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Part 3:Brian Sanfratello, Nick Tammaro

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49:25 min | 5 months ago

Part 3:Brian Sanfratello, Nick Tammaro

"Race until the jockey club gold cup. And that was when albert degrade wired the field and albuquerque was a very very good horse very. I think under a pre under appreciated horse. I think the three year old that year in two thousand were better from top to bottom Food safety pegasus aside. And so that was you know. There's no surprise by the year. The end of the year that they had caught up to the be elders if not surpass them a bit was was there. Was there a stranger. Breeders cup classic. Then that ninety nine that kathy wins at twenty one. No definitely not in fact. I remember that breeders cup was you know i. It was the first time the phillies turf was run and And it was actually the closest. Christopher lamont has come to winning a race he lost of course to Twelve to the jimmy toner name. I can't remember right now. Soaring softly And then you know there were some other really big horry chevette fan so i was pleased with our tax and beautiful pleasure and day seemed like it was making so much. Then you had one good horse after another winning unease was the only upset and then that was by far and away. I think. I mean i think in a way probably vote. Pony are kong obviously is the gold standard. But we'll tony was somewhat shocking. Breeders cup winner but cats each given the way he had run in a couple of races leading into that breeders cup with improbable a winter. As i think you might have tried. I agree and and for those that. If you wanna see a chart i that was just astounding. Kathy wins by like that. A quarter at nineteen sixty two one. Bud royal was second For ted west at twenty six fifty one golden missile was third at seventy five to one and chester house was fourth at sixty three to one. After a bad start to and came flying and the dollar super it was listed as six hundred ninety. Two thousand a the try. The two dollar try was thirty. Nine thousand it was. Let me tell you if anybody out there. Hit my hats off to him. That was That was absolutely insane. I i mean and the execution of course was that either. Lemon drop kid or barons. We're gonna run well river teen. I think was pretty fancied after winning equipped gold cup and they were just all shows. Chesser house was first time. First time dirt. First time in america yes. He ended up going on to win the arlington million the next year. And you know turned out to be a perfectly fine. Tur- wars there was no expectation is going to be able to run on dirt so crazy crazy crazy resolve and and i think that no big part of it was inside on that track that day good. Yes and that's certainly helped these along didn't necessarily help anybody who finished underneath them but it definitely carry cash run beautiful pleasure our tax to an extent but boy what would we give that old gulfstream oval and great back in the backyard. Well ninety nine that breeders cup also marks Memorable from mike cohen down. My i live experience as part of carolina. Barbecue was came at came at that. Breeders go so that was good they we're talking we we should. We be brought up ninety nine because yesterday was the twenty first anniversary of the pilot episode of the sopranos. How well you never know you never know what whacking this is going to invade the conversation. Good job i love nick. I wanted i wanted you. I reached out because the three the three multi race sequences that had force outs. Friday and saturday Friday night turf way. We talked about actually with ed and They had the pick five races one through five and that was a forty seven hundred dollar result with a six joyce a favorite a seventh choice a favourite an second choice seventeen sixty four forty four hundred forty perr utes just boots home prices and then four sixty nine forty and so if you were able to find you know the to tricky horses to find in that sequence but it was really Saturday and did back to back in the afternoon. The gulfstream sequence and then the sam houston The last of the jackpot space city six and two very good starting Nights for sam. Houston two and a half million. Both friday and saturday Let's let's touch on on these sequences neck. I dunno where if you wanna do. Sam houston or or the gulfstream action but You know gulfstream paid fourteen thousand six hundred had over five million bed into it and the this was very reachable. It was a little bit of a ticket building. Exercise by this was eminently hit Third choice second choice. Fifth choice third choice favorite and second choice and it paid fourteen six. Yeah yeah you know. And i think that i think one of the keys to it is that you you can't alter your approach from the way you would normally approach a different type of wager or you know if you're an old two dollars pick six player. How differently should you approach putting together a play and twenty cent pool on force out day and i think that the the key to it of course i mean at the end of every exercise in betting. You're going to be dealing with making sure that you assign the right The right weight and options to horses that you like. Obviously you need to make the right age. And he sees if. That's what you do if you're a caveman ticket player you do wanna find whomever in the sequence you really want to back up in terms of A backup accentuate In terms of who. You might wanna play again. I know people who like to play multiple caveman tickets where they might have a single in certain leg and build around that and maybe a couple of tickets a with that runner singled and different horses at different levels races around. So you know. I think that the the sixth leg of it of course if regularly i mean i'm regularly pick five player. The sixth leg of it often can add a little bit of. I wouldn't wanna say chaos obviously depends on the sequence but if forces you to be as as precise as possible with assigning who. You like how you're going to use them and you don't wanna find yourself simply saying oh well you know it's a twenty cent vets can use as many as i'd like and that sequence of gulfstream on saturday started with afford a one shot I think the third choice in ordinal bedding. And you know you're talking about bring by teeth for a high percentage barn sprint on the turf. Very obvious source coming down from belmont. Henny penny who had competed well in new york in the past and was taking a class drop and and then you had a somewhat similar words in the second leg which who was the second choice made a lot of sense these horses that were going to be pretty much. Everybody's tickets and then you get to a horse like citrus burs to ten to one and this is one where you probably needed to be a little bit more aggressive In order to find a bad horse. But you know if you if you had used a and the other problem i was. There was a three to two like. She made a lot of sense. So that was the concern Because really what these boil down to. How much are you taking the favourite. How much you taking other options. How deeper you going. And if the first four legs of the sequence lack the favorite and you had two of them beaten that under two one that you got to the tropical turf where the favorite ended up winning but know the three choices were basically all that you about the same level and they went up between two and three to one. So you didn't really get a break anywhere where you could say okay. There's of course that. I really wanna really wanna sink my teeth into and and us quite a bit and so you know the seven to two winner in the nightcap ended up getting the fourteen thousand that you said and really we're talking about sequence that had one horse that was maybe a little bit of a of an outside the box type and we're talking about a ten to one thirty two one shot or anything like that so it really looking at both of them together Looking at looking at tim houston next. The gulfstream one was. It was a lot of sensible and logical horses that you could easily have had. You could easily have used every one of them. If you're kind of an abc tickets structure believer But not had them on the right thing ticket because that was. That's where you have to balance out the backups. With the main exactly and that. That's what got tricky. And i and it's funny the horse the horse for me that That it was actually two different places. Where we're using this for me. Was the pick five. Pick six i. I simply didn't spend enough. I had all the horses identify. That wasn't the issue But the In the six races three of the winters were on my pecking. Order were fourth choices and there are circumstances where you might be able to craft a play that you know that that has that many fourth choices on the same ticket. But you know that that's it's like a billiard shot citrus burst. It was a horse. That i i really especially at the at the morning line price. I thought you know. Here's a horse that that has got the ability to win here. And i made I made him a and that decision ends up costing the pick five and the pick five eight four thousand. And i hit the hit the pick for nick for seven hundred dollars and and i'm glad and it made the day worthwhile but i mean a forty two hundred for that pick five at the. Have everybody easily identified. And i i you know i just i really was kicking myself and one at and that includes a backup ticket. Where at one point. I had had a comet as my second choice behind kasa creed and shunted him back You know in the in the pecking order. And that you know either him or citrus burst needed to be a and Instead of a c one or the other and in fact if they're both you know if i somehow get them both the right in terms of preference Hit the thing twice you know. Suddenly it's eight thousand. I mean i these are you know these are. You can assuage yourself by saying well i hit the you know you got six hundred and change and you paid for the day but now that doesn't not not when you leave not when you leave forty two hundred on the table when you absolutely you know had all the is dotted t.'s. Crossed the in. You just didn't follow through. Yeah i think the best thing. I could say to describe that was i remember sitting with tommy masses at a contest at gulfstream and i it hit a trip back the and i said boy if the four course of gotten third this thing would have paid so much more but i guess i can't complain because at least i hit and he said nonsense. I'm a pig. I want it all what you ask. You gotta figure out exactly right. I mean it's it's a you said to me. That's the losers mccallum. So that's that's of course. Tommy exaggerating pat. But you know we. We all know why he's good at that period and it is because we want to figure out how to get all of it. I mean it's nice to hit a pick four and make a profit and you know but we all wanna we wanna find a way to to hone our skills and fine tune the way we're putting our tickets together so that we can hit something bigger. You know why why hit four when you can hit a pick five and you know one of the things that i guess one of the things that's made me slightly better. Pick five player. I'm not particularly cooks later. I just have no background with it. At all. And i think these source outs tend to be They tend to be bad examples. They're they're really dangerous way of trying to make yourself a better. Pick six player because you are. You're swimming with sharks and you're also generally dealing with big fields competitive rates and things like that so structuring tickets and pick sixes can be very very difficult but I think one of the things that makes you a better pick five players when you write your numbers down and you take a look at what you wanna do the sequence you have to look back and make sure that you're you're doing the right thing in terms of approaching what could become chaotic you know. Do you have something clever on your tickets. If you don't and you feel confident in it then you need to bet your ticket for more right. I mean if you're generally that are one dollars player and you feel like there might be an opportunity for you to go to buy one by two by three by one. And he's talking about twelve dollars. You may want to put that in two or three dollars more. Well well and and riff on that for a second neck. And maybe if you wanna on if you want well we'll save the sam houston for next the The differentiate between spending more. And and i appreciate you know how you how you couched the pick six portion of the discussion. But i came away feeling like instead of spending sixty e i personally i probably needed to spend one hundred and twenty to one hundred and fifty if i was going to seriously attack that the gulfstream pick sex and that has never been. I preferred approach and and i really at the same time. Can't hold myself back from putting in the you know the the modest budget ticket thinking. And seth merrin. I've discussed this a million times. You know Seth scott the you know small ticket idea that when i'm right on It's going to pay for any time. I've missed a. I'm in the i'm in the camp that says i. I wanna take a swing at this. But i'm not. I'm just not going to spend hundreds. And i see plenty of people that that take the approach where they're spending hundreds even on fiqh fours and fives in some cases and there are occasions where that pays off and people are getting five digit scores ten thousand and above and and you know mid five figure hits spending you know two hundred three fifty five and six hundred i to me to me. I can't even if i had unlimited budget i would. I don't think i would do that. And i just at the same time you get frustrated thinking to yourself you know you. You wouldn't hurt to throw another sixty eighty dollars at this and you would have really given yourself at least the best chance to it. Yeah and a lot of that is gonna come down to trial and error. You know they're going to be sequences. Where you you bad and you think to yourself boy. If i bet a little bit more i would have hit for more. It's not always that simple right. I mean it's not. I know the there was a tremendous amount of fineness. The jockey club. Sam houston for one of the guys in there who bet a pick six every day in new york and he spent between two and eight dollars and so somebody said one day boy if we just each gave joe twenty bucks and let him put it into the pick six then he'd probably win left and right and i said you sure about that. Because now he's going to become a much he's gonna become a lazier handicapper and he's going to say well. I got more money to spend. So i'm just gonna use more horse and he's probably gonna win at about the same rate but obviously he's gonna make a smaller profit and so that's the concern. Is that are you. You know where you betting are. Are you spending more money. Because you simply want more coverage because if you're doing that than if you're a mid range budget type of player you probably should be sitting out right. You should be looking for sequences that fit your budget if it's something where you feel like you're somewhat limited by your capital if you have money if you have a sequence that you particularly like the not needs to become a situation where you say to yourself okay. I'm going to really go after this one. I might sit out three or four in this pool over the next couple of days. If i'm you know fairly like it's aggressive recreational player oxymoron. That is but you know that might be your approach. Because what you're trying to do is make a profit on that one where you have a good opinion so you know take take santa anita opening day for example if you felt strongly about a worse like charlatan and maybe you felt like there was a an avenue for duopoly and those were two horses that right within obviously you wanna structure many multi rates backed as possible accentuating those two using them prominently and trying to cash. And you could have done very very well if you would have found your way into fair maiden and me in the nightcap winter so you have to let the sequence dictated you. Can't i don't think you can say to yourself. I have one hundred dollars to play the pick five. Let me look at the five. I just. I don't think that that's a lie approach and i think in the long run. You're going to end up hurting yourself. I think that sets approach that. You alluded to nepal matisse soccer. Right about this bed a little to make a lot and understand that you're going to lose the overwhelming majority of the time as long as you have the right psyche and the right amount of confidence in your process. That's fine because i mean let's not kid ourselves we're all going to go through prolonged losing streaks. We're gonna go through time where we're handicapping. Well we're getting no lock on the race track. We're going to go through times where we're not handicapping. Well at all we're not betting well it's cetera et cetera. But if you can if you can find yourself if you can pick up the sunday racy forum after you went through saturday and you may have played one or two tracks and not hit that. Then go with it. Keep keep going with that. If you're somebody that kind of needs to to see things go the right way once and you'll start to bet with more confidence and you want to be careful about taking that approach and maybe only spending sixteen or thirty two dollars on a sequence and waiting to cash for big type of money. The problem that that. I've always seen with people that take that kind of approaches that you don't wanna waste good price sources and you don't want you know if you were somebody that liked citrus burst on saturday and you didn't hit the pick six. I really hope you bet him to win right. Because you need that that twenty three dollars and change in order to to to kind of keep yourself afloat. You and i were texting opening date. Santa anita lamenting that. I keep fair maiden with two horses that finished off the board and so i didn't feel terrible because i didn't really love fair maiden now i definitely should've got her to win. If she was a horse that had had keyed her and not better to win somehow missed the try. I mean i would have been. I was very very upset. Because you just can't you can't miss those opportunities. So that's the. I think that's the best approach to take. And if you're somebody that's that's really jumping into these pick sixes to get back to the origins of conversation on force out days then. Don't want to let your bankroll limit. you want. Wanna go through the sequence. Get a sense of what it looks like and you know it might be one of those days. There was a forced out day on new year's eve. Twenty nineteen to twenty twenty-eight act where it looks like it's going to be exceptionally chalky and favorites one. Three of the. I four legs the second choice one the fifth like and then like a nine to one. I started when the last. I didn't get paid a couple thousand and it was a great opportunity for somebody that could have put you know sixty dollars into it to make a couple of grants so look at. It seems kind of sequence. That might be an opportunity for you to you. Know to get after it and i mean. Let me tell you a great opportunity for that right now and i am. I am completely unpaid spokesperson time. Somebody wants to be an advocate for horse players. Start betting geico pick six that this act pick six with a twenty percent takeout and a mandatory daily pay. Because it's going to be a great and let's not kid ourselves mean the racist but much better Dish this current meet than it's been in past years but they're not going to be dealing with twelve horsfield fields one after another. You're not gonna be you're you're you're going to be looking at you're gonna get great information. On the telecast about track biases and things like that But it's gonna be a good opportunity for you to start to get a little bit more involved in structuring tickets and seeing how you wanna play sequences and then of course you have pick five gonna pick four to back you up if you somehow get knocked out of the pick six. It's from a low price point. It has a low low takeout so to speak for a pick six so that that's a good opportunity. And these are the kind of vets that we need to be putting our money into to show track management and you know the industry in general that yeah there is you know they may not be a ton of it there is some price sensitivity and there is some attention paid to kind of pools that really benefit us most being involved. And i'm glad you brought the the ecuador portion in because you you had a little mini thread where you know. You had a back to back Post about it. Yesterday i got distracted. And i meant to re circulate it. So i'm glad you included that in the conversation Because obviously you tony alvarado and the team or going to evaluate you. Know the the approach going forward based on how they do with it here. These next three weeks In the early returns are are positive. And i maintain with sam houston starting thursday going to a standard pick sex no more jackpot starting thursday and a very aggressive pricing. The there's there's every reason the sense that There's a pendulum swing going away from the jackpot concept. I'm sure that stronach contracts will will continue with it because they you know they. They crafted it and have had six. You know big success with it And that's understandable that they that they'll maintain it but You know those that that kinda got in. I'm anxious to see where churchill's thoughts are in the spring because churchill actually Hasn't gotten enough credit for. They have one but their pricing structure is very different than everybody else's and they. It's not as usery. It's not it's not structured as as oppressively as most of the others but i think I think the pendulum is coming back in the other direction. Let's talk about that sam. Houston portion and You know these first. Two nights of of racing. Nick came off very well. The force out on saturday people right away of sure were feeling you know like they. They took a took a coke bottle to the head With the longest shot on the board Go all the way. I i know that jessica made a case For this one going long on the turf that that he had something that you could you could use as a foundation for backing him. I went back. And i just didn't really see it. The horse in the nightcap. That paid thirty one. I could much more easily. Make a case for heavenly rhythm at the end but talk about what we saw at. Sam houston on saturday night. Yeah and was. It was basically that it was a couple of price horses. What was otherwise a pretty forceful sequence and I mean he could go all the way who was thirty to one of the morning line. I mean hunting kind of underlying He seems very very hard to find. And i think it's not so much because you couldn't find some things to like about that particular horse but you know it felt like the majority of the time that race was run. It was going to be one by one of the six. And then they sort of inexplicably get involved in pay stool and the one obviously family issues which we talked about a little bit on friday And so he you know he could pitch elated readily the three sixteenths poll and six was done as well from being on the chase. You know one thing about sam used in turf especially early in the need is that I mean even though the weather is is very moderate here. It's it's still of course it has a little bit more moisture than it would later in the so. It's a little difficult to quicken. And you're going to see the times gets low. It actually snowed in houston yesterday for what it's worth. It's lead in a little bit on my car. I drove to pick up a vietnamese soup but not anything significant so there was probably supposedly like eight inches in north texas which is full out panic but But anyway so you know that he could go all the way. Got a great trip. Save ground kicked out got the job. Done beat flexibility. Who seemed like a pretty. You know pretty obvious us. Then after that you had you know one sort of formed full results after another ultimate one six race and was expected to do so Got up right on the wire over bobby brinkley. They were the one to first and second choices And then the the Jr called while winner of the eighth was probably the only maybe slight surprise at at four to one or so Other than that you had bear bryant. Got up right on the wire in the seventies the the second choice behind vegas guy and then the nineteenth winner who is trained by scott. Young urban wisdom ran very well and And it was another know. We're supposed to use even if you were only too deep and in that got us the nightcap where the two favorites were very questionable and it ended up that the two three and four one off the the choices and half the entry felt like either the entry like they could be competitive. What are the things that went on. Was that The one plane got it very very good ride. I slept some work to do it. Fell to me is the night were on. The rail was bad. There were a few horses that spent a significant amount of time on the inside and ended up. Tiring one of them vegas guy One of them was onomatopoeia. Who i liked him. The ninth and just had no punch whatsoever trying to come through on the inside and basically every winner was kind of an outside rally or as the night were on. So that's something. I'll take a look at it and obviously we'll let everybody know what my conclusions are But so this was a sequence where you know the mrs anecdotal on my part is not studied it. I've even asked anybody looks kind of information. The biggest price you had was in the first leg. I've always believed that. It's it's less significant. Have a big price in the first leg in terms of payoffs than any other because so many people want to get out of that first leg and simply being alive and so i think there are more opportunities for people to go deeper than in there than there really are anywhere else so you know you look at the breeders cup this year right. I know five different people who had to pick four because they use all in the mile it was the first like you know and and maybe that's simply just as i said. Maybe that's anecdotal. Maybe that's something that can't be but isn't concrete but still. I don't think he could go all the way. Being in the third or fourth leg would have. I think it would've actually made a even less likely horse to be on tickets then within being in the first leg so this was a sequence where you needed to take what looked like a relatively competitive race on paper. Go as deep as you could he issued for. Somebody like me would have been if i didn't use could go all the way at all but if you had used him as a backup you needed to be right and five consecutive legs or if you like them may be good enough to be a be then. You need to have four as win in a row which i was reasonable for most people and then have the the entry in the nightcap is at least if you were playing to be tickets so it was a very very tough result and And look you're rewarded handsomely if you were able to connect on it but It was you know it was a fun sequence. And and i'm hopeful that there will be a lot of support for a fifty cent pick six to twelve percent take out. Which is what. Sam houston is going to be doing starting on thursday when racing zoos and yeah i mean i think there's an actually houston like churchill as you were saying the price point on the on the structure of the jackpot that it has twelve percent take out and thirteen percent went to carry over so basically was a twenty three and a half twenty four percent effective takeout and of course what that means is that the carryover grow slowly right in the places. That are doing jackpot. That's that that are really handling big money. Their defective takeout is in the neighborhood of sixty seventy percent and even gulfstream's is close to fifty. That's the carryover pool gross so much and so my hope with with the naira. I actually just learned this morning that they did not pay out the pick. Six in month of january twenty twenty so. The comparison year to year is going to be apple to apple. Now as the carry over pod grew the handle also grew but it kind of tapered off later in january so the comparison is going to be fair. It did not pay out until the second week in february in twenty twenty it also handled two and a half million dollars that day. So that's the thing to remember that these jackpots are always going to have a huge cool When when they're paid out you know the things you remember about that is that that pool is going to be made up of money. That is not the money that made the carryover grow. And that's difficult for the re regular player whether they're somewhat serious or even recreational overall the neck quick Thoughts about the two nights. Friday as well. The support from the public outstanding. I mean it's it's good to see hundred thousand dollar. Pick four pick five pools sam. Houston i know that that franken staff. Chris did a great job with marketing. And getting the word out and Two and a half million dollars on opening night ten houston. I'd have to ask frank. But i i i wanna say i think that's the most they've had this century so going all the way back to you know. Meet us open in november But that's a really really strong number really good racing the first couple of nights and the next three cards all look good. The the britain resume on thursday. So yeah i mean it's all leading towards That january thirty first date with the houston. Ladies classic and the john connolly on the same program i think things are things are looking like. They're going to be very very strong. Houston and houston in the middle of a tremendous meet in two thousand twenty before the pandemic railway. I think it would have kind of been the early season. Standard for handle increases handle was up. I wanna take thirty percent similar to what it was up They've up even more through the first couple of nights. But yeah i think it's gonna continue that direction and i encourage people looking for a nighttime signal to to take a good hard look at it. There's not a whole lot going on that time of night especially later on wants to flee and you'll get good opportunity. Thursdays are going to be very interesting. I would think because they're gonna sort of be the first of the the night tracks with the four o'clock local start and that's going to get them a little bit in front of turf way. And i think what what frank was looking forward to try and fit into the niche that sin anita would have had if they were racing on thursdays so hopefully We'll get some southern california support as well so should be should continue to be a very funny well and we'll feature Will feature analysis much like we did with. Indiana will attack that The thursday slot as well each week. The meat at sam houston s. Hrp sam houston race park and nick. I appreciate The the monday visit and we'll we'll talk Later in the week of course Forty mentioned that we got a big fairgrounds. And if you've had this saturday at fairgrounds but that's crazy it's going to be a very good day racing and the weather is going to cooperate. So feels like feels like we're really this. This was the weekend that kind of thing gets the wheels in motion and starting to you know starting to train starting to pull out of the station for twenty twenty one lead exactly and dam and ta m m one two one five nick tomorrow. Everybody will talk to nick later in the week right. Now we've got about fifteen minutes to close out the morning and we'll get to fill d'amato tomorrow and of course anti certainly will join us as well but It didn't get to fill today. I feel bad song tamar the and obviously we'll have day one of the sale which is now forty five minutes into the four day run. Brian san fratello us from the pennsylvania. Horse breeders and brian happy new year. Happy new year to you. Steve unlikely to act up and running right got to you. Got to be girded for everything And you got to be prepared Certainly with the start of the the foaling season and talked about this with sid fernando on on wednesday. The babies are starting to drop. We're starting to see first foles from a first year stallions and it's also Stallion auction season and that includes the pennsylvania horse breeders association. You guys have been doing this for over ten years. Yep yep we Start this evening. Bid nyc actually midnight tomorrow morning On our eleven nine season all right now we have approximately seventy five eighty stallions but were seasons but we are adding more as we speak Really yeah we're adding in And always dreaming from windstar Where We're going to be adding something. Surely from spendthrift is waiting for mark toothache or to get back to me On that and she proved to be another good season You can View all the stallions right now online at p. bread dot com under our stein season auction But if you want to bid on them you want to go to thoroughly bread dot com That's The online auction site and sign up for a free registration. So you'll be ready to go the auction's going to last approximately a week Again it'll start Midnight tonight and end on the eighteenth at nine pm and Pretty easy to You know to register four We have Stallions from Five different state Nice nice contingent from pennsylvania And you definitely want to take a look at those pennsylvania Horses because of the fact that the breeder awards are so lucrative He raised that horse in pennsylvania Yeah you're talking fifty percent breeder award for maiden races first through third and forty percent for all others If you If you don't breathe to a pa style you you still have twenty five percent per year awards For main races and Twenty percent for all there's so It's a great program and it's a great way to start off by getting a good deal on a season. Well and you know one thing that from year to year people may forget just because it's the pennsylvania Horse breeders association i. It's not as as brian just referenced. It's not just pennsylvania stallions you've got new york represented in here and maryland kentucky There's lots choose from and for those. That might have missed out on the on the way you might have gone. There might be any number actually of of crossovers that you made a play for On friday at the auction and get price the price out and come back and take a look here because there's not just the the single season there's a few of the stallions that have got multiple seasons and we should feature that sky kingdom at darby. Dan you got the chances of three seasons Smarty others smarty jones seasons so it's not limited to one up count charlie brown who's been really a a story that that needs more attention from limited opportunities throw nothing but runners Warriors reward has got a pair as well at widow so This is a list that that really should be reviewed. There's you know there's names on here that Is going on that really going to surprise you that you know some first year stallions at all these different venues. Yep definitely definitely take a look At the at the auction Like i said You're ready to roll in In twenty twenty one No better way than get a good deal on on the sale also also just like to bring up the fact that if you're buying a mayor in foal right now at the keeneland sale you have fourteen days to bring that mayor into pennsylvania. Drop that mayor in pa and be eligible for the pa program. So Another good way to get involved in boy. That's a timely. How about i i. I did not know that that Because usually mayor residency is typically much longer. Right it's usually a ninety day period or soap. so that's a fascinating little sidebar. Yup yup usually at the be. The mayor has to be in estate state by december first. Yeah but but You know if you bring her in the within fourteen days a sale after december first and And she falls in She'll be eligible for the program. It should also note that You know in some cases a lot of cases with the stallion seasons their nonguarantee. But as it happens you've got quite a few on this roster that that you know is a live foal condition as opposed to a non guarantee season. Yep yep we try to get as many as you know as we can That are Live phones but You know some of the Some of the sanctions on their you know the the higher priced. Ian's get a life full well. The candy rides Candy ride on this list and that of that ilk You know you understand but Some some most of seemingly all the pennsylvania stallions are live fall. We talked to mark cassie earlier today. Air force is on this list. Echo is training and breeding this kind of skimming down command post that win oaks. Live foal Greatest cat at quest royal and We've got. I've got a nice courageous cat. We got minute. Mouse and crown of thorns equa star. These are both live foal Going down here. Who else we got. Four billion up at my computer. Just got golden lead. Also nice little golden lab action nice. Here's majestic city at irish hill and duchess view. And this is this really is a nice list going up and down lanes. The lanes then was very generous with you too Liam's map mineshaft is a quite a quite a bit to mr speaker Darby dan end lanes in both the with a hatful of of their stallions. Absolutely lanes end and some of the other ones have been really great to us over the years as far as the seasons are are concerned so you know we've You know we. We developed You know relationship with a lot of kentucky farms and And it works for both of us and as you mentioned we'll watch for always dreaming to be added. And you mentioned that you just added golden land clamp down here for darby dan honor code honore p gift. Box lanes end is mentioned mile. Really nice. this is. This is a is a midshipman There's there's a lot to consider in here and starting tomorrow and midnight or actually tonight at midnight and going through monday so we'll remind people Going into The weekend and then of course next monday as well. Yep i just like to remind everyone that you know if you're getting non-guaranteed season You can Purchase insurance on that to cover you know for those higher price science. nice brian. We got about two three minutes Give us a little update. We haven't spoken since the fall and The the program and the opportunities obviously coming out of Coming out of the cove effective year. That that really touched everybody From eerie to the ben salem Talk about Looking back at the year and surviving essentially. Yeah i mean. The stallion farms did a fantastic job during It you know making sure that that You know everyone was safe as as they. You know i'd say mayors in for for breeding and you know quite frankly The you know. I didn't I wasn't sure i how you know. How the What's going to go but it actually went quite well. you know one of the things that that we also Uh talked about was The governor's proposal to take money from the resource development. Trust fund which which did not happen as you know. We put that funding in trust in two thousand seventeen and you know the backing behind. Not touching that on Really was Was fantastic legislature. So i wanted people to understand that Because the first thing they think about it all the money be there. Because we're you know we're looking to to You know three years down the road for years in a row before your radio network and You know it You know knock on wood. Everything went Went well money was not touch during that period and hopefully people will understand that. We're going to do what we can do. And make sure that you know that money goes where it's supposed to two breeding racing in pennsylvania and when we when we talked about it and when we had tommy thompson on the you know the the concern just the headlines. The was enough to you. Know to make people worry and In terms of mayors bread one one does that report when do we. When do we hear those numbers well. The mayor's bred mares bred was port came out and we were up You know we're up again I think it was approximately five percent so again for You know fourth straight year. We've been up Proximity You know since seventeen Approximately fifty some up in pennsylvania when the rest of the country is approximately fifteen percent. Dow so I you know. I can thank you. No thank those breeders for hanging in there and You know bringing their mayors and You know and and breeding to in pennsylvania so Again like. I said you know when i first looked at twenty twenty You know i said i saw. I don't know how this is gonna work out with everything that's going on but you know it just it just a you know the the the breeders staying parts did a fantastic job. Well we We'll start to hear about Babies and watch for we'll watch for fuzzy falls to start dropping and we'll certainly keep everybody. Keep them alerted to this terrific list. Start you can make it easy. Start at pa. Bread dot com and The the auction is featured right in the center. You'll see the whole You know the whole list of stallions but the sale itself is at thoroughly. Bread dot com. And this is. This is a nice listen. There might be a very nice opportunity to match up. Exactly the styling that that you want for your mayor and we'll we'll keep everybody checking in on it Lots of time to you. Got a literally a week from tonight. through till next monday evening. Brian continued success and We'll We'll check in as the as the season unfolds. Thanks great talk nigga as usual my pleasure. Brian san fratello everybody. The pennsylvania breeders association. The bread dot com. And you can follow Brian brighter farm the farm on on twitter as well. There you go. I i was. I think we had this conversation. Maybe last year. And i. But i had forgotten that There are so many other other stallions from the region and from kentucky included. So take a look. Callie met with a bunch as well. A lot of first crop. First time stallions the represented going to have to could have to look it over and haven't we haven't not. We haven't made decisions ourselves with the way i want to. We want to see the baby that that voltaren delivers in march. That was a fast Monday monday's always a blur. Thanks and to marquette. And nick tomorrow and brian san fratello kc with more. Good luck with your playing today. Limited limited choices a racing today. But it's okay back with you tomorrow. Nine o'clock you missed anything. Replaces the nine or stephen dot com little archive in the pod. 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"Sirius xm ports presents. With steve horse racing handicapping interviews. This is laurie who was stupid morning. Race fans serious to nineteen exempt to a one sport so nine sixty four siriusxm online at our website dot com Tough to Start the morning in a jovial fashion yesterday. Course i think by now most of you were aware of the barn fire at belmont and two horses of wayne. Pots did not survive the other fifty eight. It's a it's a barn that cold sixty the quick reaction of the community and barnes sixty sits right behind the rec center at the equivalent to the top of the stretch of the training track. I happen to be a barn. That said that. Mike guy gary echo was in for twenty five years so literally my entire connection to gary in the horses that we've had when we're at belmont has been that at barnes sixty and gary move to Gary golos Old in late fall and wayne pots and jeff englehart turn took over barn sixty and there is no of course greater fear and no more terrifying scenario at a farm at a racetrack Any any place that horses and cattle are housed than a a barn fire. They are obviously the when you talk about these kinds of facilities that are cramped. There dusty They store straw and hay. All over you know. Essentially you know any barn. That is a wood frame. It is is a tinderbox. I mean it's it's literally designed to to become a conflagration in seconds. I mean not a. It's not a slow process and then you fold in all the all. The extenuating conditions that typically are are culprits in in a barn fire. And you know you've got you got birds. Y'all got birds in and out of the barn building nests up by the lights in the winter. They particularly want to be near the lights and they you know they build their nests. Where there's going to be the warmth of you know of the of the lights there's heat lamps. Of course that keep horses. The horses warm so apply. You've got that problem. You've got mice and rats that are chewing on on installation and wiring. All the time. I i wrote to somebody somebody said you know. There's always gonna be somebody saying something ridiculous and stupid You know and. I responded to it on on twitter. About how how seriously any racetrack takes the conditions. There are full fire. Marshal's that there there are people that they don't wait around on a racetrack for inspections from the local fire department. You know once every six months you know like elevator inspections there are full time fire marshals on staff at racetracks that have their only job. All they do is go from barn to barn daily looking for frayed wiring looking for extension cords in properly used in a go. Forget you got you got people. You got the dorm in some cases You know the dorms are one thing and the new apartments are one thing But you know the older facilities. You know hot plates. And so forth. There's fire marshal's that at at naira particularly The one i'm most familiar with that are literally all day every day going from barn to barn and looking for problem spots and writing up and demanding the attention it for for. Just this reason This of course. I mean by all rights. I mean the the barn itself is is still largely pretty much intact The the elmont fire department got to it very quickly. Horses are horses are considering that their flight animals and everybody saw this. If we go back to the san louis ray situation if you saw the video horses are very strange in the setting they they will go even if you get them out and re rouse them out of their stall and pushed them out into the open they will come back with flames. They'll come back in. It's it's very very difficult than yeah. It's always a chaotic scene And you know that was not From the reports reports are more or less bits and pieces from everybody that responded and the community the whole backstretch. The immediately was gathering up horses. They were headed down all over the place and To be to be frank i it. It feels like the this could have been way worse. I mean the fact that it was at six o'clock in the afternoon in a makes it a little bit easier and then you know that there there was a the awareness was immediate. And so you know the response was was immediate and everybody rallied To help you get the worst out. you know both Are our wayne. Pots runners and wayne had over. What any three-quarter. More than three quarters of the of the barn forty forty something horses of his and and the other fifteen or eighteen of jeff anglers so thoughts to the owners and and connections and wayne his staff and the one thing that this did the first thing that i thought of an i had forgotten about the fire. That jimmy toner jimmy. Toner barn had a had a small fire. Too and i think lost three horses. But the one that you could tell Based on on some twitter conversations the one that is the most well known the most notorious really. was the nineteen eighty-six. The january eighty six fire. That started in the middle of the night and destroyed barn. Forty eight at the time and forty five horses taken the majority of johnny campos and You know smaller. Certainly new york new york players and stakeholders and backstretch community. Remember mike daggett and he lost nine horses and really never really never recovered from from Regarding you know a career. I saw some really. You could tell I to gary and gary was on the backstretch that night and rich mickley ori also In the morning at they've gary in an enrich you talk to me about the last night. I saw that Jennifer peterson she was working for mike daggett and then just how devastating sue finlay was working in the new york racing Associations press office had a it this shakes people up and you know. There's one name in here. That that. I i i should recognize to that. I'm sure that this effects ab steve lewandowski the longtime stewart in new york. He he was a trainer just starting out and he had one horse and it was in. It was in barn forty-eight and and he lost her and I've never i've never played i. I knew that that stephen had you know that was started out on on that side of the game. But i didn't realize that that part of the story. So i mean whenever you get whenever you get a barn fire and even you know with the ones that we've talked about you know we. We visited with clovis crane. And there's been on on training centers or on on private. You know private farm property it. It's very very scary. Terrifying for the animals. And and rich. And i'm sure ritual bring it up and when we talk next week but rich rich road. Something twitter that was that was quite something That he said horses when they would then after after that fire and eighty six. That horses were spooked by even going by the the the former barn which is wild. I hate to even talk about this. But when a horse when a horse particularly the racetrack when a horse dies if they're being cared for in their stall and then they're sick. When a horse dies the the the rest of the horses they know and the removing of of of the the stores. I the the horses are affected by it felt. Don't think for a minute that you know they're oblivious Not so it's a. You know. We documented so much of this with the san louis ray fire and that's why it such a heroic not just the saving horses but it was a roic it to get the ones that were you know that that suffered burns got them back to the races and successfully and it it's it torturous and the worst part of You know i. It's who who did we just talk to In the in the last couple of weeks and just said there's just one there's one challenge after another fat it this is. This is the most harrowing enterprise. Anywhere i you know. I'm sure there's professions that are that are that are dangerous in their own way. But there's there's there's something lurking every minute and taking taking care of them. And being you know being vigilant around the the horses and their their their personalities and then comes the something like this the ambient the ambient conditions so Appreciation to everybody and i'm sure more stories will come out today Dr greg a little bit. This morning dave still gathering some and and you know the specifics at this point become you know. Kind of secondary What's important. Is that fast response. And roic action a limited the the tragedy. So that was. That was last night's news. I just. I was talking to talking to j redmond last night and i said you re relentless they it's and that's why we have such appreciation and admiration for everybody. That's taking care of the horses from from the falls that drop last night the through to the consigners and trainers that were drilling yesterday at o. B. s. in preparation for next week. Sal straight through to the trainers that will send out two year old stinky linda and beyond and then into saturday and the apple blossom that i think has got people excited. And it's it's you know you gotta give oaklawn the acknowledgement regarding know this this extended calendar and it. Just you know right now. Between now and and derby between now and even the opening day at churchill kind of quiet so what a perfect time to have a show piece grade one event like the apple blossom and four horses were added to the mix with swiss skydiver and monoploy girl and be cognizant that There's there's some intrigue there really is Some intrigue in ear. And let me run down the field quickly. Another broad from the rail has now been with. Steve asmussen awhile and comes out of the the bio coa slop which was a bit of a the asko fell out of it and just kind of managed her around Ricardo santana junior gets back aboard was back on her last fall at churchill. The fall city. Swiss skydiver from the two hole. So robby alvarado can kind of gain position and survey the speed is gonna come from lotrowska. And he's serious don't don't just gloss over Fausto gets erez super saver mayor coming out of the you know the head bobbing second in the zaeri with she dares the devil and of course before that she had wired the houston ladies classic. She's going to be out there on a on a open lead. There's no question with a rat or tease junior Aboard chance to shine for chris hartman. Coming out of the by coa. Can he'll get rid of what ails you. Who won the pin in her. Five-year-old debut and then came back and and iran. Okay in these areas behind the she. There's the devil and let's russkoe Kind of a mid pack in a rather than rather than her. I think preferred style of of one run closing. She kind of stayed in touch with the with the field and didn't didn't really finish with with authority. Like she had certainly in the pippin and has in in inner maiden win for instance going short and then in an allowance wedded oaklawn. She is three for five at oakland. Get rid of what else you stuart grant and brad cox goes zapper mayor and monoploy girl. What what is there to say. Fourteen for sixteen. Two placements F- other than the d q in the kalian. You know is is nearly flawless. This should be really. This really should be entertaining six. Oh nine central so seven. Oh nine so. If you've got dinner plans push them forward or push them back seven nine and we'll certainly will certainly have plenty of of conversation leading into the weekend Should also mention. Of course that the oaklawn decapa is part of the festivities on saturday and a couple of interesting participants. In here the way it turned out some of the usual suspects. warriors charge. And they'll yeah you can't you can't run one of these without the without those two but You've also got rated r superstar out of the good try and the essex you got the the pair of asmussen's and we didn't get a chance the other day with steve talk about Silver state and silver prospector. Silver state draws inside silver prospector. Draws outside and so we're stated won the essex silver prospector chased mystic. Guide home in the razorback. So you also got the invasion by john sheriffs and express express train coming out of the the big cap where he couldn't really come up with an answer for idle and the lightly raced. Union rags cr k. Half a million dollar union rags colt a player here. brings one is with him as well from california fearless in here for For todd pletcher last seen winning the gulfstream park mile guests we as well cipriano contrast for mentioned dale and warriors. Charge rated r superstar. Okay it's nice and then there's lots of allowance action sprinkled around another good card at oaklawn on saturday so a lot of excitement. A couple of other notes to Before we we start to have conversations. The double dog dare on friday at keeneland racing resumes at keeneland today. Fridays card though kind of caught my eye. I see that speech makes her four year. Old debut nice to see her in their body south as well. Royal flack for jack and devonshire fish. So i was gonna do keeneland today but gusts actually did the work. So i'll put gushes up after the show or maybe even during the show. When i get a little window and we're gonna talk with bill downs in a little bit about Not just about opening day. We're going to actually. Have i think a couple of fund indiana conversations but We'll get a little look at at today's card day to made a very rousing start To the indiana season yesterday Did nice numbers and Should also mention as part of that as part of that yesterday. that race that brought up with with pablo late right. The wasn't big money but it was still a win. That tougher than tough and it's funny because tougher than tough was six to one on the morning line and took all the money. Got that down under two to one paid five. Sixty marcelino pedroza for paul to an owner gary to see Yeah this was. That was okay. I it was funny because when i i put it on about seven eight minutes before post and you know i. I was surprised already. How much money Tougher than tough of taken and then just kept getting pounded That that favorite the favorite ran fine sudden shift went off at at sixty five but just was not even at the end he was making up some ground late but it was Pretty much Pretty much decided so. I think some people listen better header short price than proverbial long face. And certainly certainly peat can appreciate that pete for an ital- joins us good morning. Saw the game full of better a short price than along. Well you know. It's the standards they they never exactly the perennial your your what. I call a perennial. You'll always make a beautiful dollar in this This game i'll give you my blind xylophone player. Pete another got started. I love exactly exactly well. I was so. I i have to be very happy to be very reserved and normally start the show off with you know with any any number of frivolous and fund you know bond markets but you know the fire. Yesterday he really you gotta you gotta be. Yeah sorry so scary and awful in another you know another example of racetrack people coming together to help each other out. That's for sure. But the at what cost. But i'm happy i give you the excuse to channel inner child. Let's let's talk about the weekend. Because we hinted and i wanna i wanna hear how the the horse player happy hour went but The grade one gamble as well this past weekend at At keeneland the the to day and i was watching the leaderboard Some thoughts about the results familiar. Name crowned at The great one gamble antastic to see frank. Who's starry getting himself. What many consider a major. He is at the at the center of that Contingent of chicago horse players will often travel together and have such impact on big contest. His son justin actually made our final table when we did the world horse player tour Fo pilots a few years ago. And i'd been aware of him and and spoke to him as a result of that really really sharp player an great conscious player and good to see him. Get to entries up there Impact i think he he was first than like six but Wins all kinds of prizes. It was a record. Setting field made all the more impressive Because of the weather. And i wonder if it'll be interesting to see what what you couldn't decides to inch back towards normalcy because normally the grade one gamble held on sunday. This one being on a saturday and the quality of race car. That was definitely part of the record. Field that That ended up attending. There was a very successful contest. Some other big names up there including One be very familiar what we should give props to the to the man who rounded out the exact. I eh. dyke's of light. Oh beach new york. He was actually in first until frank ended up hitting a three a two hundred and thirty five dollar. Try in the in the last race that That brought his bankroll up over twenty. Seven thousand ed's big play was just it was a you went old school. Wind thousand king theory But that in that context. It's not that bad of a be you you. There's it's a pretty flat price structure. He still ends up with not only keeping that money but making another twenty six thousand prize money plus bbc. Nhc and then are defending breeders cup. Betting challenge champion marshal. Graham ands up. In third with twenty thousand. He gets sixteen k in prize money and bbc. Nhc as well props. Also to bobby marks and ryan Not tech and peter bear who who rounded out the top group of players very successful of that once again as it always is congrats to jim goodman in the team for putting that together and you know. Just wait until we get. This concept has been plagued with some rotten weather in the last few years there. If that had been a beautiful day it'd be interesting to see your stay fighter. Pushed to seventy five entries are more. I think they ended up on to forty eight In this great one gamble nice and You know i it. It typically is one of the one of the most sought after not just titles but what of the one of the favourite visits of the year. You know there. There's you know there's probably fifteen to eighteen. Venue stops that you know that people make Annual mecca styled trips. And and certainly that's one of them keen when such a special place see to the breeding industry so much going on there beyond just what happens at the at the race track and the racetrack is magical for folks. Who haven't made that trip to kim. And i'm sure most of this audience listening to this. The my to our voices here today. Stephen gun it but if you haven't if you're on the fence don't don't don't hesitate longer than you have to do if we get back to full capacity by the fall of the make a trip and the contest is a great excuse but really any time visit keeneland and the surrounding area. I like it so much Even my derby trip this year. I'm gonna stay in lexington commute over for a few days to get a chance to check out some of the amazing formed and Not that there isn't great eating drinking and louisville. Obviously there is but A chance to check out. Check out some of that scene in lexington as well. So i'm i'm i'm excited to get back. I don't usually. I feel extra sad leaving lexington spring knowing. It's going to be months and months before i get back this time. It wasn't so bad knowing. I'd be back there and just a few weeks time for the for the kentucky derby we're actually going to do. We're gonna do a little event with our friends at handler. Me on the wednesday of derby week in lexington. We're going to do our final answers. Derby and oaks podcasts. That we've done for the last several years but we're going to do with an audience this time around And that's going to be that's going to be a blast michelle you flying into host. It'll be it'll be jk. And it'll be philip shelton from From medallion joining us as well. Part of the taylor many team so it's Can't wait to get back in the encourage people as as often as they can spend time in lexington it's really a fantastic place it You mentioned the you mentioned the the dining lexington's had this until pandemic which i'm sure slowed things There'd been there. Been a kind of a hotbed kind of an incubator for for dining after a long sort of dry spell or maybe maybe not even dry spell but just just the way. It was not known as as much of a foodie town but it it. It's made up a lot of ground. And i i know. And you know. Janet patent Follow janet on twitter for her leader. Yeah and and she. I think one of her assignments happens to be the you know the dining veep and it did seem like Pandemic really took a toll on on that. Yeah and you're right it is. It's extra tough for pro-police like lexington where the see was it was bad. I mean i was having good meals there visiting in the late nineties but it was pretty stage and i and i do feel like over. The course of the last ten years got really interesting and i get one of the to your point. Steve one of my absolute favorites. I've done this only a few times in my life. Where i liked the restaurant so much that i changed my plans the next night to go back again. One of those was in lexington and it was a place on. Fortunately that i that didn't make think either it's either. On hiatus serie vaughn four was spot. And i i mean i went nuts for it. I just absolutely loved it. But hopefully we're going to see this with donning all over the place over the course of the next eighteen months is a regrouping and blooming of Of these various pockets and seams and this includes places like new york is well obviously been hit so hard losing so many legendary spa kind of crisis that will ultimately create opportunity. Now it doesn't do any good for the people who lost their jobs full empathy for them. And i'm not just trying to blue-sky this thing. But i i am. I am also looking forward to the reemergence of some of these You know talent talented. Even though i'm not just talking about chefs but just People in people in food service in general who it's a it's a talented provide great hospitality. And i'm looking forward. Hopefully to getting to see a lot of my friends in that business be able to get back on their on their feet once again. Now that we're on the right type of trajectory exactly. And i know that i haven't heard an update i should i should check with With carlo karlovac raises open And i i think it might have been delayed. Carlo was gonna bring the franken dino's Brand to lexington very cool and at certainly pray. Certainly the italian the the italian food scenario In the lexington louisville corridor i. It's it's a it's a it's a. It's a weak sister. Let's let's let's be on right. Cows tony's i'll i'll i'll eat that all day and twice on sunday if you want to go if you wanna if you wanna get that one off the goal posts but yeah they they. It's a it's there's an opportunity there for somebody to take advantage of and that that sounds like a good a good move. Hopefully that's delayed. I want ask about I think you've got a big reception last thursday right for the for the start of the contest Up i think. I think the i think the athol listeners They they came to the party along with a lot of other people exceeding all expectations. Two hundred and eighty five people signing up to play in our first game. The show went very smoothly. Map rainier and i had a lot of fun on the livestream from three to four thirty. Those those are the hours. We're going to be back again this time around and i'm just hoping for more of the same to be honest if we can get those kind of numbers generating a lot of money. Remember the rake for this. One goes fully to to our charity partners. The thoroughbred after care alliance and the thoroughbred retirement foundation. I don't have to explain who those are to your audience. Because everybody knows the great work that they do and we're just hope we're hoping to keep it going and you you haven't missed out anybody thinking gosh i. I'm behind the eight ball now. It's eight scores total in the remaining whatever it is now. Eighteen nineteen weeks that we have left so you have absolute chance to catch up the tour we did award torpoint last week But you know you know nobody very. Nobody is very far behind. Here's our our overall. A winner on the first week was truly engebretsen. Trolls was watching. The broadcast and didn't correct me was in the chat and didn't correct me on the pronunciation. John jasper rand second. Got ninety tour points. It's basically a hundred down to ten the way we ended up doing it and then just around it out real quick. The top ten david browning by guillem john mass brian o'keefe daniel star either that name again wayne tam searing thornton and jonathan cummings so it was a good a good group The bbc did not go to one of our twenty eight people that we sent forward but it was We had folks make some some runs in there and basically for those who didn't talk about it last week. There are now you put up this twenty dollars with the rate goes to charity. And you've got three different paths to win your ten thousand dollars breeders cup. Betting challenge seat. There's what you might call the traditional path where you feed into the saturday contest and try to win there but then you also have a chance to qualify for our playoffs that we're going to hold at the end of the season that's going to be an exclusive tournament that will start with eighty players if you finish in the top two every week or you have a high score on the tour. You'll get to play in that. That will award a bbc and then of course the overall tour winner will win a breeders cup bedding challenge seats so basically. It's a simple way to describe. It is we're adding thousands of the pot and the only v. You don't have to pay extra for the tour and the only goes to charity. So i i think players like that idea and they responded well week one and we hope to see a lot more at the races listeners. Participating and following along on our live stream in week two thursday and to sign up you just go to horse. Players dot com look for that thursday horse players. Happy hour game and join us. They're saying well and on the schedule front. Let me Just give you the weekend too quiet weekend and horse players also got two on friday Nothing on saturday actually and You can concentrate on getting excited about the apple blossom showdown and then on sunday two more seats but then coming up in the spring starts the starts to warm up and some of the track. Another another one ryan scarf has got one of the monmouth. On-track qualifiers those seats but It's you know play down Brandon lee continues to have the amtrak opportunities at lone star heading toward May there's four next saturday on the twenty fourth four seats and based on participation could be as many as ten and horse journeys is in action neck. Saturday as well. So things are starting to starting to warm up and You know much like we had much like. We had this september may derby. We're going to have the the august january. Nhcd's they're they're almost like a companion. They're so close the way they're gonna unfold. It is going to be interesting to have a very brief reign for the two thousand twenty winner because it's such a. It's such a quick turnaround. But i know a lot of people are particularly excited about trying to qualify this year. Because he feels like that january twenty twenty two event could have a you know god willing and the creek don't rise a little bit of a reset field and an opportunity for a lot of people who haven't seen each other in a long time i know for a lotta horse players. The twenty twenty. Nhc that we broadcast from was the last big horse racing trip and then the the twenty twenty two one has that opportunity to be the next one little extra juice. Little extra reason. I think to try to get involved and In qualify to end. What i always say is the coolest horse player party of the year. And i'm i'm really. I'm gonna miss the the one that we're having in twenty twenty one in all likelihood saratoga conflict but twenty twenty two. I'll be there. It's going to be a lot of front well and these get togethers that Worry that have become you know even even as a pandemic Ideally winds down. Continue the just the fact that The you know the doors player. Happy hour that You know the the cocktails and conversation pieces that nick lockin and brittany earner doing Yeah goes those are back. We're very happy to be a part of the breeders cup. Content team and i are happy hour Contests on thursday provide Dave facto lead in. We've been i if nothing official yet but the the other day. Somebody pointed out to the absurdity that You know we have this relationship with breeders cup. And they're providing great content cocktails and conversation and that That nobody's doing a podcast version of it and then we're we're because light bulb went off and were exploring the possibilities because i know a lot of people out there. It just sometimes. It's just easier to do audio. Only and who doesn't wanna hear stories from tom durken's career like we're on their Last week and you can check it out now Through the social media of breeders cup if you want to hear the old cocktails and conversations but perhaps the even more convenient way coming down the line to podcast listeners. Well i I haven't speaking of vic. I happened of talked yesterday. cynic luck. And i did see the i think. If i'm not mistaken i saw yesterday. I think steve asmussen and amazon. Keith are are going to be are going to be on on thursday way which which should be which should be fun. I as i said as i said on monday after after we talked to steve about the arkansas derby win and a very special you know family family scenario. I said you know a a happy. Cheerful steve asks is the best. Steve asks the great great narrative. I mean it's the kind of thing it it's a story book it's storybook but kind of stuff family connection on the horse and they must have just met meant so much to them. I i can't wait to hear all. I've seen quotes and whatnot but hearing it all from the from the horse's mouth cocktails and conversation this week will be a great thing to Joining again tomorrow. Everybody seemed to have responded and another set of opportunities. Although it's a fairly it's funny. It's a fairly quiet schedule. I think there's only i was looking. I was looking at at at racist differ tomorrow. And i think there's only seven venues running tomorrow the things will continue to gear up Finger lakes is coming and so was canterbury and it but and once indiana gets into a regular routine. They're not running tomorrow so it it's it's kind of a little bit of a narrow focus for this time of year already but They'll they'll be plenty of opportunity. And i think the you you got weather to deal with tomorrow. Perhaps to we're looking at rain in new york that that might might affect the the card pretty significantly. We do have a couple of quick races in the mix. Were gulfstream keen. Win and act would definitely keep your eye on that forecast and see hope we those races all hold together for us if we had the two two horrific days sunday monday then two perfect days and now guess where we're taking a turn. We're taking the turned the wrong way racing. God a little unlucky. I guess with as being dark days but But obviously that's this time of year in a nutshell and hopefully those field the whole together and we'll have some nice racing for the for the horse player. Happy it'll be a little bit of a change and we need to track thing week one. This is really a lean and mean hour and a half with those three tracks. It'll be it'll be fine being on air with with matt covering it all in real time. Nice looking forward to it pete. I appreciate it and we'll catch up and as we get closer to two derby and typically we will assemble everybody derby week And have some round table conversations in the in the parlay and We're here it's I leave Leave on on friday so parent tastic. I love the trip over to get a chance to hang out with you. Appreciate you always and the athas listener support. Anybody has any questions about first player. Happy hour where to find. It had a play. Anything about the details. Hit me up on twitter. At wounds. Boldly steve thank you so much for and tell everybody and he does loom boldly and the easily easily accessible. Let's do this. We're gonna take a break and actually it's getting close to the top of the hour. We might the. I've got a couple of news and notes and i do. I've been trying to engineer a visit from somebody who had a huge day to start the indiana season. And if you if you didn't partake yesterday At indiana grant randy klopp. You wanna talk about breaking sharp from the gate. Three wins yesterday with with young joe ramos and i had to go back and look i. Because i don't know when he when he lost the bug rainbows The spent the winter with turf way. but great start. You know for him as well they come out. He wanted the two of them For randy cloth and Including a nice Face mate special of quasi feature that went off. I saw that that was after the watch six. I tuned in for the sixth race and tap. Its spirit a tap. Is our randy. Klopp partners ken. Meyer julie mayer Twenty two one. And i talked to. I've talked to eric ahlstrom. And he said randy klopp was. He dropped anchor Early when indiana when the backstretch opened and he said not surprised to see klopp. Break- breakout running pretty Pretty good and he was clearly clearly laying in wait for for yesterday. No doubt i think had six six stars six or seven and it goes three wins including the the first of the. Let's take a break. Sid is not far off. We got a bunch of things to talk about with. Sid fernando sire watch pedigree focus brought to you by hill and dale and more back after this. It's with stephen big on sirius. Xm radio why in the past decade has real become the premier klein supplement company in the industry because we spend millions in research and development before we ever put out a product because we only fda supervise facilities to manufacture for us because what we say is in them is in them because they work. 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Kelly Rubley Interview - March 16, 2019

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

10:08 min | 2 years ago

Kelly Rubley Interview - March 16, 2019

"Rube Lee who is really enjoying her run as a horse trainer now. And she could quite possibly find herself in the starting gate on the first Saturday in may with a very talented runner, but he has to get past this next test. I this afternoon and Kelly with us now here on HR end Kelly. Welcome to the program. Honky? All right. So what's more challenging teaching middle school kids science or training, a horse like always mining? Probably middle school is more challenging. Yeah. It seems like this horse. Just does everything you ask them to do. He does he does. He's a lot of fun to have around. He kind of does everything we ask without that question, which is nice or go back to that last race the miracle. Would he goes wire-to-wire draws off wins by four and a half lengths is a heavy favourite? That's the way you like to see them win when they're a heavy favourite. Share your thoughts on that performance. Well, you know for that race. I actually was was thinking that we might get challenged a little bit with some speed. And he just broke so easily and took the lead in able to go in twenty four. I couldn't believe it. You know, we were able to get that fraction in there. And then turning for home. We were pretty confident that he had it. And he certainly did. Seems to win with consummate ease. You've you've really taken your time with him and brought him up. If if he wins today are are you gonna try a points race or you're gonna wait till the Preakness. What what do you got planned down the road? Certainly we have to get through today. I do have him nominated to the bluegrass. We'd have to you know. We'll see how it goes today. We had to take a series. Look, probably pointing more toward the Preakness. But you know, let's see what happens sick guess, I'm sure you know, this. But it is the private terms of women you're in for the Preakness it used to be. I don't know if it still is it is not the Tessie. Oh, which is an next race on April. Twentieth. The win and you're in. Okay. Okay. Yeah. There it is. Okay. And this is a horse Kelly always mining that absolutely loves laurel park is five career victories. Have all come at laurel. He's five for six there that has to give you a lot of confidence going into days race to. Hey pets, and you know, that's probably one of the reasons that we opted to stay there for this race instead of asking a little bit more of them in his next start. I thought trying to turn down his home track where he clearly excels made the most sense until we're really hopeful that the two turns on issues today. And because we know we he likes to track, and, you know, he's comfortable running at loyal. So this made the most sense to us as a trainer trying to get a horse to go to turns for the first time, and he's not he's not an inexperienced horse by any stretch of the imagination. This is going to be career start number eleven for always mining. But as a trainer what things do you do with a horse in the mornings to try to get them ready to handle that to turn assignment. Interestingly he you know, the way he gallops in the morning. There's not a whole lot extra that we have to do. He covers the ground incredibly, well and breezes, just I mean, it looks as though he could go around again when he's done. So we're hopeful that. He's going to do it all himself. Honestly, he it's just his natural way. And each Ray said, he's he's run at laurel. He galloped out extremely strong. And every time I asked Anne after the race. What do you think about to turn? And he says, no problem. I don't think we necessarily had to change a whole lot going into this race in in our manner of training. And we you said to keep them happy and found and keep our fingers crossed for today. He's got a really cool pedigree. And he's he's just seems to be effortless in in what he does. So congratulations and good good luck moving forward because I think he's a really cool. I do too. I do and you know, we'll see what happens today. But regardless he certainly proving himself to be a nice horse. And no doubt about it. And really Kelly, by the way, talking we'd Kelly ruefully the trainer of always mining in this afternoon's private terms stakes at laurel park, Kelly, this horse did not begin his career with you. He came to you. I guess around September of last year. What do you remember about the first time you started working with him and got to see him on the racetrack? When he came in. He we could tell he had enormous Gallup page. His stride is just so long cover so much ground. And but he had you know, he wasn't as confident as he is now he was a little nervous about having his mouth, and that sort of thing. So we're kind of just had to be really nice and and find a comfortable writer for him that has really quiet hands. And he's he's sort of the type of horse it prefers to be left alone. Just need to sort of manage how fast he goes. Because he would he would go. I mean, his cruising speed is is is pretty darn fast. It's almost a two minute. If you let him every day for a mile and a half, it doesn't faze him. So. We we don't know what what what we did differently or or how we improve him. I think he was always going to be this nice horse, and essentially he came into me at a time when he was just starting to mature. And so it was pretty pretty much already. Started for me. The groundwork was already late. Reminds me of the Michelangelo line. The statue was in the rock all the time. I just let it out. You just you just let it out you let him do his thing. And and now he's rewarding you in a big way. Right. And you know, I think that's true of all very nice horses. They they have it onto already under control. And we just have to make sure that we keep them happy and found and. Out of trouble. Really what made you give up that job as a teacher? I guess you were also serving as a school administrator at that point. What made you give up that job and say, you know, what I want to get up every day at four o'clock in the morning and go to the racetrack and not have any days off. What made you do that? That's an interesting question. My family still does not understand the four AM seven days a week. And I can't make it to any family functions or holidays, but especially coming from the world of education where we had summers off and like with a little bit easier. But that being said. I've been riding horses since I was a child, you know. And no matter what I do whether I had my own horses competing, or you know, training other horses for jumping with cetera. If it's always been in the background. And so at one point I decided it was time to try to make it my life, and I love it. So it makes a big difference. If you get up every morning, and you love going to work. No doubt about it. And you got to spend time with a couple of top trainers, namely, Barclay, tag and Jimmy toner talk about being around those two individuals and the things you're able to pick up and learn from them. Well, I think Barkley was just phenomenal. I mean, he's a he's a very hard working, man. He's an elderly gentleman now in still in the barn at four AM and at five pm every day, certainly taught me a very strong work ethic. And what it takes to really be on top of every horse in your barn. So I kind of look at that as. His accent expectations were very high and I greatly. Appreciate that at this point in my life because he taught me how to how to be a hard worker, and how to really put everything you have into the horses in your Barnes. And that's something that I'm great before. Jimmy, I work for Jimmy frankly as well. He and I came together when I moved back to fair hill one of his owners had purchased a barn here. So I I took the job running the string out a fair hill. And obviously both of these trainers have have proven themselves in the industry. And it was you know, it was just a wonderful experience to have a knowledge of both of them at my fingertips when I was sort of sort of trying to start out. You have a big works up affair he'll talk about what vantage that is for for some horses. Well, without so many options as you know, we have to Peter tracks. So this winter that has been crucial as we only winter training can be a challenge in the north. But we've only you know, when the pita shack, it's only been closed a handful of times due to ice or large amounts of snow, which usually melts by the next day. So I think that it's given somewhat of an advantage advantage over those at the race track where when it snows ic- they're not able to get out and train, and we have been able to in the summer. I mean, we just have we have turf track that we can breeze on as well. And we have acres and acres of hills that we can go out in the fields and just sort of not to mention the turn out. You know, I think if I had to be a resource there. He'll be where I wanna live. We have all the amenities to keep them happy and sort of fulfill their life of racetrack horse. But with all the extras a bit of a country club for them very much. So kind of like. Payson park down in Florida to from from that perspective. It's quiet the horses seemed to flourish there. And certainly always mining is doing that Kelly. We would be remiss if we let you go without giving us an update on your other big horse. Your greatest stakes winner. Visit arrow what's going on with him. Actually, we're pointing it Darrow to the fairgrounds for next weekend for the handicapped. He's also training. Very well ahead him in Florida and raised yesterday. And looks like we're, you know, we're headed to fairgrounds in hopeful for a really successful day.

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PART 1: Tom McGreevy, Jimmy Toner, Johnny D

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:39:00 hr | 2 years ago

PART 1: Tom McGreevy, Jimmy Toner, Johnny D

"Sirius xm for lunch what's become interview and in in in in very good monday race fans serious to nineteen xm two oh one sports on i sixty four you're listening to sirius xm online at our website tuesday beck dot com and i was looking forward to this week a that was that is a are last of the first half of the year so typically a usually around july fourth we take off and i'm looking forward to the week were gonna be in boston for suffolk for the last weekend of suffolk last racing at suffolk downs saturday and sunday they were gonna broadcasts from suffolk on friday but i we're looking forward to today a quite a bit because a teen and i were in central new york friday saturday sunday and her son my stepson zachary marrying his fiancee andrea gorgeous and delightful is perfect we finally got nice days of of whether that made it that much that much nicer and i obviously couldn't help but but be aware of what what's transpiring yet again a another wrinkle a had another calamity that brings the curtain down on the most tortured and horrific and miserable season at any racetrack ever a there is a great one race at monmouth will talk to jimmy toner in about twenty minutes and jimmy winning you ended is a wonderful a wonderful story and delighted for him to win a race like this there was the half a million dollar ohio derby there there's all all kinds of nice results in an interesting performances did discuss and and will will discuss them a bite b actions and reaction on saturday a to american currency being banned often in euthanized a saturday off the training track not off the main track at santa anita and santa nita management there expelling of jerry odor from the grounds giving him seventy two hours to leave and not just there but at golden gate to a where for decades a un institution that they meadows and and golden gate in that the fares northern cal racing in over the last fifteen years plus a more and more on these southern california's circuit and nationally a trainer champions and i know one need senate gop should the jerry hall would refer a by the way in which santa anita hill so consistently a during this period a has worked to deflect attention and shift the blame from their part in anything and everything that happened involving a the horses that perished over the last six months jeremy hunt or effort has lost four and one came early on in december and then one in february then most recently the two here in the last two weeks one training in one race go cheese and in american currents jerry however has a hundred horses in training a he's made almost four hundred starts just three hundred and something starts three sixty i think a three seventy mostly at golden gate at santa anita he's got a handful of upstarts out of town a real ran it at oaklawn a couple of times at pimlico and ran one at belmont the other day in a couple of aqueduct dreamy shiver me timbers i know ran in the grand and so forth so few sake horses out of town but he's got a hundred horses and training and over the course of six months hundred horses i dunno let let let's say they average to eighty yeah to works that's well below to work spur horse six months right two hundred twelve hundred training training circumstances stances and another three hundred and seventy starts december i didn't i didn't add up the december twenty six to december thirty first starts but i mean basically a holiday offers that doubt probably fifteen hundred let's call it fifteen hundred horses in training and in racing sing in six months and to fatally injured racing into training it's a little higher than expected a little higher than normal but but they've talked about it before you get clusters and it's as we all know impossible to stop v atmosphere the brought about how door for having to move the operation and these horses from golden gate a went to not the pleasanton and doc all red who is the most invaluable individual in southern california when it comes to helping the industry doc all right happy they have jerry eleanor bring his santa nita horses pillow sam and he'll run over these next couple of weeks after that it's up in the air and will wait this week the the the rumor any smoke signals apparently from del mar is that they the in del mar famously we will not care to make waves they won't except they likely won't accept injuries from from holland or a but that's not that's not confirmed that that the every indication so far has been in in these last forty eight hours at it it's just a a bizarre yet another bizarre czar and in impossibly ridiculous reaction overreaction to circumstances i mean and and no circumstances for those that seemed to i've only seen a smattering of things written in you know in and around internet land that it'd be people a you're citing lynn door offers a quote unquote violations the witcher almost all the butte overages a that amount to a parking meter violations a he's never been suspended in his entire career in almost four decades never never been suspended not once a so people horrified a oh i didn't know you had that many that many what that many violations for essentially finally a having a un analgesic overage a it's remarkable and you could you could thank you could in fact be atmosphere created by a the jockey club painting you know any medication overage as some sort of cheating episode that that that's thanks to this ongoing campaign to demonize the horsemen in this deal to make lasix the band lasix that's their objective that that they and it doesn't matter who gets trampled on doesn't doesn't matter who gets steamrolled doesn't matter we can take somebody who's start at thirty three thousand horses one what seven thousand races says a man in the hall of fame and just absolutely use him as eight ten yada as some sort of a scapegoat for these other the summit will see responsible for other twentysix horses were that that's that seems seems to be what what was what's been a conscious effort here the last seventy two hours particularly the the the that clearly orchestrated cnn piece and then apparently i i didn't see it last night but i understand the nbc the had a piece i somehow sick suggesting that the jury outdoor furniture with his lee is the key lynch pin everything except except that it they the documentation on on what went on here you going back to december it it is a refresher course at and i i'm disgusted that i have to reiterate this over and over again this is about the third or fourth time this all starts with recount really being pushed out and dennis more being just browbeaten to the point where he had enough that of course was merchandise as him retiring except that he continues to work at at del mar and los out and as a consultant around the world that that that's what started everything here creating a vacuum you in the system of communication between trainers in management that the recount really dennis more they were they the the safety valves a we we also all know about the very specific plan the marketing plan that santa nita management laid out jericho's on recor all over the place all over the place as to what he was gonna do and that included big fields and getting the the horsemen to run and an instrument in that front is the abusive behavior that it was telling trainers i i'll use one quote you guys in california you wanna sit on your couch and collect day rate a former a a former racing official from the stronach group but that's a quote from to a trainer a v gulfstream model the that they it was warned that it wouldn't work that there wasn't the worst population to implement that strategy but they're just plowed on a vacuum in that racing office also allowed horses to be on the grounds that normally never would have been on on the grounds and then you fold in the conditions of the racetrack with the weather and they exacerbating of vulnerabilities in horses that in some cases just shouldn't have been part of the population at santa anita management also worked in january there were warned in january something is amiss handful of horses way the track way horses the way the track was they were they didn't matter doesn't matter moved on cloud ahead and you know what happened and then you know there's been they you know the whip saw back and forth a tale chasing reaction to every single step along the way a you know the suggestion of of all the different things that that were responsible lasix and and and whips and the downhill course the the bypass the nights that wasn't all that that was another they owe everything except v atmosphere and the set of conditions that allowed this to happen and keep using the word multifactorial it it it is a multi there's all kinds of things which gets says the jerry holiday offer an that using you know a high profile individual as a i dunno low hanging fruit i don't know have you jerry jerry is widely acknowledged is one of the hardest workers out their damn ward we had that wonderful this with dan warden while we were out there as well for santa anita derby week a loyal set of of owners and i it it it's just they to me a just an outrageous reaction overreaction and a convenient target someone who is is also not particularly comfortable in front of cameras or all that media friendly a holiday offers this is his first concern with all of this what's his employees and doing what he was gonna need to do to in their best interests than and interests of the horses having you know the people that care them you know day in day out which by the way as an aside this you know this latest grandstand play a managing the overshadow the thursday media event for the backstretch workers that that this is affectively push that the you know just rolled right over that i you know the horse the horse a that that went wrong on saturday i didn't have to go through the workout approval didn't coach he's a coach east was was running after the protocols the new protocols all all this the show that no matter how competent the the horsemen are no matter how vigilant the safety protocols they're still going to be injuries at bay talent is an i i don't i don't know how you allow for things to go forward by pretending by by giving in to strident animal rights activists who have who have no interest in in in the industry at in the people that they're committed to it and then make their livelihoods in it and no no amount of protocols and vigilance lance is going to get us to eight zero number it it it it it that's just the reality and that that should be the premise of which were operating it doesn't it if jerry holland darfur if if somebody thinks that jerry holland darfur they're trying to push him aside is they act that protects horses and makes things better then i i don't know how you argue with people that would think that 'cause it's preposterous i i i'd also like no we're lee tlc is because you had you had owners at michael stinson coolmore and the dishes kevin kimberly dish who had would have had the favorite in the middle there an and the people the that group from porter rico embracing it they had horses scratched over the weekend no one no one spoke up for them i i think that's the role of the tlc allan allan bosch at our boss was with the royal ascot with all the turmoil with all the turmoil involved at at santa anita end with just three more days the get through you'll this this anguished six months if it was important for our boss dakota roy alaska i i it's i i'm at a loss honestly honestly it it really feels like how indoor for was singled out and targeted because when when there would be the face halliday involving coaches dan nights and who stood up for jared allen darfur when management at that time was was looking to lay blame at college or fussy an when i since it up form he was fired so clearly there was a plan of action it seems i i mean i i'm sure there's more the more to it but just you know from afar and and just trying to put all these pieces together as people i talked to rick hammer late last night that's coming back from the from the wedding and we're gonna talk the time a grieving a who knows jerry eleanor fire as as well as anyone and has has worked with him for four years and they've had incredible success together a no one no no no one that's close to their skin can really understand what the benefit is a doing this the someone whose entire life is horses and industry though let's to a break and we're gonna get to jim toner the lie tougher jimmy and tom mcgreevy johnny d and more back after this short break here with steve on sirius xm radio it's summer is one of the times for serious horse players don't bet they're racist saratoga del mar are in full swing along with other top tracks like go streaming laurel and express bet puts them all at your fingertips plus express bet customers can play an exclusive tournaments and promotions the summertime new 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i jerry holland offer is a hall of famer and a much like santa nita overall a spate of a of injuries and and you know we talked for months about a clusters of injuries and you know considering how many horses that jerry has a hundred or so in training at the two venues how many works and how many starts three hundred seventy basically there's this year at the two venues a it it seems to me that it's not in a in a you and outrageous a number of horses that have have you run into trouble a year thoughts on what's happening here yeah i think there's there's so many pieces of this puzzle they just don't make sense to me i mean first of all things start with jerry hose offers a person he's such a good individual what high standards in how he treats everybody he just a good person to begin with you know nobody has really emphasize that that his quality as an individual are very very high end up or like they have him as a friend skews me not just been racing industry but just the print a an enforcer trainers goes he is more conscientious in any trainer i've been around a he's there every morning at three am i mean it's seven days a week three hundred sixty five days a year on jobs every horse on the pavement and ten looks at it before they go track before you make the decision what to do and i could tell you from experience and many times he had told me time where we gonna work this a philly today or tomorrow and they call me and say you know we joggers more he just wasn't exactly like the senior so you know we gotta get a chiropractor look at her the vet and make sure that she's honored percent before we do anything so believe me he looked at every little detail and he is so good about identified small problems before they get the big problem as far as i can see the only salty had so far sanity with the fed he had some bad luck with horses breaking down and i don't wanna make light of the fact that the horses have break it down because that is a sad situation for everybody a but you know like you just point out with many horses if he has a he just said it's about what gives me i got something here but he's fouled all the protocols if they put forth it's done nothing wrong and how they have focused in on him he is the villain in this situation is beyond me it that it does seem a convenient i suppose the fact that it has granted he he had more horses in this you know over these six months a they did have more than than anyone else and there were there were others with multiple a with multiple fatalities that that should also be acknowledged the librado burrowed gio i think as a parent and a i think i think there's i think there's water to others i don't have the list right in front of me but it it it it just feels it time it feels like it if you know if you if you wanna send the message quote unquote a and particularly under these circumstances some stances it it just feels like there there were different ways you know the handle this and if if there were concerns then and i'd love to hear from anybody buddy a gym cassidy hasn't hasn't said point blank cassidy was a some of the comments that he gave to cnn in that piece friday from what i understand that were were selectively edited because it wasn't just the jerry that he wasn't singled out specifically a it was part of eight wider a conversation but they managed to a tougher editing purposes they managed to really make it out that holland door for was somehow the lynch pin everything that has gone on which is just it's it's bizarre actually i it it doesn't make any sense you look at his regular over the last thirty years instead of here in hand on one little segment of his training life that the house has been unlucky for him and you know i would say over his training like he is i i would think you know on par everybody i mean it's just unfortunate things happening again i don't want to downplay the fact the breakdown in a that is a terrible situation and how it affects everybody i mean there's a lot of tears shed by everybody by the horse breaks out i think the general public has this feeling that oh well would just bring another one out here but i mean there's people out or is the owners friends the groom's markers of riders i mean they they all are very close these sources and it's it's difficult for that so it's not just something just shrug off and say oh but they were spread out it's a it's a situation that affects a lot of people negative ended with the try to do everything possible to not let that happen a hammock with tom mcgreevy is joining us and for those that that a are close to the the bloodstock trade a tom is the among the the most respected bloodstock consultants and agents as it were and i've been picking out horses for clients including a long association with the reporter when did you start working with jerry a well you know rick when i was with mr porter i know it's probably five or six years ago the time flies by so quickly that you know it's hard it's hard to a just pinpointed but an when you bring big porter up like they say things about him that he was always so good about the welfare of the horse i mean not worked remember thirteen years and he's not alone in this i mean there's a lot of owners that are in the same frame of mind see is that many times you'd have a horse it's going down the ladder that could drop down in lower claiming prices now he's gonna give it away to find a new home with a new career matter of fact my wife cynthia who is vice president take two thoroughbreds which 'em concentrate on repurchasing horses to the show a division like john hunters in jumpers she has one right now that rick gave her that you know who's running for forty thousand claimer but instead of dropping down where he could probably went you know one of racing and get more money he gave the horse away too because it's the right thing to do he you know he loves this horse so you know rick was very very good about that so or you know like my extensive the same way the metal jumped by for now we had our worst earlier this year he didn't quite meet the standard so we try to get by the hit the greatest stakes horses and he was just not that quality instead of dropping down to another level or selling to some smaller track where he could probably win a race to he gave in white to do vocations which is another great facility in in kentucky that just does a fantastic job and we purposely horses and finding a new career in warmer honestly i think that that's something that's not emphasized by enough i think the industry of the whole including owners trainers have breeders should emphasize more on the positive is on this on this great industry instead of being on the defensive all the time a i mean you have my wife is very very involved with this and she would tell me they they're seventy approved proved a a locations in a bitter approved by the thoroughbred alliance association where we purposely horses in the united states and then you take like i say new locations in and take to my wife is a thought where there's so many organizations out there there are just looking for the welfare of the horse and these were all terrible organizations these are moneymakers easer all nonprofit organizations are supported by these owners the trainers the breeders in this industry they care about their horses a an i would guess i would say the the the the t m b purpose of the horses in the service industry can match any industry of any you know welfare animal welfare organization i mean they just do a fantastic job about you know we purposely sources and give him a new careers every track i think just about united states now has a program that one of the once you could point out is a non were they have called take the league where a train a trainer has a horse that has been injury or you just down the ladder and it doesn't it doesn't want any more they just he just give them a call they come in and take the horse these veterinarians donate their time and their services to get the source back to a point where he could have another job so you know i think more people in the industry needs to step up and and and put out these positive things have happened industry and how much people love their horses and then one take care of you know on that topic to you you mentioned we had that conversation about be the veterans a program that a jury in janet established a up in in the pacific northwest i had these these administrator on a few months ago and i did you know to give you an idea and i could think back i i i actually went the talk of the jerry about it at low sal a on the day of the future already and the starlet in december and 'cause i read about it and he said oh you know you don't want me said i don't wanna talk about it you call and i'm gonna i'm drawing a blank on his name a but i said that's who he's a good talker he'll be he'll be good the tell you what were doing up there and a you know there's an idea yeah that's jerry he's not ones out there and you know to its own horn but he and his white put out their own money to start this silly up there and then he had no fanfare yet no agenda other than you'd love the horses at wanna give him another career a so in in you know gary i don't jeff all the time and sometimes you know the public have a different perspective it may be just a very private person who just wants to do his job and now he doesn't enjoy talking to the press and he enjoys being at the bar in in in doing his job and taking care of the time you've you've about the obviously it's only forty eight hours since this whole thing began in the first order of business a for jerry in for dan ward was the get the horses moved to los salads at the pleasanton and of course there's the opportunity the he's got stalls available to him in new york a you've talked to a couple of times i let him know the whenever he wants to the visit a i i welcome you know these opportunity whatever message he wants to pass along to the industry a himself a what what you're feeling i mean how is this a knowing him as you do how how is he dealing with this obviously i talked to him a couple of times yesterday an elite so busy trying to get this done in any type of guy that hey there's a problem out there i'm just gonna find it answer to solve it he's not he's not a person the cry about his situation he he does something about it an in right now you know he's just working hard to solve this issue and move forward so he doesn't he's not one of these guys such around in page themselves so it is nice people come out and supporting 'cause it's just you know if if this was a court of law and you had to prove that he did something wrong there would be there would be no evidence no yeah no well and i couldn't fourteen king of his of his quote unquote violations a the med the the handful of medication overages that that are being used as some sort of bludgeon against them by people who have no clue what you know what any of that means but somehow think that it amounts to the drug in quote unquote and that that atmospheres been created by external forces a that has gone out of its way the per you know basically paint a horseman in the veterinary community a as you know drug addled i i that that i find infuriating considering we we've tried to explain this and explain these quite athlete a the people for years 'em but i you know he averages what they may be one overage a year he's never been suspended he's never been handed a suspension of any kind in close to forty years and some people don't understand like you say somebody is a beautiful which is a lot of work i mean it's so easy you know that's a legal medication at all it is is if i could ask something related to imitate one there's a timetable well you have to you know take it away or give so much and it's so easy together anagram overreach endel i'd give it a prime example friend of mine a good friend of mine a couple of years ago and pennsylvania had eddie positive for cocaine and believing the straightest guy you everyone in the world and friend of mine said you have a better chance of finding a million dollars of cash in his pocket then cocaine but it was you know it comes from just handle money or whatever and you get a little nana grammar whatever ever they i don't know what the technical term for it but it's a positive no cross contamination yeah exactly so i'm not you know there are a lot of rules out there they have the fall about the medication and i think that's another different topic to dress and you know there are there are a lot of issues and in the industry i think we can work on it and caught improving warmer on the subject a little bit of change the subject but i think one of the most visible things that we can change in this industry for the general public watching horse racing the whip and i know there's been a lot of discussion about that in a lot of things have been forwarded i never read race in my life but i i did train which is a number of years and so on and my thought on that is that they needed they needed whip right into control the horse but i would not let the jockey turner's took over in that means if they do have underhand so how long you know in the thing about that is if you watched training in the morning when they're educated these sources very very seldom do they in a workout did reach back and hit a horse most all time it's the stick turned over happen among the shoulder that's the signal okay it's time to go and i think they need and of course in emergency they could always turned over they needed to but that's how they're trained in the morning with that stick is that you know in a race to you need the you don't wanna go all the time so sometimes you're dead horse needs to be responsive in response is tapping on the shoulder or you could reach back and tapping when the flank underhand that okay now it's time to go and there were there were you know a discussion about okay raised his arm above the shoulder thirty five times either turn stick over they did turn stickle in visibly it would be such a different viewpoint from the general public watching races but that's my take on it anyway well tom way there there's plenty to a middle plenty of dust settled here and a will see what a there's gonna transpire involving del mar a that'll be the next the next issue per per jerry jones offered a deal with oh i know one other thing my wife just enemy the she found the name of that facility thank you adam it's down the stretch ranch name of any they want the look that up and see what jared his wife that created up there for the veterans and it could be a relationship with a racial she's gorgeous at the at the it's a beautiful piece of property and i i'll go you know what i'll find the v a now on i'll get that conversation next week were on vacation and will he will make that part of the the best offer next week the discussion we had with them but you know what donald one final final show jerry hall offer is the kind of person that industry needs to get rid of orange at chase yeah i i will put well put it it's a it's a it's a difficult and and perplexing so i courage anybody out there that would scarier have feelings with jared you know in courage came in and a am giving some support you know privately or publicly whichever they feel more comfortable with and it's one of the reasons i reached out to you that you know knowing how you know how much you respect and appreciate what he does for the for the clients that that you brought them and will continue to bring tom tom mcgreevy i appreciate it and that's that's the luck to you and michael and the two year olds and not just the two year olds that'll be coming down the line but a man we have out there you know mike it's my sense of it it's a great honor i mean they're all like by gary said it'd be great trainer hundred horses that he's that he's that kind of guy but we have a couple of really exciting horses is the name of water water to we have a jimmy crisco a who won his first eight a couple of weeks ago with the rising star right so you know we have a lot of high hopes for him and you know there's a there's a couple of others out there that in the course of two year olds they're just start the show up at the track out of a that time of year the you know everybody gets you excited about mike why i can't thank you enough for doing this at tom mcgreevy everybody and a long associated had great success including a battle of midway right battle midway and bad about that have a song bird and having a great have you grace yeah absolutely here's if you have been i've been lucky i've had the opportunity that people get me opportunities the body shop no track record speaks for itself the sound mcgreevy everybody where they were they were gonna stay a and a were gonna talk about results on the racetrack from the weekend as opposed to be be unpleasant trees and one of one of my favorite visits anytime is jim each owner at let alone what he's winning great ones in adding a race like the united nations the his great the resident may jimmy congratulations adulation ortega's dave i you know i i was busy with a wedding whether of their son's wedding so i i couldn't watch it live that that would not have gone over well because it was exactly you're you were writing the i think the vows were being exchanged but a hunter o'reilly as with the you know they upset in the pick the great times the the runner day race yes now he ran it super race i mean he had been training well i expected in fact the big effort adam and taco gave a tremendous ride charlotte it all worked out well you get up there in time and i couldn't be happier for him that make connections just great people and you mentioned baco who had a huge weekend because is he he also won the a v a n down a verb kelly brain on valedictorian came back yesterday a patent bernie with the with his nice a hard hitting golden brown one thee the jersey a read a race the dan orange and taco coming back from that suspension and how how much how much you using the jimmy the typically cockle anytime anytime you gotta mama said you are you have to you know so it worked out great for us 'em you know we had a wichita switch gears in midstream because she supposed to run two weeks ago 'em unfortunate incident and we had a scratching but it worked out to our advantage and but also it's like the writer situation will show the complicated and 'em because everybody made a commitment and things show but fortunately like i said were able to get paco's all worked out great it allows me that you know he hadn't he hadn't won in in what the is last five or six starts and you have to go back to what to the knickerbocker or or the red smith knowing where was it while he agreed to yellow and green there you go there you go yeah i knew is one of the one of those type of things but but the right is any you know any feel for you know being a horse that has come from off the pace i mean you you you need to get something of a set up forum yeah unfortunately he's like 'em he's a coach his own problems in asia type of horse of the year not aggressive with him he has a tendency to just sees himself out of there and take a shot back and get into a gala on the court see what you do do that when you do that with these long races there's no page and by the time you get a gun he always finishes well but unfortunately leeson too much to do and then he just he takes himself he he's his own worst enemy at times so what you need somebody like taco to be aggressive or the the keeping a in the race anniversary at least you know and if you're the legitimate place at least you'd always gonna finish and that's what he did yesterday and it didn't seem like he mind being written it you know he he was within watch half a dozen not even half a dozen i think he's even closer the net really a at the halfway point well that was the whole point which which i told somebody you can't what it comes down there i said get his attention get him in the race stay with him and don't take himself back and he did it and other thing was i think it was important that he you know shape ground all the way into the backstretch and then once he wants to purchase tremendous on the grass but once you get into the backstretch and he tipped it mattie check he got him outside and once he got him outside i knew it'd be good because he runs his best racism outside as possible is that something you wanna do they lobster stay inside you said but but i totally get out he does his best running outside so yeah i mean everything is everything absolutely right well to to get a any of the gelding so the grade one is is is strictly a nice trophy in a at a nice paycheck a partial russia may in and mike ryan a but it's it's really gotta be pretty gratifying this comes in star twenty two he's a six year old and a basically basically he's been running and maintaining his form really as a three four five year old yeah but he's he's a nice horse he said he tries all the time and like you say he's just a victim of his own a style but meanwhile it's like he always shows up he gives you everything you got and and he's he's such a nice wants to be around the train show giving he loves his job he loves doing what he's doing he's a really needs to be around well what the this was a mile and three eighths a man you got a whole summer full of opportunities i said what do you what do you look at that will next next apple be the bowling green in hopefully we can get that done again which he did two years ago i said i'll take his long they have another winning race between a long time between drinks bombshell hopefully we get your now well and i was curious like i guess i guess it's let's see time at a time in motion a the year last grade one at just two years ago now and debbie sixteen team so a an and i didn't wanna look 'cause i thought to myself we think we think of you mostly wip with your biggest sources as with phillies in mayors and i wondered if you had a a united nations a win before for but jimmy this is one of those great old races that you know given your experience and your career it's kind of it's gotta be one of those one of those trophies that you'll relish a and you don't want to because i remember this race going back to atlantic city sure and there was a big race in atlantic city three years it was the pre mir you know grass race of the season years ago round hand yeah yeah we simply don't date myself so i ask you i was gonna ask you have you seen have you saw roundtable cranston what it's all about ticketing smack down but it's just it's a great race it's a great race heritage's a history of it i it's a you know it's it's really exciting to win it and i love it i always happy happy a when you do well at this will say a this is a wonderful originally bread by mike rutherford and a still lots of lots of look forward to as the summer of goes forward and of course the belmont the end is in sight the jimmy in what's you're feeling going up but the saratoga how do you know how you viewing the upcoming five days gradual well i think it's good five days i think six days a push and i think you know by the time the season's over everybody's ready to you know crawl out of their hands and knees words i think at least people will get a chance to maybe get an off day do a little something not there an down by taking everybody ends at saratoga saratoga show and i think it will give everybody a chance to catch their breath a little bit maybe do a little bit of a you know sightseeing shopping or whatever they do you know things like that but i i agree i know some people there little trepidation about it but a i know like and for me it feels like a one of those things people are gonna be surprised and they're gonna realize guys how did how are we doing six days i mean there there's nobody there is no other there's no other circuit that runs six days and all the people from del mar when del mar went from six the five there was that same concern and everybody you know everybody said about how much better it was a real going so well looking forward to everybody coming up here in a couple of weeks let me ask you about a thursday a global exchange in the nightcap cap you got that late start on thursday and these jane trade silly back for a third start of her career yeah well i i've had it ran a shovel and start early you well andy we had it raining again and they took grass roy scratched and we could have been over the weekend the race didn't go like this spring is kind of trying for everybody you know what the weather you know so but we do have her in and she's been training well and she's doing good shall we have really shy as who's doing really well right now so we're looking forward to a good a good run from a nice how about how about the horse at monmouth and then you come back with on is that i think on friday right yeah writing a tell you that she has been a disappointment to me in some senses i i think she's a good silly but of course she just always comes up with these little and nagging little things to interrupt her training this year that and then the next thing you know the the last time i ran there i don't she's really good end she was up there for a while she she you know a little bit aggressive andy than a t and trapped so yeah i headed to a throat surgery on his right that would just try just get a rover what's he doing really great shell a get together good effort out of us a good gration killer hopefully she wins and then we go on warned about a business whether well and of course this is a this is the daughter rallies moment that who you also of course drained a family and a real obviously when it comes to a time in motion that's right there you go get a little anxious weather right now we gotta the game here well jimmy when you're in the game you got the you always got a chance and a looking forward to seeing you and a best of luck coming up but anything at belmont for saturday sunday from the closing of the closing days are i think sunday i got a new york granted it's kind of like i could tell you what's going to run the last week here at the scratch to so that's basically what it is we've got a couple of coming up at the end whether states good and we get a couple more a chance for leaks well best of luck as always jimmy toner everybody and went through a riley with the united nations win and i will see him in the bowling green and a a work during the during the summer as we finally have got a good stretch of weather and those turf races of that everybody likes a country can go we've had the same we've had those same issues we've had a scratch is three times with one little boy you're old new york philly jimmy well done thank you dave overnight it's always fun jimmy telling her one of my absolute favorites and learn plenty of from from jimmy toner over the years one of the one of those horsemen when i turned the learn things would just kind of coming around and jimmy in del carol the the the goto a you could follow jimmy i don't know how much tweeting he he's doing i'm sure his daughter is handling be the tweeting jj toner racing is a the twitter now let's take a top of the hour break after a first the full hour here a tom mcgreevy joining us off the opening and jimmy toner let's get to are are ten o'clock spot as always johnny de joins us next and and i know johnny johnny bench on sunday morning at eight thirty he sat down in front of the tv and and and was looking for for roy alaska the continue we got a recap friday and saturday from a rare last get and a i gotta take up that picture johnny i i didn't that's the one thing i didn't do ask week was sent out the picture johnny though i love back after this johnny day with 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seven now back to where he would be on sirius xm radio by the thing about our map you in they knew that recession and then slow lookout sectionals rainy weather i'm not going to get in on the landing occupationally depends on you again in the back of the races past the top of the hour on this one day last week could be the first half of the year on the broadcast front will take off next week before saratoga opens and then the following week of course delmore get started and that means funding the sun figuratively and literally express bet with the big summer action that we look forward to we always look forward to talking to johnny who is still basking in the afterglow of royal ask ever since he went and was was part of the royal meeting he he's he's become may at the and unbelievable anglophile good morning no i don't know what you know what that angle i don't like animals that much not a big fan of anchorage and i do like royal ascot stevie are the wedding was firing a so happy because of the weather this weekend for those of us on the east coast weather this weekend it's it was the best we've had all year so far and i was so happy because i know it must have been beautiful for the wedding shopping or not so much for you but thirteen because a heavier son get married on a glorious day and i hope without side by any chance summer outside because what a gorgeous day yeah no thank you the whole thing was outside and a there is a lot about it that was particularly fun of me for me it's the first it's the first function of of that kind that i've been involved in you close it you know yes my marriage as a you know as a vaccine stepfather but you know it's been long enough that we were teen and i are together a it's gonna be twelve years this this summer at saratoga and you know so i've seen him grow up thirty two an yeah i really felt like i felt like a father a biological are not an a you know i went to school there i went to school upstate the wedding was right outside of chasm elvia and so we we stayed by hamilton by colgate and and so it just it just felt so familiar in the firm that front you know really really enjoyable and and the friday night we had the rehearsal dinner at the rooster in which is just an exquisite they they do such a fabulous job and then it was kind of a a kind of a country side setting at something called our farm and a goal score goal ubs a our farm and they they host that kind of outdoor function beautiful with barnes and and like a pasture really nice a and then yesterday we went back to the bruce prefer a bunch the wrap everything up so it was a perfect you know whatever forty eight hours from friday afternoon till till noon yesterday and people have been very kind of you know expressing a best wishes to the kids they're up at lake placid for the week they were there up in the north country their honeymoon so we wish him all the best very nice career very nice to hear that one forty eight hours and then before that there were there were the five day a four days tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday five days if i get a broadcast on both nbc and nbc sports network you're right ever since again when i visited 'em i've been treated by the buyout skit any yeah i see you know i followed i won't say followed it but i paid attention european racing to the big races before that a but adding gone there and seen this incredible show that goes all 'em and then to see have nbc kept behind a skit shorts you know part of their attempt to bring racing racing popularity broadcast the triple crown racist soldiers breeders cup saw an extension of you know the the when you're in places in the whole the whole package the they're put together and it's so great to have a major network behind racing in in that way 'em but they've kind of i think i think last year was the first year they had and extending broadcast a basket all all five days at this year of course they followed it up in the broadcast this year was even better than last year so they're improving and they sent over a more more talent this year m n n while the broadcast for training one who didn't say it was they some of the nbc folks that were used shitting on the triple crown broadcast and breeders cup broadcast but also they use they partnered with i i i t v i t i t to actually plug to their broadcast so you got a great mix of what we're accustomed to and then you've got a different broadcast from a different angle i done in a very much different way and what word used to as far as a podcast in racing a year experts a magical fashion expert racing experts a little be corresponded position down the post which was quite interesting standing right by the gate and as as the horses would approach the gate and before they went in he would you know give you some analysis of how they look so for me and then also at one point had an interview with the with the what what it says some interviews actually with jockey horseback at forget which certainly when i used to hearing the state are broadcast but i don't have to the jockeys and also to the to the correspondence so that was a different touch any interviews the post race interviews where they have a a reporter walking alongside the winning jockey aboard the winning horses he's coming back after the race and they do the interview that way which is similar similar to what we do with that but you know whether it's donna barton coming back talking to the jockey horseback but the the the reaction of the crowd the fans see oh they interview many many more owners 'em interviews with the trainers i don't i think it all back unless you're willing to talk very openly very honest about their horses or they're willing to talk about cashing ticket always willing to admit they better my horse admitted they won a lot of money on a horse on china's seems to me are more generis 'cause i know i know what trainers are learning how could they could do this and they've learned over the last decade i believe to be better at it but the european trainers are more more open more expansive on what the horses went through the get to this position and what they overcame if they water what they didn't overcome upset loss and what the positives and negatives where it seems to me neither that is an overriding see oh wait your next especially evident ascot but it's all over your is that are sport it's so much more accepted so much more mainstream 'em an overriding theme that i kinda get out of out of outlets that they realize it without the panthers there is no racing and so wagering on racing is not a nice stigma attached to it there's nothing wrong with cashing a big bet at the track winning you brag about it a in all in all in our country is a little bit of a you know all tell anybody you know my family it's like a stigma attached to it you know having spent my life my adult life in this game i know i you know there's been times when people all year at the track all notes like no jumping over there it seems like that's a you know you you you have people who are one night who are in racing you have the queen showing up every day that'd be at the royal asking meeting and that adds validity to it adds except ability but the fact that she became involved in it she's not the first loyal to be involved in it because it all comes from queen man i believe single founded ask any end so it's interesting for me to watch how so it's broadcast how it's all taking in regard for the end of the spectrum player he we attempt to a explains sport to the player much like yeah and you know nfl nfl coach would talk about this team even even in more detail trainers really do but most of it out and give you a pretty good shots their chances of winning order a well he the ground is not quite right from today or you know there there was one race i can't remember the horse i wanna say the trainer was oh come on yeah hot hosking i mean i know i know i'm wrong anyways bringing back a horse lay off one of the highly regarded runners in a big stakes races and the point is on the broadcast everything but say don't buy this horse right and i thought that would that would so outstanding and then the interviewer after he goes through this long explanation of the ground is not right and i didn't wanna runner but i thinks he's sitting off i think she'll be okay i know i certainly don't do anything earlier but it kinda like saint today's the day you know and then after the race three the water the reporter said or or he he actually's later interviewed again i wish i could name anyway he actually said well i pulled the jockey catcher i say that you hey not bad but the fact that someone is even saying that that would never ever be saying you know that that'd be for the race you know things are right and he went on a give you all the reasons and then finally you know said he interviewed later when you want another one is defined what happened to sit well with the only time it wasn't the day so i told from the i told my take here and so anyway that's just an example of what i feel good overall respects the punter respect worthy explaining what we're doing here how it works nobody yeah that's bothers me personal also i'd like saint nick look oh well you know if he gets on the show off in a he's he's really good he you know he's he's got obviously the game on home don't tell you is playing home games and that's certainly the energy he knows the horses well he knows the players well so that damage but moving action along 'em a similar to this unique smoothly between i tv broadcasts right andy nbc 'em interviewing he just said i start an excellent job in the broadcast look that's not the say everyone else and didn't do a great job but i'm pulling him out because he didn't excellent job well it's called there's there's also a and we were probably gonna gonna hear from nick what the recap 'em and in fact we're going to but i reminded on saturday a i did a hose waiting for teams you got her hair and makeup done for the wedding and i got a chance to watch the full coverage saturday i want people to remember because it it may have been sort of lost and everything a nick after the preakness when he returned home was hospitalized had surgery a end it serious health crisis that it has to be debilitating an end focus robbing but so for him to then turn around i within weeks of of that literally because he he came out with me me today's the twenty fourth and belmont was be eight so if he came out with me on the ten he it was only he only knew two weeks less than two weeks ahead of coverage that he was gonna be able to even do the job it's time for him to deliver what he delivered a it is to me is i just it's all inspiring i eat he's listen he's he's the one of the world's best if not the world's best and he just proved it again i marvel at what he does i agree in in in you know the ads that they thought they had in overcame illness or certain overcame yeah could could do what you did absolutely awesome and now it's kind of a good a good mix a tab or american correspondence bowling or and then and then he kind of trying to get away from because because i see broadcast where american broadcast and try to cover you think don't we don't know enough about it not or yeah yeah it's like the it's like the cover it's like a best in show where the i will put fred willard doing be doing the color a on the westminster at at at the mayflower yeah yeah yeah using tv i i see they might say that right yeah i i to be racing yup oh by the way the trainers name he this is what happens when you get a hold of you know when it happens it came to me and i was right with age park it's it's william haggas okay sure we mag and the great a great trainer and what a great explanation for all of this works is you know he's he's one of the top dreamers are so he ran civil horses and they interviewed him a couple of times great great john god what a what a tremendous interview with a tremendous way of explaining things and you know i think they're obviously they're they're so look up to and they say oh i don't even i can't even explain it i'm trying to say something and i can't i've tried to explain how well they do explaining things and i so there you go well you must have you must have you must have had plenty of dealings with guys in in those years that he that he was training at the at santa anita yeah yeah a woman and his wife rachel so john gods and and and then wait wait rachel of john is one of the best guys in the game and talk about intelligent and just a great trainer a great person just try and other guy that i knew where my early days in california is frankie dettori tori a why would a jockeys agent a frankie woods he was a i don't know if he would maybe he's a teenager a any california company uspa learn how to ride the american way which is a different style completely and if you watched any of the broadcast you see those writers completely different types of saint louis seattle a different style of some frankie come to america to learn from the best guy and he's in the jocks room at santa anita with a hall of fame wing at that time yeah and i and i if i forget anyone should be shoemaker paint guy sola steve mccarron holy a total appears you know some seventy now they're like that the find a mountain mount among that group i'm i'm seventy in the race already and i'm forgetting a few fernando toro who who's not all fame but the outstanding jockey 'em down mccaren i don't think i don't know gary stevens better ride yet i'm not sure that he might close to that time period there'll be a little world but anyway a defacto point it's a friday the hardwood you know we did not many now when they're spending after me in the box seats watching regularly and running around and he worked as an i couldn't tell you what's more ambulance now because he's unbelievable now at one personality what a great now he's is bumps in the road he's forty years old that he's been he's been through unbelievable times an end downtimes to the matter of fact he walked away from a plane crash in which warner to others died when the plane when it went down in a among older tribulations relations and try and tribulations in his wife but what amazing personality magnetic and dominate way he did that i got a dumpster unbelievable and about about could knock the bookmakers everyone's talking about how the bookmakers you're gonna take it on the chin like gleefully you know off against them kind of guy that he went to the the corner respect it goes on there and at frank is worn the fifth in a row you know you hear culturally bookmakers about how they were gonna be really literally stone did we may talk about and and i think that's that's fabulous but also the way the crowd reacted to the tories victories and how everyone said you know it's just something they've never seen before knows just about the swell behind me one one of the first four we go in winter starting in the fifth graders wild day which changed until after the rain they they asked one of the one of the interviewer that's right and they said well you know did you think you move the money moves the bit early you know he said well about that twenty years ago at one which so you know the packet of course she went back you think you did early man i don't think i don't who would ask that question of a you know a lot about jockeys wouldn't take we we we don't do things that way it's not the way we watch the game so bottom line for me seeing all these different and then of course you know we had westward there and all the things you mentioned about west morgan number a great deal more clips award as the top jockey in this country i didn't hear mentioned like one of the most unbelievable fact if you were a few wrote a book about the most unbelievable factor the horse racing history and he took a picture sort of roughly one in the leading leading emerging jockey and you whatever you know what i think i dunno wherever you want you probably already suport i don't know it's incredible m see something different in the sport of horse racing boiling knocks we've had we've had were having raleigh tribulations were going through right now the sport as an industry at the gambling game in this country she someplace where it's thriving words pam participation in any contribution and the spectacle and you know that restart they've got the problems to the you know 'em the the whip machine which is one you just talk with the the previous gets you know johnny black yet who's who's known in this country is that you know and abusive rider by the hall of fame professional oh well respected the good guy you know got got one i'm dave man for not following their their wounds of using anywhere 'em so they got their issues too and the commentator spoke about it and it was interesting work we meaning bart riders conform to the rules we have now ultimately it's gonna end up were gonna end up not out they're not they're gonna end up not having any crop at all and that's gonna be talk so there you go they have is she also we we have our own issues pixie that spectacle it's like you're giving injection of sorts of good feeling all of what it can so i i love it's a unique spectacle and at a you know it's not like i know some people a the they they i guess they think it's fashionable to you a dump on it that they're not interested in and it's a it's a bunch of hype and in the meantime the performances that you see a end up resonating an end up a you know being historic whether it was tapping their firm are perspective anything wesley's done but tapping certainly which i think as we get further away from it i think it becomes that'll bring this up with nick luck next the further we get away from its happens the you know cheap but i think the more remarkable if people are preaching i appreciating it as an a blue note i mean blue note coming back and doing the the the king stand a diamond jubilees a sweep a that you know i've seen it attempt at a few times and a i i i become a fan of that worse and so that was really the highlight for me of of saturday a the it it's a it's fun it's a lot of fun and i like you know playing they the market and juxtaposing they bookie shops versus the toll and you know china the pick off a some some witter's there some some price boosters that way i it to me it's a it's really enjoyable and and the fact that we get the play you know typically a you know those four races a day five days that's fun to it's a throwback to when we were you know after new show and played racism the you know during the course of the day day so i i there's a lot to like about it and it's also it's also johnny perfectly positioned i wrote this other day it's really perfectly positions on the on the calendar for us between you had the triple crown and the start of the summer season absolutely absolutely right i enjoyed watching you know as much as i possibly could be broadcasting yes yeah i'm ready for saratoga money for some phone some you know tell everybody whatever forward to go have fun in the sun is central not gonna be on next week fun in the sun is gonna begins saturday july thirteenth early start at saratoga it's a weekly online handicapping competition for express bet account holders an each saturday in july and august goal is the outer competitors weekly as well on a cumulative cheeto basis so we've got weekly prizes of eighty five hundred dollars a top quality weekly there's five thousand dollars and the seasonal tribes is we got if you finish in the top four seed don't try you'll earn entries in the pegasus world cup championship at the twelve thousand dollar value the top four players are gonna get into the pegasus world cup petty championship finished it will give you four grand a as a nice parting gift but son sportsbook account holders only you're gonna make it ten dollar wager why wouldn't wager on one horse in each ten competition races and those races will be concerned tobin del mar wanna try and get a mix usually 'em whether skews me there live wages so you keep whatever you win pick a winner pay you're clear competition that's that's some a look forward at express bet dot com members old first competition saturday july third p h competition only through shark in bellmore that it is it's one of the highlights of they of the season and it's more from other original diamond day concept which is also you're idea and a fun in the sun works just as well so looking forward to it and johnny a joy joy for we go yeah before we go yeah i get wet last week i had the show on my wife in kitchen wasn't paying attention she heard me mention or trip to ask an making fun of my hat tony miller then i had a better on we were in royal closure and i did not have a bowl and it looks like a bowl i shared a picture i said look you could see how it looks like it is not a bowler was what it was not one of the tall wonderful happy because i'm not in line here took it over with a so i didn't have like like eddie olczyk was talking about his hundred sixty year old a mind was about six days old just made the back room so so i do have the correct i did not even know the john c makes perfectly well and i will find i'm i'm coming through and i i do have to find that fabulous side by side that i created several years because it's the funniest thing it not not only deal lookalike you're also standing and they were identical posture i i am having trouble finding it so if you've got is on hand a the email it to me so i i think i think well yeah you understand what both yes that's right a dollar a row but now there's something else is there's another there's another a dozen other red name for 'cause i have a i had a book as a kid a be in and hitting these london or something like that in him hey a oh my god of raleigh raleigh raleigh of raleigh 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Jonah Mutono Drops Kidepo Pseudonym On New Album

World Cafe

23:18 min | 1 year ago

Jonah Mutono Drops Kidepo Pseudonym On New Album

"You're listening to World Cafe. I'm rain address today. Our guest is Joan Antonio. He spoke with World Cafe contributing host Kaleo. Joan Amato's debut album features songs about the foremost common last names in America sharing a moment with this stranger on a long train. Ride and imagining what it would be like to get married. Just after World War Two now this is disparate subject matter. It helps know that Joan is worldview is pretty wide. He was born in London and lived in the United States until his family moved to Uganda. When John was just eight years old he attended a boarding school in Kenya and moved to London for High School and College. Before returning to Uganda. It was there. He found a lot of musical attention for his recordings under the alias. Caputo since then Jona has shed a pseudonym and moved to New York City to make music under his own name. His debut album is called Burg and will be released soon today. We're getting a sneak preview of some of his new songs. Let's get started with circulation. H Jones Mattel now on World Cafe Ma friends they always and say mom blinds Lord knows how gossip spread hiding banned Asthma and nights can be so I'm giving but they dream. We are closer than we've been. We I love the crew. Why don't we want fall off? Where the John Well Abidi's pretend nine this trapped in between nervy skin every rap so tight that as a bid and that wherever we ought to launch you. We used cruel. Shot a Wow that is that's absolutely beautiful John Amato hear how my Gosh? The debut album is called. Gerg was Circulation welcome to the cafe. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah so you've lived in a lot of different places but one of the things that I saw on your bio that I found interesting. Is We tape this show here in Philadelphia so in your many travels a round the world you've lived in Philly? How old were you? And how long did you live here? We moved here when I was seven months old and we left when I was eight. Okay so you don't have very much to remember about Philadelphia. No I remember going to the playground and I was home schooled so I remember being at home and walking around on the street and going to the corner store to buy lucky charms but you kind of lose when you leave America interesting. So what happened at eight Take me take me from there from eight. Where where do you move next? We moved back to you. Got To my parents are Ugandan and we went back there Because my dad wanted to start a charity interesting okay so eight you just so that's really where I would imagine you`re. Adolescence begins obviously as in Uganda. Because most people don't remember from zero to eight very little yes. Yeah definitely But I think I was there for two years and went to boarding school when I was ten in Kenya. Okay so we so. We're now up to three countries here in ten years of your life. Yes Sir so from Kenya to. How do you end up in London? Because I know that London was part of a huge part of your story yes So my parents were working out in the middle of nowhere where my dad grew up and there was nowhere to go to school and a couple that had been sponsoring. My parents charity. Took me in and let me live at their house? While I went to school in England when I was twelve years old. Well can you at ten to England at Twelfth. Yes okay well and then I pretty much was in England until the end of college. But I'd go back to Uganda really frequently. Okay so so how'd you end up in America? Here okay well after I. I'm doing so many things but I just. It's such a fascinating heartbreaking. After Uni I end up going back to Uganda to live. My parents hadn't really lived with properly for a really long time. And that's where I started making music. Just you know it's done logic and I made my first couple of songs. Put them out on soundcloud. And they got picked up by blogs. And this I guess my parents gave me some money and to go to New York to see if like I don't know I could make anything of it. That's incredible that's that's what you hope for your parents over really exactly most people when you think of your parents and it's like Hey. I want to do something music related. They're like you know. Oh yeah real bad. Thank my dad. Who grew up in a mud? Had He didn't have his first parachute so he's fourteen years old Sorry to out him like that if he listened to this He was he was he said. Oh I'm just I feel like I've done well enough that you feel privileged enough to be an artist here on the World Cafe Geno the debut album is called Gerg and The next one we're going to hear is called shoulders and I. I love the sentiment of the song because it's something that I think. We can all identify with being tired and being that shoulder that someone rests their hat on or was that one out of a real life experience for you as really I was living in New York time and I feel like city. Life is very isolating. I mean you can have your friends but at the same time. Everyone's working all the time and one evening I was on on the train and a lady put her head on my shoulder and I thought oh well this is a this is what we should be doing for each other so I kind of wanted to on that interesting. Do you remember what line it was? It was on Jay Leno New York. Subway lines have some people who don't realize their lines and they have personalities sort of like certain behaviors is acceptable on one. Oh for real. Yeah there would. You couldn't pull that on. Maybe another stop. No not on the train for shirt so so did you. How did the did you? Did you waking her when you had to get up. What got off before? I did. Thank goodness because I was really scared at the moment. We're to be like excuse me go so well. That's a really really sweet sentiment and the idea that city life is i. It can be very very arduous and having a moment of respite is it was such a beautiful sentiment so thanks. You're setting up for us. Everyone should lean in and listen now. It's shoulders on the world. Cafe is the sixth of Now. Vam just another Tuesday night with no phone calls now. Dan Plans to speed. And I've been the seed Filler Abidi repair but that doesn't mad my st you. Does you know to me like in Seattle. Really know but engine no and Cottam. No you could be anyone code will lose a knock. Combo so you could be anyone anywa anyway you I show you how minds a bay by a killer still trying to make me just I don't really know engine Anna Salvador Qatar. No you could be adding a hugh. How so kids Don't Ya hum only show you how you sleeping. So you could almost Company name here on the World Cafe absolutely beautiful Jimmy Toner with shoulders from the debut album. Gird I'm my name's Kallio I'm the host of or one of the hosts of World Cafe and someone who works in entertainment right so for many years. I did not go by my last name. Which is Kalaheo And I can appreciate a musician that has stage name so for several years. People knew your music but they didn't know your name and that was by design correct. Yes tell me a little bit about a kid up. Oh and why it was chosen not a stage name but actually more sort of like a barrier to Jonah over for Sir. I think it was always music's always such a great outlet to me that it didn't seem I think at one point never seemed like I'd really be able to do it professionally and and at the same time. A lot of my friends did no I was doing it and it was just something so personal. I didn't really grow up having a lot of creative friends You know all my friends growing up. Or they're all accountants. Now they work in development and that sort of thing so as always quite a secret thing and so being out in public Putting out music kind of felt maybe embarrassing. I had a couple of friends that played instruments and I sang a lot of opera secondary school. Which is you know what it is. But it's also quite an elite level of this a niche thing and actually a couple of my friends who I grew up with. Ended up doing that. But you're seeing someone else's music and it's quite a small little bubble to like actually write your own music. Wow Is One of those things I feel like. I played a couple of my own songs and secondary school to a couple of people and it was always. It always felt like as far as quite an impostor. What are you doing writing songs into you? Know Wow so it was being you not being an impostor at all but you end but at a certain point you decided you're okay with putting this music out but you're going to do it under a different name. Yes I said. This is the obvious question what what was the what was the watershed moment where you decided that you know. The songs are not coming from Connecticut. But they're coming from Jonah and they and you need to know they're gonNA come Jona. I feel like at a certain point when enough music it come on. I was kind of use yet to the idea of it. I thought you know it is it is it is coming from me and I want people to know who I am because it would provide some context and I think what I love most about the the artists I love and grew up with is that they have the name out there. When you really WANNA find out about us on you kind of find out about it through the context of their life and what they're going through and I wanted there to be a person behind the music you're listening to World Cafe. We're here with John McDonough. Be Debut. Album IS GREG so debut album Gerg Gerg. You think that it's just it's a sound but for me. It reminds me of my childhood because one of my good friends. His nickname was Gert Because Gerg is greg backwards exactly So who's Greg who's Greg who's who's Gerke then WHO's Greg? Greg is somebody that I dated who? I didn't want anybody to know about no way. Yeah so I saved them in my phone as Gerke so that anybody who picked up my phone because pretty loose with my phone like anyone can really look into if they want to. So if they ever looked in the Gerber and they'd be like Oh this is like who could this possibly be like. It's probably just a friend or whatever this like not and it and it worked for the most part so it was because you didn't want them to know you had a partner or yeah I guess so I guess so. I think it's like one of those things where I grew up. Very religiously and A lot of my friends are still in that community and so when I went back to England in two thousand seventeen just went straight back into the community and that was It was kind of I was I was exploring was exploring and I kind of wanted to do it without the the eyes of all the people that have known me since childhood or whatever you're listening to the World Cafe we're here with Joe Montana on on what is really interesting session and I really appreciate your honesty and your candor. Nineteen forty nine. That's an interesting title for a song. It was a very good year. I don't know I wasn't I wasn't there so I set us up. Set THIS UP FOR US. Would you please? Nineteen forty nine is a year. That was a a big baby. Boom era lots of babies are being born on the minute. Come home from war and I feel like if you see pictures of couples from nineteen forty nine. It's all very like a very traditional love. You GET MARRIED. You have kids very traditionally speaking and I wrote this song for my friend's wedding very Sarcastically I feel in terms of dislike. I want I want to write them on that. I can play the wedding but I make sure if feels like it feels like me and then I feel like after written it for this wedding and then I fell in love myself I was like Oh actually I feel like this is accurate and I hit the nail on that cool. Let's hear it. Could you be the though at nineteen forty nine? Could you be this? We say the Mediterranean he love calm the just grab. Won't you need somebody somebody to be a? That sounds bad so settled me. Could you be mom for nearly third day? That almost fake forty nine a loss strayed into. I think Ma stint time. Describe the keys. You need somebody to be be that sound bad. So settled a affects. You crave waited way baby in half the effects you've been craving weighed way. You just pick look. You need some somebody. He cake seeing Back so if you're ready to settle Wow on the world cafe nineteen forty-nine Cinema Tonio. You have a piano player sitting next to you. Would you introduce him? This is Kevin Bernstein. A Kevin how you doing man fantastic and GIG number. How many times have you guys played together this second together? You're getting applause from me. That is beautiful and and you carried it off flawlessly today guys. It was an absolute pleasure. Congratulations on the album. I get the feeling we're going to be hearing a lot more from you in the future. Please come back and see us again so much. Thanks for having US. We got it. This is the world cafe.

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Equine Forum - July 25th 2020

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

1:59:12 hr | 11 months ago

Equine Forum - July 25th 2020

"From the rail to your radio fierce is horse racing radio network honore. Authentic rushie running late it will be honor AP, very impressive winner of the run happy Santa Anita Derby and midnight visa bounding pass the twin spires, six lengths in front with honored yards to go motion emotions up into the second Sarah empress nothing wait under the wire magnificent midnight zoo, welcome to the equine forum, and now there's an eighth allowed to the. Shots get take out of the inside Monday morning quarterback, but here is Max player the outside takeover, the deep shreds and Max acquired well when the weather's by almost three nights. Lead Dr Post has moved up on the outside of two seconds. No manifest served as no York hero chance. Maddy Franko. Don't went up. Much thanks. Now here's Anthony Stabile. Good morning, everyone welcome to the equine forum here on the Horse Racing Radio Network on the big a anthony. I in Saratoga filling in before. darnold backlash Mike Hannah. Makes enough to. Take the reins on this insatiable Saturday of racing and. A good one at that banks for spending part of your morning with us here on the Horse Racing Radio Network and To me anyway summer feels like it's just about in full swing now. We're in Saratoga. delmore Eth- a little bit of a hiccup last week. They got their Mojo back there back up and running no problems yesterday afternoon. And, the STAR, power. In horse racing, starting to come back, you heard his law horse up the intro to the program. His laws getting ready for the run. Happy travelers just two weeks from today. About a Mile and a half from where I'm sitting about eight hundred and ninety miles from where our producer early they'll Pena sitting back in our Lexington Kentucky. Studios getting ready for the travers a prep for this year's Kentucky Derby, and that still. Sounds Weird to say feels weird to say, but it's an unusual year and. Using the travelers prepped for the Derby his laws getting ready, but today the firepower and the and the star power comes back in many many ways. In fact, it starts in just about. I don't know two and a half hours ten thirty five eastern time. Out in. England of all places enable takes on just to Anthony. Van dyck has been scratched so and they will take on just two as she attempts to make history. Becoming the first three time winner of the King George and Queen Elizabeth over at Ascott, winner of that race earns an automatic berth into the six million dollar long years turf in November at Keeneland so whether you're in over in. Ascott today then they will kick off the action right around ten thirty five eastern time this morning. And that then later on this afternoon, right here at the old spa, sister Charlie speaking of six year old. Sensational TURF MAHER'S SISTER CHARLIE GETS BACK to the action off a third place finisher. Last year's Breeders Cup she'll run the Boston spots at a mile and a sixteenth. She'll take on one of the coolest horses training. starship jubilee WHO's not sick, she seven. She's defending reigning horse of the year up in Canada that will go as race number three post time right around to eighteen eastern time, insisted Charlie multiple grade one winner starship jubilee. She's one almost half. She seventeen for thirty, five, hundred her. Those two fantastic race mares will square off later on today. At Saratoga perhaps one of the the sports newest stars volatile. Will take that big step up in class. At around six fifteen today when he takes on four others, including three of the top east coast, sprinters and they've been that for a while in forensic fire. Mind control the five year old friends, a fire, the four year, old mind control, and of course, the old man, seven year old gelding, whitmore, three million fourteen wins in his career. Off looks like they're all chasing. Follow today four to five on the morning line, and maybe the sports newest, Star. Take Center stage today in that Vanderbilt later on, it's our talk and then. If you're on the east coast. It's nighttime. It'll be nighttime nine thirty. Tonight. Perhaps the best dirt horse in training and all the land maximum. Makes his first start since. Winning the inaugural Saudi Cup back on leap. Day In late for remain. That seems like such a long time ago. and makes his first start for trainer Bob Baffert after the march ninth. Raids and indictments, Bob Baffert now trains maximum security and he will make his first start for Baffert. Right around nine thirty tonight he'll take on four or five others in the to San Diego at delmore. They got five stakes today and tomorrow at Del Mar. We've got three here at the old spa. Lots of great racing going on, but we mentioned that that. King. George Queen Elizabeth out at Ascott. Within your in four the turf. And six year old man was looking to put a big performance. Her trainer John Gosden believes that she's improved from the run. Last time out in the coral eclipse when she was second in San. and a quote from Gazan. We were absolutely delighted the way she finished the race the coral clips. There's no doubt within the last furlong retired. She was second, and that was very much a result I was hoping for. She's trained very well since then that racist brought her to. Onto where we wanted I've been happy with her work. As has frank oriented, we go to the King George full of hope she will take on like I said just two runners this morning. Anthony Van dyck has been scratched, but training Rhino doubt sovereign in the biggest threat to enable Japan. AIDEN O'Brien had this to say about the king. George of Queen Elizabeth. That's what everybody loved. Having. Very strong competition on. It's great having a neighbor day differently wish that against you know so I think that's what everyone wants in competition. You know what I mean like it said again. It's the it's the mystery business like no one knows what's. Mara is none of us know what's going to happen next hour, but like tomorrow's a long ways away, and if we all made with regard, it would be grade rates to watch is CBS. This! To be enabled Frankie, and and and Japan Ryan nor to me so. And making it to be some spectacle watches you know it's GonNa be. And obviously we to horses against leads in order to me. You know so. You know we're. We're followings. It's like those over matches in order meaning that you're going to have you know so. It's going to be very interesting to see you know so. Night Great. Try! A stiff mile and a half and then this. Volatile. One of the top trainers in the world, eight in O'Brien pretty much setting the stage. You know it's it's the matchup it's it's GonNa. Be Japan and Frankie and Ryan War Against. The old man, the good old marinate will and Frankie Dettori should be a lot of fun just about ten thirty this morning. You can catch that King George and Queen Elizabeth Grade One winning. You're in for the, longings. Breeders Cup turf that leads us to our poll question today. Who are you looking most forward to seeing race on this spectacular Saturday of racing? Is it across? The Sea isn't enable over at Ascott, is it? The return of my favorite. Of all time since the Charlie. is at the upcoming volatile in the Alfred G Vanderbilt, or is it Max? Maximum security in the San Diego at del Mar later on hit us up at HR and on twitter, and you can answer that poll question who? Votes watching run. This morning this afternoon and Tonight, we great show for you wind up this morning. Speaking of volatile his trainer. Hall of Famer Steve Asmussen kick things off and just about five minutes Joe burn the vice president of racing at colonial downs. They kick off their meet on Monday. We'll talk to Jill. About. WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN IN VIRGINIA? Industry Star of the week presented by Stuart Morris comes your way. To wrap up our number one Mike Pana sat down with Sean clancy one of the things missing appeared Saratoga the Saratoga special for they have it all covered over this horse racing dot, com and Sean known for that Cup of Coffee Column in the Saratoga Special. Well, WE'RE GONNA. Have a little bit of a segment here. Throughout Saratoga Mike sat down with John Yesterday. You'll hear the cup of coffee withdrawn clancy and Mike, Penner. Top of hour number, two one of my favorite racetrack, people in the Guy Alabama eight four commissioner had one run Anderson jocky agent for Joel Rosario and John Velazquez Joel off to US insatiable stock here at the spy. He's tied for leading rider. Still we'll talk about that and then earlier this week on Redmond Radio I caught up with Hall of fame trainer Bob Baffert who was not only about maximum security, but some of the three year Olds Stars left in his barn, pointing to that Kentucky Derby on Saturday. September fifth down at Churchill downs, right? Let's take our first break when we come back hall of Famer Steve. ASMUSSEN talks volatile. This is the equine forum on the Horse Racing Radio Network. Hello I'm Eric Camelback CEO of the National HP? HP BPA thoroughbred owners and trainers know the importance of keeping their horse on schedule on the track and injury free. Even a small injury can result in losing precious time and serious money. That's why farms worldwide trust keep safe. The Mesh Fence from Red Brain. The strong Mesh Design Flexes on impact and reduces injuries, keeping your athletes on schedule and on the track learn more about keep safe. The Mesh or spence read brand dot com. 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Win By five lengths on the wire, and the time to hundreds of a second off the track record one zero seven point five seven. Volatile. Travis stone was on the call steady. You heard this to hundreds of a second off the track record. For Carlos Santana Junior. Wanted to, he could have beaten that track record churchill downs, twin spires welcome back to the equine, forum, here on the Horse, racing radio, network and volatile. Takes on just four arrivals today in that grade. One Alfred G Vanderbilt raised its was one of the last two years by these speedy. Imperial Hint. and. They I don't know if there have been two horses built different more differently than imperial. And volatile, volatile, big, old, strong looking. You know he's four years old now and he's just A. Big Old strong, looking son of violence, and I was a big Fan of violence in his offspring. Whereas, imperial hands I remember a couple years ago. When imperial hint shipped up for his first win in the vanderbilt, he was stable that with Chad summers and mind your biscuits, and they were two of the stars you know in the one turn racist for sure biscuits onto win going to turns almost one mile, but they were, both you know they were. They were sprint rivals and. They were about five salts from each other and come out of the stalls in the morning to get their baths or come back from their morning moves. You literally could fit imperial hint inside of mind your biscuits. It was one of the most amazing things I think. He may be able to fit your biscuits inside of little so. Never seen a couple. You know two horses who do the same thing, and that's the beauty of our sport, and he's magnificent animals. They come in all shapes and sizes, and you never know what you'RE GONNA! Get, but volatile horse looks like he can. Run, a long ways certainly is He doesn't need to. He's plenty fast enough. Would they've asked them to do so far? He's lost just once in. Five starts. That was the second start of his career, and he has just been fleeing old fast in his last reimagining got twenty bucks on him when he wanted to debut at Ellis Park last summer just just about fifty four weeks ago, he broke his maiden. July thirteenth of last year at Ellis, Park and He has been nothing short of spectacular his last three starts especially that he's. where he won by eight lengths in one, zero, seven and two, just an amazing amazing effort. We're going to be joined shortly hopefully by his hall of fame trainer Steve Asmussen Talk about volatile. He's got some rivals in their today I'd say that folks Whitmore of course grade. One winner at the track Whitmore's made thirty four starts. He's only made one of them at the old spa, but it was the one that counted his loan grade. One win came in the forego couple years ago and He's earned three million dollars one an awful lot of races as he's done that fourteen for thirty four with ten seconds. In his career remarkable of course, forensic fire, sixty thousand and change short of two million. He's a multiple grade one winner The of course was one of the horses trained by Jason Service that moved to Kelly Breen didn't really handle a slop in car, came back and raced really well in the great to true north last time and got the money. It was good to see him. Get the money and then of course mine control in my controls looking to do something that. Andy Leeann I might talking horses partner over at naira were trying to wrack our brains. I don't know if any horses ever won. A grade one. At Saratoga. At two three and four. That's what mind control be trying to do today because he won the grade one hopeful back in twenty eighteen. Last year he won that thrilling stretched all. In the Allen Jerkins. On the travelers undercard, and now he'll try to knock off volatile sounds weird to sail nocco, volatile, one or multiple grade, one winner, the other horses, one just a listed stakes from his four victories, but they're all trying to not the far more accomplish trio of Whitmore, frenzy, fire and mind control all to knock off the four to five favorite volatile in today's grade, one Alfred g vanderbilt, which is sending out to be a heck of a horseracing and volatile may be giving them the. Given the slip early. There's not an awful lot of speed in here. In the his three biggest rivals and don't forget LEXA. Tony on the relics Tony Coming off the race of his best race of his life, arguably in the in an allowance optional, claiming he went one going seven eighths down Churchill as timeout. Be Great one when a hard creek Hog Creek Hustle in the process. He's finished behind war. in both the count fleet didn't have the cleanest trips. Last year in the Phoenix were engage upset the. Sprint fixture keeneland with more were second. Alexa Tony and finish third that sell lexa Tony who every now and then jump up and run a big one. He would post a pretty big upset. Talking is probably going to be close to twenty two one a five, Horsfield will see what Alexa Tony Allen. Can Do. As the biggest price, the outline, or if you will in that grade one Alfred G. Vanderbilt as we effort to. Get the hall of Famer. Steve, asmussen. Busy morning here at the spa, so sure Steve has a reason for not picking up the phone so far, but we're still editing to To get Steve Join US here on the network and he has had so many memorable moments up here at Saratoga, of course, perhaps no No finer moment no more exciting moment to moment losing history here in Saratoga that two thousand nine Woodward, Rachel Alexandra and Tom durken's. Unforgettable call how she raised the rafters here at the SPA. It was something She Day an amazing job. TRY TO GET Steve give it. A couple more tries while we do. We will play the Lexus legends of the TURF. You now brought to you by the Lexus store of Lexington. There had been performances by horses on the racetrack bear more than considerable note, and there have been horses of the same milk period of time. This is a story of a combination of both a horse and a performance that are five star in every category quote at won't be the same on Saturdays without kill, so will it, said the fat man that perfunctory statement sums up the whole story, the story of Kelso and the jockey. Jockey Club Gold Cup run on the Saturday of Halloween in October of nineteen, sixty four. It was a golden autumn day for a golden thoroughbred, fifty one thousand fans on hand at Belmont Park Long Island's Grande Dame racing. They'd come to pay homage to one in a million as a horse, people had waited forty years for Kelso. The has been nothing like him since exterminator in the nineteen twenties and Mana War of the same vintage. Vintage all the word, great horses in the interim gallon pock citation Equa. Poise Discovery Native! Dancer Cavalcade Conflict Twenty Grand Armed swaps and Tomfool recount just a few there were some that occupied a very special place in the hearts of racing fans, the beloved Seabiscuit War Admiral Whirl Away, L. Sav, stymying carry back just to name a few none had that Rarin indefinable quality of absolute excellence of exterminator Mana. War and now Kelso has great. Great a single contribution to racing was in being a hero, a role model to be loved and admired not because physical beauty since he was actually underway, and he was awkward and often seemed elise, he was sort of like a homely girl who had done the very best party dress, but was doomed as a wallflower. He had a lackluster coat in no matter what they tried to do to dress up as it were, he was. was still just plain old Kelso? You had to shake your head at Kelly because you could never imagine them to be a champion among champions, the Jockey Club Gold Cup was virtually permanent trophy of is any one at four years in a row on heard of, but here he was trying to make it five in a row at the age of seven over the grueling two mile distance. This was to be the last race running. Running New York for him after some one and three quarters miles of the great classic, he was second right behind the dead game. Little Roman who given it all eat, had then Milo. Valenzuela made his move aboard Kelso. When he charged at the leader, there was no need for the crowd event. An encouraging come on Kelly as they done when he waged his stretch battles, iron peg in the suburban and Gumbo in the Woodward it. It was all over to quarter. Poland everybody there knew it, and then an awesome thing happened the fifty one thousand on hand, went eerily silent for a moment, and then just as Whoa on cue, one hundred and two thousand hands began to clap in unison. Hans beating rhythmically time with Kelso's stride cadence clapping all European style for admiration of something special. It was like a Mahler Concerto of human emotion Kelso. Cross the wire awareness fifth. Fifth Consecutive. Jockey Club Gold Cup and a time of three nineteen and one new track in American record for two miles, there was a wistful sadness, inherent in the lengthening shadows of that all afternoon summer was taking its last breath winters. frostiness lay just around the corner. The world would grow older and so would kill so like the Fatman said at won't seem like Saturday without Kelso. No, and there probably will never be another Saturday. October twenty, seven, one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four, when Kelly won his fifth straight jockey, Club Gold Cup, and what may were very well have been the single greatest moment in all thoroughbred racing's marvelous history. Kelso, the one and only I'd say I wasn't around obviously for Kelso and But the stories you hear the regaling of My grandparents loved Hello and he was something and. He won five of them in a row five goggles. I mean just just remarkable tough twin, tough to now total est one to twenty, fourteen and twenty fifteen. You know whenever I can give my boy paternalistic plug I absolutely will and Yeah, they don't make them like hell anymore. Unfortunately, but we have some. Stars. Coming out today in fact, and you guys have taken right to the poll question of the day. Who Heals most forward to watch run today. So far Max is in the League thirty nine percent for maximum security. In a photo at enabled for second right now twenty five point four percent volatile twenty three point seven percent for an abled. and My vote I. Mean as the Rosa From Brisbane. and Twin spires likes to say sister Chuck You. Guys are no love for sister Charlie. Wait to see sister trolley win. Run Win! Very opinionated of me to say that you'll win today I think for for different reasons you looking forward to seeing all of these fantastic courses run and. Perhaps war so then volatile. And while I'm a a huge. Charlie Fan I to me. Volatile is the one. That Is the most interesting because I think he's obviously the one with the. Question marks he is never faced. The Caliber! He's GonNa face today, of course course he's obviously never running a great state so. But. Again nobody no one loves short field right. especially when you and trying to make money. You don't love a short field I don't love shortfalls. In this instance though? I can't really think. Of any other. At the very least east coast sprinters. Horses in the eastern half of the country. I don't know if you were considered. What more than East Coast Printer? But. I don't know if you can. Think of another sprinter right VIUHKOLA has taken himself out of that sprinter status with the winds in the run. Happy caught her on the run. Happy met mile at seven furlongs and an eight Franz. So. You, don't whitmore? Would all of his accomplishments mind control looking for that unique? Pick three of his own if you will. Great ones at two three and four at Saratoga. ICON reminder of how rushing fall dominates. Down, at Keeneland. And Fire So. I think volleyball's probably I. Don't know if I'm looking most forward to watching run today, but I would think he's the one. I am curious about because unlike enabled and sister Charlie and maximum security, who all have different questions to answer volatile has to answer the ultimate question today when it comes to stake sources and that's class. His class will be tested like it has not been tested yet this afternoon. Over at Saratoga whereas with maximum security, it's almost what happens next i. mean what could possibly happen to this horse next between the Derby Q. and everything surrounding his trainer his former trainer, I should say. and. You know it's different now. He has spent his entire career on the east coast, and now he heads out west, so it's kind of a new frontier for maximum security as well. He's not you know. It was the first winner of the Saudi Cup that he was the first horse to go over there. Play of our horses have went over to the. Middle East namely Saudi Arabia of course more famously do by in the past couple of decades, but plenty of horses I remember when passing ships. Passing ships was an old hard knockin. Marathon runner he would go a mile and five eighths, and the gallon, foxy and now. Again Fox passing ships would run in the. The distance races that used to run in the winter at On Fox I was right. In new. York and I remember the Saudis bought him. After winning the display I believe. All those that old series of mile and a half mile, and five eighths mile and three quarter we had been passing over in won the race in Saudi, Arabia the mile, three quarters, two miles, and the class harasses and Angel Daryl went over and then when they came back. They all have these stories of going to the Middle East and running and you know back then it was It was different stewards who were not kind to say the least according to Cordeiro. To the American writers coming in and trying to take their money back across the sea, so Cordero's stories about the passing ship Shrimp Stephen Bob less hours as well all fantastic stories with this horse you know. He went over there and ran for twenty million for the first time and took on a another fantastic race. Mary, midnight. Zoo and You know he's got his storylines. They, of course, the two six year old has enabled. Insist Charlie. We'll see if they can. Compete at the level. We expect of them. at this point after the last two or three years of their competition, so should be fun fun day. As far as star power goes not just star power, though we start to look ahead like I said summer's in full swing and down in Virginia that means one thing. Colonial downs opens on Monday. We were there last year for their. Re Emergence they were closed for a few years. They got back up and running, and they had their Virginia Derby and we were their lives. Cover the Virginia Derby unfortunately this year, not only able to be there live because of the culprit nineteen, but we will cover the Derby and a big reason that racing got back up and running is Joe Byrne. She'll join US next use. The vice president of racing ops at colonial downs Joe will join us after the break. 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Year olds by Airdrie, Stud upstart are the talk of the industry at the B. S. March sale. All six offered were sold for an average of two hundred sixty thousand dollars, a spectacular return on his ten thousand dollars Stud fee. The six hundred thousand dollar sale, topping cold out of blue girl, was one of two upstarts purchased by leading agent Mike Ryan said we won't find a better horse this year upstart sired one hundred, one first crop, juvenile's twenty twenty, and stands at Airdrie, Stud for ten thousand dollars stands in nurses. Think about it. Racing is coming back this summer. And HR and will be there every step of the way tune in August I for the Whitney stakes and August eighth for the travers live from Saratoga and as always hr in is your radio home for the triple ground with the Kentucky Derby on September Fifth and the preakness stakes on October third, plus we'll have the Charles town classic from Charlestown and the Virginia Derby from colonial downs, and all the major stakes races from Belmont Keeneland Woodbine Pimlico Laurel Park Santa, Anita and more. Is your home for racing's biggest events visit our website, horse racing radio dot net to see our complete summer and fall schedule. I, this is Larry Comas in. You're listening to the horse racing radio network. You're listening to the Equine Forum on the Horse. Racing radio. Network they wind around of the quarter pole. It's credit swap in front. Here's English. Be Shooting the breeze coming up to join them on the outside, but English beat Poconos in front of the top of the stretch credit swap battles on down toward the inside down the fire outside trying to wind up his Jason Solitude and buying horses shoot the breeze. Breeze Tracks Smith trying to run on Vinyl Furlong. Time now credits resurgent after those slow early fractions English be write to is outside. Here's Jason Solitude on the outside tracks. Smith trying to find room. It English beat. WHO leads it down? The outside is Jason. Solitude English bj solitude these to the wire together I think English. Be held on Jason. Who is right there? CREDIT SWAP had to settle for third. Jason Beam on the call of the twenty nineteen. Virginia Derby English. Be got his nose down on the line. Welcome back to the form here on. H. R. R. N.. No, the baron is not going through. Peter Brady Voice Changed Syndrome on the big. AM They to be sitting in for Mike? On this Saturday morning is enough to join us now. Is Joe burn the vice president of racing ops at colonial downs? Jill thanks for some time today here on the fan. Yeah Good morning and thank you all HR in for all the support and coverage of our racing here at colonial downs last year was such a great success. Is Great to have the team here? Sorry, everybody can't be on the ground this year, but you know it's A. It's a strange here. It's a strange year and last year. You Guys I. Meet in in quite a few years, and you face those challenges bringing the building and bringing the product back and now this year the covid nineteen comes talking about the I'm mean you're you're accustomed now. You're used to your to season's over colonial having to build it back up. What what? What were the challenges? You face this year with the Cova. The meat really hasn't been affected too much as it. Yeah I think for us. It was more premium. The preparations of you know so kind of everything coming to a halt, and being stopped due to the Cova pandemic and also you know decisions that had to come from the governor's office from the administration on you know. Were we going to be able to race? What was that going to look like? All of that came so late as people were trying to figure this all out and what was going to be allowed? It wasn't so from our perspective, so many things were put on hold including staffing up projects that needed to be completed and just. Just all the things that you have to do to prepare for race meet especially when we're you know shutdown pretty much the rest of the year like we have a full staff Bilton Infrastructure and doing everything day day to day, so that was kind of the biggest part. Was that waiting waiting? Waiting all of a sudden you get to go, and it's a mad mad. Rush to get everything back together and be ready, but we're in great shape and sitting out here watching the horses trained right now and beautiful morning and tracked both tracks just could not look better. It's all coming together. I do remember in late winter early spring. Sitting around having a cigar on twitter one day. And The burning of the TURF force. The Oh came out, and I remember it was one of the fan I'm not just saying this the it was one of the first moments where I said to myself man. This we're going to be okay and I'm looking forward to talking to Jill. Talking to Jason Beam about the colonial because we you know last year like you, said we, we cover the we covered you guys, and we're over there for the Virginia Derby I. Remember saying to myself. That's a sure sign of summer and I can't wait till I'm talking to Jila. Jason and sure enough here. We also like you said you know. Obviously some her different kinds of hurdles to jump this year, but all jumped and they and speaking of hurdles. You guys got some steeplechase action to kick things off on. Yeah, we do on Mondays. We'll be running steeplechase races, and those will be non wagering events that will run before our live thoroughbred flat cards starts at five thirty, so these will not be part of our wagering or simulcast, but. Jump. Racing steeplechase rate has such a deep history in Virginia, and we have so many other Virginia owners and breeders that have supported the industry and supported Virginia racing for so long. That are also involved in steeplechase racing, so have two races on Mondays and they will start at four and four forty. And they will be live streamed to the NSA national chase. Associations I believe or youtube channel the. People can watch them there, but always excited to have people chase sources back. That was kind of my background. Way Way back in the day so something. That's Big Part of my life and a big part of Virginia racing. And I know that a lot of the meets. The mid Atlantic have been canceled in the false on shore the. Owners and breeders, the trainers and all the steeplechase set are. They have to be somewhat appreciative of you guys being able to call these races on your Mondays. Yeah, they lost so many of those. People Chase race meets, and hunt meets throughout the mid Atlantic as you mentioned during the spring when they're very popular, so to be able to have two races. Every Monday here for six weeks is certainly very important to them to their livelihood and. In the Virginia Breeding and horse racing industry, so we're. We're glad to be able to accommodate that. The whole steeplechase association has just been great to work with very accommodating with us on how to precipitate this so really looking forward to having him back. I should be. should be fun I like watching the Jumpers we have appeared. Obviously Wednesdays and Thursdays speaking of back. My Man Jason Beam just. tweeted wall, he'll, he'll be back. Back any shot some beautiful drone footage. I don't know if you've seen that yet. I re posted it on twitter last night. He did a a play by play commentary with a drone of showing. Both these tracks surfaces how big it is and these wide turns and wear your. Marker polls are in comparison to what would be a mile track or smaller tracks, just giving people the the look from above of the magnitude of this beautiful facility and the to turf courses dirt course. Yeah, it was pretty cool to watch, but love having Jason Back. You know not only. Is He a great announcer? But he adds so much to and marketing and promotions of horse racing with everything that he does so just that passion that adds to the industry. We're lucky to have. A true. A True Fan and student lover of the sport of Kings Yeah Jason's. Rabid. Ravaged usually a bad word, Jason's a rabbit horseracing fan like most of us are A lot to the table and he's a good. He's just a really good guy. looking forward to hearing his calls starting Monday so steeplechase races running early THIRTY FIRST POST Wednesday And we'll have some dirt races. I than our. You know turf racing in between and we have lights. The lights are only on the turf course, so that's why we always run the the dirt races earlier in the evening before it gets dark, and this of course handles rain so incredibly, so you know never had to take a wraith off the turf, not calling would but they've moved racist from the dirt to the turf back in the old days, but this dirt course now that we put in last year's just incredible. We had an inch and a half of rain in about forty minutes last night and the trackers fast. It's morning. Wow. That's why we have. A new surface appeared Saratoga as well, and everybody's raving about it and I think that's the that's across the Board Jill and you've covered racing for a long time. It's been a lot of places. I think the one thing around the board across the borders. These new dirt tracks just like the one you guys put in last year They drain better than anything. That's been put down the last thirty or forty years. Yeah. Safety is just it's critical. It's always been critical, but now it's just so much at the forefront of the industry, so it's a science to maintain to put in into maintain both surfaces, but the dirt surface to me watching this whole procedure and being involved with that last year. It's like you know Bacon cake, and you have to get that ingredients just right, and we're very fortunate. Have Ken Brown is our director of track facilities and services he just you know cans, a genius of a Superintendent and How to maintain these surfaces, so you know getting the grade back when it correctly getting the drain dry cushion just where you want it. Everybody raves about this dirt surface right now. Nine. Nine ten race cards. That is the plan yet? Monday we have nine plus you know early. The two people taste races so nine to ten races every night and let's see we have a late five all turf. which will be fun for everybody? He gets this full field. Jason, those fourteen horses make the turn down the stretch. I was teasing him. I said you know what Jason. How about if I went to all the same color tells it's like I leave. You break out in hives I would do. I would break out in hives for him as a as a little bit of a A little bit of a track announcer. Now myself spell. Nabil's new stables here this year. The Barn areas nearly full a lot of support. I think word got out last year, not only how great the racing was, but also how great the surfaces to to train your centrist, a beautiful facility for horses. Anyway, you know all these nice. Long dirt tree lined paths that you can walk around. It's not a concrete jungle by any means, but have really strong. Virginia bread and Virginia certified programs. Thanks to deb Easter and the VP TA and the Virginia Equine Lines and all the work that they've put into resurrecting. Virginia Bread Program and getting the certified program as well so strong support there we've got. Great support from the trainers Mike Films got twenty stalls here on the ground. You've got Graham Ocean back, I see. Todd pletcher has force. Running was rewarded. One are exactly systems Rosie steaks last year with. With four wheel drive, it went on to win the Breeders Cup, so he's got a horse. It last ran in rural Alaska running on Monday. A really good support from trainers all around the country and. the writer's situation. I think Anthony that's probably the biggest challenge to overcome, and I know it is for everybody right now with the jockey lockdowns. And that that's definitely a challenge for us, but Trevor McCarthy's Back Force Boys Eighty Davis. We lost unfortunately Dani Santino. He got hurt. They've for yesterday. Incident. Yeah, and and like you said that's one of the challenge. Everywhere you know. They just had the lockdown out of Donald. All the positives where locked like twenty, four twenty five guys and Gals in the room of here I'm sure at some point that'll it'll it'll all sort itself out and you guys are not a good location I know. A lot of people joke around about Howard tracks in the middle of nowhere that people will realize that that's how it used to be. Restricts were not. In the Charles. They were the middle of nowhere But you guys have a lot of a lot of whole power to right because you have all della park have parks, Gav, Laurel and PIMLICO. You have a lot of. Charlestown and to a lesser extent Mountaineer Press Kyle. You have a lot of pulling drawn Powell because you're in a pretty good spot as far shipping goes. Yeah, you know I think we do, but at the same time you know so many tracks are all running now at the same time, so everybody's back up and running, and then it is. It's the Kobe situation of not only you know how it's affected. Everyone the jockeys, but then. It's hard to send your help out somewhere in the transients, transportation and moving people back and forth and risk. That goes with that. We've got extremely tight Kovic protocols with our extra care program that we've put into place as everywhere. Has You have to? It has to be safety I you have to. Be Very very strong on mass, wearing on disinfecting in social distancing, but you know I think that's a challenge for horsemen is sending help out for a day and a half two days whatever it may be if they ship and run, and then if other tracks are putting restrictions on people returning whether jockeys grooms. However, that may work so now. It's going to be a challenge all the way around, but we do get. We're the melting pot. We get people from everywhere. Well great job getting up and running look forward to the actions starting Monday four and four forty for the steeplechase races, you can stream those live at the NSA website national. Steeplechase Association. Website and then five thirty. The action begins for tackling. Meet at will be on TV network course racing, so people can watch and wager there obviously twinspires.com respite and IRA bet everywhere. And you know, just look forward to having horses back. You're running. 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When when's raceway shutdown? They reopened raceway a smaller track down the road. And my family had a lot to do with the RE-OPENING LEAMINGTON raceway. And I remember going out when they reopened it back in two thousand thirteen. and up when I was eleven. I didn't really I don't know anything about it, but I just started going to the racist and I started catching the feeling won how amazing it is and the up close feeling of the racing. It was just amazing atmosphere, especially at a smaller tracks, the atmosphere there is amazing. So the next year I asked if I could call my. First Race I was aged twelve. when I call my first race and LEAMINGTON. So. It was pretty cool experience to do that and I got to call raises their every couple of years. and since my first race I've called at nine different tracks across North America. And going into Leamington me, I sit at a hundred calls lifetime now at eighteen. Wow, that's fantastic. Where else have you called? I've called A. In the states I've called a public park. Northfield Park Miami, Valley raceway. I've called the western fair raceway Grand River raceway. flamborough downs Dresden raceway. And Taiwa her spark and Carsley mixing. That's amazing. That's what made you catch the announcers bugs just the the being the races all the time. Just being there. What made you want to get up in the booth? I started one day I. Just started looking programs for the. Upcoming Racist for this for that week and I just started practicing and practicing and looking at the programs and then I'd call racist off the TV and. Just program after program I just started. Getting caught an interest of it just. Started happening and I just loved calling so I kept recording myself and bring it into the track, and showing everybody, and on the kids the one year when I was twelve. They. Let me call racing the first time. That's great dude. Do you have any WHO's your race calling idol? Did you go back and start? Listening to old race? Calls have an announcer you look up to. Announce I said of help. Me and I really liked, but I think some of the top ones. And the industry you gotTA. Look at people like Roger Houston Francs Leaf Kenmore contend those type of announcers are. The kind of the you, WanNa be. Everyone looks up to you, but there's been a lot of announcers that I don't like to choose a favorite, but like there's a lot. That are really I really looked up to in. That have really helped me on the way. Well, let's go. It's always good to have some help Now you still in high school you have you graduated college? What's your? Where are you academically? I just graduated. High school up all over to shake high school about a month ago. And in September. I'm going to Saint Clair College and Windsor. And I'm taking advertising and communications a three year program. Hope to on a racetrack one of these days. Pardon. Hope to run or or helping marketing promoter racetrack one of these days. I hope so. I hope it can come in really handy for the future. And maybe I'll take something after that program to, but not a high percent yet, but I thought it was a good place to start for now. To tell us about the LEAMINGTON raceway. Meet when you guys when you guys run How long's to meet Tell us about the home team. Well we started on Sunday August Ninth Post. Time one thirty We go till every Sunday to the last Sunday Walk Tober. And we also race on. Monday September seventh, so we have thirteen days this season so twelve Sundays in one Monday. so we have usually about ten races on the card. So. Rations we had this year. We have the Ontario's running new prospects series for. Two and three year old, so we have. They're coming to leaching three different times this season, so the one day is three year old. Colt Pacers two year old Colt Pacers. Gerald Philly Pacers and the other three year old Colt trotters. And we also have on a day to Lakeshore Cup for. For three type Pacers, so there's it's going to be a lot of great race. In this year, able to catch racist on our website lots to be streaming them on facebook this year, so a lot of new exciting things happening for the season and everyone is just pumped from him to come back. It's going to be different this year. without a lot of our fans there so it's GonNa. Be a lot of different for everybody but. It they'll still be people in the backstretch, but on seeks can be less with the protocols in place so. Everyone just the whole team is just very excited for opening day. It's just fifteen days away now. While you guys should be regulations Nathan. Thanks for some time this morning. We Regulations on, and the industry starved that we by Stuart, Morris here on HR and have a good one nathan best of luck to you. Thank you very much for having me on today. You got. Nathan, being track announcer leamington racially up in Ontario Canada eighteen years old, just graduated high school, wooded fantastic, fantastic story and a great way to end our number one here on this equine form. When we come back, you'll hear from Sean clancy. We'll hear from Ron Anderson and we'll hear from hall of Famer Bob Baffert. Back without number two right after we pause ten seconds for station identification. This is the horse racing radio network. From the rail to your radio, this is horse racing radio network. Who still very strong on the front end, maybe pulls away with a foreign authentic is undefeated as he will rob in San Felipe very easy. Two and a half way got me running up the store. Oh look at this fine philly rump ear John Velazquez. Let's all the sixteen. and. She is absolutely. Cornfield welcome to the equine forum squatters for the inside for travel auto auto major fed closing your traffic gamely. Mamnani s modernist communist and junior of a trigger off a low at quantum on modernist Don's Day. tosh shaken up shaking up a three length lead by my standard, trying hard, but he still second silver does his third multiplayer trying to come on late for fourth, but with a sixteenth to go? It's total domination four times daytime. Now. Here's Anthony Stabile. Welcome back hour number. Two of the Line Forum here on the Horse Racing Radio Network coming your way I'm the big a Anthony's wheel filling in for the baron on the backstretch. Mike Pence I am in Saratoga. As, we get ready for weekend number two here at the SPA. Lot of fun. Racing coming your way today poll question of the day you looking most forward to see run enable comes asked about an hour and a half out at Ascott. Sister Charlie in the Boston spa here at Saratoga, as well was volatile in the Alfred G Vanderbilt and tonight nine thirty eastern time maximum security makes his first start for hall of Famer Bob Baffert and you from Bob and a little bit In the San Diego talked. Briefly on taxi apologizes, HR and nation he was. He got busy on the track hand playing them. He's got sixty head up here so cannot blame him for getting busy one of the people. We don't see here's Sean clancy this year. The clancy brothers not hearing. It's a little bit of strange feel. Not Seeing Joe and Sean run around saw Tom Law. Couple of times already But Sean and Joe and Tom do a great job with the Saratoga special. The sorcery dot com and a cup of coffee would. Sean is known for and here at the horse racing radio network and equine. We're GONNA bring you a cup of coffee. Each and every Saturday morning during Saratoga and here's Sean now with the Baron of the backstretch. Mike Panel. It is my privilege to introduce you to a brand new segment here on the equine form. You'RE GONNA. Hear this segment every Saturday, through the end of the Saratoga meet which wraps up on Labor Day weekend and I can't think of a better way to start the second half of the show, each and every Saturday morning for the next several weeks, then with this particular segment in this particular gas, so let's get started. Let me pour a fresh cup of coffee and There we go and I'll Pour Cup to my good crunch Sean. Clancy, who writes it feature every single week in his Saratoga, special publication called Cup of coffees been doing that for about twenty years now and Sean first of all good morning. My friend happy to have you on board. Hi Good morning great to hear Your Voice and fun to get the band back together right? Yeah, it is, it's been too long and you know the cup of coffee segment and let me let me preface this by saying. The things are a little bit different in Saratoga the year. We're GONNA talk about that. Because you've now put out three papers US started on July sixteenth, and then on the eighteenth, and on the twenty second, and of course today is number four on Saturday mornings, so I guess it's been four papers so far much different than what we're used to seeing with the Saratoga special. Yeah, it's as we. Everybody's experienced this year. Everything's so different It's been very different this year Tom Law there at Saratoga. My, brother and I we haven't gone yet. Where I think we'll go by the end of the meat or hope to but you know it's a very different different field, different experience not being there. You know it's been. You know are engine room for twenty years being there on the backstretch all morning, all afternoon and all night. I mean we get deadlines late so Very different vibe very strange and you know I think everybody's just trying to adjust to totally different Different experience, different way of life and twenty twenty. Yeah, typically you would put a paper out every day during the meat, but that's not the case this year, either just Wednesdays and Saturdays. So that's a look than what we're used to seeing. Yes, very different I mean we've been a daily, and then when we started, we did six days a week back almost twenty in two, thousand and one. We did every racing day. and you know so since then we've been week. Wear daily newspaper so every racing day. Republican and This year with everything to change so much, you know obviously our advertising dollars are down. Everything's down. So you know and and having the access the ability to to tell the stories just was going to be harder than usual so we decided we'd do Wednesdays and Saturdays. Instead of you know every day, and still a great content. Still The you know feel like it's done the quality that everybody's kind of gotten used to with the Saratoga special, so that part hasn't changed. It's just a little bit, the frequency and a little better the. know the urgency, perhaps a little different just to be basically reflecting time seven that we're in today. I'm really excited about this segment the next several weeks and again the segment called Cup of coffee, joined by my good friend, Sean clancy of the Saratoga, special and cup of coffee. If you flip to the very back of the paper, or if you go online to read it, you scroll down to the very end, you'll see Shawn's Cup of coffee a column that he writes in every single paper. He's been doing it as he said since two thousand one and Sean on July sixteenth, your first one of the twenty twenty racing season. You started with a column that was titled No Toner and boy. This was a a reality check for many racing fans who grew up around Saratoga been going there and seeing trainer Jimmy Toner there for years. Yeah exactly. It was Tom. Law Actually he's. He texted me a picture of A. Big Pile of wood, chips and bags up front from Jimmy Toners Barn and No caption, no tax, no word and you just sent me the picture and it just hit me so hard. That's Jimmy. Toner is not in Saratoga, the maries. He's been going there know since his first year with nineteen sixty when he's assistant trainer, and then he's been in the same arm for. Almost thirty years I guess and one. They had. Jimmy Toner old school. traditionalist a purist and what he does is do this Straw pillows when I was a kid, every barn at Saratoga. Had Straw pillows out front meeting. There'll be a about formulas. Four five feet out in front of the stalls would be. Would be Straw of piled a foot, high and I'm and I. Remember sitting in the Straw pillows while my brother know he was like doing up old jumpers, and I'm sitting in the straw pillow hand in bandages, hands, safety pins and. Every? Barn had these incredible pillows when I started there. Mickey Prager and nineteen eighty nine Mike Freeman in nineteen ninety. It was very much Saratoga and Jimmy Toner is one of the last, maybe the last guy to keep the straw pillows and we'd go by there, and you'd see the straw pillows out in front of the stall, and and those great horses in the Wonders Again Memories of Silver Winner Memories, and all those Darby, Dan families and. It was like that was Saratoga is quintessential pure, Saratoga and To See Ship wood chips in plastic bags about to go into Jimmy Toner stalls. Man It was like somebody just. just kicked in the gut and So. That's what I wrote about, and that's very much. That's very much. The Cup of coffee scene is very much. What you? You know what? It's pretty personal man I get very first person probably too much and I'd be kicked out of Journalism School for from my style of writing when it comes to a cup of coffee, but yeah, you just write about what's on your mind. What your experience and good and bad, and I've like a friend some. Really. UPLIFTING ones and I've written some that are really just reality checks over twenty years. Yeah, those names you mentioned memories of silver. Winter Memories wonder again some of my favourite horses of all time I was a huge memories of silver fan, and then when winter memories came along I, immediately fell in love with her, too, and it was Yeah, you're right. It was kind of a reality check when you read this piece and you realized you know the impact that covid nineteen has had on our sport. It's headed on Jimmy Toner now, and he's not gonNA. Make the trip I I. Guess that the the covid situation probably played into that a little bit. He exactly me down on horses. He's only got twelve horses which is probably a little fewer than usual and Yeah, you know everything. As he said it just got started late came back from Florida in June two year. Olds weren't in and you know you got a late start. To! Look at Saratoga you. Don't you know what people don't factor in the expense on these trainers what it takes to go to Saratoga. Just looked at the numbers and look what he had to run and and the re a little bit of risk. You had to go up there and move. You know he's you know I. Think all of us are a little bit. Have that in their minds like you WANNA. Go to the risk of changing blazes and you know He. He's got four rents debate. He's got to exercise writer's assistant trainer and himself. It's four rents and They used to look at the numbers, and and you know who couldn't make it work and you know which is just. It's yet to reality check of twenty twenty hour. The guy like Jimmy Toner isn't in Saratoga. It's just It's really it's It's fish just It's just a reality check. Ame- really just like wow. Jimmy toners not in Saratoga. This guy's tab keeps US upset its purest. It's just an old school old fashioned at this one guy in today's world. It's meant to be in Saratoga Jimmy. Toner, those Straw pillows and his Darby Dan families like. Just to stand by, you know he's just Should be they're. Well that ties in to the Second Cup of coffee that you publish this here on July eighteenth than it begins the title of it is vacancy, and it begins with a quote from hall of fame. Trainer shook. mcgahey says it's hugely quiet. It's sort of eerie. You're not missing anything and boy to hear Shug say those words is Who that that'll take you back to? Yeah exactly and that was We did a stable toward phasing stable tour with Shug and went through his old barn. And then you know I was just Kinda chat and he was asking me. You know 'cause plan coming up and. I think when you're not there. You are questioning. You know you're like man. Maybe I should, I should be there. You know I think everybody's just wrestling with every decision today's world. So you know we kind of just got chatting Yeah, I'm and that was pretty sad. I mean that was and I wasn't sure. I was GONNA use it I just kind of man. Typed it out when sure what I was going to do with it. And then that's that's the kind of fun part about the about the cup of coffee on his you end up. You can kind of go anywhere. You want with it so getting. Look back and you find something that's sparks your interest in any kind of right right that from that point of view, but yeah, that was very much album and I wrote it. I think a lot of us are feeling. Not being being there, you know that's summer tradition and that you know that Saratoga standby. That's been such A. You know it's such it's such a tradition, and all of our lives and so so for deal for this year I. Mean I'm not alone? And Lots and lots of people aren't there and You know I just tried to write that. Just try to put. Some. Perspective on that I guess. I really enjoyed your piece that you published on July Twenty second call twenty years and I could relate to this because horse racing radio network I started on radio in two thousand and three. You began the special in two thousand one, so our timeframe is just about identical and You kinda take me on a down memory lane on this one. Sean and I know you did the same for you as you were going through and writing this, tell me about that one twenty years. Yeah I mean this. This is our twenty th in Saratoga and You know we obviously You know we started out. It was very much on. My Brother Nine, my old college roommate, trying to trying to start a daily Racing Saratoga and. I definitely misjudges it. I thought it was GONNA be mad. It was GONNA be easy, but I I thought it would be much easier than it was I figured we'd just be accepted very quickly and people would get get understanding and get kind of get the idea of what we're trying to accomplish and So from that to you know here. We are twenty years later to be very proud of of newspaper. That started you know absolutely from. From scratch without any backers without any you know we just survived on straight advertising from from from people over the years and so it's fun. It's Kinda look back when I got the first one out the first paper. Look through it was just. Like, wow here. We are sixteen pages. Look back! It's all the advertisers or not. All just a few advertisers in that first one. It was fun to kind of go back through memory lane and are down memory lane Look back at the you know the people and the the events and the things that have kind of contribute to it along the way and Yeah, I mean we've working with you. Mike over the years. We've had those conversations because on both. kind of created our things the same way and and we're not alone I mean. I was my brothers right there with me. Machel's right tear you and all the other. Allies and people that have helped us so. You know it's like any kind of anniversary, or any of those moments does give you that Kinda moment to reflect and think back of what you've done what you've accomplished and. What your? Life Work Life what it's been like. Yeah, fantastic, and I when in that particular piece, where you talked about the publishing the list of subscribers and supporters every day in the paper, and at that point, that list of subscribers included Mom Dad Aunt, Joan Ryan Jack Nolan's. Joe's Barkley just outstanding stuff. Man Really Really Fun read. YEAH WE WE! We were running that Os funny. We just running kind of we started early. We started running kind of people who. Were reading it and support it and. It grew to a big number two. It was fun kind of just keep adding people on there and I I. Remember that first summer starting to feel like. Maybe we would make it or maybe would eventually kikes carver, niche and Saratoga because. People would stop me and say hey. Put put my name on that list and put me on there. That made you feel good, you know. People are kind of noticing it and wanting to support it or wanting to be part of it so Yeah, it was a big big You know big been kind of. Contributors you know when people and you know that Mike when people? Stop and kind of know what your you know what you're doing and one of our favorite cup of coffees. I know one. You know you've made him when. You know you you haven't made it when it was. I wrote about that and each I just did a sentence for each and. Very funny, somebody stops you in the street and as a love, love your show love that paper, and then the next guy might say, I mean I've had people still to this day. I mean last summer had I remember had a guy. Walk Up. They come to that I've known forever and he said. You still getting on horses. Home, my God, like what where what's my life I? You know thinks I'm so and. Oh. That's. You know you haven't made it. Yeah. Yeah, no I. I can relate to that, and that that would happen all the time when we were at Saratoga doing shows on site, and you'd have somebody come up to you and tell you how much they loved the show, and then you'd have somebody come up to you that you've known for years and they'll say you still doing the radio thing. Yeah, thanks for listening. Appreciate it pal. Well listen. This is a cup of coffee and we're going to have a cup of coffee every Saturday morning at the same time with Sean. Clancy from the Saratoga special. All encourage you to go do this. Is Horse Racing Dot Com to read the special? Every Wednesday every Saturday throughout the meat, and again will recap that cup of coffee segment every Saturday morning, nine o'clock eastern here on the equine form Sean. Appreciate the visit. My friend and take care of yourself in the family and we'll talk again soon. Thank! You very much at me on Keep up the great work, thanks! All Right Sean clancy in the the Cup of coffee. 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Sahara on the outside is moving up into second as your drops back then comes via Dera at passing out is looking for a way through here's North Sahara. Here's via. Dare on the outside. The darrow wins at right at the end via Darah over north a Harra and passing out in third, and the time was one minute thirty eight seconds. The. Dale rose via Dera. Perfectly timed ride. By Joel Rosarito. Welcome back to the Line Forum. Here on HR is enough to join us now. This morning is fill in for the Barron Mike Minute. Is Drawers Ariosto agent Ron Anderson Ron bags from time here on the equine form this morning. Antonio thanks for having me. Well for a guy that's been everywhere. I mean the list Gary Stevens Jerry Belly League Great Chris Gently now Joel Rosario and John Velazquez one in the hall of fame. One sure Fire Hall of Famer One, unusual year Hong around. Crazy I mean the world's crazy, but our businesses Wow I made it up here to certain. Tolga the week. been on the backside since last Friday, so weaken A. And it's just I. Don't know it's just so strange. lucky enough to be running You know I also something that that. The point out I think it's very interesting. That were kinda developing a new clientele with Fox broadcasts and the naira broadcast where people are reaching out to watch the sport, even though they're not here and there obviously betting a few dollars and I think it's in a strange way it's it's opened up some doors in an area that Are Very, interesting? I don't disagree I've had plenty of friends of mine who don't really play horses who? Quite frankly bet sports who were Jones and they were itching for action a favorite bet. Two hundred. You like anything yet, but two hundred three hundred five, so yeah, I don't disagree. Now you're you. Guys are finally allowed back on the. Backside talk about what that was like. I mean because for months, not only agents, but but jockey's couldn't even go back there. In the morning they were they had to go to the room and ride in the afternoon, and they weren't allowed on the backside. We saw a couple of instances where jocks were actually not allowed to ride for a few days. Days. So what's that? What was that like having to do? All of the business I know a lot of it's not on the phone tablet now. But what was that like for a guy like us? Boots on the ground in this game for forty fifty years. What was that like for you not being able to go there and see you main clients. This. Strangest thing of all because you know I get a lot of I. Tell People I've dealt with so many. People over the years I can tell you even when I went to live in Hong Kong with Gary Stevens back in the ninety nineties, I can tell within like maybe half a minute whether a guy who was explaining a situation horse to me whether he was trying to bs me, he was trying to be s himself whether he knew what he was. Talking about her whether he didn't and when you're not around at people, and you tax back and forth, and you call back and forth sometimes you just don't get the same. Confidence level or a a a feeling from a guy. That's that you deal with. You know one of the worst stories of offer me and I've got a lot of good ones got. Tons and tons of great stories, but American feral. Taxing cost me American firm with with the dweller sorry. Bob. Text me back and forth and Joel had been to California. Twice during the week before, and I don't know if people realize this, but the worst and longest commute for Jock is from Saratoga del Mar. It's the longest time it's the longest distance he had been there on like Wednesday. He had been there on. Sunday, he had to be back Monday for the hopeful and the race was on Wednesday so he's going to go back three times within a week. And texting back, and forth the final texts from Dafur, it was. Can you get here? I'm running a maiden now if I just pick the phone up. and say Bob what you're on the made, and what does that mean, and he says look, he's a, but he's definitely okay. I go to California with. Joe Allen I ended up on American thorough as it worked out I'm thinking you know what I'm. GonNa kill this jock if I sent him out there one more time. In maiden, he bobs running another horse in the race I'm thinking. He's probably second at least or maybe third. I said no I should have saved this tax because it's a nightmare. By, omit right now. At Saratoga the jocks have to meet in the paddock. Generally speaking, you can only get one. Early in one late, so it's a completely different dynamics dynamic here as far as the writer's concerned. We were just allowed with the Kobe test in an updated license like I. Don't know five days before we opened at Saratoga, which I wasn't even planning to come up. I thought I'd do everything remote like we have been texting zoom. Zoom draws everywhere. And when they did open up the last minute, I came flying up your But it's just you know you're here. It's the strangest ranges feeling. It's strange. One thing that's not strange seeing run INS and writer, the top of the standings I, think a lot of people think Saratoga, they think teased brothers, but right now tied Jose leading rider I mean. Look you know. He's my favorite Rod. I've not bashful about this. He is doing everything right right now. Joel Rosario. Well. We've been lucky enough to get on a nice role with Kristof and like you said well, it's doing all the right things when a couple of for chat already which you know, obviously everybody knows that's major in the game. got a lot of good stuff coming forward here. It all feels good. Janis businesses good. He's got a bunch of chances today, so does Joel and You know we're looking forward. Mainly the for everybody, the race for me like. It's the industry has nothing really to do with me? I you know I'm a big business for for all and and everybody needs to make a living so lucky enough. That were were progressing forward. We're obviously a lot of sports were hugely interrupted, so it all feels very good. You have a you have a little well, not not completely unbiased opinion because Johnny does Reid John. Velazquez, does right sister Charlie today, but we have all star power enable kicking off in about an hour over Ascott her. We have just a charlie. We have volatile. We have maximum security later as a fan because we all start as fans I write who you look most forward to see, run today. Well let's start with enable that that would be great, I. You know I'm a big fan of the game period I. I love the superstars of the industry The you know they're the. They're the marquee performers and at this point. She starts it off sister Charlie I mean. What can you say about her? She's She's a superstar in her own right. Joe Ends up on Whitmore a star with a lot of ws next to his name in the Alfred Brent Vanderbilt and and up and rising star of volatile for Steve Asmussen who I don't know if people watched his last race, but that was absolutely breathtaking. What he had and let's see if he can duplicate that effort here. It's so total which. which we know is as the Graveyard of champions in lots of people can come up here with a huge reputation and they can be. can be beaten so I think that's a very interesting race along with mind. Control the Johnny Rides in the race who except for on a wet track. He shows up pretty much every time he runs. A maximum security tonight out in your old stomping grounds out in California. Yes, and that'll be another interesting scenario with Bob Baffert now training it sounds like he's a trained forwardly out there and then see what happens after this with racist kind of jumbled up. Leading into the Breeders Cup. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from his race today. And, Louis S is obviously back on him at the appropriate time. When when he can so it's a great. It's a great day of racing as you pointed out. We did not miss. The sport of thoroughbred racing. This is something I'm very proud of you. And I talked about this briefly when I first saw it when we first spoke back a couple of months ago. Thoroughbred racing did not miss a single day. During the COVID nineteen outbreak, I think that's an absolute testament to the men and women like yourself and everybody around the country that work. Tirelessly in the sport and I think it's something we really need to be proud of need. The promoters best we can. Well it's it's like you said. That is an amazing feat in itself that we were just able to connect the dots work through the health department, and the each individual state government to get the protocols in line to be able to have everybody follow through in line with all that I mean you talk about connecting dots I mean. It's a monumental feat that looking back I really astonished at how everybody everybody in everywhere was able to do this. Yeah just remarkable absolute Michael Rombaks for some time as always figure out dinner one night see around town. Sounds Great anthro! Take care. Keep up the good work. Next round you to Ron Anderson, Joel Rosario currently tied for the. Leading Rider Joel Joel Rosario has twelve Jose Ortiz has twelve radyr tease lurking after that five win day on Thursday with ten should be a fun riders race it here at the old spa this summer time now for a word from our friends over at four roses Bourbon. 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He smoked them in the Saddam. I'll maximum security over respond to run. Thank true timber and looking at Katie's. My Man, the voice of the New York Racing Association Jon Embree, Al on the call of the Cigar Mile. It was all maximum security. We'll see what he does. Today in grade to San Diego out at del Mar. Welcome back to the equine form on. Hr and I'm the began. It needs to be filling in for the baron of the backstretch. Mike Pence on Thursday Bob Baffert joins us on red brand radio, which you can hear each and every Wednesday Thursday and Friday from three to six PM. Eastern time on Sirius to nineteen Xm to Awan and streaming live at horse racing radio dot net Bob joins us to talk about not only maximum security return today, but some of his three year olds who are aimed towards Louisville and the first Saturday in September for the Kentucky. Derby here's Bob Baffert the hall of Famer from Thursday. From Butter Noodles Bob. Baffert Hall famer joins us. He adds a weird a segue ever. Bob Anthony's to here on radio. Thanks to some time this afternoon. Is the food channel. Bo-, Bobby I know you know Bobby Newman fellow. California boy Bobby Newman sends me now that I need any help, but he takes me down a very a caloric path on some afternoons here on the show. The bottle new hours RAN THIRD INDIANA. Grand just now named buttered noodles and Got US off on a tangent. So. We're several weeks from the Kentucky Derby normally and we'll. We'll pick your brain about your derby. Runners in just a few minutes. Normally, that's what we'd be focusing on. We have you on the air, but this year maximum security who you're going to run for the first time. It was going to make his a much anticipated debut. We had to wait an extra week for it in the San. Diego this Saturday outweigh. The turf needs to surf at del Mar.. I was trying to wrack my brain Bob about a horse. That, you took over. The only one I was able to come up with was warm them back in two thousand and two when you guys bought privately and went onto win the Kentucky, Derby. But obviously this horse? Something special talk about. Getting Him in your barn and how he's been doing in the several months since. Yeah we you know. He came in. He'd been turned out at the Farm Kentucky, so we came in. A little bit, you know. Sunburn had tell been outside just but he looks very healthy. And we just got him in there, but we would let me get a horse in. We did the usual. You know you weren't. Float through. Teach extra tape, do they whatever? And and then you have to. Give 'em, used to how every train feet differently you know and. And That was the only thing. He was very finicky about the way he ate Like I like to Cook my oats, a lot of sources and he will not. He will not eat that, so he has to be fed differently, but He's but he's. He's kind horse. really smart intelligent, so it's. It's sort of really. You know just to have them in the barn. You know he just gets really smart. Quiet horse and. And Just blessed that I have him. So you've had a great relationship with Gary and Mary West for several years at this point. When everything happens on March ninth a not long after this one, the twenty million dollar Saudi Cup How does it come about that? You actually get him in your care. Well I mean. When everything went down I got a call in the evening. from Jerry and And he just basically. You know what's going on and everything and I'm. Favor you know we. We've worked at Fran and Could you help me out here? Could you take this horse? And Would you be interested in taking? You know I until? I said sure I'll do it, and just you know. Let me know and if you change your mind. Know don't worry about it. You know if we're GONNA turn them out. We're going to get it back. Check them out. Tournament out that. I said that's fine. You know for right now. You know he was. Poor Gary and Mary what they were going to. You know just hit him like it was tough. You know so. He's pretty upset and disturbed. About the whole thing. You know so So he So. I waited and and he showed up. You know probably forty five later. My friends asked me for rides to the pizza place. Your friends ask you the take. Possibly the best horse in the world is a favor. Obviously, you were a fan of his going before he came into the barn. Did you kind of have a point once you got them in, and you were able to get an assessment that you kind of put together a second-half plan for him of that Saudi Cup effort. you know what I wanted to see? What he? What? He? What he? What he was like you know, get to know the Horse and You know trained differently I remember. His works where like? He. Give me smiles and let them work the last. You know we're different types. You know every trainer has their own style and it was now. I'm on that horse. And you know so I never. You know I didn't have any blueprint autumn or didn't ask any questions you know. I just got the horse like hey got the horse. He's naked here. Start from scratch and and start working and but he's I mean he's done everything right? I mean he's a then he here. My a lot of of several charm, Lazy Sorta Lazy in the Mornings got. Make sure you have to work with company, and so But He's you know he doesn't get tired. He's he's built like a bull and And so I mean he. You know he's been working working really well, and I'm just. I'm like everybody else you know when he comes out of the gate, I'm I'm like. I don't get embarrassed here. You know 'cause he's. He's he's. He's a great horse and he's running and You know the closer I get to the race to leak and badly I. You week ago yeah. We're ready to go, and then it gets close I. Don't know man you know, but he needs to get away from the gate and rent his buddies. He's a class horse and so. I think he's fit enough for the for for the mouth and sixteen. Between the Kentucky Derby controversy last year, every new surrounding his former trainer. As if poor maximum security hadn't been through enough, they had I going postponed the the race on them last week with the COVID nineteen outbreak. You said you happy. More doubts as you get further away, that must have. That must have driven a little crazy having to postpone wait another week. Well Yeah I mean you're getting close, and all of a sudden jocking hits coded. Horse gets cloud. You know I think the clouds following him and. So It was one of those things where it wasn't that big deal. It's like. When all the writers got the CO Ed. We would've been stuck with I. Don't know what kind of a job to call him, and they would have been left with. You know so. It was a good to. Get, everybody. At least they all had it, and they were all exposed to. At least they don't have to worry about that. The rest of the. Made but Yeah that one week didn't really affect me at all. We're fine. So able to D I was going to ride in for the first time and originally week Mike Smith was taking care of business view out here on the east coast. MOM would authentic taken down the Haskell. They postponed the race. A week and able to the oil is back aboard Mike's Riding Axeman for you in the San, Diego was there ever. A point where you thought about switching riders and maybe Mike, who has had success for you of course, but for you and Gary Mary West together just three years ago with west coast, taking a bunch of races, including the travelers here at Saratoga. was there any thought of maybe given? Mike the call. And ask him able to switch off to axiom. Now 'cause able head. You know he had a he. Able to get up to their horse and And you already told me he could ride them and so I didn't want to change that. And then. And Mike writes man. Really well, you know he they hurt. You know he's going to be tough. Pick up in there. And so you to give the. One two on them this year so? Give them a chance. Right him back. He was back on. It back on him so You know we WANNA. Win The San Diego and and next man like I, said he's. He's doing well. Can you run with a horse? Like maximum security is taking a step up into little allowance. Race there looks like as. He Lost Forum. He went way out for me, but now like he's coming back around so. At the right time so. That's why I left my county I'm just give them a chance. I give all my owners. They all get equal. You know so. He's one to on so I WANNA on their. Talking With Hall of Famer Bob Baffert, he has both men, and of course maximum security in the great you San Diego this Saturday out at del Mar.. We have a little bit more than a month until conduct everyone forty-six. That sounds weird to say after talking about the San Diego at the DEL Mar. The second wave of Bob Baffert, runners is. Getting Ready to Attack Louisville on September fifth led by authentic, who won the Haskell last Saturday? You also have the too lightly race colts, uncle, chuck and Cezanne Uncle Coming here for the run. Happy Travers on August eighth talked me a little bit about uncle truck. NCA Zong. Uncle. He's You know he's a big call ranging horse big long stride on them. Broke his maiden impressively first time out random long 'cause I know. If you look at his pedigree, it says six prolong, but he's not just totally different and I thought he'd like going further. To guarantee one I out still pretty green through them in the low Salad Derby. You know he was. Still Green still one thousand words was in there. Who is? Really I thought it was GONNA be top top poorest and he. He sort of went out four mommy, but now he's coming back on for him, so he's he'll. He's coming back around again. And so but I thought if he's doing well if he's working well I. Take a shot you know at the. At the travers, you know it's amount of quarter guests being. you get that big long strike covers a Lotta grants I think the mountain quarter. He should be able to get you know it'll and With his stride, and and he doesn't seem to get tired so. We'll ship them up there and see what he does, and if you either. Does well, and maybe take a chance at the Derby, or else wait for the preakness if it were to knock them out or something so. You know the travelers. It's a it's A. It's a huge race. Stig race so It was either that or keeping hearing running against. Honoring AP and that little hundred thousand dollar racing. And I, just GONNA run. Those other horses in there is on. You did something new owner ordinarily do Uncle Chuck? You sent them long first time more often than not they go short that just. That stride you talking about I? Did that is because? Didn't want to run him short. You know he didn't want to get him to. Either Working Amisi and slow, and I know he had a lot of speed. And plus. It was like. If, he's got. Any little chance of Kentucky Derby. I needed to go first out, and it was hard to fill some of these raises. And I would run in the time before, but it was six, and a half into the design was in that race and I didn't want to run those two together. So that's why now. And and I'm glad I. Did it was it was? It was pretty easy on. And says on. The shed belief for him next Saturday at Mar.. Yes. He'll run. him at thousand words were there. Bob We really appreciate it. Thank you for always last minute and everything, but we cannot thank you enough for always. Being very generous with your time same time here on H. Orrin and we will we wish you luck. This weekend, and of course the weekends to come watch going on over the Bob Baffert Blonde. Thanks a lot. Thank for him any time. All right thanks again to Bob Baffert, who's got maximum security a lot of stuff going on today in the San Diego at DEL, Mar.. Kentucky bred spotlight presented by Ktla. K. T. 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Irineu Toledo conversa com Rosa Alegria  Dilogo Nutritivo

Feliz Dia Novo

18:49 min | 4 months ago

Irineu Toledo conversa com Rosa Alegria Dilogo Nutritivo

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Episode 60: Hall of Fame, Sunshine Forever

Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast

16:27 min | 1 year ago

Episode 60: Hall of Fame, Sunshine Forever

"Okay so we're back once again. We mentioned earlier this week that we were going to do the Arkansas Derby weekend cars recap all those races and then come back later in the week. Talking about the hall of fame Some of the other developments that have come out recently in the times since Monday. And then also talk about The one the loan stakes race Which is the newly created sunshine forever Gulfstream Park which would feature the return of war will to the grass which We'll we'll get to that later on the show there's also Like I mentioned hall fame stuff to talk about so we will pick up with the hall of fame So the first the only two I I should say. Current contemporary entries nominees were inducted hall. Fame War trainer Marquez e who won the preakness this year with the aforementioned war of will as well as wise Dan the two-time Breeders Cup mile winner. Two time horse of the year. So those two both inducted as well as a couple of others via the Historic Review Committee and Tillerson that we'll get to in a minute but just to talk about those two going into this year wise. Dan was really the only horse that was new. You really couldn't have much of a debate about really the only candidate Of any of them that there wasn't much debate about two time. Breeders Cup Winner. Two time horse of the year really not much to discount. Wise Dan at all he would have would have been a crime if he wasn't a hall of fame induction first time out mark. Cassie waited a couple of years is now in the hall of fame but You know aside from those two. There were a couple of things that stuck out obviously to a lot of people. The other contemporary verses rags to riches blind lock have raided grace and Kona. Gold were not inducted this year and the horse. I'm going to talk about that to me. Was the biggest oversight. And you know it's just a head scratchers to why this has not been inducted yet was Kona Gold because you know we talked about this video of. You're interested in checking out the one that I did for Kona goal. Is You know this is a horse. It over the course of his career very consistent horse ran in five breeders cups one. One of them was an eclipse award winner. Still has the record for the fastest Breeder's Cup sprint. Ever on or You know just a lot of good things about Kona Gold and you know it's just kind of see it surprising that you know th the voters have not given this horse The ability to get and I know when we had a primitive on the show. Jay said he's voted for Kona goal every year. And I'm sure he voted for him this year and Jay was not very thrilled. Kona Gold was not inducted. But you know for me. That was the one that stuck out If we're going to talk about the ones that were inducted but to hit on the two that were inducted. Wise Dan absolutely deserving good for Turner Marquez. He's GonNa win a lot more races and now he's got that hall of fame tag next his name but Marcus he's not done and go good for wise. Dan two-time horses year. Another one in the hall of fame. Now Eric give his thoughts on some of the other ones. Because I know they're coming up to Eric. That were Kinda head scratchers yet. And I I wanted to congratulate the the two duckie's wise in Marquette. Obviously both very deserving Especially Wise Dan. You is such a cool course to watch throughout his career Greatest takes went on multiple services but obviously best undergraduate Markazi. I mean I really think he's just getting started. The healing won his first to triple crown races last year. trust me. He's GonNa he's GonNa get quite a few more before it's all said and done For me the biggest disappointment was corey. Nakatani I Usually it I just go. You can go back and watch my youtube video that I did on on it was it was. I just laid it out. Plane Timbale the only thing holding him back was the number one a triple crown race but at the same time he NATO that with his his multiple Breeders Cup wins Is these aptitude for writing the grass and Southern California? It seemed like he won. Pretty much every single graded stakes on the grass that was offered in. California and even in general. I mean talk about some great horses that he wrote throughout his career Ottomans probably the biggest one. So many other good ones that you just kinda gotta wonder why someone of that calibre does get in hopefully in the next two years we could see him be enshrined in the hall of fame. But it's still a little frustrating that he was told my biggest one. Wwl's another one that I think he'll he's obviously gonNA get some day. There's really no reason you shouldn't so I don't know what necessarily might be holding back from this one From getting in this year but at the end of the day is it is what it is and luckily there's there's always next year in the years following for for some of these people that didn't get any horses that didn't get into possibly get in and it is also worth mentioning one other trainer that I think all of us here Myself Eric Nj were all under the impression that trainer David Whiteley who trained coastal. We're all under the impression that maybe he'd get in this year he falls off. The ballot falls off. The contemporary belt goes to the Historic Review Committee. And kind of like what would happen with you. Know some person should say definitely With Baseball Hall of Famer but didn't get in on the actual ballot. I think David Whiteley gets in within the next couple of years on the Historic Review Committee Historic Review Committee. Did also induct a Racehorse. Tom Bowling and Jockey Darrel McHugh. So just a to mentioned those two also but side from that moving on. I know I did mentioned that. I was going to hit on some the other thing. The other news that have come out. Churchill is Churchill downs giving us a May sixteenth starting date for When they will have their return to racing racing at Churchill downs will begin back up there will be stakes races including a couple of newly created. Sixers the Plame the Shawny the war chant and the tap in all races that have been made for that card as well as the Great Three Matt. Win which is usually run around this time. A couple of weeks after the Kentucky Derby that is to get points actually and become a Kentucky Derby prep race moved up a couple of weeks from the are few weeks from the time that was run last year. But that's going to pick up ten derby points and we are going to see the return of a horse like Max field from who was probably would have been the Breeders Cup juvenile winner from last year. Looking at how weak the that field was would have been the Breeders Cup juvenile winner. He will return there that recently. Get Points. We'll see one of their horses over the course of the next couple of weeks Choose to go to that race. And of course the other reason on the UNDERCARD PIMLICO is also giving us a indication that they are finalizing a date Nbc's reporting it's October third. That's still not finalized but We're thinking October third for the preakness own October. October preakness as well as the third triple crown whispers around no Randy Moss. Nbc animals talked about the fact that the Belmont stakes might be shortened up in distance this year. Being that Horses have not run a mile. Have not even gone mile quarter yet so whether or not you want to have. Whether or not they're traitors. WanNa go mile and a half yet. I'm sure there are some but Just to make a little bit more appealing. Some people they that that would happen whether or not that happens. We don't know but that's something that's out there. I'll give you an opportunity to say what you think about that. My personal opinion is that we haven't even gone a mile and a quarter yet with a lot of these forces so You know if they short to a mile and an eighth then. That's the decision that they make. I don't think it's a terrible decision. You GotTa do what you gotTa do in order to accommodate the horsemen. Because that's really the number should be the number one priority. At least it. Yeah it's it's an interesting situation. Obviously one we never faced before development. Who's not always ran a mile and a half by the way so if people are worried about You know consistency state gets been changed before. So don't see history's being broken here because the race has always been at that distance and another thing. I've also seen as a lot of people think this is p. This would be naira. Kidding Bob Baffert. Who made the comment that he wouldn't run any horses in the Belmont If it were to be run at a mile and a half as the first leg of the triple crown and first off weeks ago. It was reported that was. The rumor began that the distance short shortening. The distance might be a possibility so it was not bob advertise idea and second off. It's not so much Bob. Backer being arrogant and trying to go against hit streets the fact that none of the horses in his barn are quick to Milena quarter faced off their pedigrees and bills. They are not mile and a half. Excuse they're not my on a half forces so that that's another thing I think people need to realize is that there's a that the Belmont isn't so much the Belmont was around without the Triple Crown. I HAVE. I have a very hard time. Believing that trainers would just send their horse to that race without any mile quarter mile and three sixteenths race ahead of it because there's not many horses bred for to go a mile and a half in this day and age. It's really just who can who can outrun their pedigree. That's what the Belmont is so the distance being cut. I'm okay with it especially with the circumstances this year And I I just really hopeful at the end of the day that the race gets to be ran. Because that's the first and foremost that I hope happens more than anything. Even over a decade the distance being changed. So yeah. That's another one of the things that is still being knocked knocked around obviously over the course of the next couple of weeks. We'll see things come out. It is also worth mentioning that Santa Anita has given a steak schedule. I'm not really going to go into that. It's still pending approval. And that's one thing I do want to just say if anyone is thinking that it's definite still pending county approval. I think there's definitely a reason. Why Santa Anita's being so confident about the fact that they'll be able to run racist one they are so that's leading me to either believe that The county is going to give them approval or Santa. Anita's going to take the county to court. If they don't get approval. I think the second one might be more likely than the first but I don't know I'm not super familiar with how the inner workings are going but just from the gauge. And I'm getting is that there's a reason as to why Santa Anita's being so confident and it's either one of those two things. It's either that they feel that they're going to get approval or if they don't get approval they're going to court and courts going to let them run so one way or another. I think we're getting closer to insanity going GonNa come back Los Alameda Is going to be running as normal and Loselle Derby is going to get some Kentucky Derby points as well. We don't know what number of points I could see. Probably Ten points allocated to that Ray Due to its proximity to the Derby but who knows Also Golden Gate did get back up worth mentioning that as well several other tracks like Lonestar and Charleston. So if you're interested in watching horseracing there's places to watch it but the big tracks Churchill's backup Santa. Anita there's contingency plan and naira will see whenever that information or whenever we get information on when possible opening day could be so that's it for just updating on everything what the cases with everything in the country there is one more thing that we're going to talk about today on the show and it is the aforementioned sunshine forever stakes which you know it surprising or very interesting that a horse at ten to one on the morning line is probably the most interesting horse on race and I know Eric was not very happy with the way that the morning line was handled for this race but were wills very interesting horse in this race. I I've always felt as I don't WanNa say as Eric the entire time but I've just always felt war of will always struck me as a more refined horse in the grass. I never felt that. He was fully refined on the dirt. Even though he did win some races on the dirt like the risen star and the preakness. I just always seemed like that. War will was better with the grass. He was a great state. He was a great one place on the grass. A to before he was even before you even want to race. So it's worth mentioning that word will pedigree says Grasso. He's he's back on the grass off. There's some other interesting worsens race. Social Paranoia last time out one the Apple Tin. He's probably GonNa go off either. The favourite or the second choice in this race depending on how much money war of will takes and there's some other source in this race like Halliday. The woodbine Mile Winner L. Tormenta is back even though he's not the greatest and then aside from him. You've also got admission office. Who's five to two right now in the morning line and Some other interesting to talk about as well. So that's the thing with war will. I'm really excited to see him on the grass of always felt like I mentioned already. I've always felt worse and I think it's giving him the opportunity to show us what he is what he is better at it. Yeah I think more will probably more aggressive or psych. Jack says the pedigree I generally surprise. He enjoys the Derby I wore front. Who decides what he your horses but is damn side is all grass others wells. The dams heart extremely graph heavy. I don't think he ever sired group one winner on the dirt In even he's progeny really done much to Do done much to you. Know prove that he has some dirt in in his ending bloodlines. So I'm excited to get back to IT I. I don't think that the the you know lay off from the classics going to be too much of a problem. I also think he's probably more of a mile As well I do like him kind of shorter mile. Long Racist so I'm excited to see him. Get back to that too. However the nine social paranoia was was so nice winning that Appleton last out. I think his his His biosphere is one of the highest of just in general racing this year. So far was super nice. Win The the big question for me is whether he's GonNa have a pace to run into I don't really think he will because there are a lot of early speed signed on So I kinda give. War Will the upper hand in that sense and he's probably more likely winner but social as a really nice horse and he also seems kind. Of course you can outrun You know slow pace that he has to close into so I think it really is. Is those top two right there? The morning line favorite is the eleven admissions office at a five to two. But that that that it's a really unwarranted. The horses not one since In allowance race in April of a year ago You sit the born in a bunch of great too racy great racist but none of none of the level of I think war willing social paranoia that those who would have been quite competitive there too. So I I don't really understand. Why WHAT JUSTIFIES? His morning line favoritism. But we'll see I. I'm on war will nearly over social paranoia. I think either one of them have a good shot to win. And if I'm throwing out at the replace Horse to seven hawkish He's coming off a bit of a layoff. So that's a little concerning Trainer is also yet to win this year attorneys from tha very solid trainer. Jimmy Toner of what? He's yet to put out a winner this year. So I think go bounce back. Well hawkish talented horse. So that's really it for this week again Not Not really much to talk about a couple of updates with tracks hall of fame and also with This sunshine forever stakes be interesting to see. How war wills able do whether or not he proves US right or. I doubt he's going to show that he wants back on the dirt but who knows it horse racing? We'll see but that's it for this weekend. We'll be back Hopefully we'll have some more information to talk about some more nice races to come coming up at Churchill as well as continuing with Gulfstream. So we will see you next week. Take Care Good luck this weekend and have a good one.

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Radar Metal Mantra #016 - Epica, Moonspell, Anneke Van Giersbergen & Evergrey

Metal Mantra Podcast

43:30 min | 3 months ago

Radar Metal Mantra #016 - Epica, Moonspell, Anneke Van Giersbergen & Evergrey

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Part 2:Dave Grening,James Sully ,Rick Hammerle

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:26:02 hr | 7 months ago

Part 2:Dave Grening,James Sully ,Rick Hammerle

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Guess some rotten weather Just in time for cigar mile day. yeah fortunately The pretty lucky off ball and it looks like they're about to run out for tomorrow Lottery and on the way and i think it will have an impact on the especially the cigar mile. I think too you know pretty. Decent horses sprints fire and Mind control very good. Possibility would come out of that race. neither one of them has shown their connections that propensity handle sloppy track. And you know. I guess what they say. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. I think these trainers kelly bringing in My and greg sacco are no longer insane. I think the looks like it's a bad track. come three forty four tomorrow or four thirteen tomorrow I think they'll find those two maybe gulfstream and a couple of weeks renowned weather forecast have been wrong whether forecast is known to be wrong before. So you never know well. And you know forensic fire headed to headed to stud career. And i think so. Right at pleasant acres. I believe didn't name rama bardy. I mean i didn't see that around. The body told me he was running them next year. Okay all right then that then then. Maybe that all right i had seen. I thought i'd seen that There were there were hints that I suppose that may have been that may have been tied. Potentially to maybe that this race Could be maybe. Maybe there was some Conditional elements that. I just i i. That's speculation on my part but All right well. The either way i mean. If you'll be around he could wind up there when it's all said and done i just think i don't think it's all said and done this year or an interesting okay. I guess there's always. I guess there's always the potential. He could run a few times gulfstream next year wintertime. There's a lot of races at least three that he mentioned to me that are on net possibilities if they don't run here And then i guess they could go later years. I guess. That's but i got the impression talking to ron. that he wants to run Run them all all next year. And why not i mean if you can if you can make another breeders cup that would be what five straight years. The breeders cup in that the next year. Why why wouldn't you want to try and get a little california. You know california dreaming me. Why not all right The you mentioned the breeders cup and of course he comes out of the sprint. If he's going to participate as those bone rezone For jack sisters. Sin and sister sin peppered the the box with both zone at true timber. we we had Randy hill on the other morning. He was paying tribute to his friend and Stable manager billy Price and he surprised us with the news that that george was entertaining majestic dunhill for the race and then lo and behold there he was You know when they opened the box on wednesday were me too. I haven't crossed off after he ran so poorly in the fall. Highway and i guess the fact that iran so poorly in the fall highway was you know it's almost like he didn't run it all so i guess they said you know what i remember talking to george before they opt for the all weight instead of really not sure what way to go short them upper or or go long so i guess shortening up didn't go long. It didn't work out so you going long. He has run well on an off. Track i guess. I don't know he's two or three hundred. West tracked and the one bad race is the forego and. I don't know what you would call that track that we almost look like the river that day that that was beyond floppy that was That was a type attract forego day that if it wasn't for go day they might have actually canceled my Well that would. That would have been too bad for win win. Win and trump trumpet. I saw i saw the funniest thing the other day. In fact somebody had put up a poll. What what what has been your favorite race What has been your favorite race of twenty twenty. And i saw my my trump medicine the forego and i so i wrote back. You're a homer that That that's a that that answer the fix was in know. Obviously this is a bit of an unusual cast. That came together for this dave performer. In a lot of ways shook his on a what feels like a real pronounced tear by the way Performer feels like a very important spot for him. And then you gotta horse like snapper sinclair turning up off of those turf races. You've got stretch outs. You gotta turn backs mr buff. I mean there's all kinds of things going on and then there's the return of kim guillermo Who you know sadly missed the a chance at the derby and other assignments and this becomes a big race opportunity for him. Then i guess this is the the eclectic they wish is where you can throw in the eclectic cast. 'cause you do i like snappers like downhill. I had no idea. Snapper sinclair was ever even entertaining this race and You know he has won all year affect the overall the whole group is like twelve fifty two And i think three of those wins some from by bond radon in the cleaning races or something like that so Actually that's not true. That's a one. It's a weird group and it's been a weird year for horses about a lot of everything but performer. This time last performed with getting a break after after winning the discovery and they were really looking forward to a four year. Old campaign was going to start in april and the carter in the met mile. Mighty up the whitney and and you know he might have been a worse. That people were talking about the breeders. Cup We got to the end of the year Then twenty twenty came in. This is his second start of the year. And i really don't know we know how good performer is. And i'm not even sure we'll know unless he runs off the screen tomorrow out. Good is because if the wet track you know impacts that race or not. I think next year we'll know how good performance if you can get a normal year but His comeback race the solid. He made a solid one. Thirty three and four Going to mile it wasn't Obviously wasn't russia's to cast he's ever faced and actually he hasn't faced much at all if you wanted to know little pots and pain or like the best horses run again so i can see where people can raise an eyebrow that were why do i wanna take a short price on performer You know in what's going to be Got the track and some forces in here potentially if they stay in the top one ever met. But if you don't go to perform a forensic fire and mind control due out. I'm not sure where you go i. I'm sorry i i. I know that the the nice story with king guillermo in the baseball player in the ninety nine dollars or two hundred dollars. Mutual Derby and whatnot but i mean rested him. Come in off the six month. Layoff and and take on older horses in the slop And attract he's never been to before and you know cutting back one. Turn mile i. I'm not sure what And then you know. I talked to one of the other day. He said to me he said two weeks before the kentucky derby this horse was one hundred percents top of his game. He says right now. He's good but he's not as good as he wasn't new order for him to compete against a great one. Its own horses. You have to be better than you were. So i i don't know I don't know what to make of kim gmo. and then there's the nominees Or big mush. Say mr buffs or worse. I can run mike out when there's a a little asked with a box around it and he runs. It doesn't run at all when there is a name in a in a grade next to it. It's just it's just amazing that that the now it's not so much that he has to win those races but show up perform do something and he just runs and you get past. And then he just spits the bit and I don't know maybe being an aqueduct. Well he loves ecuador maybe a wet track. He liked the wet track being in front. He's gonna be in front. But i can't i mean i can't trust mr buff Just given his past performances and then these types of spots so i wound up for former thinking that you know what i i think a little bit of exception with the you know the the characterization that shug tear he's won a couple of states races which make it look a little better but for the meetings like three or four for twenty something. I know I guess he got his fourth win yesterday with dreams up tomorrow and now it is a little bit. Notable james tomorrow was the work eight to work back with the performer. He was sort of the target. That performer has the You know that's a good sign. I believe that would be november. Twenty work which is in the mud by the way. So i don't know i think performer is potentially a very good horse I don't know that we actually have the documentation to prove that. But maybe that'll come to a more The one One quick note on the pace Part of this involving mr buff kendrick car moosh gets back aboard true timber and the assumption you know given his participation in in nothing but you know. Authentic sprints about true timber is going to be part of this pace and Mr buff is not going to be out there alone. I don't think picture timbers the rabbit for ball raison. I wouldn't i i wouldn't say that but i i well i jack wants to approach it that way. I mean car moosh you you look at the bergen and the forego. The vase went and forty five and two and forty four and three in the forego and at the in the forego he was basically pressing for the lead and got the lead in fact At second call. And that's that's faster than than mr buffet is going to go. I could see that. But just don't know that the horse has really been successful that that maneuver. Like i think he's been second in this race in thirty two one third in this race thirty one and typically they were off the pace type of moves and I i understand what you're saying. And maybe and i guess you know. Look at the last race of the day gonna be all dirk probably before that one turf schedule. They can't see that happening And i guess you get an idea of how the track is playing at that point in time and if it looks like speed is good then i could see your point I actually think i'm not saying that. He's fast enough. But i if you look back to two races. Recently that majestic bill has had success when he was into the race. And i know that the pace the bold ruler was forty seven but the one in the allowance race at belmont was forty five and four. And that's kind of the type of pace. That you know. Mr buffers pike capable of setting and i could see the justice gun hill getting gigged away from there and getting into the race a little bit interesting to two races that you know we got beat her neck and then he won the fold ruler when he was sitting when he was closer to pace. I totally disagree. With their you know anytime kendra jon horst natsume assuming he's going to be played but i i don't know I don't know if that's the way that's that. His most success it. It's an interesting group. Evra's areas going to obviously have to gain some early position to leaving the shoot with performer. But he's got you know he's got natural gait speed anyway so that doesn't seem like that's an issue and We'll see how you know we'll see how forward They they feel like he'll be sitting. No no no worse than third Early on i. it's a. It's a intriguing situation. I i hope that mind control and forensic fire can participate because Without them at Little less a little less engaging day. let's go now. I was going to shift gears to the two year. Olds and speaking shook and kelly brain They obviously the book ends in this thing with picking time on the rail and ten for ten ten for ten sure feels like You know a controlling speed or loose leader potential. Yeah that that is potential. He did have his one big big race in slop that the main win one that delmonte when they control things i didn't like his last race You know he had the rail and he went out there and Kind of i guess. He chased the horse Or or was in front of the horse. Kept the original headset appear isolate and and i just didn't like the way you've action wasn't a strategy was late changing leads. It'd be changed at all now. Granted was can't sell me. That decision i guess to go on with it You know he's got back with jose ortiz. Now knows a little bit better. Probably having been on twice with a win and a second And i guess the other question is and i think shug has the question to in his mind. What he's expressed to me is really. Does he really want to go that far. And i think that's sort of key in in in these two year old mile in eighth races in december november december who it may not be the best horse moving forward. But it's who wants to go this far at this time of year. And i think we do know that known agenda wants to go this far now. He did run very fast when he won that race. A maiden race on november eight that weekend seemed like a track. And the kickback was You know inhibiting a lot of things that that that the opening weekend here and you can go back into some Past redskins to think kotabato honor code. I think one rents in and even maybe mohannand in times that were just so slow that you're like how hard to hard to believe And they turned out to be pretty solid moving forward. Don't agenda. I guess the interesting thing or two interesting with me for known agenda one is the fact that in that race he be greatest honoring after getting past coming back they were twenty one lengths clear of the rest of the field. You very rarely see that. And then the debut. He was second so highly motivated. Who came back and won the nyquist. Thanks chad brown at the breeders cup weekend in in a nice manner with the with the high beyer speed figure so i think known agendas. You know it's coming out of the main ranks and hasn't had the state's experience he's running against a couple of nights words. I think that greatest honor for show could be okay as well. I think maybe the most interesting worse than here is the one that Well it'd be four choices brooklyn strong the new york bred For basque lasca. Who won the sleepy hollow by two and a quarter lengths. And i think this was wants to go to i. I actually think the source will stretch out you by wicked strong Under out of daily doral mayor. I handle turns in it and i i know he lose ortiz to ten for ten but he picks up rose area which is not not a bad thing and stepping out of open company or stepping out of state breads. Look i wanted made fortieth delaware kind of got away with that. But i he interests me a little bit just on the experience and the fact that he finished last race i think he does want to go for how about the the girls race That up with a with a fuller field and A little bit more of a diverse set of horses to From a stallion standpoint Kirwin certainly dominating The entry box three curl in phillies lineup. Yeah and to me. It's between two of them malachite Obvious gone favorite. And i've never called millie philly. Call them at all. I know you have. I think somewhere along the line itself somewhere. Maybe it was on your side that you have the actual right pronounciation but like nearly philly. So that's where i'm gonna go with right now with four length victory in the maidan ranks. But i mean malefactor mazen impressive both are starts and I think she's she's gonna be very very tough to beat. I think Boo curl the third pearl. And i just find it a bit of a tall task coming off a three month. Lay-off off the one seven eight the second two races but the seven eight I don't know that this is what they were actually looking for when They was looking to bring her back. But i could be wrong on that. But i i actually thought they were looking at maybe coming you know. Start back in florida. But we'll see she's is she stays in but to me. Those three kind of stand out over the rest catholic cyanosis wasn't really thrilled with the trip. He got if you got under cancelled last time and she should stretch out. I'm just not sure I don't know that she's ready to make all that much. Depend like needed to make up on mala fat at well this until you just said it. It didn't occur to me that That jon embree al has the potential for you. Know some real Interesting you know. Stretch call i if there's a battle involved here with the malathion mill fe This could this could turn into a clock stopper ghosts zapper situation maybe my favorite of The durkan stretch calls one. That doesn't get i i i. I don't know if you can find the video anymore of that one but You remember the clock stopper go sapper at saratoga and the the allowance. oh my god tremendous and durkin Who celebrated a birthday the other day. clock stop or go sapper clockstoppers go separate and for it's a it's a it's an absolute corker and i've looked i've looked for the race online and i cannot find it so if anybody's got got that forgotten classic it has to be forgotten for you not to remember that that that That one the four. Pack your your taxing my brain a lotta years ago. Who else in here as as got Any kind of a look you know. Here's suga again For joe allen with The empire maker philly cafe society in which is a great name for a horse. And then you got a couple of outsiders I i love I love mitch. Friedman taken a swing in here with karen mocha. We're why not i mean. I don't know that'll be ninety. Nine one again so but it'd be close to be the snow in this I don't know. I think the dollar mountain just because she's one of the flops before. Maybe i'm not sure. I think it could be. I'd be hard pressed to get past three plus even show To me i have a hard time getting past the top two but i guess dollar mountain where some respect. Just the fact that she's shown the ability to handle An off track before going on distance. Ground now The zell and the revson for the two year old's Testing the nine furlong distance and we should slip into that the gopher want on Saturday the one mile standard The grade three and Didn't really look at this that closely. To be honest dave. It's not not the rate of go for wand all ever run it won't be a memorable running Madeleine your morning line. Four to five favorite. And i'd just do that. That's i think that's all you need to know. She's four to five I actually find her to be more effective round to turn. She was just awful. The alarm You know. I guess if she runner lady's secret bags she could win. That i guess the the interesting horses because of where did this performance come from his sharp star. And the new york red for Racer possum barry schwartz. Money's three year old filly Was just running so so numbers and so-so performances and then she shows up on opening weekend and act with dog with a Fifteen and three quarter lengths blitz and a one on one beyer speed figure I guess allowing her room to bounce and still win. She's two for two at a mile. The one turn mile which is what this race is. I think she has a wet track. Pedigree just that jose ortiz. It's just a matter of you know if you know. Where did that come from. Was it more so her. Running against a bad group is finally getting the light bulb. Come on. I don't know he can't get that excited about her. Price will be because you'll probably get a second choice Is this is a hard to need a you know pointing anyone in the right direction. Maybe photo creek Portal creek comes in for one guerrero in good form Not sure what she's been facing down apart. She got a good record She has one victory in a wet on wet tracks. Although i don't know when that was because it wasn't the most recent start She probably offered the most. You've got your boy sean. They're probably put her in front I don't know where else to go. The other ones need look graceful princess. A great pedigree with Minimal talent so Yeah i probably say talking baby giving puerto creek a shot at as the potential upset are just because she's informed smell and of course This race The gopher wind Originally known as the mascot named for the hall of fame turn of the century philly that That was exceptional and james keane product and I think that the mask. It was a great one at one time. Was it not. I believe it was and remember though this used to be the the from haning standpoint of the believe. This is the top flight. These were the top late around this At the end of thanks at the end of the year You know you see that. Friday after thanksgiving And then they they move things around and get rid of that one. They moved to go for one from saratoga. Here so i. It's not the same race i think they just fooling around with their names kind of dropped one and then they kept the go for one but i believe they the first light top flight We've grounded all flights jones Go go for wander. South of course won this race In nine hundred ninety and the The list of winners. You go back. is is pretty augusta at this lady. Your those winners were winning races. That weren't really disrupt right. That's fair that's fair. I mean they were winning the mile. Then we're going to believe it was to turn rate in saratoga from research mistaken And then they get me started kind of moving things around They dropped one and then they just for nate. They they kept this morning then. Moved into the Like i said. I used to be the last weekend in november. This year didn't really work out sedan and sped. You know it's weird. How i think last week in churchill downs got more forces out of the breeders cup than this weekend at belmont our academic and they kinda movies written back hoping that they could get some horses that come here and I'm not really sure why all those heroes opted for those races that they did churchill last weekend between the allowances and the in the Golden jockey go jockey kentucky jockey club and nobody took a look at this race Bother to reach out to hear what he got in that race. 'cause it's really It's got a super strong and it certainly with only five horses that you could get a great steaks place and the those coveted derby points. That's right that's right. Dave on sunday You mentioned the turf situation as it happens all of next week. I i was shocked when the overnight came out yesterday that some of the races that had been in the book and had been potentially extras for the weekend were brought back for thursday that included a number of turf races and there had been rumors that sunday was gonna be the last day of turf. But it's going to be clear and dry in the fifties all next week and it looks like the racing office is going to try to get some more turf races in thursday friday saturday. I think so. I think they did a smart Very smart maneuver by not carting any turf for sunday And say you know. They carded one for yesterday. I guess 'cause they had to make ten and making tender races and december is almost impossible but they had nine and cement does in and they took like you said the turf races that were scheduled for sunday. Put him as extras. And if the weather allows i don. I didn't fifties next week. But i thought dry weather but if it's If it is dry. I i think they could actually get away with the you know maybe one on each course per through next weekend if the and that's what they sort of their their hope is to get to the second weekend in december can. It's not always possible but like Bottom is. I don't think we're done with turf racing after today. I do think that there's a chance that you know if if they all leave You know that they can squeeze in another couple of turf races next week. Excellent and Dave we've got I didn't look much other than to look at the overnight but You got the two stallion series races and You've got the garland of roses on sunday. We actually did get breeders. Cup fourth For the dreamers disease. Since i ran the participation in the race right He's by over under. I didn't really look at this. I'm gonna say over under on lael bands and he's two races. I'll set it seven and a half twenty four six twenty. Four awards is entered and I'm sure see. I'm looking at the. The boy raced here in. San mateo bans Wan to with wars disease Jacobus three and who knows four. So yes four out of the twelve band and mc dreamers vs the you know. it's very very cute. Horse go from the breeders cup juvenile. The was the staten island. Or whatever whatever they call it And i would think that he would be You know given the fact that his keelan allowance race was one turn race. I wasn't going to turn my sorry my bad but you know. He didn't terrible breeders cup by set the pace and probably helped out his stablemate. Who came back in one keeping your mind so Healthy awful puffing their voice at four right. let's go let me take a quick to philly raids and banner in there just to thunder job a hot mess and Who's the other one they're Look my practice. Probably going to be the favorite. And so i started at seven and a half. It was under you you. You've got nice majoring taking thousand dollars forces. There's a little bit much but hey Why not. It's a good sized deals. But i think you're going to Strong favorites that are gonna you know again. Leyland gandhi blazquez. We talked about him with brooklyn strong on saturdays card His first stakes came on the october. Twenty th card back back races with those horses and lay abandoned. Prayer was very impressive in the one turn. Mileage should be magically impressive. a nice outside draw in in this race on sunday pastas one company from the dirt by were cancer What else is there that it is another one. That's wicked coming from synthetic camman story on the rail they're Goodwin win on the wet track did beat the next winter. Not sure he throws a derail. And i think he wants to go further with the source but why not still want turn race and I guess the interesting thing for the weekend. Something we have. Chris come on and kendrick or mussa both for their first new york Titles at a meet I think Clermont fate will probably be determined tomorrow based on how good of a date todd has. Because he's got the live runners and three of the stakes and a couple of other races I don't know where chris off next winter if he does have an next. Winter comes from For the last few days but he has not yet won a narrow meet title. That has a chance to do it in car. Moosh parlaying very strong opening weekend. Breeders cup weekend here Still has a three win over can fell by the way who's out. He's taking days this weekend. So we've got four overrode area. Who is gonna ride your through the weekend. And i believe through next weekend as well. It's been announced. He's going to right in california For the winter. But i think he's going to stay here for another week At least maybe maybe till the the break that we get a nice little ten daybreak But i know he's gonna right here at least through next weekend before taking a little time before he had that one. Finally dave before we go one story that i have not touched on that Came out Last week essentially or over the weekend Thanksgiving weekend the the story involving jimmy toner and The move to fair hill and It it's notable that somebody like jimmy. Toner who you know at this stage of his career particularly would would pick up stakes and Put a drop down a in maryland. He told me he's talking about this about a year ago. That he was thinking about doing there was a you know a year ago. Now maybe two. That i wrote a story about some trainers that we're leaving. You know very concerned about the high cost of living and doing business in new york with workers comp and just everything and just living in new york and the labor board and he had mentioned to me that he was thinking about doing it last year i think and another reason addition to the cost of doing business and everything. 'cause daughter catherine is in dc immigration attorney in dc and. He wants to be a closer to her more easier. Access to get from basically northeast maryland to dc and age Is it richardson right. Aj suited racing. They have a barn. It's there hill. So he's going to be able to use stalls there 'cause all those all those barnes are either leased or purchased by trainers or owners who have been there and what a great play. I went there a couple about a month ago. see graham and i went there two mornings at road just a great place through worse i mean i i think if i if i want to be fair hill. It'd be honest. It's just a beautiful Facility there and and and more relaxed scenario there for those horsemen horses. So yeah he's been here since nineteen seventy three. And he's got It's a mark of a good horseman when you have. You have four stakes stained afterwards as you trained. And i believe he's got four stakes named afterwards to see strange Pretty good indelible mark and and he and catherine one of the you know one of the most popular couples On on the racetrack. And in town and i i guess this means. They're selling the house in valley stream himself. Yeah you know no reason that you know if he needs to ship to new york he can't. He's got that nice philly season That want saratoga. I out and then. I think they try to stay up. Upper canada didn't run as well. And i just think they remember talked to him after that they put it away letter mature a little bit. I think mentally she. Wasn't you know ready to tackle the upper echelon so You know he'll be at florida first and you know train down there and get her started Training and maybe get a racing. Then i can see that where it's potentially coming back to new york. For one of those races in the series the race for the three year olds fillies one of the one of them really wanna top horsemen for this long in the game and Well it's that familiar orange You know that that orange klotz and Saddle pads and stable signs and Well jimmy toner. All right. Dave i appreciate it and should be an interesting few days and I'm open to get down there during the week we're looking to. We've been waiting to get our our two year old colton Scares ondo and hopefully thursday. So well and this is usually our typical year end conversations because it's happening in new york. Gotham always you and your family and your listener the joy holiday season. Thanks dave dave grinding. Everybody diaw greenwich and they've getting ready for the winter season through acqueduct and the big big card saturday and looking forward to it even even if the weather is inclement. We're going to stay right here. We've got about half an hour. Exactly we're right at the bottom of the hour and james scully standing by. Get some handicapping in with scully than hammers gonna swing through that. We'll do some more capping to with with nick. Tammaro plus Dave's colleagues mike. Welch and steve anderson all coming up here in the second half and say good morning james scully. Good morning james. This worked out well because we couldn't get to you in our one so To connect now yeah absolutely it The miserable morning here lexin cold and rainy overcast but Sounds like that exact same weather. It's gonna it accurate tomorrow so Unfortunately for that Card but all the all the greatest stakes are on the main track and i hated to hear that about for inspire and mind control partly coming out of the cigar mile though i know that that that would diminish the action but We'll see watching not to be on our toes a little bit before we talk any handicapping and the weekend. Let's get Let's get a little bit from you know last week and the weekend from your vantage point the two year old car on saturday Plus a course. The change of venue moved up to turf way. We got a couple of cards. In how about some thoughts about the what we saw last weekend. And and how you're approaching you know this this kind of seasonal shift sure. Yeah last weekend we had a two year old state rod kentucky jockey club at churchill downs travel call them who won the jock Goldenrod was more impressive. And keep me in mind. Who won the kentucky jockey club really. I thought a big effort her third start. You know she didn't she one on oak. Stay In you know pretty short form by couple of lance was the front running victory Prostate philly and she came back at her second. Start out the by'dys. I didn't think she got out of the gate very well. She just sort ran evenly around the track that day. So you know cox gave up any thoughts of the breeder's cup juvenile fillies. After that performance pointed her to the goldenrod she wants again. Didn't get out a gate that bath. That just does break that well or happened. So far in the last few starts got squeezed. A little bit was way off. The pay may be ground near the end of the far turn and then she ran right into traffic Ca you know saving ground along the side sh- altered course out and really. It was tough for the runner. Up really ran big race but trump call good. I keep me in mind. Really you know he. Grinding it out smiley. The baka almost stole that race than the lead. And you know he's a nice horse The just race didn't come back very fast. But i'm not too concerned about that. I i look at a horse like keep me in mind. He's obviously going to have to prove Next year at three year old. But it's possible. I i i do like. I do like a horse like that. That shows some classes to perhaps he is the fastest and his crop but they they have the potential to get faster than three year old I wouldn't dismiss his chances and the other main thing last weekend as far as just the derby goes was the first pool the kentucky derby future wager. Life is good. Got that dow game winner was Bob to one couple years ago after the breeders cup juvenile filly Juvenile win in pool. One and that's the shortest price in the seven year. History of the pool. Life is good closed at the same price obviously. He ran blazing fast. If you watch his debut win the he was just like you know. He was determined all speed but he certainly looks the party. The big looking cole. His female family is Like distorted humor mineshaft. Dixie land band walkie. There's damning and female family so with bob baffert running Orchestrating his campaign. He just looks like he could be any kind. I think wants too short to take on any horse in november but I could definitely understand why people gravitated that Life is good. Like i guess i mean it. You know. Certainly certainly on a horse. It's going to have to have a similar trajectory to offend -tic to be successful next next spring at least authentic you. You got fifty to one last year and authentic though right exactly but i will say this. You know to mean the doll. You look at him. He came along last year. And i got her but His first two races to me didn't look like there was any chance in the world he was gonna rate and by the time he got to that arkansas derby you know he was sitting just off the speed and third so you're right about authentic. His only two career losses came when he did make the lead in the senate a derby and the preakness i would define him as a need to lead type for sure but I wouldn't i wouldn't dismiss. Life is good for a in terms of perhaps being a little bit. Tractive tractable going forward. Let's I was gonna say i was going to move on but i i will ask. I'll ask the same question. I asked That i asked steve asking yesterday The non stakes Anybody anybody from the non stakes that the deserves some attention. Some follow up. You know i Not right off. Hand i i mean i think a look at them a little bit You know i was i. I came away That with that Manda lunar obvious fantastic. I really you know you look at his pedigree to because i remember when he broke his main akilah. No i think it was in the last race on saturday carter and or friday saturday and he has all this turf reading and female family. You know being by into mischief. But he's out of an empire maker mayor and he just looks like the part of the to turn type. I thought he improved. That debut looked really sharp winning that seven furlongs allowance so he's a tight brock at the central quality and caddo river but a mandolin really gives them another Counted prospect heading into two thousand twenty one. Safe speaking of Brad cox you make me Remind me to mention. 'cause i didn't do it earlier in the show It was set piece last night in that allowance which you know five the to actually seemed like fair enough price. I guess Seven seven twenty two win Got a nice effort from busy channel. Who i'm a fan of. And yes he did and was close to eight to one and Column road ended up Third in here. Ap was a good fourth. Close out the super. Mr misunderstood didn't run badly. He was second choice. Seventy-two ended up beaten about three lengths. I obviously they're going to have to make some decisions about you. Know where he where he stands you know. it seems like The clock might be striking midnight for mr misunderstood. A little bit but This was the right level. You know it is. A forty purse was thirty nine thousand allowance optional claiming type group set piece the jug mont home-bred and really cards there. The opening weekend for park. The last two nights talamo won a couple of races yesterday. A really good jockey colony there for december. So yeah there's I took a look at both car. I looked at tonight a little bit. And i looked at tomorrow's card. I can give you a couple of horses. Their tariff way as far as just like shifted course. Yeah that's one thing. I'm like last night. I've just watched a bunch of racists from tearful sorta trying to get a feel for sort of similar to the fairgrounds. I watched it a few races there yesterday. But i'm just trying to scout it out and You know at least with churchill. Horses are even keeneland. I've got a field sources but you get these sources coming in from all over the place. I mean one thing about turf way. I mean they're they're carting like eight races today and You know it's their huge fields. And they're pretty competitive with fairground one element about fairgrounds. Is those leave anna bread races. Those of really just hard to decipher. Don't have any feel for those. So when i'm looking at their cards a lot of times steve. I'm i'm focused in on races. Aren't louisiana bread. Well and we're we've been we've been interested to. We had Chip bok on On tuesday to introduce the turf way season. Ed was with us on wednesday and we looked at a couple of spots and I watched yesterday the indiana. I can tell you. One thing that having having been tied on for indiana this season It's a real benefit because indiana horses. are gonna be it. Looks like quite a few are going to be turf way. Dotting the landscape. Yeah i've got an indiana grant horse. I like double digit in the morning. Line four sixteen races so far terp way if they've won by indiana grant shippers. Sean parker there's or who's riding welder. Leading jockeys so. Yeah there's no doubt about it So sources so well so far bearing well let me also mentioned from yesterday. before Before we get some place from from james that race that It's kind of fun. Yesterday rich ignite the end of the show. We latched onto that eighth race We both looked at it and That on the couch who we liked five to one and the combination of rich an eye he liked the infused From the rail who actually took a bunch of money ended up going off at under two to one and they run one two and did okay here on the couch. Paid eleven eighty. This was the the george duarte with johnny For a rich into colts neck so Got a little little pop yesterday at At acworth just kind of you know some spot plays james. What are we looking at For the weekend all right. Well i'll i'll give some thoughts real quick on The claiming credit card. If it's alright. I heard a few spots picked out race number six. I'll start with the jewel amount of of Raised for three and up Fifty grand you know. Their place has the team. It can be a big. He's the big favourite on the morning. Line going to take a lot of accent. He's been confirmed closer. Not a lot of faith in here. I gave treasure trove a little bit of luck. He's got the tactical foot. Mike maker and tower gap leone. I'm looking for some horses of put to play on their part especially horses that perhaps didn't compete at churchill. There's a couple that. I like Tomorrow that didn't. But i landed on deck daniel. Dan daniels steve. I thought that effort to starts back was really an improvement from them. When he'd be. Crypto cast crypto. Cast with running in arkansas derby this spring cleaned out of that race januzzi by neck got a crew speed writing. That day came back in that. Great to raith on breeders cup friday undercard. He was out on the front end with signalman and plus ca parfait ding-dong in out there. The three of them in the opening stages those horses weakened and finished up the track. That kendall searched search a clearly in mitch upper midstretch and got run down by two closers. That rocketry went last the first the runner up but he still was three lengths clear a third. I don't feel a lot of pace in here I think you know sisters has come back and worked in twice. He worked in fought for a long preparation for this. I just think he's in career best form. He's going to run a big race In the stool stakes right and then And then the other two. I'm just got. They're not going to be really big crisis. But i'm just going to lean upon them a little bit as well for my multi-race perspective. It rights seven in that emerald at amount of sixteenths on turf. I do like temple Maker leone Horse loves gulfstream Really you know. I thought he was like after. He left gulfstream. In the summer i thought maker sorta carefully handled him a little bit in those last two races. But those last two races provide fitness. He's coming back here. I think he's going to run a big race and the other one. I like a little bit was in race number ten the canterbury stakes popper alongside on this number one by might be the goods but He's drawn inside. There's some other. There's some other speed in their number. Five tiger blood has caught soft turf in his last three starts. You know he's a pretend over. The course might not be six to one. But i just see him getting a catbird type trip and You know just the turf is just gonna benefit him a bunch. I think the being firm ground there firm to good ground he can even run well on good grounds so i look tiger blood temporary shrimp. There's a big speaking tiger blood Saw i saw quite a quite a story from florida with The carole baskin tigers almost killed a a woman A volunteer you see this. Yesterday i saw on the news this morning. As a matter back yeah all day handler g yes had one of the great Early days of the pandemic was of course the. Oh yeah the whole tiger king. Nonsense that The gripped america Oh we watch. We watched we watched the whole thing. We we loved it. I that's pretty funny We joined documented. The way i. I watch something like that makes you wonder i mean i know what stage but it seems like it stage because everybody is so ridiculous but i don't know what maybe i i saw tiger blood and maybe the connection of tiger and and what was obviously a disaster yesterday but i was that was very. That was more sorry What else play park on saturday. Steve rates number four. One thing i'm looking for at purposely horses form over the track or at least all weather tracks Sure i look at number two and race number four momentum. Attach a fifteen one on the morning on a at blinkers. I like her last two starts over the track or Her her last time she ran her way she ran a half length third back in march And our last three races You know her firms pretty solid you know grant a well beaten third and then her last two racist. She's run third second. I just think you know she think guarantors returned to this place. And and those two efforts stampers enduring a really wide open race And then my other one is in the feature race number seven Number seven hurricane highway in there's ten to one on the morning on the four year old quality guilty a quality road gelding m race. Last year he went to seven starts. Last year he He's three for six on on all weather His last start on an all weather track is first race back in july Ravelli random for tag was immediately claimed out of that race by. Cipriano contrasts us. There was a two and a half win win at to park is the last three races. He didn't run and go to kentucky down. It gets much better. But last two races at indiana grand a really solid. He's coming back into good form He broke his maiden by non lengths on our weather. I said he loves all weather track. Hurricane highway these at indiana Shipper for cinch I it brianna. Okay try that the good form and ten to one on the morning on. I'd love to get a price in that range. Nice did you look while. We're on the topic of bobby chance to discuss it. Did you look at the stake tonight. I know i didn't really look too closely at ten. But now i didn't really look at it. I just i. I dunno parties. Faris princesses the you know seven to five I'm just wondering if you know. Then there's the yeah. Those are pretty good efforts up there. So i gave it a quick glance but i just don't really know You know if. I if i if i could beat that philly so interesting though. Wesley ward has to in there and thanks to wonder a little bit. That cambria actually going to run. You know but If she does that you know those last couple that that last effort you know in a sense was her first race of the year. I mean she could improve upon it significantly so you know. He looks to have a pretty strong hand in there. So they'll try. They'll try to look at it before we get off the air. James scully every buddy james underscore scully one one and the team of course at twin spires and Twin spires blog roll and everything all the bridge net teams There's been a nice steady supply of Info diouf's nfl. Play for sunday teams. Grabbing point at home they have everything to play for arizona cardinals over los angeles rams to the playoff game for the cardinals or done. If they lose and jared goff has ten turnovers last four gang and he has become a turnover machine arizona. The rams on sunday steve. Here we go there scully lane and out and good luck this weekend. Talk next week. James scully and standing by his hammer and and you know even though hammers not watching the day. What if if the steelers keep up with this hammers going to just not watch them at all. The they continue to win. And they're doing it somehow without you. Good morning komo morning. Kissed cut the tail end of that. But i assume you're talking about the steelers. Yeah i get a lot of. I get a lot of emails from friends and all that and Somebody asked me the other day. What i thought about tomlin because i'm not a big time when fan. I said i can't comment. You know. I haven't watched a game all year so Pretty wild i was just talking to buddy mine the other day about it and it was sunday. And you know for sunday's for the last you know since they've been five. Years old was appalled In the in the fall and Haven't missed it one bit. It's pretty wild. I mean just cold turkey and So we'll see what happens. But yeah just i've been watching these sports that We wish We were spending in the venema crew. All the luck in the world and we'll see You know they get. They get any further further along into the playoffs. Maybe turn on but Anyway been walking horse racing though a lot of that. So that's been cool that you had tony on this morning tony alvarado to to Talk about The show and and you know people in the industry. I don't know tony that well we've met a few times. Of course i you doing at a had. A beer to along the lines but You know explicit. Listen perfect With with the gap there and you know he and the hand the crew there did it perfectly are with the fox show You know a daily type of thing. I think i say being on. Tv with a lot of the personalities that they had and they just had a great mix all likable. Its people and i think a lot of the fans got to see them as opposed to just hear them maybe and We were always a good show. Every you know. I have roberts things so i don't watch it as much but you know what i did. Flip over to because they just like the people are like the pieces. And how calm. They were flipping back and forth. Not arguing with each other trying out selector out outdo each other in any way and really trying to teach audience A little bit more about the game. So real glad yet tony on so he could get some take a bow and thank all his people but You know it's. It's kind of all the time i was here. You know at santa anita. I wondered why we just didn't have anything like that. Out here. and televisa land and we have all the opportunity all the gadgets and you know for years and years and years. I'm talking to fifteen years ago. Why don't we have some super show out here. Some really cool little something going on. But it's never materialized and I'm glad they did that. I think i think the whole country enjoyed it. I like something here. A bad word about that show as as it was you know and Anyway i'm glad you had him on a few to too few. And far between and i i- sarah toga. I think we had. I guess it was two summers ago. We started the season and had tony. Either i think opening day or opening weekend and and then haven't had a chance since so. This was perfect with tomorrow's cigar mile card. And i do want to mention. I'll probably mention it again with nick. Tammaro next You have five o'clock this afternoon. Five pm cutoff to sign up Naira beth's players five hundred dollar cigar mile challenge. There's two nhc seats available and of course also today Yesterday was the start of this Nhc winter challenge kind of an intercession december january. Because i i mentioned this on wednesday. The cutoff continues to be the end of january. Just because we're not playing. Nhc until august doesn't mean we're going to keep qualifying for this year's nhc It's going to end like it always does in january so Got a nice sort of many Tournament winter challenge right here now until late january and it started yesterday and the two seats tomorrow in the naira. Bets exclusive five hundred dollars. Five o'clock today folks so thanks. I wanted to get that. You mentioned that cause i'm some of the on the Horse journeys has some tournaments. Still i see some feeders going into that. Oh yeah so. There are opportunities to To go and. I'm glad you mess when dad line was january thirty first deadline four the august contests correct twenty. I think it's the twenty whatever that Let me see. I think it's the hair got it right here somewhere. I think it's the twenty the previous Sunday the twenty third january twenty third will be the cutoff january twenty third twenty twenty one and then of course we're going to be at bally's August twenty seven th twenty ninth and this winter challenge Top five finishers. There's going to be a ten thousand dollar assortment of prizes. Four thousand twenty five hundred to one five hundred A separate seventy five person leaderboard just for this winter challenge and these will be for people that have not already qualified for nhc so this is going to be a terrific run over these next seven weeks opportunity to get to vegas for the twenty one season And then essentially we will start the twenty two qualifiers the week of january twenty fifth right after this ends. Let us go because Gotta keep those contests going really enjoying them. let's see we got well. We had what delmar ended last weekend and Probably talked about it on friday. And i think probably the best four consecutive days of racing in southern california and in a long time Finished up to meet their including the including the seven graded stakes and We were. we're right about one thing. Steve that the all the stakes are going to be won by out of towners and Not necessarily couple of trainers but all the horses that one day made their last. Start out of california and chad brown When the bulk of but ball real good races and You know maybe maybe this will start something maybe Maybe california maybe. The racing here finally hit bottom and things are turning around and another thing we mentioned was Low sow ow and wreck before we were on friday and i think earlier in the early in the week. I'd gotten a call from steve miata. He was Look i'd california trader here. He's a friend so we were telling stories and he said boy they're going gonna have a good meet their los alan. I'm thinking what are you talking about. And he mentioned the closure of golden gate. He goes you kidding me. Those guys got nowhere to run. They're going to be coming down and mentioned that last week and boy Has it shells. And let's let's remember that lasalle. They didn't get shot in september which they normally do After the after the summer gilmore meet daisy. Run for a couple of weeks there and then you know their dates and i'm not even running so they lost the chance there so they're coming back here with a three week run and the fact that golden gate is not running and now we just heard yesterday right they will not Open up began or attempt to open up began on december twenty six which is opening day. Obviously if santa anita to have the the dual opening hopefully but we're in We're in another Locked here so to speak We've gone back to You know stay at home orders except for the politicians. Of course they can go out and eat. Chauvinistic catch them the day after the announcement but no seriously. We're here where we've stopped. All restaurants stuff only takeout. And and you know you can't. You can't play golf. it's funny we. We had a golf date this past week. And the only way allowing you to golf at your golfing with the force has to all be in the same household which is Any of that happening so Can't even get outside the to play golf so You know what that's what it takes fine and you know it. Will everyone here. Always everyone here has been everywhere. I go people doing the right thing. So if that's what it say. If that's seriously i i haven't been anywhere or people with pass on or you know our unit but i'm not wearing a mask or even hiking trails. You know. I think a mask and by see people wearing them up put it on. I don't care. So i think people are doing the right thing and if it you know. I think we agree. That it's just is this is what it takes and you know we're going to do it so hopefully things will get back in order to hopefully they county is where los alameda does is. So it's not the same as la county so they have a little bit. Not as quite as stringent there but. I'm hoping that they can get this meeting. And and and we get back but Look at the i. I just looked in the first two overnight then. I glanced at the third. Their lowest alaminos i mean it it's stocked With horses and the horses fit the conditions of the los alamos conditioner book and The horse allowed to ship by the people are allowed to ship with them. But they're sending them down here and you know i looked up but I looked up the first couple of days and on the first of the eighty horses. That i see that are in forty. Three of them have are not stable at santa anita meaning stable. You know los alamos gold gate field and on the next day Forty six of the eighty five over fifty percent of the horses entered are not santa anita Family ray quote horses receive their statement low south or the golden gate fields so the fields are big. And i think i read somewhere. There's thirty four different jocks on opening day. Name to ride a horse. I didn't Didn't have that out. But that's that's pretty crazy so M your in your in your look of places to play this weekend. Checkout meet ups The first three days are pretty good. They're they're big fields which are really not accustomed to race after race. Here so The good for bob marina. I'm sure he'll be in his crew. Glad to have that but A welcome change here The old supply demand works again. I was excited Enjoyed enjoy connecting And i'll reiterate and you. You have said it to anybody time anytime. This topic comes up Doc allred has answered every call and every need seems to get the kind of short shrift and and You know treated shabbily. But every time there's been a problem doc right has stepped up and supporting los. Al is a way to show appreciation that a doll for the for dr the owner and Own alameda and You couldn't say it better time. That he runs the corner of our show. There's been there for for years and an avid avid horsemen has quarter horses and win a thoroughbred community needed help for no matter what he has stepped up and he hasn't really been shown the love that he should have been from the from. Lose some of the people here but This is a good way to say. Thank you on a bed on the card but like i said. Hopefully this is the turnaround know changes at santa anita over the last week or so Hopefully that helps and things turn around and and and can get back on the on the on the right wing after after a couple years of You know hanging around the bottom but anyway one of the races here over the weekend Of we're talked about the scheduling. The starlet comes up here and then the thirty is down the road a little bit a little quick back from from not necessarily from the greater scott but from the prep race. They had earlier at At del mar but the winner that a student comes back for for richard mandella and and Was one of those one of those Races and still that that you saw and it was visually impressive. They're going against another one of the visually impressive. Phillies the running princess noor who Up against him in the breeders cup and and the figure said no and the figures are right. that You know she didn't. She didn't get disgrace. he just didn't win and she comes back here Trying to avenge her first. Defeat when the scott but Bob baffert won the race the last three years. Not quite as dominating as futurity. He's one of the last three years and interestingly enough great vandyke is run on all three of those bats chasing yesterday and dream tree In van dyke on barreda as you see baffert has three in here and Prince nor being the one and on paper. It looks like a battle between those two. For instance stan and astute and I just look back Interestingly enough disgraces been right here at day los alameda since two thousand fourteen in the first winter there with shakhtar take charge brandy. And you remember her. That was luke. Lucas and with fresh off a sixty one breeders cup upset with her and i think actually solidified her camping ship when she ended up winning this race The the star witness in two thousand fourteen the first running though also she also though. You're you're forgetting one outside out want to jack. Yeah she went one the princess when it dealt in the middle and then this one. I think they're looking for another graded In this gives a grade one and you know. I think it's not afraid to run. That's for sure. And win here. And i do think those last two races after the breeders cup solidified or her. She did wendy. Clemson she yeah. She wasn't eclipse that you're but solidify that so You know a little bit of history here. Like i said bob does well in in these races. Then you know one one thing. I wanted to throw in little sidebars as you look you look at this race. We have. there's five horses which you know is unfortunately the more common than not out here. Some of these two year old races. Three bob baffert You gotta michael mccarthy and richmond and which is one of the problems just in general with with the two year olds out here when you don't have a whole lot of Break your maiden as a to on if if if You know a lot. A lot of a lot of nice courses breakthrough maidens out here and in in a different place. A lot of these nice sources would move on and maybe running a steak the next time and see what happens but just if you're lucky enough to break your maiden you're not a cop top horse you don't have a we don't there's not have allowance opportunities here so if you're if you're not a top horse and you break your maiden out here. There's not a lot of other guys like you. So so you have to run or you're forced to run into a steak and your next start. And i guess that's good for some of the good ones that are gonna do that anyway but if you just have nice force it's tough to to develop a two year old and and You know it's going through the allowance racket going there and try to win a nice allowance race and then you know maybe running a small stake and move on that way so It it's it's the program hurts because it's a it's a long term. It's not just that when people stop standing those two year olds out here to run in this. You lose them. The first year to year olds. Dan those horses. They're not they're when they're never going to be three and they're not they're when they're going to be four and that's where that's where a cycle is going on out here in california where a few years ago people stop sending as many two year olds as they did so you you notice. It's first year but then that second and third year you miss those horses. Because they don't see you don't see them as they would run on. Your circuit is three and four so I don't know what can be done but like i said the good ones the good ones are. It's great but if you have you know nice horse it is. It's not a places to run. I mean you look at the At the day they had a churchill. That was ten days or two weeks ago the with the two year old races. I mean you know you see that from out here and you go. There's no way in a million years. You could run a race car like that here. They just not here and so You know opportunity. We talking about opportunity to run sometimes means more than purse money But you know when you could see in these these smaller fields. I just i just think back in that cycle and i don't know what can be done. You know we've tried things like limiting you know limiting main races to stale prices. And we've tried that here and it's been done other places it just doesn't seem to work but they like horse shortage It shows here in two year old Division pays a great. Yeah i it's they're not alone of course in this. I mean we've got. We've we've got well actually the ended up with a nice field We got five in the boys race. you got the juvenile got those juvenile stakes at at at at tampa and at the maryland-breds as well it's a weird this year in particular hammer. It's a strange Scenario because so many you know so many two year olds were kind of gummed up and you know the. The sale know the delay of of a number of the two year old in training sale season. You know you didn't have horses in circulation like you would have so Some of that is a weird You know there's just the seasonal difficulties this year contribute. I agree with it. Seems to have been a fema trad and speaking of two year old. I wanted to just throw the kid. The two year old soon crave location now. No longer calling her. Of course you know ran his last race. Would that used to be the place at the two year olds rather us to come out and they would make star two hundred some unknown trainer and then get transferred up north and you know be become stars and Ill the caller. I didn't even know. A caller was except crc on the program that would back east and then Was asked to come down to work at gulfstream in the nineties and cause my man Bobby humphrey was down there. And he worked at get golf game. And i went to work there but he always gets a little early and have to go over to call the move paper or do some work and what a cool little track that was yup and and people that work there they. The office was just great. They all work together and it was most of the same crew that that made the trip over the gulf genetic got to work with Very very Very cool. I mean i. You know i've been very good friends with bobby. I'm free obviously and i. I mean i still this day. Three three three three two seven Was the caller number. And i called it every day. You know how to talk to him. I mean it's one of the few numbers that i you know. I think a call eight hundred three three three three two seven bingo racing obviously and You know So a lot of times down there you know going to see him and of course i think the last race i did see down. There was the january first. Two thousand six tropical park derby that Barbara one and yeah. They were down there. That's bobby funerals right near there. And we were down there in the last race Saw down there called her but Some always always whenever called it comes up. I get a spa day. And just from going down there data funny. I met you. Gang mentioned a j. privilege mentioned some of the horses coming out of there and you mentioned Flying lock and all the all the times. I remember being del mar. I think it was eight. Thousand eight nine seventy nine. Something like that Holland or for came in and asks for a race. And you gotta understand. Here's a guy that's one eight thousand races and he may be may have asked me for three races in that whole time. He just whatever's in the book he runs and he goes. I just bought. This horse. Thinks he's gonna be alright and you get to put up a make starter allowance rates for this horse and i'm thinking right gas or whatever and i just remember that being i cook. He doesn't remember looking at stuff. She broke her main. I think for forty ran. One time i broke her main for forty. So did that now enters it too and at that time i think it was forty hours a two. You broke your maiden for forty or less and not gain win two races So we put the race up and you know lo and behold of course you off. I think the favorite one and then went on to go on that i. It was just kind of like He bought just nice million waiting for like. Hey can you right at two hundred and allowance race and the upper starter allowing with just always remember that. And i'm just shaking my head. He knew what he had way back then when he finally i got her so but just one of many that that that came out of that That called her program for sure. That's pretty funny. Just look at up to just pull. I just pulled the race up When when jay. Jay mentioned that The other day i had forgotten that Completely that she started her career called her she. She won that race. July twenty nine two thousand and nine with rosario and she went off three to five so she was not a secret at that point and pretty funny among others in there. She beat the sam special such fortune. lovers house. Ride me to the moon. Little dodger and gail schoonover. That was the field the that she best she paid yes she paid three twenty starter race in the starter race. Yeah and but then she got beat in the debutante internet start. She ran second in the debutante to me. Sueno which is what's his name Which is yes gale swain. Nice broodmare. you know by the way i since we since we're going to somehow juvenile fillies Came back up. I wanna go back to take charge brandy this is. This is a point of contention with me. I did not vote for her voted for lady. Eli who should have been the juvenile filly champion and That at the very least was born out later on i. I just That one that one. I never really a the take charge brandy Flurry of of wins. to me didn't didn't eclipse what What lady eli look like what. What did she done At that point to breeders cup she was three. Yes you and. I think i mean i think she only if i'm not mistaken. She was just three for three. She hadn't run as much. But i i i certainly i mean as you know. Obviously her career was was unique but she she had won the juvenile filly turf and she had one The the girls Turf race at philmont crap The miss grillo and and of course it had broken her made saratoga but That's why i voted for him that that That might have been one of the first years of the stove that Two year old turf race. I'm not sure. But i think i think the thinking at that point was if there's a there's a hours for the number of weapons and all that going dirt at that point and season today as far as that you know and that's probably where it came from but But that i think the deal. Obviously the sixty. Two one stood out at bob the breeders cup and then the fact that if he didn't she didn't race after that It'll probably but the fact that she went back and ran two more times before the end of the year to say. Hey you know what. I want to win this title. She won in. One of those rights is the stolid was a great one. I think pushed her over the edge for sure i would. I would just not. But that's what i'm that's what i'm thinking of is that and But i do. I just remember that thing. It's crazy we wanna we wanna. We're going to officially open up the calendar thing next week. But i want to go when i talk about that real quick. We're doing the oaklawn calendar giveaway again this year and We're going to go back to what we did. Seven years ago. I give it a given the The the the email where to send it in next week. But we're gonna ask for a picture of your sleeping pets to send in For the calendar this year and We'll announce that officially next week but started taking pictures if you don't have a pet and if you have a pet that doesn't sleep just go. you know. Take a picture of an animal any animal. We'll take To send in and we'll we'll we'll get back on. We started Okon was was was gracious enough to step up and fill the gap and we'll continue on Continue on with apple announced. Officially next week will open it up and So i don't get the oaklawn until january. And so. I will get the calendars until i get there. And they won't be out until mid january. So don't don't panic about that if you don't see a counter by the end of the year but but We'll we'll get that going i. Oh yeah so happy to do that and You know that's that's where we are out here anything else standing now. Let me let me jump. I saw quite a bit too. I got the running out of time. I got hammer after you have got Got to get to nick. And welsh and the anderson downs great. I'm always a pleasure as we head into the holiday season everybody just do the right thing safe and keep the game going hammer. I appreciate it. I did get a very good question from our friend. John friedkin john Asking Next week when we get a chance. I and gives you time to make. The specifics wants to know As a owner from a different region about getting licensed and the mechanics of running in arkansas so That's an assignment for next week. All right well okay. Got it done. We'll do right all go. Let's take a break our last of the morning and when we come back the last forty minutes give or take. We got some quick opinions from nick tammaro. And then we'll get mike welsh in here and steve anderson. We can preview. What the raises back after this. Look at the races. With steve on sirius. Xm radio there's a great story talent. 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TimeformUS Forecast | Episode 47 | September 18, 2020

Daily Racing Form

26:23 min | 9 months ago

TimeformUS Forecast | Episode 47 | September 18, 2020

"Hi Everyone. Welcome to the September eighteenth edition of the time formulas forecast I'm David Arrogant I'll be joined very shortly by my co host credible cousy this week the focus is turf racing as we handicap five different graded stakes races from around the country really just to venues will be first visiting Belmont Park where they're getting back underway in New York after a brief hiatus following the Saratoga meet opening day is today Friday and they'll be running their first major stakes race on. Saturday. That is the grade one Belmont oaks invitational for the three year old fillies. Going a mile and a quarter we'll discuss that. Then we'll head up to woodbine where they're running a bunch of great stakes on the turf. This weekend we'll do to from Saturday to from Sunday. One of those is the great one Riga Woodbine Mile Big prepped for the Breeders Cup Mile later in the year, and then on Sunday the running a couple of two year, old turf stakes, races both grade one Canadian events, the summer in Tomah and some horse coming in from the United States for those. So we'll discuss all of those races later in the show. But. Let's kick things off at Belmont as I said with that Belmont Oaks and Craig. It feels like maybe we just have maybe. One many major raises for the three year old filly turf forces because this race came pretty light. Yeah, it's pretty disappointing field to be honest that I'll be upfront the chances I would bet this racer are pretty slim and none looking at it I think the three-year-old Filly Group in general hasn't been particularly strong and you see it in this field. So having said that I think the the ship or magic added attitude is going to be very tough against this group by it's just. Not a Hawaiian. In here she comes in with some pretty good form overseas. She was second albeit a distant second in group one. In France she was only beaten three lengths next time out in the grade one when when faith in a big field of eleven. So you know she just seems to have a class H. He is getting a first time lasix for our no delacour. In I just think she's the one that beat but I doubt he's going to offer any value. Five we're GONNA look for any alternatives I. Guess You could give nation launched another chance. I couldn't blame anybody for that. We talked about last time in that delmore oaks and thought maybe if anything it will be too short for so you know you could make the case she's getting an extra furlong but personally, I wasn't all that blown away by her she actually got passed late per third in that race finished for. So if you wanna give her excuse since she's a price I, I, guess I could see it but Jeez not for me and I guess the other all only alternative is. One. You have to talk about it. Particularly New York may be Antoinette ca just the race again of affiliate who shown she can go to the lead I in if nobody takes it to her as she certainly has the ability to finish it off and win in here but with setting the mood on the inside movie. Sayas riding now when it's hard to imagine him, not being aggressive in trying to reinforce the pace some. So for me, I'll be watching a fan and you know you never know which are GonNa get maybe you get a crazy person here but I don't see it right now. I just don't have a whole lot to add about this race like you I'm not the biggest fan of Antoinette, who would appear to be the main rival to that European import. She won that Saratoga, oaks? which was arguably just as weak raises this one initiate everything her own way that day. I guess you can control things again but I I don't know I'll be a little surprised if she pulls off another one of these big wins and magic attitude I mean she's the kind of European horse that would be interesting in a race like this even if it had come up with a salty field and it just hasn't And her former overseas is really legitimate. That priests sent ellery that she was second in to back the winner of that race talk. He'll is an undefeated horse who seems really talented and then that predate Deanne last time. The winner of that race fancy blue came back and won a group one race in Ireland next time I, think the Nassau so. That just seems like a really strong set of thrilled Vilis in France that she was running against. She actually ran well, and all of those races she's got a pretty I love running style where she could be closer coming from further behind a she arguably could have even finished closer in that group one last time if she hadn't broken slowly so. She just looks good for these I mean if I was going to play this race which I'm not sure that I am maybe the only strategy I could come up with is to try to get key Biscayne and for second because she seems like the Horse that's GonNa get ignored as the biggest price and I thought she had some trouble in the lake placid two bags was kind of fouled in the stretch, and then she got too close into last time in the Saratoga oaks she's better than she seems and she'll be a price in this race. So maybe I'll try to get her and the exact them. Let's move onto woodbine aware. We've got some more interesting turf racing to discuss. It will begin on their Saturday card or and they've got a couple of graded stakes events. The. First of those is ray seven, the grade three singspiel going a mile and a quarter on their outer turf course and we've got an interesting group here. I. Will Note that I saw reported this morning that Admiralty Pier, who is at cross entered in both this raise and the woodby mile is going to run to the Woodbine Mile. So that takes a little bit of pace out of this race. The number nine Nakimora is the morning line favorite for Graham. Ocean he looks pretty good. He ran well behind Zulu Alpha to back and it was a little disappointing in an optional claiming race last time out at Saratoga. He certainly has the form to win a race like this I do wonder if a mile and a quarter though is a little bit short for him. Yeah I would agree with that I don't think he's strong strongest favorites. You mentioned admiralty. Pier coming out of the race I'll say now that there's no flag on the pace projector but I'm pretty sure looking at it. That's GonNa Change does come out to a favors horses owner near the lead in because of that I I'm actually going to go with a totally different worse that we've talked about. Several. Times on various podcasts and that's kids a slam He's a horse when he is able to get an easy either in be clear he is just proven very tough to beaten without admiralty pier here I can easily. I. I don't know if we'll get the six to one morning. I he's a pretty popular horse especially up north, but I just think things are really set up for him while Alwa in. He's GonNa. Get a great trip in here the other one that interests me in here a little bit of standard deviation. I know you talked about him last week on Metro you feel about him here. So you take over at this point then I'll say another thing or two before we wrap this race up. Yeah I kind of agree with you about his slam. I, think in some ways, he's the Horse to beaten here because he's got prior form in these graded stakes at Woodbine that would make them competitive and his recent form looks like it's tailed off a little bit but he blew the break last time and that Seagram Cup. So you can excuse that performance and to back he was just an against the tougher field that. Louisville, a churchill downs awful layoff even as Red Smith wasn't that bad because he got caught up making an early move into a very fast pace that fell apart I just think he's logical here. Especially, admiralty pier is coming out of this race. I would pick standard deviation in this spot as well though I liked him in a much tougher Kentucky Turf Club last week. So of course, I think he's going to be dangerous. Lesser Race up in Canada. We'll see if the MYLANTA quarter works for him I. Don't see why would and he's run just as well going short or as he has longer. The case that I made for him last week, it's the same case. I'll make this week. He ran really well in that race over and cut earlier in the year. I don't know how strong that field was the other horse that came out of that Race Pedro Kara did no running in the sword dancer at Saratoga during the summer but that was over a boggy course I'm not going to be too much stock in debt. Standard deviation didn't think he got the right trip to back in the tiller when he was just kind of held up early and asked to sprint home late that's not really what he wants to do, and in last time in the United Nations. If you watch the head on replay of that race, you'll see that he got some real trouble at the quarter pole got cut off lost all momentum and traffic he was never GonNa win that. Race. But he would have finished closer if not forgetting his well, them stopped to the top of the stretch i. just think this is a horse that they've handled like he has ability. They've tried some tough spots with him. He hasn't delivered yet but I think he's got a good performance still in it. So if he's a price in this race, I've got to take a shot with him here. I would mostly focus on him and Tisza Slam. Yet. So we basically agree I mean if I was gonNA play horizontal in here, which were not talking about some of the other races in here maybe I would use a worse like Nakimora but I just think that we talked about not only have you know are they just as good or better on speed figures? They have a class edges well so I'm not sure we're going to get the odds are quoted add on the morning line but I do think we'll find. Some value with with both of those two, I will just say the one horse was listed as short price that I just don't really get is the number five sky wire. This is a horse who's done is best running on symph it's not always a given. The data form is going to transfer to turf his her form just isn't quite good enough to make him a contender here and I'm a little dubious that he can be competitive with this field on the turf. Let's move on to the feature race on Saturday really the future of the weekend at Woodbine, it is that Rico woodbine mile grade one event going the one turn mile. We're likely to see some come out this race and be major players in the Breeders Cup Mile. Mark Cassie who has a pretty strong hand in this race sending out the likely favourite number eight war of will as well as march to the arch who also look like a contender. War of will I think is that you have to have an opinion about in this race because he certainly disappointed more than he's delivered in his career. He is the twenty nineteen preakness winner and he got his first victory since then last time out switching to the turf in the maker's mark. Mile. I do have some questions in retrospect about how strong that race was. Though because we've seen a number of horses come back out of that maker's mark and most of not run that. Well. Yeah I would agree and I have the opinion that I'm betting war will in this spot he to the one is you mentioned on the morning line? He'll probably go off a little shorter that in frankly even though that maker's mark was great one in name at the speed figure didn't show. It's a want it came back only a one nineteen for him I think that's I'm looking at the weight adjusted figure so. It was probably just a little bit higher, but you know in the role numbers but then he keeps it it was just a really weak greed one. So I'm just not a fan of his in here I think he's GonNa get over bet so I'm GonNa look elsewhere in the logical worse for me that I see is his stablemate march to the art shot. He actually I thought ran very well as time ran out. Of Real big speed figure in the race I think, I, have it one twenty seven with that wheat setting on and it really wasn't an easy pace set up for him. Either was really slow early. It was pretty solid afterwards but he was able to get up and win ease horseshoes won both his races at Woodbine over the same course around the one turn mile and it just seems like a great setup for him. He should be able to save plenty ground than I. Think he's the worst. I. Like like by far the most in here I I, do WanNa mention I have a similar opinion of starship do believe as I do of war of will she's obviously an impressive seven year old male, our feet mayor as very good resume resume but I just think this is too deep for her. She's never run fast enough to beat horses like. What march to the are Taran last time or even Admiralty pier who I think is going to be a factor up on the lead but he really had no excuses not to hold off march to the arch in. He's just one. I've really like in here and I'll late marched arts marched arts to win an executive with Admiralty. Pier I guess the one wildcard would have to. Be Three year old Cheryl Speight If I were playing horizontal, I would definitely use them He doesn't have the speed figures yet to win, but it's only his third lifetime started and he certainly capable as soon. Plenty of ability in his prior to starts he showed he can read a little last time. He does give a weight brakes on that going to totally dismiss him either. We're on the same page about your top pick marched to the arch I thought he ran a fantastic race last time we talked about that race on the pace cast. It earned a very high speed figure. He did not get a set up in there. I know the fractions only one of them's color-coded blue but that was rate for the pace really held together and he just ran past everybody who the only horse running on from the back of the pack. It seems like he really appreciates that long stretch run at woodbine often on those. Tighter turn tour of courses in the United States those seven furlong turf courses he sometimes gets a little bit. Outrun has too much ground to make up when he gets a really long run into the wiry seems to relish that and I just think this is the right spot for a horse who's picked up minor awards and some big races before I, think this is the time that he gets his grade one victory. We agree about war of will I, covered him already I wonder if Cheryl spite is going to be as high as eight to one in this race seems like there's a horse that there's just a lot of buzz about I know that there was even talk about him being one of the contenders and the Kentucky Derby before had a setback and they decided not to go in that race I'm a little. Bit Super Skeptical of him stepping all the way up in class even though he does apparently have talent and also there's pays in race because you've got admiralty period as best rolling on the front end war of will certainly not slow. So I think they're going to be moving up front and that just helps out march to the arch and could make it a more difficult task for a horse like shirl spite. I'm not totally against starship jubilee I acknowledge he's GonNa have to run faster to win this race I. Think maybe a win as a little bit out of reach for her but I'm not going to be shocked if she runs well here she always shows up with a solid effort. I'm not sure that this race is really that much tougher than the Diana she was in last time and she wasn't exactly disgraced in there. You know she was fourth, but she was fourth behind three of the best. Phillies or bears on the country on the turf so I don't think she's impossible and here I prefer march to the arch but I use her somewhere. I do think it's interesting. We went through most of the field didn't mention the Chad Brown runner value proposition. That's kind of an odd thing. But personally, I don't really give that one much of shod he has really developed much as a four year old is run only a little bit faster than he did earlier in the career disappointing poker for me. So this just feels a lot more like Chad stake in shot in what looks like a weaker grade one on paper then he might see in New York. Yeah I've just never been this horse. If they fan he's got a tendency to lug in badly in the stretch of his races, he typically is green unfocused. I just he's not a horse that I like to trust. So I, wanted to go elsewhere. Let's move onto Sundays at woodbine where they're running a couple of grade one races for the two year olds. These are always major preps for the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf in juvenile turf. which will be running early November and both of these races have drawn pretty strong fields. We got a couple of shippers coming out for the United States in the summer for the colts and geldings. We have a couple of horses coming out of a pretty tough made race. It's Era Togo that was won by American monarchos in this race and secret potion was second for Chad Brown. They seem like two of the major contenders they're facing off against a couple of horses coming out of the soaring free, which was run over sprint distance. At woodbine, how did you compare the two races that these horses are coming out of? I. Well, I thought the The meeting race at Saratoga is interesting and I think that's the the biggest one that we're GONNA see I think we're GONNA see bigger efforts out of that one I really like secret potions race even though he didn't win that day, he wasn't able to catch American monarch but I think he was really bottled up for a large portion of that race he just didn't have anywhere to go. In I think he was just going to get a better trip in here. He's going to save ground maybe about maybe be able to work out a little bit of a trip in i. think he's the one to beat for me. I preferred American monarch out of that Saratoga race. I don't know secret potion. I. Didn't think he had a major excuse. He rode the rail the entire way the pace was pretty soft. I thought he really benefited from his inside post position than that spot and I thought he had a shot at it in the stretch. He was there and got the league and an American monarch ran past while making a three wide sweep to the front on the turn. So I thought American monarch ran the better race that day these Chad Brown horses can always improve in their second starts of a Bill Maud Forces Ken as well. Even though American. Monarch won first time out. So I prefer monarch and I'd make it my top pick in this race I thought that that maiden race was the stronger of the racist. Compared to that stakes at. Woodbine the soaring free. We already see it a couple of horses from net Saratoga Maiden race. Come back to do. Well, I think pivotal mission who was third who had some trouble in there? He came back with second in a stakes at Kentucky downs. Another horse who finished farther back came back to win so I think that racist certainly. been bolstered by the run bax and as far as the soaring free at Woodbine goes. It featuring extremely slow pace for six and a half furlongs, and that probably benefited Gretzky the great more than it did ready to repeat who for whatever reason they decided that was the data rate ready to repeat even though have shown so much speed in his prior starts and that just didn't quite work out for him. I think both of these have a right to stretch out i. just believe they have a little bit more to prove against support coming out of a route races. Togo. Now I have to admit I made a mistake here when I was talking about secret fashion I actually was watching the replays this morning in though he was the to today, he was not the to that day. So I had him confused with pivotal mission. So scratch everything I said about him going to change my opinion on there. It's a little embarrassing, but it happens I get the the number twos mixed up. So yeah American fire would be the one I like the other words I did want to talk about was. Ready to repeat just because I mean I'm not sure maybe he is better as a sprinter and you know I'm not sure maybe they were just trying to read them thinking he couldn't get the distance but I really like the see him given a shot to actually run early like he did in his couple wins before yet tried that state glass time on Surf and you know the pace was really slow that they he was still making up ground. So he's the one I'd like to give a shot out of the local horses. I've done it more than I care to admit watching the wrong horse in a replay. It certainly is easy to do. I agree with you. Ready to repeat his ninety two on the morning line and Gretzky the grades to one I mean I kind of prefer them in reverse order I think ready to repeat has more of a right to stretch out and I agree with you he's more dangerous from the front end in this race if they use the speed again but I do think American monarch might just be the right horse in the SPA. Let's move on to that other stakes race for the two roles at Woodbine the grade one Talmud for the phillies and like the summer. This is pretty salty field. We've got some horses who look good against stakes company at Woodbine horse some coming up from Saratoga. Of the horses that ran at Woodbine. ALDA and dreaming of drew both come out of the catch a glimpse kind of like in the. Situation with soaring free in the summer. Both of them have to stretch out from the six and a half furlongs to a mile. All I thought finished off that race well, certainly has a pedigree that suggests more disobeyed to her advantage. She could get some pace in this race I guess alda is the Horse to beat but it's a pretty competitive field and there are some horses coming out of maiden races that are pretty interesting. It is actually the Horse said I'M GONNA make my top pick is one coming out of race at Woodbine in. That's lady spates beer This is one I. Actually did watch the right horse on the replay unsure this win ha she actually broke pretty poorly that day in a race that was pretty quick early she made a really eye-catching move to to just move up and assert command in the racy she took over and After that, sometimes, you kind of expect those sources, the backup a little bit, and she didn't do it at all. She just kept running away from the field. Now obviously, we don't know exactly what he was in against the hardly anybody's run back but I think it was the fourth or fifth place Finisher was the lone run back and she came back to win with a much better figure second time out. So just visually that I'm going to go with lady, speed. Spear in here I have no real knocks on all that I mean she ran fine. She comes in with the best speed figure I believe it is last time or her in dreaming a juror right there together as they were only in those apart on the wire out of those two I would probably prefer all day. As you said, she looks like she probably wants to go a little bit further but ladies speech Speier's one for me is going to be my topic. Yeah I was pretty impressed by ladies bites watching that race. She was used hard early and she still was able to break finish and distance from distance herself away from that field at the end. And she's got a gigantic Tur- pedigree, her Damn Lady. Shakespeare. She was a multiple graded stakes with on the turf. She is a full sister. The day I'm to Shakespeare, who I believe was a winner of Woodbine Mile. And this that makes this a very close relative to shirl spite for these connections who's writing in the Woodbine Mile. Just a lot of signs pointing to this horse having real ability I. do wonder if she's going to get caught up in a faster pace this time because you've got a horse on the outside coming out of five and a half furlong turfs dirt's I'm sorry since sprint and you've got dreaming of drew who also has speed. Pace shakes out on the front end but I do think ladies bites beer has plenty of talent and I'd use her the horse that I would make. My Top pick is a horse also coming out of a maiden race but at Saratoga and that's the number two seasons. I'll be honest. I'll be very surprised if season's highest ten to one in this race I kind of thought she'd be among the favorites. And I would be willing to better at a price probably as low as seventy two or four to one because I think that's where she's supposed to be. There she only one her debut by a neck and it was not the most visually impressive performance. It was kind of a wild stretch run as a horse -ducted and broke through the rail about the eighth pole and season's briefly reacted to that and had to kind of refined her stride to win Matt Race. It was not the strongest field either. But that said, there was a big story on this horse I. I'm out for Jimmy. Toner horse at Saratoga to get bet down to four five in his debut. You know that this was trading well and just having washed. A lot of these workouts in doing my typical morning line work. This phillies drill on August third over the Oklahoma tour, of course, is one of the most impressive turf workouts. I've ever seen for a two year old on the turf at Saratoga and I just don't think we saw the best of her first time out and I believe she has more ability than that speed figure would indicate as she certainly bred to be good by tapping out of that multiple grade one winning Damn Winter Memories. So I think we're going to see a better every out of seasons this time. Yeah, I have no problem with her at all I was GonNa talk about her but you've pretty much covered everything I was going to say so the other horse I did watch some replacing look at sleek links a worse coming in and out of a Gulfstream Park meeting race where she couldn't quite get up. She was four to five that they would. I did notice she made an eye catching move to the lead, but she was pretty green in the stretch and I really wanted to make a case for. But at a price, she might be one I use underneath in the verticals I don't really see your winning she the more that she did get a pretty good setup that day the piece was hot with red fraction. So maybe that move was a little bit of Malaysian. But I do expect her to improve her. Speed figure second time out for Mark Ask he tends to do better second time out than I than she's one I think that will actually be the morning line pricing and could use those tries or supers yet. We saw that debut pretty much the same way I think that big move was a bit of an optical illusion because the race was falling apart at that point and she just did basically give it up in the late stages but the winner director's cut she might be okay because she came back with. Second. At a stakes at Gulfstream next time with a much higher speed figure. So maybe that race was just a decent race just by taking place at Gulfstream against what seemed to be a week field us. Oh, I wouldn't make her anywhere my top three picks I couldn't find a spot for her but like you said, she'll be the biggest price of the horses that we discussed. That's all the racing to handicap this week kind of a light week in terms of stakes racing around the country and we'll rather on. The costs because we went up north as well things should kick into high gear next week when we will finally have the return of Santa Anita I know planning a big card. Next Saturday we'll see if we can discuss some of that. Also there are some steaks plan for Belmont next week will be getting in a lot of these Breeders Cup preps. So Craig and exciting time in racing and I. Think we'll have a lot more interesting horses that are going to be in that conversation Computers Cup time next week. Yeah for sure I mean, we're only two weeks away from the weaknesses well, which kind of funny. But it could actually wind up being a Breeders Cup clap prep in its own right. At this point, we'll see how that field shakes out. But yeah, this is probably the slowest week we're going to have for quite some time. So looking forward to it is my favorite time of year. All right we'll get to all of that next week and we will be back on. Tuesday with the time formulas pace cast recap these racist that we discussed and perhaps some other. So look for that next week remember you can always listen to us on dear dot com, spotify itunes, YouTube AD soundcloud regular podcast just make sure to subscribe to the daily Racing Form Channel thanks for listening this week we'll be back with that time from us pace cast on Tuesday.

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PART 1: Sean Clancy, Sid Fernando

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:43:06 hr | 2 years ago

PART 1: Sean Clancy, Sid Fernando

"Sirius X._M.. Ports presents with Steve Big handicapping interviews this is we'll stupid very good. Wednesday race fans serious to nineteen exam to a one sport so nine sixty four to listening to Sirius X._M.. Online and our website as well and absolutely Glorious Day here upstate New York. I'm sure it's the same way out at del Mar.. I'm guessing you don't have to be you. Don't have to be an accomplished meteorologist for the most part out there once in a while. There's as an apparition. Hopefully we've had our our weather aberration and it's behind US although for those that are planning and I'm working on it myself couple of races did come off the turf today at Saratoga in the wake of a literal wake twenty four hours a rain Monday into Tuesday so they're gonNA take the third the New York bred two year old filly maiden race. That's GonNa come off and that's the mile and a sixteenth that had some interesting pedigrees on display and the sixth they both actually <hes> had some notable pedigrees that one was a five and a half version and so as is often the case they'll take either leave one each on both turf courses or take one each off the turf courses and in this case they're taking one each off and for those that are saying well. Why are they running the other rate as we explained the other day <hes> it it ended up of course that they ended up taking everything being off last Wednesday but you don't take races off the turf because you're worried about the horses getting hurt and you know those that's not that's not the problem when the turf is got some give to it the hooves make imprints and then they dry and then it's a it's a whole it's a basically a landmine waiting waiting for another horse to come a week later and step in it when it's all firm and you know break an ankle and you know after races you may see the group of of kids that are going around with with those divet fixers and the same thing you do want to on a green on the golf course when you take a a repair kit and prop up the the green where the ball has you know has made a significant indentation? It's the same exact thing and so that's think about that for those of you the play golf now you've now you have something to equate keeping a turf course safe and pristine. That's why racist come off not because it's dangerous dangerous I mean the horses the horses are when it soft. They're just going to slog around and go slower at some of them. Love it you know based on their confirmation and their action so to maiden affairs and there's quite a few things to watch for about ten thirty watching the servings feed Andy usually he'll go to the mutual department and he'll get the early scratches and changes so watch for Andy Who's usually about forty five minutes out in front of the Equa base and the naira website changes but there's some other important pieces in here including in the start of the pick for the New York stallion series. He's the CAB Calloway Heidi Hijo and I guarantee you Sam the Bugler and we haven't spoken about about Sam Sam pulling a Michael Corleones just when Sam thought he was retired they pull him back in Sammy is back entertaining so he'll play guaranteed. He'll play <hes> Minnie the moocher today for the cab Calloway Sam Sam told that was that was on T._v.. Right last year when he was retiring and the when we had the Barbecue Sam would come and have lunch usually usually the chicken sandwich have the chicken and we would go over the card and he and I would try to come up with some either obvious or sometimes less than obvious connection to the to the various stake races. These are very easy. Obviously when you're running. When you're running the cab calloway you don't have any problem coming up with with options and Minnie the Moocher just a natural so in that race Linda Rice is going to send blind Willie Mattel Jerry Zeros Very Nice New York bred to finger lakes and finger lakes? Today we should mention we'll talk in the second about last night's second leg of the Canadian triple crown there will not be a triple crown. Try but one of the not just one but two of the stake races that ended up being postponed on Saturday it came from Finger Lakes where the New York Derby and the New York Oaks we're part of that canceled card and they rescheduled for today and I you know chances are I'm just guessing unless you're you know a New York regular and you play finger lakes. You might not be aware that the oaks and the Derby or this afternoon and there the Derby in particular is really good. I mean they got a terrific field of eight including a couple of horses that you saw on the triple crown trail yeah not that brady from the rail for Rudy Rod coming out of a second place finish behind looking at bikinis WHO's a hot commodity on Friday in the Carlin not that Brady second to tax of course in the withers Damon Runyon winner on New Year's Eve not that Brady from Michael Imperial is out there as is third in the Mike Leigh to Blind Willie mcallen funny guy and of course bank it the Steve Asmussen Central Banker Colt that really established himself last year as a two year old good effort in the in the funny side beat a couple of decent horses and then later had that terrific effort behind long-range taty in the springboard mile to start his year tried you know he tried to force his way onto the triple. Crown Trail did bank it. He seven to two in here not that Brady is four to one blind Willie. Mattel is the favourite but he's going to have to negotiate Oscar. Gomez says going to have to get him around from the aide whole Jerry Zero bread this posse gelding who's never been worse than second in five starts. That's just that's just part of this group Todd Pletcher for Andrew Rosen and Barry Schwartz. That's a fashionable ownership pairing just right the intimacy of Colt Bolt coming out of a kind of a <hes> where where do you see Mike Lee the Mike Lee the start of the big apple triple the Mike Lee where he was fourth beaten four lengths so all kinds of interesting the horses in here <hes> Durken's call showed up here bill Matson's out the jump start gelding so feel debate a couple of bigger prices a couple of interesting locals hot diggity for Maya and actually hot diggity kind of danced around a little bit <hes> Little Belmont little aqueduct and then a winner of the Ontario County in his first finger lakes start so he's got a win over the track and Patty all day Dan Conway and this is actually this is going to be a fifteen to one shot and got two wins <hes> and also horse that has gone the two turns. This is a mile and a sixteenth so finger lakes with the New York Derby and the oaks the oaks just a five pack. Linda's got newly minted in there as the fortified favorite Dave Dunk Elegant Zip Jackie staffer wait a minute for the richie rich stable Keith Harris a will away a Dublin Philly and Espresso shot the the Nice Espresso Russell shot who tried them deep waters earlier this spring including the Gazelle nine to five era can't sell go now to ride for George Labral so a really nice pairing. I reached out to talk to Tony Kahlo to see if Tony has got a couple of minutes force at some point today and the voice of Finger Lakes L._A.. They go Tony's really underrated. I love his goals when you know when you get a chance to watch finger lakes I joy joy his his work and I haven't talked to him in a couple of years. Actually so maybe Tony Gala at some point today hey look forward to a little bit more of a preview about finger lakes and things got a good summer going out at the outset flakes the so that's the blind Willie mcfaul story the story last night the Canadian triple the crown continued at forty and there was actually a lot of nice social media activity and and conversation about the race going going in lots of lots awesome is video and photos and they had a terrific crowd at forty and the Prince of Wales one bad boy looked very comfortable and there was the point on the backstretch. I could see that obvious flatter was being asked Castellano asking the Josie Carroll trae Nita you know to keep up with one bad boy and then all of a sudden on on the turn you could see one bad boy. All of a sudden started to kind of spin wheels a little bit and got the sense that you know this is one of those cases where you you train a horse on dirt and say well. It looks so good on dirt. It's it's very different. It's very different in a race situation. He sometimes you know horses that get on the dirt hurt. If they are getting kickback that bothers them and they'll you know they'll handle fly around but you would think that a a front runner a front runner there's less susceptible to that concern and so obviously there was no kickback but they also they also they tire they can tire more quickly over the dirt you you know depending on their confirmation and and their way of going and so <hes> one bad boy starts the starts. The kind of idol obvious latter gets ahead in front Ed Bouchette they all were basically the two of them were victimized. Tone broke Ricardo Santana junior was basically biding time in third leading obvious flatter and one bad voice Oy spar in front of him and as we you know we kind of hit it and discuss it just felt like a tone broke was the the horse that had the most pronounced dirt form and sure enough and actually really at a very nice eleven to two. You Got Thirteen Twenty Ozzy J Frederick J J. I was absolutely thrilled to get that tote he all week he was. You know all couple of days ago. When when things would Saturday was boring and if people were were looking around for something to do <hes> hoc- I no you know he wrote the real anxious the vet tone broken here for just that reason this was a horse that had the most clear dirt form Ellen a ellen racing the broken vow? This was just a forty thousand dollars keeneland yearling purchase <hes> bread by SEAN FITZ Henry and of course if it's Henry's they've got the they have their own racing operation to and now they've they've bread Prince of Wales winter and we'll see who comes back in a few weeks the return to Woodbine the unique triple crown plan at the Canadian classic season now a mile and a half on the grass in the breeders back Woodbine so it's a cool it's always kind of an interesting test because you've got the the mile into quarter on the Pali the mile in three sixteenths on the dirt and then the mile and a half on the grass so really tests metal and without a triple crown on the line we'll see if if vault this and the team if they want to go back and you know keep trading at Woodbine and try him in the breeders they might they why wouldn't you I guess you know but at the same time you would imagine the tone broke looks toward you know looks toward something back in North America and I'm curious. I don't know if a fig no no figure yet at for the race but let's see when in one fifty something one fifty six and two very even actually fractions were very even twenty-three into forty eight flat one twelve to do one thirty seven and one fifty six two so this is a nice performance and Steve asmussen and Ricardo Santana junior with a blink stapled together the chart and and the P._p.'s and so now Steve Asmussen is building up his his inventory of things to talk about. I I was Kinda waiting. I didn't reach out to Steve to talk. Okay what you know. How much do we want to discuss midnight pieces win from Saturday but you know now all right now? We got something else. Sometimes that's yeah sometimes I'll do that. I'll just keep accruing a few things and cash them all out together. We'll take a break here and we're going to come back. Let's head into the break Joe and give you a couple of ideas of what's happening. We've got sean clancy look forward to talking to Sean since really since the start of the meat and what a perfect what a perfect way to get him on because today you got a terrific running of the Kaiser tomorrow the Smith Wick and speaking Smethwick let me give you. I think if I'm not mistaken I had this somewhere about tomorrow. Uh Patti Smith Wick has got another book there. It is racing time a memoir of love loss and liberation and Smith Wick and and artists Sam Robinson at the hall of fame at the Museum five thirty to seven thirty and you can buy the book and they'll be sure there'll be a little talk and it's a book launch the cocktail party the whole thing so but that on your potential agenda if you if you're trying to find something something to do and of course one more time to remind you that tomorrow night we've got our captain. Gala Captain Cares Dot Org. There's about eight or ten seats remaining so one hundred and twenty five dollars tremendous organization that looks after and and really really is a lifeline for troubled teens and kids at risk family services team that the central that the capital district is it really relied on and always one of the one of the important fundraising events of the season always about this time. Usually this is what the third what we to fourth yeah. Four Thursday seems like it's pretty well etched into that that day I I'm going to be emceeing. Portions of the evening and we're honoring shook mcgahey easy goer thirtieth anniversary of the summer of Goer. There's going to be the unveiling of Painting and actually the auction for the painting. That's one of the centerpiece fundraising efforts so at the city center there. We're not gonNA turn you away guaranteed if you'd like to be a part Captain Cares Dot O._R._G.. And you know <hes> regarding Smethwick the the book and I really should get him on the air <hes> racing my father which was really heralded and I'm sure you can buy that at the museum and having signed that that maybe I'll go before the event. I might do that <hes> that's probably that's. That's such a crazy idea tomorrow at the Museum Patti Smith. Would let's take a break Sean. Clancy gets US going said Fernando Siro Watch better refocused brought to you by Ellendale separately who some handicapping much more back after apple races with Steve on Sirius X._M.. Radio all right take care we the floor plus days got deaden all right twenty six thousand eight hundred seventy six. What's that X.? How many racist you could have bet last summer? UNEXPRESSED BET haven't signed up for an account yet. What are you waiting for on top of all those races express? X-press pets given away twenty five million X._p.. 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Maybe the first thing you read when you get the Saratoga special each morning John Good Morning Good Morning. They paid beer sean got much of things for you and go back to the weekend and I always reach reach for you when whenever you know some of these welfare issues and some of these complex topics arise and the latest being a concern for horses in hot weather that that <hes> you know now is is obviously you know part of part of this new this new scenario people that really don't know a whole lot about the animal and about <hes> the competition and the care that the horses receive now they're worried about running them in hot weather and I suppose by the time we get to winter. They'll be worried about running them in cold weather. I how do we respond to this. <hes> I mean it's very tricky. I you know I think when you're in this for you. You're always walking that fine line between <hes> you know the the sport and the the competition the races and you know health health and welfare the horses <hes> you know I kind of felt like Saratoga did the right thing. They a ahead of time today's out said right. We're going to postpone cancel. Saturday's races basically postpone them but to Sunday <hes> had a at a good card on Sunday obviously cost money and <hes> you know changed all our plans but I think that was the right move. <hes> you know it was stifling hot here on Saturday <hes> in it was taught Sunday but nothing like Saturday but if you were here Saturday walked outside it was like it just take you so. I thought they did the right thing. I <hes> <hes> mammoth I unfortunately I just you know I feel like they. I feel like they kind of vague didn't really make a decision and I think if you're if you plan to run the half school then then you needed to run it a whole postponing couldn't do all they kind of did both which <hes> me just hurt their third kind of hurt the reputation everything else. I don't think any really changed on Saturdays half. They just got pressure and I feel like if they knew they were GONNA get pressure and succumbs to pressure then they shouldn't have even tried to have the card <hes> I duNno. It's a really tricky tricky time. We live in. I mean I think everything has more scrutiny today than than it used to so <hes> <hes> you know something you have to consider having said all that I think being in the sport you do have to stand up your sport. You can't just be on your back. Foot running scared all the time I I don't think they necessarily get on this occasion but I think think something you've got to consider <hes> in today's world you know you you do have to have confidence and faith into sport. Not <hes> not be running scared. I completely agree and the the protests the protests scenario what's your view. Your offices are for this for the special are literally across the street from where the these protesters are assembling on Saturdays or indoor Sundays. <hes> what what's what's the answer we see what Dell we see what what Doug O'Neill and Oscar dilatory of done successfully in in del Mar is a time. Why don't we organize a counter protest? Yeah we probably should I mean. I don't think you can get one that you can't do you can't let allow people to the table and I think we've kind of done that with the Santoni if you ask them and I think that was disappointing I again. That's back to my my my second point earlier. Was You know you do have to stand up your sport. You can't <hes> you can't get a new back foot. I mean I think those I mean those type of protests don't really have and they don't really have a realistic approach to the sport nominated they think we'd just banned the sport altogether which <hes> obviously none of us think that's true and <hes> or should be you know a even a possibility of these sources of bread to do this. <hes> we take care of them sure there's search accidents and fatalities and that that is part of the sport. I don't say that lightly. I don't say that out. It's part of the sport and I'm okay with it. None of the throw K. with it <hes> and I think you have to have that's what I think as as a whole aw in the sport we have to have <hes> we have to be <hes> assertive and confident and have faith in our game for nobody will <hes> unfortunately thoroughbred racing in America's. It's very disorganized disjointed that we we don't have uniform perform roles from states eighth race track to race tracks so I think we're GONNA get real uniform. Voice is <hes> you know is probably pipedream sadly <hes> but <hes> I think it's something that's needed and something Manali say. Look People Talk About Commission. We need a commissioner with you can't be commissioner of nothing. We don't have a league. We don't have we just have individual race tracks all kind of competing for the same thing so <hes> and that's a bigger subject. That's the united they some America with a definition of it so <hes> you know but I think I definitely believe that we as a as a sport need to step up and be more confident more assertive more <hes> more definitive than in in in our approach to <hes> what's good in the game and <hes> and make sure we fathom being on the defensive I think sometimes you gotta be on the offensive and and put that unified voice <hes> out there and stand up for Wilson completely agree. Let's dive in and talk about what's been going on and we're we're approaching. Sean Sean clancy joining us and we're kind of getting into the meat of the meat <hes> the the new opening. was you know I think everybody was kind of wading into the action and getting a feel we've now had to Monday Tuesdays and some of the big standards on the on the annual summer calendar are starting to starting to filter in like the Jim Jim Dandy that they'll draw today and the other supporting action the Vanderbilt and the Bowling Green on Saturday etc your impressions here of the first the first week and a half. It's been I mean I don't ever use the word surreal but it's been a little bit surreal just feeling like the new at such an early beginning <hes> it's so much earlier than before <hes> the weather's been just completely chaotic the rain and a he <hes> then you have the media seen euro dies and Mary Whitney is when you look up and see this board for her on the big screen and the Infield and the moment of silence wow just really kind of it's <hes> but I think the whole first week ten days or long we've been here. It's just been surreal. It's like it hasn't really been <hes> like an almost not is. It just hasn't felt like Saratoga yet. I'm the crowds or the crowd crowd Sunday. It was pretty sparse over there which goes obviously they didn't have racing Saturday <hes> thirteen race car pot so <hes>. It's just been a little <hes>. It's been surreal. It's really been I think committee. That's the accurate word to describe how it's been so far <hes> obviously great racing some great action Sunday card. I went over there my brother going home. They rescheduled the jump race. I went over to do TV with Andy. Sterling I walked in their ten thirty in the morning and <hes> I hadn't really planned on staying all day <hes> and I knew a couple nice steak seashells early than the Shoe v in the corrupts relate and I thought well I'll take a break in the middle and I actually once I got there there I I i. I couldn't really I didn't leave. I mean I every good race to your old and maize on the grass allowance sources and <hes> barrage show in a two of Van. I mean it was a really good card. I stayed for the whole lame we I. I walked out of there eight o'clock. By the time I walked out. There was the old nine and a half hours to trash. I don't think I've ever been attract that long but it was really good card. I mean you know for me. As long as if the quality is is high I at Saratoga. I'm happy I'm fine with it. I'm <hes> I'm enchanted by its when the quality goes down and you look at some of the cards and you know and I and I'm not blaming anybody. It's just it's in today's climbing. Don't have the quality and tell you once did and trying to have a forty day meet up here but that car was strong and I it was riveting to to be there all day and watch the watch all the <hes> all the action. I mean it just Jimmy. I stood up with Jimmy Toner one. I jumped out of my. Chair raised my hands to the sky and the guy behind you. Did you have that horse. You'd pay pays. She pays sixty one dollars and I I didn't have right. It's like Jimmy Toner those those moments or just brilliant at Saratoga <hes> and this place still brings those kind of things which is <hes>. It's so <hes> it's just so <hes> it's just enchanting. I mean that's the way I think all of us who are here over the years. When you have those kind of moments those type of races just <hes> I I really had I mean it was a long day? It was crazy long day but I really enjoyed it the most fun day at the track. It's funny I I at the same I had that same sense on on Sunday that it just you got to a certain point. You said well. I gotta stay at this point. You know I gotta say stay for the maiden race. That looks good. <hes> see what you know what we got there. <hes> then you realize well now. You're getting close to the end. I Kinda WanNa see the Shoe V. and there's also betting opportunities that that we're kind of jumping off a off the page as well I agree <hes> and speaking of betting opportunities will morph into a little bit of conversation about the start of the steeplechase season. I did television with south course and a lot of time seth and I'll sit there and do some work as it used to be that we'd be working on the Monday card hard or I'll do my and my post scratch adjustments and tickets and so forth and so you know you came on with Andy and you gave outs Sitai at a fat six to one and a and that was a very I liked repeat repeat so you you contributed because I absolutely sat up and took notice that you plucked out <hes> Willie McCarthy and Jack Fischer and you know you've got horses with Jackie. You've got horses with several <hes> of the of the jump trainers but <hes>. How did you know how did say kind of jump at Ya I? I've always liked that horse. I actually bought him for Joe. Johnson the Jack Fischer off they'll mind clayborn and so I've always found him <hes> he's Kinda. He's been he's just been hammered soft turf in some of our races at the hunt meets <hes> you know it sounds crazy but the cutback to two and a sixteenth up here like that you know it's just it's really what he suited you too. I thought he'd just love the tariff love firm SARAF. <hes> of the short attributes get good flat form willing mccart again beautiful ride put him up in the race very positive ride and <hes> he just had been struggling a little bit of the hunt meets up and downhill soft ground. <hes> wasn't really getting home those racists in <hes>. I don't know he just looked just looking out on Jack Fischer. Look Jack Fish One. I think that was his twenty fifth. Jump Win of the season which twenty five wins for trainer in and steeplechasing that would win the that win the year end title that would probably win the year end tidal ninety eight percent of the year so in the last fifty years. I mean that's how many wins these guys so he just dominant this year horse you're doing great great got a great facility and <hes> he just looked like the right horse at the right time one of the things and when I have Bill Gallo will talk to bill tomorrow ahead of the Smethwick but when villain I talk about it and I've done it with you to people that feel like they don't. They don't know what they're looking at when they look at the P._p._i.. For the jump races one of the clues when we're at the flat tracks when we're at monmouth in Saratoga colonial coming up at CETERA wherever jump races are being run at a oval at a racetrack oval speed is at a premium especially now with the last fence removed and horses basically simply sprinting after the last jump from around the turn to the wire so when you see a worse like say who was turning in eighty buyers. It's obvious that that's a horse with real speed and when you compare it to horses you know that we're running fifties and sixties when they were on the flat during their career. Those horses will have an edge and it's not that hard to come up with a sixty one shop like that now exactly but I I use platform up here her way more than I would have thought because just like said it just plays <hes> he's got good platform and he's a lovely horse for bill wasn't going on state course so <hes> they sold them and you did the right thing. Think sound light source got talent <hes> and you know he just was perfectly here Eilat one day I was Ron Anderson. The jump race is about to go off he said who do you like him here and I didn't have a strong opinion that day and I was kind of going back four and he goes all the numbers don't lie and he picked up the rag. He looks at these sorts of seven. He's got the best numbers he man of seventy eighty ran a four and he just got a seven and now how we don't have a shot here and sure enough the seventy s gal ran off on one of the great you know agent for Joel Rosario now he just turned the shut his book and looked at me and said I told you numbers never yeah well. You know it's it because the speed speeds at a premium and and that's what had attracted need to repeat repeat the Julie Gombeen run tore. You got plenty of speed exact he was alive in there for sure well. Let's turn our attention to the two fabulous back to back today and tomorrow and Sean. This is as deep in a competitive running of the Kaiser as I can remember yeah. It's a great race geyser NAPI feel pets. Today's rates is a bunch of Nice worse in there. I don't really really I haven't really finalized so I like yet which is probably fast time for me. <hes> but it's strong it's good race and then Tamaz races. <hes> is just as deep if not deeper <hes> then today so <hes>. It's funny how it works. I mean some years become can't fill rate is in this year. We just these two racist side and there's an also eligible in the in the Smith which I haven't seen also allergy jump race since probably back when I was riding which is fun. It's great the sport that healthy and that strong. Let's let's take a look at this field. If you got you obviously are familiar with any number of them. We do have a first time North America Leslie Young Young for Sharon Shepherd as sends out tradition last seen it at air and these are always a little mysterious the first time North America Jumpers unless you know less mullins is bringing them over <hes>. I kinda don't know necessarily what we're looking at. What <hes> what what can you tell us? It's a nice horse. He <hes> he's made for America at followed him over there and <hes> I I wouldn't I didn't wasn't able to buy ores but I I've always liked the source he wants three <hes> three juvenile hurdles which is three three year old hurdles frown King and then he actually went to the triumph hurdle Cheltenham e seven to one and the triumph hurdle which is their best <hes> four year old <hes> stakes okay so hurdles and <hes> didn't run that great. They're just getting a little found out once he got tougher competition over there and then they switched him back to the two all weather random Manam quite a bit really all winter long and <hes> but he's a nice source perfect type hyper here. He's got some speed he was purchased originally but Chieveley Park bought <hes> they they spend a lot of money on to run them at Cheltenham and then he just didn't quite pan out there but nice horse. <hes> only thing I don't like is he hadn't had a racier. You know hadn't had any on a flat prep. <hes> the LAS asked to come here and run your first time over these hurdles and then you know to change and he's been off since April. <hes> that's the question Marvi. It had one little PREP I. I'd like him a lot more today. I had that same that same kind of feeling and especially when you start with a horse like Jonathan Shepherds Jonathan's got sportswear and considering detaille and in his performance on Sunday sportswear you know beat him in that non winners to allowance at Percy Warner. Yes sports was nice source. I actually just heard somebody just told me that he's not running so I knew that yeah we need to I find that out but <hes> if he runs he glide he's run twice over hurdles one both by Frankel lovely horse <hes> I just. I'm not sure he's running. I gotta find that out well. I'll check right as we were running. He's he's he's running. He's live from he's. He's done nothing wrong to run your second start over hurdles at Nashville. which is that the P._O._W.? For Percy wanted to run their and your second star beat beat them season allowance sources <hes> strong form for sure well bred by frank ladder casual. Look we'll Hash bread or wrongly. I kind of poked around Jack. Fishers got three in here and it was Lord Justice to me was the was the best of the three <hes> I really enjoyed last year when when arch Kingsley came up with boss man and had that win early in the in the season <hes> then came back and won the won the Walsh Walsh or finished well in the Walsh went down state and won the intimate and so obviously boss man. Maybe a little better on the flat than on the <hes> then at the hunt the opportunities right exactly no doubt. I mean if you if you're if you're just looking quickly at Eh Purnell forum here you WanNa look back at the race track. In Saratoga formed Belmont form. You know those are the flat speed favoring ovals compared to the hunt meets where you're going up and down hills boss man's a perfect example pretty decent flathorses actually Bill Maher Jason Service. I think there are only two guys ever trained them which is Ironic F- in this year's Derby but he <hes> he's fast is raises for good up here and you can see out form tailed off as soon as he left the track so you know he was he when he won he wanted <hes> he wanna Queen Scupper early. Relatively flat came here one Saratoga Fish third in the Walsh one then on the five minutes soon as he went at hunt meets the far hills callaway gardens Nashville he just hadn't been effective soft ground up and down hills just doesn't really appeal to you know you can't use his speed over those type checks <hes> just hearing from Bill Gallo and Sean indeed sportswear vet scratch and so he'll have to they'll have to wait disappointed for Jonathan Sheppard and and the owners <hes> to go to come out of the spotlight this right pointing four and of course spel serious is a scratch today because Kate Dalton running <hes> the eight year old tomorrow in the Smith One right exactly the Smith opened up those optimus prime who would have been favored for the Smith that he would have been overwhelming mcshea he <hes> he got her <hes> out of data parks flat race training twice they have to jump or so one tease out this -nificant open. why Went Wide Open Try Bell Sarah so you're on the man said today well L. and I originally I was going to use sports where but I thought elucidation? <hes> was a at eight to one. I thought the right price <hes> good spot nighthorse actually bet on the parks when he's third and that attorney firings US twenty one the one ran very well <hes>. He's a nice horse <hes> point for this good form last year <hes> decent platform in England. If you look he's right around in for Sir Michael Stoute over there. He's got probably got enough speed <hes> if you look at some of those sources that he was running against over there okay <hes> Zuma Rudy he actually came over here once a night race it sure makes them <hes> he was in one of those races so he's live for sure nighthorse well well and speaking of <hes> of pointing for the smethwick the first grade one of the meat and let's get to the river dee injury. You're enjoying a terrific season Sean with you and your partners Gerbil Farro <hes> in tomorrow. You've got the Red Hot Mike Mitchell who seems to just elevate any horse that he gets a leg up on yeah. He's I mean he's he's. He's okay you Barrowman. I got through the novice conditions <hes> his race at Nashville is three miles on soft ground. He didn't travel yard that damn after he went a quarter Mile You you knew he was in trouble. We just didn't like it so I kind of just draw a line through that <hes> have always thought of them as kind of a firm ground down flat track type force you WANNA raise it. <hes> try on firm ground <hes> he's kind of these light kind of quick natal kind of quickly made or <hes>. He's not as big as so. You'll see some of these big chasers kind a big raw boned or she's not like that very much like a flat or so. <hes> he's got to step up. He's never faced <hes> we try to once again open company and it was kind of a disaster at the Iroquois but <hes> you know he had some excuses there <hes> I hate to post outside those even in a two and a sixteenth Mon- jump race is tricky. GotTa Kinda get over somehow save crown so I was hoping to have a better post in that but <hes> I think run all right well. You got the right <hes> you certainly got the right Smethwick jock because Mitchell has won the last two yeah exactly he's on a roll now Mike interesting grade. He's leading rider right now. He got the Job Kinda I call for Jack Fischer <hes> this winter knees really made the most of it he something's I think he won sixteen races or something. It's just done really well. I ride a little bit like a flat rider. He's got a good finish real neat and tidy on a horse so <hes> I'm glad I wanted to phares only ridden the ones on so <hes> I'm I'm glad he's riding my horse for sure well as it happens. I mean the defending the defending winner is in here for Arch Kingsley that show court and what are you. What are we doing in here tomorrow? Well I mean it's tricky. His forms is tail off as well. I mean if you look back at Smith was really good <hes> and he hadn't done really anything. Since over jumps you want to count a little flat rates at Pine Mountain <hes> last fall but <hes> you know he he's ten years old. I'm afraid he's just probably not as best. We haven't seen his best sincere since we're here last year now having said that back to my point earlier is more probably more of a racetrack horse so <hes> you know he might come. They might come back to some of his best form when he comes back to Saratoga but <hes> chain mama thoughts Kingsley moves string Mama <hes> so yeah. It's probably put a little more speed until maybe that'll help him here as opposed to you know some of the handmaid's starts <hes> but it's wide open I mean I've talked to Jack Fischer. They got four. He's got four in there you know he said any of his four could win in any of the anybody in the race and that's how deep it is like I said without offense frying it just the race it just it became wide open and that's why you see see all the horses men <hes> great betting contests. I mean you really just have an opinion. <hes> you'll get a price talk a little bit about the first time North America runners then you mentioned Jack and Pepe Le Pew the Irish bred <hes> an eight year old <hes> last seen actually a carlisle. We played the Carlisle Bell for everybody a couple of weeks ago and I dave our our mayor err who runs tomorrow after Carlisle <hes> there's vase the Romany <hes> as well for Jack and then Leslie Young has got bedrock as well. What what WHO's coming in hot actually off a pair of wins the we <hes> I mean as far as the European form bedrock is by far the best meets one? They won his last two very highly rated beat a horse named Sam Crow who is Gordon Elliott's. <hes> you know one of his best Nava toddlers news really was. I'm on the on the road to the champion. Hurdle at Cheltenham wound up getting hurt and really didn't perform as well as everybody thought but bedrock feed them that day <hes> it'd be wicklow brave or if you've ever looked up his all time classic courses done at all all ministers Melbourne Cup to Cheltenham down at all <hes>. He's a really nice source. You hadn't runs November. They've bought him a bottom after the race at down Royal. <hes> in November brought him over is obviously had some issues using different things <hes> because he hadn't had any races. He's a little bit like redeem where you know you like them. Just wish he had some kind of flat prep or a little hurdle star or something just to knock off. Some of the Roskin use their offense this hairstyle racing <hes> <hes> light source me if he's back to his best form if he if he put he reproduces either one of his last two races you know he's he's a star here is by far the worst beat now whether he can do that off of <hes> you know almost and he's Austin's November <hes> change in countries. <hes> you know everything else. You know that that's the question mark for him. <hes> von Romney Really Nice source <hes> same thing he's hiding handicap over there <hes> real two miler <hes> <hes> they've always liked him on good for good if you look back at his form ran on good to firm ground and won very easily <hes> Sam twiston-davies to <hes> is one of the top two three jockeys in England as one of the all time greats <hes> he comes over to ride the horse which is fun. <hes> he's won ten races over jumps. He's ten for thirty two <hes> really cool horse and Jack has had him for a while. I kind of helped him. <hes> help the guys organize a trip and come over. He's had him since then. He's been over here since about mid in June. Which I kind of like you know at least that time the back were made and kind of get here a lot schooling and <hes> and you know if he same thing he puts his best foot forward? He goes back to his best form. He you know he top-shelf for sure <hes> and then they look cute. He's a little different <hes> yeah I think it's probably stands up to those other horses <hes> and he's been here just a few weeks Jack <hes> eight year old <hes> coming out of chases <hes> the he's probably I believe the weakest the photos I guess on your English form. <hes> you know the same thing. You'd like to just see this far as betting just like to see seeing you know see a race before you kinda get real real confident on by source <music>. <hes> mad just adds to the the to the STU. You know what I mean. It's just great fears many horses. They're all wide variety forces great race well. I have to ask the question <hes> you one. I know you won the turf writer. We've talked about <hes>. We've talked about that over over the years. How close did you ever come to winning a Smith work? I you know I never one one <hes>. I I remember hitting the board. A few times I second on the pier print <hes> and number hidden aboard a couple of times but never wanted. I sure like the wind has an owner named after Patti Smith. It's one of the great jump jockeys in Harrisburg. Joe Aitchison was all time greatest four hundred forty race this <hes> which will never be topped Secondhand Patti Smith three ninety eight and those guys are so good tied tied for third behind them as Jerry fish back in duly is three o one so <hes> Patty Smith Joe H in just legends of our game I mean he was <hes> just a gray ride at a real <hes> distinctive think of C._D.. Said real long along hold <hes> one all there was the win badly <hes> lost vary at a young age <hes> through some health issues but <hes> great jockey and <hes> it'd be a real honor to <hes> to win his race for me. That's just you know one of those guys use. idolize I mean all I ever wanted to do was Reid jumped races guys like Patti Smith were just they were just out there the main they were just the Furio to me and then they were just none untouchable. You know if I could get anything to Stephen could get to ride in the race. It's just an honor to me so <hes> so cool is it'd be a real honor to <hes> to win for sure now got you chase the some some legends in to like lonesome glory and Kevin Neal and so forth that <hes> some of the early runnings of of the Smethwick and of course later in the meet the New York Turf Writers Cup and the season well underway and for people that are are intimidated by the jump races. Don't be it their thoroughbreds running out there and just so happens. There's you know there's some fences out. They hop over but other than that. It's it's no different <hes> you look for horses that that fit that run well on on the course so we've tried to educate people that speed at a premium here <hes> when it comes to running jumps at the racetrack and it it's exciting. It's one of my favorites and looking forward to tomorrow. I can't be there in time for today. 'CAUSE I gotta go to Vermont But <hes> tomorrow we'll be broadcasting from the eighteen sixty three and the bill Gallo will join us and I can't wait for the SMETHWICK and I mentioned earlier Sean Patrick. <hes> is signing books <hes> tomorrow afternoon evening at the museum. He's got his his new memoir and I'm sure that racing my father <hes> you know about Patty <hes> as well <hes> we'll be available yeah exactly now. It's a great tribute for steeplechasing. We we accept and understand the the the danger part of the sport but in in today's world when you're talking about you know the longevity of the thoroughbred if you look at the horses run and Smith Week Eleven eight five nine ten eight nine eight six eight turn my page nine seven hands minis are older horses who are still have a great day to live quality of life and great longevity in <hes> you know still doing it and that's what you were meant to be about taking good care or system seen them have long fruitful careers and then go on something else many social all the <hes> all gone into the Bob something now so <hes> so that's you know we love see I I went over to see Jack Fischer sources so typical you end up. I go there. Write a story and by the end of holding I'm grazing `interland. They need an extra hand. You know Johnny's just need old horse eleven years old real stella kind of way out and then <hes> yeah you know and that's what that's great about C.. which facing well speaking of second careers or maybe first careers do? I understand that miles you put him to work the summer yeah. We haven't got him up here yet. I need to get him out here. On the paper route he <hes> he had a great line he rides a little bit and he was a mom of park and somebody asked asked him. If he wrote and miles ten he said why I look at riding and horse racing as more of a hobby than a force to the man was owners trainers jock all kind of looked at each other like he's actually right all he's got a great. He's got a grade <hes> kind of insightful look at life. Hope hope he keeps it very <hes>. It's very area very fun to watch him. Go Up and come up with lines like that so he'll be up in a few weeks hopefully excellent well. Everybody should be starting their day with the Saratoga special and you can would follow Saratoga special and this is horse racing course Sean and his brother Joe and Tom Law and the staff they assemble every summer that all end up going on onto become writers and major major contributors in one way or another around <hes> racing it seems and amazing undertaking on a daily basis the Saratoga special a little bit more relaxed though with at the extra day off right pretty good yeah yeah. It helps a little yeah the Monday Tuesday sure helps we've <hes> we've actually been able to do some laundry and get a real meal have a little bit of a quality life straight that part's in a big. I think that's Nice yes. The big adjustment is in that part just gives you a little. Kinda didn't realize how that Monday car would just you know. Keep you kind of turned into the Monday Tuesday when you just keep calling Yup besides I've couple of today's makes big difference well and you should be following Sean who changed his moniker to buy Sean clancy and Sean always a absolute treat for us and for everybody I appreciate appreciate it not pleasure I enjoyed thanks Sean clancy and there you go preview of <hes> the Kaiser today as well as tomorrow's SMETHWICK will be with. Tom Will be with <hes> Bill Gallo tomorrow when we broadcast from the eighteen sixty three. Let's take a break top of the hour is here and we'll come back. Catch up with Sid Fernando. We kind of lost track said last week we had so much going on but we'll catch up next sire sire watch better refocus brought the Ellendale apparitions with Steve on Sirius X._M.. Radio Amazing achievements Pennsylvania breads on the world stage. Thanks to find city unique Bella and shamrock rose. 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Radio YOU'RE GONNA love it and that's <hes> Mikey guaranteed must be eighteen years or older and twenty one years old and certain states opened the countless express bet state with such activities legal void where prohibited national gambling support line eight hundred five to two forty seven hundred now back to at the races with Steve on Sirius X._M.. Radio Yeah we're back at the races five minutes to our on this Wednesday and we have to have a double session because last Wednesday was like a blur there was like a bunch of things coming off the vacation and <music>. I don't know what happened but next thing we knew there was no sid and believe me. People Notice said they were where we said. They wanted to know. My no problem at all I got we got ask. I brought it up with Pete yesterday. We all saw Monday the flooding on Carol Street and you noted on I saw on your twitter feed that you keep your bike close by everything alright okay I. There's a bike garage on right off Fourth Avenue. I'm Butler street I haven't I haven't doubled checks that I haven't heard from them. So you know fingers crossed over in fine yeah it was crazy. Flooding <hes> just appeared so quickly <hes> fortunately we live on park slope's of on the top of the slope of Fourth Avenue kind of at the bottom and there's so much building around there and and <hes> it's just you know Kinda just built up. There was really crazy really quickly to it. It was stunning. I mean I don't remember I don't even remember images like that. During the hurricane being as really really unbelievable I mean this is just remember. There's no climate change. Keep that in mind none of none of these extremes no none of it has anything to do speaking a wish. I mean what bloodlines can insulate us from hundred degree temperatures what sires horses that excel that's right you have to look at I suppose <hes> <hes> only geldings running in Hong Kong because Hong Kong they're all gilding and <hes> you know it's it can get hot there and we should investigate <hes> what takes place over there and you know he's he's gone now but you say you made me think there was that good horse from California <hes> that got hurt and a and heat seeker heat seeker would've been a good <hes> right. There's a natural for this for this situation well now. I mean the the interesting <hes> topic at this time. Always is the first crop stallions and how their progeny are performing and I don't know if this is a fair assessment so far said but it kind it feels like feast or famine. There's a there's a handful of first crop stallions that are getting winners on a regular basis and there's some that are now starting to be Oh for ten oh for whatever and. <hes> it doesn't seem like there's much middle ground so far yeah it's it's interesting because <hes> I wrote a piece Keke weeks back. Just before I believe at the end of end in June with the UH with you know with the two year old he's really starting to get into full bloom and <hes> Francis Karen wrote a piece. She writes a column for our blogging works or consultant. <hes> Kinda followed up on that yesterday but the just was that journeyman started humor horse <hes> coz on was training superb performance performance with the with the early season sprints and he still leads the first crop sire of category <hes> however I you know I've mentioned that American Pharaoh was <hes> voice and to to do some damage damage and that particular weekend and got his first group winter <hes> was Wesley Wards Maven <hes> in in France of all places the aquit a winner <hes> and so he's now catapulted how to Paul to the second place Francis pointed out that this is an important thing to keep in <hes> food for listeners to watch handicapping <hes> three three tenths of tapping already been represented founded by a black type winner and that <hes> capture at Darby Dan Race Day at a spendthrift and <hes> <hes> who is constitution the winter. Thank you very much yeah yeah so those three tap. It's now right up there on the list as well <hes> and her column was really interesting because there's so many happened in the pipeline to come up with her this year next year of course Brockton next year cupid at <hes> at Ashford is GonNa be coming up through the year so there's it's a it's a it's a it's. That's a good sign for the tablets. You already have <hes> tap is our gains where who got the champion Filly <hes> so that's a real interesting point to keep people watch out for that yeah I will tell you that <hes> lanes in Liam's map just got off the mark with his <hes> first winter and so that's a good sign for the sons of unbridled song because we've long speculated that <hes> as greatest Iras was and all these good sons Tad we're coming to the end of the line with his sons and there was some news that gray dr now left or we'll be leaving <hes> tailor-made go to California <hes> kind of puts the pressure on <hes> horses rights crotch traffic at Ben Thrift to champion in his first crop is first crop is three this year <hes> and up and comers like Liam's map was first crop is running here <hes> and of course <hes> we'll take charge at three chimneys is first crops three this year and then the Big Guy Arrogance is going to be coming up but that's the end of the line really realistically for <hes> unbridled Song Sire of sires so that's <hes> that's another story line. That's GonNa Kinda underwrite itself depending on how these two now and as we kind of look and you got to go to the page <hes> you mentioned journeymen co Zan eight for seventeen with with his her seventeen runners and he's got seventy three three so he he's got plenty of of bodies out there working their way around the racetrack. You mentioned tap pitcher and of course sky of Hook got the the wind at Saratoga seven right one not with the twenty runners of the racetrack seven or winners. There's quite a few that don't have a stake winner yet but are doing well commissioner. Who I've been a big fan of the sun waiting for you know some some some steak opportunities but five of his first thirteen have have one so which is a nice nice strike rate <hes> palace malice four for thirteen for three chimneys Kirwin son Mark and and the other abnd of course that everybody is helping some big thing lanes in honor code absolutely and you gotta go down? He's got and it's early yet and you're there. Are you would think I think there's certain names that show up on these lists that are not necessarily going to get winners four and a half five and a half furlongs. Yes happened <hes> some on May not really expecting <hes> early stuff from him. <hes> you know he's a Belmont stakes winner and you know predom- of me ten to twelve furlong yes he did win the the A mile g one mile in New New York but he's a big <hes> big leggy or that has the type of physicality that you'd expect <hes> early spring for your old then summer three-year-old be the model for him another one the slightly this is a little bit more a little surprising palace is looking for his first winner over ten in and of course originally by City Zip himself but palace as a sprinter that is a that is a pedigree and a name that you thought <hes> you know might hit the ground running yeah and the the key to <hes> to look <hes> when you're when you're analyzing things that I wrote about this new T._d.. And a couple of weeks ago first crop sired <hes> <hes> they usually have their best performances <hes> or I should say a close to happen forces if you look at their records and turns the black type production percentage alleged to number of folds. You'll find you know forty five to fifty percent of them have had their best results even to this day from their first crop and that's because very very simple thing we've talked about before stud managers trying to do everything they can to get a horse going in that first year so some of the best mayors are allocated to that type of <hes> <hes> you know relatively gutsy <hes> something some of the most advanced thinking is allocated to that horse trying to get some early maturing. There's some hard hitting there's deep pedigree mirrors and there's a real game plan plan to try to get out early and because of all the <hes> planning for I got worse it turns out that that's why buyers like buying them. That's why prescribes through wealth and historically when you look back in my you know I found just top twenty thousand two thousand eighteen the random sample forty five percent of their <hes> forty five percent of them still have as their first crop being the most productive who you know well into their careers. Seventy percent of first crop are better than the second and that's the big thing thing to understand <hes> and sometimes if you're handicapping and you're looking at a young siren you look at it third crop <hes> third crops sometimes can have a positive impact because readers of scene with the full look right before they breed in that third crop and so if you're doing some investigating and you look and say hey look at this sailing actually got more marriages third crop that means that there were positive results from those fold and and you know breeders decided to go back to that was third year. There's a lot of handicapping Steve that takes place in the breeding shed <hes> and so a complete handicapper especially one who's looking at sires as an advantage <hes> looking at maiden races and and and analyze this can incorporate some of this <hes> into their into their <hes> bottles because there's some there's some important information they can be out of here just looking for those. I got an email that I haven't had a chance to answer yet. Last night. <hes> was was asked about tracking progeny and you know the same way that you can you can do searches or you can do uh stable mail for specific horses or trainer and Jock <hes> alerts looking for pedigree alerts and blood horse and T._d.. N An and to all have you know various stallion tracking devices of that whether they're you know the by crop and so forth <hes> looking right here at the blood horse stallion page you know which offers you each of the various first crop sires second crop sires leading sires overall as well as regionals girls and one of the statistics in there that is really fascinating is the yearling average and what the various stallions babies got last year as yearlings and when you see you can see instantly the ratio of at least this early success and you know statistically i. I don't know what what do you consider yourself as as a statistically significant amount of love of runners and at what point essentially what point to stallion managers get concerned about <hes> the way the numbers are going okay well to park before I answer that question I also want to <hes> direct listeners to the T._d.. and which I you as extremely important <hes> research <hes> are on their website and if you go into their research part and you use the same call progeny P._p.'s of of stallions you put the stallions name and I just did that for capture examples and it gives you every one of his starter starters so far and it gives you the damn the dam sire the distance the track the person to raise the rates of the race and and for all the winners okay so and it gives you the yearling early prices the chart video. That's really important <hes> research category look at so it's <hes> it's something that professionals use and free. I would recommend all your <hes> your your listeners. They're interested in this. Go Go to the DOT com and whether it's on your computer or your iphone you can just go to their research department and look at this project P P thing as well as with all the things that you talked about seeing <hes> as far as stallions go <hes> you know you got first crops running here and <hes> what would the the the the the way people are following a first craps <hes> if if follow them by number of winners they follow them by progeny earnings as well so just like the General Cyrus is based on projects earnings and that's how they rank <hes> similar type of thinking <hes> is used for first crop so you want to see <hes> what what their earnings are and presumably the earnings are coming from black type races which tend to be the most <hes> lucrative so you know you look at that you look at the black type performances you look at the number of winners and <hes> what I found and this is. This may be a startling thing here <hes> but I what I've found generally speaking speed is by the end of the a year if you're a first crop force is not ranked within the top ten on the first crop with and this is based on progeny earnings. It's very difficult that horse to move forward and have a successful career there. Are you know there are examples of where exceptions to that of course choice but that's that's a that's a pretty solid gauge. I would say it doesn't mean though that a horse that say leading list or high up they're going to be guaranteed success because a lot of these he's working as he pointed out <hes> our courses that have early maturing runners that may not go on so it's it's a matter of looking at at at at such a list and say for example Napoli a horse that was really or say a horse like American Farrell example triple crown winner. You expect his three year olds to do well and and you see always like that where you expect better performance at three but you're you're seeing really high level performances to his list. Those who really good bets go away so it's not so much number of winners or what not I would say you know first crop wars. It's nice to have fifteen winners eighteen winter. Those are great numbers. It's <hes> it's a combination of winter stakes winner and earnings us together to try to try to gauge <hes> uh at project very similar to baseball say with a young <hes> prospects in the minor leagues and what he's putting together. What can you project as his first? She's in the triple crowds. He's and is about to take take quite a lot of it is is certainly projected. How how much influence do these early results and since you're only talking King essentially I mean serious two year old racing June July and August I mean we we've had the July sale? We got Saratoga coming up in two weeks. Then you've got keeneland in the first half of September how much influence these early results have on the yearling trade. Eh that that does it does it offer bargains where people have this early but potential negative impression and the might just be that there haven't been enough runners yet and they haven't gotten got into their optimal distance yet well. That's an interesting question. Brings the point I was made in the column I wrote which is we're looking at the first crop right now right and the yearlings that are going to be sold their second crop so. Doc <hes> say a horse is doing really well in his first crop well statistically speaking the black types performers black type winners to name to name foles. There's a big drop off off any sound in the second crop so if you're buying a yearling this year from the first crop runner you have to beware that the output is GonNa be generally. Let I'll give you an example uncle Mo had twenty five black type winners in his first crop and extraordinarily high percentage. I think would <hes> got it was in my columnist yet but maybe I WANNA say sixteen percent black type winners named foals. He had a drop the second year but you know to nine percents but that's the normal type hyper dropped. It does take place so you have to be beware that he general not on an individual basis cropping is on the macro level. You're going to have a drop off in that second crop so oh you're <hes> nostalgia in question. Is You know if he's winning everything in sight by the time August that <hes> as Saratoga or September sales come along if if if they're winning really well yes. It's going to have a great positive impact and it's GonNa probably you're probably GONNA pay more for some of these second crop yearlings then you ought to because of the success of the first crop conversely if a worsening stagnating is going to depress the price even further <hes> in that second crop that's that's that's for sale that crappy ailing what will will be for sale in these yearling sales however our first crop yearling and those are and since we are showing those goodbye if you know which you know if you have an idea and and an an opinion on <hes> at work it's like handicapping rate absolutely it will start to look forward to the sale and also senior up here <music> as we get toward the the very intense ten days or so the open the open catalog and then the New York breads the sale always he's a highlight one of the real. That's when for some people that's you know that's. The Aug portion of the meat is when you know they for them. Saratoga still is the August place to be not just the summer place at the the four weeks that we look forward to and for years was the was the norm and then you know then the six weeks five at the five and then six now it's close to eight so for expanding year round here all year zig how about a couple of quick thoughts about the three year olds going to be grappling for a championship and it was a very another another tension filled the afternoon for Gary West and and Ben Glass and Jason Service Lewis Sayas and maximum security but it's going to be very very hard if he keeps if he keeps performing at a high level. It's going to be hard for people to deny him. The Derby performance not the Derby win of course but the Derby performance is clearly embedded embedded in people all you have to do is look at the look at these votes for like right. I mean that into the equation I agree I think so too what what were your thoughts when my thoughts and my thoughts here happen to coincide inside with <hes> and I remained every myself in commenting on that because people now the western clients of worker consultants and <hes> you know we had a we helped with the planning of the meaning of maximum security as we did with <hes> are small now in our small Pinson advising on the purchase of game winner for them so those horses maximum back security and game winner <hes> game winner coming back the weekend war <hes> you know it's an exciting time for the West because I think those two horses right now are <hes> among the top three year old and they head to the latter part of the season. I think they're sitting on to you know probably two to the top <hes> members of this crop and it could end up in each second half of it's easy for them. <hes> and <hes> you know obviously for us. We're thrilled with that. <hes> little part of news item directed standing New Year's Day of course <hes> <hes> and earlier this year they sold the horse because of lack of interest another case tying into what happens to varying when when they're not getting first crop <hes> action and the horses sold <hes> and I have to actually be in the Room Qinglin January hill with Benny blacks when they were talking about the are they got in there mentor me about just you know they were selling the horse. It may have been at Keeneland November last year forget but whenever they were about to sell the horse to Brazil which they ended up doing and then this worst gets a course at finishing first in the Kentucky Derby well <hes>. Would you believe it that the horses sold fairly inexpensively to Brazil the people in Brazil have now after Standing Horse <hes> war having the Horse in Brazil <hes> to this northern hemisphere season which they obviously are southern hemisphere country yeah they have now solo horse to Japan for five million dollars unbelievable unbelievable and I and I believe it's going to be Yoshida's <hes> even though it hasn't been announced <hes> I mean they would be the logical. Oh sure destination right but five million dollars what a score that is and I know for fact how much that horse you know was very inexpensive. We sold to Brazil <hes> so you know everybody gets a second chance even even sires yeah and the case of the sire that <hes> now is going to have a terrific opportunity in Japan Dan because they love <hes> you know knives and Kentucky Derby winner it's true and and they they certainly have had their you know their their share of success. It's funny that comes up. I don't know if you heard if you had a chance chance to hear Stewart's Simon with me was it yesterday or maybe Monday but lost track but we talked about the Royal North winner from Sunday summer Sunday and Oh you know silent name <hes> who is incredibly under appreciated son of Sunday silence and standing very quietly and without fanfare all he does is get runners. Yeah Yeah that the you know it's it's very interesting. <hes> ended tied into your first question about first crop winters well. There's the stallion like that adding Europe called Sir Francis a lot who read your by number of first crop winners but when silent afterwards because he wasn't getting the steak sources behind him and was eventually sold Australia Elia by chance had had some horses from the northern hemisphere crops sold tattersall sales and brought to California to race where he had thirteen runners in California nine winners four states when including graded winters like Bo recall right well Latour surprenant slot now has had a renaissance. He's got a second chance he's GONNA reverse shuttle from Australia now where he was sold from Europe to California in two thousand twenty because that's success in California alone and suddenly <hes> you know another horse find <hes> new life so this is the game where you never know what's GonNa Happen in a lot of times <hes> the people have to give up because it's a hugely commercial marketplace import forced to give up on horses when they might have wanted to stay the course a little longer but they get punished commercially. That's what happened with New Year's Day <hes> and you know <hes> he was sold off and silent the main case <hes> Adena springs is as stayed with that ores and he continues to get runners and Syrup rant slots case you know he was jettisoned to the Southern Hemisphere destination and now a reverse shuttle is in the offing for him amazing and we did this week. Speaking of the shuttling we did see that the triple crown pair made their made their journey down in <hes> to Australia yeah. That's that's pretty big key triple crown winners. I mean you know that's GonNa be interesting to see how Australia reacted these horses because even though it's the home of Melbourne Cup major staying race <hes> bread-and-butter racing in Australia are two year old sprints and sprinting in general and <hes> so it's going to be really interesting to see <hes> how <hes> triple crown wears are are going to be <hes> included in in this racing environment you unbridled song. <hes> was a horse that were sent to Australia on the shuttle and just bombed down there too big. I would assume <hes> not early enough to them. <hes> not neat enough physically just to again you know on those tracks. <hes> some horses have have not adapted like for example. The Dani tribe has to it through <hes> Danehill so it's going to be very interesting. Those horses do adapt justify especially being such a big physical specimen so I I am a little I'm a little not not miffed isn't troubled always when when when these horses when they get sent over it. It seems like a you know. It's is an added stress. You and I've talked about this. I've discussed it with Dr all day over the years right. You know you just hold your breath and and I mean obviously American Pharaoh is it you know it's like it's like traveling with a Collie but AH justify doesn't have exactly the same temperament that American Pharaoh does you know speaking of which after the breeding season was ending and you were seeing a lot of people visiting Ashford and going on tours and it is it is not just showing how not normal American Pharaoh is typically when stallions start to get into their career era of servicing mares their their whole makeup. I mean if they were aggressive to begin with. They're only going to get more aggressive and after the horse like him I was very curious wants his stallion alien career if he would become you know a little a little less easy to be around and he has he has not at all he he's out there standing posing canoed alling with people. It's unbelievable well isn't he. It's amazing rear. He seems also which is amazing <hes> which we pointed out you know this is a horse from a line of the unbreakable line that has historically been dirt you know and particularly in Europe the line is not Austin well there but so far the American Pharaohs of all went on Church <hes> so he seems the generosity of his his spirit <hes> and the generosity that he's exhibited on the race track transgendered to the his offspring and they're acting on all surfaces. There's certain actually on turf and that's one thing that you know cool more bet on heavily with this worse. If this horse would against the grain of the unbreakable line <hes> do well in Europe and <hes> you know Lo and behold his dirk maiden special winner from acqueduct four and a half furlongs to France and I believe even on softer wins the group race just shows you. <hes> you know that American Farrell apparently you know early signs do you were just incredible really incredible. <hes> it's always fascinating the track this and for those of you that are are getting ready. <hes> you know now that you're you're babies are weaned leaned and you've got an idea of what you've got. <hes> you should be in touch with said at work thoroughbred consultants five one Oh four nine oh eleven eleven for those of you that are going to be looking at the yearling market and picking out horses to talk to Sid as this season starts to get serious over the next eight weeks and of course for those of you that bobby good time said to also remind everybody for those that are going to have a new stallion alien standing a great idea. Thank you very much yeah weaned enroll the horse in <hes> eating because what's that allowed is in a lounge everybody that acts as nixed for that horse can freak take for example here stallion owner and you pay the fee on you enroll your horse and Cenex then all breeder from around the globe can get on our website but they're marrying and get a free Nick <hes> so something we always make sure to get value owners to do <hes> a which has been rolled their stallions. That's the board now and that way when everybody goes and AH looking at Knicks and trying to figure out what's next you're stallion is represented and of course if you're a regional farm and you know you're you're putting together your plans and it's hard to believe I mean once we get past July first. I <hes> it's all downhill from here. <hes> five five one zero four nine eleven eleven sit Fernando and the team at work thoroughbred consulted say I appreciate it. 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TimeformUS Pacecast- Episode 58 - April 14, 2020

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TimeformUS Pacecast- Episode 58 - April 14, 2020

"Hi everyone welcome to the April fourteenth addition of the time formed West Pace cast on. David Aragon and I'll be joined Mary. Shortly by my co host. Cracknell cow skiing on the podcast. Look we don't have a ton of racing recap but we do have some interesting states that Scott from Oakland parks card on Saturday with all of those as well as maiden breaker that One on that card as well as an allowance rates earlier in the week. Hamilton's things up at Gulfstream Park No snakes there. This weekend they ran a couple of interesting often claiming allowance races and another gate rates. That we'll talk about at the end of the show. Craig was nice to have some top level racing weekend because we talked about at the time forecast. Last week he's oaklawn stakes. They came up pretty deep competitive as I think they played out that way of insured did I. I think we've got a really good performance from yoke one on mile from both the winter and also improbable You know some other than there actually ran wealth but those are two really good older horses and then we had the huge upset in the oak on steaks. I do think that was a bit of a pace meltdown. But we'll talk more about that when we get to that race Let's start with that Oakland mile which was just a good strong efforts from Tom's they tie in his comeback race. He did it well. And honestly I think improbable ran the better race. Given the trip that he had from his outside post he also a lot of ground though. Both earns presswood was a really solid piece and he actually wound up with a better figure in here. A one twenty four on the time form. Us scale compared to a one twenty three for the winner so good strong efforts in you know. It's hard to say what the future holds an where these two are going to go. But they're they're going to be tough wherever they show up yet for sure. Tom's todd just seems like the kind of horse that's really coming into his own. He's now a seven year old. Who Barely got to see these older horses racing until they're seven years old but you can see that he's definitely at his peak now. Each horse that's been capable of achieving top speed figures for a long time. I think he ran numbers. I WANNA say approaching one thirty going back to his four year old season but he hasn't always been this consistent. It seems like he's putting forth these top efforts every time they send him out these days. He's gained a lot more versatility as he's gotten older he couldn't always come from his far back off the pace as he was in this race but he was able to adapt his running style to the faster pace. You're going the shorter mile distance and that just really made them tough to beat Joel Rosario Road and with a ton of confidence he really never asked this to run. Just kind of Gently hadn't wrote him through the stretch to get by improbable And did it pretty easily. So it's going to be interesting to see where he goes from here We should mention the track. Came Up. Rated it wet fast for this race. I don't think it really affected any of the top performers because they can all handle what tracks fine But it was different from the fasttrack that we saw early in the day at Oaklawn Park so the track definitely changed towards the end of the day I agree with everything. Said about improbable. You could make the case that he did run the best race even though toms data one in hand improper bolted so much more work. Chasing the pay's going wide around both turns The pace did fall apart in this race. I know a pioneer spirit was the best Aside from improbable those pays or said he finished a good six and a half lengths behind improbable as the top two has really dominated here. I hope they keep these. One Mile Race is moving forward because I really think that's his specialty. Yeah I would agree with that I. He's definitely not a mile and a quarter horse. Maybe he could get a mile and an eighth under the right circumstances but but I think this is right in his wheelhouse. I do still have some concern. T was a bit lucky that he was logan that he had some issues negate. He did break well but you know if he rolls inside post and starts acting up. He's got to wait for seven. Eight ten other horses the load. I think it could still be issue with him and you know again bank it. We've talked about him. Many Times. Seems like he runs a lot. he's a horseshoe just he's just a solid. It can be. We both agree. He probably wants one turn. This is priced just a little bit too far for him But you know is the right distance. He just ran up against a group of better horses here. I've got a question for you. I'm going to put you on the spot here. I've noticed. Now they have those Chiklis along the bottom of the screen at oaklawn. I don't recall them. Having track is there or is that something new or is that something akin to track as you know it is. It's actually the new. Gps system. I forget the brand name That that they have went with Equa bases contract with them. They're actually the official timer at a Lotta tracks and if you actually check the charts on the Oakland site now you will see you can get the standard charts but you can also get these new. Gps Charts and there's a lot of really good info on. They're a tweeted about it if people haven't seen it You can find things ground loss. You can find things like times for each individual horse every half furlong through the race you can find things like strides the horses are taken the stride length they have. So there's a I haven't had a chance to dig through all of it yet but there is some really good info in there. I actually did learn something new from Looking through those charts and I consulted with the guys at Equa base were really helpful They actually measure the distances from three feet off the rail. My question was why were some of the horses coming up having run less distance than the actual distance of a segment or even the whole race. I think Bank it might have been one of those who actually was listed as running less than a mile and a mile race and like I said it turns out. They measure three feet from rail to to establish that mile distance and time so a horse who stays right on the rail for most of the for all of the turns is actually running less than that full mile distance. That's interesting it's something I meant to check on when I was watching these races and I just just kind of slipped my mind until we were talking about right now so I wanted to get your take on that because I figured you'd note was up with that let's move onto the OAKLAWN stakes next. That was that race for the three year olds going mile and an eighth later in the day at Oaklawn Park on Saturday and as you said at the top this one produced a bit of an upset as Mr Big news got the job done forty six to one a pretty big price on this horse. you definitely benefited from a fast paced here because they were really motoring into that clubhouse turn the first time around and it just completely fell apart. Upfront Front. The winner came from eleven thoroughly Farmington road. The runner-up came from last thirteenth may finished one two in this race. And I do think this is one where you might want to upgrade the horses that close to that as a little bit. Yeah I think you can. It's a race where we have all the fractions read. Of course I think the opening half mile was a one fifty on the time for. Us scale. I don't have it in front of me because the leader at the time. Drop so far back. I didn't scroll down enough when I printed out the chart for this one but it is also interesting that at the horses who were up close to that piece were beaten so bad that none of the horses actually got figures are usually with our figures. You'll see some of the peace sources get better figures in the horses above them but at the top of the chart the top four. It just goes right down the line. Mr Big news got a one twelve Farmington road a one eleven and second. Tashaun one ten so really. None of the speed horses ran well enough to to get that. Big Bump in the figures I did see some talk that it was kind of interesting that the horses coming out of what? We're JIM reconsidered week. Races and Louisiana ran one too but personally I think it's more of a case of circumstances than it is at those rates. Were anything better than than what we initially thought. I think these sources just got a really good setup Watching the replay. I think forming them road probably would have won the rates. It'd be could've run straight but that that is part of racing and he wasn't quite professional enough to get up there yet. Both of these horses were moving up. Pretty quickly off their maiden victories. I think Farmington road just broke his maiden three back in the same for mister big news. I believe because I think they're each making their stakes debuts in that in that risen star that both of these exiting. And I think what you said is a good point because obviously wells by you got some accolades coming out of that. Risen Star for winning the Louisiana Derby. But I think there is some question about how strong that Louisiana Derby was questions about. How strong this Oaklawn steaks was. Because it's not like the speed figure distinguishes. These horses as among the top. Three year olds quite the opposite. Actually this is one of the slower preps that we've seen calling this a proud. Prep for them. The Arkansas Derby but the top two they ran fide the horse that I really want to mention though is basin because I know basement was a horse that both of US light coming into the race and he really will two things were going on. He was the one that was closest to the pace that was still around at the finish and also he just was in the worst spot coming around the far. Turn what you don't want to have happen in a race where there are long shots upfront. Going too fast in a situation where you know the pace is going to. Collapse is get caught directly behind those horses when they fade. And that's what happened to launch aroo. Who was on Basin? You could see exiting the backstretch. She was kind of looking around because he knew the made the wrong choice to stay inside at that point rather than going outside as tie. Sean did Taishan if you watch. Those two horses racing in tandem on the far turn he picks good four lengths on basin as baseness test to continually steady and traffic and lose momentum and all things considered. I don't think it's going out on too much of a limb to say the base and probably should have won this race given the way that he battled back in the stretch. Yeah he's the one I would want out of this race. I completely agree with which has said about the trip. He's GonNa I'm really hoping they run them in the Arkansas Derby. Obviously he would have to get a lot better to beat some of the horses that are supposedly shipping in for that race. But you know he's GonNa be third off the layoff he's improving e- set a couple trough trips the first time out and he he's going to get over. What mix timeout just because some star power? We're GONNA have again assuming he shows up in the Arkansas Derby here in about three weeks. I guess it is but only other thing I have. I mean the less. It definitely wasn't the strong three year. Old raeside edgy. Said that most of the top horses there are skipping to our. Show up in that Arkansas Derby which has a much bigger piece. I think the top couple in here at least maybe the top three or guaranteed a spot in the Arkansas Derby. But it's going to be some race but for comparison sake there. There's an allowance reserve your on the car. We're going to talk about next where the winner got a better figure than any of the top horses in here and in fact the top two did yeah. Let's go right into that race. It was the fourth race on that Saturday card. It was a one mile allowance race nominators of one and a couple of horses. Coming OFF MAIDEN WINS. Battled it out. shooter shoot and blackberry wine. Now shooters shoot is on the head across the wire. I once prior to this blackberry wine across the wire I three times prior to this but he was obviously disqualified out of two of those victories. So he just was coming onto the maiden stash away win prior to this On March fourteenth. But they put on quite a show here They went quickly early. They really spattered up through the interior fractions. Coming around the far turn opened up a wide margin on the rest of the field and shooter shoot was able to turn back back. Blackberry wine at the end of this race was exciting race. I both the top two got one sixteen time for. Us aid figures which is was better than what we saw in the Oakland stakes It was a virtual mattress. Nobody else was ever really in contention and Easter just threw it down is a good effort from both of them. In shooter. Shoot really has flattered the form of the BAFFERT whose name I'm forgetting right. Now who read seconds short it? Yeah he he was Charlotte dusted source pretty easily and he's come back with two strong winds since. Oh really interesting and I suspect we may see both of these two in the Arkansas Derby as well. Yeah I think there's still some questions about how far shooter shoot really wants to go. He's a sign of competitive edge and his female family can kind of go either way. It's more of a mile or type of family But maybe he gets the mile and an eighth. He certainly running fast enough speed. Figures suggest that he deserves a shot at this race. I know some people were surprised. That blackberry wind was not in the Oakland steaks and instead took a shot at this nominee. There's one allowance race because blackberry wine. His maiden victory around faster than most of the horses that were running in the stakes race later on the card and I guess it's no surprise given that that both of these horses ran faster. That mistakes It's interesting that they actually both regressed on. This beat figure scale here because they had run so quickly in their maiden victories of third just among the fastest three roads. That are out there right now. And it's not going to be a major shock if the able to step up against the company next time you have a real shock for me in here was scabbard. How in the world was this source? Three to one with the form he came in with. I know we've been running in stakes races. And he still has that second. The dentist is moment. Pp's but this is one whereas a better. I think you really WanNa look to take advantage of. These wasn't the favourite. But if you eliminate a horse like three to one at Scabbard Bike you had on Scabbard It definitely creates value on the others in the field. Virtually I call a horse like in the takeout eliminator and you get these kind often with these. Three year olds at that. They'd allow earlier in their career and kind of fall off the map so to something far listeners. The lookout for where you know you get these sources reputations at simply aren't running that way anymore. Scabbard was actually the morning line favorite in this race and as a morning winemaker myself. I kind of killing me to see all these braces with questionable lines that we have to handicap over these past couple of weeks. But that's the way it is some racetracks and I agree with what you said about scabbard. It's just he's just gone the wrong way. And maybe turning him back and distance will help but he's just not the same horse that we saw last year. Let's talk about some other non stakes races from that oaklawn Saturday card. There is a maiden race. It actually was run right after this allowance race. We just talked about Going six furlongs for the three year old fillies and the first time starter for steed asks in casual won this race. She is by curling. She's a daughter of bad grade. One winner for Steve Asked Lady Tack. She won the great one test as well as some other race is going a variety of distances and this one really did it the right way her first start. She sure did she. She was a little cold on the board. I thought she wound up going off nine To him what wasn't a very strong field so I was a bit surprised. At how well she ran to be honest. You got a one. Oh wait time for. Us speed figure for the win It was not a fast race. The runner ups over Bella got a one. Oh seven than there was a gap back the cynical girl a horse. We've talked about a couple of times. She was second the edge way in her impressive meeting win. First time out but this was a good effort I I do WanNa pump the brakes. I've seen a lot of hype. People telling US oh. This is an OAK source. And you know it's still way too early for that. This was a six furlong race against questionable competition. But she certainly did everything the right way and looked like a promising philly. Yeah for sure I mean I like that. She broke civil alertly. She really would professional coming out of the starting gate. But after that Ricardo Santana range Iran and she rated very kindly on the inside and I like the way that she came through traffic and the stretch. It's not like she had trouble But she had to alter course a couple of times come inside of the runner up at the end of the race which is not always easy for a first time started to do and she just hasn't like she had done it all before. So what you like to see. How far shielded really wants to go. I think remains to be seen. She's got one of those funny pedigrees where it's all stamped on the top and the speed of her down on the bottom so we'll see which ones you're typically takes after the ability is definitely there and I do want to mention this was the rates that there were a bunch of six-furlong. I think four six furlong races on the card. They all occurred before the rain came. So this was a real easy figure to make. This was shaping up to be a figure makers dream as there were so many good horses running similar distances all the races on the dirt but then the rain came before race. Eight or actually doering race eight and kind of change things a bit but as far as this race goes. I think the figures rock-solid she definitely ran a really good rates before we move away from Oklahoma. It's talk about one more race. Actually from their Friday card it was the Ninth Race and other allowance. Race going six furlongs. This one earned a respectable speaker as the winner. Absolutely aiden caused a minor upset. I think he was thirteen to one. In this race. Looked like a race that had a ton of speed on paper. But this horse just got loose from the inside. Turn back some challenges and Rent a pretty fast time. In the end he beat a good horse in candy. Cornell not really sure where this performance came from for the winner but it was nice effort. It was He wound up with one eighteen time for. Us speed faker. He actually came in with the second highest last race figure in the race just behind. Candy Cornell Horse we have talked to. We talked about his last win. I believe when he got a one eighteen. But you know absolutely aiden he he made the League kindy Cornell was right alongside of them but they weren't going particularly fast Efrat. Fractions aren't blue or red for us. It was basically the same as the speed figure in the end and he just ran away from him in the stretch. So I'm not sure where it came from his previous career best at been one eleven but he was only claimed I think three starts ago and maybe the new connections at had figured something out 'cause he looked like a potential stake source with this win. Yeah remember him for. Money was a two year old because he had won a loaded maiden race for the two year olds at Saratoga. Going back to the summer of two thousand eighteen. I think he won a six furlong race. I want to say beating like wild Medaglia. D'oro and a really maximus that highly touted Chad Brown at the time and he just never really stepped it. Up after that for Steve Asmussen. But maybe it's finally put it all together now as a four year old because at one time he had some promise. So we'll see they can back this up and his subsequent starts. I'm curious Nichols really anyway. We we talked about him a couple of months ago when the pace gassed he ran a really good race. But we haven't seen him since so I'm still keeping an eye out for him. Yeah he's a horse. I kind of forgot about it. Wasn't he first off? Trainer change to was at Brad Cox. I want to say I know he had was. He moved to Steve Ashton. Yeah he was moved from Chad. Brown to Steve Asmussen and he wants so impressively at the fairgrounds around the time that By my standards did but we didn't see him shop in any of the stakes so I wonder what happened to him. Hopefully he's okay. Mom to Gulfstream Park. Where as I said there were no stakes races? But we've got a couple of allowance races in one maiden race. The disgust will begin with an allowance from the Thursday card Going a mile sixteenth on the dirt and no surprise. The Todd pletcher won this race but maybe a bit of surprise that he did it with his other horse as blew. It got to the front end. Cleared the speed under a hustling tyler. Gaffe Leeann was just able to put away Moretti who could never really get close as the favourite. Yeah he got a one twenty time form. Usb figure for the rates which is his career-best blue. It's always a horse. Who said promise at? I think he won with a big figure. First Time out and he's pretty much been fast this whole career until his last couple races he had come off layoff in hadn't run particularly well So this kind of came out of nowhere you know. After two bad efforts I think it was the third start off the way off. I will caution though that we do have this race. Coated in red is attract. That was highly speed. Favoring I went back watch the reprieve. Replace that the charts. I there weren't a lot of dirt races. I think there were only four on the card. Which is about the norm for Gulfstream? These days but it did seem like a track that was very hard to make up any ground so maybe already had a bit of an excuse and blue to just took advantage of the circumstances I think not that it was a bad effort That that kind of the bias does get built into the figure a little bit so i WanNa take away from a too much but I do think the track play depart. I wasn't sure about that There were ten races on this day. Only four of them were on the dirt. I thought the results in the other three were just highly logical. Actually one of the speeds got run down at a short price I guess this is the race. That must've tipped the scales because this is the one that featured an exaggerated performance by a horse. That was not the favorite. So I don't WanNa put too much stock in natural given the fact that the evidence is so limited on this day And personally I kind of liked blue in this spot. Because I bought that. He was a horse that hadn't had the best trips in his cook. Last couple of starts in two thousand twenty Certainly not last time when they ran a mile and he just got continually shuffled back. All the way down the backstretch after not the greatest starts And I think getting back to the two turns really did the trick for him because he's a horse that seems to just get into one of those rhythms when he can be on the front end keep going. We saw even go as far as a mile on eighth Acqueduct a number of years ago. doing that with some respectable speak figures so hopefully dot can keep going now. He is in New York bread so when they begin raising get a New York. I think they'll have plenty of options with where to run this horse potential even in stakes races long. He can keep them in top form. But I thought this was a pretty good effort by horse. Was You said shown ability in the past like with our figures I have it set up. I try not to over even if it was the speed bias. The figure is usually pretty indicative if anything the other horses. Oh get penalized a little bit. You know not look as good as they probably ran on the speed figure scale but like you said he's in New York bred There is a strong contingent of the York. Breads I. It's really amazing. As a guy that's been following this sport for such a long time to see how many really good New York breads are these days. I mean it used to be. You can count them on one hand but it just a really deep division so it won't be easy but he certainly ran fast enough to compete with some very good ones yet. It's funny that you say that because he'd actually have to run probably faster than that one time formula as speed to compete against some of the top. New York breads that we've been seeing like pat on the back and especially Mr Buff. There are some good ones out there so Blewett. If you take that step forward has got to step up his game. It's talking about another allowance. Race this one from these Saturday card and we actually handicapped this time formulas forecast last week. It was the twelfth race on Saturday. Going six furlongs and this is one where the two favorites just for complete. No show is Pacific gale who got that down to be the second choice year she finished last and JP delight who was the favorite She dueled for the lead but was done pretty early on the far turn and Princess Causeway gotTa Pay Setup that she needed It's not a red color coded pace in the time from us. Pcs But there were definitely moving up front and she was just able to run them all down the stretch. Yeah I thought it was an impressive effort by her. She got a one fourteen time form. Usb figure on the runner up five times actually got a one sixteen so it was a pretty strong race for the class It was a good return for her. As a four year old way she hadn't been seen since the fall city in looks like a horse who probably the one turn is right up her alley. I as in her first race as a four year old she ran a career best. Which is what you want to see in just looks like a horse who the one turn mile is going to be perfect for her. The seven furlongs. It should be just fine as well. Six might even be a little bit too short for her but she was able to handle it against this group. As far as specific gale goes She was just horrible. I want to say I'm not a guy to listen to the trainers very much. But they did have John Kim Mohan before the race on the The National Broadcast and I just Kinda got the feeling. She was a really cranked up by for this effort which is generally his Mo we did mention it on the forecast so sometimes trainers Kinda. Give their you know. Give you a towel if you watch him and I thought he definitely did on Saturday in a Horse. I actually liked the paper. I didn't like at all after losing his comment so that does happen from time to time. Yeah I agree with you that Princess Causeway. She's a horse who hadn't had that many opportunities to sprint in the past and then we talked about this a little bit last week that maybe the six furlongs was too short for her but also maybe she's just a horse that targeted at the wrong racist because they had run her to turns so many times but her best effort prior to this was arguably that seven furlongs victory back in November Churchill. Downs in she ran a similar kind of race here. She came from a little farther back in the pack but she got more pace to close in do and she got done. The one fourteen time formula speed figure. It's probably not graded stakes level. I don't know how strong this field is ultimately going to turn out to be because those two favorites they just didn't show up and it became easier race after that but I think they definitely found her niche as a sprinter at this point and with Pacific Gail. Yeah I agree There's there's not been cranked up. And then there's not being the same horse and she was not the same horse in this race. I mean she ran them poor efforts last year but she was still hurting speakers that were significantly higher amiss. So not the kind of return you WANNA see for her I. I won't be surprised if we don't see her very much more of her in the future because she achieved some black type and got some graded stakes placings. I won't be surprised if it's off to the breeding shed for pretty soon. You're definitely right. She was terrible. I was probably a little too nice on that when she she was not good. Leave it at that. Let's close things out with another race. From Gulfstream Park. This was a maiden event going a mile for a three year olds and up and I think the only four year old in this field actually was the worst across the wire first per capita and he was justifiably the short the favorite in this race he was a horse that had some superior speed figures for Chad Brown coming off a long layoff but the first time starter Colonel Liam for Todd. Pletcher rented pretty game race He carved out some legitimate fractions. And these two really threw it down the stretch and there was some interference in the late stages and I think this is one of these disqualifications that very few people disagreed with. Yeah I would agree with that. This this is where I have trouble with with the people with the category. One and category two Watson the race. I don't think there was any way per capita was ever getting past late. But he definitely fouled Colonel William so personally I agree in the situation that did it should be but it's just a gray area for me in a can be frustrating I I thought he was the best. Worsen you know he just unfortunately He drifted in and fouled. He got a crack with the right handed. Whip which didn't help either in my opinion and you know I think it was the right call at both. The top two got one. Oh five time form. Us figures that's more impressive coming from Colonel Liam especially given the head the Czech elite being that he's a three year old and was first time out. I was a little surprised for a horse. They paid a lot of money for he was pretty dead on the board at four to one compared to per capita is three too but I thought he ran at look very good so he is a horse that shows some promise properly. Burke is made next time at two to five or something like that and we'll see where it goes from. Mary definitely needs to improve some the become mistake source. But as of lately ray source said apparently got a late start He certainly showed ability. Here yeah I mean I know. We sometimes have a difference of opinion about these disqualifications. I'm more of a category one kind of guy this one right. I don't think it matters which set of rules you're using because they were only two horses involved in under either system. The real question is could currently have come back on per capita and as you said. Maybe it's unlikely I would say it's unclear because per capita definitely was hanging in the late stages and that's why Tyler Gavaglio was just all over him with the whip to try to get him to defin- off the race and you ended up going to the right handed stick and I think that caused them to drift in at the end. But I don't think it's clear that currently wasn't gonNA come back on this because one that fouling occurred. I mean he was only about a half length behind and per capita was definitely Not wanting to finish off the race so I don't think it's clear that currently Was Not going to win this race If they had kept straight courses But I agree with what you said regardless of all the bumping currently and probably ran the best race because he was up close to that pretty quick pace and I liked the way he finished it off. He's one of these horses when Todd pletcher debuts them going a mile and often means that they ultimately wanna go farther than this and he didn't seem like oars that had shown a lot of speed in the mornings. He's one of these big striding grinding type of horses. He's definitely bread to go longer. Being by lambs. Map is second dam. Is that great her philly for Jimmy. Toner wonder again so we'll see if even a surface which is in the cards for this works in the future but he definitely handled the dirt. First time out. Yeah that's fair. Which is that I mean I guess there is certainly a chance he could have come back. I just think it was unlikely but it's certainly possible but again like I said of the two. He's the one you want to follow. As the lightly raced three year old per capita was. Okay up yeah I said Colonel William will come back break. It's made obviously already did break. His maiden in here but he'll show up in an allowance rate saying get bad so it just curious to see who he shows up again and if he makes that step forward. Let's all the race and we're going to recap this week With just oaklawn and Gulfstream Parker and action at the moment although the only two major tracks and action. We'll continue on the schedule as usual for this upcoming week. I think we'll do the time for. Us forecast on Thursday. Or Friday will work the opposite when we're going to record that but whether stakes racing or not will find them interesting races the talk about and it shouldn't be too hard because the cards are putting together. A Gulfstream and Oaklawn have been excellent even on those non stakes day. So I think we'll be able to find stuff to talk about later in the week as always you can listen to us on dear. F. Dot Com spotify tunes Youtube and Soundcloud resveratrol podcast. Just make sure to subscribe to the daily Racing Form Channel. Thanks for listening this weekend. We'll talk to you again on Thursday or Friday. We'll let you know.

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The Matt Bernier Show - Recap Edition - June 24, 2019

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The Matt Bernier Show - Recap Edition - June 24, 2019

"Blue. Going. I welcome into map Vernier show on TV. My name is Matt Bernier. You can follow me on Twitter at Bernier underscore, Matt. This is the recap addition gonna go back, take a look at a couple of graded stakes races from this past weekend. The weekend of June. The twenty second we'll kick things off with the Ohio derby from Thistle down. We'll take a look at the lone great one of the weekend, the United Nations from Monmouth park Nimal rip through bit of a steak montage. Keep this, this recap addition, relatively tight. I don't wanna go to too long in many of these because I don't know how much there is to really dissect about these races. But we will go through those two big races. And go on from there as always wrap up with the weekends best as far as buyers concern. How are we listen to this thing? Thank you for doing so YouTube sound cloud. I tunes video dot the dot coms. All Spotify a, however you listen, please rate review and subscribe questions, comments concerns beneath the video player on YouTube or directly to me on Twitter at Bernier underscore, Matt, as I said in last week's preview pod. Please I would like. Questions comments anything, it doesn't matter, if it's these races more broad topics, whatever it may be. Let me know because this coming week in the preview pot, at, like the be more of a little bit of a Q in a hearing, some of the things that you guys agreed disagree with just thoughts in general, and I'll go through and cherry pick certain things and touch on certain instances, this probably would be a better time to assess the whole Santa, Anita thing, and everything that went on Jerry Holland, or for, I'm gonna wait and do that. And the preview pot. Just because again this week leading up if you didn't listen to the preview, pod, I'm rolling solo all week. So there will be no Illman or beer, so he's going to be a number of things. I don't want to just keep rehashing the same things in the preview pie that I'm going to go over with out of the gate and all the six preview. So figured this is a good week for a little bit of viewer listener sort of interaction. And again, one of the questions I had been the YouTube player from the preview pod was related to Santa Anita. Now that, that meeting is closed. And the whole Holland or for bombshell, that whole thing I feel like Thursday's pod is probably a good time to touch on that not here in the recap show. So I'll go over that. And please anything else that you have doesn't matter what it is not saying, I'm going to answer all of them rose s all of them, but just fire away. You know, the drill either on Twitter to me at Bernier underscore or beneath the YouTube, Blair. Let's get right into it both I start off with the three year old race. The big marquee three-year-old race of the weekend. The great three Ohio, derby second look at the field, only six of unfortunately, with scratch of global campaign left Owen, Dale for Brad, Cox prohibitive favorite for flora, jerus- with the mount here. Alternately went off at odds of three to five thing. He had to work a little bit harder than maybe you would have expected three to five shot, too. But that doesn't mean that he didn't run. Well think that's more a credit to the runner up sick, look at the stretch run of the Ohio derby, it's math. Oh, what's her in front? Owen del gets a dream trip through on the inside long-range Taty outside bath wizard one for long ago. Oh, Owen Dell right alongside on the rail. Math wizard outside two now in the derby. Oh and L inside math wizard outside, oh, and takes the lead and a wins the oil derby game effort from math wizard. Long-range toddy was third and Bethlehem road. Finished fourth. Owen? Dale gets the job done again at odds of three to five is your overwhelming, favourite, only a half length, though. Math wizard runs a giant race at odds of five to one. And he looked like a legitimate racehorse doing this horse. They continues to improve. Maybe when you want to keep an eye on going forward. Long-range toddy a long way back finishing in third. Odds of two to one. Is your second choice? More than ten links behind the top two. Finishers sick. Look at a little bit more for of ten lifetime seven times in the money from ten lifetime starts over six hundred sixty thousand dollars in career earnings owned by Rupp racing trained by Brad, Cox bread by Stonestreet, thoroughbred holdings, LLC in Kentucky rid victory by flora, giroux. You'd see the pedigree at the bottom of the horse card. He is by intimacy, if and a Bernardini MIR named Aspen, light. The figures came back strong for this race. Ninety nine Beyer speed figure own Dale one fourteen pace adjusted and non pace adjusted time formula's ratings really big figures, no matter how you wanna chop it up a little bit of an interesting dynamic when you look. I can see how this race was run and how time for US assess some of the pay situations, the three quarters and the mile call were both color coded blue. But when you take a look at the chart you see that the top two finishers came from last and second to last throughout the first half of the race. And I think a lot of that had to do with the early fractions maybe took their toll. So maybe those, those middle to late fractions. They may have been on the slow side, it's time for US stating but I think the damage was done in the early portion of the race where you had horses like dare day in Bethlehem road and going for gold out there and long, range toddy was relatively close about four five pads out in the clear, the twenty two in three forty seven three say what you will about forty seven and three for a half not blistering. But after a twenty two and a piece opening quarter think you're gonna start to feel the effects of that. And keep in mind, a lot of those horses stretch out sprinters. So I wonder if things did sort of play into the advantage of horse like Owen Dale, as well as math wizard, but you can't take anything away from the way. They ran. I like both of them moved in this spot. Math wizard ninety buyer and one twenty two time a pace adjusted time form US rating one Twenty-three raw. These were two big efforts from these two horses now Owen Dale, perhaps, you wanna look at it and say, okay, we'll comes from a little bit more high profile connections, not that saffy Joseph junior is not a good trainer. We know him predominantly from south Florida Gulfstream Park. Those sort of situations now looks like they've got a nice three year old on their hands. If he continues to improve this way, maybe even comes a player in these these races over the summer, but I think that for me is really the takeaway from this race. I said leading into the Ohio derby said it talking about the Breeders Cup Classic top ten ranking that I do every week in that. There's a poll that number of people are pulled on these three roads, just feels like it's a very muddy picture. And sure this is a relatively formal result. And maybe this is going to be the beginning of something for oh and deal, maybe he's going to be the whole. That sort of, you know, I don't wanna say takes control. But, but at least, you know you can count on to show up with his effort because really with the exception that one race down at the fairgrounds. He hasn't done anything wrong. He went out there. Very impressive in Lexington ran a really nice race in the Preakness comes back your wins this race. You would imagine based on the timing. You're going to be looking at possibly Saratoga campaign. I suppose you could try the Haskell be very interested to see how much time they wanna give him. Because again, those dates those races are going to be pretty nice about four to five week stretch between the Ohio derby, those two races so fascinated see where Cox decided to go with this horse the distance, you know, whenever I see intimacy, if I don't know that I love the idea of going much much longer, but he ran find it a mile and three sixteenths. I don't see why he wouldn't run. Well, certainly he'll run find at a mile and we know that maybe he'll run find at a mile and a quarter as well. If you think Travers down the road or. Or keep in mind, too. We're at a point in time, where I think it's going to be very interesting as more and more time goes by, we've already seen the effective. But with the Pennsylvania derby being great one it's restricted to three year olds and it's nine furlongs. I do think you're going to get those connections as prestigious races. The Travers, you're going to get some of those really nice horses that if the connections are not sold on ten furlongs for them. They'll just sit it out. I think and wait one more month. You know, it's, it's an instance where is it ideal to have two months leading into your next race? No. But at the same time, I think if there's real distance concerns for some of these horses, and these connections, there, probably better off waiting, look to both of them are seven figure purses, and they're both grade ones, and maybe you'll see some of these connections, I'm not suggesting that's going to happen here with any of these. But I think you're going to get to a point where you know what the Travers is much as I love as much as we all love it. Maybe connections. Look at it and say maybe we'll be better off running in a race. Vania derby at nine for a long before we have to stretch them back out if we're thinking bigger down the road. The Breeders Cup Classic so good effort from own Dale followed math wizard, who was the first one to make that real move. But again, I feel like they both took advantage, perhaps of the circumstances owned L finishes in twelve o to math wizard and twelve thirteen long way back to long range Taty. He was wide. But I thought this is a little bit of a flat effort from him. And those last three horses, they were all sort of Overmach coming into Bethlehem road was mildly intriguing sort of the fresh face, but he was relatively close to that pace and he paid the price. So he formed full result for the most part at this'll down on Saturday afternoon. It'll be very interesting to see where we go forward with horse like Owen deal with a horse like math math wizard as well as long range Taty, because I don't wanna totally give up on this just yet, you know, on his best day he can fire a big shot. So we'll see where all of these horses end up going when forward, but we do know right now Owen Dale another graded stakes win. Maybe he is coming into his own for Brad Cox, and maybe he is going to be. Interesting, sort of I don't want to call him a fresh face because he's already running triple crown race. But maybe he'll be that, that newer face that may be a little bit more late developing horse that will take over as we go through the summer races. Big numbers Owen del ninety nine buyer one twenty four time. Former us rating winning this year's allow derby the loan grade, one of the weekend. The United Nations down. Monmouth park, mile and three eighths on grass Sehgal the field eight of them signed on post time. Favorite was channel cat for Todd Pletcher but down odds of nine to five. This is a nice horse. He is a lightly raced four year old, he did some good things as three year old but he always felt like one that wanted more ground. Just stay any distance that you threw it him. The, the question really always boil them to talent was quite as good as some of those other horses that could stay just as well as he could erase like this, though. He stacked quite favorably, and that's, including Chad Brown. Having a horse, including Bill Maher having horse including my maker having to horses in here. None of them got the money, the big money went to Jim. Toner. Here's the stretch run with hundred Riley process the track as they come into the stretch just behind them trying to get going catch. Diane hunter O'Reilly bigger picture, let loose on the outside, as Zulu alpha hits the front channel cat on the outside. Here's hunter O'Reilly down the center, the track, Zulu alpha Hutto, rally channel Cavs Zulu alpha, tro, rally, reaching on the outside. Here's the wire hunter rally and Paco got up to win the United Nations, Zillow under O'Reilly gets the job done it out to fourteen to one with pot. Go aboard finishing second Zulu alpha one of two in here for Mike maker rounding try to is the beaten favourite channel cat now. It's nine to five with sake. Look at hunter O Reilly five of twenty two lifetime seven other times six times in the money over six hundred twenty thousand dollars in career earnings owned by Sean Shay, and Michael j Ryan trained by Jimmy toner bread by Mike, g Rutherford in Kentucky individually Bipasha Lopez the pedigree about on the horse card. He's by his wonderful elevate, Bernardini mayor named oblige. Ninety nine Beyer speed figures free to the top two finishers here onto O'Reilly and Zulu alpha from time form US perspective, a one twenty three pace adjusted for hunter O'Reilly one twenty raw one Twenty-one pace adjusted Zulu alpha and channel cat. One twenty raw for Zulu alpha one nineteen raw channel cat looked all around nice effort from hunter O'Reilly seemed like look, this is the kind of horse that he did some good things at Saratoga last year felt like kind kinda came out of nowhere. He's always a horse that lives in that ten to fifteen to one range, and for one reason, or another. He's had a number of races that just been ten subpar recently didn't really have a ton of pace the run in this race half and fifty one three quarters and sixteen time former had the mile color-coded blue meaning of slow that was registered in forty one in two for a mile. So it's not like they were going guns blazing up front early. Although to be fair, the horse that were one two three early on. They finished six seventh and eighth and field of eight so. Do what you will. That's an instance where you as the handicapper need to decide just how much sort of the pace affected the Alta outcome. I don't think it was anything that was crazy. I think it was just a matter of perhaps the horses that were a little bit far the back having to be the classier in this field. Zulu alpha. I thought he ran nice. I thought channel cat, rare really well given how wide he was perhaps, that's the difference in here. Given the channel loses by about three quarters of a length. He's done the backside wide running the far turn he finishes in eleven sixty three Zulu alpha finishes in eleven sixty three this was a case where whoever finished fast last got the money on row. Riley comes home and eleven thirty four. He gets the job done here. You would assume he's going to go up Saratoga run a campaign similar to what we saw last year. He's going to be a giant price, again whatever race he shows up in end while this is a great one and you don't wanna take anything away from him or the connections. You can't help. But think when you see this field that, you know, focus group was here for Chad. A Roach was here for Chad Arocca. However, you'd like to pronounce that. These are the c and d strings Chad. You're gonna get Saratoga. You're gonna have the big boys that come back out. You're gonna have the bricks and mortar. You're gonna have the Robert BRUCE'S, you know, you're gonna have horses of that nature that show up. I just feel the water is going to get a hell of a lot deeper here for these horses coming out of the UN with the go to Saratoga, whether to go out to Arlington for the million anything like that. It just feels like Chad has plenty waiting for these horses. But at the end of the day nice effort from the top three horses, and look bigger picture. He tried focus group. He tried folks probably too far back. He's also that kind of horse where I do wonder is he better at even longer distances? I believe he won the Johns call last year at Saratoga mile and five eighths, and restricted stakes race. But he did well at Woodbine. Maybe you need even longer distances for focus group, which is more stare. I think that quicken and bigger picture. He's gonna show up. He'll be honest look fine effort for the year old. I don't think it was one of his better efforts, I don't think it was a. Effort either. I think you have no reason to believe that he won't continue on continue to run solid races. And he'll threaten in some of these every once in awhile, when things fall in his in his lap favor. But right now look at this race to say hunter O'Reilly tip of the cap, you got the job done. Water will get deeper. When you get Saratoga and say the same for the rest of this field channel. Maybe he's the one you wanna take out of here, given that wide trip that he encountered a grade. One winner is hunter O'Reilly ninety nine Beyer speed figure one Twenty-three pace adjusted. Time for US rating now. Let's throw it into the stakes montage for this past weekend. We'll take a look at some closing weekend stakes races from Santa Anita as well as the other graded stakes races for Monmouth, and one from north of the border up would buy. Let's get into that. The stakes montage will come back with some quick thoughts but they turn to the top of the stretch, and valedictorian takes over its valedictorian of the long, pole and flexibility, may remember charging down the outside with conquest hard, candy valedictorian and pocket of the sixty poll air front by four inflexibility, made to remember my. Sister, sledge, giving chase. But valedictorian wins the eaten town with panache one by three and a half in the end sick and very close either in flexibility, or made to remember diamond can have to reroute in the final furlong, their three legs clear, bow harbor run into love, you will taste defeat today, a funnel furlong lift ago. Managua halon, Jose Lescot. We're pulling away Managua, halo past the sixty poll diamond Qingdao harbour trying to close lay Leibman gala doing it nicely here in the Islam, Mananga, halo going on to win it by about three and a half four in the ad about harbor got up for second. Third went to diamond king. Zanotti. Two sis- Heeb is finishing with a real nice rush at them, both and cisa. He chanced his a slam digging in society Heeb is starting to inhale them on the outside avian Mesa the center Tisza slam still in front Saheeb on the wrong lead and Tisza slam gets on a length to sick and he's may says he weakening on that effort and Tisza slam gate to Wia wins. The Singspiel comfortably Amy's mazes sick simply breathless at the rail turning for home. And now all these care the coming through on the inside of it, but they MIA'S girl catchy get through there in the center. The court storm the hill comes simply breakfast with a big rally, simply breathless all these go on with it simply breathless takes solar late and centrally breathless wings The Wilshire blanket photo for second involve other red king also finishing with some interest acclimate hanging tough on the front of has three. Oscar Domingus chasing with determination, though, it's acclimate Oscar to acclimate caves, going Oscar Dominguez trying so hard acclimate. Oscar Dominquez acclimate, one wire in the San wine. Oscar Domingo's with second red king third, you're gotta water. Majestic eagle turning for home and Stati. Dresser running a big race. Law-abiding citizen trying to come back. For more sharp samurai is on the outside followed by majestic eagle sixteenth ago stars dresser, law-abiding, citizens sticks through on the inside with a good purse on the outside. Majestic eagle. Majestic eagle gets up or some quick thoughts on that sakes montage, and we'll get into the weekends best buyers of eaten Tom valedictorian to me. She she might be the most underrated Philly in training turf. Order, she just shows up and runs her heart out each and every time I love the versatility that she has a race like the eaten town. She goes up there presses the pace, if there is no. Oh pace ratio. Go to the front doesn't matter. She'll kick on with it. I just, I think she's very likable, and I do, I think she's one of the more underrated horses in training, not just Phillies mayors just in general. She shows up and run to race each and every time sometimes good enough. Sometimes it's not Philip is Lynn. No idea where the race from Managua halo game from this is a horse. That is a sort of habitual minor award winner. I believe going into the race was sixteen time second or third eleven runner, up finishes, only five wins from nearly forty starts. I thought it was difficult to make ground in that race. But you go through and you look at the chart for the day Monmouth park, it's not like it was, you know, a conveyor belt there were horses that we're making up ground just in that race itself. Didn't seem like there was a hell of a lot of running going on from the back when Halen set just off went on with it. And you know terrible leads drifting about but I mean he he still buried field. And from a number standpoint, gimmick an incredibly fast race. I don't know what you wanna do with that. I'm going to continue on with the stance of when Managua halo wins races. I will lose if I'm playing that one. The Bill TIs slam. Walk the dog in the front. And you take a look at those fractions of the opening quarter was just under twenty six seconds half mile in like fifty three something crazy like that. No pay signed on at all find vine effort. He likes would by don't want to take anything away from there. He actually won the race, sir. Saheeb is the horse that I want coming out of that race because he's the kind of horse that when you look at the dynamics away the race was run. There was no speed signed on. He is basically last coming around the far turn, and he puts in a giant giant bid flattens out understandably down the lane. Those horses in front of him. They still have something left in the tank, even how slow they went a to me in a race with more pay signed on next time sir Saheeb is one of those that may be. I'm going to be a little bit interested in. I've already put him in my DR force watch, I would suggest you do the same poor consider doing same anyway. And then we'll wrap up with three races out. It's anthony. The Wilshire simply breathless save ground tipped out. Flew home nicely. I was disappointed in the effort from all these candy, especially when you consider the way that, that trip worked out rail opens of wide to me, the old ALI'S candy kicks on through there and gets the job done. I thought it was a disappointing effort. She she hasn't been the same after this long laugh. Maybe third start off the bench will be the charm, meeting del mar will be the charm right now, though. I'm disappointed in the form. She has shown also disappointed in the form. We've seen from sharp samurai in his two starts here. He ran in the American three-horse blanket finish at the end. Majestic eagle comes fastest of all in the far outside. I don't think sharp Samrai's, the same horse as he was. Because to me, the old sharp Samarai wins that race relatively comfortably given the trip that he had. X Y Z. And he just I don't think he has that same that same kick that same finish that he has in years prior, you know looks it happens. Father time catches up to everyone some a little bit sooner than others. Sharp samurai to me. Maybe again, maybe he's another one that at some point, we'll show. Oh, that can give back to his best. But right now, I don't know that I'll be betting on it and San Juan Capistrano. I spoke about it when we did the stakes preview. It's difficult for me like guesswork in a mile and three quarters race. It's not something that we run over here that's long for European races in some instances. So going into it, you know, we'll take a shot. See what happens coming out of it. I, I rarely impressed with anything because against such an anomaly. I thought acclimate ran really really well the fractions. I don't know if they were entirely accurate another starting going down the hill. But I mean forty six and change for a half mile going mile three quarters. It seems a little far fetched. But I love the way that this horse move when, when there was a little bit of heat going into that far turn he he still had something left in the tank kicked away opened up a little bit. And that was the difference because he prevailed by three quarters of a length I thought he legitimate, fractions, whether you believe the clock at face value or not. And he still had something left that was an. Impressive effort to me, it makes me wonder you know what a mile three quarters fine. I think he could still be effective at a mile and a half. Now the water will get deeper because you'll get better quality at a mile half race. I'm not totally. I wouldn't sell this horse short that to me was very impressive effort and one that potentially could be sign of things to come. Maybe acclimates when you wanna keep an eye on in those sort of longer races out in southern California, whether it's at Delmore when they go back to Santa Anita in the fall. That's my take away from San Juan Capistrano, as well as the rest of these races here and stakes montage, go into the weekends best as far as buyers concerned on the recap addition, we'll take them right? In order the three year old males Owen Dale ninety nine in the Ohio Irby three ruled Phillies message, a ninety four and a maiden special weight at Santa, Anita three year old males on grass Halliday eighty seven and a maiden special way to Belmont, Park, three year old Phillies onto blow out a ninety two winning the wild applause Belmont Park older males Managua, halo that one or two in the Islam at Monmouth. Again, I. I don't mean this in a sort of a demeaning way to the connections. Look great job. You've got the horse. I just, he's that kind of horse from gambling standpoint. I I wanna be bang against him every time because don't trust him. He earns a one oh to winning the Islam down Amman with park older, fillies and mares on Springsteen, divine, clean boxwood. They all learn eighty seven buyers one in a stakes race at Canterbury. The other two in an optional claimer at Churchill Downs older, males on grass. Eddie Haskell and siren lure that wasn't part of the stakes montage. But boy, you won't talk about a horses. Just crack at five eighths. One hundred Beyer speed figure for him older. Fillies mares grass simply breathless ninety five winning The Wilshire out at Santa Anita. There you have it the weekends best source. Beyer speed figure performances are concerned on the recap. Addition, however, you've been listening, thank you for doing so YouTube soundcloud, items video dot the dot com. Swell Spotify, please rate reviewing subscribed fear over on you to make sure the belly cons lit up giving DR of TV has to offer questions. Calms concerns, the beneath video player on you or directly to me on Twitter at Bernier underscore, Matt. And again, I will stress that please, send anything everything my way, I will pull everything together and put something out there for the preview pot on Thursday. You'll see a lot of this week, if you are a fan of our six previews or out of the gate because will be doing all the six previews and I will be the only one, the only one we'll have our usual contributors on out of the gate, but we won't have the boys in studio. So going gonna get a lot of me over the next week leading into the following week. So. And then July fourth weeks going to be a little bit interesting. Put Bill back layers, a little bit the racing forms offices are moving down in their building New York City. So there's a lot of movement going on. I look, maybe I'll be wrong, but I believe the plan right now is there will be no out of the gate, around fourth of July and most of you will be at the beach, or whatever it may be. We'll have steaks previews for you, though, leading in stars, and stripes at Belmont. Park and things of that nature. So you don't wanna keep an eye on everything. DR TV has offer this week as always, but especially leading expert because schedules, going to be a little bit at a whack as always. Thank you for listening, best of luck. I'll be back with the preview pod on Thursday, one, all your thoughts questions, comments whatever else it may be. Let me know until then, however you play whatever you play wherever you play. It's been the recap addition of the map, Ernie your show.

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TimeformUS Forecast | Episode 48 | September 25, 2020

Daily Racing Form

26:23 min | 9 months ago

TimeformUS Forecast | Episode 48 | September 25, 2020

"Hi Everyone. Welcome to the September eighteenth edition of the time formulas forecast I'm David Arrogant I'll be joined very shortly by my co host credible cousy this week the focus is turf racing as we handicap five different graded stakes races from around the country really just to venues will be first visiting Belmont Park where they're getting back underway in New York after a brief hiatus following the Saratoga meet opening day is today. Friday. And they'll be running their first major stakes race on Saturday that is the grade one Belmont oaks invitational for the three year old fillies. Going a mile and a quarter, we'll discuss that then head up to woodbine where they're running a bunch of great stakes on the turf. This weekend we'll do to from Saturday to from. Sunday. One of those is the great one Riga Woodbine. Mile big prepped for the Breeders Cup. Mile. Later in the year and then on Sunday the running a couple of two year old turf stakes races both grade one Canadian events the summer in Tomah and some horse coming in from the United States for those. So we'll discuss all of those races later in the show. But let's kick things off at Belmont as I said with that. Belmont. Oaks and Craig it feels like maybe we just have maybe. One. Many major raises for the three year old filly turf forces because this race came pretty light. Yeah, it's pretty disappointing field to be honest that I'll be upfront. The chances I would bet this racer are pretty slim and none looking at it I think the three-year-old Filly Group in general hasn't been particularly strong and you see it in this field. So having said that I think the the ship or magic added attitude is going to be very tough against this group by it's just. Not a Hawaiian in here she comes in with some pretty good form overseas she was second albeit a distant second in group one in France She was only beaten three lengths next time out in the grade one when when faith in a big field of eleven. So you know she just seems to have a class H. He is getting a first time lasix for our no delacour. In I just think she's the one that beat, but I doubt he's going to offer any value. Five, we're GONNA look for any alternatives I guess you could give nations launched another chance I couldn't blame anybody for that. We talked about last time in that delmore oaks and thought maybe if anything it will be too short for so you know you could make the case she's getting an extra furlong, but personally I wasn't all that blown away by her she actually got passed late for third in that race finished for. So if you wanna give her excuse since she's a price, I I guess I could see it but Jeez not for me and I guess the other all I'll turn tive is. One you have to talk about it is particularly New York may be Antoinette ca just the race again of affiliate who shown she can go to the lead I in if nobody takes it to her as she certainly has the ability to finish it off and win in here but with setting the mood on the inside movie Sayas riding now when it's hard to imagine him, not being aggressive in trying to reinforce the pace some. So for me I'll be watching a fan and you know you never know which are GonNa get maybe you get a crazy person here but I don't see it right now. I. Just don't have a whole lot to add about this race like you. I'm not the biggest fan of Antoinette who would appear to be the main rival to that European import. She won that Saratoga Oaks which was arguably just as weak raises this one initiate everything her own way that day. I guess you can control things again but I I don't know I'll be a little surprised if she pulls off another one of these big wins and magic attitude I mean she's the kind of European horse that would be interesting in a race like this even if it had come up with a salty field and it just hasn't. and. Her former overseas is really legitimate. That priests sent ellery that she was second in to back the winner of that race talk. He'll is an undefeated horse who seems really talented and then that predate Deanne last time. The winner of that race fancy blue came back and won a group one race in Ireland next time I think the Nassau. So. That just seems like a really strong set of thrilled Vilis in France that she was running against. She actually ran well, and all of those races she's got a pretty I running style where she could be closer coming from further behind a she arguably could have even finished closer in that group one last time if she hadn't broken slowly so. She just looks good for these I mean if I was going to play this race which I'm not sure that I am maybe the only strategy I could come up with is to try to get key Biscayne and for second because she seems like the Horse that's GonNa get ignored as the biggest price and I thought she had some trouble in the lake placid two bags was kind of fouled in the stretch, and then she got too close into last time in the Saratoga oaks she's better than she seems and she'll be a price in this race. So maybe I'll try to get her and the exact them. Let's move onto woodbine aware. We've got some more interesting turf racing to discuss. It will begin on their Saturday card or and they've got a couple of graded stakes events. The. First of those is ray seven, the grade three singspiel going a mile and a quarter on their outer turf course and we've got an interesting group here. I. Will Note that I saw reported this morning that Admiralty Pier, who is at cross entered in both this raise and the woodby mile is going to run to the Woodbine Mile. So that takes a little bit of pace out of this race. The number nine Nakimora is the morning line favorite for Graham. Ocean, he looks pretty good. He ran well behind Zulu Alpha to back and it was a little disappointing in an optional claiming race last time out at Saratoga. He certainly has the form to win a race like this. I do wonder if a mile and a quarter though is a little bit short for him. Yeah I would agree with that I don't think he's the strongest favorites you mentioned admiralty. Pier. Coming out of the race I'll say now that there's no flag on the pace projector, but I'm pretty sure looking at it. That's GonNa Change does come out to a favors horses owner near the lead in because of that I I'm actually going to go with a totally different worse that we've talked about. Several Times on various podcasts and that's kids a slam horse when he is able to get an easy either in be clear he is just proven very tough to beaten without admiralty pier here I can easily see that happening. I don't know if we'll get the six to one morning I he's a pretty popular horse especially up north, but I just think things are really set up for him while Alwa in. He's GonNa get a great trip in here the other one that interests me in here a little bit of standard deviation. I know you talked about him last week on Metro you feel about him here. So I'll let you take over at this point then I'll say another thing or two before we wrap this race up. Yeah I kind of agree with you about his slam I think in some ways, he's the Horse to beaten here because he's got prior form in these graded stakes at Woodbine that would make them competitive and his recent form looks like it's tailed off a little bit but he blew the break last time and that Seagram Cup. So you can excuse that performance and to back he was just an against the tougher field that. Louisville a churchill downs awful layoff even as Red Smith wasn't that bad because he got caught up making an early move into a very fast pace that fell apart I, just think he's logical here. Especially, admiralty pier is coming out of this race. I would pick standard deviation in this spot as well though I liked him in a much tougher Kentucky. Turf Club last week. So of course, I think he's going to be dangerous. Lesser Race up in Canada. We'll see if the MYLANTA quarter works for him I. Don't see why would and he's run just as well going short or as he has longer. The case that I made for him last week it's the same case I'll make this week. He ran really well in that race over and cut earlier in the year I don't know how strong that field was the other horse that came out of that Race Pedro Kara did no running in the sword dancer at Saratoga during the summer but that was over a boggy course I'm not going to be too much stock in debt. Standard Deviation I. Didn't think he got the right trip to back in the tiller when he was just kind of held up early and asked to sprint home late that's not really what he wants to do, and in last hobby in the United Nations. If you watch the head on replay of that race, you'll see that he got some real trouble at the quarter pole got cut off lost. Also I met him in traffic he was never GONNA win. That race, but he would have finished closer if not forgetting his well, them stop to the top of the stretch I? Just think this is a horse that they've handled like he has ability. They've tried some tough spots with him. He hasn't delivered yet, but I think he's got a good performance still in it. So if he's a price in this race I've got to take a shot with him here. I, would mostly focus on him and Tisza Slam. Yet. So we basically agree I mean if I was gonNA play horizontal in here, which were not talking about some of the other races in here. Maybe I would use a worse like Nakimora but I just think that we talked about not only have you know are they just as good or better on speed figures? They have a class edges well. So I'm not sure we're going to get the odds are quoted add on the morning line but I do think we'll find. Some value with with both of those two I will just say the one horse was listed as short price that I just don't really get is the number five sky wire. This is a horse who's done is best running on symph. It's not always a given the data form is going to transfer to turf his her form just isn't quite good enough to make him a contender here, and I'm a little dubious that he can be competitive with this field on the turf. Let's move on to the feature race on Saturday. Really the future of the weekend at Woodbine it is that Rico woodbine mile grade one event going the one turn mile. We're likely to see some come out this race and be major players in the Breeders Cup Mile. Mark Cassie who has a pretty strong hand in this race sending out the likely favourite number eight war of will as well as march to the arch who also look like a contender. War of will I think is that you have to have an opinion about in this race because he certainly disappointed more than he's delivered in his career. He is the twenty nineteen preakness winner and he got his first victory since then last time out switching to the turf in the maker's Mark Mile. I do have some questions in retrospect about how strong that race was because we've seen a number of horses come back out of that maker's mark and most of not run that. Well. Yeah I would agree and I have the opinion that I'm betting war will in this spot he took the one is you mentioned on the morning line? He'll probably go off a little shorter that in frankly even though that maker's mark was a great one in name at the speed figure didn't show. It's a want it came back only a one nineteen for him I think that's I'm looking at the weight adjusted figure. So it was probably just a little bit higher, but you know in the role numbers but then he keeps it it was just a really weak greed one. So I'm just not a fan of his in here. I think he's GonNa get over bet. So I'M GONNA look elsewhere in the logical worse for me that I see is his stablemate march to the art shot he actually I thought ran very well as time ran out. Of Real big speed figure in the race I think I, have it one twenty seven with that wheat setting on and it really wasn't an easy pace set up for him. Either was really slow early. It was pretty solid afterwards but he was able to get up and win ease horseshoes won both his races at Woodbine over the same course around the one turn mile and it just seems like a great setup for him. He should be able to save plenty ground than I. Think he's the worst. I like like by far the most in here I I do WanNa. Mention I have a similar opinion of starship do believe as I do of war of will. She's obviously an impressive seven year old male, our feet mayor as very good resume resume but I just think this is too deep for her. She's never run fast enough to beat horses like. What march to the are Taran last time or even Admiralty pier who I think is going to be a factor up on the lead but he really had no excuses not to hold off march to the arch in. He's just one I've really like in here and I'll late marched arts marched arts to win an executive with Admiralty Pier I guess the one wildcard would have to. Be. Three year old Cheryl, Speight If I were playing horizontal, I would definitely use them He doesn't have the speed figures yet to win, but it's only his third lifetime started and he certainly capable as soon. Plenty of ability in his prior to starts he showed he can read a little last time. He does give a weight brakes on that going to totally dismiss him either. We're on the same page about your top pick march to the arch I. Thought he ran a fantastic race last time we talked about that race on the pace cast. It earned a very high speed figure. He did not get a set up in there. I know the fractions only one of them's color-coded blue but that was rate for the pace really held together and he just ran past everybody who the only horse running on from the back of the pack. It seems like he really appreciates that long stretch run at woodbine often on those. Tighter turn tour of courses in the United. States. Those seven furlong turf courses he sometimes gets a little bit. Outrun has too much ground to make up when he gets a really long run into the wiry seems to relish that and I just think this is the right spot for a horse who's picked up minor awards and some big races before I think this is the time that he gets his grade one victory. We agree about war of will I covered him already I wonder if Cheryl spite is going to be as high as eight to one in this race seems like there's a horse that there's just a lot of buzz about I know that there was even talk about him being one of the contenders and the Kentucky Derby before had a setback and they decided not to go in that race I'm a little. Bit Super Skeptical of him stepping all the way up in class even though he does apparently have talent and also there's pays in race because you've got admiralty period as his best rolling on the front end war of will certainly not slow. So I think they're going to be moving up front and that just helps out march to the arch and could make it a more difficult task for a horse like shirl spite. I'm not totally against starship jubilee I acknowledge he's GonNa have to run faster to win this race I. Think maybe a win as a little bit out of reach for her but I'm not going to be shocked if she runs well here, she always shows up with a solid effort. I'm not sure that this race is really that much tougher than the Diana she was in last time and she wasn't exactly disgraced in there. You know she was fourth, but she was fourth behind three of the best. Phillies or bears in the country on the turf. I don't think she's impossible and here I prefer march to the arch but I use her somewhere. I. Do think it's interesting. We went through most of the field didn't mention the Chad Brown runner value proposition. That's kind of an odd thing. But personally, I don't really give that one much of shod he has really developed much as a four year old is run only a little bit faster than he did earlier in the career disappointing poker for me. So this just feels a lot more like Chad stake in shot in what looks like a weaker grade one on paper then he might see in New York. Yeah. I've just never been this horse. If they fan he's got a tendency to lug in badly in the stretch of his races he typically is green unfocused. I just he's not a horse that I like to trust. So I wanted to go elsewhere. Let's move onto Sundays at woodbine where they're running a couple of grade one races for the two year olds. These are always major preps for the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf in juvenile turf. which will be running early. November and both of these races have drawn pretty strong fields. We got a couple of shippers coming out for the United States in the summer for the colts and geldings. Couple of horses coming out of a pretty tough made race, it's era Togo that was won by American monarchos in this race and secret potion was second for Chad. Brown, they seem like the major contenders they're facing off against a couple of horses coming out of the soaring free, which was run over sprint distance. At woodbine, how did you compare the two races that these horses are coming out of? I. Well I thought the The meeting race at Saratoga is interesting and I think that's the the biggest one that we're GONNA see I think we're GONNA see bigger efforts out of that one. I really like secret potions race even though he didn't win that day, he wasn't able to catch American monarch but I think he was really bottled up for a large portion of that race he just didn't have anywhere to go. In I think he was just going to get a better trip in here. He's going to save ground maybe about maybe be able to work out a little bit of a trip in I think he's the one to beat for me. I preferred American monarch out of that Saratoga race. I don't know secret potion. I didn't think he had a major excuse. He rode the rail the entire way the pace was pretty soft. Thought, he really benefited from his inside post position than that spot and I thought he had a shot at it in the stretch he was there and got the league and an American monarch ran past while making a three wide sweep to the front on the turn. So I thought American monarch ran the better race that day these Chad Brown horses can always improve in their second starts of a Bill Maud Forces Ken as well. Even though American. Monarch won first time out. So I prefer monarch and I'd make it my top pick in this race I thought that that maiden race was the stronger of the racist. Compared to that stakes at Woodbine the soaring free. We already see it a couple of horses from net Saratoga Maiden race. Come back to do. Well I think pivotal mission who was third who had some trouble in there? He came back with second in a stakes at Kentucky downs. Another horse who finished farther back came back to win. So I think that racist certainly. been bolstered by the run bax and as far as the soaring free at Woodbine goes. It featuring extremely slow pace for six and a half furlongs, and that probably benefited Gretzky the great more than it did ready to repeat who for whatever reason they decided that was the data rate ready to repeat even though have shown so much speed in his prior starts and that just didn't quite work out for him I. Think both of these have a right to stretch out. I just believe they have a little bit more to prove against support coming out of a route razor Togo. Yeah. Now, I have to admit I made a mistake here when I was talking about secret potion I actually was watching the replays this morning in though he was the to today he was not the to that day so I had him confused with pivotal mission so scratch everything I said about him going to change my opinion on there it's a little embarrassing but it happens I get the the number twos mixed up so yeah, American fire would be the one I like the other words I did want to talk about. Was Ready to repeat just because I mean, I'm not sure maybe he is better as a sprinter and you know, I'm not sure they were just trying to read them thinking he couldn't get the distance but I really like the see him given a shot to actually run early like he did in his couple wins before yet tried that state glass time on Surf and you know the pace was really slow that they he was still making up ground. So he's the one I'd like to give a shot out of the local horses. I've done it more than I care to admit watching the wrong horse in a replay it certainly is easy to do. I agree with you. Ready to repeat his ninety two on the morning line and Gretzky the grades to One. I mean I kind of prefer them in reverse order I think ready to repeat has more of a right to stretch out and I agree with you. He's more dangerous from the front end in this race if they use the speed again, but I do think American. Monarch might just be the right horse SPA. Move onto that other stakes race for the two roles at Woodbine the grade one Talmud for the phillies and like the summer this is pretty salty field. We've got some horses who look good against stakes company at Woodbine horse some says coming up from Saratoga. Of the horses that ran at Woodbine. ALDA and dreaming of drew both come out of the catch a glimpse. Kind of like in the Situation, with soaring free in the summer, both of them have to stretch out from the six and a half furlongs to a mile. All I thought finished off that race well, certainly has a pedigree that suggests more disobeyed to her advantage. She could get some pace in this race. I guess alda is the Horse to beat but it's a pretty competitive field and there are some horses coming out of maiden races that are pretty interesting. It is actually the Horse said I'M GONNA make my top pick is one coming out of maintenance at Woodbine in that's lady spates beer This is one I. Actually did watch the right horse on the replay. Unsure. This win ha she actually broke pretty poorly that day in a race that was pretty quick early. She made a really eye-catching move to to just move up and assert command in the racy over and. After that. Sometimes, you kind of expect those sources, the backup a little bit, and she didn't do it at all. She just kept running away from the field. Now obviously, we don't know exactly what he was in against the hardly anybody's run back but I think it was the fourth or fifth place Finisher was the lone run back and she came back to win with a much better figure second time out. So just visually that I'm going to go with lady. Speed. Spear in here I have no real knocks on all that I mean she ran fine. She comes in with the best speed figure I. Believe it is last time or her in dreaming a juror right there together as they were only in those apart on the wire out of those two, I would probably prefer all day. As you said, she looks like she probably wants to go a little bit further but ladies speech Speier's one for me is going to be my topic. Yeah. I was pretty impressed by ladies bites watching that race. She was used hard early and she still was able to break finish and distance from distance herself away from that field at the end. And she's got a gigantic. Tur- pedigree her damn. Lady Shakespeare. She was a multiple graded stakes with on the turf. She is a full sister. The day I'm to Shakespeare who I believe was a winner of Woodbine Mile. And this that makes this a very close relative to shirl spite for these connections who's writing in the Woodbine Mile. Just a lot of signs pointing to this horse having real ability. I do wonder if she's going to get caught up in a faster pace this time because you've got a horse on the outside coming out of five and a half furlong turf spur dirt I'm sorry since sprint and you've got dreaming of drew who also has speed the pace shakes out on the front. End But I do think ladies bites beer has plenty of talent and I'd use her the horse that I would make. My Top pick is a horse also coming out of a maiden race but at Saratoga, and that's the number two seasons I'll be honest. I'll be very surprised if season's highest ten to one in this race I, kind of thought she'd be among the favorites. And I would be willing to better at a price probably as low as seventy two or four to one because I think that's where she's supposed to be. There she only one her debut by a neck and it was not the most visually impressive performance. It was kind of a wild stretch run or -ducted and broke through the rail about the eighth pole and season's briefly reacted to that and had to kind of refined her stride to win Matt Race. It was not the strongest field either but that said, there was a big story on this horse I I'm out for Jimmy Toner Horse at Saratoga to get bet down to four five in his debut. You know that this was trading well and just having washed A. Lot of these workouts in doing my typical morning line work. This phillies drill on August third over the Oklahoma tour. Of course, is one of the most impressive turf workouts I've ever seen for a two year old on the turf at Saratoga and I just don't think we saw the best of her first time out and I believe she has more ability than that speed figure would indicate as she certainly bred to be good by tapping out of that multiple grade one winning Damn Winter Memories. So I think we're going to see a better every out of seasons this time. Yeah, I have no problem with her at all. I was GonNa talk about her but you've pretty much covered everything. I was going to say so the other horse I did watch some replacing look at sleek links a worse coming in and out of a Gulfstream Park meeting race where she couldn't quite get up. She was four to five that they would. I did notice she made an eye catching move to the lead, but she was pretty green in the stretch and I really wanted to make a case for. But at a price, she might be one I use underneath in the verticals I don't really see your winning she the more that she did get a pretty good setup that day the piece was hot with red fraction. So maybe that move was a little bit of Malaysian but I do expect her to improve her. Speed figure second time out for Mark, ask he tends to do better second time out than I than she's one I think that will actually be the morning line pricing and could use those tries or supers. Yeah. We saw that debut pretty much the same way I, think that big move was a bit of an optical illusion because the race was falling apart at that point and she just did basically give it up in the late stages but the winner director's cut she might be okay because she came back with. Second at a stakes at Gulfstream next time with a much higher speed figure. So maybe that race was just a decent race just by taking place at Gulfstream against what seemed to be a week field us. Oh, I wouldn't make her anywhere my top three picks I couldn't find a spot for her. But like you said, she'll be the biggest price of the horses that we discussed. That's all the racing to handicap this week kind of a light week in terms of stakes racing around the country and will rather on. The costs because we went up north as well. things should kick into high gear next week when we will finally have the return of Santa Anita, I know planning a big card next Saturday. We'll see if we can discuss some of that. Also there are some steaks plan for Belmont. Next week will be getting in a lot of these Breeders Cup preps. So Craig and exciting time in racing and I. Think we'll have a lot more interesting horses that are going to be in that conversation Computers Cup time next week. Yeah for sure I mean we're only two weeks away from the weaknesses well, which kind of funny. But it could actually wind up being a Breeders Cup clap prep in its own right. At this point, we'll see how that field shakes out. But yeah, this is probably the slowest week we're going to have for quite some time. So looking forward to it is my favorite time of year. All right. We'll get to all of that next week and we will be back on Tuesday with the time formulas pace cast recap, these racist that we discussed and perhaps some other. So look for that next week. Remember you can always listen to us on dear dot, com spotify ITUNES, YouTube AD soundcloud regular podcast just make sure to subscribe to the daily racing form. Channel thanks for listening this week we'll be back with that time formulas pace cast on Tuesday.

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Hour 1: Marcus Hersch, Jay Privman

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:10:21 hr | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Marcus Hersch, Jay Privman

"The Sirius XM ports. Raises with Steve big. Whereas anybody Kelly interviews this is Steve. Good Friday race fan serious to nineteen XM to a one sports on Sirius XM online and at our website, Steve dot com, and certainly nice enough here to start the weekend in south Florida, the Florida derby day and given the way the morning unfolded yesterday. We really only talk about the the feature the Florida derby, the end of the the big days card, and of course, the. The winter season drawing to a close at Gulfstream. So we've got a lot to do on that front little concerned little bit. You can't you can't predict any weather down here because it rainstorms come rolling in. And they they seemed isolate themselves sort of like in in little Abner. Right. The the one character little Abner that that the cloud follows that. That's basically what what goes on down. Here. I you'll you'll find you drive on the turnpike case and you can see off in the distance. You'll see a black cloud where you could see the rain sheeting down. That's what you get here. It's weird. So there's there's like a forty percent chance tomorrow, I guess of passing rain in Hallandale. So we'll see. But I mean, it's not like, you know, it's not like we're completely. We concerned on that front. But it it's been a couple of days a little blustery and there's been there's been that kind of storm actions. You really don't know. But we're not gonna worry about it. Gulfstream did get hit yesterday. They had had rain enough to take races off the turf, they had had those kinds of showers. So you know, what I mean if you were playing yesterday, and it kind of. When that happens. It's annoying. Let's just keep it at that. But today the racing action starts at Gulfstream with a couple of graded stakes and one the one St. we talked about with with Todd Pletcher. When we had the opportunity that biblical and Marconi competing in the skip away. Where rocketry makes a seasonal debut for centennial and Jimmy jerkins Peniel centennial bought I didn't think I mentioned that they bought an like a five hundred thousand dollar two year old at the sale forget what the pedigree was that raise? The skip away goes the eighth and the ninth tenth eleventh makeup. A pretty good pick for it ends with a maiden twenty. But the other two stakes on the day, the Appleton and the orchid, and maybe I'll get Mike Welsh later to give a quick glance at it. Hawkish makes return in here for Jimmy toner that in the Appleton going the mile on the grass great to get hawkish back, Dr Mountie for sug- if feels like the two of them are the the major players I. You know, I'm a fan of Louis or tens and uncle be ten to one might be the fun horse to utilize with the with the two obvious. Major players George dream weavers got holiday stone in there as well. But tend to one local be that's that's my. My horse kind of goose things up with the two major players hawkish, and Dr mouthy, then you've got the orchid. And of course, the Phillies mayor's gonna mile and three Santa Monica is going to be a a very strong favourite in there, even money appropriate as a morning line homeland security Christoph Lamont, and of course, former Chad Brown trainee now with cla Mont making the first start off office seasonal break little longer than that. And there's also key mash, oh for Roger rat 'field might be the other other horse, but Santa Monica looks very formidable. That's today's action. And of course, we resume Santa Anita today and the. The nervous at dissipation. Is that is that is that the right terminology? We'll talk the hammer later he was at the HR be meeting yesterday. You got the San Louis Ray today as a stake to start the weekend. Then the Saturday card will talk the hammer. I'm sure I'll have a couple of ideas. And we'll check in for the first time in a month with Tom Quigley an hour three to talk about the his impressions, you got. Obviously, a Saturday card that kind of was a catchall for a few of the stakes that that would have been run over the last four weeks the beholder mile and the kill role the great ones also got the Saint Carlos Santana. So and then some nice maiden races as well. So maiden specials, but today, the San Louis Ray, and it just so happened that this week. We had Peter urban and he's got actually love sugar. We talked to Peter obviously about his win with core beliefs. Over the weekend. And Jim Gasunie was with us on Monday. And he's got epochal that is the two one favourite with Tyler Baze. So with just so happens over the course of the week. We hit a lot of the participants. There's also a very notable maiden race today. At Santa Anita that you may wanna tune in for these are boys going sex, all maidens, obviously. And but all maidens making their career debuts which at this time at this time of year. It's unusual and preference. I'm sure was given at entry time for horses that were going to be debut in and they ended up with nothing. But and so the fifth race today which goes at three o'clock Pacific with a one o'clock start today a little bit of the late start. So six o'clock eastern time, three o'clock Pacific and one horse that that jumps off. Of course. Larry best got all these fancy purchases seven hundred fifty thousand dollar animal kingdom that Tom Van Meter bread out of a master command mayor art teacher and Ogawa's for Larry best and Jerry Holland door for debut in here. There's a lot of there's a lot of odd cross references in this race. How indoor for who does train for Michael Stinson? But Stinson is gonna debut the home bred the kirwin gelding Nesbitt in here, and our chairman has got Nesbitt for Michael's Vinson. And this gelding looks like he's worked really well for his debut, and of course, over at Los Al with with art Steve Sherman and Nesbitt then holler door for has another horse for the Kirkwood's that was bred by hill. And Dale and we'll get to Johnson cure in a minute. But the stormy Atlantic gelding Joey's as for the Kirkwood's, but the Kirkwood's have a second horse Benny the jet with Mark Glatt. So there's all this. There's all this kind of odd. Patchwork quilt of of things going on in here. And I guess the California rules don't. Prohibit individual entries from the different barn with common ownership because the Kirkwood's. The Kirkwood's I you know in many jurisdictions. This would be an entry Joey and Benny the jet the common ownership so that's the fifth and going to take a look at national turf. And see what Andy Harrington say, we talk about California rules, and I won't spend a tremendous amount of time because we want to get to Marcus Marcus is going to take us for about twenty minutes or so from Dubai and that comes up and just a couple of minutes, and then Marcus is going to be on the the webinar at. Thirty five at nine thirty five the D R F webinar for the Dubai World Cup. But on the HR be front yesterday. The I don't want to call the meeting anti-climactic, but pretty much everything that was assumed to be handled was handled and pass than rubber-stamped. Now that includes the the whip change it doesn't go into effect immediately. There's a forty five day comment period. And even after that, there's the state administrative law review. And of course, you heard that terminology back a couple of years ago when they were putting together the rules for the exchange wagering concept in California and the California little surprise that never that hasn't ever been instituted. But. The office of administrative law. They they review all kinds of rules for I'm sure all of the the various. The various businesses that and and administrative things that come through the state government and. That at that point might be ninety days might be. No, six months, I are hard to say. But at some point this. This riding crop rule is going to go into effect and one. I suppose it's a I suppose it's a. A regal designed to. To take the the neutralized concerns about disqualifications. The oldest is going to be completely on the jocks. They cannot do anything with the stick. That would be deemed an attempt to improve position and improve the horses. Finish you can use the crop to. As they termed it, keeping horse and rider safe. So I suppose a horse. That's that's getting out. Or who knows what what their idea is here? But I can't even the way this rule is being written. They can't even wave the the stick. You know on either side of of the horse's head to to to go on go on which is I mean, I that I would have thought that that was knock you ass- enough. But apparently, not so, you know, helping the horse to change leads. That's out. There's gonna be evolution. I imagine with riders that. They're they're ultimately. Have the stick? I I would think that at some point. We'll say I I'm not going to dwell on this today. Just doesn't seem. Doesn't seem for right now too. Until you until it starts to happen. You really don't know what the the unintended consequences are going to be. But they they did try to anticipate not injuring horse players and owners, my putting in terminology the original terminology about disqualifications, the jocks can get find they could get days at cetera. But they're not not gonna penalize players and. And create a a whole different. Said of potential legal challenges. Handful of of a ID's not to Rydell. Medications. There's a spended that was that was it -ticipant it beautifully. Nixon keta pro Finn that sets repet- prejudice own bread dissolving all though. Cetera. The lace accent the delay six ten to five that that's not. Most orces are are getting about. But those like that anyway that part of it. Is it an issue? I don't know if you saw Christina blacker. Report from the meeting. She said something interesting at hammer will add to to it. He was there and. Looking forward to his his visit his interpretation of what transpired? But she said that once the once the whip conversation came and went. She said all the all the mainstream media left as if there were other things to discuss. But that that was something that that they were particularly. You know, I guess excited to be there about I. This is this is one of those public perception questions, and and as as John secure so eloquently yesterday discussed. The onus is on us as an industry to. Change whatever negative perception is out there by those that are disconnected from. This lifestyle from agrarian life in this era. Because that's that's the disconnect as I've said for fifteen years. The disconnect here is. The last several generations growing up away from the farm having no connection to farm life agrarian life whatsoever. And I I imagine it's it's generation after me. I mean, only only because I, you know, I grew up in a in a suburban setting Connecticut outside of Hartford and. We had a lot of farms around at lot at the school with with kids that that came worked on farms, we had tobacco farms we had dairy farms at cetera and. I went to what to summer camp, we rode horses. We cared for is at at summer camp. That was enough. That was enough to to to spark an interest, but the further people get away from that. 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Now back to after with Steve on Sirius XM radio. And. We're back. The racist and happy to have Marcus Kirsch back. We talked to Marcus, of course, before the Louisiana derby day and speak day. It's big day Hirsch BDA ch and Marcus had made Dan for the big end to the carnival and the Dubai World Cup, Marcus good morning or good evening there. Steve how you doing? I'm good euro Santa little you got the you got the jet lags going on. Doing okay. I I don't know if it's chat lie, but I got something going on. Well, I I know you will soldier through. And this this World Cup will hit a few highlights. You of course, I a report about ROY h having to scratch out of the golden Shaheen. Let's start there where America has dominated the past few years still three big American interests. And they're still shoulder to shoulder to shoulder. Yeah. Get imperial index dead and promises filled, and that's unfortunate about ROY h didn't really run his best. You didn't run his best race last year? When he was here ran fine. Imperial hint was actually came here as well two years ago, and he thought plain sick and didn't get to run. He has had no such issues this year. X y jet making his third trip here as to very narrow defeats in the same race and promises fulfilled is set to to make his four year old debut drawn outside those other two voices on all three of those are are the main street, we have there's actually another American's which into has been here for several weeks and participating in this race. The drafted this the as had the most success of on the local orces indie dirt sprints leading into this Tato key man behind him in Argentine import. But I mean, you know, the three Americans to similar style. I think one of probably gonna win. No, no edge. Terms of now with with ROY h gone in terms. The way the pace is gonna win phone. I don't think that's gonna change the pace. He was going to sit a little farther behind. Anyway. I mean, I actually judge this is gonna he always leaves. I don't yet. He's not on the pace. And from this is filled is very sharp voice and stuff and the one I think is most likely to end up a little bit off of it. It's the one drawn tied imperial heads. It take it's possible that stick try to let the horses go. And we haven't come around. He's too. There's anybody outside keep bulls holding in. But I don't know. I mean, I I I made selections for this race. And I ended up taking period hint on top. But that was with after the liberation and not a lot of confidence. And I don't I don't I have don't have a strong opinion with the number of runners. I don't think. She's not a great betting race for me. And and as I dug into the other alternatives a little trying to find something that will more bang, but I can't I couldn't get there with any of them. Well, the the other sprint. Let's let's keep it short on the sprint side for a second. Because stormy liberal. Stablemate of ROY h he also drew the one hall, and it kinda sets up a high level international confrontation between him and blue point. Yeah. I mean, I don't really look at it that way to be honest. Know so little second in the race last year by blue point didn't even get participate. Only two pre-start incident where his right he cut himself to some extent. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, granted stormy liberal we in the Breeders Cup Turf sprint, but blue point is the horse with a far greater level accomplishment. I consider it. In upset of. Okay. Maybe not considerable. But I think that blue point as an a different tier in terms of a accomplishment in be chat the chance of winning this race. Also, you know, obviously, the one is a bad post generally for sprinters, but clearly to work out for this worst. But everybody goes to the outside, and it's just better to be outside in. This course, twelve hundred meters, which is about six along the being up over the crown of the track is definitely preferable. And then they come down straightaway. Go across the main track meet up with a home straight. If you pushed down inside. I don't know. It's just not it was gonna be a tough at their worst. Anyway. And from the one I it makes it even harder. I I'm not I'm not in the you know, I'm gonna beat this favorite mode with blue point at all. He's maybe he's going to be one of the shorter prices on the card, but he's. Is just the tourists in the rates in the one horse that I could kind of magin beating him even if things just go fair and square, and I don't think that's going to happen would be sands of Mali shoes for Richard fi. He the English horses here. The French bread minute England, he his big wing came on a clearly off course in Chan kit. Co-champions day sprint at year's end. But he ran exceptionally. Well, over this configuration, straight course through longs in the Commonwealth Cup for three roles in the spring. And and a firm enough to have ended up taking second. And if I working for upset you'd probably be the one I mean, I'm not putting it past Belva bait around the good rain your Miller. I'm interestingly she began. Her career in England. And I think so I I four races were down the straightaway. And she, you know forever. It's worse. She acquitted herself admirably, I mean care club. Ran a good race last time for FOX or Glenn hill. Could see him participating? I don't I don't like him specially to get into the top three. I t I will get a lot of support. He's he ran good races during the, but he just got thrashed by blue point last time to find something else to fill the gap between those two what about brave smash coming in from Flemington. Yeah. I mean, obviously that you gotta take the OSCE sprinter. Seriously. My I guess my major concern with him is he's been on the steady go since I think September now. I mean a lot of runs already. I just don't know that he has that much more to find and. May be late in the year for him to pop one of his better races his run well enough to to be a factor. I know. This this mayor Vittore, it's in the different area and her form cycle and has a as a strong, turn of foot herself. She's probably he's drawn in twelve and might have a chance of running into the top three things. Go her way. Let's talk about the three year olds. And as we transition to the three year olds we have to say that Marcus last week, if you were listening, even though he didn't have by my standards in in the selection grid, you warned everybody that by my standards was was intriguing and may have may have been coming into the Louisiana derby hot. So I think some people took advantage of that info Marcus last week. So. I I mean. I think if I remember, right. I and it was probably rude to cut such a wide slot. But I went through a bunch of forces. Because I you know, I felt like if we're rolling in a win. There were many ways at that race could go and that was one of the horses. That was interesting at a price the train had been. So, you know, just came onto the blue that he was so high and that horse I expected here talks golden, we have him, and you could see you can't without watching the work. Sometimes you know, but he'd worked fast anyway. I didn't really work out. Great from me. But hopefully. Let's talk about this group. And there's North American representation and the worst that you know, the words that I I'll I'll openly root for here is Brendan Walsh with plus ca Parfait, but there's you know, there's plenty of of local interest walking thunder, and and so much more divine image, your thoughts Marcus is about the three year olds. Yet divine images been is considered the lead in three or jeez. Philly. She's run three times. I believe at the carnival. She won the prep by seven lights or something about Sakir. She's made some mistakes, she's prep sake logically little difficult. She's had issues behind the gate. She ground out a win inner previous start made big improvement to performance while she did last time end up getting perfect trip into run fast. And I can't trust enough to to encourage supporting her at what I think is going to be a fairly short price. Although she definitely could win. I mean, the what's going to me this week was in talking to train of Charlie Appleby. I know she'd been mentioned as a horse. It could have been supplemented to the Kentucky oaks that apparently not in the cards as the trainer is a little bit concerned about other things. I just mentioned her her state of mind and not wanted to rush into a situation met ready for tackle. That's a little bit of. Insurance me. I don't have a strong opinion in this race either. I actually ended up picking on top horse that you mentioned K Parfait just because I feel pretty certain that if he could get back to his best races at two, and, you know, make this sort of metro progresses. Three year old would maturity he would probably be the horse to beat is his cage AC he'd be and beat Harvey volving or that not a great horse. But he's a great sticks winter and a at Keeneland, and even his Lecomte stakes as I started the year where he had some trouble and finished decent v. Is you know, that sort of form is a bit of scared by his poor performance in the risen star stakes with no apparent excuse. And the trainer was while. She couldn't find any physical reason for the way he ran that way. He's going to be running in bunkers today. The hope is that he couldn't get into the race a little sooner. I do this race with. A lot of face in. If he could sit him second flight, and actually, you know, put forth an effort that would be probably helpful to chances. Just in a more general sense. Even speaking about the pace and the night. I I know that there's the track has a reputation for tearing speed. I think that's based and it's a sound reputation for the most part, but I do believe without having done. All the Cisco work myself, the perspective voice from people here who are fair inches about in another who observe the. Car Todd goings on what close ninety the dirt. But let Feis year that horses had more of a chance if they were off the pace and outside. Some my kind of approach is assuming that a lot of people are going to think that that the previous sort of dynamic held true, including a lot of the jockeys aren't that million with riding here and that could get number of really song pace in the races. That set these races up for off the pace types. I'm just looking at it that way in general manner. And I think this is a race. It could could fall to that fallen. I knew exactly not certain who does a port. I mean, horse Jabbah number two was included in my upper level selections. She's won four straight and the all-weather circuit in England. He's had trouble going sixteen hundred meters. And I think he'll get the distances question of having never been on dirt. And with that much journeys, pedigree handle them the dirt surface. He's in good hands with William Haggas. And of course, they didn't know Brian had a huge amount of success in this way, sending horses over from Ireland, but his enter your van Beethoven doesn't have the same sort of credentials or to me peel of some horse had passed. Let's do a couple of things quick, Marcus. Because I know you've got the seminar coming up the webinar, and yes or no almond I win or lose. When. And she the star we'd be talking about her more than any other horse after tomorrow. Possible. That's good. My my bowl prediction that race. Is that Japanese sweep of the top replacing Deirdre and people also coming home look at that. I like it. Absolutely. All right. And then let's quickly hit real quick. Yes. To be to cross counter Mogole Cup. I actually like the I like a horse in Godolphin mile an American horse. Does is not co-fund. I liked true temporary memories. Of course, has looked just books aside. I liked timber to win that race and invest in the classic old Persian. I think is going to be favored, but I took another Japanese horse raid or to beat him. He Russell out of ground last race in Japan. And it turns out if you go back and Ross last year, she was the parade out Bill that nobody made any ground up right in this horse who couldn't close properly. I think that you'll get a little bit better set at this time. I like it. I I happen to like ri- radar oh myself to and let's get your thoughts close out with the World Cup. It's gonna Vero for me in top. I might him more and more the saying that the phrase gone by World Cup win or I felt kind of wrong to me. I mean, he he ran a good race in the Breeders Cup. Classic thing is as I mentioned before this is the one race in particular where I'm I'm just playing it for the things time to meltdown a little cap is on North America. I just don't see how they both aren't going as hard as they can to make the front. I know under snow doesn't have to be rid Metway. But from an outside he's got to be put into the race to get some position than he wired it last year. So I just think he's gonna he's probably gonna attack fair early to. I think they're going to go pretty fast and maybe come back to the field gun Aveiro last year when he your everything kind of went wrong for him from the start. He just didn't have a good experience. Any showed was training that it was lackluster, and he ran that way to my, you know, I don't see the horse all the time. But he looks like a different horse in the morning to me just much happier. Song or better muscle tone. And I liked it. Yes. A real if they just there wait for the speed to start backing up, and he starts drying it out grind to get out. I talked him to get the the mile and a quarter and finish off when these big races. He's been close in a couple of four Yoshida if he'd drawn the rail I might sided with him, but he's got the ten, and I just I strange I trust gonna there little more at a my own accord, then you sheet, I did take him second floor in American sweep the the very solid seeking the soul who comes off a good third in Texas World Cup. I'm against thunder snow this year and the antepost favorite North America. I'm happy to take him on his well, very good, Marcus, always entertaining and things start. Well, it starts with. I think with the the Arabian. But I post a bop. Where's my? Whereas I had this written down. Thirty seven forty five seven point five eastern. I believe. Yes. Okay. There we go eight opener and the Godolphin mile. The first thoroughbred race goes at eight fifteen eastern. So there's your there's your time. Nice. Nice. And of course, all the hoopla. Going to be fast and good. There was rain early in the week. But whether it's gonna be great it was warm drying dates. I am told that it did water the grass course last night. Even though there was rain drains, really fast still going to be good ground. But it's not gonna be anything fast. Excellent. Excellent. No, more health, right? The hailstorm the other day. I missed the hailstorm Mercifully this morning. We had fog Bank to send which was quite spectacular. It's always interesting, and how many how many of these have you done. I honestly can't really remember. I think this is my eleven how about that. I'm not entirely certain infants or at the old not L. She I know with my first she he delivered exciting performance. Where now is a golf course. I think. Yeah. It Bill and unfolds. Fast and furious allnight blue point, cetera et cetera. Twelve million dollars the big race to it's a pretty spectacular card and look forward to covering it, Marcus, everybody D our effort, should he'll be providing all the all the information, and you can watch the feed got Hazelton and Nick lock Zoe Kadmon and all all the international the coterie, Markus. Thanks so much for coming back reshi at it. Thanks for having Marcus. Let's take a break jape ribbon Marcus his colleague standing by. We'll head out to California. We'll talk recap from last weekend derby watch with Jay prevent also get his thoughts about the resumption of racing. At Santa Anita. At the races with feedback on Sirius XM radio. Diarra? F- sports for digital addition. Your alternate weekly bending guide published by daily racing sports form delivers all of the analysis and insight you need for every NFL game. More than forty college. 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Thoroughbred aftercare, alliances standard of accreditation and grant process provide donors with confidence that their contributions are allocated in the most effective manner. Accreditation is only awarded after complete review of an organization after care cannot be an afterthought for the industry to learn more or support the TA's mission. Visit Thurber aftercare dot org. Back to at the races with Steve dick on Sirius XM. We're back at the races coming up on fifteenth at the top of the hour, the Tempera recap really in the next hour jape ribbon right now following colleague, Marcus Hirsch. Jay, good morning. Very is. Jay, good morning. Sorry. Hi, steve. Hey, Jay, we got we just talked with Marcus about World Cup. And now shifting back domestically and derby watch we're we're in the thick of things Sunland park and Louisiana derby action last weekend thoughts. Both races were okay. You know by my standard stepped up. A big race Louisiana derby, which I was at I thought spinoff round well in second but just couldn't finish the race off. But it was a good performance for him second of a lengthy lay-off. But I still think those sources, and especially the ones that someone would probably cut below the best that we've seen and I think the best we've seen so far where the two divisions of the rebel in some really looking forward to seeing the Arkansas derby, and the Santa Anita. And I think you've got several good ones tomorrow in the Florida derby, so those I think the racist last week we're nice races. But I don't think that those are the the top horses in in the division right now. The one exception to that to me might be by my standards, and that you know, just getting good at the right time. And even another twist to out run on the solid race though community to see how they what they do with him because right now with. Thirty points. He's gonna be potentially right on the bubble for for getting into the race. This. I think it's gonna be some sore watching this weekend to decide whether or not they need to to run one more time and the same with country house. There's a good chance he's gonna run another time as well. Which might have said before the Louisiana derby that he was he was capable of doing that with the horses capable of doing that because he's a big strong horse. Well, we we had a lot of movement, and certainly the bluegrass looks like it's going to draw an overflow crowd. And we'll talk about next week in a in a couple of minutes at Santa Anita. But turn our attention to Florida derby and some thoughts about you know, what feels like the big chance for for the scroll to capitalize on. What is clearly an abundance of talent. Well, you've we've discussed the the trip at ride that he had found of youth and how he was certainly compromised by how race unfolded being the staff as it was early in for him to hang in there. Only be beaten three legs. I thought was pretty strong effort on his part. You know, the question will be how he reacts being down inside. I I know they've been training them to try fit behind horses and finish. But with the rail dry, you've got to use yourself just to have a little bit of positioning early you'd think maximum security coming out of sprints with clear the field, and maybe throw can have enough speed to then get outside going around the first turn something like that. And if he does I think he's going to be sitting in a perfect spot, you know, code of honor. Obviously that was a big bounceback race for him in the fountain of youth. And there's no reason to believe that he won't continue to move. Forward. Trainer. Should mcgahee. In very high on the lay he's trainees straight shooter. When we're Thors isn't just the way talked about the horse and like talk to him earlier this week. He's very bullish on the progress that this horses made since he started training them harder coming out of the Mutuel macho man it said going into the fountain of youth that each is approach the way train them. You just thought maybe was bathing along a little bit. And it was just time to not do that. And see if he could take it. And and he's responded we ran the best race. He's run so far fountain of youth. And I think should of the belief that he can will move forward about that race. And then you've got bourbon war who was finished very well in the fountain of youth also like could've honor had a race that really the ratio that really benefit. And I thought he ran thought he ran a good celebrates. But to me, it's just going off basic handicapping. One type of approaches. You would you look at the way the found of youth unfolded you've come up with the belief that didn't scroll might be as of today the most talented horse in this field. So I think he's I think if he can get the trip I sort of outlined there early on getting sort of. Be sent and then get outside the horse maximum-security. He's going to be pretty tough. There's one longshot in here by the wages from gambling standpoint. If you're playing the try I would use I thought unions destiny, Kevin unbelievable. Out of youth. My God he just like a parking lot the whole race. And I could see him coming along late at a giant number two. So out the try or something like that? I good for you. Because I would tend to agree. I was surprised last night. When I was doing the work. I said. Look at this. I agree that your thing. You also wrote about my recap of the youth. Address to his trip. He's back with his friends will be really tough. I'm not sure these are friends, but price will be worth using him for the gimmicks. I agreed. You know, circle back to code honor for a minute Jay because I know there's going to be to quote, a friend of ours. There'll be plenty of people who think that last time was the time. But you wrote a an interesting piece off of a conversation you had with jug and juxtaposing orb, and you know, him basically peaking at the right time himself on the road to to show derby, and and I kind of read between the lines should should quite would be quite content to knock off a second derby. Oh, yeah. No. He he spoke to that. On a national talk conference. He was on as well this week. I've spoken privately. Also, Nashville she was on. And he he he. Definitely would he said that it's one of those things he'd wanted to get done early in his career. He's as you just wanted to get it over with not having hanging over. You know, I was nineteen Eighty-four with pine circle. And meme landing him when he was training privately for John Anthony, and he said that get actually made him appreciate winning the derby so much more to have it not happen until four twenty nine years after Verster be starter. It's not like he's in the derby every year. He's only seven runners over his career. It's citing this year. Steve, you know, this guys like him, and he's won the derby. But Martin Mandela they're all in the hall of fame. They've all got prominent derby contenders this year, and they've all never really made the derby priority. They've always been the just let things take their course. They're all at or near the top of the Breeders Cup wins list. But it's interesting to see that this year kind of come together for all those guys. And shook said, you said friend of them told, you know, the the derby win. Ever wash off. And he said other he said that he said other trainers, tell them one more than one derby that the second one is every bit as good as the first and she said he'd love to people to see what that feels like if the code of honor to get there, well, Florida derby tomorrow, and then we shift our attention to the big Saturday, the first Saturday, April and the wooden Morial the bluegrass and this Anthony to derby and next Saturday Jay obviously next week. We'll get a chance to be together leading up to the big day. Let's get your impressions of of how things have proceeded since we spoke last, and of course, yesterday to see HR be meeting addressing the whip scenario and medication and rubber stamping the reboot. Here your thoughts. As we go into today's action. I mean, we're to start. I don't know if the word farcical is the most accurate word, but there've been so many self inflicted. Missteps on this path up to an including. Kowtowing to an extreme lunatic fringe of the world in pita. That I I'm just dismayed, by the way things of have played out. But the thing that most disappoints me about yesterday. Specifically is the. All the discussion yesterday going into and coming out of and for a large part during the California racing board meeting was regarding the whip and regarding Lasix, and there is still and it will continue to be and you will not find any correlation between the whip and lay six regarding the situation with the spike in deaths that occurred earlier this season, a spike, by the way that has been eliminated and I knock on wood that it continues to be since Dennis Moore was brought back to be a consultant on the track surface. Not after the first time racing was suspended for injuries. But after the second time it happens. They finally reached out to him and brought him back in. So yesterday, California horse racing board meetings. Tim ridgeville got up and outlined things that went on there were there was minimal questioning of the situation from California racing board. And I thought it was an egregious. Air oversight mistake on their part to not continue to pursue to find the truth as to what all went on. And the best analogy I can give to this specific situation is what happened at Ecuador's approximately eight years ago. We rhythm panel was created included people like Steve Chris and Jerry Bailey to look into what had happened at Akwa duct to write up a white paper and to recommend best practices going forward. That's still has not happened. And to me, it was outrageous punt on the horse racing boards part yesterday to not do anything even remotely close to having something like that happen and continue this dodge and this shiny object policy that has gone on in recent weeks of focusing on more extraneous things to hope that. People won't be discussing core issue of what happened and why there's been a suspension of racing for nearly a month before it comes back today. That's in the what happened yesterday was we can talk about all things that sandy has done wrong here, and there's been a lot. And then some other stakeholders but yesterday, the California horse racing board completely abdicated their role of oversight on that specific issue. And they need to do something about it. Because that was just outrageous awful. I very very accurate and from everything we could see just from watching from the outside, and and you know, listening and hearing the reporting Rick Admiral be with us the second hour, and we'll get some of Rick's thoughts. I it. It is strange that the there hasn't been clamoring for the crops results there any of the things that. That have gone on in other areas of the country where there's been these kinds of spikes. And you know, you you go, and you do a thorough examination of of habits and practices, and that that has been not even a dressed in favor of, you know, the this this new initiative that comes out of out of nowhere and sets the industry into a chaotic state, essentially. Crop Caesar being done. I mean that's done as a matter of policy. So I wanna right out and be fair to California horse racing board on that specific issue. But you we saw I mean regretfully does a template on how to do this and do it right based on the way New York reacted to the situation that aquit and that has not happened here. You didn't have a situation eight years ago at academic where they had that spike during the winter. And the end result was we wanna reduce Lasix van the whip. And that's just on sensical. It's just it's insane. And to not have address properly. The core issue of why there hasn't been racing. At Santa Anita for the past month is. Complete abdication of their responsibility. As a regulator in my opinion. Is there a vehicle j I know they've got the April meeting, and it it is it is it possible that that they'll they'll circle back at some point. I mean, the agenda the agenda was out there. And it it now that I think now that you bring this all up the Kerr's that wasn't it didn't have an inquest. Portion you know to address some of those things it was as if you know, basically, the agenda was co opted by the the Stronach group initiatives, perhaps, but the agenda. Don't forget the racing board meeting was originally supposed to be last week, and it was postponed this week and racing was postponed this week. We should have been backed up and running last price. Right because they had to re post the agenda for the new meeting owing to the new proposed with discussion slash rules and Lasix discussion slash rules. So there was an opportunity at that point. If they wanted to knowing that this has been going on now for over a month. And don't forget the original suspension of training happened five weeks ago. So it could have been on the agenda yesterday. But it wasn't so yeah, maybe they'll circle back. But what are you waiting for? This is an absolute crisis out here. And there are so many people's lives that have been impacted and are going to continue to be impacted by the decisions that were made yesterday, and to again, not have focused on the main reason that there is no racing at Santa Nita for merely a month is outrageous. I imagine tomorrow on your show. This you've got. Got a a lineup or at least a similar similar portion of the show to address. We'll do stuff on it. You know? We'll also since there's finally racing will do what we usually do which is preview the weeks racing. But this is just been such an extreme situation. We dressed it as it's continued to go on. And and are the show that I do can continue to do it. You know? I've just seen so many things coming out of the meeting yesterday praising and not praising the decisions that were made. But I just want to continue to remind anybody in this sport as I said on my radio show two weeks ago that if you think pita is trying to help you are a naive person. They are completely for the elimination of racing in the press release that Santa Anita instructor initially put out regarding the proposed changes the the open letter as it was titled the Belinda Stronach put out pitas was included in that press release with the following quote that they wanted to wanted to find Santa Anita for quote standing up to all those who have used any means to force injured or unfit horses to run in quote that was an tracks own press release, basically throwing all the horsemen under the bus. And and throwing it on them. If I was a trainer in southern California. And now is how after what went on at this track? That's out track management treated me. I I would be insulted it 'cause it's an insulting thing to say. And then when that press release from Santa Anita from excuse me, the open letter from Belinda Stronach was posted to Twitter, you know, pita had a. A quote that attitude linking to the press release that said quote the following. And this is extremely important. I know it ended up getting taken down. But you know, what this is where they this is their position quote racing must go the way of the animal circus, but this will emanate some of the some of the misery on its way out. So don't try and tell me that they deserve a seat at the table that they're trying to help racing. They're not they wanted to end. And now they're inside. So good luck with that. Because if you think they're going to be appeased by what went on yesterday. You haven't been paying attention to their playbook, and it's an open playbook as one that. If you pay attention to them, you'd be well aware of that they they will continue to be outraged by anything that happens that doesn't include. Lewd. Progression towards the elimination of racing. Do not kid yourself. Because if you are getting yourself like I said earlier, and I'll continue to say you are naive. Well, as certainly an op-ed writer in the TD n take taking right in by it, and and many others. Complete agreement and. There. There needs to be just a pushback of of not just equal but disproportionate amount. Yeah. I know you've got like twenty besides just. Yep. Away here. But. You know, we talk in the sport a lot about how we have to get our message out. We have to get our message out. You know, here's an opportunity to get our message out regarding the whip. The new cushion whip that jockeys have been using a number of years. Now does not mean you. It makes us sound. It's like, it's a it's an encouragement thing. It's not a punishing instrument at all like the old whips jockeys had when I first came around raising those would leave a Mark on a horse. These just have a pop on the end and make it sound. They encourage horses to run horses. Heavy sick. Hide a logical explanation of how this can be used and the steps that have been made to make it a humane instrument and a safety instrument for riders would have been a really good message to put out there. And I know the jockey's guild try to and they just got steamrolled on this. And to me, this was this was an opportunity for the industry to step up to wallow away to second here. We've already taken steps to make this a much better situation here the facts of the situation, and that is that just never happened with the exception of jockeys. There was an agenda here for this too. Happen and it's happened. And I you know, I've lived my whole life in California. You know, I've done to the race. And since I was a kid in California. I've made my living mostly off know being in California racing. I have never been more disgusted and dismayed over the state of California racing than I am right now, you know, and signed God, there's Delmore because what's done on the last month and a half in our Katie is does just been. So dismaying could you can actually not just a month and a half you can roll that you could roll it back to December in. That that that and that that's the part of this that that is really galling is that the the fallacious posture of oh follow away. Follow our lead for betterment of the game with with really with an organization that has been an awful partner for every other section of the of the industry. Now, we're supposed to come running with to follow their lead when they've been out to just strangle and crush everything in their path. Again, this goes back to what I said about the horse board yesterday. When timber was you know, was testifying and making statements yesterday to your point through the suspension of racing were nineteen more races run this year than last year during the same number of days through what was a miserably wet winter here. You know, and there's been an agenda here or mandate to have more and she racing. And while I know they're not gonna have as many races. I still think that that people's feet has not been properly held to the fire over that policy, and how that might have contributed to what went on here. And that was yet another thing that I thought felt the horseracing board punted on yesterday, and your point is very well taken. This is not something that's just gone on for the last month and a half. There has been a systemic problem there for a long time. Jay, I will see you next week. And as always appreciate the frankness as does everybody that tunes into you here and on your show and in written form. I'll see you next week. 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Out of the Gate - Episode 106 - Fountain of Youth Stakes Edition

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38:11 min | 2 years ago

Out of the Gate - Episode 106 - Fountain of Youth Stakes Edition

"Yeah. Welcome to add to the gate daily racing forms weekend. Handicapping preview program. I'm Dan Oldman. Thanks so much for watching. Here's what's coming up in this week's edition of out of the gate. They're only nine graded stakes races at Gulfstream on Saturday and Diarra handicappers. Mike, beer, MAC Bernier, and I will take a look at three of the major ones in this edition of out of the gate. Of course, the Kentucky, Derby prep, the grade to fountain of youth stakes of Cork's, the Kentucky oaks prep, the grade to devoted Dale steaks. And a really nice betting race to close out the card. The grade to MAC Dermott JK Jonathan kitchens play the day focuses on and Gulfstream pick four David era going from time form US spotlights. Three value plays on the Gulfstream card, Nicole Rousseau's gonna take a look at some of the pedigrees of the major three year old contenders in the fountain of youth and Craig mcaliskey's time foreign pace projector focuses on the Honey FOX stakes also at Gulfstream on Saturday. Plus best bet sources to watch and lots lots more. So let's break out of the gate. We begin out of the gate with our horse. Watch segment. Matt you found something out in southern California. Yeah. I gotta be honest. I thought this is a promising debut. This is a horse called galloping mischief. This is debut runner for Richard Mandella. Let's go back to this run last Saturday down the hill widest and fastest of all. And you want to talk about fastest of all this horses are running fool out there. This is the three year old gelding debt. You know, Mandela doesn't normally fire I out of the box when this horse just comes in absolutely runs over the top this field that you're gonna get a little bit green at the end Bob to has left lead. But I thought this is very promising effort. He came home in twenty seven sixteen of the next fastest come home time was almost twenty eight and a half seconds. So this really finished. I would imagine if they don't try the main track next out they'll try to stretch this out to turn on turf that was some serious exceleron in the lane. Mike your horse watch didn't finish like that. But you showed some promise in stakes company in New York. I'd like to take that bat horse to wash offers really are in this daily Princess, though, she did a little run in the stretch to we'll put up the replay for rights I like horses like this dance. She's a little bit. Underrated goes for connections that don't win a ton. But they know what. They're doing and she shows up and runs every time. This is our third career start on dirt. She's run really, well and all of them, and she's a price in this race in steaks and estate. She didn't really have any chance to win the the horse that wins. The race stones in the road. Just got loose on the lead. He she is now an undefeated three for three like to run the source puts in she was out of it at the top of the stretch. She will get up for second. At the end of the big price this Phillies been good at all three. She's got a little bit of potential over the last few years. The Greek trainer. Todd Pletcher is sent some inexperienced horses to Tampa Bay downs. In order to gain confidence in twenty seventeen. It was always dreaming who ended up winning the Kentucky Derby vino row. So that you're also wanna Tampa Bay and route to winning the Wood Memorial last year. It was magnum moon who won an allowance race before doing some really big things on the three year old trail at Oaklawn. And maybe Todd is going to do it again with a three year old named spinoff who made his seasonal in to turn debut last week at Tampa Bay downs. They swing into the stretch in this is already taken the lead. And I just love the way. He accelerated from this field at about the three sixteenths poll now is going to get a little bit green. He's going to stare off into the stands, but he really finishes well over a horse named cave run who's done some good things. Earlier this meet at Tampa Bay spinoff runs an eighty four Beyer speed figure winning by eleven and three quarter lengths he's a half to rugby man takes place towards that's a little bit of a goofball in his own right? But he's just got a beautiful pedigree. He's by hard spun his dam was the grade one acorn winner off dig the damn herself a half to the grade one mother goose winner Zoe impressive and the second dam. Winner of the grade one selene stakes. I think we'll see spin off in a major Kentucky, Derby prep down the road, perhaps not the Tampa Bay derby. But maybe we'll see him at Oaklawn park in a race. Like the rebel. Keep an eye on spinoff for trainer Todd Pletcher. Let's get to some handicapping the Kentucky, Derby prep this week is the fountain of youth. Off the field for a very important Kentucky Derby prep race at Gulfstream Park on Saturday race number thirteen is the great to fountain of youth stakes. Four hundred thousand dollars is the purse. This full field is going mile and a sixteenth four free formulator past performances for the fountain of youth head on over to the race of the day event page at dot com. And for expanded stakes previews of all nine graded races at Gulfstream on Saturday, plus lots lots more head on over to video dot dot com. Or the daily racing form YouTube channel, they'll be uploaded by Friday afternoon vis race goes through the Bill mocked trained hidden scroll. And Matt we talked about hidden scrolls pros and cons on the expanded stakes preview the race of the day. Of course in this race all three of us to try to go against the favourite and Mike your horses and undefeated graded stakes winner. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what coma can do in here for George Weaver tsa's three year old debut off a little bit of a layoff. So you know, he has things working against them here. It's a tough field for his first start back. He's never been in a to turn rates for his first time around two turns. And he's giving away some recent Sita some good horses in here. But this horse ran twice as a two year old, and he ran legitimately well and both of them. Let's look at the second of the of the two starts that grade. Three Nashua one turn mile. You got a nice trip in this race stalking. The pace. I liked the way he takes it over. And then I liked the way he kicks it in here when the runner up network effect comes for him in the stretch. He's a little green here. He started looks like he's trying to lug it a little bit. But we'll straighten himself out when he sees network effect calming. And he finds another gear and finishes. This race off. This source has a lot of talent. I think he might be square price in here when you consider all the other options, and the fact that he's off all those things I'm willing to get this source of chance in this race square. Price gets Lasix for the first time as well for his to turn debut and couldn't work out a nice trip sitting in the second flight. Matt your force lack stakes experience. But what he does have is victory around turns at Gulfstream Park that came in his most recent run this the eight global campaign. Let's go and take a look at that one right now, I recognize a lot of people probably look at it and say, well didn't really beat a heck of a lot not a lot of running going on behind him. I don't think local campaign has ever looked like a loser any point either of his two lifetime starts, and I can understand some reluctance to really buy into this horse considering regressed eight points on the buyer scale. But Dan, we talked about it in stakes previ- he paired up as raw time form ratings of one six those numbers alone are relatively close. I think the paired up numbers suggest a forward move is coming here. And he's another one that's going to be probably pretty close to double digit odds. I wanna give the number one code von or one more chance for trainers should mcgahey. We talk about how Bill mutt? Rarely wins with first time starter and shut doesn't win too often with them either. But code of honor was the debut winner at Saratoga last summer. And then he made his second start in the grade one champagne, and we break from the gate in the champagne, I watch code of honor go right to his nose right there. And that I think compromised. His chances just a little bit. We'll pick up the tape in a bit as they turn into the stretch. And you'll see the code of honor is very very wide swinging into the lane. This is a lot to ask for a horse stretching out a quarter of a mile face in winners for the first time and start number two and you rally solidly to finish second behind favored complexity after this race code of honor had some issues he missed a start in the Breeders Cup juvenile. He missed a start in the rim sin, and he made his three year old debut with very disappointing performance in the mutual. Macho man stakes my opinion of that race is that he was under trained for that race that shook did not have him ready to roll he has been working bullets over the pace and park surface leading up to the fountain of youth. He draws great inside post position. And I'm hoping that John Velazquez can work at a trip in a race where there is a lot of pace I'll go with Kotova honor. He's six to one of the morning line and the fountain of youth to learn more about some of the pedigrees of the horses running in the fountain of youth. We've got Nicole Rousseau's pedigree pick, and then we'll head on over to Craig McAliskey of time for you. US? He's got a paste projector for the Honey FOX stakes on the fountain of youth undercard. Hey, everyone Nicole Russo here for out of the gate ready to take a closer look at the fountain of youth. Here's the field for the race set for Saturday at Gulfstream Park. It offers fifty Kentucky Derby points to the winner. And it's a chance for a few previous graded stakes winners signalman and Vico medicate moving forward. But it also represents a chance for hidden scroll and global campaign to take their first step up to the graded level. Both are coming off. Impressive wins at Gulfstream. Both are regally bread colts with families that will suggest that they would relish more distance. Let's take a closer look at each of them. I will watch hidden scroll as you roll through the stretch on route two fourteen length win in his one mile debut. Here's an eye popping one. Oh, four buyer. Now. He's by classic place hard, spun Sayer of champion and alaba-. Emma, winner questing would Morial winner wicked strong and Gold Cup winner hard aces. He's from a deep John not female family that can also route his second dam is great while winter toy Montag at this is the extended family of multiple grade one winner site seek multiple grade one winner Tate's creek European champion and French one thousand Guineas winner special duty Breeders Cup mile winner expert, I and others. Now, we'll take a closer look at global campaign remaining, unbeaten in two starts with an allowance. Optional win at Gulfstream. He's by classic winner and classic sire kirwin intern by another multiple classic siren. Smart strike kirwin has produced a winner of a triple crown race or a coal who is placed in one of those races from each of his crops, thus far global campaign stamina further bolstered by his female family. He's out of an AP indie mayor whose first two foals were. Sonic mule. A stakes winner at a mile and multiple grade. One winner bolt door who could win around two turns. And who was second in the Santa Anita derby last year to none other than eventual triple crown winner justify the fountain of youth, one of several graded stakes and Saturdays busy program at Gulfstream Park. We're taking you through all of the action out of the gate and up next. We'll get you over to Craig for a closer look at how to use the time for the US pace projector. Hi, this is Craig mccaskey for time for MU s for this week's edition about at the gate today. I'm going to take a look at the Greek three Honey FOX it's being run at Gulfstream Park is the eleventh race on Saturday. And the reason it stuck out to me is that we have it highlighted as a race likely to have a fast pace, I do like to pick a race up. That has some kind of mention of peace projector, and you can notice on our preview page that I highlighted some of the horses that we expect it contend for the lead net lead to this label. We have horseless that as a leader. Although interestingly enough that horses not shown in front in our face projector, mostly because she just hasn't run fast enough, but there's also four other trackers which are horses like to be on or near the front in this case, we have valid Victorian listed as a tracker shown on a clearer lead. And you'll see from reprieve piece, which we're going to look at after we take a quick closer look at the pace for Jek. They're just why that is. Here's a closer. Look at the peace projector. A UNC valedictorian is shown in front. This is just a more expanded view sometimes some horses. Oh, get cut off from that. Smaller version, if you'll see notes if there are any like, if a horse was Ed blinkers, or if there was a European Chipper who hadn't run here, maybe not shown in the face for decker. And it would tell us why. So this is where you would see it. When you see this blown up version. Let's take a look about the Taurean. We did have said as a tracker and looking at the PP juke and see why she's won three of her last five starts on all turf. She's won twice wire-to-wire, which is also shown that the mention where she can reach just off the pace and win. So we don't want to call her speed horse or leader. But given the velocity she shown she's a worse week spec to be in front, and I also think despite the fast paced exited nation that she's going to run pretty well in here. She shown can handle a fast pace if she gets clear and still run. Well, she showed his able to set a slow pace last time. Met's is indicated by those fractions with our speed fingers are really consistency. Roy runs in the upper mid one teens so solid contender ear. She's not going to be my selection as we'll see soon. But I do think she will run well next. I wanna take a look at the morning lights savored odds, Bella vase, and you know, eating cheese one two zero s three her speed figures are similar I just I just don't think she's all that fast. She's moving up little bit in competition to the horse that I am going to eventually inches tepid three to one morning line favorite. I actually don't think she's going to go off the favourite. Do wanna mention one other thing with her is that you'll see I highlighted that the race to back was over good track. There's a new time formula's feature where we tell you just how firm we think the track was on a scale of one that tan, and they she didn't run quite as well as the other are Osler. She was beaten four. Uh three and a half Wentz in fourth. I could've easily been that the fast pace, which we have highlighted in red. But we also think maybe she didn't handle the the softer turf as well. Another horse the third choice on the morning line at four two one is don't Chailly, and she's course, if you just spoke at her speed fingers, she solid enough. She always seems the runner run of ratios hit the board each of the six starts, and I'm showing here and all of the dirt was a little bit of her rushing speed figure west, but on the turf, they're all between one nine one fifteen so solid effort. But I just don't think that's going to be good enough to get it. Get it done in here. And again, I'm not a big fan of this morning line because I'm gonna move onto the horse that I do thanks gonna win and for lack of knowing how to pronounce it perfectly. I'm just gonna car precious ahead. It's. Little bit tough to pronounce didn't have time to look it up. But she is the two horse in here. She runs for Chad Brown, you know, the premier turf trainer in the country. It's not at one of the premier trainers in the country period. And she just trying to huge one twenty six figure to race where we do think. There's some 'patio has by far the best time for US late speed rating, which you can see on that preview page again, I cut that part off on the individual PP's, but it's also shown in our product as well for each other. She can see him. But I liked to compare them on the preview page or you can see them all at one glance of the one node. I won't make yours notice that race reading right next to the Saratoga. August fourth rates rating was a one twenty but we have a little owed there. And that's what we call one of our question Mark codes where we don't have complete confidence in the speed figure in this case, the ohm means it was the only race. I was the only turf Reese run a territory that day on the end or surface. Other may have been one on the. Outer I didn't look we treat those two different courses. So it was the only race run on the enter in those cases what I like to do is. I click on the top three. You sit union won the race. In our past performance is click on that it'll open up the chart. I when I do open up that chart, I take a look and see how the worse is done. If they come back and back up that figure and a quick look at the chart here shows that the horses have they've all run as good or better, or at least very similar as third police horse had a slight regression. But the the winner has come back the run to Grace's you can excellent scroll through the figures in Seattle at all our next to that one twenty two year, look even further into the future. But despite that designation it was the only turf receipts figures of held up. Well, and I have no problem thinking that precious here is a standout. I don't think we're going to get anywhere near that seven the two morning line. I'd be surprised if she's not less than two one. I shall pry be in the three to maybe even seven the five range. With this is a horse. I'm gonna go Nin on heavily in both horizontal verticals. I'm gonna single or I'm going to keep her in vertical bets and looked to make a score. Elsewhere in Olympic get some other horses that I got underneath. So that does it for this week for time formula out of the gate, OPN joy that look at the Honey FOX and I'll be back next week with a new race. Are you course, player looking to raise your game for over a hundred and twenty years expert handicappers have relied on daily racing form. As there must have source for news and data, featuring exclusive buyer, speak figure time formula's paste and integrated replay DEA ref formulator is the most powerful handicapping tool on the market today us what the pros us go to dot com slash formulator and Hendrik O D R f- TV to get your first card free DR F dot com. Raise your game. Welcome back to add to the gate. Let's throw up the field for the Devonian. Dale stakes Carter's race number twelve at Gulfstream on Saturday. This a one turn mile. It is a great to for two hundred thousand dollars. You are two to five morning line. Favorite is twenty eighteen two year old filly champion. Jay, walk for expanded stakes previews of all the graded stakes races at Gulfstream this weekend and lots lots more head on over to video dot dot com. Or the daily racing form you to channel Mike, obviously, the story of this race is Jay walk. Let's talk a little bit about the second choice on the morning line. The number seven, high regard graded stakes placed in her own, right. Yeah. Not not too bad this Bill. She's sort of was coming along and stages as a two year, we're gonna show a replay of an allowance race at Keeneland. This is right off of her maiden. When did come in a one turn mile Churchill, this is her first art after that to turn mile? Can you see your sort of over a tough spot there behind horses? She can't get clear and she's going to have to. Course after the winner is already got momentum and going by. So I think she actually ran okay in this race exiting this spot. She was stakes place in the rags-to-riches. She ran okay. And the Goldenrod greatest things at the end of the year race. It did not have any at all. If he gets a better setup here shouldn't get a piece of us. But she liked the rest of the Phillies in this race are going to have to have a nail Don tight to be jaywalk did so much in such a short amount of time last year mad. I mean four starts. She went from a five furlong maiden winner at parks to a Breeders Cup champion. Guess you're in five times last year five different tracks. And she'll kick things off your and twenty nine thousand nine at another tricks of six tracks six races. Let's go back to the Breeders Cup. She went out there and put the boots to pretty well. I suppose. Subpar field that you have a couple of good horses that have come back and done some good things. Bell of FINA came back and won a graded stakes race was a ninety five and Seren Getty. Empress? She won her stakes race with ninety one. I gotta be honest with you guys. I think she's the controlling speed in here should breaking from the rail. I know this is a means to an end, but I couldn't get to cute. I think she's too much for this field. I go with Matt on this. She just towers over this base. I did as a two year old. We'll say let's maybe you don't wanna take shot against this at the time to get right off the lineup breaking from the rail. But to mention looks good for these orces, she might have a pace advantages. Well, it seems like all the stars are aligning for the very talented. Jay walk. I don't want to have too much money in against her. But I will take a little stab with the number six, bold script. It's worth mentioning the quality work that this Philly did on turf and synthetic last year at Woodbine. She was third in the grade one that tell Talamo on the grass and inner synthetic debut. Most recent start the Princess Elizabeth stakes. She destroyed this field going mile in a sixteenth. She turns into the. Taken over this thing, and Gary Buluan shea is going to ride or with the utmost confidence she draws away to win by almost eight lengths. It's a career-best eighty three Beyer speed figure. I just wish this Philly had more dirt pedigree. She's by spice down who, of course, can get you a dirt runner, but when you look at the female family, it is all turf and synthetic what allays my fears somewhat is that bold script has worked several bullets over the palm meadows dirt training track. Maybe bold script is ready to catch the favourite off the layoff. She's going to be a much better price. But just certainly got to use the big favourite as an a in any kind of multiple race. Wagers small step for me with bold script in the Devonian. Dale will move to the dirt to the turf the McDermott looks like a fantastic bedding race. Salty older turf forces go eleven furlongs in the MAC Dermott stakes at Gulfstream on Saturday. Let's throw up the field parades, number fourteen two hundred thousand dollars purse for expanded stakes previews of all the graded races at Gulfstream on Saturday, plus lots lots more head on over to video DR dot com. Or the daily racing form YouTube channel, we'll have a mall uploaded by Friday afternoon. Matt Zulu alpha has just merged as a consistently good turf runner and his tactical. Speed allows them to get great trips. It seems every time you runs and you wanna talk about a great trip. This is how you draw up for turf race. This is the dream situation. Let's go back to the McKnight Andy CAPP and his most recent start going to say he's those pink. Silks ortiz. Got the mount you're saving ground. You're sitting in the pocket. You tip out to the two path. Everything is opens wide and you split through. We'll get one hundred Riley and a little bit on the outside. But I mean you wanna. About the perfect scenario for a turf trip. It's exactly what this horse got. Now. I think you can look at that one or two ways and say, you're right. He's a nice horse. It usually works out those kind of trips that same time at a short price. I don't know that I wanna gamble on the fact that everything may or may not work out. Again, exactly the way it didn't make night. I think he's a very logical runner. I wanna take a little shot against him. No zoo ALPHA's hot horse is a sharp horse. But you could argue Mike that on his very best day channel maker is the best horse. Yeah. I think it's pretty clear when you go through this race top to bottom that if channel maker shows up runs his best race in this by maybe. Well, maybe won't. But if he does he's just going to be really hard to be in this race. I'm willing to give him excuses for his last two starts. We're going to go back three starts on his car. This is the great one. Joe Hurst classic bell park. He got right through the lead in this race. He turned away challenger around the second turn of this race. And I was gonna turn away another challenge from Robert Bruce here in the stretchy stays strongly. He's much the best in this race with a one away Beyer speed figure, I know post eleven guys, maybe it'll. Compromise chances a little bit. But I like the Joel Rosario back up or the source Joel was largely responsible for getting more involved early last summer. I think it led to dramatic improvement for him. And I think even with post eleven Joe is going to make sure he gets forward this time. And to me he's just the best source on the race. If he shows up excuses in his last two races wicked speed duel in the Breeders Cup Turf. Just didn't get anywhere near as customary and comfortable spot near the early lead last time out in the Pegasus turf. Getting back to hunter O'Reilly, Matt. And you and I both liked the blast time despite the long layoff. He was the first time gelding, and to be honest that was very proud with the way he ran I thought he really well too. When you consider this off of such a long lay-off very very testing turf. Course, they're down at Gulfstream that Davor yielding. And then we're gonna throw up the replay. And you can see how much ground he's giving up in the grand scheme. He's on the floor outside in again considering he'd been gone for such a long time. This is far from a disgraceful effort from this horse. I think he's only going to take a step forward. Here. You're going to get firm going here on Saturday afternoon down at Gulfstream. I don't know, Dan. I think I have to obligated to give them another chance of double digits. I'm with you. I'm gonna go with hundred Riley is well and a little bit concerned about the possibility of firm turf because this is a horse that has had foot problems in his career. And maybe that yielding turf course actually worked to his favor last time out, but that was his first race off the long layoff as we mentioned his first race as gelding. And the last time you went second off the layoff for Jimmy toner here into one. Oh, three Beyer speed figure. He's the kind of horse than his race luck and paste dependent. Let's hope he gets a trip under Tyler gaffe Alina. Here's a good price on the morning line hunter O'Reilly at ten to one. And I'll give him a chance as he makes his second start of the form cycle. J K Jonathan Kinchen's play the day. He's got a pick four wager at Gulfstream. And then David our of time form US looks at three value plays on Saturdays Gulfstream card. Let's get to those segments right now. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Jake as play of the day derby season upon us the fountain of youth next couple weeks, we typically derby, then we're we're gonna act would've no glum saying Nita, very exciting. Time of the year where these three year olds starved to to remind us of the possibilities of what what can happen with a horse like American pharaoh or justify or even your favorite derby win that didn't happen to win. A triple crown. We're gonna play a pick for at Gulfstream Park. They got a ton of steaks. I think they have nine graded stakes on Saturday. We're going to play the late pick for it's a race starting and race eleven the Honey FOX this is called my take what the defense gives you play. Now. Look a lot of people make fun of me for the chalk that I picked. But it's a real thing that I do I find favorites that I can lean on and sequences, and I try to Hamer those sequences listened to the podcast we often say try to crush their souls. I'm gonna try to do that. And this sequence here with two singles and then two races. Where I'm only gonna use to horses and the first leg I'm going to single the one presi use to Horford for Chad Brown. He had first time he had the horse ran in Saratoga and the soft. She ran really well that day was beaten by looney who is a is one of the more talented runners and Chad Brown's turf born, and she was right there with her on a soft ground coming in off quite a layoff two hundred ten days last three works have been on the turf course, Chad doesn't usually bring them over there short. This one shown a ton of talent on that. Soft course running a figure that none of these other horses are really getting close to Torah in terms of time for us. I'm going to start with a single there. She seven to two on the morning line. However, I don't believe she'll be seven to two in the pick four sequence. And I don't even think she'll be seventy two in the wind pool. Going onto the next race. I'm not gonna waste much your time here and the devoted Dale. I'm is cold. Jay walk. I think she's the best three year old filly in the country. She showed that Breeders Cup day. And I think she'll show it again here as she gets ready for her truck trail to the. Kentucky oaks onto the thirteenth race of us to horses. Here code of honor is not one of them. I get maybe some people thought the horse had an excuse last time. I thought the horse ran too bad to to really lean on here at what should come down from six to one. I think I only need to horses but coma the five horse horse for George. Weaver ran really well some races in New York. I think that horses sitting on a big race and that hidden scroll, I get it. The flashy number was on on a sloppy racetrack. But the thing that I'm most impressed when it comes to that horse is that it was Bill Maher I out from the rail showing speed wire-to-wire that shows a lot of talent that's not something that you normally see from from Bill Maher horses. I think hidden scrolls, the real deal, he might not be your derby winner. I do think he's your fountain of youth winter going onto race fourteen. The last leg mile and three eighths on the turf, I always looked to see where Mike maker has one in here. And he does have one ensue alpha who ran well last time, I'm gonna use zoo alpha, and then I'm gonna use channel maker who's a horse that I've. Picked some big grade ones on these kind of turf marathons so to not use them in this spot might be a little bit silly, obviously had an excuse with kind of a weird ride. And then also the yielding surface that showed up on Pegasus World Cup day. Those the only two I need here. Look, I'm going to try to have this depending on your budget. I'm gonna try to have a ten dollar pick four twenty five dollar pick four a fifty dollar pick four I'm going to try to hammer the sequence right here in what I think is very straightforward sequence. There's no reason to really reach outside the box to me the favorites are the types that you can lean on good luck. See an actually. Hi, everyone. I'm David Arrigoni. But this week's time formula spotlight. There's a smorgasbord of excellent stakes races on Saturday at Gulfstream Park. Found of youth is the highlight of the entire card, but I want to take a look at three of the undercard stakes races starting with the fifth race the Canadian turf and the number three horse holiday. Stone is a long shot in this race that I think is really worthy of consideration. Breaking the rules is going to be a big favorite in this race coming off to visually. Impressive scores. One Gulfstream Park and one at Belmont Park, but in his turf debut, he was actually defeated by holiday stone way back in September at Saratoga of last year. Holiday stone read well that day earning a one twenty three time formula speed figure a repeat of that number would make him very competitive against this field. And I don't think breaking the rules is a horse that necessarily has to win this race as he stepped up in class. It's not as if speed figures make him any kind of horse that has a huge edge on this field and holiday stone has run well enough to win stakes races at this level in the past. And his recent efforts are a little bit. Better than they seem. He was against the pace to back. And then last time if you watch that trip, it's unfortunate, but the chart caller just completely missed the trouble that he had in that simple. Comet outrun inside. This is a horse that was down on the rail coming to the top of the stretch in a race. The completely collapsing ahead of him. He ended up in behind a few speed horses. Just going nowhere the horses did well in that L pro or making wide moves closing down the center of the track and holiday stone. Just got robbed of all his momentum. While he was studying down inside the late stages. He never got a chance to run that day. He's much better than that. And I think the pay situation of this race is going to make him much more dangerous because the time formulas pays projector is predicting a situation favoring runners front, and he's predicted to be in a solid stock and position. So I think holidays is an interesting horse to use as an alternative to breaking the rules, especially to get around that eight to one morning line price moving onto the seventh race in the very one. I wanna take a shot at the number one horse dance land this horse again that just had a terrible trip last time. Charcoal. Didn't miss this one. She was legitimately steadied at multiple points. In the stretch drive last time, John Velasco is just seem to by chance. Make all the wrong moves coming into the quarter pole on this horse. She was inside ridden into traffic. He tried to go outside with her. She encountered traffic again went back inside at the eighth coal. And there's just nowhere for her to run. He really didn't get a chance to write her out to the finish. And she finished with way more left in the tank than he would have liked dance. Land handles the my own sixteenth distance. I think that's actually really perfect for her. She ran well to back against solid graded stakes company in the Long Island handicap that mile three eighths if anything was a little bit far for her. I think she's going to enjoy the cutback to a my own three sixteenths. And I just don't think there's anybody that former in this race because holy Halina who's the morning line favorite. She's a bit inconsistent at times. I don't think she has to win this race. And tricky escape, you know, she's very dangerous. It listed stakes races grade three types, which this is. But I mean, she's really does have a ceiling. And I think dance land is should mcgahey horse. Classic type of you know. Horse that he has that improves over time improves with age. And I think she can take another step forward in this very one six to one on the morning line seems like a fair price on this horse. Finally in the fourteenth race the race. After the interview the mcdiarmid I wanna take a shot with a bomb in this race, the number three or smell Mitch. I know is recent performances and his recent speed figures just make him look a little too slow but going back his Woodbine efforts at the end of twenty eight and he was in a bunch of slow paced races racist that just played out in a fashion that really didn't allow him to use his strength. And I think his efforts in all of those races are just not quite as bad as they seem at one time. This was a horse that was certainly classy enough to stack up against a field like this. I mean, there was a time back in two thousand seventeen when he was running time formula speed figures of one thirty and above those numbers would crush this field. Now, the question is can you transfer that Senic synthetic form to Turkey and last time out you might say, oh, well, he only got a one ten time from your speed and figure that's not good enough. Well, that was that was on the short side for him. He was far back in the early. And he was just finishing like a freight train through the stretch she was passing horses at a very high rate. It's not like it was a race that fell apart or anything like that. Even though the time for US pays figures are color coded red. It's not a race that collapsed at the end and moment was just closing much faster than anybody else at the end of that race while having to weave through traffic. I was really impressed by the impressed. Just by the visual for him from visual standpoint, as he was closing that day in galloped out so strongly he's going to have no trouble stretching out to the mile three eighths because he's one as far as a mile three quarters on this track and just looking through his main competitors in this race channel maker who's going to be the favorite. I know. He's the class of the field, and he will win if he gets back his best performances from thousand eighteen but he's been somewhat fortunate in his big wins. And I just don't think channel maker is necessarily at the same place that he was back in two thousand eighteen and he's a little bit hard for me to take off that dole effort in the Pegasus turf invitational last time, and then the number six through the wealth of another one that's likely to take money. He got an off. Awesome trip last time in the McKnight under a rod Ortiz just got through at the right time in a race. That was about to fall apart. Got the jump on his main rivals. And I'm not sure that I really like him getting back on a firm, turf course, his horse that's appreciated some given the ground in the past. And I think both of these favorites are Volna Rable. Mel Mitch is getting a writer. Switch to have your Castellano. He's going to be a big price in this race. And I think he's going to make a big run the leaders late and can get into the top three. I'll use them to win. But I also wanna use this horse inexact as and trifecta so that three horses that may offer some value on Gulfstream Saturday card Nelson. It back to the studio. Time for our best bet segment here on out of the gate. Great racing Gulfstream on Saturday. Matt where you going? I'm going to go stream race number five. It's the Canadian turf at a mile on grass. Obviously, this may not be the most likely winner of the race. But the short comment line for the number three holiday stone little bit on the uncharitable side. The short comments is out run inside. Let's throw up the tape. You tell me if this is out run inside he's the number two right now. And it looks like he's ready to roll beneath our meal, he's down on the inside. The problem is again, we talk about it in turf racing. All the time you're at the mercy of patient trip. Well, the pace was there for him to run at the problem is the trip just didn't develop because at this point everyone else is coming on the far outside. They've got a full head of steam and this horse holiday stone is buried inside horses. And he's going to end up almost dead. Last shuffled back. He never any points is allowed to get going. And I just think that this race is considerably better than it looks. I think there were also three other races prior to that you can make excuses for. You go through all those your left for the pretty big effort at Saratoga within ninety six by he's eight one on the line. He was not outrun inside. He's just never had a chance to run. That's why you watch races. Folks. He wasn't outrun inside. Mike, look like one of those Meadowlands three hole trips that didn't work out where you going with your best bet. Yeah. I'm going to upstream as well. Ray sevens. The very one grade three on the turf mile and three sixteenths. I like one dance land typical runner from this bar and just sort of getting better with racing dance land for showing mcgahee, I like the campaign. She put together last year as a four year old. She ran well on the Long Island. I thought to starts back closing ground throughout this is her next start her most recent start down at Gulfstream Park. We're going to look at the replay. Now, this is another sort of similar to match source was buried around the second turn behind doors as you can see Johnny v and stretch, you just can't get anywhere for her to run and she will wind up last from here. She doesn't have any chance. I think she's better than she looks on paper. I think this is a good distance for her. And at the end of the day. This is just a kind of race where I don't really like to favorite. I think she's as good as any of them with the. I trip I think she can win. I'll go to Gulfstream to replace as well recently before is the grade three Palm Beach for three year olds on the grass, and I'm hoping that the number six louder than bombs can turn the tables on the number five a threat of blue they faced each other earlier last month in the dania beach steaks, and we'll turn into the stretch of that race the threat of blue just got absolutely loose. That day is the favourite letter bombs is kicking down towards the inside. You could see the puck. Lopez wants to try to angle out three wide. And that's just not there. He's going to have to tap on the brakes ever so slightly now he's going to come through down towards the inside. He probably doesn't catch threat of blue iffy gets through with the perfect trip. But I thought all all the horse ran well to be second. This time around threat of blue his even money in the morning line. And they're just might be a little bit more pace to keep that horse company on the front end. I'm hoping that louder than bombs would benefit from a faster pace this time around he's three to one on the morning line. And he switches to I read or TS June. We thank you for watching out of the gate this week. And we urge you to follow all of TV's offerings. Please follow on social media at D R F video and for the latest news and notes from America's turf authority daily racing form. Please follow on Twitter at Diarra f- inside post. That's.

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - August 14th 2020

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - August 14th 2020

"Welcome to the weekend stakes preview on the horse racing radio network presented by naira. Vets? With skydiver the leader at the quarter pole founding clear by two lengths. Now, Tumor Neat than speech there at the top of the stretch and swift skydiver in cruise control coming to the Furlong Paul. Speech on the outside moves into second and then it's Mirny they're coming to the sixteenth and swift's skydiver has a three length lead speech very honest trying her best. But swift skydiver brings her skills to the west coast and she robbed in the Santa Anita the well well-traveled Philly. was much the vet. Speech, was second Mirny Third Regal beauty for him. Now here's Anthony Stabile and Bobby Newman. Everyone welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by Naruebet here on the Horse Racing Radio Network on the big a Anthony Steel in Saratoga where we get ready for tomorrow's grade one Alabama in the Saratoga Derby invitational down in. South. Florida. Tag Team Partner Bobby Newman, our producer Leila Pena's back in our Lexington Kentucky Studios Action from Saratoga Delmore the final. Trip on the road to the Kentucky Derby takes us down the shore to Monmouth Park. They haven't action packed Saturday. Card. Highlighted by the plate trial in the Woodbine, oaks got one over there on Sunday as well. Happy Friday bobby. Happy Friday D my friend looking forward to great racing around the continent this weekend. Yup around the continent is bobby mentioned we'll go. East Coast. West Coast. North of the border. I'd say all points in between without be alive because that's all we're really doing going taking the borders and The North country otherwise known as Canada. If you WANNA play along with all that action had opened in Ira- that's dot. COM overran new account. The Promo Code is HR in. Twenty. You put in two hundred once you bet four hundred. Within two weeks, that two hundred bucks will be back in your account head over to narrow vets dot com for more details derby bankroll. Builder Continues Tomorrow with the Great One, Alabama that at least fifty dollars to win on the APP or on the website no telephone that's but if you use it. Dot Com or the Naruebet. APP. And give them a follow on twitter as well. They send out a bunch of great stuff at naira bats. If you bet fifty dollars or more on your selection integrate one. Alabama. You will get twenty win or lose. You'll get twenty bucks towards your Kentucky Derby Bankroll that money will be put into your account on Thursday. September. Third. So we'll get you ready for OAKS DERBY HIDDEN ARAB DOT com for more details cross country trek five whole nine yards over at naira vets dot com right? Let's get right into the action about the Saratoga Derby. Derby Race number eight mile, and three sixteenths. On the Melon Turf Forces, the Outer Surf Force here at this. Get a field of eight here including two from Christoph Lamont decorated invader. Think, you'd be hard pressed to three year. Olds are forcing this country right now. Maybe his biggest competition comes from right down the shadow on the stop going on born with Gusto decorated invaded a number two, seven, two, five, one, phone nine to two breaking from post. Five. And decorate invader already three three time graded stakes winner couple of back to back grey to wins in the nine region hall of fame has last two starts. He also won the summer stakes at Woodbine on a yielding trip course last year he's the logical favourite in here. He's very little wrong in his career I just happen to think. For Race Ever Ron Turf for number six Colonel Liam against allowance competition as least as good. If not better than any race decorated invader has run Colonel Liam by Liam's map out of the Bernardini mayor amazement cost one point two, million dollars at sale in April of Twenty nineteen ran pretty well on the dirt is first two starts. But when he got onto the turf, he ran fantastic and he'd be in La Hora that I think is pretty good and he beat them very easily. The extra distance should not hurt his Janssen's in fact I think it will help his chances. The only thing I don't like is the fact that Iran Ortiz. Colonel Liam to that win sticks with domestic spending in this spot instead now maybe that's just sticking for horses ridden twice for Chad Brown. Maybe it was a tough call but I think Colonel Ian Getting Heavier Castellano aboard his last race points him out to me as a serious force and I think he's going to be one of the best turf forces in the country. So I'm going to pick him for the minor upset. He's seventy two on the morning line while Damon Colonel Am for. Bobby Newman. Yeah that Dan amazement she was out of wonder again, it was a multiple grade one winner for trainer Jimmy. Toner Phillips racing owned her they read this cult filings map big ticket price one, point two, million as a two year old last year he can win. So the Harrow broke his maiden for forty thousand, one starter allowance. And junk knew was coming off a year plus layoff he did it the right way colonel get me wrong but. I kind of want to see it again, and I've seen it enough from decorated invader He is just gotten better and better I. Think as the distances get longer up until about a mile a quarter I'm looking forward to seeing him stuff I. Think he's going to get the money. I'll tell you what go phone might be the one that won't even more than the mile and three sixteenths in the mile and a quarter. He's got that big kick and he can also sustain his rallies and it's very impressive John Velazquez. Going to be his. Fourth Different Ride Ernest six different software. It's tough. That's no respect I feel like I wish I had Rodney dangerfield impressionable Frank Monty does four five would a third place finish for different riders? Jock on sources back but he gets hall of Famer and John Velazquez and Christoph, Lamont used to reach out to Johnny v a little bit more than he does now, just three starts together in the last nineteen months. That's a very small number, but back in the day. Just four or five years ago they would team up more frequently and they usually very lethal when they when they teamed up. So he reaches off John Alaska's and those are the two I want currently maybe a little bit but I think. We get the job done emissary Cova, Derby, invitatinal decorated invader over Gluco for me the big ones raise nine on Saturday, the grade one, Alabama half million dollars on the line the roll call of winners of this historic stages mile and a quarter race with a three zero phillies is long lustrous field of seven in here. All Eyes on Chris Skydiver Tyler Gaffney Leeann wrote her and her first to starks, and then she went on A. Journey, from Churchill, downs at took it a Tampa, the fairgrounds Gulfstream Oaklawn Santho Nita Keelan, and now Mecca up at the old spa and Mike Smith has been her regular rider last two starts because of Protocols Mike Smith Camp come in to ride her at Saratoga. So Tyler Cathlene backboard she's certainly the one to beat in this spot coming off that try in the bluegrass time out against art collector who? Looks like Al One of the ones as far as the Kentucky Derby goes in the three year old male picture. I think Swiss skydiver will either make the lead or sit just outside crystal ball and she'll be tough to beat probably be in front by the time they turned for home. She's my top pick, but I'm going to spread in this package I think her stablemate number one, Abu Tot and number two spices. Nice. Are Both phillies that are capable of the minor upset here spices nice ran very well. Beating a lesser competition last time actually be a pretty good philly and same wa but the rest of the field wasn't that much behind her I. Think she's always been thought of as a good filly for todd, pletcher and Abu Todd has been following all along. She was no match for speech and Venetian. Harbour last time out of Keeneland I. Think she's capable of better than that and I think she will appreciate the extra distance going a mile and a quarter she's worked well at Saratoga twice since getting up there. You and I saw this race completely differently I want the phillies that. Have a little more. I don't WanNa say class to them but. I want the phillies that I think are going to handle this mile and a quarter and I don't see. The race goes through skydiver. Obviously. I don't think she's going to win tomorrow. Now, I'M GONNA play pick fours and fives was that's what I do and I'm going to use her defensively. But. I just don't think and look her forms flattered by the fact that she beats speech. Hanley the oaks and speech came back to win pretty easily in the Ashland. She second in the bluegrass against the boys last time the set in the patient art collector there's going to be the second choice in the Kentucky Derby after his happy Ellis. Park. Derby win last Sunday at Ellis Park I get all that. I just don't know if Philly wants to sat at ground You know the amount of sixteenth races very impressive but. She beat affiliate Venetian harbour in the fantasy that. She's a sprinter and she beat speech when she had the run of the race in a force field I. Don't know about her getting this mile and a quarter I'm gonNA use her but I'm going to try and beat, and I'm going to try and beat it with money South and Bonnie south. At of the blinkers for her third stock trainer Brad Cox, but Amman, she win she took advantage of real hot patient. oaklawn Park to get the money she came back to win the fairgrounds. Oaks got a good setup that they too, and then off of that march to July off. Almost four months. She. Did Not get a good set of she had a terrible setup in. The Ashland she was a lot closer to the patients you only as and it wasn't that she was a lot closer to a slow pace. She was a lot closer to a fast enough pace. This is not her game her game is. Anchor and make one run. She gets the best one of the best riders in the country to do that neurotic junior back for the first time she gets them pasted here. Crystal Ball was second which include American oaks to the now sideline Paris lights you got off lieutant from the rail. So skydiver has plenty of speed. I think Bonnie south gets the right trip. I know she's a munnings and you might say you're going to try and get a mornings a mile amount a quarter. She's gotten better as the distances have gone longer and I think she's GonNa. Get the job done. I. Also like Harvey's a little oil. Last. Time out she got the job on a turf I. Think she got the job on the turf because she's just a good filly period I think she's a dirt horse should a terrible trip in the fantasy she can get a great Russian and get a good trip when she was five to one this skydiver I'm throwing that race out her dirt races are. Daylight scores I'm going to try Bonnie South and hobbies a little oil to beat Swiss skydiving tomorrow mile and a quarter half million a line in the grade. One Alabama that wraps the Saturday action at Saratoga will visit. The old spa again, a little later on in the program out West, the turf meets the Surfeit del Mar. the Salon beach goes as race number nine on Saturday flat mile for the state bred fillies. Logo passed away the first time make one circuit come pass the second time just a field of. Seven in here, and we have an eight to five one one favorites before Muccio unusual Tim Yak team and Flavian Pratt and boy bobby. We talk about the clean the drop from Medan. Claim as being the biggest drop in racing. The I present. Muccio. Unusual drop to the state bred fillies from the competition. She's been keeping as a rival to biggest robin raising. Her last nine races her last eight races have been against graded stakes competition last nine races against open company. Last time she ran against state breads, ten races ago. In the Calcutta at Santa Anita, she won by three lengths and she's a better philly now than she was then she's been running against phillies like rushing fall Jolie Olympic, keeper of the stars got, stormy and actually not running poorly in some of those races. Picks up. Southern California writer, Flavian products actually ridden or a in the past and one abort her I. Think she'll have some pace to run out and I, just think she's better than this field Cordiality will probably get the lead big sweep maybe pressing and I think mutual unusual will becoming from a little bit off pace and she's just going to be too good for this field. A mile is probably not her best and she might want to go further than that. But I think class rains and eight to five is a if you can get eight to five I, think you should take it. If you get eight to five things you take as much as you possibly can. She may have the rundown, her stablemate cordiality for Tim Yeah Kim who's going to be on the front end in here like you said, big sweep we'll probably be just laughed right onto her but or geology off a year plus layoffs second time off that lay job done in the Austin Nita's last time over the course at Delmar and. She's runwell everywhere, but she really likes down three for six and a couple of seconds over two, hundred, seventeen, thousand and earnings down in the San Francisco area. We'll see if cordiality can hold off our entry stablemate I. Don't think you can which unusual for me in recent number nine, the Solana beach right I segment in the books. For we let you go to break. Follow us to break. We want to let you know that will be bringing you some coverage of the woodbine stakes the next couple of segments and that stakes racing returns this weekend, it would bind with the half million dollar Woodbine oaks also on the car of several prominent stakes races a couple on the turf two's. DANCE SMARTLY STAKES IN THE KING EDWARD STAKES GRADE THREE BOLD venture stakes joins the Woodbine oaks all weather as does the plate, the plate trial stakes that's a prep for the Queen's plate. 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This is the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets and Cadet. Katelyn. In front by a length at a half in second is please call me back. Then zoological down the outside decorated invaded vitality is getting to work as well. White talking's finishing on decorated invaded coming with a rush decorated it on the outside enough. The rails finishing is proven strategies decorated. US. Got To the front by telling down the outside but decorated invaded with lots. Lock slept wins the summer stakes by a length and three quarters. Katelyn vitality with proven strategies on the inside in a three way foot for the Maynas with a very big win by decorated invader one, thirty, six, thirty, four. Probably Geller on the call of the summer the grade one decorated invader. Favorites. E favorite, in fact, in the Saratoga Derby mutational tomorrow and they got five stakes at Woodbine will get to the now here on the weekends stakes preview presented by Nyerere backs you're on the horse racing radio network, the big and Bobby Newman taking you through a fantastic Friday evening before we get back to the states action time now for the. Blood Horse News update a look at the top headlines from blood horse DOT COM. California Chrome Science I North American winner Freshman Patriot Zeier. California chrome side is first North American Winter August thirteenth with his daughter. Scylla won her second start at six four made especially at Delaware Park by seven and a quarter lengths on a sloppy. Track. So as a home bred for owner P, del Ladner an owner breeder. Brett brakeman partners, bread this phillies Louisiana out of the. Greater place stakes winner sitting at the Bar Ladan. Brakeman also raced. 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I, can say is a non crummy about California, chrome starring Russia, but I will leave it all alone. The Pegasus speaking of the Kentucky Derby is the last stop on the point trail to Louisville this year. And it's run at Monmouth Park Mile and a sixteenth goes race ten on the Saturday card, a field of. Eight set to go to post. All eyes will be on pneumatic trainer hall of Famer. Steve. asmussen said, we'll look for some derby points. We're GONNA try to get to the Kentucky Derby Joe Bravo going to ride the son of Uncle Mo Bobby. There's always been a fan of since day one I have is I two races at Oaklawn I thought were fantastic. He did not get a very good. Ride facing stakes competition in the Matt a Churchillian still only beaten a less than two lengths by Max `field that day, and then he tried the Belmont in his next start and was overmatched just like everybody was by Tis, the law but really not far behind everyone else's he finished fourth in the Belmont stakes picks up Joe Bravo. WHO Backed dominating his dominating ways at. At oaklawn Pi, sorry at Monmouth Park winning it about a thirty percent clip this meat and because of the Protocols Ricardo Santana cannot make it from his home base right now at Saratoga to ride pneumatic as you normally does but you get very replacement in Joe Bravo. Interesting thing about this race Anthony is to me most of this field. Is. Has the same running style, their kind of pace presser stalkers and I think pneumatics best style is coming from a few links out of it. So I hope Joe Bravo takes him a few links off the pace and let's the pace unfold in front of them and tries to make one think pneumatic is the best worst of the race and if he gets the right trip I think you'll win. Yeah, I didn't have much to say about this race I just think pneumatics the best horse. and He's the kind of horse where I think if he gets into the Kentucky Derby, if that's the plan here on. I don't think it's to be a problem getting him in I think he'll have plenty appoint you know I think whatever points he has from the Belmont. The Matt Win Whenever he's GonNa get tomorrow probably the twenty from the winter. She should meet these sources I think sky scanner from the relegates pair blinkers for Jeremiah Dwyer. Romero Mirages a bread and butter is being aggressive. So I imagine he's GonNa break from the relative blinkers and our con- for Mike Pino the shadow home the Chadwell four, hundred fifty thousand dollar purchase excuse me Parks Delaware to sprints twenty to forty five. He's on a bill daily I think some some some pace on as well Yeah I'm not worried about pace. The pneumatic gets the money and gets the Louisville in three weeks for the one hundred and forty six derby top selection in race ten from all the Pegasus Those Twenty Kentucky Derby points to the winner all right up at Woodbine. Five stakes kicks off with agreed to dance smartly and race three mile quarter for the phillies and says, this is on the EP tell her force they have a mile and a half of course it would by this starts on the clubhouse turns midway through to turn it's almost like a parallelogram as opposed to an oval strange shaped actor, of course by Field of six we don't see starship. You believe I believe she's going to wait for the Diana here at Saratoga we see at Trois Chad Brown. To get Rafael Hernandez to ride one of the leading writers would buy she was the eight to five. Favorite. Out in the gamely on the Memorial Day at Santa Anita, she broke from the route was the first US start Then running that day, I'm willing to forgive for start since October. Out in California now, she comes back to the East Coast I'll. I'll I'll take all the mystery out of this Bobby Newman at Trois is my top selection in the dense smartly. And I agree completely I think if it twice if things had gone right that day wouldn't have taken three months for her to get back to the racist. So she just didn't run her race in the gamely as the eight to five favorite she faced good field keeper the stars boat a Cheetah Lucho unusual who are obviously gonna see at del Mar also on Saturday and I think the inside post will help her chances on that differently configured turf course at Woodbine, and we'll see a better effort second time in the country for at twelve and we did first time out seven five on the morning I think she'll be lower than that. The only one I really think she has to beat as number four Elizabeth Way. Who won going a mile on the Nassau at Woodbine last time out she's run well at these extended distances to win if twelve throws in another clunker Elizabeth way is the logical one. But you and I agree Twat seventy-five on the morning line just just take it and go. The great to dance smartly, an amount of water on the turf goes race three from the older fillies and Mares on the turf going along to the older Colton, geldings going short on the all weather. Great three bold venture goes as race at number seven. I gotTa tell you something. You don't see too many cool horses then. Pink Lloyd and Pink Lloyd has one ready for this twenty four of twenty, nine starts they have all come. On, the all weather would mind and they've come over to different services change services, a couple of years back He's remarkable year old Galveston of old forest are. He actually finished. This race was moved up because of the racing calendar. So the actually ran in this race and was declared a non starter last year in September believe this was on Rico by mile weekend. was declared a non-starter are bet. York and I thought I was going to get my five to One on York, and then you can pay like four sixty s like what happened here and bold venture of force. In the bowl venture, he was declared a nonstarter. And he doesn't do a lot of things, wrong? No. The funny thing is though he got declared a nonstarter in this race last year. No showed in two years ago so Maybe, he's got an issue with this. With bobby maybe he doesn't like the name of this almost like California chrome to me I break out in hives. I don't I don't think. I think pink floyd had an issue with. Issue here, and that's why was declared the nonstarter but he's one, twenty, four times. All of them have been on the main track at Woodbine and that's out of thirty starts. Including back to back wins to start this year he's just better than this field. He's forty five on the morning line. He's going to be one or two to five, and almost every racy runs would bury this field. So He's fun horse to watch I. Think the only way to make money in the field if you like pink floyd is to try to hammer exact is and that's kind of wide open behind them. But this is just more of a watch and enjoy for me or maybe if I'm playing horizontal wagers, I'll take the free square because I don't think they're going to beat him this year. Yeah he he looks awfully tough to be just lays right up on you and just Goes by kind of when he pleases and unlike like Yorktown who could just blast off on there's nobody in here that can do that. So like you I'm GonNa take the short price maybe Olympic runner. Round Chunky. Exact us all four three for me pink look. Over Olympic Ronald Seven causes the Greek three bold venture. We'll take a break as we're halfway home. We'll come back and wrap the woodbine action for Saturday. You are listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by becks and a tear on the horse racing radio network. 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So let's go back to the Woodbine to the plate trial reached number eight, hundred and fifty thousand miles eighth. These horses looking ahead to that September twelfth. Queen's plate. and. Clean, split it a mile and a quarter. Of course for those of you not familiar with the Queen's played is they're essentially the Kentucky Derby of Canada and this play trial. Get in there and obviously a little peek is to who may be pointing towards The Canadian Classic Clayton Number Three. One of them Kevin Itar trainees two or three in his career. All would mind he won going a mile and a sixteenth last time out in his first start around two turns. Next door halo again is the worst that hall famous vacillates down here in the United States, started on the main track. He's went up to woodbine twice he's won both he has one blemish on the all weather that was down at way park I like the race that Clayton. Ran last time out in triumph mile and a sixteenth for the first time. It looks like the further the better for him got a good starting spot opened up at the top of the stretch and then cruised away to a three length win elusive night finish second on that day by the way I. Don't want to give too much away here. But there are five stakes on the Saturday woodbine card and I think I like Rafael Hernandez and all five stakes. Good job by his by his agent and obviously a good job by Rafael Hernandez, I just noticed that and I looked at the two coming up I have rafeal Hernandez on top all five stakes at woodbine tomorrow Soa if he doesn't have a good day I'm not going to have a good day and Clayton is certainly one of the ones for him four to five on the morning line I'll probably be lower than that. Just simply because his last race would probably beat this field, he might even be better second time out going around to. So, Clayton another one I I hate to keep you know getting all this chocolate all over my face but. It's hard to get away from these horses. Yeah especially when they. Are beating some of their rivals. Elusive night was a horse I said, you know, maybe this city star training at the job done I mean, Clayton just dusted them. Elusive night had three to turn races under his belt some stakes. Experience. Last year I didn't matter Clayton. Just pleading just put them aside and you know again tactical speed he got some tackles feeding sprint races. He didn't do it a lot of horses doing and start chasing pieces because he's going longer distances. In fact, you know he was able to relax more. It seems like he relaxed more going long many didn't the sprint races, which is kinda counter counterintuitive but. That's what happened in here. Now, he may very well find himself on a front end tomorrow because. Let's Halo again and Louis can is try to pull the robbery on the front end I I would. Find it on the lead small meal. This starts pick for this for up at Woodbine tomorrow you WANNA be safe to use the two of them. I think you get by but I tell you what halo again is going to have to step up his game especially game especially on the all weather if he's GonNa. WanNa. Take. The Clinton Clinton just looks tough for me as well. Raise eight goes as the plate trial. You know I must really like one because I was looking to skip the plate trial and get right to to. King Edward. Earlier flat mile on the turf. A field of eight like I said, we have some horses shipping up from from the US mark to the arch for mark. CASSIE. Hall of Famer Mark Cassie copied a couple of links in the wise Dan last time out he's won his loans thought of would woodbine a couple of years ago. On their turf course You have the number seven admiralty pier he wanted three Tampa Bay earlier this year over and Oldsmar Florida you have. Who Jim? Around. A couple of. Weeks he's under his belt. He ran into stablemate accomplished sprinter stakes winner front run the Fed last time down at Belmont Park. So this is a race I really like because I I'm going to try to beat the favourite who was number five silent poet, who to me is the speed speed, but there's a lot of other speed in this Field Ritz Arjun Telo Bo that speed. The six horse s speed seven admiralty. Eric Weeds of five of the eight runners to me Lou WanNa be in front. So I, think it comes down to march to the And Delaware and March to the arches. My topic I kind of hinted that I like Rafael Hernandez and all five races. I liked the horses that he's been running against Iran against factor this last time out who is just on a roll these days we saw factor this win again last week and I believe Ellis Park. March and the off one for one. Mention his only bad rates recently was in the gray one to maker mile where things just didn't go his way but all of his other races I think make him very strong in the spot and he and Delaware I think we'll be closing into what will be solid pace I? Think that's my strong exacted their box it but I think march to the arch on top at four two one is the way I want to go. You like I like Delaware Chad bounds profit source along. He did not have the cleanest in the first defense in his US debut much better. Last time he didn't have the cleanest trips again I post three times a post one. Now he gets a one turn mile and this is a true one turn mile and he has the outside draw he gets we contraire. I honestly think he let sources like Admiralty Pier He lets sources like silent poet Arjun to a lesser degree Mr Ritz. All of these sources have forward position I. Think they all go and either he works out Amazing Trip I. Love Delaware Tomorrow in the. Great to. King. Edward Edward will wrap up the Saturday action. For the day and it would bind what the Woodbine oaks presented by Budweiser and. This is for the Phillies, the half million on the line as well. See plenty of phillies try to boys after winning the oaks and going on to try the queen's plate believe Holy Helena won the oaks and then won the queen's play a few years back up at Woodbine. I'll see if any of these phillies maybe led by the number one Cronin's Voyager Josie Caroline Patrick husbands she's going to get back around to turn for the first time since wrapping up the season winning the last mile and the sixteenth last year. Says another race where I think the little bit of speed most notably from number ten infant patients. But I think number eight lasting new law to the lead number seven Murphy you for cabinet tarred and Rafeal Hernandez. Getting the blinkers on for the first time. Last art was her only try at woodbine where she not finish in the money. She finished fourth beaten less than two lengths in the grade three selene I think she's capable of better than what she showed last time out. Getting the blinkers on can only assume that she worked with the blinkers since that race and she worked well six furlongs in one thirteen, flat. It was a bullet work on August the eighth at Woodbine. So I think we'll see a better effort from Urva you and for me hopefully closing out the fifth of five stakes victories for Rafael Hernandez on woodbine Saturday. So. Lasting. Union. This is who I caught. My Eye. Her debut. Chad Brown sent out center I'll bill mock sent out same Wa. Some rumblings that both were good. On that day both were good And she made up some Ground Leyton game, Mike Match not known for winning first time out. Stretched out to a mile. And it was kind of the same thing she kind of got lost early on and. Made up some ground late. And then. Squad a sloppy track. Again, lost ground and. With her running style. Changing so much. because. He's talking about how she's losing position early. To to wire wins when she gets out of go free. And to Laurel and Delaware the two differences are. Different racing surface. And they change. Wrong. Or did they is she just? The kind of Philly that is going to get better with age as you to kind of that just is not going to handle gopher in. Park. I gotTa tell you those last two efforts. They were not the same philly that we've seen down in south Florida this this ring. If, she can transfer her form from the main track to the all weather. In this field of ten in the oaks I think she's going to be awfully awfully tough. Now, they have five to morning line favorite I. Don't think that's happening I. Think Somebody's Phillies that have already run on the all weather would buy are going to be talked. To Her I, this is going to be four or five to one I really like our should mcgahey send the one up. a maiden pilot episode try the turf last time you got a real this. This is a different bunch affiliate were accustomed to seeing in the oaks, and I'm GonNa take shot with lasting union. I know she's the five. Favorite I think she'll be a higher price the number eight lasting union for me race number ten goes as that would bind Oakland if any phillies trying to boys just about Oh four weeks from today from tomorrow rather in the Queen's played around will take one more break we'll come and we'll get to some Sunday action. At three of the tracks voter revisited Saratoga would mind delmore. You're listening to the week stakes preview presented by Nyerere batch here H. R. N. That and watch the races worldwide from the palm of your hand with Nyra bats sign up for. Niagara. Bets today and take advantage of from your purse with the best live racing misery plays in hd exclusive promotions and earn points on every back sign up for vets today with the Promo. Code H. Twenty nine deposit match bonus of up to two hundred dollars again, that's H. R. Twenty with Nyerere Bet you can bet any track anywhere at any time head over to an IRA dot. com. 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Will we hear from tomorrow in that great one ten for a long Alabama will find afternoon here at the SPA. Welcome back to the weekend stakes by Nyerere bets here on the Horse Racing Radio Network. As always start your Saturday with Equine Forum Tomorrow Morning Mike Penna takes you from eight to ten A. M. Eastern with some of the. Top horse men and women in the country. Seriously Nineteen Xm to a one horse racing radio dot net and Goto horse racing radio DOT net. If you've missed anything this week on the network. Edmund. Yes on trainer talked presented by Physic- Tipton Wednesday night the prisoner's dot com pollen show was lively. The Rosa hit me with one of the. Most ridiculous Farah fouls in the history of all time. This revolt on is you make any sense history of mankind. And this weekend we've? Resignation missed anything. and honestly who would want to hear Bobby I for another hour. It'll be up shortly stream it live podcast. Everything in between your home for all of reasons biggest events. At horse racing radio, dot net Sunday action. Across the continent. Saratoga Channel. Is the lone steaks on the Sunday Saratova card as we wrap up week number five here. At the SPA mile and three sixteenths on the melons turf force field of seven. This race lacks the star power of decorated invader and Google but. It might be a better betting race with out having a a big favorite. Now, I don't have time for this race But. I. Can't imagine anybody going to be less than three to one in here. I this seven wars in the field I throughout one she wouldn't stunned me if she won that was number five key Biscayne that can make a case for the other six. I think he can, and the toughest call for me is trying to figure out who's GonNa. Make the lead in the race because I can't find any speed. You know there few phillies in here who have laid close in slow paced races but it's hard to find somebody who's GonNa be in front, and then you have a Euro Shipper Speaking Bill Maher in in Reseda Who you know most of the euro shippers don't show speed but day we don't know what she's GonNa do all things equal it looks like number one speak to me of summer is the logical one to beat I would think shelby favored she's three of her five starts I. Know You liked her last time out in the lake placid and you got almost five to one that day I think it's going to be closer to to one or five to two I. Think she'll end up being the favourite just for the fact that she's turned. Out To be somewhat of a win machine and she's going for top connections and Christoph Camman and Joel Rosario she closed well at a mile and an eight to get up by ahead seems like going a mile and three sixteenths will do nothing but help her chances She was able to close behind a slow pace last time out, which is another reason I think that she looks dangerous because she's probably going to get the same kind of trip again Sunday. don't like the price differential, but she looks like the one to beat me. Yeah I wrote everything. You said why handicap this race it was almost like handicapping lake placid last time we don't know who pay is going to be I. Assumed incorrectly that key Biscayne would try to take advantage of that off some racist that she had as a two year old but she apparently is just stalling for speed Nash came running late and got to length what they all Kinda hit the line together in the top four from that lake placid. or back from Warren here it's just hard to imagine that if they didn't go last time, why would they go on Sunday I, think the speed. Is going to be on twitter and I almost picked onto an based on that. Bill Motte has. Alternated surfaces with her much like Harvey's a little oil I don't think too many people would have been surprised if hobbies little and Antoinette. Places. And On ran in the. Alabama on Saturday and hallways little oil ran in the Saratoga computational on Sunday. But. Bill Maher is running away. He wanted them before me to. Second. Guess who I think could be the very very well be the greatest trainer of all time I think that makes a Lotta sense on Sunday. And it was very hard for me to split the to. Speak to some of though. Like you said, bobby, she was faced with the same. Problems last time no pace. You can't get shuffled from the rail. Nobody Roger L. Joel Rosario. So I went back to speak to me of summer. She doesn't own a coin I made a ton of money where what you WanNa Lake placid and that's not the reason I'm picking up. I'm picking up because this is almost like groundhog's Day It's like the exactly the same race, the first four finishers do I love everything, shootin it coming in and all gaze interesting. Because, she broke her maiden sprinting at Kentucky downs, which really isn't six and a half of the plays more like seven and a half You know those prints down there are different and. All the phillies out of that race like five of them came back to break and made a next time out. She didn't fair too well Ecuador going six furlongs would again that's a true turf sprint and then shook stretched out often November layoff to win the Appalachian at Neiman's you look good doing it. She got into nick of time but she another distance increase she from six to a mile off the long layoff. Now, she's going from a mile to a mile and three sixteenths. One, three two for me. All use all three of them in the late pick formerly pick five on Sunday but the topic will be speak to me a summer. See if we can go back to the well in the half million dollar. Saratoga oaks invitational. Up At woodbine on Sunday. We'll go to the all weather the for the fillies and Mares. Basically Philly America one of the bold venture. This is the C. Way. It's a great three little further to seven furlongs out of the chute. get a field of eight here Amalfi. Coast who? Try. Try The national last time she's going to go back to the all weather. She won the best Barron Going seven over the course when she ended her twenty nineteen campaign. and. I thought number five painting was going to read. Our effort. On Sunday, she didn't have the cleanest of starts last time out in the trillium at a mile and a sixteenth as the five two favourite. That day still ended up finishing second she was well behind super escape that day who just got out in front of the field setting slow fractions and cruised around there to an impressive win. I don't think super escapes going to get that kind of trip. There's a lot more speed. In. The way than there was in the trillium last time out gambles candy has a lot of speed There are some phillies or the outside sister. Peacock is very, very fast early another time can show speed. Even Miss Mosaic shows speed or she wants to so I think painting will redeem herself. She's five to two on the morning line. She's the second choice. I like her to rebound and get a good trip stalking the pace and blowing by speed to win the see way on. Sunday Half to miss. Temple city. Campaign by our our friends, Bobbin Sean felt rhetoric career grand motion, a couple of trips royal. So a little bit of a rooting interest for the network. Here's our friends bread this one as well. Yeah. Me Painting can win for sure either Offi coast for sure. I. Went To. Super Escape. You know. I think you can argue her two best races have been on the all weather at Woodbine. And Yeah She's not going to lead. She's not fast enough in Philly but. Cutting back from the from the to turn sixteen to the to the shoot race to seven eighths. I. They should get the right kind of trip. Close up enough to the pace where she's one of the first ones to come calling. For affinity for the service of woodbine comes out. I. Think they're all in a lot of trouble. So I'll take super escape to win the great three. It goes eight on the Sunday car out at del Mar wrap up the live action with a mile and three eighths on the TURF CT and TLC. The, sounds like a bellevue of the vessel Three eighths on the turf. Mile and three on the turf and a tough race to handicap I landed on number three. Don't blame Judy for Eric Cool Jack and a bellsa do don't blame judy hip raced at a mile last time out in the Osa Nita's and Behind cordiality and we saw cordiality made the lead setting slow fractions and kicked onto a very impressive win that Dan don't blame. Simply couldn't make up the ground on cordiality and got beat a little less than two links even though that was at a mile and this race on Sunday is a mile and three eighths she's actually run at. extended. Distances in the past. In fact, two races back she ran in a mile and a quarter and was closing at that point behind dog tag and I know you're a fan of dog tag and she was only about a lengthened a quarter behind her that afternoon. So a mile and three eighths maybe within the scope of this daughter of We don't have the morning lines yet for Sunday at del Mar I would think she'll be somewhere second or third choice in here. There are a lot of them that look very similar past performance wise on. I think don't blame you. I can't imagine they'll be a heavy favourite in this race. Don't blame Judy I would guess will be somewhere around seven to two four to one and to me it's just a it's it's more of I think show runwell, Sunday I don't know if she's Tons better than this field but she she puts in good efforts more often than not and I think she'll be able to handle the distance they all kind of looked the same like you said now I do whatever he's like that. I'll look for I'll look for common sense and common sense leads me to mathematics in here and I hate when that happens but the number pretty point it just looks like she just wants more ground right? You look at her three best races mile and a quarter on the American oaks she gets to be just two links to lady prance a lot and mutual unusual. What would you bet on either one of them in this race to starts back in the possibly perfect she used to be the lengthened quarter. Running on late and then they get three full time at del Mar. She wins she just needs the ground. She gets the ground going on three eighths. She gets some pace pretty point for me Patty in Hall of Famer Mike Smith Teaming up race number ten on Sunday goes into the C. T. T. and t o c alright. She's number ten rather point I'm sorry. All twelve races in the books time now for the Naira Bets Best Bet. visit is the naira beds best bet. Bobby call your show. Who? Race Nine on Saturday delmore is the Solana beach and you got eight to five morning line on number four muccio unusual anywhere close to eight to five I think you have to run to the windows she's been facing much tougher company than she's going to tomorrow and I think she's going to get some pace to run out some mutual unusual. I'll take the favourite's role and hope we can get somewhere close to eight to five. I don't run anywhere anymore. Thank God for my naira bets at. The worried about getting shut out when those. I log right on. Fire Away, and that's what I'll be doing. Research nine at bind. On, Saturday degree to the King Edward I'm going to the outside, the number eight Delaware for Chad, Brown Jug, Mont and Lewis. Delaware is my naira bets best bet for Alabama weekend. One of my favorite weekends of the year moved up a week this year due to the Cova schedule. So a great racial of Swiss. Skydiver. F-, they're getting beat by the boys in the Bluegrass last time. Take the phillies ten furlongs should be a great weekend of racing. Bobby do it all again Wednesday great job as always Fox on Wednesday for race day. Have a great weekend. Pal. To enjoy the racing wherever you are lots of good stuff. Kick it off the form tomorrow morning at eight am eastern time. That's are up for us this week on HR and for Bobby Newman illegal big a anthony stabile help you have a lucky night I opened when all you folks finishes. Race Day comes your way Wednesday at three, that's one. We'll often next have a great weekend enjoy the Alabama. Well, HR nation.

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Part 2:Sid Fernando, Ed Martin

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My father. you ge- traditional dixieland jazz fan and my father had a collection of seventy eights including Louis in virtually every early incantation of satchmo pants About what the hot the hot three the hot five. I could be attacked. My i really should ask next time. I'm home in connecticut. If i ever see my father again The f- he had these fireproof style Metal containers that that the seventy eights were in he bite. My father used to tell me stories. Sid fernando standing by and. I don't know if this is something. Said we'll be aware of but said said loves music. There was a a record store. Apparently in the basement of the roosevelt hotel that You know it was like the like. The strand bookstore is two books This record shop was apparently. Just you know absolute over the the the source the place the defined rare recordings and and obscure recordings my father. My father look who didn't have didn't grow up with a lot And didn't have a lot of expendable income. But you said whenever he had you know little little spare money you go to the roosevelt hotel to the record shop. So i think if you if you handed a young person a seventy eight record they look at you like you had to heads. They would know what a thirty three forty five at a at a seventy eight is if you showed them those three settings they they they look at you like Like you were in a space alien said good morning. Good morning right now. I know. I know that's true. The turntables her. Yeah so funny. I took the my generation. I i'm sure yours to. I mean by thirty. Three's by Going to the record store to get little singles. The you know the the b sides and yeah i mean. We're the same generation. Yeah too funny. Well i'm all over the place To be honest said today. we're kind of We're kinda bouncing around and Ed martin is gonna join us later this hour kind of follow up on this topic that That sue finlay In the broached regarding the young man trying to become a jockey agent. It's such a. It's such a desirable perfection. I'm sorry. John occasions i think that was. That was a low blow that that's story. Just you know cook often it. I mean i read last night and to texted to right away and then i'm not on twitter. So he told me was taking off on twitter and yeah it struck a chord and i she came at it from an angle of you know an example of the industry not welcoming young people. I don't. I don't think that his age is is what you know. What's at issue here. It's more the mechanics of you know what the rules are involved. And ed martin ed martin's gonna flesh that out He's the right guy to explain. You know what what's that issue here But people people right away Talking about how insular the game is and so forth. i mean. I don't personally see that and and i don't i don't necessarily agree with that But when it comes a perfect example with with your with your expertise It sure sure. Get the sense that people that Get interested in the sport through pedigree and breeding that is that the only the only evaluation of them comes from you know how how knowledgeable they are. I i mean. I see so many people and so many young people that have expressed an interest and waded into it. I mean you must you over the years undoubtedly have had people right to you and ask about. How do i get into the game and and you know this is something i'd like to do so funny. You should say because Just a couple of weeks ago. I got a letter from a guy. The young guy who is twenty seven he He's got a degree in finance and he's working finance. For four years ago i went to the preakness. Were actually probably listening to each other. You listen to quote unquote mr bic. Every day Anyway so he just got you know really into the racing Yadda yadda yadda and he wrote a letter to me. Recently which was kinda struck by that you'd like to learn and you know he's available to do anything. I can for free in other words like an insurance. And you know so. I i actually think bit of an interest in him gave them a couple of Washington's on pedigree over the phone Fee for a couple of calls and then i just gave them a project to do and i and i gave that exact same project to someone in our Company 'cause i wanted to compare it right. And i'm just waiting for his result but Yeah so i've been engaged him and You know win over When some stuff with him and he looked he sounds like a real fast learner. But yeah i did tell him you know he's got you know there's kinda kinda gave him some guide guides on what he need to learn and and stuff like that and he's very thirsty for knowledge as we've said over the years there's so many different angles to to draw people in To the to the game and You know whether it's whether it's playing whether it's a as horse player whether it's from the pedigree breeding signed there's just countless. There's so many fans and players that have gotten into the game and then the directions. I mean bobby frankel i. That's the bobby frankel. The best Story there is on this topic literally literally came out of the grandstand out to become a trainer. That the how's that for. How's that for a story And staying within that book when Maltese how bad The guy that bought brooklyn strong five thousand dollars. Well and that's why we're going to head into that Topic with you. And i had the conversation with danny velazquez on monday. What a fun story. And he said mark schwartz was down at the sale and danny didn't travel Because of kovic restrictions that was kind of in the teeth of everything and Comes up with this horse for a nickel i. It's it's unbelievable it really is especially when you Put that into relief against the other. New york bred barreda. That one starlet came out of the sale. That one new york bred by story humorless seven hundred thousand two year old four alma corp and this guy buys one probably maybe the cheapest in that sailing i dunno for five thousand and they both new york breads postal graded stakes races. What the same weekend now. The new york bred story line. Actually from the weekend was was pretty crazy. Because you had the ad three three winters that sharp stars well wins the go for wand and it was Pretty heady On that on that topic. I also in terms of Inexpensive purchases. I had the conversation with chris hartman and The philly That was actually a seven thousand purchase but then a. It was a much more sizable aren a but still you know the the initial purchase price under ten thousand. It's very encouraging said. And you and i you know point these out on a regular basis Talk about how important. This is for wicked strong. Who seems to be getting runners You know he's not flashy not You know he's he's not starting out laya band but You know feels like he. You know he's getting some effective horses. Well what happened with strong You know that my heart spun He won the wood memorial Places some big races went to start at spendthrift. Where i i think he actually wasn't the top ten freshmen scientists and he had like twenty six year. Old winters is in its first class This cult is from this. Gelding is from the second crop. So it's first crappy got a few stakes winners. But you know what happens steve. Is you know they can come up with something big. It's really tough. And so he had his second crop and They're just two year olds now since i absolutely three But it's cutthroat game and the horses already been moved from spencer pinot grain. Dr bill found farm. That's rain here and it's a big You know he did have a large number two your winners friends. I grabbed that was quite promising. And now coming up day. With the graded stakes winner huge. And you know twenty how things work out because the heavy favorite in the horse he did in that race. Ten for ten senate frosted You know fox and had just gotten his first grade grand stakes winner the weekend before. Imagine if the horse had won it would've been too great at stakes when it's frosted that there have been some huge right there with the first crop of profit now late in the year producing two graded stakes winners. You know back to back weekends and unfortunately that he bought the nashua where he was second to new jersey bread and now it comes back in the remington and loses with the new york branch. They're just shows the vagaries of the game. And i just pulled up. I just pulled up the details and looking at the rankings. I it's pretty funny. What a win like this does for wicked strong and as you mentioned he was ninth in the first on the first crop list Last year and now he's thirteenth on the second crop but he's also would also be a third In pennsylvania and fourth overall in the mid atlantic and I graded stakes winner. But he had to stake wins last year and now he's got four he's got three different stake. Winners have won. Four stakes This year so you know. He's he's getting you know he's having success He's gonna be standing for thirty five hundred at very good luck to you. It looks like hard spun. He's built exactly like hard smart. Yeah it's true that leg on him to pay a leggy dancing as opposed to warfront. Who's the more of the typical dancer. Build of the dandy. Ignore their dance. Align hearts plan has more electoral. He wicked strong out of The charismatic mayor that moyne abbey I wanna say bill lynn right. It was bill lynn. I think Bread wicked strong. If i'm not mistaken. I think so. look that up but Because it because he sold because wicked strong went you know went through as a As a as a purchase and then subsequently i think lynn retained. A the next was that. What was the next one. Call off the pull up the dams because he you know. It's one of those weird dynamics when you sell one that becomes something and then you feel like i should. I should have campaigned. That or south. You know it's it'll drive you crazy You know what what kind of mayors you know what. What kind of mayors fit The great meaning. It's it's wicked strong as a danza gliding. Horse and and medallion dior. Sav lose well lying horse and so the cross here very successful dancing sadler as well then of course the reverse is true as well So you know. V the damn herself had some warm she was She was stakes praised. And i think she told Two thousand twelve thirty seven thousand dollars in the mayor. would that stage warm but It's not that great you know. Female family Recoup the cash is under the third dam but I think that what you have is you know you have. It's really good. Crock and I i don't know why coq Only made five thousand six thousand aren a yearling at o. b. s. as well Worked at ten to varda in comparison at work an eight twenty four same sale. Ob as april like. I said yeah ten to. That's that's that's a nice work at the two year old sales. You know from what. I've read the guy said guy schwartz said that There have been a couple of minor that issues Even so i also read that after taking source of five dollars. I don't know your interview. Daniel mentioned it but the guy Gay offered him at thirty three percent stake in the horse. So apparently the trainer thirty three percents stake On a five tap out rice So you know it's a it's a hell of a story From brooklyn. I liked the name. Well the navy's gut The brooklyn strong and this race. Of course the remm sent has come under you know and the Moselle come under plenty of scrutiny and the mile and the eighth for a two year old At the end of the season essentially and you know. And i even. I even asked you know. Where do you go from. Here per se Because you don't want to you know you don't want to back them up too much either and horses that are successful going this distance at this time of year. You know we we've seen we've seen that it's almost been a bit of a plateau in in recent years this race. Got a you know this race and you could tell right away based on what happened later in the day with the phillies with that mala fat and milk fake that this was a fast race and they both came back with ninety three buyers. I mean this puts them in pretty good stead. going forward. the start of the three-year-old year. Whereas i think i saw you tweet that varda on the opposite coast and the grade one got sixty eight five sixty eight and You know people right away. Were scoffing and carrying on As if they didn't notice that the horse that looked like she was going to march down the stretch and win easily Had pulled out well but she well but she would have been not so low that if if she wins that that starlet princess. Nor we're talking about you. Know she was coming off. Eighty five in the juvenile fillies and seventy eight seventy nine in in the chandelier and the other start at del mar. So you she. Let's assume that you know she. She would have scored in that range of people are are are being very unfair. I mean in terms of the this horse kind of inheriting varda kind of inheriting the the win right. I mean it sure looked like princess nor was was going to you know cantor on right right exactly so unfortunate For them and i was a million dollars or think. Yeah but they got the grade one. You know at least in a record. That's true a new new outfit to the darren racing for peptides for purchase nor exactly and i just pulled up. I did just pull up. Wicked strong From the from the pedigree side and and it is Bill lynn that The it's funny. I thought that that horse that he had I thought he had kept that other good. Stay course that that jimmy jerkins had For was jimmy. Or was it. The jimmy. toner clincher That's made three hundred fifty thousand. The sydney's candy gelding. But he did not actually. He didn't keep that horse. I know that he has kept one of the maybe he kept the phillies Because she did Moyne abbey did get miss. Monkouo's blamed philly Who wanna race and right now. She's she's got an unraced two year old filly By bernardini called del ghani. And there's an unnamed arrogate Philly actually this year That's a yearling and it appears that she was barren moyne abbey this year. She's also got to be getting up there a little bit. she's eighteen. Moyne abbey won't buy charismatic out of With approval mayor classic approval so How about let's talk about the of the wonderful result for Hillsdale curl i about that. Yeah that's really quite an amazing achievement to get the first three home You know In graded stakes. Or he's like that and gam just showed you you know mao fat your winner and mill fe second and they were you know they were little far removed from the From the third place finisher. that malibu curl but Talk a little bit. Let's talk a little bit about malathion. I really have not had a chance other than talking about the result if this is shad well from a stonestreet breeding This was a million dollar. Fifty thousand Keeneland yearling yeah. I mean out of an eighteen. Be manner Which the great cross it's an. Ap mirror it is indeed That lebron dreaming of julia right and in fact You know that's such a great cross not only for curling but for for Disturbed humor If you notice in the Just as an aside the new york red. You mentioned the money in philly star outside of an ap and demand to it was a big weekend for the ap. Indeed mehrtens but this one of course out of dreaming of julia Great one winner one the present You know she's the damn of fivefold but only one winner and Still you know with that type of race record and step crossing with kirwin. You're gonna get typewriters You know the second damage. Green brush Who is also a great one winner. One test So you know upfront. It's a it's a really big family Been some really very good fat courses in his pedigree. Steve One of them which is not even a graded stakes winner. Is that the dalai douro coke. Try the trees who Went four and five stars extremely fat. That hap- dream julia So you know it's It's it's a case in your where you know really you know. Get a top level. Api grade one winner and the you know curling minds with that. And he's got a million dollar yearling that's fulfilled That that breeding and she's going gonna be a down. The road obviously scatter Race record three year old season coming up and You know it's it's not paying the high end of the game here the complete opposite. Would we're talking right that that's what that's what so much fun about you. Know about the pedigree side about the breeding side and the game itself. I i am going to make a note regarding stonestreet and this family Because you mentioned the trainees who's by medallion doro and and You know had has his own potential as a stallion but Dream pauline is a sister. The half sister Of dreaming of julia that people were recalled. She is she apparently lost a fall. Which is too bad medallion doro herself of this year. However there breeding her back She is due in the in the winter with aac erlin so Barbara banke in the team Basically using the same formula with these half sisters going occur with dream. Pauline that You know the the tower playbook turn down so you know the good marriage would naturally fit him and and go down. How many sit out of curiosity and This is a question. I i've got. I don't know if we're going to get going to try hard to get john before the end of the year next week. How many how many seasons. How many yet. retained Seasons or not seasons but Covers would stonestreet have in to curl in in his book. What percentage would you guess. First off John's told me that you know barbara banke. Mike really believe more than one hundred forty marriage to to her and curling So you know Barbara banke owns eighty percent of crown. Right so you know the lion share of those seasons Stonestreet and what they don't user you know. What would it be so very lucrative Starring hundred and seventy five dollars. That's letter twenty percent of the support. His is owned by that partnership group Allies which is craig bernie and his mom johnson qura. And they're they're remember. They went in and purchase that twenty percent from midnight. Cry stables the sheriff phil took that over and then john convinced by evenki with his material interest in the horse partnerships material interest in the list that they would you know it would be the best you know thing that moved towards then to gone down since they were also now owners of the horse as well and John had set up A relationship with bobby bank east you know. He was standing for example but cranes music let barbara banke had bought back. Don't treat it bought back for something like nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the sale race. Did that one race number race. Where one huge in free time freak buyer didn't run again so he stood Sit the profile really pepboys. The john you know has been well with and got that horse spitting at killing from his first crop. Mcleans music got it. She got cloud computing a frequent winner. john is also John stands caros for barbara. Banke brought back up from florida And and now he's standing for thirty thousand over there. I two year olds conceived kentucky grand. That's younger extremely well So john has built great relationship with stonestreet. And you know it's paying off for him He was able to get in in a in. You know john started medallion euro office. We've mentioned on this show frequently students. I e year. Rachel rachel alexandra was not that i crap but you know john also lost to rain then candy ride. That heat started off as well for down Which is the big loss for john. sewing and it stuck a poetic justice. He was able to get curling from the farm. That had taken candy reid laying and he was able to get ga- curling back and of course kirwin has just turned into john. Got curling exactly the right time when growing was just heating up at year With you know with with a bunch of horses running great to saratoga ch- year exaggerate. Who was a two year old. And then the following year of course exaggerated won the preakness in everything. Just sitting the price and horses that has gone up and it's really established At at at the highest echelon with curling the standard. I and just looking I should actually look at mill fe as well but Looking at mallet that and the quality of this this female family you know we talked about dreaming of julia You mentioned dream rush. Then you go to turbo dream by unbridled rev defeat by mr prospector. Regain the By nouri f- rian Vaguely noble sir. Gaylord god game matilda hasty road it. It is a really strong tail. Female family really is and You know one of the You know stonestreet bread dreaming of julia so you know. This is a a really personal type of mating for them They purchased I can't remember how they got the horse but Killing gale had had actually So dream brush As a man for three point three million dollars and From that Stonestreet was able to eventually get that mayor because killing nail. Soldiery much to halt the minor. Remember him sure. Short lived short short. Lived in the game and and That was the country million tales. It it's also a long history of johnson tour with the family as well. What does it's funny. You mentioned that i've forgotten. I'd forgotten about that purchase. The three point three million. but it's an interesting Ascendancy that that she had because she told for ninety thousand as a yearling at keeneland then she sold for two hundred and eighty five thousand as a two year old in training. That's one west point got her and then after race career was over and then then she went down as she. You know she was good. She was a good racehorse she. She may three quarters of a million dollars. One eight of sixteen That included Just let me go back. I'm curious now which i knew. She'd won yes. She won the prior wrestling and the test back in july and august and earlier. She'd won the old hat During the winter and and the old nassau county Wow she'd won that to under day You know seven she was she was a really really nice fellow and we had some fun conversations and that was with rick violet at her That you know at that juncture with west point and john you know i. I didn't realize this actually john was. You're right when you say the association. John was a partner with lou laken and westborough about that. Well we're gonna we'll be watching for for her curling baby as moreover as poverty is clearly going to the well and for those for those that heard those numbers that we talked about earlier. with The one hundred and forty one hundred and forty covers times. One hundred and seventy five thousand. A essentially curling is a twenty million dollar producer For stonestreet just for stonestreet the eighty percent of that revenue So for those. That wonder why the making of a stallion on the racetrack is important. And it's not a question of you know of of stonestreet and barbara banking needing the money but it. It does pay. It does pay for you know the way the business is operated it phase for you know all the other horses that don't pan out I mean that's the that's the end goal for a lot of these. You know the big money. Come when you can really yes gets down. And not just the money. But the if you're breeder You know you're able to utilize that horse whether you know whether it's curling with the stonestreet now you go back bold ruler with family in caver any you know. That's that's how dynasty really built really. I never. I think i used to be somebody that would kinda grouse when you know when a horse got taken off the track to go into the shed and we had Seth merrin had charlotte weber the show and charlotte explained. I thought very very clearly here. Here's somebody who's one of the wealthiest people in in the country and she said i i there. There's no way. I think this was around the time that to honor and serve and probably brilliant speed as well. We're going to start. And and i think i asked her on on on luzon me i said about you know not coming back for another year or racing and she said you have to understand. It doesn't matter how you know quote unquote wealthy. How much money somebody has you. You can't just lose five million dollars a year operating a large stable. She was a can't justify it says when when you when you have the opportunity in the sport and involving. She's i i can. I can over thirty with with erling purchases. Or whatever i can you know it it. It buys you the luxury of playing the game. I mean that that's why right. Yeah i mean the the people no matter how wealthy people are usually you know they they run. This is business. I i think you look at judd jug. Mine is not willing to to make sure that they Stay in the black an operation or close to it I'm sure they're well above it But you know they will You know they sold empire maker because they got an incredible price from japan This year They had the first defense Three year old colt siskind. Who won the game of the irish guineas for them They sold him You know the beating writes a while. He was racing And occasionally they're going to sell a worse that ends up being a tremendous stallions as they did with dana so a lot of these operations You know operate sometimes The people from the outside They may seem kind of a rufus business decisions but their decisions. They've been keeping the rest of the operation of and so You know getting back to your point of charlotte weber regardless of how wealthy she is. I'm sure you know nobody. Nobody wants me taking. Yeah i ten million in losses. Every year. It takes the swimming out of the gate. Exactly you can't just hemorrhage can't just hemorrhage markle essentially that's the bottom line. I said i these are the these are the big Two year old stakes of the weekend. And we we still have got A few thirty two run at la salle. but we won't talk about that Until we come back in two thousand twenty one so kind of winding down and Your your last week before next week next week. Okay all right so get your you prepare. Your christmas message like Like a like a british monarch So we got the next week and then off you. Taking two weeks of yeah. We're gonna take a well. Yeah reaching for the wire. So i appreciate it and again we're going to remind everybody We're gonna remind everybody that not only. Can you tie on and work. With the with said work bread consultants five one zero four nine eleven eleven going to remind everybody again. If you've gotta stallion that's during service in twenty twenty one you've got to get him involved and into the system For the knicks voles. Absolutely please please enroll union stallions because the but that does little. It allows everybody to to run free. Mix for their mayors against his down. You'll be able to see what The pedigree looks like of your perspective. Foles one of the one of the really fun things actually To do and then you look at it and you start to come up with hypothetical names for your hypothetical they just based on what you see on the page said. Thanks a lot. This is great. Absolutely and i'll talk to you next week. You got said fernando everybody sire watch can follow us on twitter. Sire watch pedigree focus brought to you by hill and dale. Let's take a break here. And when we come back ed martin's going to join us and Ed's gonna explain from a racing commissioner perspective What what is involved in this topic that Popped up yesterday based on Sue finlay writing about twenty-three-year-old fill no are trying to become a jock agent. Ed martin from our see. Well we come back at the races. 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But ed This story that that popped up overnight. Sue finlay advocating for Twenty-three-year-old phil miller who was rebuffed in his attempt to get licensed as a jock agent. And this is a topic. That's come up on the show over the years. I cited Diane volts who's been trying to get the licensed to practician Therapies on the backside in new york and tony black who addressed his own experience in in pennsylvania trying to get into the stand after having been accredited by rope. The racing officials accreditation program. And they said well. You need six months in the racing office To qualify ed. Explain the background of this These scenarios and what is you. Know the the motivation for these rules and how they differ around the country and your thoughts general. Well you know. i'll i'll address the The so miller case a little bit. And i'm not familiar with the the reasons why He was not allowed to proceed after after discussing the matter with The nyerere states. Nyerere steward Braulio biased So i'm not familiar with the specifics of this. I know what i can tell. You is the model. Rules require. That a jockey's agent Have some degree of knowledge in the in the industry Have some degree of experience background and at and If it's the first time i'm applying to be a jock agent. There's going to be a written and oral examination. That's what we recommend but we leave the determination in the hands of the stewards or other commissioner-designate as we anticipate that they'll be an oral interview for an oral examination and then that will lead to a written examination. I have no idea what the specific reasons were by. This gentleman was not allowed to proceed to a written exam The only thing i could say is that if he's really Wants to be a jackson in new york. When you're denied something by a state agency you have the ability to appeal. And if that were me. And i felt that i qualified i would pick up the phone and i call the next person line and there would be an internal discussion as to what happened here and there may be valid reasons or they may not. I don't know Well the purpose of the rule is is so you got people who are licensed for particular functions that have some degree of experience with the sport and Ten can come in and and kind of adapt and know what they're doing and not Kind of things up Now i took me personally i. I don't think the jocks agent has gotta have experience training a horse or or handling horse. I mean it's a different kind of function and in the game but That would be That would be my comment on that. steve is the other option is You know if you can get a license in another jurisdiction in represents somebody in another jurisdiction. They give a lot of weight to that. So the first thing. I model rules or not mandatory And it would seem to me that he might qualify under the guy model roles as are written. But if they've made them a little bit more stringent than new york That's certainly their prerogative to do so well. And in terms of in terms of the parameter It's very similar to what tony Ran into in pennsylvania. You know there It said for him to submit You know his application to be considered for the stand that he needed to have worked six months in the racing office. And in this particular case. I the you know. The the prequalification is having been licensed and acted as an exercise. Person apprentice jockey jockey assistant trainer or trainer and in this or another jurisdiction for at least one year and it it really is germane that what amongst those experiences would necessarily make it any any more likely that somebody would be successful jock agent or have the knowledge and wherewithal. I mean if somebody to give you an example if somebody came up in the racing office under these rules. Let's say they worked in the racing office for that year they were. They wouldn't necessarily have qualified either Even though they have intimate knowledge of how entries are taken and how jocks get calls etc. While the the the i can say with a new york thing is We urge everybody to adopt the rci. Model rules pretty much written or by reference It is racing's Everybody talks about wanting to have a uniform rulebook. We actually have. We have a five hundred page document that would be the model rules of racing. That if everybody adopted as written would be the uniform rulebook. It already exists. It's question of just making sure all aspects adopted I can't explain why that is the policy Continues to be the policy in new york. Given the difference in the the more flexibility and the other the recommended rule and can't be critical of an employee of the commission who's enforcing the rule as. But it would seem to me that if you think something that needs to be changed you gotta take it up. Line and perhaps Perhaps as a way to continue to do that I think there is but he's but he's got to do it. I can't second guess him affects it far. He's he's got to do it. And it's interesting i in and just pulling up some you know some random rules From different from different states. And and maybe you can direct me on the rci Site but i. For instance in delaware it it says This was an amendment to a rural. Each jocky agent shall obtain a license from the commission. I is essentially is is is this. Obviously this is a determination by jurisdiction. They can they can build whatever parameters into the licensing requirements now. They've got that right. I mean the model a rci zero zero eight zero three five jockey inches and it's pretty clear it says you have to prove that you are representing at least one jockey that's licensed by the commission so that we know you're jocky agent And you must demonstrate stewards that you have a contract for agency with at least one jockey that you'd be qualified as determined by the stewarts or other commissioner-designate by reason of experienced background in knowledge. Now that's a very broad statement experience background and knowledge a jockey's agent license from another jurisdiction. Maybe accepted evidence of experience and qualifications. So in other words. If you're coming into new if you're coming into a state from another state and you've gotta jackie's aged That should be sufficient to approve your experienced and qualified. And even if you have that they could give you a written exam or interview in an example. Now if you've never been licensed as a jackie agent before we recommend that all applicants be required to pass a written and oral examination now the extent to which of of what is discussed on that is up to each individual state. I don't know what happened in in this particular case if there was a discussion if there was an oral interview and at the end of that article interview This stewart decided not to let him proceed to go to a written thing. I don't know. I don't know and i don't think anybody knows they take the stewart knows and maybe missed melanomas But if there was something said there that would demonstrate that maybe I'm not yet ready for prime time. you know. Maybe the decision was the right one But then again if you're if you're applying criteria that is so stringent and is not Far more stringent what's contained in the rules weeks. We think it'd be a judgment call especially somebody who's been in the game and around the game right and and certainly Mr miller pierce to be have been in and around the game with an owner these these kind of raised on the backside so That's pretty much what i could say about it. Steve i mean i i can't say that I wasn't party to that conversation Say that given the facts in this case would have decided the same thing but You know it is there. But i would if i were mr miller i would And he felt that He ought to be given a shot that the name again. Maybe they revisit their criteria. You know i certainly as far more stringent than it is an awful well and and clearly this is this is a when it comes to You know the way. New york gaming commission And the way the stewards are are applying these standards. It's obvious that they're more. Stringent per se than it seems other jurisdictions because i think about diane volts and her ongoing You know efforts to practice You know alternative therapies. You're now you know i'm not. I'm not familiar with the specifics of kate share. The only thing i can say is having sat years ago as the executive director of the new york racing and wagering board which is now in gaming commission right. There are other state laws with the with concerning the practice of veterinary veterinarian like procedures that what the race commission is allowed to do. And i can't say whether she's caught up in some of that or not. That may be a matter. That is totally beyond the authority of the new york gaming commission it It's been a i mean Because i remember. I remember ages. I remember steve. I remember years ago. we looked at the concept of bring equine massage therapists in on the backside to basically be licensed by by the new york racing and wagering and we ran into the laws governing the practice of veterinary medicine. And and that kind of shut us down in our efforts to try to To try to allow that. And that's you know. That's when i was working there that's fifteen years ago but then the You know. sometimes there are laws that govern things beyond racing that constrict you for instance a lot of people talk about out of competition testing The in some jurisdictions under the current state depending on the state you may not have jurisdiction over that horse horse not entered in a race or has not been an end is not on the grounds license facility. I mean some of that's going to get fixed with the passage of the federal bill but that has been a That that that's been a legal thing that has That has stood in the way of a lot of things that people uniform wanna do. I'm going to Send out a link your money. Yeah no doubt no doubt. It's you know there's and there's a lot of intricacies. And that's why that's why i reached out to you because i knew you could at least provide you know a an over rap For the help people understand where this is. I'm to send out the link. You know to the model rule document that ed referenced. Which is you know. Four hundred and fifty pages plus and I'm going to give everybody a chance. You can go right to the jockey. Agency action You know to see what you know how are. Ci has has handled this and because this thing is is obviously you know got some legs and and is going to be Either pursued or or you know. He's going to continue to be discussed. But i i love the experience background knowledge Bb k will call it For now on yeah as as a criteria that's That that makes perfect sense. Well no yeah. I mean it's it and and you know without the constraints of a specific rule dictating otherwise it would seem to me that that's were certainly meets that while we've got ed We're going to also visit the piece. came out yesterday about Some added definition and restriction on croppies at your thoughts on on what was instituted in a where we stand when it comes to these jurisdiction by jurisdiction addressing How much crop use can be allowed these days. Well you know. The the the the the the structure in the united states of of the state regulation of the sport is that's kind of a given. That was the net result of how other forms of activity are regulated. It's goes back to my founding fathers in this country What we try to do is set standards. That are Will address a that that can be adopted uniformly but the decision to adopt rest with each individual commission. We've had quite a discussion because we're trying to get this right And we believe we did the discussion on the crop. Is the the first people we asked about the existing crop policy were regulatory van. And i said listen to what extent what extent our horses coming off the track cut up as a result of of the use of the crowd and it is extremely and i mean extremely rare. Yeah that's what our regulatory have told us so the issue that horses are being hurt out. There is It's not what our vets who are charged with the client welfare responsibility telling us now. Racing has an image problem and the image problem is. We're not properly caring for horses. And of course the use of the crop contributes to that and the jockey club has done some significant research in that we actually have a webinar posted on our youtube channel where this issue is debated some all sides and it runs about an hour and a half and anybody really wants to get into it ought to go there and watch it What we did several years ago is we changed the requirements of the crop of the crop to make it more humane to the horse because printer to that there were instances of forces coming back and cut up. And but what we did is we put toppers on the end and So when you when you strike the horse you hear a pop so now that the crop is louder than the previous crops were but the crap is If if you would a whack me with a crop right now steve. I'd probably start laughing. Wouldn't hurt. I would laugh okay and and and and but it's you know it's it's an image and one of the images is that people are wailing coming down the stretch you know using the crop even though there have been restrictions and some some areas What we felt is we needed to clearly say that the use of the crop for urging should be limited and That you should not use it more than two times in a row. Some jurisdictions allow torrey. We thought to was the proper proper number And we needed to clearly define what the chance to respond was always said you use the crop in but it needs to be a chance to respond. But we didn't define that and we. We had a discussion as to what would help. Change the image and and protect against the overuse of the crowd Which is triggering a perception issue So we we. We define that as three strides. So you definitely use the crop twice three fall strides and then if you feel again you've use it again. You know And that will change. How some jocks right we think. That's a A a very doable and reasonable change. we think it will help the public perception now. You know there are some people who believe using it at all is Is is is you know is is is crossing the line. Well if it's not hurting the horse you know that now becomes a again a perception and judgement thing now. The new jersey racing commission has outlawed the use of the crap for urging certainly within their rights to do that and we are all looking to see how that works out there are other jurisdictions around the world that have Outlawed the use of the crop. There are organizations and raising the jockey club who believe we should outlaw the use of the crop other than for emergency control purposes These are incremental changes. We're trying to bake the we're trying not to also Change the actual sport because the public expects the expects everyone to try their best effort to to to win a race And and you know. That's why the jackson show the crap of the horse. You know that sometimes is the motivation deal. If you you you give them you know if if you use it twice and you know there's a there's an audible pop the pop is probably worse than the it's audible. It's a stimulation so that is potentially helping a horse the two Skews me kinda wake up and and you know you know. Come down you know. Give a better effort coming down. this is This has been a very tough issue is a number of people who've come up with you know the threshold issue is do you allow crop for urging and there was almost universal support for that with the exception of say the jockey club and some regulatory people but most felt that it should be allowed for urging in a limited sense. Now some people have come up with the they're all there should be Six no more than six strikes in rates. no more than ten strikes in a race We we discussed that issue ad nauseam. And it's like like the maryland and delaware have adopted a strike limitations in their roles. And it's worked well for them In some jurisdictions The liars believe that that's an arbitrary standard and it's subject to if you start citing people For seven seventh strike is a violation. You've said an arbitrary standard that would probably be overturned that the concept of the overuse of the crop. We felt at the end of the day needed to be in the judgment of the stuarts because some races are longer than other races. And you know you're going to come up with a number You know we feel that. That are credited stewart. We trust them to make the judgment call. And if you know upon review of tapes that they're not calling out. Jackson are abusing the crap Then that's something that maybe they shouldn't be understand. And so we we took position that we set guidelines the guidelines is basically that you should start Taking a look at it if they did use the crop more than more than six times during the race But we left the judgment as to whether it's a violation in the hands of the officials. And you would hope And this has come up as this discussion. You know has grown e. You really would like to think at that that the stewards have enough proactive Interest and involvement. You not to have an ongoing dialogue with the jocks. A and and this is a topic that extends beyond the use of the crop. This also gets into the whole The hurting problem that we've got and you know guys getting away with a really Egregious examples of of particularly of hurting and not to mention the you know the danger involved in it and it just it. It does feel like he can file this under the category of stewarding. That is not proactive. Enough and That that's something that's easy to solve if there's you know better communication and You know if we kind of went back to film school and and some of the things that you know the for years managed to keep these topics said bay automatic professor one of the reasons why we several years ago started the racing officials accreditation program these points of emphasis. And we we make these stories come in for continuing education every year right And and you know that's that's raise the bar that You know like an anything in life. You're going to have somebody who's not as as somebody else and we need we need. We need the we. We need to call them on that. And that then also becomes a management issue for the individual racing commission. And you know if if there's an official that the public or participants think is not doing his job. And i can understand why people would want to speak up. But those people are reviewed every year and We yeah you know they. They you know their job is not a given. You know they get reappointed. And if they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing then shame on all of us that they're still there and we had that discussion at our board meeting last week and You know if a stewardess is letting somebody abuse the crop repeatedly you know You know It would seem to me if you don't call that person in or you don't sanction that person you know based upon A gross violation or repeated viollis. Then maybe you shouldn't be in that job. i already getting. I've already gotten a couple of texts exactly in that same Exactly in that same vein agreeing with that I let me just say that. Sometimes sometimes somebody who's licensed and working at a track doesn't want to raise their head because the stewart's in some cases i'll tell you a story when i first started at the new york racing wage in boy i came in and You know we had We had the thoroughbred storage and we had all the judges at various highness tracks and That some of the harness judges felt that the track was there track and they can do whatever the heck they want to do. And i remember we had a meeting of all the judges and so forth and it was pretty much. You know. we're looking for uniform application of the rules and you know we'd have these meetings and everybody would ignore what i said when i decided one day. Steve well the heck with this. Okay that the that the officials in the stand who got a little maybe too comfortable with everybody at a particular track or we're not doing things handling things fairly software. Let's say i'm not gonna. I don't remember the specific. Let's say the crew in buffalo. With all of a sudden for two months get sent down a yonkers mcclellan the authors would go up to the chrome potato. Go over to the vernon and vernon might go with a so. I wrote them rotated them. It wasn't your track anymore. You have rules needed to enforce it. They beat it to being enforced. You know consistently across the system. Now you know that was a long time ago. And boy. I got some good some pushback from the unions. But you know that's what you no and you know. Then i'll show you got to the point where everybody's struggling doing but if somebody has the issue if somebody has an issue with a particular jurisdiction and they want to get it 'cause he attention of the of the and then they're afraid to to bring it up. I will tell you that over the years we we at. Rpi have received inquiries like that from people not putting out of a certain requests for that but on collective goal is to have the system work as best. It can and if somebody's doing something wrong even if it's somebody you know who's abusing their forty or or something you know about it or we know about it we can get the word to somebody and protect the source and just so you gotta situation you may have to look and may or may not be corrected but what you really want is you wanted somebody to look at and and we do that. You know we we. We get those kinds of requests from time to time and we we protect people would do it. I'm not looking for people. I in and drop downs and people that you know. If you're feeling really bad you know just the info at a cis dot com and lend up on my desk and You know we're a small organization where member based organisation. The network is like you know. I do the ability to call up an executive director and say listen. I'm putting up this of them. Maybe accept me to be looked into and more often than not to go add. This was terrific and I'm i'm glad to connect On the fly to get you in here and It's been too long actually since we've talked and normally i would have seen you at Right now actually. Normally we'd be at Arizona for symposium but I appreciate it greatly. No sweat station but looked forward to see ed martin everybody Who's really sent his entire career taking care of these topics and addressing these topics and I'm so glad we had a chance to kind of flesh this out. I've also sent the actual page of the jocks agent. Rules that he talked about and You know obviously. Obviously they're different from the way new york has got This structured and You know i'm going to add also linked to the four hundred page document for people that have never looked at this kind of thing so you can understand. You know what the work is of our. Ci and how they're addressing these topics all the topics that they have to In terms of administering racing and para mutual product. Let's take a break and he's going to close out the morning and We'll we'll come right back and finish up on on what's been a pretty full full wednesday The kind of I just looked up. I saw his eleven twenty. I gotta get Andy here and Probably see if. I can carry them to the top of the hour. Usually usually you know. Usually the the egg timer goes off at about twenty seven minutes. And he's got. He's got a pretty good Heddon pretty good clock in his head. Like jackie back after this eddie surly.

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"This will do. Just back off the visit with sid sire. Watch a better refocus. Brought to you by lyndale. Just checking with k. k. You need lenny's you got lenny's number. No or should i hear senator just in case sometimes because lenny will actually it's been It's actually write about exactly. We talked to lenny subsequently but it was a year of a pretty sure it was just a year ago right about now right that that That at and passed as it happens Well in this case one of one of the individuals and and operations in the sport. That i know lenny just held in the highest regard lenny. Showman good morning morning. About how how much anybody can stand him as once a year. Love it Well you know i i. I had a variety of people across my mind immediately To to bring on today and you were. You were right At the top. Because you you'd get glassy eyed talking about judge. Take it up the being a racing fan going to the track out in hollywood park once a week or whatever you know we don't we don't think about breeding all that much you know necessarily horse players perhaps but once i took the job and bloodworks and moved to kentucky in two thousand i it became obvious to me that i really had to get up to speed on breeding you know and this all aspects of the business and you know you start to learn things and you start to look at this at this organization that th that seemed to be the nineteen twenty seven yankees when it when it came to breathing in a relative everybody else and and they didn't seem to go to for sale to get their stock in this wasn't like darlie and and call more spending a million dollars you know for yearlings and eight hundred thousand dollars for broodmares Every year this is this is an organization that somehow you know was doing this internally year after year after year and it just me that the guy who's in charge of this much be a true genius of reading and i thought to usually best i mean since was just head and shoulders on an international day. A we've talked already this morning said rift on on the breeding Elements and the successes and some of the decision making as well More on the racing. Side lenny you would write features and and i know that For as long as i've known you your one of your white wales was was a sit down with prince kali But you know domestically we've had we've had representatives like doc chandler and garo rourke and he'd leave vow you know there's been this constant and then when you fold in bobby frankel and then most recently with chad brown and bill. Maher the brad cox pa baffert that have all late. Obviously in in in the prince's life farmed out A wider array of of horsemen but You know talk about the dealings. And and the coming to understand the approach through garrett and doc chandler and and he'd leave out. You're absolutely right steve. He was the one that got away and You know every time. I would see garrett's somewhere or talk on the phone on another story I would always say garrett of your thoughts on can we talk and you know garrod is called them. The boss snapped the boss. Man's deciding this man's deciding nat. We always laugh. Because i would always inquire after whether you know i could possibly get it. Sit down with them. And i did one interview them. Save at the at empire makers kentucky derby. We found ourselves next to each other walking into the paddock earlier. That day and here i was with him and i i i turned to the print and i said i. Are you having a good day here. And he turned him in any said pleasant and so that was the interview. I i did with him. I get one word at college but the first one. I interviewed bobby predict story. You know obviously you have to ask the question. You know which i did is like bobby here. Yard jewish kid from brooklyn and here. You are having major name with the horses from a from a saudi arabian friend you know. Can you talk about the. You know the irony of that. I five food. It was what he looks up for them. Because you know he's wandering up batchelor. Let's not talk about it. I was very sensitive topics that bobby certainly understood. But you know they. The the prince's run a computer programs to find out who to give to in america. And you know. Bobby ended up scoring the highest of anybody. And that's how that's how we pick five out but you know bobby loved all of his but man when he would talk about or show you you know the judd. Mont phillies in his par man. That's at that pace just with light up. You know the honest lady or flute or who. Whoever whoever the current one was Boy did he love those vilis. I mean it was written all over him and obviously judge martin and so much of his career. And you know. I told you earlier this morning that And i know that clip it sites see at keeneland or not but You know she You never know until they do. It and bobby knew he had something special but you know she hadn't run into greatest state yet This is maybe the fourth or fifth race of her career and we are on the rally together at teen and sightsee was in the raven run and she came blazing by us down the stretch and you know ran off by three and a half or four lancs and i just turned to and i said well and he said yeah you know she might be right. You know which you know. And bobby talk was yeah. I've got another superstar year and sure not what she went. Seven grade ones and who have million dollars and she didn't hate santa anita so much you would've added to that with the breeders cup path but But man they just kept common and common and common and you know the they just meant so much him i could. I could not come up with with that raven run. There's quite a few and there's some that do go back into the arts but th that wasn't there and unfortunately and i dig around And i even look for her humanity staff. Which came you know the next year as well. You know you think about sightsee. Here's a perfect example of some of the things we were talking about with with nick luck when you go through this litany of success and a horse like site seek where would she even fit in the top seventy five of of the horses that he that he produced or campaign. Yeah well interesting. And she's out of a man and viviana didn't really do much arrays is. I think she may ninety five thousand at the racist but you know she ended up just throwing one after another after another. And you know it's night's sixer self hasn't produced all that much of note the man i will guarantee you. That hurts. come back in for this like crazy. 'cause sometimes that's just the way it seems but yeah where she said i you know yeah seven greg ones in two and a half million and you don't even know that you know. She cracked the top ten or not but Yeah it's i i you know. Just ask to be able to ask the what do you see here you know how. How do you know this is going to happen. I it would have been the most fascinating conversation. Probably a of my life canal. How he's figured this all out because this couldn't have been by accident. This isn't one or two mayors that you know that went on and produce this scores and scores of them. And i i hope. I hope that that combination lock got paths on. You know the combination pass on to somebody else because you know that's good knowledge to to just go away without passing for somebody. That's good point. And the you know the group of advisers and with the input that i it seems like that's been a constant but everybody referenced at the same time that he was the decision maker. It wasn't it wasn't like he you know rubber-stamped recommendations that they you know they they put something front of him and then he said okay. That's like you know like Like the don with that Jug of oil reason. Why jared is your per to and park man and you know and the other thing that that you know. It wasn't a breeding decisions. But you know after bobby a pass and they wanted to honor him you know that they had a decision to make as to you. Know what a forced to name franko in honor of everything bobby has done for their american operation. And look who they picked out to give that name only only one of the greatest racehorses of all time and you know you have to make that decision you know when the worst is a yearling or or a young two year old and you know this is not an accident. This guy had an eye and a judge for talent and breathing and everything else it's just supersedes anybody else i've ever seen and what i what i always admired was just how How consistent and really and placid there were there was never any. There was never any hubbub or or any Controversy or or displeasure. That was voiced. It up there. There was never. There was never a reason to say you know i i. I'm going to root against that horse. I it it was just it just has been run with with Such yeah yeah you see those colors walk on to a race track and you sit foward in your seats see what that looks like and to see what the breeding is because because the whole thing is class all the way from from human to to the act wines that you're couldn't be more right about that well you know the the concern. I voiced this to to to nick lock earlier and he was on his show this morning he. He asked john gosden. Apparently seems like there is a survivorship Scenario because the you just you can understand when when certain You know we're dealing with something right now. In fact with those two dispersals that we've talked. I talked going into the weekend and in these couple of days. Already of the sale. With with paul pompa and passing and and with With the samsun team a winding down their operation. Those two scenarios That those are typical for for dispersals Obviously a passing passing But this is. I mean i. There's nothing even compare this to when when you think about the you know the international scope and The the importance. I mean just the just a this is as important. A racing operation as there is a in the world period. Yeah yeah and you know. I i don't think it was a sudden quote unquote a a sudden passing You know certainly there have been rumblings over several years that that he may have been in some failing health so so i think there was. You know certainly the opportunity to prepare as best as they could for it. so hopefully. that's that's true. i can tell you from a personal standpoint. They'd when i you know even when i got the email from keeneland about the dispersals coming i i still have not gotten used to paul pomp and not staying here anymore. It's still just just the children's up my spine. When i when i think about it. It's so very hard and difficult to to absorb. That and i know you had his cousin jerry on this week I just that hit like a ton of bricks and itself a ton of bricks and it's just such a. It's a locked for the for the business and it's such a personal lots for anybody. Who knew paul at all from the smallest interaction to to a closer interaction. There's nobody who came away from that not not touch. What a great human being. He was no doubt i. And you know a a passing like that as well as as well. Frankly as i'm sure people don't have the immediate Connection or or you know awareness but tammy vela's Her passing is really at the heart of of samsun leaving the game. I mean if tammy had not gotten sick i. It's probably ten years. But i if if she she i don't think she she wasn't forty. Was maybe forty something. I think you're right. I mean it. If if tommy goes on the ernie samuel's daughter d- samsung wouldn't wouldn't be dispersing well At least hopefully the wind blood goes on. But yeah you know these are. He's a body blows to the industry You know the these kind of operations. Don't come along every year and You know and and you know obviously. There's the personal aspects that knew them but Certainly as an industry. It's a it's a blow and you can only hope it. You know some something. Like judd mont And i think continue on the same kind of level that we've been spoiled to see through the years certainly the blind a lot. Is there anyway. Well and there's there's obviously stories that will that will be written out of the these results today the when when quality broodmares. You know that are the you know the result of careful breeding like the particularly. I think about that. You know the twenty-one samson mares and i mean. I read through the list of a list of stallions. These mayors were in full to. It's it's it's unbelievable. I mean warfront into mischief. American pharaoh candy rides hard spun distorted. You there's gonna be a whole twenty-one babies outta here that That will produce some things but it part of the games. History is the the introduction of these kinds of you know heritage mayors into other people's operations that goes hundreds of years of that. Well didn't that evans. Dispersal comes to mind. Not too distant past. And i you know arthur. Hancock held a great story because he bought a mayor out of that dispersedly. Firstly a tremendous respect. For for mr evans. And you know i. I think it didn't work out immediately. American resume so i said yeah i could hear ned evans coast coming down from heaven saying hancock. You don't need my help But but that's the way it was the name ghost lady goes anyway. You know the mayor start producing like crazy. I think maybe airports glue is from that family or whatever but you know that's the dispersal was what maybe ten fifteen years ago and you know that sort of broodmare band is going to go on and you know you're right. Yeah warner. john's i'm added. There have been some amazing dispersals two years. And you know top top quality stock. Yeah and that actually would be a fabulous topic For for one of the for bloodstock writer actually to talk about the redistribution at It's just one of the aspects of the game that's fascinating and and that's That's what's so remarkable when you know when the final The final chapters are written regarding prince kali to me that the the success of interbreeding inside and on the racetrack just They're gonna they're gonna stand alone as an incredible really incredible testimony to to him. I to as i said the nick locked to build this from from zero mean from from nothing. i. I don't even know what you compare it to other fats visits like you know like building. I ibm from from from nothing apples. And you know it's on that level Of excellence and towering above the competition and being able to get just to internally you know without having to go outside and an annex other other blood for the most part it's just it's just unmatched by by antioch and i. I'm calling it forty years. Technically i mean if he if you think about him starting You know getting a runner or two and then buying a couple of marriage and apparently the first couple of years That the eric mitchell's eric. Mitchell's got a terrific tobin. As i've mentioned repeatedly this morning. I guess the first couple of years weren't all that successful so i mean figure five seven years you know to sort of get Oriented and really. It's it's the last thirty years that you know that he fashioned all this and Until what i did. was copy from several sources. All of the group one winners. Great britain ireland. France united states Canada hong kong united arab emirates. And then they also found a section most successful horses. So i've got. It catalogued in a couple of different ways and it's seven pages seven pages to it was almost ironic. That the you know bobby frankel breeders cup winner with squirrel squared because once once he opened the doors. You know the bank hills in the intercontinental. You know all the judds Sorry coming through and winning graders raises one after another for him but But yeah it goes on. I mean i just scribbled down some names. It just goes on and on and on you know arrogant. I didn't even think about until later. Empire didn't i'm from my. He's the classic wherever the bunch and he didn't even come to mind so you get finished with all always been married. you know. Well exactly it with bobby. Obviously with bobby. That's the those are the ones you know. You think about Well let me. I've got I got to for you to choose from for us. The play one more One more race. I've got either inter-continental's philly and mayor turf or i've got to arrogates dubai world cup. I think we gotta go with the mayor right. Let's go there. yeah. I don't. I don't i don't blame you i'm and i can. I can r- there's a couple of things about that race. Actually that i'll that i can remember. I was in the paddick arlington. Breeders copper with no no this this belmont and i went down to the paddock with with with jimmy. Toner and I met. I met bobby flay for the first time before this race and and watched and and and your man john phillips right with wonder again was in this race and i think i think we i think we ended up even though i was an intercontinental fan. I i didn't. I didn't think she could. She could wire this field But this was a. You're gonna hear the names case. We're gonna play that two thousand and five breeders cup filly and mare so let me know when when you're ready with that The you're gonna hear a really nice list of affiliate surfers in this and you'll you'll enjoy. This also. goes back far enough that we get to hear. Tom durkin doing his his breeders. Cup work so i want to say i wanna say that that Roffe bay bhairon. Oh god rights. Yeah and by the way the hearts that that finished second the felt the mayor of the french second came back and won the race a year later so well well the name of course we can go ahead and frame that is we g board and this is you know this is the race that prevented ouija board from winning three straight so at anger heart to finish third behind in a kind of nine hundred. Finish second we of year filmmakers. These these were some suffering of the week before the force. Yeah the these are some solid runners. Yeah this is. This is a nice field. Let's listen to durkan here. Is prince colleagues intercontinental. Bobby frankel and full house at beautiful belmont park the two thousand five years affiliate mirror what samara speed but is there risk versus in between those two. When does not far behind mona. Lisa's forwardly placed today but there it goes intercontinental out to race for the lead as they make their way for the i heard so it's intercontinental on the outside up the lead wendy's second and mona lisa. Not far behind on the outside. Third risk-averse opposed today fourth toward the head and then inbetween. Horses is flipped running along and fifth position. Now on the outside. It's karen's caper. She's four wide around the first turn running in six hundred seventh and on hold on the inside. We keyboard right there and mid pack in this bulky field. She's running along eighth position. Not far behind us wonder again. And then on the outside filmmaker watching a bid from about ten legs out of it followed by lewis line favorable terms and gara trails. The field and very keen upfront is intercontinental. Who's the pace year. Rafeal bay around china's settler dom which was able to negotiate a half mile in forty eight and four fifths new seconds over this off going that's attempted pace for these leagues up top intercontinental now being challenged by wind as they race. For the half-mile pole parents caper looms on the outside right. They're running at third mona lisa. Underwrite a stamp with mild ago. Flip-flop continues to run. Well boards only five lakes behind as they enter the far. Turn by lewis line filmmakers launching. Her bed wonder again still about nine. Or ten lakes. Send drop threads her way through risk versus tailing off followed by terms. And at megahertz is wavy. Megahertz has been trailing update. Turns for all still shakes took now the worst case he says. He's says they're buff. They youtube buffering. The thing that's not here we got almost thing we love. Well yeah i mean she. She crap by mail gets this home. Intercontinental wins it. Would you boardman's second was third and wonder again was bored. Were there is intercontinental. Usually a very will full sort. She just liked the toss her head about and resents being restrained at all. Bobby frankel happy about the ride. That rafeal bay ronald gave her. Today was a real crafty running ride. That got her home. Well the her one by the way yeah she was fifteen to one ant pay thirty to twenty and the thing about it is she. She came in hot she. She had one. Listen to these names pretty funny. She had won the pal amar at del in the labor day weekend then she went to keeneland and one the galaxy stakes and then came into the breeders cup. And really the only hiccup she'd had through the summer she'd won the royal heroine. She was third in the maybe she had won the jenny wiley. I mean she you know she had done very little wrong. But this shows you the kind of field it was if she's fifteen two one. We g board was five to two two to one actually. Yeah yeah okay and She now out of his silly who we we haven't even discussed well you know. It's funny because i brought up danehill with sid earlier today we were talking. We went through the bloodline portion of the story. And i brought up danehill in. Here's you know here's a here's the danehill daughter intercontinental This was This was a tremendous performance. She beats ouija board. Filmmaker wonder again favorable terms. When i'd forgotten about wind and gara megahertz. Karen's caper mona lisa. Lewis line lewis. Line flip-flop risk-averse Who really did not run well. And i'll have to ask pat about the risk. Averse that day and sandra trailed so not a bad field of fourteen in that addition of the reader scope affiliate mazing mazing at mile and a quarter. Yeah i think if. I'm not mistaken Wonder again and filmmaker where my betting interests that day. And there's a lot of people i could do. We could you could check in. I always love. Whenever we'd you board comes out by trying to remember the this is two thousand and five so was two thousand and six. We're churchill in two thousand and six or mature or okay. I can't because i just remember lord darby in that in the press conference and he was you know he he'd waited a long time to get a horse like would you board and he just. He just loved he just loved coming back and and you know what are your plans for her. Well we're gonna keep running. I will. I'll try to win again. We'll try to come back next year. He was he was just delighted by few was great. I mean you're you're not megahertz to who was in the middle of that feels. She finished was also trained by bobby. And what was really a tiny philly stature wise and i just Remember the rates I don't know if it was delmar or hollywood. Where is she she was heading. Had with lord day seru philly coming down the stretch and Have been writing a lot for bobby recently and doing really well and he was on the large day seru philly that day and he probably by mistake you would hope smack megahertz and in the head with his whip coming down the stretch and As you can imagine. Bobby was was not real happy i was. I was in hollywood a couple of days later. When can't agent at the time. Tom news Trying to slay the bobby. Why shouldn't lose. Can parse say was an uncomfortable conversation for Our group that about beggar to also that road says there. There's a there's so many nice. There's so many nice stories actually up down that up and down that field. I sing when hearing wednesday and then watching the race earlier this morning. I mean there. There's a mayor that i kind of forgot about Clayborn motte Runner you know she. She had a nice career to the a filmmaker for don adam as well. Well lenny. i wasn't we weren't gonna do prince kali tribute without A visit from you. I must say It's an honor to even be considered because you're talking about just for the top the top there so A huge loss Thoughts go out to everybody connected with judgment. Certainly on this side of the ocean. Starring garriga roark. But all the people back in europol so And you just hope it goes on Just a fantastic fantastic life in the sport lenny. Schulman everybody and lenny will catch up with you down the road and out of you know on a cheery next year exactly. We'll talk to you next january. I would tell everybody to visit lenny on Twitter but there's no point buried in a snowbank. Well i i do. Have if i may yes. I do have a book coming out later. This year called the head-to-head compilation events reviews that i've done Through the years In the blood horse of which. You know the bobby frankel was certainly one of them. But it's collection about forty five interviews. I've done and so i hope to be coming back and chatting with you about that at some point without stale and so a another another lenny. Shulman thome and this that same company that that put out justify the university crashes kentucky is terrific terrific. Yeah very excited about it. A lot of great interviews People like david milch. And sam sheppard and rick pitino and bobby bob baffert and tony. Leonard and the whole section on the great women In this for like helen alexander charlotte weber injustice seeing abercrombie. And i just goes on and on but Tom durkin So it's a really nice collection. Excellent looking forward. I remember when my remember when you were pitching this. So i didn't realize it would be this close to you. Know to getting to getting released. Well head to head. It's called head to head at the head lenny. Showman expanding His author page at At amazon and Safe in fact lenny eye will. We'll talk to you in advance of the release when when people preorder. I think it should be out sometime over the summer. So i will let you. Now thank you all right there. We go the university oppressive kentucky who is sunday. Thank thank goodness is still around. Survived survived them previous governors regime and in in the bluegrass and has been very kind to thoroughbred and equine authors overall. We'll stay here. We got twenty minutes to fill out the morning. And ed droese is standing by. Good morning power there. She was eddie lennie. I had him on a. I had him on a six to five hold too. We didn't we didn't even let them off the off the hook. Run wild out certainly look forward to the book and an echo your sentiments about the press Making it through some some difficult times with its executive situation. The previous administration was ready to You know. I figured that the administration would be Oppose the things like books that made perfect sense but it has survived and They when when they have a sale when they every so often they have this sale. I'm like i got books piled everywhere. I must order three or four because the topics of that their authors have have tackled are are fascinating. I mean they're obviously kentucky centric. But there's i've i've gotten a lot of culinary. There's a lot of culinary titles in the university press collection wow Make sure. I see that next time may have a sale. All right i will. I will send you a bottle. Send you a couple of a a couple of links. Do you have a judd. Mont a thought about the prince. Kelly before we do anything else. Well i mean certainly to me frankel. sticks out Just you know. He came of age so to speak when i transitioned Churchill from thoroughbred times and that was the first horse. I remember just appointment viewing must see. Tv for international audience and thanks to eighty w Those races were easily available. I've certainly heard my share stories of people trying to hunt down the dubai world cup when that launched in the nineties to to go to the red mile and all the red tape to get them to show to cetera and Frank just seemed to really elevate you know just beyond the certainly people enjoy international ray thing and they like to avail themselves too big and small events but frankl just that was the first. I remember you just. You had to watch so if you knew horse racing even if you were just casual weekend warrior here in the states he he moved the dial and judge to be a part of that and having named horse after one of our best trainers and having sir henry cecil involved just kinda hard to imagine a more perfect storm in terms of what thoroughbred racing is in the world. And what's at that time. So that certainly fix out. And i was there in three When the prince was asked churchill. And i think bobby frankel swept the greatest fakes on the undercard and and unfortunately just couldn't get it done in the big one for the print and I i know that's probably about what would have liked to have for guy won a lot of races with so incredible story and legacy and thoroughbred racing and Can only hope it continues because when you think about john mine it's not just what they did on the track but the broodmare band and their commitment to breeding race etcetera so We'll see what happens in the coming years but hopefully the involvement were remain nicely. Nicely put nice coda to our conversations today. And i'm sure they'll be. They'll be more reactions as the week goes on let's Talk a little bit about what's going on on the oval and of course One thing that i wanna slip ahead You know we get the get these peop- said for for fairgrounds so far out in advance makes it Makes it very easy to anticipate. And they're going to get the lion's share the attention on saturday But as part of the action at nor orleans on saturday with the lecompte you've also got the kentucky derby prep race Season and getting going in earnest and an opportunity for players that we did this. We have done this. One guys are another. The last several years kind of what i was thinking. I mean going back. You know you have the the show noun show -vivor type competition and that lost a little flare. When i think we had eight eight people make it to american pharaohs derby on that certainly gave the insurance from cold feet. Going forward So we we've been you know trying to come up with ways to get a nice big number out there and keep people engaged prep season and one thing we had never done. That's actually a promo that mirrored The point so rather than Looking for you know mutual total or an roi or things like that. This is basically. You're you're wagering for real dollars of course The the the the bonus component matches The leaderboard and the road to the derby. So for instance. If you bet on the winner of the lacob this weekend at twin spires you'll get ten points for the leaderboard. And if you hit the florida derby winner you'll get one hundred points and as always you have to often twin spires dot com slash offers With a hundred fifty thousand in the purse and the grand prize i believe is thirty. Thousand plus a trip to the kentucky derby We have a feeling that This is going to be a popular one that sits big time real money up at the top down to five thousand for fifth or tenth place and There's also a consolation for those who Just participate we're gonna be giving away Some wagers kentucky derby day so lots of opportunity to pad the bankroll but without a doubt the biggest for those who play thirty thousand dollars cash first prize and a trip to the derby which should be a hot ticket this year. 'cause i don't i don't think there's going to be on her fifty thousand people there steve. Well it's funny. You say that i i i happen to have been talking to form and yesterday and we were speculating on on that I was asking him how things were in maryland. not great and there are actually positive but He he wasn't sure what was gonna happen on that front for for preakness. And because you know we're making we're making steady progress but It's not a right. Not the kind that i think we were we. We're hoping for so. How do people explain to people how to get involved. I put a link up at the website last night. So you'll see that it's a one hundred fifty thousand dollar leaderboard. Competition is what you're looking for but explained everybody how to opt in. You can't twin spires dot com slash offers. Some other good offers out as well. But this one's the kentucky derby prep hundred fifty thousand leaderboard competition once you're opted in your good week. You don't need to reopen or anything like that but it is important It is a twenty five dollar minimum wage so Little little stretch from you know some of the typical five ten promotion But you know we straight win bat and it's on your first horse that you bet some winds so no dutch ing no taken the field or anything like that and you hit when you get the point corresponding to the derby trail But all the way down to fourth of course just like the point so This weekend is ten four to one and a half to thank you. Know based on the numbers we usually get in these Those those force and third place finishes definitely gonna mean something. So don't miss a race and opt in twenty five to win in the for the proper aces is what sites how you enter each week. Nice i will remind and we'll start to start to look at the leaderboard as as the prep trail unwinds couple of other things. We should mention two. We introduced then. Let everybody know last week with sam. Houston getting started. There's the build your stakes day bankroll. That's going on and Tomorrow we get the first opportunity to play the sam houston space city pick sex no more jackpot To their absolute credit and twelve percent takeout fifty cent which is an interesting increment to introduce to A pick sex going to be looking forward to building the ticket Tonight when i when i start to pull it together and of course we should mention sam. Houston starting at five o'clock eastern on thursdays. So you get that late afternoon and the sequence will start at six fifty six a little before seven for the space city. Pick six no more jackpot but you that every time one hundred dollars sam houston leading up to a ladies classic day. They're gonna throw five dollars in up to fifty bucks so ten opportunities to get five dollars you'll have fifty dollars waiting for you on ladies classic night exactly. Yeah and Fifties a decent amount and the speaking of fifty. I agree with you. They threw a little bit of a curve ball. They got rid of the jackpot but also increase the minimum. And that's that's definitely going to factor in you know how the pool is played for sure because now those hundred forty four dollar twenty seven pick six tickets seventy three sixty and you know i think just knowing my own place i do and our peers and how they play steve. There's definitely that sense with the pick. Five pick four waiting for you You know i don't. I don't know that people are going to play the tickets. Maybe they should try to take down a a nice pick pot. Because if i you know miss here i can come right back and same with the pick five so i definitely think there might be interesting for those willing to suppress on the pick six and and not worry about the other two pools and that she those sorts of pets or backup opportunities One thing i'm not sure probably find out but you might now. Are they doing like naira. And it's paid out every day or is there a traditional carioca opportunity traditional carryover which seventy five seventy five percent would carry if nobody hits And the console. The console structure is twenty five percent of the pool We'll go to consoles okay. Provide additional opportunity. Our yeah and If you haven't looked yet For tomorrow you're you got an nice sequence. Actually it's ten by seven by ten by ten by eight by ten and quality wise. Quite nice you got a three year old turf. Mile starts things out a non winters a two and then it goes to a straight mile dirt allowance for foreign upsets a group of seven Deoras got a seventy five to seventy five favorite there. Then there's an a nickel claimer Non winners of to On a calendar basis goes is the seventh. You've got They're going to go a mile. You're going to go a mile with another Dickel claimer and then a seven eighths fifteen thousand nine hundred thirty. Two eight and the nightcap is a maiden special for affiliate mayors four or five year olds going a mile on the grass so the first and last leg are on the grass. And in between you've got a nice sequence very very nice Races looks like for tomorrow. And i'm going to go after it and ed we should mention. We brought you back on friday and we talked about that turf way sequence which ended up paying forty seven hundred. I mean there was one very tricky horse. The payer youths winner for forty bucks but Talk about that turf way. Action friday night. Yeah that i. That was the key. I mean it was. It was pretty forceful and obviously it seems even beyond that night with the perry bomb It's those big prices that are sticking out but you know i've i've shared with sort of the favorite percentages and things like that. There's plenty of very logical winners at turf way as well and until saturday Betting the favourite was actually a positive proposition at turf way So you know it's it's it's just a matter of finding the right place to lean in and getting creative and where your opinion strongest and unfortunately for me and my strong opinions of have not come through so it's You know some futility as of late there but you know you see those payouts and you know it's encouraging 'cause you know man. When i when i do connect it's it's gonna pay and that seems to be the case even on friday night when i thought the other four were were very habitable and indeed did but That that perry one alluded me. And it's not as if i didn't try some prices and other combinations in races that that was just one i couldn't connect the dots with and for those who get forty seven hundred for an otherwise logical sequence. Kinda pretty much. The boat of what's been going on at this year and almost four hundred thousand Ben into it as well so the number we suggested basically it and very very playable. Actually you know just so happens. Yesterday i had been colebrook on and we were talking about The horse that he and his dad sold Opening day at keeneland for four hundred and seventy five thousand the short yearling and then we also talked about his upcoming runners and the kind of a barn tour and he says that the racing at turf way has been cut throat to use that term. But he said you know he's entered some spots where he did not expect the level of competition. He said the reset the racing been really good. So that can jeff greenhill from the mac and last year. Talk about you know and turf way was really just kind of the first year of the The improvement bowing flax money etc. And you know he knew it would be tough and he posted on facebook today or yesterday. you know. He's he's over the year so far and he and i chat and i mean he basically that would have been said It's it's just a it's a totally different me. From two years ago. I mean just just a total different population and competition and We'll we'll see who's able to adapt. Because i don't think it's going to get any easier. No no well Couple of Got about two minutes couple of plays for today I don't have anything today. And i just started looking at turf way tomorrow but since our big promo kicks off the fairgrounds and i won't. I'm guessing talk to you friday. Oh well you might be back. But i d. I did want to quickly touch on the silver bullet. Day where i like. Charlie's penny Quite a bit and certainly recognize on task is the philly to be I spec super sensational. Probably take some money as well Minute walk if ricky Goes into the pocket could take them when money. But i think the value is going to be charlie penny I thought so the last race Was was good after an odd. Start and brian sticks aboard and debut granted. It was doing five. He's by race day. Out of a warriors reward mayor so mile or chee amount and seventy might be the limit. But i think there's a fast enough rate to run back to and and maybe a wake up to turn To me makes charlie's penny the play. So it's a win. Bet for me on her and underneath dot path in three deca. Excellent feel for for the lecomte yet. Yeah i'm gonna take a shot with santa cruiser. I think this is way more than just mandolin. And he's kinda marooned on the outside. So santa cruz is gonna be the place for me See if jimmy graham in gets this one gate to wire close to excellent ej. everybody eddie. I appreciate it and maybe we will not enough talk. We'll talk next week. and derosa. Everybody along with lenny. Showman sid fernando adam koenig and nick luck. Busy full wednesday. 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