crowd there. You've got people coming from everywhere so I think the people of banning all over the world and I think looking at the again the only reason the only reason if they're gonNA make Mackenzie favorite is that he's an old awards and again like I said before. I think the older horse has has an advantage. you know it's it's not easy for for three rolled you look at the racist the eastern horses that have gone out West to win the classic. They're all hard. Knock an older horses Mutuel Macho Man Fort Lauderdale than those kind of horses so I mean it's not a again. It's not an easy thing to do. That's why you have to give credit if he does go out there and when but McKenzie I I don't know what to make of him. I don't know I don't know if that was just a prep. Normally Bob Africa will likes to win these races basis. It's not like the sound like a horse like higher power who might be more of a horse to watch even than Mackenzie because return on wavy and Pratt before the race he said look whatever you do. Don't beat the source up. Don't don't beat him up to try to win the race. This is strictly prep race are big day as the year is the is the Breeders Cup and once that horse stumbled at the start of Pratt never really asked them to you know to gut him to train nine win that race. He just basically took it easy with them so you know he's a mystery horse because the defense always wonder as Mongolian groom was beaten unfairly soundly by higher power and classic so we really don't know how good high hours but throwing them out quarter for you know for a hard knock an older horse you know he might be as much of a danger of not more than than Mackenzie who still is unproven at amount of quarter but that doesn't mean the older horse to be still Silvino Rosso. I'd like I said I think I think he's just finding his best form. Now I throw out the I throw out the Whitney because he's opened three. It's our Toga. SIMILARS is just don't run well at Saratoga but he's got a he won a grade one over that racetrack I mean when do you ever see that. When you ever see each nurse I love to California for the breeze already won a grade one at Santa Anita you know and you he'd be gift box? At the time who was the dominant older horse at the you know having just beaten McKenzie in the sandy the handicapped when McCain's could not get by 'em so give Russia credit for going out there and winning that and and again he ran a tremendous race here doing something he probably doesn't want to do you know. He's more of a stalker so I think I think he's he's probably the old horse to be have not him. Maybe Higher Power Kinsey. I just don't know he's very talented and like I said he should have won the met mile but I just don't know what amount of quarter you know. It's a it's a question mark if he comes back and wins right be surprised absolutely not but now there'll be others I would look at ahead of him. We we've come to count on the topsy turvy to pull from stranger things the upside down. We we get one one result after another that that just and contributes to this and really you know we talked last week about what went on in Pennsylvania in the Derby with with with math wizard so we're we're gonNA bring together this group and it's granted. It's not gonna be size going to be the most August lineup in Breeders Cup Classic History but it's certainly GonNa be interesting well. Let's not forget about late. I mean that would add run code of honor. I would say that they would lean to listen. She's undefeated in a model she undefeated at a mile and a quarter but she's one all of amount of quarter races by by daylight alike Bhai anywhere from four to five six links and he's already shown that you know he hasn't been able to be it might be so just just like he was unable to be able able has been last year. I know I know she's got a nose fire but she clearly not racing and you would think that she would you know gone on to win there but midnight be Su quarter and wouldn't be so is not lost the race. So do you WanNa go up against her again or do you want to run run this philly at her best fish since now before code of honor came in. I'd say that was a good chance now. I don't know let's see how she does in the Spencer. I'm not going to be an easy spot either. I mean you got some really good old phillies in there and you've got done borrowed that we don't know how good she is. She's been extremely aggressive. You know you've got you've got the you've got the defending champion in the race in bloop rice and see if she can come back and you know there's some there's there's some nice hard knocking older fillies in there but it's the late wins that race and wins Winston Presley. I mean I might be inclined to try. I don't and how many horses it Bill Maher wants to run in there. He's got your Cedar. WHO's training up to the race but you know you're Cheetah is is closer who doesn't really close? Does I mean he always looks like he's closing but if you look at his racist and he finished the second and third in in the Whitney he made up only one length in the last day the mile and in in in the Woodward he actually lost three quarters of a length. He's just always visually looks like he's closing at a mile. He's running a couple of times at around on a quarter when he's running well enough but he hasn't won. He hasn't been in the money they were fourth and fifth or sixth or so not beaten badly but thinking he should like amount of quarter but again he's he. He's an unknown. We really don't know how powerful the last time you WanNa race was his first start ever on the dirt and that was was over a year ago then the other voice by the way and you know I I know people are GonNa say well yeah crazy forget about him already but I'll tell you one thing I would love to see tacitus acid is run in this race with the blinkers off again. I didn't like him with the blinkers on it all. I didn't like any of the two racist grand this is strictly a come from behind horse. I said the worst luck and not really he's not really his off. I mean he had a terrible trip double trip into wood memorial that he won banged around in that race and he had a terrible trip. He got bothered badly. I thought it's a quarter pole in the in the Kentucky Derby you'll his Belmont to me was three links the best in the Belmont stakes to amount of ground. He lost in the air. I don't think he'd get a good ride in Belmont. At all widen widen I turn widen the second turn Jim Dandy stumbles from the start at the at the start and still he's still right there makes it three three moves in that race and still runs big an traverse I mean he he's he's not a horse that wants to be on the lead. I mean to me he looked to came. Do head strong. I know a bill not said that he was more focused training with the blankets on but he might have been focused in the heat of competition. He's he shouldn't be on the lead. It takes away from his closing brunch. She's got a good closing punch and he can't use it when he's on the lead and AH got beaten his last two starts Buddha blinkers off going around a quarter. I I'd be curious about saying. He's going to go out there and win but I wouldn't be surprised if he ran them brand in a much improved race. I think he's a much better without blinkers. He he does invoke invoke. He doesn't invoke the dollar Bill Axiom. I mean you know both two and the thing is the thing with dollar. Bill is that dollar bill was running gag rounds. We don't want to be in the rail and he always wound up on a rail and he always got shut off on the Rail L. Let me always had some kind of you know problems there but I think talkative has done a lot more than dollar. Bill you know look the racist any place then and even forgetting about the winds wood memorial Tampa Bay Derby. Come mark the pace but you know to finish in the money and Kentucky Derby and travers and Jim Dandy and the Jockey Club Gold Cup. I mean that's still quite a resume far. Surpassing the dollar bill did now I just I always so you know whatever you get a horse throughout the course of the year was was nibbling and and had backers and and frustration Asia shot you know I'm not gonNA blame him for those losses. Give him a shot. I'm just I just WanNa see what he can do. Once we would have to blinkers and and what a good trip you know if he runs into trouble Aghanistan okay look. He's just played but I I. I just WanNa see what he can do. I Yeah I think the conditions would suit him. I just don't know of mark would run run three horses in the race but what we what we still don't know what he's going to do with the late anyway. Phillies have have done fairly well. Obviously you know is in Yatta wanted was synthetic but you know looking to Philly like Joe Lifa who comes from France never run on dirt once third. APN and pleasant tap even as airy who didn't have a good trip at all. She feels the respectable fifth against go sapper unit he was he he was down on stuck down on the inside the whole race I mean she she ran a good race but have the grass rain was the favourite I think in the class and she ran she got. She went pretty decent racing sports. I believe somebody phillies. Can you know can can do well there but I'm listening to so many scenarios this year is somebody potential match-ups coming up and in the Breeders Cup and you got a big weekend now I think we've got one of the most interesting group of two Euros we've seen that only for Breeders Cup juvenile but looking ahead to the Kentucky Derby I mean all the top to you. Oh so far are all look like mile and a quarter horses with a tons of classic combined brilliance and class and you know we could see the emergence of a couple of horses over the weekend who you know could be absolute monsters Steve Before I ask you about the the futurity and the champagne your thoughts about what we saw we'll shift gears from the classic to the juvenile and your thoughts on the performance of of Eight rinks which was I I know everybody's always looking for brilliant but it was that was fine right that that was not a without God. I don't feel pretty out of lengthy one. I wouldn't call it a George Dropping I give him credit for recovering from that list race still coming off five five and a half furlongs but didn't look like anybody was really doing much behind him and he was a switching lead scratch. I mean he's thinking he's still looks kind of green. it wasn't like your American Phero or justify type of win or arrogate where you're looking to say well look strider networks. Look look you know how professional signal have you know. He's still looks like there's work to be done but he's obviously immensely talented but you know I just don't like to see young horse. you know switching back and forth under leads but can't can't knock them and you certainly can't knock dentist this moment you know after his super spectacular maiden win he come back and won the Iroquois very very easily. I mean you can't win a race much easier than than he did so he's he's got tremendous Indus potential so you've gotta you've got a good east West matchup right there and we haven't even gotten to the campaign in the brightest returning you know so I just think I think the I think I think we could have some great matchups and boy. I tell you there are a lot of good horses. Running at least potential good toys is running in both of those races and there's a lot of them would not surprise me but like I said there were two horses coming off a maiden races that to me could be really special. Let's talk about the other the other two this weekend thoughts on the champagne and the turning well champagne. You know it was several weeks ago I ranked two euros and I ranked green like oh the top two year old and I think he just looked so professional and I was like everything I saw with his horse. I mean he did nothing wrong. He just looks like because season pro and he definitely divorced to be but you know when it comes to a maiden victory right. If anybody has not scene three techniques maiden win you gotta go watch it because watching that horse lower his head he runs low low to the ground but what a stride on his source I mean it's incredible extension to stride and just the way he drew off going seven furlongs at Saratoga at one twenty two and four that was very impressive. You know You buy young stallion Mr Speaker but that's all that's all this is tall and solidly good to you know it's a pretty good family. He should certainly be able to stretch out but he's run three times so it's not like he was coming up with one but that was that was about as impressive race as as you'll see and you know you got those two horses his at Togo when I was at Steve Vast Rusen spun it was assistant Scott Blessing we're going down to barnes and we came to Zilla and he said that interesting was a freak and tell you you look at a lot of people are GonNa look at his hopeful very tired and finished third number one. It was in the SLOP number number two. I don't think this horse I don't even know what has been on the lead these by flatter out of a stormy Atlantic. He's read strictly for distance. I mean I don't see much speed in his predatory at all but he's you know he's he's been on the lead in both his starch and maybe he just didn't like the slop in the hopeful. Maybe it'd be didn't want to be going head and head in it. You know he finished third but I wouldn't be surprised to see him. improve. We've another up in New York wedding there. I mean again for Barclay tag and Saratoga to run a law coming off statement maiden race but if you look at that race race he has the highest buyer and Echo Bay speed figure of anybody in the race you know he got ninety buyer in that race and not only only did he win by four and a quarter lengths but the second was fourteen links headed the third words so I don't know what we're dealing with with with with the law doug about being bred for Disney he he's by constitution where who seems to be everywhere now. There's so many institutions around Outta tips now mayor so he's GonNa WanNa go long. you know I know plus has been high on Alpha Sixty six. He's got some improving it. Do you know coming in neck and neck maiden win but I mean I think this is a this is a very strong feeling you got the sapling winner in there who might be a bit overmatched in here but you know I'm just looking forward to seeing green light go and three technique and also to were slightly lesser degrees see how it goes Zillah and anticipate law run and the breeze thirty you know they lost basin in there but I'd say the the favorite in the race horses I I wrote. I I tried something new. I decided to write the back history of two maiden winners as if they were stake sources and I and I picked three technique and governor Morris who who was tremendously named Horse Governor Morris's but boy did he look I mean his his maiden. I know he's only five and a half but my goodness he just looked like a freak in that race and again he certainly has the certainly has the pedigree but what am posing individual visual again beautiful stride and he was he was he was highly touted before that he worked brilliantly again. This could be an absolute freak but you know listen you did draw the ten posts so he's going to have to bust especially coming off the five and a half full all right so he's going to have to be close up there and that race was in the slop so he has not run fast track yet but listen I you can't discount to other maiden winners tap it to win and actually actually one or two mile was also very impressive. He looked very professional and I love his stride. In there. Tapper to win looked extremely professional. I like the way he ran. He Ran Iran's a fast time. You're in one zero nine and three got an eighty six spire means by tap it out of Value Durham we're here. We're talking serious. W type watches and then a horse that's got to be close to my heart who could be very swayze easy infrared you know King King Theo I mean you know saving press out there to ride the facility and you've got a couple of other mounts and he gets a call from Karlovac aretha sing Do you want to write my go stream. He just won by it links and you know he's They said they said yes to write them. I don't announced the sources you know He. He's never fasttrack either who's in his slop but he again he won by eight lengths and by more than ready it's Broodmare Broodmare sires abnd but you know when I saw the name King Ceo listen to this specific Flavian Pratt has had more unbelievable pickup mounts when you consider the country house and high power worth pickup mounts I'm not gonNA discount anything that he picks up at the last minute so so of course he's a horse and I'm definitely looking for this was maccesfield. The old one is I came from the clouds to win came home last quarter in twenty four and one and that was that was at a mile I mean this. Is this this very tough racing horse that could be a tremendous overly in here too. If you throw out the hopeful again was in the SLOP you go back and you look at Brian Sites who victory won the Sanford by three lengths and one ten and one whether he's fast enough. I'm not sure yet another constitution and and getting back to the other son Constitution I was talking about Governor Morris has nothing to do with taping a governor or strangely spelling governor for people who don't know governor March was the actual name of one of the founding fathers who wrote the preamble to the constitution constitution so it's really great name I I mean to me to me. This racist is extremely fascinating fascinating. I mean so many horses could come out of here. We already had already wanted a mile an ace marquette. She's got enforceable in there. WHO's already won a mile at Saratoga again? He's he's. He's on the slow side. He's gotTa be you gotTa get faster and if you WANNA throw out lucas voice in the slop into hopeful to listen some horses. Just don't want to run in the SLOP. I I don't know if that applies to American butterflies the son of American Phero but you know he broke his maiden impressively Saratoga our Toga on a fast track so I I it's it's GonNa be Fascinating UH fascinating to two races for the juvenile's. I'm really looking forward to both of these racists and I'm looking for I to me I'm I'm not even looking at Breeders Cup Jovan. I'm looking at Kentucky Derby with these sources Eddie and when you add eight rings to read for this and and Dennis moment is Bradford this each so I'm seeing a lot of potential derby horses here of course you can say a lot of years and you never hear these again but I don't think that's the case. These just look to do too good. Well and you know what this feeds into St when you look at I've just I've got the three got the three pages spread out champagne and the breeders maturity and you look at the even even the horses that are that are going. It'd be longshots. Here's the stallion Roster Liam's map Raison d'etat hard-spun Mr Speaker flatter Shanghai Bobby Constitution Street sense tap it more than ready and other street sense and other constitution another capit- American Pharaoh Curling New Year's Day and another constitution and we've been banging drama discussing it with sid regularly on Sire Watch pedigree focus presented by Hillsdale and here is more evidence that there's fewer and fewer stallions is that our sprint devoted almost everybody on that list. I suppose Shanghai Bobby. He is a middle distance stallion and more than ready is a bit of a middle distance Turkey stallion but other than that he uh who has sired distance horses yeah yes absolutely so it it just you know I I'm so tired of the of of that you know that refrain oh we we were breeding for speed no actually almost almost every other than other than spice down. I we've got even despite sounds that stretch out and it's ZIP ZIP cities Sydney's dance. You know have been able to stretch out Bob. Rose Broodmare was pure sprinter. you just don't know anymore. I mean it's just the breeze. The breeze changed. I mean you don't see your voice and say always automatic. what makes sprinter the first thing you do if you see a sprinting sire go to the female family if they stamina's air then got shot. I'm not saying the Kentucky Derby Horses certainly could be definitely to turn horses. Well even even there. I'm just I'm just glancing the now that you mention this for those that have it here you go alpha sixty six broodmare sire giant's causeway truculent and his law broodmare sires Tis now green in light goes broodmare sire pleasantly perfect three technique Harlan's holiday middle distance stormy Atlantic for Zilla Bird Stone for Big City Bob Bob Medaglia d'oro for tapping to win Dixie Union for by your side and of course union is one of those funny sprint sprinted stallions that only managed to get union rags a Dixie Union Union. was you know we easily wondering eight. I mean the Haskell I mean he's he's side distance sources and like you said with with union rags I certainly would not hold the distance against an addict union. You know it's it's just it's such a phony. Going you know big brown another Dixie the Union Front I mean I mean you can keep going even that even the horse that nobody ever heard of by that whatever's take your AP API five hundred or something risk hundred absolutely take this breeding by remember eighty five five mayor. dancing mayor who helped dam was Daly's flying flag. Who's WHO's WHO's a produced a million dollar winner but you keep going down hair is is is is pure distance that Chadwell hope it and and I mean they're all the role derby bred horses? I just I bring bring it up because it it it it just find tiresome. You know this this phony trope that oh we we don't breed we're not breeding route. Goers Breeding won the Kentucky Derby by the way it was supposed to be sprinters that would by sprinters big brown was was by enjoy a pure sprinter smarty Jones was by a sprinter miler. Even I'll tell you even when smart when funny side one. I've known as a miler. It's certainly not a mile and a quarter horse funny side won the Derby. Everybody's reading too distorted humor's all he can go a distance for sure well before funniest. I couldn't go distance but it doesn't apply anymore. Whoever thought an elusive quality you know it was going to win the was going to win the Derby Boundary Sprinter? I mean they're all siring W W winners this is this'll be fun you know everybody's focused was focused coming out of the weekend and on on the classic and then the news you know between the Mckenzie News and it did seem like Smith was one the five to be taken off frankly but I don't. I'm not I don't. I don't know what he really did wrong. I know wants them to be close to lead but when you get down to it I mean McKinsey see at one to five. He had a chance to win. I mean not only did he not failed to catch loose on the lead but but but my going only wound pulled away from him I mean opened up on them so I mean I don't know I mean. Was it the great it's like no which is the worst right. No It's Mike Smith. I was really surprised that he took them off but you could see in the interview after the race baffled sort of alluded to the fact that he wasn't too happy that that that that that was pulled pulled a a a theft on him but listen those things happen. You know it's it's a prep race but I mean I don't China. I don't know we don't know who's going to get. I'm no you know I read a teaser. Somebody I mean I don't know what he's going to get. I have no clue I know he's going to get anybody better. Mike like Smith unless you in the back of his mind. He was convinced that was going to go and wanted to get Johnny v but listen you know he has his reasons. Some sure sure pureness mining a good reason for taking them off. I mean I just didn't see anything horrible there. I you know but I tell you I can say we've got got some interesting interesting scenarios over the weekend. I think the strangest matchup weekend you look at two horses that is strange. How about chance a lot against Omar beach got? You Got Watch that was that was it's called the fastest source in the country up against Kentucky Derby favourite. It's true it's true so I don't know what to expect. I watch one thing by the away he said reporter Dick Mandela lower your standards a little bit because there's not a heck of a lot of speed in there you know I don't know if that is in Sadler source is going to run with him or not but cancel out absolutely blazing speed and he's only speed in the race if I'm rob beach can run a second to him. I don't know what their plans for him. At all I don't WanNa go to sprint and also the run against the hint or Matola or maybe against Matola and Catalina cruiser in the dirt mile. Neither one of them is going to be an easy spot but they've run out of options. I mean there's not much bigger stretch him out and run them in the classic perfect for the guy to run them somewhere but if they run in any Breeders Cup race. Maybe they wait for the cigar mile or something but if they do run him in the Breeders Cup he doesn't eat to win this race at six. No agreed agreed completely agree and this is this is this is the kind of move you love sprint leading into as you know as a as a prep race Komo my favorite thing is is is is the three year old starting off his three-year-old campaign sprint which he ran he went seven furlongs as a three year old and one twenty twenty four or maybe at the end of two year. I can't remember what it was either in December or early in his early in the year but I like to see that swint because because I'd like to see those horses sharpen looking for look I mean the silicon you say so. He's already won the Rodeo drive why Schipol four across country to run at a mile at keeneland well. The reason is you're not allowed to run at Santa Anita. She gotta run at Keeneland so that's the only reason they're out there. I mean he can't run because he's part owner of a Jerry House office part owner so he's listed. He's listed trainer. They can't turn they can't can't turn over to the Dan Ward so Jerry. How is the trainer so we've got a runner mckean land now? He goes back to when he goes back to a AH California again I don't I don't know exactly how it works but you know if for the Breeders Cup the British takes over and they determine who who runs his racist. I don't think sandy even has any say in that anymore so they're trying to get appropriate in her and they can't run the race where she would have been one to five Edison director keeneland because she wasn't allowed to run a lot of weird things this year well and there's nothing wrong with going to contend tend to spot either. I I it frankly. Why wouldn't you want when you want to run a run in this in this spot it's four hundred thousand and it's a great one? it depends on how much you think of mile race is GONNA help you to go mile and a quarter in fact. She's already wonder what they are. Driving to travel traveled across country. I'm it's a great race to win. You know but it's not the I don't think it would be if you're in California and you go in a mile and a quarter. I don't know if you know going out there to run. A mile would be the ideal prep. Although one thing about facilitator is that she is a proven Meyler you know she she's one most of the races at a mile a lot of strange wickson water. I mean he's going into the British company in his shifting back down and distance with him to go a mile. We'll see we'll see what happens with him. There's not exactly a plethora of top class milers. We'll see what comes over from from Europe you know. You've got some some decent miles out there but certainly not much here you know got stormy looked like she might be the best miler here and I certainly get another chance. I I think he got a good ride at Woodbine at all. I think it was just a question of not not knowing. How long stretch was she? She just went to lead to soon but I think she you know she certainly capable of being one of the contenders quarter mile how no doubt we'll see what comes out of the shadow and how that that contributes a great weekend great great. We'll we'll see what happens yeah. The Europeans do well. I mean the Europeans are pretty pretty solid in there but yeah like I said you know for the for the mile turf you know we don't have. We don't have any you WANNA dance. That's for sure we don't have any happens. That's for sure now got storm. He's the closest thing we got to and you know the and it's not as if it's not as if the Gail Cox that that the winner you know the mild winter that was it that was a horse that was just so dirtied up from trips that if people if things have been a little bit gone a little bit different it nobody would have been as surprised as they ended up with him. I I don't I that that part to me it it in retrospect and especially especially given some of the some of the the real wise guys that that were all over him that day because of because of the the difficult trips that he'd Dad. It's not like she got beat by you know by a complete. I don't think any of these upsets her defeat area regularize you know she got people go towards exactly and at the same thing the same thing released true true even even what we saw in Philadelphia and and Mongolian there's there's conditions and circumstances around a lot of what feel like stunning upsets that were that are a lot easier to explain than you know when and when you when you really dissect it so it what it does is it creates that air of of confusion yeah exactly a lot of times when the dust settles producing the most host Mundane and predictable results actually but it's kind of funny when you look at it but I I I love the way I love the way things are coming together. they say that you know I every stop talking about it and I don't know if they have any aspirations or not but you know don't don't give up you know even looking at the turf which looks like a really good race on the I mean so he misprint don't give up on Arana people forget by the way is that he's not thunder right on a ridiculously he was on a ridiculously fast pace or mess always closed into a ridiculous slow paced one of them ran incredible race when you give all the credit for closing into slow pace with his horses in front should one and he ran his to win so maybe he's getting better Brooke were Rana. She's running on on on a place three full also looking more than three seconds faster than Pennsylvania Derby in verses that we're up to where the roll out of the money and she finished second to a really good filly so I mean I wouldn't be surprised you know looking at the race. She ran in the ACORN was to me one of the best performances performances of the year If I you know I wouldn't be surprised if they shortened her up and ran the philly misprint which we're already is a tremendous race. When you look at Kofi against come dancing? I mean that's that's that's great you know three year old versus old of Philly but if you throw a Arana in there as well and we'll see what comes out of the way you know some not nice phillies in in the Air Philly racist I think the celebrations could be very interesting especially philly misprint grin look at times he's still he's running. I mean coffee and both twenty one inch one twenty one one twenty-one onto coming off of incredibly fast races and both both of you know extremely talented Tilles but you know you add Goran race in the in the acorn and even even silly like Sharon getty empress short up again. you know she's brilliant. I miss some really Nice Nice phillies. You brought up the distaff. The I thought the mayor that that really jumped up and I had John Sheriff's on Tuesday to to flesh it out that what you mean yeah that performance should not be just shrugged aside. No I mean he he's such an unpredictable Philly on our best days number early in the career. She looked like a freak but on her best days he's a tremendous villy. You know I mean he beat a very good filly. WHO's the big favourite in the race but he doesn't win often once she does? He can be very can be really impressive. She's and now in the hands of sheriffs you know she could improve she could mean you quite improved yeah and he explained because I said to him as he is. She just a tough Iliad of train is she witchy. She and the answer was yes all of the above she's. She's not easy Kinda Craner. You want for affiliate that did you hear. Did you listen to John John Tuesday. I didn't I heard the last part of it. I got on there Agai near late but I did hear the last part of it because they're they're they're packing up their bags with express train and they'll they'll they'll wait now and start to you know start to plan for next year which I could see that it definitely see that which is not everybody you know you yes. There's great the advantages to you know to pointing for things like juvenile the juvenile opportunity but they've got they've got a bigger. They've got the bigger aspirations. It seems like they're they're going to be very practical with him. Yeah Rosen wrong with this is ready for Croatia we juvenile which has not been exactly the greatest race to prepare for the Kentucky Derby when you look at uh-huh Juvenile Derby so nothing wrong with nothing wrong with waiting. Well Steve Veto and listen to you we have to we we don't even know yet you know which Europeans are running. you know into Van Dyke which originally the original plan Aidan O'Brien said original plan was to train him up to the Breeders Cup and then all of a sudden. He's entered the Ark and I said what's this all about. I said is he. Doesn't you belong there. They he's ready has Japan in there who's best three-year-old and he's got magical and you know I mean listen magical the changes. Anybody deserves one of these wins you know she running against the naval all these races and look look at the ratio ran against the Breeders Cup last year and she just got beaten in photo early in the year against her Chiquita. She just came along in the wrong ear. Magical is very very talented Philly now. She's going up against the neighborhood again but you know he's he's a He's an English Darby winner and if you look at his I thought they might even considered a classic is Great Grand Dam. It's November snow. You Know Alabama winner so I thought maybe they would look at the pedigree and say you know what let's try and win classic for so many years sent so many top portion Galileo got you run down a list of all the top horses they run in the in the classic unable to win. I thought maybe they would try the classic with Anthony Van Dyke in a year in a year like this I mean I don't know go to the turf again. She was almost seems almost a little boring. You know and you know and as far and as far as Ktar forces you look at the Joe Hirsch it's like these these horses you you start looking at Sadler's joy in channel maker and Arklow Arc blow cycle. It's like these have been running against each other for the last eight years or so. I mean it's just the same worse year after year. You know we just we need something. We need some fresh rush blood in the in the mile turf forces. That's why I wasn't sure if they WANNA try and stretch bricks and mortar mile and a half but obviously they're not they're not doing that. I saw that debate after the weekend it would call a debate but those suggestions Steve that that this was an ideal opportunity but he even nick luck who was with US earlier. Nick Luck. I saw responded to some people saying well it. It might be an opportunity but who exactly who exactly is eligible right. I mean who who's the those candidates so ugly exciting. Wh what would it be English Derby winner in the British Cup classic. You know who's WHO's like. I said yes yeah yeah. Of course you know as usual you know Galileo grass and everything everything scowl. Ao but you know when you when you look at November snow you know his affiliate who who wanted a mile and a quarter on dirt and at seven furlongs he wanted to test and the Alabama so desert pedigree is there they've run washes in a classic would lot less dirt breeding than that so just on that alone. I thought they might give it a shot and I was just I said no turf doesn't I can see what happens is the Joe Hirsch and but it's the same group of over and over again so we'll have to see see who comes out of the out of the Ark obviously enables not but there's other horses in there too you know that Peter Brand sorts sites S. We're when we're with name but evolved ice could come back again magical you. I thought I thought they'd come back and run magical into turf and run Anthony Van Dyke in the classic. I mean they WANNA run Anthony Assuming they bring magical back which I don't see why they wouldn't I mean I mean you. You want to run again. You know have those horses run against each other. Magical would be right now. If magical runs in the money in the arc she wants second or thirty or she's a favorite in the Breeders Cup turf especially if the last year if they're giving enable all she can handle so he's the favourite favorite I mean. Why do you want to run with Anthony? Take a shot at the classic just the way I see it. I like it. I it that always ads made. It always adds a another another element Steve might as well stay. We've got about four five minutes to wrap up what too late to too late to let you go now okay. Can I can win another four minutes all right what well after the conversation last week in fact everything's sold out last chance for people to sign onto uh. Is there any space left for the for the tourists. I don't think so right now to tell you the truth. I'm more more interested in getting over my case of Gout. Oh no no yeah yeah smack got my fingers crossed. I got my fingers crossed so yeah it's not not being able to walk would not be would would not be great. finger no stores out. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa do it. No matter what even if I'm bon crutches or a wheelchair or something like that I'll be down there but hopefully we hope hopefully I know these things. They take. It could take weeks but I'm I'm hoping for the best. So didn't we did the John didn't the last time you had that that bad flare up didn't John was pretty bad was that John Peralta sent you something. I remember right that didn't didn't John have cure or I can't remember what that was right. He did send me something and it helps it was it was a it was as a liquid who says something to drink. I think yes we'll get. We'll get John on the case all right. I'm T- I'M MINNESOTA. I'm taking I'm taking something but it's not really doing like I got a week to go before. I have to leave so again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed well. It'll be this way it'll be. It'll be a farm tour that that these people are not used to be interesting. I think you know so but it's GonNa do. I hope hope that clears the way I was planning on closing the last four minutes but I'm glad you mentioned it because I'll ask John for a reminder of what of what he used what he gave you last time what he sent you so that you can joke and go out and get it. How what about her she she up and around? She's so he's doing better. Okay I was having problems and she seems to be She seems to be doing better well. Let's put it this way it it. Could this could set a precedent this year by the way is that you your show could produce the first time in history could produce a case of Mozza and gout medication. Yeah that's a it's an odd combination but we never know what we never. I don't know before we in fact before we go because I did reach out I thought there was a chance we were GONNA get a conversation in to look at the alphabet ladies and the and the Phoenix tomorrow at Keeneland and I suppose that the obviously the worst defeat at keeneland tomorrow in there in the Phoenix is Dale with with promises fulfilled brought it back I I it's not he's not great that he's two for two but you know Whitmore Whitmore Fires Fresh Hakkari customers going to have to ah improve recruiting ready as you know is going to be winging it out out in front after that. I don't know it. It feels like those are the three principles. I'm very interested to see what what Patrick Code is going to do with diamond oops how about how about him across entering into the turf that was that surprised me so we'll see if Patrick's going to I was trying to grasp you. Simply cannot raise the vanderbilt I mean when you read one of seven and change you certainly got to give them a shot in here and then and then he'd won the smile sprint in the race before that and you know before that is running against world of troubles. Nobody wants to run against run against that awards so yeah he's. He's got a shot. I I don't know about Whitmore. He might be a bit long in the tooth our. I don't know if he's he's working great. He's never and never the catamounts recruiting readies coming up. You know he's coming off a really good allowance radio is you've got to respect Stanley anyway but he's run some big races this year he didn't win but he was second third fourth and a lot of big stakes this year so he is I it. It's it's a good race. Even though it's like Ho- how can we also look he ran Jerkins. I mean just got just got knit by plying mind control in the finished ahead version a lot you know he comes from the clouds and certainly got to give him a shot. He looked great. When you wanted to woody Stevens you know a big price? You know your second day mile so yeah and you know it depends it all depends on the promises fulfilled and get clearly because he's that's where he's his best when he's out there by himself when he gets challenged he's not quite the same and then of course the al-Sebeih's eh discuss it tomorrow with Marty and and more everybody's coming out of the race coming out. Most of the horses coming are coming out of wins a second. I think I think the role of horses in the race with fourteen and they're the only one horse is is coming up with race worse than second sources are a lot of them. Come out of incoming racist well. You got some surface switches in here that are really notable including steadham taking Michelle Lean who is the daughter of panty not raid by Bernardini and she debuted at Saratoga on the turf at and then wins the Sorority on the turf at Monmouth and and now is going to get her dirt debut and adds lasix. She's eight to one and her you know her mother was more was dying of here's Godolphin owned breath of course anti Reno yeah so I could get used to the sorority being running a mile on turf. I mean using the great races when it was sick for a longer than we have two yellow racist in the country well same thing with the matron in the fraternity but it's been re purposed very nicely actually very nicely Steve exactly exactly exactly and they can play in the juvenile turf sprint they WanNa do that. That's their other option right so steve asking everybody and Nick Lock. Tony Black shook mcgahey today tomorrow weekend preview talk to you in

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"Raises with steve. Horse racing handicapping interviews. This is steve. We're back our three at the races. Tuesday and that means andy sterling new york racing association. Good morning how you doing good real good ear. I well i i. There's a couple of things that i haven't gotten to yet We've had a busy morning and a half yesterday and today and there was some results that really need to be. You know beyond the oaklawn stuff. was some results particularly on sunday in new york. A chad brown with a mammoth day. Sunday that somehow has gone a little under the radar. I mean. I don't know about still under the radar. There's been some talk about it. But i mean it is march and act not usually high that people are going to get some of the notices. Trump crowd raises right. Yep understood understood but there were. I i certainly. I mean the stake winner was one thing that new york bred in the damon runyon but the Earlier on the card mystic knight. That was something really really well. I agree in track gone back to a default position for most of the last five weeks. Ain't got them weekend. Be gold rail and mystic knight. Just made a huge run. The race made a big loss sustained. Run for rather three as paul rundown worse. Been running very well for rudy I agree that was only his fourth start. It's funny i i you know i never talked and never i never had a conversation about that at all. we're talking race that it was an impressive race but not Before at any point but somebody told me with our surrounding kentucky keelan right. He said you keeneland and It it told me they really liked that worse. And can break in state and didn't run alabama been run particularly well churchill either but has really woken up in the two races new york and got a ninety nine buyer. Feels like a. You know it's one thing to get sort of exaggerated figures when you're running with the racetrack. Which down against the racetrack is extremely impressive. That's looking horse. I don't know where they go to data seventy imagined last gunfighter and i. It's funny how those things as well the worst of the training last gunfighter one light six or seven state races with a on before he ran second to a good worse. I don't remember exactly what maybe i don't remember. We ran second doors. Couldn't beat that they've steak But and i with with the track. Obviously it's so hard to judge the tracking changing and there was a lot of the sunday times. You know they've been a little faster different points the day. It seemed very slow for seventh and eighth races. So i was very slow. Vital biodiversity three talking about the numbers yesterday talking about the difficulties. He's had in general and making numbers for aquit with a lot of winter particularly this weekend but That's promising works. You know we'll see night Michael douglas talking about after the race. Miss off it's closer dave greg. They have to figure where they want to train them up towards like the peter pan sorcery say went off You know i guess. If you're around the peter pan eu you do that expense like running that an easier. Spotlight the mike lee. But i think there's times this is time you want to find out what you have so would surprise me. I don't have any chatter. Michael mentioned that well and Kind of a kind of a big day. In fact. A big yeah. I mean a big day for the dublin partner group because There was also the main breaker we should. We should bring up right hometown politics to sail the winstar from windstar for nikki. Thousand outdoors ran. Yeah i bet the second cheesy when winning race but what's worsening hometown. Hometown beat mandatory. Oh that's sunday or saturday sunday. That was right before that was before mystic knight. That's why that's why three Okay that makes sense Yeah yeah he got a figure like a ninety ninety one turn mile and he tried to churchill. You tried three-quarters then just got beat by first line last summer at saratoga at the beginning of the meat thanks you go. Yeah yeah that. Were sitting on a fast race. I think of it these these. These are tricky days but none. That was probably okay I know yeah renovated grace. I didn't realize that was michael. Did michael off the winter. Was that day before or not january. Yes that was the the actress. Four four wins on saturday. Every one of them taking the big punch in the last lash seventy two four to five to one right rita one to two to one with the one in the fifth. I mean her four excellent meeting. I'm not being that. I would losy four to five. And the state has one eight one five one Yeah and gold rail art. Everyone's results i. i got a mention. I'm hoping that one. That was not gold rail. That was Storm advisory that was but You mentioned i. Br brought this up yesterday. mentioned sadie lady and winning the correction and of course was part of the cross country. And i'm hoping to get The player from new orleans to guys partnered up on a two hundred and forty dollars ticket they singled sadie lady and they scored two hundred eight thousand fifty four each about that i love you. I assume you well no i was knocked out with meals. A knee hosts. I i yes i. I didn't think he was impossible. But i tried to. I tried to tip toe a little bit through there. So it no no no was it turkey sequenced to say it was. It really was and then that the tape. The one that the one that a little bit We'll talk might as well fold in some oaklawn as well from the weekend That mile and a half race the temperance hill carlos just hung in hung in and would not get passed. I thought I thought i was home. And that was the last leg of a of a middle. Pick four and that horse. Forget the name lock Something walk thought he was going right on by and forty seven to one win that race before or after it. I know i was very young. Check are the winter with a good friends people. And i'm hoping we're captain today. But we'll get rene douglas. We'll try to get rene tomorrow. I mentioned what were your thoughts. Let's let's talk about some of the oakland results. I really haven't dug into this much Look like that silver state for asmussen Kind of announced himself a little bit in that essex win my gut researcher radar superstar really. That's your blood going. The as a proven you know where he worries dance. I don't know. I guess you know we'll see who's who's quake towards the oaklawn handicap. I mean i guess you know what. We're get a little deeper for that. I'm not exactly sure who who's around you know. Take on the mighty mac. He'll there maybe that that would make that would make sense. That'd be a good spot. Foley's instruments is going to bless. Yes yes he is why we should. I guess Fold in then. If you weren't if you weren't that impressed with that we should fold in the the phillies You know the phillies and mayor. She dares the devil came back. And if you wanna talk if you want to fold in the boulder result i suppose it feels like the phillies admires is going to be the the glamour division for the elders this year aptly more compelling group than the the males exchange and mostly Yeah i mean. Obviously i guess you backup some peop- shares the devil white girl heart. So i guess they're running model a girl at oaklawn and the apple blossom where she can run latex but she does that will go churchill for the lottery in and they're only two weeks apart now I hope so. Skydiver takes on girl. I'll fix skydivers matchup. I was awfully impressed with her. This weekend holder. She's she's just terrific. You know. I feel like the breeders cup. She obviously did guys gauged race that day. Better worse than that. But we'll see certainly That would be a terrific match. Those sources meeting the aba blossom and Yeah i mean. I don't know what to make of the she does. Outrace a truce. Breakers sharply factual as beater while raiding slow pace. When we choose is more of a a you know. I wouldn't be so sure to completely dismiss the apple blossom either. She's pretty good. I don't disagree or running these extra. Nellie highs figures that you know they they. They're they're scared. Don't mind we're gonna win. Which is a credit she shows off and she went but she's not running super super fast. Race is the fastest races of any which list i look at her alabama. You look at this. You know i know i know. A lot of people say oh. She's a mile quarter eight. That barker i. I i think what mom will grow. Probably her bandages is is that she is as proficient mile. A quarter of other distances and a lot of horses probably aren't as good so i think she probably rises the challenge reminder core the ways others may not but i don't think mile quarter worse. I don't know where that came from. I think she just a damn good and my opinion. I'll take suicide ever. Whatever it is joining seven berlin's i take our seven furlongs. Yeah they could run the distaff next and she'd probably be who was running. Well she could mean so. That might be a potluck. But you know it's it's she's she's a I i keep hearing and reading people. Saying what a throwback type she is that you just you can ship wear any any configuration everywhere. She's kennedy had set himself up with her to be second guessed by people jerks like me. You know fans honestly i mean you know i was. I rolled my eyes. Some of the agency made last year and he was right. I mean he you know. I get a lot of credit. You know you you take them like that and and and you know sometimes your trainers or take the place for older satan to do. It feels like having the one that was. I'm sure he's older. You're calling was happy. Go along with that. But if you're like kenny. Was the it was really aggressive with her and he could look bad and he did. I think a lot of credit for that. You know So it's just a fabulous source. She just shows up and and runs. I was sorry she had run a race. The breer soccer. She suburbs much better than that. You know honestly you're right that you know unlike a lotta horses. That were trained to peak for the breeders cup. Kenny was just running. You know man. She was running well every time so she was forced to sabal to having a bad race and look at the end of the day. The more frequently you run the more likely you are to have a bad race here there. I have to come breeders cup day. But i don't think he should be in any way criticize that. He should be applauded to the fact that unlike so many horses the day she raised everywhere all the time and she delivered in gigantic ways. Got that alabama free this no no that last year you know last year right. You probably can't even name one. I'm not operate honore tee. We'll get thanks retired shortly there. That's right that's right. good job the other one. I hesitate to bring this up with kenny. But when when she when she had the situation in the breeders cup us the horse. I immediately thought of was take charge. Lady who despite all of her tremendous accomplishments. He would get her to the breeders cup and she would just melt. It was like the craziest thing. There was no reason for her to struggle like she did in three breeders cups and yet they're her three worst races like by a mile. Maybe she hates purple. Well that and that was the euro and all the all the santa claus. Say that everybody's annoyance. I don't know if you if you recall that about her but she would she would. I don't remember her. She started out with pepper. No kenny always had her Always i'm almost positive i. I don't. I almost positive. For some reason. I feel like hat. Burn had some interesting. I could be completely wrong. I laugh. I i probably am i. I'm gonna pull here to hold on. It takes two seconds. I'll let's pull her up. She's one of which. I've always loved her and it was incredibly frustrating that she would get to the breeders cup and just bomb and it that included as a juvenile right at the beginning. Okay here we go twenty to start stronger affect on you coming i. I'm sure i sure. I better That that'll that'll do it. Let's look at her. And i start i for some reason. Don't know kenny. Had her from word go. Okay no i i. I assumed you're right. I just didn't hear it is. This is unbelievable. She wins at first. Asking a keeneland in april comes back in september preps for the also by eighties. Wins the prep and then the right now. Now wins the september. That sounds right. One silver bullet yet. I don't even know farda amiga. chew sapna. gazelle remember who beat her their imperial gesture. Probably there Crazy she was in his area on the knocker she very large so it's really bombed as cup races. You're right they were like a worst races interesting. She ran six in every use up. She was six yup and then other than her last right she and she was first and second in every other start of her career except for After the breeders cup when she then was retired and she was fifth in the fall city and was obviously finished. Second every time leading breeder stops on austrailia offer sources horses. Similar name weird. Well she she was. Just i mean look and look when you see you know who would beat her. I mean it was the best of the year a site seek and zaeri. All american bernie knocked her off in the fall city actually No in the fall city final start. Yeah yeah the one in the in in two thousand and concert tour before taking over. Yeah sure take charge lady for testing. We can do that. There are people. there are pe- there fan. She's got she's she's got a huge following. She does go ahead concert tour your thoughts. I was the first crap that we ran where i think there were worse. It came out. That were disappointing. Right general horses that were supposed to run ran their races. obviously hostage were ran very well. I think he put himself in blah behind. Life is good point obviously run numbers like he ran free pay then this feels knocking and can do it while quarter the dirty if but if he does so win after that i think the racist very hoping I think concert tours performance full people a little bit because he wants so easily by such a big margin. The temptation was too neatly. Say oh well he's now he's the worst that maybe could be as good and i said on the show. You just want to wait for the pig. See how the race stacks up because once you got a chance. And i didn't really have a chance at times and sealy ran three seconds slower than Shares the devil into fists lower than silver slate older horses. And they're nice horses. So i'm not suggesting that to terrible formats but told you the number is going to be in the mid to low nineties so and you know speaking you look at. It's unlikely that's gonna come up particularly high. You look at the rags. Thorough graph was y. You know it wasn't a particularly fast pace. It wasn't a slow pace but it wasn't a fast pace so we had a good trip and he was best much better than the field. Much much that readies and it was a visually impressive win. But where puts him in. The you know the the the derby group person is a potential contender. Nothing more nothing less but nothing more and you know. I think that at this point the derby still goes through. Life is good. It doesn't go out runwell insanity derby and stay sound by everybody else and able to carry his his seat and it does present situation. Something about this from greg. Wool on the show on sunday was due because it does feel like he may have to nikolay tight horses that are gonna be potentially to a top choices derby You know what you do. Do you approach the sandy derby and or arkansas y su you'll see hunter tour as craps and say well we'd love to be able to see if these forces can raider rate in a race and risk perhaps losing those races To find things out there because because they are perhaps or they just gonna let these words role and do their thing and then let the chips fall as they made kentucky and listen. If you're the connection these sources you know. what are you. Say the bob with bob says well. I'm going to go with this one this one. We'll maybe up your. That's that's bob problem right. That's the eastern after figure out mean obviously good seems like the far more talented one of the two right now but those things can change about us that one of this ends up being more suited the derby and the other one but it does seem like attention situation whereas the choices and they're both horses that may need to lead to be that you know. I'm sure that you saw that. Everybody would like to be in that situation. Have that dilemma. But that doesn't mean it's not at length so and one of the one of the elements of all this is i if we say this now more and more every year The the sources are so lightly raced. You have no idea what. Yeah the you don't know if this is actually a horse when we get to a mile and an eighth and classic distance is this ores. Maybe that can can rate on the lead or near the lead. And you know you. Don't they just. They don't have a resume. They don't have opportunities. You know. I mean that's one thing that partly had very much to his credit found out extremely early with his law mean he could have just sent his law elite and racist by the champagne and jock. And jockey club but he wanted to teach his worse than to learn about source at the benefit of going forward. I realized that he ended up. You know blowing up the beers top. And i never ran again but nonetheless i think it you know it helped. Not just the horse apartment. That i mean. The last thing you've ever do is criticize. Bob baffert who is deservedly. Is certainly raised dirt. Freighter i've ever seen. I wasn't around the in the fifties and forties or sixties. But from what. I've seen and you know he's one. Eight hundred thirties wins every preparation. So i'm not. This isn't a criticism of but and and and the reality is that bob baffert not afraid to use horses speed. You know. West coast wired and travers arrogate wired travelers. They're two good horses. You wouldn't even think of his feet horses. So bob is ready to go to lead with horses. That are closers if the situation dictates so he has. He's fearless in that respect but on the other hand in doing this he gets in a situation where he has to you know. I don't wanna use the word speed crazy. But they appear to be free to act forward horses and you just don't know and you know. Imagine that the two of gotten to a duel of the derby drove each other the ground. Well i think that would be situation that allows people during it no matter what apple does a lot of people like to criticize but You know that would be should work would be a winner in that one. So what do you do. I don't know you know. I don't fortunately i don't have to make decisions but i think it's an interesting conversation. Well and to some degree when you think back to that life is good performance given all the work that he was putting into trying to get the horse to rate and then draw the rail and you know the hand is pretty much forced that you're going to go and you know you you kind would like to see. I'm sure he'll he'll hope that maybe in the santa anita derby that he can get into a situation where you know he can track horse and you know he's always trying to enjoy it rises. Listen better one than the lord and you let concert tour will and you. As soon as the better horse kid can can adapt the circumstances. No way the other words chance but then what happens the concert wires the deal and everybody's second-guess boss. He's gonna get second-guessed about her wedding to wanting to boston would forward well there. I'm not one of those people. He does so the abuse ourselves having said that. I believe that i believe is over the top. Say at least But you know he they let go and they rate like wires. Everybody's gonna say what an idiot. He was a yellow one so he will definitely be criticized even if he wins the race that you can be the one thing we can be. Sure he'll get well and you brought up authentic before and that's what was so that. That's what was so evident last year in the derby with him with was that you know here was the horse that you were. Maybe a quarter of the way or they were getting on the backstretch. And you're saying to yourself. Oh my god. This is going to wire the field. And that's what i said the change. That wasn't exactly that's true. That's true but for that the Commentator stole whitney from st you twenty three forty six zero nine in change. Give me a break. Forty seven now why that is funny. It's eaten up. That's for sure Also heating up to temperatures in the northeast. We're going to have turf before we know it. I'm very excited and you can tell i'm looking forward to it. I am too. I kind of guy you know. You greet every morning with a smile. That's you bring those three and you wake up. You're still in the dream and you have to convince yourself that you know i i. I liked that spot. I dreamed i was back on the floor of your sake. Age where i worked in nineteen eighty four and eighty five eighty five or so and what was happening nothing. Nothing overly compelling i free. You're know you're in college. You know you didn't go to class right right and the final coming up and you've never been there before i would occasionally out those four hour related this doctrine trees injury. That's funny. I love it Before we go The imagine moss is gonna join us but before we go. I do want to point out to people that friday at akwa dante. And i'm sure you've already given it. At least a pass. Mr winston returns for his four year old debut in the sixth race. All right Yeah well we'll see. You know he ran. He ran so well as a second start. I can start datus donkey saratoga. We haven't seen him now for seven months. There's something wrong. Sources are really rise dealer. Yeah he's running coming back. I only hope that jerk versus the rail could be okay. I think somewhere in there your fire. Yeah i wouldn't does. I wonder if you if we've acted i. I look through the book. There's no turf race. In the book for thursday i but there are two the seconds now. Obviously interprets ready. Martin will add. Martin keith At turf races on on thursday would as the second so listen if the weather keeps up the way ben and stuff is. There's no reason to believe barring rain or anything it will be back on. These things seem. Glenn takes tarps down. That's probably yes. John sparks our job anyway. Back in moss. Our thank you for being on top of that. The deputy thank that was that was cool for that was awesome and other people down to. She's she's vigil. She shot tireless tireless abby surly and thank you and point out to not only that six the good race. The seventh is optional. claimer A very nice group attend as well going a mile So there's a seven eighths race as the six. The seventh Is terrific that's a. That's a very compelling double to be honest and Yeah i think we may friday There is the carry over. I will mention Friday there is the carryover in the In the strike. Five to which i'm sure will be widely approached all right Just a always a pleasure. Whether we're congratulating her on a stake win or anything else graduating her on her vigilance when it comes to After care and horses off the racetrack maggie. Moss joins us longed qt too long between drinks baggy. Good morning good morning. Save always a pleasure and always listen to your interviews and being way out here in the mountains. It's the only way. I can kind of keep track of the real world. Well you kind and and i'm glad that Where we provide that touchstone and for you know maggie for observers of of the industry. You know you're a touchdown for people when it comes to the after care and you know a constant beacon when it comes to making people holding their feet to the fire Looking after the horses Once they're off the racetrack and here's another incident. That is really alarming. Explain how you came to hear about The deputy and those mayors that were in the kill penn Steve thank you again. I obviously have Kind of a sick love for horses. Why i'm in this game. But i am part of many undergrounds and underworld and Threads that people don't know about which alerts me almost nightly two-horse Off the track. That are in very bad. Precarious position so ally I'm in that underground. I was Sadly aware of way too many horses that this business of kill pins and extorting horses has tripled as far as money and those folks are spreading out and certainly talked the jockey club. And everyone else about this problem. Which i think is far more seriously than with lasix etc. But i got home for dinner. Sunday night and didn't have my phone on and when i got home at jeez ten ten thirty my time which was twelve midnight. One o'clock eastern time by phone had just blown up i from an underground Group of people That are in texas telling made the deputy was in texas kill pin and There were also numerous tax from my janine. So howdy who trained him. Who's a very dear friend of mine. So i you know. I had to make sure it was him secondhand trying to trace how this happened and i think it was twelve thirty that i recognize that. This was a real chilton. Meaning they do in fact ship to mexico and simply i think got one in the morning. Said i'll take care of it in the morning and We'll get to bail and we'll get them out of there and went to bed and then it struck me. I had been dealing with eleven. Twelve broodmares emaciated broodmares. All that just had foles. That was standing in a louisiana kilcullen. So i sort of Lost my temper to be honest with you and pretty emotionally upset and just struck me that we keep celebrating racing. And we're just dealing with these really bad situations no matter where these sources barn and so i put it on twitter that he was out there and the mirrors. And gosh. it'd be nice to get some help and then it just went nuts on me and the next thing that happened in my only concern was the horse. Because he's killed buyers pretty volatile and I got very concerned and then found out that many people had called my coo. The proprietor of the north texas hilton and that included barry irvine and gary barber and People had started calling To offer you know to also take care of this source and the next thing. I knew he was saying too late. The sources already been bailed. And that's where we're at this morning. And i frankly abused every resource. I know to make sure the horses say a b. Did he really get bailed. And if so by who and see or are they just going to hold out now to extort money so we don't know necessarily if he's i mean who who has who was acquired him essentially. Do we know well. I think in He was actually standing. Ironically in iowa up till twenty seventeen He was sold or given to a quarter horse. Bell horse-breeder in southern iowa. As i understand it and with breeding either barrel horses or quarter horses. That woman woman Said he became difficult. Sold them to texas. So that's how he ended up there. I have News about every resource. I have And i come up. I think the horses safe right now or still alive. Yeah be we sold. Maybe wasn't taxable. Turn anonymous buyer. That's not on twitter involved in thoroughbred world and perhaps a quarter horse person That isn't aware either. That's happened that he has in fact been bailed for fifteen hundred to an anonymous person who they won't tell us or be Did they find out his value. And then the next day or two he'll be listed for a lot more money but I've seen pictures of him. He doesn't look bad and Unfortunately in this world as i tried to explain to janine another people in racing yesterday really hard to get your hands wrapped around the type of criminology or this type of world may not a former prosecutor. Steve and mrs even a darker world. And i can help make people understand To the greed and money Kill buyer so explain. Explain the process for those that that only hear bits and pieces and it is really abusive. Scenario that That talk about the hostage taking essentially and the people that that get these sources in the pipeline and they know the sensitivities of the thoroughbred community and they you know are really just taking advantage To extort as much as possible. I mean i explained where this you know where this whole system stands and what. The possibility is of short-circuiting. I mean we did have a a slaughter conversation last month. as it happens but From your vantage point are we. Are we doing a disservice by by playing into their hands. I mean is there a different way of the safe act would be the the best way to make it impossible to transport doors or make it legal to transport them for this purpose You know what what has to happen to stop this well. it's a it's a really rapidly growing business. Meaning they're sprouting up everywhere now. There was a day so many years ago where we could buy these horses for three. Four hundred dollars as you know Along pain dina alber on all and That drove the prices up and These kill pins or in iowa. Kansas texas kentucky. They're everywhere and these are i. Sometimes equated to sex trafficking they become very valuable. They've gone from three to four hundred fifteen hundred to two thousand and I have not been successful Speaking about this or getting the attention of the racing world And the amount of horses of almost tripled. The safe act is number one because frankly The transportation treatment of these forces and what happens to them is so graphically a horrible that. I'd rather see horses euthanize than what they go through. So the safe act is number one but as you know We seem to be lobbying for much things right now than the horse itself and that's going to take the power of all the lobbyists that worked on the new federal legislation. That's gonna take the jockey club that's gonna take getting the attention of the racing world that we need to lobby for the safe act because then at least we can stop or it would be a good start number one Other than that. There is a quagmire of fifty percent of the people that say we're not going to be extorted you know let it go quick pain. These people and there was fifty percent of the people. That just can't do it. And there's a very big cross divide in my world as to those that keep paying which makes the prices go up in the business. Go on those. that say. We're not gonna do this so It is one of the most emotional Tragic things. And i frankly steve have zero comprehension of why the racing world and there's a lot of great people. Don't get me wrong. There's great people that care deeply about their horses but sadly these twelve broodmares in horrible conditions standing and it kill pin this morning or just all had polls in louisiana and louisiana. I just when i talked to jim. Gog leone at the jockey club and i. He said we can't do anything unless the state takes action. We'll louisiana is. I've been from the governor on down. That's a lost. Cause i i really think the jockey club needs to step in and do something about these breeders because the bad breeders and the ones that are throwing away. The broodmares is absolutely heartbreaking but broodmares the saddest part so i always will have to call on the regulatory people that start saying you. People are going to lose your right and you can't anymore. So that's what i've been working on the louisiana. We had a period of time where there were there. Were certain spots from the northeast. That were problematic And and that was. That's been pretty well extinguished a you know the the problem continues though on a regular basis. It seems like good the the louisiana right off the track we've had those Stories that That have dominated really this. This whole you know this whole conversation. the safe act story. We've had there's been years and years now of opportunity to get it done and i it the. There's it's hard to understand why you know why what's prevented from crossing the goal line. Well that's politics and that's priorities and I'm strictly a welfare girl. So i have spent seven years my life and louisiana and had to so my hands off i will tell you that until until The powers to be whoever that might be anymore Understand what's happening to these horses over the priorities they have. I mean can you imagine Sitting back and talking about lasix for four years. When i'm watching hundreds of horses go to mexico. Thoroughbreds that people bread I'm not a political person. So i can't answer that but I greeted money. in this business The public perception of what they feel is the public perception. I mean i guess. I'd ask you this question. Why isn't pita or other people involved. More concerned about horses. Getting their heads cut off and mexico than whipping horses. I mean get your hands wrapped around that one. I can't I mean. I hate excessive whipping. Hate any type of cruelty but you know when i'm sitting here saying lots of courses bleeding which is not a pretty sight So how do i get my hands wrapped around lasix whipping versus horses. Dying violent deaths. And i don't advise anybody ever To go to animal angels or anywhere like what happens on the border Or like what happens. So what they do to these courses. Don't go there you'll have post traumatic stress but it's a portable and I don't know how to get their attention. I'm not a good politician. I'm very outspoken. And this is difficult to keep your passion for an industry. That doesn't care about the horses that provide and i do have to say this. The i mean the. Ta a vocation so many people do so much but keep in mind you know. That's for the people that have the money to support those organizations in and are good owner versus those that detroit horses away like trash so that is the way it is and That's where i'm at this morning. That gotten five or six tax of how the heck to save eleven broodmares. They have nowhere to go. What do you tell the the the well intentioned and those that want to help how. How are they best. Served supporting your efforts. And and how do they know i mean obviously after a horrifically awful incident as referenced earlier there's real confusion Obviously take the giving money to a. ta accredited facility is one thing but when people see these appeals and these discussions online. How do they. How do you want them to react. What what do you recommend i want. Regulators may be kentucky louisiana the race tracks The jockey club. I want them to start coming down on those continue to abuse and throw away their horses in this particular case louisiana. Interestingly enough louisiana gets breeders money to horse no matter where they run if you go to the louisiana breeder site look at registered fold. You won't recognize many of the stallions The horror stories out of louisiana with these broodmares horses reportable I had to walk away last year after my mom died. I couldn't deal with you. Know twenty four seven dealing with it. I've been to the commission. I've been to the governor. They don't care. And until the jockey club cracks down on louisiana racing of cracks down on the breeders and tell the regulators. Stop and quit. Saying i'm scared of getting sued. That's what i hear all the time. And steve i'm a lawyer. Okay so I talked to these people. I've talked to louisiana racing. We don't wanna get food. We can't exclude these people We'll get sued. I mean it makes my head burst i can't it's dysfunctional. But yes the answer is. Don't let the jockey club the regulators they need to say we're not gonna lo- you folks to register foles or run at race tracks because you don't care about the horses. How tough is that. it shouldn't be. I mean it's not my job. Okay and that's what i would say is You know there's there's so many In iowa i started the end. I slaughter policy and the power to be the cattle. People didn't like it lobbied against it so it's gone And it's just politics and lobbying and money and greed. And i just call on people to tell the powers to be. The horses are the most important. And like i said the da and just handle so many and they do a great job but the horses were talking about now or not horses. People want because they may not make great. You know off track thoroughbreds or maybe they have problems. But we don't have that place in this country other than maybe friends. It ferdinand trying to start something with broodmares. But that's the best i can tell you. People put their foot down. They did you know with lasix. They did with what they did with. Whatever other ridiculous roles we about there now. Why are those important and the horses are not. I guess that's my question. Well why why is in kita involved with watering horse instead of whip crazy At the very question that's obvious and terms of priorities at the can't be answered. you know. well. I'm hoping maybe you know my concern by the way as always the non sources. They can't help. They were born because they have equal rights. But maybe this thing with the deputy can take us to another level because The fact that a santa anita winner sitting in the north texas. Kill ten shit. Shit that people's i hope will follow it and i'm glad i was able to reach you and and get You know the the current specifics to and we'll follow maggie's feed. I don't want to end on on this kind note so Let me end on Horse not and I saw last week at delta. The greatest love Medan medan breaker. He you know That was probably one of my most favorite wins this year or last year. And that's where. I'm out with my horses. I mean i've had great horses a nice sources but After i bought that yearling keeneland Sadly my mom died. And i never ever even. She was my best friend. I have never named forces and it struck me. She was my greatest love. And that was sure nice philly and i had a lot of not a lot but issues and gave her time and i know it was just delta but she was really impressive and That believe it or not is one of my more emotional victories albeit not sexy ripe stays. I know it's a nice win. I mean and she's she's cut out to be a nice philly. she's a three year old. She's spite stor You you gave one hundred and thirty thousand a yearling lauren. Carlyle signed for you and why not. Why can't why can't she take Step ford sixty six by or not a bad start to get things going and We'll be rooting for always rooting for you. And do i heard this story about no role yesterday which you can imagine an owner being called and saying hey You might be excluded from this takes. Well i'm not dealing with enough dysfunction in racing down there you and many people. Have you know rooted on no parole. Who's just been amazing. And you know what do you think. And frankly. I haven't even had time to think about it. But i always just want him to be safe and come home and everyone be happy. Well he's on the docket The eighth race on saturday. Fairgrounds with partner. Greg tramonte and best of luck to no parole maggie and keep me informed. Let me know anything. I need to communicate to people about the situation. Thank you thank you for taking the time for this really important issue. I for one really appreciate my pleasure. Maggie moss everybody. You should be following maggie. She's vigilant and as you can tell i. She's got the clandestine spotters working on her behalf. And on all of our behalf. 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Part 3: Alan Foreman, Bill Downes, Todd Pletcher

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Part 3: Alan Foreman, Bill Downes, Todd Pletcher

"Sirius Xm, forts. With Steve. Racing and becoming interview. This. Was Stupid. We're back about almost fifteen into our three. It's been a it's been a fast moving morning and we'll keep allen former who's fast fast-moving himself. He's he's not going to tell people where he's going. To keep it a secret but. A few days off is going to the with the family and Alan I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. Good Morning State. Well and You know obviously we we talked earlier in the summer and late Spring and. Quite a few topics that you know constantly come up around the game where we rely on your expertise and the latest Last week to two stories actually the Wayne pots. Scenario. At Laurel in the MJC. Asking, asking him to take his thirty horses off the grounds and then simultaneously running a horse. At monmouth running a horse. at Saratoga, and then over the weekend to Carl Broberg saying that Remington is is preventing him from taking stalls having stalls he can enter, but they don't. They don't want him on the grounds and it begs the question. of of the determinations involved in this kind of thing, Alan and we've touched on it. Before of you know the the right of exclusion that the racetrack has but then there's the question of commissions and regulators and the necessity for there to be actual rulings against parties so that other race tracks can then have a grounds for excluding correct. Correct. What you have is a tension between the the state. which issues the license, the occupational license to the individual and that individual is subject to the rules and regulations that are established by that state's racing commission. And then you have whatever lose white stat. A racetrack has as a a property owner and and that's not uniform throughout the we went through this if you recall last year maturity Hollandsworth. Because the issues are relatively sane and then when the Strana ru bar Jerry Hollandsworth for from its tracks and it was honored by Gilmour and when Jerry then sought to raise elsewhere. the question was is licensed has not been denied hasn't been revoked. The has no regulatory warnings against him Therefore, why should any other tracks for him? When a when a racing commission issues, a ruling against worst spins or revoked the license of a licencee. By rules of reciprocity that suspension or revocation is honored by all racing jurisdictions in North America. On the other hand when attract exercises in. Private Property Rights Common Law right of exclusion Their band may or may not be honored by other race tracks who may communicate with contracted for that individual or otherwise, and and tracks times will bar someone but not giving reason may not say anything and just say quietly take your horses off I. Don't want to create any problems for you, but I want you to leave our grounds and but for aggressive reporting in media. Pollack with worth a discussed this story were how it might surface in the media elsewhere. Other tracks might not worship in the public might not know that that individual has been board at that Ray Shrek. And the and the the private The rule of exclusion is not uniform for example, with respect to the STRANA crude Wayne pots. They didn't have to give him a reason why they were excluding him. They may not have given me reason typically, they will not give the reason because that May. Land in litigation. But then you have jurisdiction like New York neck by a series of court cases over the years going back to Buddy Jacobson in the nineteen seventies both the state and diarrhea are required to accord due process give a reason conducting hearing that is subject to judicial review, and then you have states like West Virginia by regulation if you're dealing with a licensing fee are required to hit the licensing noticed some why that individuals thing board that person gets a hearing subject to review by the commission were subsequently by State Courts and it's My contract. One of the issues in California was whether Jerry Berger Jerry I'm sorry. For. Due Process by virtue of the. Thoroughbred Trainers Association in California and for in Pennsylvania whereby contract parks pan-national on required to here's to individuals who are asked to leave. The landscape the rules are different. When relates to a race track comes to a racing conditioning with respect to Wayne pots are and have been no rulings against him though investigations by state authorities or otherwise this is strictly and action by the strength actually Maryland Jockey Club. I don't know the extent to which didn't strike was involved. It. These these incidents and these situations. Get a reaction Alan that. You know invariably. Is GonNa to produce more animus and and and? You know a negativity from observers in a demanding that that you know why would narrow allow this horse and and it? You know I the understanding of the mechanics I I. I think is important You know be before you know the the show incidents that that we would have daily. Take Place. I just I you know I, Bristle at. You know the the constant barrage, a that. That comes with with any. With anything that is viewed as you know as controversial when it involves the mechanics. Of legalities I mean I and I love the I love the concept that all if we had uniformity. Had uniformity how how would how would legal? Wouldn't legal demands that are involved already in like for instance, in the Way New York approaches things. What would be superseded by some uniform policy. While, it would not and I don't believe that if we had a central racing office with the Commissioner that the commissioner could take action somewhere to what the the Maryland Jockey Club kid or any other track McGee without according some level of due process I. Mean Even if you look at your sports leaves there is no action taken against the player unless that player has been accorded to process and I don't see. If we reorganized into a central office that the raisch rats are going to give up their private. they're right into common long white of exclusion. So you're going to have these situations and it, it creates problems because. If I'm an attorney advising a racetrack that has the common more right to exclude. I don't want a region given I don't want my client giving a reason because if my client gives them reason that might. set in motion legal rights that the person who's being barred for being Salihi, what otherwise would not have but you don't have a uniform system and you won't have a uniform system because the rules are different from state to state when it comes to the common law right exclusion at any exceptions to that. So. What with respect to the regulators? It's it's uniform. Now you know I. I'm fairly certain in the pods case. The Maryland Racing Commission, which is one of the best in the country and their step under my copies is born on the best in the country looked at this situation unsure they got calls or they can't from what they saw what? Maryland Jockey Club whistling, and I have no doubt that they investigated. and. It appears today a concluded that there were no regulatory violations of any kind that would invoke either charges against Mr Pots or a hearing or some disciplinary ruling and I think new. York. Face with the same problem that they had no reason to exclude. Wearing pots based on any suspensions ruins or otherwise Nyerere's Concern is that they have to. If they're going to exclude Wayne pots, they're going to have to have a reason to do so which means they're going to have to court him some do process it's going to have to be put on notice of what the allegation is otherwise I I firmly believe in Maryland they didn't. That's the game I have no doubt they talked to him I have no. Doubt. They talked to Marcus Gallery. I have no doubt they talked and personnel in came to the conclusion that there was nothing there. So not withstanding article that you know seems to inflame the situation. there's probably more to the story and war to the reason why the Maryland Jockey club excluded weighing pots then simply what you read and that's not a criticism the oracle it's just I I. You know I have no inside knowledge I. believe that there's more to the story. I on on a broader basis and you you referenced and those that haven't seen the piece that that Ray and Natalie. Put together, at at Paulie report it's absolutely well, worth reading it also brought. Great Job Natalie is. Terrific I mean they did a very good job. You're. Well and It brings in other issues including the the the. The licensing of of individuals that you know that have that may and and make clearly have connections to people who are being excluded and Alan you've you've seen this in different. In different forms. You referenced all the way back. You know to the seventies essentially. What you know, what is the best course of action I suppose is a fair question to to alleviate these kinds of. Difficulties cross purposes Impressions of impropriety etc.. Right. Well, look the. Under the current Framework. Situations like this. It for example, you're dealing with someone who is. Well, we he is in the Car Allen is in the car. So yeah, we lost them right we'll get Case get it I I think he had one call in somebody called in, and now we lost them for three or four seconds but. That was the telltale. The Telltale Click we'll get allen former back I. mean this is very hard you know i. You know I I suppose I'm going to ask Alan about the owner responsibility in this as well. because. There there are owners who? You may be. In some cases Not going to say in some cases, I, the owners that you are. Certainly aware you know of. Of. Potential. East. I was vamping a little bit I was going to also ask you to in in addition of of course of action for the industry I also wanted to ask you what the the owner what you feel the owner. onus is to I mean for for owners that. You know in some cases they have to be. Aware of. You know of the the seriousness of the circumstances involved in in having somebody that that they're using be. You know be barred from a grounds at or upon by regulators. So, as far as future course of action, I'm going to come back to something that I've I've stood on your program before that. I very strongly advocate for. And that is a restoration of the thoroughbred racing protected bureau some investigative arm of the industry that we currently and have lack for some time You know as I said before when I started in the business from the first Fifteen or twenty years of my career I was able to work closely with the T. r. what was then tr P. because it was the industry's investigative arm. So these kinds of situations whether it's allegations paper training were fraud were or whatever or or You know the industries on top of these they have investigators who can exchange information who can get information can refer information who can communicate with each other A substantial weakness in our industry that we have and I know it's in part of the conversations with the Horse Integrity Act and expanding the acting otherwise quite. But we we desperately need to have something like that because what you have now. Is, tracks communicating with each other racing commissions communicating with each other but not necessarily. A full understanding of what's going on. So That would be my solution, but also understand that when you're. When you're dealing with suspended individuals and Use New York as the best example, they very carefully monitored to ensure that these individuals are not. Subverting their suspensions or penalty. because it's so they're going to be brought back in for more serious penalties were referred otherwise. So like in Florida where you're dealing with Navarro. not only should he be carefully watched but I'm sure that the federal government is carefully watching his activities. So I I know my experience has been regulators will look very closely. At every transaction, every transferable worse every individual who is training courses that was in the care of a suspended trainer. All of that. So you don't see the wool pulled over the eyes too often are Cabbie that with the fact that in Florida, there is no racing conditioned in that So I don't know who's necessarily. Minding the store there other than perhaps the burden is on country park to do it. You know we read the quote from Delhi Majett in the situation Gannon Florida. How often have have owners been excluded? From Entry Very rarely. That that is extremely extremely rare. I'm just trying to think back. To situations I guess the last time I remember that would be the Gill situation at noon where park. and all the controversy surrounding Gill. But you don't see too much with with owners you know that businesses. So substantially changed, you know there was a time when tr P. B. was looking at. Makers Associations with organized gambling. Commission, some crimes and those kinds of things that. Really, concentrate owners more than trainers, but you don't see much of that at least. From what I see. You don't see very much of that anymore owners think exclude. Well this This case these two cases. And and the. The. The reaction to them I just felt it important that that people understand. What the what the nuances between the racetrack authority and and then regulatory authority and reciprocity That's the. That that's the central part of this and I know there has to be in some cases as you reference I mean the do process part of it is going to enter into some of these equations. The sense remember that the Navarro Situation in Florida and the situation in Maryland apples and oranges. made the baby somewhat of a common theme but the virus under suspension everywhere right? He's under federal indictment. So the scrutiny transfers forces and who were partners in what happens to interest that he had ownership of and things like that are different and situation in Maryland where you're not dealing with someone who has any regulatory issues whatsoever this. Relates, to conduct apparently at the race track. Allen Form and joining US and Alan. Before let you go the there's always a couple of topics to wrap up with and get updates upon, and obviously you know it's a very unusual middle portion of the year and yet we continue to. You know I. I don't even say limp along at because things things have been remarkably. Good and effective really coast to coast There's been the the the occasional jocks room, a Cova De, flare up and and an issue but Some mid Atlantic. Mid Atlantic reference points and also the status of the redevelopment plan in Maryland. On the redevelopment plan is the Maryland Stadium. The thorny has active leap and run work. They had solicited bids were architectural design firms to do the design work the infrastructure work. And ultimately designed the facilities I wouldn't expect Fi. Probably the the fall maybe sometime in November, a firm will have been selected. They're moving forward and other areas. Remember project now is under the jurisdiction garland stating authority nervous on their bond group. For the issuance in bonds and the designed portion are well underway. that the good didn't the The you know the other good news is that the casinos in Maryland reopen their opening opened at fifty percent capacity. But Amazingly for the month of July. The members from the casinos were ninety one percent of the journey that the casinos generated a year ago. Percent Capacity. Amazing. So that's a pretty Amazing. Story which means that the money is coming in that will help the fund the project, but we've got a long way to go and hopefully You know we're GONNA get this. Under control, we're going to get back to normal I have enormous. Respect. For everyone in this business who is under very trying circumstances moving forward doing the best they can. Say Gary. Very. Stressful time for everyone. and we just got just got to keep moving forward. Well put in looking forward to the twenty twenty, one match series to their. been some references, Jill burned and others of in recent visit said that they're they're. Looking forward to bringing match back for twenty one. We all our God. Can you imagine what chaos we would've had? Colonial having plunged down and we made the right call and. we'll keep our fingers crossed for next year and hopefully everybody won't be. Getting back to a semblance of normalcy and we'll. Just keep our fingers crossed and pray for everybody on that one. Allen safe travels greatly appreciate the visit and we will. Reach for you against soon. Thanking stay stay stay stay well, and I, said I'd everybody listening to your show. Thank you. Allan form and everybody and. As always helpful informative, and now we'll move to enriching because bill downs back and when we talked to bill how Last week last week bill. We what we we send. We sent people home. Happy. That's all I remember. Yeah. We try. What was it was? It was trying to think of what the race was the the horses involved they've. I keep everything on my desk somewhere I'm sure I've got the the charts but you know there was there was Tom Amos after his visit his horse pranked ran ran big at a price and Oh hendy woods you you. You gave out. Hendy woods two weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah and you mentioned aim was actually at integrated yesterday I. Know I know the TV and all that but it a few horses in you got a gotta w yesterday and I'm like Oh look who's here. Well. And it was notable actually and I think I think I've got I'm I'm pretty sure I I say that shark too because soul street right Yes. Data Curb Street part part owner, of course, ESPN. College football lead analysts and. Think. They're gonNA be doing a Monday night football game this year him and Fowler But yeah, he owns part of Seoul street to was able to relax finally and that was the key didn't have to go at fast I think help the things but. The top of the stretch were last couple of race and I'm going Oh boy, he's he's looking like he's he's getting a little fatigued I didn't get that notion and all at the top of the stretch maybe was just a field that he was just playing better. That could be the case but the shortening up five and a half again I thought helped a little bit as well. But you know finally put everything together and his first win in Indiana and you know herbstreet them I try to get him this responding on twitter I didn't get him. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't respond though so. Well if the if the college football stuff gets. Completely scuttled May. Maybe he'll. He'll be will tune into the next the next opportunities but yeah, I did notice that and You know the the racing I mean every time we talk now and We go into November with the season it has been just An outstanding meet a at Indiana grant and. Another two million dollar night. last night, yesterday in the racing is compelling you big full fields. We've got regular stakes, opportunities including tomorrow, and and one of the reasons I reached out for night for today was so that we could get out in front of tomorrow's. To, stakes. And the good news is you're talk about the quality of the racing and whatnot. Lease. Yeah. Every year we go through a little bit of a wet stretch and I always have to stay I always lament on twitter about guys it rains in central, Indiana and the summer months it that's what it does. You know you're going to have stretches were it seems like there's you're not on the turf at all but you know it's just it is what it is. It's just it's central Indiana and You know I thought that this week the racing really kind of picked up. I was really happy with all four racing cards that were were putting forward this week and better responded like you said over two million dollars and handle on a on a Monday. That's always a good thing and we got those the two Indian bread sticks racist coming up on. Wednesday they're looking like fundraisers as well. Let's let's take a look. We'll start Of course, the pick five is part you know wraps around these to stakes. These are Indiana breads, and essentially essentially, we're coming back to those two stakes that we talked about at the beginning of August. The Ellen's lucky star where nothing but flowers went wire-to-wire and comes back not the favorite in here. Mike glowers got the favourite A. Copper Nickel I'm going to try again after things going wrong in the owns lucky star, and then of course, the snack was the boys race. So we we basically come back. With a lot of this, not not both races but certainly in the girls race and the first lady we we got five. Five of them coming back out of the L. Lucky Star. You know I had to make copper nickel. I thought the because it just didn't run well on turban that was our only temporary. She's back on dirt. She crushed yet. It was against I thought easier in huge abusers, sophomore stakes for the PHILLIES. But she's so impressive in both those races I I I'm like all right. I'M GONNA throw line through the race and I'm GonNa make her the favorite you know nothing but flowers is is is the interesting case study if you will. She won last two races. They were both on her, but they were both going around a ground for the first time and they added blinkers to start to go so. Was the uptick in form. Was it because of the turf was because she's doing wrong the because she added blinkers or is there a combination of all three and that's where I got it gets real. Tricky I I. You know she's GonNa be a top to choice. It's just a matter of whether you know where where do I put her in the morning line in case you know I think your listeners now I make the morning line at Indiana grant as well and you sometimes, you just have to go with your gut and and I think a partial I think it's more because of her, but there's those other handicapping angles that are legitimate handicapping angles. Then maybe that maybe it's just it is around of its around while we're going around at ground today, but it's on the dirt instead of the turf. Well and that. You know that win in the hoosier breeders sophomore steak, and that was a stretch out opportunity. A getting back again to to turns on the dirt here if she runs, you know those races Copper Nickel. Copper Nickel probably wins I I I'm looking through I mean who's who's supposed to you know necessarily jump up here. Under this scenario I suppose Serena bucket is the next. You know the next likeliest candidate. Yeah, yeah. Safety. For to lifetime she passed I thought was the. First Time going around around first time against winners. She didn't get off the best star in the world but she wants to Sean went after her a little bit. She responded one by almost three lengths Parker's on nothing but flowers instead of Serena back. But get very capable replacement and many Aska Val who who can certainly ride with the best at Indiana. Grand. That's not really a an issue. But the other thing I'd say, Steve is copper nickel nothing but flowers three, hundred back all of God tactic or early speed I just wish I could come up with the closer that could take advantage of the situation because if that's the case, then you know may maybe Wellington wonder you know she's she took on copper nickel as a maiden. Yes she was overmatched and the race, but then she Finally, got her allusive maiden win last time out when she went off the two five favorite. But she might have the right running style where she lets these three go at it on the front end and she's the one that is running on a little bit late and gets the run of the race. whether she's good enough at this point in time I you know that's that's the remains to be seen at least you're gonNA get a real good price on her In case you want US swallow. Chuck Chuck with those other three phillies that we mentioned well, she when she faced off against copper nickel She's clearly. She's clearly I won't even say she's necessarily a better philly now, but she she would have to to win. It's one thing to hit the board here and and fill out the exotics It feels like it's a stretch I mean copper you're right about copper nickel and the rationale to to make her even money and. Now I. It'd be interesting to see if if nothing but flowers and Sean Parker if they take the same tact Serena Beck has got plenty of speed. Well, it'd be interesting to see how they they spill out. Let's look at the governor's and the boys race go in the mile and seventy and. In here. that. My ties gem we we got familiar with and there was somebody else that Strong. Tied that one the snack. Yes. Yeah. We go on a two race street. Yeah and got that down in the race. I was Kinda surprised thing. Yeah. I was going to get bed a little bit from after you know hearing some chatter. about the rates and the strong tied certainly was the best in the stack sticks his last four array of been on TERP. Now, he does have A. Form he was second in my ties gem as a two year old in the Indian if you charity which he did have a very wide toast in that race So there is some dirt foreign there but just like with copper nickel. We were potentially against that Philly in that Alan's lucky star we were kind of wondering about the turf reading with two last words by ties Japan. And they both you know ran just gets very average races on turf and the snacks Dick's now they're back on dirt and I think that's a big equalizer and you know to last words defeated My ties jab in hoosier breeder sophomore sticks for the colts and Geldings on Indiana Derby Day on July eighth that was One of the best races of the day that would those to put on a show and what was impressive for my ties Jim was the fact that my ties jam was coming off a long layoff into last words had the benefit in forum cycle if you will and and was probably the the sharper horse going into the race in my ties Jim defeated to less work in that race so. You know for me. It's it. I do like my ties Jim a whole lot and you know strong tied certainly, and then the real. I I guess we'll call it a wildcard Flattery him coming in from Charlestown Yup Yup the the Bull Ring a horse if you will and I watch that race back on July second and here's what the I just wrote down what I, what I saw in. Trouble Line is is is pretty accurate. I'd say it was covered up up the back stretch and then a tired horse backed up right up into going into the farts earn got got shuffled and then found room and then was able to get up for the wind. So overcame I thought was a lot of trouble but those are just six in Africa. Yes or to turn race is. This is a whole different ballgame going from six and a half to. Seventy yards. But the town there. The is good enough to match up against to less words might ties, Jim and strong tied. The good news is I. Think He. I think the price is going to be right on him. I put him at eight to one in the morning line I. You know. I think I'm accurate Anat one but you know I interested to see what you thought about. Flattering. I'm Steve I I think plenty and I have great respect for for Runco and you know yes it's an Indiana bread and and it makes perfect sense to you know to make the drive out with him to you know take this shot but you know you you got you got some serious connections that was a thirty thousand dollar wean link purchase at to Monia Emma in eighteen and I my guess would be that between Parker and eight to one people need to respect. JEFF RONCO SHOWING UP AT INDIANA GRANT. Yep I think so as well even though I don't play Charleston too much I definitely know the name and you can look at the stats as well to just if you don't go to believe the name, the proof is in the pudding if you will Hitting twenty, two percent this year. That's enough. That will least perk up my. My attention some well Indiana should be on everybody's on everybody's radar at this point certainly week after week the whether it's the eleven point nine, nine, percent pick five Or just the goodful fields that's been engaging and bill downs one on twitter and Bill I. Appreciate it. We'll We'll be looking forward to this afternoon and tomorrow. GotTa Steve Thanks. Bill downs everybody. We'll stay right here and we got ten minutes ten twelve to spend with todd pletcher and told Todd last week. GotTa, I owed him A. I owed him visit and I'm glad we waited todd and that you you were busy last week because now we got a great one to talk about with Halliday congratulations. You know I invoked yesterday when we were doing recap I invoked heart Brian Lynch's. Front running turf type because. Everybody watches a horse like this. Win At says this get so lucky. It's A little mad thing. Yeah I know what you mean I guess Getting loose on the lead and the turf races and isn't supposed to happen maybe like again on the dirt but He We thought he ran a terrific race. We're really pleased and proud of his effort and So. excited. He'd been a great one. Win Him so. It was fun for the whole hoping. Talk about his you know his development and obviously an opportunity like you know like this in the in the four star, Dave. Certainly you certainly go after it but this is a war front out of a tap at Mayor Top Seems. To be still on the upswing. Yeah, he seems to be getting better better and you can see it in his physical development you can see it in training. But like Came into this race, really really thriving and So I was a little concerned when when it rained Saturday morning for fifteen minutes, we sat down for wasn't sure you know what that would do to the turf course and how that would affect his chances because we know does like a firm course but No we handle it really well but what was even more interesting is Louis I said that Still didn't think it was his purpose. Had A little more cut in been. He would have really preferred so. I don't see how can run much better. anyways, but the rest of the. Dust. Well, and Sayas Science is very effective on a horse like this. is a perfect fit for him and. You know the the does development is we've been really trying to get the worst to relax and it was basically his whole career, and so he's just just started to do that just starting to kind of. You know. Drop the bridal little bit in the early stages of the race and getting into a good rhythm and not not pool and so when he when he was able to make the lead and then settle nicely Louise repre- and relax the. That really made a huge difference. Well The you know the mile obviously, you know he even though he has one. Mile. And a sixteenth made it feels that this point you say stay very focused on this toward toward cup. For now, we got pretty clear path. You know staying at a mile. SHAG will probably make sense with that race over the course is a proud but. I mean, the one thing is that I believe is the worst thing as he continues to mature relaxes merely part of his race he will be will stretch out a little boring. I don't i. mean can appreciate the Gal out after the race appeals you still cruising pretty pretty well after the wire around the turn so. focus on the mile for now with the idea that he might stretch out a little more. Down the road. and. How much more growing does he have to do? Can you tell? No I. Mean I think he's pretty much grown to about the hype he's going to be he's really on a gorgeous works and This condition? Really well. On the training really enjoys his job impressive personal info. The. In nineteen come along and continue to get better and better. Well a great one win always always good for the the Saratoga season. It's been a good season in in general You know winning at a steady clip and we'll talk about particularly some of the two year olds in a second, but it's going to get We're GONNA get short on time we got about five six minutes. Let's get a quick update on the Derby prospects and Dr Post where do you stand and We gotta we gotTa Jock. To, announce anytime soon. Well to be honest. We haven't totally decided what we're GONNA do yet talking to the violence every couple of days the horse briefs very well. Trying to make a decision on whether we want to want to go to the Derby and stick a shot. They're softer approach and skin maybe Jim Dandy preakness routes Continue to monitor how he trains and tenant keep an eye on what everybody else is doing but We haven't made a firm commitment yet. Well we're waiting for some other decisions from some other. Some other fence sitters most notably Rushie from Michael McCarthy But if if you if Russia your doctor post demure open the door for money moves I is that still a serious consideration if there was a spot for him. we've had some peripheral discussions about it I. I wouldn't say that Real high on the radar but we are keeping an eye on it and there's a point leaving on the thirty first that. We can We can keep it employees but again you know horse. Ever run mistake and And you know. Pretty Whiteley race. It's. Unlikely to. All right that that that is more than we knew and happy saver had been kind of removed from consideration a lot earlier give everybody an update on on the very impressive. Happy Save. Know, he's doing great really pleased with them so Most likely scenario gave the Jim Dandy, and then. That goes well, you got on the president's but. I guess you know the other race that's employees a little bit for him. Money moves would be the Casio on September seven is A. Building Block to the preakness as well. So. It was kind of have to. Play. Over the next week and see how they're all training. Let's also will stay on the steak on the steak storyline for a second todd pletcher with us the wonder again, winner sweet Melania a speaking of of front running types that wire fields you drew my inside for the lows, American Pharaoh Philly, and second start of the year coming up in the Lake George on. Friday. She's doing doing well like the inside draw for she's got good tactical speed. That she can also set off of needed. So it's Kinda it off the breaking. You know who's US figure out the best. Way To get around there. But. Very pleased with her threes coming into this. Doing, what she's been doing what you've always show up and royal. Well and speaking of showing up and running well. Everybody has anointed Asha Ham. As. You know as the the twenty twenty one candidate talk about his eighty four buyer performance in the main breaker going nine for a looks. it was good to see. that. kind of creative rub trips from the Times expected him to break his name WanNa Center by Good favorable pace scenario setup for those able to settle in. May. One Way Ron which is what he's been wanting to do so. Hopefully that was the race where he started to figure it all out and Continue, to build on that. Well certainly certainly as an eight hundred, thousand dollar purchase. There was a lot. Although he was a May fall and so it it might not. necessarily. You know he just turned three physically when even debuted I think earlier in the year. And I think he's. Starting to figure things out mentally a little bit now, and then that'll help I could see him potentially being one of these sources that The end of the day. Appreciate. So a little more ground amount three mile and a half of this those type original. Won't do. It quick quick updates on on the two year olds todd and and. Who who we might see closing weekend coming back. We've got me toss about. Your Doing. Crazy. By eight yesterday and it's pointing to the hopeful. We're really pleased with his debut and. He. Trained like he he was going to come out running and We're happy did. Here impressive watching train. So we're excited about the for him. and. You also had. You've had a bunch of mate winners and not only was there ash what about What about Barry Schwartz Ridge link obsessed We've been looking forward to get them stretched out and Thanks very games he They will fight back and get back up for second and I think that yourself. He's another one simpler nausea. Continue to improve. Well, and then how many how many unraced two year olds are kicking around the barn. Hopefully We have made that are been training pretty well, we'll be making their year. In the. Next couple of weeks so we're, We're excited about the. How about how about SPINOFF That was that was actually a ahead lifter Yeah he's he's another one that You know we've always had really high expectations and high hopes for. A. Breakthrough performance came back and breathe. Really well On. To Right now, we have inflated for the Woodward and. Nice excited about the way coming up to the CAN. Live up to their. Expectations we had four. Well. There's been a bunch others, Moretti one and no two madeline and any number todd I appreciated finished strong and We'll talk soon. Thank you. Todd pletcher everybody and Bill Downs Alan Foreman Bob Edwards rich Middle Yori and if you missed Larry Donlan. Tune in tomorrow morning six, twenty or so. And you'll be treated to forty five minutes with. A. 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PART 1: Rob Whiteley, Dick Powell, Andy Serling

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PART 1: Rob Whiteley, Dick Powell, Andy Serling

"Sirius XM forts presents with Steve Big aw horse racing handicapping interview this is really stupid in a very good Tuesday race fans Sirius Xm one sports oh nine sixty four listening on Siriusxm online and at our website tubes the big dot com a second day and the Middle Portion of book one at keeneland after yesterday's terrific. Ah what else are you going to say terrific opening session. We'll talk to Jessica Martini from tedium to start the second half of the show the noon actually very comfortable new starting time time and the way in which the sessions are are scheduled couple hundred hips each the first three days comprising book one and so for instance yesterday what they must have ended up about five five ten and it makes for makes for a nice pacing really a good way Ed ease into the two weeks then things will pick up in terms of length of the sessions and they'll get into the earlier evening when they start book two on Friday and Saturday they'll sell three hundred and change inch each day and then next week about four hundred are catalogued for each of the sessions yesterday and we'll get the details from jess but you had seven seven figure sellers the session topper for the tap it coat. It's a good dolphin who was very active yesterday. Shake mow on hand two a half million dollars for the hinkle bread and consigned Colt Colt out of seeking Gabriel and Kabri Al and the second seller the Medaglia d'oro out of terraced tango mentioned the Tears Tango and her first foal and it's a home run stonestreet bred and raised consigned by Denali Stud big day for the band or off and for the the hinkle family Godolphin with the the top two knockdowns two million one hundred fifty thousand for the Medaglia d'oro Colt two and a half million for the tap it Carlin with a a very big day and a second a million dollar hip four hinkle because the colt out of transportation one million fifty thousand two Chadwell and shake Hamdan who was just as as as spirited a buyer as his brother Shay camp in for shad well of course and I know I've got the the the totals somewhere I think I think let's see I've got it here. I'm GonNa tell you right away. Godolphin bought three shadwell bought five five million two hundred fifty thousand for Godolphin with their three purchases his and shad well three million sixty thousand averaging six hundred twelve thousand. Perhaps they're not done obviously they'll buy plenty more Larry Best. You can't hold a big time or sale without Larry Larry the oxo equine when you see it and it mischief he is he he does not see into mischief that he doesn't WanNa buy unbelievable he buys the Sealy Hill Colt bred by Bon John and consigned by gateway that was nine hundred fifty thousand also took home the into mischief that her draken fielding three quarters of a million dollars for that one that was twenty eight early in the sale the top Philly Medaglia d'oro not not surprising out of the Flatter Mayor Sto Shoe Barbara Banke Snow Street buys this one read by the brand names nine hundred thousand hip one fourteen stonestreet really on on both sides selling telling and buying plenty active and the a lot to digest out of not just day one but this book one activity and we'll get some of the best stories from Jessica Martini when she joins us and the thing that's amazing. I Dunno if you saw any other quotes from Bob Ellison but of the three book one sessions this wasn't necessarily the one that they expected to have the kind of fireworks. It's hard to do book one book two comparisons but session one versus session one this was this was very strong and it didn't start out I I watched about the I must have been the first hour and a half and then had to do some things eighteen came home and we sat outside that's coffee and watched the middle portion of the the action. I missed the two and a half million dollar seller live and then did catch the second two million dollar purchase a little later her and this was this was a great way to start the long road of two weeks of Horse Sale so we'll get Jessica her her colleague Brian Denardo will join US Thursday. We'll have live from Lexington tomorrow. He's on hand and we'll we'll see how everything out of these these first major sessions they'll take Thursday off and then book to Friday and Saturday so just really one of the most interesting fortnight's of the calendar the Keeneland Sale Nice diverse. It seemed like a very diverse group of buyers will see with Jessica asked the say happened to note you know some of the top sellers going to Japanese interests. You had plenty of partnership type activity what thing I didn't really delve into in terms of the buyers will ask Jessica what she saw out of curiosity of regarding some of the the pin hook interests curious looking down on the pages print it out it just the nine pages and then there was a widow the last the last seller last seller went on the went by itself quarter of a million dollar Judd actually buying a union rags colt out of wild forest that was the last I hadn't seen the until now hadn't really noticed what is the last purchase but now Peter Bisi Peter Bradley hundred eighty late in the sale for a quality road philly tap it Philly for Len Green. Dj Stable that could be a pin hook procurement as it happens Arnaiz were aren't as I think we're twenty nine percent. I think that's the number that I saw so we'll flesh out the rest of the stories when Jessica Martini joins us and as we always say it's never too early uh on these conversation mornings never too early for a Martini when it's Jessica Martini from the TV end and great coverage average by Nicole Russo also by the team at a lot of horse. There's just virtually every nook and cranny of the sale L. activity gets covered especially these these big early sessions today will watch for a few prominent broodmares in particular some personal favorites Catherine Sophia her first foal goes today as three a one and the band Ross Alley at a very nice day yesterday couple of curling's for eight hundred thousand Carlin had an excellent day again and of Kirwin so big Saratoga carrying carrying the stair the sale day at the spa her her second baby is a tap philly. Catherine Sofia's Philly is by pioneer the Nile quite a few notable pioneer the Niles today brownie points the lovely Brownie points and the now he's got this colt by. I pioneer the Nile today as well believe you can Airdrie Very Jones. The Kentucky Oaks Oaks winning filly. She's got a warfront coal that sure to be sure search absolutely sure to be popular buehler appealing Sophie very strong female family frosted a lot of people watching the frosted also Denali holy cow just looking at some of the the hipster watch the Coal Rousseau had put together with your memories early very early today Winter Memories Philly tap it Darby Dan of course little unusual to see them sell affiliate usually it's the boys usually it's the boys that sell and they keep the phillies but here's a chance to Vanni into one of the really strong female families and of course we talked yesterday with Catman you heard him in the last hour on the replay winter sunset sunset and this is the full sister. Actually this would be if it's tap it Yep tap it with your memories so full sister Mr Two now the I think he's actually this is that does your second stake at Indiana so lie as always we're we're fascinated and and captivated by the sale and had we'll look forward to it and conversations the next couple of days as well said tomorrow we're going to have I guess that it's been too long between visits and Rob Whiteley as respected a breeder and and heard manager as there's there's been in the second half of of the century and into the into the two thousands rob you know only got a handful of Mares. There's these days just six of them but he's going to join us. After this break to talk about the the Mayor Cover limit yesterday I thought Matt Hegarty dirty was terrific talk about the nuts and bolts of the story but the first littler literally the first person I thought of to bring some historic perspective to this was rob widely and for those that over the years of Red Rob's insights about the industry and about breeding in the TD end and when he would write the op eds and and so forth you know just how thoughtful they a he is a and I think he'll get a valuable perspective particularly about how this affects how this could potentially benefit the smaller breeder who is the one that has been at the greatest disadvantage edge against these these large books the biodiversity Oh diversity topic. I don't know that that that jury seems to be out but because you know there's a certain I said this yesterday. There's a certain base of stallions out there these days so rob widely is gonNA join us and delighted the any any reasons a good reason to talk to Rob leap at this was particularly appropriate. I thought for you to hear from Rob Dick Powell. We'll talk talk about yesterday at Press Kyle and the mile yesterday. There's that there's that again the earl of back earle mack one that he that he owed by himself not in partnership Mr Reds Josie Carroll comes in and wins the press Kyle Mile yesterday there was also the malvern rose and also the finger lakes yesterday the aspirin and the lady figure we'll get those results it eddie surly top of hour to talk about the weekend in more detail about the action that Belmont all the good racing that lies ahead hopefully hopefully surprises might actually would if you raise it. It was crazy parade of how how crazy was it until a certain point I think on Sunday the longest price of the first three days of Belmont was the Chad Brown steak witter the paid close to twenty dollars. that that that one the the Christie cat turf war right we're going to also I'm really looking forward to Glenn Todd and daughter. Shelly todd odd hour three. You saw what they did. At at Hastings they've won a lot of races over the years gone dot has at at ace things but they won the British Columbia Derby the British Columbia Oaks and one of the one of the supporting stakes so we'll talk to the to add more take a break good rob Whiteley but we come back. It's the races who's with feedback on Sirius Xm radio hey what's going on. Mike here and I'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends friends at express but let's be honest. We know you love playing the race but you can't always make it's at attract. Sometimes life just gets in the way of a good bet well. 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The industry digested the suggestion from the Jockey Club to to limit the registration of foles by Sires to one hundred and forty and this is something that the standard bread it industry is done when this came about when you know this was being discussed them and floated person. I thought that I wanted to hear from I and that everybody would enjoy hearing from would be rob. Widely who has had such a thoughtful approach to industry issues I tire career and it's a career that just distinguished in so many ways so many horses as as a breeder as is a CO breeder with with Tom Evans trackside farm and the as an agent picking out horses Fox field. Hey there's the whole segment would be dominated rob. If I talked about your accomplishments Good Morning Good Morning Steve Rob. This was something I talked to you yesterday off air and and I said you know rob. Whiteley is is the right kind of person to hear from about this Jockey Club book size limit concept and with with all the different areas that that you touched on and and your expertise was contributed to I wanted to get your reaction to this idea well. I'm thrilled by this proposal. Steve that the Jockey Club trying to look out for all of this really trying to look out for the welfare of the industry over the long haul they they don't have the clout to fix the industry. They don't have the clout. Will you need so you know it would uh-huh Robbo that had a little phone I talked to rob yesterday for forty five minutes and the phone didn't cut out once yeah they did. She call him back if you were that's unbelievable we we yesterday afternoon Robin. I talked I mean we talked to the different things to meadow star and some of some of the favorites that he was involved in and and for those of you that that it was rob is kind of pulled back over the last five six years. He's still has a half a dozen mayors but and he's also seventy seven seventy eight and the US and Roman ruler Al Corridor on Anoc batch of silver midnight lute. Let me so many different rob I was I was telling everybody we talked for forty five minutes yesterday and the phone. I have one one second where your phone was problematic unbelievable but you're back yeah. I'm I'm back everything. I'm really applauding CHAKI clubs making this proposal and for encouraging discussion related to the long-term well-being. I'm I'm thrilled because typically are fragmented industry goes about its business wearing sleeping masks with no no are very very little vision related to how to make things better for the future for everyone so crush the industry into planning for the future as you know cell tower we can develop an overall business plan good for everybody there by growing the the industry as a whole so I'm I'm very happy that the hockey club showing leadership in some way that might think make things better what are the industry are free and let me let me say here asking bit scallions owners not the breeders this is often misunderstood esteem honors in solids and to call when breeders. It's a misnomer the previous cup this misnomer the breeders in the mirror owners who maintain their mayor for year Jennifer to hoops to get them cycling in Brad Hope hope to get their mayor pregnant up for a live phone and then sway that a year and a half until yearling sale time hoping to get there and were sold to at least cover cost so this jockey club proposal is proactiv unhappy very trusting problem Fuchs Butch touch it will help it rob explain explain explain how the proliferation of of these enormous books and in excess of two hundred and some cases I mean the the number kept growing it went from sixty to eighty to one hundred to one hundred twenty five and the next thing you know you have stallions that are intimate with two hundred and thirty covers how how did that hurt and how has that hurt. The you know the the small to obedient size quality breeder well it's developed by supply and demand obviously but really had an impact particularly on the little sky numbers of marriage being bread now compared to when I came into the business down more than fifty percent and the twelve thirteen years the number to spread declined because we lose more and more small breeders and commercial for either to not wealthy enough key losses tax write offs extensively Lucy Little Guy. We seem industry a long term viable business you you just slowly dying from the Chinese league in a toe and the breeder has the purchase rights the mayor thirty dollars a day. It's about thirteen eighteen grand for carrying them every year including fees and transported back and forth to bringing Chan then way too often when the Mary Mary needs to be bred may not be able to get to the stallion when you need to because the huge number manners book to the I'm particularly day might be lying down number can get in this means. You're which later in the year toward the lake cover could end up with a May fall which which is furnished although wrongly punished and salesroom. What are you kidding end up with no successful cover and go empty for the year? If you go empty for the year you've lost all your your money. You've lost your opportunity cost. If you're trying to make going mayor you lost the running track to help here Merican establish no there many ways to the smog raiders and the Commercial Marshall Breeders without the pocket affected and when we when we lose them as we are and continue to industry itself is going to we can't go forward Jackie Club is primarily concerned with the concentration in in the gene pool and forty three stallions with over one hundred and forty mayors in some incredibly like you mentioned into Michio with books over two hundred the huge amount of concentration I'm. I'm not a geneticist so I'm not qualified to now more speculate with this concentration. May mean for industry and uh-huh viability is free so I'm hoping that we'll hear from more qualified people in me on that score but I I do know that oversized books are often harmful to readers. That's just the way that I recounted recounted financially but in a number of other related waves as far as the long-term effect in the industry. We've we've got a couple of related. It'd issues that I don't really care people talk much about one is that exported so much of quality headline children last thirty thirty units proportional importation of quality bloodline. I I think that impacts the the integrity is the chain going forward three American gene pool and in many cases American breeders buyers tires largely turn up their noses high-quality foreign imports haven't seen them raced in front of him or well. It's not being hike in some way by the media the other people who influenced opinions the other and maybe even the most important concerning in this is related to there's a large books. It's a stallion owners to allow that breeding them very large numbers of mayors to first year stallion and and otherwise I'm proven stallions I think that's detrimental to the long term well being the the American Gene Pool and my suggestion for protecting improving the gene pool would-be to go along with the Jockey Club. She allowed the breathing of a hundred and twenty two hundred forty mares to proven stallion but only only half that number of time. I think a lot better off at the end of the zero rob and that that's one of the parts of this that that would be would be fascinating and I'm anxious to hear from you. Talk about geneticists and you know the type of people that study the biodiversity issue but just just the idea idea that that there would be several hundred covers that would be pushed down to that middle portion of stallions wins whether they're whether they're you know first year at a low price or or whether they're established that you know that are are not as popular as they used to be but the just the opportunity to get quality mares. I mean there's obviously a certain percentage of of premium Mares and quality mares. I suppose they're still going to get to those you know those elite stallions but there would be equality mayors that would would be forced a little further down you know the sire lists the general sire lists that would get opportunities. He's and and that you have you have no idea what that could yield. I think makes the point it's also it makes a lot of spent for building the strong values community to have they they have more stallion having an opportunity right now we're we're sort of a microcosm of America where concentration of power and wealth in fewer and fewer hands and there's less for the Little Guy Hi and describing this lost you hear rob for a minute a bad spot boy now see get back that we lost okay so frustrating yeah they should back one more time. Please and it's amazing. Yesterday we talked and I got I know he's got a he's got at the back surgery coming up next week and he's had a series of back surgery but I know he's got a mentioned that he's got a doctor's appointment that aw he's leaving for North vs. I don't think he was traveling but I I'm just going to pull up the sire list and there we go rops back rob. I you got your back yard. Yeah sorry that's our it's all right we I was pulling. I was pulling up a sire tireless and the the just interesting even even sire even aspire like like a lemon drop kid who's long established and comes comes from a a line that isn't necessarily sales fashionable. I'd imagine that if we talked about the the some of the forces the economic forces that created this whole scenario I suppose this goes back to probably starts with storm cat to a large degree but there was that period where the only thing anybody cared about was was how a horse looked in the sales ring and if they were big and raw and rangy if they dine a former sons and daughters and King Mambo that that got you a much more raw looking yearling that wasn't going to be all that pretty and shiny to buyers in the ring you know that that had to have contributed to you know concentrating attention on on fashionable sires tires and and the demand for their progeny wish. I could say that that's changed a lot. You know you don't think that uh-huh well I you were talking about the you know the concentration and it being a reflection of society at large and I and I I suppose that that's you know that that's one of the interesting elements of this. Is that you for the most part the the interest in the sport you would think would be against interference with market conditions and yet that's essentially what this is and it's being it's being well received. It seeps the most part well. I'm happy to hear you're talking about to propose something yeah yeah I'm happy to hear that because it just makes basic sense you know and of course it's a twenty year commercial breeder myself. I'm the breeder and it certainly makes sense for the greeters large and small you know the main main reason I'm in favor of it is finally gives the breeder something more of a fair shake. It's increasingly difficult for readers can make ends meet and turn a profit and that's why they're disappearing appearing and these huge books greatly increased difficulty especially when some you know like transparency wrong okay yeah with the final book size will be so it's nothing ready dispiriting dispiriting to read your mad to stallion insane this they've got they've been bred to two hundred either mayors and then when you go out there and you have to compete with huge number of others and you know one of compare where Whoa it you might have a really really good running by thirty other really really good one. your notice might be shuffled down the priority list. There are many ways. I'm excited for this proposal. I hope it extracting I hope it's not even a little more in terms of the concentration going forward after see our place out and rob one one thing that occurs to me to the we've we've right away saw that there were suggestions that that some of the some of the farms most effected would might be compelled to do. It's a shuttle if they aren't shuttling currently and and if that if I suppose there's the potential from an on an international basis if if there's going to be if there's going to be more sons and daughters of North American sires sires out in the world what you referenced in terms of bringing you know foreign stock foreign born stock has been the introduction of foreign bloodstock. We look at candy ride it you. The history of of American breeding is is is been bolstered forever by the introduction of of international bloodstock. I I am so literally and apparently overlooked in practice candy right the first Oh shit couple of years he was he's John Secures Lyndale farm. I've read I've read eight mayors key Candy Right Clinton Saleh single one for profit because the American mentality it's not international stike and of course she went on terrific sire anyone on approval and south over time and went up the ladder the hard way but what what most in my opinion pins don't realize internalize is our whole world slowly becoming global and we need to you get with it in that regard this this could be the this this could be a a an important important staff at something that that has the very tangible benefit for the health of of the marketplace and there's a lot of moving parts rob before we go got to ask you what these days a you know you you've paired pared back yet. You still have got six mayors of your own but what what what do you continue to be most proud of in your career. Then tried right of actually is twenty twenty three years ago. I got a small group of friends to join with me and we put the a hard time workers educational assistance by to give scholarships to Horse Farm fulltime horse farm workers kids kids who were trying to education after high school and it's still thriving the wonderful organization Tation and hopefully continue get support rob any reason to any reason I can find the get you to join us is a good one and with far too who long since we talked last and good luck with I told everybody while we're getting you back at one point. You gotta another back surgery coming up and this one does the trick i. I know it's been a it's been a battle for you on that front looking Cyrus charm well sometimes. It's sometimes it's not the first foal the second fall sometimes it takes a few cracks out right. Absolutely I made a whole career out of picking up fun mayors where other people gave up so yeah five good number rob thanks so much and we'll talk again soon all right so long Steve. 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This is at the races he's with Steve Bishop on Sirius. XM Radio Sky we're back at the races about ten twelve minutes to the top of the Hour Eddie certainly joins us look next right now Dick Powell and last night we were looking forward to the press kyle smile they also ran the Pennsylvania Brad malvern Rose Dick Good morning good night for woodbine shippers 'cause they're in one two and the press guy a mile run OUTTA mile at sixteen and so it was a it was a game as the one because had husbands who usual seat on all kind of reminds me of Ramon Dominguez he's as way up over the withers and not down low like some writers and he has a tremendous record going on so listen to relax from well. This is a fast pace and it was a contestant so when he kind of made that bold move onto the half-mile pole. I'm like Oh but that's that's GONNA be tough to hold on Sunday and he spurted at the top of the stretchy opened up from what about a day like the ones who had been chasing him started to you know run out of energy and then Special Forces in Alan Garcia closed-off got five six wide around the far turn you got up to second the was no real threat to the winner and Mr Ritz as he mentioned owned by Earl Mac who's done in a circle time slightly wounding Saturday and and a new track from Mile Sixteenth one forty one point nine one always look look good. He came off of gray great tree one up at Woodbine on its pita comes down here one's a two thousand dollar steak rates on it to pita and he via waste stream which is what tough breads and Doug Prints on with them. Go with them but you got a nice. My thoughts and Jones is always dangerous when when she should sensors as you gotTa Really Watch out when Chelsea comes in the bed of responded to that conveyed Mr Birth Twenty three to ten favorite restaurant up turning out logical the top three Pixel finished first third second you know it was a good job the handicapped and yet with the first the favorite over the third choice that comes back thirty five dollars that was terrific price Nice Nice Renewal Alma this that Mac actually bred in Great Britain and and funny just finished with Rob Whiteley talking about the imports this happens to be this happens to be a Colt. This is not the the gelding's out of an Argentinian Mare so all some of the things we just talked about with rob on display here and of course Ohio came even as well from del Mar for Michael McCarthy and ran well he ran okay and ended up third in here and you had the one of the nice things about a steak like this is always for the for the local fans and I see the time I went to Charleston for for the classic Joel Rosario came into town and and and road and was on high north for instance for shook and obviously the Canadian jocks aren't Garcia and husbands don't necessarily have the same following but I mean for the for the locals the Joe L. and Tyler Gaffney own came in and and he wrote so you know it's always one of the Nice Nice treats for for local fans when the regional some of these regional to whether it's the like Wow Derby Day and Indiana Derby Day those kinds of things people really come out for that Oh definitely it was a treat and also the race held up very well. We attend stars in the race and I talked last. I think sometimes a Lotta horses on term than they don't start patent plan one in Ohio look like he kind of got victimized by the rally rallied repulse one and got a little shuffled back when what's up dude mister rich Rabe we get to the fun he was Kinda in traffic traffic shuffled back the v Ben came on again and he was he was a very good third that was that was a tough efforts and but the winner was man I I I didn't I did not think he could hang on that last half mile because he was on the pressure and they were they were running and and I looked at all the other time platelets even nothing sticks out and the other races were not particularly fast and this one kind of jumps off the page which hard final time and everything and I had a nice pace the setup but you gotta be interesting to see what what Josie does with this one. What does she tries Breeders Cup Mile on Turf Dirt Mile? She's been us onto the Breeders Cup or anything like that and Max Pretty Game sees one. I think it was the first Melbourne on cut by the one thing he just missed one go anywhere when a good horse especially in some on here with Mr the rent's now and of course combined with the team valor over the weekend in New York so yeah he he's. I'll tell you what earl Mac right now I think has got as many prominent horses I can ever remember right yet. You know the one I remember 'cause he was he was in the first stall and how passion on the excellent tipper the Big Big New York breadth that Mr Mac hat and he won five six hundred thousand state by state races and stuff like that and he was with Howie fears and he's been Europe is in America breathing's led the type losses like that's one yeah and any you know he said something Saturday. I really appreciate it. You win a big race and once the first question that's next and even like it kind of very kindly said I'd like to enjoy the spun off instead of like thinking for what do you got next okay but so you just won the race like enjoy it a little bit without pondering where they're gonna go especially hadn't seen him in Barry. Irwin said I really consulted on the topic but you know Mac was a gentleman. The Way who praised events turn Dr Tension in addition to the mile last night right ahead of it it came to Pennsylvania bred filly race and the three year olds for the Malvern Auburn rose and you know just the fact that Ellen foxwoods they paid one hundred twenty thousand a for the Decca and kind of kind of interesting that the roths quite quite white eager to take advantage of the state bread program here and come in and run one hundred thousand dollars steak and she cut back to a mile first time on synthetic although at at Fair Hill Arnaud Delacour can can worker and has worked steadily the synthetic track too so the Decca a nice winter was I think third third choice an era under Danielson now I'm in Mexico Point Fair Hill notice her workouts. The last work was is on the one before that was on third of hill the last time that would be so when it says training track shots Tita when so say he'll nothing just fast dirt though when when Irish war cry was down there he was training on Dirk not necessarily the Peter but that had been training on both services have been racing on turf and here we have a colonial downs shipper which we haven't sent him a longtime shipping in winning US winning steak race. That's that's right Kelly Steve 'cause I my top. It kills redeem my heart handle one guns to the front look like it might hang on with that car ran down so pay nine forty ready to play so that's nice but I thought redeem my heart out a big shot the race win and thirty eight point six one granted PA breads but it was watching this rates. He didn't have any idea that Mr Ritz was going to run that fast but that's where I saw them much slower pace with mister rich rates I mean they were voted. Invite out escape and but that's what the Nice one full of Becker and you know she has all sorts of options available now. She's the stakes winning doing so doesn't answer so value on Jay talk towards and I thrived by Daniel Santana 'cause he stayed in contact with the slow pace and took over one. We had late in the game. You mentioned the colonial shipping shipping. It's quite notable looking at these two steaks and we'll see it later with the masters when the when the phillies and mayors come in to go to go oh the seven eighths but you had horses come in from colonial Penn National Delaware Parks Laurel monmouth Del del Mar high north was last seen at Oaklawn Arlington Mountaineer and we mentioned Woodbine already ten different tracks showing up at Bresca pretty cool now what what the next Monday we go to the big one press a master's four hundred thousand dollar grade to sixth Mesterolone so we've got that coming up and that usually has three this cup implications. That's certainly rice found for fans out there absolutely absolutely well how about how about the bread and butter action well. The jocking rocky chase has now even though off. We're auto has one hundred nine winners. Pablo Morales has a hundred nine one mm-hmm auto has eighty six second places Pablo Morales has successfully placement. I'd say a pretty tight race and and they run seventy seven days Reysen so that's six hundred sixteen races and these two riders have won two hundred eighteen of those races thirty five you go from hundred nine and that's right Scott speak with forty seven running on forty two drops off pretty significantly weekly so Scott Auto and morality is just killing it and sh should go right down to the wire and side by is we. We had a more mature sports betting market. It'll be a nice proposition wager that even at this point Oh you don't always have to do these things before then begins. That's true you can straps at any point and I don't know what I would go. I mean guy had I been about ten ahead now. Morale is caught him with the ball money one little bit higher but still that's amazing. They both both have a hundred nine second-place finishes. Jerry Brooke continues to lead the train is on the Second Theresa Conley Third John Berks guidance kind of up to He's now fourth with twenty four one but no real changes in the placings brooks suspend ahead the whole thing looks like you continue to be a I talk about the math this week and don't forget up on bounce dot com click on racing. My daily picks her up there and one of the Nice things they do is they have everything are cuts so you WanNa look at last night. You could see that we have the cold exact in the master's and almost redeem my heart and the Melbourne rose but even the nice when I go racer up there and you can leave the analysis and hopefully if something out of it tonight tonight. I'm going to start out with a coal double. rainfall Marmalade is even money on the morning line. That's usually a sign. The horse is going to be three to five five one ten times here. Kyle drops down in class towards kind of a drop down and motherly looks tough guy on also. We'll just play a cold double with the nine Cambian. They've Mark Crafts had this one increase starts over the Peter all good absent graduated yet but multiple starts early in his crew against much better than they've been so we'll go cold early. Double Fis excuse me for one nine four nine to five and this is a pretty tonight's race here with the Chiro optional climate sixty thousand five hundred not one. That's over race track to good field of seven. I'm go at New York groove and this is the common of new era racing is pod Boston was partnerships and I ran into todd the last Saturday the meeting he was in town for one of the horses rice and so just by chance. I happen to see him catch up with him. John Borgen's China just robbed opt in its first start came from off. The pace wasn't going away look like a really nice really nice philly so she's taken on boys this time but I think she's more than good enough to do it. So I'm just GONNA play a cold exactly here five with one report bear creek and flying unprepared to number pretty decent prices on the morning line five with one four cold executive and race number five and then in finale race eight. I like seventy-two Shoddy Jer by engelhardt ships in L. A. Page what's kind of even third beaten seven lights and did they that was against better now drops down class race over the track class drop. I think of enough he gets the job done right which the Pablo Morales so we'll key. La Page with the sex I buy I oughta rides for Dan. Conway Junior Conway's shipping from being late and winning thirty six percent the ones that he does bring in the fun. just looks like it's pets and we'll see if I can get them involved early but five six in the US that's right by the way to go for at style them very nice now certainly nice time of year and it doesn't seem like the deer have jumped the fence at all this year where they haven't been invading their the racetrack deck. I appreciate it. We'll talk Thursday. We'll talk Kong and some interesting results Saturday and of course the return tomorrow of happy the Valley to the landscape to let's take a break top of the hour little past. Andy serling joins US NEXT APPALOOSAS the races with Steve on Sirius. XM Radio Amazing achievements were Pennsylvania breads on the world stage states. Thanks to find a city unique Bella and shamrock rose. 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Hi digesting still the the action from the weekend and I mentioned everybody yesterday Ah just hitting the highlights about the Spanish mission win the the point you made about the difficulty of American three year olds at this time of year versus the euro's you to go with this route ground. Only I mean a euros have extensive experience first of all their pedigrees general or probably more tilted are the horses we're going to see certainly on these races are more tilted towards longer distances than ours. Also they have extensive experience at this time. I'm going to look at the peace of the Europeans that came over here. whereas there are no a mile quarters the farthest harvest right the Belmont Derby and the Belmont oaks the farthest they would ask real nasty race. There are need to be fair. You know we offer thyroid allowance race in extensive great allowance big purses ninety thousand was grant does the three year old races of anything and in all likely that people aren't going to try them now you saw care McGraw Commanding Tommy Albatros Iran third imports in the oaks and run that I it Sarasota and it probably benefited them but we just we don't really have the opportunity and experience for three year olds I mean look at we have this abundance of three year old turf stakes and they're shorter distances and so the Europeans in what's looking at who Europeans brought over Aidan O'Brien brought over seventeen today team best horses for other races or ineffective effect basically and but but people Europeans others say no right. I didn't bring for this race. They brought the right worse. As being there were six Europeans to rent one to the oaks and the three the three that ran in the the derby finished one two three they had extensive distance experience. They were okay whereas I mean they weren't worldbeaters. They were okay and they had real experience on the turf doing long and obviously give them a huge advantage in these races and continue it all likely if we keep running these longest races in in this series series races make what you will. There was still there fundraisers made I I enjoy them They were logical results in a long shot almost you want. I think that fans mission was was clearly best. One by a desperate knows. I don't think anybody watches argue probably should want more but regardless guardless you could say the same thing for visa who who did not get the best two trips and the winner got the second Irish got US sensational trip but you know they were fundraisers and logical results but once again the Europeans are tremendous advantage talent but I mean I I don't think that if they ran the race tomorrow to sixteen he would have seen a much different result by nate and I don't know it just it just seems like for us. We're going to be disparaging. It hasn't been that the third leg going forward unless something changes when when handicapping these and you mentioned the the big nick price that Pedro Kara that was the longest shot on the board which was that was really but I underestimated the the the talent and the Spanish Derby clearly this year thought it wasn't a strong races. It was clearly a very good. Maybe it's a great Pratt. Maybe the Spanish therapies for the Jockey survey exactly I said that yesterday I said well I don't think ever seen a horse run the US random the Spanish derby. I I can't remember seeing Madrid. I think one of the great things about the races that we learned it was faster but I'll do respect you know I think I obviously had to read the worst thirty eight to one but digital age shouldn't have been five or two people badly misunderstood the imports of distance in that race betting. May I understand usually it's probably the best source. They're going violence sixteen mile and eight but I don't think he's the best source in my lab ridiculous trip I mean he wasn't winning but he was just got about as ridiculous trip in that race as you could possibly get and then let's see threaded well. Threat Blue was coming off the Saratoga win vice really nighthorse but out or is anything anything to take away from the from the girls race not really I mean you know the winters nice as we're not gonna you know the way he's raises for us because we're not gonNA say sorts again. Only take away from it is our horses next to no part of these longest racist. This race was slow right. It's not like it's not like here. McLaughlin source or Tommy over four grand prickly well any seven buyer wasn't a good race. it was fun to watch. I enjoy anti capping it but in the Pantheon on what makes you know big races. It wasn't a particularly wasn't a race. That's going to have any meaning. I mean what's her name. concrete rose would have won if she held a distance yeah yeah back after the courses Biwott yeah rusty actually said yesterday because he had the to win Saturday Kentucky downs kind of took the sting out of not having concrete rose New York. I think he recognized that she would have she would the bid I admire if she handled the distance and she certainly no problem. Our three sixteen be setting a very slow pace but it's not like they're moving after this race on Saturday so I only who knows you know in Iran but judging by what we saw she would've been hard to be how much of that by the way how much much of those splits might that reflect that the turf was maybe softer than good which of course was that one on the Internet the move up the let's see the girl was on the inner. The inner was firmer than the wider on Friday so interesting I I'd have to go back and look at I feel like the air was okay so I don't know race exactly exactly the three year old fillies this year I mean knock coming concrete roses obviously the best while it wasn't in fact close. fair record is didn't move forward three year old so far this year have been somewhat going okay. They're they're really not that good. This is not one person often. We seem pretty strong for your utterly crops. This is not one of them. Did it happens Let me get Did you read on on the the Grand Prix. let despite Marconi not breaking the three divorced was declare speed even Marconi broke decided to rate and rounding go forward my Korean breaks rob curling fifty and change the half on a gold rail so with all of our code obviously proof vests. I I think the only thing we learned from that race were paying attention to be honest. I was surprised the way the whole thing yeah it was it was not run race given especially given that he didn't break brickley sharply and how they just let him go to lead like that. I mean Jeez. I why why was roaming union entered in that race if the intention wasn't to be aggressive and sending the front he's clearly the vast source. They were absolutely walking yet. He was being rated outside unattractive kind inside runners and I know it was the first dry track day at Belmont Belmont but you know you've got to pay attention to the racetrack and don't want has especially in the spring and summer had some gold rails and much like Saratoga was dominated by fraction probably WANNA be inside. You know history recent history Belmont how the inside good it was good out. It was great on Sunday. You know if you're not paying attention to these things. What are you paying attention to? And why would you see an advantage would Marconi of one if he chased roaming union outside the pace baby. You know it's not like any rampantly while Arab north Iran second just suck along the rail right. You're to blame and I'm so I'm I'm going to reserve judgment. I don't you know I don't know we're trying to motion source that one. The burst burst out exactly oh he ran somewhere else. Yes he just ran those other three thousand dollars mile and after it rains there was another you know hundred thousand dollars or something or other exactly right away so I think so oh no he didn't he hasn't run since now you might have been entered. He might right have been entered somewhere of because I swore in this one so that seem weird to me. No idea that's true. The bird stone was violent crowds. That's that's field number. Mile three quarters about three-quarters applied mile halfway though well then and let's focus on a couple of other performances including maiden race that everybody was looking forward to face on Saturday Saturday came up out of a thinker yeah did he came back slow slow slow walking. It was considerably lower than that foreman sonic gold rail service source earlier in the day well. I mean mean to be fair. The winner the winner what's his name again. Alpha's Alpha's the there was three or four wide and the inside it was good and the runner up road the gold rail and the pace was very slow in that race which probably affected somewhat the the Chad Brown Harvey source can run it all democratic values and that were highly how people are money but he was expected to be okay. He did all these terrible and the winner won but it's seventy two buyer one thing you can say about it was slow pace white trip on a good rail so he's probably a bit better than it looks. might be looking for. I bet against the worst rail next time he wants to the Dolphin Horse. that was an odd race yeah. That was one of those races where people said you know things can happen this race and it didn't exactly and it's funny because on on Friday there had been on opening day at Los out there was a a very nice group of maidens as well and that race came back slow Mohawk and the brother of Nolte and that ended up being anticlimactic tactic kind of funny yeah you don't know and most of the first time starters that kind of thing. We'll give them another. Give it another shot you. You know who I want to ask you about. There was that seven furlong turf race and Todd pletcher has halladay lightly race than and seems like there's some place for him to go. I mean certainly from breeding standpoint warfront out of the nice high tap. It'll be a biggie that improved the big fire the racing game you said someplace where to go pedigree thirty seven dollars. There's a problem for three year. Olds like holiday and I think it's the same problem of course a three-year-old like from the Fed faces. These are probably were. This is a somewhat distance limited. They're probably a mile horses. There are no for your old Mile Turf races that I can think of basically this point going forward propulsion right you know where do they go unless they want to cut them back and try sprint you know and try that sprint on October early October. I think Belmont Sprint Championship take a shot and see if they have a world of trouble run Beers Cup turf sprint Amstrong. I don't see how they being affected a mile and ate the whole oh prints maybe toddlers thinking about it but the difference between seven I. I don't think that race was that good how they raise each bigger was very much dominating the front end the compromise. I think the closers in there or maybe close weren't that good but it was more controlled race in the front end but it's hard you know I mean right now. They're just aren't the opportunity yeah we have so many of these steaks art Hogan. Everything's we add this trip triple yet there. Are you know they've got the better talk now. The Toga we've got the like the Paradise Creek and the and that's seven and then you've got race name burning another horse on enjoy normal raisins lie fourth Manila Manila at a mile and then you've got that better talk now circa two mile and that's it. I don't think we have another mile term state for three year olds so you know might be worth thinking about spreading things out and changing things a bit especially. If we'RE GONNA continue to run this triple series right. You've got the pack pebbles for Phillies that we moved from from from Columbus Day to this weekend because we move the sands point 'cause we didn't make the sands point the the jockey club. Oh great to one made these initial races that to the second week in October which is Brazilian Akwa this year but regardless moved out a month. We switched positions uh-huh East to racist figuring Mile Race Moore but we've got that for the film three year old fillies that was all right. We'll see you know tricky. All these races as we keep talking about right obviously you know wasn't it was okay for the Boys Hall of fame came up Solid Saratoga Saranac not but you know we saw the way George obviously with three horses this year and slightly better for the lake placid but obviously the the the there's there's decisions we made about these races where you do it all right. Yes and it's it's a problem. It's a problem on a wider basis to Durban back now that downs and then you've got you know you've got the races. Ah Kentucky downs first year I saw griping about Kentucky downs on twitter. Let the joined the rest of the World Kentucky doing down. Join the rest of US racetracks are people complaining about the twitter this year first time talking to people complain about things on twitter. It was finding people that I was joking on twitter yesterday about when the sales started one that was great. I thought that was it was sir base. People took me seriously not serious twitter feed was nominated by either people complaining about Kentucky downs or talking about the healing sales. What was the complaint? What's what's the complaint was the complaint favorites were winning and there was a speed bias? I be honest. I didn't pay attention to raise this year. It's going there too complicated to do to play unless I'm GonNa actually you know dedicates the real time to looking at them. I don't really feel like that again. That time I'm watching into books after Saratoga than I am working at apiece turf races it w downs her the speed bias and I think speed by his and short prices. I'm putting the I'm I'm trying to condemn the twitter complaints with a neighboring on quite a an expressive of love expressed on twitter so they were do the rest of making me laugh at a couple of other remember that speaking of favorites winning it was a it was a lot the Belmont yes we did and and the funny thing was that the biggest price the first couple of days Chad until the gun on Sunday. The only pay ten dollars was started for today by the way not I don't blame the writer was just one of those things where getting seen seem like that there was a favourite it was the lone speed so tracking that worse and you would think theoretically is the right trip to have gotten as it turns out favorably stop and the pace was extremely fast. Sell Brooklyn ran very well to be second tier four was fortunate to take advantage of that but I'm sure Bundy's works will say that he deserves a break. He does share bad trips. I have to admit Mario's address right. Yes yes bread by Kelly met interesting which is really you know one in where exactly they because they both they're selling this was this was actually a very pricey. This is a four hundred twenty five thousand dollar Saratoga yearling now winner of the prestigious Christie cap in the third start in North America and can't move forward and running the in the in the Pavel's levels because that racist now this weekend could point for fee to is in limbo. She gets older. I mean it's time for the three year olds running as Dole's right yeah September comes. There's no reason it or the clock strikes. Yeah clock strikes midnight for them well. There's those race in Pennsylvania but you know that's why I'm really glad to see that should is pointing coat of arms to the the Jockey Club. Last heard was saying that the past is the same. I'm glad to see that you know those top three year. Olds are running against holders and to me. That's what happened. The fall racing it shouldn't everybody shouldn't be seeing rallying for the Breeders Cup time to take on the olders and to be frank. This is a good year to be taking on the olders with all due respect to preservationists and I'm a fan of the aren't scared anybody this year it's fair looking for what is that a couple of other notes uncle Benny back finally in the win column that saying that eighty fig I think it's too low it just doesn't make sense for the horses and they're they're all better than that disgust that fade with Andy but anyway yeah he did. You know nice good sat up. It was an odd race because it was the second race the day speed turf sprint where the clear speed. That's crashed the gate right. We had the incident that was discussed at the gate to one of the earlier race I need sixth race scratched coming out of the Chute and but but we had the favor of the speed the three worst the Western World Wars boom the boomers he he broke through ran off and by the way incredible performance by overall but Saturday especially by our allies in running down the money well yeah especially numerous wow coach left the course went the dirt and create jobs and the whole it was east vantage point on the third floor studio but just the manner in which they were able to corral these the same thing with I was named escapes me. bozarth guys do a great job. I really do but that changed but yeah they go. You know uncle Oh buddies sorta back. We'll see glee really. Is You know he's got a long way. Though he's a world of trouble. I'll tell you that don't well the world. The troubles got world of trouble now with that that healing and it's looking more and more questionable whether he's GonNa get a shot I'm assuming won't be sharing him until we started deal right. Yes yes. I was going to come into L. Adele yeah I of course well stand to stand with his somebody. Recommend you on the car great one way or the dirt who is that uh-huh once again the Carter as a kingmaker kingmaker one of the world's scrape races well. What's after ten thirty I can go? No you can't what about you. GotTa play for people you can wait and other stuff. I four minutes. You give everybody give everybody a little something for tomorrow. Come on up tomorrow. You're off tomorrow. I am tomorrow offered you were off. Tuesday was awful lot what he's not want Steve. I'm sorry all right almost all off as I recall Oh that's just that's just deserve. That was deserved. Yeah I started the obnoxiousness so you deserved it off tomorrow. I think I think the public will they'll be okay without me. Believe me we're looking ahead looking ahead to the weekend. Let's at least do that. You mentioned the pebbles and people should make some plants. We got some state bread action as well the next week like the vanguard and that's swear that's where that's where the Saka Toga. Is that right cold apparently yeah. That's where they're headed great. That's what I understand. I keep forgetting. We forget it again Tis Tisza. Oh my God law is the law is the law there there we go to the law and because I was looking at the schedule because I've got to prepare Tina for a couple of trips down to Belmont want like the Gold Cup Day everybody that hasn't made plans yet is the twenty eighth and you've got the Gold Cup the Belle dame the pilgrim and the vase Burg and then you come back on Sunday because these are all split up now over the two weekends so be. Are you aware of the way the schedule Falls Ms Grillo is on Sunday and then the following Saturday and Sunday you come back with the turf sprint invitational you referenced the Champagne the hill prince the Joe Hirsch and the matron and then on the Sunday the present and flower lower bowl and the futurity so the last weekend in September first weekend in October for the Belmont Fall Championship races that you're taking them up to now. No I'm not coming if you take them on where on wall Sunday the twenty nineth that okay all right Adamov go to awesome Nice Nice Nice that Nice well Eddie. I appreciate this as always and have more. There's is not the wasn't tonight. Try we had an abbreviated we only had three days you know yawning wanting had just woken up actually nice what's on what's on the agenda today and that have finished reading the new Richard Rousseau book chances are I'm going to meet some friends for lunch and I might go see the load at Lincoln Center nice and I might get my haircut. All those things are on the table. I might go down to the mortgage. Librarian see the Maurice Sendak Exhibit Maurice Sendak absolutely we love Dude Taught Tober. We love chances are the great the great reincarnation movie. The book is very very good now. The book is about Friends From College College Richard Rousseau no reasonable yes yes. Yes yes very good all right uh-huh outstanding and early everybody later see you later. We'll take a bottom of the hour break. Jessica Martini never too early for Martini when it's Jessica Martini from the C._D._N. She's next

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Calling All Three-Year-Olds - January 16, 2021

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Calling All Three-Year-Olds - January 16, 2021

"And they're all spendthrift farm presents calling all three year olds with bobby. Newman the road to the roses. Kicks back in this week. Or should i say the roads to the roses after all horses can take the new york road. Florida road the california road or several other options to reach the final goal. The kentucky derby this week both in new orleans and arkansas roads. Get some traffic. Let's start with the great three lacob stakes at fairgrounds today. A big field of eleven entered the mile and a sixteenth test with the highly touted mandolin. The likely favorites despite drawing a tough post position. He's two for two sprinting and kentucky working very well of late and bread to handle the extra distance today being by intimacy if out of an empire maker mayor but it's definitely not just man delun in everyone else midnight. Bourbon is coming off shortly off for top trainer. Steve asmussen after being graded states placed twice as a two year. Old arabian prince also comes off a great states. Place performance in the kentucky jockey club last out then there are up and comers beep beep proxy regular guy game day play santa cruiser manor house and dynamite. All coming off wins in the most. Recent stars added up. And you've got the makings of very contentious rates. The winner gets ten valuable derby points next. Friday is opening day at oaklawn park and the one mile smarty jones stakes is the feature once again. Ten derby points go to the winner of this race that starts the oaklawn path which traditionally includes the southwest rebel and arkansas. Derby rat cox trained kato river vigorous to be one of the favorites in the smarty jones. I eat torched his maiden rivals. By almost ten lengths boeing the one turn mile churchill downs. Last time out oxy also could be better going to turns. Remington parts springboard mile victor senior. Brusca cadore is another possible entrant and he would be a major factor if he shows up speaking of brad cox he may have a tough time keeping his talented three year olds apart while man. Cato river represent him this week. He's got two year old champion essential quality back in training and waiting in the wings to all be back with this week's top five list right after this word from spendthrift malibu moon the sire of seventeen great one winners on dirt. Second in the world only to tap tap it. Among active sires malibu moons progeny have won as many or more of america's most celebrated dirt races as any active sire especially for three year old colts including the kentucky derby florida derby santa. Anita derby and arkansas derby among others a living legend malibu moon. ap indies best sire standing at spendthrift farm. this week's top five list of derby contenders looks like this number one. Essential folly undefeated the two year old champ looking to either the risen star or the southwest states for his three year. Old debut number. Two life is good undefeated son of intimacy. If at the great to san felipe. Eight or great to rebel for his next start number three senior boost or another one whose undefeated big win in the springboard mile last time out may run the smarty jones this friday or the risen star gory thirteenth at fairgrounds number four mandolin. Another one whose undefeated. He's running today in the lecomte and number five prime factor and impressive maiden winner gulfstream in december undecided. For his next start. That's you're calling all three year old segment presented by spend three hours far.

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