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(Rerun) "Weird Al" Yankovic's "Word Crimes"
"This is a head gum podcast hello and welcome to good one podcast about jokes. I'm your host Jesse David Fox so this is our second of a run archive episodes. We are running while we work on the next season of the show so each of these holds a special significance to me as it relates to the show's solution this week's episode for example it weird out which was my first Otit cannot believe I'm going to be talking to this person. Guest I've done over seventy good one interviews maybe over eighty at you don't know so I tend to remember only specific moments from giving conversations and it was weird came after a few talking about how he will sort of play with words in his mind and sort of write things down when it comes to titles and lyrics he's stopped me and he's like let me just get my laptop and and show you and I instantly knew this was special. It just felt so intimate in many ways. The work is a wall between the artists and the audience. It's it's the front. The Creator puts up as a means of communicating out to the world. Hearing about process is an invitation sort of come on the other side of the wall truly. I I have no idea of any of this make sense but I feel like you feel like it should make him. Maybe the earliest moment where I was like Oh this is a show so here's that interview here's Yankovic. Here's Word Crimes Yeah It's not not been using You're bird in the right kind of contraction worth yeah. I know aww take yeah the third so you don't have to tell you this in doing helping Winston it just couldn't it Liam. I'm here with the person behind the song you just heard agency doing okay. Thank you so much for allowing rested do this my pleasure dive into word crimes. I wanted to kind of start back to if there's like Big Bang results in the earth that is the song is back to the the first atom which is a menu hearing blurred lines what e regardless of if you know what you're GonNa do that or they even more work in an album do remember hearing it for the first time or one of the first time yeah and I just thought it was an extremely catchy kind of Marvin Gaye pastiche. Oh and I thought Oh this really jump on the radio and this would be a good candidate for parody and it was something that it kind of kept in the back of my mind and this was you know a good year before mandatory fun came amount so I was thinking gosh. I don't know you know this is going to be topical or timely enough by the time I'm ready to release an album because you know I try to be. I try not to have the praise be the two dated but it was it was the big Song of the summer of twenty thirteen. I guess oils and it just kind of stuck in my head and I and I kind of felt like if I put my album and I didn't have a blurred lines parody it would be a glaring omission people. Why don't you do blurred lines so I basically sat down on a tr- I made a list of every possible variation on a theme I could think of every possible rhyme and half rhyme and direction to go to try to make that funny and it was a bit of a challenge because the song by that point had been pretty to death? I mean in the Youtube role that we live in a week after Robin Thicke had hit their ten thousand parodies as of and most of them were takes on him being misogynistic and a little rapi and that whole thing so I knew that whatever whatever I did I couldn't go down that path that a goal different direction when you say you can make a list of possible options. Are you just going like all right. BURR BINDS KIRSCH SORTA BOORDA ZERO potential down. If it just nonsense syllables I wrote it down. Do you like like there's a lot of bad had ideas on the the first step is there's no filter at all. Just like anything I can think of that has a remote possibility of being a song I read it down as an option and and then after I kind of have that brain dump the next day I'll go back and look at the list and ninety nine percent will just be horrible ideas but if I'm lucky one of them will be like an audio ago. Oh yeah could maybe twist that and maybe make that three and a half minute long songs so shirt ties was the one that I thought my or furred lined now eight remember I don't I actually was looking back on it. I can't believe there was even a close call but I think when we pitched Robin Thicke on the idea of doing a parody. I didn't even know for sure it was gonNA be word crimes. It was like it's either going to be a sign about grammar or or how dragon be like waiting in a long line or something like that. I didn't even know what the concept was but we just wanted to see. Robin Thicke were Overdo it and he signed off on it is usually the earliest kind of would do it in the process in terms of asking if it's okay that was even a little earlier than I normally do it because I I usually have pretty solid idea or the pitch and I don't have lurks right now because they don't want any trouble if they wind up being humorless but I at least have a strong idea what the direction is and what the title is and I pitched that ah or my manager pitches at to their represented or whatever but we pitched the idea and they sign off on it and in this case I think I got a basic idea. It's going eighty something about but I just kind of wanted to take his temperature was fine with it. I'll be weird out it'll be it'll be like a parody. Uh of your song like a song parody. Hours will be the saga apparently when you then ended up on with Word Crimes Times when picking it is there is something you're aware of light. This is the kind of the mission statement of like what I'm trying to do comedic yeah. This is fits in it like do you try to think about is it that conscious of like Oh. I'M WEIRD AL and this fit into the universe about the songs are undoing. It's sort of like the Mo- most of my songs are sort of like the Randy Newman s kind of untrustworthy narrator kind of thing which which was difficult for for word crimes because there's a lot of character because I personally am a bit of a grammar nerd and bad grammar irritates me but I'm not quite as pedantic or or or prescriptive EST as the as the singer in that song. I don't like bad grammar but I don't think I'd ever hit somebody over the head with lead pipe hype for you know bad syntax each so you do write them for a character sing. The song yes character changes personal residence correct thinking like okay. It's not okay. It's weird Alan but now he's wearing a hat is still weird out. You're thinking okay each song writing a story yeah version of you that if people and people freak out sometimes because like how can you Ryan Maya Bologna when you're a vegetarian like well. These are not all autobiographical song. I don't know behead people like to do most of the things that the carriers do it's interesting that you mentioned that it's not you especially that you would not be so kind of harsh about it. It is a there's a meanness to this song that I think maybe people won't us don't associate with the other the rest of your Song Summers there definitely is that is that is that intentional is that something that you like playing with is an exaggeration for the sake BECA comedy. I mean I've taken a task a lot because of that because a lot of teachers tell me they would have liked to have used that as a as a as teaching material in their schools but but it's just too mean spirited but you know it's it wasn't I didn't write it really to be a part of a classroom curriculum. It's it's meant to be comedy and part of what my perception of it is for me to be over the top with the character like just to do grammar lessons is okay but to make the character like so intense that right you know he threatens people with violence for bad grammar that that kind of pushes it over that is more than just like the one joke yeah. We're putting the words into like the part part of the comedy is it was a guy that is just so intense about grammar interesting so that was kind of the goal where you're like is when you were still before he raining when you're about to write it I realize okay. The goal of this is to do x was a to like here's the store almost essentially parody. Both people are bad grammar and people who care too much well. That's exactly it. I mean a lot of my songs are to edge that way like I did a song called. Don't download the song which ah famously got people either five or madame your size or or fans because that made fun of the people that were downloading illegally legally as well as the people that were prosecuting people downloading illegally and it sort of like gave both sides of the issue and sort of a ridiculous way though it's not satire it obviously there's a contrast select original song is and what the parent is. Can you describe that sort of conflict when you're going when you are people know the source material and repairing it says can be different but like what are you saying what is like that magical sweet spot of that contrast. I love to get a really you bizarre juxtaposition and a lot of my humor come from glorifying the mundane so I thought it was a really sweet thing for me to be able to take think that song which is pretty sexually charged and turned into a song about proper grammar usage so let's talk about actually writing words of the song and a most basic do do make an outline do list ideas before you even start writing. It's the pack rat school of writing I I I just make pages and pages and pages of notes. Just you know just words and phrases and random things having to do with grammar and I made a master list of every little grammar thing but you know every little pet peeve ever had online and I like read other people's pet peeves about grammar and he just made a huge master list and then it was just a matter of trying to you know tetris like form formulate a long out of that the nature of House Song worked Santoro Social Works. It lends itself to heightening premise in his way before you can sit out is the idea that like okay we'll start with a very basic understanding. What the premise of this joke is and then over over time we will expand upon it you know the subject matter of the joke is there and it it some some reveals itself more as I continue writing but I mean th the mission statements always sort of in place there alum times all right figure out what the what the courses are first and or if there is any like specific line of the song which really stand out in the original which I I just have to be right on yeah like you would use its in this case original because that's like a focus point of the song so you go for the points in the song where you feel like you've got a nail it and get the raising raising the whole concept spot on and then if if you get that right then you feel more confident that everything else is GonNa fill in so you'll almost start with those points? It's SORTA like goalpost set those up first and then you kind of filling around it. Are you listening to a bunch beforehand and then even beyond that how do you do do have their lyrics in front of you have a rough track of it without the vocals in it. How do you even have the to go? I need to have something to refer against or is it in your head. Why it's all of the above listen to the Simul obviously I all right out the lyrics and I will have rough lyrics to to the right of each line and I will? I'm so analytical stuff I will come up with like a dozen lions for every line of the song variations on a line like there's a lot of ways to say the same thing and I'll write them all down so I I'll show you if you want to show you something like one of my documents were for word crimes for every line there will be you know tender agents interest on and then I'll I'll I'll go back later and I'll figure out which one flows the best. Which one is you know rolls off the tongue easiest or which one is the funniest say it's it's really line by line almost like like Cutler by cup? I pretty much and there's obviously there's there's couplets that get discarded because even if they don't fit or they're they're not as good as some of the others but it's a bit like a puzzle I try to fit as much of the good stuff and as I can and make every syllable as good as can be. Do you remember other options for the US. It's it's in this case or or just you know what about the original line that you're like. How can I translate it? I just wanted to match the original line as closely as possible and one when it came upon you would not use its in this case then that kind of informed okay. We'll that whole second versus going to be the about the use of contractions you know so. It's like a little bit of reverse engineering yeah so there's a I think it's the first verse or the brain dead on a holiday delineated potato so the original line is it's almost like reading the original lines field. You realize how gross they are. Now goes okay now. He was close tried to domesticate Katya but you're an animal baby. It's in your nature which you change to okay now. Here's the deal I'll try to educate Ya GonNa familiarize you with the nomenclature sure so obviously nature nomenclature Ron is do you try to have certain hooks like that. In there that are essentially essentially they've directly as much as blurred line rhymes with word crime had those sorts of Perry. It's not absolutely essential but if you can make work there's something in the back your brain that makes you makes you lock in a little bit more songs. They make it makes a little bit funny. At the closer. You can keep to keep to the original all sorts material while while tweaking it a whole different subject matter. I think that that makes the comedy play better. It's something that probably people don't notice happens because they unless they have lawyers in front of the lining up them. I need me consciously aware of it they somewhere in there brandon Oh yeah that works yeah and then how important is trying to match so so ables that I think is pretty important. I mean I hear a lot of kind of amateurish parody riders that try to like jam too many syllables onto a line or or not enough or in. This is a big pet peeve when they when they just don't get the accent right. I mean just getting the exact right. Number of syllables isn't enough. I mean there's a meter. There's musical rhythm to every line and if you get the accent on the runs allowable it's not doesn't flow that well and other passages you wanna hug me. Hey Hey what Ryan's hug me so that is another second biggest part of to remember writing. What you're you know? Yours was ended being. It's a contraction. Hey Hey what's a contract that is definitely different. and this you know obviously isley contractions different Word WanNa hug me but do you remember the process of contraction okay. I've got this in front of me now. I have looked at Steph. Since I wrote the song however many years ago there was this is just a potential concepts and this is going down a list of like really horrible word rhymes a horrible ideas that I'd had desert line ABS absurd mimes absurd fines about a guy who hates the airlines. I mean these you yeah you know. Son wouldn't have been as good okay so so this is the the finished version this is this is sort of how I write with the original our left and my potential lyrics on the right and then underneath that I've got hat like variations on every line in a lot of them were just small iterations but so yeah I guess I guess I kind anna locked in on it being a contraction joke pretty early on that I it was all just variations on how is GonNa define contracts so that was the second question which is I believe that that's that's not in the original song where you explain what contraction right because in she doesn't say what rhymes with hug me in Iraq famously in the sort of was decision into essentially put your own spin on attaches explain what the contraction well I think if you ask a question like what a contraction in educational song you need to then give the definition Venetian and there is sorta like some kind of vocal rep and I think I need that we'll just we'll just the definition of contraction. was that part of it right now. I didn't even think about that like that. In some ways in the universe of schoolhouse rocking it in that it's like educational because especially the hey hey us feels like a kids cartoon yeah yeah I mean you know again. I mean that was my my main. A intent in writing the song was to provide schoolhouse rock but you you know it's I did want it to be correct and and informative for people and in the same way that people on the Internet will correct other people's grammar this meant to be. I I kind of thought this was something that would get forwarded to people that could use a few grammar lessons. I wanted to ask you about the rack and just even generalists. Raptors ramp has obey specific difference. I think in terms of how we can expect to hear it and the rhythms of it are different than if you're maybe parroting the regular singing. Did you take extra care when you're parenting. The rap say the flow of rap area tried to be like very conscious of how he's doing and in that way yeah I mean this is the same as as any other kind of music really but I mean you have to be very you know a particular again the number of syllables where the accents are and rap rap music tends to be a little more intricate. They're more internal rhymes. there are more things to be aware of a lot more things you can get wrong trigger parity already of a rap music which is why they're you know a lot of rap parodies. Just don't work or they're kind of Corny as just because there's not a lot of care given to you know matching the the flow of the original decide. What was the hardest rapper to rap late? listen wraps to sear. Your history is like some of these talk to pretty intricate wrapping. You're able to MIMIC CONCERN WAY I dunno will be the hardest. I mean EMINEM. We've got pretty fast I I it did work crimes every night on the last tour and kind of got through it pretty well. White nerdy are pretty fast rap. Do crazy bones bay. It's hard to say I mean you brexit long enough to get through. It was the prince larrikin allusion to the fact that he hasn't let you he never let you parodying well. I mean you know it's it's a direct reference to the fact of his on titles that use the numbers and letters and things like that but also a little nudge at the time you know principle still with us and for decades he'd sorta been my scapegoat because he's he's there was always the one guy that that has historically and famously never let me do any parodies. He's so anytime I can give them a little edge show. was there much debate about the cunning linguist joke that's in in there. It's like a little bit on the blue side. I mean obviously knew that when I was writing at night and you know my music. Isn't I know a lot of kids. Listen to my music but it's not like it's not meant to be Rafi. It's not it's not kiddy music and that's one of those kinds of things. Were you know the the hopefully the parents will get a kick kick out of it and it'll above the kids head. I wrote a children's book an actual children's book where I use the phrase phrase master debater which you know the parents will get that but the kids probably anything. There's a long history of that type of jokes leaving them in yeah so I don't think it was it's almost like in keeping with your history the of playing with him trucks that have existed in comedy before be back with more weird Al after this word from our responser. We're back with weird Al so generally from just the risk in the writing process. How long are we talking about doesn't live the lyrics I get asked that a lot and there's no real set answer? I mean I I can write music pretty quickly but I I tend to spend a long time on just to kind of gather ideas and let let things Kinda just ate my brain. I can't tell you how long I spent writing word crimes. If if I had a guest maybe a couple of weeks although you know life goes on I wasn't just just writing a during those two weeks but yeah I mean I. I've been known to write a song like an half an hour and I've been known to take months writing songs so early various considering they do sell produce all different types of music. How are you preparing just the music part of Africa have lyrics locked had he prepared then then to translate it to the sound like well? That's the easy bird for me because I I work with very talented people and what I'm doing being the originals or the pastiches involves a lot of work on my part because that involves riding in arranging doing demos and rehearsing and all that but the parodies really can be simpler for me because it's basically me you know giving CDs to the guys in the band here learn this and so the only question is are we changing the key change the temp tempo or we editing it Redo anything different arrangement wives and other than that is basically the template is there and they they have their marching orders. How often are you changing the key now often except we get a lot of wanting to female vocalists because their range oddly enough is a bit higher than my solo so sometimes I will transpose down a bit when when I'm doing that how you a essentially like taking out sections or doing well you know if if it if it feels redundant I this is edited down from the original blurred lines forget what exactly we took out but there's just more music music? It's just yeah that could be anything. That's repetitive or doesn't isn't inherently funny or just feels like it's wasted time. We've tried to get it down to it. Just being you know all about the comedy at this point. Dave any problem in all seto is Naggus nail. It's a pretty high part Yeah I. I'm pretty good. I'm the only thing that does falsetto which is which is why we don't do a lot of falsetto songs in concert with with harmonies my my my fault said it was okay but even my bass player is a good singer but he's got a very low arrange and and and Jim West players good singer but his full set does a little shaky and the two guys in the band when absolutely necessary it did anything surprise you with the music in terms of when you're focusing on you're like Oh that's interesting that they do the Emini no visa visist Asami pride heard but any when you really focusing on the music anything surprising in terms of the arrangement or the core structure anything on it was a fun arrangement is it's pretty simple I mean there aren't a lot of instruments instruments or parts on the song but it's really funky and it's got a great groove and I mean it's just I love his arrangements and how he's able well two very simply you know come up with a hook like that so for the video was decision not to do a straight parody of it you know you released within series of eight videos and this was few them weren't but this so specifically wasn't a parody of video that always did you always know you're ah well once they came up with the concept for the song. I thought Oh this would be great for Connectik typography which is a video that basically I uses words on the screen but in a very creative way and I just thought well this this is the perfect format for this this concept and I went online line and I tried to find somebody that I thought it'd be really really good at it and there are a lot of great kinetic typography video artists out there and I found jared heather heather who did the video for Jonathan Coulton called Shop Vac and just based on the video. I saw that he had a lot of talent. He was you know had had a great sense of humor. He had a great deal for comic timing and he was very skillful. with the computer and you know that was basically it. I just tracking down. He was kind of hard to find. Actually it's not a full time music not at all not at all he was just a guy that made a music video and I his twitter account had been inactive for for two years and it kind of fallen off the earth in terms of social media. I thought this guy what turns out now he was living his life. You've contacted them. Weirdo Yankovic and you're going to do my next video and he's like yeah that that's exactly what he did. Is he spent five hundred hours. It was just him and it was a laptop and he made the word crimes video and you just you just knocked it out of the park conversation. Did you have beforehand and during the process of those I wonder how well we were always in contact with with each other. Sometimes when I have an outside party doing my videos sometimes I trust them mm-hmm and say how fun and and if they wanted to do it on their own that's fine and hopefully happy whether present me with but Jarrett was always leukemia including me which was great because I got to give them notes and feedback along the way and I think together. We made it a lot better did he. Does you know is it story boarded before together in terms of I think in the most basic okay I mean do we pay the lyrics and set up yeah but I mean based on the lyrics he present me with the rest story board and I I would you know make a few notes and we'd we'd find tune it and yeah but before he because there's a lot of man hours you spend something so you don't want him to going into a whole different direction like a I remember at one point. He told me he was going to do the whole bridge in in Whiteboard animation I said well now. We're doing this whole other video and whiteboard automation. So can you believe a chalkboard plopping so then we've talked about the release strategy before menu. It's not a new thing for you've you've always done a lot of these videos IOS and do the order. I think what we're was second so I was tacky tacking and did what was your thinking with the order. Well Jackie was the day before the album actually dropped and I just thought the Tacky I was going to get the most media attention because it featured a much of celebrities and and happy was a huge song and and certainly more more current than a than a blurred lines at the time and they just thought it was a bigger PR thing I I think I thought that more media outlets and Internet Internet portals would pick up on the fact that I was doing. This particular song word crimes was perhaps a stronger song but I just didn't think that had as much impact but it was was a strong it was a great one two punches starting with tacky then the next day with word crimes and the following day with foil and by that ten people like it was something that I remember I was a blogging at that time the first one game out a cool red wine is and then the second one came out and I remember flack from on top people are art every day we're going to have to do it was so unexpected. Which is amazing that you at so many years into your career here? It was unexpected have to be was. How's the feeling for you even though success in popularity these things is common you? You'd put on two years earlier when people like did what was this sort of version of success light in that week it was amazing. I mean it was I've never ever had as much attention focused on me as I as I had that week I was so in the spotlight and it was it was emotional because I never thought that that whatever happened to me. I mean you know I was it was the last album on my contract and I might previous to it cracked the top ten now thinking. I hope this one cracks the top ten. I'd be nice to go out on top but having a number one album was not not in my wildest dreams I mean that was so crazy and I almost started crying on live. TV A couple of couldn't believe what's happening to constantly being asked that and it's still a yeah I because every album you're putting out and they have certain certain amount of penetration but to have a number one album as your last album yeah. It's a nice little mic drop yet so then it comes out the more time passes when you hear if blurred line plays is your mind hearing the song of the year your own works like if I heard on the radio yeah I tend to turn off change the channel or turn. The Radio Radio of the original song comes on because it kind of messes my head 'cause I still have to be singing my version in concert site. Once I write my parody I and recorded accorded. I I tend not to listen to the original anymore limited last songs from your listen I suppose yeah so since the Ferrelli Robin Thicke lost a court case for copyright infringement with the Bar Day state does that affect you in any way not directly. I mean people ask me about that. I I have have to assume that whatever royalties I've paid them in the past probably got given to the state and the okay you know what the settlement right and going forward. Maybe just go directly to the Marvin Gaye State. I honestly don't know that something for the lawyers too big. It's like asking your accountants where does know me. Yes this question at the beginning it but thought it might be nice again why did you I WanNa talk about the song oh I don't know it's it's current and it's it's one of my favorite parodies and it's something that that I'm proud of and just one of those sort of near and dear to me. It's because it's even though I am playing a character it's one of those white nerdy where I get to draw a bit from real life so immunity said mandatory from our last album album the end of the year very long long contract also Tommy moves quicker and we're crunches the biggest of those thoughts with an mind you know how do you feel about that. As the fact you know it is the last of your ron and making album based comedy parody that makes it like is it in terms of as a final note as a final note. I think it feels it feels good to me. I want to say that I'm hopefully forgot retiring yeah hopefully in the Lascaux here for me but as as the end of an era of albums I feel I feel pretty good. About how did I think the mandatory phone was strong last release and I very happy with the word crimes and if that era's GONNA end. I think it's ending proper evernote. What is your current feeling about musical parody as a form that you both defined and define your career at this point now that you have some freedom to know that you don't have to keep on doing you'd be likely still do things with the fact that you now now that you go have to how do you feel about it is a form I'm still interested in it and it still intended to do it in the future? I have to say that since mandatory fun I haven't been terribly proactive and writing new parodies. I'm just kind of taking a little bit of a vacation from it and I'm just trying to experiment in and seeing what other things I can do that would be fun for me. I did a season of Comedy Bang my which which I love doing I'm getting involved in other feature and TV projects and things like that and and other music projects as well and I'm sure that there will will will come again. I mean I think part of me is holding back a little bit because we've got this box set coming out and you know they feel a little weird for me like released new material then like well. How come out of the box says cereal gets out now? I could be distinct approach. Parroting refresh is in some ways if you're taking is I mean you probably have taken breaks before but not a break can be indefinite. He thinks that will allow you to sort of approach parroting in a different way. Maybe maybe it's not like I was so much held back all these years were like no you can't do that but I mean it's just allow me to like you know work with other people people and and partner with various other people that not again not that I couldn't done in the past. I don't need anybody's permission. I don't need to I'm not tethered in any way to a company that that owns me so that sound means. It's time for the last name round. It's like lightning round book because his communist laugh laugh name okay leaning rule lightning round rules black okay Do you remember the hardest verse or Song that you have to right. Oh boy the the eminem parody was a little tough because there are a lot of internal rhymes and that was a very complex song to try to get right and I gave them my best shot but that was that was one of the toughest ones I think. Is there song like another crack at either because you you don't like the version or you had two good ideas and you wish you could have done both guest well. The the the whole first album. I think we could have produced a little bit it better that was done very quickly and and you know sounds a bit rushed and and they're you know artists certainly that I didn't get around to that. I wish I had some point or songs that I would have parodied if the timing had worked at better a lot of people are telling you that I should've you've done trump instead of gump but you know I tend to stay away from political humor of those probably just so well funniest music key um well. It has to depend on your vocal range because you have to figure out what key your voice is the funniest for any particular song and then just go with that. Do you have a favorite comedy bang character of my own or or what not of you're not of my own you've been on episodes gosh on the podcast or the TV show either one. I like the Scott Aquaman character you pray at the La. Ask Mary kill assuming they are alive since tired Allan Sherman a Stanford in Alfred Newman the magazine character wow mad the ad really gosh well. You know you don't have to have sex with him so Beatles they collaborate Kim's weird then he'd be like forcing yourself. I feel weird about killing standard Allen's like to kill Alfred Newman. I'm sorry Alfred Alfred and I guess collaborate with Stan and Mary Allen that is correct okay. I didn't know there was a right answer. It was and you got it right on the money. That's it for another good one foul weird Al on twitter Al Yankovic and on Instagram at Alfred Yankee good okay by me and my comment just directed our theme Song Writer Viewing Rate To Joan Apple podcasts five stars and hey if you'd know anyone who might like the podcast asked. Maybe tell them once a heck you email me. Comments questions are laughing around suggestions so good Kazaa. GMO DOT COM. I'm Dave Fox saying follow
#272-What if the Iron Sheik had broken Hulk Hogans leg?
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All Right WE WANNA talk. So what spurred my did for this conversation I heard the Iron Sheik episode on the Bruce Prichard show and also its the thirty fifth anniversary of the birth of Hulkamania Hulk Hogan Beaten Iron Sheik for the WWF championship back in nineteen eighty four January massive square garden garden and I wanted to talk about a lot of what ifs pretty good and people enjoy it when we do these and I wanted to explore or what if the iron sheik had broken hulk Hogan's leg in that match the the room or no it's not a rumor 'cause I think iron sheik told vent according to Bruce Prichard he said hey vern offered me one hundred thousand dollars to break Hulk Hogan's leg but I'm not GonNa do that I'm GonNa put him over to do the right thing and any any wasn't telling him hey I'm telling you this so you pay me more money he was telling just because it was the right thing to do and if you haven't seen the Iron Sheik documentary on net flix six is good it is good it is like he's I hope he made a lot of money doing shoot interviews I think yeah it was that was kind of his business for a little. While was the unintelligible. Now right he was saying you know you always knew when he was telling somebody what they could do to them. Yes he always thought that. Yeah I mean he's just as there's something about his voice now for me his whole career. There was something about his voice. That just entertained me you and there's a reason he was let Gogan win. Yeah he's an entertaining guy so copyright Thompson had an interesting question. He's like why aren't she didn't seem like the right guy or I can't remember how he questioned in. Bruce was I know like he was the perfect guy. Everybody hated the Iron Sheik I go back match starts. They're Goin' she snaps his leg so slaps his Tibia. CBS or he's phoebe just snaps it Hogan's as she just leaves. The ring takes. Bell takes that big hole greenbelt with the House and Navy uh-huh and heads Minnesota or Burns guy to private jet Jet Flying Amendment. I'm ever going to Minnesota to get on the private jet flight divers. Let's be honest burn. Did Not have a jet plane. I I don't think I don't think you gotta G. Five or anything. He would have got him a train ticket from New York to Manhattan Doc. Maybe called him. A Cab Uber Uber. So so here's the scene. Pandemonium hope mill middle of the ring. This man junior out there. Let's help out here. You know crowd shocked now. You have no champion. It's February nineteen eighty champion is there. Aren't she but the iron sheik is gone. Your vigilant man. What do you think he does exactly what he would have probably done? First of all he would have just not acknowledge that the iron sheik was the champion anymore. And said he's left and we're GonNa have a tournament crowning new world champion. That's what I think would happen. Okay okay all right. Would you could at that point could you would you do the tournament. Have A. He'll win it and then bring Hogan back to beat that person. I think that would depend on whether Hogan was was healthier. Not right okay good. So let's let's go down. Let's go down the most fantastical phantasmal path. I which Hogan's out Hogan is done career over blood clot API tation. Hulk Hogan is off playing bass as for somebody there is no not only is there. No Hulkamania br from Nineteen eighty-four. There is no holck Hogan and I I would say there's no hulk Hogan there's no Manian nineteen eighty four. Is there wrestlemainia in nineteen eighty five. See that's an interesting question because I was. I had not thought about it from that perspective. I wanted to discuss this So man no Hulk Hogan at all I think that would probably I'm trying to remember Wind savage came in savage came in. Okay Wrestlemainia one was. Eighty five. Savage did not rest on own WRESTLEMANIA. One I believe he came name. He would have came after March in eighty five. I think you're right. I don't think you use it. Wrestlemainia War I think that you would have seen. I think Jimmy Snuka would probably been the guy that they would have gone with. And I think you would have seen the snicker Piper stuff elevated to the mate of I think snuck it would have been there guy. 'cause I mean there's a reason they put snuck in Hogan's corner right. He was a he was big their. Here's you know so you got snuck against Piper and Orton. He Got Don Morocco. There that you could a few SNUKA with I really think that's what you would have. I think that's who they probably would have went with. At least in the interim I think it would have been Jimmy Snuka and then you you maybe reach out and try to get Kerry von Erich in bringing Kerry von Erich concerns and have Kerry von Erich it takes around after Jimmy sniffed or maybe if they could get him even dusty Rhodes I don't know that dusty was going to give up book lookin wrestling right at point. I think that's probably where he think he was doing what he wanted to be doing. But I also think thrown enough money at him you he bring in dusty roads are are ric flair even maybe make a play to get ric flair into the WWF Then of course you see savage. Come Long I mean. They is clear from the beginning. They had kind of pig savage for big things right so I mean I think he's still got a strong upper mid upper main event car and and upper made of fumbling. My words here you do but do you have. Do you have that same success as you would. Yeah like does he like no. I don't think eighty four in eighty four is he thinking has like hey he's seen the thing to think okay. We can do a wrestlemainia. 'cause I'm sure I mean I mean I don't WanNa put thoughts into Vincent Man's head but it seems to me a he would've used star cade is a regional like star k with paled in comparison to what he really wanted to Qatar. I mean I don't know how many Greensboro holds. I think that's what he saw it. It is anyway right. I mean what do you mean I mean I think he saul stark aid is a regional thing and he was doing as a global global thing. I I think most people did. Yeah and if you listen to most people they say we're in Crockett. Messed up was trying to not be re that regional right from ocean though. That's where they made mistakes. What oh man that's a whole nother? Like what if. What if Crockett could have made enough money adapted with the times and you state regional but you know so to to extrapolate even further? Yeah the the we're talking about Hogan being go. Yeah which means there's no jump Yep to WCW right You know later on in the nineties which means you don't have staying being in pill men and Allston and Dustin Rhodes and Rick Flair. And aren't you don't you don't have those guys getting alienated right right. Mark go back even further if there's vader if there's no hulk Hogan in wrestling Does the the wrestling business only reach a certain level. Crockett doesn't try to go. Global Turner doesn't have to buy Crockett. So there is no not that there's no Hogan in WCW WCW Still Crockett promotions see. I don't know about that one because they don't know that. Crockett tried to go global. They tried to go national national not even global and they kinda failed and started spending too much money they still would have had dusty Rhodes and empower our and as much as I like dusty and as much as he didn't take credit some of that was his fault. Correct the over overuse of that. That dusty Steve Finish and whatnot e-e-e-e-no beating the warriors are dusty finish on the road warriors in Chicago. A lot of people appointed right that being a big misstep that stark eighty seven. And that's still what happened. Yeah I just I mean I'm just I think that's such a huge. That's such a huge dominant. Yeah it's a little further reaching than I was thinking but then maybe then Hogan makes big comeback right at some point. How do you know that? He doesn't make a comeback. Maybe okay maybe what what if. Yeah me a Hogan Comeback. That could be even huger than the original more huge. I don't know because he hadn't built that right but now but now instead of Hogan in coming out of nowhere to beat the iron sheik it what are what if two so so Hogan comes out nowhere to be the iron sheik if they do the Comeback you got all those videos of Hogan coming back and and and and or maybe they fade the whole thing. Maybe that like he never got hurt. Maybe that like that match never took place and the orange cheeked just left and I think it actually at the end of the day that it just speeds up as McMahon admitting wrestling's not real really do he was going to do it anyway right and I'm pretty sure he just says hey look. This wasn't supposed to happen sometimes. People the Iron Sheik screwed the iron sheik. You can I think that's what you would have. I think that's what he would do right. He would expose his own business. And and just say sometimes uh-huh Pyo you know things happen that they're not supposed to. We know we had an agreement and he took this money. I think he would just tell everybody what happened now. That's I think that's what Vance McMahon it would do you think that You you mentioned the Snooker Piper feud. Do you think Vince says man. What what are we went with A? He'll we've been baby-faced territory would if we go with the heel and you let it be Piper. It was not known for I mean Piper could just have great. Great feuds and along the way elevate baby faces yeah until you're ready for savage to come in and maybe savage if proper. Oh let's so let's say Piper's your your big heel champion and now savage comes in as a baby face. Yeah but see. I think the reason that people like savage so much because he didn't come in and baby that's probably true too. I know it's true. I think that's why people like savage people wanted people. Savage was who who. Yeah he had cool geary the good looking woman he had all that and they made him a heal and people wanted him to be a baby face and they wait until the time was right and they made him one right but the people already had. That's true that's true. That's why savage was successful because he got over on his own. Right aren't Anderson. Anderson said the other day he talked about Daniel Bryan. He said you can put all the smoke and mirrors that you won't and you can manufacture somebody being over but when somebody gets over organically on their our own they stay over right. They never stopped being over right. And that's what half on Randy said. Yeah Yeah and if you tried to manufacture randy savage's a baby face. Thanks from the start because he was Kinda ric flair even when he was a baby face. He didn't Work Different Ryan head. Yeah he's still did all the same stuff as a baby face basically it is. He'll and that's what made him. So there's no Hogan there's no mega-powers there's there's no wrestlemainia. Three slamming Andre the giant. We hadn't even figured him whereas Andrei figure into this told equation. I think Andrea just is I mean discontinues the baby face. Probably there's Never Andrei android. Never turns he'll unless you gotTA keep. She turned him heel snooker. But I do think snooker's WHO's the guy to go with and I mean did look at feud with back Lynn at any point. I think they wrestled. I'm sure they had match Tuvia. Yeah because I think that's win. Snuck no wait was a hero when he was that Morocco when he went off the top of the cage Iraq off the cage age. That's still in pre. I mean that's impressive with shoes on shoes off is crazy All right let's let's look at the other side of the equation Burn Ganja took out the eighteenth mortgage to pay the iron sheik this hundred grand now. You Got Iron Sheik in Minneapolis. He comes in is vern acting like the she does vern hat burnt. I'm sorry go ahead no you. I think you're gonNA answer my question. Vernon now are so his company any is. We're not fake wrestling okay. But does he act like does chic bring in that bell. hearn says that's what happens when you put a phony sportscenter. Oh aw leaving when you put a phone in the rain with a real wrestler. That's what you get and Hulk Hogan couldn't cut it in. So he ran he he ran and he he really wrestle here. Yeah we're not entertainers where athletes professional athletes were professional wrestling. We wrestle here yeah. That's what happens when when you put somebody who can wrestle in the ring with a guy who's all smoking mirrors he's like when you come to the Awa is the road warriors. Warriors is. The goal is the the Olympian the iron sheik. It's Nick Balk. I don't i. I meant to look on Internet Tennessee. Great Guy Greg Ganja Stan Hansen. Yeah these are you get. Yeah Yeah I th- Rick Martel. Oh comes down to the ring to let let me ask you this. Okay does vern go with Martell because Hogan Hogan was a good baby face shaping and now Marta or does like would that have verge say everything he always wanted to say about wrestling like he would have just been able to cut loose if he does what you did. That's everything he everyone he. Yeah Yeah that's why. He's he doesn't have to be a phone he doesn't have to pretend in anything anymore. He can just say what he feels. And and people at that point people have to choose either these guys I got really broke his leg league. You got real wrestling than you got the entertainment spectacle that is the wwe and then you got Crockett promotions which is that southern blood. Let feuds you'd have three Kinda real good options kind of like you got right now. Yeah so so aren t comes in who okay that point Jimbo Sharada. Who did he win the championship? From boy we're getting. Who did he beat Bockel? But it's getting ready to be martell man iron sheik him and Martel. Good workers makes you. I mean you got you got pure white meat baby face Rick Martel against the DASHER. That gets him dude rig bartell the she instead because when thanks for your all your wildest dreams of country I mean when he beats Jumbo Shrimp Shrug He. I mean even though you listen IOS fruit is like I mean no disrespect to him but I just the American afraid. He's he'll come over here to listen. We have listeners in Japan. And they talk. Yeah you bring in. Let me tell you iron sheik. You not do that. We I started. I was thank you with great as far as that means. He's so happy over. We know you throw out a topic and this is what what I wanted to happen. Like I knew you and I could start and we would find the rabbits to chase and never in my wildest dreams never. Did I think Martell Mania. We've never got a Martell. I gotTA strikeforce autographing here. Yeah I got all the greats You know dusty. Rhodes I got cronos San Martinez Ashtray Sue Terry Funk Harley race the what was the town you made me I had Adam all had a bunch of signed pictures in thing and I like Brennan Santana next to Jackson James Bri. Why are you doing good killing me? No offense no offense to Jackson James. She's retired from this great sport. And you see I got the Hulk Mania Bandanna who really likes you must've yeah probably right before you go hanging out with that was like a year before So okay let's look at the one company headed talked about Crockett hot is hot. Coming off a stark eighty three and now New York's got no momentum so what is what is like so. There's nothing really for Crockett it to counter. So what are the do they just kind of keep doing what they're doing this. Crockett star eating. I mean did Crockett. HOW DO I? I won't say this. Did he eat up the other southern promotions because he was trying to keep up with this or was that something that they were. We're GONNA do as far as the basically the NWEA consolidating think he wanted to do that. Anyway I think he wanted to kind of be that he wanted to be the new SAM. Mushnik yeah you know Jim Barnett. Those guys that were kind of seen as the face of the the national wrestling allies pope. Paul Bosch but I think he wanted his name there and that guy. I guess. It's arguable whether he got it there not does this Obviously Hogan wins things. Get Hot air by starts going to New York. Maybe if that didn't happen people don't New York's not the destination anymore. Yeah it is interesting to think about. I mean I you know I don't know I don't know what else to say about it but I think the person we really haven't talked about a whole lot is the cheek I think aren't she goes Awa is for brief time a focal point but I think everybody knows iron sheet Kinda had his demons but I still don't I don't think aren't I think I don't. I'm not saying aren't cheek. Becomes this huge huge aged megastar. He almost becomes. I don't want to say Like that becomes the one thing he's known for right. And then just does any other promoter ever hiring like man if he'll do that you really can't you can't trust him right you know. And either way he's forever linked Hogan Yeah and so now you got. That's the mattress air. What if K okay? Let me chase this rabbit. Because this so Hogan comes back wins. The belt you get eighty five eighty six things are coming back to to win the bill. No he comes back from injury he took her and Piper of Kim Piper and Hogan comes back beats you you know Piper for the bill. Turn if that happens. I don't know that Hogan's beaten Piper for the bill Hogan comes back wins the championship. Because I think they still think Hogan's going to be the Big Star but I think Pifer already had trouble doing the job for Hogan if he's had a couple of years to be to be even more invested as their top guy yeah. I don't know that he's going to be willing to put Hogan but anyway my point is vince brings iron sheik back in for the rematch. Give me Ho Ho Ho Hogan. I can't Talk Hawke. Okay in the Iron Sheik Wrestlemainia one wrestlemainia one versus versus the iron sheik. Wouldn't it was the first Persian Gulf War. Maybe they could have been four years later that what did they at time. That sargent slaughter in iron she gets. It's no way I'm getting okay. I'm getting everything step now. You started yelling and it messed me up as me to establish arena thing hope Pizza Tova breadsticks Mariner. Thank you come in here and sit down and talk about uh-huh oh shocking here. The other episode we were it was lot talking about the lollipops. And I think would've voucher over to start selling. It was great. It was a great great episode and nobody will ever get to hear the patrons. Will they'll get here heavily. Redacted version Asia. See Nobody's going to get here though. I'll send you a copy pleased. I WanNa hear man. It was some of our best best and worst work. It was my best work. Was your best work. So yeah the the answer to the question. What if the iron sheik had broken hulk? Hogan's leg we don't too. Many things have happened terrible episodes. I because we like. We're we're asking more questions they were answering and I think that's good is is it. Is it really good questions and you answered yes world payment. They've been asking more questions than yeah. This is this being recorded Oh so much. Hey Hey one thing we did on the last episode that we do need to mention because it didn't go out mark brought brought to. I believe this is a public service. All right so so this is we'll close with this because it may I'm. I'm tired. Mark Bald Mountain Dew. Zero Sugar Sh and brought him today. We're going to taste test. We did this during the episode. That's is not going to air and so a couple of days ago. When I first tried one I really liked it? It tasted to me tasted tasted just like mountain dew in the day. Since then is I've had more and then today it was confirmed that the mountain dew zero sugar taste just like diet. Mountain dew and Diet Mountain dew tastes just like a dog. But yes and so my Pepsi Co. Mountain Dew. Whatever your company name is? You are wasting my time. You're you're wasting everybody's time you have just put out a duplicate soda and it is terrible. Yeah anybody's list yeah. Mountain dews zero sugar is one of the worst tasting so soft drink beverages. I've ever had in my life but I fully expected like again. I texted you I I say bringham would because when I tasted the first one house like Oh yeah but I think you know wh I had a soda in a while I could see that. You're you're still drinking it. That's what kills me. I'm so thirsty. I'm so thirsty today. For some re- leaves this after-taste. Yeah it almost leaves your tongue. No it's like your tongue is saying please stop saying. Hey what are you do. It's kind of like your liver which I can't remember the voice I did. What are you doing? Ah So anyway. Public Service announcement. Save your money. Don't buy yes dig with the regular mountain here because it zero zero sugar so I would go as far to say. The Christmas mounties better than this. Hey had the Christmas. The worst mountain dews are better than this. I agree this is terrible. It's an awful soda awful. The whole point of a sodas like make you feel good about life. It's the bring Joey Block. Count like having a random encounter with concern But this is terrible Beyond terrible it is. I'm still I'm sitting here. The aftertaste is so bad. I need to drink more to get rid aftertaste. It's so bad I spent three bucks on two of those drinks this morning. I took one drink of mine and I refuse during anymore each pretty big. Yeah I turned it up and took a fool. I'm a professional director. This is true. You know what I mean when I pulled off drank. I'll take a pull off right. You're looking you know you ain't think of the consequences you take pool. You are committee you are all what is this. Gave it to uh-huh Lawrence delivers. That's not the I gotta go back and listen listen we also had on the other episode knows before we started hit record that's where the money is is unrecorded stuff and this this video art turnkey flipped over on his back to get up biggest. Maybe we had a great sitcom idea so much money in that. I think I'm GONNA ride it. I'M GONNA ride it So anyway We gotta look at the schedule. I think the next time it the next time we together may be. Oh you know what the next time is drake's birthday that's I can't recall. Well we can figure it out another day because we got to. We've found a secret location. That's right I forgot about that. Yeah so everything's about to change this. Maybe last time we record in this basement could be. That's the sad day. It is a sad day I I. I'm going to break K.. For Minute I want my mom's basement the other day because I needed needed a place to store store some stuff during the move and it flooded and let me tell you mark. We never. My goal was to eventually record at least one episode so literally in my mom's basement never gonNA happen I would not subject to the horrors of a lot of people. You see it on the move in season. I know it's a little bit different because you actually live in the house you grew up. You know people Thanksgiving Christmas the movies as they go back to their house and they go back to their old room. And there's an astrologer. Yeah that was not. I went down there the other day and I was like. Oh my gosh what in the world would hold it Toledo. What has happened Hooley Toledo Comfort? I don't know I bet Holy Holy Toledo like ten times today more like six. That time I said it twice within a minute of each other earlier you holy Toledo. It's cold out here. I need a code and then you walked in and got a coat and walk out the door and said Holy Toledo. That feels better. Yes you did. Because that's when I noticed it I would. I need to look at the. I need to look at the origin of Holy Toledo. I'm sure it's like Jiminy cricket. You know what I mean this. I don't say that a lot more need bring. I'm trying to bring back the classic. 'cause you know what Jiminy cricket may drive. You've never you really don't know people say Germany Jiminy cricket what's the initials J. C.. So they started saying Jimmy Cricket instead of Jesus described. I always said it because it reminded me of the grasshopper off. Pinocchio and I was saying Hey little grasshopper you're supposed to be. They sang a song to help me sleep. When you wish pasta you just be Your Gad? Who ooh that's a great show? I don't know that I've Ever Seen Pinocchio all the way through. I think I need to just go busy pleasant. What makes sure? I've seen all the classics. I think Pinocchio will. You'll find it much more disturbing. Yes I tried to like. It's trying to great. He's got some disturbing parts in it. It really does shipping young boys off to pleasure island and things like that. It's got some. There's some and some disturbing steph where they make asses of themselves literally what we do. That's what it's all about like the transition a Oh boy to like an adolescence. They literally turned into jackasses. That's really terrible. Leave stop drinking. Thank you I gotta get to taste. Never really say that even if you keep your ranking it you don't know that let me live. I live judging me. So we're recorded this January twenty fifth very quickly Brock listeners number one going in the Royal Rumble You book a couple years ago. You wanted him to go in. Number one eliminate nate. Everybody I think he eliminate twenty eight People Matt Riddle be number twenty nine eliminate brock listener. But go tell everybody what you said you think was going to happen because I think that was in our lab. Yeah so I wanna see how close you are so. This is what I would love to see happen. Leisure come in and he eliminates everybody. I'm not saying he that it's always just him and one other person in the ring but throughout this match he eliminates everybody was command Pain Etf they do The big brawl every year. And it's been really cool like sit down with boomer and see how he kind of looks and I've just thought about all these different ways you think about how many Roy we're almost there have been. There are just so many different ways that hasn't been so brock leisure going in there eliminate everybody number thirty hits. It's Matt Riddle Matt. Riddle comes in eliminates brought listener. Boom you got a Ra- AH MONEY WRESTLEMAINIA main event. That's what I want to happen. That's what I think would be awesome. What's probably going to happen is brought listeners? Fighting around in there buddy murphy our feedbacks into him knocks him over the top rope brought literature eliminated in three weeks birdie. Murphy's never seen on row again and it's like it never happened. We just see that highlight every now and then and so it might not be Buddy Murphy maybe Otis or it may be one of the authors of pain it might be. It'll be like when maven eliminated the undertaker that right right and in a moment that should be used to elevate somebody and this will be a wasted thing. I think that's probably what it was like. Oh that's good. That's funny ha ha. I'll be good good humor. It's good no. It's not some stories. You hear these weird stories about rocky Johnson's okay. So I did and then I heard I saw different things I saw were Hairy Smith said some things and I saw superstar. Billy Graham said some things and then somebody else came out and said The thing like basically vents got up there and said Rocky Johnson did one good thing and he was he was a good father bother and You know he had he had kids and that was the best thing ever did. And so the person telling stories so that's what Rocky Johnson wanted people say about him that the best thing about him Hamm was his kids see. That was what I thought too. When I read it I was like there's two different ways to tell that story and depending on where you put the inflection on the words right he's this and this and this but the best thing you ever did was married her and have a kid that's rattling or it would be like if I said but you know what he would because that's what you just said to me earlier like you're trying not to ruin your ruin your kids man and like you said that? Yeah yeah about somebody. That's not an insult but apparent. Apparently all this great thing but you know the best thing he ever did he had a son and he. You know what I mean like could see people saying that right and then you gotta take everything Billy Graham says very yeah and then Pat. Patterson the the rumor was was he got up there and just started talking like a wrestler in the church and I and the and they were talking about that. They rushed him off stage and the person that said. Yeah he he did not say all he said things inappropriate for church and they turn his mic off and that sounds about right. COSC- that actually. Hey let's be honest if I was eighty. Could you see me doing that at your funeral. Yes the forty if unexpectedly today but like yeah. Yeah I see that I get easiest apparent talking about your friend. And you're not thinking about you thinking about all the good times if you hadn't Blah Blah and the next thing you know you're gonNA drop. Yeah I've done it. Hey Oh yeah I would love I would love to hear. It's one thing to hear Bruce Prichard till the story. I would love to hear Pat Patterson in his own like hear him himself go into one of his things. And you get the hey and on and tonight you know I read his book I have not read it yet. Yeah Yeah Yeah So yeah I don't know I don't know who's GonNa win the Royal Rumble. Don't K- I'll I'll watch it. I maybe I'm going to tune in to watch it but it'll probably be late. I'll probably watch start. Turn it on at like nine forty five the other matches there's a women's royal rumble and there's a men's royal rumble. I know Becky Lynch's wrestling Oscar again on I've heard Oscars. Yeah Yeah her Oscar is GonNa May Go over. And then she should. Oscar should be the one. Becky can't be. Yeah that's that's that's a good gimmick to have one person that you eventually. She beats her right. There needs to be there for good buffet. Who Somebody you would love to Who's WHO's return? You WanNa see in the royal rumble match. I think it is definitely coming back. I think AH posted a picture of him with all this gear in a bag looking at it because they can't help us ball. I think we're GONNA see edge. It's not like I don't I think that they should Make Foley said at the other day so I don't like but I think it too. They should only it'd be one or two legends. Yes come come in and I don't WanNa see them. Waist keithly vaulter yes get thrown out by rock listener or by somebody else inconsequential If you'RE GONNA use somebody like Matt Riddle or Walter Keithly then put them in there and have them. I'm go toe-to-toe with less. Make them look like even if he eliminates. Yeah you could really elevate those guys by having them right not right you you know what I mean not just get destroyed by you build. Somebody like think about the I like. Maybe somebody's done this. I just I don't like think about the first time he German. SUPLEX somebody in a pop back. That person's over. Yes yeah I might even You know we've talked about it. I may have Have the fiend eliminating is he. I think the feigned has a match never before has I think he's wrestling danger. Brian for the title And see they're doing this thing where sometimes it's bray why. Sometimes it's the thing but all the time I don't care pretty good like I really don't the whole firefly funhouse and I'm Gonna I'M GONNA and I'll be honest. Why that mass creeps me out? It is creep. That mask is go away I have. I have zero less than zero negative. I don't WanNa Watch a match with him. When that mass it is so scary disconcerting for me I don't know it just doesn't look right off putting its off put like I'm not saying I'm not offended by it? It's not enjoyable for me scares you. It scares here's me a little bit. Yeah pee pants a little bit. I'm not saying scared. I'm not scared. Not The right word. You put words in my mouth. I I said scared. And you said yes literally you played Yes But yeah there's just something about there's something about that I don't I can't it just looks weird. His whole outfit and everything just weird. I don't I don't like it was supposed to be so. Maybe I should say Kudos them. But I don't want to end the red had lie. I don't like the red line I agree with you. I don't like ooh anyway I'm not a fan of the red. I'd like the pain went to e w was the leader of dark order than it might be good. Yeah boy they're terrible. I don't know about that dark order so I haven't seen anything that I like about it and then isn't it like brandies doing something similar for the female the nightmare coalition or something. He can't have everybody doing that. Yeah get a lot of things. I don't get what you can do what you can get folks if you own own Apple podcasts Joan Apple podcast spotify Anyplace you get podcasts. 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You know what I like doing it on purpose is telling ninety five percent end of story and insane all right long story shore said all that. Say That's one of your go-to expressions. Yeah but the long stories short. I'd use it specifically as Oxymoron. When I've told a long story that didn't show showing it all but also so like when a messing with my kids I'll tell long story like let's say I'm telling a story about the civil war and then I'll say long story short? We landed waited all the moon. It's all good like what to do but I just would somebody. I don't want a long on story short. I won't the whole story I mean most of shorten it shave the details you are on you. Go to movie spoiler hit cut to the chase. Don't you I do to cut to the chase to know what you're talking about. What movie spoiler the movie spoiler DOT COM? Where Green go and read all the movie spoilers? Oh No no you can hit cut to the chase and get the whole movie like five sentences. 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"This is a head gum podcast. Hello and welcome good one podcast about jokes. I'm your host vulture senior editor Jesse David FOX each episode. A comedian comes onto pick from the career to play in disgust. For example, this episode where exactly that will happen. Our guest this week is low rail Howard with maybe best known for his breakout role and get out and also this past fall for co creating starring in the semi-autobiographical FOX com realm which on both projects, but the focus Israel stand up. I love rail stand up because a real sense of place that place, of course, being the city. He's from started Chicago, but more than that with a storytelling in how habits a character since life. You get a full picture his world survey on the joker about here is pretty special. So I wanna let relit but just for some context version about the plays from two thousand ten appearance on stars personnel. Stand up series one other note, dips, it was reported live at bolts festival LA this past fall. So here's a little round two thousand ten. Then little rail. And I and the people quietly washing the interview from two thousand eighteen and joy. No matter how crazy my parents grew at seventy five or something don't what they did to my days. Talk point bent down. Step back to. Say the point douse that back. Oh, you're still saying says tat turkeys taking out the garbage. Sickness ships his second jet. It wasn't that what you're doing. My mom's spoke cigarettes growing. My momma was a cigarette. Smoke of I love about to the bullet. But she had to mount anybody crew among with the daddy voice. No. And she was how you doing. Hi, you doing? You kid? You know, you always beg your parents shit. You know, saying you look is bothering him. Can can I get a kid? I won't what's them on my loss. But she just got TATA's begging for shit. There's a true story. She he has shrimp fried rice, right? This. This really have. We begging g like it. I have our law cannot have. Can I? I have sit to myself. But you can't I. Daddy, about two wings the piece eight got their way. People just price per shirt factory. Right. Masha pad. Shit. Did man homework. Could you right MSG? It will kill you. Saying quiet this year with our. Argonne acquired. We look out to I'm not single goddamn. You'll see no other women in the back room. It is the eighties micro set up for. So you would he hit a resume cloudy. Jeez. Your say. By chairman. I do say my wife. I will kinky away. What are you doing? That Clinton alone. Yeah. I wanna we do this live which of the comedians that like their material, and what's in you're laughing. Because this is a true story. He'll did that bit and years too. And so it's fun to watch that just sort of like, that's I remember that. I just look at the energy. I had to I had to table. I industry. Twenty eight I'm like Otis. Before we get to the juggling to start a little behind a like, a little your childhood to get a sense of how you got starting to comedy. So you grew up in Chicago around like a really big time for Santa like specifically in the south side. There's the club all jokes aside, which was like the seminal comedy club in the history of comedy in American comedy. Where you, you know, you're still young aware of those things yet funny is they did a NBC one of those specials all jokes aside, like a new story. And honestly, I I try to I try to go at a council of my school. David Burs errors. He got. It was funny. And I'm like, yo could you take me to this comedy club to see if I can go up the crater. They is by the time. We decide to do that the club was closed. So oh, okay. That was weird. You you ask and killed the club. But it was. But it's so funny. Those one of those little things maybe wanna do stand up. It's a club here. I wanna soon as I get old enough. I'm gonna go to. Yes. Like like, you heard of Robin Harrison Bernie MAC when huge rob hairs fan Bernie MAC Martin. But Eddie Murphy's delirious is what maybe wanna do stand up that. I I'm a homeboy with what it's funny because we looked at it like this old thing like mad as old comedy specials, and we watched delirious, and was it was just brilliant, man. Like just the way acted out everything. And like you tell a story to each care in the story, which is why the way up four Matt my stand up is based off the way, Eddie Murphy four minute. Here's characters but you're built in a story. Yeah. You you set it up, and then you just act it out. It was the first time he performed it was some comedy was at high school talent show was da it was. So it wasn't stand up. I did a play in high school. And the teacher. Let me write all the my funny stuff. And I guess the first big I went to ghetto high school. They didn't they will heckle any. It'd be people that like trying to speak positive Shittu shut the puck don't wanna do shit like. So I was like nervous if this is not funny. Like big on give it to me. And the first big lab, I got was from my peers it was a rap after that, man. Just literally the the teacher who who directed sent me a clip which I have a postage out. They'll might posted soon, which is so cramped little me. I'm like insanely skinny Alec like a different person every three years. You know what I mean? I kinda weird. But I I would just so it's so funny watching that because that was my moment of like, this is what I wanna do for real want to specifically allow I'm going to be a comedian actor writer, and then so I believe we started stand up like will your first start was in nineteen at the lions done of Mike, which also the legend or will be letting everyone Nobel like a lot people started their handlebars are there. Yeah. Camille, nanjiani you those guys those my friends. Did it feel like something was happening? I don't think we thought about it like that. I didn't think about that two years later might y'all we always at this little small. So weird and not good yet. Yeah. You just tell these weird jokes. See other wasn't a real crowd, which is big enough to really get like when I six France. Oh, you pack the place. So it's so weird. When I think about all of started is really small SP I almost got jumped off with a whole nother gang me. Right. It was like it was a Hispanic gangs over that way. And they knew the fuck out. Like what if jokes? You look at you funny. What my what was coming from the lies, Dan? That's fucking crazy. Do you? Remember any of the earlier jokes did or the weirdo ones? I used to a lot of stuff about wearing glasses. I do a lot of wear glasses. Like, you know. I I always say, you know, what you wear glasses. You don't get the same threat as everybody else. Yeah. That was my first job was, you know, they do them unoccupied. You write them a slap? You're not your mother glances off your face lucky. Just punch anybody. Yeah. That was the joke. If talked about, you know, Chicago traditionally has a pretty segregated comedy scene, but you didn't necessarily a you. You didn't play by that sort of rule. Why was it? How do you think that affected the comedy? What I did was at first I just went wherever I saw comedy like the Chicago, sometimes USA put out this little weekend newspaper with the Friday paper, and I will go in there like for years like probably fourteen fifteen I was just looking at the list of clubs for no reason. I just was his new was. Was what plays was there? It was just always there. So you know, I didn't think about it. Like, I just went to wherever comedy was. And I didn't realize how segregated it was until I started just like going to the south side come into the is. And it's it's kinda still is a lot different now. Because of like, maybe like me and handle all of us became friends. So everybody started coming into each other stuff. But for a long time, it wasn't like it was kinda it's still kinda weird. But that's Chicago generate a segregated city. So it seemed like the big break. There's when he started hosting open mic at jokes and notes. What was that? Like, how did that influence the type of comedy did not say, I mean, that's that's I was the other day 'cause people still hit me into moments miss. It was just it was like a rockstar. Now, you're like it wasn't like regular open. Mike you had to be late over Micheals was scared to go up because they're not as ain't no Bush. It's a real Audiencia packed it every week. It was like NFL players come in and like basketball mailed by bottles. It was like a club. That's what I did. Because I thought it was weird that comedians always promote the comedy shows that other comedy shows about so out started going to the clubs and I used to have a comedy CD, and I will give it away for free. It'd be like a group of girls in the car. You'll take the CD promise you funny. They come to the show Email me or hit this mass is going message meal masterpiece. But it was like it used to be a line around a corner every week for like three open my over because I was reached out on every week here. So I didn't do anything twice so everybody that's on relevant special is the best of whatever. I did what you'd have to remember. Yeah. You don't forget the stuff that make people cry laugher and a lot of that stuff came up. Maybe I heard it somebody bitten ideal came. It was it's crazy when I think about this like every week, not repeat whatever. To me this week is going on stage. Yeah. And that's what I was so much fun. I think hosting your grace skills that as a comedian to be able to perform to me in front of anybody. And whatever the situation is you don't have to force your material yet. Yeah. You not to talk to people. I d you get into its first you're selling yourself post, the material like first things comedian. We'll figure out what. Let's talk about this joke in. So let's start with just sort of growing up. Did you realize your parents were funny? Did you find them where they people? He knows funny. I didn't realize footing. My mom was two 'til I got old and I start doing comedy like, you know, you before she passed we became friends when I started. That's come. She will come to the I did that bit was in front of her real. Yeah. I was like, well, we go. She thought she was like dying. Like, you know what I mean? So, you know, which is weird because my kids now be doing like, it's so you'll kids do see you like the my silica, really. They know man get that doing this. What? They pay attention to all the little things about you. And that's heard that that was the same thing. She was like funny funny. And if crazy watching bit that's such a crazy. That's more of a personal. Yeah. Because only did that Joe. She passed nine. We did in twenty ten me. And my little brother was on the phone just talking about mom, you remember that? Remember, she can have like she's a say all. Shipped to myself. And we was talking about he was on my brothers. My muse, my little brother, man, he is my like, I could just be having phone conversations here. And I'm like, argh gotta take that to the states. That's forget about because they both have memories than disease. He's a comedian. It's both our memories it all. Yeah. And then like, I always acted out like talk to them like he I'll be having him on the phone like in tears, I just random I'll give up to about Russell Westbrook. He laughs every new so that that was it was more comforting us for me to do that on stage in general when you're starting out. Did you ever think not to sort of talk about your family onstage? Like, oh, that's that's like I should. I didn't. I don't know. What I was scared of it. I I was I didn't do that at first I was just trying to do bids. And then my roommate Brian Wildcats myth in meaty hall complex that comedians, also my roommates, and I'll be telling these stories on road trips, and obviously we have group of girls at the house the girls land, and they do why you don't do any of this stuff on stage. Yeah. But the jokes tell tell you stories man stuff is funny and one day chickens. I j ski and I went oh stage. Honestly changed. I think my career, and I will go about doing material was do you? Remember that first time. There's really you're like oh this. Is completely different year. My birthday riddled comedy club. Deary Davis hosted Sunday nights. There was that night was another like, that's that's what got the hustle comedy from or just making a comedy show. Like, not just a comedy show like like feel like a real thing because that's what he deal Sunday nights. I mean, that's that's what MCI in for the first time was was that his show. Everybody was there. Yeah. And it was like crazy pags do make all this money and come to LA. I think that's how he sponsored his Hollywood move. He'd make come Sunday nights mega killing flat a LA. And but anyway, I think it was my birthday. And that was actually the first I've got one hundred dollars. He gave me one hundred dollars. First of all years later, he made thousands of dollars. So. Poor get to shows. Our thank you, my, mommy minute. That's more than that. But no, I did it that night. And I never forget when I got on stage. It was like I remember like whatever jokes. I was doing like note. Never do it again. This is this is this is funnier when you do characters how do you pro-choice -veloping what you want them to sound like what he won them act? Like, you're physicality of like, how do you sort of just about that? I don't I just I kinda just do it. Yeah. And that's what I say the open mic night. I was just doing stuff, you know. So I. So many bits. I do I'm doing a bit about my uncle, you know, going to six flags, and you know, him being cheap. Like we make sandwiches. Who's ever in my life? I've seen I figure out a way to implement a pass. That's my own. He's that is exactly him. That's what eight-man Kate citizens. You know, all that stuff. Like, that's that's him. So it's just like a weird. Nerdy key. It just like I mean, even creepy out people watch a lot I'll go I'll go to a club. I myself just to watch people. And then just watch talk watch do Dushi like that's funny and try to implement that carry. So you're doing voices your whole life. Yeah. I mean, I was doing late in highschool ice. Do is the robber perish. Oh, rob repairs is an old basketball play way too long and he played with the bulls. I think his last, but he just he should sound like a Slade. He did this. It was his local karate place in Chicago. He did a commercial for those most insane thing. And I started talking lately TD's six years, and I got a pair about Bush. I I hate to say, but he did. I'll start doing Dennis Rodman. I did basketball players. Yeah. So I didn't rod sleep, brother. You know? And then I did Michael Jordan in hard to say just a little weird into basketball person. Is that what your parents sounded like voice was raspy, man. In somebody stores. You got that one? You know, the cat story of the say when the cat died. Manhole pay its way what what's that? What's that story for those? Because I'm saving it for the special. But you know, it's it's really it's true story the catastrophic. Smoked around onto budget fucked up, but. One day while video. And all of us were scared teller that cat day. I tell about daylight. Look, that's you'll mom. This is my wife. But that's you, mama. You tell. Tell you. Say the whole. What's really funny bit? Spoil it. And that's what your dad's deal. Like each day because now he's older now, and you know odor. Like, you know, we O'day to start telling you these new stories shit. Apparently they killed somebody. I I don't know. We don't know if it's true. Keep breaking step shift the story. He's telling it to everybody. You've heard, but even just telling these stories fuck dog amount, which is interesting too. Because now you end up human as your parents. Well, my dad 'cause we gotta take care of them. Now, pretty much my mom used to complain about surgeon shit, and we didn't understand. But now, we get it. Because they're responsible. Does he likes in bad playing him? He loves their family lost it when they found out symbols. When my dad because he REM like crazy Simba reminded me of my uncles and my like ultimate late when I was watching him on television. He just reminded me of them his cadences the way say things, and you know, is very that was so surreal bible bad play. My dad. I'm the show is almost like he's started to like my second dad in like real life, text me, and my man on it was great up. So great writing proud of you man, you're doing he don't have to do. You know what I'm saying? I love shopping. But yeah, that's my family lo-. They love in bad ways. Like, he really the generation of like kids are in cool anymore kids. Like like, we listen to good music. You guys listen to just talking about funk. Bad person nation. When you do these characters does do you feel like was it feel like to inhabit a person who feel like you're change? Like do you like take on something ferment year? I mean doing that Burbach movie that was the first character that wasn't like me. Was way more insecure and all the other shit, and I had to take that on like and like because he didn't talk to people. He's one of those people I kind stay to it self. And and I was the person had to give this information out in the movie. So it was either like I got really weird. It was to my assistant. I can't talk to nobody for about a month. Like 'cause I started talking crazy because I I really owned that shit like Oche it which is like four films. I'm doing now. I like I like that tough shit. Like, I watched it when I watched Jim Carey's documentary. I watch the after I did his movie to kinda figure out a way to get out of this. Yeah, they had to be a regular merge. So you what you do learn to take something from that care to right? Maybe some you learn from it. But it's you know, I remember reading about Denzel what he did training day and his wife kicked him out the house. He was talking like he was doing what you're saying. What the fuck out you come back when you didn't Zale, sir. You don't talk to be like man, that's some heavy shit. But that's I when I think about doing characters on stage has led to late nowadays movie rose where I'm really I I still I wanna go dark. I'll give a fuck like played a joke. 'cause I just some is some funny interested just becoming one mother fuck there. Yeah. So a joke like this. You know, you you mentioned that this is what happened. What do you then go onstage with you just sort of? I just do. I just tell the story as he isn't in a lot of times. I blackout and character. That's why I can't do this joke anymore. I can't do this joke anymore because I remember the last time idea, my mom stage that. So weird because I'm doing it. But then I started missing her. Yeah. At the same time. It's it's so my sound crazy. But I literally started missing her. And I'm like, I can't. Yeah. I was the crowns they people just laugh at his sheet. And they they didn't under our fuck. I might I can't do. I miss her. She's so fuck I missed this lady. Because when you do it. It's like that person. There is like she's and so weird as a weird thing. It's like maybe a couple of years ago when I was I I need I can't do a little bit in the in relevant get just this little bit because I couldn't other stories I have. But I'm not ready to I guess it's weird because this was early when she just passed it was just more or less celebrating than him. You know within his years when going up, Mr. especially these moments now, you know, you start going to the Emmys and shit like this is what I would love to take with me out of stuff. So hey, don't get older. But it's so weird that most recently, I'm like damn, which is why my comedy everything is so purse. To me because I think it's their -peutic be quite honest with. But that's why I haven't done it awhile. The how do the joke change doing? I mean, you said you had the joke reading the needed it again. How did it change doing? It just got a got better. And even more honest, and what she was saying to me. And that's what I'm saying. Like when I black not do it differently. Which is weird to can do you'll see me do this bit this way. If you go see me laugh, I might change if he goes to I might just which I might just I take on the character. And what if I think that it is you know, what I mean? So it's just the the words to change most time anything, I it's hard for me to do a Begum because I I might find some some some another clever thing to say it. It's like I 'cause there's deal do different parts of this throughout you'll find a different parts that in different things happened. It seemed and it's like you're improvising with yourself. How did sort of doing stand up helping sort of the morning process? We're able to do after your mom passed. It's a weird because you know. We go at it. I'm the oldest so at a funeral shit, and we're gonna casket shop, me and my aunt t's not shopping. It was. I didn't know we had pay. I didn't realize how much shit calls to what the what? To put this grant is ten thousand dollars. Got irregular boxes. But it was like look, so we look at caskets. My aunt Joyce was big lady. Directors such as Joyce. Ooh. I like this. We get this one for me. And she's like, no you have to or your special. Everything on what the. And I was in tears left. But that's what these moments of like comedy comedy. Because I love my mom and all those my brother, right? Yeah. Once again comics may have dark sec- Huma. But that my family does. And we have a my brother telling me like if he couldn't breathe on his own makes you, you know, take me off to shit and the argument dad about my son. But that's what he asked me to do. So anyway, once we did that and he passed, and everybody's crying in the room and. My Anna and my cousin lane. Like they wanted to see like the the parent daughter. She sisters, but they not flee argue she like they've roommates. Fuck it weird. Elaine has extras fuck. We all cry. She just like matter, you cry her brother that you just hear somebody go and be. Way too much, Dr hanging on the fucking curtain. She screaming Mehanna. Mehanna joanne. So they argue all of say and me, and my brother it went from crying t to like dying laughing because we knew Mark as my brother. We all. That's I'd like, yeah. This is this is I love this family. This is a moment because it's like you went from sad to go. Larry's in relevant. I think you talk about funeral stuff. We don't get specific is that what was behind that decision. I don't know because it was so much happening. When it today, I don't want it to a lot of shit. But at the time was going through the divorce thing. So that's what I kinda wanted to focus on and and it Judah started to my sons and start doing fucking hilarious shit. So that's why doing Derrick rose joke or whatever. But yeah, it's this whole funny because I because Kevin Hart produced and everybody you go. Do you wanna go into road to work shit? Like what the fuck do. I was nervous. She but you need to do to shows. Do we need to do one? I did I did two different sets. Well, so the one that made it to television was the first show the one I said, I just need one fucking show. And then the second show on purpose. I did a whole nother set just that just the point. What was the the day actually shooting like this on Joe? So the funny thing about Marla. So I wasn't supposed to be on the show. I remember being pissed to actually about this gonna came to Chicago. They picked all these people ought to get picked which I was like what the fuck of that about. I do I'm I'm killing him on his show. Yeah. And I saw a math forget his name. But he's he's to develop the show with Martin and he meal my ill. You told me you don't put me on the show of ever come Chicago these outside man, I feel bad bub-bubba somebody missed a flight. I was already downtown because Tiffany haddish was and I was down into support tiff. And man like, wow, I'm down their support her. They real could you you wanna do to show. I had to go shopping downtown that purple shirt some shit. I bought at the last minute. That would be my. That was like that wasn't gonna about that share about this shit downtown at. Yeah. It was. So last me, I didn't know what I was going to do. I just haven't had his phone conversation with Matt about the can I have won't and what they take so funny what they take out of that. They don't show the whole thing at the end of my set shirl under was wholesome. Maybe come back on stage. And she says Chicago, this is your next Bernie MAC? He's going to be the next big thing that was a twenty ten and they took the. So it is one of those moments. I guess just Chicago Chicago theater. It was packed and forget who had to go back to the ship. It was one of the that's one of my favorite television. It as crazy as the energy. I was it was fucking crazy. What do you? Sometimes when you do that. Can I have I want what you just do that for like minutes? I could do I I I'm built on that. But you cut it down for television. But yeah, I if I won it could be one one person could be in tears laughing. I'm about to fucking kill you. We're talking about before. But you're you're currently working on his an episode of your show that's based around. How's that process? Been that's been interested. This episode right now is based off my mom is dedicated to it's so one of my favorite episodes of television is my name is Alex family ties where he did basically that play man, Michael J, FOX. We'll just brilliant that maybe wanna be actor actually episode where he ended his friend got killed from a drunk driver. He was dealing with that. And we'll just brilliant the way that the way that was done, and that's kinda Nevena what I'm doing with this particular episode with me. It's just my situation is more dealing with meant to mental health ally. You know, I know with me, I didn't grieve the right way right away because you know, you should go talk to. So I want to I'm going to show I'm gonna show a couple of outside of dedicate to my mom showing. It's okay to you know, to talk to somebody helping. Yes. So it's gonna be great. I mean, it's been it's going to be emotional. But like me, I usually wait until show night where I really liked. You know, 'cause every episode is kind of been like that that we've done rail so far it's all has this emotional backing to, you know, a lot of lot of episode of wanted to speak with really to my brother for real the situ tonight's episode. You know? A lot of elements of what my little brother is in this particular is this a. Shit. This fun create an think FOX for that man for letting me do whatever I wanna do is kinda kinda crazy. But it is you know, it's fun. But I I don't know if everybody gets that. You try to make things all this audience demographic this I'm not doing. I'm just making the show. You wanna make wherever the fuck. I wanna make you you you say in this clip, and you do the slot. You'll say like, oh, this is true. This is a real story. What for your wasn't mean for something to be true wise important for you? Is harmful people to still truth. People remix jokes and steel versus over or even with me over the years care. Just care does. I'm done done their virgin of my characters and like, okay. But you can't steal my story. I mean that happened to me. So if you do that, you're fucking maniac. Lunatic. Yeah. So yeah. No. It's the truth is hard to steal the truth. Yeah. I I read that you're really moved by Richard Pryor's book, man. So good because it was you know, amazing about if prac which is a license to the Jobe there and then the real shit. It was his brilliant L like, Richard, really? That it's so it goes back to the mental health, especially comedians, man. I. Comics, you talk to people I talked to each other. Now gives them hill. Because a lot of not necessarily meet, but most couple really dark places and rich has so many insane things like you wish he could have meant over. I was in his prime Richard pride new Oprah. So he has about a buck and talk to that shit. He went through was fucking inside. It makes you feel bad for them to. I remember being sad. Looking that first part of the book everything happened in his childhood? That's insane. So we watch rail. And it's you know, it's not it's lot of stuff is one to one right? It's like it's your name. But also, the divorce that of two FaceTime kids every day, you know, his dad's or whatever his brother just got out of prison. His best friend believes based on Tiffany Hannah shoes to everybody was made me for. By you gotta be an GM because that's what happened. Is this the true like TATA's stereotypes because up petty shit? So yeah. So we're now I don't wanna I wanna just what I want in this real just doing this. But like I wanted to display his development. My brother went to jail for a year came back. It was tough because he was still at a jail shit. And I was taking he didn't realize that people knew me and should people come speak to focus daily news a fan. But to watch who he is not just went to his win a few months ago. He had a. Oversee somewhere. Beautiful. Why beautiful kick? Great job. Yeah. I saw him develop. And I wanted to show that on the show as he develops which we did want to when you see in net development. But I want to show that because a lot of Smith situation where cats got out, and they couldn't get it together or didn't have the right support system or whatever. But brother, we supported him because I feel bad I felt like fucking jail. How did you run away? But I was focused on comedy and myself, and I didn't really, you know, I I wouldn't really have a little bit. Like, I should like comedians at your level get shows with their name the title. They don't have to perch this way. They could like they do whatever they're gonna have a talking dog or whatever why why was this what show needed? I just I think comedy is a is Haley, you you know, what I mean? Good. What never done like negative com- mostly healing to me. So I like figures. Forget which episode. It was one of the episodes. I just got so many messages from people thanking me for talking about certain things like yours funny. Appreciate you. You know, not being afraid to to let some give vitamin away. That's what I'm doing is how to get through certain things and just making a point the Halloween. So you loved it. Or you hate it my guts, it wouldn't like because but I wanted people to understand we did this crazy as episode. You know, because I stay I stay black artist should be able to do what they wanna do. You know, we always got to be so fuck ac-, and we should be able to be weird shit. Nobody thinks big damned did. So it's like an episode in defense of black mediocre. So what you should be able to do what we should get the same. Millions of dollars dumb shit. The thing that I've always loved about your standards depict Chicago before we talk about it. I wanted to play a clip from your special relevant that also get gets brought up which I it's always one of my favorite, Pittsburgh. So can you play that clip feel good of you as Chicago, man? I've been trying to do like, you know, stuff 'cause I'm back home just to feel it. But then you'd be like, maybe I shouldn't do that. Like like I end up getting on the bus. Reminiscent one day. Maroon is Morad Jackson buses think about life. That the lasted two. Ruinous for do stunts highschool. Get. Do the game. No. About that. They don't give a damn what is this? Fifty six AM rose the show. There's a freestyle on a bus. And I was the punchline, I even know. Shit too right there. What do we do? Buddy, right. Cool. I'm scary. Army jR, go back and forth with them. All black man who can't take it. No more. Garbage man he'd been at work all day. You can't take this shit. John Lewis walk me, you gotta walkman steel. Plane. Bull. Get the roles at his ass. He just look straight ahead. Dirty dirty avail van. Thrive on a but. Uh-huh. Only Joe lonely. Say. I'll watch about civil not means. This thing about oh, dude. Stop started about the. The old do that you play played. You're like that all do about to cry. He's a. Cheap. Keep mother fuckers. The liquid. You don't want. Is David Greer bed every little bit. He do the shakes do Olympic. You do. Got started. I try to perfect shift from watching degree. I told David I don't think he believe that's why I did. He just he's so good at that shit. What is it about Chicago that you just love doing material battle of everybody else talking about like? City. You go to New York New York is you don't even know what about but I heard a million times and bits. So it's like everybody else from wherever it affirmative. Matt talking about where you know, what he grow house. I fuck that. I'm going Chicago. Whatever happens comics, Chicago, it's only gonna be going to local is you may and ain't nobody gonna get shit Noelle's whatever fan. I mean, I'm glad I didn't take that advice. You talked about earlier career. You heard Jamie, FOX is managers say something about like focus on Chicago making Chicago, and then sort of build yourself from there. You know, why what are the need? How do how did it actually ended up working like sort of why focusing guiding not worrying about the big things things? First of all I making money, and like a lot of my friends who came straight year. They struggle hard on my fuck that and also taught me to be like, I became a self promoter. Like, I didn't even mess promoters. No, more as point Chicago. All I got every dime at my show, every at the door, everything, you know, I spend my own money reinvested money back into me. I just think it was smart by doing that. Because it just made me stronger. So about time I got here. I started showcase and doing all the just last. I would just ready and that's the run up on. I think about it. The last eight years really is it's been like, I just been ready. Yeah. I I let Akagi my training ground. I got really as good as I can't confident as I can't and his came out of here in New York and here like I. What's up? What does it mean to you to be Chicago comedian a lot just because you know, Bernie likely Bernie MAC Francis. I just to be a part of that group to me is. You know, it is a little communities which Kaga who had a show. Like, if feels great Bernie crazy Eddie Murphy, as what I wanted do stand up to looked up to as years, you know, as years go, you know, you start like either becoming a huge like Ellen Degeneres fan and Bernie MAC fan. Just because there's always some. Comedy. Just so honest and personal to me, and I learned shit. So Bernie, Bernie, my new brands Barney's daughter, and I'm glad friendship have so random to you. I went to. So today what Bernie is memorial? I I don't know how got it. 'cause it was like VIP can ask looking some. I don't know how did it. But I like a good Seton. But I remember being there and just watching all those people love on might that. And then like went out so Random House the black expo. I was hosting some like the only man, and they Bernie's wife and Jenista daughter. They just speaking about him. And it was right after that. And I just felt connected to Bernie. And I don't know I kept having these moments. Why I didn't mean I heard talking one day like on Twitter some and then we DM each other, and we became friends. She started coming to my shows the jokes. Those comic loaded clip I worked in they put a mural of burning. What all of us this weird. I was painted in club Bernie there and the first time. I was dead. The first time Isao Saudi, right? And she wrote this beautiful note today on the wall and just watching her. I mean, she broke the fuck down because she was a daddy's girl, but it was it's just always feel can. And then it was stuff happening to me that I would call your knees. And she by my dad went through that too. This is what he did. And so weird that she became a huge part of some of the moves are made based on Bernie went through this. I just feel I wanna play them. I if they ever do Bernie MAC something off fuck that you've ever because what you know, we still cared at the. Yes, I wanna embody that. Yo we're talking about rail, and that, you know, like, it's a funny multi camera sitcom, but then, you know, you'll do things about your Kogyo that are honest to you all have, you know, the episode where they're the gangs in the laundry room that sort of builds like you confronting them in a very honest way or or even the way to depict the political. Office. Why was that important to? That's Sharak rack speech. I had to do, you know, what's funny about that saying to it was written? But then. Fuck that. I felt I told Vic Vic Mensa play the game member told Vic eulogised go, bro. Whatever we go with this. And it was that was real speech. I've always wanted to think represented a lot of people how we think. Yeah. I we tired of that bullshit. You know what I'm saying? So, but I also want to show which is why like at the end, I he died. He's killed just how quick that shit is if if that's the life you chose. Yeah. There's a lot of times. I saw somebody out like like forty five minutes later, my call. He just got killed for real. That's how quick dish. If that's your if you're living that life. You know what I'm saying? I wanted I wanted just to show that to young people to because I it's we I trying. I think as some point I'm doing it on the sitcom, but I think and I told somebody say all like, Chicago creatives less stop having people who are not from Chicago make these fucking movies and shows as bullshit. So we need to do that on our own mainly that lien away talked about this before like, it's a movie out there. Like, I hate that shot right movie. Yeah. There's no, no. There's Spike Lee and love a lot of his work. But he should've never made fucking movie. I watched that she and I get mad. I was like what the fuck is piece of shit. Of a movie. Could you can't joke about this shit like the the real truth with this shit? They don't don't do. It got him at patch and shit fuck aware. Say around. God Lee torture. Be strapped beats shit. I'll give you all fucking Bank codes. For something slightly different. You've mentioned Larry David as it influence, but got a little date. 'cause you know, it's funny curb your enthusiasm that care to remind me of me like I'm like petty like that I don't know how to let let shit go. Like, larry. I love Kirby things. Yeah. I think that's just. It's just it was brilliant. And then like to just blow us my Jay smooth. That's like my big, brother. They're not just it just may sense. What if what it shows that even think I was going to like you? I don't watch seinfield Tillerson indicated. Got up. My man fuck out think about it was television felt segregate you look if you watching fucking living single or what have you can't watch. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So but they're not to sign via fucking. So. Decker. All the. I was mad at myself. I wanna fuck I even watching this. So the first time I interviewed was right after get out came out. And you're saying you're thing about flying anywhere. And then flying right back. I imagine you've flown since. Yes, how the how does the TSA reacted and almost two years since how are they still, you know, Sony? I do I do Jake get special treatment. I say that they are really nice to me. Meanwhile, they always look out shit. I get a lot of thank you for making us look normal 'cause people hate it. But then when you think about planning TSA agent, I thought about like, Dan like they are charged and making sure we don't. Irritate us come up like this date. She's doing his job. You know, what you gotta be annoying today. Especially like, you know, look I studied she's a little bit like people don't how to take the shoes flew before taking. Yeah. 'cause I managed to them. Everyone else is so annoying. And we think it's like imagine every teach people to take their belt off. It's so weird. I mean, you got some of them people like if you talk some TSA the extra person at the job, I would be too much. But yeah, it's it's a it's funny. How nice they are now thing. All right. Now that you're creating your own projects looking back at get out. What do you think you learned about what you wanted from the things that you create? I learned a lot from Jordan as far as like. You know, make sure everything you won't is executed. So that made you gotta be a writer's room. You gotta be you gotta make all these decisions. I think that's what Jordan as such a masterpiece. 'cause it was it was exactly what he wanted to do. I think if if he would have other people like if somebody else would have directed that. I don't know we would have got the same thing. Which is why doing it? But man, I do he does I got some brilliant, France, man. I really do. They just stayed his fucking dope. Man. I like from Gerard like that just so focusing good can sit in a room and just rights shit and create. I've gotta learn to do that. I may derive even though he's younger than me like fucking house, mardi sometimes like mother fucker Demi, right? 'cause it's it's you know, he's that I had to learn to really, you know rail if you want it this way, you can't be mad at motherfuckers. You you write it. Yeah. You know, you do there. And I had to learn it, and you know, that was a huge lesson to 'cause, you know, your delegates ship, but it's like if you feel like fucking, you write it, you kind of hope that it will work, and then you. You learned to an I've got so much better to ride it. I just got good right in France. Man. I look forward to even start writing these films to and producing more to I don't always want to be affirmed a camera this shit. It's just too much. Okay. What's up? This chiller any. We're talking about for you you like work made by people who like the medium at the John where that they're making. I love I love because that's what may get out work. Jordan Peele is a horrifying. He's a real fan of John or Anne's a fan of comedy. Which is why he was able to create a character like map of the movie, and it was a silly. Yeah. You know, the comedy him just being like man, get the fuck out of there. All he was was the audience. Yeah. How many movies you have to begin man? I don't think you go. Aubrey tell them what the fuck it is gonna end at twenty minutes. Yeah. But yeah, I just thought that was brilliant. And I I think especially with me, I'm a sitcom fan, which is why you know, every episode of rail so far has little pieces of some of my favorite shows pizzas of Martin. So I used to be doing different cares. What I love about Martin well about living color care to work. And then like, I look at the open code open of my pilot is basically Frazier's Kodo. Yeah. Here's was to radio audience mass to customer service agent it 'cause I wanted to easy way to tell us. What's all this shit too? This one compiler, let's get it over this. So yeah, it's Larry Davis. Little slight loose staying seinfield type share their you know. So it's you know, it's little elements. I am a TV nerve, man. And I remember Carmichael show. Loretta Devine was like why are you so comfortable? I I heard just comfortable you done this before. I was like, no, I just watch the, and I I'm watching to the point where I knew the timing of waiting for the lab and then come back. It's. Watches study this not even for laughter. That's interested should tire news way to deadly can't turn you back on a camera. I'm a nerd of this business. So that's out. What is now? It's terrible. So. Two now. So that's on me the time for the laughing around, but it's like lightning around. But because it's comedy. It's a you know after. Okay. Yeah. I think it makes sense. Is there joke that you wish you could like steel essentially like not that? I know would no it's like sort of it'd be in your act forever. Like you like crying for good bunny, man? Eddie Murphy auntie falling down the stairs. God damn, man. Oh. You know, what a good job when you don't have to see a motherfucker, you could just hear it. And I when I tell you I don't care how many seen that bit. It makes me laugh so hard. It's just Eddie Murphy's foot in grades. She would come back shit. Pay thousands of see that do I already still like hysterical light? Yeah. People say he's still like the funniest mother could be it'd be a room for the comics eighty still funny than everybody. And I ended up the main thing that you hear that he watches every special watch audit. She oughta movies. The day I want I don't wanna like need them like professionals. I just want to sit down with this. The only bug out there. Eddie murphy. The only person voted meet that he met yet. I don't Chris rock. Chris rock probably had the blue at the watch relevant. Call me the blue day off. She didn't like it is. A rare Chris rat. Fuck it, I hung up. Because I thought it was Jemaine Jimmy Fallon be playing around. Fucking with me. Okay. Man angle. If me like oh shit. I get my number gave it to me. At a true story. And we just talked about like he broke down my special and have it on speakerphone could be real. I was taking so. Chris. You do about the birth Brady. Oh shit. You burn Bernie. And that's what he said that you sound like you just got it energy. Not like damn, I didn't know what the fuck. I know he knows. It was like movie get out coming out pretty good. Oh, that's nice. But I mean, he ended up becoming ACA call Chris, my friend. Yeah. So that that's the only one I mean, you should pay out with everybody. But anybody Murphy had a good cop sites to eighty. I wanted to talk to Eddie Murphy. K by Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy. House or Addy? If you're you're listening to later redoubt to me and his kids came to the type. That. Dead. Eight mile. Your. Did you? Got a big house. You gotta. I was asked to ask about the origins of your catchphrase, which is she'd does. Yeah. Okay sauce started doing it to impress my kids. Let me tell you what the sprout channel got this little weird as bird shit. And it's only say she just be burning it up. And I just thought that was so funny, and I was so. The same book bird. But he doubles. And I started laughing man, I started using it. That was in my hat. It was going on. She yada yada, yada. Do you have any jokes like outs? Yeah. Baby jokes like that. And this is I got this at camp bouse night twelve. Audi would've tell it. It's all right. Is this kid named Johnny? Fuck our is. It was a funny. The teacher was like. Okay to go. I remember the old joke because I told her twelve like this. I remember that being the funniest shit. I've ever heard bucket. You brilliant, keen to comedy, Johnny. Fuck our fan through the kid, Johnny. Fuck. Our and the teacher was going through the list of all Williams. You know Jackson. Fuck our they'll fuck our here that man, we don't even get a cookie break. Cookie. What's the hardest show you've ever done hard to show stand up show? Yeah. Shit. It's been a couple of be man. It was a spot in Atlanta uptown comedy club. Lou Lou Duval used to host what they came to Bouma. The fuck of life for real. It was weird. It was taping too. TI tonight with him, and it was packing his crazy. But that was so fucking I got through shit. I never got set like Switzer heart is happy. I got through it and I didn't do shit. And and if you did good it came out with a mirror shit and wiped you down. Ghetto crazy shit. But it was. As a person I cargo where are you right now with Connie emotionally physically. I'm this thing about to first of all I don't know where we start listening to people that don't make no fucking. I don't in my life. You don't if you talk. Crazy. I let myself get mad at you. Fuck what you talking about the team? I think just Kiei personally to be honest, which goes back to even my situation. My mom. I don't think he ever got over his mom's keep mourn for real there'd be fucking honest with you, and I could see that shit because I've been through that ship before. And I was able to get counseling or whatever he talked to nobody about this shit. And you know, it's tough because when you famously and something like that. And I know why she passed you can't tell me that you could see the painting. That's why I keep reaching. He got mad at Jay z because as you got us show frame. Hey, Joe fucking daddy. And then he stopped talking to people that was really around for real. We all know. Is to the point. I hereby. Oh, no. You know? And I think he shouldn't talk talk talk to your music. That's the only way you're gonna explain yourself. Top two song don't say shit regular. This top top to the meal. 'cause he don't know the bucket. You just say the fucking says choice what the fuck of. The fuck of. Our gateway was going with it. But he doesn't know how to say shit. You just talk songs and so hard to a huge fan and this this. Oh, funny. You ask because think about two days, actually, 'cause I don't wanna listen to fucking music. No more just to. Fuck you Bertelli, like, you're not you hurting more than you help shut the fuck up because he got a good heart. You know, what I mean, even trust Donald Trump? Now, I don't feel I use them you Jeff figuring out. Can you do an impression of yourself? Can I do an impression of myself? Yeah. Impress yourself. But she, but he. Well row. Advocate vaulted. That's it for another upset of good one. You can find a lot of like the one. We played episode of blow row stand up on YouTube and rent his special relevant on Amazon YouTube forever. You stream find episodes of his FOX said come rail on who follow row on Twitter at little Ralph four good one bruised my mic comedy doesn't eat. Right. Did. Our theme song writer view Joan apple podcasts by star sleep. And, hey, if you know anyone who might like the podcast, maybe album, what the hell. What the have give me comments questions or lacking around suggestions podcasts at g mail dot com. I'm David FOX ending foamy at Jesse David back next week with a new episode. New job have a good one. That was a hit podcast.
Sean "X-Pac" Waltman Pt. 1 | SAS CLASSIC
"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You PODCASTS Steve. Allison show is brought to you. Free today about our fringe bet online. Get into mixed bit online dot ag and use the Promo Code. Podcast one for your fifty percent. Welcome bonus bet online your online sportsbook experts and exclusive partner of podcast. One Sports. That's right that's part of the music. When I come back open up a can of audio will pass with my Buddy Sean Waldron. People might know him his ex back and I've been talking to his Catt on the phone but last few days trying. The lineup is interview and finally heavy. Moaners show we've been telling so many damn stories. I'd finally toast. Acs WE GOT A. He's got Namur and start getting this shit on the damn show because all the Dashon how are you man? I'm great especially since fine. We doing this thing right. You're Florida right here. I'm in Florida right now. But how did you end up in Florida because a couple years back? I live in Marina del Rey area and with the World Jim right down a corner of Lincoln and Washington. So you is here but you from Minnesota native down in Florida Hi. There was in Mexico for years. And you know I lived in Minneapolis when you first met me that night. The whole story in of itself. Hey Man I met you back in. It was about what was ninety three now. It was like ninety ninety one. You were I just came in and WCW. Then you've been there for men but You guys are working. The Roy Wilkins Auditorium. Which was the building next to the Saint Paul Civic Center and Flying Bryan and our traveling together that night and Raven and Raven. And at the time you were driving a Shit Brown nineteen ninety-three Chevrolet Right. Yeah Yeah ragged you. Unmercifully on that damn car. I still about that to this day man. That was a season's worth a material and of course. Brian was on fire to whatever happened. That son of a bitch. Oh you know what happened to. I had my baby not soon after that but I you know I started out really young my kids and subbing my son everywhere and he was in the front seat car seat thing and it was a wintertime and I was going through an intersection. Some oh man just blew the red bright t-bone the hell out of them destroyed that thing. I didn't have a license at the time. I don't know how ended up. Not Getting cited but it was old man's fault and it was just I accident and ever and he's like eighty something years old dude. How were you when you had your first kid? Nineteen it was around the time I I started showing up on the global. Tv KNOW ESPN there. Right after you up there. So are you planning on Union wife? We all married at the time. Did you say hey? This is a great time to have a kid. Let's do it. That's the crazy part about. It is like She doing nails in in the hood. Hell what the fuck. Let's start a family right. And I'm I'm a independent wrestler in scantiest and smallest one industry in general. So let's go ahead and start a family wall. Were you thinking man? I don't know how often I was with the crazy woman. Well and you know you were were you off the rails in. Were you semi crazy as well? Man I my Shit Together Steve. Like my shit together back then. I was on top of everything man I was on a mission and I knew what I was going to do and I did. You know I mean okay. Stop right there stop there. You knew what you were going to do and so you did it. So then you were trained by what boar's rich Milenko Masami Sore Anaka. So then when did you fall in love with pro wrestling? When did you know that that's what you were going to do? The first day I ever ever went to alive of that was Bayfront Center. It was dusty Rhodes versus ric flair time when like midnight rider was involved. Oh Shit not to midnight rider. Yeah that's good stuff. I knew it right then in there. That's what I was GONNA do. I was ten years old and from that moment on I did every single thing to learn about the business. Set The ring up from the time. I was ten years old Gordon Nelson and I was the biggest past. You can never get rid of what took well. How'd you get hold them? Link goes to train you dislike fell asleep. Bless her heart. I I very a ton She talked teams. Great Milenko and training me and you know He. Just he just used me as a tackling dummy. You know the rain the whole time so I got to learn a hundred times more than everybody else. That was going to camp. You know so. But those millennials. They were known for a lot of wrestling holes and stuff. How was your scientific background because man when I remember you back in the day I mean you is doing a lot high slot high-flying stuff and not so much really technical mat wrestling. Well if you look at my stuff from Global Yeah. I did a lot of work. A Lotta submissions in WCW. I would do a lot of submissions and depending on who I work with. I would always a few little bits of Matt working their chain restaurant. But I see I don't like to do a lot of chain wrestling because then get the reactions back. Then you could be back then you could. You could do the chain Wrassling these days. Not so much because the product is spent so much fast forward. It's hard to do but it was enjoyable to do back in the day and because you could get away with it and that's hard for me to say yeah and you can still do it today if you do it in little spurts in my opinion. And he gives somebody a payoff. Okay so you're kinda currently still in the ring I mean you. You still go shots right. Yeah much every weekend. Here's the question. Are you a professional wrestler? Are You sports entertainer? I'm fessing wrestler at the moment. What's the difference? Wow I guess this goes. I'm able to say it and get away with it but you call in you Shit Narang you you know. It's you know you might have a fish bone of the plan but I mean you know you're you're living at doing that. I gotta I gotta be honest with the like. That's a tough question. Actually I think the popular answer would be to say. I'm a professional wrestler but I guess honestly I'm just a sports entertainer right now. Maybe that's because I think that's what the people want to see from me. You know I appreciate all the the wrestling that's going on you know On the car from all these young hungry guys but Like the people want to do certain things and they're really not interested in seeing me do about it. You know a lot else. I kind of was in a similar situation back in the day when the Stone Cold Steve Austin character started turning the volume up and getting over and I was working to series of matches with triple h and they you know I was trying to go out there and give them a match and give them twenty minutes worth to give them their money's worth but to your point. All they want to see me do was heal my way out of stuff. Flip him off bouncing around a bit and hit him with a stunner. I can see what you're talking about so with that being said what is your move set today. If you're working in India shot what kind of time are you putting in on an average entering basis twelve to fifteen and you can get all your stuff and your trademarks dove in twelve to fifteen minutes. Absolutely absolutely I shine a bit in the beginning and I get cut off right away. I'm one of those guys skied. I like to fight from underneath the whole match right. You know. That's how I like to do it. 'cause that's what worked for me against the big guys working permits you know. There's a lot smaller guys that do great stuff with each other. And then they get in the ring with the guy that's three hundred pounds and they're screwed right right. I I always liked when you thought from underneath as well and and it makes sense just because of the size difference. If you anything that makes sense I come up with my own way shooting guys into the ropes. Because I didn't believe in a guy my size shooting a three hundred pounder into the ropes. I'd always have him fire media. Go through a clue a runny nose duck it and that stopped short in the middle. He keep going and hit the road. That's how I get him at the roads so then I went to High Hyphen Kit. Coming off or something so then. What is your technique? Or what is your secret? Could if you talking to young cat on scene or his younger folks that are listening to show. What is your key as a smaller cat? We're going to get some bigger cat your secret to not die during the sale. Yeah Well it's just. It's just what you said. Don't die during the cell. You know you you gotta keep fighting back You know and it it. There is no rest right. There is no rest when you sell it and that's not rest time. You're working your ass off when you're selling you are and it's It's funny a Lotta guys will miss out on this. When you're selling around I mean if you fired up just once twice three and that guy shuts down sell off to a corner wherever but you leave yourself open on purpose. Because there's that opening for that he'll to re strike you the thing that undertaker did so well because he was so big he sold on the run because you had to stay on his ass and may may two fifty or anybody else in that size range taker was going to sell on a run because you know it took a lot to hurt him. So won't you got on it motherfucker. You better stay on his ass. Are He's GonNa Start Firing back on and you have to cheap shot him. Cut Him off to stay in that heat mode but he sold on the run and it made sense for his style being the three hundred. Yeah you throw everything at had to bring the kitchen sink with you when you worked with him. And I similar experience when I had the story line what Kane and the heel and he was the baby face. How you think that you know how they were. It was great to work with them. But I told I bring a lunch with me for that question. You tell about working. He'll did you prefer organ. He'll and did you prefer working baby face. There was a time in my career where I really thoroughly enjoyed working. He'll and you WANNA know why it was because the baby faces you rock guys like that stepped up people really resonated with Hogan you know different guys like that and it was just like taking candy from a baby working with the baby faces you know and we. We prided ourselves when I say we. I'm talking about my friends and I. Obviously we piloted ourselves. What's shining up? The baby's ace does not make them look more. He wants to work with you right right right. I was talking to Rick flair several weeks ago and I asked him the biggest thing to being a heel and he said be unselfish and it made so much sense to me so you know so many guys want to go on and hog up imagine. It's all about them but you know in that he'll mode to your point you've gotTa make that guy if you don't make it don't Shit Yup and Rick Flair. He'll beat a jobber with a split on the ropes or pulling the tight anyway. Wait I'll of your years in a ring What was the best advice anybody ever gave you as it pertained to work inside the ring or to the Business General Well you know and it's it's when you hear a lot but nobody really listens to it until almost sometimes it's too late like when you think you're going to slow slowdown. That's one of them. Got A lot of them have to do it. Step outside the ring like lady around the business round. The boys thing like Stop Stop. Explain that will never bring your girl to the business Mr Perfect he had that down. Pat Gray was a saint and he never brought her around any of that crap. You know some guys did and marriage because of it and it was tough because of said you know you might be squeaky clean. But all of a sudden your wife comes to the bill and then sees all the everybody else's everybody else's stuff what they're doing lots gals floating around and all of a sudden his leg Four one one on what the Fox going on see my wife's yard. He knew what was what was going on. You know the rest of the hijinks. She didn't want to know what I was doing to be one hundred percent which so when you got into the You're in a business. Were you in a business before after you met your first wife. Oh before the businesses I love I mean period before I had a girlfriend that was in the wrestling business smart and representatives. You started getting in. She was actually. She tried to be in it for a short time so she had somewhat of an idea. So she's doing nails in the hood you're breaking in your own indie. Seeing in the scene is never a place for me. I started off in. Us W. A. and then stayed there for year and a half went to wwe and then on and then on but so the back in the day and us. W I would make either fifteen or twenty dollars a match sometimes to forty and then a year and a half later. I got one hundred dollars a night but anyway fifteen to twenty dollars for me. What kind of coin were you making when you first broke into business? Oh I wasn't making anything. I was just happy to be shows. I know my my my My goal was to get over right. You know and then once I got over you know I started getting paid a you know. I was hoping Milenko promote his show. So I experienced in promoting and you know I knew the the business from the ground up. I knew every job there was okay. Now let's go back to you and your wife. She's doing nails in the hood. You ain't making got damn thing and Y'all decide is a great time to have a kid right. Yeah and but everything worked out. Yeah it was it was. It was incredible how everything worked out and You know don't was tough times. Where but you know I mean I was on top of things I you know. It seemed like when I hit thirty is when when I hit my I had my like you know I cracked. I couldn't handle the pressure from from the whites and and all the bull-crap that came along with the marriage talking about Oh he knew what the business was about. You're on the road got to catch to work on. She'd gotten heavy on the using alcohol and drug and I was pretty healthy then when it came to that so You know it was just a constant battle like you know trying to keep her from from being screwed up while I was gone. You know taking care of my kids. Okay now you you ended up signing with Debbie WWF and nineteen ninety-three so this is pre ninety three correct. No no no. This was like after that now that he told Early on it was after we got money and you know in fairmount with a couple of things that she took it and ran and I kept it under control so you came into WWF. One one-two-three kid. Were you still squeaky clean then. Yeah yeah the biggest thing you get to drink but I never ever touched a pain pill or any kind of pill like that. Let me ask you a question because I never really knew a big drinker and I hung with the drinking crowd as long as you and I have known each other. We've crossed hasn't been on the same buses and stuff like that but I was kind of Lone Wolf mcquade. Y'All was run is click. I didn't really know you as a big drinker now but like I still put them down when I was curt. Hennig he was Kinda my mentor. When I came to work for minutes you can learn anything and everything about the business by curt henning that somebody was smart beyond his years exactly and I learned so much from him and he was so he was so generous with the knowledge as he was. Whereas if you talk to Scott he'll tell you himself. He was stingy with the knowledge because they were stingy with the knowledge Giving it to him. You know my thing was Scott would get hot at me for like giving pointers away to turn guys. That'd be like hey they're not worth telling they're not gonNA understand what I'm saying in the first place. What are we used to call him back in the day? Trade Secrets Trade Secret. Like you know. Tried to keep their trade secrets to themselves. Well how man was such a competitive industry. You know I mean I mean I understand it but my philosophy was if good enough to take my Scott. Come take it. Yeah Yeah Yeah who. Who taught you when you're when you're going up? You're coming in through the end e senior. You're setting up the Ring Milenko. You're learning about the promotion because you're helping them to promote How did that help you later on in your career? No one some of the backbone that you knew that a lot of other kids didn't know just because they started in only wrestling. Well it's just that it always made me valuable even when I even if I was hurt you know like And and wherever I went on the smaller you know level I was like needed when you know everything like all that stuff like you've kind of I mean nobody's really need. We're all expendable. But they thought like they need me you know and I I was thought like you know in the small. Ponds around indies. How long did you feel like it? Took you to get a solid grasp on ring psychology. Wow that's a good question because when I was a big fish I thought I had thought it had a lot of figure it out when I came to work for events. I worked guys like Terry Taylor. Mike Rotondo Rick Martel guys. They lend me. They taught me a lot and And they weren't selfish. They really were out there to make me look good and and. I listened to him to matter of fact the one time I was over a little Overzealous martell about wanting to do wanting to get my shit in and he actually you know he actually cut a promo brought to me. I'm trying to everybody and put me in my place ninety S so I really. I realized when I got there I didn't know shit right and it took probably a good year and a half two years of being there and moving up the card working with guys like Scott Brat guys like that Sean and I was listening to your show. Cavs and what he was saying about traveling down the road talking business. That's all one hundred percent true. I mean that's all we did was talk about how we could pick the business up. It's ask because it was on task bigger. We had to do it by working our ass off the ring. There's no shortage of action. Going on at our exclusive partner. 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Because you just want to run through your move set so you know give them your highlights but if if there's not high in the match of the there's not a reason to match for them to happen you don't always get your shit in but it's a green son of a bitch. Like pack was back in the day when he says in regards to Rick Martel. He always wanted to get his shit in. Hey Martell Wiley smart. Hell of a worker. That he was said you know kid time to get all your shit in and you had to understand what he meant. Yeah and he let me know and I understood and I adjust it accordingly. Hey Man I was talking to you. The other day and Your Dad Your Dad in Florida right now you in a good space. We were talking catching up the other day and I said Dude how you doing and you opened up a you opened up. Pandora's box on that one bad you said you were in a good space now but you had had some health problems a few months ago a couple of years back just in passing you said well you know. Torma hassle right and when you said that I was like yet. I'm thinking to myself. Well I should ask him how he tours astle but yeah maybe I should not ask him. How tors asshole man. He doesn't WanNa tell me how he tours. Aso May was a bad accident on a porn. Shoot I don't know I had asked Dude. How did you tell your ass? You know this cat jerry land. You know he's always been kind of a kind of an unsung hero. Workhorse type Wrestler and he and I kind of you know. We made a name for ourselves on independence and we were married to each other. You know all around the horn. Yeah and we were on the global stuff from the sport or Taurean together. Marker good good chemistry great combination with Youtube honoring. Yeah Yeah for sure. And it was his retirement match and so I wanted to go out there and give them a great sendoff so I missed the Bronco Buster in the ring. The bottom turned buckles. Expose for anybody doesn't know what the Bronco Buster is guys land in the corner but this shoulder blades on the bottom turnbuckle and basically I run across the ring and I land my balls in the guy's face and start jumping up and down and But you know when I was a he'll the people I turned baby. So that's kind of part of my thing that I still do. That's part of my formula. I still do but people want to see so before you continue the story it does help to say. Hey Man. Here's why hit you with the Bronco Buster. You don't say hey I'm a position turnbuckle you're gonNA be sitting on your ass. I'm GONNA run across ring and put my balls in your mouth right state. Bronco but they know a little bit easier to be receiving into that so anyway there you are you and Jay Lin ring. He's in the corner. You come across running and what happens. it was actually another guy. 'cause we were in like a four way Tornado Matt. Oh Jeez Tornado match. He moves out of the way I come in way to horizontally instead about a forty five degree angle and turnbuckle. Rip My asshole. So what happens when your asshole hit the turnbuckle. Did you say man? Something's wrong well. Something similar happens like a couple of years prior to that thirteen stitches so my my ass back together but this time it actually tore through to my Amos so when I hit you can see If you look at the footage at done like a huge deal but you can see me immediately. Grabbed my ass ago. I told my asshole again and as soon as I said that the guy that moved out of the way just while chair right in the back. Thanks LE- SOME THAT LISA. Kind of shifted focus of pain in your anus to your back. Yeah I went through a table after that. There was twelve more to that match. But you kept working to match with a heinous heinous and anus. Absolutely you know it's good for business taking your as you described to me. I didn't WanNA screw the matchup. It's Jerry's retirement so Later on I could start to feel the warmth trip down my leg and immediately. I wrapped him like I started the bleed out my bathroom and my hotel like a murder scene. An era I started to pass out that loss of blood. Yeah that's when I called nine one one and they had to have an emergency surgeon. Come in and give me. What's called a spinster? Plastic ever been done before and I was real close to having to be colostomy bag I live in. Beverly Hills lot of plastic surgery done. But I've never heard of a splinter plastic one one of these Hollywood starlets have in their step. A little bit so and and when you're talking to the nine one one guy and you say I'm bleeding from my anus and it's until the nine one guy he's probably I would imagine. Think some kind of gay thing but I know but my point is like if I was to put a severe gash in my leg from chainsaw. A tournament around. My upper leg is kind of hard to put a tourniquet around your anus. And that that's the thing wouldn't stop bleeding. And so what did you do? I mean it is. It is it. Okay just stick a large object up there to kind of shut the flow of blood now. I'm not sure exactly what they did. Because I'm face down in the hospital you know. And I'm on suboxone at the time while I'm still on suboxone which is a maintenance program for those people that get addicted to painkillers And it's worked great for me but you can't take pain pills while you're on suboxone or make you sick right and So I ended switch over to regular pain meds again which was kind of tricky. You know so. Go around three months like I was in diapers for a couple of months. So you know to go to the bathroom got those open. Fresh wounds down there. That can become a huge problem. That's the only time you would really actually encourage yourself to have diarrhea. Where you're instructed to take a stool stool softeners every day. Like a motherfucker. I gotTa Torres. Oh Shit a brick you'd have you'd been calling on. I was in. Don't don't get me wrong. I was eating those painkillers when they when they prescribed them to me. It almost severed my sciatic nerve to man. I tell you what I'm having. I'm joking with us but obviously has a serious thing the injury it was just so crazy when you told me it's totally off. Guard. How did they have like a pain? Pill did have like a pain pill suppository you could use or something like that or maybe some light. Cain you can rub on your ass before you can. Yeah I can but I don't like ask play or anything like that. Anyways you know like a lot of things being messed with down around there. Yeah my my whole Gimmick has s exit only to each. But yeah so so. Here's the thing moving forward in your wrestling career. You Still GonNa continued that Bronco Buster you damn right by. That's part of the price of admission but not like if they don't play my music like I'm not going out onto the creeper thing that's half of my act. Yeah maybe not maybe to not an exposed turnbuckle. Let's be safe here. Shown sure well no as long as the guy don't move and I landed on him. I'm fine what about creating Maybe like an pad. Yeah maybe if you used a maybe it was like an Athletic Cup reversed around your ass. Sure Shit my pants when I'm hey man so you he started off in the business and then you you pretty much teetotaler straight up and then you started getting a little bit alcohol. How what was your trail into the pills? The bullshit stuff stuffed the boys end up doing well. You know honestly I was. I was so young I wanted to be accepted so bad that I just did whatever and I was a follower. I can admit that you know I mean. A lot of people. Don't want to admit their faults or whatever that they might have been a certain way in the past and I'm not afraid to me my deep character so like you know. I mean it was easy for me to discuss okay. I'll take it you know. And I was driving with Kerr you know. And I don't blame Kerr Lot. People tried to blame him for my. You know corruption and it's nobody's fault but your own. I agree he did way more for me than ever did to affect me negatively but I remember I was riding on road. I've told this story before. Was someone in our name break out of prescription bottle of Egan's is hey man. You WanNa Vikings and I said What Viking said what the fuck is? It was a pain pill and said well. What's IT GONNA do for us and it would kind of give you a buzz so anyway? That was my first introduction to a Vegan. I never heard of the sound bitches. I heard of EXCEDRIN ASPIRIN and bullshit. Like Back Edna. But I do not know nothing else I mean so it's of like you know I was in the same boat as you and you can't just start going on down at trail. The trail leads to superhighway of all kinds of different horse. Shit and a lot of guys men have left us too soon by going off the rails absolutely and you know that that could have just as easily been me as much as anybody else but tell me honestly you know an for a while. They're out in La. I got real bad on crystal meth Steve. Cmih at the time. But I I was okay because you know it took a while for that stuff to really get a hold of me but I remember you own. Crystal Meth You know when I first come out to La in two thousand and two. But when I saw you out there for the longest yards I haven't been doing it like that was pretty healthy at the time. Also I wouldn't have shown my hey. Let me ask you something on the crystal Meth. Because that's something I've never seen in person. Do you smoke do you SNORT IT D- shoot. It wasn't a fuck. Do you do with it all the above all the. What were you doing with it? I'm not proud of it but I gotta be honest. You know I did just an extreme Is it like a cup of Coffee Times? Three hundred or what is it? Have you ever taken a fast and or anything like that way back in the day? Yeah it's like that times about a thousand and so how long does that last forever? Man Do you heart start beating so fast that you freak out. Yeah I had a match with. Aj Styles when when TNA. I started up and the whole time. You know it was like main event or some last and the whole time. Aj is trying to get with me. And he's he was a lot greener at the time. You know this is two thousand and two and I'm in. I'm in the damn bathroom stall shooting up mess. Oh Jeez and he can't even talk about his match me and I just let him through the match the by experience and even dove onto him on the floor and call you know audible the fly and we had a great match but I forgot the finish was so like we. An open ended match like we never got to finish off and I apologize to. Aj for that to this day because that was highly unprofessional. Well Dude I mean that's the kind of stuff the crystal man that's the stuff that Fox your teeth. It makes your skin all fucked up right. Yeah so how did you get off of it? You know I had. Hunter came out and helped me first. Nash came out to try to get me and I ended up going back with Joanie again. And like he couldn't find me then. Hundred came out and just snatch me away and brought me Atlanta and this is before the wellness policy. He put it the bill himself. Man That's free and then said hey you know what you know? I'll I'll I'll pay half because he's my friend too so I I can. You'll never hear me say a bad word about this. I won't either. I mean I love again We'd our you know our good times or bad times. I mean yeah I got another about respect and love for that Guy. Okay but but so with that being said bringing those members of the people that you were hanging out with this shift gears for a second the bond between yourself Shawn michaels triple h Scott Hall and Kevin. Nash was very strong. What was it that drew you catch together so well so much because when you guys were thickest thieves and we're just click break unit. We were consciously tired to bury anybody. No and I don't mean that but I mean there was a bond in a brotherhood between you guys which was very thick more time with your friends than you do. Your own family. You're bound have a special bond. You know I mean you know. That's like Steve I mean and we'd have. We had the same for the business. We were real like minded so like we understood each other and like when we got the ring with each other. You know magic you know. I mean we loved working with each other. I mean we loved working with too but it was just it. That's just the way it was we. We decided that we were going to stick together And nobody was gonNA come between us and that's what we did and and it worked. Hey Man could you think back in the day if you guys would have had an audio recorder or even a video camera to just record or document some of those road trips of the conversations that were had an automobile or in a hotel room just sitting around shooting the Shit Talkin and book in the business like we used to do back in the Day Ryan? You imagine how much that would be worth. I mean that would just 'cause that's what some of the best conversations talk about you know. Book and territory talking about different guys different angles how to get more heat how to get so and so over it would be. It would be a great thing to go back and listen to. Oh yeah and I mean and yeah like I unfortunately Steve A lot of it is kinda sketchy you know because we were. We were always like an abbreviated and whatnot. Hundred would have a better recollection of a lot of those a lot of that stuff. You know because he was he was always clear headed and how he how he was able to put up with US half the time. I have no idea. God bless him for he was straight gone out of the group right. Oh Yeah Yeah I mean. I could tell you like that he. He drank a few shots. Jack with us once that I can remember you know he might have done one or two other things that weren't you weren't big deal but Like that guy's got no vices. No yes no vice. In and that's pretty much documented throughout the history of his career like we would be. I was allowance Lizard back in a day. You know I want to go out. I would just work and then I would hit the ground and start drinking so I was that guy but in every now and then when he floated into that circle a guys he would have one beer or whatever and just to have boys but everybody knew that he did not drink and respected that and never any peer pressure. Say Come on come on come on because he had laid it down. That's who he was and he stayed that way and use it to. He would tell me after he came to my Came to my aid you know when I was doing really bad. And he said look he goes kid. Like I wish I could relate to the things you're going through but my childhood was good. My parents raised me great. You know I didn't have a childhood trauma you know none of that. So I think your upbringing as Hugh. Nicol a huge difference in how you end up and And you know so. I mean that's what I think. That's that explains a lot so then coming up in your childhood. Did you have a rough childhood? He did I mean I was sexually abused as a child. more than once I don't I don't go. I don't who about it I deal with that. I deal with fine That kind of messed me up. You know as far as like being able to have relationships and whatnot and kind of you know It Ms Ms Yup. You know it's you know I don't want to go up and the you know negative territory tough and I was unsupervised. I did whatever the Hell I want it. From the time I was about five years old you know so no and my mom was a single parent you know. I'm not gonNA blame her for everything you know. I was I was. I was a hard kid to raise. What you what was the last grade of education. Did you graduate my school eighth? Grade Eighth Grade. Yep You didn't go to high school. I went to high school. I just never completed a great once. I went how me Dan time I would show up for. School was for for the wrestling room. You know and they wouldn't let me rest on. The team got my hair and finally I quit quit. School in general and started wrestling pro started training wrestling pro when I was fifteen. So but then you're still in touch with your mom still living with a right then and she didn't know I go home and I went to Tampa and still asleep. God Dan Severin's manager for UFC manage a lot a lot of 'em as fighters later on and did you never went to high school. Pretty much now. Did you ever think about going to trade school learning any kind of trade carbon new welding? Now now I had my plan was was what it was and I had no. There was no failure That wasn't an option. And I'm I'm a person. Steve that believes that you can create your own reality right. You can visualize and create your own reality. And that's what I didn't work for me. You know screw things up on my own. No you know the plan would continue to work. Spoke Steve can show kosher my friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home today so much more than it was yesterday but a rocket mortgage hope is still all about you during these challenging times top priority at rocket mortgage is a health and safety of the communities. They serve if you need mortgage assistance. Their team is available. 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Across you wherever they listen a Mexican wrestling or Lucci Lieber is a little bit different than American style You have your rules. Which are your bad guys? Are you heals your technical which is a your baby faces. Are you guys dude? I I've been in the business since eighty nine. I still don't really technically get the psychology of Lucia Labour style. Rustling break. Have Steve. Okay so what does it. You just have a move sent or some high spots you get you get in. And then but I brought my psychology with me. And I didn't I didn't do this. Shit I did my own shit. They got enough guys doing that. Shit down there but they were. Who would you get in? Yeah so how did? How was the communication process? Because before I I went to work for events My first Company Foreign Japan was a small company but they brought over all the legends for Mexico. Those cars meal Mass Chris. You'll del Santo know son of the legends. So we're not finally moved there like I at least had already established relationships with those guys with my boy down there so And he was you know one of the Heff as Kinda run into right so you know a lot of guys like the fact that I was there because they felt like I was taking a job. That's the question I wanted to ask you. How were you received a threat and so animosity in addressing room he A little bit but most of the guys up the series established guys that were legend and had a lot of respect were friends. And I'm I get along with everybody you know and And so everybody was cool to me at least in my face. Yeah but check it out. You're laid back cat and yeah you've always got along with everybody but when you go over there and a lot of those guys most of them do not speak English. So how the communication process when you guys are trying to put this thing together to go out. You could do your move. Set your psychology incorporated in match. And they're going through. They're getting their shit and as we said earlier. How did that happen? Well they got their shit and according to how how I laid the match out. 'cause I was he'll just would you know? Have somebody translate. Hey me this. Trust me on this one and they'd come back and they think I was a magician or something because they couldn't understand I could get those people come unglued using real psychology now when you were in Mexico you know psychology so and always understood why when I was talking to DP when Jake was down there. Jake of course you know. Jake did his stuff and he used his psychology and it got over but that was a smart thing about it and you gotTA AP Psychology. Yeah Yeah there's a couple of guys down there that no but they're real stingy because it's real competitive down there still like like everybody's out for themselves and their they would rather like get their shit and and have shitty match then worry about making the other guy look good and the other guy reciprocating and having you know having a good one hey man speaking specifically about Mexico. What kind of pain as were you making over there? Well I was making. I like about six hundred seven hundred a a show but I was guaranteed. Several shows a week pretty good man. In the second time I was there I was guaranteed eight hundred dollars a night which is a fortune down there. Those guys are down there. That's what pissed me off. The most was the way that they exploited their talent down there. I'm used to work in. Prevents McMahon who treats guys great and he takes pride and doing so and then I go down there and they're treating me like you know like circus animal and I'm taking fourteen hour bus ride again which I thought I wouldn't do since I was nineteen in Japan and Working in Shit Holes. What rings holes? And I'm and that's how I tore my knee out. I've been working for years one. Hey so what's the loop over there? Where were you based out of Mexico? City? And. What was the travel schedule? Mexico City They would be the main like once a week. We would do MONTEREY LIKE OAXACA DOWN South Lay on Different towns around the area but we were always based out of Mexico City. Bus Ranch correct because of the driving or snow a lot of times. They were flights because when we go up Up North which is like kind of towards the border. We have to fly up there like we do the wave all the radio. Yup and we'd have to fly in there because that right way too long. So how would how was You know the the boys the Mexican boys treated out in public. I mean guys. Still wearing their hoods and stuff their masks to my other listeners would they? You know travel without their masks in mask. And how was the public reception? Our treatment of these guys does guys. We're their masks everywhere. I mean when a guy would pass away being church. Be Wearing their masks at the funeral. Ju- everywhere. Like some guys will be wearing it in the shower you know like like no massacres and you know guys like that like I remember one time. EAT HOTEL. Santorum legend in Japan and other parts of the world. They take their masks seriously. They do and He was working for coming in and doing the shots events when they had that Super Australia's like thing. That Vicki known as was doing and Brian Christopher went and Sandoz bag got his mass. Put It on and came and ate his lunch in the cafeteria on a big deal. Do that's a flat out. Insult damn straight what happened. What happened at Rehab? He didn't do a Goddamn things. Steve he was a smaller guy and he was in the land of giants and he knew to keep his mouth shut bad believable. Hey it out. You're done at home. You know but yeah yeah yeah crazy guy. So you're down there but it's not for years salad you're coming and going correct now. I rip down there so four years in Mexico. Mail you you pick up the language. Did you become Bilingual Espanyol? Know How much Probably you know good enough to have a conversation and not good enough to cut a promo on TV though or or live in ring. Because I tried it once and failed. Miserably Marina Hey so four years in Mexico where were you living in Mexico City but in in a hotel and the and the hotel that all the boys lived in called the hotel fornos which was basically a hotel that hookers John. Two and A had. You know the Porno Channel on on the dial and some rooms had bill Jacuzzi but they didn't have air conditioning. And it was just you know and I had a leash down there that my girl at the time and her four year old son Phoenix. Who made every town with us? Every bus ride every plane. He went everywhere. What this decade as many miles as we did. So how's the food situation down there? You were pretty bad man. I got I got all. Sit Down there and mooring eating fan of going to the doctor and I almost that almost kill me too man. Because I my stool was coming out. Dark whack means you're bleeding you know and also one of the promoters was a doctor instead of a drug cartel guy and he told me you need to be taking this medication or you're GonNa die simple as that took it and I was fine man. I'M GONNA be honest with you. It was those over the counter. Soames down there that had a ton of anti inflammatory mixed with it. What is it with the boys in Sambas? I don't know man. It's just anything to get a buzz. I guess when did you get off those things got? Here's to my fans at don't know what a Selma is. It's a muscle relaxer. Usually generally the coming three hundred hundred milligrams strength gas used to buy by the truckload over in Mexico or doctors who prescribed them for some reason. The boys just loved to take them. Many of our friends have died. Because of you know these things but the boys were just love the Damn Selma's and you know try to get too high and when you try to get to high bad things ugly took. I wouldn't touch US home with a ten foot pole. I haven't taken US home in twelve years and I wouldn't if stack up in front of me. I just tell you to stick them up your ass. I got nothing to do with them but back in the day they were they were part of the landscape part of the culture. Were they part of the landscape with the Mexican boys? Yeah because certain guys would get And then sell them to the other boys. When I know there would be some. You'll going on You know with some stuff there but just amongst themselves were they using just like you know a lot of the boys here in the states and I'm not using. All of the boys in the states is a blanket statement. Because there's certainly wasn't everybody but you know. I was amongst them as was several other cats. Were they use them theirselves? They were using drugs. In general now They would use so And not a whole lot of pain pills because people think that Oh Mexico. It's wide open. You can get whatever you want. No that's just Tijuana and those frontier border towns that you can get you know whatever you want and pay out the ass were too but uh in Mexico like they were pretty strict on what you can get. You could buy steroids over the counter. Yeah you know those Selma's that were mixed with Anti Inflammatory. Because usually that would prevent most people from abusing them but The big thing down there. St was every buddy did coke when I say everybody. I don't mean everybody. Everybody but like eighty percent of the guys guys who would never even look at it and think would be doing it at their pen cap out and doing the bumps coke before they go into the ring every you know I would have imagined. That's at good. She had to well. Some some nuns. It wasn't so you dependent on who you got it from really where you messing with the blow to every now and again like I would never have it on my own because I knew like if I had my own bag of it I would go. Just run off by myself and do it all to what's gone now this time. Were you doing crystal Meth? No way so down there but let me ask you something a little bit about the Mexican work because these days when I watch like. I said if I'm watching triple or something man. These guys are very technical and they're very mechanically sound more so than their counterparts over here in the United States. Yeah I WOULD. You agree with that. And why are why not? Well they're still picking the case ape down there. Steve and the truth is a lot of the population down there. Now She Lucia Lebron AAA and arena Mexico. Yeah mellow them in the wwe they might have a bit of an overlap in San base but the Lucia. Lebron is a lot more based in their fan. Base is a lot more the people that are that live in poverty because they they price their tickets so like poor people can afford to come you know so they they believe in it still down there like even as phony as looks and my my right. They'll do all that great wrestling. And the no hit each other like a bunch of pussies. Yeah you know maybe a bunch of that. Take those Fuji Bumps but yeah but to your point that people have bought in and they still want to believe in and they didn't no one's really come out of the closet so to speak over like. Hey a lear. We're we're sports entertainment. They're sticking to their guns and that's what they are here when I say that. I'm not shitting noted. Wwe Mickey Works. Movie came out and we played it on the bus. You Win The boldy pissed off guys were when they started watching that movie. Holy Shit what they do they like. What the stock is this? And I'm listening to them in Spanish. You know I mean you think they thought that the business was over but God. Hey let's talk about the rest of the for second before I WANNA come back to Mexico when you sell that movie. What did you think well for the most part like I was like okay? That's one aspect of it and it's really accurate except for I didn't like the scene where they're in Grocery store hitting each other with the goddamn aluminum Pans and Shit. You know we never do that shit and we never did right so that that part was bogus. Then a little bit of the of the dialogue didn't sit. Well let me as far as being accurate as how we would talk but for the most part like I thought it was well done. Why did you think about Mickey Rox Jab did a great job What did you think about the entering action that he did? I don't know man I mean I guess he did pretty good for you know what I think he did when I think what what happened was he did okay. But they shot at very close very tight so it didn't have to be anything that was crisp to perfection. It was passable because it was shot so close serum Costa in reaction was if the backdrop of the move anyway right. It was about the wrestler. Yeah part of the movie when they Kinda went they cross the line a little bit to me and to the world of of Being a total mark when when Mickey or what was his name in the movie yeah Randy. The Ram was driving down the highway and his piece of Shit van and we all had our pieces yet. Cars you eighty-three chevette piece of Shit Honda. But when he had his action figure on his Dash. I was like dude. You know in the business. That's one of the things that you don't do. Yeah back in the day when when I was around at least you know. You're you're you're you're like begging for somebody to go fuck what mark you know and them. Playing the video game need old outdated video game and the other guys go and have it to call of duty. Okay fuck the wrestler decent movie. I didn't when I first saw wrestler theater anymore. I just. I don't like going to wait for it to come on. Dvd like one of my movies and that not go to the theater approach so anyway. I had the flu and I kept hearing about this damn movie Damn Movies. I said well fuck I feel like Shit I might as well go to the movie and see the wrestler so I went during the daytime Matinee Show. There was me and eight other people in the theater and an old couple about seventy years old Spanish guy and a couple other cats one of the couples walked out another person walked out. I stayed through the movie. And when you get the flu and you feel bad you can look at things on a negative side anyway because I feel like shit anyway. The movie's over. I walked to the bathroom. Go to the dam Take a pass and the guys best beside me and I looked at him and I said I you know I'm arrest right. Asked him what he thought doesn't do us it. What did you think he goes? I thought it was all right when he goes. What'd you think sucked because I thought it was supposed to be like what what what a real wrestler goes through but it was specific to rainy the Ram. And we're not when I look back at it just for the sake of what the movie was. I thought it was pretty damn good and I thought Mickey Rourke as far as performances kicked ass. Yeah and it was just one particular aspect of the business it was. It was a story the not so happy. Ending story that that A good many of us ended up with you know because you know I mean. Let's face it Steve like the majority People like in the wrestling industry doesn't end happy. The story hey man. Let's talk about that. It doesn't end. Let's go back to Mexico. Something happened to you in Mexico. You feel like talking about this or not go. Yeah all right dude. We're talking on the phone the other day and you know you said. Hey Man I tried to hang myself and Mexico and I said do what the fuck you talking about breaking is down for me you in Mexico. What an e. Hell possessed you to hang yourself okay. Well I'm trying to commit suicide in more detail okay The whole time. I was there with Alicia my girl the time. I still love her to death but she was having problems with the father of her child. And to the point where the guy actually like A hundred thousand dollar reward out for the kid basically for somebody to kidnap the kid and bring him back to the states on You know facebook and my space and all that and like you know kidnapping huge done in Mexico. It is you know if somebody this guy didn't have the money if somebody would actually kidnapped kid brought him back and he went and got paid. That kid would have been dead. I mean she was real stressed out over overall that and you know that just it creates a lot of friction that that wasn't that normally wouldn't have been there. I was like doing my thing down their smoking weed right. That's how I stayed out of trouble and guys down there like person. They look down on people smoking a joint and they thought it was. Okay if guys did blow which is totally ass backwards to me I agree. I'm not a no smoking myself but yeah I I would lean towards more than notes Logan Locker Room for pot. Smokers and a bunch of guys. Don't cocaine agreed. So what happened so she was like? I don't want you smoking pot anymore. In case you have to get tested and like you know. She knew that came with the. What the package you know. I mean for right or wrong. Like that was my crutch. Yes so that's how I ended up going to the booze. I hate honestly hate the taste. Alcohol you need. I wasn't never known as a big drinker. Well I was drinking. You know a fifth or more a day of Oso Negra which is Mexican mexican-made Vodka if you've ever heard of vodka made Mexico. But she went. Yeah if you're going to stop smoking dope you still need your release. You still need you. Did bus turned to the bottle. Yeah got it. Got The best of me and then I felt like I needed or we're going to be Right be ill anyways so like we get in arguments. And sometimes it would turn physical. She blasts she she let me have it a couple of times usually nothing major but you know it sucks when when things get physical between a man and a woman yes regardless of of who is doing and I've always prided myself Steve Drum my life and being able to say I never hit a woman like I've even said to the point where like I died before I did it so we're in our apartment and I don't know what the fuck and fight was even about to be honest with you Steve now looking back at it. I just remember it turned into her. You know teeing off on me and you know she pretty damn hard for a woman and I wasn't wasn't GonNa hit back and so I think you know that was her intention. She was wanting to wanting to hitter. It seemed like that that was what it felt like. But I wouldn't do it. She took my picture. My kids broken over knee and I just snapped. And I've just I hit the straight right knocked across the room and her son happened to see it. And I just was overcome with guilt and shame Steve Reich like I was like I don't deserve to live. I was totally my. My state of mind was totally irrational because of the alcohol and the volumes and so. I pretty much almost a whole bottle of valium probably about forty values and because there was twenty last about sixty and I went to my. We had a rooftop garden. We had a real nice apartments and nice part of town and I lost billions down some Bacardi and I hate Bacardi worse than any other alcohol which I can't stand so stopped you you washing pills down with vodka with Bacardi and so you're set on right now. Hey I'm gonNA commit suicide but I'm a swallow. These pills I are. Now you'll hear was was my thought process. Okay I wrote. I wrote a suicide note which was barely legible right and I decided okay. I'm GonNa take these pills and wash it down with alcohol before I hang myself just in case I decide to pussy out right. Wow so I thought I would have on my bases covered Steve. So then I take. I find the garden. Hose a tie to the beams on the roof and then that tied around my neck and I hung myself and I don't remember anything else from that point on until I woke up in the hospital in restraints and intimated with the breathing machine down my throat dude. This is a fucked up question but I mean you tie the rope. Around the beams. You tied around your neck do you? Just you know just slump over and the pressure goes on your neck or did you jump off of something I mean what the fuck well I started off up on a chair and I just you know once the pills kicked in. Apparently that's when I fell you. So and and so when when they finally of the restraints like. I got this catheter in my Dick and and I'm like I'm wanting the hell out of you. I've already got like like Scars all over my ankles risk from trying to break the restraints. So I call them down you know and but I want this catheter out in the worst way right and I'm trying to Yank that some bitch out and I'm Yanking as hard as I can a little bit. I know there's a balloon inflated. Keep it from coming out And if I would have ripped any harder I would've stripped my era dude. So finally they let me out of there and I am is completely red Monday. White semi is completely read from other blood vessels bursting so like nobody can even look me in because I look like the devil you know and I mean I kinda knew okay. Something's gotTa give now. I can't just go back to you. Know status quo like as usual like. It's time that something drastic has to happen. Right leash had already called cabin and called an Rousseau and cabin. You know that's like going back to my friends and I being you know. Dick Steve's hunter triple h took of. He goes look. I can't get him this time he said. Can you get him and he was right there man. He was on a plane to Mexico City. Pick me up. He brought me to Houston taxes. Many your clinic and I stayed there for four months and map born was actually there with me and treatment on. It didn't work for him. We're for me right. I stayed there for months. Dead I five Star Chef de and it was very loving and safe environment and And I'll be honest with you. I cried the day I had to leave their it almost crying. Listen to you tell the story. I mean it's so disturbing for me to hear this because so many of the guys have died. You know man I mean and it happened and I and I won't. I'M NOT GONNA run from it. You know so how did the how did the four months stay go? And what was that? Because you're off your rocker that you had the incident. You know the shit hit the fan so you just you decide to do the double whammy makes you do the deed you wake up and they come get you you go down to the the clinic there for four months. How was that process? How did they bring you back to ground zero or is close to Ground Zero as you could get well? The thing is is this place. I'm like a lot of alcohol and Drug Rehab Places. They concentrate on. It's not just a place for drug and alcohol Rehab. It's for any kind of mental disorder. They have an OCD weighing. You know wing for people that you know have eating disorders people that are poly you know Addicted to you know everything. They have people that are cutter everything you can think. Ups So I wasn't just in therapy my with drug addicts. I mean it was all different kinds and we would have group therapies and we would be forced to to really take an honest look at ourselves. You know and it's easy. It's easy to lie to lie to yourself. I mean basically I really really. I really figured out a Lotta Shit. About Myself Steve. And and it was no wonder and the things like I was talking about. You know Being abused as a kid like that wasn't even they come to find out. What the big. The big issue was with me you know. I had some resentment. You know whether they're right right or wrong. I had some resentment from. You know not not having been supervised enough or you know whatever trying to put that. Put that politely. But you're you're now you're in a good year in a good space right now right. What's the what's tomorrow for you? What's two months from now? What's a year from now for you? Where do you want to be Well you know tomorrow. I'm this is going to be a day. I go to the gym. You know I take care of business on on on you know. Stay Internet. I handle my Booking stuff and you know a couple of months from now you know. I'm booked real real far in advance. Do We got you know Scott and Kevin and I have have a UK tour coming up where it's basically just bullshit session QNA and that thing is going to be sold out like everywhere we go and we don't even have to take a bomb. You know that's great. That's got healthy now. 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Marcus "Buff" Bagwell Pt. 1 | SAS CLASSIC
"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You PODCASTS Steve. Show is brought to you free today by our friends bet. Land get into mixed bit online dot. Ag and use the Promo Code. Podcast one for your fifty percent. Welcome bonus bet online your online sportsbook experts and exclusive partner of podcast one sports podcast one dot com production from Hollywood California by way of the broken skull ranch. This is the Steve Austin. Show Gimme a hell. Yeah Yeah. Here's Steve Austin them. I'm sitting here and talking to Marcus. Alexander Bagwell you may know him as buff. Bagwell buff the stuff. Jesus H Christ the popsicle stick. He's been buried with me. I've been working on sound problems with forty five minutes trying to hit the record button on his God. Damned skype machine told buff us at hill. If there can be a problem that will be a problem. He's experienced at what happens when the one man. Cluster fog tries to take over a damn MAC computer. Marcus sorry about all the cousin on a little bit in discombobulated state do all the technical difficulties but nonetheless as good to be talking to your ass. How are you doing dude I am doing? So Great Steve First of all let me say no. Thank you so much and Just to be part of the show and my God I mean people have got no idea. We could talk for days and weeks on end. And there's no way to possibly explain the anybody smart marks fans any sort and possibly explained to them the career we've had with each other so it's just. It's just a lot of fun to be here. Thanks for having me. We're GONNA talk about and dude you know anytime I talk to somebody I do. All my research do due diligence. Do Best I can represent a guy's career but then I started thinking about bringing down our conversation. I said you know what I think. It's going to be just like one of those days at Center Stage Ovarian Savannah Georgia or or BFA. Georgia wherever. And I think we're just GonNa Call Mitch and a ring if you're down with that and that's exactly the way we did it that night. We talked a little bit to catch up and it was such a great deal just touch base a little bit to set this up and you said I will call you. Text me you say call caught in the rain kid and I take you back. I'd give anything just a wrestle. One time with nothing her brother. But let's go ahead and let's go and put this out there that one of the reasons we are talking You just come out with like a documentary or a docu shoot. I think as you've described as skull buff Bagwell the good the bad and the buff is the Mark Bagwell journey and in this kind of this right up that I'm looking at it on my computer screen you know. I didn't know that you were able to capture some forty years of your life growing up as we speak right. Now you're forty five. Was Y'all family one of those families that always recorded stuff because that's a lot of memories. We actually were Steve. My mother was a kind of mother that literally. I mean it was just Christmas morning. The cameras were down there and my brothers were cussing her and their thing and get the cameras out of our face and of course. I'm right in front of every cameras shot. There could be and doing my thing. Having a blast opening presents their bitch and Gripe in and I was lucky enough to come from a very wealthy family and we Christmas gifts and corvettes outside and GPS and stuff. And here we are. My brothers are bitching about my mom taking some photographs. My mother literally take that adding go beyond belief back in the eighties. And I've got a phone. I got photo albums that are that are numbered one through twenty from our childhood pitcher up and then somewhere along the line there. I'll take exactly win in nineteen eighty six. I got really hooked on doing videos of my life. I just thought it was kind of cool so we started doing video cameras and it was kind of the new wave and man. I taped shit that you would not believe on camera and so my mom did it. Were young so we got a lot of things. We were young but yes answer you question. We were one of those families and we just got a lot of footage on tape and there was a lot of fun so going back to your professional wrestling queer. You've never been you you were. The Russell is a stranger back in the day. But you're no stranger to the handsome stranger. I might add So you're no stranger to be kind of hand for the camera. I mean that was something that you kind of gravitated towards because you're always a guy that was very comfortable on camera absolutely when my friends. I heard that Mart. Bagwell is going to be a wrestler. Not One of them didn't answer Omar. God that's perfect. You know so here. Here's the here's the wild as Prima Donna. Were put me in front of the camera and here and all of a sudden. It's my job. Everybody Oh my God. That'd be perfect. So yes she question. It was right in my alley but do about this wealthy upgrade upbringing. Because our starting you know maybe he was middle class. Limited-over y'all noted I mean Jonah Lumber Company. What's the story there? We were loaded Steve. My parents were fortunate enough that they opened a lumber company in the early seventies and We're talking I mean even the numbers would be. We probably made gross a million million dollars a month. would be our grows back in the seventies and eighties and is supported our entire families and our family to the two brothers and the brothers at houses and we were. We were what you would consider deathly rich and MARYETTA. That was you know. Rich is could be and then When the company and not the Ada you know the boys were gonNA work for southeast from building. Supply was named the company. It was a lumber yard and and not deviate. The year I graduated is the year the that we had trouble on. The KONAMI was bad and from that point on the youngest was not didn't have a job and was going to figure out something to do so it went real quick from having a job and all three of us were good to all the sudden. What are we GONNA do now? So did you go from riches to rags where y'all able to salvage anything. Actually what happens? Is You know my mom was such a go getter St. We actually said. Hey you know what? Let's my mom taught my dad into give it one more. Go and my dad was like baby. Doll was just turn the key on. It's over my dad was the brains. My mom was the Braun and and and he was like just turned the key. Be Done with it. And he talked her. She told you back into doing it. One more time and and making a save out of it and it just basically took everything with it to the house under else's paid for under grew up in a half a million dollar home swimming pool in our own weight room and a ten bed before Tannin before he makes even with a tanning bed was we tend to bed at our house so we definitely grew up in that timeframe of craziness that he had things nobody else had like Saunas and steam way before people had that Kinda Shit and their house. So we're GONNA get where you're growing up and we were spoiled rotten privileged but respectful. Describe yourself as a kid growing up. I think what you said. It says it the best. I was extremely spoiled. But Buddy I was extremely thankful in knew what I had and knew that I took care about motorcycle or I got my ass with a new took care of my jeep in change the old in again. My ass whipped. How many remember days Steve that if I didn't create my jeep and let it warm up five minutes my father would come out the back and my ass right there and back this is. This is going old school but there was a there was a cadillac converter. If you're a member of you let it warm up and you hit at one time and the engine would calm down. Well if you didn't do that and go through the full fledged but warming up and hit that gas one time and let the converter calmed down. You Kill my dad out of the back. A He's such a about you. Got Jeep believe it or not he is in Nhra Hall of fame. Let's see yeah. My Dad Steve Bag will is in the Nhra Hall of Famer. Superstock be automatic. I'll be I think I heard you talk about that back in the day. A transfer to you where you're a street racer growing up in high school. My brother did. They were definitely into it. I was a little behind them. I went I loved it. I thought it was fun. I thought was my dad drag race but I didn't have any kind of hot rods or anything like that but they were definitely into that and definitely one of them did take it on and do a little drag racing but you know by then you know. By the time I'd watch. It was time for me. We were almost at the stage of the company. Kinda getting in trouble and it was time to. You know the fun was kind of coming to an end with a with a drag race in the money. We'll do coming up in high school. You're a star baseball player. And we'll we'll position. Did you. Play actually played first. Base actually was all county all state in football and baseball football. Play fullback and quarterback and I was a kid. I weighed about one hundred eighty pounds as a back. Then that was a big kid and eight and so but at the same time also helping atheletes off saw was also in. Competition was the quarterback but we had a hell of a quarterback to its prairie. So we will we did was. I went to school called Spray Berry High School in Cobb County and so what we did was as we just saw. Look be best to get the quarterback that was even with us even with me to let him run the quarterback position and let me play fullback. So I played fullback and then my junior year opening kickoff tore my hamstring. All of my pelvis outlines our junior year due before the injury. We're kind of forty time. Did you possess the best I ever did was about four? Come ON DO UNIT RUN FOUR. Four of now he mind. This is high school and coaches beeping up and all that was a four six. I think a I'm going. I'm going with you on this dude. I read I played high school. Football going sevens pretty damn good too so it is or going for seven four seven two. I mean Goddamn and I just know. My experience has been with the inner ring capable right a four four dude if you was running a floor for every got them college in the United States of America. We've been recruiting your ass. Exactly Nali. You always go to try to build you up and you wait a bug eighty five and they said rustling protocol. Yeah exactly forty. I got to North Texas state and then we run. Our Ford is one avenue they call me over and I said what's wrong and I said what do you mean what's wrong? I said you're running a four non. I said Yeah. Coach is four nine he said. Would you go coach? Said you rent a four seven. I said she'd never had a four seven my life. So that was my. I think I was a classic case of your coach. Bad your stats and over the football. So but after high school obviously no no college football for you well. It was absolutely we played ball to have fun. We were going to work for the company. Southeastern Bills blog was. GonNa be the company we work for no doubt about it and then my senior year. Ironically they went broke. So you know Mark Bagley decision so actually more Bagwell's believe it or not became a massage therapist. Tell me about that because you know looking into this. You know I want to talk about your amateur boxing career and then I'll talk to massage therapists could well. How did you pull that one off? Let's go massage. I go back to box. Massage was was only open up. Was this was this whole predating gigolo career which. We'll talk about it a minute. We'll get that. This was a straight up. Shoot you know. Total think they even tried to clean it up from the word you know masseuse to the word massage therapist and things like that so I mean the Atlanta school massage. Where I win. It was ten thousand dollars to go. Small father had enough money to get each son into something that he would like to try well. My oldest brother wanted gym so he bought him a gym brand new. And my second brother wanted drywall company. He opened up a drywall company. I'm eighteen years old. I don't know what the Hell I want to do. So I go out and said I want something to do with sports but I mean you know. Maybe he's gone. Open sports training from this or something you know so I went to to the massage therapy and they completely one thousand percent backfired on me. Women would walk in and see me and go hail no way. This motherfucker is going to massage. No so it totally went against me. I thought my looks would go for me. I cared about my diet would work for me. It totally win against me one hundred percent. I would have never cooked figured you would've failed massage therapist because looks you eight months of school with a college prep anatomy physiology course that I had to fucking legit passed. I didn't WanNa pass you know and I had to pass it. They go to graduate. This course brother and I did so because I was really full bore owner trying to make something out of my life and it totally backfired my face and that completely literally directly transpired into meeting Missy Hyatt be hold. That thought here because Dude. I had no knowledge when you're not working together back in the days of WCW centerstage great memories and all the fun we had. But I I didn't know you were an amateur boxer out with when I was younger my parents I was. I loved all kinds of sports and we had a friend of ours that we're friends with. It was a boxing coach and the company. The company of the coach that he had was called. East cobb boxing and so I got into it and actually became very good at it. Because I was the youngest of three boys I was a tough kid and You know so you know I tried it out a really liked it. Most kids come out. You know the one lefts and rights like like scared to death. I was sitting there. Jab Jab Hook Hook. I end up in very good end up winning the the Golden Glove State Championship in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Well in ninety three. They went from wait to age and the difference was excuse me. I'm sorry other way around. They went from age to age. And what happened was when it was wait. I could fight pound per pound right. When they went age I was small for my age. Saw started getting my brains beat out but before that I was sixty and one hand. Newspaper Articles Golden Gloves State Championship. Boxer won the whole thing and and was going to take a year off and come back with my size and took a year off with the football and baseball. Or what was your best punch I to be honest me. I was so young. I don't know what my best punch was. I really just believe from my brothers. Being you know being a younger brother around two older brothers I just knew how to coordinate a Jab Jab Hook and a Jab Jab in a right Jab jab in a right you know and I just believe I fought as a going out and doing what two little kids do. Just throw their lives and writes. You'll back if more back and forth and I actually stood back. Inbox them and actually just just just one. You know because I was a better boxer you again that got into a bunch of street fights because I never knew you as you like all the boys and address from talked about the quote unquote tough Gash. Those guys are pretty universal but I never heard of us again. That had to settle a scrap or beef with his hands and without any exaggeration. I can remember this almost identical. You're gone about this stage but I remember knocking a Gal and there's about ten. There's about ten wrestlers. You can call right now to confirm this that I knocked a guy out and you'll know the club. Because you've been there and Jacksonville. Florida was called maxes and we went to the Holiday Inn and maxes in Jacksonville Florida and I knocked a guy out there colva wedge one night and as soon as I hit him with one. The guy looked at me he said. Hey if you feel froggy job. He didn't get jump out of his mouth. I knock him out with one punch and the nasty boys county now for real like the ten count from that point on people to me different like you know what this book in. Bagwell kid ain't no little punk kid. His mother this motherfucker may fight you. The Prima donnas stage to the you know this motherfucker give you black. We're part these days we're sharing more and GYCO would just like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing your savage dance Moose. Thanks for sharing your DIY. Haircut fails thanks sharing your inner lip sync star now. It's GEICO's turned to share to with the GEICO. Give back a fifteen percent credit card and motorcycle policies current new customers and because GEICO's committed for the long haul the fifteen percent credit last year full policy term visit GEICO DOT com slash give back for Info and eligibility wheels. It's interesting the way your skill set well with regards to punches translated or transferred to pro wrestling because Marc Mero who came from a boxing. Background his punches. And I I but I don't mean this and with disrespect Martin Marietta I mean. They were so technical and so quick that they were hard to sell. And you couldn't see them from row one hundred and but but that's because he stopped to that boxer style so I'm not running him down. I'm just saying you were able to translate a transfer or you're able to come with that swinging door right and left to which are not trained to do and boxing and because those boxing punches when they're technically efficient don't translate to our world you were able to get transferred shoot jab a shoot right hook do not look good working jab and a working right look look much better and I think the reason. Why for that? Steve is because I was so young when I was doing it and when Marc Mero did it he was much older going out the Olympic team and stuff would be my answer to that. He was older and have been doing it a lot longer at a much higher scale so as much harder for him to learn that work it was ingrained in him. But that's that's what it was but reason they don't work and like I said I'm not I'm not. I'M NOT KNOCKING TO GAB descending. Those things are so quick as you know. It's it's hard to see a bunch like that like the Quick Hook. That Tyson had shawn. Michaels was back and Wrestlemainia. Fourteen in Boston. I mean it happens so fast. It's like forget about it but anyway. So do you know what possessed you to jump up? And just say. Hey Man I'm going to be a pro wrestler. What happened was is I went from. Masan went from boxing to I went to my parents in high school. And all that football baseball to my parents who broke and then after my parents went broke Our the massage therapy thing massage therapy thing. I'm at the pool one day at where we live and I see this blonde hair with big boobs across the pool and I had no idea what they were talking about. You know or anything else and all the sudden I get back to my room my apartment. The won't the girl is moving in right right across the hall from me. And I'm like that's Kinda Weird. I don't think nothing about it all. I kind kinda strange you so sure enough that night. Knock at the door My wife was home at the time. I first wife. She's a home with me. We open the door and missy comes in and tells the truth she says hey. Can you guys got sure she comes inside? She says listen. I saw your. I'm sorry your husband at the pool and I was like. Oh my God move me in wherever he lives and so you know I have any idea who's married or anything like moving into wherever that Guy Right. There lives. Well the agent in either. So you know. She told him herself which made her cool when she was like. Do you guys know me. I miss he high and we did the same old story. You've ever ten thousand times and that was well we. We watched Ralston his kids but we don't watch wrestling anymore. The same old thing. We've always heard I actually fucking said and she said well. I'm busy high as a baby. I said those people. Those guys don't make no damn money and she goes are always big. I mean it's about one hundred thousand a year and I said excuse me and so yeah yellow. So my first wife she was like. Hey you know God margie. You can do anything or an athlete. You can do this so I went out. And A guy named Steve. The brawler lawler train me and I went down and doing school and I came home and my wife was oxide and I walked in. She's all excited and she was to go. I said I ain't going back what happened. It was it was. It was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. I was beat up. I didn't this is back in the stage in the age of guys didn't smart nobody up and and I got my brains beat out and I didn't understand I didn't get it not took. Here's an atheletes didn't know what was going on and and I was like what in the hell well told me about it and you know she kind of smart me up a little bit and then I went down and watch Kevin and then working a little bit and they me up a little bit and finally long story short I you know I some reason I went back and not get going back to hot dogs and five dollars payoffs and you know from their handsome change. Your happened and global and from there. Wcw happened so and that's when you're not cross pass because I remember you Seen you on television as a handsome Stranger Dude Guy. He was wearing a mask What was what the mask and it said. That was bill idea of all things while the toughest guys in wrestling. Bill Eighty thought of the handsome stranger. And you know me here. I am nineteen years old. I said Yes sir. No Sir so I was told. That was my gimmick and I didn't really like it wasn't something I wanted to do. But of course you know everybody else's like why would we cover up the face of the best looking guy we got? I mean what are we doing here you know. So what the hell are we doing? So but you know. I didn't question that at all but bill eighty came up with it and from there. You know we really thought we were going to be the next big company and and I didn't even know what a big company was back. Then this is me hearing the other guys tall. I'm just learning and I'm nineteen years old and then you know it takes deep pockets as we know to make it work and there was lightning. Kid was there and Haas Eighty Gilbert and you know the Ebony Express which is Harlem Heat and the Patriot was there and you know there was a lot of a lot of talent was there but it just didn't it just didn't quite pan out and about that. Time is when Magnum called me up and give me a meeting with dusty and they signed me to just to go to school five hundred dollars a week thing turn into a contract for life. Arca check it out now miss you said okay. Lowest paid on our Rosh was making about one hundred gs you go on the global. I'm guessing you're making five dollars a match and so seventy five seventy five undercut you there. Obviously it's not the big money you a singer knew it was gonNA make at nineteen years of age of very impressionable guy. What were your thoughts on on the business? Back in the days when he finally smartened you up you make seventy five match which is actually pretty good money for back in that day for someone just learning but what was your what was your mindset in that locker room because you got a bunch of bad ascherson because there were some other veteran still in that locker room as well. Absolute phenomenal question. Let me tell you what saved my life was saved my life with that. Steve was missy Hyatt. She told me from jump. She said you are not to give a shit about what you're getting paid your to shake every hand you see you ought to be the Mar- Bagwell you are to me. Which is nice and polite to everybody and you are to do what you're supposed to do as you kind of explain the business how it works and being nice which fit up my alley. Because I was a nice guy genuinely anyway. Because she explained it to me how it works. And and here comes pre Madonna Komen chicken. And everybody's hands and everybody's warn the eight but they could. Because I was doing everything right and I was shaking the hands and thank everybody and sit in the right seat and keep my mouth shut and doing what I was supposed to do. Because thank God missy Hyatt told me so to answer your question what I was thinking was exactly what Ms Ya got me ready for. Which was you're not here to make money right now. You are here to learn. So don't worry about the money. Don't worry about it if it had been the money. And all that Steve. I never I would never made it. I would have thought this is ridiculous. It's not going to pan out of going into something else but listen to what missy had to say and I stuck to it in what she had to say is exactly how doubt you know a good thing that she first of all notice took you under her wing and Smart. Yo put a lot of valuable for one one because she'd been around business for quite some time and she was around. You know the the upper end brains and she was a veteran and mend dude. People don't understand you know when she was done at midsouth. Uw POWER WHATEVER YOU WANNA call it. The loaded Gucci Bag. The feud dark journey. I mean she she was over and you'll hanging out with the bill. Watts I mean the young lady. She's about my age but I've always been a MRI fan But she was pretty damn smart with regards to the business everything she told me. Steve always put her over in every interview and in her book everything she told me is exactly the reason why. I had a good career in this business and that was because I listen to what she told me. It was the right information it would have been the wrong information. I was screwed. It was lucky enough that somebody was telling me the right of her mation knew they were talking about. It was the right information and it was told to the right person. There was going to deliver it the right way and I did so. And it came out great and before we shipped to your Before shift here. Wwe's going back to global. How many days a week were you guys running? If you making seventy five a match. What are you bringing in a week? Are you only surviving on wrestling? Money or Josh Saddens absolutely not I was. I was at the place called a lemon peel. Talk to him about this driven. There's this place called the lemon peel. All Buford highway in Atlanta and it was only place you could go back in the day. It was all place you could go for girls that go to their bachelorette parties. It was the only one and So we had one. It was called the lemon peel. And you could get up. You get an from eighteen up but you couldn't drink but you can get information and up and You know the the twenty one could drink. But I couldn't but it was slammed because it was the only place to go for. These girls have bachelorette parties so we are probably made you know three to five to seven hundred extra dollars a week during that and now went directly from that to the handsome stranger and from the handsome stranger. You know when ww family tell me about the tail thing again because the world of professional wrestling with respect to everything that goes on the roads is enough and and there's one thing now sudden here overworking delimited field as a stripper. I mean women go or so. How did that balance out do because you go from one thing which is you know? There's a lot of women out there and you go to another thing a lot of women out there. I mean obviously Kinda Kinda was very smooth. Steve believe it or not. It was it kind of feel the void and all the boys knew I was trying to make it interesting and I remember sitting in the locker room and watching me on. Espn as the handsome stranger. And all the guys are like you know you're GonNa make him and you're GonNa make and I'm like well. I hope you know I don't know so it really was Some that really helped me out and of course you how wives can be my first wife was like you know you gotta get a job. What the Hell's going on this damn wrestler? Shit ain't bringing no money and I don't get it you know and I got baby. Just give me a year I can make it and of course once I've made it then it was like I knew you had it in your the beds. I gotTa Strip no more. You know she was dripping to so to make an income. We both were stripping and just get an income to get me into pro wrestling. Do what happened to your first marriage because I remember meeting it. I Wa way back in the day and I can't remember probably had been around ninety two ninety three slow. We got divorced in ninety four. So you're right on the money. We were married from ninety to ninety four. Still great friends with her She's still a great girl and all that is just it just came down to. We had no idea I was getting into wrestling. And the last thing she wanted was to have a relationship with somebody traveled those kind of hours and days on the road and just wasn't ready for that. But what really happened was as me being twenty years. Old Steve's I cheated on her and at at twenty years old when I cheated on her. I told her I was honest and told her the truth. I did the The honest route and it did nothing to completely backfire on me and I tried my best to make it right and they came down to one day I looked at it and I said baby I said I'm why issue question I sound will give you two minutes cancer. This question which let's timmy real close. But she said no problem. And I said it's been about a year and ain't no cell phone back then and I go I said so it's been about a year offset you to against Jamaica where your sinister said Trying to make up for it. I feel like I paid my time if you came. Forgive me in the next two minutes. I'm GONNA go outside. I'm getting the corvette. I'm old crank it up and I'm GonNa go to the first lawyer I got. I'm getting a divorce and believe it or not. She took about a minute fifty. I swear to God she. She really took her time. I was proud of her. And at a minute fifty. She said I can't forgive you. I put my shoes on our crank. The car I we ain't got divorced and it was over what that's interesting. Yeah I really tried to make it work. I paid my dues. I told the truth I call her every I got dogged up all the boys by stopping every payphone and really try to do the right thing and she just told us a baby. It ain't greener on the other side. You got to hang in there and to this day. She's single wishes she would have listened to me and God bless her. She didn't and now she's still single mom and a great a great a great girl but by herself and she's got a beautiful daughter but she's a single mom and a business can be tough relationships. Hey but you you handle the front you the best you cut. And then honestly and she didn't WanNa man on the road and she couldn't forgive you so respect to her for that but Hey I'm gonNA take a quick break here with Marcus Buckingham Bagwell. This is about to heat up. We're going twenty five hundred. Rpm We'll go his six hours before this conversation is over we won't get some trials and tribulations at mark went through and his journey wangle chronicle everything. It didn't a business but we don't talks by some of the highlights that you will see on the documentary buff stuff. What's it called? 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I cannot remember the first time we met. I just remember liking you and having a good time. Just don't use one of the funniest guys I've ever met a guy that tells a hell of a story so some of the stores that mark and I will tell you on the podcast when he comes out with this doc you shoot This documented is coming out with you know I would encourage you to buy the thing just just to watch the sum bitch tell the damn stories because hearing him is one thing being able to see him while his tell them as a whole different ballgame so anyway back to you mark you roll into dentistry. W where did we I made I really I bonded met was me and one night. We did that. There was a was a sip of alcohol. Nothing done all night long. We sit there talking all night to the sun came up and all the sudden I told him. A story about Me Having an altercation with my father my father. And He's before I knew it. He started calling wrestler was at the Admiral Bimbo or Ben. Bow Jack in Jacksonville Florida. And he's calling down wrestlers and the first one he called. I remember was Dallas Page and so I had to tell. That story added till at about ten times. I can tell you that was the first time I saw you look at me with a little bit of like you know what I like this kid and that was the first time I felt like we truly met. And so but that was the time told the story and you know and when I told everybody just knew by the way I told you couldn't make this damn story up and it was just too good to be made up and it was just like. Are You shitting? May you shot your father. And what that point on everybody's like. I'm not sure I'd take this kid. Here's his pretty boy. There's been in jail more than all of us. And now he's shot his book and father. So what the Hell is going on? Now you gotta come to store on Docu shooter. What Oh dude. I go in detail and my old man actually talks about it in the documentary and he does his spiel and the good thing about my documentary. Steve it's it is really we go into the depths of Hail but with my documentary. It comes out with a great ending. I mean you know I survived. I made it. I'm still in shape. I still feel good You know I survived. You know where I shouldn't have dodged the drugs and I didn't dodge them but I survived them and conquered them in. The long run ended up being sober. Having my live totally turned around. And the documentary ends up. You know a great positive ending instead of ending. You're you know W- slash your wrists so we're going to leave the shooting. Your Dad's story office Podcast but it isn't a documentary. So you gotta check this discourages fuck and so but let me ask you something now as we speak the documentary going to come out in what one to two days. there's no heat between your new dead absolutely not whereas. Todd we've ever been and that's well talking about how weird it is on the depths and craziness my you know my life went into and then me and my father or as todd is you ever ever could imagine you know but we actually started talking a little bit before we did this with you today and started thinking about what we could talk about. You know to kind of cut loose a little bit and it's something that make you a little uncomfortable. But it's the JIM rawls part of the story of the doctor. You're not GonNa make me uncomfortable law because I read it. There are some heat between you guys what had happened. Well there's row warned to cut loose and be myself. I was able to do so and and be able to tell a good full story about the documentary and not you know leave people guests and one of them and this is one of those ones. I wanted to get out there and really hear him. Hear my voice and film all heart with this and because this is one of the biggest ones of all that I feel the most you know really really hurt from and just between me and you Steve. I am one hundred percent convinced whether I'm right or wrong that Jim rawls ruined my career and how that came down. Unfortunately there's only three witnesses Jim God and me but I was sitting home one day and what had happened was we were down at wrestling school at. Wwe WWF at the time. And we're learning the ring ropes and all that twenty put ring and all that stuff and we got. I got an argument with Shane. Helms and I ended up slapping and actress slapping and turn around and walk off. He his me with an ice bottle that was frozen. That opened up my head. Twenty stitches deep and they all the wrestlers. Keep IN MIND. At that stage there were twelve. Wcw guys hired and at the twelve being hired. You know everybody back then through you know thought for sure but I got a job. He's got a job word is trying to make. He's got a job now. I hope and wish but that's how everybody else looked at it. Well here. Here's Shane Helms. Holding the RAG on my head crying telling me sorry and the wrestlers convinced me with cell phones out that to lie and say that. I fail and I say guys. Y'All know there's no way this is going to stay hidden and there's no way well. I do the resurrect me and I said I fell to. I'll never forget it is to Finley fit Finlay and and Lauren items and I said I said we fail. I feel symptom. Hit My here and they knew I was lying. But they didn't know insead it so he didn't know what had happened and so I just went ahead with it and you know I flew straight home got my I didn't ask for. Wwe WWF. I didn't ask them to fix my head or go to their doctor. I did my own money my own insurance to keep the heat down everything and all the sudden came back to. It was too to Rawl bobbling Monday and I showed up after being told everything. I was told Shane Hymns crying. And everything. I see Shane. Helms and the hardy boys coming at me and I said a low tool and none of them weighed none unsaid. Hello and as soon as I saw that our straight to and I brother. Here's the deal and I told him the whole story. I said here's what happened. Here's what's going on. Well he got all twelve guys together. Made us all apologized. Shake hands because at this stage. He's trying to have a job right now. He's got twelve guys. He's got to get over to you. Know WWF so we all show cans and did the whole thing and everything together and So we go out and have the match and from there you know. We just really thought that you know everything was going to be okay. And then you know once. The match happened With everything Jim rawls after the match happened you know there was a bad match. We kind of stumbled each other. We didn't have a good match me in Booker's had ten thousand barn burners. We actually had a bad match and that night. Believe it or not. Wwf took the blame. They said you know what it's our fault. Pat Does the main events and we thought he was going to talk to you. Guys and Johnny Laura Nine. Has You guys so we thought he was going to talk to you? Nobody talked to you guys. Y'All did the best you could. Don't worry about it. Let it go the next week. Was Atlanta Georgia so on Friday? Jim Rawls God in me or on the phone and Ross says hey buddy. There's won't you know if you take the weekend off which was a gust and Birmingham and then Atlanta that Dome? And he said take the weekend all that your head here. We got big plans for yet Phillips Reno money in Atlanta so I was like thank you so much Jim I really appreciate it. We'll the story got out and it stuck like glue that my mother had called to give me out of those shows. Now why the hell would I cancel two shows after already working with stitches in my head? I had two drives when I'm trying to fit in to the WWF. Two weeks being there. I'm kissing as I'm walking on eggshells. I'm shaking hands. I'm kissing babies. I'm trying to get in WWF and do it right and so somehow or another though the mother story to this day sticks like glue and so we go out and do the whole deal. I show up get to the building and they fire me. I'd even know there either. Raise my hand when they give me in the room. I raised my hand. And Ben's goes you don't gotta raise your hand more. I said we'LL US UP Philip. Do I'll go a sounds like you're firing me and and viscose. Oh No we're not firing you. He said we're we're we're releasing you and I and I raised my hand again and he goes mark. Said you ain't got raise your hand. I've said but was the difference in firing and raising and releasing and he said and the son of a bitch had an answer. He said WELL IF WE FIRE YOU. We got to renew your contract. He said every release you we can bring you back in three months and no problems and you just start backup with us and so at that stage. I knew they were Polish it but also new to start smiling shaking hands and just leave and I did so I started shaking hands kissing babies and realize it was just best to you know get out of there and I got my car ball and crime and I called up my parents they were in the stands and I said you know it's town it's time for you guys to come on home and like what do you mean. I go. I'm on it's over. I'm not a melon anymore building there. So y'all come onto so so you maintaining in that Jim. Ross set you up did your mother. Everyone knows phone calls. -lutely not mother never made those phone calls and even I even went the route like anybody else would either went the rat. Okay let's go the route that my mom slipped up and made the phone calls now. Let's go this route. Why would you do the invasion of booker t and buff? Bagwell INTO WASHINGTON. When the next week you'RE IN PHILIPS ARENA? Why wouldn't you just wait a week and put buff bagwell versus booker t at the Philips Arena in Ted Turner's backyard? So to me it all made sense. We knew even up in Tacoma while we wrestling when next week's Atlanta but to me it all kind of made sense but I you know. Let's be truthful to each other. Did my mom make the calls? Cushy have absolutely do I think she did absolutely not but I really believe with all my heart that the Jim rose really really really took his time out and even took time on the roundtable with all the legends and took his time out to bury me. And say that you know I showed up at these shows and I don't know where that hatred come from for him to want to take that much time out to really and I'm talking about you know Jim was. He loved football players athletes. We talk every week when he was A. Wcw Duty Barrier to the higher ups. And I don't know I really don't know what happened. I just know that and I did what they told me to do. They sit in three months. Call us back and I waited about two weeks past the three months and so it wasn't right at three months and when I when I call Jim Rawls he literally answer the phone with a deep breath and has gone I would genome. I'm just calling back because you told me too. I says and he and he said they call me bubby went. Yeah mark is Jim. I'm just calling you back because you guys told me to call you. In three months. I waited two weeks longer than that. And I'm just calling you back. He said Mark will call you. If we need you can read. That's all drawn was. Yeah brother let's go back to that match that happen you send to come to Washington. I went back and watch it last night on Youtube and it wasn't so fact that that the match was a bad match. Was it a great match? No it was. It was mechanically was what it was. It was a hostile environment. They that was a wwf crowd and all of a sudden they put in WCW guys and Man Booker. T's career look at your. Your career speaks for itself was a hostile crowd again. The match wasn't the greatest but it wasn't the God awful stinker that people have made it out to be and when I say hostile crowd. I'm not running down that audience. I just meant you know it was dude back. Then you were either wwf or your WCW. So you guys were. It was like playing an away game. You guys were having an away game and WWF territory and people didn't give a shit about you guys and that's that was my take on that dude absolutely and think about this if you really play back in watch it. Stacey Tiba was announcer booth out of the building. Shame that man comes down booed out of the building Arn Anderson and the other announcer comes down gets booed out of the building. And here we come book goes I. He goes on his building. And I swear to God back to back to me thinking something else else's up with it I just believe it with my heart. My music comes on and I swear to God. I was get onto the step to walk out and Shane McMahon steps. In front of me he goes. Oh yeah forgot to tell you. Don't look in the cameras and I said. Have you ever watched one of my matches? That's all I'll the only thing I can do is posed. Look the cameras. That's the next. Watch it back down that aisle and act like the fucking. Tv cameras got the plague. I'm todd away from it on dodging the camera looking away from it. I ain't look in the camera. I'm like Oh my God. I can't look in the camera. So so is totally. I'm getting booed and shit thrown at me. I'm like what the going on. I'm getting booed for the first time you it was brutal do you talk about you. You don't nameless begin. What if foreign territory hostile crowd and then all of a sudden right before you fucking go out? Someone gives you the four one of. Oh yeah by the way. Don't do this. It'd be like someone tell me. Hey Dude don't don't stop anybody. Don't flip anybody off and don't even look like you're cussing because you're you're hamstring and media head me before and especially if you tell me. Shit right before I go out really fucking with my head against A. These are things that people just got to believe but I swear to God as true and I just keep in mind all you gotTa do is watch the match back and it'll be the only imagine you've ever seen me not come down the ramp and talking to the camera. I Literally Am Dodge Net camera every angle. I can get away from it. I'm trying to run from the camera. Like he's got a gun on me. I'm literally trying to dodge like automatic weapon behind it and I'm like what the fuck while they do this to me. You know and the whole time I'm thinking why in the hell when we just do this in you know so to be honest with you were at least smart enough to know back stayed before the match started. Something had to be a little bit up. They knew we didn't for them. That you don't want to throw this together and put this square peg in a round hole in Tacoma Washington. Where all yet? Wait seven fucking days and put a round peg in a round hole in everybody love it. What did you think when you roll into the WWF? Scene BECAUSE DUDE. I mean again. We're coming out the businesses work but the wars were shoot. I mean we were after dollars after hours kicking our ass for a long time. So what the thought did you feel like when you walked in that locker room because again the boys the boys in you know some of them but again as damn near? Shoot Your Scab. Well to be totally. Obviously Steve I'm GonNa totally totally totally honest. I really thought and I think it's because of my age are really thought. I was going to walk in to handshakes in hugging. And what's going on and it didn't take me long. I'm a smart boy but I still thought that that going to be at first but then when it didn't happen I realized I said wait a second. I said I'm there fucking enemy. I'm here to take if I get a job. That's taking one of their jobs away so I found. I found out very quickly while wouldn't getting re taking in but at the same time you know. I WASN'T READY FOR STEVE. I just really wouldn't would just the friends I had an and nobody really talking to me and just I mean I got this one store because it's so great but I swear to God that I was there I went in and got myself lay down. I was in the fucking a locker room and didn't want to be. I end up in a locker. Room is the last place in the world. I WanNa be an ounce sitting there but I ain't about my shit out of there now let us through so I'm thinking I got to ride it out so I'm sitting there and I give them a little hat al and I give them a little shit ready and my little the little dot code. Oh just tons of it. I'm trying to hide the hot stuff because that's an and I can't. I'M GONNA use it no matter what. But I'm trying to hide the heat in the meanwhile and fucking trying to get all that he had and then all of a sudden I get something to drink when I come back. My top hat squished in. And if I had to bet you were one of the three that did it. Oh No want you got to remember. Well for starters understand I say that I fucking love it because listen to the finish the I mean I would say. It was great that you did that because. I thought it was great when it happened. I'm a boy and the business young kid and the business fuck and understands it and that was beautiful so I'll come back. I even Kinda Gig Long. That's fucking great looking great. My has crushed in you know so my little hat. I get it all back up. Just Ri- everything so about thirty minutes later southerner drink I go to get something to drink comeback. My Hat's Christian again and I was like damn. You didn't get mad or anything you don't you know you always told not to sell it not so. I'll come back. I'll fix my little hat again. You know get it all ready and didn't sell her in the background and give them a little hat ready well about thirty minutes later. I I need something else. Drink or something I get up to go. Walk out and hits me so I go back and others cushman fucking swear to God. I do and I'm walking out laughing thinking that. What are these mother fuckers going to do with that I'm laughing? You'll get my drink? I come back and guess what or it was fixed. It was talking thick and it was perfect for even out of it. It was like the Iron. It was a reverse rib on another level than me. I give you my word. I zero to do without here too. Here's the thing. There's no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner. Bet Online DOT AG NASCAR's back and bet online has hundreds of games events and sports still get in on you can bet on simulated NFL NBA and UFC or even participate in a ten thousand dollar man bracket challenge a march madness style. Nfl Simulation Tournament. 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It made you shiny but it brought to the surface of Yousafzai guy and made you look good as fuck but you know when you're working with a guy that had that shit on man if you got in your eyes or got on You. It was called hot stuff. It was hot and So I always hated working with you. Guys were that fucking stuff. 'cause paying me ask would blow. Yup. Oh would it to suck desk because it is you look good on TV but it was a pain and asked to work with during this time. You remember W W outlawed. It can't even remember that they've they said no more. And this is during the time. This was Jenner time. You were there. Because Booker hadn't done his first angle with you. Booker I angle the very first angle. Wcw AND WWF was booker. T came out and three to that table and he missed you. It hurts your elbow. Do you remember that no broke through bronze in my back but how when I watch it back the way I skipped off because I watched the interview of him on off the record with Michael Landes and he was correct. He put me through the table. I mean really. Put me on it because I was so sweaty. I glanced off when I glanced off. I hit the table and bounced onto the chair and the chair was what broke the three bones so it was booker t that instant. Obviously you know. Put the move on me but the way I skipped off the table that was not his fault but at the time I thought it was his fault but it was not. It was skipping across the table like stone on water onto that chair absolutely but if you remember he got the heat for he did get heat for it. But here's what here's the thing When so many times when I try to remember different parts of my career I forget a lot of stuff. Here's here's the thing that I forgot. I forgot I was watching that. Massachu- guys were having and Tacoma the the first match the WWF. On Monday night raw. I didn't even remember that Kurt Angle and I did run and and interrupted the match. Some watching his fucking matchup thinking what the fuck on doing out there and so we beat the shit out a burger tea and walked up the ramp and you joined in so. I don't even remember that happening. Well here's what I don't remember. I've thought until I watched it back. I thought you'd do as both out right away. But the storyline was they WANNA make. We'd be booker. All three of us be booker up the whole way to the back correct. And then when? Y'ALL DO BOOKER OUT. I my little above care like hey we got him. We got mother buggery Al Ride and the yellow each other like. Hey let's throw him out to and they've got a big pop because y'all threw me out to and WCW was out. Wwf was in it made sense and and all that but yeah so yeah I was supposed to be just booker out you know. They wanted to throw that little extra thing in there of. Hey let's let both act like you know he's part of it and then a screw him to throw him out. Also you know so from that point like I said I thought when Jim Ross called me. Which is the next thing that happened. I really thought he minute I thought. Hey here we go. I'm main event on Rawal which I don't know why was and didn't understand why but I was and then I thought well maybe they do guys and better plans for me on night that this next role in Atlanta little. I know those plans where your fire but I didn't know that and like I said back to that stage you fire above bad over one bad match do you. Don't you warning don't you say don't do that don't you? I mean first of all over bad mash on his first night and you give them a fighting chance. I mean anybody can have a bad match. It's especially ten years out. Gave him of good matches and stuff and you give me a warning. Give me A. Hey don't we don't do it. That way here how did he transcended from? Wcw could not have been part of it absolutely. That is absolutely what happen. Steve The heat had transpired. And I couldn't fix it and get ready to you that nobody knows you've never heard it. Nobody knows this. And this is one hundred percent facts so listen close so why we came up with was here. I am buff. Bagwell contracts up in June and I got the exact correctly but let me tell you whenever my contract was. I had a few months left when WWF ball our company. So I came up with the idea I said look I called my age and I said I can sit at home too much and get paid. I said or I can hand Vance a one hundred and twenty or thirty thousand dollars for the two months and act like I'm a team player. Say Vince a hundred twenty grand and say here I am? I'm a team player. And let all that erase the heat the Internet and you raced start over and my agent thought it was the most brilliant thing in the world He said let's do that that's brilliant. That's great so I called events of events. Here's what I WANNA to do. I said I don't want to sit at home. I want to go to work directly. He's a we came. Marco Rubio you that money that I you know what Vance I don't want the money. Let's just cancel the money? I want to show you that is. I'm a team player. So let's just forget the hundred twenty grand. Let's move on. That's my way of showing. I'm a team player and that's my way of wiping anything slate that you've heard. Lyn All the rumors get past that. That's a person's just said. Hey let's do the right thing and I was fired in two weeks. We know I heard that interview on. W when you were talking with a guy at one of the shows and it was about eighty grand at that time but Regardless whatever the money was given the situation now known what you know now what would you have done? Jump on board of pay me out. Then bring me on real odd swear to God Mark Bagwell. Would it still think the best route would be is much heat is I had Steve? The only play I had was to show Vince. I'M A team player. Sade in money and showed him on team player. I would've still done the same thing. I swear. Managed. Talk about heat for just a second because back when you first came in. Ww teamed up with various guys. You know so sometimes the Patriots sometimes. Scotty Riggs. Sometimes Tom Zinc but you formed a tag team. Too Cold Scorpio. Brian Filmon Flying Brian. And I there's a Hollywood. Blondes used to Russell. You guys all over Georgia everywhere. We had a Goddamn blessed and we work with you guys and then so ahlers thought that you guys were really good friends and then all of a sudden I get the scuttlebutt tonight I guess now you guys are mortal enemies words to heat between you and to cold and how to happen you about. Wow Bro on all one day Kevin. Calls me on my manager. Kevin Balloon. He goes brother. Go look at this website. He shows me. This thing were too cold. Scorpio was talking to me like an absolute dog. I mean talking about I was blown away like it. Here's a guy that I spent three or four years with tag team of the year. Two time world tag team champions doing things back then that that was unheard of now are nothing but hardy void type stuff before the hardy boys were doing it just really. We were the tag team of the year brother. Ninety two. That's a big damn deal you and we're doing the right thing and we're doing everything good and I swear to God all the sudden here. Agassi I seen and New York had a house show and we hit it off but we have a great match we tagged against these guys and had a good time and I even handed him a DVD. I had made of us. I did five series of my career and one of them was him and I did all our best matches and Blah Blah Blah and When I when I did the again the DVD WE HUGGED DICK. Pictures and everything. Everything was cool. And then I'll get home and Kevin tells me look there's video and brother it is him completely like beyond belief like like fighting mad dog. Cussing me saying things like like like a view ever seen rocky three where You Know Mr T. was dogging rocky in the crowd saying hey woman. Don't you come over and show you? What a real man's like tonight. It was Kinda Kinda like that kind of interview him going personal and sexual and and doing things. I just couldn't believe you know and and I just couldn't believe it and so it ended up being about a shoot story. It was a shoot story. You know on you know him. Having US having a plane ticket overseas and I ask him to move under whatever situation. I don't remember what it was over. But it was something to do with me and my wife sitting together and all that and the of course you know me Steve me thanking him and paying him back in some shape form or fashion. I don't know the details but it wasn't something that was uglier. I was always very well mannered. And thank you know Sir. Yes Sir and all that and you know so. It was one of those very nice things but brother. It was beyond belief bad so in my interview And my and my document shoot I go all and they have to literally show his interview so it makes sense but I answer. I reply to his his his Interview extremely well matter of fact. It's the reason why this is rated R. Okay so the reply is on Docu. Shoot Oh okay. So we won't get into that now but since the Docu shoe since you reply. Have you guys been able to bear the hat? And obviously he hasn't seen it. Have you seen each other in person? I'd heard a word about it. He has seen person. I'm not seeing the person he had seen it. Nothing like that. But he's he's going to see it so it definitely is going to be you know we had a show his footage so people understood what I was talking about. That's weird it. Is You know we had to show his footage so people why I was so mad about but I go wall and I was genuinely mad and answer. His his rebuttal about Stephanie was and if he was that mad. Let's be logical about this and you come to me and talk to me about it. You know your dumb ass why you come to talk to me. What do you have time to stick around for? Another hour mark. Oh okay what we're going to do is we're going into podcast on this. No we'll come back and I wanted to talk about broken next. You've had two of them. I WanNa talk about you run and your introduction to the wild side and the fast side of Lebanon or business of professional wrestling because you got caught up in a grind. And I know you're GonNa hear a lot of stuff in a shoot. It's the good the bad and the buffets Mark Bagwell Journey. And it's coming out on Docu shoot on. Dvd thing is going to drop when Mark Twain drop on Halloween. Just two days after this podcast airs and you can find mark on twitter mark which you twitter account. It is real buff Bagwell. You can go to twitter. Facebook grill. Bagwell Dot Com and talk about your website and brother. I'm telling you we're real excited about it's tremendous and that's why we made it easy. Steve is because this is very hard for me at first so Kevin did a great job a manager of making it easier for everybody and it's simple go to real buff bagwell dot com and from there. You can twitter me. You can tweet me. You can facebook me you can do. Even you want to my website so go to the real buff bagwell DOT COM on. I'm coming back next week. With a part of my conversation with Bagwell and we'll get into some broken next and too so ma living fast. Because I've been there done both of them coming back. Thank you mark appreciate your time. Thank you brother support. The Steve Austin show comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans. 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