20 Episode results for "Jimmy Jerkins"

PART 1: Don Little, Kelly Rubley

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1:40:45 hr | 1 year ago

PART 1: Don Little, Kelly Rubley

"Sirius x._m. Ports presents with steve forswears interviews. This is stupid in a very good summer wrap-up race fans sirius x._m. To a one sport so nights sixty four uh if you're listening to siriusxm online at our website vic dot com and here it is the tuesday after labor day a weekend where exactly where exactly do you start. I got quite a bit in yesterday today. I thought we were able to tie together. What about nine stake wins between three trainers yesterday today and then we had one afternoon early evening early actually considering del mar mark going fairly late into the night but on the east coast there was a lot going on yesterday to digest and and that included you know some last minute scratches including green light go coming out of the the hopeful that jimmy jerkins taking every precaution i understand i understand why good away they would do that and what's amazing about green light. Go you know exiting at the fairly late developing kind of decision because the rain never relented. I mean ed ed there. Were moments where it looked like the skies were lightning a little bit <hes> but then more rain came and i it just was just not a pleasant way to close out the an otherwise very good summer saratoga but then hours later you're in the del murphy dirty. You have the incident where great rings ducks and drops drain van dyke and holy cow. Here's as you're you're too. I mean heavily favored and overwhelmingly likely type two year old males closing out the meats but luckily nobody hurt van dyken and flavia pratt who <unk> was affected as well flavian on. I'm gonna forget now. The they move <hes> storm the court both okay horses okay and they'll dust them off and then figure out what to do next but <hes> you know it's a lose an opportunity at at one to the two which is what eight rings in a left the the gate as has a three dollar proposition and then given what transpired beyond that portion of the race ace the rockingham pair nookie and wrecking crew running one two and inaki you know karan fine <hes> thirty five to one under novato arroyo junior from peter miller and wins and wins anna winds off by a couple of lengths race was very slow and comes back with a fifty nine buyer and and it kind of <hes> reinforce the notion that that eight rings with a a clean leaned on eventful trip most likely league dominates that that running can't say the same necessarily about green light go but i need asmussen a great way to close out the season season running one-two-three in the hole and it was basin from out wide that wins easily and and wins. I mean really a with authority under jose ortiz jackpot farm leaves map and <hes> you know. I don't know if you saw if you follow sid said had quite a few thoughts about this and came up just as recently as last week with the bridled song yeah legacy. Let's call it an heir to his stallion abilities well. This is a big win. This is a very big win for leaves map as a as a stallion. We'll talk tomorrow to sit about that and get his thoughts. But what was what was notable about. I thought about about this performance. Let's let's see he went off. Whatever three to one gazillion took in the absence of of green light. Go zillah took a lot of the money. I ended up personally. I tried to get that american butterfly who i liked a little bit when he broke his maiden in what was supposed supposed to be candy tycoons. You know big breakout opportunity <hes> for him <hes> and his his maiden maiden voyage. We'll come back to todd pletcher in a minute regarding fancy two year olds but i thought maybe american butterfly had a bit of a potential look in here and he actually sleep. He took some money early then floated up to fourteen to one and i ran well he compromised ended up compromising goes zillow because basically lewis is and santana hooked up and the two of them were were basically no you know had no response and and we're victimized later after going what forty well forty five and four for the half and here came basin. Who was you know basically sitting a beautiful beautiful trip stalking outside and shoplifted kind of came running up late to be <hes> second then he got past gazillion the last jump so one through three for the asmussen horses in in the absence of green light. Go the worst the worst and i don't wanna say disappointing. I by your side. Was you know when when when you restructure your tickets and we'll talk about the pick six <hes> probably talk about that with andy tomorrow but <hes> the you know the complication that green light go posed when the decision came in and dave greg circulating the news that the green light go was going to scratch. I mean i personally i was going to try to it wouldn't have mattered in the long run. I was going to try to single green light go and ed gouverneur morris and spread in the other four races that was my approach and so having rely go exit you know kind of made it tricky they even further to build a ticket now we all i the magin anybody that had any any medium sized budget for that pick six single governor morris i did and and he was terrific absolutely louis <hes> everything that you kind of expected from him came to pass and an eighty-three buyer for him very very very conservatively handled <hes> by john velazquez and he got a pretty good experience here because he got bounced around a little right outta the gate and then johnny saddle them and then came and took over in one off and if you did not see him gallup out <hes> he galloped out and kept galloping out and kept out and he i mean that was was quite notable. This was only five furlongs so you gotta expect <hes> he'll be champagne bound and that gallup out they probably was a mile by the time the johnny kind of lifted them up. I don't even think the cameras stayed they'd with him that long enough to see him the ease up so clearly this constitution colt unbridled song actually involved in here as well as the sire of addison run. This was a <hes> <hes> a brogden product makmur hall and company six hundred thousand dollar two two year old and training purchase at gulfstream sale and team valor and windstar involved here in constitution is <hes> certainly getting done and in fact. Let me see the first outnumbers are just gaudy. This is now the twenty. Let's see this is the twenty seventh debut of constitution product eight wins the constitution absolutely <hes> making a mark another the tap it off son sons aphid are we up to are we yup two grandsons of capit- yet that's got to begin close tomorrow so governor morris at three to five he made he made three thirty look good and then you had to do this a quick rundown. Danny california gets passed pipes late at at six to one and so that knocked the some people out the what there were two obviously knockout horses in the sequence and forever changed the flashback philly for charlie baker happy face racing and hayfield you know at even and money i guess you felt a little confident <hes> turning for home <hes> but forever change junior junior alvarado <hes> kinda was looming down inside came off and and gathered up the blinkers on. I suppose i mean if you're looking for. There was certainly from a from a standpoint and that element forever changed have have to approve but the blinkers may contributed and you got twenty six twenty and that was a knockout words that knocked me out <hes> kurban orban kurban longtime between drinks as they say and <hes> the the last time was the bernard baruch last year pretty funny he was terrific and i i know i see i see people asking about the the course switch and i you know i i honestly would you was they're going to be a big difference. <hes> you'd think urban or i. I don't know i i would have preferred that. They announced that you know earlier they make that decision and announce it but i don't know it's not like switching from turf dirt and <hes> it it they still ran it on the grass and rosario with a very confident handling anchor encou- ban you know if you heard karen mclaughlin we should reach out to caryn because <hes> they're they're big target was the shadwell all along and the caribbean is run. Well this year. It's not it just kind of circumstantial part of it is dealing with the likes of bricks and mortar in the manhattan and the and the turf classic but but he was terrific and here and the mile mile and a sixteenth feels like it's just a little a little bit more to his liking and and <hes> you could see by the splits how heavy the the turf was in fact they even called it soft so caban for shad well the familiar blue and white stripe pat and that got us to the hopeful that basin aw eight twenty and then the nightcap and of course the dow note <music> obviously with <hes> the antonucci runner borough boy going wrong <hes> top top of the stretch the eighth pole past the eighth pole you ever take and eric can't sell and he go to the ground and aw just after a a solid from safety standpoint of what had been a good summer out of del mar. They had a pristine from us racing standpoint. They had a pristine summer not a single incident. <hes> the and and really if you look at their <hes> jape ribbon wrote about this this last night the the only incident all were in the morning and by all rights. It's you had that freak accident involving the karla ganesan and baffert horses. I mean that's just you know. That's just bad padlock. That's not <hes> that's not a safety concern. <hes> so only two training incidents at all at del mar they had he spectacularly safe summer and <hes> here borough boy the fifth fatality in the afternoons <hes> but otherwise a a you know a relatively safe summer overall but that was not the way we wanted to end the summer and certainly the twenty two to one entry. Uh dr veras way mccain can't the mossy and veggie hernandez with the seven pounds wins and rewards successful empire six players twenty three thousand eight hundred dollars basically good return a real good return and they bet they did bet four million as we kind of were playing around with with how much expected to see and they bet actually five times not four times <hes> pot five times the pot so you ended up with a total pool of five point a little under five point four million so a very nice very nice return and for those that have been asking about the return to belmont and what's going on with the pick six there the word is they'll expect to hear from the gaming commission this week <hes> they expect approval to do the empire six at belmont <hes> and as soon as that approval comes we will then get a feel for <hes> for what they're you know how often they'll be distribution in based on what we saw at saratoga. You would think that about every seems like about every three weeks every yeah maybe about every three weeks and for those those of you that are are wondering too <hes> word continues to come from david rourke that there is no firm <unk> decision about the move to acqueduct it very well may come at the first week can october it but once they get a a little handle back down state about the construction <hes> the arena and the timing being in and everything else the three o'clock start but other than that they're gonna take a wait and see the very welcome end up running the the belmont meat as you know as normal so that is not decided officially <hes> and give him give him a couple of weeks so there's a couple of things for next <hes> the racing starts on friday and of course you've already got a big saturday that was has drawn yesterday <hes> nice third leg of the turf series three year old male female the the jockey club derby oaks and also that new grand prix <hes> the mile and a half so and very nice couple of cards to start the belmont lemont meet. If you haven't looked ahead to friday and saturday meanwhile <hes> in addition to new york and the wrap up their wrap up at del mar we gotta talk about the juvenile uh-huh turf races as well. James stack came in and upset juvenile fillies turf at del mar yesterday yesterday once what's more irish bread and i don't think i had a chance to talk about encoder sadler and russia's notice what a great summer they had not just <hes> john had a great summer obviously with the the sadler with the steve but his other clients as well but encoder the english channel that one that juvenile turf hoping to talk to john sheriff's today today actually <hes> about noli and the derby win on sunday haven't got to that and then around the rest of the the ovals yesterday sunday stuff that having a chance to do like <hes> visit darrow and kelly harry ruby kelly ruby won three races over the weekend saturday. I think friday saturday sunday three three races at three different tracks racks and <hes> reached out to kelly as well philadelphia yesterday. You're playing along with their little bit. They had a very good guard in a really really nice card and in addition to watching saratoga. Yesterday i was keeping an eye on on the action parks and pure sensation and of course the match series one more match series event yet to come. That'll be a mammoth but the two graded stakes yesterday and then the the supporting card pure sensation he's unbelievable eight eight years old christoph lamont and the generosity does mazing and he dominated three to five at the survivor inquiry but he did and kate massey with veteran dini read very well and claim foul on pearson station but it was not if somebody else did as well there were two. I think there were to who claims foul but pure sensation with paco aboard paco sweeping the graded stakes that that guerrero trainees eighty spun to run the and if you didn't see the smart jolts there were a couple of races of people did not see this weekend i guarantee just because there was so much action action and the smarty jones at smarty paraded yesterday and if you didn't see the pictures of pat chapman then just the just the light had to be on hand and you could just tell it was a really nice scene at parks marks and you got to be a little careful when you when you get these veteran stallions or retirees and you put the saddle on them and you start parading him. They get keyed up right that that all of a sudden they get on their toes. It doesn't matter it doesn't no matter that they're sixteen years old or fifty whatever it is they they know they remember spun to rug though the hard spun colt if you go back to the haskell juan carlos guerrero was sky high hi on spun to run and his coming to hand broke his maiden in june january excuse me and yeah then an allowance when he pointed him for the haskell got a placement behind the heavy ads maximum security and mutual gustavo and and then targeted this and the pennsylvania derby and this is a really nice game or any out gamed great magician and you know a great magician is not maximum security. He's not even muccio guzzo but he's he's okay. He's a mid ninety s you know grade to grade three stakes type and it looked like it looked like great magician had him at paco perseveres and spun to run pull that race up <hes> it it's terrific and then of course there was the juliette <hes> foxtrot the john baby that was out of this world and then a race that i guarantee you has somehow gone gone under the radar but you had the the florida stallion races the florida sire series races at gulfstream on saturday and we got to reach out to ralph checks because ralph with the the upset liam's lucky charm and if you've not seen this <hes> i you you are missing out because chance it the saffy joseph who went off at less than two to five that the two of them hook up and it is out of this world and the leaves lucky charm mm-hmm prevails really a for mr campbell and try to get get the video. I'll find the link because when i caught up with it i was i was like wow look at this and the thing that alerted me leaves lucky job comes out of this with a ninety ninety one buyer this was in the affirmed the girls race to give you an idea see sees valentina. He came out with a forty eight so leaves lucky jarvis perform bits and chance it they they were eighteen lanks. I had of the third-place miniature yep so a couple of nights two year olds down in south florida gorda <hes> at this time of the year and of course speaking of south florida <hes> things knock on wood <hes> i it the bahamas ms weren't spared but <hes> i have not seen what the storm is doing this morning but <hes> i checked in with chuck simon at one point last night and chuck say well. We're going out to dinner dinner. We bear chuck seven barely got. They barely got a thunderstorm. The craziest thing that i didn't even ask ah i didn't even ask joe joe. Everything was okay right. No no so that everybody that bought all kinds is a non perishable food. You're going to be eating mac and cheese for a few weeks. I guess and drinking a lot of bottled water. I guess i don't know maybe you build a. Maybe you build a hurricane season right so i put all that stuff in the garage right i i. I don't know joe how much how much shopping did you did. You do a uh stock. The house lots well well. I saw pictures my my my cousin debbie abby who's down to boca because debbie. She said she sent a picture texted. A picture tina nine of empty shelves at public's. Joe's got enough water for a month. She says we're to my cousin that my cousin debbie who she would need back to find the kitchen in her house she she said the picture she said i. I'm running around public's like a maniac. <hes> this was supposed to have been on sunday like four o'clock and and the shelves were just empty. There's just nothing so for those of you who are are famously. It'll procrastinators. You went the those of you who thought we'll be all right. You got away with one this time. We've got don little junior is gonna join us and kelly rudely. We'll get kelly in here and later graham ocean graham with a nice weekend john white and much more jimmy jerkins. I was made that decision yesterday to to hold off on jimmy just as i figured you know i thought i thought green light go would win. You know rather than have him on yesterday. Speculate talk about preservationists <hes> we'd had him on t._v. Tv two one on sunday with seth but it's moving day today. It's always tough. Bars are are pack it up some cases. You know you you start to send horses back as they run late like <hes> i was sunday morning. I stopped at gary's barn and to say goodbye to the the phillies carlisle bell had already gone back at virtually they're only about eight horses left gary very tried to get in to some races yesterday he entered five horses not one made a race and so they just keep packing them up and send them home back film but they did say goodbye to bolt arena mid about some. We'll say goodbye the first half hour here back after this. We've got kelly ruby. We've got don little junior it and more at the races but the big bowl on the summer season back after this apple races with steve big on sirius x._m. Radio hey what's going on. Mike here and i'm gonna tell you about an offer from my good friends at express bet. Let's be honest. We know you love playing the race but you can't always make to detract. Sometimes life. Just gets away of a good bet well. What if i told you about a place. We never miss it back and start with house money. 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We're back about twenty five to the top of the hour dot little junior's gonna join us in a minute and a couple of notes. I went back and was looking at some of the some of the figures from yesterday had been posted hosted and the the final number for the futurity actually adjust that up to sixty eight so the fifty nine kind of what they call a raw number and then the final number once they once they folded ended in track speed and whatnot so a sixty eight still not still monday sparkling fig for the futurity but it certainly <hes> certainly better than the fifty nine <hes> that came out <hes> early so sixty eight the final the final fig and and <hes> the obviously the the favorite in the favorite not not being able to make it all the way around because of the incident so we'll just have to wait have to wait and see i do not i. Let's just say the jury. Keep the jury out on on the west coast. I i have every confidence that the west coast will produce. I mean considering that eight rings had run a ninety four it has it has debut win i would i would not indict the the west coast males just yet so we're back with our first conversation though and speaking of figures. It's been a great summer. Preservationists comes out of the the woodward with another mid eighteen the mid august. I should say performance a one zero six and a absolutely thrilling edition of the woodward and particularly satisfying for centennial don little junior who's joining us and jimmy jerkins and the team after <hes> disappointment. Let's say the whitney and another opportunity to grade one in the handicapped division and preservationists. Who's having his most complete season capitalizes realizes dodd congratulations. Thanks steve it was <hes> it was quite a thrilling day exciting day and has always great to be back back with you and <hes> for good reason well it. It is a good reason at jimmy was with us on sunday on t._v. Yeah and he was so funny because here's preservationists stories started to be written after the suburban and your patients and his horsemanship and the way you guys have worked together so successfully for so long paying such great dividends but what a crazy situation with with preservationists who was clearly had come into the whitney a a little distracted yeah he was. I mean you know it's funny. When you say horses green at eight six but <hes> you know i it was all all new to him. I mean crowd to to turns. I mean yes it. Was you could say the suburban was to turns but it really wasn't it was an angle in two turns earns <hes> and it was just a whole new experience. He hasn't seen that crowd. He did get washed up junior thought despite everything that are very good job taking thickness feet out of the irons and taking them over to the crowd to look at it a little bit of hopefully maybe common down. Unfortunately i think it'd probably backfired a little bit but <hes> you know he was he. He sort of learned from that. I mean he did learn from that. It was obvious and jimmy dean phenomenal job taking get them over the paddock twice between the whitney and the lord warden. I mean i was there. The wednesday before the woodward and the difference winston horace schooling was quite visible gave everybody a good good feeling the the the situation with apparently one philly around the barn another problem because he is he's six. He's not a gelding. He's he's a horse and he he was clearly. Jimmy says there was one particular philly at the move things and some horses around because because she was driving him crazy and it was taking away from his focus yeah no it does when she was one of those phillies was sort of constantly and heath luckily at three stalls in the neighboring barnum and we you know he he picks up pretty quickly and jimmy dozen you know moved everything around and i mean absolutely absolutely helped and you know i wouldn't say crazy study. She tried to go <hes> but <hes> you know it is what it is nature and <hes> focusing races like this is an important thing because when he is focused as you on saturday <hes> in his his physical presence i guess you could say is is almost overwhelming <hes> he's just a big strong on imposing individual when he's got his mindset. Take us back to the period of time don and how you talk to the partners and ask everybody to be patient and and also justify in having to finance an ex those extended breaks and what goes explain what goes into being patient well. I think i mean i think the fact of the matter is the excitement and the expertise in horsemanship involved with the original you know and still existing centennial team manager dr carr the people at the farm paula parsons of of course jimmy <hes> saw the true talent in this individual <hes> right from the get-go and it was what they relate to me. <hes> which i am sort of the the can get care bear of the flag. I guess you could say and and have to educate partners in situations like that. <hes> i mean all that starts from the beginning when you have people that are interested in getting in this game you have to educate kick them right from the beginning so it doesn't come as a surprise and they get it and they understand it. A little bit that it is risk is not going to happen overnight if if it does it's very <hes> atypical and you know whereas like any athlete some take longer to grow up than some don't don't and <hes> you know from our experience you look at all of our best sources over the years. Their best campaigns have come as four and five barrels <hes> now we can say six and <hes> yes. It's different but you know there are a lot of concessions made to get get him here. <hes> you know jimmy at one point and i think even was quoted in this in the papers and impressed that he was willing to basically trained train the horse for nothing <hes> and of course we wouldn't allow that but you know when you when you get that feedback from people that are involved with the orces and taking care of them on a day to day basis <hes> you know you put your trust in them and that's what you hire them to do and i think <hes> you know everybody that had seen source you know i knew he had the talent but you know i'm not the one that's gonna make the call 'cause i'm not their day to day but when you see him when i saw i am training when he was spot on right it was something to behold and the breezes look like there's normal gallops and and and you know the patients that steve and and jimmy hatton what they saw in the source <hes> you know it was it was pretty convincing convincing that it was worth doing whatever we had to do to make it happen the the origins i mean he was he was almost the half million dollar yearling and i know that everybody <hes> last week when that ad about the male yearlings they're being offered at keeneland and books two three and four and when i see flying dixie that that's a big name emory hamilton and you certainly you know when you pay half a million dollars for a yearly. You're you've got certain expectations and ended up. You're obviously in the position that he's making himself into a stanley and he's <hes> son of arch and you know the the payoff here. Here is is to be an aunt. Yeah it is i mean i think back to say murray hamilton and king ranch. I mean you can't you know when when they had their horses in the sale i mean this isn't the first one we've tried to buy and and when dad was at at the for front of everything you know leave tried to or we bid on successfully numerous king ranch cults out of those successful accessible families we knew them quite well because scottish off or trained a couple of them you know and we're on the same vitamin when i think he has <hes> i forget exactly which one but <hes> you know when colonial fan rubiano were there some of those king ranch phillies were in the bond with us and we just this was the first one that we were literally able to afford and <hes> you know i remember when when when the hammer fell everybody dakar paul we're looking at other yearlings you know because it was the september sales so we had to keep ahead of the game if if you will and they were looking at others they were like well we probably won't be able to get that one but you stay here and bid on them and then when i called stephen let them know i mean it was elation really everybody was thrilled and so we had high hopes from the gecko but as you all know not every half a million million dollars sixteen million dollars doesn't make it <hes> i mean that's just part of the game i mean nobody knows that the number one draft choice of the n._f._l. Faldo n._h._l. Whatever it may be it's going to be the superstar you just don't you go on he. Would you see what the pedigree has and and <hes> for the true horsemen what your gut is well it it certainly when you put together a season and that includes a suburban win and the now a woodward win <hes> and basically positions you <hes> just perfectly to the you know into the fall <hes> <hes> breeders cup opportunity insight and i could tell from jimmy that <hes> you know the trip out to california wouldn't be his first preference as they yeah as a as a as a traitor but you know give give us a feel for your thoughts over the next couple of months leading in knows. He said if you were to say well back in january january this is we will source. We knew the potential is there. Um we hope things fell into place as as it has <hes> it'd be a lot easier if you're saying that the breeders cup was at churchill downs <hes> and i feel a lot better if it was is but it is what it is <hes> you know it's funny when choices ship east to west they don't acclimate for whatever reason is <music> as well as horses coming from west to east <hes> you know and it is a small as as jimmy was quoted in a few things took he has a small operation you know and i think in order to be successful in california that you do have to send your your own out there fairly early. <hes> you know everybody has their own series <hes> so but i would think you'd wanna the send ours out there a couple of weeks at at time not two or three days ahead of time <hes> and i think i mean i. I know learned some of that. From when i was playing polo and bring horses from argentina you gotta have there's an acclimation period. There's two options you bring them up. You play 'em me get right on them and you go and they last about two weeks and then that's it then you gotta give them six months off while you bring them up and give them the six months and then go on so there is an acclimation <hes> period. I think you know there's another step between here and there <hes> you know i think if you did well in the jockey ocoee kluber gold cup there would be you know it would be. I wouldn't say pressure jimmy. Jimmy has a green light from us to do as he sees fit <hes> <hes> we're not helicopter owners were gonna let him make the decisions because typically the horsemen. That's their day-to-day day-today sees things and makes the right call and <hes> you know th th we as you know in this business. When you start making plans sources it doesn't take long for them to fall apart and i think it's <hes> you know fortunate to have <hes> with us and and <hes> yes it's exciting and that's what it's all about and <hes> you know. Hopefully things continue in the the way they're going now and i think <hes> you know the partners. It was very emotional. Saturday not just for the people that have been directly involved with the horse but partners that have been so patient as well there are many tears and and the puck and the circle that day <hes> and it's been an honor and privilege to you know have them involve off with us because they're such great people <hes> you know they don't deserve enough because they're sort of in the you know the behind the scenes if if you will as our the grooms and the people involved in the day to day operation but you know it it's a team effort and <hes> you know they they deserve serve is just as much as anybody else for centennial it also marks you could see how emotional it was for for you to and very much so and it's the third grade one winner and it's very notable the at the high level at which centennial operates when you see that the three great ones are the metropolitan the wood memorial and the woodward and these are are you know these are august <hes> races in new york and and on the american racing scene and you know to to go to the next level oh to go to win a breeders cup obviously <hes> with with him. Would you know acorn acorn either. That's right. That's right that's right. I'm not even including this right. So i mean you think of <hes>. You know we buy will now. How do at this juncture of the company we by six to eight horses year. That's it and you know you can go back the last twenty nine years of <hes> for thirty five years all we've had twenty nine of the years we've been in existence. We've this campaign to stake source twenty nine of thirty five. You'd have those six years four of them. Were we bred a stakes winner in other words stakes winners from signs that we had so for the amount of horses we bi annually. I think that's a that's a i presented records. Give is probably second to none i on that topic to i'd love to riff on on wicked strong and his start is very solid and considering that he's a relative bargain at spendthrift seventy five hundred he's standing for and he seven for twenty eight with his runner so far is at twenty eight at the racetrack and he's sitting at twenty five percent so i mean you know i think yeah it's it's a there's people think on. We're gonna retire this source and make a misstep while it doesn't happen. It's just like racing. <hes> you know i mean come on the other hand. You can look at the our fabulous breeders cup mile winter carinthian i mean he he had everything going. Forming harming wins the met mile. He won the inaugural breeders cup mile mama in the slop and and he had a pedigree that was impeccable and you l. sold them for quite a bit of money and every i mean he was popular could be and just nothing. He had a couple of these. He's an order but nothing to learn him staying in kentucky and so it's it's just as risky as racing <hes> campaign and so it's you know we we strictly are racing partnership <hes> but if people i do want to stay in on the racing breeding side that opportunity is there i mean we have we still on an interesting unified. <hes> i think he's going going to be a you know something to watch as well and <hes> you know it's nice to see it's. It's nice to tell people that well yeah it. Was this one <hes> you know warfront saddest iia dreamer who is by five rubiano's best valley and you know what the influence adults at in this breeding in bloodlines of american thoroughbred now and <hes> so that that that sort of that is a gratifying thing in the partners realized that as well and it's funny you bring up the the breeding side and you know it's a it's a different kind of an era and there's plenty of there's plenty of outfits that the the partners are are intrigued by pin hooking for instance proposition as they are by by winning on the racetrack and the there's a bit of a cross pollination in to that degree i mean do you find people that that come to you. More interested didn't breeding by my son is much. I mean thank people realize we really are just primarily racing operation. <hes> we've had people say well line. We go back to buy phillies and you know if there was you know we might present to the partners like ours. Is there anybody that wants to buy some phillies. If there's enough interest of course we're able to do that but i think nowadays now a days where we have been so successful getting a cold to to become a stallion most people will realize that's what we do best and why change it and the fact of the matter is <hes> people doing this for the excitement the commodity the experience <hes> in and i truly believe though it's not documented as much as i think it should be. I think people are some of the partners centennial strictly have have a financial interest on the tax side of it. <hes> you know it takes a few years to have its cycle through but once they've been involved for two or three three to five years you know with the accelerated depreciation <hes> when you're buying and likud goup by putting together new partnership and you've closed on another one that people can take the right off from one that's closed and therefore participate dissipate in a new one and it kind of on a financial side from the tax ramifications. It's it's pretty beneficial to people that they can you know look at it that way and i don't think this business industry emphasizes that enough because that's it can be very beneficial. Oh situation it's interesting and to be honest i don i we've had lots of conversations with a partnership <hes> managements and i think you're the first to bring it up. Yeah i mean it's it's a very attractive part of the part of the whole thing. Yes <hes> the fun. The karate the excitement <hes> is the key thing but if it is presented ended or if people can look at their other investments whether other l._l._c.'s create an income stream <hes> there was opportunities beauties with the depreciation expense allowance to offset some of those games and other operations <hes> so you know. I've talked to people naira about this. Maybe doing something together and trying to emphasize that because they're fourteen miles from the los those economically charged cities in the world <hes> you know going to talk to investment firms and accounting firms arms about some of these things to try to encourage new ownership and horseracing is healthy right now <hes> the people. Let's say there aren't enough horses in this business but but you know i've always thought that like anything over oversupply too much product can be harmful and and i not to knock anybody or any business but you know i think it's healthy where it is right now and and <hes> we don't need any more says born every year we have enough and there's more retirement foundation organizations cropped up now than there ever was <hes> so that that has helped helped the image and reputation and <hes> aw i from my perspective. I think the horse business is very healthy right now and it's nice. It's nice to hear here's somebody let's say it and and and be a be positive about it speaking of being positive <hes> it tell us about a couple of the horses that we we look forward to getting back. I see the knee hoses worked over the summer and and the seems seems to be on on the right track and i see that the there's one for anybody that that isn't familiar with centennial centennial farms dot com with with everything that you'd wanna know including about a candy reid <hes> that i can tell you guys are excited about <hes> out of the empire maker mayor empire desire who comes from a very nice black type family that included to sir cherokee that mike tomlinson won an arkansas derby with and this is zella from that the sister of besides zella guam typhoon. It's a nice family. <hes> tell us about this one and actually goes. He's <hes> you know. It was a very competitive sale. <hes> you know no it saratoga unique sale because it is kind of a boutique in you know everybody's there and <hes> powerful the owners are teaming up to purchase horses that seem to fit their mold and again come back to patients <hes> we had six horses on our list <hes> in he was the final horse of the sex not and then that was not in terms of preference prince but just the way the hip numbers were and <hes> you know we were close on a couple a couple i think three of the six were purchased by mr brandt grant my friend peter brandt who i've known from the polo world for years and <hes> you know it was we were patient and just waited it out and you know we were fortunate to get him and <hes> you know he fits the mold. He's got he's got the female depth that we think he is successful. He'll be desirable <hes> he was one horse partnership and all the way we structure things is there's enough capital apple to cover the purchase price of the horse of course as well as a year and a half expenses through the end of their two year old year <hes> and i'm pleased to say i guess it would be a great time to help sell him but <hes> the partnership is fully capitalized already can can we will be going to ahead the keeneland on friday and we'll be putting another partnership which will be identical to the partnership and terms of structure that preservationists was in <hes>. It'll be a florida five horse partnership of around two and a half million <hes> <hes> you know with the focus on probably not everything out of book one because that will be <hes> the our price point would be it would be too high by our price. Point is somewhere between that we feel we can get the pedigree and the individual around three hundred fifty to four hundred thousand in that range on average so if you were to get a five hundred thousand dollars you know you might find one for two fifty or something like that. It's a lot of work. I will say that that's a lot orc but <hes> you know he's got everything going for him. He's got a ride on his back or at east doing some early training <hes> in in terms of other two year olds that we've got that were very excited about. It's called ethos that ran the we bought it <hes> the phase kipton in two year old sale and february. We don't buy a lot of horses out of there but he was a exceptional individual and he's getting quite a bit of buzz. <hes> by goes zapper out of sister that ironic is from the family of roar and eastern echo <hes> pity half a million for him. He's he's pretty spectacular. I would say <hes> the yearling we bought last year at saratoga. An uncle mo called magic. Mo joe is a nice call centurion. <hes> he's a pioneer the nile i mean these are all two year olds that we're looking forward to coming up in of course our next to be six year old rocketry who's five will be running on saturday and renamed temperance hill <hes> <hes> <hes> on saturday the third soman. I don't know what it's it's. It's dave dave greg and i were laughing. It's it's you know it's the race with eight days. The only thing missing is presented by run. Happy the craziest. I it's enough already grant. The grand prix of american jockey club sounds good it does it's nice thing is it almost sounds like a show ring that that when you put graham freon freon it makes you think it makes you think hunter jumper. I mean i look i look fit. My five is walking through the bind here nips which this morning and i was looking at the stall plaques on two of them which was the international grand prix international federation of grand prix jumping to two thousand and four well. That's what my dad took. A horse over sancho pay monte-carlo competed horse shows and that's exactly right. It's like well that sign. It sounds like the name of racers rockets. He's running him on saturday but <hes>. I guess i mean does that. Mean that we will <hes> nobody can beat the temperance. I'm fr- until track record anymore. Sold just hold that for life perfect for that he's been. I'm not a huge fan of every of of of paving over <hes> racist personally but i get it <hes> but <hes> you know i. It's <hes> <hes> <hes> there's ways to there's better ways to do that but you've got. I'm just looking actually and there's there's a bunch of horses that we saw over for the summer candy gram for instance then there's the he's jay will be a steak. He just happened to be sick. <hes> out of that race unfortunately it was and <hes> but he'll be back who is a horse by the name of elude air another goes sapper or i think he's he's coming back to jimmy and next day or two <hes> once everything settled in belmont <hes>. He's a nice co zapper. We're on the grass stakes potential <hes> so i mean it's it's been again. I can't thank dr carr impala and the people involved. I mean this is a team effort and <hes> you know it's just a a testament to the people involved from top to bottom starts. It starts with the tradition that <hes> that you late father do little little <hes> began and carried on <hes> by you and just as a standard really a you know a a a just a placid and consisted a model worked and and you know we've tweaked a few do things and i was talking to my wife and i were talking last night. He says it's you know there's a really deep gratification and that's why i was so malicious on saturday. 'cause you know when we won the whitney. My father wasn't there because he was abroad on business and you know i really thought of them that day. <hes> and it was very emotional and you know to have a into jimmy's testament to have a father son. You know next generation carry on the business that was started. You know that doesn't always happen. <hes> no no well. You know you wish that your your you know like i wish my sons were a little bit more involved than it but you know it's their life to choose what they do and sometimes it's family. Businesses get blown up when it's when they when it's forced upon them and it's just really neat and you know surprised the moment and i tell partners at and who wouldn't be possible without up and they're all friends of mine. They're not they're not clients friend front and that's the way it's supposed to be i can i can <hes> that extends to the to the training side too. I they have said this so many times since he said it himself on the show wh when t._j. Kelly the tommy kelly talked about the trainer <hes> ownership connection and he said when you when you hire a trainer you're essentially buying a friend i always got a kick out of that and and it it it's a big part of you know it's a big part of understanding <hes> you know having longstanding relationships and stability in the game and loyalty and and how that you know how that works and you know i i said to jimmy most recently i suppose supposed the last couple of years when you know he jimmy had had had had a period where you know you have some clients dwindled yelm you were key and your loyalty help sustain him through a difficult period and then subsequently the addition of stronach and a couple of other new clients. <hes> and you know it was an and you know i was. I had some partners to be honest with you that wanted to do as everybody else and i stuck my feet in the ground and said now this is worth staying with jimmy and i mean i there was a the risk of losing them but <hes> you know one thing i've learned. I learned it from my father. I learned it from gentlemen. By the name of dennis berman who was on the board of new york racing association for for years and was vice chairman of general electric was a longtime partner of centennial's centennial's and you know one of the main things and most important things in life that i learned that loyalty and and commitment go a long way in in in life and you know it it all pays off in the long run and i think that's you know aw it's proven itself. It really is absolutely a perfect <hes> perfect code into the conversation don little junior as always a pleasure that love check in with you on occasions like this congratulations and will look toward the the gold cup and beyond steve. Thank you very much and you know happy to they'll be available whenever in need it so well when you're winning races like <hes> woodward's and suburbans and we're not too bad that's a great opportunity oh two d. and for those that want to learn more at ten farms dot com and you can pick up the phone anytime and talk to don little junior and he'll he'll put you in put you in the game the right way. I appreciate it don. Thanks talk so don little junior centennial. What a fun visit at. Let's break year pass. The top of the hour and i know kelly rupees waiting to talk to us. We got kelly coming and we'll stay in the mid atlantic with graham motion who could be anywhere among eight racetracks or at fair hill. There's no way to know we'll talk to grandma and a little bit john white and more back after this aberrations with stevie nicks on sirius x._m. Radio uh amazing achievements pennsylvania breads on the world stage. 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Radio take fun it can stop torso travel ban uh-huh and we're back in the fifties our two after a terrific half hour with don little junior and you got some plain talk from from don about being in the business on the partnership side kelly rudely joining us now and kelly being lifted did higher and higher constantly now a a multiple graded stakes winning trainer visit darrow adding a second graded stake to kelly's resume and that of course came at monmouth over the weekend in the red bank but it completed about his unique a three race race win streak kelly as anybody's going to have it started at delaware park with the maiden breaking shake. The moon then moved to saratoga odd saturday when arafat came up and was terrific in that allowance win. We'll talk about that and then on sunday the visit darrow zero three straight wins you saddled and it completes there and then even yesterday nice third place finish for top line growth in the smarty jones not not a bad week congratulations thank you. I wish they were all like that. You know what you you're very selective and and you're very careful not that you don't run them when they're when they're writing and all that but you you pick spots carefully and and judiciously and this is this is the result. That's the goal so thank you. Let's ah. I guess we'll start. Let's start with the big horse. Who is you know you're so proud of and and <hes> you know i see on social media plenty of doting over visit darrow nice to you know to get him a win like this talk about the red bank on saturday sunday that yes i mean obviously this is such an eyesore and <hes> to finally get him back to winter. Circle meant the world to all of us. <hes> you know he has a lot of support and and a lot of fans following him so i think <hes> i wasn't alone in my my excitement for him in that race when you get to this juncture juncture with a horse at age wise and when we saw this with with care and in fact <hes> yesterday kurban was a year between wins and it wasn't like he wasn't competitive at same thing is true with the visit arrow and he's always been even going back to buff kelly. He's always he's been kind of a circumstance horse he is you know he kind of needs the right pace in the race and <hes> but it's not that he doesn't try. I mean he shows up every taught. Even if he four he's only link which is typical for free thing. You just can't take it away from home. How hard the torch tries every time you take him to. The races is there has there been in terms of picking spots and obviously you spent the last couple of tries <hes> at monmouth with them with the nice program there but in terms of shopping courses and distances and spots what goes into that with him well you know obviously. I don't know that the distance such a such a big deal. I think it's great now that he's won at the greatest level from a mile all the way to a mile in eight <hes> pretty much it comes. It's down to what the bill looks like and if i think it's going to suit his running style <hes> i mean we had a nominated a two or different spots going into this weekend and the right one that and that helps you give us <hes>. Give us some feel about the you know about the race and you know. I don't wanna leave out you know. I don't wanna leave out the the portion that julio be mattel plays. He's a hooligan actually was he was. He was along for all three of these winds right. Actually he was he wrote alfre. Yeah yeah yeah ooh. He's been a wonderful benefit to to the barn. He he comes once a week and works a lot of horses for me and i think <hes> we've built a kind of a trust trust relationship and <hes> it's working. You know really good writer so he was very patient with visit arrow. I love the fact that he face all the ground and and he didn't pull them out in the turn. You know we waited right to the top of the stretch and <hes> and that's how this works wants to run. He wants to run on the outside but <hes> i think sometimes we get a little too aggressive surly on and <hes> any minutes and it's been frustrating so it just was a perfect execution on saturday sunday. What what what kind of opportunity do you. There's there's plenty. The goes on through the fall. <hes> is our his days of great one an competition behind him or is it strictly a matter of of you know if he's feeling good <hes> that you're willing to. You're willing to go back up against the abby s you know. I wouldn't say that they're behind him. <hes> it was really important that we that we win yesterday or sunday <hes> again. It's gonna come down to finding the right spot and if it happens to be a great one in it in the workplace where we need to be then. I think you'll be extremely competitive there <hes> so i wouldn't say it's behind this just yet and i don't know where we're going exactly yet but we will work out a few options and pick the one that looks to be the most appropriate for for him and just going back historically and looking was curious. He has run at keeneland. Yes actually not with me. Last year. We were scratched in the gate. <hes> that's counter not your best behave horse in the gate and he likes to kick and that and he just so happened to hind leg up over the worst last year which was very disappointing and frustrating but <hes> it was fine. You know just a couple of next year and there so i think that was the most important thing is that we walked away from him on peace and the reason i bring it up is because of course <hes> the year before he he was he was actually a very good fourth beaten to in the shad well and <hes> he also came close earlier in his career in law allowance at keeneland you know it is that sand based course and he has run well of course churchill as well so that that kind of that kind of a trip might make some sense no absolutely will we will definitely take a look at that <hes> as well as accuweather no commitment yet but <hes> i wouldn't rule it out. I got asked i mean for those. That might not have remembered. He was beaten less than a length in the in the breeders cup last year for those forgot that are you. Are you trying to get back to the cup <hes> <hes>. I wouldn't say that it's been an active goal at this point. I think just getting this horse a graded win with the focus and so now we can relax and have a little the fighting so we'll see where it takes us not so sure that we would go to santa anita but i wouldn't say we wouldn't if if we qualified and i was gonna say this was big because it gets you some terms of the point structure and the way in which the grading and the mile you know invariably over subscribes so this this would go a long way as would <hes> a good showing <hes> or even a win in the shad well. If that's going to be the next you know the next spot and and i will say one thing i figure standpoint. He had a ninety seven in the woodbine mile. Which is what he earned here before he ran the hundred it in the mile beaten by the likes of expert i catapult and analyze it. I mean i if they run that race. Kelly a hundred times he wins a few of them agreed agreed. I mean that was a very ray and we were so proud of them. Certainly obviously we wish wishing he'd been up a little bit closer but you know it was it was fun but my experience in the greater scope and what a great ride the source. It's taken us on swell. It continues and you keep them in <hes> obviously in fine form at age seven and he's a horse. He is not a gelding. I you know we just had ah conversation with don. Little about preservationists who six he's here's the visit arrow seven and what is the status the terms of in terms of the gunpowder team and you know there's gotta be interested in standing them son akins joy <hes> <hes> eric is involved in that affect of it so it's kind of a joint conversation of when when it's the right time to make that move and and i and i'll i'll speak for you would say maybe maybe after his eight-year-old season on sunday. I'm listening that i would love to as long as he sound healthy and he's loving what he's doing. Love to keep running. We'll see tells us he's not. He's not the same horse and you know what then he deserves to move on to his next career but he's <hes> he's not telling us that well well and <hes> with with jerry jones involved <hes> as as a partner <hes> airdrie whatever the time is right off komo off. He'll go to a second career. Let's talk about <hes> since i've got it right here in my hand top line growth and another and board hit another nice performance in one of those three year old restricted events. This feels like a worse that that is still evolving. He is and i think that's the the biggest thing that take no on this horse is. He is very mentally immature. You just still thinks that everything's everything's a big game <hes> he does everything right and very well behaved but i think the light bulb is still flickering <hes> and he's going to continue to improve so you know. I have a lot of confidence in the source and i'm looking forward to him in the future. The future include the pennsylvania derby after that run yesterday today no all right all right. I don't think that's gonna come up with really and i don't think we're quite mature enough. Be competitive in that field at this point in his life. <hes> i think you'll see him in big places in the future but maybe not this not fair enough and and you know he is he's by tap is our <hes>. He's a gelding. It's not as if you need to be you know creating some sort of stallion resume with him so chasing grade raid ones at this time of year not <hes> not a priority but this this was another good performance and for those that forget you know he was put up in the iowa derby <hes> and doc then the west virginia derby kind of <hes>. It was blown apart. I mr money <hes> so everybody was also ran there. He was fourth but <hes> the board hit ear great three <hes> smarty jones top line growth and the group of course <hes> mr grant and and <hes> it's inter- he's got an interesting interesting pedigree <hes> that i never really noticed either between tap czar which may a contribute to part of his maturity process. Yeah this happened just before you know it took me a long time to get him to the racist because he was a big growing boy and <hes> so i think you know he will continue to mature and he will continue to improve throughout about the rest of his career. We have in the barn. Were you surprised that it was it was a strategic conversation with with joe bravo to have him as close as he was yesterday. Well i think he broke on no it would take can back right tells you take what comes naturally and <hes> i thought he was in a good position and he ran a a very nice race and he was he competitive in the two that beat them. We're a little better than hume yesterday no and that's they don't that happens. That's part of the. I remember i remember brian. I asked the top proctor. What time is it what happened. What happened with so-and-so got beat by better horse. That's fair enough. Tom always a good answer. We got we got outrun. Well that front era faina out ran everybody and you know it was interesting kelly listening to and and reading some of the analysis for saturday at saratoga and i it it i it seemed that the at least from the handicapping community arafat was being a little discounted but then she went out and got bet ended up ultimately going favored and the certainly the betting public <hes> endorsed or even if you know some of the handicapping cognitive doc the said the were were veon on her you know she came up with the one you know the the maiden win and she was you were giving away a lot of experience in that spot yeah but i think a lot of thought went into picking that thought and unfortunately again. We're late to the scene. There's not many straight three-year-old allowance races left out there so it would either run in a three year old steak or four higher against older horses and from day one we have thought a great deal to philly so <hes> i think putting her in that spot obviously turn to be a good choice <hes> but i was. I was happy to see her. Take on that competition because it kind of just proves that we were right thinking thinking a lot of her early on but i think he gets discounted because it was a maiden win at lowell not in new york and you know she did win by tendency did it easily but i think probably some of the handicapper for holding that against her but once you look at her in the paddock he's a beautiful for a very nice looking philly where i think that helps you with ending up going off favorite well she <hes> she improved from fake. Standpoint went from the seventy in the win to an eighty four year so she's headed in the right direction. <hes> she's a gun powder home-bred <hes> she's a kirwin philly out of the nice vaucluse the indy maher a rope era is a partner in in arafat. How did that inapt <hes> well. Actually there's there's three new partners involved <hes> after after the maiden bring win. Obviously we got got a lot of phone calls to purchaser outright and <hes> i think gunpowder just really wanted to stay in the game and and roper was the first one to come on <hes> but he <hes> gunpowder have relationship. They have their sailing at his farm in kentucky so the natural move for him to to join on very nice. Oh i see okay and the roths. The roths came in as the gateway yeah three new partners collections exciting. I had never met the raw so they were in saratoga so that was fun well. I'm sure you've guaranteed you. You hit it right off and this is nice for you to a get a chance could mean horses from ellen from ellen j and this is this is this is a nice turn of events no absolutely yeah apparently it you know broaden my horizons <music> as far as my career and <hes> i'm very thankful for that. I love it. What what's next what are you. What are you gonna look at <hes> with with again. <hes> seems to have come back from the race in great form so take a look. I mean we'll have several options out there and and hopefully table pick the right course. Certainly you know keeneland. I mean there's someone else coming up. We'll take a pink certainly from a from a breeding being standpoint. She i would think the stretch out it. It doesn't have to come immediately. I mean you can you could you seeing a horse win like this and perform at seven eighths. I mean she seems to have really the perfect style for elongated sprints <hes> one one turn mile seven eighths but she's she certainly bread to go around the ground as he trains like she'll go out of ground <hes> but i didn't want. I didn't didn't want to do that in our next star. Obviously saratoga only offers a mile and an eighth or seven so i thought a mile and an eighth it'd be a bit aggressive so <hes> obviously eventually yes. The goal will be stretched it out a little bit in fee and you know she ocala what the best for her well. This was a <hes> <hes> it was a family of <hes> eugene melnyk vaucluse <hes> sister luke's alley and and <hes> with the <hes> on top obviously a you know a very very nice philly and <hes> a lot of blue sky yet got to go ahead and face elders at this time of year. You know that that in itself kelly is a is a glowing endorsement. Yeah we were very impressed with her. As well that gets us to the the horse that started the whole sequence and we haven't talk much this summer about delaware but <hes> this is <hes> al the odor alberto <hes> a studio and maryland bred a sippy zippy on philly breaks the maiden and took a few tries to do it but <hes> what do you got here. You know we ran her first first time when he moves into my barn. She's actually owned by one of my riders. <hes> mode nice yes so it was really super special especially to win maiden special wait for him. <hes> we started around the dirt and yes he ran for she. She was okay and <hes> actually jillian said to me. Have you thought about graph. That's nice said actually i have so we put her in on the grass next time <hes> for twenty five and she was very competitive in just got caught as wire by wanna on a proctor sources and <hes> if race came up at i was actually holding out to run area in the forty at laurel and you didn't go before they closed down winsome odium so <hes> race came up at delaware and i thought let's give it a shot and it worked. She ran a heck of a race and she continues to improve as well. She's nice kelly and it's just so her owners and you know nice cares and it was great that every so often you see notes on online about you know about that kind of somebody that either bread one and and you know is behind the scenes <hes> on the on the backstretch stretcher on a team and that's great. I love it. I also note that you're you're. You're one of the operations we're gonna talk to graham motion in about outta half hour and yesterday my trump betta you also are in that that camp in that situation where you can take advantage advantage of so many condition books and you know you're just looking up and down <hes> between monmouth and laurel and presque isle saratoga. I mean you pretty much are availing yourself of all the opportunities absolutely i think that's one of the wonderful things and wanted them any reasons that i'm here at fair hill <hes> <hes> because we have so many options and put a lot of miles on my car but it's worth in the end well that that's a that's a line from what was that from broadway. I think from broadway daddy rose. You gotta have good tires soon to be in this business. That's i love go ahead <hes> this week. I've i saw that <hes> let me see you had got a couple in coming up of course laurel meet with with tony. Did you run anything. It's ammonium the last couple of weeks. I have never estonia. Now you gotta do you gotta run into them. That and you can watch you can watch the race from the ferris wheel it was let's start with the coming up. Let's see on thursday dixie cannon at delaware. We like to sell it and i think the <hes> shortening zero seven and a half will be ideal for her. She's actually new york reds yeah. <hes> it's possible you know. She continues to improve as well so she may make her her way up new york but i think it's important that we ourselves down here. I and luckily her owners onboard with that but we look forward to that race. She's a freud eight out of a dixie. <hes> union philly and again monitoring you know monitor condition books and see if you can't find the spot and then <hes> laurel of course i think opens on friday and saturday card already drawn and pretty good year which certainly describes describe what you've got going on and it's more than a pretty good year. This is a great notion maryland bred for leadoff stable goodyear trier you know he he broke his maiden first out. Sometimes it's almost not the best thing that can happen <hes> but i think putting him to turf his you know he seems could be a lot more comfortable there and it looks like a pretty good year and looking at the sixth race ace on saturday at laura kelly from visit darrow all the way down the shadow of a lot of good things happening <hes> clearly arafat and we're going to be keeping an eye out and it's great great to get back in touch with you and congratulate john another greatest steak win and lots of good the things <hes> continued success. Thank you thank you so much funds to check in with kelly ruefully and the unique triple that she she put together this week. <hes> winning first delaware saratoga and then mom three straight starters and julia p mattel belt aboard for for each of them kelly ruefully joining us. Let's take a break john white standing by we'll check in with john. Will you'll start to wrap up del mark at some season ending thoughts what john you now that he's home from from his experience up in northern cal humboldt county fair during the stewarding and we'll get <hes> john thoughts about the weekend at del mar and looking toward the fall <hes> back in and around around l._a. With some los allen and of course the return to santa anita toward the breeders cup and won the mentioning los l. makes me also note. I gotta take a look at the. I didn't look at it the what happened at riodosa yesterday. I was trying to keep an eye. Hi <hes> todd fincher had his first runner <hes> he wanted he wanted to stake at albuquerque over the weekend and i know that he finished third word in the all american yesterday. He was having his first runner in the american futurity <hes> but i didn't get the whole story. Worry about the the winner and what what you know what went on yesterday at riodosa of the three three million dollar all american futurity back after this though john white joins us graham motion in a little bit as well.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast--Travers Day Preview

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast--Travers Day Preview

"Narrow. Maximum security has been defeated king for. This is the Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for horse, Racing News Interviews, wagering discussions, and more. Here's your host Jason Be. Good morning everyone. Welcome to A. Travers Card preview addition of the Jason Horseracing podcast. Special Friday late early Saturday whatever you WANNA call it show. We did these a little bit during the springtime always fun to Get a chance to just spend some time looking at a card If you're new to our show and our network of shows here I'm not a huge like pick sky like I'm not gonNa just go through and okay for trace. Three, seven and four. I tend to try to make these little more of a exploratory dive into the card, but also just kind of give some general sentiments on some of the races how I think they might shape up from a better perspective whether they're included a pick five, which were very popular wagers out there. And also maybe just some general price guidelines and overall handicapping you know chatter so. Just be prepared for that. You'RE NOT GONNA get a lot of, Oh, you know one, five, six, but. Really just want to kind of look. At an early way of how I thinking about maybe attacking a card and looking at a card and seeing a card because you know each card is obviously different. You know with these big days in new. York we've had so many. That felt like the kind of chalked out recently right and. I think it's important. Remember that you know each each day is its own thing and trends are certainly trends but. The fact that a big day is formed full one month ago does not necessarily mean that that's going to be the case here and you know in general are practice of handicapping and looking for prices and quote unquote value is to try to look for vulnerable favorites. See how we can best extrapolate money from those pools for all the people who were kindly kind to bet on those favorites. But anyways, let's set. Let's get going. It's twelve race card. So we get quite a ways to go. I won't focus too much on the travers at some of the big racist because we did talk about those on yesterday's show but we will will certainly give given and plus I mean every other podcast in the country is talked about those races and so I I think you guys know who's in those races and the other problem is. I think his laws stuff to beat you know an uncle check byte be very good. I don't think I have anything really new to offer for those ones but let's take a look at some of the undercard races. I'm always a big fan of the early pick five at. At Saratoga New York general the lower takeout and just it's I think it's just a great bet. So the first race we kick off with a maiden special weight runners at a mile and a sixteenth over the inner turf course. As always you want to check your weather APPs it's supposed to rain off and on throughout Friday. Sir Togas Springs, and then be cleared up by Saturday. So I would guess a that there will be turf racing but they're very well could be a little bit of given the ground. So just be aware of that as you handicap and of course. I mean, you gotTa, you gotTa Stay Nimble Day of I can't say it enough. I know that there is the convenience with twin spires and and other websites where you can wake up first thing make your bats go about your day. I, really think it's a horrible way to play the race and I know sometimes it's all you got but. You know you WANNA be able to watch as these racist go. A strong change in track trend or whether any of that kind of stuff severely changed how you would probably approach bet the race oh, gotta stay. Nimble. Stable. Mike. Maker has an entry here at eight to one Glenn County and Chocolate Bar who One of them's coming off an ice race might claim the horse. Glenn. County off of Jonathan Thomas for forty thousand now jumps up to not even a state Brad means special. I don't mind so much the move from forty fifty thousand claims to state bread maiden special weights because sometimes there's quite a lot of overlap in terms of talent at those two levels. might not be the case here I think that's part of the reason why you're getting eight to one. But a lot of these entries at Saratoga lately have taken more money. A lot of people still really believe in getting two the price of one which you are but you gotta account for the fact that you know everybody else knows that and a lot of people are betting that, and so you know, are you getting a fair market value on the entry the number two high tide for Todd pletcher I thought this one was a little intriguing although ran last summer. And Kind of made a nice little middle move before really flattening out in a turf, Sprint. I think the distance added should be appreciated. They add the blinkers here. And I thought maybe a little bit of a wakeup candidate. This one is also part of an entry pletcher who the horse gunman who hasn't run since last October. So another two for one here Dazs well is your slight favorite and. Look at US optics as my my kind of pace profile and just for extra information, and he certainly looks like the one on optics. Now looking at his programming, he's previously trained by Chad Brown who had the horse? The horse ran four straight seconds. All beaten, very, very narrowly. Last year got washed off the turf didn't run a jump at three to five on the main track. So obviously good that he's back on. TURF. Barca tag is, of course a very, very good trainer, but I'm always a little leery of off Chad. Like that always scares me just a little bit and I and I mean I shouldn't be because Barclay excellent but that was kind of my leeriness with this particular runner I found myself like in the horse to it's outside a little more pastry money who star debuted at a mile when of my own eight last time. Was a little late getting going but did get going and just beating the length for Jimmy Jerkins Gets lasix the first time with Jimmy twenty percent out of and he's not a high percentage barn. But first time lasix really is he's very profitable with that angle. So I thought that one made a lot of sense and then the other Chad compliant I thought made a lot of sense cutting back from a mile and three sixteenths just flat out a little bit I think maybe the the cutback should be what maybe does the trick another one who likes to come from off the pace and and then the angry man on the outside in post six for magner. Another one who just kinda first time over the turf last time seemed to wake up the speed figure wasn't all that great and so but part of that could be because they went pretty slow early on You know he was kind of out in attracting spot just not able to to really and the leader up front. But they went twenty, five, forty, three, which in New York I guess isn't that slow anymore? It seems like all the racist kind of go that. But you know from from a standpoint of pick fives and stuff like that I'm probably just going with the outside three here with with four five and six I do like the pleasure entry a little bit but I don't know that you're going to get six to one and honestly they're both. They both have a few little knocks against them so They're a little bit price depending on where they adamy and my main opinion here is that I'm not liking the three does well, who's going to be the favorite. So you know and this early sequences kind of filled with favorite. So it's it's you know it's very possible. We might need to lean on one of them a little bit later at so we don't want you don't WanNa have five favorites. You don't WanNa have four favorites. The second race on the car does begin the early pick four, two mile and eighth on the main track and another entry here rob actress has little commissioner, musical art and. Musical. Hardy claimed last time for twenty five in for thirty two time. In the horse ran really really well, last time beaten a neck at. Saratoga off of Dave donkeys just a solid DIRAC NEW YORK type trainer. Actress is one of those guys that goes very hot and cold and he's not necessarily been all that hot. Here at Saratoga. So he claimed ticketed flew yesterday. So they certainly between musical heart and some others been aggressive at the claim box. Now, the number one little commissioner was a Jorges Enviro horse and we all were talking about everybody's Kinda shying away from these particular ones and actress got this one little commissioner and they debuted for twenty thousand at Belmont in the horse ran off the screen like made a big move at the of the stretch opened up and and one easily it was also five lakes clear from second to third so. This one I. think is is the stronger part of the country but musical heart certainly add something to the entry I mean this horses run two big races out of its last three, and so I don't think any reason to think that one doesn't add to the appeal of of this century. I was a little intrigued. By Hammering Amer- Amer- the four at first but. Pretty Russell had a nice winner on Thursday in the finale at Saratoga and just in general her barn cliques at really really high rate. Davidson Izzo is not all that great off the claim seven percent from ninety one starters so. This one was claimed last him out of that musical heart race and if David saw something that he really wanted to change then great. But the horses kind of in actually jumping in class same distant same surface. No apparent equipmet changes and so kind of decide to leave. My favorite horse in this race, I think is the six creative style parker who hasn't broken through yet at Saratoga, but is dropping in class just a little bit from forty thousand down to thirty two, which the Horse one at thirty two to starts back and did it at a mile and a sixteenth. This, one hasn't been too turns and longtime a lot of the Mile Mile and an eighth. The my own eight that acqueduct is is to turns and it didn't go all that well, but that was up against allowance competition. So He's been a little bit of an every other horses last couple of starts and when he runs long and see seems to be running better. So I thought this was very interesting as either an alternative or addition to the entry. The three Sherlock Oh was kind of the one who I think is going to be a shorter price race that wasn't in love with did beat musical heart last time but only by a neck and it was literally in the last jump and it was after a pretty honest pace forty, seven and three at Saratoga going on my own and eighth is not crazy strong. And so I thought maybe there was a little room for regression here and I just don't think that this one that far. Ahead of everybody else so If just kind of some thoughts there on the second race. Race number three we're going fillies and mares three year olds and up sprinting on the turf, and there is a big morning line favorite here in the number nine light at sky who. Is a deep closer. and. You know I was kind of my impressions with deep closing chalk is usually like it's always a little scary right because they have to overcome stuff whether it's pace in front of them whether it's traffic whether it's going wide it's never just as easy as a horse that stocks from second third or a horse that goes out on the lead, and this particular one has been second in the last couple starts and I kind of thought well, maybe is there anybody we can find a kind of get the jump? On this one because the horse certainly belongs deserves to be favorite all that kind of stuff. So I started looking around and the Horse I actually thought was maybe the most interesting is is twelve to one in the morning line number six can RC Angel who you know at this level has been prominent early on before fading a couple times and. You know which obviously is not the great assign but to me just looked like one who. If able to sit the trip might be able to to work it out. And you know the optics plot fits pretty decently for this one and so I just thought that this was a little bit upset potential. Certainly, the nine is a big contender in the spot I. Don't think this is the kind of horse in the secrets. A lot of people are single I. think those singles are GonNa come maybe a little bit later. If the twelve horse draws in Saratoga love that one becomes very, very interesting to me and. I think becomes a major contender so. Worth. Worth. Holding I. Mean It's the second also eligible. So it's not always a a Gimme that one's going to get him. But if you're looking for alternative to the nine I, thought the six was a little bit interesting and again, just trying to think of okay. This is a favourite that could win it at a depth, but who's going to get the jump on that horses such a deep close. There is a fair bit of speed and I just thought the six might find itself in a little bit of a good spot. Also, we're Tony Kinda wanted to like the number one violent point mark Kassy's over Saratoga and he's had. A couple bad Saratoga. In recent years I. Remember there was one year he didn't win anything until he won the four star day but I remember him saying and I think it was that God stormy but I remember him saying like it's you know it's been a long meet. So this is a good way to end it and we got denigrated atoms man come more. Anyway. So the fourth race we move on and there's a few MTO's in here's to the fields not quite as as big as it looks it is a mile inner turf race. Hieroglyphics. Is the seventy five favorite to me I thought this was the. Most beatable. Big favourite. In the sequence. You know the the classic Cliche lied for every public handicapper and and I'm guilty of it sometimes as well as you know, he could certainly win but I out of short price. That's just basically. They're slash our way. Of of you know being able to say when we come back on Monday. Know, we do the wit like EV- everybody knows that most favorites can win like we we're all pretty you know you guys all know that favorite could possibly win so we don't need to say it, but it's like habit like it's almost like a compulsion. We have to check that eight. It could whip I'm tossing hieroglyphics. I'm saying hieroglyphics can't win my thought with that is some of it is a psychological thing. It's it's. People get so scared about Hodge toll I get beat by the favorite and there's just such little value in the favourite winning when you're using it defensively if you're adding it in your fourth horse or something like that, and so to me, I'm just going to look at this race as the look hieroglyphics not going to win. So now, what do I do? And I start looking through. Okay. Who Am I interested in? Okay. I think the number two siding spring is a little bit interesting for Tom Morley I. think this one could find itself on the lead. Drop it a little bit class back to the level. They claim the horse at off dirt race but you go back to some of those old turf races and this one's. Pretty darned salty. Oh Cap toss it hieroglyphics. Golden Spear outpost eight I think is is pretty decent and I kind of like the ten bootlegger for Rudy Rod. You know he jumped up to twenty-five last time on the turf at handle the race. Well, it was only beaten ahead by spear gold. Spears five the to analyze Lakers ninety two. So. I'm I'm trying to be hieroglyphics there if that one wins okay I move on but I don't think it's going to win and approaching it from the standpoint of course, can't win. Because like I said, once you I think what you decide. You don't like a favourite like you need to really think that look they're not gonNA adult sit and play the what if because if you play the what if you're GonNa add the horse. You're going to increase your ticket costs by twenty, five, thirty, three percent depending on if you went, you know three or four. And you don't want to be doing that. Fifth Race Card, little maiden special weight, and it's a very top heavy toward the outside according to the odds board a first-time. Starters. adkisson earn asks a brown and pleasurable have won. The pletcher is is even winning a pleasure bird pile of money on Wednesday. I believe it was with first time starter. That was very, highly hyped. and. I'm guessing it could be one that was maybe a work partner with this one because they're both show and forty six and change works which pleasure is not necessarily a workum. Crazy. Hard Guy. So when I see the forty six and change her whom I certainly take notice. You know the one that debut the other day was going a little further. So I think the shorter thing maybe helps this particular one but Chad Brown also has bottle rocket man who's a high price Peter brant horse I will not be. Shocked. At all I would I would probably think that the todd is in a better spot just outside and is maybe better. Certainly intrigued by your aspirin has not had an incredible Saratoga but he's doing fine and. Intrigue. By the one here don't like the postcode five and a half, but and then Raymond handles horses are just fired their running really good. He used to be bar and that was a total toss with I type starters. He's one now two of 'em. Now this one debuted on turf but had some early speed and I just thought. Maybe could be one that improves a little bit here. I, mean they paid some money for the Horse Matic and all those types. So but I think a lot of for a lot of people. It's a lot of people are going to go six and seven. And my thought is I want to take a stand on one or the other because you know. My my thoughts early on I don't really have any. Big. Favorites that I like early on in the pick fours pick fives early pick threes or any big bombs. So can angel is kind of my? You know my boldest opinion I, guess, which is a good price. But. It's not like it's a sequence where I'm hoping I got a couple of thirty dollar horses coming into this like if that was the case, then I probably double up by ticket and go six and seven, but I'm not. So therefore, I don't want to double my costs just for one of these two, both of whom are not going to be offering tremendously because a lot of people are going to go to deepen this race. So I probably just go with the pletcher and chalk out of it there but at least. The stand there and not be increasing my ticket cost. Six race on the current is a maiden special event turf in a pretty good an interesting one, the Chad Horse on the inside for Peter Brand secret potion another high priced Chad debut. Chant hits at twenty percent on debut, which is right. But they're almost all short prices. They're almost all five, two, one, two, two, one, five, two, two, two, two, one, nine to five, sometimes more sometimes less and you certainly to meet if the horse is not getting all that much, it's very telling to me. His Roi is actually not as low with I as I thought because if you think about it, I, mean if they're all two to one and he's winning twenty percent of the time. That's not adding up to a positive Roi. It's adding up to and he's forty cents on the dollar negative and that's why right? Like if you're only winning every fifth race and you're only getting paid two one, it's not a good. long-term profitability things so. When it comes to these horses like I'm just always willing to try to beat them and there's things that can happen to a first or. His horses generally liked come from off the pace. This one's drawn the rail. I thought there was enough reasons to to be a little pessimistic about this one. Definitely treat by the Motte I or American monarch in American Pharaoh, runner working very very fast. Aspects has the four hidden enemy and while he's pretty good but I I've started he's not very good with debut turf starters. So I'd be against a hidden enemy here I of ended up liking the to the three and the sixty Al Style I. Know. A lot of folks don't necessarily think of AL stalls a debut long turf kind of guy but is numbers say otherwise he's profitable debut durfee profitable with first time starters I think L. Styles one of the best trainers, horse racing and I just I feel like he knows where to put his horses and he knows what do so. He he certainly gets my support more often than not and then the maker first-timer. Drawn toward the outside ten to one on the morning line at know part of that is just makers has been going so well, it's hard to dismiss any of his those are probably the ones I've go in with if I'm trying to beat the Chad, let's take a short pause here we come back. We'll look through the second half of this card. It's our Saturday travers preview here on the Jason Horseracing podcast brought to you twin spires. Twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars sign up bonus. When you your five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances, live video race replays, realtime, racing information, and much more, plus you can now split tickets with other players using bet share of program on twin spires that allows players to split their vets with other members for more information visit twinspires.com. 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So I don't want to go to in depth into but. For those of you who missed those ones? So the battle arena is seven furlongs for the phillies and of course, surrogate for Stran- down in post one. Bella Fina in post for those two I think both standing to get a lot of tension. Come dancing was so good. Last year as a Philly turf sprinter kind of get looking to get back on track hasn't won since. September and I think this is certainly a decent chance for her. You Know Carlos Martin, the trainer you know he's twenty four percent from great stakes race but a lot of that is the success that he had with this particular horse. She won. Three grade six race last year, four graded stakes races last year. So it makes sense that strong and those numbers but otherwise eight percent and six percent second off the layoff. I mean. She is herself and she's not a reflection of his entire barn but. Whether she can come turn back around this. Good. Last time but it was beaten by victim of love victim of loves fifteen the one on the morning line here. And it wasn't like she just beat her by next she peter by almost two links. I thought with cookie dough in the race down toward the inside. I I really was hoping that. Sarah empress has to do some heavy lifting here and Bella Feta just doesn't seem to fire very much when she leaves. Santa Anita and so this was my race where I thought it was possible to get a few big prices. My strongest push I think in here is the number six pink sands who didn't run at all last time but she does that sometimes and she's got three three races on her PP's four races where she's beaten double digit links but she's also got. Four wins. and. So out of those same ten raises. So she's a little bit of an either or but when you're getting. You Know Eight, nine, ten eleven twelve to one honor. You know she becomes pretty interesting. I think you know she did run she has around seven furlong distance a couple times and it hasn't been. that. Great. However, she won the inside Info last most recently at this distance so I'm really hoping that she said to fire big one. She's going to be a big price the other ones that I liked you know if I was. Going to try to add something in was the number three victim of love who I think should sit just off what could be a hot pace because the number five crusca. Wants. To be up front early well so You know I just thought it was potentially going to really really cook here and it could just set up for Bella Fina. My hope is that sh her income dancing while getting the setup are just able to you know I. think Peaks I hope pink sands able to beat him or victim of love. So. Only like two and they're and they're both double digits on the morning line. So hoping that something works with that the race will I struggled with. Improvements down toward the inside is very, very talented. Runner hasn't won a few starts, but obviously he's been keeping. Know very difficult, company and Breeders Cup Turf Sprint the Woodford the Kentucky downs turf sprint. Over at Royal. Ascot. Prior to that I thought was going to be the top turf sprinter in the country that effort the Shaker town was just incredible and maybe at that point was the top turf sprinter in the country. So you're trying weigh whether or not. This one is kind of back and it's an off the pace type horse who I do think the inside draw maybe works for this one because, of course, the ones who were faster earlier going to come over and cut in front, which is never a great thing for a sprinter of any kind I don't think but. This one is not gonNA lose ground and sometimes in the turf sprints that can be a little bit of a killer. So. If able to save and get through I. Mean you know Jose's been having a very, very good Saratoga meet I don't like shaky Shabazz at all which I know you can't really say about Christoph. Climate Horses 'cause they're just running so well. I'm curious to see if Pearson station is able to get the good start that has kind of been avoiding him in his last few. He's also nine at this point like. There's a very strong possibility that he's just not kind of what he was And so take that with whatever grain of salt you WanNa take, and then the number seven chewing gum might be my horse I like the most based on price potential seems to be. Maybe, once a little more ground, but you know kind of ran out of time going five and a half at Churchill. So the the distance I think is a little bit of a question seems like this one really likes the sixes and sevens but. Deep. Closer race where there's a lot of speed, it's going to require the setup but if you're getting five to one six to one, then it becomes to me worth it really really do like chewing gum. As a potential upset and maybe one Yuki underneath to if if you're liking exotics in that sense. The ninth race on the card it's the. Stakes never figured out how to actually pronounce this Mississippi is nine, six, two, five on the morning line here. Pretty aggressive line by David I don't think she's going to go that low I mean I know there's not a whole heck of a lot else in here the other horse that's taken a lot on the morning line is more maniac only David does he does that because because if that horse does get in, it's going to be a low price. So you kind of have to ignore that my sister nat for Chat Brown is two to one and. Kind of deserving to one rights been second behind me Mary who just waltzed on the lead in the New York? Close. From way way back in the Long Island stakes run a few. Good Races Mississippi ran very very well in the first couple starts me. She was only three quarter length behind sister Charlie with sister Charlie was kind of at her peak of all things. And then later a clunker in the Breeders Cup they've given a fair bit of time off I. Mean She's been back working really since May and at least since May maybe even before then and so Graham Ocean obviously has a foundation has the source ready and I think it deserving favorite because I tried looking for. My thought was that maybe if somebody was going to win this, it was going to be stealing it up on the front end and I kinda was thinking maybe the two is the one to do that and then I realized you know Chad's got to in here. Maybe he's going to send fool's gold. Her best race was in this race last year the way I wish she won, and she sat second and kind of made an early move at the lead and I know that the number two. Is A horse who can be on the Lebeau bell if need be so Broke here's to see who gets the lead and and I kind of wanted to try to figure out if one of those two can. Kind of get the jump on Mississippi and on sister my sister Nat and maybe steal this one Olympic Games for climate certainly warrants attention. This one should be a little bit closer than those other two but pace I think it'll be the interesting question here and so. I might be trying to steal it with either two or the seven. To kind of do a little more work on who I think's going to be up front and. I, mean the to certainly has the advantage of the inside draw which can help you know not the longest run to the first turn but. Tricky Little Race I. And tricky because I don't necessarily like Mississippi. So I, you know maybe in the in the horizontal, the the trick is just you know. Beat that one and don't don't get anybody else. I mean just include all the other ones but You know again, it depends on how the sequence lays out with the other races. The test stakes gaming I think is just too good I. Don't know how you give me and I'm always up for discussion about how you beat favorites. Venetia I think she's just going to go with Venetian harbour early on and. We could whisper has a little bit early speed the other ones toward the inside don't, and so it seems like it's just going to be those outside to winging it. Is it possible? They go bonkers and set it up for Mrs Danvers or even? Down toward the inside I guess, but it would take a pretty strong reaction up in smoke to me is the best. Alternative to the top two but I don't know I mean. They look like they're a ways ahead of everybody else and I think gaming's always ahead of Venetian harbour. So. That was why I don't like this late pick five because. In two of the races gaming and for me Tis the law. You're singling huge chalk, and so you know even if I'm against Mississippi in that race before do I wanna go five or sixty. Just so I know because even if I catch the second third or fourth choice in there, I'm still going single single chalk. So to me, it's too late pick five, pick four that I'd be avoiding and just kind of watching and enjoying these races. The only thing maybe I would try to do is to just get uncle or. Up and smoke. into the number and maybe that's how you spice up some exotics. But I just I think you know in the travers Tis the law is is just the real deal at this point and you know this this would this would be a very Saratoga race. Tis Lot get beat right. It would be the ultimate Graveyard of champions kind of thing maybe the baffert horses that good. But even that horse is gonNA take a ton of money. So Again I just I my. My senses of handicapping in those lasts in races Ten and eleven were that it's going to chuck out and it just kind of ruins the the sequence for me in terms of late pick five and stuff. So I'd be more focused on that. Early pick five that was my. My Way. To go the twelfth and final race kind of these I love these maiden races at the end of the day I. Think they're always kind of fun and they're usually where everybody's watching because they're pick four pick fives and everything or on the line. I like to couple horses in here that I thought were prices the number seven tiny Mugu had kind of a bad trip last time and is stepping up from St, bread made forty up to. The maiden special group, but you know has run to pretty decent racist the last one, the trouble I think kind of did this one and also the sloppy track but I don't think that the other horses are all that far ahead of this one on a good day I mean the first race the speed figure puts us one right in the hunt the nine bankers beast I don't think he's going to be nine to two I. Just WanNa get down a little bit. The first effort was on turf but stood M.'s barn seems to turn the corner they haven't colonial. Having a little bit of a cold streak there in in June and so. The debut for this one, I thought was good. Size gets on board and I see the horses obviously been working on the main track. Even though that debut was on turf, and so I thought this had a big chance in addition to the seven, maybe a little bit of a a price. Option but. These are these races are not my strength. I know that going in maiden races, young horses, they're just not my area of. Of strong knowledge. So I always tread a little bit lightly. Being opinionated on those oneself and it was that's a look at the Travers Day card. Wish you guys the best of luck tune into our shows Monday through Friday over on the wherever you find street racing podcast and we will see you back on Monday if I, if you have thoughts or opinions on any of the races give me an email. Jason. Charles beam at gmail.com and being to Easby em, we will see back on Monday.

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Part 2: Dave Grening, Rick Hammerle, Gabby Gaudet

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Part 2: Dave Grening, Rick Hammerle, Gabby Gaudet

"McGee Jay Brennan and Dave Greg Good Morning the hard act to follow right there well. I think you're up to it and much like we did with Jay. Hey we didn't get a chance to talk last week. Day I saw some of your thoughts on paper and on twitter but quick hit from last weekend the Jockey Club Gold Cup Diku and everything that came with it didn't agree with the call but that's par par for the course for me and the stewarts here good rates by both horses of Abu kind of the call takes away from the performance of both you know Roseville in sort of honor. I thought it was Kinda. Overshadowed what how well they ran I thought it was in solid effort. You know Roy Moore your skin and people give them credit for so he's tactical enough that you're going to go back to the race. In California that he won he was four why but right up on the pace so he can be he can play from the start and still finish finish which is a good thing for him to have going into the classic and Code of honor you know stepped up against a couple of quality older horses and and still continues to show improvement as Shug shoveling transfer your kid and I'm glad they didn't go into stuff. it'll it'll spice it up a bit very much and we talked to show yesterday what turned into a was supposed to be a you know. Tell us about the decision ten minutes turned into forty because because show and you can talk about the current horses and then you can talk about his Breeders Cup record you know he's he's run horses in the Classic Eight Times. He's got two seconds and third and I asked him if he thought you know this was as good or the best one of the best chances that he's had in a classic and he kind of feels it is I think so in part because he's got a quality improving horse and in part because I don't see a real stand out in the division there you know I I was even if Mackenzie had one last week is still affected him at a mile and a quarter. I think come back with a pack a little bit and now I think he's you know emit commit pack there. I you know he he he was not impressive last week and and right now he doesn't have a jockey so that could be a hindrance so I I think the the you know I I think the visual the classic is releasing. My is right now pretty wide open well it it certainly enhances the classic and we got some. Jay's thoughts will also wait for some other news in decisions. Tacitus you know who I could send as many as three with a late and Yoshida. We'll see what the tacitus call is but have you talk to Jimmy later in the week about preservationists. I don't think the preservation and the clock berry good yeah. I kind of. They were Iffy iffy. Even before we got through the jockey there pretty traditional people. You Know Oh you go to the classic going for a good race. You don't go you don't travel cross country now. It's in your own backyard. Maybe maybe say okay. I'm hearing but the put him on. A plane ain't off that race. just doesn't make any sense to me and. I'm not sure what it was tales right now. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they they just you know. Have you know conclude are dealing. Just say thank you. Thank you for the memories. They were well some other thoughts thoughts about the weekend the the two year old swept by Chad Brown and not necessarily by Chad Brown surfers Dave that were all that highly regarded regarded coming into the early fall. It looks selflessly ran a decent race when she got in her debut. She was a bit why she was just what about a half length behind her stablemate and you know. She got a very nice trip. The other day and you know you beat a field that I didn't necessarily I think was seller but that didn't necessarily like her either so I can't you know I'm not saying that I choose my choice but look it's very you know. Handicapping is hard art. When it comes to the Grillo it's simple to spend on Chad Brown. It just just do it. Does it seven and eight. I've never seen I've Nev- I don't know of any race that he may be bad for our security security and and and dumb or something that just a guy dominates the race like Chad Brown at least in New York dominates the race Jeff Brown dominates the Mus Grill and just you know next year when it comes. I'm just circle the Chad. He's got more the ones at about boxing and you'll walk out with a little more money so any payment structure solid rates you know. I I liked about structure that he showed you different dimension in the first race. It was a slow pace. He was up on it and then he finished and then they got a bit of a faster pace and close close so you like versatility show. I need to know more about what else is in that race before. I say an annoying Kim and enter a the you know a victory in the Breeders Cup Juvenile Turpin juvenile fillies served interesting I said they were aware of it at the time but selflessly not nominated to the Breeders Cup now looks set clemens got that money hidden in his closet somewhere so he can easily put up the supplementary see but it it was a weird kind of a strange thing maybe just crack but be supplemented for the raiders stuff to run and I'm sure she will do well. beyond the two year old stakes stakes midnight zoo in the Belle Dame and got you got you got her legs stretched and did what was necessary. The race as that ended up surprising to some degree aside from everything that went on in the Gold Cup four Horsfield in that Vosper that ended up being really exciting and forensic fire and imperial put on some show down the stretch cool horses you know he's still still Harvard have trouble taking that race threatens fire and last year the parts race horse averaged one the rate just a cool towards I mean that's a super cool horse right there in so small but he's got such big hardy so fast and you know I think they call it a little bit adviser prize when Friends Fire Collared Him and he still had something more to offer and he gave it to him and you know maybe maybe hard race before the Breeders Cup will help him in the Breeders Cup opposed to a couple of cakewalks that he had especially last year Vosper. You just walked around there and now last year Frears Cup. Chances may have been compromised the fact that he just doesn't run it and go to Churchill downs I mean I think he's on there three times. The probably three worst races throughout the worst rates is I thought he may well enough to del Mar a few years ago when he was in the Mitch Breeders Cup and second. I believe but maybe there's hard rates will help him. battle tough because it's a tough rate expensive very very competitor's. Maybe one or better rates on the car to the totally and chance a lot on you know. I guess you have to see what Omaha beach that rates for tomorrow how he runs. A and B what they use it for work. the the the sprint has potential to come up here one of the best races on the card and I think that race will have imperial head registered. Well turn our attention attention to tomorrow and there's a lot there's a lot of intriguing match-ups paper going into Saturday at and there's actually a nice set races on Sunday with the thirty the flower bowl in the present. We gotta start with Champagne and a green light. Go Ah to forego the hopeful. After the track was a a a slop. I don't blame Jimmy Jerkins at all for taking that route however he comes into the champagne now having to go a mile and there are at least is three others that are are major players here not the least of which is Barkley tag and Saka Toga the last time they had a two year old like like this. They kept funny side against New York breads until going to Florida for the holy bull this time they're going to go for an early open company opportunity the and it's at the highest level the first thing. I want to say that this race is there is a major scratching the race three technique. Jeremiah texted me this morning and I put it up on twitter a little while although has a lung infection and we'll come out of the race and I thought he was a significant player in the field so it's down to six source field going at that. Tis The law law you know of course is very impressive. Beating New York reds first time out had shin issue that Barkley took care of list about three weeks total of training but it's gotten back in I saw I saw at least two if not all three of his three of his works here and they're very solid workout you just wonder if the layoff going a mile with the one rate is going to happen ready to do it now. The layoff is very similar to green like oh the day difference so it's not that sort of balances out but green go with tested in stakes company and also has races opposed to one and I just like I just really liked it. I I don't know what he's going to become. I don't know how far is GONNA WANNA run but I just like the way both starts getting solid well built for uh-huh hardy type of horse who just has a great hind end you know where the power generated from and I think like the mile and beyond and I think this has a moment for Jimmy. Sake that the horses say how down and continue on the campaign Jimmy. He says out born whatever that might be but I think it'd be awful strongest training like that rate. The turf classic has got seven going in and the only negative here. There's a nice group in the Joe Hirsch but you kind of turf marathon event. You do hope that you get enough mix and match for for pace to give everybody no. I an honest run and I say that with Sadler's joy in mind. I'm I always find myself kind of rooting for. I'm a huge fan. Zulu Blue Alpha feels like a horse that is the the right price in here drawing inside for Mike Maker and channing hill where you you mentioned the two that I liked the best I think the pace scenario probably comes between the CAT and mouse game between channel and channel maker both have the ability and have one racist on the comedy channel maker last year Turf Classic Joe Joe Hers last year on the lead channel cats at bowling green on the leaves so it's one of those deals where you know it's GonNa be a little bit of jockeys race and it is interesting that channel maker will have Johnny Veon Rosario. I Guess Acumen Tomorrow so that that that's an interesting dynamic Tehrani outside so we can see what size does on channel cat inside I do know one or two will not be on the lead or is Iran or avocado teas that are not come back in in the better run because Chad Brown does not want y'all Primo on the League Let's just hasn't worked out for that and it's going to try and get him off the pace. I do Ralph up really and I think I wrote this in my advance is like when you take out a brick and mortar obviously the the the the most of this and do I was probably the second section with the exception of that war. He's Brunner's right off. Every time this year three wins. Three losses by one violate won long by neck ones by another line. and I just think he's I think he's solid I think he likes the mile and a half and last week probably made a smart decision giving the Sword Dancer answering going into the Kentucky Turf Cup which I believe with Mike makers idea 'cause I talked to Michael Hugh owner last yesterday and he said Mike wanted to kick the ball will get to danced points to raise it up and he probably wouldn't really nicely tactical network the pages slow he can be right there that I jump on and dabbled joy and glow maybe cross-border supply little pace. I I think it's a bit of cross-border but you know I guess you could run here and then they'll run back in the New York red race 'cause I thought maybe he did. I said helping the operator could show up in that. You know those near the end of October. You know a couple of weeks now but I I like Gulu. channing. Hill is back a board here with all the Jockey Mack Matt situations this weekend but but he's has accepted on this is what he wanted to stick more in eighteen from what I'm looking at least three for four on the towards so I'm on overview yeah and he gets to save all the ground and channing hill you know for those that don't remember has written a New York quite a bit so the browns to the rails come down. I think actually down today for the we we're on the turf for three of the five two of defy raises raises five and six today on the graph the other ones. I think it's two three and often but today the rails firewood come down and so being on the inside of probably be beneficial for the most part that'll be you know relatively fresh grown turning to the health prince the three year old restricted group four hundred two thousand two and we've got you know any number of the usual suspects in terms of the three year olds and then you've got a couple of fresh faces including office this showing up with Neptune storm from the del Mar Derby try where he just missed to know the and you've got Taos coming in for Jean Claude Audrey Jay Schwartz Marty Schwarz's obviously boosted this source from Europe and we'll see about whether he's going to stay in North America. then there's red blue really has been kind of a revelation this year for lend green and Karen McLaughlin that really has done done very little wrong dancing all the dances Hanley's joy for Jeff Bloom and maker boy. It's a fun group. Motte with seismic wave and Chad's ads got both digital age and standard deviation for Seth Clarkson and Bourbon War should not be glossed over Dave. That was a very good effort first time I turf up at Saratoga and the better talk now was but I didn't think it was a great a rape I mean he ran okay. they went fast vast income came from off their you know plugged in a little bit in the stretch. I thought I thought maybe I maybe I time Grassy Green and the pardon the pun there but bulletin officer doesn't want to go that far front. I don't know where he ranks on. Chad's listened three year olds on the grass so he ran okay and I thought it was a weaker group. I think this this is a little bit more stronger stronger group but I've seen you know like you were mentioning is is this whole group is sort of you know traveled the same route in the first training periods there and I was looking for a fresh face. I thought maybe Neptune storms interesting that ball to shift from cross country. I did talk to him about it. It yesterday briefly and he said that there's just nothing out there for for feels. Undergrad so he nominated he wanted to see what the what the race book like and you know when he saw orthopedics where he said you know what I I say you know. I think he does he's also Pasco enough. We can lay closer the blinkers off because he doesn't want to be too close. I thought it was funny. I think he said when he first got him the horses very eager and in now he's so totally opposite so I matured or exchanges changes habits a little bit and I think it is you know lay close enough without you can close enough without having to fight Santana. I think he can finish and maybe you know motor on impassive blue being the mother pays pressure there shorting up a little bit we also earlier on the card the Belmont turf sprint went and the matron for the two year olds then we go into Sunday the matron companion race the futurity for the two your old turf sprinters and then the great ones on Sunday the flower bowl in the present some quick thoughts Dave. I know they just drew yesterday and you have to just slap together as some some quick thoughts you know like the Flower Bowl. Sunday is mandatory payout in the rainbow about the empire six for for neither here and smack DAB in the middle of that is this lower bowl and magic ninety. Seven percent of the tickets are going to single system. Charlie early and you're not you're not gonNA see me. Talk anybody off that you go ahead. You can give me the twenty cents. You're going to throw away on the Mississippi and somebody else but I this is good. just she just spent ten hasn't shown us about this this this group and I couldn't I couldn't recommend wouldn't recommend anybody partying with any other money against after watching a breeze every week with bricks and mortar. I mean if you can't get locked up training with Richard mortar legged legged so she she's only two races Jeddah. She hasn't run since August tenth. I get but I I don't. I don't see her getting the best rate of the day of the sacred probably for that. I think it's a big. I think it's wide open. I think you've got some nice daily like whisper. Perceive African definitely move for Jeremiah I'm a little I don't know. I don't know what to make of France rocket. you know talking room and he got off the horse. He didn't think she wants to go this far aw I didn't think she had any excuses really been away I don't think perfect alibi is a monster by any stretch of machinations beat or twice the the at the distances distances longer. She's beating here by more length and understand you know we'll see perfect alibi today in Alabama but I think it's the tweet Jackie Moon wicked whisper throughout not I don't know what to do with Bob. Source Africa cutting horse here. It's like the third in quasi response for third rates and five years. She stressed out to a mile. Just just ran out of timber nineteenth after breaking. Maybe September I I mean I guess he's looking for you know trying to strike while the Iron Pot that that'll cochet quality seventy trying to get some great black pipe made it but you know I think somebody earlier put the finger over the trainer's name. Look at the phillies like I don't know if I that'd be scared of her. I think I think wicked with for Daphne Moon the right ones there now. You're going to try and convince me otherwise on lower. I'M GONNA listen to you so go ahead. I haven't looked looked at it closely. I just Mississippi I thought was so impressive and I can only think pet. She'd be that much better here so I I'm. I'm just let's put it that way. It's not the guy with respect to ground motion as well he just. I just think I think they're sister. Charlie and I think there's everybody we also well and a reminder that I mentioned yesterday. A since GRANDPA is coming up here today at Laurel in the Fifth Fifth Race Three twenty four eastern Irish charmer Graham bringing out the little sister of Irish War cry today at along going six quit. You quit tell. Can you tell the folks what the Post Times are the next three days okay. That's all my four. Oh this is this is one of those one of those challenges that today's gotta be one fifteen in moving yet. Tomorrow I think is twelve thirty twelve twenty off twenty and they will give it to talk up twenty correct and then on Sunday. I'm looking at the overnight twelve forty five. She's got an open quit so you you the one fifteen to review one fifteen to talk with you tomorrow. Forty five on Sunday and also so to review no cross country pick five this weekend particularly for the Sunday action the empire six force out which starts with race five state bread maiden fifties going six and a half on the on the dirt then we've got open company six Furlong Maiden fillies as the Second Lake Third Lake is the few thirty where there's six of them on the grass the two year old boys short then the flower bowl then the present Zack and it closes out with a state bread meeting forty seven on the turf and there was a chance that we were going to run kid chocolate in there except F- he ended up needing a series of antibiotic for Mucus in the lungs otherwise might have been there for that spot so this today when both playing today the track was very wet morning during training I stayed on the May. I think the training track all day. There wasn't much happening there but that's the main try very wet. that it is debris is picking up so we got what we said. It's one fifteen posted a three two and a half hours I guess so then but it started pick up. The breeze and we'll see probably start off his muddy. The good and dry out as the day goes on and again to review surp- situation today second and third and eight are off six are on well dave the most important question going into the fall winter. Are the Rangers going to go to an hour but there was a very encouraging start last night. It was very frustrating walking score and then give up a goal like six seconds late. I said I was watching with my son and I said the SA- they went to three to zero. I hope they don't give a goal twenty seconds later and I was an and it was right. He was like well. He did with nine nine so they got some nice players. I don't think this is their year but I think you're headed in the right direction well and on the topic my sabres start out with a win on the road to kick off the season three two one win at Pittsburgh absolutely real. They play great last night everybody. Anybody actually got one of my favorite. Team is the ranger that anyone who plays the penguin o you're. You're my second favorite team playing hockey. I love it. Dave Greg everybody. Dave I will see you tomorrow. I'll be there looking forward cricket DAVE BRENNAN EVERYBODY OFF GRANICH and Dave with breaking news earlier this week when he was able to able to corral shook and get the news on Code of honor running in the Breeders Cup right now on the road himself. The speaking of Road Games Hammer is back out traveling and he's making his way back to school as announced last week. He's going to do some guests lecturing and guest professor at the University of Arizona the race track industry program Hammer Good Morning Good Morning Steve The road. I love it. I love it and you. I'm sure you're excited about this. the pretty cool. I'm excited absolutely okay. I got a little bit. I got a little butterflies going in because I'm going into different situations but I'm. I'm happily a little bit nervous. 'cause I wanna you WanNa do a good job and and you know kids some realize stuff you know and they're they're. They've really really made a welcome for me to sign because when I came just two weeks ago I was driving the other way coming back home and I drove Soussan and at that time it wasn't a hundred percent so I didn't even stop and I got home and then a couple of days later I found out then all of a sudden. It's like let's get ready radic so we'll put the we'll put the schoolteacher hat on and and and I'm really looking forward to it. It's not gonNA be that the Ridgemont high type deal because I'm going to have a an enraptured audience just going to be upper classes. It's the racetrack programming that wants to move on in the game and hopefully will go have a semester unlike they've had before doubtedly data are you. Are you going to be in. Are they putting you in a dorm or what no no no and but that'd be trouble but so I guess there's some professors on safari or something and and they go moving open to a like a three bedroom house or something so combinations sound like they're gonNa be good and looking forward to ten back Soussan and and you know seeing what it's like. It's GonNa be cool so it's not too far and I got a couple of flights saw the Breeders Cup and couple of other things and just another. It's an hour and ten minutes lights so it's close that way but really I really looking forward to the challenge and I think it will be a challenge but I I'm anxious to to get back. I just talked a little bit ago of course I he's. He was my teacher when I was here. We were talking about it over thirty years ago and you know really really helps you have someone in the game telling you stuff and real life stuff so I'm I'm envisioning doing some different stuff where basically it's it's we have a question and do the training and I'm GonNa get a trainer on the phone. K- ask him you know Error Rate Jack Manager or mutual guy hurt they said we'll we'll send period call John White Making Zeke and explain out do the morning line odds so I put a lot of people on warning and that'd be might be getting a call and I think I'll have to be able to fly some people in the and talk about a few things so exciting according to it'll be exciting because we need some new blood in in the game a lot of Sir are our age her talking about the big six oh coming up and and it's important to get some new news the white blood in the game and and you know get an started right. That's how I came along so really really look forward to it and that's great and I actually I I heard from I heard from Wendy Davis this week to about coming in for symposium at broadcasting this opposing the ninth tenth and eleventh this year of December so we'll be there for symposium hammer and we'll call on you then obviously but plenty of opportunity between now and then let's get the couple of thoughts about the weekend before anything comes comes up well last week a couple of things. I just you know we we talked about the the call in the Jockey Club. I the bad call but I I didn't like it. I I I think at some point you gotTa let these guys ride and and Regis I think part of it's part of the game but these guys have laid down and go so I think both jets got an equal shot and I didn't have a dog in the fight but I was you know see him. Just go work but anyway supposedly we're coming back we'll come back and it was it was a great race but I just sometimes it's just when when you get a good race like that and get horses tidbit riders and they got a clean shot to the wire let him go but anyway for that in the California forty race by one of the the one horse out with me and we liked the source coming in with a horse around seconds to to baffert source in the euro rates the American Carol Georgia Robert Dole at the American theorem that I think think that were super rich and once again is coming into the traps you want to keep your eye on those horses run second third and fourth and they give good race. He stayed with stayed with the people a horse pretty much all the way around. It was first time going long run. Adam flattened out a little bit. I think he's GonNa be a lot stronger coming back. You Yeah One thing I noticed that they did a homework last night of course left all my notes in the drought so gough memory here but a loudest Lulu at eight nine two year old races this weekend coming up a majority of the horse. I noticed have have one start. That's it so. I don't know that's like a lot more one starters than normal so I think you're gonNA keep underneath to keep your eye on somebody's forces and and and like you said this is a trap some of these forces that are GonNa win the Breeders Cup. Maybe you are going to finish second and third at a decent odd or going to necessarily win to keep an eye in some of the trips and I think you're gonNA see some surprises. I don't know where they're gonNA come from but there's some resources out there that are trying different things to the first time a Lotta OUGHTA. I noticed that some of the sprints a lot of dirt ors is trying to trying to go on the grass and some of the horses in the in the longer races go along for the first time and another thing I noticed as I handicap you know all the races all over was todd pletcher who said kind of a quiet year two hundred seventy any five rates is. I don't know how he can have a quiet year whenever it his name a whole lot threat a year a little bit here a little bit there. He's loaded lightly loaded. He's got a lot of the races a lot of the two year old races some of the older horses as I looked for him to have a pretty darn good breeders cup coming inside keep an eye on a couple of his sources sources for sure and the classic prep out here with the McKenzie deal Um. I think you've brought a question. good point about. Is that really amounted really want to go on a quarter. you want to keep your eye on the track out here in San Antonio which spent a little I think Jay had a good description. It's still the speed but it's doll It's not that outbreak lake type of speed and you see a lot of horses. Kinda struggling sometimes the last eight mile so I think George tomorrow did with his his spreader coming out early early eighties getting onto the track and getting a race over the track whether he he's GonNa get used to it whether he's GonNa like it or not. We'll see but at least Soviet able to address and I think we'll find out tomorrow. I mean how obviously the speed of the race. It looks like paper. He's just just run away from this group and we'll see how he handles the race to. I think the racetrack might come into play a little bit when we get when we get to the Raiders Cup but I speaking of the Breeders Cup you know for me. It's a little different now looking in from the outside. I'm actually GONNA be able to go and not have to Dionne duty so to speak and and enjoy it so I've I've been checking out all this stuff on on the Internet a little bit and I ran across but it for me but that's series. The raiders kept done. It's called all in. I don't know if you've seen any of those. Those sure we talked. We talked to the Hannigan good last year when when John was yeah where they were when they were filming. They were producing so oh well. He produces them along with with bobby. A production company and I watched a few. I watched the trailer for this year. Wow this is really good and then I start watching a couple of the of the episodes of last year and wow what a great inside look at some of the people you know involved in the in the road to get there and you know just how or should you arctic spots running. Breeders Cup race in and the quality was good. I and then I read a little article has bobby. It'd it's usually me and my production production company. Didn't I wonder what was done so well so if you guys anybody hasn't seen this the new season two's coming up. There's a trailer out. I think the first episode of like six or seven episodes. It'll be out later next week that real exciting stuff on this for me. I'm looking at it at different angles you know from from a true. Fan handicapper looking at those things and I was really impressed with what they've done with that stuff and you said the Hennigan brothers Rim involved involved this well that explains why it says the such good production but I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to be at Sandia this weekend to watch some of the action and then the excited she omaha beach as he. There's been any indication what his end goal is is Holler. There's no I would think that they would keep him. Yeah I mean. I don't think he's going to the consensus. Consensus couldn't couldn't consensus was that he wasn't going to try to stretch ten to ten furlongs so it would seem that seem that that the mile makes the most sense and I'll say it obviously dot Gov this you might richer vendela one of the top top trainers of all time saver wherever he puts this or that's wrong. I mean I've talked about next week. bigger. Scout she comes back Jack and he and he feels that he's able to run. Wherever you played them. He's going to be live. just the fact that he's done got him back here in time and had to discuss on on the schedule so that would be interesting to see out how he comes back last week the the the two the two races he had one of them was winning. You're in. I don't think I think there's any threat to to any of the turf turf races for that Bob Baffert of course the two year old. You always got everything goes for him. It's just amazing year. After year. Just wins those races so we'll we'll keep an eye on that but it does its thing this. Keelan has is quite a lineup out there tomorrow and Sunday so interesting to see Jerry Hahn door for a source I guess dasell weakest our saying now that Philly really she's one dollars damage out here in California so anxious stacks up in that race but you guys were talking earlier this taste the pace just perfect for her and she matches up with those sources. I I really liked the good and and we're still not sure if she he is going to be able to run in the Breeders Cup with with the situation whether the Breeders Cup will allow it or how that works so that'll be interesting to Z. as well but a lot of good races coming up over the weekend and and be looking forward to I'll be I'll I'll find. I know one one thing I'm GONNA do. I'm GonNa find out where the place isn't Tucson. That's right. I mean you know I'm a new game. I got I got this part part of part of learning. I got a you know. He's the kids out of hand. They'll they'll be in there in for a treat the obviously the this this part of it It's going to be a new experience for you but for them. It's a it's a rare opportunity. Well wow that's a wendy was telling me and that's what she's as well as fast as the top to save for thirty years. I think something different here and I hope I can bring a little realism to due to what what is like really like out there and and and you know we're going through a different time in racing now did did with Churchill acquisition of turf way and really almost a chance dishing of power. We've talked about it where the Mid West. This has now created Maybe the you know the best circuit around with the Kentucky tracks and and Oaklawn Park in that mix and it's. It's you know like it or not. It's kind of the way it's going and actually after being down a little got a feel good about the game. I think settling down a little bit then and I hope that can pass along some positive energy to the to the students. They WanNa make make racing their life. Well it on that on that front to hammer the before we go. I uh I don't know if you did you get a chance to hear. Show yesterday did not because he he's going to have a strength. He's he's sending a strength of the Oakland and he he's got eight head from John Ed Anthony and he's going to send his son down there here for a beachhead so I was aware I was aware of that and anytime you see the Crm I am on the program. It's his the is such a all the sides of great horseman a Great Guy in in Majesty that I think we'll see a few other names saying that of course from some of the trainers in the West thinking the same thing that maybe need to you know get a little little foothold there in case case they wanna make a move or have a string as you as you've seen handful of horsemen from California California has already started that Peter Miller got some horses in the Mid West L. D'Amato offices run a few and There's been some some interest of maybe a couple of other guys doing the same thing just because the persons that are good and and will continue to get better and the cost of living is is unbelievably less than it is out here in California coast as well so and it could be a circuit get where you really don't have to lose to to as much you know. One one or two moves is with the okay and and move. You've that move and stuff. When you're younger is kind of fun then you get a little older you get a little settled. You got kids family to pick up and move your operation two or three or four times. A year gets a little harder so that's another thing that makes that. Midwest circuit little intriguing and we'll see how it goes in the next few years and I still obviously need a solid so called in the West and the east of it. I don't see that going away but the tide turning a little bit point well made the mid the mid American racing scene hammer safe travels the rest of the way to Tucson and we'll talk next last week and we'll get get the report right from the University of Arizona the race track industry program and we'll get some thoughts about the weekend is that we'll be that much closer toward breeders cup. Thanks bye. That sounds great. Thanks Dave down the road. You say down the road proctor we're going to stay right here and we'll stay right here literally till noon because we've got Gabby God that Jeff Siegel Ed James and Nick Tamra between now and and twelve o'clock and Gabby God that standing by our second visit to Keeneland this morning opening day and of course the TV Gee team is pretty much institution when it comes to Keeneland Gabby Good Morning Good Morning Steve. How're you terrific and we're so you know they're they're. The planes are stacked up like they are over. O'hare got. Let's dive right into it. Some thoughts going into the opening opening day of the meat and the fall stars weekend. This is always an amazing seventy two hours. Oh for sure is I mean just look at the entries he's on Friday Saturday and Sunday going back to today. you look at the two maiden special weight for. I mean especially rates for phillies going long serpent two year old and it was oversubscribed. See there were forty eight horses entered. Thanks Ray so they had a split the race and then there were sixteen which were excluded but beyond the undercard races. I thought that was a very interesting race. Course Phoenix is a very interesting race. let alone. Saturday's card which you know we how for an hour about but yeah this is typical fall starts leaking here at keeneland and I'm just so excited about it. Let's let's hit some highlights and I reached reached out to you yesterday but we didn't connect until after we got off the air because I did want to get your Friday thoughts so phoenix also biopsies before we talk about Saturday. You know I think the biggest question with the alphabet city's is whether you go towards the greatest stakes races at Saratoga like that or on back in like the spin away with perfect alibi or if you prefer some of those eight and races if you think they were stronger. I thought the maiden races were stronger and the in the fall well you know with these two year olds. It's so interesting because this is really the time where we see either you know horses that two year olds that were precocious and the early part of the season whether or not they really improve in the latter half of the year or you know when they compete against sources better just starting to get good. Now you know th the later blossoming a two year old so I really was drawn towards a laundry for Shug mcgaughey. It's not often that we see courses pop at present seen eighteen especially at Saratoga. You know sprinting on the dirt. It just takes me back to race like code of honor when he won first time out near the lead last summer at Saratoga so I think a lot of the goods and I also think British idiom was really impressive debut so I kind of let to those too but it's a very interesting scenery I respect perfect alibi and I mean I gotta throw an Air of light there to for my husband or Cassie. She's been training a really really well going into this race and tactic is going to be to go the more I looked at this. The the more involved at God Michelin getting the dirt. Try the Bernardini filly out the panty raid for Godolphin th there's no reason why she shouldn't take to the dirt she also gets first lasix and you know in a horse that nobody is talking about that should at another one that that should benefit from the stretch out down inside and I'm going to look at the price three d. Flag is a silly twenty two one broke the maiden and stretching to seven furlongs for Steve Asmussen and Mike Rutherford. This is a clear sky bred filly by super saver and a little bit more improvement. I've been puts her. You know within the within reach of the favorites in the more likely horses and is going to get a you know a nice inside trip but doesn't didn't look in that win like she is a worse that has to have the lead either so I thought that three D. flag might be the the the price to feather in some house now that there's just to show you about this race though it all the phillies in here at they do not have to improve that much in order to be a factor and you look back at the last five years. Steve and winners have come from everywhere whether it's tatum with at Worrell graded stakes wins at what fine finishing in the money at Saratoga even coming from abroad ah the west coast at del Mar they have literally come from all over the place so that's what makes it a little bit difficult because there's never really a trend trend It's just you know what feelings are starting to get good now in the fall well. It's a nice mix and not for a Friday much like we were looking at last week for Santa Anita's opening day. It's a real pleasure to have this kind of a car. Even before we get to the heaviness of of Saturday and Sunday before we talk about the rest of the weekend gabby go debt with us and what do you do in the Phoenix because I I don't think that promises fulfilled has to win as they say I like promises filled. I'm on Marty Cam Yep you know you look at the pace scenario right and American pastimes fast recruiting reading's fast and then you have promises fulfilled I think on his best day he's faster than those other two Maybe not at three quarters. Maybe it's a touch faster at seven but he's still has you know the benefit at the to the outside of those to keep broke slowly last time out. If you believe that the railways at the place to be Syrian you know his last race Jason. He has that up against him in the totally was breathing down his neck entire time so he has plenty of excuses but on his best day I think he is the best horse in the race whereas recruiting ready he was brilliant last time out and I love the fact that they went back and used his speed because I know talking to Stan huff and hunter rankin again with Sega for several times before the past they kind of wanted to see if he could rate several times and he's just more effective when he can go to the League league. I don't think he's GonNa get that type of scenario today and I also think he's a horse. It doesn't Para back to back races all the time so I'm not really in his camp today whereas I would dabble with whitmore because I like the fact that they'd given him a break. He's coming back to in my opinion and prepare distant. I think he's better at three quarters and and if something does go crazy on the front he's an interesting horse. Pick up the pieces. I don't think he's held off just yet. I think he just needed a little bit of a break. AAC Rally Fair enough and I thought engage was a horse. That might be a kind of now horse. Mardi argued with be a little bit about hockey customers preferring a needing that seventh furlong versus the three quarters even without diamond oops who I thought had a real looking here even without him coming out still a ten horse field and it should be it should be interesting. I have and I'm I'm stymied. I wrote this card up and I got stuck on this race and I'm going to have to make a decision and post after I get up. Get off the air. Let's I know I know let's go to I'm trying to there's a lot going on and you mentioned those two divisions. The the two two year old races that are really fairly complicated and Ayubi. They're going to have to make a stand in that seventh race or spread to make sure that you even get to the stakes and a worse like craft woods for maker it feels like a horse to lean on a little bit however i the more I scratched and sniffed I found other interesting courses not the least of which was Cherie devoe subtly is winning with every single first time starter she sends out and she's got a sibling of Samantha Segel's touch of star quality he in that regal passage and I also thought that Michael Ann Ewing she's got a nice horse in that English escort who's GonNa appreciate stretching out on the grass very as always challenging sequence at keeneland. Let's get some opinions because I know you gotta get off the air and get ready for TV. We gabby some some highlights from Saturday. Talk about the two year olds I because it's obvious that you really dug into the two year old house. What are you doing in the breeders through thirty tough race primarily because of where certain horses are drawn. I mean Gouverneur Morris. I you know there's been so much talk about him. There was a lot of talk about him going into his debut and there's still a lot of talk about it but you he's constitution out of unbridled song. Look he taught has done this before in the past. I think he's done it. He did it with Carpe Diem and two thousand fourteen where he stretch him out of the five and a half furlong win and won the breeders for charity so he's surely capable of doing it but I I was between him and tap it to win and I just think kappa to win winning out three quarters hobby two races beneath him and winning on a dry track legitimizes the race a little bit more and I liked the post this position because I think he could just kinda get pocket trip but I think these horses are incredibly talented and I kinda thought between those two I wanted to dabble with American. Butterfly is a crazy long shot for so he's going to be kind of the oddball play in the fraternity. I I used used American Butterfly in that win. As this kind of the third choice oddball value going back to that was that was that day or is that close that closing Saturday I can't remember but I thought that that horse was sneaky. Gi and it actually had worked beautifully coming into that into that start and Dwayne had a very nice Saratoga. Let's talk doc about the to grade one turf miles the first lady and the shadow fourteen horses each wow oh my gosh the I was talking to a couple of people about the shadow of turf mile and I don't know I I'm getting mixed opinions with it but I thought it was an impossible rate because they couldn't find a sensor to it. Are you start with next shares Van Beethoven valid clammy and I guess the center point of the race is valid would point but he's a three year old. He needs to improve to win which he very well could but you know. I think Chad is kind of taking a little bit of a risk with him. Year sure beyond him admission office. I mean he's GonNa have to work out a very lucky trip which he did when he was here in the spring but he also broke from the outside post position and he managed to work out a trip but I just don't know if that's going to happen for him. Magana the mile on top of that. I got really suited him. Well and it's all about timing on getting this horse to to get its feet underneath of them and make that last as late closing run so I go back and what I will admit. This was the hardest race for me the entire weekend so and my I if it's difficult for me to get through. I don't want to land on an obvious horseshoe landed on to a project sister said he's the only horse in the race who's coming mean out of a grade one on the turf going against older competition. You know obviously excluding valid point. You just want the secretariat he's going to be the worst for me. Maybe the miles too short but I definitely think that he's coming out of pizza races and he's informed. I mean there's no doubt about it. If he takes another set forward of his Arlington million or even duplicates that he could win. that's a point well made and six to one on the morning line Bowie's hero the horse that I always come back to that just seems to always at least get in a run I've I've got an figure out. I want to figure out why Patrick Bianco is convinced that diamond ups is better off in this spot that he was in the Phoenix Patrick's Fox bowie's hero is probably a little bit more accomplished that shares when he was going to Mashad while last year but he kind of gives me a similar feeling where I just I think that this race is capable of like one horse. Maybe freaking on the day and not necessarily like duplicating that even even like next shares that last year and a hero if he improves off of his one of three buyer that he ran last year you know he could surely win. I just thought it was a very difficult race but I think because it's difficult a lot of people are going to lean on Chad. and I just don't WanNa do that. I think it's more complex than that. One horse that you have brought up who's got a win at keeneland and is going to be completely glossed over and end up being a better than the twelve to one price first premium. Yeah I look I could surely make a case for for him and he's Kinda got that good middle running style. I mean I know he was a little bit farther off the pace last time out I don't think he's going to be too far off of. I bet he could surely work out a trip. I mean mark other horse in their march so the arch surely as an impossible and you gotta remember something. I mean they've turf looks phenomenal out here. I was making a joke. I said the only Gresley you can find in the state of Kentucky as Keeneland because it has not rained here in the last two months but you should great expect firm conditions you know so probably pretty firm conditions as opposed to previous fall so you know keep that in the back of your mind as well well. We'll let you go out with this the first lady what what you end up who another tough one I'm I'm putting chip in on rushing fall as she's four four four keeneland. I think she's going to go five for five. I don't think she needs to we'd actually thinks she's better with a target. At the mile. I think the rab the presence of the Rabbit last name out in the Diana screwed it up a little bit. She had a make kind of that early remove and I mean look. She got beat by Sister Charlie. There's necessarily in this race so I like her. I really like Indian bustling underneath. I almost tried to go against rushing with her. 'cause I think she's getting better her. Raising the first lady last year was very good because it was a faceless. I think she gets a bit. We're pacing firmer going on tomorrow so I'M GONNA to those two phillies and merits of the the first lady but it's a very good race and ah anywhere else on the card that just any other random spot that the horse that you know you're gonna you're GonNa Punch tomorrow just kind of schooling in the TCI I think spice perfection is a vulnerable so I kind of want to take a we'll bit of a shot in there. I was kind of going between dawn the destroyer and so on but I'm gonNA leave us alone just because I think she's had a consistent year and space to perfection of fun funny thing about her. She has not had more than three months off in her entire career. Since she literally began the fact that she's coming off of five months at three quarters where she might be a little bit better at seventy eight. you know. I think she might be a bit vulnerable in there but that that's get race. I mean there's just amazing racist throughout the weekend. Steve Well and even non stakes some familiar horses. Sola meany runs tomorrow in the third as it happens and for those that are going to be tuning in from the first race today. Be Aware that second race Knicks go oh cuts back to seven eighths for Ben Colebrook and looks like they're gonna be dedicated in that direction and look into pickiness even money for Chad Brown on and I don't know I didn't think looking at bikinis hat to have to win this either at a short price so a lot of lots lots of look forward to and the coverage with Gabby and and who else is on hand during the we're kinda shifting all about but Scott Hazelton and I are going to be double duty with votes keeneland and at a keeneland simulcast speed and TVD duties Christina blacker her I think todd Britney are all in town this weekend to I'm just trying to remember the people that hung out with a lobby of the hotel so it's definitely a good group and yet works before we love it. Gabby God that everybody Gabby underscore God that underscore ah for Gabby on twitter and on your television Gabby. Thanks so much enjoy the me. Thanks always always fun to get Gabby. 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We have like a like a come to jesus discussion about doing the music that you play like four times too long so that was something that was something that was reiterated without my bottom by other guests on your show and this this is what works with me. Oh okay wait a minute. Wait a minute. Maybe maybe there's more people that work with eight fire annoying anyway thanks. I can't wait rain today. 'cause you're playing. I in like a minute too long with the song i i you know this is. You're not gonna win friends with this because people love the music. I'm sorry i'm and he's going to write on your guests how to lose friends and alienate people uh-huh. Oh my god well. I i don't want i don't want to bury the lead and and not talk about the end of the meat but i gotta tell you between between basin and green light go and gouverneur morris and everything else. How is the champagne not going to be one of the most anticipated races of the fall all dependency where people go right leans double team lives well right. Yeah yeah probably yeah. I yes that all seems dependent on one turn versus to turn preferences timing you know ida traded recently. Tell me that he shipped a worse. Outdoors would do well around. One turn to raise turned out to be turns one <hes>. I've never heard you know one. Turn to turn is honestly becoming more. The most ridiculous things erasing. They'll probably are scenarios enforces. We're we're one turn is preferable but in general you know with the most important tennis speed the actual the actual distance breeze. That's right you know. I mean seriously it way too much the owner situations and maybe races that rate to play out in a manner one way or another avia courses were conducive up to <hes> but overall. It's become incredibly overused. I think i think in the two year old all context though anti i think the it's an experience thing it's just it's just you know feeding force-feeding. I don't know probably album. Algebra two turns to right. They can yes they now. I'm just listen it. Just it becomes a bit of overblown. There's a lotta things crazy. That's overblown. I'm not saying it's not it can't be a factor. There can't be discussion but i think in general it's over us but i can't can't get a mile and a sixteenth about getting one turn or two turns arguably. It's more demanding around what term faster pace right yes a second quarter around violence sixteenth park. The second quarter is going to heat up in a way. It's going to raise the fair point so there there are pluses and minuses and but i think in general people go. They want to win the race. Wanna do that but help. Help me with determination on making this this this element. Is this a good point or a great eight point the meter <hes> i like three weeks one on saturday for jeremiah as well. That was the bill parcells so i mean you know i have a lot of credit jose ortiz because when that i have fifth people are gonna blame him. <hes> for for for just sorta sitting there getting shuffled back and that would have been unfair and and you know you gotta be results-oriented somewhere sometimes the other way at the end of the day jose sexually other panicking when things were just blowing up in his face wasn't his fault and sometimes you get bad trips. That's not a writer fall that quite often often and that horse instead of reacting and doing something detrimental he just had confidence door's sort of wade and wade way the chapel back to laugh and then he's able to get him out of the clear boy he deliver our superpower so good. I think maybe that's a good sorry good analogy. Nobody knows as be you know made a lot of right decisions. Tell you wanna riding title we we finished between obviously with with with green light. Go passing and waiting for the champagne i it it changed the complexion of the hopeful considerably but <hes> we also saw very what looks to be a very promising pletcher <hes> i or that gouverneur morris came in her helped ever certainly helped everybody on the empire six. Get started. <hes> you know on a on a narrow i thought <hes> opportunity but what would you say what you make of that performance. I know it's a wet track. Well look great or two billion. Okada solid figure eighty three. It's probably i mean you would you would hope and think we'd probably improve with distance so they're five and a half for this loppy track. What more can you ask for <hes> with like twenty one hundred buyer so now we're supposed to rent wasn't i thought the meat ended up seeing bumper. Good-looking girl should have that nice looking first time starter on on sunday. They want a ladder. The philly beat the percents worst took so much money in the figure of speech but didn't run well but ran better in that race kim the fastest. It's been away so yeah you know. I think one of the things that speed lacked were overly impressive. Two year old fillies even made breakers. We really haven't seen any particularly quick looking to your all. Dili's i think shook source was that you know didn't get a big seventy five fire. You know that they were interviewing his son. After as any maggie was and he was saying but they had to win so figuring should is not oughta trainer acquaintance of upper starts easily expect to improve and i imagine they'd be pointing towards <hes> towards the present with her why why not and if she improved could be a very nice source so what words in her but i thought we didn't the colts. We saw some better horses. We see any you know sort of super super fast racist by the calls but we saw a lot of promising base read very well. I'll give you one. I'll give you one two year. Roll it out of the context of the of the main track. I thought that sparkling sparkly sky and the funny race. Maybe maybe it was good. I mean that's a group that philly crystalline well everybody what he was trounced by by kristalina right well. Let me show you one by neck and neck starter ahead so well. I'm going back to the. I'm going back to the right so maybe she she ran it was it was a very strange race spoke out <hes> yeah i mean i didn't really look at the race that carefully obviously she's promising well and well. The turf on the turf actually tied also had that <hes> the sibling celebrity celebrity. Oh no word on <hes> saturday. I thought was good before on yes. That'll very good trip. Iran hours like <hes>. I didn't look you kind of think those racist well seventy seven half big number for a two year old filly. I seventy five. I i talk talk close out very very strong. Some good looking two year old especially with the war doubt definitely i mean jeremiah guard obviously dominated a lot of the two year old races with a lot of with two year olds. I think the only one that came back was the the recipe of the worse. Obviously she didn't run well at the it's been away <hes> hopefully yeah <hes> coming back. I'm very instant three technique worse munochiveyi later day the state brit- brit- isn't it. I mean the thing with those horses. They have to come back and and run well at subsequent starts. I think it seems to be watching as you went. The hardest things to do is to get to your alternate impressive in their debuts. Go forward. You put up that asks me since that. He's now after goes dylan the hell they were badly though i've always overwhelming favourite that race <hes> or those sources are being now over fifteen with debut winning two year olds making their second starts arts including the stakes dirt sprints space and don't be that was time starter badly. They have not come back and it was daca. The foreigners brushes. I think a general concept that i i could ask trainers this question josh trainer but from my vantage point it seems like one of the hardest things to do is get oppressive mate where it's come back from their second start and run as well if not better agreed agreed <hes> the just looking at <hes> some of the other weekend results let's talk about. Let's talk about the feature. Let's talk about <hes>. I had done little junior on yesterday. We had a wonderful talk about preservationists than and the way jimmy's handled him and you know after the after the quirky <hes> excuses that were kind of laid out regarding his his whitney effort about what was quirky about them he had he had a bit of a bit of a of a study issue around the barn. That was that was the issue was probably got in retrospect poor ride junior agree with that. I want to play him because because he gave a much better. The great ride at the woodward might have given the best right of the <hes> having said afterwards. He regretted fishing bay to be so aggressive. Yeah i think getting aggressive. They're being hunted by mackenzie who may run the best short rates. We've seen all year. <hes> you know he put himself the predicament that was unwinnable and didn't really run that badly retrospect side for me that somebody reason the dynamics of tripper trips and racing. I think that preparations for the whitney was actually was good much better than they have looked at first glance. It was really just a question of being in the wrong place a long time and this race they were more patient with them obviously based mackenzie which didn't hurt either but you've got the right trip and he showed that his suburban wasn't just sort of a luca today the rail was placed to be that he's a good horse and what can foresee and going forward glad. You ain't got the win with him. Jimmy second that's his second woodward in maybe what four years <hes> when was when was ghost <hes> when we have a sixteen year old by the last race that day and the second curve starts so yeah. Here's how impressed were you with. The mississippi mississippi well good well. <hes> does he manage to make them back search without losing position on the inside. The stretch worsted runwell inner starts in two thousand eighteen and they'd run poorly over there nineteen and one of them was a very heavy course but you have to think they shipped over here believing they wanted to use lasix and <hes> getting a firmer course and it worked out graham emotion. I mean i don't think any trainer that has better numbers with european shippers on the turf us. He is exceptional just amazing for a long time. Graham has been outstanding with european shippers. You go back to main sequence winning united nations first time for graham and his stats were phenomenal go to that that was not five years ago and the stats are still open nominal so he's got at least ten years of exceedingly strong stats with europeans coming over here. It's not random when that happens no and he explained yesterday with us. <hes> you know some of the some of the back story <hes> that you know she kind of is she kind of was falling apart as the season zain was going on in europe and <hes> david simcock and andrew stone <hes> you know they've and three of them have have worked together on other other other imports but boy this this was a this was a good way to debut in in north america lots the lot of opportunity suited for her speaking speaking of david's speaking of david simcock. He may have that that jockey club derby appealed over a barrel which vanished gloom for our back on saturday. He runs back to his last couple. Last couple races could walk the beating him the you know he was. He was twelve to one for the irish letcher. They chose to coming here. Instead obviously mac board member island innovators million only a dollar race where he's going to simply pretty runs his last race. He's wanting what is being taught. Eh layover in that field that i and and simcock has great numbers. You know he's four foot eleven actually north america over the last five years <hes> i think he's one woodbine race would bind many one senior national vile so i just i just noticed looking at the printed the p._c._p.'s this morning then he read the source said paying elias elias saying you might be thinking. I wish i hadn't sold that exactly. That's my suggestion modest modest purchase one hundred and twenty five thousand. I had forgotten about that synthetic kentucky derby. Oh that's right the road yeah yeah yeah the created gated kempton guli right up in early march morning you know well we'll transition to belmont and a second some final some final saratoga thoughts. Give out your <hes>. Give out your thank accusing acknowledgments bindings. It made it really successful. Beating was served minimal amount of steve bic barely talk too much but the wellbeing of so many other so i wanna thank you for going blind off one of the one of the grapevine a lot so he's ever see his father greg all be sitting cambodia about his experience starting subway about killing fields which by the way i just watched on h._b._o. And a band you know time but also i know there's so many of them. There's there's probably great waterwork film lincoln center but one of them is very much about having a macular pucker. That's why you told me that you're supposed is situated. Zaino confirmation actually played well actually yes. I like that it actually happened. Is me the pictures the pictures <hes> the simulation you. You wouldn't believe what a nice job we did. In the kitchen of recreating an operating room for the photos <hes> tina out that was actually tina <hes> that was that was elaborate clockwork orange. There's been there's been several junior. Commit references actually that <hes> contributed to the neat being successful as it was <hes> from the standpoint while how there was some extreme weather and that whether it was sort of memorable and it's remarkable this lack of a better word or an actual word <hes> <hes> we didn't have extended that weather you know those storm blew in and blew out whereas last year there was extended predicted extended bad weather and i think when you get those situations that has a deleterious effect over time people just get frustrated they say i just thought you know i'm doug looking at these cards. I have a dog so we didn't have that saratoga so there was i mean for me. I could feel it the work i do. I just didn't have things where i had to make kurt perfect right so i think that stuff is sort of like it's insidious right weather cities when it gets bad over periods of time <hes> and so that's one of the things that contributed and the ring she was good. You know the number field size went down slightly because we have scratches closing day but the the reality was that by racing by days a week but also the one oration it's sort of spread out as well it just sort of helped the overall quality quality the racing and wow we had you know day year and there were it wasn't great for the most part duration was very good and people got the point where they were just sort of counting another racing being good tracking fast on the turf and it just built momentum and we really have anything seriously disrupted the venture. One day is good structural ear there <hes> so we've got great fans. Don't great leave a great product products jerry toga right. It's brand is super strong so it all worked together for for things you know well next year when the weather is good. We'll the media running right so you're smart when when things go well and we do a lot of things to to make things good good but at the end of the day any cooperation from things you can't control and i think in a lot of ways that works favor of this year. I think it's foolish for us. Take a lot of credit for things because they can just as easily go bad through no fault of our own and we're not going to sit here and stamper pete and say but we did everything right. We do the best weekend and a lot of people were really really hard to to to make things go out. There and it's all justified when you walk around and you you talk to people who couldn't be nicer and you just get a feeling walking around saratoga with the track or in town that people are really enjoying themselves and in a world gone bad where so much anger much of a justified to be able to spend two months in saratoga where people genuinely seem to be happy happy. Enjoying themselves doesn't suck you know so to me. That's the thing that's so special in saratoga the factors that combined to get a whole lot of people having fun no absolutely i mean there's the atmosphere just and people are joining themselves and are enjoying it then. What's the point and i know you can read some complaining on the internet. You know people are the people there are not complaining. I mean obviously things don't always go. Oh perfectly and everybody's gonna have a perfect time so for dramatically large percentage of people they come to saratoga and it's fun working ashworth right. That's it. I mean that we're entertainment business right. There's a lot going on but we also are trying to create a product that people combat enjoy and boy. They enjoy air kogo and the whole town. It's not just that starts towns the towns restaurants. Are you know businesses. Just you know broadway everything. It's just a great place to be. I'm and i would walk down broadway a lot of mondays and tuesdays. Just it's just a great place to be though argument and eh. I came here made the decision myself to be in the region when i had the opportunity to come back to the u._s. And right it's hard to regret with upstate new york great dark and call it the winter but you're never home anyway exactly exactly not with a family before we switch to belmont. I ah curious if you have any thoughts. There's a terrific piece written by <hes> our man rocky thorough graph. A <hes> rocky is known as math capper. He wrote a really interesting thing that i i'll send to you eddie that you'll love kind of analyzing it advance the the expectations for the empire six force out versus the late pick five and i. I'm just curious. What what your you're what the experience was. What you heard about you know how people viewed the way the was accepted and you know the the they haven't paid any attention to the i don't pay <hes> i guessing i heard some things that pass the pick five. We're better than they were in the empire six. I don't think that's surprising <hes> if you really think about it and you understand that nature that you polls <hes> obviously a lot of people single <hes> pressure on the first leg right <hes> but you know i i think one of the disappointments when you have those big carryovers when you create those situations is <hes>. I always root for the majok walkout. Everybody plays them out as a chance to win or relatively talk out. Obviously that did not happen on <hes> on monday. I think it's a very big discussion about you know where the money goes where the distribution of the body goes. You know what effect one pool is adds another pool. It's very big discussion about really gonna have now too long that you wouldn't be fair for just sort of pine on a sort of well-documented where i stand on these jackpot. That's yeah they've they've managed manage great. I think the big five and four great <hes> fifteen percent pick five carryover of takeout in lots of races so you know people have to figure out the play what they wanna play well. They're gonna play belmont. We're going to shift star our attention and boy these. I do ecards nothing wrong with a wrong with the way these shaped up the gets off to a running start running a year during the week and we start at three o'clock. I don't know how long you know y. Y you know darkness starts coming up to go to santana. Now i went to plans czar with that <hes> but we'll be running. I think eleven race cards on <hes> on saturdays and sundays <hes> sort of compensate for that we'll start at one o'clock for those three o'clock close during the week with the construction out there. We'll see what belmont looks like. I've been there since july but <hes> i'm i'm looking forward to getting getting back beijing interesting stake on friday christie cats but the number europeans there as well and <hes> then we have the the final leg of the triple races on saturday where europeans could be dominant. I mean there's there could run one-two-three in the <hes> in that one on phillies <hes> there's at least two if not three that may just be better than our horses. We'll see this as being a big factor and i think they have distance we do about this very much in their favor <hes> and pointed out that works on saturday that i'm starting from the males the the derby <hes> that that horse looks pretty dominant shooting shows out the first year like winter a little more for waste here enforced worth trying to try to wire the field. We'll see <hes> digital age. Go mile and a half. We'll see his pedigree as liffey at that distance but he obviously house it up to be a factor but i think all a lot of trouble with spanish mission show up with anything like that race yeah. It's it's an entertaining entertaining saturday opening things up and of course the renamed temperance hill as well that came up with a nice big group going a mile and a half yeah. They're like well. Let's take a look at the renamed tempered sale. Yes quite a name the grand prix du jockey club invitatinal. Wow go everybody's advised. If you wanna come you get an invitation. The free american jockey club invitational and pilot sky suddenly dirt doors well. Why not turtles go why not why not take the shot here. I agree. I agree and barclay imagine in realm. He's got relevant here. Hand islands guy and we're waiting for barclay to run back. That's that's akhatova wars right yeah right to be a bit of a shan or something which is okay. I heard that okay. It'll be wrong but i think they're hopeful to make the new york ride races this fall at the the the end mocked over. It'll be bad for his competition or even eighty appropriate hours he could what was his name again. Tis something tis the slant tisza slim does cause a problem for the worst run against him but it was good yeah you know what he might have been the most most impressive to me and he kind of got kinda got paved over for. Whatever reason i it just was sort of new york. We'll just didn't notice as much baby god. Was he good big too right. Yes big. We have new york so far this year right. This was <hes>. I got this wrong. I've got now. You're gonna make me. I gotta go. No no no not not the fake. I got the name wrong. <hes> <hes> i got the i got the name wrong got steve. I know i know i. It's better being mean. Just pretending you don't know elevates. Who's your print. You seth mero who cares. Why don't you like like this. He's sitting listening now now. You're going to have to apologize to south these. I'd do every everybody loves favorite people at the racetrack for lovely person yes yes he is. He's the greatest here we go car looks like it. If you've if you've never i will go oh because only because i don't wanna take any more time there you go well tis <hes> tis the law by the way his law believe that's for sure everybody else all right see aban andy. I appreciate it. <hes> welcome home all mine daycare. Would these folks. We'll take our last break. Seth marrow is gonna join us next wednesday and boy. It's a good thing we're not outracing here today. Because <hes> it would be off the turf again thunderstorms rolling in it got dark here rank hurry back after this recent athlete with steve on sirius x._m. Radio hey what's going on. Mike here and i'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends at express but let's be honest we we know you love playing the race but you can't always make a detract. 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It's kept us on on up near the lights absolutely galloping and the hollywood returnees these are the champions and help out the horses that might not have won a great one race but always tried justice justice har come visit them all friends when you're in kentucky or at our bobby frankel division old friends and saratoga. I know they'll be glad to see old old friends equine dot o._r._g. Or call us at five. Oh two eight six three seventeen seventy five and we're back at the races about fifty minutes to do. Have you weather rolling in so so if i was going to spend the afternoon by the pool it's not happening. <hes> good morning good morning now india saying more music. He wants more music for my segment. I'm sure that's not true. Ahead indiana finally dragged him over and got him on my show. Maybe a week or so ago but i was. I did laugh with the car. I hadn't realized you park next to my car every day. When i'm the set so i have the rod in the back and i have the sport coats hung up and i have a few ties back seat. I didn't realize andy was i realize a ah anybody else was aware but maybe we've talked about it enough but now it was becoming a thing. Maybe at the clean it out well. After after everybody saw the police least bladder note that you explain to everybody <hes> what state troopers are commenting on it now uh-huh oh that's right. I forgot about that. That's right but i start at the checkpoint. The beginning of this. I forgot about that remember i i was it was one of those <hes> sobriety checkpoints. I broke right through but he's really a common where you're coming around the end and he looked at jen. Well good night sir. You'll get homesick so i i did not <hes> was no ticket vault or anything. That's right okay so i will have to put a little cleaning in. Let's go for it but yeah no sitting by the pool today. It was going to do my my main trip <hes> but the weather looks a little dicey and then my sister called and she and her husband are going to get the same beer in summer and a couple of weeks so that's the game clamp very nice well our our our fall agenda starting to fill into and and hopefully get down to belmont more than a few times and we have to wait and see what's going to happen when it comes to october whether the construction they're gonna engage the construction situation and then go from there. I mean if they can if they can run the whole belmont meet at belmont they will if they have to move over to ecuador early. They'll do that so so <hes> we'll. We'll know as it unfolds. Meanwhile sat some some end of season thoughts <hes> we were. We were at the doorstep on on sunday morning. We had a really fun visit with the jimmy jerkins and with charlotte weber that was a great way to end our season but then the racing sunday and monday okay <hes> put a put a bow on saratoga nineteen yeah just to go back to the show another great season loose on the league. Thanks for coming over on the sunday morning. Were available. We missed a couple. I said it's the meat ended was thanking people and i thank you on my last show and said man you powered through 'cause epa surgery only missed a couple of shows. Unfortunately unfortunately you missed a visit from bob baffert after the whitney and also i know <hes> you would have certainly enjoyed the annual visit from the peace brothers but we had as you say the last show and throughout that's a great guests early on before you took the break <hes> randy hill and dean reeves. They were great <hes> after their big win with tax the jim dandy and so it was nice season. Let's great guests. We people caught it. Live or the capital tv. Youtube channel can still pull up the archives but overall you know <hes> andy talking and i think the weather was a story. There's no denying there <hes> the first part of the meat there was that funny weather the heat related cancellation on a saturday. There was a half a car that was canceled because of about biblical proportion rainstorm but then the last couple of weeks other than closing day the last couple of weeks. We're really beautiful. I mean the humidity kind of blew out and sunny most days as it was it was just a perfect way to kind of end the meat weatherwise but again whether it was a kind of a story that the the meat had to plug itself the overall but the on that and i said it when i walked out of the winter circle <hes> i'm whitney. I said you know the weather has been kind of funny but the racing on the certainly on the high end on the stakes and has lived up to its billing and that was windy day and it continued throughout travers day this past weekend the horses that came in with big stories in height and and talent lived up to for the most part <hes> mentally on the bounceback mckinsey in the whitney <hes> that <hes> travers win by code of honor kind of validated what we saw from him in the dwyer and put him in the thick of the <hes> eclipse picture come dancing for carlos. Martin look very good. <hes> you can go down the list <hes> again horses who came in with storylines and talent and lived up to through it all and they had a great list on the fox m._s._g. <hes> broadcast i think it was the last day they were doing or maybe it was. It was the last weekend maybe it was sunday but whatever whichever day day it was they went through the top ten races of the meat and before they got to number one you knew that <hes> midnight bijou elat would be number one sure enough. It was clearly was also a highlight of the meat so again for me. The weather was a was a sub heading. I guess beyond what i thought was the the exclamation association point on meet the stakes racing which as the year plays out presumably will see we will have seen a few breeders cup winners honors up jared koga and we will certainly have seen some clips winter satiric boga oh certainly no doubt and <hes> you know even even the horses that <hes> particularly two year olds that that didn't win but may may debuts and made debuts at the highest level and you know in the case of some outfits might head into slightly softer spots <hes> they they might be dirtied up so they might have had trips that are are obscured. You know what are the real opportunities and you can unfolded. Seth i bring this up with andy. I probably should have but the days where there was the pronounced dead rail and and and even if you don't believe that there was a fully dead rail and if you don't believe that it was dead for a good portion of the meat you certainly certainly would i would argue that the inside was not the place to be many many times and in fact you know and he's got those trip notes that are at the naira website that i would suggest people go and look at and make a note and then go back and look at your charts and go back to the you know the race days as mine for gold go find some horses that were not in the right part of the track and they're going to go to keeneland keeneland or churchill or laurel or whatever and <hes> they're gonna come back and they're going to win at swear prices into due to the two year old conversation we're having because i think he'd make that argument for the day tap it to win one sneaking up the rail well at tap it to win may just just be <hes>. He may be exceptional. Anita that that you know i think that that validates the he was exceptional going against that and he was certainly one one of those nights two year olds and you you're mentioning tis law the second toga course i object non week or so ago and they said came out a little <hes> a little ankle or a little. Oh shit were shenice you <hes> but not enough to really delayed things. It was just <hes> going to the champagne as opposed to going to the bond. Garden bondar are the bond guard is kind of funny cide. Mode twenty six early in the belmont meat is here and then won the bond guard so they're gonna kind of take that trip with <hes> pistola yet was another phenomenal continue three techniques <hes> who you guys mentioned earlier that when i got to the hopeful on on the clay basin was flattered by three techniques and so i had base down a little bit in the mix and moved him up <hes> on the performance by three techniques jeremiah on closing day. It's worth mentioning is a really good season. He had particularly the two year olds and i asked him you still have some. You have unleashed unleashed yet to maybe we should. We should pay attention to belmont. He listed off three or four that will debut donna belmont as well by the way i'm i'm just <hes> for those that heard me reference. It and i should have brought it up with anti to a track trends is what the section is called on the dropdown menu. It is it'll be you won't see them. The you won't see the saratoga results on the belmont website and of course when you hit nyra dot com now it's going to take you to belmont but if you go to saratoga up in that upper left hand corner you drop down and it gives you akwa duct belmont saratoga go back to the saratoga toga section of dot com nyra dot com slash saratoga slash racing slash track dash trends or just just denier track trends <hes> the search and you'll get to this and andy has made no votes on each day's racing and what part of the track was is advantageous or disadvantageous and go through that go through your charts. I mean i've got i've got even though i was sidelined for the the middle portion of the meat. I've got all the ps. I've got all the charts attached to the b._b._c.'s through and dig out <hes> races and put them emma side. Put those horses into your stable male and that way when they run back. You're prepared to capitalize this. This is how you know whether you made money whether you're broke even whether you lost a this is the way you go forward from a meat like saratoga where there's you know there's just a treasure trove of information and there's horses that are going to get back into software company and they're going to be bats. There's going to be horses that a horse like <hes> that kelly rudely winner that arafah that <hes> we talked about with her yesterday seth breath you know there's a horse now to for to and who knows how good that horse might be and you know where it turns up next but you know that that's what you need to due coming out of a meat like saratoga yeah particularly because it so two year old focus that certainly plays into it as well and the two year olds good season but as always with the two year olds they can improve markedly and start number two were starting number three with some experience under the belt and then you add in some of those track trends no no point to a few of those that will not only be worth watching but will add some value as well well. I don't know if you did anything for <hes> for your actions today but colonials running and indiana. We just talked a little bit of goto bill downs. You like anything today that i didn't look today. I am in complete solo so low lower and are this way you say that but if you had had the surgery wouldn't this be your week off to know oh aw no power right on i there's i get two weeks off a year. I get that week at the end of june and i get i get christmas to new year's. Those are my weeks and by the way hey. I like how you referenced me. The show that i took off those couple of weeks it was the light they think everybody wear a grammatical. I think everybody's aware in your home drinking lemonade make that clear i was i was very sympathetic to the situation particularly after having run into people at the track who kind of had gone through the similar thing. I thought the rehab was probably worse than the surgery indian. Yeah i don't know i don't know i all i. I'm heading today. I am back driving a car so get off the road exactly exactly exactly it's crash crash macduff out there <hes> crash craddock of the i got an appointment whiteman today three two two we'll see with the surgeon says <hes> the bubble. The bubble keeps dropping <hes> going down so i've got more and more of a less obscured view out the i it. It's it's amazing. It's five weeks and my ice the socket about like my my eyebrow. It's still sore still they're still it's still purplish shift black and blue from five weeks ago well. Hey it surgery that a little while he'll up. You'll be good as new baby better well. That's kind of you to say seth barrow everybody the face face of goatee be another fabulous year. He puts up with me how he does it. No one knows that's good for a few laps during the season right yes it is we do dude. There's no better sport that seth barrow and for seth and andy and bill down sit fernando at j.p redman. 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100 Miles Around A Living Room, Transgender Pro Wrestler, Onion Vs. Secretariat

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100 Miles Around A Living Room, Transgender Pro Wrestler, Onion Vs. Secretariat

"This is only a game. I'm Karen given not so long ago if you had asked Michael Ortiz. If he'd consider running one hundred miles in his living room his answer would have sounded something like this. No NO THAT'S INSANE. That's crazy you know like it's bad enough running hundred miles outside. A who who on earth is going to do that and levy room no way but ten weeks ago. Michael was thinking about doing just that one hundred miles is nearly four marathons back to back to back. Michael had run fifty eight one hundred mile races over the previous fifty eight weekends. His goal was to run one hundred one hundred mile races in one hundred weeks. But in mid March the COVID nineteen pandemic hit New York and Michael was stuck inside his Brooklyn apartment. The guidance at the time was to stay inside as much as possible. Stay in your houses as much as you can. Because you want to flatten the curve and I thought okay well. It'd be very easy for me to go outside and run one hundred unofficial miles in New York City streets but that would send the wrong message. Michael ordered a treadmill online but the delivery date came and went and the machine hadn't even left the warehouse. If Michael one to keep his streak going he was going to have to get creative and do some math. He started by measuring the parameter of his living room. It came in at just forty feet. That meant Michael would have to run one hundred thirty two loops to log five thousand two hundred eighty feet which is a mile multiple by hundred. It would take thirteen thousand two hundred loops to hit a hundred miles and then I thought. Oh my God. That's that's that's a lot. Michael had already spent a year and a half working towards his goal of one hundred one hundred mile races in one hundred weeks. He'd be sad to see it end because he was supposed to stay inside but there is a solution and the solution is running. Thirteen thousand two hundred loops of your living room. Michael took the night to think it over if we're going to have any chance of understanding what Michael did next. We're going to have to go back all the way back to Michael's childhood. He grew up on Manhattan's upper east side with his mom. His brother his grandparents and two aunts with intellectual disabilities we were in public housing. Things aren't necessarily handed to you so you need to work hard. You need to go to school. You need to get good grades and all that requires dedication hard work and focus Michael and his older brother. David were best friends but in many ways they couldn't have been more different. I'm introverted by nature as quiet. You know I would rather play video games indoors. He was more outgoing and extroverted very lively charismatic. And sort of brought the party as Michael and David grew up. They developed pretty different worldviews he valued experience and seeing what life has to offer. David and his wife loved to travel. They visited much. Up Chew they flew to Europe. They set out to see all fifty states. Michael worked seven days a week on Wall Street building his net worth as for travel. He didn't even like going to the outer boroughs number times. Adventured out to Brooklyn. Gosh I can count them on my hands seriously. I just I just don't cross. I know but I never went and these differences between Michael. David would sometimes lead to arguments. He would tell me. Hey you should go and travel more and I would tell him. Hey you should. Actually I don't know think about not taking that vacation and putting towards retirement fund in Twenty Ten David and his wife moved to southern California and they started training for a marathon. Michael was impressed to be totally honest. I didn't think he would ever WanNa do something like that. I know I didn't. I would think like a man after a long day of work go home and relaxing. Tv like who who wants to go outside and run for three hours. You kidding me. So while Michael was spending all his non work hours sitting on his couch David and his wife were spending nights and weekends logging miles for cross training. David started riding his bicycle to work. It was about ten miles each way but David never got the chance to run his marathon one day in March march twenty third and twenty twelve. He was hit by a car Woman who was very early in the morning she had the sunrise. She didn't see my brother and she had hit him on his website. He fell off his bike onto incoming traffic in that moment. That life event really hit me hard. Now that was David was my best friend. He was the person I always went to advice. In now he was gone. The family hell to memorial services for David One in California and one in New York. Everyone who spoke said the same things about him you know like he was a great person. He's very lively very charismatic. But the one thing that really stuck out was this is a man who lived you know. It's very tragic that he died at twenty nine years old but he lived. Did you feel like you were really living at that time? No no the first year. After David's death was tough Michael says he was angry all the time a year. Michael wanted to buy an apartment and he did something. He never would have considered before his brother died. He looked at apartments in Brooklyn. He didn't know anything about the housing market. They're to Michael. It felt like a huge risk. Which you know. These are the kind of risks that my brother was talking. And so I took the chance the place out here but I didn't know Brooklyn at all like like adult so on the weekends I would go for walks right and it was very cold and then I thought you know if you're jogging moving your heating up. You won't be as cold so Michael started jogging and on those jobs. He got to know his neighborhood and it was exciting. It felt like an adventure and I remember the week. I hit ten miles and I thought. Oh my God double digits right. It was such a big deal. One Morning Michael. Woke up early and put on his running shoes. I knew I wanted to go to coney island. I don't know how it was going to get there. What road I would run along. Started running south till I hit the water. Who does that foreign brother had died? I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't travel to place without some kind of idea of what I was doing. When Michael got to Coney Island he didn't just turn around and run back home instead. He stood in line for A. Nathan's hot dog. That is the kind of thing my brother would have done. He would. He would have gone to a place to try like their local delicacy. Like anywhere he went. So how did that lead to you running a marathon for David? So Coney Island weekend was a pretty big weekend. It was thirteen and a half miles the weekend I got to fifteen. I thought the marathon is still very far away but I think I can get there and I thought. Oh my if I run the marathon. I've got to do it for David. In November of Twenty fifteen Michael Ortiz ran the New York City Marathon in honor of his brother. David after the runners finished they have to walk through a series of Corrales before they can exit central park. And I remember walking like I don't know maybe a quarter of a mile and I sat down on the curb because I just I had to let like sinking right and there were tears involved You know I won't lie after a while. Michael ask someone to take his picture and the smile on his face it was just like joy it was pure joy and I just felt like so connected with him in that moment it was great and so I went to work that next day Monday and I looked on New York City roads website again. Michael saw another race just two weeks away. It was called the New York City Sixty K. And I thought Sixty K. One on are you kidding me to sixty case. Thirty seven point two miles right. I thought marathon was the top. This anyone goes you know. What is this thirty seven point? Two business all about and I read the description and quite honestly it sounded terrible so New York City. Marathon is part the excitement. Is you go through five boroughs like it's conic for reason? In contrast this sixty K. was nine loops of Central Park. It was mind numbing and I thought that sounds terrible. I don't know why anyone would do that. But of course that only lasted a few minutes before I went back to the page and thought well what is it exactly so just two weeks. After running his first marathon Michael ran his first ultra marathon afterwards. His legs were so sorry he couldn't even walk the three blocks to the subway but when Monday morning rolled around Michael found himself online again. This time signing up for a fifty mile race just two months later called the beast of burden. Michael didn't know anyone at the race. And he didn't know much about preparing to run fifty miles by the time he reached the twenty five. Mile aid station. His clothes were soaked with sweat. He went inside the to warm up but when he stepped back outside I was freezing immediately and shaking and like Oh my God. One of the volunteers came to me and said hey come back inside comeback inside and go back in there and then he's like where's your bag. So indies races. You also have dropped bags that you pack things like emergency gear or sneakers or whatever it is you might think you need at that point and I told him what dropback took. His name was Dwight and he had infinite patience with the at the time. Said Okay so you can't go back out there because you're closer wet and I won't let you what you need to do is take them off and I didn't hesitate you know. Here's a total stranger. I don't know this person. I don't know anyone in the tent. The tent is packed with people. Here's a guy telling me to strip down to my underwear so that he can drive my clothes so Michael. The shy introverted brother stripped down in front of a room full of strangers. Dwight put Michael's wet clothes in front of a heater and fed him hot soup until he was ready to run again. So I crossed the finish line fifty miles and again. I felt in connection with my brother David because that was another milestone. Okay so you can probably guess what happened next. Here we go. It's Monday and I go back online. Michael went back to the beast of burden. It's held twice a year in winter and summer. Only this time. He signed up for the one hundred mile option. He spent the next seven months training and when August came around. Michael says he felt much more ready to run one hundred miles than he'd been to run. Fifty two hundred was tough but I finished it really and truly. I kind of expected that I would. So why go from? Oh my goodness I ran one hundred miler to sing. I WANNA run a hundred of these in a hundred consecutive weeks. It didn't start out that way. At First Michael. Stuck to the relatively sane schedule of two Oltra a year but in two thousand seventeen. He had an idea just a personal challenge. I wonder if I can do to one hundred mile races back back. Michael Tried and failed a couple of times but when he tried again in November of two thousand eighteen. He did it. I was on cloud nine after that but just like every other Monday morning after completing something really big like that I get the idea of. Can we do it again? So the following weekend Michael ran a one hundred mile race in Louisiana. So now we're on three right and I thought. Oh my God I can't. I can't believe it. I decided I'm just GonNa go for ten. Michael Left work every Friday afternoon. He'd be back at his desk on Monday morning when I hit ten. I thought let's go longer. Let's go longer and so it snowballs from there. Michael told himself that if he could keep the street going through two thousand nineteen heat announced his plan to go for one hundred. That's one hundred one hundred mile races in one hundred weeks. Michael planned all the logistics signed up for all the races. The brother who wants barely traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn scheduled runs in six countries and every US state. He announced his plan on January. Third Twenty twenty and that was it all I had to do was execute. So take me to the moment when you realize that the pandemic was GONNA force some changes to this very very complicated plan so mid February is where he made the decision to cancel all the international travel and replace those races with domestic races. I didn't think you know because the communication that we receive the time especially from the government didn't deem it to be very serious that it would be very serious for the US the third weekend in March. Michael flutie Utah for race in Mosquito Arizona by then. San Francisco was already under lockdown rented a car and it was a four hour drive from. Salt Lake City to mesquite where needed to go and during this drive. I was very very mixed on what I should be doing. Michael knew he could be in a symtomatic carrier of the virus. What if he gave it to someone? In one of those small towns would they be equipped to handle an outbreak and so I turned around and came back to New York and it was. I was really sad and I woke up Sunday to emails from race from other races for the next coming weeks all canceling races. And I thought Oh my. Gosh that's when Michael ordered the treadmill but it got stuck at the warehouse and Michael. Felt like he was out of options. He started writing a long social media. Post a sort of epoch. Sendoff for the project. He'd been focused on for the past year and a half in almost published. It until I decided what before we do this. Let's just see if we can potentially run in the living room of all of Michael's crazy ideas running. Thirteen thousand two hundred forty foot loops of his living room. Might just have been the craziest. It was like this is going to be hard. It's probably going to be the most challenging hundred miles. But if I do this I'd be proving myself that I can still get done this project that I committed to for the last year and a half so the first mile took thirty five minutes. Most people can walk faster and thirty five hundred mile at that pace. Michael would be done in thirty five hours but of course it took much longer than that for one. You have to stop and take breaks to fuel. You have to sleep if if you go past a day if the stop stretch like there's a lot of things that are going to slow you down from this thirty five minute. Pays thirteen thousand. Two hundred laps took fifty nine hours so almost two and a half days forty five minutes after Michael. Ortiz finished his thirteen thousand two hundred lap. His treadmill arrived and so two days later Michael ran his first. One hundred miler on the treadmill Michael has now run ten one hundred milers while adhering to New York. Stay at home orders now. That restrictions are starting to lift. Michael will be running this. Megan's one hundred miler around his block in Brooklyn. He hopes to soon return to the trails where he might be able to run alongside some of the many new friends he's made in the ultra marathon community. You know my brother told me to live right. He wanted me to go and experience the world. I found a way to do that in combined with something that I love doing. If I wasn't out there doing this thing and travelling to different states or different countries they wouldn't have the friends that I have now everything that I do in challenging myself. These are all things that I think my brother would be proud of me for. We first learned about Michael Ortiz and the thirteen thousand two hundred laps. He ran around his living room in the New York Times. We'll have a linked that piece by Christopher Solomon at only a game dot org. You're listening to only a game from. Npr WANNA add more positively to your podcast feed checkout kind world stories of extraordinary kindness and compassion. That's kind world. Subscribe now on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen. I'm Karen Given look I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I'm never been a fan of pro wrestling. It's always seemed like a sport defined by cheese mo one that celebrates the worst parts of American culture but over the past decade. A little space has been carved out for something different. The best way to understand that story might be to get to know wrestlers Sam Conduct Body. And just a note. We've tried to keep this one family friendly but the pro wrestling world can get a little Raunchy. You've been warned years reporter. Joseph being con- I I met Sam Konaga Body in twenty fourteen at the victory warehouse to sprawling beat up building. That looks more autoshop than home. Surrounded by fencing concrete yard and tough part of Oakland I'd arrived to cover hood slam the ultra popular indie Oakland wrestling. Show Sam skinny but strong with a mess of dark. Curly hair was more than happy to play my vice magazine. Stories leading man. This is to start seated on a couch chain smoking cigarettes in a leather jacket. Sam Ran through a list of skills and credits that served as kind of resume to start Hood Slam Dunk. Theater done high school wrestling. I did martial arts done short films. An adult film a lot of things one award Sam took a poll from a cigarette. Probably to hide a Grin Zach excitedly scratched the quote into my notebook last November. I met Sam again for a profile in the San Francisco Chronicle as we walk to grab dinner. The wrestler admitted that the character had written about a half decade earlier was an illusion. The Person Sam showed me now is different less anxious more open and far from a leading man. Sam was born in Alfred Georgia. The youngest two brothers and a white southern town. It was a place where iranian-american last name conduct body was commented upon by students and teachers alike Sam at a cousin who work cross every day. He said he liked the way it looked but it was her protection. Not from the devil but From people around him he knew that being how he looked. If you're across the people would give him less grief you know much of my family around then would change their names from math mood to Mike from afraid to David From Farrell. To frank that feeling of being other was accentuated. When Sam's mom passed away from cancer when was just ten San retreated inward in a home now showing with grief? There's three bodies in there me and my brother and my father but not as well known as far as the feelings going on in that inside those walls. I usually wouldn't tell people my mother had passed unless you know once they knew like okay but it wasn't information freely because I thought once I did people would pity me and that was something I was afraid of I wanted. I thought it was more important for me to look tough or look fierce or persona to think I'm a jerk or a clown or anything other than someone that needed help. But that's what I was. I was all of those things but I was also a deep down so in that needed some help and I didn't want anyone to know that. So Sam turned elsewhere. I wanted to call books that went into wrestling. That went into these fantasy worlds where people had problems. They're able to beat them. You know and thirty pages or in fifteen minute match when Sam was in eighth grade. The conduct of bodies moved to northern California's East Bay. San Found there was value in seeming. Like he didn't care and got tough and wild sunglasses baseball hats beard and whatever drugs were in reach. I was shaving my head I was wearing. You know just as shirts and jeans every day. Not a lot of color. That's for sure but it was very masculine hyper masculine. Because it's what people were starting to to like about me. Was You know my oppressive tendencies? My chest hair You know my physical capabilities. They all geared themselves towards more of a masculine persona at age fourteen. After years of watching pro wrestling intending local shows. Sam started to train to be a pro wrestler at sixteen. Sam Got Support Form for the first time in the ring. They told me on day one that I would be a chic character. It'd be a Middle Eastern Villain for decades Middle Eastern wrestlers or even wrestlers that could pass as Middle Eastern had been cast as Sheikhs cartoonish America Hating villains and they actually had all these creative names like she goes. Salma this or Sim Sim Sala Bam on. Never forget that one All kinds of fun ideas of what my name should be. But I luckily put my foot down on there and was able to choose a name that I was not so embarrassed by Sheikh Body which is a play off of my last name conduct body as a young wrestling fan attending shows. Sam Remembers pulling a hat low when she characters but perform after nine eleven. It felt unsafe to be Middle Eastern the events now right at the start of a career. Same was being asked to speak in Farsi during matches to rile up the crowd and even wants to use the back of a burqa wearing female wrestlers. Step into the ring. Sam refused but Sam played the he'll the villain in the crowds anti Arab racism. Curdle jeers into something darker Anytime I tried to watch someone like me. I got to watch thousands of people boo them throw trash it them And then I got to live it. You know they tried to fight me. They follow me to my car. After the show traditional wrestling was never going to be the right fit. Sam Graduated High School in two thousand and three and worked odd jobs to make rent for nearly a decade. Picking up shifts at cannabis clubs the north face outlet as a pizza delivery driver. It was seven years in limbo working to pay rent and wrestling on the side. I found a warehouse. You know peeved Turkey and you know tiny snacks. I had more cigarettes than food. Then in April two thousand ten Sam barred wrestling ring from a friend and hosted the first Hood Slam. This'll be a show. Anything wet wrestlers could lean into their inner nerd or their inner stone or or their inner Weirdo. It'd be vulgar oddball. Aggressive wrestling just as likely to feature cocaine field character named drugs bunny grown men wrestling Super Nintendo characters. The first few had slams her free it went from you know maybe twenty people the first few shows to over two hundred people in like overflowing out of that then you within a year once. They started charging for tickets. The crowds only grew these days. The wrestler jokingly referred to it as the accidental phenomenon. There is a lot of word of mouth that we were doing something different and it wasn't the wrestling that people thought they knew hood slam events for filled with ideas. That would never survive the wwe writing room. There were iron lung. Matches were wrestler had to finish a blunt before the other got up off the Mat. There were strange cost. Play fantasies ripped from wrestlers favourite eighties movies from video games but at the end of twenty fourteen. Sam had no idea that felt transgressive in scary even for slam. Sam knew it felt risky. It must be good. Sam have been wrestling as female characters. More and more often during hood slam shows and it hurts. Some other wrestlers mentioned. They were interested in trying to this. Well what if they did a drag wrestling night same WanNa native wrestling sport defined by over the top for formative masculinity where fans and wrestlers alike would be their most feminine cells? So Sam pitched the idea to the locker room of wrestlers. It'd be called fathomed out. I wanted them to all step out of their comfort zone and do something different. One would be fun for us but to let all of our audience know the we want people to come however they are And this was a big part of that during the run-up to the I fem doubt Sam went out on the town and drag for the first time you know. At the time I considered it research but questions about gender had been present for as long as Sam could remember. There were many days spent looking in the mirror and thinking there was a childhood dream. A Better Rainbow. You could walk under in come out the other gender. A few months later Sam was asked to perform at burlesque show in Alameda and drag in came along with the handful of wrestling friends. Later in the night SAM was working the Hood Slam merch booth. Man Stared from across the room. He'd been aggressive as some other wrestlers earlier at the event. Eventually I'm not having this anymore and I told the person I was dating at the time like I'm just GonNa go outside and as we turn to leave he me. He grabbed the WIG off. My head Am and a bunch of Friends. Kinda surrounded me as I kind of cocked back to unload punch them. Security grabbed me in a chokehold and dragged me outside. I didn't understand what had gone wrong for three years. The thoughts about gender gotten louder and louder but this violent salmon midst work to quiet them then at the beginning of twenty eighteen. Sam spoke with a trans friend trying to stay vague to keep some cover. Sam Wanting to know how you know for certain that you're trans and what he said to me was. If you feel you can't live in this body another moment like you would rather die than be who you are. Then that's how you know and if otherwise you know you're probably not and I did not feel that way So I kind of put it back to the side and magnet it for a little bit and you know all these other things I wanted to kill myself about. So that one hadn't made its way to the front yet but those looks in the mirror and the thoughts that never seemed to go away. We're getting impossible to ignore last March Sam wearing a crop. Top tights in orange wake had just finished a match in front of a packed crowd at the Oakland Metro Opera House. The rest of the was ten years into runny one. The most successful indie shows on the west coast and it was international. Women's Day it felt as good of a time as any SAM grab the mic about twelve weeks same started hormone replacement therapy in December. Twenty eight eighteen now under the stage lighting standing along the edge of the ring. She came out publicly as Trans when Sam wrestles these days at shows other than Hood Slam especially outside of Oakland she. Now here's the insults gay slurs and more. She hears the whispers in locker rooms. Some promoters make fans come up and apologize but SAM says she doesn't need it. She's had a lifetime of playing the he'll in Alfa Reta in the East Bay and then in the ring she knows some people hate her for what she is but she also feels like yourself. Maybe for the first time you know it washed over me. I can't I can't really say but like I finally stepped into it. If you could talk to yourself as a seventeen year old sixteen year old starting out in wrestling. What advice would you give like? What have you learned? I tell myself to trust myself. It's hard when you think you're broken and you you don't trust your own decisions but you know broken people can be right sometimes. Two more importantly that story came from reporter. Joseph Bean con due to the covid Nineteen Pandemic Hood Slam hasn't held a live events since March. Six Sam's not sure what the future holds for her wrestling series. But she hopes that her days in the ring are not over in one thousand nine hundred seventy three secretary at one the triple crown and was on top of the horse racing world but he faltered against an unheralded gelding. It'll be biggest upsets of all time. One Hundred Years From now. That's coming up on only a game and remember you can follow us on facebook and twitter at only a game and dvr need to escape the news for a moment checkout endless thread a podcast. From wb you are and read it from mysteries to histories two stories. That will remind you of our shared humanity. Subscribe to endless thread on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen. I'm Karen Given next week on only gained the story of the former. Mlb all-star you might see at open mic night at your local comedy club. But now Charlie. Pierce is here with the week's news. Hi Charlie Hey Karen unless something changes. Between now and June twenty-seventh the first team sports returned to play will be the W. S. L. Are you ready for some women's soccer? I'm ready for any live. Sportster is I think I've seen every other game. Every previous game played in every sport the NHL has also announced. Its return to play plans. Health and safety rules are still being ironed out but if and win play does resume the League will skip straight to a twenty four team playoff good. Call me if you'RE GONNA if you're insisting on finishing the season yeah you know. We have to see what happens the first time. There's a case of this virus that can be traced back to one of the Games. Everybody in general is dreading. What happens the second time we have to shut down? And that's that's certainly the case sports to write major league. Baseball's attempt to come up with a return to play. Plan is shaping up to be full on labor war. The players weren't impressed with the League's proposed pay cuts. These would be on top of the rated pay. They've already agreed to. I'M GONNA go out on a limb and guests that you weren't impressed by this either. No baseball owners used to be a bunch of old guys with retrograde attitudes toward labor issues. Now they're a bunch of young guys retrograde attitudes toward labor issues. The fact is this is once again. Baseball management trying to reassert rights lost in the nineteen seventies. Get over yourself at this point. What would you put the odds on there? Being a season this year at all no better than fifty fifty. I think they're trying really hard but I can't imagine that there isn't a strong lobby within baseball management to just say we don't need. This astle billionaires quibble hundreds of Minor League ballplayers have already been released up to a thousand are expected to be let go as of Friday morning. The minor league season wasn't officially cancelled. That really feels like a formality at this point. Don't you think yeah? This is just devastating to you. Know those of us who like Minor League Baseball. They are professional sports and a lot of places. That don't have major league franchises. You got a lot of people who are essentially having their dreams deferred if not killed outright for the first time in its one hundred twenty four year history. The Boston Marathon has been canceled. The race generally draws thirty thousand runners and up to a million spectators. So it's hard to imagine this going any other way. Don't you think no and you know any plans to hold it? At a different time of year requires an incredible logistical nightmare for a lot of different towns and cities story. I am that the unbroken string of Boston marathons is stopped. There really was absolutely no wait all event like that. I wonder it feels like more cancellations can't before her behind. The Tour de France is still scheduled for late August. But it's not like you can really keep spectators off that course either. No that's a good point. That's a very similar Problem than we have here the marathon. There's no way to control the crowds. It what are you GONNA do? Tell somebody something his lawn. Right Charlie. Six million people tuned in to watch the match a charity Golf Tournament. That featured Tiger Woods and peyton manning beating out Phil Mickelson and Tom Brady. Was this actually good television or are we just all that starved for sports? It was only good television because Charles. Barkley was was one of the commentators. Think anything besides the endless procession of corporate logos that we get every weekend during the. Pj season is entertaining. Is All I mean I. I liked watching. People hit the ball into the trees. Like I do well speaking of Tom Brady. He's put his two thousand wasn't shame on you. He's put his two thousand eighteen stretched Cadillac Escalade. Esp Up for sale and he's asking more than my parents paid for their house. Three hundred thousand dollars that thing better drive itself and pick out my clothes in the morning and finally Charlie a formula. One driver has been dropped by his team after hiring a ringer to drive her him. In a virtual race Daniel APPs fellow drivers. I became suspicious. How do I put this delicately? When he didn't suck. This is why we can't have nice things I've been this is this is just so wonderful. The human capacity for Chicanery is the one thing that we can guarantee will outlive to enter. The guy was just too good. And that's what mustard him. Charlie Pierce is the guest editor of the best American sports writing. Two Thousand Nineteen any joins US each week at this time on only game. Thanks Charlie thank you Karen. Have you subscribe to the only game podcast yet? It really is the best way to make sure you never miss a second of our show. If you like what you hear please consider leaving us. A five star review and thanks. If the schedule announced last week holds this will be an odd year for the triple crown. The first race will be the Belmont stakes on June twentieth. Followed eleven weeks later by the Kentucky Derby and the preakness for weeks after that the schedule changes have already led some to put an Asterisk next to the twenty twenty triple crown but there was no asterisk necessary back in nineteen seventy-three Becca. He's out there almost mile away about the secretary is considered by many to be the greatest thoroughbred racehorse of all time. But even the greatest champion can have a pleasure to on an is stellar record. Here's only a games. Gary Wallich Horse Trainer H Allen Jerkins can be described according to one of his former groomsmen in two words the best. That's Ralph throw a horse racing. Lifer who once worked for JERKINS. He had the greatest powers of observation of eighty human being let alone horse-trade that I've ever known jerkins quiet. Command of his horses earned him nickname. We just knew him. As chief. He was a chief but Churkin's had earned another nickname the giant killer. He would always be embarrassed when people call him giantkiller or if a newspaper writer would refer to him that way but Jerkins was a giant killer or at least a giant beater his horse Beau purple had defeated the Great Kelso in nineteen sixty two and nineteen sixty three a few years later the JERKINS trained handsome boy upset. Nineteen Sixty six horse of the year. Buck passer those winds alone would have made for a pretty great training career but then in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy two an unheralded. Two year old gelding would kanter into Jerkins life. His name was onion a home-bred from Hobo farms. Throw was one of onions grooms. He remembers his personality. This way about average nothing special Allen Jerkins son Jimmy then. Thirteen years old was one of onions. Walker's he calls onion a kind horse. He wouldn't try to kick. You wouldn't try to bite. You like the stylings. Do they take their leg and slap atune try to get their leg over the Shang so they can get loose? He would never do any of that stuff so did onion fair on the track early on. He wasn't really you know boy. We got some good two year old on our hands here. He didn't start to get good till that spring. And Summer of seventy three and then he kinda came into his own in ransom terrific races but they were One turned racists. They were sprints Allen Jerkins and his crew didn't see onion as a horse that could win longer races and certainly not against that year's crop of quality three year olds which included secretary so early in the nineteen seventy-three season onion only raced in low grade. Non Stakes races but then in late July Allen Jerkins entered onion in a six and a half furlong allowance race at Saratoga. Jimmy Jerkins in Ralph. Throw were there and I saw him pull away from bunch of really good sprinters horse called Spanish riddle who was a top sprinter and another one called tap the tree and he just pulled away from them like they didn't even belong on the same track with them onion one posting a track record time of one fifteen one fifth and he came out of that race like he hadn't even run. He was sharp. He was happy he wasn't too. High Strung. He really had together around the time. That onion was sharpening his game. Secretariat arrived in Saratoga. The horse racing world saw his presence there as a sort of coronation blue and white bunting. The colors of secretary. It's home stable greeted his arrival. Jimmy Jerkins was wide eyed on Broadway. They had these banners all over the place. Going all the way across Broadway one side to the other in the metal stable colors secretariat wasn't your average champion. In the spring. He had established track records at the Kentucky Derby if secretary moving away that light at the preakness and most dramatically at the Belmont men secretary at one the Belmont by an astonishing thirty one lengths and became the first triple Crown winner in twenty five years. His World Record. Time of two twenty four for a one and a half mile race will almost certainly never be broken. Row Throw witnessed at all from the grandstand. The day. He won the Belmont. They could've brought man award run against him. It wouldn't have mattered. No horse that ever looked through a bridal was going to defeat him on that day. That day was his crowning achievement of an already great career. So it would have been crazy for jerks to even consider running onion against secretary at Saratoga. Right Churkin's new onion was in top form. And while most people who'd off over Secretariat Allen Jerkins look for a weakness in a few days before the Whitney Handicap. He watched secretariat workout. Here's Jimmy he was on his white stable pony and he just happened to be out there because the set of his horses was out there and secretariat work the half a mile and he thought it was very dismal. Workforce Secretary used to work very fast when he ran fast then when he trained he trained very fast also but this particular time he was very sluggish. Churkin's had also heard rumors that secretary. It was running a slight fever and had dropped weight. Some wondered whether he was tired after his incredible performances at the Derby preakness Belmont Allen Jerk. Incensed an opportunity. But he didn't tell anyone shortly before the Whitney Handicap Churkin's was approached about entering a horse racing secretary had called and asked him if he had any interest. The racing secretary wasn't really serious about it but Churkin's told him that he would enter onion. He couldn't believe it. When my father actually entered on August fourth nineteen seventy-three five horses entered the gates at Saratoga before a crowd of over thirty thousand secretary was the prohibitive favorites at one. To ten odds. Onion was five to one with jockey. Hacienda Vasquez aboard as the horses came to post Jimmy. Jerkins was near the six furlong pole on the backstretch with his twin sister and his brother. They must not have thought onion had much of a chance because they weren't at the rail. It was an old fruit stand and got it on. The fruit stand had an old black and white. Tv which had the race on at the time on the inside West Coast Guard going rule by reason on the outside. It's onions those three then secretary. Then tonight Jimmy saw onion strong start and joined Ralph throw at the six and a half furlong pole on the backstretch across the oval from the starting gate. Then we watch them come around the clubhouse turn and come right Atis for few strides before they settled into the backstretch by the head west coast out on the outside and you could see on you inches stride now in complete command cintos. Vasquez Pin Secretariat and his writer. Ron Turcotte to the rail where he felt. The track was slowest. But Secretary it was secretariat on moving up alongside of him on the turn and then when they turned the elbow into the home stretch. We could see secretary moving up and getting almost even with him then. We lost sight of them because the tote board in the center field of the Racetrack at that angle would obscure our view for a good eighth of a mile on was a path length in front as they disappeared behind the tope. We all assumed that when the horses reappeared that secretary would have gone by onion and be drawing your way to victory. Just because of WHO secretary was now is just positive. That secretary was going to be about four lengths and front but when they came out from behind the toe board. I didn't still had the same advantage on secretary and when we saw that onion was still in front we got to jump up and down and screaming as loud as two kids could scream and routed him home. Those last few strides to the wire. Both onion has on the rail. They're very high quarter onion home depot. Getting we went beserk. Forget it I mean we would jumping around like idiots who is just beetle triple crown winner. Just beat the champion with an old gelding. Those things aren't supposed to happen. It was just so much fun. But not for secretariats handlers. Who came under scrutiny? For running secretary when he might not have been at his best secretary returned to form the following month in the Marlboro Cup. Invitational where he set a new world record for a mile and an eighth onion galloped in humbled fourth but secretary it would lose the nineteen seventy-three Woodward stakes behind prove out another horse trained by Alain. Jerkins JIMMY JERKIN SEE SECRETARY. Its losses to his father's horses as a possible blemish on secretary at Stellar career. As for Ralph throw. I don't his triple crown. His Belmont stakes took your breath away. Onion never won another stakes race. He ran as claimer until one thousand nine hundred seventy seven when injuries forced him into retirement onion son of Third Martini. Nephew of MOP Kuenz died in one thousand nine hundred ninety five but nearly five decades after onions. Victory Secretariat at least a couple of the humans associated with onion think. His victory at the Whitney was a significant one. I think it'll be one of the biggest upsets of all time one hundred years from now. It's David and Goliath. It gives us all hope where all just mere mortals but if we train right and we point all our efforts to accomplishing certain goal. Maybe we'll have our onion to that story was from only a games. Gary Wallich it first aired back in two thousand eighteen. Only a game is produced by Jonathan. Chang Martin Kessler and Gary Wallich. Our technical director is marquees. Neil our executive producer is me. I'm Karen Given only a game returns next week. Thanks for listening.

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What we're back at the top of our Fernando joining US Sire Watch watch pedigree bogus brought to you by hill and Dale and coming out of the July sale getting the yearling sale season underway two year? Olds are behind us <hes> also on Monday of course they sent out some H.. H._R._A.'s Horses of Racing Age Sid Good Morning Good Morning. We've our excellent now of using Oh it was great. It was great. We didn't really do a lot. We had the Boston had the Boston weekend Dan right away at the end of last week and they had they had their share of difficulties. Obviously <hes> with that rain on on Saturday that knocked out the last couple of races but it was still it was special to just to be there and and the New England the New England racing scene said <hes> you know one time was thriving and kind of an uncertain future but <hes> I'm so glad I went yeah. No that's great. I mean from what I've heard. This is really got. A pet cat who <hes> is on twitter and obviously <hes> <hes> face of Suffolk. I asked her <hes> you know because there's been so many times where it's posted end in it comes back for short meet. She said no it looks like this time they're actually started <hes> the demolition of Barnes and they're going to stay open for for simulcast virtually for a year apparently but the preparations for the land development is starting and so that's why I know that's why they can't have those weekends. I you know there are there's GonNa be stories the the follow here because I talked to some people that are very involved in active <hes> you know there's obviously the license that chip tuttle and and you know the the partners involved at Suffolk are looking to find a new home potentially rate Barrington <hes> right that would that would have to be next summer. There's also however active you know boston-based interests that are looking at a facility closer to Boston and building something new and that that isn't a pipedream either these are people that are apparently very very well connected <hes> and Springfield and so we'll see there will there will be there will be some sort of some sort of racing entity for for New Zealanders and let's be honest the boston-based East Hartford area northern New England those people come to Saratoga and they they came to Saratoga you know even when even when rocking him and and gas it. We're open and you know they're. You'RE NOT GONNA stop coming to Saratoga there. There is access to live racing. Yeah Yeah right bittersweet. I I too have spent a lot of time there in the past. <hes> you know have a Lotta memories of Suffolk downs so <hes> yeah it's it's <hes> it's an end of an era apparently over there anyway yesterday at the at the opening <hes> the unveiling of this of this new facility Saratoga they they basically literally the day after Labor Day as soon as Saratoga close last year they swung into action and they built this this new you building this eight hundred sixty three club and I was talking to Martin Panza and I- invoked the stories from Suffolk last the week before when para mutual racing was approved proved in one thousand nine hundred eighty four they built that building the the art deco building that is the the lion share of the clubhouse. They built that building sixty two days with three thousand men unbelievable. It's kind of a Herculean effort but it it that's part of the you know the history of Suffolk and this was a little different this was this was not three thousand men and it was a calendar year but this was what they did is pretty impressive. You'll see it when you come up <hes> before we talk about the summer said let's get a couple of quick hits into yesterday with the opening salvos in the yearling market some thoughts from you particularly about the first crop sires. Here's that <hes> pretty much were the story I think of the of the sale sheet sale was I suppose <hes> you know you say flat but it was <hes> you know what about eight percent down from average worse. Last year over the median was <hes> the same but this particular sale is a great showcase for new desires and they get the news it that way and what you like you like you really want in this sale. Obviously it's the first yearling sale so there's a certain type that comes to the sale and and and those types of horses especially when the new stallions you get your most <hes> mature specimens from that crop are Kinda showcase here you need <hes> you know when you get to September kimber for example get a few more months of maturity and development later <hes> foaling date though sources that each time so you get here though are usually horses that have that physical maturity to show show well here and farms that and consigners and breeders that do have first crop <hes> offerings that kind of check those boxes they usually get rewarded career and that's you know that was certainly case with you. Saw The frost it's and Nyquist Sin <hes> several others that sold well and three hundred thousand dollar range inch so yeah and as we you and I've always discussed you know I got sires. Have they actually perform well so I want you to. I want you to you can riff for second said too because the you know the numbers were were pretty much flat compared to here and it it did strike me I had I had void on yesterday yesterday. Previewing the sale kinda quickly before the the action started and he said something like that you had void Browning and he gave gave a quote to Matt Hegarty that I thought was really notable at the fact that this sale which at one time was was really booty increasingly the not the big ticket names the you know the most sought after names the curling's and the TOPIX and and the Medaglia d'oro etc they're waiting more and more for Saratoga and books one and two at keeneland and and that this sale is becoming a bit of a of a first crop showcase and just by the nature and the vagaries of first crock attractiveness. The people are thinking of this sale is a bellwether sure well. That's not really fair because it it's not going to be so much a bellwether as it is a you know an early jury on on the interest levels on whatever the new crops are absolutely correct wreck. I mean there's always been like a July market for the past high end horses <hes> different sales companies have experimented permited with July obviously been major scores and successes from previous quote unquote July yearlings but the Kipton version of this is exactly yeah you said <hes> it's become a new tire <hes> showcase <hes> once keeneland decided to fortify September for sale and transfer everything changes through the years and keeneland has has migrated towards <hes> basically September September is a bellwether but of course just because of the sheer volume liquidity get a better sense of <hes> the state of the market but the first few days of Qianwen used to be the <hes> you know once a July <hes> top of the market they kipness transforms into <hes> a place where you know they've found a niche for the younger <hes> first crop horses and that's that's essentially what's been <hes> one of the one of the highlights of <hes> coming here now and <hes> it's it's a good mix between end users and and <hes> been hookers and in in several of these cases the you know actually seeing that it's the end users that are coming away with the top lots here and some thoughts couple of names and I'm GonNa give you one one fascinating name that I haven't done as much of the kind of the post work that I usually do including going through the the T.. N. has got that really fun. Pin Hook Guide which <hes> whether it's yearling to two year old or in this case Wean linked to yearling and you can look through and see what the what the the hook price was a- and then the return how `bout I'm just seeing this actually said how about the day that anchor down had another tap it son and these are his first yearlings rollings and he sold through really well one of my favorite things to look for is percentage of of horses sold and let me add them up. There was one two three four are five six seven eight nine ten there were ten offered and only one aren aid nine out of ten credible an editor thirty percent of these horses were are in aid and look at these numbers said hundred thousand thirty thousand sixty seven thousand nine hundred thousand seventy five sixty five fifty a private sale twelve thousand forty five thousand so and anchor down standing for what how about that so there's a that's an early bellwether of attractive <hes> clearly the market and this is a whole bunch of different buyers Hobie kite and Bob Low `then back <hes> kings equine mcpeek who was buying a frenzy drunken sailor yesterday padding Miller <hes> you had a really a collective list of buyers anchored down. There's my early my early trial balloon. I think yeah they advertise pretty well. Stanford Gains Wait Senate tap great meyler you know lots of like about him and <hes> from going well so can quite well walk very interesting all right that just caught my eye but frosted clearly leads right. That's that's right. That's right spicer had a two hundred eighty five five thousand dollars seller <hes> that went to the lowest Bob and low on alot who else upstart had a Colt <hes> as well hundred and forty thousand Nicd Americ- Fast Anna China the fastest. I is not first crop second crop right I fast and getting some success on the racetrack and yeah there's a lot there was a lot going on in here. Brody's caused looks like God. There's an early sale at big one hundred and eighty five thousand something yeah. He's you know he spends fifteen thousand so spendthrift so that was that was a very uh-huh showcase for him and it was a nice there was a nice variety. <hes> Patty Miller bought one for one hundred a Colt <hes> that's GonNa that's Bruce Lunceford <hes> just kind of scrolling rolling around forty thousand that actually was I'm sorry that was broken. Vow Nice Nice early start here and out work had a bunch of the the seemed to sell pretty well and <hes> we'll. We'll keep an eye. This is one of our favorite topics <hes> when it comes to the sale season and there'll be a lot to look at and there was only one American Pharaoh that sold through one R._N._A.. American Pharaoh one thing I haven't mentioned since I've been back said Maven who couldn't run at ascot came back and became the first stake winner for American Farrow and of course for <hes>. I four Wesley Ward to last week. I should slip that right that race in <hes> the PRI the Bra Shanty was just out of after after <hes> American founder monarch of Egypt Brand Second G._T.. Railway at the Curragh so he had to rated stakes worse on that day <hes> became the first Freshman Ashvin sire stakes winner and a group stakes winner and catapulted himself as he enters that weekend which is Saturday from seven from the first crop with the second began Coz on who's in Florida <hes> genuine instead so you know <hes> the numbers all align very well or <hes> American Sarah <hes> all four is winners to gate have one on Turf Naven of course broke tape and dirk an equity in April and then went back to Europe won that race all four winners including the winner he had another one that he had this country <hes> with on turf and he's got to AH tariff winners in Europe <hes> previously mentioned monarch of Egypt as well as a medical out of the topic. They're a good topic man joyful joyful victory so <hes> Komo's bet heavily that this <hes> young voice an American triple crown went on dirt from a predominantly dirt line fine line of unbridled <hes> will succeed turf and so far reports indicate they were correct. Just is looking so far a total of thirteen runners said he's already had four winners which is fourteen nine two year olds too so most of these sources. You'd expect to be picking up screen you know from here on in Saratoga Dalbar later Europe say he's poised to you know eventually take over the top spot and. Aw Property early that's great now. They'll be plenty of them showcase here Saratoga and undoubtedly as well at <hes> Del Mar and said <hes> speaking of the racing action. Let's shift shift <HES> FOCUS and <hes> we'll pick up the early discussion in a few weeks when the sales grounds open up here for the Saratoga sale expect to see you as well and then the New York breads. Let's touch on the results from the weekend and the there's a couple of things I we've only got about ten minutes but I at some point. We're going to need you to address the the presumed boomed revisiting of synthetic surfaces and how the marketplace we'll have to potentially deal with that but in the meantime we do have these turf trio races says in New York started this past weekend with the Belmont Derby and oaks and we'll continue with Saratoga with Derby and oaks and then back in the fall Henley's joy a unsurprising kitten's joy success story and he finally gets a clean trip. We talked to jeff bloom yesterday and Rusty Arnold joined us as well because concrete rose a twirling candy a a very nice story as well for Glenn Invo Brahma Gin and partners <hes> Ash Brook. I thought that these were to really interesting winners and both upsetters. Let's be honest. Yeah I mean in concrete. He shown <hes> class she beat newspaper record but you know people continue to back newspaper of record versus her yeah yeah <hes> but you know she <hes> she's a legit silly you know and another great <hes> feather in the Cap <hes> for <hes> Toiling Candy N._B._A.. <hes> and you know it's it's it's her story is just kind of intriguing as the inability of newspaper record transform what everybody assumed was unbelievable <hes> but brief campaign to <hes> into an unfulfilled <hes> uh campaign so far this year kind of similar in a way to <hes> European co too darn hot except in his case it was pretty much assume that he was a mile or at best last year despite a horse he's got the stride of a faster horse and he was tried <hes> for the Derby trips. They'll couldn't quite stay the Guinea Strip came back and won the group one at seven furlongs Europe he'd already won three races last year at seven furlongs of two and a fierce these fears messier and the case it newspaper of record record the pointing out on twitter the heat for <hes> she actually won a mile and a sixteenth big one cup at a mile was as a pedigree in the looks of ores as you think is GonNa go on and now at eat at suggestive on you cut back and distance yes sure cut her back a mile here but you're not gonna be able to cut her back any shorter than that so in her case <music> <hes> perhaps you know <hes> the mile with the main thing concrete rollers on the other hand has been progressive so last year <hes> and it was no fluke <hes> uh when she beat newspaper record earlier and I think for <hes> yolks agreed and rusty yesterday you know it's funny how certain certain horses have to have to keep winning to to get out to talk about them and not the horse upgrading now she ah she is is a wonderful story and particularly said and you can appreciate this the longevity involved here with the particularly with Glenn brome again and rusty. They've been in campaigning horses. There wasn't interruption in their relationship. Not you know not any acrimony but thirty years and it's a real testimony frankly to rusty arnold his client base they they kept they come to rusty and they stay. He engenders loyalty and yeah he's I saw a thing the other day I think came from Europe a tweet asking who's the most underrated trainer and I I would slip Rusty <hes> into that category <hes> frankly eh under appreciated the clicker early strong with very on turf agreed and he also he he also is a guy that understands what his client base is looking for. I mean look at considering what he does with Watts Humphrey where earning black type for the broodmare band prospects is the is the goal right. That's right now. I read somewhere about this. It's so this is I g one winner and nine or something I mean I might have read incorrectly but that seemed no. You can't answer he. You can't be he he had because he's had he's had those ashland those Ashland winners that must've been. I must've <hes> like to see her. In the state. We won't ask the origins of of <hes> of the days but <hes> yeah stayed outside. You set a direction for the right point. Oh there you go. That's that'll that'll that'll cross. Anybody's is here. I'm pulling up. Let me pull this up curious now that you ask that Don oakes and no he won the spinster last year with romantic vision will there you go and he won the Ashland in sixteen weep no more he won the Jenny Wiley with Senator Court while you know maybe maybe first grade one on grass <hes> since <hes> that the first grade one on grass since twenty thirteen that that what it was that's okay that that that would be correct. Yeah okay yeah that Kinda surprising because I don't prescribe short you know it's a fair point although it you know looking down this list. There's one dirt win after another. Well you know he won the cardinal with English affair. <hes> the gentleman concrete rose last year yeah no the it's a mix it's kind of a mixed then you think about <hes> what's her name <hes> mortician and her you know she competes in an area where there aren't as many graded stakes so on and so forth anyway let me we only got a couple of minutes. 'CAUSE 'cause I gotta get Andy in here. <hes> he's on short timing the the male winner of course Henley's joy and another success for for Jeff Bloom Mike Maker who speaking of guys that have become an kind of an unexpected success as a turf specialist Baker clearly <hes> in his hands horse like this dangerous got a good clean trip and Henley's joy kitten's joy latest grade one for him yeah and Kitten's joy <hes> on turf mile and a quarter. I mean just on a pedigree handicapping scant points. You can't so horse like that. I mean is a I think the second out of the last three years that had kittens joys one this way Oscar performance one won this race on top of this. It's worst is great turf reading behind the dam. was you know I think raced in Europe Europe and terrorists and <hes> <hes> you know <hes> pretty <hes> good price get on a horse that actually led for race yeah now they'll come up. They're both they're already both at Saratoga and we'll get ready for the Saratoga Oaks and the Saratoga Derby said I appreciate it and we'll talk next week looking forward to getting you up here. Okay great talking with you got Fernando everybody and you follow sit on twitter said Fernando Plus Sire Watch of course as well and contact them at work thoroughbred consultants five one zero four nine eleven eleven speaking of the Saratoga Oaks and Saratoga Yoga Derby and Saratoga in general Andy serling joins us from the New York Racing Association good morning if you are you excellent excellent and the I gave everybody the my own nickel tour of the eighteen sixty three club yesterday and champagne pretty hard right up there. I know I know I was I before I got there. I'd had a few before I got there actually but what exactly exactly a boy you know it fits the fits the aesthetics and it it's going to provide people with <hes> you know the kind of amenities that are just necessary and you know all it does is replace the old tent and those those silly I wouldn't I wouldn't say all it. Does it works silly. I mean they were being rolled. They were bad. I don't know they were but they they they didn't fit aesthetically well yeah. They were means to an end. I guess US Anyway Yeah. It seems to me I didn't really I went to the second floor. <hes> it was pretty crowded on the first floor. When I saw you labs? They're seconds briefly. Check it out and that was it. I'm sure I'll we'll see more of it. As time goes on it's a nice addition the we'll talk about the season in a minute and any adjustments that are being made to you know the new five day schedule I WANNA hit a couple couple of highlights from from your perspective on last weekend downstate and we talked to almost everybody including Jimmy Jerkins and Rusty Arnold and shook and from the weekend sorry. I'm a little tired but <hes> I thought it was. I mean obviously I think saga performances all the races I obviously code of honor in very very well overcoming the slow pace and just sort of running by those sources he was very visually impressive with the question with him is going to be distance not talent. He's clearly talented so sort of felt all along source that would get better with time. It's just a question of whether or not he's a more efficient horse closing at seven or a mile <hes> if you can stretch it out as far as violent quarter <hes> you know you think of of Honor Code other not not related but just in name only <hes> and and you know people may forget that Honor Code. I think what he wanted comeback race at the end of his three-year-old Eero say goes a four year old right the big year as a four-year-old he wants six nap Berlin race of that so he is closing style Sudas raises while he effectively stretched out to a mile the Whitney and showed he could do that. You know you could argue. He was more effective and the mile range. We'll see I mean I think that shook really has to point towards the travers. <hes> obviously the Allen Jerkins uh-huh ultimately when he looks back on it. Maybe he'll feel like that was the better store that was like a win but I think you have to run the travers because the incredible value and the take your shot you know I I'm coming to guest. He's knocking around the Jim Dandy. It probably prefer not coming back in three weeks. I suppose it's possible right. That's what you said. He says the early read coming out. Was that <hes> he he likes what he saw and and it didn't seem to take too much out of it so he'll Brooklyn as he gets closer. Well obviously them in there. <hes> I'm sure whatever decision should makes will be the right one why he's one of the great trainers of all time <hes> but he he was very good <hes> August concrete rose was was terrific and she showed that <hes> Parisian Kentucky was was no fluke whatsoever. She was dominating where obviously newspaper record that was unfortunate and she's a horse can't rate and she just sort of really the way to be honest in the race so she's been a disappointment and see what she does go back the drawing board with her. The concrete rose was just terrific and dominant after imagine she'll be a real favorite in the race run here on Friday August second Henley's joy joy joy at won the won the Derby as sort of fluke or saying. I know I mean we visit very good argument and I said it before the race that <hes> he had run the best rates may apply and rich. I chose to say that that meant. I didn't want the worse Benign Ridge while I was right about the others so you know unfortunately tomorrow absent finished so you can't really judge him. <hes> <hes> you know but seismic wave it didn't run particularly well in their consoles apparently the rim very well so reality what it wasn't a bad race but having we've got a very good Riley Jose wiscon- I'm sort of fitting the big race good ride like that and he didn't manage to hold on to despite seemingly in the whole field catching them and win the title and that's a big win for him obviously he he was able to take advantage of a lot of Havana town early but he wrote consistently well. He's written to all year and I'm glad for him because he had a very wise personal choice to stay in New York. This winter had an excellent winter and it continued on Belmont and he's too. It seems like he's having a career year and I like those I think he's a good rider and I see him doing well <hes> but joy we'll see I think a lot of those horses WanNa come back for another shot in the circle of the race on August fourth on Sunday <hes> as far as promises fulfilled he was able to waltz the opening quarter <hes> on route to it for a very easy way race. We just had a field over a barrel but you do wonder what would happen. John Terranova source <hes> hadn't gotten left you went third. What's his killybegs captain arguable race to run third and as he did circumstance really remarkable and you really I wonder what the result would it looks like had he broke cleanly but it was a big problem? Still we don't promise builds a good horse when he actually if he gets things as away like that and he hadn't really had the best of dynamics it's early in the met mile and a tough spot anyway and and and he didn't run badly and Dubai when he got when we blew the break so we'll see. I mean sure that I'm I'm. I'm sure the DALES planning to run in either or both vanderbilt and the forego. I'm sure the four goes on his list but thinking about Dale L. Doesn't skip the big races so I wouldn't be surprised to see him. Fry both <hes> as far as as as <hes> preservationists he was sensational. I really I thought he was wanting sweeter liked or didn't like and I chose wrong side of that one and surprisingly one but I decided that sort of go against him was wrong. <hes> got a terrific trip for for junior but he ran a very fast race. GotTa One away buyer and not so Catholic way ran badly or even Pablo hobble ramp badly they just got completely dusted by were Susan Different League and I think it has to be very satisfying for Jimmy. Dirksen and Centennial Tavares only run seven times a day starts at six year old and obviously had issues. I guess they they said they were feed issues and toby's over them right. It's not the same horse to me. Spice town who took so long before he was able to put together a really strong campaign but quiet campaign he put together when he did and <hes> you know at this point preservationists just has to the leading forces in that division special you could run back to it <hes> sorry to see that connects to both of them are passing the Whitney and quaint the Woodward his got four two weeks the Whitney I was very surprised and disappointed here that <hes> top racing to pass up but nonetheless they just don't want that often anymore courses anyway he was he was very good now and you know it's funny because when I had Jimmy I I knew obviously after Saturday that Jimmy would would be on and then on Sunday I kind of was expecting the candy. Gram might take the next step but he got. He got clips by <hes> by Prince Lucky Yeah I was. I came us over bet even money right but I I really I thought he was ready to take another step forward to it. I I couldn't remotely Prince Lucky he found that form from Florida and it's funny I mean completely down in the five to one right. I mean everyone. I work Sunday but I would have. I don't think I would have had a blast but I don't. I really do any work on the race. I have to believe I probably would've put candy grammar there. <hes> you that one of these sources I didn't expect the money but <hes> Prince lucky you want to give an excuse for the wet track and the Westchester but he didn't run well on the met but even outside post and I only watched it over again like I said it was working and I decided decided not to do any real work on the card but he ran well. It's nice to see him back and forth and I imagine todd it's gotTa be thinking I mean think pods probably thinking about the race like the forego with him. I I don't know but that would make a certain amount of sense. I think he'd probably rather find a turner as you now think of races like the four Kelso he was listening. Prince lucky started the year looking like he was going to be. You know you would have thought the way ran his first race especially he could have been a fate one of the favorites the vile right and everything seemed to go wrong but it's nice to see him back on track. Ah Let's be honest we wanna see more good horses running good races right the more there are the more competitive races will be agreed and the the weird thing was after the Westchester and the met because Ah I don't WanNa call backs Westminster was a wet track so you want to announce that but I mean I know he didn't have the best of setups that but my gosh you didn't stop you know and he was working. He was working like a house afire belong. Consider the map but then again. I didn't know the rail speed highway westbound this was this was an important performance and because <hes> and I couldn't help but note with Jimmy the irony of love of being a Senate Carinthian yeah. He's a Carinthian a lot of them around <hes> no. This is maybe his best son settles. Carinthia is one of the big. I think it's eight eight or nine. You know what he's referring to. He's one of the men the grade one winners that broke their maidens on Cigar Mile Day about this you have reference list. It's quality quality road. Hello Annalisa time <hes> Carinthian data link giant Ryan Five. They're coming. Oh I'll give you one orb six right away eight or nine unbelievable fun suzy ratio. I always grow. He's talking about this a lot at work go. She's probably she's. She's probably thinking she remembers it. I think it's eight or a crazy crazy crazy list <hes> of horses and you know with Country House finished second in the writing finished second to <hes> Kentucky wildcats this this past year but there's there's. I think two others yeah yeah. It's a funny I remember quality road food. <hes> Ritchie had been working. I don't know he's never told you the story and Ritchie had told me and this was he told me like two or three months earlier. I'm working at killer for for Jimmy Jerkins and he'd probably told me the name me I still can't they don't listen just abby good horses that and <hes> he had to go to California and ride a horse for Kieran. I think and I remember quality with a winning bid Rick Violence Doc <hes> with violent role Mac worse and I remember the next day our cameraman saying Oh Mickley Ori Upset. He missed the chance to ride that horse yesterday and I thought Oh no quality road looks pretty good horse. I vote I will enriched beyond tomorrow or Friday inviolable Jimmy yesterday because because the some of the things that were being said and written about preservationists reminded me of those issues that Jimmy dealt with you know ultimately that Evans got annoyed with Jimmy and move the Horse but Jimmy I was trying to do the right thing with him involving his feet and you know the hoof walls and glue on shoes or what the issue but you know he had a lot of trouble in that area and Jimmy has the first rate and people don't realize what the source did you know when absence six and a half and going up after the Amsterdam finishing second to third and the travers but he ran second new Jockey Club in the ex-race and then he he's the worst misbehave three year old the gate and Fan Anita right and was scratched. That's right. That's right yeah right. I think I think that's correct yeah yeah. Speaking of by the way speaking scratches show yesterday when we were talking about Coronado's quest and he reminded me that he was heading toward the preakness as favourite and had to scratch or not the derby the preakness that's right I bring it back dwyer something the Peter Pan or one of those right Dwyer's correct when he went on that five race win streak including the Haskell in the travers yeah yeah. I don't believe he wasn't scratched on preakness day. No when's like I think I think and I told you I did not remember that and I don't know if he was worried about running in the Derby echoey of course he just thought he might freak out front of all the crowd. If I'm correct we can use this. We can use this as a morph into into the Saratoga conversation too because I also well Brian was on to talk about his travers book and we we ended up hitting a whole bunch of travers highlights which was a lot of fun as we as we start to look toward <hes> tomorrow and Beyond Eddie one other note that it hasn't gotten nearly enough attention victory ride <hes> performance <hes> Royal Charlotte <hes> with the win yeah she was good right. Yes plenty I I walked the race. Whichever out and <hes> I bet second was twenty and I thought what did she was? She was heading down the stretch and you know just for watching it and my Gosh I mean the winner just swallowed her up in a matter strides yeah. That was nice for them. I after I think you have to really considering the test they could hold out and wait for the pirates but test is such a valuable important race and I know that that's a strong crop the no doubt about it but the way she ran why why would you be in that group right yeah yeah yeah. No I agree I agree and there's no you know there are the Brad Cox. There's Brad Cox's <hes> Philly break even <hes> we'll see Kaffee caffey. A little of the bloom is off the rose after last race. I always got older but makes you wonder if that because the racist pinnacles sticks out like a sore thumb right she ran it obviously wants to get. She's a contender for the readers cubs. You probably win win the distaff she could run that race but the rest of her races aren't nearly good so I I you know obviously brisk to win but she'd have to show she can cut back and do it in a race like that and Bella Dean Kamen would be you know she'll be tough too but I don't know there's one test you get one chance. That's right. That's true and winning. It can be at least a couple of millions of broodmare so I can't imagine you know it's an easy race to skip mytalk summit connections to winter circle and they were obviously very excited as they should be nice for them and <hes> as well and part of that card and part of that sequence was the big multiday carryover that took a lot of money and you know it's funny. It ended up being a very reachable talkies. I it's funny and pay yeah pay two thousand but you still have a string together. I like when they pay small and I can't string two winners together <hes> I I like when they pay relatively small like that so it the smaller Clara chance did well. You know who I went five six and I'm sorry I used Ellen Z.. As a C- only and it cost me on the ellen took advantage of the rails being down inside because I mean I second so I'd probably say I don't I don't remember the seat what's really that well feels like a long long time ago. It feels like it right <hes> July a fifth the by the way another tote note because I wanted to bring up I hadn't told people are discussed that sequence yet with anybody the the consternation over preservationists price. I discussed it with Johnny. De you on Monday and as I referenced you Andy Because you mulcahy's exactly explain to everybody well explained it before and what's disappointing to me is when people know better complain. What about <hes> all you have to do especially in IRA- I can't really speak for other tracks though my experience at Gulfstream there that winter that it was pretty much the case there as well if you look at the doubles doubles and pick threes but I would look the doubles more <hes> and you get a very good idea what the closing price for is going to be just look at the par lay the first winter to what the price is and you get a very very good idea so when you've got a worse in the doubles Tang on first winter pays six dollars and the doubles paying nine dollars for for dollar eighteen dollars you know that horse is going to be no more than two to one probably a little less and then of course is hovering at at at five to one with two minutes to go? It's it's not going after five to one. It's very very rare. It doesn't get that down to two one so you can know what prices these worsen i. I was talking about it with <hes> a friend WHO's a the track most days at Belmont and he would he and he's uh of a cynic and and could be a complaint or on the Internet but even he said to me because I started stand all the screening about it. All you have to do is look at the double. It's just you know what prices they're going to be. It's I understand to the the novice but I don't think the novices necessarily paying attention and I think most of the people that complain about it they know enough to to just look at the wheel pays the information's provided. It's up on the screens on your on your anyway. I'm sure whatever A._W._S.. You should always be paying diabet- scores. I imagine that every eight is we do. It and I can't speak for the others they tell you the well pays pays. You'll have an idea what fights are going to be. It's it's I understand the frustration but it's it's really winding the sense of whining at the end of the day it really is because it's very very rare that does lay punches don't pretty much pure yachts and the doubles the Maltese exactly now. I wanted you to refund it again. End because white about I mean that's gives you an endless array of things to complain about believe me. I've tried to that. Cleaner camp felt like you know I've above the fray but at this point that I see smart people that I respect on twitter complaining about it because it's like guys you know the answer and so that's just not a mutual to a friend of ours who knows better complained to taxed after I just ignored it because I just like you know what price is going to just because of the seven to one eight you should somehow gotten seven to one silly adapt or die. That's right. That's that's true and it's true in the in the natural world and in the in the sport as well that's true the game changes but you have to change win it speaking of change speaking of change speaking of change a five day Saratoga season starts tomorrow your thoughts. <music> I'm decided to work seven days a week my thoughts my thoughts is it'll be better for everybody YEP. <hes> you know keep in mind. We're racing. Were beginning eight days earlier. We start. We're not starting three weeks before we normally start. I mean to be honest for me. The only thing I used to take this week off so I just be hanging out chatting with maybe for lunch later a town <hes> but the reality is I don't want to be selfish for but but from a selfish standpoint I can't speak for others. Having two days off is is is is a wonderful thing because I basically working for nine straight days for the last fifteen years here you know with with with just you're always working on days off and very little time our it's not all about me by any stretch of the imagination but yes from my perspective I think from other people working there. You know some people who got families or things to do in New York. They can go home now for a couple of days. <hes> so there's Bat I but I think it'll be better for everybody. including the town as somebody who goes out basically every night whether it's dinner and a couple of drinks or just dinner and comes home Fi Sundays and Mondays today's are quiet here even when the six day weeks I mean Monday nights so I don't see this is going to have some dramatic effect negative effect on the downtown scene. I mean one might argue with two days off. Maybe downtown itself. We'll do or business during the day right with no racing <hes> her is just such a marvelous beautiful place and there's so many different things to do that. I think that it will overall be positive and don't saying we had to do. It's not as though we had to do it because construction Belmont while the construction sort of getting ready to begin. That's not really the point. The point is we had to make a decision much earlier. That rides eat very possible the construction even interfere with <hes> and I don't mean that a negative way but you know with our Belmont meet at the hi so that's why it was done it wasn't you know obviously been bandied about but it doesn't mean we ended about and haven't done it for many years but with the construction something we really had no choice and probably I'm guessing that's the case next year. I don't know it's not like they consult with me not and why why would they and I wouldn't want to but <hes> I think it's going to be a real positive and a real positive for the town as well and the region I mean because people are going to you can so so journey out and about up to lake placid up to like George Vermont Dame it. I mean there's plenty I it's I think it's going to be really linked and visit the homeless the fun of it you really should get out there with an idea how one vic hats and t shirts visitor center the visitors ask. I don't think we really appreciate I did tell people they should go out to Eagle Bridge to the Moses Farm where Grandma Moses lived and painted and of course all of her paintings are Washington Gene County scenes you can also you can also come is the second most famous person out there after you stop what about Susan B.. Anthony who was born here and lived by Seattle just because he's got a coin. It doesn't mean that she can hold a candle sleepiq. You know who else who else is from Greenwich Chester Arthur really most famous after Susan Grandma Moses. There's also the and I'm not done so remember that that's true. What else we we got a whole bunch? We gotTA famous cartoonist to famous cartoonist is not shed Gould Oh for goodness sakes from all magazine about mad going. I haven't any old maggot mats and perfect conditions over my mom's house the early seventies well save. I have a the <hes> I have a <hes> a car from Dave Berg when I was a little kid in New Jersey I called him and interviewed him about being and he sent me a really nice card but that's cool. I have a car at actually back in New York yeah they do. What did he do a doodle did he do a little? It was <hes> it was his Christmas card I think and he said to me and he just wrote a nice thing nice out very cool. Yeah you know sorry to see that it's almost as valuable as my original. You Know Fred Flintstone drawing from the original artist that says yeah but due to you Andrew. You've never told me that you have that that my parents had a friend who convinced me when I was a little kid when I was like two or three that I was flintstone and with my mom that was really Little Jersey I once and they announced over the loudspeaker with the mother of Fred Flintstone comes up you know wherever and my brother of course Newbie it was me and the wife of the man I knew convinced you that works in advertising and the Fed flips the difference. I was doing something through that but she got at the Cross for me so my apartment city that is awesome somebody from from Hanna Barbera. Whoever I never you know I don't I haven't you know it's actually great? I mean it's a real sure that's very this is your full of revelations this morning. I just got nothing but great stories about I really don when we're talking about my favorite subject and that no my mom just call so I'm go wait a minute. We didn't say one thing about the meat five days a week. What else do you want from me dot com I don't know who do you like tomorrow? Give if you give everybody one horse tomorrow. Listener chances be some showers fifty fifty percent. I it's going to be a hit or miss. I'm not gonNA worry about it. Okay okay. I don't know might six nine dot com. I don't l.. I mean the whole world's GonNa bet pipes in the sixth race. Yeah that's drum. I might try to beat giant Zinger as much stores to beat with we get monies and the seventh okay <hes> <hes> and <hes> quick hall comes off at Turf. I like dumps on the turf. I like listening to watch okay okay all right. That's tremendous this. This is an all time great Andy Stirling visit. It was really an emotional visit for me. Seth Mero Orene Wilkes if it set. Would you please give them lecture about his presentation on the air. This is talk with him. Is a city is one of my favorite people. He's one of many people's favorite people by the way that's a great man. Damn I don't WanNa take any more time so catch up with you later. You got it and these early. Everybody and we may not talk to Edie again at the Labor Day because it very although I'm going to actually with the two days he's off. He can no longer he can no longer say that I I can't possibly come on so maybe I've got an angle on him this year for the first time because a lot of times he just gets frenzied but I think that was a very promising Saratoga kickoff visit with Eddie and quite of quite a bit of revealing visit. We'll take a break. It's exactly the top of our three and John White cannot join us so I kept pushing John Back because we had so much to do Monday. Tuesday in terms of recapping so John on is actually involved frankly in the the board of evaluators the the you know the team of five that are reviewing entries in California California plus. He's got stewarding duties the rest of the week and into the weekend so John can't join us <hes> there there they've got the entries <hes> for Los Owl <hes> the last couple of days los out handle so John on will visit next week all right <hes> and by the way speaking before as we go to break let me slip in a steward notation if you hadn't seen a doctor durnberger Jennifer durnberger tiger who of course <hes> spent a good part of the first of the year with her after care presentation that was just you know universal acclaim but Dr Durnberger was named as has the Jockey Club Stewart in New York. We've explained this before. New York has got three stewards but it's slightly different than most venues. Naira names won the Jockey Club Likud look who wanders through. Do you need me to break Tina. Is that what you're saying. Okay Tina's teen is haranguing needs to take a break. <hes> The New York state originally the racing and wagering board now the gaming commission they name a steward and the Jockey club Bob has a Stewart in New York so that's the trio that man and woman the booth Dr Durnberger is GonNa take the place of retiring Jimmy Edwards and Jimmy stepped in those last couple of years came up from Philly and fulfilled the role and Dr Durnberger congratulations to her and she will be terrific addition. You know she's been a examining vet for the last several.

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Part 2: Kent Sweezey, Jen Shah

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:05:09 hr | 4 months ago

Part 2: Kent Sweezey, Jen Shah

"Good morning the morning actually wasn't my hand gun all right. I know they're training. So we have hampered dark day every week they give us they close attract on Monday and everybody gets a an easy day. So we We were thinking about getting a boat and we still. We weren't sure when the whole corona virus thing came out we did know if they'd allow but they did and so we had a big but a day off your on their you know well who all right now. Now you've now you're dangling Who WAS IT? Who put that thing through their hand? Buddy my name Nick. Caruso he trains down there in Tampa and he He's a good fishing it and it was a it was sheer accent was complete accident. He's by no means a rookie. I love it. That's pretty funny. Well the great tradition of Horsemen fishing on off days. And frankly when it comes to David Fox and Joe Bravo. They don't even need off days. They every there. They're you know they're big time You ever go out with Bravo or Fox. No problems good fishing and when we go to Jersey I'm GonNa have took up with him and I'm sure he's got some good spots well and call him the old man and the sea. That's my nickname. And I it it so it just so happened. When I sprung that several years ago there were out on Fox's boat and they were listening to the show and I got I got a tax like what the fuck were bad in the sea. I'm allowed unbelievable. Well can't you know? Obviously you talk about being Tampa and the winter extending and basically keeping every keeping your owners Happy and this is you know Gulfstream Oakland and Tampa and we just talked about what's going on at fonder and will rogers talk about the situation and being able to you know. Stay somewhere right now. Safe and run orces. Yeah that's where you said it right there Like you said some of these tracks are there. They're shutting down training as well and I think that's detrimental to everybody's businesses not to mention the horses. Most importantly the horses are the ones cooped up But Yeah we're lucky down here in Tampa It's it's always been a good place to train now staying open and were you know under the conditions and protocols and things like that which they've done a good job with But we're super lucky to be open And I think everybody that's here appreciates that as well. They everybody around the track is there. There's a friendly buzz of God. We're racing that's great. You know it. It's not many times. Did you see overnights like it is now? I mean overnight is full of entering the racing office that it's great for them because they're getting sources people saying where are we going to run them and so the the races are filling? And that means you know. It's it's the trickle down effect to the people on the front side or that are crunching the numbers and the backside traffic. We're we're still racing. And then yeah but as far as day to day stuff goes we haven't we haven't changed really anything. We of course we put in the safety protocols and things like that but that doesn't change the fact that cheap picked out and he's gotTa be walked for twenty five minutes and he's gotTa train you know so there's so much that and especially it's hard to think when you're talking about down the road where we're going to be in a month so from my standpoint. I've got half. My Barn are are better horses that I can plan things like that. Like in a other than or to other than on the crafts on the dirt. Those races are going to go and they're going to be two weeks from now. It's the claimer that you wonder. Okay well how can I am? I going to have to change what I'm going to do to get them to this race into GonNa happen so you you need to change the way you train a little bit. I guess With the uncertainty factor But like I said the day today stuff you know like I read. Somebody said that they're the wheelbarrows things are labelled will my stuff's already labeled we got guys that have their names on pitchforks interaction with wheelbarrows as well and and when you cut down on the problem was when we couldn't get much cleaning supplies you know so when you're talking about meeting different that's that's that's coming back around now and the hand washes and the the core seen all that kind of stuff you can. You can put in buckets and It's all good stuff that we should have been practicing all along. You know you walk into a grocery store these days and you have to an sanitize pump and we'll see how we doing that every day. Anyway you know. But it's good habits for us and I think we're going the right direction and hopefully we can keep following these protocols and we might be stationed indefinitely. Maybe it carries right on normally. Where where would you be right now? Can't you know once the once. The prime part of the Tampa season and Gulfstream's post Florida Derby. Typically people break camp. Would would you have? Would you be elsewhere already? Under normal circumstances I had vans pencil then to leave the twelfth of April backside. A mom who's GONNA open the it was going to open the eleven so we were gonNA slide right in there and when we get up there we could write it all these tracks. New York Parks Laurel places like that. Now all that sort of put on hold so we have to appreciate where we're at right now in. Tampa knowing that and he did not any. That's the case but you know in the next two or three weeks. Are they gonNA say well? Listen guys the meets up. Y'All got to go you know. Or they say you know what we're GONNA keep training or we're GONNA talk about people saying they're gonNA buy more dates and that's That's definitely not that's something that's not my apartment but It would be great if they could. I'm sure it's a lot harder to do than people think But even keeping the track open and saying we'll we've they've done really well with the person so you know maybe that that can somehow play into our favorite saying keep it open for you guys you know and and That would be great for US BUT AGAIN. What about the rest of the country? What are they GONNA do? You know the guys at Palmetto stuck over there the people that are in Louisiana or Oaklawn so hopefully Things start improving pretty wrapping. Well we continue to monitor and you know we we hear from the track managements that are in this unique position and are essentially just dealing with in the ambient particularly New York where they I think they sense that you know. They can't even consider right now. They're scheduled to be paused until the end of April the near the end of April but given how desperate and and how just how awful the body count is right now in New York They're not going to run You just not something you're going to do. I mean I it it's You're going to wait until they can keep packing on days. You know they're going to write. Actually you know what this. This isn't going to be peaceful. We need to back off a month. And that's that's what I think instead of having to change the date three or four times probably with Mama Mama. Just push it back to be the first opening the backside. The first of May racing the end of May. Well what are they GONNA do? Now say okay. We're going to push it back two weeks and then push about two weeks ago so you know I. I see why there hasn't been many commitments. Just because of the uncertainty factor sir. Well we're hoping for the best then in the meantime you're you're prepared With the you're sending out and what a nice interesting variety over the weekend Friday and Saturday with these four successes From a total of five starts and You know some of them. Some of them are are nuts and bolts a dropper like northern. You won the third race on Friday. Northern was taken for eight thousand and you tried them in kind of a little bit of a tougher spot and then you drop them down to sixty two five and worked Yeah he's that's the bread and butter those horses that I'm talking about. When you look at the overnight you see race pops up and you think well this horse and when are we going to run him again? When we hit the next rate it might not be for two months so you think the worst is doing good bounce back then take crack out you know where the allowance race that. We won the two races after that. That's that's what you plan ahead for that horse. You run there and you kinda think down the road so it It was a it was a unique group horses that we ran. We had the Sabado. You had never win. Three for eight We want our choice then. Came right back the next day with one of the. How do so it wasn't? I'm pretty cool group horses to run you one For Wayne Spalding. And of course we first came across Wayne with a boot or no bowlers valley with with glide shot and Blue Chicory and this is a lower level mayor a six year old and she doesn't ever many miles on her. No she doesn't at all and she's a Pretty easy filling trained to be honest with you She's a big party. Mayor says she doesn't You know you can. You can come train on our little bit but She's a good doer. She's happy. She kind of found on the races. Gulfstream. We got some different rides on her. And things like that that we were trying this or trying to stretch out I don't know you see your sounds a little bit easier. And she put him away early and that was it and you got to bring her back to the barn to there was one claim in the race. These rate thousand dollar climbers and Angel Suarez Boot scoot From from the ten whole yeah. I liked that. They've obviously they break right in front of the grandstand and with no fans there. You get pretty pretty clear. View of other ray and Yeah was shook up out of that one of the reasons I put an end zone or was she needed somebody aggressive and and we actually we use a bunch of different jockey that day that All sorts all fit horses for different reasons. You know. Sometimes you need somebody that's going to also went out of there and continue to ride or you need somebody who's patient or you need you know. Sometimes sources are are can be lazy afternoons and you need somebody to wake them up and and get them on the engine. A little bit Or you need one to quiet down so it off was pretty cool winning those those Jackson. Let's talk about Wilmer Garcia and count again. This is a Samsun. Home-bred awesome again out of red ransom mayor. My God how old was the? I've got to look that up. He's a he's a brown paper bag as you could expect to there's There's ninety white on plain Jane Five Hundred Radar. He's the coolest source around the F You kind of a barn favorite and Samson Pharma's done a good job getting getting back and then they did a good job at the farm operation. So it's Yeah it's really cool to win for those I I used to walk from Mark Frostad on spring break when I was well and I I remember walking some of those sources that you still in the pedigrees now and and know lots happened with San Antonio hoping on up and up until he can keep having success for much great to have them in the bug. When did is this the first they sent you know? I've had a couple for him in the last few years They'll usually give a horse a break. Sometimes when woodbine finished and then by the time we're finishing up with need to give them a racing if they run decent enough to keep them if they need something else or they they they didn't drive in and how we did it then they go up to Woodbine But they're super easy to deal with and like I said the horses are are well Brad and they've got a lot of classroom and these couple of odd. That run over here have come from Neil Howard and as you know. I'm sure you couldn't find a nice guy and He gave me a lot of help on. Just you know how they're going to settle in and things like that and it worked out really good for him that was. I didn't I didn't watch the replay when I first got the horse in the form it looked him up and I looked at the horse. I said well okay. I think he's GonNa fit in that spot and had some people text from Kentucky to me and that's really one nice at Keeneland last fall. I insisted I'm curious to see how he's going to run today. And I I you know he he. He's he's had done well trained good and all that so we just thought well. I think he definitely he he he should be right there and turn it for home when wilmer had dark inside horses and it was. It was a very crafty ride. But if he had gotten stuck there'd be some upset people well Garcia and the kid that when he broke in New York. A really made a splash and then he got hurt. He was in a terrible car accident. He was driving. He was doing the day-night doubleheader thing and an icy road. I think going to penn national and lost big swath a time and was in a halo and it really bad and and you know he how much it's taken out of. His career is hard to know. But he's a at this point you know he's a reliable journeymen and You know I always had affection for him as a writer. Yeah it's funny too. He's probably the hardest work in Jock at Tampa and He's not he's not number in the standings but he's He shows up every day. And like you said he's reliable and when you want when you've got a horse that you need this to be done. You need to try this or try. That he's always he came to try it and like. I said he comes by the Bond. So you understand how much we put into you know and see how hard we work and he wants to and try to equal that so it worked out good for us Count again of five year old and then actually I'm just I I looked it up Red Ransom actually was just was fourteen when when he covered the mayor. Count to three. And this is actual odd. This is actually a half brother of ransom. The Moon was a hell of a horse. Yeah he was a horse from Wins I think Samson might have sold him and he went to California and he found the air out there because that It turned him around. That's for sure. Ransom the moon a standing actually in California as Iran and all those sprint stakes out. There all the grades one the pink Crosby Bing crosby. Yeah exactly random Ron Ron L. Yeah look at that tell you. What like a steel trap. Saturday Saturday we turn to Philosophy and to river horse that you own with. Who's two rivers racing to rivers? Racing is John Kanungu in Jersey and When I long story short his wife is friends with my mom's first cousins I think and so they when they're an article and somehow it got to John and Jersey into John reached out and said you know what the flipping a horse together which is great so we bought a Horse Stone Farm Arthur Hancock after September sale at the years ago and oddly enough Big Arthur Hancock stadium for leg of the Horse. So that horses on two rivers and stone for him and we had to lock with one race for us and It was all good and so when I actually met John. I two and we're walker kind of hit it off a little bit and so I came down to Florida did this and that and then I called him. It is probably this time two years ago and I called I called. Ben Hoffman sent in my application my lap for Churchill on so Benothmane called and so we need to talk show. He sat down and had my style APP and he just said You know. I hate to say this. He said. But these aren't going to fit in Kentucky and I. I was crushed and heartbroken like am I gonNA do. I don't know I live in Kentucky and from Kentucky these owners courses right so I sat on it for a couple of days and I. I made my mind I was going to go to Jersey and so without knowing that John Kennedy From Two Rivers is actually from Jersey. I pick it's known as John. I'm really really sorry. I just might break relationship you're Saddam and have to go to New Jersey and he was quiet on the phone for second he said we'll camp. I live about ten minutes from Mama. I ended up working out really good and so when I got up there he found me a place to live and all the right people and It really good horses form every sentence. I'll probably have four or five four. We've had some with call you all S. and people like that over the years and I think he's kind of enjoying. His kids are grown a little bit so he can spend more time around the worst thing he likes it. So it's cool. I got some I have some really cool clients that I've sort of picked up in roundabout way. Some Jimmy Jerkins. I got a guide which name and that that support me from day one and It's just been it's been cool Mandy. Pope sent me a couple and I had a couple Joe Allen over the years. It's been a really cool group of people that All have different different reasons. Why they own horses most people. Do you usually have a few different reasons? Why people in they like to win races? Just because it's a sheer. We had the left to win. Some people like to gamble. Some people like to read and see their name as the breeder and they want progress the breed and then some people like to feed carrots instead on their horses and and and watch him. Watch the majesty of the whole thing and so I've got a real good group that that they also have a different reason why they're in it and Sometimes they they crossover. I've had put that Fatman man together with a group of people that have never at each other and They did the day when we were at the Pegasus. They all exchange numbers and they have a little break tax going. I think it's really cool. That can bring people together. That didn't know what your they have. Nothing in common. We didn't talk politics. We didn't talk about anything religion. It was all. It's all about the horses and having fun and and It's it's fun that left more fun that way. Well this horse. We're talking about philosophy. Who's now one a couple in a row? And this was. This is a a major scarlet. Tango is a major Maher. This has got all kinds of sibling. Power When I bought him that day I was shocked when it came out of the stall anything. That's like a little rocket ship. I thought he might be a little to start your version usual. Typical Spike down. But when he came out he was just eight difficult spike found and So I said Let's what they're trying to get him and you know we didn't that the Horse I. I kinda jogged down on the road and we had about ten or fifteen. I wanted to bid on. We're on a budget so I said you know what we're going to it was. It was half my money as well so I said you know what I'll take it. I'll take the blame if something goes wrong and I kind of put it on my shoulders and said let's do it and Got Him down here and we killed him. And we did a little minor thing to his throat which It's hard to really tell if if it's if it's worked or not but I think the main thing was he got he got on hard ground you know he's he's a hard ground kind of worse and he seems to be. Super Super Quick When that when he can hear skeet rattle and so at their grounds when Mark Kathy had and I think he was the five and a half at fairgrounds is probably more like six furlongs. It can sometimes getting a little bogged down there. They had bad weather last few months and then I think he just struggled over that round and so you know I needed a horse to go down to Gulfstream. I was going to have a golf Gulfstream. String this winter and I thought you know what we can always run. The source never went three for sixteen. And that's what we did. We ended up giving one shot here to make sure he was fit took him to Gulfstream and he flew over there he absolutely rolled on that turf course and I thought Man Maybe. Maybe he's just a hard hard ground kind of worse and sure enough the other day. Jeez he ran a ninety four Bible. That was that was super strong for over. That was just so he could be a lot of funding. I think we made. We haven't figured out now that what he likes what he doesn't like and not just in the ground but in his training and stuff he's not he's he doesn't drain the way most sources my funny little horse to turn and he He seemed to be Super Happy. Right now. Well here's a sibling of another Grade one winner tears tango speaking a West Coast West Coast grade one winners and also a half to Vision Air Michael Matt's also talking to somebody off Jimi about him the other day he said. Jimmy said he ran second and Kim Bishop. I think When Beijing here? It'd be centennial horse in Iran Second Way and we were talking about vision. They're feeling and watch mccaw. That's a I think I WANNA say you're very Irwin. No and Yeah Team Valerie. Team Valor. Right yeah it was culpable And I think he's standing in Korea. I Made I think I think he got it. Yeah I think he got exported but he he he was he was nice. It was very swiftly here. Family Era Pango visionary. I'm Kinda right now. Scarlet strikes and the mayor's had three graded stakes winners will make four with lofty. We'll see it seems like South and thank you. Steve Carlin Who's who one of our partners. As well as a team valor. He standing in South Africa. And Jimmy. A Jimmy finished behind him with desert key. Oh my God. There's a worse I haven't thought about it and literally since two thousand eight. I don't have it here. Here's the king's bishop that year. And visionary one clear by two and a quarter and seven to one. The favourite was J. B. K. Oh My god Yes and Vision Air Desert key. I'm so lucky was third. Jon Ward. How about that. Oh here's a favourite tanna mob mob was in this race with Kodiak Cowboy. They were in Rhode Island Panama Remote and Remote Game Day. What the first what the first. Good Horse Ricardo Santana row tragedies and I was trying to think it works well with one in particular that I feel like to hit. Really hit them all at that time. Lantana mob was with trump BETTA. Because I've I've got a I got a saddle cloth. I got a Mike Assistant One. No one gave me a saddle. Cloth really yes. I've got it. I've got it on. I've got a big hangar with probably fifteen I've got including including Sweet northern saint when he went down to Texas for the Steve Sex than mile and but he. Yeah I've got Lantana mob I WANNA say from from big-r from I bet you it's who you know what I I bet you. It's from the king's Bishop. Actually I salute. The SARGE was in this race. Salute the Sarcelles. Yeah Crazy Geo and And actually here's a horse picture with golden spikes that Marty Wolfson. I got a picture me and John PIRATA down a calder Vietnam there and with golden spikes he was okay. Unbelievable they this is this is. What's so great about the quarantine racing you? I just pull up a thorough manager. You can pull up all kinds of verses on there and it's It's actually really cool. See I don't know who does it on twitter but somebody will put up the old. Pp of of just the best horses horses shirked fluids bb king the other day. Oh you had to go for one. And it's her birthday. I guess the other day P P popped up and you just it's amazing and and going back and looking at secretariats workout. History leading up. Thrilling is racist. He breathes a mile four days out before the race and then come back and blow out again. What was it was wild what they used to do with those sources that they were. They were just made iron. You know unbelievable lead. Ken swayze is with us. We're having a lot of fun and Got About five. Six MINUTES CAN'T To talk about tomorrow. Let's take a look at the first leg this pick five. There's a big six-figure carryover in the pick five tomorrow and you'RE GONNA send out a sky. Mesa philly finest jewel and this is a mile and a sixteenth sixteen non winners to and you're GONNA put blinkers on Yeah The blinkers on. Todd. I'm not I'm not sure I'm just. I'm chuckling something out there She trains really good. She was with Neo Howard. Before and ran one race. Came to US and She ran okay and then came right back in one and That was a writer. Change Strong phillies. She's big she's sixteen and changed since she's powerful and she. She's just a beast out there on the racetrack. So when they're going on the back side of things she kind of took a hold of the jock that day and he might have said. Woo about all this and didn't let it run its simple. We'll do jock change next to nothing wrong with her. She was just doing that good and probably should have just turned her head loose a little bit. Let it run anyway. I put Gary Wales on her and Gary Federal Good and she deduct between horses and shot through a whole and actually really good for the for the maiden twenty five so I said well. You know what it's nobody's claiming horses these days so when you win for twenty five you can probably go ahead and running for the sixteen th graphically she's older You know she's got a really nice pedigree but but she Had that time off so people have to wonder. But it's never went through perfecting with pretty tough that day actually and She was eighteen to one the day that she ran a first time against winter. This time she's morning on six to one so But it would appear to be a an easier spot on paper and I don't know where we're at the point now where I talked to the owner earlier. I said what you know. Let's look at this race if it's something we want to do. Let's let's go ahead and runner because we Archer what will have down the lawn. And as long as she's doing good and we're happy on our end and I think I think we should probably go ahead and enter so we did and I'm happy with where we are she's training. I watched this afternoon late this morning. Training and With the blinkers on she sharpened. And maybe it'll just get her where she might have hung a little bit. Maybe those blinkers get a bit more focused than can can run towards the wire a bit more. So we'll see but she's training her in the finest jewels six. The one in the first leg of tomorrow's pick five carryover sequence at Tampa can sweetie center out. And then we get to a maiden special weight nightcap and this is on the grass and this is interesting and kind of a kind of a mixed bag field and again looking at a horse a little bit of a price at twelve to one screen image giant's causeway five-year-old mayor she missed all of twenty nineteen. She's out of Dina former mayor and George Kerkorian brighter and probably was cut out to be a nice horse Jonathan Sheppard trainer from the start of her career. You've had one start this winter. That came about a month ago and does she ran kind of evenly kind of chased from behind. And I suppose that might have been a useful effort. I think so She is mugging several better pedigree. She's huge you know. So she's a big chain to get going but once you get her going on. I wish the races even further but She she had a little time off for a small minor injury. They gave her plenty of time and Brought her back and definitely fits in these spots. I think This isn't a super tough maiden here at damp like you would sometimes get maybe two months ago But you know I think she She's a nervous type so when she comes back off a long layoff. The first thing she's going to do is think. Oh God I'm back. And she got herself a little bit worked up not too bad in the attic and the first grade. We've worked out a little bit and I think with a race under belt. She should be a little bit sharper and she had a really nice little blow out the other day. She said she is so big. So we And she's she's super sound but you just you know. I'd love to go give her this big to turn work letter. Structured stretching legs out of a little bit. But we didn't need that 'cause racist coming up so I just let her just Kinda. Just text the gas pedal a little bit and Man when she gets going it would be nice to see if she can get a nice clean run And sort of maybe a crafty type of rod from Wilmer that Once she does get that huge drive. Go and don't take anything away from there. So we'll see. I think she should be a bit more forwardly placed and have more on more gas in the tank. coming down the LINE SCREEN IMAGE. And you know there's there are some there are some of the usual suspects in here including. Clermont who loves the sneak Sneak wins in at Tampa. He's got a first time starter. Gala Gold was actually the three to one Morning Line favorite Who suddenly sending horses Over from Payson Park and his scoring. And he's got my man Willie Martinez he's got Willie and So gets lasix first time First Time three year old. Oh this is a Malibu. Moon of STU Janis out of hit it rich. Who was a personal favor at the Smart Strike Mayor? This one certainly cut out to be nice of any neely has got a body Mr Philly for summer place called heavenly peace four to one. You Got Nacho courageous in here you got Vicky Oliver who is looking for boy. Vicki's winless on the year. Wow that's a little surprising cheat she. Nobody's more upset with no keeneland than Vicki Oliver picked. That was gonna come through the radio. Well because by now she'd have four wins at Keeneland in three days. Got One and looks pretty tough. Yeah yeah this is came. Open one one the other day that rain pretty good so I think I might be. That one might be the one to be They're always after his lucky. Charms can't this was tremendous fun and I can't thank you enough. We always have a great time when you visit and four wins out of five starters Friday and Saturday at Tampa and obviously you know making the most of the bad situation and treading water until we get up to ocean port Good luck tomorrow. And we'll we'll talk soon. Undoubtedly thank the good talking to fishing a lot of fun easy and you can. You can follow. Can't of course on on twitter and that's sw- easy and there's a between the Z and the Y. S. W. E. E. Z. E. Y. K. Can't swayze and does a tremendous job and you can just hear from that roster of owners kind of kind of horses you're a quarantine. Barbie go go go do your thing. We'll take the bottom of the hour break when we come back. Jenn Shaw is going to join us from deemed Morton the accounting firm and consulting firm. That is helping and Tiara and horsemen and and equine business interests nationwide apply for federal aid during the quarantine period and we'll talk to her and get some instruction and direction and answer questions. Anybody wants to ask a question on twitter. Go ahead But chill provide you everything you WanNa know back after this Gen Shah second-half at the races Andy Serwer in a little while to and John White. It'S APPLE RACES WITH STEVE. 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Good Morning Steve. Thanks for having me not at all you family Colleagues everybody okay. Yes everything know. We're all socially just in my bet accounts have been practicing that for years so Well that's the line of the day hit the well done I. I'm doing one of these almost every day. Jen and I just want to send these these missives out there so that every body that you know is thinks they may have an application and that they may have a reason to apply for the various funds. Let's run it down for you know who it touches and how they go about If they've never done anything like this before it can feel a little bit overwhelming of course and quite frankly were on this together because the cares act that was passed on March. Twenty seventh created this holy New Program called the paycheck protection program for these loans. And so so. We're all learning this process together. Sort of unprecedented for the federal government to pass something and then implemented within supposed to be implemented within a week or week and a half. I think some of the banks are still getting on their feet. But the whole idea is to get Cash in the pockets of businesses and individuals as soon as possible with all these three laws that were passed in in March so to really We're all going through change together so I think we're all learning You know we sort of some of these programs. As more guidance comes out to the one that has the widest appeal and the widest application. The paycheck protection. Yes but you WANNA talk. I can just give you a little bit of just overview that and you know we've called it the I've had P P P your PP L. paycheck protection program loan. So yesterday I did another Webinar and I just started calling MP3 loans. Because there's you know paycheck protection program while so I'll refer to him as p three today. 'cause it's just easier and the reason why this is this is sort of the most The has the most priority right now. Is that the Carrot Act allocated Funding of three hundred forty nine billion to fund this program. And Its captain that under you know so so it would take additional legislation to to fund this program so even though this is open until June thirtieth of twenty twenty. It's recommended that people apply as soon as possible in case in case the funding In case the funding is used as a first come first program and it is a bit more broad than some of the other The other normal. Sba programs the SBA program but you actually go apply through your bank And it's available in general to businesses with less than five hundred employees And and it's key that these employees are reported on W. Two on W. twos versus like a payment to a contractor on a ten ninety nine or it's also employ are also available to self employed individuals who generate net self employment income into industry participants who may qualify Trainers with employees. Ww employees that practices with employees breeding farms or farms have employees or any of the above. That are that are self employed and the biggest benefit to this program is the ability to have all or portion of this loan. Forgiven tax free And so there's some other key provisions that are again that broaden normal SBA lending there's no personal guarantee and there's no collateral that that are required to obtain the loan Loan terms as they were announced an updated by Treasury last week. It's a two year loan at one percent interest with the first payment due six months from the date of the loan and then loans may also be prepaid without penalty. So if you get a loan amount and you find you're not able to use all of it You can actually just you can go ahead and prepaid that back you might have some interest. Cost the focus right now for getting applications in is calculating. What your loan amount could be and your maximum amount is calculated by taking your average total monthly payments for payroll costs and for most people that's during calendar year twenty nineteen And you take that time. Two Point. Five limited to ten million in total so two lesser There's a different period for seasonal employers. And there's a different period of if two thousand twenty is your first year in business But you're looking at your eligible payroll costs would be an e w to what you pay your to. Your W. Two employees including including grow salaries up to one hundred thousand per year per employee and then on top about any payment of group healthcare benefits including insurance premiums payment of retirement benefits etc and self employment and and the self-employed individuals side. They can include the net earnings from self employment up to one hundred thousand dollars. So you start doing the math on this And and that's really the key focus right now. There's a separate calculation for figuring out the forgiveness but for right now That that's the that's the key calculation And and the other benefit There again broadening is that this credit available elsewhere is normally requirement for. Sba has been waived for you. So this means that owners of the businesses are not required to seek other sources of capital including equity or debt investments from the owners before they obtain this loan. They just must certify that the uncertainty of current economic conditions makes a low necessary to support the ongoing operations of the business And obviously in the industry right now with the racing or breeding side with canceled sales And cancelled racing or postponed racing. That's not a difficult argument. Standard to reach to certify it. Obviously when when the way you lay this out in terms of the W. Two payrolled employees in the hot walkers grooms forman etc assistance system. Trainers yeah the the the payroll a trainers as staff. How about Sort of reference commercial breeders and the PIN hookers. What's out there for them? So so there's different program If the for those that don't have W. Two employees so if I see it we see it with racing partnerships or You know maybe racehorse owner that you just pay pay the trainer to To take care of their horses the There is a bit more restrictive Sba Program called the Economic Injury Disaster Loan Program or e ideal And so unlike the P. three loans. I just talked about that. You go through a bank from an application perspective You apply for these loan directly through the SBA and they actually have an online application. That you can use And you know again. It's a bit more restricted about who qualifies here in order to qualify for this. It's not necessarily a function of how many employees could be a function of your gross receipts so for Does in racing racehorse owners trainers jockeys that have less than twelve million dollars a gross receipts. You could still and don't pay employees Bmw to you could potentially qualify for one of these loans And and again Breeding farms with employees Wh- breeding farms in general are currently eligible for the for these programs only but they may participate in the the more beneficial p. three programs. They have employs so. And that's just a a caveat that relates to the SBA the way that it's written right now so racing partnerships for trainers for You know for other racehorse owners that do not have Employee's this be a good option and it does provide for a ten thousand dollar advance. Grant that does not have to be repaid Once your application is processed by the SBA. What's the parameters for for available funds on the idea they they have So for temporarily for this program because this program has been around for a number of years The FBI waived the provision for having existing credit elsewhere. But the borrower must have acceptable credit and the ability to repave These loans and these loans are working capital loans. So it's perfect for You know someone who has to continue to pay You know training and board But but may have lost income opportunities. And and these are you know it's less It's less open as to how the SBA calculates these loans but they're essentially for working capital. So you can't use these to like expand your operations you can use them to pay accounts payable But the amount loaned depends on the demonstration of need but it cannot exceed two two million dollars and this is calculated by the SBA. The interest rate is three point seven five percent for business And you can have up to thirty years to repay it so There is collateral required For Loan amounts greater than twenty five thousand. And but there is there. There are some modifications to these normal provision for these the ideal program loans where Personal guarantees are not required and less alone is above Tw- two hundred thousand But again we have to you have to look at Spf will be looking at whether there is acceptable credit from the From the person or entity requesting the loan and is their ability to repay but they have relaxed their normal standards on these loans and also the cares act Created this ten ten thousand dollar advance grant provisions that is not required to be repaid. Wow how the the lost income opportunity is is the instrumental word there and I had not even. We've got a very small stable with with you know forces but they're all they're all. New York breads and we. We run a New York and I hadn't even occurred to me that we'd be eligible for this. Yeah something to consider and and you know I don't. I have less Guidance as it relates to how the SBA calculates that. But if you think about you know are have you suffered from this? You know the cove in nineteen pandemic disaster. Well yes because there's less there's not income coming through but your bills continue to be paid so it's not really a focus of what of what income you lost. It's really more of a focus on what bill you have to continue to pay but really without that without that opportunity to generate income to offset those bills so something to consider raising unbelievable so the the P. Three's the ideal jen. How about independent contractors like Ferrier's and and now of course you know the the ongoing treatment and care of the horses people like that actually are probably they're gonNA continue to bill the way they do. And hopefully you know on the other end are are getting paid through some of these auspices but what about Exercise riders you did not refer to jockeys but You know are there. Are there some areas between the cracks? That have been coming up in discussion. The last couple of weeks. So we have to exercise riders jockeys anyone. That's at ten nine receive ten ninety nine income There there's considered self-employed and so they can. They probably can apply for the The P. three loans because they're self employed individuals on their net self employment income so I use an example When did something for nights? I yesterday where you know. A trainer pays And know pays an independent contractor fifty thousand dollars and the independent contractor might have a couple of thousand dollars business expenses so that net forty eight thousand that independent contractor who could be an exercise rider walker etc can go out and get their own three loan on that net income So it's it's it's beneficial program for those who are independent contractors as well excellent excellent what other areas gender have been coming up that To connect the dots to just a couple more things about you know with the P. Three loans you go through your bank and That loan process started that opened up April. The third for small businesses and will open up April the tents for For independent contractors so You know people do try to work with your bank as best as possible. Sba DOT GOV has The relisting of who are or which are currently which banks are currently. Sba approved the program. You you apply directly online at the At the SBA. And of course as you can imagine there's lots of you know there's you know every banks and SBA been inundated so people would ask him about timing and it just varies. Widely depending on these programs and there are some additional programs that are applicable to those who pay employees the W. Two wages or also self employed individuals and they relate to either deferral of certain payment of taxes or employee retention credits. And some of these programs the two that I just mentioned if you do the P. three loans you can't also do these programs so You know so. There are things like that that are also applicable. And then there's There's of course some small income tax changes but but really Right now everyone's been focused on the P. Three loans and And and figuring out what the benefit could be for them it makes sense to apply And then trying to get that application as soon as possible and I did read Overnight and this morning the the actually treasury and so forth huddling about another round two of of these kinds of of fundings But you know the immediate need and the immediate opportunity To you know to get out in front of this It just it. It feels like you know these. I mean hours count essentially. Who can help jen the individual? Whoever's doing the accounting for for Barnes and trainers and and outfits Turn to your accountant for this Or can can some people. Actually I looked at the one yesterday for the P. Three. It's really just the two pager and it seems very simple. Yeah so so. We've been working so what I'm saying is it's imperative to get with your accountant if you're using a CPA your CPA who files your payroll tax returns. Because that's really a function of what calculates your loan amount We're also looking at we evaluate to some of the different programs looking at the P. Three loan program versus some of the employee retention credits that I didn't mention but just sort of a general mention about to see which is more beneficial for For clients and then quite frankly especially on the P. Three side the bank will ultimately make the decision about whether to accept or deny Or Ask for additional information so you know even though the banks have been telling everyone to talk to their CPA and we've been telling everyone talked to the banks. I found it very effective. I just pick up the phone and talk to you the people I know at the bank and we come up with A. Here's what we think. here's what we think is. There is a reasonable approach We're we're aware of some banks you know taking you know somewhat incorrect position on certain things but but we sort of say to our client. We'll do you want loan or not. And it might be a reduc reduced amount that we think there should be more that qualifies but it's really imperative to to coordinate with your internal accounting team your CPA and then the bank that you'll be applying through on the P. Three loan the ID L. Program has done to SBA and there you really thought application online and And they said that they'll contact ave about communication. They're you know one thing that These visits to the websites including the small business administration. I I'm GonNa Guess Jen that there's going to be people that discover there's other kinds of funding and grant monies and and various Support mechanisms that have been there all along. The people weren't even aware of wealth right. Yeah really all that. Come out of You know this is the the P. Three loans are completely new. That's something again implemented by the government in about a week where we can have time and but these e ideal ideal program and some of the other. Sba programs have been around for a number of years the CARADOC just enhance the ideal program By providing some additional funding to take care of the ten thousand dollar grants And also You know relax some of the normal. Sba loan provisions. I think all of us have not necessarily been in the SBA space For a number of years or getting a bit more familiar with really in general. Sba lending programs But certainly the P. Three is is is by far the least restrictive. I will also mentioned on the P. Three that five. Oh One C. Three organizations Who who Meet the criteria can also apply for the P. Three loans for the D. L. C. Threes and sixes can apply for the for the ideal To the program. So I just mentioned act like I'm working with a few threes. That are putting these applications as well. Well and that's it's I'm glad you brought that up. We talked to another JEN. Jen Rights and And obviously you're referring to You know the the various charities Involved in horse care and I suppose that the TA can can the those charities are you ta as well in this and coordinating those kinds of efforts? Yeah we're still work getting out to the credit to the TA the TA. We're getting out to all the credit facilities information on how to apply for this for this program specifically a bit more time sensitive than the DL program so You know we'd like we want people to know that it's out there too and then also on the individuals side For Twenty Twenty Cash contributions made the qualifying operating charities. Including the TA or credit facility is basically operating charities not donor advised funds or private foundations The the new care act allows individuals to offset up to one hundred percent of their income With these qualifying cash contributions to operating public charities versus The normal sixty percents And so they've relaxed those rules to help those who can help get money to fund these Operating public charities to to get to them excellent. How convenient that that you're the TA treasurer. I didn't find that up. But you're out there. Yeah we'll we'll talk about it but I love it. We're trying to help bar but we're trying to help our credit facilities as well to joining us from Dean Dorton who consults and You know long with the Alpine group has been instrumental in getting the information from the grant process here and and the loan system that was so quickly established and When it comes to timeliness I mean the the horses are you know. Twenty four seven and three sixty five they. They're not gonNA stop eating. They're not gonNA stop getting sick. They're not their teeth. Need to be floated. Their hubs needs to be done They're going to exercise. I mean this. Is You know the cash register rings every minute every hour of the day and even though the racing is paused the the work About those horses continues and so having these mechanisms to utilize is going to be an important lifeline and the timing really seems perfect You know the get everybody through the next sixty to seventy five days right JEN. What else do they need to know the NTR a website and Tiara dot com has got a lot of the links and much of this information. Nathe you mentioned the you're doing a seminar yesterday that was for That started eleven thirty. We talked to Joe Appelbaum in advance of it. That is on tape the teleconference from last week as well For anybody that hasn't seen it and and wants to Tonight the eighty minutes of of information And then of course what. We just went through here. Where else should they go? Jen for information and an access. So so if run more information for the P. Three loans they can go to treasury dot gov slash cares for the L. Program that can go to Epa Dot Gov our own firm Dean. Dorton has a copay nineteen resources Section on our website including The materials that are also on the NTR as website and night as website as well And then for any of the. There's some new provisions as it relates to mandatory paid leave. They can go to the Department of Labor's website which has some good. Faq's for that as well. So lots to that were all absorbing now so I'm sure everyone's getting inundated with emails and In different information but But those are some sources as well outstanding. Jen greatly appreciated. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast--GP Saturday Preview 5/16/20

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast--GP Saturday Preview 5/16/20

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated. King for this is the Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be Hello everyone. Welcome to a special Saturday edition. Well Friday Saturday preview of Gulfstream Park's eleven race program. Now whatever we do these. We've had pretty good luck with the weather. I think only one of them has been a soggy off the turf Saturday but looking at the forecast for the week coming up or the Saturday Friday and Saturday coming up at Gulfstream Park. It's supposed to rain an awful lot on Friday. I'm sure as many of you know re whether in Florida's a little weird it seems like it hits Mrs. Sometimes but it's supposed to be eighty percent ninety percent one hundred percent chance of rain really until Friday night and chances of thunder showers Saturday Sunday. Post to be clear so Do Take that into effect. When we think about our handicapping and to be honest I think it sometimes reaffirms talk about needing to be Nimble and not being married to things the day before we had that conversation about morning line horses. That are eight to one ten to one and I kind of had this a little bit with the Gulf or the Golden Gate to pick six the other day I. I really liked the one horse in the last race. I said he was not going to be eight to one and he wasn't. I opened up a tepid. Seventy two favorite. I think he ended up going off at four to one and I'd kind of said five or six to one was kind of where I wanted to be on that horse. But you know obviously if you're playing a pick six you don't know for sure the horse is going to go off at but I was guessing five or six to one. There was a scratch so that could have changed things in terms of looking at it In projecting price in an advanced fashion. Because you have to account for for scratches and whatnot but just because i like that horse and because it was my single. If I'm not getting the price that I want you know sometimes you just got to step away and you gotTa make adjustments. I i don't need to be married to that horse if i like. I said I thought his price was going to be five or six to one. It ended up being four to one. So it's it's not that far of difference to some degree but it is a different so I mentioned that just because you know when we talk about looking at car in advance particularly when there's potentially going to be whether issues which is the case at Churchill is well for their weekend you just Kinda gotta be ready for it but we kick off the card sprinting. Five and a half on the main track and of cheap maiden climbers and I kind of found myself going to on paper at first it looked like kind of a two-horse race. Nandita who literally ran five. Six days ago ran last weekend when we she was actually in part of that golf Saturday car. We talked a little bit about. She was beaten by the Horse. Who was the first time starter in that bad maiden race? That took a lot of money. And we Kinda talked about how that horse was kind of the only alternative and ran a pretty good race horse. Dna mean opened up and the Nina almost caught that. When I mean literally got beat to nose with the bug boy bug boys back. So they're still getting the weight and was that the difference probably not. It was a pretty weak group. They ran into last time and the horse number that they're going to have to come chase number seven honest. Gal who is on a few occasions you know had the lead and gotten caught late including the last star which was a pretty decent effort off the bench for Joseph trails. They're saving five pounds. Simple those to you. Know the the first timers. Don't look all that enticing. The horses toward the inside all just kind of plotter types and then all of a sudden I realize. Oh there's an eight horse on the outside in that first race and it's socially astray Antonio Donahue trains the five and Anita also has this one in and horses. Oh for fourteen. So that's not a great side but said Sano got the horse on the horses. Run three pretty representative decent efforts and they're kind of getting better each time fourth third speed up quite a bit and then last time out third only beaten a length and a half in the Nita race just the other day. was making up some ground in that race and they're shortening up. Which is you know somewhat concerning. But I think that it's possible the five and the seven might be going at it a little bit more early on and maybe it sets up for the eighty. This was a this was a funny race because like I said it. Looks like a two-horse race and eight looks like a clear third And it's real. I mean when they're when they're kind of cheap horses like this it's really hard to and cheap is a relative term right. I mean sometimes are near the bottom at the circuit which means to me you know. They might be near the bottom at many circuits. Where sometimes that person would be? Price would be eight thousand claymores but regardless. It's it's tough to get too confident about any of these kinds of horses. I mean that's just kinda how it goes and I would probably be inclined to take a stand with either the five or the eight. I mean I know that race wasn't great that they're coming out of but I don't know that honest Gal is is really all that much. She certainly could improve. She's a barn in a bit of a cold spell right now but they've had a lot of seconds this barn has and so it's a tricky little race to start out. We're so used to Gulfstream. Starting their cards with kind of these interesting maiden turf races big fields etc This is kind of one of those races where I think. A lot of people are going to go too deep. I think a fair number of people are going to go three deep and I think very few are going. Use Horses outside of those three You know maybe maybe the one a little bit. I was kind trying to like the one because I thought it could set up a little bit for closer but just a tricky little race and honestly the kind of Race I. I don't particularly like because the only ones I can make cases for multiple horses and and I'm torn between them but they're all going to be somewhat shortage prices right so I don't WanNa be I don't want to be doing what the masses are going to do and go two or three deep in that race I wanna find a single Or a completely different opinion and and go somewhere else. But I was really having trouble doing that with this particular race and it might be enough to where I would stay out of the early. Pick five because I just. I couldn't imagine going three deepen that leg unless I really had some strong opinions and there are some potential strong opinions later. I'll bet they're going to be short prices so again kind of a perplexing race for me and honestly probably one I would Would just watch and pass on. But if I had to I'm probably going five and then eight but you know that's it's not a fun. It's not fun now. The second race I think is way more interesting. So that's the good news and that's if it stays on turf number of these horses are coming out of the race that the number twelve. Jakko one and I went back and watched that replay spicy. Nellie who's drawn the rail at eight to one Was in that race. It seems like a lot of those horses from that race. Our prices on the morning line They're kind of looking elsewhere for favoritism trilby Who I've talked about on the show before on the weekend previews is seventy-two on the morning line but Obe Leo's wish was third. Jakko race is a ten to one on the line. Jakko is Four to one on the line and then chocolates dream. Who's won two in a row is your three to one slight favorite but is drawn out and post. Levin now of the horses in the Jakko race opening does wish who was third got cast out really wide into the first turn it. Was you know kind of one of those? We see. It happen. A lot of Gulfstream. Right where they fan out. Six or seven wide going into that I turn and wish broke from the thirteenth hole. In the twelve. Post is there was a scratch and just got fan way outside kind of had to make a little bit of a middle. Move to get into what I thought was a pretty good position. Honestly and Jakko was a little bit behind but also had a smooth journey to that I turn and that very well could have made a significant difference because when they jakko started to make a nice move followed. Jakko and Yucca would just kind of got the jump and was able to hold on spicy. Nellie made a nice rally from way way back and was way way wide which was interesting because two or three starts back. She was up on the lead through pretty solid fractions with her drawing the rail. I almost wonder if they'll try to have spicy. Nellie a little more forwardly placed Of the horses in that particular race I think does wish is the one who might offer the best chance versus price opportunity. There's a horse in here that I kind of like as a bit of an also ran type of Itami who's the number Tan who's twenty two one in the morning line and she kind of you. She kind of needs things to go away a little bit and things to fall apart. But you know. She's been competing exclusively at the sixteen thousand dollar level. And I know that it doesn't sound like much of a drop to twelve five but it is a little bit of one and if If she can get some pace to run out which you know according to my plots and everything it looks like there is plenty of it in here between a number forces and I thought the Tommy could be a really interesting big long shot to to spice up some payoffs if you're looking for that kind of thing and it gets the apprentice to which she's had if you look back to three and four starts back and even to starts back. She was six but only being lengthened. Three quarters I mean it was really rallying at the end and those were all with Christian Torres who's getting back on board so the apprentice weight and tour seemed to be a good thing for me. I mean she runs a lot. It seems like I think I saw her twice at Gulfstream Park West and both times she just missed at big prices and then when she went over to those were nominated a year so when she went back to the open company you know she's been a long shot in almost every start and figures to be once again but Kind of a fun little race. I guess it'd chocolates dream is your morning line. Favorite is coming off two wins in a row. One wired one closing from off the pace but you know that was a non winner of three and this is kind of more than twelve thousand so even though the horses in good form. It's a little bit of step up and it looks like there's just more pace so I was looking for this one to fall apart a little bit. I thought does wish the best out of that Jakko race terms of potential price are closure. I think is a little bit interesting as a potential deep closer as well the number five horse and even Bahama Kit. I think could maybe be a little bit interesting from off the pace. I'm predicting an off the pace type runner to score in this race and those were the ones. That kind of Tickled my fancy. The most we we moved forward to race number three. We'll look at the first six races and then we'll take our commercial break and then we'll look at the last five actually going to do the first six. I'm recording on Thursday night. I'm going to do the next five on Friday morning so Kind of going back to if you listen to the show. During the week I talked a little bit about You know staying focused handicapping and kind of split up my My handicapping time. Because I've noticed that if I if I really especially you know it's the end of my week. Thursday Thursday's kind of Friday and you know I was kind of intensely looking at the first four and then I realized by race five and six I was Kinda trickled out a little bit and I'm like well I'm not gonNA be able to look at the rest of this card with a sharp mind so I went to a little short walk. Got My Water. Came back spin you know half hour looking at the next two and So I feel good about six but I haven't even peaked an I at the The last five so. That's a little bit behind scenes. I guess it'll all sound the same to you guys but back on the main track thirty. Two Thousand Dollars Starter. Allowance Horses who've started for price of thirty two thousand or less over a certain time period. I think this one. It's just I think it's just what you've started thirty thousand or less an which have never wanna race other than made claiming so some some conditions on this one. There's a couple of saffy Joseph Forces in here and it's a very small field of six which made me wonder maybe a little bit. If he was kind of entering one just to make the race fell but they kind of both were at or near this level in their last couple and you know they both kind of fitting here and it wasn't like one moonstone who he has was not on the lead last time Against much tougher group but prior to that had been kind of speed shore and slinging. Sammy be the three has shown before but more recently is not and so I have to think that Zafy's going to send the two and maybe the three is a little bit of a a wake-up but there's a lot of other speed in here. Solitary gem is five to two and the tepid morning line favorite and the horse going first time for Peter Walton who claimed out of a non winner three last immerses one two in a row breezed right through the non to three. And then when I say briefs One I'm in a row but was it non level for a long long time so something seems to have switched on with that horse. Been running in New York now comes down to Florida. It's a different track. It's a new trainer first time against not restricted lifetime horses. It's more of a starter. Allows you run into horses. Who have one more than their share races and for in a short price? That's just not an angle that interested in Bargain air on the outside got was a big long shot last time. Gulfstream and ran a pretty decent second but to me either. This is one of the races where all the horses. I don't think they're that far apart. And so my inclination to kind of look for who I think might be a decent price as an option. You know if there's a six horse field and I don't think there's all that much separating all of them I'm not gonNA take solitary gem and I'm really not GonNa take moonstone either so I kind of was looking more towards maybe the three or the six and forevermark. Who's the five is six to one in the morning? I think that's the longest shot in the morning line. It is I mean she's not even crazy in her her best racist kind of put right there and so you know th this would be kind of one of those tricky little little races where I would probably fool around with exactness with the three five and six. Maybe hoping the four and the to kind of go up dusty part of that mic so I know that praying for pace breakdown at Gulfstream is not the easiest thing but You know if I'm looking to try to capitalize and make some money in a six horse field to me. That's kind of the direction I would. I would kind of go the fourth race on the program. We are staying on the main track. These are maiden clamours going six furlongs. This will probably be the single of the sequence for the early pick. Four and early pick five players Panorama is a Horse Fran Tonio Sano. Who dropped down to this level? Last time went to the lead early got past and stayed in second and made a bit of a rally in really ran a pretty damn good race got an eighty four. Br is number and that stands out in this field. Pretty significantly I think seventy nine Down for the too fast Catalina. Who's another Antonio? Sano runner and the rail horse had run a couple pretty good ones on synthetic got on the dirt. Last time it didn't run much at all. Does DROP THE PRICE IN HALF. The the one was a little bit of a wake-up potential horse for me You know the first time over the dirty gets fifty thousand. I mean this is A. It's a cutting the price in half so it's a significant class drop You know it's the same class drop that took the favourite from third beaten two and a half down to just barely beat the favourite. I did WANNA bring attention to the eight horse semi laugh Samir. See See me laugh. See Me Laugh. Think that's what is Sepia. Laugh cuts the price in half was running. Fifty was a big long shot and beat one. Horse was not that far off before fading but they put the blinkers on. And My blinkers on angle. The you know if I'm not an angle guy. I don't have a ton of that. I like swear by but what I see blinkers put on. This isn't so much of an angle. Something I look for. I always look to see their most recent workout because a lot of times that is where they put the blinkers on and tried it out in the morning and the Horse was the fastest. Twenty-three work at calder. Which is a little bit of a deeper more tiring? Sandy kind of surface and it had been working there prior to its debut but that was still just a debut. The trainer wins a couple of times. Eight when they add the blinkers and so to me. I thought this was a wake-up type horse I wouldn't like I said I know a lot of people are gonNA single the six. I think a lot of people are going to use the two If this horse stays above ten to one which I don't think it will. I think it's going to be more in the seven or eight to one Ballpark but maybe it does hold. Its price because the six is going to be just such a short price. So I'm really intrigued by see me laugh in the spot as a potential wakeup type. I mean is not a well branding like that but I think there's enough changes going on and there's enough positively in that workout and adding the blinks that I thought could be an interesting An interesting chance in there so but I think you know looking at a pick. Four pick five. I think that's where most people are going to be making. Their stand is with that six worse and a logical favourite in terms of should be a favorite. But I think there's you know there's reasons to think the horse can get beat But it it might happen half the so be ready for that off the turf for the Fifth Race Again. Big asterisk with that because as we know the whether a potential issue and this was this was a tough race for pace handicapping optics one of the things. I like and like I said I even talked about the first race. Might be kind of a pass race. The optics plot will tell you like look. This is not a good fit for this race. There's either a lot of lightly raced horses or horses chain distances just not. It's not the best time for that and so I appreciate that because you know I'd rather have. I'd rather know that okay. Look this is not a race where I can rely on this particular software information but I still would use you know interface where their plot doesn't fit well still use the trip notes and other things because I think there is good information other than just the plot. It's just that's the primary thing I use but I thought was interesting. Was the one horse you know. I'm I'm pretty leery about any horses coming out of Navarro Services. Barn as as they start to trickle back in and this horse isn't necessarily coming out of Varos Barn because they claimed it but Wesley Ward had this horse for the same owner they pay one hundred ninety thousand four. It's I'm guessing. That's you know. They had the horse I to starts. I'm guessing it was them. That did that. Got It claimed away for fifty. They entered it right back for fifty and Wesley reclaimed. It from Navaro Navarra claimed it got the win and got the fifty thousand back so nice Nice little month for. Hey but ward has the worst back now takes the blinkers off which is funny. Because he had taken the blinkers off in the second career. Start the horse. One with the blinkers when Navarro had him and now he takes them back off. It is extending the racist going longer. So maybe he just wants the horse to try to relax or something but Maker has one in right his outside Sky Snow who just tried winners last time at the same level and was not all that successful and was kinda getting put under ride early in the race to me. That's never the the best side in Wilkes has a horse who I thought was really interesting. the four urban fairytale debuted on the dirt at Alliston. Run a jump. They tried the turf at Kentucky. Downs in the race actually ran okay behind an Oleh Gay. Who's decent type and a couple of other horse came back to win? So then the next starter fairy tale Goes to Keeneland and runs a pretty damn good second and then able to break the maiden finally at Gulfstream back on On March the twenty ninth so You know those Gulfstream maiden specials in the championship part of the Meat Right around Florida. Derby there are pretty salty races and now they've already had one comeback to win. So I think the sources a logical player on this little step up here you know the favoritism toward the outside logic and reason Christoph Lamont seems a Gulfstream to be doing pretty well as of late in the last race to just toss right they. They broke the maiden very impressively the speed figures for this one are very strong the way the horse after you know stumbled and then pulled up there adding lasix this time The eleven to me is going to be pretty tough horse to beat if it runs its race Iran Clermont but those two turf races at Random. Belmont going six and seven. We're just both very very good and so this is to turn race but it is a seven and a half to turn race so it's not like it's a huge distance question for this particular one so The four and the eleven where the two. I was most interested in the forest figures to be more of a price. I'd probably lean that way if I was GonNa make win or something like that. I was trying to look for who might be a an interesting longshot proposition. Ginger Kitty I think you can kind of get a little bit excited about Comes from the Journal and a Peter Pugh who? I'm not that familiar with Peter. Pews one for one with horses that he's just recently acquired in Christopher Torres gets on board to save the weight and this horse of run to dynamite races early on in the career including one on the grass here Gulfstream than the last time was grade three and you know those are just pretty deep waters. Kinda got shuffled back and it was kind of one of those weird finishes because the Horse got shuffled back but and was tenth and people are going to see that but you know I know turf races. They finish a little bit closer. But this one was only beaten four and a half and a grade three They do add the claiming tag which is kind of interesting. But I don't know I just thought if the price stays up on Ginger Kitty that she was one that could be a little bit interesting one of the features if not the feature. I guess is the Sixth Race. Which is the stakes events? Seventy five thousand dollars. It's the roar stakes three year olds six and a half furlongs and some names Some names we know right. Green Light go to winner won the Saratoga Special Captain. Champagne is the favouritism. Lobbied him came back this year at a short price. Got Beat in the SWAIL BY MISCHIEVOUS ALEX. But you know he. He was kind of far back that day. Terms the field news kind of scramble up front there and Lewisite jumps on board. Jimmy Jerkins is a little bit chilly right now but I mean I think. I think this is the kind of horse. This is the kind of favorite I always. I'M GONNA WANNA play against just because I think a lot of the weight that it's carrying in terms of people betting on it is the fact that it was outstanding as a summer two year old and was pretty good as late two year old. And then you know ran got beat pretty bad by mischievous Alex who did come back to win next time out. Ecuador again. There's a there's a lot to tap into this war since then and some of the other horses and if he's just going to be such a short price I just don't want to be part of that Part of that party. I'm a little interested in Cajun Casanovas. Is someone who should be kind of close up and seems to really like Gulfstream Democrat for Kathy? Bradfo was a good maiden breaker laurel that came up to Gulfstream and ran pretty damn good to finish second in allowance just in a second career start. Thought that one had a little bit upside with verbs coming off of To upset wins including that score and the Hutchison eighteen and one. It's a it's a tricky little race. I thought I thought you could make a case for a number horse. I don't particularly like the one horse coming off the saffy claim even though Oscar Gonzales is pretty good off the claim I to me. The four was the most interesting and kind of wanted to make a case for the six our nation on parade who was a very good two year old. I started three and Hutchison ran. Pretty darn good to finish third and then Kinda through a clunker going the flat mile and cuts back and then last time clipped heels so lost the writer very early on so. I kind of try to toss that and now all of a sudden. This doesn't look that bad to me at ten to one so four and six were were my most interesting in the stakes race in terms of trying to beat green. Like oh who as I said If similar that Cassie last week right the the one that won the Would have been the second to last race at Gulfstream. Last Saturday You know they're they. Were really good at two and if if the Horse just comes back and beats me I'm fine with it. I'm just I'm there's so many times that those kind of horses don't come back and run all that great that I'm just I'm willing to take a chance on getting beat by especially in smaller field. And they're just going to be such a short price. That's a lot of people when it comes to their horizontal bets. They see smaller fields. And I think they if there's a single they're they almost want to just take it and move on and I think sometimes you're you're because you know it just doesn't look like so much of the logical spread race everybody's like Oh there's a big turf race right after that with big full field of eleven. That's where I'm going to spread so just thoughts. Let's take a short time out. I'M GONNA go sleep and when I come back in thirty seconds. I'm going to have slept. I'm going to have Taken a little morning walk. I'm GonNa have handicapped and I'm GONNA be refreshed for the second half of our Saturday preview. Gulfstream it's Jason Horse. Podcast brought to you by these guys. Twin spires twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world. Sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars. Sign up bonus when you weighed. Five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances. Live video race replays. 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I spent the last hour and a half looking at it and I talked about it earlier this week. On the show about the handicapping online. And how for me? I get so distracted and this morning was like though the worst of it when I say I spent an hour and a half on the first half hour was look at a horse. Look twitter look at a horse. Look to. Let's watch a temple of the dog concert then handicap horse and then you look on twitter. I gotta I gotTa figure something like the ipad. It's way easier because then you're not you don't have like all your tabs on your browsers and everything right up there but if you've never heard of temple the dog. It was a side project band. Chris Cornell from soundgarden Pearl Jam guys very good very good and one of the songs was in Wayne's world of all things All night thing. That's a good one too. I think it's the last song on the Back to the the Gulf from credit I noticed as I got through the rest of this card. I mean first of all. It rained all day Friday or Thursday night into Friday. Gulfstream there off the turf Friday so the turf is looking like it probably ain't happening so as much as what sucks about that is the turf. Races are the best racism which is kind of the par for a lot of race tracks but I think they're dirt. Fields of noticeably. Gotten a little smaller at At GP since You know since some of the other tracks announce the reopening and what have you but But I noticed that almost every race seems to have like legit pace. The last one can doesn't but a lot of there's a lot of racists where I looking at my plot looking at how the shapes up it just seems like there's a lot of need to lead types or a lot of want to lead types and racist that setup for closers and I try not I think with turf I'm probably a little bit over biased towards closers like I liked looking for one because the first of all they're usually where the prices are. It's rare that you get a loan speed. That's GONNA be fifteen to one sometimes but if you do it's because it's a surprise loan speed and you know you either from stretch out or just as competing against other whatever but Back to the the car. The seventh race Begins the late? Pick five seven and a half furlongs on the grass and again a race. That's just like loaded with with speed and early types. You have a cure into pletcher horses. Al-mashreq we're GONNA see more and more of those of course as we go on and you know in Kieron's training career coming to an end but Croix in here. Who's one of the coolest Florida breads? There is six for twentieth. He's coming off a second place. Finish behind Halliday in an optional claimer. Of course we know. Halladay has just gotten insanely hot lately and has been getting low leads in and winning wire-to-wire while this day Croy battle with him a little bit early but kind of yielded to him and was unable to then subsequently real that one in and I is his best efforts of almost all been when he's on the lead and I just don't see how he gets it here. I mean celebration is outside. Gets the lead go and five eighths at Gulfstream? One flat I mean. How's that Horse Dot on the lead? So I thought again should it be on the turf and should it? You know stay together like this that there was a few other ways to go and I found myself looking at the eleven. Forevermore longshot option ran a good one for for for fifty thousand last time finishing second had been in way over his head for a little while and you go back to when they had him in these kind of listed stakes last in the fall in September and stuff. He was running pretty honest decent races and was was somewhat tactical and he was more tactical last time and I think that the way this race potentially sets up for a price source to get in the number I thought he was a pretty decent option. There's a couple of MTO's if this race does get washed off the turf will likely be very tough including the number five. Kinan who's got three straight wins in a row and you know it's just looking more and more like this card is not going to stay on the grass but you never know it dries up fast down there. It's a weird thing like here. You know maybe from growing up like play baseball stuff like if it rained at all during the week it seemed like our games get canceled because it just never tried it up but down there it seems to it seems the dry up reasonably quick the eighth on the card and begins the elite. Pick FOUR. And it's a mile turf event earn mile dirt of and. I'm sorry out of the out of the chute and features untitled who last time out at one to ten. I don't know why we say one nine. Because there's only room on the tope board after the Dash for one number but the horse was one to ten ten cents on the dollar right. Isn't that how it works or is it one nine? I forget maybe on the one to twenty that they still right as one of nine anyway source was ten cents on the dollar completely. Walk the dog upfront. Never looked back with just in against competition that was far far inferior. But a good know little bit of a layoff start Get used to To Gulfstream which the horse debuted at Gulfstream with that huge huge win. It's trying to poke holes in these these big favorites. Say it all the time on the regular show and there is other speed in here and to me for a horse like untitled. That's that's worthy of note because the two times that untitled didn't have the lead at the first call are two of the three times that the horse lost and the other time. It just got real by Gouverneur Morris. Who's a pretty decent orders so the horse to the inside? Cajun brother is been on the lead in both career doors. Outside of untitled has been on the lead in one career start and it seems that there are some others who liked to be somewhat. Close up the horse on the rail extraordinary Was closer last. Time edgy fire. The two has been off the pace but made kind of an early move last time and so trying to see if you know project whether or not untitled can get pressured now. According to my optics plot it looks like Cajun Brother Might WanNa go with that one but titled Looks Pretty Salty in the spot. The only horse I really saw potential and kind of picking it up if they really through a down was was the to fire for. Jimmy Jerkins Like I said made kind of a big move early on at the EPA quarter pole in that race and you know I it just flat out a little bit and wasn't able to kind of keep on but I thought it was a decent effort. It was first time against winners Stretching out to the mile I think there's a lot of reasons to be encouraged at this one could improve and I do think it might take some work from those other horses to pray and we shouldn't overlook Cajun brother WHO's a perfect two for two. This is a step up in class. This horse did battling with another horse in that race last time and not only pulled away but pulled away away one almost by three lengths after being stretched. So I don't want to dismiss that one as just a pace rival for untitled but They both kind of looked like they have the one style and it's a mile to which makes me think like if they really slug it out there. I mean it could get. It could get ugly fast for those speed horses or of course. The other potential trade off is they. Could you know one of can get loose and just go up and walk the dog or they both just kind of you know gently? Go at it to three eighths pole which I don't see happening but you know how many times do we predict the pace and we don't we don't we. Don't get it done unfold. That way and I. I'm looking at the races. I'm relying on that to happen a number of times. I'm really excited for the the ninth race and I really hope it stays on the grass. Because there's some just interesting horses the powder break stakes at a mile on the turf for the phillies and mayors older runners. And there's a Chad overseas runner from France. Maddock it and all that so. It's a Bradley Wise Board oversee purchase. So it'll probably win a bunch of great ones but it hasn't been running all that great in the last few was against you know group type competition So I. I can't imagine Chad buying and running something. That wasn't going to be you know a contender in race like this. But it's going to take a short price because of the connections and who it is. I mean we don't know anything about the horse other than the connections and You know first time. Us Chat is not as great effect. Category he's He's only twenty one percent versus his normal twenty five to thirty for everything. I think the two makes this race interesting again. There's there's quite a few horses. I think that want to be on or near lead and so I'm kind of looking for someone to come from from off of it but the to Jakarta is total blazing sprint Dirt Horse. Who they put on grass and ran them off their feet. Don't five eight so now stretches out I have to. The mission is the same. Go as fast as you can. As far as you can Valedictorian. Who normally likes to be on or near the lead is in here is there's no silver kitten like that they can't all get the lead and so silver kitten is just an amazing form right now at most. Danny Garden Horses seems like are are just completely running out of their skin right now and it's hard to dismiss any of his horses but I just think this spray shape is so not what this particular guy wants if he can show a new dimension. I guess he becomes a contender the pletcher horse values. I don't think you're going to get six to one. Undefeated has always has won all three races with with by open links. I mean space between that horse's hind end and the horse's nose because they've all been a length and a quarter length and a half wins but on grass when you're coming from off the pace that's kind of a lot. But his running at Monmouth has run over the course broke the maiden on debut dina passer that day. I got to call this one in an allowance race gray filly who blew up the rail the day I called her and then came back to To win a state at Monmouth after I left but she you know she got some time off. She's just been very good. They paid a lot for. I would think that she ends career. Start Number Four. If she's ready to lay off this is going to be a move jump forward and she's GonNa be a big big time player in this race. We get to the certainly the biggest name in the race. Who We haven't mentioned yet. And that's got stormy stormy of course lost Tampa came back and I thought really avenged that effort with a second place finish behind River Boyne in the Kilroy Mile I don't think the river joins next shares and all them are quite as good as some of the other grass horses out east. So it's a great one. It's a good race. She ran huge speed. Figure was fine. I don't think she's where she was in her. You know in BC mile or the matriarch or whatever but from a speed figure standpoint it says she is and so you know she's run well a Gulfstream before. She's obviously very accomplished. I just have that race at Tampa in my mind and I don't know I mean she. She very much proved to me the to everybody that it was a little bit of a fluke. She was just kinda short because she came back and ran so well on the kill rope but she did find a way to get. I don't know that this field this is certainly a class drop. I mean that's you know. Let's not mistake that but again it's just always comparing price versus. You know they're going to do you know she that far because I don't think she's going to be nine to five. I think they're gonNA she. She tends to get pretty heavily. She was even money against a great one and got a neck. So how does that equate to running against her own sex in a restricted? Yeah why restricted. You know her own sex but I mean in a listed stakes. I gotTA think she. She goes off at much shorter than that and probably deservedly so and she's probably get to run into so I mean you know for me. It was kind of got store being values to me. Look like they're gonNA be way ahead of everybody else at the end if the race shapes up as could be an of course. That's without knowing what? The Chad horse is kind of hard to get too clever in that race because I think it just does set up for those horses even though it's not that I'm not a got stormy fan. I just at that price. I want to try to to beat her. And I you know other than valiants. I'm not seeing a whole lot of opportunity to so and I think even value tests to take up pretty major step forward to to do that. The musical romance stakes is race number. Ten in sprinting at seven furlongs for the phillies and mayors. And this was one that you know the pace scenario. I don't think is going to be as insane as some of the other races. There's a lot of what lies star does is where the question is for me because there's a lot of lake close up stocker types and I suppose to sixty is is a kind of needs a liability lady island figures to be out on the engine. I mean she's Lady's island rather I mean she's just been insane as of late and the only couple of times she's lost she's just got hooked by you know good horses that have ran her down but when she gets. Lou She's just very difficult to hit. I mean there is other speed but you know. Oceans of love is a speed but one whose cutting back from from long long distances The horse on the outset. Gp's delight again quick but not lady's island quick and so you know I just was trying to think of what what lies a star does to me is a little of the question mark Because she didn't go to the lead last time and she actually ran pretty good Fish third beaten three. But you know you go back to Oliver previous races. She'd been or near the lead. She's very much speed type but She's could be a big price. And if somebody does go with Lady's island somehow I thought maybe she could be an interesting one and picking up wildwoods. Beauty comes running every time very very cool horse. Bolero is one that should not be overlooked. God How consistent. She been her only time out of the money was when she clipped heels and lost the writer early time out of the exact so when she lost the writer and she's a great three winner. I think she actually might come down a little bit off of her price four to one so if she stays up there she becomes very very interesting to me. But I think she's going to get back down a little bit. You know like I said to me the question is does anybody would ladies. I alerted us. She come back at all. And that's what you have to try to figure out to me lies star was the most interesting one to try to get a quote unquote in the number. Because she's she's pretty damn honest You know and she's she's been in the hunt against wildwoods beauty and some of these other ones and so you know that I thought I thought there's a number horses could win the race. It's a fun race and again you gotta try to got to try to beat a horse that that might be shaken loose. And that's that's where I thought. The puzzle was the the tenth or the eleventh and final race rather made in ten thousand on the on the main track. And it's a pretty. It's pretty rough group in terms of good form. Or what have you? The favourite is going to be toward the outside. The ten storm the Bridge. Who was competing around this level last time? Battled up on the lead before fading in the last couple of furlongs. The debut effort was very good They tried the turf in between that. It didn't go as good. But Lewis Cya shows up to be. That's a big note on this horse I think he's just the guy down there. I mean obviously I read this as well but When Lewis Shows up tells me that you know this is they. He's available and they but they be that this is maybe the run for the money the horse right inside of it captain. Jenner's it three to one but to me. The source is giving up an extreme tactical advantage because it likes to come from way back and going short and cheap runners unless somebody really hooks up with ten which the eight is a little bit of an early speed type That we know of. There's a couple other ones here that they've shown a little bit of early foot. I guess the four you know be somewhat prominent but the other the the only thought was maybe a a wake-up type horse was the the one I am butter putting their adding lasix. They're putting on blinkers. The last work was pretty. Solid with the blinkers last. Couple works have been They went on the grass. The last two times and the dirt form is not great but it just looks like the horse improved a little bit at least in the one to back and sometimes regardless of surface if a horse I think just runs a better efforts. Sometimes they can carry that over to surface but I'm banking on the price being huge. And that's why you know. If I'm right on that. Every twelfth thirteenth time it becomes a profitable kind of thing You know there's certainly doubt but there's always going to be doubts in fifteen to one shots. That's just that's just part of the deal I mean the favorites. I thought the ten completely made the most sense. Because A it's going to be able to clear from the outside or if it doesn't You know he's going to be able to kind of just stock and be you know. Be Kinda close right up there with without worrying about infield traffic so I think row hand in the we going to be pretty tough in the finale. I thought one was a a goofy price option. If you're if you're looking for something like that but that is just a quick little forty-five minutes spin through the Gulfstream Saturday card. As I mentioned the the rain looking more and more likely so Take all that with the big fat grain assault and You know as I said earlier. Don't get don't get married to horses the night before getting married to him when you see the price when you see how the tracks plan and then you can go go crazy. I hope everybody has great weekend. We'll be back with all the shows on Monday looking forward to it and we will see everybody have a great weekend.

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Trainer Talk with Kent Sweezey

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Trainer Talk with Kent Sweezey

"Originating from Jimmy Johns of Lexington Studios. This is trainer. Tom Presented by facing Tipton on the horse racing radio radio network but it was. Oh the game. Su winslet Donnay assault. WE'LL GIVE trainer Steve Asmussen career win number six thousand it was all another dugout. Nail spoiled bench traded anyway. Look six win canals. Rosie has gotta give Trader Greater Gary Contessa. His two thousand career win on dialed in to them. It was animal cane guns. Graham skied hobby whip career victory number. One Thousand Blondes now. Here's Mike Pence tonight's guests first appeared on this show April twelfth. Two thousand seventeen. Just as he was beginning his training career since going out on his own. The thirty four year old native of Lexington Kentucky has now saddled eighty one winners including six already through the first twenty nine days of twenty twenty and to make things even better as as part of this whole story of our guest tonight. This past Saturday he will be forever referred to as the greatest stakes winning trainer. Because of what happened this past Saturday pretty special stuff hello again everyone and welcome to the show. Trainers listen to this trainer talk presented by Phasing Tipton on the horse racing radio radio network. Mike Penner Berna backstretch coming to you once again from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington Broadcast Studios and happy to have all of you with me for the next hour as you tune it throughout North America on Sirius to nineteen Xm to a one and streaming worldwide on our website at horse racing radio dot net and for those of you tuned into the podcast. Most of this program afterwards. We appreciate you doing that as well and happy to have you along for the ride. Please join me in welcoming back to train her. Talk your tonight. Kent Swayze swayze our special guests for the next hour can't Thanks for taking the time my friend thank you very much. After she's doing things are good and you know it's it's interesting because I mentioned that you will be forever known now as a graded stakes winning trainer and I know you have bigger aspirations up the road but it was a big deal this past Saturday you sent out fatman the son of Munnings to win the Fred Hooper stakes at Gulfstream Park. A grade. Three congratulations thank. Thank you very much. It was a big weekend for us and the Just got him back to Tampa the next day and come back to track now. Today was his first day back and he Moving movin good looks. Well and I think we're going to have a pretty fun Spring with him. You know they say winning any races special and I know I've been on the other side of that as an owner and I would tell you that winning a maiden race is exciting as anything but it has to go to a little different level when you win a greatest stakes doesn't it it. Does I think I think we've discriminates my first one. That's one but I think There is there's just something about it and I've had a lot more people that have said something along the lines of you know it's it's really tough to integrate. Its Day you can see it somewhat puts us in an elite father. Gory I suppose but No I think for just getting started and We had a lot of success. That's up at Monmouth this year. And so hoping that carries over into Down here but I live down here where we're We're trying to focus on up there so when we do win down here. It's just an added. Bonus bonus for us and Yes good meat at Gulfstream and the source really picked everybody's head up in So I think we're GONNA gearing up and have a couple more to run down here here and then sort of your upper moment in the spring and summer up there kind of ironic that you'd win a horserace with a horse named Batman isn't it. Yeah The lady that we're at the sale we were going through and you know names. Names don't mean much unless there were there were some horses have really the good name. They can't run and have bad names. That can so it's When we were looking to buy a scintillating listed just in twenty says and I think right she came back with a horse called fat man who dreams of owning a horse named Fatman? Yeah and He's the he's the biggest in the barn and he's kind of turned into the big worse and more more ways than one you know. Where did you end up watching the race on Saturday right outside? I had a bunch of people with me. We had. I guess there's about five or six people that own the worst myself included and We you know it's up to get a tough to wiggle your way around on at this day and so I think we probably just like jok leg up walked out and said well. Let's just watch it right here. We had a nice table inside that they gave us for having a horse in the steak and But we just said you know what let's just watch it amongst all the people and if something were to happen that's even more you'd hate to win a race sitting up there by yourself so it's It's kind of fun. Everybody's cheering for the horse. And not just us. There were people around as we were sitting there. People are saying come on man you know before the that was kind of cool. Yeah but we should point out that it's not F.. Sat It's P. H. A. is how that they misspelled wreck yeah correct was fit already taken. I'm not sure you know we bought him. So I I I'm not sure how. How Brad Grady decided to name him but when we bought him became without name. When did you know you had the race won? I'd say sixteen people. Maybe maybe eight four. When he was were three of them across the track and it looked like he was the one that was just had the most gas left? I guess I'm they weren't really quick upfront and I think they. They did Kinda stagger home. But I think any ray source would stagger on the twenty to forty four going a mile. I I don't I don't blame him one bit and Yeah it was just you know I I still thought said. Don't come back on the inside. I don't come back on the inside and sure enough. He held on. He's got a massive strides and we were talking talking after the race. That a big horse they said about secretary and having whatever however big of hardy ad and if that's what made him good or if just sheer ability and it was just chanting out the big heart but you know when you do have a big worse like this and I'm looking at them right now and he takes up the whole the whole doorway and you have to think that it was like that has. He's you got real good bones and that's GONNA hopefully sound. He's got big lungs and he. He brees well. I think those are the three things that thing especially the other thing. You also have to only absolutely do it the right way and you know so I you know. I don't know I'm curious to see how he how he comes back in and breeze back after the race and see where we go next. But I'm thinking can he did us right this time. So the reason Russia that if you don't have how old is he. Is He six six. Yeah well it just keeps getting better anyway. I mean I've only I've only known the worst for for six or eight months. We bought him in July. So it I know I know I'm very well now but going into it. I didn't know what to expect. And we Anytime horse racing so stuff because you you're almost looking for why they're trying to sell him you know is there is. Are we missing something or they. Could they do something. We're not GONNA do that kind of stuff. That crosses your mind with him. I I talk to Joe. Sharp sharp line buddy has in forever and he said that Source was fine. You gave me the okay on you know and I thought that was that was he just gave me a thumbs up. You know just end up to where you say you're not gonNA get yourself in any major jackpots and You know we came out and I didn't really breathing very hard when I got him because I see him and how he does this well. Let's let's just hope he's just better than the rest of uh-huh and we'll just you know. Run them in this little allowance Delaware and then we brought him back in a steak and you think well maybe just a change of scenery maybe easier company might help them out and you never know a lot sometimes especially older. I think they've been around the block. They're a lot smarter than these younger horses. Come in and and maybe taking care of himself mixed with what we're doing with him and just the fact that he's happy again. I guess that's what's making them. Tick I guess right now. What attributes did you see in him? That made you want to go to Joe and say. Hey you no. I'm looking at buying this force. What do you think well to be honest with you know when the book comes out the first thing I'd do is look at the? PC scroll through the entire PP's these racing racehorses say which ones that I want to train and about half of them say are way too out of my budget and the other ones are going to be five thousand dollars horses that we're not looking for you know so there was about twenty of them that just fit and so you do a little bit of research you watch replays facing fifteen does a great job with with putting out a really good website about a month before person. You've got all your rag numbers whatever number you like everything you like to read. They've got it on there. And if you live video replays they've got the length videos you know it's a it's a really easy way to to promote the horse because if I had to call these people and say hey go look up the fifth race on Friday at Lonestar. They're gonNA say well. How the heck do I do that? Where would with with a good website? Boom boom you just click and you find it so that helped and then I can send horses to owners say here. Here's ten we really like. And then you know we think we're GONNA fit this level bowl and and again I said the other day about how when you buy a horse you often wanted to look and see what What especially you claim on? You always want to have a race in mind when you climate so when you buy when you think the same thing he might dream a little bit and we're going to get him for sixty in the ways GonNa win a great state forest but it worked out that way and But you know we thought the older Horse Division. There are lots lots of options up where we go and mom. You know turf racing tough. It's really really hard racing Difficult racing Racing often have smaller fields We have all all those options around the PA Laurel Delaware New York even so we have lots of places that we can go pick and choose spots and you know. I don't think we were looking. It wasn't or maybe it was our goal boat but by no means an expectation. And so that's where you enter a couple of. Maybe you scratch out of the race so I don't like that spot or that's the beauty of being a stakes race. You can scratch penalty so we did. We nominates isn't cool spots and and entered a couple and and Yeah but I think think just in fact that he was an older horse. That wanted to go. You know route aground a little bit of a router ground and He was that was a huge part of it so that was kind of where we what angle took their. Yeah talking a trainer. Kent swayze here on trainer talk presented by facing Tipton and the horse racing radio network. Kent you gave a leg up to jockey the IRA Ortiz junior the champion jockey again this year and when you look at the other trainers that were in that race the Fred Hooper. Todd Pletcher Dale Romans Bill Mutt Chad Brown and Barkley Tag. How did you end up getting Iran or teased? Ride your horse. Yeah I Oddly enough we kind of stumbled on him in Harlan's holiday it seems like he got run out of them that He's the kind of course it might need not necessarily an aggressive ride but wanted to just keep them on task and I read fitting really going going into this race. After he ran. Second Harlan's holiday I Jay Rushing and just listening. We ever had a chance to get Iran getting locked up for a race some Pakistan twenty. Well let me work on it like they always do and then When you called me and said well baffert might be thinking about running for his horses in there and I kind of assumed it might have been Krista so if bob chose not to go to the Pegasus he probably would have run into the undercard race? Racist Fred Hooper. So obviously obviously he would have been with me so it actually just worked out really well and you know I. I am glad we Kinda chose to stay home a little a bit because it's an easy ship for him for hours is nothing And Yeah it worked out great and I said earlier that I think wherever we go next. It'll it'll have a lot of influence on where where I read goes if I read in one of these undercard races again? Like these big prepped for the Derby races and that would be great and I think at this point we have lots of options so we shouldn't settle for something that'd be don't really like it doesn't really suit him todd. Pletcher was on fire Saturday. He seemed unbeatable. We know how good Chad Brown is. We Know Bill Martin and all of his hall of fame credentials. How cool is it for? You can't to be able to say. Hey I beat those guys in graded stakes. Yeah I think he was probably probably more early on when I first got started. I didn't WANNA maiden forty up in New York at Belmont and it was a small field scratched onto a couple but one of them was pissed off. And I I used to work for crosstalk it would never in my wildest dreams. I would've thought I'd I'd be pissed off the dumb off. Are you know working for him. He was he was the man Adama and I didn't think I'd ever be able to him. It was just. It was really cool to win a race and he was the first one to congratulate me anyway. Getting back to your question. I think it's It's really cool and a lot of people that were looking You know okay we can get better down the road and winning races like this. I'm big days. Maybe it shows that we can compete. What we're doing enters is the same as the same as the other guys you'd like to think and So yeah it was. It was really cool. My mom was the first person she sent me. A screen shot of the first for summer shares and it was pretty cool seeing my name and those. I wish it happened more. Well let let me throw these names at you. Then to Ken I went back and looked through the previous runnings of the Fred w hooper and it's a it's a pretty historic race. Really you go back. And you see names like woody Stevens who wanted a couple of times frankie brothers. Yeah Bill Maher Carl Nascar Nick Zito when it three times todd pletcher and now Kent swayze. How cool is that? It's got a good ring to it. It's kind of like wait. WH- which of these doesn't fit quite yet. Right does not but but hey there in the hall of fame maybe one they were talking about. Ken swayze there to. Hey why not right. I wonder if that race was always run at that distance. If they switch it around it's been changed around. Yeah it's been changed around. Of course it was at Calder For some time and now we call. They're no longer racing. They're back over and Gulfstream with this race but You know it's such a cool thing to have your name next to those legends isn't it definitely is very lucky. Yeah wh when you went out on your own was a two thousand seven I guess or two thousand seventeen. Yeah Yeah we went out on your own wit. What were some of the things that you said okay? This is what I want to accomplish in the first few years of of training on my now I wanted to be able to have a business that runs that we have employees and the employees get paid on time and on we trained for people that are GONNA pay us that that they run with dignity and and they're you know we try to keep a real clean Chevron clean record and I think if we look it up looking looking back if I could have said that I'm where I would imagine that I was. I've got forty something right now like I do I I think it It's great but at the same time we worked really hard and we have four or five and when we had ten twelve we work just as hard and we work probably even harder. It's definitely harder on me than it was when we had five or six That that it was pretty easy. You know you didn't you didn't have if you only have five or six. You don't have many horses that are either so you don't have any better. That might need to work on their seats or different things. Different Horses Matinees when you only have a small sample. You don't get to see as much as we would have when I was working for Jimmy. You're at things pop up every day. I mean you got to eat. They might tie up for maybe one one racking up in the game so we need to be reshad. There's always something in a bigger bar and that you have to stay on top of it so luckily we've got really good guys. I got a real good former assistant. It helped me with all that and they can help me manage it. You have to delegate a little bit or else You Miss Him. It is more important things and To it all just depends on who you you've got working for you and now you're lucky to have a good good creek. Yeah you mentioned some prominent names in the training ranks Christoph Clermont Jimmy Jerkins Owen. Harty all people you had the privileged to work with and be around absorb their knowledge before you went out on your own so you learned a lot of lessons working with them. But what's the most important lesson that you've learned learned since being out as cats. Easy communication probably Sources that they're they're all have four legs their eh their horses. It's taking care of livestock. You know and in that regard and making sure that they can be like coaching. Maybe you you have after a certain players along differently than you might you know John Calipari. I'm a Kentucky Fan. He can drill on those players. Man They can take an abuse. But but that's the other guys that don't make the program they might not have been able to put up with that. It's similar to horse framing. I think in some two year olds and they just walk right on. You know you never have to never never kinda hair. They don't options that. Don't go backwards on you. Stay in the job and then you get horses that you just kind of Morong Ryan they kind of fall apart on yourself. It It it's important that it just like a basketball coach. What players do you need to hold onto and start? When they're junior you know? Get him a little bit of planning time early. But starting when they're in junior and you've got these these these teams that are just brakes reeks and I haven't had one yet. I love one came along but when that just does everything and works bullets and comes back enough flow and all the things you wanna see. A Horse looks looks right way and things like that. So I think that's Hopefully they can get their hands on a couple of them down the road but Yeah they're all different. I think that's probably the most important lesson was assists that let every horse tell you what they're gonNa do and and keep keep. Keep the bar in the barn and tried to give me. I always said I was big on not talking to clients while he's training signing because he put so much into it mentally and Jimmy is a little bit the same way. Like that's the worst is always come first and he talked to us in the afternoon. You know. That's that's a good. That's kind of a good lesson as long as you keep in contact with these people they You know they're not gonNA call you out of out of out of out of sorts different times you know and I trained to really the people that that that no one would know how hard work I mean. They've been to the Board at seven thirty in the morning. They know they know we're in. We're in full full steam ahead at seven thirty in the morning. Lassen I need to do is. Let's be sitting down talking to somebody about you. Know One of the worst thing we can talk later. Let's focus on what's important right now and We try to do that a little bit. And I think it's communicated indicated he'd be important thing I would say the most important lesson that we've learned we. What do you think you? You've done the best with so far. Can't the the one thing that you could hang your hat on. Say You know what as an organization as an operation as a business. We do this really well and we go back. I think communication's really important as we do we do that quite a bit but I think that's that's that's we're streaming. You know you're going to get that and it's it's what you do with it from there so To you know to hang your hat on. I think we're we. We trained to really really really good people like I just need like my pals. I've got people that drink my buddies but are also trained for some really. They're they're businessmen they business women's Their head of companies they they run firms and things like that. So you you. It's it's kind of a feather in our cap that These people that deal with very well educated and intelligent people on a daily basis that they have the face to give us some were system trends Start We don't have. I got a couple of working for a lot of people. I've got two or three horses decides smack and I'm involved a bit of horses Nick. We've got up. Got A quarter of maybe ten of them and we just you know with those who are kind of the players. Maybe some some more things that we buy as yearling so yeah. We did a lot of sending horses to different states for the State Red Programs Jersey during the program for us. This huge Then you got you got you Delaware certify. They're Jimmy Brad just bonus after bonus on good money good purses so it Diversifies a little bit. You know I think I think you're still a couple of years going. It's been really really good and we've been lucky and there's always going to be things that you look back Khan and you say you know this is something that maybe we could done a little differently or along those lines so when you think back to the past three years what might be the one one thing that you say you know if I could rewind the clock and go back and do this differently. This'll be one thing I'd like to do differently. Probably not mistaken they can go into Kentucky and made a mistake in Kentucky was where I wanted to be needed to be selfish on my part because I wanted to be home. I I wanted to training Kentucky okay. I thought that was that was where I was going to be and So I went back there for the first year. I don't think it was a mistake. I think we could've gone elsewhere. Gotten foot in the door someplace. A little bit sooner I'm I'm glad the newest trying to get into New York. That would have been over my way of them. I you know I didn't have the worst Kentucky. Ah there'd be no way I would have been able to get on north and figure today in New York and it doesn't make sense right now. I love moment on really treated as well So the broaden the places that we were on when you're in Kentucky pigeonholed anything Indiana Kentucky and maybe Chicago and we've got it got sick six condition books destined we get back to Mama you know staying on top of it and entries every day logistics. You know the guys interests you guys are sterile hill like grand motion for example those guys and they when they run worst dance attacking trump every time they go to. You know a lot of people that aren't they underestimate. Made how much work goes into to the coordination of getting worse from Fair Hill to say Belmont. You know the van driver who's GonNa stop. How's it going to groom this and that so That's got some death the challenge we need when we're at the moment We try to obviously focus on running at monmouth or something doesn't come up. It's nice not option. You know yeah you know. People don't realize I and I hope that listening to this program over the last eight years or so people start to get a sense of what trainers go through. Not just seeing them in the afternoon saddling their horses and celebrating in the winter circle but there is so much that goes on behind the scenes that has to go right to make you successful isn't there can't Oh yeah for sure. And that's just that's not including the disappointments where they say hall of fame trainer leases eighty percent of the time. I mean if I run ten number getting my car and be upset. Eight eight ten dollars. I'm semi I didn't run you know. And that's a that's a weird things. Do Not many people have a job. That has so much disappointment bonded. Because you just can't win every risk install machines animals so you you know you Get down on your luck a little bit this and that and I think all it takes is one one good weekend one good afternoon noon or a good ride even if you get a real good ride sometimes that's all it takes to to Kind of kick kids kicking the button and get you going again a few weeks ago. Yeah it is you you know. It's tough a lot. A lot goes into it and owners too. I think that's why people nowadays having Like sort of stable secretaries or stable assistant office. Whatever they call all of you know there's lots of people that do that and that keeps people in the loop you know? I my lips my iphone to next to me and I I. I'm pretty good about calling on all the time. It just touching base but I hope I hope I have that problem of needing somebody like got maybe syndicates. Maybe and when you do that impossible to talk to fifty guys about one horse when you can have set out the video these guys that do send it gets an hour great man. They're on the ball. GOT FRIEND COMES TO SELL ON A horse or they've got one in the big race that they promote it. You know that you got forty people ONA worth. Everybody brings a friend I mean. That's that's probably people that come to the race awesome nowadays. You've got real good opportunities to sell the stairs and can sweet mama has a good sweet program fair and going gold same as well. So it's fun. Favors go to racist rushing things out something something to report. Yes one of the great things about this game that you can share it with your friends and you can be there with them when these special moments happened like you talked about earlier when Fatman won the Fred Hooper this weekend. You had a whole bunch of people with you. It's cool to celebrate like that. Isn't it people that make a Lotta money that it real successful in business. I wonder how often they get the high five somebody load and and really really mean it like give them a real hard by either up there. You know they they can make money deal they can sell this or sell that but I think Like do gay men hanging the full of people so it was. It was a lot of fun for us. And like I said these guys that are in the source of my buddies all of them there might they might they might cream and and It was it was really really fun to win for them. Maybe maybe you know I've got people that don't come racist often or they you know you've got three or four in the business and this and that Brad on that when you get people like this who didn't know each other two hours before and they're hugging exchanging numbers and Dan Group tax go and it was it was it was great so I I think that's one of the things that a lot of people. Miss out on racing is probably Wadsworth so good luck when you guys you put together. And they have fun individually. They're nothing. But together unstoppable so it's It's really really cool. I hope that teacher I was. That's what that's what we're looking forward to. We work really really hard for it and like I said probably getting your car be disappointed is tough enough and at least one lose or draw people can die about lead you bring that up too because a few weeks ago trainer Scott Acker was on the program when me and I asked him if he could spend the day with one trainer and learned from that trainer for one day who would be and he said D Wayne Lukas and I followed that up and said will what question. What one question would you wanna ask Wayne if you could only ask him one and he paused for a second and he said how do you deal with the losing? How do you deal in losing eighty percent like you just mentioned And I thought that was a really interesting racing takes all ask you. How do you deal with the losing cat? I think it's it's it's not. It's not as much it's me for sure I'm we're we're we're used to living in to true to a certain extent you know we're we're almost expected to lose because there's ten in the race and not everybody can win so the odds against you start with but what about coming back to the barn. These guys is have their heads down. I ate that you know they. They walk around. They've worked really hard isis source every day. He's real paying the bus train and this and that bites or you know and they they put so much into it and come back and they. They're just exhausted. They worked hard at the worst run. Very good at this is supporting but if I can leave them a little bit and shown it the or or oh. That was a bad ride. We'll get him next time. Something Simpler that I think keeps everybody's spirits up and equally When you do win a race that you don't just passing out on the backer shake his hand you gotta put it all into it man you know and if you act like it means nothing then it means nothing then too so I think equally when you lose the race you've gotta come back and pump and back up a little bit worse to you? Know I think to a certain extent is deep and you know he got one that ran their eyeballs out. You know they've got certain their face and they've lost shoe and they're down in the dumps too so that's one thing Jimmy always said was. Don't don't the horse no anything's going on before a big race to try to keep them quiet. Don't show any kind of herbs around him and horses can feed off that and I think he's right is right and The guys are the same way I think is important to keep their spirits out very quickly you can get into a slump and I think we talked about the other day with somebody about you. Know you've gotta it keep keeps showing up to the races keep keep you know talking to people and even when you get down a little bit you gotta you gotta going to work. The next day people still paying you to take occurred worshipers so you better get your work visiting with trainer Kent Swayze here on trainer talk presented by Phasing Tipton. We're going to get to a short commercial break. We'll come back with the second that can after the show we'll talk. We'll talk to Ken about his time with Owen. Hardy his time with Jimmy Jerkins increased Oxfam learning from those legends. And what he's applying to his business. Now it's making him so successful. They would me. As trainer talk. Presented by phase of the Basic Tipping Gulfstream sale is hotter than ever the nation's premier two year olds in training sales now accepting nominations for the two thousand twenty sale in two thousand nineteen. 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The one thirty five and four put a phone call by P Diallo that was last week at Gulfstream Park. The Grade Three Fred. W Hooper going to the fat man or Fatman is actually his name and he defeats everybody else and he gives trainer Kent Swayze who is my special guest on trainer talk his first. I graded stakes. Victory a huge huge afternoon. You heard about that in the first half of the program. We'll continue this conversation with Kent right after I do. Welcome everybody back to the program and remind you that if you missed any portion of this show simply head back over to our website. That's horse racing. Radio DOT net. You can listen to this show and all of our trainer talk shows. They are listed for you in order. Flip back through and hear the stories of so many the top trainers in the sport today. They are fascinating as this visit has been with Kent swayze. Can't you know you hear that race call. I don't know if you've had a chance to go back. I'm sure you've watched the replay but you hear it on radio now. We'll what goes through your mind when you hear that. Call when they said you can't run a fat man I love is the best of it. Wasn't he says if he makes races every race I people always say he makes a maiden cheap made Nicole Wallstrom equally as exciting as the greatest thing. I think that's very good to be true. You when you were with Jimmy. JERKINS and Owen. Hardy increased off. You had the privilege to be around some really really top notch choices. Names like Shaman. Ghost I in Phoenix and wicked strong the day. All those horses come to mind immediately had been around good horses when you were an assistant. Has that helped you now. That you transition transition into doing this on your own. Yeah I think so. I think we talked to you. Maybe last year a couple of years back it was the same kind of thing you know. You just get a chance to no. Maybe maybe what not to do. What how to how to handle yourself how to What to do when you do a good? I did the difference. Is that a lot of the bigger stables. Now have so many courses that That that number one. They would appreciate that they have. Yeah what they've got because how hard it is to get a good horse from. They might not appreciate it But again that that I had to start work for Jimmy. We had good horses so the Horse for example example had a little minor injuries. Jenny was very quick to stop on it. And turn it out and Give it time and let it come back around the time when we're when we're playing the game of acclaiming game I I'm seeing things and and and and different qualities verses that I might not have seen before and so the first couple of years you know I'd I bet when we started I I probably Stopped on horses or for turned away. Because I couldn't fix them or I didn't know I what I what what I learned wasn't working on these sources because they're just different different styles training those horses. Yeah they don't need claiming voices they don't maybe need the the the miles underneath them. Maybe A A A to turn dirt does so I learned pretty quickly kind of the sink or swim model of Of how to how to how to take caroline and and how to how to get him back to the races what keeps them happy but the bottom line is about keeping a happy. It's the same thing goes for for good horse. You look at Fatman. I don't know what we did without man to. They can so much better but he's much better. You Know I. I don't know what it is. But maybe he's happy and maybe he likes the Green. We're going ice every day or like whatever you know the Shoe Job Scott and so that that same theory applies jeep overseas to you. Know you just gotta get happy. Maybe they'll run harder for you whether you use the push on harder or you back off on some everybody as a little bit differently some Some person saying might work on the worst and others might not and Makes you think how many horses were out there but it got messed up before they got somebody hands you know and you know it just makes you think but I think about keeping the horses happy and bill even if they're tiny. I'd rather have a horse going into a race. They weren't happy healthy. And maybe maybe lack of Piney Beta in a fitness then do have over train on him and they've got a tiny bit of hesitation about wanting to weigh it online. At least you know if the worst is good enough and it's in the right spot if attacked the it should run real good. If they're not doing great or they're they're they didn't eat up so you can run him in whatever you want to go you know yeah other than Christoph Owen Jimmy who are some of the other trainers or are there other trainers that have had an impact and an influence on your career. Yeah definitely my stepmother when I was a kid and I didn't think she always I don't even remember. She's I used to set up to go through each taped up but the electrolytes and and this and this medicine lists medicine I GROWING UP ON THE FARM I. I learned a lot of a lot of important lessons. It's about horsemanship. Not so much about training. When I got to the race track I would have never settled at the racers? There was equipment sources that I'd never seen before and and It it it took me a long time to to be comfortable to and not being a rider myself probably Limited in my building my knowledge knowledgeable of different equipment and things people to grab your Pony Club and the riddance and say rookie. Ed Maroshek here too but we just get on went Rodney on the field and but we you know so people that ride versus. They might be familiar with why this bit works why this piece of equipment works and Luckily enough I working for food. Christoph to you start. He had some of the best. Writers had a lot of European writers. Come over and and You the Europeans are very good horseman on the whole so I learned a lot from their riders. And I and asking questions and I'm sure I I'm sure I'm pissed them off and drove him crazy all the questions about what's this do. What does this do you do that? You know you hate you hate. That kid can't ask all these questions but I think I picked up on a lot and then working for Jimmy has when when when you think you know equipment go walk into Jimmy Jerkins Akram. You'll see some stuff you've never overseen before and stuff that came from his dad and his dad used and churches I I I. I didn't catch it as one personal. I learned from more than another are you. I'm doing all I stay here at the gap and and watch all all morning long and Anyway I think I know some of the worst is better the other and I said well. That's good see imperial Louis. Carbohydrates job with him. I watch him train all year. Last couple years. I've watched Jim Carrey maximum security at that moment was so cool to watch Jason Service Work His magic on that horse that horse was he everything against against them and to go in and just he's just what a what a war horse. What a cool horse he lays number one? I like that a speed horse that carries it. That's that's not so I watch him train a lot everybody's different you know. There's love one trainer that drains just like another. That's I think that's pretty cool because you know one thing thing might work for one. That doesn't work their next. If you're paying attention and use what you've been trying to think you've got a good shot. Yeah so with all of those trainers and all of those different ideas ideas and ideologies kinda mix together to create a recipe. That's worked for Kent swayze. How do you describe your training philosophy in your approach to training racehorses? I'd say a lot like jerk. You have set. Let's picks up the dribble. I'm set with the board without some office all the worst of names and they're put on magnets so I can switch the magnets around the riders. Riders what sex they go in and and If you walk in the morning you you wouldn't know what horses GonNa do. What and because everything is gonNA determine on how you you know if the tax like what time of day it is what they're gonNa do you know if they're gonNA go out and they're going to have a nice strong out there bouncing around the bar after after a couple of days is an easy day? So we're going to give you a nice song today and knowing WanNa horses in a race you're gonNA change what you're GonNa do and by the distance supposed position how they asked him about it and if you need to train him today the race or you need to walk them or if you're you know you need to put cotton in their ears or not. There's so many different things that go into it that If somebody's not here to to to do that to make those decisions it turns into a factory. Although I hope that's why people don't have because it's a vector or if they think active with personalized and in treating every horse like the individual and then I don't know we take our time with a lot of the younger horses you know I We didn't we didn't we didn't win many races. The a two year olds this year because they all stuck around and then there we'd eased into it and they're all back again for their three-year-old year. Instead of just thinking well too bad I got her well. I was going to get hurt. That's that's that's part of being an athlete. You know I've sprained ankles broken off stuff too so it It if you can whatever you can mistakes. I think it's probably the the most important thing. Try to just when you think you would think he thinks I'm paying your and you got tells you to do something stick with it and one thing Jimmy always said was you got something to think real hard about. Just go for go. Sit By yourself and just kind of Wade get out. Just take a deep breath and and a lot of lots of what we do and I think Hopefully I'd say the harder you work luck here. You get type of things so try not to worry but I am kind of a worrier. Are you really stress. Somebody else with. Are you really worry. A lot about the constantly about the horses and the people and all that kind of stuff. Yeah what do you what what. What are they to Geeta up on Friday afternoon and leave some feed on Saturday the morning because there didn't need the school or he didn't need the gallant? But I got because it was a it was fabulous his day. We're having a horse out there. That's what he needs. I mean I I make those decisions ultimately. I think we're the on the on the last Sunday I last decision I guess and I don't know I think that's what Winston basis for us. He's doing things that other people might not do and try to. Maybe try to out. Think the worst and keeping them happy and you know. Oh I think getting here Saturday afternoon helps a lot and you get to see him more. You get to get you pay more and you can pick up on things that you wouldn't if they're just sitting saw all but You know talking to you. Rodriguez is really important. You know that's something that plays a lot and then what we do is getting too strong. Shirk ed we'll either gonNA edrich Whitman or changed the router. It's hurt your feelings. We're just it's it's just trying to be on the same team here. If you're playing with Lebron James you're not gonNA average twenty four tonight I'm sorry but but you're GonNa win championships and I think that's what I hope to go in the end is that we're on the same team that we're together. And if the barn succeed senator employees and the owners due to being a Kentucky Kid Ken how important in and impactful would it be for you to win the Kentucky Derby. That's something that's always on your mind. Nine yeah of course. The two year olds are cool to get in because you start to get a little bit and The three year old that just three and Iran second nice made into pretty decent over some. You know the first thing you think is. What's where's he going to be in a couple of months to develop the right right way and he is he going to just tell you just break made and it's not there they committed like get worse and then they got something to dream about a little bit but again this stuff what? It's all about hobbies. Obvious people bought Fatmir wants to dream a little bit of to even bounce ideas around and say man be cool to do this and I sure would be nice if if he can take a someplace cool and nobody ever. It's like Harry Potter. You'd sit named nobody says you know you never say Derby. You're you're sure you're sure but you can never say I I don't know we don't have. I don't have the soccer this year to go anywhere close to them. You know it makes me feel important because it can come from anywhere you know you. Can you see every single year courses are sold at auction chancellor myself or other trainers we've seen sources that there must have been under better on every winter so you know what. How does it feel that? They couldn't again five thousand and gotten very little back onto case. I bet you know that. That's what everybody thinks about. And it's the ultimate goal. I guess we'll see we'll see. I got a lot of a lot of maidens break and some allowance the way we wouldn't turn one down knocked on the door and that's a great point talking trainer. Kent swayze here on trainer talk presented by Phasing Tipton on the Horse Racing Radio Network. Don't forget if you miss any of the show head over to our website horse racing radio dot net check out the podcast and follow us on social media at H. R. N.. Twitter horse racing using radio network on facebook and instagram. Can't you spent time before you went out with your training career. You spent time working at Darby. Dan Farm where Your Dad served served the manager for many many years spent time with your parents timber-town stable when they launched that business and then he eventually went out on your own. What led to the decision decision to leave the farm life behind and say hey I want to move to the race track and train horses? Well the the immediate answers pissed off come on I mean. He came to the farm in one day and ask them all and just hang around here and work on the farm. So Stepmother Kathy and always raved. About how much fun. They used database. And as a kid you know. She's wants to the surface track or how nice it is. It tastes and it was always just hamels. Fund pasted one place to go for the winter and it got cold replacing Beach Tali Ball. You meet some people. It'll be fun for a couple of months so I did. It and I did that for three months for Christopher that sitting down six months for the winter and then It was kind of the point. Where do I go back to the farmer? Go back to New York with KRISTOFF. I said well another major dam probably too much fun and and I'm in a lot of clinical people and that's one thing about the race track you how many how many were stabled in one area a time you know so you got all these different people assistance or forms of line is there's people around the track that you know. It's it's a little bit of a racetrack family. It's a big racetrack family. What it is I mean? We can't say how many how many holidays with the people that I've got no relation to you know and that's racetrack for up to mound but Duck were definitely was what got me started was going to pay just awesome. Some good horses got your Gio Ponti and you know I took care of it that in my little small quadrant and the bar that I was the foaming to we wants to racist out of it. I couldn't even tell you what I didn't even know how to look a horse up then I couldn't tell you how to get on base. I just showed up every day and worked hard and I think that was probably the coolest thing was to not the other way but it was nice to see our horse. Jared journeyman from office and it was it was really cool crystal. Works hard to you know. And it's nice to see you know you have office some but That was gonNA got me started. And then when I left Chris I knew I needed to go someplace license. Keep doing the race track thing that was. That was my thing I at that point. I said well I WANNA try this train and horse business so sure enough. Went to work for windchill couple of years and that was good out in California because I got to meet those guys and see what racy in southern California was like and it was fantastic and But again if I wanted to train on my own I knew I had a better opportunity on the east coast because I am so. That was the idea of all rest. Jimmy was to go back home and you know always GonNa try to try to keep landing and try to Churchill and be able to you know. Have you can stay there for quite a bit longer than we leave. You GotTa leave pretty early in the left New York Italy because the weather the weather made pushy out. So getting down there and Kentucky say for almost an extra month and maybe come back and extra month early so that made that made the in those things to me to try to maybe have a family and do all that jazz but didn't work out that way but we're For sure when you were Darby Dan and did John Phillips ever let you hold the world series trophy. I'd say someone dropped it. We the I remember walking through there. And I've been very close with John Phillips for a long time and He was the first one saying the winter circle dossier and the other day they give give me a big hug and I E the exporter unhappy to learn all those lessons at Darby Dan under him. You know I learned so much from him in office from talking about pedigrees his racehorses and not to mention there are good people and good people working there so it was It was I got or an alternate the the basic lessons. My Dad taught me today. One that have just about the horse how to lead. Learn how to take care of it. It's not rocket science. It's just keep the same thing over and over again so good experience. I remember meeting John for the first time back in the mid to late nineties when I was working thoroughbred times one of my first jobs in the business and had a chance to go out to Darby. Dan and he quickly found out that I was a big Pittsburgh steelers fan. So when he had a chance to show me the Pittsburgh Parrots World Series trophy out there it was It was quite a thrill it was pretty cool. Yeah big time big time. Yeah you mentioned working with Owen Hardy thirty on the west coast for a time. Is there difference in training horses out West as opposed to doing something different with them back. Easter is there. Are there some philosophical differences. I think that speed is such a major factor out there. At least it wasn't we were out there You know but then again like those couple for years out there with I'll have another one. Derby telephone occur it was American fare. Then justify it just seems like that that some of the best sources going West But you wonder about the rest of the population you know you wonder how the smaller mid middle level claimer do out there and there are enough forces to keep that keep it going orange. Apparently it has long things they get up there and over. This doesn't doesn't fault a long long time. it's a great place to live. You know you can actually stay in. You can raise a family and I think that plays a lot into the people you can have working for you because yes grooms that can live outside and have lives and their kids go to schools and Mexican that that type of thing and we're moving around this like Gypsies someplace for six months and the backup leaving again so that was a huge part huge advantage of California while I I saw those guys that that Their life did not revolve around burned. Twenty seven I. It was a family and their life and they could go six sneaks delmarva come right back and I think that That's one thing that we wish we have More of on the east coast is a better chance of staying in one place. But we're working on. Yeah Yeah you know you're young guy you're what what did I say thirty four. I guess right and racing always talks about appealing to the younger demographic. Can you're there How what can racing do when you look at racing when you talk to people in your travels all over the country and you talk to people to come to the racist? What are some things that you see that could be done to kind of appeal to a younger group and get people interested in the sport I think I'm on. I'm on twitter. I liked I liked being on twitter. Twitter is my news source In a lot of ways and you see you know people talk about what things can fix. And this and that I think overall it's is probably trying to get negativity just to work together. It would be a main thing but the simple things like I mean. I don't know how much it costs to a program but you know if you if you cut the program down to the information information that people actually need or or you give something away whether it's free parking program. I mean hats t shirts but you know you're getting the people out the average fan to be able to afford most people come to the races. You have different reasons why they come. Maybe they're a gambler or they love horses or they just WanNa come out and see the majesty just the of it or or they think the sport sport it is fun. You know how many people can afford to to OWNER NASCAR or to to be a football team you know so to be able the owner. Of course you can do that for not much money you know. I'm not that not not. This is cheap but it took it sound for a lot of people that do they go in at such a level that they're already disadvantaged advantage owner standpoint. You know if I have a new owner coming to say and it's fun playing something when you were raised and then then see if you like it if you have fun and bring your friends and your family and then then actually money in your pocket to go by by a yearling but from a from a better stamp I think you gotta you gotTa have You know we talking today. About about Wang Doors Gulfstream I knew fatman he gained something like twenty nine pounds from the Harland holiday to the front hooper and I breathed and really hard art three really good breezes and a game he gained way coming out of it so it was that to me is like is the most important thing of course is how their weight and other or health is and if you can if you could give the information and it cost basically nothing and that's a huge thing. I knew right away how good I think he's doing good in my mind but I couldn't tell how much in this way and now he's you know exactly that but that to me is about as important as knowing if how they're gonNA run on life and things like that the teachers interest probably Running on their lasix but how did the worst is coming out of the Pegasus go did they did. They Bleed Pegasus 'cause if they go rent in Saudi Arabia. Well I'd like to know ah them or now you know they run into are they gonNA if they are. They're going to need the weeks. Also and I think that's the transparency thing that a lot of people are hesitant to to give out the bottom line. Is You know your sports. And you've got so much information on betting football that you've got the spending the percentages and this and the holders under all that that stuff the matchup school then. Let's get these guys if they're a fair chance to you know if if you're going to go one hundred bucks that something that I've got a lot of information on something that I only have a small little piece you know. Some people spend less money and all of that and more. Are there like that in sports. You know but I know a lot more about it. Because I'm informed informed people. They're better decision. I think. Then you bring up the lasix thing and that's GonNa be a hot button has been hot button topic. It will continue to be for many many months. Where do you fall on? On that argument. We have a lot of two year. Olds don't run away six A lot of it has to do with how hard they're pushed early. And when you have a Alexei the percentages of forces that lead that the sale or what have been raised differently. Or or if they're if they're treated differently pre free race laws That's all important moving forward and knowing what we're doing with the cat maybe you say graded stakes races. We'll have lasix one day. I don't know if that's the case then there'd be a lot worse right now can't compete but Yadda stallion like run happy. who advertise medication tree? Well he's GonNa stand million bucks here soon if if that's the case if he's the only one out there that can rental negation which I'm sure he's not but he's the only one that we've seen in a long time advertise without medication Then then he his book should be should be full ten times over because the rest of these verses that are out here and they need the medication because physically there unsound or they're they've been they've they've been bred that they're going to be but I think if that's the future then we need to start planning accordingly with the way that they've read. I suppose You you know if I'm reading the Mayor Right now and I'm thinking down the road. Will I wish I had information to know what stallions did. And what I you know if I want to read a tear force I can look pedigree on of course. It's a dirt. I'm not there for us to vote for careful if I have a bleacher to a leader well you know it's not rocket science so if I think you know horses they're going to become more valuable so much more valuable if you have a graded stakes winning there. That didn't run on lasix and rental no medication. It was hard knocking Philly. You know those are the ones that are. I'M GONNA WANNA breathe at us and I think that might be the future but in the short term and we probably have to running it and I think it goes just the first time scattered to get lasix. Well when did it. I lied lied now. Are you providing in or are you For many because you know that that building the path so it all depends and I think the harder you push on them. They'd be the more they're going to believe. You know if you have a horse and getting worse off when you're when first time but how are you gonna come back kind of race. You'RE GONNA take two weeks ago because you got dumped a bunch lasix. Reid did the next time we ran back in three weeks. I'm probably going to be a couple of lanes closer and the third time we run. I'm probably going to beat you because you've been knocked out and I've been able to bounce back like nothing. It's amazing how much better horses down realistic already taught me. That one would think Galkin and the nurses they they wanted to track things they were. They were thinking about this ten years ago. These guys are just starting to think about you. Know saw all we used to weigh on every time before NASCAR race before and after work on basically what it does. I one time I think she lost I. I WanNa say it was like seventy five pounds right you know and that's a model. Wait for thirty gas PHILLY. WHO's already probably a little finicky eater this and that you know that the inox yeah yeah interesting stuff can't Souissi here on trainer presented by phase at Tipton can't We have about a minute left here in the program so we're going to have to go ahead and wrap it up. I want to let people know that they can follow you on social media at Swayze K.. Is your twitter handle. That's S. W. E. Z.. Z. E. Y. K.. The way to keep in touch with you and if they want to send you some horses. I know you'll be happy to have do that too. But listen really appreciate the visit. It's been great to hear your story. We could spend another hour easy but got to wrap it up so I appreciate it here. Can't thanks so much. Thanks anytime anytime. Good talking yeah. Yeah all the best moving forward to get Souissi here. On trainer talk presented by phasing. Tipton really really smart trainer passionate trainer and One of those does new up and coming if you want to look at him like that. 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Part 3: Seth Merrow, Gus Alonzo

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Part 3: Seth Merrow, Gus Alonzo

"Good morning it was quite a weekend. My colleague from marketing was sitting with and this weekend. We had a little fun he was. He sat in because Branches are closed now and So he said and then we kind. During the weekend did some tutorials folks could sign up if they may be one familiar with the online side of capitol. Oh Tb but all of that said. After the weekend I am on hiatus until further notice so Brian Dino or down man in the station and keeping things going with the limited product but unfortunately I won't be on for the foreseeable future but I am. I am now going to use this opportunity to fire up the twitter feed and get into that side of things a little more. Oh this well this is a this is going to be of just a rare treat for for for the public. I mean racing horsey twitter about the better brace for what what what could be just a seismic shift. This this is a this is something. I'm looking to break twitter. I'm looking to do a Kardashian. I can't imagine what that might entail coming from you but I don't even want to think about it Are there any? Do you have any? Is there any audio of you and Taylor Swift? That that you might drop that that would that might create a stir. Well people have to stay tuned. Yeah that was quite the That was GONNA take this this Internet got. You do have to appreciate. Actually I mean it. I think it was Andy. Andy has said in writing and he also said yesterday on Air. You know this kind of situation is going to bring out the best in the worst in people but It also the humor. Thank God because there are. There are things that are so funny That you really lift the spirits and you know it depends on what kind of what kind of humor you seek. But I I've been very impressed and I you know I think all of us are kind of thumbing through this stuff constantly and looking for any any distraction and I've I've found myself amused. Thank goodness more often than you know than I've been disheartened. Let's put it that way. Yeah hopefully social media during this time as more positive the negative but being the nature of Social Media. I maybe asking too much. But you're right. You read some of the things on social media and you realize the average joes are are just as funny as paid. Comedians. A lot of times I mean they say you sit back and think oh that guy just nailed it. It is Kinda funny I followed and there's been I don't even know what triggered it but in the last I would say even before this started i. I don't know what triggered it but I found. I found a young woman who's WHO's either a stand up comedian or I think she's a writer. I think she's a comedy writer in Hollywood and I stumbled across something at that and I can't remember now what it was and I and I'd have to go look through my list and and finder so smart and funny and clever on a regular basis and then by virtue of her have found like another six and they're they're they're all young writers and You know some have more of a you know a serious journalist. The van than others but I I've been endlessly amused and I want to thank all of you that You know that are out there Trying to lighten everybody's mode because it It certainly I will say for lack of a better word here hammer before. It was kind of point saying Ben full time. I'm getting home to the family. They they say kind of pointed segment. I don't think it was meant to be. And maybe that's not the right word but it just it kind of struck me Good for him. Getting home and Once you get back home and see the family so and I think that's I don't think he's alone. No no and What's the status of vast last week? The the extended Moreau clan safe. Everybody okay yeah at this point You know my sister Donna. Arkansas's out in the woods And her one of her sons and grandkids are down at Fayetteville And and I think it was yesterday One of the grandkids thirteen year old birthday. So it's kind of a big birthday. But they're they're they're doing the same kind of social distancing and you can't get an crowds that that doing everywhere else and so I I haven't seen the video yet but as I understand it. Twenty five cars of friends drove by with banners and and Raucous waving out the car window so people are kind of changing things up. Now I have another couple of nephews out in La so the latest. I heard they're doing fine too. But things are really on the lockdown out there so Just kind of trying to keep in touch and keep up with what they're doing so far so good for for everybody for the most part. What what are they gonNA do about your nephew for his Bar Mitzvah? I that's a good question. Yeah I think it'll be okay The the the fact that that you talk about California being you know locked down but yet here we are running Santa Anita running golden gate of Oaklawn is going to soldier on and talked to Chris Cadillac earlier about Farner and of course also at at will rogers. So we've got six six seven venues eight venues when you're or more when you add in the quarter horse tracks Los Allen Remington I are you as surprised as I am. I I'm I'm marveling at at how this is being pulled off. I thought by the end the last weekend the way things were looking just in society at large the probably horse racing was was on borrowed time and I thought by the end of last weekend things would would kind a button up. I I have mixed feelings but overall I kind of applaud the tracks for keeping going In the keep it keeps people at my my feeling on this not to be an doomsayer but I think that the economic fallout may wind up being worse than the the disease itself. If I'm neither an epidemiologist nor statistician nor an economist but I I've been reading a lot over the past couple of weeks and and so I just think you know with with a wide swath of people out of work and don't forget there there's no sales tax or much less sales tax. There will be much less personal income tax and so we look the government to Kinda pass through. But they're gonNA start looking to two situations where they're not going to have enough money so if if there's a business out there to Kinda can safely keep going. I have to kind of look at that as a good thing. I as I say mixed thoughts about it but at this point and I know as I say I was in doing. Tv This past weekend and we had some Some e mails and we had some text messages. That people really appreciated that. We were still still out there doing it in the trash. Because it provided a distraction. I mean if you're at home all day long I said last week it only binge nets look so much and you can only and I would advise eat will limit the time you watch the the news networks because that can start to get depressing but horse racing offered people opportunities Little Entertainment. A little distraction. We tried to last week and give them a few laughs. Too But You know it's I. I'm with you at last weekend. I thought it's going to be tough for some of these venues to keep pushing through but they've managed take a minute and ask you the question of the week. The came up yesterday. I had Jeremy and we talked about night school and the tremendous resource that the treasure trove of audio files offers for people that want to learn about horseplay and all the different arenas that that we covered over the years on night school. And you were. You were a guest more than once and give everybody seth your recommendations in terms of getting an introduction because we hear that and I could ask you. Maybe you've discussed this last week with John Singer. When he said he was going to be on our sign ups up at at capital. Not Be as well. Yeah I mean again. We're the branches had to close because of the the order from the governor last weekend but Like mostly the w still online and and Cutters touchtone option as well a capital TV and in fact some of the easy bets which are restaurants that are open for takeout. Some of those easy bets are still open. I can't sit there all day. But you can go in and on your account or you could pri bet the day if you WANNA to self service machine so there are options available including online so you have a sign up still available If you went to capitol Oh TB. There's join now Lincoln. It's pretty easy and self explanatory how to go through so that option is still open to people. We were Kinda with trying to walk people through our last weekend because that became the option certainly a lot of people who tend to go to the branch and kind of sit there with their buddies and whatnot. Now they're probably watching the television show and so These options become kind of the only ones for them so as I say. We were walking people through yet. Absolutely people can take this chance to now. Do things like going to The Night School Course Glare now dot Com and picking up on some of those archives. Because those are those are great resources Jeremy and you and all the guests who Jumped on did a great job on a variety of subjects covering a lot of things. And you have the the library. I'm not as much of a racing book book guy just because I couldn't they quirky way. I don't like change the way I handicap necessarily get too caught up into reading a book and and going in one direction or another but I'm not knocking that people use of their great resources and as they say you have the library that that you have a better idea and at some point maybe have a segment. Where you're you're talking about the books because you can still order from Amazon and and some of the other Online locations and so that would be a great way for people to get into the game and and get deeper into the game and this is the time where you know sitting around reading. The book is not a bad way to spend some time. And so that's also an opportunity and you to I would say this is also an opportunity maybe to catch up on Some of the history of the game. I was at the Pierre. S had a little event man. Maybe a month ago up here on Saratoga. I stopped by and I was talking to some folks. Somebody said WHO's your favorite race source and I said we're ago and they were unfamiliar unfamiliar with Borgo. I said go to Youtube and and pick up some of the races carrying one hundred thirty seven pounds coming on the clouds. And you'll appreciate it so this is a good time to go to YouTube. Maybe type in horse racing it and check out some of that history that you may or may not remember no good suggestion and Andy. For instance is offering daily poll that people are engaging getting a couple thousand votes day and and putting. He's putting up videos like he did. Yesterday was Listed for the four close to travers results from the recent in the recent past last. I mean we've had some crazy close travers including a dead heat That was the closest drivers The I voted for fleet Express because that was a loved him that day and that was a that was a nice pop for with Jimmy Jimmy Jerkins. And of course Jimmy then came back with with the dead heater with the with the my Gosh V. Day right What did he do with the cure? Norsar the two canal. No it was it was mcpeek mcpeek and Karen it was mcpeek and Karen Jim. One of the care of the day was the day was when Jimmy ran one two with. I think right with the wicked strong. You're yeah you're right. That's right that's right. Which was a crazy. Which is of absolute crazy result. That was for Mrs Mrs Bryant speaking in Mrs Brian I'll reach out maybe tomorrow to Bill Gallo and Obviously the start of the state the steeplechase season is on hold and as soon as things loosen up a as it happens You know people could probably spread out Some of the some of the NEAT Steeplechase opportunities but they're waiting and so everything is being canceled as we proceed. But I'll get bill on tomorrow and we'll get an update for for the chasers. But anyway Seth the if you didn't if you didn't read things like like Andy Buyer. How did you build your your handicapping arsenal? I guess it was more of a newspaper Guy. When I first got into the Game Raw Sarah was still handicapping for the Daily News. And that was when you know newspaper handicaps which some you can still catch this type of thing in some venues Be The you know the top three or four picks and then a couple of sentences afterwards that would give you an idea of how they were how they were looking at the race and then there would be newspaper articles. I mean you know back in that day rush Sarasota column. I think every couple of days and thin Finley had a column preachy. Add a column and There were a number of the daily newspapers that regularly had come. I know Mike Beach in the Saratoga and a couple of times a week This this wasn't how he figured out. That world has changed as far as horse racing media. But just reading those kinds of things and learning from that and then I kind of you know use that develop your own kind of angles favorites and and after awhile. You just develop. I think you're on experience That you kind of build on and find out what works for you. And what are the angles? You one of the the types of races you like and then I as I say then I got so deep into it. I was afraid. Read coverage some book and get veer and some direction that may not be helpful. So I've kind of stayed away from it but I'd say that's my weird quirk. I would not recommend people stay away. I think those books are are great source of information and from talking to people and talking to people like you delve into this and people will glean things from most books. I've gotten great information via those people. Hey here's angle at this author talked about not trying to look at it a little more closely. Okay I'll I'll give that a look and it turns out okay now. I can incorporate that a little bit as well so just picking a little bit from here a little bit from their developing my own style over the years. Well Did WE We look at Gulfstream in Tampa Tampa Lake. Tick Four. If you want to look at that. How'd you make out last week? By the way I got the last leg and I was I said go to deep and it was the third horse that in there But it was kind of chalky anyway to be honest. There were a couple of races where I went a little deep looking for something to happen and it didn't they. You know the chalk got it so I've mentioned obviously the all four of them But again I was kind of picking spots him saying I'd I'd stickier stick there and that last graces I say a couple of deep in there on my strategy and it was the horse had a third spot that got it done and I will say today sequenced the last two are very tough but WanNa zip through it absolutely and it's Tay What it's a very I haven't looked at the scratches but this is a very nice sequence eight by ten by ten by Dan Yeah I did catch the scratches. They're very limited in the the fifth rate. Take three I have worked seven six eight Pound Classic On tap and it's Gerald Bennett and Camacho and they've just been so hot during the me In this one on the buyers has You know not not necessarily an edge but I think you combine those numbers with the the the potent team Go in that direction. Second off the claim. I think he's GonNa fit in a good way general patty in the second spot again. The numbers are pretty comparable with the top. Pick over the past. Few races comes up a nice win against maybe a little bit lesser last time but didn't fashion and it was a continuing sequence a good efforts but did enough fashion. That that which that horse Right in the mix and Tino onboard. He's having a great me and in the third spot. My Way Lenny. Up some nice improving numbers now was claimed last time and claimed away from Bennett. So what's that GonNa mean this afternoon but the last one was a nice win against similar an Gerald Bennett also has Sacramento Hugh But I probably I may be You know again. Depending on how deep I am a little bit later I may stick with the top two but probably feel more comfortable using the top three a before and the seven probably had the edge in here so poor. Seven six thousand eight domestic At Tampa today moving onto the six and again these are the last two. Were tough for this. What is As well and six brace maiden specials going around sixteenth on the grass I went six to nine one Christoph brings the first or by intimacy. If I like intimacy you win early as being a win early sire and this one It goes up for combat. Who's also good win early. Guy that they elected come over and try to Tampa company is is notable now did look up the dam and a couple of winners but not necessarily precocious so that on the breeding site was a little bit of a negative. I suppose but this does not appeal the world-beater so it'll time on top North Dakota in the second spot just couldn't ignore the the number last time comes over from the other side of the state for Shug and offer that number in the two thousand twenty debut had to put that one in the mix and then winters wonder in third spot I'd probably like I said this is a tough race but it might stick with the top two that number last time for the show course kind of points at that one but the first or from. Clermont may be interesting. So habits six to nine and one Tampa seven these are maiden claimer is going to mylan. Forty one seven four and ten Mom I got this on top again. It's one of those last out. Nice number kind of situations and you know it's it's a little bit aberration but you can find a couple of things that say maybe it's it's perfectly in line. It's a To sprints to to turn race last time which is an angle but also dropped down to this level so may appreciate it. The two turns may like this class level so does seem kind of logical silent mischief in the second stop the decent race last time on the move over from golf strain and little guy in the third spot. There was some numbers underneath. That are just can't ignore in this field Now this is worth it has plenty of ped- plenty of opportunities and hasn't gotten it done But again this is not a strong field shift. The blame is lightly raced. I'd probably include that so I I probably be tempted to go for deepen here just because as I say the the third time starter shift. The blame is one that in a week field like this. I think a fresh face. If Fresher base is Certainly a contender again. The wind up the secrets with I think another tough race in the eighth as you say. Nice big field when I looked earlier. No scratches in the I have a There are also eligible. Which hadn't been noted as scrap? I looked and saw early scratches So there will be certainly scratches. 'cause there's an also eligible list four eight six and ten. Calypso key on top The buyer fired last time was pretty good. It was against better. Has this type in the past with numbers. That aren't as good so I'm not sure if the horse may be got pulled to that number last time but I'll put it on top because again. It's a tough field. You're looking for a little something busy maker with Morales on board. He was on board last time. When the Schwartz dropped was similar level and just missed. That one's kinda logical and in between those two. I actually used vk legacy with Garo Board who again Was At this level last. I'd decent little third and picks up Garett. Oh today One of those funny opportunities and hasn't gotten it done But maybe this afternoon began a field that otherwise. It's fairly Florida rust. Also of a couple in numbers over the past few starts that maybe go a couple of deep in the first two legs were deep in the last two legs and hope one of those or a couple of those upper upper price but in the mid forty six and ten excellent. I mean it's a nice sequence a we're gonNA talk about Gulfstream with Gus After the break So I appreciate this set and the best what would they? What were the four numbers in the sex? I didn't get that written down in the the maiden special with the six to nine and one Mary good six to nine one seven four seven six eight six to nine one one seven four four eight six ten everybody there. We go south Enjoy the day as they say. Save stay home and We'll check in next week and hopefully we'll be that much closer to getting getting life back to it's it's routine. Yeah it's it is strange out there folks. So yes they say social distance They say some flex a horse racing and we'll make it through hopefully and again. Hopefully it works out sooner rather than later. Exactly everybody and stay tuned to that Seth Marrow twitter feed. It's GonNa just. It's going to ignite to to seth marrow to and it. Seth is lit folks. No doubt we'll take a break last of the day at we'll come back gusts is gonNA join us. We'll talk to Gus Alonzo. Make sure His his family's okay and We'll see what gus thinks about this Gulfstream car today as well so plenty of action for you between fonder will Rogers Tampa and Gulfstream back after this to wrap up the busy Wednesday. It's at the races with Steve on Sirius. Xm radio develop by horsemen. Worst BILLS DOT COM is cost. Effect- you time to the environment friendly paperless revolution of how Equine Industries Bill and receive payments vendors rape generate electronic invoices for each horse whose owners can pay through the same website with just one click. 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Thanks Steve Glad to be on. How has the good wife is at a retirement from her teaching days? She's back home schooling after fourteen years. So it's been pretty interesting here. It seems like it's going to be like that for a little while. How about that The F. How would she drafted how she drafted back into service? Well now with doing home schooling at home right. Yeah Well Tina. I went down. I went down earlier and Tina was on with with another teacher and about six kids and they were. They were interacting. I'm looking forward to. I haven't actually watched the opportunity Mostly they're it in the morning. So how about the kids? How are the kids holding up? They're holding good. You know it's a couple of golf. Courses are still open here so we still getting out late in the afternoon. Just us you know doing some putting and chipping a little bit getting some fresh air because it's difficult to keep them inside the whole time as you can imagine and Just dealing with as much as we can try to stay inside and safe. I was going to ask you. How the how you because you've got your running the Tiger Woods School of Childhood Golfer You've got you've got them in a in a real practice Routine yeah there's no doubt now you know a ever since we moved from Chicago down here with the perfect weather down here especially in the spring and we take advantage of it. They enjoy it so much. They enjoy it. I go with them and you know late afternoons and Saturday. Weekends are usually mind so other days open for golf. Nice keep them keep them like pied and keep gossip a Gulfstream Resumes Today and from what I can tell from an exchange with the with Mike. Welch Gulfstream looks like There's no issue with running so That they'll offer Saturday as well But what what's keeping you busy. You look at this Gulfstream card. Oh I did it late late. Pick five pick four good a lot of quality you know. Usually during the week it's been Kinda Dicey but today they got some nice runners think sequences nicer weather is perfect and I think it's worth a shot I took a couple of plays and Mentioned some now and also post on Derby trail here after we get done to. You Know Nice full field goals and in Nice competitive races. I think it's worth a shot Starting six depict five place. Here's kind of tricky. Stephen looks like a two-horse race here with Lizard Argonne to the front and day by day right behind him to Kinda raised at to get a little bit Outta whack. I'm also going to use the seven Flat Awesome Jenny. It's going to be looking to come off the pace with Pock Lopez. I mean he's been red. Howdy at seven winners. On Saturday Sunday he had a little incident there where he was cute. But you never know what Paco and then the four horse blazoned betsy. Despite sow mayors coming off the bench but I think this could be interesting here. you know at a price. Start to pick five. I I went four deep Second-leg is a claiming sixteen. Going to monitor. What am I The three scratch which is a warrant officer. I was looking at that runner but I went through deep here. I'm using some of the logical keepsake kitten and also the to the verdict is in and I'm also going to seven guerilla Horse broke Made it on on a New Year's Day I mean you got low profile connections here but this source drops here and is eligible to wake up a little bit out of price Race eight third leg just went too deep here The too fast paced. I mean from the prisoner point of view the late pace. This horse has a humongous advantage. And I'VE LEARNED WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. Once you see that they usually run really good off the pace Big Advantage for the to pass I pass obviously one of the logical choices. But I'M GONNA use the prices well into six horse demon. Horse comes from Tampa and Paka picks up the mountain. I think this horse could try to try to steal it with fast. Pass trying to try to nail him night late in seen in that race. The third the fourth flag used a few here Surf and turf as my top choice lightly lately raised. I think you know they're gonNA mile and a half. It's pretty interesting Mid Week Mouna half on the turf for John Service amusing him On top also Vegas Clinton the sources claim back from Michael Maker might be the controlling speed. Would also I like that angle as well? The last race is kind of a crap. Shoot to me I ended up with a seven and on top. Which is Venezuelan hog? Drop should help. Now's a solid Debut enough to to improve here off this off that effort when I'm really interested in along price. Here is eleven metcalf From Mexican trainer Foster Cherish. I think he has a chance to really light up. The Toe Board here stretches out and spread pretty nice for the grass. I mean I know eleven holes. Not exactly what you what you want. But I think this horse is worth inclusion here especially if you WanNa you WANNA blow this ticket up. Obviously you gotTA use the PLETCHER HORSES. Moving down from me especially company Down four band eight eight to five. I mean I'm thinking probably odds-on by the time they go to post on ED runner but I'm not married to a moment gonna use them but I think metcalf in Venezuelan. Hugger are worth inclusion as well. S- pretty nice sequence also looking to see the The entries here for the for the Florida Derby which looks like a pretty Nice Race. They had to drop the price down to three quarters of a million dollars but they got some nice runners there and hopefully fingers crossed this day today that we continue it continues and we can get this race in what What's your what's your read with his the law and everybody lining up independence hall and the Gouverneur Morris and so forth. I mean from obviously for a long on on Saturday. Looks like there's a lot of speed you know there's a stretch out with Chaudhary As seen on TV you mean independence also wants to be towards the front. I think he made a little bit of a premature moving at Sam Davis. I expect him to be a little tougher. I mean Governor Morris for for Pleasure. I mean he was a couple of kicks off track record at Tampa last time out. Horse observes a Lotta respect. But that moved his law made in in the Holy Bull In the far turn to go buy an Indian that was super impressive. And that's why he's one of the Derby favorites. I expect him every thing I hear and read seems to be doing great. They've been pointing to this race the whole time. I think he's going to be tough to beat Underneath A do like Asia. Week is a deep closer. I think he can add some value. And even the Horse Came Second Into Fountain of Youth. Candy tycoon for Pletcher. This is an improving type and with the Derby. Push back. This is a Horse. That could be a major player. Come the fall. And that's going to be part of the. You know the story. Line as we transitioned from the spring lead up into middle part of the year lead on two September Kinda Kinda crazed And Gus just about a minute or so. What What Jamaica of the weekend at at fairgrounds wells by he we went a mile and three sixteenths of and he went to the front really impressed with New York. Traffic Horse Hung in there and actually that horse was Kinda come impact on them. At the end the horse ran a big race for for Saffy Joseph but I think it was a solid race. I really out of that race DOLE GOING FORWARD. I think Major Fed. He was running against the grain. Pretty much if you look at a lot of front runners stayed on top and he made a nice move coming up Coming up the rail there I think he he's wanted to look at especially when you know when this is you know. Come Derby and travers whenever the travers is. He's he's real interesting horse coming out of that race but I thought it was a solid racer whose you know well re well-run in New York traffic was Was SARANDA big race coming back in the Philly race. Bonnie south to coming off the page like that she was super impressive I like you mentioned this all week with those horses come in from New Orleans especially the phillies. I don't know what it is. It might be circumstantial but a lot of them could keep on doing well as the distances get longer and a racist tougher. The you know the other horse that deserves some some added appreciation. I thought Coming out of coming out of Fairgrounds major fed. Watch again yesterday and Growly Yeah He. That was a sneaky. Good performance considering virtually nobody. You know he was really the one making up a making up ground. I mean everybody else that that was something to remember. Keep an eye got plenty of that one. Yeah well stay safe and for the family and You Know Pied and we'll look for You'll have the Gulfstream analysis at Brisbane on Saturday. Guzzle have the whole of the problem thirteen or fourteen race card and Gus lab full card analysis at present. I appreciate it. Steve Stay safe and as for recommendation onto book My number one on the list is exotic betting. I highly recommend that for players. They're trying to get into the game. Awesome book covers a lot. Well and and you know the Steve Chris. exotic wagering method the ABC X. Method Steve Cultivated and really changed the approach to multi-race wagers by eliminating the caveman style ticket. Where all all multiples were weighted evenly. And and Steve made a quantum leap forward for players and No doubt you need a little bit of a base of understanding of the game but Absolutely when it comes to building tickets You can't beat exotic betting Goss. I appreciate it and we will We'll talk soon and I don't know what I'm GonNa see Ya. I wish I would have seen you this winter but We'll see you soon enough. Sounds Good Steve? Thanks Gus Alonzo everybody. Bogey nine hundred sixty seven on your twitter and gus of course from day. One House handicapper without the racist. WanNa thank him. And Seth Hammer make it his way home and sit. Fernando already made his way Frisco Tilak. Who's doing Yeoman's work at fodder. For knits out factor. Good luck today if you're playing When when gus gets that written up I'll put it up at our website. The the pick five pick four Gulfstream. All right but it up at at the races back with you tomorrow. Thursday edition Tony Askin. Rejang and more stay safe. Stay Healthy Sykes Charlie. Bird dog killer.

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TimeformUS Pacecast - Episode 24 - July 10, 2019

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TimeformUS Pacecast - Episode 24 - July 10, 2019

"Hi everyone welcome come to the July tenth edition of the time formulas pace cast. I'm David our golden. I'll be joined in just a second by my co host criminal Caskey this nick on the podcast. We're going to take a look back at the Stars and Stripes Festival from last week in a delmonte park ton of major stakes race to run their last week at including the Belmont Oaks Derby as well as the grade to suburban and the Johnny neighborhood so we'll take a look at all of those races from Saturday and some other days of the week they also read stakes races on Thursday Friday and Sunday at Belmont Park then we'll move on the Delaware Park where they had <hes> the Delaware Oaks Card and some undercard stakes races that will talk about as well as a couple of races from around the country including one race in parks in one for Moselle Obidos to wrap up the show so I'll walk my co host Craig Makovsky Craig. How're you doing this week doing well looking forward to doing this? Show Day later you know so I've been chomping at the bit for that extra twenty four hours so excited to get going yeah I was moving up a Saratoga on Monday so just using yesterday ashtray to kind of get my bearings and get things in order and catch up a little bit on work so recording one day later than usual we'll start with the Belmont Park Stars and Stripes Card with those Saturday stakes races and while it's only a great to raise these days I think the feature race in terms of quality perspective <hes> from the Saturday card was the suburban run over a mile and a quarter on the dirt course of Belmont and there was a minor upset as Catholic Roy could only manage to finish second and preservationists in his stakes debut Byu made quite a splash and was really dominant in this race he was he just ran away from him in the stretch. He got a nice one twenty seven time formula speed figure which is a I'd say a borderline grade one number <hes> you know he did it easily. There was no <hes> trips. You can really talk about him. He sat right there off a Catholic boy who had the lead to himself and was able to run them down and run away from him. I thought it was a really good effort. He was a horse. I thought well good coming in but I don't sound kind of funny. I consider Batman. I looked at odd sport and to me I think at the time he was six the One and I said to myself I that's just not quite enough for me so I'm GonNa pass and then it turned out really got hammered laid down the seven to two and proved ever every bid a worth every penny of that yeah I lay on this Cardi. He's a horse that I had always liked a little bit <hes> he's six years old now. I believe this was just his eighth career rare starts so he's obviously had some issues. I believe he's had some feet problems. Jimmy Jerkins was saying which is what kept him off the track for so long. It's kind of a bigger heavier or so. Sometimes it's hard to keep those horses feet in good shape <hes> but he had always shown a ton of ability he had the pedigree to go the mile and a quarter distance but just because he's had so many stops and starts they never really got opportunity destruction out to these longer distances and boy he really relished it. They want a steady pace around. It wasn't a slow pace. It was moderate <hes> they just this Kinda kept throwing down those twelve seconds the mile fractions but he really finished up strongly. I mean for him to come home his final quarter in what was it like twenty four point three seconds. That's really strong for the end of a dirt race going this distance and I'll be interested. Here's the just worried he goes from here if they could keep mama track even sound he so lightly raced. I don't see why couldn't take another step forward as he moves up to actual great one company. I think they were talking about possibly going to the Woodward next. I just think he's a really exciting or is that saw lightly raced and he might have more upside as Catholic boy personally. I thought he was kind of over. Bet Miss raised especially a few minutes to post when you were preservationists with six to one I believe Catholic what was like three to five or four to five going into the gates <hes> <hes> he drifted up to sixty five late. The thing with Catholic boy is based on speed figures and we had talked about this previously he's just not really faster than the other horses and I think people were building up the better than he was because it's just Kinda cool that he could run on dirt and turf is is he really a grade one horse either surface. I'm not sure he ran find in this race. What did you think of his trip? I was GONNA say the same thing he's a horse. It just never really run up particularly fast rate so I think the the reputation kind of exceeds what's what we've actually shown on the track and I definitely thought he was over bet in here. <hes> I had to really restrain myself not the bed Pablo. He's a horse. I seen always get sucked into but I held back this time. I just wound up watching this one but I totally agree with you on Catholic boy. I'm not sure what surfaces better on at this point I'd probably point them to turf where he has been a grade one winner I think as a three year old and maybe he's got a little more upside there because I just don't see him beaten eaten top horses running needs kind of races especially when you get the ten furlongs. I'd rather see him on turf were maybe there's a little more upside than we saw here. Yeah I know John Thomas was sounded a little bit upset at the right afterwards that he kind of made that early backstretch extra move. I don't think being on the League is a bad place to be in this race because they were going such a moderate clip upfront if you've been sitting second off preservationists I doubt the result would have been different but I agree with you. I just think he's a horse that I guess they could try on turf again. Maybe more distance is the key to him because he really does seem to have that grinding style and plenty of Stamina <hes> just not really sure where he fits. I think third gold now is the Woodward next <hes> a much returning back to nine furlongs as really what he wants to do on the DERP. We'll find out both of these horses. Moving forward art are exciting but I think preservation is is the one that I would want and has a Catholic boys never had too much problem winning on the lead on the turf. If I remember right even the Doug back in and came back on a few times so I was a little baffled by those comments Brooke probably just looking for an excuse the horse ran well but just just not good enough. Yeah I feel the same way the to grade one races on the card on Saturday were both on the turf for the phillies and the Coleslaw three-year-olds each l. sort at the Belmont Derby for the colts was one of the ninth race <hes> Henley's joy horse who had been somewhat. I'm lucky and some of his prior races and had some trips <hes> but he had been beaten by a lot of common rivals in this race many times before he he turned the tables on all of them. I think the trips had a lot to do with the results of this race. Though yeah I do as well I think if you ran this race ten times you might get five or six different winners. You'd probably only get one horse when it a couple times but he got the trip in here. <hes> like you say turntables on some rivals I I couldn't come up with them. Before the race <hes> he did have some trips but not enough that I was willing to back them <hes> but in a good effort good effort from him social paranoia ran well. He's a horse. We've talked about a few times on the podcast and I was impressed with rock emperor who ran first time for Chad Brown from fourteen post Kinda came from way out of it to get third where the top two had a much bigger headstart on him in here so in a solid race nothing. I'm going to get too excited about. I think it's one Catholic boy one last year. I thought he was a more exciting than these bet says anything about it yet competitive race it was a great wagering race. If you had a good opinion I it was a fun race the handicap for sure because there were so many trips to analyze go again and so many with common form lines <hes> I could make Kenley joy either. I know Ian add some top trips. especially in the Churchill downs race the American turf as well L. as in <hes> the Penn Ridge the preference he had been a little light on each occasion but this time he wasn't why he actually broke on top and I thought Jose Condo really did a good job to not grab him when he broke so sharply because I feel look a lot of writers that are that ride horses that typically come from off the pace. If a horse breaks on top they feel like they have to drag them to the back of attack and kind of didn't do that. He allowed him to go forward. Henley's joy was actually leading the field past the wire the first time and he got him back to sit about outs third on the rail for this entire trip just saved a ton of ground got off the rails soon as they straightened away in the scratch and he was able to get the jump mother horses who are running on late. I just Jose Lascano gave one of the best rides of the meat that I think is actually turn out to be his final win. Did this Delmonte Park needed one of the writing title on. I think that was pretty fitting because he really deserved it. Yeah that's a really good point about the right so many times we guys snatch up horses that come from off the peace and break well when normally I mean they're going to drop back a little bit anyway and get the position they prefer and maybe even a little more advantageous position <hes> especially in cases like this where when you do break well it means. Some others probably didn't if you have a closer on top and there's no need to give up that advantage so great. Bryden A well-deserved riding title for it's kind of guide you just mentioned the the trivia trips and performances of a couple of the Tread Brown runners are rock emperor digital age. I thought rock on rhapsody ran really well because John Velazquez gave him. The good ride took him to the back of the pack. It just Kinda stayed there for the entire race which is not a bad place to be when you're in such a crowded field with the potential for a lot of traffic trouble. He was kind of removed from that for the first <hes> seven furlongs at the race rock emperor past about Ted had horses at a stretch and was really running on lake. I know the pace figures are color coded red but I think that's because we see a lot of slow paces at these mile and a quarter races. I thought that was pretty much on the moderate side. It's not like it was just falling apart at the because the top had been close to the pace Arauz Rock Edwards start in the U._S. and I imagine will stay with Chad Brown this country for the remainder of his three year old season. He seems like an exciting moving forward in a series he does. It's funny mentioned Chad Brown. We had several turf stakes in. He actually got shut out this weekend though he did win. One of the dirt stakes. Obviously you can't wager on something like that but I imagine if you could it would have paid a nice price yeah. No that's true that is kinda surprising. He had some versus that took a lot of support and a lot of these races that they just didn't quite perform including digital age. I don't think he was actually favored. I believe seismic way was the favorite thing digital age was the second choice digital age ran fine. I feel like the final mile kind of caught up to him a little bit that he's a horse that had questionable pedigree to get a mile and a quarter and he just flattened out after seeming to make a good move from about the quarter pole to the folly just clicking quake carry that momentum forward all these horses are so evenly matched though if we see different trips next extend out in the Saratoga Derby <hes> which is coming up about four weeks. I'm not going to be surprised if we see a different result. No no actually be there for that one so who play out so you see your for that I'm looking forward to those are going to be interesting the the oaks and the Derby Irby that they're running this year <hes> new races and I think they're well warranted with the so many more turf reaches being run these days the effort to get together that weekend that should be. I think the writing on Friday and Sunday I wanNA say around the Whitney that should that should should be a fun weekend moving onto the Philly version of the race. The Belmont Oaks <hes> a bit more of a decisive results here as concrete rose. I think really asserted herself. As the leader of this division now is of three roles newspaper of record bid the dominant and undisputed leader of this division when they were two year olds but concrete rose has really taken a step forward <hes> she ended that might be the case in the Edgewood last time but I think she left no doubt that she's just a cut above these after the D'Amato's she did and I should mention I didn't mention the winner of the Derby got a one fifteen time form U._S. speed figure and that's what I wound up settling on for the oaks winner as well concrete rose at same one fifteen and if people look at the final times they're probably GonNa be scratching in their heads a bit but I know we've talked about it before on turf. You just can't really use final time as a reliable indicator of how good these sources were <hes>. If I'm went strictly based on final time the the Derby would have been a good three or four points higher the the oaks probably would have been seven or eight points of our and I just don't think there's any way you could watch this race and think they concrete rose regress three or four months when she was very impressive. It was strictly a matter of peace whereas as you mentioned can we get a lot of slow pieces in these mile and a quarter races. I think that's what we got me. Oaks whereas the the Derby we got a much more stout peace <hes> talk about a fast paced her freezes another time I could go on for twenty minutes about WBAP but but but we talk about how slow pieces underrate the horses a bit sometimes as far as what time they can run in the same vein the faster pieces can kind of overrated because on the turf he sources a really never going as fast says they really could <hes> the the pieces are always the races are always more tactical so in this case I think it was a combination of both they and I really think the one fifteen that we gave both races kind of tell you are really reasonable estimates about how good the sources are and just to expand upon that I think what you were saying about fast paces exaggerating performances as a really pronounced when you get these hard firm of courses like what we've had Belmont in recent weeks <hes> we'll get to the Manila in a second but I mean we saw some three roads going a mile race after setting an honest face that nearly breaking the track record a nets because <hes> horses that go start out going fast on these harbor trip courses through able to sustain that momentum better than other words might be able to more org demanding courses it just seems like <hes> their speed is not as drained by the end of the race as it might be otherwise and we saw that in the Belmont Derby as well and I mean does delmonte oaks they went to the six furlong fraction a full two and a half seconds slower than the colts did <hes> just two races later and it would just be impossible for these phillies to come home fast enough to catch up to that <hes> deficit that had been left if they'd been running in the same race as the cause I mean they'd be trailing that killed by about fifteen lengths and you just can't make up that kind of the grounded the final three eighths or or half mile so I mean these phillies really did come home and play fast <hes> but I think it was the right decision to kind of break these races out and treat them as as separate situations even though there are just two race apart concrete rose yeah yup. She's just a really nice philly. I do WanNa touch upon the tactics on newspaper of record and just what's going on with her. 'cause I saw a lot of people after the race <hes> really knocking Iran Ortiz for the ride as if it was all his fault and you have to read the pre-race is closed for <hes> Dave grading others reported that <hes> the tactics that Chad Brown had settled upon with her and the owners were to rate her this time and just to see it worked out it was a risk and experiment and obviously it failed. They're not going to ride Ryder that way ever again I would assume <hes> but sometimes these things happen. She's just affiliates unreadable once in a while to get a horse like this we'll get behind on their horses and they will settle it. Just turns out that newspaper record is not bad horse. No that was pretty ugly. Really I haven't went back and watched the replay but I'm sure some horses had been affected by by her as she just you know was totally rankin veered out and kind of cut to the outside. It was really ugly performance. I think she wound up finishing fishing last <hes>. We've obviously talked about her. Several times and you know I've said it over and over again. Oh Yeah I think she just worth going against a until we see see her. Get back to that form but I'm not sure it's coming that two year old form yeah my my outlook on her has has evolved a little bit over time. She's obviously a runoff type. They really can't wait her. She's just got a ton of speed and that's the way she's going to. She needs to be written. They need just let her go. <hes> she probably wants less distance. Yes I think a mile and a quarter is just too far. She really has a hold on a SEC. I've got a delivery no worries. I'll take over while you're gone for a minute. I totally Agree Korea trying to raider at a mile and a quarter was probably a little bit of a silly decision because he is a horse who who's proven to have high tactical speed and the pace is always going to be slower going a mile and a quarter so not only. Are you trying to put her behind horses sources. You're trying to put her behind horses in a race where she's going to be running slower than she ever has before so I mean I don't blame him for trying something she had lost her first first couple efforts but you know it just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me in here and ultimately pook proved a little dangerous because of the horse not blaming I read she just wouldn't take the rating and you know I'm curious where they go from her. It seems like maybe a mile about her limited. At this point against top horses yes sorry about that to my housemate was getting his blue apron delivery this week yeah newspaper record. She actually did affect coral beach. The longshot aiden O'Brien was badly steadied when when newspapers record process out of the back stretch and I read Ortiz critise couldn't control her and to those who are kind of <hes> critiquing Iran for taking her so far back it's a kind of situation where he had let go of the reins and just dropped her gave her head she could have run up on heels and really made a dangerous situation. It's not just for the other riders but even for him because <hes> horsing clip heels in that situation so you just want to protect yourself in the horse when you have a runner that so uncontrollable underneath you <hes> what I was trying to say before about newspaper properties that she probably really does want less distance. She's kind of smaller Philly. That doesn't seem like she's really developed in stature since her juvenile season. I hope they try to terminate into more of a miler with speed. I think that's the way to go with their moving forward and I assume Chad Brown will figure that out as. As well and carved out a path for because it will be a shame if they just retire because she does have real talented real speed. I think that they just have to figure out how to get it out of her. I agree I'd like to see him. Just let her go. One of these times week we've seen milers in the past has to go as fast as they can. As far as they can be really successful and you know before I gave up on her. I'd really just like to see that tactic. Just let her run and and see if they can catch her because awful oftentimes you'll just sap the kick of all the closers in those spots lots and you know maybe able to hang on speaking of leading horses run a horse that often gets to do that out of the front end is promises fulfilled and we saw him strut his stuff in the John Yuda which was previously the Belmont Sprint Championship this a seven furlong race he was dropping down to grade two company after facing tougher grade one foes in recent starts and it just seemed like the drop in class really worked for this horse and the fact that they've got to set a slow pace didn't hurt either yeah it sure didn't we had this project. <hes> predicted in the peace projector is pretty obvious he was loaned speed killybegs captain. I believe broke poorly. Maybe he was one who could have challenged Murli but he just drew often ran away from the field. I'm not sure they killybegs captain could have given him a whole lot of fighting here. Even if he did break well he'd have been trying to press them and we know promises fulfilled can go a lot faster than he did here <hes>. He got a one twenty three time for U._S.. Speed figure the final time was one twenty eight so we not get back because of that slow pace but he's a horse whose hit one thirty before his last couple races have been in the one twenty seven one twenty nine range so he's a horse that clearly can go faster and he he was just is much better than the horses he faced in here and I'm sure I think he would Iran as fast as needed to to win yeah a classic example of some way too focused on the results of raises in knocking him because I've seen some people jose is not the same voice that he was as three year old. I think he's actually better than he was a three year old because I know he's losing some of these racist but he's involved in one of the toughest divisions of the country but works is like totally out there as well as other these search for older sprint division races are really tough these days and promises fulfilled I he's running fast. beat figures probably faster than he did his three-year-old. I just think he's in great form right now. Six to seven furlongs is really what he wants to do. The met bile was a a little ambitious to think he could get the mile against those top wars is like that but I'll be interested to see if he faces Matola get into future because mentally probably is the better horse but I don't think there's as big of a gap between promises to fill it in the top horses in this division as some people think no. I don't either I another when you didn't meant a world of trouble who's run on turf a few times here but certainly give move back to dirt as shown in run fast but yeah I mean he's definitely one of the top sprinters out there. I mean he led the Breeder's Cup sprint through a half half-mile I believe it was last year as a three year old so he he's a very fast horse and at speeds always dangerous if you let them go he he's going to be hard to run down. He's gotten into some piece battles last couple times out and represented themselves well. I mean he didn't win but he certainly didn't run disgraceful and I think he's one of the top sprinters out there. I totally agree with that. Sticking with the one term races for the final stakes race on Saturdays CARNAC douaumont actually was the first one that was run during the day was the grade dwyer three year olds going a mile and Co Bonner another one of these three roles that seems to really be thriving after the triple crown grind is over he ran the Kentucky Derby then skipped the other two races. I thought he actually ran quite well. On the Kentucky Derby you got a good trip but he our expectations and getting back to the one turn mile in this dwyer. It seemed to really suit him. I I never thought he was in a great spot on a far back in an awkward position behind the slow pace ace but once he got into the stretch he asserted his class he did and I mean when you say a slow pace it was a very slow pace. We have all the fractions coded and blue and it just didn't matter to him I mean he was you know well back. Well off the pace in it just blew by everybody in here. I granted you know wasn't the strongest competition but he ran one nineteen which was appoint faster than his runner up finish in Derby so just a good effort. He's just another one of these solid. Three year-olds crop gets knocked allied on social media and even on watching some of the rates is on T._v.. But I just we've talked about it before. I really don't think it's a bad crop. I think it's a deep strong crop and just the given example. A Catholic boy who talked about earlier is a horse who went off you know six to five against older. Horses is basically a one twenty one twenty two course on airspeed figures and we've seen the three year olds are able to run very similar races says they his already and and they're only going to get better so I'm actually looking forward to seeing the source of develop. I see where code of honor goes next. Eat A horse who you know I don't even know that a mile and a quarter like he ran into Derby as his best distance he may be better suited. The shorter races and then finishing kick was really something on Saturday. Yeah they're not going to do it but I would love to see a kind of reverse course and turn back to a raise like the Allen Jerkins because he's got such a turn of foot in the ogle finishing kick in these short races <hes> that's a little bit less effective in the longer races stretching out to a mile and a quarter. I get it though that they've got up to a race like the traverse. It's the premier race for the three year olds. He was second in the Kentucky Derby <unk> a elevated from third so it makes sense <unk> race like the travers because that's where he deserves to be <hes> but in the future once we get asked these races that showed kind of asked to point them to I'd be interested if he's a more versatile horse than just running those classic distance races because I really think he can go shorter as well as for the others in here final jeopardy ratified I thought row weight and it was a little bit unlucky. He probably should have been second. He just got stuck on the rail for a little too long behind that pace to alter course listen to stretch but I mean let's be honest. Nobody was getting to quote Obama in this race no they weren't I agree about where we that was a little bit baffling ride to me. There was no peace in the race and he still Kinda got dragged back on the rail and stuck behind horses but he he probably was second best in here and should've run second but you know I I get it. He kinda came from off the pieces last time out he sat behind horses and God through but I just hate when these guys take take away a horse's best asset which in his cases speed. They certainly did it here so he's one out expect to run a little bit better next time but I still don't think he was beaten. Code honor sticking with three year olds. We're going to turn it back to Thursday at Belmont Park and Kinda chronologically other stakes races for the rest asked of the week on Thursdays feature was the Manila for the three roles on the turf and speaking of horses coming out of some of the triple crown prep races and the triple crown races. We saw a win win win. <hes> who had I believe run in the Kentucky Derby and the preakness ignace. He switched a turf in this race for the first time he's a horse set. I think the connections of always had turf the back of their mind because he's a son of Patrick on really does have more of a Turk pedigree and he ran to that pedigree in this race. I guess it should have been a big surprise. He went off at four to one and he just went from last to first random down got more pace to run into that. I think most of US expected he would <hes> but he still ran a fine race in his first start on the turf. He did disarray surprise me a bit. I I honestly when I saw the entries I figured he would get better a lot more heavier than he did and I had plans to bet against him but but the way the odds turned out I wound up bet on them. It just kind of threw me off there and got a little bit lucky here. I would argue that fog of war probably ran up a little bit better race being up closer to the pace. He actually got a one seventeen speed figure from US compared to the one sixteen that win win win God but that one sixteen is a good number for three year olds as we saw the Belmont Derby was one with a one fifteen <hes> we haven't had a lot of three year old surfers a hitting the one twenty mark if any that I can remember so you know he's right up there. I I kinda thought maybe he will be better as a dirt sprinter but they took a shot on turf orphan with the purchase these days. Maybe that'll turn out to be a good decision time. We'll tell soon yeah. I think we're going to stick on turf for now. They haven't really announced a plan yet. <hes> I personally think with this horse the shorter distances really make the difference. Your friends said getting back to the one turn mile race. I think it really intensified late kick that had not been quite as pronounced in some of the longer races we had seen him in on the dirt he had been so effective going shorter early in his career. I think <hes> going short a really makes the difference for him regardless of surface surface but we'll see what they do if they choose race like the Jerkins or if they stretching out to a race like <hes> like the Saratoga Derby and take on the dom on Derby Horses we'll see I guess they have some options with him but like you were saying that's respectable speed figure and I see no reason. Why can't compete against those two reports has worked moving forward <unk> that grade one rebel? What did you think of fog of war I mean I was his last race was so bad my eyes? I just couldn't bring myself though like him but I thought he ran rarely Welwyn here yeah I think we just assume sometimes the Chad Brown's always going to have these horses ready to go off these long layoffs and it's not always the case that it's the case quite often because he does that very good statistics doing that but it just seemed like fog of war was a little rusty last time and I was certainly skeptical ultimate spot especially as the favourite which I think he did end up going off as the favorite <hes> lukewarm at three to one but he ran much better than he ever had before it really took a step forward second off layoff handled the one mile distance as he added a two year old and and like you were saying the pages in color coded red is the fast but I think it was an honest contested pace one that certainly turned out to be a lot stronger in the early going than I expected it to be. I thought pole-sitter was going to be controlling upfront and he actually add some company and a horse is actually out random lead but fog of war held on really well after big NAB looms the lead at the eighth goal land. He's one that I wanna see going no farther than a mile. I think that's really the Max for him but he's just as good as anybody else out there. I think agreed greet sticking with three-year-olds again hybrid that the dirt on Fridays Card <hes> we saw Chan Brown didn't went on the turf this weekend but he did have this dirt victory with Royal Charlotte in victory ride going six furlongs <hes>. I've got to be honest. I've never been that impressed by this philly. I know she's won four races in a row three coming into this. I love any of races that much but she really impressed me. This spots cookie dough. I think really did run a race on the turn back and Royal Charlotte just came got her. Yes she. She's a horse I hadn't been overly impressed with the spider her modest winning streak but she proved able to raid off that fast pace we have all the fractions code in red and just one easily. I mean they were turning into the lane. This rates was over. There was no doubt who was winning this when she was the only one who who was making any kind of move cookie dough held on for second after getting into a a pretty good battle early with Brill who dropped out and ran back. She was a bit disappointing for me. I thought she'd run better around the one turn but I think it was a pretty strong race. A winner got a one sixteen cookie dough got a one eighteen for setting that fast paced. She gets a little bit of a bonus which you know depending on the race I I'm not sure I'd put a whole lot of stock in that. I think Royal Charlotte was was the better horse despite the Pacer and you know she's a horse who looks like she could probably go seven furlongs. May maybe even a mile so you you know I am. Jewish says she where she goes. She surprised me from here and you got some time to reverse course on your horse. L. Cost too much money. The one caveat in this race is that the horse that was supposed to be brought Charlotte's main competition seuss fortune. Something just went wrong with her. <hes> she was banned off after the race and pulled up <hes> reportedly she's she's has no major injury and she's okay. I think Jeremiah Angler tweeted that after the race <hes> but just disappointing that she couldn't move forward to build a popper impressive a second place finish to break even in her prior start so that made the race a little bit easier but Charlottesville ran a really fines beef figure for three year old filly and <hes> as you were saying onto race prior isn't the test. She's really tough <hes>. I've no knocks against her. At this point. It's a strong division that she's jumping in with co Fethi who we saw lose last time but against older horses and break even there's some real runners in the three year old fillies sprint division now the other states race on Friday at Belmont on park was the river memories going mile and a half on the turf for fillies and mirrors originally in this race was drawn. It seemed really strong but about half of the field was also crossed entered it the Robert G Dick at Delaware all were park on Saturday and about half of them did end up scratching out to run in that spot instead. We'll talk about a little bit <hes> so this was just a field of six after twelve were injured and semper centennial ta just caught the right field she had been facing much better horses in her prior starts against graded stakes company and this dropped down to listed stakes race. Just did the trick yes it did. She got a one eighteen time formula speed figure for the win. I don't have a whole lot to say about this. When you might note there in our P._p.'s V._p.'s there's no <hes> page figures for this race and that's just because on this core say they just haven't run this distance often enough that that have any confidence in making speed figures but somebody I look like a relatively honest piece? I don't think it was overly fast or overly really slow so I think we can take the results at face value the top to where the best two horses in here I feel the same way separates attent- as a horse that actually coming into this race was still eligible for nominations one Laois race because she had only earned her maiden victory and even though she placed in the bunch of graded stakes races and they keep running around these stakes races at I think she ever awarded her connections that she got a well-deserved win here <hes> but ivory. These aren't the toughest <hes> this wasn't the toughest field out there and I think if she moved back up in class in the future she might <hes> get no more than a minor award again on Sunday at Belmont Park. The final states rates of this past weekend was the state dinner for the older horses going a mile sixteenth on dirt and surprising result as Prince lucky not who seem to have gone form after <unk> running such impressive races over the Winter Gulfstream he didn't run well in West Chester as the favorite than really disappointed. I think he was last in the met mile but he got back on track of the state dinner. <hes> I think the more aggressive tactics really paid off for him and it also helps the horse's like back yard evident. <hes> Sunny Ridge just didn't really show up yeah. I thought it was a good effort by Prince lucky I would argue from speed figure perspective you can almost most put a line through his last three just not representative by one was over a sloppy track that he didn't seem the handle was against Matola and the one at Gulfstream came in a win and what was basically a paid workout where he did no running at all for the first three recorders of a mile and just finish strong so he couldn't get a good figure that day so he kinda got back to that he ran a one nineteen here I his big race at Gulfstream. I think he had run in the mid one twenty but it was an impressive effort eye candy gram ran okay as even money favourite <hes> I thought backyard heaven the Toe Board told the story with him he went off seven the two and if he thought he was gonNA run back to his best races he was clearly the best horse in here so he was definitely a bit dead on the board my opinion so I kinda ignored him. Yeah I totally miss this race. <hes> I actually thought tend to grandma's interesting to pick never in my wildest dreams. I think he'd be even money off. Just a couple of allowance wins against the field of this quality but is you were saying backyard Evan. I think the word was out that he just wasn't really ready off the layoff or just wasn't quite the same horse and prince looking also pretty dead on the board. I think a lot of people were were just off his bandwagon after those too poor performances but as you were saying he did have some excuses uses and he got back on track here. I still don't think he's the kind of horse that we thought he might be going back over the winter. When he ran I believe he got a one twenty seven in that same as the house hope but <hes> he still capable of running some decent speakers pickers when he gets the right kind of setup as he did this race? I'm just not sure he's that kind of grade one grade to type of force that some wanted him to be no. I agree one. Nineteen is a great three type figure for older horses and you know looking at the field assuming backyard heaven is not the worst ones was. That's basically what this race was a grade three and he proved the best in the field and you know I I'd be against them if he stepped back up in class. I expect more of a reversion the what we saw in the met mile <hes> but you know good effort if he's spotted right he's going to give a good effort. I do want to mention a couple of other non stakes races from this past week at Belmont starting with a Wednesday allowance race that featured the return of Luke Colon <hes> who are in one nineteen time former speed figure for this return going a mile sixteenths on the turf <hes> Lou Colin's a horse that I think a lot of people probably forgot about but he had been a really Nice three-year-old he had finished behind horses like bricks in mortaring Yoshida data in a stakes race befall. I believe that was the hill traits came back a second or third Robert. Bruce stakes is only started a four year old and coming off layoff of well over a year in in this allowance race. I thought he'd put forth a nice effort and I'm not going to be shocked if it goes back up into graded stakes company does quite well in the future yeah. I thought it was a good effort as well. We got a one nineteen speed figure for the effort and what I liked he was able to. It was a very slow pace. We have all the fractions code in red eye. Noble indeed three-year-old ask year who was on the Derby to the Moran in Derby in Oh said it I think <hes> and he was able to run him down. Therapist Rennes the third who was sitting second all the way around so you know the pace was definitely a little bit against them sitting in third and he was able to run past those I think he was much the best horse in here. <hes> the only other one. I'd be interested not so much interested in but I'd be willing to put put a line through force the pass this was just a bit of a merry go round race. He's the one who really had no chance in here given his running style but good effort from the winner and I would expect them the move back up in the stakes and he's run well into the one twenties as before so he could certainly be competitive by a good. I think it was more than a year of fear so certainly a good effort off the bench. Yeah it was just an allowance race or an optional claiming race but it really did have a stake steel to with horses force the past therapist in here and I like loophole. I like this effort. He was even a little bit green in the stretch not totally focused and I think you're McLaughlin getting move forward office performance as long as he stays sound so he's a horse that I would look for in stakes like I dunno if the four star Davis too tough but <hes> races like the Bernard Group perhaps later in the summer at Saratoga the one of the reason I want to discuss from this week at Belmont was a two year old maiden race on Thursday where green light go won his debut for Jimmy Jerkins <hes> the horse was out of the very fast damn light green light believe in run a really fast race and I want to say the prior is a number of years ago. I liked what I saw from this source. I know the pace wasn't that fast but he he won this race. <hes> pretty easily really yeah. I agree and I do one comment. I WanNa make about that with these. Two year olds I mean the way our algorithm set up. We do punish horses or for setting so pieces but with two year olds. I actually liked to see this kind of rage tape because it tells me these sources can read a bed in that. They're going to be able to go longer when they stretch out the horses. You Really WanNa be against. They're the ones that that set fast pieces and Kinda hang on because they're not gonna get the run five and five and a half furlongs. They're going to be stretching threaten out the six and seven so I really do like to see this kind of running running sheet. You know a line through these sources that I'd rather see the blue than the red yet. That's an interesting point at. It's something that I was thinking about a lot. When I was handicapping the Schuylerville <hes> opening day tomorrow at Saratoga you see those two different types of those that go out and sets a really fast fractions and hold on going four and a half furlongs as opposed to those that Kinda go slower early and and finish up strongly began lower speed figures? I think those horses might be closer closer at ability than the speed figures indicate and that's what's so tough not making speed figures for two year old races is there so sure they're so dependent on the early pace of a green light go he. This horse looked like a three year old among two year olds. I mean just watching the race race from a physical standpoint. He just towered over his foes and I don't think <hes> junior Alvarado was riding every took out a stick. He broke this source <hes> he gives Mahan ride to the right to the wire <hes>. I was just really impressed with what I saw from. 'em And I would imagine it's going to be onto stakes. Company Tate's for this source in the future just a nice debut yeah. What one note about him? He didn't use late six either which is something that's fairly rare these days a little bit more these days with two year olds but I would imagine we'll get it eventually and it never really <unk> hurt said so. I expect a lot of good things from this source. I was really impressed with him well. I think that's fitting that we book end that you race the Belmont with two JERKIN sources one who finally reaching his peak as sixty roles are now a two year old who was unprecedented debut but starting with outlays probably has afford moving him or tube moving forward <hes> live on the Delaware Park and we'll talk about four of the stakes races from there Saturday card <hes> I don't know if it was considered the feature race but certainly the race that attracted the most attention at Delaware Park on Saturday was the Delaware oaks which featured last year two year old champion Jaywalk <hes> Jaywalk has had a rough go of it so far as a three year old. She disappointed her for three year old debut as the odds on favorite with really really not a factor in the Kentucky Oaks was nice to see her get back on track here. I don't know if it was the return to Delaware or the fact that <hes> they added blinkers for the first time but she just looked like roads old self shooter off in this race really impressively Asti thicker yes. She got one twenty two for that for which is huge for three zero affiliates is good as we've seen anything else not named Garon. I believe <hes> so it was a big effort. This was basically a match race on paper and that's how it played out on the track. Fashion Faux Pas no slash <hes> slouch e. She is a good Philly <hes> she tried to take it to Jaywalk tried to keep up with her and just couldn't do it in Jaywalk ran away from her third the stretch so I I don't I think it's a stretch at all to say cheese back in top form. <hes> you know it's hard to say with these. She's GONNA run up against a worse at clearly seems a need to be on the lead so if he runs again up against a Horse Sharon geddy empress I believe is entered. What is it expresses her empress empress yeah you know things could get tough but it but she certainly is Dave very dangerous when she makes the lead and I think the blinkers do that here and I'm sure she'll keep them on and really looking forward Ford to see him where she showed up and particularly who she's in against yeah I totally agree with that? I guess the point two races at Saratoga like the coaching club American oaks. Perhaps that might be back a little bit sue and I'm not sure <hes> and the Alabama baby is more likely likely targets. I would imagine the loss of point Reyes like the Chilean parks later in the year but based on this performance. She has every right to be in those races had to be considered a strong contender because as you say we saw that big number out of Corunna but aside from her in this is one of the fastest racist that we've seen and Jaywalk just did seem to be a lot more focused with the blinkers <hes> that's stride that she has that long loping stride that we saw the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies. It seemed like she had gotten that action back in this race maybe she I just love the Delaware Park course <hes> but I just love when I saw Moore in this race and Fashion Faux Pas you're saying she was actually kind of surprising fortify favorite in this race off that big weight on her prior start she didn't run badly at all. She just ran into a philly that frankly ran out of her skin and I've always been a fan of Jay walk. I would love to see her continue to do well and not just excited to see where she goes next agree I look forward to we know she's going to be a piece presence. I think anywhere she shows up and that's always always a welcome sight for sure. <hes> there were a bunch of stakes turf stakes races on the car on Saturday at Delaware Park and the biggest of them was probably the Robert Jeep Dick which went is the race after the Delaware oaks the favorite in this race race was gaining who had been entered also in the river memories at Belmont and she was one of many who's crash out of this race and instead chose to run Rabotchy Dick gaining just probably has been a little overrated is her third loss in a row as the favorite and she actually lost to the same horse that Peter in our prior started churchill downs gentle ruler who is now on four in a row or Ian will said Chris Landeros. I thought gave her perfect ride. In this race to saving ground up recep of the way the rail opened up at the top of the stretch when she shot on through she just seems to have really responded well to this stretch out to marathon distances yes she did the betting was really a bit baffling here. <hes> this was one. I was actually able to take advantage of a general roar like you said she beat gaining gaining last time with with probably a worse trip from pay scenario we had all the the fractions coated and blue that day and she was behind gaining was able to run her down so I just saw no reason she wasn't going to beat her again and she did so easily so inner. Sometimes the speed figures on turf aren't always the you know a hundred percent reliable but I thought this was a case where clearly was the better horse coming in and she proved it on the track these horses I think it just goes to show they can really William frew about quite suddenly and certain horses can really respond positively to stretching out to longer distances some horses just they might not be able to achieve stakes wins or elite results going a mile a sixteenth mile and an eighth but as soon as you stretch the now to a mile and three eighths mile in just turned into completely different horses and I think General Ruler is a quintessential example of that she just is a different kind of worse going longer distances and I mean getting this perfect trip didn't hurt either. I don't think she was ever in danger of losing this race. <hes> given the way the others Rad and we'll see where they go from here. This was not the strongest field and I'm sure that the grade one in grade two type races at this level will be a lot tougher adventuresome Chad Brown runners which this race did not. What about she certainly heading in the right direction free involves the I should mention together? One eighteen time formula speed figure here than you know you mentioned the trip. She did get a perfect trip but you know she's kind. She showed last time she could sit closer to a slow slow pace of the peace was faster here and she dropped further back. Soshichi appears in not only like the distance but it's pretty versatile from base perspective now. It wasn't a great race but <hes> the marathon race on the same card for the male horse is is going a mile and a half was the Cape Henlopen stakes which one is the fourth race on the card and we saw kennesaw witness race on the turn back little funny to say that it's going to a mile and a half distances turning back but he was coming out of the two mile belt donat Gold Cup two miles but he can also go a mile and a half. He was just better than these horses he was. He wound up going off even money this restore surprisingly strong field for only seventy five thousand purse <hes> we had a lot of horses dropping being from graded stakes races but you know he did well. He ran out a one twenty two which as I've mentioned before that could definitely win agreed three type race <hes> particularly at this distance he he's not a horse. I WANNA see step up against the big players in division but he certainly a capable Hussein seems the love these longer distances yeah we saw Arnau Delacour. He's the traitor of Kansas are actually finished one two in this race as he also sent out the longshots second-place finisher surprise twist surprise twist actually oxygen quite well because he probably lived with a little too soon to what was a fast pace and Kennesaw just made that <hes> that last move which is often the right move to make in races going the distance that do feature on his pace up front but Kenneth Pharmacists better than these sources as saying that none of the others in this race can achieve a speed one twenty two and he just asserted his dominance Ardo Delacour did have a pretty strong day on Saturday at Delaware Park because he also one of the great recant which shot was the CO feature on this card with the Delaware Oaks <hes> Key ed eons who won this race getting the better of award winner in pretty thrilling battle to the wire <hes> not the strongest group of three roles and I think this race has really been affected by being around the same weekend as the Belmont Derby. 'cause you see a lot of the top three girls go in that direction instead but eons. It's a decent horse. Is this another one. I guess I probably have my best day at Delaware. The betting was a little baffling to me here you too in this way he he had one black eyed Susan Dey very nice race any comeback winning steak at Delaware with a good one fourteen speed figure which was the best in the field that was really surprised to get four to one on him. Now a day like you said it was a thrilling finish I academy our award. Winner ran very well to be second beaten just the neck but but I think he was the best horse in here <hes> he he was able to chase him down. He was <hes> you know one. The lead the Majoria award winner was on the lead read the majority of the race in just a good effort. I mean these aren't graded stakes sources to get a one twelve for the win as did the runner up <hes> but in a solid three year olds I say not graded stakes grade one type horses but they certainly can win some steaks except there's by spider properly yeah. I thought it works quite well because if you watch the beginning of this race he was actually a little bit ranked in the early going he was on the lead but he looked a little slow to settle and usually horses like that when they're pulling on the writers they don't finish as well as he did but he really dug in late and battled eons all the way to the wire up. They're both nice horses. I'll be interested to see where they go from here. If they step up to some of the chuckle races in New York moving forward say some of those worship you saw the Belmont Montgomery because it does feel like the cream of the crop is really running in those great one type raises it not here but one twelve is a decent number for three roles. It's not that much lower than what we saw those stakes race at Belmont so I think these are zero k the final two races double discuss on the podcast. This week are at other venues. I will head out to Los alamitos where the big race they ran last week was the great lady m stakes going six and a half furlongs on dirt for the Phillies in mayors and have your favorite in this race was Marley's freedom and she just got a great trip but also looked like a winner every step of the way and just asserted predominance on the class drop she did. She got a one sixteen for the win. I mean it solid enough. Nothing it nothing special. The runner up anonymity was coming off a layoff as she was a narrow. She was barely beaten. I think beaten a neck in Breeders Cup Filly Mayor Sprint when she finished third which he did get a great setup that day so I'm not picture. These two are really top phillies. Bob Baffert seems a spot Marley's freedom well but she she doesn't run great speed figures. She had a little run where she was running in the one twenties that she's a horse. I've really needs a good setup and she got it here. I'm not blown away by this Ritchie's a horse. I'd be against if she moved into. You know grade. One type raises that that Jerusalem real grade one horses unlike this one yeah Marley's freedoms a nice horse. I do think it's probably fair to say that she took advantage advantage of some weaker spots which <unk> big victories last year in a race like the Ballerina. I would imagine that race will come up tougher this year because there are just <hes>. It seems like there's more depth to the division this year there was last year whereas Marley's freedom was Kinda. Just the the major player and everybody else was kind of on a lower tier <hes> but she's in racist like this can always very tough because she could run these figures in the high one teens up to one twenty and the other horses at this grade to grade three level. Just can't quite achieve that <hes> I thought rain Van Dyke gave her a great ride on this race saving ground early tipping off the rail in the stretch and <hes> she just easily won. I assume it's going to back up to tougher races from here. I guess we'll see if baffert runs or at del Mar or chooses to point to a race like Ballerina once again <hes> but I do think with worse like Mr out there potentially even some of the three year old sprinters running comparable speed figures already this division could get a lot tougher by the fall yeah no doubt a final race will talking about on the podcast this week was the park stash from parks and Pennsylvania and I think this was actually the highest time formula speed figure of the week <hes> pure sensation. He's just always so dangerous at parks. I believe he's now six or seven over that of course there. I think he's actually three for four this race. He's on three additions part stash and five furlongs. It's his trip. He's never mind a little given the tour of course and he got both of those those things on Saturday and just put down a huge huge upper he did like you said that one twenty eight was the top one that we talked about. I think it was a top figure of the weekend anywhere. <hes> good effort at part of the is the track he loves parks as you said he is six of seven whereas the seven of twenty six everywhere else which is is hardly a disgraceful. I mean is a really good tough eight-year-old but he loves parkside so I'm not going to be overly anxious the bedroom if he ships up the Saratoga Toga or he's even shipped the del Mar in the past where I'm one of their sprint stakes out of there so though it's a big number and he's done it before at parts. He never seems to carry it over to other tracks this by getting bet so good effort. He's really cool orse one of my favourite horses you know unless he runs at parks again which I think they have a another big sprint coming up <hes> before the Breeders Cup kind of Breeders Cup Turf Sprint Crap <hes> I'll be against him in that big number that he got yeah I agree it was kind of perfect storm for him to run one of these gigantic races which I've seen him before in this part stash he just is able to put up those huge speakers of parks did not do it other places but I do just want to highlight for a second doc in his career because he's eight years old now and he's just been at the top of the sprint division for so long right there I mean maybe he's a couple of the best at this point in his career but I mean he's coming into this race now. He's one of his last five so we still winning races. <hes> just going back to the beginning. Promise Urva appear sensations career I mean he was running against some horses that are sires. Now I like Byron and Honor Code in Corfu and his debut. I mean this is cool to see him that he's been around for this log and been at this high level of performance for so long just a really neat horse yeah he is. That's why he's one of my favorites. I mean he just shows up and gives his best every time I love forces that are fast like him and just go for the lead nutty and he doesn't have to have the elite he he's come from off the pace the win before but just a really cool horse and so I said I'll be against them. You know if he shows up at Saratoga out certainly wouldn't be upset if he won. Love seeing horses like this and I hope he sticks around a few more years. I agree with that. Those are all races will talk about on the podcast this weekend. I'm sure we're GONNA have a lot more to talk about. In the coming weeks with Saratoga getting started this week in del Mar <hes> starting very soon <hes> so the stakes races will start rolling in top.

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Part 3:Mike Welsch,Ed DeRosa

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Part 3:Mike Welsch,Ed DeRosa

"Sirius Xm forts presents. Raises with Steve horseracing covering interviews. This alloys who will stupid we're back. We'll call it. Our three. The archive will be put up in three separate hours starting with each of the tops and happy to get Mike Welsh in for a visit. But Mike some some weather pass through there. That kind of leaves The Friday and the players. A little title You know kind of fish tailing a little bit off the turf. Good Morning. Good Morning Steve. Yeah it passed through and it's still still still passing and there's more rain to come But we got a real downpour around six thirty this morning. Real heavy stuff And unfortunately see they had not seal the track before the rain hits or some of that water got into it then they sealed it up so you got slap on top who knows what underneath and terrorists today so and this weather's GonNa supposedly continue for several more hours or a couple of hours so It's not getting any better. I mean the problem. Is We know what it's bringing bringing his today but I have to say what impact is going to have is the weekend progressive. There's no more rain in the forecast but that turf course to take a lot of a lot of water so even if we're back on tomorrow the prospects that could be tomorrow and Sunday less than term costs for sure. Well we'll talk about The Salani River in a minute minute And happens to be a good field and interesting race and we're also GonNa talk about that maiden special seventh going a mile in eighth Race that has got real potential to produce take courses at least once course winter And Not Necessarily for the fountain which you know is kind of looming but Down down the road before we do that Mike. Let's get a quick review in of last weekend and Tis the law and your postscript thoughts to his laws performance. I I thought it was an excellent performance again. He didn't get the cleanest of trips It looked like the strategy was get him off the rails so he sought. It didn't get into that. That same situation that occurred at Churchill in his two year role and Allie but He got lucky. It didn't happen again. I mean he Many Franco had him out into the first turn. But then wound up getting pushed down into the rail Took them a while to get him back outside luckily He he didn't get pinned in and they're trying to do that. Cost two three four lane type thought But he just asserted his class edge was able to Draw away to I thought was very impressive. Effort he got a yeah. You got a buyer for So all in all black. He was very very pleased with the raised. And I don't blame him and now are we going to have to make a decision beck start You did Derby or the Florida therapy makes more sense. Probably just stay here not not ship. You know there are some things. He likes about Louisiana the mile and three sixteenths It gives them an extra week to the Derby but then again after ship and handle the racetrack that You don't know whether he's going to handle as well as knows handle this went. So I guess when the smoke clears Barring any crazy going on I think he's GonNa Wind Up. Just stand right here and running next in the Florida Derby Tis the law and the Constitution Colt for Zaka Toga. We also should mention mentioned the FAA Indian. Mike Eleven and change clear of Toledo. And I tell you in the end I mean Patrick Cone. Cohn he's also got the slave allante running tomorrow at Tampa Patrick making these horses interchangeable on turf and dirt. Yeah no he ran real well. Don't take nothing away from his performance but You know he was. He was clearly second-best to to to the law. And I I guess they there's still progress on the derby trail wine dot He may just be a notch below. And maybe even better on the turf and maybe that's something to look forward to but It was an excellent effort and he stole a horse. It probably has Upside going to get better with more experience. Give us your take as well on on the sprint race at Mischievous Alex. Excuse me we talk to John Service the other day a terrific effort and the Gotham looks like it's next the one one turn mile and then maybe they'll entertain a to turn race but you can tell that chugs acne and served as field that you know that he's ultimately a one turn horse down the road. Green Light goes performance and chivalry What what what's your takeaway from this? Well well I gotta give those guys credit especially John Service a resistant patient. Go Right into something like the fountain. Have you tried to turn next with them and see John's pretty adamant that say he's convinced it's really doesn't want to go beyond the bile Unless you see something different down the road in the morning or maybe in his beck starred He's GonNa keep in the mid one term but that was magnificent. Give us performance at the wild up in a dual The difference between His strategy and the strategy with the law when his law was down there. Manny Manny Franko just grabbed. The back took them outside. gave away some lanes where I read He could have done. That resisted the temptation to get in that two three three her speed through but steady held his position on the rail and destroying offic winning for fraud Again like the law but if you could take it back and come around he probably GonNa win anyway but maybe not as much as he did but it was. It was a super effort. It was the second straight. Win one-sided win since the blinkers on a obviously has made a big difference focusing him up a little bit and He's GonNa get even better with core experience so I think he got a ninety three buyer. You're probably could have gone higher Iraq. Let him brought out at the end. What what a Jimmy? After say about green light go and using this as a launching pad ad for whatever is going to come next for him People are going to start to abandon ship on him as a as a major three year old without a step forward zone. I I do not speak Jimmy. I think Marty was reaching out to him But the you know he really didn't have he you know he didn't have the cleanest trips but When he got free down on the inside he really didn't kick on out for second by Chivalry I don't know you know it's hard hard to say what they're GONNA do next. I haven't spoken to them but we will. We will get something out of him and the next Within the next few days and and see what direction they're heading. I'm sure they're going to stay the path again stretching about and try back around turns and see what happens from there. Has she ever read. I actually spoke to Ralph Knicks this morning. And they're undecided. What's GONNA be next year heavy obviously Hoisted shows up every single time. But What they're GONNA do next? He he really hasn't made a decision yet The reason I talked to Ralph was leaves. Lucky charm were work yesterday. Work well It's coming out of seven for a long wind up at Tampa and his next stop is either going to be found. The use of the risen star rows go to evaluate evaluate both races and try to make a decision on what fits best nice and speaking of showing up beside Liam's lucky charm. What happened to chance and and as seen on TV that that seemed ticketed for the Holy Bowl? I think right out of the race. He he mentioned the holy goal. Oh but I think as he thought about it in a week or two went by. That was a pretty grueling affect for for that horse and he came to the conclusion that if he ran it back in the Fountain of youth that had another kind of gut wrenching race that It might not do well. You know for the Big Big One here the the Florida Derby so he decided to back off on him a little bit give him time you just point them for the Fountain of Youth Next instead instead of trying to get all these races in four four races a year would just be too much much. Man's holy bull found you so so I think he did the right thing He's easing back in On his workouts now and He should have a prime for big race from the Fountain of Youth. And of course that is it's going to be waiting for them. They're not sure As far as Kelly Green with what he's doing I think it's either going to be the fountain of the Doctor Hints as well. Mike we should fold in the two three year olds from last Saturday. That won a maiden breaker and and actually both a maiden breaker I should say and won a first time starter and Jimmy Jerkins for chiefs would and edge afire who won one stylishly In a race came back slow and then Palm Springs. Who Wins at one to two over a first or Mr Candy Reid Who is going to be a very short price for Kenny mcpeek? When he runs back yeah go? Nine dollars is really super impressive. They want races aces on easily. Looked like he was loaded. The whole wave with again like you said that race came back slow. I don't think it was really clutch. It there that he BP's Eh so. I think that school is out on him. You know he might be always again. Look freeze and eighty so Maybe the queen's closes he just down the road there but In top source was a little disappointing. I mean He. He didn't win but he was all to do. So one to two or whatever you finally went off fat so I think he's been a little disappointing. He was Hype pretty good when he showed up the first time got a little trouble came back and won the second time but but had to work hard to do it so Yeah I'm not sure what is going to be x ray him. I haven't talked to todd. Specifically East. Got A lot of up and coming. Three year olds the breakers other that Hopefully for him one or two will sort themselves out quite a bit. The big dance in a couple of months well and speaking of todd and maiden breakers was only six furlongs but how about eve of war on Sunday the declaration of war Philly in Ada buyer fire in a very impressive effort. Yeah I don't think there was much behind her either but Once he made the leap that one was over there was doubt about it and it was a it was a very very impressive performance. We'll see if that race gets flattered on Saturday as one of her workmates. Workmates comes back on Saturday on Sundays. Used me in the main special eight to six thousand eight. starlet daydream was a workmate of of that horse. Out of the gate a couple of weeks ago up there at Palm Beach Town. She's she stretching out she's going to run six and a half The one the other day was only six but Looks like a good spot for her to start things off to and she's all Ampara Racing Club along with spent farms so So be a few extra fans in the building. Trump the Racing Club York doc racing. I love it I love it and I think you'll see her getting better and better than heavily the other one just once people realized what is it they will work mates and that was impressive last week. So we'll see if if the duplicate the performance or at least come close enough to that Avatar at least win win first time out well and even war I mean this is this is. This is a flip thing for me to say but I. She could have competed in the forward Gal as a first time. Starter being totally shape won. And congratulations at all but that race came back. Yeah I mean painfully slow. Yeah I mean strictly numbers. Yeah believe a would've wanted me for a gal because we know the numbers different as far as the heart of the competition. Sometimes it was one of those Kinda dumpers not let alone to just cruise on the Fred like that. That might not have been the case in the that photo gallery. Yes I did come back slow as they wrote the clock report on. tonal this shape coming into the race. She didn't seem to be working as well. Well it's coming into the GAL. She had the previous race. And certainly your performance was not as strong as it wasn't the previous rates but again the race came up saw. There really wasn't much in there the one I thought would give her a challenge the marquette. US really didn't didn't fire her best effort either. Either so Totally shape did win but came back with seven fire. We'll we'll see what happens. Look interesting to see how she comes out of it and how she trains up to the next one. It kinda kicks forward or she just seems to be on that same path that she was coming in here. I we like I said I've seen much better morning activity out of her pride. Where previous starts coming into the Ford Gal well and I should mention You know everybody goes crazy. Whenever Ron by LUCI does Something unusual and starting Nikki. And Papa crazy like a Fox as as the debut or gets black type graded black type in her debut. Yeah I mean look at turned out the right move. I mean. She's certainly would've got one that bathing raise the next day at dot source so But but before you know he's coming I know he ran third graded stakes in her debut with a horrible start. You know she got about fifty five fire out of it. Yeah I mean it was a slow race. Third third was a good move on his part. I mean now. She is graded stakes place about what happens down the road She's GonNa have that going for and I again. In the clock report. We did have some good works on her. She had shown some promise in the morning. I think I wrote. She had some talent as last last comment on her going into the race but You know hopefully. Now they're not gonNA get too over the top on her and Trier Trier back in another graded stakes. I would hope they go back into a main race letter grenades and then the law so they accomplish what they wanted to Ron. I did on Saturday Getting graded stakes place but I I'm hoping that she's not gonNA show. I say not. Show up in a graded take time to because she did finished third off obviously troubled eventful trips. Well and then the two the two turf races we should throw in in to cheer Meister on the Front End for our Mondale Serta and our Amedeo and that was a very heady performance and ride and I I was kicking myself afterward because I thought she had a chance to do exactly that Mike and I bet it right and then feel pass the lemon drop kid. Mike Baker Dania Beach. This is this is just the maker the maker playbook yeah I mean when it comes to turf racing interpret aside from Chad nobody does. It better really bikes the bulk of his stable. The strength of the stables certainly in the turf ended and You know little under the radar baby. Sometimes but Sam I was GONNA say. For a bestial Howard beale maybe a little under the radar year In in this powerful jockey colony and you know after a day like yesterday when you see what I rat and Louise Southie dominating dominated with I think they won seven at the ten races on the card yesterday. the first six for sure but Midfield that's a good job. especially he's aggressive. He takes advantage vantage of his horses when they have a little early gas. And that's not such a bad thing to have on this racetracks hats off to him. He's had quietly with meat himself. Mike Let's talk about tomorrow and maybe a yielding turf course or a good turf course for the Salani River the mile in the eighth for the phillies. He's and mayors Chad Brown's brings back magic star. Who debuted is a three-year-old smashing in the Marshall was river and Do we have to the you know how much how much beyond that we have to discuss starship. Jubilee now seven years old of course She's coming back at the sunshine. Millions turf what do you think Tomorrow I'm guessing you believe probably going to be the favorite just so she has a pretty pretty good following around here and rightly so. She's won nine races at Gulfstream Park. You know she's a popular form of sixteen thousand dollars claimer. I think valid grade one winner is one that grade one not too long ago over at Woodbine Woodbine last fall as she came back in the sunshine. Man's I want again at two to five Got Away with You know room. You know almost like a trotter pays on the front end or comparatively so twenty five and change. That race was over after the first quarter. This is a little different group. Might not see the front. Probably won't see the front is readily if she gets the front at aw in here so she might be vulnerable and I gotta say I wasn't just I mean I know it was like an easy half mile gave it but it's just didn't seem that a lot the energy at the end of that work the other day. So she's coming back a little too soon. I don't know I I. I went for Magic Star. You know this is a Philly. That's just the looks like she's going to get better and better. She's only became a great three winners stars. So what does that tell you And I think if you get just a little bit of taste help upfront. She's GonNa need some help you know with the pace because she with her running style I went back to magic star chat and maybe because of these Chads and coming without the great three win and Iran's honor she will be the favorite in here. But you got Louis is on starship. Jubilee Interesting Point Castellano Rhode starship jubilee victory in the sunshine millions turf yet. He chose to stay with Chad Brown and ride because other injuries happening. I'm today so Understand why I mean obviously does a lot of writing Khun Chad and now a lot of Kevin Itar puts the you know. Sasha Sashi jubilee is going to be a show the price tap today if you're handicapping as an agent and a writer you would take starship jubilee. But if you're looking at your business overall business you want to keep Chad happy you go well. That's the Salani River earlier on the card about two hours earlier the seventh race is going to be closely watched Mike Mike. Here's a mile and an eighth on the main track. And this is a serious serious grope you know let the if they are. I mean from a buyer standpoint and from a past performance ban point a lot of them are just okay so far but they're lightly raised eligible move forward again question embark on many of these Turns the mile and the name not too many of them have been around two turns before spots probably going to be the favourite for finishing second. GET BEHIND KIRO In a maiden race going a mile I read stick stick's with him And he's a horse. It probably should move forward again Dan so he's going to have to work out a trip post as not the best post going a mile and in that short run through the first turn same goes for all is west coming up that second. The CARPI ominous the copy ominous disappointing Running in an allowance race earlier in the week he's going to get a lot of money buyer wise. And just the Jason Service the traitor there But he's got post nine two so I'm a little against him. He's going to have to work out a trip and also stretch out from three quarters to a mile and an eighth so downing. You've got the clutch got unrighteous. Who looks like he shouldn't prove off his first start at mile also coming out of the car car race? Chad Brown is telephone talker. Is the interesting horse in the race because I taper to me he's probably the best with the As far as he's been to turns on the turf us been a mile in the main drag. But he's a hanging horse. Got Beat is a favourite two times in a row. He just The end of the races. He's losing ground to the home. So it's a kind of that the handicap. You'd probably want to play again. He picks up all the pieces in one here. It wouldn't surprise at least interesting and looking forward to the report On this race and and with horses having worked everywhere including Anthony Pecoraro. WHO's over at the calder? Coming off of a bullet Yay. Fortunately we don't we don't call I've only seen Outta here in his holy move. Chacho is actually putting lingers on. That had a pretty good work with blinkers on on the twenty fifth but he's posted in the widest but the ball. So that's it's not a good thing these kind of racist and several of these have been over west with you. Don't have a clock over there but We do have reports on on both the Taj and nine all the others that are coming from From Palmetto still. We'll sing wine too If you don't have anywhere to patient so he's a player in his first race was it was pretty good back bell. Mind in the fall With the bug rider on. I've gotten some early trouble. And now he gets at guards. Blink is was on so he he's also. I think there's a pretty wide open race. I I had trouble here is about five or six I was finagling with. I went to spot city but You know that was a lot of confidence for for several reasons. Mike any opinion on Tampa Bay Derby at all Tampa Don Davis. I'm you know I'm really interested in seeing independence hall rates to lose. I think he's very very good You'll have to behave themselves so a little better than last time and Both in the paddock and in the gate. So I think that will go a long way. Tampa basic cost. But he's been there he's been working on it Michael Dmitri got him up there in plenty of time to school and to get over that race track so I think everything being equal. He should win. Georgia's is pretty pumped on the horse. He's he's taking up there but you know he's been a little funky through this stretch in his races. I actually talked about that. A couple look days ago and he fakes his I caught the little set the TV. Gee Us is near the sixteenth pole. Yes he's I think that might be the reason that kind of lost his. His cop is focused in the stretch. Run drifting out kind of wandering around in those races so okay he he's pretty pomp dot said. He's done great since his last race. He thinks they'll handle the distance and he's using this as a test to see what he's GonNa do down the road. He says if I I don't get finished. First and second get within a few lanes of independence all he's talking about taking them Along with shots Divi for the for a million dollar race there. It's you know it's a derby would be nice if I get to the point where I don't think I'm at the level of Derby Horse. I could still go to buy and win a million dollar race or whatever that's the three year old is there On the Dubai World Cup under guard. That will be where he'll go next if he doesn't win if he wins or runs the good seconds. Go Back Derby Florida excellent. Might this tremendous. I appreciated your route in any need. You got any any player in the room the next three days for the contest. I you know if you guys I and this My buddy clock at Johns. There you know or or Stephen so those are my guys so I'd like to see one of those guys. Come out on top of excellent now Mike. Thanks so much. We'll catch up next week. Okay APP DR. Welsh everybody and the clock report this weekend in every weekend as the Gulfstream season now really clicking along and between Donald Harris at Palm Meadows and Mike at Gulfstream and Dave Norton at Palm Beach Down Sir Edward Rosa Edge. Rosa is is close. By if I if I had one of those things one of those phone. What are those APPs about proximity? Ed would be you know like an Uber. Like an Uber Map. Ah Ed would be very close. But he's he's stuck upstairs in the twin spires sweet where he's handling the needs of of the twin spires fire's players. How many you got here at Think we well. People are on twin spires about a third of the field but active brick net users Say About Ninety Five. I think we had a nice Yeah glad glad to be here to help them out and they're getting their. PP's sweet got him Shirts and pants and hopefully get a few on the final table. Excellent excellent and at some point you you are they gonNa let you out of that room or or are you. Are you all my usual I tried to get down for the first mandatory. I feel by that point. Everyone's in the room and then there's no point me just sitting here but obviously I if any player And think they forgot her need. I'm happy to run and get them a book for track or something but yeah I'll be down for the mandatory accent my Twitter video Wednesday for those who misfits. I'm pretty excited that everyone's in the same room. I think that's really going to add to the AH level of agreed. And everybody's very comfortable with the accommodations and right into they've all gotten into championship mode and should be a terrific three days our coverage continues. Today this is always the longest day For for for me on the broadcast side where we do the morning show and then come back and a couple of hours. We'll be on between two and two thirty eastern time and streaming at the website and we'll send those links out but the big dot com and listen live over the next three days. Essentially two o'clock till eight o'clock o'clock Friday Saturday and Sunday. Ed Let's talk about a few of the topics from the week. I had K. K.. Here Kevin Kirstein. Of course WHO's playing in the he. NHCD and we talked about the decision making process for the second pool. The Derby Future Wager and there was some consternation. Her nation from some quarters about some of the inclusions in the omissions. Tough job having done it before You know with John and Mike and Brad Free Health out back in the earliest Two thousand ten and You know when when you have twenty three to choose from. Obviously there's there's a pretty robust bubble A few of the The the one is a is a ragged guy and and I understand I understand why is on there so. It's not even consternation that they've chosen but I I really hope Crocker takes any sort of money because I just don't see it with him is a derby horse and Any money potential value elsewhere. Obviously he's not going to be one of the favorites Ritz because the lawn independent Paul. He wins I would have to think we're going to be the clear first and second choices of the digital I based on their feed that I just. I wouldn't play for a nickel so hopefully you know a few months out. It's tough to find value. It's it's tougher to find value. I'm fine saying that whenever para mutual. There's an opportunity when people are betting horses. I'll definitely be taking a look and Bayton Vatan as a horse. I'm certainly not giving up on working studying for fees down fairs around Isn't as fast as some of these but a move forward would make him so so. I'm hoping he gets ignored. He would be worth a look for me at number But obviously independent Paul's going to be a big fast around P runs off the screen. There's there's GonNa be a rush to him hopefully that means value elsewhere. Yeah and for those is that that haven't played futures before and they're trying to figure out. Well how do I determine a horse now for for Derby Irby. Well you're trying to imagine what the the rest of the lead up to Derby is GonNa look like for them. You know where it's where you was think they're competing where they are right now and if they go forward and whether they go forward and win crap or hit a couple of boards and perhaps wraps however you can envision it and I keep going back to three technique as the example. Here's a horse. That's fifty to one morning morning. Line is probably going to be thirty one or you know. It's probably between thirty. It looks like ours. That'll be thirty four to one thirty six to one on Sunday tonight. There's a horse that you watched finish well in the Smarty Jones and you can you can. Basically project continued Tinubu improvement the established himself as a two year old. That I think that's the kind of horse you're looking at and you're and what you're saying to yourself is. What is the price you said at five fifty five on Sunday night and if this horse moves along the trail what is he going to be Derby Day potentially and so horse like that if if he wins if he wins the rebel or or or whatever? He's probably fifteen to one shot in derby baby that that's your process. I mean that's what you're what you're trying to do mentally year and for me a spin on that is. I don't like playing horses. The WHO need to win to keep their price You know we've seen countless times horses who actually go higher in the Derby than they were uncertain future pools and part of that is because they're coming off a win and in his twenty Horsfield people like one and can be very unforgiving in this game often on fairly early so but it is what it is of losses and I. I definitely don't like being in a spot. Like with the Tisza law or independent hall. Where they they lose rate then I think this is a deep enough groups that even if they are the best possible that you're looking at higher prices down the road then you're going to get on Sunday night exactly that? That's the whole thought process putting this together Ed Speaking of the law and and others and some of the ones that to have a run and run successfully including Tis and Max player thousand words from last weekend. What was your synopsis from last week? I'd eat some crow. Honestly I mean I was against his lawn is three to five. I don't mean being. I don't mind the against shorter price. you know that's fine but I didn't have my my derby top ten I definitely undervalued the trouble adding the Kentucky Jockey Club. We talked about it last last week and I I was just I was just wrong. I mean there's nothing to knock To me about that performance last week and You know the Derby trail we talk about not getting married to opinions on how good horses and you know just kind of going down that rabbit hall where you should keep going back to the well sort of confirmation bias but you know the opposite's true horses maybe you don't like and he's one brand new these values not going to be there. I'm not saying oh now I got a bedroom the derby future but This is to me very serious racehorse. I thought that performance was as good as I can remember this early in the year. Sure and You know brisk feed rating wise. It was one of the fastest by three year old. In January and February we started putting numbers out nineteen ninety so I was wrong and certainly looking forward to what Barclay does zone from here but you know it short prices. That doesn't mean I'm looking at him again but from a you now accepting the performance standpoint he he wild me how about the thousand words and Roy lacked and that group and the winners group. Yeah you know match Max player Pretty much how I I drew it up. I mean sometimes the PP's sticks out in big big bold letters. He was the only horse figure to be running late and You know very competently written fade out of trouble and and excel celebrated with to So I think would need to find another move forward with some of the top one thousand words to me. More of a workman like Approach to and and granted he. Just you know run of not just wrong but you know South dirty wasn't that far back by today's standard and and He's another one. I think after what we saw needs to move forward based on the top one but I I still like them. The Best of the BAFFLER. I'm I need to see be more from authentic and I'm just going to run this Apollo thing into the ground even though justifying This group has to be go deep enough. I think foundations going to be important. It's a two year old fair enough fair enough. We're going to actually get tight on time. And I know you WanNa want to get a player to there's there's Frank Angst and Franken for coverage for bloodworks Well definitely talk to frank over the next three days What do you plan this weekend when he got Well I'll lightning round. Pick three that and in the SAM. F Davis I really like flame. Debbie and Santos race. Nine grand motion Just left left with too much to do a wide trip and the DEM oiseaux gets comeback to between or distance here. has some speed and and I like the switch to John Velazquez just looking at the losses on her page seemed like jockeys really never wanted to make a move with her outside all the time she has some speed to us. Here is the shortest distance. So at nine to to blame Debbie in the Sun Coast Also at nine two in the Tampa Bay Hamry for Mike Maker who is Having quite the winter So we'll we'll go with Mike. Yeah Do Alpha got it done two weeks ago. I think embry We'll have some pace of clothes into In the Tampa Bay and then Sam f Davis. We'll see how much they bet independent independent Paul But we also coming out of That New York weekend This one in the male counterparts rhames in Just was never getting shot the way that race unfolded another one. WHO GETS to cut back to Shorter distance from the nine furlongs in December and With the Rail I would look at ten independence hall. Yeah Fair enough And I I was surprised when I sat down and looked at this On Thursday night and a fairly unabashed trauma fan and been friendly with Mike for a long time on and it Kinda rooting here For the source but this is not If there was the consideration or people thought that this was just going to be a set of tomato cans. It's not and now. And then there's the whole Premier Star pace scenario. There's nobody to run with him early period unless somebody is aggressively ridden our our man. Gus Pick so we talked about earlier. Okay he he did my podcast and it was great to finally meet them in person and I mean he made good cases this format and it all comes down to what they had on independence hall. I agree with you when they targeted this race. So you know. I guess it wouldn't be three year old debut but you know basically. The meat of the season starts here and So good five. He'll be one to ten and then the field came out and say. Wait a minute here. These forces can run And he's the deserving favourite but you know three to five against this group I think Not a reprisal is the law. I was against the best price too. But they're look here at the right price. Well and you get you get the Get the variation. The variable this is Tampa Bay now. Granted the Nice thing is that at least Mike and Mike made the dedicated decision to bring him there and so he's worked in Gallup's daily over the track that is a that is a a big feather in his cap because that's quirky goofy place that some more says show up and just don't Don't care for and you know it's funny. You mentioned Ed Gusset so you guys go to you. Guys have the same barber I think and real quick we did have the same dinner last night and wrote you're happy. I was over the moon. I I thought it was a phenomenal experience and I would encourage people to read up on it before committing for the evening Because it's it's Hi Brid Entertainment You know type of thing but We had a blast and the food was fantastic so done yeah good good good recommendations. EJ To everybody and all the the good luck to all the twin spires players twin spires weekend review actually. And we're going to be back with you in two to fifteen streaming on the website will send out the links everywhere if you haven't listened to the coverage of the show at at H. See your infor- for I think a treat. It is three wheeling and fun and a lot of different things get covered in addition to the action and plus we cut in on races and we had to cap on the fly eighteen hours between now and Sunday night. Basically two eight tonight Saturday and on Sunday WanNa thank hammer and Jeff Taylor bit Marty McGee Nick Tammaro. KK Kevin Kirstein. Mike Welch cuss Alonzo. And Ed de Rosa and Casey on the board back with you with an H C coverage at the VIC DOT com a couple of hours. Thanks everybody good luck this weekend with Steve on Sirius. XM radio developed by horsemen. 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PART 1: Mark Casse , Mike Stidham

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PART 1: Mark Casse , Mike Stidham

"Sirius x._m. Ports presents with steve big a horse racing handicapping interviews. This is stupid in very good labor day race fans sirius x._m. To a one sport so nine sixty four listen to sirius awesome online at our website as well steve dot com from rainy upstate new york the to some degree the the season ends little bit the way the way it started when we had the the wet weather to contend with then we had the heat and then we had had a terrific extended period culminating over the weekend yesterday and and really on saturday just the glorious beautiful and yesterday described this describe to some degree as travers to with. I lines up and down union avenue for those of you there were around or some of you may have seen pictures whenever there's a new <music> giveaway whenever there's something that patriots around these parts haven't seen before you know something different <hes> this time a zipper sweatshirt and <hes> it was insane. I went into do t._v. And and you can tell right away you can always tell when you're on the oklahoma side based on the parking and i it was insane and and then getting getting back around leaving the capital oh t._v. T._v. studio we had really nice sendoff. The loose on the lead seth and i and mrs weber joined us as well as jimmy jerkins but the oh boy the place was absolutely a mob scene. Today will not be as i don't think we'll be as festive live in and well attended unfortunately labor day the this is not an ideal circumstances thunderstorms rattled through here about <hes> about an hour man man our change ago and it seems the rain all night long <hes> way went to bed it was raining got up a couple of times or a couple of different junctures and it was raining steadily so here's the here's the scenario <hes> especially for those that are looking forward to playing the empire empire six. The four south is almost eight hundred thousand and you gotta figure you gotta figure four and a half times i would think easily <hes> so the thing should should be four million. I imagine and we'll have to wait for some off turf decisions because the seventh race this is just in the sequence the bernard baraga courses staying on the turf as as is the first race but the third fifth and seventh are off third fifth in seven third is a forty claimer for three year olds exclusively we actually and then there's a starter allowance that does have three m._t._o.'s in the fifth so the anchor leg of the early pick five but the the the seventh race there's two m._t._o.'s but frankly there's a couple of horses that are likely to stay in in the seventh that that that seems to be actually more than the m- more than a couple <hes> the m._t._o.'s don't look all that that potent which is a bit of an oddity <hes> you got. You got at least three here. I i happen to make an o._t. Notation tation when i was handicapping yesterday knowing that <hes> storms were headed our way and danny california the two pipes hypes the three and the ten even spectator sport <hes> i thought were all horses that moved up considerably off the turf half so we'll see and by the time we talk to nick tomorrow in our three the scratches will be out so that'll make it easier and you know certainly those of you that are gonna play the empire six. I will certainly join you and i you know i tried to get it written up but i kinda paused a little bit you once it became apparent what was going to happen so you know after we get off the air <hes> we'll finalize the last six races and will obviously talk more about what's going on today. There's a lot of overlap. What a what a terrific weekend racing so far. There's still plenty of holiday monday <hes> racing to look forward to including a couple of venues folding in <hes> like they did on saturday saturday. It was kentucky downs of tremendous opener. They had <hes> just a a fabulous day. They're hammered checked in with me. It was just you could tell he was just giddy about the the whole the whole scenario being there and he's doing a lot of racing office catchall responsibility you know kind of kind one of a firefighting scenario and they had a terrific terrific opener and those of you that listen to jeff bloom earlier in the week. Thank you may have jumped aboard. <hes> snapper sinclair and <hes> terrific effort he comes back wins again and you know isn't that the theme that one of the themes teams that we touched on horses that have run well. I kentucky downs have a tendency to it'll come back and do well again and snapper sinclair claire wins that tourist mile and will steve ashington obviously but when i talk about the overlap you look at virtually the all the venues that had stakes action so far and in particular mike's that and mark asi mike trump batta graham motion all with multiple stakes winning efforts from their horses over the weekend. We'll we'll talk to mike stadium. In this hour. We'll talk to cassie as well <hes> jimmy jerkins. I was told jimmy yesterday that we talked to him on radio but then the more i think about it this morning morning. Maybe we'll wait. I this is one of those roll the dice <hes> if if green light go wins the hopeful well then you got a double the conversation to talk about with jimmy because in the woodward on saturday preservationists by the terrific terrific perfect ride junior alvarado so good <hes> particularly to turning and preservationists after the what kind of a meltdown whitney day and jimmy explained his explained repeatedly now <hes> what was it at fault there or what was that issue with the the full fledged older horse <hes> a little bit interested in one particular philly. I didn't get into it with jimmy yesterday on t._v. But <hes> jimmy says there was one philly around the barn barn that was making preservation nuts and <hes> they they did some maneuvering and got her out of site and <hes> and maybe who knows maybe down wind of him as well <hes> because it's a distraction distraction for for working professionals of all sorts and preservationists strictly business what a what a fun and good woodward it turned out to be and we'll talk to jimmy either later today or tomorrow but a big chance the the hopeful starter today green light go for jimmy. I said to him yesterday. How many horses have you started over the years and the hopeful awful. I i kind of poked around. I couldn't find any and he said this is my first so so jimmy's betraying twenty twenty two years and with the kind of operation that the jimmy has and the the you know the way he operates not totally surprising not not known as a a two year old specialist but this one is a big talent and green light go today against three asmussen runners in the hopeful doc i mentioned cassie and what went on with him and of course the win yesterday by perfect alibi up the rail aratu ortiz junior and perfect alibi with a <hes> a little daring do inside the sky mesa philly for the farmers and perfect alibi takes the spin away so that was just one of the highlights of kassy's weekend because of course it woodbine. You never have to worry that that he's not you know not scoring up there and <hes> on saturday wins the passing mood with speedy soul another super speedy super speedy is getting runners of all ilk the very successful and at kentucky downs to cassie winners my guy miguel main booting home apiece achieved in that juvenile and hanaway moon which was a nice little score in the one dreamer to start that stake sequence tyler leone and the malibu moon takes the one dreamer and so- cassie four four stakes wins so far march to the arch for mrs weber today in the bernard baruch and very seven horses in the abreu and it is super competitive chad brown with three and cassie and the kieran player kerr ban. Dan who's been kind of searching around for a win. You got a couple of long prices including noble indie nice no malindi the who'd been keeping company with vino rosso in the mornings and of course vino rosso a scratch on saturday morning. We'll talk to cassie asi. We'll talk to cassie. I actually after the break and then mike stood him. I mentioned mrs weber because she's the linchpin to michael trump bada trump better and live oak global access giant's causeway wins the saranac and what a what a nice horse. This is turning into the three year old. I just wanted to check the weights. He was one twenty two with johnny and is able to and by the time near the back of the pack and then rally and get by good governance who was also rallying at a very short price and prevail and then yesterday. I remember i i couldn't remember i. I know i had seen that one of them. Was there was a what mrs weber's i. I thought was cross entered. It wasn't across entry. It was super escape in the lalanne yet and at a nice price of their cassie also sent out a live oak runner but it was tremendous that upsets the lauren yet yesterday nine hundred dollar a widower so mike with <hes> wins on both sides of the border from mrs weber very nice there was grim ocean. Virginia derby haven't get to colonial and stood him. Who's is gonna join us. After cassie slim takes the virginia oaks and the kitten's joy he won the sorority down at monmouth and he also went up in canada because he won the onto the jockey club the ontario jockey club yesterday unbelievable powell so pretty crazy and then there's a gram ocean who won for calcium at the virginia derby and with mississippi be who was very good and who at i think what <hes> both a nick and did nick and i know nick like mississippi and she was very very good rosario aboard to take the glens falls the great sioux so we'll get to graham ocean as well so much talk about you got the second half on the boy side in california today. The futurity baffert in the debutante vast was very good saturday very good and what about the syllabus went holy cow a lot to do the syllabus. I mean that was that was <music>. 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This is the reason with sleepiq on much the we're back at the races coming up on twenty into our one one labour day always a terrific weekend racing and there is a terrific action coast-to-coast <hes> and i mentioned some of the venues that kind of jump in with del mar and saratoga philadelphia at park today you got the smarty jones of the kind of near close up prep for the pennsylvania derby and the turf monster as well and a very good supporting <hes> set of steaks extend and couple of maiden races for sixty thousand <hes> and speaking of getting ready for the pennsylvania derby. Even though we gotta talk about a bunch of steak winds for mark cassie asi war of will continues to prepare for the pennsylvania derby and looked superb yesterday and i i saw a little video clip. Let's talk about him. I bark congratulations on a great weekend and welcome back. Thanks for the thanks start with war. Well well because people might be. You know he's been quiet. You bypass the travers when you weren't satisfied with jim dandy <hes> performance and it looks like it's gonna pay off because he looks very good yeah he is. He's doing really well. I find steve that he does a little better when the it's a little cooler and we started getting some cool weather and he's just become a monster again and <hes>. I thought its work. Last week was extremely good and his work. Yesterday was was really really good as well so <hes> kind of looked at you know what what what happened after louisiana derby where we had that time between the kentucky derby and i felt like like winning the kentucky derby as good as he ever went into any race and obviously i think he was gonna run extremely well <hes> so <hes> we looked at that we talked about it and we figured let's just forget about the traverse and for the pennsylvania derby gives him a little more time between races well oh and by all rights the way the travers went <hes> d- kind of feels like you know. This may have been really a a win win on on a lot of fronts because <hes> looks like the the time of the year and the time <hes> the extra time off paying off and i. I'm not sure i'm not sure any of the three year olds were beating code of honor lasts a week ago. Saturday should shook ran him sparingly and and it paid hate off to me. It looked like you know as often happens. There's some tired three year olds right now so <hes> i'm hoping that we <hes> you know with just a little bit of a break that we have a bigger stronger cold and i think we do <hes> he's training like. I said he's trained really well. Well the other big three year old from the triple crown season sir winston not participating at this time but that didn't didn't stop you from winning a great one for the farmers yesterday congratulations thank you that was great yeah it. Was you know just wonderful wonderful. People <hes> tracy and carol and to win win for them. Was something special talk talk about perfect alibi we we discussed her already. <hes> earlier off the earlier success but this was this was really exciting and and <hes> and a little harrowing coming up the rail. I didn't realize until after the race. I knew it was tied in there. <hes> i mean julian did the heck's the job trying that not let us through. He did pretty well he could do but <hes> the good news for us is our phillies a big strong mayor. She's only seventeen hands tall probably weighs twelve hundred pounds and they're not going to bully her around not too many phillies that are gonna push around and and so she got in there got a little tight but <hes> she said well you wanna push push backs and <hes> i knew i could see your wii wii get through there and about the paul like if she could just get up heading had with that philly new she squirt on through you know um mm-hmm and she did and <hes> we're excited. She's she's <hes> hurl herself this morning. She walks around. You know like nothing happened and and <hes> now we're <hes> we're i. I'm fairly certain almost one hundred percent certain that the also by will be our next start now that makes perfect sense to <hes> and the opportunity to go to turns <hes> the the thing. That's happening for a big for a big philly as you mentioned. She's getting a lot of experience and she is obviously tractable and so it feels like you know she's she's becoming <hes> and has every opportunity you know to become a very very serious and dangerous philly heading towards breeders cup you know stephen and sometimes <hes> you know if you've watched me through the years. I tried to run horses whenever i feel they're ready to run and and i believe that every race is <hes> inexperienced in it in it makes make some better and you look at philly like her. <hes> almost seventeen installing your why would you ran when you ran or i run them. <hes> i had an enforceable enforceable who is the full brother to miami and a half iran him by tap it and <hes> iranian five eighths of a mile at churchill and <hes>. I got some emails questioning why i would do something that stupid since he was bred around long that i run and i think the experience <hes> you know pays off. I'd been waiting running along we finally we you know he ran and going a mile and the other day in one so he's getting to do what he wanted to do all the time but look at this philly had we sat on this silly she wouldn't be spin. I've been away with her right now. So i like running well and <hes>. If you get your hands on sky macy's on a regular basis this is so usually usually it's an oxley <hes> this one as we mentioned for tracy farmer at pin oak actually bred perfect alibi and another great one win for their breeding operation because <hes> last week last week. I think it was higher power that <hes> was also oh from pin oak and there's just no <hes> you know they. You couldn't ask for federal people they they. They do a wonderful job. <hes> i think <hes> the year before we you know we still have chocolate kisses mrs oxley. That is a really nice expelling that i i'm kinda gave her the dot stormy treatment. I went ahead and put her away for the for the fall in hopes of her coming back to be the bigger stronger <hes> four year old. You'll see me start doing that. I'll start laying off a lot of my three year olds. I'll give him some time and then i bring him back early part part of their four year old year so definitely pinot that's just tremendous job great breeders well and this is is this mayor has been very very productive. No use denying. She's a marinas bond a boy. This thing's got this oxley. This is actually written all over it. Ah jack jack by philly funny. We were laughing about it yesterday. If you saw the wind picture daqing debbie happy where they're <hes> because threes and the reason that i'm training for the farmers is because of oxley <hes> you know tracy had gotten out of the he had been running that's right that's right and years and <hes> <hes> dak kept saying to him and and i'm debbie as well you know why don't you give mark shot you know you'll and so we did it and <hes> you know i mean it's been unbelievable and and the funny thing is about the first six months or eight months we had no luck at all but and and i would call tracy and i'd say well tracy. I'm sorry and sake we'll get him next time never once did he ever you know he only thing i ever got was encouragement and and <hes> <hes> pre you appreciate that i had a similar situation with mrs weber about for the first six months i had horses for. I couldn't do anything right and she kept up saying well. We'll get them. We'll get him and <hes> and we have we did well and we're gonna talk about <hes> some of that too because obviously the <hes> the the live oak weekend <hes> continues to go beautifully. We got marched to the arch later today in the baroque <hes> over what is going to have have to be a yielding or or even softer turkey man. That's that's a little concerning to me. We'll say won't say he yeah he. He's run decent over yielding and good good her no question he likes it a little harder. I think i thought going going into this race with our turf. I didn't think they would beat him. <hes> now with it softening up. I think he's a little more you know can be a little taller task for him. Well and being inside to a lot of times. That's the that's the softest area not where you want to be well. Let's talk about where you were on saturday as well because what went on at the opening card at kentucky downs very very nice day and it started right at the beginning with handling moon who to me look a little bit like a beach ball in that spot and <hes> <hes> tyler gaff leon up the up the stretch not down the stretch <hes> pulls away yeah. You know what she's a philly interesting enough. <hes> i didn't have early on <hes> another trainer hatter and they ask her for a while denver ran or and <hes> he and brennan and <hes> who just tremendous job for stonestreet say. I really liked this philly. I just think she needs to run and <hes> so we got her and <hes> we ran her a couple times she getting very well and then we moved her up. Another one of these we moved to canada and and twit buying she started getting better and better and and she's just developed as she's gotten older. I mean her mother. I believe her mother getting really get good until he'll she was four but <hes> you know this is a perfect case where sometimes you just need to run them and the little will simply a little like sir winston i think too many trainers give up too early and and ask for too much and and <hes> are afraid to run them <hes> in in in the case of her if she you know it just took her awhile and she physically how she was the first foal out of that out of that quiet american mayor and a lot of times they can be a little bit. You know little bit smaller and they have to they have to really out. I'm this is big and beautiful yeah well. This is a big win for her and mile and seventy yards in this case and you also. What did you learn mark when you run run them at at kentucky downs for the first time. Is there anything you get also. Take away from the experience because it is so different. I don't know oh you know what steve i've had really good. Luck out of there. I mean we we <hes> couple years ago. Air force broke his maiden air and you know we came back. We won the bourbon. He got beat ahead in the breeders cup. It's <hes> you know they kinda like it or they don't like it but <hes> and it takes the kind of a strong minded horse there <hes> because it's kinda open and they're not used to it all and some of the horses sources reactive for to it than others but i don't know i've had gridlock out of out of there. <hes> i think the colt <hes> <hes> <hes> it's going to do really well when the turf steak with i think he's around him in the bourbon piece cheap and and <hes> you know scrape to have success for joe minor and i think we're going to run him in the bourbon. I think you'll see him in the breeders cup. I think he's a serious or well to win. Clear the way the way he did at peace achieved the declaration of war and you mentioned joe minor a new and i've talked about him a couple of different times. You got you got my guy aboard. <hes> in miguel maine who's one of my absolute favorites and mcgee eighty eight extremely good writer and he and he's good there too. I mean i we second with him. Once the we we read second amendment like thirty claimer of years ago and <hes> i think the world of him and now that he's eh rightful play for us. Absolutely stephen clarke to the foster clark yeah remember over was the foster clark stephen foster okay. I think you're right. I may be wrong but <hes> you talk about a beautiful horse piece. It's cheaper beautiful. Colty is so <hes> and i it was interesting because <hes> we didn't have any luck with five so pretty and she kinda lost it before or the race and i could see you're all upset and so i was watching him closely in the post parade and and warming up and he was cool as a cucumber so they're going to have a tough time beating and he went out and he ran his race and like you said it's not easy to clear down there and for him to win. The way did was impressive actually for hell hell a._m. Mood as well you know they won both one pretty impressively well and you mentioned you mentioned fly so pretty in the juvenile fillies race and you know she she kind of went around and it does feel like that's one of the one you kind of put a line through that giants kitten ran a huge race for breakfast she did. I found the other thing interesting recipe about at all. It's you know now with so many of the kentucky outfits stain in kentucky for the wintertime. I mean for the summertime <hes> c._l._l. Sparked courses are coming out and they're running l. Spark is tough. I mean i i know we ran in some too euro racist in the summer and if he added up the field they would cost a million and a half two million dollars so it's not the old ellis park anymore. It's <hes> you know when you win down there. You're doing incompetent. Well and alice produced three of the four steak winters in the sequence on saturday because because hanaway came out of the race allison and <hes> and and the other it's funny the other <hes> producer <hes> was mountaineer snapper sinclair right now even if you look at the horses that came out here toyota they got there. They got the you know. Their asses kicked. Did you happen to charlotte was on with us yesterday on t._v. And tap it to win came up and we'll talk about adam but she she said a lot of the babies are running out of that little track in kentucky indiana. I'm the ah she goes. I'm not going there during the summer. I i'm coming here to made me laugh. Knowing you know knowing what success the this <hes> program has been you know has been predominantly and and we talked about that often 'cause she's she. She <hes> uh well you. It's quite obvious you've seen struggle at saratoga years path and and <hes> one thing about me i try to i try to figure out figure it out and and <hes> so we change what we did at this year and you didn't see me bring a lot of the young horses and there was a reason for that and and <hes> so we talk about the you know live oak <hes> <hes> mr oxley <hes> even tracy farmer you <hes> <hes> you know i didn't bring all those young horses so we're getting them started either way. A lot of people would be surprised to know that this week one more to your rates than anybody else. North america and our earnings are far better than anybody else with two year old <hes> but you you. You probably haven't seen a whole lot of them because i we run them everywhere. Exactly where we you know. I like running a lot of my first. There's down at gulfstream because it's only three hours from our training center and you'll see me run them there but <hes> <hes> one thing about it the last time i looked i've seen right now. We're at somewhere about of horses that we broke young two year olds. We're at eighty. Percent of them started already. They're not too many outfits that can tell you that and that is because back. You and i've had this conversation. <hes> you know we have mitch. Downs has been with me forty years and we have we have just a wonderful cowling. I'm very proud of it and and a lot of success you're seeing what their young horses because of it and <hes>. I'm hoping that i think you're gonna see more of it. We're we're just kinda getting started well and speaking of ocala and that gives me the opportunity to mention <hes> you know for those of you have been following what's going on with the storm. They were very nervous. <hes> in ocala about you know the potential for the storm to rip through and inundate and that part of it at least has been somewhat <hes> <hes> alleviated with the the new path of dorian skirting up there <hes> but it it does look like we could be okay we normally <hes> the thing about ocala and i don't want to jinx it some woods but we're especially when it comes from the the the east you know we're a hundred miles or so in which always helps a little of course this. This hurricane is so large. I just i woke up. I woke up to o'clock this morning and thinking about the poor people i'd seen videos of a hamad on you know <hes> often we get upset because we have to scratch off or s- or our voice i doesn't run good or this or that really means nothing. We're so lucky just be able to be in the sport. We are in and and you know here. These poor people are fighting for their lives and think it puts things into perspective and i woke up to like this morning morning not worried about what i was thinking about the the poor people in the bahamas and hit by these hurricanes you know and so hard to leave your oh i understand you know and and i mean they're talking about. One island may be gone so just amazing. Did ah we continue to watch and we weren't sure if we were going to get a show in today or not and then things got a little bit a little brighter at least for for for broward county and continue to continue to keep the keep tabs lemme. Ask you about a couple of things stu. Since since we're talking little live oak <hes> the tap it to win <hes> here. We are a week later what <hes> where do you. Where do you think we're going to liam next. Well you tend to go to you. Tend to go where you had the most success and <hes> i keep thinking about wanting to have to turn race if these corner the breeders cup which i think he's probably right right now. Got as good a shot as anybody out. There and i think that i preferred you know. I prefer to get it to turn race into him. So i would say about a ninety percent chance he'll he'll. He'll end up at the breeders fraternity just because i can turn rates versus. The champagne yep makes sense <hes> and i we've heard <hes> we're hearing that <hes> a couple of different places including including from jimmy the <hes> jerkins kinda speculating about how we might handle green light go of course they've. He's got an agenda today. He's got a they got the hopeful. I and it looks like a a good with group <hes> mark. I don't wanna leave. Kentucky downs either without mentioning a good effort at first premio in the tourist mile nothing wrong with that try now. I thought you know again another brilliant ride by miguel and <hes>. I thought he might get there for a second we were we were doing the jumping up and down. He's he's extremely nice nice. I <hes> probably enjoyed. It's a little time between races so sure that race the other day the best writes it was a big effort. He's just a he's a beautiful horse. <hes> appreciate so you know team valor giving us the opportunity and <hes> <hes>. I think you'll be hearing from him for a long time very nice. First premio continues can use on let me ask about <hes> to some action yet to come today. We mentioned march to the arch in the baroque but it would advised to you've got you gotta have full of maids potentially in the third and fifth <hes>. We've got say the third take turf race. The third is the <hes> turf sprint the six furlong sprint yeah so we we've got <hes> cope for joey g stable sharply showing some rhyme <hes> i i wouldn't i i would think he would run well and then we have occurred in colt for cheap would <hes> <hes> and both of them. You know have trained. I can't say that they've trained like superstars yet but they've trained good enough that it wouldn't surprise me for either one of them to win and <hes> again a lot of times. We're just trying to get started while the the joey we g is stores thunder. It's a tr- <hes> trade days and the chiefs would runner is the six easy weekend. The current ataman abnd be indy. Mayor kind of feels like probably wanted a little little longer probably but the nice thing is and i i tip my <hes> to woodbine and their team and that they have emphasized getting you know they've been able to get get a lot of young two year old racist going. It's it's a allowing people to ship in and we're using a lot more. You'll see where <hes> tap to win made his first start at woodbine bind. I've i've talked about this before. It's just a great place to get worse and started and so what we do. I find is we'll run them. They're kinda. Branch branch off and some will come out of there and and run you know could go to belmont could go to kentucky <hes> but it's it's just a really nice place to to get started in and housed ices their turf course it. It looks wonderful does drink. I mean again one thing thing about with buying they are always looking at new things to do ideas and <hes> jim lawson in my opinion. It's just the tremendous job there. I gotta ask you about the fifth which is a maiden race for <hes> older going a mile and a sixteenth on the grass mark and osage moon who was yes. We're overdue yeah. That's wonderful pedigree. <hes> i don't know i just i don't i'm <music>. I'm tired of making excuses for him. <hes> i it's hard to believe he's still a maiden but he is and <hes> yeah i. I'm say they're all right and of course he's. He's the o._t. <hes> he's the son of o._t._c. Three year old <hes> you know the half <hes> ah that <hes> out of out of the great near the best <hes> and <hes> so we'll <hes> we'll wish you best salak. Charlotte's got one in there too on the outside unsurpassable other yeah. He's in another horse that we we recently yelled at him. <hes> kinda he's a beautiful voice by the one of the best sires in the world but so so far the lights have not come on so hopefully <hes> they do today but we're getting. They're getting they're getting there. They need to step up their game right. How about tap the mo-jo in that nice allowance race joe. Oh is horses talented but he's <hes> his elevator doesn't go to the top floor tappin by mrs by a couple <hes> mm-hmm so i don't you know he's another one if he gives his best. It'll be tough but you just never know. You'd like a box of chocolates well. They're tough the the the you know not all of them. Not all of them just takes in some cases it just it does and and you know i've trained a lot of tablets and most of the time i tell <hes> just know that it's gonna take a little while and and they get better with racing now tap to win. He's a different story he is. He is all right source. He likes what he does and he any and he thinks he can beat anybody. So hopefully you continue to do that. Well mark <hes> a tremendous weekend and still some nice opportunities. You're already entered coming up on thursday. Kentucky downs as well with the duke of car thenia yahoo is doing very well. <hes> we like that where she can run some uh-huh and then <hes> we have to phillies to to phillies running that <hes> in the main race there. They both have some talent so it's l. Just will be how they handle that you know of course down there. Well everything <hes> for everything that we talked about leading into saratoga where you weren't ordure you know you you you had had <hes> a couple of frustrating summers but it has been a terrific summer for the barn here at the spa. It's finishes up today and best of luck early. You got the maiden claimer and then march to the rich and everybody <hes> all the rates are off turf. Besides the stake in the first we had <hes> came out in the third worst tricky musician. It's not okay okay so just marched to the arch and you can pack it up how forces duleep horses here at all for they're they're. They're going to go down to belmont okay. I have to say you know we often hear about. When things don't go well we all we have all kinds of of critics and everything but what a what a tremendous job <hes> the track to pretend it's done this this saratoga <hes> for for all the different weather that's been thrown own adam and and <hes> you know so many times we all wanna be hard on the track track. <hes> i just have been extremely impressed rest on <hes> how how good a racetrack. We've had all all <hes> for you know and it's been a long it's been on this meat it's ever had and held up and done well and i think they should be mended about that down. Great job great glenn kozak a a team they do what they have done just an outstanding job outstanding mark fabulous and good good luck finishing up this weekend and head out and we'll obviously a busy fall lays ahead <hes> continued success. Thanks for having me not at all marquette everybody and a big big saratoga season and much more <hes> got gets out of the blocks locks at kentucky downs impressively with the to stake wins and <hes> that i wanted to slip first premio in there because you don't think i beat a clinton not even a length that was the and that was the that was probably the right. That was the tightest of the races. Everything else was open links. <hes> it seemed like once somebody somebody at the base of the hill there with about an eighth of a mile to go <hes> in in the other races <hes> once they got the leads they you know we're basically being chased home but the tourists mile it when those cameras shift up the hill <hes> it it the race kept changing you know when they turned for home it had one look and then when they straightened up and about at the eighth pole different racy you could see it was it was changing and yet horses coming and you know it's funny. Sometimes they seem to rally up the inside nicely the other you know other times <hes> they come sweeping on the outside <hes> but that was the tourists mile was the it was the best of the of the three races of the four stakes the early part of the card it we we talked about last year ear and how for the most part you know the the logical horses prevailed well the first half of the card on saturday down duckie downs you had oh you had the for flying. I mean there were there were legitimate prices. <hes> that that succeeded will when we talked to hammer obviously we'll we'll get get into it <hes> but the other the other races and that that formula about where you know horses where they're coming from to do well kentucky downs and the thursday card is set. Let's get to talk to mike stenham knacks and then of course johnny and so much more. Mike's joins us who who <hes> had four stake wins yeah he he dominated it the at colonial with the two and <hes> the woodbine and mammoth. 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Listen much faster and we're back up to the races about five minutes to the top of the hour johnny deal join us after we talked to mike stidham and as i mentioned top of the show it was breath. It was a big multi-track multi stake weekend for a lot of outfits cassie steadham the motion and trump bada and mike stem second on the list here today after we talked to mike <hes> the mark asi and down at colonial the return to virginia derby and the virginia oaks to new kent and as i as i sent out a tweet when the card was drawn graham emotion and mike steadham really supported the card and mike i saw that <hes> you're somebody in the outfit re tweeted that the you guys were leading the charge and you you guys came away with the top prizes carnival callers with a nice upset under force voice congratulations. Yeah thanks steve <hes> it was a great weekend a great night at colonial and <hes> very <hes> very lucky and happy to be able to win those kind of racist before we talk specifically about this performance and the distorted humor philly for godolphin dolphin. You're you're heavily involved at at colonial and talk about the decision and knowing that the program has the heavy heavy turf influence <hes> what went into the the commitment to run down there well for one thing <hes> when we're fair hill you have so many different race tracks to look at you. Don't have anybody telling you where you can run and where you can't run and we're i'm very lucky to train for david ross <hes> with d- runs under cars inc and it actually david barn earn at fair hill that we screen out of every summer so <hes> david is is from virginia <hes> he's very involved in the rain the kids need to be you know targeting as many races we could <hes> the person <hes> you know reopened race track act with great turf course in great <hes> dirt track very safe and <hes> it made a lot of sense to run as many as we could there so it's been successful and and <hes> like i said we're happy and lucky to have won so many good raced well it coming into saturday you really had had had been winning at a nice regular clip so to take the two stakes that you did <hes> you also won the the kitten's joy <hes> <hes> that was with doc boy the the intimacy for canter but let's talk about carnival colors for a minute and this was a a seventeen twenty mutual <hes> a a philly that we saw as a two year old good at arlington on the synthetic you brought her up to woodbine to try the mazarine and she he ran very well <hes> in that in that spot and then she was basically gone for a good eight nine months <hes> what was behind the layoff she he had <hes> you know a minor chip taken out of a joint and <hes> we gave her all the time the one thing about godolphin <hes> is they they get they allow the trainers to do the right thing for the horses and <hes> you know it pays off in the end and <hes> you know we brought her back. She he came off the shelf with a nice allowance win on the grass and had she not gone back to canada and finished fourth in <hes> ah stay up there at a one term mile where she got off a little off poorly <hes> had she not had that race you to probably been. I'm one of the favorites in the race the other night but i think the handicappers thought that maybe she wasn't quite as good as her two year old form and they discounted her and and and a lot of money on on my other horse in the race tasting the stars who <hes> had a really bad trip and didn't really we have a good chance to win but not take anything away from carnival colors who definitely benefited from the mile and an eighth ace distance the added eighth of a mile really helped her. She broke well. Forrest voice had her in a perfect spot on the rail all the way she had fabulous trip grip and she's very nice villian. She got the job done well career best figure as well not as important necessarily with the turf forces this is as as it is on on the main track but <hes> seventy-nine buyer what <hes> what lies ahead. I mean i. I imagined something like the <hes>. The queen elizabeth would be nice as a target later in the fall. Well certainly that that would be a race that you know any three year old filly you'll be beautiful to win <hes> but you know we'll also be looking at races like the valley you at keeneland which is a great three the sense point <hes> at belmont which which is a great too so those are all great options <hes> for her and <hes> you know like i say anytime you you're you're a <hes> beaten ahead in a in the measuring at woodbine as a two year old as long as you stay healthy <hes> you're you're in line for any of those races well and <hes> she's really you know she got in just in time the second half of the year to get her season going and so to you know to get a steak aac when like this mike i it's really nice and as you mentioned as we just laid out there's plenty of other plenty of other three year old restricted opportunities yet <hes> <hes> for phillies and and all you have to do is avoid the chad brown. That's it that's it and then after such a great weekend i know i i know how chad brown and steve aseel every week it exactly well you really <hes> ah let's keep going through the successes and you know obviously that race fell apart a little bit in terms of in terms of competition <hes> doc boy. That's a nice win very very nice and he's a he's a big strong developing intimacy of cold that we we pay quite a bit for a yearling with over three hundred thousand four him <hes> he is second start when we got him to turn on the grass he was impressive when he broke his made by five and then although it didn't look like he wasn't very easy you know he was a little bit green under the lights and kind of look around a little bit and he had the measure of of of the horse that was second all the way <hes> is very proud of him because he he ran hard and <hes> <hes> you know he really got the job done in a state <hes> <hes> i race after breaking his vadim so we we think he's got a lot more upside to what what do you do next with a horse like this. <hes> i mean this. This was a great chance to get a <hes> a steak win but he's he's going to have to keep improving. Yeah i mean certainly he will have to improve but <hes> he's another one that will we always do who is we. We look through the stakes book. We nominate two two or three different spots and we try to pick what what would be. You know the most reasonable spot what <hes> race like laura securities coming up on the twenty-first at looking back but that's something we'll look at and we'll nominate to a few you other races and and then try to pick the race. That looks like it gives us our best chance well. We'll turn our attention to yesterday <music> at monmouth before we talk about would bind the two year old sorority which is a great historic race a win here for michele lean gene and <hes> bernardini filly this this actually affiliate that is is a dolphin slash darlie product through and through out of the lovely panty raid the include philly that we recall from ten years ago gosh is it that long. It's more than ten years ago i think <hes> but michelle lean a <music> <hes> breaks her maiden in the sorority yeah. She michelin had really showed us a lot. In the mornings big pretty two zero philly with a big stride <hes> at worked well at fair hill and <hes> we thought enough of her to take her up to saratoga for i start and she was another one that got off a little bit slow and then was a little bit green in her first start but really made a huge move on the turn to make up a lot of ground late and then gallup out strong and that gave me the confidence to come back <hes> in a sake ration- or second star and and <hes> you know she's got enough class and and enough ability to to get the job done in a stake in her second segue so we you know we really we think again another godolphin filly <hes> you know we we get so many nice nicely bred read two year olds each year godolphin that <hes> you know we're we're so lucky to get those kind of horses and those kind of horses are are the horses that make trainers look good so happy to have the opportunity well if anybody hasn't seen it she wins with authority here under nick whereas and the public you know she she came in with the best last race buyer despite being being third in her debut and i uh i don't think that the philly from that race that race was only three weeks ago and i don't think i don't know that morning gold is run back but <hes> obviously it's a compliment <hes> the horses that that she faced in her debut how aggressive there's no fig yet on this race. How how aggressive you get with this. We <hes> you know we'll certainly be looking at keeneland <hes> as a possible next star for her obviously <hes> that race is a winning. You're in at keeneland so <hes> you know we'll be looking at that. It's not a definite spot but <hes> it's something that will have to consider depending on what kind of a number of she gets out of the race well mr lean bernardini filly <hes> always a welcome adding you know a stake winner to his <hes> his resume and you know the damn because i had to look up because i wanted to two thousand seven even so it is it is it's it's twelve years ago. My god what she won the american oaks and of course she won the spinster she won the black eyed susan was and she was she was terrific panty raid and <hes> michelin certainly bread in the purple as they say <hes> <hes> mike you also one at woodbine you went up there and you rated your rated the cassie cookie jar talk about powell's howls with yesterday the munnings <hes> in the jockey club well this was this was a win for david ross with ours inc which <hes> you know <hes> david is is been a big owner over the years and and he really puts a lot into <hes> you know the placement of his horses he gets very involved in that with the pedigrees and the figures and he loves all that so it's always gratifying to win for david and <hes> <hes> you know if if ever there's been a synthetic <hes> tracks specialists it would. It looks like it's pow because you you know we he's wanted at press kyle one <hes> twice at woodbine and you know he just loves the synthetic and he really did he. He <hes> he came up with a huge effort. Yesterday had the one whole took the worst of that and and got through and it was really impressive in the wind so we were we. We're really proud of him. Well and you know the horse of kassy's <hes> and gary barber's that he beat the olympic runner and there was also <hes> the ravelli <hes> invader big drink water <hes> that that was between them but <hes> this this was impressive and it really felt like a forward step and you know it's not it's not as if he hasn't been okay on the main track either you know when when he got rained off mom back in june and when when he was looking for his diploma almost almost graduated at fairgrounds on the main track yeah yeah no he honestly he's. He's a horse that just <hes> goes out there and tries hard every time he's one of those kind of horses you'll love to train in the morning because he he's no got got no forks or issues and he's been very sound for so <hes> then in the afternoon he goes out there and lays his body down for you so hey he's you just one of those <hes> kind of horses that every trainer would love to have in their barn i he's he's out of a macho mike abraham <hes> brenham and and <hes> pretty modest became out of what the keelan a keeneland mic sale of yeah yeah he response he yearling <hes> actually a short yearling <hes> <hes> james fredin <hes> picked him out for for david ross then <hes> he's been. He's been really great to have in the barn where do you where do you go with him. I mean you you want and i. I'm wondering i mean these munnings. You would think that he could stretch out at least a like a one turn mile. What what do you what do you do next. You know we've we've thought about that and that's that's something that you know you always have in the back of your mind but he looks like he kinda he gives you the indication in that he said five eight to three quarters specialists and probably turfing and synthetic. Are you know his preferred surfaces. So that's where we'll be. You know <hes> zeroing in on and again you know <hes> i've got hillary print them as my assistant and constantly got she's constantly got her head in the stakes phoenician book and picking out spots and <hes> you know it's a great team effort that the whole barn worked so hard <hes> and my assistant at mom has been trask the same thing <hes> you know everybody worked works really hard and and that's what makes the whole thing happened. He happens to be a i fall and so you know you don't have a whole bunch to you know to go on. I do note looking at that family. I see dearest one the dam and she's a daughter of dearest trixie who was a wonderful wonderful spreads sprinter herself <hes> on the west coast ears trixie no <hes> families good and like i say this this little horse just he he get he goes out there and try so hard every time that you know we're that's that's what gave us the confidence to ship him all the way to canada <hes> in a race where he was third choice choice yesterday because he just know that if if if he's healthy and doing well he's gonna gonna give his his best effort a couple of other notes. Let's <hes> from some winners <hes> over the weekend to back to colonial for a second <hes> martial law's win the opener <hes> early on the card the right at right when you were getting started. What do you got there so that's that's a horse that was sent over from europe <hes> basically basically he had recently run in actually in june over there so we just got him over here and put a few works into him and you know <hes> had him on the synthetic over at fair hill and he's been training well and we just felt like well if we could find something <hes> <hes> you know at around a mile and a quarter mile and an eighth and up we found this mile and a quarter race colonial and thought you know he's pedigree screams you know a mile elena quarter and up <hes> if we can get him in a spot like that it would be a good spot with a fifty thousand dollar purse so it worked out and <hes> it was it was is a great great win <hes> to get started at night out the other day to colonial the one the one funding race but it meant a lot because <hes> the owner of america candy dan dan donahue has been such a supporter for our stable for many years now and <hes> the horse got up to win by a nose and and <hes> it was a three way photo and it was a great win. Dam was there at the race and this is a guy that is so such a you know you talk talk about owners and you know different people in the business and this guy is so good for the business because he's so patient with all his horses is when they're done racing. He's always looking for you know good retirement homes for them. <hes> actually he and hillary had a <hes> who are <hes> named highly prized that we raced over here they sent him over hillary and dan sent him over to <hes> <hes> the england and he won a jump race over in england <hes> actually this past weekend so you know these are the kind of people we need more of in the business that <hes> really care about the horses and <hes> and and and and make <hes> you know a better place for were you know the horses that we all care and love so much. I'm glad you told me about this and told everybody about it. <hes> america handy with carlos marquez <hes> junior at arlington and that does beg a question mike i i had my campbell on on thursday after the just just a really wrenching announcement that <hes> churchill is going to <hes> bypass a potential facility casino facility the at arlington you you know you race <hes> in the midwest than an ad in chicago land. What what was your read on this. What have you heard heard in the last few days since since that. Do you know it really really really was heartbreaking for so so many of the <hes> illinois trainers <hes> and all the people that love arlington so much act which we we do ourselves <hes> and to see <hes> you know churchill downs <hes> fight with with the horsemen for so many years to get the gaming bill pass and then for them to turn around and just throw it away like it it meant nothing <hes> when it meant so much everyone was really hard to a hard pill to swallow and i really feel bad for for all the people in the <hes> illinois therapy you know horsemen's association that that fought so hard mike campbell campbell's chris law and those guys <hes> one of my clients marty nixon on the board and i felt so bad for those guys and and and any goes back to without getting too political. It goes back to what we were talking about. There's so many owners in our business that are willing into sacrifice <hes> knowing that most people in this business don't make a profit as an owner but yet again without getting too political seeing churchill only worried about the dollar and not caring about all the horses. The horsemen in illinois is really <hes>. It's it's it's gut wrenching and very very sad for our business and i i worry about you know as it's everyone i worry about the future of our game because of corporations like that so anyway that's my two cents on it now and we'll see we'll we'll see soon enough about whether this was a kind of a negotiating ploy and posture to get the the legislature slater to perhaps rework those splits <hes> a lot of speculation on that front in the meantime the carey family needs to be lauded and they're they're full steam ahead <hes> at hawthorn and <hes> you know god bless them. <hes> let me ask you to mike about. It's a couple of horses one. Today i wanna ask you about saratoga because there's a lot of people that are going to play later in the empire six and bengal gal in that state bread second level allowance go and seven eighths and she's one of the prices that seems to have a real chance. Give awesome insight well. We actually <hes> okay so you get to run today <hes> more more than anything just track conditions. We didn't want wanna ship up there on the off track not not that she would handle it but but anyway she will. She will be back soon so we'll we'll. We'll we'll get her back in the entries as soon as possible while you that actually makes it easier for those of us that after bill tickets in this in this very tricky because i thought she had a chance <hes> in there and so very good let me ask you then about the steak coming up later in the week. You've got <hes> wednesday at indiana. Tell us about elsa elsa and her chances but i'll tell you else's another one. That's gonna get discounted off over last race. <hes> it. It really was more trainer error there. I thought i could get a good race into her office shelf in the five and a half distance and she got off a little bit poorly and just never had any chance you know short distance <hes> it turned out to be a bad hi dear on my part so <hes> we got her back going a mile and i i think she'll rebound off of that race very well and i think she's got the quality to be a factor in that ratio. We'll see what happens. Well you got slow as you're ru and you've got fifteen the one going in and for those that forget ah about what happened in that galloway yeah even though the winner that i in the sky who maybe maybe very nice actually that sky mesa philly of cassie and gary barber's the there was no hope for else in there and a second off the layoff and it looks like she's worked very well since that race as well so like i say he's trained well and and if and and you almost have to draw a line through the galloway and <hes> i think getting her back into mile <hes> she'll be backer well mike you've been a factor her <hes> all over the place as literally from virginia out to the mid west and up to saratoga and everywhere where you're gonna be sending horses gonna ask you about one more a first time starter. How about that street sense two year old coming up a colonial sense of self since self <hes> she has been working well in the mornings and <hes> and we we think that she's got some quality the and class and i think she'll she'll be a factor in that race. <hes> <hes> that she's in a colonial week. We liked the way she's trained and she's wanted to definitely watch second race. <hes> thursday at colonial and <hes> this one a <hes> timonium purchase the one hundred fifty thousand and obviously this is affiliated as she's grown has has caught attention because she she was a fifteen thousand dollars yearling. She became a ninety five thousand dollar r._a. And that came back to motive after being actually i was i think i saw her. I did see her go through obese march and then ultimately sold to motive for one fifteen well tell you that's need wheat hillary. I liked her so much that <hes> we we pushed very golden <hes> who bought her. We pushed him over his <hes> budget and we said that we really wanted this philly. We liked so much at the sale and he let us go over budget and we were able to vire <hes> so he <hes> right now. We feel like when we made we made a good bye and we're looking forward to getting your started. The best the locks sense of self thursday the second colonial and <hes>. I could go another twenty minutes with <hes> with mike stem bike mike. We'll let you go congratulations on just a exceptional few days <hes> flexing the muscles from from toronto to new can't i can't well. I haven't me on steve. Thanks so much it's always a pleasure and you can follow mike system and the whole system barn on twitter as well suited him a check. I'm pretty sure it's still them racing but sometimes they yes. They don't racing is right and he's also got <hes>. He's also got a second personal account but <hes> stem racing. If you wanna stay tight on with the barn aren't and <hes> i i'm not kidding when i tell you that there's a whole bunch there's a whole bunch of other <hes> other ones that i could i ask you about and and i wrote the name down of the one that that they said <hes> they want to jump race that highly prized we gotta. We gotta find out we gotta. We gotta let sean clancy and company. No he's this this just like a flipping. The script usually usually the buyers over there and bring the jumpers. Here's a case of sending a sending one over over there to win over the hurdles <hes> we're gonna hurdle into the second half with jani. We wrapped up funding the sun and it was a thriller because there was some prices and there was some volatility on the board. I know one one player <hes> rallied from well back and i think ended up in the money and i think a couple of the top you you know the some of the favorites that were vying going into saturday and the final fun in the sun they they ended up retaining spots but <hes> it seemed like i was tracking it the last few races from del mar and kinda watching the leaderboard leaderboard and and the you know the weekly prize by the way speaking of <hes> you know of contests last chance today using the hopeful as the fifteenth of the feeders for the beat vic challenge and we'll have our championship a week from saturday on the fourteenth and we've got at least sixteen hundred qualifiers going into the weekend so we'll see how many i'll hear i'm sure from michelle and holly short. We'll see how many people yesterday and saturday <hes> feel saturday. I kinda wanted to leave the door a little open and i tried it <hes> to make mongolian groom. So those of you that found preservationists you not only qualify. If you beat me with that winner you get the one dollar <hes> tour membership opportunity and everybody that is qualified you even if you just went with me and you won with me on any of the six so far if you haven't paid the fifty dollars you got to do it because what would happen. If you end up winning the championship debut jim and you didn't you didn't sign up for the tour. It's you have to do that but if you've already qualified a couple of times try to beat me today. I'm using green light. Go and and maybe i shouldn't have maybe i should have reached for something more open so that but you do have the ask mrs you've got any neely. You could use lucas <hes> if you haven't beaten me yet in these he's feeders. <hes> you think you gotta try today so that if you want the the one dollar for tina's qualified twice she's got two so far but she she wants to one dollars so she's going to pick <hes> somebody else today. In the hopeful. Johnny's gonna join us next and in addition to the funding. The sun will find out about his weekend what his thoughts were about. Some of the performers <hes> a lot to come yet second half at the races when we get back.

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PART 2: Nick Tammaro, Ron Gierkink, Ed DeRosa , Barry Meadow

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PART 2: Nick Tammaro, Ron Gierkink, Ed DeRosa , Barry Meadow

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I thought was was was intriguing and there's plenty of other a lot of stars on the card including Holy Khaleda and pink Loyd. WHO's I I for a horse? That's one like twenty seven in a row. Nobody seems the talk about him or pay much attention to him. Bob Tillers streaking sprinter and here's a streaking sprinter victim Rio depends on where the sprint destination is. I think might Tapei at times but shop racing form a yes to the windows. Definitely Pink Floyd is is really sort of a marvel in terms of how he's performed well routinely I of course needed him to at least be third in this race last year in the contest and finished fifth so the pink floyd stop it will be nowhere near Wreck Stale Ontario and so his chances tomorrow we'll probably increase exponentially. He's in the early. They put the bold venture early on the card actually in fact when I went to the stakes together and put them up Derby Trail Oh. I didn't even look that that early on the card so I didn't even have to go back in fact I don't know if I did go back and put it up but there are a couple couple of very nice horses here including Carlin's honor the Jack Oxley Breezy York good old Yordan approaching half a million dollars for a chiefs would and Stewart Simon you know a lot of your a lot of your local players in the sprint scene but pink Cloyd is now twenty one twenty six and it really was late last year September October that he started to show some some frings signs of tiring and Kinda sputtered out at the end of the year could. Could he be beaten in here. I don't think so no it looks like he's he's back where he needs to be and I don't really know I guess other than Caroline's honor who's supposed to be particularly big threat to him in the spot so he he should get the job done. I mean it's always nice to see good. Horses do Well York than obviously was in much better form coming into this last year having run a good second pink Floyd Royd individual and and that was also during a period of time where pink floyd was having a really hard time getting out of the gate so he's a little ornery for a seven year old gelding and he had a little bit gate trouble really about four or five races in a row going into last year's bold venture he he's not he still not they really particularly the obedient or when it comes to getting out of the gate or being trained for it but he's definitely a little bit better spot with that right now so I think given that he's he's inform and should be sitting right off of the of the pace. If you worked in may be line to the front end. I think he should be okay before we talk about the Canadian the end the grade to which does start the cross country and will incorporate the pebbles and the nightcap at Belmont Nixon thoughts about last week at Belmont. We talked about this Jockey Club Derby and oaks and the Grand Prix. I talked to Andy on Tuesday. The Grand Prix was oddly contest than I thought but some some quick hits on opening the opening salvos at Belmont. I guess guess I'll try and keep it as charitable as possible. Given I took my shots at it last week but I think they played out largely. How we expected decide thought was a pretty impressive winner of the Jockey Club oaks overcoming? I think by all counsel was a pretty negative pace setup and winning is much the best running down Wonderman who I thought probably got a little bit more the run of the race and the American contingent as we expected in that race as well as the Jockey Club Derby were pretty much no shows and it could also be that the American continuing is pretty thin out by now. We'll talk about the pebbles and a little bit but the pebbles is going to be the ninth race for one hundred thousand dollars or more for three year olds fillies on turf going back to June sixth six and that's insane so the ranks of American horses that are ready to go a mile and three eighths early in September. We're really not very not very robust and and that proved out on the lady side and I thought Spanish mission I I actually thought he was totally out of position and thought that he was about to have a Jamie Spencer Special before he was able to overcome it and get the job done so a little bit. I know that the horse was capable of overcoming his writer. I I would imagine he he should be one of the better distant sources that we could potentially see over here next year given that he's going to be off now until the spring and there's just obviously connections that have problems shipping over the Grand Prix North American Jockey Club invitational brought to you by whatever most pretentious name of all time that was one of the most oddly run races I've ever seen first of all. I don't know how the hell everybody knew. Marconi was winning that race for fun and then to watch the riders of both realm and roaming union gather a hold of their horses so strongly almost as if they were waiting for Marconi to catch up and take the lead after he blew the break so that he could go one sixteen flat it was basically sort of the epitome of what we complain about left and right about American American dirt racing right now and you know in this day and age of sort of turf occasion of American racing where everybody points to turf races races are run like turf races. It's almost as if one horse makes the lead all the other guys say okay well. They're the pacesetter we're just GONNA go ahead and sit back and wait for them to come back to us and the majority of the time on the dirt that just doesn't happen even so shockingly Marconi was able to set a pedestrian pace and and went on with it and I I obviously would not have been a big fan of his at the price he went off often. We talked about how it looked like a bit more competitive race on paper the other todd pletcher trainee your to blame. I thought ran pretty well. He was able to stop the pace on the inside but you know I don't y horse like roaming union was in there if he wasn't GonNa GonNa contest the pace especially given that he's from connections like Michelle Navin who generally have a pretty decent idea how to win dirt racist so that was is a little bit of a head scratcher. you know look my personal opinion is that if there's any thought given to this turf triple. I really hope that same amount of money is committed to a dirt program and trying trying to incentivize horsemen to get there and run on dirt more frequently really try and build up the claiming ranks again because it's kind of embarrassing through the first three days of racing. I'm I'm sorry through the first three days of Racing Belmont there were seventy eight horses total entered to run on dirt and there are over seventy eight horses enter to run dirt in the first day at Churchill so I if the same number number of races and and that's that's not good. That's a big big problem that creates a big problem in the winter so that's my hope for it as it is. I guess we'll see probably a little bit better from Spanish mission in the Diese Lisa next year well we turn to Belmont today and into the weekend a couple of very good maiden races actually as part of that card and maybe we'll touch on them but let's let's look at the cross country pick five and it is comprised of of the three three of the stakes would bind the Canadian the mile and the northern dancer that you know you the top of your head. You wouldn't have thought it the three of them were as complex as actually I think they are and then the pebbles and the turf sprint claiming nightcap the eleventh at Belmont so let's start with the Canadian you know this is an interesting field the and really they'll competition. Idea should probably go off a pretty solid favorite. I don't really see how tactically you could make a real stand with her and she's a horseshoe. Obviously needs to lay back and make one run and you know those types generally at the mercy of the pace and this race does not look like it's going to have really any pace speak of so so she's going to have to overcome that now. I will say that you'll Rosario getting back on board to me feels like a very good thing. It does seem like she's just a little bit better horse when he's John Her but now the flip side of that is that we know Joel style. He's GonNa take her back and let her make one run so I mean they're they're going to. There's going to have to be some pace in here that you can't really foresee and I guess the hope is that Dixie moon and or starship do believe maybe show a little bit more speed than they have before. That's if you're back competition of ideas with any great fervor because obviously what this is shaping up as a situation where Holy Helena has a big tactical advantage on the other favorite and and she's been effective at Woodbine in the past. You look good winning the dance smartly last time Jimmy was giving a little bit of time since and I think she's a horse that that will really get the run of the race and and that's GonNa make her toffee. This could be a situation where on your your pick five. You're really leaning on those two pretty heavily and maybe you could give a little bit of a nod holy Helena on one one more additional ticket. I did want to try and make a case for to Riga and my hope is the Tyler Galileo. Maybe a little bit more aggressive with her than Johnny. Velazquez was was last time he finished just length and a half behind the competition of ideas did get into a little bit of trouble amazingly. She got into trouble in the three-horse rates which it happens of course and with a little bit cleaner run maybe second off the off the layoff off the ship in we can see some improvement grim oceans been a little the little laid back with her she she ran on July twentieth didn't work until August thirty first but might be one of those horses that can stay fit without doing that. I I'm always very very in tune and was looking at his horses in these kind of scenarios as they they generally overperform relative to their odds so I'm GonNa go ahead and include Theresa's well the and will include could starship jubilee more than likely those two has backups because I think they each offers some appeal at what should be better prices than the two chalks should note that ah Jimmy Jerkins after sending Holy Elena opt for the dance smartly basically is as left her there and oh my Gosh the stronach trainer but my Woodbine what is yes thank you Mike Doyle. Mike Doyle has been handling and Jimmy is on TV with seth deny after after precision is one and he told the story about Jimmy said he got the notification is it is stable mail all that Holy Helena had worked Labor Day weekend and so gets the notice he opens it up and Airy Jerry Sees Holy Elena six longs one eleven and three Jimmy said got on the phone to this is Mike what's going on up there and he said I really don't worry though or she did it easy. Did it easy the track was the polly was slick. It was cold or whatever yeah what eleven at three and you know what I did. I brought up with Jimmy that great story that is his father told about Bo purple and going out to Hawthorn for the Hawthorne Gold Cup on Tuesday the race as was Saturday and on Tuesday he gets a call from a Chicago sportswriter and said Jerkins. I wanted to ask you for comment about outvote purples work and said what about it. He says well he he he went a mile in one thirty. Two and three Korea broke the track record or mile. I think he went to violent at eight and broke the track record. What what forty seven forty six shades or something and and and Jerkin said you know? I'm sure he'll be fine and sure enough. He went out and won the Gold Cup but that was funny. One one eleven and three Holy Elena has been absolutely had this circled on the calendar ever since the win in June so the timing was by design yeah yeah I'm not looks like enough to to really go ahead and make a major player. I'm sure the ultimate goal is ep Taylor and she seems like a horse. It would be a very good candidate candidate for that so we'll expect a big effort here absolute. Let's talk about the mile. You know I think the I guess what the more mile really boils down to who is is what approach to get stormy and got sore me. I should say and you know I I think that this is obviously marquette. Nina's element and and got stormy undoubtedly has really blossomed as a four year old filly. We've seen this happen before of course in his barn and one on the short rest. I didn't didn't particularly like her in the forest. Dave thought she was very impressive. That day. I did think she got a great ride from Carlos Santana who had her in the right spot the entire time I think that given given she was five to one eight two five or less than here. I think that you're supposed to take a little bit more of a critical approach. It's not quite Mr Wedding. Don't go to the funeral scenario because she wasn't that big a price but I think this is a scenario where you can get more appealing odds on horses whose chances probably aren't that much worse than hers and you know the two for me. Primarily are going to be call in and made you look and I know that both of them are a little bit more of the forwardly placed types and I don't think that's a bad thing I do think American Guru will more than likely be tasked with setting the pace and I figured you look going to get a very nice trips talking outside of him. I know that people are probably going to dismiss his last two in looking like they were mid. Pack type finishes that that would be the wrong approach to the four-star Dave it clearly the plan was to be aggressive with him coming out of the gate they were he was very close to to do in the middle part of that race he made the first move into it at the quarter pole looked like he was going to win and all of a sudden he hit the wall of course having been involved in that that suicidal pace in a more honestly asleep run race of a more traditionally run race. I like his chances and I think he's going to be very good price. I think he's a horse who really doesn't have to improve much to to get to where he needs to be to win and we've seen races in the past from around one turn that have really been some of his best so I'm gonNA. I'm GonNa take a shot there. I thought that was terrific. Last time I'm an winning the lure and and he tracked pretty strong pace himself and was able to hold off sacred life who had had an ideal setup and trip in his North American debut view and I feel like we call it has been handled in kind of a cagey way with an eye on this given the two mile is probably going to be ultimately what I think is going to be his best trip so I'm going to use those to both as as I'll include God stormy I think you have to include synchrony and raging bull Moore's backups for me raging bull. There's a horse that that I think needs to win a major race before we can start to look at him as a really a great one type I know he was a grade one winners the three year old but I think he said I think anybody would admit his connections that this has been a little bit of a disappointing campaign so far and you know I. I think that that will pretty much cover it. There's nobody that I worry about too too much. I know that awesome tank ran well last time in Beverley but I feel like these horses generally run their big race off the ship in and can take a big step backward in their next start but it's encouraging to see her hear what probably is her best distance and she's another one who'd be waiting in the wings. When if the pace pacesetters ultimately falter that takes us to Belmont the third leg of the cross country pick five and the pebbles the mile with for three year old yes speaking of of yeah I mean it's been a week since we had a three year old filly so it's time for the pebbles and of course we have the risk averse about a week and a half before that but all kidding aside I was really interesting to the east and the entries for this race? I did not realize that she had come to America and was in the care of Christoph Command. east was the Philly who was received some late in the game support award in the juvenile fillies turf was a mile out me too big move to run second. I was a horse. I think that that was on a lot of of wiseguy type tickets and I ah I don't know really what is you run into. She's campaigned against been campaigns against the best horses overseas and and really now in terms of of what she's lining up against. I know she hasn't performed all that well in her last two starts but this is a massive drop in class I mean we're talking about blow out and feel glorious and seek and destroy and and this is a Philly who's been running against laurens and and Castle Lady and Pretty Pollyanna an Hermosa. I mean this is just a huge drop in class. I guess there's some amount of concern about whether there's going to be enough pace for her to run at but I thought with Alyssa Kiel and blow out towards the inside there would be enough going on early to set her up. I I'm guessing that lasix might might be something that she needs. A firm turf might also be something that she prefers. There's been a little give me probably a little bit more given the ground than she's wanted in her. Two of her starts arts so far this year so I'm expecting a big effort from east I'm I'm not a big fan of of blowout and thought she set an extremely slow pace on that of course I that was gradually becoming wetter is race went on aback on Alabama Day and even though she will probably be in that sort of ideal Johnny v stalking outside trip I I would I would relegate her to more of a backup and I'm GonNa concentrate in here on east along with with passing out as as the main horses I thought passing out really took a step forward last time I don't think captured necessarily in her buyer figure but she feels like a horse still have some some moving forward in her and and I just would rather play the horses at good prices you can hear them. The two two over bad horses the Horse that the horse that I gotta bring up is the stretch out I in this guy off that Galloway performance yeah she she obviously moved forward a great deal at Saratoga now. I wonder I thought ought to back that. She ran as well as she did because she did get paid around. I thought Rosario gave her a great ride. I actually think he writes turf sprints at at any location better than anybody I've ever seen so. I just wonder that she's going to be as effective at a mile and also with regards to how the pace is gonNA play out. I mean I would I would imagine they'll be some consideration given to her just going and trying to get the lead especially if he'll and and a blow out or ridden conservatively as most horses are nowadays so that might be really what gives you the best chance. My problem is her. Two Mile Races says at least on the turf are amongst her worst so that was my concern. I don't blame anybody for wanting to go there because it's very very clear she's moved forward a great deal in her last two starts. We'll we'll find out if that was because that was the right trip or if she's capable of just continuing that forward well and Dylan Davis Ah that kind of voyage if they do want to if they do want to try to seize control of although I imagine Catalano is going to have some interest in you know it being forward you mentioned glow out Johnny they they could grab it just as easily but dylan. Davis is sort of Louis Sayas light when it comes to that you know that front end rabbi baby trip he I agree. I think that I think he's also writing better now and with a little bit more confidence than he was at Saratoga. We've seen the same thing with many Franko who has improved since getting back downstate and I think much of a pressure cooker as it is for for better than fans I think it's even more so jockeys and trainers and when you're struggling you really feel it so I I see him. I could see him being a little bit aggressive and if so I think that might work in her favor after the pebbles you go back to Woodbine for the northern dancer and here's a small field Chad Brown attacking ear but but Roger Outfield with streaking Tisza slam the man's plenty of attention nessie shows up in here kind of an interesting it's kind of interesting mix of horses and you've got the rare hop garden to Woodbine ship for the one old Persian yeah not not quite what you'd expect I was I didn't realize that the Dubai Sheema Classic stuck out on all persons. PP's as much as they do and and of course being owned by Godolphin you do get a little you I of course raise an eyebrow when you see these big phone moves in Dubai which obviously sorts did and he wasn't competitive competitive really in group one company prior to that and then found a way to win a race on World Cup night very easily. This is a race that's been supported by Godolphin pretty well. They sent to Hawk bill here a couple years ago and he found a way to lose to a former twenty five thousand dollars claimer. I don't know if all Persian will suffer a similar fate. I think that he will benefit from the fact that there should be two horses. You show speed cooler cooler. Mike anticipate slammed both or are front running types. Did this lands it very dangerous horse and I think you have to you have to treat him with a lot of hand limit a lot of care he's really hit his dry. Now is just a a one way speed type and I mean look at his record when Stephen Bannon is on and he gets the lead. It's it's pretty damn good and so oh I think that's enough for you to really give him a lengthy look and and I think while he will undoubtedly set the table for horses like Focus Group and Old Persian I still do think he's capable of getting the job done so even a shorter prices Old Persian is going to be. I'M GONNA use all three of them. I think focus group is probably most effective at a mile and a half and that bowling green being having been such a hodgepodge judge of horses kind of coming together with with the leader somehow staying on despite really setting a quick pace and look like he was going to be engulfed twenty five different times. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA include Focus Group and and think that maybe two configuration in the mile and a half might be ideal so I think this is one where some people will want to maybe lean on old Persian a little bit more if I I think he is certainly in good in a form but I do think that there are real alternatives and then you might want to entertain those and then back to Belmont for the nightcap this turf sprint six furlongs on the Inner Thirty Thousand Dollar Phillies bears the two lifetime back with respect to the veteran the ageless Mike Lousy. How much do you WanNa lean on him? As a probably a two favorite on a big drop down for a high percentage aren't learn given on something joyful and I think that David Arizona's a tremendous morning winemaker. I'll be surprised if my girl goes off the favorite in this race. He's I guess she could but he's a really bad horse and was able to find a an awful forty thousand dollars maiden claimer feel to win last time does does not look like she's going to get a sniff of the early lead here either so I've been surprised by the way some of these things have gone in the past. I'm not going to be shocked. I'll tell you who's a bomb to throw in there by the way I think something joyfully clearly the horse to be. I think the class drop is more than enough to to make me land there. did you dues one race on turf was very good and the fact that Tom Morley is willing to get back in ultimately to probably get her to the turf. I I thought I thought that was I thought that was an encouraging sign and and while she didn't finish all that great didn't really face that great afield she got involved in a really strong pace in that debut was quite a while ago of course she's obviously affiliate who's had some some issues but I thought she was one that you might want to include it what could end up being a pretty big price and I think the same thing of Android android is not going to be big price but she looks like she'll get a really nice setup up and and looks to fit this kind of race quite well. It is kind of a maddening finish to the sequence because it's a it's exactly what you'd expect. I guess in a thirty nine to life so once you work your way through it. If you feel like you can stand on a couple of legs being a little bit more narrow like I kind of alluded to then this might be a spot where you you end up going three or four deep because it does look look like contention runs pretty deep well and I'll I'll throw in a throw in just the windows little tidbits that that I love in this nightcap. It's a keeper for Bob Massey Yellow and Tom Emmer tranny her sis- I have no problem with doors. Well her sister a runs in the fourth so you've got you've got sisters on this card. keep it in the fourth and here's it's a keeper dropping in for a tag for the first time and is that that alone makes her intriguing it here at fifty to one and Louis raise doesn't get had a whole lot of you know. Super Live opportunities but I thought his fifteen to one. It's a keeper horse that the need to be aware of in in some backups at the very least 'cause I agree that you know with your general premise that this is This is a greased watermelon this race it is we saw over trying to win on Sunday with Dan Darragh in kind of a similar somewhat similar scenario getting some class relief and and being an winning a realistic spot where she can win i. I guess both Bob Masiello and Tom over Toronto reach the conclusion that that their horse was worth attack and and they're spotting her properly here. She's a climber. It's just you know it's that simple and I think she'll probably move forward on the class drop so I would certainly find a way to include her fifteen to one would be plenty attractive enough so yeah I think we could you can find yourself yourself alive in this thing to some pretty Nice pretty nice probables closing it out. I assume that even though the first leg is is it would buy a fifty cent minimum because I think Belmont is technically we've hub. They know this was the cross country five was offered once before on Woodbine Mile at a twenty cent minimum match up with with their with acid assiduity. Yeah let's see I think it's going to be fifty cents. I would imagine if I find any different. I'll certainly tweeted all right. I'm looking on the let me look at it. Starts on the would binds A and I don't think it was on the website actually delineated specifically so all right. I will mention quite a few. These races are overlaps in the beat Bic Challenge Championship very disappointed we did that. You didn't get the qualify for I completely missed it. It was it was almost as if time just flew by and and I I definitely erred in doing so but I'm gonNA take my next. Hd Shot at Keeneland in a few weeks and we'll see if I can go ahead and knock that out well all right. I disappointed minded. I I looked last night and I got to the tees and there was no tomorrow so no good no good no good that that can good luck this weekend. I appreciate it. I should really give everybody a SH. Sh we should have run these down. Shoot me. Shoot can shoot me the at least the as in this and no question about it all right we'll do. You're good luck buddy talking. Actually Nick Nick could be followed and Tam T. a. m. m. one two one five back after this ron gear kink will head across the border and talked to Rhonda about his thoughts on the not just the Woodbine Mile Card because I do WanNa get the town uh-huh and the summer discussed on Sunday because if you haven't looked ahead a lot of good two year old racing and more on that Sunday card it's a great great weekend of action it would buy back after this apparatuses who's with Steve on Sirius Xm radio hey what's going on here and I'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends at express. I bet let's be honest. 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Maybe even to some degree even more intriguing. Yeah maybe so maybe so better betting card you know they're both parts but with fourteen year old steaks on Sunday to great ones I mean it's it's really you could be some future. Stars that car like war will last year ranks second in the summer as a maiden so really I don't know where you want to start but I suppose and I keep literally as we built up to Woodbine Mile conversations I kept referencing the stars that we're GonNa be on the card and beside the Woodbine mile players you know holy Helana back the Woodbine and actually has stated Ada Woodbine since the dance smartly and and Pink Lloyd who I told just a little bit ago I told Nick tomorrow for a horse that is done as much as he has a and has been so good for such an extended period he he's a virtual unknown. I don't I'm kind of this defied by the lack of notoriety for pink floyd at this point. I guess you know he's looking at a regional horse and until there's been conservative with him he hasn't snl town. He hasn't tried him on the turf. He doesn't think he really has a turf foot so he's just around the same race as every year and he just wanted to conover stakes for the third year in Arro- the almost broke his track record in that race and I guess you know if you if you're gonNA try and beat him. This is the time to do. I think because you know we bombed in this race last last year running running back in two and a half weeks yes. He's probably a better horse this year than last year so he might be bit vulnerable just because he's coming back a bit quick and it's it's a fairly tough. There's some good alternatives like Yorktown won this race last year easily when he was in better form he's had a break coming into this race. Has Connections were unhappy with the the forward ride that he got last time and now he's drawn outside again with Patrick Husbands a new writer who's been working working him. He can sit me just office sable island and I'm thinking you've got to run a big race whether it be good enough to be pink floyd. I'm not sure but that's who I picked nice all right well I. I asked I said Nick again he can he be beaten beat and then of course last year at this time he started to tail off yeah yeah so last year right. That's been smooth this year so far this'll be his six start of the year and it was actually last year in his seventh and eighth starts so you know maybe we'll see what what tiller see how this goes and then what Tiller does come in out of it you gotta I gotTa get back on. I haven't talked to him this year last year. When the horse just I mean he was just so much fun you running things to say about him? Yeah exactly that's fair. The let's talk about the Canadian and and Nick just now he went through the cross country pick five which teams up with with Belmont and it starts with this Canadian radiant and yet it's so rare to have a mile and an eighth at one turn on on turf in North America and you know would bind is you yeah the place that has this opportunity and you know you look at these racists slightly. I think slightly differently really suits starship jubilee because she won this race easily last year and I think Kevin Hart a little frustrated with some of the rides he's got in terms of just just the fact that they tried to take her back when she runs in longer races and she's come running a little late so now she's back to. Maybe your best distance. She'd worked very good it on the main turf the same course running on coming into the race. I think she's going to run a big win. You guys talked about holiness and and like she did get the summer Iraq and dwell fresh under up and Mike Doyle. I think you know a mile. An eighth is a little short for her and they're really they need to win a great one with her before she retired so she's he's really pointing to the Taylor so maybe this is one that she'll need interesting interesting what other what would what did you do it here what direction I think you know competition of ideas I she's always underneath. You know. She's a bit of a hangar right. She's I think she should come running late for and you know that's that's about it really G. Giovanni blues come running late for a piece of two. She's never been in better form. She's more of a mile and a half horse but maybe she's a long shot that could hit the trier the super that gets us to the Woodbine Mile and this race is has has really become a a centerpiece and not to take away from the other sponsors and the earlier incantation when it was the ato mile but naming it the woodbine mile and I and maybe tappin at her notoriety contributed but the race has really been elevated I it seems Ron in stature and InFocus yet. Your has been a great Breeders Cup Mile Prep over the years and not necessarily last year but this is probably an above average field for for this race a little better than last here. I mean silent poet poetess a horse a local horse who I think is getting overlooked. he won the broke. The seven furlong course record in in the local prep for the race agreed to play the king and he's very tactically can go to lead or second or third looks like he's probably GonNa stock the other strike stable runner American Guru who would expect to go into the lead. I I like to call it a lot. he reminds me of Shakespeare when when McLaughlin Auckland won the two thousand seven Woodbine mile was Shakespeare who had been off for almost two years before he came back and won the two mile in his second start after a long lab to complete his career and new collins making his third start after a layoff of over a year and coming off a nice race in the lure and he's very he's he's he's got a good stocking style that he can sit maybe third undersize and being near what could be a moderate pace and before he pounces and I think you know I I was I when any circling tweeds the other day after the draw that would be great value at eight to one at that made me feel better about Maybe selecting them so I think I think he's in with a pretty good shot. We should talk a about the females in here and got stormy that I really latched onto at Saratoga over the summer and we're having our our beat big challenge championship it's kind of appropriate the Eh she's actually on a card because I used her both weeks in a row with when cassie Gary Barber sputter back from the Dale arose into the four star Dave and then of course there's also the you talk about being overlooked awesome tank who ran a very good race behind sister Charlie in the Beverly D and comes back to North America and a I I don't. I'm surprised that nobody's really you know had much to say about awesome. Thank yeah I believe I was just going through the paper my colleague Marcus Hirsch picture sort of a long shot square place the price to play so yeah. There's there's some appeal with her. I mean whether it mile is maybe a little short for her. Maybe she's more of an underneath horse. got story. We worked very good on the the main turf last weekend. If I think that's something that hasn't been brought up yet here. Maybe fat even faster than the posted time mm-hmm because of those those works around the cones are hard to time but it looks like she's coming into the race in in good order not not a horse. It's maybe the fried from two to back to back races so at Saratoga so yeah I think you you know I just think Edda short price you have to try and beat God stormy with somebody raging bull deserves attention Joel Rosario reuniting with uh with him and he got untracked late in the four star Dave and was making progress ended up pushing through to to get second behind got stormy and a raging ball. I think is a at the least eight minus on tickets. Yeah I'm not. I'm not sure what to do. A synchrony I mean he when he won the the the gray to King Edward on Queen's plate dated beat that that good field really but he looked good doing it and he's obviously point them to this race since then stood up and if you just bet fair hill horses at the would buy me we all year you'd be up a fortune I mean it's just been a tremendous angle and of course picks up Buffalo Avian Pratt so you know he could run big. I'm not really sure what to do with him. Though gets us to the northern dancer and short field but a little bit of a little bit of an interesting scenario and I really respect what Hatfield has accomplished with Tisza Slam and the five year old has strung together the Louisville the Singspiel and and the jet ski wins at now guns for a great one yeah and you know he's been getting fairly soft leads and the connections I think he doesn't really need to lead that he can track a horse and go on to victory and it could end up tracking a cooler Mike here who gives a mile and a half on the main turf every every we day I just saw this morning so he he's that long shot his maybe going to lead the way with Kizer Slam sitting second and my my long shot play Sir say he boozman chasing to the slam home in his last couple of steaks engagements where we're really not a lot of pace to run at and then this time it should be a little quicker the pace and and he's really he's a four year old STRANA runner. This is his fourth start off the layup. It could be sitting on the race of his life. I think he's worth using it and which would be ten to twenty two one. Maybe it is it is notable that with the with the change in in Wilkes had I've ever had this source and that's our took some time to get them going. He has made two significant in forward moves in these last two performances and one more step forward and absolutely ron that that's a that's a legitimate elite clever push yeah. He's worked very well coming in the race to a bullet fifty nine and one the other day so I think my my colleague Penny Candy Eddie Peck picked him too so I'm not the only one who likes him. I gotta ask you before we talk about Sunday. We're having we're having the the AH the NHCD final to send somebody the Vegas and the woodbine eleventh happens to be in the sequence and I'm going to ask you what you're doing in there to help people that might be listening and taking notes. This is a nice allowance of money allowance group going six on the grass I I I work with the CASSIE horse combative. He's he's three to one on the line. He's coming up of the elite closing maiden win on the set going Oh and seven and a half on the inner turf now. This is six furlongs on the main turf lane one so there's a lot of room on the course and there's a lot of speed in the race yeah on paper. It looks like it sets up for him so he's not he's no secret or anything but that to kind of jumped out at me in that race fair enough off with the silver three two one let's turn to Sunday Ron Gear kink with us from the daily racing form the big big big weekend and we can talk about some of the other races uses but let's start with the summer and the town that have been very productive on the juvenile scene for the Breeders Cup since the advent of of the turf races for Juveniles and some of them actually you know have tried dirt you know it's a kind of a mix and match and no shortage of players in this great once summer what Nice Field Yeah what a great field and I haven't seen align on this yet. I don't think it's quite yet but keep on truckin. Obviously be one of the favorites favorites if not de favorite. He's been the most flashy local two year old this year. He's one is to racist by a combined total of almost twenty links beat Ontario breads last time in the Clarendon now he's been sprinting on the Topeka. This is a mile on the turf sure he certainly bred to run on and and bread for the turf whether or not you know he can beat. This field with the speed style is is hard to say. I'm Katherine Days. The trainer is is very adamant that he doesn't need to lead. He's very tactical and that he he he he can do whatever they want him to do. Emma Wilson World last time she got hurt the other day so the Silva's back on him for this race it's GonNa be fascinating to see him. In the mix here running against a few Europeans. you know a couple of really good Saratoga made winners decorated invader the Khulumani Torso first and then Todd pletcher is the debut Inter Mystic Lancelot. I mean what a what a terrific field and and Kathy's got a few cats actually kind of European in the race and I don't know and Joey O'Brien has a tiny little known they never called and a- and the Horse I ended up picking actually please call me back who was second in the local prep. The soaring free stakes looks like he'll love a mile and Roger hatfields roads are putting blinkers on He's a half to Dixie moon and Guy Caballero a couple of routers. I think I think he's going to really be a good road an Ontario bread who might be acquaintance play next year how about that and Moon dixie mood is running somewhere this weekend as she's in the Canadian yeah that's that's right yeah. I was GONNA say it can't last weekend and Mr Harbour camp passed on the with my mom that she's been in a bit of a slump this year but she's coming into the Canadian meanwhile off last week so that's why I thought I got a mention because we've been tracking proven strategies the Sky Mesa call for lead green in our friend Aaron Your Goethe and partners and he's a maiden granted but they've got high hopes for him and he seems to be a little little bit of a little bit of a project but cassie swinging for the fences here and I don't blame them. with this this kind of an opportunity you you mentioned the imports while it addition to Joseph O'Brien showing up with the Qatar owned Vittachi Gary Barber clearly found found a horse for purchase and gets the services of Flavian Pratt secret stash and macadam philly that takes the shot in here against the boys only gets three pounds for it but interesting that secret stash it double entered but what what we hear. What are they doing well yeah? I guess you know she's a philly entered against the boys in the summer as well. I mean I mean I would think she'd run against the phillies. Maybe they're looking for the softest field because sometimes in the past two summers come up easier than than the town I mean in this case I'm guessing she's GonNa stay with the Phillies but but that said Kathy has couple of others in the his multiple runners in both races so oh I guess they'll handicap races and then go from there well and Gary Barber eclipse do have that diamond sparkles in the Philly race ace and if you're if you're talking about ease of you know ease of the two races obviously let's start the town conversation with fair Bayden who I had gone after the catch a glimpse the horse had turned heads when beating boys at Arlington and fair made in seemingly way the horse to beat it here yeah she she just toyed with that at field in the catch a glimpse stakes going six and a half on yielding turf last time shipping in I'm from Chicago. you know Emma Wilson obviously he's hurt and so played being Pratt's picked up a pretty nice mount their You would think she'd go mile. I haven't seen the line I think she'd be the favorite but the mark Johnson English phillies. She's no slouch either you know she she went through. She went three in a row in England before running third of four in a group to at Deauville in France so that looks like a series of course to walk in Marrakesh is philly there. You're talking about for Meribel and a Irish interests very nice and Jamie Spencer back again to ride after winning the titus photo we've seen since since a dead eat frankly Spanish haddish missions when the last week Spencer was was all out desperate. He's got that flailing motion Ron you know that that that hoo-ha Walk Cowboy riding style from Europe and it it doesn't look good so I I always wonder about you know it's not taking away from the Horse's action but could get overlooked here. A little bit is coach. Laurie him cassie debut winner going five eighths on the inner turf Jr's ars GonNa ride her and she's worked just unbelievably well heading into this race on the Topeka I think she's a Cairo. Prince of Burton Jones home-bred. I I think she's going to run big very nice. I and I see that you picture actually I did yeah for the I saw the fifty eight and to work I mean she she started five lengths behind the runner finished five in front that day. It was a very impressive well beyond those two stakes. There's there's two others as the antero racing and then the woodbine cares which I assumed as a kind of a fund raiser for aftercare Yeah Woodbine cares it's like charity to honor charities that would bind participates in the affiliate there to catch fast seen I mean she she ran against a a fair maiden in the in the catch a glimpse and she set the pace. She was just a runaway on the lead that day and she's cutting back to five eighth on the inter- speed is in going five on the inner turf is just so important and looks like she's speed the speed and that's the eleventh and final race on under any other any other maiden races are or the other stake that you want to mention. I should say by the way that in that would bind cares. who was it that caught? My eye was one where is it. Oh barely seen a horse that we talked about with Brad Cox the buyer and another fast philly since okay they about about her nice she's worth. She's worth looking at in here and obviously it's a question question of pairing up you mentioned fast scene and I'm looking around to Avi Samurais got speed and you know this. This thing is obviously going to this. Is this could easily over boil right. You may need you may need to be poking around for somebody that can come from off the pace somewhat reminded. We're supposed to get rain tonight. not that it's GonNa make the turf the soft or anything but even with when we get a lot of rain the inner turf is always firm under the water just goes right through it the two fabulous days of racing at Woodbine Woodbine Mile Card and then the great ones spill over into Sunday Ron I appreciate she ate the visit as always always great to touch base with you I didn't come this year but I'll. I'll put it on the list for next year for those of you. That aren't following Rod. You should be D. R. F. Gear King. Gi Har- Kia K. A. Rod enjoy best a lot. You're welcome Steve. Thanks rod gear cake from the Form Long Time Forum warm correspondent and family involved in the standard breads and a exceedingly knowledgeable and a good good player Ed Garozzo standing by and I I had to get run on early because he had to get out and now I have to get to Ed because he's got only until eleven thirty good morning any good morning happy opening day church. Oh absolutely not the same as happy Derby but quite you know yeah happy non winners to Kevin live racing closer than further away though though no doubt no doubt and and you're going to be heavily involved and everybody is going to get a chance to hear from you and and Joe as the meat unfolds colds and boy these I do cards as I said to scully things really get off to a flying start. They do back half of the car especially today. Hey you know for Friday. Just thinks level allowance races interesting maiden on the turf the only turf race today for the two year old doc raised five so yeah a lot of interesting looks today and then of course is powers that may never too early to think Derby and oaks but we have an official reason to do so tomorrow 'cause the points racist kickoff with the Pocahontas scenario well and I do WanNa get opinions from you Ed and we'll save that Atfer the end of the conversation because I really want you to hit the highlights about the overhaul on the APP and and for those that you know some of you play twin spires on on your laptop or your pc but the APP has been refashioned and there's more bells and whistles seemingly on the horizon to absolutely yeah the good thing now with you know technology on where it is a Qalat easier to be agile and develop these things so first and foremost WANNA encourage everyone who interacts with it definitely let us know the good the bad and the ugly because it was developed in such a way that we are able to adapt to what our consumers want so send us a tweet. Send me an email what have you but let us I know what you think first and foremost by don't mean ever going to be a finished product. We always want to keep making it better for our user but the one thing I'm personally most excited sided about the what's the new APP is it's just plain faster and I'm a big desktop user really haven't cut the cord in that regard but when I'm out and about need need to rely on the mobile can make that this is unquestionably just a more efficient experience to get through whether it's a pick five or just get back down on a horse's nose snows so for those who may be resisted the the mobile environment so they're comfortable you know calling about in using their desktop. definitely check this down because it's just it's a lot quicker and it's a lot of experience and I think the the replace status on replays on the phone yeah it was there when we updated the the mobile responsive and I'd be shocked if these are available go I I hate to I hate to promise like next week but it it's all rolling out shortly so the replayed will be there. There were also incorporating more handicapping stuff. This is just kind of bare bone start there and then bet share the other thing. We're excited about. I've I've shared a few this week and hopefully more people were looking for partners. They have a little fun and some of these tickets can use the mobile APP and get get people involved excellent. Well check it out and I came across it with the with an update myself to like sixty Steve APPs you know one of those yeah I do yeah you see that you see that notation and and there was so I- I I poked around and it looks great thanksgiving and like like I said it's it's living and breathing and we know what these update you know. Some people aren't going GonNa like everything and that that's okay we want to hear from you and we want to you know just keep improving as we go along so hopefully your listeners won't be shy hi and racing Peter Correct they won't be let's get to the to the action anything anything today today ED before we go to Saturday Yeah Really WanNA point out race it is I was believe it's race for and it's the morning line favorite but really race but dark arts is a horse. I'm GonNa Lean on pretty heavily. In the early sequences of the race ready for number six stretches out a little bit to seven furlongs which actually like for our Chart Chart didn't work out too well before Steve claimed named but the horse has improved since and get Santana and I think in a race for a lot of people are going to see Super Competitive that that horse might be one to lean on and and then race seven a two year old race I thought what Toy on debut was super super game and just missing ahead and it didn't seem seemed like any of the first or Enra- seven or going to be world-beater so I thought toy a five to one with Corey Landry Up was worth a look today. It's all right. Let's turn to the the two year old steaks and work our way back and it's impossible to bring this this action without discussing that is his moment I and I cannot think of in recent memory of a maiden winter that has had had people so looking forward to their next outing yeah absolutely I and I was thinking yesterday when talking with James for our podcast odd cats and I didn't say it I'll say it now though this is the first time I think as long as I've been covering racing that I can remember the most exciting two year old male not having run at Saratoga Down Mar in the summer. certainly Ellis's is unique so really really curious to see how he does and I'm actually GONNA GONNA play against the is what I think will be outdone. I don't think we're GONNA get ninety. I five but is just too much of a gamble for me with the outside post and I was there for that her juvenile and I thought Rowdy Eight and let me know both ran super races there and the much bigger price I pick let me know on top here. I think with a better insight trip of Calvin works out something up the rail. He can make some noise late He's GonNa have to catch his moment but I'm I'm stabbing with. Let me know in the Air Koi I I did. I I said to scully to you had to you have to at least consider the the other the other interesting interesting parties and Scabbard as well as gotta be mentioned and Rowdy Yates scully likes January one at least as a as an exotic candidate There's there's more going on here than than just just the big. The Big Star two year old. Yes I agree and you know posted is is no picnic. I mean just looking at the post stats going eight and a half especially especially for two year old definitely favor further inside I mean it's not awful the outside so we we can't win from out there but you know if you're looking for reasons that's at least a little bit of a spy to add to the recipe again ironically though number nine black right is another alternative for me. the comeback at Delaware. Maybe this is too much too soon from five and a half to eight and a half but that it was a fast race in that in that AOL the Trevor McCarthy comes in for the Mount so as you said there. There's enough going on here that it is on I'll play against them being the Nets world-beater but certainly a win an impressive went here and it's hard to imagine he's not the favorite in the breeders of Juvenile Yeah Great Okay Great let's turn to the phillies and here you know portrait may not necessarily come in with as lofty expectations or you know as big of a wake in in you know a regard to the maiden win but the main win was by a dozen lancs and and this is a clearly a serious philly might be a few more interesting options would building. He plays in here. and I really like Kenny mcpeek Philly I can't imagine a three to one co morning line choice. I it seems like Brad. Cox's axes pair are both gonna take more money than her own nine race field. Maybe we can get a ten or clubs our mutual hopefully people be scared away by the fact that she started a career on her My thought there fever is that she probably just wanted that middle type of distance by morning line out of an Indian Charlie early mayor the mile type distances make sense and a lot of the options on dirt is a two year old or by shorter so I thought Kenny probably had a a lot of confidence in the silly wanted to get some races and now shows up here on the dirt with Jose Ortiz retaining them out that maiden win so three to one would definitely be my absolute war with her but actually think we'll get a little more with the two Cox is likely to take money and you know that that made and went on the turf she that she made a nice little move and that just bloom away from there and could expect the same thing here at a decent price the horse the horse I keep just wondering about is blood-curdling. This is one of those mystery horses that shows up at a spotlight this and I I totally it's what about a fifty fifty split. The mystery shows up and runs big mystery horror shows up and disappoints and and I will say this about the the two year old shipping in like this and I'm I'm drawing a blank on the name. I know we've seen a Texas bread that Bret Calhoun had he shipped the my pyramid and one this type of race and of course rowdy gates is is in Oklahoma Brad. you know winning it out with but yeah these these types have kind of storm Dan then and one of these big two year old races so I wouldn't let you know where this one broke broke his maiden discourage anyone and especially you know before choice on on the morning line. I think you're going to get the price you well that this is the first the first pair of significant to turn two year old races toward the fall in toward the Breeders Cup and win in your in action at the really really a nice a nice mid-september highlight as Churchill season gets going we also get the races around to turns and would short earlier the open mind and the Locust Grove in the Locust Grove really struggling with the obvious one thing obvious to me but if I can be Denis's moment than you know I won't matter that escape clause or my lady curling one and of course seen a pair come out of a racist this'll down to compete in the greatest fake that Churchill warms my heart so what's for their albeit not at great prices races but I do think in the open mind the Ascott Day on the outside with Carol no no way to declan cannon. Excuse me Danny pilots. is the guy that confided with horses. Your Church really burned me a couple of times in in the spring summer me I think Ascott what day has has a look here at six to one on the outside all right so yeah. That's that's my pick four approach coach GonNa try to beat the favorites in the open mind I'm pretty rocky in the middle two legs but then I think if an actually there is no big before but to start pick five She's going to try to be narrow so I can use a few against Dennis this moment very good all right I i. I'M NOT GONNA I won't I won't argue what anything else on the card. Nothing else on Saturday haven't dug in to much. I gave my church. Oh and I will say I'm running back starship jubilee. I think I pick her and every star this year and I keep thinking man. It's gotta be next time She's GonNa find the right group and I think in in the race the do they call it the Canadian there the the Philly turf free on the Woodbine. My wonder pirate. I think tomorrow's finally the day for me cool. That'd be fine. I got no no the argument I've also utilized utilized her on a regular basis looking ahead to Sunday Churchill kind of more more of a more of a mundane slate but still still okay with the second level second level I would says the feature and and yeah you know more more meat and potatoes. I'm sure those opening Saturday ten but one thing you know Scott Shapiro and I were talking about terms terms of pointing to this me with all the turf Racing Kentucky down and of course Cain Linda world-class turf as well to Churchill isn't but this kind of inbetween need a really great spot for some horsemen to to get some opportunities that the person is on the main tracks here and one thing I under is that the September meet since its inception Churchill which is twenty thirteen trainer Dale Roman positive flatbed our watch for guy people know about and typically takes money and his owners like the bed as well. I thought that was pretty incredible fat on him. that this if need no matter what if you bet you'd be head how and what what's the I saw that you made that that the stat and how many starters does that include one hundred sixty seven. That's I know you can't argue with the statistical significance of that so yeah he's he's one to look and and I did want actually go through all the winters I mean I'm guessing he had a couple upsets in there. Maybe I popped or something. I'd like to see what you know is helping them get to that number but nevertheless yeah over six seasons one hundred sixty seven sorry so we're talking about. Twenty five plus starts in me to be ahead. I think speaks you know pretty well that maybe you know some maybe some form darkening at Saratoga or turf the dirt site move. I'm not entirely sure I need to dig it more to try to find you know maybe we're crisis is gonNA come with me but nevertheless a name to to really pay close attention to Churchill et de got I got a couple of newer got about two more minutes if you want before I let you go anything. anything that we missed. They didn't get a chance to talk to you the last couple of weeks at the end of the summer yeah well. I'm looking forward to the the final run-up. I've seen a few articles in the last couple of weeks about the eclipse award picture which is always a topic topic I enjoy and I mostly agree with them. I don't I can't remember a year where so many divisions were up for grabs and you know even in division who's in for we have kind of clear superstar so to speak like sister Charlie the female serve reality. She's only one two great ones in much admiration ration- as I have for her talent you know that that's not good enough so far which is great because that means you'll have to earn it and talking to Chad Brown round after his spectacular million performance. He is a trainer. That's not shy about saying yeah we we like these awards for our owners and regarding regarding bricks and mortar he mentioned how his barn has never trained a horse of the year and how much that would mean to his operation so the fact that he is aware of what it takes then that he wants to these awards I think is great because I wanNA see Sister Charlie compete at the top end but if a horse like fully like got stormy when the Woodbine mile two great ones against males you know sister travel is going to have to earn it so even in division where there are some superstars no gimmes and hopefully that's going to set up for the second or at this point late third quarter of racing I I sort of was hinting at that after the four star Dave and knowing that she was headed toward this assignment and this is this is this is the Tappin turnpike hike yeah it is and Marquess and other trainer this it's not afraid to tackle pick assignment for you know various rewards whether so you know accolades and obviously the the person's nice as well so it's the setting up by you know Kinda I after the air we weren't a lot of different directions action that things are really coming into focus now ed Derosa Good Luck meet and we'll be watching TV and on the on the simulcast feed and and watch it through the twin spires freshened APP and we should also mention. I'll repeat that Kelly Reilly has got the international sources in focus as well up at the twin spires block. That's right and we're dreaming. Churchill downs today on twin spires APPS when spires on order so check that out for insights into everyday excellent Ed thanks we'll get you back regularly and as we start the march toward readers cup Ed Derosa. EJ Xt to your twitter. Let's take a break coming up on the bottom of the hour. Ferry Eto is going to join us in a couple of minutes. We'll come back from the break. I WANNA give everybody the big challenge layout and so about five minutes into the last half our we'll be joined by Berry. We'll talk more about his terrific book. We haven't talked. I guess probably since June wanted wanted to have more regular visits but my summer was so screwed up the skeptical handicapper berry meadow in a few minutes stay with us back after this with Steve Vic on Sirius. 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They can't it can't hurt you back at the races about twenty five minutes to fill out in this half hour and we'll do it with Berry Beto in just a minute I wanted to however spend a couple AH minutes wishing everybody the best of luck because I know at the end of the show will end up jammed up at the top the top of the hour and I won't get to it but we've we've had so much fun with the beat big challenge and this was floated to me. I don't know maybe two three years ago even by Kief shambling and Michelle Raven and craft and we finally we kept threatening to do it and it's been just so much fun and we had the seven weeks of of qualifiers and we got a big roster almost a thousand people playing tomorrow and a lot of you have have as many as three entries and you know even if you got just one some cases one might be plenty. won't be surprised if you get a winter who only had one entry and the the the whole layout the the whole template is up complete now and you all should have gotten a an email from holly short and the fact the our friend Dan Heart mentioned that he was having trouble finding it ended up in his it is bulk mail so if you don't see it if you had a midweek basically it went out and so you should have gotten it by now and the look in your bulk and junk mail folders just in case the PP's by Akwa base available and I've got a I've got. I've got an entry but I'm going to certainly make selections to here's the sequence. If you haven't had a chance to start the handicap yet it is tricky. got to tell you right now. From what I could tell I went through the races that we weren't going to be talking about on air. We'd would we did the stakes obviously but there's four racists from Laurel and it starts with racists six seven three forty pm is I post and it goes for three hours basically to the woodbine eleventh which is at six forty seven so you got pretty much. you know the the regular afternoon ship for those either play on Saturdays a one mile second level allowance at Laurel. That's got a you you know a nice big full field and I think the east coast weather looks good so starts out with this group going by on the grass then it comes back with a six prolong turf sprint second level allowance again or thirty thirty five thousand and virtually everybody I think is isn't allow it source there. There are no there aren't a horse who cleared the condition in this group. This is a nice field. Then the scene shifts to Monmouth the eighth race at Monmouth twelve five claimer going long on the grass and you gotta again almost all full fields. There's a couple of spots where you get a little breather you know in terms of the slightly smaller and this group at monmouth leads into the Belmont eighth which is a starter allowance go along on the grass for fillies. You'll see a lot of familiar out of familiar horses in here at Saratoga Belmont that back to Monmouth for a second Second Level Allowance Jersey breads. Everybody's favourite Jersey breath this is one of the smaller fields seven Horsfield and and you do have a two one favourite in here for Kelly Breen actually three two favorite should save Jose Delgado off the claim and then end the two to one Kelly Breen Second Choice Belmont State bread allowance short on the dirt. This is a seven Horsfield so you get a bit of a break and then you get steaks pairing. We go to woodbine right for the mile. We talked about it plenty than to back to Belmont for the pebbles. I think I skipped word Laura Race in here. That should have gone. There's a laurel tense in eleven. Where's the there it is? Laurel is a one mile claimer going the the the one turn mile at Laurel then it finishes up after the pebbles you got Bayden sixteens. The only maiden race in the sequence the maiden sixteens means go to mile and a sixteenth on the grass and everybody has started so you don't have any first timers to have to figure out and then the sequence everything finishes up with Belmont and Woodbine eleventh the Belmont eleventh is six furlong thirty thousand nine winter's too and then that money allowance that I asked Ron Gear kink about six long money allowance on the grass for the boys at Woodbine so there's the twelve races and I wish everybody best of luck. I can't wait. It's a follow this and and play along and then celebrate with somebody who's go to vegas out of it and I wanNA thank Holly Short and Michelle Rave Craft to have administered it and everybody that that participated so should be a Lotta Fun the Big Challenge Championship. I love it. happy to get back with us as well and we. I don't know if we have very yet do we. I guess not all right so let's get berry going and we'll close out the morning. Get you into the weekend which I think you know I did not really check. really did not check weather wise and I. There's obviously plenty of plenty of grass racing but I don't. I don't think we've got any issues tomorrow no New York twenty percent down to let's take a look at at Bwi twenty percent now we're we're. I think we're in good shape. Ron said they're they're good at Woodbine and Bama th so we should be. We should be good if the rain's GonNa come on Sunday because we've got carlisle bell in as a MTO. I wouldn't mind that if she could run out Sunday. That'd be okay. Let Me let me give Deja. Handier Deja do have a second I do have a second number if that one if you're we're having trouble with that that might be my fault. I may have given you the wrong number for for Berry the eight Oh five if you've got it yeah. I think that's the yeah I think that's the one the one you want here. I'll send it to you. Try that if you don't have it all right all right well for those of you. Ah that missed any of I think we've had at least two maybe even three conversations this year with Berry Peto about his new book and AH THE WHEN I say new book there virtually isn't anybody out there who hasn't read money secrets at the racetrack which was something of a pamphlet. It's it's sort of the making making very meadow the Thomas Paine of it's kind pamphleteer money secrets at the racetrack and it it has stood the test of time and then in fact when when we had berry on earlier in the year to talk about the skeptical handicapper it was really one of the questions and I'm going to reiterate it to berry because you know he had written a lot of articles since money secrets at the racetrack but he hadn't it a put everything together in a in in a new publishing effort and very meadow joins us again at very good morning great great to get you back on and remind everybody I mean what prompted you to go to the well and to really start the churn out chapters again after such a long really long stretch after money secrets at the racetrack secrets at the racetrack came in nineteen nineteen eighty eight and I spent twenty three years gambling full-time on the bridge so I was pretty busy because when you're gambling fulltime I'm you're up early in the morning. You're checking scratches making adjustments. You're watching all the races all day and night you working on your numbers and working on your trainer. Stats can watch all the replays so I didn't have a lot of time once I retired. I I like to write a book about handicapping just betting and the kind of book I one of the right it would be based on data and that's just my opinion. That's just my experience I'd rather look at the results of hundred thousand races rather than just three minutes. I made on some dangle so it was a break in between I'm happy I reckon I'm happy I came out with well. You know more and more people we'll have I've I've seen more and more feedback about the book for people and you know it it it. It's intense. I mean let let's not pretend that the way you approach things is not exceedingly thorough and and intensive and considering what you did here using data and and really doing a lot of number crunching the kind of unearth you know new ways to approach the game talk a little bit about about about how you even when a when about the the number crunching well I worked with ten mass who has handicapping technology and research. He's been at fair-way emily researcher for many many years and what we would do is we'd disable this angle. What's the best way that we can check it will every erase in North America ten thousand fourteen in two thousand seventeen hundred sixty eight thousand races and we looked at a lot of different things and we came up with a the usual conclusion because we had data? Let me just give you a one off the top orchestras that race less than ten days ago race person ten thousand dollars or more quickly turning. Some people say it's bad worse back into competition other say it's good because you must be in short form well L. Let's check it. We looked at many thousands of racists. We found thirty eight hundred races. We're always won. His last race came back and less than ten days for that who I mentioned purse and these return lane the chance per dollar. That's an amazing record. Considering there was no handicap at all. They won their last race whereas the tennis court what they're wars it was forty one cents dollar per hour and that was based on twenty four thousand races so these are the kinds of things it's very difficult for an individual forget unless you've done the research and that's what we decided to do look at many factors like this talked to that this has been one of the challenges for us in these in these conversations has been how much how much is out there how much information and how many angles and things but from an approach standpoint you bring up you bring up the Roi what from your own playing experience Berry and approach to the game you. How does that fit in? We look at we look at stats. It's so often and a lot of ways we we constantly talk about well so and so's got a positive. Roi And he's got Oh you know he's got a whatever percentage it might be. you know let's say a percentage above the trainers day in day out win percentage adage be what what should we as players key in on in in that equation the percentage the Roi why beware to those stats fit well it depends how many raises you looking at a criminal. Has I wanNA climb starts in particular category. Hateful goes I'm on me has worn forty seven dollars over the course ran the money well. He's got a positive or a wife and maybe be a guy to follow and so it's the combination of Roi and number of scarves second third diploid Virginia's one win but he has ten seconds and ten thirds maybe he's just unlucky on the other end of. US Ten wins and no seconds of note there Mickey one six photos by knows so there's other factors to look at onto remember. The trainers keep changing getting bigger as a quality of interest local and the quality of owners they had changes interesting. I'd top within something might have worked fifteen years. Ago May not be working today. So that's why we try to have latest stats and everything you're not gonNa make money by playing anything anything blindly but what you GonNa do you start off with knowing what works and what doesn't you can integrate handicapping into it and probably are on this is this is esoteric and probably a little tough to define fine but for for slightly inexperienced players and players who were just formulating their approach to to horseplay what what can make it easier for them to to key in on Berry if you if you understand the you know the sort of general nature of the question if there was a a priority priority list what should a neophyte start out what should they should. They feel comfortable about early in their development as a player well I think when you're first starting you have to learn the obvious packers the trainers jockeys what's escape figuring. How are they produced? What's it's a crash that I could earnings per start any measure? That was his best last race things like that. Once you learn those things then it becomes looking for stuff. That's not so obvious because you're not gonNA make money. Following the obvious fact is you're GONNA make money by building deeply into certain factors and by giving something the public is not doing and the approach is different. If you're a casual player goes to once a week you got one hundred dollars new pocket and you. I want to play every race versus somebody that wants to do this reliving the more serious about the game the more you have to do certain things that you were not going to do when you're a casual the player for example every single we play at northern and southern California every single day for twenty three years. The reason is by watching replays. He plays you learn things not so obvious in the chart I if you can figure the probable pace of a race you're way ahead of people dislike. I think so this regression you have to learn the obvious and once you've known the obvious then you're gonNA look at certain factors a little bit more carefully because you realize if you look at things exactly the way everybody else does. You're not gonNA make money. If you look at it different way now you have a chance to make money well and that's really part of the answer or or part of the framework that I I was thinking about which is those kinds of statistics that we see in in uh in whatever PP's we use those are generally you know being seen by everybody. So how do we develop a counter measure a counter intuitive approach to what we know. The public is seeing verses identifying abetting Opportunity Rover public might see something but may not take it seriously for example our research found that workout you're extremely important with inexperienced horses then that's so important with seven-year-olds racing inch clamours but they own import for just starting the corridors consistent escape the workout the distance how regular work and things like that so even though they're in the form of players don't look at them too seriously they figure I can see the workout so much so that would be one factor uh trying to figure out the probable pay the race is something that's difficult for a Lotta people they. They don't understand why horses win and I want you understand that it's a lot of handicapped as runs fine horses that might be good prizes because maybe Gore's hasn't gotten situation situation last raises the public forget about him now drugs into race where everything lines up for him. He's got the right distance. She has a good post his opposition. It is the styles and their race. are not the same as his racing style and so he opened overcome the fact that he may have bad numbers eventually when you're going to make some money looking at stuff it's jeopardy. I'll give you another example of something we found which is simple but the Bouma doesn't even look at it we looked at every single turf sprint nearly ten thousand of them in the forty year period and if you do that were the offenses first-quarter anywhere cleaners best performance in seven starts back then Warsaw recourse over the ten thousand racists and Anti Euro handicapping happen so that's the sort of stuff the night already did canaanite discover for the book is stuff that you can use when you're handicapping not just during like everybody else does us but chronic dive a little bit deeper into why is winning races not just what numbers they run and that that is something something that that you stress and in skeptical Andy Capper it it really becomes I think with any like with any of the the important horse play written works. It's a question of gleaning the the concepts but then being able to incorporate it into your own play because nobody nobody is is well served you know trying to just branch out even even if you're only a marginally successful player you you can't just overhaul your your game. I mean you have to you have to take what you know no and then incorporate the new information and you talk about adjusting Berry I mean this is difficult an era even with all the tools that we have as players we're we're still fighting uphill battle between the computer groups and the edge that they have and then just what take out even before we we play bet one you know you've already got a gigantic pantic hurdle so my question is how do you suggest players. Take the the kind of ideas that you can on earth I and incorporated into their play well. I think I always have to start with facts unless you have the facts then you start making decisions what things are important in order not and then when you look at the O. Handicapping Books People's opinions or they we had a stock race informs options. It'll it'll research but check one hundred races. You might get any possible result. We looked at one hundred sixty eight thousand racist and we discovered things things that the contradict when a lot of people believe for example if a room to talk how likely is it to raise next time that very three quarters of the time is number decline of so if you're just been in his last race which was the latest harbormaster very good bet that would be the kind of happy might WanNa say such a big race equally will run as well next time people like class drops jockeys which is so we looked at many Macau's wounds and racists where horses droppings last and switched to Jackie with more than twenty percents from last year and you got twenty percent lower but you ended up losing seventeen percent on your money so I have dealt with the fact once once you've got that for the weaknesses that the public does the public this week in certain areas. They don't spend a lot of time watching replaced they don't understand and look at warm-ups in lately allies work much of that pedigree they claim is one percents into the details of AH training who cares. It's maybe some training young drops awards in class trying to get rid of him others. You're looking for the win they don't understand bodyline which there's a lot of stuff is not so good at and that's one's year win trying to find out who has the fastest Pinkney last races cub lance raise kind of a waste of time because awnings Justin who goes very he as a stack of his last race at higher what happens too much time out well if he was three to four percent it he was eight to one or more he the one four percent. The public knows how to find these sources so instead loan for something. The public is not so that I don't have time for it today but I what we when we visit next I want you to talk about going against a and picking areas where players have a level playing field versus the computer groups in particular. I know I brought this up with you in the past but we I want you to give a dissertation on it because it's certainly an area that in your career as a player you've seen the advent but let me finish with one simple question the you find and and have you found very that there are a specific set of conditions editions whether it's distance surface circuit where the most glaring opportunities present themselves most regularly really funny one time between the asked me when the first printing synthetic tracks he said well as a horse player that can make a difference not we know just put something out there and off beat it mainly have to stretch your own youkilis circuit because you're traveling with different advancing differences short compositions different prefer a simple purpose some trainers prepare for certain meat and don't prepare so much other meat which uses preps you have to understand in your local horse population your local trainer population and when you do that you really have an advantage over the computer which I thought that a few months ago ring rain one of those James Groups I asked him is a learn player can can do well even today actual because we're trying to get as much money ah down as possible we hear the indepth dies in individual player Moses on circuit so it also started learning everything you can about here own track according to we're back bending over track in the country. I I agree. I mean I'm willing to play different circuits just because I it it's sort of part of what goes on the show today we're talking about woodbine tomorrow and and church is going to start tomorrow. I played the the Saturdays of Kentucky downs because we were talking about it but generally I mean I. I'm most comfortable when I'm you know when I'm playing New York on a regular basis and until this past winter Santa Anita of an and before that Hollywood but I ah it it does feel like your best served you know getting immersed in in one one circuit or or in a region of the country autry where horses may overlap quite a bit and just you know being very focused and being able to follow horses and and you talk about doing the work replays well. That's going to lend itself to betting turf races where the most bad trips are at surfaces interpreters if you don't watch replays what chance do you have really because turf rates is generally speaking brunch where dirt roses the winners went win by a lot more on we had a physics book about this. a bad trip makes pick you consider race and the bad trip might consist of how wide visit horse what was the patient in the race win is down. I'm grounded you save. Those are all very very important thing chirp chirp pans. You've got to allow the harnessed handicapping together needs to do. I would always look for trips favoring horses. Maybe didn't get the best trips but it was not obviously a bad chip like he wasn't blocked and he was raging and with a lot of speed he wanted to get out and he couldn't well. Everybody sees bad. You're looking for things a lot more subtle than that for example half of the recent for my wife on the charity I say how why was he doing and his wife moved just kind of floating out there and observations nations muse always the best way to learn that stuff in the mortgage observe and the federal government the more you understand why horses winning Lewis once you understand that you'll be able to put them in the context of today's raises and decide that this defender sponsor them or worse by it's always a good spot when we've got buried meadow to talk to T. R. Publishing Dot Com if you wanNA order direct from Berry and I bet he would even autograph it for you and Amazon everywhere else the skeptical handicapper and great to get very back in for the fall and we'll get the more regular conversations again berry. Thank you authorized authorized joining very Beto one of the great handicapping and playing minds. He said he wanted to

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HOUR 3: Richard Baltas, Jimmy Jerkins

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HOUR 3: Richard Baltas, Jimmy Jerkins

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program when it comes to horses we mean business for more information visit business dot louisville dot edu slash equine but i do one thing to real tom going to shut all over the place they died that day there's no doubt that they were back in the race is on two hours three and i've made richard vote this way far too long de joins us now end he has added eight queen's plate to his growing list of successes one bad boy a certainly got a scenario rio where flavian pratt could take control and that's what he did richard congratulations on one of the great prizes at a trainer can add to the residents say thank you thank you very much yeah it was good it was a good day for us but i think the horse you know he he just relax a little bit taking the lakers off helped him a lot so i think that was part of the key you know when you got a got a pretty relaxing laid out there and i did not in the distance but 'em seem to get it in wanted more at end so pretty happy about it as you should be an certainly this is a horse are listeners richard we brought him up with you and you absolutely knew early on that there was a a a talent there to deal with if i talk about you know satisfaction of knowing that there's a certain date on the calendar and we think about it so often with derby a but you know this is just as much of an opportunity for you know fern ontario sired ontario bread a horse to participate in the canadian triple yeah you know like i guess he knew bottom i i mean i've always liked the horse family rain beginning in now am i right down the street near my guys at this is derby horse and i just kinda laughed it off a little bit because some they kind of looked a little bit in immature side of the beginning you know but he just came along came along slow in a you know i want to try to run among the dirt i think it right on the first time and then it came up sloppy one race we ran into omaha beach rent secondary him and 'em random on the turf 'cause i knew i always knew he could run the turf is only atlantic on the bottom side in tournant andy so you know it's really bread for the grass and he looks a little more trophies in dirt but a ninety one pretty impressive that day until 'em yeah i think the horses get ready when they get ready you know if you if you try to force race only you know especially horses 'em you know everybody wants to be in the kentucky derby but sometimes that's not the right thing to do for the horse i mean i think if the horses you know ready to run the derby and everything's going great but you know everybody gets derby fever sometimes a horse of when you run in there they go by the wayside and you got a backup on him and regroup so we just we just got we got a lot to it's an end to a large degree when you think about these de ontario bread side of this is you know having the having the triple crown in canada set up the way it is you know end of june or or first week in july typically a this was this was a kind of a new scheduled date for the plate a at the end of june that actually bought you time and really you know really helped set up the opportunity to participate yeah i mean it wasn't an overnight decision and you know we ran in that up north we were looking for spots in white just decided molly rent and that so i think it would be alcatraz and you're getting into the bathroom horse on the league in the first thing that a fly being said when he got off the horse teaches yeah you know i i maybe i should have went to the league he just didn't seem to settle i was right next year the horse is pulling really hard he didn't he didn't relax and then we actually got beat up a wire by a pretty good horses john martin so 'em when we came back down here where certain way me options lot the queen's plate in you know start looking at the other contenders and and it's like well that kind of money i mean look like we we should probably go and 'em so we we thought about taking the blinkers often so we took the lakers off a couple of works in company without the blinkers any he seemed to didn't bother me one bit you know i think when he was younger he was just looking around a lot so we slept the lakers autumn but so i think it really helping settled and the yup that's what made him kind of show while i think he's got the federal well as for the team that's be involved here say jay racing and greg hall and a recovered a of the racing manager's office aj a this is they this this is a really nice story and you know once again it's a horse that the body is actually originally an sixty five thousand 'cause i remember you and i talked about that about about him being a a rig and you know any any possible you know tricky difficulties that that they sometimes that provide sixty five thousand dollar keeneland you're rolling a must have been about three or four and a what a what a great scenario for that ownership team yeah i'm brooke cookbook the horse book the horse out a well thought she also brought the half sister sister that i have is bad behavior who's a year older right and 'em she's mistakes when herself and great folks place and i gave her a little rush she's on her way back for the rest of the meat i mean down at del mar she might make the belmont and then you know we'll see how how she does after that but yeah i mean so she has a half sister that this guy so pretty good family in a you know she she the break up with your so that you know you bring up this bad behavior and you have this damn accumulate nimble there's also a super speedy who is turning into eight very nice sire the in canada is getting a lot of winners and then there's a two year old named blessing truly and i'm curious where that philly may have turned up a lot but look i know you will find out now you may they how they were gonna get broke on actually i i wanna give her a chance the you know certainly here with a yearly market just getting started this week the july sale starts tomorrow and the horse racing racing age sale it's a face except in tomorrow will preview that but i did see richard where you after some you know wavering or not wavering but you wanna take a wait and see after last week i did see where you've come back and said you're you're sums up the try forty eerie in the prince of wales yeah i mean when the horse came back good and you came out of the race very well and now i mean it's it's a four hundred four hundred thousand dollar raise to the second leg and i mean i think the third leg is on the grass so i mean if we could get by this one in win this race the you know i think we have a good chance to win the whole thing but yeah i i was you know i would want him government before i make decisions and 'em obviously talked to be owners and we all agreed to stay so still buying with my assistant philippe he's he's up there with the horse in a m scheduled the breeze on wednesday so i think we get to breezes and then well run excellent and i think they are they are they still running that like on a tuesday or the i know that's a sign of they twentythird so week from very good so two weeks from a weather what's today a losing track of the headline day today's ea two weeks from tomorrow two weeks from tomorrow twentythird there we go there we go nice mid a nice mid week action a at a forty three and a their big day in the knock on wood forty or he continues to plug away well richard the queen's plate that you had you had opportunity be up there before we've got a we've forgotten what about i didn't i didn't make that because i like you know i was doing other things here but you know hopefully make it to the forty race we got my eyes opening up my assistance with the horse he's more than qualified i would just fly up there in the catalog so 'em we've got a lot of work but if he washes here and then we've got fifty at family ray so were still pretty busy swell and will talk about a will talk about the summer and what lies ahead as well but the one it's a really congratulate on one bad boys performance let me a let let's talk about what's been going on and preparations for the summer and i did see you ran a dallas i in fact yesterday a that flynn in the in the our turf a back to back seeing a sale today or tomorrow i think it's to be so she was basically going over there to run and then be sold so i think the partnership is splitting up and you know so we just decided well since you're gonna be over there will run over there is a little the wind it in the race but she seemed the comeback well so she's going through the sale in a row take it from there well she's a she's a four year old and you know she's she's made a hundred thousand she's won three times so will see somebody could she's a wildcat air a you know from a breeding standpoint attractive and a somebody can have a ready made ready made stakes type a out of the words and actions horse racing age group tomorrow at a at the facing sale is is quite nice a little while ago that you also had a couple of wins you had a couple of wins at the low south and done another week another week ago before the scene shifts now the now the del mar yeah i'll do find myself fun going in del mar so you know meets the surf give us give us a little preview preview of the barn going in and a you know what we have a lot of nice young horses a let's see we have a few to be ready and 'em when we have i've got some urals some european horses that have come over to my clients have fought and a few maiden i mean i got a got a bunch of bunch of conditions and obviously got horses for the banker many colonial create probably gonna run thank commanding and a maybe lady prance why she might not be ready but she's she's on her way down there and we got the del mar oaks del mar derby little boy that's a pretty nice source main mom i'm drawing a blank he won the senate mind anyone pets vena storm okay so he's gonna he's gonna run in all in all my derby you he's really good horse and a script that we we were invited the del mar i mean the belmont derby but we flipped it well these guys with down here and they wanna see the worst nightmare so shrum that is lower at i mean we should have a good me where we have plenty of nice young horses and plenty of older horses so i mean don't have any big handicap horses though so yeah i like that division looks pretty tough i mean colonial john sadler's is gonna be renting and then at the cruiser yeah yeah so there's gonna be some great racing down there this year well i certainly everybody's looking forward to it and that includes the little the little red better team in fact believes gonna delay catch will be on with us next week they've got a terrific fundraiser that i want i want bill leader publicize a speaking of speaking of little red fatter and del mar what the marquees waters gotta run down there right yeah oh yeah we got we got the big philly secrets fights going around the corner to rush that's in the first weekend i think she's training unbelievable and we have marquees water yeah he's gonna run in i think eddie reid and then the del handicap and we have another silly there's called the old one she could run in the fleet treat the cupboard little steak with three year old phillies and then we have a few others for them so yeah they're gonna be very very tough very good horses and also design at a you know you're you're you're getting plenty of opportunities for for justin enough mad and the family and it looks like that luna a it seems like good yeah there's some upside yet there for that one yeah yeah i mean she she we figured out that she wants the turf 'em you know she's one under investigation is is longer on the graphs and she she likes come from behind but she's trying very well at a little steak twin with her she's beautiful philly 'em met bob and jackie coming back a little bit of ways away he's a very nice through your colty he got he got injured a little pastoring degree in the back leg and a he's on his way back back at the barnes about you know he'd beat omaha beach and he's a very good ores grass so in a few more so yeah it's who were just going along and doing the best you can with all the horses to more i wanna ask about madman a yellen j the violence a building yeah madman he he went first time out and unfortunately had a little chip in the ankle then out yeah i came out of the way chip in that has been removed moved on the far right after the rain so combat we missed del mar but yeah that happened but he's very very nice coat and another one that yet another three year old this with the phillies that'll this one took some time to to break through this is a cow bradford little red center what's going on with the with her yeah that was just mentioning her she broke in and then she ran she's at three year old filly a you know she was the violence used to be a you know a little quirky corky philly engineer more time so embed running the end a were gonna run made in the league treats if not allowing elbert for her so i wrote work joined the third game in company in you know she's really bread auditor but i think she could run dirt as well i have the whole family you know she's a half sister to marquees water and i had the other one but see smoke with their other sister and yeah so that's what we're doing with the outstanding how you you referenced you were hitting some two year old richard who's who's your favorite two year old that everybody should write that i have to name king overly each really like the basketball player again yeah yeah slam dunk homes part of that same i i love dearly five thousand year like you need right here on a peace of mind call me being so nice one in seven nights a much nicer the other two year olds but you know i think right now he's i'll be the most forward in genoa italy for everybody and there's one we'll give everybody some two year olds and richard before we go i one of the most important questions that blue suit you wore a church where where did you get that that goes that's a good starting at two am so when i which we had a horse called good year for rosen sure alban down racing we want a great steak but the cutting in bush's one of the owners of amazon's gonna all go to vegas we make it make it and i'm paying for them so so a yeah we went over there and a look at the fabrics and stuff tonight just everybody's picking now these flags and stuff like that like i kind of like this like look if you put it on like wow look pretty good that's the story that was the president may be wash action or and i haven't downs and it was just kind of like a fun thing they one of the guys at the bar well that's what i'm glad i asked and i'll put the picture up for those for those that don't wanna see because it was i i know when i when i see it that's gonna fit well at del mar actually that may that may be like a winter winter circle special right when you pull that out for you know i it where you know once in a while so that the that'll make you that'll make you a regular that that one that one was money without a doubt richard always fun to connect and i know that everybody is looking forward to you know getting del mar going after such a difficult winter and spring and a blow south providing a a nice a nice little break here as a certainly within her forces as they get ready to go down there and best of luck i know will talk to you during the summer planning begging cruciate oh i appreciated richard ball this who does such a great job and a as the queen's plate is growing resident i will take a break here nick walk is gonna join us in jimmy jerkins before we wrap it up on this modern day as the second half of twenty nineteen underway here on sirius xm at the races back after this with sirius xm d r f sports one digital edition you're ultimate weekly guide published by daily racing form d r f sports one delivers olivier analysis and insight you need for every nfl game more than 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free were back coming up on just about the bottom of the hour an nypd walk is tied up and so will get the knicks tomorrow i apologize and that brings us instead to jimmy jerkins an jimmy what's on my list even before saturday a because holy halina with a very nice win goes back up to woodbine at the site of success of course the the queen's plate an wins the dance smartly so we gotta talk about that and then of course on saturday preservationists who centennial and jimmy have waited for patiently to get over some barking dogs a feet problems no no no wars jimmy and a obviously when you have those you got a hell of a horse congratulations on another suburban win yeah thanks yeah they they really finally got find got some continuity in his training and racing where he could really showing to show what he could really do you know you see horses like this and it clearly it's a it's a testament to the don little junior and and you and your team you know just biding you're time not getting frustrated you know beyond beyond the you know the usual kick the cat frustrations but it you explain to everybody what goes on an and how you how you you look at at a horse like this and the give and take between you and donen and you know giving him time and how much time he spends friends at the racetrack how much time dizzy spend you know turned out an you know these the ferrier's in the in the specialists that that work with a horse like this well you know it but that that's what it comes down to whether you're able to tolerate that much just put that much time in i mean he was very expensive this four and eighty five thousand any showed an enormous amount of ability is female family is is just incredible goes back in the good old king ranch family a plus arch you know we all know how good this guy in march was so just one of those deals where you just you know you just you just had the stick it out you know for obvious reasons a on you know financially it gets it gets hard after all that much time but you know if everybody everybody just decided to just write this out again you know when a bank fully finally finally cut coming to fruition and really the way the schedule is worked in for you and that also you know is part of this story that you know here you are with him as you mentioned having continuity and here's you know one of the one of the great racist historically for the handicapped division and certainly one you know you understood you know what kind of a horse could succeed you talk about you know taking the shot the on saturday yeah well he looked like a the way one is comeback race was was you know i didn't expect expect him to run that big i thought he might come up a little short of the race we crammed a why i didn't wanna miss it because i wanna get going but at the same time we ended up cramming a lot of work into these short period of time a lot of times that doesn't work out you know the the horses end up getting a little too nervous from it and they don't go over there and they don't they don't run quite what you thought they would but yet they're going to his class he a he handled the good and he couldn't couldn't have gone any better we were thrilled with it and they any bounce quite out of it so we were pretty as long as we keep keep his work schedule up a stretch out to the mile and a quarter of we thought we thought he could you know we thought it'd be tough swell and of course he he also in in this calendar and it's it's really quite something 'cause this was his eighth career start is now five four eight an was sidelined from from june of of sixteen after you know his debut it did not come back until end of seventeen it took two starts to break his maiden andy did that sprinting which is certainly no worthy a and then you started a stretch him out and a you know really that that second spread between february of last year in january of this year a what was the you know the give us again the the reid on on that time well let's see how he went we just don't really wanna get into what is what the whole deal was but he just he just ended up he ended up having even little little hiccups on the while he was on a farm so that's why it's called back when we when we thought when we thought he would but then we just he we didn't have any luck within the first time we went to florida with them and that's why we kept and then we kept him in new york a the last two two winters but at which he did which he did well but everyone knows when when the feet start to become an issue with the times all talk tough time to deal with feet and a you know with the chemicals in the track and the and the cold and it's just you know you can't defeat the just don't hold you get the corner cracks which he's had plenty of a matter of fact we had one after a guy when they have three everyone in the winter and actually had a couple of a man you know we had a we have we have of of blackness do a terrific job in and get them going and a like i said thankfully every athlete gotten to this to this allowance race a at belmont when we first opened we were lucky you that we you know you able to hit he didn't he didn't have any didn't have any stumbles along the way they get ready for the suburban once we got him over there i thought you know once we got over a piece of the suburban and we had didn't have any didn't have any issues with a cop and he was gonna take those two sloppy tracks were their concerns when you have to deal with that i mean is that when when you've got this kind of a horse and and i gotta say jimmy a lot of the things you're saying remind me of the struggles in the decision making that that played you a little bit with quality road yeah light it didn't last long with him though this is a once once the once you start having those problems after the florida derby is the sevens is very difficult with me and he just he didn't know he he blamed it on he blamed it on me and you know whatever that's the kind of he he wasn't great he was a great breeder and a great a great that way but he he used to work for you as a corporate man through and through didn't want any excuses and we just didn't see eyetoeye after that so unfortunately i didn't keep adding to a to having for the rest of his career but yeah this yeah basically the same deal with with with this guy and like you say with those with those muddy track there you always you always worry about them how they gonna pull up after a crack like that but he he's bread for dixieland band and all these but i was i was thought he was confident he would handle it because his pedigree suggested that he handled so a i i wasn't i wasn't overly overly concerned when it got right down to it now you mentioned you alluded to the family involved here at emory hamilton as certainly in shoguns has trained of any number of the ones that the that that mr hamilton is capped a including hungry island right and this is also the family a i know one of the sisters one of the sisters of the damn i i know it opens reno and very zano come from this family to the two brothers and it's yeah this is this is they stallions pedigree through and through and soda window suburban and it'd be set up to you know to to win some handicap braces like this a it's it's absolutely huge you surprised i know you surprise the andy a during the telecast a on saturday jimmy mentioning that you you wanna be a little conservative in in terms of getting into the breeders cup classic a thinking maybe you wait now until the woodward in fact forum well i don't you know it just by i dunno i i i don't know why this is why the whitney so postal rates maybe maybe maybe they think the same losses of would run this apartment in front of the white why it's why was set up this way it'd be so close together the way the way most people wanna race horses nowadays 'em i mean it's not what he's not totally out of the question but i just i don't i don't bunch we will get 'em up there in a couple of days up in saratoga and and the and once we once we get his first work under his belt will they will make decision but i would i would i would lean towards in funding in there just as we say in today has he has he spent time at saratoga before you know it's a good question i don't think so now they think think of it i don't think he ever made a trip up there i really do i think when when someone saratoga time role the rolled around he is a he wouldn't be back the farm by that time but he may have may have early early on but i don't remember if you go yeah exactly it you gotta have long memories of go back to the his his three year old year and so forth but i it you know it my guess is when you when you look at when you look at when he's been good it's it's been in the cool weather and i'm just i'm kind of just spitballing the that he should do well up here i'm guessing yeah you know i don't see any reason why not you know we've been manatees that he's six years old who knows you might have might have outgrown a lot of the stuff that we've dealt with when he was younger who knows but just will just hoping that you know he's shown when he he's he's certainly shown once if you get him over there over the gate he'll he'll he'll he'll give you everything he has and then he has a lot well junior alvarado gets along with you know very well and the way that the way that trip on folded it does feel like he can adjust the paces if they if they're gonna let somebody get away easy he he could stay close if they're going yeah oh he he can go slow and he he seems seems very tactical that way then that's that's a that's a tremendous that's it for for horse you know of any train or or jockey will tell you that it makes everything a whole lot easier no question well for you it's a third suburban to go with the tuesday after next scored yet yeah that's a i think it's a seven seven suburban women between me and my dad a pretty good doubles do right devils doing a pair ever taught devil twice bolt purple along time ago when i got young and a politically for how about that about that well this is this is a fun story and and by now you've gotten you got word that the figure came back enormous you wanna wait buyer yeah you know he's so it it isn't it isn't anything we didn't think he was capable of healthy enough that short so that part of it is surprising it's just that we got lucky able able to get him over there in one piece and just hope we hope we still can't continue well there there's also i i had expected will talk about holy hell later admitted a but i i had fully expected to talk to you about winning on sunday to width state dinner and of course state dinner a he himself a suburban win going back for a computer is the name of the race was a state dinner i i know i know and i was gonna say that i expected you to win yesterday with candy wral i'm this supplies i'm surprised you want a favorite i really was i mean he he ran he ran his last two races were were huge part of that you know the i thought the company was pretty suspect so i i was surprised he went off let's favorites but you know that they made a couple of good points all the handicappers you know the the the horses that were favorites were coming off of you know they kind of looked like they want all form a little bit so they'll say yeah those times where you i guess i guess they were picking the pick up the hot sauce yep well but you know you you there there is a certain there is a certain odd harmony of course getting beat by assan carinthian yeah i know and he you know he's back later but the you know paul carinthian didn't have a very successful career fortunately for everybody but you know this is the ironic enough we got beat by the best one that's it it's true and he sort of righted the ship in this spot but you know candy candy granted it's you know it's a it's a nice it's a nice mark what what do you do with him next good question i mean will take i thought i thought he was making headway again at the very end good seekers now now i don't the saratoga in a race that fits him going a mile and they i wouldn't worry about it you know he did win going a mile and eight and the allowance race coming back florida but that was very he feels really no i really didn't know what to make of that if that was really singer not but i thought he made a i thought he made a second run as a horse at the very end yesterday that was i was i was happy to see that is now the head of saratoga i wouldn't i wouldn't think that he couldn't handle you know a mile and make against federal law says that he did before swell and frankly there's no reason not to run him in the in the whitney well i dunno that's that well it's you know we've that that'd be the same be the same thought process for not one the runoff the fact that you know that would be that'd be a quick turnaround for he would fight he replied orces more wasn't even time okay yeah yeah i mean everything good sound and everything like that but he he laid down most common interests of those good to see them give you give you what they have you know well in that then that's telling then because the any a funny horse to jimmy when you look this is one of those horses took four tries to break his maiden then it took four tries to get v allowance under his belt you know what i like courses like this you know you just you just give it lethem feed feed kind of spoon feed them and and they'll well you know work their way up the ladder yeah you know he had we had trouble with him early in his career home homeless flush you know you never you never held the flesh like we wanna do when he was young and that that that was the reason why you didn't show now he's now he's a beautiful you know he grew into a big beautiful wall the horse now he filled out we've got great color to him so you know he's seeing we're seeing what you know we'll see in the will see in the real fanny gram now so and a second have a decent year well you look you wanna see or develop you know from they started in the winter of his three year old year in february but it sixty buyers seventy buyers eighty buyers into the ninety a range of ninety seven in that allowance when a on break this weekend at belmont the one turn mile and now triple digit you know what i mean he he's just dancing in this is hobbyhorse it'll be at his best is a five year old yeah you know like i said take take some of of a long time they get their act together and get strength that it takes to be a good horse and spicy in new york and you know if some of them every seven some of the never do nothing so i'm not sure you know they they disappointing but the you know as long as you head nounce it like centennial you're always allowed where you'd never under any pressure keep going even if you don't like what you see you know if you know this is a big investment for everybody with the with the money that they paid the money they pay for maintenance you know they're willing to willing to ride it out as far as you know as far as we've been you know they're getting rewarded for big time big time and speaking of rewards let's and i do wanna come back and talk about saratoga with you but let's talk about holy halina and why what a what a fascinating mary she is a you go back to woodbine and they gotta be thrilled to have her a comeback there now a five year old she's a turf wars now an i you know i thought she was up against it a little bit from a pay standpoint i thought that a that starship you believe was gonna be very tough tough on the front end end a man you got a terrific ride by a hobby air end she actually ended up dominating yeah she's been doing very well she's since since florida i mean all they're all all winter and then when she came back 'em she was on lucky lucky in the in the new york is what i think is that the name of the race i think the race before the dance smartly 'em the new york yeah yeah yeah the new york and she yeah she got kinda she got kinda stuck behind when she was trying to rally just you know that's what happened in those races they feel thought the ball up and they backup into a little bit she she didn't get out in time and i thought gee i thought she finished up good and a just didn't wanna i just wanna do you wanna sit on a they really they really wanna run in the diana really get three of four chat great one winners and an m i thought the dance smartly even though it was only three weeks away he certainly didn't she didn't she only ran at the very end of the new york and didn't have a heart race so we decided decided to decide the ship corrupt there the run and ended up winning it thing is i think she's going to stay up there though are next to starts because a the the pete taylor in early october right is is what the what the real goal is for her look like the look like the of all the races that are around it looked like it looked like the the one that might might sue the best get some great one a you know encounter on the page 'em so most and and they have race the race about a month before prep for so they decided would decide what's gonna corrupt there till then so i won't here for a while well it is is will will she get transferred to somebody or how's that gonna work but my i mike doyle will have okay yeah so a matter of fact whatever i shipper up there she goes into his barn so we were you know we we talk back and forth daily so we we got a good we got a good relationship we always we always did know he's will so 'em we'll tell me stuff about her and i'll tell you know stuff i observed from her having a year so you know it'll it'll be a team effort holy halina who now is eight per eighteen and a the you know the money piles up to and the ghost sapper daughter a out of the holy bull mayor holy grace ultimately will end up in india dina broodmare band and you would imagine and a she's been great for you she's she's just consistently we already in the third round of all i can't imagine well let's get a couple of other hits in here jimmy while we got jimmy jerkins where there's a me host talk about the i guess everybody ran into a buzzsaw with drug in the dwyer but there were a lot of people who who thought it was gonna be nielsen's day well i thought he ran i thought he ran very well i was happy with it right but a yellow is another one of those deals i didn't know if he'd be quite ready for the race 'em then he can't the hand became the hand quickly in you know he had a three of four good works back you're backed up back which and handle it well so we decided to give it a chance 'em but i thought the race with i thought it was set up for and then that's it i thought there'd be a little more pace is on paper look like there would be a lot more pace the close into and didn't just didn't pan out and he ended ended up going little little white sharks jokes are slip through and we went wide and a he probably had a legend you know just having his little break after a great great race in the derby is thought he any look terrific in the attic of course also which all of us did too but i thought i thought we're a little behind the eight ball a conditioning wise but i was i was i was very happy with the re randy cutting including the good including a good run at the head of a stretch but the horses adam just didn't do enough early so they had they had something left and just ran evenly down the lane but i was a i wasn't disappointed at all this effort do you do you look toward jim dandy do you think probably probably you know i dunno just half the after you know with the with the longer meet i'll just have to take a closer look at things and like i said once we get up there get situated and get i'm going will will have a better idea where we going how how's the schedules it is it is it that much of a wrinkle what's what you feel going into thursday in and the eight weeks five days or no no it's so it's kind of you know it's just crept crept up on us a little bit we may know why don't we we we ran a lot of horses here a late in the meat so we're gonna be a little quieter early on up there but yeah it's it's it's taking it you know like we just really don't really feel kinda strange heading up there already but i agree that's the that's the way it is gotta go with the flow well it's gonna i everybody everybody keeps telling us all of our all of our california counterparts a horse playing counterparts media a horseman they all say they were gonna wonder jimmy after two weeks were gonna say how did we go six days he's a week for as long as we did but everybody's gonna love it right i know a couple of notes let me get the feedback on speaking stronach runners how about that first meeting winner from last week greenlight go on thursday yeah he he he his works were all good i was surprised i'm surprised he busted out of the gate as quick as he did it seems like no matter what i do a horse's never first time i run i've never seen the break and he goes oh six sessions as expected the same thing but i i always look at first time starlings looked at the packers i figure of the dopey the the club will come out and my wife will be like behind the league i don't know why that happens we do plenty of all kinds of gates golan's but it just seems like one of those things but i was you know he come out of there running and it wasn't a planet gone up to the league but i you know what do you want attracts as fast as ben and and the rails and so good when you're hawks breaks that quick you get a league that easy certainly not gonna come back after that so it it it worked out how progressive you get the with him going forward or kenny came out and a good you know shins you always worry about horses to you're young horses with the shins you know especially when the track as fast like that 'em buddy came came out good show will go up there and i dunno what what they they have set up a special or something might right be climbing wise might be good so a will most likely point so that that's great that's exciting damage a two year old like that yeah and i just i wanna see i didn't i had looked at the at c a i had looked at i gotta pull of the figure up a in fact as did you gotta figure on this enough right who is five i had a i think he got an eighty five buyer i think holy cow all right so the you you definitely got something here how that all right greenlight go and hard spun we we got eleven and a firm first first run x end 'em who else what else you had a i had a bunch of things for you a well rocketry course it was the mile and a quarter to short yeah yeah probably i probably i dunno why i put the blinkers on just thinking i i kind of knew in my heart it wasn't gonna make a difference in the fight might be a detriment someone says you know he he's such a i i hated the change it try changes style and so on it you know just letting the lumber rather there in and do his thing but a i just thought it was worth a try he was wayne closer than he usually does see that those things would always tell bottom el salvador later in the race you can't you can't change the horses style drastically like that they're not gonna have the same tickets again this is what happened to him you know i remember years and years ago when they were getting frustrated with god odell so a get mad at the del who say let them come to survive so they put good erawan i'm darrell making way closer and that's what he did he laid closer we didn't have any did have been here though that's the you can't if they don't have that if they don't if that's not their style and i just don't have that early speed you really can't make a show at a and if they do they're they're just not gonna be there for these slowly begin so will give you a nice little break doesn't seem like there's a there's a cup property there's a chance you probably won't might not run till that race you ran you one philmont last year after sarasota or the or the or the one in a park on the greenwood i believe so that's probably where he'll go that quavo correct no that i like it that the absolutely that's the place that's the place to go and that's all that's all residual from from the program that the the breeders cup had said the marathon and it it got hofer those sources and the the axe responded with those in the brooklyn brooklyn became a feat in and all that so yeah he's well jimmy before we wrap up saratoga a thursday and then what about the what about the made in the you got to you overland in in yeah they they have a form is in isn't the greatest but m i put them both in because i thought i prefer the one that obviously the one that is only good race was the turf race so i preferred him over the other guy but a witch hunt if some reason it comes off the turf we run i might even run a bolt if he draws in i might even run both get him going they poke and training together doing so ns and overland hasn't run on the turf yet so this might be might be worth worth it's you know just stead of waiting around for a dirt race it go might as well just getting going if take the very nice and click attached is a first samurais he's originally the brad cox had a last year is a two year old and how many you got her from mr anthony i have three i have these two and i have on race the three year old who's been training good name some sound these like either so safra clinton paid pretty good money from three three and a quarter or three fifty i believe that of a smoke glacken there i think he got very sick sick i think he got the mon you're something close to the monia but he had a they had a horrible time with them i know and the endless went to ocala for a good while and i had him having having mobile almost two months now maybe a little shorter two months but i love how extreme itself off it made me main stashes off their hope is hoping to start about three quarters but first made special up there for the horses is going seven so but but i think i think he's he's he's been working pretty hard and he's he's a hearty little guy and i like what i see so far we give us his name again psalms sound s o m e f sound i think i think it's i think it's a one in the santa these vacation spots in maine or something he names all his horses after you know like someplace where he comes from an arkansas sure off of places where he where where we like it go so it's kind of absolute pie timber and a and a of a who else is a a oh my god these other a so funny when you go springs you drive drive right across the road as you're as you're coming at the town one of one of his a like a field that a but of course now operating under shortly jimmy it looks like the years going great and a looks like it should be a great summer can't wait to see you and a no will talk soon all right thanks a lot always tremendous the catch up with jimmy jerkins and texas right to the top and you're jimmy jimmy's gotten very active on twitter were not were not gonna pretend the jimmy's doing the tweeting himself but right what are you doing anything i have you have you yourselves sent out any tweets you no not one all right we're gonna we're gonna do something in the paddock at saratoga we're gonna we're gonna get you the said that you're first week okay i reached the jimmy yeah so fun jay underscore jerkins racing

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HOUR 2: Johnny D

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

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HOUR 2: Johnny D

"Strong in their mind mind john brennan john brennan to die in the back of the races fifteen into our to really get why see johnny come home and johnny did come home after he in jail took in their cape may july fourth experiences they always do johnny welcomes the summer steve somers summer's here and the time is right exactly exactly a dancing in the streets for the start of saratoga thursday i know like everyone everyone said this one true can't believe it's here in public partially because of starting a week earlier that that i can't believe this year but you know and i at the end when saratoga begins of course i look forward to visiting their 'em an and it's gonna be great this year i'm gonna i'm gonna do they the coveted racing double see the coveted summer racing double double header i'm gonna catch del mar in saratoga in the same summer and that is always a worst clerk could be that everything is what you will but i don't wanna think about my saratoga trip i push in the back of my mind if the punch to i wanna push back because of course you know like come up with will travers weekend and we look forward to that drivers weekend it's so wonderful we look forward to it but end of the summer and i don't wanna rush the summer when it's taken time so every time i think about the saratoga trip i say no no no forget it that's that's way in august don't watch it let's concentrate on what's going on now so summer now that's a fair point and you know as as those of us you know the the lira we you know we all know you hit travers weekend and it is it's the signal you know thirteen i go back to within within a fortnight and all that it is you're absolutely right you know the you know the end is near and that's a as we as we have said when the last race runs at at saratoga when they come around the turned for home a you could feel the cool to the fall that comes back that without his durkan that i know who is dark in that a created that that scenario but or or something i i read it might have been you know who knows it could be a red smith the ism but in the meantime we do have what looks to be great kick off a certainly the weekend looks fabulous and a thursday there's a there's you know some saratoga summer weather a potentially a thursday and friday but a some chances of of thunderstorms but a you know the train will pull out of the station johnny and before we talk about some of the racing of what's gone on the last ten twelve days since we spoke last let's give everybody the get it out of the way and and make sure they're aware of how fun in the sun works as it comes scheduling standpoint obviously it's coming it's kickoff is coming remake early took absolutely actually but saturday settlements that will kick off skews me i'm sorry and the the great thing about this year we've got a you got eight weeks of fun in the sun and it's gonna kick off july thirteenth which is this saturday and fun in the sun is the weekly online handicapping competition to express bet account holders in each saturday in july and august and what you get the jewish wager make a live ten dollar wager on one horse in each of ten mandatory racist and we're gonna weekly prizes to the top honors five thousand the first to tell the second a thousand the third five hundred before so all you have to do is finish worker better the iron throne some of that money plus since the wages are alive if you pick a couple of winners along the way the cockpit basically you know pays for itself there's no registration city there's no excuse me don't take out the rich a the experts at no pay the freight put all contest so all the prize money is it it is awarding bikes parts but and then we meet other interesting aspect of fun in the sun it is it is that it rewards consistent play dedicated play in other words i if you play or something on each saturday in the summer you're total is cumulative total earnings are cumulative so he ended up being tired of the sun term which is eight saturday saturday june july and august excuse me the top players will learn entry in the pegasus world cup betting championship and that's a twelve thousand dollar value each a the person who finishes said will get short thousand dollar prize so those are five places in cumulative total throughout the entire season well we all know we can have a you can't have a great saturday all i'm gonna have off week off week and that's the case with the fun in the sun you could have an off week have a good week and you're right back in the game a cumulative total speaking and also a prize winning but you get one of those parties are gonna make a nice little score so we were gonna use saratoga race he's obviously the first saturday because they'll mars gotten achey yet but then when del mar gets rolling we attempt to balance it out which a similar number of billboard chart with the way she that we also look at the weather trying you know when things don't look good in saratoga cellmark doesn't mean very much but you know you try and put together a nice series of events so horse players could have a great time claimed he can make it challenging as well so fucking song express bet dot com a hundred and twenty thousand dollars in total try he's an a it's free to be their cash account holder and wagers as i said or live so you keep would win sixty pose a total dry for the weekend partly sixty eight thousand dollars each week eighty five hundred dollars in prizes and fifty two thousand dollars in seasonal prize is this a hundred twenty thousand dollar a tournament i you know what you know you're gonna play gilmore you know he's gonna play saratoga take a look at the mandatory races and make a lot of ten dollar wager on one more she goes races which probably company you're doing anyway so you had joined in join in the fun and it goes all summer long well good luck absolutely will remind in the will control and and get everybody excited as the reaction unfolds let's talk about the johnny the last couple of weeks and you could you could fold in you're you're you're cape may a week as well but the this wasn't important couple of of weekends and you know certainly gonna talk to jimmy jerkins later a v breakthrough by preservation as a that was you know that was certainly note worthy a and you had the two turf of these turf triples that a martin has has has crafted a in new york and things got off the update starts really yeah henley's joy in and conquer heroes i mean just the fact that you know the chad brown frankly didn't win one or the other or both is is noteworthy you know all those all those point you bring up the election i'll start with preservation because the first one you mentioned in a way you know there's a couple of things about his form that are interesting it will be a couple of an end i wanna see i wanna say old school once described him as a big old and the fact that jimmy jerkins training preservation which which is old school reminiscent of something that i am i dunno allen jerkins might might do in the respect that it's old school training for example this is a six year old it's only made seven starts starts so obviously their issues present but they'd been you know they've been handled with kid gloves a seven starts now eight starts now five wins which is just you know shows some you know some excellent handling at twin horsemanship also a factor this horse that's a six year old i've gone through it be condition spread out over you know over a since since when he broke his maiden back in twenty eighteen a you know spread out he's gone maybe he's not one of those other than a he he's one of the two other than he's one of the three other that and now he's you know option optional claiming tag a sign of those races pretty much all done it old school gone up the ladder winning races that the game originally kind of design we don't see this much and we don't i don't notice it much anymore certainly certainly go to to other names but the get through a three other than mostly because they don't they don't sell it at a lot of alleged sex without of three other bad and then you're first speaking engagement is a great to have you win that at six so this is really kind of an old school grad shooting development 'em handling with kid gloves but also the workout pattern for preservation is so interesting 'em you last rana the twenty forty third of may owner slop attracting one the one is clear then but then when he comes back on june fifth he's got a slow at two seven seven days apart he comes back with a five eight when the train track at belmont then it goes up mile over good tracking one forty two seven eight to one twenty eight to another ball out of forty a the third best of thirty so you if you look at be tired of this horse you see so many more nuanced she's usually work through some nowadays on and it's a reminder liberal school the whole treatment of this horse it's it's so interesting 'em so again i mean how how much more do i that is age age all summer or somebody who's gone or they just know vehicle again in a couple of weeks out of the men and then slow up again i i don't know but looking at it it's so you think this past performance long so i thought that would that would impressive agreed and i i'm looking forward to talking the jimmy and of course you know first centennial it say you know it's a a real shot at a at a big prize and so excited for don little junior and the the centennial partners a talk about a i i don't wanna leave out by the way a will talk destruct should probably tomorrow i don't wanna leave out code of honor is performance johnny but let's talk about the other three year olds is well of course promises fulfilled you know finally got a chance to dictate terms and took full advantage in the john neighborhood but talking about the three year olds first scale i i cotabato 'em that wasn't outstanding performance i mean he he really leveled out laying a true off so convincingly it really was a type of performance similar to what we saw in the fountain of youth but i even looked more mature he looked like it looked like he's still out since then it's mcchord in seems much more focused there was no no goofing off it seemed like it wasn't really focused performance so he he was impressive i'd also say oh no and i could be wrong legal judgment calls but i think that one turn mile really she could well that may be the optimum a performance that that's just the way out of a going about quarter which i know the travers it's gotta be the ultimate goal with him he he couldn't win a mile course no doubt about that seem very good horse i don't know if that mahler quarterly gee that's um it'll be interesting to see how he progressive leading up to that house ship trains in and how he responds once again which i think i should mention another leg jim jim yeah yeah that's still on the table development into the travers he certainly seems like a better or worse right now there is competition saturday yeah no i get that with a grain of salt final jeopardy ran away it seemed like he would run second but wait and some questions about it well by the way both of those waters are non stakes winners even though well late in the second and the great one don't want security and he kind of the field would not the best products out there who posted comeback spot you're trainer and older and you find that spot the public take the comeback post show you're development get back on track you go if you don't give bambi travers manic couldn't couldn't have been a better place a construct their stuff so it was a practice again very nice race and then media promises fulfilled in the neighboring a you know here's here's a horse we've always known that's been a quality runner he's got speed and all seen the speed inaction he's one of those one of those three year old that a that a tremendous talent and so a connection figured you know we gotta go down the path toward the kentucky wj gave a they took it a they took it all the way to the you gotta be a and he showed the speed you know the preparation a one me a the jerking last year going seven eighths which is which is always a an outstanding a split wage which show coach who's the best spring cleaning up got pretty good in the breeders cup sprint and make the crabs got five but this way the cards really look like they're all in his corner he he he julie outside the box which is excellent for him a gun shows speed no doubt about it and he looked like the speed speed and then and then his his support misfortune went from good to great when his competition heaters and other speed horses in the race didn't give me get a white well he found himself a virtual pleasing along in the league and that was a good night irene when you give a horse of that quality who looked to be the speed of the speed anyway when you give him a head start forget about it goes would show up you know he did what he did it in a very very nice bashing and the cutback that they couldn't leave from the bottle and in the metropolitan handicap but she well a cell phone is commenting after the rapes a breeders cup sprint breeders cup mile he's got a point point you'll see idea of the mile i don't know he's got really good splinter but i understand and why thinking that we could pay no mile is a little more forgiving but opinionated is a teacher mile one turn mile any maybe more but keep an eye on how that develops a very nice performance being a be a the belmont derby you know that with the big upset in pedal is joy winning twenty one a w body a little not relate to spot which i'm gonna deviate intercepted i show up at the that was the that was the tree lack three hey thank secretary eight or nine really kicked by this we live betting that all of us around the country can play the the the really fits the narrative that paper whatever it's called but when the private not attract a a it was previously restricted to not about account holders in some other people playing in the in the new york region certainly live on track and so forth but now it's up no wires and all these people across the country and that's that's a wonderful feeling great rates and it's horse players you know we all like to participate but anyway henley's joy upset the apple cart upset the but the war's end i think the story story he finally you know wasn't like he got walkie he's finally get what you know he's i only had a trip that you know shoot him any able to do is buy a ticket when you know when that happens when he's been having trouble spot sweep incur places when he's been having issues and finally get to know a clear shot and maybe some you don't have perfect trips a i particularly notice argument way was getting you know the one of a had had had a head of steam turning into the stretch and then and then joel's that rio they have nowhere go put on the brakes or you know wait and then when he got clear he didn't even fire anyways so maybe the momentum's killed them completely said he had a head of steam he's look like if you'd asked me you don't wanna turn the final turn winners were what came out of the crowd a little bit more caplin show no joy was reasonably just off the pace he's in a great spot he got to we've got clear in the lane andy you know the way he finally got a quick trip and that's the trick play a lot of fun a half the battle of note about this rage overall though you know if you're ever gonna really spread and i think if you were if you were gonna really spread joy would not have been outlandish at all you he's not you know in looking at four thirty six oh nine first pitch like oh he's shooting that's pretty good so i i mean if you're going and also have you noticed that you're going to work now i know some of churchill downs training center it is only one of a what a night for work in ways and if you're a veteran idea that man of course you're having been getting a lot he's been close close he runs his race get porky he could win and of course she's just boom of boom where he said one win again i don't get along time a rock of ages ago a so anyway i think she could have gone deep enough but i should've just scraping the switch this is one of the cases we're just deep and ultimately i definitely spreading the race but this would have been like how did i miss you guys kind of put the myself but mainly the division 'em you know i don't think i've ever been more about a horse that has been about newspaper breakfast m i and i and i don't know this case of a really just not developing to the three and the and the rest of the crash while you buy it you know i know she's right which you try together settled wrestle weather and the that that experiment certain last year she she wasn't lang iran last here and rank right did not last year because she websites and she kept going and the catcher she opened up this year a cheating she's going to be leaving a couple of she's been she's been caught by the time we thought well paperback and it was a disaster he could never get a rather keep striving to just relax and i mean that would that would that winter we cannot take anything away from queens rose one outstanding wreck uci a now she's five said an whether it will be only misstep wanna recommend in the breeders cup juvenile fillies over that you'll call churchill course when she woke trauma well in a fourteen totally feel an remember they outside was bad bad bad clear a think she gives me that he riders were were all in agreement if he outside lanes were much better so shoreline into that race you're looking at a facility who's going to a saturday was for more 'em in really how could you how could you go against i don't think because i don't think you're only getting where you i don't think there were any negative she has enough speed to be be reasonably plays against any kind of pace a sheet that means you're the winner shoot the single toys and in many cases but again you don't see what what what made it difficult to really take a stand with her outstanding is hurt more from a horse players camp what made it so difficult was you know newspaper breakfast show outstanding last year but that was impressed in my mind and he kept taking maybe she'll maybe be maybe but you certainly won't help this year but maybe you know that's gonna jump up at old sam's gonna jump up and then bitch and she was one of the big three chad browns to eight no brian but no so here you got top two of the top trainers in the world with the with the best not not not just course flush but specifically ugly three year old filly watch watch they get their hands on on the best of that group with me and they do great the great with that particular group you're gonna single done so yeah he where he might have i got a tough one here in a when you start that grows and you can't you can't use the or slide kevin enjoy that well you i'm not appreciate it a couple of things they the decision would newspaper record's perplexing because this is where if anywhere going the distance this is where you want it to let her run just give her ed in and let her control the pace and we we reference back to a catch a glimpse the cassie who everybody said oh well she'll so never will be on milo she'll she can't win be on a mile and sixteen three mile and then they know when when you've got a a speed horse on on the turf the longer they go they easier it is for them because the pace get slower and slower slower the further you're going and you know unless there's clear pace combatants that are gonna vie for the front end a so this was a crazy place to think that okay well will will let her get her to relax when she's shown no interest in relaxing so i observed chattel you know hillary work and and you know bob in we've and figure out what to do because it it is it is mysterious serious a i i gotta say one thing johnny you know you're probably the john service earlier and i i went into saturday when i wrote the races up and the delaware oaks was part of they they nairobi a cross country pick five which continues to be a you know like any of these multi race multi track the opportunities always seems the pay well a in fact there's people are mystified by the the disparity between the pay off a it's kind of interesting i'm sure will get to that this week but there's a few things also people people seem mystified by preservationists a and and his price when the gates opened although anybody that was watching the will pays on the multi race wagers knew that he was gonna come down and be second choice a cause he was second choice and all the multi race wagers i mean the fact that he was seven two one six the one you know two minutes three minutes the poster art is immaterial i mean he he fell into wine just like they fall into line a lot of times you know during the week but anyway a d the performance of concrete rose and i can't wait to talk the rusty arnold tomorrow it this is this isn't fair to her i mean once again everybody comes out of the race talking about newspaper rickard the because of this avation i guess it and everything that we thought going into her three year old year so it's really not fair to you know this this twirling candy philly who is just been spectacular healer and a rusty arnold a kind of expecting what he got any edgewood a but she's now you know three for three on the year and a you know will will see what happens on the phillies side but but she's making a case for herself a and as the as the year progressive so you know you brought up some great points and i think we i think i agree rosa pops oh no no doubt not just fucking agenda oh no you're right because they because i began my discussion of the race which newspaper bracket you're you're absolutely right but i but i gave the props she learned she keeps bumble the other point you mentioned about preservationists in the price and the money you know but people looked up when she six along with three horses to go in the game whatever or i'm sure you six two one three horses going the gate that wasn't that bad price not you know that's like you know walking into a into her own automobile automobile watt and seeing a sticker on a on a brand new card says ninety eight dollars if the price is wrong you know that's that's the one that's not real and the reason i say that what happens is these he leaves no vote to have these models computer models they recognize is that she's not right and he knocked it down to what should end if you've got two or three b or however many of you are of these computer models going a regular people will say six to one in the money goes becoming that price is going to drop where it should be right out where it should be it's going to happen a more turns not not all the time but more times than not those plugs either gonna come down it but these are markets especially if the big tracks markets that people looked at as seriously as they look at the stock market but these are please don't there's money involved and there are people just like it wall street looking for an age where liberals in body fat let alone hours in mutual playoffs so the markets are tight now you look at preservation is if you look at it his past performance you know the biggest price you he's been favored one two three four five six he's been sabre six out of bridge is previous seven starts before saturday's his biggest price will start and so you know that he would be six to one no comfort trio stakes race but seventy two is more more logical six to one so anyway way i wanna complain about it it's it's the markets corrected itself but as you said if you look at the the multi rage wagers you see where you know the corporate money gone that tell you a lot says only expect it surprises me pardon me the people are so supply so yeah that's so no i did not say i know exactly i mean i i and i know people people that are saying oh something has to be done about it done about what what what genie is gonna be put back in the bottle here you know and i at some point maybe johnny a you know we could have a mike suppose we could have a round table discussion about limiting limiting access of the groups and the you know the computer assisted wagering a limiting their access a their direct access to the pools and and you know that might somehow is slow thee or spread out somehow somehow a the way the money comes in so that it isn't always in the last flasher the last two flashes or at the flush flush comes when the gates open and and the stop betting notice goes out into the system and then there's one last flush a that pulls all the money in in the money's been bad but i and i've explained this so many times and also the graphics a you know there's there's a lot of different things here that would go into perception for the public whether it's fractional odds display 'em whether it's we've done a few of them twentysecond intervals instead thirty in forty five second intervals a more flushes a more a more more reaching into the the the system in pulling the money in the last two minutes and i've explained this before four seventy percent of the pool will come in in the last three minutes and thirty percent comes in in the last minute it i i don't know what else we can do to try the assuage people's frustration over this one more thing that you know everything's better grab one more thing that is the people of a certain age mine included remember the day pre bible cascade between when when when all the money would go and try and save yourself but never i never used that yes because the money was all on track nobody cared that much money through the window before they break it just it never happens because that it never happened why everyone thinks some something nefarious going on right now so because of computers it's making it happen no it's just the volume of money that can now move in in nine seconds that would never possible before for the stock market is the same way money now they're much much the way ahead of us expose no help pass their money moves but no it's not the same thing it's similar there's no real a i guess the closing bell would be the ones that you know the day closing bell but there's no frantic like last second limited number of stocks you're looking at the last second just see what happens you know what i mean is he tried to draw comparison it'll be hard to do because it's you know it's so different but tim miller in that money moves much faster they just you know you gotta have a system to keep up with it so yes are you disappointed when you better or someone and they turned seventy two new camry i'm i'm i'm dale like i'm not disappointed but but then you gotta go back and look and say well what six to one a pipe dream you know i i'd like to write down early in the wagering of the punches only chores a an early wagering when you know when it kicks over the ritual and then the next race starts off the first couple of minutes that's that's a guy like look at the capitol street applies preservationists with nine the one that first slash m no i looked at that and i thought where where do i sign up yeah yeah absolutely no well if people wanna teach themselves i mean anybody watches and certainly the nine recede andy andy is talked about talks about this and it's talked about it for years and and when he opens up prattle before race in reviews the board he invariably believable mentioned so it's so right now is you know eight to one but is going to end up being you know a second choice or it it extrapolates from the from the pool from the will pay pools and you know one thing i i there's a few different people but i i reid and i listened to 'em on jerry holland or his board a mass capper a got a name of rocky a who's a a statistician and and a mathematician jerry jerry brown jerry brown will get the jerry media this week to i well dressed that jerry brown's born third raf math math capper rocky and rocky a he explains these metrics really well and and there's even a few times where the will pays art are not even reflective all that accurately and and so even that sometimes won't help you he pointed out coming out of this when you get eight a long shot that wins the first leg of a double back and skew the numbers when it comes to the will pays so it's not always completely accurate about where horses prices gonna go i mean there's you know there's there's certain conditions but one thing you certainly can do and you you mentioned johnny looking at at the way for instance expressed that the graphics you can print and i did i did this all during ask so it's fresh in my mind i would hit the print logo and print out the page with the prices and then i had it in my hand to look at thee bookie shops and compare well you can do that if you're you know whatever you're interfaces you could do that take up right after race goes official go get the will pays pull up the will pay drop down from the venue and pick up pick up a print print it out or take a screen capture of it yourself so there you have it and you can use it as a reference guide instead of just jumping to these conclusions and adding to a you know internet hysteria i it you'll also teach yourself a way to approach in a way to get a clue about horses you may have missed in your own handicapping because invariably johnny when i look at will pays particularly the last leg of races and we get the pick five and pick fours and pick sixes and i see the horses you know second or third choice in in the maltese that i didn't include that i don't have covered i oh we start invariably exactly it's like they're you know you're gonna get one of those they knew moment speakers or or i didn't know moments not they do anyway listen this is we could go on and on i gotta get the richard office and jimmy jerkins yet and before we go though a i'm sure you heard john service and i couldn't have been more happy for will a and the win on tuesday in the doctor penny as an owner will schwartz and his partner their first win a first grade stake when not a product price it just has to be a huge thrill how much did you make off the tone well the couple of weeks ago much to keep my bench to end it so normal pets i will i will give the congratulations he also glad they stopped and he's but he's a who was the the main the main line david partners to instill in my first first grade say to them so that's fabulous and he shot himself you know and that's why would i yeah yeah i i certainly i when when when came across the wire i was i i i did not that i forgot forgotten about the race actually i forgot to say well look at you with horses in all over the country all over the well let's not get carried away you're getting you're getting carried away johnny summer's numbers here end were excited i appreciate it will talk next week and will be will be underway that we can't wait for the first the first results from a lot of fun to talk about absolutely johnny b everybody in the top of the hour upon us let's take a break richard office one himself at queen's plate and those of you that listen on a regular basis you knew a little bit about one bad boy and hopefully that helps you parlay that into something good coming out of the queen's by richard office joins us and of course engaged right now at a low sal he's

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Part 3: Jeremy Plonk

"Accountable fifteen unbelievable working in the votes. Who started the fifteenth last week? Well wonderful resource sources. John also echoed my sediments and we talk every Tuesday a recap the three year old action and We got plenty to to do. Because you've been busy through the holiday season I was off you. How ever we're getting ready for countdowns launch? And he also. We're busy with for those. That haven't seen it if you if you take off the holiday period from horse play and Jeremy and the Horse Player now team Brian W Spencer With the with a bet mix play of the day. And I wanted to ask you about this and Ed because it's yet another handicapping tool that has been introduced in recent years and months and I I thought it was worth a you know an overview from you sure via the Knicks. Play the day that we haven't horse player now dot com. You can go to our website and click on the free picks at the top and the navigation. And I'll take you through it. Besnik has been called the handicappers as part of its many many different offshoots and products. I've been in that handicapper journal identifies racist that their algorithms say have the best long-shot possibilities where they're vulnerable favorites Maybe races that that class was distance wise traditionally at a particular tracks produce more longshot winters. So what we do. Is We look at Longchamp Racist of the day that they offer and that we you try to put a handicapping spin to them. Who Do we like in the race? That has the best long-shot possibility today so while we may not always land on the winner. If you go back and you check the results of these races racist you're going to see. The favorites are upset in a really disproportionate amounts And it's something that we solidly tracked him. Brian looked at closely for a month. Or Two Before we decided to go through and Hewlett we've been cursory Looking at it and using it as handicappers over the course of the past year or so and we decided to do something with that Nixon put it on the site taste so they identify the races that are vulnerable and right for an upset and we try to pick winners and Brian's been the handicap on those so good luck to those following free play. Stay stay in our website for the worst player now dot com very cool and we probably will do it today. But we're gonNA between you and Johnny. And as opposed Jeff Siegel I want to talk about. What's going on and express bet to with with I and people are going to start to see this and I think we'll we'll wait because we got some other more media topics but I'm anxious to see and and learn what's GonNa what's involved with this. Well it's IT'S A way of marrying handicapping in eighty w at the same time. It's kind of like if you play daily fantasy sports. You see a lot of that Adler batching and grouping and and handicapping models that are put out there for people who play It's kind of a similar taste to that in. The veterans is is the company's. Nobody's been around for several years Dave Williams and guys who created it. There's many different things you can do with it. You can kind of use it like a database like Stats rake ones if you will but you can also use it as a generator you know and say these are the factors that I like in a particular race. Let's say at the sprint. And I think early speed turf pedigree in recent former the three most important factors. I can run a query with those three factors in the Bat Knicks. Put it all together and put those out. Now it's a turf route. Maybe I want You know maybe I want to finishing figures and you know percentage of earnings. You know 'cause I think classes more important In a mile and a half surf turf race that sort of thing like that distance results if the distance or something like that. It's more of a specialty thing. So you can run all the different filters and say okay. These are the five six most important things I I think these kinds of races and then spit it out so you can also apply your handicap into it so it gives a novice. I think a chance to feel like they are in the decision making making process without being twenty thirty forty years season handicapper like many of us in the game already. So you are involved in the decision making process but your more just kind of you're pointing to computers in the direction you WanNa go or you could simply just take generated stuff. Which is obviously you know things like that? Computer generated picks. It's been forever and man versus machine handicappers. I think want to beat the machine. You know I think that's our natural inclination that were smarter than a machine but if the machine can put with the fact that you determine are the most important and sort them and push them out to you in a in a easy digestible way it can be very effective plus. There's a lot with the I asked in the mobile. It's not a desktop express that it is you know the desktop destination for sure and they're still expressed that mobile But the first applicant who A different format format. There's a lot of interesting Statistical probabilities with your wagers and things like that in the presentation. They did a good job. They talked to handicappers. I was involved in the process on a couple of different stages of Haiti like this. which should we be doing here? you know they got involved. They talked to a lot of existing expressed customers commercial. Focus groups So they want the horse players in handicappers designed to pretty nice happened and a good product and the good thing about it is. If you're expressed customer all your stuff just transferred over you can make bed in the first half and you say you've got forty dollars in your account you hit and yeah you got fifty seven if you go back to your expressway counselors fifty seven dollars expressway. That accounts the accounts are tied together. So there's no there's no risk in trying something new out and seeing if you like it a little bit better Definitely a slip presentation and there are some there are some ways that data is presented. That it's very unique and cool and even as the season player I like it and I don't like it as a casual guy because sometimes I just kind of like I haven't handicap the racist but I'm out and about the you know we're waiting for a table somewhere or something like that. I I joke. My daughter was in the dressing room. One time trying on school closing goes in and I had ten minutes to kill. So I plant the penn national race up and and use of the data the handicap and had fun that way. You kind of feel like you're making an informed decision even if you're just starting from scratch so it's it's a cool thing that people for people to try out excellent well obviously Flesh out Uh more of it as the introduction COMSAT and we'll we'll I want I want to spotlight the tools of you know on a regular basis because you know one thing it for for all the concerns and in some cases in all the with all the negative presumptions about The the game in the atmosphere around the Game Eh. All I see on a regular basis. Jeremy is investment from from people. In in whether it's handicapping tools and products I mean there's been a steady parade of introductions of you know things to help players handicap more effectively and put more tool into their into their toolbox. So and this stuff like with the first step is just part of the APP. You know it's not a subscription service. I mean you you get in you log in your user name money in your account you go to make a bet. And there's a there's a better than a handicap then press the handicapped button and you can start using all the filters and things like I've got so it's you know I know there's there's a real data needs to be free push out there on the Internet and with the competition. We have sports betting out there. That had arguments probably as strong now that event but there's also good arguments why data collection companies need to get something back on their return to in some fashion so But I you know I. It's free to use your moving around on the APP and You know is that alone is attractive to new customers. We talked about how you ever GonNa get a sports better. Who's going to get everything he wants to know about the New York giants for free? Well you know this is in that mode yet. Also that's I think that's a positive thing and hopefully book you know what I mean. Things happen and it kind of forced the hand of everybody to kind of move in a particular direction and sports. Betting being legalized gotTA forced the hand of horse racing in some regards. Mark Improve. Well let's get a glance a couple of other topics year end thoughts and start of countdown to the crown You have to come up with twenty candidates a very hard. I saw your tweets about that about Boy Oh oh boy panning for lead to some degree but talk a little bit about how the year ended and how it started. Well you know I- in past years I've done a preseason annual countdown to the crown over the past six years you know the big magazine and one of the key points of that was the big list of two three hundred horses and as I started the research on this. And I'm going back and I'm looking and you look at the last three years and the therapy winters were maidens going into the a year and And even if you take maximum security last year he's probably not appearing on any list out of the maiden claiming race in December So you know I'm like is that important. We sat in today's world. Should we spend that much time on these things. We'll be looking at ways to improve the day now forward product and that's before we decided to do so like if you go to count on to the crown dot com now all of our reviews that we do for each race are now on a sword. -Able Google documents us so you'll be able to go back and look at every major already. Twenty seven of the database. I stuck with the traditional December twenty six opening day countdown to the crown that I do every year by valuation evaluation. So you'll be able to go. And I started grading trace based on those categories so each maiden races graded a through f each allow a acoss throughout based on a lounge rates person's allowance race. So that when I start to run back how can we use this information more effectively in the past you had to kind of go back each Friday any file. Try to find the horses that talked about and make the comparison so I tried to make it more proactive than reactive. This year and so people can use it moving forward uh-huh and I think you're GonNa like that. I think you're gonNA find it very valuable. I know this is what I do you. Don't worry fifteen there's a maiden race somewhere or stepping up into the a stakes race. I want to go back and I WANNA find out. What did I say about those major races going into it with a maiden race something out of it trying to judge strength of schedule who they beat you too? They ran against and now it's going to be a lot easier. You'll just be able to go right into that. Google document click the lounge reports and get every allowance he sort of made for left to the top. The bottom or you can search by name and I think it's going to be a really nice resource. We'll continue to do every ounce maiden race in America among the nature and even mid major track January or in February and then once we get the march focusing on on the state courses from that point forward that will stay the same with countdown this year and it was difficult you know literally I could not come up with a good top twenty. I mean I'll just admit it. There are twenty names on the list. Because that's how we start out but you know honor. Ap I thought was the flashiest most talented two year old. I saw along with Matt sealed. Maciel was injured so I moved him down a little bit because we don't know how he's GonNa come back and then after literally. I made the list like on Monday and Tuesday of last week and and and the and the series debut on Friday. But I was like okay before I get into the previous. GotTa get some of the other part of the reports on. It's time I put on her. AP Number One. John sheriffs that he was off his left front. And what makes a sham say. So I'm like holy crap. What do you do now? You're starting to seizing. Is it on the I R. But that's like you know what I'm Gonna I'm GonNa keep him where he's after now because there was no real declaration that it was going to be anything long term but you know I really liked his win. It says that need I liked the horses. you know coming out of the fall at Santa Anita and Those to me I think a lot of times the strongest route horse. This isn't in southern California. The horse you can win at Santa Anita Autumn me to Pass del Mar del. Markets Brilliant two year olds for sure and then at Santa Anita Timber. October Is really where I WANNA start looking for my west coast forces and and GonNa Repeat Dennis's moments up there on these back training now independence hall. It hasn't done anything wrong whatsoever. I think free techniques really interesting horse for Jeremie engelhardt He's GonNa take the Oakland route and I think that's really true. Move and I think that's a horse a a lot of talent and green light. Those another one. I've got a really high hope for for Jimmy Jerkins down at Palmettos right now You know he ran A against His lol all in and it gets some good horses as a two year old and Max field like I I heard John say earlier I thought maximums race in the British security is probably the best race by two year old in stakes company. The last year you know I'd like to honor AP's maiden win Dennis's moment had the smasher down was parked but in terms of a steak maximum rate as good as anybody in the company last year here too so it's a wide open the air and we say this a lot and it's the white up here but when the again when the last three Derby winners came into the year zero wins combined. You've got to kind of say. Okay gotTA look for here. Forward and so looking baffles on this list is is difficult to to really justify. So it's a it's it's GonNa be an interesting year and always is. It doesn't get any easier to pick these races year to year because the trends change the way the horses are prepared. Change but some of the Techniques Davis saying you know there's good race watching skills that I think you need to. Have you want to see how horses are finishing up because all these is we go. We're going to get longer on the trail There there are brilliant horses and horses. Who they'll get some distance and until those are still taxes that you're looking for you like proven commodities and the training grant And you like good pedigree. I agree but we've seen less than stellar pedigrees win too. So you can't get over an infatuated with a with a sire for sure but the damn side of the pedigree you'd like to see a little distant therapy can well and you know just going through a going through some of the other names. I mean you've got some some some faces that people got accustomed to seeing you know last year like eight rings and silver prospector and shoplifted. Then there's some The recent maiden winners. There's you've also got structure. Who's going to get his dirt? Chance Basin for Asmussen heavily involved here and then you've got I brought up. That devil made me do it With John White earlier and actually the maiden winners your high fives virtually all of them came up here. The first two days of broadcast this year between devil made me do it. We had Mandela yesterday we talked about Tis Magician. Who's been kind of a slow learner for him? I brought up banks island today With the with the Brendon Walsh and Porto's with brought up with with Andy earlier. The one horse on that list that I didn't bring up major fed and major fed the Greg Foley and for those. That didn't see this. I I caught my eye to and one note the group of horses now. The top three finishers from that set a seventh race at Churchill November twenty third major fed was the third next out winner. 'CAUSE Gold Street came back back in the sugar bowl and Maye Berry. Deputy came back with a maiden win seventy-five fire and now major fed came back out of the debut that that day at Churchill and three winners the top three finishers out of that race and major fed worth definitely worth keeping an eye on. Yeah and if you like good races that have quality horses coming out of them of wins and they're based at fairgrounds now. Sleep horse named sharecropper prowl saw yup go back Johnson. Churchill four five winters now out of that race it is the key maiden special weight race In the fall and Kentucky. So Oh you know our Scott Quality about him when he has a good or she can do a lot with. But he's not gonNA push to the triple crown has never been a guy With Derby Vivere surprisingly so really I mean because as much as our been entrenched in you know the fairgrounds can keeneland Kentucky You know moves over the years that that he's never gotten the derby fever. But sharecroppers another one who fits in that group along with the The one you mentioned there are major. Fettes I'll tell you what to another one. I think you want to keep an eye on. I don't know how as far as going to go. But if you didn't see the park's winner on Saturday dreams untold yourself a favor and go back and look that John Service training by Smarty Jones. He's a fool brothers. Brothers triple bend winner Central Intelligence so he's a full brother door grade one winner and he's also fool brothers and the Drum runner-up Nasa Probably Smarty Jones Best three-year-old that he produced But he couldn't say found and didn't have a long career but not the had a lot of tally streams unsure one by fourteen. He was first time gelded. First Time lasix and and he ran off from a pretty good stablemate harper in there who I thought was going to be the stronger of the two so treatment sold to keep an eye on you know service can go south seen him. Obviously we You know he took his good Philly Capital fee of her down South Florida You know he's GonNa Open with forces in the past but there's enough in the mid Atlantic for dreams brings untold to run in with what you have act duct and and the series of getting pretty lucrative towards the Federico. Tio races like private terms that Laura would sit him unlikely unfolds might be nice one for service so we'll see how that turns out that's another one coming out of the main rank glass weekend. Well it's a quiet week In terms terms of three year olds coming up this weekend. A couple of decent older horse events including Things like the Lockin Yada for the phillies and mayors but then we're going to start to start to warm up The lecompte coming up a week from Saturday and then not far behind will start to look toward The Smarty Jones after that on a mlk weekend train is starting go. Get on board exactly and get on board at worst player. Now Dot Com with Jeremy and Brian W Spencer. They're doing the the countdown podcast on Mondays. Then Tuesday's Jeremy Drops the maiden allowance and stakes recaps. And then of course Friday the the weekend preview plus a lot of coordination through EXPRESS DOT COM and Jeff Siegel with us on Fridays as well From BTV. Jeremy thanks so much great to get caught up. Hope it's a great year for you in the team and the family and we'll talk next week all right happy new year investment the technique absolutely din. Casey is marched himself right into the new year at Deja working Mid Part of the weeks Tuesday Wednesday Tuesday Wednesday Tuesday Wednesday Friday with age and Casey on Mondays and Thursdays might trump better and Brendon Walsh and Andy and John and Jeremy Replay. Tomorrow six tonight if you missed anything leaving archive in podcast later on the website through the website. We'll talk to you live in the morning and Wednesday at the races. Good luck at your plane that everybody talk to you tomorrow soon. Aw Dope killer.

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - August 2nd 2019

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - August 2nd 2019

"Originating from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington studios welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets as the field comes with a quarter of a mile to go calix minutes still the leader Benny shakes loose to me in front by to to narrow second on the outside outside of them comes bobby's wicked one trying to put in a rally mackenzie is starting to Storm Home in the center of the track. There's an eighth of a mile to go calix later. Here's Mackenzie finishing strongly on the outside and he goes right on by still having fun moves through on the inside axelrod identity politics. All the touch hits Mackenzie hit a dominant performance pure last Malibu identity politics wins the photo per second still still having fun and we're in that group as well now. Here's Anthony Stabile Jude Feld good evening. Everyone and welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere bets here on the Horse Racing Radio Network on the big again. Anthony Stabile joined by the positive of the big four Jude Feld. We are live from section B at the SPA Saratoga Springs Saratoga our took racecourse down our Jimmy. Johns Lexington guest is operatives Sir only Dela Pena. We have thirteen sticks for you tonight. Jude it's good to be he's sitting alongside yeah. That's <hes> racing rarity for this show in particular and <hes> looking forward to it's been a a longtime coming a lot going on thirteen stakes eight of them nope nine of them from right here at Saratoga Saturday editing and Sunday the Physics Tipton Racing Festival is upon us with me day Marylou Whitney Day tomorrow on the league greet Mary Lou Whitney you passed away last week. At the age of ninety three. We'll have a ton of racing's three year olds in the West Virginia Derby. We will get to it right away. If you WANNA play along with US head on over to narrow bets dot com opened the camp. The Promo Code is his each R._N.. Two hundred bet two hundred dollars in the first two weeks of opening your account get you hundred bucks right back. In your account. The naira Bech travers bankroll bill the returns this Saturday just fifty or fifty dollars to win on one horse to win in the Whitney WanNa lose. You'll get a twenty dollar bonus. That'll be in your account in time for Travers Day so you have a chance to earn another sixty bucks. Don't be a bankroll built over the next three weeks next three Saturday's again roughly fifty dollars at least fifty dollars to one on one horse to win the Whitney this week and we're losing the twenty dollar bonus in your account for the agreed one midsummer diary to travers on Saturday August twenty four heads dot com for more details Saturday at Saratoga indivisible dot org continues tomorrow. Mike Pana will join us on the broadcast. They'll host from our section be serious to nineteen X._M.. To a one horse racing radio dot net for the test and the Whitney should be a fantastic show tomorrow do yeah yeah we got <hes> excellent racing and should be a wonderful all right well. Let's get involved. They'll be five stakes all tomorrow a couple before our coverage bridge one after coverage degrade reach Roy kicks things off and race number five field of just six and that's what happens when hobby packages say this all the time the fastest horse in the world that could very well be world trouble at this point regardless of surface the grade three troy's at five and a half on the turf. He's a grade one winner on both dirt and Turf Vis Year Judah perfect four for four. He's earn half of his one point. Three million in those four starts yeah we actually have several millionaires in this field the numbers one two and three have all made a million dollars and rocket heat is chasing his he's up to six hundred twenty six thousand so it's very nice field even though there's only six horses entered <hes> if world of trouble and pure sure sensation both run and there's no reason to think that they won't they could <hes> tie up in the Speedo and if that happens <hes> I like lean stir on the outside <hes> Rusty Arnold very high in this horse we interviewed him a while back and he talked about this worse. Ah One of his rising stars and you can see why he's got <hes> a lot of <hes> gumption you might say in cincy switched to the turf. He's done really really well. It's got the outside post so I may take a little shot if the price is right. I think we're going to get a really square price on him. Because world of trouble is GonNa the draw tons of money and pure sensation has a legion of fans so <hes> we'll see what happens but <hes> keep an open in mind and take a look at lean stor right so jude NAS conceiving this to world of trouble I am I had <hes> nothing real clever to say. I'm proud of Jude for having me some wits book I don't have. I don't know if I'm just tired diet or if I just got into speed newell. I'm GONNA speak yeah. I'm not winning anymore. At my age shape. I'm and <hes> I just think he's he's too fast for these horses and as the good he's the goods <hes> disco go ponder that speed duel develops the old hard knock in New York bread and earned almost one and a half million dollars won't be surprised if he picked up the pieces <hes> with the help of his stablemate fear sensation that would not surprise me but world the trouble. I think we'll take some beating. According to the old racing form comment and race number a five the grade re troy race number seven the phasing Tipton Law. This is a restricted stakes race force which not WANNA graded stakes this year twenty nineteen mile and a sixteen on the turf Chad Brown represented by projected and sacred life who ships in from France first time chat or other teams juniors goings ride. He also has Ticonderoga so three Chad Brown born. July was one of those three. Did you look elsewhere. <hes> I landed on <hes> I think two of those three I like sacred life. He's the first time starter in North America. <hes> got a one thirteen racing post rating very high rating. He's GonNa Excellent skiing of races in France. I I think Chattel have him ready. He's he's been up here at Saratoga since May nineteenth while I was his first workout so Chad had him shipped right to Saratoga from Europe and and <hes> he's been training him here ever since no doubt pointing for this race all along. I gotta think he's going to be fit and ready <hes> he's maybe just a touch better than the rest of the field. <hes> Lou Colon very nice horse in in great form. <hes> hearings done a great job with them. He's got a good turf figure for this field <hes> way higher than par for the level. I think he's going to be super tough and then Ticonderoga I mean if he didn't have bad luck. He wouldn't have any at all just just just horrible trips. Ah last two times Javier gets back on them in for a horse that comes from well off the pace hobby. Your seems to have the right neck with the source. He's won three races on them so I think it's a it's a good thing Javier has taken him back and and we'll see what develops but those are the main contenders to me. I like Colon <hes> care McLaughlin random of a fourteen month lay of West Karen during breakfast at Belmont I it should what do you think he goes. I like him. He's doing well. He might need the race. I really like them for next time. Got The money last time and you know he probably ran a little bit better than expected but followed up with Karen doing really really well since <hes> hasn't done too much with him but forces sources men <hes> been a picture ever since <hes> that went off the long break and I'll try him. I thought Noble Indie ran well you you know I didn't think noble indy did a lot of running to starts back when you do who's also in here when gate to wire annals of time was coming off a huge layoff <hes> he came back to win pretty handily here at Saratoga last week but nobody follow that up with an even better effort last time when second to low cooling. He's drawn inside. I don't necessarily think he'll be on the lead. This festival horses and here I big noble in the price may be able to wake up here. You got to like sacred life a little bit. You got like Ticonderoga <hes> but I'm inside the loop colon to take down the seven the Fowler Tipton Lor you are the graded stakes action starts in race eight. It's the grade one test seven furlongs on the dirt four he three year old phillies. A field of seven has been entered. We really have a little something for everyone here. The Kentucky Oaks winner certain getting empress was second Gwarada in the Acorn last time out Bella Fina the beaten favourite in the oaks for multiple in fact they three-time raid one winner including one at the seven furlong distance and with that Delmore debutante last year she ships in from California Kafi comes in from the Midwest trainer Brad Cox Trench Town Cat comes from Florida for Rohan CRICHTON and Royal Charlotte comes from everywhere Gulfstream Keeneland Monmouth Belmont Win Win Win and win for Chad Brown yeah <hes> you know she's a very talented philly. I've got her on top. She has the right style for this race. There's plenty of speed in here. She can get an excellent trip. She's got kind of an outside. Draw which should help are a little bit. <hes> I think she looks double tough. Sarah <music> getty empress <hes> arguably the most accomplished Philly in this field capable of huge races on occasion and she's dropping back in distance. I think that's going to help are also impressed with the two forty seven <hes> workouts in her last two forty seven three last time out July twenty first the best the morning I think <hes> Thomas has her firing on all cylinders right now and I think she'll be tough. I'm kind of fading Bella Fina. She doesn't ship well. <hes> <hes> you pointed out something this morning that I thought was interesting not only did she shipped to Saratoga before that she shipped to del Mar two weeks previous so you know she's he's had a couple of ships. She doesn't seem to run their best races off ships and now she said two in a row leading into this race so I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Pass on her and tried to get Royal Charlotte home. Hey you and I had a very similar thought process that this race <hes> we thought very much alike with the shipping issues with Bela Fina I <music> I'm with you. I like Royal Charlotte for reasons. You said she's improved that every race. She doesn't need to take racetrack weather obviously with four different four wins and a couple all different distances at four different racetracks otherwise I wanted to mess around with you was trench town cat. This must be some speed in here. Frenchtown cat figures to have the first run on that speed heart to dirt races came against older fillies and Mares. She ran a good second last time Francis Rooney going the seven eighths she beat <hes> a little bit lesser to back in a stakes race at Gulfstream Park and again had I run on the speed big price huge writer favorable Mickey Vasquez fans but they get Roberts. He's junior for the tasks task choosing to be a huge price. Maybe she can upset this. APPLECART Royal Charlotte Trench town cat and Kafi really the ones. I want not even really not much of a southern Gary Empress Guy. We'll see if we can get Welsh all the home together. It goes race number eight grade one test. We'll take a break when we come back. The grade eighty one Whitney comes your way we got the Chiro phillies in action out where the turf Surfeit del Mar the grey to Sorrento as well bringing it up and this update two. You're listening to the weekend stakes preview present the my naira bats. 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Hey everyone this is Mike. penna join me and Entire team Saturday as we come to you live from Saratoga and upstate New York with exclusive coverage of the great one test and the great one Whitney five to six eastern serious to nineteen X._M.. X._M.. One and don't forget join us from eight to ten Saturday morning for our equine forum show live from Saratoga. It all happens on horse racing radio network horse racing radio dot net hi. This is Penelope Miller and you're listening to horse racing radio network. This is the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets. It is N.. Dina del Sur who will turn for home in frontier closer still second on the outside live is they come to the top of the stretch. Elena camelot splits those to take second and takes dead aim on and Dina no sir as they race into the final furlong and it is the camelot to the front and Dinos Uzbek in the second victory has come from last to take third as Eric Kahn Sale Ryan Stella de Camelot move away late and they're gonNA win. Pebbles and INA del Sur was second victory was third and super striking ranking was fourth or go back to against the experience at the by. I NYRA bets here on H.. R. N. The big and the pontiff side-by-side at section to be at Saratoga race course in Saratoga. It was springer's New York before we get back into the stakes action. It is time now for the blood horse news update a look at the top headlines from OORS DOT com King Zachary Shatter Saratoga Track Record Thomas F companies King Zachary the whole team Jockey John Velazquez patiently stayed off pace took over in the final turn hosting his first victory in more than a year bringing a track record this the for almost ninety one years of the process in an eight and a half point victory in Thursday's hundred thousand dollar personal three year olds and up at Saratoga Olga racecourse trained by Graeme Motrin King Zachary one for the first time since Catherine McGrath remount win twenty Churchill downs completing the mile and three recorder marathon course on the fast main track and file tongue to fifty two and four besting rate counts previous log August two fifty five set on September first nineteen twenty eight kept them up here. We thought he was doing well. We give them a shot. I'm ready for motion said without doubt he has plenty of talent breaking a track record from nineteen twenty eight even though they don't write the race very often it certainly impressive to do that and it was the way he need that wraps up tonight's edition of the Blood Horse Update when you want results news and information on a stallion his progeny from current top runners to entries in recent results to sales results for his offspring important scientists statistics and more. You're there's only one place you need to go and that's the blower stallion registered thurbers sourced with more than three million papers a year go to stuy enrich the DOT com and when you're on the go tablet or mobile device be sure to use the blood horses three global stallions dollar today or go to globalist APP DOT COM to learn more that was something performance yesterday yeah it was outstanding in grams obviously got the horses number now and you can look for him to be much improved in the future. He's he's always had a lot of talent but <hes> it's been hard to get it out of them. And maybe these marathons right up his alley. Yeah Ram uh-huh excuse me grandmom in a mile and three sixteenths turf race last week Kerpen maybe he was just getting ready for the big one so yeah outstanding outstanding performances too happy to see it on the card yesterday. He won't have one in the the Whitney this year but Whitney is shaping the B.. Who's who I know you vote in that Breeders Cup Pole for the classic the top four vote getters are in here a field of eight getting goal mile and a four million dollars here tomorrow five to six Saturdays at Saratoga presented by visit Barbados Dot Dot Org and led by the leader in that division Mckinsey seven five in the Morning Line Bob Baffert Mike Smith Hall of Fame Connections Thunder Snow Snow in honor of sixteen and a half million in his career ships in for Godolphin say bin Suroor looking for his first win on U._S.? Soil he has three bang-up races under his belt. One not so bang-up race to Kentucky Derby back in twenty seventeen but that seems like many many moons ago aw preservationists who's coming into his own for Jimmy Jerkins farms a fantastic renewal of one of the crown jewels of this meat. Yeah it's a fantastic race and <hes> this year's edition beautiful <hes> top to bottom a very competitive field. I went with preservationists T- <hes> drew the outside post. I think that might actually help them. He'll be in the clear from there. <hes> junior Alvarado has been riding him doing a great job one by four and a half last time in the suburban absolutely tow rope the field the fact that he's starting to put racist together now is a great sign. It's attributed Jimmy Jerkins patients as a trainer and <hes> he blew out for this race in the mid three fifths also impressive. I like preservationists a lot. As last two rate is really starting to show just how talented aalto he is and how much they thought this was going to be any kind when he was younger and they've really persevered with with preservationists and sauna communism. Now the ripe old age of six five wins from Szott. He's a major player in <hes>. What do we do what Mackenzie Jude Dude well? I mean you got to respect them. He's he's <hes> been run. Great guns his last <hes> five starts. He has two wins and three seconds. He hasn't been beaten very very far in the second. I'm not convinced that you know he's really a horse that will appreciate classic distances but this race is a mile donate. That's well within his scope and he certainly has a big chance to win yeah. They both make sense. I went to Venal. wroto talked talked to Johnny Velazquez earlier this week. He said this is really matured. This year I think that shows <hes> from his travels and Jim Daniela Daniela she was a very very interesting effort. He was all over the place we ran in spots made a big leap run <hes> ran okay and the travers and it went to the sidelines this year. There's been a little more maturity Kurdi a little more speed even Foley placed in all of his races. He ran well going to fly mile and the Steiner against the racetrack he ran really well and beaten just two and a quarter lengths thanks to world the trouble in the great one cargo and seven furlongs and then he was able to stretch out to the mile and a quarter and get the money carries first grade one win in that Gold Cup at Santa Anthony last time out will say <hes> I think he gets first one on some of the speed in here. Maybe that's Mackenzie. <hes> maybe it's preservationists. I'M GONNA take a big spread for me. Though million Hanley's McKenzie I'm GONNA use preservationists. I might use a little even use a Smidge smooths of Yamashita that could happen <hes> on the snow too. I think this is a really fun renewal of the Whitley. I'M GONNA try and get it. Being Alrosa home at a little bit of a price goes race number nine grade one Whitney that tenth wraps the State Jackson from Saratoga on Saturday definitive della arose cindy dishes as the war. This is for the phillies same flat mile distance yeah. This was an interesting race <hes> to me a lot of the phillies in here kind of what I would call fringe players. They're not quite <hes> you know group Phillies that they they have the potential attention to be <hes> you kind of have to decide who's going to be right on the day who has going to WHO's going to get the best trip when it was all said and done I settled on the five rock my love. This is Jonathan Thomas trainy. Johnny Velazquez takes the call Flavian Pratt rotor first the first time in North America at Woodbine on June the twenty ninth. She made the lead that they look like she was home. Free turn for home. I thought it was the smartest guy in the grandstand at Woodbine but Alaska lack she died to finish for the last wow not good <hes> but but <hes> she ran a good race that day and and I think she'll be tighter for that effort. <hes> she shortening up to a mile. She's been successful at the Mile Distance. I think there's some pace to set up that foreign you know Johnny. Velazquez is going to put her in the right spot so I put I put her on top. I think she's tough. I'm interested in Miss Munnings. I know she looks looks a little cheap on paper but she's been running grateful her last four races has been outstanding dating back to January the tenth that Gulfstream She just wanted allowance race at Belmont over Gra turf labeled good <hes> Johnny v Rotor last time Chris Landeros is GonNa Writer. I know that's not not jockey upgrade but Kris Lindahl Medeiros is a is as a final writer and <hes> certainly has shot to get the candy here and <hes> Pacific Wind is a philly that <hes> has kind of been in in an outer since <hes> Chad Brown took her over that she was a private purchase at at Keeneland <hes> I just I I think she might like the grass better her grass record is good. She started five times. She's only been out of the money once and <hes> just grasping at straws hoping to the catch a long shot in the tries. She's a daughter Kirwin which I like. She's out of a Dixieland band Mir which I really like one of the best grass horses I ever trained was out of the family of dixieland being in Mrs Farish Bread this one <hes> Her Dad bread my horse future gray so it's that same name family. It's a long time to all all the antique family like me. I gotTa tell you one thing I am. I I hope not grasping at straws because I put specifically non top him. Did you really the first time chatting around him and get the run her on the turf. <hes> you know I think when she windsor I two for Channel on the dirt the allowance keeneland and then the roughing last year you start to think she's a dirt horse right. She ran well. <hes> the roughing would probably a little bit dressed up great to highway star on the wrong end of it tech leader probably don't want to seven furlongs but then she's behind Abel Tasman she runs to Farrell and Weiss cat. She ran really well in the spinster she had that we are trip. Were divisive. Jump over the fence was making a move and jump over the offence runs well behind marlies freedom and come dancing too fast phillies in the Gulf for one second to come to midnight zoo come dancing so she's kept amazing using company on the dirt and you almost don't blame her for getting beat six seven. These villages probably not in their league and she's still running okay. I don't think I disagree with you. I think she might be he better on turf. She's a now five-year-old who gets to go to the turf for the first time in a very long time her for keep that in mind her first five career starts catch all came on the turf so they thought this Philly was turf Philly and now arguably the best her trainer in America gets his hands on and gets to run around the grass. Ask I'M GONNA try Pacific win especially if she's that eight to one price. I think there's a lot of other ways you can go. I think Stella the camelot melot makes a Lotta Sense. She was good last year in that pebbles that you heard on the rejoin last time she went seven furlongs ran out of real estate. I think she could be tough at the mile. Got stormies army's probably the class on the turf right bowl recall rushing fall rim Ska. Daddy is a legend she. That's what she's keeping company with her. One Blemish on turf came on the soft turf. They don't have to worry about that tomorrow. It's been beautiful here at Saratoga. Capital temperatures is always dangerous. Azanza Chad Brown. It's an interesting race your Philly Rock my love. I'M GONNA TRY Pacific Wind at a price. Well that's good. I I mean if you you are right and can get the perfect combination. You can get paid a lot of money in this race. I think it's wide open. I think you could make a case for a lot of horses and <hes> you just need that. Ah One two three we could just if it could come to us in a dream tonight. Wouldn't that be nice. This is the tri factor a premonition in the della rose uh-huh to come through a dream never happens in real life now that wraps de Saturday Saratoga toe coverage will have more Saratoga coverage Sunday to final say went up the program out of del Mar the great to Sorrento will be run for the two year old fillies two hundred in two thousand on the line field of six impressive debut winner for Simon Callaghan was Amalfi Sunrise Sunrise Norberto. A royal was on that day. Now we're recording this show Friday afternoon yesterday. Thursday at Del Mar Nolberto Auriol Junior was off. All of his mount did not find out why so he scheduled the right Amalfi Sunrise keep an eye on the on the changes comical goals a perfect two for two doug. O'Neill she came to Saratoga won the Schuylerville shipped back for this Sorrento. She puts undefeated record on the line Simon also has is she dares the devil Churchill downs. I out winter interesting bunch just one maiden in here for Ellis thought about on that's the five princess a small yeah yeah. It's it's good field <hes> speed figure wise Amalfi Sunrise comical standout over the rest of the bunch. I was always taught when I There's no reason not to take her back. She wasn't going six furlongs and I think that's important. <hes> you know you look at Melfi Sunrise. She ran four and half and and a long way to go for <hes> horse from four and a half to six furlongs. I know it doesn't sound like much but that's the whole length of the stretch. You know it's kind of a stretch out for for young young horse so <hes> I'm GonNa stick with comical yeah me too <hes> rail draw. She seems fastest out of there and that's that's pretty much it right Julian Peru's into ride <hes> Vassiliko since mm Slavi and frappes Kita ride Bella Fina dickey made the wrong decision but that's a story for another day. I would probably change the state divide the one machine yeah <hes> I definitely have yeah yeah <hes> comical for me as well that goes race five degree to Sorrento. Let's take a break. We're halfway home. We come back. We'll head down to the mountaineers state mountaineer in fact talk a little West Virginia Derby and turn the page Sundaes and steaks action at Ellis L._S. Park. It's Kentucky downs preview day down in the P.. Patchy listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets here on the horse racing racing radio network. 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This is Jackie Rajiv Murrah L. of listened to my friends on the Horse Racing Radio Network <music>. This is the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere bets on the far turn and it's long range toddy and Mr Money they have to negotiate the riderless horse and now it's math wizard math wizard with a decisive move on the outside and then it's and it's Mr Money we use homeward bound hassle Li fi two and a half legs rave addition splits rivals into joint second with math wizard long rates Tani and forth they wanted to the sixteenth pole and it's Mr Mr Money's GonNa cash in the Indiana Derby is third consecutive rated stakes would bring magician what second and math wizard was third the time for the mile and a sixteenth of what forty one point eight zero bill downs on the call of the Indiana Derby. Mr Money was just us that we'll see if you can keep his annex of Derby's Cohen Down in West Virginia tomorrow afternoon. 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He's earned four hundred and seventy thousand the hard way with a lot more second than thirds than wins exalting the former Godolphin runner walk them on. They should listen to you. She'll listen to you. They never do the pontiff Kokin you Wanna his favorites from this winter's classical Koreb Day at Gulfstream wide open ratio in the governor's. It is is in <hes>. I'M GONNA I'm GonNA take <hes> Kalkin. He he really impressed me when he won the <hes> Costco Delcor Ebay and <hes> he's run to really good racists since then the only battery ran in the United States was the Pegasus World Cup invitational aw which was kind of Moonshot if you asked me but <hes> he won in Laos race at Churchill paid a whopping eleven to one that was a travesty and last time out finished third the pioneer spirit in the Schaefer Memorial at Indiana grand ran a good race at day. He's talented of course it's got a lot of ability might be the best horse in this race and I think we're GONNA get a square price on six to one in the morning line. I don't know people are going to take them. I'm not love love with his post but I I think he's good enough to overcome it. As Mickey Gold Mill trainer of the greatest fictional fighter of all time rocky Balboa would say what we need to speed received fast speed the only times exclamation ocean point has not been on or close to the lead. He has lost to took one beat close to the lead in the Oakland Mile. I don't see a lot Sweden. I think Giroux goes to the top and says bye bye so long farewell all about exclamation point for me and race number seven and now I get that five to one. I'm GonNa make a nice win. Bet On them see if he can take the West Virginia governor's grave three to the West Virginia Derby we go half-million online grade three mile and an eighth pukes parfait is back after a failed attempt on the turf in the Belmont Derby fluminense made up some ground late in the game of a tough trip in me Iowa Derby for a few <hes> shackles that evening <hes> math wizard who was third Mr Money in the Indiana Derby and then of course you have the big favourite Mr Money. I'll tell you what you it's GonNa be. <hes> probably a price shorter then the six to five on the morning in line and another one. I hate to be a talking weasel but I could not take against. I try to swing against them last time. I'm not trying to this time well. He looks pretty salty. He's won three great threes in a row by open links <hes> last time there was a loose horse slapped on them didn't seem to bother him at all he be gray. Magician addition who a lot of people liked that night so I think you know when you look at his speed figures how they've been improving how he's been improving running being big races how he blew out and forty six to shown. He's just a sharp as always. I think he's a formidable foe. I thought top line growth had a chance <hes> he's run three good races out of four. He's never missed a check in his life of the racy. Got Beaten was to king for a day in the Serb arden at Pimlico. He's a horse that has ability Kelly ruefully trains him. She's done a great job <hes> all year long. She's <hes> winning at a seventeen percent clip yep. I think that horse has a good chance in math wizard Saffy <hes> claimed the live one here for twenty five thousand dollars in he's in now placed in two great threes reason and was fourth in great to really turned out to be a nice horse by algorithms out of a deputy minister mayor so there's some pedigree there floor on Giroux gets aboard definitely has a shot to upset <hes> if if anybody could and he's going to be a good number all right I'm sticking with <hes> Mr Monti see if we can get him home in a short price. Maybe the Free Bingo Square of the day on Saturday Mr Money for me in the West Virginia Derby all right that wraps Saturday. Let's turn the page Sunday. Ellis Park has their Kentucky downs preview day. <hes> will cover the big one race is ten is the Kentucky Tar Cop Preview Mile and a quarter on turf. <hes> we see a field of eleven. We see a lot of familiar names mandatory won the Tory kin little bigger picture. We see Hello Don Julio Nessie of my boy Jack the worst six one shot in the history of the Kentucky Derby. They still hasn't war bigger picture scratched out of an ultra tough bowling green last week you quite here at Saratoga to await. This spot is a million dollar reese. Now Kentucky downs <hes> in the fall. He's he's the class in here. Is An e Ju. Yeah I think so I mean you know when you look at this race. You you see a lot of courses that that are basically household names if you follow racing all the time they're they're. They're the usual suspects I think he's got friends already these together with your pals a couple of years. That's right right you can see them all sitting around the poker table like that that <hes> painting with the dogs that's so famous it C- good sitting around Michael Blown over at old friends France he kinda he kinda you know hints to that. Sometimes like the old horses they get together at night. Play cards and talk about their old victories like all of us old guys do and I it's. It's it's a race where I think bigger picture does have the field that is mercy fee runs his race in the they've got their I in that million dollar race down the road so it's an ideal setup run in the in the preview race and then you go right to the to the big one for a million bucks and who can blame him including the in the old guys comment yeah well kind of SORTA. You're like you're like a fringe player you you. You have an old soul anyway. I raise around adults your whole life since you were in the stroller exactly right exactly right yeah. He's tough right. I mean he's pretty tough. He's tough I think yeah I wish I had something again more chalk for me. I wish I had something more clever but <hes> you know and I liked the fact that <hes> the connections three diamonds make you know they used ahead that race. Last week was real toughie drew post thirteen. He's mid pack year Ames one for one of the mile and a quarter bigger picture looks to goods in race number ten on Sunday at Ellis Park. The Kentucky Gowns Preview Review Kentucky Surf Cup. We'll take one more break when we come back for Sunday's. Thanks that's right four here at the old spa. We'll tell you about the programming for Saturday here on the network as well. You're listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by Nirex here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Naira Bessis your online home for horse racing and betting with Tara Betts you can play hundreds DOC money because you have the option of running more than eight hundred races a year where your horse faces only other state breads and there's more than forty million dollars in purse money for those restricted restrict racist so come to Saratoga in early August and by Your New York Bred yearling at one of the significant sales and next year we hope to see you win at the spa aw there off at Saratoga Hey everyone this is Mike Penna join me and the entire team teams Saturday as we come to you live from Saratoga upstate New York with exclusive coverage of the great one test and the great one Whitney five to six eastern serious to nineteen X._M.. Two One and don't forget join us from eight to ten Saturday morning for our equine form show live from Saratoga. It all happens on horse racing radio network horse racing radio dot net and this is Chris Landeros. You're listening the horse racing radio network. This is the weekend stakes preview view presented by naira bets. Social Paranoia comes up on the outside and lease joy is behind horses spin off. Is there with USCA Parfait. They're into the stretch edits social paranoia arriving at the eight bullet front. Henley's joy runs at him on the outside. It's these two with Henley's joy in Social Paranoia Stride for Stride Guide Rock Emperor is finishing strongly on the outside but it's Henley's joy in front and Henley's joy wins the Belmont Derby Social Paranoia was second Iraq emperor was third and digital age was fourth and final time of one fifty eight point two nine Hanley's joy looking looking for number. Two of the Turf Trinity here Sunday at the SPA Inaugural Saratoga Derby is here big day as part of the phasing tip and festival of racing welcome back to the weekends presented by Nara Bats here on H.. R. And we'll get you set for the weekend tomorrow morning. The show to launch the network equine forms at the by Red Ranch. My Man Buck Moncada's right hand man from red rental be healed me he this week we got an old friends event Sunday night over at Saratoga national forward to that <hes> we have the other event that <hes> and Washington on Wednesday sales sales during the week lots going on <hes> tomorrow morning now that he presented by red brand our one preview to face tip in Saratoga sale all with Max Hodge Jesse Ori from Tipton and heavily in price bell from Mill Ridge and Tacoma bloodstock our twos all about the Whitney and test Mike Dub don little will join the boys plus Pakisoa with our philly focus segment presented by paramount sales. 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I wrapped a show by interviewing her <hes> that's also up at horse racing racing radio dot net on over and take a listen in podcast for jude. We've got about eleven minutes to get through four Sunday stakes so so let's roll the third is the John Marzia one hundred grand on a line. This is rescheduled from last Thursday when we had to cancel due to the monsoon like rains six and a half of the estate breads as the old back track announcer northfield park say who who do you like <hes> I like a number one T- loves a fight <music> <hes> he's the now hor she might say on a win streak <hes> for the hot trainer and <hes> he's he's. He's really <hes> doing well. It's kind of a mixed bag. You got horses coming off a layoffs and different different locations and a lot of question marks but we know you like Saratoga Toga he just one and <hes> I'm GonNa take T- loves a fight all right from the Rail Drug Junior Alvarado Rights for Orlando not he was just on trying talk to that suffered horse racing radio dot net good old Celtic chaos here Vin Santo was not in the original draw of this race. The postponement allows him to get in here. You know look intendo and say all those distance races. <hes> Vincenzo has some pedigree to sprint as well <hes> what's the name of Paul Silver aligning neighboring about <hes>. That's his little brother his little sister rather <hes> built a suit makes a lot of sense ally goal for the King Catalina only the cruiser strikepower recruiting. I don't see any of them in the John Marcy. I'm going to go for the king. He actually improves draw. He was on the rail in the original draw of this race. Now now imposed six Rosario stays gold for the king from me. It goes race three. That's the John Morrissey. He's an interesting fellow he was anyway. He's been gone about one hundred years ago. Look go look him up. In the history of this great town of Saratoga Springs the Fezzet Tipton Wyatt goes race number five. It's great three mile and a half off on the lawn for the phillies mayors. Oh my God I look at this and I see Santa Monica and I think Dr Closing weekend in Glens falls thirty five bucks it would've cost me the first lady mentor in Narrow Bexley pick five which is now open to the world <hes> it only paid nineteen thousand with her for thirty five dollars. I drank file a street Cowan. Jack Daniels that night my friend. What do you like in this year's wire money would have been gone bad bad breeders cup obliged? I went to fool's gold <hes> she came off a layoff last time and <hes> probably needed the race not not badly but definitely needed to knock the rust off <hes>. I think she'll be a lot tighter for this. One looks like she has a good chance. Yeah I like Santa Monica the Horse on I'm GonNa take on top General Rod who like you said earlier about two of the fight the now horse <hes> she was winless in eleven starts as a two and a three year old. She's a perfect for for four. This year is a four year old including three wins at the marathon turf distances a mile and a half mile and a half a mile and three eighths Chris landeros rides for his father-in-law in Wilkes six gentle ruler over the four Santa Monica. Yes in the early pick five. I'll use both of them because I'm a I'm an idiot because the rates number five the grade three fabric Tipton wia later on on Sunday. There's a couple of really good stakes <hes> later on in that caused Sunday's Carter sensational by the way we'll be the H._R.. And family be out and about at Saratoga will be having a good time here so stop by and say alot. Wherever have you see us? We'll have the joint covered race nine the Saratoga Derby invitatinal one million dollars in my best Dr Evil Impersonation Mile and three sixteenths on the melon turf course you'd have to think when you hang up a million dollars you have a big field a huge contentious field of eleven jud. You know when you first look through this race. I think you can make a case for seven or eight of them. Oh Yeah it's <hes> definitely wide open. It's a talented wanted field. I'm going to stick with my boy seismic wave. I've always had a gut feeling that this horse is a quality animal. I don't know what happened happened to him. Last time I mean he didn't have the best trips but I really think the distance is going to help him a ton. He can really run in the stretch and <hes> I'm looking forward afford to this Joel Rosario. I think right now has the crown of right of the year aboard Sir Winston the Belmont stakes aches and we'll tell you what Jose Luciano's effort on Henley's joy last time out is not too far behind it was one hell of a ride he got the source of the money Hanley's Italy's joys dance them awful lot of dances nice hard trying wars. He's run eleven times in a little over. A year. Not really has not really had a break dances every dance chance for our colleague Jeff Blooms Moon racing got the big one last time just a second try and a great one. He got the candy at a huge pressure won't get that twenty two one. You can make a case for him. Social Paranoia took a three quarter length beat Tim last time you can make a case for him. Chad Brown has rock emperor. He was flying late to rock emperor shades of sister. Charlie Charlie came over ran in the Belmont oaks in her three-year-old year ran outta ground. Only Dan rattled off. She said five raid wants to her name. Now stateside Rock Kemper Kinda has that little feel to him I oh I think he was. He was imposed fourteen time overcame. The Post is dead last early. He's always you gotta respect in here. I'm going back to my boy using you're using mobile. Only oh boy seismic wave. I'm going on my boy digital age. He did not have a good trip last time he was imposed thirteen fourteen <hes> I want him in Rock Camphor. I want a little seismic wave as well. You always have to respect sizes. Seismic Wave Aidan O'Brien's ran a couple over as well they in other words who's going to be a a huge number on the board <hes> you and I talked about him when he broke his maiden and he's won four zero cents on although a core's eons Trevor McCarthy Dorado. I don't want couple of stakes at Delaware in his last two. I think it if you're looking for a live long shot he's fifteen to one on the morning line. Help probably be higher than that because the money can only goes only glazes. He'd be the horse in a huge price. I would keep an eye on that's a fun. I'll tell you what we don't see a lot of new racist created. I don't think we've ever seen seen a better first edition of a race in this in this hour togadia yeah it's stack. There's a lot of good horses in there. What prices seismic wave seismic wave is six to one of the board my France Sixty one morning line yeah listen? You're going to get your price yeah. That's just the way it is race number nine on Sunday. The inaugural Saratoga Tokyo Derby the second leg in the turf trinity the two year old fillies will wrap it up for this weekend stakes preview grey to adirondack six and a half furlongs on the main track field of eight. I like this bunch of I'll tell you why did this. Two or three phillies is in here that we're going to hear from and the next the final five months of twenty nineteen yeah. That's <hes> very well true. I think it's a good field and all the races on Sunday or just really nice. I mean it's it's a great car. <hes> I went with the two francs rock cat. I know she's the chalk doc but looks to me like she's the fastest billion this right now. I don't know where we're going to get to know one. Maybe five to one hundred they're gonNA bet the heck outta magic dancers. This is a perfect two for two for Steve asmussen speed figures a little little bigger <hes> she won her maiden and the debutante just twenty two days apart that always impresses. There's me when you see the young horses able to regroup in such a short amount of time and come back with a good effort now. She regressed buyer wise a little bit who tamer she's drawn outside as well. She has a nice cozy outside box that counts in Horsfield right absolute goes eight okay. Gary goal is going to run a couple local trainer guy. He's a great guy. Could horsemen had a couple of big price. I is win. Big Queues on the rail missed PAPINA. I think I prefer Mr Pena Price. <hes> I'm with you. Though I'm taking my man Belmont Frank Fraud cat first time lasix monster maiden win down Churchill downs what he's intimate shifts there just unbelievable right yeah. I think you just better blind. I don't I don't disagree at this point. <hes> so tons of fun. We're going to wrap up with Frank's rock cat. We hope they she can leg kip them leg kick them. I'm trying to be too clever. I'm too tired to is be clever right now. The great to adirondack goes race number ten all right pontiff all thirteen a Baker's dozen books time now for the night or abets best bet. This is the naira beds best that my friends well. I'm going to the ninth race on Sunday. Okay the Syra Toga Derby and I'm going to take number nine seismic wave but old seismic wave. It's not often that somebody's picking a Bill Motte. The judge Joel Rosario Naira Bets Best Bet not named the big a on this program is is GonNa take seismic wave in that inaugural Saratoga Yoga Derby if you can come out to the SPA this weekend one eighty two spectacular races to come your way. I'm GonNa take me home. Country Roads West Virginia Mountain Momma. I'M GONNA go to exclamation point. In the West Virginia Governor's Grade Three West Virginia governor's. He is my naira bets best bet for this weekend they fantastic weekend of racing figures to come your way you can play it all over at naira vets dot com great having he'll jude looking forward to all the programming tomorrow morning yeah. It's been fun to do this live at Saratoga and look forward to tomorrow yeah a great day of Action Equine one forum presented by red ransom the morning Saturdays at Saratoga presented by visit Barbados Dot Org

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NYRA Podcast July 5, 2019

Daily Racing Form

41:47 min | 1 year ago

NYRA Podcast July 5, 2019

"Hi everybody and welcome to d r f tv stars and stripes saturday podcast from belmont park presented by the new york racing association i'm dan olin joined by two since ational handicappers apres drs niagara analyst mike beer a time for usa analyst nairobi morning line maker and all around ira expert david arizona we're gonna talk about saturday's card beautiful belmont park of course we've got the belmont derby in the belmont oaks but there were several stakes races to discuss and will primarily talk about the five stakes races on the car the major ones and if the guys have anything else on the card they'd like to discuss we could talk about that at the very end of the podcast let's begin however with race number six and this the grade three dwyer industrial dwyer's run at a one turn mile route three year old david you made code of honor for the five on the morning line and understandably stand beliefs so we also have gained he was in the kentucky derby but i'm interested in your overall thoughts of code of honor we got a nice set up in the fountain of youth the trip certainly worked out from in the kentucky derby and he was pace compromised in the florida derby you think this cutback is what he's looking for because you ran so will the champagne i wonder if the mile and a quarter was a little action from in the derby i've gotta say i was actually pretty surprised by good effort of the kentucky derby because i never really thought this through the mile and a quarter horse a i think the fact that iran so well that day is just a testament to how well he's developed mcgee and how the good form of these in right now a he might just be better than this field and as you were suggesting i do like turning back to this one mile distance i i think that's really be ideal trips for him i the thing about this race though is there a ton of really competitive complex races in this take five sequence and all these stakes races on saturday at belmont park and i feel like this is a spot where a lot of people are going to try a single i tried on our this race down because at first glance it seems like a pretty straightforward affair a but there were some ways to go in this race there is some alternative dakota butter i think code of honor is the most likely winner going around that fortify price i do think that's a little low because there are some talented runners in this race a role waiting is a horse and i'm not sure what to do when i think he's certainly talented enough to win a race like this i'm just not totally convinced that he is a miler type a he's got a ton of speed we saw that as a two year old he's just wickedly fast early they got underrate last time so it's a testament to his connection but they actually got the turnoff you're only going in used at a speed that he has at the end of the race still though i'm not sure that stamina is really an asset for him so i'm a little bit concerned but he's not gonna get the mile distance a i don't know what to me hosts he's a horse but i never been a huge fan of a i that muccio macho man anyone well it seemed impressive at the time i'm not sure how strong the race has been in retrospect i i alternately landed on final jeopardy in this race just because i think there are about four horses that could win this race and he's gonna be the biggest price of them i kind of think for this horse for a little while he has had excuses though in his to a prior graded stakes tries he just got totally eliminated at the start in that would memorial i mean there is just that traffic jam coming out of the gate and a wall there is a worst trouble i mean he was just really stood out to the back of the pack and just never had a chance to make a run after that and then last time out of the peter pan he didn't run grade but if you watch that race he was just really green much screener that i never seen him before he was reacting doubted away and just kind of very left and right coming off the far turn it into a stretch a i don't know maybe i read ortiz is going to use the whip differently this time they made some adjustments since then but i think my what might really worked with his horses turning back to a mile 'cause i really liked that optional claiming score three back a gulfstream and that's been a strong race upper roger the second team back to do well in subsequent starts a that was a fast race and i just think final jeopardy he's a horse in the last two efforts make it seem like and he might get somebody born in this race jason service seeking wake up horses like this and i think it might get a good ever effort out of the source on saturday yeah i think i share a lot of the same opinions david i don't know i'm not when it got code of honor on not that i feel like this is a racy hasta man i do think going shorter is fine for him though on for the most part his racist or good i don't think they're great but they're good a man he is the horse would be in here horse and i wanna use but i'm you know it's not the kind of race where i feel like you can't take shots against them on you know roadway in i feel exactly the same way about david i struggled a little bit with them you know i thought maybe he would wind up my ticket nobody thought he ran well last time he did get a perpetrator in that race but we might see him you know take back off the pacemaker run up inside the horse he ran down in a pretty nice older or so you know raper waiting around legitimately well last time i you know i i thought maybe i would pick on but i ultimately went on to me hose i i think i like him a little bit more the david does i find each of his first career start really good they timmy showed him to be a very talented younger worst macho man you know maybe the format panned out wait a minute with a close finish sdn but jimmy he won that race a lot easier than the neck margin which suggests he did at a i finally got a pretty tough trip and they got very very wide in that race early he was about five wide around the turn in that race which is almost never a good thing at all three are on but he's still came home game they closed that race down i really funny rant well and i don't care about the holy ball i don't think he's a two term kind of worse 'em it's just a question of what you're gonna get off the the long layoff year because i guess he got sick a couple times after that race 'em so let's see what kind of for me and it seems like he's training while the i think he runs best reiki could go with these horses and i thought he'd be a price in this race on so i like him and i and i agree with that kind of forgotten turning back but he really one i don't know how good their sources on but i think going shorter is just way better previous source i'm gonna try andy code of honor values in the code of honor looks like the horse to beat but we might be able to start off this sequence with some prices david is gonna go with the five final jeopardy for jason service mike takes a shot with the one me hosts row jimmy jerkins oregon's and if you happen to get knocked out of the niagara that slate pix five well there's a pick for and it starts with a sensational race the belmont oaks invitational it's a mile and a quarter of a three year old phillies based all across the globe from france chance from ireland from japan and of course from the united states and really mike the most polarizing horse in the race and i never thought i would say this released i never thought i would say entering her two year old campaign is the number to newspaper of record is brilliant a juvenile fillies turf war says we've seen in a long long time and we look at a wrecker this year and she's offered to it all of a sudden she has something approve yeah lots of proof 'em yeah i don't know what to say about a really but she has the story starting off the race 'cause you have to decide what you wanna do with her before you're on 'em you know she was to me maybe the most exciting horse i'm coming back senate races this year an m so far things just avocado welfare her you know after lee edgewood when she got run down by country roads i dunno i i felt like there was nothing wrong with that she looked a little bit headstrong m as in her wanting that race 'em dot overpowered in the strength that i didn't think it was terrible disappointing to sure i did think it was terrible on i do think her wonder again was terrible though 'em so that that had any concerned about her you know she just got away with a very easy pace last time she looked like she was still going strong a distraction whatever reason she didn't finish the race off the two year old new york new newspaper recor finishes that race off on they now she's got us rights out to a mile and a quarter you know we'll see what happens you know i know that there's been some talk of at least from her connections they wanna get covered up and take her off the pace the time you know i can't see how that's gonna work out for her if she was mine i would just how i read it go and not even on take two big older and just see what happens but you know the mile and a quarter of the question either way i don't wanna just totally dismissed mr because i know that you know as good as she wasn't a two year old she could certainly on beat a field like this if she somehow turns it around but i don't have any confidence in our and all right now i'm so let's see what happens i'm definitely gonna take a shot against her and you're the two horses the peter enough to start this year under find so many contry rose and cambier park i can't say i'm a huge fan of either one of those on but you know they've done nothing wrong i guess the perhaps to likeliest yardage to win this race at newspaper recor can't just can't find herself again i just i'm not a big fan of either one of those two horses i'm gonna take the euro's the try this feels like a one on old and don don discourses just improved from race race she she has taken on more distance this year and she's handled it on you know her race offer lay off a small shop i thought was a pretty good performance and there she finished gamely in there couldn't really get up and that wasn't good pace in front of her that day but i thought she ran well on she wandering expert at my own age she ran really well in a grade one last time at a mile and a quarter on the phillies won that race looks pretty good shoes undefeated at that time she did lose the favorite in the french oaks but that definitely okay tummy and i just thought this work get a good trip from the rail and they're just so many question marks in this race is worthy american horses go that i i'm just you know having a take a shot with a horse like her really good trainer i liked it they reached out for local rider she should get a good trip from the rail i like her end 'em you know i'll use just wonderful with her even though she had a little bit of the newspaper recor thing going on a good two year old 'em you know i thought she ran finding the breeders cup she was never gonna beat newspaper record's she ran find that they she hasn't come back as good three m but i thought or english thousand guineas with good on not rave i thought it was good at it showed me at least the she still has some things you wanna be in that race terrible in her last two starts yeah i don't know what to say about those two a but i do think that on you know she's a horse who has a good rate in her and she she's really bright to go this far i mean she's all distance on the bottom this is the first time restructured around this is supposed to be what she wants to do so i'll give her a chance to turn it around getting ornaments rate i'm i'm mostly one six with other three horses i already mentioned some backups from me so i'm kind of on a totally different page in this race the mike is i i i'll start with american horses i guess so landau newspaper of record which i'm kinda surprised about i i didn't think i would pick her in this race but just going through this field i i could latch onto anybody else as an alternative an at the end of the day newspaper of record is better than these horses i firmly believe that the question is whether or not they could get her to settle in up to run one of her good graces a maybe she's not the same horse anymore maybe she didn't go on his from two to three and others have a i don't totally buy that guy i don't think we've seen evidence of that yet a she actually reminds me a lot of analyze it last year in the belmont dirty a he looks so good early on came back a lost a couple of races coming into the belmont derby and i think a lot of people were just add missing and coming into that race and he was very lukewarm favorite there and he almost won that race check rounds generally right about these horses me maybe he just passed runner in this spot because there is no other option but i don't i wouldn't be shocked she got the ten furlongs as long as she settles a the question for her as the shrimp and i know they're pretty adamant about getting her off the pace in this race in a i think there will be an opportunity to do it because when you're looking at this field 'em the the number seven horse jodi the japanese philly if you watch races in japan she is they one dimensional front runner she is going to the front in all likelihood a maybe newspaper recor just is unreasonable and i read ortiz won't be able to get her back behind that horse a but i think that will be the plan and also i wonder if kathleen americanos in this race just service some sort of pacesetter because i know she was kind of a a late addition to this race and a it's a little curious the chaperones running a horse like her in this race when he got so many other good horses out there that seemingly had better credentials it's running this race and she does a so i wonder if there's a little bit of planning involved in that a newspaper record's settles i think she's going to win this race that's a big if though a watch the early portion of this race but you wanna look for is that i read ortiz's hands are disconnected from her neck back in the saddle and and pulling on the rain that's a really bad side that's what's happened in each of our last you start and she had no finish left but if she could somehow relax a little bit i think she could win this race and watching some of her recent workouts she looks like she's settling a little bit better she really i finished cambier park very well in their most recent work out a kind of driving away from her at the end so i put her on top knocking i think she's gonna be great value or anything like that just thinking about this race multi rates perspective and playing like a pick by the pick four wager a she is where i wanna lean in this race because i don't think any others of horses but i wanna put on the same tier as her as pretty others interamerican horses i'm not a big concrete roseanne frankly of of all of the top american horses newspaper recor cochran road and kendra park i'm almost most worried about concrete rose getting the temper long distance 'cause there's a lot of sprint pedigree on the downside of her breathing an i know should we strong off impressively at the end of the edgewood last time but i think a lot of that was do a newspaper recor just shutting down at the end of that race and it's a bit of an optical illusion 'cause they weren't coming home that fast so i respect concrete rosen i think she's really taken a step forward i she just a little bit against her a cameo parks what i'm worried about getting the distance 'cause she got good damn steely hill louis probably best going a mile and a quarter on the turf and can be a part just seems like she successively stepping forward with every start a she doesn't have the same turn of foot disney others but she's like riding type but i think it's going to be around at the end of that this race after the euro's i wonder like some more then ultimately did a i kind of had the opposite take on all linden that didn't then mike did a duck free sanal every last time because that's not really a group from group one race i mean if you look at the horses they're a cr acting with impressive winning but she came back and was kind of exposing the french jokes and the third place finisher owned on barely got past i mean she came back and amazon may third and a group three race next time so i'm just not sure that the form about racism it's really quite as good as it looks and it only got a time form rating of one oh one which is nowhere near what great a group on horses should be running so i'm just not sure that she's really good as she looks i haven't been thrilled with her racist having watched them a and the two eight no brian orces i i mean coral beach seems kinda hard to make and just wonderful i don't know maybe they just in talks about what makes it about the pedigree but i won this race last year i'm always skeptical they'd know brian britain the phillies over the usa though because if you look in formulator a female horses says that he runs in the united states he's just to four thirty nine over the past five years seems like he's just taking a shot lawn these horses to get some get some some black type in a it's not quite as intentional placement if he does but the colts so i dunno just wonderful not gonna shock me but i i did love her so multi right perspective i would lean a newspaper of record and you see others have backups a cameo park would be my second pick in this race i just didn't have a really strong opinion so i'm just going to lean on the horse but i think is the best horse and the good news david is the newspaper of record with all of her merits on her page and all of the talent she's shown throughout her career will likely be the best price at least on the winning end and certainly in the multi then she's ever been in her entire career mike the french philly all and on that as well as eight no brian's just wonderful in the belmont oaks we have another pick for beginning with race number eight this is truly the late pick four and it's the great to john eight nate rude going seven furlongs three hundred thousand dollars is the purse and david the number nine promises fulfilled you made the two to one morning line favorite he was certainly one of the better three year old dirt sprinters of twenty eight teen in i think you could make the case then he has some excuses this year and the dubai golden shining that was a top spot off of the long layoff and when he didn't break his best asset was taken away from him i guess the churchill downs stakes you could say was a little disappointing until you realize you ran against the freakishly fashioned matola leap and last time out he never really got close to the rail on a date we had to be inside yeah if there's one horse in this sequence but i really wanna lean on its promises fulfilled i just think he fits this race so well and i agree with what you were saying he's had real excuses this year i know he's lost three races and he's lost four in a row going back to the breeders cup last year but he's actually run well in all of you read well not golden gene after breaking slowly the churchill downs raise and they totally just so good and i i love the race around the met mile last time in my opinion that's one of the best effort yet because he doesn't really wanna go a mile he was three why the entire way over a track where you didn't wanna be that far out a you really want to be in the one ather perhaps the to pass but a his trip would immediately compromised by his wide trip in that race and he stayed on pretty well all things considered a and i'm not gonna be shocked at all they get back to the the one oh seven buyer there any amsterdam last year or the kind of racing who's running a male and jerkins with the phoenix a i just he is weighing the horse to beat in this race and this is one of those time for good pace projector races where if you look at the pace projector he's out in front of without the blue bar favoring worst monitor the league i think he's back within a horse like kelly banks captain go through the rest of the field there is just not a ton of speeding this race in my opinion there's just not enough speed to bring other horses into this race to probably already been as good as promises fulfilled so if i can get that to the one on promises fulfilled i actually think that the deli want him 'cause he should probably be lower than that in my opinion a absolutely others do share at his best is the second most talented horse in this race i just don't trust him at all a i he was really good in that tom pool to back his churchill down stakes okay it wasn't great a even though the pace looks fast it wasn't a race they really played horses coming from way out of it for whatever reason a key with a late that scratch at the gates when he would enter the true north last time i i don't know what that was about but that's never a good sign a and he's just a horse that's somewhat inconsistent he's been really consistent belinda rice but mike makers only gotten that one really good ever dot fm i'm not thrilled with his other racist for the for the new trainer so i did know what to do with him ultimately he's not gonna get the right pace scenario so it's a little bit against him i haven't yet most respect for pat on the back i think he's a really cool horse i don't know if he's good enough to win this race but he could get a little bit ignored in a spot that he always runs well i think he's probably gonna finish in the money somewhere a an nicotine mrs a horse at all a little interesting interesting to me i don't know if he's good enough to win the race a but i think seven furlongs is a better distance for him and six and a half last time i know it's just a half hour long distance but he just never seen comfortable the pace last time he was really under a ride for logical way to keep up and he was still finishing best of all you end up that raise a so i think he could do a little better this time i'm just not sure he's good enough to be promises fulfilled a i think promises fulfilled it could be really tough to beat this john day route yeah i i i'm only a forty nine in this race promises fulfilled way the horse it'd be i i'm not a you know it's amazing it's all about the page pretend there's really no speedier here on timmy his three races since the breeders cup 'em are not that good i find it in the met mile last time 'em his first two starts back off the layoff i don't wanna wasn't dubai and he didn't break right in there but he didn't run well in that race in you know his churchill race is fine but if he gets back to his best rates and he just they just finished with a friend here i think he's gonna be really hard be on any only other words i want in the race nicotine minutes on that because i think it's definitely good enough to win just because i feel like he is a horse who's on continuing had the right way per per window rights and this is just a better team i know it's only have but he made the little more ground and a true you know sticker six and a half race he was running the end of that race last time it was not a rank where you want it to be trained it flows through much ground i think on you know his racist overall are pretty they're not good enough to be a promise this film but they're pretty good in the closer i thought he could be the one to take a step forward and you're i didn't really like anybody else in here on just the or the night just seems like the class dropper promises fulfilled this very good for him as david mike say he is the horse to beat is a horse they'll both be using mike's also a little bit interested in nicotine miss i think he is a bit upwardly mobile bulwer gonna move onto a race number nine it's the grade one belmont derby it's a mile and a quarter million dollars that's one of the best bedding races you're going to see just a full field evenly matched talented three year olds and mike let's talk about the morning line favorite day but i'm sure you've got a whale whale of a time making the line for this race the thirteen digital age ninety two on the line of 'perfect reefer three or who else chad brown he'd be three of these common photos last time out any american turbie also beat abc's ladder who came back to run second in the procedures queen's plate a digital age is doubtless leah talented horse what i see the siren visible spirit in my past performances however i always get a little bit concerned about distance and digital age is gonna raise beyond the mile in the sixteen for the first time in his career on saturday yeah distance really is the the big question for him because i don't really think there's any way to knock it talent he's one of a two for chatting year who comes in at three for three on digital i i like his last race on my on once he got off attendee outside in the stretch he really came with a good finish in there on so it's a closed that feel like that performance i liked his right to back on obviously his his debut is one one of those races that when you watch the just look at it on paper mental look that great if you watch the you know the source just had a ton of talent in a ton of upside 'em will see what happens i feel like he's the kind of course you know when i got in my favorite near now i don't know how anybody favor year that was kind of a wide open race on i could've used him in this race i don't want them but i could use some pressure on i actually would wanna chat other horses on top twelve the marshall like you know there's a lot in common these two horses i just feel like you know commercially seems way more likely that the handle the stretch out and distance and i listen i just like all three of his racist i think he's run really really well and all of them a host twelve is no bargain on but he his his nine residents the local proper this race was it was a strong effort you know he did get a good trip in that race but he came to be outside howard by that field ran right through a bump in stretches stop at all i thought he ran well in there and i'm actually just coming back you know for the most part the two horses i wound up being most interesting in other horses and ram ram wants to win that race 'cause i also money side who is just you know they were they were very conservatively independent enrage it almost you know it's a it's a local properly and it's almost like they were using it as a press they just took him back to last rosario didn't even take them off cover until they got into a distraction he was running at the again he seems like he's perfectly built a race there's more distant probably better for him on each one violent all these racist any way he just does really well in this bill if you can get at shrimp you know as a closure in a fourteen horsfield is gonna need to get the right kind of triggered the race but i i like those two horses forces on more than anybody else but it was pretty close i mean i just felt like there were a lot of different ways to go in and those were the two horses but i settled on just because you other ones i just had way more questions about his far distance or whether they were you know quite good i think there are some horses who have some talent but may not quite be this like on any european orces didn't really do anything for me i don't like master fencer i don't know why anybody you know lifestyle or incapable of old male maybe he's so you're own values you got a you know he is the president going wrong if you're in they stretch them out this year he did improve on you know his last race isn't a good one but it was soft ground getting closer and the pace unusual maybe next year i can't say love that horse but he gets turned turner you know he's a horse in this race yeah so i got similar feelings a the bike does about a day american horses i i guess i just lightly prefer digital age of the three horses are going to take the most money i would assume i i like his race it a lot i may american turf last time i've been really impressed by that lake kick that he put in i know there's some question about the distance i don't know i'm not considering that too much i feel like he's gonna handle it chad brown he generally get these horses to go this far in the kind of style but he has coming from off the pace without late kick i feel like it doesn't matter as much especially on a really per per course like were probably gonna see on saturday so that's not something on factoring into much i i just think there's a chance digital digital age is maybe in the best horse in this race so it's a very close a he's got a workout a trip though chad brown runners got really lucky but the post draws a history shortest price runners were all the three outside post position a so i like digital age i just don't wanna put him on top 'cause he might be the favorite in this race commercially the top horse for me because i like is racing is he's not the flashiest horse he just kinda gets it done he he brand better than i expected him to independent bridge last time i like him a little bit in that race but i he really took it over at the polling emma's gamed hold off seismic waves way it's a seismic waves come in with a full head of steam in democracy i really dug in if they got to the wire a he's a nice horse i have no doubt about getting the distance a he just doesn't seem to have the same turn of foot some others and i wonder if that'll be a slight problem in his field is biggest this could all these horses after workout trips and you gotta get make her way through some titles at strict certain point so a will find out a i like him though i wouldn't be surprised if he wins this race a in some ways i guess seismic waves the one that should appreciate the stretch out the ten furlongs the most of these three a because he's got a ton of stamina breeding on the downside a he's a half to tell text to a second in the three d l and france which of the final mile and a half race he just comes from so far out of it seems like the only option is to go right to the back of the pack with him and try to pass everybody i don't think they're gonna change that game plan this time if anybody you can do it at joel rosario because he's been writing great he's so good on these closer's a he's just gonna have a lot of work to do i think he's talented enough to do it but everything needs to go right for him i'm using all these horses there my second third and fourth picks i really am kind of pro american horses in this race but i did take one of the euro's on top i put cape of good hope as my first pick i i guess i don't love him i just think he's probably gonna be decent price in this race i think he's a little better than he looks a that that a french derby toback was a really good effort that felt like a pretty strong race where there were some gaps between the horses ahead of him a it feels like the winter really round that day in the runner up person came with a highly touted horse going into their a he finished well ahead of rockefeller were a the horse since been transferred to chad brown who strongly outside in this race and he was really finishing better than that horse i think it was just a soft hurts last time in the hampton court if you watched that race account it looks for a while like he's gonna run a big race because he burst through a hole in for a minute looks like he's going to finish in the money and they just kinda can't sustain that momentum in really tires at the end he really tied up badly at the end of that race in just looked at me like a worst at wasn't getting over the ground later it really tired about so i'm not gonna be shocked if he runs a lot better getting on the firm turf here a little brother highland real so anything you don't wanna go farther than this i'm only he could find on that horses early speed because i see a will be well served before they placed in this race because there are a lot of horses that wanna be closing from way back and here which makes me concerned about the trip throw some it'd be a more highly regarded american horses but i just incapable get good hope is going to be in that eight ten to one range and at that price i'll put him on top a as pretty others i it's kind of a gap back to them for me rock denver doesn't do a whole lot for me i his racist prior to that pretty shocking cluber just okay a hidden run great not raise a social paranoia i think in terms of raw talent he's nearly on par with horses like demar saying digital age edge just i don't think he's going to be helped by the stretch out the ten furlongs so i'm a little against him even though he does have early speed and that could be an advantage a i'm gonna go with good hope and take a shot with a horse i think offer some value fantastic grace probably a spread race in any kind of multi raceway injure like this all stakes late pick five end 'em dave is gonna go with cape of good hope the full brother highland real breeders cup turf winter ten million dollars in lifetime earnings he'll use forces like marshall yale use forces like seismic waves and digital age mike's top three picks in saturday's d r f b analysts goes with the marshall ea a seismic waves cape of good hope but it should be a sensational show race number ten is the great to suburban in this race is just been such a historically important race off for niagara over the years ago when the classic distance of a mile and a quarter seven hundred thousand dollars is the person david catholic boy boy is back the source of course won the belmont derby last year on the stars and stripes racing festival you won the travers he's won the rent and he seems equally good on dirt and turkey got a nice starting off point in the great to dixie on the preakness preakness undercard in every time they go turf the dirt with this or see fires and he does have that good early speed that will put him in the mix yeah i i like his early feeding this race especially break confirm the rail going this odd configuration of belmont park where they break in the middle of the turn a being inside is never a bad place to be going that distance a he's a horse debate in this race pressure he deserves to be a pretty strong favorite i just he's a horse but i feel like a lot of people are overrating a little bit 'cause we don't yet know he's really good at somebody other handicap horses out there a he deserves all do credit for his versatility because you rarely see horses that this elite level or equally as good on dirt in turkey and it's really cool that he's able to do that a but i think because he's able to do that people are just just mistaken amphora better horse then he's shown himself to be so far a he runs around the travers last year and if he runs that kind of speed figure again he is the most likely winner of this race but let's remember who is beating and the travers it wasn't the strongest group at that time of year a the favorite in that race good magic didn't show up gone kalki didn't show up it was in retrospect not the toughest field he didn't show up in the breeders cup classic catholic boy he just didn't run his race for whatever reason that day even though he's a horse usually does i thought overturned turn the dixie last time is fine he's going to appreciate getting back out to the ten furlongs 'cause stamina is his greatest asset a i just feel like looking at the speed of this race a special looking at the time from you must be figures he really doesn't have an edge on the field and he's going to have to probably run maybe the best dirt race in his life to be be is an at a short price i just don't wanna take in earlene too heavily on him a he might even trip down off at nine to five because it seems like a lot of people annoyed against one of the best handicap horses out there already and i'm just not totally convinced yet a the the trouble with this race is there is no clear alternative once you get to the rest of the field a i don't particularly like the horses coming out of the brooklyn a rocket you're marconi tony marconi got pretty lucky to win that race rocketry had a tougher trip but rocketry is also worst i don't think wants to go as short as ten furlongs i i think you need way more ground in that and there's just not enough featuring the clothes into a possible is a horse that certainly has as a race in him back and win this i've never loved and going ten furlongs though at the top post position a he had a tough trip in the metropolitan mile last time he just had no chance that race given the way it's set up and where he was on the track a but he's still so i don't totally trust even though we know we could win this race potentially it'll be a price a i put preservationists on top i don't know for certain at preservation is good enough to win this race but i liked the way is coming into this race this horse always had a ton of talent i it's tough to take it lightly raced six year olds 'cause you know but he's got a ton of physical setbacks with all these stops and starts in his career but he's always been really good at when he does show on the track he almost always runs well another thing about him is he really runs well second awful layoff he's kinda big heavy robust horse who sometimes take some time to get that when you look back in the past performances key need that first race back i'm gonna get the second race off the layoff really takes a step forward if he stepped forward off his return raised this time he's probably gonna beat this field because he ran really well and that may twenty third race a previously is not been a horse that i think loves the wet track especially a sloppy track i don't think that's his preferred surface a but he showed a turn of foot i'd never seen him last time coming through on the inside he beat expert who is a horse who's been in great form verlinden rice recently he's gotta stretch out to the mile and a quarter but he certainly do it on a damn side there's a ton of stamina breeding in his pedigree and a likely inside draw i just think preservation if there's going to be a decent decent enough price i could take a shot with him because i do think catholic boy going to be underlie yeah i mean i don't really have lots of accidents i you know which way is the horse it'd be near 'em you know i don't think he's as good as a lot of people are sort of making him out to be certainly one some really nice racist that's for sure on but you know the tower over the steel on by any stretch on maybe he's just found the right spot up or is good for him on you've got a good postponing inside a and he's a horse who could very easily win but i don't think he has to win any kind of horse i'm happy to take at least a small shot against 'em islip preservation a second in my analysis i i liked this horse i really liked his return right they know it was a sloppy track on i really liked the way he ran that guy he looked really good winning three three routing in his career on he should be able to go this far 'em i just think he's really dangerous in hearing what should be a fair price oblong top i don't trust him on but he shouldn't be at the right price in this race in you know he's just he's one of those horses i you know i can't figure out what they're thinking the way they manage him in some of the races day ronnie man on but you know he has a lot of talent and i just wonder if he's one of those horses who's never gonna show up because of the way he's been handled and it's hard to you know not too much make two million dollars on the track but on you know he's over seven assistance and they just random in you know every possible mile and a quarter race there in the world this is not in my where he might be better going shorter but he's run some good race is going this or including dubai world cup to back he did not want early in that race it all he had an impossible trip last time on in didn't run that bad it all and the mile on i just feel like this is you know maybe the first spot in in in in quite a while he actually has a real chance to win and it's gonna be a fair price and i'm gonna take him and preservation is trying decaf last time possible travel win second back from dubai pulled off the upset and the grade one stephen foster it's gonna try to repeat that pattern on saturday in these so bourbon a the marquee name and this racist catholic boy the jets were gonna try take shots against mike with eleven toppled he's also using david stop selection the two preservationists and it's certainly nice to see that perseverance is paid off her centennial farms and jimmy jerkins this is a six year old preservationists this will only be is eight lifetime start is obviously had his share of physical problems but he's always had talent and now he has a chance destroyed his stuff on the big stage so there is the late pick five will be all snakes pick five on saturday today on stars and stripes racing festival saturday at belmont we've got six others and i hate to put you guys on the spot but might give me one other spots later the folks at home and i dunno if i have there's anybody that i would push too hard i thought the undercard on saturday was you know sort of left and interacting on you know the the fed's rate i five is a very good rate but you know first time stars at the two year old turf sprint there were some really nice pedigrees and some horses you couldn't be okay in that race on so it's a it's a good race to watch you know i i went with only a horse like experience montage that you you is actually pretty good on the main track and that horse should handle the turps i think that'll be a price on you know many in the second rate i'll take a shot with a southern brigade brigade the number nine off the layoff here a three year old date your students just getting the right dropping plan arnold kind of price that horse it'd be a in in that race but i would take a shot but then perhaps there's really wasn't anybody think undercard caught my attention yeah there were a few races on the undercard but i thought were interesting 'em not the third grade races a but there were some vulnerable favorites i think the first race i i think eight oaks is going to be the favorite just because she's got a left out win in a race where a lot of others have really port borbon but if you're a member of the reason that she was going back all the way a year a it was a four horsfield that might have been one of the worst race i've ever seen running in ira's circuit so so i don't want any part of that horse i think she's attractive that raise a if the track is fast tomorrow i think melba mistrust of course you really wanna pay attention to in the first race because she is faster than these horses and you're only going and she hates a sloppy sealed track remedy sealed track a she really just runs or only good races on heroin going so a i think she's a horse you wanna pay attention to also because she's getting a writer switched dylan davison i her prior rates off the layoff gary contested had put a ride around who just doesn't really win races so i think there's a lot more intention behind now the mystery of tomorrow and she could just get in front of that building at brave so a sheet horse i wanna play in the opener a the second race comey is interesting because there are a lot of horses that are going to take money they think are just running in the wrong spot a lot of don't wanna go this far a i agree with mike the southern berg greatest the horse to beat a team just is very logical a but the horse but i wanna take a shot at a price and the second racist gold konda but he's got turf races going around a groundout making the big player in this race and i think people gonna be turned off by his last race in that forty one buyer would also got a pretty long time from you spe figure i don't know what the deal is or the time looks fine but i think that's a race where the speed figures are going to be proven wrong overtime a the winner opt came back and rent twenty two points higher in his next start a the fourth place finisher overlord came back around seventeen points higher at his next start a the numbers doesn't make a whole lot of central lot of horses in that race so a i feel like that number is more like a fifty five fifty six and go honda really did not take a step backwards at all and now he's taking the drop from maiden special debating claimer i know we've had a lot of chances but in terms of ability i think he's one of the most talented horse in the race that he might be a price so he's a horse i definitely want that and then in leave fifth race it mike was mentioning a button right up this works or not but a percentage were stopped lamont is the first time starter i've been looking forward to seeing a because he's working in company with a few other horses christoph has you'd already run well he's been i think out working them and he's got plenty of turk pedigree he's a half brother fast photo to showed a lot of promises the turf sprint early in his career as well as new tread to a one race here i think last week who is decent on the turf so i think percent it's a horse that just fit that race really well and chris dot com but the first time starter well there you have it great carta obviously on saturday at belmont park eleven racecard five major stakes races one breeders cup winning you're in the johnny name root for these breeder's cup sprint three year olds running in the dwyer and of course the main events you belmont oaks the belmont derby and the suburban featuring catholic boy last year's travers winner thanks to mike and david

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Part 2: Nick Tammaro, Rick Hammerle

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

53:49 min | 8 months ago

Part 2: Nick Tammaro, Rick Hammerle

"Oh Good Morning Morning Steve. How're you doing? I've good do you have all the all. The appropriate baby's first Christmas stuff. Oh Yeah we're we're we're loading up we've got What what are their twelve shopping days to Christmas To baby on her first shopping trip last night so yes things are. Things are rocking and rolling Roland. We're ready we have. We've had our troops into the Sunday before Thanksgiving Sal. We're we're we're moving pretty pretty good pretty strong pace. I'm a little worried about what about us Getting flaming out getting close to it but still haven't quite figured out what the Christmas Day meal is going to be taking all suggestions so anybody. Nobody wants to give me suggestion on twitter. Go for it and I'll take any help I can get. You GotTa did you get an ornament did you get uh-huh an ornament for the tree. One of those baby first. Christmas things team has got you know Tina did the tree. And so she's got all the ornaments from Zach and Spencer's childhood and this is all new to me. Frankly but the and this is why I know about it. We have a little foothold mold of her footprint when she was born ornament on the tree so yeah very cool that is. That's great. Yeah you have to give to give credit to the better half for being creative and and getting that done so all all I all I can provide which is what most men can or at least can only aspire to is is the the the financing part of it so as long as I can pay for it. If somebody else wants to do it I mean I love it. Well let's get a couple of thoughts in and I. I couldn't talk to Andy this week. He he went up to Saratoga. And of course we were at Arizona but you and I can visit some of the results as you know just talked with Jay earlier about the Renton but I really didn't give the Cigar Mile You know full treatment and it's funny obviously it's out dirt and one turn and it's a different scenario but I thought the result in that Cigar Mile. Nick was very similar to what happened in the Breeders Cup Turf Mile where there were two obvious candidates the mayor in the philly against the boys and everybody went looking for alternatives and then the Philly in the mayor run one two and the same thing happened here. I mean the obvious answer was