20 Episode results for "Jira"

Feedback Friday: Avocode

Feedback Friday by Really Good Emails

09:42 min | 6 months ago

Feedback Friday: Avocode

"Hey email geeks another episode of feedback. Friday I hope you are doing fantastic. Today it's time to design. Better Spam. Never that's what we're doing here on feedback. Friday where introducing email ethics an email designed to all our email geek friends. This episode is sponsored by influence from subject lines to protect called action button placement email content header images and more you test up to five versions of an email with influence marketing platform get a demo at the link below. We going to review of. Oh code emails today. These are some of my favorites for their typographical prowess. Row Mc cited. So let's talk about first. What are these emails trying to achieve? I've got a couple to go through but Avocado Code makes the process of taking your designs and going into code a more fluid experience. They want to convey very quickly their unique selling proposition and get that in front of their users helped him understand what the email is four serving them quickly and then get them to take an action. Let's look at this email as an example. This is what I love about. Auto Code content is just really straightened to the point. Finish your next project faster with the new avocado APP. I WANNA finish projects faster right. So they're giving me a promise here that I think is is really exciting. It's really interesting. It's not just US avocado with your to launch your new APP. But it's finish it faster and I think when we have the opportunity to sell that as a proposition we are able to move things forward for our customers. They understand why they would hire avocado. I would hire it to get to be more efficient with my designed to launch process. And I think that's pretty cool. They've done that. They do a fantastic job. I think I've just been really nice and big with their content and getting out of the way I like to talk about design golf a lot on these episodes and they've done a fantastic job of staying really simple and reducing down to the lowest common denominator of different available pieces of type. So you've got your heading here and then you've got this font size in this case it's white but the same font size is being used down here and that kind of different ends up making a big difference in terms of the cognitive load for your users so anything that you can do to reduce the number of differences. You have or make sure that each of the differences you do have are doing job. So for instance we've added icons here and these little Descriptions the icons. They're doing a job. They have a purpose right using imagery like my I come sees images first so I really WanNa know okay. I recognize figment cool. It works FIG MMA and then Oh neat like I can take notes and described changes in my designed files fantastic okay and then I can restart the trial because in my case. This isn't part of what I do as a designer director so I had a trial for a while and haven't continued it but I do think that they are doing some really nice work just to get me back in and understand what I can do. So let's jump over to some other designs here as well also look at the mobile before we do that. I think they did a nice job here. One of the things I find is that people often go to one call from to calm too quickly to calm is still very readable on mobile. And I think they've done a nice job of maintaining that one thing I would. Change is what's called the measure this typographical term but the measure from export to from. It's pretty long for center text and causing some orphans here so in this case. You know we've got this from and then figment down on its own and design files out on its own you try and avoid that so test that like in absolute litmus or email on acid and maybe make a little bit of a Response Code Change so that when it's in a mobile view you tighten that up a little bit. Uh same with senator text. I understand why a lot of people do it in Mobile. But keep in. Mind that senator much harder to read than left the line text so it works in this case but I think honestly they could have kept the same layout as they had in the desktop here in mobile and it worked just fine but it works. It works okay here because the Texas short so let's hop over to the next female once again really nice clean easy to read and they're CTA's like they have just one beautiful big Ta and it says save twenty percent on Avocado. I like that. It's so clear one thing I would say is from a readability or accessibility perspective. This minus twenty percent is probably going to be a little bit difficult. What is this e mail trying to do I though? Is We understand that. It's trying to let people know that there's something special there's a sale and I think they've done a good job of using this pink to really drive that home and to help people understand that it's supposed to be special. It's feels more like a sale. Being able to tell that information get that information out there and then move people down into the focus. Which is the C- Ta I think minus twenty percent feels good but again could be more accessible. Let's go back to school sale. Cool get that very quick. This is a little bit of supporting copy and then right to the. This is an interesting tool using time to drive sales. So I've seen that worked pretty well and I think that can actually be dynamic too. I think it's a little bit challenging when when that's not consistent between customers but I think you can personalize it based on some of the actions that they've recently taken and as long as you're making that feel like it makes sense and it's not gimmicky to the user. I think that it can work really well. And help people to take action. I love this little testimonial component that they add here. I think that this type of component is one that could be used in other versions as well could have been used in that last email as well and then they also have this additional component which is other groups that use occurred in this case during good company. And then it says here I probably would say and also these companies so a DM. That's you know. Maximum here is being represented. But I'd like a little bit more context on on these logos down here but overall I just feel like another fantastic male finally a third one. Let's look at it. Come back for Jira and other new features so this is a another update for them that lets people know that. There are new features going on in Avocado D- that you can check out that maybe this is. What makes me interested to come back right? So this is trying to reduce churn. Email is intended for come back and then the new features Jira. I think that's pretty helpful. Seeing a visual image of Jira here is extremely helpful. And lets me know a little bit more about that tool so I imagine. They've segmented me into a situation where. I've fallen off and then maybe I'm somebody who might be interested in a tool like Jira or maybe this is to people that fall off and then trying to get people to reintegrate in this way smart. I think it works really well design wise. This email has some challenges I think it moves from left aligned to centred here and then centered again having this divider visual divider of the black white helps but if you can be consistent so if we go back here you can see. They're doing things in a much more left aligned manner and that works you know a lot more consistently and it feels a little bit better whereas this it starts to feel jagged okay left. centered and we're switching gears. So just be aware of that. This is a little bit of nitpick because they have this divider at works but keep in mind that that's something that you can watch out for just a nice design treatment but overall. I think they've done a nice job good work Avocado d- what are some things that they could improve? What if I have forgotten really avocado does or how I can use it? I think that a little teaser. And the bottom need a review of what Avak can do for you and your next project and send me to the site to review more maybe about trial letting me know more about what's included in the trial or can I get another fourteen days or something like that might be interesting to try. There's some different things. Let us know if you have. Any ideas about how avocado could improve. What they're doing or if you have any questions feedback. We'd love to get some insights from the Avocado team. Thanks for being here. I'm looking forward to having my kids over tonight and enjoying a nice long weekend with them so everybody have a wonderful one. Try AND STAY SANE. Up Their lobby toxin. Thanks again to for sponsoring this episode Book Your Demo with the Lincoln. The video description.

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Connecting Tasks to Operating Modes

Developer Tea

11:18 min | 10 months ago

Connecting Tasks to Operating Modes

"What will be different at the end of today? As a result of the work the actions actions that you take this is a fundamental question that you can put at the top of your journal. You could put it in your code editor to remind you every day that the work that you do and the Actions Sion's that you take they have outcomes and perhaps more importantly you can think about the mode of your work. This is something something that we don't often think about as developers but you can think about the mode of your work to convert your energy into better outputs and and that's what we're talking about in today's episode finding better outputs my name is Jonathan controlling. You're listening to develop a t and my goal on the show is helped driven developers. Like you find clarity in perspective and purpose in their careers. If you're like many people home work becomes monotonous. Your job is no longer about outputs. It's no longer about evaluating what was changed at the end of the day. Because if your presence and your actions instead your your work your efforts are about the effort itself you come in and you check emails because he mills are part part of your job. The action itself is how you define success and while there are some benefits to this. Actually we talked about this at the end of last year. The benefits of thinking about the things that you can commit to specifically you can only commit to actions. You don't control outcomes Only control actions and so you can only commit to actions but what often happens. Is We think about our actions as proxies two outputs we forget the actual output for example. We check her emails because at some point in the past I e mails had an important outcome. That outcome might be that you receive some urgent communication from a CO worker. Or perhaps you find out about somebody's birthday over email. Or maybe you get support tickets coming to your email. All of these things have good reason. They have good outputs but we aren't thinking about the mode of our actions every single day. It's much easier to think about the action on its own rather than pairing action with output. In fact we talked about this in a previous episode as well so when we talked about functional meetings functional meetings are meetings the have a return value. What returning at the end of the meeting? What is the Output in this way. They are functional in the same way that a pure function has inputs and outputs. We're GONNA take a quick break and then we're gonNA come back and talk about you can evaluate your modes a little bit better and set up some default some good default modes but first. Let's talk about today sponsor. Path fries if you are in your job search it is easy to feel like you are alone. Of course there's other people who are searching searching for a job as well but what you really need and what you probably really want is some kind of mentor. Ship path rise is an online online mentor ship. Program it gets a job at a top tech company. They work with you on your job. Search all the way through you getting hired. This can take a month. That's probably pretty unlikely. You'd probably already been looking for a job for months or up to a year. However long it takes path rise will be there walking with you with pathways you can receive unlimited weekly one on months until you get hired along with workshops small groups support over email text messages and other types of support and pathways doesn't Dole out your normal b. s. your generic career advice that you can get on Youtube? They actually focus on data Ada. In this specific industry. Specific tactics insider information that kind of stuff. It's based on your schedule. And the important part is you aren't going to pay a dime until you get hired first pathways believes in their program enough to not charge you until you have a win yourself. Go and check it out head over to pathways dot com slash T it's pathways dot com slash t to get started today. Thanks again to path rice price for sponsoring today's episode of developer. T when you walk into work today and you look at your list of things to do maybe you have a scrum board word or you're pulling things off of Jira Trello or some kind of maybe have a notebook whatever it is wherever you are storing your list of things that are going to prompt prompt action from you. You probably don't have modes you're thinking about the mode for each of those actions. What do we mean by mode? We can think of this as kind of a role that you play a hat that you'll wear the mode that you're working in is going going to determine the types of output that you produce for a given task and as a result of that it changes the way that you operate while you're doing that task so for example. Let's say you're mode is to be a highly detail oriented fact checker and you're going to put this hat on. You're going to assume this role you're going to work in this mode whenever you are evaluating a a pull request in particular request that is going into production because not every request should be treated the same right so you might have that mode in mind when a pull request that is just exploratory comes through and this is where the nuances actually turn out to be really important if you start fact checking and being highly detailed on spike and exploratory bit of code that was never meant to go into production. It's more intended to show an idea. Mo- that level of scrutinise not very useful in fact it can be wasteful or harmful to the intention of that poor request and so the mode that you're operating in even though it's the same same kind of motions the the same name of task of reviewing a pull request the mode that you're operating in can entirely changed the output and the effectiveness of that output to your goals other important modes might be information-gathering Asian gathering if your mode is to learn as much as you can about a topic then you're trying to gather as much information as you can him. Maybe have multiple ways of gathering that information. You're taking a lot of notes you're recording Whatever the input stream is there's a lot of things you can do when the mode is information gathering on the flip side if the mode is personal connection and presence than taking notes may actually detract from that presence asking too many questions about the details may actually frustrate someone? The imagine that you are a manager and you're dealing with some interpersonal issues on your team and one person is coming to you. They're trying to give you a a kind of explain. Lean how they're feeling about a certain situation and you start asking them for times of certain events while that's probably not going to be very helpful to that person person to to making them feel like you're connecting with the problem that they're having so the mode that you operate in as we illustrated and these two examples in there's plenty more is both nuanced and incredibly important and what can happen is we can default back to modes that are wrong for given scenario joe because we are working in that mode perhaps the most comfortably or most regularly. For example software engineers may default to the mode of conserving time and energy. So that we can get as much of the work done as possible and in this scenario in this mode work is defined as feature shipped and it makes sense that this mode would be the useful default for software software engineer. What are we APP? Actually shipping as a result of whatever it is. We're talking about but this isn't the only mode that exists for engineers if this is the only useful mode for engineers then you might ignore someone story about their weekend and you may end up having a ls effective relationship with that person. This mode also may keep you from engaging in discussions higher level business discussions about what the next thing is or how to Kind of approach a new market. So it's important to understand what your default Taylor kind of natural modes might be and also to evaluate windows modes are not going to be helpful once again. I'm going to refer you back to that list. List of to do's or your calendar try to understand what mode you're going to be in for all of those kind of tasks that you have all of the events hence the participating in especially in meetings all of the things where you are come. Interacting with another person identified the mode that is most cost-effective free to those. Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of developer teething pathways for sponsoring today's episode. Today's episode can be found at specked. Act Out of him along with every other episode of Developer T. I do WanNa take a minute to thank all of you. This show has been around officially now for five years and honestly I cannot believe That it's been that that it's gone by so fast first of all but that we've been able to keep on doing this show and it's because of listeners. Like Hugh and it's because you've shared this this podcast with your friends You've given reviews on Itunes you subscribed you've stayed a listener for for a long period of time. We have so many people who listen to the show on a regular basis and I couldn't be more grateful for you. Thank you so much. Please continue to do those things sharing and the leaving of reviews. Those are the things that helped show continue forward for another five years. Thank you so much. You're listening to today's episode and until next time. Enjoy your teeth.

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Building Products for Power Users

a16z

23:07 min | 4 months ago

Building Products for Power Users

"The content here is for informational purposes only should not be taken as legal business, tax or investment, advice or be used evaluate any investment or security, and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any A16 Z fund for more details. Please see a sixteen Z dot com slash disclosures, hi, and welcome to the sixteen Z podcast. I'm DOS with an episode on how to build business software for power users as more digital natives have entered the workplace. They've brought with them. The expectation that their software should allow them to configure and control it to better serve their needs. And often these power users are also pro sooners that is users who can and will pay for a premium experience. But for founders and builders, how do you get the user experience right? When a product has to delight, these power users will being something, a less savvy user can pick up and learn. In this episode, Sixteen Z General Partner David Hewlett and superhuman founder Rahul Vohra just because how to build products that can turn any user into a power user, the cover command Palette and keyboard shortcuts can improve you I, how to onboard users to drive reality win to expand to a second product and how to use pricing to position a premium product. They start though with where first generation ask has often struggled to deliver the right experience. The first voice you'll hear. Is David's followed by Rahul. Somebody who thinks of himself as a power user, I always felt like ask just really never allowed me to climb up that learning curve to being a power user, there was a whole sort of first generation of SAS tools that really would hallmark their benefits of Jesus us. It's really simple hours think back to Mike trump excel versus you will. Excel is easy to use, but allows you to be a power user if you want to be. I would argue that actually companies like. SALESFORCE and last year Jira catering to power users. It's just that's the complexity in the configure ability was so strong that the companies almost lost sight. Of the facts that it should be enjoyable to us I think what's changed recently is the ability to then also package it into consumer fashion, the challenge with tools like salesforce in jared as well as really any of the piece of enterprise, software, or more, generally any piece of power user software. Is that they often end up looking in elegance and becoming visually cluttered. You're totally right that salesforce in Jira are very considerable, but in fact, most companies they deployed salesforce ended up hiring a third party or hiring specialized persons company just to administer because bigger ball, and I don't think anybody ever use. salesforce recalled enjoyed tea. Is that lends itself to the conversation around design, and for those that don't know superhuman is often driven through two mechanisms. One is called a command pal. Command Line that POPs up wherever you are in empty lots of keyboard shortcuts, so what gave you the confidence to build a pro sumer application that really encouraged or forced people through their onboard to become our users. I? Did you know that was going to work and I? Do you think about usability in light of that? Those who know me well, no, I started a PhD in computer science. I spent a lot of time thinking about human computer interaction, and this idea of ease of use, and I came to the conclusion that as a whole industry. We had played way too hard into learn ability and ease of use, and we were really doing our customers of the service. We are assuming that not as intelligent as they actually are. And, so we aggressively pushing the other direction what we worry about is. Can it do all the things that you wanted to do when you're a power user? All you really really fast. And we'll solve the problem of you becoming a power user through other techniques. I had this belief having grown up as a developer at keyboard shortcuts with way to go, but I knew that he pull generally. Don't use them. Less than two percents of the entire genome, US base have even used a key at once. So, how do we solve the problem of teaching uses? funnily enough, I realized the answer had been staring me in the face. The my entire career as a program is this idea of a command pellets. Every text editor for programmers from. Through mass through them, things like Tex Mason's blind more recently in every big ID has a commend. Palette will able to add auditory amounts of functionality without ever making it more clotted because we found entirely new way to interact and to operate the software. Simply hit one master keyboard shortcuts in superhuman that happens to be commanded K., and then you just type in the thing you're looking for. About Point, you can hit answer and it will do it, but mostly that it will teach you the keyboard shortcut for next time. So you starts up this mastery of. What had an interesting reminder of exactly what you're talking about during this Gordon. Dean I decided that I was stuck at home I was going to go buy an xbox. And when I have been a Gamer and other of my life, it's always been on a PC where I've used a keyboard and mouse, and so for the first time. I had this controller and all. I could think about was like man. This is terrible compared to gaming on a PC. We have so many buttons at your fingertips, and you can drive shortcuts and remastered keys. The way you want and I actually found that the xbox controller was nowhere near as pilots by a game using a keyboard a mass. So in game design we have this notion of a lean back relief Ford experience. TV is a lean back experience now with console gaming. It really does depend on the game. You're probably not going to play cool of juicy leaning back, but you might play animal crossing that way, and so as a product designer. I think the. Questions, you have to answer all you building a lean back selene Ford experience. How do you want people to feel? What is the primary thing you're optimizing for? Is it the feeling of power? Will then you're going to want to let customers map keys in run things that runway you take it very consumer like you to how you present essentially enterprise software product. So how do you think about the lines between consumer and enterprise software in? Does it relate to that learning curve Be Powerful, but also be join us. In practice we've ended up with a very interesting hybrid of both enterprise and consumer around sixty percents of our subscriptions are enterprise off expense paid for directly by companies, but the other forty percents is what you might call consumer. They paid for directly and Jesus Obeit for their work email. All of our customers come to us as procedures, but not all of them come to us. As pound uses historically many, Paul uses simply. Simply have not been able to pay. That's why they became Powell uses in the first place. Because often, they were writing their own software on many Yuma's necessarily have the time to become power uses, but if you can get them that they then represents a very powerful, Marcus, and we see a big part of our responsibility when they buy our software to help them become the power of that they aspire to be. Sweet put a lot of effort into helping folks level up and believe it or not. We get many customers who come to us who had never used a keyboard shoka analyze? And this is one of the main reasons why we onboard uses. Each new user we thirty minutes one video cool, which faster workflows, powerful shortcuts and using innovations like the command pallets. Teach you how to teach yourself, so you can quickly become a power user. Do! You think the way the you're doing your on boarding would be another reason why you couldn't have gone down for the mass adoption consumer around the constraints around whether or not you can onboard fundamentally come down to unit economics. You can't do it so long as your children retention good enough. There is an arguments made that if something has more but consumer price points, it becomes economically untenable, but in practice it really does depend on your chin. Let's say you had a ten dollars per month. Price points. If you could show me that you'll turn, was zero. Perhaps even negative than I only I would say yes. You should onboard. Zooming out all the way the question is, are you making net promoters, or are you? Making net detracts is. And I don't like to leave this to chance pushed me. I would rather invest every dollar we have in helping every single customer. Become a net promoter because that is the flywheel. Behind any company that has reached massive scale. And this was a lesson. I learnt relatively early in my career so when I sold repulsive to linked in. The, very fortunate privilege of Working Elliott Shwe, who is ahead of growth and took the company from twenty five million members, two hundred and fifty million members. And almost one to one I sat down I, said Hey Elliot. Please teach me everything that you know about biology. And he said well listen. The one is that there isn't such a thing true reality. No feature will prophet has never really had a viral loop of greater than one for any meaningful period of time. Even at linked in the address book inputs has had a viral factor, zero point four, and even at Facebook, the most viral company by the time they were not able to sustain is zero point seven from about seven months at the end of the day. It always comes down to would of mouth organic, Ganic. Spread it comes down to brand comes down to building a products to people love. I wrote a blog post last year. About this idea of product fit. You've talked about out of you satisfied that high expectation customer one of the things I've noticed over the last eighteen months zones I spent time with seed stage companies that are building a product that they want to be widely available. Is that when they look at their numbers? Averages are terrible so. So they look at retention looks terrible. If they look at number of minutes per day in the application, it's terrible, but then if they focus on the users who are using application every single day, those users are using constantly there spending hours a day in it, and so they try to figure out. How do you focus on what's making? Those users really happy? I see this all the time in founders. They'll come to me lamenting. Hey, my month-to-month Chin races north seven percents. Surely we are screwed and I'm like what hold it. Let's segment. These users outs first of all let's discount will use hidden activates because we need to separate activation problems from ongoing value, proposition problems, and then next, let's. Uses who have different personas different job sites who are paying personally those who are expensing it because if you've built something even Hof interesting, that will be a sense of uses who find it compelling and the whole purpose of the product market fit engine is to identify that segments, and then to systematically expanded over time. Users Lover Product. You're constantly getting suggestions in requests for features or changes, or what would make it better. How do you balances priorities for new users while you're still trying to serve that core base power users? In my experience, startups tends towards one of two extremes. Some teams especially those which are driven by vision tend to constantly double down on what uses love whereas some teams, especially those which are driven by data tend to systematically address US issues. And in practice you need to keep vision and data in very careful balance. Now doubling down on vision is truly an odd. This is where we get to. The so-called product instincts, and this is all about talking to users and figuring out the most impactful ways to give people more of the feelings at a crave. Now addressing user issues as much more straightforward, and for that, we use a very simple cost impact analysis, and then pick the projects which I'll both low cost as well as high impact, if there must be things that are hard in take a long time, how do you deal with the things? High cost high impact? Those things tend to be important as well right. So the answer is yes, and they metaphor that I wrote on the other day. He is a command pilot by. Used ease open documents to actually. Okay so what do we do? About the big things that a high impact we asked this question a lot by customers. Who is it and they say? Hey, why haven't you built my pet feature? That incidentally would take us a year or two to build. And so I think about what team capacity as a glass jaw. Launch projects big rooks, medium and small projects saw pedals of various sizes. The most efficient way to fill the jaw is a combination of big rocks and small pebbles. I the big rocks and then the pebbles can fit in and around them to fill the jar. If he would add the pebbles first. Few big rocks office face in, but if you added Big Rooks, only that would be unused space. So. It's sort of classic Silicon Valley. Tradition that when a new engineer joins a team, they should ship on the first day or two, and that's a really good opportunity to work on a small pebble to fix a bug to get. Something was into production every quarter we will identify one massive rock and a few medium, size stones, and a large number of small pebbles, and we know roughly what order? Order. We're going to do them, but what the small handles give us. The opportunity to do is to be flexible with the plan in the face of unknown unknowns. Let's say we run into an API issue or there's a scaling problem that throws a wrench in our otherwise be to flee designed plan well, then we can move the swap pebbles around on still ship with high cadence despite the changes. How do you know when you're? Product is mature, and you can sustain that sort of innovation on the core product, while it's still expanding into a new product or new surface area when you make a decision. How do you think about those things? It's notes. Is the product mature? It's. Is the company ready? I think it's a fairly common mistake. Full founders to see that a product is working well, and then they move onto starting the next one. But they often forget just how hard it was to get to product market fit in the first place now imagine searching for products market fits again whilst maintaining products, market, fiscal first product, presumably in the face of competition, and on top of that balancing resources and attention between the two for us. It was absolutely the right strategy at the starts to sell to procedures, the right thin edge of a wedge to Paraphrase Sea vixen. and has for whether you low the bar to appeal to customers. The question I would ask is this. Do you have to? Because it comes with significant cost, attention, time, money, brand, and way of asking the question is this. CAN YOU BE A billion dollar company without lowering the buck? Let's assume that at the points where a billion dollar company, our evaluation is ten times, rn race, and so on a are is one hundred million dollars that would then imply. We have three hundred thousand subscribers at thirty dollars a month, so we ask ourselves do we think we can reach? Hundreds of thousands of us on our answer is absolutely yes, we can. So if something is working. I now believe that it is almost always better to double down and do more of that thing than to spin up something new. When? Every single team is fully staffed when you have an excess of resources and personnel. When. To quit mock Andriessen with this famous description of products, market fits your checking. Accounts is overflowing with money because you're just making so much cash. That's the right time. To take on the focus risk and to start an adjacent products. When for that contact products of our time? Most all of those companies then tried to create a Jason Products. In fact, the two things exactly that you don't want happen happen I versus the second products generally did not take off the way they had hoped, and oftentimes the first products were stagnated. There's products that all of us used were now maybe five plus years later. They're finally going back to the court product it just incrementally making it better what they're doing. Expanding the surface area of that core product as opposed to try to build these adjacent products that really are not based on the same core, use cases and audience that initial product. I think when you can do. This also depends on the structure of the business. Do you have a moat other network offense? Now for most companies, the row network effects, but they're relatively. Week by comparison, a facebook, Olmo classically an Ebay or skype. And so inherently SAS. Companies just have to spend more time. On building features and staying competitive. Arguably if you'll building, let's say a classic Social Network or company with that kind of network effects. Once your up and operating an at scale. You do have a little bit more latitude to go. Try something else because inherently more defense built into the products in the ecosystem that you have created. Unfulfilled is who is interested in sort of thinking about this little bit more heat and Sean, a really good obstacle when the acquisition of trailer was announced, but he posed the question will. Why did they so even at half a billion? Why didn't they keep on growing? He posited. That, it was because the thing that they had popularized. The Dragon Drop Cambon board had simply become a feature. Of things like get hub and Asana and Jira, and so it was no longer competitive, and that what they fails to do was to constantly build and focus on that cool products. Now that you said you're committed to doubling down on the core product, adding features that make better better that I think opened up the discussion of what about packaging, what about pricing is pricing something that should be optimized if you're reinvesting in your core products and adding features. Does everybody get those features? It is impossible to truly separate pricing from packaging from positioning. Till Pasi Akron we used to have those would look at listen to people talking by the way this is a great way to learn house market your product. They would invariably say to thanks. Number superhuman is super, crazy, fast and number two superhumans thirty dollars a month. The second thing that they would say was the price of the product. So in our case, the price is literally parts of both package and positioning. And, when found is asking me, how do I figure out what my pricing should be? My answer is always you. Should I figure out your positioning, so we started with this article by Arielle Jackson who for folks who don't know her? She actually happens to be the first product marketing manager on g mail, and she wrote this article cold positioning. You'll is vital his how to nail its. She advises using a formula and it's a little bit of a Mad libs game four a talk customer who has a needle choosy. You'll product is in a product category that provides some key benefits unlike competitiveness you'll product has these differentiates us. Now folks will notice. That was a very tight definition, and you can then use that to figure out you'll. Pricing Now in the book monetize innovation, the author modern advocates for developing pricing alongside products in a way that supports the positioning that you've just come up with. Now he covers a lot of ways to do this. And we used one of the easiest methods. Which is the van Western dope price sensitivity meter. And Twenty fifteen, we asked a hundred. Our earliest uses these questions number one. At what price would you consider superhuman to be so expensive that you just wouldn't by its number two? What price would you consider? superhumans be priced so low that you would feel. Policy wouldn't be very good, and that would be concerning number three. At what price would you consider superhuman starting to get expensive, so it's not out of the question. You would have to give some thought to buying and you still would and number four. At what price would you consider superhuman to be a bargain a great by for the money? Now? Most Silicon Valley companies orients around question before the bug in question, and that's because most tend to be selling into a new markets or a new buyer in an existing markets. But for us it made sense to adults that premium position and the price points that most directly supports the premium position. Comes out of the question. When does it feel expensive? But, you'd still buy it anyway. And I the median answer to that third question was thirty dollars a month. And that's how we picked off price. Once you've picked the price. It's always a good idea to do a quick gut. Check on market size. Can you grow into billion dollar valuation? So, this has been an awesome discussion. We started at really exciting place rehearsing the different string power reserves. Simmers, and how do we turn pro swimmers into power users, and then to make sure users are engaged in are net promoters ultimately how you think about pricing and packaging, so thank you who'll. It's excellent that you spend your time talking about these things for other founders out there. We'll thank you so much for having me.

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176: The Grandest Tour stage 22: Woods' smart move

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176: The Grandest Tour stage 22: Woods' smart move

"You're listening to the grand tour by the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker flexible loans bill for small businesses. I. W. O.. C. A. Dot Co Dot U. K.. Hello. My Name's Richard Moore with Lionel Bernie, good evening Richard over there not Wofford and we're joined once again by Francois Tommaso, Hello Francois Hi there. Well, fellows just one just the one grant on at the moment it's boring. Isn't it? But at the Bre- breathe new era of the grenadiers the they've Brill's for talked about on Sunday, they were going to be attacking team not writing defensively toll well, not lasted fourteen hours. Much pretty much as see were as they wrote today in defense of the red. Jersey Helper. Richard. Cracking stage whilst the really. Really kind of. mouth-watering in terms of setting up the. The next couple of weeks because you just feel anything could still happen. Did. You did you enjoy it from your Marseille bolt hole there, Francois I didn't really because I mean well, first of all I it was nice. You know the the past couple of weeks to toward three or four races at the same time, but it's kind of Nice to concentrate a little bit and there was you know action packed enough to be interesting and also the guys wear the different today maybe not the leading contenders to win the Jira the welte you. Mix it up to the welter because I mean we thoughts you know in the first couple of stages that the juicy was decided but I mean, you know when you look at the names in the break and the names in the in the chasing group I mean we it was it was really really great race into the like like like a small Spanish classic in a way and yeah. So yeah, to save they well you know one of the computers said writing like a junior because that's where he did it is what it is and this away loss and and to see Mike Woods. Come back and win this a little bit done Martin earlier in the race. You know they did their injury problems and an deserve this. So yeah with reading yours exciting was moving at times and I loved it. It's all topsy turvy vs my writing light movie stars and movie star writing. This Ma am in this episode, we're GonNa talk about the, but we're still a few. Odds and ends from the Jiro Toronto including at. Chitose. Ghani meals take on tale Geoghegan hearts faith three. We'll hear from Chiro we will hear from. Mike. Woods, who we spoke to just after the stage he was in the car going by through towel. So we caught with him. We'll hear a bit from Harry Tan field as well. I'm and yes, we'll. We'll. There are few. I've standing bits and pieces from the Jiro that will cover in part to but Lionel do you have the headlines For us? Please? It's kind of a tale of the TAP pass or not? What is it? Oh Yeah we're back to. The Tampa. Taylor the top. City. A day life. Trying trying to not masticate whilst. Delivering the headlines from today's stage. The it was a it was a classic little tour of the Basque country stage again wasn't really hundred and fifty nine kilometers stage seven the first one after the rest day with two climbs of the Puerto de owed do not climb which. While it. SET THE SCENE FOR An exciting finish up between five riders but there was a a huge break got away thirty eight riders in all including some danger men for the G C Really Alejandro Valverde Mikhailova and George Bennett hold themselves a little bit. The general classification the gains they made might not have been as big as they could of Bain bought still it dull put George Bennett of MBA visa back in March of the now in tenth place and Valverde as you say I, mean certainly the gray. Jersey. Has Best veteran writer I think well, Dan Martin I suppose as well, but Alejandro Valverde into. He's now talking about extending his career. I think he was going to call it a diet. The end of this year wasn't he but going to do another one Gotha is that right? Do you know that I think he was always going to do next as well bought? Yeah. He's. He's kind of gone back and forth a little bit on it well, anyway. Walsh impressive to see. Up The road when this break started to fracture Odyssey thirty eight riders far too many to sort of contested finish and so when. It was go of AG TO DWARF, Lotte she and Valverde who where the three men, the road at one point being chased by Bennett Magnus and Tim Wellens But then it all sort of came back together again as they approached the the final climb and we twenty two kilometers go Mike Woods gave us a taste of what was to come he attacked and kind of teased out the best climate in that group George Benney Alejandro Valverde set Koos with the ones where I. Reacting and nuns pateras the stage winner in appearance at the Tour de France. Of course, he was in the final split along with Keo, Martin of Competition Omar freely. So it was that five man group that went over the top of the climb while woods was just it just off the front wasn't in the other four were chasing Friday valverde Martin and Peta's, and then we had a real humdinger of a finish on the flat rolling downhill there was a bit of everything on. That run in and everyone had a guy with the on the bit of terrain. The seem to suit them best I. Thought Patasse had to go when it was rising Martin had a guy when it was climbing but he looked to me to be the ride with the least amount of grunt for going for a long one. So seven kilometers from the finish look to be ambitious for him. Then valverde had a a dig and there was a slight bit of hesitation but it. Again, all came together and Friday and woods when and then the final move with kilometer to go just outside the kilometer to go mock Mike Woods got clear and held on a really impressive finish at Mike. Woods loves his path Spain because his own the other grand tour stage win was in of Welton not not that far away just a little bit north west of where they finished today in. Villa. Nueva de Valdivia unimpressive state win for Mike Woodson AF pro cycling, and overall. Richard CANTU Patty still in the Red Jersey eighteen seconds ahead of hugh coffee in your screen it is did have to do a lot of that defensive work. Didn't they though riding on the front, making sure that the bright didn't go much beyond two and a half minutes on what was pretty challenging. Terrain to chase on for. Quite a lot of the afternoon and as I say Valverde Bennett near of just moves themselves a little bit up the overall. You listening to the grandest tour by the cycling podcast brought to you by I. Walker Flexible Loans Bill for small businesses. Join fifty thousand customers taking on life's twists and turns and scaling new heights with I walker. If you run a business find out more I walk DOT CO DOT UK. 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Well, as I said earlier, it was a really entertaining stage in not super tough but em a lot teams had to go and it struck me watching it that this could be a race where. It's a real benefit to have more than one car to play I mean any de did spend a lot of the day chasing and defending and in the end Andrea Madore did an awful law. You know he was left as carapaces lost remaining teammate for you know about twenty kilometers I needed really well to hold the the gap and because at one point Valverde was almost the virtual Red Jersey wasn't he but I just think every day is like that. There are teams that you movies movie star and who have you know several different options now. Humid is Madrid move towards Bennett backup set. Koos not completely I. I wouldn't say it could be a sort race where having just one you know leader as any US stew with pause that might be quite risky strategy in this race it's been a risky strategy in Greenwich Tours the season the obviously because the guys were expecting to to shine were. Not The guys who finally made it well, think think of the Jiro on, you know other grand tours and in the same year in the same kind of ideas I am amazed nothing that that's a shot season reveal that by by the density and the depth of the were to pull torture. Yeah. I I could I could name thirty or forty riders. Of of you know of great level today, the guys were in the front whether it's been Mata variety of goals but but Moore you know Mike Woods I mean all these guys in the Jira. We had the those guys every day. thereby it's like intense. Sometimes, you have topped fifty guys were were all excellent players in could win tournaments. And that that's the case in the world will now head. It's not like you at ten ten or five or ten guys really crushing the rest of you position, and then the other being just mystique. My impression is that the tim play in in in in in worked recycling maybe it's because it was so short and was so unusual but tim has changed. Quite a bit and and we have more actors more guys who can play who really interesting party in a in a stage these as compared to through some of the boring grand tours of the past with you know trains leading the way and domestiques win the jobs and picking the battles. It's it's said more and more guys who seem in in position to in stages or be contender. So that's Great Richard Does that mean that movie star in the driving seat them with `enrich, mashing, fifth-place a minute and seven down Mark Sola in seventh place I mean forty two down now Valverde ninth-place two minutes or three down I mean well, they look they look reborn don't they movie star? I mean they've begun this race and very comic way on an all those guys have been up up there on different days. So maybe his trident is then you try them that movie star M A and it's working. But you know they are writing very aggressively and I thought Val Verde lutes Luth. Great today am source is yeah. Movies the bit between their teeth and they do have several different cards to play or not could be a huge advantage in this race because it does look chaotic and a frenetic em and. Like I say carapaces as we heard from Daniel, a couple of nights ago carapaces is obviously amounted fallen a man on a mission. You know if every day is GonNa be like today, it's going to be quite tough for him and his team I think absolutely I. Mean you say a Trident well we'll see over the coming days a trident or at a sort of bent folk you know sometimes resemble that more they Mavi starbucks. Which prong which wrong Indeed. But what you say I mean I it's it's today was not a stage that really should have necessarily taxed any screen. It is too much in in the defense of the Red Jersey own Piper especially when you consider that to what tomorrow that are proper uphill finish where they need to make sure that caterpillars get into the bottom of that in in good position, and then of course, over the weekend two consecutive uphill finishes including the one to the angry Angliru. Hoping well so being forced to do all of that work on a day when night behalf might have thought, they wouldn't have to chase too hard work too hard or as you say. Burned down to amador quite early I'm you know those days are the ones that take their toll and and might leave them vulnerable tower apple tax from from others a bit later on I think also Lionel the those those conventional mountain stages are almost easier at for carapaces. There's a natural sorting out there. And we spoke to George Bennett. Last week said the you know the the GPC would almost be done and dusted by the time trial of the weekend and M by that final week is all stages light today. It's it's kind of rolling up and down to control if you're being attacked left and center and. You know it's not just some movie star versus you movies versus any us. There's lots of other teams somewhere there every day and other teams as well having a a real goal. So I mean it could be quite a tricky final week even though on paper it looks you know not too difficult to be honest. I'm not yet very worried about. the car and in your speaks kappa since the start of the season. No. Since the tour at least as been very consistent and never really folded tragically and today Oh. Okay it was. You know there were attacks from all over the place and it was exciting were but they never really looked in in in serious trouble and the guys were affront. Well. Okay. Verdict benefits are she containers in a way but were not directly threatening the Red Jersey. Whatsoever though very very way erode was absolutely stupid in many ways I mean loss of energy your tact from seventy years from the from from the Line I. Mean This guy is you know he's one of the most experienced were to riders the the V most experienced were to writer now, and any really race like junior ee attacked the. Launch kind of lame attacks about a dozen times and yet nothing left him in the finale I, you know I don't really know what he gained from from today actually, and I'm not sure movie-star star gain anything from to the stage. So I don't know I I found the India's Greenwich Years Pretty Solid I'm in their morale can only be boosted by the you know the that they're incredible training in the welter in Jerusalem? mean. Mistake today. Ten, Francois. De. Exactly three of them are but yeah, and and I'm sure that the more morale boost from the from the is not is not just. Not just words I'm I mean they you know the Karma. In the team, the various astonishingly when you think that at the beginning of the. Of the season new from Bernal and Thomas where there nominated leaders the I think the spirit is higher than it's ever and we again at the beginning of the sage. So Chris from you know acting that the as the perfect team captain in a way and Is improving that in natural as well. I. Mean in the end you're right I you ask what? The movie star Game Will, they lead the team classification like. Yes. Know I mean I think it's more the way they look the way they've been writing with real purpose and evolve variety rude with real purpose today. But as you say, he did seem to write quite I mean he Wasn't wildly old Fox that he's been on. So many occasions where he relied on not finish the he's gone he seemed to one or I seem to think he needed to a lawn today, which is unusual. I. Guess. Thoughts because maybe his his speed is dimming a little bit and the Guy Who Fox the mall was, might woods M I thought I would try calling might was after the finish our didn't think he'd maybe be an imposition towns to the cold but he was. So here he is after finish Richard Mike I thought I'd just try on the off chance for the podcast how are you doing congratulations? Thanks man who ever call you. I'm just in the middle of I'm in the car right now driving to trim back to the hotel we you must be feeling pretty happy. Pretty. Happy about both today. And, you love the the country man riding. Here's great I I always race while here I. I. It's just good energy I guess I don't know Unfortunately, we're in as many fans output out who special and I mean I didn't like a stage that really would have necessarily suited you paper. You know are you sorry diversifying your your talents a bit because we see you excelling on really seep claims today was quite different finish. Yeah. The initial plan from me was not actually not even go into the way I was supposed to stay around Hugh but then the break got so big on that climb that I decided it'd be best to get one more guy in there. Just in case he was to come across or something happened just have guys up front and then yeah. So just Got In there, and then all the Senate I thought. Okay. Well, maybe it got started winning today went on your own and then you recall and devolve where the safety I heard. You say that you sat on because obviously our you're defending Carthage position as well. But what what did he say that group Yeah Valverde's always He's actually gentleman in the races in nyc he like immediately accepted it like he was like I said, sorry. Like discu pay. I few carthy in the in the the G. and we can can let you get away. So he accepted and road like a like he always just still a champion. So think he'll be he'll be back for revenge in the next few days because I think he wants to in the stage then the yeah I think so too. Yeah. I mean, how will riders caliber I don't think that's going to be Hartford to heartburn I mean just before it on on the race Mike a Crazy first week does it feel like being in the race itself? It seems very unpredictable, very open anything and I think. Probably, the least predictable grandeur have been in certainly the hardest style guys raking racing. like it could be their last day and certainly with Cogan that that kind of specter hanging over the the race however after the recent announcements plus old test coming back negative I. Think we've got a real shot making it now to Madrid plateau. And the party another stage win or or helping Hugh Defenders position he looks like he's in great form. Yeah he's. He's doing great. Obviously the number like now especially, that I've got the win it's GonNa be focusing on his G. C. But. Hopefully I'll get one or two more chances to news. Awol. Let you get on thanks very much for answering the coal might. No, problem. Thanks a lot. Mike Woods his second stage win while in the Basque country and one or two comments by the FI, the off the on and he was caught by that little group he he refused to go through. He explained afterwards, it was because he was am protecting Hugh Kerr is overall position. But what what did you make of that? I mean sometimes in that situation I write a one work in. That's fair enough but then they won't contest the finish. He obviously did any any one are fantastic victory. was. The right thing to do 'em is it is all fair in love and war. Well you know coming back to the JIM. I got wrong I. got it right. This time I. I said at the time last we join English would have attacked and a my impression is the team tactics as I said before are changing a little bit in in this new context and welfare enough microbes did exactly what he had to do an e e completed. A kind of a grand slam of stage wins for if pro cycling because they want at least a stage in gratitude this this season, which is. Slashing and for a team like they are you, you can't look down on a stage win just because you're protecting somebody DC's position. So I think yeah, Mike was kind of root for me raise the perfect stage today I mean he talked to decide what every once I do every once really I mean he's in he's in the break he's had one dig and if they if they then Choose to believe or not believe or I mean he's GonNa ride. The way he wants to ride isn't he? Made the same point really in these situations, the only consequence is that people may remember that and not cooperate with in future, and if that's if you know today that would if that's the case is the price was paying because he he wanted to stage I mean once you're out, you've tried to use you know within the rules every every little bit of advantage to can and not trying to get away with doing less work or You know maneuvering other into a position you want them to be in or telling a bit of a fake. I? Mean there's no rule is also, but it's also another benefit of having a writer up there and Vardi was distant distant threat to Hugh carthy bought. You know having up there just gives them the opportunity to play that card and until recently unto. That's a benefit that comes from having a writer up there. He's whatever. You can to outfox especially as the size of the group comes down I mean if they believe that then more full than, I, mean he's just attacked you and then he says, well, now I'm going to defend for my team teammate I mean you wouldn't. You wouldn't give that a minute credence would be think well, hang on day five of us racing the stage where. It every man for himself. What gives made by anybody nets final group in the last twenty, KS I mean they attacked as you said, you know in in the tail of the top. On the line that there, there was no gifts good given by anybody all tried their luck i. mean they were looking at each other and Mike Woods outwitted them outfox them. So No, not not for me facial the game isn't it fascinating really and you never really know what's going on through people's minds but you know when when Friday, and woods would briefly together and it was valverde the other to the two French fry just let Valverde do on on closing. I mean Valverde has. Contained justifiable turnaround to them and say, well, look what's Come through, but they then then obliged to come through. It's once you get down to that Paul, the race it it really is just. All. All is fair. Really as long as it's within the rules and you're not doing anything to actually endanger your opponents I thought it was a small wind really because again. You would expect woods to try and make the difference on this the the tougher bitch climb, which which he did with him when he made it actual move, you know he wasn't wanted by the fact that on paper I would have put a Friday as the kind of the the strongest for that finish with Valverde obviously with the experiential. So perhaps the sprint finish but then maybe a little bit of that dimmed with I each and on the two Frenchmen being the the smaller climate is I thought were. Probably. Going to be up against it, but I didn't think it was a Gimme for woods by any stretch. So you know he was a, he was the third most likely to win the stage when it came to that down to that for a really good couple of days for him in the race because he was of see second on Sunday to four male, and well, you know he had a bad start to the race to knee crashed on the first day unlocked a lot of time. But that's I gather from talking to Mitch Daca that would was coming into this race looking for state wins rather than. ride for an overall position he was seventeen to welter and twenty seventeen wasn't he? An you would think with everything going his way he could he could replicate or maybe improve on that. But probably a better bet is to target individual stages. He's come into the race in in good form hasn't he was he was looking good in the to Ardenne races just coming up to. What was that show confused by the calendar now, what was that a couple of weeks or so before the stars of the? PODCAST is supported by science in sport. Science Sports Fueled by Science Hi. This is John Hassall from New Jersey in the US. I'm curious how much this year is disjointed. Unpredictable schedule complicates nutrition plans for riders. I, soon, nutrition plans or coordinated with training to optimize performance in particular races predictable times on the reason calendar. But if riders schedules and even the races themselves are uncertain. How do you adjust planned to be ready at the right time or do you just shift to a different approach focused on general nutrition with less focus on specific dates in challenges? Thanks a lot Yup. Thanks for the question John I. Think this is a great question considering the year that we're just todd's. You're absolutely right in my experience. When I worked in cycling normally we would plummet attritional plot almost around six months in advance. The riders were clear scheduled with the period izing. Thirty. Attrition. Not only will by week but month by month in order to pay would actually take for their target risks. Now, in all of those facets of nutrition, probably the one that made the biggest difference actually was getting into this with and I think you've seen this year. This is a real big challenge for some of the writers. Some of them have probably post with too soon. When the calendars got readjusted and my suspicion is, is that the guys who were closer to race with in terms of their natural body with in other words, they walk around closer to their natural resource with. To me, it looks like the the guys that have written more consistently. So I think that's been the biggest challenge. This year of outside looking in you get done to rhys with at the correct objectively without over cooking you're like, well, thanks very much to sizes sport for sponsoring the cycling podcast get twenty, five percent off your signs of sport, products, science and. Sport Dot Com with the code s? S C P twenty five and over the coming episodes will be hearing again from James Martin who we heard from there he's director of performance solutions at scientists sports also professor of exercise metabolism in Nutrition Liverpool, John, Moores University formerly team Sky Nutritionist, and he works Liverpool Football Club as well. I'm a real at Fountain of. Knowledge Font of knowledge and a lot of you while ago when we asked for questions sent in really great questions and that was the first one we heard tonight and what we play that one tonight because it's really interesting a lot of talk about the the new generation races this year seemed to while the old generation have been swept aside and younger writers. As we saw Jiro are winning and people positing various theories for that one there suggested by James which I chatted with him am off the tape as well. Just this issue of younger writers generally being far bathroom able to control their way and it becoming a much bigger problem for older riders and I asked him how pronounced that was he said very m. It was it was something Gary. Thomas. Talked about before the tour that one of the reasons why he wasn't performing before the tour was he'd really struggled with his weight on them. Yeah. I. Thought That was interesting and Definitely. Worth considering I mean. Why wouldn't it be? A problem, why wouldn't it'd be an issue or a factor other seasons to while I think maybe the extended period of no racing just made that problem a little bit. Harder to deal with for as he says, older right as in particular. So interesting on being an older guy can tell you it's very easy to lose weight. You drop the one in you drop the Cassoulet and you'll see. Come. quickly. Again, I guess I, always I mean, we know that when you get into your forties gets hard to control the way I bought I. Guess I thought process may be starts even earlier than realizing that the margins are so small in professional sport that if it becomes even. A small problem in your thirties then it could become an insurmountable problem if you want to win a grand tour anyway, let's move back to the zero show. I mean we'll be looking back on the Jiro a little I am I spoke to the Jew winner Tailgate in heart today I'm going to have. A longer conversation with him. Later, this week I'm talking through his Jiro Wenham will hear a bit from him m. but we thought we'd ask our good friend Chitose Ghani Meal Gazzetta dello sport at to give his thoughts on the Jira. Here he is. Chico. Okay. Saudi dear listeners Kabul that like to prepare my thoughts and read them in order. To do a better speech but at the end, I have chosen for and other choice. I. Mean I'm. Now. Telling you whatever came in my mind we doubt any speech prepared because I think it's better. It has being always like this. About the Jiro, first of all, I can tell you the secret why Tell Geiger Has. been able to win the general. I can explain you and nobody knew this. Year that the possibility put all. To tell after Bianca, follow stage and then I told him tail. Okay. You have won this stage but. You know it's not enough to become more famous Deneen UK because psyching podcast. Gave me a huge popularity talk. So this is not enough. So if you want to be at least the Famous me in the United K you have to win the. One stage victory two stage victories a not enough and it did it in land. So only for you, this is the. Secret of tale I mean. Italian public loves him. For his character is something new a Londoner. Okay. We know he's all raisch maybe a little bit Scott Dish Richard you should know this better than me. But in any case I, mean he's a style on the also is way of talking I think that Italy loves Tau Tail and these new generation of young Greider certainly the spelling them pronounciation of his name it's not easy but you know for the majority of Italian guys it's also difficult to understand why English language that I love. For example the sent you let there's All. I know. Exemple. Moon and blood do pronounciation completely different. But. For q equal at there's so Italians. Don't understand either these imagine the name, the pronunciation of town. But these these doesn't matter I mean a beautiful victory for him and for this Jiro I think. Simply at deception for the poll of the shark but in any case, I think that in this. World situation. Healthy for. Referring into the health problems. The. Great success for Jiro and spin that the g role was able to arrive to Milan. They cease eppink Jersey for the in my opinion, the same level of the Pink Jersey of town and really outstanding Geeta for all the guys from menial. So really a great team with important. Italian component. Don't forget Filippo Gun. Really outstanding his jeeter with four victory. Dear listeners these are my main thoughts. And I'm looking forward to seeing you again to speak to you again because you know not me not tale. You are the only Pink Jersey. Yeah. Well, you can tell Chiro. Seal up there. You know at the top of his game at the top of cycling word that he's probably the best Italian in he was probably the best seats ending in. Jerusalem. Oh a Frenchman you more intimate that gag for a long time. We didn't have a great Jira did they am but she'd obviously a great a great. Jiro. Yeah he's he was making plans with Deo Geoghegan heart to do an event in London when we can do events again, which is something to look forward to a piece of business from the Jiro at we didn't. Show for Paddlers Duchamp, there were few nominations on social media, but we do have our rather stacey. Snider has made a Beautiful Jiro peddler to Sean Mug that you'd like to give somebody Reggie port was our Pella Sharma the Tour de France please get in touch if you've got a nomination for a penalty Shami, we want a good reason for the nomination am going back to the roots of the peds Sharm Award, you? Know, what was charming? What caught your heart I suppose at the Jiro and let us know and we'll maybe run a a twitter poll or two to find our Jiro Pedal Sherman, send them this beautiful magazine you the suggestion Francois Oh yeah. Not Too well because Ritchie Portal won the the piddle shop over appeared on the Sean for the two fronts I wanted to keep the an Australian and and and I might volunteer. Run Dennis. L This annoyed. I know it's slightly controversial. I'm sure. But in a way you think it over you. If you do think it oversleep over it and you see it's not such. Stars hadn't. Well. After a few few losses one, you'll see it's it makes perfect sense. Excellent What did you think of our venues reported comments about Well, he doesn't seem to have come in. From either the writer, a protest that happened before stage nineteen, and also the fact the UNLV's Mar withdrew after Stephen cries tested positive for cuvette an F.. Of course, Jonathan Vorster's wrote his latter suggesting that the zero end on the second resting. He was threatened legal. He is threatening legal action against movies mountain, the F. which I think. Pray tone-deaf given the context. specially. You movies you who had are well in both cases actually, but you movies pulled out of the race when they had their leader test positive for couvert I mean as they said at the time they were they were protecting themselves but also the race from you know because we'd seen with Mitch Than Scott am a case with Simon Yates and then three or four days later, there were five cases. So that was that was the kind of precedent we were looking at. So I it's very, very thing ill advised firmer venue to be making comments that. Well I didn't have a chance to to to to to get into that debate because I was not with you guys. Did they of the of the process I agree. I mean the the position regarding the withdrawal of the movies mind letter written by the Trenton voters is probably a little bit sir. X. Assume, Van and not quite. Clever but but I but I agree one hundred percents with him about the the the rightist striker I know there's been lots of debate. In the podcast from the new friends of the podcast and everybody but you know you you also. It's the way that the this protest took place like the could have discussed that the the the night before and not in in the morning the the the fact that everybody knew the course you know weeks and months in advance, and so everybody knew how long he was going to be I mean, and the fact that you know the the stock town with paid money to two zero genesis to to to to see while to have the start of the of the stage before to kind of you know. While cancel all the the the the celebrations and Seen from an organizer point of view. is totally unacceptable and in in a way to made me think you know what why, what, what, what would have we said if the start of of Peru Rubio because it's rain or hailing rather suddenly say, oh, could we go straight to cover for the love to make the easier it was it was in my opinion the totally unacceptable site I can understand why well and we're I think luckily, it didn't affect the outcome of the race and the ultimate g bidding might have and you know But yeah, in in this case, our athletes nothing vinnie is in his rights. But about about you movies Ma Retiring from the race I, think that there was there was a clever decision than then so so it's It's a bit of a two fold thing for me without going back over what what I said. Last week I do see your point Francois and I I think that the. The right is not just complaining and. Protesting about the length of the stage because it was long or because the weather look bad. It was a culmination of things. Over the course of that week and also just up the up the lack of flexibility in what is an extreme. Period for all of the riders and the teams after a particularly strange year and the the issue wasn't necessarily what the ride is dead. And said or what Venny Dido said about that particular matter. The issue was just dreadfully communicated and there was just knows no one was speaking with one voice. I've seen a few comment saying that you know if the Rogers are going to start a stage and it has be unanimous. Well, it's never going to be unanimous with one hundred fifty riders and then order teams and stuff but that does have to be some kind of. Upbringing together of a unified voice so that you know with a one one rider, one vote system on important issues the riders can ballot have a threshold where maybe I dunno perhaps two-thirds after we agree with emotion in order to make a statement or take some action and surely the Shambolic Nitra what happened last Friday and will if anyone's got any sense bring the bring the riders, an teams and race organizers a bit close together and as I said last we recognize that they're actually on the same side here it no one came out that looking good and. In the case of Rainey's threats for legal action I mean I'm just absolutely flabbergasted. They would want to sanction you by who did the absolute right thing for the security of the event. In the case of Jonathan voters letter surely just a conversation between them would just smooth things out I. think again, it was unfortunate that you know one team was speaking seeming to speak on behalf of others without having canvassing opinions of all the others I, and again, that's maybe a lesson for for for another day and perhaps somebody will be able to. Bring together some sort of without getting making overly political or overly bureaucratic but but put in place some some sort of set of policies to actually give the riders. An opportunity to express their opinion in a clear and structured way. So we don't have. We don't have an absolute mess die as we did on Friday but Vinnie just needs to I think just retract you legal threats is just as sort of toys out the pram thing and perhaps once the dusters properly settled recognize that that won't serve any benefit to anyone well less return. Let let's returns of Welte shall we wear all the couvert tasks and the rest were negative and the world has been praised for its the protocols that they have in in place they're not even not even signing on their face recognition as we heard from one of our audio diaries was Nick Schulz, it wasn't ex shoots and you know. We heard also from our Jiro virus arrange of opinions about the strike in their recent episode of climate zero at part by swift at at Cherry. Benedetti. Lebron's grow said, he was ashamed to be cyclists thought morning on you know we heard other writers who were in support of the protests I'm sure we'll return to but less return briefly to the wealth and Lionel use book to Grunter Tom Data Harry ten failed who was writing last season with Katusha and of course, CA- Tusha came to an end and he's Writing this year with ag to tour and He is riding his first grand tour for them. The team is already down to five riders having lost a couple of guys on the first day and somebody else a couple of days later. So. It's been a pretty challenging a opening week for eighty two are Harry, ten field found himself in the break one day last week and yesterday morning on rest day I caught up with him to find out how things have been going. They will actually about the tail and. It wasn't too much stress. I. Always about condition and primate shows position to the along I, think probably all energy just by doing the and the cons only five six percent going into the bottom climb. Positioned offspring of our time with about the golden and about twenty kids deal so. the second de. The second day honestly kicked off the breath had gone I think the looking for the first time of twenty kids and top put me in the cows a when I was really struggling ups. was probably the worst I'm not sure why. To this day three fall down the breath with synthetic. I like that. Then go it was Kinda just like get into the rhythm of it I. Think. I won't thinking of. For the spring the end where the being you know until when? A new depot, fifty five, and then we came up with the D.. Neutral. Down in the last five minutes neutral. So it was pretty sketchy. I was just as soon as it random ones you know goes reach lowest I just went to the front and them was behind the car when the D. neutralize. Willie my team he went up the road with the company's rider and I try to Agok was just opening like okay. Well, I'll just go through this. Right on them anyway, and I did look around another guy come with me and then the growth to shutdown. Okay. We going in the brick today than. It was it was kind of a good day and it wasn't because everyone else is just cruising behind like two hundred and then we the road of derived quite hard to me coast. I should pedal even though we have a tail in the bed because the roads are just so big. AH THE RULING STATE OF PALESTINE SO For A guy, they really the rest to. Some points of stress when Moesha kick. For Guy, he was a welcomed steady for them and then basically check out if I go and then role in. Harry Infield. Another British writer is writing extremely well the while to Hugh carthy and. He well, Daniel Free Park colleague. WHO's working for it at the Vuelta? Interviewed. Hugh. Carthy of the started smiling and we thought we'd steal the I bet that because was classic of Genre. Been Doing. Research on you and your best place on the rest of. Preston, most interesting being found out about Preston at the home of the world's biggest bus station is that correct? Europe's second largest I believe. Don't quote me. He's very contentious issue. They say the size of this bus station I can't quite understand what haven't been able to establish where is in the rankings. Daniel Day all of the rest day to Research Preston and that's the best he could do I mean Preston is the home of Preston north, end the first ever English football league champions. They were double winners in one, thousand, nine, hundred nine and they were the original invincibles. Maybe that's why Daniel was not interested because it takes the gloss off of his pretend football team. Arsenal's invincibles. Well I into. So how would you have interviewed you card in line? What would your? About the bus stayed. Wad. funnier response. Was Funnier, I I think Daniels the winner on this. Story. You, know you just showing off your knowledge of press north end not wouldn't have been great tallied. I'm not really sure what was what was done twenty to elicit was that was what it was to elicit an. Using responsible have the biggest bus. second-biggest bus station in Western Europe I. Think I think I think I think it works. It was awesome and that's why we played 'em Francois you are watching impressed by Guillaume. Martin, at the Vuelta as thing we all are he is. One of the man of the early pro race in these very strong and even though he's kind of out of an overall 'em, he could have an impact on the race. I think, yeah. I after that long display of rule Britannia I wanted to go back to the French corner and praise Yomata mutton mutton season actually because were is it is best to France ever and is now in the Popular Jersey in the in the wealth. And is really really mature than improved. It's his even more. Surprising to seem you know come of age now that Joe is showing coffee this unusually rogers going to cover this tend to you know kind of falter a little bit So so it's even more of you know the price of what he's doing is been it's been. There almost everything. During the Tour de France is is been active. You know almost every day as well in the in the welter is is getting there you know is is climate his going there step by step and it's a pity that he? Doesn't have the kick your the finish to to to actually win stages win rice. He really misses a little bit is a little something to be more successful writer but but you know is really getting closer to being the top five, top five, top ten contender and NA, Yep. Is Getting there and it's it's great news and King of the Mountains Jersey. Now showy he has to talk APPs. That's right. Yeah I think maybe. As as you know, it's it's it's become kind of a friend specialty in the welter we Nicolay D. and the Monkey won the Popular Geraldine filter some some. So maybe it's one of Jersey's in the future granddaughters might be targeting. because. Obviously, you know winning the grand tour seem seems out of rich. Yeah. Let's see me now I would we we all? Love. This guy is clever as well. Like everybody knows. Rug. Lychees a ski jumper. So everybody knows amount as a philosopher but but. Is a nice guy is interesting. is is clever writer is twin. The hard work is doing everything we quite to to to to to to get there. So yellow, let's let's keep hoping. He keeps improving. Well, we should wrap things up for tonight from the Vuelta. Say the I guess reaction to the Jira will rumble on in our grandest tour podcasts, 'em. As we head towards Madrid's No. But Before we go tonight. News of picked up over the last few hours. Espn Columbia, have had a story with and Banal in which the twenty nine thousand, nine, hundred trump's champion has explained. He's been suffering from the spinal condition scoliosis and we'll be taking not not weeks but months to rehabilitate from that so that we were talking a couple of nights ago. Weren't we about where does Tayo Geoghegan Hearts Jira win put in your screen. It is in terms of dividing up grand tours among that VOSS resources. Well, I'm it could well be the Eggen Banal is not as fully in the picture next year as as we. Would have expected and just in the last ten minutes, ASO, sent out a press release to announce that the Tour de France root for twenty twenty one which was due to be unveiled at the Palais de Congress in Paris as it usually is on Thursday will now be unveiled on television on Sunday evening Sunday November. The first we'll find out the fool root of the tool on Sunday Francois. No doubt already has the route in his back pocket I expected but we we don't want no. No no spoilers. No. I can tell you anything of course This is because of covid and I just wanted to last week by the world and no no positive tests today I. Think it's remarkable as we probably heading towards lockdown in France again probably by the end of the week. I'll how remarkable it is that the Tour de France it to some in some respect the Jiro now the welter of managed to be. Not Covet three, but rick kind of spared by the covid crisis and seems to indicate that you know by taking the necessary measures by you know, wearing masks and keeping the social distancing as we did have covering the tour on the spot even though we went to the restaurant every night and we we kept on an almost normal life it seems to indicate that just to in that is enough. To curb the the the the crisis. So so well, that's what we should all do. You know where the mask keep those social distancing be careful and the and it should be alright. Well, it's interesting I mean tailgating are so mentioned that he hadn't seen his family for ten months and a lot of writers might we just talked about it made big sacrifices and I do get that impression that. When it comes to discipline psycho supreme good. Generally professional cyclist needs to be very, very disciplined to do what they do and that's kind of stood them in good stead to to to make the sacrifices they've needed to make to be able to race on a credit to them. I think onto the sport another bit of news rumbling on. As the Richard Freeman hearing in Manchester and More. Information details coming there really in granular detail about you know various things have gone on around two thousand ten in particular. We'll probably talk about that at greater length in an episode where WE'VE MAY BE A. Stage if we've got one, but there's a lot to digest and we'll maybe do that maybe in the company of other in Basel wrought for team sky, of course, or lizzy banks when they join us again. We've got stuff coming up on the friends feed as well. If you sign up as a friend of the podcast cycling, PODCASTS DOT COM, you'll get access to special episodes or couple of crackers coming up and and before we go quick thanks to some of you who have signed up as friends podcast, we're very grateful. Your support is very much appreciated Fraser McGregor Peter Dr Church Mark He'd James Mulholland. Adam Gibson. Matt Moran Henry Peter King. Nicholas. Nicholas Vincent. And Simon, Renton and a big. Thank you to Guy Marks Ronald Caraway George. Jones Jeff Callum Jose Valle. Diva. Ashburn. Chris Rogers Chris Johnston, and Mr Eighty Oldman and a big thanks to Martin Murphy, Simon, Everington Duncan Brown. Chris Kelly John Marsh Stephen Your Will Griffith Brendan canty and Mr Keiichi. Thank you very much Francois. Thank you fight. You are no. Thanks rich.

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57: Our Giro stage 11: The Supertuscan

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57: Our Giro stage 11: The Supertuscan

"You're listening to this podcast at our d'italia brought to you by. I woke up. Flexible loans bid for small businesses. Do they we add in? Chesa says you say on. She says you say sad that she hold on a reliable. Today we're inches. Ena Richard. Is that right down? You solely a so so so what made you nervous. I company I know where we are Lionel hiking. Oh no into as long as as long as a restroom happy. It doesn't matter where I am but we'll say now of restaurants. Sorry before I forget. We starting in beautiful town code travel as in the Treasury fountains in Rome and one of my favorite restaurants in Italy's trivia could lap ripples detour. If anyone ever find themselves that well they go as a top tip taught a whip. We are in Emilia. Romagna this afternoon but we will have would have come across the corner of Tuscany or a good chunk of Tuscany on page. Eleven of the Jiro algiera started in. Umbria went skirts easy. Dodging the Carabinieri Hyperbole As discussed yesterday I think law had a bit of a brush with the all bill there a couple of years ago but hopefully they haven't caught up with us and as you say we've we've made a short incursion into Tuscany. Any one of our Jira and then going into the hills of the mountains of immediate Romanucci appenine mountain. And we've gone over Monte my all which was a very famous climb one of Montana's for favourite training times and then over another one. It'll kick before the finish the Montevideo. Another one upon his favourite mild. Mild Training Road sees Daniel From any yeah I used. I spent a couple of winters and Peruggia and used to ride around up. Tear Gas Cena. I'm sure no no Bob. To read so and run their ran the Lago Trasimeno and that was a nice ride. I'm mark yes. Golf is absolutely true and I know you as well as a pincer movement here how come on absorb more of the sort of local flavor I did. I think I just I just wear my knowledge. Very very lightly. Betty left a fingerprint on your. Oh that's harsh of just a quick question. You use the British slang phrase bill for the police Every country's got their nickname for the for the cops they what. What do the Italians me? All doesn't know is okay. Not Not a not. As kind of romantic. As the Fed saw the bear lower the flakes quite flicks. I mean that's the French isn't that lay flicks. Yeah Actually I mean it really means the pigs but yeah I'd say often used to refer to the police keep today's episode jobs while we are celebrating and interviewing Max Shandra. Who is well as I said in in yesterday's little teaser. The man of Darby born. I didn't know that Tuscany and Los Angeles Sports Director now for movie star the mastermind behind Richard capacities overall victory that year last year. The self-styled knowing man wasn't hey movie stars run without grand tour. Success was inside magic. Max Maybe that's the episode talked with their But yeah coincided with maxine Andrew joining not he'd previously been BMC. He's been at the British Cycling Academy for Wall and of course was ride both for Italy and Great Britain. We'll over the course of today and tomorrow we'll find out a lot more about MC Shandra including the I didn't know and things I'd forgotten from long ago because when I first started covering cycling maxine. Andrew was a big figure in British cycling because they not the not the heady days really where they the mid nineties mid to late. Ninety S. Chris Boardman was Really the only rider from Great Britain who is operating at the top level. Maxine Andris became British in time for the Olympics in Atlanta in Nineteen ninety-six. We'll hear all about that over the course of today and tomorrow yet just a familiar voice isn't a Max from Algeria Coverage. He's one of to sports directors really You've always got something to say something entertaining about every subject and so we thought well. He was on my list of people to sit down for lunch with at some point But the lockdown as meant. We can't do it face to face. Oh I called him in Tuscany. Paradise says he calls it and We for an hour or so. We'll play it over the net. Yeah well we'll play a Belva because the fool into will be for friends the podcast. If you want to hear the fool the fool Max the Max Max on the friends feet along with Richie port. The FOOL RICHIE OF INTERVIEWS. Well from They are so ago ago. You say we enjoy being Tequila the JIRA and it's very it's voiced. Listen to lift loose sort of Kind of laid back typically Tuscan the Tuscany. In in Italy. I mean the purest italianised is always supposedly spoken in in Tuscany. But the accident itself kind of sounds as though they're about to sneeze. They don't pronounce the season. That Jesus Your Son Post Kahn or Bat. And it's Kinda Max talking kind of how he speaks English as well. I think that's how they speak Italian. Darby to be anyway. Stage eleven of our year on the RG t platform. Something a little bit different today. We are assured by race director. Daniella Free Branchini. The transitional stages will be a little bit easier today and tomorrow shadowy backstory to. This wasn't a emergency talks. Forced you to make it easy. Oh we forget to make easier because it was It was starting to feel really quite hard and as I said I'm only targeting the in two zero competition more about like a little bit later on but today's stage of our Jiro on the RG t platform. All we riding at seven thirty this evening if you're listening to this on Wednesday the day of release seven thirty. Uk Time. I will be on the start. Line the stage twenty four point seven kilometers long only four hundred forty seven meters of climbing bit of a hill in the middle but nice downhill and flat to the finish line I'm hoping to be able to knock this stage often around about an hour so that will give you an idea of well. You probably know that Most people be better than me at cycling. So can do you. Can you can join us on the start line. Seven thirty this evening see. I was reminded today liner the and Pantani showed up the two thousand Jira sporting a bit of a goatee. And so you know I I am we shades of Pantani Pantani when you fly over that Monte Vecchio climb on the on the stage today when I might dig out some form of banner or I duNno table. Bit Detail. Bit Of tablecloth tight round my head. You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker. Flexible loans built for small businesses. Join fifty thousand customers taking on life's twists and turns and scaling new heights with I walker. If you run a business find out more at I walk. I co DOT. Uk I W A. DOT CO DOT. Uk James James Tanner on I am the IT manager at our walker super passionate about everything to do with bicycles in sort of following industry and racing and taking power embracing For as long as I can remember. It's something that helps me. Keep very much sign and and an occupied letdown. I love the fact that I walker does get involved in in not just sort of straight business activities and I walker as a company We see ourselves very much the now you four other small businesses and so I do see the sort of the sporting angle of things being an enabler to society if you will It's very much more than just an extension on that and on that mission. If you will we do have on staff quite a few talented athletes From many different sports But personally sort of being very involved didn't incisively myself simply cer. I really enjoyed that sort of announcement. It was great to meet to hear out in the blue From friends in the Moxie department that they were thinking of getting involved initially With cycling and then seeing the additional activities of the department. And it's been just fantastic that I remember what you want me to pull over St. Yeah just just th this village hair though. We're coming into Paul next to that square over there dove. Acl Daniel we in law. You know now that you mention it. A place called set Sony which no one is talking about the focus on the year this year. No one will probably mention it today. However about eight or nine years ago. I came here to interview a certain. Ricardo recall the infamous. The outlaw of the Jiro and I'm Kinda curious to see what he I don't think he lives here anymore or spending most of his time. Tannery foam very curious to see if anyone remembers him How much they know about why he's doing now. And what kind of legacy the Cobra as the Self Solid Cobra. That was his nickname. Wasn't it has left in little ceremony openly appenine in immediate reminder extraordinary. I mean loads of people out here. They softening looks pink banners and balloons. We along the rubber snakes. Cobras have we now know cobras? You just wonder what the atmosphere like here was still racing and Walson sort of exiled from cycling exit from the zero and basically retired in disgrace bond band. Twelve years was. Hey what should we get out the car have a look around? See if we can track someone down. Who knows where the Kobe's holiday not on Google and we've awesome we call? This is legit on Mrs Foot from. Yeah we used to see him a bit around here. He was an idiot. The House mt up for sale here. General opinion is that he was just a donkey. Maybe you're gonNA give give ring. Try Home Is Cobra Rico. On vk back one hundred hundred daddy's there all he can't be raised this moment. It could be in that restaurant after I think he's. He's skulking around in the back of the fridge somewhere. Maybe we should have another. Look either. I always out training. Well that was the feature. I'm a reminds US Daniel. I'm records Jeans well it's very appropriate. You should ask rich today. We'll days because we near the birthplace of them Federico Fellini probably the most famous Italian film director of all time and code one of his films made in Nineteen. Seventy sort of deals with on a lot about nostalgia will about the the period of fascism in Italy Fellini's recollections of that period. So it's the it's the name the Appalachian that we've chosen fraud little nostalgic trip every day isn't it and today's was stalking Ricardo Rico. It was We Napalm and I went higher up into the hills just slightly west of where we are today So in the hills above Modena on the tray of Ricardo Recall. Remember him donkey. Could we forget it? Forget where is he now? Where is he now? Well loss check. And this was fatty reason. I'm GONNA reason to believe he's not doing this anymore. He was in ten ARIEF. He has emigrates. It's ten ARIEF. And he's opened an ice cream parlor his doping by must be but I looked at up. I looked at it recently because I had a notion that it was twenty. Twenty one twenty twenty four if I'm not mistaken Well he's really. We should have racing again by then. They'll be racing. You you boys on all Jira. Twenty twenty four actually. Where do we stand on? If RECOUP PITCHES UP Z. Allowed TO TAKE PARTNER. Jeeter as long as he puts on white-cain accurately and eating a load of ice cream Or rather has been eating a lot of ice cream. Somebody going check his fridge. Not FOR ICE CREAM. I mean he was extraordinary in two thousand and eight year. I wasn't a when one second overall He won the White Jersey. Alberta content won the rice and That was the commodore. Come off the beach. But the the The the kind of the most explosive writer of the race was recalled a Rico and then at the Tour de France he was equally explosive. And then when it blew up in his face didn't it because he got arrested and Tested positive for the second or third or fourth generation. Epo type drug could see her along with Leonardo Piepoli of the Sony developed team quite a boom and bust for Rico. Wasn't it and any came back the knee and then was disgraced again. A couple of years later when The there was a story about a dodge jeep blood bag blood Baghdad. Been Gone off at the back of his fridge. United I mean between the palm is on and the Margerine or he probably didn't have Marjorie. Imogen you've got monitoring in your fridge pump non-italian stork margarine. No offence to anyone. He likes stork margarine. But but now you re Rico's doll g blood and his fridge tastes nicely. In our line of the day feature doesn't journal Tin Slightly podcast. Jira now makes its way to Tuscany. So we've got the COSIMO from Kasi. My maury Ousseini twenty-six this particular wine is ninety percent seventy and ten percent field blend now the field len comprises of six indigenous varieties from Tuscany. That are all code for mental with Sanjay easy then fermented in large barrels for twelve months. All the fruit from causing Momo. Marie missing is farms by the numerically hand harvested and crafted Bali. My good friend. Francesca now Francesco. Only Mike's a sum total of fourteen thousand bottles which sandy met. We ran out and had to switch to the Pera Brizio Roosevelt to also another foreign expounded of Tuscan won. This particular. One is one hundred percent. Angie also from bond and having been yards then been paralyzed for twelve months and then Lance Lynn bottle now. This particular wind like COSMO really appropriate for sort of stronger. Cheese duck mates grilled meats stews and casseroles both fantastic exponents of Tuscany. I'll have beautiful chairs See You haven't updated you stemware still on the same block. I mean I cleaned the gloss. But it's the same Guas I use for my wife. This is my our. Jiro Wang Gloss Daniel. So rich today and I said we're going to Tuscany it was a pretty grew gratuitous incursion into. Tuscany mainly the puppies of our wind today because the three great regions of Italian cycling are the Venuto Lamberti in Tuscany. Three great regions of Italian wine on Tuscany Piedmont Manley Piedmont on the Venuto. But off the way we shaped me up. We weren't probably going to get into Tuscany so how to maneuvering to get us there and today's wine is is a Toscana Tuscan wine but a super tuscan wine well super. It's great. I mean it's lovely. It's it's a spectacular why we'll have a little tribute to the wine. Actually the end from Francois Tommaso any tasting notes. Wow Napalm. Gop's Margerine in your house. Well I'm I'm not sampling. The wine at the moment as I have an errand Toronto to drive a little bit later on so I will look forward to my Tuscan wine with dinner this evening. Well this liquor us on the nose Daniel and well integrated Tannin's I would say in lovely lovely reading from Viviana. No-one Nice no actually was reading. Well no I didn't. I spoke to somebody about actually lovely and a Sandra Sandra Vases Sandro visas. The BIG GRIPE FROM. Tuscany am also from Romania. An June I'm going to do. I'm going to good. This is the most read passage ever in ready. I read our about five times by now. But it's Johnny Murtagh. Punta the day that Marco Pantani sadly died. We're going to Near Pantani's birthplace today so thought read out again so Johnny Murtagh. He'll probably become a made like they always do when they die young or when we don't understand why they've gone. I would rather have watched him grow old and gloss of Sandra Beza with him somewhere up back in his hills. Yes Nice Nice words for a while. It's it is a you will enjoy it. Lionel spoiler alert. You will enjoy it and rich as it was going to explain a Mris. What's known as a Super Tuscan Super Tuscan? Reinvented in the seventeenth. Where a group of high profile? Why makes in Tuscany they? They were a bit frustrated by the very rigorous relations for wines like county famous wines which dictated how much of a certain variety could go in those particular wines and they went rogue and gravel revolution in cycling. Last couple years they sort of went off piste and went off label and they decided to to make these wines that didn't really pay heed to any particular regulation and they call them the Super Tuscan and they're very Germany very expensive embrace. Say it's The punch IUS that WANNA think price wise in our data collection together by divine sellers in London and You can get a case of our wine count you from divine sellers the details in the episode and Greg from diviners giving up proportion of all sales to the cycle school and Chaney which were raising money for through the sale of Stacey Signers mugs a second batch incidentally will be available soon. We'll give you details on that very soon but we're going from one Super Tuscan to another. Aren't we maxine Andrea someone? Who's figured in all of our lives covering cycling for the last twenty years or so hasn't doesn't he an ever-present figure really well. My Dad Chef He went to the UK when his young like sixteen or Seventeen Talking about talking about mid fifty s he went over to the UK to work in London as a chef and And then eventually met my mom and and that's why then they might and all three of us. I got a brother and a sister. Post them younger fee born in in Dhabi not the time I'm a British parents British and So it all three of us born in in England than we moved down to Borth Crime Dan when I was around ten years old. So around seventy seven. We moved back to Italy but we moved to Italy. It was my first time. Obviously do you remember much about Dhabi? Opel Miss I mean I can remember. Yeah I can remember ball. Matthias went to school. I went to school in Baltimore Because when seven I moved went to school that and I ruined dot. I'm of that side of air. Remember the Ice Cream van coming along when Little Street. We used to live in and stuff like that you know. I got some vague memories of when I was when I was a kid in the UK but You know the the the the majority of is is obviously Italy. Is You know then. Ten twelve and he starts remember. Live more of your your your small infants side of it you know. So will you brought up in a household spoke both English Johnny Talian and you learn a kid. Yeah so I didn't. I didn't know much of Italian but was a bit. You Know I. It will spoke it in house. My Dad used to speak quite a bit of Italian to us but But it's it's pretty funny because when we came to Italy and they put us right into school so I just remember a sudden school. Didn't snow word of Italian of dislike fuel things here and there and I kind of got. I got through school without you know. It'll be quite a while to learn to learn language but I kind of learned it. The hard way dislike. Put it school every day and his quiet all morning and kind of the house it you know so it was a pretty is. It was a pretty brutal trans -sition from it from England to Italy. In that way you know when you moved to Italy was that to Tuscany. Would not your first visit to Italy or have you on holidays That was my first time in Italy. First Time Lee so we moved. Uh funny because we moved Down where t randall starts. Where the last four. Five years he ran started with a team. Time-trial removed right in the area on the coastline and That's where I live for like another ten years in Italy an area which which town is at least my your daddy coming t daniels thoughts every year. I mean lots at least four or five years. I'm what did you make of that going from? Bournemouth by the sea to lead to Kamari already by the same now is pretty strange. Obviously is a is a massive transition. You know the big any of I as I said I didn't know the language at all Also big barrier. But then you just you know you. Kinda make friends and On no people and kids and and you just pick it up pretty quickly you know saw me and my brother my sister. He's six years younger than me so she was Chris for the time. And so we just ham and slow. You saw you kind of made ourselves. You know it's I in in a way just just on your data. Because he he ended up in Los Angeles. I seem to remember that right or you got it right. Yeah they're still dad. How yeah so? He went to run restaurants so yeah then came to Lee and basically we stayed in leads for another ten years more or less something like that nine years and I'm one day in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. When I was then cycling with a friend he decided to go over to la because he had cousins in America so yet causes water in the wine business and they are still in the business. Now in San Francisco area You know they told him. Come over Kamal try. You should try so he just went over one day. Him on a friend They came back and they said okay. I'm an in one thousand. Nine hundred five broaders. He brought the whole family to Los Angeles. Wow so that was another transition. And how long were you over? There well My parents my mom dad. My brother my sister they all still in America they all American citizens now and accessories. I stayed there for roughly three four years four years. I stayed there for years now to working. Yeah Yeah my dad's still has a few restaurants like As a family and my brother my sister they have Six restaurants away. They had a that quite a few restaurants around America. They had them New York. They are the Miami they had them in. Vegas had San Francisco and Los Angeles. They had a lot of restaurants psychic company around but then now they're all down in La nonetheless for some of our listeners. Who will be in or around Los Angeles? What are the names of the restaurants can go take it so yeah well actually the most famous restaurant he had is actually? They closed it literally a few months ago and hills called Argo Him and Robert. Deniro the a good friend of him and they partnered off and they had to quite a few restaurants but they you know they have a lifetime so this one had a lifetime spine of light fifteen years on and they decided to close the after fifteen years virtually few months ago so it was called Argo on his brain on restaurant in Los Angeles. That was the one Robert. Deniro and Ridley Scott I think and maybe some other The Mona proteins was it. Yeah the the of my dad was him and Deniro. They opened an deniro. You Know 'cause my dad said let's call. It goes theme an abbreviation. So that's how they called the name that's how they call that restaurant I go and And fortunately this close it. They literally decided to close a few months ago after fifteen years but they have My Dad has two other restaurants called Toscano all one is in Calabasas and one is in century city. They have a cafe aroma. Right in Beverly Hills on I think Camden Beverly Drive. They have another restaurant called. Not Down in Brentwood. The latest one. They open is in downtown downtown. La Is is coming back as is beauty and And Is called misfire is right next to the Disney Hall and fight in the Center of the heart of downtown Sanders. That was opened a couple years ago as you. Dad got like a signature dish. Now that you would you would say if you ever if you ever over in to drop into one of his restaurants the not really not really. It's more at. Very Tuscan Food. So you know if if people know well. Italy Sicily and the north side of it and whatever but tusker and olive. Oil is one of the main ingredients of everything I'd say because that's how we are in Tuscany but it's Now is Pretty well Good Menu and sort of fish and meats and pastas or so on so on the Tuscan dish. The I I think it's a Tuscan dishes. The PAPPA AL pomodoro the the Tomato Soup. I mean I always have if poor dish on the days. You know so when the days out a lot of you know on say during the war. It's like a dish where you had the bread. And you have the leftovers of the Brad and needs you know with the water and this may the bread soft and the very jump of olive oil. A bit of Basil and they go Shinto simple so once you to Italy Italy like England football mad but cycling. Obviously probably the still the number two sport in in Italy and from probably in the seventies when. You're arriving that. Probably rivaling footballers as the number one sport. But how did you get into it? Especially if your dad wasn't really interested in sports exposed you to cycling. Yeah so is a slight when you talk when you decide to crash in the picture of when I really started a so alive in me and so real Basically we used to go to school with a bike me and my brother. We had one bike each lower like in Italy. They call them. Graziella is like a small Leo bike on the on. The on the on the top tube runs down so it's like more ladies so we had these bikes and we used to go to school. Isn't it the couple of K Kane half one day this guy friend of mine? Were this This this this guy. When in the same classes meet shows up with this race bike as first time I've raced by going sold handle ball went down and I was like. Wow this fight. Looks like so? We had this little caveat. Caveat Caveat Bridge what goes on over the freeway that's how they call them in Italy come career so I remember me and ham writing to because he lived in my house and he had this really sleek looking by. I'm going up this conveyed caveat. This lil is nothing but this imagine. When you're ten years old is will could be field that Lillibridge Eissa draw him. You know literally go away so I was like well. So he's like you know and this was an N. As racing in the local town And and the club was called. Gsa sealer so people know a little bit. Italy which is all the all the beachside from up to forty mile mass. Such in or that side team was called Cedar so basically seeing him with his bike every day going to school and I saw this thing to change gears and I was like Whoa. Whoa WHOA. This is all great and so what I did. I asked my mom and she signed me up in the local club psyche. And that's how I got into cycling. Nobody I asked them and my mom I had no clue bike. Laws and psyching. My Dad absolutely had no clue. I mean yeah Italian league in the history of of the Italian cyclists in the day. But he's not into sports at all. So that's how I got into it. Can you remember what your first race bike? Wash what brand it was. It was Local local because he had ah in the days in the seventy s eighty. Six had a lot of money factors very small and it was called cheaply by with a BA by around Pisa. And here's the guy was supplied bicycles to Jesse left the team. I you surveys with so that was my first bike. A funny story this to this is like talking about a million years ago. You know when you go when you show up and you sign up for the team you get a bag nice bag and close all the closer gave you. They're all us from the guy from the year before so you get a new pair. Shani's you know or short or a New Jersey a Jersey Spe- news maybe has a little hole from a crash pitstop from the before. So that's you know we're talking about many many years ago and and these small psyching struggled all the time probably and a Good Jersey without a hole in it. You know that was something to something that was. That was a Sunday busy for the race. Know Racist for on Sunday out of time. So will you good when you started racing was immediately obvious that you were quite good cycling? Yeah so osgood right away because The statement but I did my first race. I remember ready steady go. I still remember. It's incredible bloom right in my head and I just wanted to ride in the front of the Peleton of in these thirty kids on go on to star and sit in the front the day. Sit in the front to the front in this riding in the front and I finished like seven six six or seven. I remember but when you used to show up at a bicycle event at the Bicycle Race. Usually as like a ball. What used to organize it. You know so On the ball is usually like the hub of of the local club. You know so what you do you get that with divine with a car and families get together. Bring the kids. The the sport director South on us to go inside the bar and look at your category and see all the prizes. So let's say G ONE G two G three depending on your age and so I used to show up I race and I go in the bar and have a look and I see all the little cups aglow trophies sorry cups trophies. Small ones I'm talking about for second third fourth and fifth. And then you know they always give you like Prizes in like modell Salami or pair of shoes. What they didn't sell in the shop. You know local people would give in stuff on. These will be the prizes for the kids so basically to discredit shore. I finished like six or seven and I went to the after the whole event you go and the premium on. They gave all the trophies out. I didn't get a trophy. I got a lil medal. So so pissed about An is a son in the car and like I'm GonNa Stop Cycling. I wanted a cup owner a trophy I just remember are so pissed about it and then We went onto the second. Sunday is my second race and I got second narrow. I got my little trophy and I was happy. Then I think the third race I won so started out. Pretty good for the first one. I still remember. Yeah would fairly smooth progression going well and then suddenly you're rooted in your after Los Angeles. No is it started like this so then I you know I'm writing I'm writing well and then solely. I'm I'm you know moving into categories. And then they go into the national team so I'm writing but as funny stories like dial donnybrook car. Though he was he was a big Italian coach in their seventies eighties and nineties. I think the most Mona the most representative figures in cycling in Italian Cycling Federation. So he was the head coach on the track on in Nineteen eighty-five Italy pick me for the European championships on the track and I wear the New Jersey and Do a race in Up in Vigo Vigo daily velodrome in recuperated. The our record was now dismantled and And I win. I win the SCR traced when One of the European because they had like a few test like bent sorry of European tracking and I want one of them so on and I won there. I won this race and then literally few few weeks after I'm on the plane I'm I'm going to lay so and it's funny and and I brought all of that stuff to Los Angeles so when I go to see my mom and dad I got my because they change a couple houses. The House they live in is being there. They've been living in it since since when they almost move to America. So my my more my national Italian kid when I had the Italian license still in La La gave me basically a chance to see both sides of life and And it gave me. He Open doors in terms of you know started working in a restaurant with my dad and this put the bike away and I was like I'm stop cycling now Z. You know You know I'm talking about eighty six eighty seven seventeen years old living in. Landes pretty pretty cool place to be you know and I stopped cycling subsiding for like eight months eight or nine months and then one day my mom came to Italy. I said mom. I want a bike. So she me a sunny funding any bike by buck. Delay ministered slightly. The I wanted to to improve so when I went to America that was kind of cut the whole dream. I had you know and I was like a and I was fascinated by the in La and so on so on. But when I started cycling again in Los Angeles I know that's a good side of it because One day I I give another little story one day. We had this this. The use of these criteriums all around America sponsored by American Airlines on a NABISCO is like an because like being bought by slave like a big Shiro company and biscuits and so on so used to go around America flying and racing and they had this criterium in West. Hollywood and I lived in West Hollywood when I went to America so boom West Hollywood criteria. I'm racing literally with a Jersey on my own is different in America. This apply for license footage as you on a new race on here. The whole team of seven eleven shows up on Jim Awkward Sad Phoenix there and all the seven eleven team. I'm talking about eighty seven. Eighty eight thousand eight something like that. So we're doing this study. Were criterium and we come to the final lap sprint and the whole line out is Davis. Phinney go with sprint and I beat Davis Phinney and I win Hemi second. I'm talking about this little kid. It's me and I beat the whole seven eleven then and it's funny story because that's when when I met Jamal Quds so I know g Margaret's from nineteen eighty seven and you know I work together again. Bmc We twenty five years after credible cast at d'italia is supported by scientists post. Scientists poured fueled by science. Thank you very much indeed to science and sport our long-term supporters and you can get twenty five percent of all your scientists Sport Products Science and Sport Dot Com with the code. Daniel a man who can hold five languages in his head but not a seven character. Discount Code twenty-five SYS twenty. Sis P twenty five hits deliberate as I S P Twenty-five Science and Sport Dot Com twenty five percent of all your product scientists for getting me run. Jiro I must say I have been consuming a lot of their stuff. Couple of energy bakes today So yeah get your son's sports stuff at science sport calm night line. We've reached the mid point of the episode. We're not just the mid point of the episode. The midpoint of our chat with Shandra but the midpoint of our Jiro. This is the Middle Day of our twenty three days of coverage and this is the middle of the middle. Your your case of Wine Rich Paul. Probably Jere of all blind. Thank you very disciplined. He recently well. I found after probably three or four days of our Jira on the platform to the. I just haven't got the time because of you know recording podcasts researching for the episode and mainly because of increased childcare duties. I'm I'm not the time to ride all of all of the stages so I revised my talk just for many writers. Do you hear that a lot. I I just have time to finish the stage essay. Why didn't you finish? I didn't time well. Today's a busy to be fair is their jobs to right and You know it's not my job to ride algiere to be So revised downwards to just completing half of each stage. I've been dubbing the into Jira People may not be familiar with what the Jiro competition was but it ran from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine through to two thousand five and the winner or leader of the Competition War Fetching Blue Jersey the Zuhdi Jersey. It was first won by a Slovenian. You at a Popovich in one thousand nine hundred nine succeeding in taking a Jiro classification where Primoz robotic fell short last year quite an illustrious list of winners really fell Anderson. Miguel Indurain Djamolidine Abdujaparov. Tony Rominger and this man Magnus Backstedt. But how did the in two zero competition actually work? Let's hear from maximus. Who still has these Blue Jersey home somewhere about how they taught it up the times and awarded the Blue Jersey for the Inter Jiro classification that is actually quite an interesting one. I don't think many people have actually managed to get these right yet. ARE GONNA save. We'll start raising the race. Something even understand it properly so Olson found myself in that Jamesy but basically. It's a halfway through the stage. There is a finish line and it works just like the. Pink Jersey would do Where you know if you're in the breakaway you Hewlett's taught him so it's better to. I guess emphasize and give people who more the breakaway specialists not necessarily a sprinter or a climber with a C. Varda such An opportunity to to get adjusted as while so off hopefully three to stage everyday there is. There's a finish line and I call. Start Line every day Obviously get a time and Thomas than Accumulated over the at twenty one days of racing and also there are then into sort of bonus seconds on on line as well so if it does come down to a sprint for the halfway finish Then there Bouma seconds to be as well so Yeah I don't know if that made anyone any wiser as to what the series but In in short that's how it works for me. It wasn't really something that are targeted And it was a current all of a sudden ended up being breakaways left right and centre with the he found myself and being roy up during the mix of for the two zero competition. And when we're very lost then was SORTA started putting a little bit more than on and started doing to you know. Proper leaders into the city finishes folding. Jiro of sale was already quite sort of Used to be in breakaways a lot and obviously I started looking for more and more opportunities to get into breaks but as as the race went on the other guys who sort of competing for the year. Then they started putting teams on the front to bring the Break Arkansas. So and so it was kind of a very hard fought first half of the bike race And then it all of a sudden sort of jelled out the little bit once we got past the halfway stage and then the Jay Z. Went for the the painter in Jersey erasing. It was something that was a bit Actually put a bit of a mystery. Everyone really and then even to the to the ride as a large extent until you sorta were all of a sudden in the mix of and and you sort of when okay. I got to work out. What's going on here now? Are We actually win this? And obviously the the the time-trial stage is exactly same. So that's where I really ended up sort of cementing. The the win for the euro competition was in the in the to Tom. Trials with had ear one was into Bolzano. Finished second are basically when all the to get to the the halfway point of that time trial and managed to do so with significantly and yet that really got me a good of gap ahead of of the rest of the riders. I'm really proud of having having won it And remember it was really really hard year to try to hold onto a t to that particular competition had on the up chasing me and it so yeah having to bustle with With what are they? In the sprints fund a week was was quite difficult now the just lastly on as Jersey and the Blue Jersey of course that the color of the national team. Isn't it the the football team in cycling? People recognize that when when you were riding around did it resonate with with the spectators. Always Jiro just about the Pink Jersey. No it I think. The Italian saw McLean Fan Is is already very very clued up on on all of the jerseys and the sportage in in itself so anyone who wears a jersey I think yes is sort of Ju- recognition by By wearing it and Yet definitely got a lot of I think fans by wearing the Blue Jersey But yeah I it's our thing for me was a really cool thing to actually how Jersey to to wear your the Talian still hanging in. So we've passed the halfway point in our. Jiro selects return to my conversation with Max. She Andry and pick up the story as he's about to turn professional. Remember if you want to listen to the whole of this conversation unedited. It'll be available soon for fringe of the podcast. So when turned pro for that team in one thousand nine hundred nine already had contacts with Carrera an ideal stare. They wanted me. I was very loyal to one guy and this guy was the sport director of the Roma Daddy team when I went as a little kid and it was called. Kalina Mini Kelly on this board director. We remained friends. You know and he saw me kind of you know visit. The're went to American and came back so he said okay turned pro with me my team and there's a small team on the stall was Bottom Kelly Giambattista Barron Kellyanne is last year pro and I turned pro with his team. Well basically a team will had break very small budget and and Bottom Kelly was at the end of his career. We never really raised together March I remember the team. Actually by midseason folded up in terms of you know we we had the jerseys but they stopped paying. I'm and they didn't have bike parts. And so I'd say three quarters into the season I signed my contract with Karrada. I'm actually raced few races with a career bike and not team. It's funny story. Yeah well about on Kelly of course at one The Garrity Lombardi at a couple of times. He He'd been on the podium at the Jerry got a silver medal at the world championships. So I'm a new You would you your first win in your first year in Jarrow di Romagna is that. Yeah I won the Romani but I'll second lots on the second pacers. Lots of very big thing once. Say like winning but luckily that time was two hundred. Sixty two hundred seventy K. Charlie Morte was away with two Russian guys. I think there are Saloum and These two Russian guys cramps and they stopped and he pulled out the race literally because the whole race was all around Rome and then we came into Rome when we did a couple of laps around the coliseum. And I didn't know the put out so we did this. The the sprint was sprint. We did a lot of many times after in the years but this is a pretty straight spring because you kind of run on the right side finish and you run on the other side of the road going up you to and then dropping down into the finish on Kabul's I remember went to sprint as all these. Sarah was Aaron with these guys and I beat them and I second but I thought I was like fourth or fifth because I didn't know the there's already Charlie Morton Front and the other guy stopped so come you know when he comes to me and it's like shared. Tv They want you on TV because in the days used to go on TV right away on the finish and those Adriano Zan so did scientists love me because he said hey areas from America. You was actor. I needed a lot of movies. And so that was my story my first four or five years fro and used to say to everybody on TV and he did movies unease friend of who slammed this and this and not near. I'm on the podium. So you and Mac straight out of Hollywood some but he loved the whole story. The Zan really kept me like up in the air a lot you know. And yet his own people what he liked hours one of them he really really liked me so then basically second-place in in Lonzo and then weekend after I one Jeremiah. Yeah and those great integrate and even Naby laws of Saddam Nibble. I remember Tampa almost like a k. To go where like Newsweek Colorado. I'm talking about Dante one of the biggest sprinters in the days and and I win that race and I'm very sadly many. Kelly died a few few months after and Yeah all right away. The end of the year and then But then I signed my contract with Cadad- on kind of you know and then you pick up your better teams and then you career starts just to give the listeners. Some background I mean. They may be familiar with the KARA team. But it was one of the biggest teams in Italy at that time sponsored by a company that made jeans. Stephen Roach won the Jiro and the tool for career a few years earlier. And you were coming into the team just as cloudy okay. Pucci was emerging as a potential. Yeah so you'll first year with Carreira. You wrote the Tour de France and now people might think quite strange for a young guy to to get a star in the tour quite so early these days. It's it's not that comedy but I guess in those days that year was probably number one goal for Carreira and the tour was Obviously still a huge the biggest race in the world but it was strange in those days. Wasn't it for the Italian teams? They were still so focused on the Jiro. Just above the head of the tour. Yeah no no. There wasn't many team for us to go and do the tour I mean in. Italy had a great Kinda lot of races if you want any race in Italy as a as a pro and early ninety nineties or late eighties you'll always find a contract for at least one or two years. They had a massive amount of races in Italy. So a lot of teams will happy enough would without on few teams. We used to go and race the Tour de France. I'm not you said. Data was one of them so I went to first year. Pro and Capucci. Was this kind of coming out of his Who he was. I went to the toilet. Franson I'm talking about you. Know I'm talking about two hundred and eighty K. stages we did a team time-trial about eighty ninety K. I remember there's a feeds on it and I was like this little kid of twenty one years old in this in this mosque team and it was a pretty brutal experience but I just want to open a little little story here. I'm just to so solicit so people can understand when I had the academy member. I'm jumping Ford a lot of years. Now when when the academy the British Academy Momo's here in Italy and We had We had all these pro when all these guys kind of wanting to pro as in Steinar in g Fumi was here all these guys. So what did we do one near? We put them in a t in Called Bala world for was run by Cloudy Court. Tv and Gary. Thomas went to the toilet in front. Something like twenty one years old so I pushed him into that team and I pushed into the tour because for me going back to when I did it as you just said in career was massive life experience. I mean literally change me. The day I went in and the day I came out as a different person is different athlete and other different would being. What's that because of what you have to adjust to so quickly as the difficulty of it? Yeah just because I think you have to do things now inside you know. Sometimes I notice about programming and and a lot of as now by programming and and really looking at events and targeting stuff but a grand tool is for me the most important thing young rider can do a NEOCON. Do because it really Gets you get to know yourself inside out and and it really tells you my weak spots where I need to be better on how I can change one needs to. Do you know so the sooner you do it on about it is. That's what I think that to to France with a real baptism of fire for you anyway. Because on the first on the Sunday morning of the opening weekend Kia Pacheco into that four break with Steve. Ronin pen shaken friends man they. They got ten minutes on the defending champion. Greg Lemond and all the other favorites and the race really boiled down into a pursuit between London Capucci in the final week. Didn't it so you in a position where you were working for the Yellow Jersey for a number of dice? I mean that must have been quite a learning experience on its own. Yeah no no is is a massive experienced in in every single way one because I was a young kid and what they missed. I'm on here is another little point. It's I missed the the amateur racing in Italy because I came from America. I did one year and the as an Amish I got the Jersey and the thing in the baby. Jiro And and The ship one an unseen an obscene pro scenario so I just had one year of amateur. So what what didn't have what. It was experience. I didn't have that experience I needed. Oh maybe three four years of amateur seeing maybe a few stage races as a as an amateur and I went straight into the pro world with no with no background at all Had to make experience quickly so what? That's what I missed you know on on and I didn't have the you know I didn't have a mentor. What was behind me and could say hey. Do you need to do this? And this is how we do things just like the first year without born Kelly team was kind of everybody on their own and then on the straight into Connecticut on into the tour so I missed all that far I had to had to make up for it and I just listened to guys and on one of the guys guided me. The best in that tool was massimo. Get off and here's my mental and really helped me to get to Paris and and give the best for the team because Is Is a good guy is in. We don't want and here's this all about himself. I actually really well we get on. Because now he's he's he's on the motorbike in the Jiro. He's like you know one of them guys in front of of the race and I'm a director whatever to ordinary people he wasn't wasn't that friendly when I was in the team so but I found a great guy and get off to really help him to get to Paris and do my job doing the race and then the following. Yay You won your first year. I've stage and it was the head of Lamont wasn't it? Yeah it's funny because Again him mental comes in. I'm we're riding along the coast liner before up and down as pissing rain. I remember like unease like he's he comes to me. Says how all you get like Shea said you said hang if you WANNA do the race today look at that guy and I put I put my head up and look and I see this guy. How Greg Literally K? After Boom Greg tax on a little kick ups and I go with him his Me and a guy called Coppola law never pulled never gave one turn navigate one tear behind the Tonga with CIPOLLINI. Nine hundred sixty seven just like me. He's kind of coming out of his shell. You know is is another guy starting to win on the whole team of Of the Dongo was pulling so we had like a minute often comes slowly slowly comes down then we get off right in the center and it's like big road big big wide road slightly up hill finish on with this pissing with rain and I remember Greg starts out the sprint. Gupta guests drop actually gets caught by the Peleton the to go and put a couple of meters on me. And I like you know when you get all of these settlements soaking couple hundred K's in your legs and eggs a killing me. And he gets one to two meters and then then I call him back on his wheel and stop putting out. I did the beat him or not. My I H Straight Day was. That was a big deal. I mean being the Tour de France champion in Jiro stage even in the rain. I mean that must have been a great day. Yeah fantastic day you know and then it's like you know I'm here I'm in the big world I'm in the real world and and It was I don't want to say to the people listening. And Oh it's like it's different but it was different because in the days he had one winner one leader team and everybody had to work for him. Now you know you set off Okay can go for party. Rubio obviously can have one leader each team but you go out and a lot of racism and and a lot of people can win and it's more open. The days really had to work really hard to put your head down the the leader you know. And there's there's a little bit harder to to put your head out and say here. I am a little bit harder in them days and the now and if you had a good chance to do something and you didn't take it you might not get another chance for three months us. It was really enjoyable to hear Mac. Shanti talk at length quite expansively about his journey and because we we do know him well Lionel but we don't often have an opportunity to sit down with them and that sort of conversation and as I said earlier on the whole conversation will be available to friends of the podcast. If you want a bit more of Max Shandra and that'll be on the on the friends feed and sign up at the cycling PODCAST DOT COM to hear him. And also Richie Porte from a couple of days ago and we do know these days. I suppose primarily as a as a sports director. Bmc and Maurice Lee movie star very always. Very approachable isn't always very willing and unhappy to talk on. I guess one of the things listening to him talk about his days writers to be reminded about what good writer he was and am one story that release prick. My attention was was the the win. Small race may be bought in West Hollywood where he took on seven eleven. Who had been writing grand tours and later in our series. We'll hear from the hamster and who had ridden the Jewelers Italia for seven eleven in Nineteen eighty-five Five. They were starting to get food. Hold on European racing signs right. Well I mean Davis Phinney who he beat you know was a very good sprinter in France stages and Sony WanNa stage the third front in eighty seven and so they were. They were a very strong team. And for Max you know the way. The way describes I kind of imagined turning up on outrace jeans and Ana fix see and taking them on and and winning. I kinda hipster maxine Andrea and Hollywood am bought that the story on another's did serve just reinforce or read me walk good writer. He was back in the day. I think one of the interesting things as well is and I wasn't aware of this until I listened to the interview Was just how much time he had spent in the states and in in his youth and how much he was kind of viewed as a bit of an oddity Something quite exotic or someone quite exotic when he then came back to Italy because the picture paints of of Tuscany and Tuscan psyching any talion cycling in those years when he was growing up when he wasn't at least this kind of honey sort of instagram. Sepia toned I'm vision of Italian selecting. That's been lost relief competing for Motala unaccompanied every every village had its own frame maker and you know even when I lived in Italy for short period in the late nineties. That was the case. When you went out with guys cycling everyone would would have a frame made by different artisan and and you know that over. The course of the next sort of twenty thirty years was lost. Husband lost to a certain extent. And Yeah I if I'm getting quite wistful about that. When Max was talking about the time he spent in Tuscany and becoming a cyclist is made him a very interesting Guy Frost because you you sense again came through there we you mentioned his his Tuscan identity and that he is kind of Super Tuscan he. Also there's a sense of him not really perhaps feeling a fool sense of belonging himself in Italy. You Know He. He didn't grow up there in his early years So two Aussies. Very Italian to the Italians. He might be you know kind of anglo-italian and yet he's got this kind of American street running through him as well. So he's kind of fe multinational and of course he's he's still been spending a lot of time in. Hollywood and acting films under the known to Plume Matthew mcconaughey for years. Now once they once really picked up on that I mean combining lot with movie star the S. Well guess that's possibly possible isn't it? I mean doable manageable UNR- authorized look by the Italians especially when it came to the world championships. I mean I'm just looking back at the purple period of his career from sort of ninety three to ninety five when he was winning the Jira Stage one stage of the tour and ninety five famously lost beyond a recent sprint in nineteen ninety-three tour and on the Channel Four coverage that the interview off to the finish line was him basically just incredulously. It lost sprint to be honorees But that year ninety-three third in Raimo third in the two of Lamberti third in the World Cup and yet he wasn't really he was. He was more of an outside when it came to the Italian World Championship Tame. And that's what led him to Take up a British racing licence in time for the Olympic Games in Nineteen ninety-six. And we'll hear about that in tomorrow's episode and also about the two thousand edition of the Jira Italia when he was writing for the Linda McCartney team. I mean this is a this is a whole kind of in itself. Isn't it the boom and bust of the Linda McCartney team but they did get to the Jiro in the year? Two thousand the first British backed and British run team to ride a grand tour since the INC have statement on the Tour de France nineteen eighty-seven and mean we take for granted now than we team sky team any Austin old of the British success but at the time. Linda McCartney getting on the start line at the Jira quite big deal a Max was very much the figurehead of that team. The the you know the almost want to stage the day after his teammate. David McKenzie did win a stage. And we'll hear a bit more about that tomorrow. You mentioned him sprints beyond race and you know I remember when I first started watching cycling and in fact the first race I ever saw live was deletes classic in Nineteen Ninety six and Max lost sprint. There I think most people thought he should have won to an his countrymen at The Italian Andrea Ferry auto and it seemed to me that for a number of years time people did sort of union as a bit of a choker is a very harsh word but someone who didn't take opportunities when they're presented to him. I what was not fair. He was e because he had a fast finish but he he was a guy mean. We'RE ON TRANSITION STAGE TODAY. And Rg on that sort of appropriate to because he was a man for the transition stages to get into a break and my memories of him often losing those From those positions where you on paper at like. He had a chance of winning. Yeah and that's why listening to and listen to some of his successes and listening also to Lionel's list there of of some of his placings as well does remind you that he was. He was a good writer while having a little bit tomorrow. About how when he did get an opportunity in the Olympic Games. He came away with a metal Not for Italy but for Great Britain but that will come tomorrow. I enjoyed that story. Very much indeed Yeah loss leap forward to tomorrow and our. Jiro am not so for tonight. We're going to play out with Francois Tommaso aren't we in his his little tribute to the spectacular. Red Wine that we've enjoyed during the steps of you and me Daniel. Anyway while don't go out to look forward to 'em until tomorrow chops is a song by forty red red red wine and say yeah. Yeah but it's not originally you before originally you before well originally Daniel of course if Sinn Neil Diamond Song but the most famous version of arguably as you before these Russian until now till now I doodle I I very much enjoyed fronts was version so hope you do. That's all for now. Thank you Daniel. Thank you thank you thank you. Richard read read warm ghosts and four read. It's up to s word. Moved just makes steak as head thanks. Don't let me little somebody Neil diamond in this in the UB forty version. We'll just to Remind you I that you know too much. Red Wine can be dangerous but But you know just As much as you need greats and well during our Jiro as your chance Johnson. Discover lots of great Italian wines. To be honest being French I found them some excellent but much too expensive or they are anyways Got Beautiful Wines of course and Well as far as I know We'll be lots of advice and the wine lists for the for the join our. Jiro and I'll tell you what I'm going to discover. Lots of them and the and try them as well and once again without overdoing it burn. Well that was fast with with my little song for Algeria and You know Well see you soon and keep well.

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56: Our Giro stage 10: The hot seat

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56: Our Giro stage 10: The hot seat

"You're listening to the podcast at our did d'italia brought to you by. I woke up. Flexible loans bid for small businesses. Today we adding Castelluccio says you say explode. Say that she and we are in Castelluccio this afternoon at the end all the Jiro stage ten time trial which set out from. I`MA TREAT YOU RIGHT DANIEL. Yes closing off and on the whole state to revise it and decent fist event. Really GonNA. That's almost being teacher. Maybe nurturing children blood scouring parent's trained teachers anytime tro Diane being the Jiro. Sorry Napalm just just on where we're finishing today we'll talk about the significance the symbolism of later and Castelluccio. He was with me a couple of years ago. When we were good on Cecil the Italian competitor order and the fabulous fantastic plateau up there In the in the Abruzzo and it's known as the small back in Italian but that was the day of the `Grande Casino on the cable car. Correct Cheer Cheer. I was really out of his comfort zone. Didn't like it. And the cable car didn't like having to queue for the cable car or gaseous. Yeah was today. Where bit north of that? But it's kind of similar. If you ever get a chance to go to Castelluccio it's an incredible plateau and between May and June May actually I think it's more like mid July and poppies and lentil flowers as well and you see this incredible so technicolor display of flowers up there and these pictures are often published in Italian newspapers around that time of year and they go round the world because it's quite a sight so if everyone gets the chance to get there are around that time and do it by. Jiro Standards Thirty nine point eight kilometers. He's not an unreasonable. Time trial links is it. But there's a big climb to way down the course on liters of climbing over Ford candy price to too much too much. I mean you know what you trying to do to us fantastic So we we start the lot region today we finishing Umbria a napalm that I mentioned them Castelluccio famous lentils but when you get into that region you get close to North Cheshire Google places. Fantastic black truffle Which we mentioned yesterday but you will be in new element. You'll be like a pig in truffle. I'd like to cross the line at the end of the time. Trial thrust my face into a basket full of truffles like like a like a whole close. Anyway let's cross over to the call the Hog of rot failing. He's the hog of forgetting Mitch Lady for the Wild Boardwalk. Pretty hard time-trial course shouldn't expect anything different in the JIRA. A great big climb in the middle Can sort of see the top well. I can't see the talk but it's asked somewhere just ahead and then I think it's down to the line but this has been a really tough test and I need proper transitional stages the next couple of days although I'm not GonNa Make Virtual Milan. You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker. Flexible loans built a small business. Says Join Fifty thousand customers taking on life's twists and turns and scaling New Heights with I walker? If you run a business find out more at I walk. Dot Co dot. Uk I W A. DOT CO DOT. Uk. Thank you very much to our headline sponsor. I walk an award-winning finance company specializing lending to small businesses. There were friends in twenty eleven and have issued more than one billion pounds to companies ranging from startups to salvage businesses. I Walk Out. Can Land between thousand thousand two hundred fifty thousand pounds by making it quick and easy to apply for a loan and get quick decisions. It can be more flexible option than approaching the big banks. I Walk I also support cycling. Of course they sponsor the Kendall Cycle Club and the cycle podcast. I remember if you knew new keys at the you I caught by some never over shows populated. I've got Lance Armstrong. He allegedly told him that he had a lot of money and would destroy. The Italian SIMEONI finished the stage fighting back tears. The incident remains one of the most emblematic moments of stockings. Must painful poke on a memory that follows Filippo Simeoni everywhere stage? Five of this jared. Italian went through his hometown sets in using that day and it was that in a ball in the finish line that he and I renewed acquaintance on Wednesday put together a good career winning ten races. Including T- well two stages. I'm not trickle Jersey and yet my image. My name is still on the ever associated with the Armstrong incident. I didn't really like not to be honest because for me. It was a very unpleasant episode that damaged my career. I didn't gain anything from it. And in fact a lost a lot saying no. I don't like being remembered for that. I'd like to be remembered as guy he went important things. Who's a decent writer who could have won even more? I know that I have nothing to reproach myself either that day. Or when testified against Ferrari I know deep down that I was honest that I was right and other people also know that I can hold my head high. I have no skeletons in my closet but on the other hand in the society that we live in people who put up a facade who could actors thrive whereas only straight talkers are often cost aside. Basta regrets. I have but it doesn't matter. I'm just happy to have made an important contribution. I'm perhaps in a few years when I'm no longer around that contribution will be recognized. Two sons one sixteen nine. The sixteen year old inherited my love of cycling also racist without any pressure for me huge ambition to achieve anything. He just does it out of passion. I'm happy about that. Because fundamentally is a healthy sport that can instill good values help a kid to grow and form the character but yes. He knows what happened because kids today can find out anything on the Internet. I also watched about him on cheap. Well he didn't particularly quiz me about Hill Foam designing opinion. And I left him to that because I don't feel particularly comfortable talking to him about a so. Chop stuff is a little clip from our Kim. Two Zero. Last year I met up with Filippo Simeoni near his house in set sail. Which is in lots your the time-trial today Starts in pre chair which is just in lots. Your and we're GonNa Finish in somebody are and as I said earlier. Sort of IT'S A. It's an to the the victims of the terrible earthquake that took place. There are several months while there were several several quakes and aftershocks took place between August. Two Thousand Sixteen in early two thousand seventeen and again much like yesterday we talked about the La Earthquake. You know the the legacy of that Disaster still very much fell in those regions some rural communities where people lost their homes and livelihood. Santa unfortunately it's a bit of a theme of of life in that region of all those parts of central hospital over the last few decades very regular earthquakes often We don't hear about them not reported internationally. But there's an awful lot of seismic activity. Sismi is that the right pronunciation is not if it's not correct you don't you don't you. Don't have to be is is going to to forecast but that's going back a few days. The errors accumulate over about twelve. Stays the people really start to see the holes in our astrologist of course astrologer anyway? What are we talking today? Lionel? It's time-trial days a very appropriate subject. We have we're going back to twenty thirteen and the time trial which went from gabby chair. Moderate TO SELL TARA. It was a stage time trial. And if you lost your mind back to two thousand thirteen. Jiro really kind of stepped up a level in the consciousness of British cycling fans. I think because Bradley wiggins was going into the race as the Tour de France champion and with the stated aim of trying to add the Jiro and well. The the things went wrong wrong for weekend student as the race unfolded and well. That was him done and dusted really as a as a tool contender bought. The day was won by Alex. Dowsett another British rider. Who was riding with a movie star? Team Dow at had a couple of years with team sky and being frustrated not to get an opportunity to write a grand tour so this was his first jared Italia his first grand tour of any type and he set the time and then he had a long after noon waiting to see whether the time would be enough to win the stage and I thought we would review the day. Jiro in particular and what it was like racing for the movie star team that year and Just before our Jira began him on the phone and we had a good chat. Can I just say one thing before? We Cross over to Alex Types. But by that. Because I mean it's a fascinating Interview in an especially. Why tells us that day in particular was supposed to Bradley Wiggins Big Day by remember going to see him at the classics that year his First Year with movie star? And you know. He wasn't classics rider. An shorts some high threadbare the movie star classics options were but he'd been thrown into the classics. If you look at his build up to that Jiro he wrote one time trial at and Andre Article and back in in March and you know in the six weeks or so before the Jiro he rode into our store. Vondra and get welcome to refunders at PYRO. All the classics finished very few only finish scale decrease of all of them so his his preparation for the Jira was remarkably pure from racing. Point of view am which makes his result on the day. All the more stunning really. What do you remember about? The course that day Daniel or the region that that Contra took place neighbors fifty four point eight kilometers and had a little bit of climbing in it. Not Quite as much is at our Jiro today but still a true test for the time trial and for the juicy riders. Yeah but it's a very hilly part of Italy sort of anti know countries that a lot of steep short climbs there and I suppose you know another thing that really makes that result even more impressive fifty four times in the Jiro. That would have sort of got the antenna of the stage specialists who were also time. Try this and that would have got their own ten of buzzing when the route was announced and the Jiro would have attracted and did attract. Try some really good time. Charlie's that year because you know as we know that the the grand tour riders those without based in Grand Tours. That's one of the main criteria which they base their choice. Either Time Charlie Star. I go to the race with the longest time chosen and fifty four kilometer. Time travel is by modern standards very very long so beaten all of the specialists. That day was quite some feet. Well let's hear from Alex. Say there were two hundred one ride at in that time. Trial he was one hundred and sixty third on going into the time-trial stage. So what's that thirty seven? Riders are gone off before him and Well we'll hear from Alex and then we'll probably take a little break for lunch and then we'll hear more from Alex in the second part of the podcast. I think he's still one of the most successful mayor pro us that as hot second year I was told I normally I would have a grand soul and it would be to share and then I think for me. I was wakened that was g those old days grand contenders in the case of taking a knee I pry grand solve is deemed the risk. And they won't going to take a risk So cited lack of experience of anything else. So it's like I get that experience. I had a few options. At the end of my contract and Maulvi style was the one one eight I said like we want you and this is our plan for you and I was. I felt very wanted the so I win and the plan was zero and I was turned stray into it which was which was pretty eye coming and And then and then stage eight happened. Alex Dowsett the Vinciguerra threatening Blizzard and movie stars. Sigui Sell Tara. Maverick companion familiar. The area announcing tabubil delicate differential. Okay Giovanni Speranza. Dvr multi. I'll go meteorologist. Roll back a little bit there. What was I opening about it? I mean the start was in Napoli. I mean it's a a a pretty striking cities it and brought down in the south. I'm sports my certainly football night. was it What was it what you expected the zero to be no and I kind of went in I was applause. I you know. I didn't expect to even stay twice as hard as it was. It was like I knew I my game this year right but everyone had is like guys. I was racing against in so some of the classics. And and you know things like terrain is i. I raised my level for Graham told everyone so I felt like I was. I hadn't moved forwards. That's all I wasn't in grand total shot or who wasn't in a better place for this year was simply in the same place. Everyone else is just that everyone advice they gained by a couple of percent Said I even not fast. Two three out round Napoli was was harder. I'm becoming out of it thinking like God. I'll go three weeks of this. And then the next day was a team time trial and a really excellent result for your team and everyone all is really were on Bradley wiggins. Of course that the Tour de France champion from the previous year and he'd made a big thing over the team had made a big thing about going to the. Jiro hoping to win But for your team to get I nine seconds. Was that right behind the team scholar in the in the TNT on trial I mean how did that guy go yeah. I remember biblically. Difficult as we start. THEY ATTACK. A team time trial. I think that was strength. That's why we did Siwela's of tactic but that meant a bunch of climate may attack him as climbs on I just remember it being really struggling to hang on and especially on the NAS crime there. Yeah I was into want the day off the actually stay straight. Because Salvatore Puccio was he was an elitist. Janke was leading the young rider's Jersey and I ended up in second young rider so I was in the white jazzy for Which was the pulse. Myths have designed it as well and as a pretty crazy had told Smith came to the team bus day in so shout in my name to to make the call now and just really so realize. You're in the big time. Then I'm what did you make of of I mean? Obviously you'd have you'd have raced in Italy. You'd you'd as a as an under twenty three as well. I guess was that something. Yeah we're talking about the recent post here but was anything about Italy in racing in Italy. The foul any different to anywhere else. Just Hey can really writing zero providing the under twenty straight so amit sane in today because it just a grand tour is so much bigger in every aspect I the clouds the way every town shots down and embraces embraces rice. It's I mean is it always be quite beyond when you go to. I think we climbed out the rights that we didn't capita which was a famous under twenty. Three Italian raised the Kenya corn. And it was kind of Seville. Okay how far? I wonder how fast we gather not this crime now compared to what we would do in the under twenty. Three's This how. The public embraced. It was always always very coli ready. Felt your something something. Quite spectacular and the two or three days before the time trial which came towards the end of the first week didn't think it was There's still one more stage before arrestee but you're getting a week of grant or in your legs. I mean how were you feeling on sort of six stage seven tie tie it but I was like okay? Oh so I accommodate remember anything significant so I think nothing gave me a huge amount of trouble. Nothing really scared me until the final wake-up Jalen I to everything okay and we had we had that state seven which was the stage adamant one which is the profile was like or youth is yeah solters titled Lots of Show Show Shop Crimes and and we've done a very similar stage in in Torino that year where I think actually the group. Eta ended up walking off a crime and I kind of ex addict sated my own expectations by still being kind of a great that was still rising twenty years ago. Kind of jokes because tyler for our still there and looked at me as well. You still doing here. I said exactly the same thing back to him. And we love. Awakens crashed on that stage incited. I often Awful the final downhills and I was sliding quits. On the nightside at heightened allston vital towards may and lost sliding Asked me if I was on? Why whites it sorta barrier connected me and then jump back up and carried on Hanson. Leads up front and the role the riders there. There's big gaps between them. Let's get another shot of this and Santa just pushing too hard on frustration. The only thing you will say about this is that this summit will group on the roads that sadly the the writers will slide. A bit isn't quite the same rush but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt no but sell seems to be sliding out very very easily down. You know. Those are the other as getting around there. Hundred is going down to same race. I don't always these these titles or as teachers can in the corn on if you panic and you hope you blacks riders Dan once more and they're like we proudly wiggins this down once more this well he has been looking perhaps a little bit nervous any has been enjoying this stage. You can be sure about it and a bit slow to get going here. He's well thought the three point to remember so he needs to try and get back on terms with the overall contenders so then the time stage. I was there a sentence from the team. Okay on exists. This is your this is your day and for yourself was a a sense so you you know you've missed the grand tour Team sky and this was a real challenge to show and I mean how. How are you feeling when you when you woke up and and You know on on the way to the stage of that none of that Let's say it was very much. Moulvi Start said the aimed for this year. I was just to get through. It may toler who's they treat it like a hits his race you're doing there was zero pressure whatsoever that T- T for for anything and it's Nice because my team night Ben. Yeah Chelsea was in pig judge for so kind of focus on spoken to a couple of days prior to the time trial and he said it was going to be like a win by minutes rather than seconds the gaps. We're going to be big because of how hot it was a slow. Tell me evacuated and been out in Britain and whatnot. No idea I was going into very blind Linda about it like with the not ready which is a youngster wasn't wasn't wasn't as professional says. I would attack at Time Chow now. So that wasn't even an opportunity to to ricky the court in the morning or go round in teen carb or to the peak in Chomsky's preps for the stage it was just basically roll up to the Star House and say what I did to homework because I hadn't Satan the colts until I waited sponsored by Esau ran at the time and I had in my kit by gum and one of the older government hundreds within that function and I asked the mechanics to take the lead in. And just next to my. I saw him on the underboss a lot screens in front of me. But what I've done is I've put the the something that we do a lot. Now by the map in the gum in map said I could say older corners. infest Twenty Five K. Because the first twenty five The coolest was split into positive five K. Second Twenty Five K. N. K. Climb to the Finish and twenty five K. Was very up and down very twisty very tiny happens. Lot of foss coolness a help to note and I was Can Wilson staying in that was put in my maps so it could drive around the corner before I get that so I had that a team time to blind eye thankfully to that was a gunman on handlebars. I got to the first thirteen kilometers of it in the morning but because it was point to point we couldn't get old lights finish in another site. Do you want to fifty five cable folder. During her fifty five K. Tae in the middle of Granville. Our Second Twenty Five K. Was Pretty simple just long straight. Sections wasn't too wasn't take complicated so That's all I did for. I guess and I think I've counted up with the forty fourth rider off so probably in I would that make an hour and a half. I guess if it was a couple of minute intervals just one minute one minute into the guy and I mean a few sort of time lists names kind of jump out at me. Who'd gone off before you put at various different stages of their careers. But David Miller Jack Bob Rich Who Else Swain toothed We when when you go you you all you mentioned about how wh- winning by minute. It was close at the top end. But but I only fourteen. Riders Thirteen riders within within. Two minutes of you so When you set off and you'll get time getting any time Information as you're going round where you just wouldn't just focusing on your on your performance in the field of that performance and funny thing is still very new to Spanish and let's say in behind was all in Spanish so I think I was doing my own saying a I into media so tight affiliates at three minutes out of me. I had no clue house going. I mean I knew number. The Powell was quite good. I wasn't bad and they My heart rate wasn't coming out but I kind of expected given given a stage eight grandchildren not that I knew this time because it was my first grand toll was struggling out over one sixty which normally annotate say should be in the one But kinda just plotted on to the first intermediate so often. The technical section team came down the radio to tell me that I was a minute and a half ahead of title Finnick. Now I translate that as a minute and a half trying to chill in. My head lost my limit translated as site. It's a minute and a half like I'm in second position and a half behind tyler. Phinney thinking Christ. He's flying and I thought. Oh maybe I should just shut this down. Now invite steady to the finish. Save it because we still like still go took sides of a grand tour today Actually as ideas in behind as the big boss. I've never shut down. Time travel full this point. Now's the time to stop. We'll we'll just soldier on to the end full tail and then another kind of sixteen k. On the road and I see. Emc Eighteen car and my initial thought was I. There's no I know Adams Glide. There's no time child but there is no way I'll call him fourteen minutes and if I have. He's in trouble the time by a long way her soul that it was a very toll out bligh's also not China and I was like. Oh you must be a minute and a half ahead. That's a vessel Spanish Maine's for that and yes then just saw-power Donovan. I've tossed Taylor for three minutes and carried onto the finished and it was just. It's difficult. I think if something like that was to happen now I would be follower ecstatic about it than I was because I was just kind of it was so cited new Unfamiliar I kind of didn't give grand tolls that credit. They deserve in terms of stature and significance. Decide I asked on late in the stage of Granville. Sifi this cold. But there's some big Bay cases included in wiggins to come and wiggins told me basically that he'll someone who's GonNa win by minute so like the big boys that come in and say oftens so what was the protocol back then was kind of the hot seat that we're more familiar with now. Had they started doing that? What did he do once you once? You crossed the line and you got to sit and say white. I'm not sure anything. I've already had a recovery drink but my dad insist with which is pretty cool. Mom Blessed Awfully confused and shared on team Guy Ryder on the final. Climb and can it was made Suit claims the teams through that sold placing way too much time. Come in and I think it was a good to off house assumption. Absurd to whites and he of got us to see and wrestle. Mom was the final climate. And out on that. It's going to take to get to the top so you could kind of predict when they were going to come in. And what times I got few scattered late. I think went Sir. Technical Technical Section foster than I did which five and my character time We ought to be messaged me and said don't worry he'll he'll slow down on the long straight. That's which yeah and obviously I mean the main ones we went and full. Them's nearly waking. Generally counterparts is at the first intermediate split. Wiggins is add on course Dowsett leads in the early stages Friday weekends negotiates and now they're downhill left hand hairpin and works his way immediately into a very very bumpy right hander as he's managing to stay upright on his really citing is way through the fields. He's passed several of the riders. That started ahead of already. Daniela Danilo DELUCA. Sergio ain't now WILCO. Kelderman made way for Wiggins as he is Powering around this course chasing the time. The benchmark time set by the Early leader Onyx dosen around from Essex. They Sakhalin podcast at our d'italia is supported by sciences sciences. Sport fueled by science. Thank you very indeed to scientists for our longest standing supporters. All the way by the twenty sixteen and you can get twenty five percent off all your scientists sport products scientists sport dot com with the code. Daniel SISSIES MIC CITIZEN SEISMIC ACTIVITY S. Cool very close. Cpi twenty-five remember that Daniel. Because I will test you again. Another few days Sa. Cpi Twenty five scientists sport dot Com and speaking of feeling well speaking of fuelling. That's lunch isn't it? Traps and Daniel. We started our time trial in Ama- tree this morning women while we were in the Rome region of Italy too great dishes too great past issues on which you team. Carbonaro or team. I'm Triana and we'd have to be a method of China really like we've talked about this before. Haven't we have this deep implicit mistrust of anyone? Who LIKES EGGS? Anyone who he takes and we'll though when mixed in as they are in Carbonaro doesn't really pose many no no eggs. It'll just double double. How Hammond Mush well? Let's onions dare. Let's get the definitive fraud anyway. What's going to say that China but but both sort of Roman dishes associated with Roman Rome in Italy is a bit of kind of the bastard child of Italian cuisine. Not really noted for its. It's great food. Although there's they're quite famous Roman dishes Sultan buckeyes another one. Well let's get the definitive on both Carbonaro. Matrouh Tsiana from Felicity Cloak Award winning food writer for Guardian and the author of one more question for the road and well she definitely knows what goes in both dishes in a restaurant. So and I'm John and almost certainly saying wrong. I'm going to disclose your head. His I am not the biggest. Fan of 'em Jonah Indefinitely Team Carbonara. Actually very simple dishes. A Jonah is from the Brits sold out it's now very commonly found in Rome Brought by immigrants in Everett Sir and Carbonara is more of a Roman specialty. That is very very Like many Italian classic simple dishes that would have been made what what was behind? The Legend is the Carbonaro was created by Choco vendors in the hills of Rome with the stuff that used to take out On NASA the chocolate opening expeditions themselves traditionally contained stride past the X. And Charlie which is the kid cheek so that you can use If if you're not Raymond e canoes any kind of Kid. Poke really and cheese. I The pechory. No Romano or Parmesan or I think makes sure boasts and together and looks of black pepper. a clay to the police the CARBONARA NINE. She comes from older black. Catholics bit like charcoal but is disputed metric. Kiana is again. It's got to challenge the kids Cork Cheek Instead of the Exit Scott Tomatoes. And then it's got pechory. No cheese again said very simple Carbonaro is generally or. They're not always such was spaghetti or say find it and other shapes. Kiana is generally with Bucatini which is another of my problems with books. Teeny is that sort of long. Spaghetti night pastor but it's hollow in the center Am so any sort of suck up pieces over you end up kind of whistling in signing up at as well looking ridiculous So I think that that's mostly might be with it that both delicious dishes I'm going to go with the Carbonara that's my team now. These are two dishes that should be made with Charlotte. But I was unable to source some Panjeta in the supermarkets during lockdown. That's an authentic enough substitution. Both very simple dishes the amateur Jonah obviously has a chili flakes in it. Giving a little bit of a kick. The CARBONARO was while it was delicious. Mixing the cheese with the egg yolks and keeping that warm over the past the water. And then stirring the pastor into the egg yolk. That was a bit of the technique that I had to kind of learn and the that was a mystery to me before. How how do you get that kind of glossy sheen on the pastor and the mix of the Bacon the Saudi Bacon and the egg was absolutely perfect? So for me the Kabanov wins. But what do you reckon? Just using your is to judge the two tissues facially. I'm going to say unfortunately the A metre China China. How you manage this like a handful of pasta but I will say the on night you get source coverage and the time Chester Delicious Presentation and the governor. I think is strong if it hadn't collapsed the Roman Ruins Let to as a is so spread out on the plate and I to me that was also the winner in really Had Golden California eight six and the bits of Campbell's accurate which oversee the risk with Carbonaro? You end up cooking the eggs too much. And I couldn't hardly as I try nine. I could not Protectively business each wiggins in sales guest the roars of support. He's got fifty. Two seconds to close on. Extension of course is not a general classification specification contender so from wiggins point of view. It's all about how he does against the other guys but there will be a level of concern there because even though he knows that said is a tough time. Triallist is really coming into his form. Still he knows that perhaps With his reputation on his cameras that he ought to be able to beat. That so would suggest that that's going to be target time. These separate APPs worrying moments he'd be made aware of his deficit at the First Intermediate Smith. Point tally reacts. That's going to be the big question for Bradley wiggins course not knowing the other you know. Because he's not starting last or close to the end he doesn't have the advantage of knowing what the other general classifications are doing it. On course ten zone near Valley will though because there's only one man to start after him this five seconds on overall classification time between himself and Ben yet show STI. Could this be the time that From Sicily finally provides far zero tally. So when when we came because he was a little bit down on. Gmc compared to way probably wanted to be. I think nearly going into the stage was second on G. He may well have been the last man to actually cross the line if he caught in House. Guy. I'm not sure whether he did or not but wiggins coming in ten seconds Counting down from Kilometer out you have been slightly hall in mouth because it's not a huge margin. It's close enough to call a bit of discomfort. I think of Boston or decline. I had fifty seconds on wiggins ice. Finish to the Boston. I would have been a comfortable win. wiggins flew up that final crime and suddenly came. I think we soul with the five hundred and four hundred mates amok. 'cause I think I'm quite sure was still got this two weekends. Which was that was a real wages. Cost the lineup. She'll be because we crossed the line around a similar time to neighborly going through the first intimate soup return wiggins Christ actually office and then Nibley crossed the line is. I don't county chicken jet 'cause nibbling when you're the first wiggins when he be able to beat the time of I said it looks like it's going to be a little bit beyond I'm here comes the talking down the time. We'll be thrilled and relieved that he lost a little bit longer. But still it's an impressive performance by Bradley wiggins heads across the finish line to complete the individual time trial second-fastest time of Alex stone sets so good effort from Bradley wiggins in quite a bit closer indeed than he was the first intermediate split after taking a bike change after that Ernie puncture treatment areas because up until that point movie star since we started started sponsoring they at least one stage of every single grandchil- taken in an I had effectively fulfilled. This quotes a takes thirteen year and say to the site. Join a gun which he made. This is why you WanNa stay any finish now. You can just see like this is still my grand tour owner. I WANNA get round. He's okay well if you didn't WanNa got just now this is surreal. And which did it cross your mind at all you know must be quite well the I stood traditionally signing the last decade or so and probably always been the one where you know the last week tends to be brutally hard. I think that year was no different There was never a moment when he thought well I have. I have ticked off a stage where I will. We'll save myself. There was a determination to get to the finish that came from within But I never put any pressure on Mason. Do Anything not rice and I was. It was very much. This is just another rice And we had a real Kotane that I think the VISCONTI won two stages in Chelsea one stage wore the pink Jersey the white Jazzy Visconti. I think one king unannounced Josie and I we did. We did very well as a team and so it was just. It was a lot of fun to be a part of an and I remember. That was only one nine hundred sixty two. How race soul? I'm in. I'm in trouble with not finishing hair. That was early on in in the final wake was out the backwoods Jesse Sergent and we were just is chopping office or four hundred fifty five hundred waltz. China stay within Dutch until the the bench. Calm down and just kind of go into a size price and run into in the group. is is very proud of finished is that was to me as at a time and that was a significant as winning stage Most excited really understand the significance of winning the stage of a grand tour. I mean it's two thousand twenty where we're still talking about it. I ain't got. Thomas sent me a message like get an I would wait. We don't honor to talks. Had We want on the academy together? We had across hadn't crossed much and we haven't raised much together in sky. Roy's on different vice programs. He sent me a message out. The Blue and just congratulated congratulates her message in a typical Gary Thomas Fashion which was I done one hundred grand stages and never one woman. You've managed to do it and I. I well down but aside. I saw something sarcastic. Surreal as I just a understand how significant it was until I went on as people. Keep saying that you are grand total stage winner. You WanNa stay grand tour and not an insignificant Fifty Five K. Time-trial is insignificant. Wants to win. There's no luck to Yeah it's switch into The the Talian aspect of it. I mean you were riding Pinerolo bikes that. Yeah well you did things that matter to the riders affect you. I mean Pinera is. It's one of the marquee names of Italian cycling isn't it? I mean and there are so many you know. Call Knock Archie. Nearly all of the All of the clothing and equipment brands company Santini. And so I mean the list goes on but does that make any difference to you as a rider. The you you were riding on Italian brand not really I mean I. I was quite substrates. It with the stipulation because an Skyro- on Panorama as well way it was a two fold thing. I was on Pinerolo at team sky as well as a movie star and we had A. We had handlebar sponsor team sky foot for the old Pinerolo growl team. Sky had recognized that the integrated handlebars gooder so they gone about on white to make their own bars which were similar to what you used to say on the team. Gb Try UK sports track Baas which a phenomenal and then went time because they had a handle boss. Search I think was vision. The original Grill Integrated Baas taken off. Something worse was on her so I felt from sky. Start actually taken a backward step in how good Matteo Bite was and on top of that. I think sky had worked on the Belaid. And just come out and we were looking at an and it was the last year the movie star thirteen years and that was the last year and I think it relooked well skype using in terms of time shop is these late and I a growl with cables. Fine out everywhere and just eric dynamically no good a toll Holloway. How Well Toll Tame who wins? I think my one best team a few years running time or certainly when I was with them their best team every year One is that how we got. The same sponsors is team sky yet. We are on far inferior bikes. And as I can against punted in Taytay and paper are he knows more than ten seconds. Jude's punch here and I was like about his bike to nine knowing what we know now about dynamics that's not insignificant so I mean it's fine I I one but if we if they could. It took the bike. So here's confirmation of the finishing order of the stage time-trial extensive takes his first grand tour. Stage victory ahead of his fellow countrymen Bradley Wiggins just ten seconds between them tunnel concert with a surprise but very impressive third-place for the Astana quo. Just fourteen seconds behind. Jen's on will be thrilled to just eleven seconds to Bradley Wiggins finishing fourth overall ahead of clements dirge Evans good performance for him in seventh place. Less than forty seconds behind deficit. Less than half a minute behind Evans Manuela Bora came up with a good good one as we half expected. Sergio out I was a great time trump performance for him within a minute off the winner. Kelly Scarponi to be satisfied with his afternoon's work of you spend a lot of time in Italy away from racing with the Academy based When you were You know when you agent of you if you have golden state with State with anyone in in Italy for a mini training camp. Whatever our state with CAP for a couple of weeks after my collarbone before the IRA called Has Gone I'd say there's no not the first time I actually got to enjoy today because the academy. It wasn't an enjoyment. It was a two and a half summa's of training camp Close confinement with guys that you will racing waves but also against it wasn't it was a really tough environment to exist in on you appreciate the the environment With some of the oddest is my career outside and No three the not necessarily through the bike riding adding scholars chiming back then. There was not much variation in terms of the right. She did if you were doing this style. You know these efforts using on these rights and it was always very much the same whether it'd be not just all today so We didn't really got exploring much. Which now it's you so now if you're on a five hour ride your desperately trying to find roads that you've never done before. So I never natural thing Switzerland holiday and never had the chance to get in. My sister went to It's Leona humming married and lie why I think all of my memories are gates. They involve a hard work and biblical times. Well Alex sit there remembering props? His biggest success was his record as well would would come into the reckoning. Really some fascinating detail there from Alex by the day and his failure to recognize the course not failure on his part. But just you know the the the attention to detail a movie star on for him. Not perhaps it might have been an alert teams and you know they quit site of very interesting to the fact that he maybe didn't really appreciate our realize at the time. Just a big deal. Winning a sage of GRUNTER was really fascinating but also fascinating that they of course because as you said earlier on Lionel that was really the lost of Bradley. Wiggins is a grunter contender. It was the last grand tour. He ever wrote a few weeks later and he still had a knee problem but he was quite controversially omitted from the team sky team for France and he was the defending champion. Of course that was a huge news at the time and those are sort of Echo of now in twenty twenty With the deterred Franz happens this year egging. Bernal would go as defending champion and the young kind of Star on team any US on Chris as the four-time winner and woods as burnt. Also a big stretch right and it's clear that frame is not very happy about this. I think that's become clear over the last few days. And there's even talk of of him moving teams he's contracts and end the air some talk of a mid season transfer COUNC- team many US allowing that the parallels with twenty thirteen are very striking. Aren't they because there is once again? It's our his sentiment here you know. There's no sort of a real doesn't seem like there's an awful lot of sentiment around from and whether he deserves to go back to the tour in leader's position it's all a by his. You got the best chance of winning the race. Obviously while what goes around comes around in professional sport doesn't it one day your the coming man. In a few days later in the grand scheme of things you are the fading fourth and one thing that team sky now teaming Yasser Toys down his selected without any sentiment as say rich. They have gone with whoever will. Give them the best opportunity of winning the race and Even when there's been this kind of hedging of bets publicly voice had a sense. They know exactly what they're doing when it comes to. Who has priority And how they're gonNA play things on the road and if you were looking at it from from a distance even given the additional recovery time that firm has to come back from that terrible crash breaking time-trial course at the last June You know he had very very little competition only a few days. The tour in February before racing came to a halt. And so if you were just looking at it purely on. Who's the better bet? Surely Agam Banal is the better bet now and next year. Just as Chris Room was the better bet in July two thousand thirteen. It's not like It's without precedent is it. I suppose everything's consider chops is the relative value. Af- room to well both any and a new team. I mean it strikes me that he would almost be worth more to a new team than he would be any US and he's price yeah. He would justify a higher contract to a new team purely on the basis of the kind of publicity the mileage that could be could be quad from from signing him Av Av stay just signed another contract renewal any audits more the same you know. He's probably not going to be as strong as he was two or three years ago. But if he does go to for example a Bahrain they've been mooted or in Israel. Then you know it's a huge. It's a huge story. Whether he he goes on to succeed and thrive on not and you know he and any arson and whichever team is interested in signing him. They'll be thinking in those terms. You know how much how much are they going to get for their full? That book talking of Bang for Bar. I mean I'm not I'm not indulging in a conspiracy theory here about you know. Cycling is in sports pages very much at the moment is there's no racing going on. Teams are all desperate for some coverage for that sponsors. I mean know it. It generated some headlines for cycling. It could just be it. Could be a big ruse to create interest and intrigue. Who Darn when I heard about the links barring McLaren. Just thought minded in a immediately Crossed the Basque country and poodle. Mikhail landed on the other. The other thing there. The those the Bahrain McLaren right is all taken pay seventy and I wonder how they would feel if it was true that the team is in negotiations to sign Christopher and presumably on a million pound contract. I can't see team many US allowing him to leave in order to ride the third France for another team. This this too much risk in that for all the Free Mobile thirty-five and he's coming back from very serious crash last year. There's nothing really. They don't need the money that there's nothing really for them to to gain. I more likely scenario to me is that from his left. Out of the team for the France and an even worse. Come for him. I would think than going there at offensively and support of egging burnout. Given anything can happen to a grand jury. Contender wants the race stars. So speculation isn't that to some extent but it does seem it does seem to be the case. I mean like you say the parallels with twenty thirteen are very striking indeed and it was. It was and we'll always end this way. I think for know in ten years it'll be bernal and if the team still around there'll be someone else an burnell will be forced the door. Some with hindsight reach thinking about two thousand thirteen. I think he'd probably struck us then. And if you'd also then we would have said the same thing but it certainly strikes me now with hindsight the weekends and the jury tell you what was going to be difficult uncomfortable. Because the Jiro as a race. That's more difficult to control the Tour de France. The ride is our less familiar with the roads. The roads are not. I mean the international riders. The the roads are not as as good in a lot of cases. There are more climbs and there were there were more. Don't appear on obvious on the road book and it's a kind of a race. The sort of suits sort of feline kind of reactive ride. Who isn't writing to a well defined plan to Sara Lee and it's in total contrast to the the way the sky road and wiggins one two thousand Thirteen Tour de France. They turned it into basically a long time. I mean that's I'm sure anyone involved at Sky. Listen to that would think that was blasphemous. But that was certainly how it looked from the outside. Well in two thousand thirteen zero sky and wiggins did well in the team time-trial they wanted and we had a very good day in the time traveller. He didn't win it but it was still a good ride. It was when it was way it was when it was. You know. Nali didn't like the descendants very much they were the days that gave him the the difficult season and put him right on the back foot. One they handle right speaking of team time trials line. We've got somebody else coming up this week. Haven't we from the team time trial in the following years? Jiro twenty fourteen. We have indeed. Yeah Mitch Dockers Life. The PELETON will be released on Wednesday for anyone who remembers a twenty fourteen. Jiro started in Belfast and then had staged finished in Dublin before they transfer back to Italy and the Orca Green Team won the team. Time trial on that Friday. Evening in Belfast. Swine Turfed had the Pink Jersey. Mitch Daca with part of that team. And they had a heck of a first week or so because they defended the Pink Jersey when transferred to the show did of their teammate. Michael Matthew Matthewson one another staged I had a real event for week and he has got that band of brothers back together. He spoken to as many of his teammates as he can. For sort of oral history of the two thousand fourteen jared Italian so that's one to look out for. I think that's going to be pretty special. What we're go coming up tomorrow. Lionel stage eleven. Where in Tuscany Daniel? I'm we I'm we are growing. Tuscany Grace Tuscany for the purposes of our wine. Were drinking very nice bottle of wine. I believe when we get Tuscany. You say that as it may already be open breathing and slipping down your neck. Nyu Line Eerie here. Either I also get that sense. I don't know what it is. No no just Just put I just. I just held the bottle up in front of our a well-known wind up and saw that it was quite expensive very unsophisticated but anyway the the episode itself will be an interview with Max She Andrea. Vote for voice to podcast listeners. Especially at the Jira. Could tends to be director. Jiro most recently for Mavi Star Enrich. Akara passed last year. But maxine Andy Son of Tuscany son of Darby Son Los Angeles. We'll find out all about that. Friends of Robert Deniro. He'd yes well we'll find out what the link between mcsherry Robert Deniro ways and Let's sort of a sort of a lunch with interview done phone of course because we can't go anywhere at the moment or we couldn't win we're not conducted by a great. It's a great listener. I don't WanNA spoil 'em a stroke made at the start. Lind's feud Lionel Max just dropped his three year old son off his bike and just fallen off the back of his bike and maxime quite grateful to have a diversion from picking up the pieces from palm and Napalm. You and I must be very careful tomorrow because we starting in Umbria and try we. I'm going past. Sec locks on. We were in that area We had a bit of trouble with the bill. Didn't we and they never contacted as never followed up their investigation following the theme from his police raid in season on our hotel in two thousand eighteen. But tomorrow might be. They might spy their opportunity. We might have our collars felt until tomorrow. Thank you very much lionel. Thank you Richard. Thank you you stay safe. Stay safe again tonight. Again is our friend Francois Tommaso tribute has musical tribute to Lionel Bernese. Much missed outside the team bus feature. This is a song and it's implied by his outside the bus series that everybody reminds everybody. Remembers School team. Bus To bus. Wet and misconduct bus goes. He stays this come soon all that. So then record used by I would see weights in the voice which loading Sarah's has were both some reading that's the the All star series of how we came. I beds showcasing sub to serve you too every morning. Waiting in your cell were both in some ways. It's this they is there. As SCUM CHAMBAS DOES ESSAYS. Scum own recall never used by oldest. She's lying on hope. You like my little song.

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"You're listening to the cycling PODCAST FEMINA brought to you by I walker flexible loans built for small businesses joined fifty thousand customers taking life twists and turns and scaling new heights with I. Walk. If you're on a business find out more I walker DOT CO DOT UK that's I W OTC Dot Co dot UK. Hello. My Name's Moore I'm with Rose Manley Hello Richard I'm trying to be quick and the oilers Shinui. Okay. All right. All right. Okay read we don't have to be abrupt and quick, and there is a bad time pressure. please. Welcome to this September sort of broadcast Femina. In this episode, we will have A. It'd be bump prep because we got lizzie banks as Gerusa diary, and which is A. While she did a diary I last year it was brilliant not release friends. The podcasts were including in the in the regular second podcast feminists month is a great listen. So that's coming up in before then. We've got the world championship road racing time trial to talk about briefly and the Rosa as well, and but we will we will try to won't we both of you? Yes. Dilly dally necessarily. Thing we we never go off on a tangent. Know How are. How are you both? You. Want us to speed up in the. Question like that I always talk. If you want to like if you want to go off at a tangent, it's fine because people can always put you on one and a half speed can't they WanNa. Speed through this then day. But if you wanted to know how we are. Then, I'm well, thank you very much. Thank you. Very. Well. There you go. Talk. Half speed they'll really. They'll help ID. That's my problem. Richard we don't ask. Yeah I'm okay. Thank you. Just back from the third of France, the star of the week We'd all in normal circumstances have been there. Wouldn't we bought unfortunately this year was a bit different. So we weren't. We weren't all layer m were the benefits to that I mean th the Jerusalem was on and we'll talk about that in a bit and we could watch bits of it. Did you find I find one thing about being even being the tour not. Having the usual access to writers men are actually watch the race a lot more closely than I normally that's very store time to do that. Yeah. It was nice to get to sit and watch it but you don't get the what I can't believe is when you're watching the broadcast, how officer the race finishes how quickly. Everything finishes when you're there. And the race finishes it just goes on forever. There's like. Interviews and there's the podiums may drag on and then clearing up he don't actually leave the top of a mountain for about four or five hours after the racist finished. So every time when it was just race finish the interview off Air I. Felt a bit kind of bereft while it was always the way with all of we. Didn't come straight after it. Should we see how much were watching a very good. Points for rose alike it it doesn't following strategy enjoyed parts of it. And I dated like taking a step back from it and I felt that I was able to pay a lot more attention to the racing which signs ridiculous all those things you're talking about rose in terms of getting off a mindset and trying to get dinner and traveling around, and you know circumnavigating road closures to get to raise at the start means that so much of your time and mental energy is eaten up by the time you get to start the race on then while. The racing's on you've got to work where you can get your lunch. You've got to work out where the toilets are that day. You've got to maneuver three and the police checks every time that you want to go anywhere, and so you're watching on your phone, but you're always just half watching I did really enjoy setting and watching the race and also paying attention I think to other issues, wider issues, concussion whatever. And there was much more of a chance to pay attention to what was happening. GERUSA. I. Just missed the crack though I can't lie. I mean all of that was great. I just love being there and I love getting under the skin of their Raya, saying and I love. My Log, who's your daughter? Marie and you know. It would have been different actually had had the Arosa Been Live. It would have been different wouldn't it because then we could have watched both. We wouldn't have got more you know. The there was no more. Coverage than what you can watch after the fronts finished. Anyway, we control over over-bureaucratic nerve. Make up for that. Yeah. But only in a time limited way. Salutes. Glasses yes the. Anyway we we all watched the women's road race today World Championships maybe. Maybe maybe we're if we're a bit. Maybe because. It wasn't. It wasn't a spectacle that we would have liked. I don't think we're all a bit. I don't know just it was just a bit predictable wasn't a. Predictable, well, it was predictable from forty kilometers i. About, I didn't think anybody would have said you know uneven Brian was neil dawn to win it but we've been so overwhelmingly spoilt with brilliant racing action since the season restart it has really given me a fire in my belly and I've been I've been just falling in love with women's racing in particular all over again, and so the contrast I think is all the more remarkable this year because of the kind of aggressive unpredictable spark erasing that we've had today was a throwback because i. Was Literally, it was pretty much you on the two thousand eighteen. World. Championship. But yeah, it wasn't. There was none of the glued to your seat until the better and it was totally deserved though we should say you know who? I think also. We also get kind of spoiled with these long range solo attacks. Don't we women citing she meant cycling someone when our? Columnist from the end and Solo the way it would be like this remarkable performance, it would be but. Royston and Anna Vanderberg both stu these mega mega solo tax and they die is how they win and I. Think we kind of get used to seeing the time whereas at action the men's side of cycling. You really don't when someone does it like Remco van pool does it everyone's like, wow the new eddie mocks blah blah. Blah you know it's we get spoiled that way. Yeah. It's become a trend at the world championships. Years hasn't it partly because of the strong Dutch team, but we get on to that. Do you have a new up for? US Solo I do I just want very briefly to say something about the world's while we're saying the last forty kilometers went the most exciting. It's about as good. An argument as you can have for broadcasting the entirety of a woman's raise. The only saw the last fifteen minutes of that. You would think it was the Dulles Sport imaginable and you missed, oh, all the different attacks in different. Action throughout the race so Yeah, more live coverage all the way through. Thank you very much. Right to the news roundup. Then race is helping like London buses on steroids it for months, and then we get run over by. It seems a shame to be cramming into one lined up when we've had such spectacular reacing as I said but here we go and the the pre deploy way that's that's where we stand. We start but we start yeah. Because it started last month. Well, it was one in sensational fashion by the writer who was a subject of a lot of chat. In an earlier episode as to whether, she could win again lizzy diagnosed with a sprint between the two. He's with Lizzie banks finishing second with Kiara Concerning Volker, traveling service winning the sprint behind for third. The Europeans and Ana Vanderberg who won the European time trial with her compatriot enemy Luton, felling one of the few gaps in. For the road race at lipped like it wasn't going to be a tough enough. For the world champion Jackie, me win all the more remarkable for me. I thought at least four gainey finished second with Cassio in third chantal von number black finished fourth. She could the dot card for the day. But in the end, they finished with four riders in the top Tan Holy Moly and a phenomenal few days of racing within had lacoste by the the fronts. which finished with one of the most beautiful talent Pathak displays of teamwork I can remember seeing. Ever really if any of your friends don't understand high cycling can be a team sport show them. This finale were longer. Gainey played a blinder in the final sprint for her trek segue Fratto teammate, lizzy diagne, and once again took the win with Marina voles defending champion finishing in second and daime volunteering in third onto the Jira Rosa and of course that I actually really liked this year no Alpine passes but short or more aggressive punchier climbs which I think's it's a wide range of writers. Anna Nebraska took the overall win Cassini, view dome and second and Elissa longer gainey in third stage wins went to track cigarette for the winning team time trial and that meant that longer gaining worthy leader's Pink Jersey for the first time in her career fan bulletin took a stage Marianas took three lizzy banks the longest stage of this year's race. As she did last year even though she says, she doesn't like these extra long stages. Lots of the PECCI took a stage she since on become Belgian jump in at least longer work also stage and Evita. FD A fantastic. First Professional Win for the twenty one year old Frenchwoman. There wasn't a crash on stage seven over the Jira, which is animate funds and Amanda Spratt both of them, needed hospital treatment, Sprott Donald her shoulder suffered concussion and not real to right of the world at where she had finished third last year invalid and fractured her wrist, which we assumed would have ruled her out too. But she raised of course, didn't she with a brace which caused quite a bit of previous controversy we might get onto that we not. Onto the world's when Nebraska has amassed the full range of world titles and then some adding the time trial to well her road race victory of twenty eighteen, and of course, her second refectory today. But Marlin Rooster of Switzerland finished in second she writes keep Paul car this year, and that's one of the biggest results of her career and it was a Dutch one three with Alan. Van Dyke could only stepped in for the injured wlaschin finishing in third. And of course, founder breath doubled up at the world after time trialing for thirty two kilometers thirsty. She did the same for forty kilometers to take the road title and to Repeat Her exploits of twenty eighteen and a very similar fashion even with a fractured wrist and still finished and second Annalisa. Longo Burgundy in third and I here's a fun fact for you e- The Netherlands have. Now. Won Seven of the eight gold medals at the world's since twenty seventeen. Wow boom mic drop. It would be a mic drop except there's one last ps on news roundup, which is, of course that the Rosa has been done graded for next year it is no longer a woman's world to race as of recording there still hasn't been an explanation given, but obviously a lot of speculation. It could be to do with the fact that women's world here. Races are nicer post to have. Forty five minutes of live broadcast or live streaming. The JERUS- very obviously didn't it kind of blamed Corona really a lot of people didn't buy that and and regardless night has been the what has been the woman's grand tour has Ni-. Bain done graded for twenty twenty one. You're listening to the cycling PODCAST. Femina. Brought to you by I walker flexible loans built for small businesses join fifty thousand customers taking on life twists and turns and scaling new heights with I walk. If you're on a business find out more I walker DOT CO DOT UK that's I W. Dot Co? Dot. UK. Thanks very much I walk. Title sponsor to the cycling podcast on this podcast Femina. They've been with us since March and we are very glad to have them on board. If you're on a small business or you know somebody runs a small business and you want to know how I walk can help you with a loan or a symbol coronavirus business interruption loan scheme loan go to I walk DOT CO DOT UK and lots of information there to help you if you run a small business. Now am I said we're watching the world championship. Today we're going to talk about briefly go onto the GERUSA and pedalos to Sharm nominations organise uselessness to volt or not. But the world championship roadways today I mean while the time couple of days ago under Bragan one that. actually that ties into my pedals to Sharm nomination ballgown to that a bit later on. But the I suppose the the not her win was not overshadowed but cloyd idir was the defending champion favorite and had a terrible crash and she was up at the time. So a bit like the Gerusa where Anna Vander Bragan perhaps one because van Luthan crushed. Them here to allow you know she's On. The face of her results shore incredible season. But in those two races, she's passed little bit lucky because amb she may well Nov one year Rosa and she may well not have won the time trial but she did 'em include Eiger had his terrible laceration to the leg though the people around her seem confident that she'll make a full recovery. It was pretty nice. The the road race today. You know a great horse, luke fantastic m very telegenic some beautiful shots but not the most exciting race and the last three years has been a kind of story of which dot schrader will win Alexander Breaker Enemy Luthan, and they did they'll one to today. Didn't they Do you think I mean even in them won the sprint for silver. Medal. And she was competing without Brooklyn. Do you think she'll be happy that she did compete I imagine that she wanted to defend her title in order to try and win the title again or maybe just to to turn up and defend it. I'm always hesitant because I knew that she listens to this and I don't want listening to it and being like. Alter role by. But you know I think given the fact that she said she was. Not Created Controversy I. Think she'll be. Happy enough. Obviously, she would much rather win it but shoeing that she could be competitive and that it was a strong race. You know it's not like she hasn't been beaten by under breaker before it's not like it's going to be an absolute shocker. She would I think being very confident with this course in particular you know she liked it. It was really tough. But, if you're not GONNA win with a fractured wrist, their second is quite good as well. I find the whole controversy to really. Say. Interesting. I'm not sure did find it interesting find a bizarre I think. I completely understand other writers. They have every right to have an opinion on whether another riders should be racing with a fractured rest or not whether that creates any kind of danger or not. But. There were so many people commenting on twitter by whether a world championships was worth risking her health for like anybody would note like any of us would know what a world championships is worth. We've never won a world championships you know and I just think we're so quick. To think an opinion is valid because we can express it when we get that these people actually read and pay attention and. Yeah I just I find it quite distasteful. A number of people sort of getting together and we're bet like this is this is what she should be doing. What she shouldn't be done either no, she see any of. But. Yeah it's a it's a it's a nice kind of unpleasant part of social media that that people presume to know what's best for other people. We don't know the the medical opinion that she. Assault and was given and. I think you know we might not know exactly what it was, but there's no way that you know the Dutch team doctor will let her go and do something that will really damage her I. Mean I think that's also something that people missing you kind of objecting to it is that she's already had surgery on this wrist is not just you know what? We saw this risk going off the funny angle. She doesn't still have that she's gone home. She's had surgery on and actually when it comes to. Sports. Bone breakages. We. As a professional athlete is doing with the best people in the world for getting a quick recovery, it's not like me going out and breaking my wrist and then having to spend eight weeks not doing anything. She's dealing with. Higher qualified doctors no one is gonNA. Let her get on that bike and defend that title if she's not okay to do that. Well, she certainly pure strong defense didn't she? Yeah exactly I mean I think that was clear. Yeah. Go back through Richard to the fact that obviously out of Bret, who won an such incredible fashion. A wee bit unfair to say that she was. Lucky. And she's on the last three races that she's done nine. Those three races have been the Jerusalem onto championships thoughts I mean she should be buying a loss ricardo thoughts lock well. No lucky. But baugh, you know in other circumstances you could have imagined the enemy within would have won the Jiro hunchine crashed and you could have imagined that would have won the time trial and she not crush so that you could have thought that actually the Jira was more Mario says it's her kind of territory this year of course that it was a balloons you know she was certainly a strong contender I think it would have been if. If if the world championships and meek in the road race had been riding for a different team then. I think we might have seen a you know a bit of a more exciting race certainly if not hurting bu but I, think with the Dutch team I mean you could see when. Usually, if Your teammate attacks and gets a bit of distance you can stop entirely. You don't then carry on writing full whack at you know at the same speed as people who are. On other teams trying to bridge a cross you stop. So I think that was kind of like again, like I said, I want to speak Annemie Toba to me that showed that she didn't want people to think that she couldn't have done more. So here's a thought. Should we be separating the Dutch national team and individual nation? stitz. Shared, we have the Republic of. Nebraska taking all the Republic of animated, Vanfleet, and Marianna for. Some sort of a break Adrian that would be fun with. Maybe that was the Dawson does. There's no. Towns and cities, but we do have to say like it wasn't just the Dutch team were incredibly crazy strong. But the other teams I didn't see them like putting in loads of effort to bring it back to be honest I don't feel like those other teams were really. Believing that they could bring on Vanderberg Brigham back and we're really going for the way I feel like there was this kind of concept settling for silver and bronze very quickly in that race you guys though the the problem was in that group behind you hard. Some countries with with two or three riders. But. It wasn't enough I mean. The logistics or the practicalities of getting all these countries to combine. Who's going to WHO's going to benefit from that one rider one country is going to benefit from that in the end and what's in it for the other countries I just is not going to happen the the problem is the am on these very challenging courses I lost year in Harrogate it prompts. That challenging. On a meet five, loosen quite ingenious way you know made it hard. She went I on. You know very early on one of the only way she probably could have won it m but this year and in Innsbruck. They've been very, very selective courses on on those kind of courses is always going to be at the moment on meet. Anna Vanderberg kind of fighting I. You know proving unbeatable as a as a jewel really on a on A. Today's. On unfortunate doesn't make for very exciting racing because the other teams other writers are all really up against and if you're a cecilia blue vague or cash Innovia. Doma or I don't know Audrey, Cordola go in that group behind what do you do? Really what do what do you do? You know especially when you've got when you go anything accounting roses suggests. Mayan. Voss with you in that group and Shantelle black as well. So there's really nothing you can do and when you've got such a strong nation writing. In that way then it's a foregone conclusion unfortunately, the racing, how do you solve a problem like the Dutch choose? It's impossible. But it does surprise me the I mean for me winning the I if of any race winning the winning, the world championships mean so much more than coming second or Third World Championships like the you are the best you wearing the rainbow. Jersey for a year like the is a step beyond any other race. Coming first grape and then people will remember your really gutsy second your gutsy third people remember it. But for me like if he has to test me on who came second and third in order these world championships. Loss here. Who came secondarily Am I right? Yeah I. Wasn't quite last year. Yes. Because she she enemy quiz ahead and then Khloe did this really great attack also solo with. The break and she fade. Commander Spratt. Johnny Four. Just let you continue with. Pan Rose because that was going to be fun. gutsy performance gutsy before I. Remember but. I didn't remember the. Your point you're. Going to retire at the end of next year next year her last year as a writer. Yes I know it's it seems it seems very proud. Though isn't that. But they're not people you know everybody says he don't want to go out with a whimper go out. Of your cheese ready chosen not so it's She's got something very concrete to jump off t you know and something to to work on the next phase of her career I think that's a really got see way to do it. I liked very new esque retiring the same age as well. He retired his thirty second birthday she'll be thirty one when she retires. And Yeah. So well, I was GonNa say, do you think we're at our peak? We should retire. Guess. ORLA. thinking. We're still claiming them. Listen, before we go into JERUSHA 'EM WE, June to France. M. Had a peddler disarm competitions we always do and there were several people at quite rightly said that we should also have a Pedalos to Sharm competition for the Rosa. So we asked Stacey Snider who makes these beautiful cups and mugs to make a pedalos disarm mug 'em she is doing that as we speak Am and we are going to come up with four nominations and put them to our twitter poll at the start of next week. When this episode comes, I tasked to fool 'em before we gone to euros maybe we should hear some nominations. We asked lizzy banks for some ideas as well. Because other, we're able to watch the highlights as we'll hear in her diary. The so much and actually use both ashy movement passer recently am ORLA seeing as well. So much of the racing that we didn't see an weren't able to see so many moments that we missed. So we asked Lizzy for. 'em In coming out with some nominations for pedalos to Sharm. Nominate Grace Brown full Hot Black. Roy because they do the same job on. Radio while. But yeah. Whatever I picked. Rice Full Unrelenting work domestic for enemy By turned Sarah, just always the courses getting the bottles during everything for the leaders and then to everything come crushing down for them on stage seven is just Really, really gutting, but they continued to fly on They didn't give up despite the challenges threat of them. So yeah, that's why I nominated. Someone could also nominate. Nevada loss. For being in the break twice and crush three times four times. Oh, I don't know whatever. But anyway twice being like off the front and then crashing Alvis I actually didn't even really I haven't seen the footage but anyway kept trying she went into the break on stage five on crushed off at just before the finish try Vega and crush. You could also nominate some of the alley writers because. The La riders did dash and then came straight to Forever the Jira so that it's sixty days in a row with while one rest day. But it was like they had to get from the down to southern Italy also Vanderberg, and apparently after she took the Jersey from Kasha Stage Eight she went over to cashier and gave her a hug and said something to the ilk of We can get up a policy lights, the pizzas on me Oh. Yeah and other really cool thing I'll be may, Parkinson and lots of Kentucky saved three puppies from NASA and So they're on the way back off the stage seven to the hotel, and then they saw this sky abandoning these three puppies and they like, what are you doing? He's your dogs and yet they he said, no, no, no dogs now, and then he just like. Like drive off basically like left McAfee and drove off. So they scraped up these three dogs and took the food and then okay. So some food for thought they are from lizzy banks. A my my nomination was always going beyond on evanger and. Because I thought the way that she dealt with inheriting the Pink Jersey off wasn't inherited the Pink Jersey it Wednesday cautionary Duma initially, and then she took it from her and the way that she went in and spoke to her this was captured on camera thought. was reflected very well on her M. And and also Abe partly because. Of the circumstances of her winning the Rosa Suppose I. Am you know I felt there was kind of not question hanging over it you know without Meat Van Bulletin of one. Probably given the lead that she had an and so my my consolation prize down Vanderberg Novice, she needs it now. I feel it's ridiculous. feels you`re This Even even coffee myself. I'm going to stay. For the magnificent way, you have won the three phenomenally difficult races. I'm going to give you a pat on the back. Love. There's Dairy dear. Okay this is a voice from the future after recording this episode and after our chat pedals to Sharm I reflected I hadn't given enough credit lease Longo born Guinea. But Longoria Longo born Guinea deserves credit for not giving up in the road race she eventually got a medal of course I'm an she always writes in a very honest way also for her right at the Jerusalem where she won her first ever stage. I was surprised to hear that but also be struck in the last few weeks by what she's been seeing. Italy on wanting to give her country something to celebrate after it was so hard hit in the first Kiruna virus outbreak in the spring. So Long Barchini is my nomination for pedal to Sharm Soriano Van Bragan but you've always got those two Rainbow Jerseys I have to go for the puppies I just have to. Yeah I'M GONNA go for Abby May Parkinson and lots of CAPAC because who doesn't love a good old puppy rescue? Seriously, my daughter would never forgive me for that if I didn't go for them. So yeah. They get my vote for sure. Well, I'M GONNA go. For. A slightly more racing one as he said, Maria novel. Skyer who's a twenty one year old writer for Kogas mettler look that's a lot of words. She was people remember her because stage six. She did she went. On the break solo attack and she was four km from the finish. Maybe this should be not peddlers shown burt peddlers D-. It's too late stares. He's got the Commissioner Uh Mala is a is that misfortune Mala come on like misfortune? Okay. Maybe issue should be peddlers meller because she slid on a corn with four. K. To go. She had a thirty second lead and that just completely go back on her bike when the pack caught up with her. And you're saying this is not pitiless to Sean but can I add that the next day she went on really long rage attack on stage seven. So she's a Gutsy Ryder, but then also looking on her. Instagram translating some Cyrillic as you do on instagram and I found out that. Her DS volunteers scandal are who remember as a rider just a few years ago for silence and Orca. Had go her a new bike after this happened, and it was in fact, her Pinerolo bike with stabilize. Out on the. Corners. And she took loads a lovely pitch is smiling with these stupid stabilizes stuck out the side and I thought to be a good sport like that and you know. That great chance of winning such a massive thing as a stage of the GIRO's that can be taken away from you and you can still cope. Wanting from buying you a bike with stabilizes on then you're peddlers to Sean? It's nailed on I. I mean Anna Vanderberg doesn't have A. Corner Register. Puppies. Well Yeah. There were a few other suggestions there from 'em from from lizzy. Grace Brian. She mentioned as well as a great domestic and but will will put our nominations to a twitter poll and the lucky winner will get this. Beautiful. Mug and any other thoughts on the jurors. Flossy Kopecky and Park in San Win after of them separate candidates for it to you think. Oh. Controversial and we ought to find out who did more with the puppies. Thoughtless through. No. If they win all take the Mug there we go done. Oh, you're so gracious. I'll take one for the team I mean what? What before we go to Lizzie banks and hear her diary 'em what did we make of Zeros? You mentioned the course Orla you you were a big fan of it. I mean. It I it's funny watching it because of course, the Jira rose has nothing to do with the Jeeter d'italia. It looks very different. It looks you know the finishes were in fiddly little places in in in villages on on prey rough roads, and that was a factor in the crash of, can it loop ray and ready in places and there's been a bit of. Reaction on general reaction against some aspects of it, including the the TV coverage of course, not my also be a factor in its the motion from women's world through status next year. But you know what did you think watching Ed watching what we could watch on telly thought it looked like a really good rhys you know and it's a I don't want to bring in a negative you know. I like the kind of race. How would have absolutely lemon love to watch all the way three because when you hear the writer kinds of Walt, what we missed, it sounds like the absolute best of the kind of racing that we've had since the restart, you know like I say I do like that kind of course, and I prefer it at the minute just because when it tends to be. Those steeper longer tougher climbs. It's so selective with the range of talents and experience and abilities at the minute in in women's racing that we don't get the variety we don't get that unpredictability and I. So I do like a course like this. It just sit so many people you know that anyone in the top Tan to could be taken a sage in any given day. Those longer stages I mean we saw the Franz when it's a really long stage. teamsters, right. It's so much more cagey anyway. So you really only getting the same amount of kilometers of really exciting racing. But you just give this really long build up to her and everyone is riding in a very defensive way trying to save their energy and safe their legs I. I would say just briefly about the coverage what I was really really encouraged by with the amount of seemingly genuine annoyance on social media that people weren't able to watch it and I think women's cycling suffered an awful lot from from tokenism over the years. and. You can sort of see through that quite easily. I think there was a genuine demand for being able to watch this race and it's one thing that asked him Milam Paseo brought up as well. Actually whenever I go out with her which I think we're going to hear aren't we and but she's she said the same that she felt like. Maybe turned a corner with that. You know that there is finally realization what we've been chatting about for the last couple of years is in Detroit we're not just saying it. To. Female Boggs we're saying it because it's brilliant racing and it's worth watching and I think that that was really encouraging. Shall we hear a little bit from Ashi Molin Paseo No? Thank the Jira was. Just hot as has been in the hot in a different way. So yeah, we didn't necessarily have. The proper Alpine. Talkative. We had a fair amount of climbing and a lot of short sort of steep climbs towards cash. Pretty, explosive I'M UNITED FINISHES IN TERMS OF. The short climbs. I think was really expecting Jira really unfortunate obviously with the big crash with enemy but I think at the end of the day at one really putting. Jira. no-one one could. I think. Nothing that is a huge except isn't that is a huge caveat because obviously the problem with not having live racing coverages that were sort of restricted to the last hour of racing as highlights but that's not necessarily the exciting part of the race and I think we had all hoped to things with me forward this year that was a massive disappointment was an ad. I mean. We all. Have least amount of my coverage or Beth was. Believed introduction of the world and I suppose. The covert has been something I'm really huge for the world to handle I. think it will often being used as a bit of an excuse these days I do appreciate that. And pulling operate. Auditory over there I, think we pie the AVI uses. Being with women's Peleton and I think it's just really a shame because the real orioles story never told just as you say, it's GonNa people might be the final couple of minutes and have ended but there's a lot that happened between you know the off line and the finish line I think that the story hasn't being pulp but having said that. I was really grateful I'm the the number of of really good photographers really great will cost. You know that was just one good thing to see that we attracting these really great pump because if the rain does life at least stories being told on through the photograph and know 'em bicycling talking news on and all of these Kennel but it's twenty twenty and it's just not good enough anymore on that we don't have coverage. We can only hope gas it felt to me at least from the. Outside that there was a felt like a lot more demand and a lot more upset this year that it wasn't broadcast live, and hopefully you would imagine some of that will filter through Anoxia in because it's always at the same time as the two fronts. But felt like this year, there was more annoyance by the that that we couldn't wanted tiny here. I agree for the first time in my career. In, that country Johnny on the social media that Phantom getting actually quite annoyed. Empty about it we WANNA watch the race thing. Where is it? I think that's a good thing for the sport. It's one thing for. Athletes to be speaking out but I think is even even big impact if pants are getting annoyed and making it vocal because of course, you know the the did have to kind of keep. On. The media. So does show that it does. Cast now is supported by science in sport. Science in sport fueled by science. Thanks very much to sciences sport for their support of the cycling podcast. If you want twenty five percent off all your signs sport products to sign sport dot com. And enter the code rose SAS between five, five, SAS BETWEEN ANTIFA see. SEE BETWEEN FIVE AND That was a food performance. Smoothing is close. Everything. Should I actually got sick. Got Sick of listening to you guys at the Tour de France. Sharing it, and just coming out with like the most inane boring ways and I can remember the code I was just like I'm not having this anymore terrible the lack of professionalism. Back again you know. So then I. Yeah exactly. We're reclaiming it like if you want this code, he had their did with a jazz fan. Barkley, can you tell? Night listeners. Before the break, we heard from Ashley Movement, Paseo will hear a bit more from her next month won't be ORLA yet, we will date a lot to talk about really really interesting chat from Ashley as it always is but she spoke with such passion about. Her work to try to get more African writers to the elite level. It was really interesting and talking about the complexities and higher fits in with the BL-, anti-racism movement at the moment and black lives matter and it was a really good chat. We'll hear more if not next month just because there isn't room for at all, let we want to do we want to give it. The airtime. It deserves absolutely am we're going to hear from lizzy banks in a moment her her. A, diary s great. Listen as say we she kept die I lost you. That was released for friends the PODCAST. This is part of the cycle feminine hence, Bumper episode. So we just go to Lizzie now ladies. How Well. Hello again everyone and welcome to twenty twenty Jira Rosa. I'm busy banks from keep polecat and I'm back again for twins twenty edition of Jj. Razor audio diaries. Last year was a surprisingly successful audio diaries richards invited me back again I'm hyping this year is going to be a successful but who knows it's already been a rocky start, the J. Rey because we travel down here with six riders with our comeback as writer. And she very very recently developed a problem with the foot. She had Bositis in her for which then became infected and she traveled home yesterday. We're now one day out in the Jerry. So it's Thursday she travel time yesterday and we both in Arizona. New Fish Black. So yeah. What a roller coaster ride already before we even started it's funny because now way having we are having to completely change our plans before we even started the race but in a way thing is kind of exciting because we have absolutely nothing to lose. Now we have six strong writers who can take opportunities on every single stage and I think that's a really nice way to race and it's kind of like the the way we like to race where a bunch of nobodies you know we're not the ones who are expected to be carrying the jazzy and and whatever happens we can't really do so we on in Tuscany In a town called Rosetta, it's going to be hellishly fast tomorrow think fifty, five, fifty six will be the winning time. That's my bat. Yeah. I mean we have four strong TT's and well five showing riders and then we have one climb really and we missing one of RTT powerhouses. Thomas, who is busy preparing for the world championships instead. What would the Jerry being in September and finishing only four days for world championships time trial it's Packed in pretty closely, it's definitely a loss for our team in the team time trial well, and the whole of the race not having ahead but. We're going to do the best we can and. We feel like we have a chance of getting result but you know I never want to speak too soon and. You just don't know what can happen in team time trial and we felt like we had the worst team time trial of our lives last year and we managed to take second. Yeah, we hope that we'll be up there. So we'll say we're just about to go to bed now I'm rooming with Emma Norris Guard Jorgensen I can't really say your name can you say your name for me Emend Law School Johansen pefect. Don't ask me to repeat that please anyway I'm sure you'll hear more from Amer. Later in the in the diary I will interview her after her first stage win and then again after a second one is that humor? Okay you can interview me off my stage when we just walk rose. Sure AM. I get bad and Yeah. Maybe it's more cops. Racing, coming up but a catch up with you is. Maybe during the middle of the rice during the stage sometime tomorrow. Only. While the tape is done and whereabouts go to bed before stage to. It was suffering. I just can't describe how hot is. It's like nothing else you know time trot but a team time trial is so much harder because you go so much deeper than new think is possible. All you know as possible and every single person does and every single person is so gone on. So Dad but yeah, you just have to keep going because otherwise you're going to let will your team as time? and. We came four it was. The hardest place to come. Yeah. We wanted to get on the podium. We're not GONNA lie, but I actually think that it was a pretty good result for us I mean we already small team and we came in and we set the fastest time. When we came in all the big teams still had to come in and then we heard Canyon commend like Oh God if it be us and then we have we been canyon mood I maybe we can get on the podium and so we're. Waiting for each team come in some web came in with beating them CCC came beaten by a law, and then there was still the three probably foster teams come in Mitchelson balls and try limit some came across the line in the US and then balls came across the line and they'd be ass. We knew the on paper track had the fastest team but you never know quite whether that's actually going to transpire when he got to the guy on the road because there's just so many different variables. So waiting by the finish board and you know the seconds are ticking down and then yeah track took the win. I think we have to be happy with with foreman's we were down to five riders after a very short time because we have one writer who's an amazing ride ever she's very, very light. So team time trial just isn't really disciplined so. We were riding in five missing layer. Obsolete tt powerhouse. Yeah. The other thing actually it was so windy today. So we've done a lot of practice runs and the practice runs we've just been flying along life fifty, five, fifty, five, an hour, and then on the way back on the town section, we'll coming along with sixty and then today because it was so windy we had kind of cross on the kind of triangle. You had head crossing the I bet had crossed the other side on the second bit and then pretty much tail end on the on the final sisk final straight and because of the headwind really brought the speed down south. The winning spade was fifty point one was forty nine point nine k analysis. So but yeah, appropriate for Stage two now tomorrow is really nasty. One Hundred Fifty K. One, hundred, twenty, four K., and seven cave neutral. One Hundred Thirty K. hundred one K. of just Constantini twisting rights I, mean, there must be like nine hundred, fifty seven corners or something. And to start to be on dry gravel sections first one is one point five case second one is the crucial one it goes from one hundred, fifteen to one, hundred, twenty k. five k. long up steep climb, and then not time k. from the finish. The finish is Maryanne foster finish but that climb is an enemy attacking going stalled climb but who knows if she'll want to do? That that far out and can we get the road before she does so I guess, those are the questions I done it what the team plan will be quite yet. Of course, we're going to try and take some opportunities, but it might be difficult on the first road stage when everybody wants to do it. So we're GonNa see what we got and I will let you know good night. Okay we are on our way home from state to on. It's pretty funny because we knew say was going to be really hot and a couple of people put some interviews out there saying this isn't going to be a hot Jiro and we looked at the room where like you're just so stupid I mean every day is just so solid I mean this like not even an inch of fly in the whole nine stages apart from the t t t so Yeah. Basically, the first thirty kilometers was just so hard. You know you just think how the hell am I going to do another hundred kilometers after this but it was approved to good day we had. Basically. Right. At the beginning twenty K. in There was really fast downhill and then and narrow section a bridge, and then right again, and at least crashed unfortunately and came down. What happened least tell me what happened? so I don't really know. Somebody break in front of me and Sour, which Bryce and I just I just crush there. And hopefully nobody victim crush behind me. So that was quite good for the others I had some bruises and but it's on the skin. So it was a ride my bike was broken. So I to to change my back then go back on the. On the road and just chase for. Fife case and appeals so it was quite hard but doesn't get. So yeah. The radio like at least an mullen had had she didn't crash. She just dropped chain and then obviously had to get back on again It was a rubbish time to come back but you spend you just been so many matches right at the beginning of the race and you know you've got it going through your head like Oh my God I've got another hundred kilometers. This is not good but. Thankfully everything calmed down a bear and I mean it was still really hard because it was up and down all day. But there was kind of a lull in the middle of the of the race which enabled everyone to eat and drink and. Kind of collect themselves, and then we wanted to attack in the end of the race from. One. Fifteen to one twenty kilometers there was five k savage gravel sector and then from the end of their, it was ten case to the end of the race and I mean obviously what's going to happen? Is going to attack on the steep the gravel sagittarian she's going to say so how do we be enemy we got ahead of so we tried we tried really hard yourself. So many attacks it just yeah. Yeah. MOM would attack released tags leave tax I attacked. Nothing was getting away then. I don't know maybe time case. So the gravel sector would just come down downhill and then I just took a flyer and then God gap when out thirty seconds. But then I got back in just before the gravel sector and then I used my last bit of energy. Once I was back in the group to get Michaela back to the front of the group, she's just been got slightly like I'll goal of the day really is to get her into the young riders jazzy and yeah. So I use my energy to get her up the steep climb back to the front grape and then I, said, Michaela, you've got to do the rest on your. But at least was that and then we pulled into the gravel sector. And I got drops there because that was like my last F Michaela. And it was at least in modern in the front group and I didn't really know what happened there. This I'm GonNa pass you ever to least to recount the rest of the end of the stage. So I was with Miki Awhile, and we really boost in this gravitation to to drop Leeann. The other contender for the White Jersey and it was good because Miki like really push treated hardened she could she could go away with the first group almost I, think. So yeah it was does having it was really a Morgan than TWAS. Amazing that she she finished the work. Yeah. So I think I think enemy off the front alone, and then maybe under Bregman was chasing learn behind that and then Michaela was in agreement I'm not actually completely certain. But then at least was in agreement with Elise Longer Guinea holding the Pink Jersey at the time and what was that like because she had no teammates at the front. Yes she had not made. So she actually she was the only one who who had to chase because I was also with on-the-spot and Soya Paladin both they had like teammate in the front. And she was pretty angry to choose alone but I mean that's the game and it was funny to sit on the wheel. Yeah cycling savage sometimes isn't it? Because you know from the end of the gravel sector which was crazy by the way it was it wasn't just like your average strategy on K. gravel sacks to which okay. It's a bit dusty narrow like Berra, some sectors in Strada on K. There's a bit of sand and you might risk going into this was mental. All of it was just such deep gravel the went off one tiny track. Then you're going to lose your wheel and you're gonNA stop. Actually got hit by the COMMISSARIES CAU-. Honestly, just jump off my bike. Yes say, oh, this crazy stuff happens but anyway, I think McCain ended up taking seventh April and Elise was eleven. So yet Michaela moved into the White Young Rider's Jersey and I think she's got a pretty big gap, but we haven't actually got the results like the official results yet. But yeah, she's in the Jazzy Amoroso had an awesome day. She was so good on the climbs and did you take both the sprints center? One they were one in there was one away. So you a second says she was first in the first print and second because we wanted to make sure that again Liana lip, it didn't take the seconds. So that we could get the Jersey and Yes. Try and try and get our head. So yeah, it was pretty cool day and it was a pretty savage day eighty, five miles hundred. and we again tomorrow hundred forty K. again just constantly rowling. Hello. Welcome to the end of Stage three of the jared. Rosa. Retired. Six days ago we're tired. Today was just one of those. Days, I'm sure if I'd have captured audio diary jeering the race I could probably tell you so many really cool. Interesting things went through my head and crazy shit that happened in the race and times when we all Nettie flew off cliffs and. Emma had a pretty scary puncture. She got botched up the ride by one of the F. D. J. Girls. Sorry. I'm going to name and shame. Just, hit a massive rug, and so then I had tire slash wheel when Bang and it's one of those really scary moments where I mean the wheel is just GonNa fall apart because it it's such a hard hit but actually it's pretty scary the whole time because now that we're down in well, we're heading down towards Rome tomorrow and finishing till tomorrow where we finished an sec today, we had one hundred and forty kilometers the further south you go the worst road Scott Oma. Gosh. All the time we're just like Oh alls. I mean, there's no point in even shouting because the roads are just so bad this. Yeah. Obsolete savage halls sink waylon everywhere. The bunch was definitely bit tired from yesterday's savage routing. And also, there was a few changes today because just like welcome to the Jerry they changed everything last minute this morning we found out the GP So the the K. Q. in the mountains and the sprint points where both council because of fried blacks and that the finish was moved because of red wags but we didn't even know whether finish was it was in the same town it was up recline, but we didn't know exactly what it would be like. So we only found out. Nine hundred kilometers in from Audie S. When this one got to the finish, what the finish was actually like, and then I went back to the car and had a chat with the show missing pictures and it didn't change it much. But you know it's just it's just like this is supposed to be the premier race on the women's calendar, and the organization is just a bit of shit shy. And we can't even manage any live coverage and it's just a jake because last year there was actually really really good coverage. There was like three hours of live coverage of something. So. Every day you know you could watch a big chunk of the stages live every day. I've heard that this year. The organization that were providing the pictures all ready to to do the live coverage and it was actually the. Is that to it? So frustrating, I haven't seen live coverage because I've been busy writing but. I've been told that it's basically the last forty five minutes and you know yesterday stage lasts forty five minutes was just unimak off the front which okay. Yeah. It's nice to watch but it doesn't show how exciting and dynamic the stage was. If you just watch the last forty five minutes or so much the happens in race. Anyway mine mine mine it's just frustrating because. We want to push the sport forward and. All this stuff and you know tomorrow we've got this one, hundred, seventy communist age and actually twelve clumps of neutral as well as it was actually a hundred and eighty two kilometers and. There are some voices in the Peleton say we have to have longer stages longer is better blah, Blah Blah I didn't agree I mean I'm not saying we should have really short races but I don't think that giving us one hundred and eighty two kilometers. Stage is the answer you know everyone a push ray quality. Let's just got some live coverage I because what's the point in doing a really long? Stage if the people don't even know about it and you can't access it and I can't even somebody who's writing in the race I can't even get the results. We didn't even get the communicate until about two hours after the race. So my husband's looking on twitter to find out what happened in the race and you know it's one person's tweeted. One top three, UCLA well, tour of tweeted another top three. What Day and age we live in that you have to watch women's women's rights on twitter. It's pretty ridiculous anyway. Sorry for that aside. I guess that was the most interesting thing that happens i. AMAS puncture that was pretty exciting. Oh, I'll tell you what happened in the Finnish Marianna Voss as allows put it last year shown our cannon to win. To win the stage this really steep climb Go the day was to keep Michaela appetizers possible in keeping the white young rider's Jersey which we did I think she was twelve on the stage which yeah it'd be nice to take top ten but she's kind of more of a slow burner really, and this was a punchy. One to one and a half minute if your Marianas climb three and a half minutes if you emma. Well. I, to get to bad because we've got one hundred kilometers today tomorrow. Thank the Lord we've got tailwind because otherwise it would be pretty boring. Hello. My name is Imanol Scott and I will do it interview today. So I'm having Lisa bangs on the line for an interview I'm not on the line I'm in the bed next but you know what about it sounded pretty cool. So. How did the states go within? The organization is crazy. We got like three or four communicate from the organization, and we got one set the stage time of moved, and then another time another one that said this danger time and moved and the stage time stage stop time moved. So many times the some web actually ended up being late to the star, and that never happens in a bike race they. Were five minutes late to start and they thought they were ten minutes early and then at the beginning, it was kind of flat and slow wasn't a and I was just chilling having my breakfast at the back a second breakfast at the back of the bunch we looked at the course he said, well, if we're going to attack, we need to go for long run. Somewhere between sixty and nine hundred K's today and about ninety five case today went for an attack when out nobody came and I was like, Oh my God, the bunch stopped as well. It better keep going but then they started chasing and then it was like coming back and not coming back and then finally they caught me now it's like, oh thank. God. Because didn't really WANNA be on my eight. Hundred kilometers. And then we went up and then we went down to climb, and then as we came down the time, you always get this kind of momentum that you get. When you come from behind the front of the bunch stops, and then the back of the bunch is coming back as you you come to climb and I just used that momentum to go round the bunch with love speed and attacked again and I'll take us regan attack and then I thought well my own again. And this was eighty six or eighty seven kilometers to go. And the thing is the bunch it was like a really good attacks the just stopped, and when is a good attack you know got gap immediately and I knew had the gap and just thought like really am I really going to do this on my I and this is going to be futile but whatever I'll just carry on and actually it was quite interesting. So you behind what you're getting bottles. Yeah. So when when the From from Lucy hours behind getting bottles for from for all the our teammates and when I came back our let's see mid modern where you said you like West. lizzy. Because a needed to give Lisa bottle and aggressively see and she's like she's our and she was exit kinda irritated because she thought it was a stupid idea to go early leap. To be honest when when is having her mind settled on something we know what's going to happen. So also my next question is how how did you feel in the breakaway I? At any point that this will this will happen like you were GonNa win the states. Well I don't know if I did win the stage we haven't got that. So. I, saw the writer was preaching and look back and it was someone from and at first I thought on ally. It's probably going to be a writer who's not really strong and then the writer came over and it was Eugenia Bujak and I was like. This is a fast writer I could have. Such a strong rider. We really well matched like I would say I probably did a bit more than her and the break but I kind of thought right if anybody can make it work into like Manhattan can do it and the last climb was. From one, three, five, two, one, four, two kilometers, and we just have to keep pushing till the top of that line because when you're in the breakaway when you're when you're getting a bit tired, you can really really quickly lose a lot of time on climb compared to a bunch. Especially, these times would like not super steep so you can really draw a lot in the bunch and the bunch can go pretty quiet craig and again on the they say quick once we got over the top of that climb. I was like fruity certain at that point that we were going to make it basically then I was thinking. Okay. So it's me or her, how am I going to win this and I was thinking should I attack from? I didn't want to I'd just been to in came secondly died and I just I tasted victory at the last year and I did not want to come second I wasn't prepared come second. So I was thinking should I do a long-range attack but really the last kind of thirty kilometers were. Flat, and Rolling Downhill and it's like they're just wasn't a good place but I knew that the finish was gnarly and knew that there was a steep pot and neither on the steep I would have the advantage about fifteen Katie. Playing the game starting to pull through and to be honest I didn't feel great I definitely pretended a bit more than I should have done. And then I just saw on her wheel from three to go and. Attacked her on the street PA CLIMB SO I started talking on the state I saw this arch and I thought, thank God, I, the arch I'm going to ten right and then I looked down on on my. There was A. There was another arch. And then the road the road starting to rise even more, and then there were couples but with massive holes in them. I was three hundred meters to this right turn after the. Second Arch. and. Steve Three hundred meters on couples is just yet. It feels like it takes a lifetime by this point in my legs were just absolutely full of lactate but I just yeah. Once you have the gap basically I attacked her and she managed to get on my wheel but I knew that if I just went full on the steep, I would drop her and then I would have the physical and mental advantage because once you're behind and you've been dropped, it's just so hard to come back so. I just gave it everything to line, and then finally with two hundred meters to go and it flattened out a new. Had the gap and I crossed the line one and it was so good and. Happy but you know one of the weird things about podiums in Corona Times is just So weird and it was because usually kind of people say they give you stuff or. You go onto the podium and then they bring you all the stuff. But because it's like diy podium, pick up everything yourself and then go and do it. It's kind of a bit of a shit show and we didn't really know what's going on and then. On also, we think the enemy thought she won the stage Deli because apparently she crossed the line, she crossed the line third behind but like a minute behind and apparently alarms up so sorry to make to be fair you're still pretty good i. mean you still got the Pink Jersey so nice one I can. Yes that is. Anyway. Yes. So they took on third. Eugenia on and then they took me on but it didn't have uh on there at the same time and they didn't give me a bottle of story and I was like Oh, where's my bottle of our story? If I'm to win a stage I want to spray the bottle anyway. So I just went behind the stage and went to pick up the bottle and then they're like, no no no this is not for use enemy. Leg She's had enough. I mean obviously, she wouldn't. She didn't mind. She'd already sprayed one and I was like look I'm spraying bottles sorry enemy but you can say one tomorrow. Say if you're listening I, am sorry if you wanted to spray that I, really really wanted to spray that bottle. Anyway. So then went back and then yeah, the crowd was yelling sprayed it and it was really cool. To the collection. Only. Thought. Welcome stage five another crazy day at the. So. Today we were in Tattoo Cina, which is on the east. nope. Sorry West forgotten. East and West because I'm tired. On the west coast of Italy halfway between Rome and Naples, it was going to be spin. Yeah. We hope to the AMMO would be that and she'd been climbing really really well. The first few days of the tour. So we like fully believed. She could be there also courses while she was timing so well. So we were like this is Emma's day she's going to be that and she's so strong. But unfortunately, I'm a has had a problem with paying for the last few days, which is something. We've actually all suffered with because the I hotel which we stayed at for the first couple of nights of the race and also for a few days before the race. Like we were all getting back pain because the beds were so bad. It's just crazy but like you know. Supposedly some of the best people in the world and Asfaw, and we're sleeping in places where the beds is so bad that they actually cause injuries. Again last night, we had another hotel with absolutely tolerable bides just feel the springs. Thankfully. This one that we've got tonight I'm lying on right now feels a little bit softer. But yeah, unfortunately, I'm had been really suffering with back pain and know it got to the point where she up times in the night and this morning she woke up and could barely walk so. Painkillers Party to my fun and had some. Stuff but in the rice today, she just simply wasn't able to power out and she's here. Now how do you feel must be pretty guessing 'cause like this big goal, right? Yeah. It's. It's just been a really bad day for me not for the team. The team has done grade once again but for me it was like, yeah, this days was was we States where I have been looking for forward four. Yeah and I thought that I could do a great result and in is just really said that my body don't work. As, it's really frustrating is like your body's letting you down because of the situation in which we racing. So I'm sorry few Emma But if your K- tomorrow it could be another day few. Tamar. If I'm okay tomorrow I'm going to smash it because I have been integral petal today chilling. By the way. I'm going to say this is the first time. She's even been dropped this week, which is amazing for sprinter. So today was an easy measles from GONNA smash if my banks allowed two. Hundred Ten K. only one, hundred and ten. K. Today. Down, from one eight t yesterday. It was pretty full gas from the start. You know that's the thing it was two hours fifty and it was just nonstop the whole day. The whole day was full gas really exciting and that's the thing when you have shorter stages really exciting and that's why I don't think that we need long stages. Anyway. I've already said enough about that so. The first time that the kind of the longtime fifteen. K it went pretty hard because. There are teams who like CCC with Voss and latter sorry lotto pseudo with lots Kopecky who have sprinters. Who can make over the climbs but wanted to drop other sprinters the likes of your endorphin Bosede almonds and Surat Exhibit W., and t So yeah. So there was a pace up that hard pay sad that by CCC said that we would ideally for them drop those climbers and keep sorry drop those sprinters and keep that keep this Brenta's. which is what happened. So a small agree about forty I think and then they spent his just never got back on Ceram. And then Yeah those along the Seine and then it bit flat and then a super super sharp punchy climb and then kind of all hell broke loose and then it was lined out on the descent and unfortunately my teammate crashed and then that caused a spit in the bunch. So then when we got to the bottom. Me and my team mate Marlin and. We teed while we teed back group back to the Front group so that at least didn't lose time on JC and then At least longer Guinea was off the front. Near the end but then she got chase down obviously and Mariana vast took her two, hundred and. Ten. So something win in that. Crazy. How good she? Talk. Only. People. Today was stage six. It was only ninety five in the end today slight change the route because of a collapsed bridge. So. Transfers stage dot actually equals in the. Fast and furious, and so unrelenting that you're never going to get a moment's break. So I'm here with Michaela who is based on DC, which is really cool and the young white young rider's Jersey. We've held the white young writers Jesse and the team since the beginning Emma had A. T and then it Michaela shoulder since. So Mickey, tell us what happened in this stage today. Well today was total is. Twenty kilometers on the most how Koru of reading on. Paul Paul and his cousin, this crazy race and girls are flying everywhere. And that was just it was. So Hod and teammate. By chain and I thought Oh my God she is never going to get back on because we're flying along. Our on this just calls everywhere unissued. She's going to die. I know. She had to do a whole Sikhtian behind the car on Obama and she wouldn't be able to see anything which is totally crazy. Fe. anyways often that crazy Sikhtian. Close change and. A lot more climbing and pause. After the droids roads popcorn change and was Suba La and that was quite challenging. Unfortunately, my bike end up having a few. issue. After. that. I had really annoying crate poorest of essays, Creek Craig fully lost two hours of Erase House. Really annoying. Everyone me. It was pefect bombed brackets died creaking and for me it was say I never had say Mickey you on my wheel and she never had Sam here because I could just hear again. So, thanks very much mechanics pleased in face ed bracket. Headed twenty and into a Finnish, which was just so fast we're flying down one hundred K.. And lizzy all we're going one hundred now on. It's like holy moly. This is so fast. Don't really WanNa be thinking about how quick I'm actually going, but it's just not trying to the radio when I'm getting one hundred case now on the downhill. please. Thanks very much. He is he's coming into the finish. No one really knew what was happening and that was once again totally crazy I mean. Racing across cobblestones came out of the middle of nowhere which is crazy. It was crazy. We knew that there was this tight with three. Hey, together, we went round and suddenly there was just like crazy cobblestones with giant holes in them and we're like what this was not in the race book but whatever. Yeah. Then anyways, we eventually go to the finish and. It was originally fund sprint and Alaska's right there and the talk group and we all made it back safely. Thank goodness. y'All still and why it was so exciting, I still can't quite believe how pasta days have been going and now go four four days three days. And what's the got on your nearest rival my rive O. while off couple of girls just twenty seconds behind on over Oj say and I'm one minute from the girl in front of me are a mostly going to be thinking about that and been in terms of. Young rider of fulminate advantage, which is a nice bath but still I'm still canes trying hold my top five overall. I love how she says I've got a couple of girls here twenty seconds behind me. That's longer Bucatini and I'm not sure the next two behind me. But Yeah, at least Greenie twenty seconds just a couple of Jessica. Sales just a ride are just a couple of world class riders. They've been doing this for a long time. Stage Seven Jared Italia and A tough one today because I'm just GonNa ruin the surprise of what happened in the stage because you probably already know anyway. But yeah, in the end of the stage that was really big crash. Well, I think there were about thirty riders in the Front Group, which I was Michaela and I were in. We were coming into the finish. It was a straight, and then there was a I think about two hundred, fifty disguised as a shoprite hunt tenant finish just before. The ten I was in the left there was a big crash on the left. I was really fortunate to be okay but enemy WHO's wearing the paint Jersey went down really hard right in front of me Amanda Spratt flew an bike flew and voss went down really hard and then Our common nowadays wt slid in front of me and we were going so fast. We were going full gas into the sprint finish and one of those moments where your life just flashes before your eyes because I mean I've had some really bad crashes in the past when you're going. For five five, our more even stike into this crash a and it was the side of the road in those really big like to paving slab on the side know cubs on the side of the road, and that's why I saw enemy crash into and I was basically doing endo almost skidding on my front wheel, my front wheel kind of skidding against the cubs day and and then at the same time, this W. N. Wright Assad sliding in front of me and I'm just like Oh my God I'm just going to be flying and I'm GonNa hit my head on the cubs Diane and I'm going to have a concussion and Blah Blah Blah Blah and. Somehow I I held it and I stopped and thankfully my teammate Michaela was okay as wild but in that moment is just yeah you're seeing your competitors just lying on the floor and we just had an update Mitchell to jesper updates say. Automatic. Brick arrest which it was pretty obvious anyway because she. was she was holding it limp as she came across line and I'm Amanda Spratt has a shoulder injury and concussion. So she's out with Jerry was well. And we we thought maybe. Breaking collarbone bed it's not broken, but perhaps she's done the ligaments and how shoulder instead I didn't know that's just speculation Miranda Voss was okay. she came across the line I I was fine. So then I got my bike together and you know vert across the line and I was just you know met my teammate Michaela made sure she was AK in. Voss road and just she was just shaking from the adrenaline and the shot from the crashes just rea- really horrible and to be honest when I heard the enemy can under spread had come across the line. I was really grateful that they were walking because it had been. You know when you see a crash like gotten that fast and they go head first enemy hit the pavement with her head. Really. Not Nice it's not really concerning. Your first thought is just yeah you're. You're glad that they're able to get back on the bike tour. Say the stage was really mad by that but it was just so fast all day and hauls everywhere and I'm amazed I haven't been more crashes through the town by the finish at the bottom knows these crazy cobbled paves if you imagine a flagstone occur a. Big. Big Paving stone and then couples and then just holes everyone bikes flying everywhere one girl kind of landed on my handlebars and then another girl. Crashed into me on the side I was I stayed upright but her her front wheel skidded down my leg. So at the end of the stage I had Taya mogs down my right leg and then her by. The back of my bike and thankfully I held upright but it was just I mean the roads here are disgrace and I really in my opinion, we should not be racing on these rights because it is so so dangerous I'm amazed that we've not had no punches. Even been brushed like this corners just covered in glass. There was one corner within three weeks ago where you go around a corner and there's just like this concrete and the road and and there's nobody to say, you shouldn't be going on this bit of concrete or. The other day in a race there was actually just like this massive concrete barrier in the middle of the road and nothing to say nobody that wore new or. I don't know. It's just I just really feel like the level of safety here is very poor and write a safety is not a priority, and if it was a men's race, men would probably complain and stop I mean we we can't do that like. Grateful to even have these races but you know when the men's Jerry d'italia comes to this, they probably resurfaced the whole roads and then we're just racing on this I mean it's an opposition. There's really nothing else to say but if I was an opposition show like these roads are diabolical. Yeah, anyway. So called the puncture came back then came into the final climb and I was really ship position and then I came past at least my teammate who it turns out Michaela. She's in the young rider's Jersey she dropped her chain at the bottom of the climb again probably because the holes so bad. And so then at least really helped her to get back on and then in helping Mickey Gabon, she'd blowing herself up and then came past a lease and said like come on come on because we needed the two of us again to the team classification but at least it just completely blades. So then I just had to. and. At this point, like all the all the big dog climbers were in front grape and I was in a second group diagnose. Thank God, she pulled us back because I couldn't I couldn't take a ton I mean I was just so smoked after my after I'd done from the punk chat to get back on and then. Yeah. So then made it made it back to the front group of the time. So I was back with Mickey again and could help a little bit in the final and. Then just in the final final. I. Literally Just said to come to on the left to you up on the left and they're like spotted this guy up and then bang on the left hand side this. This crash but. Thankfully Just, on the way to this stage eight, an image is a message her GRANDPA. Can you read it to US Emma? My GRANDPA just takes Hannah. I'm so proud of you I I'm so proud you still in the race I would not have counted on you. I'm. Now, that is the kind of belief we need to finish this. Jared. Quick Update from the injuries from yesterday we had officially last night that enemy has broken rest and so. She'll be flying home today and then getting an appointment and probably having surgery tomorrow on display is also out with shoulder injury not broken collarbone probable ligament damage I guess, and a concussion. So that's really really ship mention Scott. I'm really I'm really got it for them. It's so horrible. See the need to go out and I wonder what happened now because. For sure if you're cashier navy domain, you don't want to go and pink because your because the leader has crashed out of the race but the organizers will want someone to wiping. So you know. If your cash you, you probably want to say, no I don't WanNa wear our perspective frienemie but it'll be interesting to see what happens. So yeah, we're just on the DOT on the way to stop now and I'm just like psyching myself. Up to Gab this St. Pass. Climb at the end of the stages three guy at twelve percent. So It's GonNa be quite savage. Wish me luck. Dot. COM Your last editor, Jerry. Loss already. Blown by what do you mean? It's weird. Isn't it? Like at the beginning it was carrying really stately and now it's day nine then we're like. Yeah it is. It is a bit like that. Really. I'm kind of thinking. Some more stages haw. Nine days here. Why don't we just do twenty one boys? Yeah. Tomorrow we will be fresh and ready to go by by Monday. Yeah. Well, rest of us have kind of well, we've probably fresh by Thursdays we got well. This is true. I saw say house yesterday for you. Tell us the story yesterday was a day of many many listen for me Those crosswinds, pretty holiday the fun. And then, and then I dropped from the funny. You got blown out the national and International Yup untilization loan and then we went. To the. and. Then you got blown out commissioner learned from that one. But managed to claw my way that. In the fetish like actually exactly the other half of Susie as well. I wasn't too worried. And we could see you guys them do the work, pull me back and then I was there to help Lizzie and Kayla. And the finale and then what happened so I put you guys our full. Pulled Mickey and final climb, and then walking on the final climb for you. You're on pretty good day yesterday. Yeah. But well, Torres? Third Fourth Fourth. Fourth. Yeah. So. Yeah Jazz I think I was on your will I don't know if you heard me shopping but I don't know. I knew I had Mickey on my. That was my main problem. But if you're on Mickey's wheel bat was good. and. yes. lizzy didn't monster pull office what two. Hundred Music Climb. Your roofing it and then and then managed to find. My way through and I had Thomas on the radio telling me. Just stay with Mickey as long as you can. So. Dug Pretty deep there. just trying to hold on I was pretty stuff thirty to be honest. But Bet, I think ever stuff gear. And I saw Makita supply hidden in. There was not much I can do but just watch her fluctuate. But did you come I think just outside top team Lebron's I wasn't. Yeah. It was pretty big dog behind you. Hey. Yeah. So it was like then. Yes. Pretty cool as pretty cool. fashion you at the time I think I was. Ashi moment for most of it. They dropped her the I'm sorry Ashley. Sorry actually. Yeah. That's pretty cool. I mean I haven't had many experiences of of there with those skills and. Being with them as just like a huge confidence booster may have anything. Just knowing that I can be the top girls. Nice one mickey how you feeling last day your in fifth on JC. Party maybe out for each or what do you think? seconds also, it's also close. So you know anything can happen today and super-motivated to really give it my all and Salah stay. So I might as well die trying out there. Yeah. The moment on of and pink. cashier navy is about one ten behind. Then Eliezer is I think to twenty three. Then Sila, is to twenty five something. She's like three, two, two or three or four or five seconds behind the leader but she's within bonus seconds of Eliezer and then Mickey's at two fifty ish. So to get Mickey, on the podium would be like pretty hard task but I still think it's going to be a really interesting day because Yeah. I mean you're going to want to break away to multiple the vote bonus seconds Wants to attack to get the bonus seconds. We kind of yeah that'd be great for us if at least. At least one in the breakaway and if she gained minute and the breakway so that we won the team classification. I think for cashier shield just want to defend second. Of course, Anna wants to defend I but could be crosswinds again, we're during circuit. It's just up up climb and then Donald Climb. But then going out the time you have a, it's really exposed. So that's like, yeah really possibility of wins doesn't look too windy today, but usually the wind picks up during the day. It's really it's really hard to know and you just have to keep the is the holiday. I mean that's going to be some really really interesting dynamics today and. Usually on the last day ever taught. There's a lot of people who haven't got anything off the tour. So it's just like health another because everybody wants to got something in this their last chance Say I think it's going to be another hot day in the office but I'm hoping we will. I. Have Another team meeting. Yes. Maybe. I'll directo say something else I'm hoping that breakway guys at least guys at least in an unmanned naval in the Peleton to protect aid. Because, that would really comes on the telephone as well. 'cause it's a tricky to San. You. Know if as a break up the road than it would calm the pilot on on the tricky descent. So you know. We don't we don't take any risks today because best team much stike like constantly Mickey's got five minutes on the next rider and the U. Twenty three competition. So in terms of that, it's like it's pretty safe knock on wood something we'd have to go really really badly wrong like yesterday to lose that. 'cause like even if something happened to make you the rest of us would just pull back and we'd just to- back but anything can happen and of course, if that did happen, she would lose the place. But then at least you'd still have the jazzy. Gone. com. Just checking in for my final word for final few words I can never just give one word. I am in my hotel and Bologna where I can be arriving. Over the next couple of days for the world championships are Amela and yeah, just been. Reflecting on. A really really good week and I'm just I'm just so proud of the team everything we've achieved this week and how we've really pulled together. You know he came into this toll. Without Liotta Tom Lehrer Thomas in one of our strongest riders. Well, I'll strongest rider. Without Clark Offenburg who was going to be a leader and then despite everything we've managed to come away with so much i. came into it battered and bruised crashed really hard at the European championships and eventually still got a deep wound in my head from that at least came into having crashed hard at the European championships as well and having slice stuffing. breadknife. Or disaster print team, and then she crashed in the tool a few days eight and her body was just really hating her and I crashed on the last day and. Yeah, you just put so much into it. We've all been away from home for a long time. Now I've been away from home for nearly a month and it's going to be another month at least until I'm back home again. Yeah. When It doesn't always come together often doesn't come together and when it does is just such a good feeling so. I'm really pretty happy about it. You know in the end the podium stayed the same on the final day on of under Brigham took the Pink Jersey Cash Inhibitor Emma was second elise longer Guinea was in a very tight third place from Sisley triple vague in fourth and Michaela have in fifth my teammate which is really awesome. Yeah nothing actually is the something that I found really surprising is. Often the break for the coronavirus quarantine period, and you know the worldwide lockdown in quite well, really interesting to see. How some writers have come out that some writers have obviously had really while and kind of. Ability, to train for for four months without interruptions for racing crashing or these little things fatigue you and traveling and stuff it all takes out of you anyway. Yes. So some writers have like obviously really fad well from that on some writers have really not bad while in Iraq is that you would expect to be really strong are just not performing at the level that they should be and. It's interesting. I wonder whether it's over training or under training because both can really do the same thing I think. Under training, it would be surprising if they were. They lost that much form because these writers, some some of these riders that I'm thinking of you know they were really. Very very high level and once he got to that level, it's not that hard to maintain it. You know I mean obviously I'm not saying what we do is easy, but it's not that hard to maintain a certain level of form and if you want to. Get really really good. Then yeah of course you have to everything into an is difficult but I think probably quite a few people have actually trained and done more hours than they would have done normally that slowly has an effect and then yeah, you kind of realize that you don't really understand why you're getting worse and it's only when you you really take a long break, you then start to get better again. So. Yeah. That's quite interesting. Really. And then. Yeah. The final thing I want to mention is just about visibility of this race again and I feel sorry for the organizers because perhaps they've born the brunt of the criticism when really we should be putting the criticism on the UCI. Saying. Look if UCI. If you're really saying you want further women's salaries if you're saying you WANNA bring in minimum salaries which you have and creating well teams, and then these minimum salaries are rising and rising. Then you also have to help us got the coverage Outta. If you push for these minimum salaries, but you don't have the coverage, then the teams have just GonNa break it's not just the big teams. Okay. Some of the big teams will be afforded, but it's the last two teams. It's the continental teams that that develop these writers teams like my team. My team takes on unknown riders develops them, and then keeps them for few years and then sends them onto the top dog teams. But if we don't have this visibility teams like mine weren't survive and then you weren't have this ability for riders to to come into the sport and then progress the top level and I really do feel like this is where the UCLA is to step in, and then they need to be proactive and to help out the organizers and say, what can we do? Financial otherwise getting the contacts whatever in order to be able to. Fast. Even have the money to do the coverage suddenly got coverage out there and just got get the media out that because the media is crap. And once people once people know what we're doing and realize what we're doing then Yeah. They've they've really will invest in it because every time we do have live coverage the the stories so good that the people just want more but then they got the next race and they don't see it and you know how many people know that that's a women's grand tool going on during the Tour de France not many. I think it's improving already. We have US coverage from last year, but generally things are improving but I really think we need to Persian we we need to. Be. Aggressive with how do it but also not be complacent because it's just such an exciting sport and we've really got so much to given. And so much to show the people in this race. This year was example I hope I've been able to kind of give you a bit of an insight into some of the stories that go on behind the scenes and hopefully next year you'll be able to watch us live but until then. Everyone out. lizzy banks more great insight flint taming stuff from her. She'll be putting pressure on us to do was a diary again next year if she writes it with the not being a women's world event and because the two time she's done one, she's won a stage and she was stage four. This year finished twelfth overall in the end But yeah, it's obviously obviously brings her lock. It wish you would bring me a bit more locker today. Why am I not winning to Rosa stages on this every month? Maybe not just By reentry that Dole's for Lizzie to be fair I think it's more. Training and having a press contract and entering the race you know just details. I mean Lizzy lizzy obviously, Co presents our sister brother Sister Sibling podcast service course am, but she I mean apart from being a great writer who's having a brilliant season. She is really becoming a unimportant voice in the media She spoke very eloquently this week of both the Rosa and you're there on your sports does. BREAK BBC today at say on well, Champs. So yeah, great seeing. He's such a good talker. She's so eloquent and she's clearly thought about issues a lot. You know it. She's very satisfying to be for that reason because. Yes just using her brain and it's it's it's a lovely interview to have always an also she's very skilled at angling the camera so that it doesn't include the drying laundry behind her as I discovered from her in story when she was doing. Her interview with me, she pounds her phone around to show. I'm not sure if it was underwear lese or whether it was shorts, I couldn't tell from the picture but either way we didn't see it on air not being anxious, such a pro. PRU. Do. Lizzy if you're listening as you will be. Remember the future is an audio not on screen. We WanNA, keep? On A on the. Sense or I can consider all trying to lure her away to the dark side television. You know you've got good home. Listen. Let's wrap things up. You've got dinner guests. Thing as well. Listen, we'll speak next month. Thank you very much. It's been fun. Thank you rose. It's been more fun than the women's. Right.

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Seans Cthulhu Game  2

Gaming and BS RPG Podcast

1:22:09 hr | 1 year ago

Seans Cthulhu Game 2

"How many companions were they at. What's going on good for your show. Welcome the episode two fifty nine of Gaming. NBS being recorded Sunday September a twenty one thousand nine hundred zero sean an umbrella. Welcome show folks. Welcome back tasty tasty my buddy jeff awesome awesome so the context of that if you wanted the rewind it thirty seconds is that he got hit in the chest with a sniper in the woods kind of thing. They threw a personality. You know snipers person person right no well. I mean sniper shot him. There you go in common. He was approached in the line so they attacked uh-huh and he served surrendered and then that's Jeff's interrogation method. It's a good technique start soft quiet a lot of questions rapid fire Bev. 'em briefs brief stint of quiet. Go for the throat with a boisterous answer me. I like it I would. I be cringing from a guy like that yeah right rightfully. So how was your weekend. Man was low key. No gaming you know gaming. Okay no gaming you. I went up to my hometown. A my buddy. Nick was wearing his game did not plan that because I got too late in don't have cared for that game. They're right in the middle of this really cool thing anyway so I sat back and did some avalon Evelyn work work for custom next projects that Christner's kicking around over on our on our forums played around out there for it and then got ready for an ever con- meeting which startup most of my Saturday morning and then came back then today I said Hey. Aj To my son because his name's Asia they so they on the woods is in move. My tree stand around little bit. Jira archery season opens next weekend. Well clear couple shooting lanes you and he goes yeah. That'd be funded pack up. Go out there meet landowner again talk to him the Sun too nice guys go out in the woods kicking around then I hear the zoo feel of the first be staying motherfucker now look up and there's a cloud of them around my head. So I got swarmed was miserable. I only got seven of them. Hit me but the one right above my right eye like right underneath your eyebrow and that little little fold of your eyelid yet that's where I fucking hurt. They only got stung wants but I got seven of them. Bam Bam Bam and there's something about swarms I get out and of course being an Uber Gamer nerd kind of dude. I'm like man that's miserable at. Ag Goes Yeah. That was Kinda scary. When that happens it said the whole little back brain that will lizard monkey part of your back brain is like screaming at you to run away in panic. Nick is really hard. I mean not even comparative to other swarms that people have been hit with flying biting insects or you know of any kind but it's it didn't it induces panic rapidly so I'm going to have to do that in a game have to nail somebody with swarm. I haven't done that in a while like we need to do that. Swarms swarms are bitch Jesus. It was so painful like it's just horribly loud noise inner ear. Things are crawling on you trying to trying to stab W. and you can't you can't you don't open your eyes because they're darting at your face and you're getting pain stabs little needles. You're on fire could feel poison in you that sucks and you can swat and flail you want and you can't kill him. A bizarre is a really overwhelming feeling. Isn't that fun but al I do. This warm is released where they came from so I will not go to that section of the woods for a while until it's cold and frozen Murray and find their little nest and stumped the living fuck out of in vengeance now. They're bees but anyway. I just won't go that way until it's cold day. Usually either not too bad got too close. I must've stepped on it or came really really close to it. I've seen people going to hives. I mean they're raising bees and they don't do anything to them. I did something I don't know what I did was done on your -tated. Them dropped a Bush on them something because I was hacking limbs at the Queen Man Oh Jeez it was it's not fun okay well. You know you're gonNA be okay man. I'll be alright in constellation. I do know that the seven that stymie they're fucking dead. They are stadium's debut once he's gone. They could've been hornets. Yeah Hornets are just they just stab you for fun yeah. They're bastards. They are but anyway other than that. We should talk about some gaming stuff. Man should not to Let's see here forms or cooking. We got some good activity out there which is great ever condor. We've talked about that. Game Okon Dot Org. That's dot Com dot org my God game Lucon Dot Com. com that is out there. That's happened of course. I in like a month and a half men. WHOA yeah October thirty first is rapidly approaching his holy Shit. I'm working with the encoder design design cruise so I can have some streets of avalon books that are that can sell on site so he kind of cool if I can make that happen signing. There's a signing everybody will be Taylor. I gave I gave copies to my buddies in my hometown and Alpha had like his five copies gave one to a couple of guys and I go hey I said what because book is wrong with it a MC fuck what insane it and like. Do you want me to devalue your book seriously. Will you know who I am. Missile got a number. I signed it for them. One of two hundred one of two hundred I just make up numbers. I'll start doing that if anyone wants recycle number sixteen seventeen yeah number one of two this random numbers no no meaning or anything like that well. I said I'll tell you what man let's. Let's just move right on ram counter soul ticket suet randoms encounters encounters rate emails voicemails comments from Social Media and our forums you start first. Laremy Wall writes in about cheating at the table to His Holiness and the grand poobah cheating. We've all done it. He wait a minute man. Wait a minute LEMme. It's a pretty strong accusation shen well. None of us should be proud of it for my part. I'm usually pretty good at spotting suspicious behavior as one of our gaming group was a great cheater include me in on many of his tricks everything to dice game cards to this day of someone has a stroke Rocca Good Luck. We rip them with a sure. This person's name sure we believe you wink for my part. I think you guys are spot on when recommending manning avoiding confrontation. No one likes it and it usually ends badly if it's a regular game. I've been known to toss out A. Hey everyone just to keep us. It's all on the same page. Can we all on the table instead of in your dice box or all used ice. Your neighbor can see or what what have you it doesn't point a finger and in my mind implies in even requests for everyone not singling a person out as far as CON Games. I think the thing that rubs me here is doing that really can just feel from everyone else. If I have that concern like Brett I just reduce the that massive damage damage. They have been known to just not let the player get killing blows in. They get to do their five thousand damage but the staggering fo- finally goes down when the thief Jabs Him with Short Sword for four damage. That's that's wonderfully anti-climactic fun. I like like like Shawn. I'd like to apologize for being the worst fan you guys have during the episode. I did notice that aren't on the POD catcher sure and was excited because I didn't know how didn't know many of the pieces you guys were referring to get back through the episode. Once I'd noticed it to look at them I really appreciated that effort in detail neglected dimension. Thanks for all work you guys put it on the show cheers. Laremy so what he's referring to in the the art of RPG's episode. I put we were talking about a particular piece of art. If you look at your podcast shirts should change to that piece of Art Lewis Sludge show type action interactive taking the podcast a level above boom all right. Let's see here L. Evans on the forum had interesting story about a cheater. There's one of my favorite ones player many many years ago early first edition. Dnd who went out and bought the module. I was running. He was playing in a very focused way. Unusual normally katic player the rest of the group like the fact he was not setting up traps and tractor and wandering monsters. None of us realized he was cheating. The macguffin in this module was a super powerful sword that was way overpowered overpowered so I'm GonNa this is Brett. I'm pretty sure he's talked about white. Blue Mountain Black Razor pretty sure starting mobile racer here anyway carry on he continues so a rewritten the sword to give it some negatives. He wound up getting sort of course as he was laser focused on it well over the next few months. He became very agitated. Every time he used the swords ancillary power some bad stuff happen finally in a fit of picky yelled. That's not right. I have the module you're not playing the sword properly as you looked up at the rest of the tables horrified looks is he tried to backpedal well somebody the day will not me dumped his bag onto the table in it were not only several modules we played or looking to play but xeroxes as of my notes or at the same place where bring my bag of DM stuff to work and we would play after work needless to say that was his last game at my table. Last time I ran module. I continue to read them ideas but wrote every single adventure Iran for years later. I still create all my own material that that's that's a level of. Why are you doing Sean. I've talked repeatedly about man. I wish I could recapture the wonderment like it did the very first time while this guy has no interest in anything anything no real real exploration. No wants to know everything. Wow that's some dedication there yeah. That's a guy who spends way too much time opening Kirkman presence in pretending he doesn't know what they are way too much work. Wait could story the well. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for sharing over. You certes radio. It looks a little deeper into cheating on the forums says the sad thing about cheating is that it doesn't feel good anyone not even the cheater. How long can you play a game on God mode and Brag about it. I guess my first thought would be try to figure out the why why is this player cheating. Why do they need succeed so badly. Is there some way that I could help them. Grow out of their immaturity. I mean it's not on the GM to be a psychotherapist but sometimes this should is easy to figure out maybe giving them a bit more attention building up a little trust and then handing them. A weak character plays a challenge because they are obviously a good player. Wow you know you really really good at this here. I'm GonNa give you the underpowered age in a wheelchair. You're going to have yeah yeah. I know I know you own. The group can play this one right this right. Wink wink nudge nudge. The suzerain started getting into that. I'm like who touchy feely like it well. It's true though I mean honestly. There's it's kind of we ask like what the fuck is wrong with people now. That's a rude way to say it but the other pieces like wow. Why would you feel the need to do that. I say that enough during my day job yeah no need. I just saved my hobby but good thought right. I mean there is especially if you know people and you can and you pay attention to them at the table like why are they doing this. You know we'll see if he could find a way to pull that from that. Gamer and make them not doing more to win. Ray Man mostly all right Blake Ryan Ryan pointed out creating addition character of creating a second character in Adhd Sean. I talked about this is why people came back at a level lower or not so he pulled this this often sent it to us. He sniffed us out of that. ADM's guy experienced players while existing characters should generally be brought in the clean out existing existing character without existing characters. Oh excuse me excuse me experienced. Players without existing characters should generally be brought into the campaign at a level roughly awfully equal to the average of that the other player characters. If the average is four for example an average die or default plus one can be rolled to find a level between between two and five. This actually works well. Even if the average experience level campaign is five six or seven or even eighth especially when the average is used if the experience levels above eighth you'll wish to start such newcomers out a fourth or higher level after all. They're not missing out on anything as they they have already played being character roles elsewhere. They will not have then they will not have to be virtually helpless and impatient in exceeding an important important characters in your campaign. Is You give them a substantial level to begin with fourth fifth or sixth for instance. You might be a position. Take a different approach. There are several experienced newcomers in your campaign by adapting and method given below the complete neophyte interesting so if your players experienced ah if you've already gone through the low level doldrums we'll bequeathed sean a die roll to determine which character level you come in at how wonderful that's well. That's the problem is is that okay the first edition. ADHD is all the classes had different experience points to garner any level. Oh yeah that was that was a little more interesting interesting pieces. You could like rocket up the thief path for awhile struggle and other things provide the magic user because they weren't wizard yet magic user who made his way her way. Well okay so went into three. Oh in everybody to hit I levy at a thousand second level was three thousand whatever aber was yeah even playing field with me expertise no matter what class you're playing so this method. If it sounds wonky you guys. The game was frigging. Wonky plant wonky just a different way to go about it. Wonky wonky walkie aw look eighty players and players just can't you just can't handle descending armor class act coup and VACCO second edition well. I suppose that's where came into its own but I don't know it's one of those games are just like I know this. The problem is there too just too cerebral for you. They are just not ready for that. You need the simpler games. You need some kind of juvenile game like chutes and ladders level. Hey do need shootings and ladders the role playing game. Lets you can't find what I need. That's funny example what that is but I don't. I'm GonNa I think what I'm GonNa do is. I'm going to take some of the older games probably specifically eighty. I'm just GONNA open it up and I'm GonNa read something Anthony. I'm GONNA come home runs chrome across the package package a passage. That's like Oh my God and I'm GonNa take that passage and I'm gonNA featured on the show rant about it. Oh you can just go through the chart of the various different euphemisms for prostitute okay. There's only trawl will blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. There's a ton of them. Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's there's all sorts of weirdness. Yeah I'd be on the lookout for that minor production election who that'll be fun game once again a game trying to Kota Fi everything in the weirdest way possible anyway over user jeans writes in about art in our P G's his sean and Brett. I'm a longtime listener to your show in my opinion one of the premium offerings when it comes to RPG gaming podcasts the era that too fast allegro yeah in my opinion one of the premium offerings when it comes to our BG giving podcast thank you so much work done to human you touch on a lot of great topics topics in the back and forth conversation between you guys natural and rain reminds me of when my friends and I chat your show also has a great run time in the sound quality is excellent. Thank thank you thank you thank you the less part especially as all due to sean show on their own some quality all right so I just listened to the episode on Art and Roleplaying Games. It's more than art that more than fine art or pop art fantasy and sci fi art as phone and RPG's novel covers is my i. Love de Sandy alone has enough great pieces discussed for hours and I too highly recommend watts sees recent art in our Qena Book. What are some of the game are books. You guys zone have art of the dragons. I Have Art of Dragon Magazine. Oh yeah that's a good one. I don't have it but dragging magazine the art of the Dragon Lance I wanted it and I don't know why I don't have it. I have to find that I have to find that because some of the most amazing stuff was in there. I do have speaking of art if we take cartography into play the I can't remember the lady who did them but there was a there is a dragon lance map book. It's a soft cover in half by eleven book and she did the same with I. I think forgotten realms perhaps but it was just amazing. It's really really well done. That's also already yeah give some of my personal favorite works are the demon idle cover cover of the ADHD first edition PHP though I prefer the easily covers for the monster manual and DMG The elmore cover on the expert box with the dragon flying at the Ryder the pair of Aero Otis covers on the one thousand nine hundred one base in basic and expert sets Parkinson's Lord Sauce Charge Moser also anything Clyde Caldwell did in particular the covers for the deity gives a tear line. Dad is an awesome line. That is some of in my opinion for my money. That's some colds best. Work sure love it. As a big raven law fan I liked his work there as well and have a framed print of the great cover of the Raven law realm of terror blackbox with vampire holding the dark haired Woman Back Lit by the Moon Nice also huge plains scape fan and no setting in my opinion except for maybe dark sun is more defined by the style of a single artist. The Great Art of Tony Tony Deter lizzy captures the other world league the weirdness perfectly. It's only just turned. Fifty bucks turned fifty on twitter. I saw that Happy Birthday Tony Artis out there. Thank you for all you've done sir. I believe you asked if anyone has ever bought something based on the cover alone for me. That would be the first edition of the seventh. Crp g the Dave leary piece on the cover of the Gay Masters Guide with the Dueling Pirates sold me on the whole idea breath. I'm a big fan of elmore. Star frontiers cover discover on the first edition of the shadow run of shadow. Run is another great example that screams play this play this game all yes. I love that cover. That was the thing that maybe look at Chateauroux onto. I totally get into this third edition for sedition for it. Is I very first addition Yep. I have an art question for you guys. Is there a particular type of game art that you enjoy most by this. I mean is it. Full color paintings used used for covers or full-page spreads black and white line art depicting scenes in the game art showing characters fantasy landscapes etcetera. Ah Who I don't know men. I like all of it. I think it is on a case by case basis some some games for my streets avalon wanted black and white it felt the most Nuwari it felt like it would fit we talked about it and we're like you know co color cover to appoint but we still want to go black and white it just it felt right. I think in certain games black and white just fucking rocks as interior art. I'm honestly some of the over glossy full color masterpieces that some. RPG books are now actually find her to read. 'cause I'm old my reading glasses as-as glare clear from the from the super glossy and his bothers a lot of my eyes sometimes but I don't know I think you're right it. Is it applauded. Sean it depends. I think it really does yeah I could get. I could pick a piece. That's black and white. I could pick a piece. That's a cover in each category for each and there would be one that each one of those pieces in each one of those categories. I would enjoy equally really. I think it is similar. It's the evocative power for whatever reason you see a piece and you say while I want that thing to happen or I wish I was there seeing what was going on or even just walking that landscape you know really as a side note. I back the streets Avalon kickstarter and just received my print copies of the book. God is twenty nineteen. I have to say I'm really enjoying it so far. I like how grim ingredient is while. I've mostly played various editions De. I think this would be a fun setting to use to to test drive my copies of hander grim perilous. RPG interested to hear if you guys have read or played that or the war hammer fantasy RPG which clearly inspired hired in particular. I'd be curious how you'd adopt adapt avalon to use it versus using Didi keep up the Great Work James James James. I have under Shawn called me my attention to a sale for big hefty hardcover for that. I would totally use that. I think that's a really good idea. In fact fact I think my next I'm going to play test it with my group after I'm done running run Delta Green up next after that's done and I go back back to Avalon the city with my team applauds hunter and give it a go. I think it'd be a great fit. I have played war hammer first edition fantasy. RPG that's my favorite were hammered. Tradition love it ever really good time with a look at it as being that's not as steeped in the war hammer world. I may be adapt a little bit more to my world so if and when I get a chance to pull it off like I want l. Let everybody know but yeah. I totally think you could do them and thank you for backing taking the kickstarter Holy Crap Dude. That's very kind of you. Thank you very much really appreciate it from you. Know that's it all right. Harrigan writes about art and our PG's guys getting recent episodes as usual good work every few comments in question favorite art pieces back in the day in the eighties actually found a a Lotta. Tsr Art pretty terrible even as a young teen at least really black and white stuff in the modules with the exception of guys like Tim Chairman. Oh my God I can't believe didn't mention termine intrigued does amazing work amazing stuff well elmore and easily and company came aboard and got that House style rock and that was awesome except for called Wells Oval Gemstones. I hated aid those one of my favorite things. Each month was waiting to see the cover of a new dragon magazine and there's some really good ones. The Best of my humble opinion was one twenty six. Daniel horns horns unfed giant fighting the archer God's I love that cover had his damn good cover. We've gotTa Lincoln the shown us to that review. Don't check the link go on Daniel Orne Dragon magazine number one to six check that out that is a beautiful piece of work on the importance of art freaking hugely important. RPG's can't subtle on on a style or tone or or that have ten artists with different approaches to the work. It drives me crazy. Even if the great I want to be consistent house portraying the setting the themes of the game having a single artist helps a lot checkout games like Mayfair's incredible underground. RPG from the nineties dream pod nine stuff from that same period heavy gear the Jovan chronicles articles even something as simple as the black hat can nail it last thing on this is so important to me that often won't bother to read the preview slash artless versions of a game. I help kickstart. The text is there but those plain white pages don't inspire me much those are but there are some cases where no art is better than bad art found a lot of art from mythos Monsters Kassim Cauca three games pretty bad over the years. I think trying to illustrate love crafts wacky. Ideas often goes wrong image in our our imaginations can do better. I gotTa say you're right man. It's tough to draw something. That was not meant to know it's tough to do. I WanNa make knowable that which no human being is should know. Let's try this. Okay a question and file common to close in your recent episode on cheating you touch on players reading reading muddles the DM is running. Remember I ruined in entire. Dragons campaign fledgling damn doing by doing that except never read the module just a stupid novel anyway. I've been going to cons recently and after long hey this runny live games going to die back in planning something it will likely Lena Module. Is it better practice to this module. I'm using or not pros and cons both ways thoughts lastly. Thanks for for thanks last night looking forward to hearing the upcoming recordings of Jeff so the front arrogant saw if you're gonNA WANNA know us are I'll tell you what I put the module on their tuna horrors running game whole con- I'm GonNa run to a horse the only thing why did you pick the name. That's what he wants to know. Why did you put the name running exactly that module. So what what he's saying is should you lean. Is it better practice to list the module or not well. He's not saying that forbade him. He's news. It better practice just to let module. I'm using or not you're not reading the context though breath yeah. He wants to know if he should bother to run it because he doesn't want anybody to have read it provide. I'm planning on something. Os are issue and I will likely lean on a module yes. I don't know if leaning means he's going to be running it for them or he's done done. Where does it go from your perspective. You'RE GONNA run over. 'EM PUT DAMN title on. They're not you say you're not in. You're only using it for inspiration. Russian and you're deviating from the module or you're just using like the map or you're just using PC's than I would not you could say inspired by you could say inspired by if you wanted to get your point so if I were to say hey we run eyelid dread you show up in its own spaceship motherfucker. This is an island dread. It is a great inspiration of dread and it's on the planet and you're like Dick. No what I wanted now. Harrogate is saying is then why is considered cheating because I'll say oh. That's not the player could say I wanted to play our Trad. I've played it before a now. I'm running in playing in con- hey what's going on yeah. It's concert different that way in my opinion. I don't think people play a module game at convention to manipulate the module. I think they'll do it out on like I would imagine the people signing up for my game is simply doing it because they've heard of the module have played it ever run and have and or have played it in the past but don't I would hope they're not joining just to manipulate the crap out of and walk through it. I would be willing to say because some people are Dick's. Yes somebody out. There is doing that at cons. We'll see that person is a bad gamer sure most most people if they look at it say you're running you know layer the lizard king senator secret of Salt Marsh. You're running sundown alternates. Wow Oh that's cool. I remember having so much fun playing that one. That'd be fun to do again whatever else and if they show up and have a good time. It's a convention game and part of that whole draw for that is the nostalgia the fun if somebody's trying to win by saying. Oh push all three watching the same time. Oh don't step on the third Black Square step on the fourth leg square that level of detailed Atarot too much. That's what I'm saying yeah. I just don't know to what that level is like if somebody ran pharaoh I'd I'd probably WanNa play it but I don't. I mean I know the premise but I don't know all the details of it. So what is the one Basic Team D. It is the the lost city when the desert yeah with the big ten or so. Rasha runs this and he had people come up to you. We're GONNA play this game. Hey Hey he's running into the game ups banner Jazz Jerash Grade Yeah Yeah. Do you know if he's how he's GonNa do it because I love that module and I signed to play because I really love in a mortaring how he does it because it's so big. I said you know. I honestly don't know how he's going to pull it off but he only has however many hours to do it so I said I I know rash or he's a good dude. No it wasn't Jae Russia. Who has its the Guy Oh shit. I'm losing my brain. It's not rusher. your friend from that. I met he's from the twin cities area Minnesota Jason Jason Rafer there. We'd go Jason Good. God sorry apologized to both Jason Jerk so anyway said Jason Good Dude. He's got this. I talked to him. He gave me some ideas of what he's doing this but I'm not GonNa ruin it for you. Go there and experience it against. You'll have a good time really highlight. Four four hours racers got like just a short period of time to do it so whatever he did. The guys came back to me and said Oh. I'm so glad to spoil anything had a good time so so that dude and the two games with him specifically signed up for it because they love module and wanted to see how somebody else ran it so I think you have people who do that and because you know there's so many different ways means policies devices that people have to try to do sanfer games and such. I think it would be worth earth listing the module even if you say inspired by if you know you're gonNA deviate strongly as you say or you could simply say. I'm running this module and when someone shows up in jerk. It's not how that works. You can say well. We only have four hours. I don't have a month. Play this big thing or whatever so it makes sean you by that. I mean you can get anybody in a game yeah. It's going to cover the gamut who knows but get your point. If you were to say to Mo- horrors then you showed up it was tumour's is in space people like what do you mean to. Moore's in space so I suppose being space is just too much right. If you'RE GONNA run it enough that people should be able to recognize it then say the name these same degree though I I guess that's what you're saying yeah so much from the module then I duNNo. It's a judgment call. I can see go either way but I think if you're going to run run it really for Beta are as close to it is possible or just put in the description like tumour's tumour's. This was tumour's. This is going to be too horrors in space with some minor modifications that Outta I might sign up for the game six the spaceship but find themselves in an ancient tomb of yeah had why not right look. I could actually be interesting. That's space hulk measure right there on mash up from last episode anyway okay here again. I have no idea we actually answer your question tchernoff. We didn't please let us know and we'll try again over you. Sir Edwin Nagy this one goes back I think he he commented never never prepared and so we you're talking about like putting things on the players. Oh yeah shirking duties. He's the subject line. Perhaps there's a difference between asking leading questions sounds about the players characters versus about the world. Why is your character here feels different to me than why is the duke unhappy as GM I tend to stick p centered questions and as a player I tend not to enjoy world centered ones this concept may also be one one of the key differences between story and traditional games. I don't like them. I don't like either turn but hopefully they get the idea across cheers Edwin Edwin. That's it's interesting character centric wise you care to hear versus. Why is the way the way it is. You can answer something about the world hello from a character's perspective right but it is obviously colored by whatever lenses character sees it through. That's interesting. I thought about about that argument I would have an win is that if you get the players to comment on the world peace then there's an argument that they would would be more vested in the world. I think it could go either way. Though I think without a win here to defend himself I would I I would say at the beauty of this show. Nobody's selves tear them down all of them. I would think would say that's why I asked character specific questions because then Brett's character Eileen scared to say I believe my character believes the duke is unhappy because of a failed marriage and and the fact that the dragon has stolen son that your characters Lens you saying something about the world through the character's perspective and because it's the characters perspective Edwin Game Esther. It's that's interesting now that matters that's just a rumor. Okay Neat your characters free to act on that however they wish wish it doesn't change how the world is set for goes contrary to a world. That's fine who can say hey sean how do you what is your character feel about the empire because well hi. I think the emperor's really decent guy. He's doing the best you can corrupt Senate Blah Blah Blah sorry and that's your character's perspective and it doesn't it says something about the world because if you feel that way you are either alone. Crazy person believes that by themselves or you learn that from parents are a group you belong to and so forth so I think it's still says things about the world but from a character's perspective which gives the game master freedom to to Benfield spindle mutilate a little bit more perhaps share I guess he rather people to your point would be like no. I want to say something about the world stick right. Yeah I WANNA be able to say goblins are misunderstood. Yes it's it's a horrible horrible race war that we have against goblins and their misunderstood and it's a cruelty that there's a bounty on Goblin years this this terrible arable is morally unjust and that's the thing I want. I want in this world that want to stick some gamers like that stuff other games like anew that's not right interesting interesting thought provoking short one man but you got me thinking. Sean Casey the smoke from years. One can all right who else we got Chris. Your rates are calls balls in again go Chris. Hey Brenton John. It's Chris sure thanks for my voicemail. On last time I learned two do things. The first thing is that I guess microphone on my Little Apple headset. Thing is blessed because my audience is terrible. Hopefully this is better not really have a way a checking but I'm just talking directly into my phone right now. Second thing I learned was about corporate. Speak I appreciate being called out there. apparently calling during lunch between one corporate meeting in another impacts my oh there it is boom thinking anyway and also made maybe learn at acquisitions. INC is probably not the game for me because I Kinda WanNa get away from that corporate speak when I'm playing games which is a good segue into your topic for the last week. These genre blending which I thought was an awesome topic. Very piece is one of my favorite favorite modules. I loved shatter on. I love the shadow. GotTa run setting. I didn't particularly like the shadow in rules. I think I'm in along on the same page as as bright and the also John I'm not sure is the right term. I think genre I think things like oh how the story is told and how outcome of the story is so like romance genre unrest. I see noir genre you know I see horror as Jonah that suspense. I'm not sure that the forgotten realms setting I think he's these are more talking about setting elements that are impacting and kind of blending with each other. I think that so I'm not I don't know if that necessarily is Germane to your discussion. I think if we had implemented the word we use the word setting instead of Zana. I think it would be the exact same conversation and get it. A lot of people don't like their settings to blend you know but a lot of people love it. I'm thinking dragon. Rider attorney got dragons there with the far future setting reading like you guys talked about. Shara the post apocalyptic with fantasy. I did take one last point is I didn't think I don't like my science fiction to a have kind of that past oil that passed oil sort of fantasy blend to and like I can't think of it I wouldn't be interested so much in the traveler game where they land on a planet and like the forgotten realms that Moore who will now. I'm thinking about it. Maybe that would be interesting anyway. Great Show thought provoking appreciate it guys. Thanks Chris. That's interesting. I think that if I were to go back up a dictionary definition of genre I think how people experience genres in the setting which is kind of interesting because I know Tim Tim to Shane and I were talking on on twitter he posted something up and I and he said you know he tends to run every game of his tend to have some horror elements in it because because you know even in dnd sticking your head on a dark hole to see where the colts our is kind of terrifying so I'm paraphrasing. Would what Tim said and I'm like yeah. I kind of agree might stuff. Tends is the to go that route. I think setting is often or the mixing of the different setting component as one of the easiest ways to talk about genre versus tones and themes sometimes we might have to revisit that we'll do a little research and find out Lord okay. It's tough Chris. Thank you you yeah thanks Chris. You ready man and he almost got into corporate. Speak Right in the middle can make some impacts you ready. Yeah who who who you ready no no. Yam Ready so Sean God you're Runnin. It's called CA- through the game then yeah I'm running through your latest love. You hate all of the Games you as you talked about burning all your other books and only coca through. That's ally How's going man. Are you liking group liking it as a going well. Are you finding out the off more than you can. Chew learn lessons. Your your your module running adventure running guy published Guy House the prep to play ratio working out late on me brother where you get so lots cover Bradley. Ah No start somewhere and let's see where we go so for those of you nat in the know run massive narrow or tap. Yes Uh narrow lethal tap and it's six hundred sixty six pages long. It's a hefty book men twenty eighteen eighteen version which is two books split in half lots a handouts so the big the the if if you're if you want to know about this or if you do not want to know about this adventure then probably WanNa tune out spoilers may come about his adventures been out since forever dude. I know but still alright alright alright for. I mean fair warning. Let's talk about this before you get into like the craziness about the adventure itself self or whatever Liaskas you're running to pre published adventure and things that's interesting to me is what I have read and tried to run a published call Kasulu thing I've found on that reading it and understanding and so on I'm like okay. GotTa make sure I'm ready for this. Evening's game Blah Blah Blah. I find I am. I am like fifteen sessions. Nations make up a number here way ahead of where the fuck the players actually get to it feels like a Catholic type game moves much slower than A. D. Module does that Trudy Sarah Fair. I would agree. Is that throwing your game off man. No I say you're talking about your game master game. You're prep crappier. Your readiness to you have too much in your head and you're trying to rush people long or no. Yes ask the good solid simelane. I'm one of those that every host wants on their show to interview would be great interviewer. Don't like it interviewed. Beaulieu like it nope ice could that I had read it to the premise of mask ask is it started at a particular point and the hook for the player characters to SOM-. Tom Didn't make sense you kind of had to be quick by in their into a relationship with Jackson. Elias with the one thousand nine hundred eighty some version they came out with the community came out with kind of a prelude. Oh why you know why you all buds with Jackson. Analyze why shit that something happened to correct and it's an adventure that kicks off that relationship than then that goes into the major masks campaign campaign so it was like an addendum that they did the community did so. I ran the addendum which is then going to. I mean I can tell you the premise because you could just read it gay masters going to tell you about it your task to go to Peru because there's a Mr Larkin who kind of asks you to join him in Peru to find a a pyramid in the Andes that it may have fortune so depending on your character. You may be out for the fortune. You may be archaeologist. That's looking into in two long lost civilization. Will you know whatever archaeology anthropology ties Blah and then if you're another character maybe your bodyguard of another player character fair enough the adventure ensues Blah Blah Blah and then it ends and then you go into mass ass which takes place five years later okay five years later in New York that kicks off the big mystery so going back to my game Brett's Br. I get to talk this whole episode. I know water notes. Note students actually France throwing me a softball. He's like outside sounds great yeah yeah yeah so going to the game name one of the things some running pulp rules which I mentioned in the past. No that's interesting though because a lot of times I think anyway that pulp. Coke Hulu move faster. I agree and it's a little rough because we I've never run through so even just like combat them like a Okay Yeah player. Josh is a good guy. I think he means listen to the show on occasion but you know Josh knows the rules of games pretty well. He knows how stuff flows and he's not afraid to look it up and he presents it very well. He's lawyer. That's awesome yeah so he'll be like no. You know it's supposed to work like this or hey you shot at. You're not supposed to like if you take dodge can't do another dodge yep right right something like that so it's a little clunky that way but anyways the characters are good. It's a little different than what they've played in the past I would say everybody's bought in back is even getting. I'm trying to get back into it. Okay that's good because I think the last time I mentioned about the game knock was falling asleep at the table. Yes you did so. I had to keep a kid like move things along because sometimes you get a little. Lawley and it's you know lolly talking about this in an investigation game. Sometimes even if it's you and you're like well everyone has all the court closed got a whole bunch of extremes clues how what they actually do with those clues moving along and then if you introduce danger especially in a high mortality game you know where if you get shot you're fucking out of it right people turtle up real fast so keeping a movement is a big deal and because going back to the pope thing you know they'll say like. I take a shotgun. You know it's going to shoot them. Oh okay they're coming at Ya. It's right say something catchphrase something. I don't know it's dying time burner blow bloom way not he's eight these guys bomb heat. These guys something like kick it up right. This is your stereotypical ca through game right. I Dunno twirl your frigging shotgun in your fingers spin it around spinning around man crazy bring him back back holster. Tommy guns and you look at for me coon all right so I'm getting those guys to get into that a little bit like I'll say hey doc pope ban. What would you do anything special saying. Do things like I say this. Okay Awesome Man Sore are your players actually having hard time grasping pulp and and they're thinking so old school that went old school is wrong kind of standard if you will call Khufu are they overplaying call Khufu therefore I must play this way. I think there's a sense of being relatively reserve serve soon in ever on it in the Dandy setting. It's very pulp noir and you know it embraces all out of bad or in its should and some of that comes from the setting itself and some of the components that you run into when you talk about. Khufu and you talk about pulp the I think there's a couple of things that are working against me and the players don't play call through all the time and it is called Khufu. Yes so the pulp rules rules. I think is just some may look at and go well. It's just a way to have more hit points or be a little tougher or be able to survive but not actually embrace pulp okay so if the character of this we can he or she can last a little bit more but I'm not going full bore. I'm not immersed in pulp yeah. My name is not you know. Dirk Dirk Flesh Arts Dirk flasher. Whatever right like Rudd's deal right. Yeah you know the amazing adventures of insert the guys or women's doc savage man Lebron's man so I think it will eventually get there. I don't know because even with mass okay so the first adventure is very I would say it. Is Your Kinda a typical module as it is to a traditional role playing game K. There is a little bit of mystery but it's really not there. It's an adventure are they're still moving through. It's slower than I'm going to. Yes okay. They are yeah when I read it took. I don't know how many five sessions to get through and they should probably if you think old school. DND module like two games out here on the big stuff. Maybe okay. Here's what. What did you think when you read it when you read the whole thing? Did you think that one night we're done or did you think that take a month or what. I I thought it would take a little while. Maybe not as long as this. I think we had one session where things really didn't go anywhere and so I wanted to even in the end at the end of the set of they. I blame you 'cause they. Should that's usually they don't do that all right. They don't know better not allowed. No okay there. Maybe I'm not allowed even in the end where kind of could get squirrelly as far as what's really going on. I kind of just made shit happen and go. I want to get into the nuances of okay well. They do this and they gotta do that kind of gave them a problem. I expedite the issue by having them attacked. Oh by the way I charm two of them and now they gotta deal with to charm to characters that are in favor of some Colt Yeah. They're under suggestion right there nice magically Kinda like hey. You're going to do this for only GonNa do this for you. So now at these two goons like hey I gotta go get a Crowbar hacks and then we'll things you talked about with coca through. You loved the role playing aspects of it. The less hacky slash e so part part of me thought man. Is he going pulp. 'cause he's trying to end up with more hacky flashy but are you getting. Are you getting the role playing field that you wanted to out of this. I mean are those the things you love when you when you played it cons and you were getting into it. Are you getting that roleplaying Russia. You're open you would get. I I am that good. That's why would say I would say. It's a little like crystal is into it. I mean she brought up like a four page backstory for a character. You're so she's in cool. Jimmy is in and Josh. I would say so if I had to rank them. It'd be like crystal Jimmy Josh Doc. Okay and I'm not saying that docks not fully vested. It's just how those other guys are kind of at the table all doing their thing. There's just a bit of difference in how they play got it cool. Yeah 'cause I was depending. You could get a bad table for any game right right and some games don't Mesh well with certain groups. They don't for whatever reason so I'm I'm happy for you. Honestly that it's working. That's very cool. Good here well with this one. It's it's again. It's very I think linear some even say that. There's a bit of a railroad tickets kids bikes Mike. Is there anything about this at then. You look at it in now when you get. I know enough about masks. I've played played through first pieces of Nola version thereof in New York and so did you do the Peru. Peru now started on New York. Yeah you didn't do Peru who then and then we end up we ended up going to England and then the campaign died. lenny ran again with a different group we went to England and then ended up in in Egypt. I came in how we how we ended up there. We definitely made it to the desert. Pretty quicken things get ugly. Star Vampires increase police say one thing I do. I tell you one thing. The grossness that has occurred has struck a chord to some degree. Are these players. Catholic players or this is their first four into Khufu. That's a good question Russian. I don't know if any of them have played through. Actually they all didn't have any of the books okay so my guess is they had never played before or if they have they're not got there weren't fans enough to go and buy the stuff right and it might have been a one shot but as far as I know none of them have played Cauca through because they were like I was reading up on leveling and you know all this stuff you know increasing your abilities and your skills not easy to do Blah Blah Blah right. I'll I'll tell you one of the one of the things that I like about a game like Alka through from not only different genre setting rule system and so forth but if you're not a fan and insofar as you don't play regularly. I wouldn't be surprised at some of the players who are really getting into it. Are One of the reasons are really getting into is because they are feeling that old old wonderment that you and I talk about all right because it's almost like. RPG is new again because things are very different especially if you're a DVD player not the DVD's bad obviously but if you're used to a certain to you just played shadow run or you played star Trek or star wars or or whatever and then you jumped into this. It's a different feel yeah. Have they dealt with the Sandy Lafayette. They have law sanity. Some have spent spent luck to not be too far off or the government that I'm going insane. I don't know how that's going to go. I think I I think Jimmy Jimmy and crystal. Will they have no problem like okay getting into that doc and Josh I think they would they don't. Oh have any adversity to do it but I also don't know if they would understand that that's happening. Okay and how to actually Kinda like DOC would do it. Yeah I know but it wouldn't be into the same to the same extent but with going into New York though when I'm trying to say is from Peru to New York the adventure and adventure of mass literally becomes a clues murder mystery stree- goddamn sandbox dude while in the thing is that so when when they are going to get these things so I have a lot of handouts. I give them handouts. They're very oh here's a letter. Oh it's not a letter as a ACLU. It's a letter as a piece of information Russian yes where now with mask when they show up in New York. They're gonNA come across in Jackson's apartment or maybe not stuff. They're GONNA come up. They're gonNA come across stuff yeah I did. It's just going to be put in front of them. Is this matchbox of any use. Yes is this tin type. Anything is this I photograph the fact that the type Anna photograph the fact that there's a new a stack of newspaper clippings and this and this and this right it can be the overload can hit right well. That's soon I'm waiting for so Josh has been taking pictures of all the clues and he stores them in his IPAD and I'm sure you can go in reference and back and forth. I have a whiteboard with magnets on and attack act stuff up there in the end. If these guys don't start taking notes and figuring out like shit is going to get real for them where where they're not going to know which way's up if they just collect all this crap this is very much if people have played night's black agents tip thing before one of the things that that has the pyramid mid and so on and shake it's escalated on you in. Cauca through is one of those classic things where if you were going up against a cult or multiple colts or aid or any ally league or or some horrible deity or whatever it is you start fucking about wow. I seem to have delved into something. People are not meant to know I'll just dick around for awhile and kind of do this. Maybe go the social and have a Sandwich and Oh my God cultist kick in the door. That's what happens you fuck around too. Long the bad things you start coming for you and if you're not paying attention you don't take no. It's like okay. These guys have stars on their heads. I thought the people were fighting didn't have stars in their. Where did these people come from well. You didn't take notes five sessions back and you missed the star. Clue and you miss this or you weren't paying attention. There's a lot of nuance he stuff so sean from your perspective the game master you're looking at this when they miss the nuances or they have all the clues but they can't make shit sense of it. Are you doing something yourself to prepare to like. Hey I got a bill to help these cats out when they get in a bind and they can't figure it out to lend them a hand. You're just GonNa let them stew in their own piss. What are you gonNA. Do Oh well. It depends if if I do if I'm feeling generous yeah we'll pull them out of the muck that and if I'll have to have them spend some luck there you go get a mechanical thing like do you burn some luck. Burr luck yeah and gumshoe turmeric. Oh I can't help you that you WANNA WANNA. Give me a couple couple of points spend spend spend spend spend some shit and then I will but the thing is it will be very hard for them not to they they will. I don't think they'll get lost. I think my fear is that they will get overwhelmed because I think they're going to get clues. That are pretty blatantly. Obvious like Oh so here is a business card to this company. We should go to that company. Be Ten of those. What do you do go. You can't go at once while I'm saying from it. Over from overwhelmed overwhelmed perspective is that we're talking about too many obvious things to follow up on that is part of it or they're get too many overtime and then they're not like putting them altogether altogether because I think once they start on a particular track they may split up which will be great yeah because I think split in the Party and Kacoos probably not a bad thing. That's a terrible idea. Almost any game man the research shows the research and shit all depends how bad the cultists want him dead yet fair but right now. They're off the grid like they don't know yet. They can operate in just about to start getting into the shit so I guess what I'm asking is. Do you have a bag of tricks from your from gay mastering other game systems really hey if they get overwhelmed overwhelmed. No I know how to pull this out. This is all new to you have no idea no idea seriously well. I mean I think I will be able to depending on what the situation is right so if they go indirect if they get the clues which so there's some situations in the even in the beginning which you've played Brett where depending on what you do you who or how quickly you act. You'll either get more clues or non. Yes or some yes so. It's like if you if the players this delay okay they're not gonna get everything or they may come across to delays caused problems bright but if they're quick on the feet and they get in there than they could unravel everything they could catch something in you know they get all of them or whatever. I have actually contemplated just like hand waving that crap and just say hey this is. What did you find in the room. Amongst all the rummage keeping the keeping the clues flowing instead of well. They acted too slowly slowly so therefore the only get three. Oh if there's ten and okay that's one way I'll tell you one of the things I have done over the years is that when the players get overwhelmed they look at me like I don't know what to data. Well then probably some. Is it there you go yeah. I honestly think that doing some race okay. Let's let's talk about this. Look at the White Board all the ships up there. Let's get the markers in your note okay. This is connected to this this this well. That's what they do yeah. I'm just saying you can get them started by handing him to craft CRA- handling the kraft paper pencils and and glue stick and let the kids go nuts real make some cool they'll make some cool folk art for you and guess what I get to do so beca watch nothing I get to do nothing and just watch laugh and grin and Mertz Merck yeah but they're questions hey ono no no was this was in the yard or the alleyway was the only way is it noon or five yeah four actually off fought four four well. That's what I'm waiting for. The questions that have no relevance owes the best I know because then you have to be careful because if you do give him a detail and they go so so it has a it's at eight o'clock yeah it means nothing and it means nothing. They'll latch onto that so I have to just say look. That's just it's I'll give you time but it's not relevant for the sanity of the players writes sometimes somehow how some players groove on that we got hooked on the on the clock based on Greenwich Meantime Turns out through the Rosen eight the world. We were wrong. Sorry about that so people don't care for the concept goes pear shaped. They don't get the in is not that the idea is get them to win or beat the monster just destroy whatever it is but if they if they're totally on the wrong track this where we've talked about red herrings before this is where were the players can accidentally grab onto red herring especially when they're opt their eyeballs in data sometimes have mercy in my opinion say look. It doesn't matter what time I will tell you right now. Your character is smart enough have to know that the time of day doesn't matter Greenwich Mean Time or Central Standard Time. That doesn't matter what matters is the position stars were in Yes the stars again part and then they're back-off to where they are. You can use the characters knowledge skills and whatever to help rapid answer some shit and get off of off of the thing but some players like fucking themselves and other people not much yeah. I'm really I'm really excited to see how because it kind of Wayne there for a little while and God not God all right. We're going to get done with this thing. Move this along. Get it to where it needs to go and then really I mean the guys that do vintage. RPG podcast one of those thanks to Horvath. Do He's run this twice. In Iran back. He ran the eighties version and then he ran the two thousand eighteen version and just so you folks folks know if you've even looked at either. The twenty eighteen version is pretty easy to run and I say easy to run as in. Where are they okay? Read the Paragraph Graf by reading the paragraph. It's actually things you can actually read out loud. It's not well written that way. Okay in is very clean cut his two. Hey do this thing and you can't go wrong yeah. That's there's Times where I'm like yeah. I prepped for this like a month ago and now they're at this part art. Okay read read read read read okay so I can say up to hear Crate da Da da Da da so there isn't a lot of Meta that if you just read a paragraph again do a ton of trouble set that aside so it's really nice especially when there's so much so anyway I stu horvath mentioned how he had one of his players like do something like four journals worth like journal in four of them worth of notes. It's ridiculous ten four. I don't know if she gets obscenely complicated game when I brought one to the table and said Hey here's a journal you guys skin like us to put scratch notes Joshi's digital guy so he went all the pictures and stuff but you know I'm just wondering if they're really going to get the grasp of how much crap APP is. GonNa come down on them information early. I don't know if you remember but I told you WanNa Rian trailer through the first time I had. I was running book. House of London and I bought a journal Leather. Bound Journal gave each player and I said you have to take notes for the session. Take no take notes and we pass it around the table. Everybody took a turn so the whole thing thing is written in sess handwriting his perspectives. Alpha's Lenny's Alpha did his all lenny a mind map alpha did like drawings and sketches shows and weird like cartoon figures and stuff and you read through the same. It's it looks like a madman's diary. It's really fucking cool and then I went back. I always took it home with me so go back through an ED stuff in red did. Did we do that or did you that I don't know because I'm looking at Nelson. Well Fuck who pays through it but anyway different I. I like the idea of providing them something like that even if they don't take you up on it you can tap that book. You see this thing yeah the fucking thing. I brought you to take notes in because it till Oh you need notes. I'm telling you you might want to slide start using this thing well and here's the thing when I think some are an I am even guilty of it. I think think they're thinking well. I'll just we're going to get the clues. We'll just follow the clues yeah but you'RE GONNA end up talking to like twenty. NPC's yeah so that's where the when they're going to get information formation from those NPC's that aren't like Oh. It's on this piece of paper sitting in front of me. You'RE GONNA have to remember what that person said two sessions ago. I think what's interesting is where. Oh you're my advice view whether daily but I guess is that if the first time they say who said that you say that was bobby the police officer guys here's the deal. You'RE GONNA run into a ton of people you're talking to. You have to write this down because we're a waste of time and I can't keep heap if you want me to regurgitate this. I'M GONNA Burn Luck from what I'm saying. I'M GONNA do it every time I mean if I'm a half do because it's pulp and they're gonNA be boost in their lockout all the time. If you want to help encourage them to take those notes yes drain a resource and tell them hey you don't Wanna get your shit drain dude. I write the shit down. Yeah I would agree. That's a good way to go. Yeah I agree. Is there anything we're going for a little our dude so sorry. Is there anything that you're learning as you're running flew here that you would that you think will help view either running different like when you're running called. Kasulu again like a new and you're already thinking of Steph or are you looking at this saying hey I could do. I could improve my other. RPG perhaps you know how you run a game Tehran Star Wars Yeah. I like this piece. I'm GonNa take this is going to inform my game mastering or inform my I play in some way. Is there something that now that you're more embroiled in other nuggets. You're pulling out saying I'M GONNA use that again. No matter where I go well I think the the one thing that is going to get in the mode of his at every non player character is going to have to be unique in how I present them which Indian D is fairly easy because I'm not dealing with twenty. NBC's at any one given time or they're going to be rea- dressed over. Maybe a couple of different times so when I present the cop or I present. Can't you know the lawyer or the news paper person or the reporter. I WanNa make sure these guys know. Oh who they're talking to when they're talking to so we've talked about this before you don't have to do the funny voices you can do the description well you know he sees coming takes his head off and begins twirling the Brim Yeah. That's what Tom Always does talking to Mary and and show Shuffles feet. She never makes eye contact. You ask her if she was always looks down. You know you've got to have that stuff. Yes if you WANNA make him unique right because I don't care what can keep pegging to keep consistent. I don't WanNA use grandma voice for reporter watched action action. Take time to teach English accent of you know like a are you a guy who writes in your books no so me. Bravo Goodman although I might if you want to heretics you're right in books would put the the notes next to the N. P. C. That says English accent stutters. Whatever was directly in the book? I don't know have you seen the gay master screen for missed the game master screen for masked is literally all the NPC's all that's wonderful you can write on the screen then that's all the NBC's a a few other kinds of nuances. I think few clues or how they connect them. I think you see the countries like how they she'll from. If you're not afraid to put sticky notes or Writing Peninsular you're right on the screen man Yeah Bat by the way I write on a game master screen. That's not a real book. I do that right being and it's this in its for this campaign like you're never. GonNa use the screen for anything else correct because you're right. It's and you decide well. Marianne Worthington is a British accent and lady cotton has a Australian accent and this person has from Germany and this person speaks with a stutter you could put uh on there and whether you're running for this crew or two years writing for a whole different crew. Hey guess why long look like a master because already built. I'm also going to have to keep track all this shit. Yes you are you. Are you doing whatever clues they have. You keep you in a separate stack. I'm putting Amara table. No no I know when you've laid their clues out and you click the clues at the end the session do you put them back in with all the other clues you to keep them separate so it depends on what what I've done was attacked them to the whiteboard. I know what I'm saying is at the end of the session where we clean up my vice frigging whiteboard okay so I put the whiteboard aboard to the side and all this shit on it. Oh and do you never take it down. No okay thank you. I thought you would take. I didn't know where you're playing politics. I'll they leave the whiteboard there. I just put it off in the corner but when we play I put it up on an Easel and then I heard it on the table. Sadat pours a glass of Scotch Stares at the board every night. You know to focus off in the corner yeah. That's what it looks like when you come in but I do have to keep track so here's the thing that I haven't done which it's really pissing me off. Is the clues okay. When you get the whole mass slip case you get all the paper clues as a lot of stuff from research. There's a lot of handouts but I have I have the HP lovecraft society props set and I'm pretty sure if I open that bitch chop and there's a matchbook in the handouts. It's a piece of paper. That looks like a match book. I think if I opened the prop set there's there's a fucking can batch book and so when Lenny runs it he has he loves making proxies a theater guy yeah when he made a fucking matchbook right he made photographs. Oh graphs did all of this right which I bought and have a haven't busted okay. All you got busted open. I know you gotTa do it. Man I know I do and then I gotTa uh-huh and what I've been doing with the paper handouts as I've been putting them in folders so if it's like New York I put all the handouts and that New York folder and then as we go through true I pull them out as they get them and put them out on the table and then at the end. I put him back in the same folder so put everything on the whiteboard where everybody sees it. If you keep all the cool oh shit on a side table or something. There's a look at it's right over there. I do. I know I can't pull the props. You paid all the props out. I know man very cool yeah or cool. It'll not this week that we're recording this on the eighth. We would play on the tenth so it'll be the seventeenth desire next game so I still have a week to like pasta. Open the prop set and put a ball together. I am debating. I know I have two different big. Ask Game ideas that I WANNA run for my group and I'm right now heavily leaning towards Delta Green Yeah. That's good money. It's yeah it's next if I had a choice because it's good so some so I got something already. I got something yeah that's up for that and I got a different thing that wanted to do to which is even bigger in scope openshaw ready to donald formerly yet but cool. This is awesome so you really taking it as much as you thought you would. I am but I think I'm going to get more because I think the Peru on was kind of to taste men yeah. It's it's like Oh. That's a chocolate covered strawberry. That's kind of NEAT. Oh I got a livestream Flaminio incoming. Oh Wow I first spiritus. Ho Bring that on right hasn't eaten tonight yet. No I haven't mongering cool bill. That's good. That's good yeah yeah so if I just board the shit out of you about my call Khufu game I apologize but it's going to ramp up to put some Info for Patriots dance. No I think this is good reason to ask you about this. Sean was because when we talk about Games a lot of times people have asked us for reviews right sometimes. Hey you did a really good rundown of this game system in that game system and sometimes that's neat but talking about. I've run CALICO through before I run Delta Green before this is your first go at it. I mean you've played it a bit but this is your first go through it and the fact that you're having a good time. You're enjoying it you liking the clues you liking this process as you go along. I think it'd be trained to check in periodically radically and at the end of it when he campaigns over however it ends where they'll go insane and die actually make it to the end whatever occurs it'd be interesting to get your opinion of. Did you have fun. Would you do that again. Yeah my biggest fear is that is so it's so long and that these guys will be aboard or something. That's my fear or I could too. I guess that's again part of it. I that's why I won't have kind of quasi. Regular check ins just to see how it's progressing in Seattle what you're doing now. It might be peace with the enemy saying it's awesome. It's fucking amazing but I can't run anything that big. I don't like it right the answer and that's totally fine but to my original point hearing somebody talking about a game system really enjoy how much fun on they're having with what they're doing with it. Other players interacting is just as good as review in my opinion. Sometimes that that get you fired up so very cool awesome yeah so thanks for listening to me babble about my tell me about your game story. Hey do exactly our podcast. We'll get to do this flight players. They'll be like tell me about your player story. Yeah let's go Darrell Darrell right the first one dungeons deceptions the first DVD players pushback on the legend Gary Guy Geck's which is an article on Co Taco by Cecilia Cadenas Anastasio Anastasio. Yeah I am amazed at the number of people who give give a shit about this stuff. Seriously will argue with you. Violently argue is to who founded who started did whether they were good game master or bad is crazy. Well this is this article is actually pretty good as it relates to history of the hobby and so there are some people like gets people totally as an it's all has to do with the release of of a blackmore the the documentary yeah. I find it interesting. When I I not that don't give show I mean to say that yeah but the intensity entity that some people the religious zeal some people in a very interesting carry on second one rules that Dungeon Masters should pretend don't exist an article on the game or Dot Com by Courtney Osteen. Some of its May Yeah Brett's disregarded all but yeah. There's a couple of there's or some it's somebody call. Click Bait but they were bruce. Cutting ten points out Steve Newton's new kickstarter on his DC adventure the last last will and testament of feltner ends October seventh two thousand nine hundred fund yet but it's pretty much there. It's like nine thousand nine hundred the hours of two thousand five hundred or something and I know Steve. I met him at Gary Khan Really Nice Guy Yeah. He is a twenty five hundred dollar goal. He's at two thousand twenty two dollars right now yeah and I think even before the show is like one thousand nine hundred so if you're interested in D. C. You want to check that out by all means. You know slick yeah. It's a western themed adventure so if you like this stuff and you got in non honor on Dr trails by the lady this might be this might be a little fun thing to adapt their when that comes out very cool sweet yeah so so. What are we talking about next week. Brett we're character. She Sean Yeah couple listenership this about this so I built the built the the notes a little bit ago. I think I shared out with you. If not you'll see it shortly and talk character sheets topic. I think it is the debut topic K. well there. You have it. 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Which Fast Movie is the Most Furious? - Movie Podcast

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Which Fast Movie is the Most Furious? - Movie Podcast

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It looks good. No look healthy from a faucet here. You're getting like angry. Viking luckier. Well this shit fuck it. This is my Charlie Hunan I'm going to try Charlie who from from the gentleman so James Charlie hunnam is isn't it? I have no idea. I've never heard anyone say his name. Hello everyone and welcome to this week's edition of Film House. I Nick Tim from kind of Funny Ellen is cardio an house week continues shirt. This share that dot com baby. Tim I think ours arrived. But they came to the studio via Fedex. And we just did. And we'll we'll we'll I'll I'll get around to going to fedex in about seventeen months and I'm sure it'll be great joining James from some stupid Youtube Channel. You've never heard of here to talk about all the movies because guys we all went on school right. Oh yeah film boy I dropped out. I'm the I'm the crazy went. I did okay well to be fair though I went to film studies school. So it's kind of like dropping out of a real film school and then and then wasting twenty thousand dollars. I think what what is the film studies all hands off like you didn't make anything you just watched other people stop you just nailed four years of college and right there James. Most of my favorite class was there was there was a history of film And then there was another history of phone class and then a third of history of phone class and then I graduate house pretty much. It I mean film would have been what hundred ten years old. Something I wanNa know what Tropez I can tell you. Yeah does that help. The Francis Ford Coppola Production Company. Exactly exactly he started that term. That's how they made Jack. Which is the movie. We are not talking about today. Surprisingly the one movie about Tim. Did you actually go to film school? I assume Grad. No I appreciate that very much but no I went to Cisco State for video production. So it's like it's not really a film school. I didn't pay anything so I think I made out best in this situation. You know as well as the general here is. You're not gonNA do things in life that you went to school for. That's how it goes typically for me and I just assumed that means everybody. Hey you guys ready to talk about the film industry as a love your tone right now at them. You're coming in how I think of you which is just very smooth. It's very nice. I've had enough shows with you this week. We're doing all these labs. I had maybe like ten minutes on the podcast. I miss you and I remember our time in Florida idea. Did you without context. It sounds weird. Yeah if only we could go back. Why can't we go back to to clarify we were at school in? Orlando Florida. Where a nice I believe? Cuban woman walked US around campus. She Cuban choose very nice. Well if you hadn't questioned it no one would have thought another thing about it but since you did question it now. Everyone thinks race. Yeah Damn every once in a while just to check in just to make sure I'm doing well. That was tossed she was our mother. Basically took US trying to tickets to get some like really good coupons. That's why she was Cuban. So this is a film podcasts. Yeah where we're talking about the greatest in Cuba no so big news going to run down these real quick. Hbo Max came out yesterday as a as of this rewarding this is the new digital frontier happening now quick disclaimer. The company we work for also is owned by. Yeah I know it's a yeah. We gain nothing. We gained nothing by tax lead at our ears. I don't know what we are technically. Still Warner media employees. Yes that's where we fall in the spectrum so but don't trust anything we say were coming at you as enthusiasts of media not as a corporate chills. But now we're in this amazing world where we've got netflix's Disney plus Amazon Sundance Channel qube shudder. I think there's jive Turkey jive. Turkey is my favorite. What did you see that channel? No it's a roku channel Jive Turkey. You don't get ads for this. Why am I getting served ads for this signed into my Roku on the home the homepage? Sometimes it will recommend shudder or other things. Sometimes maybe like once a week will recommend jive Turkey and Jive. Turkey is like blaxploitation films from the seventies and stuff. Okay so it's like always just like a big headed pimp or they just know and they're like they're checkout jive. Turkey one month free and I'm like his this month is when you're super low. You're like now it's time I need I. I assume everyone here has at least net flicks and possibly Disney pluses or any other and I guess Amazon right is that what. Yeah are there any you have was on whether you wanted or not? That's sort of the thought right. They trick you into getting and like by the way I mean. Everyone has Amazon. Because there's the free shipping is amazing that it just happens to randomly come with some amazing amazing eighties. Classic movies like once bitten while you watch that again but hey thanks for making it free. Max is kind of the same thing where it's Kinda like everyone has some form of HBO which essentially means you. Have Max like well that that always be there right because we had. Hbo Now it should be a go- HBO Plus Hbo Light. Goodbye nearby. Laws the impact. No but that's the thing is those meals you have Max. It's just confusing and you got to do a couple of steps and figure it out but yeah that's the thing for me where Mike Jira HAS HBO now. So that means we have Max. I don't really have any uses for it yet libraries Deep and vast and dope does because here because I'm still confused as the difference between. Hbo Max Hbo Hbo. Are they still three separate services that so who separate services because right now website this is? What is the difference between? Hbo Max Hbo Now. Hbo and they have a paragraph of information. Would you like me to read it to you? This is I know what it is. You'll go was was the digital delivery service of those that for those that were. Hbo Subscribers. But you needed to have an HBO subscription because they were still trying to tie it to the Archaic Cable Network Type Platform yesterday or give you hbo go but then they were like well. That's stupid we're literally saying that people can't give us money people that want to so they said created. Hbo Now HBO now. You basically get all. Hbo That on-demand Stuff. Except you don't need a cable subscription. You pay whatever even. Hbo NOW HBO GOES. What you get if you have cable channel that had an HBO HBO now you can do but the HBO. Max is a third platform that they've added that I think is taking over for. Hbo NOW HBO go. It's going to take over eventually. It's just right now. Offer structures not there because they're adding too much and they wouldn't be able to add all that to go rename it. They want to keep the subscriptions they have because there's a lot of money there but then they're going to push people over. I would imagine in the next year. Hbo Will Not Exist Anymore. It'll just make the most sense. Here's the question. I'm I saw your document this morning so I'm GonNa go on. Hbo Dot Com. Right now and check out all the great content they have and their website. Looks like a build your own website website right now. You have zero assist. You can't search any of the stuff there. Hbo Dot Com Right now. It's super comfy. People are using the website though. Well that's all right. Are you saying e while logged in? It's unusual I'm saying if if I don't know while log out I don't have. Hbo Max Account. I'M NOT GONNA pay for it but I would like to look and see if waiting for the punchline that documentary I was featured and you guys go watch over. Routes Dot Com right now is Is on this because a lot of the back catalogue Jerusalem stuff supposed to be on this right no I typed in I typed in waiting for. I got space ghost an episode of Sesame Street. So that's that's good company. Who Promised Me Rooster Teeth content on? Hbo They I I hope whatever hand job he got out of. It was nice but I don't know someone in a in a bar. Hail put you in wrister to be on. Hbo Stand Up. So my God. I I'd gladly receive and or hand out a couple of Handy's to have documentary on. Hbo Just to shut up all the COMEDIANS and San Francisco like HBO. Aw Come on now or I'm confused by all of you guys think that. Hbo Max is GonNa is going work. I think it's GonNa work because it's just I feel like it's so confusing but once people realize that the majority of people already have it. It's just give me like oh there's just more it's kind of like Amazon prime it just the Trojan horse where it's like. Nixed would have never searched for that random eighties movie. He sat earlier. But when it's in front of like Shit. I think it's the same thing here where it's like people. A lot of people might not be searching for the studio Ghibli movies. But when you're like Oh shit I'm gonNA check this out just because they're using. Hbo Max APP INSTEAD PROBLEM. Right now the roll out has been very subpar in terms of standards of quality. What we've seen with Disney plus and Netflix leading the charge in terms of four K. HDR dolby vision. All that stuff and it's real matter announced free dodd. Where it's like. There's there's nothing in four K. And you like even the the. Hbo Stuff that should be in. Four K. is not and it's like guys what the Hell you can't use the APPS on Amazon fire sticks which are like the fire pro any of that stuff and that's kind of like the enthusiasts preferred streaming platforms at this point And it's all because a back end deals between Amazon. Hbo that they say they're gonNA figure out soon. But it's like that's a pretty shitty launch when people are like well. I'm not going to use this. Well let me let me convince James Williams sign bro. Quick they do have the film House on Haunted Hill and sucker punch exclusively. I don't know if they're okay so number one. It's interesting because it's so weird because sucker punch is going to. Hbo Max but I logged into my HBO. Go the other day and it said it's a last chance to watch sucker punch 'cause it's leaving. Hbo So it's such a heard world where we can do. I don't need it. I owned the to display so I have sucker punch more on demand than on demand. Could ever be good. Good for you your money back. No no I also waited too long to redeem my ultraviolet digital copy or whatever what. Hbo TO ME. Is like all kidding. Aside with with just the confusion factors like I love. Hbo and I love HBO for. I know Tim's touch is like He. He's equality junkie. You also have the series as well but for me I love. Hbo Original Series is same with showtime. So like having those some way is important to me as to whether or not I don't need the standalone service right now and I don't really care about the warner brothers stuff and all the extra shit but for me having. Hbo And being able to actually get that content on demand super important. Yeah I next to net Flix. Hbo Is the only service. Like Rick Service that you can think of this place that makes content that is like of a certain caliber that it's worth paying for. You know like I will pay to watch. This is mean of surly stranger things right like I will pay a monthly fee to watch stranger things and Hbo Is the only other place where I think that makes sense like I will pay to watch curb your enthusiasm for sure or true detective or any of the throne. Yeah right I mean they they are they have a pedigree for being. I would say probably the top original program Creator in the market right now and like. I think there's a strong argument can be made for that like Netflix's say what you will. They've they're great. But in my opinion they fallen off a little over the years With all the competition they faced and but HBO. I think has always been solid from from the get-go Disney's loss to where it's like. They are coming with a lot of original stuff. And I think that a lot of this situation since kind of messed up. All the the current plan mandolin take it or leave it for matching up. Against Game of thrones or westworld shirt doesn't but I think it's a good first step and all the the marvel stuff we know we're getting but then on the other side of it like all the documentaries have been putting out of fantastic clone wars. The final season was fantastic. There's a lot of like great content. It just isn't necessarily for everyone but if it's for you it's like a great value because Disney plus is by far the cheapest services. Oh for sure something that I'm interested to see with Disney plus because it seems like they're like thirteen as old as you should be to watch like the content. We've decided thirteen is like a collective age of our audience right which is weird when you see these other platforms. Hbo and Netflix. Oh well we're off the actions of television. We can do whatever we want. Here so there's gratuitous nudity in which are like the find that stuff and it seems like it seems like that's or drop f bombs in Star Trek Card. And you're like why yeah. Are they doing that because they can? I I always feel like that. Speaks to some sort of like someone did the math and they were like more people are going to walks us. If we put some boobs in like figure that out more we're going to watch it if they put and it's so interesting that Disney I guess because it goes against their brand and I think in in my mind it does kind of hurt their longevity for what they can potentially achieve at with original series is and original movies is that I feel like most of them will probably look a lot like The lady and the tramp you know like I. I don't know that be like I'm super excited for this super gritty. Cool thing that Disney plus is GonNa do. Yeah also if I'm worried about them censoring stuff taking my taking the cleavage out of my wizards of waverly place. Come on a t shirt on and be like. That's just you can't be wearing a bikini the entire time. Maybe it's possible. But I mean the Tim's point like Tim. Tim and the other guys love Disney plus that speaks to them a lot of that content for me. Just doesn't head on the same level as some of the Netflix originals. But I you know rightfully so because you have to market to your audience but the one thing with Disney that you can never discount though is the fact that they have marvel and Marvel Wolfer never win and I would have said the same thing about star wars but that seems to be a little floundering lately as far as movies are concerned but people like the mandatory and so there you go curious to see how one vision and winter soldier and Falcon does. I think it's GONNA was was. Yeah I I'm hoping they're good. But like you know the question was mandatory and a fluke like. Oh this really in A. He's had a lot of great talent. Behind this thing is the scarlet witch and vision to characters that people are kind of like sort of lukewarm on but excited the CNN TV form. Is that well for me. It means that if people are lukewarm on those characters means Marvel's Marla addicted chance with them. Do something crazy and cool with it. Which art as being a separate camp than the Star Wars people? I was very lukewarm on mandatory. I to be perfectly honest. I don't need another season that show. I thought it was thin. I thought they could have done so much more with it but I feel like that that. Divide between the star was people in the Mar. Will people is really what you're seeing Disney right now. Where Marvel's got their crap together and I have. I've looking forward to seeing what they're doing. What they're original series. Where Star Wars? I think most of the stuff they've done decently has been cartoons lately and Mandal Orient for me like I got bored episodes. I don't need another series of this but I know I'm in the minority when the season to sound really cool and promising of what they did with the season one. I was like you know I agree with you. That it's over. All looking at him like there was too many lows and not enough highs. But I think that with all the leaks and rumors and what we got going into season two and Mike there could be a really compelling story here and if they they've learned how to use all that tack a little bit better. I think you could look better as well. I just want to see the behind the scenes on the tech more. I might just make a show about that. Just keep doing did not knowing that it's cool down right now. And that's what I'm saying. Is the documentaries on Disney. Plus are there. Non Aimed at kids like they're real light deep in depth stuff going into like old movies and shit and they're really good. They're really really fascinating so every time I seen her. Documentary is one of the best things I feel like. I've watched this. It's fantastic. I mean it feels like you've never rents there's so much of it. There's like six plus hours of Disney park documentary with unbridled footage. I gets nuts. Yeah it was insane seeing starting to see the rear projection stuff that show them into laureate and seeing like Oh. That's a puppet writing a puppet with a background. Those made in a video game. What the hell are doing is. Technology is so cool. Yeah like unreal. Engine sites is red eventually. They'll they'll be like. Hey we could use this for more than just making our character walk around slowly and not be able to see where he's going for eight episodes How you're just hoping that I- I rec- give back but I refuse. I refuse to come on twitter. Let's Duke it out together. I I gained nothing by defending a show. I did make. I don't know what you want for. A lot of people seem to enjoy it and I really liked the aesthetic. I'm glad for Patriot. Pascal for having a consistent work because he deserves it and he's uninvolved true. Hey guys good question. Do you ever feel stressed anxiety or having sleeping? 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Is I think the censorship is obviously an issue when in in very specific cases when you go back to a lot of the older stuff and and change it like with reasoning. What was it splash and all that stuff. Yeah when it comes to the content that they're currently putting out like I. I'm not really seeing a type of censorship level. Endgame GAME STARTS WITH DENNIS. Getting decapitated I think. But I think there's a certain there's a certain vibe of the stuff that they're gonNa make for it and the stuff that already is bigger than it. I think end game is a bigger property than Disney plus mandatory in the first episode Man Lori and he pulls the guy's arm and then it gets cut off in the door thing you know. Yeah but did. We got see mandatory but cheeks. Tim That's the big question. We'll much that was in the original vision. Know James James Is Point Disney. Of course is going. They're looking at their target demographic and saying hey maybe PG PG thirteen is as far as we want to go stuff. It is ridiculous that they went back out out. Some of the nudity splash. But I guess kids can't see a but you can't see it but but you can see them get decapitated. I don't know that's a bigger issue with our society. That's more of an American issue that we've had for the last one hundred years. Yeah Hundred Years or so sex but like you'll bad violence make me feel good. I mean to be fair. I'm excited to see what they I I will. I'm excited to see but I will look forward to see what they can do with season two of mandatory because I think in many ways to was like a test to see how well that content would resonate with people and I'm hoping they throw a lot more resources behind it and a lot better storytelling behind it and really it up for me. Don't backtrack don't back. We know what happened to me? I mean I hope they do that. I want. I want there to be a cool star wars series but I also wanted car to be good on. Cbs All access. And after three episodes I was like what a pile of dog crap that was so I don't know and these are all my myself by threes. Cbs All access subscribers. Are Sega curse you they can. They know they know deep down if they look deep down they know. That's not a star trek show off. Cbs Alexis I think what we watched one episode of the twilight zone and I said I'm good. Why Guide? Yeah Yeah we watched three. It's three twilight zone upset and I was like yeah. That's like mere. Yeah I mean. Black mayor is not good anymore. Either right that's the other thing. It was at least yeah. I enjoyed three. Maybe Four Seasons of that show. I saw one of Miley Cyrus am my I am out. I am out of this show. I do banner snatch black bears. One of those shows rumors like this show makes me so tense. I can't watch it. I watched the Star Trek episode with where they were stuck in the and I was like. Oh this is genius. This is great. I Never WanNa sit through something like this ever again. It's too scary intense for me. You should watch inside number nine. We're getting way off track usual. Watch inside number nine. We talked to you about this before. Is that one of the episodes. No no IT'S A. It's a BBC series. That at least found a really long time. Cool and it's it's if you enjoy twilight zone Black Mirror conceptually but don't necessarily have stressful tolerance for it. It's essentially these guys play. It's an anthology. Each episode is different but each episode is basically a one act play that features generally one location these two guys as ever changing WIG facial hair. Care Different characters that they play and twist General overarching Motif of nine. So they could be in the number nine car on a train or it could start with someone finding a number nine size shoe or he could be the take place at nine o'clock or whatever it's always has something to do with nine But when as Black Mirror kind of started like I don't know if believing its own height but getting into the get it always had up. Its own anti every single time and I stopped enjoying it as much. Because it's starting a little stressful. We start watching inside member nine and we were like holy cow. This is it's fun it's a fun. Show okay I'll google is still having those. You should look it up at least recommended me. One of my favorite shows of all time which was burning love. Oh Yeah Great. A guy got tricked into watching too hot to handle on twenty mean trick because I was referred by a friend who who enjoys satirical content. Same Way I do. You GotTa Watch it. Just wait and I was like okay. Where's the turn whereas the turn and then it was like these are real people this is this is this reality TV garbage? I didn't want that I wanted. I wanted to of or sex house or one of those. Have you seen the man? Oh have you not seen sex house this go watch sex house? I eat very version of that. I have a small very low threshold for reality television especially reality television. Where the main the main goof of the whole thing. The main purpose is just watch vapid good looking people treat each other like Shit says fun for like a half a day but after a while. I'm like I can't do this off. Earning like burning love. Sex House is a is a parody of reality television show made by the onion okay and but it's a full show like it has multiple episode short episodes there because yeah ten minutes so good. Who is everything you hate about that burning love? That was a parody right. Yeah what's his name. Michael Ian Black in those black and Taylor. Summer People Insane cameos like like that. That is all rudd's in it like the PG thirteen version sex houses the rated R version. But it's okay more like it's more like the David Lynch are rated version where he takes on like. We're a bunch of sextet crazy people and it's just so dark it goes places you don't expect it to go. I cannot recommend that show I think we watch it every once in a while. And it's just it's so good it Dongyan repair for missed missed. There's one point they get so desperate. There's someone on the microphone and have sex have and they're there. I don't WanNA spoil it because it it just all immediately but it's free on youtube. Yeah I think Youtube funded. The whole thing regret every day forgiving the onion millions of dollars to make show. Didn't they give the rock millions of dollars to make shows to a certain point? Maybe God bless him. Yeah that's youtube and everyone everyone except for Scott millions of dollars. I'm Tim and I got millions of dollars to make stuff. Yeah disaster. What shows they. We don't have to talk but up in noon avenue and a bunch of other stuff how that was a youtube. None of it investment show. That was that was during that Youtube. The original push for like youtube original content. Where you really know what necessarily at either okay. They either didn't know what they wanted. Or they communicated it to our vice presidents and like all of the executive level people and those people just totally forgot to communicate that they made a lot of money. Those guys those guys that's generally how it goes. Yeah the budgets we got. Oh Hey guys. There's a one point five million dollars To make some shows it's like cool. Go make the shows for ten K. Kantipur episode there were like two years of content for that okay. This is back when I was born. Yeah round of funding. Okay got it. Yeah I one time I was. I think it was. Yeah we were in some like crappy like month to month rental studio working at machine amount. I saw the headline or it's like Michelle. Mike is thirty million dollars in funding. I have a job yes. Yeah I'm guessing. Prime was oh was that okay. That's that round of funding Gotcha. I was referring to much earlier renovating. Oh God Michelle. Prime it is. It is funny. This is the carbon dating for people like us have been in it like we've been in this world nonsense. We're not youtubers stupid professionals. Who Thought do this professionally. It was a good idea back from now. Look at us. We're studying home offices. I don't have you seen the clip. It was our friend. Freddy is on a quarter digital's podcast and he was talking about how he's like. Yeah you know everyone thought is like going to youtube. You could do it. And then you'll you'll you'll go into Hollywood and he was like no you're tainted you're tainted forever what's anything to do with you got this weird like PTSD? God I'm I'm screwed did get giving me I. I went to film study school as we established the beginning. Because I wanted to be the next Kevin Smith and when I realized was never going to happen for me I got so bitter and sour that I've talked about every major Hollywood actor including Mark Wahlberg and one day as we said. Okay if he's going to find that and he's going to walk me up he is just GonNa be my clock and early two. I deserve it. Yes yes wholeheartedly. I WANT MARK. Wahlberg holding you down while Vin diesel and Andy Circus. Just beat the Shit. If I get my asking why Andy Circus. I'M GONNA believe this planet. I'm GONNA continue talking the year. Play this game with Lawrence. Play this fun game with Lawrence idea. Baffler it was BEN AFFLECK IS I. Don't remember what the scenario was entirely how we landed on it. But we basically go all right Lawrence you come home and Ben Affleck is having sex with your wife or girlfriend or one of your loved. Ones Right. Do you think you can beat them in a fighter. I think it was like it was like after it was after like the Batman train and stuff like you just massive like yeah absolutely okay all right. So what the like like long discussions of like yeah. Yeah he's six foot two or six three two hundred and twenty pounds and it was always like but the argument was always like why I got the jump on him because he's inside my girlfriend like riding doggy. Okay a lot of detail there. That's good that's good with an opportunity to sink in a good joke and just say hey I think once he said he'd Rabbit Punch him or something he'd hit him the side clock him in the side of the head and I'm like but he's also naked so you got the eastern promises kind of like they're rolling around so anyway so he is out We we wish you the best out there. It's crazy battlefield and the vaud world actually. I'm curious from our audience if you are using. Hbo Max. 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Vpn DOT com slash film? And you can get an extra three months free on a one year package that has X. P. R. E. S. S. VPN DOT com slash film express VPN DOT com slash film to learn more. Thank you express VPN. All right. Tim I have a question between you. Nick who is the biggest fast and the furious fan? I pressed Tim. But I'm I'm a pretty big fan. Yeah that's the thing is like I feel like at the end of the day. I would edge him out but it we're real close it's like we're co presidents on the fast fears. Yeah like we will we. Will we love each other until one of US disagreed on one point? And then that argument becomes hot and with that franchise. It definitely happens a lot. Because Nick Has. Some pretty shit takes warmer takes. I'm looking forward to hearing and the Games like you like me. Probably don't give a fuck. Is that correct? Well my relationship with fast and furious is very strange because movies of its ilk. I tend to enjoy like the pure adrenaline nonsense. If you can get some sort of purpose into the I think the new mission impossible's are a great example of like their appear action spectacle but someone did spend a little bit of time. Oh wow how torque whereas boys can't write can't I can't win red line or someone? Someone did spend a little bit of time trying to figure out how to get from point. A. TO POINT GREAT Film Zero S. Sorry go ahead yeah go ahead. I was just going to say go I was GONNA say the problem is for whatever reason fast and furious. I've seen the first one and the third one that's it Nineteen the third one like twenty times for you so I I feel like fast and furious like so many other series starts as a joke where you're watching it and you're like Sunday and you're watching the first one but then at some point it just catches you with the right mindset and you go. This is actually comforting. This is fun to watch. It's just it hits on that level of I'm not gonNA say mindless entertainment because they do put a little bit of thought into it but it is. It's like eating pizza where you're like you know it's a way to pass time. Every movie can't be an Academy Award winning movie ever movie can't be every series can't be like we were talking about watching really really intense movie like I've I don't know if you've seen uncut gems but like you can only watch that once every couple months before you go. I life is horrible. What are we doing on this planet? Let's blow it all up So for me. Facet does hit on that mindless fun. Action entertainment level and but it has heart degree. And it has hard I think largely because you know vin diesel and the likes have kept it going and perpetuated and it's growing this fan base that the we all realize where we tim is not going to sit here and say we're justified for for a defending nine movies. That are pretty much. The exact same plot with the exception Tokyo drift. That was nuanced. That was nuanced But you know I mean it's it's like anything guilty pleasure for me. At least I can say is I feel like the franchise and I understand where you're coming from having only watched one in three because those are just they're weird fun early two thousands car movies and that's all that they are but the franchise rewards you for liking the franchise and I think did that sounds like should do that? But they don't like this movie franchise every single installment from five on is kind of like Ok guys. We've looked at the last four movies and like we. We made some mistakes but there were elements of each one that you guys really liked. We're going to take those elements double down and the next one's like we're going to trickle down on them and then it's like we're quadrupling down and it just hits a point where it's also stupid but we're waiting with baited breath to be like that. How are they going to out stupid it and when they do it's satisfying exactly dusting back to it. They reward you for investing in the bad times so the good times means so much more and I understand outsider. People would look and be like watch. The trailer for fast. Ninety like do sprint is loss what it was about it used to be about cars notes. Bell Hell family and all this stuff. It's like you're missing the point. It hasn't been about cars for a decade and a half at this point. It's about ridiculous. Set Pieces and stupid. One LINERS ABOUT CHARACTERS. Care Way too much about each other but also it's about cars also like they don't. They didn't leave that stuff behind. There's still driving amazingly cool cars. They're just all super-rich now in real life so now they can drive really dope cars and not like you know modified cars but like to me. It's kind of like the equivalent of a soap opera. But for like Hyper Masculine Testosterone. Filled men where you get to go and watch this absurdity play out in front of you but an absurdity where. Lib Truly when the fans are pissed off that one of the characters died in not one but two movies. We showed this character. Dying people are so mad that the the creators were like you know what we can do. Fuck it we can just bring back and me and Tim I think cried. I'M NOT GONNA say we didn't cry. But it's possible that went higher live reaction on youtube dot com slash. Kind of funny are live reaction to the fast nine trailer. We have a rule of people. Losing their fucking mind mice because of these decisions. But it's like we're not alone like there's so there's obviously so many people out there that are as invested as us and there's a reason and it's like I truly feel like people that watch all the fast and furious movies if you get to the end of seven. There's no way you're not a hundred percent and I'll tell you why James and this is a this is another. I you know I have talked about this off camera but one of the reason why I think both of us. If I remember correctly you liked the mission. Possible series right. Oh Yeah Love them and I think one of the reasons why that series works for me is because somewhere along the line Tom Cruise realized. Hey We should. We should world built here. We shouldn't just treat this like another series. That's exactly the same. Which is James Bond where we set up all these things and then Forget it we're just going to bring in a new FEM. Fatale new bond girl the new adventure. Bad Guy Right now. Bond has caught onto the fact that people actually like like we. We remember stuff we got the Internet. We watch these movies over and over again. We Wanna see Simon pegg comeback. Hey we WANNA see Ingraham's come back. Hey what if Simon pegg ending rams are in the same movie together? Can there be two guys. Well Ludicrous went from Running Illegal Jetski racist to hacking NORAD. So why the hell everyone can happen. And I think that the more I it's so absurdist that the more you add to it. But the more you pay homage to like the origins of the of the franchise people really start to care and it starts to create this weird kind of importance that is meaningful on a level because even though it's completely ridiculous that they have cars litter like a jumping out of skydivers skydive cars. But it's not about that. It's about the fun back and forth of Tire East. Getting talked to the like getting down to you as like Vin. Diesels doing all this stuff. Because it's it's fun to watch these characters that you've been with for nine movies like talk back and forth similar to how you we'd watch a marvel movie and be like it. There's such a strong basis for these movies. That once you get in Tony Stark's death. I feel this because I know this character. You bring up the comparisons mission impossible. I think art totally one for one where it's like you look at the first mission possibly like cool. That's a fun. It's a nineties movie. Just like the first imagine furious you look at the second mission. Impossible movie like this is one of the worst movies ever made just like the second fast and furious but then from three on like three and four in both and mission impossible's have some issues but from five on. It's just like these are fucking awesome movies and mission impossible do agree that fallout and rogue nation on another level falls. Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah I mean that's a weird thing once that's because like you're saying like in the nineties it was like a sequel just needs to be either more of the same or in most cases a corruption of what you liked about the first one play. Robocop to well the perfect example. But it's like it's like you've lost sight of why that movie was initially good and now you're just kind of like doing whatever and then it seemed like mission. Impossible was interesting because that's second one was so far off the tone. It was such a a rubber band from the low burn. Brian depalma thriller of the first one that it whipped back so hard in the other direction. But it really wasn't until I guess. J.j. Abrams got involved in. It was like we can actually turn this into something substantial That it became more tickets. I started taking itself a little bit seriously. No matter how ridiculous the movie was I had never seen mission impossible. Any of them until Earlier in the last six months or whatever and for one of the shows we're doing we watched them on. I watched him week to week. And I got to see that growth and I went from you guys. Y'All fucking trip and about to once hit about four hours just like Oh my God I cannot wait to the next one and it's just so good and it's that's the same thing it's like it'd be so hard to get through the First Cup. He learned how to pilot a helicopter for mission. Impossible fall fallout and at first I was like what a dumb giving back in the day. You guys remember. You guys are old enough to remember like back in the eighties. They'd be like this person. Did his own stunt and there'd be like a publicity shot of them doing Austin and you like he didn't movies but and when you see that in the movie you're like you didn't need to do that. That was dumb. It just didn't didn't play but Tom. Cruise dedicating himself to being a stuntman. And doing those shots shows how much he cares about it and actually adds to the tension of those scenes real light and him actually piloting the helicopter. It's like insane and it adds some like newness to what is arguably just kind of a cookie cutter franchise but they might they managed to find ways to excite you that you didn't see before and to a degree fast and furious as to what wh where mission impossible does that with what I would say is like slightly more clever storytelling and and Better Action Beats Festivals. Goes Yeah Yeah. That's cute that you guys do that. We're going to jump car from one building to another building. And then when you think it's done we're going to jump into another building and then we're going to let it fall. Honestly that that to me is what makes a fancy same thing right after thing. Yeah because we saw the furious seven trailer and we saw the car go from one skyscraper to another and that was just like. Oh my God. These guys are insane. I can't wait to see that but then when we we're in theaters went to another building building. We always talk about how trailers ruin the movies to me. That was such a special moment of just like these movies like the outcome themselves them so consistently that the. Leave me just baffled. I don't know what's better than one building. Three buildings already building. There's a reason brought up passengers. I didn't want to have you guys talk about fast and furious there. The wrong guys on the show. They're they're a question came up recently. Which film in the franchise is indeed the most fast and furious of the button and actually have some science that help back this up and I want to actually have you guys way in since after? It's been what forty-five minutes talking about fast and furious emission of Boston. I think you you are experts. I think you've yes. You solidified that I am not gonNA question and join the family to join. I don't want to come to your barbecue after. We hijackers submarine or whatever that was the last one I saw. I didn't know what I was watching that. But anyway we got some good news from this redder. I'm going to butcher this name. Lundgren's front kick doll who writes? I love the fast and furious franchise and I can still clearly remember nearly blowing up my four-cylinder dodge shadow while driving home. After watching the fast and furious in two thousand and one. I've enjoyed watching the franchise evolve into globetrotting blockbuster series. That's gross billions of dollars at the box office and on our fast nines original release. That was supposed to be may twenty second to twenty which fast movie is the most fast and furious basically a one know which of the fast films has the most racist fights. Nas CORONA BARBECUE KRONA. The drink not the virus property destruction party shots and mentions of family. I watch the movies and recorded a ludicrous amount of stats and use detailed articles from Bloomberg. So his twenty three. I'm going to just go through a few these twenty three points here are racing time. Nas USAGE is our barbecue gear shifts explosions times. That a gun is wielded. Krona consumption property action. Does the main character die? That is is guide it? There's a whole bunch of link out to his original post. There's male biceps time to you by skimmed it. I'm just skimming. There's a tachometer speedometer. Shots you know. Those are important from one movie or we have to figure out which has the most so this. This guy has figured it out. Yeah he's figured it out but based on he he has the answer on science no matter what they can't change it that that's going to be but guys is weird faith You guys have to know where you land on. Which of the films is the most fast and furious? Do we get to guess as a piece one for him and one for me. Sure we have to go go yet. Could be a discussion here. Because I'm thinking it has to be between six or seven just in terms of all the things you mentioned if it was just sheer car destruction it would be eight because Zombie. Car sequence destroyed the most cars total. That was insane. That was ridiculous but I think in terms of all those things with fight scenes with mentions a family with actual races and crazy set pieces and all this stuff death of main characters. I'm going to either. Six or seven seven. To actually no sixty I was GONNA say. Six has the most carnage and it has the longest race. Which is the cars versus the plane? Which happens this rate the entire well? That's question what defines a race right because raises the ready set. Go which okay does have in. London. Six has for a second so I'm going to say if it's going to be races sheer races. It's gotta go fast furious one because they have half the scenes when they go to a race wars which is not what you think James. It's actually about car racing I know that's one of the ones I've seen. Yeah the La- Guy Loses the race and then drives away and get shot. Yeah so that one has a lot of street racing the beginning because Paul Walker's trying to St Wastes races way into the club. Also Tim. They talked a lot about family and barbecues in that. There's two barbecues Madison of mistaken. Three the one in the middle and they have a party which could be. They could be barbecuing outside but they didn't talk about family. That did though because it was all about his dad and his dad died and how he's had to take care of brewster and we don't know what age she is. She's sixteen she twenty-seven we don't have hear it looks like he's fourteen the entire series but I think there was more races in two and three. I think three has the most lot because three all casinos was about. The racing was about drifting totally. Because I think tour dodgers racing. It's all the other elements as well. It has to be but he also mentioned biceps. And you start talking until the rock comes in so it's gotta be so that's why yes six. We had the rock and Vin diesel fighting together and stay them seven and no yes came later way. I mean six is my favorite six so I might say sex flat. Sodas the submarine right yes. Eight furious seven was built. One ops six was European bank heist. I'm trying to work my way. That is that ramp car. Five was European cars. Wasn't it versus. Yeah sixers Ramcar safe. That's one with this. That's fine that seems to be everyone's favourite with the exception of me. I like four and then me to underground literal literal underground racing. That's okay Tokyo guardrail. A Florida two point break one. Okay yes that's a great point break. I I've only like James. I may have seen more than James. It only like maybe one more. Yeah Tokyo drift which I don't want to spoil it. We're working a slightly bigger project right. Now I've been learning some really fascinating things about one of the main characters of this film franchise and I don't WanNa give it away but you start to him about this the kind of things that's going to get thrown in jail like Harvey Weinstein Fascinating. No I don't I don't do nothing you are you doing. Get into like Hollywood reporting drama. Bullshit I don't I don't do that anymore. On my this is going to blow your mind. More of like interesting factoid. Wow Cool so all right. We got all the information out there. I'll give a couple more minutes to deliberate at most but if you have an answer I'll say I'll say one and you say six we he to say I'm saying it's not one one is definitely I would say that one is the last you of all these range. Shaw might be if if Hobson shock counts in this. It doesn't feature a lot of those elements it makes up for in many other ways. But I think that Hobson Sean and fast one would probably on the lower real quick. Actually Nick your argument for fast one. The fast varies one is because it has a lot of racing in yes actual race chart according to this only has total three minutes of racing and the entire three minutes of racing in. Only one minute of nozzle there's only NAS loss. I mean if you think about you can do a quarter a quarter mile in a really fast car and under ten Saka if you watch fastened various they can stretch a quarter mile race out to be a solid five minutes with a shop found so okay so did he just gave me. I'm wrong. That's what he's saying Adams. Give me a clue. I'm I'm I'm just letting you know what then we have to go with. Six six has the whole cars against the plane. And that's a twenty five minute long. Seen some of these numbers don't look right though the now doesn't come as a race or maybe that's I don't think think this is racist. I don't think there's any races in six though I hides Rita or is there read one. That's the one scene. Is there another actual race? These numbers tributed in a strange way correlate to tie from my minor knowledge of fast and furious but massive knowledge of Tokyo drift. This is not right. That's what I'm saying is are we talking racing or TC you know then? Rtc TIC time cars. What are we talking racy Windsor? When we see the women we see their butts we see the flags and they go because six is the Rita Ora London. One and that's where Lettie dom when he's trying to convince her that she doesn't have Amiga but that's the one race the rest of is Owen. Shaw in his cool minicar right are yesterday for the answer. Yeah give us the answer or we're going to deliberate about this all day and yellow. According to long runs front kick it comes down to fast and the furious six being the most fast and furious film Franchise Air Barbecue Family planes blowing up grappling hooks fistfights and everything that makes a fast movie great. So that's the bigger the CIA number two. I don't know I can't decipher this math. You may damage. What did you all work? Hold on what is this. Chart represent the totals yet? Oh I don't. Chart is work for or against it. Because on his chart he saying best very scored a seventy nine are unless I was supposed to be a seventy nine like Hobson. Shaw's at one thirty in Tokyo drift is at one thirteen but again I don't know we don't know what this chart represents because racing time for Tokyo drift is listed at one and I can tell you that the opening sequence of that movie is a race that lasts longer than he's totally wrong about Zachary's. Here's a racist home improvement yet. That delong scene at the end the Third Act of the the movie is like them racing reunion. And that's at least a five minute long. Seen Jeff this guy is smoking frigging meth right. Now that we don't know what the criteria Ed I guess. Interesting interesting well Once again proving I know very little about fast and furious franchise in much VIN diesel. I'm willing to just take it all on faith and possibly the film rights riddick. If that if you don't follow indies on instagram. You should please. It's the worst content terrible added all he adam you. It is so your humor literally. All he does is post really bad. Fan Art of himself with captions. That are just like you can hear it in his voice. Nick Nick Elmi. A vin diesel. By the way he may or may not be and we don't have any alleged right now. Don't sue me event. But he may or may not be high out of his wits because he just goes like this family and then he has that beautiful dumb VIN diesel. Smile as he does. We're just kind of looks off to the left. The camera for way too long and then ladies in the background somewhere. Michelle Regan always there God. It's great yeah. Does he ever let her go home? I don't know I don't think she has a home. James is I think she just all that it whereas it it's him holding a ripple return zander caged which I mean if you can tell the differences between Zander cage and Dominic Toronto. Please let me know man want you want another huge difference right now. One word shorts Dander cage loves the joints the long long almost jeans shorts. I was referring to like character attributes. Now that's how indies. 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146: Stage 15 | Tineo - Santuario Del Acebo | Vuelta a Espaa 2019

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146: Stage 15 | Tineo - Santuario Del Acebo | Vuelta a Espaa 2019

"Type here's to cast their word is by association with rafeh fastest clothing and the world a tour the homeless cycling can right and watch with bradfo in twenty nine they partner if education i in kenyan strength state fifteen today we are in and welcome to the fifteen stages of wealth a spaniard. I'm at the summit of the final climb son to audio thabo hundred fifty four to say they started in keno on. It's up and down all day and the students mountains really stunning stunning again very remote not very many times villages here which was problematic. He wants us to stop for lunch as i did anyway we're here. It's a great crowd up here as well. I'm on it's <hes> it's a really spectacular seen this the highest mountain at least like i quite long distance not that high but it certainly feels it and it looks like being a breakaway today a big group over five minutes clear of the bunch just as they approach this final climb couple of them have clicked off the front on facile kirienko from team any insurgent timothy about the rest of the break not too far behind mark solaris tailgating heart loss and chronic bene- connor sat cousteau visa and behind kucice teammates at you movies my who are really controlling things extremely while for <hes> premiums regulation the red jersey by a tough climb up here so we are expecting action and our describe as it happens through this is one of these is live podcasts which shah unfolds as the stage unfolds going to be joined by daniel free bit late thrown to discuss what happened today and before that we're going to hear from a couple of special guests are suppose i should call him a familiar voices on the cycling podcast so i'd say they're just approaching the final climb now and <hes> looks like being a day for the break away few more good climate janis gary is there as well jose harada so few writers of you're seeing quite a lot of at this swelter and yeah one of those guys should win up here was yet another of these super steep climbs really steep the boston matt stevens our colleague at era sport brought up the whole climb on his folding bike invited me to join him. I politely declined the invitation is tough and it's long and yet yeah another new coins but it's not the first time has been up here but first time it's been site and because of wealth director happy again this morning. He started wealth into nine. This is his eleven th races. The mountain charged back into will be tomorrow's coloma three zero. Uh among other things on ten years of the right jersey. I'm we're gonna hear five from bradley wiggins knife so what he thinks about the right jersey where it stands alongside inside the pink jersey on the jersey of the tour so they're onto the slopes and it looks like semi taste dropped kyrie anka pretty sure cure and car foil there for taking another of their euskadi writers who has a team of being forming extremely well mystery really really strong performance from them out there and all these kind of heavily stages as spanish procon done really well actually here lead into four forty three over the gym of controlling controlling things as george bennett on the front row behind on rog. Let's talk ten behind. I think i spoke to the robber passing yesterday morning and he said really his job was to check as much as possible partly because he's so big he's told writer and offers more shelter and the other nielsen pilots george bennett kubisova sale very strong on the hills much smaller guys so passing very experienced bigger they just raw glitch sitting on his wheel pretty much the whole stage fastest team in the world tour the home of cycling right and watch with twenty nineteen as they partnered education awesome. I thank you very much indeed to our title sponsor rafeh and it was my pro-jo. Hi joe this morning to present peddler disarm the rafa t shirt with our peddler dijon disarm design on it to the week to win our pierre latour has voted by you the listeners he seemed delighted with some writers from some countries who are not french-speaking we have we have a job explaining exactly what peddler to sharm means no such issues with PR latour of course so he was delighted on <hes> post for photograph off with t-shirt about yes. Thank you very much indeed to rafeh so watching the climb here and before we proceed. I want to just say say a quick. Good luck to <hes> good friend of mine. Paul kuku along with some friends is writing or sethi tomorrow to ride from lonzo into grew. It's now two two years ago. Paul was diagnosed with mythili oma which is basically asbestos concert. Survival rate is a year usually paul was given sixty six to eighteen mums but he <hes> he had surgery and gone. His bike wasn't a cyclist before but he's trained really really hard. I've been writing with him a lot. He's got himself itself really strong and fit and these suffering with a cold i think at the moment she's not in the best of health but he has set the tomorrow immoral to right from groves and i wish him and his team and the vessel they are raising money for a raise mizuho which is arrays meas or the arguments e. r. <music> a s. e. m. e. s. dot org and they're on social media as well at arrays measles on twitter but i'll be following paul's progress with great the interest and he's a real inspiration very positive attitude and he's cancer free and looking looking forward with hope. I think an optimism and certainly taking on this challenge of lodge growth great enthusiasm so good luck to him on his team on the front of the race. Meanwhile ally turned away there for a moment and looks set koos off the front. He's obviously being given this freedom today. We've seen in this race strong on he is he could have a good chance here but it's very early on the way to go so let's see what happens is the that's a slow cameras areso up towards us here at the summit here. We are on the portal del fable santo. REO dr welby well. I'm with with on the shinui richard hello into the podcast. I am thank you may pleasure out of your sport team. This feels like the roof of the world doesn't we're only at twelve hundred meters to know you've been discussing how it works up here volkswagen and waste severe and gravity and all kinds of other things i mean i walked in on our fascinating conversation earlier. Yeah interesting on we can add onto a conversation merhav in it's a a bit not for listening to after dark podcast exactly i love conversations going on rarely but just passing the time and it all the answer is women. Don't ever do that so just to clear. Use your onnell's anyway here. We are well first of all. I mean her. You enjoying being part the media here instead of racing. It's it's actually quite weird. It's nice not racing should out the pain. It's weird watching. She kind of want to be in it until the go pill. Oh my god thank god i'm. I'm not gonna lie hill but yeah. It's a weird one. I'm enjoying innocence. This is something new and i'm enjoying doing it but i do miss riding my bike. If it was five years ago not really not zi so fast these days actually we did <hes> come zero with adam hansen last year the tour he was there working for the media on here's a guys ridden more tourism dinners and he was he learned a lot being on the other side of the fence and as i've been the case he has anything surprised in particular. It's not really surprising. I get up into a few. I think the main thing is it's just all the circus with it. The everything that goes on around it. That's the main part of and i think the media is. There's a lot of organization organization behind closed doors. I really just think these guys you know. Just got pulled up in a hotel drive to raise a lotta work yourself which is kind of refreshing actually when you're buying body we literally just wake up. Go to breakfast in ables. Go on you by repeat the everyday initially get to think about what you do a little bit on go for dinner and not worry about how often a massage after an avenue drink mealy karaoke of evening gowns career messages in the year a sports team or law. We call all any segment. You're on the irish car. I was meaning to come and speak to you anyway but then signed bana one four for we irish. That was fantastic accused. Wasn't it love how you just claim anything. You're like oh nationality magpie magpie. It was brilliant yesterday. Though especially because sam bennett didn't even know that he won it you know and he had to ask afterwards whether the brain he does nine but it was a brilliant when we've been saying this on air haven't way high and you see somebody would in abundance friends and yesterday was just was just completely different because that rampant is a lot you know it was a lot harder than it would have looked on the on the stage profile. They seem to know what was coming but he was totally confident totally self-assured and for bennett who'd been and saying you know we had a few nichols in the first week he was sick after that it just shows form that he's gotten we weren't quite sure how high over the mountains and but yeah i mean it tops off. What's what's what's been a fantastic season for him. Which is remarkable given the rollercoaster. He's thirteen wednesday night as she is your sprint sprints. You know oh how they were coming. Some business interests twenty eight nine. It's taken them quite a long time to get to this point. It's looked in the past as if something missing he was lacking confidence about time am <hes>. What do you see in him different. This year is faster really. It's a it's a simple song now. It's weird because you know if you watch. Jimmy's almost like i feel like he's won a lot more grand. Tour stages still is only one too but i think he's winning a lot recently. It feels like a lot more hold on five. Oh yeah two zero zero so yeah yes all right but i think i think the thing with him is he's still isn't that confident weird lakes. If you watch him is still just like the same kitty was three years ago but it's just a lot so he's still uh-huh. Oh my god. I've i've worn again. This is amazing so i think he's just he's grown into himself a bit but you still shocking himself with how going i still don't think he can quite mike as head around how well he actually going. He's not really is grabbing onto. He's doing amazing but i don't think he's really going on going this well. I am going to absolutely smash. 'cause i'm sure if you shouldn't the climate and the yesterday no chance not a chance i can get over there is yesterday. He's just like yeah whatever cool i'll just spend on my top someone. I wonder what he's like. Though amongst the team because ause he he comes across on the bike has been really confident. You know that was a really confident win yesterday. There was no diet for him that he that he was going to be able to do that but he seems still quite shy until within himself off the bike in front of the media he still quite like this boy from the countryside in ireland and but i think he's he's even growing into that. Yeah i mean we we didn't unfortunately have time to get him on the show yesterday but he was hanging around and really willing to come on and chat to us and he seems to be enjoying outside of it and i think which comes with winning a law anyway i ah yeah he's enjoying the fame side of it. All nice things around fame talk into by smith. One of them are mesh docker. You mitch talker on yesterday sharing sharing insights. He's he's a. He's a he's. A gift to me isn't as mitchell davis fought for stock. I thought he was so sweet. He was lovely on just one of these. I mean it's just a dream green on this side of the fence when you get people along who are just really relaxed on really themselves in front of the calmer because that's quite rare it's unusual and when he was just brilliant this law fisherman's hat and he was just a dude the absolute dude. I love that we were just chatting before. Start recording there. I i went speak to willie smith this morning. The catoon opposition writer who seem to well luke amass catch of the race but willie smith came off second worst i in that crash yesterday and his knee leaked horribly posted a picture on twitter today and it looked pretty grim. He started. He's determined to finish his his first grand tour. I went speak timothy start this morning. Here's what he said. We've all seen on social media this morning the state of your knee h- does it feel yesterday after the crash this under the flam rush muscle sort of riders obviously got hurt really badly and i knew waiting around jar wouldn't really help because they're not really cut on the knee and could see the tender blockade seem set set. The tone is fine. I literally any payroll one k. and it's really painful so i haven't warmed up yet this morning so i'll just have to wait and see it. I i've. I probably only saved two hours last night but i really wanna make it to madrid especially as a as african. It's like it's already quite achievement in its and to have been able to actively been involved in this rice as being from where i came has been a lot of steps taken so i really wanna make it to madrid. Teams seems really supportive. That could have easily just say they're not going to allow me to start so the fact that i'm on the baltics now is going to affect our field the old but i don't know what to say. You know no one feel sorry for you. When you stop and go <hes> this is something you have to do feel self. It's not about being tough. It's completely something different. I many stitches of ten underneath and six tops total sixteen. What happened happened. I mean we're you on the bottom of the crash soc about injury office right of luca mescus <hes> so someone to help <hes> the god from the f. <hes> i couldn't see it was and then when mexico's went down our down on top of him painkillers as well <hes> obviously trauma dole is banned <hes> not that i use it because it really actually rises to retain preach and makes you fox your stomach to be quite honest that anything we can technologies technologies these ibuprofen impossible but to be honest when you win that keeps bumping. You don't really feel it. It's when you not writing that audrey new israeli feeling so your strategy i mean it's heavily strapped up your strategy knives to a good warm up. I guess before the stage stars. I it's not much time now but and we've got a long neutral zone and see what happens good luck. Thanks a lot so as i said it's a really hard day today. <hes> willie smith is still in the race. He's not there are few guys being dropped already but he's still battling on so things looking bad for him so i think it was the first part of the stage is particularly worried about but he's still there at what's what's what's gonna happen in the race. I mean rogue. Lich is rich got it. So do you think do you think has promised those mateus suggested that <hes> <hes> you know he's gonna go up. Okay with these steel climbs. I think yes and no i kind of hope he doesn't. I really hope he doesn't just walk away with this as easily as he has been doing because he'll be bit rubbish the race for the ways bingo nikon see anyone else really challenging him bought. We said that the jiro i'm what happened in the last week. He just felt a bit addy. Angles was just telling him about his breakfast in the car what to do and all that kind of. I think the still a long way to go and i kind of hope he struggles a little bit just to make a bit more movin exxon in race for us to talk about what as well but at the same time he does look at the minute but i hope it is challenge down the line shown no sign of weakness weakness really uneven when he's taken a tumble even when he's lost teammates he himself was looked pretty much unbeatable and he's got a really strong team around him and we knew that success bowls momentum within a team but as adam says this. This is my thing as well. I just he is untested. At the at the you know the winning when it comes to three grand jury and it's all the third week on the third week of the vuelta isn't just the third week of the welte its last week of the last grand tear at the very end of the season you know and on all of that fatigue has to build mentally and physically what was really interesting. We were chatting to a condo in the earlier and i just wanted to know flight stop at every if he had any insight to movie star really because we can be accused. Sometimes i think english speaking media of overplaying the confusion with a not tame and maybe that we're the ones are confusing visa not confuse inside the tape. As far as he's concerned. They don't have played. He says that maybe that's exaggerating but he said it is every man for himself and he said it was it was the same at the church of franz hands on on the that's the instructions that they're given on occasion that it is every man for yourself apart from mark solaire <hes> but between container of averted. He said they probably have not decided still he is at race leader and you've got to think i mean okay. Neither of them have been climbing like rog late last couple of days but if they could get they shit together you know the tea right is in the top four and i kind of feel like they're still perfectly poised at frog lake stores fall away and if he doesn't can keep going for the last week than any one of those you know dan bell towards the top step of the podium in the last week but <hes> i just yeah then not team is just it's fascinating isn't it but he doesn't think that contain leaving any impact on the strategy industries does look like roy. Glitch is a little bit fresher then he was at the jira. I think he went into that race quite over over race props and he's he's not race since then so he's probably a bit fresher. He's also a much stronger team nothing here. I definitely think he's gone wrong team here and hopefully he's learned from the jiro book. He's got to do the hardware the hardware he's still finished the job off air and we saw with lopez's has you today you team can work as hard as they won't veer but you still ain't got the legs. You haven't got the legs so as we said there's a lot to go in this race and has a lot to play for and there's a lot can go wrong long. Amount of a puncture god knows when another wheel on these steep climbs. You just don't know what we saw a few years ago with me. I know that was a crowd incident but these things can happen in that can leisure ray so we we. We don't know what can happen and i hope something does happen not bad line up by someone does take time back but back to movie star. I think they just go for team. Prices every total francois hundred twenty years along the race of being on they've always one team prize because they have not one leader they just go into it and you've got like four of them in the top twenty another the the whole team the top but they don't win ever question what is appointed for team price. What is the point nice responsible where euro and so so. I think a team prize. It's kinda like weldon guys. You're going really well but you've not nailed one particular thing which you've committed to doing win. If you you look at yeah it's also the team. Prize is flawed as a concept because the whole point of a cycling team is to support a leader so i it's not they're not actually writing as a team in the sense is that they want to place many writers as possible not science to the the very definition you know if if in spring writers finished second and third house a failure uh-huh if you have guys that second or third on that could be seen as a failure although i think ultimately in this race i think we can agree that rogue which is a guy with the best legs that women so it doesn't matter. I think the movie star don't have a clearly defined leader. It's clear that roy glitches guy with the best legs. I don't think he's an opposition because movie star of their shizue fizzle sizzle swizzle together well yeah but i mean more for the third week really frog legs can't keep the pace up and if he doesn't laugh at that movie star will need to get their shit together if they want to take that top spot on and replace him if he falls away bought. That's just a sort of. I think creating suspense where it doesn't yet exist doc as i said it's a three week risks anything can happen for lego input all your smart clothes on and get your makeup on for the tally both of you and about your team <hes> the <hes> lots have been racing very they've been very visible. They've been getting along breaks young guy yesterday armand who spoke to him at the finish he was best friends with org labrecque so i mean fight replaced him in the race. Oh i didn't know that mattis today but that was impressive for a young guy writing his first ever it granted and called up late north this and an incarcerated haagen the young norwegian who's still up there. I mean we don't expect them to be still in the top ten in the week. But what can can you tell us about him. Do you know him. Well not well but i think he he's not that young. He's twenty nine or twenty seven twenty seven twenty eight so i think when he joined the team i was kinda. The older was now. Oh you are a lot older than the young guys on. If you don't really a young guy anymore so but he's he's doing amazing. I think the nice thing is with the team that just inhale and get on with it but they're also let guys guys you can go for stages which we talked about any australia in our chatting about tail and we always see any else ineptly gruntal. They've got one goal. GC and when things happen like this where they don't really have a GCE rod. They're almost lost and i think you take guys like stone on dogs so these guys are going to be a mountain but guys like tayo tayo is in superb superb ryder but no one saying to him tayo. You've got hard day today back-off because because she got another holiday tomorrow these guys go super deep today savvy legs go for tomorrow for the statement and instead. He's just go in <hes> see how it goes today go in deep still but then the next day try it again and it's just like concentrate on one stage it writing as leica dc writer without having a high position in DC down. Just pick one stage. It doesn't matter if you lose two humour hours if he wins one stage that will change his whole career at another couple of zeros on his contract. Maybe it's just i think i understand why the team is hang keep doing. He needs to keep progression in china hogs. He's obviously wants to do this juicy role but where he is now take one day off one day off during the group dual and start because him climate. It's an easy day tomorrow full in the break go for it. You'll have fresh legs and even come up with the stage win but if you just keeps getting fifteenth sixteenth on the thing no woman them is it. No one cares really really do your hostage to force and here because he's in the brain that isn't if he wins the stage on wins today great and yet the cast so he'll be message in your later probably telling you oftentimes exactly what his game plan is. Blonde repeats tayo is a great guy super bright. It'll be an automobile. You've nerve makeup so let you go tell the only koto my some really nice like lip stuff on earlier that fail our makeup artist decided to try right just like this this plum for to make sure let's not let the clunker and <hes> yeah i i liked it was like tinguely is who all uh-huh ridiculous. 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Valverde has a time behind which i'll be a big cheer from the crowd here the head coach of the windows twenty only five seconds ago kusan. EM drove the better it takes thirty seconds robotic valverde lopez well the sage big smile on his face as he came up to the line and the high fiving spectators on the very narrow finish mich- behind him ruben guerrero of condition opposite until aching heart chase while but couldn't really close or reduce the gop. I'm behind them pretty much published published as he heard on the radio clips there joined up with valverde distanced lopez and forgot shaw. I'm behind. It was kinda who wrote from that group so then already is an all talking earlier about movie stars strategy. You must be over for a volvo denies so our way dropped from that group certainly give him a bit of assistance as you'd expect some changes tonight got a measure of strength and they can say one of their month domestiques the road when the stage outgoing go on we who is gonna happen. There was the cousteau. I think they respect one which is interesting with craig. Battle battery was voted into nine before i sit down with daniel free for a beer. Let's hear from her audio. Direst nick shoots of mitchelson scott and james knox of the current quickstep. Let's hear fresh from nick then from james. They fifteen water water stage. <hes> very very mountainous day chand olympic from <hes> from the gum. I call him was <hes> absolutely full guys. The pellet thomasson pieces <hes> different authors. Try ended get a road good gratis. <hes> just my first soup behalf star on so i was a little bit dag along with appel on things will come together and <hes> and then it was <hes> business as usual for your rotting solid temperature <hes> even even though they had <hes> set up the road who ended up winning stage <hes> cry cry written to ceppi's. He's he's a really really great cars so super happy to see him he win and <hes> also really nazi tire their third <hes> not a great guy and it <hes> deserving of that result but <hes> i guess in terms of the stage after that ballistics thought it was it was pretty controlled <hes> and finally only enough having a few discussions on the boss off the stage. We probably will take being on the absolute rivet at the start if it meant <hes> those the few qualms in the middle being control lock. They were <hes> unfortunately. I don't think we'll be privileged to the same thing tomorrow. <hes> regime see <hes> <hes> esteban today was <hes> was hiding literally dafur another hot crash yesterday <hes> but he's <hes> just incredible the way he keeps chipping away and okay going forward with him and <hes> yeah we'll just we'll be looking to try to break way i guess and <hes> tron some some better blocking some success within the team and how morale is still still very high and we're real rallying together and <hes> looking sean ten things <hes> <hes> favor tomorrow we'll be one of holidays over the rice which hello and welcome to audio diary stay fifty on the bus now driving to load cell same on his last night in such a five star hotel so we've been spoiled rotten for a coupla nights senate's. It's victory arrived last night and there was a a framed picture of me on the bedside i table which was something i've never seen before and i recommend might say omen. Give it to my garage for christmas. I'm not too organized and she'll probably a little bit so that's something for everyone stage today hot day pretty tired right now tried hard again again. The break in two or three do things wasn't to be and then five guys to decide what any of it and they just wrote a big big temple into the first lime start. I live right on the limit ryland limit. I was holding on and then walk. Saliva talked over the telephone took. A few guys are only when i was just catching my breath and the guys are tracing so far behind it. I think is a gay right here too over the top. Try again to keep on jumping on still came off to descend so more taxes still trying to follow still slow on the end. It wasn't just wasn't to be just <hes> like i said why it's easy also didn't quite go the right one so bits eight both took to win the wheels all day to carry myself. The boys helped me out and save my energy for the last climb. They put me in a nice position for the ball was awful climbed <hes> really hard from the bomb steep. You had a mind the hugh coffee stage two three years ago so i thought mater hughes he's but now it was hot. Climb <hes> just solve made the first two or three law watch filed with a launch must've talk and then we'll go with it and then try to do in my best to follow the pace fulltime for lopez you went really deep so that the group will be an an soft dangling off what would have been so like food the group <hes> just fighting fighting just to try and come back and then every every time i came back the accelerated bit mark in tana throw in a couple talks off the bottom show why saw should've just been trying to write tempo never mind i guess he was getting frustrated with guys sonny's wheel but the way it goes and then ed koch bottling line and in the end finished twenty first on the stage one place <unk> couple guys got leapfrog bar guerrero and <hes> came <unk> ben travers. I think seventeen. JC now still really good obviously still hoping to try and you know can the break going to the really really hot day tomorrow hot thinking about it right now. After a brutal down the bike book getting the right frame of mind tomorrow trying crack on so yeah it was not finish the stage and odds gone the what do they call it the breakaway with adam bly life all around the brian smith. Just saw gets all organize after the stage stage just the team press officer. That's what i'm looking for. The team press office oughta just lost. If if i wouldn't mind going on and i time to catch my breath over well oil wonder over solve obama new experience a may may feel that comfortable easy questions easy talkin so nothing too difficult difficult and just a reflection on the day how go in so hopefully people called on the TV hoefler came across a case of one of those things. We don't really got any real press training earning things so more than often is. I'd like to think it's just the right is is not say committed across the hall can be hard sometimes when you pulling on the spot with questions and you don't wanna sound like a rowboat at the same time it's difficult to come across and personality wise when you've finished the stage in europe. You already cooked so lost. Moment doesn't see what they say. They make of it also going on now is herb bread and quick results kelso stage. Today i did into dozen seen similar stage. I think we did edinburgh to kelso. Dot you family not too far away in a hexagon and also my grandfather passed away feel years ago. He's from newcastle and we still got different days so it's not too far away from ari best benefit of time. It's good this year. The iraq did it was mainly flying. I was a bit cook from lebanon but you know to be honest to monitor brand of racing the seats may with daniel freeport. Don't you just sit there with the beer. There at daniel nice selena bit more sophisticated what i was about the segue into a much more florid description shen lingering thoughts. What is an artist on a story and it's supposed to be a redbeard but these lights and and i'm very fussy. This is going to surprise but i'm very fussy about the color drinks germany and we discussed this. Haven't we before i have to have after inequalities. It's nasty the right kind of course as well so i can admire the the rope anyway well. It's not a red light is red beer nursery. Gonna be ten bucks. It was a very nice hotel. This youth hostel very party hostile hasley finding chelsea. His nice. I've got aw is very is very much a car. I'm singing. I can tell you we're we're. We're the tonight and i can tell you set. Kusaba was the winner of the stage. Ruben guerrero was second tale. Taking heart was useful to him by lionel daniel. I didn't manage to speak them. Oscar rodriguez was fourth oscar rigas who want to save last year was compare on that was a big surprise so mainly guys from the breakaway and but the first of the raiders in was premature i'll glitch in eighth with valverde the ninth in the same time so they were the two big winners on today rogue which still fresh overall valverde at two twenty five and second tiny pug. HR limited did his losses. He's third at three four to lopez. Fourth at three fifty. Nine can town on the big loser into fifth. Stay in fifth breath but now at five minutes and nine seconds. Can i make a shattering revelation about poke evening. Park is reading the vuelta the godfather by mario mario russo yeah. It's really awesome about it tonight and i didn't get too key florida expansive response and as you would expect from polk but he did confirm he will. He said he hadn't been one time lost you days but that's what he's reading was tempted to be coming out and you having time to sleep <hes> yeah my resisting temptation to make some joke about who is superman going to be sleeping with the fishes by the end of this welter. Well i mean that's quite ambitious. <hes> <hes> he goes ever up in my estimation pug very impressive indeed. It'll time today e dead. The little wasn't quite <music> as quite as energetic performance as the other day and i'm really strong right from koos wasn't and if we think back a year he's writing in his first. Well tony came in with a lot of expectation or think. After his his success it's review and i think he struggled a little bit didn't aac toys money or putzer. Who's the hero the godfather that could set curse struggling last year this one the stage that had a few noticed cycling. Yes i mean he's been revelation isn't it. He was good. He was already quite good at the jira. Although i don't think he's terribly pleased with his performance at the jira and and he's he's been outstanding here and yes very easy to get sniffy when a young climbing particular performed extremely well in north american races. Yes he did a couple of years ago people sort of expected to come to europe and and take it by storm but we've seen many common info by the wayside before haven't we did wonder that about cep goose. I think there's real substance to him and yeah it was really by how good and sprightly the in fresh <hes>. He looked on climb. I mean as as you mentioned earlier which is supposed to gain hough who was very disappointed <hes> not of course of course but he's sort of the writing was pretty much on the war. When it opened up a gap of the bottom of the final climb well managed to speak to his teammate nielsen pilots at the finish here younger writer and really a year behind set kuzin has drama in what ways he's younger still and he's been writing extremely well l. as well about movies my team. Oh my god yeah this <hes>. This racist keeps getting better for us. I guess you know we all knew that <hes> when when really early on the first or second kind of day when people don't know if it's as three or four something chasing verde and the five climbers we knew that he he was he was <hes> comedy really well here so i was really incredible that he could have the freedom to go any beginning. It was more with an eye to it helped primoz later on in the stage of <hes> if the ray scott too hard for us in the back but in the end it was very controllable for us all day and <hes> beautiful victory for sap up and primos extends his lead so couldn't have gone any better for us. I mean i think that the <hes> the attitude of the team definitely has a huge role to play. I think everybody's in such a great great mood because pretty much doing so well. Everybody on the team is feeling really strong as well yeah. The atmosphere team is amazing and not only that only helps us in the race. What do you know what was happening up the road. Were you able to follow his progress. Yeah yeah we could <hes> we could hear our directors in the in the radio the entire time and <hes> i think it was simultaneously sep was extending his lead primoz was attacking and putting time into the DC rogers and i mean that's that's such a rarity to to hear and and and and cycling to to have your your team leader extending his lead in the overall having another teammate winning the stage. It's it's <hes> <hes> it's pretty magical. This is your first. You must lean the reason idea. I wouldn't say it's easy <hes>. It's it's very enjoyable. Though it's it's <hes> it's a it's it's a great experience so far <hes> yeah it's not as it's not as as much as i played it up to be in my head. I was expecting something really treacherous attributes <hes> and i guess it can be but so far this year it's been <hes> really incredible and i don't even know what to think. Relates always being flipping over a year ago sat was writing. Is i turn on. Maybe struggling to just a little bit. Do you look at the progress made and hywel. He's been writing here and you know things that you might be on a similar. I hope so yeah i mean it's really inspiring to see sep winning a stage in the in the last week of a grand onto her <hes> that's that's your shows shows depth and strength and <hes> yeah. I'm hoping that that that i can follow a similar path and yeah maybe <hes> and future gopher someone's myself but right. Now i mean if an opportunity presents itself that's nice but our our focus is really only with pre mosier nielsen pilots. You movies various. I mean a team that is defending uneven you know strengthening its hold hold on the red jersey the leader jersey to also be able to center right up to one sage. It's not often that you really see. Have you spoken to nielsen powered by shopping the food shopping in particular. Do you know this about the humor is this up and the food coach and who isn't a supermarket. It is basically absolutely will calculate based on riders energy expenditure in a given day training session race and what they need to eat how much they they need tweet another feature houses sickly for the riders who live in the benelux countries who have box system branches of yongbo supermarkets. I think it will suggest a shopping list and they can have food. They need delivered sled door. I spoke to nelson powerless about this yesterday and what was very interesting. Ah talking about how the the goal of the nutritional team at yuma this ease that none of the ride is put on all really lose any weight in a grand tour. Oh he's made his way as my say very stable and he thought that was a key reason why he was doing pretty good up until yesterday. At least we got this up for lionel four-grand tears and then diomede nothing really to unexpected today. We've seen this from kintana a lot recently where well i think i think that the tax already made was very strong and rogue lich went with him. But what do we him ni- that movie star might get get fully behind the valverde if they weren't already. I think i'm pretty much behind him already one container at the finish he sort of this slightly kind of mystical air when he speaks <hes> sometimes year which lens sorta infuses with great profound. This was actually quite banal when you take him apart but he said at the finish she talks about the tiredness fatigue when fatigue arrives he said there's nothing you can do you just have to take your foot off the gas pedal wound and recovered again said with this very in these very kind of solitaire which which made everyone sort of stand back and stroke their chin honey they were listening to some great kind of shamanic messiah yeah thomas it is it is but it's true an ape you know it struck me actually watching paul gotcha paulk today as well as i said he looked a little bit tired and and we've talked before about how you know. Reversing momentum on grants was a bit like turning your little time krizner you know when the tightness begins to seep in these quite difficult to reverse that container is asleep as much as you know we will crowd around the finishes nahra. Can you turn this around him and he knows himself. He hasn't gotten into today and the which means he's probably not going to have is likes tomorrow. Either an unit applies to a few you guys. I think superman is probably similar position as much as you know his team supporting very well rodney aggressively less aggressive today but still pretty aggressive. I i mean just hasn't gone the punch. He needs in his next over the best guys. These guys are going backwards while the variety and enroll glacier going forwards awards it looks i mean valverde. We don't probably talk about him enough. He's thirty nine on looks as good as every traditionally kind of fades in the in the final week but but who knows you know what i mean. He's still pretty well placed if if roguish does falter yeah. I still think that a rotary doesn't win this well so the most likely rider to win is poke valverde's record in in the last week is is not great and it's gonna be interesting to see tomorrow. Climb a seventeen carla kuby are about an hour climbing. That's sometimes changes things. These different type of climate might come tomorrow and velvety struggle a little bit more. He looks fresh. Certainly today i almost forgot daniel we heard from willie smith earlier on the katina ops and writer from south africa who started start the season on terrible wound on his knee. I waited for him. Finish to wait. Twenty seven minutes fifty nine seconds after circus bay did finish any he was certainly i'm not last one hundred forty third came in and elissalde group which was a couple of minutes before the the very last remnants of the repetto before you introduce very briefly this could be a meandering debates could take about an hour. Where do you stand on so the people will come on the picture posted off the wound and his knee and these topic of duty of care comes up jessen that it shouldn't be it shouldn't be writing. I'm quite hard line on this. I sort of i kind of think that is entirely density. The individual really and i think that we lord and celebrate and venerate right the these writers for the extremes they'll go to and i think he's kind of opa of of of defying pain and as i say things thinks that we we sort of celebrate yeah absolutely i think if it's a concussion or something different matter and you were this shoe imagine doctors on the team talim if his health was at risk but ultimately it's his decision he's an adult and <hes> to whether he carries he got through the sage okay so he's still in the race and tomorrow's another day but i did mice cash a quick word with him at the finish your be here. You've made it finish which i know your word fully confident you can do. I think we were just lucky. Movie star i launched the first started rising <music> gas tax sites to the boss and dr two about it looks like walking as maybe even more painful than cycling i yeah i got more mindful towards the end so all right well. Let's say let's go to dinner daniel locally somewhere and then drive back to my strange with tell before we go a few thank. You's two friends of the podcast. At thomas felt years felt jennifer miller richard richard pinch kenneth rogers paul bailey and jeremy ruining steven tunstall alexa cartwright eric nest us madison. Neil smithson rebecca recognize rodney mccune jeffrey. Thank you very much. Thank you daniel i hereby.

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162: Choose Your Hard

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162: Choose Your Hard

"Healing is an art. It takes time. It takes practice. It takes love. Maza Datta empowerment in education too powerful elements that will help you break free of convention, transform your passion for wellness to a level beyond the status quo the essential oil revolution. Where you give them the tools to supersede an ordinary everyday lifestyle. Inspiring speakers DIY recipes healthy living tips and more jolt discovered all here, so tune it and get ready for a wellness revolution. Hey, everyone. Samantha Leigh right here. And today's episode we're gonna break our traditional bold a little bit and not dive deep into central oils or any specific health topic. We're going to skip are DIY dugout today. We're going to do things a little different because guys these past couple of weeks have thrown a huge curveball into my life that I wasn't expecting my daughter who's four years old. Her name is Layla. She's the most precious angel on this planet has been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder called juvenile idiopathic arthritis. So the past few weeks are really months lately has been a long journey of figuring that out getting to that diagnosis trying to figure out what's been going on with her her knee, especially has been very swollen. She hasn't been able to run on it in the morning. She's in. A lot of pain. And so yeah, it's been a journey. And I appreciate everyone's patience. I know we had to skip an episode last week. And thank you all so much for your support in all the past weeks of navigating what's been going on with Layla and figuring out into the best decisions that we could make for her really made me want to come on and share a conversation. I had with one of my dear friends, Katie JIRA, Donohoe about the topic of advocacy about the really what this show is all about at the heart and center of it is I'm here to empower you guys to make your best health decisions that you can to take that power of your own health and keep that in your hands. Don't give it away to someone else. Collaborating with a doctor or a medical practitioner is wise, and I highly recommend it. But that doesn't mean blind faith. In that person. You've got to ask those questions of yourself. You've got to do what's best for you. Sometimes what's best for you is to not do any of the extra research. Not get the advice from the million people on the internet trying to tell you what to do in just following the protocols that your doctor's given you, but that needs to be a conscious choice, and I see so many times people not making a conscious choice and not taking the power of their health into their own hands in. That's just something that I am really passionate about especially now with everything going on with Layla we've been collaborating with some great doctors who are really experts in this field. But they're not the only people that I'm going to bring into my corner. Because as you'll hear in this episode, what they do is very different than what some other people do in what we would like to give to our daughter, which is to up her chances the most through nutrition life. Style supplements oils, whatever we can to help her through this journey. So we're bringing more people into our corner to help with getting that advice getting on that path and doing everything we can to advocate for our daughter. So for today's episode I invited a friend of mine, Katy dear Donohoe on to share her journey of a very similar autoimmune disorder diagnosis. She received a later in life in how she navigated that juggling between her care with her doctors the medical community the western route with the alternative route of healing her body. And that's ultimately what she ended up doing was healing her body and getting off all her medications, though. It's a great story. And I hope that you get a lot out of it in empowers you and pumps you guys up to be your best advocates. Support. This week comes from our friends at Lola Lola is a company by women for women offering a line of organic cotton, tampons pads miners and all natural cleansing wipes Bola believes that women shouldn't have to compromise when it comes to women care products. And I for one couldn't agree more. I care about the ingredients that are in my food and my essential oil in my cleaning products my makeup. So why shouldn't Assane be true for it might've been in care products? 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Visit my Lola dot com and enter promo code revolution. Forty when you subscribe. That's a forty percent off at my Lola dot com. Promo code revolution. Forty. Hey, Katie how you doing good Sam? How are you? I'm doing good. Thanks for coming back on the show. You've been with us a few times. Now, you're one of my favorite guest here, and you're on my favorite people on the planet. But for those who don't know you just give a little brief introduction. Katy Jurado now. And I'm a mom of three kiddos who are currently just turned seven almost five and one and a half, and I live in Colorado, and I've been interested in health stuff for a long time. It's been kind of part of my own personal story and always been an interest of mine. I always thought when I was a kid that I'd grow up and be a doctor. So it's always been kind of part of I've always thought about health, and then my journey's kind of taken me all over the place with it. So it's been a good journey though. This episode has come about because just the other day. I was chatting with Katie. And she was like one of the first people I reached out to with this overwhelm. I was feeling of my daughter now having this diagnosis of an auto. Immune disorder and really only being given this one course of action from her doctor who I I like her doctor and I trust her. And I know that she knows what she's doing. She's she works with this illness. You know, this pretty much her area of expertise, but the frustration. I felt of not having an answer from her when I said, well, what else can I do, you know, what can I do to help this? What can I do to help support her chances of this not traveling into adulthood, or what can I do to support her body to really get to the root cause of what's going on here? And she had absolutely no answers to give me. She doesn't know how to deal with someone like me. I guess who wants wants to do everything. I can whatever tools. I have available to me to support my precious daughter. Right. So I reached out to you. And and you share your story with me. And I it was so helpful for me to hear it. And so I just had to have you come on and share your story with all of our listeners here. So why don't you start from the beginning for people? And tell us about what your journey's been like with your health issues will part of our discussion was that my original health diagnosis in college was very similar to Leyla. And so having gone through that whole process of trying to sort it out. I could really just identify with where you're at and trying to figure it out. I was a senior in college. When I started having a pain in my foot. I was driving home for fall break, and I got out of the car at a restaurant, and I was like, oh that doesn't feel so good. And I just figured it was like I'd pulled muscle in my foot or something. And then you know, I can't remember how quickly it happened. Slowly, it was like other parts of my body started to hurt and I couldn't pinpoint it anything. I had done specifically. And then it turned into all my joints were hurting. I mean, my wrist hurt. My ankles hurt my knees hurt my neck hurt. And I started trying to figure out who to see to figure out what was going on. And I was away at college. So I saw the school doctor, and they didn't know what was going on. On and I came home over Christmas and saw some doctors that were at home. And one of them told me they thought I was depressed. Nice while of course, I'm depressed. I'm in pain all the time. And everybody was trying to figure out what it was. And then it was trying to figure out which doctor to Goto because so many doctors are specialized in their area. And so nobody really knew what this was. So do I see it in a row, logistics? I a metallic gist or I see a general practitioner like who do I see I went to school out in Massachusetts. So I drove to Boston to see some of the doctors that I thought would be the best of the best. And they looked at me like they had no idea what was happening on everybody said, you look so young like you can't be in that much pain. I saw an ear nose and throat doctor at some point because mice throw had been sore for three weeks. I couldn't figure out why my sore throat wasn't going away. And when I saw this doctor he said that there was inflammation around my hired bone in my throat. And so that's why it was sore. So it wasn't actually some sort of a virus or bacteria. But that there was just inflammation there that I was experiencing every time. I swallowed I ended up in the ER at some point because I woke up one morning, and I couldn't turn my head because my neck was so stiff so I just was like grasping. For answers from someone in all of these medical professionals. Just weren't sure what it was and didn't have a name for it. And it was really scary. Because I didn't know what was happening to my body. I didn't know, you know, with that progression was gonna look like I got to the point where I couldn't walk to class. So I had to call the van the come pick me up and take me to class. I was able to do all the things my friends were doing their senior year of college, and it was just super frustrating. But nobody could tell me what it was or what was going on and months later. I finally saw a rheumatologist in. They diagnosed it doesn't auto immune condition related to a rematch. Arthritis did not test positive for rheumatoid factor though. So they didn't technically call it rheumatoid arthritis. But they called it undifferentiated spawned the lower throughout the which when you break that down. All that really means is we don't know what caused it. An arthritis of the spine other joints steadies is exactly what they've diagnosed Layla with now currently. Yep. Same thing. So when I. Figured out that that's what that meant. I thought. Well, clearly, we don't know what caused it. So that part of the title is not helping me know what this is arthritis have spine another joints. I mean, we know that that's what I'm experiencing. So having a diagnosis didn't really tell me anything. Although there was this name to it, which I think gave me some sort of peace of mind that I wasn't crazy 'cause I did feel like is this in my head and for those unfamiliar with auto immune disorders, are there's there's so many auto immune disorders in the world. And we could probably talk all day about why that is I have my own theories as well. I didn't know it's just so many people really suffering from these autoimmune disorders. But essentially what they are is is a term given to pretty much any illness where we see the body attacking itself. And we don't know exactly what's causing that. We see the body attacking. So for example, in my little Layla. She's got her immune systems attacking her joints. In causing all, this, inflammation, and swelling. And it's interesting that in the western medicine world that is just sort of a period after that sentence, and then for me, and I'm sure for you in a lot of people. It's just not the end of the sentence for as we want to know, what do you mean the bodies attacking itself, or no reason that makes absolutely no sense. I've got this beautiful healthy little baby girl, she's been healthy her whole life like her body. She's not going to all of a sudden decide to start attacking itself. There's got to be a reason for this. And there's got to be a reason so many people are experiencing this. And let's figure out why let's figure out the root cause I mean, mold a virus vaccine response diet. Like, there's I mean, there's something there. Right. So goes gonna say recently, I was reading something more they were talking about autoimmune disease, and they raise the question like do autoimmune diseases actually exist because the body wasn't created to attack itself. And so there's something that's triggered the. Body to respond in the way, it is. But is it really attacking self or is it just responding to what's going on around it end. So this person's premise was that we label auto immune anything that we can't figure out what it is like it's easier to lump it into this autoimmune category. And just chalk it up to the bodies attacking 'Self rather than actually try and figure out what's causing at what's going on. And how a change that up. And I can tell you now that I've done a lot of things in my life that I mean, I don't even identify with that diagnosis because I don't have those symptoms, and I have done so many things over the last. I mean that was in two thousand and three that I was diagnosed with that so sixteen years ago, and I just don't even have that class of symptoms anymore. So that name was given to me because I had a specific class of symptoms. And when they told me about the diagnosis, they still said, you know, this presents differently in men than it doesn't women and for women at tends to exemplify more in their extremities and men. Not so much. And so it's like we give these labels of things that are lump of symptoms. But what does that really telling us? So yeah, my whole journey has been about trying to figure out what's going on with my body wise. My body responding the way it is in what can I do to eliminate the things that are contributing towards this kind of a reaction may. And I want to hear about what you did what what steps you took. And what your doctor's reaction was to all this. So when I came home from college, I came back to Michigan or my family was 'cause I wasn't certain that I'd ever be able to work a normal job or having normal life because I couldn't move. And so I came back home, and I was looking for a rheumatologist there, and I was waiting tables at a jazz club. And I was chatting with the people I was working with their in a head like looking into lots of different Rheumatologists. But I was on a wait list for all these different people, which is crazy living in Michigan near the university of Michigan where there's so many medical facilities. But I was on a wait list for all these people mile and one of the guys sitting at the bar who was a regular customer of ours. I was chatting with my boss, and she said, oh, you should talk to someone over here. He works over at the U. And he's a rheumatologist so I went over to talk to him and sat down with him. And he literally came in for happy hour every Friday night. So I knew him and we were chatting, and he said, well who are you trying to get into see, and I listed off all the people I had appointments to see he said why trained all of them? Why don't you just come see me? And so I started seeing him and he was fantastic. I loved him, and he would allow me to take a lot of medications. So that I could function. I mean, I think I was on nine different medications at one point in time because I was on anti inflammatory one of the things that I thought was interesting about the anti-inflammatory is when they first tried to figure out what would help they tried a bunch of different things that didn't seem to help and the one they settled on was an old class of drugs that my grandfather actually took when he was in his thirties and had similar joint pain. So I thought that was interesting that the same thing that worked for him was also the one that worked for mandates teams worked for me. So then they put you on the net. Protect your stomach from an ulcer. And then they put me on antidepressants. And then they put me on a low dose of another anti-depressant to help me sleep. And then they put me on something to keep the medication in my system during the night because I would wake up and not be able to walk for a couple of hours after I take my medication because I'd wait for that medication to kick in. So I was on all of these meds to counter side effects from. They told me I couldn't get pregnant on all of those medications because the one that protects your stomach from an ulcer will also cause you to abort a fetus if you get pregnant answer. It was like this whole host of things that I was kind of staring down for the rest of my life. So I would go into see him regularly. He let me take a much higher dose of the anti-inflammatory than anybody else would because that's what it took to help may function. And at some point I got a message on my answering machine back in the day when we had answering machine. That my liver enzymes are elevated, and he wanted to chat with me about what we need to do about that. And my parents were completely flipped out about that my dad's a pharmacist so while versed in the western medical community. And they just said we will do whatever it takes to support you to figure out how to get you off of these drugs 'cause I was twenty six twenty seven at the time and had been on these medications for a few years three three or four years and was looking at having long-term liver problems, which clearly is not good. So that's great that you had support from your parents. He said, let's do what it takes. Let's do the so I wanna hear from you about what that mental shift was like for you to send your parents even to start to walk into that role of carving out your own health journey in. 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So it was really tricky. I was in grad school at the time as well. And I was really nervous about what that was gonna look like if I backed off my medications could I actually continue going to class could I complete my studies if I stopped taking my sleeping medication would I be able to sleep or what I be up all night and exhausted. I'm not able to focus and function. And so it was definitely overwhelming. And people also kind of came out of the woodwork of all these things that they had heard about had saved someone from something. And so was try this juice or try this supplement are an it is overwhelming because it's expensive to just trial the things, and then you don't know what's going to help. And so it was definitely overwhelming. But having the support of my parents was huge 'cause I had somebody in my corner to help me figure it out and helped me financially at the time because I wasn't working. I was in grad school, and I wasn't really fit to work. If I needed to work out of waiting tables a little bit at the jazz club. So right, which. I'm sure was very hard thing for you to do in your condition. Yeah. And I just worked a couple of days a week and said what I code. But yeah, it was definitely challenging to try and sort it out. So you just kind of have this whole this whole world of natural alternatives that you're taking a stab in the dark to try and figure out what would help make. Absolutely. So what did you do from there? We had a family friend who was selling supplements from a company called nanotech. And I started taking some of those supplements in one of them was a oh nutrient which is supposed to help yourselves communicate better with each other, which then helps your body actually do it. It's supposed to do because if your cells can communicate that in your body in theory should be able to do what it's designed how it's designed to function. It's only started taking that supplement. Didn't notice major changes at first it was kind of like the wealth stick with it long-term and see how it changes over time. I also had some digestive stuff that was associated with my joint pain. And eventually we added digestive enzymes, and at that point when we. Added the digestive enzymes my body was actually able to utilize the other supplement. And I started noticing major changes I sought out Dios doctor of osteopathy I had acupuncture done. I was getting massage. I was looking into the feldon craze method of movement. What else do we do? It was pretty much anytime. I could come up with a practitioner that might be able to help I just pursued them to try and figure out if anyone had something make it offer me that could be contributing to what was going on. Yeah. It's very overwhelming the amount of options that are out there for sure something you said in there that I wanted to highlight though, was that you said that once he started focusing on healing, your gut a little bit you notice that the what you were taking was starting to be more effective. And I think that that's just a really good takeaway that I wanna pause on real quick because I know I've said it before, but I'll say over and over again on this show, like gut health is the root. It's so important for anyone on a health journey if you want your body to be able to use. What you're putting into it? You've got to heal that gut. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that was definitely the game changer was working on that piece. Yeah. Absolutely. We'll katie. What would you say to people listening who might be in that position of overwhelm as well and looking at all their options in not not really knowing how to produce this with their doctor either. Like, you had your doctor that you loved I have the doctor with for Layla right now. I really like her. But I'm in that position where I almost feel scared to in. Oh, say, well, I don't know if we we really wanna do this like I'm gonna go maybe try some of this stuff over here and just the fear of that unknown. Okay. What's going to happen? If I don't follow. This course of action. And how's it really navigate that in that medical setting? Yeah. At the time, I didn't know enough about alternative methods to have been doing things, I'm all Tanis Lear have thought to do that. I so I had. All in with the medications, and that's what I had been relying on. And that was what our families background had been with my dad being a pharmacist. And he just hadn't occurred to me to do other things. But when I started doing other things noticing changes, I had come back to my doctor and talked to him about it. And he actually had another patient who went to church with my parents who she was taking the similar supplements seeing results from it. And so he had to patients that were on the same supplement and seeing results from it. But because that's not his expertise in not an area that he's trained in. He couldn't speak to that at all whether or not that was actually beneficial or not it just wasn't part of his realm of education. And so the, you know, I kept thinking like if I tell them about this, and it's helping me then surely he'll tell other people about it, and they could help them too. But it's just not part of his paradigm. And eventually at some point he said to me, your numbers, look great. My c reactive protein hit come down. Which is a marker for inflammation. And he just said there's really nothing more that I can offer you and keep doing what you're doing is whatever you're doing is helping at he was from this perspective of everything in moderation, like even need to cut everything out just do everything in moderation. And at that point. He said to me, you really don't need this come see me and have no need for my poisons anymore unless something comes up and you start feeling bad again. And that was literally what he said you have no need for my poisons anymore. And I thought well, that's really interesting. You know, the words coming out of his mouth and that he really couldn't help me. And he wasn't going to waste my time to have may continue coming to see him. If I was getting better doing all the things I was doing, and it wasn't a result of the medications that I was on grain, right? Yeah. There's two really interesting things. I wanna point out about about what you said. And the first being of course, the doctors oftentimes will refer to their own medications as poison because they're trained in medical school to understand that every medication every pharmaceutical has a consequence rate has a side effect, and that's just their paradigm. That's how they're talking. They're taught to help their patients minimize those symptoms by masking those side effects as much as possible usually with more medication, right? And it's really it's just a very interesting. Just a very interesting field in general because medications can be absolutely lifesaving. Right. And we we meet them some people need them to survive. But. It's so interesting to me that that's the only answer that doctors are ever given when they know that that's not going to help forever. That's not going to heal this patient, right? And it's gonna have long listing side effects. So that's just a really interesting point. You think about it? I was going to say that that shift I think was really important for me from managing a disease to healing my body. I mean, those two very different perspectives. And so when I realized that managing my disease wasn't actually helping because I was having additional issues come up that we're going to be more detrimental long-term than I had to shift into. How can I heal my body? And what does that look like, which is entirely different thing? Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I think it's important to understand it. First of all, I'm a huge fan of of balance. I'm a huge advocate for everything in moderation. And that coexisting is great. And I'm so right now, I'm very I'm almost sad. And depressed at the the the way that western medicine is often completely on the opposite side of alternative medicine or Hellenistic health or finding that root cause and just wouldn't it be great if they could coexist together more beautifully, but the, but the situation, and the honest truth is it's very very rare to find a medical doctor who agrees with that. And who can really help you may not disagree. It would be hard to find a doctor that will tell you. Oh, I don't believe that eating right, or, you know, physical exercise aren't going to help. But it's just that they're not really a quipped or trained to help you in that journey. And that's that's okay. I'm not trying to shame doctors and say that they necessarily have to do that. And that's their role. But I think it's important from a patient standpoint to understand that that's not their role, and that you have to be your own advocate to if you do want to take that journey of let me instead of managing this disease. Let me try to. He'll my body. And I just think that's a really important lesson. I think it can easy to be in that default mode of listening to your doctor and doing what your doctors asking you to do especially when you're in pain, and you don't have the energy to pursue anything outside of what you're doing. And it's taking all you have to just function and survive the day to day. It's like where do you even come up with the reserves to look into all the other things? But if you don't then you stay in that existence. So it's kinda that whole thing of choose your hard. You know, it's. Feel bad and the just be managing day to day. But it's also hard to come up with energy and motivation to think about it from a different perspective and pursue other avenues. But ultimately, that's what brought me to a place of healing and living a really different life. So I don't go to the doctor all the time to have my blood checked in my liver. Checking all those things I do spend my time investing in what I'm eating and what supplements I'm taking and using essential oils and getting massage, and I do see my muscle testing practitioner when something comes up, and then I get support with supplements in homeopathic, so my energy shifted into a different place, but it shifted into place. That's a healing place. Not a managing symptoms play. Speaking of oils before we say, hit by suppose, we should talk about central a little bit. It is the essential oil revolution. So Ashley say goodbye, Katie. And thank you so much for sharing your journey with us. I know that you know, it's it can be vulnerable to share that path with someone and to share it with our audience here. We really appreciate but. Yeah, before we say goodbye, tell us how central oils have played a part in your journey in your life since that history. Yeah. Well, all of that started back in two thousand and three and I didn't even come into contact with the whole concept of oils and how they could help until twenty fourteen. So it was way down the road. I was already really far along in my health journey. But now I had a one and a half year old and I was pregnant with number two. And I was looking for ways to have additional tools to support my kids per my family, and so came across the central and they've just been an awesome added tool in my toolbox for having things on hand that support us on a day-to-day basis, we use them for health support and emotional support. And gosh. She a mom there. So great for helping with stress, and you know, I just had no idea earlier on that. There were these tools that could run the gamut of helping and all these different areas. So we use them regularly in our daily life might kids ask for them for various things and just become part of our, you know, part of what we use on a daily basis to support our health and well-being awesome. Thank you so much. Katie. We love you. And we appreciate you coming on here to share your wisdom with us on the central. You'll revolution. Thank you for having me Sam, thanks so much for tuning in everyone. And thank you to everyone who sent such kind and warm well wishes to me, and my family, I've gotten your emails if gotten your Facebook messages, thank you so much means a lot to me. Okay. Guys here next week. We are going to be diving into helium chrysanthemum essential oil. It's an amazing oil. I can't believe we haven't profile on it yet. So I'm really looking for to diving. In deep to that oil with you guys next week, if you haven't done so already go ahead and hit subscribe wherever you listen to this podcast and leave us a rating and review as well. It means so much. 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Ep136: Support vs. Abandonment

So, Here's My Story...

26:55 min | 9 months ago

Ep136: Support vs. Abandonment

"If you don't teach you from the seats you better teach from the electric business messy and unpredictable. Sometimes lowly really so low and inspiration can often come from really weird places. We pick up where the bullet point blogs and the highlight reels. Leave off uh we start with stories. Welcome back to. So here's my story. This is jody actually end up talking talking about facebook groups. Interestingly which is a great time to save you haven't jumped into the facebook group. You can find the link on our website at so here's Miss Dot com or also on our facebook page. So so here's my story and you have a story. I do on So here's my story Any of you who are around in our first first year Were blessed with multiple. Jody Jim Stories. Would you call it. Blessed is one way to put it. There were often metaphors that that I that I thought of at the gym that we use for episodes and you may or may not have noticed that for about a two year period or year and a half year they just sort of disappeared And that's not because I had some major major restraint that I just stopped going to the gym and So anyway as of this year I'm like making health priorities so I'm back on track doing these things things and one of the things that has been really working extremely well for me is intermittent fasting. Another West Palace works okay. It's basically stopping and starting eating at like say you. You just eat in a smaller window of time you know or period where you're funny. You say that because this gets into the story alternately so short up now yeah so I've been doing it off and on for about a year and A year and a half and it worked really well for me last January and whatever. Anyway there is here. We're getting the story. There is technically no reason that you need need an APP for intermittent fasting. Because it's literally some people say you can just fast for twelve hours. But I don't understand that because that's not even missing a meal But kind of the minimum as long as you fast for sixteen hours a fair now The minimum is like fasting for sixteen hours. which is basically skipping breakfast? Or whatever It's a lot of people do like eighteen twenty hours. Some people do longer fast but not every day whatever anyway it's just stopping and starting so you don't need an APP but I I found this APP last year that I really really liked for a couple of just hysterically. Psychological reasons one is once I hit that button to start my fast after dinner. If I'm like tempted to eat right some some things even a healthy thing or whatever in my mind before I was using the APP I would go and eat the thing it'd be like well. Just start my fast now while my fast now within its later start which means it's later the next day and it's just it's not good so hitting the button I wouldn't go back and hit the button and restart and it's got some cool little visuals that were found really inspiring a lot of good information. So I don't know what possessed me to look. I keep constantly getting these Posts it's a on these these ads on facebook and other places for This other APP. That promises like to tell you. Exactly what kinds of foods you should be eating eating when you are out of your fasting window and all this stuff and I don't know maybe I was like I don't know I was in a very whatever stayed but I went ahead and clicked through just to see what it was and of course you take their quiz And then to get the results you have to do this thing which already a tiny bit annoyed by this turns into sort of a rant by the way so you're is just physically. I Ah I'M NOT WITH YOU ON. This story. Does become a good story turns into Arango so anyway to make a very long story short I paid like the whatever it was like twenty bucks or something to to get a year. Whatever 'cause I wanted to see the next bit and it seemed compelling well not only? was that really disappointing. But here's the the the abyss that I found myself in automatically can join this facebook group that they have must go. Let's go maybe tips from other investors. Whatever it became name this I was joking with a Christie? Who does our show notes about? I said. Here's a little peek into my world. Join this thing that came to mind. You don't even really need an APP. These people everyone in in this group has paid to use an APP because the APP I was using was free and then I spent an embarrassing amount of time. Course correcting people's there's really bad information. There's no support from the APP in the group really. They're not putting out very good information. The APP will only let you choose shoes three versions of fasting and they make it seem like if you choose the sixteen hour it is from seven to twelve or whatever it is and so people are asking these questions. What happens if I started if six to eleven with that mess everything up? I'm like no that doesn't mess every and it's wildly irresponsible because they're creating all all this like extra need that that isn't even there but then they're not even tending to the need and I'm not even kidding I was I had actually had to leave the facebook and because I was I was so upset by how poorly informed these people who are paying for an APP and then it's whipped. What's up all this extra nonsense and so there's two interesting things to this? I wanted to put it out there for an episode and you may take it in a completely different direction. One that aspect of an you know your responsibility as a business You hats off to them. I guess forgetting people to pay for a thing that they don't even need need. I mean we won't even start there but then if you do you know what responsibility you have to actually really deliver and inform and guide responsible way. there's also I think maybe some of the things that they have done. I think we're maybe to try and simplify fasting for people. But they've actually made it more complicated and then the third one that I also found interesting it was my own sort of prioritization. Or whatever you WANNA call it of having to step back from a thing and like is this where I was put on the earth. Take the work that I am here to do. is to educate people who are intermittent fasting. Oh across the globe I told Christie I said I was I was I. I was fighting that battle like charging those windmills as if I was fighting systemic racism or something it was just like daunting battle to inform these I found a group anyway. So there's story so so the first thing that occurred to make us there are a number of of jumping off points here. The first thing that occurred to me is when you said that the options are restricted. As you must in your example. You must start fasting at seven and then move on and I'm thinking thinking but they're not meeting their people where they are. You know they're not they're not responding to what may be the knowledge gap. They're I'm not giving them up. They're not giving them making allowances for different lifestyles. They're just putting their saying. Here's the box that we built and you have to fit into. That is at at least four ones that I responded to people who work the night shift and I guess I can't fast if I were like no that's not how you put but here's the thing in. The business made decided that they were going to make a choice. Our people the ones that we wanna work with are the one can start there that are interested in intermittent. Fasting are in it for the long haul will pay twenty bucks or whatever it is will be active in the facebook group and will start the fast religiously religiously at seven then. They made that decision. You may question their business model and all that stuff but they made the decision and then they have an obligation to make that filter known to everybody else times. Our few. You're not in the night then. Nobody walks in uninformed right the and the bummer about baronets specifically. Is You know I have done a lot of research on over the past year or two. And you know Christie's wildly informed about this stuff. There is no reason as it is because we've talked before about setting a certain bar like if you WanNa work with my company you like if you WanNa work with me you have to know and I make this very clear. I am not someone who comes with an off the shelf. Step one unsteady step three. I make that super clear that is a choice. I'm making for for reasons that matter. There is literally zero scientific reason or or any reason reason why fast the whole point of fasting is just simply like Jira has food in your belly or you know. Are you putting in your belly. Are you not putting feeling rebellious. I get irritated. But that's the scientific part of it but the emotional part. There are people out there who respond very negatively to would what I've heard called the curse first of options right and they wanna be told. Look I realized that there may be no difference from starting the fast at four in the afternoon or seven the in the evening. Maybe no difference but I need to lose weight or to get healthier whatever it is and I want you to tell me you give me a program. I will follow it to the letter so if you tell me start right at six forty five. I won't start at six forty six Australia. Six forty five. I got it. And if you're appealing to if you try and talknet of being angry with evaluate my anger would stem from another reason which is that if they made that decision? I don't think they did if if they made that decision. Then you have an obligation to let people self screen And then if they if you put everything out on these people are like I'm right there with you. Six forty seven is when I'm starting my fast and I'm GonNa follow like a like a military I'm going to follow follow your orders and then then that's that's what they're in foreign. You deliver exactly what you promise but if you just say join us. We're we're GONNA introduce you to this great way to be healthy. And then they failed to they have a screen but they failed to put it out there and they raised more questions and more they instill more angst in their in their audience. They're paying audience. They're paying on which is the last level of just where my rant is crazy. Randy is is they I if I had a a product or service or whatever and I had a a room. Let's call it. You know this facebook group where my paying people were consistently having the same problem a it would how do they not have some mm-hmm feel some responsibility for them to be weighing and say like hey because because the only to have longer options but at the beginning you can choose like sixteen hour or or twenty hour so people were asking questions will like you know I. I don't really feel like any but I can't go all the way to twenty so I'm sticking with sixteen and I'm like no there's actually massive benefits like seventeen nineteen eighteen hours and and explaining a lot of this but they should be doing that like there. Would it felt like miss wandering into like a room of orphaned children. An and and and I and I when I last I was like I'm abandoning you with no adult to help you understand. Not that I have some sort of God complex there but but they it should be. That was like you know what it's exactly like what happens. When there's an organization with a leadership vacuum rumor start and other people feed those dreamers invalidate those rumors and build on those rumors because nature hates nature reports evacuate if there's a vacuum than people rushed to fill it with anything could be garbage wisdom could whatever but the other thing that strikes me is that the stakes here are pretty high? meaning that I know you're thinking give me that look So so so the stakes are high because this is somebody's health right so a number of people may be joining this because it's the last sort of gotta get healthy. I'm really overweight overweight. There's there's a lot of angst over Health and body image to begin with if this were a dynamic where people were just trying to figure out whether to go with the blue or a black pen right than the stakes are lower. And so if you fill the room with orphans and you don't give them guidance on the blue or the black game frustrated. They're frustrated really. It doesn't really in the grand scheme of things matter but here you've taken something that's deeply personal signet highly really important to your audience then abandoned. Okay let's say here's a weird metaphor it's like a room full of orphans all going through puberty and there's no adult there alike. Say nope that's normal. Okay that's actually not normal. We should take you to a doctor like there's no one there guiding this process and and and the frustration that people were having having may have an option for twelve twelve fast which I think is perfectly fine to dabble into it. If you are somebody who who is twenty four hours a day you know eat. It's one o'clock in the morning and then the first thing us put food in your mouth. That's probably a great start and I don't doubt that some people lose weight on a twelve twelve a because it probably eliminates eliminates late night snacking be they. A lot of those people are also doing like Kito or something when they are eating and they're exercising more so I don't think the twelve with our fast in of itself. Nothing has scientifically happened in your body at that point that would promote weight loss. And you still have twelve hours to do a lot of really bad Decisions about what you're eating and but I would see these four pack a lot of bad decisions into twelve hour. I know I I have packed a lot of bad decisions into way less than twelve hours so I that was one of the things that bothered me most was the people were like. No I've been doing twelve twelve for two weeks and I haven't lost pound was like that's because you're like Mon Karen skip tend to eat like Sounds like I'm being judgmental but it just kept getting angrier and angrier at the lack of responsibility for the thing and again paid. If it was a free free APP it would be so much easier for me to walk away from but I just became this weird like like soldier of Justice will but I think but it is all around around expectations but before I get into to that I do want to give a shout out to the possibility of of a title for the episode Soda Orphans Going Through Puberty. Because I was so sure with the rue the roof because sergeant absolutely and the place to get below down on that also punk band name but but it I think it really boils down to expectations expectations on both sides but one of the things that we had talked about was that this is a paid APP. So I'm wondering doing what your rent would have been or if there would have been around. Had it been a free APP. meaning that the expectations for many people as it's a free APP I spent wrapping on it and so if I get some good information great if I don't that's fine and even though twenty dollars is not going to be see the difference in keeping the lights on food and your kids belly or or anything like that but you pay and I'm wondering what the difference would be to you. Well so interestingly yeah I knew and this may have colored view even more like it's sent me into that group already irritated. I knew there was trouble or not trouble but that this wasn't just an inherently. I don't know no not not that. Not The companies are people who do this is inherently not on the up and up but it just is never a good sign to me when you do buy a thing and end immediately you get not one not two but three things that are like wait before you go to get this one time and I was like no and they're like the wait for you go. Would you like this access to like blabbity Blah. Thanks and immediately they tried to sell you a bunch of other things before you have even gotten your quiz results. Seen the APP going into the facebook group. You're already trying to sell me things before I eat when I just paid you and I haven't even gotten any service and yet I'm immediately irritated because I feel it gives me an immediate. Yuck feeling it had it been free. I think one thing that I would have done is I would have been I mean I already often referenced. The APP I use with with pictures just as demonstration because you can see part of what I like about is like as you reach the sixteenth. Our you know the the sorry the twelve hour and in the sixteenth our and then if you go further like the nineteen those little icons that say like Oh hey now you're in heavy ketosis or whatever and it's it's been one of the reasons I like it because sometimes I'm like Oh maybe I'll just cut it here in this cookie that wherever so And I'll see like a million only an hour away from or you know I just wanted to have you ketosis. I don't WanNa blow that on a cookie and it just helps me make better decisions and So I have shown that sometimes also to visually show. Oh people that twelve hours. You're it's just beginning and so even if you can go thirteen it you probably get better results than because one of the thing. Everyone wants to have all all these conversations about the right things to eat when they do eat. And not that that doesn't matter but that's not. The point of fasting like stick is one other point that I that I thought we had an interesting metaphor metaphor Slim's last things I weighed in on somebody with was was that I said instead of losing yourself in. She's asking questions of what she should eat Z.. You're going to get fifty-seven answers from fifty seven different people and that will be great information for what works for them but but before you even go there. The whole point of fasting is it's it's very simple and you just don't eat for a period of time and you would get such better results if you just every day. Go fifteen twenty minutes longer and in a week or two you're at sixteen or are seventeen or eighteen. Just focus on that and then if you're not if it's not working for you then tweak what you're eating in your eating hours but it's just it's all upside down and lost my train. Thought Oh but I so I would share that regularly. If it was free I probably would have shared it even more because I did feel a tiny bit like some one of the admins at some point if there are admins because I never saw them might pull me aside and being like are you trying to like. Are you plant from the other APP because I was so often caught. I'm not talking about the other APP but I don't know high would've felt. I think I probably still would have been irritated. Just because I don't know if you start a thing if you host a party you need to make sure people are taken taking care of and and I do think about just bad information we'll let you know it's interesting because You know the place where I go for public speaking speaking of mentoring when we teach people who are coming in one of the things that they have is their mantra pledge in what part of their pledges I will be a performer. Not a critic and what they meant by that And what they tell us is is look. We have this curriculum. And you're here. You're learning the curriculum but your obligation as a student is to learn that use it to develop your people and also to be supportive of others but the cardinal sin here is as a student you hear somebody else do their speech or their thing and you come up to them to hit. That was great. I had a really good idea for what you should do you or you start replacing Eric Curriculum with yours for your viewing it through your Lens. And you're saying you're I had an idea and I was thinking and all of that may be well meaning but what you're doing is you are now becoming your own school. The teaching from the seats so they have a number of rules but one of the rules. That is very very central to their philosophy is no teaching from the seats. Because I yeah like I'm doing that's what you that's what you're doing and the reason that you were doing it is because not because as you said at the beginning because you have this overwhelming desire to be nutrition infesting or whatever coach but because it was so much bad information because they failed to provide the structure of teaching from the seats. You'd better teach from the lectern. Yes yes Oh bump bump Mike shop there yet. No that's exactly right. There's no one teaching from the lecture and it's funny because I I I literally had that thought because I hate people teaching from the seeds. Nothing drives me more crazy than if I'm at an event and there's a panel. I think we've talked about this. People raise their hand hand asked question and instead of asking questions pontificates sort of show off that they know things experience. You know what I find works really well let me say it just like that. Like there's hours you only teach obnoxious rooted apparently and it just always drives me crazy and I can feel myself doing that. And I'm like don't be that person jody but but it's funny. I even had that thought I was like. There's no teacher here the. There's no one in this room who's GonNa come. I really did have the admin thought like some admins going to yell at me for promoting another APP. I was like what Admin. I haven't seen a single admin here way in or give guides or host host things Like post either motivation or like post your wins today or or even like. Here's an I've seen a lot of questions on nutrition Tricia when you are eating. Here's a handy guide or none of that but you know and as soon as you let it. Go just to close the loop on Hbo Speaking Place. They have their own closed community. And if I went on there and said you know David I have a great idea idea for your speech. Here's what you should do. They would remove that post instantly. They have people looking for that. Because there's you know they adhere to what I've I've heard from a number of people you know you you teach what you tolerate yet and so if you just tolerate like you're no Edmund in the In that facebook group if view just tolerate the teaching from the seats then you're allowing it then people are like. Oh that's the way this group works now. Of course I'm a dissatisfied customer Moore because unlike that's not what I paid for right and had I paid for anymore. Honestly I mean had it paid any more for it than I did. It's not worth the effort. I would want my money back the the real reason I clicked it. I'll have to watch that again. I will screen shot it. I swear it said you get this like cost demise D- something about this quiz quiz. You took that then it would tell you exactly something. I don't remember what it was but it sounded interesting and compelling I never got any whatever whatever was the the Oh that was the fascinating thing. Whatever you put all this information into the quiz then you go download the APP and and when you do it you have to create your? You're logging you download the APP you go in. None of that information is represented there. I still had to put in my height and my age. And so there's there's no correlation there's no value. It's just just a teaser that they use it feels like one giant scam. Honestly of all of it is just. It's it's like a big pile. While of all the best yet. Slighest Marketing and sales tactics. There are all in one big pile. And it's there's nothing under the policy. Whatever that exemption snow pony in there talking the gets back to the expectations because and real fast over at the end and you know it cuts across industries? I worked with a graphic designer Though is a branding expert. It was really good. She wound up being terrific. But one of the things you want. Let me to do this while back is still had a vision board about what images of certain things whatever and I actually. I was skeptical about it. But I'm like okay. This is a process. Fine a body GONNA follow a process I did. I filled it out but I never heard anything more about that again and But there's there's an expectation. Hello when they ask me for interaction. Whether it's you're filling out your things for my vision board or or your retirement profile or whatever it is It's not just an engagement tactic. It ratchets up the expectations. Yes there's going to be something customized and you're gonNA listen to me right When then in reality a lot of people say great I got your engagement? That's a marketing technique. And now you really. It really works so please tell me your the name and the state you live in life. But I guess my darkest unless I know everything about Josh and I do think and I I know we have durant here but it was. It was truly at the difficulty with which I left. 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The Technological Seasons of Retail

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The Technological Seasons of Retail

"Welcome to the GATT whip podcast. I will be your host Elizabeth. This podcast will focus on the decline of women in technology and how our grass asked Roots Organization works with the Community to foster relationships in reducing the gap of women. And we'll be talking with both men and women and how to continue to move the needle forward on those relationships for more information. Please check US out at get with it doc. Hello and welcome to another edition of the podcast. Today we have a professional name. I'll just do professional name. I nine then we can go into the non-professional name's Jennifer Drake Feingold. I colored Jan.. which she was my Guru scrum master out at the gap and Hijen hey sweet or non professional and call you Loretta you bet. Yes Comey Loretta. Yeah that was my name at the gap with Loretta. So how have you been have been good. Have you been. I've been you know busy. What's living life anything exciting you got? What's the girl doing by girl? Your Child Oh my daughter She's a sophomore now. She has her permit Holy Shit She's driving. Yes I remember when the other one was driving. Yes and so. I've seen my life flash before my eyes many times I betcha she's really good driver driver set let stated it that much. Okay now. Does she drive too. Close to the inner lane or the curb. You don't need to go to the left. Go right go to go to the right Dr Ner what you do the driving training needed make your husband. Oh The Times I tapped out. I'll K then. She did drivers said this summer to that made a world of difference when there was a complete stranger their Oh really yes oh she paid attention yes and they break in the car. O I bet you you did to wish or at least wish you had another break my car many times. Yeah I I remember. My parents tried my mom trying to find the brake on the passage of humanitarian over. Got Him again okay. Now what is she doing now. Is She playing Lacrosse or just finished marching band marching band. Okay and the in your son's on marching band to Oh yes. He's a senior with petition this weekend. Holy Shit we're going off to college. Yes I'm feeling very old. What has the applied yet? Anywhere Ziv is set. His sights set on someplace. He's implied to five schools been accepted into three or four of them. Three of them now still waiting to hear from Ohio state and you see. I don't think they do the rolling admissions. But we've gotten into capital owed you can stay in Oh you can stay capital windy here from Commenced to be a nurse. Oh he wants to go and be a nurse to let me think Oh issue has really good program but one of those other ones you just said to one of your. How did they so he's going to hear here? He knows what he wants to do. Holy Shit Wow. He didn't want to go into technology like his mom and dad for that matter neither one of them went to go into the family business. Now Rally of flip back and forth to it but yeah Mike Goodness so he's so he's in the marching band so both of them have state this weekend yes cannot winchester's marching band it. Casey plays the tenors. And Riley is the flight core. Oh Okay and then what happens after this weekend. Nothing that's it that's it it's done it's done right okay. They up to my God Let's see Anna Just finished school. Volleyball was horrendous as always and she you made rub Buckeye elite team so she signed with them and so that seems. That's like a lot of light traveling for me. I haven't I don't think I've accepted at and then Christopher who would've funk has become the slake world-class swimmer Mer very cool. I know Ray. He goes to the little goldfish school swimming and he loves it in there. Like he's really good and I was like what great because you know it's costing me a small fortune so I'm so glad that he's happy so things we do for kids right expensive sport fully better. Not Yes. Yes she got paid for like lane meantime and everything so what was going on at the gap. We're gearing up. We should tell everybody about you who you are how you got into what. Oh you do and what you do okay. I'm just catching up. Like we were having like beers. Catch him up at the bar but but Okay you go commute. Take a SWIG So I am the lead Scrimgeour for all gaps global supply chain. And how I got here is some days. I have no idea exactly how I got to where I am. But let's say I've been you know like most those people Columbus I've done the The tour of the big companies time at chase time at nationwide and gap kept calling. And I I don't know we'll see they call again about four months later. Be like whatever I don't feel like don't interview only one day. My husband is doing just take the interview. I found that they relate ten minutes from my house. I could jeans shorts and flip flops. Tour goes like all right. Let's do it. That was like four or five years ago. I made the leap out to retails total change change of pace and by regretted the move ever since. So I've been working in Agile Delivery for probably the last ten years and I can't imagine any other way of delivering software. Were Okay and the gap. You're right retail is nothing. It's totally different beast. Yes ma'am uh-huh. I have to laugh at that because people are like. Oh you've done a stint retail. Yeah sure have loved it and I get a lot of people who think it's really funny that I loved the infrastructure team guessing limited to buy yeah lab. People don't like the infrastructure. I loved them. I'm going to assume that the the crews still they are. Yes they are Mr X.. They are old. They're in their in their love. Larger right now. Oh really just just for me. Oh okay physically. Up He ended. The team has expanded. Wow why just current demand with the projects that we have going on. Oh okay okay. So old navy gone. I I know old navy gear while gap and old navy breaking up okay. They're divorced Divorcing that relationships over with well. You know it's kind of the. That were the separation time before. We go to court and officially break-up divorce on. I think it's made verster that first week of May and why Each company to have their own identity. Okay I didn't realize all navy was a separate company. It's going to be. It's not now but but it will be. Oh it will be but then I mean you got the gap still have athletic. I don't say that rate athletic. Yes so after. May I have old navy on its own. It'll have its own stock ticker and then you'll have gap Banana Republic Hill City Jackson. I'm Jamie Athletic in. It'll be known as the gap so that all falls under that umbrella. Yes okay okay. So so how does that affect you still learning so right now the Ohio facility of announced that will be maybe but how all that affects the the end of the day. We're still kind of burning warning what that does so. Probably at the end of it probably not much else. So you're GONNA so also say what Only will be the old navy. Yes okay okay. What were you gonNA say so? At the end of the day I'll still be sitting with the infrastructure team. So are you with them now. I thought you had a scrum master. There I do I just sit near them. You just sit near them to talk. taught music Eckstein next to him. He loves it yes he does yeah he loves it okay so right now like tell people. You're the UBER. scrum master. Yes and then we might want to explain what life global chain what that really means so. The global supply chain is really getting the product from from designing from overseas all the way into the customer's hands and from planning inventory. How much wine to sell all out a few seasons in to fulfilling in order from from the side whether it's ups Fedex all the way into the customer's hands or even into the retail stores? So anything that takes that technology those teams in this master's. That's that's what my domain is. So I have staff here in Ohio in pleasanton California in Mission Bay which is in San Francisco. Okay now now let's talk. Let's talk about the beast that is retail because I learned a ton about the back end of retail that somebody going going into a gap or old navy getting their khakis would not sink of or or ordering them online. You never appreciate the amount of technology that goes into your dollar flipflops correct correct. Jim Harbaugh when he he leaves. He's GonNa be devastated if he can't get his Khakis done. This come from Walmart or they may. I don't I don't know but he's he's a khaki supporter of I've ever seen one human. You're the best person to describe the intricate details behind the scenes. Okay so go for it where things I learned that I had no idea like the picker and he. It's got a name. What's it's called the picker her right to picker? There's pickers packers hackers pickers. What's the one that spun around like dumped everything in it and then shouted out? It was just getting developed when I was so. There's word that are kind of like big claw machines and they sort through jozy basically while they use automated automotive arms that kind of pick through and sort the packages in the control from a on offsite. I'm trying to think they're not using artificial intelligence but basically they just kinda threw in they. Just take the bag and drop it off. It's like a giant claw machine the toy story Lou. Yeah Ready Koa actually. Yeah get some sorters trying to think of some other things that companies under called kinder- doors. That's what they're called credits Go through and they're just kind of think about the drop them off forming the gut shoots it. Looks like sometimes like a big shoots a miner's game to as packages roll down and then they just kind of slide up here as they need to go to different places. Different I- readers that scan bar codes knowing where things are throughout the entire process in warehouses are not small. So you are you guys still have actual physical pickers burgers. Yes there are still physical pickers in. All of the locations. Amazon has vickers even though they have a tremendous amount of combination of Tori. Okay so pickers where these things called gladiators yes so think about it. If you use the Walmart go get your groceries and they scan those things. I don't even I don't use click list but I do use my walmart. So you've got that little android thing click click. What they're used to scan the items ABS- Zebras Bite eaters? And they come in a variety of things they've got like rating scanners the whole android things and then like scanner guns runs and it just depends on what the person wants to use. What's available to that? Like blew me away and they could pick and multiple items. That were going to. The same house would go into the same cart but somehow or another get separated in the whole process lot of that has to do with our coding. And it's all in that scanning so you scan ago's Ganic Oh skin it goes and you've got this whole little menu the that sits on metal screen there that says I need this next this next this and then it goes and gets dumped on and sort it out and then depending on whether it's a single single or multi order is where it goes and gets packed. It's fascinating when you guys took me around. That warehouse I was. It's amazing. It all works and then it gets put into walls. I remembered all these terms. Poke balls it counties and then putting these bags even the bags are even the packing instructions in the dimensions of that is designed up ahead this this item best fit in this type of bag or box or something like that and then it knows on a conveyor conveyor belt an magically shows up at your doorstep because the bar codes no what. UPS truck to go to yes writes it writes the will shoot down to the current state to get onto the correct truck going out the door. Yeah it's amazing. I mean if people have never ever experienced I it's fascinating to me how it all works and how they you know not everything gets lost. Because that's would be. I would just lose everything. I nothing organized yet in all it does is like there's like a wand of magic that makes a habit now there's even a process for returning items absolutely so say you don't like your item. Can you can drop it in the mail with your Return Code. It gets said back to the facility into these big old dumpster and they start to scan it back in and drop it into inventory or whatever depending on the brand of what they choose to do with their with Tori the returned inventory. Yeah it's it's yes. It's incredible to see that process or to see that inventory comeback yet. The whole thing is it's just so fascinating so okay so all that is happening in Yuma I only saw the end of it. Yeah like I I like I would. Yeah the whole thing so fascinating to me and then I was. I'd always ask like how do you think they know where to go. Aylward role is is go Loretta. But there's a side of retail that people don't necessarily have in other industries trays in. That's the Pre Frost the frost the Post Frost. The pre freeze the freeze Tories at peak. Time so you felt that back this fulltime through black Friday and into into December when you don't want to make changes to years some which kind of gets to the opposite of air devops continuous integration continues deployment. But you shut down the stability because you want to be able to hit your customers demand so back to school time when retail till really Craig's up. Everybody shopping and then you've got obviously your Thanksgiving Black Friday. Would everybody's out spending the money and then you've got at another time that you get your heavy retards so you really have a short amount of time that you can actually release updates to systems throughout new projects correct. Yeah and there some. That are a little bit more lenient anthony another's and then other areas of the business focus on different there what I would call the finish line two different hearts of the year. They're trying to get things for different seasons. Okay all seasons spring season so they might have different deadlines or cutoff dates right. So their peak peak isn't necessarily but they're trying to get demand they're trying to get their system update so they can do forecasting for spring season policies accelere by planners okay and so why like throughout the whole process. You do the online and a and you have stores to that have a process that they go through. Yes cakes. Explain that because nobody knows that when they're getting their Khakis that's right. Nothing's more irritating than going in and not be able to you know. Get your side. Trust me nothing gets me. We're having two hundred. Years of size doubled zeroed right in my daughter's thrill. Yeah that's right that's right lower side of things it's the same sort of process they order. It goes through the picker and everything it gets shipped out right. Is that on the online site. Your exactness is there because if you order no a pair of size thirty to thirty two KHAKIS YOU WANNA parasites thirty to searched cabinets but a retail side if you could sum thirty to thirty four boxes something you get a little bit. More offense factor. And that's really where some of the retail and online the Mackenzie different but then there's a whole new thing buy online pickup in the store where they're trying where they're getting that out of the store's inventory but a pretty little bag and set it off to the side so it just keeps going and going so there's a whole rabbit hole that retail right now has what's going to be the next next big thing. I didn't think about that. Pick up at the store. I have never done that. Oh it's wonderful you don't want to get off your couch now. You WanNa see if they've got got something in law in the store that you want now you pick it you order it and then you're like all right two hours later it's ready for me or let me just park can have it come out to your car targets that now but then. How do you go from Shampoo and then spent two hundred and fifty dollars? That's right because that's what people that's how target get get you exactly. I mean I just wanted to head and shoulders now. I've got four pillows exit out of Control Right. That's the first thing I thought of. When I saw that thing I'm in from Oregon was like holding? You're GONNA kill me. You're killing your model here. Everybody goes Head and shoulders Out Throw pillows eight am in May or may not have gotten that shampoo. That's true because a lot of times people. Yeah getting goods seems to be quicker quicker quicker. Getting things turnaround quicker better faster. It is where society of Gogo the APP. I'm for that so and I loved grocery shop but I will tell you what will be the first one. That's goes to Walmart and says Click Click. Click Click Click On here yeah. I Hate Grocery shopping. So I'm all about it. I cannot stand any being didn't the Area just slow walking through those lanes and I ain't got time for that so I don't have patience. Yeah always something I've enjoyed doing. It was just like a me. Think of me my time type thing but now I'm like yeah if you want to carry out it uh-huh dog food when you put it in my trunk not on the eggs exactly okay. So so what timeframe are you in. Now we are in peak your peak so oh Not Real changes going on no not right now. So why has the infrastructure team grown just Just blowing it up in a lot of it's just gearing up for that separation work that we have on our plates or that is true that is true showed so then if you are going to focus on the upside. Do they have to build a whole new team to cover the gap side or for. Will you be still supporting a little bit of both a little bit about okay. Well you'RE GONNA have your hands fall. Yes yeah I there's no doubt about it is we're gearing up to to get obey to stand up on their around how everything kind of adults will be over the next few months but there's no doubt about it. We're going to be busy. Yeah it sounds sounds like you are so then does the model change at all the business model for either one of them. Does it change change at all. I'm sure it will because each of them will go down their own path here. They're kind of two different markets. I feel or I guess. I should say demographics because when I think of like Banana Republic I feel like I don't know uptight in old navy. I'm like a pair ripped jeans and a sweatshirt those are my kind of people is definitely the different demographics and different economies. So they will have to change. They'll be it was just. It's I think it's just inevitable so it'll be fun it's exciting. I'm looking forward to it. This is definitely going to be a new adventure for you. I can't wait. So have you Venedetto San Francisco. I was a couple months ago. Oh were you there was out Early September what were you doing. Just say they in high or on Halloween two thirds of my teams out there. So it's good for me to go and build that relationship with them. Oh this is perfect. So I know you're paying because I've been through this but You should describe what it's like to have people in India. Do you still have million. I don't have anybody that directly reports to me in India but I do work with a few teams on a regular basis so I get up at like a quarter to five every morning to do stand ups and meet with them so I wouldn't say that it's necessarily a pain. It's Early would it forces me to get going in than do things like go to the JEB hikes colleagues on the last couple of days where. I just can't do this. I can't adult today. Oh you can't adult today so going to the gym regularly. Still you go girl. ooh Yeah if you choose three or four days a week regularly. Richard Simmons would not know that no that's regular even for for him that would be Still death fantastic. So then you go right in afterwards. Yep Oh yeah you have kids that can just drag themselves to score absolutely you. Don't they don't need you anymore. In how I mean one can vote now. Oh Oh he'll be excited next year when the it's time to vote yes he convert his first first presidential election. Yeah that's going to be next year. That'll be exciting for him. So getting up dealing I don't WANNA say dealing that's having the opportunity to talk to your friends overseas. It's what three four there. What eleven hours hours ahead of us Eight and a half right now. Oh and then I think next week it goes to nine and a half. Oh okay where are they located Hyderabad Hyderabad India. And you've been there gets a half one time and it was an amazing experience you you can't walk out in front of traffic there. No I just close my eyes and just get in the car. We ended up somewhere. I'd have no idea that was north South East or west. They don't drink either like like for us. We go after work in. have happy hours in drink They don't necessarily do that. Yes they do they do yes. I'm going to the wrong prior to India. I didn't go to India. Abba where were you at Nydia. Now so I had somebody on my team. Who is like we don't in my state? We don't necessarily do that and I was like we are in the wrong state then I think depends on the on the different areas but yeah I mean I went to the hotel. They stated had a roof top bar it was. I had some been tastic beer. We went out in numerous times. Yeah it was and then I did not drink the entire time. It was just a disclaimer for anybody. Listening Yeah you work too. Yeah I may have screwed up a conversation with the senior vice president of clarity while I was there at the hotel bar fall. Ah your favorite tool ever clarity. A still using clarity you and cheer up. Yes we we do loosely. Use clarity in heavily. Used Jira confluence. Okay so if people were interested interested in joining the gap team. How did they do that or getting more information? So I would say connect to me feeling ten to can't depend on which area you wanNA join. Yeah you're looking from product. I say okay I just connected me. The leak did to go out to gap DOT COM GEF TECH DOT COM. I think is the is another website that you can learn more about. What's going on a gaps? Any League reaching out to you would be another good contact. Yeah I connected with the right people a true that true that we have a lot of vendors in the city that we staff through too. So that's another good point of entrance and and what do you guys Java Like what is your platform tool that you. You're not ruby on rails right not a lot. we're Java Mongo or cloud was looking for good networking working always looking for good Stra masters. That's a tough one network in that. That always seemed to have been a tough area. Scenario enamored scrum masters and you guys have product owners straight retail product knowledge. Yeah any knowledge college and if you have knowledge in retail retail degen because it definitely that in infrastructure sure people they got those two things they'll be laying a hot commodity for you now or just not afraid to take Jacob's I think it's anybody that's that's interested in learning working in something fast paced. Definitely what would you say would be somebody Snow for me. You gave me the opportunity because I was new to that technology world that I a head to be very are it. Didn't really have the background but listening and communicating and being very willing to learn. Because I had to do a lot of learning and those technical terms that I didn't I didn't know so so like hell firewalls work and networking systems in what l.. Work done in when a system. How systems were tracked diff- during Christmas? Hi You guys. Have those big board soon to. It's like a risk almost willing. Take the risks for advancing lake. I like the gap was I would go back to. I would come back to you any day John it it was just a very I don't know it was a great environment People friendly environment. It's a challenging environment. It's learning its fast pace. And it's it's not like anything I've ever worked at before. Yeah it's hard to describe because I I mean you got to eat. You knew immediately at least on what I could see from. The infrastructure side like you knew results immediately and the feedback was there and development and like I definitely got the background of how to continuously continuously improve. How I did stuff for the team you have to find set and be up into feedbacks in be in a growth mindset or yeah definitely I think sometimes people are really intimidated too like they think? Oh My god Ah warehouse that the gap that must be so intimidating stimulating in. It's not it's not an intimidating environment. It's very open spaces. Open people communicate. Hey you can rely on other people his silent or closed in in still. It's not I mean you're you're kind of separated from that but you have such a great Albertini to go out and physically The work that you're doing. Yeah you don't get that a lot of industries like you guys are right there you know like hundred feet you just walk out there in their sure Jimbo right there and you you know. Open toed shoes in the warehouse scenes. Got To keep your hair pulled back and you can't have not yeah you. You can't have a Hoodie right. Yeah this is basic safety. Yeah I remember my first week. Somebody's like wear a hoodie out to the was probably ally China. Scare the Shit Outta me. Don't wear that Hoodie out into the warehouse. They'll snatch you up and box you up and take you somewhere. I was like what. Yeah Oh al well man a bad location either. No because they're like so close so close. Yeah I feel like like that. Whole area is very very industrial over there? You Got Amazon now over their fellow group. DHL move out there yet. I thought I heard they were gonNA come. H was coming in that area expanding to that area. Maybe there's just I know there's there's a build a bear out there in when you drive by. You can find out that you can become a bear house where how bear house worker join rush. What's keeping me here? I can go join the bear house. You know what that's shit scary. 'cause you know those probably are haunted. Yeah no way no way I would have nightmare packing. Oh this little bear. Close the bear the bear looking at you dead because it didn't have any filming with saying like a lifeless bear would have been set. Nope don't think I could do it. You're not a very good worker. Not at all so is your husband still at nationwide. He is not oh he was at nationwide though rate. Okay as when I was when I worked with you he was at nationwide genet so he went hunting today. Yep We're in the same thing Project management. He was an egg whites Rookie last last year and took a job out at Huntington. He's quite happy. Oh well that's great. Yeah pace so where does is he doubted eastern man. Yeah okay spin out there now about six months maybe statement. What Plaza was he in at nationwide side one? Oh he was in the big building. Oh Yeah so what are your status. What am I doing light? I'm doing in life. I'm actually at nationwide. They needed a scrum master to build out a new line for their mobile product so they had one mobile team and it was split into chill so we each each took an a new line of for the mobile application. I've learned a lot about mobility and how mobile apps work the. AP is in all sorts of really interesting cool things like they're changing to a platform called flutter google flutter. Yeah and it's just a it's very very interesting and how it will. It will take time to market. It will like just make it so fast and it's so easy to update and modify how your mobile APP to look because it's definitely a user experience. Different than a webpage or her her. Yeah so yeah. It's really nice platform which are widening Sagan So we're the Binary Bee's Sousse and we have our advertiser all base and then Yeah we have the video also I should send it to you. It's hilarious one of the guys on my team. Put these pictures together did a video. It was hilarious us. But I'm gonNA tell I mean enterprise a big enterprise says definitely a different environments work in. It's a lot of politics going on Dan Yeah cool that's yeah let's yeah so and my Other team team. 'cause we work off a one product backlog is switch. Let's there's so we have two product owners owners one project manager but we share a backlog in we work together with all those fun tools of clarity in Jira and they actually are doing a switch to Jira so a Lotta people. That's new and they're getting rid of clarity. They're going to plan vio. I don't know if you've ever heard of plan B L I don't that's a new tool for me I'm GONNA have Ta. I've not heard of that. But that's okay. Yeah so now. They'RE GONNA dump clarity in plan view. We'll see what happens but the Jira one wasn't too bad they used. RTC and so sure was it was pretty. That transition wasn't horrible for to be such a large enterprise so switching. Yeah wasn't bad wasn't bad at all so and it's kind of fun being the expert so you got a heck of a a deer back background now. Yeah so. It's nice to be the expert so when people are stressed ambulance. Oh just go here. It's real easy. Just go here and find what you need. So yeah that's one more great thing. I learned out at the gap art that we'd be a expert. I know ray like look at you growing me proud you are you having a proud moment. You're beaming well. We need to get together and chatted up and catch up and gossip absolutely. 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67: Our Giro stage 19: Tales of the Tappe

The Cycling Podcast

1:23:51 hr | 5 months ago

67: Our Giro stage 19: Tales of the Tappe

"You are listening to this podcast at our did or the brought to you by. I work flexible. Loans bid for small businesses. Do Li adding Pinedo on session road. Sammy's in an relying in Pinerolo. Not where the bikes eight Richard. Different spelling line. We'll even I know I. We've we've been dependent Rollo. Well we've been there a few times we on the tour. The Jiro many times. We had the noise we nice meal. We stay close to pay at all year and we had a nice mailbox. Remember anything about it I am. I know we had a nice meal because I looked up in advance where we're going and we did eat there but I just can't remember thinking about it. Sorry chops not very good. Not very good for podcasting. That why she say. Where are we? Also when are we? We're traveling back in time. A little bit today. Aren't we lionel? I we are where nine hundred forty nine I mean before we were born quite considerably. Just even you. You're the oldest of the of the three of US Richard. You're the closest era nine hundred. Forty nine they the battle between Fausto COPPI and Gino Bartali or the the next chapter in an enduring series and well the famous stage the most famous stage Daniel. You're saying a stage. It was voted by Like as editor Della Sport to be the most important in the history of the nineteen forty nine states seventeen from Cuneo to Pinerolo two hundred and fifty four kilometers. They did that day over. They went over the M- five passes the Mouth Elena the Var Israel Most on Sestriere tour. The Front Girotti. Tally a mash up. Almost yes napalm and although I mean I chose Kunar Pinerolo of tribute to the stage on Agir but I knew I would not get away with sending you over that route while sending the right seven I was Inching closer to the fifty thousand meters of climbing mark for the whole. Jiro Too Far above that so I thought give you a nice easy day on there. Was anyone climate. And that was. What did we reprisal off the stage? Was It last year? The state facing at all one by chaser benedict t on it went over the montage gone. Yeah now that's all coming back to me. Actually I can on the. The mayor was coming back to me. Was that last year. No Yeah We. We recorded in a courtyard of the hotel that you guys were staying and we were. We were by flies or know flying a stinging things a stage that was also infamous for A bit of an altercation to -cations too big a word but I live with a spot. Mauka Halla offering market Halla grass. No Fan and Bahrain McLaren rider and I'll a young. Oh No it wasn't a young fan. It was an older finally charter snatch a water bottle of his mouth and If you want to rewatch that then cover your ears and look it up on Youtube. So what? We've got coming up today. Well we are looking at the nineteen forty-nine talion that stage in particular you know a lot people am made a Lotta fuss about Kris Rooms. Long Range attack a couple years ago but copy one hundred and ninety two kilometers from the end and rode alone to a twelve minute when we will look back a bit on that but more broadly than that. We're going to look at the Jira. Some of the the great writers who've covered the not least dino bootzack the novelist and journalist who covered that race and there's a collection of his reports from the race in our book that we've all been reading so we'll talk a bit about that but before we get onto that could have the tail the Tapa please. Lionel indeed radius stage nineteen as Daniel says. It didn't have the nerve to send us two hundred and fifty four kilometers. So it's just a one hundred and forty eight just the one climb and even all finish this stage on the wasn't even climb was this was the line of Bernie stays there was just a descent and then There's a small climb when she get Internet. Always now just a little. Little bump were the railway bridge at the end but Descending all the way down into Pinerolo thirty point three kilometers very much looking forward to getting on the road and doing that but just before we do cross over to the course Richard. Some news for us. On the socking cost which Richard you mentioned a couple of days ago in your report from the course that we'd been shortlisted as a finalist in the British podcast awards again the fourth year in a row. I think the award started in twenty seventeen and we've been in the final of sport category every year which is obviously very pleasing for us and if you would like to vote in the listeners award you can do to do so at the British podcast. Awards website check out and vote for us. We're up against some huge podcasts produced in Britain huge audiences that we need as much help as we possibly can. We need our whole Peleton of listeners. Take out there and vote for us. British podcast awards dot com slash. Vote just before we cross the chorus Lionel a passage from Zach Tae describing Saraskorpi. I don't know which of US this applies to I. I did recognize it The technician say that Sir while not lacking quality is the only cyclist in the world. Who doesn't know how to ride a bicycle? His Style and even we layman notice it is disconcerting some compare him to dock others to a giraffe still others to an accordion if he didn't sway his hips. Eat pedal stroke. They say he could do a lot better. But it seems as remedy remedy for that so stop pedalling a few minutes ago. I've got my breath back. It's a very warm day for indoor cycling. But I've completed stage. Nineteen of our Jiro as Danieli Free Branchini code they Lionel Bernie stage the complete opposite of the Chima Copy Prize which is awarded to the first right at the top of the highest climate. The this is a stage with the most descending and it was all downhill and flat although there was a nasty little sting in the tail at the end. I come to expect nothing else from Free Branchini by this stage of the race so Algeria's nearly complete my focus in on beating Richard in Sunday's final stage to Milan which is just sixteen kilometers. Long Pan. Flat is the time-trial course so it should really suit the Ching Galli of Wofford. If you've written every stage so far very very well done our written about two thirds of them and this past week. I've really noticed benefits when riding outdoors of even a couple of PB's on stronger. There's just two stages to go now whether you've written everyday or just a few or if you're even yet to try out Algeria we'd love as many of us possible to join us for Sunday's final stage. We'll be on the start line at ten o'clock in the morning. Uk Time so you've not tried our gt yet go to our GT CYCLING DOT COM to download the APPS and get started. We'll see that and we'll be finished in plenty of time for a mid morning. Cappuccino now before we go back to today's episode. 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And there's a lovely little video just titled Y Right and it's a business who ride for the Kendall Cycle Club just talking about why they right and simple as making them healthier happier and feeling like they get a bit of spice in the fresh air and on the open road which is when I of put behind them the stresses and strains of running their businesses and perhaps some fantastic ideas come to them Just on the breeze floating off from the Lake district. I mean must be quite an inspirational place to ride anyway but I certainly feel the benefit of going out for right. The stresses and strains of running the cycling podcasts business. Working with you to ever way you know. Four or five kilometer into arise must be absolutely. I was just thinking Fausto Coppi on his hundred and ninety two kilometer breakaway on stage. Seventeen if the nineteen forty nine year. Just imagine how many business ideas he could've come up with not time. I'm at the I remember. Sorry Daniel Richard made me do this. In the late summer of that year we lived in a house in the village that looked across the river and the plane to the mountains in the bed of the river. There were pebbles and boulders dry and white in the sun and the water was clear and swiftly moving and blue in the channels troops went by the house down the road and the dust they raise powder the leaves of the trees the trunks of the trees to were dusty and the leaves fell early that year and we saw the troops marching along the road and the dust rising in leaves stirred by the breeze falling and the soldiers marching and afterward the road bear and why excessively what. Great moment not was wasn't Daniel not the first time. Lucky Larry was lucky Larry. War Bass reads hemingway and they're from the same part of The Midwest and he was reading there from the owning to across the river and into the trees the previous night that was the the final stage in Verona last year the year of the previous evening. We'd stayed in Bassano del Grappa at the BNB. Hemingway and the the picture the Larry were by slash ernest. Hemingway was describing. There was the view from our window from our place wasn't because that's where hemingway had been had been there staying during the first World War. Yes rich and not only was he in. Barcelona I gotTA. He was quite well. He eat had a brush with the Jerry Tanya Some years earlier that we're going to find out bit about but he was. He was known to be passionate about cycling. Wasn't he told a fallen under the spell of six day racing and then I didn't know too much about this Until recently but he then discovered road cycling and was quite captivated by. And we're GONNA talk about some very famous authors famous for any you smooth in an English speaking warm but some very prestigious prominent writers and there is a common theme and It is quite curious to note. 'em How cycling seem to have the effect on so many of great literary figures who am had had seen a lot in that lives and had often been quite sort of cynical and world-weary In their writing about a range of subjects and they seem weak at the knees when they discovered professional cycling races. Like the jury. D'italia Brendan Gallagher. Wrote about Hemingway's infatuation with cycling in an edition of the song unsalted years ago it was a really nice piece. But yeah you're right. I think you know the sort of shiny tin foil quality of of cycling. Whether it's six day racing war an older Silk Jerseys or the Peleton rushing captures the I see it. Something that there's there's a rich seem to be exploited the as we'll discuss prime example of that. Napalm. What you describes the Shiny Tim for fighter One of those prominent rises a real golden age. I'm in the postwar years. We mentioned in our first podcast of this will all Jiro and one thousand forty. Six Zero lied not sheet up ever the next ten years there was some fantastic rights as who were dispatched as color writers By not having the main national newspapers but regional newspapers in Italy in nineteen forty seven. Alfonso Gatto who was a famous poet primarily In Italy he was asked by Luneta and which was a Communist newspaper on follow the Jira and he was absolutely smitten with what he saw. I'll let you into a secret but keep it to yourselves. I'll be the only correspondent here who doesn't know how to ride a bike shameful. You'll say I tell myself the same thing and have been for a while but just think Watson advantage. This is for newspaper. You'll be able to imagine what emotions only I will. Experience how marvel- before episodes and incidents that others among my colleagues won't even take seriously my ordinary amazement before those blessed boys who will be able to fly on two wheels like angels to her that a bit of One of our phone so Gatos does I dispatch while just as the year was about to leave was about to set off the fact that he he couldn't even ride a bike. And this is another. An aspect of a variety of these correspondence was lesser naievety in and how With a sense of wonder and how contagious is When you go back and read the accounts now but got saw was bought by end. You're completely in love with the JR to the extent that he didn't want to leave. I mean there was one incident. Ostra stays at fifty Laura in the Dolomites for the first time. He said I'm the whole three weeks. He saw a member of the Public. Who is a painter An amateur painter whose sort of back quiz turned to the to the year to the race and got sort of heckled him and started interrogating him. About why why on Earth? He wasn't watching. Something is wonderful as the Jira. Why was it was he taking? Cassie might have been and Quite a lively discussion in sued. But yeah a few days. Later the race did reach its final finishing line But as I said Alfonso Gatto did not want to leave for days. Now the JIRA has belonged to me. Seven slightly mind. I defend it on. Sunday are ephemeral. Family will disperse who say a quick goodbyes. And those of us who exchanged great theatrical greetings at every counter like passing ships in the will no longer saunter like cabin-boys who don't know what to do with their shore leave. We'll put away a blue and white uniforms in the cupboard. Gather dust are red. Berries are caucus insignia. Maybe never again in our lives where we have so many men so many women so many children lining our way. We know heads of state or government generals or cardinals. We want respectable fit but only ended fraud delights at being able to chase a dream. We're going to hear a few more things from that. Golden era in right thing about cycling and cycling itself and I don't know what his thought tradition died toll 'em that great literary tradition died and more recently. Daniel. I think it definitely has to a large extent. Rich mean we. We HAVE NOT POSSIBLE. Probably talk again today. About how television has Has Really sounded the death knell for lot of their. You know a lot of the magic of it was came from the fact that people were describing things that describing Italy for example that members of the public can never seen themselves. They'd never traveled to different parts of Italy And So that has gone but over the years the have been various individuals who have tried to uphold that tradition. There's been as her bloodline which Some would say ended with Johnny Murtagh who will also discuss lighter the journalist colleague of entered contemporaries who died recently. But there's also a young generation. I think I refer to them. As buccaneering millennials in a little twee are about a book they'd written recently but there's a group in Italy to could be dawn. Beat on been French word for water bottle Cycling Water bottle and that sort of literary collective he first came to my attention of three or four years ago when they brought book out and inside with Jiro and it was one hundred stories about one hundred. Jerry's Talia and it just released a new. A new book called Equa passer Beta so literally past water and these really focus is uses the sort of the water bottle. As sort of almost like a proust's madeleine or are prism through which to examine professional soccer in the history of professional cycling. Two of these rises called Leonardo Piccione and Filippo cults and I spoke to them recently about cycling literature. And why they're in love with both so guys your latest book Akwa Pasta you begin Talking about a very probably probably the most famous incident ever in professional citing involving a Don Russia a water bottle which is faster copy and botany. One we don't know who passing the bottle to the other wanting the tour France nine hundred fifty two but in in the Jira d'italia in one thousand nine hundred forty nine this an incident on the support which is almost What a counterpoint. Really to to to about nineteen fifty two emceeing on in the Alps in France because copy kind of betrays bottling and the banana in that in that sense in the instances the object that it that this kind of revolves around. But I wasn't aware and I became aware reading key sake. Upn On link okay. There's a link with Hemingway and the nine hundred and forty nine Julieta. Yet it was actually the same stage of the banana episodes so the eleven stage of that Jiro. When copy attack bacteria widely was eating a banana just after that having crossed the race because understanding way was in. Italy was staying in Venice that year that summer. And that's Day. He was going to fish with the friend a way they were going in the all they were passing Canada. I think and they were stopped. Their car was stopped by the police because d'italia was about us from there and so ns Amway and his friend. They just stopped and they waited for the race to pass and so they so Fausto Coppi and then by the passing by aiming was impressed but this moment because he loved a lot cycling in general especially the sixty six days racing in the on the track but this encounter with the with the road. Cycling was very important to him. He later recalled it as a memento of pure sports with these men. Doing this terrible effort for out West Out West up on demands and so that they was the second of June nineteen forty nine. It happened this wonderful and quick meeting between the legends of Italian cycling and at an assembly. Wait on the roads of d'italia the the intersection of literature and an cycling's obviously reading your books. It's obviously something that interests you guys in the nineteen fifty-nine nine when you've just been talking about is also well known in Italy because I've famous account was written of that by 'em Dino Bucci Party who is a famous Modern Italian novelist. And I'm just wondering. Have you guys read that? An Oval of literary figures that either covered the Jiro will had ended up having some kind of contact with professionals particularly in the middle. I think of the twentieth century. I mean who are the ones that that you have particularly enjoyed reading or you find most most interesting yes? There is a longer tradition in Italy but probably in other countries to of a great journalists and great teachers who were sent to the bike races and this is something peculiar in cycling because cycling has been created often Baiju by big June bigger. The first race says in France and in Belgium were created by journalists in Italy to of course and it were created to create stories and the stories were written on the join us and the Journal would send more would sell more copies so that how cycling was born more or less at least a professional cycling so there was this long tradition of big writer. Who went through the race to the races and in Italy? We had dinner booth. Thirty Brunelleschi in Montana. Tarini Alfonso got a lot of of very great writers. Were to the Jiro but not just to the hero but of course the journal was the main race in the pastor the June US center one or more journalists for the report of what was happening and one big writer for what we call equal Laura. The caller saw the description of what was Dame packed of the race on the society on the environment who are the race was happening for me. Personally one main read was vascular. Tarini who went to Jeremiah was an amazing writer and we had also recently. Great Writers who went to races is not something just traditional. WanNa all for sure was our bill off the Johnny Maura who just passed away. I will like just to mention another writer. I'm nobody out there that she was the first woman to follow the tie in nineteen sixty five. That was a crazy because there was lasco. Petrolini as a liberal said and she also writing for liberal bail. Sometimes she also add to hide to to hide the fact that she was a woman following the Jira. She wrote very beautiful reports from the raise. She was very interested in the people watching the race in the public in Italy that was affected by these events. Where would one point two pieces? I think they are now collected in in a collection of writings. Cold Lantis Khuda in Italian. I don't know if there is a translation in English but they are travel. Writings by title is length is cool and guys. I was GONNA get into later but since you mentioned him. Filipo. Let's talk a little bit about Johnny Moore. I think you guys you you go tonight a little bit didn't you yes. We met him a couple of times maybe three times we interviewed him and we asked him why. It was still following cycling. Grace's because I think last tour was the second to the France followed as a journalist and it just told us I I do it because it gave me so many emotions in the past. It's like one who gave the first kiss to a bridge to Bridge it'll colas and every now and then it just goes back there that bridge because it remember it's remembers that loves. He had that special moment and so it was still going to France because these emotion it got from it and because of the stories told us I work for eleven months in ear when I write about football but when I write about cycling one month that months July is just fun for me and so football is a job but cycling is fun. That's the way in some sense. A anchorage us to to to continue writing about this sports. It was. I think in our generation of the previous generation the link link we add between this historical writers following the zero and the present time when of course the context is different. You don't have any more. The Italy that boots Zadie or Were describing accounts Divided that they were trying. Jiro was trying to unify. Of course now things are different but with Jani. Moda we add a link elite sorority link. Some that's easily to president took by uniting a little and yesterday always speaking to another a while Research that you know well I'm Joan Foot. Who used to be? My one of my talent professes university and he was saying another key role that the Senate used to half was explaining Italy to the Italians. Yes definitely because also teaching Italian. The language because After the Second World War that was important also to speak the same language and to to teach the language to all the peninsula and yes I I agree. Definitely Italy's very different is a very diverse country. Historically we we used to have this small counties these small states and h Obam was competing with the others and they add different cultures different languages and it still is like back in some way and so you really don't know if you are from the south as I am. I come from Julia. You don't know really much about what happens in Valdosta or in nineteen. Oh you demand things. I live in completely slapped region. I the first time I saw the Dolomites was because of the Jiro. I never so month before in my life and so Jiro this. This is what does and Cycling General Ige's geography to Italians history and politics and social relations. That's what we are missing now. That's why people are waiting with so much loved the next next edition of jail. The unity of Italy was in eighteen. Sixty one and the first. Jiro was in ninety nine so it was less than fifty year. Italy was existing a unique state as unique. Ray just thinking about Johnny Murtagh Filipov I mean when he died. Two three weeks ago It sort of fell to me to on the podcast to try to tell a few stories about him my experiences with him and also tried to explain to a an English speaking audience who won't have read his pieces. What made his you know his writing special indifferent. Different probably didn't do a very good job of it. But what would you say defined his writing style? When I think of his writing is sort of think of talent what is probably better than the English word but I sort of shocked that he could deliver these very profound points in these fantastic way in the manner of someone who was just kind. Put up a chair next to you and and sort of a cigarette and and just started shooting the breeze. I think he had a great fantasy. I think his his main point in his literature was that he was really able to see and to invent things around and inside the race and that was something unique. Also about I mean I just think about For example nicknames he gave to riders two places and it was something he probably learned from his master it was Gianni Brera and other enormous journalists. We had he. He applied the fantasy to reality. That was his his main topic in my opinion and he had a really great point of view on not on the race but on war where the race was happening. For example I remember. He was obsessed with food and wine of course but he was able to write about food and wine of the place of the race talking about the race and his articles were about the race for sure but At the same time she was telling about what was happening in the war he was living in in that moment. Can I just add a funny thing about him? A funny episode. We are last time. We met in In two dozen nineteen zero. We were celebrating. Actually Johnny Breyer. I need the birth town and we ask Johnny Murtagh about our new project. We were doing cast during that. Jiro and I ask them Jenny. We are working on these new Ford Podcast what do you think about this? And his answer was first of all you make me the question again but in Italian and so yes. It was like this. It was very generous and also sometimes you had this kind of answers from him but with a lot of generosity and it's it we were lucky we have been lucky to maintain and to talk to him this two or three times. That was important for our guys moving onto your latest book. Acapa COSSUTTA I mean when I opened it and realized that actually that water and the be don as a kind of cultural icon that was essential. That was that was not just a sort of cryptic allusion to one thing in the book but it was the whole book kind of used. The Dawn. Almost as like Proust's Madeleine and as a sort of Keyhole to look into the world of cycling. I was quite surprised and I was skeptical. Dubious about how easy that would have been for you and how you could link it to sort of various different aspects of talking but very quickly. I realized that it really is fundamental and in in in lots of ways. Isn't there an just to? It's a bit about the And about how you start the book by explaining this well I think first of all we needed to write something about bitten. Finally because that is our name but we never wrote a book about it so we need to explain why we chose this objects which is mole in an unimportant but actually is fundamental because there are many reasons the most important. Is this connection between writers domestics and captains and between writers and funds on the road by the road so it's a double connection that it represents and also it is all vessel. It's like a bottle you you you live in the ocean with the message and so each done as they say in. French contains stories and Is a best seller for stories. The stories cycling whether the copy 'em examples is a very literal example of that but another one. I didn't know and a good example of of some of the stories you tell was Manuela borrow in the jury. D'italia wasn't at the core of this book may not a but an important part of this book is a collection of interviews. We did during the last zero every day. We went to war rider. Who who's role in the race is to carry bottles to his captain or to his teammates not to his captain and we did one per team during the deal for Astana. I interviewed Manuela borrow. He's a very interesting person because he's really. He has a lot of experience now in the in. This group is his an expert of the ballot on he he remember one baton one bottle collected. He comes from a very high cycling original. Were in every small village. There's a race. There's a small team and that was his culture so he started collecting. Iran's when he was a key to do going to raise us and he was at his last year in the under twenty three and he didn't have contract for for into the cycling so he was a bit desperate may before that and there was a race passing in front of his house and why rider from the Saxo Bank team through his baton and borrows mother collected it. She gave him to Manila. And some time. After that but I don't know exactly how much time the Saxo Bank team was the team who called Manuela and he went Darah. He was his first team in professional cycling. Saw His was like the Badawi of the destiny. Just going back to copy in about. I mean you talk about it in the book is it's kind of a myth within a myth and another myth inside of that it's like a Russian doll but What is your having thought about this more and having written about it s the gated a little bit how it came about what what your final conclusion about. Who passed the bustle to? Who DOES IT Matter? It doesn't really matter. Of course that is a symbol that picture that moment is just representing this relationship. Where actually it's difficult to say. Who which which person which character at which roll which so. That's the same picture and but we know that probably that was factory that gave the bottle the bidden to to copy the interesting thing is that that's picture barely likely is created. It's not from. It's not the actual moment of the passage. It happened the day before they recreated the scene for just to take a picture the day. After so that this is shocking. This is shocking. Leon I think might of heard it wants but completely forgotten men and there is another thing that we just discovered in the last days or hours that the actual place of the passage is not Galilea as we usually used to say but the Telegraph local. Do Telegraph just before getting and this was the result of an actual toddy by Krahn. Scala is a a website writing about montains cycling roads and eat these just studying picture of this bottle passage that there were too many too many trees in the picture to be galleria on Galleria. You don't have so many trees and using youtube and the Google Street view and a couple of other websites he was able to locate to jail. Localize that picture on the Telugu just at the end of the road before the game and so we just discovered Sundays at that famous picture which is hanging in a lot of Italian bars and clubs and places. It was not taken on the bay but on the this is a good example guys of You know we talked earlier about these. Great literary figures brushed up against professional cycling and the Jiro in and they they helped create this mythology around the Jiro in since within the Jira. Another shocking racist. But you know nowadays. We have so much information and this is a debate. The oil often half with the other guys on the podcast that Sometimes it's too much information and sometimes that works against the creation of these wonderful miss. The one of the reasons we sort of in love with the sport and last week when we saw the virtual tour of Flanders. And we you know. We see inside thirteen riders houses. And we see that washing machines and from my point of view. I don't WanNa see because again in an ideal world the stars of the sport would still be Hollywood stars. The way that copy was a Hollywood was like a Hollywood star because people only ever saw him in a few photographs over the course of a year. And and you know they. They build up an idea of who he was and what he represented And and they didn't so much reality. To sort of debunk or confound what they thought about him but what would you feel about that? Do you sometimes lament that. We have so much access we have so much information we can find out. The bottle was passed there and not on the I mean. What do you think about that? But in my in my idea I mean we started this project as a consequence of these huge amount of information. Because these this war were relieved. Where were we have information about everything? We can see the races from kilometer zero up to the end And the background and inside car cameras and their power data and all of that day already give to the people old the information they need about the race so you can start writing and other kinds of stories. Because people doesn't need more information they already have it in every minute. They can check on twitter on check on the livestream and everything. They know what's happening in the race in numbers but probably they don't know what's happening in the race in stories stories of the place where there is happen or in stories of the riders. These amount of information. Maybe it can reduce the magic of cycling but maybe can help to create another kind while. I don't want to say that our stories are magic but Another kind of fun tastic. Days it's complicated because I like to know that. That picture was taken in the Telegraph and not on the Galley Beer. I think it's important that we have. This means this Instruments and it's OK that we use them to to tell stories to add something to the stories we tell but of course if we we are writing about. This sport is because cycling. Your let us write about something else when you write about race. You just write about the places you are going through and the people that you see at by by the road and because cycling applications where life Basically it doesn't happen in a stadium enclosed plays and so there's is this Intersection between cycling in life. Which you can to write about in literary way would say and at the end you still have this man against the nature happening there which is a big thing. Of course you don't have the story conditions of copying battles time but you have the human condition and it's basically the same because the riders are still climbing the mountains and the month things are still for us. Humans the nature the power of nature and you are basically challenging. Why Riding a bike. And you can tell about it you. Can you can create literature about it because it's universal. That's that's the thing that cycling can give you. The universality of things went in certain conditions. Of course it must be special. It must be the the tour because that's when things become big and so universal they cycling five cast at our dinner. D'italia is supported by sciences sciences. Sport fueled by thank you very much to science and sport for their support of podcast. Very grateful to them and and get twenty five percent off all your science and Sport Products Sciences Sport Dot Com and the SIS see twenty-five sis. Ep Twenty Five. I don't believe it was a science and sport be on that was passed between Bartoli and copy all those years ago am. I don't think that was the case and but it was by Eighteenth Year Leonardo and feel pool there on various subjects. I love the idea of of the be on as as a symbol as a metaphor as well. They're Kinda funny objects beat on recycling because they are very disposable but also have this great value. I stood fronts. I ever went to see beat on came skating. I Don as race pass. And it was Bruno corneas be though a had his number on it and that for me at the time was very a treasured item and a thank. You can see that along the roadside when you're at racist that and these things are very disposable of huge value to people and I was interest here the story by Ernest Hemingway being at the forty nine Jiro and witnessing you know the aces copy and Bartoli in their palm looked up one of my Hemi. Bugsy here Hemi summer in Venice. He gone eye infection having been hit in the eye by an or he reckoned on one of the Gondolas in Venice. He was lucky to be able to see it just before. His is both closed up. When he went to jared you think he had one as big pink foam hands waving. Maybe it was his that who knows worrying after the publicity some some crap life. Throw now three Wolfe's phrase young nieces and nephews anyway anyway. We smashed the mistake modernity. We're not going to go over the whole kind of copy bodily story that their lives and their rivalry 'em has led to millions of words being published an unspoken and is still sort of hangs over at tyneside consum- extent uncertainly in forty nine. Their rivalry with was at its peak. Barkley was kind of on the way down but for a brief primer on the pair of them on copy and author what they meant to Italy and their rivalry divided Italy. Let's cross over to Slavia universally but as we call him. Gina Tattoo and faster copy the heroin where CDI granted we nurse whose rivalry day talion imagination during the fascist regime Second World War and into the newborn republic must media projected. Diamond AT DEFOE'S IW. As being on opposite sides over polarized nation but really the Qatari can conservative hero against copy the modern cyclist symbolizing the pitch for radical change in a country with Western Europe's largest communist party during the Cold War. Bali was subject to political pressure throughout his career in thousand nine thirty eight. Mussolini asked him to win the Tour de France. Instead of the Jira to put Italy on the world map. He did just that but refused. Celebrate with the fascist salute much to the dictators disappointment in never joined the partisan resistance during the war but it did secretly save the lives of hundreds of Jews. Men Wide In nineteen forty. Two copy broke the world hour record on the track only two because scripted into the Germanacos Italian invasion of Africa eventually returning to Italy. What can a driver for the British army officer? When Italy's Republic was established in Nineteen forty-six people were evenly split between Catholic and communist political movements. Gino Back Delis Throng Fade was used as a point of reference by the topic party which only narrowly gained power after the war but these did not estrange him from the left-wing because they tell you working class was itself deeply religious often called cocoon state or Catholic Communist related to Barclays prolitarian regions and image of his struggle on the bike. This why Easter the France victory in nineteen forty-eight. Help to unify Italy. Which wasn't the verge of civil war after the communist leader. Yati was shot and almost killed by God. Cyclist and the prolitarian representation of pain was probably closer to Italian masses than his rival foster copied but copy was a sporting revolutionary whether Ni- cycling and then Italian culture divorce three legally. Mary's lava the White Day in Mexico. Discount allowed the two copies Ohio vanguard although he never used the Spain to make a political spend Dmitri associated him with the securities of Italy's Communist opposition headlines portrayed bacteria and copy as antagonist in an epic Cold War baton but they realize where more complicated perhaps reflecting people's mixed feelings during uncertain times. Cycling was the great Italian obsession then so it was bound to get tango into symbolic of a great political debate in the end. National Pride in both of their sporting victories became the true sign of the Times ash ring in the boom years of Fellini. See tally thanks for that Slavia. So as she says copying bodily you know had so much significance. Important that beyond just cycling. We've all been reading the demobilised Zadie Collection of writing from the nineteen forty nine. Jiro and I think we've all been impressed by it. The a freshness in the right thing. He was a very highly acclaimed novelist journalist and here he was the jeered Italia and that you say Daniel Smitten by and an an also walk really struck me reading it was just how revered copying Bartley were. They were racing. I think we've got this idea that often writers or any athletes at the legend grows in retirement as the as the light fades on their achievements. But it seems that Copying Barclay were both larger than life kind of mythical figures almost even while they were still competing here is goods oxy on the pair of aces. Coffee and bodily is old all the other races who just dismounted from their sandals are restaurant for example or in the coffee shop are difficult to recognize so different like actress who have been removed their makeup or no longer accessing and rejoined the ranks of ordinary man. Like us not him. Even after the race he does not go back to being just any man. He remains a champion alien. Throw everything world and the strange thing is that we thought this myth phenomenon was destined exclusively for the naive crowds in the intimacy of his own circle. We believe he will be considered a superior class cyclist. He acts as a man like all the others. Isn't it the same? For great artists and powerful. Political figures seem soft their daily life. They come down from their pedestals. Respect becomes blurred with fresh name terms we can take the liberty of jokin instead in copies. Barclays case especially the latter the myth persists even here among those close to them not that they are considered geniuses but no one dares we consider everything they do in a special way even the team directors who may depend even the Patriarchs of the bicycle even journalists. His job almost always turns them into ruthless skeptic. We consider everything they do in a special way even the teams directors who may depend even the Patriarchs of the bicycle even the journalists whose job almost always turns into ruthless skeptics. Have a not uncommon respect to champions without realizing they deny it of course and if by chance they read these lines they will become they deny it of course and if Bhai Challenge they read these lines. They will be claimed to lock yet. This is true. It's interesting to read rich. And a note that even for someone on the race maintained and they retain that aura theme really a lot of these literary figures that were dispatched to the era and there is a sort of underlying frustration that they couldn't get under the skin or go further under the skin of the the race. The ride as an also even at times The geography of Italy. There's a kind of unease at the fact that they were just sort of speeding through these fantastic locations. In some cases these were rises he would travel writers and they thought they had this idea that we're going to be visiting these towns in Italy a very important point in Italian history in not long after the Second World War and and finding out what People Thong what people living and that show actually sort of flashes but certainly as far as them copy him badly concern. I mean what one thing that fascinates me about the well. Ninety four six tour as well and forty nine with that whole period is is where they were sort of situated in their careers. And you know we've talked to a few days ago about Pantani. One of the things that makes his appeal so enduring things is this idea of what might have been and these kind of ellipses in his career which were the injury. Israeli BE INJURIES. And then you know the personal problems in the addiction later and of course we copy. Mottley. You've got the war. The Second World War. I think it's always. It's always kind of assumed. And it's received wisdom that the the war affected copying bit a bigger chunk out of his career may be more than the bodily just because copy was so already he was already around before the war and seemed as WHO's coming in his prime. I see. I'm not sure that's the case. Well Bar Barkley. Just I mean. Copy was sort of twenty one to twenty six in the war years. Barkley was twenty. Five to thirty Jahn copied one one zero a very young nine thousand four hundred but I think both of them you know miss missed out but you could make the argument. The Barclay actually lost his his his peak years. Even that it's a long pause in Respective careers on the war and what they both got up to in the in the war in that even out to the sort of mythology these were guys who had essentially disappeared for for several years and You know the sense the the Talian public idolized and venerated them. But it it was only GonNa get to see them a few more times. I think sort of increased that sense of wonder even among people who are out the race and covering the race and and Thaw had dinner thought maybe imagined that he was going to get an insight a sort of an x ray view of copying lead. He actually found he wasn't getting. I think the one thing that struck me as I read it. I have to just keep reminding myself that these daily reports from the race and in Nineteen forty-nine just like now the race always moving on and so there is that sense of Kinda never quite pinning anything down and so perhaps I explained why there's you know they were just sort of almost hovering above aspect up to. He's he's account of Jiro and let's not pretend he was in probably wasn't in the. Peleton with you know. I don't know exactly how he would have been to the covering the rice following the race roundabout. There is a limit to how much she would have been saying and so he would just creating impressions of of the rice and And I'm probably get to sit down with either of them and and really get under their skin as a racial unfolding. The the there's a wonderful moment towards and went when I'm not going to contradict what you just said Lionel. Because you're right and copy in particular thing remains quite quite distant away bodily claims and into their car One morning before the time trial. Think it isn't is off to the off the Pinerolo stage. But they don't they. Don't get an awful. I just as you say an impression. But it's it's an amazingly vivid passage in the book. Because you do you feel as a reader. You're encountering this man yourself and bar copy both seem so distant. Don't they sometimes not distance just closes with our? You know beautifully lyrical description say of copy riding which I think we might hear from his book but I had a moment like that last year or a couple years ago when went siege on Bombay. Who writes about copy as well in his book and raised against in the fifties. And you're struck by the fact that the guy sitting opposite you and erased with copy and was caught by him in a time trial and and actually saw this. This person who only exists in these in these famous images in the in the flesh and in color you know so am i. It's funny I think that the distance I'm obviously goes a long way to creating or enhancing that sense of Mystique just on Zafy I mean the Said the F-. There's a freshness in the right thing a real sense of joy and we heard earlier. Janney mood am regarded covering cycling almost life. You Know Fun compared to his day job. There's a sense of that as well. I've been reading of his other books collection of short stories. Catastrophe and these are incredibly dark and dystopia and pessimistic and cynical. It's hard to square with the right there who seems to enjoy himself so much that make four hundred zero. There's a story in there called the epidemic and where people are infected by this infectious disease. Only if they disagree with the government which is interesting idea but they are incredibly dark stories. I can't read them at night. They the throat my sleep too much but very different to his and his work at the nine hundred forty nine look at copy is he claiming no. Just foraging onwards. If the road were as flats is a pool table from a distance you might say. He's for blissful stroll close up can see his face becoming more and more line is upper lip contracting like around continent. Trump copy is a low for a long moment up the portnoy summit. Then don't Araba and then up again to the possibly come along unknown against the plan. Gardena crossroads we follow him. By car. In his diabolical taking he proceeds commonly rising occasionally above the handlebars Hormone Asli. Moving his tapering. Legs SOLID THAT. The upper joins but slander the cavs. He does not turn Luke back he asks new advice from try gala. Who standing in the blue car full is a few meters behind eraser on a bicycle? Greed dogs for sure. You're not passionate fans yet. There is something starring this slender young man who writes mountains one after the other with nothing more be thing of his heart thornhill. He does not force the pace but matches the increasing speed with unneeded thrust some panels. He tenses on the curves relaxes again as the road. Straightens methodical always true to himself his physical pain hermetically sealed within himself. All was more alone though people in the fields. No motorcycle uproar nor headlong launch of cars in passing next Tim Barati Shows Bravo. Copy your five minutes ahead. He lifts his head moves his lips to say something. Not sign comes I yes bodily crossed the corduroy five and a half minutes after preceded by the assault. Well we mentioned the famous stage to Pinna where COPPI attacked one hundred. Ninety two comments go wrote the low and finished twelve minutes ahead of Barclay and really consigned Barclay History and away and he was the coming man copy and he was set to dominate. And here we have reached the lost torture. The GARDEN ANAHEIM. Another six hundred meters decline. Dismal Cracks Luma ominous as are the Wild Gorges from which wintry blas of air the same coffee slows down. A they're saying he has reached his limit. Finally we see him lift himself. From the side we'll pedal three or four times than recapture has former them his triumphant flight in the storm. Pauses all dreamers. Arrived the motorcyclist who left bodily shortwhile ago. Barkley has cut loose from the others and is pressing on. The loan is gained two minutes on the descent. They say he's only now beginning to work through force. If copy weakens the slightest bit the other one will be right on his heels before the final summit. Richie seem to me. The you know as we've already hinted out the theme the idea of the fear of a Gino Bartali impending declines that have hung over that nineteen fifty-nine writes in his. You know it was an interesting time in career especially a legend Bob. Tallahassee sort of teetered over the over the edge of the plateau has not always a period of of denial. And if you fast forward a few years obviously That caught up with copies. He would eventually reach that point. And in Nineteen fifty-five copy was still hanging on money as well still riding on another very eminent writer and novelist and this time it was a woman. Anna Maria artisan was sent to the to the giral. She was covering it with for the auto pay or newspaper. And that was that was an oddity. Certainly women didn't get many opportunities Suddenly about time to cover a major sporting events this journalists and she was very very distinguished writer indeed. I don't think it was easy for her. Talk to cover that right. She was sort of indiscriminate half of the time or she suddenly went to great lengths to welby discreet as possible of covered a face. And you know she was asked by other male journeys. Wha what how she was doing there Trying to cover the jittery tire but some of her writing on that nineteen fifty five. Geo and on copy certainly stood the test of time and finally one single in which there is love admiration. Tulsa fright announced his copies arrival. There was one that even for the layperson in seeing him. Advance effortless with a lightness violence. That seemed to cost nothing almost as he was falling and was exerting himself only absorbed some vague force his wheels. Don't how seem to spin higher and lighter than the others enchanted wheels which had kidnapped the sense of farmers and peasants. Yesterday's roadside while his upper body remains still relaxed almost the paints expression that we all know shifted this way that straining curiously smiling without smiling faces it was red and hollow and his eyes glistened as though with tears that were in. Fact of sweats a water that he had pulled over his head and was now dripping from his neck and brow like the beak of an exhausted bird of prey his nose pierced the and the cloud of white dust. He was perhaps exhausted but he flew is just that may was the most amazing the most captivating and also the first and last month of childhood. Because anyone sell from Jira becomes a charter for one month. They were ten stupendous days or a month or an eternity mountains and see Dustin Sky Beautiful Sky that was always blue like in the novels Bush's bursting with flowers on the deserted mountain stretching the length of Italy the cavalcade of vehicles the glory of the bicycles those waves from one car to another those fleeting glimpses before losing size of each other again then finding him and his gentle face is blue is under a tree to sunbaked rest stop and thinking the dot be close to him a game that night we had that Annamaria Ortega just on not lost beds a reference to some ravishing gentleman that she found under the undertray. I think her romantic partner boyfriend I think he was a journalist but he was. He's on the Giro's well in case you're wondering Whether it's not cough For some kind of tryst. It was all above board. Think listening to her right copy. And you know he wa- he wasn't declined by then but he still obviously fascinated writers much for his his physical appearance. I remember when we spoke to believe following him. Who's fallen angels regular biography of copy? Talk to buy 'em as being first male supermodel. He was seemed his body seemed to be designed for fashion for style. And I guess we talked in the first episode from our Jiro about how Italy was rebuilding and reinventing itself and becoming a center of fashion fast cars and so on and copy kind of he kind of fitted then without maybe contributed to that sense as well. Today I think rates dropping out UAE. Big Swathes of the population and sunny bottles didn't really trust him. and I think I mentioned enough to episode of this about the Larry. Nashi Todd I think character is an undervalued underestimated dimension to copy battling rivalry widely. Some people side with partly rather than copy copy was slightly a Loofah. Didn't really say much. Bodily was much more so gregarious but also At times pretty cantankerous personality but also there's a regional element to it as well not just in the sense that what if you were from closer to where copies from then you're more like to support not not just that but Copiers from Piedmont a napalm you ish perking up because you know. I've been calling you. The Prince of Savoy while Penn was part of the Old Kingdom of Savoy in and of course was the dominant power in what had become Italy and the old king of Savoy or the House of the Royal Family was banished when Italy became a republic but that region. It has strong French. Influence is geographically the closest to France. The food is a bit more like French. Food the accent and the dialects bit more like French whereas Tuscany where Bartoli's from Israeli that's the sort of the essence of Italy. The food is tall olive oil and tomatoes and everything that everyone associates with the cliches of Italy and Italian. Italian language was born in that region. It's the purest. Italian still thought was the purest Italian and I think that perhaps played a part as well. There was almost kind of xenophobia towards copy and some people felt that he was somehow slightly different slightly more Bain and slightly more bourgeois. I didn't realize until I read 'em a bit more Barkley Gregarious. He was an how much of a bone. Vivo he was he was he was late. He was drinking especially in his later years as a writer and mentioned thing I said he drank. I believe figure knows. Twenty eight ESPEC- day on the advice of his doctor. He was pretty much a chain smoker. He smoked the law. He believed that was also good for his heart and Gan start before races. He took eggs with them as race. Foods Roy eggs and Brooke them smashed them on his handlebars and let the let the white drain away and just eat. The Yolk had five or six of them per stage. Apparently he also believed an old fashioned remedies you traveled with a compass so that kid always align his bad north to south and and even move the furniture in every hotel room. He slept and m another. You'll you'll appreciate this. This one chops you know the in January nineteen fifty copying Barclay captained rival football teams arena in Milan copies team played a five three two formation with copy on the right wing and and for forensic manny the third grade champion and goal. Do you know what the final score was that day Lionel Absolutely no idea. Nil Nil nil. Coffey scored goals one so I think though Languid midfielder sorry going well. They're just going to say these head-to-head rivalries in in Sport and elsewhere that they they captured the imagination because of the different season. Those different to say as much about those individuals as they do about the site people choose. I mean when you think of Co Ivette or be onboard John McEnroe or process Anna or Muhammad Ali and praise or even blood or isis. You Know People. Choose Sides Leslie. They they choose side speaking to pack there. You go one for the kids. Said annual twenty five years ago it says as much about the side you pick that says as much about you as it does about those people so. I'm wondering the for the two of you. Are you copy bodily and this one? I think you can probably guess who I would be. Copy yes I think he'd be actually rich and I think I'd be copy poodle sir. Another thing they had in common both brothers who were professional cyclist who both died. Tragically young in bike related accidents. Which is really strange that they a lot in common and they apparently got on a lot better than the you know. People believe the bothell passing incident being a case in point. And I I you know we heard earlier how it's believed the. Botha was passed by Barclay to copy by day before the day before and it was setup yet but the interesting thing is that you know. He didn't claim credit. And of course the most famous story by Barclay no knives that during the war and something. He kept very quiet and for most of his life until just before he died was that he acted as a as a courier regularly writing one hundred miles from from his home to seek to collect forged papers for Jews who were obviously living in a very difficult times in Italy in the second world. War under the Mussolini's fascist regime and and with lots of Nazi soldiers in Italy during that period. So you know Barclay a real kind of hero and he didn't certainly didn't go public with emerged later on in his life. You get impression. Well I'm not yet at the same time. He was this larger than life convey colorful. Them are certainly very a gregarious character whereas copy could be apparently quite shy quite withdrawn unreserved. And yet you know. He's the glamorous figure isn't he he's the sort of the modern cyclists and. I want people call him. The first modern cyclist. Just another aside rich before we move on caught my eye in the book was. I'm Gino Bartali talking about why he thought he wasn't going quite fast as he as he used to go on the descent and the reason for that was the the famous infamous Plane Crash Astor involving the great terrain football team which the plane crash. It happened just a few days. I think before the jared started he linked this to to finish like more anxiety on the defense in that Jira because he had been a real demon December links back to our podcast of a couple of days ago team. We Cheetahs broadly. We yes because Brad Brad told me once that in early nine got Zedillo spot and Park. Looking for the results of girotti. Alya exactly the same as he did as I did. Sorry at the same time in Naples. Now I'm German so got Brad One. Everything in his career. Were record two Olympic medals and HE LOVES ISRAEL RECYCLING AT THE PINK Color Pink Jersey and also mind newspapers Tax Brett. You don't know dis but we are almost wins. So that's CHEETOS team complete. Isn't it from a writer roster point of view his? His team is assembled at least for the star of the Jira that had been a huge fight on the bus after mouse. Three stages thinking the two of them left. Well should we run standing on the on the on the platform wave? Think cried Motley crue. Yeah run through them please. Line it is a motley crue. And who's the team leader out with? This look Philippe Sato Elliott Viviana. David Miller in Nibley mark. Cavendish Bradley Weakens Oscar Pereiro and Albert Commodore is basically going for Italians Brits and Spaniard British Writers Than Italians. In there aren't there are no is it the same same three three three. Yep Yep three and three and then Spanish. Click sick sitting at the back of the bus muttering to each other wondering doing this team. This is maybe something we should all repeat for future grand tears each come up with a Dream Team know should we? Should we all do that? Maybe I mean night win some stage wouldn't I if they could get their get their ducks in a row? Cabinet should win a few sprint. Have a good chance. In the time trials. They could win every stage but but not win overall. I suspect it'd be a great. It'd be a great Jeremy. Great teams covers the journalist. Wouldn't it oh. Yeah it would be fantastic. So we're still waiting for the ASS and his manager. Is that correct that's correct. They're coming Kate. Lots to look forward to from One great Italian journalists Chitose Cornelio to another I think Daniel well yesterday Cham- we have over the past few weeks. We sadly we mourn the death of Gianni Mura the Lottie public writer. The probably the closest thing we were we had until few weeks ago to likes of thirty and Annemarie our and phone so got to Johnny Murtagh for many years about cycling. He was really more associated with the Frantz than the generally Talia and then we heard earlier from Leonardo pitcher on Philip accounts about why that was Johnny Morris simply love going to the Tour de France almost as well almost as a holiday. He considered pure leisure pure enjoyment. So that's what he continued to do. In spite of the fact that his main Gig his main job was to to cover professional football. Jenny was quite skeptical inquirer ambivalent about a lot of young Or about a lot of modern writers but one writer he really took to Was being changed on by. Nibley has been very generous in his tributes to Jenny. Motor since Johnny Morris died but I thought we should just hear a little bit of Johnny mood on on the belly. When won the Tour de France in two thousand and fourteen? They're all machines that tell us about heart raids about power output on climbs about anaerobic thresholds. There are no longer riders who smoke or drink red wine of the tool that will programmed wade monitored radio controlled or Geo located by computers. On the handlebars there. No machines thankfully which measured dignity consistency discipline capacity for sacrifice courage and imagination their name machines which can quantify the dreams of an adult or child. And it's a good thing there aunt because all of these things I've listed can only be measured by human beings if they want and human beings can get things wrong but they at least have one advantage over machines gutter caveats lappy damn a war to drop haulers Stone the Romans would have said I not by force but by falling often. Because that's how Nibley one gallet Qasim a bit at a time. Drop by drop some small some big in the same way that he'd grown at the tour finishing th then seventh third then first reaping a little more of what he had son every time well someone who would have gone very well with Johnny Murtagh m is path would across Johnny Mussa's at the Tour de France because he covered it for a fears. Richard Williams formerly chief sports at the Guardian. He's author of many Great Books. He's written about music and cinema and He's an all polymath and he is in that same category really an uneasy. Somebody we've all looked up to 'em as a writer. He wrote a few years ago. A chapter in the site clan by Charlie goal another writer liked. I COPY. Who has inspired m a lot of right thing L? Good writing over the years. Because his his feet says a writer were were were pretty extraordinary and he was a interesting carry. Through to the angel of the mountains. He won the JEETER. D'italia in nineteen fifty six and nineteen fifty nine and Richard followed his career from a distance in the nineteen fifties when he was growing up in nothing him and I was just curious to speak through. It should about how you followed the sport by then sort of literature. Iran's what magazines you were able to get your hands on what it was like two am. Follow a sport. You could only see in black and white. And I'd only read about the time when I was a kid in the in I suppose in the late nineteen fifties getting interested in slightly in motoracing all kinds of things. They only images were black and white still photographs in newspapers and magazines is that nothing was on television especially not cycling absolutely nothing so you never saw any film of an international bike race I wasn't in a cycling club was just buying cycling weekly so I saw the black and white photographs in that. Shali go grabbed my imagination. Somehow lots of very interesting riders around than most most people wanted to hero went for shock on conceal perfectly logically. He was the best of era and he was a sort of very attractive rider in the Sensiti. He looked great. He looked he looked like he was going. Fostering when he was standing still or still growth. I wasn't very attracted to him because he won everything. And if you follow somebody who wins? Everything's then you just part of a very large gang on the the hero really belong to you personally so I always look somebody who may be wasn't winning everything but could belong to me and Charlie go fishing. That criterion you know. He looked good on a bike. He was slender slight user. Only five foot eight He didn't wait very much. It was a crime which was sort of romantic dramatic. When he was he won was fantastic. Exploits liked the fifty six juror. Which was the first of his. Three grandchildren wins. He won a couple of early stages the coming into the stage. Twenty of twenty two is the last mountain stage is in the dolomites started in Maranhao finished at the top of Montauban Doni and it was two hundred and forty kilometers hundred fifty miles so long stage. He started off in twenty fourth place and he was twelve minutes behind the Pink Jersey and it was a filthy day wet very very very cold. He was writing very well in these horrible conditions by himself. He was never a team rider. Nothing that probably something to do with coming from Luxembourg weren't really very many people in today's national teams who many people he could team up with and he had a rather difficult temperament to it. Will Loneliness ten. You know you like his winnings Brian Robinson race to them I think in the fifty six and noticed that winter when Robinson wanted to stage Johnny Go. Is there any person from his team didn't congratulated? So don't think he was very generous person. I of liked the fact that when he attacked he was in he attacked find self was a solo and on this stage twenty nine nine hundred six. Jakova time back as the conditions got worse worse worse and when they got to the footed onto bandini still to people had been and it was getting colder and colder a veteran western freezing freezing Fioretti money who the navy was in the lead on the road the so Koga Halfway Up Montauban any he cut off went into a hut tried to get warm and as a story that Johnny goal is team manager lack of guerra. Who is from the thirties? He'd won the Jerome is a grace tiny narrow actually poured water IVA. Charlie go on the way to sort of unfreezing filter climb. He'd won the stage and I think he put twelve minutes between himself and the next arm. So Richard Williams on Charlie goal am and this has been our while looking back at the nineteen forty nine hundred tire copy and bodily and some of the great right thing by Scicluna by Jiro and what we coming up tomorrow. Lionel something far more recent history while we're rounding off out here with two days looking a recent editions of the chair. I want we tomorrow. We will look back to Die While I mean can we to in the same bracket as faster copies win in one thousand nine hundred thousand nine in Pineiro? I mean Chris firm was riding Pinerolo second and in terms of but it's interesting because from dead. Do Something Day of the people. Thought you know didn't happen anymore. On which Charlie goal and five hundred copy were famous for which was the long range solo attack? Exactly it was. It was a day where we were all left. Kind of a Gogo. What he's done and you've spoken to Christopher and others to kind of people. Everyone everyone Tom. The Moulana Simon. Yates Matt White. Chris Yulia Anson. Chris framed that I mentioned him. Pretty much all the protagonist from that day. So that's something to look forward to. That's coming tomorrow but that's all for tonight. Thank you very much well before we go and we heard Larry War Bass earlier reading hemingway a reminder that Larry Stars in our first film with cornered done and so we rode is out for friends of the podcast exclusively at the moment. For Friends of the PODCAST. If you sign up as a friend you'll be able to watch it up to June the tenth so he can still set up as a friend that the site could podcast dot com lots of audio episodes there. Well as the film you get an email with instructions about how to watch the film and if you have any problems accessing it please email contact Abbas sacred probably will be able to help you and thanks everybody who signed up as a friend of the false tests and that's all for now thank you very much Lionel thank you Richard. Thank you don thanks.

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Episode - 084 - Niagara Falls, on the rocks - development process

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Episode - 084 - Niagara Falls, on the rocks - development process

"<music> welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Our podcast in this episode we were talking about development process really focusing on the pros and cons of well really the basic the two waterfall and agile development. Let's give introduction of as panelists WANNA start off. Yeah sure Names Augusta C._N._N.. I'm software engineer at twitch. Now ooh congrats. Thank you. Thank thank you so now. You know all the streaming I guess so we should be live streaming video. We can be a friend and happy hour stream there. You Go Stacey London. I'm a senior engineer at Atlassian of Jim Young Senior software engineer at net flicks. Now I'm Ryan Burgess. I may suffer engineering manager at Netflix and each episode of the Front End Happy our podcast. We like to choose a keyword that if it's mentioned at all in the episode we will take a drink. What did we decide? Today's keyword is planning planning so if at any point in the episode we say planning we will all drink it started off. I think we need to really define waterfall and agile. Let's start by defining those two. I don't know if I can really define well. I'm curious on everyone's perspective on both of those. They're both software development processes are we can be clear about a good start. I've always thought of waterfall is pretty rigid and it literally looks like a waterfall all like when you map everything out it's taking all the requirements for feature insane need to do this then this and this this this amiss and it looks like waterfall. It's like real very like hand something over Vertu a different group process where you're like spend a huge amount of time writing requirements or stacks of requirements even like I I remember early days of doing software development getting like like one hundred page suffer requirements book. I remember those I don't hate it either. It was I mean yeah. It's interesting to look back on it to see like if there's pros and cons to that but yeah so then you get that and then they'd be like oh designers go make some like static mockups maybe that would go with it and then they would hand it to the engineers we would code and make the thing maybe then you'd hand it over to the Q._A.. Team and they would test it. Give a bunch of bugs fixed some stuff and then like maybe because it's a waterfall waterfall project is probably like a yearlong project some slog. That's terrible when you don't release anything to anybody until the end of that entire year to is it always was those long-term projects and you'd have no customer feedback that entire time and then you'd ship something and then it may be able to work or maybe would failed massively and then also you probably missed your date by like six months while you can't ship anything things so and then of course agile a little bit different. It's not quite opposite of it but I feel like agile is meant to be a little like when I think waterfalls very rigid obviously does a lot less rigid it. It's it's supposed to be a little more fluid. You don't all have to be working passing over the fence that we can all be working at the same time since somewhat. What else is Adra? Although it's faster like the development cycles much faster astor. I think we're all right with waterfall. Why most people use anymore because it's it's a relic of the seventies when his created and it's a relic of the days and I feel like a lot of listeners may not know but the days four web apps when you can push updates or instead of building a twitch as a webpage or web application? It's like a desktop application so you can't just like continuously push updates. You have one chance to get right to the user in can't be bugs and waterfalls foles reflection of that of these saying like a year long code or you know when they're building windows. They probably use Asha or waterfall because like you needed that rigidity whereas agile is like more of innovation more recently. I seriously like twenty thirty years yes but yeah it's like you break things series of steps to get constant feedback. You still have things off to other teams but it's much faster turnaround when you could actually be shipping at that time to is I think that's another point is waterfall typically. Was that longer term project for software development versus now. It's like well could we. Maybe don't always ship every sprint but you could like you. You kind of break up these things. Into how do we ship something in production. How do we build off of that feature? That's now in production and you kind of think about how you can interest on it very quickly. Yeah you can think of like adults who is like we talk about like suffered of life cycle or like an actual implementation but it's not really an implementation. It's like a philosophy through philosophical statements about what what you value and then like out of that we've gotten frameworks or implementations of it so like scrum came out of that to say like Oh if you're if you're not sure how to be agile. Here's a framework for you to act agile on here's like concrete steps and ceremonies and things that you have to do to like implement the spirit of being agile yet 'cause like scrum is literally a framework to do agile development. We're just kind of interesting. We'll what is agile we've taken in that and just define it a little bit more and you follow the scrum practice yeah. I don't know I'm not sure if this is true but I think I heard that agile kind of was born from like consulting companies where like they would work with clients who truthfully flea did not know what they wanted or they would change the requirements. A lot and you know. It's like waterfall. There's a lot upfront planning Geez. We needed that one whereas agile you know you constantly are showing. It's a very additive creative like here's what we have now. Here's what we have now and then at at those moments they can be like actually kinda wanted this or something. I don't know I that's just what I heard I mean I think that's interesting because I've worked in various agencies and consulting consulting agencies whatever you WANNA call it and I've worked in both I've had waterfall and I've also had very odd folic following it to a t. both worked for what we were trying to achieve. I think the one being more waterfall was we're delivering delivering a end product and it it was a longer term project and you weren't showing an iterative process. They just cared about giving the end product versus. The Agile methodology was a lot more in the sense that yeah we wanna see progress and we're we're going to demo this or we are going to launch a piece of this out of certain time. Maybe it was agencies that really push thought the <hes> the actual agile manifesto that was <hes> that came out which spurned all this was on individuals and interactions over process and tools working software over comprehensive documentation customer collaboration over contract negotiation responding to change over following a plan so it's pretty loose and it's very interesting like how scrummed got so specific about it and like much more specific than that and some of the stuff that scrummed does not even really mentioned in the manifesto but like came out of it which is kind of interesting that is interesting because when I think of the screamer following agile to the tea it's that scrum practice and it does actually feel very process heavy a lot. You do daily stand up you. Do you know you're sprint planning you. Your stories cheers ah good cash. It's interesting because it did almost tighten the process that much more were my mind agile. It should be very loose and fluid and less rigid. Were scrum does kind of make it feel rigid yeah. It's it's almost like I think some companies were when they did the transition from doing like waterfall stuff. They're like well waterfall. Has There's a prescription to it and we know how to do it well. We can't just follow these vague. You know <hes> <hes> sentiments like how do it or if like you have a lot of people like if you have some giant of forty forty engineers and like a huge team you know if I think a lot of people want something they like want some boundaries and descriptions of what it actually means. I think it's very interesting to for two to not have that means that you have people that like are just like naturally collaborative naturally want to get things out to customers and respond to feedback like you don't have anybody that's falling outside outside of that. That's just like how they work but then as soon as you maybe have some on that doesn't then it's like how you help them understand how to be that way and and maybe that's where scrummed came out of as well. I guess the failure of Agile is that there's no oh ended the so. There's like this needs to be done by this because that would break agile if you're saying these have hard deadlines. It's very loose which is finding silicon valley world where we have like V._C.. Money to burn but I feel like if you're like a bootstrapped company you you need stuff delivered by certain days. Insult people in Agile doesn't necessarily work in those type of scenarios. I kinda disagree though a little bit more in the sense I think when you put it towards a product company that yes that makes sense. Is that your little looser deadlines headlines because you're you're constantly iterating on your product. It's your product but when I think to guesses point of a consulting agency doing it they do have a deliverable and so they kind of mapped out to sprints in order to make the deadline line of ex- We gotta break up and how do we make acts and we we've agreed to the client that we're going to deliver on that. I think it goes with your point of on the product side. You're loose. You're just like we can slip a couple days or we can slip a couple of weeks not at the end of the world but I think in that agency world where you've agreed to decline. If you don't deliver on that that's they could fire you or you know not pay you. Maybe that's part of the agreement so I think it depends on how rigid you WanNa be so I guess agile could be very rigid. I think that's where the scrum part comes in. I think I think <hes> sprints are part of scrummed on Agile. I think you're right as I said that I was describing more of the scrum part which is agile but it's like scrum feels very rigid. It's very rigid seems ironic. Go we're agile but it also makes no sense individuals in and actions over process and tools is like the process I think like some so waterfall had the time estimating and deliverable delivering delivering something the Iron Triangle or the schedule scope and cost you've like locked in everything and you say I promise to deliver on this day with exactly the scope and exactly this cost and that was the stuff that failed like all these studies like massive software projects that like could never deliver on those things and then we're like oh well if we do let's say scrum and you do store like size base estimating or complexity base estimating and you create you have a team that has like a particular velocity based on their size based estimating so it's never on like dates or times in theory if you keep that team together and they stay together for a while like you can do <hes> <hes> <hes> like projection say like the cone of uncertainty is wide very like a year from now we have no idea of what we can deliver but you know that cone gets closer to like now you can say based Velocity. We can get this far through the backlog. So this many any features we can probably do by like mayor or something like that. <hes> and it's always a probably and you'll know more the closer you get but makes companies. I think in a lot of people very uncomfortable because I need to know a daytime need to know exactly when which is really hard as engineers. I don't think we've ever been perfect at estimating a direct timeline because there's things that come up things that you just didn't predict something changes or oh. This dependency didn't even think about that and it happens that I don't think you can ever predict every little detail and there's always going to be a trade off and you have to think about those things as you go were. I think that's where the agile park kind of like okay well. These are some of the trade offs that will happen whereas the waterfall mentality is no. No No. We had this plan on for years. What do you mean why? Why are you changing this on me? You told me you deliver on this exact deadline this day at this time and it's weird it doesn't. I don't think it quite works. It was like an assumption that like soffer is like building a repeatable who a widget Erlich a car or something like conman came out of Toyota and the idea of like you're the sembler line in years building a car over and over again. It's the same car optimized near like we're not really building the same thing over and over again you know because even if you were doing a website for client a and a website for climb be yeah. That's not the exact same. It's not just like replaced logo here and like hey. We're really good at this and it's never the case. There's always nuances that come into play. which is Kinda funny? 'cause yeah right repeating. The car is like the cars. The car is the car is the car. Maybe you even have three different versions of that single car but you know exactly which how long it takes for each one of those versions and you need thirty thousand cars. As you can easily figure that math out and deliver on that timeline but yeah actually for viewers who aren't familiar what is Kanban. I'm not even sure if I'm saying it right. I've heard people say can man can make sounds like the American way to say can ban. Can I've heard both and I don't actually know either. Just say wason come on. I guess I actually am not as like super deeply familiar with it. I've used at one company but other most places I've been. I've been Kinda scrum oriented but come come on the idea of like there's a lot of process like scrum and it is you just have a continuous feed of like feature work or things like say a backlog that is prioritized probably like there's somebody prioritizing -tising it and then <unk> just like pulling stuff in and just constantly working on it and when it's done you ship it us pull the next thing off and there's not like a sprint that ends where you say we have shipped a thing. It's more just like constant continuous poll deploy pull the play. That's my understanding of it. That was my understanding. That's a good way to put it. It's like noted by Japanese or visual card or something like that but yeah. It's like a subset of agile but it's noted for it's the it's visual so it's like you're moving stuff from one part of the board to another and that's what makes it Kanban. I guess the best example is you remember Silicon Valley. The show you mean the documentary yeah there's like a part were doing <hes> planning and they're moving like post it notes and one of the board and other that's gone yeah and each of them is taking a they. Call them stories to ask yeah exactly yeah I think that's U._B.. Expert like that's what Jira era tries to kind of reproduce not visually but you have like cards or tickets and you close them move into the next iteration. I think I think like Jira if you set it up that way yet jurists super configure first time ever saw it was in a scrum <hes> jal environment where I was like Whoa you can do that with Jira and it was so beautiful as that you can have arts and you move them to across the board which really funny is now. That lasts owns Trello Trello is very much like that sure but you ken set up your hair. You can say I want you. Start Your project offering and say I want combine style or you want scrums style. There's probably much many more templates than that but that's the idea and then yet you get your little bored and you can make as complicated as you want or keep it pretty pretty simple and just like to do in progress dot and like so I'm curious. I feel like I know the answer but I'm curious. What do each of you prefer a waterfall or agile environment for software development? I think it really depends ends on what the team wants. Agile only works if like it's a very collaborative thing but I've been through both and I definitely like really see the merits of Agile. I feel like there are a lot of things that you know. One thing that I remember is like an waterfall. You know we're gathering specs or like hey looks good and then we say oh. We didn't foresee this. We didn't think about this. Oh we'll add as a fast follow. You heard that term like you'll let has a fastball. We'll do it right after right after we ship and then I mean I feel like I hear on a daily basis exactly so it's like like I can't even recall how many fast follows like we've never gotten too because higher priority things come up as just like there are a lot of things yes. He can't foresee like it's just like it's really better to just iterative Lee develop like start small like identify like I feel scrummed provides like I really awesome framework because it breaks down like it kind of forces you to breakdown projects into sprints. See like what you can achieve and then as things go on you can be like hey this came up. Don't know what to do all right. Let's address it next brand and stuff so it's always like kind of like thinking and like as you run into problems. You're not pushing it down the white I like down the line just like all right. Let's figure out like when we need to figure that out and see how that affects like the train and stuff so I think that's like they're not the ideas like these spirit of addle is not being followed at that point because it's like responding to change change so companies are like yes we're totally agile and then their ship it. We'll never readjust. It never respond to that customers feedback. I also wonder those some of those times. Fast falls that you never get them like I think gus made a great point on that is that some higher priority came around. Maybe that's okay. Sometimes you've kind of put it aside or we'll we'll make this tradeoff for now and or it's a fast follow. There is is higher priority. That's maybe an okay thing is so that you don't get stuck in this mentality that you have to fix this piece or you have to add onto this feature. I think you should be prioritized in your work as a company is like what's the highest value and maybe it's not that right right now. It's a nice to have I would love to get to we only have so much time in the day. How do we get to everything focus on the highest value in the highest priority? That's a good point like I in software. We probably don't focus on the principle of good enough which we all embrace it because there are infinite bugs and you can be chasing the long tail of things forever but there's a point where you're yeah we can throw it on the board but full never did to it. It's just let's just good enough and that's a real thing I've ever worked led a company with either Waterfall Agile Stacey like you. I've definitely worked a couple of that said they were agile but I like most. These processes are unfamiliar. I'm learning you all right now because I've never actually done any of these things so by General. What's it's a better approach? Neither 'cause I've done fine. I've never had any of these things so that I'm obviously very bias. Both are almost like so extreme knock stream they are to each other quite extreme and like somewhere in the middle of the hybrid that makes sense like one that I've feel like has always been missing from the the more agile sort of editor. Thing is the design process some people take it to mean that it's so Issur tive and agile. We don't need to designers anytime to think at all they just you know work right beside you while you're building and like that's true to some extent but like you need to do some thinking sometimes really an extended period of time. Maybe do some usability studies or researcher that kind of stuff and the one thing that I always struggled with with scrum specifically it was like well how designers do that deep thinking and deep work like where does that fit into this model and they don't talk about it at all. That's not in its outside of it. It's outside of it you maybe do all that before and then outline all the details after the fact yeah which is kind of weird you would think you'd account for that yeah and then maybe it's outside of it and then people get really confused like no no one hour doing waterfall. You're doing all this upfront stuff than but it's like okay well you need that probably do like some of that but also maybe have the desire embedded in your team and working beside you till like refined and respond and adjust but like both they're necessary but are just very very. It's not defined very well. I think the entire industry struggles with us and like trying to figure out the good balance there yes. I think it's funny. I like gem. Maybe that's a good thing that you haven't really experienced either of these because I think Maya answer to this my thought on it is used what works best for you and your company. I find it hard to believe that either. One of them to a tea is the best thing for your company. You know I'm curious to each on Stacey Augusta's how each year companies he's the problem but like a net flicks. I often get asked this question in interviews of or you guys agile and I'm like yeah kind of but not really yeah like we're flexible everything and insert to describe. I the process that I don't even like to really call it. A process came up with the word iterative feel like shipping and building off a feature iterating. Were you know learning and building a better feature and and kind of progressing in on the product product but the same thing with the process that we're working on. It's very iterative it. Does it make sense for a Steph a standup daily stand up we stand up. Maybe a weekly meeting you know it depends on the project. It depends on who's involved and I think as a team you you kind of try different things and hated that work did not not work. Let's try some different and I think that to me is the best way to describe editor of and that's kind of how I described. The way that we work at net flicks is it is it's not changing the set process. It's we're going to figure it out as we go and what's best suited. Em We'll learn sometimes. We'll make mistakes that well that didn't work but I have found in other environments that I've worked at where it's very well you gotta follow this agile processes of the way we do. It may not always he's work and so I think that to me is how we've always done it Netflix. I'm curious Ferguson Stacy. How your team's work? I ask you a question yeah so in that how do you do you get people asking you. Then say like when is is this win. Is this feature going to be done is is that are you asked for dates. And how do you in that way of working. How do you provide that? It's not easy but I don't think it's always necessarily easy having a waterfall or agile to solve that either is that sometimes we worked pretty good at trying in <hes> aggressively say hey we're gonNA launch this in August fifteenth but things do change like in the sense that we found out there's dependency that needs to change that we didn't account for and we'll come. We'll maybe come across that next week and we'll say we'll bring that up to the team is like hey this. This is going to actually cost us an extra week or two and as a team we have the discussion. Should we cut some scope to still deliver on August fifteenth or should we just say hey. We need an extra two weeks and be realistic stick with our time and do that and as a team and when I say as a team it's not just engineers. It's like design in product managers and and you know whoever's involved in this project billy let's to have a discussion about it and be realistic. It's not hey too bad engineer. You gotta stay all night and weekend to finish this. It's like no no no. Let's be realistic and maybe there's something that we can cut out and make this a little bit easier and then build off it iterative on it or well. Let's ship September first instead because that will give you some extra time. How did that date come up with to begin with that? I think is kind of ask me that I avoided the answer on that one but no I mean it is hard but I think it's we try and as engineers look at what's required and what the SPEC is and what we've talked about doing gene and we try and set some timelines and say like okay well. These are the things that I need to do this. I need to interact with this team. They need to change this. It's going to take three days on them. It's GonNa take a month on me whatever and we try and come up with a realistic target forgetting deadline but also being aware that as a team were pretty aware that that might change we're GonNa try and strive for that but something may come up and not might be okay and be realistic and it's probably short to right. You're not like Oh. We're going to deliver this one year from now like you're not doing things that are so big we actually try and I feel like we go harder on being aggressive on the time line and then sometimes having to push a little bit further than we expected because yeah nobody wants to plan for like yeah we'll get to like it's like Oh yeah we can get a year because you know what if you say it will be a year. It will be a year. You could do it like in two months. It will probably take a year because you're like tons of time. I'M GONNA be on twitter on watching some streams on twitch. No it's like whatever you have the time in the world and so you'll fill the time so I feel like we try and be aggressive on the deadline or realistic and then it might change a little bit to usually what happens is the after design meats. It's and we all agree and everything <hes> engineer working on the project for a bit and then usually like a week or two in the P._M.. The project manager will say hey about when you think we can have the sun talked to engineer and Q._A.. Because that at that point they engineer is a good grasp of trust. Trust me like the arbitrarily build. Something can tell you how long I don't know that's a good point that is actually key nuts. I missed that part of it. Is that yeah we're not you have to have a deadline or you have to tell me time line up front. It's like give me give me a few weeks investigator theater or start and so but we can start to plan around that yeah. I guess like I can share my experiences. Both at evernote ever know has changed changed a lot since I've like at ever know like we actually got like agile coaches to come. I think we paid like a lot of money. We had a really awesome scrum master Monica. She's at apartment list now. As you kind of like pretty much change the entire process she went into our Jira changed all of our workflows so we're like very very like rigid wait until I scrub framework but I guess to address the question of deadlines because one thing that she kind of coached us about deadlines. Don't there's a lot of people think agile. There's no such thing as deadline. That's totally not true like you have to have headlines but usually what happens is like let's get a deadline. There's some event that needs to happen for example twitch twitch con. We might need stuff by twitch kind like we like. I think one thing that is a struggle for people moving to agile is there there is the sense of velocity you have like velocity for your team and it takes some sprints to kind of get an idea of what your velocity is so for us like at evernote. It's like if we got a deadline like hey the state we need this project done they would <hes> Hannukah or whoever would go back to the team we would create all the stories of what needs to get done for that project and then based on what we estimate so we went with soya points and she has an idea of what our current philosophy is. She can say okay. Here's the here all the stories here all the estimates. This is their average for law city per sprint. This is what they can get done. So it's kind of like already estimating like you know they estimated that. All this work is GonNa take them like six. Sixpence visits. Do enforce sprints so it's either we cut some scope. We had some resources. It's like that's when the discussion start happening and stuff. That's helpful to you. See that derisively ahead like how do we solve this. CUT SCOPE had people or yeah so it's like really like the brings up those conversations earlier like saying you know it's like we really have to decide. You're like and generally like ends up. Being one of the two like deadline gets extended or like <hes> or or cut. Some scope is because truthfully like adding resources doesn't really always work right. You have to think about like how much time it takes engineer on boarded if they've never seen the code base before like you can't just throw an engineer from another thirteen and mythical man month or whatever it's bad sometimes like you can't split up the code easily enough to share that I think that's always to me is my question. Even when I'm talking to an engineer on my team is like can we do that like does it make sense in this case. If there was another person how would you leverage them and sometimes it's. It's not that easy. It really isn't just throwing bodies at it doesn't mean that you can actually move faster just the the throwing more people at it thing like the when you once one thing someone had shown me one time was like you draw circle and you you draw like a little a dot for every person that's on the team and then you start drawing lines in between them 'cause is like indicate it indicates like communication education lines like how many people have to maybe talked to tell something to or keep them up to date on something and as you add more people those lines start to like go up. I don't know if it's exponential but it's it's significantly goes up to a point where like it. It becomes untenable because there's just too many people that you have to keep in the loop on what's happening and so that's part of I think like at communication complexity in coordination complexity and all of that. I feel like we almost sometime we need to do an episode just on the communication side engineer. I'm serious. I feel like as you grow as an engineer that is so important communication is huge. It will make things a lot easier or actually could really hurt you if it's not good communication education so I think I've seen as as a thinking of an engineer growing into like senior or principal staff. It's communication is a big part of it so question for all three of you who worked in these sort of environments to to me. It seems like these processes are like predicated on one engineer one thing but like in my ever all my experience that's never the case. Today I generally have one or two major project juggling and then like ten or twelve minor things and then there's like other insists of can get through my day to day of things that I did but they're all over the place and it would never fly five like Jimmy deliver on this project by this time but I'd be like okay but there's an outage here and I'm going to fix that and you fix I because I've been there long enough to have also experience. So how does that work environments like that. It's such as a really good question 'cause again like the Agile Manifestos scrum like none of them talk about that either. There's nothing that talks about that. We'll we have to do support court. We have to like respond to like problems. There are things that are not only you building features all the time perfect world like no no external things and so the <hes> places I've been at have come up with multiple ways to China address that <hes> <hes> things like Oh. We have a support rotation so <hes> one one engineer per sprint their entire sprint is not working working on the feature and all they do is do support work. They like address bugs that are coming in the one that gets <hes> if someone wants to talk to the team about something or like <hes> I don't know ad hoc requests or whatever it only goes to that person so than everybody else can focus still the sprint they can like one hundred percent dedicate all their time to working on the feature and that person's like they call it disturbed which I think is Kinda funny word for it in slack. It's like like exclamation point disturbed in there's a rotation that set up in option near like to say like this is the person that gets alerted to that so then they're the only one bothered <hes> and so then it is distributed so rotates Woah so I I like that idea but like put digging a little deeper. It's like Stacey. You have expertise on this subject. I Dunno hash tables pick one. I'm I'm on support. There's a problem with the literally having today at work like the flow builders like running on memory on the hash tables awake over it. I won't give it to but so I'm like. I don't have expertise in this area. I'm really good at C._S._S.. So I'M GONNA GO STACEY AND WE'RE GONNA spend two days debugging this how does account for that because I'm like that can just keep going to pull an Augusta Srinivasan Ryan a couple ways like sometimes you have like two people on rotations that are specialized so maybe one person that's a front end specialists in one the back end specialist and then they are able to like between the two of them hopefully address everything but like yeah. I mean even that front in person. They're still like specialization within that specialization like like or even or even features like I think that was one that popped in my head is there's people on on our team. They know that feature really well and like go talk to that person they know it like inside and out and if they're on a sprint plan and now you've interrupted them for half the day let's half the day that has now taken away on the flip side hope maybe hopefully like having that rotation that person might not know it the first time but they'll get exposure to it and you start to spread the knowledge out across the team and build old that build that up so then there's like whole like a hate this term the bus factor person but like like a great woman on our team that said the winning the lottery. She always hated that too is like we would say the bus factor and she's like if they won the lottery and had so much money that they could just bounce sounds like okay. I kinda like that a little more positive side to address like kind of those questions about like so I'm taking my experiences says from evernote <hes> like not that I don't know how much does it. I actually don't know I'm still kind of new. They're very new. I'm pretty new hopefully one day I can speak to how they do everything but at least for twitch I honestly I think you touched like a really interesting. Point likes EXP- specialties. That is like a very interesting thing that I don't know how has handled so. I'm really glad Stacey was able to bring play put her perspective into that but when it comes to like like high priority bugs like interrupts like the flow of like hey like you have this feature that you're working on and then like high priority bugs come in like something broken the last release. Had you prioritize that police at every note. I don't know how everyone does it. What we did is like every standup who would like look through the hype like the bugs then triage like on the spot like Yo? This is like a bug. That's really bad we need to patch or we need to release or Menia fix this as so we would like immediately story pointed there and we would get a sense of like okay like how much work orcas list and then like no. It's like we would talk to like the PM's there. Everybody's the standup so we can make a decision right there like can we take the time to fix this and push things out and you can let in you know there's like ramifications right like something really bad broke <hes> and like a push some things out so <hes> the other point of like the specialty at least that ever know like we did try to like make it so that there was a lot of cross pollination of anybody to do any work granted like some people had more specialties but I think this goes into why people try to use story points instead of like times or deadline or like how much time it takes a person to work because like a story point has nothing really tied to that ends up averaging out in your velocity city of like how much time takes like if I'm specialized in front end and stacy's specialized in back in like it might take me like I don't know like a really really long time like a week to do a back end work whereas say see my take her like a day but it's okay because it doesn't change them out. Story points that or the estimate of work there is like but ends up kind of averaging out is what I've been told Yeah Yeah I think the complex it's because it's the complexity yeah estimate and so in theory everyone's contributing that complexity estimate. It's hard for me to contribute to that estimate when it is like a super back in thing that I'm like not actually literally have no idea how to do like defer referred to and then add some time because I got to figure that out but but generally like maybe I'm not going to be you know pulling that pulling that thing into the sprint working out at somebody else well but but that is the idea like there's the overtime <music>. I'm averaging out like there's stuff will just some things might take longer one sprint but unless the next in its in theory kind of averages yeah it's almost like as your team inherits more responsibilities that are outside of their expertise. It's going to affect effect velocity and that ultimately going to communicate to everybody that like hey like yeah. It's GonNa take them some time to get used to like these new tasks that they're not familiar with but then over time you know maybe they'll get better and they can start like like working faster and then eventually like averages out and stuff. It's interesting 'cause hearing Stacey Augusta's talk. Most of my experience was in a agency or consulting agency all those working in agile file and scrum and doing that and so you didn't really deal with bugs because you were building your seriously I mean sorry you dealt with bugs that came up in the project the you were working in but you didn't have a production bug because it wasn't like I owned a product that was out there in living and breathing and customers using it was more that you were building product for another company and so you weren't required to have those fly ins and everything you were just on track to keep going and build the deliverable at the end so it's interesting to hear how each of you as dealt with that at your company's because I realized I'm like yeah in a product world where you own this product bold net flicks. I'll save for that. It's like yeah something might not work like logging doesn't work. Our customers can't log in yet. We're we're dropping everything into fix that right who cares about the latest feature that's going out. That's a super important thing that needs to happen or like if security review comes up and like our high priority security issues like we prioritize our account for right yes exactly and it's like you have to address those immediately and having that like sort of rotation where you have that <hes> all the people working on the feature and the sprints sprints or whatever and then you have that person that's like being dedicated to fixing bugs or responding to emergency stuff like a security incident comes in that person's GonNa start working on it and like dig into it <hes> it at least SD shields the team a little bit and let's try and focus. Maybe at some point like that thing is so detrimental like you need many people working on it at the same time and you decide that but for the most part like that has kind of been pretty good way to do it that is I like that so what I again no experience in this area what I'm getting from all you is these methodologies work. If you are a single focus team that controls the entire stack working the on one single thing okay so that's also a good point because there are other teams that involve like sometimes you're blocked on other teams and so like there are certain stories. You can't work on until like Sir dependency isn't done and so it's like you just can't you can't put that into the sprint yet like it's like we don't have enough. We can't act on this story right now like so it's like we we're GONNA move it to the sprint when that dependency is finished. What other work can we pick up till I fill up this spring? Yeah I think I mean you can have multiple teams. I think is kind of what you're getting too is that you have to be on the same team or I bore like I the agencies a good example where this work or smaller company where you're all moving together at the same velocity but I always like go back to my current experience like Netflix with micro architecture where their services. I don't own their services on services that they don't know what they're doing and so agile would necessarily work because has it works if the whole companies Baden and you all understand this contract you'll have each other but if even one team doesn't by then it just throws off the whole thing the whole house comes down absolutely I think we even if they're in that case. We'd all have to be falling that methodology at the dollar and to like Augusta's point as you might have a story that you can't work on this because team axe hasn't worked on it yet and they they have you have to make sure they have the story on their board and that they're prioritizing it. which could slow you down at that point too? I mean we still have that dependency. Yeah it's for you can add up waiting cycles where you're just like what do I do. I WANNA start this thing because like I don't worry there's tons of stories you could pay. I'll say in terms of this. It seems like I'm. I'm being more the antagonist towards these prospects. I don't like process but I see the upside would be defensive for engineers where she worked at a company where the C._E._O.'s like guess what I just sold this big contract and now you need to work on this and I was in the middle of finishing up this feature. I can see this defensive where you're like. No we have this hard process. You can't just come in and interrupting. Let the Engineers v not you're not context which is a lot benefit in terms of that to your point about just the like if you're yeah context wishing that's huge like this is protecting that but then the external dependency stuff is very fascinating 'cause like the micro services architecture introduces thing where like you were not on the same team and a lot of these processes assume you have every every single person necessary to deliver the entire feature directly on the team working together day to day next to each other so like a backend front end design Q._A.. Maybe a business analyst or a product product manager like everybody's there. You're just lockstep your tiny you move fast and everything's perfect planning hey we haven't seen in a while but the other things more planning like the external teamsters here's yet when you start having like platform teams so that's something like Atlassian where you know there's a lot of platform teams coming out that are producing things that they're not embedded on your team but you depend on them so we we had to integrate with like a example editor like a whizzy wig sorta editor thing and that was a totally different team building that out and we were dependent upon uh-huh Tillich have a thing ready but what was interesting about that as we ended up doing we didn't have enough people to curnow do the work necessary to like integrate and we embedded a person from that team on our team in our sprints sprints to because they're the most familiar with it. They built it. It's like we don't have the time to do all the integration work to pull this thing in but we know we need to do it. We embedded that person they would like Sakonnet or whatever you WANNA call it came in like worked on our team directly. Luckily with us and then they came to our stand up somewhere like I'm working on this and doing this and sort of like embedded that person and I've seen that a couple times where they do that where maybe we depend at the financial institution that used to work for we need to put it on a mainframe thing to be done in order for like batch processing thing like work but we're like we'll have that person like come in and like work on the team in the sprint like they're working on something that you require then what would happen is like we we knew he needed certain pieces of data <hes> from this external team mainframe team we would say like what should we agree with that contract should be and then we would stub it out the you I we knew it when be done in sprint say were working on it but we would stub out the response. A._P._I.'s is we would at least agree on the contract and so we can keep going in parallel like we knew that what they were building would give us that piece of data at that contract level and we could build are you I to it so that we were when we were done we could like flip are facade off and consume the real thing but still work lockstep to get the thing done just kind of interesting approach to it as well which is actually kinda similar like we'll do that with our back end teams as stub out the data and like to have those discussions upfront. You don't have to wait sir absolutely this extra then I can still it's like you have that conversation upfront and it's like okay cool. This is the contract that's going to happen between the U.. I in the back end all right. We're agreeing on that and we go off and we can build at different times or at the same time and then hopefully tied together. It's always perfect. There's always little nuances but you still able to get a lot faster because of this is pretty fascinating he this these are really good questions because actually yeah I do recall there've been times where like someone from another team did just come to our stand ups. They reported their progress on certain feature. It's interesting because I actually do agree <hes> so I'm still not fully familiar with twitch by also kind of experienced this twitches so large now <hes> that not everybody on our team on the video ad experienced team owns like subscriptions or chat or stuff like that and we have to work with them and it's interesting i. I don't think I've ever ran into that situation because I've only been there but it does sound kind of like a process failure if there if you have a project that's too at some time and you have a dependency on them and they have no time to like do it right if they don't have any time undo it. There's no way you can meet that deadline because they're our dependency so that's usually something like so. We have technical PM's at they can help hash it out or like you know work with their teams like hey what's on your roadmap. Who's what we need is pretty high priority and at some point you know there are some compromise that like okay yeah? They need this. We need so yeah but but I see what you mean yeah as summarizing before we get into picks is it's tough like I feel like there's you really have to find what works works best for you and your team in your comedy and and it takes a lot of work to find what's best and I think some of these things that we've mentioned it. It may work for you but it may not and I think to me is like maybe take some of the pieces and put them together. Make what's best for you. Don't necessarily be too rigid to like the process yeah like you said earlier it was like so much about communication and the people and when you are able to assess like how your team works and see how they're able able to communicate and work as a group you can adjust how that works to meet their capabilities and you don't have to have a certain process if people are meeting a certain like capability standard add it processes not always necessary all right well at the end of each episode. We like to share picks of things that we've found interesting would love to share with our listeners. Oh let's go around the table Augustus. What do you have for your picks this week? Sure yeah so yeah I mean I started working at twitch. It's been my it's like my second week. While you watch streams or oh yeah totally just watch streams all day. Actually my parents link all ideas play video games like that. That's what they told all my brother. They're like great job but that's not I do actually do work but yeah you know. Part of leaving job is interviewing and interviewing is really really tough thing <hes> so so one of the things I wanted to Kinda give a pick for was a company called carrot. I did it interview one of the many companies I've interviewed at they use a company or service called carrot and basically it's a company that they have their own interview engineers and they will interview on the company's behalf for the phone screen and honestly. I think it's a really interesting you know because as an engineer I've had to do interviews. I've had interview people well. Maybe I'm stressed. Maybe like I have some due date. I have to go interview this person sometimes it can affect like my like reasoning of what is good so I think it's really interesting to have another service the handle his for you personally like when I interviewed for a company that used carrot. I had a really good experience and it's really cool. I the company can customize interview however they want so it wasn't just technical questions. They asked me like okay. Here's like tears up production issue like how would you debugged it. It's like there's a good mix and and they actually said like here four categories pick to that you feel you could answer the best and they had the questions prepared for each category so it's very very interesting and the cool thing is they send the recording of the whole video to the manager so there's no B._S.. It's not like someone's like I didn't like him. I'm just GonNa like give them. A bad review or something like the manager is ultimately the one that gets to decide that you know what that interview was pretty good and stuff so I wanna give him Bama shadow the it's really interesting and then my second pick is <hes> Foodie land night market. It's <hes> I went to this night market a few weeks ago for birthday <hes> there's a lot of good food trucks <hes> really really awesome food <hes> but yeah check amores that I it's in Berkeley ugly and I think they have three per year of so. I think there's going to be another one in August or something and we shall go nice. Let's see tonight. I've got two picks sort of three. The first one is Thom Yorke just really so new album called anima very very good as per usual is he's like a quite quite an amazing artists in then on top of that there was a short musical film that was directed acted by Paul Thomas Anderson and that was released as well and that's a netflixing you can watch that <hes> it's just visually sonically very stunning very captivating as pretty blown away by it was amazing so that's the second pick. The third is Holly Herndon. She has a new song called frontier. She's a electronic sort of avant garde pop artist. I guess her music very <hes> genre bending but the particular song is electronic pop choir compose of both human voices so she uses artificial intelligence in her stuff. I think it's incredibly like on the edge of like electronic music production and then it's combined with like since and sacred harp and it's a very like listen to with your headphones on it it is amazing and beautiful and overwhelming and you're like there's an here but it sounds like humans. Oh what am I listening into. I'm intrigued. I'm so excited. Gem whatev plus one anima it is phenomenal. I'M NOT GONNA lie like part of it like it brought tears. Is You know whether dancing like it's just it's just beautiful I it's it's like incredible especially. If you love Thom Yorke and it's more like selling my wife I was like how does he keep doing it for like twenty thirty years he keeps evolving and it's still good anyway. Sorry there's enough on that my first pick for valley silicon the part of the show pick things that are just outrageous and they only because people have too much money. Somebody sent me a link on twitter. I don't know if it's one of you one of our listeners. Probably it's for toaster is a another toaster. It's my second toaster pick. I four toast toaster for bread toaster. Is it better toast before it's worth. I think yeah but yeah a lot don't don't there. It is reasonable the reasonable price of three hundred twenty dollars the art of burning bread which is what you do here controlled burning bread. It looks Nice so you know minimalist it. Does it Alex all right. I don't know what you call that I wouldn't call it a retro but I wouldn't call Retro Say retrofit Fifties Style Yeah we will link to it in the show no sale for three twenty. Yes Oh yeah that's on sale. So maybe a little out of bread. I've met hosting years so I don't know what what's going on in the Internet but whatever my second pick is dark season too dark is a show on Netflix German. I don't WanNa give a way of first season is so good et. Nominally ill for not like one of the Best Cinematography likes of any NETFLIX. Show has not been a strong but the story is better. I haven't watched season two. It's worth watching you probably want to read an article in like the recapped confusing but it's probably one of the best athletes and it's in German too and watching subs not dobbs man all day last dubs. I'll be as an that speaks okay anyway netflix. It's like very very heated. Battle between the subs and dubs crowded and we will feel very strongly on my last pick is pock its at popped out to have it is a a better you I if you're touch bar near Mac book so <hes> it's way of customization. It's much cleaner. It's much easier to us. Check it out. It's free it's open source so I mean anything can be better. Yeah really don't that's another episode. Next episode is us on macbook Pros and touch all right so I have a netflix original pick as well latest season came out but Lokossa deep Appel. I kinda don't like calling it. The American name but the American name is money highest the shows amazing so good. I've I've watched the first two parts. The third season has just come out so I'm really excited to jump into that and then my second pick is a book Chamo- finished but I'm almost done is a book that how to talk so your kids will listen than and listened so kids will talk. It's an interesting concept about really how to talk to a child but the funny thing is and the reason I'm bringing it to this podcast as well one if your parent definitely read it but also it kind of goes to the point where this is how you should have communication with others is talking and listening. There's a lot of concepts in it that talking to a toddler of my Ghia this would work for an adult as well so I think it's a really good book but definitely if you have kids I highly recommend it. Thank you for listening to today's episode. Make sure to subscribe to Front End Happier podcast on whatever you like to subscribe to podcasts on whether it'd be spotify Apple Google.

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318: Error Messages Are Your Friends with Gina Verrastro

Ruby on Rails Podcast

21:20 min | 5 months ago

318: Error Messages Are Your Friends with Gina Verrastro

"You're listening to the ruby on rails. Podcast on the five by five network. You're listening that three eighteen and on your host Britney Martin Sheen of Astro is of Bruce Writer and proud graduate of learn academy. She is a tech support engineer at SOCI- who specialize in taking the most optimistic view of every bug hunting situation. She blogs about code things that code copy coffee DOT COM. Welcome to the show Gina. Thank you so much. I am so excited to be here. Thank you very much for having me. And Hello everyone listening from Sunny San Diego. We are thrilled to have you so gina. What is your developer origin story? My first love has always been writing so I knew I wanted to start a blog where I could just share entertaining encouraging happy content. While doing what I enjoy and I knew I wanted a lot of control over how about blog was presented and to be able to make any changes I wanted at will without having to bother someone else to do it and so when I started I had no idea what a rabbit hole coating would turn out to be or how much I would come to love development for itself as opposed to just being a vehicle for my blog so up to that point. I'd really fallen into careers that I wasn't super passionate about but after joining mice indigo chapter of girls tack and coating more and learning about coding boot camps in general and then learn academy in particular. I realized I had an opportunity to turn my new hobby into a viable career. So that's what I did. That is absolutely fantastic. What is your specific experience with Ruby on rails? It was the primary language that was taught at my coding bootcamp and part of Learning Academies Program is a one month internship which is really cool so I used rails in my internship at zeal and I use. Php for work now. Because that's the stack that my company uses but I still enjoy playing around with Ruby and personal projects. What you feel the the core difference in coding in PHP versus Ruby. Do you feel that? They shared some common attributes whenever you got introduced to the PHP code base. Yeah definitely of course. Like most coding languages they share aspects like loop sin. The logic system is pretty similar. I think the biggest difference for me personally was because I learned ruby on rails together pretty quickly. We generated an entire APP and then learned the pieces when they were already presented for us whereas while learning PHP I've been writing each file from scratch whereas rails will generate for you with commands in the terminal. So actually doing the two languages and doing those. Two different tactic side-by-side really taught me a lot about both languages working on them in tandem. See that's really useful for me to hear because my partner actually rates. Php for a living. And I have strictly told him that he is not allowed to learn Ruby. Which is me just being silly. Because I know that he would genuinely find a lot of joy ruby and likely already knows it but It's good to know that there is a good transition between the two absolutely. So what does the day in the life or USOC? So typically we focus on bug tickets. I that's the highest priority in Jira and we mob all day. So there's three of us on my team which is Tech Support Team and we'll start with bug tickets and work our way through those if we get done with those. Were currently working on a data generator project for one of the test accounts. And that's been a really cool. Experience definitely highlighted a lot of differences and similarities between page p. and rails for me really there's also a lot of interaction with other departments of course since we're tech support so communication is a big part of the job as well breaking down out what's going on with bugs for folks who have to then go talk to customers now. Are you considered tier one support? You're getting customer feedback directly about bugs. Are you getting a bugs from internal users? How does that all work? So we're actually tier three on my team and so users will report to tier one. It then gets escalated to tier two. Which is a little more technical group but still customer facing and then my team is in customer facing unless things are really Unless we really need to be able to explain something to you the customer and bridge that knowledge gap for them? See you're at the point? We're getting those really nitty gritty code issues. Instead of the user accidentally turning their computer off right I mean we get some user error but it's typically understandable user. I would say like if I was just a user. I could see myself making those mistakes. I have mentioned this on the podcasts. Before but my first technical job as a developer was in tech support for a hosting company and I would live chat with Rails users who were hosting their applications on our platform platform called ninefold and I learned so much just from reading all of those errors and finding patterns and I became so opinionated about how users would turn in feedback to me. We definitely do have ways that we prefer the bus tickets to be written and certain information. It is helpful to be included. Well let's talk about your session that you were going to do a rails comp. This was your first conference a talk and unfortunately rails comp was converted into virtual only but as a first time conference speaker. I just want to give you a lot of Kudos for taking on technical topic as your first conference talk. I'm GonNa go ahead and read the blurb so the title of it is called air messages. Are Your friends clear? Constructive feedback is one of the most useful gifts. We can receive we tirelessly in situations where it's denied to us that job interview. We thought we as the dreamy date that go sit us but when presented in the form of an error meth many developers recoil. They prefer to bang their heads against the same wall over and over again. Then read the errors. This talks for the resistance. New Developers field towards engaging with air messages provide tips for overcoming it and cover what to do when confronted by some common ruby errors. I find this topic so fascinating and so I was excited to have you on the show to discuss it thank you. I really appreciate this opportunity to talk about this so I'd love to start off by asking you. What makes new developers reluctant to read Air Messages? I think there are a few factors play. First of all air. Messages can look pretty complicated when you first start to see them. There's words there symbols sin taxes unfamiliar. And if you're just looking at this big block of strange it can be pretty daunting to tie van and even find a point where you could anchor yourself. Feels more comfortable to just turn back to your code which is at least somewhat familiar and try to figure out what went wrong there. I also think that Thing about error messages is that they indicate you have a problem that you may not know how to solve so especially when you're first starting out maybe the issue is as simple as you forgot end to close your function. But maybe you're already reaching in terms of what you're trying to build with your current level of knowledge and when it comes to an error message you're looking at a potential rabbit hole. It's kind of in my mind like being afraid to go to the doctor for something minor because you're afraid that they'll tell you it's worse than you thought If you don't read the message at all you avoid being confronted by a potentially bigger problem than you feel equipped to solve and finally I think that when you're learning in a boot camp setting there's typically time pressure on what you're learning already so you're cramming a ton of information into your brain in a very short period of time. An air messages are just piling onto that. They're not often in the curriculum as their own lesson so rather than having that mental preparedness of. This is what I'm looking at next. They get shoehorned in they. Come up when you're already frazzled. Or frustrated and so it's tough to get into that head space where you can patiently tackle something. Unfamiliar that makes a lot of sense. I WanNa make two points here first of all. I have many friends that are driving around in cars with check on because they are so terrified. What's wrong with likely? Just one of their tires is low. Right yes secondly I completely agree about boot camps not teaching about air messages. And I feel that as I've matured as a developer and I'm working on a new feature that seeing error messages is just part of the process. It's very rare for me that I build a feature and it just flawlessly works on the first go yes absolutely. I've heard the same thing a lot of people actually and I think a lot of new developers almost feel like it's a personal failure when they get an error message and it like it's telling them that they aren't good enough yet but you know no matter. How many years of experience you have. You're still going to get airs from time to time for sure and we know listeners. That in Ruby on rails. The base error page is very read Looks threatening so maybe that could be a fun personal project to make very pretty error pages though I do enjoy some gems out there so gina. What kind of tips do you have for overcoming air messages? So the first step I think is to change the way that you view them. It's not a negative reflection on your code. It's not that you're a bad person or bad developer. It's a gift from the Ruby. God's when you get an error message working in Qa. I can attest to the fact that it's better when something is broken. And you get an error message than when something is broken and you get nothing at least when you have an error message. You have some information and a starting point to go for the solve next. I would suggest getting familiar with the different components of Ruby or messages. So they'll all have a location so you'll want to look for the word from and to the right of that word you'll see a file name and align number so that's immediately where you WanNa go in your code editor because the problem is somewhere around there. They'll they'll also have a type. It'll usually be one word. Pascal case with the word error as the second piece followed by a colon. So you might see name ere syntax error etc. So that's going to narrow down. What kind of air you're going to be searching for and Ruby is nice enough to also usually give you a description so the words that come after the colon in that type tell you a little bit more about the specific era of the type that you have. Once you've identified those parts for new folks especially suggest writing out the error message in plain speech for example. I have a syntax error in filename dot. Rb Online ten. There is an unexpected keyword of end. My program was expecting closing curly. Brace so make it feel more familiar than overwhelming by using plain language that you're used to hearing this for the debugging strategy that a lot of people have probably heard of called rubber ducking or rubber duck debugging. Were you explain your code to present to I have squishy UNICORNS on my desk? So I use those on but just talking it out and regular language tends to help your brain figure things out quicker. I absolutely agree and I actually keep a rubber duck on my desk at work just for that purpose so this is a little bit tongue in cheek. But isn't the point of air messages that you cut and copy them and paste them into Google to solve all your problems. You don't that totally can work But I think for your sanity sake. It's better to know what to Google. I so if you think about it like trying to remember the name of a song if you know some of the lyrics an artist and you can google that you're going to get to your answer a lot quicker than if you just google upbeat song by a female vocalist. That's such a fascinating point. I actually just heard in the news that a lot of song artists are going to start changing the title of their songs to be more. Seo Friendly so that kind of leads. It's fascinating isn't it? Because people get stuck on one bit of a song and when they go into spotify in order to search that song they can't find it. Okay we're GONNA take a quick break today. Sponsor is data dog a monitoring and analytics platform for cloud scale infrastructure applications and logs data dog integrate seamlessly with more than four hundred technologies. You can track. Every layer of your complex micro services architecture all in one place distributed tracing for review applications and API provide end to end visibility into requests wherever they go across hosts containers and service boundaries with rich dashboards algorithm alerts and collaboration tools. Data dog provides your teams with the tools. They need to quickly troubleshoot and optimize modern applications. See for yourself start a fourteen day free trial today and David even send you a free t shirt. Visit data dot com slash ruby rails. Podcast Lincoln the show notes. Thank you to data dog for supporting the show back to Eugene. So what are some of the common era messages that we can expect to see in the rails community syntax? Error is a big one especially when you're first starting out and syntax. Errors are pretty common. In any coding language. Specially when you're learning so For me when I was learning page P concatenation with periods was my biggest pitfall. I would always try and use a plus sign so when you have a syntax error. I like to Go through my code and count first of all adding one for every death I see and subtracting for each end so I will say I'll come across a daffron. Say One open the next level to open US come to an end go back to one open so when you get a syntax error looking at the line that it gives you also around not always good practice name. Errors are another big one and this is usually followed by the words undefined local variable or undefined local method. And I find when I get these. It's usually not because I didn't actually define the variable but because I made a Typo so if I define the variable sponge but then I try and use the variable spong. That's what I'm getting an error. I know method. Error is another big one so with those i. I make sure that I've actually defined the method I'm calling and haven't made a TYPO and if you're seeing something like undefined methods. Something for nil dill class that can be an indication that the object you're calling the method on is evaluating two nil. So double checking that you initialized an instance of the class that you're calling the method on and that everything he wrote in there is working as expected and finally action controller routing. Air is going to be a big one for a lot of new folks and you can enter rails routes just those two words into your console to give you a table of all your routes and anytime I get a rounding error. I like to start by comparing the URL in my browser to the path column in that table. And I using split view in the code editor to trace my route through the controller. The routes file and into the view and usually just by having those files next to each other. It helps my brain kinda see where I may have written the wrong thing. That's such a good set because I actually just had a rails route air today. I you know what I immediately went and ran. Rake routes just to take a look. Well I guess it would be rail routes now just to take a look at the routes that I had and of course it was off by one word so I am curious. How much responsibility do you think? Our Code editor should have in terms of us finding errors for me. I use Ruby Mine and vs code and they've been very helpful with various plug ins to help me detect syntax in name errors. Do you think that we should be dependent on those kinds of tools? Or should we be able to code and a text file I think especially the Syntax. Highlighting in code editors can be helpful. And I don't think that you have to force yourself to do more mental gymnastics than you need to in an ideal world. We should be able to code just as well in notepad as we would in something like Adam or vs code but. I don't think that there's any problem in using the tools available to us to write cleaner code. I love that so speaking of errors even an opinion on using rescue blocks in Ruby. I think it's generally pretty widely accepted that rescuing everything isn't the best practice and I would agree with that. Yes it stinks when your program crashes but also allowing your program to continue with generic error messages or missing pieces that will cause a problem later can be really frustrating to the user so I think knowing what to rescue and when to use that comes with experience and I'm personally still learning when the best scenario to use rescue are both I agree. So what are your thoughts on using reels console versus privatises? Better errors and binding of caller. The console is always my first line of Defense Probably because I started coding Java Script. I and now that I'm using. Php console goes across all of those different languages. So I'm the most used to personally I started using pry in my internship and I love the syntax highlighting because as I mentioned a second ago my brain is really responds. Well to the color. Coding like even when I was in high school I would color code all my notes. So that just really clicks with my brain naturally and I think an important part of coding debugging is finding those tools and strategies that make life easier for you personally however your brain works I mean. Of course there's going to be times that you need to use whatever tools you're group your job needs you to use but embracing those familiar comfortable helpful tools when you can is awesome and I've only dabbled a little bit with better errors But I really support any tool that you enjoy using and that makes life easier for you. It's great so I think you're GonNa have an interesting take on this because you were brought into this developer world learning Ruby and script. And now you right. So what are your thoughts on the future of the Ruby on rails communities? Well I think that there may be languages that are more widely used or more trendy depending on whatever area. You're looking at this question from but the staying power of Ruby on rails really for me is in the community because there's so many people who love the language and support each other and I attended my first Rubicon in November of last year and everyone was so welcoming. I'm pretty shy usually in situations where I don't know anyone and even I made friends quickly there. It was just such a special experience and the Ruby community is such an amazing group of people. And I'm just really grateful to be part of it. I can't say going anywhere but up with the people that it has. How can listeners. Follow you as you mentioned at the beginning of this podcast. I write a book at Code Copy. Coffee DOT COM and also Code copy coffee on instagram twitter. And get hub. I love that. You're all the same. I have not learned that lesson. I different handle on every single platform but I am making an effort to combine them all together. There's nothing wrong with some variety. I I also wanted to mention to that. Gina is not giving her talk in the near future but if any of the listeners are interested definitely redoubt Gina. I will have all of her contest. Show notes Gina. Thank you so much for coming out of the podcast to talk about errors. I certainly learned a lot and really enjoyed having you. Thank you so much for having me. It's been such an honor and I love being able to connect with folks in the Ruby community so this has been really special. Thank you awesome. Tears to the ruby on rails podcasts on the five by five network. Subscribe to us on Itunes. Google play or wherever fine. Podcasts are downloaded to stay in the loop on Ruby on rails and sore software. While you're at please leave us a review and that you for listening.

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Modo Traveller 406  Norte de Italia Roadtrip  Da 6  Passo Giau y Cinque Torri

Podcast RadioViajera

19:22 min | 11 months ago

Modo Traveller 406 Norte de Italia Roadtrip Da 6 Passo Giau y Cinque Torri

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55: Our Giro riposo: Porte in a storm

The Cycling Podcast

55:03 min | 5 months ago

55: Our Giro riposo: Porte in a storm

"Did my amateur days needs three. Here we raise the just before it happened minute. Running down the incalculable. Patrimonial permitted Abedin's KUNI staff fearmongering quiz. Ntil startled the inner drains Matsuno when I graduated to join in my per meter when home started shaking and classing across the Medieval City Lequiller. Thousands of buildings which have stood for centuries simply crumbled to the grounds people under this would have stood. No chance saying I'm the disaster struck long after you were shocked because we were literally right in that region right before it happens. Kinda scary and go back there just over you later. I use of problem. Take the Pink Jersey is some at least I kind of really knew that were going through. Even on that day it was terrible guy. We could see the carnage that caused you before that massive earthquake you are listening to the cycling podcast at our digital brought to you by. I woke up flexible. Loans for small businesses. Say Today we adding like we love. Says you say inch with the Sean Kelly. Sean Kenny's CASS casquette. Richard Actually Sean Kelly and Alberto Tomba based on what let your skin gum. Big Ski Type Ski style headband. On with with Sunglass I was reminded of Alba Tombola Bamba. I've lost you days because he's big big chunks of Mario Cipollini Unit. Tomba was from Tuscany. I'm which is not an area that most people associate with scheme but I think he's he's home. Resort is also Cipollini Home Resort Abbott. On which is a famous destination in cycling. We saw Tomba the star. The loss you didn't we Bologna did and we were played in their 'em by Ricky poor who's the subject of today's episode I normally sobbing? Where are we lionel reliable? What we're in luck. Huila for arrestee lack wheeler of record was hit by a terrible earthquake in two thousand and nine and in two thousand ten the Girardi Talia visited had a stage. Finish in town. WE'RE GONNA talk about that particular stage because it was the day that Richie Porte took the Pink Jersey and it was a war one of the most memorable days in the last ten years of Jiro. History wasn't it just scraping in the last ten years of history isn't it it is can i? Can we have a real time crisis corner immediately Of course Abbas to Tom Risen from Isn't from Tuscany because we saw him in Bologna last year and we symbol on him? Because he's from that area isn't but I think my points still stands about Abby Tornado. Being his home resort and Bologna's not no exactly mountainous either and it and it's pretty close to Tuscany eighties. And in fact if you go to some Florence from Bologna is one way to go over those mountains where I think I might. Well be wrong about this as well but I think told my Easter ski there anyways arrestee no cycling for US RICHARD ON VIRTUAL. Jiro Jiro on the GT PLATFORM. My legs of certainly appreciate it a day off. What about yours well of no actually had a day off because I had to do Saturday stage today Lionel because I take a rest in Saturday. Oh said fast cheap thing or well challenge your could lose. We established that at the start way down south today for practical reasons. I've done some laundry. I've been watching some press conferences on youtube just to get into the rest day spirit. What about that? Lovely drive over the nine's last night from Salerno from just outside Naples. She enjoyed that night. Promulgating to you. You'll territory now. This sort of wild boar kind of lovely wobble Raguz thick Kinda peachy type gas sausage. Meaty me good. Nice region. Eventually Trough traveled a great bit in the Dino Book Rich. We were just talking about that before we started recording today about an how the the soul of Italy in the Jiro lies in the central regions. And it doesn't A. Jiro doesn't feel completing unless it goes to. Those regions actually disappointed me a little bit when I saw the Jira Announced this year that there wasn't much time will to be spent in Tuscany. Umbria and Abruzzo those regions. You're listening to the cycling podcast at our Talia brought to you by. I woke up flexible. Loans for small businesses. I W. O. C. A. K. Thank you very much. Indeed to are title sponsors. I walk a proud to have them as our main supporters and They're enabling us to be here covering our. Jiro and I walk. Aren't award-winning finance company. Who specialized lending to small businesses? They were it in twenty eleven and they've issued more than a billion pounds to companies ranging from startups to established businesses. If you'd like to know more about I walk and they support cycling as well. The Cycle Club as well as a cycling podcast. Then go to I walk. Dot Co dot. Uk Anthony. The teeny is to nearby Area of Italy which in very rural mountainous region shortly speaking sort of central West. But it feels more southern. I have been there and dismember being incredibly beautiful because it so in general so rural and remote the agriculture there is is largely to sheep hurting and things like that. This stash is very much. A shepherd stash it's basically lamb kebabs or lamb skewers. And it's kind of thing that little pieces of meat cups small so they could quickly and shepherds could've eaten could pads while they will often locks on in the mountains. It very very simple to marinate the meat she literally you just a bit of so cooking on the grill. Seven with some Grad small of oil. Maybe some the lovely multi culture so wine also else rustic and read the important thing I think. If you're making your home is to not go for anything to lean. I think traditionally as with most kebabs you would be using a mixture of sort of pieces fats and Fatemi and Lena bits new easing matter. If you'll just buy one cut a probably like shoulder all maybe a mixture of of lamb and lamb stakes just to make sure it doesn't dry out on the grill and those who actually really spots to meet down on the skewers of tryout but yeah it's important very delicious well felicity. My Lamb kebabs skuas. A fantastic light ish lunch. The Italians traditionally cook them on the barbecue using something called a four and a cello which you can suspend the skier as above the flame. So the lamb fact drips down. And you get a Ni- smokey effect but I cook mine in a very very hot griddle pan. I took your advice and the lamp small. I separated the meat from the fat and I kind of distributed evenly and I really packed on so was a very tight Kebab of of just meet and then I spring Whitson some really nice course sea salt on and just watched them smoke on the Grill Pan till basically they ready to turn when they were. You know I could rig with them free without the without them. Sticking Leaving Hoffman. On the pattern that may absolutely delicious with some rosemary roasted potatoes. In a little bit of I only ask salad cream. I realize it was I I had site. Oh me to let us as the alleged offensively upon either you really have to miss them. Rustic breads and olive oil. I guess as actually put them in a fine time offensive. The APP wind diaper. I did that. You had a nice classes. Red Wine alongside Lumpkin. John I can say quite close enough right brought to you so I I was. It was really good. I like the fact he'd back attacks on I might have had them a little bit charts but then ran garbage. That play hard from your company event. Act like that was arrested and we we seem to be talking about 'em foods already bought another another visit to the to the first branch of the Napalm restaurant. They're very tasty. Signed it indeed indeed a very tasty rest lunch extremely simple just just lamb shoulder on on keep apps absolutely delicious With a nice glass of red wine from the region Yeah well why not? WanNa put channel any tasting notes napalm very tasty and we're very well with allow sick multiple China so you don't often get good stuff rolling the the road and doesn't come across a as long as you had a nice lunch line a lot. Semaine thing unless they was impressed. So that's obviously the main the main thing knipe woman Felicia ring-fence the whole food of the takeover. We'll also get an extra in an deferred anyway on with on with today's his eight episodes Richie Porte. We've gone into Ritchie. Poor US spoke to him recently. Diane very interesting in a long interview on. Actually we'll put quite a lot of on the friends feed so that they were GonNa hear it. She poor on his first year as a pro and how we came to join Saxo Bank we'll hear about the the stage in question from two thousand and ten is fresh grunter oversee when he ended up in the Pink Jersey. But for a longer version with Richie Gere on to talk about the rest of his career that will be on the friends feet. So sign up as a friend. If you want to hear a bit more from Richie Porte. We're going to hear in a moment from Ritchie poor but to turn professional but right at the start of this episode. We heard him talk a little bit about the earthquake that hit the area the previous year. We are rich a succession of a very bad earthquakes central Italy over while period of twenty years released. The first one was nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy and were. It was a national scandal. Really how long? It took to to repair the damage. Rehouse people off to that Quake two thousand nine. There was another one. Which is the one. We're GONNA mainly focus on today so in April early April. Two thousand nine city of La Kwa Was really devastated. By the quake. Eighty thousand people lost their homes. I mean I gain Ten years later over ten years later not everything has been rebuilt now. Everything has been repaired. There still churches and schools are in a pretty bad state and there was another one. I'm going to talk about tomorrow. So two thousand. Sixteen two thousand seventeen in the area of preacher and yeah and this is all part of our theme a bit of a theme for all of them rebuilding rebirth of of Italy You know we talked a week ago in our first episode about how the Jira win it does come back. We have become about this year is GonNa sort of symbolize and hopefully galvanize in a way. this this reconstruction of you know. Italy Italian national sort of confidence the battalion economy and Yeah the the two thousand nine Earthquake was was a significant moment for the region and the following year. Two thousand ten the Jiro. It was going to go to lock. Huila and it turned out which he puts a very significant stage. First Time I ever saw you. I think was a the the world's in Mendi Zero in two thousand nine. I remember watching the road race. The men's elite road race. There was like a Gazebo. Set up with all the HTC darkness with add so Allen. Pipe was there and Bob Stapleton I remember you being there Nile. Someone who's that guy in your name and I sort of assumed maybe we're GONNA turn pry freight's DC because you know you tie with Piper and so on but that didn't happen on with Saxo Bank so I mean that in itself was a bit of that was sort of against the odds. Wasn't it because I don't think they they had a place for you You managed to win beyond race. Ovo twist his arm. Is that right lucky to have that? String connection there that begrudges. Kinda set that meeting up with HTC during the rice as well known after his lucky enough that. Yana reese opposite way to me and SAM student at grady negate said he'll be injury surgery seeing. Just introduce yourself and reach. I did you know he said to me that he didn't ask left for the next year. But he downing. Tuscon where I was staying on Holiday a week off site to catch up with me in house lucky enough that looks remote testing results from Mapei. Enormous blood postponed results from the year. Ended that conversation. I had a contract with Investing in the road time wasn't the easiest time. Threes ahead needs to come to contract on on. That team was just felt justification for packing up my life in. Tasmania meeting to the absolute outside of the World. And Hide off reese decides to sign you and then you go to the training camp which I think was in gun Nadia and I mean one of the ways in which he made an impression I think was the beyond recent may be comfortable. This thought you were dead in the swimming pool because you swim underwater for long Right our reset to do a test. Neri could swim the furthest I think yen's deep fifty Mehta's but Ami background as a swimmer. Hi hasn't think I swim by seventy three on the in a fifty meter poll. A Nice thought that I was going to pass out at some united. First thing that got me you know Fabian. Copa the the water off up the ladder. Now be cut on the background. Bobby Julie Computer of interesting is of certain. Wasn't such a big deal from same background to do that. But it did impress nice guys and you mentioned a couple of names. Were in that team whose full of experienced names guys. Who'd already had decorated careerism. In how if you so cost you mind back to that camp. Let's first couple of months. I think race was a bit critical of your way at first but I mean. How's intimidated were you? What was your frame of mind in those first couple of months? I told me I was set before. Kreider and a member he looking at me Or Rabab stoa underwater swim Wasn't really impressed with my shape when you tuned up to team camp in February. Is They against this jewelry? The schlick brothers. Matty racial so many guys that you watched on television. Then you've got to know them in no just normal everyday knockabout Phyllis. That was no thing. Probably the guy that made the biggest impression on May at that camp was Nissar Anson amend what she named When the station until that year? And then you got to spend time with him. hawking and stuff like these news hottest guys on the black but off. It is all about skills He's probably more the guy that I clicked with some straight away. Would you think who would you remember feeling about where where this was? All leading professional cycle. What did you think you also place was going to be in this bull in this first few months looking? Obviously on the I can't you you don't really know What to expect Than we did quite a lot of testing was a separate camp say Races in training. Were did some time trial stuff you know I was sort of second behind Yakov signing in the time trial and Frank Schlicht sits meese it yet. You've actually got some talent. So maybe a Ken. May he go of it? Coming from being an amateur and your normal these guys Too Far ahead until Dema I races in in May offer and realized that it was hot. expected you're near professional and you've watched this guy's whole life racing on TV. You don't really secrets. You'll be up the banging Bosnian sitting. That's how it was when I turned professional in probably not quite same. Now you see neo price coming in this probably not that labeling of intimidation in the bunch anymore cycling's change so much but for me straightaway. I think that the hottest thing was that funny big Is it to you for being that way? And you sort of have to Cool the brakes on it and get out of the way the made it hard was when you back bunch. She really to can sorta erasing Bunches magnified when you almost lost feel safe. May that was probably the hottest learning that and trying to gain respect without any able and the other aspects of it is the u You knew so first. Rice's when you're about twenty twenty one Still quite new to it. New to bite racing generally also new newish to Europe you. You'd had your experiences in Tuscany in sound but he was young in that respect what we also have they not first year. What we kinda like circumstances. Where were you living? Who He's hanging out with your with the big Soviet influence on that point actually the lucky that he coldly for Ionel rock is am east from my hometown and his father from the Tasmanians truthful me at the time he was in his wisdom do caddy Modi. Gpa said he was traveling quite a lot but he was really the the guy that bent over backwards to make me feel homing Monaco when he was around Vedeno And things like that so I was lucky to have it of hollowing. Eight of Camaraderie turned out to one of might say United Respects K. That then when you move from each league to to Monica you can't just move into. Monica knows lucky. That was about to say how did not come about at that. Stage needed fifty thousand dollars in the bank at any one time and I was lucky that some my bank still. We've kind of said I K- seen cyclist coming. He's not on. That was seller at the time was fishy tales in euro. So be I would sue For that outfit then also say lucky that my parents were in the position until so help me out with all that sorta see you know in the bank? They wrote the attestation to the the government to. He's not money in the bank. We will know that. Eventually he will get on his feet in essentially. That was how but you know I remember. When I moved to Monica I went to buy a vacuum cleaner. You know. I didn't know he had enough money to thank two hundred. And Twenty Euro vacuum in cast at our data d'italia he supported by science in sport. Sciences sport fueled by science. Thank you very much indeed to scientists sport for fuelling me around our Jiro and for supporting the cycling podcast and supporting you. If you want twenty five percent off all your scientists sport products go to support dot com and enter the code. Sis CPI twenty five as sis. See Twenty odd I remember with. Are we donyell well? Rich in a spectacular location where both long way above the Lago Deseo which is near tomorrow. Starting Laura stunning. Isn't it miserable to raining most of the day but it stopped raining? The closer just hanging there on. Its is stunningly beautiful. Really still isn't it. Yep We're above the clouds something we'll have some clowns or tippy top little wispy like Marco Pantani hair before he shaved off a hot tub over there we were we were tempted to podcast in the hot tub where we were trying to think of. Us think to ourselves. What would line do he were if he's here in the hot tub with a loss of pink percents who got cats crawling all over us here. But that's fine. I kinda. She set my chair because of the continents. All right fine cats for using that so Daniel. This is our press conference. Shall we just get straight into your question? Yes for its latest from All position on the terrace looking desire is the Matia. Catania is had enough to announce be replaced by Daniel Cattalo himself Dario policy off the last Chris. Catania didn't WOLF DOWN ON SHIFT CHRISTMAS. So they can find a lot of water cold. Those are the zero more or less like this Lot of rain every day. Two thousand ten worst WANNA one year later after halfway in Lucknow our ten year so is a moment for that city. I was saying many times when I was younger and In place so I feel it more even for for that reason. And when something like that happens and it's happened a few times in Italy with quakes. It doesn't just get repaired and sought it out in a year. I mean the people on and still living with the consequences living with consequences but like realize actually is the city who is is coming out in a very nice way. I been there a few days ago and so it really a CD and will be very beautiful to see tower. How it was just after they actually can. Now that is again is Up Mobile well. Today's I'm records Daniel tickets back a year to arrest the second rest day last year when we were invaded by cats. Who made off with one of our crisps. And then we we heard from one of the constant way who writes from his star. Well I think we heard about the feline diarrhea Cataldo then we had from the Real Daria Cataldo. Speaking to me last year revisiting the stage that we're going to speak about in a lot of detail today laquelle. That's pretty close to where that Cataldo is. First before we move on with should make it clear. You shouldn't feed crisps. Two cats we did get an email from a friend of PODCASTS EVENT. Last year and complaining that we had Endorsed the feeding of crisps account. We hadn't of course on the cats were were crisp thieves rather than being fed by mentioned this loss. Jabe my cat smudge. God rest his so used to eat. Papa Adams used to love a populism. We have account called smudge. No we did domino and SMUDGE. I also used to my car two names and smudge Gabrielle. Carteris twitter so we heard from Ritchie poor but he came to join the world to acquire unconventional Pi. Three little bit like The episode we had a few days ago with Cadel Evans who am came from mountain biking and made an immediate impact. Ritchie poor also made a came from triathlon and made a major impact in. Yeah he did rich and I mean as far as we were concerned from the outside it looks as though he really taken to professional cycling like a duck to water. He's very very home in the in the pool. I think he's Dodd. Used to manage swimming pool. Rich it's been a lot of timing. Swimming pools never used venture into the sea. Apparently I remember reading more because he was scared of sharks but Tam he. He had sort of been on a fast track he. He'd started racing quite late and had a bit of a meteoric rise in couple of years in Italy and done very well One Time Charlie. Thinking Baby Jiro and was so impressive. Their face sort of suggestions from some of the local riders. Some local ready to win onto become quite big name. Pros that something untoward. Yeah what we. What we didn't know is that it was actually really struggling in in the first couple of months in terms of results in that first year. Yeah I mean we said it was a culture shock but despite that you hit the ground running rarely you particularly win a time trial at the tour Ramadan. You you win comes a couple of months off though or a month or so after the all these wild rumors about Fabio Contra having a motor in the in the class Hicks and I think there was some removes or there was some people suggesting that you had a motor in Toro functioning. The honest it. Oh probably started. Hiring needs. Winston has absolutely terrible time just before the rice started on good night's with cuting siphoning X. Coming TASSIE say wasn't really in the framing lines be racing crosswinds the first time that ever really Rhody crossings and just took an absolute kicking in on the law stage beyond gave it to me. Said you're too fat to be professional cyclist and you don't have person was the second time. Then they said that to you off to the competent wants needs right. Yeah and even Human News. My director sportifs now said to Jonah. Said like this guy doesn't have any count even staying the bunch. They should get rid of me. I got given the key king and then I came back and and Brad McGee really took me under his wing ring. You gave me day by us out on the school and company really got me going while they attend up to mindy. I'm into the prologue Brad. Wholesome on the radio behind the CISCO Crashed straight over the barriers. You know didn't have the greatest opposite time. Trials enrollment is just one of those days that hurdle. The old rumors of this and that I didn't hear about the people started had entered in the black but ahead people said That they started me. And then there's another one that Brad McGee pace me on college. She's anyone knows it's no way in the world he to something like that but I think maybe wanting that might have happened was a win so that it probably did have more favorable wind but it was funny because one of the one of my teammates heading sky was with guest. Depan at the time and fees light had that conversation with him. He said Go onto that are cheated. What did I do I said too? I didn't do anything in the Andy. Took my word for people who are always going to question things. But as he cut showed The Sikhs Prologue. I think showed that I did have to credentials adults. I won the time trial before that baby. Jiro beating edgy on. Malory's Adid have a little bit of etiquette if people could have a look which with a lot of those people that make commits. They haven't really done their research anyhow. What had changed in the space of this month six weeks since something you said that brought the Gatewood Lot with you. I mean what were the key things I mean how? How heavy were you for? Example where you with a case of losing a couple of kilos and then beyond. It was satisfied or honest. I think I got back from power knee. Sag on the scale and it was sixty eight kilograms which compared to these hugh is pirating says about ten kilos mall. And that's the season as a neo. Par For the side of the world making moves somewhere and I wasn't really given any help other team. Let's just told that you have to leave here. That was really member had to hire feet. Pander drive with my three bags from Tuscany up to to Monica in that. Was You know those? No help from N es attain what it is and it'll it'll work out but it could just swell united Could have been backing. Tessie Waking non-fox the next to but I think what really changed me in that period was I was angry and I wanted to show them and US ready to fight. That was the big thing or is it a little bit more disciplined with the Diet and had trained harden and Co cliches. But that's really what it was just beat a bit of fire in the belly and then you get picked for you first. Gruntal Jiro Is it was a very experienced team and they sent the bathing cook. Gustav lost to certain since Sankar Nikki in a couple of others. I mean. What was you'll row supposed to be going into year. What do they want from you? There are all there was just to just to get through it. Really just use that first grand tours as a stepping stone and try and figure out what sort of a ride that was going to be. I mean those absolutely no pressure on me even from the get that team the stages Nissar Nsen. Was there just for the first two weeks to fill. These foam will helping the lakes in the toll site is a young inexperienced team as well as those Oda experience guys who would just hunting for full all stages really relaxed and you mentioned the. Good prologue. You took the White Jersey off the prologue. I think he got lost on the way back to the podium to try to to receive the white jerseys at right just may have stood out that Absolutely nurse Sense Direction. Obviously got that off my mother. She's saying but yeah had to go and get the the white chizzy and I got absolutely lost. Ause lucky that Sean. Yates who's got time so me riding around aimlessly in Stoughton. He gave me a lift back to the Party and presentation. An amendment was on Mother's Day Australia Party in presentation and I MSTISLAV ON TV. So members priced upset in. I was lucky to hold onto that Jesse for quite a long time after. I plenty mall parking presentations off to. It's the first week of that. Jury was quite eventful. I ten days there were some stages stages where time has one in Los than it was the famous states. Monta Chino in the white rose in the rain are pretty brutal day on the Ted Mountains finish but he was sort of you holding your own you were sort of finishing between ten and th place a lot of the time but can you remember You fell on this those first few days. I mean as you said you went thinking that you're going to be writing for DC. As that point I remember that the the stages off which has sent absolute light to fight every day and yeah I made it through member being involved in mass pile op with Christian Vanderbilt on round the somewhere in Holland and I think it was just a using hedges went there and rolled up slaves in and punched on gone with not just enjoyed it and had a bowl really and then I also remember the stage to Monta Chino. Never I mean. I'll never forget. That was one of the hottest days I'll probably ever have on a bike in his first year. With SISA BANK. He's picked for the jets d'italia the two thousand ten zero am started at. I'm Saddam the Jiro. Bradley wiggins won the prologue time-trial. It was team sky's fresh year. Their first GRUNTER as well and but it was a very an arc arc race Some fantastic stages stage seven over the the white Rhodes m one by CADEL Evans from allies under the new carafe was really one for the ages. I watched that one again recently. It's brilliant brilliant stage to watch and it did seem as if M. It was very chaotic. Very Archaic Edition of the Jiro. Shaping up wasn't a into a battle between Vinokourov. Who had the Pink Jersey Cadel Evans have been changed a nearly an Obama? Zo The next challenges. Vinokourov already had a minute and twelve over evidence going into this stage. Eleven but there was no real sense. What say that. The anyone was had a stranglehold on the race. It wasn't like You know astonishing unbeatable by any stretch so stage eleven. You know very difficult roads and prevent an opportunity for a real ambush. I mean it was It was an extraordinary stage. One of those days when you know third of the Peleton so our quarter of the pilot owner actually in in the break in the the guy with going up and up and up and The racial being completely turned on. Its head his looking at the. Eh Right book. What you saw was two hundred and sixty two kilns Daydream had you ever ridden Will race doubtful? Never Rice that fall but I remember that stage at the start of quite a big group that went but it was a member of the road. That's GonNa like. It was still beechman. Bit Really Bumpy. So we have to jump onto the gotta so we probably had you know like a Mehta decide and that's kind of how it was like a breaking bunch that was caused because it was hard but then it was like a star. I think kind of at the the jazz is going back out again. And this is a real disaster. The New Pearl Evans Basso Nibbling at our Jersey on the shoulders of Alexander Nucor off well at least until he rolls over the line. There are a whole group of other writers back in the hunt heavier. Tondo Carlos Sastre and Richie port a bit of an unknown quantity. Some of these bigger riders. Which he but. He's seemed to be so strong. It could climb maybe not a pure climate but he can climb pretty well more to the point. You can time Charlie. That must be Something to look out for Ritchie. Paul then takes over the Pink Jersey had w dot oil at one forty two kids loves. Get One fifty six tom to three fifty four annually. If you can get him an ancestor talk in the top eight seven minutes and nine seconds down. What an extraordinary day remember people saying that I got lucky to get the jazzy. But then I'll I remember like we go there. Sasser hurt one the toll to us before and these guys role there. I mean those a lot of fly power in that front move remember Zombie Came up to me. And he's riding with Sevilla and Next to him and he said you're GONNA BE THE PINK. Jersey ended the day because we already had sixteen minutes to sixty case. Something like this and then I did the Massey my head and it was two hundred case guy and you going to be such a hot day. It was already freezing My head was the the distance between the capital city. Taxi PA and at Launceston Donna. Rice The full earlier About remembered how much itself on that day and with the way the and the call on you that I just had to hold him to that group and take the Gysi. I just remember being super hot when when the break went and then they was that game chess behind you know cadel Bosso and all those guys that if and Vinokourov leukemia each other and none of them helping I think that communist pot maybe astonished missed it up and by the time that realized how much of this that might they couldn't they couldn't get packing The group that was in the Front Moore. He really well together. I mean we had some big firepower up there poolings well even when the teams got together and you know and and you know they didn't take that much time out of this anyway but you know it wasn't really until last said he case that. I really thought you know I'm GonNa take these Even to the day makes the hair We'd feelings. That was just one of the most incredible things that could have happened to me. So you wouldn't forty two ahead on DC that night. I think things started to turn take time for the West. Even that evening. Didn't yeah I remember that easing roommates law. Dhia said that I was like having Likes to sweating. United Life had had like a fever not SORTA. It was just one of those things as having exited muscle so much. That than are said to him You know you you sweating. And he looked at me and he said You don't look right Sorry had to come in and the doctor Kate me sit to these but yeah you obviously got something also write songs that I had a fever and went from being on top of the will to to hardly be able to sleep and at the good art gastro and to be honest. If I didn't have digital Probably wouldn't start the next day. I think the next day was probably one hottest days ahead on the bike just from United. I couldn't eight Alan a throwing up and and everything else that goes with guests. aren't going and having to having to hide while. I suppose for an competitive and I remember that the males one a female journalists there and she picked she said that to me Off to the stage in in the house are you. Are you know to pretend like you know it was good and everything was okay? But the few days after that Stage thank Put the bulk so much and they weren't you know that were a typical transition days in the way it was better that You know I didn't really have to exert myself. But then the lost had that juicy. I remember Scott excitable queuing up on the front of the climb and anew that that was the those GonNa lose the Jersey you know it was the most incredible days writing that Jersey and everyone on the side of the ride with you know screaming out Magliarella. Just one of the most incredible things you can have a dark riders to to wear latest Jersey Royo ended up holding on for a long time. At the was the top of the classification and at one stage looks real threat in terms of winning the race. I mean what were you thinking? The next few days you obviously had to had to stop Wondering about general classification unseen How long you could hang on. I mean do think the the illness affected you throughout the rest of the rice. Even when you you know in theory better to be honest like wants to Austin at a through and at that time doesn't away twenty minutes was gonna hold onto that about Arroyo he can pretty close to me he he wrote Magni magnificently for the rest of the rice. But some you know who may have had that Pizzas three days was awesome but then at the white and that was really when we had a great paddle at Ski Who is doing all sorts of crazy things? Like holding on the cost to to Rice against PALCA Muammar. Said that was put next priority was to try and take that just to to finish Like seven there In Verona is awesome but too far ahead of myself on you know what sort of a ride or is going to be but you know in the week off to when you everything kind of went crazy and getting all this from teams even though at a contract we sex ed for the next year. And that's kind of when it'll some Kane. Maybe I did have a future. As a professional record was rich poor on the stage that really announced him to the the world. I suppose he took the Pink Jersey. There are piles of said with Cadel Evans in two thousand and two but it was It was a remarkable stage. What was a pre extraordinary Chiro? A real sense that day that a lot of writers were were coming back into contention and one of the favorites. Who would eventually end up winning? Finished twelve minutes back day. Even Basso Yeah Right. She was fantastic. Jurisdictions stages where the recrimination loss for several days in the were lot after that stage I remember speaking and to Johnny Salvio off the woods on 'em he of course had McKinley Scarponi as his team leader. Salvia when other other people other riders of the teams as. Well felt that without the help or without the input of under Oni then liquid gas vassar would have would have lost the Jira that day would have forsaken chance to win the Jira because and there was this moment there was a long period of the race when astanin liquid seemed mystifyingly not to be moving and I mean liquid. Gas had four guys in the break so they had a good excuse not to really do much behind the break. Has the advantage went out? I think it went out to seventeen minutes at one. Point but astonishing lack of movement was quite was quite surprising to say the least and was never really adequately explained you know it could easily have turned into what we mentioned the other day. DidN'T WE ACT clarity. Who won the Swiss rider? Who won the Jaren? Nine hundred fifty four Raja while Kobe. Back and of course famously. Also in the fifties one the Toyota Front with the call literally be doing like a lucky break it could easily have turned into one of those and fact Davidoff Royal held on for a very long time and I remember later in the race. How impressed people were with him. In particular descending are member was this was exceptional and he was managing to make up recoup quite a long time on on the dissents and he gave the favorites and in particular who went onto win the race and nervous moments. Arroyo has also ridden extremely well on stage. I mentioned earlier. Stage seven hundred the white road stage which is a real a real battle and he was. He was one of the guys up there along with Marco penalty actually one of the four or five writers who were able to go with the vinokourov and Evans. Yeah one of the other. Riders in that Break Was Bradley. Wiggins finished fourth on the stage to lack wheeler and dragged himself. Back up into the talk ten after a few days where his his first grand tour. As Team Sky's leader had been unraveling a bit but it was a bit of a false dawn for wiggins. Because he didn't do very well in the rest of the mountain stages and was back in the world more or less agree peto on the stage finished fortieth overall and expose. That is where the pressure began to pile onto weekend. Showed us the expectation that all been built up in two thousand nine Firstly with a very promising C. is at the Jira and then of course fourth place at the Tour de France and he was going to go into the tour at skies leader but he even more by the end of the Jiro. Yeah it was. It was starting to look a little bit unlikely that he was Gonna be able to repeat his success from the previous year and just thinking about the legacy of that Jira for Ritchie pork chops. I mean for many years seventh-place he's finding position not Jira was his best finish in a grotto and he's only granted top ten in it struck me and it suddenly strikes me now but he was really cursed and damned by that while finishing position of seventh and Jerry really did set. Expectations are unrealistically high. And I mean. He's one of those riders. You can almost Europe Algorithm for a ride his career or a writer who is criticized for not attaining certain standards because of a performance early in their career or because on certain days they are better than guys who are winning grandchildren. And is exactly the case with Richie. Port had the seventh place which he he planted a flag there and then in the years thereafter he would have often. He would have days where he was a better climate than Christopher Room or even Alberta Continental Yvonne Bassett. Whoever it may be I think Richie himself as you know. We're going to post the the rest of the interview on the friends. Feed and Richie talks about. This cloud of Depth Ritchie. Never really fell that he was better than those guys and he was better equipped to win grand tools than those guys. But if you added those two things together the flying starts pro career and those flashes of absolute brilliance. It was easy to come to the conclusion that he should have been and it was. Somehow he's older he wasn't he wasn't achieving those results. Will you mentioned Daniel? The rest of your interview with Richie. Porte will be available to friends of the podcast. Will we hear little clip from that? Now is some talking about a writer. M who he became made some friends with a team sky. Chris from I think he's just mentally the toughest guy that there is a genuinely feel that this is no one in the Peleton even now. Who's mentally tough? What he means. He's not the easiest of out brings out of Kenya than south. Africa's I just think that that's probably the biggest thing that sets firm you PA from myself and and a lot of the guys. He's just he's he doesn't care what anyone says about him. Old People going you know has a good law when people were you know lying to him on the side. They're already sounded pretty funny. Whereas you know I guess that I kind of worry a little bit too much about what people see where sets. He's helps and that's what flies of you wars Tim. Ally of the isn't tried to absorb some of that income to the conclusion. It's pretty much whether it's genetic whether it's in its origins at deepen someone's upbringing in too late when you get your twenties thirties to change that kind of thing as any of it transmits use through. Most Cup. That killer instinct. You really douse on Monday. Like you said but you know. He's twenty full seven why the super competitive in assist how some people are. Maybe you know. He's he's upbringing Tough than than why unite cosy also laid out during the month at surfed. We grew up every weekend on the coast and really have to to worry for for anything worse. Yes he's he's he's had to fight. He's whole his whole life. We'll have little clip from the longer view. Richie available to friends. The podcast sign up at the cycling. Podcasts DOT COM. And don't forget you can also watch our first film there as well and so we wrote an face for all the reaction to that thing is time chops to hear from our good friend. Chiro SCOGNAMILIO DID RIM team with cheers medium. Or yes I know is climate. It's true but every rule has extraction mapping. This case the motivation is not a climb or stage. Montaigne degreaser is that I met him at Welte Casteel on two thousand seven. It was still not so famous one after the end this race and Gabe is telephone number after thirteen years is telephone. Number is still the same. Thanks beco these means to know how not change how to remain the same a condo in spite what Chiro said about not picking any climates Alabama console gets in purely on the basis that he's never changed his phone number in thirteen years. I'm not sure about that. Is a selection criterion. Least as team manager will be able to get hold of him whenever you need to talk tactics or any other important business not gonna go missing. That's why are better considered joins Saxo Bank in two thousand eleven and to block the path really for Ritchie Portland from simply the beyond recent. How these phone number for many many years and he hadn't changed their or I suspect that might have been more to it than those suspects shop. A second live correction of the podcast. Not Very well today. And I said even Basso Jared debut for chips in two thousand actually made his debut debuted in a few stages the year before for a resource. Scotty Nothing Scotty is. That's Roy yes. Result arise from result. I rushed to chips to to have reason gas cement. Actually Cement was an accident wonderful world the professional cycling anyway shops. We we should wrap things up for arrestee. I'm get back to some resting. What's coming up tomorrow? Well we've got on the course we've got time fantastic time trail mountain time trial. I've been one of those one of the most beautiful climbs in central Italy. We'll talk more about it tomorrow but it's another. It's another nod to as we said this theme from Rebirth on the earthquake in two thousand and sixteen. Seventeen this time and napalm surely tomorrow because we gonNA three. Surely you're going to be making a lovely. I'm pretty channel year. Well there's a bit of a Pasta Cook off actually tomorrow but the main feature in the episode will be an interview with Alex Dowsett. We're talking time trawling. And the Grand Tour Stage Win in two thousand thirteen zero four downstate which in its way signal. The end of Bradley Wiggins is a tool contender. Didn't he was defending champion He was going to the G to try and win it and it all went wrong from the time-trial on which even go. We'll be focused. We will focus on DIFESA and we'll maybe talk a bit but we maybe we'll all contemporary and talk about the current situation with Chris while who knows breaking our own cheeto rules until tomorrow Lionel. Thank you very much. Thank you Richard. Thank you thank you.

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"The suckling podcast and Kost presents life in the Pelivan on Mitch. DACA and welcome these Tom. We're listening to reach one of my all time. Favorite Gaza have on the podcast. Awesome as you will find out in this coming season. Coming up on the twenty ninth of January the first official release of the two thousand twenty. podcast Jimmy Whelan so hanging there for that. But but for now we've got Luc de reach and get used to his voice because he's going to be a constant guest on life in the Peleton and is good little bit abandoned between main him Si- CPAC and enjoy these guys so here we saw. Ah Mrs the pre to our law in the Peleton special edition with my good friend and regula looked everage. Welcome back to the podcast night. Thanks for having me back on my good good to meet him too. Hot Simon Stein Girona the final. Prep Sadan the two is just around the corner. It's a big regional. It starts early in the people thought. Totally Matt Selection early in the more than any other rice. It's the biggest rice. We are because of the hot done is surely because the toughness of it but I think just because because at the Hawk around it. It's been the biggest rice in softening forever side things at pressures on forever on sponsors Tame Rotas prices on in general. I think the selection you said stotts tried to the full really. Everyone's wants to be in the two so yet collection is a tricky movie on. We've actually got some questions that people have seventeen. What have we got once? You'll pray to the fonts. Prep this is from from Knicks. Rana what was your to Franz. Prep because like you said it was Bain changed from Jira but what what have we done. Literally since the Gerard should now the jury Schwab five weeks ago. Four weeks ago today is it. Looks like wake off more or less. Move the body you bit up. I'm pretty much eight and drink for a week and I went to altitude easiest way to stay healthy and kate wide off pretty much. What you need to do is really bicyc- you just need to keep your body moving you have so much lard? From Jira era and I finished not wrecked so you finished your richt. You pretty much pulling this off at a whole two weeks but couldn't finish completely empty. I I could have a week off and then pretty much stopped back to training. And you just needed top sean. Each zone throughout the next couple of weeks just to sort of build a little bit of vice pretty much wide off touch on Amazon's Rikova much can make sure the bodies moving will we'll get back to buy seeks eight will nutrition. Seems Pretty Simple. But you've got so much load in your legs. You don't need to do much and you just need to absorb that and if you go under too much your rob the to a to todd and by the end I wake you are. You're on your knees. I've done the Jiro and the tool. 'twas be full back to back and I've definitely got it wrong last two times so I'm hoping that I get all star. That's one thing that you've noticed. This is Tom you've done completely different than the altitude homes while I think Phoenix Jiro to talk to todd And didn't give myself enough wrist. be older than it was back then on the twenty three so it was like not really sure about my body my body doing all these different things and putting on white and meditation contrition was pretty bad. I was trying to dot pretty heavily but I was putting on white. Dotting body was self. Yeah Jackley sorry. Yeah now I think a good feel you have to. There's no set plan. You have to be adaptable so one day you wake up really todd have the day off just because of the coaches audio. Will you need to do this. You don't do it you just have to be in shooting. Listen Yeah exactly. That's aside premature. And then last week Donna. Bean of intensity have there been any case stations. That you've gone Anita knock these before I'm ready for the two not really not not not not have to put so much pressure on anyway. Let me you how do you stop yourself from Harvard. Training is from Greg. WNBA DUDE I mean. This is in general Coach or you sort of a thing is back to what you just said. Vein vein is being in Hsun with your own body and knowing when enough is enough. And you've got to be really sorta honest with yourself there. Make sure you know being a slack Faucet or then on the flip side going you know what enough is enough so you do know it off to a few years that you doing junk as let me say that when when you just you feel tied you just running along opposed training. That's an that's an indication. Today I can feel it in my legs I can just feel it in my general End Helen off the block. If I'm grumpy from from tied if I'm just a pine in the Austin Bay around I I need some rest unfortunately you get that feeling coming into third wake of grand to all be choice about it. That's that's sort of an indication we know when you get to that level enshrining the beautiful thing with training is training and you can take that breast and and get the best benefit out of it. But you're always in that undecided. Infected servite should not taking risks diet or a bunch of Spain soft. Or is this the whole point of the coaches plan. But you know there's a level I think executives question Steitz heights is it's a problem with athletes is that there's no many pro athletes out there who are under training. It's more about stopping in training. And and that's when the coaches and just put the brakes on it and you are listening to college. If you're going out there doing secret training so you know about it. I think I think you've got. Some problems are mixed question. How many times does does it take the bunch to settle? Does it depend on whose who's present. Nothing they're referring to. This is from tonk. One eighty four. They're referring to the tune of Franz Helm. Does it take before the bunch actually goes in our county. That's your position as mob position lists rice delicious. Gets the finish along. I think it's for all to is operatives wake you know like I said after after the first mountain stage or after the first week everyone's energy level will start to go down and you can see who is really struggling and who's not really struggling and people just generally stay with I made to stay and the hierarchy becomes relevant so probably. I'll wait pretty much the first week or first stage and if the first man sages after the first or second day which has happened there still easily be distress around these straightaway. Lasts less makes a big difference. Next month we can we get stats on grand to clones the his ten day to a qualms. What's the pie slide? This is from blonde. DC's something that both you. And I are going to know too very much about but we still get a feel of the smaller clubs that we have to get And decide that there is any difference. I know maybe one difference. I feel there is a smaller stage race list ice. Yeah there's a few guys laws who are on the borderline of May beginning of recline monae be not Still go for it in a grandma by make that decision to guard. I'm actually not Oklahoma. Yeah Perry Naisse or a true Swiss classic trying to get a hot day someone like a teaspoon her in a tour threes he was wrought up the painting. Jj Say 'cause he can see the the lot at the end of the tunnel MHM whereas in a grand tour. Maybe he hasn't go for that because it's twenty one is is really Specific any peaks one day to go for a stage or something. I could be completely completely wrong. Maybe he'll finished third in the two example. Agai the auditing has too much treatments. Now let's move into some accommodation questions on the two on which is something you might have to answer all of these because on something. I've never done the worst accommodation. The Tour de France. tonk one eighty four again again. What you've done Harris Nays? Yeah but in the Tuna Franz now the This is Probably Cameo in those China's economy. The case in the rooms are just so small we know ECON and it's tour so we a couple of fans you literally accountability suitcase. It's the staff have to flip the Beta onside massage table. They should be a rule in a hotel. She'll be out to normal size soon day. But it's not possible so I I think the worst there is occasional the really the old family hotel else while you name because what often happens. These teams is splitting. details all teams are one hundred Chelsea market. A hotel too big a hotel a chain hotel we might get through teams that yeah which is crap situation houses just room teams require a lot of extra crap exactly on ice bag. It's more towels. Extra south of the Diaz. If you've got three or four teams in the hotels really clocked out. Lena's like why. Why did I ever get a cycling team? Got A hotel. A smaller hotel wave one team. They're detained the hotels. Don't collect the it's sort of like privileged to have ah fans to lava into the extra mall Asami like in Hawaii is we'll do it for that show or I was the worst movie really been served on a grand tour will grant. Who are? Actually I can answer this This is from nodoze. ABC's I would say one one. Tom Gerard. We sang this actually in France and was terrible. We actually your previous shift. Sean saved us. Actually Yeah We had a served as a cop of Ross each and I think it was chicken. I don't know we never used to take I shift to the euro because the food was always really good jet at initially and so we didn't have a chef and like we done a mountain stage bumpy thousand calories at night and we got a cup of rice and something that none of us and that was eight and we solicit ways the food and they said that's all we got tol that we had to give you So they had nothing so we would just a lot this indus. Try to look at what we're GONNA do go to another mountain stage the next day and shown the late Soleus I had it again. Gunman back in the day had to shift and Sean Shooters Resolve. Did some big stike and just put it on that title and allied and everyone else but didn't matter was just sixteen. Amman Mona's but with the worst food food that we've had but turned out to be one of the icon. Actually think sprinting probably often. You get it when you get in very light. The hertel shifts. Its preempt that bad and I think one thing for Ron. Unstained is often these tails Ken. Mike would food but they get a menu from the rights also a budget a budget and menu from the rice. The rice side side of them. You need to have a mate need to have a pasta or a Ross and a salad and sometimes I take that literally anger while that's literally will only GonNa get a- and sometimes you look across because the staff just get the hotel meal which is one of that. WanNa Mike and you like. Why are you get pretty? BIKING also get fleet to to get good stop True furniture attritional questions. Then any mention site probably driving on the hot ties. Islam is coming out. So what's your hydration protocol looking to the tool generally moist as you just pretty hot and dry in the morning. I'm I'll be Mineral Salts in your what you monitoring Alita later and a half fullest is from when you wake up twenty stop June the stage age You're trying to put away to on really helped ice ray bottles now and I could be a mixture of carbohydrates it's minerals and just playing water what you can do you can have too much carbohydrate. Not Enough water stomach starts to shut down the hall is that's what's always tricky an imposed ideology to the wife. Why I'm so in the morning by myself stage workout roughly two kilos all three kilos? Or what about. And then I'll try and drink at minimum for I get off the bus and later and a half recent minerals and salts in it and then if I've lost more than probably normal I'd Pronto Navy. Now the one before dead but yet I mean we're pretty onto it now. Pain Doctors Tame Nutritionists. Two hundred one extra thing. That wage is that we have a urine checked in the morning. So yeah that's true to a little urine pot. What in discussing the doctor just checks the density of that and if I were not what is the range that you I'm I'm always normally look cola ten but I think it's like zero point? Zero zero one is the density aca uh any feel like. Yeah if you're above. I think if you're above thirty that's detrimental. Not Digital thing. Thing is like okay. You need a sauntering in favorite award for the stage show but I- range between ten and twenty. I got for anyone. It doesn't have these values are GonNa Roll but pretty much they do. Just check the density and just say lock you pretty hard drive. You've got a few hours Starts The twelve o'clock or eleven Su Su few hours in the morning. I could be more care back. Games some fluids even before the start of the stage is in terms of other rod is in the Peleton is there a special bond between Swain Aussies in the Peleton that extend or different teams. This is from secondhand sock list. Will I guess doing might you that we have. I guess it's True Fultz a yeah I think so I think we initially removed both on grain edge. I get the feeling that it felt like most strandings were on that team in the beginning you know there are a couple. Gaza saw that we chatted to Seen says he's everyone's dispersed a bit uh-huh and yet we we talk across the teams There is a special bond between the Ozzy's unite once once everything calms down on the break. Weisgall and he sort of Funny Self Ma grinding back to your friends. which generally Australians just having seen wagon getting back into the rising what languages spoken in the pellets? Home does this. This affects communication. How do you communicate tactical instructions without other teams hearing? This is from palm deter year. I think the biggest biggest language in perishables now's English Mo If you're on a chain that snowden English then you need to that language that's also tricky for all these go to say French team or Spanish because I speak Spanish on the radio. The French radio We all have different channels that were on saw. You can't hear another attain. What about if you're riding along next to someone and you'll sign ACI? We're going to attack on the hill at kilometers. Sixty Cape it to yourself. Alf if it had you do that well you can't be on your radio running next to me could he. Within you've already hood haven't even. How would you do that? Well you go back to the car and improvisation or you try and fund discreetly decide. It's not really why around you can do he. May I guess so. I think it makes that much that much difference really. I think in that case when you sign something so specific like that you would go back to the car yet taping. You would just get the there would be a plane from the boss. Yup and you might be like can you in the team routier to the s the director Steve. Can you repeat this morning's plan on the radio to everyone place in that plan Margot through the headline and Avon would here. Then I mean if I'm moving up in the bunch nausea rod in front of me and I know he's from France from spying. Whatever I'll choose? He's language to let let oncoming poss even challenge in front of me. I'll kill which means I'm coming past. Pay attention you just said I can trickily you know fawn out so you don't say excuse me excuse me or Lou doesn't make any sense. Muslims speak English anyway. But I'll choose etain to on you. Tend to speak a bit. More of the language of the country are rising buster or on some random questions. Now let me get you you want. What are some of the strange unusual items? You have seen your teammates pack and the worst thing you lost or left behind it a grand tour this is from jet thrown Nagel strangest things. I remember Kristie. Reinsen had these Matt. I think you've got one year acupuncture giamet. Yeah it's like a it's like an a Nile Matt it's like Roll Emerson that upside-down Niles in new leona peaches of people table lying on beds. It's like what is it. It's basically that super super a solid ally on. But it's like sorta stimulates stimulate. The nerves was on new back row relaxed Audrey right it. I think it's a great thing but yes that's that's one of the leaders. Sign his room with Chris in the Jira to head out unusual unusual Matt's lying on the on the bid on the bed on the ground you know about a- yeah you got a little bit of cushion on the eighth Kazaa diamond to give gives you some damage. What is the worst thing you've left behind the Last year the G. R.. 'cause you always let's get you kid so as a little bit wet and so you hanging up on the card hangings yup and often to lane. Sometimes you close the commodore whenever you like like all my kids demand for the next morning I'll get it out and the specific day. I just didn't get it out and went to the stage and it was. I had anarchy uncle my extricate suitcase suitcase gone in the truck. Okay and how are they. I was like all my kid shit and so I wanted this. One is just laughed. He was leaving emit light up. He turned around. He went back to the hotel. Coral kit the importance of the size. Stop probably the cross. Read one of you all all. This is like not that bad. Have these like Moroccan sandals that I bought from Morocco I wear around the hotel precious to me and I I left them. Second Data Jira but During the hotel rang the hotel suites. One Yeah Mine. had a night who lived close When picked him out there at showed him to the rest? I go back so but yeah you always lose your rights strap every now and then things like Gammons and now charge charge you. John Soak in the shell that you might have exactly who stays in twenty one tails and doesn't lose some lane freeways. Well that's another one done luke. Dervishich always fun to have on the PODCAST. Make make sure you stockpile your questions. Because I love doing a mile bag with luke to just remember Jimmy Wheeler races just around the corner. Thanks to everyone on suckling. podcast they halloween. What we mean produce these little mini series and thanks for the future producing? They're going to do this season to really looking forward to it. Thanks to lower behind the scenes to add law from the Peleton and goes until the Knicks little EPA side. Geez you have mainly seen to laugh in the peleton on the producer of this episode was will joins. The music was composed by Pete Shelley thank my.

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