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Episode 37: Joan Rivers, can we talk?

Can We Talk?

12:47 min | 5 months ago

Episode 37: Joan Rivers, can we talk?

"Huber is. Phooey stripped everything. Dan and very August seven boys. Oh come on. Can we talk? Let's stop this nonsense. Welcome back to. Can we talk the podcast of the Jewish women's Archive Bre gender history and Jewish culture mood? I'm donny rouse. And I'm Judith Rosen. Were so excited to welcome you back for our spring season and we're kicking it off with a two part series on none other than the at -rageous talented comedian. Joan Rivers Joan rivers career spanned nearly six decades she started with cabaret and off Broadway shows in the late fifties and then became a star of late night television hosting the tonight show and the late show with Joan rivers and eventually the daytime Joan rivers show in the nineties. She was best known for her comedic and sometimes mean-spirited interviews with celebrities on the Red Carpet John. Style was self deprecating abrasive. Everyone was fair game including herself. She charted new territory and comedy by telling stories from her own life combined with her willingness to talk about taboo subjects like hot flashes sagging bodies bad sex and marriage problems. You may have noticed that we borrowed our podcast. Name can talk from this hilarious. Talented and complex Jewish woman. Can we talk? Was Jones signature. Tagline sometime. She's it as a punchline. Sometimes it was a setup. It was an invitation to her audience. A signal that she was about to confide in them. Here's Joan on the show in the early. Nineteen Eighty S. I would not cheat. I would not cheek Maine because nobody asked me but I not because I think why we talk. I think my husband's spooner man okay. Which is very hard to save. I feel very close to you. I especially if you can. We talk was also Jones way of calling attention to her flaws and other people's her way of saying let's stop pretending and tell the truth here. Can we talk? Let me tell you something. The reason I have nothing happy the way I'm blessed is because I'm getting older at least seven very drop because Oh oh you don't know what it's like to get older too. You know what it's like to go in the morning to take facial mask and realize you're not wearing what so. Why did we borrow her? Tigon FOR OUR PODCAST. When we started the show Joan had recently died and we were all steeped in the debate about her role and her complicated legacy as brilliant and hilarious. But also crass and sometimes cruel. We love that. She had so many dimensions and that she believed in telling the truth about women's lives and expanding the range of models. We see all things we knew we wanted to do to. We also liked that. Can we talk was an invitation to our audience to join us in this project of storytelling and with that. Here's a wonderful interview from J W as archive recorded in two thousand six for our documentary. Jewish women in comedy making trouble. Joan talks about her early days at the Chicago. Comedy Clubs Second City being a woman on Johnny Carson's tonight show and playing midwestern clubs as New York Jewish comic later in the interview. She talks about going back to work after her husband's suicide in nineteen eighty seven. She starts by telling Interviewer Rachel. Talbot about a fight. She had with her parents over her decision to go into comedy. I left my house in pedal pushes enter old car that I used to drive and went to New York in speaking of the year and it was just awful and my dad wrote me a letter say that we are going to You'd better come home or we're going to have you committed. I was living in the bars on hotel for women and my dad wanted says and pulled me out. It was a scene. I think they ever forgot dragged me out. It was just horrible scene Harles. They just thought I was really life as though question about it. They just couldn't accept that. This is where I was going to end. This is all I could do so the I went back home and then I went away. Yeah it was just awful and then Pity yes that was great. Second City was very competitive. It was six of US thrown on stage. And it was make up your own lines and get your own scenes going and everybody wanted to be the star second city and everybody wants to get their stuff and so it wasn't like being gracious. It was like I got a better idea I wanted. It was very competitive and that was great too. I learnt in second city. You have to talk up and I learnt the freedom of you. Think it's funny try it. Don't wait don't think about it. I still do that if freed me. It taught me to be tough. It taught me to fight. If you thought you're Si was good you went into four four and a taught me co with your instinct. Only do what you truly think is going to be funny. It changed my life and then you you came back to New York Nissan. You learn so much from second cities are how had your comic persona change came. When I came back with second city I was myself onstage. Good bed or different. I was what I was and I was a divorced when no Jewish smart college graduate not particularly attractive girl on stage and I was telling you about my life. It wasn't about my mother-in-law was about what I'm going through my mother's hysterical because I'm single and I'm having an affair with a married man and my gay friends. What happen to my gay friends and it was all about truth. The first routine that really worked. I had a WIG hairpieces. I was driving into New York to perform at this club. And the WIG flew out of the window and a car drove over it and I said there I was walking on the west side highway. With a dead Wigan my arms had says firestone on and no one stops and all the truth and taking the truth and exaggerated and it just opened me up. I never went back. I never went back to. He's so fat that unless I really believe when did you find out Johnny Carson? Nothing in my career. I think that's why I was that you log come easily ever. I've never been the first on anything all my friends. And that time I was working the village with my George Carlin and Richard. Pryor all these wonderful men everybody got through everybody was on Carson and on Griffin and I was brought up seven different times to the Carson show. I was finally rejected by Secretary. Who is eating lunch while I was performing? I mean beyond humiliating. I got on because the night before some comic bom so they called me up and they said you can come on but not as a comedian. They had no faith in me. They brought me on as a girl writer and at the end of the show at the end of that night on air. Johnny Carson said to me you're going to be a star it was maisy and I look behind me. I couldn't believe and the next day. My life change changed overnight. They were getting all these calls and stuff. Was there ever a feeling of like? Oh you're to New York reports. I was doing costume regularly. I don't think it was hosting really I was you know the Golden Girl Carson and the ages come back and say you to New York to Jewish you to New York and my husband was married by that point. Ed You said this is ridiculous. He said picked the worst city in the country. And they said Milwaukee they still have been meetings. This is nine hundred seventy. There's still enclaves. They dress up Nazi uniforms and saw Adolf stand. He said center Milwaukee. And let's see and they sent me to Milwaukee and I was. They had to change the size of the room and put in the ballroom. Our I put originally in a little hotel the pfister in their little comedy room and they had to over the ball and put me in so that changed everything they said. Okay America will get her. I mean people begin to put little pockets and it's so stupid because funny is funny. You're minutes was using back on state. What was that decision? The decision was very simple. One I know money I had to go back to work. I didn't have the luxury of being the widow in the house on the hill so I had to go back to and nobody wanted me and Vegas gave me back my contracts. 'cause isn't nobody wants to see anybody that has that kind of you would just fired. would terrible glistening one out that. I was very hard to work with It was just all wrong all wrong. I was banned from late night. I've never been brought back ever not one late night show So I was really struggling my career and I had all these bills. Listen was in. It was just a bad time so I went back to little nightclubs. I said well I'll start again. I went back and started doing little like us and out of that came the red carpet which I only went on because nobody else wanted to do it. They said you're gonNA stay Paparazzi and talk to do anything and she did do everything. A fashion line a season on celebrity apprentice a TV show called the fashion police and of course her celebrity interviews on the red carpet. Some people saw this phase in her career as a sign of desperation. But Judith could you read it in a different way? Do you think you know even know Jones said that she went back to work. Because you need the money. I think what she really needed was to work. She was someone whose identity was defined by her work. She was ambitious and she was always upper reinvention. Joan rivers died in two thousand fourteen from complications. After a routine surgery she left a full and varied legacy including decades of stand up comedy a dozen books and an unforgettable persona stay tuned for our next episode a charming interview with Joan and her writing partner and close friend Treva Silverman. Thank you for joining us for. Can we talk the podcast of the Jewish women's archive? Sarah Venturi helped edit this episode. Our team also includes that long and Shira craft her theme music inside girls in trouble. We dedicate this episode. The memory of Nancy Schwartz. Turn off a brilliant and hilarious woman who was a great mentor. A talented leader and a founding board member of the Jewish Women's archive like Joan. Nancy was outspoken creative and often surprising. Thank you to Libya Cohen Color for her generous support of this episode. Nancy's memory this episode is also sponsored by Adventures Jewish studies the official podcast of the Association for Jewish studies the podcast features engaging and entertaining episodes on Jewish culture religion and history including a recent episode about the Nineteen Fifties Jewish female comedian. Jean Carole Search Adventures in Jewish Studies. On your favorite podcast platform to listen you can find more episodes of can we talk online at jd? Dot Org Slash. Can we talk and anywhere? You get your podcast. Please take a moment to review us on itunes and share your favorite episodes with your friends so that others can find us. If you'd like to help us produce more episodes of can we talk? Please go to W. A. Dot org slash donate to make a contribution. I'm Johnny Rouse. And I'm Judith Rosenbaum. Until next time.

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Rock Candy Ep. 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:29:10 hr | 4 months ago

Rock Candy Ep. 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy

"So lately it's been hard out here for everybody literally every single person except all of the people that do not give shit that the Rony is out there or the people who love being introverted like they are just celebrating right now. But you need to check in on your introvert front or you're extrovert guys. We are not. They're having a hard time. Actually I'm actually not doing as badly as I could after well this weekend. Honestly I still had a ton of shit to do. 'cause my job at a bar with still ongoing and you got to deliver be. I mean I got to deliver me to people who were very clearly terrified of me and some of them win even give me a tip so cool thanks risking your life in the corona virus. I could catch fucking Ronie from you and you can't even give me a fiver but that even I even three singles something anything something. Yeah so I have been doing that and I have been writing notes for this and I've just been like fucking busy but after tonight I'm not GonNa have shit to do all and also we're going to. I'm going to be stuck here forever because there's a snowstorm because why not do. This mind is fucking snowstorm. Not Why not yeah? Why not? Times are weird guys. But you've got US WE'RE GONNA help you guys get through. You'RE GONNA listen to our bullshitting like Ha- Maggie Nassar hilarious. We're here to entertain you while you're a shut in and you know what honestly you could join in on the fun with us in turn this into a drinking game you could you could though. I mean we're drinking so like why don't you take take hot second? We'll wait. Pour yourself appear more wine or whisky. You know whatever you like to drink. We AIN'T GONNA judge you. Drinking white claws still ain't no laws. Clearly there are no laws town. There are kind of strict laws of like self quarantining but also there's no loss. Yeah like so if you are. There's no laws within these walls. Barium got it okay. I don't know 'cause yourself quarantining. Okay Yeah I mean I know you're right you're really good really now and in breast Show me what you've got show. May Watch you've qualified anyway. I would say at this point. You probably have your drink ready. You go why not turn this into a drinking game with us. I'm going to say I haven't even for it. I want to call it the today. Times are Extra Spicy Rock Candy. Podcast drinking game. Ooh I like it. I like it so you gotta drink whenever we talk about heroin. Yeah you gotta drink whenever we tell people not to touch children. Yeah gotTa Drink God you guys are GonNa be Shit faced before the end. GotTa drink whenever I do a really bad segue. You have to drink if we say Dick and or balls come on. You're GONNA kill them. I mean the the first three rules alone. They'RE GONNA die. So maybe if we use Dick and balls in same sentence you have to remember. This is the extra spicy. Yes Drinking Game. Sure so spice. Okay so how also journey? We talk about mad as reading since ninety spicy Okay okay drink every time that we make a stupid pun yet. Okay me. Not when ever we mentioned Dick or balls or balls maybe whenever we make a joke like a good Dick Joe. Could Dick Choke them? Good to that's up to your discretion you have to determine if it's a good Dick Joker not yup. Yeah there you go. I think that's all we need. Because they're gonNa be you guys are going to be Real Shitty. But here's the thing you're home right now and you can't go anywhere. Yeah this trump is you want. You're not driving right now. So and quite frankly. Ashleigh ain't got nothing to do after this. I however do have to go to work. You do have to go to work but I mean I can always sleep here and just go home in the writing but what I want and why I think both of us want is for you guys to messages you slide. Nordea's and tell us when you're real drug could just tell us about how you are when you're extra spicy when you once you get extra spice let us know spice you are was no. Hey feel about being spice. Yeah and we'll just have let's keep the conversations going guys and then you need to tell us which spice girl you identify with most. And that's the name of we did it. We did it anyway so now that you guys are all holding near drinking game rules. Yeah I don't know if we actually made any sense but drink with converse with us because right now we're all we got guys so we're here for you if you need to have conversations but for accompanying us on our booze journey tonight. We are drinking from Brew Dog. And it's still out. I've seen it in Oliver's so I know still on it it's called jet black heart. It is in oatmeal milk stout with natural vanilla flavor. And that's because we're talking about Joan Jett and the blackheart suck. Yeah Wow it took us a long time to get here. Yeah just realize that drink guys. Welcome to rocky drank again. Sorry you're weekly podcast. Bringing yes sweet treats from the world of music every time you're listening that's always a treat I think anyway I hope and yes this week. We are discussing the one and only Joan Jett to continue our tons on women's history month. Wow you know what fuck it? Leave it to the Corona Virus Bogart. Women's history is so we're here to bring it back to you guys with the one. Only Miss Joan Jett because corona might come and go but women's history month is forever. It is also where you're Maggie. I'm Ashley Wow we are fucking this up. It's been a week like nothing. Is the same guys drink? They're already sloshed. Yay Join US in Slosh fell. Will you as we divulge into the tail of the One and only Joan Jett? I have a feeling we're GONNA leave this with opinions. Yes we're going to get spicy arlene. Yeah Mary this is the extra spicy episode. Ruak Stra spice Over old spice. There's time for Rochester. All over this episode. Yup maybe like with a bear on it made me some chipotle Mayo. That is that is spicy mayonnaise. It is that is actually spicy. Manny's yeah all right. Let's get into it okay. So I kind of had to break this up into two separate parts because there's two very big sections to Jones life. There's the runaways. Yes and there is her solo career. Yes so the first half is going to be a lot about the runaways. In general okay with the focus on Joan. Yeah 'cause fucking runaways. Story is jacked up like that movie with secure storage. Kristen Stewart Chris. Kristen Stewart and Dakota fanning. Yeah and they played the runaways. Very believably I'm sure. Did you watch the? I never saw it. I don't WanNa see it same and I'm kind of I duNno Joan. Jett was like a main Consultant I guess for that. And I don't I from what I know about the runaways Very curious to see how this goes down. Yeah have you seen it new? Oh okay I mean when last week when we had our episode I Cherry bomb more about the runaways. Yeah Yeah we do a whole episode. Just on the runways. It's Fox guys but anyway let's get into Joan Jett yes herself. Miss Jet Miss Jet. Joan Jett is the indelible feminist a hard ass clad in full leather cover sneakers. She has spent her forty plus year. Career advocating for women animals and fought for their right to equality but it hasn't always been smooth sailing. She hit her fair share of bumps in the road and some of them. Don't make her look too good. And Eamon Challenge her image as a feminist mother Theresa who it all started on September twenty. Second Nineteen fifty-eight when Joan was born to Jim and Dadi Larkin. She was the eldest of three kids with a younger sister and brother they lived in winwood. Pennsylvania a suburb of Philadelphia. Her father. Jim was an insurance salesman. And Daddy was secretary. Truly the picture of Nineteen Fifty. S Domestic Bliss. Yeah sounds about right. Joan and her mother loved to go to the movies when she was a kid. Movies had a huge impact on her especially the movie version of the musical cabaret. She was captivated by its Campinas in innocent raunch which no doubt stuck with Joan and influenced her image and sound later in life that checks in nineteen sixty seven. When was nine years old? The family moved to Rockville Maryland. Here in Maryland Jones started coming into her own. It helped that she had some pretty progressive parents for the time they encourage shown and siblings to be anything. They wanted to be disregarded gender norms. Nice good parents shit. That's progressive very if shown wanted to be an astronaut. Ajab reserved for men than fucking. Joan was going to be a fucking astronaut. Nice with that attitude in mind. She started to explore music when she was thirteen. She asked her parents for a guitar for Christmas. She was surprised to find that her parents got her a sears. Silverton guitar which was electric. Oh that was what she truly wanted. Not In acoustic folk singer but something she could really whale on like Jimi Hendrix. She's like my parents won't go that. Wa- right mom and dad you did it by was being conservative about this. But sure I'M NOT GONNA say no. I don't WanNA give tourists in the mouth it an actual gift horse. Yeah sure sure. Joan drove her family bonkers that guitar playing the same thing over and over until she mastered it. And that's when her parents were girded the electric guitar all the recruits. Oh another drinking thing is if we say prager. Nance per Gannon aunt or starch marks. Yeah Oh God. I hope someone gets per Gannon Anton this drake time. She started taking guitar lessons but her teacher said girls. Don't play rock and roll and May Joan play folksongs. That's at the time. Yeah women could be. Musicians have great careers but there are always singing. Pretty songs in mousy voices on Acoustic Guitars wearing flowing. Flowery hippy dresses they CJ Michelle Balloon. Yeah but she was still kind of like that. She was still like the hippy. Long hair and beads. Yeah but she like. She didn't sound hippy. Dippy she didn't sound like Joni Mitchell. No no but to Joan. That image of the female folksinger was a feminist trope in itself. And if you weren't Joni Mitchell or Joan Baez then you're group Era Slot. And why was there? No Middle Ground That's when Joan realize the whole women's Lib Movement of the Sixties and seventies was basically bullshit. So she pretty much told her guitar teacher to fuck off and never went back. It's almost like any group of people that come together on a common ideal. Have very specific ideal. Yeah and if you try to move outside of that box a little bit well then you're not part of the deal are you and you can get the fuck out. You're betraying them here of a traer. Yeah and then you look at them but what about women's Lib and they're like It has to be this kind of women's Lib. Yeah or else it doesn't count. Unfortunately that follows with most premature everything movement ever young. I'm going with pretty much. Everything in the early seventies around when Jonas fourteen her parents uprooted and moved to West covina California a suburb suburb of Los Angeles. Covina's a real place. Yeah Oh why so? It's in my crazy ex. Kirch isn't crazy ex girlfriend. It's the police that the main character moves to Song West Covina and I'm like that's not a real place that's a real place. Well Shit they have big pretzels. Good for them right now. I WANNA go. That is something to brag about something. Have you seen my big pretzels joke? I thought that almost two calls Joel. Stern BIG PRETZELS L. Swayed him around on track. After the move Jones parents divorced. Oh West Covina could not save. The marriage should not now we know Joan went with her mother officially changing her last name to her mother's maiden name of jets so no Joan Jett is not a stage name it is her legit legal name Nice. I wasn't gonNA ask. I figured you'd tell me all right but it very much sounds like stage name. Yeah right it's just the alteration. Yeah if she was like Samantha. Jet Blue jet is a bad ass. Last name Ryan has two TS. So like la. In the early nineteen seventies was pretty bunkers place. You don't say it's still kind of a bonkers plays it was consumed with Hollywood in rock and roll in people just trying to make it in some way or in the midst of all this was. Glam rock which found a majorly solid footing in the L. A. Club scene particularly popular was a club called Ronnie Bingen. Heimer English disco. I can't say it without Rodney. Sure a real person was a major player in the La Music scene dubbed the mayor of Sunset. Strip he was a DJ for care. O Q and is credited with bringing Glam rock to L. A. Good for him. You know. That's a nice thing to put on your resume. I guess his his hair was awful. Though if your hair should be great I mean it was great for Glam rock but he liked just stayed with it way too long. It's like Glam. Rock is dead but not on my head. They go fun with that one. Oh God extra spicy so spice spice the English disco was a haven for weirdos outcasts. And that's exactly why Joan was drawn to it. Although she was only fifteen years old Jones started going to the disco often networking with the strangest of the strange and a lot of famous names to and this is where she met another young girl named Kerry chrome carry was only thirteen. Is that her real name? I'm assuming so because that is even more bad ass and Joan Jett. Yeah carry chrome spelled with Kay's Kerry chrome. Yeah that's more was way more. Bada not to not to take from Jones sped ethnic but the carrying Rome's pretty good. Yeah Joan Jett and Kerry Chrome bff's solvent mysteries all right. We both went there. Good Good Carey was only thirteen at the time. But she was a regular in the club circuit and an Insp- an aspiring lyric writer. The two tried writing music together but quickly realize the spark wasn't there and became good friends instead. Still the fire was lit under Jones ass and the idea to start an all female rock and roll band became her mission. That's pretty fucking red. How will does Joan at this point? Fifteen oh Jesus yet like wire there are all of these young and all these babies just around the bar scene. Okay Kerry introduced Joan to a guy named Kim Foley and a boy. Kim fully is a poor person. Kim Song rank just fucking just drink half your fucking cup get the fuck right. Kim Saw something special in Joan and set out to make Jones stream of an all female band come true but he did but before we get to that. Let's dive into Kim's troubled history shall we? Do we have to? You need to understand who who this guy I know but I don't want everybody else needs to know y'all need to know about it. You shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Kim made his name in the Glam Rock Club circuit. Just like Rodney Bing Heimer. His name wasn't half as cool though he also had another name and that rhymes with maximum abuser does cool but of course those things were kept hush hush and people just said he was eccentric in actuality he was praying on extremely young women sexually abusing them and in most cases raping them. Rad Dad. He's just a Rad guy. He doesn't even get the distinction of being a dad. He's just a guy I don't know if he s kids I don't think it. Does he ever had kids to give you an example of how gross he was he wants took out an ad in an La Zine called back door man. Oh come on in it. He said he was basically looking for an underage sex slave to quote if you are eighteen and like it or if you are under eighteen and legally emancipated with paperwork then you may have just stumbled upon the opportunity of a lifetime. I demand a blonde blue-eyed sex dog a modern. Brigitte Bardot with no sagged out to stretch marks starch marks starch marks. Drink Brown hair and Brown is tolerated only if it is massively tinted with biker MAMA VIBES SURF. Stink is most appealing. What WOULD SURF STINK SURF? Sti Surf stick just like a Sandy Vagina. Sani butthole small bass swap. It might be swamped. I don't know why I didn't. I could not bear to Google. Search stink couldn't guys. Can someone cancel. Might be tipsy right now. One for the team. Google Surf Stink and let us know what it is. Thank you. It's GONNA be horrible. No pictures please no pictures. Pictures Kerry chrome unfortunately was one young woman that Kim exploited by the time. She met Joan. In Nineteen seventy-five Kim was routinely raping Kerry considering the culture of the mid seventies rock and roll scene. His abusive teenage girls was an open secret. That no one dared whistle blow. I don't know why I mean. Nobody likes this guy right but it was time. That's new for could excuse. Hey drink don't fucking touch kids like don't rape anyone but don't fucking touch kids. Yeah and that's like that. How is that not like if you meet somebody who touches a kid and you're not like a kid but also why was it so accepted like why everybody knew that he only went after women? Who are under eighteen? Yeah say they probably would see a girl who was like fifteen walk into the bombing. She doesn't stand a chance against him. No because that's just what I don't understand why if nobody actually from everything I read. It seems like nobody really liked the guy. He was very difficult. Very fucking weird. Oh yeah nobody liked him. So why was everybody completely okay with him? Raping Teenage Girls Rich. No I got nothing I mean. Maybe he had like one or two hits that he was a part of so. He made money off of them from the sixties. But they weren't anything like crazy so I don't. He didn't have a TON OF MONEY. That doesn't it doesn't make sense. It makes fucking sense like when you have power get it. But you're I don't see how he had any power. The only power he had was that he was dumb enough to just stick his nose in every single music person's business spending women and force himself to be a part of it so that they had to like except him just accept that he was there and he was part of it. I'll use that fucking guy. Yeah he was like that guy in college. That would like somehow weasels. Way into like your game nine. You're like how the fuck did not get here. None of us like Chad. Why is Chad? Here's what we always pick Chad and I'm sorry to Chad's let's pick a different name. Why is Tim always here? There's too many good tim's out. There was some bad tim's to now how about Douglas Jerry Oud Sherry Jerry. That's a good on. Why the fuck is Jerry here? Who INVITED JERRY? And everyone's like is share. Why is he here? I don't know and nobody likes him out. Fuck and hangs around like nobody has the heart to be like. Nobody has the balls. None of us had the balls in college. You can't you just can't sit with us. Yeah nobody had the ball go. Full Gretchen wieners on them. And then when you date. Everyone's like why? Why did you? You're being rational because I did go. Fokker Tim Weiner on somebody wants and I got an I became the asshole. How did this backfire on me? Yeah I'm just saying exactly what all of you have said behind their back. Five hundred time cool. Yeah they non fire. And that's why Kim Fowler's felt Foley I don't give a shit alleys foully Foley. Fowley doesn't matter. He's an asshole care. He doesn't get to have his name said properly. Wayne is that's motherfucker. Get to stick around is people. Just don't know how to be confrontational and say look man. No he likes you and if somebody does stand up like other people shame how nation like hey man only iota. He's raping underage girls and he's doing something that was beyond deplore. That's fucking S- GUSTA. Yeah Oh fuck yourself. Joan has repeatedly said that she was never touched groped or in any way molested by Kim fully. She still maintains that they got along. Great and worked well together. I'm not sure that I believe that entirely. But Nevertheless Joan took him on as her manager and Kim set out to recruit teenage women for her bands in. Maybe maybe he didn't touch her me this type arguably yes. She was not stink. But here's my problem. She very much knew what he was doing. Hundred Bird area much knew what he was doing to her friends. Oh Yes oh yes she did and that is where my big problem with Joan? Jett comes in. Oh yes and we'll get into that farther down so we can you take that and sit in your lap and some kind of hold onto. It had it for a while and then we can pop back out all right. The first to sign on was sandy west. She was also fifteen years old and play drums. She and Kim had met a few days earlier at the bar at the Rainbow Bar and grill in. Kim was impressed with her. He got her phone number and pass it on to Joan the next day. Joan took four buses to Sandy's house so they could jam together shit they connected instantly and on a whole different level that right there that jam session between Joan and Sandy was the beginning of the runaways. Hell Yeah they recruited a basis by the name of Micky Steele. Mickey was a little older around twenty when she joined the band but she didn't stay very long. Write these days. You might know her better as Michael Steele the basis for another all female rock band. The bengals I'll that's right I do remember learning about that That's crazy. I totally forgot about that. They replace Mickey with California Surfer Girl. Jackie Fox Jackie was another fifteen year old that Kim discovered when she was dancing at the rainbow. God wait a minute. California Surfer Girl Surf Stink. Oh Gosh goal run away. Oh my God that's why they're the runaways here. Cut Make me bird so I can fly far forever away from here. She didn't even know how to play Bass but she wanted in with the band so badly that she learned overnight. Oh Shit well that's awesome. She still wasn't very good but she had the look and Kim liked her. But but I mean here's the thing to her credit we to fuck in just like I'm GonNa Learn it and maybe she wasn't great overnight but I'm sure as time progressed. She got much better honestly. It's not like all of them. Were fucking VIRTUOSOS. They were still teenage ladies. Exactly so yeah. While the girls like the idea of being three piece it was obviously Joan was still way too shy to sing lead vocals. They searched for another girl to lead the band and found it. And Cherie Currie fanning and I do believe it's Cherie. Oh Okay because that is how Joan pronounced a in the documentary bad reputation that I watch tonight soom she would know yeah and also. Suri has a twin sister named Murray. Oh my gosh so this makes that Sharia meringue Cherie and Marie her. Mom's a real shame the fucking worse. Cherie Currie already knew Joan. Because they ran in the same. Glam rock scene. Kim brought Cherie into audition telling her to prepare a suzy. Quattro Song but chemical. Joan didn't know how to play the one she prepared. So Kim and Joan wrote a song on the spot for her to sing within twenty minutes they had Cherry Bomb Ryan and Cherie nailed it. Yeah you'd know that if you listen to last week's episode welcome. It was obvious that she was the perfect blonde bombshell to front the band so she was in sandy then found lead afford a sixteen year old guitarist to play. Lead Guitar. Thus the main lineup of the runways emerged Sui Joan Jett Played Rhythm Guitar And then leader was need. We are tar. Sandy was bass. Drums are seniors drums. Jackie was based Jackie was base. Then Suri was vocals yet. Wow five chicks. That's like five people in a band is a lot. That's a lot like anyone. That's like a five piece. I'm like damn five piece nugget. It's a lot going on there and it's a lot of meat. I'm Hungry Hungry House nuggets. They started playing club gigs around. La Gaining a pretty good following worked on an album. In late nineteen seventy-five their self titled Debut Album was released on June first. Nineteen seventy six by then they nabbed a record deal with mercury records and that deal included another one with Kim Fowley which basically gave him complete control over every aspect of the band. Get THE FUCK. Outta there which also makes me think like if Jones on lake this feminist bent and just wants like an all female women empowerment kind of thing Why did she give him flake? Such control. Over the band's I will see this? She was younger she was it was the seventies. Yeah in this might have been what she thought was the only way to do it right. She might have not seen any other avenues. Which and I guess. He was on the things that we did in our teen years early twenties. It's like I thought this is one of my could. Do IT TURNS OUT. I could do other than yeah and I guess if he's not trying to fuck with her then she's more inclined to be like all right. That's fine I mean to be on this is fucking with the other members of the band. He could have control over them that way. Yes I mean. Maybe she is one hundred percent honest about him never fucking with her because she is going to be the leader she's leader. I can't fuck with the leader. Yeah but I can fuck with the other ones around her. Just because he's not fucking with her doesn't mean it's okay for her to gloss over the fact that he's fucking with everybody else. No not at all. I'm just trying to figure out her kind of Saiki. Yeah is she might have just seen this. As the only way. Yeah 'cause it was the seventy s and she was still a teenager true so yeah or maybe she thought well his name's Kim and Kim as a girl's name so fuck you Kim Fowley so his control included producing the record in co writing. Most of the songs okay. He even refused to allow Jackie to play bass on the album instead bringing in Nigel Harrison. From blondie to play right. Yeah I remember learning about to Fox bad. Joan was obsessed with the idea of women playing hard rock in all female band right because it hadn't really been done before and she wanted a band full of bad ass boss Babes giving a middle finger to the man. Yeah now is the attitude. The girl's adopted right. Which is ironic. Considering how much control Kim had over them and that he fucking replaced their basis with a two he marketed. The girls as jail bait. He told Cherie to wear a corset underwear and fish nets as her stage costume. He over sexualize all of them and mind you. The average age of these girls was fifteen. Yup Jones Cherie at least saw his hyper sexualize branding as empowering. They weren't thinking that this child molester was telling them to ramp up the sex appeal they saw it as owning their sex appeal. Okay in which I guess. Yeah I some people I mean definitely some that is very much a how you see a kind of thing. Yeah very own but then also hold up is your level of comfort with that. Yeah everyone's GonNa Ha. Everyone's going to have a different level of comfort with that right especially in the band Not Everyone's Joan Sherry Cherie whatever because of their image people treated them as a novelty. Yeah they thought it was really cute when they saw their shows but once they realize the girls were serious about their music and we're just there to fulfill a male fantasy people got angry. Oh the media wasn't nice to them either to the media. These girls were whores without responsible parents. That were encouraging young. Girls to be whores. They were constantly asked about sex and sexuality during interviews instead of their music. Joan made a point not to answer those questions because if she did all the runways would be about was sex right. No one would ever talk about their music if they indulged journalists dumb questions. It's true though it's true even today. Here's thing for what it's worth. Yeah I'm not in love with how Kim Fowley marketed them. I mean that was gross and abusive and manipulative. However you know what media don't take it the complete other way either right. There's a middle fucking ground there not horrible people. Because Cherie is wearing a corset kids. Yeah doing one adult. Do you fucking problem. Go to the fucking guy telling them what to do. A lot of journalists were really fucking disgusting about it. Like one guy wrote about seeing their show in a magazine. What I forgot what magazine was but he literally said that like watching them perform he was like he was trying to like Jack off on the side of the stage because of how he saw Cherie. That's what fire discussed ways you fired. No should have been fired. No he was absolutely not got this fucking gusting they actually printed that that guy can also go fuck himself. Yeah so it's like no matter what they did they were getting shit for it. Yeah it's it's such bullshit because it's like you're still playing into this male fantasy Men still fucking control that Shit. Yeah Bullshit it was hard to be in the runways for a while they were pelted with bottles and batteries and all kinds of shit at their shows beaten up and even suffered broken bones because people couldn't handle the fact that they were women playing hard and fast rock and roll confusing feelings. I have to beat them up. I have a boner. I'm really mad about the homeowner walking. Hey people making matters. Worse was the ever present Kim Foley looming over everything. Yeah his way of keeping things interesting was to pit the girls against each other encouraging them to argue and hold grudges he would also physically abuse them like throwing jars of peanut butter at them during rehearsals and verbally abusing them all for the sake of quote unquote letting them know what they're going to be up against on. Yeah Age. Oh I know this story I know you were just using them. He'd just having a good old time because he was fucking bunker. Oh you should know like what you're going to be up against like no no no because you know any other ban wouldn't be up against people throwing shit at them from the audience. Maybe like empower them. Instead of beating them down shit sexual abuse was ever present any often used street drugs. Inqu- alludes to incapacitate his victims and rape them. Yeah this is exactly what basis Jackie Fox said happened to her. She recently revealed that on New Year's Eve in one thousand nine seventy five. She was told to take a quote by crew member being fifteen or sixteen and afraid to say no she took it shortly thereafter while she was paralyzed in floating in and out of consciousness. Kim fully raped her in front of a room full of people. Yeah Jackie called Joan. Cherie out for being present in the room. During the attack Jones response was less than stellar. She didn't say it didn't happen but she said she was. Quote not aware of the incident Joan Inexplicably Defense Kim often As recently as two thousand eighteen she told rolling. Stone that quotes. These girls could have walked away at any time if they were uncomfortable. Which is exactly what victim blamer say. Yeah she continued quote. I find a lot of people blame blame Kim. Because he's dead because he recently died. Yes so it's easy for the girls to say this or that and I just don't see it that way. No one was making anyone's stay so if they were uncomfortable in didn't like it. Why were you hanging out? I don't get it and quote. See this is why I have a problem with Tony. Oh this is a big problem. I have with Joan Jett I like. Here's the thing if you said this twenty years ago fuck if you said this ten years ago but like you came out two years ago and said he was wrong. That was wrong fine. 'cause here's the thing like. I don't WANNA cancel culture on people because it doesn't give them the chance to try to see the error of their ways but if you're going to get called out and still just like triple down. I have a big fucking problem with you. Yeah if your response to being called out by being A bystander and doing anything If your responses Mimi me and not actually responding to what happened to the victim that means you're probably guilty of something. Oh Yeah and don't tout the queen of Feminism. If you're going to fix the blame yeah because that is exactly what she's doing right now. She is one hundred percent victim blaming Jackie Fox for being a fifteen year old. Who got drugged? Because she didn't know how to say no teen. Yeah they were fifteen sixteen like and you know he couldn't just leave. They couldn't just say no. They were constantly surrounded by people of authority they were under contracts. They were doing world tours. They felt obligated to stay there. They couldn't just walk away. They were being manipulated by an abuser. Exactly who told them they couldn't walk away? Sorry Joan but you can't just get up and walk away and just because you had a different experience than Jackie did doesn't make Jackie's experience less valid right. And you know it's interesting. I learned in my research from last week that Cherie for a long time was a critic of Kim. As he was getting closer to his deathbed all of a sudden her tune changed And all of a sudden she was like I'm going to help him and take care of him and he was a really good guy. And cherise response to Jackie's Story when she actually came out and said it was almost worse than Jones. Her reaction was basically like I will do whatever it takes to prove that I wasn't there and she's a liar. I will blame like why are you so like you know so so hell bent on proving that you weren't there you could've just said. I was really drug to an item knows gone and walked away. That's and that's the thing like the two of them were drinking and doing drugs this whole time. They could have been passed out in the room and just not have remembered anything so yeah. Jackie could be right. They could have been in the room but they could have been passed out to. Yes so it's just their reactions Jones end cherise are just absolutely fucking fat and this is where like female solidarity really comes into play because the fact that we're not standing by each other side when men are still sexually assaulting us Is Gross. This is why they still get away with it. This is why it took Harvey Weinstein. How long to get put into fucking jail yet? But now he's got the rone's good vine fucking good. I don't even care yet. Good die you piece of shit honestly. Yeah I try really hard not to be that person but all but I'm going to be that person with him. Yeah good fucking life. I think he's fine. Actually he's pretty. Happy has a hope. He probably hopes he dies two because he's not going to make an in jail but that's the thing these fuckers keep doing this. We still keep getting stories of men Dr Luke with Canada. The these things are still happening because women are just not standing by each other and were saying Oh. She's just saying that because we think we need to stand by these men for their power. No if we fucking stood by each other you know what what power do the men have and especially in the music industry because the metoo movement hasn't really gotten to the music industry at Trion. It's trying and I thought maybe it would with the cash and Dr Luke thing but nope. Nope still have still to win. And that's the thing. I kind of feel like Joan might be worried that it will get into the music industry. And then she could be held liable for some things or people could just come for her. And be like what you're saying is bullshit and you're not supporting your fellow female ban me and that's really shitty so maybe come out and just be there for your fellow. Funding women don't just try to satit to cover your ass. You know just fucking supporter and if you were there spe- lake. Yeah I was there and I was fifteen. I didn't know what else to do. Yeah that's totally understandable. Yeah that is a perfectly fine. Excuse Yeah I get cancel culture scary and that's why I think we need to be more apt to forgive if someone genuinely comes out and says yo I believe this and it was wrong and I'm sorry you learned. That's amazing exactly what needs to. Yes Fuck Joan. Needs to learn a little bit from these. Yeah he's moments anyway. Yeah Anyway we take this despite the abuse. Jackie kept quiet and continued with the band. Their debut album was successful. Which meant a world. Tour was imminent. England had a much easier time accepting the band so they spent a Lotta time playing shows there. Yeah that sounds right. This is where Jones started getting into punk rock. She was hugely influenced by the sex pistols. Who became good friends of hers and she brought the Punk rock aesthetic back to the west coast. Black Moto jacket tight. Leather Pants convers. This was Joan Jett's image for the rest of her career still is so exactly what she's like. L. Exactly the same. She does pull it off though for her. She does she'll she really does look really good. Yeah but it was Japan. There really loved the runaways. You don't say they always fucking love. All of the people we talk about. They really do Kudos Japan. We don't celebrate you enough. The Japanese people treated them like the Beatles. They made television appearances. Had their own TV special they were mobbed at the airport and they released. Japanese only album called live in Japan which went gold. Joan attributes their success there to Japan's female audience. They understood what it was like to be treated as second class citizens and they understood the message. Joan was trying to communicate with the runways. It was in Japan that the girls got their first real paycheck but it was basically pennies. That made them wonder how come they hadn't been getting paid up until now. Oh there they are yeah they are. It is air. It is There are selling out shows left and right headlining a huge tour of Japan. But they weren't seeing any money. They still had to ask him for money to go get tampons or food I Bet I fucking but he loves how he 'cause he was their daddy in the middle of the Japanese tour of the girls realize something pretty awful was going on. Just one thing as may know what you should also drink when there's bullshit contracts bullshit. As mentioned before Kim Lake depit the girls against each other he was back on his bullshit in Japan and it turned into a blowout. Oh they were handed the tour Book Kim. Put together to give out wall in Japan immediately. The girls notice something was not right about it. It barely featured the band as a whole instead it was mostly centerfold like photos of Cherie in underwear and of course it basically softcore porn. Oh the girls were furious but they were furious at the wrong person on. Oh come on IPE blamed Cherie for doing the photo shoot in the first place. Not Kim for setting it up and making the tour booklet. This created a schism. That would eventually break the band up. Yeah sounds about right after getting home from Japan. Jackie Fox made the smart decision to quit the band hood on top of the sexual abuse. The girls were working their asses off to the point of exhaustion. They never got breaks. They weren't getting paid in their every move was controlled by Kim. Cherise walked soon after Jackie. She was addicted to cocaine calebs. She was only seventeen. 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Yeah the other one was queens of noise which they were they were arguably also would have been a really good title for this podcast. Why didn't we think of that as we are fucking dumb asses clearly drink? The media was so used to seeing the bleach blonde. Cherie fronting the band that they do accept the raven haired Guitarist as its leader but Joan did in any way she graduated from the shy girl on the side of the stage to front and center singing lead vocals just in time for a world tour opening for the ramones. Nellie as as much as she tried. Joan couldn't keep the cracks from forming. The runaways recorded their last album and now dot dot dot the runaways in nineteen seventy seventy eight with John. Alcock producing alcock. The album wis going in a heavier. More punk rock direction than previous runaway. Went Away Waco's but things weren't going so great with the producer he had a camaraderie with Lita Ford and Sandy West and it was clear the three of them wanted to make an album without Joan. Ooh She felt left out. Ooh I think eventually they did try to make an album and it fell apart. Yeah it pushed a wedge between the band eventually splintering the group apart there was so much tension in the band. Joan decided to dissolve it all together. I mean could she do that? Yeah I mean all the Fanta rates. Maybe okay kicked out. So who else is going to own it? Yeah Mary she felt like a failure. Oh like everybody was pointing a finger at her saying we told you so. We told you that you can do it. Oh that's some bullshit. She did it she did do it she did was she was a success at it. One hundred percent yes to deal with the dissolution of her Dream Jones started drinking and partying a lot yeah She would have an apartment full of famous musician. Friends hardcore drinking and partying it up at all hours of the night she was working at. She was working at the time attempting to fulfill the runaways obligations to mercury records with a movie called. We're all crazy okay. Was it like a documentary? No it was a drama. It was loosely loosely based on the runaways and featured Joan in the lead role. Oh that's weird. Yeah I two players but then actors everyone. Yes that's weird. That is weird. Yeah but Jones hard partying got in the way and the movie was scrapped when she was hospitalized for a heart. Infection what yeah. I don't know what that really means. Heart infection no but yes. She was put in the hospital cheese. And she's like what twenty three. Maybe not even twenty seventy eight twenty. Jesus Christ just yeah. She recovered but she was still lost and not sure what to do with her. Now that her ban was gone through an actress she worked with on the movie. Joan mid songwriter and producer. Kenny Laguna the two decided to write music together. Which was a strange pairing. If you think about it okay. Kenny Laguna was known for Bubblegum. Pop hits from the sixties all. My God like Yummy Yummy Yummy by Ohio Express Yummy Yummy I got love in my tummy and some stuff in my tummy. It's not bags of cocaine. It's Farts yes in my tummy. Okay your head. It works and it was an odd pairing but it worked together. They marry Jones rough and tough exterior with a more palatable. Sound and great hooks they set out to record Jones. Tab You solo album simply called Joan Jett. It was later re released in. They called a bad reputation. Oh 'cause I knew what song is on. Yeah plenty of cover songs which Joan would become known for. Yeah yeah she did. A lot of cover has gone through her spotify. It's a lot of cover. Yeah I don't know what the covers the same time I'm like. Does she not have that much original material. I don't know I think she just really likes older songs so much that she wanted to do them her way. That's fair. I don't know hurry to songs would go on to become Joan. Jett classics bad reputation and original Song About Jones. Hard ass reputation wall in the runways. And do you. WanNa touch me parentheses. Oh yeah this was originally a Gary Glitter Song and as it turns out Gary Glitter was a pedophile. Don't touch kids drink so if you're one of our patriots numbers you'll already know this because we talked about this. A couple of months ago did because Green Day just sampled the song in one of their in their new single. Yeah and people were like Green Day samples a Joan Jett Song. Now is Gary Glitter's song and he's a pedophile. But why can't we talk about how Joan Jett covered the song in the first place anyway? We digress again. We don't want to talk about Green Day. The album was released in Europe on Areola records. No IT'S A. R. I O. L. A. That spells area those released on May Seventeenth nineteen eighty two decent sales. But for some reason they just could not get a record deal in the US. They received twenty three rejection letters. Eventually they said fuck it will release it ourselves. All Right Kenny drained his toddler daughter's College Fund and use the money to print the album themselves. You better have fucking high hopes on this. That's your kids you believe in in this album an album full of covers. Don't ever tell your daughter if it fail like we just never had the money to send you to college. Sweetie sorry fully colleges is Iraq. It don't go yeah in total PUNK ROCK DIY move. These sold the record out of the trunk of Kenny's Cadillac. Shows fucking beautiful also. He had a cadillac. Couldn't you just sell your Cadillac? I mean that's like a offer but then where would they sell the record fair point? This was the beginning of blackheart records. A label headed by Joan Kenny. Under this label Joan has released some of her most successful hits after releasing her debut. She realized something. She really needed a backing band. She would always be front and center but as a solo artist she needed the energy of other musicians onstage with her yeah weirdly. Joan made the decision specifically not to play with women again because she didn't want it to be compared to the runaways. I guess that makes sense. Yes she only auditioned men even saying in the La Weekly ad that she was quote looking for three good men to become the black hearts all right after securing her backing band. They went on a European tour and settled and settled into a routine of shows around L. A. After a while they realized things just weren't working out in Los Angeles they'd basically exhausted their audience and didn't have other close by cities to play to get more fans. Maybe a big move was needed. If they moved to New York City they had whole huge network of big cities within driving distance to play in guaranteeing constant audience build up so they moved to Long Beach New York in one. Thousand nine hundred. Eighty all right gossiping a move but I think that works. Yeah it kind of makes sense especially if you're trying to be like kind of punk. Yeah that's that's where you go because at this point eighty S. Yep Yeah this is where you want to be The move worked improved to be a turning point. They consistently won over audiences in New York and New England. Keeping things fresh every time they were still struggling only playing small clubs and barely getting by gone were the days of runaway mania. In Japan Jones. Hard work was about to pay off. It's about fucking time again in one thousand nine hundred one Joan. Jett and the black hearts released the album. I love rock and roll. The album was once again heavy on the covers including the title track which was originally done by the arrows. I thought it was originally done by weird Al Rocky Road. You know you made it when Weird Al Covers. You know a cover a cover. Yup Yeah a parody of a cover parody of a cover of a cover of Color Joan him long been obsessed with this song and even recorded a rough version of eight years earlier with Steve Jones and Paul Cook of the sex pistols. Oh Shit Nice but it was. Joan Jen the black hearts version that everyone would come to know and love. Yeah honestly yeah. I didn't even know it was a cover till I got older same. And you people don't I knew Crimson and clover was a cover. Yes oh I didn't realize that. Like most for Shit was covers released on my sister's first birthday happy birthday. Your sister January nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety two a baby. Mtv quickly caught wind of the song and begged Kenny Laguna to to make a video for it. Kenan complied and the now I comic music video introduce millions to Joan Jett. Is that the one where she's like walking around the bar. Yeah do box and like everyone's just like fists in the air and playing pool. Somebody's playing pool. I think there's pool tables on their table in their bar. It's a bar. Townie Bar Shoe loves rock and Roll Hall to the Song I love. Rock and roll became a number one. Hit topping the charts for seven weeks. Shit things changed rapidly for Joan in the band. Yeah that'll small clubs turned into arenas huge world tours. Were set up and people like Freddie Mercury and David. Bowie started coming to the her shows. Yeah can you imagine that? Jn magin controversy. Didn't stay away from Joan for long. She got a bit of heat for her cover of Crimson and clover the second single off her. I love rock and roll album. She didn't change the pronouns. Because then the song wouldn't rhyme so they stage she and her you got all up on their huffy bikes because it sounded so lesbian highway story. Out of here it didn't even Faze Joan. She continued fielding questions about her sexuality. Exactly the same way she did when she was in the runways that is by not entertaining them at all like that is hun of anyone's. Nice but nobody understood. You know not that maybe you just don't ask questions. I manage. Don't give a shit who has sheds not the important this song still a fucking banger. Exactly Jones third solo album simply titled Album was released in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. It's not named for any of the songs on the album. I don't know what songs on this album. I just know that it's an album. It is an album. Has Album treats of an album Alex or on their no idea if veered in a slightly different direction mainly because it only had two cover songs on it. The rest were written by Joan and Kenny. Shit there it is for some reason or another. Mci didn't promote the album Kenny claimed that. Mca went so far as to stop people in the street from buying it why. I don't know that doesn't make any sense it makes no sense and I couldn't find out why. Nca didn't want to release it and like do you want to promote it behind that. Yeah I don't really understand what why they were claim that I doesn't check but it barely cracked the top twenty billboard charts and isn't considered much of a success. Oh what followed were couple albums performed moderately well. She continued to slay around the world opening for huge acts like clean and aerosmith. Oh my gosh. She was still curious about acting despite the disaster. That was supposed to be the runways. She was real high. Yeah drunk yeah that's she. She can always give that another shot she could always just like kick that to the side and just went like this is my first movie right. Yeah I never got released anyway. Yeah it didn't in nineteen eighty eight. She starred in the movie light of day alongside Michael J. Fox who played her brother. Oh the premise. Being got the two of them were in a rock band together and family drama ensues as their deeply. Religious mother disapproves of Jones decisions. I mean this kind of sounds like a good movie. She wasn't half bad and this was like this was the movie where Michael J. Fox tried to become a dramatic actor. Teats segue from comedic into the drama. But I feel like Michael. J. Fox could always go dramatic because I don't think his comedy was that comedic. He wasn't like a gym carrier will share he was known for Family ties which was a comedic role and then back to the future which was kind of a comedy so this was like the first time he was dipping his toe into dramatic waters. I guess I mean yes but also. I don't think it's that unrealistic. Look at Michael J. Fox. He can play drama. Oh No yeah. There were some dramatic episodes of family. Ties there were there. Were some upsetting episodes man also. He was a republic. He was a young Republican in that show. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah but being. A Republican eighties was much different than being a Republican now. Yeah I don't know I every time I think of young Republican in the eighties. All I can think of his Christian Bale and American psycho. Oh my God that's what I feel like. Every young Republican in the eighties was like yeah and pretty much now to Morales and then nothing nothing changes nothing changes anyway light of day. Bruce springsteen wrote the Song Late Day Nice specifically for the movie and Joan performed it on the soundtrack. And I think this movie was inspired by Bruce Springsteen and the guy who wrote it brought it to Bruce Springsteen he brought the script Bruce Springsteen to read it over because he wanted his opinion on. What like a blue-collar hard-working bar band was like? Yeah and better to ask apparently was orig- the movie was originally called born the USA. Oh my God. And he brought he gave the script to Bruce Springsteen to read Bruce liked the title so much that he stole it and put it on a song that he was writing about a Vietnam vet. I didn't know that's where okay. Yeah and then. He took the this song called light of day. That already had it was like here but us this song instead. Oh Bruce Obu busey's not boys boosts Moose. Yeah boost from Jersey will boost Jersey but also imagine how great that is for Joan Jett though irregardless to be singing a song written by Bruce Springsteen in about a movie that's kind of loosely based on hand that he got gave like the thumbs up on. Yeah big that's when you really fucking made it. That's springsteen yeah I fucking made it. Yeah that same year after continuing issues with her new label epic records. Joan released up your alley once again independently on blackheart records this album featured another huge hit. I hate myself for loving you. Which is it's all fucking good sauce. Gory Tong. The song reached number eight on the billboard charts and helped boost Jones profile after her career was kind of plateauing By the early nineties the music scene was changing. Grunge was all over the airwaves and the riot girl movement took hold in Washington. Dc At the end later in the Seattle area of Washington State for more on that you should listen to a riot girl episode from like two years ago from a long fucking time literally. Two Years Ago Yeah. It had its roots in punk but took a hardcore females first mentality the a big supporter of the movement was in Mackay. A seminal punk of seminal punk band for Ghazi Yup Ian. If you remember from our riot girl episode was also friends with Kathleen Hanna from Bikini. Kill Ya Ian gave Joan a Bikini Kill Demo tape and shortly thereafter. Kathleen got a call from Joan herself asking if she wanted to collaborate. Joan was incredibly impressed with everything. The women in the riot girl movement were doing. I mean it's really what she was doing back in the seventies exactly. She saw it as all of them fighting the same fight. That's been going on for years and loved how outspoken fearlessly were exceptional. Maybe just maybe I mean if there was some sexual assault producer somebody bikini kill mode. Something would probably try and kill the person that was trying to rape somebody. Yeah just GONNA throw that out there. She saw Bikini Kill as an updated version of the runaways. And she didn't want to just support them. She wanted to be involved. The high bet I got to take that out. She Produced Bikini. Kill Song rebel girl. And Kathleen Hanna wrote songs on Jones. Nineteen ninety-four pure and simple. That's right also. I forgot to put in here. Because I'm a fucking idiot This was not the first thing that Joan ever produced. She actually produced the one and only album that the germs released and the germs are like a huge hardcore punk band. Yup that PAT smear was a part of impact smear went on to become part of Nirvana in the last night. That's right so that's another lake. That's a huge mind blowing six degrees of bullshit so nice so she was kind of already in this she well. I mean pets. Mir wasn't really in the scene at all. He was still more like East Coast punk. I think I mean we're we're the germs la. I thought they were but don't quote me on that. I'm not great with my germs history. My Germs Story. I'm pre- No I think. La Portmanteau drinks. Yeah I think they were actually. La that makes way more fucking sense. But I don't believe that PAT was really part of the whole grunge scene or the Seattle scene If anything he might have known Dave Grohl but I don't think so well Joan Jett Dave Grohl now. She knows the now the France now. Yeah they did Cherry bomb. Oh really rock and Roll Hall of fame. Okay yeah formats. Yep sounds very good with both of them together. Yep sounds better live. Oh I'll have to listen to it but this wasn't just a publicity publicity thing or or whatever. Joan was fully invested in the riot girl movement. Yeah when me as a potter was murdered in Nineteen ninety-three. Her Death Affected Joan deeply. She worked with the remaining members of the gets on a live album with all the prophets going to the murder investigation. We talked about me as a pot on our true kind of show him episode a year and a half ago long time ago. But that was that's such A. That was a horrible story. God fucking dammit. That's an upsetting story. It's it's so fucking senseless bullshit and completely fucking random. Yeah like mid never should have happened ever schiff oversight so fucking upsetting through the late nineties and early two. Thousands Jones career started slowing down a bit. Her albums were doing okay. But she wasn't making much money. They needed something to revamp her image boost sales again. And that's when Kenny's formerly toddler daughter. Who's College Fund? He drained Kerry and Brinkman. Entered the picture. Okay Kenny was kind of living in the stone. Age At this point and I should mention that Joan and Kenny. Have this lake very special kind of friendship. And I'm not saying specialize in quotation. No I didn't like the way they have a friendship that like transcends however many years they've been friends they just have a bond they have that they get and they have not everybody else. Does they have a really great bond and I think I who is more like mentor to protege or father to daughter or something like that and it's just grown into like they're just the absolute best friends the best friend soulmate kind of thing. They don't WanNa do things with other. They are super. That's it best friends. Yeah there's just an easy connection that they have they can't explain it. They're not gonNA and she was a very big part of Carey ends Upbringing of course and I think she lived with them for a while and like just spent a lot of time with them as a family and was really big in bring up their daughter. Nice which she kind of had to be because she trained her college fund. It's like Oh this kid. I know own this pretty sure that that album probably replenished college fun and then it's like ten times over. She was fine. She could have gone to college if she wanted. She probably did. She's very smart young lady. She could even drink milk if she wanted she could. Yeah so yeah. Kenny was living in the Stone Age. He didn't understand that a digital revolution was happening. He's still wanted to sell CDs at Seventeen Bucks a PAS. Oh my God. That's how thought money was me. Carry any yeah honey honey sweetie poor soul. Bring your daughter in here. She's going to help you. She's GonNa show you how to turn the computer on bomb. Look out sweet. That's just the computer turning on. Dad How do I get to? How do I check your facebook? I heard all the kids are on that now. Dead nobody. My Age uses facebook. Can I can I? Can you search for recipes on the facebook? I need to know how to make pot roast. No you want Google now google. I'M GONNA go your phasing. My daughter's FACEBOOK GOOGLE DOT com. Oh Dad you're so dumb I mean you just you just sweet and old. You don't know any better. Well either way yes. So as daughter came in Carryanne convinced joining Kenny to get on I tunes yeah tunes. It's still a thing. Apparently some people still get suckered into that. It's a scam for old people now. Oh my God I two guys spotify within the first week of being on Itunes this old seventy thousand units of I love rock and roll units drink Kerry and also convince them to have Joan on the warped tour in two thousand six nice. This was peak warped tour angle. He warped tour Green Day. So many checkered vans I love my checkered fans. And guaranteed maximum exposure. Joan was still known to be punk is fuck so she was accepted on the tour. No problem it reignited. The Passion people always had for her since then. Carryanne has taken over Managing Jones career and the Blackheart label in the meantime Joan diligently campaigns with pita for animal rights and runs a farm sanctuary. Which like Pizza Pizza's not the best choice as choice but your animal sanctuaries probably lovely but she has also been partnering with Pita for a very long time like before people realize that pedo were Kuku for coconuts crazy people you know to hear more of our opinions on pita and the opinions of actual vegans on pita. You should go to our friends. We didn't episode with them and talk about pita a lot because a lot of musicians are just like pita and we're like but there's better organizations guy. There are a whole lot of better organization. Also Google search ten minutes support your local animal sanctuary. Because there's probably one near you and you just don't know and they probably need way more health leisure help a lot especially right now. Exactly how am I going to please help your local animal? Sanctuaries yes and Joan was also inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame in Two Thousand Fifteen. That feels like a really long time to get inducted. It was a very long time. Yeah and I think Nirvana was inducted. The year before their first year and she They did like a concert afterwards at a different venue and she came out and like she did. Smells like teen spirit and a bunch of other nirvana songs with Dave and Chris and Pat. I'm sure they're all friends which is very nice but also like she probably was eligible around like twenty ten. Oh Yeah I mean. She started in like five ish. Runaways seventy five. Yeah so I think twenty to choose is it. I'm not great with math but the point. How many years is a twenty five twenty five so seventy five eighty ninety two thousand? Yeah she would have been eligible with the runaways in two thousand. So that's cool. So have you want to hear more about the bullshit? There is for the rock and roll. You're all about the locking today. But our sister podcast. Who Cares about the Rock Hall there on Pantheon? And they're she really fucking alert here. Total daily are see. It's safe to say that Jones early career with the runways was controversial whether the controversy was planned or not she knew how to use that to her advantage and she used it well whether or not. She turned a blind eye to deplorable behaviour happening around her her image. As a hard hitting feminist with both middle fingers up in the face of the Patriarchy was groundbreaking. Joan got where she is today through incessant. Hard work on her own. Yeah for the most part. Yeah honestly gotTA GIVE HER. Credit Credit's due. I mean I might have a lot of problems with how she's treated. The other women who came up with was a workhorse. She didn't still the workhorse. She never stopped. She never had a hiatus really. Except if you count her drinking herself into the hospital which was like maybe a year maybe a year our time take that time to like stop drinking and get better but I mean like that year would have been between when the runways ended and her solo career started in between was partying in the heart infection that I say yeah then again in the grand scheme of her career. That's nothing. Yeah yeah I mean overall and like I said I try not to feed into cancel culture? I think she's still has written amazing music. I still think that she has really proven herself to women Somebody I mean to say. Now that she's proven herself to and she's proven herself to be this strong woman and Lake so that other women can see this and say oh. I don't have to take this bullshit. Yeah and I don't follow anyone else's recipe of what feminism is she has definitely cultivated and maintained that image image of this bad ass. That doesn't take shit from anybody right and she. She's been doing that since. Nineteen seventy five when people I serve knowing who she was right And that's great but also have a little bit of humility and humanity and if somebody calls you out and says this really horrible thing happened to me and I think you were in the room. Don't automatically go on the defensive because that's not what anybody needs in it's not making you look good We have to support each other. We still have to support each other so despite the fact that she is this beacon of Feminist you know. Cheerleading squad like this beacon of feminists cheerleaders then like you still have to learn from things. Yeah that's part of it. You can't just be like nope this happen yard for me and I did this all on my own and this yeah I think like you also have to say. Hey maybe this fucked up thing happened and maybe I witnessed it and I didn't know what to do which is fine. You were fifteen sixteen. You can say I didn't know what to do if you're GONNA be mad at you for being a kid who didn't know what to do if you're going to continue to be part of the Progressive Feminist Movement. Then you have to learn from things right and I don't feel like she's really learning from things right. That's that's the problem. That's the problem. But she is an amazing artist. She does work insanely hard. Yes she's earned everything that she's gotten. I won't take any of that away from her. You know just like this is my little pleated be like Hey Joan John just like admit that some fucked up. Things happened when you were around. But it's okay 'cause she were kit and they will never happen around you again. They would never happen around her again. Right you kidding me. She's an adult the bad bitch. She's in charge fly. Maybe at this point if something like that were to happen she would get involved today and break it up. Or whatever of course. I doubt that if something does happen around her now like a wouldn't. Yeah but you know what I mean. She put a stop to that real quick. But you can't just deny that things in the past happens Martin can't you can't do that and that's the big thing too you know. We've gotten plenty of criticism for analyzing history and misrepresenting it because we look at it and say hey. That wasn't cool but you know what if you don't look at. Shit the happened in the past and say that was a pad fucking thing happen. It's GONNA keep happening. Here is absolutely no fucking way in Hell. I would relay the story of Kim Foley to and just completely dismiss it and be like that was just the time. Yeah no just because a room. Full of people dismissed him raping. Somebody in this is GonNa do. It doesn't it doesn't mean I I can do it thirty forty years later. 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Joan Robinson Hill

Murder City: True Crime of Houston, Texas

50:44 min | 9 months ago

Joan Robinson Hill

"It right now. I'm totally really rotten into our theme song. I saw you appreciate it. Hey everybody what's up. We're back back I am. I am being this murder sitting true crime of Houston Texas a true crime. PODCAST that focuses exclusively on missing end murdered people from Houston Texas those unidentified of course. So we're back. We had some tech issues going on for a while convey frustrating. But we're making through. Were here we made it we survived. We're in the process. We've won the battle. We have not won the war on the technology technology issues at the moment. Let's put it that way but we are back as good Irish folk. We couldn't leave you guys hanging for Saint Patrick's Day since we didn't have the opportunity to ruin when Mardi Gras. We gotTa Ruin Saint Patrick's Day right. Yes of course perfect. So we're here. If you guys saw our twitter we have new merge in stock now home we will have it up on the website by Saint Patrick's Day foreshore. She celebrate and put us all over your stuff in new city so usually this is our key patrol report but tonight we're going to do something a little different because we've got new merge yes and if you guys saw on twitter if you haven't it's on twitter some of our new merch are stickers. One of them are keep. It trill sticker yet didn't go on facebook facebook instagram because facebook instant was having temper tantrum. So they'll be up check out the stickers they'll be on the website in everybody remember to keep it true plea so with current events. We have obviously been on Sabbatical. That doesn't mean that working. We're always doing something. So we're going to kind of throw it back to Liz Baraza. If you will recall. She was the woman who was shot to death in her driveway while she was setting up for her garage sale right up in Tombaugh Texas and they I haven't done an update in a while and I don't know if that's good or bad I feel like no news is good news right. That's that's the positive be knee. She has like that just means that they don't WanNa scare anybody will in my question is how far does that last like no news is good news until when I don't think this is the time to bring caviar dondo or anything but you know I'm GonNa go there and went. They're trying to be positive. So there is video footage of the whole shooting so I would have to say. That's a little positive. In this case they have something more to go on than just a shooting. They have the truck they have the entire incident on camera and it looks like this person gets out of their truck walks up. There's some kind of exchange between the victim and the perpetrator and it looks like the perpetrator hands her something. Yeah there's a briefly interaction some hand movement Ain't who knows I don't know and then she shot and then she shot in the head again so it was extremely greenlee personal almost and brutal for sure. Yes I know for a fact K. P. R. C. has the whole video up I'm graphic ah I with warning I suggest you go check it out only because I just feel like watching show much information information. That's it really shows like how how people can be very often that you get to see the actual murder and it just. It's just it's insane. Yeah because you get to analyze like are they fleeing from it. Are they confident how they walk up. Are they like bumbling for even the actual shooting shooting it was like Bam Bam Bam and then Bam M. Redone O'Brien over her yeah and then just kind of hastily made their way back to the trump. Yeah Aso bone chilling. It's just insane. We'll find it and posted to the group and then we can have a group discussion about what we think about the perpetrator. Yes because because there's a lot of speculation on the interwebs whether it's like female scorns lover. A male dresses a female. which as we've said it could still be some? I'm sort of love triangle. Situation knows at mean there's speculation about A. B. were connected. It's all over the place like we said there's not been many updates on this one But if you do have information on Liz Ras Case Call Crime Stoppers at seven one. Three two two two T I P S. It's my second favorite phone number. Houston if you see something say something is always crazy onto other ongoing but started not recently news. Yes so before we get into this. I have to make it on air on record that I told you so. See See I want you to take this L. and keep it in your pocket. I guess on my part Corey what we're referring to is the last last episode that we drought. This incident. Had just taken place Saturday like the day before age. Speedy kicked the door in allegedly onto innocent allegedly Al-Manar's and got into a firefight with them allegedly. Well at the half. The neighborhood saw that part so eight is now been determined that a few officers they were related to that or dirty. Oh do you don't say you don't say I do. I do say so. Far Our officer goings touched. Fourteen hundred cases that the Harris County. DA's office is having to review twenty-something of those being currently active. Steve and I think you and I both have read this. Multiple ones have already been dismissed. Yes at least more than one have been dismissed since we last spoke. There's another officer involved. Oh It's funny you say Oh. His name is Steven. Oh Brian the ocean. I'm not a cop anymore. Because officer former officer. O'Brien had eight hundred cases when they saw aw county. DA's office now reviewing just grand. While end I WANNA make a point that the FBI civil rights division is investigating this and all things this spreads to write in that rare. They don't usually pop in for things. Like this yeah so we'll kind of see where that goes and I will be having tin foil hats on the website for four ninety nine pop up you can get a Lotta styles can style cowboy ball cab whatever you need email us now and we'll send you two for the price of Lon John Against that finishes out our current events. There's a lot of shit going on but crime is down though so our case for this episode is probably our second most requested episode sale. It's one bits imfamous infamous in the city. Yes it is. And it's an older one to which I love and then that also adds to the a lot of these cases the older they get they fade kind of. But that's why podcasting is great because it can remind you of these things this coming up on. Its Fiftieth Anniversary. It is this so lets them on a cool almost spring morning in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine a woman slowly makes her way down the stairs in her river roques mansion to her driveway. She can barely walk. She is assisted by her housekeeper. who also rides with her to the hospital? She is driven to the hospital by her husband where she is admitted. Admitted sadly this beautiful young woman would not survive this day what happened because this young vibrant seemingly healthy woman to suddenly fall ill and die from a mysterious serious illness. This story starts on February. Sixth of nineteen thirty one when Texas oil millionaire Ash Robinson and his wife. rhea adopted the infant Joan. Joan grew up to be a socialite before socialites. Knew they were socialize. She would spend her days next next to the world's largest hotel pool at the shamrock hotel which was opened on Saint Patrick's Day in one thousand nine hundred forty nine. She drove a Cadillac. That was always washed. The Houston press column. The town crier would sometimes run Jones name six eight times a week with her photographs. She was referred due to his quote the Buffalo Blonde the gorgeous socialite and so gorgeous and so rich. And that's not me. That's actually the quote adding adding that Adam. Jones also spent her time at the stables from an Early Age Joan was in evidence accessible equestrian having won her first ribbon at five live at the Houston livestock show and Rodeo which is currently going on. Guess almost over guys. It is thinks Sundays actually the last day this George Strait. Joan was a real housewife. Almost a century before Bravo would create the franchise and after two failed marriages. Joan Robinson would meet Dr after John Hill born in nineteen thirty one in ed couch. Texas John Hill was the son of Raymond and Myra Hill who owned a seventy five Acre farm where they grew grew vegetables cotton and grain. The farm was a success so they opened a store which then kind of grew into kind of like a markets guerra kind of place. It had a blacksmith a barber and gas pump along with the store. She kinda go there and get all the stuff you need and then go back home. So it's like Texas I strip senate. Yeah basically we love our strip center. His mother was the disciplinarian in made religion in an integral part of their lives. It was during his younger years the John would discover music and become a serious musician so much so that as an adult he would have an eccentric centric room known as the Music Room. It is rumored that he spent more than seven hundred thousand dollars in today's money to build this room and just want to point out your quote. Has it like the Ohio state. It's the music room. Yes it is the music does some serious business business. John Graduated Summa cum laude from college and went on to Baylor College of Medicine. After Med school doctrinal decided on a residency in surgery. That's not really surprising. Given what was going on in the Medical Center in Houston at the time doctor. Michael DeBakey was making history with heart surgery his his sidekick Dr Dim. Cooley also would go on to fame as an open heart surgeon. We visited both meet up. We did shoutouts everybody that was was there Houston was referred to as a quote factory of surgery in his third year of residency. Dr Hill would decide on plastic surgery. Also not exactly klay surprising because it was kind of sexy it was lucrative. You know you get to work with like the rich ladies who lunch rate set up at dinner. By by a friend Per Jones requests John Hill met Joan and they hit it off Jones friend kind of refer to them as mismatch but Dr Hill would go on to tell the friend quote. She's the most incredible girl I've ever met. Joan refer to the doctor as her quote divine new man and while seemingly odd a relationship developed the odd couple. Would Mary in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and take residents at Jones. Parents House in River Oaks while the doctor finished his medical school residency. This kind of starts a trend where daddy pays for a lot. Gotcha like he's in Med school. He doesn't make much. They move in till ashes house. Money was a way to kind kind of keep an eye on things from the parent's perspective. Yeah okay on. June fourteenth of nineteen sixty during John's last year of surgery residency Mansi. Joan delivered Robert Hill. Who would go by the nickname boot? It's reported Dr Hill was not enthusiastic over the prospect of a baby for he. It was still only earning less than two hundred dollars a month and there were two years of plastic surgery. Training still left to do okay in nineteen sixty five it. John told Jones that he had seen a house on Kirby that was for sale. Just a few blocks up. The boulevard from Ash Robinson's home located at ten twenty nine Herbie the house at fifteen sixty one kirby was built in one thousand nine hundred thirty five and it was a sprawling southern style mansion. I KINDA WANNA point out that. If you're driving down Kirby in river oaks. This house is the only one this sits at an angle on the lot so faces the corner her. Yes okay all of the other ones either. Sit mostly facing one way or the other. This one is just a really hard angle right. Although ashes reads the purchase of the property and made the down payment on eighty thousand dollar residents he had also heard troubling stories attached to the house including the Nasty Asti divorce which put the house on the market. Another owner reportedly had died an agonizing death of cancer in one of the bedrooms and still another had gone up to the top floor and shot himself and from what we hear. That's not the end of the story so we'll get into that more later. I'm sure even still. The couple moved into the mansion in river oaks. After moving into the House John became more and more critical of his wife and before long he was complaining about everything that she did from her Her smoking her cursing the way she smelled which she would return from the stables which was something she obviously loved doing right threat he he would say something about how she smelled like a farm animal. Wow while you smell like silicone. Yeah well you came home smelling like titties. So so there's that at one point. It's reported that Joan told her mother that her in John hadn't been intimate in eight months trying in her best to save your marriage. Joan attempted to quit smoking and improve her appearance but John still filed for divorce in late summer of nineteen sixty eight somewhere around on this time. John and Joan made an out of town trip to pick up their son from summer camp and it was there the John Hill met and curse hirth and Kurth was a thrice divorced bombshell and Dr Hill became immediately smitten with our this could be said to be the beginning of the end John Hill and an Kurth began an affair. All Wall Hill was still attempting to divorce Joan in order to marry an and then daddy ash threatened to take away everything from John his house his kid his money and his his beloved music room ash had John Sign essentially in agreement. Promising to work things out with Joan crate. Okay in March of nineteen. sixty-nine Joan was being visited by two out of town friends. Diane and Eunice at the time she became Ale with whatever kind of assumed was the flu in pain the ladies would later recall a strange service I gas asks. If you will of the Pastries Dr Hill brought home pastries for after dinner desserts right in serving them and he served serve them. Okay he gives Joan a chocolate eclair. He takes a cream. Puff and the two guests had different kinds of tarts okay. It said that Jones favorite was a cream puff so she asked John if he would switch with her and he was adamant the the Joan had to have the clear and this happened twice so the eight the first ones and then he went back in the kitchen and got some more and came back out and again. Can I have your cream puff. And he was like no eat. The chocolate eclair interesting the following morning Joan was sick and over the next few days. It's reported sorted. John gave his wife an injection of something. Okay so being a doctor. They're just assuming that he's giving her some sort of home remedy. They don't nothing anything of it so much. Got It okay. Jones condition deteriorated to the point that on March Eighteen Jones Made Miss L. Smith found Joan own lying in a partially dried pool of blood and feces which means that she had been laying there for some time in it because it was drying nine right joma so sick that she was unable to get to her feet and walk to the bathroom without help. Dr Hill instructed Ms Smith to clean up clean up Joan and he left for work a little later in the morning l.. Became concerned that Mrs. Hill was actually dying. She called both Jones Jones mother and Dr Hill at the office and they both came back to the house on Curry. The decision was made to take Joan to the hospital and Joan Joan. Her Mother L. and Dr Hill were all in the car to the hospital. Okay John was driving and for some some reason instead of taking his wife to an. I'm not like tooting our own horn. This is true. The world renowned Texas Medical Center are like I just talked about two guys who are putting heart surgery literally on the map then. He chose to take her to sharp's town hospital. which at at the time was kind of a regional hospital if you will? It was nothing compared to the Medical Center for sure. It's also reported that on the way to the hospital. John said that sharp's town was ready for them which to me means he like called somebody he knew over there and gave them a heads up. This is what's showing up right like half the gurney outside type situation. Yeah like charcoal or whatever. You're GonNa do something like that. Let's make this happen happen. However when they show up to sharp's town like nothing he apparently drives like a snail all the way there and then when they show up it's just like he takes forever to park and then they take green and they're like it's like nobody ever heard of her? They have no idea what's happening. The after being admitted to the hospital having tests run the doctors had not yet determined what was wrong with Joan at three fifty five am on march nineteenth of nineteen sixty nine less than twenty four hours. After arriving at the Hospital Jones suddenly sat up in her hospital. Bed Streamed John Vomited blood and then fell back back onto the bed. John Robinson Hill was dead at the age of thirty eight now. This is where things get a little squirrelly. The vast majority of everything after this is speculation only because nothing was ever proven in a court of law. Ah because she died within twenty four hours of being admitted to the hospital. State Law requires autopsy. Be Done dissident happen. Somehow Jones body was removed from the hospital at embalmed before an autopsy could be performed. Okay it's even rumored did. Embalming was stopped at the funeral home so that Jones could begin. There were multiple different. Autopsies performed on Joan at different times arms after her death. One concluded that aside from a Maroon. coloration of her pancreas. He wasn't sure what caused her death but he offered an opinion that she may have died. From pancreatitis. Another meningitis septicemia a fulminating infectious process. There's just no way for them to know because she was involved before anybody got to her. She had no fluids or anything and is my opinion that the Joanne Robinson Hill can't or death as a result of a fulminating infectious process these specific nature of which is no longer determine -able the immediate embalming and the initial autopsy in an environment not equipped to perform adequate bacteria logic Vira vira logic and toxicological studies precluded proper pathological determination of the exact cause of death in this particular case the hospital. Hospital course and the suddenness of the death required immediate notification to the office the medical examiner article forty nine point two five Texas Code of Criminal Procedure One thousand nine hundred sixty five as amended. It has further opinion that the exact cause manner of death cannot be established from the exhumed body autopsy alone however in view of the unusual circumstances surrounding this death and the questions raised following the death breath and a review of the hospital chart which I became available at the time of the exclamation autopsy. A thorough grand jury investigation in his indicated and here with recommended some assuming when she got to the hospital. They took blood urine samples all of that so they did what happened. They threw away all right. The last autopsy was done by Dr Milton Halpern who was hired by Ash Robinson. Okay Okay and in nineteen seventy seventy. He noted that John Hills treatment of his wife at home and the delay in seeking specialized medication at a hospital. Were factors in the death of Joan. Two months after Joan's death against the advice of his attorney John Hill married an cars. Okay after the death of his daughter it can only be said. That ash was out to score some earth. Okay that was his only daughter his only child. She was daddy's girl. This was this was absolutely unacceptable to act Robinson right basically shouted from every rooftop in the city. The John John Hill had murdered his beloved Joan. As they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease in this case it did it does hurt. He was also an oilman. Yeah the third grand jury to hear the case. May John the first person in taxes history to be indicted for murder by omission in which Dr ill had had quote willfully intentionally culpably contributed to his wife's death because he had not given her sufficient medical help right John Hills trial began on February fifteenth nineteen seventy-one not long after the start of the trial during testimony being given by an Kurth breath. John's now ex wife with their marriage only lasting less than a year she blurted out the John told her he had killed Joan. The mistrial was granted ranted and the second trial was set for November of Nineteen seventy-two. It should be noted that an Kurth later sued and author for three three million dollars claiming libel for his description of her being quote a provocatively dressed heavily made up woman and quote. This case ended up being dismissed in September of nineteen seventy two upon arriving home from a trip to Vegas with his third wife. John Hill was shot to death in the front entry way of his home by masked robber in front of his son and his mom who had both been bound and gagged inside the house. Okay plot twist. Yeah Bobby Wayne. Van Ver was arrested for John's murder. In April of nineteen seventy-three. He confessed that he had been hired to carry out the murder for five grand and during his confession he implicated a martial mckittrick and a LILLO policy as having been accessories to John's murder suit. RANDOM PEOPLE I. Hey it said that bobby was dating Marsha mckittrick who was friends with Lilla. Polus us. who was rumored to be a madame okay and she was friends with Ash Robinson? HOUSTON THE AGE SAN hold it down. Rail saw okay on April. Twenty fifth of nineteen seventy three. A grand jury voted to indict Bobby Vancouver and Marsha mckittrick trick for first degree murder. They also indicted Lilla policy as an accomplice to murder. Bobby Vancouver's trial was Saffir. September of Nineteen seventy three. That trial was eventually rescheduled for April of Nineteen. Seventy four. Bobby Vanderveer failed to appear. He had moved to Longview. Texas is and kind of was attempting to like be reformed in like live normal life with lake his live in girlfriend and kids and all that kind of stuff. Okay okay so a longview. Police officer John. Roemer Longview is tiny from personal experience. Of being in Longview reese it I would say recent within the past decade I can only imagine what it was almost fifty years ago because they still have the the whole you know like Main Street Brennan Swears Yeah thank roads all of it. So it's it's just passed. I just wanted to set that because the police officer officer noticed bobby it is town when he showed all the ad okay but he sees this guy role in town. He's like who the hell is this guy right so I just wanted it to be clear that this is tiny town sheriff. And now like he's in Houston in some. HP D. officers like that's a nude in town like like Nah. This is like a talent like ten people right and so can totally see that happening now. right exactly so the sheriff sees this new kid in town on and he's like who the hell is this. Bobby was living under an assumed name obvious after discovering that the man's first name was actually bobby. The police officer confronted him at a cafe. One evening in May it was actually the night before he was supposed to come back to Houston to testify gray. A bobby pulled a gun in the police officer shot him dead with him. Never having a chance to testify under questioning. Marsha corroborated bobby the story. She was tried and convicted in nineteen seventy four of being his getaway driver and given a ten year sentence. She was paroled after serving five. What's willow was convicted of accomplice to murder and given a thirty five year sentence? No comment to appeal. I feel there will be a sentencing hearing on the tenth of March. There'll be additional evidence that hearing Hopefully evidence that we were not able to present here and other than that I cannot comment Robinson be appearing then the sentencing is set for March tenth and little policy could get anywhere from two to life in prison. Kerr only limbic to news on the thing. She died of breast cancer at the Gatesville. Women's prison on May sixteenth of nineteen eighty six. The rumor has always been that Ash. Robinson set up the entire hit. This rumor has never been proven as such a kind of adds to the lore of this infamous Houston crime under Texas law. You have to have corroboration of an accomplice. Testimony and even into accomplices or ten accomplices would not make a case under Texas law. You have to have other evidence outside of the accomplish. Our compasses that show. That person would be guilty of a crime to make a case of evidence team. Well other types of evidence that would connect the person with a crime other than testimony from an accomplice. It could include all kinds of evidence like confession from a defendant or other eye-witnesses or circumstantial evidence that came from physical evidence evidences sometime but she would have to have independent evidence exclusive of the accomplice that would show the person probably guilty. Anyone who who knew anything as long dead Ashra Nsen died in Florida in nineteen eighty five leaving the city in an attempt to escape publicity. Marsha mckittrick an Kurth both passed away by the only surviving member of the family is Booth Hill and he now resides in the northeast. So what do we think. I don't know so a the the one question that I have been Not that I've been ignoring you but I've been stuck on this for like thirty minutes. Now if he poisoned the ECLAIR. Why didn't he just poison the cream? Puff a giver a Damn Cream Puff. Then it wouldn't be suspicious. You often look at me and tell me not to insert logic into situations. Am I wrong here. Though noted that be the smart thing to do. Maybe he didn't do it. I read also. I don't know if you can confirm or deny this. was he growing stuff in Petri dishes. This so this is a good time to drop our sources right okay. So there is the Bible on this case. Which is the nineteen seventy six book written by? Hi Tommy Thompson called blood money if you haven't read it a highly recommended. His it's amazing. I'm sure we'll be making the rounds here within this week I I have no doubts. That's one of our main sources and Kurth wrote a book the mistress and that is what you're referencing in that in part part of her testimony somewhere she alleges that in the time that she was having an affair with John in their little love nest that they we had. She saw him growing fungi or something right in Petri dishes at his apartment. Okay okay but I mean. She's not a row credible witness. I mean I just don't know what a plastic surgeon needs to do with research that Riley growing your own penicillin. What what are you doing back there? Yep So when she's not exactly she's not the most reliable witness I will go ahead and pull up our other source because I know you you were Kinda you know like if we should. I'M GONNA go ahead and go there. She does want to remain anonymous. saw that she's very professional person. It should deals a lot with things that are over our heads that she is very close to this situation very close so close that she almost bought the House on courtesy. Thirty at fifteen sixty one curry the house but she said that when they walked in to look at it it just had this feeling bright even her husband even chimed at this point to be like yet. The House will sucked up. It was literally like they walked in. And we're like no. Yeah because this. She's super into this like she wanted the house and then they went to go see it and everything and they were just like Oh never mind. Yeah so that being said ahead. We have seen a lot from this case that we're just like Oh my Lord could see I mean is Josh dropping the amount of information mation and just everything you know if everybody was like yeah for sure he totally poisoned her to death at totally like everybody is like we're done. This isn't the only we know multimillionaire murder that's happened in the city. The differences at this one is so like level up level up plots miss was so like extra extra. Yeah and then at the end of the day none of it's ever solved. It's like you finish the game in. It's like what the fuck is that where it's supposed to play now. Yeah exactly so yes. It's like that now. Through this source sheep went out a another fury that she kind of picked up on so she actually came across previous divorce records heads of Joan. which tied in another player into this whole story because Joan had been married John was her third marriage right so one of her previous previous husbands they had sort of back and forth over some land or house which never fully got resolved? Ever there Sushi through in this theory that she had that possibly that guy who happened to be like a top dog in the dixie Mafia. Yes so can we elaborate on that a little bit. Because I'm not sure this might be a theory that none of our listeners have heard the way the theory runs is just that this only applies to John. This doesn't apply to Joan. Yes exactly. I should John John. I mean the running theory is it's not proven but the running theory is that John Poison Joan Rice. I mean that's kind of the running theory. Nobody can approve it so we're not saying he murdered her. Were just saying. That's the running theory that he poisoned her and that's how she died right. The rumors that ash made the hit happened. She introduced a rumor to us or not a rumor. I guess there's the theory that ash setup the head. She introduced a brand new theory to us that the Dixie mafia was connected to John in a way way through one of Jones ex-husband's right so they didn't have anything to do with her death but they may have had something to do with John's. Yes exactly I guess I was kind of moving fast forward here. But that's what I meant that her ex husband was tied into this ex-father in-law comes to him. Can you believe what this motherfucker did. And he said you know what we're going to handle this guy I feel like that's great theory and I am a little. I mean I'm not upset. We can't say her name but she knows so that she showed us the paperwork. She she did I just I with all due you get three people to confess you convict to people you get the third one. Two of them tripped on each other right. But wasn't the shooter somehow tied into the Mafia thing. Also also yeah but like what is he like. He's just a goon. So ash goes to ex husband. Yeah look with this knowing. Ex- has been in has a little bit of authority was able liquid. This motherfucker does ex. Husbands sends the order down the line to go and it just so happens to fall fall on the boyfriend of a changing can be traced back to Ash Robinson. Literally the worst thing you want when you set up a fucking. Hey man fortunate coincidence. What's that my thing is? He could have hired the bobby character in Bobby. Got The women on board not in so you know what I mean so topdog no. Well fuck that. You're telling me the role in Houston you're banging check. Who is friends with like the rich dude and it's like by the way because they all knew like all three of them new because is there excess and they're fucking murderers right so like the dude and his girlfriend friends with benefits they both now and then this one knows because these two you like? This one's the Madam and this was the prostitute and somehow ash knows this one so like they're all sitting around talking about it not realizing that it's ashes daughter. Okay Hey there you just added fuel to my fire. You don't even know it. Oh my God. She's a fucking madam of a brothel most likely links. She has some sort of standard like all that the Fowler ask got her to fucking find a dude to kill It works both ways on my hand. I think it's just easier like the simplest answer is small town circle because I knew the way it works supposedly according to the book. Is that of action. You Madam Madam turn around. Because she knew that this prostitutes boyfriend was so we know that the prostitute prostitution thing didn't didn't have anything to do with the mafia to begin with. I'm sure did I have a lifetime. Supply of foil for these tinfoil outs. were making four ninety nine. Dan Call now. I one hundred listeners. Get Two for the price of one. So I'm just GONNA put one on for this situation. We need to get a phone number. We'll be like a late night. Radio Station maybe we could do that. I wonder if anybody would listen. If broadcasted live on Saturday night and we gave people a number to call in. We could talk to home. Okay you guys let us know the group. Let us know if you'd call in for like it could be like the Dr drew show used to do love line. Ah Hashtag aging myself HASHTAG. Dr Drew is Super Cute. We could totally do it. It'd be like the love line like true crime interesting Saturday. Night broadcasts lime storm some ideas. I feel like I should mention at this point it. Don't go bug the people at fifteen sixty one carbon suggest for people alone living with their own life seriously. Apparently this houses wanted so just like on the same thread of not stopping at this house because people do live there. And it's busy street in it's dangerous so we're not condoning this behavior At all and this is not like dry humor were serious yes through our are you know secret source. There has been since this incident several more incidents throughout time. I JUST WANNA put on record. Sources may was supposedly Dunlop. Since this incident. The House has had quite a few other things going on we. I will not go into specifics about that but I just leave it to say that you know how we're talking about Glenwood and Rice hotel and all of that. y'All what she's trying to say. It is haunted as Fox who just leave it alone asphalt as haunted as y'All lead them people the alone seriously. Like would you really want somebody just like kicking your door like Ding Dong can take a picture in your entryway cause some dude got shot here like you might interrupt like Bunko night or something. Like don't be rude so one last thing before we wrap this case up the anniversary of Jones death is actually march nineteenth. which which is Tuesday if you guys want to? She is actually enforced. Park Cemetery on Westheimer and you can go pay respects if you like. Don't wake her up. y'All leave that woman alone. Don't take you easy boards out there. I don't want any of that. Like gnarly Shit. Just leave her alone. Go out there and tell her high the that will be fucked up that we didn't get in so when they buried her they put her in a dress and one friend specifically typically asked John d want her buried with any jewelry black her wedding ring or any of that other stuff. He specifically said no addresses enough so at one point when they went to exhume her body when they open did there was evidence that like somebody had already been in the casket like there. There was mud on the side and some other things so after the fact they went back and found paperwork the John had actually applied for the permit. Or whatever you I need. And he had already been in the casket before anybody else could get to it for. What's in that is? It's the case of Joan Robinson Hill like we said our sources are numerous and we thank every single one of them including but not limited to the book blood and money any by Tommy Thompson are confidential informant Fuzzy Dunlop. She knows who she is. The Chronicle Ancestry find a grave. Save you name it. We've looked at it. We've read it. Read it again all of it. We've read it all y'all so many thanks to everybody. Hey if you guys want some more information on this case we will have a bunch on our website. You can also check out and curse book which is prescription murder. There's is also a movie based on her book called murder in Texas starring. Sam Elliott Katharine Ross and Farah Fawcett along with Andy Griffith interesting past clearly. It's an older movie clearly Movie night for that. One that brings us to shout sauce. Start with itunes. We have so you know cool in Houston Age town Livia. Yeah she wall and Burgh to h town. We see you appreciate it guys read it. We've got sal PAL twenty three Facebook we have missed heather powers and Miss Stacy right. They both recommended us to their friends. Twitter we've got Shannon Addin Reynolds Maria and Corey Friedberg. Thank you guys offer listening. We've also guide Cougar. Dude left you off of my bobby for me. We know tweet recently. So here's your special shouts make up the vad which brings me around in my last shout out to the Liverpool football club Houston Supporters Group. Yes S. you'll never walk alone much love to Leo. 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Here's our woody rather for this episode. Aw I was GONNA make it way harder this I actually picked this one semi okay Maya idea was Kinda rejected because it was a heart art. Tearing situation in Do that y'all I saved that. y'All I have taken hits all night long and I just WanNa say that I save jaw from this fucking bullshit shoot. It was fantastic. We'll put it out later later after we've like groom them a little bit more okay. We'll put it out later. It was pretty. I couldn't even answer. It was my what would you you get one of the two options one only only would you rather the city of Houston get a new theme park. I E astro world world or. Would you rather the city of Houston get a hockey team. ooh I feel like this could be almost heart wrenching as yours for some of our listeners. Some yes there's share until when if you're listening I know which way I vote right and you know if you WANNA hook up with cash. We've got our Houston life protein for everybody. WE'RE GONNA circle back around to Saint Patty stay. Don't period Dr Period drunk period. Okay they have this thing in England and they call it drink-driving driving because in England they have zero tolerance for this. I don't understand why we can't get our shit together. I know I sound like the stern mom. That's disappointed and it's because I am. I love this city and I don't WanNa see any of the residents killed because somebody somebody is to fuck cheap or proud or whatever to fucking call an Uber. Yeah or lift. Whatever you prefer I don't give a shit like pick one some ribe share some friend? Some person you're sleeping with. I don't care who it is. I'm serious like I don't mean to sound like patronizing. y'All I just don't understand why we can't get this together like in this day and age where we're literally summoning strangers off the Internet to drive us around in their cars I. I don't understand why we can't pay them as a whole to drive around drunk. What's the problem at immune to go on a tangent? It's just one of those things that even offs ostby being out in an Uber. That's dangerous to us. Yes that's a good point like there are those of us who are out being responsible. We ruin win. Everything we do and do ver- I've Roy Neuberger and say Patrick's Day in one episode. I feel like our job here is done. Christ you know if you guys are pissed off. I've ruined all of your holiday so far this year. Hit me up I am murder. City pod CC. On twitter. I am at murder city pod on twitter and Instagram Ram. I am CC. Ed Murder City pod dot com murder city pot at Gmail Dot Com K. suggestions cold-case call case tips telling us she likes us. Whatever I'll take you guys? Check out the website or post new merch. Feel like us is less now.

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Case 128: Joan Vollmer

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Case 128: Joan Vollmer

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Play Shy nights for this episode on your APP or on our a website on Sunday January tenth nineteen ninety three fifty four year old peak Fhimah Wrath Loma and. He's forty nine year old wife Joan. Pretend time from awake long interstate trip. The couple who lived in the Victorian country town of Antwerp had driven four and a half hour west to attend a six day religious convention. In the South Australian capital Dole of Adelaide graph a devout and dot and Christian had been eager to attend the event and while Joan didn't share her husband's fervor she. She attended church regularly and so great to accompany him. The vacation had passed without incident but shortly after their arrival home. Kim Jones dotted to behave badly. She had difficulty concentrating. On tasks would frequently change bids throughout the day was restless and and struggled to fall asleep. According to Ralph as Tom went on she also started making peculiar noises and adopting different designers on one occasion. She acted as though she were shaped Sheera. Speaking in tone and manner consistent with a farmhand on another she claimed to be a sex worker while describing the activities she had participated in with supposed clients. It wasn't the first time Ralph had witnessed joined nine behaving this way two years earlier. She was hospitalized the Breif and mental illness but had made a fairly quick recovery and had been in good health of scenes. It's now it appeared has symptoms. Were returning over the course of the next two weeks. They seem to worsen particularly at Naughton. I'm on the evening of Friday January. Twenty two Ralph Return Time to find to join waving her arms and dancing in their properties patties. I'm deeply troubled. By the way he's wafts. Well Bang had deteriorated. Graph prayed to God for guidance The women are is original. Inland district. In Victoria's west predominantly characterized by dry flat farmlands and two two hundred and seventy eight kilometer into into river that bears the same name passing through the region's unofficial capital city of Horsham. The river ones West and then continues north to winter that Tony Outback John. Nine nine duff to the Belgian hyme CD of early European settled law in the eighteen sixties to Protestant missionaries arrived in antwerpen pen to build a church and mission where they aimed to convert the local indigenous population. Domitian was closed forty years light out due to low congregation. The numbers than today stands tourist attraction towards the end of the twentieth century into a time to just sixty three inhabitants evidence. It had lost. General stole a Ryo citing into small station where residents could catch a bus to Horsham to US awake the two lane Dioula Rainbow Road carved through the towns sperling food which would dotted bus scrubs eucalyptus trays and several disused grain grain silos stood out against the mostly natural landscape. Ralph than joined Vilma had moved to Antwerp in the late nineteen nineties. He's purchasing one of the town's traditional farmsteads where they raised pigs born in Germany in nineteen thirty eight right before the outbreak of world. Whoa to Ralph had emigrated to Australia with his family? When he was a teenager up he had completed primary school in Germany but the move interrupted he's education and he never enrolled in secondary school? He's family moved to the Melbourne suburb of Coalfield. And he's parents both worked in factory tree production. Eventually they saved enough money from working vitton to afford a small rural property and gibbs land a region in the states southeast southeast wrath grew up to based softly spoken man who found it difficult to trust others and mostly kept to himself but when he it did form friendships they were extremely strong he worked as a farmhand and perform dot jobs before making his first wife and settling down in the gibbs land town of Yarom the couple had two sons the rafts waft passed away in the mid nineteen seventies and he raised Richfield by himself when he sons growing up. They moved away to start their own families. Ralph remained single until nineteen ninety six when he met and fell in love with John John. Lenora Tyler was a petite woman with short wavy light at Brown hair who is typically described as shy gentle and loving her childhood and early adulthood. Were mad by sexual abuse news and she was later diagnosed with schizophrenia resulting in several Stinson mental health hospitals which left her with fear of sake. ETRY CARE So. She struggled to make friends and to maintain ongoing work though she adored children and had been employed as a nanny for taunt as a a young woman she married and had a baby but was left in a state of anxiety Blaine when her husband took Zayn Lav. Her Law appeared to turn around in her early forties when she met Ralph who light it compared their early relationship to a miracle. The new couple decided ought to start afresh loft together in an entirely different part of the state settling on. The women are raging and purchasing the farm in Antwerp in nineteen ninety eight. So then you home was a single story where the board farmhouse with a Wide Verandah. That said at the end of a five hundred made a driveway framed by several trees. The rear of the property backed onto the banks of the women are river. Joan an avid gardener immediately. You said about planting a nate border of God embeds around the House and establishing greenhouse. She also decorated her new Heim with vases porcelain ornaments and cat figurines. The couple didn't involve themselves in the local community but those who met Jaren in town described arrest friendly. Nay the Ralph nor Jain had bank religious when they met but several years into their relationship they discovered that faith they became Christians they married at Horsham Salvation Army Church in nineteen ninety nine and began attending Sunday Mass Day. Uh Ralph was a far more impassioned Belabor. Compared to his wife spending he spent on listening to him send reading religious texts. While Joan prefer to watch television she was content to be involved with the church but in the words of one local minister not to be fanatical about in contrast Ralph was got to learn as much as he could about Christianity. The most Deby's Lawf- he had only attended church for for weddings and funerals. But after converting he would constantly engage others on the topic listening enthusiastically to those who claimed that deep knowledge of the bobble uh in their homes kitchen he hung up block. That Red Cross does the head of this house. The unseen guest in every meal the silent listener to every conversation. Uh within two years of moving to an TWA join began exhibiting so lines of mental health crosses in the spring of nineteen ninety she. She suddenly became extremely restless. was unable to slate and struggled to concentrate on task so conversations yet saint oblivious that something was is wrong. She also became fixated on her childhood discussing it frequently in a child lock voice one day. She told Ralph Alf that she had done a painting for him. Only to reveal she had coded his car in house paint from the beginning. RAFF suspected the DOC forces were responsible for his wife's changes in behavior he noticed expression in Harare's that terrified him describing them as being bright bright red almost glowing almost like calls when she was overcome with fit of rage outside a front and drought locked talked himself in the house he consulted Salvation Army captains at the church. The couple attended seeking gardens on the Madda rejecting rejecting his suggestion. There was quite a naval presence in June two captains instead offered the couple marriage canceling displeased with this response graft scheduled a doctor's appointment vagina at a medical clinic in the nearby town of Dim Boola. The General Practitioner concluded rooted join was suffering from mental illness and should be admitted as an involuntary patient into a psychiatric hospital in light September. She was taken into light so at Mental Health Hospital in the regional city of Ballarat. A three hour drive southeast from her home so I call a truce that darkness. Mark Nice to join with. Dang so addy depression schizophrenia and taught a mania a mood disorder which can cause increased energy difficulty concentrating restlessness restlessness endeared ability. She remained at the hospital for three weeks and bug me. Taiba her sleigh patent had improved though would still wasn't back to normal upon release doctors prescribe to join an antipsychotic medication. Called Doi redesign which was then commonly used to trade schizophrenia. They instructed her to take it for twelve months cautioning her that if she stopped there was a strong possibility of relapse within the next two years nine days after joins release she was still struggling with persistent restlessness so she andraos made another doctor's appointment although join was coherent. The doctor noted she had difficulty remaining seated and expressed that the problem might have been the thoughts I retain as education was a side effect of the drug joins dosage was half and she was also prescribed a second medication education to help manage the restlessness. The doctor asked the couple to return in five days for follow up appointment but she never saw them again again. Giants continued suffering convinced. Ralph that the doctors were able to help. He suggested to jain submit to deliverance. A of ministry similar to an x zoom in which an individual is cleansed devil spirits and demons joined nine refused telling her husband. Does nothing wrong with me. Ralph then turned to his religious friends for advice and was instructed to pray right to go to bond the spirits he did and when Jones health improved shortly after Ralph attributed her recovery to his press this and she ceased taking medication saying giants recovery increase drafts fighting God even further into religion became the focal point. If he's lawf- one neighbor were delighted. Recall that while he could have a normal conversation with Joan fine. It was impossible to talk to Ralph without the subject of religion being raised in his quest to find a lock Monday paypal. Ralph had become become acquainted with a couple of nine to John. Julianne Rockin back both aged thirty. who had encouraged him to FRY? Giants recovery the Rock and backs resided on a remote farmstead in the town of Glen Lay located roughly twenty eight kilometers west of Antwerp. Now you had met it through their involvement in the Lutheran faith with Leeann attending services in dance out the portion and John's family being well regarded odors of another nearby church approach. They married and by the early nineteen nineties had four children Vitton. They found themselves increasingly drawn onto charismatic Christianity abundance gentlest movement. That emphasizes abilities believed to be bestowed by the hallway. Spirit such as speaking in tongues performing miracles and being able to heal the sick during the early nineteen nineties to charismatic movement was on the rise throughout throughout the women are raging becoming increasingly popular with individuals who had previously practiced more conventional branches of Christianity. John and Leeann Rockin back believed they had a Devan coaling to exorcise demons and began performing deliverance. is they also also established therein prayer circle at their home with groups ranging from six to twenty five people gathering dead to sing hymns and studied biblical passages as soon Ralph. Vilma was irregular a ten day and developed a close friendship with the couple considering them to be the only to truly release spirit. Filled people of their entire congregation. Helluva the Rock and backs involvement with the charismatic movement led to clashes with their Luther Luther and Minnesota when he pointed out that some of the new beliefs contradicted the Bible's teachings. They would argue that the Lord had spoken to them personally. Snowy that disagreements with the Church's doctrine eventually led to them being excommunicated from their congregation in late Nineteen ninety-two uh in early January nineteen ninety-three Ralph and Joan travelled to Adelaide to attend to seek day charismatic Arithmetic Movement Convention. That the rock him back said recommended to them the week. Long event was characterized by lots of singing preaching and people people performing minor miracles such as healing and casting out demons throughout at all Jones saying to moody into withdrawn but the trip paused without any significant incidents when the couple arrived back home on Sunday January ten Jones Manic symptoms returned eh and quickly worsened. She was once again restless and unable to sleep. And according to Ralph would snort luck at peak make aggressive SUV facial expressions that hey compared to an angry dog swear loudly and speak about lewd activities. routh attributed adjoins behavior to spiritual problems when he had prayed to bond the evil spirit within her two years earlier he believed he had rented ineffective effective but failed to cast it up now. He suspected it had been reawakened by the strong spiritual atmosphere and Dinara Schmidt of the Convention attention and was rebelling against it over the next ten days. Ralph prayed often for God's the worried that he was harassing God with concerns turns that he was already aware of as a reminder to himself. Ralph painted the words. Stop telling father your needs in red paint. On a net saw wall of the properties Peak Star on Thursday January twenty one sixty three year old Roma carris quote the bus from Horsham to win to a to stay with her friend. To Join Valmont was the middle of summer and temperatures in the region. What consistently soaring above a forty degrees Celsius when Roma grated Joan? She was shocked to find her friend to dress in a naughty heavy dressing gown that we lost called Hands Ed's throughout the visit journ race. DHEC crockery Khuda proflowers from a bouquet Raimo had given her and sang in a peculiar Jio voice that Roma described as lovely luck and Nightingale Grima rose observed that joins stomach appeared to be swollen swollen. Join Tall Roma that. She was both expecting a baby and that the swelling was due to a cancerous tumor. She insisted they were people on the property. Who wanted to riper? The when she tried to point the math to her friend Ramos or nothing believing that join was is heading for quite a nervous breakdown. Roma told Ralph of her concerns on the following morning. A Friday January twenty two before returning home. Uh that evening Ralph Reed San time from shopping to fall into John Dancing biff foot in the paddocks six while waving her arms and cooling at to him he is good at her into the house only vagina to run away and began to light of that naught four kilometers medes away deeply disturbed. Ralph prayed to God for guidance as the way he should turn for help believing he received any in Saudi Arabia to the Rock and backs. He phoned John and asked him to come over. Joan arrived at the Vulnr- residence at around eleven thirty PM. He into Leeann had participated in as many as twenty deliverance. As bodies talk and upon Sane State that Joan was in. John quickly deduced juiced that she was a victim of the money possession. He told Ralph that deliverance was no longer an option but a necessary action. In order to save I saw Rafeh grade and the two of them stayed awake all night. Praying for Joan and reading passages aloud from the bobble. The next morning of Saturday January. Twenty three Leeann Rockin back arrived and took her husband's place by joint saw Waldron returned. Home to the couple's children SHAEF owned other members of their circle to ask for guidance and assistance in praying for Joan at the top of her list was lay Clugston as seventy-seven-year-old Baptist who resided in the town of Rainbow. Fifty two kilometers north of Antwerp were the rock and bax conceited Laya to be something of a spiritual leader as she claimed to speak directly with God often consulting with Leeann over the telephone. Leah came to the conclusion that John was possessed by not one but ten demonic entities and provided provided advice on how to expel able spirits following lays instructions row findlay and had joined sit in a chair at one end of the kitchen while they said at the other residing biblical passages praying and asking junk questions while Christian music played in the background. This pattern repeated over the next two days Ralph deliverance sessions commenced during the mid-afternoon and continued it throughout the naught sometimes not concluding until five. Am Occasionally Jon. Rahm back would join them in person but other times they regularly called him for Voss along with Leah and several other prayer circle members after three days with no change in joins behavior. It was decided that they needed someone else to join them. And strengthen their efforts mm-hmm David Klingner was a twenty eight year old contract Haavisto's who had grown up in northern New South Wales. The nail lived in South Australia. He had attended attended the Rock and backs presser who on a number of occasions where he had become acquainted with the raft. FOMER as well. David had also met Joan own and already Hubbard some suspicions about her even before receiving ankles from Leeann Rockin back explaining that Joan was undergoing a deliverance. He had seen the vomits at a New Year's a prayer gathering full-week Soliah and thought that Joan had a blank expression on her face during the service at one stage. He believed he saw her eyes. Roll back into her head. From that moment he suspected there was a demonic presence in And Nail that had seemingly been confirmed when the group asked him to join them he felt. It was his duty to assist on Tuesday. January twenty six David made considerable journey across the state border to windward upon arriving at the property. He felt that the atmosphere there was locked. That ova quote spiritual battle between God and Satan. He prayed and and read from the Bible along with wrath and Lianne the trio maintained their efforts throughout the entire day and into Wednesday is well regularly checking checking in with their presser associates. According to David joined became increasingly verbally abusive and aggressive. As Tom went on but Thursday January twenty eight joins restlessness had worsened to the point that she refused to stay seated and resisted resisted. The group's prayers in response. Ralph suggests that they saw her fate to wooden planks to prevent her from moving around and making what he described brought does satanic gestures they also began depriving journey of food and water as a way of stopping the demons in so at her mm-hmm when she complained to her hunger and thirst. They would prey even loud to drown out her cries. Questioning of giant piss persisted. And if she didn't provide satisfactory replies they slapped her face says mains of telling her in rows words come on give us an any and saw on a couple of occasions. Ralph became distressed that witnessing the toolman he's off was enduring including the bruises that had formed on her skin when he voiced his concerns that this could not be. God's Will Leeann and David pointed out to Ralph that it wasn't his wife. They were physically deeply battling but a demonic presence. They reassured him that workload not harming journey in any way we would just dealing with the evil spirit. Nevertheless the group were at a loss as to why they couldn't see any improvement in Janesville Bain despite the growing intensity the city of their deliverance. Lear advised them over the fire and they were to need to call for more rain. Forced -ment if the Damon still remained by Saturday throughout the XS ISM. The group had also Van Consulting Fellow Prayer Circle Attendee. Kathleen Dusky over the phone. Like Leah Clugston Cast Blaine lived in Rainbow and felt it was her replication to assist with Pres- and Gardens in the face of the groups continued failure to exercise joins Damon's Kathleen suggest that that her son twenty two year old matthew pull Naski join them leave to nearly four hundred kilometers away in the mobile suburb suburb of Warren Dot and was employed as an assistant grandkids Barrett. A golf course. He had never participated in a deliverance before the Kathleen advised that he was particularly sensitive to the message of God in the presence of evil having previously detected. Damon's that resided in a house asked that he lived in when Saturday January thirty door with no perceivable change in Joan Kathleen pulled her son and he agreed eight to make the long drive to win to up. It was another hot day with the temperature raging forty degrees by noon when Matt Eupol Naski pulled up to the property in anticipation of his arrival. The group had removed all of the kitchens furniture with the exception of a single Chad. Eh Joan was restrained in her stockings. had been used to They two wooden planks that had been nailed together. She had barely really had anything to way to drink. Foday's Matthew light a said that when he entered the room John was unable to look at him which he attributed to her detecting the presence of Jesus in him as they begin the days Deliverance Matthew Blessed Somali oil and anointed into those present with it before running around the exterior of the house. Seven Times holding up a thirty centimeters squished shade of cling film in an attempt and to prevent evil spirits from entering. He then decided they needed to destroy items. That giant loved as they were Shawn's indulges for her devil. Devil Worship Ralph and David used a hammer to smash James Porcelain ornaments jewellery vases while matthew ripped out the flowers in in her beloved garden and Greenhouse Wants Matthew had prepared for the XS. He reentered the kitchen and said to jared and in the name of Jesus a demand you to sit down while the other three attempted to pin down. John was distressed. The struggled against them with what they perceived as an inhuman strength of his several hours she was repeatedly interrogated while Leeann impressed forcefully against her stomach abdomen and chest in an effort to push out the demons that were inside a David hold joining running ahead block. Enterprise Horizon have been with these fingers so that she had to look at Matthew while he preached saying over and over in the precious name of the Lord. Jesus released this woman. The slapping continued with the Jain receiving approximately twenty hits to the face at one stage. Her jewel was wrenched open in an effort to remove Damon. Leon continued to call her husband John and to Laya Clugston keeping them up to date with proceedings and following directions through the questioning of Joan and the group believed they had identified one of the demons as the legion. A powerful spirit that Jesus had once cost from a possessed man they claimed that when controlled by Leijon Joan adopted a masculine persona this contrasted with another spirit. Cold Baby Journey. Who Baby Princess Joan? Who spoke in Child Lock Voice and detailed sexual abuses that had been inflicted on her as a young girl after several hours? The group believed that I had successfully driven out a number of Damons including baby Princess Giren and another that resembled a pig but that lay gin and another strong Mayo. Spirit remained hiding in Jones wound at four o'clock in the afternoon. She was moved to her bedroom for the excess `ISMs faunal stage once in the bedroom germ. The group took it in turns to sit on John and push on her stomach. Chest Neck and head to force the one or two Damon's yod concentrating adding most of their attention on her abdomen before moving up body by around four thirty PM thou focusing on joins neck firmly massaging it when she suddenly shouted and to meet it allowed grown before falling still does present interpreted this as the demons leaving and Matthew declared that the evil spirits had finally been defeated as the others began to celebrate. Ralph noticed that he was no longer breathing and filter risk for pulse. Failing to one he eluded the others and two. They attempted the to revive giant via math math resuscitation. When misfiled Matthew reassured the group that entering a state such as this it was normal for an individual who had just undergone a successful deliverance after consulting with Laya Clugston by telephone matthew announced that John would arise by the next morning restored to perfect health? He told the others deprive her then departed the property ready to attend to other matters. The remaining trio a poodle quilt ever Jones Buddy and began to sing songs of God's victory injury the following day Sunday January thirty one churn had failed to wake as promised Leeann Rock and back find delay Clugston and Kathleen Dusky who agree to visit the property so they could lay hands on John and to pray for her in person Uh when the women arrived they pressed the hands on joins forehead and commanded her to rise up into walk to no avail. Aw Leah repeated the process three times before leaving in the afternoon. Those at the farm continued to hold a vigil. Oakland Sing Hymns while at home Lee prayed for further instructions regarding what she had seen at the vulne residence on Monday morning joining of the consulting with her sister in Law Leeann believed she had received another rather worldly message telling her to call the authorities. Hiring can be a slow process. 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Geoffrey on it was on Judy in the town of Japan on Monday February one when a coal came through from the local Lutheran Minister requesting an offices present instead of property in Antwerp twenty six kilometers south. The minister had just been summoned the himself and was disturbed by what he had found and when constable on at arrived at the vulnerable farmhouse at around two PM. He was graded by a balding man. Who identified himself as David Klingner and stated? It's a long story entering the house. The policeman soul row Vilma into Leeann rock and Beck say did at the kitchen table. Leeann reading aloud from a bottle and Ralph using amok to highlight passages relating to resurrection continuing down a Hallway Hallway to the bedroom constable on it sorefame all buddy with noticeable facial and on bruising in an advanced state of decomposition lying on the bed flies and maggots had gathered on the body under which there was an enormous stain on a mattress and avail ODA permeated the room constable. Long it estimated the woman had been dead for several days upon returning to the kitchen. He saw Ralph still rating. He's Bobble and noticed. There was quite a strange atmosphere of calm constable on queried Ralph as to whether he would be making funeral arrangements for his wife. The RAFF responded that they wouldn't pay a funeral and he was a bet to witness the greatest miracle as joined would soon walk out of the bedroom alive life with completely restored body shocked constable on made no further comment and called for backup row pretend to rating. He's Babu. David told other responding officers that Joan had thought as the group had been physically reading the demonic spirits spirits from her. When queried as to how John's buddy had become so bruised he explained that the demons had given her enormous strength and she had to be forcefully? Forcefully held down the home Assad squad arranged to have the body taken to Melbourne for a post mortem examination that afternoon the noon Ralph Leeann and David were role. Take into Horsham police station to be formally questioned. They were interviewed for several hours by local police. Ace before homicide squad. Detectives arrived from Melbourne and commence the second phase of interviews in his account. Ralph Olma claimed that he had discovered disturbing things about his wife during the exorcism such as that. Her parents had sacrificed to of their other children. At birth and had baptized has turned the name of Satan wins. He was three years old after this alleged baptism she became known as baby princess. Joan to those who worship to citing Jones family who avoided the public spotlight following her death denied days claims. Ralph Folsom said that. John had been very distraught by her. Admission to light sought mental health hospital so he had made her a promise that she would never have to return to sake tricare eh this Sabena factoring seeking divine intervention for his wife instead of medical attention. He stated that he's fellow worshippers Leeann Rockin back. And David Klingner will more sensitive to the Voice of God than he was so for the most part he followed their laid when it came to you extracting information from John In regards to the mistreatment and injuries inflicted against John. Ralph insisted she wouldn't have have felt any physical pain quote. The would've heard my wife terribly but that wasn't my wife. We weren't dealing dealing with my wife anymore. This is the whole point. See a wooden. Allow anything like that to happen to my wife. You can't believe that she wasn't my wife. She was an evil spirit that needed to be dealt with. Despite having witnessed the decomposition position of her body he remained adamant that Joan would be revived stating he's expectation that God would provide her with a new body and quote would do a complete resurrection job. Leeann rock and back expressed her surprise. Join had Daud Ju to group pressing on on her neck saying that. They believed they were doing what was necessary to do. She told police should paint involved in deliverance for I j months but had never encountered anything lock John's case before David Klingner acknowledged that while it would have been appropriate to call an ambulance for journ and quite in worldly terms. The group had been dealing with the spiritual meadow. He said God had provided him a message that the case would receive. Whoa what attention lading those who had performed the XS and Bain criminally charged and possibly imprisoned in response? Today's consequences bunce's God would return John to life and quote. Shohei is victorious. In this day and age. The three individuals have committed to return home in the early hours of Tuesday February. Two later that day detectives visited the volume of property and filmed row as he took them on a tour of the homestead providing a narrative of the exorcism and pointing out where particular events take place lice. An autopsy determined that the thyroid Kotla Jin giant's neck pain fractured chewed due to the amount of pressure that the perpetrators at applaud and she died of cardiac arrest within two days of police funding her buddy. Both the styling Australian and international media outlets reporting on the bizarre case Ralph openly spoke to journalists who turned up at his property sharing all all of the details about the excesses him in one newspaper report published on Wednesday February three. He described the moment that he's waft odd unquote. There was a great noise of heating screaming and groaning. The noise down a looked at her eyes and US saw the light leave them he explained to her. Death wasn't reported because they had received messages that the Lord would raise her up. The giants funeral was scheduled for Friday February five less than a week after her death row informed the media he knew with absolute certainty that she would be resurrected before her body was light to rest stating she will tell. God's story to people people around the world and get sinners to repent. He was AK- that the media shared a story and invited journalists to attend so that you could witness the miracle for themselves. The modest service was held in Horsham at the Salvation Army Hall where Joan and Ralph had occasionally worshiped. Roughly Sixty joins friends and fellow. Church goers attended but her family were absent reportedly too distressed by the manner of her death. Ebbe there as many as thirty journalists and photographers as well as Horsham. Police officers mounted proceedings Salvation Army Captain Colin. Corkery presided over the service stating in ten years of ministry. We have never known any experience. The the base so traumatic in the two years. We have known Ralph and Jain we have nine them to be gentle simple and caring people he coercion against the lone ranger exorcists who operated at saw the bands of Churches Lorna Cayman Has Salvation Army sister said joins legacy legacy would be that happy. Caring loving woman who walked with the James's following the ceremony to Costco was taken to Horsham cemetery for burial with curious. Spectators gathered around the perimeter awaiting the alleged Miracle Ralph had promised after a Bible passage was shed giant's coffin was slowly lowered into its grave. And Ralph closed. These is tilting these head to the sky to pray When the casket touched the ground raff began subbing for the I don turning to his sons support as he finally realized John Jain was gone? He willingly spoke with records after the burial theorising. Perhaps Joan hadn't wanted to return because she locked Kevin Sorry March David Klingner also spoke with the press stating that he had nothing to God and if the police wanted to speak with him again quote quote then our guest warned me. He revealed that he and John Ryan back had already performed a deliverance on another woman just four days after John's death but this one had been a success sometime after the funeral wrath moved in with the Rock and backs WCHS helping out on the couple's FEMME and taking care of their children. While one of his sons took over the property at Antwerp the rock and backs press circle. Disbanded disbanded that Diane Ralph maintained their faith regularly attending services at another church in Horsham. Uh Police prepared a report for the Karna and three months off to John's death row foam. Ah Lien Rock. And Back David. Klingner and Matthew Naski. We're all charged with manslaughter. Ole Full received the bail and were rewarded. The face a three-day committal hearing in September on Monday September thirteen the four defendants h carrying bobble filed into Horsham Magistrates Court to religious this experts at Baptist theologian and a Catholic Church official gave evidence that while they believed in demonic possession. Such cases were rare and improved understanding of mental health had led them to believe many so-called possessions of the past had been mis diagnosed psychological disorders Jones mental health diagnosis two years earlier was relayed to the court and how the Rock and back C. Street with X. `SMS had led to them being expelled from their church which on the hearing second day Laya Clugston took the stand telling the court that she had regularly consulted the defendants throughout at the exorcism and while she had never met Joan. God had repeatedly confirmed that she was possessed. Leah stated that off the visiting the property property on January thirty one delaying hands on joins deceased body. She alerted the local Minnesota after much prayer on the Meta at various various stages. She would shudder and interrupt around testimony to channel the Voice of God exclaiming I'm sorry daddies good speaking yes. The pathologist to perform to joins autopsy testified that it was highly probable that her cardiac arrest was was a result of the pressure that defendants had placed on her neck. However has joined dodd? Five minutes longer after the force was applaud. The cause of death could not be determined with absolute certainty and there was insufficient evidence to prove it was a consequence of the x ISM on Thursday September Sixteen Magistrate. Tim McDonald conceded that although the board defendants had in all likelihood contributed to John's death he's he's decision was the draw. All of the charges stating I find. The prosecution has not produced enough evidence of sufficient white. Wait for jury too fond. The cardiac arrest was caused by application of pressure. On the neck of the deceased. Though surprised by the magistrate's decision all four defendants would pleased with the result. They sobbed clapped handing Bryce to their relatives and do newspaper photographers captured. Some of them smiling. Broadly as they left the courthouse will fall remained. Staunchly committed to their faith life and felt vindicated by the ruling with Ralph vulne telling journalists God's will has been done and dodgers praised rejoice in Lord. He gave media interviews the following day in which he remarked that God had been on trial telling Melbourne newspaper newspaper. The Sunday age that he disagreed with the funding that hey ended. The others had most likely contributed to John's death but that the magistrate had been his undestanding deigning as he could be when asked what he would do if he had his time. Aisa Ralph said he would still choose to exercise joan quote. I still maintain that she was possessed and it was God's will to take her home. The broad Broda community did not share the defendants views and would deeply disturbed by the ruling joins death had sent shockwaves through an TWA and the Water Wimmer region. Although many in the area raw dente Fahd as religious the majority of them attended a mainstream church and felt that the legal system was is not holding extremists accountable for their actions. A number of logos ed their grievances to the media with longtime into a reservoir an often pawlak telling the Sunday Age newspaper. Everyone reckons we can do anything to our WOK nail and get away with it as long as we preach the Gospel Ospel. Nobody's happy about it. Everybody's disgusted absolutely church. Spokespeople pointed out that disorder event was the risk paypal took when taking matters into their own hands rather than cooling enough religious authority the Royal Australian into New Zealand College of psychiatrists cold for a review of the case mental health work as expressed concern that vulnerable people may be targeted for recruitment meant by unconventional churches. As some people suffering from schizophrenia believed themselves to be possessed by Damon's Professor Graham Burrows Chairman of the Mental Health Foundation told the age if people have a psychiatric disease they should receive appropriate treatment. Indexes system is not one of them in the wake of the public. Outrage Victoria's or is director of public. Prosecutions continued to look into the case after reviewing the evidence with assistance from at least four legal advises. The charges against the former acquitted were rain stated on February fourteen nineteen ninety-four Ref Oma Leeann Rockin. Back David Klingner and Matthew Naski served with notices disdained trial for means Loda unlawful imprisonment and recklessly causing serious injury. They don't the excesses of Joan Vilma had lasted for over a wake. The charges related to their actions between noon and four thirty PM on Saturday. January thirty nineteen ninety-three. Do is leading up to her death. Oh four entered plays of knock guilty and to a granted bio uh-huh once again. The trial commenced on Monday October. Seventeenth nineteen ninety four and was a sensational event for the small single-story courthouse a jury of five women and seven men was sworn in and dozens of journalists and spectators of a sword the proceedings things rather than dismiss the defendants beliefs as outlandish. The prosecution's approached was bring in their own religious experts to testify that the behavior of the four accused did not aligned with mainstream Christianity. The jury was towed about Jones. Nineteen Ninety dark noses of anxiety depression schizophrenia and taught the mania her decision to seize taking medication and subsequent decline after attending the charismatic Christian Christian convention two years lyda video shot by investigators that the volume of property was also shown revealing stockings and boards used to restrain Joan. As well as Jones destroyed belongings and garden. It emerged during the trial that Ralph had not informed giants family about her cause of death joins brother-in-law Neville who was married to her sister. Dorothy gave evidence about a phone call. He received saved from Ralph three days after John's death letting them know that an autopsy was bang performed when asked how had death had occurred. Ralph mealy said she died slowly. The couple were left to learn that details from media reports a psychiatrist who had treated her like saw a mental health hospital provided background on her psychiatric history. A senior Catholic official gave evidence that the number of exorcisms performed had significantly declined over the years largely due to ongoing advances in the mental health. Field he also stated that an exorcism typically involved prayer and possibly laying hands on the head of the possessed individual. Nothing locked the treatment that Joan had vein subjected to though none of the accused took the stand liens husband. John Rockin Beck gave evidence. Hey claimed that Jones had been possessed by multiple spirits and described how she had appeared and behaved went under the influence of the entities. He identified as legion. Dan and baby Princess Joan. He also asserted that they had to known join was possessed because she revealed information about the exorcists that she we had no way of knowing when Matthew Nasty had arrived at the Femme Jones said twenty two peace pot which those present is an interpreted as a reference to his age and a problem he'd previously had with alcohol Leah Clugston was also gold to testify and again declared God was speaking directly to her just as she had at the committal. Hearing David. Clinger's defense attorney told told the court that his client would've you know participating in the exorcism as quote a serious neglect of his. Judy Leeann Rockin comebacks lawyer said exorcisms were not unlawful and none of her actions could have led to John's death on Tuesday October. Twenty five Lianne. Dan tended a letter to the court. Justifying the group's actions led US decided that the group performing the XS and knew that they were acting in God's will because he gave them confirmation that their actions were prop Leeann also noted that only God knew Joan had not been resurrected off the the death and the some good had resulted from the situation because the story had quote gun worldwide to highlight the existence of a spiritual spiritual realm braff foam. His barrister argued that his client was a reasonable person who had turned to his religious community community off the saying no improvement giant following her release from hospital in Nineteen Ninety when joins saint to recover. Shortly after Ralph prayed wait for her to get better. He attributed this to the power of prayer. Defense pointed to references to X.. zooms in the bobble saying that long tradition addition made demonic possession entirely reasonable to someone of faith a psychologist cold to give evidence about refs personality and character Acta said Ralph trusted the few friends he had implicitly. It had taken him more than a year to accept that he's Wath was deceased and wouldn't pay returning a month into the trial. The Barras Representing Matthew Naski ski requested to have the most serious charge against his client dropped. He's barrister argued that the crown had filed to make a case for manslaughter against inst- Matthew. Who was now? Twenty four in studying to be a missionary had the Inter Denominational College in Perth. Detroit Judge Justice grime crossly agreed. There was insufficient evidence to convict and instructed the jury to acquit Matthew of manslaughter. Awake light light on both sides gave their closing address prosecute a PD. James argued that Ralph should have recognized these wofford quiet professional medical help but instead common sense gave way to zealotry which led to a volatile sexism. He told the jury that the defendants had no brought to confined John or assaulted body. Adding had no consideration for Christianity. They went right past that they were on a frolic of their own and an unlawful frolic. The defense urged jurors to to reflect on the evidence without prejudice and said Assad sensationalist media reports. They might have read following John's death. They also pointed out that it was possible that John had daud firm asthma attack or an epileptic fit as the pathologist had not been able to determine the cause of death with absolute certainty not the jury had a difficult task ahead while the local community wanted justice adjourn exorcisms in and of themselves. Were not illegal meaning. That would have to consider whether the actions performed by the group during the ritual were unlawful and demanded the means Florida. After days deliberation the jury returned to deliver the verdict too late on Wednesday November thirty. They fan to Ralph Ullman not guilty of manslaughter. The guilty of one count of recklessly causing serious injury and one count. False imprisonment does put the judges instructions. Matthew Naski was acquitted of manslaughter but convicted on one count of false imprisonment Leeann Iraq and back can David cling now were both convicted of false imprisonment and demands Florida making them. The ones held directly responsible for killing John Jain when sentencing the perpetrators. Josh Crossley explained that they were not being sentenced for performing the x zoom. Thought that the undue force they had used against John as the law did not allow excesses in the name of religion. He noted that regardless bliss of whether join had suffered from a mental illness or being possessed by demons the level of violence inflicted on her was rough unwarranted and absolutely the unjustified while Judge Crossley observed that it was difficult to perceive any remorse in the four as they all accepted. John's death breath was God's will he did not use this as an aggravating factor due to the unusual nature of the case he stated you put giant through an ordeal that can only be described as bizarre and quite extraordinary scene objectively. That ordeal was crew yet. Do except that you said about subjecting her to that ordeal honestly believing that it was four harangued good and she was truly truly possessed by demons. Judge Crossley sentenced to Leeann Rock and back to two years in prison twenty eighteen months of which was suspended for two years. David Klingner was given nineteen months. Fifteen of which were also suspended for two years Ralph Valmont was sentenced to twelve months suspended for two years and to Matthew Naski were saved three months suspended for eighteen months of the four. Only Leeann and David would serve any prison time the N.. Fort to holdback tease. She was escorted from from the courtroom to begin her full month. Sentence joins family had deliberately avoided meteoroid attention since her death BITTU Mendez gave brief statements following the sentencings one of her sisters. Dorothy commented that John's death had traumatized they a family. While another sister rain added that she hoped the ordeal was finally over. Quite it's just yes something we have to put behind us now. In May nineteen ninety five a whole full perpetrators appealed their convictions. At the Supreme Court of Victoria the defendants argued that the crown had failed to adequately showed the pressing on giant's neck. They had caused her death and claimed that the offensive manslaughter had no been committed as Joan had consented to the acts that whip performed on a day also submitted that the charge of false imprisonment did not apply as John's mental state and behavior meant she was is a danger to herself and others and she had agreed to quite necessary restraint. The perpetrators attorneys attorneys also objected to some of the evidence supplied by the prosecution including exhibits of the wooden planks giants fate at Bain strapped to portions of the the police interviews with the defendants and testimony regarding the destruction of the FEMME garden and joins paused possessions. On September seven nineteen ninety five to Supreme Court of Victoria rejected old brands of appeal and upheld the convictions. Little is known about the perpetrators laws. Following convictions will appear to have maintained their faith Ralph Vollmer my revenge. Married for a third dawn into left Victoria to live with these new offing coins land selling. He's into Jones into a property in two thousand one mm-hmm an editorial published in Mobile newspaper at age in September. Nineteen ninety-three voice. Being Zoe's felt on much of the public in the wake of John's death at red in pod destroy liens. Cool themselves Christians. The most would have no doubt that the full he tried to exercise the mentally ill joined volna would dangerously. DELUDED HELL can. Such medieval people thinking persist in the face of modern medicine's ability to diagnose mental disturbance the Vulne case demonstrates the dock Assad of some some poems of belief and the dangers of religious certainty. Those who do not question their actions who carry within them the assurance of Divine Yvonne Inspiration at all times capable of That is as great as it is. Unknowing for the past twenty years the farmhouse where Joan was killed has lain empty. The boys who purchased it in two thousand one never moved in had sold again again in two thousand thirteen just under eighty seven and a half thousand dollars but remained uninhabited. According to an article published in two two thousand sixteen by news DOT COM dot. Edu Breaking into the abandoned to residence has become a popular pastathon for local. Teenagers Often. Pawlak the Antwerp resident. Who spoke of the community's disgust in the wake of John's death toll report candace sutton that the has made people full feel unsettled quote it put into a on the madness so to speak people still talk about what happened in that house? Nearly sixty kilometers south a simple headstone marks joins Velazquez final resting. Place said Horsham Cemetry UH beneath the rendering of a crucifix and her name of the woods always in our hearts in. God's Care Ah.

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Howard Stern / Joan Rivers

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Howard Stern / Joan Rivers

"This is molly seavy Nesper. I'm the associate producer of digital media at fresh air. That means I produced fresher interview and review webpages on unfair dot org our social media and I wrote the title and the Teaser of the podcast episode. You're listening right now. One of the best parts of my job is seeing listeners. React to our interviews on twitter twitter in real time as you're listening like when you tell us that you can't get out of your car because of an interview. That's my favorite kind of interview is when we feature a topic topic or a guest. I know nothing about or I think I'm interested in. And then it's a total surprise like the interviews. We did this year with a cave diver or or an Episcopal priest or the author a book about the Secret Mind Control Experiments and those tend to be the interviews that we hear about the most from our listeners. I also see on social media. How many of you appreciate our news coverage we live in such an overwhelming and new saturated time and we work really hard to find the best journalists us to unpack complicated issues? And of course I'd be remiss to not mention the big name interviews like Howard. Stern Reese Witherspoon Eliza and even when those guests go on the late night. Talk shows or other podcasts. You know that the fresh air interview is going to be different. Because it's Teri. She's a legend. So the best way you can keep these shows coming and to tell us that you like what we do is to give to your local. NPR Station go to donate dot NPR dot org slash Josh fresh air that's Doni Dot. NPR DOT ORG slash rusher. Thank you from. WHYY IN PHILADELPHIA. I'm terry gross with fresh air. Today as we end the decade we continue our series of favorite interviews from the decade as chosen by our staff. We'll hear from the most famous voice in Radio Howard Stern. He used to sound like this. My voice I tie. This is Howard stern and I was like I don't sound like a guy on the radio radio and we'll hear my twenty ten interview with the late Joan rivers. She felt her comedy got better as she got older. What are you gonNA? Do you GonNa find me pin five. It could be bankrupt. been bankrupt banned from networks happened. So I can say anything I want and it has re totally to very entertaining interviews on this final day of the decade coming up on fresh air on this final day of the decade were continuing our series featuring some favorite interviews of the decade as selected by our staff. We start today with an interview from this year. Howard Stern I spoke with him last May after the publication of his book? Luke Howard. Stern comes again collecting some of his favourite interviews. He has become a really good interviewer at the age of sixty five. He says he's changed over the years and has moved away from some of the crude sex talk and sexism of his earlier years and has been emphasizing empathy over outrageousness in his interviews but he admits his shows still contains a fair amount of what he calls second-grade humor. He show became nationally syndicated in nineteen eighty six and moved to Sirius Satellite Radio in two thousand thousand six. Here's our interview Howard. Stern welcome to fresh air. I am so excited this is happening. You know like some of our listeners. I think just a few but some of our listeners. They're outrage that Howard. Stern is going to be on our show and some of your listeners. Probably think public radio so incredibly boring. Why are you wasting your time on public radio? No no I actually got a really great reaction when I when I said on my show that I'm coming on the Terry Gross show. Everyone was like Oh. She's the best interviewer in the world to hear you two guys together. It's GonNa be Awesome Blah Blah Blah. And I was like. Oh this is great so no no I. I don't know about your listeners. But certainly mind we seem to be pretty jacked up about it. A lot of our listeners are too I just know some of them are like what but those are. I tell you one thing this morning woke up and I said to and my wife I'm going onto terry gross show. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go learn about her. And the first thing I learned was that you had written a book. Yes and so yeah. So I went on my kindle account you know and here you have written a book on interviewing which is why. I'm here talking to you and I went. Oh Wow I should've read read this. So I on my kindle you get a little Chapter for free you know so I began reading it and the first thing like literally that you wrote is Hey when when I was writing a book about interviews. I didn't know if they'd be good to read. Because you know people have heard them on the radio and that was my whole dilemma. That's why I almost didn't write the book. It was as if if you were talking to me and then I read a little further along and you said something about when you interview people that you cut them off quickly. If they're boring warringah going on too long and then I got filled with dread. Because I don't know that I'm a really good interview to be honest and I go on for bose so I said. Oh she's GonNa be cutting me off every the minute and when she puts me off my ego is going to be destroyed because I think I'm pretty good broadcast but I don't know if I'm a farmer good interview so because I was thinking like Howard GonNa give have long answers and I thought no I mean Howard knows what good radio is. So he's not going to go on too long. He knows exactly what timing is. So listen I'm in a studio in Philadelphia. You're in a studio in New York. I didn't know if you admitted that or not so I didn't bring it up. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. I usually don't get to see my guess because they're not in Philly so we just connect via high-tech stuff but I was shocked acting your book. The part I read today. You said you liked that. And I would dread that that would be the worst thing in the world not to look someone in the eye while I'm interviewing interviewing them. I don't think I you know I'm not comfortable with that. I'm surprised to hear that. Because let me describe your set a little bit or maybe ask you to describe it. I mean you're in a desk that it almost looks like a barricade. Turn this big s that has like big Half Oval Rim around. That really looks like your barricaded barricaded in and then your guest is like a bunch of feet away from you on a couch and it's a pretty big distance like it's not a distance you typically glee set from someone. You'd sit much closer if you were having a conversation. That wasn't on the radio. You just talking to each other in a room. Why do you have the barricade in the distance from your? Wow that is really interesting that you say that and I hadn't really considered it. Part of it is that I work my own equipment and I say this in my book that if anyone is serious about radio that I think they should work their own equipment. They should learn how to run a board as we say in radio and I for me. I'm such maybe it's the control freak in me but I I liked control every microphone the volume the sound effects going on whatever it might be so all of that equipment in front of me in that. Big Barricade has a lot to do with the the physical equipment. I'm running the show so anyways a question for you. You're interviewing approach has changed over the years. It's you go deeper you. You have more empathy. And you've said when you think of the interviews you did during the first couple of decades on your show that you cringe you say I was an absolute maniac. My narcissism was so strong. I was incapable of appreciating what somebody else might be feeling in your introduction to your interview with Gwyneth Paltrow in your book you write that. On terrestrial radio might interviewing technique was like bashing someone in the face with a sledgehammer. I treated my guess as props all I wanted was to cause chaos. And you've said that you know therapy was a turning point for you. You start a therapy. What twenty years ago Is it too personal to ask you. What the therapy approach is is that you know not personal I'm happy to talk about it and I hope something comes out of this book. That people aren't afraid of therapy. I think it is the most useful tool world and I talked to people who are really uptight about it and I understand that it took me five years before I called this guy that I go to see and it psycho analysis. It's I WANNA say it's more Freudian but I you know I don't get that sense. I don't lay on a couch. Although he suggested that I do but I was not not comfortable with it. I couldn't I couldn't get used to it. Even the thought of laying down on a couch and not being able to look at a person speaking about we spoke about. I need to look person in the I and I think it's my own insecurity I I'm afraid they'd fall asleep on me or they weren't really paying attention. I really I have a lot of issues. I didn't go there. Air Thinking that it would affect my radio show so much. I went there because you know I wanted to examine my relationships How I related related to the world and the people around me and I felt that I was in a bit of a crisis having gone through a divorce and with all of that going on and and I have three young children so I I? I really wanted to be the best father I could be. I had a lot of lofty ambitions. So how does it work well. What was so profound on for me and why I signed on I sat there with the psychoanalyst? The psychiatrist and I said I guess I'll tell you about myself. Spend I started to go into a fabulous routine that I'd done many times on the radio. I would start talking about my parents and with complete with impressions I was like I Listen my son. This is my mother talking. My son was raised to please me and then he knew how to behave. And I taught my son how to respect people and I. I told him angering to dress like he was meeting the governor. And I'm going into these routines and then I bring my father into it. I told you you you. You'll burst stupid. You're going to make a million dollars on the radio you don't even you don't even know how to speak properly. You don't even know how to speak properly. Why are you Tony Yelling at each other so I would start to do this routine? And I'm going into this elaborate thing and he stops me. He stopped me. Cold looks at me and he says I don't find any of this funny now. I was like hey what the hell is he talking about. What do you mean is that funny? I get paid a lot of money to do this stuff he goes. I find it rather said and why are you telling thing me stories. Why you're not talking about anything real? I no clue what he was talking about. I had never sat alone in a room with any human being on this planet and been listen to in a real way everything with me with stick and funny and that's how my family related we didn't Sit and ask about feelings. This took me years to get used to. It wasn't like all of a sudden. I had an epiphany I was freaking out. It was like man. This guy wants me to talk. What does he mean He? He doesn't want me to be funny. I'm funny you know. As I was going through therapy I was also making a transition from terrestrial radio. Commercial Radio to satellite radio on satellite. They were giving me the time to do whatever I want. And Terry I mean whatever I want I had no government restrictions and I could be as dirty as I wanted to be. I could be as outrageous as I wanted to be and I realized rather quickly. That's so boring on satellite radio. You have to rail against someone. All of the outrageousness that I was about was because the government hated it. Religious groups hated it and now suddenly. I'm in the wild west. I can talk talk about anything I want. It's paid subscription radio so with that I started to not only get turned on by how I was being heard in that psychiatrist's office but I began to contemplate wait. What would really be interesting? Now that I have this format how about bringing in a guest here and there and really having a real conversation and what that meant for me and and this was mind blowing to me not to you but to me what if I could let the other person shine what if I could shut my big gap and not make it about me. Was it hard for you to not make it about you. Oh my God the inner child you know. Look the reason I I. You quoted my book the reason that this so difficult when I was on commercial radio I couldn't allow a guest to even say five words in a row. I'm looking at the clock. I need high ratings meetings. When you're doing an act like mine? You need high ratings. They're not keeping your round for the joy of it. They want to be number one because they're putting up with a lot of government finds a lot of religious it just groups complaining people complaining to get me off the air so I had to deliver the goods and so when a Robin Williams walked in or a Gilda radner people I love and the door. I'm like I I've gotta keep this going so I'm blurting out Jackhammer like questions Robin Williams. I hear you haven't sexual UNANI Gilda what's it like to you know Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Well the audiences cheering me on because it sounds outrageous. It sounds wild and it sounds like oh my God that he just say that to Robin Williams but there's no dialogue dialogue these. I'm not learning anything so I have to ask you about this. So much of your show over the years especially earlier in your career has been about sex in ways that have been interesting and enlightening and ways. That seemed really kind of grocer. Intrusive or you know just sexist. I want to ask you just a couple of things about about that. So you told Jonah Hill in an interview that you envied young men who can have women as friends and not just want to have sex with them and you. So that's it's something you had to learn later in life so how much later a lot later you know. I always had friends women in friends growing up but it wasn't by choice. Nobody nobody wanted to have sex with me but no I I really did have friendships with women and some of my best working working relationships have been with women. Well Robin sure franchise of the network gave me my first interview. Show Denise any solid or who is my program director who put Robin together and yet there's this As you say on my radio show with so much sex and so much wild behavior and in my mind I was also a guy you know. Listen I was in my twenties my thirties forties. This was fascinating to me but what was really great about it was it was like punk rock. It was like what can I do. That will freak everyone out. Oh everyone's uptight about sex ex sex sex sex now in my family. My mother got me a subscription playboy at thirteen and she sat me down and said I want you to know something first of all real women. Don't look like this these women in playboy I freaks. no-one looks like that. They look more like me. And your sister and your aunt and all all these women you can have playboy and I don't care you WanNa talk about sex. You WanNa show you friends BUBBA. I don't care but just keep in mind. There's no reality to this. My friends their parents wouldn't even mention sex and to me going on the tonight show and talking about lesbianism bringing out two lesbians in having Jay Leno Walkout or having these hypocritical religious jerks who raise money you know ripping people off telling them all kinds of garbage garbage. And what's the one thing they can't handle sex sex sex sex. I wanted to go on and celebrate sex and say who cares. We're talking about about sex. Were all animals and we all have sex. Okay so I really like the idea of celebrating sex. The part I didn't like about your show was talking about the size of women's breasts and how much you'd like to have sex with them. In raiding women one to ten or asking to and you had such a large following of young men and specifically specifically referring here to like the nineties the early. It's like teaching young men how to Lear at women and be really crude crude and judge women according to their breath size and that that always really troubled me and I know you cringe about a lot of things when you look back at your early career did you cringe. Yeah do you know in one sense. I could get defensive and tell you that we we would also do this to men. It wasn't a just the way it was a show that was super judgmental and you know again unleashed did my evaluation was. Hey I am not not going to hide what men are really thinking. This was my thinking back then. I'm not going to be as the women in my audience by the way my audience is forty percent female so that might shock you but it was like let women here. What real guys sound like? Now this was my thinking I didn't know That that isn't what real guys think. This this is what my perception was so I thought I was performing a public service. Now I mean I thought I was like hey guys are jerks burks and you need to know it but hey I'm a jerk too and I was a jerk but I felt like you were going like I'm you know this is how how if you you wanna be cool if you want to be like Howard Stern. This is how you talk to women and that really upsetting. I don't think I had the wherewithal Paul to really analyze it. I just was doing my thing and then you know as I got older and wiser I started to to look at that and I said well it troubles me. That's not who I am anymore. I don't really care about any of that and it's not to say I wouldn't be on the radio today commenting on somebody who wore an outrageous outfit to the met gala or something. But it's done in a different way with a different approach. And if I hadn't changed if I become a sixty five year old guy fawning over women it would have been pathetic and I said if I hadn't grown and evolved and changed and really had a profound kind of new approach to radio. I don't know that I could and still be on the radio. That would be interesting to my audience. I think where I'm at now is the perfect place. I WANNA play an example of how you draw on your life for your interviews. So what we've just been talking about your mother's depression her need to be cheered up This comes into play one of my my favorite moments of your interviews and this is with Stephen Colbert from two thousand fifteen. And you're talking to him about how he lost his father and two of his siblings two brothers in a plane crash and I forget how old he was nine. Maybe I forget his name and So you're asking him about that and what it was like for his mother so I just WanNa play a short excerpt that sure. How did other did she? was she able to have a strong face in front of you or would she break down a lot. Both you know a little mix of everything wasn't there is no clean description of what life was like. Is it difficult for you to be around a crying woman now because of your mother. Wow that's deep man seriously. Yeah deep power getting deep no seriously. That's a very deep question. Howard when women are difficult because your mom had to be difficult she was going through all crimes not difficult? But you know. I think. There's no doubt that I do what I do because I wanted to make her happy cheering up a woman. Yes yeah really. Did you cheer up. What were you able to know no not publicly to ask that question because I spent many years tearing up your mother as well? I didn't know what happened. My mother lost her her mother when she was nine and my mother became very depressed when her sister died and I spent a lot of years trying to cheer up. My mother and I became quite proficient at making her laugh and doing impressions and and doing impressions of all the people in it made her feel ice. I wonder and even to this day when I see a woman in distress I feel like I have to child her problem. That's not that's not a bad impulse though. Well it certainly makes for career but I just I love hearing. How stunned Colbert is when you ask him about? You know having to charities mother and if it's hard for him to see women cry because his mother had cried. I love that moment. I'm so glad you pulled it because I'm proud of that moment because only someone who had to cheer up up a mother would know to ask that question exactly and and you know again. I've explored the fact that this is a terrible burden on a kid to have to cheer up mother mother I remember doing in. You know very very elaborate impressions of all the mothers in the neighborhood and what I was doing is not only was I doing impressions of them but I was also ripping them apart and my mother loved it because what it meant was she was the best mother. It meant that when I would sit there and make fun of these other mothers. It meant not only not only was it funny and not only did it make her cheered up but was really cheering are up was he see. I'm the best mother and I knew that on some level now. That's too much for a kid to know. So when Colbert I had to go there with Colbert. And I think what really shocked him as well wait a second. Here's Fart man and all the sudden maybe maybe a little deeper behind fart man. You know maybe This guy gets me and so. That's a real moment. Well I'm GonNa let you go because I know you gotta go. It's been really wonderful to talk with. You WanNa thank you for staying in radio all these years and not using Raider Raider just as a steppingstone to TV or movies. You've turned down so many offers and you've stayed in radio you've done a lot of like kind of pioneering work in radio. Oh thank you as a radio person. Thank you for staying in radio. And for acknowledging the greatness of radio I love radio. Radio is the best and That's it will end on. That radio is great. Yeah well thank you. I think. You're terrific interviewer and thank you for giving me access to your audience which you know Like I said that's a good audience. Howard stern recorded last May after the publication of his collection of interviews called Howard? Stern comes again after a break. We'll hear my twenty ten interview with Joan rivers as we continue our series of some favourite interviews of the decade after rivers died in two thousand fourteen gene Howard. Stern gave her eulogy at the request of her daughter. Melissa I'm Terry Gross and this is fresh air this message comes from. 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She became a popular guest on the tonight show then a regular our guest host subbing for Johnny Carson. Her love of fashion and her snarky humor made her a popular host of red carpet. Shows the interview we're going to here was was recorded in twenty ten after the release of a documentary about her call. Joan rivers a piece of work which was about how driven she was how she had to keep reinventing inventing herself and how she was determined to keep performing four years after our interview rivers died at the age of eighty one. We started our interview review with a clip from the documentary age. It's the one mountain et you can't overcome it's a youth society and and nobody wants to two older two older woman. Comedian comes up and says to me you opened opened the doors and self still opening the doors this Joan rivers from the new documentary about her which is called Joan rivers a piece of work. Joan rivers welcome to fresh air and happy birthday. We're recording this birthday very much. We are and you've just turned seventy seven. Yeah I know you said about it. Well I just don't believe what I am and people say. What are you gonNA do on your birthday awesome seventy seven hundred seventy seven faceless gonNA do so in the clip that we just heard you talked about how you opened a lot of doors and you're still still opening doors? So what are some of the doors that you feel. You're still opening. Oh I don't think I never thought about it until they've documentary came out but I I think about putting doors Not just for women Comedians. I never think about even I think just always trying to push for for myself pushed the boundaries. Make them listen. Make them listen to the truth and ladders and and some of the doors that you opened earlier in your career I mean you were one of the first women comics to really make it the first woman to host a late night show and you also had different material. You made jokes about abortion jokes about sex ax you you may have been the first Famous woman comic to tell Vagina Jokes. Probably yes I'm sure I did. What was it like early on when you're telling the kind of Blue Joke that other other women. Well what well I was. I is one discuss abortion as you just said And it was very rough and we show in the film. I couldn't even say the word abortion I had to say she had fourteen appendectomies appendectomies. Now wait wait. Wait stop you because I thought you said that because no one would say. They had an abortion. People were always going away for like mysterious Resou- you know needed advocation or she had. She had gets a minor surgery right. She had an appendectomy Shan appendectomy. Exactly everybody went to Cuba to get appendectomies. Timmy's or went to Puerto Rico to get appendectomies so anyways is a big thing so interrupted your. Your thoughts are so conover it. You're saying you know so I. It was the first one that dare to make jokes about it and by making jokes about you brought into a physician. Will you can look at it and deal with us. It was no longer sunny that you couldn't discuss and had to whisper when you whisper about something it's too big and you can't get it under control and take control of vish so and that's where I still do. So what did you have to say about abortion that first time just that my friend had fourteen abortions And but she was lucky because she was Jewish married. Finally one of the abortion doctors ended up having a mother daughter married a doctor. So how did this material over half the fuel laugh. Obviously and has to be able to go. I had another a joke. I was having an affair with a married professor and one of the jokes early on my actors why he was engaged to me. His wife became pregnant so I figured he wasn't sincere. I get half the people that but it was talk about things like that that it was never discussed even discussing that. My mother wanted me desperately to get married and had a sign up. It sounds so silly now. She had a sign up last girl before freeway. People say you can't say that talk about things like that has what you think is funny any or what you want to talk about on stage changed with age. Good question changed tremendously with my age because I am so much for you now because I always say what are you gonNA do. You're gonNA find me. Pin Fire could rank rookie. Ben Bank loved. Some people. Aren't GonNa talk me. It's happened banned from networks happened so I can say anything I want and it has freed me totally totally and I talked much more freely now than I ever dared to talk before. So what can you talk about now that you wouldn't have dared to before. Oh I talk about Terrorism I regret now I was talking about nine eleven on nine twelve and talking about making jokes about it. And how horrible was that making people laugh about it at the same time. I talk about how I truly I hate whiners if I live with a man for nine years one leg so I do a lot of things about how I hate I use the term for obviously cripples. And if you cripple just get out of the room right now. Had nine years of pushing somebody around and half half the audience gets crazy and hefty on his loves it because he's saying things people don't want to say it. It's never the person in the wheelchair. People Aware Gillette about it. It's the people that are scared to face something and laugh about it and make it. Okay can I just pick up on that and play an excerpt that found really amazing from the documentary about you. And you're on stage doing comedy in Wisconsin and You're making a joke and Northern Wisconsin thank you. Wisconsin was fir-trees. So no all right so so anyway. So you're talking about children here and I'll just let let the clip play eight children Eh. The only child I think I would have liked ever was helen. Keller she didn't talk yes it is and I happen to have a desk mother. Oh you stupid ass. Let me tell you a comedy is about vowed. Oh please you are so stupid comedies. To make everybody and everything and deal with things you idiot. Mother's Jeff Stewart's don't tell me just in case you can hear me. I live for nine years. Man With one allegra okay. You talk about what it's like to have. A male was one leg who lost in world war two and then went back to get because that's bleary coming. So That's Joan rivers in a clip from the documentary about her Joan rivers a piece of work while you really gave it to him but first of all in in case people couldn't hear what he was saying. That's not funny. If you have a death sentence yeah but that is funny because first of all where are we going to start. I was doing to think about noisy children how I hate noise. Children Aeroplane and then I said the only I would like would be Helen Keller. It's a joke. I'm a comedian. You've paid sixty dollars all is to make you laugh. It's a silly joke. He obviously had such anger and emotion at him and took it so personally and it just made me afterwards terribly sad but you have to say it's funny. It's okay your son would laugh at that. My mother the end end was deaf. Absolutely couldn't hear and we used to laugh about and you love that you deal with better deal with life and get over over and make it funny because otherwise it's so sad. What are some of the most painful things have happened to you that you've ended up making jokes about onstage? Oh where did you miss. My husband's suicide right. Some man sixty years old. That couldn't take the business and went and killed himself. How do you deal with that? How do you deal with that? When you've got a sixteen year old daughter who gets the call and I'll tell yeah you deal with that you go through it and you you make jokes about it and you continue with it and you move forward? That's how you do it. God that's how I do it. Everyone handles things differently. Handy make jokes about. How do you deal with bankruptcy? How do you deal with You're fired from Fox when your number's was still good and you can't get a job for a year and a half you do it and I do it by making jokes. We're listening back to our twenty ten interview with Joan rivers as part of our end of the decade series of interviews. We'll hear more of the interview after a break. This is fresh fresh air support for NPR and the following message. Come from Netflix. His new series. Messiah what would it take to make you believe in something crazy when a man starts performing performing miracles and saying he's the Messiah One. CIA agent is determined to find the truth. No matter how crazy may be Messiah streaming now only on Netflix six. NPR's life kit wants to help you make changes that actually stick this new year from January to how to start a creative habit. We've got new new episodes all month to help you start the year off right new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life kit. Let's get back to our two thousand ten interview with the late Joan rivers so For you who wants to perform all the time there's life not measure up to performing no life does not measure up to for for and that's a brilliant question now now performing his perfect. Isn't it a perfect. Our you go on stage. They love you. They want to be there. You want to be there you all work together to have a great evening. That's Laurence Olivier. Great English Act at once said that is my space. I met him once at a party. He said that is where I belong. Sinatra drew on said to me you see he pointed at the stage in Vegas see that sent to spot. That's my life now I get. It isn't perfect. Some people who are great performer. Still get stage fright. Do ever have that or did you live to be onstage. I live to be on stage and I'm terrified terrified before every show terabyte art comes down here with you always nervous always. And I'm a super preparer. So that's kind of a paradox. Mu that you live to be onstage and at the same time there's this dread of being onstage not addressing onstage address of not doing well I've not. I've disappointing them. I have one friend who is very good very very famous comedian comic. Who wants to get five minutes? They don't like me going automatic and I thought they have fought the ticket. They have paid for a babysitter. Have come out to see. They WanNa have fun fun. I want them to walk out of a show and say it's the best show I've ever seen. I fight to the end. I worried the end worry. Are they having a good time warrior. When I had that Hekla in Wisconsin where I worried about I was terribly upset about him? Because you understand. Dan is coming from a household that there's a deaf son. Nobody can deal with it but there are also there was a four thousand seat house. There were three thousand nine hundred hundred ninety nine other people that I did not want him to walk away. Not having a good time. I had to get that audience back and that takes a lot to get an ordinance back. I'm glad you said that. How did you get them back because this was a moment of uncharacteristic anger onstage? Oh so my go from there. Yeah you just start talking fast and you start finding where will they start to relax and laugh again and it's always like you know you start a car finding them Otago's and it took me about four minutes to get them back and then I didn't little extra long show because I wanted them to walk out totally forgetting that and just go. Wow that was fun. Boy Guide the beginning. Wasn't he something. And that's what I did chide really felt. They had a good time. We were talking about your nervousness before going onstage stage. What's the worst thing that's ever happened to you on stage? The worst thing I've avenue has h have ran photos. Tell me they love me and projectile vomited all over the stage. Oh Oh my God. It was horrible and I said to the audience showy continuous or shall we clean the state and the audience said. Let's continue and I said No. Let's clean the stage. Did they get you. Oh God I got everything the orchestra it was Gigi somebody starts everybody joins no. It was off. So what happened They we stopped everything. And I right away. Which is why I have to still work at seventy seven? Everyone had a drink on me. I'll be everybody. He had a drink rivers. What was the bill was a couple thousand dollars? Oh Gosh so. Did you have anything to wear when you took gough. Yes you always have. Several years have several mackey gowns addressing. That's my motto. have at least three Maggie gowns. So what's the first thing you'd said when you came back. ONSTAGE I sit by brought out matches matches the smell out of the place and then we and I I think 'cause they brought it was a woman brought her backstage. I said first of all. She's fine fine and she's thinner and I probably so just lost four pounds so jealous and then we just went on. But it's you never know what's going to have a live show now. The film explores among other things. Your relationship with your daughter Melissa when she was young. And you were establishing yourself in show business. Did you have a conflict between career and motherhood which so many women go through now. Trying to balance wants the two but not that many women were going through it. When you were Chris? Many more women were full-time mothers and homemakers. Then I did something from the very beginning because I've been sitting when I was pregnant with a very famous comedian and a little girl who was in the park mark and a little girl fell down and cut her knee and ran to the nanny. And I said right then and then my child will run to me and I from the beginning. We stopped everything at six o'clock We always had a family. Didn't even we went out afterwards. It had another dinner with friends. Everything stopped at six. I was Brownie scout mother in those uniform. You don't know what I sacrificed uh-huh my daughter. I mean Terry please Jewish woman in a khaki dress not not no I think I was as good a working mother as you can possibly be. I was also lucky. I was in a position where I could take my daughter. Go to work when I was on Broadway. Melissa sat in addressing which he talks about and she would color and crown in the dressing room and she talks about that no such fond memories. She talks about growing up backstage in Vegas where sitting on a stool. We sat on a stool right off stage and wish you could watch me in every night. Jews allowed to re write one joke that I would say on the stage no matter how terrible the joke or and so she was always included included totally include as much as I could but I also had to make a living in the movie. I think it's you who said I'm tournament whether you say it or somebody says I think you say that you are perceived as an advocate for plastic surgery than the poster girl and then the joke. Yeah when did it cross over into joke Probably my first banned plastic surgery Probably I when I talked about it too much. I should have been like everybody else and not said a word and And Deny it. So why did you do. I talked about the very beginning but I'm a a comedian. So of course you walk on stage and say I just had my is down and let me tell you Dr Blah Blah Blah Blah and you start doing jokes and it was in those days shock to talk about it like everything else. Things have evolved and that was a very shocking thing to discuss. And then it became mm-hmm 'cause I dragged read. Some people thought that's all I did. I was very glad I talked about it. It goes back to what we started out talking about. Which is by talk talk about it? Maybe there's some woman somewhere North Dakota who hates her nose and she's shy get it fixed off friends align during saying don't do it betty and I'm saying betty to it going to feel better about yourself. Jewish we're listening back to you're twenty ten interview with Joan rivers as part of our end of the decade series of interviews. We'll hear more of that interview after we take a short break. This is fresh air. Hi It's Terry Gross inviting you to check out our new online archive collecting forty years of fresh air interviews and reviews. You can hear my interviews views with people like David Bowie aretha Franklin Johnny Cash. John Updike Tony Morrison searched for names. You're interested in make a playlist for yourself or friends at at fresh air. Archive Dot Org. 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Perfectly perfectly smart smart funny terrific got the business got me had a great time together Both wanted the same things. We had a great marriage. Rich great marriage was madly in love with some thump thump thump thumping no but as my mother always said they should like like you more than you like them so it was he dumpy frumpy over you. Is that what you're saying. Yeah oh he throws a cutest Jiechi walking around but he had very bad eyesight so I think most people know that you know he. He took his life after killer. Yeah F F in this was not long like a few months after your late night show which he was producing on Fox was cancelled and apparently the network asked him to leave. You oppose that and then they'll show got cancelled and you in the movie so that you blame Fox for totally for his death but I I'm wondering if maybe he wasn't like depressed before that. And if maybe depression in co `interfering with his relationship with the network and if it all your tap app dancing everything is wonderful and something bad happens. You'RE NOT GONNA kill yourself. But this was the big thing and he was producing the show and they said to me You can say he can go history go and he I have a choice on a Thursday. I said no Then I go with my husband and we're off on Friday any annuity to my career so he had not only gotten us out of a job. my whole career was smashed. Everything everything was just very very bad and it had a major heart attack and he had a four way bypass and it was coming out of that and he was impressed over that and he just couldn't continue couldn't do it in the movie. You say that he left you high and dry and left auto debts because he wasn't a good businessman. Yeah so it sounds like you. Were you know horrified. that he killed himself but also angry with them beyond angry. Still Angry I. I work very hard for suicide survivors with suicides of ours as Missy Chris what it does to you. The anger never leaves you. There's sadness sadness that on we that sets in that You know and Melissa Walk down the aisle and it was ten years after her father kills. We both cried because Daddy Eddie was there walker down. I mean you never get over that missing that part of it But you still so furious what you did to us what you did your daughter. The selfishness of a suicide. What you've done you've just left all the pieces and gone John? You took the easy way and it's not an easy. They're very brave to do it. But it's a terrible terrible terrible thing what it does to family terrible thing. What does family do you feel like it it? It sends a knowing message to the family. It sends a bad message of family but it sends a lot of jokes. Mommy's a comedian right. Yeah my I joke was my husband killed himself and left a message that I have to visit him every day so I had him cremated in sprinkled him uneven. Marcus having list today and that's why get through life. Do you think of something like that. Because it's so the whole life so difficult and so cruel that you better laugh at it because you don't know what's GonNa hit your next Joan rivers recorded in twenty ten. She died at the age of eighty one in two thousand fourteen tomorrow. We continue our series. A favorite interviews from the decade s elected by our staff will feature highlights of three of our shows with musicians that included interviews and performances lear from the Carolina chocolate drops a ban that includes Rhiannon Giddens and plays music in the black string band tradition Katherine Russell. A great jazz singer who does a lot of early jazz songs. Her father was Louis. Armstrong's music director in the forties and pianist. 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Joan Price on Sex After 50 Smart Sex, Smart Love

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT podcast employed dot com before information Welcome to smart sex smart love. We're talking about sex. Goes beyond the taboos and talking about love goes beyond the honeymoon. I'm Dr Joe Court. Thanks for tuning tuning in. Welcome to my show today. We're GONNA be talking about sex after fifty and sex after grief this week. I'll be chatting about navigating sex after losing your beloved and about sex is an older person. My guest is Joan Price. Joan calls herself an advocate. Ticket for ageless sexuality. She's the author of four books about sex and aging including the award winning book naked at our age talking out loud about senior sex and her latest book. Sex after grief navigating your sexuality after losing your beloved who were ward winning blog has been offering hiring senior sex news views and sex toy reviews since two thousand five. At each seventy-six Joan continues to talk out loud about senior Sachs ax partnered or solo. She's the CO creator of the film. Jessica Drake's guide to wicked sex senior Sachs. Let's talk out loud about older under age sexuality. Welcome Joan well thank you. I'm so happy to be talking to you. I've admired your work for so long. Thank you so much joan in the feelings mutual and really talking to you is the nicotine for me because now I'm an older adult so I'm ready to hear all your stuff I've known about your stuff. Yeah get better. It doesn't have to be a Downer to get older. I love that and I know that that your tagline and people need to hear that because I do get the people as I've gotten older of course my clients have gotten older and they they worry about that and wonder Do I have to put up with how sex has changed for me. And it's now mundane. What do you say to people when they say that to you I say that yes? Sex has its challenges. As you age your body changes commotions change your responses change. Well that's the things change but that doesn't mean we give up. It means we learn about it and we learn how we address those this challenges. What can we do to make sex great again and there for every problem? There's a solution I like that. And you know you talk about Sex and aging and of course there's a natural grieving process because the body changes sexuality sexual Abilities change and so it makes sense that you wrote this book book called sex after Grief Navigating your sexuality after losing your beloved and I would imagine There's a lot of myths about sex and grief. Can you talk about. Yeah that's right. I remember that book specifically because we lose people I love her style our spouses die and there until I wrote this book. I couldn't find anything their address. How do you get back to your own sexuality your own life force yourself south a sexual being when the person you want most have sex with is dead and this is a huge issue for so many people and if it it isn't yet for people who are listening it may be In the future so I I took my own grief experience chance which was substantial and long lasting. And I'll profound and combine that with what other people people sent me. I I asked people who subscribe to my newsletter to send me their own experiences their own addict jokes about what it always liked to try to get back to their own sexuality after they lost their beloved and I got so many different stories so many different ways as the things people tried that worked. They work their feelings about it because one of the main points of the book is there's no one way to do grief Greece. There are as many ways to do grief as there are people who are eating agree absolutely and we need to chew except our own natural process and and that goes for how we get back to sex also for some people. It's a very long period of celibacy for others. It's very quickly into a new relationship and ships for others. It's not wanting a an emotional relationship but wanting the release of sex and then getting into more of a casual sex or hookups or or friend with benefits situation. When perhaps it didn't do that in the past or maybe they did? We're all different and just because catch getting older doesn't mean well like suddenly so you would say to somebody who's Lost a partner over long periods of time that to really Take the the the position of try. Be Get out there and and find your sexuality don't just lay back and let it just happen to you so what you're saying. Yeah well no it isn't. I'm saying whatever timeline is right for you is right for you. See what happens is people. I've had that whole chapter on the myths about sex and the things that people tell us and they range from what you're dating again. It's way too soon soon. How could you do that or The other extreme is you should be getting out there by now come on get out get social yes we wanna know the options but someone else pushing us to either get back into getting a sexual partner early or waiting or not waiting. None of this is really useful. What is useful? Is that if we can understand from other people's experiences really how this can work for example we may feel I will never want to be with anyone else again because I I am so profoundly in grief I can't imagine it I will never ever again Understand that this is a natural feeling but it's also temporary that in time because we are human beings with a natural life force that is going to push to be released released at some point. We're going to start to feel and I go into great details about how this worked for me. We're we're going to feel. Oh those twinges those Maybe it'll be a dream as it was for me. I I I had a dream that I was aroused by new many on and then I woke up I really was aroused. There was no new man there but I was finally feeling my body again. This will happen eventually unsually and if we don't close off to that but we also don't rush ourselves that this is the way it should go and also that's part of what happens is that That we think we're ready. And then we discover. Oh that was the wrong thing for me I wish I had done that. But but instead of of shaming ourselves for that if we say okay I needed to do that to find out it was too soon. That's okay this is so important important. Because I remember even going through all my classes and my graduate programs that Aging and older adults and seniors were hardly talked about. I remember people. We're interested in in dealing with this population and nobody They would say there's nothing in this program or if there is at the very end we don't get to it. You're really really saying we need. We need to get to this. I want to get to this. The we older people have a right to Have healthy sexuality and healthy lives right we we are are sexual beings. Lifelong as Joycelyn. Elders says We we don't age out of our sexuality sex has no expiration can date it changes yes and many people We'll give up on it because they think sex doesn't work the way it used to just work at all I'm done and how sad that is. Well we can more than what doesn't work anymore. But that's just one step towards figuring out what does work we may find for example that in the past that penetrative sex was Go to go for sex. That was what works for us. And maybe now that's that's that's not what we want. Maybe the penis doesn't work that way. Maybe it's a giant is not accepting as it was. Maybe there are other things that just turn us on more more even though things to work So whatever our gender whatever our orientation we will find body changes but we can adapt to those changes and if instead of seeing this as a defect or a or an end if we see instead of chapter sure and then a new superpower it an hour to get around. Wow I can take an hour to get about you. I I love that superpower perfect total reframe and very positive. That's really great. Now my office I do hear more men at least verbalizing using to me when their penises. Don't get Iraq. And so they're older that they feel like sex is over and I have to work with them around that. What is the main complaint of women as they get older that they feel sexes? His old is over. There are two things mainly one is that they don't feel desire and the other is that they Wrong three things really. They don't feel desire they Their vaginas are not as welcoming penetration. It just doesn't feel as good or maybe that's just not how they reach orgasm or they never did Which is which is common On people with all those and then the other is if they happen to be in a partnership with with an aging man that That the partner isn't getting wrecked and is willing to find out other ways that they can have sex. Yes so the desire part which is so important. I know you know about approach the concept of responsive desire versus spontaneous desire. But when I talk to a lay audience they do not know anything about this data. Yes can you explain it to the audience. Understand that yes What we perceive as feeling desire is often what we call spontaneous desire which is really a biological urge to have sex and and it and it takes place I'm attracted to you. I WANNA have sex. Let's go but as we age or maybe for some people we never did feel it that way. It's particularly as we age. We don't have that biological urge anymore. The hormones have said. You don't really need a so much anymore. And so oh here. We are left without that spontaneous urge to have sex. How whatever if we find out that if we just start physiologically logically we just get going with our ourselves or with a partner? Doesn't matter how we do it with a favorite sex store and it works works that the disaster will kick in in response to physiological arousal. And explaining that well enough. So what you're saying saying is and isn't this true for At least what I've learned. Tell me if I'm wrong for female sexuality that in general they're they're they have more responsive where they start to be sexual actual and desire comes from that. Is that what you mean exactly. That's what I mean. If they start to be sexual physiologically if they just let their their bodies hotties get aroused. Yes then they never. Oh Wow. I'm really enjoying this. Why don't we do this more often? Don't wait for the mood if if if you're in a good relationship or if you are so don't wait for the mood. Just get starting and don't don't you know we we. We used to think we had to wait for the mood. If we were going to have sex and anyone who respected us with wait for us to wait for the mode yes but hey what if what. What if that means? We don't have sex for weeks or months right. That's the cultural myth because all they show in books and movies is romantic love. limericks honeymoon the whole we all WanNa have always ready were always clean. We're always everything and that is not a relationship that's the beginning and it's the shortest part of a relationship and it's sad so we're always using that as the gold standard and I'm glad you brought that up because that's Amosi anyway. Yes even in my youth you've never ever wanted to have sex on the kitchen table kicking the front door shut with my couldn't wait. That is never in my life and I've had some pretty good sexual on a and even it's funny when you see people having sex in showers whether it's porn movies or just regular movies I've had sex in the showers. Talks the waters in your eyes. You're slipping and sliding you're trying not to fall the soap it's like I can't uneven radically focus. I'm trying to stay upright. You know even when I was young. I don't know it's just not sexy. I felt that Washington partners. They're in the shower. Is Much sexier than try to have totally agree under percent. I wanted to ask you as people listen to this I. I imagine older people being interested in this conversation but why should young people care about old people sex. Oh that's such an important question because if we're lucky we all get old. If we're unlucky we die young so I take your choice which you think would be printed problem and even if as seniors in training which is what I call young people. If we've learned at an early age how for example expand our notion of sexuality and not have goal oriented sex but have pleasure oriented setting and have a wider Ryder More more items than the buffet than just one particular goal and we learn learn how to communicate about sex how to express What brings this pleasure? And what doesn't so much anymore and learn to ask a partner about what brings pleasure and what doesn't so much if we learned to do this at a younger age aging is just not even going to be any any kind of deterrent to good sex We don't have to relearn it all over again at sixty or seventy or eighty. I love that you just said a rather than goal oriented chanted sex pleasure oriented sex. Can you say more about that. Yes when as we're growing up but I think this would would be true. Whatever era certainly was true in my era we thought that the only goal had to be penetrative traded sex and in fact what we were taught was it had to be heterosexual penetrative sex? I hope we've let go of that notion then for ourselves sells in others and the whole culture. But you know that's another issue. We can talk about what we had this idea. That real sex had to Have hard penis and it had to have an an for vulva owners it had to have a wet welcoming vagina and and if that didn't happen than we were broken when no we're not we're not broken if we need to or want to have sex and many other pleasurable ways I give a workshop. That's my most popular workshop. It's called great sex without penetration And I've put it. I made it into a Webinar. So that you don't have to find me in your city in order to experience that Workshop Joan Christ Dot Com has all of that information information. It's my most popular Workshop and people come in often looking as if they've been dragged there because because of the death of the cat or something no they just come in with this last place I wanna be but I think I need the information and then within a few minutes. They're smiling. They're laughing and by the end of it they're saying. Wow okay. I'm going home and using this right away. I am absolutely going to recommend that and I'm going to watch it because one of my podcasts. I come out admitting that I have never had add penetrative sex. I'm not into it. I'm not doesn't interest me a lot of people think just because I'm gay. I'm having all kinds of anal sex giving getting and there are plenty of gay men that never want and never have anal sacs and people say to me. Well then how do you have sex. I don't get it. What do you do is if there's only one thing you know what I mean? It's ridiculous and so I think I would love to watch just to see if we could make a gay male version of what you are. Maybe not maybe I would love to see that because you don't have to be older doesn't just have to happen to. You may be a choice and I like that For some people who've erectile issues or evolve a pain or whatever it might be the body saying. I'm not it's not me. I don't want this and there are plenty of other ways to be sexual just like you're saying and let me tell you. Well as of course we know in in your personal life but I will also tell you A superpower of not having penetrative sex is that you take turns and and that makes sex even better me most concentrating fully on one person's pleasure and then you're concentrating fully on the other person's pleasure and my goodness ethnics twice sex twice as good jazz no yes it does. That's really well said. I love those superpower idea. I'm going to use that and credit credit. You of course can you talk about your film. Jessica Drake's guide to wicked sex senior sex and what role you had an. Yes happy happy to I was the CO creator. And I'm the narrator that film Jessica Drake as probably most of your audience knows Is Not you best as an adult film star One-star but she also has that's really important role as sex educator based on the the clear understanding porn is not sex education corners fantasy and yes she makes she makes porn but she also makes an educational series with wicked pictures called Jessica Drake's guide to wicked sex and then Colin whatever the specific topic topic is. She's many number of these and she decided that she needed to have one on senior sex and that I would be the one to collaborate with her well. We had such a strong connection and such an exhilarating collaboration really. We discuss this project project for many months before actually doing it and then Then got together and naturally film this wonderful wonderful movie each which includes my tips and advice the kind of information that I give and workshops and in my books but what the differences that then on camera you see two older couples who are taking the clothes off and having great sex one of the couples has been together a long time and their sexual interaction is really tender and beautiful and based on knowing each other really well full of communication the other couple met for the first time on set and this. Wow really they. Were both very happy to do this. They liked the idea of having I think sex with a stranger in order to And having the camera going in order to show I mean this was was. This was one of the things I wanted from this film. We're not all in long term relationships. We're not all in committed relationships. Many of us. You're trying to gate and having sex with New People. How do you negotiate that as an older person So so we particularly wanted one couple that were new to each other. How do I figure out what you like? How would you tell me how do I ask you things? So both of those couples are very different. Couples are Are having sex on this film. So it's an explicit sex. I mean I'm sorry. It's an explicit film. Oh yes it's explicit sex them but it is also educational. It's not fantasy sex. They're having the kind of sex they really do. have and it's It's a very exciting film. It for people who are in the United States I have it for sale on. DVD from my website. JOAN PRICE DOT COM and From wicked pictures you can get you can get it you can buy streaming or you can buy it up in other countries too. Great 'cause right people would confuses as porn or as a sex education. What you're saying is that sex education sex education and explicit? Yeah I love that I remember sex education. Yes I remember for drivers and I just flashed back to this where I was Twenty two getting my masters and we had a human sexuality sweaty class and we saw videos of all different things pair. Police Jake's having sex you know gays and lesbians Heterosexuals but I remember older people having sex and they they were like in their sixties and I remember thinking watching their bodies you know. They had an aged body but their genitals and their breasts were like I remember. This is the word in my head normal normal you know like oh my going to look old or my her breasts. Don't look old I I just remember being struck by that and not understand when you you said what could young people get from old people sex. I got something to know that while my body might age my genitals aren't gonna I don't know I just had the promise of my genitals. I'M GONNA GONNA age like that so much. I know they change a little bit. They change Cheating how they feel and how they respond. They don't necessarily change in how they look right. That's what I noticed. Maybe Yeah Yeah. Although I have a wonderful that you remember that from age twenty two. I don't know y remember that but then later I heard that your penis shrinks as you get older. So that's a little disturbing to me. I have to admit that but whatever you know if it strengthens rings hopefully I won't notice it too much. What else would you want people to know from your work? Oh there's so much I I want people to if they are listening to this and they go. That's information I didn't know all of that before. There's so much more that you don't know please do do the work. Get the books or It's hard when you go online to know what's real and what isn't you know what's helpful and valid. And what isn't but I try to siphon a lot of that through my website my blog I review other books that I recommend and interviews Talk Cook Story Reviews Very Important that If you are not yet using sex toys as part of your your sexual expression Russian I hope you will start exploring that because as you get older you may find you need a lot more sensation than in arthritic risk can give you and so it's it's really helpful to already have Some some knowledge of sex toys and some experience. Your aunt so that you don't have to again. Learn that from scratch when you're older and I think young people seniors in training already have been exposed was to a lot more well tons more than my generation was for sure. But that doesn't mean and I say this to seniors and training with great affection. You know all you may think you know it all because sex works just fine for you right now but explore other ways other other things other other techniques other kinds of experiences and also other points of view. Please don't say hey. This is what I believe in. Nothing will ever change for me because Guess Watch it. Will you really one of the only voices out there that I know of talking about Sex and getting older right. Isn't that the case. It seems others who do that There weren't when I started fifteen years ago. Oh I was a voice in the wilderness at that time but I guess because I do talk out loud so so much so loudly and so oh frequently. That people often hear my voice when they're looking into this subject. Yeah and I'm happy about that. Talk up up and you have great great information. Where can people find you online? I know we'll tell tell them where they can find you. Joan Price Dot com is my website and across the top. Their cabs to take you to my blog. My speaking Events webinars and all the other things I do. My books are all there You can order anything from me if you're in the United States and if not however you usually buy your books and I'm just so happy to have had this talk with you Joe. You're marvelous. Thank you so much for your marvellous. This'll people know you're also on twitter and you're also on facebook. You're very easily easily accessible. Not only to find you but the information you've given I really appreciate you being part of the show. Thank you Joan. Thank you and thanks for listening to this episode of smart sex love. I'm Dr John Court and you can find me on JOE COURT DOT com. That's J. O.. E. WE K._O.. R._T. Dot Com your next time.

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Episode 38: Joan Rivers and Treva Silverman: Partners in Comedy

Can We Talk?

16:41 min | 4 months ago

Episode 38: Joan Rivers and Treva Silverman: Partners in Comedy

"Welcome back to. Can we talk the podcast of the Jewish women's archive where gender history and Jewish culture? Meat honey rose. And I'm Judith. Rosenbaum we're back with an episode that we hope will provide so comic relief in these challenging times in our last episode. We shared a two thousand six interview with Joan rivers from jet view as Archive. We also talked about why we borrowed the name of our podcast from Jones signature line. Can we talk in this episode? We're sharing another interview from the J W Archives Pizza Delightful Conversation Between Joan rivers and her writing partner Tree Silverman from two thousand six. The interview conducted by Rachel. Talbot was part of J W as documentary on Jewish women in comedy called making trouble. Trueba is a successful comedy writer. Who partnered with Jones starting in the early nineteen sixties? The depth of their friendship really comes through in this interview and as a counter to Jones public persona which was often critical especially if other women tree starts by explaining how she and Joan met when they were both fresh out of college and Joan. Rivers was still known as Joan Molinski. I had a friend than and Joan was looking for a partner and he and my boyfriend was looking for a partner so they found each other and it is Alinsky and Myers and so John and I started hanging out and like clung to each other like Oh my God this outside world but she was so smart. She was a better engine graduate and she had done it. This is on James. Joyce's you Erie. Smart she was mark and she was funny and she was in the Business Jonas to such a great combination women fringes of fringes thereof but trivia. Did something early on in review and she got picked up by the Carol Burnett show. That's right right and religiously you out remember that they've Louis Chicago somewhere. She was always. Her stuff was so head and shoulders and above anybody's truly above anybody's working that she was always picked. I from the group. She was always noticed. I at this at this point John. J-o-h-n was you're a change from Alinsky to radically change into rivers right okay. So that I really did over here the following conversation Gary Dino on the phone and he was he was talking about. You said no no. She's not like anybody. Stop asking you who is she is she like. She's not like anybody she's like herself and then he said and they wouldn't they wouldn't do it and he said dammit he said years from now you're going to be telling me get. Joan rivers type. Did I ever tell you know? Hey Gary Nardini agent totally how does that? How great is that? Which impressed me so much at her own apartment. And she was making it on her own and that was in a business. That's so difficult every woman so difficult and just an shoulders revenue. One of your books about how you became friends. 'cause you both understood what it was like to be female in the fifties. What was it like to be female? A lot of white boots female. Wait wait sort of white lipstick in the dark raccoon. Kinda is but we we met. I think at the beginning of the sick of the sixties. Really we're both nursery school. Yes yes yes. We met the beginning of the sixties and clinging on to you. Know to the periphery of the possibility. Of maybe maybe but there was also the thing that John and I. We both had the belief that it was going to happen. I think our whole group had that belief it was. It wasn't like if it ever happens. It was GonNa Happen Ready and you. You're not trying to be were. You may not have noticed. As a writer EPA chew was female comedy writer so Question Better. Course Joan would come to my apartment straight from her parents house and I remember. You always had a dime and you can use the phone. Nearly you leave the dial and I would love to remember that I said no no but I said Okay Day. John was a dime. I met such she she. She left her little her little dime and it was relocated All agent pray only always agents always here. Can I come down to this edition for that town? South of town. Telefe out the nightclub act which went well the the original loan we would all go to the catskills. Joan had this beat up car. That vaguely worked. I mean you know sort of sporadically and so we would go to the catskills and they were used to. You know so my wife. They were used to that. So here comes John and we have says hats and they've never seen you before I kind of and it was. He would just hate us. There were there. Were these old people all people very young Jewish these old Jewish people who were so sweet because maybe they had grandchildren like more something. They didn't want to be rude to. They've just kind of sit out like this is our fate. We have to kind of you know. Sit here and watch whatever is happening on the stage with these people one of the reasons they book because they had a car because with her having the car that meant that the agent could always say Joan could you bring so and so up because they don't have a car and the exotic dancer with the snake? The snake search your mind. Sure no problem the stakes in the back and so so she was the big. Wow Joan Molinski. Hyphen rivers has a car. So the car as a car So he doesn't have a car with dog acts and walking off but she hit early and she did something very brave. You were the first to go out to California. The Whole Group Has Joan and I were were both constantly fighting the idea that that a woman a woman is writing comedy and and Joan was was fighting that she doesn't do these old kind of stick of editor but she was doing more character stuff and do do the thing that I love. So much about your wig running his tell you that she wrote a joke for me that I still use to this day If God wanted me to cook my hands would be aluminum and toads me on the telephone. I remember calling her up and I said our guy wanted cook. My hands would be what the hands of course. Of course I still use streams joke at its truest joke. So great about the what about Phyllis diller had been around before you what was where people ever comparing Phyllis diller or they couldn't convey phyllis was so different phyllis was really you had venison. Phyllis was married so she could look income and I wanted to get married. I tried to look as pretty as you could possibly Charles and my pearls my little circle pin I was. There was two lives going there. You know if you're single and a doctor. Hey G later unfortunate role gay clubs thought so that was that was very nobody really wanted to be. Pr- pretty comedian. You're a singer you just don't you are pretty pretty here of humor. Well didn't help me go ahead a case you were pretty In in movies in movies on television were the had been and is now and will forever be up. Please start at at that time. In in movies on television everything the pretty one was the kind of you know and the funny one was the sidekick and so here's shown being the pretty one and the side kick simultaneously. I found that as a as a writer was very interesting because it was it was it was hard to write It was hard to write lead characters and make them really really funny in the thirties. They did it. But in the fifties and sixties it was always the kind of fat one who was the funding one. Or The you know with a funny accent was the funding. So here's Joan is dressed for for fraternity dance in her. Lovely black little sleeveless thing and with the pearls and showing a fund in the BOA Showbiz had a Bo tree. They didn't want to believe that you could be pretty and very smart very smart and very funny. It was a whole different kind of look to to what you expected to be. Competition among com. Extend your is still coverage. I mean I don't WanNa hear this nonsense. Oh good for Sarah Silverman please. She's taking bread out of my dog's mouth kibble out of his kid. Let my mouth that but I've I was tremendous competition. I am very competitive. I think that's why I was still doing at this age. Are you saying competitive or ambitious? I mean is it. Ambition Coming I WANNA knock this one out of the box or is it conversely I want to get ahead. I want it to be me. I wanted to be me rather than I want to get rid of him. I don't know about the other. I want to get rid of 'em be honest. Don't hold back. We're reading list more Vince. Young Sense emplo question. Why do you think there are many theories about why there are so many Jewish? Comedians writers You really wants the truth. There aren't there aren't yes there are Jews Johnny Carson. Oh has it ju- for you Jay Leno? I have to call him the rabbi sick. I you funny tonight. I mean nearside. O.`Neil is Jewish. Excuse me but they're tremendous amount of non Jews in the business they just always focus on the Jews. You're talking about hosts who host the Jews at such a better. You're thinking about okay I. I am an Irish Catholic. And now breakout juice got shaky I think that growing growing up we'll sort of had Jewish Listening to radio we. We had Jewish voices in our ears because all the writers so many of the writers were were Jewish. Then an end now. Why yeah why Well there there's there's theories of because through all the trillions of years of one wondering and everything it was it was always. It was always the defensive. Humor the defensive. So why shouldn't I saw her that but I I don't know almost daft you've been on mostly Jewish mostly Jewish. Oh absolutely yeah. Although it's kind of changed over in the past number of years but went but when you're crying up and when we were starting out it but yeah the question is why why I think good that. You always the underdog. Its way I live my life. I make my job I myself. I beat me to it. It's okay there's so much I love about this interview. I love the way to crack each other up like they just really can't help themselves. I also love how their affection for each other comes through it's clear that there is like such deep camaraderie and so much shared experience and the sense of women supporting each other and that didn't come through in her comedy on stage. But it's really nice to know that it was there behind the scenes. The other thing that doesn't come through in her comedy onstage. Which does come through in. This interview is her awareness that a person could be intelligent and beautiful at the same time. In fact one of her recurring themes on stage was that God doesn't handout. Looks than brains to the people so this interview really makes me wonder why she harped on that. Dated Stereotype onstage so much. Yeah I think we definitely see the way in which people can have an intellectual critique of some of the more problematic aspects of society but still deeply internalize them and Jones. Plastic surgery is also a great example of that she had a lot of quote unquote work done and she talked very openly about it. And you definitely couldn't miss it and you know part of that I'm sure was about vanity and part of it. I think also might have been her way of taking reality to the extreme which is part of her approach to humor to in this case to the world. Okay you think women should an age. Well this is what that looks like when you take it to. The extreme and she is remembered for many of those extremes and also criticized for them. But it's also so important to remember. Just how talented. She was at making people laugh. I think People Forget. How much of a groundbreaker she was. And you know there's only so much we can expect people to do as pioneers and there was a way in which she was breaking the system and busting into it and also very much bound by it. There was there was a limit to what she could imagine. But that doesn't take away from all the new things that she did there. Wasn't anyone like her. And thank you for joining us for. Can we talk the podcast of the Jewish women's archive? Sarah Entry helped edit this episode. Our team also includes Becky long and Shira craft our theme. Music is by in trouble. You can find. Can we talk online at jd dot org slash can talk and anywhere? You get your podcast. Please take a moment to review us on Itunes and share your favorite episode with your friends so that others can find us and if you'd like to help us produce more episodes of can we talk. Please go to JD. Dot Org slash donate to make a contribution I'm Judith Rosenbaum. And I'm no honey rouse wishing you good health until next time.

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"Next week on one to review. The boys did back into one to review history for the first ever best of episode. We're pulling out all the stuffs and setting our platelets in banger only mode for some of the funniest most disturbing and heartwarming moments from the past moments. Like when Alex was in puree, aided by movie called dad got Joan girl gets a wish. She gets one wish from a genie lamp. One wish for some reason and she wishes her dad would have a bigger, but when you're thirteen and you go around with your dad, who is single, single, dad bad the way it wasn't embarrassing, bud, sheriff shirt. The other girls at school, make fun of your dad's all the time. It's a sore spot for her. I get that we be live in Barrasso and shameful moments to make all the times when Brandon about doing physical activity, even number. I'll do a log ready. I'll do one. And all d one. Do another one. Sounds like you whipping logs. Well, we all chop wood differently. Chop your wood brand. It's good for you. So tune in next week for this and so much more to the best of one to you.

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Joan Rivers is on fire on the 25th anniversary of her first appearance on The Tonight Show

The Johnny Carson Show

17:10 min | 5 months ago

Joan Rivers is on fire on the 25th anniversary of her first appearance on The Tonight Show

"Hey there I'm your host of the Johnny Carson. Show podcast this week. We've got a great show from April. Twenty fifth of Nineteen Eighty six and a features Joan rivers twenty one years ago to this day on the show. Joan talks about making her first appearance on tonight. Show Jones a very funny woman. I have had the pleasure of working with her many times. I have always enjoyed knowing her and being around her she was one of the funniest and hardest working women. In comedy we worked together at CAESARS. Tahoe a few times and well. We all miss her when she left it her own show. That's one ended for Joan and Janis relationship but this is during the happy times and it's a great show. I hope you enjoy it. I'll see you at the end and now ladies and Gentleman Johnny. Report added the front. The Friday night revellers around. Will you feel that way if you had to pay about twenty two bucks to get in here? Yup You make up. This is the way to finish the week last night. We had a crowd that was once. Weren't sophisticated kind of lowbrow and I'll give you one guy showed up late because he couldn't get a sitter for his goat. Want to buy back your ovation. Oh I saw Joan rivers backstage. I went home. I thought I was off. Thank you you're where the Maud Miami vice look or anything like that this is not it. Look if it weren't I wouldn't have any fit at all anyway. Welcome to southern California. That's where we this is crazy. Leyland driving to work today. I thought I'd seen everything in southern company saw Hurst with a bumper sticker saying stiff on board. By the way this is you know remember as a kid. Spring ahead fall backwards. We change the clock. What time to daylight saving time on Sunday? Set your clock it one hour which great and get an extra hour of daylight to sit on the freeway coming in from the beach. The president is in town tonight. Why didn't you invite friends? You know the president well. Why didn't you call him? Say Ron or MR president dropping before he leaves I did Sir and he said you'll get back to it will. No I won't is what he's saying. No he's he's he's GonNa Twenty Two thousand mile. Triple staying here tonight Hughes I guess there's an economic summit and he's also going to have plans to discuss. Terrorism Reagan's going Japanese stop terrorising Detroit going to stop in Hawaii and the White House announced. He was going to call Ferdinand Marcos while he's in Hawaii. It's going to be an unusual phone call. It'll be a from the gipper to the dipper. Strangest news item the day. I do not believe it when I read the paper. At and T. The telephone company has asked permission to cut long distance rates by a billion and a half dollars starting on June. I did you read that. You're probably GONNA be some long extensive hearings because I know a lot of the people are GonNa come in and say don't let them lower the rates there's a long way to go for For nothing well are are close ally. France is finally putting some pressure on Libya from now on any Libyans visits ranch will be treated like American tourists in the paper today. That Libya asked all foreign reporters to leave the country immediately because quote. They need the hotel. Space uncalled Yeah somewhere in. Tripoli has always been a great tourist Mecca. What you flied die on a camel anyway. We got a good deal. You're in a good mood. I mentioned before Philip. Michael Thomas of Miami prices here. Have you ever noticed that? Show the Crockett. And tubbs always have trouble catching drug dealers because wherever they go the crooks here that rock music track anything. Crockett and Tubbs you hear that rock music anyway. Miss Joan rivers is with US tonight. Thank you will be usually when we have an author of a book. This is usually spot an issue on which we have an author. My next guest is an author touching and inspiring story. Enter talking by my next guest Joan rivers. I don't think is going to look when she comes out like she does on the back of the gover- would you walk on his Joan Rivers? The author spun off the books by the author spot. How are you? This is the clothes I wore I. I'm wearing hair less. That's why I was talking about. Let me show the picture. Let's say thank you. Is this the same dress that you wore was a sixty five and seventy nine hundred sixty five twenty twenty one years and you had the strand hoses same hairdo look at this? This is from if you don't believe it look at me. And then you'll find out the data. This picture Sandra dee makeup. I was wearing what happened to me. The hair seemed to drink like that. They are at night feeling great. Yeah we've got an hold. It's very hard to believe sometimes on a timeframe to think that it was twenty one years ago. When you first came out and said down you'd think you any older feeling. I feel great I went to buy sexy underwear medically gift raptors averagely for your aunt or something sure and when you buy Bikini the body is falling and you wearing a bikini go waiting and the top gets wet. I grab it starts to go pick. That's why I wanted to write. The book could still remember your sixty sixty sixty center. Do nothing moves like sprayed. All all knows a piece. I saved it all because it's such a big night for me. I'm wearing the same underwear which everyone backstage remembers crew here. I remember back saver by nature. I mean you are your shadow metal about things very sad but look at the dedication of the book of you. It was very sweet of you have to do that too. Says does your baby and then you have a dedication. Can I read it just to your husband who made this book happened and we just happened to Johnny Carson. Who made it all happened? Very sweet only take credit for putting on the show but I did say one thing that night which I have seldom said on his show over the years you finished your routine and you were devastating and the audience was falling apart and you walked over and sat down and I said you know you're going to be a big star. That's something you don't say because it always sounds like you're just look behind me. I couldn't believe you're talking to me. Anterior show this time and I was playing. That was terrible. I mean I was playing with awful shows a gun opening for everybody. You Plan coffeehouses place in the village. I was playing with him. Go into the act. My was opening for one neater and her amazing vibrant I. Nevertheless They Find Act Skyrocket. Did Not night in the career was a little bit. John you remember some of your first jokes that you thought were dynamite and went out and just went. Oh tell you maybe you're young. You just go. Yeah I was doing a thing about own. My mother has to as I was but it still is at home that warned as the expression goes moving and there is like that was a terrible job that you had the guts to say. Yeah do you remember. Did you have fond memories of the early early times in a career or do now? Yeah looking back. Yeah Yeah I mean. We were all down the village together. Bill Cosby was there. And Richard Pryor was on Barbra streisand's book and we're all stumbling all of which is and that was exciting then right but am I glad it's over with. I mean you know can eat ketchup super little bits. And that's when I was boobs at time. I looked terrible. You mean these changed since I mean. I knew the dresses a new additions to your person. Well what I did. I play when I hadn't in sixty five. There's a lot of rubbery tonight I had. Some groups had so much wherever they race when a hat. Except you know something with age comes wisdom big boobs to be feminine. Liberace THAT'S TRUE. That's true that matter. Katherine Hepburn and her brother. Audrey done very well thank sixties. I like this. They liked round a women. You know what I'm saying. I guess at that time. Yeah think about Mallon row is very round very much more curvaceous than what they have now. Almost like the Gibson girl if you remember what the Gibson girls were like in the eighteen thing called the gibbs girl everything was since then with the way censure very full in the in the and it's Christie Brinkley. Now is a little fuller body. She's beautiful you like that. Look look like but not upset. I mean there's nothing going on you've matter Christie Brinkley's maybe she's what you never can look at me and do these candy. She's living testimony to that because he brings me. He's a living testament that peroxide. 'cause drained true. She's not driving to Saint Patrick's Day was wearing green. She thought W. exploded and it doesn't right now because the figures figures is there in the look there. Don't you think men really like intelligence more when it comes right down to Lee? Are we going to go back to that? You're I mean about brain during ever put his hand up a woman's recipe for a library card so true so true. Your full truisms. Tonight comes with his wisdom with age. It's on the but all the I mean I'm not even attractive. In Russia Russian women. Russia is the only country in the world where men carry not a pretty sight over. There's not any England you shows for the BBC. Abc Five specials and they really loved the number one. Isn't that yeah? I couldn't believe we got to meet the Queen. You're kidding she's you met the Queen of England after the joke about the stamp that you remember. Just take it all back to the joke. You did some time ago. I said a couple of things that the queen said she sits like this. And no one has the guts to say your highness us. Her picture on the first thing you want to do is go to lick the back of her neck right. You know get change. You grow with wisdom wisdom. Tell me about meeting the She's she's charming Charlie. And she's not not the best restaurant in the world but it's not just me that was saying because there's flip was showing everybody kept saying you know. Why should we over address? It wasn't just? She's wearing so on a rope for jewelry. Roker Hillary back and the vitamins. The wedding the wedding over the Sarah Ferguson Ferguson. We kirke asked she's GonNa marry Prince. Andrew Pinsent Urine asked up not probably in the mail. I'M GONNA BUY IN FOR WEDDING GIFTS. England's biggest importers Chins. People don't know that they can never go right through me. I was talking to Queen about you know she. She's had everybody. I mean this is not if you read people magazine People magazine. She had many many bears and she's had England Ireland. Scotland Canada survey white. Know that every but again everybody wears white. Madonna's wedding war. Why are hairy hairy I? She raised her. I go Tina. Turner was under the Mr Wisdom. He's got a manager one more picture that's in the book entertaining at A. Uso show relate different girl in Thailand different girl entire thank God. The book is doing well doing very well. Isn't that Nice? You open tonight. I understand you right up in Las Vegas Caesar's palace there for I'll never two weeks weeks and you'll be sitting on sitting here actually and again. Thank you for letting me all right. That's it for me. I hope you enjoy Joan rivers. All this month will be bringing celebration of International Women's Day so tune in and find out some of the other fascinating interesting successful women that we will feature on the Johnny Carson. Show podcast until then. I'm your host will schreiner see around.

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Serenity Now: Music And A Conversation With Joan Shelley

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41:32 min | 9 months ago

Serenity Now: Music And A Conversation With Joan Shelley

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Tito's handmade vodka morning bread in Austin Texas the live music capital of the world. Eighty proof Tito's handmade vodka fifth generation Inc. distilled and bottled in Austin Texas Planet. My knee is the mountaineer economists behind the carbon tax. It's the baseball player. Trying to get a pay. Raise the prisoner building a blockchain out of cans of mackerel planet money from NPR listen the now from NPR music. It's all songs considered. I'm Bob Boylan. Joan Shelley makes music. That lulls my soul. Given listen to this song. It's called the sway and listen not only to Jones words or sweet singing but also the guitar interplay between Joan and her musical partner Nathan Salzburg it makes for such graceful imagery and beautiful storytelling. You here on this phone. Full everything coma and I WANNA ride with you this slowed in this sway abby wind and then they can oh I've got I. I Want mm-hmm to those that serve skin can turn on Canna Uh I invited Joan Shelley to come in and played. Dj To pick songs that had an impact on her life. She and Nathan have a Lotta musical touchstone so they came together with a bunch of songs and some of those influences it can be heard. On Joan Shelley Fifth Solo record called like the river loves to see Joan Shelley from Louisville Kentucky and so is Nathan Salzburg work became to NPR and our conversation began talking about the relationship between music and geography. Yeah I think the place factors on the level. Most of us aren't conscious of its more obvious in say when you live in a city and you imitate the sounds of the traffic and the noise and the constant Hummer whatever without you know without knowing it. It's just the language you learned through Osmosis and then for people that stay in these smaller places or live at different speeds and in different environments. I really I think we absorb that environment and and somehow you know make the size of noise that fits the space. And I'm saying I'm you grew up. What was the environment? Just a small farm outside of Louisville Kentucky Nathan. I grew up in town in the city of the city of Louisville Kentucky. Can you this is really this would be dissecting. But you've been playing and working together so long. Can you feel that difference in each of you're playing the way you approach music is is it that literal or am I just making more of it than needs to be made of probably making more of it but there is something something there. I've noticed that a lot of the people I play with now used to be in Like punk rock hardcore scene level and that would include Nathan here that was a very a formative experience for me growing up and when I went away to college I discovered Kentucky Mountain Music and I missed home and I kind of wore my Kentucky Romanticism. I'm on my sleeve and discovering the fiddle tunes of Kentucky just completely blew my mind because it has obviously the same power. If not more power rawness of punk rock but also also has endured in a way conversation between me as an eighteen year old kid missing home and the collective tradition of the place I was from so it really filled fill me and continued to and that's actually how John ended up sort of becoming friends and playing easy to begin with was through traditional music. Can you play me a song. That might've might've been a uniting force in music that you love and 'cause an emmy or Eddie Graham or one of those things did you say it was O'connor Australian because there's roscoe holcomb. Oh Oh yeah absolutely. Let's say Great Banjo. Example the thing in Banja that I think is so radical and fun as opposed to mainstream music. Sometimes discovering Roscoe go home when I was in college was just an absolute bomb going off just the intensity of course this is. Everyone's experience hearing him for the first time whether they like him or not. Just the intensity of a singing and playing absolutely unadorned orange absolutely in your face I mean the the actual he was the one who defined the highlands sound for John Cohen. WHO recorded him When I first heard this it was just everything I always wanted to hear here without knowing it? So as played a little Birdie uh-huh Thank career any new. Hello I'm Lou amfar. I anti saying me saying he Rob Lov Mama the amount of military it comes from Kentucky. Though it's don't know Roscoe do either of you hear him as a kid or is it something you both came to. In in your teens and twenties. It was when I came back to Louisville and started playing the old time Jams that were going on around town. I was learning overhand Banjo or Claw Claw Hammer Banjo and just that kind of driving incredibly like whole body kind of rhythm and his voice has got that you know what Bob Dylan's China do and I love that you went and did sessions in old-timey sessions. I do Irish sessions like or services. He's like that playing a contr ban to describe them to someone who never has done and those who haven't done it do it. Yeah there. I'm sure different different everywhere but I think the part that drew me into those. The one in Louisville so much was a bunch of young people my age like getting so into this and and having multiple generations there too so he had like these elders who knew tunes who could do tunes forever and you just get absorbed into the circle and there's no like hierarchy about it where there's like one bat you know. Amazing Soloist who kind of steps into the center like in Bluegrass. Someone takes the shine. And you're like all right we're GONNA listen. Listen this is everybody and It's a good way to learn for you know for anybody. It's just that kind of spirit is what I was looking for on all levels but in music. That's it's a just a great kind of place to grow at that age you know and get in touch with elders in a tradition I moved back back to Kentucky in two thousand and seven after seven years of living in New York and worked for the Alan Lomax archive now for nineteen years. Just kind of crazy but Came back to one of the reasons. I WANNA come back home because I was getting into fiddle tunes and Banjo tunes just listener and not as a player. And when I sort of you know of course that's not traditionally from Louisville. We have a much more urban sort of music tradition but with Jug doc bands and blues and Bluegrass. But that's not necessarily a native to Louisville out the old traditions when it came to town it was really exciting. I just went to basically Lisa Watch and listen Got Pulled in a little bit playing guitar And then I met Joan when her string band was playing at a bar and he's string band beyond two other women Julia pursell and Shyam is still record with these days and sing with all the time. But yeah what you say the name Maiden Radio in the name of that one Emmy Id e n Nice three part harmony singer was our obsession so you put any of that music out. Yeah it's a small released on a label called Oak Kentucky that our friend Ron. So would you mind if I played. I'm sure I guess Sugar Bay was one of our first ones that we really love singing together They use rock and a baby and and so when praying Smiles at great in this. This what about ten years old navy and the lead singer was not you was Cheyenne mice. But you're they're singing Playing another yet another Banjo. How many banjos three three? That's a crime off if I play Something of yours from Conrad. I want you to see if you can connect any dots. Don't make you know Um mm-hmm if they exist and I'm coming down to I'm coming down as we knew. no-one taught Poland close ago when danger tend to expose expose in A. Ah when you come down as you and I'm saving me just to come down. You took coming as as you. My my fingers are pulling the faded down but my brain wants to fade so it's really beautiful for connections between that old band we played and and when you do now well one big connection. There is that the way I'm playing guitar on. That song. Is something learn from playing Banjo. Actually I put the guitar in a in a open tuning and to that hammer on rhythm that is a very banjo rhythm. mm-hmm and gives songs great drive again that like rhythm that was so magnetising to the Banjo But we went to Iceland record. This and I was like so. Oh give me a banjo for this song and like I'll bring my own guitar. You guys find a banjo. Couldn't find a banjo. Thank you gotta be adapt. That is crazy did yeah speaking of landscapes and I don't know where you wear nicest nicest The landscape there is the most stunning. I'm not a world traveller by any means but that's one place I've been to and I you. You hear the music that comes from it. And how can you not make connection between Landon and what comes out of it. Musically yeah in a lot of the production choices choices. I was thinking ahead to being in an alien place. I liked imagining kind of a bigger space to be in right so besides not having abandoned how else might you thought The landscape or place or the people in the pacing might have had an effect on making commits record. Is here bill. I think it is in the romanticism. You know I was listening to that record cowboy in Sweden the Lee Hazlewood record as an inspiration for this and for working with James Elkington. I sent him. That is like you know. Let's aim for this but not get it right producer yes And and guitarist who plays with Nathan here as well so more maybe in the imagination because when we finally got there it was very apparent that we were going to be in the studio. Go from you know after breakfast till everything closed at night and so we were really on the island. That is the recording studio rather than under the northern lights or somewhere you imagine agean volcanic something. Did you get to ride around at all. One day we went to a hot river like a hot spring river. It was pretty awesome. Good hike then bunch of people sitting in a river together like like it was normal. Talked about music And early influences I gas you to pick both of you will have picked music from there have been influential important. Lovable in your lives make me Connection connection between coming down in her on that song. The harmony singer is Bonnie Prince. Billy who was a major influence on me as as a young person and The fact that he sings with me now still blows my mind because I first encountered him through the record master and everyone. which is this really delicate? Quiet record beautiful. And it was may be a breakthrough and that. I didn't know you could sing that quietly in that powerfully. That would be allowed kind of in the world because you'd hear delicate music and I kind of wrote it off but the way he sings what he sings about and to was so powerful also. I knew that there was something that whisper quiet thing that could be that could affect people in a powerful way to play. I guess the title Title Track Master and everyone from about fifteen years sixteen years That is crazy Tell me there are fishing Z Z.. And another gather roses The most sirven the serevent tune Constancy that was a Joe. nata framing meeting new fickle Brag abandoned. There were crime like a bird freed from his cage. Night in. Yeah a certain certain to Um Hum Uh when did I hear that song. Joan think I was nineteen and I had moved to Athens Georgia for school. And that's when I got into like Vic Chestnut Jason Molina was in that world and I was like well. He's from your town and I I had to go and listen to everything. And how did you find Lee Hookup. been meet too. I actually met him at a ugly sweater party. That's how it works. We'll some strange Porto and it was. Just yeah the most casual thing and so in a way he'll always exist. Does this musical thing that affected me at a young age and then the person that I know now is like a different a different person to me. That is my friend but it just made music that change things. I don't know Nathan you book Tim or something when you were in college. I was a massive massive fan of palace brothers and Palestinian combat. Ninety five ninety six excellent a freshman in college has able to book him. You know the Student Activities Board Room that was just completely all on. That was when he was doing the arise there for two ninety seven and And then met him actually through the Lomax archive strangely in two thousand five We became friends and Moved Back to Louisville and saw more of him. I'd I'd like to make a connection if I may between Joan will is that So actually wills new the new body Principia miss out this Friday and John got to play on it. It quite a bit and Oh I didn't know that. Yeah we're on the guitar player in Jones the harmony singer when wills not singing himself and will and Joan are the luggage. I've played more with these two than anyone else in terms of songwriter and singers and they don't require accompaniment they sent me an. You can hear that I think master and everyone's a record that every song has one one extra thing happening when other instrument. That's not a guitar and singing. If I'm right about that or either way it's very minimal. And the trick of playing with will and Joan own is just basically just to get out of the way as much as possible and just ornament when it seems rights. Because they don't require it then require gauze or filler. Oh support really. The songs are so strong seeing assist on the performances so strong And John and I both picked a song that I actually could illustrate that pretty well and June taber is a big inspiration rations of both John. It will if I may say so and Her Guitar Player on this particular track. That we picked is Martin Simpson whose solo record. I don't love but I really love his guitar playing and he does such incredible work on the song and when Joan I started playing in two thousand fourteen or so fifteen this was a huge inspiration to me of of the appropriate appropriate way to approach a song like Joan Shelley Song. And you know would i. May I be so lucky. Some data players as fluidly and beautiful. He's Martensson does on this track Aw you to tie were. You'd be uh when I we're easy law slim another to Listener to move the Sun. God and I I saw good notary spies From a window voted with strangers Mirror is the one side you he won't go all so am I is in nor danger but it's to know you uh talk I feel hello. This is the music that went up. I heard you. Joan was the connection for me and somewhere in deep in my soul which was I was listening to British folk music in In the sixties and seventies and Jim Taylor was one of those heroes of mine Where did you both Nathan and Joan? Where did you both hear it and Was it an influence on you. Both author was at the other way around where you just start making this music and then you heard a connection to music that existed like help me at already been making music for years before I heard heard this stuff but it was when I came back to Louisville and a lot of those people who are into like slant and four carnation. We're like I'm really also into gene. Taber I think it was a funny Yeah phenomenon just a lot of people it resonated and I got those records just as recommendations nations. But I don't know how did you come to a rose fourteen. I saw on public access TV channel in Columbus Ohio. A ban from Vermont called the woods teacup and he playing wild mountain time and I alive I thought I I couldn't hold it together. I was weeping watching something in it. It sounds so ridiculous cliche but it really really killed me and and When I discovered a you know Richard Thompson Nick Drake in college? But then when I first heard Nick Jones and then heard you know the more acoustic version of the more sort of string bandy arrangements of traditional music and particularly Ireland and England it just was the it just hit me like nothing else still ever has it just it. It strikes a chord somewhere you genetically in me and so I was interested in the revival folks and started going further further back. And you know now I'm interested in Illinois pipe seventy eights and that sort of thing. uh-huh oh I love that so that that genetic thing I don't know what rabbit hole about to go down but do you think that's true. Do you think there's there's something in us that deep inside there's something that will attract us to a music. That's talk about place but is there something like doc deep inside not what was on the on the radio in your parents house but deeper than that genetically tricky one but it has more soul to me. I think if you talk about what what's deepen us. It's not about exactly like an identity like the national identity or a place like our homeland. But it's just. When did we sing for the sake of the song you know? How far back did we leave it? And I think that that music is a good source point for a lot of the the sole in our I don't know white tradition and then but nothing's thinks pure so. That's I just WanNa make clear that I don't think of it as a anything yet. We talked about folk music and obviously like the question of authenticity is the most fraught on ever but there is something about authentically representing a a moment in a place that say contemporary Nashville. Can't do and the idea idea music being sort of place Louis to me in the end is just not that satisfying like things that are sort of born of and refer to the place in which they came and whether that's in Indonesia North Africa or dial of sky. You know there's something. That is undeniably intuitively authentic about a lot of that music. I wouldn't tend to define it in words but I certainly feel it. Let's take a break. Come back on play that Bonnie Prince Billy Song that you're on because I didn't know you're on it now and here fresh. I'm speaking with Canadian. Salzburg and Jones Shelley. You're listening to all songs considered from. NPR music the following. Message comes from our sponsor Jack. Daniel's Nelson Eddy Jack Jack Daniels historian explains why he believes. 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I'm here with Nathan Salzburg. I'm here with Jones Shelley. To my surprise they played on a new record. Comes out this week by Bonnie Prince Billy. And we're going going to play. The song is called in good faith. DOC SUDBURY JERRY TURNS OVER TO BE of The sunny lighter Kudzu goes In striven S- play songs brought food from their take these vibrations resound bringing you then joy to uh-huh We over now is is to a parade of thirst mornings break. Pray Way what we we might be for the We rise every day and we will take our golden star And say do your best to your and apologies for bringing this down lawyer guitar playing playing Mr Nathan. You've been really quirky habits or any thing about working with Bonnie Princeton record like this that helps bring that character to life and I will say he's one of the most playful in the recording environment. He's at his best like and some of them. It seems like of all the people have been studio with. He has the most fun that's awesome. Yeah they're delicate little records that he makes Komo music he makes Let's go backward something older There's this great correct label in Kentucky called June apple and its second album. was this record by Sei. Con In nineteen seventy five and. It's the song called like butter. LOVES BREAD ON THAT ALBUM new would they gave me the title for my up so like the river loves the sea is another another verse In the song so like butter loves bread is how I love you like. The river loves the sees. How I love you and I it just hit me and I thought about is the perfect perfect way to describe the kind of that? I like to sing about. which is this natural force kind of thing rather than I guess the more Like the rockabilly love song or something like I missed you at the corner last night. Why'd you hurt me baby or something? Like I have no time for that when I sat the right listener. I appreciate that so say cons music I think is a good place to go home. We're talking about songwriting. No fancy gowns. Don't high class stands to. I'm just not my style I've ever been on to ask for favors but a whole plan to stay within the your conversation precision among friends at the time to learn saw. Aw It's Common Armand to say that times change but that's not true. Ansong leave the chains Plants in my windows time to to rain. ooh I don't ask for anything that you don't offer a place to resmed thoughts and name and that Saif Khan S I. I Newark K.. H. and Greg Picker and Apple Records For many of us it's a very special label. Do you not always the label of the apple shop. which was still is this fifty year? Old East Kentucky Coalfield Media Institute and Weisberg Kentucky and it was there House label and their first release was a guy named Nimrod Workman who was a unaccompanied Ballad singer Topical Song Composer and Singer Incredible and minor and activists who apparently March with Mother Jones Blair Mountain in nineteen thirty one but a huge those records. That in Workman record completely blew my mind utterly utterly in about two dozen to and I heard it. And juniper was a massive inspiration for me to move back to Kentucky which I ended up doing And just I think a corrective to the idea that that that progressivism is somehow Totally foreign to the mountains in SICOM was so good at that too. One of our greatest political songwriters without being doctrinaire doctrinaire. Such a delicate songwriter and singer and thinker about a lot of issues that affect East Kentucky in particular and rubber miss that way as well in he wonderfully in the folk process he would sing. A Song of cyclones called Aragon Mill that he called number on called Brown Lung Blues About The textile Strikes and you know it's textile industry closing Kentucky and He would say this is a song that's icon wrote. And I kind of put my own way sing into it. And he would claim it as his out and then he you just covered Sakon song wonderful you know fo processing way Qatar. Playing that's going on here is Fills familiar. Yeah I just like that very simple but full enough to carry a Song Finger Style Guitar picking right like something that. I- imitative imitative. Nathan's when I was kind of trying to get better guitar. And and we put songs together just on those kind of know simply locked cards and I love the way the interplay between you two. It's almost a one force and it's really beautiful. I like to Let's go out on something that is sort of feels like that. Yeah the Faden good example of that going Great Shelly Nathan Saul's book. Thank you. Thank you Joan. Shelley Nathan Salzburg. The new Jones Shelley album is called like the river loves to see. I'm Bob boiling for NPR music. It's all songs is considered a spring. Remember a taste Jin on skin your form anger sway songs. We Sing Sing init- star they charge you. You know I would live through the banks and You you wanna hit the walls mom this guy ooh rose. 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Joan Greene

Two Broads Talking Politics

17:39 min | 6 months ago

Joan Greene

"Are you listening Everyone it's sophie from two brats talking politics part of the test family podcast and joining me today as ever it is my co host Kelly Kelly. Hello Sophie Twenty Twentieth Year of Technical Difficulties. I've decided it is but that's okay because hopefully technical goal difficulties will be the only difficult and enjoy Nance today as well is Joan Green. She is running for election to new Congress from Arizona's Fifth Congressional district. Welcome hello everybody thank you for having me. It's GonNa be fun. Thanks for joining joining us to start off by introducing yourself to our listeners. Toasted little bit about who you are and sort of how you came to be running for Congress perfect great my name is Joan Green as you all said and I am an Arizona. Native grew up in Arizona. Went to college in Tucson. At the University of the Era Zona received my psychology degree and then moved back to Phoenix and started my business thirty three years ago so I am a small business. Owner honor and during that thirty three years also had a couple of additional businesses. That have run at the same time so just crazy right. I'm heavily involved in rescue. Excu work because I believe that we should extend our hand to those in need and it just so happened to be puffs and kittens and so I have a huge vet bill now and always a dog hair on me. So that's okay. I'm running because Right now in our district and it's been going on for quite a bit of time with this person. Is that you know we need a captain sully to land the plane and get everybody ready safely and my opponent is actually the captain of the titanic. He's GonNa take everyone down with us so I'm running not because he's a Republican but because of his policies and he has done everything in his power in the past twenty years to hurt our families and our community and that started when he was in the state Senate and the House from taking away trying to stop our Medicaid expansion. We have a program called kids. It's care here which would Extend health care for low income families is taken away funding for education but keeping in mind everything everything that he takes away he and his cronies benefit financially from it. So that's why I'm running. We need somebody who's honest so till slow it about the the Arizona Fifth District. It's it seems like you know. Just sort of looking at a map. That's not that far from Phoenix. It seems like it should be kind of kind of Blue Lou area but on on paper it looks you know like like it's been going for Republican so so what's going on. What kind of district is this? And and then what do you see as kind of your path to victory so you mentioned next. Well there's a spiff is just like a little suburb out it out there. So it's you know. See a phoenix. Thanks then you know depending on where you live a couple of miles away. It's Mesa Chandler. So it's all linked to each other so it's all little cities we are a purple district. We're about a third of thirty third. Maybe a little bit more. Republican there were independent than Democrat but we have The majority is independent because we have people who they like that choice and that freedom to to to vote however they want to vote. We know that it's not a red district. Because in the last cycle Iran we received one hundred twenty seven thousand and twenty seven votes which meant we set records in our district for Democrat to vote for first time candidate and we know that we received our votes from Republicans Republicans and our independence so we have a wide range of support there. We also have in our area. We have a very large section of the tea party. which is the far right wing? and which would be considered the freedom caucus in Congress right now and like most minorities forties. They have the loudest voices so they're trying to do the self fulfilling prophecy where it's not happening. So the self fulfilling prophecy is is. If we say we're red then everybody believes were red so nobody will run here. Because they'll be afraid that they'll lose and I say to heck with that. We all want the same thing you know. Education health care environment and They're losing that battle. You mentioned that you ran into to eighteen and two years later you talk a little bit do you. Do you have any sense of the atmosphere. Having changed what what seems different. not this time around the two thousand eighteen for me personally and listening to the people because we're so in two thousand eighteen. We had the people were voted for right because they wanted a change or they didn't like Clinton Okay and I and I understand that because even though we came down the escalator being racist even though we told us who he was people still didn't really kind of grasp that but now he's shown the the people okay and they won't it goes against their their their values. Any big has never been. My opponent has never been popular around. Here he's just skated by on a letter and again food loudest minority voice. We have a large Retirement communities after and they would appreciate not having their social security or Medicare Taken away from them. So we're watching this and we're not unique meek. All over the country people are frightened. People are fearful people are like. This is not what I signed up for. We thought we might have a little policy disagreement. We I just didn't realize that our life is going to be in the well of of Hor sorta speak. You mentioned healthcare as as something that people are I mccan continuing to be concerned about continuing to as an important issue that was certainly true in the twenty eighteen election right. What are the kinds of things That you would like to see Congress doing to improve healthcare and healthcare access. Well we need to have. We need to strengthen our affordable care right and we need to. We have a country. That's big on choice. We do it every day. In our life We choose what restaurant we're going to go going to choose where we are on vacation. So people really don't like things like thrust on them so we need to strengthen our or affordable care act because that's what people want and then we need to add into their The choice of people who want to buy into Medicare so instead of being sixty five and going into that. If you're fifty fifty years old You can buy into it at a little higher cost. If you're thirty years old you can buy into it a little higher cost and then the older you go then the lower. Your monthly premiums are people can keep their particular healthcare unions have their own insurance that they've negotiated rotated for they should be able to keep that. If you WANNA keep your own private insurance go for it because eventually what's going to happen is that people will see that. There is an another a better way to do it. But again we're a nation who has who doesn't like who likes toys but as also fearful. Does that make sense. They're fearful of change so when I talked to a Republican neighbors and our friends. We all want the same thing. They all want healthcare healthcare that includes pre existing conditions. They all want lower drug costs and we can do that We live by the boarder and unfortunately because our costs are so high people actually go into Mexico to get the medical services they need. We shouldn't have to do that so we talked a little bit about healthcare. Can you tell us maybe a couple of the other issues that keep coming up when you talk to voters in this climate in our environment is a big one. People are literally in tears because they are afraid for what the future is in climbing it also includes our public lands that again my opponent is trying to sell to the lowest bidder. We have the our national national monuments were were there. Bulldozing are are CACTI to build this wall that nobody wanted because he came down an escalator right. And so you know. They're trying to make something fit a narrative that was never going to happen again. Zona water where's our water gonNA come from right now. We have a limited amount of water and it's being used for corporate farming so we have all south enhanced grown and then being shipped to Saudi Arabia because they don't have water but they don't have a problem taking our water and that's the that's the local governor owner here. Who's who who doesn't cause not looking out for our best interests that's for sure so environment? Healthcare and education is a big one so we need to make sure that every zip code has the opportunity to have a great education and affordable education. Should they choose used to move on from high school whether it's vocational or two year or four year. That doesn't put them into bankruptcy. You mentioned that you have started a few businesses away. What's your perspective? Does that give you a on. You know legislating and and being in Congress what are what order Kinda the resume building things from that that you think are valuable for a job in Congress. Well my the people so I work with my clients range from MOM and pop two multi-billion dollar corporations and they all have one thing in common. They all have a problem and they came to me to help solve it which I did so my business after thirty years has taught me how to solve problems Realistically realistically not a pie in the sky if you came to me with a problem and you saw you need the solution. I'm not afraid to tell you know and and bring bring to you a solution that yes that will work so we need somebody who is realistic. Who can look at all sides of the problem if I need be Goto experts and and Know How to communicate with oil with everybody. You know because that's what we're for dealing with we're dealing with people whose lives are on the line who's kitchen table issues You know we every day we run a household like a business business and so we need people who can speak the language of the people in my opponent. Y You know. He's not qualified he. He made his money winning winning ten million dollars in the publisher's clearing house sweepstakes remember Ed McMahon. He was that guy. You know the lucky guy right but it didn't make him qualify. What what that did is that made him continue to be the person that he was which you know? No you know. So for twenty years as a staunch conservative that he is and and wanting to take away our Ivan benefits we own them the social security in the Medicare taking it away. He's never worked a day in his life. He's well he might have before he wanted but not successfully not for a long time time but instead he spent twenty years living off of our taxpayer dollars. So he's out of touch. He doesn't understand what it's like like to to figure out. How do we make our bills? How do I feed my child and provide school books and shoes and he? He doesn't care to to understand that which is really the shame of it all. Has Anything surprised you running for office. I think the surprise fries. It's so pleasant. Is that I dump these great friendship from the community people who WanNa help people who see that all they needed was somebody who would take the lead and they would be glad to to help and be successful. And that's that's just been amazing and I. I have great relationships with other local and throughout the country other candidates who are running so for me. That's the best. That's the best part if you're if you're running looking for the party to help you don't you're going to get you know they're not going to happen unless you're you know. Raising the thing of boatload of money so that was the surprising part. 'cause you would think that they'd be really thrilled to death. Anybody you know would want to take on that. Take on that challenge to make our community better in a year with a presidential election in. What's going to be very hard fought Senate race? He's in Arizona. Are you expecting this to be a higher turnout year than in two thousand eighteen. Yeah we had a great reset records for turn out in two thousand eighteen so the way that we'll get it even higher as we are already working in our seems to get more people out to to register to vote to vote. Oh we have other grassroots people who aren't part of our team but who are out there doing that which I'm grateful for and Mark Kelly is going to be fabulous. He's going to bring Out The people. We have a great slate of down ballot. People who were coming in and people are finally you know coming in and saying you know. I didn't know this was happening. Behind the scenes on the Republicans were were running this. So we're we have an active campaign is when you know better. You vote better and we don't have to tell any lies. All we have to do is point to the record. They tell us. They showed us who they were. Were just amplifying their voice. His listeners want to help them with your camping. Can they do that on my gosh. Well you'd get a terrific gift that of a of a thank thank you right. I'm lying but they would go to Joan Green as E. and that's J. O. A. N. G. R. E. E. AS E. DOT COM and. You can sign up our email and get our newsletters. You can volunteer. You can donate you. You can send me a little note that says way to go and just you know. Just let me know that you're that you're out there rooting for us. Stare anything else that you want to make. Should we talk about. I want to make sure that people know that. We're we're going to win this because we're community and and I believe strongly that when we work together we thrive together and we're community that believes in extending our hand to those in need and we we don't we don't hold people down. WE WANNA list everybody up and we need to just just need to go back to the kind where we knew we're neighbors. We weren't fighting with our neighbors and we need people to be able to unify our district and our state. 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Joan Rivers vents about her dating problems & young Joey Lawrence makes 1st appearance, 1982

The Johnny Carson Show

27:21 min | 7 months ago

Joan Rivers vents about her dating problems & young Joey Lawrence makes 1st appearance, 1982

"There and welcome to the Johnny Carson. Show podcast I'm your host comedian will Schreiner a frequent guest on tonight show so I had a little bit of insight into what went on over there where today's podcast from March thirty first nineteen eighty two Janis. Monologue includes a few fun ideas things about getting an obscene phone call. Which I'm sure many of you have gotten a few of us have made okay? Maybe once Johnny gets a little upset with people taking the monologue a little too seriously. Johnny Johnny also jokes about Burbank's restaurant row two guys from Calcutta. The famed restaurant row is of course on. Lana but johnny got a lot of mileage about making fun of the restaurants in Burbank. The guests on today's podcast or Joey Lawrence and my old friend. The late Joan rivers now Joan was a frequent guest on the tonight. Show Joan. Don't even hosted tonight show many many times and eventually went on to leave. Johnny go to Fox and do her own show which was the subject of a huge fallout route. Between Johnny and Joan. Joan slate show on Fox. Didn't last very long and I think it compromise their friendship. I've been very lucky as a comedian. I've worked with Joan rivers many sometimes we Co headlined up at CAESARS. Tahoe and I remember her saying You do forty five minutes and I'll do forty five minutes and I was thinking well Joan. You're making the big money. And and she said but I don't have to work as hard so I to me. John was such a sweet lady. She was a workaholic. She always looked at her calendar and if she saw open dates she was ready to fill them in I Love Joan. She was very gracious. Very generous. I've had many experiences once where I was on crutches coming into Kennedy Airport and she obviously obviously a car service and and she said. You don't need a ride do I. So we I. I wouldn't mind to ride because I've gotten these crutches and she said Okay I go you you can have a ride. I go because if he didn't give me ride Joan. I was going to tell everybody how you left me at the curb at Kennedy on crutches. So it's best that we we never let that happen anyway. Joan rivers. There's a wonderful guest a frequent guest frequent host and a great lady On Hollywood the Johnny Carson Show. This is Ed McMahon inviting you to join Johnny and his guests for a look back at some of television's funniest moments. Nobody's ladies the Journal. Uh Yeah Nice. I'm on judging from ovation. You have great expectations and all I have for you is much ado about nothing. Swayed goes in a good mood tonight. I'm Johnny Carson Tonight. Show or is this known in Great Britain a straight lines revisited. They don't quite understand the show in Great Britain yet straight. All Right Doc. Very well time tonight the jazz convention invention or something. ocoee funny thing happened to me today. I got an obscene phone. Call this morning. I said the guy said You must have a wrong number and the guy said that's up to you. It was understand. I have to explain something. WHO's very difficult putting this monologue together tonight because my my head brighter chips lafferty? They got joke burnout and he committed suicide. Now he's his wife recall and said he'd left a note and I said is there anything in it I could use the monologue anyway. Of course he just made that. No such person is chips lafferty. Nobody died people. Take this literally when I say nobody died. I don't I mean maybe here after the show I recommend if you're out you're Burbank Burbank's famed restaurant Ro Avenue. Restaurant opened this week in Indian Indian restaurant two guys from Calcutta saw deliver. What's what they do? They give you a ball and you go beg for food at the next restaurant. The President Reagan's you probably no scheduled a press conference for tonight. He feels the timing is right because this week old actors are in now you booing me or old actors do. He's planning to go on radio. Yeah back to radio on Saturday night for the first in a series of ten. I guess they're calling fireside chats. Yeah today James Watt already cut down three redwood for the fireplace win woods big trees. What's difficult about saying redwood funded? Did I say what about my new. York's what might they use mighty oaks but I tried to say would root. How many do you have that problem? You're kidding you couldn't the same magazine or aluminum. For some reason. You say aluminum or magazine. I've always had that problem with Westwood. Barbara Walters could say that would well. Let's see now. I suppose the president is talking about at the economy Tonight it's not really too good is it. Is Everybody's little uncertain and I know it's bad because just before the show tonight thank goodness he came up to me. The guy with a gun came up to him. It stuck at my ribs Asus. Give me all your money and I said why are you doing this. And he said well. I'm one of the truly needy. And this is the only way I can get the private sector. I didn't cause the economic decline. Not My fault. You know what else close today. Around the nation thirteen woolworth's we'll stores are closing the five and dime I am. That's what we used to call it the five time. You can't buy anything in there for a nickel anymore. Getting a penny postcard for anymore. I'll tell you this is really interesting. The you're killing the Messenger for bringing you bad news. I'm just reporting what's happening. Well here's some I. I guess you might consider this. Sad News Shawkshank are starting to creep. Down in the Russian Premier Leonid Brezhnev is in the hospital. Yeah and apparently Monday night he had he had a turn for the worse is watching TV and he threw his bedpan at the set when reds lost for best picture the Russian the press does not put out any information. As to what is wrong. I found out myself going into surgery tomorrow. Zero for an eyebrow bypass sumo zeal and the ayatollah is old and sick Brezhnev is old and sick. Now fortunately our leader Ronald Reagan is in good health but the economy's in intensive care the lady. Diana is expected to have her baby on July. First which is her birthday is nice I think. NBC's GonNa Cover that right. Bill Jane Pauley and Tom Brokaw probably in a glass booth above the operator hears some more unpleasant news. In two weeks April the fifteenth is the deadline for filing your income tax. How many have not done it yet? Let me read some recommend some gusts of tax man who has a Woodward House the HR Ghana for the people. I go now. Agent are GonNa always get your money back he lets you cheat on your tax. Then he reports you to the government and splits ten percent of the reward with you after returns you in you follow that what apparently and in case when audit and you have to go to jail uh agent are gone up since his wife to for conjugal visits with you while. You're in okay. I've gotTA run. We have got a really fine show for you tonight. It's across the whole report. We're going to go. I got to be something going on across the hall. Maybe there's a game show you know. Bite your candidate or something like number two okay anyway away. No we've got some really fine people for you tonight. I am one of them. But you don't know about that. Joan rivers was here. The young man young man. I want to tell you too much about him. But he's he's a young man I don't even think he's six years old yet. He will but he will be shortly. Probably while I'm doing this monologue me joy lawrence is here with us. Also tonight I guess a young man and when I say young man I mean a young man. He's in Philadelphia. He's landed the lead role in an NBC pilot. CALL SCAMS CBS. Would you welcome joy lawrence joy. How you doing the you can tell me something like my Papa says you Papa Really Yep? I didn't know that thank you because you're nice looking young man. Thank you yourself this stuff. I'm going to do. Next cheers. Escaped my regards. How long you been performing well Starla five but you're not six yet are you know record is now five and three quarters? Three quarters of the year. I guess corker you're in the business. Yeah that's a good looking outfit tonight thank you. That really is good looking. And where did you get close at size I mean well my dad does he. Yeah Yeah Yeah. What is your Dan do? He has his own company owned company. Yeah yeah that's good uh-huh and your mommy just pick your you and your brothers and sisters pitcher schoolteacher. But now she's Mommy. Mommy Mommy and I one one small by the gut two years old neighbor. Mommy and a brother to are you. Are you going to school yet. Joy yes I go to kindergarten. Do you like it you perform in kindergarten too so you not excited about coming on the show tonight. Now tell me How many other? How many of the kids were auditioning for that part that you got you know there are a lot of lot of youngsters? I don't I don't blame you for being confused in Gioia. Hi It's not your fault understand. That is but trump when you came to audition for the show scams where there are a lot of other young people I was. Yeah was the competition very very tough. Yeah who taught you to sing. Well there see my buddy rush faith. He took me out of saying my buddy Mike Right. I mean tap real nice. Yeah thank you along with your sister and brother rather excuse me. You're not you're not your fault you it's mine. Would you like to do a show like this Sunday. Like maybe like. Maybe tomorrow night's sit here and go out in the open and do tell jokes all those big laughs. You heard what what what do you want. Do you want to be already perform. Obviously that's a pretty dumb question for me. Would you like to continue to be a performer. Who Do you? Who Do you like to see? Who's your favorite favorite When you go to motion pictures what do you like to see Gene Kelly is Fred astaire now I don't Okay Okay John Travolta Mickey Mouse the I forget the. He's only been in the business. That seventy eight seventy eight days commercials too. Haven't Ya commercials the pilot. Scams commercials did well. Did you little boy in bed tylenol and a a little wasted hot. Can you tell me truthful. Did you really feel hot when you said that were you had you had acted and I mean we in the commercial when you said. Oh Yeah I had to act. I mean you weren't really hot. Yeah that's what that's good acting. You're welcome when is your birthday. The Twentieth Easterbrook Twenty Inlets Nice. You're going to be six years old. Would you like for your birthday. He had a choice of anything at all. All woodlake a dirt bike dirt bike. A little dangerous isn't it. Would you get for Christmas this year. I'm Aurora teamwork dirt bike. What team America dirt bike dirt bike matchbox cars when I clicked collect what kind of cards matchbox cars? Yeah matches when I was a young man just this joy lawrence who is going to be six April twenty six. I think you said right Twentieth Twentieth. I'm going to have a couple. The President Tornado Twentieth. When we're going to have my party party seventeenth Oh? That's the Party Day. A lot of people coming. What's this show scam APPs about? I mentioned it. Just pilot Gino. The man called ongoing Gazelle and Bob Denver and his wife Dreamer. Well they're on the part and this about this whole bungee kit get into a whole lot of mischief and as as viewing them gives me skyrockets garrick. Sounds like it'd be a lot of fun. Have you ever seen this show before. Well when I was up vomiting and all that stuff we we we like to get him get him sick early and then they can walk where they show you how you were ill one nine real so to get up you between vomit. You kind of look down on the show. Good okay. That's a first another first year. We'll be right back after this after this veteran. Let Me Tell you where Joan will be. Doesn't feel you've never seen her in concert goes to your. He's very funny. She's it'll be with David Brenner. At Bethlehem Pennsylvania Friday April Second Palace Theater in Columbus Ohio on Saturday April third in the Music Hall. Cincinnati Sunday April fourth. And she also finds time. I'm to be the chairperson for the National Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. Would you welcome miss. Joan rivers what you said to me. She's GonNa follow that lane. I mean he's probably a major I'm telling he was darling off Sagely Kissy faced a little kid and talented and six years old on April twenty two years difference and yet and so. What were you doing at that age? Throwing the thing was that online and a half. We give you the stool for your feces. There would. He's here he's tapped it off. All you need now is a dog. That's actors the actors has never like what what happened. Just went back to see how you would do. I before I kept it out there if you're coming out again it's all right now. Let's go back because that's the kind of course of all I have had the worst day of my life. It's just that I'm redoing my bathroom and they installed a bad day. Have you ever tried to use a to me. Classes the woman who can approach day without a shower cap. I don't know what I'm turning into a hot tub for Barbie then. I'm painting the kitchen and I said to the paint painted. The same color is now. He painted a gray. I mean just the worst. I didn't win an academy award. Thank you very much. I wasn't up for but you Coulda to help your thank you next year. The kids doing it and you terrific next year. The kid is going to do the show. Please everything we come down to. The goal is to grab you and Oscar. They're sitting back there. Hundreds of them hoes. It GonNa Her take one home with you. Make a lamp secure they have more security around for those. You can't get near 'em everybody would like a win to ewing's I it just all right Sean. Very wealthy woman asked anything. Good first of all Elizabeth Taylor now is getting married. I'm not invited. The wedding and she lives with my best friend yet. Supposed to know you. Yeah hamlet and piglet. It's just GonNa be cushy Chubby Chubby her blood's blood type is Ragu. It is got my she is. She could moon Europe. This warm and close friend to Eddie. If everybody's man Rod Stewart where I hosted I mentioned about his complexion which is not you come on Johnny. Well thank you can play. Connect the dots. So you better than I do and I've done it very many. That and now Mick Jagger mad because as I said he's got Lipsey French Kiss Moose everybody is getting and then you follow a kid. Hasn't been my day. Good one good thing happens. A relative died a mean. No I had an aunt. The rich and the mean relative aunt fanny. She made them money and exact change. Ambulances I mentioned incite. Give me that she leave you anything. They say. You can't take it with you right. She was wrong you can take. She shaved her for a coach. She got added bed. UNSHAVED mink the day. She died that and swallow not a monologue. So you got nothing must be catching go. Glad we had the kid is a buffer. The people in need really. Why do you think as you get older? You get I I get I not Blah not me older getting older if we're lucky if we're lucky yes but I just want upsets me is like everything I was taught by. My my mother has turned out to be lies. You know what I'm saying. You look at this little boy and you know he's going to grow up and is going to be told I was told her a good girls. There are bad girls. My Jay member those rules then no more rules anymore. A man could sleep around sleep. Remember those rules and nobody's GonNa ask me questions a girl. You May nineteen twenty mistakes. We were going to be late. The Dolphin Heidi a brow tramp craft just named a sprint. After I Komo edits and guys always had kind which I wish I could even even now. I don't have a guy near my my sex life please. Wouldn't I guess by leaning up against the washing machine. I'm telling you. The spin cycle is a very nice commodity. We talk sure how long enjoy whatever Englishman a cold. Englishmen are called please last night he said good night to me and I could see the breath it was. I mean just starting my wedding. Nice He he well. I don't want to you know. Just let's talk about the child. I went to my wedding. He had some men smoke afterwards. He smoked during Jerry had the nerve to ask for a life. I was getting yourself on the dashboard. The Desert Harambee. There's why that's why yeah. I have to mention Columbus and Cincinnati. That's why would I see David Brennan. Saddening Columbus Sunday in Cincinnatti will probably talk about things. I certainly that's why I feel sorry for Lady Diana because she's married to an Englishman. I'm sure she didn't have that greater weight and he's not that good looking looking Prince Charles. You'd think of as as a lover Char. Oh that's when people off those stupid ears come on in the Middle Little Ping Pong himself run from one end of the table the other course. She's nice she's very like her child with with with with lots of check. It was lots of cheap breastfeeds. It'll be Royal Crown Cola you. Oh I know the BOOB job. I'M NOT GONNA make jokes. That's jacket zooms. Everything is go enroll. Today I thought I'd look nights in this. I went to a saleslady. I bought a push up. But you can't see I said what do you think I should get this APP. It should a bottle of cheap wine. The salesperson again boobs shirts. We've talked about this before. It's not that important when a man looks down at Funny Address and complimentary on your shoes off course. Nobody's perfect get hurt. The lady looking at the good side. You're a good mother banker. which is more than I could say? My parents to me you might well. I wasn't wanted and that makes the wanted. My baby carriage was a pinto me. My parents as long as you say. Take Candy from strangers asking more on the car they can. We talk sure. Wasn't they. Send my picture to Roman Polanski. You WanNa who sent a Roman Polanski who who don't know him well he's fine director find directive but he cruises in a school bus. I mean this man. His idea of jail Betas an embryo. They just just telling you I feel as a woman that reason national enquirer Myra yeah you can't do any worse than they get Melissa. I think I'm a good mother. I mean like she's thirteen now and she came. We had a long talk about the facts of life last night which was interesting. Yeah I learned a great deal to say she said to me you know she's GonNa be what's what's it like to have a man desire you passionately and now we're both Julius gotta do. We'll be back with with more slips up. Whatever thank you all right? That's it for me. Thanks so much for listening and don't forget to hit that little subscribe button. We'll see next time on the Johnny Carson Show podcast this is will schreiner signing off.

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Joan Van Ark "What's *Knot* great about this?"

Stephanie Miller's Happy Hour Podcast

54:37 min | 1 year ago

Joan Van Ark "What's *Knot* great about this?"

"One. Regard. Joan van Arcus in my house. In the house are not Lynn. How's everybody? Okay. We've already bonded. We I didn't. That's what I wanted to start recording immediately because we've already bonded in so many ways, I look at you. You're beautiful teeny tiny you were just like a little tiny actress honeybee just. Honey is that you're buzzed? Yeah. Absolutely. You're not drinking. But you just had a little drop of Essen. My daughter said mom, do you know that is just once molecule away from Alabama hall navy? I'm doing my own thing. Honey wine. Let's use that backstage. That's your little. Yeah. At my security blanket. And is that all you Ingrid? No. It's been Anna's peanut butter, and I gave it up for lent, strong, Joan van ark. Aren't you really need a banana on the video cast? I will make me so much money. And if you love me, you will do that. I do love you, and I will do that. And you maybe not immediately. I'm going to save it. Met you at Donna mills Christmas, not to namedrop. But an I just 'cause I love you. And I we just bonded and first of all I was saying I was like how. You people are all just because Donna mills happy. You're just you're way prettier than normal. Humans like, you could tell Aaron spelling people you're like all of that must be a right shirt, Dallas knots landing. Yeah. Right. All those this palace, by the way that all started before I went to not slant who were valuing alley. News, the Dallas, and well, she was actually from Tennessee, Chris Chris left for three years, and then came back, and so we I made him get him. I shower naked and do a scene where he gets out of the shower morning. Yes. And I was like. Looks. Okay. Maybe not people our age that references so fresh. I was like he's doing it. No show. I love him though. Patrick duffy. He is the best without a doubt. Okay. I so many I don't even know where to start anyway, Donna mills, it is interesting to that a lot of people that play vicious horrible bitches are the nicest world, that's true. Donna is the most grounded even unbelievably professional all of it. And then she plays the bitch. Right. Right. I just I hate it for that. No. She does the best Christmas parties first of all everybody's there. Yeah. I felt like I was the ugly person in the air spelling with that talk about tiny and perfect and felt in all of it. Here's here's what you gonna find me. My future wife Joan van ark. I will. She goes, what's your sinus Lieber, she said oh gem manner because she's Gemini she goes, Jim. And I'm and I'm like, Honey. So I don't need a gym you need girl offense. You will find you tell you gotta give me the specs. We'll do it after the show. Give me the specs. I'll find not a dog. I wanna die. No. You almost kidnap both of my dogs. I wanted to because Lafi and hug -able. Yeah. And we had to put our golden down about a year ago. And we've been looking and looking and yeah, just hasn't happened. We have a deal. I will get you a dog if I. Bitches? You're funny. I did not know this about you your Hertie areas. Stop talking until we turn on the okay, speaking, cuddly and adorable. Your husband bind, you who is cancer and rock-solid he and Donna should go off into the sunset. You just told me he had cancer. Now kids are okay. Okay. John down astrology, she. So that kind of zippy way, that's. That's her. I tell you that was so terms of endearment is our, mommy, dearest. No, he's too. It's one month to the day. I'm June sixteen just Gemini. Yeah. July sixteen. Yeah. No Polian and his wife, whatever. Her name was. Wow. Good. Chris. You know when shit. Points. Good maybe later, but no Josephine they were the same way one month to the day award. So we're high school sweethearts so boring on so, yeah, no, I was saying a lot of my ex's urge. But and they say libra Gemini Aquarius. Like our air signs are the most air. That's it. And that's why I run I don't run now as walking walk jogging, I need air. And it's my glass of wine to go every evening after I've done the Joan van I do show really way you run to know. I trick wine hike you hike, and I walk. I can walk everyday. Well, you're in a beautiful place here to do this. Yes. Thank you. Perfect. What did you say the Joan van ark show? What are we talking about? That's what my husband calls every minutia boring horrific layered unbelievably obsessive thing that I do. It's the Joan van ark show. So and yet, here's the funny thing, you're one of those you've played like. You had how many husbands on Dallas? Have one in real life. Yeah. I have one been married since as I had eight husbands on more than Donna. Abby. A whore just say I love every second. It was wonderful depend on what season. Oh, she's. Oh. That you're always poor Val. How I know that was it. Until the central Val. No, you're supposed to swear on this show. Listen, if you're not going to drink or talk, politics or talk shit about Trump, you need to swear swear a lot ready. Okay. I'm there. I'm there. Donna, michelle. And I actually have been working on trying to do. I it was reality. We're not done yet. But now, yes. Cayenne OT on not done yet. And then we've also been pitched a scripted show, which we it's called was and it's really kind of a not a send up but a parallel on Charlie's angels. God. And he's called a calling. It ravens, Dan or something like that. He's road. Right. Ravens stand. But we're trying to put something like because I think the three of us, and it is absolutely true. We are not done yet. I'm sure you would go there when you say Donna mills Christmas party. This woman is flawless. I always want smacker. I was my friend invited me. She's her friend. I was like, oh, I am. So in there's nothing about that setting. You just said, and it's everything think it'd be a hallmark card. It is the food all of atmos- perfect was in an area spelling miniseries. Art one hundred percent, right. The house is exactly that. It's whatever was hobbled Joan in the front and the little paths up. I know it's too much. You'll make using the all made like a zillion dollars. Right. Well, we kinda did because it lasted New Year's off landing. It was more than that. It was fourteen total. Okay. And I left and ran away to do a pilot to comedy with Chris Maloney. Then came back for the very. Last season. But it just it went forever, which is quite a miniseries back to the cul de sac. Yes, you're missing. Got it going on. Indeed does. I'm gonna firmness. But anyway, but I know I okay. But the and you said Michelle, so we should people know you mean, Michelle Lee who is your real. You're very good friend on the series and in real life. Totally one hundred percent all three of us because I don't know when you spent fourteen seasons together sharing funerals, weddings. You mean fake ones? Real. Real John is a cancer does not have cancer and sharing real. We were sharing real life altering incidents both on and off camera. I remember when Michelle split with Jimmy tarintino who since has has God bless him. God, rusty soul. She called me. And said you have to pick me up today. I can't I can't drive out there. I can't she was so upset I mean, there's just so many layers that we've shared an moments, and so we we're joined at the hip. Yeah. Until we hit forest lawn. Okay. I told you when you walked in. I just wanna do a whole show on you. Giving me beauty tips. What first of all? 'cause I know people are going to wanna know, how do you stay that thin? How do you look so amazing? Well, first of all that the, and I know that and that's may be another discussion, but for me or lie handed porcelain figure. Well, here's the thing though. I have to my husband puts it you have to break a sweat every day. Well, I can do that on the set with flop sweat, right? But but in life, I do need the run. I have a lot of either energy or mental energy, or whatever it is an I need to level out. Right. And I do my best thinking on the run. I solve things that I can't otherwise deal with during the day. And somehow I I see the way out by doing the miles. And I do tend to twelve I've done fourteen marathons including Boston while which you have to qualify for you for women. You have to do with three and a half while fire which I did out here. It was. An exciting adventure. You walk over the starting line Qazir a bazillion runners. And when the goes off your way back probably go Hollywood actresses in. You know, it's like you because you do the work. I mean, 'cause you you know, you don't look like that by accident. No. Here's the thing. I think you have to buy mantra is you have to do the best and be an look the best. I have to there are two areas. That's Aaron spelling as I age. That's not a great fun thing. It's exhausting me. And you know, I need to go lie down with a coal towel. Because it just gets. My dog. No, if you had a he's concerned for our democracy, but that's not important now. We're gonna talk right. Just go ahead. Right. I'm with the dog what? Why? A little hot. By the way, charge a little judgy back there. I mean, I love him. And he's handsome and get the whole thing. I get the animal magnetism. But he was like, you know, I go for run or whatever that I have a drink. I'm like what John I get fucking three o'clock. So you know, what it's cocktail for me. That's bed. That's. Maybe he's going to join your may goes to bed at three o'clock. No Joan does. Oh Jones terrible. Because it's quiet and I owned now he's eating your pretzels. He's very should parties trained. Go home till I love it. No. This is home here. I love it. Very only. No, really. It's the real deal for sure so running every day. Wow. I need it too. Crazy. I used to run I I hike now and walk and do whatever doing whatever you're doing you. It's right. It's okay. There's something I my joints are too old. But you're look at you. You're wait a minute. You did a guest star on million dollar on the six million dollar man you stole some bionic. Joan van ark. Delighted me Noonan annoys him by onyx ongoing stuff in your arm. I know where did you get that I-? He pulls back thing and shows his arms with all the wiring. I said, ooh, where did you get that? You know? I remember. So it turned out to be gay. I had the biggest crush on Lee majors. I thought I was gonna merrily majors also Chad Everett and medical center, which you also that one. And he was mean to me because. Yes. But here's here's what what because he is gorgeous. And I loved every minute of that of looking at him. But they suddenly changed elastic and entire scene, and they handed me the pages saying, hey, we're chained in and he screamed and yellow. Oh with your. We're going to do it. We're gonna change it. And that just I I just completely locked, thanks. Well, you know, what you just made me gayer. Thanks. Not you know, what I still have my Chad Everett now, she's snow. No Lee majors Chad Everett. You're right. Good choices. If you're going to go that route fictional relationships this fictional men. Okay. Well, I go with it. I buy. Hold that thought. Joan. I this is so exciting this happy or I need to go take a little nap. And my casper mattress. Oh, the most comfortable bed ever it. Right. You've had one for years. Jody Hamilton finally just got one. Yup. Carlos is rocky is had one for years everyone's getting one because why warmer weather's finally here time for spring cleaning. You could spend time sprucing up house in yard. But if you really wanna I parts spart start. Yes. 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Casper dot com. The code is Miller and get one hundred dollars toward the purchase of select mattresses. Additional fees may apply for Alaska and white terms and conditions apply. Now back to you Joan. But you know, it's so interesting. We joke around about, you know. Aaron spelling pretty people. What it was he had that was at the party was in the creator of air spelling lessons there. No, he wasn't there. No, not him. But I'm sorry. Who was there that one of the executive producers who was done mills party? Well, I don't think it wasn't definitely wasn't Aaron spelling. Maybe maybe it was the one that did the movie she did with Jennifer Lawrence was anyway. But what I was saying, Jack. Oh, that's another discussion. What's happening? Okay. He's something. Oh, my dog is another the scene from airplane. Like, I'm looking at you in behind me, my dogs on being your husband. I apologize. Og, Stu love him. Yes. I have to say that my dog is going vow on your husband apologize now. Laurie. What was I saying? Oh, no. But you know, I the formula first of all look people do like to watch really pretty people. But here's the other thing. Not in your more. See, I think that's changing. Right. But what I'm saying is it is interesting because I told you politics in the eighties, right? Like, my dad ran with I voted for Reagan. I was a dumb you ac- kit. I didn't have voted husband to steal my eyes floors. So you dad that particular I vote different depending, you know. No, I, but what I'm saying is like it's interesting because you're saying like, you're from an era where people you don't talk politics, right? Where you're like. All you hear and see and breathe, right? Is different than the eighty like L title. Like Reagan seems like a nice guy. I didn't I was twenty one when I voted for I didn't. But I thought I associate that whole era right Dallas knots landing like right, though. It's perfect. You know, you have to be perfect in that it couldn't be more different. Now by it's in fact, the more imperfect would Patricia Arquette has just done a movie, which I'm dying to see I think it's called act. She's a moon chalices syndrome. You know who? Yes. And and the thing is she's right? I Dordogne that she says she's got the scruffy old wig on and she's disappearing into it. That's what an actress does in in trying to be perfect where read like Nancy Reagan on my God. That was that era and dynasty and Aaron jailing and all of that perfection. Perfection perfection. But now it's about real and kinda risky and edgy and rally show stars. Yeah. And everything you do far belch. It's it's everywhere. Yeah. I know. I know what about the Kardashian? Don't even get me. But you're right. This is how we got here to Donald Trump. Sorry, I'm talking. You're not talking about exam is that you're right. It's just it's it's the fame and the just, you know, anybody that's famous or a reality show star. I you know, it's weird. I was never a fan of reality shows from day one made them I never watched them. Well, as an actress, I'm not a fan because it's not scripted in. It's just whatever happens you. Oh. Oh into the bathroom. Yeah. I don't know. I don't use my point. I was trying to get to complement, and I weighed myself, but it was not just that you were pretty people who really great actors. I mean, you look at your background Broadway. Tony Tony award. Stage experience that that's the other thing is you were great actors, your just pretty the great storylines. It was CNN you think of it as it was fun and fluffy. And they're were also pretty offensively. Right. But I mean well in a way fantasy, but Chris feels like in some ways Dallas was more fantasy because it was wealthy in know, furs and diamonds dripping and all of that. And not was was much more. Why overs it was more fly over forgive me? But it was more that so in contrast, but the soaps by nature are kind of fantasy buckles bubbles going. So that does give it kind of pastel thing. But not was more real than Dallas. Yeah. I mean, okay. What my point is good. God. I've totally forgotten some of this Broadway debut in barefoot in the park. Tony award for school for wives on Broadway. We had. Oh, God morpheus Sean helped me Fishburne Laurence Fishburne in homeland. We're talking about, but the same thing with you think of it as a fluffy eighties pretty people series or you think of it as these comic book or whatever kinda series action. There's great actors. That's what makes them great fish birds at great actor. They also they don't get, you know, it's not like they're crappy actors because oh, this is a big, you know, like just bubblegum kinda whatever. Right. No it. Absolutely. That's the the tissue in the DNA of the actor that comes into some of the more frothy shows, but the truth is they can execute. What the writer gives them on the page and make you believe every single word of it. And that's what the Laurence Fishburne actors or Michelle Lee, who's also incredibly Broadway. But I I agree and Larry Hagman. God bless him. He was he was the bomb. I was another crush. I drew genie. Oh that. Yes. Well, that was his warm up though. Because look what I mean they are in Dallas for him. I don't know how many years it was. And now, it's the medical show. I'm going up on the name that that's going like eighteen or nineteen years Ellen Ochoa pay a graze. Yeah. Many years is that run on when something survived that long. It's just been nominal upset Oli phenomenal. Yeah. So ari. I don't even know where to also you wanna daytime EMMY for hosting tournament of the roses out here. Right. Well, that that I don't know if the daytime EMMY, it was soap, I think that that I was not young and restless, I did ready agreed days pedia was ever wrong. What is this for the president host of tournament of roses? Maybe there's well-made. This is a good day. I need that. I want to hear about that. I wanna read about that one thing that did happen. Just last week that I'm kind of through about the New York Times, crossword puzzle. My cousin saw it had a picture of him. Doing the crossword puzzle in the newspaper. I think it's big time because I was born in New York City. It's time to me if anything I say, oh, that's so New York. And if I don't like it, I say and forgive me Encino. But I say, oh, that's so Encino. That's so Tustin. You know, bad. I don't like to put anybody down though, want everyone. Did love me. Yes. Let the truth is anything New York to me is. And that's Broadway. Sure. Yeah. That's the real deal. That's the super test. That's there's no faking there you really have to go balls to the wall. Yeah. Which is also a runner saying. Yeah. No. It's a runners term. Well, right. And you were born in New York City, right? Like you were born to a madman an advertising VR guy. Exact that. Okay. Yes. Indeed. And my mother was a writer. Yeah. My sis- ill is both riders three siblings. So we and then you moved to boulder boulder. What a why? Running from law. No, yes. My father was in trouble. No, he was in Denver to do some he wrote for time and life magazine, and he was doing an assignment or a project in Denver. And somehow for some reason drove from Denver to boulder and got out on this hilltop. Which is where our house was built. He got out. And there were no houses on the hilltop. And he looked around. And there was one hundred eighty degree half of the three sixty view Pike's peak on one side and Cheyenne, Wyoming on the other side and all Rocky Mountain vista there. And he got out, and he said, this is where I wanna raise my family and enough went back to west nyc New York where I grew up until age seven, and we hacked everything up and moved out to Colorado state in a house while our house was being built. And even now there it is on the hilltop are comb stead. Yeah. Did you? Did you love it? I loved it. I rode horseback, which I know is by. Running pill because they're solitude riding horseback. I need to go running with you. I need to know. So you were you were runner and now you high. Well, I yeah. I mean, I've always run a little and hike because my daughter lives right near here. And she likes get your dog Gimmie wife to run to hike. We're going to this is. So is this is this is heaven. Are. I just okay. I love the arcs of your life at age fifteen is a student reporter, you met and interviewed. Actress Julie Harris who lake literate commended you to the Yale school of drama, and then Harris later appeared on knots landing at your mom. Do you believe that? So that was my lily Tomlin lily Tomlin got my first agent. She I interviewed her is a baby radio DJ. She got my first agent ICM. She's been my sort of mentioned of pheno. I know she's just love I love because I feel like we're in this whole era of the sisterhood between me too. And the women's March fierce new female congress empowerment, I just thought like those are the stories, right? Where I know that she helped you and then like, right? Yes. A continuation and a continuum of of female energy goes and goes from one to the other. I think it's amazing. What's happening? Now. I'm wondering now because you are so politically savvy s you think our next president might be a. Yes. You do. I hope and pray because one just got fucked out of it that rightfully one. But let's not go there to talk about politics. I john. Careful careful. No, I have a ninety six year old FOX watching Trump voting Republican mom, she still think my dad's been gone since eighty three and she thinks he loved Trump. And I'm like, I know he would hate everything he stands for my dad was a prosecutor at Nuremberg, and he he would him saying like they're very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville with Nazis there. I'm like, no, he's okay. Sorry. John. I won't these disgrace. He's a disgusting. Pig. Trader of a man. All right. I didn't say that you say that I echo. Who said that? Okay. I didn't say that. No, not at all not at all. Not all right. But no, what was my point. Now, I've gotten off my boy, I know, but just that it's interesting just politics when you it was it really just was different to in the eighties and the whole way can ehre, and it wasn't everybody's business. Now is everybody's business. That's an rather than that. It's like the I'm not gonna say name where Jesse smollet. What I mean? Why don't know? I don't know yet. Can't that is talk about layered situation feel like one black gets away with something. It's probably and we just something. Okay. That's maybe we should talk politics. Instead, I sit a lot of white guys John. I'm not saying that anybody would take a lot of stuff that one John loves me. I can tell no listen. He does what he at the party at Donna's guests and on the way home. I'll he did talk about he'd loves he listened to you on the radio. And he said was it KFI where were you on the radio s KFI an KABC? I've been. From everywhere on could have heard me almost any he'd love to he listened to you all thinking, John you have great taste in women. Have I mentioned that we're going to bring you fully to the light the light wing amid to the law. But no he did. No, I totally bonded with both of you. I was like what a delightful smart. Just interesting funny. Couple like, and I just love that you've been together since nineteen sixty nineteenth. Well, fourteen don't let's not do that fake out with numbers. Because basically, I'm an idiot, but numbers like how much you weigh? How old are you Seventy-nine that? No not. And you have a beautiful, right? Avoid this model. Singer nessa is just wars ING you guys would have such beautiful daughter. Well, she inherited all his yes, it is shock. She has all his microphone kind of thing because she's done. Can you move your head John I've been a fan of your's ever since you were can NBC handsome man's reporter. Okay. All right. All of this is too good. It's true. I wanna know I could have music behind. I love it. When I see John just wafting. We're going to go on vacation together me and my future wife that you're going to find to find on boy loved his Cayenne BC. Okay. All right. Go ahead. Okay. I will John Vanessa is guardians of the galaxy playing Zoe. Zoe Saldana part in guardians of the galaxy Star Wars rebels. There's like two or three pilots they are some sort of an offshoot of Star Wars. She goes to all these Comecon things and the autograph shows and all that stuff because animation. It's a whole new. Yeah. I'm actually going to do my first one like that marvel marvel is the one she worked for Disney on one. I think it wasn't and marvel for the other so mom doesn't which is wit. But she's and she has set up not as elaborate is this amazing space. I'm in right now. But she has yes, very. She has a whole set up does everything from the house. It's just amazing task. I should go over and record with her. Yes, please. Let's do that to wait. You can meet her. I would love to she straightened ARL. Yes, listen. I'm sure she is I'm keeping the family. It would. No, it'd be beautiful, and then we can all drink wine. Like, we'll just take a story and maybe from the same bottle, John and I will just sweating sweating and sweating right lurks. Slurping sweating and slurping. I'm doing an animation tomorrow tell me because you're playing a do the voice because you're already will. I wanted my ill additions was kind to wanted to she's from New York, and they said upstate New York. And I just I didn't really know Amy buffalo wait that far upstate buffalo. Yeah. I think says you gotta get a flat Ailey cheektowaga and Tanta window. What town Lackawanna tell tell me give me the from port up to transit from cheektowaga, a one and ten window. So a sentence like the flay lady, it's very. Hits. I did a Florida. Be here. Okay. If you're not going to video cuff, you just need to do it. Just get the video cast support the show. It's about as flat as it can get my mother said if I had breast cancer I'd throw away the. Throw away the breast and keep the lump because it would be bigger. I know that's not funny. Jack doesn't have pants mom. Louise van ark is. Oh, I am dodge Negga, Norwegian Princess. No. No. But I'll tell you Joan van ark. By the way. Yes, what it is Joan of arc in Dutch. In dutch. What? So when I heard a moment of John criers where he came in with what did he have on a superman or we just had on two weeks? I was listening. Right. Yeah. So I wanted I thought maybe I should wear. My jacket has flirter leak is everything the house in our house Hasler league, Joan of art Joan van ark. My father always said I wanted my first daughter Joan, so the so it looked good in lights, and I did barefoot in the park in London. Yeah. And on the marquee was Joan van ark in barefoot in the park. And I got a photo of it which I have in my office. But my dad sadly had passed away. So he didn't ever see that. But exciting though. Yeah, here's really magically full circle. Gem flirts Lee story. This is why we were meant to be best friends and go on vacation together for the rest of our lives. Okay. Because my longest term ex. No, I know her Gemini smoking hot heat, if it were still France, anyway, she group of partially here and partially in Israel. She was tank she was a runway model in Europe and a tank instructor in Israel army. You know, as you do what's her name Puron show? But what is her? Shop not is not not guilt. It's not wonder woman. Okay. But anyway, she had flirted lease a tattoo on I don't know. I'm working somewhere. Anyway. But you know, where she got it. She got drunk when she was growing up in a Tel Aviv, and they went to the Palestinian side and she s for flirt Elise. And I was like I don't think that looks like a flirt at least I think that looks like all Jews die. I don't know. She said that she knew what she was like, I don't think I don't know. I think that she was drunk and didn't know too. It was too late. Right. Not until right drunken teenager. Even. She went to the that. It was where it was not that many people would see it. Right. Would they are what they need to wait. Let's look at all of the threads of your life. You also appeared. Okay. In an episode of wonder woman, all other gigantic. Carter has been on the show a few times right with Ted Shackelford who became of course. Your husband, Harry, Ewing. I mean, seriously all the beauty unbelievably pretty people in Hollywood, you just right? They can they connect and interconnect almost saw them all at Donna's party one thing. It's a round us. Oh god. There's there's Honey Celica was she there. Startlingly beautiful very startling. They beautiful. Yeah. But Ted Ted an idea wonder woman, just a few months before they wanted to do the pilot of knots landing and they saw a lot of guys because I did Dallas with an actor named David ackroyd, and he was unavailable shooting along a miniseries hersal and couldn't do the part, and they wanted CBS needed to shoot the pilot. So they made a ton of guys to play Gary Ewing, and they call me said Joan we really kind of like this guy named Ted Shackelford. And we understand you just worked with him. What do you think? I said oh my God. No, no way to alike. We're both crazy were both. He's not Gemini. Yes. Actually, he is. So we're nuts. I said we're too much alike. It would never work, and I go to the week later to the table read and who's across from me, but Ted show how much did they care about what Joan? Yeah. What what do you care? What do you think that didn't work? This is going to be a stupid general weird question. But I want to know what was it like to work on those kind of series in that kind of era that they were just because you're over television. Because now like you were saying, Chris, so many niches, and that's that's on this. Channels everybody in the country. Allison don's landing. That's because I did Estee Lauder during all those years. It was like twelve years of doing voiceover. Estee Lauder lips as I you can look like in van ark. This lips if you fucking with you. But go ahead and buy buy anyway at nordstrom's for much more for less, but I was doing both China's some genetics and also run seventy five miles day. Good luck with your fucking lipstick. I guess is you because you'll never make it with stay Lauder. You have to run seventy five miles to. But I I did both jobs. It was schizophrenic. Jack is the reason that I even agreed to the Estee Lauder because I love it that I got the got the voice over gate ahead of Brenda Vaccaro, whose no slouch with an incredible voice. An incredible town always sounded to me like she was a smoking the temp on she was selling. I know she. Car. We're not number one. But we're up there ride and exotic. All right. Finally, but Brenda and I see her at parties, and I'm like, oh, dear. But it was a great job for twelve years. But we couldn't record until I told Estee Lauder, and they put me up at the plaza incredible per diem always by new pair of boots at Bengals downstairs. Bottom line is they would question for every detail on Dallas and knots landing that was upcoming. They had to hear the scoop. What's what's going to happen? What's next, and I would have to go through all that. But then it was too solid days of recording. I the thirties than the sixties then the tags all the stores across the country. But isn't it interesting? Now, it's like when the mullahs report the back, then it was like who shot JR, right? Who the fuck shot? Completely fictional. He was in London. And he was strategy wise. Larry Hagman he played that. So, of course, Leded. Yes, so correctly, but it is different. And you know, I I have to turn off the I was watching news because my that's my husband's whole life. Yeah. And I would always listen to KNX or the OJ trial kind of got me on everything all things news besides jet jackass career. So no, I can't do that. I'm listening to k I s all the rock, I heart radio. I'm listening to all that. Because I don't want to commit suicide. We have I I listened to all the buzz in the U here. Barbara Bush blamed her heart attack on Trump. No, Trump for everything. But it's true. There is a lot these may mean, but there is a lot because he's given permission. I'm not saying, you know, if I made a confession. It would just I don't know. I've Chris I'm sorry. Shawn. Take out your Oregon just in case to harden. Pardon me. Okay. Beg your pardon. Go ahead. Yes. Okay. I better not. Have some more Honey? No. No, I have to. So it's so bad and dangerous. No, maybe toward the end. Just when I know we're going off the air, and I'm out of out of the house. Okay. All right. All right. All right politics. What you're right. It's like how can you not be now? There is no disconnect. But I can't this is my job. And so I know psychologists that you have to. Meanness? And it's what I was going to say is that Trump. No not. That's not my confession. But played anyway, 'cause I can confess on this Trump does give permission to everybody to just no filter base. Awful as you want to be as sexist misogynistic, something violence as you want to that's wrong. That's wrong as a not a leader. But a I happen to have this handy. The mail bomber mentioned Trump synagogue shooter mentioned Trump, the coastguard white supremacist mentioned Trump that New Zealand terrorist mentioned Trump if only we can identify pattern is that rut back true. It is you see, you know, who I want when you mentioned new-zealand, I want that I want that has a husband said a baby, but he's just trying to be a fucking because logger buzzkill when he tells me that because I listened chills because good. Say someone's straight. There's the woman I wish I will say this on the air. I wish that woman whose name I don't know that I could if I remember. And if I remember something, and maybe it is. Let me Miller. This. Okay. Prime minister Stephanie the partner that the. He's a he's a inconvenience. But this woman it she must come airfare. Through her husband Val while through. Lean if you sweep e which is what Julie called me Juilliard, but this woman is capable ship. We need. She is succinct. She's artesia youthful. She's wonderful hugging. People and talking to people wearing. And doing a Muslim call to prayer and banning automatic weapons in six days, no political parties and meetings and gatherings, and she just leads and she clean and positive. I don't want to say positive, but just it's succinct forgotten. What a leader look-a-like. Yes. She is a standing going because but we had that with Obama, and you saw him cry for sandy hook. You don't have gotten to be friends with Fred Gutenberg who lost his daughter at parkland lost his daughter, Jamie and. I just don't you seen this to parkland kids committed suicide one Newtown dad just committed suicide this week. You cannot imagine you can you imagine Gutenberg. You know, he talked about the air. Fifteen can you imagine getting your mind running semi daughters spine was severed by air fifteen? I mean. That's why you can't listen to the news now because if it isn't political it's things like that that the it's in the air that I it's it's very. I can't wait. Now, I'm going to run out the door because that's why I run running just takes away. The maybe the word is exiled positioning Zayed's in a way, and I hope to God literally that this next time around that there is something or someone because right now, there's what how many candidates Twenty-one is it twenty. That it's in the twenties. It's a lot. Yeah. So I don't know just mind boggling, but you know, there is something Joan what this we're talking about that you and Michelle Lee have and Donna mills that I was saying today, this extraordinary Amy klobuchar just tweeted a link to camera harasses op Ed about teacher salary how to how to fix teacher pay. And she said, here's a great idea from comma Harris running for president. Here's a great idea. Now, that's this out. What comal? Beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah. And that's also in the right place because the young I mean, if you don't empower that what's generation rhyming up AO, see who I think is founding, and and you know, she they all have each other's back when you know, Rashida to lead took shit like Bronx Detroit ride together got your back on that is beautiful sisterhood. Ansi Pelosi, Maxine Waters mentoring. These fierce young women that I don't know. How old your daughter is? But. The generations going to save us. Hopefully, nobody it always is that it's who's coming up. Now, you want to empower them, you know, they always say, what's the most important thing. You can give your child. I think it's confidence Jack is a master at that taking care of an Esa when I'm busy doing my makeup and trying to go back east to do some Mickey Mouse anything Jack has been a part of that. It's very much empower them and give them confidence and make them. No, you know, the fearlessness and speaking of that could be questioning for someone like, Jack, I'm saying I question, I mean, maybe what you know what? Chris maybe. Jack. What do you think about the college of the admissions? See I love Felicity hoop Huffman. I. Okay. Let's that power. Just the nessa went to Princeton on her own power are our daughter, but I Don. Use of my mother's name. Actually, that's my mother's name is Dorothy van Mark they called her dotty. But she did. In fact, go to prison, but but but is now now I've lost track. But but but the the layered thing of the college admissions, I I understand what a busy mother like Felicity or maybe Lori. Yeah. I know. But that's all it. That's very layered too. Because you always want the best for Europe but daughter, but is in fact, true, the old fashioned way is the way to do that. And you can't cut corners. It sounds like you and jacker like that. You know, you guys do the work do the work in my father did to my father dad was a janitor. But he went to Notre Dame on his own power. And I got into UC on my own power get into Stanford and Notre Dame. And you're right. There is something it doesn't have to do with, you know, black or white or rich or poor whatever. Basically, fairness we all have. One of us played by the rules by the rules. Pay the dues and do the homework. See it's the homework Mark favor for your kids to get them into somewhere. They're not qualified for by cheating. Well, I'm wondering what is shown on everything in his whole life. Sorry. You're not saying that I am by cheating. We are teaching our children that it's okay to cheat at everything in your life, including election to get if you do that. But I also think some of the DNA for him is Brooklyn queens, a there's a bit of that street. Now, there's something St. street not not filter because if he's up at three which I can relate to the thing and doing the tweets and the things I don't think he's a think things are just firing out like bullets, and there has to be some I don't know some thinking power behind it. But here we go that would require a brain. Okay. See I dragged her into it. Okay. Can I just let me just try to calm down a minute. Because I already was so excited you were coming. I love you so much. Much. And then you get the note, no politics. We're ready for that. We're doing valley of the dolls. All star benefit reading at LA's LGBT center may third and fourth. I have to be there. I I'm already there. I'm gonna go go make sure I get a seat. Now. It's only March who's playing mealy. Okay. Okay. My Bruce Vallance. No, no, no Wilson Cruz who just did the happy hour. No, I'm selling all the all the guys like Alec MAPA, and Bruce blanche, and Greg Louganis is in okay. Joely Fisher, first of all there's one decree. Stephanie Miller happy hour separation because Wilson Cruz was just here. He's playing Neely. I do a teaser. Yes. All com. Okay. So hang on a second. Joely Fisher is the narrator you have to get her your booking her for us. Mokgathle was just here as Bellamy. Greg Lou gayness, Tony polar? He was just here. Lorraine Newman you have to get us her. We haven't had her yet. Also, narrated Shirley Ralph. I just met her you need to get us her as Helen Lawson. Oh, Joan van. Loss of production. And that's me Helen Lawson frus- Falange as Jennifer, okay? Okay. Okay. Mersa Jared Winokur as misdiagnosed. I can't we play. This is an all star cast. Saying are you can get tickets but going to hang onto Andersen. Our favorite drop ever for Stephanie Miller is ju- out of Hollywood. So you can crawling back to way, we'll roadway doesn't go in dope. Get outta my way without going to man week for me. Bye. That was how. Rebellion results the train with Swiss. Oh. Bruce blanche loose reliance for sure would what get on train with me. Okay. It's WWW dolls valley dot com. So that's d l L S valley. V A L L E Y one word WWW dolls valley dot com for tickets. All right. And we're having all of these people that we have already had on because you're gonna stop joely Fisher getting us. Okay. Lorraine Newman, Sheryl Lee Ralph this is you got to put a little stars the ones Maria. Jarrett winokur. I can't wait to how do I how do I explain where do I how explain how excited I this? I don't. Okay, you are. So speaking my language valley of the dolls. It's. Number returned valley of the dolls all God. And Patty Duke was in the first or. Neely? That's oh, I think that's Bruce. But oh, no. You said Wilson Wilson rose Neely, but also it's in tuxes and evening count. And I'm playing Lee grant, I'm sort of debating, whether I would get these because I want to look away a certain, and maybe the blunt Kuttan, I want I want to get the glasses with the rhinestones on it, which isn't grant. But I wanna do my of right? Sure. Yeah. Kind of thing. Yeah. That's it. And sooner than later, you know, it's just I think it's going to be unreal. And they they think tickets will go quickly people here this. They're probably gone, but we're going their thing you netting a matinee on Saturday because it's Friday night. Amazed third and fourth LGBT centers, Ren Burgtheater. That's right. And it's on what is it? We'll take. You don't worry about this. You just worry about your wig, and your fucking whatever you do rhinestone lessons. Right. Yes. Ganz's in it. Jim. Well, he's going to look, you know, cut in his was just a huge splash on the half hour. See what I did there? I'm such. Right. There you go. Perfect dive perfect. I talked to him about because I met him at a of some kind of thing on rodeo at ju restore was doing a special something cocktail party. And I said I think of him as in the Olympics taking it's the rep for an actor before the died. I said I would watch him because he was so focused. It's one two three four steps bounce bounce perfection. He showed me more than anything in the world. And he said you have to do imaging or something is some word that I didn't understand shrink talk may be. I don't know. But I think he's right. It is a it's an image and a focus, but he showed me that more than any because I love athletics. It shows you how to be good actor. Yeah. Isn't that a weird full circle the conversation? We had with him. No, no. But talk about the hysteria in the eighties when he hit his head. And there was blood in the pool it were frayed about as but look at was Linda Evans, right who kissed oh a rock Hudson Hudson. Yes. In the was this hysteria and God bless angels. Like, Elizabeth Taylor. That's not yet when it was not popular yet been career ending to to support to support. That's the whole that's kind of a little bit of the vibe there's but that is very true. It's what in what you believe in. What you stand for? But see I wanna do Elizabeth Taylor in a short going to the abbey. Yes. Yes. And I want rupaul because I wanted to be a contemporary driving mistake where an to have as a partner of friend and have them walking down the street of West Hollywood, I see the walkway at the end of this short. And there's a line and driving miss daisy. You know, what Hogue you may be the best friend. I have which is the mistake says. Yeah. To him I want that. But and I wanna get rupaul to to that. And do this kind of partner to characters we happen to have a very good friend that works at race. Rupaul my Honey holder, and they call this a cozy did rupaul drag race that was one of the judges. Yes. And they got me because he knew I needed the Honey they got me the Honey and this too cozy, and it's just a little sock to put on their on. Never. Yeah. They had a lot of socks, I guess. But. Precious little tiny actress honeybee, injure, just not. And now you in a Jack of told me about all the nuts crazy knots landing in Lauder money. I'm just saying you're not only gonna find me my wife, you're going to pay for the vacation together because your dog. And I think that's a fair that would trade. Yeah. Signed, but he has to be two or three years old. Okay. Male first choice, but mayo mail. No, it doesn't matter. Doc. You know, what it is? Entity in your recipe choice fluidity. Yeah. And in the decision, but the fact is it's you always know to see dogs is these two I line. Oh, the moment the Seoul. But it's in. Yes. And look at this. I want to be the person my dog thinks I am. Oh, you're the things you have Jack has what's the thing behind the desk? Jack that that you had because a semi about going to have an all the best things up there in heaven, not people but dog house is not a home without a dog. I used that went outside. I have. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. And now Jack has made me fluid in terms of my future spouse choice book good that whatever we come up with. You know, it's. To be your choice mortgage board. If you will whoever changes my bed pan. Okay. Listen, Joan van ark. You are. I you are everything. In more. We expected you are at the value. The goal balls thing is just sent me. Into the. Did I lose my shit? When she told me this silly learning a diaper, just yes. Like I've been for ten mile run with you after eating seaweed. I listen Joan van ark. You were fantastic. How do we what do we do? Do. We follow you on Twitter on the no I've got to do that. I know they don't. Joan van ark down dot com. I have my Shakespeare that I just is Joan van ark dot com. Perfect and everything. Oh, you get closer. Yes. And I will bring you or try to bring you your. Thank you choice of wonderful talented, amazingly funny, people doing valley of the dolls on may, what did you tell me three and four may. Yes, we will bring meal. So my future wife an hour. It's a package deal on the website is dolls valley dot com. All right. Joan van. What's not in great about this? Cayenne, not you not. What what's not great, not not? Not we love you. Joan Ben are happy happy hour. Thank you. It's been the happiest hour. In the year.

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Joan Lunden

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Joan Lunden

"Thanks for listening to Dr Drew. Podcast on podcast one. This is house Kim with Kim Zone. I'm so excited. So thank you so much for tuning into this episode of House of Kim. We are number one right now. Just keep going and going and going and going for my glass of wine at this point guys that gave me a really bad headaches. All good. It's okay to subscribe to house Kim Apple podcasts. And podcast one so you don't miss an episode. Don't be Tony for whatever one mineral you should be worried about. Not Getting enough of that is magnesium and remember. I told you before I have a fellow back. In the day he used to pound me but the importance of magnesium. It's the bodies master mineral over three hundred critical reactions and the two problems magnesium has been largely missing from the US soil since the nineteen fifties. That's why up to eighty percent of people may be deficient in. 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Com is my distinct privilege to welcome the One and only Joan London to the program coast of Good Morning. America from eighty to ninety seven was twenty years. They're currently correspondent for the today. Show twelve books under your belt crazy. You can follow her on Instagram Twitter Facebook at Joan Lunden and Jonas away in L. U. N. D. E. N. Joan Lunden dot COM wild stuff. The new book is. Why did it come into this room? A candid conversation about aging. Let me start with the title. I felt reassured by that title. Because doesn't it happen to all of us? Oh my God. The most frustrating part about owning our aging brain is that kind of stuff with a word. Finding the name finding the occasional Bo. What just doing I used to ice to do. Three things at once all the time and just as soon my brain would manage that now. It's one thing it's shrunk and that one thing casually gets confusing. I I very proud to say I can forget what I'm doing while I'm doing it. Yes you know in your twenty. You don't think anything of it you know. You haven't been programmed to worry about that but you know once you get into your forties. Fifties and. Interestingly scientists used to think that our brains started shrinking when we were sixty. But now we've learned that our brains at least the hippocampus of with all the memory making. It starts shrinking in our early thirties at times. It's so reassured. That does explain a lot of things. Well it does. And and the the part that we're talking about here is called working memory right the holding something in mind while you are passing time or doing something else and working memory I was talking to a neuroscientist once. Who said you know? When he's been formally evaluated people our age and ask them you know what they complain about the complain about this and they call it memory but when he really tests them. It's actually working memory. 'cause you do learn your learn new stuff you remember things. It's just holding things in mind. They threw off the go but the good news is that it was also thought for decades that we were born with so many neurons. That's all we had. And we never got any more. But now we know that we can make new neurons as called neurogenesis and that to me is empowering and so I started looking at all the different ways and yet you know sure crossword puzzles and all those things are fine. But it's better to learn new things. You knew like language or an instrument but nothing beats exercise because all those Neurons you make when you're doing things challenging your brain. They make those little neurons. The neurons have to connect to the central system and the neurons that you make with all the Oxygen nutrients and blood. And everything going up to your brain when you're exercising those neurons. Those neurons are very good at connecting to the Central System. So we can work to kind of bulk up our brain The same way of bulk muscles and I have to tell you I used to Moan and Groan when I'd have to go get on the treadmill or go out and put my sneakers on then. I found out. Wait a minute so I'm not just doing this to you. Know be a smaller size and take care of my heart. I love my heart but wait a minute cognitive thinking I'm GonNa keep my brain and you know thinking better than bring me my sneakers and it. It gave me a whole new talk process toward why I wanted to really go out and get back cardio exercise because it gets frightening and of losing this stuff But the other. I've talked to several Alzheimer's specialist. Gary you may find the show. I came with a husband and wife team Alzheimer's team and they were saying and I've talked to many other since agree with this. That really of the major function the major evolutionary function of this giant instrument. We have with our skull is social communications. Yeah and socializing it. Turns OUT YOU'RE UPSET. Correct about exercising but socializing is as important as new learning. Apparently well you know. They say that there are the three top predictors of how well you're going to age are staying engaged in life social connections that you have and having a sense of purpose and I remember when I was a little girl. Mom always used to say have plans you have to fund and doing anything is anticipating and planning it but never. Has that been more true when you are getting older instead of like rolling up the carpet and saying okay. I'm done we have to be. We have to recognize that life is different the age Line has just expanded to such a great extent. That when you're sixty five like my mom thought. When she was sixty five she was gonNA probably died soon by the way she lived almost ninety five and these days. You have to realize that you may go. You got thirty years to plan very likely so we have to change the way we think about aging and I think it's even harder for women Yeah that's what I wanted to get to next. 'cause I think big big audience for this book is women and your openness about those issues which. I've been chanting about for some time but go ahead. Let's hear your well. I think we experience at different. Obviously because of declining estrogen and that brings on a myriad of annoying worrisome More than worrisome. And when you get to osteoporosis. Who shared their certain neuro protective factors to that? But some of these things. They're very natural biological things. But women think that they're experiencing them just themselves. What did I do to myself you know and I have the you know a week pelvic floor which is another way of saying that when I SNEEZE. I pee you know I have. I have a loss of Libido Sexual Having sexes uncomfortable. It's because the vaginal the wall drives and like all these things are happening. The hot flashes and not being able to sleep. You know and women if they if we don't talk about this women think it's just happening to them and what happens. Then they lose their self confidence. They feel less appealing. They feel less desirable. They feel less sexy. And how you feel about yourself affects the way you deal with everybody else in your life so I think it's just you know it it's like a ripple effect and all of that tends to take a woman into herself because she doesn't want to have these discussions unfortunately not even with her doctor. I talked to a lot of gynecologists. He says they all say they come in. They sit down how you doing fine and if you press them on it though say Oh yeah all that happens to mean. We have to make it not taboo. We got these. Things shouldn't be taboo. Women do this crazy thing and this is almost all stages of life where they do this internal inventory were. They're essentially blaming themselves whatever's going on say it's taking time to myself and my level as opposed to going. Hey biologically going on here. Let me talk to my doctor. Which is simple enough. Yeah Yeah but we don't speak up and do that and it is to art great detriment because many of these things. There are fixes if you just spoke to your doctor about them instead of suffering in silence and then maybe not having Want to have sex with your partner. Now all of a sudden you gotTA relationship problem on top of it so remember years ago when Betty Ford came out and talked about her breast cancer mill. Nobody ever ever talked about it before when she talked about it. It's like the floodgates opened all of a sudden it was okay for everyone to talk about breast cancer. That's been a wonderful thing. People don't have to suffer it alone. They can talk to each other women who don't know each other like on my social platforms. Someone will say I just had a mastectomy. I need a bathing suit. Five other women will come in and say oh. Call this. Call this go to this Cadillac. We need to get there with all of the other things that women go through and you know sometimes when it's just me but I gotta tell you no matter how rich no matter how beautiful no matter how successful. She's also having the same problem in her yoga classes. You are remember. Just the nature medicine over there. Everything has ever been so yeah I've got prostate cancer and I've tried to raise awareness about that and breast. Cancer puts you in a special category in terms of these other. Symptomology as we've been discussing describing. I'm I'm a big advocate for home. Replacement therapy carefully managed properly. Risk Risk reward analysis done forgiven patient. I'm a big believer in testosterone replacement. Something that women aren't allowed to get because that's a male hormone sustain a massive effect on women that he lied about Libido and wellbeing and bone density all things that really your ovaries are your main source of estrogen progesterone and dishonesty thrown and it goes down and as important way. There's an easy way to replace that. And when that estrogen? Goes DOWN THAT THAT DANCE? That has been doing with your insulin. Your whole life. All of a sudden goes completely and women find that they're gaining weight and they find that they can even become insulin. Resistant that puts them at risk of type. Two diabetes and heart disease into styles from more than the estrogen realize canal. Now there are people out. There really advocating for just astronaut. We're seeing that. That has a bigger effect than anything else the again. That's all it gets. It gets complicated but the bottom line is speak up. Don't do that internal inventory of once you've done. It's also speak up to your doctor this things to be done. What if you don't have a relationship with the doctor where you feel comfortable then find another doctor? Because we really in. Today's world of specialists we have to become a participant in our healthcare plan. Our healthcare team. Your doctors are talking to each other and a lot of women never go to. Gp of or an internist. They just go to a gynecologist. Good so a little thing a couple of little things that I discovered that I thought were fascinating I wanted to figure out why. Do all of a sudden after having a fabulous waistline your entire life boom. It's almost like you know the the fairy godmother that's you don't WanNa see came down wave the wand and boof all of a sudden like what the hats I've got no waistline so I did a little research into it and only only to find that the fact that we normally carry the fat cells. We biologically carrying our hips and our thighs during our childbearing years. Are there for a reason. So that when your belly grows you are balanced and as soon as your body reads that you're not in childbearing years anymore. It migrates to your stomach I am. I think that's really going to be comforting to a lot of women. At least they're gonNA know why it happened and then part B. to that. Is You have to be worried about any fat. That's above your belly button because that's the most dangerous fat and so then it came to the idea of. What should we really be watching? And it's our waistline now. I don't know about you but I've never had a doctor. Measure my waistline. Only Taylor Taylor is will. They will be noticed that we're trained to notice what's called central obesity to degree to which that's an issue. I don't know that maybe you've found a scale. We don't have a really a scale of waistline sizes. Well the top reason that women site for not going to a doctor is that they don't want to get on the scale and they will have scared off. They will put off that annual checkup for years. Just because they don't want to get on that scale for us. Yeah Oh my God yes. It's number one reason so I just ask everybody in the book. Go and go to the drugstore. Get One of those little you know. Fabric measurement tapes and. Take your measurement. Nfl If you're a woman in his over thirty five and if your man infants over forty like get with a because you can lose about eight nine pounds and it'll take an inch off your waistline but these are just all little crate pieces of information at one to learn them. You can't unlearn them true. And that's all the book right. Yeah the book is. Why did they come into this room? Candid conversation about aging you notice. He forgot I and the speed of processing his downfall. Did something specific? Motivate you to write the book that when I was Diagnosed with cancer. I mean I've always been interested in health. My Dad was a doctor always thought I'd be a doctor but didn't go there and maybe it was always a little Dissatisfied with the fact that I didn't go there then. I got this diagnosis and I think it's sad. It's gotTa Stop Right there. It's so funny to be the people that have these amazing careers. It's there's always something else they would. I know somebody's Rockstar. They want to be a writer writer. They want to be a singer when people used to stop us on the street all the time and they would just embrace my dad and they'd say thank you for saving. My life hasn't happened anymore. The unlike that unfortunately we get down they would bend down to be as low as I am and they say. Do you know how important your daddy is to our life young lady and I thought that's what I wanted to be and I was always fascinated with the idea of disseminating information to help people. Unfortunately sometimes it takes us getting a cancer diagnosis or some other terrible diagnosis to really start concentrating. And reading voraciously about our health and the more. I read the more got enlightened and interested empowered and then the more I felt 'cause my by job on the surface to disseminate information. I just had to start sharing and then when I really started thinking about all the things that happened to women that are annoying. They're worrisome and as a matter of fact there they really are problematic and we need to pay attention to them but not just that drew you know it affects our psyche and affects how we feel about ourselves. And if we don't feel good about ourselves how do you go out and have happy fun religion? How are people supposed to relate to you so for me just as much as telling them how liberal works? The pancreas works. I wanted to talk to them about happiness about that pivot point because to me. This is the silver lining of aging that pivot point. Where you kind of exile? You'll look back and you say come on give yourself a little pat on the back for a life. Well lived for all those crises that you navigated along the way. Let Gov all the stuff that never mattered anyway because this lets you kind of make that pivot and say well. I got the second chance like how do I WANNA be remembered? I could start working on that today. I have decades to work on it. Happiness research to show that over about fifty five people start to a happy end of their happiest stages of life. It's just these all these other issues get in the way of that really being sustainable right all these other health issues. And Lo Whatever. The other issues related to hormonal imbalances. It's it's a point. We'll take your three points on aging which has purpose it's number one staying engaged in light number two social connections much purpose and social purpose absolutely. Yeah people that's when they kinda come round goal. I want to make a difference. I WanNa do something and make a difference in the difficult thing that I've noticed I've said this before on this particular podcast that people forget. Is that really to make a difference. You've gotta I develop a skill set and wisdom. Which is what you're doing. Would you say you read all this stuff and you develop a now? You're ready to give it back now. You're making absolutely and it's so much fun and I try to say like the water's fine. Everybody come in like you know if they only would like open themselves up to try new things and and saying you know maybe because that maybe diet enjoy that and start looking for things you're interested in. Here's something I need to understand about Joan London. Nine kids seven kids. Come on the big difference. It's all incomprehensible to me. I three and that's like saturation but I did mine. I had three daughters while I was working at good morning America and if anyone ever thought that could get any harder than I remarried and I had two sets of twins twenty months apart card where we working fulltime then I was working. All the time was the surrogate should say okay but still. I mean we would. We would put those four little babes in this extra long bath tub. We had built in a bathroom off the family room and two twins. They're twenty months apart so they're freshman freshman junior now all in high school and now we're at the point where they all just roll their eyes at you if you try to talk course. How many boys girls boy girl boy girl and they all play sports? That's four sports schedules. But you know what you know what I'm doing in the afternoon sports. I'm in the bleachers. At the high school watching a game. That's so much fun or no and I chose that life. You know. That's fun So you know. I think you have to understand the what your capabilities are. You know whether some people would find that incredibly exhausting and read and think I should have my head examined but for me. It's a amazingly wonderful life. I'm still working incredibly hard and some people look at my schedule and say what are you crazy like? I'm on a plane like every other day but you know what? I'm lucky I love my life. You'll ever during. Yes yeah I understand that and it's hard not to do it when you feel so engaged at. Yeah which is. You're thinking gauge. When a giving back I am. I'm totally into but I knew I had to do this with a sense of humor and I started writing the book. I wasn't sure I had a good enough sense of humor to actually do that. But I said you can't write about all these annoying crazy things if you don't put a sense of humor thank you. Let's let's get a new one made you most uncomfortable affect the no. Which which topic would you come? I Really GonNa talk about this and has made you uncomfortable bringing it up. Well I thought first of all it was probably going to be Loss of Libido and vaginal dryness and I started really delving into everything and I found that there are so many different things that can be done about that and then the did you talk about your personal how you deal with it exactly and I go to. I go to that to a certain extent I share. I don't know if I should share a story with you but if you're comfortable because my my instinct is to go we'll tell you what report even though you're a bit what. I mean like What the doctor's call urinary incontinence call stress? You're sneezing and everything at the same time. So I went to a party so the first three kids were deliveries. Yes so that's where this okay. So but so. And by the way the same thing this happens to you with a week pelvic floor as you age it happens to you right after you have a baby ono. Every mom knows that it's the it's childbearing plus aging gives you the problem okay. So I'll tell I'm gonNA tell you the story that my daughter my older daughter said you can't tell that mom. I said why not so I go to this huge big gala and I'm in a long beaded gown which those things weigh so much and of course you in order to have a form fitting gown like you you wear this incredibly expensive spanks little number underneath so now. It's time to go to the bathroom and I say that as women get older. It's kind of like that. The PAVLOVIAN response remember you know. Ring the bell feed the dog. Ring the bell feed the dog and pretty soon. All you have to do is ring the bell and salivate so get older so the latter Boscell at the neck of the bladder. Relax relax relax thinking about going to think about it and like you can't make it to the bathroom fast enough so here. I am in this bathroom. This beautiful gorgeous big hotel and you know how hard it is to to try to hold up a beaded gown in. Get A spanks thing down off of you a garment off of you are playing. Say I do but I can imagine. Don't but let's just say the Pavlovian response what. I do really like Paul's drag race. But I've performed on it so so here I am and like I had this spanks that cost a gazillion dollars and I have this tiny little beaded purse which can barely fit my lipstick so I leave that in that little box there in the bathroom and all I could do was dropped my dress to the gown to the ground and go back out into this party of very important people and the the rest of the night. I just smiled thinking I'm out here barest. No one knows it fun. Bilo wife would like that. You know what when you say that when you tell that story all of a sudden the people who you're trying to reach say wow she told that drives me to humanizing and it it brings you together and then they say okay then. I can talk about that too. Of course now. The other thing that that I deal with a lot is the the marriage and we're living longer than we're supposed to in reality I mean we're we're able to quite effectively but it's it's something that We didn't necessarily evolve for and the institution of marriage hasn't really kind of adjusted to and so a lot of the questions you know. How do you keep relationships intimate? And how do you keep the second life up in this kind of thing? Do you get into that in the book so I am not married when I was yes. Two different topics intimacy and sexuality. There different topics. Yeah so when I was twenty nine I got married and I married a guy who is thirty nine three great kids but it didn't work out twenty years later when I was forty nine got married again and again I married a guy who is thirty nine. I'll let you do the math for me. It's all good so you know. I mean I remember people always be trying to set me up with people who like these rich businessmen or and I said I wanNA make a decision so that when I wake up every day I say to myself God. I'm glad I'm waking up next to the person I think I think. I think a lot of people don't really know how to find that I admire. I admire what he stands for the kind of guy he is and your friend and and I say that whatever that is when you first get going can be there every day. That's not the same. Come on let's all be honest. I mean it's not the same the same but for me I. It reminds me of Alcoholics anonymous a as long as it's one day at a time and as long as long as today I feel as excited as yesterday which all of a sudden they start to add up all of a sudden. It's thirty years and I'm still. I'm still cool excited. I think it's important to to. I like to go and play tennis with them and go the gym with them and like we do things and I. I think that that's important. That's how we keep our life exciting fun and you know if you don't have to. I remember who was it? Who is the Georgia Gabor? Once said husbands are like fires. If you don't fan the flames fan the flame it goes out but what it really is true for both sides like you have to work at marriage and when you and sometimes you have to realize that you go through these times where whatever darts it. You're just kind of like have a little bit of a set emotional separation for a while and sometimes I think people probably jumped ship. I agree with you. I think that's the part that's really disturbing to me. Is it the assume? Well I don't want to bother with this. As opposed to. Yes that's why. Would you make the commitment? The commitment is because these things do wax and wane and you get through it all of a sudden cooler and you have to realize that not everything in life is going to be amazing all the time. Nothing not everything. Nothing is going to be that way. Really when you get right down so you have to remember is that you want to wake up every morning and say. Gosh I really so happy. I'm waking up next to this guy then like figure it out let it let it pass and make an effort to you know. Put the spark back right or just calm down and get through those appear on Dan. Yeah don't start running for the exit just because you're not what else. I think we've made it so easy that it's a shame that probably will think about it. We all make a commitment affirm. Gotten everybody when we do this thing and we don't. We don't really make the effort that we should. I mean if there's problems as problems in that's but but in terms of just things aren't as lovely as you'd like them to be so so you're breast cancer What was the treatment? You have lumpectomy and radiation or do you have. I had something called triple negative so I didn't have any there. Were No Targeted treatments for my kind of cancer. It happened to be a very fast growing cancer That can happen other parts of your body. It just happens to happen your breasts. They know a lot more about it now but at the time there was no treatment other than extremely aggressive chemotherapy. And I knew I'd never had a friend or a relative that had ever gone through it so I didn't know anything about it and at first I thought. Oh you're gonNA put on a hat on and sunglasses and like I'll just kind of go in and out and get some chemo. Get some radiation. Maybe a quick lumpectomy and then I heard the news that I had to have chemo. Your but I had a plastic tumor. Anaplastic THOSE TRIPLE NEGATIVE UP. Aaa but also anaplastic cells and it was way back against my chest wall so I never would have ever felt it really until it was about it and I remember him no. It was not so if I have one message to give every woman I went and got my my mammograms all the time and one day I was sent to do an interview with Dr Susan Loved wrote the Breast Book and afterwards she was saying you do. Get your mammograms all the time. Don't you Miss London Nicer? Oh yeah they're also scary because they constantly call me back in for more pictures and I freak out and say Oh my God. Did you see something bad? Is that the issue and they would always say the same thing. No no no. You just have such dense breast. It's hard to see anything and with that doctor loves wait a minute you need to be getting an ultrasound every time you get a mammogram sounds too now. I would never known that if I hadn't been sent on that interview and now here I am a couple of years later. I asked my gynecologist. Please write me a script for an ultrasound to because Dr Love told me on that story I should get it and I had a clean three d. Mammogram that day walked across. The hall had an ultrasound and found out that. I had a two and a half inch tumor. So this is a complex landscape. You're you're talking and then. Mr has figured into this la well and then cine ultrasounds are also in there and Man Talk to your doctors about this one because he just don't assume I think the the message. I think of your book in your experiences. Don't assume the Mammogram is the whole story. Because it isn't any question you might WanNa see. I I sometimes. If there's any question I will have a breast cancer. Specialist on colleges restart to make the calls on the screen. How to screen? Because they're usually pretty good at it but before we get to that because I remember I said when's Dr Love? I said I don't understand like why aren't we learning this about this density issue and he said she said because from the belly button down. That's what gynecologist getting this country from the belly. Button up the breast cancer surgeon gets that but that makes no sense. Because you know you don't get to a breast cancer surgeon till after diagnosis. I decided I was GonNa make it my personal mission to make sure that as many women in America that I could possibly reach understood that there was something called breast density. You have fatty tissue in your young and by the time you get to be older some women still have that but almost half the women in America have dense breast tissue it shows up white on a mammogram and sodas cancer. It's like looking for a snowball in a snowstorm. So you need to know your density. And they've been collecting that information and mammograms for decades see. Here's where it gets complicated and I hope I'm freezing the current data bank. Which is that the the thinking was that? Mr Is a much more accurate way of screening. Desperate that is too expensive. Now's too expensive at it over it over over many false positives. So we're still in a phase. We're trying to decide on specific standards for all of this. Which is why I send people to the breast cancer person because they have been pretty good judgment alter sounds are technician dependence still different technologies ultrasound so he gets weird need to know though is that what is their density. We're know your numbers. Are I find cholesterol? Your resting heart rate Blah Blah Blah. Women also need to know their density. I told him four categories. So if you're seventy five percent denser more you need an ancillary test and they haven't been telling women this these these they have been telling the gynecologist. It is in his report or her report but we haven't been told so there's been like this massive grassroots organization going on. They've gotten different states to come up with better laws to mandate the Radiology labs tell women but finally finally about one year ago in that massive spending bill got past that legislation was in it so that mandates at the FDA because I testified before Congress I testify before the FDA and finally now they are going to require that no matter what state you live in in this country that if you're a woman if you've had a mammogram you need to have that information and there was no fiscal part of that legislation. But I think everybody knew that once that domino fell the insurance domino then becomes in question and they didn't Wanna pay for that Ansari Tests. But it's ridiculous because if you pay for the answer Larry Test and you find the cancer early. You're going to be. It's going to cost a lot less. I know but you know the the way the insurance companies even now medicine does it. Which is you know how many positive for how many screens. How much is that? Is it pop up to watch. I said to the Special Prevent Preventative Task Force. That makes up the rules. That is not one doctor on that panel so how many people actually do have to die before you think. It's okay to start giving us all the tests that we need in order to find her cancer didn't have an answer for that one. We'll be careful if if we really get government run systems. Those kinds of questions are going to be asking for every designed. No it's so. We can better protect women. Just we can better protect women from getting cancer and we can better protect women from assuming that all the effects of aging are their own problems old inside and they should feel bad about. Oh my God will thankfully I feel like we're getting to a time? When women appreciated for their beauty as they age. I feel like thank your a great example. This and I feel that there's more and more of that am I right. I think so I do think a lot of women out there might say well not in my business and not at my office place or whatever but I do think it's getting better. I think that this age timeline. Just shot out into the future and I don't know if everyone like wrap their brains around at the same time it was happening and we're just kind of coming into that to embrace the fact that when you're sixty it's not like you're you're like got one foot in the grave all rental no not at all. We're relevant. Were still out part of life and we have so much to offer e even though it seems like you're not talking off the air that there's sort of a preoccupation with youth and the millennial crowd and the all all we heard about for years with the age of America is getting older they're the major voting bloc and then we vanished actually aged voting block. And we're the big spending block that hasn't quite caught up yet but weird but if we keep talking about it so I want to go back to the breast cancer. So sort of having had a breast cancer aggressive one puts you in a whole different category in terms of the things you can do for all the things you listed like. I said I'm a big fan of hormone replacement therapy until the time I was due right and same thing I actually think testosterone placement for man is in a in a very carefully managed fashion and low dose is a good thing. I can't take prostate cancer. So what do you make recommendations or explore stuff to limit could do the can't take these things I don't make recommendations but I do I did the research found what was available you know. They're all kinds of vaginal creams creams. Now that you can get over the counter you can get from your Gynecologists that don't affect your Your risk for rescue for cancer and there are other things that I talk about them in the book and something called the Mona Lisa. Touch which goes in. It's actually concerted thing that used to be used on that still used in Like face skin institutes that that increases the Collagen. Basically exact. Same thing and it's they. I mean to be really honest. That makes tiny little itty bitty cut sure sure which causes the college into then build up and you can increase the colleges relative of the. Vampire facials exactly okay. So in other words you can increase the vaginal the thickness of the vaginal wall. There are other things that actually are used to increase the size of the vagina itself. And so these are things that if you go to the doctor and you talk about and you find somebody can get referred to a specialist. This can really help. Oh Yeah and so you don't have to just let you know one woman said. I don't know I just said to my husband. Kelly just befriends. That's worse without benefits. You will lose something and by the way when people get it back there if they feel sad for when they didn't have it we law something for a while they got. We got it back and kind of like I talked about that period of you know you go through those periods of time. When you're not like Super Lovey dovey with your husband like waited out the same with loss of Libido quite often there's a loss of libido that comes back and maybe doesn't come back in the same way but you know people kind of have to wait that one out a little bit too but if you never talk about it you're never gonNA find any solution to plus if you're a woman and you're experiencing that it it's really uncomfortable when your car's coming commission and you start feeling guilty and resentful and you know he feels confused and you're embarrassed to talk to him about it I mean it's a self you know kind of fulfilling problem that gets bigger and bigger spins I. We just have to come in and say these can't be taboo subjects because he's our natural things that are going to happen every woman. Yeah absolutely have been getting much back feedback from the males. I'm sure women love this book. And well you know every woman I talked to whether they're in their forties or sixties or eighties. They all say the same thing you were talking to me are all the things that are happening to me. I'm so glad we can talk about them now. I actually think it's first of all a lot of the information in the book is going to be applicable to any man. There's just specifics. About estrogen loss though isn't But there's so much of the book that's about you know I took it into mind body and soul and the whole first. Part of the book is about the concept of age and how it can so It's probably the worst descriptive Description of us as anything. It's that it's reflective of the day. Were born this on your birth certificate but we let that age detail us how capable and how relevant we are and what people should expect of US and so. I wonder and I took my kids to on a trip to Morocco Out into the Sahara desert and we were. We stopped off the side of the road and found this Group of Sheep Herders. We we went into their tent and there was this old woman. There the matriarch. And we're all in attendance. She's making his peppermint tea with Real Minton and you know and we through an interpreter. I'm asking her questions and then I said how are you? 'cause she was weathered weather you know and she said what I said. How old are you just? I don't know they had no. They had they did not keep track of days or months or years. They watched the sun and the seasons and they picked up their tent and moved on when they needed to. She had no concept of her age and I walked out of that ten thinking. Wow and we are so preoccupied by age like I thought that was really cool. I thought it was incredibly freeing. She had no concept and when the day came that the seasons change. That woman took down that tent. She rolled all that stuff up and put it on the back of a donkey and she went under miles. She didn't even Shannon and she didn't say would a twenty year old. You know she just did it. And so I I shared that I WANNA share example. So that because sometimes it's hard to even grab a hold of these concepts where I ask what is age narratives. Yeah you need narratives. You need stories to make you understand that. There are people on this earth who have no concept of their age. They just do whatever they need to do in life and they never think gee. I'm too old for this so I wanted to talk about age and the new expanding timeline. And where there's this big pocket of baby boomers and you know. Everybody has been waiting not to see how aid is going to change baby boomers but how the baby boomers are going to change age and ageing and the whole last part of the book has nothing to do. With your liver your pancreas. It has to do with your happiness chapters like I WanNa be the person who are you. Are you the person you'd like to be sitting having lunch with you know? And when someone's not there you know you you and your girlfriends you know say boy you know this about her this well guess what when you're not there. They're having the same conversation about you and I said if you're going to have to put a placard on the front of you. What would be the descriptive phrase? That would describe you. You an interrupt. Her social climber kind considerate. And these kind of exercises make you think about yourself and the reason why I wanted to do that. I wanted to talk about gratitude and letting go of regrets and mistakes and all the stuff that makes no difference in the world that just like hangs on you and take drains your happiness. If you can do that and I put him through lots of exercise. I actually put them through at the end of the book the Exercise of Writing Their own eulogy. We'll see that's interesting. I was wondering if you went there because all I did. Yeah the the Sort of the phrase that summarizes your life is people put it. You know when you my mom did it. My Mom's sat down with me because she had we all remember very well horizon. My Dad's Eulogy Right. After his death she sat down with me. One day that I WANNA make sure everybody says the right things about me and I don't WanNa sad funeral. She like swear to God. She did like a prime time show but she wrote her eulogy and so when the time came I had that. That's the most amazing gift anyone can give their child and has also like why not take control of what people are going to say about you. It doesn't mean you're a control freak. It means that you care what people are going to was. The first she was funny. And but I did take some literary you know pe Leeway and I made it even funnier I told the story about how when I went to her to get her clothes that she was going to be buried inner casket. She wanted to be married in her white. Saint John Outfit with Gold Trim and her gold chanel bag and her gold shoes because she said when I meet your dad up there in heaven I wanNA look sharp home. I got the funding and so I had all this and I went and got it and then I remembered. Oh wait a second. The last few years of kind of depends years. I didn't have any underpants and one of the lovely young ladies that work there said. Wait a minute I just bought some and she brought me these little bikini underwear so now I go to the funeral parlor and I give the guy the white saint John suit the shoes the purse and then I said and these are the pants and when my mom arrives in Heaven and she sees my Dad and my dad's is where does coming from. She's going to have some explaining to do and that's how I ended the eulogy So but it's not a morose exercise. It's an exercise that makes you say with people are going to be coming behind saying things about me. What are they going to be saying? Are they going to be saying? GotTa wonder where she's GonNa go or are they going to be saying that you were kind and always there for them because whatever it? Is You wish that they would be saying at that moment. Start working on it. That's my purpose for writing the eulogy. GotTa start working on it today. So that's the spiritual peace. That's the spiritual peace because that will help you set your path for the next year. Whatever you know twenty thirty years you get any other spiritual kinds of stuff. There's so many ways that people think conceive of that. Gosh I don't know my last chapter by the way is I want to be cremated. It's my last chance at a smoking hot body workout US funds. Like I say you have to be funny. My chapter on incontinence is. I laughed so hard tears. Roll down my leg. You want you want to keep them with you because it is important information but that's how you can take them along with you. Yes I mean. It's for sure. Your comedy makes digestible justifiable well. Y- know higher power stuff for that much really. I'm kind of a tell it like it is girl. Yeah and Asian. We're talking about death. I don't remember that being in the so much it wasn't really much about death as In My last chapter You know talk about How you want to be remembered that dash you know the there's that wonderful poem called the Dash. Oh It's you have to look it up. Go Go Google it later. Look it up and read it because it is called the Dash It's really a famous poem and had heard at a funeral and a really got me to thinking. So that little dash that dash that little thing represents the time between you were born and the time when you die the dash the what does that dash over to. What is your dash going to represent? Do you want it to represent something? I mean I've said that if mine represents nothing I want to be defined by breast cancer but mine reflects what I've done in the world of breast cancer. I'll be good with that but when you think about that that allows you to really kind of think. About what kind of person are you carried assembly? The Dash he's text. That's good here. Ls Yes. Let's quick to anger show appreciation nice and it also talks about how you know if you're still you can still have time to determine what that data's going to represent? What was a friend of mine sister remember? You don't live out here though live in. I'm from Sacramento but I live with huge sanader windstorm about just about three years ago and a tree fell on his sister's car in. Kilter just out of the blue out of the blue and this was a woman who was highly engaged in the recovery community a musician and so he's went around try well back in my and and he's been doing a lot of thinking about death and talking about people about it for a couple years now and he's got to the point where. I'm Kinda it's got about death it's about it's about. It's about living and live like she did. That's the message lived away with the with all the engagement. That service is what you're talking about that really makes this a meaningful experience and that gives you that sense of purpose and there was a wonderful story. What Mahatma Gandhi was leaving on a train and all the reporters were coming into kept saying you know what is your message for the people. What is your message for the People? And he got onto the train and he wrote on a piece of paper and put it up at the window. That said my life is my message and I mean that's I'm I love quotes. I love those things I. They've like impact me. I remember them. I write them down. I saved them. I put them in my books because I think that when they're profound they're really impactful. Yes yes aphorisms of these you wrote and the whole end of the book that yes I do deal with having you write your own habitue airy Which is not it's not about I get it is about living how it's about aging and how you're going to decide how you're going to live the rest of your life. Yes fill that dash meaning fill so you're extraordinary person and what what makes you so. I'm like I'm just curious was there. I am Taipei. I've always wanted to go. You know I gotTa Tell You something. A lot of has to do with my mom. That's what I was expecting. Something something somewhere in your childhood guy was. My Dad was a real missionary as a doctor. He's gone all the time yeah. He was positive affirmations. Bother you better. A cancer surgeon gone. My mom was the one who was always there saying you can do anything you want. Reach FOR THE STARS. You know And She I think that When I I skipped a couple of grades so I was sixteen years old when I started college. Sacramento know my well. My Mom said you're too young. You grant you you're applying to UCLA UC Berkeley. And all these Stanford and I can't have a college campus or you know she found A ship that went around the world is now a Mestre yet out of Chapman Caliph at Chapman University and that time it was called world campus afloat and she came to me after. I was getting my you know acceptance letters and she said This is what you're going to do. You're going to go on the ship and I left San Francisco flew to New York. Got On the ship. We went around the world fifteen countries over the course of a semester. She said I want you to expand your horizons. I want you to understand that. There's way more to life out there and you've got to find your place in and you've got to figure out how you're going to make your mark on this earth and that really changed things. I came back immediately went to Mexico because I heard about this other. I went to university. Dodd Dallas America's for three years. I went there for three months. Stayed three years came back and that probably all of that travel probably helped me get my first job in television but here again this is. This is what my husband says. This is the page out of the playbook of Joan London. Having dinner at the house getting into college friend is over. He's a salesman at the NBC station. In Sacramento. He says and this is nineteen sixty nine thousand nine hundred. Seventy three seventy four. You know they're going to put more women on television like all these women's groups right now are all suing the New York. Times are suing the everybody the FCC is really putting pressure on local stations to put women on television. You ought to consider that now. I was not taking journalism or anything in college and I could really easily let that the passing comment at a dinner table. The next morning I got up I made a call. I call that news director and I got an interview. I wrote some questions. What is this for one? Twenty three twenty four twenty three and I went into the television station and after about five minutes of questioning him. He said well clearly you know how to read an interview so he took me into the studio. Any auditioned me. The Vietnam War was going on. Because let me tell you. A lot of the copy was very hard to read And then afterwards he said I really think that you have a lot of potential but we don't have a job but the weatherman was back behind the set and he followed me out the door and he said I want to make a proposition. He said there. A few stations around the country are are starting to hire what they call a weathergirl. And I'd like to make you Sacramento's first weather girl and I I in my head. I'm thinking that sounds completely boring. Nothing would ever want to do. But somehow I recognized opportunity so I said yes so I started working with them for you. Know Twenty five dollars a week or whatever it was is like a little paid intern and within six months. I was on the air and within another six months. I was anchoring because there were no women around and so everything went. You know really quickly and within two years. I got called by. Abc of New York. And I went to New York to work for WABC. Interestingly as a field as of street report which I'd never done so I remember I went to the first fire and get out of the and I'm trying to talk to the firemen pretty soon. My cameraman comes to me and says you can't talk talk to those guys busy fighting the fire. You have to talk to the guy with the white helmet. That's the fire chief. Like I knew nothing but I have learned that every time. Someone says to me in my life do you think you could do Blah Blah Blah? For God's sakes just say yes and then you're out how to do it. May I suggest your next Book Shadow? This point but millennials need a big dose of Which? We're talking about the your weight. You see your your kids when your current high school kids when they head towards college if they're part of what's going on seemingly with this Younger population they don't get that part. I know they went there ultimate muse fast and I don't blame them. I think that's a great thing. But they they. If there's a way you can communicate that listening to those instincts following those opportunities open community now. They'll push bag. You happen fast to you. Bye-bye here for two years. Nothing's happening yet. I'm sure you'll figure out a way. Thanks and it takes hard work. Yes but the hard work really pays off and I I have people sometimes say wow. You've had such an amazing life. You're so lucky it's like no. I'm not lucky that that's not how I had an amazing life. I was killed killed myself instead and I said Yes yes. I know you're still killing yourself. That's the other thing you're still kill yourself. That's how I know you've always done it. That way yeah right. It's still then fabulous. Let's leave it at that. The book is called again my age range of wide. I come into this room a candid conversation about aging which we just had it is out now. Joan London Dot Com for details at Joan London on all the social media platforms. We leave anything out a place for MOM. Do you want to mention anything about that? I mean I've spokesperson for them. Because they help solve that problem for families and help them figure out what level of care their loved one needs and you know where they'll not only just be safe but we'll be happy about aging plan for those levels of care and talked every start talking earlier about it then people we were joined. I were talking before the MICS. Here and Before the Mike heated up and we were saying that people are generally happy when their around their peers. Yes don't leave that out yet and you need to constantly be making more new friends and sometimes the friends you make when they're the same age where you have the same concerns and the same joys to talk about are some of the best friends you can make. Why did I come into this room? Such a frustrating thought but it was a great title for a Book and Joan. It was a real religion. I thank you so much for coming by Blended discussed the Elliott's my privilege. Thank you so much. We'll see next time for Colin Times and topics. 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EP. 381 - It's NEVER Too Late ft. Joan Macdonald

Mark Bell's Power Project

1:50:19 hr | 3 months ago

EP. 381 - It's NEVER Too Late ft. Joan Macdonald

"Tower project crew. Welcome to today's show. This episode was recorded on. May first and it is with a very inspiring and encouraging guest. the One and only Joan McDonald. Joan is seventy three years old. She is jacked. She has tanned. She is like I said. Very inspiring She just recently started weight training specifically About three years ago and she's been able to drop about forty to fifty pounds and keep it off. What's really interesting is before that she's still was going to a gym. She just wasn't really finding her groove. She wasn't really working with somebody until her daughter actually tried to help her. And what you'll learn. Is You know when she was unhealthy. She was unhappy. Now that she is healthy she's now happy A lot of this stuff correlates with each other. You know life in the gym runs parallel. We always talk about that sort of thing on this podcast but Like I said we are so inspired and fired up for having her on the podcast She explained how you know. If you're in a slump in your blaming on the the quarantine and the lockdown that's just an excuse if you really want to get in shape it has to come from inside. It has to come in from you Again kind of some stuff that like Ross. Edgeley said not too long ago and I mean we were all like I said. We're all fired up from this episode. So thank you for taking the time out of your day to be on our show. We sincerely appreciate that. We think everybody from all each will get a ton out of this episode Not just in the older age group in any age group. I mean I. It's it's an amazing thing when you can speak to somebody who has a ton of life experience and really pick their brain about like and what makes them tick so if you are finding yourself right now in a slump or maybe you know somebody that is you want to motivate somebody that get started. This is a great example. Because she didn't pick up Weight training until she was I mean she was. She was seventy one when she first started. 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All you have to do is go to mark Bell Dot Com register and you'll gain access to the entire website for absolutely free Really Hope you guys enjoy this episode. If you guys like the conversation please find Jones Youtube and instagram or anything. We can find on her. Find that in the the youtube description and the IT show notes reach out to her She's GonNa love it. She's just the sweetest person we've had on the PODCAST Let her know that she has hurt her on our podcast and I thank her for inspiring and motivating all of us So that's it for me. Ladies and gentlemen please enjoy this show with Joan McDonald combined. Eggs frozen okay. I can read that computers older older than our guest today. I think I mean with how it's been acting. Yeah it's It will for. I should say how it's been performing compared to how she's performing definitely I'm curious AC- like her mindset and stuff you know not not necessarily towards like fitness but her mindset towards. I Dunno just America Mike and and Men Today's men. That's what I WANNA know. I WANNA know from this lady today. Super excited get opportunity to talk to Jack Joanne. Today she is what seventy three years old. Yeah something like that. Seventy three seventy four years old and it'd be funny. I wonder if her user similar to like Elliott Holes. I wonder it's Joanna Joan Joan Joan. Now you're right. You're right Joan okay. Okay man. That's going to be crazy. I want to know really what made her shift because in her pictures before she started lifting the Oh like she looks like she never lifted ever. Now she's Jacksonville. Yeah when she's like flexing and stuff you can you could see some biceps going on and you see some shoulder muscles and you see some back. She she looks awesome. My we gotta figure out we gotta get on that level and figure out what she's doing to recycle Bro. Well yes we can have cycles. What the heck is again those cows in Nebraska on these days the Piemontese Scouser so jack? What's that all about When I talked to when we had the Piedmontese people I talk to them privately. Now it's like look what's going on with these cows. We needed to know like what? What are they running you know and They basically said it's combination of growth hormone insulin to start your own. But mainly the main thing is what we all speculated and it's it's trend the the cows are on trend and then but by eating. Piedmontese Cow Certified Piedmontese. Of course you're going to get all the benefits of the trend without the negative then. I think that's what people are missing. Is I think people get upset. And they think I'm going to get the negative sides of trans all angry at no. You don't get that you get the positive when I took trend in the past sweat so much used to you know what I. I'm seeing this joke a little bit far. The jokes too far but yeah the compete on. C. Stakes are amazing. The politically correct way to put it. Is that these. These cows have a higher protein content and much less fat. And that's the state that we actually are able to get from Piedmontese beef. I don't know how they do it. They they're stakes are leaner. They're more tender. They taste better. Cook faster oddly. Enough they defrost faster. Everything is so much better from Piedmont. The only way to get even better is to get twenty five percent off head over to Piemontese DOT com. That's P. I E. D. M. O. N. T. E. S. E. DOT COM at checkout enter Promo Code Power Project for Twenty Five. Percents off your order and if your order is ninety nine dollars or more you get free. Two day shipping. My allergies are killing me today. Again to Piedmontese New York strips last night and the way that I try to do stuff because I have hard time controlling myself. I'm like just going to eat this amount. I go sit down like a normal human and like concentrate on my food and eat it and chew it up didn't work I rifled through the first one in like four seconds and then there I was again you know going going right for the second one. It's like I need More hurdles more barriers I guess to to set up than just than just not sitting down with it. I guess I don't know you guys. I'm super excited though. Because I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Cook up some burgers tonight and this is the first time that I've used their patties. I've heard you and Andrew both talk about the Piemontese patties. And this is the first time and they look like they look like they have a good amount of fat too so like I. I can't wait I yeah. I'm not sure exactly but like to me that they just the ground beef tastes better like it just takes a little bit different but the Hammer. You'RE GONNA love the Patty's I think. Actually that's a good move. I think I'm GONNA do the same sick. They have. I don't know if they've they've They've sent him to me but I haven't. I haven't had a chance to try them yet. They have seventy five twenty five beef. Yeah the adopt a holy grail. For right there yeah. They're calling them like restaurant style patties or something like that and I'm like man. Is that all it takes? But you gotta let us know. Because I'm curious how come out you haven't I haven't had an opportunity to To check them they keep messaging me like you. Have you tried them? Tried them yet? But they don't know I'm in quarantine over here. Oh Okay I'm not at my normal residents so out here enjoying the sun or it looks like Jones here. Oh right she's connected to the audio aright. Hey absolutely Awesome to have you here on the podcast. They really appreciate your time kind of the first thing I want to ask is You know we we understand that you got a lot of help from your daughter in turn the corner what you know you can't you can only get so much help from somebody else. What was the deciding factor for you? That made you decide Some years ago to start to get more into fitness in more into health than any change in your life well. I didn't like what I saw for one. I didn't like how I felt. I was not a happy person. Show kind of pointed that out to me and she gave me a way to start which was joining her age group and like she said you know killed. Learn more from the group Jerry people wanting to do either get bigger get smaller change the way they look Blah Blah and I had to think about it but it didn't take a local thinking. I knew I had to do something soon. Long awaited the older. So I she threw down the gauntlet picked it up and I told her I would join and I didn't really what was all entailed with this because I had to leering technology and I had no idea what I was doing. Nothing how old were you? I was closing in on like seventy fifth birthday. Like I I W- it started January change. I was seventy one in March. Have you messed around with any fitness up into that point before I had joined the gym? I was Gym Member for fifteen years. But I was working on my own. I didn't have any real guidance. In really the big thing of of found losing waiting and getting some muscle into it was food. That's a big thing that like how you eat when Michelle told me. I had to eat five times a day. I'm going I can't even eat hardly three times a date. I know I was snacking but Like having meals five times a day and I was GONNA get smaller. Like just. Didn't compute was attitude. Like your meals like did you. I know a lot of people before they start. They don't think they need to eat as much protein. Like was that like a big aspect of nutrition like how exactly did a change other than eating multiple meals more times a day. Smaller meals and It took me a long time actually took over a year to figure out that might be four and asked meals of workout. Were bigger than the other three. Actually the last two of the day are the smaller are supposed to be the smaller meals but to me. It's a before after than I have. I usually have my Really figured And then I still have. My fourth meal is is a little bit bigger than my third and my fifth wheel. Fifth meals sort of getting everything in for the rest of the day can make up my calories. Yeah a massive problem with With older folks is An older and younger young kids and people like basically over the age of fifty. I think just don't get enough protein in that must have been a huge shift. Are you eating a lot more protein? I'm eating a lot more protein. Yeah but I get a lot of protein from the powder the protein powder I still like my lemme in my fish two times a week at least Pork and chicken mainly or have ground Turkey which I cook up in drain for to add with a lot of the meals because you can add it to so many things as the ground the ground stuff so Before you were on more of like a Like regimented like nutrition plan Did you have any challenges with food? Like whether it'd be food addictions or just you know kind of you know things like that. You got like okay. There's times when you want switch. You'll eat them. I have Salaries that I like And Yeah it becomes a bit of a challenge because you given to that you buy junk food is what you do need it. He think not much of anything but it is. It's it adds a lot of weight on eventually and most of it is loaded with salt. I learned to look at my foods now before you know when I buy them make sure that they're low sodium and I needed that anyway because I have kidney issues for the last ten years and I didn't never want. I don't ever want to go on dialysis. My Dad was on dialysis but part of what took him and salt intake tonight have managed to aunt apparently but I have managed to keep it at a on an even keel for that ten years so I knew I had to watch myself in lake. That's the only thing that they the specialist talked about really but Yeah you tend to nibbles. And it's not a meal but this nibbling is like what you call it. I feel like I'm always nibbling anyway. I look like most pro bowl rat. Anyway what was what was the heaviest body weight that you've got up to an and approximately what? What's your weight at nowadays so biggest I was two hundred PSI in that when I got bad. I going own like God. This is awful in that was before Michelle got to me and when I finally started with her I think I was one ninety eight eight and I am now one forty. That's amazing where you re kind of When she came to you where you Kinda mad about what she was saying or are you just. You just accepted it. New as true at an alum I it was true I was mad at myself not at her at myself because I had let me get to that state in. It's no one's fault but my own. You don't want to blame everybody. It's we're awful. We to blame somebody. How how did it feel to You know the person that you raised in the person that you you know taught everything to and and all these things is the person that turns around and and and saves you and and encourages you to do something positive. All what we switched roles all right now. She's very very smart girl. I've I've backed her all my life her all her life most of the decisions she has made have been learning experiences. And I believe fully in making your own mistakes but not to the point where it's detrimental to you If if I had thought she was going to make a decision that was going to harm her I would have Stepped in although she has you know herself suffered from Bohemia. I wasn't aware Kabuki says I was like I was working full time and trying to raise three kids with my husband end way tried to keep them active like keep them off the streets and away from drugs and that was our main concern. I wasn't thinking about eating habits. I never thought of that. Thought it would be an issue you know but No she is very very talented girl. She goes after what she believes in and I would trust. I trusted here with my life. She's phenomenal were you on and off diets most of your life. I tried all kinds of things. But Noth- nothing really worked. My way of thinking is if it's not sustainable. It's not any good and none of these diets for like try this for X. number weeks like you couldn't live on what they promote in a lot of the diets. There's no way I don't I like like food. I just don't late preparing it. I've had to learn to to prepare food ahead of time Or plan out meals ahead of time. It's been a really hard lesson for me. I guess I was always one tasted good but it was just thrown together like I knew what I wanted. I knew how I grew up And together and either people liked it or they didn't. Is there anything that made your planning process easier as you're learning how to plan because when a lot of people are trying to get into that habit they're like oh? I don't know what I'm GONNA eat next. Stir the they're not used to planning. So what are the some things that made it easy for you to to plan and build that habit like you have now well Phil what easy thing is still learning. The macro is a good. I can't explain it exactly because it was never explained to me. It was just bogus do it. You know and you'll get there. It's like every food in the my Mac. Rose is got is bait of component of protein carbs and good fats. So if you say. I'm going to have steak. Mackerels has already got that broken down. You just have to put in the amount that you're going to eat and then then you'll know what it is that you've eaten so you can eventually learn to mix certain foods together so that you have a really nice meal and you'll have all all of what you are supposed to have in that meal so. I'm supposed to have like fourteen hundred car or fourteen hundred calories per day. I break that into five and then I have a higher amount of protein and CARBS and a lower amount of fat. So it's usually like right now. I'm at one thirty protein. One Twenty carbs and thirty five fat. So you're gonNA break down under the five meals so I guess you can do it that way. Like you've got what you have. Then you have the five meals and then you have to break it down into the four and a half coat is a little higher and one other meal a little higher And usually the last two a day are supposed to be a lower and no no starches in the last two meals so much had to learn. I go through this one part for a month or so and then yeah but I told you gotta read this again Re learning something or reinforcing. Something that I have missed along the way if it But when you finally get it if you're a little faster than I am which I'm not the fastest you can break it down so much easier because it's there for you to look at. I'm just lazy. Sorry to say a very interesting balance. Between how much energy you put out versus. How much energy your body like wants your body's energy like needs so if you if you're trying to if you lose six pounds in your super pompton super excited about it It might be logical to think like wow if I just cut out one extra meal. That would help me lose weight faster if I walk a little bit more. But those things as you know Can Lead to disaster so you went too far one way. Got Bigger than you want it. Did you go too far the other way? And that was part of the learning process as well No actually the the the five meals a day is pretty good and the thinking of it. Is that your body knows that it has to work on the food so if you keep feeding it every three hours it's keeps working in that speeds up your metabolism eventually. It didn't happen overnight. I didn't learn all this overnight. It took it's taken three years to figure out what's going on so I would always. I'm like the kid. Why why? Why do I have to do this? Why do I have to do that? Why why can't I have been as opposed to that you know? I'm always asking why so. She would shut me down and explained against but it was all about but yeah it. It's like your body has a mind of its own and when it is starved it holds onto the fat. Because was the fat you can. You can burn a little longer. I want less that my body so I gotta keep feeding it. Sued and protein is bodyworks harder to to digest or disperse nutrients from the protein than it does through carbohydrates or fat. Whoever thought of wanting to have in Les Diet but most everything has got some form of fat in it The carbs I like but a gain like daughter and son in law break things down. They also look at the shape of the body like they can tell what ended dieter. What kind of food? This person can should have or what that one should have. An effect said it's going to happen. That's why I trust them because they know instinctively look just looking at somebody what they can get away with when sometimes when people hear about a certain die or just hear the term Diet. They automatically think that they're gonNA be starving. They're going to be hunting Nile. They think it's their being denied. Something and not what a diet is no? Have you found yourself hungry at all? Oh Yeah there's times when I've been hungry not without like kind of like starving yourself like being without food that you know. Oh God no yeah no. I think I started note. Like she started with them thousand calories a day and I went along like that for boat to three months and I told her when she was visiting one day. I says you know something. I'm I'm getting awful unger anymore. So she upped my calorie intake in. She kept now. She says you've gotTa tell me when you're hungry so I can change what you're eating like what you're supposed to have an intake because at major metabolism is starting to kick in in the end. I think most people don't really understand what is happening with their bodies with food. They just you know eat because not because I'm really hungry because it's there any should never do that if unless you you know if you've got a fast metabolism you can probably get away with that. But most people are like I was they. They start nibbling on stuff and then they they start packing on the pounds and it's hard to get rid of. Why we're there's some other habits you had to adapt to. Did you have to maybe like a watch less? Tv or something like that. Was there a habit that was connected to the food? Maybe had to cut back on or anything. I don't watch TV. Hardly at all. And if I did it was only in the evening and I had some favorite programs. But they don't have the money anymore and I I just don't find TV that interesting unfortunately or fortunately Joan. You're saying something when you're saying something about Diet and denial and I feel like there is something you're about to say there would do you know what it was. I think most people when you say diet are actually thinking that you're denying yourself something and then when I started this was just a few people not too many would say things like A. What can you eat but can you eat at Wayne? I can eat anything. It's just how I put it together and you know like it. It's like okay. You're dieting so you must be not having what you want. No that's not what it's all about diet is the food that you are right and everything that you try and everything that you do in life it's GonNa come with some rules. You know Anything that you can commit yourself to you get married or you go to college and you WanNa get a degree like there's going to be like if you want a degree then you're going to have to show up and you're going to have to do the work in order to get the data and nutrition the same thing that's very very true and like When I started out I think Michelle wanted me to to see greater weight loss and I after like just the first couple of weeks going. Look I don't care about losing a whole bunch of weight real fast. What I want is gradual and maybe keep it off because a lot of people can lose you. Know five ten pounds Just by changing their diet and nothing else but I wanted to look as good as I felt this losing it and I didn't care that I had to take a little longer to do it but when I look back on it that first six months I lost forty pounds in seven or eight months had lost forty five pounds and it seemed like every so many months I will lose another five pounds. I wasn't even trying like it was just. That's the way I was working out and I I thought it was not looking too bad but I certainly didn't have the definition that I have now seven or eight months like the definition I have in my arms especially and even in my legs. I find a big difference in in my in my back. It's just coming with was just doing. The same types of exercises only may be doing more or less with less weight or more weight depending on. If it's a lot of weight than it's it's less Repetitions and if it's very late waits than his more repetitions like everything changes constantly. And I'm still changing. I don't what's going to happen. I'm watching lady. What's going to happen to me but I can't see me at eighty years old doing this but I still would like to have the results I love it. I find it really inspiring that you know it might be many decades for some people that are listening to the show that they take action you know with their fitness or they take action and doing something that maybe they they have never done before. And I think that you've You're a great role model for a lot of people to look up to my mother-in-law she has type two diabetes and I've helped her in the gym and showed her how to squat and how to use different movements and she's she's been doing really well she has Control her blood. Sugar really well. Through Diet exercise simple staff she goes outside goes for a walk and she kind of is questioning now. She's like to be honest. I don't know what I was doing with myself before because this feels so good I was like yeah but it. It takes a while to get to the point. Yeah it takes a little while but it doesn't matter you want you want to have. This is what my daughter kept saying to me. Like you were to be the best of what you can now. It's only to this degree then. It's to this degree it. We don't all develop the same way because we're all different. We all have but I have a tendency to go gung Ho like. I've had my my son-in-law say Joan calm down you don't need to do it that hard but I figured well I have to have to work sweat like if I'M GONNA have any results like that a do this thing you and the thing is well. I have been able to do it in like right now. I injured by backside. How it if I was doing too many squats or if I just move the wrong way. Probably and I`ve. I've had a problem with with that. I've had to reduce my workout even at home quite a bit in the in the last week and a half going. I'm losing patients with going. Why doesn't go away? It won't just go away. We better work through it. I've I've I've been doing virtual physiotherapy There's a few exercises at a Relieved some of the pain and I can sleep through the night now with like I would. I'm a toss returner during my sleep hours and I could do that before like it. It just it would wake me up. I was in such pain in my leg and I can get through the night now without worrying too much about it. It's just during the day that okay. You'd better watch what you're doing and not overdo it so if I have an exercise that I'm trying to Get through and if I feel the least twinge in that area I stopped because I know that by progressing pushing through that hurt. It's only gonNA make it worse. I want to get it fixed so I can go on with how I was before I was. I was able to run up and down stairs. That's how good I got and now I care John I 'cause first off I I can't wait to talk more about like your exercise habits and stuff because that's a big deal. You're you're absolutely jacked. It's crazy but I WANNA go. I WANNA I wanna ask you about this because you were mentioning how you would like to Nibble on food here and there for myself. In the past I was a snack. King like I would always have some sort of small little thing on deck in case I didn't have a big meal and that was one of the big things that always kept body fat on me. I had to just get snacks out of the house. I don't have it anymore so for you. How did you fix that situation? How did you go about dealing with potential snacking? Well it's hard being in host with someone who always had stacks around and my husband has asked and not give him up because of me so I was starting to go down to Mexico more often. And that's where I would be right now and I don't have any snacks down there. Just they don't have it in the house and it was easy. If without the snacks it easy to lose weight without even trying it is. It's funny but it is. GotTa eat it. It's got to go in the most. How long have you been married for fifty three years? Oh Wow our our co host here. Andrew he's going to get married coming up. I think in about two weeks. Oh it's congratulations to you. What's the what's the key factor? How do we hold it together for so long Being able to compromise. That's a big deal like But don't always be the one like it's gotTa be two way street here. It's come pretty close at times. I'm pretty close But Yeah I think if if you can if you're able to compromise and where could I be agreeable If it's not a major thing then people to back down if it's major than you have to work it through. What about like date night or having time free you know now that you're older and the kids are out of the house and stuff like that. Probably you're probably around each other quite a bit but like was that ever a thing that ever important or you guys always made time for that anyway. I think it's important Has Happened. Unfortunately we're we're together because we're used to each other button. Let's say back my face. Okay I didn't say that the back of it listen anyway. You mentioned earlier that you had to get used to technology and stuff like that. And we're you referring to like using an APP to count your calories and things like that all that all that stuff yet even. I didn't have a phone. I've got got an Apple Sola now I had. I had an emergency phone like one of those ones that only use by was in trouble Ipad got an apple IPAD. That's what I'm talking to you on. I finally bought an apple computer. I still haven't really worked at. I wanted it for business part of this but I need someone to to show me the ropes. I I have a computer which personal computer which I've played games on to get bored but otherwise I I'm always busy. I've got a big yard and Flower beds and all would steps. My backyard. Looks like a park. I like riding my bike. Exercise I gotTa do that today. It's bad it they now. Do you help your friends with technology with their phones and stuff. I'd imagine like I could piss you around your your buddies and stuff and and they don't know what they're doing with their phone you like give me that darn thing. No no no. I don't think I'm smart enough for that. I have enough trouble trying to do it myself. if someone asked me something. I probably would try and figure it out with them like the Kazakhs hit. Miss was me. That's how I learned on my computer. No-one taught me. I just you know Showed me how to turn it off but I would just kept pressing buttons. That's what my daughter. Don't press anything until you know what you're doing but I wanNA know what what this does and what that you know you have quite the following on on social media. What are your thoughts on like? Instagram and stuff like you must find it motivating otherwise. I don't think you'd be doing it right. Seven hundred thousand Holy Grenell. I saw that today. Anyway we'll walk. I'm over summited thousand now My daughter got me on that Winless I think it was November of two thousand eighteen. She wanted for me to be able to talk to other people because I was more of an introvert and she thought it would help if I you know with other people because I didn't have to be in the same room with the Mike and talk to them. If I wanted to so I I thought live took it kind of seriously. I will if people are willing to talk to me. I guess I should talk back to them. So it started out that way and then Actually that winter. I think I'm pretty sure it was that winter is it was the new year's thing hip thrust went. I think it was two thousand like new years of his eighteen and it just like it just went crazy in just kept going building more and more and more people saw me and talk to me and talk to their friends in sort of just like a domino's effect then. I got on well before that I was. I started with the Magazine that was wild thing. Just different little things that my daughter got me into a photo shoot. Never did a photo shoot my life. Don't what I'm doing what I'm doing. But anyway they called me a natural. I'm going okay. Whatever his tell me what to do it's hard work. If you're a model I tell you that you feel like a human pretzel going one way. Your body's another way your hips another way in the end you gotta hold. It really keeps smiling really all all of this. Just a hip thrust hippocratic powerful hips over. There try it pounds. Yeah yeah it is but She just kept putting it on and I just. I wasn't paying much attention. She says try that. We'll try. Sorry what was your husband receptive in the beginning and What is it? What are his thoughts? Now with like social media and everything how it's blown up he was not receptive at the beginning of voice. Fun of me because it took longer for me to figure out what I was. GonNa eat than it did to eat it. He always make automate. I think he's a has come around quite a bit. He does the grocery shopping and he's starting to buy what I say I want. Or should yeah. He's doing pretty good and he any. I guess a little bit of the Backlash People. I've Seen Joan on on instagram Blah Blah Blah Blah and so he gets The doesn't really say too much to me about it but I hear it from other people that he yeah Franks wrote me a bit. Has there been any negative backlash that that you've dealt with like has there been any comments at actually like hurt you or really bugged. You cannot imagine most of. It's very positive I would. I would I would say ninety five percent of its positive and in a while I get a a comment. I have some people they really. They're telling me I'm not real. I'm on steroids. I'm going what are you talking about you have you? Don't even know me. You don't know what are we. I eat what I do only supplements. I have our protein powders. Bca's set Women's best had as like it's like a powder thing that helps with your absence or whatever you put in your water makes it tastier. I guess it has a little more benefits with it but I don't think they're steroids Omega Three Fish. Oil or the Omega Three. Just plain oil I take by the tablespoon won one today and Multivitamins how could that be steroids? Yeah but I. I don't know if you ever saw the youtube one with the Doug Disad Greg Greg. Yeah well one of the guys at the the Jim said here. You got to listen to this. You gotTA listen to this. And he brought it up to me in This guy was talking away talk. And then he gets halfway through and then he's really starts ranting and saying what. I think is she gotta be having help flake steroids any was reading on and on and going. I started laughing. Glenn what the heck is he talking to vote? Yeah and then I told other people. Listen to this guy ran he. It was just funny in the kid. Said he says you know that's a backhanded compliment to you. But you look as good as you do without taking steroids. Because him and his father in their friends like they seem we work out. They know what I do and I'm not taking anything but water. That's got a bit of acid Senate. I think people aren't used to seeing women with muscle still to this day which they should At some point you figure they should get over it but most women aren't aren't built like you. I think that's what people are recognizing so like holy crap because you've been working out hard for about two years and that's That's pretty fast. Pretty fast progress but again like most of the time with a with a lot of females. They're working out really hard. They're trying to do their diet. The best they can and they don't really see maybe some of the same results that that you're enjoying. What kind of workout are you doing? Are you kind of lifting heavy? Are you doing more bodybuilding? Do you use a combination of things like I do a combination of things but when you see those pictures of me with when it's on flexing by muscle that's not what I looked like the time. It's it's a flex and I looked pretty ordinary. I don't think I look any. But when I do exercises yes I could see when they were when they're taking pictures of me and I see them afterwards. Yeah my back looks. Pretty darn good My shoulders pretty dawn. It's it's extremely good. I can only go by what someone tells me. And my daughter gets me to pose a certain way. And and okay put your hand inside your your hip. And and that's what happens and if I was just relaxed you wouldn't see that People John. I'm really curious about this too on on top of what mark just asked Before you started doing all the weight training that you're doing now and you got into the like exercise you said you had a gym membership but at that point. Did you enjoy exercising like you? You mentioned that you're about to go on a bike ride after this. Did you enjoy it because now it looks like you enjoy it and it's become a habit so I wanNA know. How did it shift into something that you really like to do? And it's just part of your life. Well I didn't have much trouble going to the gym. I do it every other day. I thought you know every other day should be fine so in two weeks time I would have what seven yeah seven workouts in two weeks time and I thought that should be enough. I wasn't losing as well as I wanted to do but I did have a trainer one point with her. I lost a lot and I know like with her she. She took all my measurements. She goes. I've never had anyone that I've trained lose weight off their neck like you do and I'm going. Yeah I got next. I can be like my head sitting in there on the shoulder. Yeah I take after my dad. I guess not in some respects but again I can't understand why I have developed the muscles that I have except maybe I've got more to toss thrown in my body than I should have. I don't know how do I know you're mentioned earlier. You mentioned earlier that you are Not Happy Looks like you're really happy now. You're smiling a lot Have you have you noticed that you smile a lot? More and Are just happy or talking to people and more confident and things like that. Yeah because you're here where you are and I'm where I am knew that I might not I might clam up if I was in are you. Are you kind of an introvert a little bit a little bit of that? Yeah usually that's what I was. I ended up being that way. 'cause I can remember as a kid. My mom was always because they came from a very secluded village. It wasn't normal for you to talk to strangers in you know like she was very protective. That way and I came from a large family there were seven of its kids so but I was the oldest girl and I kind of had to take on the second mom too late siblings because my mom went out to work in all. It's it's just a different way that I grew up and I ended up being more. I wasn't a party girl. I always had home looking after my siblings. So anyway change me and now I'm changing and I like it. I'm curious about this because obviously the in the time you grew up very different than the Times like these times now like Internet all these changes. It's it's it's wild but are there any things that you see currently that you're like wow like it's where that these kids are doing this or it's weird that they're like you know you see kids like their eyes are glued to their phone permanently like there's always a phone in front of them and that's not how things used to be. What do you like what do you think I? I really don't like that when when I saw how. The folds are being used when they started really getting popular. You have a family walking down the street. Mother is pushing a Stroller as a kid to unite walking with other people. They're all on their phones and I'm trying to figure out what. Why are they on their phones When they're together like that I could never figure out even with when my Daughter started a into this some training. Stephan that she always had to have her phone go to a restaurant. She's got she's got her full she's I don't appreciate that like why am I here? If we'RE NOT GONNA talk you're on the phone it was. It was a a to me it was like a social snub when people gathered together. And they're all on their own individual foods. What's the point? I could never figure it out. What is still can't figure out what the point is. If you're with people be with the people in person be there now. You know something. This pandemic has really done a good number on a lot of people where they have to be home. They have to pay attention to people to other people like kids or spouse or whatever because it. You can't do anything else you know. You've got your phone that you can phone people but you have you. You're you're stuck in a situation and it's changing a lot of people Their priorities are going to change. And I think it's a good thing it's the technology it just think of it. If we lost all this technology what the heck would you do? If you don't Wanna how to socialize you know on your own and you can't use the phone what are you. GonNa do shrivel up and die like gets you've got to realize that we need to step back again. I agree with you one hundred percent. I actually think that we should pretend that. We don't have these technologies. They're going to try to use technology to get us out of this. They think that they could possibly have APPs to detect. Who HAS IT? Who doesn't and so on and I think the absolute reverse of that since we've survived so long without it. We shouldn't have the interference of of technology. I think it just. I think the waters just makes things worse personally. Well Technology is great in its place but it shouldn't take over your life. That's that's all I'm saying it's it shouldn't be the be all and end all just like money money's nice to have but it shouldn't be the thing that you're living for. You can't take it with you can spend foolishly You can get yourself into a lot of trouble that way If I think as being present with people that so much more important all the technology or all the money you've got you you've just gotta come back down to the basics and we surround ourselves with things and not with what really matters. You Got Ninety three as a Kid House. Good you got. You got in shape at a really good time. I mean you got in shape. You know BEF- before this pandemic otherwise would be you know kind of a targeted thing of this Corona virus because of your your age but you're fit Do you have concerns about it? Well Hell I don't have any it. Look at it. If sliver life hands you you're GONNA have to deal with if that's the only way I can look at it. I'm not gonNA sit around stew about it not gonNA get anywhere. I'll say I love your outlook on that in what you just said because A lot of people because they're stuck at home a lot of people are making the excuse like I can't really get in shape now because I don't have a gym. There's not really much I can do. But like there's still so much you can do. What have you been doing now? Do you still have access to weights or are you working at home? He said you're going to buy I work at home. And I have a limited amount of weight loss. I've got to five pound weights. One eight pound weight to kettlebells fifteen pounds each and I have the bands the small ones and the long ones. Okay and you can do an awful lot with disbands. Never mind any other ways just that resistance training. That's all you need to keep to keep at least stable. What I've been doing. My daughter's got me doing and I had to put it on. Hold because of injury I got is a half hour whole workout without props like to bottles of dumb laundry detergent with handles on them or two jugs of water like four liter. Water bottles that you can work with Bosch clause so your can slide. This quite a few things you can do without having any kind of props and That you work with every day. It's just how you're working with them so I do a half hour Usually seven exercises and it's a three sets of Of those exercises in the half an hour. So I'm sweating by the time I finished. I don't know how I've done I. Just you know but people keep telling me that old. I look forward to your your Saturday morning. Workout wrangling. Good good glad I could help somebody. But it's you know they always say how do I start? How do we start am I? Answer is just keep moving. That's a lot of people are on the couch. They're you know they're sitting down on the computer. They're doing what but they're not moving and you have to move. Just keep moving. Yeah Walk. It's Great. What's what's like your best squat and what's your best like bench press and? I don't know if I'm not sure if you dead lift and stuff like that too. I'm not very good at the bench. Press because I've got a above left shoulder. I do it but I think the seventy the bars usually forty five pounds. And I think it's seventy five or ninety. Five pounds is about the most second list. It's it's if I if I didn't wasn't one shoulder. I think I could do better but I gotta work with got. Have you tried a slingshot before you ever seen those? Things slingshot for like bench. Press and PUSHUPS. You ever seen that for how you. Yeah you guys sent me some. Oh there you go. Did you gotTA give it a try? Benchpress I tell you it. That is a great great thing when you're doing What is it Your push ups dips chips. Push Lab La Brain Fart. Yeah they it's it's a great thing. I love it about the squat and dead. Lift where he out with that stuff. I like The slingshot knee me sleeves. They really make my legs feel like I can. Do it like get down and get up it enough compression that I just feel stable. I really like that's high. Forgot I was gonNA tell you. Thank you so much. You're sending that to me. They've they're great. Just absolutely great Slav and I don't know how much I can. I've used the Kettle Bell at the gym the Her kilograms eighteen kilogram one for you know the swing. Swing your leg swings. And that's as high as I can go and I don't with any of the barbells I think. Twenty five for most of it. I have used thirty in my Drives up your choice up overhead. That's his that's his heavy as I can go but as far as that's fine. I probably can't do that now because I haven't done it for so long but Yeah that's about the weight and I and I've gone the hip thrust. I've been up to two twenty five you. I'm curious about this John before you started like 'cause you're working out every other day Before you got into the shape your now. Are there any like pains that you used to have that? You don't have any more a lot of back pain and I don't have that anymore because I think I've strengthen my back with the exercises that Gave me earlier on And I think a lot of people that are big complaint. They have back pain in their frayed to do anything about it. But the thing is you're GonNa go through some discomfort. Getting rid of that back. Pain is not going to go away overnight and As long as you don't do anything too crazy with weights Like you've got to build up To do these reps and stuff like that in the weight always start off lower. It will pick up a five pounds weight. Legal August is nothing. But you try doing your Shoulder presence ladder lateral metal versus lateral raises with five pounds. When you have to do twenty of them by the time you get to twenty it feel heavy up and a half eight ten twelve no I. I've I've gone up to twelve pounds and it's really getting hard because you can really feel it in the shoulder when you're doing the lateral raises so people tend to think. Well they pick pick up. Wait let doesn't feel very heavy but Repetitions you're doing anything repetitively is going to get. It's GonNa feel heavier and heavier the more times you do it. It sets a as up what I found anyway but yeah I had back pain and I don't very very ever feel any back pain now are you are you. I've been retired for a lot of years now. I've got a question for you on that. Like wouldn't the so now that we're in quarantine like a lot of people. Don't have a schedule but I think like if you don't have a schedule if you don't set one yourself then I think that you might really slide downhill so it's been retired for a long time. You probably have come to this realization yourself like it's just super important to have a routine at super important to eat similar times a day take a shower or similar times a day. What could you share with regard? That's been helpful to you. Well I I like doing my workouts in the morning. 'cause I I feel that I've got more energy and I've kept that routine from before I was retired. there are certain things. I did each day at the same time pretty well and I've tried to keep that within an hour of of each thing that I do like I've shown you have to have to keep a plant sort of a loose plan at least if you're GONNA get anywhere. Otherwise you're you're at you don't know what does up even but did. I answer your question. I think I'm having another brain you know. Do you ever struggle. With like lack of motivation. Even you do have the habits set in place. You have the routine. You have the schedule but do you ever have any challenges when it comes to that because we've been hearing a lot of people with like they have the gym now now. They're stuck working out at home. That's an excuse yes it is. It's nothing but an excuse. Yeah I could have used that years ago too but I've been through the smell and I know you can't make excuses for yourself if you want. If you WANNA get anywhere you've gotta put in a hundred percent doesn't matter what it is that you're doing one hundred percent or nothing. Just how I think we need to work out together sometime. Where are you anyway the states? I'm in California. Oh all my good people are California. Where where are you located up in Kerio Canada? We'll sit that you You did like before you retired. What what was your work government. I worked for the Ministry of Transportation Examination guessing. That's a job where you had to like. Sit a lot or not yet. Okay what's your message to Someone that's listening to this. That just hasn't gotten started yet. You know what's what's something I can fire them up inspire them to get their butts in the gym. 'cause you know as of two three years ago you didn't know anything about this and now look you're at I think everyone should have an idea of what they want for themselves. And like I just finished saying anything you do. You do it one hundred percent and you're GonNa do it for yourself. You'RE NOT GONNA do get into shape because someone else said he should. You're GonNa do it because you want to you want. Do you want a better life for yourself? You WanNa be happier than do what you want. it's it's gotta come from was in like if I hadn't been ready didn't matter because my daughter had been after me for several years and it came to that point where I just. I was sick of what I was doing by thing was. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired and it's true if you want something than you go after it. There's no one stopping you but you that's all I can say Just go for it. You don't you're not gonna not everyone's GonNa Clammy or like solidity on not none that. Nobody's perfect for. We're all trying but we're never GONNA get there. Ain't nobody on this earth. That's per back sorry to say where can people find you? And where can they follow along with that workout that you're going to do tomorrow? I've not going to do it to more because I'm not healed enough yet. Oh Yeah I've got to put it off for another week. I'm on facebook but that's more privates with friends and relatives instagram Youtube. You can plug me in on city TV OR CBC. The seventy three year old. That's what it was when they were doing program with me so you can. Yeah you WANNA in Youtube. I think it's just One Guy said he put it in as seniors exercising or something in my name popped up and it was so funny. 'cause it was my first time in New York City we're doing a Oh my God. There goes again promote promoting a product. Anyway and we got to go to the gym and this guy came up to me out of the blue and asked me if I was joking trading with Joan and I just about fell over anyway. That's what he had done. He put he put in on Youtube Seniors training or something like that and I came up my name came up in Houston Tall. Sent like it's just blow you away. I can't even fathom the technology that brings me into other people's lives. Just it's daunting thank you so much for your time today. We really appreciate it and I think you you know a lot more than you give yourself credit for like the information that you gave us today you had a ton of wisdom and a ton of great advice and a ton of really when you were explaining your macro. I don't know what I'm talking about. I thought you explained it really really well. 'cause you laid it out so simply so You're obviously getting it. Were inspired by you and Hopefully this gets sent around to a bunch of different people so they can be inspired by it as well. Well thank you so much for even having me letting me blather on. Oh my God. I do runoff up. Sometimes when I get talking to people in at least showing some interest which is really great. Thank you much like your product. Oh thank you so much have a great rest of your day. Yes thank you. Thank you great one. You too bye bye. She got me so high man like what she was saying. Certain things and she's like yeah. I don't snack yeah I keep moving. Everything is just so perfect. Yes yes she was great especially you know especially with so many people talking about fasting. We talk a lot about fasting here on the PODCAST and Don't forget there's always more than one way to go about doing it. And some people might have gotten lost when she started talking a little bit and they might have said Hey. That's that's kind of a myth. That's not necessarily true but the things that she said actually are true and you can you know quote Unquote Ecu metabolism. We don't really know we don't. We don't really know what that means. However if you if you eat less and less food than you're training your body to be efficient with less and less food therefore your body is more than likely going to burn less food. I mean there's still a lot more that we just don't know that's kind of the basics of it so by her saying you know you feed the system and it's GONNA burn. A lot of that makes sense. A lot of bodybuilders have utilized that over the years with With great success. And if you really listen to what she was saying is she has a good amount of energy. Each day she feels good every day. She still dropping weight. But it's very very slowly so she continues to get in a little bit better shape and she also has lost over forty five pounds. I think maybe closer to fifty pounds now total And it's been something that she's been able to keep off as well and she doesn't look like she's going to be you know reversing out of that anytime soon. So she's done a I just thought that was Really really awesome information even though she was kind of claiming that she doesn't know a lot. I thought she was very well informed which was known frigging awesome like I I know. She probably literally doesn't care about her instagram following. But like if somebody else had seven hundred thousand followers they would probably act like. They knew more than they actually did. She's on the opposite end. She's acting like she doesn't know as much as he actually does. And even with she's still saying I'd still need to learn. This is a learning process so like her workouts are going to change. Her Diet is going to change. Its all GonNa evolve because she's still learning and asking questions and I mean do. That's amazing. I love that. Yeah it was like I remember. She said the the simple thing of like People don't move like like mean mark the video. You sat on the Energy Balance Right. You know you'll work out your workout. Then you'll get tired of probably set down. You won't move as much right so you won't be ended up losing some weight but if you work out but then you also have good habits of not sitting so much standing taking walks etc. You'RE GONNA burn more calories. That's just a simple thing mu little bit more along with exercise and that's a habit she has. You know it's a big deal so all of these simple things that she was talking about if you actually apply it boom. You're you're GONNA be there and there's there's things that you can You can try to do things for day two days three days a week or so and then sometimes it just start to your candle starts to kind of burn out like just. Don't WanNa do it anymore. And that's that's the energy balance thing it doesn't necessarily happen in in in a day. You know you can very easily go for three ten minute walks in a day and you can you can exercise. Pretty hard Maybe twice in that same day but are you going to do that for like ten years straight and the other thing is like. Do you need to do that for ten? That's other thing is like. Let's try to find an optimal balance. That's why someone like Rhino. He's like I work out for about forty five minutes. I do it about five days a week. He tries to go and he does like dips and pull ups and squats. Maybe he'll dead lift here and there he just doing like kind of the basic movements. Maybe some overhead pressing. He's getting what he needs from the gym. And he's getting the hell away from also make sure he making sure that he sleeps all the time. He's also making sure that he's replacing. Those workouts with really sound nutrition nutrients and vitamins minerals all the stuff that you need to continue to move forward each and every day because otherwise you start to kind of run yourself ragged. And then you're like I should. I should like once you start getting into that kind of conversation. You kind of already once you start. Having that conversation you normally going to lose it. You will lose it at some point. Like your willpower. It can be strong but if you're always relying on it it will wear thin very quickly. Yeah no that that. That's such a big deal because like it's crazy. How many people are relying on outer motivations? Be Able to get themselves in shape or to be able to get moving. Do do the simple things. They're relying on motivation. And Right now. They've given up but exactly what she said. It's simply just an excuse like it needs to turn into something. I think you mentioned the day. Something as simple as brushing your teeth. That's what this needs to turn into. And it's GonNa take time it's gonNA take repetition of doing that but after you do it for a while you'll enjoy it and then you'll you'll seek that feeling that you have after you finish working out you brush your teeth so your teeth are healthy right to stick. Your breath doesn't stink so your teeth are healthy. Teeth are falling out of your head. So it's it's just a practice of of health and then if you can just think how can I? Can I do the same thing with my body? You know going for a walk and getting in some sort of workout something where your heart rate goes up so then where you breathe a little bit heavy. I mean every day you should you should be in some deep thought every day you should breath hard every day. You should Love and be loved every day. You should People Saves you cry. I don't know if you need to go that far. But you should have some empathy like these are all things that you your your body mind and spirit should be running through almost every single day and it is a lot. It's a lot that goes on right. It cost you a lot but you should be and laughing smiling like shit banned. Those things are crucial. And you'll find yourself in the give and take of. The human body is is amazing because the better shape that you're in the better that you think that you look it doesn't even matter how you look if you just think that you look good. You'll probably smile more. And if you're thinking that you look good you probably have a body or smile that you're proud of and that's probably why you're gleaming from ear to ear you know so it's all a factor as she said within you know. She talked about it coming from within. I thought that that was really true. Like you're not GonNa get in shape because Andrew Chelsea that you're fat. You're not going to get in shape because so and so tells you that you're fat or that you need to be in better shape. You're going to get in shape because you decided that you need to. Yeah that was my favorite part right. There was when she was talking about how to come from within. I know we just had. Ross Edge Liane Sane Bay pretty much the same thing just in a different accent but I mean I absolutely love that. And it's also that's GonNa take time for people to understand too because they're gonNA see the rock on instagram and I WANNA look like that like okay. We'll understand you're probably not going to that way but if you can internalize it and make it for yourself then you'll become a version of that won't be or you know what I mean. Does that make sense? Are you sure like all these years? I've been really trying to be dwayne. You know every single morning I look at myself in the mirror. I'm like you'RE DUANE. You're doing you're not working. You have a better taper than him so I would say like if you WanNa look more like him. You gotta get a little bit thicker like beat more around you but you know something that Jones said when she's talking about people on their phones right and then and now the pandemic it got me thinking like even before this whole quarantine and whatever people were already social distancing and not even realizing it may be organised far from other people physically but when you go out and you see people not really talking to each other. Just literally on their phone all the time in front of everybody. We've already been doing a version of this for awhile. He is. Yeah that's like when you know had been saying like it's just fast forwarded things like kids were already living in the virtual world. Now they're perfect. There's nowhere else to go before. They had an option now just like net. That's just what you do. And then we were already relying on technology to get through our days and now that's the only way we can get through our days. Let's say that let's say all three of US went on a walk right if all three of us were to go on a walk and we didn't have headphones on and we weren't looking out our phones and we were maybe not in conversation right. Let's say that we're not talking at all. Which is kind of uncommon. We all we know each other really well and so that wouldn't be too weird but we're also not like family so we're not that close to where we would just be walking endlessly and no one saying anything right but I think that that's that's the stuff that people are missing right there. Because she was talking about being engaged in conversation and I don't think it has anything to do with being engaged in conversation it has to do with. Kinda calming down your mind and your body and your on a walk and if we were all three of US Rana Walk. I would kind of be thinking about you guys. Even if we didn't say anything. Do you know what I mean on talking about. Like you just Kinda like you need to be with your significant other just because you need to be. It's not necessarily some others compromises right. It's not about what you WANNA watch. You know it's not assess because if it's if it's about what you WanNa Watch then you can be in two different rooms watch two different things. Not a huge problem but if that happens all the time that is a massive problem you know it you have to just be with each other and I've talked about this before two. It's not people always talk about like quality time and I don't think you need to worry about quality time. You just need a lot of time. You need quantity time either. Figure out how can we be together? But it can't be with you if you're concentrating on your phone because even if you're on your phone for a minute it's a minute that you're not concentrate on me. It's a minute that you're not thinking about. You know what we're engaged in so again using us as an example if we're on a walk I'm thinking about you guys. I'm thinking about the podcast. I think about a new guest or we might want. You guys may come up with a new concept and then we'll get talking and we'll get engaged in conversation but the conversation itself isn't the most important thing the most important thing is that we're with each other and that we're thinking about each other guy twenty four seven mile away. Yeah I feel like it's it's it grounds. You you know like looking Edison electrical outlet. You know it has that big prong in the middle without it. Weird and prongs Yes when I think about you guys. You're my pangs. I think on what you guys said a really good idea because like trying to remember the last time I may be the settlers last week. I don't do much more when I go on walks instead of taking my phone. Leave my phone and take a notebook be when I when I go on walks. I don't have my phone. Might like I just come up with cool new ideas. I wouldn't be able to come up with if I wasn't in front of something if something else wasn't taking my attention and when you're walking and you're you're on your phone even if you're listening to music that stuff has your attention than it. It's it's limiting you from being able to religious. Have your thoughts and think about new things. We should have somebody on the podcast that talks about going for a walk in nature. I I really think it's neat. How so many of these podcasts connected? And it's it's probably because of the you know biased towards certain people. I'm sure there's like some quantum reasons why work contracted a certain people that we choose that. Come on the show but it's amazing. How much in common? How much everyone kind of links together and weaves together? It seems like it happens. Just kind of over and over and over you up. It's really weird but it's really don't man not do Jones Energy. I was just so hype wiles listening like I was just so excited just because the energy that she brought in the things that she was talking about like God brilliant. Can't I can't wait to share this with you? Know all of my. My elders elders. I don't mean like Super Bowl is this you know like my parents in-law's sister like everybody. Let me say it's fair to say she's old you know There's quarters of your life. I would say right. She's inches in the fourth. She's getting close to the fourth quarter. I almost you know. Let's say let's say that we are hopeful and we live to a hundred right like the. Yeah she didn't close to the fourth quarter so it's fair to say that she's a an an older person right but she's still very capable and I think that that's something that's that's really important. I know like when my dad was sick in the hospital. My Dad was in the hospital for like sixty. Something straight days atrophied a lot he got a really small and I think I think he may be got down one hundred thirty forty pounds or something it was. It got to be really really rough. I mean it was. You know we we. We basically accepted. The fact that he was he was gone. You know we went through all that process and We we were hopeful that he would come out the other end okay but You know having to go through that process and go and go through all that my only concern the entire time was look if he is able to survive this like please. Let's have his mind still be strong because of his mind is strong than he can still do whatever he'd like to do. I Know How much my dad loves to interact with people. He loves to TALK TO PEOPLE He's been doing taxes for the last forty years or so and he loves helping people. He loves giving them financial advice. He loves to be able to communicate with people. He's pretty. He's pretty happy and I was like man. If that part of him is compromised then we would be better off with it being over as as nasty as that sounds. I mean I just I thought to myself because I know how much he enjoys like the interaction with people. But you know I was mentioning you guys just in a text daily. I don't I I realize that I'm not the seventy but I think forty three and having thirty years of training under my belt some people would say yeah. That's that's you know. That's that's that's getting their right but I I don't feel like I don't feel anything. I don't feel old. Nothing hurts my right. Knee has a little bit of like tendinitis. But that's been there since I've been like sixteen or seventeen years old. I used to love playing basketball and I would never stop playing even though my knee would swell up and I probably did something to it a long time ago and got it checked out and it's probably as simple as getting it scoped or something like that but you know. I don't I don't ever ever get anything. Checked out for some reason but Anyway I I don't think that you have to because you're getting older. I don't think that means that you need to be old. I think you can always try to keep your mind young. You can always try to keep your brain young age. It always try to end one of the key factors be around young people and that's been really helpful for me at slingshot. The entire staff is is very young and that that helps me. It just helps me all kinds of stuff. It's motivational inspiring. It's it's cool to see and Seema during the different moves that he's doing with the cattle ballots inspiring to have worked out with you guys either down the stairs and I feel like I can still do really well. Even though it was you know it was kicking all of our asses. I'm looking at Encima and I'm like he's you know he's in his twenties. He's fucking Jack and this is just cool that I'm able to be on the stairs with them like never mind trying to like go. Head to head with them or anything and Seeing Jessica Smith Doing Strongman stuff in the gym and all the different athletes. All the people that we've had come in through it keeps you young. And then we've had we've had Jay Cutler come through. We've had Stan efforting we've had Dr Sean Baker. Look at Sean Baker. How good he looks right now. He's looking Jack he's looking shredded. These are guys that that aren't young. These guys that competed at a high level and they continue to put up points on the scoreboard. They continue to look great to Andrew. You member you've mentioned this before that book The old people and they got around some young people can you. You know that better than me. Can you please tell inform the public about that? Yeah it was so they they just took a group of elderly people will say that they were. You Know Jones Age They took them into like this retreat. And there's like hey for the next two weeks you're gonNA live the way you lived by. I think it was like forty years ago. Whatever it may be or maybe it was more than that will. Just for. Argument's sake say was sixty years ago and everything the TV the newspapers magazines. Everything was as it was sixty years ago. And they're like only talk about things that are topical sixty years ago only and so these old people they like limped into this facility. You know they were on on On walkers wheelchairs whatever by the end they were all playing like touch football running around the place and so what ended up happening basically as they they made their minds younger and like they even did some like legit tests with like I. I don't remember exactly what tests they ran. Muscle fibers. Whatever you want you can can imagine. And they show that their bodies actually did get younger all because they just put their mind in that state they were able to age the other way. Yeah don't let your mind be on a Walker Right I. I was running in Iran Iran the same hill that I showed you guys the other day and I. I got another PR in there. But I was always running it I was. I got to a point where I'm like. Oh man like okay like I really. I really feel that. I'm trying to deny the fact that it's getting difficult right. I'm trying to like reinterpreted as something different. I might all right you just breathing hard like no big deal. Just keep moving your fee. It's one foot in front of the other and the more that you go down that path and the more you think that way harder gifts because really truthfully If you if it was really easy for you just breeze through it and you wouldn't even really think about it right but I was just thinking about okay like what. If an Hanes was here like campaigns I it would be like he would show me that. There's a completely. There's another level to this right. He would show me like pay. Here's what the human body is capable of and he put an eagle flying right up the hill and two minutes or whatever right and so I was just kind of keep that in mind like yes. This is a this is a A kind of a a difficult pace for me but it won't be a difficult pace for me a while from now. 'cause I'm gonNA adapt to this. I'll get used to this. I'm sure campaigns wasn't able to do this stuff he's able to do now. You know twenty years ago and stuff like that so I I've been kind of thinking along those lines which is really fun for me. Having been exercising for so long. There's so much other shit I can get good at Encima like you could start working on hand. Stan walks or something something. You haven't really done before and I commend you about your kettlebells. I'm like that's awesome like I'd I'd I don't remember seeing you do much with kettlebells before and now here you are seeing around these kettlebells doing these full on you know. Forty five minute Kettle Bell workout with a pretty damn heavyweight. So it's amazing what you can adapt to you and I think having Joan on the podcast today was amazing. Because she didn't start her fitness journey until she was seventy one years old and the thing is like they met frustrates. Me about like I guess what she was saying. When people on social media like oh. You must be doing this. You must be doing about like come on people like did you see her before picture you. There's no there's no negativity that should be linked towards that. If anything it should just be people like God. Dang I'm thirty something I'm forty something. I'm fifty something. I should be able to do something like that. Like come on thing I saw Sean. Baker is going to get a A test I don't know if like like the thing that he competes or whatever the rowing I'm not sure if they wanted him to get a test or whatever but I know that somebody else has been challenging him as well band I think the two things has happened to. Kinda hit at the same time so he was like yes. I'm finally going to get tested. So you guys can you guys can see or whatever but you know. It's it's never enough for people you know like its own who who ran the test or you could just. Yeah you could just pay you know Zuckerberg. You could just just pay pay any person for like. Pass your test or whatever you know. It's never going to be if we if we try to do a nutty professor test. They would be like you. Were going to test me. Mark Mark Bell ran the tests. And of course he's GonNa say natural right yeah. He's doing doing it so long. He knows when to cycle off to pass a test. And Yeah Yeah and I just for Sean Baker I I. He always puts it out there. Like oh you vegans. Don't think that I'm natty. I will do any tests if you pay for it. So He's a he's always challenging people at a challenge him and I think he's like so finally stepped up. We'll see if you ponies up for the test or not. I don't think anybody would say anything. Sean Baker if they saw him in person he's a monster so big six foot. Four the rip your arms off and beat you over the head with them and eat it. I don't think I mentioned this. Cnc My I don't know if it was real or if it was like messing around or what it was but I just saw it kind of in passing that Is it Nikki? Rod Nicki Rodriguez. I think he is in Debbie. Yeah no I saw that. He's He's doing the wwe next thing or whatever. So he'll I don't know what's next is but I guess it's like yeah. He's getting into that. That dude is acrobatic and massive. He tells me he'll be amazing for that. He's got the right the right personality for you know along with all the credentials that he has he should be really good wrestling. Oh yeah he's got he's got a really I guess magnetic type of personality and he just doesn't give a fuck and he says what just says what he wants to say so he's GonNa Kill Them and he's young he's only twenty. Three two is crazy. I love that he just Kinda came into the jujitsu world and started flipping it on. Its head right. Pretty much just started fucking black belts along with his partner Gordon Ryan who by the way Gordon Ryan. I think Got His black belt in like four years under donahue and started destroying the top Nogi black belts it's as an American. It's just unheard of Man What Ryan would be crazy. It was that the guy that was like he made his own version of Ju Jitsu and people were getting upset that Keenan Cornelius. I think he has a school in somewhere in so cal and it's Aj American Yeah Brazilians. Were not happy about that. But yeah that's cool it's like. Hey you did it this way. I'M GONNA do it this way instead. I think this is better and then actually be able to beat people with it. It's great you know like something about Keenan. If people know he develops or he refined Lapel Guard and pretty much You can coin that Sakina and people have been using that in tournaments and it's changed the way people have to play the game so when you change the way people do martial art that's been here for over sixty years a that's reminded me When we get off the podcast because wouldn't mind just texted me and I I can get some of these guys. I've been in contact with them before but we're trying to get them here and stuff like that but now that we have the situation we could just you know very easily do a zoom interview. I'd be really cool to make contact with them especially like going into the wwe. That's that's like really really interesting because like it's a you know I mean you got to like get paid. He's still young. You know he could. He could wrestle for seven years and be out of it by time. He's thirty two to thirty three years old. Something like that and it's pretty neat. Yeah now text me man. I bid definitely be open. Because like Gordon's doing a podcast with flo right now and I think yes they just. They've had a few interesting people on so be super easy to do awesome. What else you guys got going on. Today I'm going to make the next part of this. Like fat loss. Autopilot thing finish it up and then I'm GonNa do another. I'm GONNA do a workout because I've been worked out yet. I want to do some jump. Roping any no the stupid thing that I really just realized as we were talking when John mentioned bands. I have some bands here and I could have been doing some dope banded kettlebells swings by just having this whole time How would you be missing out on did stuff so the bad would be on your feet? Kinda like if you're standing on a band and you know you'd maybe do upright row raises but you on it through the middle of the Kettle Bell Right. Run it through the middle of the kettle bell and the swing gets harder at the top. So you really have to drive through hard and then it comes back and yeah down fast. Yeah I'd imagine that. Would like like a slingshot right back at you exactly. Yeah have you messed around with a sumo deadliest? Hi Paul before him no. I don't think I have sumo's I love Hypo. He should check it out. Just look it up on Like it's a it's a cross fit move. A lot of people hate it because they hate people hate upright rose but as sumo deadlocked. Hi Paul I mean with with kettlebells that you have. It won't be challenging and be very very lightweight you'd be able to do it with with one of our bigger ones that we have the gym but It would it might be good to try in between somebody other exercise. Okay you're okay your heart rate going pretty good. Oh I done that. It's the one where you swing and then you bring it up here. And then he gets back. That's all it is. Yeah I know I've I've done that a few times but I've never had it as a structured part of my workout so I should put it in but you have done it a few times. Yeah as long as it doesn't bug your shoulder. I think it would be a good a good moment to throw in there. Yeah man if any if you guys can just grab kettle. 'cause they can add so much to your workout and it's it's so easy to use. Just grab one please. Do we have any information on a like when and where this thor lift is happening like is it on? Espn ESPN APP. Or it's what's eight days Friday right so it'd be tomorrow right. Yeah I mean by time people here the it'll be too late day. I can't believe hit that lift. Yeah that's amazing. He went for five sixty and shot to mark wells. Power Project. Okay. So the event will air live on. Espn and streamline live. On course sports world with commentary from strongman Lawrence big lows. Shallow Shelly Yeah So. Espn core sports world. Marco your neighbors like looking at you all weird. 'cause you're on the balcony right? Now is a guy with a camera. I think he's taking pictures just so nice out here. It's ridiculous but I also have like I. I have my shorts. I worked way up. You know I got this. I got the the lifting diaper diaper. Going on getting your. I'm just yeah trying to get my legs. It's so weird like the side of my legs. The side of my legs are just like always white. I don't know why like it's weird because like I mean I mean. I'm not laying sideways if if I'm going to sit here and read or something like that or sit here and just being the sun but like when I go and run and when I do any times I have my shirt off I have my legs. Exposed a little bit side of my legs are just always white. It's so strange. Absolute is like what the Hell's wrong with these legs? Won't they tan? I wouldn't know man that's I guess. You need a consult Andrew. I may blood flow restriction to that side or something maybe put some oil there or yeah amazing oil. Oh Yeah I'm I'm getting a Sauna. I'm pretty pumped about that. Many fall man on the throw some red light in there and then I want to also see if I could throw some UV. Light in there. But I don't know if I would die if I had all these I don't like you know what what you're supposed to do with them but remember when we had we had the podcast he was saying he does a UV light like a couple minutes a day or whatever variety there already right. Yeah I was just trying to think I was like and I would be. That'd be convenient. If a hide all that in there I could you know. Put this one on for like six minutes but this other one for like six minutes and then jet on out of there you know. Y- just throw in some Some blue light just to neutralize everything just in case after you guys work out you can all you can come over and we can converge in there and just get get that stink going that smelled on and just enjoy each other. Enjoy go in the hot tub and then we'll go into the sun and enjoy each other take take it all in I mean Oh my God. I just think it's funny 'cause I makes I'M A. I'm a kid so I make these jokes and my girls like why are you making all these immature? Dick Jokes like that's not funny. Jokes great I think Dick Jokes are awesome. They're always great. There's nothing better. Yeah that's that's what she said like. I mean come on. That never get held. That never gets old even a Fart joke. You know it's like you can't let you can't you can't not laugh at a Fart. Hope I mean if you're not laughing at far too uptight or something. Something's wrong something. You probably have a stuck fart. Yes yes something. Something ain't right. Oh Gosh does Andy Ever get Andrew to Stephanie? Ever get it get out. You're just making stupid jokes or like I'm usually okay at keeping it. Pretty Mellow around her. But I will do. I will do stupid stuff and this kind of wait for her to get it like whatever it could be like. She might be like Like she'll take a bite of something and she's like. Oh my God that's amazing and I was like. Yeah but what about the food and then like I'm talking about myself and say oh I get it now but like this little stupid things like that like I'll just drop in here and there and eventually she's just like silly but she doesn't really ever say like it's stupid because I just I make stupid jokes. I really do pretty I'm pretty relentless with them. And I've I never I mean I guess I have slowed down with them a little bit over the years but you know she could Andy can say like oh my neck hurts and I'll say you know your neck hurts. You gotTA keep in mind. I grew up with I grew up with two older brothers that like opportunity to wreck somebody. You always you always did it. You know so me a picture. Yesterday it was a really Nice picture of her and I then she sent me a couple of pictures that kids or whatever. She said another picture of her. And I together and I wrote back to. I said back when you weren't such a bitch Michael. I ain't caps and put like three exclamation points. And even I was thinking like. That's a little risky. But I think she's GonNa Laugh and then she just sent me a mean back you know. She sent me just like a meeting like just doing like a you. Know a shocked face or whatever and so she She laughs about it. Well I mean we both. We both pick on each other all the time and it will say you know we are weird crazy stuff too you know and I i. I'm horrible I'm a horrible person when anytime opportunities you guys know me really well. There's opportunity for racial joke opportunity for something that's like misogynist or something like that like I am always talking about her cleaned the kitchen and all this stuff but you know I I it just totally just my weird way of messing around. But she mess around with me all the time to even if if there's not an opportunity he'll make it like. Oh yeah like the video you sent me last night. Oh yes mario one or no. No NOPE NOPE nope. Mark no market city. No right you know. Actually I don't know all set it to you right now. Yeah no what the the shirt is or something of that guy this right if you knew damn now saying Andrew a video last night okay. Are you allowed to tell us what it is and yours? He's just he's wearing his His like million dollar Jimmy Garoppolo hoodie sweater thing. Forty niner sweater. Yeah and he just talking. Shit saying that. I'm not a real niner fan. Because I don't have that exact sweater that you can only get at Levi stadium that he bought this year or the Andy got him this year. It's this is perfect. Because he knows he knows how to cut deep Andrew. When you open that please let me know how you feel. The good thing is that nobody listens to this show. So no one's GonNa think differently of me I and you you can't dodge that one We're talking about the scribe it to you guys. You guys know and Mark said this to me and I sent this to like thirty people after he sent it to me like literally everybody but you guys know that that guy with the like the massive hog sitting on the edge of the bed right is it's like fiqh and long and it's scary. Well what this is. It's a it's A. It's a gift of Mario running to like. You know he's jumping up and he's hitting the block but instead of a mushroom coming out it's this guy and his big old headed just comes flying at you in the screen and it makes them. Ario noise not even like it's not done well and it looks so good like it's so much better that way. See that's what the Internet's four right. There still find it so funny to this day. I love it man. That's how we need to use instagram. Not for not for triggering using all right. Well I haven't got my workout in yet I got to Probably hit up like a run walk. I might miss out those triads again. That will be fun whether out here is pretty awesome. Hopefully I get Tanto black and figure out how to Tan the side of my legs here Andrew. Why don't you take us on Outta here? Buddy thank you everybody for taking out this episode up until Joan was or I guess. That whole portion of the podcast. I'm sure he has got a lot of value out of that. Maybe not so much the rest so if you did please share that. Share this episode with somebody who you think might find value in it as well and for everybody else. Please make sure you're following the podcast at Mark Bells Power Project on instagram. 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Introducing Uncover: The Cat Lady Case

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34:08 min | 1 year ago

Introducing Uncover: The Cat Lady Case

"If you're looking for another fascinating true crime case we have it the latest season of uncover from C._B._C. podcasts the Cat lady case in Nineteen Ninety Eight seventy seven year old Joan Loris vanished without a trace. All police could find wind were her thirty cats all shot dead. The case remains unsolved but new witnesses unsealed documents and fresh promises from law enforcement are now shedding light on one of Ontario's darcus crimes. This is episode one silhouettes. You can bench listen to the entire investigation right now at C._B._C. Dot C._a.. Slash uncover or wherever you get your podcasts <music> awful awful foggy. I always got up five in the morning. I was hotter I seven even in the morning there was two shots but when I looked in the binoculars it was like to Sela wets and then I couldn't see from over knowing look doc like another silhouette okay that was very very foggy like like white just whatever and then there was two shots and then a couple of hours later that's when the shed down followed by the water burns yet in November nineteen ninety eight seventy seven year old woman went missing from Muskoka Ontario. Her name was Joan Lawrence but everyone called her the Cat Lady I. That's why I'm proving myself to one am talking about is is truthful because I'm not a bullshit never been bullshitted L._A.. I'm scared I'm scared docker. Now you guys you guys see that and I'm scared. I know what's going to happen. This is Bob Earl a twitchy lumberjack with bloodshot eyes and then I couldn't see at all all were sitting in my car on the side of Muddy Lake West of Huntsville through the windshield is an old dumping site where he says the silhouettes disposed of something couple hours later does shed was burned down by the water and then burnt and then they started <hes> cleaning up the Bockel and this is why they dunked one load here and one Lord up around the corner and then I think one load out the road Kebab used to live beside the dumpsite across the lake from where John went missing. He says he washed this whole scene. Play out gunshots fire backhoe and then what happens do you go to the police <music> but says a little less than a year later. He was arrested for being drunk in public and tried to tell them then they basically said earlier. Just you're just a drunk sleep it off. I said I'm drunk. What I'm not a drunk and all I know order do a key? I have eight or nine employees. Keep paychecks going referring them so that's I'm not a drunk. The next Martin they went dass may say just a drunk. I said you guys figure it. May Take Twenty year old. Hello figured out for twenty years as well all right here we are. I'm Sanders Sherman. If this is uncovered uncover the cat lady case <music>. There's a story I like to tell about Muskoka. It's better guy who goes into the woods and never comes out. Police suspect suicide but can't find his body thirty years later some hundreds come across a pile of bones and an old rope and the spot where they find signed him is just a few feet from his house. He was right there the whole time but that's Muskoka for you so woods will swallow you. <hes> Muskoka is Canada's cottage country. A hamptons of the north one of national geographics geographics top ten places to visit in the summer as I'm working on this podcast homework comes to film a movie here Look Amazing that lifts to the color is perfect another reminder to the outside world. This place is greeting card perfect coming up with whipped cream. You got it but I live in Muskoka. Ca I was born here and I see the other side the side where people live in poverty commit crimes decide. I started investigating in two thousand fourteen when I first heard at this story in two thousand seventeen I brought my research to C._B._C.'s the fifth estate which made a documentary now. I'm using new tips and information. Take the story even further starting with the cat lady she was visibly homeless woman who lived in Huntsville Muskoka. 's largest town into the only town in the area to have both the men's and women's shelter she was in the background of people's lives for twenty years a blur on the side of the road a face. You passed on the street aw yeah just had a very <hes> very distinctive silhouette and very recognizable when you'd see you're walking into town with a skirt and usually carrying bags scarf and her hair was a nice shade of Brown she she always wore it in a page boy. She looked a lot older. I think for her age like weathered. She always wore a scarf. In the summer. It was the Rayon type Kerchief and in the winter it was kind of a woolen one. She wore tied Loyd uncapped dirty. Just looked like somebody that lived on the street. Sometimes people called her the bag lady because she always had bags from in. I said I noticed you've got quite a bit of cat food in your bag and she said yes. I have a few cats and I lost track of how many there were but there was never a lot of groceries. He's it was mostly cat food in her bags. She carry them to time. Walk ahead a little put them down. Go back for the rest. I felt bad. I felt like I needed to do something. I just couldn't go by and watch her with all those groceries and hitchhiking. I casually said Joan. Do you have any family and she immediately looked at me and she says do you have any siblings. Wchs just wouldn't answer me and I said do you have any children no answer no one knew where Jonet come from and a lot of people couldn't remember time. She hadn't been there. It was like she had always belonged to the landscape this little old lady standing by the side of the road there was just you know never anything. If you ask her anything personal. She would shut down on you. She would change the subject immediately. She wouldn't answer my question for years. The Cat lady lived in a derelict house with no heat or running water after it burned down in one thousand ninety four she drifted between boarding houses and the Salvation Army in the hallmark version of Huntsville where everyone's young pretty and rich. She was remarkable just for for being different. She didn't seem to be a non happy person. You know most people they chew about something if it's not the weather or whatever but she never did not about anything but the thing is because because she had all her faculties like if if she had a seend delayed or something I coulda went to the police and advocated on her behalf but it was her right to live how she wanted even though I disagreed read with how she was living because I feel it was safe for her but she seemed like a smart woman she had made her choices and we talked about them on a regular basis in the year leading up to her disappearance. The Cat lady seemed to be living west of Huntsville near an old paper factory. She asked people who gave a rides to drop her off before they actually saw where then she just wasn't around anymore. I think like everybody else Tom. It was a concern as to how could something like this happen in small town material being a small town. That's I guess that's not how we think I I never thought ah I always knew something had happened to her to vanish like that. Small towns go the there was a rumble abode it. Oh I heard that maybe you know she was risk. Gone to parry sound or she moved away or she then she died or was a murder <music> on November twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety eight a twenty eight year old detective named Ehrenberg Eric was assigned to locate Joan Erin had joined the Ontario Provincial Police the O. P. P. Six years earlier quickly rising to the rank of a plainclothes investigator Aaron wouldn't talk to. Me For this podcast but I have her I._T._O.'s or information to obtain along with other police documents I t os are what police used to get search warrants. They contain allegations not facts that have been proven in court. Most I._T._O.'s have names dates details. They're like diaries. This is how errands starts. We've asked someone else to read beat them for us. On Wednesday November Twenty Fifth Sandra Gordon from probation and parole services in Margaret Pigeon from adult protective services attended the residents of a male person by the name of Alan Al Marshall Marshall Show is on probation in Gordon is Probation Officer Gordon and pigeon attended his residents to check on his wellbeing during their visit Marshal informed them that an elderly woman by the name of Joan Lawrence lived on the property as well in that he was concerned -cerned because he had not seen her for at least three weeks which was highly unusual. This guy I'll marshall was a fifty seven year old former limo driver in nineteen ninety-seven he moved from Toronto to Muskoka and lived on the same property as joan to picture this property imagined fifty football fields covered in trees. The driveway cuts down the middle and over a bump of railroad track on either side. What are piles of junk abandoned vehicles old hot water heaters are also cabins and outbuildings? All Marshall lives in a cabin by the road and Joan lives in another by the lake. John Passes him on are way down the driveway and back again she stops and says hi and brings him care milk bars from town so I'll houses probation officer. He hasn't Seen Joan Awhile to probation officer. Reports parts are missing now. This detective Ehrenberg is looking into things I posted her photograph at the <unk> detachment and requested that observation be kept for Joan. I also contacted all of the motels embrace bridge and graven hearst in an an effort to try and locate Jones. One of the first things Erin did was call the motels in the area. Maybe Joan had moved off. The property just got tired of living there and that's why I'll hadn't seen her but no one had any any of the motels matched Jones description then Erin writes that she got in touch with the clerk at Huntsville Law Firm. I think she needed to do this because her bosses wife was Al Marshals Probation Officer so John must have mentioned out that she was seeing this law clerk than Al Houses Peo- The Peo- tells her husband and the husband tells Erin just one of those small town things anyway. Erin says the law clerk told her that yes ask the Cat lady used to come in here all the time. She was helping out with something helping rent with what Aaron wanted to know then the clerk apparently dropped this bomb the first real piece of the puzzle also she told Erin that she was helping Joan file a report to take the OH P P the John was anxiously stopping by every couple of days to quote see how the paperwork was coming. Uh the last time this law clerk says she saw Joan. She told her the paperwork was finally ready and she could come in and pick it up. The clerk hadn't seen her since hey nice to see it to you looking very yes to day at work. This is Linda Charbonneau on this particular day. We're meeting at my house and she's wearing a flannel onesie. I like to think of it as a metaphor for how unpretentious how straight straight up Linda is. There's nothing superficial about her coffee or tea. Oh you got a cop ready. We'll take a coffee. Linda works at the daycare now but in nine hundred ninety eight she was the Deli manager at the N. P.. That was how she met Joan. I used to make coffee for customers. We used to have free coffee. So of course I'm out on the floor <hes> and <hes> so she just came up to the coffee pot and I said good morning and we just chatted <hes> window likes cats too and at first that was how they bonded you know me noticing the canned cat food and the in a cart and we talked talked about cats but as Linda got to know Joan better she began to see another side. Everyone called her the Cat lady and I guess when someone mentioned Cat Lady as courses like who's the Cat lady but <hes> it didn't take G- long for me once. I got to know where that I didn't <hes> I didn't refer to her as a Cat lady I I referred to her as Joan. You described her eyes as being kind. Yes yes yes. She did have kind. It is yes because when I would talk to her I I would look into her eyes. What did you see <hes> some days? I would see <hes> desperation. <hes> 'cause she taught you know. She told me a about her living arrangements so when we had conversations about that she always her eyes were just like <hes> she was just like living on the edge the place John was living to play. She didn't want anyone to see was a small garden. Shed I've been thinking about this shed and the best way to describe it and I'm. I'm just GONNA say it's exactly what it sounds like. It's just a shed. There's no electricity running water no bathroom it's not even insulated and when Jones renting because Oh yeah she was renting in the heat source was a portable heater that was plugged into an extension cord according to Linda by the fall of nineteen ninety eight. Even that was gone. There was no heat or the heater was broken in the landlord didn't fix said she was freezing to death. She's unfreezing today she goes. I'm freezing to death when does so. She kept an eye on Joan at the N.. P. Not just at the coffee stand but around the store then uh one day I saw joan approached this man up by the front cashes at the front of the store had this cowboy hat on kind of skinny Guy Kinda creepy look into me he had his hand out put and she was putting like bills like money into his hand. Just counting it out and I just remember her. Just keep handing it and piling in handing it and Unhandy Net and I I knew it was a large amount of money from the fact that she just kept dishing out in addition it out and I saw after she finished putting the last dollar or whatever amount of money it wasn't his hand he just looked at it looked at her put it in his pocket walked right away from her walked out the door and she just stood there. Kinda slumped on a way like like I don't know know how to describe it just like feeling of defeat again. I think just I mean he coulda drove her home but he just left her standing there. He got what he wanted and <hes> Jones rent was six hundred dollars a month. I've known this detail for a while now but I still take every opportunity to tell people six hundred dollars in nineteen ninety eight. That's almost nine hundred dollars today. Everyone I tell this who says it's deplorable. Which of course it is but I'm looking for something more like who would take advantage of someone like that? What kind of person would allow someone to live in an eight by ten? Shed much less charged. Urge them rent. Some people ask were Joan came up with the money between her pension and her old age security. She got about nine hundred dollars a month. That left her about three hundred dollars to spend on her cats which everyone said she would feed before feeding herself. In Fact Joan got her own food from the food bank so any extra money coming in was important life changing even and in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight that was her income tax check <hes> she was in the store and of course always said Hi. We're talking a bit and she asked me questions she goes Linda. Did you get your income tax back yet and I said Oh Yeah Joan. I got that months ago. I said why she goes. I haven't gone mine went really well. You should've got it because I don't know why didn't get it and I said well. You should look into that. You know she was kind of saying that she might have thought that our landlord cashed it or whatever and I said well. That's that's not right. I said you you better look into that so she said you know I'm GonNa look into that. S Okay good. I was waiting for her to come back and tell me what what happened with her money because <hes> she she was waiting for that money and depending on that money and that's <hes> that's the last time that's our last conversation. Never sorry detective Erin Burke believed she had just learned something. Big Joe was about to report the theft of her income tax. Check just does that was sinking in Erin got another call. It was from L.. Marshall The ten and two I notice Joan was missing. Aaron generally wrote Lawrence for Joan Lawrence but we'll be using Joan when reading from Errands I._T._O.'s and in some spots for clarity. We've changed the wording of errands statements slightly in this part Aaron describes an individual who wis concerned because he observes someone operating abaco dark around the same time that he recalls last seen Joan. He stated that around the same time that he observed the backhoe being operated. He heard gunshots. Shots for twenty years. I'll marshall has been a crucial ED problematic part of the police investigation into Jones disappearance. He died a few years ago and I don't know anyone else who saw or heard what he did. which could be one of the reasons? No charges have ever been laid then just as I started working on this podcast I heard from lumberjack Bob Earl. I didn't call because I don't a hater. Theresa is bots access ax in case you were wondering this is something he does talks as if you've known him for years it's best she stays outside of the town. Stay on this side of down because she did a lot. She would've been honest with their dad. My Dad wouldn't wouldn't hold his leg. It was Corrigo. Get equipment like a lot of people I I heard about Bob Earl in two thousand five Toronto Life Story called the other Muskoka. The story is about a shootout between Bob's family he and his in laws it was a big deal and in Muskoka made bob famous or maybe infamous. I can't really tell just like L.. Marshall Bob says he heard gunshots and witnessed at Baco coping operated around the time John's disappearance. I'll says he heard about a fire but Bob claims he actually saw it that the silhouette burned a shed which according to the I._T._O.'s they may have been a previous shutdown was living in but there's one thing about says he saw that I'll never reported someone dumping something on a nearby property. A spot locals treated like an unofficial dumping camping grounds and I think I hold it that Qui. Do you want to show me where they bob and I are out of my car now walking through the old dumpsite across the road from his former house wasn't here wasn't here a couple of hours after seeing the fire. Bob Says he was working in the yard when the truck doc pull up right across from him. Bob says the people driving the truck were using their own property as a kind of landfill but chose this spot to get rid of whatever they had burned. All the man nerd adopt wider the Dow over here. I'll be coming back to the dump site leader for now. I ask Bob why he's telling me any of this. I mean after the Tron of life article after allegedly being ignored by the cops my trust me why trust anyone you know I know I went missing my brother much as we don't have would never said we love each other my brothers or whole family but we do we we protect each other eight so I know vice went missing and my brother ten years later. Somebody told him something. I'm sure he'd go his power to <hes> put closer to it right. I think that's what I'm doing. It is I want you know what Sir sedition brother or sister Blerta or family member wants closer to this and then if it is if it does come out and lie facts rate on. I'm sure it's it's authorities did to punish the people that did it and I think I hold that that key. I guess what I'm saying. Is I know what it's going to bring the heat on me and sometimes it's best just to look the other way but then I'm the guy that's got to carry it and that's what I've done of carrying it for twenty years by the fall of nineteen ninety eight. Joan was getting desperate. She feared for her safety and told the social worker to call nine one on one if anything happened as Linda remembers. John seemed especially concerned about her landlord. She told me that the landlord did offer that you know she could come in and take a bath and use the toilet which I'm thinking to myself like she didn't have toilet and have running water. Shouldn't have you know a bath shower or anything so I immediately said we'll shown like why don't you go in there and use the toilet and and have a shower our and stuff because her hygiene was not very good so I just like I was kind of like saying. Why don't you use the shower go in there? She goes no she goes. I never go in there now and went. Why like I was puzzled? I didn't understand it. She Goes No. I'd never go in there she goes. You just never know what he's GonNa do. Joan had always rejected people's offers of help but now she turned them sought them out. Even this is a retired officer who used to give rides one day when I picked her up we were. I had to stop my parents place on the rug into town down in aren't in the backyard there were people in my place and she wanted us to read that live there no because search no heat no electricity. Everyone said Nota Joan own that didn't know where to put her didn't know what to do with her cats. John refused to put them in a shelter or give them up for adoption with no one else to turn to. She asked her friend Linda if she could come and stay with her when she did you know when she did reach out to ask me for help which was probably extremely hard for her to do and that she had trusted me enough to even ask me and then when I refused her then that must have like that probably was made her feel like like like I have. Nobody I just I don't know I feel bad. Sorry Joan seven weeks after Joan went. Missing Detective Ehrenberg got enough evidence together for a search warrant at dawn on December seventeenth. She and a convoy of police vehicles descended the long driveway of Jones last known address. Now I remember <hes> you know driving in there. I remember this is someone who was there that day. She's asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. I remember the date it's almost like at first you think rich people live been here because it's a big private looking state kind of thing you know and then I remember the long dry way up to live house was and along along the driveway on on the left all these vans and vehicles. Oh I mean horrific. It was all like you know. Oh my Gosh I mean this is disgusting. That was my feeling and and certainly you know the feeling I got that <hes> anybody with leave a person to live in in and those kinds of conditions and I never saw but I did hear that you know they found some that around the shed police searched the property combed the blitz dug up the earth eventually dredge the lake. They didn't find Jones Body but to everyone knew her. They had found all the evidence they needed. If the cat ladies cats were dead so was she oh God I'm just like I just dirty thing <music>. She loved her cats. I mean what's wrong with that. I can't believe this <music>. There's one thing I haven't told them yet. I know who detective Aaron Burke believed killed the cats police found some of the cats. Let's when they went and searched the property and they found bullet fragments in the cats one of the the weapons. That's missing that we can see that's missing in these documents as a rifle. Okay who knows what else fat rifle might have been used for. Oh God coming up on uncover mean stepping on the cat and taunting her is different from getting gotten a gun and just like she had over thirty cats authorities ever came to ever any questions about it'll be like an execution links that you heard or something of that. She Says No. I think it sounded like a human human being. Oh God I mean if he can do that to her cats. He has no regard for life. No wonder she was terrified of him. uncovered the Cat Lady case is hosted written and reported by me Zander fishermen. The podcast is produced by Graham McDonald in Beka Anderson who is also our audio producer special. Thanks to the fifth estates Lisa Mare and Timothy Saola for additional research and reporting our executive producer is Arab Noorani and the senior producer of C._B._C.. podcasts is Tanya Springer original music for the series by Larch and the Voice of Ehrenberg Randburg Lauren Donald <music>. If you're liking this season of uncovered check out our first season uncover escaping nexium taking you inside the bizarre self help.

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172 - Im Fine, Look Away

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

1:38:56 hr | 1 year ago

172 - Im Fine, Look Away

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Best sleep ever bay review that's recap sugar bear hair for longer, stronger, healthier hair and sugar bear sleep to fall asleep faster in sleep better. Order both at sugar hair bear dot com slash murder sugar. Bear hair dot com slash murder sugar. Bear hair dot com slash. There's a little devil inside. Didn't feel it coming up because you open your mouth. We just looked at each other. As we start little children. I have a moment of holy shit. This is what I do. This is huge. This is real this is the part where we have two podcasts. Good at it. Yeah. Opener amounts to speak at the same time and the weirdest sound came out of my fucking mouth you call it a sound others. Michael it a burp. It wasn't avert a little bubble that like it was like a brave little bubble that came back up to Sam getting out of here. Oh, wow. That was hilarious. Excuse me. It looked like you were doing a bit. Talking but burping instead. Well to my favorite murder. It's a podcast podcasts. That's Karen heart star. And we are your podcast hosts for the night or the hosts, and we're gonna lead you along. The way burps the burpee issed do it. I made a deadly mistake before directly before we started. This is the pickles or the diet coke. It's the combination of the two might be the new flavor we need to talk about Karen's adorable snack that she's eating right now that just like makes me so happy like when people make a stack that's got like a little bit of this. And that on it. It's just the best. So thank you. What a great compliment, this is a stolen snack. So my friend, Karen Anderson who if you want to listen to her podcast, it's dining with Doug. And Karen that she has Doug Benson knife. And she's a big food aficionado, foodie person herself a great cook. But this was a snack. She made up from when? We worked together long ago, and you can buy all of the ingredients of it at trader Joe's, and what it is. So when the next time you go to your trader Joe's, get off mock crackers, aka m may or the fuck and hippie crackers that my mom's been buying. They got the sesame oil your eyes at them. When you see them are impossible to close back up. Yes, they still have the old school cellophane only rapper. So you're on your own, but they're great. They're so good. And and sesame delicious. Then you get some of the pepper Jack cheese that they have sliced not the block don't know only know pre sliced don't be a fucking sociopath block of cheese. No, don't be crazy this splurge on the pre sliced because that actually is a major element because see when you get this. It's a square preset slice. Yeah. But when you fold it in half, it becomes exactly the size of an aqua cracker leash shit. It's perfectly onto the cracker. Then you have to go. Sorry. This is actually it's. It's we looked today. When Stephen and I worked trader Joe's, but they didn't have the stackable pickles. Usually you can get those flash sandwich. I don't think trader Joe's FOX with that really traded. Look, we have spears we have whole and we have sliced. Yeah. And that's all we do. That's right. If you want more, you know, go somewhere else. It's amazing. They haven't figured out how to steal the sliced stackable pickles because they steal every other good food product that there is and make it their own. I respect it. Anyway. So you have a fucking pickle on the side. You actually you should when it's a stackable you can stack it on top. But now I have a spear creates insanity for Stephen literally eating these over the sink because they were so damn can I suggest a fucking scored of yellow mustard on that shit. Not to me a while. I don't like mustard. But yes to another person they might love that have fucking smear on hear me out of pocket. I hate the word dollops. I'm not gonna say that. Okay of APR ikat jam. Now, I sound pregnant now. I'm not I'm not pregnant, but that's how we'll know. Will you know, what it would be interesting to see if people wanna make this and try it out, and then go ahead and put your own spin on it. Put your own spent give give what's your almost called you Virginia. I'm not kidding. I don't. It's the beginning of the end for me. We all know, it makes sense. Try Georgia's dollop of mustard plan. Go ahead and give give April, Jim. We're only wanna know your favorite cracker snack. Yes. Because all I want is line originated from triscuits and cheese, which my mother's mainstay through the seventies. And then she went into a week's worth area. But this is the trader Joe's new fangled version from Karen Anderson, so give that a world see if you like it. And then see if you have anything to add, and it's all topped on a plate by our friends scarlet river, who's a really great artist on Instagram on a really cute Victorian looking play that says your own shit get out of the forest out of the four. Oh, actually, it has get a job, but it was covered by pickles. I mean, see that. So that's what's going on at the exactly right studios. I want to take a picture of that for later. That's right for the for the peop- Instagram. It'll be there. Yeah. Good stuff. Anyhow. That's there is this this show started out the. Fifteen minutes before we started recording. We it was as we were preparing for belching with the things that we've been doing. That's been snack corner. Yeah. That's the newest enjoy it. Enjoy it or else. What else kinda corner? Well, let's see let's do mardi corner. Real quick great. So. A couple of weeks. Okay. A couple stories about my dad one is that he so he's on the fan. Call in the fan. Cole is active in the fan cult. Sure, he's on the chat, message boards and everything. Like that. He's out there ready to communicate. He's ready. And so we have someone who's now handling are the fan called and doing a great job of it. But he his name's Denton. He took the name screen name data Reno. On the fan. Call and my dad fucking text me and said, hey, whose data like he was mad about it. So didn't change this. King name did Denton give him data-relay. Now. I don't wanna give I don't know if you could take it. But it's now his that's hilarious recently. My dad was we were having lunch. And he said to me, you know, you know, how because he comes to a lot of shows live shows, you know, how when I'm in the audience in your saying negative things about your mother. And then you you stop. And you know, tell me you're sorry in the show. You know, I just want you to know. I don't I don't mind when you talk about her. I would love to talk shit about your mother in front of all of these people. Don't worry about me. It'd been trying to get the one up on Jen it for years, and you're helping me K one more thing on my parents. I gave my mom I got it special. And exactly right. Our fucking podcast network. I got her a mug that we have. It's like, I'm like, you have saved it. And I finally saw gave it to her. She left it in gilson's. So if you live in Buchan wherever the ships LA and find a fucking exactly right mug with cold coffee. How shitty is that? It's your daughter's company. Yeah. Fuck I'm an entrepreneur. You are it doesn't change that whether Janet has that mug and on a little a little podium in the middle of her wouldn't be a podium if she hasn't on a little platform in our kitchen onto a fucking grocery store. Second question. Yeah. Why wouldn't you just have let's be the travel Mons? Do it Janet. But she's actually just kind of rolling out of the house still holding the coffee mug that she started with that morning. Maybe she was proud of me and was like doing it with the thing out and like walking around with it. But then she forgot it was there and walked away. Maybe 'cause gilson's knowing how to talk about. And if you don't live in Los Angeles, you might not know gilson's the rich people grocery store, high end there's a wine bar in it. There's a wind bar. There's Bach LA there. We'll all in bucks pucks as some kind of station. Yeah. There's all kinds of things to have. She might have just got caught up in the lifestyle. I get it maybe hit that wine bar beforehand. She's like goat cheese smiles around our. Yeah. Throws down the mug shot in a million pieces by okay, I feel better. What are you? Let's see a we were going to recommend some bughouse. Right. Yeah. Things. We've been listening to podcasts corner. Okay. So my podcast Cornell. Switching on over. And I tell me if I've. Kind of don't wanna know if I've mentioned this early 'cause it's horrifying. But so let's see the podcast. I listen to the last time, I drove home because I've I've plugged Jon Ronson stuff before he's one of my favorite writers. He's a British journalist, and he's an amazing investigative journalist investigative, and he he has a new podcast out called the last days of August. So he had a his podcast before that was called the butterfly effect. And it was all about the porn industry. And how it changed after the digital takeover who? And he got to know some people any learned about this story about the death of a porn star named August aims. And so this podcast is about that death essentially and have to listen to the first one to really get into this. I know he makes it super. He introduces it perfectly basically explains how he came like stumbled upon the story, and it is really it's not true crime in that way of it's an in depth investigative. Yes story. Yes. He'll kind of about the lifestyle. 'cause I that's like a deep dive, you don't get no at all talking about like real sex on HBO, right it, and I feel like the for a long time. It was very important for people to kind of push that idea that like there are people in the sex industry who are really into it. And they wanted to be there wasn't this this. I state that a lot of people were in which is important for people to feel empowered into be like night. Fuck you. This is my decision, which is a real thing. This is a different story. This is almost kind of like, but there there are. Just listen to it. Because I better better to listen to it. Then have me describe it dark and deep and I'm fucking I'm there. He's just a very good journalist and what he makes his important to hear. What's it called? Again. It's called the last days of August. And it's Jon Ronson new podcast. I'm listening to it. Sweet. I'm listening to couple true crime ones as I always do. And then also when I need to not do that because it gets fucking dark. Sometimes you're listening to this. I listen to this podcast and have persona long called be wealthy. And smart. And it's spy financial guru, Linda p Jones who's like she's there for it's like, it's catered towards women and women understanding, you know, everything about finances. So that they can take a hold of their fucking lives and like being charged important as so important. She is a book that I'm reading called you're already wealth. Aris nothing can act like one. Ridiculous. But balking love it so much let the Arizona of your wealth. You're the heirs of the Del Monte pickle fortune gouge elation good. Yeah. I I like her message. And it's you know, in the podcast is like anything, you just read the titles of them. And you'll find one that you should listen to. Yes. It's like it's mart. Very good and like listenable because a lot of times, I think or at least speaking for myself. It's like a whole area that gives me like so much anxiety just thinking about it or. Yeah. Yeah. Of like things I've thought up or immediately. It just puts my mind to where I felt thing. So it's really good to listen to people who know what they're talking about basically telling you, you can do this you can figure this out, and you can be in charge. She's really knowledgeable, and there's even stories about like financial abuse in relationships, which I didn't even know it was thing until they listen to keeping money from people to keep you in the relationship weird ways to control. Oh, yeah. There's so there's kind of and then there's also like how, you know six ways to pay off debt, or whatever it's just like, there's everything. Great. And so she has like little bits of knowledge that she Buckingham parts to you. And it's it's just great. Here's one of my ways, I got a Kohl's card last. Chris I was at Kohl's. I was buying nor a whole bunch of stuff because the Kohl's is right right in town in Petaluma. And when I got up to the register may have this story. But the lady that worked there was every everybody's mom from when I was eight years old. So that she already had power over me. And she added up my stuff and looked and goes girl if you get a cold card, you'll get like two hundred dollars off one. I was like are you serious? And she goes, oh, yeah. We're doing this thing. And then she just basically made it she made me do it and made it happen. Did it really quickly? She was like she should be commended by the Kohl's corporation that happened to me. But I was like twenty three and it was Victoria, secret card chide never shopped at and I was just like I didn't get what was happening. Yeah. Then suddenly, I was I had my first credit card. Did it go badly? No. I never shot there. Again, good company, but I have such bad credit that any line of me, I can take that and use it to fix my credit Odelay. So even though because I went to so I went to my count. And then she was I see you got a Kohl's card. Very good move. Because I thought she would be like what are you doing closed that down? Now, if you get approved for it fucking grade get approved and then buy things and then pay it off in a timely manner. You can fix your own stuff. Guys looks Linda p Jones before you all this because it's strategic you need to be strategic. And if you're snow me, I know nothing you're scared. You're scared of it. Knowledge is power the more. You know, the the smarter decisions you'll make that's right. And remember there's people that are in it every single day. It's scary to you when it's this foreign land that you know, you don't know how to navigate in any way. But there's people like Linda p Jones who that's their life. And they can really give you advice. Like, no, this is the real this is how it actually is separate from your ears so much. I mean, I I. Yeah. That's great almost every. Three podcasts. And i'm. Smart also. Okay. So let's fan cult corner. We just put up a queue in a video that I really like it. It's super cute. Yeah. And we the people who are now doing our website with us in our fantasy with us. We love and our good friends. Have these great ideas that they're like helping us produce the stuff? So now, it's just like more. There's going to be more and more of that kind of stuff because we can think of an idea and be like can we do this? Yeah. And then in a month, it'd be like here, it is just so rare in crazy. It's the best. It's like, yeah. And it's stuff that we like that's good for us. So can I just thought of something our book comes out three fucking? We is that true. What can you tell me? It'll be eighteen days. I think as of tomorrow what happens. What if it's a what if everyone is mad at everyone's gonna be mad and laugh at us at the same happen. We'll move to the beach. Okay, venice. Yeah. We'll just then we'll get some of those. That's what those southwest gotta get away tickets or for and you look in the get outta town Galapagos. We'll go back to Albuquerque. Remember, how great it wasn't. They loved it there. It was really beautiful so nice. Okay. Coming out everyone. We wrote a book, and we didn't just write a book. It's our memoir spilled some shit. I told the story of getting my nipple Pierce for the first time. There's some really if you're looking for the inside scoop. We we basically scooped it all out imported into this thing. Yes, or no. It's essentially a blog. Yes. It is is we should have asked for it to be black background with neon. Green guidon. And then like space stuff on the side. We're words that are highlighted that. You can look. No, it's great search for your name. It's going to be great. Oh and like thirst like fan art in it. Yes. It's just so cool. They they laid it out and designed it with you know, or we did too. I mean, we did on having van are sinners are in the bucks, and they made it happen. And it looks great. And there's also fun family photos. We have like personal photos of different points of our life. It's just like it's kind of amazing nothing else. I mean, it's heavy enough to be a paperweight, and you can also donate it to your local thrift store. That's right. You could also if you this summer if you if you and your friends do bonfires at the beach light it up get like four those KENDALL on kindling kindling if your books or what we do kindling handling get in there. Get a potbellied stove for your cabin. And we're just here to try to help you who whatever you want. If you like it, and you read it. Then there's going to be an audio book. I mean, there's just like layer after. Oh, turn the light off this. It's too to in here. Okay. That's right. Oh god. I know we're not gonna do better. We're podcasting. Now, we're not in school anymore. Now. We're out of the fluorescence. So yeah, I get ready for the book thing we're talking to each other. When I say that stay sexy before get ready for it. Lauren. Karen? Should we start? No, I have a corrections corner. Even though it's a while ago. Mike. Though, I said this on stage young in Oklahoma City. But I feel like that's in needs to be brought to more people, by the way. We've I mean every weekend of this tour, and there's been plenty has been amazing and remarkable. And but this last weekend, Oklahoma City gave us an ovation. When we walked on stage. That is the loudest thing I've ever heard life. It was they brought the thunder in such a meaningful powerful way. And and also it went on for a while. Yeah. You guys are beautiful Oklahoma City. Thank you so much, and they were so grateful that we came to. It was hilarious. Yeah. They were the best. I mean, it's just it's insane. Standing on stage and being clapped up. Yes, doesn't I it's so hard to to absorb and taken right insane. And amazing. And I love it. I love it. And I'm just also so fucking humbled by it. Yeah. And yeah, yeah. Yeah. We had a weekend of humbling show. Yeah. And the the ones in Dallas and Houston were huge and beautiful. And we just thank you guys so much again. And we know we say it all the time. But thank you so much for showing up and having these Yasim, you do and and thank you to the person in Oklahoma City who threw up in the audience people through up one in the balcony one in the on the lower level, right which we were hoping off the balcony. But it wasn't actually. But we did inside the balcony in the middle of our Oklahoma City show. It's quiet. I think Karen's doing her murder, and we just hear out of the corner of our years. I saw I had the visuals Herta very angry too. And rightfully so very angry. Usher who had to clean up. This person's puke snapped took out a garb a plastic bag and snapped it out three times like your mom when you have an emptied the garbage just went to do it to prove a point as hind each time. Fucking theaters. I was going to ignore it. And I was like okay, something obviously happened. But it because once nap out of like, I need this thing to be bigger snapping at three times as like fuck you. It was like you could practically hear it was hilarious as we. It was really a so you guys they brought it. I mean, they brought it in every way everybody made it special in their own way. But on this that stage. I was just I brought up the fact that I went into that thing where I was trying to think of the word for an Elizabethan Ruff. But I was talking about the renaissance and the restoration. I went all all over the map, but lots of. People were like just tweeting going Elizabethan as the what I should have been there for that. I don't know how and the other one was there was some people who misunderstood me. I think unless I misspoke. But when I did the story I tried to explain that we were in Saint Louis, but I picked a story that happened in Kansas City. Right. That was the leftover story that I did that was the the at walkway clarity. Didn't think it was in one city or another you I knew that. I knew the collapse happened in Kansas City at that height at, but it we I was picking it because we were in Saint Louis, and it was in the same state. But I got a couple of tweets from people who are fired up of like excuse me that happening in Kansas City. And I was like, yeah. I know, but there's definitely a chance that I said Saint Louis at some point. But that's not guys. We can't keep track of your fucking college. Team rivalries. I mean, I know you wanna. This place and gay this place. But we don't understand. Meaningless. Yeah. But my problem is that I think because I said, I was picking this story for Saint Louis people are like how dare you? But it's like that. They're not thinking, I was I was being too inside bone brain. I got it though. Essentially, I got it and. It's all matters weight. And sorry one Moore's faculty because we had another one of the ones like the woman who said my sister is dying in the meet and greet which tell me, so the the original was a woman who right as we were getting our picture taken at the meet and greet. The woman goes my sister's dying and both of us turn out of that like during the picture turn toward her. And are like what's going on are you? Okay. And then she goes, no. She's just so jealous that she's not here. And we're like do that. Like we screamed at her. It was hilarious. And of course, we all laughed like what the hell. So it happened again in Dallas. All right. Where remember the woman said I left my husband, right as we're taking picture. She said I left my husband. So of course, we think issue that so strong. You're so brave or whatever and we turn to get the storage goes at the bar across the street. Just like, please watch the phrase get out of here. We we all about that. It was so funny. Pretty good. So many good moments in those fucking meet-and-greet. It's truly overwhelming. It's so fun. And there are people who are like do you hate this as to just like we fucking love? It must be tired. It's like, no, we have adrenaline to the fuck and hill. Yup. Did a show in front of fucking cloudy, people barf so much. We talked to somebody about Vincic. Vince can't dude any more care. Thank you, all everybody. And. Yeah, goodnight. No. Yes. Yes. Karen? Yes, did you know that fashion is the second most polluting industry in the world? But you didn't you know, you've told me in this commercial before? That's why I love shopping secondhand at threat. 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This is a podcast everyone shot. Okay. Got it. Yeah. So basically, this meant I had homework Gardy done when I got home, which is just a miracle kneeling utilize thing. Truly the best. This is an oldie or older. You know, what it felt like when when we were there. It is is these are those kinds of stories that have already been covered on every twenty twenty every dateline every. You know, American Justice, and whatever because a lot of those stories are rich people murdering each other where I am in for one percent to it. I love it. It's like the the world you can't be in any way. Yeah. And then it does not mean, you're happy just because you're rich. And you have everything it actually, usually means that things are going to happen. Definitely. Or at least it seems like it seems that case they Sun City confidential that one hundred percent true as well as Dominick Dunne's, power privilege and Justice forgot to talk about what Ted Bundy movie. Did you watch it? Yeah. I haven't watched it. Okay. Let's wait till next week. Okay. I'll I swear I'll watch it. And I'll I'll have all kinds of pinions, right? Hey, great. Can you just give me one hint? As to how my boy did second round great. Yes. He oh, am I right? Oh, if there's a if there's a discussion about the negativity. It's not Zach Ephron. Hello. Thank you. Okay. No. He was great great. I knew we would be to get the debt is right out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He was good awesome. I can't wait to what you know. What I will watch it tonight. Okay. Where do your Georgia watching? Were you with everything I have? So the murder of Joan Robinson hill. Okay. Joan Robinson who later on hill. She's born February six nineteen thirty one to an unmarried woman. So she's put up for adoption because it's the thirties got bid. Yeah. Those women had to be disappeared. Oh, listen to the most insane criminal episode about a woman who's to go around trying to get white babies to adopt. Have you heard that why babies or adopting other babies? Oh, she's starting to get babies adopting babies. Favor work loan. We haven't em MTV reality show about that yet dirt biking and swearing. Getting people to adopt white babies. Yes, there there was there was a lot. Suddenly there was no more stigma on adoption because for a long time. It was like if it's not your real baby. You're it's all that. It was all the craziness about adoption, and suddenly it was it it became acceptable. And then it was like you have to hear it. It's is it like, hey, you kinda don't want your baby give it to me. And then like, I think that's how it started. This woman had a justified ner mind. That's how it started. And then she would go up and trick poor women into going your baby sick, a nurse, and I work for the hospital, and she just steal bobby's. Steal your baby. It's recent one on criminal listen to it. It's the best. Why am I even talking about the oh because option thing? Okay. So she's put up for adoption a month later. He very successful Houston. Oilman named Ashra Benson and his wife. Rhea adopter because they can't have kids themselves. So she's the only child of an oil magnate girl, get it. What is? She have horses horses where horses everywhere horses for days and not those dumb, plastic ones that you had as girl that had agree. And I shouldn't say dumb because they the one I got. And when I got it. I was just like it was as if my parents gave me a real horse. Yeah. Those plastic courses like sure one foot was up you put it up on the window. So your your goal trotting away to check in childhood happiness. And then you get your period all ends. Okay. Anyhow is she loves horses from when she's three years old. So, of course, her father immediately buys her one. She starts writing lessons at age three holy shit. So she's in it to win it. But she's a natural horsewoman, she she begins competing when she seven years old and between nineteen thirty eight when she seven and nine hundred forty five when she's fourteen she places either first or second every competition, she enters so she's there was some amazing quote about some like a. Equestrian competition judge that had seen her ride and had this big quote about how unbelievably majestic and perfect. She was as a writer so after high school she attends Stevens college in Columbia. College. The fighting the Pinocchio cz. Steven's favorite Disney movies, right lighting, keep fighting each other Pinocchio the sword. Oh. Okay. So she doesn't get great grades. But she has a very active social life. She is the perfect socialite. She's beyond when in the pictures of her later on the fifties. She has little blond bay and women. Don't need. Good grades in the fifties. That's not what they're there for now. You if you've got a rich dad and horses and you're good at parties, you're set. Yeah. Good grades were just gravy. Good grades like nerds good grades probably work against you socialite seen in the fifty two smart. Don't don't upset a man. Yeah. Okay. So her parents, well, she's in college Lisa suite of rooms in a hotel near the college. And then they come to visit her regularly. Wow. So she's clearly the apple of there is when she's in college. She gets married and divorced a couple times a capital time. Yeah. 'cause she's out socializing. It's the fifties. When you you're like, hey, wanna go get coffee and get married. Real quick. Yeah. We'll probably like, hey, we should have sex get married. Yeah. So I it was a man named spike Benton who was a navy pilot. And then she got married to man name cease all Burg lasts who was in New Orleans lawyer, and he was a childhood friend and ash disapproved of both men and neither marriage lasts more than six months for spy conceal. Yeah. So I think she was probably like, I'll do it. I won't yet. And she goes and gets married to whoever. And then she's like this. I want the horses dad back. Okay. But then on September twenty eighth nineteen fifty seven. So this is obviously when she's out of college. I think if anybody's gonna hope the years math. Fifty seven do twenty four. Yeah. Unless your grades are really bad. She should be out of college. She gets married to a man named Dr John hill, and he is one of Houston's top plastic surgeons plastic surgery in the fifty in the late fifties that shit. That's when they were like, here's the plastic surgery procedure. We're gonna do for your nose job. I'm gonna hit you with his hammer. Stay still, ma'am, ma'am. See what we do is put chip clips on the site of your face. Whole it back as tight as we can staple it you got your face lit staple it we'll give you a couple of shots in Nova came in that skin and you're on your own night. So he was he was not just a plastic surgeon. He was an avid very talented piano player. So the first six years of their marriage nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty three they lived on Jones parents property. They lived at near ashes house, basically. And there are a huge part of the Houston social scene, but otherwise they live pretty separate lives. Joan is all still all about her horseback riding, and John is focusing on his medical practice, and and his piano playing and his music and John on this chip clips, and and his figure out smaller and better chip clips and clip onto the back of women scalps so on June fourteenth, nineteen sixty Joan gives birth to their son, Robert Ashton nickname, boot hill. Hill named after the famous western cemetery. You know, fun stuff for kids Joan tells her father that she wants to breed horses and start a writing school. So she says that so he buys her farm. Call Chatsworth farm. It opens in nineteen sixty three and it becomes a site for an annual picnic that the hills host you can feel this light. Yeah. Oil money, well, horse people, social at wealth, while well, generational wealth. That's right old money. Yeah. Nine hundred sixty five John and Joan finally buy their own house at fifteen sixty one Kirby drive, but it's just down the street from John's parents, so in-law city Joan tells John tells Joan that he wants to turn one of the rooms of this new house into into a music room for himself. And so he asks Jones father he asks ash for ten thousand dollars to build it. But ash thinks that St. a stupid idea and refuses to give them I have to agree with us, right like build it yourself ten thousand dollars back then is how much then I would say easily seventy grand. Yeah. If not more will seven hundred grand. Well, yeah, I guess it would be up in maybe two hundred grand yet to let's go to go to. Let's let's meet in the middle at to a lot of money. But you have to imagine though, Dr John hill, the one of the leading plastic surgeon hammer wielders of the area, he's watching her by horses left, right or an open farm. So he's like about me and my passions. And I say, yeah, I wanna think too, and it doesn't really work that way with rich people. You gotta bring bring that wealth. Wish a burrowing doesn't sit. Well, with a lot of self made men will heard her horse farm, or whatever the fuck is who's about to make a lot of money, right? Because they like have it's like a business. Yes. But like. Putting a drum kit and a piano on your fucking basement is not going to bring in the bucks. No. That's that's mostly for like. I just want you to have great weekends. Yeah. Just want you to feel fulfilled. That's a vintage man cave. Yes. It is. I am. So angry the story for making me say man cave. So never forgive. It. Never, you know, he gets the big. No. So John goes and gets a loan from a Bank, a, wait. Sorry. One of the other reasons that Ashdod said, no it was because he lent them part of the money to buy this house in the first place. So yeah, you're already not that into borrowing. And this guy's coming back for more. So I'm sure Ashra was just like get out of here make your own money plastic surgeon, so John gets a loan from the Bank, and then commission someone to build in the music room for him, and he quickly exceeds that ten thousand dollar budget, and he spends around seventy five thousand dollars shit in that is I mean today's money ten thousand dollars is too much for music room. Yes. And then the. And then if you do math, well, well, you're going half a million dollars right for two Atta music room onto your house when they finally finished the room in nineteen sixty nine he had spent roughly, oh here, we go one hundred thousand dollars on that music room, which is the equivalent of seven hundred thousand dollars today. He was closer to a million dollars shit. Linda, p Jones would be very against that. He would not like that's not what wealth heiresses do. Now. It's not hail. No, okay. So around the same time in nineteen sixty eight John n Jones marriage is on the rocks. The partly because of the music room. That'd be funny of Jones like I hate music of all kind. But also because it seems Joan feels like that their music room and the project, and that whole thing is all he cares, which isn't entirely true. Because what John also cared about was the woman he had started to have with named and Kurth who he had met picking up his kids at summer camp. And she was picking up her kids at summer camp guys. They had a cheaters meet cute summer camp parking lot in August of nineteen sixty control your fucking urges people. I mean, if he can't control his his music man cave verge, then he's like he's just doing it. It's true. That fall Joan goes away for a horse riding competition. And when she comes back. She finds a note from John saying he's left because things are quote, not good between us. So did you get a decide that fucker? Yeah. That's all on him. Also, it was it was on a notepad with music notes at the. Sorry. I just saw it in my mind. In. It's like, here's a note in quotes from John. Oh my God. Fucking with what's a note, some kind of a quarter note in the quarter half. Two notes. I now great at least you knew on I play cello. And I don't even know what did you get actual song out on that cello? Could you could you play a song who? It was like that. But it sounded kind of sound like a song that's a hard instrument for your eight. I was like eight and probably like severely underweight, so teeny tiny person. This is not about me. It is though. Okay. So so basically Joan calls John's office to say where is he leg I'm trying to figure out like we at least have to talk about it. He's not there. So her father ash suggests hiring detective to track down, but Joan doesn't do that Kim two weeks later John context Joan again again after the music, no he asked to meet up with her. And then he tells her about the affair that he has saying that he's been staying with aunt. So this this woman has mistress. He's basically been at her house the whole time. Yeah. So in November of nineteen sixty eight John serves Joan with divorce papers. But both an I had to read this sentence like three times, both Joan and ash still want the marriage to work. Okay. Wife and her father really want the marriage to work because he'll turn it's your reputation. But also. Yeah, it doesn't work if you're done as much of an opinion, then you. You're part of the problem. Like, you have to admit there's a reason this guy wants to get away. And also just it has to be the two people in marriage that want it to work the best case scenario. Yeah. That's what you should be aiming for I I mean, dad, thanks for the support. Please get out of the merit. Okay. So in early December nineteen sixty eight ash asks to meet with John hill, and at the meeting he says that if John doesn't make the marriage work that will come after him enforce them to repay all the money. The John still owes him. So John withdraws the divorce petition returns to Joan to make up just before Christmas that year. How awkward would that be your dad told me that money if I didn't love you anymore? I can't leave so back. Great merry Christmas. Let's shut her on your matching sweater on. Let's do this fine horrifying. Okay. So and the height of romance. Yeah. Of course, an Kurth comes back into the picture. And she basically tells John it's hurt or me. But despite that, John John does is he stays with Joan. But he keeps a separate apartment court ends like an Jimena. He basically just keeps the place that they were staying shocking. Absolutely. No on. Yeah. Right. Right. So then John j-o-h-n, I wish their names weren't Jones on it's making it harder really needs to be with you. So Joan notices John's been spending a lot of evenings away. And she finally calls him out on its that starts a fight and the next day as John's taking their son to get a haircut. He stops by the apartment to pick up a couple of things and brings the sun with him. I'm on right? So then, of course, their son tells his mother. Yeah. Yeah. Dad's still has a secret apartment or whatever you name five, hey, dad's got this mistress. No, you're going to be upset. So I'm gonna be the one that stays calm dad's still got that apartment. No, no, no daddy. Still got that dead. The of course, Jones livid and and sadly surprised. So in early March of nineteen sixty-nine the hills have house guests over their friends of Jones named Diane said aghast. And then a second woman named Eunice woolen who is not listed as Jones friend to who knows. Why you nieces there? What are you doing their unique unique it feels like you're there to judge people? But maybe that's just because of your name woolen, so Diana, and you knees notice that John keeps getting called away by pager in the sixties. It's nineteen sixty nine what kind of a page or is it Hughes? Highs of the room. It's yeah. It's basically, it's the pants. He's wearing are the page. It's full body. Pager got it. I don't know. I I guess doctors have always had them aging is probably a phone call. Yeah. That's probably what it means being paid page on a paging service. What it is. That would make way more sense, though, if you have pictures of old fashioned pagers that are really big we'd love to see absolutely. So he keeps getting called away being paged away. And then when he comes back. He he comes back in the evening any always brings pastries. But he's very specific about how he has these pastries out what the he gives them. Brought these amazing Disney bitty want them. You should have him. You shove this new shove this? No, no, no, don't flinch. Don't switch. I want the cheese Dana. Nope. Nope. Sorry unique. But you weren't even really invited. Here. We don't know who's friend. You are you don't get the cheese. So he's very controlling specific about these pastries? Okay. A March fourteenth nineteen sixty-nine during a the stay with Diana niece, Joan invites a fourth woman over earnings van Maxwell, and they all wanna play bridge. So she invites van over to the house and the forget play a game of bridge on one end of the music room will John sits listening to music on the other end. And it's super awkward all the women out. Isn't it weird? Like when you're having like girlfriends over and then the husband comes home or you're at your friend's house. And then it's like, no, he's fine. He's he's cool with it. I don't wanna be here anymore. Right. I know he's in the bedroom. But like this creepy. Well, yeah. Because it doesn't then it just feels like there's someone waiting for you to lead. What Ellie and which is we've all done that were just like the countdown begins. I can't wait till have my house back. Yeah. Yeah. So and and maybe they were just trying to make the most of this insanely expensive music room. I don't know. Okay. But the the all those women had felt and sensed the super weirdest. Okay. Joan dishes to van about the fights that she's been having with John. And she tells van that she's going to get a lawyer and cut him out of her will and towards the end of the evening. John puts on a romantic record and then walks over and stands behind his wife's chair. And so then Diane suggests that they danced together, which they do. And then before everyone goes to bed at the end of the watch this weird couple dance, very presentation Lee. So then the next morning March fifteenth nineteen sixty-nine Joan or not morning. It's the afternoon Joan wakes up really late in the afternoon, and she tells her friends so like she has friends there, and she doesn't wake up until later. Not good. And she says, John. John gave her some pill that must've knocked her out because she liked couldn't come. She couldn't wake up. But she says that the night before John had made her quote, very happy. And that things he had said things he'd she'd never heard him say before. And she said she feels like they're going to be fine. Fuck you. Yeah. Feel I'm getting that presentation feel. Yeah. Some people like to do getting that poison feeling. So the next day Joan get sick. She vomits like after breakfast can't stop bombing. So she spends all day in bed and John tends to her brings her medicine. She stays upstairs while John basically entertains the guests on Monday March seventeenth, Diana and Eunice and their visit there, I say you niece before it's unis or you knees Eunice Eunice woolen. So Joe they leave because it's like Monday like the trips over but Jones still up in bed. And sick when they leave. So John tells their house made EFI green that Joan is not to be disturbed while she's recovering from her. Now. Are you familiar with the film reversal of fortune? No, okay. That's the story of Sonny class von Bulow in the very mysterious way that sunny von Bulow died, and it is it's like exact replica of this story in this part, which I'm blown away by which is what it's the fact that there's somebody that's sick in bed and the husband says, leave her alone, leave her by herself kind of. I mean, it seems like a understandable. If it's not out of the question if the person's not murdering that like don't she wants to be left alone? Sure. Yep. She's sick and wants to be left. Yeah. But this is day two of this sickness where it's like like almost like food poisoning a ton of vomiting. Yeah. Well. And the other end reversal of fortune, which if you haven't seen that movie, it's great lend close, Jeremy Irons. It's nuts. It's a true story. It's true crime. It's one of my favorite movies doing it. Okay. So the next day Martine EFI disobeys John's orders, and when he leaves for work for that day. She goes up stairs to check on Joan Joan lying in a feces soaked night. So. Yeah. And she's been sitting in her own filth for a Y. Oh my God. So EFI helps her to the bathroom to clean herself up get some fresh clothes. But while they're in there, and while Evie changing her she notices that Jones face starts to turn blue. So she calls Jones parents, and John, but nobody answers, no one's home. So then the mother RIA just drops by she doesn't even know that Jonas sick. She's just dropping by to say hi from up the street. She sees Joan in the condition that she's in and John while the while they're while reas freaking out about her daughter, John comes home from work. So they decide that they need to take Joan to the hospital that it's that it's gotten that bad. So instead of calling an ambulance John insists upon Dr self and instead of going to the one of the bigger more well respected hospitals in the area. He takes her on a forty five minute drive to Sharp's town general which is a new hospital that they. Built obviously forty five minutes away with no ER and know, ic- fucks, John cool. Well, and he would know right because he's the doctor and surgeon. So he knows exactly what hospitals are set up for what? Holy. And how insane? Would that be where he's like, I insist upon taking her and then like later on you find out just drove away and drove you know, far away. So crazy at the hospital when she finally gets there her condition quickly worsens, the doctor switches from thinking that she has the flu to thinking. She's in septic shock six hours after checking into the hospital her kidneys fail. They don't have a dialysis machine because it's the shittier hospital Jones too sick to transport to a different hospital. They decide to begin Perry tonal her or peritoneal dialysis. They need John's permission to perform it because she's not conscious. He had gone back home. And so the doctor calls. The house at nine fifteen pm and tells them to come back to the hospital John leaves right away, quote, unquote, but doesn't arrive to the hospital and till eleven pm what the fuck dick. So by twelve thirty that March nineteenth nineteen sixty nine. They have Joan stabilized, but she isn't improving and then her heart fails at two thirty in the morning. She dies of the sickness, so Texas State law. The time says that anyone who dies within twenty four hours of being admitted to a hospital has to undergo an autopsy before being bombed or buried it real. It is a good rule, but John has Joan taken to a funeral home before anyone as a chance to perform an autopsy within four hours of her debt. Now did he rushes that body over to the funeral home? Then she's in bombed within an hour of arriving at the funeral home. He fast tracked it. So then a doctor shows up at the funeral home to do the autopsy anyway, and he notices there's. Maroon discoloration on her pancreas, and he determines she died. From pancreatitis ash gets other doctors opinions they all say, it's unlikely cause of death for especially for what she had gone through on the morning for funeral March twenty first nineteen sixty nine ask goes to the assistant DA, and his name's ID McMaster, any accuses John hill of killing his daughter. So another doctor comes to perform a second autopsy right before Jones burial. And he determines the cause of death to be acute local hepatitis, which was probably viral. But when McMaster reads the report, he tells us, there's no 'cause that ashed doesn't give up he goes to get another DA in petitions John too, extreme Jones body for third autopsy, but of course, Jon refuses and so Ashqelon doctor from New York to help and because Harris County. Grand jury is also investigating Jones death because it's also suspicious, and because ashram has juice. I mean, like he these are all the people that like it's rich people in that's all those connections where he's like, I'm not letting go, and that means you're not letting so a third autopsy is granted. And this time far more thorough examination has done of the body, and they determined there was a massive infection. But they can't determine the source. They do however conclude the John had gotten Joan if John had gotten Joan to the doctor quicker. She would have lived. So three months after Joan's death, John hill Mary's. In June of nineteen sixty nine three months. So now Ashra Benson is convinced that John hill murdered his daughter and hit the marriage between John and Ann Kurth lasts less than a year. Yeah. So then on April in April of nineteen seventy a grand jury votes to indict John hill on murder by omission, which means his lack of action led to Jones done. Right. That's the only one that can prove they know that happened. So his trial begins on February fifteenth nineteen seventy-one an Kurth, they call her to testify against John. But she goes totally rogue on the stand and instead of just answering the questions that the guys the prosecutors asking her on the stand she claims John had tried to kill her on June thirtieth nineteen sixty-nine by crashing the car into a bridge. And then injecting her with a hypodermic syringe chose says John confessed to her that he killed Joan by lacing. Her pastries with infectious bacteria and injecting her with the bacteria as well. Holy shit. But this they're like boom that it's like just going what no artery exactly people go fucking deserve. And they declare a mistrial because she says all this stuff on the stand to really do that hearsay bucking diabolical. It is so disgusting. And it's like, I'm not using this word. Right. It's smart because you're not poisoning them. Exactly. Not traceable. It's he it's it clearly reflects that. He doctor was doing the murdering because a doctor knows what it looks like when someone dies a non suspicious circumstances. And that was but, but that's the funny thing about the psychopath of the sociopaths when they think they're smarter than everybody. And they don't think it's weird that they go. No, you eat the cheese. Danish. Of course, like, no. I don't wanna not topsy Eunice woolen is like I'm gonna write that in at the time. Of my diary entry tonight. Mona lunatic. Does you don't get subtleties? Yeah. Okay. So they schedule a second trial for November of nineteen seventy seventy-two because it's like ordering over clear the cord everybody, raise your memory, but a few weeks before the second trial is set to start on September twenty fourth nineteen seventy-two. A masked intruder breaks into John hills, home and shoots him dead weight. Okay. Hold up now. So he got sent home in between trial. Yes. And so someone came in fucking killed him. And his name is ash. A mass rubber a mass rubber. I'm doing air quotes at Georgia. Right now masked Robert came in and Sean death in April nineteen Seventy-three. That gunman is finally identified as Bobby Wayne van d'hiver, and he's arrested. Okay. So eventually Vancouver tells police that he was paid five thousand dollars to kill John hill and. He implicates to people their names are Marsha McKittrick and Lilia policies, and and he says, they're the accomplices Vancouver's indicted for murder his trial is set for September of nineteen Seventy-three. And then it's rescheduled to April nineteen seventy four, but he doesn't show up for it. Instead, he just up and moves to Longview Tech's. Why aren't these people in fucking jail while awaiting trial? I don't know they must have posted bail. I think it's because they're rich. And so that's the rich people do not wait in jail during trial. They get to go home. They other fancy lawyers argue for them and get them out on bail bullshit. Will this guy jumps bail moves out of town? He's living in an alias under an alias in Longview, Texas, and when police officer Longview, police officer, John roemer finds him Vanda ver- pulls his gun on the police officer and roemer shoots. First and Kim. Vanderveer? So the police officer killed the guy the murderer basically the the gunman the hired gunmen is now murdered by police officer. Okay. Marsha mckittrick? The getaway driver Vancouver's getaway. Driver is convicted in nineteen seventy four. She's sentenced to ten years. She's paroled after five and then Paulus Lilia policy. Other accomplice is convicted and given thirty five years and she dies in prison of breast cancer in nineteen eighty six and everybody basically in Texas knows for a fact that Ashraf's sin is the men who hired Vandivert to kill Dr John hill. But they cannot prove it and everybody around it is dead. Why they could never prove it. No, oh because along is dead justify against him. Exactly. He can't spill the beans there. Isn't there aren't the people as quickly the surrounding people like there's no trail? No, there's no. For where I to check memo. Ex son-in-law. No, there's no more pastries to be to be handed out. So that basically it's just kind of like this this got taking care of it. I'm sure a lot of people even if they knew the details. Dr John hill is absolutely a creep villain in this story. And there's lots there's so many good articles about how creepy he was all these stories about how creepy. He was. I want to see a photo of these people will. Yes, they look like classic fifties. People like he looks almost like rod sterling plane good-looking. Yeah. Standard Dr dress? And she looks like she looks like a she looks like she was like, Sandra, Sandra Day O'Connor. She. Doris day, Doris day. She looks like doors, but younger and like a little more plot photos up on our Instagram. There have been several books written about this story Thomas Thompson wrote a book in nineteen seventy six called blood and money. But there was also a nineteen Eighty-one made for TV movie. And these are shows you have to see one eighty one tire. Aw plays. Joan and Sam Elliott with no moustache. Mike young Elliott Young Sam Elliott with no moustache plays Dr hill picture him and Andy Griffith plays. Ashrat? Oh, I love who plays the the misuse willin. What are the Eunice played the mistress in the move made for TV movie, the real woman played the no those are the only three I know? But I did when I was prepping this for Jay was sending me all these pictures from that. Yes. Look. Oh, yeah. Doesn't look like Sharon Stone. And I make sure gorgeous. And then look Sam shipper. He's so cute. No Sam, Elliot. That's what I met fan shepherd is a doctor who murdered his family. Yes. Great. There's also shepherd the playwright who's got great actor. Yes. We'll put it up on my favorite murderer Instagram. Also, I just wanna watch it. I couldn't find it anywhere to watch. I want to watch that nineteen Eighty-one Stu retelling the story. Someone listening. This always happens. They're like their moms save their VHS fucking recorded coffee. They send it to us. And it's the best thing that's ever have. So if you have murder in Texas from nineteen Eighty-one, storing, faira faucet and Sam Elliott with no moustache. Rush can't police unto and of our so yes, the VCR like how me and my sister used to have to rent a if we rented videotapes, right? 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And in nineteen ninety eight they got a letter from guy and Billy Martin asking about an urban legend because that's kind of what they do. They talk about the weird crazy, cool shit happening and interesting awesome skies. Like that there's a lot. Yeah. This guy's like, hey, I remember this urban legend from when I was a kid involving dog bringing a body part home to his master in Springfield in the seventies. What is this fucking true? So they started looking into it. And it leads them. Jesse Polack and Mark Moran. Writing death in on the devils teeth hocus story about this murder. Okay. K murder in dirty jurors. That's right. Okay. All right. August seventh nineteen seventy-two air. We are sixteen year old Ginette depalma was about to enter her junior year of high school in Springfield, New Jersey on that day, August seventh. She tells her mother she was planning to take the train to friends house. She never arrives classic fucking story. It million times, it sucks when she fails to return, home that evening, or parents file a missing persons report. And by the way, this is this takes place ten months and one town over from the list family side case, ten months after ten months after like same area and at town over. Yes. So it's like time and place here. We are John talk about cherry hill mall. Just real quick. Do we talk about it? Not in philadel-. He don't talk about cherry hill. Talk about the cherry home all anymore that Karen. Wow. Okay. So this is there's a there's a real devil power center happening already. That's right. So she goes missing. And six weeks later on September nineteenth nineteen seventy two a dog brings its owner a fucking human forearm with the hand attach. So that it was not an urban legend out a bad bad. Boy, you traumatize me for years. I ever whatever song is playing right now. Never be able to hear it. Right. Just yelling at this dog on the Kohner. Did I sorry sidebar? Did I ever tell you about that? My dad had to get a job at my uncle Steve's pizza place when he was no when I was married and my sister, I think I was just born. And my sister was two or whatever. And he was I I think in the fire department maybe hadn't gotten in yet. And my uncle Steve had just bought a Shakey's pizza. And so my dad just worked there and like shirl do and he he said he worked there. It was really hard lake. It was just a really standard job. And he was worried about money all the time. And it was just. Like making pizzas. And he worked with this like young stone or kid who played Creedence Clearwater revival. Nonstop. And my dad literally can't have it on the radio. Like if you're in the car, and it comes on he has to turn it immediately any credence get it has destroyed. My dad it like it puts him back to the time where he thought there was no hope no future. Got it. So sad, I know same thing. But I was had a roommate who would just play moon dance on guitar, Linda. Thing else. I shadow. Yes, I'm being. Think of the sad time in my life. When I was twenty seven and was like, what am I going to do? It's six hundred dollars too much for rent a month. I don't know how to pay this. I hate my roommate. She's a coquette. Okay. What what here's the thing. If you like a song and something bad starts happening. Turn that turn it off really quick make fun. Protect your asset. So where were we human forum in hand horrifies? Brought yes this, of course, leads to discovery of genetics remains, oh, I know poor sweet she's like so beautiful to a post photo. She's just like not that fucking makes a difference, which, you know, she's a spoonful lovely normal sixteen year old and sorry who did the dog bring it the arm to his owner. What was it wasn't a child like an apartment building right behind where she was found in the woods. Okay. Dog was like doing dog nineteen seventy-two dog stuff. Would you go in the woods comes back to his owners apartment? Oh, just everybody everything. Okay. So they lead discovery of genetic remains it's high on a cliff inside of Springfields abandoned, its ho-, Dale Corey. So it's a quarry. That's like what is that? Like a forest reveal a type of situation. Yeah. And the core usually is like a big dugout thing that sometimes has water in it if the if they have if they're not using it anymore. But like, you know, we're just too big gravel pit dug out for rocks. Great. It's abandoned. Okay. There's cliffs it's outdoorsy. Okay. The cliff. There's very few indoor court. That I know of your remember what I did about the cherry hill mall say it's while it's wild running wild and the cliff is named devils teeth because the jagged rocks around it. So it's like way up high, and there's jagged rocks from what it sounds like teenagers would hang out there. Hell Lia and drink and shit. But I'm not totally sure there's not like there's not a ton of confirmed information about this one. Okay. So I'm going to just speculate. Speculate the way, we do so the spot. We're genetics found it's so hard to reach that to retrieve her body. The police had a con a fire truck with a ladder to get her down her. Autopsy doesn't reveal a cause of death because of decomposition, but there's no signs of trauma the corner. Didn't find any trace of alcohol or drugs in her body? But the toxic report did show an unusually high level of lead, which is never fucking explain super weird. Oh, and I I'll tell you later about how I looked into that. Okay. Her body's fully clothed. And when it was found and the corner ruled her cause of death is unknown. But suggested strangulation as a possibility I think that's what he suspected early in the investigation the Springfield police department. There's like a tip regarding a homeless man living in the woods nearby. A man known as red, but he's quickly eliminated as a suspect. And basically, it sounds like he was the only person who really. Like a suspect. So this is when rumors begin to spread in town. And you know, how can towns like this read rumors Heli hawk? That's what they do. It's what therefore and it's nineteen seventy-two. So guess what? Those rumors were about. The mac. Sorry. You're right. That's just a small subset of vehicle. So so rumor speaking to spread that Janette spotty is laid out in a way that suggests Saguenay shit, which is like dude in the seventies. And then especially the eighties. It's ramping up to fuck in satanic panic, these, you know, it's these it's these towns where people are super religious. That's like what their fucking lives revolve around is church and the community and idea of Satan, and the occult and s-, and like satanic rituals are fucking a real threat to the constant in their mind. A real fucking threat. Yeah. Between I'll know isn't really a thing. Right. And oftentimes if there is anything satanic actual satanists are very peace loving, right? And not really about that. And the people that are doing that are usually drug drug addled teens yet are just using that symbolically to like scare each other and themselves. Yes. So they they think that this is real the the room. Spreads that there's a bunch of different accounts. But including that, she was found on a makeshift altar. With a halo of stones around her head anonymous person wrote into weird nj dot com. Website, claiming there was Aero's carved into trees leading to her body, and she was surrounded by dead sacrificed, animals and other ritualistic bullshit. The most common argument is that she was found surrounded by a logs place to be like to look like a coffin around her. And then like someone puts sticks in crosses like all around her almost like setting it up to make it look like it was satanists, which is exactly what someone who is in a satanist would do. Yes. It's basically freak out about this thing and get really scared around it over here look over here look over then I'll just go back over to this store that I work in right Akmal, and then you won't be looking for normal person. 'cause you're looking for a satanic cult. And hey who started those rumors like was it? You might have been you. Right. Right. Well, we'll get to that gossip the real devil. After school special, caring. Okay. Because it was the seventies. And people back then left nothing more than to believe in Satan. These rumors spread like fucking wildfire fire and soon the media can picks up on it too. They're like knowledge in it and saying this is what people think this is what happened and saying it's true and the diplomas so her family were born again evangelical Pentecostal Christians, I don't know if all those three things are the same. They front the it's again subsets the pentecostals are some of the most intense okay versions Christianity rate. So they're pentecostals which is weird in this like suburban mostly Italian Catholic people and they're born again. So they're like ES do that. They're like, I believe that they're extreme sex of Pentecostal sects, Seton SEC t s that those are the snake handlers will. Yeah. And okay king tongues and shit. That's right. So they were okay. So there was a pastor there. The pastor of that congregation named James Tait, and he was totally fire on brimstone, dude. And like, you know, he put on these like sermons that were like fucking exciting, and you're gonna go to hell with the devil or and time than a handful of glitter. Feddie just ended out three hole punch. It's not going to be this fun. It's not gonna be this. You get you'll get a glittering ill stick their you ever had like a card full of glitter. And then you've glitter on your. You were thinking, but this is noxious that's a living. Hell, and that's what you're entering. That's satan. Satan is a fucking envelope. Full of glitter. I tell you about the time my sister Snead's, she's news and she sneezed glitter grammar school teacher. That's amazing as an ex Raver, I presume. And respect it respect to your sister. Okay. So there were evangelical Pentecostal people and genetics genetic parents were super into it Ginette attended services with her parents right Yuli and was ball involved in the youth group. So there there's this thing about her that it's like half the people are like she was a wild child. She was like rebellious in crazy in the other half are like she was really religious and going to church, but it sounds like is she had been kinda partier and smoked pot and all the shit and then right before her her murder had started to go to church and kinda get over that phase of her life. So, but it doesn't sound like she was ever really like like a bad girl in any way. She was just hanging out listening Led Zeppelin smoking pot everyone in the fucking seventies. Did yes. And and I think the could have been simultaneous where she was because her family was very really, that's usually how it happens in. That's what you're rebelling against. Like, if you're if you're in like, a born again, Christian type of family, whatever it gets real real strict and narrow and so there could have been however it happens, I'm line wise. Those things go together right billion and hardcore, you know, button-down religion, just like she was a normal teenage girl age in area. And so the pastor and the parents help fuel the Tanic fucking panic in town. Yes, pastor James Tait is quoted in papers from back then describing Ginette as quote, extremely religious in a very devout Parisian. Are he goes on to say that he believes a group worship the devil in the woods where genetic found Ginette may have tried to quote lecture them about Jesus? He says, quote, I'm sure Janette herself was not involved in anything like that. But I know that many of the other young people in the area are involved, Mike. How do no one's telling you about their fucking satanism, dude. It's this kind of thing. That's just like it's just there's no tolerance for other people not for the struggles that other going through and also no tolerance for kids and and teenagers of your own communities, basically saying, let's source out. The the anybody weird from right? Yeah. You're and if they're young, and they can't defend themselves, or they, you know, if they do go out in the woods because their parents aren't around ever Satan. Let's get the weakest of our community and just load all this on. But it's also a warning to all the fucking parish the kids the people in congregations hang if you walk out of this fucking. Church. If you don't stay in here. If you don't give us the money, we're asking for if you don't pray as much as we're telling you to you're going to become like these other people. So you better fucking stay here. Right. And meanwhile, we all know, and we've heard so many of these stories that it's like it's never it's never that. No. And you're basically misdirecting like the entire communities mindset about something that is a murder that needs to get solved. Right. Actually, exactly. You know, there's probably law enforcement on in this who are in that church. Sure. Do you know what I mean? So they believe all that. Okay. So he says these kids tell us that that when they are on drugs. They are in the control of Satan did things they didn't wanna do because of the power of the of evil, which I'm sorry. I just fucking saw my popcorn ceiling moving around when I was on C Satan. I mean, I've been filled with the double since day one. But that's on me. I mean, I realize it's kind of fun. It's it's always felt like a little bit of a tickle. That's right. The article went on to say that both Ginette and her older sister had drug problems, which were quote solved a few years before when the entire family converted to the church of God, so rebellious kids, and they were like we're going to help you. So this pastor ran an evangelical outreach program that ministered to adolescent substance abusers. He did it. For real. I think so get out of there. Okay. How does he know how to help substance abuse? Right. It's not his area of net for teas. And it's possible that genet- worked on that with him. So like she might have been involved in that. So he claimed that quote Janette had Ginette may have been a symbol of Christ to these devil worshippers. And that's why they killed her meeting. She fucking happened upon them. And they were like smoking pot and shit. And she was like Jesus loves you and then killed her. Because of that that's not a thing that doesn't happen when no one needs conjecture as point. Sorry, New Jersey. It's not that fucking. It's not that. Careful. Let's not mess with the state of New Jersey nineteen seventy I'm not talking about. Now took people can't fight us. Great. Later when he's interviewed for this book that I told you about death on devils teeth. He changes his whole fucking story and says that she was definitely involved with some occult things. It's so strange that she wanted to be involved with that, especially when her family was getting so involved with the Lord, which sister say isn't Trish, her sister's like she had no fucking occult books. She didn't have devil worship bullshit nothing. No. So the Tate son who's now pastor as well goes on to say that they dated is as teens right before she disappeared. He said we dated for several months. I cared deeply for her. She was an awesome young lady. She broke up with me because we could not see each other enough. I was sad about breaking up in holding out hope that she would return, and maybe we could get the relationship going again. But it was not to be. She was missing for six weeks than her remains were discovered. So many he saying like they were breaking up while she disappeared like come. Oh cows come you look into that a little bit? Yeah. They're all still alive. So I'm not going to say their names. That's a good idea. So genetic parents were insanely religious and believe the Satan angle, MRs depalma told a reporter that genet- may have met her death by persons possessed by the devil. So of course, the fucking town goes ape shit. Yeah. Right. And everyone's losing their mind over it. Some have accused her church of having something to do with the whole thing like we've been talking about. And the saying that the pastors like fervor around the Satan thing is just a distraction the weird thing that's not mentioned in some of these articles about the story is that nine days after Ginette disappeared. Another young woman went missing nearby. Twenty four year old Joan Kramer. She was a graduate student Columbia when she was last seen August fifteenth nineteen seventy-two hitchhiking home after she'd stormed off after a fight with her fiance, just as fucking heart. AM she walked about a mile, and then called a girlfriend about midnight to say she was going to taxis. Take her home. But witnesses say they saw a man drive up in a car and ask her if she needed ride. I mean, it was a seventies. Everyone fucking to that yet. She was missing for thirteen days when to teens found her body lying face down secluded wooded area along the Elizabeth river, five miles from her home and six miles from where genetic body was found while and that was nine days later. Okay. They didn't connect the two. An autopsy indicated that she had been strangled, which is what they thought had happened to Ginette. And there are other similarities they were both, you know, beautiful brunette parted on the middle hair, which is like seventies normal. Both ought to be strangled. And and both ladies had been missing their necklaces. Ooh. Yeah. Trophy. Uh-huh. So for for the murder of Joan. The second Joan Kramer, disgraced and drunken is how is described disgraced end drunken accountant. Yes. How his described the only people I wanna party, right? His name was auto Nilsson. He had a long history of mental instability in domestic violence. He's identified as the person who picked up Joan Kramer that night only because detect detectives or like, hey, he looks like a composite sketch who let's follow him. Let's arrest him. Let's bring him to trial. Yes. No ono. I know it's not good because he's not he didn't pick her up. Can't just base it on the composites again looks like it. It's okay. But they're saying they're saying he's the one that picked up purely because he looks like, okay. I'm sorry. Yes. No, I must've. I probably didn't say that. Well, they basically you look like this picture, you are the person that right? And you have some you know, you have a history of mental instability violence great. This is our guy. Let's get him. And let's make the town stop worrying about the murderer on the loose. And you on this guy. Exactly. So he's. Great rate. I need this thing. So sorry. I can't with that. Okay. He's arrested and tried for her murder that juries like sorry. We're going to need more information than that. And he gets acquitted good. He's released. My mind now that I understand what we're doing. Kind of people. Now, you realize that we're in. What is it? Twenty nineteen nineteen seventy-two. It's not nineteen seventy two. He is committed to a state psychiatric hospital in Trenton. He stays there. Dies in nineteen Ninety-two. Let's so something was going on with him. Yeah. And despite this crazy fervor and insanity surrounding them of Jeannette depalma. It quickly goes cold. The case isn't closed, of course. But the case files for her murder are destroyed by flooding during hurricane Floyd in nineteen ninety nine. So there's no there the files are gone. Oh, no. I know and to this day people in that area won't fucking talk about it because they are convinced that it's a sate satanic ritual. It satanist it's witches it's an occult murder. So they won't even talk about it. 'cause they're scared of that. No, which I think is the perfect fucking cover for someone who has nothing to do with the fucking a colts. Yes. And it's just a murderer or perhaps the opposite of the Colt someone involved in a church. Jess, right. And so you know, how I said that they found. Hi, the high traces of lead in her body. So I went down the fucking rabbit hole of exercises. Is there ever led anything lead used in? It couldn't find anything Adly, but how solid. Yes, exactly. You're like, well, I'm the one that made the connection where holy water is filled with little just confetti lead totally water that I mean that would be that'd be satisfying. But that's like, you're right. It's the perfect setup. Where you set you? You light the fuse of devil worship little crosses with sticks. That's all you have to do. Right. And everyone that bomb goes off. And then that's all anyone a look at. And meanwhile, there's just somebody probably sitting in that town or two towns away, that's a serial killer. Right or could have kept on going. There's so many. I looked up like new because there were some other couple other murders of young girls in the area and the time, and I went to a website that's just scrolling and scrolling scrolling of fucking young women in New Jersey who were murdered around that time, and it's like pick any of them in there. So K, so many cases, home and cold cases. And there's two serial killers that are like the torso killer. Like, it's just buck. Up yet. Yeah. There's so much of it. I am drinking canned wine your life easier. It really does. And that's the devils teeth murder, aka the murder of Jeannette depalma. Wow. Fucking cat Solan who our friend wanted to make a whole like true crime puppet show. Yeah. And have that be like a serious one? Have that be the first case? And she told me about it. And I was like oh my God. This is insane. I remember she was talking about that. Because she's does these amazing stop motion and puppet shows. She's such incredible artists that would be so cool enough before. Yeah. Yeah. Her show is the shivering truth on dealt swim. If you wanna check it out. It's fucking awesome. Amazing. You won't believe what she made its with Vernon chatman. Yeah. From who is one of the creators of wonder shows and who ever loved wonder shows in which you better have fucking. And you know, Vernon he's one of the first comics ever met. Really? Yeah. I did it a competition with him in citrus heights. Like three months after I started stand up comedy in nineteen ninety is weird. I know citrus heights only because of Michelle McNamara's book. No, it's not Golden State killer. It's one of the reasons I hate Sacramento's. Because of the Golden State killer. Yes, I resent his crime. That's fair. I took a personally. Okay. So we do some fucking Jerez suet. I'm not. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to put this in words correctly because this is a different thing than that thing. We talked about of saying thank you to live show our live audiences and this massive five month tour that we've been on. That's just wrapping up where our next our final weekend is next week, which is amazing. But there was a moment when we were at those Dallas shows when we were in the meet and greet. And I had this weird moment where in the way I tried to explain it to Georgia real time. Was it suddenly felt like I caught up to what was happening he'll time, and it almost made me cry because these girls walked up women, and they started talking, and it's just it's a thing. That's to us now, normal and natural. But he's stand back from it a little bit for us. It's insane. That we even do that. And they wanna meet right? And that and that they get excited in the nave stuff to tell us, and there's a lot of really big positive energy. Yeah. But I think my way of dealing with either negative or positive energy is accepting. None of it and just being like, no all these stores are shy. And I'm just gonna get through this L process later on by my side, literally talked new therapist about that today because it's a lot to Societa ding. You disassociate when you don't understand what this new reality is. And this has been you know, we talk about this all the time. But in this moment almost felt like I no longer had this fear of how overwhelming and huge these feelings are and it was like who it felt so good. And I think it was a couple very young women. Have lately told us that they're proud of us in those, and it's very genuine, very sweet. And it is that feeling of like because people always walk up and go like, you don't know us. But I know you, and we always say in its hokey. But we're always like, no, we come no. No, you and. Yeah, you know, we know each other. And that's we're all this kind of. We're all we're all type of person sensitive pay attention to to gruesome things, we know each other type of person. And so I just had this moment that that it's felt like almost like really concentrated gratitude and appreciation and kind of like wonderment all at once where I was standing like a couple of feet back. And then I was like you're I was gonna start crying that. I'm like you will make this so weird if your run crying and the meeting. So I had to pull down the those metal of the window coverings that the businesses have on Hollywood Boulevard, I pull those down internally and just go don't cry right now because that's for them. Yep. I'm fine. Yes. Don't look away. But it really was a very cool moment because it was just like the reality of this life that we have now, which is awesome and cool. But it's hard. It's hard to feel the reality of it from the insomnia just been on gogo mode. Yeah years. Yeah. We haven't had a chance yet to like to contemplate it. Right. Like, I haven't had a chance to go to yoga and meditate on it. No. It's been so crazy. Yeah. And that's our excuse way. We haven't been doing. I love yoga. I love you. Doing it. Any moment is need me. I love it. And there's lots of people that come up in there. Like, I started yoga because. But whatever I guess overall. It's just it's like a another one of those gratitude moments, but it was very powerful. Because it was like it was just that feeling what a great fucking thing to fall into in how how ideal it is is an experience because it really I just love every goddamn aspect of it. Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful things. I almost don't want. I'd almost want right on yours. No, get off mine. You do your own. No, we have one worse as kind of rich down and he bought his that. I share with you that went broke. But he I this Palomino. Leg. Your sister. Get on the horse with you. Karen, Karen, let your sister get on the horse. Let's do that. No, say something. My what's your real one? Okay. Well, my Bearup is died six months ago. Yeah. And it's been weird and hard and part of the the wall that putting up around everything you just said is included in that. It's like I can't deal with this right now. But it hits me sometimes. And it's big. And so two things happen. One is at the grand old Opry show her mom came because her niece heard do a little dedication to her. And we realized it was her Kim that is talking about and played it for her mom, and so they drove all the way to come to the show in Nashville yet. And I gotta meet her in hug her and it just meant so much to me. And the other thing is that I was given a token of hers that actually had always meant a lot to meet this beautiful necklace with this. Nice gorgeous stone. It's a black amethyst. I think it's beautiful. Yeah. And I had really lovely necklace. It's and it was gifted to me last week. And it just meant it means so much to me. And I'm I can't wait till I ca- process feelings around that. But yeah, I know they're going to be heavy and hard when when I do. Yeah. And it's just it's it feels meaningful that. I think that I can carry on what she gave me which is an understanding of my place in the world, and what gratitude means and how to deal with the hugeness of life and the heaviness of of being vulnerable yet. And so I really appreciate that of her, and yeah, that's that's beautiful. Will it's true. It's like the. You know, we were talking about just before we started taping where it's just like it just never stops coming. So we think we keep thinking or I should say I keep imagining that you you work, really hard. And then you get into a safe space. And it's like in that you I am Agean that that is all my work in therapy or in business, or whatever is it's buying me safety from vulnerabilities safety from bad things happening safety for but that is never gets to happen. And there's no you can't guard against it. And you can't pulling down the metal walls of your emotional store. If you do that too much they will rust shut, and as a person who felt like when I went into their be that those walls could never come back up again for many great reasons yet, it's it's you what you're doing in my opinion, watching you having to walk through this horrible thing. But it feels to me like you're taking the thing. She wanted you to know. No, the most and really keeping those in the forefront. Yeah. As you kind of process, or or, you know, not process, right? Well, it's the thing of like when you put those metal gates down. It doesn't keep you from bad things happening. It just as that when they happen. And it's say it's the end enjoy any of it. Right. And you didn't get experience it fully and used to end you for my the way mine work. I cut myself off from relationships because I decide that's what's not safe. Right. That this is what's going to happen? I'll controlled this this amount of pain. Yeah. Because that's where all the pain comes from like other people fucking dying or disappointing you or or rejecting you whatever. When actually you're cutting yourself off from the only thing that can make you feel better. Yeah. And those things of them dying and rejecting and disappointing is like if you felt them with your whole heart, you know, with the outcome be the same. Or would you just be more grateful for the experience? Since rather than seeing how fucking shitty was right. Right. And we said that before, but it's like it is the going through life. If you can. And it takes a lot with the idea that this could happen at any minute. You should live like it could happen any minute. And I do not an anxiety way. Right. To new way. Yeah. It's a new way. But you had to learn that lesson the worst possible way. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. To big stuff heavy shit. This is not just a podcast. We're more than a podcast where book we're book now too. We're book and a website and exactly right podcast network. Please go listen to the murder squad and the per cast and the fall line, and do you need a ride and this podcast will kill you. We're of course, our new venture for the brand. 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Christopher Porco

Murder Minute

30:15 min | 10 months ago

Christopher Porco

"Hey you love music but have a hard time. Keeping up with the Tabernacle we gotta show all about news so join me Joan Array dummy and me cash flow weekly feature nailed it as we discussed the current events in the world of music with our guests cross replacement of music from listen things can get pretty heated first of all fucking or we always guarantee sounds when you're asking so check us out wherever you listen to podcasts and if you want your music featured on this show emails Jona Radio R. A. Y. At G. L. DOT COM before we get to today's Today's headlines were excited to invite you all to dig into bonus content engage with a murderer minute community and talk to show creators Himalayas plus download the Himalayas APP to get these perks and early access to episodes the first five hundred subscribers will be entered to win a five hundred dollar gift card and and now your true crime headlines a trial is underway in Chicago for two gang members accused of the execution style murder of a nine nine year old boy in two thousand fifteen to juries were seated to hear the case against Cory Morgan and Dwight Boone Doty who are accused of murdering during nine year old Thai Sean Lee in two thousand fifteen and what prosecutors have described as a retaliatory execution of the son of a rival gang member. You're both juries will observe the trial and each jury will render a verdict for their respective defendant a month before the Chicago fourth grader who was murdered the brother and mother of one of his accused killers were shot by members of a rival gang which included the father of young Thai Sean Lee Cory Cory Morgan whose brother was killed and mother injured in that shooting vowed that he would seek revenge and set his sights on his rivals young son on the day that Tashaun was murdered. He left his house after school to go back to the park and play Basketball Cory Morgan and Dwight Boone dodie spotted the young boy at the park still in his school uniform and Boone Dhoti approached and struck up a conversation with the child he lured him into a nearby alley with with the promise that he would buy him a juice box once they got into the Alley Dwight Boone doty's shot tonle twice in the head at point blank range before escaping into a waiting getaway car attorneys for both men are trying to pin the blame on the other both men are accused of first degree murder order and could face life in prison if convicted a third man Kevin Edwards who prosecutors say acted as a getaway driver pled guilty last month to first degree murder and was sentenced to twenty five years farmer Dallas Police officer her Ambra Geiger has been found guilty of murder in the killing of her neighbor last year Geiger had just finished a thirteen and a half hour shift when she entered the apartment of twenty twenty six year old Botham Gene Who's sitting on his sofa watching television and eating ice cream. She later told responding officers that she believes that she was in her own own apartments located one floor below jeans and that she shot the man believing that he was an intruder over the course of the week long trial prosecutors highlighted for the jury several visual cues that Geiger had missed including a bright red doormat placed in front of genes apartment Geiger's own apartment had no doormat the also read salacious text messages between Geiger and her married partner on the police force with whom she was having an affair geiger had been on the phone with her partner in the minutes before she entered jeans apartment and in the moments after the shooting she texted her partner while waiting for emergency personnel L. to arrive rather than attempting to render aid to the dying man. The jury deliberated for five hours before arriving at a unanimous guilty verdict geiger faces a sentence of up to ninety nine years in prison Lula's star and former conservative commentator commentator stacey dash was arrested after an altercation with her husband at their Florida home dash called nine one one to report their husband had assaulted her and and put her in a chokehold during an argument responding officers observed red marks and scratches on her husband and arrested dash fifty two on a charge of domestic battery dash was released on five hundred dollars bail dash worked as a commentator for Fox News from two thousand fourteen to two thousand and seventeen and later considered running for Congress in two thousand eighteen in legal documents filed in the case Dash reported that she is indignant and unable to afford an attorney. A judge granted her request for a public defender and has ordered dash to provide proof of her income. Those were your true crime headlines up next the story of Christopher Porco that I a quick break welcome back to murder minute today. The story of Christopher Christopher Porco on November fifteenth two thousand four in the early hours of the morning Peter Porco a fifty two year old state Appellate Division Court clerk and Joan Porco a fifty four year old speech pathologist were asleep deep in their home in Dome Our New York when an intruder entered their home the assailant lint took an ax disabled. The security alarm climbed up the stairs entered the couple's bedroom and brutally attacked them as they lay defenseless in bed when the intruder was satisfied that his work was done he he dropped the acts on the bed and walked out but Peter Sometime in the early morning after the attack regained paned consciousness. Peter got up and started to get ready for work he put Johnson clothes over his wounds. He went to the bathroom and attempted to shave. He then went downstairs to the kitchen and loaded the dishwasher. horrifyingly Peter was going about his morning routine like a ghost leaving a trail of blood all over the house as his wife dying in their bed. Peter's brain was on autopilot his neo cortex which controls higher brain function was badly damaged in the attack but his underlying lying Paleo cortex which guides instinct inhabits was intact. He even made breakfast. Peter then went outside to get the morning paper but the front door locked locked behind him. Peter took this bear Hausky than was hidden in a flower pot and let himself back in leaving the key the in the door as he finally succumbed to his injuries he lost consciousness from blood loss and died just inside outside the door. When Peter PORCO failed to show up for a trial the following day his co workers were concerned and at their request court police were sent to the poor Coz home to check on him but as the first officer approached the house he knew before he entered that something was wrong? A key was in the post front door and the door were slightly ajar. The officer looked inside there on the floor at the bottom of the stairs was the body of Peter Porco ago his head bludgeoned laying in a pool of blood upstairs. Police found Joan barely clinging to life in the couple's blood-soaked bed Joan was missing an eye and part of her skull goal. Her jaw was crushed her brain was visible her face severely disfigured and her arms were covered offered in defense wounds but joan was a life paramedics attempted to give Joan oxygen oxygen but they couldn't find her mouth. Joan had been struck in the head with the axe three times. Peter Sixteen paramedics worked to save Joan Detective Chris Boden arrived on the scene modish new the poor 'cause he had met the family before two years earlier are voters had been called to the Home Joan and Peter Porco they had been broken into and two laptops were stolen but detective voters knew immediately that this was not the scene of a robbery. There was no sign of forced entry a no valuables had been taken taken to detective voltage. This attack looked like the work of a friend or family member MODISH official approach to Joan and asked her five questions. I bowed ish asked Joan if she she could hear him. She nodded yes. Did a family member do this to you. Everyone in the room watched another nod from Joan confirmed. Yes detective detective. Modish knew the couple had two adult sons twenty three year old Jonathan Porco was lieutenant on a US Navy submarine and twenty one year old Christopher Porco was a student at the University of Rochester three hours away. Did Jonathan do this he asked Joan shook her head. No did Christopher do you. This joan nodded. Yes detective bowed ish asked her again. Christopher did this Joan again knotted. Yes Paramedics Rush Joan to the hospital where she was immediately sent to surgery and slipped into a coma police began searching for her son and Christopher Porco but Christopher was two hundred miles away according to his story. He was alone in his dorm warm room. When a reporter called the reporter he said Cold Christopher to ask for a comment on the murder of his parents? Christopher said that this was the first he heard of the attack he then called the police department who confirmed with the reporter had told him but informed Christopher that his mother wasn't fact still alive in the hospital in North Hi my name is Chris Forego call by Union saying that parents I found that fascinating on information from my Vanturi. I'm at school in Rochester New York. I in a dorm there tuncay. Do you have a dorm name our because Monroe okay you're hearing from the Times Union. They called me tonight. Parents are found I guess that into our anything may have some more information for you. Christopher left the university in Rochester and rushed back to Donmar as surgeons attempted to reconstruct Jones face and skull Christopher PORCO was taken to the police station and questioned for six hours. Your mother is communicating. Detective detective voltage told Christopher okay he replied the detective added she saying you were there at the house. I don't know why she would say that. Christopher replied modish pressed. She knows what happened but Christopher didn't flinch which I hope she does. I was not there. Christopher told detective bowed ish that he was sleeping in the lounge of his his dormitory at the time of the attacks I love my parents dearly he told police Christopher for PORCO cooperated fully consenting to have DNA samples taken and to a full physical examination but there wasn't a mark mark on him for Anzac analysis of the crime scene found no fingerprints and no blood other than the victims the house or on the murder weapon investigators checked Christopher's yellow jeep for traces of blood but it was clean when police looked for evidence of whether Christopher had driven his yellow jeep on the highway on the night of the murders they found no no record of his Ez pass going through the toll that night then a new lead came in Peter Porco had once received a death threat from a man who had lost custody of his children in a case before the New York State Supreme Court the man man had vowed to shoot Peter Porco and the judge but when detectives investigated the threat they found that the man had an airtight alibi there was also a series involving a family member who had been jailed for organized. I crime a former loan. Shark named Frank Frankie the firemen Porco a great hunk of Peter's police thought that may be Frankie the firemen had been considering ragging on his associates. Perhaps perhaps Peter was murdered with the firemen's acts as a warning not to talk but Frankie PORCO was was in jail specifically because he refused to cooperate so the theory fell apart police followed lead after after lead all were dead ends but while they still had no physical evidence against Christopher Porco investigators now believed ah that they had discovered his motive Peter and Joan Porco had recently taken out life insurance policies totaling totaling one point one million dollars and Christopher had recently sought out investment device from a financial santeuil counselor. He told them that he was about to inherit millions of dollars from a relative then investigators learned not before the security system in the PORCO home was smashed the code had been typed in deactivate the alarm the attacker had smashed it in order to cover his tracks the case against Christopher PORCO WHO's coming together three weeks after the attack. Joan Porco woke up but now Jones said that she had no memory of the attack in fact Joan now insisted that Christopher was innocent. What detective Bo dish hadn't forgotten he and everyone who had been in that room saw Joan confirmed that her son Christopher had been her attacker are there joan had suffered memory loss due to her traumatic injuries or she she was protecting her son but she herself had pointed the finger at Christopher Porco and police were not about to just let it go? Oh Joan Porco wrote a desperate letter for publication in the Albany Times Union defending her son Christopher's innocence. I am absolutely positive that my son Christopher was in no way involved with this heinous crime I employ the Bethlehem police and the district attorney's Office to leave my son alone and to search for Peter's real killer or killers so that he can rest in peace and my sons ends and I can live in safety the Albany County District Attorney said of Joan Porco position. It's not uncommon for victims of certain crimes to not wish to cooperate with law enforcement or not to agree with the direction action of an investigation we have victims of domestic violence who often display those same sentiments in this case Mrs Porco Oh certainly has our sympathy but we are going to continue along our investigation until we bring a person to justice for her and the death of her husband the Year Long Investigation occupy detectives statewide police probed more than six hundred leads but all of the evidence pointed to Christopher on Friday November fifth two thousand five almost a year a year after the attacks Christopher Porco was indicted for the murder of his father Peter Porco and the attempted murder of his mother Jones the investigation attracted so much media attention that the trial was moved one hundred miles outside of Albany an in an attempt to avoid a biased jury on Wednesday June twenty eighth two thousand six Christopher Porco trial oil began Joan Porco walked in arm and arm with her son and maintained her belief in his innocence. The sense throughout the trial the prosecution argued the Christopher Porco pattern of behavior was consistent spent with psychopathy or sociology Christopher Porco had staged several burglaries of his parents home over the years stealing their electrics and selling them on Ebay Christopher then failed to mail the items and posed as his own brother sending emails to customers explaining that his brother had died and that he was unable to deliver the items items Christopher was failing school and had forged his college transcripts. He lied to fellow students telling them that he came from a rich family with ocean front homes Christopher even applied applied for thirty two thousand dollar loan using his father's name and social security number in an email sent a week before for the crime. Joan PORCO confronted Christopher Darden. I are very upset about not communicating with us. We don't know if you are Arwel or mentally stable. Dot is about to have a nervous breakdown. Do you understand that you are not behaving responsibly. Peter also wrote to his son. Did you forge I signature as cosigner. What the hell are you doing? You should call me to discuss does it. I'm calling Citibank this morning to find out what you have done and I'm going to tell them that. I'm not to be on it. As cosigner Peter later then found out that Christopher had also taken out a line of credit from Citibank to finance his yellow jeep wrangler again using his father's author's name Michelle Mckay a law clerk who worked with Peter Porco testified that she recalled Peter himself describing his youngest son as sociopath. Peter again wrote an email to his son. I want you to know that if you abuse my credit again I will be forced to file forgery affidavits in order to disclaim liability and that applies to the Citibank college loan. If you attempt to reactivate it or use my credit to obtain any other loan we may be disappointed with you but your mother and I still love you and care hear about your future on Monday. July twenty fourth Christopher's older brother Jonathan Porco took the stand. The naval lieutenant told the jury that enacts kept in the family's garage appeared to be the axe used to attack his parents aw the prosecution's theory was that after Christopher had racked up enormous amounts of debt pretending to be rich kid Christopher realized iced but his parents life insurance might be the solution to all of his problems. Do you know if you or your brother were the beneficiaries of your mother and father's will the prosecution asked yes. I did know if either my mother or father there died. One of US would be the beneficiaries said Jonathan was your brother Christopher ever a part of these conversations nations. Yes Jonathan said because we would probably talk about over dinner. Jonathan then explained to the jury that the security alarm system was installed in his parent's home after a burglary during Thanksgiving weekend of two thousand two and that only the immediate family knew the four digit code. Jonathan never looked at his brother Christopher during his testimony Mooney. Dad was a hardworking guy who loved the law and he was a good father. Jonathan Porco Porco said the prosecution presented their timeline at ten thirty PM. PM On November Fourteenth Christopher PORCO got into his yellow jeep wrangler and left the university campus in full view of surveillance. It's cameras at eleven. PM The yellow Jeep Wrangler passed through the toll on the highway and Christopher PORCO paid cash in an attempt to avoid being detected through the scanning of his easy pass but analysis of DNA found on a ticket confirmed. It was Christopher's at two fourteen. Am Christopher Porco entered his parents home and deactivated the security system by typing in the passcode only known to family he then smashed the keypad in an attempt to avoid avoid detection sometime later Christopher found his father's axe walked upstairs to his parents. It's bedroom and attacked brutally murdering his father Peter With sixteen blows to the head but failing to kill his mother other Joan who he struck three times at four fifty nine. Am Christopher then cut the phone line exited the House and drove away in his yellow jeep and at eight thirty A. M. Christopher's yellow jeep wrangler was captured again on surveillance cameras returning to campus over two hundred neighbors in the vicinity were interviewed after the crime took place. One of them testified that he saw Christopher's yellow jeep parked in the driveway five-way on the night of the murder Christopher Porco defense claimed that Christopher was in the dormitory lounge on June the night of the murders and had fallen asleep on the couch. Christopher pocos defense claimed the Christopher was in the dormitory Tori Lounge on the night of the murders and had fallen asleep on the couch but nine of Christopher's college friends testified that they they had been in the lounge watching a movie that night and Christopher wasn't there even after hearing all of the damning evidence percents naming her son at her attacker and her husband's murderer when Joan porco finally took the stand she never wavered in support for son. I did not think that he was mentally ill Jones said when asked about the email that she had written to Christopher just days before the the attack on breaks during her testimony Joan walked over to Christopher the defense table smiling at her son talking ever the affectionate and protective mother when asked again if she remembered the attack Jones simply said no I think because of the brain damage that I had Amnesia Christopher Porco never testified during his trial nor did he show any emotion and on August his tenth two thousand six after a seven week trial and the testimony of more than eighty witnesses Christopher PORCO was found guilty guilty on December twelfth two thousand six judge Jeffrey Berry sentenced Christopher to fifty fifty years to life in prison. Judge Perry said I fear very much what happened. In the early morning hours of November fifteenth is something that could happen again. Christopher PORCO is serving his sentence and Clinton Correctional Facility and will be eligible for parole in December of Twenty fifty two Joan Porco still believes that her son is innocent. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime download the murder minute APP or follow us on Instagram at Myrtle minute and now for twenty four hour early access ad free and bonus episodes checkout murder minute on Himalaya

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FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #115- Joan Cros

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

34:02 min | 5 months ago

FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #115- Joan Cros

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I like doing these there a lot of fun. I like calling guys like Joan Cross up and who I know nothing about and talking to himself greatly. Appreciate the time for these and here. We go. Ethics are Racing Race Texas bench and privateer island life and now as promised on the racing race tech suspension privateer island life number. One one five. I Guy I don't know much about but I want to get to the bottom of it and talk to me a little bit. It's Joan Cross. What's up man. How are you? I'm really thank you? Thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Yeah me too. You know to to be here. So how's the season going so far? I'm really happy You know Last year was my first season here. And what's really difficult? Because I'm from Europe's the raising defriend attractively friends so here. I don't get more you and you know it's the best in the world so I'm I'm happy you know the the man. He's the main goal he's main We've been made for the moment but you know my writing is getting better all the way so so. I'm pretty happy. Yeah it's it's definitely a judgment right coming over from. Did you do the French supercross series for a long time Yeah I You Know Niro all my life and I need to spend you supercross championship. But they're you know that's really easy. It's like a kindness multiple tracks right. It's not the same in Irish. I and yeah we came through. Us like one week before Anaheim and wishes to to carry and but yeah the. The bikes are amazing. I I need to say thanks to the Jonesboro guys. It's our dealership that he helped to us You know really good. So so I'm really happy Where are you from? And I'm from Barcelona from Spain. Okay yeah so so you never did the French stuff or like so. You didn't supercross in Spain. It's smaller stuff. It's it's it's smaller than America. Yeah might be made Paulie was easier with me and my in my home. We have a beaming in Spain and he was writing there. And you know it's really it's really different you know it's like Kinda because the style I wasted all my life full. You know we not only in France. I mean the protocols like genetic parties All these races I raise every year but You know it's a different style and you know we're here it's Way Better about no literally Eyeso- so we need to keep pushing every year. Yeah Yeah it's a lot different. So what made you come to America last year? Like how did you spend money out of your own pocket? Did you have a sponsor or what made you come to America in another year and yeah you know? I'm betty thankfully because I mid Poli and and he meant his family. He thanked me like one more of the family. You know and and we don't team and writing here you know we'll be in a possible you know we are a normal family. Or my father was was a razor. Before she whispering the seventies But you know we are not the rich families and come here. It's real difficult for Spanish guy and now you know I'm not. I'm not young like some years ago. So so it's not difficult and I have had these year Hiromoto is a Spanish belived from from Spain. He helped me a little bit and then You know Bali and all that exist relations. Correal helped me through the state here and I went here for first time in two thousand eighteen for only three. Okay do you know and I work at like three years for getting the money and you know. Save Jews these money for that. I spend like fifteen k four right. Yeah for right longest for you raise and and what we live in. You know. I know that a lot of people a lot of writers cued in US money but only you know the top guys know the other guys. You know it's a difficult way but it's what we love and is it the championship in the wall. And I just want to know to be here to learn and we've at the right so in two thousand eighteen and then I meet Baba and last year he helped me all this stuff and is amazing no only can be full thankfully and you know and in the in the way. I made it a lot of good people that helped me here in. Us and you know. That's that's amazing for me. No you know it's it's it's my dream show. It's awesome for Bubba Bubba to do all that. That's cool for sure very nice. Yeah Yeah and you know and just Baba and and all the exists career. You know the team. We are like family. Feel that the now we are like more than a theme. You Know WanNa Almost all the people of the of the team worked for for no money. You know he's just work for love and we write for law and so it's like a different kind of team. I think that that the other teams that you can see on the on the you know And you know it's it's amazing. We have a lot of guys like Ronnie proud or Noble Eagle Guys. He helped to as long as you. You know they see the difficulty of of the you know that. So so they can. They help to us. And it's it's amazing. Let's that's awesome that you do that because you probably could. Could you have stayed in Spain and race motocross and supercross and made some money? Like could you have? Yeah Yeah you could have probably stayed in Spain and all right. Yeah no yeah for sure if I say Spain I can. I can wait a little bit money and save money you know in my in my my family I say. Do you like my worst bro. And now he's like motorcross tuning wars. We prepare you know the giants and suspension for the racing and we have the theme so so if I have a multiple school so we've added I can leaving expanding win money. You know We love that and we can raise all the lives. You know who have only. Here's the body is able to do to me. You know like last year I remember like after ten ways as my destroy it you know. I wasn't used to to that. It's not only the ray thing you for sure. I'm I'm sure that you know. Not You know. It's all the trainings working on the by. We pretty much all know you know so so maybe you write all day you work on the all day and then you need to the supermarket and you need to drive and you need to cook and so yeah yeah. It's a lot of work absolutely and that's awesome that you wanted to do it and try it and everything else you know like. That's that says something for you for sure can you? Did you do the French supercross series like you know the ones that go to Geneva and Bercy but Yeah Yeah. Yeah it's always? Yeah okay. So how is the money in that? The money is not bad. But you can't compare in in with you as you know. In the store the the winner takes twenty five hundred okay Yeah in some raises three three. Yes three thousand three hundred twenty five hundred so he's not bad but if you compare like here for winds so it's a big difference but like in the race as I'm from Spain and when I read in France sometimes I need to drive home more like eight hours. Countries are more smaller always more clothes. And it's the right right. Are you a little intimidated? Sometimes when you go out there on your racing against Chad Reed or these other guys Are you does intimidate us? A scare you man. I was I don't know I know that some people you know is like this always liked the fans and these people ask me in Spain. Oh Manny race. We've tried we always say. Yeah but I don't know I don't give a fuck you know my Is it true you know? I just wanted to fight the position for sure. They are fostered of an aspirin. And you know but normally I used to be a good start there on the on the stars in the race and you know we have a stock by completely stuck by we have only like a no-name exhausts my grandfather. Spain us and we have only the floor and the reclusive Clutch and the Vikings Dog. We have You know advice guys help us the suspension but also like with a with Talkin in shock. You know the Forbes and Shug stock so the Vikings amazing because he's a Stuck bike and sometimes you know In The L. Cure Day. I got the whole show in front of the factory bikes. So so yeah. It's really cool. That's cool. No that's awesome. This is a race tech show too. So those guys are great they. They help out. A LOT OF PRIVATEERS. As those fx are and it's also show brought to you by firepower. And Max and Amirah as well so thanks to those guys for coming on board. What did you. What was the biggest surprise to ray super cost for you like you mentioned the bigger tracks and everything else? But what was the biggest surprise so for me? The most difficult thing was like that I can prepare with a pre season championship. You know Because You know more time you stay here you need more money so. I come always like one week before and also the things. He's not easy. I have the visa for six long front so I can come. You know a lot of times and for me that the beach everybody was like the the the practice looks in the tracks. I really small you know. I don't know where the people practice the world only by you know you vote to milestone. And now you know all these dragged in California and the wolves are you know or she the really really small and then you wrote to the raises and are really be and you say Oh man you know what was the first. Three or four raiders. I raised it here. My surprises the worst practice. I see okay that it's not that difficult right then. You're dragging also we when I started. You know I have a group C or now Ruby right after the factory and you know you know when when the fifty rides you say okay. It's not the drug is bad. The roots are not that bad but You know factory guys go through the three to four fifty s and man the threat is you know companies destroy it so yeah one group see the group see guys. Just get screwed. You know it's time. Yeah now. You're in the B but you know the the more difficult thing for me was learned. The tracks You know when the tracks are broken that the new say okay. You need to John. These rhythm section eight meets. Say Okay Okay I think General Maura are no but you know yeah. We don't like this year. We wrote Today's the president and I think that it should be big help like you know. I think like the factory guys for sure. They better writers but they have better. Viking they write more time and then in the practice they ride before you know like the first races when I went here and I seen like the factory guys jumping all the reasons in the first lot. I watched a little man. What the fuck whole do that? Then you know you'll see that they wrote like forty minutes you know the day before. So that's you have to be held for me. Yeah you can do fells pretty good with letting all you guys do the press days when you want to write they they kind of let you guys do That's the word from Baba and or managing in Kuhn's they were without we shown from health. Yep exactly how it works but you know I understand that. Not Everybody can ride the the phrase days and but I like it like Saint Louis Our race race hometown. And you know we went to fail in the morning for. Its right to help the the secrets and we made some radio and TV stations interviews and things for you or he meant so and then we ride the the press so I think the thing is is pretty good. No It's good for us for this porn stars and also I like you know to help the hospital or the things like the Saint Jude's thing and and you know then after that you can write like half an hour and the track so it's really good. Yeah no it is pretty good. What do you do after supercross? Where do you go you go back home? Yeah Normally like last year I went back home in the super groceries into. Spain are in the summer so normally I was raised with Baba. Also we'd raising my in my team and yeah. I won the championship last year. So so yeah. The the goal is you know. Go home and try to to to warn again. Same idea right. Hey so are you aware of this? Yamaha privateer Elsie Q. Challenge we're doing a mix. Yeah Yeah I know. Yeah you're leading right now. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah I so. Yeah so your boss. Oh Man. Yeah because I didn't so before you know the the rules and the things because I co- I go to the point where they see. Oh Man I I will sir last week but I think like San Diego or in another rate hike crush it and they'll seek you. I didn't finish. Oh boy they say oh man. I'm bad but then I see that I will serve the now living. So yeah so it's kind of cool. Yeah Yeah you could be in line for some cash the end of this thing but what we do. Is We reset the points after this weekend? So you'll probably get in and reset the points. And then we have like the final seven rounds. I like chase like a chase to the championship. So keep I mean obviously you WanNa make when you make the main event. You don't get any point. So that's the ultimate thing but if you don't make them in Joan you know there could be some cash. No no yeah for sure and you know can be a good health for come back next year if you if you do that no you know you but yeah for sure I'm I'm focusing in. Tried to made the man you know. I think it's it's more and it's not and you know I was like Balaj raises like seek seven hundred. Sixty seven eight so The goal is is you know we're training high with Baba hold as I just won't be better writer. It's because I'm here you know so. So yeah the goal is is is made the main noise like It's like my dream and you know for some guys you know. They don't make the main day they. I really met like for me. You know it's it's one of the goals that they have so we could go for it. What if what if you're coming up on Bubba and you need a spot and you need a spot for the for the main. What if you're racing BUBBA for the spot in the main event you know when we training we right pretty hard you know for sure. We don't go on you know on the practice Yeah the last couple of weeks together like the race You know race mode all the time so so for sure we fight for the for the last spot you know. We need to be aggressive He will be will be you know you have lamey you know and the on the block but you have a blockbuster and then you have a dirty meal. You know exactly. Yeah what did you make of the Barsha? Tomac thing this week pretty good right pretty exciting and man. I I was watching. The Manny was really fun. You know what's really good? I don't think that that was really really really there you know you know. I think that you so A lot of worst positive like Barsha. He never cleaned so I I don't know you know That's that's raising that super secure. Alex Rae men may have looked buys and he gave me a hole in the in In Michigan cover and almost my bike was started. Smoking Lounge was yeah. I was riding release low last and the sand go into my mother so now we need to remove the motor and yeah we waited next week because now we are in Florida. It's amazing anything so thanks. Thanks era you jerk. Now you know what? That's your drugs but I do. You know it's like this right right. What do you like about America compared to Spain? I'm Canadian so I'm not American. I've been down here for twenty years but not quite the same as going from Spain to America but what do you like about America. It's like if you if you love raising. If you love motorcycles are newlove multiples you love Super Gross. Diminish the rest of the world. So it's it's really. I like you know in Barcelona He's a really nice city. We have a nice weather for these really good so so for sure for Living Fair Barcelona about you know You won't do a unit to to stay here and you have you have for sure a lot of cool places a lot here. My favorite ways. What's Nice meal and here? We don't have not yet but I love that place. Was I think Pretty Cool? Like let's see it's pretty cool right. Yeah Yeah and now we are in Florida now. I I like Florida also brawl in the in the summer. It's a it's probably just like Spain the summer right. I mean good. You guys are pretty hot. Shit Yeah. I live in the north and and Barcelona. It's it's pretty good all the air but yeah if you to south Florida like California sorta right do you Have you ever for Spain and donations? Yeah I wish that the two thousand twelve in the sand one is you know I was there. Was it bad? Did you do that do shitty or was it? Okay yeah no not at all three of that. You're now Normally not now. We have a lot of Spanish that I do it in the sandbox twos. Because you know they move like like Horford brother I know he from all life My father made it. He's motors when he was really. Oh Wow yeah motors suspension. When he was young you know in the sixty five and the beginning from ninety five factories him and you know the family. They are really really go on the family his father his mother and I really nice and and you know he made it like now his. Everybody looks like Oh. Hey pro you know you know. He's amazing he's the ban. Sure he is but behind that. It's a a lot of things that the people will know like like when he was like thirteen. And if I'm not wrong twelve or thirteen years old yeah He moved to Belgium new room. All Day raining He's the really good work in Spain and they left all for move to Belgium. You know he sees there that she's really nice also She moved she left the teas France. New School you know new language to learn to speak you know Flemish and and you know all the all the language from there and and you know and they move it and really you know if then after that the kids will be good. They're not for sure. It probably was a special style but You know that's what you know what you gotta do. I guess that's what you gotta do to be to be one of the Yeah Jeez Yeah. Yeah for sure and they move at you. Know they have it that good works and they started to work in in a probably a little bit more shitty works deuce for for leaving for the need you know and and now when you see him you know winning the world championship in these things is is amazing. You know because the they used to be that that you know probably everybody happy stories about how he's already. Spain's best ever motor costs are I would guess. yeah. We haven't Garcia Vico. Some guys got Barragan godless combined. Yeah American For me and it was one of the vast for sure and we have it in Super Grossman where he was wheeled. Robots in a lot of yeah was the only Spanish hero before before it on me here. You know like all the championship And and yeah. We had Carlos campaigner. He was like the first Spanish to be a world champion but watching the Annex Championship cheapie. By but yeah probably for sure you know now is the best and and yeah. We hope that she can win. Way More Championships and Garcia Vico was pretty good too. He wrote here a little bit right. Yeah yeah he was here at the end you know. When he was older retired came here. Yeah for for some nationals. About he had some big garage and remember exactly what she. Yeah but see if you go west like the first Spanish guy. That's he. You know. Move to Europe and and the Star stew peas and show the people that you know that I can do that. Goes you now now? It's way more easy. You know the kids with twelve years old they go through the roof and championships or the Loretta Leans or union where they can move with the Internet and all the things that you know like twenty years ago it was the end so yeah no How embarrassing to Cool Guy Johnson Baragan? Yeah Yeah Yeah I know him. Also from all live also like my teasing giant and suspensions like when he was skiing Yup and yeah he was amazing right there. I will him in his home when when I raised at. Gp's I wasn't his home. He led me stay in his home. Oh cool zoom so yeah You know the motorcross Stanley. Everybody knows everybody and all the family of Jonathan is really good to firepower. With over fifty years experience ministry firepower commits to quality value. And Service for your machine. They offer chains made in Japan batteries and oil to stand the test of any power sports vehicle firepower parts DOT COM since two thousand and one to mirror has been supplying fact you level Pistons and gaskets for every make model from two wheels to four from weekend warriors to winter x athlete. Darren me's Alex. Rae who put a hole in? Joan CAUSES INITIAL COVER. Niemira advanced piston technology as increased performance and reliability out increase in your budget and the Mira Dot Com and the folks at Max's tires as well speaking of Alex. Rae Uses Max's tires. Aj kansal using Max's tires Max's Dot Com and this is the effects are raised Texas. Privateer ISLAND SP- podcasts. So Joan if you if you had a choice joan if someone said hey we can give you ride for super cost a we can give you a ride for Amex. Gp What do you do? What would you do for somebody to go for sure on you know I? I read that the that he you know Some years God I it's crazy. I don't understand why the people Like the previous their writers right. Ups because it's a thousand dollars for the entry fee and you don't have pure Simoni only You like the bone was from the themes. And if you're if you don't have to be or you don't have a big sponsors you learn you. Don't give nothing change. It's crazy. Yeah and the world championships have raising China and in your gut the Argentino you know in all the world and it's great. He hold the people to spend that much money You know when only left the factory guys one a little bit of money for sure. It's not the same here in us. And I know that like me. I'm not here for for for the but you know when when you need to to to pay one thousand dollars for ride and they don't give you nothing and they win a lot of money. Say What's not man stupid so I don't know like a thousand sixteen I wrote was my life. Gps thing and and even I almost I don ward sometimes because I like to watch her and then we have also some more Spanish guys about really I like to watch Supercross can't blame you. I mean the only bad thing is you're away from home. You know what I mean so if you're a CPU could be home sometimes here and there right but yeah not you know. It's that is the point that the difficult support me. Mommy wants a little bit difficult last year. Because you are far from emily and you know my girlfriend. That's I also I can be more thankfully from from hair because he she never tell me nothing about. Don't go to US or don't go to ride or comeback before home before you know. She know that that's that's my agreement. She held me no Now just she's here this week but I will see here all this season. Maybe like three weeks or two weeks so so. That's not an easy thing so she doesn't. She's not scared about you. Meeting an American girl settling down in America. You know when I was more young I was a you know You know I I like it more you know with with gals in these things and they say okay. When I found my my gale gale needs to be good so now. I'm good in that you know I'm not scared to say to the people before. Yeah everybody liked the woman so I I like it. The woman's and I like it all these things you know now I change it a little bit and I'm with here because you know you wrath more time for rest and you can focus on the reasons also so so for that also is a really good thing. How old are you by the way? Yeah I'm very now tell you okay. Yeah I have a young Beijing. Everybody's telling me twenty three twenty four. Yeah but I'm saying you know you know my kid who was eight years old so it's like I'm kind of you know I I know that I can be better in all the weeks i. I'm a little bit better so so feel. I see that I can make a Parisian you know. I know we will stop right right. So were you pretty young. But did you go to Motoko? Nations and ninety six in Spain Yang Yang was there. Yeah Okay Cool. How would they do you remember that? Yeah Yeah Oh for sure you know my we. We have it My father was raised in. And we have it that the and then my mom have it. The shop that she sounded like Golfing and all these things and he was like ninety. Six or ninety five deals thousands all these year. We made all the she'd be walk. You know how when I had like six years old. Wow you know I went into or is this all my life. I didn't know that okay. So Yeah you've been tied into Spanish motocross for a long time with your dad and everything. Yeah yeah yeah in the standings and the hippies are all now my my father is a little bit more older and I'm here in us and he's like a little bit dire so he don't want the theme for Hippies and and and they send you an hour. It's always difficult to to have a good riders in the team. You know it's it's not easy. So now he work more with the kids and the team that we have and you know he's he's more fun run. You know you you can see the kids that the you know the fe they have and and you know that they won through to be a What across all racist. So he's really. It's really cool. How how cool was that Tracking Seville? God that looks. That looks like fun. Yeah you know I remember more than the videos than remember job. Yeah don't kill John. Yeah I think I have. Equal was one of the first job and and Yeah. I remember one guy with Scott. They split the bike into their juicing. Shit that's funny. How's your FSR gear? How do you like it? They're a big sponsor. This is is the main thing you know. All the guys Is a big help for the pre about there's and You know the the the know normally you you have brands depends in super girls. You know you fight a lot with the with the legs and the knees on the on the bike and somethings. That pains are going into weeks and man weekend ride these spans You know all all the weeks and we don't have problems and the color of our brain is also. Yeah you know you know. There are a Canadian company Joan. Yeah I know yeah I'm Canadian. So that's like my gear. That's Canadian company. No Man Hey listen you WanNa win that money from Yamaha? Because that means you didn't make men events but you know good luck in that maybe you maybe you will end up making some money and making some main events you know that'd be the best that will be the best. Yeah for sure Daytona. Did you do Tony last year? Yeah Yeah I I love it. They WanNa live here but was my war special up on the air. So it's a weird. It's a weird race right. Yeah Yeah we we. We wrote it last year before they throw in some like they say oh there's like they don't have they don't it's not super cross but man here they have You know a lot of sketchy rhythm section and wash. I think what's real supercross by and I don't know this year looks maybe looks more more fast. I don't know and maybe more it definitely man I wouldn't WanNa race it as a racer the shadows and the ruts and everything else and it gets so breaking bumps and everything else. It doesn't it doesn't look fun to me. That's for sure. So Yeah Yeah. Yeah a lot here. Well this has been the fx racing race tech suspension privateer island podcasts presented by MIRA and the folks at firepower and Maxis with Joan crosswell. John Thanks for coming on really nice to catch up with you and now I feel like I know your story a little bit and yeah man. Good luck with the rest of the season. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much having me and yeah keep the the working you know you made the I really well. Well thank you very much. I appreciate it talk to you. Talk to you soon bye bye.

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Hereditary (2018)

Bloody Date Night

1:10:06 hr | 1 year ago

Hereditary (2018)

"All monies out there ready to go ahead and bring this bring. It's today. Plenty money's that's cute. Everybody's a bloody buddy to me. Hello, everybody. There's actually a podcast called blended buddies buddy-buddies. So I feel like maybe we can't call her friends. Our listeners bloody buddies anybody's do like it just like calling it the people the the people of the cult. Yeah. Blood east, the bloodies, bloody date night cult that doesn't matter. We don't have to give a name to everything we just I just love. I just love being heard. I love people listening to me. And that is the truth. Dulcet tones of my voice. It's right. Oh god. Oh tongue Klopp. What does that mean? Liz, and means I were taking a little Branch What we're doing hereditary. We're doing a new horror movie. Yeah. God that is so gross. You have to not do that. While stop doing it when you stopped listening. Boom hereditary. All my gosh. Wow. Yeah. Got a lot to talk about should we she. We just ask how each other's doing? I. Yeah. So I mean, what we're trying to do this new idea since we're doing to episodes a month now that we would start doing some more recent horror movies. Yeah. And we chose a gem. Oh, did we choose it? We chose it. No. You chose this and the beauty about this is that when it showed up on Amazon prime I said to myself, I can't watch this by myself. I have to share this with the person that I love the most. And it was you. Thanks, and I'm not gonna lie after we got done watching this movie. I don't think you spoke to me for at least a really bad mood. You. I think hated me. I wouldn't hate you just this movie really stressed me out. And so I was just the mood finished kind of take out the garbage. So the garbage. And I was like I'm going to organize this. If needed to find something to do. Do because it was just stressing me out for those who don't know. This is a movie that came out a last year twenty well two to twenty seventeen. Okay. All right. Twenty seventeen. It's twenty nineteen. Oh, that's right. Whole man new year. New year are used to get bright more stop writing twenty eighteen on my checks. So case, you didn't know this movie came out in two thousand seventeen Toni Collette Gabriel Byrne. Milly milly. I can't remember last name Brown Milly Ono. Her name is Millie the the girl who plays charge opin. She's from Broadway Gina that. She she who is she she Oklahoma. No, she was she was one of the original matilda's with Matilda was on Broadway. Oh, Matilda she plead the Milly Shapiro. That's okay. Does she play The Danny devito? Yeah. Or the repairman roll call them. She played all of his relations, really good in this movie. So if she she played like all the other roles Mathilde, I wouldn't I think she might be the one that I so they had three Mathilde that kinda rotated through. And I think he may be the one that I saw you know, what because she has a distinct face match. She looked crazy in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. But she was really good. Just good taste. She goes. Okay. So going back this game out last year twenty seventeen twenty seventeen. And this was a movie that I remember hearing about in in people were like, this is a really crazy ass movie. And not only was people are saying like, it's a crazy ass movie. But it also was like really good. And I was like, okay. All right. So I have to go check it out. Yeah. I saw by myself. Yes. Because you actually, I don't think I asked you to go with me. No. You were talking about your news push. You wanna go see this probably not? And then I actually I went on with compete. I read all the spoilers for the movie, and then I went I don't think I need to see this movie. And so. I didn't go with you. But honestly, I had forgotten all the spoilers that I had read by the time. We watched it. I remember I remember coming back home after seeing this movie or fucked up I yet because you really house movie I was like. Like was so fucked up. Yeah. It really did mess with me. Because like me, I don't mind going to see movies by myself. That's fine. Yeah. Also, I love it. When it's kind of me and a smattering of other people because they're like it kind of look like a porno theater in the seventies. Like, we're all in different areas of the theater doing our own little thing. And so I was so clearly like it was like maybe like twenty people in one theater, but the reactions in the theater during this movie sounded like it was a thousand people in the. Yeah. I mean, there's some really visceral all stuck in this movie there Jesus let's just jump into. Let's just get into. Oh my God. So tree houses. What we see? I yes, we get a lingering shot of this tree house. Oh, no. Actually we start with the bitch way for the grandma. Yeah. And then we see the tree house. We see those little doll houses. Yeah. We hear horseback noises. I was confused by horseback. I don't know what it was now later, I think it was the car on the road. I think it was like that. But at the time, I was like why are they fighting horse? Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I don't think I don't know. I hated the sound design in the beginning of this movie. Hated it. Really? Yeah. Why? Because it was just weird noises. Didn't like it own really thought it was too much. Then it it gets really quiet later on the movie. I actually preferred it when it was more quiet man what I wouldn't give her some comic relief in this fucker. Somebody throw a pie or something birds shit. Maybe that was the joke. The drivers I really aren't places where you can laugh and sort of like release that tension because it's such a tense movie. There's not there's no like real release points. Maybe that's why it's that's so I'm sorry. Just to stop. You really quick. If anybody has not seen this movie be aware, we are going to spoil a lot. So if you haven't seen this movie at go and watch it or listen to the episode and do whatever the fuck you want. I don't care. I'm not your dad, am I. Yourself that. So. Yeah. So so then we see family. There's like a brother and a sister mom and dad they're on their way to grandma's funeral. Okay. This is my first question, but Carly the little girl. Yeah. She in highschool bull. She says she's thirteen right? So she looks so young. Yeah. Well, I think she's got. Your high school to me? She looks ope. A really, yeah. She's like small, and she's a lot oversize clothes. I thought the gym also. Does she special needs? I don't think so. Okay. Because the clicks. The vocal tics immediately. I think I specially the misdirection though. Oh, okay. That's the misdirection is we're supposed to think that she is special needs because the beginning of the funeral. They're like she's eating the chocolate. Does everyone. You're very much baby her, and I think that's why I was confused. Like how old she was? And sort of how that was go. Okay. Yeah. So. But we have the funeral. And apparently, nobody is upset that the grandma died like nobody cares. Everyone's like good things. No because like Toni Collette gives eulogy and she's just kind of like, she's just no world. She's just like my shoes. Like, my mother was very stubborn, and she was just like a very assertive woman, and she was very private, and we laid around the move. We start to realize it Toni Collette gives more of an idea. She's like choose extremely controlling. Yeah. And she was just like she wouldn't she got really she when she had her first baby. Which was a boy G didn't have any contact with her mother during that time. Yeah. Until she had charge highly and grandma wanted Charlie to be a boy wanted her to be a boy tried to breastfeed her God wishes, and then we see that in the little Dollhouse miniature later for AP starts to manifest itself as little things. Also, if you're sixty years old, don't try to breastfeed. I mean, we've figured the Willie dry. We figure it out later. But yeah. So so nobody's really sounds about grandma's death. Except for Charlie Charlie Charlie was grandma's favorite. That's why. Also to breastfeed, which is the one the one thing that sets me off immediately. When this movie starts is that when it's an open casket funeral which is also like such a fucking weird thing to do for kids. I'm not not weird. But I mean like, I get it. But it's just such a very traumatizing thing for child, but to look to have this little girl, look and see her dead grandmother. And then look to the right? And there's a man smiling at her. That's where the guy was from. Yeah. Because we see we see him at the end we see him in his big old Dong. Yeah. Because that guy when he showed up at the end of the movie, I was like, I know we saw him over to couldn't remember where. But you're right. And that's where that's where he was from. Okay. Yes. So he's smiling at her and I'm like oh shit. Yeah. He was really smile at funerals. He was he was creepy. So blonde. So so blonde, which was very scary. He got off his pack, sun shifts. Yeah, I don't know. But like adult men who are that blonde are very slippery. He's who's that dude? Who's that dude? From ninety fiance that Jesse Jesse. No, not just see the other guy. The other guy who who wanted his girlfriend to beat his his fiancee to be a model? Yeah. He's a skateboarder guy. I never remember his name who you're talking about the, but it's him. He looks like him, anyway, I'm really pleased Egypt made in AJ fiance. Reference to me, and you're welcome on this podcast at everybody else on their doesn't know what that is. But yeah, it's one of my favorite garbage shows as you know, it's Josh apparently is absorbing some of the information about couples, I hate it. God what about Louis Colt right now? My God big titty, Louison, stupid Colt and big tinted Kohl's. Well, yeah. Yeah. Colts got some titties on aid. Anyway, I don't I okay decide. Trek? He's a person trying to emulate human behavior robot to trying to imitate human behavior. I think that's what he is. Yeah. He doesn't know how humans really I think you're it. Anyway, like at the end of the season if like his head opens, and it's a smaller person inside of his control in Krang from teenage features. Yeah. That's amazing anyway. So so, yeah, we get the like Charlie's allergic to nuts, which is a big thing that we have to remember. Yeah. Later on because they asked her it's like your she's eating chocolate this movie. I was as a little heavy handed with the symbolism. The lingering shot of the of the tree house and the lingering shot of grandma's weird necklace and the lingering shot of someone chopping walnuts. That's not symbolism though, that's kind of a little bit for shadowing. Or maybe that's it's like heavy-handed foreshadowing a little bit. I get it. Because even though I didn't know it was going to happen. I was still like, oh, okay. That's going to be important. Oh, like, I don't know. I we should have been a little more subtle thing. Like like, good, brighter. Say dialogue has to be information. All dialogue has to be information. Yeah. Yeah. That's heavy handed. No, I'm talking about like the long shot of that girl chopping walnuts. For brownies is, you know, stuff like show it, I know just funny anyway. So so so, yeah, they go, and we kind of start to see what kind of family this is. Yeah. So grandma mom's going through grandma's boxes. And she finds all these spiritual books and these cryptic note lake make it's creepy stuff. And then she's just kind of like weirded out by and that's the first moment where she sees her mom in the room. Oh, yeah. Go smoke goes grandma. Like, that's what I like about this movie is that. The beginning things that happen are so subtle because you because you're just like did I just see that? That's the other thing too. Because like I've had moments when my grandparents this is also a great movie to a watched after I lost. Both my grandparents in the past year, true keys. So. Win win win either died. I remember like specifically like seeing things and being like, oh like, you know, it's like you you'd see things like in the dark and be like oh fuck like it looked like the outline of. Yeah. Yeah. I know that so that was the whole thing. So. Yeah. Like, I'm doing well. So, but it's it's a movie about trauma and suffering. And if you know, what's what's funny is so at the end of the movie, obviously goes off the goddamn rails. No, doesn't it's just a typical family reunion. But the bulk of the movie is really just like a really strong family drama that happens to have some ghosts in it. Yeah. And then it goes Colt. Yelm, totally off the puck and rail. Oh my God. Which we'll talk about that ending when we get to the end. So. Yeah. So we find out like she's got all these books. We find your Peter is the stonier that's similar to the sun. Yeah. Typical typical son. Yeah. He's a stone her and he likes to play music, and you know, whatever these typical sixteen Charlie Charlie builds these little like robot things little figuring building. Yes. She's building like not menagerie no options. Yeah. Yeah. She's kind of doing the same thing that her mom's doing fucked doing what I did when I was little just like make little people. I like to do. When I was like, I would I would take garbage and glue it altogether. That's right. You did. I would like I would go and I would go like out to construction sites in graphic cigarette. Butts in styrofoam and glue it all together because I'm a trash boy. Yeah. You are trash boy were the smelly kid Heyman. I'm a smelly kid, but I got a hot wife so eat Dicks Loku's. The smelly kid now. Who's smelly? Boy. Now, I am still. So you smell nice now. Thank you. Yeah. I do smell nice. I smell like what do I smell like what would you describe my smell as? I know you say we used to smell like clean, and you have that Cologne that smells really good a smell like a good clean, man. And me always all you always smoke smoke. It always smell nice and good. Yeah. We're we're we talking about how we smell. Oh, so we go to class and brother is learning that we're all pawns in a hopeless horrible machine, which okay, which is kind of a weird way of looking at this movie. Yeah. I mean, any any time there's a movie with a classroom in it the class, whatever they're learning that class is. To the movie only gonna get three sentences of it. And that's just not just how movies work. Because you never I don't think they ever have like a like an arithmetic class classes in movies are three minutes long. And then you get the bell. Yeah. Rate. Let somebody important happens. Yeah. We also let's also. Talk about should we wait. Okay. We also forget that like Toni Collette goes. Okay. So that's the other thing to mention is that they were looking after her when she was sick. Yes. So Tony goes into her hold her mom's old room, and it is bear in except for that triangle in the middle of the room. Oh, yeah. Do you? Remember that? Okay. And then she's like, can you? She asked abriel burns. Can you lock up the room or something? Can you make sure that nobody goes in there because she thinks something had happened or weird's or out which is understand? So, but this is also the moment where he gets a phone call saying that. Oh, yeah. The cemetery calls was the grave spin desecrate. I secrete he doesn't tell mom. He doesn't tell Tony club. Yeah. I mean, which is crazy like I thought that he would I don't know. Like, maybe it'd just be like too much. He's dealing with. Yeah. Like who the like that would suck to just after a week after mambas away, you find out that her craves been that's fucked? No only see when they desecrated its like own earth unearth. Yeah. Syria, like, we don't know where the body is sort of situation, which is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We get that crazy scene where Charlie's in class in that bird hits the window. So we're talking about. And then later that's the comic relief. That's closest to get to a joke in this movie. And then Charlie goes outside and she cuts off the birds already dead. So no, no, it's still really gross stuff. And she puts it in her pocket. Yeah. I mean onto her sculptures like a trash girl trash barrel. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's a pigeon, pigeon sculpture. I think I'm the I'm not sure if that was a pigeon or not I think it is. Yeah. So that's an mom mums after recovery group. Good for her. Yeah. So yeah, she tell her like she's taking care of her mental health. I think that's a very it's a take care of yourself type of thing. That's a good thing. And we get a little exposition from that. To learn about like how they were estranged and her brother committed suicide her brother. Like a teenager, and she has a history of mental illness. Yeah. There's a lot of shit on her mom has DID and dementia and her dad starved himself to death and he starved himself. I forgot him. Yeah. And all the stuff, and she's the only one I think that's really kinda come out unscathed. But is she? No after not because if she's broken if this movie is showed as anything it's that she is very much broken person. Yeah. So but I was like good for her. She's after the recovery group, which is also a. Kind of leads to her demise. Yes. But you know, she's trying she does make an effort. Yeah. That may come home and brother wants to go to the me s about going to some school barbecue. Well, he says school barbecue. I mean, it's not really we know what it so. That's why she's like the mom's like, oh, take you should take Charlie confused. How how close in age the two siblings are will. He says he's seventeen and she and Charles and thirteen that just seems like four years difference. Yeah. But still that seems what I don't know doesn't that seem like maturity wise like thirteen year old and seventeen year olds hanging out. It's weird. Don't know. I mean, I I mean, Charlie just kind of weird in general weird in general. But I mean, I think the moms rationale was like she just needs to hang out with normal kids kids, but she needs to hang out with kids. She's to be more social now all the shit's going, and I get that. That makes sense. I mean, the best seemed weird like age wise, it seemed a little weird. But I get the reasoning. I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's I think that like, yeah. It's it's a good thing. I think that like when you're that age in something like this happens. It's okay. To just be like, look you need some time away from family. Yeah. It was good. I mean, it's nice that they take they take care of each other. I needed some time away from family when all the shit happened. Guess what I was all around family some a little break. Go cut loose, which is what they're going to do. They're going to go. Yeah. They're going to cut loose. But before that, Charlie seeds sees that lady on fire in the woods. I think that was I think those grandma. I just saw like person. And I thought that was that was grandma looked too young to be grandma. But. Yeah. Ring a fire in the woods. Super sick. Yeah wild. Yeah. Charlie. Just does all these crazy weird things. And we're just like not knowing what's going on like a kind of a weird perceptive kid. Well, it's again, it's that misdirect where in horror movies, you always get that thing of like there's like come play with. Yeah. That she's like the most susceptible of the family. Yeah. But if she done. But. One big old. But but so this is when shit starts to get creo. So you wanna set up the first week at that very sinister shot of walnuts. That's my note says sinister shot walnuts. Yeah. Yeah. It's when the show so Charlie ends up going to the party we enter, and it's a typical high school party. People are drinking in a very nice house by the ball. Yeah. Lovely. It. Sounds a lovely house one of you designed it. But yeah, they're like they have k-k there and somebody's chopping walnuts with the big ass knife. So for the Kate. So Charlie is basically like I don't wanna be here. Peter's like I gotta go. Get my smoke on this hot girl. Wants to meet smoke weed with our? Yeah, we're going to go do that the gateway to a lot of good relationships is drugs. I was gonna say that guys a lot of stupid shit. When a hot woman tells them to. Yeah. I'll leave my my sister here to go smoke with you. Sure, no problem. So men are dumb. Yeah. So they ended up using that same knife the high. Yeah, the the cross contamination contamination is horrible because you use the same knife to cut the Kate that they served to Charlie. That's sinister net allergy. That's what it is. Sinister nut allergy which is another really cool band name. Okay. Yeah. I'll take it. Do you wanna know you take it or sinister nut allergy? So soon as allergy em we're gonna we're gonna put you in residency city winery. Oh, really classy venue. So do you have any like really nice kinda slow Paletti songs? We could play while people sit there Merlo. Oh, yeah. We have a couple of piano jazz. This one is really good is nuts in this. Throat us. Get a really tight. At a song. Go. Again, breathe. I can't. That's cool. Cool. Thank you. Okay. We'll call you ready. Six hundred dollars song. So Charlie obviously has fucking allergic reaction. Yeah. M Peter is high getting high balls? Yeah. He's he's up in the clouds right now. Fist fighting God. That's how it is. So he's so yeah, he's he's Charlie comes in. She's like I need to go. It's hard for me to breathe and he immediately freaks out. Yeah. Gets her in the car drives. Also, this place is in the middle of fucking. 'cause I also realized just realized that they told their mom they were going somewhere else. So he's like in the. The mom doesn't know where where he is have you ever done that like you've gone to obviously you did. Yeah. Hi. It's going one place and gonna go study. And I did get caught it is once I got caught. So I told my mom that I was going to Daniel's house shadow to migrant Danielle who sometimes listen to this podcast a toll. I was going to Daniels actually gonna go see my boyfriend, Ian, shadow to Ian, personalises five gas. Yeah, we're friends with we're friends with musical front. So is gonna go see, Ian instead of going Daniels house, and I my parents always call when you get there. So a cold, and I was like, I'm at Daniel's parking the car now, I was actually with Ian. And then my mom called Daniel's mom, and I was not at that house that she called on us. I don't know she need. She had to ask me something she needed me for something because she called later, and then she panicked. Yeah. So that's when I got caught. Oh other times didn't get caught the best though. It's not really well. Yeah. So my friend Tiffany in high school was like a secret WWE fan okel. Oh, cool. She and I were buddies on a project, and she goes, look, I know my parents nobody bought two tickets the WWE. So we're going to tell my parents that were studying together at your house, but we're going to go to the WWE is that's what we did. She just didn't wanna go by herself. Oh, so you went to the WWE. How was it? I didn't know this. Yeah. We snuck. She just didn't want to go by yourself. Tickets are gonna go or break versus the your Tomek where wolf. Yeah. That was funny. We do it can't believe you help this from me for so long. I could've sworn I told you this street cred now. Thanks, pretty nice. Yeah. Good for you. We did we snuck out to go. See wrestling. Yeah. That was pretty funny. I forgot about that. That was when we were like sixteen seventeen shit. That's really I don't think I ever got caught. Kina? I I would bet that your mom knows them. And she never said anything. She probably does. There was one time. I I think they had to have known that this happened. I snuck out late at night to visit a girl fell asleep at her place. I woke up at dawn got my car, drove back and snuck in through the back door and. Fell asleep on the couch and in your living. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I went back, and I fell asleep on the couch in the living room. Oh, yeah. They probably they had known. They might not know where exactly why are you wearing the same clothes from last night and sleeping on the couch. The bed your bedroom. Right. Yeah. There was there was one time. They also came home ahead like a dozen hickeys on my neck. And my mom got really super upset. That's pretty like you're wearing a turtleneck to work. So I was like at walk BUSTER. And I looked like a fucking nerd I was like a very like like a you owned eternal, Nick. No, my dad might my my mama's like dad's like my dad. My mom was like your barring. Your father's turtleneck, and you're gonna wear to work. And I was like. Like a fucking doofus. A turtleneck wearing a turtleneck with my blockbuster shirt over it. I looked like a pretentious dickhead. Every miss coming up to me. And they're like, so what do you think is really artsy movie? Oh my God. That's funny. Stupid so stupid. I hated it. I rather would have just worn the scarf a scarf. I still would've looked like a pretentious. Way. Yeah. Or just not go to work should have done that you get to call out with hickeys. I don't think that's the thing. You can. When you're sixteen. You can really doesn't matter your career at blockbuster you blockbuster. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, that's stock all these box. That's so fun affect you. Just remembered it now, which is really cool anyway back to this horrible part of the c- we needed some lightness before we get back into this movie. Man. Okay. So so Peters driving, Charlie. He's like going because this is like the worst part movie. I wanted to go throw up or it made me so upset poor Charlie. They so Charlie is not exceeding. She's shot. She's going in shock, and she rose on the window sticks. Her head out Peter sees a dead deer in the road swerves as he swerves decapitates, Charlie with the the Tel the telephone Paul. Here's the other thing that and this is what I wanted. No, listen. I know. I know I want to ask you this really quick before when they're on their way there notice the telephone pole. Yeah. Did you notice anything strange about the telephone pole? I don't think so the symbol that was on the grandmothers necklace has on that telephone poll. I did not notice that creepy so kind of gives a little bit more. Yeah. Ooh. Awkwardness grandma planned it. Or at least or at least like it. Yeah. Is weird. Very very so Peter like all good stones do just go back goes back home. And just forget it just falls asleep. Though was like I was like, oh like after it happened of I this is awful second. God he's gonna have to tell us parents house. Like is he going to wake them? No, no. He just parks the car and goes to bed, which is maybe he's like in shock. Maybe. That's that's my only justification. He's in fucking shock a moment. It's it's awful. It made me the moment happens. He stops the car and he's just in shock. And then we also get lingering shot of Charlie's which also really upset me because the mothers crying at the same time. And she's just like me. Oh my gosh. It was so awful all over it did Toni Collette winning awards for this movie because she should have mom of the year. It was very good in this movie. Moshi should've Gino, she's an underrated actress truly she she needs something soon. Yeah. Like, they need to give her some goodness movie. I don't really give awards to horror movies do that should link. Really move. Right. Yeah. But she didn't amazing job. Well, here's the thing. I think that get out since get out has gotten notable that it has. Yeah. Hopefully now, it's got Italy. Anna start to be a little bit more predominantly recognized as far as Horgos. But we'll see. I mean, I have no connection to the academy. I'm not hosting the next on Oscars. They an asked. All right. I'm waiting. Yeah. And there's still time there is still time. It's either Kevin Hart would be Goldberg or me. I don't think Kevin hearts like having hard do that. Again. I don't think so. Probably not. Yeah. Okay. So this this was a classic. Liz doesn't understand what's happening in the movie. I thought Charlie was debt or a brother was dead for a little bit. Why did you think that because I because he didn't go until his parents? He just went and got into the bed. You'll see him by himself. Then you see the parents talking and being sad amongst themselves. And then he's like standing, but they don't interact with them at all. And he's like in the hallway by himself. So I was like oh my God. Did he also die? Spooky thing. But then it wasn't because then we see him smoking with the boys. So I was like, oh, he's not an bleachers. Yeah. I was like he's not a ghost anymore, but he does have a heart attack. I don't know if it's a heart attack. But he's definitely having chest pains or saving like a domino pains. Yeah. Some sort of maybe an idiot tack. He's got a lot going on goddamn. There's nothing that we can't fix. I mean, he's smoking when he has that attacks. Why was maybe didn't fix it? Maybe didn't fix it. But it may be lost a little bit a little bit. I I mean, I know that when Eva and my grandpa Bob has to way, I was smoking shitload a weed, Dan, just like mellow out. I mean, that's why I got I got tincture ups for my back and for my eighty win when we were in California. When was the when we were in California, we went to we went to dispensary, and I got some stuff for my back and for my anxiety, and it's been great. But it does knock me out like I can't function. Once I take it. But yeah. It does it does. Like, relax me. Yeah. That's what we does. Yeah. But I mean, I think that I think that the self-medication of just smoking a lot of weed it helps somebody it relaxes you a little bit. And puts you kind of a different head space to kind of like contemplating ruminate over everything just paints. Pains grandma died and you killed your sister. God, she's I don't know if there's enough weed in the world to kind of of that it's a lot. I just love it. When we went to San Diego, we went to that dispensary and the woman who was helping us out was so helpful. He was so funny. She was so funny. But like, it would just be really it would be really shitty. If it was like, Peter, she's like, all right? So tell me what's up like what kind. What are you looking for like, well, my grandmother just died three weeks ago, and I killed my sister in a roadside accent? All right. So we're going to get you some some Oregon Kush. There is nothing in the store. There was nothing. There is nothing in the store to really help you. Oh, gosh. Who so we get we cut to mom at the support group because Jesus she really needs to go now. Yeah. Oh, lord. Well, like she goes, but she decides not to go. She's she sit in the car. And then that nice lady comes the car Joan nicely Joan Joni, and she's like, oh, I lost my son, and my grandson, the drowns cheese. And they were like the grandson was what seven yes, she says seven she lost her son and her grandson, they both drowned together. Yeah. No. I don't get somebody just have a good life in this moving say, not at the support group was everyone of this is probably not doing great wanna see aside movie with like, Peter smokin, buddies. They seem like they're having the Baylor haven't they were just talking shit about everybody Facebook status and someone's girlfriend friends at other stuff. But yeah, Joan Joan is having a kind of a rough time to and she's like. I'm gonna give you my number. If you need anything. I mean, that's good. Because I mean, I'll be honest there. I don't like speaking about my problems with a group of people. I mean, I don't know. I just I'm not used to it. But if it's just one person like therapist. Yeah. You know, I'll I feel more comfortable. So I mean, I understand like Toni Collette being like, yeah. I much rather talk to one person. She says she's like I understand how lonely can be even though you're with jets. Yeah. But is she aims seems is so in the manga sleepy and the oh, yes, she sleeps in the tree house because that's Charlie was. Yeah. That was like Charlie's place. Yeah. And then she hears Charlie's little tongue pops. Yeah. We hear that a lot. Yeah. You were else. We hear that a lot drag race as true that is true. So my so could it be that Charlie haunting a lot of drag race superstars perhaps Trent or are. They were they being haunted by Elissa Edwards. Her girl. Great drag Queen ghost, man. How come we don't have drag Queen goes that would be awesome? If I had a drag Queen goes haunting me that would be so bad ass because polls all the shitty clothes out of your closet. She liked tells me what to wear he's like, no. You're not wearing this garbage. And she just like tosses. That's gonna let anybody if you can't love yourself get an Amen. Maybe like it's like it's like all of a sudden just shows up in like humidity like on the meteors real lipstick notes. They leave at the end of the episode. Yeah. That'd be so funny. Also, I know this means nothing to anybody. But I totally did a Rupe. Holes quote last night during our show loved it. I loved it last night. We had a I had a a show last night. I quoted. Your twitter. I live tweeted the other. That's right. Yeah. And we'll mention that at the end. So yeah. So yeah. So they're all kind of like doing their own thing. Also, we haven't really talked about Steven oh the debt, but he's like kind of in the background for the beginning for the first half of this poor man this poor poor, man. And he's a doctor. He's just trying to keep it all together. Yeah. Oh my God. He's dealing with his wife and his kid, and yeah, all this. And he's and he's doing his best to really the anchor a little bit. But it means he's also not you don't see much of him. He just kinda like holding down the fort. Yeah. I mean in every relationship when shit like this happens somebody has to be the anchor. Yeah. You can't both be the boats. One one can be the boat one anchor you switch off every so often. And at this moment, it's Steve Steve's got to do it. He's it's a part of being in a relationship guys. If you are single, and you're looking for somebody to be with that something that you have to understand find your boat, find your boat or your. Drinker or your anchor you're going to have to either you're gonna have to also switch out sometimes trade-off you trade up being the boat in the anchor. I wish there is a I don't know. That's the easiest analogy that we can think I think that was pretty good pretty solid. Good. Thank you. But so Steve is kind of like holding it all together. Yeah. Anne goes to visit Joan. Oh, yeah. And I think she sees the the quilt the quilting doormat that was that's only the doorman has that same weird symbol yet. I don't she wants to miss the first thing she says when she goes inches. You know, my mom just to make stitching just like that. She kind of throws away. Oh, oh. Oh, yeah. But Jones during nice, and here's the other thing though. Given what we know later. I would think Joan would be a little bit smarter with that. You know, what I mean because that was a stupid mistake. But I don't know or maybe it's kind of a subtle symbol to other people. You know, a guess, but you know, like. Like there's certain things I'm thinking like because I went to Broadway con yesterday, which is like Comecon for theater nerds. And there are things you could wear that art like outright, you know, a t shirt that says Hamilton, but like something that other Hamilton fans would recognize be like, oh, we're in the same club. You know, like I like it's kinda like that. It's like a way to signal your membership in this thing that like not everyone knows. It's like so only like true fans. What it is. I say, it's it's very exclusive. Yeah. So it's like you or I may not pick up on it like sign on someone who's in. It knows it. It's kind of like people who are in recovery. They don't say that they're going to alcohols Nana. Yeah. They they ask each other. If they're friends with their friends of Bob or their friends with Bob. Okay. That's usually with that. Yeah. It's a long thing. I don't know. I don't think it's very interesting though. It is interesting bound of anybody would really bear. Okay. So yeah. But it's like it's like a way to like signal your involvement without like broadcast exactly like it's kind of like drawing attention to but not making it, really. But only the people who get it are going to get. Yeah. So yeah, so Joan is in alcoholics anonymous. No. But she. Yeah. I agree. I think that's a good little subtle reminder. That's kind of like this is where this is where the happens. Yeah. So Joan kind of has like little powwow session with any and and they kinda like talk and to get more into it. And. And. Joan is kind of like something's off. Something's weird about Joan. You know, she's like two cherries too cheery a little bit to wanting to help. Yeah. But that's not what we learn about the sans. Joan went to say ons in the sans. Joan wants to get any to assay ends. Well, I did it. I feel so much better. You should. And you have to say I definitely about before. Like if I could just like communicate with this person who died like one more time. I mean, I think it's I would have some closure. You know? I get that. Yeah. I think that it's it's very. For some for somebody who's going through something like this losing so much and such short amount. Now, you do kind of want that moment where you're just like. Yeah. I wanna be able to talk to this person one last one last time and just say, yeah. Yeah. But Joan is not that person cheese kind of cheat. Well, let's let's back up any any runs into her at a paint supply like arts full. Yeah. Like an art supply store. I don't know what. Yeah. Joanie is doing their she convene. She's quilting something. Yeah. Quilt up a storm over there. And so she's just like oh my God. You you don't understand like, I'm so happy. I've got this new thing going on. I did say on and it works. And and he's like, no this is bullshit. I'm not gonna do that. And so finally any any ends up going Jones how she is going. I can't really remember how she ends up convincing yourself to go. She goes, but she ends up going. And Joni I know what it is because she has dinner with the parents and she blows up at Peter and she's like in made released ads. I think she just like needed something to do. So she goes to Jones. Oh my God. That should we talk about that dinner seeing? Yeah. I guess so Faulk who so awful dances to really sad. It was so sad. It's it's so. Exits something she says something in that whole discussion. She's she's yelling at Peter. And she's just basically saying no one wants to take responsibility. No, one wants to be accountable for what they've done which is true because Peter hasn't said anything in regards to what he's done and her mother didn't do that. Because she says that earlier she she never felt accountable for anything. And she never regretted anything at anything like that. So I guess it's very frustrating for her to go through all this shit and have all the stuff taking away from her. And then have nobody be like, oh my God him. Sorry. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So she she's looking for some something. She's looking she's. She's she does to Jones. Yeah. To do this Jones Jones. He just said Jones L E called her Jones John Jones house. So yes. So they go into the sands. Yes. Oh boy. But it is. I kinda love it like Jonas so thrilled by the say on that I couldn't help but be a little happy for her. I. Moving the Cup seems to be much more successful for Joan than anti-trust later will any like opens a God damn hit a hell when she doesn't. But you get that. That was what the setup was. What do you mean? Okay. So Joan when she was having the on for the little boy with Anne. She was like, okay, I want you to move the glass in moves right on the thing of you, grandma, s your whatever. Yeah. And then she's an anti season. She's like, oh, my guy now fucking real so Jones like, okay. Here's here's the instructions, you can do this at home. But all everyone in the house has to be there. So it has to be Peter herself. And steve. Her doing that her giving her all those directions was her setting up everything for the third attitude time, man. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Oh, okay. Yeah. So basically, I think her meeting Joan was like all of this was meant to happen. God it. I mean. Yeah. So yeah. All of this was supposed to happen. Yeah. Oh, I don't like Joan is much. I liked her more. Joe Joan she's manipulative juror because later on we see when any goes back to Jones apartment and she's Jones gone. And we see there's a picture of Peter on the table with the everything around it. And there's also something else there. Can't remember? Yeah. But there's definitely a picture Peter on that table. Yes. Oh, so oh Jono which questions like which is a big question of whether or not all what she said was bullshit. Yeah. And here's the other thing too. I think I'm not too sure. But people pointed this out because I was reading about the earlier the people in that support group at any was going to were also the people naked in the app, it's a real Truman show situation here. Yeah. It's a real. It's a real big Truman show. Everybody's watch. Everybody's in on it. Yeah. I love the scene at the end were where Peter rowboats out. Just revealed that Ed Harris has him on. I like calling him pi pi min Pinetown, oh, man. It makes me like him more than mom gets home and the ants everyone's covered in ants gross. Gosh, there's a lot of like crazy. Yeah. I just don't like that at all. So we okay. So this is when we like any reveals that she has done shit in the past that she tried to have a miscarriage with try to have a miscarriage repeater. She tried to burn him with paint thinner. Yeah. And Charlie oh, gosh. She covered herself Charlie and Peter with paint thinner, and she actually right before she struck the match Peter woke up, and so she's she she realizes that. She she. Well, she doesn't realize, but she she sleep walks a lot. Yeah. So so we just never she confessed all of that injury. So that's not. The the when she would there's that scene where she's like yelling at Charlie in or a Peter. And she's like, I didn't wanna have a son. I wanted to have a miss. But then she wakes up again, and it was dream. So she didn't actually tell him that. Right. Right. And she. Yes, she learn all that information, which is awful, and Peter just crying. And I was like this movie is so depressing. And I don't know where it's going. But then he's like let's have sans. She's like waking everybody up at three o'clock in the morning. Banging suffer. Angela. Let's all go. Let's get this glass. Let's get this candle about and then Charlie. Charlie, quote, unquote, quote, unquote, Charlotte does fucking just destroys everything. Yes, she she's definitely there. Yeah. She's invited all of this shit now into the Anne Anne poor port. See? Okay. So this is I was thinking about this. When we watched we watch evil dead. But I think it's more important here. Okay. When we die because one of us going to die. I o. Oh, we need to figure out a symbols that we know. It's the real Josh Orla is coming to haunt the other and not the pie, man. Oh, it's easy. I'm just going to touch your, but oh, okay. Okay. Good. You're going to be like somewhere in the house, and then you'll just like feel someone touching your. But maybe like, oh, that's Josh. And then you it'll probably be like. I don't know. I don't know. What will be you? Gotta think about that. It'd be me squeezing your shoulder. Maybe. Yeah. I'll probably be used grazing mush or something like that. Or a or snoring? I'll this here like loud snoring. I have to wake up and bang the walls or something. Trying to sleep stop at. Yeah. I guess that will be was we will know that it won't be pilot. Yeah ks so you'll know it's me. So yes. So any is freaking out everybody. Yeah. So I mean, it's awful that goes like the throws glass candle explode. There's just like pandemonium they're losing which is what's on the Witcher through. The definitely losing their security. Yeah. Yeah. We also forgot that there's a lot of stuff written on the walls these yes. But that's the one where it says lift lift to ch penned ammonium touch pandemonium. Yeah. I think those are like the spells or something that would make sense. Yeah. So it's just like crazy. There's all sorts of crazy shit and everything. But then everyone's like Peter goes back to the mom's crafting dad, Steve is drinking scotch at work pretty much. Yeah. Well, when he's at work, actually, he gets he gets an Email. That's only see the picture of like when they said desecrated the grave. It's like somebody like someone dug it up. Yeah. And stole not just like the headstone fell over. Oh, no, no, no, no insurance company gets in touch with him. They're like, we don't cover this. It's like you don't cover body snatching, man. So okay. I had a question here. So we see mom crafting again. And he's crafting, and she she builds a little model of the funeral. Garments funeral and then she destroys everything. Yeah. But then at one point we see in the camera focuses on a a model of a body in a bed. That's decapitated. And I couldn't tell if it was Peter or Steve it's like a man's because like mens pajamas. Oh, but I couldn't tell what it was. I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Couldn't be Steve or Peter because. Yeah. But I couldn't I couldn't tell it was weird. Dad? He starred himself, right? Okay. I don't know your when you start yourself. Your head doesn't come off. Just leave me. I know I I've been on a lot of diets where I feel like my head would. But. Yeah. I don't know. That's good catch though, we gotta look that up after someone. Let me I'm sure someone will tell us ho whenever we get a fact wrong somebody. Usually usually in an items review, but just like tweeting to us. You don't have to put a bad review up and tell us we got a fact wrong about this man got the fact wrong, but the girl got it, right or something girls. Okay. I love it. When people refer to me as the man. Yes. Not by my name, my favorite review is the girls. Okay. The girls. Okay. Check us out on leave us a review. Yeah. So so then we hear all this is Ricky we teach. Wednesday's like running. It sounds like Wednesday running through the hallway, but it's actually haunted sketchbook. Oh, yeah. Book that has yeah zoo. Yeah. We forgot Charlie Hess's sketchbook that she liked draws and stuff. It's usually drawing. She's drawing pictures of grandma and stuff like that. But she's also drawing like. She's not drawing, but there's a sketchbook sitting in Charlie's room, and it's just pictures of Peter. Yeah. All these fixtures. Appear pictures of Peter so in they're not flattering. No. It's like six really size is dog out. And all this stuff is real sad. Sad. Ted, Peter, so mom decide she's gonna burn sketchbook. But then her sleeve catches on fire. This is cool. This this is when this movie goes off the in rail. So they think I understand it. What happened? What do you? Okay. So so will this is actually part that confused me. So she's trying to burn sketchbooks leave catches on fire. And then later. She gets it into the fire. And then Steve burns Steve percent of flames. Which ownership why Steve into flames when the sketchbook burns? I don't know what the connection is between those two. I don't know that was the only allies jill's like, oh, that's how that relates. But that was the one I was confused. I didn't understand. Well, he he threw it in the fire right note. But did he throw it in the fire did any throat, and I thought Anne through? But if he is through it, and he Burson flames, you get kinda makes sense. I guess I got here. Remember, it's okay. Shit. But I mean, I guess that makes a lot of sense though. Like, yeah. Deciding like if any did throw it in why did see catch fire, but if Steve through it in and he caught fire than I understood. Yeah. So maybe I just miss missed saw the scene. I don't know. Maybe we should look that up. Let's not know. Should we watch that scene share? Okay. Great pull up that scene. Were we're watching. But then so mom Anne looks at grandma's. But Joe we go that she went Joan Joan left town, whatever Jones out a hell dodge and the mom finds grandma's book. And to learn about the pie, man. Paint payment payment. I guess. Yeah. So pie, man. Mischief is circle of hell covetous of male bodies. And he inhabits the most vulnerable. Those were the two details like. Peter's in trouble Peters got that Boehner robot the full normal male body, and it's so funny because now now now want watching the second time I started to pick up those things it's like, okay, they're wearing him down to just like that. Maybe that was the pain earlier. That's what it was wearing down to where like he gets so weak that they can just as Lee manipulate him. Get him. Yeah. Get inside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was cool. So yes, we learn all these facts by man. And then we'll learn that, grandma and Joan knew each other because there's pictures of them together. How did how did anti Nazi that? Maybe it's was like a box stuff in the attic that she never went. She was very secretive. Yes, secretive. Okay. Yeah. It's so grandma bust out of a grave in her body was in the attic rose they go up to the attic in surprise grandma's here. They're grandma's. Visit him I got so awful. Oh, man. Oh, talk about your in-laws showing up at the time. So yeah. So then Peter oh Peter gets possessed while he's in school. Fuck. Yeah. Was awful faces all twisted up, and he smashes smashes his face. Oh my gosh. Boy god. That was awful. Yeah. I that was terrible. I it reminded me of devotee about the time. I smashed my my eyebrow open at a bar. Oh, yeah. Do you? Remember that I got really drunk at a bar once I was there at a for a friend's birthday party or something in this is the circumstances of or like the details of the story are just so fucking weird. It was a birthday party filled with dominatrix zas dominate try. I what was the plural dominated date dominator matrices dominatrix dummy overseas. So as at this bar with all of these dominatrix ses, and I got super hammered in. I thought a window was a door leading out side. See just walked right into that window slammed my head into it. And then Finally I found the right door, and I walked out in the and the bouncer was like. Are you? Okay. And I was like, oh, yeah. I'm fine. And he goes, no, no, no. You need to go back inside. Because you are not. Okay. And I was like, no, I'm fine. Then as I said on fine. Just blood starts coming out of my eyebrow in and my wearing a white shirt. And I remember this because it was just covered in blood. Oh, gosh. I walked and I walked inside. And the bartender was like, oh my God come in. And she kind of did whatever to my face. And I was just like so hammered, and I was trying to be smooth. It was like, you know, that door was a lot easier to open earlier, she's like you're drunk shit. Like that was a wind that was a window. Oh, my God stupid, man. And then I went to McDonald's and get a shitload of French fries and Burke air like, you're bleeding, and you come in here. They would just like to like three or four o'clock in the morning. This strange man, walks in covered in blood and just wants a shitload of cheeseburgers, give him whatever he wants. And then leave what was the time when we were coming home, and I ran and I face planted on the sidewalk and like script on my face. We get McDonald's before or after it was after. But. Yeah. So which time was this several times not several you ran so far ahead of me. I did I ran really far. And then I tripped and just busted my face. This is why call you grace, and I'm not graceful in the slightest, and I did I busted my face. And we went to McDonald's because like I'm hungry before we get home. It was pretty bad. And then I woke up, and I was like, oh my gosh. Oh, Peter sleeps through all of his father being. Yeah. Like, Bert, Bert. What's what do you? What do you call it? When you. Set yourself on fire on flung bay. No. So them Yele Shen, Emily, inhalation, immolation militia. That's what I said. Malaysian got there. Yeah. So. His dad is is is crispy critter, and he finally wakes up because someone like swims through his room. There's like. See that. I did see that. That was a that any. Yeah. Okay. That's right. I thought I saw that in the theater I just thought I didn't realize that until because I saw it the first time. But I was like that. What did that did? I just see that. Rooms that's fast. But it was because people in the theater like, oh all all that same everybody. They had that Brian Regan. Oh that Brian Regan reaction. Yeah. And because we get that crazy shot where moms like hanging on the ceiling man, Peter. And then the naked guy in the house, a Nicot guy in your house, and he's not friendly. No, no. He's not. He's the same. It's the same guy from this guy from the funeral. Yeah. Which I didn't realize I was he from the grocery store. No, no, no these craft store. He's got those bleach. Blonde pukes. Yeah. Creepy weird weird. Yeah. And so as he's like, so just chasing. That's happening. Yeah. They're all trying to get to Peter. And then we get to that awful scene in the he she kinda chases him into the attic, and then she's possessed and she's like banging her head against the door like slitting her own throat. Okay. So let's let's yeah. That was terrible lot lot of things on pack during this Peter fines, grandma. Yeah. Sees the thing on the wall. The blood on the wall, all the flies around old apartment. He's and he's an he just starts here. Oh my gosh. You're so gross and any is corrupt karate herself. Yeah. With panel wire. Ooh. That whole. Fuck fuck. Fuck. Fuck all my notes towards the end the move. You're just like there's mum and she's haying. And there's naked people and there's a dog inside. And that. Oh that they had a dog dog. And so. Peter's tongue popping at the end. Yeah. Well, because he he jumps out the window to escape everybody. And that's when he gets possessed. I guess yeah. He's he is the pie, man. He's the Pyan. He becomes the pilot and the pilot, and he and he. Hinnies like headless body floating up to the tree house. This is this like an this is no joke this movie like visualize a lot of nightmares that. I had oak EP. Yeah. There are a lot of nightmares ahead of like headless bodies. When I was a kid getting around. And so it went up site. It goes up to the tree house. So he follows it. And there's all these naked people just like hanging out hanging around their house. There's grandma's their. They're like all these random people probably are using support group. Yeah. And yeah. So there's this weird sculpture that has Charlie's head on it. Yeah. Yeah bodies, and then grim grimmer was the Queen of something. She. Yeah. Something like that. Say she's Queen Lee. Yeah. Yeah. So she was the Queen of something. I think she was quaint. She's the Queen of the group or the Queen of the call. Well, they she made everything happen, right? Yeah. So I guess she gets notoriety for that. Yeah. I mean, someone starts the call at the end Peter gets crowned. Yeah. Okay. So also, they call him and she calls, Peter, Charlie. Yes. Why? Okay. Here's okay. Okay. Let me explain what I think. So so grandma was trying to groom Peter right to be. To be pilot. Right. But when she didn't have access to Peter. She was grooming, Charlie. Yes. Which is why she was so mad Charlie wasn't a boy that says yes Hyman needs a male body. Got it. Okay. Yeah. So basically pie man was in Charlie the entire time from when she was alive from the beginning when she was a baby and everything that's one. That's why I think that like we were like throughout the whole course of this movie of. That's why grandma loves her most. Boom you nail. I did it. I cracked the movie racked. It never happened open. I did it. They're wild wolves wide world of sports on that. When you did it. Good for you. Yeah. So yeah, you're absolutely right. So at least fuck again, the message boards, we're gonna tons on little actually you. We get it. We might have not gotten a right? But this makes sense. This is the closest I've probably ever been cut me some slack shut up. That's my wife you're talking about. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely right. She she calls him, Charlie. Yeah. And then she crowned him and he's known them chill with it. I guess he's on now. He's kip. I'm going to just like to have to go to school. I'm gonna leave this headless go go to a have to take this quiz on Thursday. So were they alive or ghosts with the people that are hanging out there? I think they're alive they're alive. I think they're a member of the members has no he has no immediate family anymore, but he does have followers. He's got followers. Peter's peters. Got change right now. He's got twenty nineteen lifestyle. Change mindset. Hey, he's got new responsibilities. Now, man Peter's Ben we're gonna get hereditary to back in the habit back. Peter's in college. Now, how do you balance exams N leading Colt? What is it just like he's he's like, he's he's in his dorm like with bunch of pigeon heads and everything. And then she's like, you know. Richard record screech. Let me show you how it got. And it's just like me. Yup. That's me. Let me let me go back to two weeks ago. Yeah. I think that's really. Should there be equal to this? I don't think I don't think it needs a sequel. I think it's pretty good standalone. No. Yeah. Also, I don't think you can really do much with this. Now. I don't think it's a good. I think it's a good movie because it is so. It's different from other things that you'd expect them a horror movie to be you think it's going to be goes. But it's not gonna be like, it feels like a family drama that then turns into a cult of which is kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a lot and Jesus. Yeah. I mean, it's a good movie. It was good. But mean it really stressed me out? I don't wanna watch it. Again. Don't watch it thinking that you're gonna leave being like, oh, yeah. Let's go have a burger. Yeah. No, I did not care for it. They're gonna wanna like not do any of that stuff. Maybe you wanna smoke a whole lot of weed at the end of it self medicate. Maybe a big drink. If you don't smoke weed, and if you don't drink take take a little while take a walk or something play with your dog a little bit do something to clear head because this movie is really it takes a lot a lot. It's very emotional. Anyway, that's it. And that's the movie. Yeah. You recommend it. Yeah. Maybe it's hard to be like, oh my gosh. This movie was so great. You have to see it because it doesn't feel like that kind of movie to me. No, it doesn't. But it's like if someone was like, oh, you do a horror podcast is there. Any good scary movie? I'd be like where did you? This is pretty fucking scary though. Yeah. Like if you want something that's a straight up scary. This is it doesn't eat. It actually made me think of a little bit as baba dick the way Bobby is is like more of an emotional trauma movie that then becomes a horror movie or even get out is like a trauma movie that becomes a horror movie, which is kind of cool. I think I like the Jonah even though it upset me. Good put that on the poster good move. Even though it upset me. Yeah. Speaking of which we have to go. See Jordan peels us down. Well, we gotta looks awesome. Really cool. Anyway, guys, I tunes Twitter Instagram Facebook. We don't have it just getting we do tell your friends about it. Old-fashioned till your friends. You live is podcast mouth. That's how we get a lot of time. 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