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Jimmy Connors

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:18:08 hr | 2 years ago

Jimmy Connors

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rob this this is you don't have to be a fan of sports out a fan of just somewhere severence ceased adversity to the utmost what he was like forty when one of the best tennis players of all time. He can he made a comeback where he talks about media. They made it thirty thirty. He never should have been in the US open. And it is shocking to see what he does in that US open. It is one of the most memorable matches. Even if you don't like tennis. The story is incredible. I mean, the first match people turn off the TV. He was playing Pat McEnroe, John McEnroe's brother and turned it off. Because Pat McEnroe was up like two sets to non and Jimmy came back and then people at three in the morning. There was almost no one there and beat him to advance. And then the story gets even crazier. His mama's idle, his mom and grandmother taught him how to play tennis. He has anger issues. He's one of the most amazing. He was when he was on the original bad, boys. He was the bad boy before Jimmy for John McEnroe. Yeah. For sure this is one of my favorite interviews. Listen to it. Learn you're going to enjoy this Algom creator of smallville. He always says Jimmy Connors is my favorite he walked in there. You had no idea who he was. I mean, you know, he was you didn't know him. And he loved the interviews to check this out. And let's get inside Jimmy Connors. It's my pawn. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rose. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. First of all, I'm here with tennis. Great Jimmy Connors, my favorite of all time. You are. You are. Thank it. That's pretty cool. And it's the first time, I'm nervous. He could probably hear it. My voice a little bit can used a little just really Jimmy. You can't hear it. No. I fake it pretty well. You're good. Honestly, arguably the best desperate play wherever lip and still alive. And you look great. Well, you know, keeping up with things now is important. You know, and I live by one word Michael discipline, the annot and the older I've gotten since I've gotten away from tennis, and all that I still gotta live by that a little bit along the way so getting up and doing things and taking care of myself. And and you know, trying to stay a bit healthy I've done enough damage over the years. You're telling me there was a time when you weren't disciplined. I can't always always. Yeah. And and that's the word I still live by. So I. Still have to you know from my own head. Right. It'll get up and do something so CD. Oh, terrible. Yeah. Me too. Like, not not not like the lines like walking over lines or cracks not that bad. I was was pretty I covered it up pretty bad. When a pretty easily when I was playing because the tennis, you know in the adrenaline and everything kind of kept me out of it. But you know, even now today I've been out of tennis. You know, almost thirty years. You know, I still have it, you know, but, but you know, I kinda muffled a little bit and get by. But what do you ever go to therapists or you'd never go to third now? I can't do that. You've never been. I've worked at kind of worked it out on my own. You know, it's interesting my kids, I have the thing with with locking doors lock and locks and really and things and and so I'd get up in at night. And I go lock all the doors, and the windows and everything and and so I get in bed, and and the the kids would come in when they were younger, and they go. Hey, dad, did you lock the doors in bloom, you know, right up again? I mean, it's. You know, I can laugh about it. Right. But it's a serious thing. It really is a control thing it is. And I think I have that to a more of a control freak. I so I've told the story before, but my the difference with me was I think it was because my mother used to watch horror movies with me and make me watch them when I was eight. So I locked all the fucking doors constantly, and I'm looking at my bed all that stuff. So I get I get that. But it's amazing like your old school, by the way. You're not even old. You're not old at all. Okay. I'll take you really not especially now today. I mean. Their nineties. I mean, you got at least forty years, take it. Yeah. Right. I'll take it. Yeah. But you know, it's funny. How the reason why you're here because I probably never would've got you here. But I met your daughter Aubrey who's downstairs talking to my dog right now and we met at a at a Lakers game. And she was just awesome. And we laughed and we hit it off. We just became friends. And I was just like I'm doing this podcast and Bob LA. And I said he think your dad whatever's like, I dunno. Sure, I'll ask him. I like no fucking way. Jimmy Connors is not coming to my house on laurel canyon. I this is my first podcast, by the way. Really? Yeah. Into when she asked me to do this. I say when is it, and she told me, and and I said I'm coming in in the deal is she's got to have dinner with me too. So also took off. So it's a great day. I love the, and you know, to be honest with you. I mean, a lot of people will say, no one knows a lot about tennis tennis is a sport. Where you have you know, yet basketball? I think it's become bigger and bigger. And I think you have a reason there was a reason for that. That was you in a lot of ways the big comeback, which will talk about and all that stuff and just like. Your own persona that this guy that was anti not say, not gentleman. But like we've heard it ad nauseam. But you're the guy that was tennis. You don't screw you. I'll do what I want. And this is who I am. And I'm not straying away from that. Well, you know, you gotta remember that was when I first started. I was fifteen sixteen years old. I'm sixty five now, and I'm happy about that. But you know, so that's fifty years ago. And tennis was at a different time tennis was kind of stuck at a in a period of you know, now really going anywhere. And it had all the, you know, the pioneers that were trying to make tennis, you know, improve it and become better in get to more people. I happen to come around at a time when when tennis became open in a which meant that the the pros could play with the amateurs and everybody just play, you know, play together for, you know, my my generation in my, you know, my crew, you know, and I say that because it's all my, you know, the guys that, you know, Nostalgie played with all of us in Borgen in be Las. We can go back in. You know, name them forever. But but the guys that I was lucky enough to play with all had something on their own. And by that, I mean that, you know, not only that they have their own kind of tennis, but they had their own characters in her own personality and their own attitude. You know, which which I think at the time was was necessary. You know, gentle tennis was gentleman's game that time changed all of that. And it'll sometimes for the better sometimes not I mean, certainly, we crossed the line many many times, or, you know, but there were no rules, then you know, that tennis was trying to feel its way, and we certainly were trying to feel our way, and we just tried to feel each other in in in. We we went astray, but on the other hand in a we had the the the real tennis lovers in the tennis enthusiasts. They were gonna come. No matter what. But we tend us wasn't gonna grow enlist. We got the real sports fan. You know, the basketball baseball, and football, soccer and hockey and. You know to to come and watch guys running around in a pair of white shorts. Like, you know, right. You know, hit a tennis ball. You know, something had to give you know to really bring those people in the sports. So there was a strategy. You're saying I don't your peers it wasn't a strategy was all natural. It was inadvertent. Yeah. I mean, there was no plan. You know, we should do this. And we gotta do that. It was just that the guys at that time. You know, some of us were crazy. You know, a lot there wasn't country club guys guys coming out of the public parks, and you know, trying to, you know, make something of their life and have an opportunity to go to college or are or even beyond college. Become a pro and become the best in the world and travel the world and meet people in different cultures, and you know, really improve their lives. And and you know, that was me, you know, coming from a little town in in Illinois, Saint Louis Illinois cubs fan. I was a cardinal fan book right across the river that you ever listen to Harry Carey at all. Oh, yeah. Of course, Harry Carey is not the best. Hey, I've said who Jimmy Carter's I can't believe it came all the way over from Santa Barbara with his daughter Auber to hang out, my Levin room. You see you talk. Your like your old school to say, you go back, you know, to to to the greats of of that day, you know, deterrent on a game. And have Harry Carey Jack buck the play by play. You know, it's almost all really, you know, Terry carry Jack buck in but anybody else was wow. You know, something special, and it was it was supposed to act to that e Saint Louis, right, right? Yeah. Belleville? Well, I was born and raised in Saint Louis and lived there for eleven twelve years, and then we moved to Belleville, which is literally two miles away. Does what was childhood like I mean for for young Jimmy Connors? Now, I always read about like your mother, Gloria and your grandma, but they never hear about your father anything. I couldn't even find anything. Is there something you don't talk about? No. You know, my mom and grandma were were the pitcher because they taught me the tennis. They gave me this life that I have today and the life that I have when I was traveling and playing my dad was my dad, you know, he took care of, you know, the the duties, and you know, he he did the work, and he came home. He wasn't into. The tennis tennis wasn't his thing. He he did other things, and you know, he was a golfer, and and you know, lived his life. But you know, the tennis once I got into the tennis. You know that became my mom and my grandma's life. You know that, but you have to remember Michael the back, then you know there. What was the plan for me at seven my dad said with acting? What the hell's the plan? Right. What are you gonna do you gonna make money? There was no plan because there was no money. Right. You know back then. So, you know, the the idea was to to give us something to get us off the streets. Right. You know into to let us work at something. And to try to be good at something. Maybe we'll get an education out of it, you know, and and go to college because you know, and as I've learned. Over these many many years, I can walk in any place with a tennis racket and be welcome. You know, not not because I'm Jimmy Connors. But because I have a tennis racket. Yeah. You know, you're gonna meet people people play tennis. They wanna game. You know, if you got a good game come on in all of a sudden, you know, you're you're you're part of the communities. Our grandfather was a boxer was. Yeah. So you think also policemen? So you're thinking, okay, you're going to be a cop to is going to be a cop. He's going to be a he's going to be a fighter. He's going to be like what where was it that, you know, what did you start doing that? I was a fighter by just on the court. That's true. You know, true. But what when did you pick up whose idea was it to even pick up a racket where you do anything before that? Well, I started when I was like two or three years old, and my mom gave me a racket because she taught tennis to supplement the income in I was around and my brother was around. So we kind of took to it. You know, when the lessons would come. If there was five minutes, we'd be out, you know, picking up the balls, and you know, trying to hit a few 'cause you hate it that you hate like, I don't wanna loved it. I so I took to it right away of your mother was Gloria said, hey, you don't wanna do this. She I mean, she would have been fine. If you didn't do it. She was fine. You know, I I had an absolute normal child. You know, as always, you know, I could go with my buddies, right? Could run with my brother, you know. And if I got up one day and said mom, I'm not going to play tennis today. I want to go play basketball. You know that was fine. But I always came back around to the tennis in. Oh, and and and I was lucky because I had a built in pro and you're playing with someone good, right? Who knew what she was talking about going out there hitting a ball and. You can't get one volley going, right? And she was so good, Michael. And and I hate to, you know, my mom, you know, she would blush, you know, because this wasn't her, you know, but she was so good at teaching. No. But bringing out, you know, the in making it easy for and no pressure in a lot of people thought that my mom was a stage door a mother, and you know, was living through me. Sure. She was living through me. Of course. He was it's my mom. You know? But the the end result was if I if I did wanna play tennis she'd have been fine with that right fine with that. But I felt when I was young, you know, before I was twelve thirteen years old that I was doing it because I could spend time with my grandma, and my mom, let's do things. But when I got twelve or thirteen years old, I started thinking there's something to this. You know? And and I remember saying one time to to my mom, as you know, she's we were driving from from from our home to Saint Louis to play tennis. And I said she asked me something, and by Tennyson, I said boy, would I I'd love to be the best, you know. And and and and she looked around in and said, really, you know, and I said, yeah, you know, and, you know, I didn't know what I was saying, you know, she never mentioned that another time never ever mentioned it. But before she passed. She said do you remember? Wow kidding. When she when when. I said that as a kid, and she says, it didn't take any more work for you to become the best as it would if you just want to to do it for, you know, for a college education. So from me, you know, the pressure and not a never had that, you know, even play in the finals of Wimbledon or the US open. You know was never you've got to win. You know, this is what you never felt that not from her not from her. You felt it within yourself. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I have my own pressure. Sure. That never any isn't that something because that's all. That's here. A lot of that with acting, you know, and in this industry. It's like, you know, the parents, and you gotta do this and bring him to set on like, oh my God. This industries not for children. Right. And they push him. And you gotta do this. And you got to do this. Because again, they're living vicariously through them. Or you know, I didn't have that. I had the the extreme opposite. You know? I was like dad I got three goals in that hockey game. And we won and my dad like a week only. You know what I mean? He just wasn't. I I gotta happen scholar off from Miami of Ohio. He's like Michael come on. What's going to happen to you? What are you gonna start with the fourth line to work your way up to the third line work your way up any battered, you're going to be dishing out kid? You're good player. But there's you know, what's funny is he was fucking right Jimmy. Yeah. Was right. And I ended up not doing that. And I probably would have got the ship out. I mean in a hard lesson like he was sometimes get this shit. Beat up is pretty good because you're doing what you love have you ever had the shipping. Yeah. I mean, the ship way too many times when you're an older like when you're a man. Oh, no. We're just look when you were younger. I gave all that. Once you know, like I told you I did all my fighting on the court. My grandfather trained me like a boxer, you know, and and I see all these kids in the gym today and all that, and you know, they're getting strong, and and they convinced press three hundred pounds and go through all that. And then I remember seeing in the training room Wimbledon four or five years ago. And I see this one of the players he was bench pressing three hundred pounds. And I look I go by and I was in shock. I was in awe, I said, you really in the gym lifting that that kind of weight in and and and so he says, yeah, he says, I'm, you know, I'm strong, I'm strong. And I said so I walked about ten feet. I went back and I had to ask him. I said, yeah, how you doing in the tournament. And he says well I lost yesterday. You know? So and and the reason I say that is because all that in the I was was under the the impression that that tennis muscles were long muscles, fast muscles. Right. You know, not not, you know, bulky and titan. In in in. So, you know, there I go again, I'm old school, you know. But it's true. If you have bigger arms school training, and and you know, and I I like the football from those days that I like the the basketball from those days and the music from those days, and the acting thing out you, and it's just a it's just me, you know, and I came up it's such a great time. You know of of, you know, Frank Sinatra Dean Martin and Joe Montana and Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, and and Wayne Gretzky and a please Mohammad-Ali. Can I keep going? Yeah. Yeah. And and back when when tennis when I first got into tennis. That's who we were fighting for that little headline on the front page against you know, I'll I'll eat alley knocks out Frazier. You know, or or whatever, that's that's the headline. That's where the fire started to me. Yeah. I mean so Muhammad kicking smell all about that. How it went to see? Those. I mean that was just that was understand this though, you're eleven years old, you know, back in Illinois, you know, and you're like playing and started playing in tournaments and things and I'm huffing gas or something in Indiana. Like, not knowing what the hell I'm gonna do this little kid. It sounds like you had discipline at a very early age. But I had all that too. I was I always loved gas. Oh, yeah. Oh, really? I was I was shoveling the snow and working working for my grandpa and in doing things at the railroad with with him. And do it all that. I was doing all that, you know, and it had, but you know, to be that wasn't work that I was having fun doing that. Because I was hanging with the right people with, you know, with with my mom, I you know, my grandma my grandpa where you good kid in school. No, it's terrible in school meets terrible hated school hated it. And and. Which UCLA for year and that was enough. But but I I was bad in school. You just didn't like people talking down to you. Do you feel like it was like, we're just I had ADD? So I couldn't really focus. I had a lot of things. Go wrong in school. I didn't want to sit there. I was a clock watcher. You know, I had a reading disability. So, you know, you know, doing all that was tough. And and so I mean, a lot of things were, you know, for me to go to school in the sit there, and then you know, when I got older, you talked about eleven twelve thirteen years old all I could think about all day. As tennis tennis ten stats it, you know, I want I want to go play. I want to get out there. I wanna be outside. I don't you know, sitting in a classroom. Now, you're talking about education. I think I've I've had a good education along the way not all of it was out of books. You know? So, you know street smart. Yeah. And and I'm I'm happy. That's the one thing that that that I was able to to give to my kids, you know, was kind of an upbringing my wife on the other. Hand was was better at the books. So, you know, but in any way, I mean, you know, my my life growing up back in Illinois was you know, it was just normal was a normal kid, but but tennis back then you know, wasn't in a few didn't play football baseball basketball. Something else in you, play tennis or gov who watch out the call your fans, call names because he plays tennis. Yeah. The short shorts. But did they start with the short shorts? What can they be a little longer? Yeah. But you know, we had to sell more than just tennis because we were trying to get the crowd in. That's true. And I have to say this, and I'm not hitting on you. I'm not gay. If I wore Jimmy. I'd be fine with it. But I always remember Jimmy Connors was a great tennis player. He was a bad ass. And man, he had a great parallel. They carried me for a long time. You work on your legs a lot where you're always like, I mean, they were just perfect Sissy legs. Man. I was like because I remember playing high school tennis. And I was second doubles. Andy Biviano, we won sectionals. Once. I remember I was a scrawny little thing. I think I got kicked off the team because I would have for whatever reason. But I remember just like everybody had these strong muscular legs. And I was like man, I'm not I'm not made for tennis and not sexy enough for the sport. Well, is such an interesting time to, you know, to do you talk about that in, you know, a comparison of styles now today with the, you know, the kids are wearing the long shots, and, you know, the kind of the baggy fed almost like basketball shorts, and you know, the multi-colors and and and standing out in in back, then it was white. The you war white shirt with white shorts with white socks with white tennis shoes, you know, just all that. And I look back at the lot of the guys I played with and and Illionis dossey, for instance, you know, from Romania was of. Favorite right. One of my best friends in in probably in my in my opinion. He should have been the best of all time. He was that talented. He looked like he was born at a pair of tennis shorts. You know that it just fit him. It just just was him. Who aren't you guys worried that the the, you know, the ball might pop out not not the tennis ball, you know, because they were short like if you know, you had a really tuck them in. You know, you you did what you could never had that happen to you. I I was I was pretty fortunate. I was I was solid. I I was pretty solid in there. I was okay. Good. Inside of you is brought to you by stitch fix hang on with that pause button. You don't wanna fast forward this? Because tell me how you describe what you wear. Well, I this is the whole thing. You know, I were sweatpants t shirts a lot. But does that make you feel good when you wear that I'm comfortable, but I don't feel confident like people like, you know, here's what I notice. I did the stitch fix thing. 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So if you didn't have that certain talent that I thought look she'll let you probably live your dreams, and do whatever you can. But she saw something special because she took you out to California. Well, she did. Yeah. And and turn me over to punch Llosa girl now who educate people, and my girl is was one of my mom's best friends because my mom played the national circuit when she was young. Also in Pancho Segura was from Ecuador's appro from Ecuador, and they became great friends when a along the way in the the forties. So so when when he was was coming through Saint Louis, I was fifteen years old. He came through Saint Louis to to to play a match, and he was doing some some promotion for the for the match coming up. So we went over to him and to say hi to in my mom looks at poncho and says I've got a kid here. You know, this pretty good. My kid am I kid, by the way. Right. Exactly. You know? And now now the first thing I do is go hide behind my mom after that. Why not only are coming out? And it's how many times is the great punch cigar heard that from parents to. But because it was Gloria Thompson, you know, my mom who he knew he says how about this send your kid out to California. He can go to school with my son Spencer who was my age. And and you know, he can he can stay out here in in in play tennis and count. He didn't he didn't cut you off. But he didn't ask you to let see him play right now. No. There wasn't anything like that. So I didn't know how good, you know. He didn't he he kind of took my mom's word for it. And and so you know that that that's when I pick. Up and I moved out to California. So she saw something in you at how old before when you moved out there as fifteenth. So she said this you're that good. I think you have this potential while she had taken me as far as she could. I was a boy now man that was taught by a woman a woman's game to beat men now if you look at that as a little bit confusing, you know, and and I'm proud of that absolutely caused figuring because the the the game that my mom gave me held up for three almost four four decades. You know, so, you know, taught a very simple, very basic fundamentals and technique, and but when she turned me over to punch Llosa girl, my mom had given me the game. Now poncho had to give me whatever else was to come. You know, the the mental side of it, the, you know, the strategy side of it. And all that, you know, it goes back Michael just a just a Finnish is that. You know, people say that, you know. To me that you know, you you had to you know, it was you had to because in and they were right because I couldn't afford to to fuck up. Right. And the reason I say that is because my mom and Pancho, my mom, and grandma and Pancho my family both all invested so much in me, not money not time, but emotional their emotional what they gave me emotionally, you know, to to be what I became. I couldn't afford to mess up. Couldn't I couldn't do it. So you know, when when when I go back, and I say, well, did you have fun? I had a blast at a blast plan at a blast traveling. I had everything was great. But there was always that little switch, you know, in my mind that said, okay, twelve thirty time to go one o'clock. It's time to go. You can't. Nope. No more that. No, none of that you can figure that out later. But. Wow. You'd always a that's what impression that you put on yourself. Well, yeah. But I mean in a way that probably helped me become what I became right now. Do you remember when your mother played you when she was on the court with you because you played right? Oh, yeah. Did she try her damnedest and would not ever was? She just one of those that would just like I'm gonna be into. I couldn't beat my mom till I was sixteen. Why was that good that good? And how old was she at this time when she's still beating you. Well, I don't know if she wanted me to say that. Right. Well, you know, she she was you know, she she'd been through it. I mean, I was sixteen you know, my brother, you know, seventeen. And so how did you react? Did you? Did you come home? Like, dad beat mom. I I went up. I remember going up, my mom and apologize. Why? And I say, you know, sorry and in. No, she goes, that's that's the dab in waiting for waiting for you to do that. Now, you know. So I mean, how many parents say that, you know, most of the parents would be, you know, you lucky, you know, you know, my mom was my mom is did nothing. But encourage me along the way Rob's moving the the the the blind see above. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect washing as better. Whether this just happened, Robert producer. This is what happens in a podcast, Jimmy, sometimes the lighting changes in someone's house that we're not a studio. Would you still got the shape? Thank God for the. I don't want you to be washed. Oh, if I take them off, I wouldn't be able to see anything. I'd be like your poppy. I'm sorta like with reading I need these glasses to read. But, but yeah, I mean, it's a it's it's been I've had such a ride Michael, you know, all the very beginning. It's been such a right? Even now, I mean, my my kids both of my kids are are grown Brett's thirty eight aubrey's going to going to be thirty three and, you know, been been married for thirty eight years. And and what I mean, just, you know, but when when tennis stopped I mean, I didn't I didn't feel like I was struggling to walk away from tennis. Right. You know, I I had other things to do. You know, I had still had kids to raise in, you know, family to be a part of and other things to do business wise, and, you know, so my transition even though I missed it because it will never be any replacing that ever nothing ever to pronounce that. So anyway, is it's been it's been a great ride, and it's still going. On I love. So so, and I like this is why it's called inside of you. 'cause I really want to get to. I'm getting to know you and how this all happened. So ponchos teaching you you're out in California. All these things are happening and things picked up pretty fast after that. Didn't they? Yeah. I I started growing into my game. You know, I was fifteen sixteen and and you know, around poncho and starting in my game started to get better. I started to get a little stronger a little bigger it. So, you know, my mom gave me a game that I could grow into an and grow with an it would come right along with me. So you know, when I was seventeen sixteen seventeen I started, you know, winning some some important matches at that point in your life. How did you take losing where you got a guy that through a racket where you guy that said guild Focke, you just just infuriate you get away on you for a long after the game. No, you let it go. Yeah. I mean, you know, I didn't I didn't take it. Well, you know, and but. I always I always knew that you know, that you know at the beginning. I my mom was looking for me to win. When I was ten twelve fourteen years old. She was looking for me to win when I was twenty four years old. You know? And you know, when when you know when it mattered. I think that's a lot that chain. You know that the the parents today, I mean, they see so much money in so much. What goes on in the game today that they want their kids to come out? You know when in win from the beginning. I mean, it's it's good because you you're gaining confidence. But you know, it's a little different it would fourteen than twenty four. Yeah. You know, what Pancho gave me? I mean, he gave me so much. He basically taught me life. I mean, you gotta remember I came from a little town in Illinois, you know, and and he was teaching me more than than just you know, the game and being around the game. It was you know, the whole outside the game and dealing with people. And and figuring out, you know, you know, not only on the court, but off the court, you know, how to survive, and, you know, which was you know, which was pretty fun. Did he ever tell you? Hey, you can act like that. When you mess up. Hey, you can't yell like that your mom ever say. Hey, Jimmy's, you know, it's not. Tennis. And you just said that's one thing. I'm not gonna listen. My my mom made me who I was in poncho may be who I was. They didn't make me who I became that was my doing, you know, so I'm not blaming anything right or wrong that I did I up taken full credit for all of it. The winds and the loss. Did did they yes they did at the beginning? But you know, that that was such a part of me because it was it was my own. It was my my own personality, my own attitude. You know, if I would have kept that in. I would have lasted so long right implode it. Yeah. For sure I I'd have been out of the game early. And it may be that would have pleased a lot more people. But you know, but thank you. But you know, but but for me to let that out into do it, you know? But like I said earlier, I mean, we we there was no rules back. Then you know, we were walking fine lines in, you know, if we could get by with something, we did, you know, intimidation, you know, arguing with the empire. You know? Nobody standing up for us. We didn't have a a head coach or you know, a team captain or anybody in a looking out for us. We were looking out for ourselves out there, you know. So if we were going to stand up for us who was you laws you loved at an early age applause people there for you people feeling that crowd with you. Did you just did that give you that energy? I liked the crowd. You liked. Yeah. Because yeah, I felt for me as an actor. It was always like I wanted instant gratification. I wanted to be when I said a joke. I want laughs when I said something I applauded I want if feeds you makes you better gives you more confident it strengthens you and it's probably there's some unhealthy aspect of it. No buyer in it, the you know, they're in. It up there in it. And they're you know, they know what you're up there doing no matter. What acting or tennis are what music or whatever in? And they they wanna they wanna get as involved as you, do, you know that that's why you know, this happens, you know, so that they wanna be a part of it. They want to be drawn in you know, an and to sit there and not just sit there to say, they're they're watching a movie, or what are they they wanna be sucked into something special. You know? And and you know, it the more they gave me the more. I wanted to give them, you know. It's funny. Rodney Dangerfield one of my favorites time and he doing Caddyshack. It was his first movie. He's like, I'll tell you. I don't know. He does something. I don't know what the line was an afterwards. He kinda goes into corner. That's pretty good, by the way, really Jimmy. All right. He goes to the corner. And he's looking upset. He's shaking his head. And the the guy that was the Italian guy in Caddyshack. But I don't remember his name comes up and goes, hey, Rodney, you'll k- know what's mad because I'm bomb in here. I'm bombing. He said, what are you talking about? Nobody's left, and I tell you, nobody's laughing. They can't laugh because of the microphones. It's a movie, right? He and understand because he was so used to instant they love me right laughs, the an energized him, and there's something. So I had to learn that the first time I did a TV show or movie or whatever I was trying to be funny. No one's and I kind of felt like better account, another take. No, it was great. What do you mean? We laughed at the monitor interesting. I couldn't fuck in here. You laugh louder. We can't right? But there's something about that. There's something weird about that that, but that's all about performing though, don't you is that the reason you you go out there to try to reach that that, you know, something special. Yeah. Or perfection or? Whatever to to get the the feedback if they're not clapping, you're doing something wrong is wrong. Right. Right. But you did something that no one ever did. I mean, when you watch those some of those matches in the ninety one comeback at the US open, you watch these I like in just watch the SPN thirty for thirty. And I was just like I've never seen tennis crowds like that. It was just like people, and you say give them what they want or whatever. And it was. You were like part of them. They felt like they were part of Jimmy Connors like somebody said on the show that they felt like they helped him win that match. I was there. I was part of that feeling people say, well, I mean, that's that's that gave me what I worked for for twenty years. You know, right, then and there, you know, to to get to get that noise in that stadium. You know, that was twenty thousand people sounded like sixty you know, and and offer, you know for them, but they they weren't applauding a shot. They were applauding performance. It, you know. I mean, they they it was, you know, an at I I haven't gone back in washed a lot I did watch a few quips of you know, that that the that open occasionally, right, but but I would watch that every day, but I've been no. But Michael, I didn't even watch tennis. I watched the crowd. You know, the crowd was what you know. What was what interested me, you know, an in? And they were clapping, you know, when when the tennis was still going on, you know, you know, in in their involvement that gave me everything I worked for right there. Now people out here like, you know, listening and watching this was you know, when you hear Jimmy Connors. I mean, you think tennis legend, it's not like everyone knows about the ninety one US open, you know. But don't forget that Wimbledon when you beat McEnroe and eighty two and don't forget the eight majors. Don't forget all these. You know, do you know, how many matches you played I played a lot of Matt get number. Give me a number fifteen hundred fifteen thirty five. How many wins at twelve hundred oil fifty six K eight yet over eighty two percent winning percentage? I mean, it just baffles me and you look at this. And you're like, you know, a grand slam grand SIMS like, you know, for those people who don't it's it's one of the majors. Right. That's one of the four main make Straton the French US open and Wimbledon, right, right? And the one that you didn't win and you could have won it probably a couple times all four in one year. Which is how many times has that been done? But you didn't plan the French Open. And why not well, I mean. You know, a lot of people bring that up, and and and one Australia writes back, then you went Australia. Then you're the only one that can win the grand slam. Then the next one was the French. And that was the first year the team tennis came in. And team tennis was something new that was brought in by Billie Jean King where I played for Baltimore. So there was Baltimore and Pittsburgh and New York and then Los Angeles in there was like a Houston. There was ten or twelve cities around the country that that would bid on a team and and for their players. So it was a first year, and you know, as early in my career, and and I was still like seventy five seventy four before. And I was still looking to make money. You know, I didn't have any so trying to figure out ways to to make money and they offered me a good contract to to play team tennis. So plus it was it was matches leading up to Wimbledon and the French and all. That which would have been good for me. So all that aside the French decided that team tennis wasn't good for the game in itself. And and that that was going to keep guys from playing in the major tournaments and so forth, which for me was just the opposite. I was going to play the majors and use adas as matchplay and getting in shape and all that. So anyway, they decided to keep me out piss you off. You know, so many things happen then. Yes, it pissed me. It did. And and, you know, you know, go back, and whether I would've won the French or not, you know, it's it's almost a it's a better story that went on in one Wimbledon and the open and the story is now wish it who knows Conners go to won the grand slam. You know, who will never know. Now, it was you know, then lawsuits come in. And you know, and all that. And and it was nothing about that that I enjoyed that was one part of my career that that really wasn't. You know, a fun part? I had a manager. Who was you know, took over that did a lot of things it was his Bill Reardon reared Ilori at who you know, who was probably the greatest marketing and promoter. I'd I've ever met Don King of tennis beyond Barnum and Bailey before Barnum and Bailey, and he could he could sell sell you anything. And how did he sell you for him? And he sold me that was the whole thing. How he sold me. You know, when I was first coming up, Michael. And I walked in one of his tournaments. I I don't I I don't even think I was a pro yet in and I walked into do a cocktail party, you know, for him and the sponsors in and as I walked in. I I had no credentials. No anything, and he says the one and only Jimmy Connors, you know, Dom looking around saying know, where is he, you know, I I have no credentials to to warrant that where. But that was his starting of building me know, my reputation in in in what I was you know, what an is point where you start believing that. All right. Like, I am the Jimmy kite. Then you're right. Then you're like, I am Jimmy Connors. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know for him to say that you know, he he had to to see something. So, you know, okay. I'll take it. You know? So then you, you know, then all of a sudden you start winning a few matches. And then all of a sudden you start believing that and you're right district believing. What was the first match where you're like? I'm gonna like, wow, I'm somebody. This is the one that now it puts me on the map was seventeen years old. I was playing in the Pacific southwest, which is right here in L A at the loss, Los Angeles tennis club, and I'd gone through the qualifying won five matches in the qualifying to play the great, ROY. Emerson L. I I found I had all this later, but he had just come from the US open where he was in the semi-finals, I think which is a grind. And and so he travels to to play this young seventeen year old kid in the first round. Who was you know, looking for any way to you know, to get a win. I go out and I play my beating six four and the third on a side great sets. No, no, three sets three three sets and on the side court at the tennis club. I had poncho watching the match, and and his son Spencer who was was my good friend. And by the time, we got into the match you couldn't find a seat. And I and I say that because that's the first really the first feeling of an event that I was a part of which was that that kind of match of that importance where you know, that that people were actually clamoring, you know, to come into to to watch him to get a view of. And that's the one thing to Pancho told me after he says. You like that you d like what happened there? And I said what the win, you know? And I said, you know, I'm going out my arms or raised. And you know, I just be ROY. Emerson you know. And and and then he says I'm not talking about that. I said I'm talking about the crowd. I said I said that was unbelievable. That was unbelievable. He says you wanted again, he says go win tomorrow night. You know, said okay. You know? So right, then right. Then I started getting the feeling of of what winning felt good that winning felt good is right and the crowd and the noise energy and all this. And that's what you're seventeen years old. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, I got this. Well, I didn't have it. But but I was getting it you're getting. Yeah. It was you know, things started to go in the right direction. And that was really the first time that I felt that that I could actually start competing against the guys at the top radio were you at that age pretty fearless. You didn't care if someone was to get in your head a little bit like this guys. This. I gotta watch out for this. Is there any kind of strategy? No, I, you know, the the bigger they were the better win for me. You know, that's the way I looked at it right now, whether whether I did or not be because when I was first coming up like I didn't have any pressure. You know, if I if I wasn't able to go out and free wheel it in, you know, just cut loose and play Mike on tennis. When with no pressure win. Would I be able to write, you know? So you know, I I was I was looking to play you know that. But then on the other hand we're talking about Bill Reardon. Here was his genius to he kept me kind of quiet. You know, I played his tour a number of months of the year. So that I wasn't just always in in the the the jaws of the greats. You know, I go and get some experience in I matches. I being good shape. And you know, I get some wins. So my confidence would go up. And so that when I went out and I played against the best. You know, I I wasn't you know walking in lacking. Anything wrong, you know, and I was eager eager to plant. So I mean, I was I was brought up by some kick-ass women, raise crazy genius. You know, you know that. And I'm saying that with my mom to my mom or grandma. I mean, you know, they had to be crazy to think some kid from a little kid from Illinois could could eventually become the best player in the world. It'd be crazy to think that then to be crazy to termi over to cigarroa. And he was crazy for taking me. I don't know. So I mean, it's been it's unbelievable. I mean, what a store so much fun. It was unlike along the way now we're in the seventies. And you're starting to build a name for yourself. And like what about dating like what about dating what about parting? What were you more disciplined where you weren't a drinker? You weren't you weren't doing any drugs. You were just so focused. You never got into that stuff. I I didn't know I'm being California's got to be hard. It's that's all there was all here. And it could have been you know, what I was hanging around UCLA and and. And then eventually went there for a year, and it was available. But you know, like, I said I couldn't afford to mess up. You know, I owed people you were the guy that went to dinner and about nine thirty. So I gotta go home. No on a train in the morning. No, I wasn't. I was quite like that. But, but, but I, you know, like, I said always had that switch, you know, that that knew that that when it was time to leave, and I was pretty good pretty good. It's staying away from the trouble. I was pretty good at the first moment where you said something come came out here that you hadn't seen before. Or your coach end seem before your family hadn't seen like ferocity that energy that sort of like just that that Jimmy Connors that everybody came to know that you never knew him was going to happen. It's unpredictable. When was the first time that's something came out. We were like you surprise yourself. How like you lost your shit? You lost control. You scream. You did something and you then you were okay with it. I want how did that evolve. Was that just a slow evolution of? The PI wasn't amid just didn't all of a sudden happen. I mean, you know, my at my soi wasn't gonna use this were rage. Hey, let's get going to use that my rage came from an early age. I I had I had a lot of it. And tennis was very good for me because of to to get rid of that. Right. And and and then, you know, as as I as I use that I could push myself further and push myself harder because of that. But then it also caused me trouble as I got older, you know, on the court, and and you know, some of the situations I got in because of that rage. But on the on the other hand without that. I don't know if I would have been viewed of as far I I don't think I would fidget ever get mad at yourself. Oh, getting at losing yourself. Oh, yeah. Like, did you ever just like you ever have a good cry? Jimmy Connors, ever have a cry. By now, there's no crying in sports for me. That's Tom Hanks said that but I didn't take that from him. I there's no crying in baseball, Jimmy or tennis. No. I didn't I told you before I crossed the line it. I probably had more fun crossing the line than than anybody. Yep. To be able to control that rate sometime, I couldn't sometimes I just couldn't Gloria grandma or a pond show ever say he might have lost it a little bit at night. Oh, yeah. I you know, that you get mad when they set it like, well, I was right. I was never wrong. You know, I've been criticized for saying that, you know, but, but for me everybody has their own thing to get them to to where they want to go, you know, and like I said when I sat down I'm taking full credit, right and wrong. Yeah. All the good. No the ball. You see is what you get though. Yeah. That's all you have been like that that hasn't changed. No, no. This is who I am. I'm not perfect. Right. Right. And the the end result is like going back. Then you know, there was there was nobody like that. While McEnroe is a bit of a hothead. Yeah. But he came after he came after right? You know there. There's guys that are bad boys. You know, you ever say that to him you ever say, you're copying may. I started this shit. Well, there was there was there was nostalgia and Connors. And then there's wanna be bad, boys. Right. You know, and and in Obita, but if you're going to do it don't apologize for it. You know, go and do it and take the and take full credit, right and wrong and the interests at that created, you know, that's what brought in the hockey fans, you know, in in the basketball fan. That's you know, they they didn't wanna come see guys play in white. You're I told you that they wanted to see guys going at it that you ever throw a punch in a tennis much. No. Did you ever come close me and MAC had some good times? You know, some good you think he's a tough guy. I think he can sure I think he can had if you guys went at it youth would have been a good scrap. I'm glad and never went there. Right. You know? But, but yeah, I think it would have been fun. And I think he I think he thinks the same thing which was which is even better. What was the first moment that when you the first time you played each other. Did it start right? Then I had everything he wanted Almira. She's Irish I was number one in the world. He wanted to be number one in the world. I was number one US he wanted to be number one the US. My my return in my my one game was totally opposite of his. He was a certain volume. So we clashed at everything, you know. And and the first time we play was in the semi finals of Wimbledon. He qualified got to the semi's, and I played I played him in the semi's Bateman four sets. You know, right. Then I knew he was he was my competition. I knew that, you know. And how old were you at this time Seattle was seventy seven. So I had to be twenty six when he was eighteen he was eighteen twenty five twenty six, and he was what was the worst thing he ever called you that really pissed you off? Off on the court. I don't ever say old, man. Even though you're only that's cold out. You're twenty six you're not that old. But no, I Don, it's you we just we just combative. Yeah. We just went at it in. And but that's what made for that rivalry. You know, our rivalry was not soft that that was, you know, the Lakers, and the Celtics, you know, Connors McEnroe, you know, and and now malaise, you know, that they've got great rivalries. But you know, it's tough for me to ever think that MAC would have hugged me after a match hit just tough for me to think that you know, or vice versa. You know, these days guys today there is just different. Right. You know? And and it I'd like that you know, I'd like to have that kind of rivalry with him. Because it brought out the best in me. But I was at a stage Michael where things that happened over the course of my career, they'll every time I walked out there. I felt like these guys would rather beat me than. You know than anything, you know, which was you know, to me what a compliment. Yeah. Did you did you feel like you wanted was her party you part of Jimmy Connors every match he played I wanna get under his skin. I want to piss them off. I wanna fuck with. This guy's head. I wanna psychologically beat him. I wanna physically beat him. I wanna fuck and beat the sky. Anyway, I can't was it always like that. Couldn't have said it better myself, a real. But it's, but it's true because you have to impose you know, what you have on them because it's not only that match because you're going to play these guys over and over and over again. So you gotta try to figure out a way to never let them forget the last time, you know. So, you know, for me, whatever that took right on our Jeter, and I've been and I've been criticized for that, you know, for having that kind of attitude. Sure, you know, but you know, you know, what the hell like you said, you know, I am what I am before ninety one. You had an injury you're out partic- what was happening like in the late eighties before that tournament were were you having a lot of problems now hurt your. I didn't you know in in ninety ninety your risk missed a lot of games. I've missed a whole year miss the whole year, and you had how many straight US open appearances before that. I don't I don't know twenty straight US open appearance thing eighteen nineteen something like that. So ninety was the first time you missed it. Yeah. And the ninety one you're recovering from this. You're thirty almost thirty nine at this. Yes. And you're like, what was he thinking one last hurrah? Most guys would have been like I'm done well that for sport like that was so much conditioning so much, but I was done. You know, my my I blew my wrist out in my my very first match of nineteen ninety and every doctor I went to told me says rest, you'll be fine. You know, take take a little time off take a little time off, you know, so two weeks turned into six weeks turned into three months turned in. You know? So, you know, and then I tried to play a little bit along the way I was getting frustrated, you know, see if it worked. So I went to Europe in in September the into September of ninety and my wrist was getting no better. I went to play to tournaments, and I was shooting up my wrist to to see if I could play in a Dorrell's or with steroids pain, or whatever too. So I wouldn't feel anything. So I came back did no good. And I got a call from a doctor friend of mine in Santa Barbara in. And he says he said h hey what what's going on? I said jeeze doc just got back from Europe. He he said how to go. I sit out not so good. He says you're finished. And and just like that just like that. And I went, you know, I just got off my ex-girlfriend Jimmy. I've been there to have been there. And I said doc, he says he says you come see me come see me tomorrow. We're gonna either figure this out or not. So I went in the next day. He opened up my wrist, my wrist had exploded. So he had to rebuild my left wrist. My good, wrist and. And it wasn't the kind where you knock me out to do it. So he did this thing in in on you feel in this Shinno wasn't feeling anything to sing on my arm where there was no blood flow in in. So my arm was like it was asleep. And so I'm talking to him, you know, all while he's doing and he's telling me what he's doing. And I'm going. Well, how's that hell I'm digging in your philanthropy? Having we're going on the you know, he's looking back. I mean, the reason I did it because I didn't want to be told and I had to stop right anyway to make a long story short. Amana cast for I don't know twelve weeks after that I start out like a beginner and my kids were throwing me balls. And and I did meet it come on. Really? And and so. And then when I went back into play a tournament I was treated as a as a newcomer as a beginner also in that pissed me off. So anyway to make long story short, I go, and I play the French. I get to the third round of the French get to the third round of Wimbledon, which is really not the you know, the results I was looking for. But my goal was was the US open. And that if I could get in shape and use the four or five months before the US open to to get my game and ordering and get my strength back. And if my wrist held up, the new US open was where I wanted to desert certain you have to qualify for the US Open his or something you have to identify gave me a wild card in into the US open. So as a wild car or had that work. So it was just by chance by by lock. They got into the tournament. No. I mean, I I was ranked out of ranked one hundred sixty or whatever. And I think it was one seventy four. Yeah. So so then so they I asked for a wildcard to to let me in the tournament. You know, I'd wanna think five times. So hopefully, they would have given me. A and they did which was great. And but but I wasn't seated. I was just throwing in the draw, you know, and and for me, I I always wanted to be afloat her a dangerous floater in that. And I was now all of a sudden it it almost thirty nine. I was a dangerous floater, but not only that. But there's something to be said about like if a pitcher goes into a the seventh inning in this his team's losing three nothing or five nothing. It's not so much pressure is losing he's pitcher your teams. He just in other words, you'd probably throw your best in. He strikes out the side maybe gives his team some momentum and they start winning. I don't know if that's a good analogy or not. But what I'm saying? Is you really as much as a competitor? You. Are you probably didn't have a lot of pressure on you because no one thought you had a fucking chance probably win right now. That's right. Exactly. Right. You know, and and from from my I didn't know where you know were. I was what I was feeling what a until I walked out onto the court when they made the trauma go. This is the interesting thing, you know, I get a call that says the. Ause made. And I said, oh good. You know, and I never cared about the draw never looked at the door or whatever. And they said you play McEnroe, you're thinking, John, I think in she's John. He's not playing anymore. You know, what the only his brother, Patrick, you know, and I'm going oh my God. So, you know, go out and play against him. And and down to such a love and a break as you said Salah people have left there's four thousand people. I love this story four thousand people all come down the real fans. Right. The thing holds twenty thousand people four thousand people gathered around people in the shitty seats are now in the good seats, and they're watching and it's now like two in the morning or some shit, right? And you've turned it around. Yeah. They they stayed until the end they stayed till about one thirty in the morning. And when was the moment, we said, I'm in his head, man. I got this. I just got a focus. So once once I got back in into the third set, and I was down a break and almost two breaks. And and once I got back into that. And things things got even you know, there's. Things that happen in a match. Whether it's, you know, one call or a noise or a clap or something that that you feel turns it around and and one set did, you know, my my confidence and everything even though I was still down to is just lifted and at see his shoulders kinda slumped a little bit. And he says, you know, this match should be over. I should be in the in the shower should be out getting something eat this an old, man. You know, I felt I felt everything that he was saying in my head, you know, so I'd also, but, but once I got through that, you know, I kind of took that as business as usual, you know, that you know, that was down two sets. I was lucky I got I got in a good grind and was able to win that match. But the next day I got up early couldn't sleep. I got up early went practiced in and in Boris Becker. I was on the third court, and he he came from the first court down to the third court and shook my hand and says that that that was some some play in. Last night. And I'll never forget that because you know for him to come and do that. I said Jesus something might happen there. You know, something good happen there that you know, for Boris, you know, and I'm prince force. We've been friends for the gives you more confidence young. Yeah. I said, geez. You know, salsa. I'm kind of starting to question myself. What happened there last night, you know, but but the thing about it is from that point on then I I was I was in the middle of that hurricane. I was in the I I didn't I didn't really feel you know, what was going on around that whole. And then you beat Michael Schapper shapers. Yeah. And that was pretty easy ill-will. I won my next two matches in straight-sets straight-sets. You know, when people are going what what's going on here, the something special happening? Well, it was that was good because I played almost probably four and a half hours with Patrick. So you know, a couple of times it was better. And then and then I played played my friend Aaron Krickstein and fourth round, which was now this is one of the he's about to go up two sets to none, right? Yeah. And. He had this thing. He knew that. He and again, you could see when I was watching the match. I could see that face. There was something he missed the shot that was one of the overheads that he would get ninety one hundred ninety nine percents. Always nailed and he missed it. And were you shocked where you absolutely shocked that he missed the shot. You never know. What's going to happen in a situation? Like that. You know? I mean, that's that's why the difference between number one and number one hundred is so such a fine line. Right. You know, the, you know, does does the Stefan Edberg who who won the tournament. Does he make that you know at that time? You know, are you know, who makes that and who misses it, do you think you would have won if Aaron who never does this. And he said like in the interview I watched he goes there was a ball. He said they called him. He goes what those out that would. And they overruled it. And they said it was in. And he said that was the biggest mistake because that pissed you off and the fire that was incited just everything just changed things. Did you're right lipped out, and then everything changed, right? And plus the crowd got into the exactly right. You know, the, you know, the the arguing and see I like that part of the game, you know, the ornamentation and the arguing and things because it gave the people the opportunity to see the real passion that you have. Yeah. For what you're doing? And in all I got criticized for that too. So, but, but that's okay. You know that that's all right. You know, so you, but but he's right. Once once that happened, you don't like him. There's a way there's my rage. That's it. You know, sometimes, you know, there's the rage that worked for me. Sometimes it worked against me. Sometimes it works for thirty nine years old. Gimme a break who. Well, that's kind of what I said. But it, but it was clearly clearly obvious. You just you lost it. I did. And it was genuine. It was just unadulterated just just came right at you. And that just gave you a new energy because you're probably tired after this is like a couple of matches in a couple of sets in right and probably gave you this adrenaline. Well, I mean, I I've never throwing a match or set or a game in my point in my life. And and when we were one set all in that that had taken so much outta me that I had let the third set go like you let it go. I did you know. For me. I was an obvious. Well, as obvious to me, you know, and I don't know if it was to to the strategy. It was it had to be because of if I would have given everything into that set and lost it. Yeah. You know about anything loan have anything left. So you said, hey, I know that if I just relaxed with us next set and take my time because they do say things like, you know, an interesting the towel sixty six touch it touch the towel you sprayed your knee. Got all these things you were taking your time. It was all deliberate because he played a fast game. Yeah. Yeah. He was wanna slowing down. Oh, yeah. I had to for me, you know. And and you know, I I had to kind of pride upset his rhythm some way. Right. You know? But, but, but I also, you know, new when I first came out with a we're we're friends, we practiced, and and you know, hung out and did a lot of things that you always beat them. I had a good record against him. Yeah. I did have a good record. But but I came out in thought that I could jump on top of him right away. And kind of steam rolling, right? And timid that didn't work and it didn't work. No. So in that took a lot out of me, you know, in watching that when you come back, and you beat creek steam, then I wash I sort of felt bad for him because it was like his coach dropped him. He ended up selling aquariums and teaching tennis. And he's very open about it. He was just very vulnerable or whatever. And they said Jimmy never called me. And I always thought really. Well, I think I think a lot more is made out of that. Then then should have been. I'm sure and the the reason being is because you know, after that, you know, my my regular tennis day days on the regular tour were over right? You know, and I played a little bit. But then I got involved in, you know, another business in and then I got involved with starting the senior tour should I have called him and stayed in touch with him. And thanks Chuck. Do you ever think about him? When today still the you know what I'm just going to give a call and say Hello. But while I'm down in Florida. I spent a lot of time down in Florida in Boca, and he's down there. Also. So we run into each other and you do run. Yeah. Okay. We had a match the last match I played in in out Nielsen I played against him at his club down in Donna, Boca Raton, Florida. And so he it you let them win feel bad L band leading you'll electric. China relent anybody bought an aquarium never let that happen. But never let anybody ever now. Maybe Brett not so not or Aubrey. Nobody no just won't let that happen. That can't I can't. That's why I don't play tennis anymore in buffalo. I won't do it. The next guy you play. Who was that Paul harvest set? Right. And I just want to talk about this. The lobs it always it's one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen because I how fast is his you're hitting these balls just to stay alive, and you're deep on your side of the court. Right. And he is right at the net. And he pounds us ball pry hundred miles an hour. Yeah. For all. He has to do out of a one of just nail one of those out of your reach and the whole rest of the matches is is different right? 'cause breakpoint right for two Sista lovely. I've never seen anything like this. He smashes the ball. I it was like God divine intervention, you you you hit this ball. Pops up again. It's another law right in front of his face his a whole court. He has he hits it again, and you recover, and then it goes and this happens four times in his one of the most you could hear that audience. The I've never I've never seen. It brought tears to my is really I told you I cry. I know. No, you don't fucking do can cried make it on my bed. Oh, no. No, no. It wasn't sexual. I sleep naked. And I was my dog. Was there offer your daughter? She's here, and I was just like oh my God. Spirit goal. It's a bucket miracle. Did you think it was a miracle for that to happen in a so many things had to be right for me? Let's face it. And yeah, was let's let's face it. And and to get the labs back. He should he should've put at least three of those away, you know. But he just didn't you know? He didn't get a good solid hit at it. And he gave me a chance to get it back. You know? But after all that, you know, the best part of it all was you know, I still had to make the shot. Yeah. You know to end the vacuum. And then you know to make that shot down the line. And and you know, and that that's when I heard that crowd for the very first time, you know, in twenty years after the after that in the way, they sounded. And and and what they were able to give me I finally really appreciated everything that that they had given me over that twenty years. I I'd never ever felt anything like that, Michael. And and you know, like, I said, you know, you I. Have done other things after my tennis's over. There's never anything to replace that moment like that. He's still don't cry. No won't happen. Did you cry? When Aubrey was born your daughter. Well, I that's about as close. You're you're begging for your say you want to hear the long one cry. Did I did I did honors? I must say, oh, listen, there's nothing. An and and I was in with for both my kids. And and I'm not one of those guys to go back and never say that you know, that that's the greatest thing that ever happened to me because I mean, even though it might be. But I've had you know, like I said before I've had such a ride to good raw. And by the way, you're still young. Yeah. I'm still gonna keep ride. Yeah. I'm coming to Santa Barbara one play some ping pong ship. I'll get a deep so play tennis at all for fun occasional. I'm terrible. So we could hit. I'll give you go. A I mean, I haven't played since I played with probably Andy Biviano in high school doubles. Well, I wasn't good dilemma. Okay. We can we can go out. We can have some fun. That's every here that. Yep. You're you're welcome anytime. And listen if you get through me, then you gotta take an opera. Good your daughters can play. Yes. She can play varsity tennis. Or they like that Scott. Don't touch. It will be the shit out. That's got a good serve does talking like my God. Oh my God. You coached. I coached all these people coached Roddick, you coached Maria Sharapova, how did your wife feel about you coaching this hot beautiful sexy? Young woman was she worried that Maria is gonna go for the older guy. Now, I don't think it it has nothing to work. How'd it doesn't freak how long been married thirty eight years thirty eight years and not once that you go Jimmy now, she's really beautiful. She was actually happy at times that I got out of the house was Maria easy to work with Andy was great to work with. Okay. Well, well, and he was good kid. Yeah. Had a blast with Andy. And I I was almost two years with him traveling and coaching him and everything and we had good success. Who's your favorite athlete fulltime? Well, you know, I gotta go back. Mohammed Ali number one. You know? And and go back to the time Wayne Gretzky, you know, craft skew the great one Joe Montana Larry Bird, you know, I'm gonna leave slur Burnham Indiana group. You know, then then you know, what what about Willie shoemaker? Oh, what secretariat what I love about? You the all the all the ships. Great. This is this has been the one of the best days of my life that may be ninety one US open for you. Now this pretty special. This is for me. This is really special. X this is and but the thing that made me the happiest was reading some of your tweets, and you're urinating finger Lionel Richie fan. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do we just went the other night to same at the at the Hollywood scene of Mike five eight times? Whatever Dino all the song. If I sang one would you know the words would you sing with me? I I gave up. My can you bring me like? Atari I gave up my singing career, but we don't have to really single, okay? Guy home, it we could croon it a home home along with you. This is our rebranding. My guitar. His amazing things odds of you're the best. All right here. We go. Because I love eighties. In tune. Stuck on? You gotta feeling down. He'd been Messori rule that I just can't lose. And I'm on my way. Needed a friend ready? And laugh feel about you be with you too. Here. Hear. Away. Mighty glad to stay. There you go. Why don't rich go? I'm going back into retirement after just for you. Boy, george. Oh, yeah. I mean, you like the same should we should go navy these concert. They still I'm friends with Richard Marx. None of my friends care, but I like hair, he's my buddy, you know, richer. Yeah. He and I went to see Lionel together. You're kidding. Yeah. That's unbeliev. We got a tweet them. We gotta get together and go see eighties concert. I do it. Do it. This is this has been. I mean, look having you on. I hope you'll come back. Oh, yeah. Invite me anytime. I mean this. I didn't look here's what's funny. I was so nervous about this freaking out this interview. I had fifteen pages of notes, and I think I look at it. Maybe twice good because it was the easiest guy to talk to. And you just you just so honest that it's just you say what she which you wanna say, let's say what you mean. Yeah. You know, you say, I'm I'm sixty five and I say that because I'm proud to be. I'm proud to be here. And. Been through a lot. I've done a lot. I've enjoyed it a lot. And and I don't have a have anything that. I look back no regrets no regrets that I say miss anything. Oh, I'm on. Visit every day. You still dream about being on the court. When I don't know. I don't dream about not a dream where you're not to cry. Or who are you John? I, but I, but I miss it there, and you know, to go out into to put your your name and your reputation and your game on the line every day. There's something about that that just the special if somebody said Jimmy are you the best tennis player to ever live? But would you say I mean, that's really not for me to say. But I will say this that if you if you say Jimmy, did you give it everything you had every time you walked out there. And you broke your back and bled for what you were doing. I'd say I was the best at that. That's what I'll say I was the best app because that's what I want is my legacy. You know, not the winning. You know, everybody wins, you know. And but, but I I went out there every time with the understanding that that, you know, that's that's what I love to do. And I wasn't afraid, you know, whether it was five minutes or five hours to stay out there and to play it into do it. And and to love every minute of it. So for me, you know, that's, you know, if people think somewhere down the road that a Connors was pretty good, a, let's cool. That's all right. But if you say Connors was a great competitor. Now, you're talking. Mr. Connors, it has been a pleasure being inside of you today. I wanna make sure there's room for the next time. Yes. Thank you so much as it's been incredible. What's your Twitter Jimmy Connors at Jimmy comes? We follow me you're on. They're really I'm gonna put you on her right now be Connors is gonna follow me. I'm doing it. 'cause 'cause I'm I'm going to tweet you and say win of my coming back. You can come back anytime. This is a blast. We could talk about anything. We could talk about eighties music. Let's have Richard Marx on air. All wouldn't that be something on my God that we're friends with Lionel Richie? Yeah. Yeah. Friends for for a long time, you know, who's your most famous friends Richie. You all you hear that guys old lex Luther all? Oh. Come on. I've had a ball you'd be so easy to talk to and he's been so much fun. I love it. Thanks so much with the with you.

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S2 E 16: Jimmy Connors talks tennis with Dennis

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S2 E 16: Jimmy Connors talks tennis with Dennis

"This is Dennis Miller option, your source of opinion stories in laughs from comedian and inactive est Dennis Miller and his guy Friday, Christian Blat, what's up Hiroshi? Let's light this candle who, ladies and gentlemen. Dennis nore. Welcome to the Dennis Miller option. I'm your host on a smeller shake it up little today. Joined by my my good friend, my hiking partner, and well, the all time leader in tournaments one during the open period of tennis, the great Jimmy Connors, JIMBO, what's up? My man. Good to be with you just saw you hour and a half ago, and we're back again. Jimmy, and I go hike, and he is the cutest little dog as Scotty. Now. He's a little schnauzer many snatcher, bogey. And it's so cute with bogie when we come back, and we're finished the haggling stand out front of Jimmy's pad for a second. And we're talking bogey comes and he's like eight inches off the ground. He's just tiny little guy, but you can tell he's got the whole guard dog mentality. So he'll run up and brace me. And you know, he looks up at me and literally I'll try to be he's friendly. It's not like it. Thanks, me or anything. But you can see he gets sated when I turn. And I go to the car I go. Okay. Okay. You got me. And then all of a sudden he's like almost like shooting his cups like he understands. He's done his job smaller stuff, or you know that. Well, indeed Jimmy is. Well, like, I said it's a funny to discover another level on a cat because I used to watch him just enjoy him from tennis perspective. And then I can see that. He's translated that sort of indefatigable -bility that you've got to kill me thing into his real life. Just is a strong guy, and he's got strong opinions. And when we talk in the morning, I find a cathartic because it's the opposite of wishy washy, but we ended up talking about tennis because God knows I've ever watched so much tenants in my life, and I'm always enamored of talking to him about it. Most people say they don't want to start at the beginning in these interviews, but I do because there's nowhere else to start man. You had a beautiful based orca off of with your mom, and it's funny. There's always a quartet of people in the book that are referred to it. It's mom and pop and it's a poncho, and it's to mom, and you know, it's it's a it's a pretty amazing. Explain this this group of people who has. Guided you through what is obviously one of the mount Rushmore tennis careers of all time. Well, first of all dentists, I mean, you know, my mom, and my they gave me everything I gave me life, you know. And and and then to come into, you know, an opportunity, you know, to be able to be around the tennis into play the tennis that I happen to take to it. But that grew, but I got to spend time with my mom, and my grandmother, and my grandfather, and and, you know, which to me was the most important that was my family, and my brother was playing tennis at that, Johnny, Johnny. Yes. And so it was really, you know, just, you know, something that as far as family goes was the most important, but I think my mom gave us the tennis to really get us away off the streets and to give us something to work work at it. And to try to get good at maybe get a college education somewhere along the line. But you gotta remember back then no money. So why was I really gonna play tennis? You know to to try to get good. You know, and and that wasn't my mom's idea. Well, I want you to get good. And and I want you to go out and make a lot of money on this. You know, get good get along the way, you know, grow. If you can't get better. And then see where tennis takes you just love the fact she passed on what she was good at. Yeah. I just read Jimmy's autobiography recently, it's called the outsider. Great read, folks. And I had no idea and I call her his mum. I get bring myself to look because it seems to flip. But your mom was a hell of a player when she was. Yeah. She was she was the the best in the Missouri valley, and and her mom, my mom was was quite a player herself. And she was self taught. And then she taught my mother, so I'm third generation. But yeah, she traveled and played Ponsa. Girl was great friend. Bobby Riggs was a great friend. Pauline betz. The the great players of, you know, the women players are the day were all her friends. And you know, she was. You know, even till the day. She died nobody outside of her poncho cigar to people that absolutely love tennis, more than anybody. I've ever been around and and even up until the day she died it was on. It was it was quite an upbringing. When Jimmy says to mom, you have to explain the the vernacular there, but that's closer where with your grandma. It's my second mom, you know, if my mom was out teaching and she did most every day to to supplement the family's income. And so my grandmother my to mom was feeding her sandwiches through the fence. But also taking care of my my brother, Johnny and myself also along the way, so that she could make all that possible to it was it was a really from the very beginning. Whether you like it or not it was a great team. You know, but back then, you know, team did meet anything not like it does today. It was you know, try to make everything possible. So that we can do it. We really liked to do and, you know, play in the tennis back, then Dennis was much different. You know, there was no indoor clubs and great facilities. You know? It was brought up on a current. When I read about how you guys have the Haslett, go armories and a half and playing on wood floors. But. That's what honed my game by game that way at lake it early, brother. Early. We've had that. Jimmy or is the ticket early coming up off the court so fast. If it got in onto your dead because you guys were playing on linoleum essence, right? You know, the spins and everything would just take the ball so quickly. So, you know, the the days of now that where the guys play so far behind the line growing up on the way. I did if I'd played that far back. It would have been non-existence. Now, it was it was a great education. Great upbringing. Well, I I love that. The an believe me folks, this blows holes in every misnomer where they've ever labeled somebody a mother's boy because you are lucky or use stepped up to that like full throatedly. Of course, you are. She was can you? Imagine your mom champion like that. I always get such peace of mind off that that you had those two in your corner. Yeah. Well, you know back then it was criticized quite a bit too. You know, as it's always okay for your dad, you know, to to take Wayne Gretzky out, and you know, get him on the ice with the hockey stick Joe Montana. Anna's dad throw football with him. But for some reason, it wasn't okay. For Gloria counters to teach your son how to play tennis and I was taught her game woman's game. You know, very, you know, very easy. No frills, very it'll compact, and you know, one two it wasn't any excess motion in the game. And then and then to have that game come out and to play against the best players in the world and win was. Well, listen, the beauty the beauty of playing a woman's game that eventually led to the most feared return shots in the history. That tennis up to that point is beautiful. I mean, that's a that's a long strange trip. But I'm telling you when people came in on you if they added in the wrong place back in or head. It was coming back like laser. So it might have started a woman teaching boy, but eventually became the unlikeliest power game. You're not that big a cat a lot. My my mom was was nobody to mess with and I say that very respectful. But I mean towards my game, you know, she knew how she wanted me to play and and she stood along with my grandmother on the court, and and told me how to hit the ball in what to do. And and if if I did it wrong, she stopped me, then she didn't wait until the end of the session, Joe because you you you forget, you know, so she she made sure that it was in my mind. She says now you did that never never criticize me never never shot me down. But always said now you did that. Okay. But if you do it this way, right? It might be better. You know, I it was in everybody thought I was pushed into tennis tennis, tennis tennis. So you know, for me, I took to it. And and and wanted to be around it. So I was like a sponge, Sean, everything, right? I soaked up everything that they've been when Johnny was the older one. Right. You would sit there and watch a right? I was second. I got to play second which was fine. That's in. That was always fine with me. Because I I got I. Learn just as much by listening is is I did by actually playing and and you know, was when my brother stopped thirteen I think, and it's not that he didn't quit really loving tennis because you know, tennis's life now in teaches and enjoys it. But when he stopped, you know, it was kind of, you know, he was my my gauge, you know, if I could keep up with my brother or beat my brother than jeez, I was I was improving, and you know, when he stopped and went on and did other things, and you know, kind of took away a good gate truly. Well, you can hear the bass Jimmy hat, folks. I mean, it's it's sorta like the Waltons with a two handed backhand. That's I mean, very is. So it's so loving that. I always think wow. What a safe harbor, and then when you mix into owned, by the way, I always admired that your mom in the book. I'm listen title. No Jimmy's mom, but I kind of know her because she's a part of him. But I love how Dopp table she was when you first went to the you were so little the to Hannah back was sort of you had to write. The the racket, and she kind of I said, I don't know about that, Jim. And then eventually she said, all right. Let's that adaptability. Is kind of interesting to me a lot of people when I was growing up. You know, he's got to you got to change that you got to get rid of that. And I got bigger and was able to hold onto the racket maneuvered a little bit better. And she says, you know, this is working this is working too bad. You know, as they tried to teach me, the one handed back, and I just kept going back to put my other hand on there. And there's good and bad about the two headed back in dente. You know, it's it's great for power. It's great for direction. But on the other hand, I mean, if you're not moving you can't get there. You know, you're you have little less reach. But you know, the for me the good outweigh the bad and turned out to work pretty well. For the movement comes from there's two mom and then two moms us. Is pop and he he trains you to your footwork was well, he was boxer. Right was. Yeah. So you had trained me that way. Yeah. So your foot work Advair? You got there early as you needed to get there to hit that thing. Right. Yeah. He was he, and I say this respectfully and in in some ways harmful, you know, he was tough. And but you know, I knew that if I walked off of there, and he was even a bit satisfied. Then I must've done something. Right. But the way he trained me. And and you know, I was never in the gym was was always on the court. And I was on a track are doing something, you know, outside. I was never inside doing it. But I remember days Dennis when when I'd start jumping rope. And and I you know, I'll Pat myself on the back yard was pretty darn good at it. And and and I'd be jumping in. And I said how much today Paul? Five minutes, and and he'd be walking around, and and you know, kind of going through his own thing and talking to you. So now, why don't you do, you know, why don't you try to get the ten or fifteen away, and we just keep going and just keep going, and he'd be trying to distract me. You know? So that if I'd miss I have to start over, you know. And so, you know, now, I'm trying to listen to him talk. And I'm trying to pick up my face. So he was teaching me two things at once is teaching me, my footwork, and he was teaching me concentration all at the same time without me, even knowing it, you know, so that to me that was the best part of by family upbringing of playing this game and getting into it was that they gave me a such a great opportunity and a chance to get better. And I didn't even realize it. Yeah. You know from day to day. It was never work. It was always so much fun going with them. And and being a part of the day, you know, popular, even the jump roping session open ended the Sunday gray that translates directly in the alright fifth-set. Let sat. Oh up. I'm ready to go, brother. My my grateful through was letting me jump roping walkaway for a second and not told me when it ended. So if we gotta go all night. Let's go right, right. To me winning six two six two was always great, you know, but winning seven five or seven six v or ten eight and a fifth or whatever, you know, so much more is brought into the game because everybody hits the ball. Well, everybody's a great player in my opinion. But it's that one little something that that allows you to to be able to look across the the net to your opponents say I've got this on you. I know for sure, you know, and I'm sure guys looked at me and said the same thing to me many times, you know, but there's always, you know, I never got tired. You know, when when the fifth came along, I wasn't gonna play less aggressive. I was gonna play more aggressive. You know? So I mean to system what what gets into your mind, and you know, an, and and, but I was always good at finding a reason to push myself. Just that little bit more. You know from a lot of things that happen during my upbringing to you, not even you know, even to my modern day when I was when I was still playing at the top and was good to be able to push myself just a little bit further. Well, then we're talking by the way to Jimmy Connors. And folks, I, you know, Jimmy always soft sells this, but in the open in the open era. There's nobody's won more tournaments in my man hundred nine maybe federal gets there. Maybe doesn't think he's eight or nine out. Once you're near forty over forty and not everybody has run at thirty nine thousand hopefully to me, God bless Fedor. But he still gotta get there seems like a good cat. But nobody has one more tornadoes in the open air than the man sitting across from me always admire that about him. And I'm telling you the drag that out of I read that. And I said what a fucked, and you tell me this. And yeah. It's it's not as living in the moment for a Jimmy. I love the fact that glory Connor Jimmy's mom at some point. She must've thought highly upon us Agoura from youth that she would take. She takes you to him for the Yoda thing sorta right? She she in poncho had a special relationship, you know, from from way back in the day, and I was fifteen and Pancho came through Saint Louis to play into some marketing for an exhibition only, and my mom took me over to to see him. And and she wanted to say Hello. So they got talking, and and I was standing with with my mom, and my grandma and looking at all and she looks up to punch us. He goes, you know, my son. Here's got some talent. You know, he's pretty good. You know, now, I'm thinking, oh my God. How how many times has Pancho Segura heard that, you know? But she heard it from Gloria Thompson, you know, that, you know, from back in, you know, the the days of special days when they were growing up in new each other, so well and all that. So she said she said, I'd like for you know, to try to get him to a certain point of of, you know, seeing what he can do in Pancho said send him out to me. And and so I remember going home that night. And my mom said, you know, what do you think would you like to go to California? And I said what times of the plane leave? Let's let's get on it and go do it. You know, I didn't wanna leave my brother. I didn't leave my home. I didn't want to leave my dogs. I'd I did want to do that. But to to get to where in and I was starting to grow a little bit get a little better and improved in. So for me to to try to get him better even to get into college. You know, I needed to make that move and pretty special. Well, I know it's a big leap from Belleville. And when you get outta LA. You're they're very brief time where you do get some home-sickness, right? But then you start driving around getting the lay of the lawyer and his kids at fifteen or six the pivots can happen. Pretty quickly. Go through you. Come back and say, okay. Let's you go from I want wanna go home to. Let's let's stay. Once I got the lay of the land. There was no going staying for sure, you know, growing up where I did was was special. It was and you know, I look back, and and I really like my midwestern upbringing, but but getting to California Dennis was, you know, and Pancho son Spencer is Ilya dear friend today might be cold this morning. And and you know, so I mean, he introduced me to his friends some, you know, some, you know, the empl- Dean Martin junior does your nose junior and in in a whole host of other friends and just kind of took me in right away. And you know, but you know, I still was and I remember Dino plane with Dino with the first couple of times, and you know, he called me, you know, corn bread, you know. And I you know, I kind of had to take that a little too heart. You know, you know, but it's, but it was he was the golden boy right in the middle of it. The old man's Dean Martin you look like him. He's going to be a flyer. He can hit the ball. He could play pretty good, Tennessee cut. And and you know, but. You know around the club. It was pretty good. But you know, getting out there and playing against the best different different strata. So the club and the promised land in a way turns out to be with Pancho little Pancho at the Beverly Hills tennis club. And then there's home sudden big punch. Jimmy. I'm trying to think you is fifteen sixteen year old boys sitting there and every famous cat, including the great Gonzales walks into the club. What is that like that that club back? Then was was a mecca of tennis anybody who came through California's air from labor to Rosewall to Emerson to Bobby Riggs to kansallis to Charlie Pasarell to Arthur ash. I mean, it was it was beyond and you'd walk in. You don't know who you'd see there? You know? So just hanging around you could you know, there's a game somewhere. Right. But but that was all because of of Pancho Segura was such an attraction such a draw his personality and his reputation and his game. And everything was you know, you walk in there. And it was never dull good kits going on. When tennis wasn't being played. That was the best part of the day. You know, go get your work out. We'll sit around and have lunch, you know, do that. But the the lunches, and and I mean, I go in in the evenings. And Pancho would always take a St.. Team afterwards. And and I hit some balls. And I go up while he was in the steam in stand there and talk to him about tennis. And you know, and I'm sitting there and my clothes, and he says, I think you'd better get out of your Jovian. But but I I wanted to psychedelic stuck at all really did you're right. So the great Gonzalez comes in. And at this point, he's little I must be close to forty or something. Oh, no. Well, when I first met he was younger he was about forty right? So anyway, he comes through and he's a anoints a young guy once in a while ago. Go hit with them, and you're sitting there, and the I don't know tell you you were just telling him that that story recently eventually is little says the big once you with my man here. Yeah. And you guys go out, and but you fall into place with each other pretty quickly. We did he's. For me to hit with him. He would hit with everybody. But me, but but I would always sit around a wash because he was such a an elegant player and his attitude just kind of fit right in with me. And you know, I love the way he approached thanks. We had different styles because he was six four big serve and volley player, but he moves so well and his groundstrokes for a big man back then were spectacular. So I I wanted to to just watch into see in how he would go about things, and we happen to hit it off. And and what he gave me, you know, little Pancho gave me so much. But big punch. Also, you know, gave me some some things that helped my game and to help my personality and to help my my fight on the court. And and the way I approach my game. So you know, if I can't learn from Pancho Segura Pancho Gonzalez, and that was my fault. It's pretty trippy. Blur man being on a hardcourt and Belleville with their mom and grandmom learning how to do it. And it seems like you're pretty. Quick trip. And all of a sudden you're in the belly of the beast like you said the hub of it all at the Beverly Hills tennis club. And you're probably thinking is this all real? But then punch makes it real real one day talking to you about the US open. Tell that great Gonzalez story. Oh, well, we I spent some time hitting some balls with him and playing with him. And and you know, he asked me one one year when I was seventeen I think as I was going to go to the open sixteen seventeen. And so yeah, I wanted to go try to qualify your junior. Davis. Davis cup. Right. And and so I said, oh good. You know, it comes back, and he says, well, I'm glad you're into the opening says because we're playing doubles there, and you should know. I I said we are. I said I'll I'm there for show. You must've been it was it was beyond. I mean, you know to to be throwing in. He was he was a no frills guy to me anyway. And you know, he I hope he saw something in me that he liked and because of our our friendship, I think he did. But you know, what he gave me was he gave me instant pressure. You know, whenever there was a big point. He told me to take, you know. And you know, what I'm said there were nine point different tiebreakers tiebreaker nine point when it got to four four until you until you told me to take it, and and and you know, which right away, you know, I'm throwing in there, you know, to to be a part of it what it's like to be under that kind of pressure where you know, one point can make the difference. And and you know, what a gift he gave. Yeah. I learned early. But it was also smart. He's he's doing the avuncular thing. The punch thing letting you take. But then you realize after you take serve twice at him descend. Just get it back. Just all of a sudden they go to get it back. That's like credit kill anything on an overhead. Right. He he was you know. I learned more from off the court from them all then then I did on. I mean, not that. I didn't learn on. But you know, I took from Rod Laver I took from Rosewall. I took from Gonzales. I took from everything I I would pick and choose what I like most that not everything about him. Wasn't great. But not everything fit into my game. Where my personnel. Right right clicking. Choose the cart comes of Lou. Same. And exactly. Yeah. So I was I came up at a time. When when you know tennis tennis was in a lull, and and the lull was we had so many loyal fans, you know, but only so many loyal fans. So we if tennis was a tennis was to grow into get in the football baseball basketball league of of importance and crowd appeal something had to change, you know, that had the spread out from the country club to the Hoi. Right. The regular folks exactly the same people who surround the whole at the Phoenix waste management open around the one those cats. That's where you got a that's the sweet spot. You gotta get it out to them. And and and you know, the my generation help that you know, we had we had characters we had charisma we had electricity. We had excitement, you know. But all that that we were trying to put into it. We got criticized. For. Yeah. That's the passage of time the dueled state guys who were great right for God's sake. Sues better, those ozzy's were great. But it's just a the new things here. Right. And they're going to butt heads. That's always going to repeat itself. You know, they got criticized myself nostalgia, Jeremiah's, you know, number of guys, you know, these these guys are bad boys in a we weren't bad, boys. We were just boys being bad. You know? So you know, it was just it was it was such a time because it was wild west, really. And then art show brought to that I read a couple of stories poncho. He might have been the best our at that. My friendliness doc- nasty was was pretty good at it. But Pancho was you might have been. Yeah, he was a full above that on or talking to the great Jimmy Connors and a good cat, man. Good people folks, you can trust me on this woman. I go out and talk with this guy every morning, probably four hundred seven five out of seven mornings. We find something to talk about. And I'm constantly the inspired by Jimmy's pragmatism. Let's say that. That's a big deal for me. Where do you? I win Jim. And we're not talking you're out with Pancho. But where's the first moment where you win a tournament? Go. Oh, I see. I can it's got to be that moment is Jacksonville. Do. I remember something like that Fort Lauderdale that was that was the first tournament I want when I turned pro. Oh was Jacksonville. And but but when I when I figured that that I was starting to make a move. And and my game was really go going to another level was I played ROY. Emerson the great Australian in in the Pacific southwest. And you know, you know, as I got older, and and was towards the end of my career. I understood what it was like to get older, and and to play somebody like me who would have killed themselves to to try to go about it and win and he came out after playing the US open the Pacific southwest in Los Angeles. And was that at the tennis club, Los Angeles tennis. Okay. Yes. And and and I I had to prequalify and qualify to play Roy Emerson in the first round. And everybody says, well, you know, Emerson place Connors, you know, and we started out on we played the poolside court. Never forget it Dennis. And I had poncho when Spencer in like three other people standing there watching and I happened. The win the first set. And after that, I mean, you couldn't get a seat around in the word went out. And and I won that match in three sets and and walked out of there that day and and said to set the poncho, I said, I'm I feel like I'm on my way. And and never forget, he took a me and Spencer to dinner, and he told me, right? Then he says, you may feel it you says, but but don't ever think you got it. You know that that you are on your way always strive to to be better. And never forget that everything I've read about the the ozzy's MO came off so classy classy with you at the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, what we I I always liked the Australians, and the reason the reason being I like their work ethic. They also party hardy don't play. Yeah. You know, which was which was good. But they always went out there. They were ready to play and afterwards, whatever happen. But I also liked the camaraderie, you know, that's something that I never had. I was never a part of that that may that was my fault. But you know, they travelled together, you know, the South Africans travelled together, my great friend, David Schneider, South African we traveled with with three or four other the players from South Africa, and the, but but in the United States was different because there was so much competition. You know, if you know, not only within the tennis playing Arthur ash or STAN Smith are are Roscoe Tanner or are Eddie Dibbs, or you know, all the guys that I grew up with. But also, we're we're fighting for, you know, two lines on the front page against all the other great athletes from Ali of fraying, you know, Jackie. Steward and racing. You know, whatever we're fighting for such a tiny tiny piece of the pie. You see today with the Ryder Cup Jim every year. They get that Ryder Cup together for every two years for golf, and you can see the EU guys all are able to mesh more seamlessly into a cohesive team right and Petrie creed can fake for a week that he's part of a team. But you know, he's been brought up to be sorta like you or with its killer be killed. You're out of here on your own is so something about the being off the electric Griddle that is the United States of America, the competitive nature, which is its beauty. But also it makes it hard to mesh seamlessly over here. You have to be beyond good to creating excitement, you know. Whereas in a lot of other countries, you know, if you're just if you're one of the best, and, you know, you're you're so far above because of you know, you're not producing so many greats out of. Out of tennis or out of other sports. You know, but but here it was the competition and everything was so was so not when Tony Roach wins in Alice Springs, when he's eighteen the word goes out, right right throughout the land. Right. There's something happening out not near the on their Ayers Rock. There's a kid with Rosie who's gonna perfect, you know, the good game travels. Over here. You're right. You're going up against Lee consisted, sixty nine months. There's loose story. Every second though, you kinda getting buried poncho. Then begins to punch a cigar begins to go out on the road with. I was so enamored of what he was a brilliant. Tactician wasn't he? Yes. He would. I I never watched anybody else play it. I always felt that my game was good enough. And if I was going to win go play my game. And if it wasn't good enough, you know, go play again. But poncho would go study my opponents and come back and say, you know, JIMBO and not many people call me that and I've told you that and and when he come back, and he'd say now, you know, when when you get to this point and this happens, and then you you've got to play the ball here. And when you play the ball here, you're booth and has to be like this. I mean, he, you know, he didn't he thought it out? He he gave it all to me. But he gave it all to me and such a condemn. Matter way, Dennis that, I didn't even know he's giving it to me. It's perfect for you. Because you're like a dog will run through a wall. If you get fed at the right time, somebody who respect I was I was at and I would've been and and I did, you know, I've got the scars to prove it, which you know. I wasn't. I wasn't afraid to do that. And and to put it all out there and to to leave it all out there because when I walked off the court. I was done always pretty good about that. I would know. But I didn't want to look back and say, jeez. If I'd have done this. You know, I could have you know, maybe I could have one I never felt that way. If I didn't figure it out there. I wasn't going to figure it out five minutes later. Yeah. I ran into John Lloyd last week in in Florida. He was with the rob Schneider where we're doing together. John light, lovely cat. I know you're good friends with him. And he told me. Unsolicited. I said, you know, I'm haiku Jimmy's. Yeah. I know you are and he's at I'm telling you for a year that guy hit the ball screws. He didn't miss a shot. I guess you're twenty one and you go a hundred and three right? One hundred wins three losses in the course of sees didn't lose many of that year. I I had a pretty good year that ios good. Well, he said that the one of the great injustices Johnson was that you had one three or four that year. And you would he's listened the French. He's rolling Garros at that point was like playing in a truck rally. I it was mud right? The balls were they might as well been billiard balls. But he said he couldn't lost. He wasn't missing any shots. But that year what what happens they screw around. Right. But there's turf issues, and you don't end up at the French. Now, I got banned from the French because I played team tennis, which was Billie Jean King came Ben with this new idea for tennis where I played for Baltimore. But there are Pittsburgh had a team and. New York had a team and Dallas had a team Houston had it. So we travel around, but they they hooked into all the great players. I played labor played Rosewall play new compla- Jeremiah's played, you know in Pittsburgh. So Vitas an rainy FOX Goolagong there. There's a lot of you know, great players. But the tennis powers be thought that that was going to interfere with the actual playing of of the tournaments too. So there was a lawsuit filed to keep to keep myself in Yvonne out of Goolagong out of the French. And you know, because we were the only ones to to win the grand slam because we had one Australia. And so if that isn't cut off your nose despite your face to think of these old bureaucrats not have you and Goolagong to the French. It's just my boggling listen at you know, I've told you Dennis on, and and I speak to you, very candidly. You know about a lot of things, and you know, a lot of things I wouldn't say here. But but I I will say this. I mean, I I love tennis. I love everything around you, you know. But the the game itself is is beyond anything that I've ever expected to be a part in a part of a lot of the stuff around. You know, how that goes? It's like anything else, you knows my mind when I think about that Avante, and you young you, and I mean, you are charismatic. She was I remember when she won Wimbledon. It was in spite of the walkabout, I remember great Sports Illustrated because she got the walkabouts where she'd go away for a while. It was pleasure to watch her movement. She was elegant elegant player, and and your she went on some walkabouts, and and you know, up and down during the course of the match, but she was something to watch. So three out of four that year. Lloyd, assures me, thanks, John. The he assures Jimmy was buddy. Thanks. Yeah. He's a he was a cool guy. But crise looks like he's twenty. Five years old the guy so fit, but he said forget that he's a Jimmy will never tell you that. And then here's the thing. I love Jimmy. They have some clay court Chevy. I don't know if it's in the Annapolis. Maybe Jimmy ends up winning on clay. And they say any ends up winning it against whoever won the French. And they say well would this be your fourth grand slam? Can you say in your head? And in the book is not in my hat. This isn't the French Open. I didn't win. I love the part of you about that. You wouldn't even like do that sucky thing. Just no, I haven't I haven't won the French Open. Now. For me. I missed it. Did I have a chance, maybe, you know, whatever, you know, some people think I would have some people don't you don't though those who mind matter and those who don't matter don't hide you that goes, but but for me, I mean, I I held I held a grudge. You didn't go for a while. They didn't go for like six six years after that, you know, whether I want it then or not so diff is another question. But you know, I I was in a lot of ways a little too strong minded in some things, you know. You know, it's fun to learn. Fuck you infringe. Well. Sees go into the berlitz center out here. Any different? Jimmy, would you come? You need me at the moment. The thing about JIMBO is. And you folks, you have to remember JIMBO here. I go saying shouldn't say thing about Jimmy is the Australian Open you told me when I went to the stroke at open, and you wanted your first year, and you want a second year, I guess for your reasons, but you told me there was one shower stall nail that you hung your stuff on lucky to it. It was not what it is. But you did win one of those. But then an essence you stop going there. So when we think about these eight single titles that mister Connors one in grand slams for a long time, you earn for six years. You said the French you were playing off two year. It was opened a Wimbledon. I was Ellis enough. Yeah. You know? It was good for me. I mean, going down to Australia back, then it was in December. They eventually changed the date to after January, but it was over Christmas and new year. I went for two years, I want it wants to nukem in the finals once and I I didn't go back. But you know, I mean, you know. Criticize that, you know, I I only one, you know, in today's to fifty two hundred fifty thousand dollars tournaments and things like that. You know, I hate to burst. Everybody's bubble Dennis. But Wimbledon was to fifty day, you're walking eighteen grand or something if you wanted or some it was just some crazy amount of money. If that now, you know to you know, to go into to play these terms going down to Australia you've lie down there. You lose money. You know? So I mean over Christmas, by the way, folks, this is how miscarried they had the Australian Opie had the split and go down over your Christmas break right to be done there. Hey, I love. The fact you got the first one in and then you blow dodge it was good. It was good. And by the way, do when you go down to play nuke every time. I read a book about tennis, and they play a match and Austria, it's they talk about the degrees celsius that it's always like forty four celsius, which I think like one seventeen and then on top of it. You've got a beef fifty two sides flies coming down. You're right. It was an experience. It really was. I mean, it was so hot down there. And and you know, that's in the middle of their summer. But I'm telling you, if you if you're not in shape down there, then you know, that that to me, you know, is is what tennis is all about, you know, there's more to it than just playing the game, you know conditioning, and heart and guts, and in mind, and will and just everything that you put on not NS forget about working on your game. Right. You know, don't take that away from the game. You know, sometimes the matches do go long. But you know, to me I like seeing an Dowell, you know, when is four all into fifth still, you know with that kind of energy in in in you know, that passion for the game. And that's all part of the game to me, you know, so to go down and play long matches in the heat. I liked playing at noon, I like playing at noon in Washington DC, you know, in the middle of the summer when when it's hot because I always felt I had an advantage as I was in good shape. And and and then, you know, kind of fit into my game, and you can see how STAN. Ahead of the curve shape. Was so important because there is the one time I think you're playing Chang. We'll you just go blotto on the court at the French Open. Right. Or I I did I, you know, some as you were coming back from something you weren't quite up to speed. I just had reconstructive surgery, and I was out for a year and came back, and I was trying to get back into into playing matches. And I played the French want a couple of matches and played Michael Chang. And you know, he was he was young in coming up and had won the French before, you know, it was it was at the top, you know, in in his game in his element. And and we remember we were two-sets-to-one he was up, and I happened to win the four set, and I'm kind of walking around, and I'm looking up, and I always had a friend used to travel with my friend Billy from back in Belleville. And I remember looking up to in Denison. And like kind of said, you know. What all these people doing here? You know? And I looked at you know, it's kinda you know, when you stick your head through the wall. And you see, you know, you know, you don't ever want to do that. You don't you know, because I I saw the the really bad part of that. And and, you know, for me not to continue that match, especially with the French, and you know, in the full set with you know, but I I was out and and I walked off and. A way trainer friend Bill Norris who had known me since I was a kid. And you know, it was the the best on the men keeping everybody playing helped me off in as I walked in here to bags ready for my all aliens put the saline and there, you know, so I wouldn't cramp, and I wouldn't you know, wouldn't just suck two bags up. She marched from. I walked I I walked out of there. And I said to him I go to be okay. You know, and it worked out. Okay. Well, that's you don't want to stick your head through and see it like Jimmy said that can get scary. But every once in a while on the other side of the room you stick your head through. And it's just I think the praise in the zones over us, but you did have a year where you played muscles rose well in the finals of both the Wimbledon and the the US open, and that spot that was pretty much as close as you. I don't know. Perfect exists in view that was as close as you got. Right. That's as close as and to be honest with you as close as I had ever gotten. You know, even after that. I mean, it to my mom, I told my mom I said I had two matches in one year. Like that. You know? I never forget. I said, you know, I went out, and I just couldn't miss a ball. And it just everything that came off. My racket was perfection. And and she says don't get used to it. Yeah. Yeah. Becau. Because you know, Tennessee in its grind tennis was a grind. But you know, you go and you play and and I was young and I had a chance to to win Wimbledon. Now. I never ever thought that you know, I got one chance I better take advantage of it, you know, and to go onto play like that in I had other chances to win Wimbledon three or four again enjoy want it in eighty two. But you know, that that eighty-two might not have ever come along. You know? So, you know, you got to you know, you got to like, my great friend, Lloyd bridges told me when years and before I even turn pro says you gotta strike while the irons hot. And and you know, I I I I had to I had to win that you know, that, you know, in in my time, my feeling was you know, if you've been around and playing for a while it's time to go. You know, just like, you know, when I came in courier Sampras and Edberg and Becker and guys like that. I was getting older, you know, they wanted to tell me Jimmy. It's time to go. You know, move aside. Right. You know, let us take over the nature the circle of life. Yeah. And, but you know, to to go out into play those the greats like, I did, you know, I I went from played guys from the sixties the seventies eighties in the nineties. Now, you know, and you know, for me to go back to say that a play against the the grates that I played against now, you're like, Robert Wagner. I always think R J bridged old Hollywood new Hollywood. There's not many people get that timeline. It's a you are able to say that you knew all these you'll tell me about Lou Hoed, I'll think well Jimmy, but some of these cats on the way up on the way, he meets the current batch thing about the Rosewall matches. He's thirty nine I believe at that point and in his finished shape. Probably as anybody out of Australia ever, except for the aforementioned MO where they always say was the most amazingly and shape cat in the world, but you would thirty nine and you brought up courier to he punctuates. But you would thirty nine have a thing at the open where it's you've stepped into the I don't know that must've. Felt great. You all remember it folks going to stay who wasn't staying up late watching Jimmy at one thirty climbing walls. It was beautiful brother. Tell me. What are you know, what you've ever tell me tell me again, what that felt like brother what a run? Well. My my thoughts of coming in after my research Orie was that that if I could get in some shape up my goal was to play the US open, and and I didn't really play enough and this is same year where you white outed with Chang. Rowing garrison. Right. So three months later. So my goal was to was to try to get into the US open. And and my ranking when it came time to get in wasn't good enough to get in. I had to take a wild card. So when when the draw comes out it, you know, the the draw was that I played McEnroe. Yeah. No. And I'm saying all right. Yeah. You know, playing you know, and I look in the drought. It's not John McEnroe who I had so many great matches Patrick McEnroe. So, you know, but still it was a MAC. Was it was a rivalry by name? And and I tournament started on you know, on an in an evening match. And you know, I I was playing good enough. You know, Patrick has gets me down two sets to love and in in a heartbeat. And and so now, I'm I'm struggling to stay in the turn amount. And and and I my I mean, I I love I love my friends, you know, the Stasi clerk and guys like this. But you know, when when you're looking over your down to Sesa love getting up and leaving the stadiums. He's going. He's he's partying, you know. So so I ended up, you know, coming back and winning that match in five sets. And I I was so hyped on us. I got home like two thirty in the morning and couldn't sleep. And wouldn't you know took a nap and got up and was out practicing at ten o'clock the next day. And and I, you know, I thought you know, to me that was business as usual, you know, go out and try to win this match. You could come back. And and I knew that something might have happened special was Boris Becker came never forget and down three quarts down came over and shook my hand in. Oh, and I said he said you say I can't remember exactly what he said. But is pretty cool. You know, -gratulations that I said that must have been most of it. All right for somebody to write for like that to a state because those guys is supposed to act disaffected young Tonneins broS in general is supposed to this effective with their so for Becker to stride records. I thought that was pretty cool. And you know, and then from there, it's just, you know, my, you know, my Kirckstein, Phil. I remember my passion for the game though. You know, I thought if I could maybe get stuck into that tournament a little bit. And now I was because I played five hours already almost so to get stuck into the tournament. You know, maybe something good would have happened and it turned out. Geez. What a what a memory and a great. I guess listen you serve courier comes in and the semis. And you're just I don't know. It was what it wants. It's it's one of the high points of your tennis career, right? It doesn't always have to end in victory. But you left it all out there. Once again, it was the worst player for me to play really at that time because especially at that point of the tournament because he was no miss guy. He was fit yet. And he never would miss. He keeps the ball in play. And he had power I needed at that time because I was wearing down a bit. I needed to play a guy like Edberg, right? Somebody. That, you know, serving volleyed with a points for quick, and you know, but but his semi was Lendl. I'd wanna play him either. Because he was he was a courier type. But Jim came out. I mean he handled. I mean that crowd was during that eleven days deputy handled his business he handled his business was right? He didn't let the crowd get into it in any way. And and believe me, I mean, if if I could have gotten stuck into that match with him they would have done something for kraken enroll in a crowd would and he took care of his business and played. And I I always I look back. And and I always thought I mean, he plays Stefan Edberg in the final. I thought that you know, after he beat me I thought that he would win. But an Bergman Edberg me. Yeah. Well, folks, every time you step out on that court. And this is from the ultimate neophyte. I am not a good athlete, but I've watched enough of it. And I've known some tennis players, you gotta remember. And this is why I always admire boxes the most in some weird way. When I think about Lee and Joe Frazier. Joie on one hundred and ten degrees. And they you know, let's face facts tennis is the closest thing to that. But you're not thumping each other in the head, you know. And I always think that God somebody's got to step up there and do that. And that's the cool thing about tennis, and a terrifying thing, you can be it can be six six zero six own a second and the kids not gonna take his foot off a guess, whoever is trying to take nor would you and your young exactly. And and you're out there alone. He's not even allowed to receive coaching from the stands and always think man, these guys are near money because nobody's out there, helping you. There's no nine guys in baseball or eleven and football or five and hoops where he can hide it's you it's as close as you can come to boxing say without getting punched in the head and no time limit. Yeah. That was the good thing about it before the tiebreaker came in. I mean, you know, if you're a Pancho Gonzalez played a match at Wimbledon that went over two days five sets over. I mean, eighteen six. Ecksteen with John Borg at one point or something like that. I think the tiebreaker that was tiebreaker hold that was their tiebreaker. You're talking about games could go forever. Yeah. The fifth sector go, you know, until I think it was eighteen sixteen in the fifth or and then and then not an eighteen sixteen time that I remembered eighteen sixteen games in. There was a match at Wimbledon six six years ago. John is ner played I'll think of his name here. But they went think seventy two seventy in the fifth games that was over. I was doing the TV for and hope you're getting paid piecemeal. I'm thinking how you know. I'll pass it out watching it. You know, go on, you know, it's ten o'clock, then we have to come back and Manno man that was just went on forever. See Reardon would have struck. You the paid by the game. That's right. I miss him for that. To some good negotiating for me. We're talking to the great Jimmy Connors. And I would be remiss at the end if I didn't say not only was this cat the blessed with women as life for his young. He meets one of the all-time. Great things. His wife. Patti who I loved dearly. She's sweet and she's fun. She's allies. And he's got a beautiful daughter. So. Like a pad pocket, Patty or something, you know? And boy you've had good luck with Dame's in your life. Jim book I've been lucky, but I ended up with the best. Yeah. And she is she changed my life when I met her Dennison, and listen, we've been married forty years and with with every marriage, companionship it, oh, there's there's ups and downs. But you know, it seems that for me it's always been about her and the way she handled things because she's been, you know, the glue behind everything to tell everything together. And and so she allowed me to play tennis until I was fifty. Yeah. You know through the regulatory, and then the senior tour, and now it's her time, you know, she as well room. She loves Lauren ballroom, dancing, and, you know, a love loves the practice loves go into the competitions and everything, and you know, so she stayed home enough. So I'm happy to stay on with a little bogie. It's a long. Circuitous trip other one eventually life takes you to point where you run up to protest at the referee's chair or the empire's chair, and it's Patty knowing how to put you in your place. I always think accepting when you'll tell me so she said when you're off on some river wider, your something's got a bug up your ass. She has these things where a right. This is a rap on this. Jimmy. I always say how funny the Jimmy up ran into essentially the ultimate on fire at some point. And he's as in love with the Pires, it could be boy, I had my wrist with them. And I try to get away with a few things with her. I can't do it. Geico too tired rather. I love you. Cattleman in your that. That is the Dennis Miller option Jimmy Connors, and we will see you next time and Christian we got any business that tend to or we get. No, I just want to let people know that if they'd like to leave us a voicemail, eight six six five zero nine seven two six eight and on next Tuesday's show will be joined by the great, Mark Stein. But that's all the business. We have oddly enough, Mark Stein. One six times at rolling here. Flinging them up. There you go. All right, folks. Talk to you next time. 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"This message comes from only a game sponsor Samuel items. Sam Adams, Boston lager offers distinctive balance of spicy hops, sweet roasted malts and smooth. Finish Boston beer company, Boston mass saver responsibly. I'm Howard Bryant, and this is only game growing up in Boston. Every sports loving kid wanted to be Bobby, your the legendary defenseman for the Boston Bruins. It didn't matter what neighborhood you were from or what color you were. And probably if you were a boy or girl, he was that big. So it didn't surprise me at all. That has a little girl, the legendary US soccer goaltender Briana, scurry idolized Jim, Craig, the hero of the nineteen eighty US Olympic hockey team. Here's reporter. Olivia, Christian. I didn't grow up a huge soccer fan. I played basketball and tennis sports at had their starts faces on Wheaties boxes and on the cover of Sports Illustrated. The Porsche. Everyone has been asking lately, why has America becomes so enthralled with this women's World Cup when in one thousand nine hundred nine like millions of others around the world, I became a fan that was a year. The US women's national soccer team won their first World Cup. Ridout star was brandy Chastain alumnus of Santa Clara university. The school that I was attending at the time, the school that's celebrated its star by blanketing the campus with t shirts and signs with her name and likeness. Randy scored the last penalty king and after doing so, took off her jersey dropped to her knees and pumped her fists and jubilation while the country was celebrating her as our new national treasure. I wanted Briana scurry a goalkeeper. The one who made these save that gave us the five for victory over China to be as exalted for years. I've wondered if brianna, where a blonde white woman that showed us her sports bra when she made that save what her career her life have been different. A few weeks ago. I finally had the chance to ask Briana scurry what she thought of that moment that was vintage for Andy, her taking off her shirt truly was like the the deserving image of what we achieved in accomplished and it was it was. It was just as it should be. This was not the answer. I was expecting. To really understand Brown has perspective on this. We need to go back to one of her earliest sports memories. The one that made her think, oh, this is awesome. I want to do that when I was eight years old. I remember sitting on the couch with my mom and dad watching the miracle on ice unfold before our eyes. And when the USA beat the Soviet Union in that semifinal and Jim, Craig, the goalkeeper at the time was just absolutely amazing that team won that game Greeley because of him. And that's what I wanted. I wanted to be a gold medalist. Well, thinking about it now, do you find it curious that eight year old Briana was looking at an older white man in hockey and thinking, I want to be like him. You know, it didn't occur to me that it was odd. Brianna grip playing lots of different sports, including tackle football at twelve years old. She found the game of soccer from the beginning. She was a goalkeeper when front of very small rural town in Minnesota in. So they didn't have a girls team at the time and the coach thought it was a good idea that the girl playing goal. They thought it would be the safe place or the only girl on the team to play. As we all know, it's the most dangerous position and there is, but I loved it after a successful collegiate career at the university of Massachusetts, brianna received an invite to join the US national team. This was the team, the one that broke women's soccer wide open in this country. I remember my first training camp as absolutely brutal. I mean, Michelle Akers was there Karen Gabeira, Julie Foudy, Mia, Hamm all these players that were absolutely elite, the best of the best and not just in this country, but in the world. And so it was a very humbling experience for me. Digging the ball out of the back of the net and no less than two thousand times. I'm sure. Well, looking back at that early team, thinking about your teammates, how do you think they would describe you. They would say I am intense. I think intense fearless. Kasur finally very demanding. Think over time they, they grew to love me and I hope I hope that's true that team played for the gold medal at the nineteen Ninety-six Olympics in Atlanta in front of tens of thousands of people in the stadium, rooting for the home team and millions watching around the world. This was the moment. Brianna had been dreaming of since she was eight. It was magical. You know, millions of things had to occur in order for me to get in that exact spot at that exact time and I was there. So I just knew we were going to win. It was just a matter of time. I just needed to focus it and do my job, and I had complete faith that everybody else will do theirs and they did, and that moment, brianna. And the other women who now own gold medals became heroes for the next generation of soccer players over the next year. The nation watch. Thanks to television commercials as brianna brandy, Mia, Tiffany and tissue went to great lengths to stick together, whether it was third, fourth, fifth, and sixth, willing it on a date. Call you guys. Or taking a team trip to the dentist, drill to fillings the team did everything together, at least on TV, then I will have to fillings. I just examined your teeth. They're perfect. Hi will have to fillings no longer did eight year old girls have to look to men as their role models. And I think that was one of the things that was so appealing about our team. You could find someone that looks a little bit like you who runs a little bit like you who seems that they could be your big sister. It was truly amazing just watching soccer explode in this country, but it wasn't just soccer that exploded in my opinion. I think it was powerful women in general. And that brings us back to that nineteen ninety nine World Cup the tie the penalty kicks and Briana save. I'm not much older than brianna. Most of my sports role models growing up renewed. So when she made that amazing, say and stomped her feet through her head back ward in that nine hundred ninety nine World Cup, I thought finally an African American woman on the world stage literally saving us for me. That was the image that should have been celebrated by a grateful nation, but not for Briana for me. If brandy doesn't take that last kick, I think women's soccer is still super popular, but not anywhere near the way ended up rolling out because which her image showed is a literal transformation. Of an opinion of women from one way to another way that it was cool to have muscles and to be fit and to be strong. So in that regard, for the greater good of the game, her image would go a lot further for a lot longer than mine would have gone. Brianna did receive a few endorsement deals. She made it on that weeds box and she sat on the couches of Jay Leno. Rosie, O'Donnell and Regis. And Kathy Lee after several more years as part of the US national team Riano went on to play professionally and twenty ten as a member of the Washington freedom. Things changed. I got hit in the side of my head on making a low ball, save. For the few weeks and months after that, it just wasn't getting better. It was getting worse and it was a very tumultuous time for me. I was thirty eight years old and I was considering retiring anyway soon, but not as roughly as that, obviously. And part of the reason why I think that I didn't pursue a lot of opportunities back then is because in my mind, I wasn't capable for years. I assume the lack of Briana on my television calling games and giving commentary was because she was black. I thought it wasn't enough that she made that incredible save. Her look wasn't a look. That America was ready to celebrate in reality. It was the sport that gave her so much that was now responsible for taking so much away. I just couldn't keep my thoughts together. I suffered, you know, intense headaches every day I had, you know, vision issues I had. I honestly felt like I couldn't learn anything new for awhile because. I couldn't make it stick in the night. Couldn't recall it. You know, then the emotional stuff started to happen like anxiety, depression, and panic attacks, and things like that. And so basically, everything that I had planned on doing just went into a whole that year after twenty eleven. I was actually doing ESPN broadcasting for that twenty eleven World Cup and struggled every single day. We were in Germany for thirty days and every evening I would go to my hotel room and cry and cry and cry every day because I couldn't make anything stick my performance on screen and on air wasn't very good. In my opinion. I mean, I couldn't remember the things I had said, and you know, all these kinds of things that you deal with when you have concussion symptoms long-term. And you know, after that time I just basically disappeared. Brianna disappeared into a studio apartment in New Jersey. And into the chaos of trying to receive treatment for the side effects of her career ending concussion. But I was surprised when she told me that she wouldn't change a thing. I met my current wife. I would never have met chrissa without it. And you know, now I think back on it. It was actually something that changed the path of my life in a good way. I mean, I'm as happy as I've heard. In my life. And this is going to last until I'm ninety or whatever. I hope and it's, it's, it's something that at the time I couldn't have seen, you know, but it was just the path I was meant to walk these days. Brianna walks the sideline as an assistant coach for the Washington spirit and the hallways of colleges and conferences, talking with audiences of all ages about diversity, perseverance, and the dangers and symptoms related to concussions. I'm forty six years old and it's been twenty years since I first started playing in the national team and everything and now seeing the team that plays for the USA. Now, all of those girls saw us do what we did. So many people go through their lives and they affect in a positive way, you know, a handful of people, and I, I know that my life and what I've done in it has positively impacted millions and I know that I mean the ripple effect of that how we were able to impact in entire world by showing strength join power by showing that it's okay to be strong. It's okay to sweat. I mean, I love my medals. I love you know, my accolades. Don't get me wrong, but I tell you what when I have little kids come up to me, who were, you know, my mom thinks you great. You know what? I think that's pretty cool. I mean, how many people can say that. I'm a little embarrassed about the story I made up my mind about what happened to Briana scurry after the nineteen ninety nine World Cup my own experience as a young black athlete playing on teams and in clubs that were majority white for coaches that seemed to hate my being. There led me to fill in the gaps of her story coupled with that embarrassment, though, is a sense of relief. I'm relieved to know that I was wrong. Brianna is an even bigger hero than I thought she should have been. That was reporter. Olivia, Christian. Women like sports, so doesn't sports. Talk, radio do more to attract female listeners. They have the audience, they have, they know they're engaged. They know they buy things and they seem ok with that that story's coming up on only a game from NPR. This message comes from only game sponsor Samuel Adams of all the beers. Sam Adams has ever brewed Boston lager is their all time favorite with its distinctive balance of spicy hops. Sweet. Roasted Maltin smooth finish. It stood the test of time and helped launch the whole craft beer revolution. Sam Adams, Boston lager, full flavored, rich and complex. There's nothing quite like the taste of an original Boston beer company, Boston mass saver responsibly. I'm Howard Bryant. It's time for three stories. You should know this week. We're going to start with football, you know soccer, the sport of kings and then move onto the NFL. I'm joined by SP nations Tyler times whose work featured in the twentieth eighteen best American sports writing in bookstores this week. Welcome back and congratulations Tyler. Thank you. And by what of my very favorite investigative journalists, you do not want her on your trail, the terrific, Jessica Luther, Jessica. Hi, you are up first this week, Jessica. What do we need. To know. Yeah. So Cristiano Renaldo, the soccer superstar from Portugal who plays for you. Ventas and Italy is the third highest paid athlete in the world. And possibly the most famous. He is now also under investigation by the Las Vegas police department in regard to a two thousand nine reported sexual assault, a woman by the name of Catherine may. Orga has come forward in a long piece in the German magazine Spiegel. She waited until now because back in two thousand ten Rinaldo settled with her out of court and payer, three hundred seventy five thousand dollars with the stipulation that she never talk about the reported assault again. But she has a new lawyer who is trying to void the settlement on multiple legal grounds. There's a police investigation because she filed a police report and did a rape kit back in two thousand nine the day after she says he raped her. Rinaldo has denied these allegations. But in the reporting Spiegel says, there was an internal document between Rinaldo lawyers, which Rinaldo admits she said, no, there may not be a bigger athlete on this planet. Do you all see this getting any traction that it should be getting. Traction, but given the week that we've had and also not just the week, but the year you're looking at Ohio State. And Jessica, of course, the work you've done Baylor and Cavanaugh mean you wonder how you're going to keep your enthusiasm level high. At least it'd be paid closer attention. I'm going to try to be optimistic and say that this is going to get the sort of traction that it needs and it's going to that. People are gonna pay attention to it. I wish I were more optimistic than I am Tyler. What do you think? I definitely don't have the optimism mostly because we live in a system here where the powerful as always uplifted, where the powerless or not is woman has every piece of evidence possible you have sponsors who are Kana back away. From Renaldo, you have teams who are suspending him, giving him a break, but it should go much further than that to the point that a woman's Fuhrer must be respected. And so should her pain yet. And you've got Nike, that's got a billion dollar endorsement deal with him by the way. That's one billion for one player. And of course, EA sports has also said that they're monitoring the situation very closely, Jessica. This is the area that you traffic and. When you saw Addison Russell get forty games where major league baseball after his domestic violence situation, is this needle moving at all in your opinion? Yeah. I mean, it's moving. It's a, you know, I always describe this as like a giant cruise ship. Teeny tiny rudder and turning this at all is very difficult. But you know, for someone like me who studies college football and sexual violence in particular wasn't much urban Meyer. He got a little bit of punishment, but it's gonna take a long time and a lot of work to get the kind of change that we're hoping for Tyler up. So in the last few weeks, one of the major dissenters in this athletic moment of protests outside of Colin Kaepernick his former teammate, Eric Reed was recently signed by the Carolina Panthers read is an all pro level almost all world level safety at this point and was one of the main people who kneeled next to Colin Kaepernick back in August twenty. Sixteen after Jerry Richardson's reign of misogyny and also sexism and also racism, and also everything bad in the world that could be around. One owner hem leaving the Panthers last year has opened. Up a new leadership where owner, David Tepper has said that he sides with the protests that being said, it doesn't feel as if the Panthers have done anything monumental by hiring dissenter, hiring a protester who was ousted from the league has collusion case with the NFL they've done nothing but hire the right person for the job. But at the same time it almost feels as if protesters during the cabinet era are finding their way back into the league, what you guys think. Yeah, I think that number one, do you get a medal for doing the right thing to you? Is that what we do here? Just my question for you on this. I'm thinking, is this cynicism in that you finally got a player that you needed when you're the Panthers, or is it the fact that now that you hire Eric, read that collusion lawsuit that he's got currently against the NFL now goes away question. I mean, it doesn't matter that they hired him because he's a good football player. Going back to the discussion we just had and Tyler brought this up. If we wanna talk about the impact of me to on sports. The fact that Richardson's not there is because of sports Illustrated's reporting about. His misogyny and racism that's tied into me to right so we can see a direct impact here. It is hard. You don't want to give them cookies for doing the thing that they should do. I don't know. It's so complicated. I'm really happy though that read is back. I think we can mix a piece of actually being happy that somebody who deserves a job got one and also having skepticism that it took this long for it to happen the entire NFC south needed never happened in the first place. Why? Why are we waiting until October? Exactly. Eric was not on a preseason roster. Every training camp roster took multiple men to fall Negret iron for Eric retu-, even get proposed that he should have a job of the general manager. Marty Harney said strictly football decision. That's when this starts to fill, deploys it, but we need to actually speak about it and he's not being silent. I just want to point out that it has presser which was great. Which was great. Yeah. I mean his unpacking of US history and oppression in this country should be used in classrooms, and he's being very clear in his messaging as he has always been Eric. And I talked about this at length during the twenty seventeen season all year with the forty Niners last year. And I remember saying to him, listen, you can't beat the flag. So you're going to have to go head first on shaping your message on what this is all about. Stay on target. If you don't stay on target and they're going to shape it for you and you're going to lose. So what he did to me was fantastic. I'm going to finish things up with football as well, and people hate it when I say, but sports are filtered through the following lens, white owners, white coaches, white season ticket buyers, white media, and black players through this lens players perform a service for the owners, and they entertain the fan base. They have no other rights or concerned. They're paid a ton and they're expected to be grateful. But Earl, Thomas safety for the Seattle Seahawks. He held out earlier this season for a better contract in everyone knows the dangers of football, the injury risks, the short window of opportunity in the fans called himself. And he came back and what happened. He broke his leg and while being carted off the field, he flipped the middle finger to his own sideline and some fans burned his jersey. My reaction wasn't burnish jersey. It was to buy one, Jessica who got your z. money though. That's the problem. Is there some way to support and also to make sure that the right people are being hurt by this? Yeah, I think that's a great point. And it made me think a lot about this story with JR Smith that came up recently an NBA and he put a tattoo on his league discussion about covering it up and and sort of discussion of who owns putting that in quotes like who owns. They sometimes refer to them as owners right yet? Yeah. Talk about him as owners. The language of sports is very specific, right? I think the anger that that comes at hearing, some of these decisions is the fact that over the understand the metrics of how capitalism can work, right. You belong to the people who pay your paychecks and that's wrong at the basis of it. Right. So the NBA says, JR Smith, actually, we do own your skin. He has one of two choices either says fatty, no, you don't. I want a brand on my leg or he says the money is more important to my kids, which he did say, I'm just going to keep pushing. And so I think it's powerful that people like Earl Thomas and JR Smith or standing up to these corporations that are telling them they're not worth that much when the reality is if there's no Levy on bell on the field, as we've seen the Steelers offense, offense and go, the team is bad losses. Accrue people get fired in that just because you wouldn't pay somebody. They're worth my guess for this week's edition of three stories, you should know have been investigative journalist, Jessica Luther. Thank you. Jessica. Thank you and SP nations tile at times. Thank you Tyler. Thank you. Here's something you already know depending on the market as much as ninety percent of sports talk radio listeners or men. Here's something else. You also probably know women like sports too. So why don't more women listen to sports talk radio. It's not just because a lot of sports talk radio hosts are jerks. Here's only a games, Karen, given it's true. I'm a woman and I don't listen to sports talk radio. I try sometimes once I tuned in to find the hosts talking about Fox Sports, caster, Joe buck's wife. She used to be a stripper. One of them said, no, no, no. She was a prostitute. The other laughed for the record and buck was once an Indianapolis Colts cheerleader. But that doesn't really matter her prior profession has nothing to do with our husbands failings as play by play guy. You can't blame me for not tuning into sports, talk radio. If I did have to listen to what these guys in Boston. Think about women like sideline reporter, Erin, Andrews. I hate her cutlass seriously, go away from Trump dead. Over the years. I've developed this impression sports talk, radio must not want me must not won't win, and it turns out I was right. Welcome back. You know, there's no doubt a lot of sports is lost its way, and I'm gonna tell you part of the reason is because we've got women giving us directions from the station in San Francisco for some of you this is going to come across as very misogynistic protect. No good can ever come from that disclaimer. So here's the thing I'm willing to share my sandbox. As long as you remember your in my box, I didn't get into yours. Did he really just say that. Not so long ago, finance reporter named Jason Nadi was driving down route twenty six heading into Portland, Oregon, when he tuned his radio to sports talk after about the second strip club a men's to stop strong clinic Ed and ad for a male focus attorney, you know, they're, they seem to be targeting somebody here. There is certainly a specific audience they're going after. Is it me? Okay. This might seem like it's a no brainer. And Jason was pretty sure he knew the answer to. He talked to radio executives and industry watchers, and he found yes, as it turns out males above the age of thirty five or right in the sweet spot of sports radio. Unfortunately, that's me. I fall into that demographic. Jason wanted to talk to advertisers too, but the low testosterone clinics did not wanna talk to us at all about this. He found one advertiser more. More than willing to talk. This is Rick Jones of Goldberg Jones rate Jones is the managing partner of a law firm that specializes in divorce for men. The firm was founded twenty three years ago in Seattle back then most attorneys advertised in the yellow pages, but Rick was looking for a more affordable option. And how long did it take you to find sports talk radio. We actually ran our ads, I believe for the first time on Sunday before opening our doors on Monday, please tell me it was like football season or something. Absolutely. It was. It was mid January. Rick says he advertises on some other radio stations, classic rock, that sort of thing. But nothing beats sports talk. We're looking at the things with advertisers need to look at which is the target demographic, the cost per year at cetera, and the ratings, it just really made sense to spend money in sports radio station that has listenership of inexcessive. Ninety percent male. So you're reaching more men, which I guess means that your cost per potential customers lower. Right, correct. Direct. In many markets, sports talk. Radio doesn't even break the top ten when it comes to ratings, but their listeners are loyal and they're engaged from Hillsborough is been calling in for like the last fifteen years, and they know Dave's tastes they know what steakhouse Dave likes to eat at. It's interesting to see the lengths. They will go to keep both. Dave and guys like Jones comfortable just to be crystal clear. It's not the misogyny that keeps advertisers like Rick Jones comfortable. He's not a fan of that kind of thing. This is kind of a weird question, but if suddenly fifty percent of sports talk listeners were women, would that make it less attractive as an advertising place for you? The answer is probably yes, but let me explain why which is if they now had twice as many listeners as they do now, you can fully expect the amount to advertise. At the same level we do seem reach and frequency would double. Cost. And so the the only thing that would gain just the cost with double. Jason, the naughty talk to executives at ESPN radio, and he was surprised by their response. They seem very cognizant of the fact that this is kind of a antiquated approach, but it works. I fig terrestrial radio are basically assuring entire generation along in a velvet coffin. They have the audience, they have, they know they're engaged. They know they buy things and they seem ok with that. But there's good news if you're a woman who likes sports because in some ways, terrestrial radio is being replaced by other things, podcasts and YouTube channels in Instagram and Facebook. And in those spaces, women aren't just allowed their welcomed. ESPN is investing in podcasts with women behind the mic. I can now watch my friend Andrea Creamer and Hannah storm culling Thursday night in fell games on Amazon prime. And this ad play during last winter's college. Ball, playoff. Yes, but if you have set, I. Okay. So the basic gist of this commercial is that the protagonist, Anna is an architect. Her boss ignores her ideas and leaves her to explain his mistakes to clients into one day really wanted to do. Big architects is Anna Baker. I'm sure this ad would inspire anyone who's ever had a bad boss. But with that soundtrack, nine to five is practically an anthem of second wave feminism that ad is targeting me. And it makes sense because on the TV side of things is more and more people cut, the cord sports are pretty much the only thing anyone still watches live. This so many stations paying exorbitant fees just for rights to broadcast games. You know, that's the only way you're going to get that many eyeballs at one place. So yes, they have to be nicer because they're not just trying to sell a trip to a steakhouse or something like that. They're trying to sell cards. They're trying to sell home loans. They're trying to sell a bigger ticket items that more people than has Dave from Hillsborough need. And this is where the strategy of keeping the advertisers happy gets turned on its head. I talked to Jennifer storms. She's the chief marketing officer at NBC sports group, and she says her main focus isn't to attract advertisers. We wanna make sure that we are always serving our consumers. But when NBC sports looked at their audience, their consumers, they discovered that women already made up forty six percent of NFL fans car. Again, another forty to fifty percent of the NASCAR fans. They are women, so we're not just wearing pink hats. You know, we're really into it. Women were already enjoying NBC sports products, but we took a look at it and we said there's a real opportunity here to serve women even better and even more authentically and they are such large fans of her sports properties. How do we give them more avenues, more opportunities to express their fandom and engage with us last winter during the Olympics NBC launched an initiative called on her turf. It's a podcast, Instagram and YouTube campaign, and it's not designed to attract women to sports. It's designed to reach the women who already enjoy sports and inspire them to take. Take on the world and in that spirit, I have something to say to this guy, willing to share my sandbox as long as you remember urine my box that sandbox of yours, it's getting smaller and smaller this one over here. The one that I'm playing in its got room for everybody. That's only a games, Karen, given Jason naughty wrote about sports, talk radio advertising for the New York Times. We'll have linked to his story at only a game dot org. When Arthur Ashe Jimmy Connors in the nineteen seventy five Wimbledon finals. It was much more at stake in just a trophy. For many years. It was considered the greatest upset in women history. I think it's one of the great milestones in modern tennis. That's just ahead on only game and remember to follow us on Facebook and Twitter at only game and. I'm Howard Brian. It's been such a long week. I've got things to say Charlie Pierce always has things to say, and he's here with me now how you Charlie? Hey, Howard, how you doing? I'm good. But you know, I got problems. The American League division series is underway at Fenway park is we know we've got Red Sox. We've got Yankees, but to me, there's already been to losers the as and their fans because baseball's perennially stupid one game playoff you gotta team that won ninety seven games already home, and I just don't like this. I've been complaining about this for years. I think that after one hundred sixty two games you deserve a playoff series at least what do you think about this? Actually, I I hate to say it, but I love I love one even after one sixty two. Yeah, even after 162 loved one and done. I mean if I had a rooting interest in it, then maybe I wouldn't like it very much, but in terms of being, you know, just a fan of the game. I love the pressure at one and done. I really do. I understand that baseball's different because of the length of the season and so forth. But winner go home is just the. Greatest thing in all sports. So I'm a fan of them to be honest with, I've got two issues with at one. This is not the NCAA tournament. That's one of the things about me. The other thing that bothers me about this is we don't penalize any other sport. We don't penalize teams for not coming in first place in baseball. If you don't win the division, they make you play one game, it's it would be as if in basketball, if you didn't win the Atlantic Division, you've got to play a plane game for the right to play the eight seat. I just think it's weird and baseball. I understand why they're doing it, but I just think it it really robs you, especially if you're the as you had a great great season and now you're done after one after noon in Yankee Stadium. Well, yeah, but you know what? I don't care. I enjoy. I my sympathies to Oakland and its fans, but I don't care. How about how about two in done Charlie, we get the postscript on the Chicago Cubs. You've got. You've got a tiebreaker against the brewers, which I'm sure you loved watching it. Wrigley in the brewers win that then the cubs have to play the next day. The one game playoff which I hate against the Rockies. They lose that in thirteen innings weird season on Sunday. They started the day with the best record in the National League forty-eight hours later after two games at home, they're finished. Yeah. Mean when when a home game though, you know, I mean, you know, we're gonna. We're gonna run exactly right date. Weird team all year, though. They went through these spells of what looked like apathy to me yet. Unfortunately, one of those hit at the wrong time. Absolutely. They scored one run or fewer forty times this year and still one ninety five game. So I guess they should get a medal for that. Yeah, outside the Red Sox winning hundred games with that Bolton that stat on the cubs, the most inexplicable of the year, it's incredible. The only team to score one runner fewer more times than the cubs was the Orioles, and they left one hundred fifteen games winning winning ninety five with that sort of anemic. Offense is doing. Something. There is news this week in a novel move tennis jail will begin showing wait for it tennis more specifically, the women's tennis tour which went out on its own and the disastrous venture with in sports for the last two years, women's tennis outside of the grand slams has been virtually invisible. Meanwhile, for the past five years, many Los Angeles Dodgers fans haven't been able to watch the games their market because some cable networks won't carry sports l. a. with the combination of cord cutting and contempt, you think people are realizing that life goes on or if you're just a die, hard sports fan. Do you just wait forever until these corporations figure it out? Yeah, I think both are true. I also think there's another phenomenon going on that is the phenomenon of finding a way to be a fan without attending games without necessarily watching on television. I mean, we always could be a fan through bedding, but now you could be a fan through fantasy sports. You can be a fan through memorabilia. They're all kinds of ways to do. You could be a fan through media. Nostalgia. Yep. What this thing with the women's tennis thing reminds me. Most of is the phenomenally stature decision that the NHL made years ago to get off ESPN and onto sports throat when they went to spike TV for the playoffs. Remember that went to the players before that they went to sports channel. They would ESPN's only professional league at the time and he did. You know they did it them up ESPN they did what he is being does, which is the hype them from the moon and then they moved onto sports. You know, that's what this reminds me of know. They made a big mistake and I think the good news is at least if you're a fan of tennis and I am because I watched the women as much as I watched the man. I'm happy that they're back can actually watch them for the season. And you know, finally, Charlie no-show, it'd be complete without at least some discussion of the Cleveland Browns. But here's a story about a different team, a barn. Iowa has a locked cooler full of Budweiser, Bud Light, but Budweiser that it will open when the Cornhuskers when its first football game of the season. Great idea, right? Yeah, I don't understand why barn. I always doing this, but. Okay. Just making fun of the. Husker's that cooler is likely going to stay closed for at least another week. But here's my question. What happened in Nebraska football? If you are of a certain generation, my late mother-in-law was from Nebraska, her brother and her father and her grandfather all played football for Nebraska. I think they've been crippled, I think by conference realignment and by the fact that the whole nature of college football's changed. The thing about those Nebraska teams was outside of people like Johnny Rodgers and Tommie Frazier, they were big goons. They would beat you to death over the up and down the field. The games changed to very big people who are really fast, and I don't think Nebraska's ever really caught up on that. We've come a long way since Tom rathman, Roger, Craig, there you go. You could find the sports writing of Charlie Pearson Sports Illustrated from time to time any joins us each week on only a game. Thank you Charlie. Thanks art. You know the saying, game recognize game, whether it's Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady LeBron James and Kevin Durant greatness knows it when it sees it, it's like a spider sense. The same goes for the only game podcast. We think you're great, and we're pretty good too. So recognize arguing by subscribing on apple, podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts and while you're there, leave us a review, you're helping listeners find our show and helping us raise our game. Jimmy Connors may be America's greatest tennis player. Arthur ash may be its most influential. They couldn't stand each other Ashra really disliked anyone who had a kind of braggadocio anyone who preened himself in the way that Connors did. That's university of south Florida professor and historian Raymond Arsenault. He just wasn't one to attack anyway, always gave everybody the benefit out. But as a member of his family told me once the only person that he really didn't like on the tour was Jimmy Connors was brilliant, but craven the other quiet revolutionary with a powerful sense of patriotism. Here's only games Gary Wallich on Arthur Ashe's clash with his greatest nemesis when that unfolded on and off the court. The quarrel between Jimmy Connors and Arthur Ashe probably began with the Davis Cup the annual international team tennis event that dates back to nineteen hundred. According to Raymond Arsenault their attitudes towards playing on the US team were diametrically opposed, I think, asked the minute tremendous amount to him because it affirmed his notion of self worth that he was a citizen, a proud citizen, and they was respected enough to represent his nation as was the first African American to represent the US in Davis Cup competition. He had played on the US team in eight different years. By the time, Jimmy Connors was dominating men's tennis in the mid seventies, but Connors refuse to join the team. This irradiated. Ash could never understand why Connors didn't share any of that sentiment that it didn't mean anything to him. If he didn't make money out of it, he didn't seem to want to do it in June of nineteen. Seventy four. Arthur Ashe was elected president of the association of Tennis Professionals. A new governing body created to represent the interests of male tennis players. Well. They're never been anything remotely like a tennis players union and the national federations around the world and tennis promoters. We're really making all of decisions and the players felt that they were left out that they needed a voice Connors refused to join the ATP. Instead, he kept playing a member of world team tennis or WTT. In nineteen seventy four WTT filed a ten million dollar lawsuit against ATP executives and a major sponsor of the European Grand slam events for barring WTT players just hours before ashes, election as president of the ATP Connors and his agent joined that lawsuit, ash was infuriated. So we wrote a letter to the members of the ATP in which he described Connors as brash arrogant and unpatriotic, but letter became public on June twenty first nineteen, seventy five. Just two days before Wimbledon's. First round began Connors and his agent filed. Another lawsuit, this time it was for libel and it named ash and his letter, specifically Connors and his agents sought three million dollars in damages ashes, fighting in and on more than one court. Wimbledon was really special to him. The thirty two. Zero dash had dreamed of winning Wimbledon since he was a young kid, and I think he pretty much knew this was his last chance but ask also knew that might be wishful thinking, Jimmy Connors, nine years. His junior had won the nineteen seventy-four Australian and US opens and was the reigning Wimbledon champ. He started the nineteen seventy five season by winning nine of the tournaments he entered. He dominated in a way that few players have ever dominated. He was thought to be unbeatable invincible, really avenue. There'd be a good chance he'd have to go through Connors to capture a Wimbledon title. In mid June of nineteen seventy five ashen Connors competed at the Nottingham open a pre Wimbledon warm-up tournament both lost in the quarter-finals in a post tournament press conference. Connor said that he had been just a little bit off his game, but in the future of he would just crush his opponents. And to be honest, almost all of the journalists covering Wimbledon thought he was correct, but that statement just stuck in Arthur's craw ash, kept his anger to himself for a little while anyway, he filed it away when play at Wimbledon got underway. Arthur Ashe Jimmy Connors were in opposite brackets. They breezed by their opponents Connors, didn't lose a single set at dispatch, Tony, Roach in the semis on July third and sat in the stands to watch Connors, play, Roscoe, Tanner Roscoe. Tanner had the fastest serve in tennis and every time he would hit the scorching serves or ground strokes. Conners would hit back ten miles an hour faster. When Arthur's saw this, he thought, oh, wow, Roscoe. Can't out hit him. Then really, no one could Connors defeated Tanner in straight-sets, but while watching them Ascott and what if he didn't try to out hid Connors, don't give him any pace. Just constantly take it off ship and lob just drive him crazy, hit loaded, his forehand volley. And that might conceivably work. On the morning of July fifth nineteen seventy-five. Jimmy Connors was the overwhelming favorite to defeat Arthur ash when they took center court Connors, gamesmanship was obvious. He had an Italian designers outfit on, but Ashmead a fashion statement of his own Arthur's wearing the Davis Cup sweatshirt blue with red letters thing USA, but it was a reminder that Connors had led his country down and let his fellow players down. I mean, that wasn't like Arthur to play those kind of mind games. But this may be been one of the times when he did it was also unlike ash to play a strictly chip in lob game. He killed him with kindness with the slow ball with the spins. Love. I wonder if Cuomo's lost head of it there. I think they asked bowl would floated out. Don't give him any pace. You'll drive him crazy. And he won the first set six one kind of wasn't even in it and hardly one point in the second-set. The crowd is just stunned no one thought this was a remotely possible down two sets to none Connors came back to win the third. Well, here goes founders is gonna come back and he's going to win three straight sets. The fantasy of ashes is going to be over in the fourth set. It looked like Connors would even the match at two sets of peace, but Asha abandoned the ship in lob and reverted to his usual array of topspin backhands and well-placed forehands to build a five, four lead in the fourth set. Two points for authorized. Turn to the ground before faking founders hand, he raised his right arm and made a fist some interpreters thought, but he was doing a black power salute. He said, no, that they had no intention of that. But this was a moment. I think it would've been so much to him that he impulsively raised his arm head full, filled his lifelong dream in doing so. He had become the first black man to win a Wimbledon singles title after the match ash still angry at Conner's. Lawsuits stepped out of character again and suggested that his opponent had choked that just drove Connors crazy when he heard that, Billie Jean King, no, she won Wimbledon and seventy five and by tradition, the two singles, winners dance, the first dance at the Wimbledon ball, Jimmy Connors. He said he'd come only if he could have the first dance meaning he could be treated like the winner. You. When he knew he couldn't be, he didn't show up. Two days after the Wimbledon final Ashra verdict to his usual sportsmanlike self. He described Connors as nice guy and the best tennis player in the world a few days after that Connors drop the suit against ask. And so I think it's probably a credit to Jimmy Connors that he did have enough common sense and decency to drop the suit. A lot was riding on the nineteen seventy five Wimbledon men's final, the clash of personalities, the right of players to represent themselves the right of governing bodies to determine who can play in what turn amounts, but Arthur Ashe raised his game accordingly. I think that he relies he was on the biggest stage in tennis, he felt he was representing the ATP and that Connors was a threat to them. He wanted to make a moral statement as well as win the tournament. For many years. It was considered the greatest upset in Wimbledon history. I think it's one of the great milestones in modern tennis. Arthur ash is still the only black Wimbledon men's singles champion. That's only games. Gary Wallich, Raymond. Arsenault is new book is Arthur ash. They life. Only a game is produced by Martin Kessler and Gary while with help from few stock. Our technical director is Mark Neil. We had helped this week from max Liebman. Our senior producer is Karen given. Our final word comes from Arthur biographer Raymond Arsenault who says that people were surprised when she said that his nineteen seventy five Wimbledon triumph was not his greatest win. He didn't see it as important as winning the Davis Cup in nineteen sixty eight. I'm Howard Bryant only a game returns next week. Thank you for listening.

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E100:  Donald Dell

Unofficial Partner Podcast

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E100: Donald Dell

"Hi and welcome to the special one hundredth episode of Unofficial Par Sports Business podcast I'm Richard Gillis. It goes without saying that we wanted to find a guest with a big enough reputation in the industry to withstand this enormous pressure celebrating our one hundred show. So it was a great pleasure to say hello to Donald Dell one of the real legends of sports marketing folklore. He was the agent who signed the two most valuable and enduring shootings in sports history, Stan Smith and. and Michael Jordan and Nike is the Yale educated lawyer and former tennis player who captained the US Davis Cup team in the hundred sixty s containing Smith and Arthur Ashe to Megastar's who became the founding clients of pro serve, which they'll co founded in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy in an extraordinary career. He's represented many of the giants of sport from Jimmy Connors, Van Lendl, Stefan Edberg and Pete Sampras Dancy, Carrigan Patrick Ewing, and for at least Jordan. So this is an hour of compensation that moves around from star to star decade a decade taking inside. The room with some of the great characters of the sports business including. Phil Knight Horst Dassler, and Mark McCormack to named a few. If you're a late to official partner, you can go back and listen to our entire back catalogue for free via the website and apple podcasts and if you've been with us since episode one, we're really grateful for your support and interest and rest assured which is getting going. So here's Donald Dell I spoke to him from his home in Maryland Washington, and we're grateful to Steve Harvey of Minister Who Sports or prison touch. Why didn't win close Your. This is four o'clock in Washington as we speak about four fifteen Washington time yeah. So. It should be what I think. Five hours. Think it's nine fifteen year time I think. It is it is. Thanks so much for coming on, it's really It's good of you. I was thinking the other day when I was watching a Premier, league game, and the players are taking the knee and there's a great deal of talk about black lives matters and I told I thought about author rash a Richard It's a very valid question and. Arthur was my first client ever in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven. The longest client is Arthur ash I'm me Arthur edge and Stan. Smith. And when I think back about Arthur and the protests before. He died twenty seven years ago in February of Nineteen ninety-three. But as you suggest, the problems are still very much the same in. America. And I think when these people are protesting and one thing your audience should understand that in America. The slogan black lives matter is merely. A call or a slogan but what is really changed and Arthur? Thrill. Is that I would say seventy to eighty percent of America. Generally now is thinking about racism and the problems of unequal justice to some and the unfairness of certain things and so it's it's a much deeper movement and wave of people thinking. Then, the slogan is is the only point and didn't end the word floyd murder triggered all that. But when Arthur was protesting, you finish playing many years. and. What people don't remember he he died at forty nine due to AIDS from a blood transfusion in his second heart operation in Harlem Hospital with a fraternity brother Dr who is the cardiologists in shooting the surgeon in the hospital and Arthur felt very loyal to him. So he went to him for the operation I tried to persuade and go the Cleveland Clinic. And in those days, nobody knew really much about age eight was terrible Ill and people were dying left right and center and they didn't. They didn't really know enough as they do now and they have pills and and vaccines and things to fight it. But in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three when he died, he had had aids for about two years and so people have to realize when he protested in Washington. and. He was arrested twice. and jail mainly mainly only for several hours he was protesting things of how they were treating the Americans retreating Haiti immigrants. They left a boat out in the ocean. With about three hundred Haitians on it, and they wouldn't let him doc and so forth, and there are a lot of political issues about that, and then also about South Africa and so he would lead or be a part of protests in Washington and be arrested, and you gotta realize wearing a hat and he's getting thinner and thinner from AIDS. And he literally still continued to go on marches and protests quietly and peacefully. And yet died a couple of months thereafter. But what might reminds me the most Richard About Arthur? was back in about nineteen eighty nine. I was in Hamburg Germany and got a phone call at four am in the morning from. New. York. And it was people magazine and they said we wanted to get your reaction to a quote from Arthur Ash. And his quote when asked you know was. Having, AIDS in America the worst thing that ever happened to you and he said absolutely, not in the quote was being born black in America. was worse than ever having aids and that was his quote. Which really stunned me understand he'd been on my Davis Cup Team Sixty, eight and sixty nine. We won the cup twice I retired and seventy and had been representing him. You know all those years eighteen nineteen years thereafter. John was very, very close to Arthur as a personal friend. He's the God. is a godfather of the daughter Alexandra. was was working Promo for me. So He's very warmly and I had never ever heard him say that. So I call him immediately after she hung up from Hamburg. Instead Arthur you're quoted the magazine is that accurate? He said absolutely and I said, do you really feel that being born in being born black in? America is worse than having AIDS he said absolutely. And I said well I really don't understand that we've been close for twenty years and you'd never conveyed that way. So when you come back to America let's sit down and talk about it. So I got back to New York about two days later and we had lunch. And he said to me dollar, you don't nobody who's not black can really understand a certain things. He said what acid Arthur that doesn't i. don't follow because you've never told me this we're close. And you're an all white sport tennis. And you know you, you really made a lot of money in endorsements more because you were black in a white sport in my judgment. And also had Michael Jordan and basketball, and we put him in in a Tuxedo. With a with a basketball trying to get beyond race and Jordan was a big seller. But coming back to Arthur I just said, well, I'm stunned to hear you say that and he said, well, let me explain why. And I'll never forget it. He said every single day. I. Wake Up. I have two more times most times. Adjust. To the people I'm meeting or talking or seeing that day. And you know I if I'm with a certain group I'm going to adjust the way. I act don't act because that's the way I was taught as a kid twelve, thirteen fourteen years old when I couldn't playing some of the tournaments because I was black. So if I was allowed into the tournaments when I was thirteen fourteen years old I wanted. To make sure Dr Johnson, who is my coach and told us how to behave he always said, you know be very careful not to offend people in the sports world because you won't be able to play. So I have always all my life adjusted my feelings or sentiments or personality some small some big all depending on the audience I was meeting with. And when he explained, it became pretty simple to me. He had doubts about presenting himself. As, an activist, we talk now that we quite blithely about the athlete is social activists and This is a new thing and he was doing as you say fifty years ago but there was a part of him. That was quite reluctant I. Am I right in saying that you know he was very shy in one sense I. Mean. You have to understand a couple of things number one. Many people misunderstood Arthur maybe for some quiet arrogance because he was very introspective, he was very quiet. And two things first by way of background. It was a speed reader at a photographic memory. and. He had an Iq that came off the charts. So he was a very, very intelligent person far more than many people might realize not just tennis player. So that was one one thing that you had to deal with and the other thing is. His caring about people. He had a philosophy right or wrong good or bad. His philosophy was people are all much more basically good than bad. and. He always felt that way and if somebody offended him and it happened quite frequently. He would just turn the other cheek. He would never go after him and it an attack in publicly and I was once with him I was we were called to a meeting and Andy Young home in Atlanta Georgia. And the late eighties and in the room where twenty-eight throw twenty, eight or thirty. Black leaders from the southern Christian League and from the remnant remnants. So the Martin Luther King Movement. But there are a lot of very young people I'd say most of them all under thirty and there about twenty, five, twenty, eight of them there and I was the only white person in the basement there of Andy home. And as they were all talking about how they should get more aggressive and outspoken in the leadership for full rights for equal rights on for blacks and was very clear and I wanted to go and listen. So Arthur took me with him. And I'll never forget in the middle of it a voice in the background. From Jesse, Jackson was about thirty thirty two then yelled out said, and they were all talking at different times, different groups and he yelled out brother Ash. Out publicly a lot more aggressively and loudly to get our cause better known. And Arthur I'll never forget said Jesse. The difference is I. Do it with my racket not my mouth and everybody laugh because Jesse was very outspoken and is a great leader for their cause but that's the way Arthur felt. L. That he would set an impression an example by the way he conducted himself and the way played on the court and he knew and understood the tennis was the platform. You know nobody's GonNa care what Arthur ash thought. If he was a fourth string baseball player and was not a professional athlete, you're not GonNa care what Arthur Link Dot constituency of Jesse Jackson they were they were urging him to be for. To be more. Weren't more aggressive and more outspoken because. What people asked him race questions which were always frequent. He would give a very quiet thoughtful response. But he wasn't banning the banged the table yelling out of freedom more freedom now or whatever black panthers or whatever, whatever have you. For example, these are real actual occurrences in my life with Arthur. And we we were approached at one stage to do a big luncheon the fair in Madison Square Garden for the Black Panthers. and. He he I said to them I'll do it. And I said Martha that makes no sense. This was when the rights were coming in after Martin Luther King was killed and I said that's that's a mistake. Why he said this way I feel he said because they're going to think you're Black Panther and you know the feeling. Generally in America's they're very militant very violent is a nobody's GonNa think of me as a Black Panther just because I do a luncheon for them and hosted a luncheon speaker and said, I think you're dead wrong Arthur everybody paint you that way. So I talked to him about two or three times. So I said, well, look if you want if you want to support the panthers because they're giving money to children and lunches and so forth they had some good 'cause I said, let's write him a check for fifty thousand dollars. And not do the Madison Square appearance. And he thought. And he's. Okay. I'll write dot the check. I'll follow your advice. Well, it turned out that the panthers never moved forward to have the luncheon. It's Kinda died a natural death and he did not write a check with that's the way he felt he wanted to support him. But he didn't want to be. Like a cheerleader leading their cause and I had some influence on that positively or negatively but. Are there, and I always had this very direct wonderful relationship. and so I was stunned by what he said in people magazine, but he honestly believed that and explained it. Cornel when you then fast forward to people like Michael Jordan Tiger Woods quite often they are criticized for not taking a stand on on the race issue and one of the reasons was their fear of the appeal. Their commercial appeal is that something that you are very conscious of in terms of the impact of making a stand on a political on. The race issue and how it impacts on how that goes down to Madison Avenue or in in terms of brand sponsors absolutely, very, very much. So in the makes by a couple of ways number one. The First Davis Cup match in nineteen sixty eight may that I ever was part of I was the captain the team we lost five years in a row when I took over the captaincy. And the first and Arthur Ashe grew up in Richmond Virginia his father was A. Part, part-time policemen, and a part time caretaker at this park called bird park. Word Park was huge public park with tennis courts and swimming pools no golf. And Arthur Ashe. Grew up playing tennis there. But he couldn't play any matches or tournaments. Because he was black. So the first match, I scheduled just happened to be against British West indies, which was an all black team and I scheduled it in. Byrd Park Richmond Virginia and we beat him five nothing. We could have beaten them with you and me Richard because we had a much stronger team. But I did it for a very limit purpose and Arthur came doing discuss it I said I wanna put it right in your backyard where you couldn't play because you were black. And the crowds were tremendous and the press was tremendous and we won the match five nothing which was not the point. But yes, we did some things like that very deliberately. And you spoke about a Michael Jordan is an interesting concept because Michael is I said the first marketing and advertising we did with him was to put him in a Tuxedo with holding a basketball because we wanted to try to see he was such a good name, a good person never dreamed and. He came out of North Carolina Nineteen eighty-four and I managed him for ten years it with pro serve in my office where I was president pro serve I signed in twice and assigned to Nike contracts with him. So I never but I never realized the enormity and how good he would become a how dominant he would become early on we started and suddenly. When Nike. Contract started selling shoes like hotcakes. In the state of North Carolina. A fellow named Jesse Helms was a very a conservative right wing really anti-black Senator, and there was a a a aggressive leftist running against the mood been the president of a bank in Charlotte. And he was black. And I said to Michael. Let's let's support him. and Michael said I'll give them money quietly to his. Campaign. But I don't WANNA be publicly involved in the famous quote, which is true. He said remember all Democrats, buy shoes as well as a republicans buy shoes, and so I I'd like to take a low profile but I'll support him financially. And over the years when last ans- came out this ten episodes a month or two ago. Apparently some the several of the black athletes. Criticized Michael because he had been political back in those days when he played. I never pushed him to be political because he didn't wannabe. Arthur did WANNA be. But at the same time, I was certainly aware of the differences I am not painting a picture of Michael at all. He just was very commercial thinking smart guy in his mind and he didn't want to ruffle feathers by taking positions. since that time and I think currently you know he's retired for twenty years now I think he is much more inclined to be outspoken and supportive of different. Political. Causes I I'm not close to Michael I don't represent him anymore but I. think that would be the case pro serve your first clients were authorized and Stan Smith she's not a bad I e clients in anyone's. Hands. You had people like Mark McCormack an I g were had been going before that they were sort of fifty, nine, sixty I guess and you're looking at tennis and they and he was very much focused on golf is that right? But some stage I imagine that the must've come head to head many times and mark was was ten years older than I? AM interested enough. He had gone to Yale Law School and he's worked at a big Cleveland Law Firm for several years and then he realized he wanted to start a company because in those days I started pro serve. You couldn't as lawyers you couldn't under the canons of ethics in the law you couldn't recruit client couldn't solicit clients you couldn't do endorsements you couldn't do advertising all that's changed now but in nineteen seventy. Mark was probably five or six years ahead of me and he had set up an organizing just started I am G, and of course, he had three great golfers in. Palm Gary, player and Jack Nicklaus. You don't get better hand to start something golf in those two three and he dominated golf in lots of ways. For the next twenty years. I had a head start with Arthur stand. In tennis and we were about five or six years behind him because he was older and it started sooner but I followed I want to be very clear mark to me was the Pathfinder of sports marketing, I, he and I together where the two earliest ones and we did it together and compete- competed all over the world At one stage where we were going very strong in the eighties and early nineties a proserve serve. We had sixteen offices all over the world because. Many of the Sports, certainly tennis and basketball or global. So we had Sydney with Paris. We had Hong Kong Los, Angeles we had sixteen companies, sixteen offices and about. A. Three hundred employees sports. Mark at the same time had a thousand. Employees in sports and twenty six offices. Why do I know those numbers because we were competing against each other globally? And in the process, our staff became very competitive with each other. We were the first to, and we were there the longest time and then he and I became good friends. we actually would meet. We saw each other socially quite a lot of the same places. In the sports world, but we secretly met every year twice a year, the hotel creole in Paris during the French. Open and it has a New York -partment or home in New York City during the US Open and it was, and we did this for about the last seven or eight years of his life. and. We would talk about all sorts of things trying to keep the two companies. Competitive not killing each other one. One thing that would come up for example was don't steal don't steal each other's staff. I mean, that was a big thing because it's hard to replace. This is all new and everything starting up, and if you had somebody who been working for you for a number of years, she didn't want to be poached by another guy coming in and the only two or us at that for the first I'd say, I don't know ten or twelve years and into the early eighties, it was really img in pro serve and so. He. And I became good friends. and. Later on in Nineteen eighty-five, we filed a lawsuit call against Call Volvo Los Lawsuit. Case. When they were the world sponsor of the Grand Prix Volvo. And they were doing what was called the men's a professional in the men's professional council, which was the forerunner runner of ATP today but it had nine members on it and McCormick and I joined partnership. With Volvo and sued the game because we thought they were passing restrictive rules and trying to get rid of play a player agents. In that period you've got McCormick was obviously a dominant figure. You've got people like Horse Tesla addidas. Is a was a formidable figure and obviously we have to talk about I'm wearing a pair of Stan Smith's at the moment. So we can have to just touch a touch on that but that you've been involved in two deals that the people always reference, which is the Stan, Smith deal and. The Nike Jordan deal. But what was Dassler? Like you you you you often say that he was the smartest guy in the room. Tim's of sport mucking got to know Horst officer very early on In the early seventy and and I'm very proud to. Sam. Ersan, you're GONNA ever meet Richard I had lunch with. Ati Dos and MS DOS or their his mother and father. And already Dahshur I idee, DA He actually started adidas by merging his own name Ati with with a dossier. And that's how you got the name brother was Puma right and his brother left went down by miles and guarded Puma to compete with Ryan US and they. beat ever since then but now horse was their son. And they had he had four sisters. And they were five children, the family and they all when when nurtured were Audie Dahshur died? He left all four -tural off five children equally twenty percent ownership in in the. US Business World. All the assets were left. Equally the company went was split up among the five them. Equally. And the four sisters three of them were married. And the husbands. They all it's it's a funny but true story and Herzog INARA, the headquarters for Adidas. They had five equal offices on the top floor model. And the husband started running of the business for the wives of the shareholders twenty percent, and that drove horse nuts and so he very quietly moved to lander shine. and inland or shine France. Buildup Ati dust, and very quickly. The family realized that he was I think a genius in sports marketing and I thought he always was the smartest and most able guy in two ways seeing an opening for marketing and then negotiating favorable deals he was both and so when he moved to land about five or years later. The her to still ran mainly Germany Audie dos but globally was run by Dahshur himself the son in France and he used to say to me I had to get out of Germany because I couldn't. I couldn't do anything I have to start my own company was owned company was part of Ati dos, and that's what really works strengthened the the company to to what it is today. So the Stan Smith deal was that straight endorsement deal or was that. I, mean, that's that's incredibly. Brand you've. Created here's what happened. I had never met Horst, Stan won Wimbledon in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two. About September, I got a phone call from a guy named worst Oscar. And he said I've been watching Smith. So I won Wimbledon I like him to endorse. A new leather shoe that I'm promoting in America. And I teasingly like smart Aleck said well, first of all, you can't you can't afford Stan Smith. Was My first comment just. That went down. Well, didn't he? Yes I can I can afford any athlete. And his deal was he had five new distributors in the United States. In Dita's clothing to mainly shoes. That was his main business clothes and apparel second secondary. And so I said well like to meet you and so forth. So we ended up meeting and talking and Stan came over in seventy three and we signed a contract. For Stan Smith to where an Adidas Leather Shoe was a performance shoe, which he then plate and wear or in Wimbledon, and the US Open in seventy four and other years thereafter. So he was playing shoe was knew about it was it was leather made. And it started out as the Robert Hi issue because I was a French Davis Cup player that had been on this you. And that was sort of. Rundown after about a year and it was changed over to the Stan Smith. Adidas shoe and it's been that same shoe and that same design for forty seven well, since nineteen, seventy, four or five. And the shoe evolved we've had. I would say I I like to be exact seven contract renewals with Adidas. Between Nineteen, seventy three. And two, thousand eighteen when we signed the the last Lady Stance Smith Shoe deal. which was phenomenal deal start Stein is still getting. Kit. Checks. In the post from death Oh. Yeah. He sure is in the new one thousand eighteen. Was a wonderful wonderful thing because it's the only contact I've ever negotiate which is They came to me and said, we want a lifetime contract. That meet. They said, we want it in perpetuity. We don't want it to ever end. So the contract. For stand for a Stan Smith today. Is a lifetime contract, which means it's if he dies his children. Take over if their children die. his State takes over. So a fifty years from now. God knows they were still making a Stan Smith Shoe. Or. A similar design of that stands Meshu someone in his State with a statewide perceiving royalty, the edge Jordan comparison is there a different structurally in terms of? The deal Air Jordan was dealing with Phil. Knight. It's totally different. I saw you gotta understand in both Arthur, Ashe's case for twenty three years. And Stan Smith Case for forty seven years. We've been on handshake. We had a one year contract in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, I had the Saint Louis were my first two clients I wrote a three page contract reach of than they were identical contracts each knew what the other. was and when that expired seventy-one. Because we were close friends, I mean, very close friends. They're both godparents are my twins. And so it was very, it was just a normal and we just. We never signed another. Employment Employment Contract or Contract we've been on handshake and. As. I say, I'm very proud of that because it tells you what kind of people. Are Thrashing Stan Smith were and are and Stan I san seventy three years old now. And we're still working on handshake. and. I'm very happy with that and very proud of that. But my point is that with dealing with Air Jordan and Michael, it was a totally different situation. Michael came out of North Carolina as a junior in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four. And the their their team Carolina just one the NC Double A. Championships in basketball beating Georgetown. University. In the finals. and Michael had one more year of. Graduation, it's at Carolina's senior and he wasn't really Dean Smith Call Me. On a Saturday morning. And asked me if I'd like to represent Michael. Jordan and I said sure coach I mean I didn't know how good he would become but I knew he was going to be a first round pick. And Michael, his mother were on the phone with coach Smith in that initial call, it was a Saturday morning and. As it Michael, how do you feel about each I'd like to finish school for a year my senior year. Coach tells me I should really come out. You have to understand in basketball in those days most players finished college before they went with the NBA it's changed a lot of leave after one year because the rules for joining the NBA ball change but. Now, the coach says coach. Dean. Smith says I should come out. So. He and his father flew up to my home and stayed overnight in my house here for two nights and that's how we sign Michael Jordan originally and couple things came out of that. Stay one I realized very quickly. How important is Father James Jordan was to him I mean they were really close I managed. Literally many hundred athletes over forty years and I never had. Many have come to my home and so I never had somebody come up with his father and stay for two days and I enjoyed that immensely and it gave me insight to Michael and he's very smart quick. Thank you I mean he wasn't a intellectual assets but he was great with people had a tremendous smile at a great smile engage. and. So when he came out of Carolina, they had been on converse shoes at Carolina. And we were talking all companies. Data's was very interested in him. We almost made a deal with Adidas for Michael. But two people from Rob Strasser and Peter More to employees from Nike Came into Georgetown in Washington to open a new Nike store you know and that was a big deal in Washington in Georgetown. Opened this mammoth Nike Store and so they wanted visit our office and talk about Sanni Michael Jordan. And I said sure. So they came in again it happened to be on a Saturday morning. and. We four of us met I was there it was in my proserve office David Faulk was my assistant who worked for me for eighteen years of pro surf and he was in the meeting with me and they're meeting was there to marking People Rob Strasser was. A CMO of Nike and a very strong. A seller great seller and Peter Moore, who ironically later on switched companies to Dita's feeder more became the president of Adidas Ten or twelve years later but at this point In late eighty four, they are in our office talking about September October when arguing for a Jordan line of products where he gets five percent on the on his name and they were arguing for Nike brand and they were still paying five percents, they didn't want to use his name as he wanted to develop Nike, which was just getting into basketball in a major way. And suddenly at in this conversation after about forty minutes of sort of arguing back and forth of what each wanted Peter More. Just. blurt out said, well, what about something? Like Air Jordan An interview stopped stunned. But Air Jordan was really created in a haphazard guess by a guy named Peter more saying, well, how does that sound? On the of US elected each other and said because my if you know Michael Jordan News a leaper, he was a jumper who he was only about six seven, but he could jump out of a building. And so his logo is the Jo Jumping Mike Michael. Jordan is the logo on the new. Not New now but on his company. and. So As a result, that's how Air Jordan really started. We signed a contract for five years with Nike that was normal endorsement contract. And then the second five years team we met with. Phil Knight who had gotten to know reasonably well Phil. Knight in those days in the nineties love tennis. And he came to Wimbledon every year because he had both Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras under contract. To Nike. So he used to come to the US Open and Wimbledon every year because of those two players who dominated for about ten years in in the sport. Particularly Sampras and didn't you meet him at Italian open there's a story that you were. You and your wives out and drunk. In. Rome. That is a true story. We it rained. We we were both at the Italian open is I'd say he was real tennis fan when he started. And And he and I went out with our wives in the. Rain. The match was cancelled in Italy and we started about I don't know five o'clock. We're GONNA have dinner and we just started drinking wine I'm not a very good drinker at all I don't much. But everybody was enjoying themselves beautiful scenery there in Rome. We high up on the hill there and and by about eight eight or nine o'clock. We were all pretty pretty loose in pretty I mean we certainly could talk and everything but we're all having a great time and it was a fun engaging. and. So a couple of years later when we got into renegotiate you, Michael's first contract. A David had been involved in talking with them Phil. Knight on behalf of pro serve and myself and and he came in and said, you know I'm really having trouble with Phil doesn't WanNa do anything. Do you mind getting involved and helping I know I know feel socially that's fine like call Phil. And he like I I'm not GonNa, I'm not GONNA do anything I don't know when we're going to extend this. This was early in the five years he hadn't finished. It's about the fourth year and I said look let's just agree. Filled the you come to. Chicago you bring one person I'll come to Chicago we'll get a suite at Hyatt in Chicago at two bedrooms you being. You being one bedroom we'll be in the other end. Let's just you and I agree that we never leave the room until we have a deal. Period and he said done I'll do that and so that's what happened and it took us about a day and a half and at one stage he got upset. And wanted to leave. And I said Phil that's not our deal. You gave me your word. We're GONNA stay to make a deal. And but to cause less confusion and so forth. I said to David and he added young lawyer with him and I said to both of them here's go out to dinner. Go to a movie and don't come back 'til twelve o'clock. Not GonNa let anybody until twelve o'clock by o'clock when they did come back. We had a deal for Michael Jordan a new contract. And that contract was phenomenal contract because. I Wasn't creative genius as just an idea that we had dame is name Ozan product and he got a five percent royalty on that. But Nike in basketball timing wise was taking off and selling and wanting to get into basketball a major way, and so quietly, we had another situation where he got a three percent royalty in a different bucket. For all the shoes in basketball that they sold in a given time period I think it was five years as I recall the term of the contract. And, of course, when that five years was over And the royalties were enormous. I was not involved at that time in the next contract David. Falk had left pro serve. Taken Michael with him. So he really was very involved in the next negotiation. After ten years, and in that situation, they signed a long term contract. Phil didn't WanNa pay royalties anymore what he wanted to start a new company with Michael. And in partnership and that companies called Jump Inc.. The reason I know all this because I was involved in the litigation with David and certain things he had to disclose when he left with Jordan, which obviously was a great blow to me. Personally and AM business wise. But in any event, the third contract created a company called jumping with with which is owned by Michael Ninety and. that's the jump logo and I think it's today a two billion dollar company. So that shows you a couple a couple things one how smart Phil Knight was the create a subsequent parallel company with Michael Jordan and it also tells you. Exactly how good a salesman at name value and person Michael Jordan is because I'm sure that the royalties and the ownership of that company fifty percent owners is what enabled. Michael. Divi the Charlotte Hornets today in the NBA but I'm not close to a Michael situation financially or business in more. So I'm I'm I'm speculating. SF fx were at the time they seem to be buying a whole load of different agencies that in fact David Folk did he not run at the end? Yeah. What he was in charge us effect I'm sorry who is that? I? Didn't hear it was David Folk in involve fx. No not really an later. What happened we sold the company brochure. an ESA VEX. Really, wanted to get into sports and they had a sports division, but they weren't doing that much but they were very very involved in music. And they had the largest shareholder. I'm trying to think of Bob's last name I think the minute. That the largest shareholder decided he really wanted to get into sports. So when they bought US that got him into sports pro sir. And after about three years with us. He decided he saw. Obviously all my assets and all my documents in pro serve. And he saw that in my continuing relationship I was involved with Michael Jordan financially long-term. And he called me one day and said On their free. Always happened on a Saturday Communist. Saturday and said. On Monday I'm. GonNa. Buy. Part of David Fox all of David Cau- Fox Company. because he has Michael Jordan a you had you had a piece of Michael Jordan and your asset, but he has the rest of them. I WanNa buy I think he bought him primarily for Michael Jordan. No question about that. My mind any I discovered that after he acquired protester. And certain confidentiality and things I can't get into but that's out of all of need saw that Michael. was part of my assets in pro serve when he bought us in a minority way and he wanted to buy majority in control and so two three years later and Michael Dominating phenomenally and in sports. And he what they fox company called a fame I, think what happens to an agency when it gets bought when private equity or or venture capital comes in and buys sports agencies, there is something that happens that the autism, the culture of the place. Do you think that's true? Do you think in because there sometimes that peculiar businesses in some ways on the player aged unique personal services of the leaders of the companies are very much of the culture. Now I think it's a it's a very good question because That's exactly what happens when when I sold S Fx. They, put me on the on the board to have you know have me involved the founder generally, you know the the the buyer wants first of all the buyer wants control. And he believes he can probably do it better than the founder in many cases. So he's buying the asset, but he wants you know at the level of numbers and so forth, he wants to run it or control it or what whatever you WANNA call it. And I know. That about a month or two after I had sold pro serve is on the board. Of the company that acquired it and and I, they wanted to get into sports and do some things I went to the first board me and I came back and told my wife will I finally realized that? I had three or four ideas, but they couldn't care less. They're really controlling interest and when when Teddy Forstmann bought I. Am Gene Market died obviously or he wouldn't have sold the company I don't think. But the culture does change because if you if you went and talked to different George, is a good one to start with. But if you talked to these various people Peter, Johnson Bob, Kane Andy Pearce, they are all people with IMG when they were sold to. Teddy, Forstmann. All of them would tell you if they're speaking bluntly that the culture change very quickly. And it, and it was much more business quarterly numbers you know and it was run like a private equity firm. And that change for a lot of these guys who have been there long time. Created? The certainly pro serve or the sport of. Managing athletes is based on relationships. Personal relationships not it's not based on contracts. It's not based on private equity is not based on quarterly numbers. It's based on a personal relationships, for example, mark McCormack had a tent. At why at Wimbledon for thirty years while he was still managed a lot of Wimbledon activities particularly in television. But people went there every year to Wimbledon they go out and have lunch his tent and he built enormous relationships particularly in in Europe. Not In America so much he had outlets as I did in the US Open and they were American, oriented but he was really strong in Europe and largely because of his ability to socialize and greet people. An an started with with Wimbledon, the US. Open, and that's how he built his business that all changes when a new guy comes in. And in his case, sadly he died so you wouldn't even asked to stay on most times they asked the chairman or the founder to stay on. For a limited period of time because they really want to run it themselves the other side of the business overseas with the clients and I'm always intrigued when I talked to sometimes interview gophers of a certain age who mon on about their agents. EMESA. They didn't make enough money for them. There's this sort of inevitable tussle about whether or not. They should have been. You Know I. could have been richer than I. Am I remember talking to Tony Jacklin. He was monia about McCormack's treatment of. Then if they're very successful, they go off and try and leave. The sort of mother agency is because Nicholas left McCormack on of Jordan went somewhere else where. So. It's quite difficult management process. I guess if you are in charge of all of that, when here's the here's the real problem with that for first of all. Tennis Golf. Are Two things they're global and their and their individual. That's totally different than representing a football player in the NFL or a basketball player. In the NBA or soccer world class player in the Premier League is totally different because those teams and and the negotiations are much different than they are in sports in golf and tennis because individual and so Thinking back to how this all on. Replays I mean you really have to understand the mentality of your client. And I, and I think it's gotten worse both golfing tennis today. From talent viewpoint They're really very spoiled by wonderful tremendous amounts of prize money in both sports now. And the top players that say I'm much closer in tennis but the top ten players top fifteen players. Are Making a fortune in tennis where the lesser players down the line are not making quite as much but the top players dominating and they're dominating with television with sponsorship. So they feel entitled Goff's the same way even more I mean look at Tiger Woods. He dominated the sport, and then he was out of it for five years. Now, he's back in it and he's still an enormous name I. Mean You'd love to have tiger woods as a client because you can sell them. Very Ver-, the name value is is tremendous in individual sports that where you know in the NFL today, there's a couple you know. Tom Brady is a great name and for the new, England patriots now moved to Tampa Bay but you've got five or ten or fifteen. Great names in the NFL but in in tennis and Golf, you've probably got. Ten to fifteen in each sport, you got thirty or forty names, and then you bring the women into a Serena. Williams's a fabulous name value the cell. So it's a different kind of thing you really have to understand. And and the problem is that. When you're let's say you have an individual agency you're I am your pro serve and you guys been working with you for seven years. I'm just making this up. For seven years, he's got all the contracts and all the contacts and your. Rolodex is all those things are available. He's working with you together and you've been in it twenty years. He's been in seven years, and then he comes to you and says. Gee Now you know I really WanNa go out on my own start, my own company and a really appreciate all you've done for me. You done a great job for me and I've learned so much I now want to do it on my own. And you say, well. You try to keep him discuss it with them and argue with him whatever that he decides to leave, and then you find out two weeks later, he wants to take four or five or your best clients. Nobody goes out starts their own business agent without wanting to steal your clients and that's exactly what it is. So it's very tough business. And certainly, you know I'll never forget mark. McCormack. Calling me one day and said, this is the happiest a moment in my career. Wise at Jack. Nicklaus is just decided to come back. We're only be limited stuff for him, but it's great to have him back. And I'm sure he felt that way. I would have felt the same way with Michael if he'd come back you know but I didn't I didn't recruit him there after a different a different era different sport different money but it's just you really have to understand the personal involvement that you get with golfers and tennis players because one on one individual sports is much more personal than. Who? If I was to guess which client gave you the most trouble would it be? Jimmy Connors. O'Connor's was was kind of like an outlier one off is is Jimmy Connors actually? was never a member of the ATP and I was one of the founders. Sued Me Jack Kramer and Arthur Ashe in nineteen seventy five we're in a lawsuit from Connors and of course, he played Arthur in the finals at. Wimbledon. In one and Arthur one when he was sixteen to one down the bookies anyone the match for sets so I was stunned surprise when a couple of years later the congress bone NSAID said, would you like to represent Jimmy Connors, my son. And to be honest I before I accept that I called Arthur and stand. And because they had strong feelings and I said, how do you all feel about me representing Jimmy Connors? And I remember Arthur Said sort of careful careless care all of free country and you need you wanted to get us a great client. You WanNa. Do it that's fine. Stan was not so easy. He said, no I. I never respected Connors that much and I. You know I'd like to forget about a little bit more and so we talk some more. So I if they both said, no, no, no, I probably wouldn't have that. Jimmy. But. They never end the MRS conners Never Niche Mrs Connors was the boss. Jimmy was a great great talent. He used to call Gloria is mom I would say once or twice or three times a week. So she was the boss and in pro serve. We had the head of my tennis division was very good smart lawyer named Ivan Bloomberg. And he became Jimmy Connors Day to day manager and Gloria Connors was my client and I worked. Out and Carlo because she was the boss believe me. And GIMMIE. Jimmy's turn false I. mean he was with me for nine years a one, the US Open again Easily this is what people forget. He was the best ticket seller in men's tennis for ten years in America. Was this question about when people love to see Jimmy Connors for all his rape play for all of his antics Attitude that the problem. That I used to try to overcome was his mother taught him sort of coming up that the world was against him that he had to beat everybody somehow motivated him. And so I inherited that when when I started representing him and so. I could never quite convinced him. Jimmy Connors today are very good friends he called I called him. He called me to represent him in a in a Casey's got right now as an expert witness I've never done that for anybody any case I've accepted him because I. I really liked Jimmy and took me nine years to get close to him. As a as. A one off he's not lie. He feels you know that he was on his own and he was independent. He didn't want to be in the players union he didn't. So that's just always the way he's been but I mean, for example, I called him I don't know six months months ago right as Pandit pandemic was heating up back in March and I asked him, would he mind sending an email to a fella who was professional of pro on the tour trying to make the Jewish black he was in the hospital. And very sick, and and he his hero was Jimmy Connors because somebody had called me and told me that it was one of the family members of the boy was sick. And I said Jimmy would you mind shoot him an email pepin him up and he said, no, no call him. Give me his number. Call them in the hospital. Three. Months four months ago. A called him and he really pepped him up this. Jimmy Connors was hero. He never dreamed. He'd be speak into it and it really helped him a you know in his in his in his medical situation because it lifted his spirits and. Did that off Jimi was great with sponsors. Jimmy could turn it on turn it off he he was. But. It was really I think a great competitor and in one of his you know in some ways, one of his faults if any was that I don't think sometimes. He saw the big picture. In Tennessee politics but so what he cared about one thing winning. And that's what he did. Best. Remember he won the soap and four or five times. Wimbledon the only tournament he never won was the French Open. and. The year he had the best chance where he won the three other slams. he couldn't play at Wimbledon. Excuse me. Didn't. He couldn't play at the French Open because he hadn't joined the ATP and that led to a lawsuit sleep shot trade. The president of French was extremely close to Jack Kramer the founder of ATP and they were inseparable good friends both the same age both knew each other extremely well. And Connors ad I think signed up with world. Team. Tennis something is ancient history now but fleet just didn't accept his entry and connor sued the ATP because he felt Jack was behind it because connors wouldn't joined the ATP that led a lawsuit and seventy five and the finals of Wimbledon Arthur is the president of ATP play, Jimmy Connors, which you well know. We'll see we'll questions for you for you go. One is is Is there one that got away from me one, the talent or a player and athlete you really really coveted as A. As a client and you just couldn't get over the ninety wouldn't. Is Not hard to figure the answer that the name is Michael. Jordan. He got away with an industry. I had eight or ten people working on Michael. Jordan. Stop anywhere. Richard. It was. It was an easy one. I should've I should've preempted that. It was a and finally is there anything you know for certain? What's what's the? There's lots of IFS and buts and Lockin. But is there anything you've learned over the years? Fifty years since pro serve? Launched is there anything you know for certain? Well I think a couple things I think. Like Arthur Ashe's think there's much more good in people in bed. I, I do believe today and talking about. the racial issue in America. That today's trend is far far deeper and greater than many people realize certainly anybody outside of America would realize it when you have the New, York Yankees wearing all black when they walk out on the first game this year and when you have all the NBA players aggressively speaking out about racism black and white players it started with Cabernet but I really do believe if he had lived longer. Arthur would have been very strong leader in races and then fighting racism because that's what he believed in. That's what he did. He just did it earlier I wish I thought this is just my bias that Arthur was the forerunner. To President. Obama. President Obama was very much like Arthur. Eat tremendous reader be rear. He was he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review that it never happened to. African American before and I think Arthur and. President Obama would have been good friends. Arthur always wonder run in New York Not Virginia for politics and he just died too young but if there's I'm not really answering your question if there's one thing I have learned is These athletes while spoiled. The great ones are really good people. I used to introduce Arthur in Stan wherever they win. The. Following these are. Great people who are very good players. And that's what I really believe. As. A lovely place to end Donald. Thanks very this is our one hundred podcasts and. I couldn't think of a better guess to come on and celebrate that. So thanks very much for your time. We really appreciate it. As you can tell, it certainly enjoyed talking with you and I hope to see next we're Wimbledon we'll have a drink. Let's let's. Let's do that. Okay.

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Tennis Re-Lived: Arthur Ashe

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Tennis Re-Lived: Arthur Ashe

"Hi this is Marion Bartoli. Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo. I'm stunned Rohingya. An Lleyton Hewitt I'm andy. Murray. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Hello and welcome once again to the tennis podcast and our second if two special tennis relived US Open relived episodes the first of them focused on out the Gibson and hope you've listened to and enjoyed and appreciated that and we hope you feel exactly the same about this episode about a man. Just, as important and significant to tennis and sporting world author Ascherman whose legacy. Lives on in the Tennyson sporting world and a man who. Both literally and figuratively looms over the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center of course, the the stadium. The biggest Tennessee Diem in the world is named after often the author stadium and there's also. The statue of bearing. One of his many many famous poignant quotes from what we get. We can make a living from what we give however. We. Make a life. Googling Great Arthur Ashe quotes by the way. Is quite an experience. It Stephanie Not a one pager it's seven pager at minimum. He was he was a man with. An incredible turn of phrase and credible skill with a tennis racket ending an incredible legacy. In the sport. And I think more. So than without fear Gibson whose history I was really not familiar with to to any degree Arthur ash. I feel like I did know quite a bit about coming into this. Certainly I. Was Alive during the period of his suffering with having contracted HIV AIDS in the late eighties and early nineties in his subsequent passing in the naming of the stadium. The Arthritis Stadium. And that meant that I was able to to go back in time and understand some of his history at the time but certainly preparing for this particular podcast really opened my eyes and I think the and openly is to listening to the stories of all the people that we've spoken to. As part of this journey we've got Matt's research into our thrashes. Well, she's. Just exhaustive as far as I can see, and I feel like we have an opportunity here for the many people that have that certain knowledge of him like I do to really build on that and for people that really know him by the name being on the stadium the Arthur Ashe stadium it's a chance to really discover y that man's name is on that stadium. Yeah I. Don't know about you might be three. This focus on Arthur ash. Now, it emphasizes for me kind of what we're saying the end of the gives them put cost a the importance of things like the naming of stadiums, they these naming memorial opportunities but also how insufficient they are, how, how, how, how they just it's not enough to put someone's name on something and think, okay job done with sufficiently remembering him an acknowledging his contribution because I know the name I know that he won the US. Open. All I knew the name that he won the US Open. I knew that he was a great activist and I I thought and enough because you know we say his name a lot but a definitely didn't know enough. And I'm glad to say hopefully we do. Now we're going to show that we need today. Yes quite a daunting podcast to do in in in some respects because it's almost impossible to do justice to the man he was and hopefully. Hopefully we will. But I mean the first time I became aware of Arthur Ashe was obviously knowing about his name on the stadiums I definitely do agree that it is so important that those. Those things exist in the sport and actually I, remember the one time I went to the US Open I found myself sitting on the stadium watching not a great match between Mindy Dennis Chiappa Valova mind was wondering and I thought what? What do I know about our thrash I actually sought out the bookshop that they have the US. Open on site and I, and I. Did, I went to. I went to find one of the books that was very useful for this research talking about his final in seventy five against Jimmy Connors. So I do think those those kind of little. Well I mean it's a big tribute ready to authorize to put his name on that stadium and they do help us. But equally, we have to play an active role in that and we have to go and search for more information ourselves and what I would sound thrashes. As soon as I began reading about him, I just wanted to read more and more more and I ended up. I ended up going getting a little bit carried away and reading a how. How how many days did it say you to read these six hundred page biography Arthur Thrash Matt I think I read it in five days? It was it was an awful lot of extended periods, yet it's been a deep dive even by your standards maps. And everyone should be salivating at the prospect of that because the research has been. Quite something formidable to behold. And there's certainly a lot to behold from the from the forty nine years of our thrashes arthritis life he was he was born in Richmond Virginia in nineteen, forty three the son of a policeman. And of course, he was born into a world where is strict restrictions were. Placed upon him everywhere. He turned places he couldn't go things he couldn't do Because of the color of his skin that was just. Reality. The people born into that world that time? and his mother died when he was six years old and I mean goes without saying that that would be a four hundred experience for for any child. But he is he's spoken. He spoke so much in his life about how just how formative that that was for him how much that impact is his every approached to the world And one of the quake, the dog out might which I can I can barely bring myself to repeat. About the death of his mother was terribly insistently acutely aware of an emptiness in my soul that I knew she could have failed. And I'm sure I'm sure anybody that's lost apparent. I'm probably at any time, but certainly in childhood can probably relate to those words but. Is just. Desperate sadness desperate sadness in those words I listen to an interview this morning with authorized from Nineteen eighty-four. A BBC radio four interview cold in the psychiatrist's chair with Dr Anthony Clare and he? All the way through the interview, his mother would come up as part of everything informed his decision making and his response to things and how he viewed life. and. Yeah. He he he said it had just an incredible offense on him and he he he had therapy and in order to try to understand why he behaved in thought things the way daddy said, he said what happens to a young boy when they lose them the age of six is that they block out all of the years that led up to that. So he says I have very few memories of that time because because it had such an effect on me. It's it's something that is touched upon so much. Isn't it my in in Raymond also news biography of evolved that you've read and? And how significant was in his his evolution is tennis play Raymond said tennis became the antidote to his melancholy and it became sort of quite well known didn't it? The the authorize used to get up and hit was thousand bulls before breakfast every morning he there all these recollections of him being this. This man sort of driven by some sort of a the`real force that people couldn't quite understand all go get a handle on and then. Even then even when he had turned to tennis, he then had to face the obstacle of tennis being a notorious, the elitist and racist sports. Honest. I mean he grew up in in Richmond and the Best Club in Richmond with the best course was but park and authorize shoes. This incredibly promising junior player was was never allowed to play. And he would tell stories about how when he when he became famous people would come up to him saying, Oh why I saw you playing bird part when you were younger and and he would know they were lying because he never played that and that was because of you know he was he was in the South Jim crow laws for in and he wasn't allowed to play. He was able to play in the park where his as you said, his father was the kind of. Gatekeeper of that park and he was able to play there. But all throughout his his childhood he was, you know he had to confront this and I think he was to. A little bit too young to be angry or embarrassed about that. But he did talk about how it leaves the skulls bruises on your psyche and he came to think of the world is this. As the segregated place anytime to think of his place as inferior compared to other people and I think this I think his childhood is incredibly. Important. As most people instead of shaping him and turning him in to the man that he was. Grow Up to be as this as this incredible guiding light and activist. Yeah friend who did the doesn't do about the Jim Crow laws. I'm sure all of our listeners in the states student and many elsewhere they were. They were the state and federal level laws in the US which legally enforced. Racial segregation segregation across across the south. which, of which, the state, of Virginia was apart. And, yes, they started to be road back in the early fifties I think in fifty four was when. It was declared unconstitutional the the public school state schools. Could enforce segregation, but it wasn't really until. The Civil Rights Act and if. Eight nine hundred sixty four and the voting rights act of nineteen sixty five. So you know when Arthur ashes well into his tennis career that the the Jim Crow laws were were officially legally. overruled he spent his whole childhoods. Legally legally segregated. LE- legally second-best to his his his white peers and even when he went off to college on the West Coast you went to Ucla He. There was a story that he was dating a white woman and the White Woman's mother refused to let our thrash into her house. Because he was black and that was the kind of racism that he had to confront not only growing up in Richmond and he thought that going out to the West a little bit of a an escape from all that and yet it was still there in his life at that stage and yeah, I just thought it was. Just an incredibly powerful tile of what he had to overcome. He was the first African American to receive a scholarship for college tennis. He went to Ucla He was also offered a place at Harvard, scholarship place at Harvard. But elected. KTLA. But his progress to that point was helped. Immensely by somebody that we had lost about in the out the Gibson podcasts Dr Johnson. Walter Johnson he sets up this I suppose now you would call it and academy. For fee young black players and they used to to travel the country and get them into competitions in and try and try. Talent sports. People that kids could be like authorized out. The Gibson were trail blazers and flag bearers for. Black athletes and. Yeah, YOU DUGOUTS A. Video made by the F. Each made by the tennis shown David's presented by America relate today about doctor. Johnson and the attempts at the moment to to rebuild and sort of immortalized the well his academy. Because it is it is such an important piece of tennis history and it was his nephew the had taken a on in in honor of him and the USDA had invested money to try to get the entire setup renovated, which was a single court at heart. It was a single court when when it began and that's what Dr Johnson invited and. Produced players from and Alcyone. Gibson being one author rash another and this interview I had with author earlier today. He talked about being a prolific reader of biographies and somebody who would pick out moments made people in their lives and he said that moments made me because if I had not been spotted on a tennis court by Dr, Johnson at that particular point in time, he just happened to be walking by and he saw me play. And I got my opportunity and that led to him being produced as a tennis player or brought along my guys to the interview we did with no or a few weeks ago and it was author ash spotting Yannick Noah on his tour. Of Cameroon and and bringing him over to to France, and suddenly we've got a guy who has won the French Open and it's done all the things that Yanic knows done and these moments in time. And Doesn't Dr Johnson from. We've heard about and read sound the most extraordinary person. Absolutely, and we're lucky to have to speak into a couple of people that that had the pleasure nor any. If if meeting also meeting Dr Johnson as well. We're GONNA hit I rem. From James Blake. He as you know by too few weeks ago about a number of issues but I mean authorized with an immense influence on his life increase delays authorities autobiography with cool days of Grace famously and James Blake. published. His book a few years ago cooled ways of grace. Obviously. echoing in tribute to a man that was hugely influential on his life. An US? We'll hear now at a at an extremely fundamental level and influence on his life. Are credited him indirectly with getting into tennis because he got he's the the inspiration from my dad getting into tennis and my dad wasn't into tennis. So I don't know what about my mom and I don't know if I would have been around and then I wouldn't have been obviously as interested in in tennis if my dad wasn't so so passionate about it. So and then when my dad taught me more about him obviously, I, was too young to really watch his matches except Santa a little bit on video later but So. For him I as I learn more about him, I got more and more inspired. My my dad taught me about him the way he conducted himself the factory valued education the way that he fought for for human rights throughout his entire career is probably better known for what he did for humanity even more. So than just being Wimbledon champion is was always hugely inspirational to me and. I kinda always thought about the fact that he when he was on top of the world or when he was in dire situations, you always thought about others I and that's something that makes a that makes someone a hero not being extremely talented and working hard and on the on the practice court and being a great champion. That's that makes someone impressive but really to kind of. Ball all it's being a hero is you know at the time when he was on top of the world, he's fighting to the radical apartheid from South Africa and using his voice platform for that, and then when he stricken with HIV AIDS, instead of using his wealth than using his celebrity to to make his life easier at that time, he tried to help others that are in tougher situation. that to me shows shows the true character of of an absolute hero. and. There's a lot in that we will be picking up on the of this podcast, his relationship and traveled to to south. Africa is incredibly tragic and untimely death and and his legacy in terms of. Activism and and athletes in tennis by his involved and activism but just to stay on the chronology of it all and. And the significance of Dr. Johnson. In in the development of if authorisation many other black players where we're going to hear from from Lucielle now. They had time. They didn't coincide with author. She also spent some time. Dr Johnson's academy. And she had firsthand experience if if the man and exactly how influential he was, we call them Dr J. Dr Jay's one court and his house of Foursquare House. If the lot was one hundred by one, hundred, all of this magic happened on that one court in that one space. so Dr Johnson was the head of the junior development. So any aspiring or top junior player was sent to his house, his his camp most people went for the summer, and then it was a lesson in had an advocate this world. So you had desert and time and have table manners. Weren't allowed to go off the property of his house essentially all these rules regulations that he had around US training, and what we did was to keep these children safe because they were traveling in the deep south in the sixties. and. So for me. He talked about how? When, how your demeanor on the court was essentially stoic And if a ball landed close to the line and you weren't sure it was in without a doubt. Was the ball was in so All of these things which seem to be onerous or difficult to a kid. I was probably eleven therefore a couple of weeks I didn't I didn't travel. I realized. He made it tough for us so we could survive him. When we got out into the world, whatever our world was going to be, it was going to be kate because nobody hit challenged just like Dr J.. And we heard a little bit about this. The Gibson didn't mean that that quote that Johnson was preparing them for world didn't want them. He was preparing them for a white world. He was drilling into them. They didn't have the luxury. The privilege of being able to question line cools because they wouldn't be treated fairly they would and they would be categorized as an angry black person he they were to to. To turn the other cheek no matter what injustice they were facing inside the lines of a tennis. Cool. All R- outside of them that the aim of Dr Johnson's to produce tennis players that were too good to be ignored by a world that. That wanted to try and ignore them. And I think in all the reading you do about after action whenever you hear him talk you hear that influence come through the way even if he might be raging inside even if he might be doing the most. Significant activism possible. He's doing it in a manner that he will not allow anybody to take shots at him as a result of his Mana will never be called into question whether he's on the court whether is. in life. Has the same disposition and it seems to all come from this rearing by Dr Johnson and that was something his father told him as well. He said what you've got is your good name and you and you need to maintain that and Just just on Dot Johnson that I was, I was pleased to read that he was posthumously inducted into the tennis hall of fame in two, thousand, nine, I think. So at least his very, very significant contributions have been recognized in that way as well. Yeah. Works to. Salvage and restore in immortalized the his academy of our ongoing say Kademi as Lizzie Allen described that it was just one court, one cords and kind of A. A A yen adjoining house Extraordinary So yeah, he pauses under Dr Johnson's Cheech Lidge he becomes the first African. American to receive a college scholarship. He goes to UCLA which of causes is where Jackie Robinson had gone. He was in the closet if nineteen, forty, two and Ucla had kind of pride. So prided itself on being a pioneer for creating african-american athletes it still wasn't It wasn't equality equality if. If ATHL- athletic students by any means, and it was very much more sort of headlines. Just without. Will let one black person in shout and scream about how we're letting black people in wasn't like that it's a little bit certainly better than nothing And he was playing. Grand Slam tournaments while in Amateur Ucla it's something that I hadn't realized the tool it was before tennis became open in in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty eight but he was a UCLA students entering Grand Slam tournaments its first US nationals which the tournament that would end up becoming the US Open was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, one, nine, hundred, fifty, nine sorry and he faced Rod Laver in round one. Yeah He. And he lost in straight sets, but it was interesting because I think he knew that that was what he wanted to do. He was obviously training hard for it, but he didn't know that it would bring about any kind of financial or professional security or employment because as you said, tennis tennis wasn't open yet. So he wasn't sure that he was going to even be able to make a living out of tennis at. That stage and yet he was still as you said, studying college going around playing Grand Slam tournaments a completely different world. It's quite difficult to kind of get your head around the sort of balancing act that would have to go on when that was happening, but it was it was normal the time and he and he was doing it and Charlie Pasarell, who is his close friend that Ucla was also doing it and It's kind of extraordinary to think now. Have, been the coolest guy at college. I'm just off to play the French Open back into weeks well, if I D well back in two weeks. Yeah, extraordinary had no I had. No I did. That I was I was aware that he was the the first man to win the US Open in the opener but I had no idea he'd been. Toiling, away on the tour amateur still say Juggling College studies with all for for many many years before that. He became the first black player ever selected for the US. Davis Cup team in that was in nineteen sixty three's that was five years before before he won his first Grand Slam and that was the the US Open in nineteen, sixty eight the very first ever open-air winner. If the US Open and of course, when he won that tournament in order to maintain that Davis. Cup Eligibility. Anti time away from from G. T., to to play the most significant tournaments author which required to maintain his amateur status. I'm because of that, he couldn't accept the fourteen thousand dollars if prize money for winning the US Open and that prize money was instead given to to Tomioka the man he beat in the final while while Oth- receive just twenty dollars a day expenses. For his win. It's extraordinaire isn't it to think about that? Now when you consider they're getting three million dollars, whatever it is to to win the US Open did you think he had to submit receipts? Expenses. Subway tickets. At least Lisa thrash went on and straddled those areas, and again, we brings you back to one to to listen to those healthier Gibson stories. Again of of how that was her life that was her tennis experience of just not being able to any money. Let's. Let's hear a little bit more about that USA pin win in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight, and let's hear it from. From one of Tennessee's great historian Steve flink that that Ma, his has been talking to. and. For FESTIVA author thrash with incredibly instrumental to him at a very important time in his life. Be inspired me a lot. I mean again I, I started watching the mid sixties. Arthur was arthur was starting to peak. I think the I sorta major step toward his peak was nineteen, sixty five and that was the year that I was. I had seen my first Wimbledon and my first US championships. The summer of sixty five as I was. Twelve turning thirteen and. Arthur, made this great run to the semifinals up at four stills and I watched him beat Roy Emerson which is a big win and. It was he was so exhilarating to watch. He was the the his game was so dynamic and and so He was very adventure. Semi was his spectacular shotmaker with this Wonderful backhand. He could do anything he wanted his back inside and hit the most flamboyant winters he had. He had a great serve, which again was the anchor of his game, and so you you didn't always know what was coming. They were streaky patches. This combination of this explosive game that he had? And then the STOIC personality I found it kind of irresistible I love the fact that he was so cool. So composed and yet. Spoke so loudly with his racket expressed himself. So beautifully with his racket where the types of shots the attempted to hit. So yes, I mean that was a big deal for me personally, because sixty five was my baptism with the game you might say, and that was when that sort of led me toward the career I was going to have. became so immersed in it, and that was the year that I started falling at the with sort of religious fervor and he he played a major role in that I was inspired by watching Emerson Win Wimbledon that year but I think Arthur was particularly inspirational figure and he remained so in the years to come and I would later get to know him pretty well also but That summer sixty five no doubt. He played a pivotal role for me. And how did the crowds react to him when he was playing? Was it similar similarly inspired as you do you think? Yeah I I. Think the clouds loved him I think the clouds loved them. Again there was there was this sort of a mystery of what was going to happen next because you know he wasn't afraid to fail in the sense that he would go for it. He would he would Sometimes try shots that were against the you know weren't necessarily percentage shots. Layers career became a little more percentage oriented by the early to mid seventies but. He he was just so daring. He was so audacious with what he was trying to do on the court. and. So the galleries they did respond to that end because he comported himself so beautifully. the crowds especially, the American crowds were wholeheartedly with them. They loved archer. And he won the first US Open, the Open era. What are your memories? Yes he did. That was so memorable that first US Open of sixty eight because there was, he was seated fifty was considered a prime candidate for he was considered. Prime would be the wrong word he was he was given an and more of an outside chance to win but the prevailing view that Labor Rod. Labor. Won Wimbledon Ken Rosewall. John Newcombe. Who was the WHO had won the last amateur van and sixty seven lot of these guys were th the Australians especially when they were the heavy favorites and Arthur they had a great summer and I'd been in the semi finals of Wimbledon was giving a a reasonable chance, but it didn't look that good because. He was going to have to play Labor. the top seed. You know it just worked out number one versus five in the quarter-finals there were slated to play, but then cliff drysdale. Who would come out of South Africa is now a renowned commentator living in the United States and great two handed back in cliff upset Labor in five sets and that opened up everything for ash because he loved playing Drysdale. That matchup was far more favorable to him than than playing the left-handed Labor, and then he went on to beat his Davis Cup team-mate Clark grader in the semi he beat Tom Aqua The Netherlands in the final art there was still an amateur at that time. So he couldn't take the prize money some some nice people with. What he did try to send him some money later on, they wanted him to have the money, but he couldn't take the way the money, but it hardly mattered in a way because what he had done to ignite American tennis by winning the first. US Open against the odds. And probably against his own expectations was was just spectacular. Yeah just an an absolutely dropping spectacular moment. In Tennessee history, I, obviously. Not even. David Law was born at that time, right? But I. I do get the feeling that it was a moment that was seen as such at the time. It's not something I mean obviously it's grown in significance overtime as well as as Arthur became even more significant not just as a tennis player but is an activist and all of that and everything came come after is enhanced it but I, get the impression Matt that this was a world stops turning jaws drop. Everybody pays attention moment at the time in one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight. Yes I really think so and I think it was also enhanced by the fact that Ash beat as Steve linked set their clock grabner in the semifinals and that became. The story of that match became a book called levels of the game written by John mcphee, which is. which is seen as one of the sort of great feats of journalism. Really of sports journalism because I was reading the Joe mcphee sat down for hours with both Clark and our thrash both incidentally great blouses whereas it was a, it was a match of both players wearing glasses and he sat down with them both and sort of went over the match with them and got their thoughts and he just presented this incredible profile of that matches. As contrast really and it became very well known avai significant. An author ash became became very big as well and I love the enthusiasm in Steph links voice there when he talks about. Because, he's obviously a very passionate tennis man stifling, but he's he's interested in the numbers, the statistics and the records, but to kind of, Hey, him get quite emotional talking about our thrash I found was really quite touching and probably an indicator just how significant ashes rise was and how transformative it was for people watching him I watched some of the footage of that final before we started recording just. To try to get a feel for it and and that's what I think. You're describing in a way as you say, Steve Was Greg Putting things into perspective in terms of the significance, the statistical significance of various records and achievements. But as you say, there's more to him than that and when you watch shark thrash, you can understand why he gets people why people end being drawn to watch him because. You don't know what's coming next when in that final, you're watching some of the shotmaking and the is the thoughts Aussie emanating from him to his rackets and the things he's able to do. He's he was a spectacular sight I didn't realize quite honestly how Imaginatively tennis player was and what A. Dynamic player he was. Very. Athletic Powerful. And you know I'm coming I'm coming to get you with my game and it's It was fantastic to watch. He he put together a seventy two and ten win loss record for that year in nineteen, sixty eight, and he hoped the USA to to win the Davis Cup. As. Well, and of course, as we've heard he, he had to maintain his amateur status in order to to maintain his selection for for the Davis Cup and he went on to win subsequent Grand Slams. He won the Australian Open in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. So bit of gap before he won his his next one and three beat decreed in the final there, and then there is a gap before he wins his next one and that comes at Wimbledon in nineteen, seventy, five and we're going to hear now from Amman. The say contributed to our Alpha Gibson put cost of course, Richard Evans who he of course recalls the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight USA win. But even more than he recalls his Wimbledon Win in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five saying as you hear now that that for him was his greatest ever moment. His moment of tarring Lori was beating Jimmy Connors Wimbledon and nine hundred seventy five. I'm in. That was the. Single most. Intellectually. Interesting match ever see. Because he played totally contrary to his style Jolly Throw Donald, Dell, and he. Attached to the playboy club, which was one block COUPLA roads from the Hilton Pot game those days and was. Sort of hang out some of the players and the night before they went out and had dinner an unplugged victory and they give me commas that year. following on from his nineteen seventy four when he was winning everything was considered to be invincible in the locker room. No one saw. they could beat in. No one gave up any hope because he'd Austin lost to connors and Connah's was on the five and people said, well, you know be lucky to get a set and he went out there and played completely different. to He ever played before or again, he just took all the pace of the ball. And lobbed and Dropshot, and softball, and pushed and inked and Jimmy who was a small man and couldn't generate his own even with that desperate racket he played with. Wilson t two, thousand he needed the power of his opponent. To hit winners and suddenly he had nothing to play with. And especially on the with these left hand grip. If you got him the net and Dink Tim low on the forehand side. He literally could not get the ball in play. It either went into the net or it went long. It was Ju- geometry if you if you got it in the right place, he could not volley the ball back into the opposite cold. And that's what I did frequently and Jimmy was completely bewildered. lost. The first set straight usually came back and won the sudden and that that was when authors it's. Incredible sort of intellect and bring PA and and. character came into because. Having lost the third set a lot of people would have panicked and reverted to the norm. You know, Oh, my God it's not anymore. Let's go back to playing tennis the way I know how? He didn't he didn't panic and he just went on softball him and he fell apart or ever again. And Jimmy was was suing author and Donald L. and the ATP game time Kit with the moment of considerable celebration. Yeah we'll just to fill you in on the the the details that that Richard referenced at the end. Oth- rash was was instrumental in the founding of the ATP. Of tennis professionals in Nineteen, seventy two and he became the association's President in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, four. So year before this Wimbledon final against Jimmy Connors at which time ash and connors relationship was raw strain because connors was suing the ATP of which Ashes President for ten million dollars for what he alleged was restraint of trade. Of. The and French officials opposed. His. Entry to the nineteen seventy four French Open? Because he was contracted member of World Team Tennis. And just two days before the start of Wimbledon in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five been announced that connors. With. Suing ash for himself a five million dollars for comments in a letter acid written to ATP members in his role as president that criticized Connors insistence that Davis Cup captain Rolston should be fired and corn is unpatriotic boycott if competition which started after Olson, left him out of the team against the West indies Jamaica in March of Seventeen T. On final day on Finals Day ash pointedly, and symbolically will red white and blue response throughout the match and more. His USA emblazoned Davis Cup WARMUP JACKET WHILST WALKING OUT ONTO Centre Court and during the awards ceremony while receiving the trophy and a winners cheque for ten thousand pounds. Seen after the final connors dropped the libel suit I. Love the fact that he is suing him for five million dollars when ashes only picking up twenty three thousand for winning winning Wimbledon. So that money coming from. That jackets iconic those in it. I'd I had never I had never watched that final against communism fortunate. The the full final is doesn't seem to be available I've watched snippets of it here and there, but I knew that image of our thrash in. USA Jacket Yeah it's It's wonderful image tonight she. Is About a twenty five minute highlights package that Wimbledon puts out of that final and it was really something to watch back to back the sixty eight us. Open. And then the seventy five Wimbledon and to see the difference with how ash plays and The only thing I can liken it to is is, is something you see more on? In clubs and parks where one player just isn't playing pretends that the other player but he's beating you, you're trying to play properties and the other players just trying to lob you and dinkiest and Msu about and not play normal tennis but he's doing your the highest level imaginable successfully on Wimbledon's centre court to beat Jimmy Connors and I. It's just. I mean you you imagine if you saw it now you would imagine the crowd almost laughing at some of the shots, your data t of a player to resort to tactics like that but they were wonderful moment in their match rashes reeled off. A string of games I think six or seven in a row and someone in the crowd. Shouts out come on Jimmy and he replies I'm trying for Christ's sakes and. Just kind. Of. How irritating it was to be playing catch on that day as you said with his mumbling and he's thinking and is incredible tactics but yeah, I mean ash ash really didn't light Jimmy Connors in this biography. That I read they. Actually quoted author, she's diary and he had apparently written that every time I passed in the locker room, it took all my willpower and not to punch him in the mouth. You know he he really didn't like Jimmy Connors. He thought he was selfish and arrogant, and he didn't appreciate his attitudes. Davis. Cup weeks for our thrash was. Probably the most important competition in his career Davis Cup. And all of these things might you've just described? Oh Character traits he shed with. John McEnroe. Hatred. Of Jimmy, Connors and I love the Davis Cup and one of the things I was struck me most about. reliving the actually it wasn't really it. It was for our worst ever Grand Slam finals episode. When I subjected myself to some of the nineteen eighty-three men's Wimbledon final where John McEnroe just eight Paul Chris Lewis for breakfast. What's Will stuck out for me maced was John McEnroe willing a replica of authorize. Davis. Cup Jacket from nine hundred and seventy-five John McEnroe hero worships author ash and that they careers every briefly coincided but he he knew more. As a as his Davis Cup captain and we can have them now and interview that that David did with. John. McEnroe a while back on on why and how he he loved the author I actually met Arthur. Pretty, early on and play doubles with him as an amateur he took me under his wing a little bit which was pretty nice for him to do because here he is this guy he's the consummate gentleman being with sort of this young hothead and so he he sort of gave me like credibility in a sense that I wasn't just this wine her spoiled kid. In so that meant a lot from that standpoint and Obviously. He helped tennis a lot because of. The way he played was Considered at the time as a big hitter, and then all of a son he out thought. At Wimbledon solve a sudden, there was like well. You know this. This approach is really interesting that you came in with a totally different game plan. So when he'd beaten Jimmy and seventy five Wimbledon, that was an unbelievable thing. And also he he was Davis. Cup captain for a number of years and We had a lot of good moments probably more often than on. We had a lot of good talks and Half the time during the match he was chasing me trying to get me to stop yelling an umpire whatever. But we had some good times in labs and It was just really tragic to SORTA. Seemed like so unlucky because I actually played him in the masters in seventy nine. I was my first major title. I beat author and a very close match in the final and If felt like his time was way too short but certainly has influenced me was. I love hearing John McEnroe. Hearing and seeing John McEnroe we need just. Yeah is. Just like sort of Bouncy kid about somebody or order. Slightly uncall- could teenager the. Talking about someone that he thinks is really cool. He's like it would be onboard his name. I love hearing that come across in the way he talked about Arthur ash. He gave me some credibility. I. Love that line. Yeah. Now, and he did us to talk about beyond Bogan, that way of somebody kind of. Even though Arthur Ashe clearly disapproved of a lot of John McEnroe and he's quite quite open about that. He also loved him and sold a lot of him and it was one of those he they they put aside their considerable differences and. Almost like brothers in a away older brother and a younger brother and I think it was. It's it's lovely to hear that and as much as Arthur Ashe's considered. Deliberate. Approach was part of who he was also part of him that he would he would say was somebody would sometimes get fed up with being the nice guy and he would occasionally say that he would he just loved one day where he could behave like John McEnroe and the. That would be acceptable. What does the Allen was saying but he knew that if he'd behave like that, he wouldn't have been kind of palatable to a lot of people. But Yeah I just find this relationship between Asha Makomo. So interesting for that reason and also that Davis Cup because Makomo was part of this team of highly strung players and then you had all thrash the kind of coup captain on the side and I think that A lot of incidences where. There were maybe close to some fallings outs. But authorized, let them to two consecutive victories as captain when he first became captain and. That was that was a great honor for him to be. Davis Cup Captain Tony Tony Trabert to Ben Davis Cup captain before and and he said look we didn't have a list of WHO's the next Davis Cup captain. You're the only one that we want to be the next one and assumed that role and I think I think eventually. There was some controversy over the fact that people thought was being too political while he was in that role as Davis Cup captain didn't think ash out ever outwardly said that but it certainly what he felt and that was perhaps why he was I think she cost aside from that road as he was co captain and the results went downhill a little bit. But to start with he was he was expelled successful captain with very good players but very difficult players to manage in terms of John McCain ruin, Pizza Fleming. Because he was he was political during his career in his own way. He was more political than healthy. Gibson. Will come onto. Two, more overtly political than our outfits and but we'll come and talk about the for for some people. They didn't consider him to be political enough. But. He obviously grew into the role of activism embraced it more and more after his retirement in in nineteen, seventy nine. But he was he was active and juggling this all throughout his career one of the. The ongoing themes of his career stall sing connor the saugus started in nineteen sixty nine was his relationship with South Africa was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine that he was he I applied for a visa to be able to play there, and he was denied because of the color of his skin. He was he was finally accepted and offered a visa to play in south. Africa. Open in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three and he wrestled I believe mark with the decision to go. And and it was a huge huge deal that. That he did go and it came hand in hand with a lot of criticism. Yeah the strikes me that the reaction to him going was. Almost almost schizophrenic. He's come into go but there was this divide over whether his presence. There would be a good thing and as you said, he took a lot of criticism people could him an uncle? Tom Or they set his visit was tokenism more. kind of propaganda on the on the part of the government in south. Africa to kind of use him as this this porn really to kind of show show the world that they were making progress when the reality was actually very different and apartheid was still in place But it it does that reaction does strike me now is unfortunate because you know the reason ash was denied a visa was because he was so outspoken and publicly critical of the South African government's regime and. He believed in a kind of gradualist approach I think to activism and he thought that. His presence there breakdown some stereotypes, and he wanted to engage with the issue constructively and see it for himself and and he thought that small concessions and. The. South. African government granting him entry was a small concession would incline and go towards greater progression and he had this sort of long-term level-headedness vision for it. I. Think he called himself a little bit of progress and. Donald Dell who is actually each would say that. He would see the faces of children who watch Arthur ash and. Kind of there will be some inspired by him, and even even the image of a of a white boy giving Arthur ash, the ball. Rather than the other way, round was was inspiring to a lot of kids and I think. Sort of the long term impact of arthritis South Africa trip is incredibly important and. Nelson Mandela when he eventually got released from prison and was allowed to go to America. He was asked if he wanted to meet and he said how about man Oh thrash and I think that's just an indication of the good the date by kind of persevering with his. Pants to go to South Africa and make a difference. And the. Speculation, wasn't that that he later regretted. The decision that He. Made at the time to gauge south. Africa. That is something that the Richard Evans over the course of my conversation with the wasn't the case he had conversations. He says with all the latest stages of his life where he he definitely didn't feel regret about about his his decision and. He would have he would have received criticism he had he not decided to go I mean he he couldn't one hundred percent win without without decision I call Konta matching the strain of juggling all of that with say being a professional tennis play but generally did seem to me that he his view of himself was was very clear although I'm sure he would have wrestled with these situations as they come along. Once. He came to a view he. Quietly went about. Thermally. Believing in what he was doing leading by example being out there and showing. By actions rather than using just his voice. And I think that was one of the reasons why? Maybe during his playing career, he wasn't always as activists people wanted to be because as you said, David he was he was so considered about these things he wanted to properly think them through and am kind of thing. Okay. What is my stance? On this issue? He was a voracious reader and he wanted to be. He wanted to be informed about things before he spoke about them six, he sort of took his time but usually he would he would develop into this kind of person of a full blown activism rarely but it did take a little bit of time. He'll. He'll say clearly knew the the his chances of having an impact would be that much greater. Once he'd won once he made a name and being successful and it was a lot easier to be listened to. He definitely should l. `this view that he wanted his racket and his behavior to allotted talking that he wanted to to lead by example but the where he died diverged from his approach, he was he was more comfortable with the sense of responsibility. And the burden of that responsibility he accepted it whereas I'll that quote from her out, she totally believed in the power of the individual and she will let rejected the sort of sense of a collective, a collective of her. Of Her representing anyone representing a rice off the definitely. Definitely embraced representing his being representative for his rice and and will the the burden that came with that And he embraced his his role as an activist and that's something that. That we're going to hear now from from both Leslie, Allen and Mary Carillo talking about the the memories of all thrashing his his growing role live the course of his life as activist I saw him as an activist and somebody did speak out versus I feel as though out thea one being a female and coming years just just integrating tennis of few years after Jackie Robinson Integrated Ball. She could risk speaking out and she. Was let my racket do my talking. You know I'm I'm I. DON'T I. Don't have to be the the spokesperson for the race or the active, this further race versus. Arthur felt like he had that responsibility that he had a platform and that he wanted to use his voice right from the start when he won the first open. So could he be a spokesperson for every 'cause now and that might have been where pushed back came from? My memory of him, even from a young age that he was that he was profoundly decent men. But he who had kind of knew he had to be measured and had to be thoughtful when he had to decide whether to go to south. Africa to play. Exhibitions there and? There were black set railed against them. There were whites that railed against him. They were tennis players thought he was doing the wrong. He again he stood apart his stood and he. He size up the situation for himself he knew that if he were to play. In a country of apartheid and there were little boys and girls of color who could see this man With all this freedom. With all this personal power walking around. He knew that was more important than any Kinda heat. He would take from anybody else. So I think he had to make a lot of decisions like that more than anything. I. Remember Arthur. You know if you've read. Books Days of grace. Especially, this is the guy who talks about. How if you do have the chance and you really want to stand up for something you believe in getting arrested isn't importantly good thing for you. He marched against apartheid. He marched for Haitian refugees like whatever wherever he saw injustice. Unfairness. He felt. All right. This is worth getting arrested for if I can draw attention to this. If. I can speak out against this if I can make people more aware. then. That's something I should be doing with my time. For the sake of my parents has edited out the section of that conversation my pledged to marry that I will get arrested more often. That's what I've learned. Always take the advice of Mary Carillo. That's what we agreed upon isn't it and? We will come on to talk about the the the yeah. The the arrests that that are authorized endured over the course of his his growing activism. One of them was just just five months before his death when he was in really ill health, I mean just an extraordinary story but. Just to to pick up the on the criticism that are thrash received as an activist from from some of his from some of his greatest peers, there was a lot of debate at the time and lot of criticism from the black community of authorized for his not being more involved in the civil rights movement. Again. From Donald Dell he said I was once in a meeting with with author Andrew Young House in Atlanta and nine hundred and sixty eight. He recalls they were thirty five or forty black leaders in the room author just on the US Open and was a big name then and Jesse Jackson yelled out brother Ash you have to be more outspoken shout and yell and be a stronger hell-raising leader I. Remember the turned him and said Listen Jesse I'm not you I don't do it with my mouth. I. Do my racket and that's the way I wanted to be and everybody in the room chair. It was the damndest thing the reaction of all the people in that room. But, yeah, you had you had mohammad-ali in John Carlos and Jackie. Robinson all. Pushing. The envelope for civil rights faster and faster, and an did see moderate by by comparison and Jean. King, even once commented sort of. In relation to that I'm blacker than author. because. She spoke I guess what she meant was she spoke out more for the the calls than than off the did. He had his own way of doing things. Yeah I, think I think that was one of the reasons why later in his life he would he would as as we've heard, go onto get arrested for these things and put himself out there even more because he said as my fame increased. So did my anguish I don't think he felt ashamed that while others kind of fighting injustice and taking part in the civil rights movement, he was playing tennis like he knew he was still. He was still breaking down barriers and being trailblazer but I think he felt like in the rest of his life like he needed to make up for lost time bit and just just do more and and he would say he couldn't. He just couldn't sit sit by the woke go by and. He thought it was you know if you were black there was there was a mandate for you to do something and speak up if you had a platform And Yeah. There's that quote as well that he hated justice more than he loved the decorum, which was how he kind of justified those two arrests and. Yeah, I think I think there is a there is a definite. Difference between his activism when he was player and afterwards. We're GONNA hit just one last time now from from Richard Evans reflecting on. On the criticism he received. As as an activist from from fellow activists and just some some final words from it should on on how on how he remembers also. was criticized. Jesse Jackson who is the complete opposite to you? Big loudmouths guy. He something came up at a meeting. And Some said something about militancy and Jesse shouted across trouble with you as you know militant enough. And he had to put up with that all the time and then of course when the hell AIDS thing started result. an even greater side of author and how he handled it and. Everyone was very proud of him. You Know I. Not being that way and trying to, I don't often say that I love someone. A man. But I. Loved. Awesome. There is something about that was very lovable. he had. A strange sort of. Personality was winsome and interesting and. Funny, innovative low key sort of way. But he he was just lovable guy and very special special man. That lost line from from Ichitaro these last few lines how he loved author they were right at the end of my conversation with him. We'd been on the fame for about forty five minutes and you know he'd spoken in great eloquent detail about what a wonderful man of the was. would a would impact it had on him personally richards had. been on those trips to South Africa with Russia had witnessed. All of those things personally had had had a good. Personal relationship with him and I had the privilege of if knowing him. And still it felt like that just spilled out at the end like he just had to. Get off his chest. There was this compulsion to confess his love. For this man and. It was so powerful. and it really it really stopped him in in my tracks. I think anybody that knows richards and I've not infamous in twenty years. He's in his eightieth year now and. He's been around as we heard in the Gibson story since nineteen sixty covering tennis sixty is. And he doesn't like that. I mean I really got on well with him. He's if formidable character in a debate. At times and and can be quite scary sometimes but he's always somebody that's. Absolutely, encyclopedic about the game very forthright in his opinions and views and strong and I've never heard him talk about anybody else and and I agree went on. Those words as well I mean. Yeah. It's really says something. And you can hear something similar kind of every everybody that we've spoken to they all have. That certain something in their voice when the when they're talking about him for sure as as as you said Steve, link is a very forensic methodical. Scientific man in his approach to tennis in its history and it was like so does something Cavo came over him and when he was talking talking about author ration. We're GONNA share with you know some classic Mary Carillo Content. some have have. have. Favorite recollections of of author from from the as including her I almost meeting with the man. I I met Arthur's apartment. Would you like to hear more at? This is this is a this is a great story in an especially because it's true the year that John McEnroe got to the semi's of Wimbledon and became John McEnroe nine, hundred, seventy seven. There was a there was a sports caster in and I don't know if you know of Howard cosell in Great Britain. He was a very famous sportscaster. Howard cosell is doing a. TV Show and one of the big segments is going to be on John. McEnroe and what he's eighteen year old hat was able to do that summer. So Howard was going to speak to Arthur ash who was a good friend of his they done some TV together for. They're gonNA TALK TO ARTHUR ASH and they're gonNA talk to me because I didn't you know John's present and future was ahead of them but I I was around I passed. I had never done a big interview before I had never I don't think I'd ever done a TV interview before certainly, and so I got picked up in a limousine. I'm taken to Arthur Ashe's apartment. That's we we're gonNA shoot this interview. And I'm nervous concert about talking Howard. Cosell and about this big. You know about this big interview I I was in over my head and I'm sure I was utterly incoherent took the interview but I walked into Arthur Ashe's apartment. Now you gotTa Know I. idolized Arthur ash I thought he was the coolest guy. In Tennis I. Mean, he was I loved his jazzy flashy game. It was bold but it had all this kind of cool intelligence to but he had sort of a casino mentality to you know he had this he just and he looks so different from every. I was eleven years old when he won in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight, the US Open. I. Couldn't believe how cool this guy was and at a time he's got an Afro and he's got he's wearing bracelets, Sunnis, wearing beads and. was like this. Amazing. Magnificent Tropical. Fish. At landed into tennis you know and now I'm in his apartment. and. There's no tennis stuff in his apartment I'm looking around and I. See all these all this great artwork which can tell us from around the world and there's An unbelievable record collection what looks like a tremendous sand collection, their books everywhere, and it was just really cool elegant apartment and stop being nervous about the interview. I couldn't believe I was in Arthur's apartment. And I'm looking around and I looked and he had a great view of the city and there's all look at his table that's where he is cornflakes. That's where I did my cornflakes. And I just looking around and again, there's no. Pretense that this is. A great tennis champions apartment, he was a citizen of the world. And I'm I just remember looking around I was twenty. On this day and I'm looking around thinking. You. Are Just a tennis ball with feet you have got the start upping your game. 'cause this man is. This man is everything. So that was the first time. I met Arthur Ashe's apartment and I didn't even get to meet Arthur that day but I was lucky I'm a new. Yorker. So I got to meet Arthur he also worked at HBO he covered Wimbledon for Hbo for a long while and we got to see each other at various functions so. I was lucky in those ways that I got to. I got to know this man you cling to every moment you had with a man like that. Don't you what was it like working with him this this guy did idolized his is a young is young tennis, but we didn't overlap I don't think maybe only the first year at Hbo we overlapped. And I thought he was again. He was against I keep using this word but it's true he was so measured. You know for a man that had. You know he had to fight the good fight and he had to weigh every word that he said I I couldn't believe his. Home and his forebearance. You want me to tell you the band-aid story. I think I shared with you my band aid story of Arthur. Yes please. Not everyone has an Arthur advantage. Exactly. Arthur was this is ed. Wimbledon. And he had cut his finger and it was bleeding fingers sometimes bleed profusely for no good reason it wasn't that. But Anyway, the production manager she ran off she was you know and she she ran to get a box of band AIDS and she's cracking them open and she's sort of nervously trying to stanch the blood and you know and Arthur calmly looks at the package and says to this lovely woman It says these are flesh colored. She's. Like. Mortified and scared and like Oh my God. That's not the color of your. You could tell all these things were rolling around in her head and then finally just started giggling. He was a great use a Gig of some note and he said that's fine. I'm that's fine. and. Tell you the story. On, the day of his of Arthur's funeral. Funeral was in New York and I was in Florida and I left on the morning of his funeral because I figured I'd get there in time but I had to stop to Atlanta and there was some kind of terrible weather. That kept me locked in there. And time is going on we're still. On. The. Ground. And then finally. Atlanta in York that got cancelled and I was bereft. And they they make that announcement. Goto the delta. Information and they will re book your flight but I knew I was going to Miss Arthur's funeral anyway. So I just sat there at the gate. Feeling sorry for myself being angry at myself for having. Waited too long. To make his funeral. And a young guy in great looking suit came over to many said you're going to New York and I said, yes, he said, were you going to Arthur's funeral? And? I said yes. And he said I'm Arthur's nephew. And he sat down beside me I think he could tell I was I was upset. And he sat down beside me and we swapped Arthur stories parole while. And how it is Catherine when. You are meeting somebody who's a relative somebody you know and you look to them. As he looked like I'm. Like. Does, he have, and that's any hint. He and this guy did this young man did and I I just remember leaving that Gates Smile and thinking about you know what Arthur will never be. He'll never be all the way on if people like that. Are. Too. Many moving stuff in A. A lovely night to Wendell nine one one that's kind of never felt more pertinent because has his legacy ever felt more presence in sport than than in the last few days and we will come onto to talk about that and bring. Bring the all story, full circle but just to. To to reflect to bid on the the later years of his life that story Mary told about the funeral that was that was back in in nineteen ninety-three he died at the age of forty nine his health had I become a problem for him in. July of one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine when he was still a professional player he was he was only thirty six years old he was still ranked number seven in the world that time and he. Asks if no way, he suffered a heart attack what was to be a the? The first of his heart attacks and of course his. His career then came to an abrupt end. He had to have bypass surgery later that year. And then had to have another similar operation in nineteen eighty, three, five years later in September nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, he he lost he lost functionless May to function in his right hand. Not led to him requiring brain surgery during the course of which they they discovered three blood testing that that he had. Hey, at the ad aids. And they they seem that he contracted the disease from one of his from a blood transfusion during one of his open heart operations they suspect. The second one, say that was in nineteen, Ninety, eight that he Received that diagnosis. And it wasn't until Nineteen ninety-two that the the world found out about it he did make the decision to disclose his his his condition publicly Unfortunately, it was after being told that USA Today intended to publish an article about his his illness and could he confirm it but? After he made. That public admission in in on April the eight, thousand, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two. He spent the rest of his days campaigning for for public awareness, including making a speech on the floor of the United Nations on on World AIDS Day on repulsed away just the following year. At the age of forty, nine and. I'm I made reference to earlier that that story of one of would have been his final arrest From which I'm determined to take inspiration. For the rest of my my life, I'm it was towards the end of one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety and author two parts in a protest march outside the white. House on the issue of if mistreated mistreatment of Haitian refugees, it was it was a growing topic of. Debate and concern in in in American discourse at the time he was arrested for taking part in March, and he was the lone representative of the sports world to DC to actually. Practice what they preached despite many of these speaking out on on that issue and other social justice issues. He was the only athlete there in that March despite the fact that by this time his he was in very ill health. He fully conscience even though it meant putting his health in his life at risk. His doctors were worried that that he physically wouldn't be able to cope with with marching that day. He'd lost twenty percent of his body weight over the course of the. The previous year, and as it happened of the Ashdod suffered a mild heart attack off to. The day after his arrest. And he lived for Fraley another five months after that. He. Heard from for Mary and through the the the reading and description, you've you've given us their catherine distance just sums up his character to me both from. The humor that Mary references and the Giga that she found him to be in the interview I heard from him this morning it always strikes me in every word he utters that he's A little bit ahead of where you are. He's he's a either concocting his own little slant of humor on what you've just said that will amuse him and and aures. He's got an understanding of issue, an attack on it, but he's not GonNa just throw it down your throat. He's GonNa eat Kinda, just gently move you in the direction. He wants things to go in. He knows that they should go in any. Any takes all it seems to me in his stride and even this soulful luck bad luck that he had with ill Hilson, he had heart disease that ran throughout his family. And in the interview earlier this morning, he said I I know that. I'm probably not going to live a long life in all honesty said, he said I actually went to a palm reader who says that my life my I will live long life, but I think I will be honest. I've had these heart attacks and Given my family history of I probably won't I. Hope I do. But probably won't Palmer in being wrong shocking knees and this was in in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four that this interview took place. And at the time, he didn't know that he had been infected with HIV and. and. All the way through it seems the the diagnosis and the treatment and or at least the experience of living with this disease. He was he seemed to be accepting of it and he would just he just dealt with whatever hand he had at any given time. And kept on moving forwards and even as you say, there would. With his health really failing him. He just carried on doing what he believed was the right thing to do. And he he famously said. The. The instinct when when something bad befalls you is to say why me? And he would always say. Not Me and he's and. By the same token he would say will if you're going to ask why me when something bad happens g surely when something good happens to, you should say why me? I love this sort of pithy logic to that. Yet, and it goes back to what James Blake was saying right at the start of the podcast that his. At his lowest ebb he embraced. Kind of new responsibilities and took on the battle because there was there was so much fear and hysteria and misinformation about AIDS that time and it was seen as. It was seen as the gay curse and it was seen as something that you know he had to reassure people that he wasn't going to infect them just because they were in the same room as Heyman and he he took on that responsibility and. That that really is quite extraordinary There was this big. This big debate at the time about you know whether the USDA publishing was. Kind of an invasion of privacy masquerading as the public's right to know whether it was Gossett pretending to be investigative journalism and but even that he kind of took ownership of that situation and and used used his platform there too good as heard establishing the Arthur Ashe Foundation for the defeat of AIDS. And and it just strikes me that. So many tennis players are not set up for what to do off the tennis and our thrash. Absolutely, was he transcended the sport and he had so much to offer the world where was a better place because Arthur Ashe was in it and it's so it's so cruel that his life was was cut so short and yet at the same time, it was still such such a full life as well. And I. Hope that he was aware that he had created legacy that would would live on i. know he was a very humble man and probably wouldn't have spoken in those terms. But I. I hope that he he was fully aware of the legacy that he had created I mean I. Think we've all thought over the course of the last week wondered. What he would think of. What we're saying now in tennis with Namias Arkan and coca golf and oversee Naomi soccer's very much. Risen to the four over the last few days on that front we'll talk about that in just a moment but. First I want to hear from one of the one of the players he he did fully kind of more immediately in in his footsteps because he did. Act as a beacon for future generations of of plays, just to to read a quote from from Zina, garrison on on unauthorized thrashing the way he paved the way for her she said he was he's always been someone for black players to look up T. Someone he said you can do it. It doesn't matter where you come from or how we look she said office showed what is possible to be accomplished and I always wanted to follow in his footsteps and nobody can forget that he made those footsteps. I really appreciate the time that he made his breakthrough and it was harder than for minority to break in especially in all sports, but he did it to the hilt. Letsie now from from Chanda Rubin somebody else that was was able to follow in his footsteps and and what she thinks about Arthur's legacy. To me, his legacy is one of inclusiveness. His legacy is is one of fighting but fighting with dignity. And strength that did not demean the next person you know fighting and being unmovable about what he knew was right about what he envisioned for the sport, which is what is one of the things that makes this work. So special today, you know the fact that it includes everyone and and that the premise is that includes everyone anyone who is. Able and wants to play who? Does the work to get to a certain level you? You can play an you're on equal brown equal footing with the next person and it's it's what he strove to make this actually looked like in reflect that I think still reverberates today it is still that the ideal. Of Sport and it's why he is such still such a powerful figure. Your end will be a powerful figure in this. He. Strove to do it when it wasn't popular you know when the fight was. Not. Knowing. Who you were fighting for in the future but knowing that next that next black kid that next. Player was going to have an opportunity that maybe he didn't have and. That's incredibly that's incredibly special that that's incredibly empowering for these next generations and so he is he is. One of the most powerful figures in in this sport. How important is it that that main? Stadium? At the US Open is named after him that the inevitably because of that, his name is mentioned all the time and kept present and kept in the full front of the minds of everyone that works in Tennis Watch. While I think it's it's fitting it. There's very little. That's s fitting as that And you know we we can get to a point where we Hear names, historical figures, and. We understand a little bit about what they did but maybe not so much and it becomes the message becomes a little bit. Fades a little bit and you just get used. So ash stadium not really thinking about. What that meant and would it continues to me, and so I think every. So often you know people have to be reminded of that even though the stadium is named for him, people have to be reminded of why and and not allow to just let the message kind of fade because that's what we're still fighting for today we're we're still fighting to create equal opportunities across the board and at the time he was fighting it was more based on it was more based on you know black players being given opportunities to play. It was at that point a white only sport. But now it it has. Additional meaning in terms of equality across the board white black no matter your race or color but also matter your gender and I think tennis is it continues to be have opportunities to be a leader in that in that space, and so that's what that the name of Ash Stadium Bats with that continues to signify, and hopefully we don't ever lose sight of that and future generations can continue to understand the importance of it even as we get further away from from his lifetime. And today in the shadow if if both the author stadium and the the, statue of ash out the Billie Jean King National Tennyson to. Today's we record namie soccer will we'll take to court in the western and southern open for her semifinal match against at least mertens much that. was supposed to be scheduled to take place yesterday much which may soccer originally withdrew from in protest at well, a couple of Racially, aggravated incidents that have taken place in America, the police shooting in Wisconsin of a black man and the subsequent murder by a right-wing terrorist two black protesters in Wisconsin. Protesters of that police shooting. and we I had the NBA in the WNBA. Going on strike. In protest at those events and Nary may soccer then fully suit announced her withdrawal rule from that semifinal in protest she she released an incredibly strong statement on her social media saying she didn't expect her. Her decision to change the world pitch she thought it. Was the best thing she could do to try and try and start a conversation And that is so so. Echoing the. The actions of authorized isn't it I mean his his legacy ever? Certainly in our lifetimes felt more pertinent. Yeah. I think he'd be a mentally proud the fact that she just she did that off their own back without. Any encouragement. It seems that's what she thought was the right thing to do. He wanted to start that conversation in a white sports. Traditionally and and a predominantly and be able to get people talking and within two hours the entire sport had posed because it decided to send alongside me and and not have any place today. And Yeah that's meant that the compensation has been ongoing and I mean, it's it's in the scheme of things a small step, but it is significant because it's never happened before to my knowledge. Barrack Obama once said talking about Al, thrash that it doesn't really matter how you do it. What matters is your commitment to doing it and as you said a sock, it didn't really know what the result of this action was going to be but she was committed to doing it because she felt it was the right thing to do and that right there is authorized. Legacy. So it's full credit to soak because I think a point worth making is the. You know as you said, the NBA Wmba. Baseball teams as well those are. kind of set the wheels in motion for this those are. Incredibly, powerful justice but they're all team sports where. People in in the team Kinda give each other support rally ran while another this was. This was this was an individual move by ASARCO, and she didn't know what the response was going to be how it was going to be received and it's been really. Really encouraging that both the leaders tennis stepped up I'm recognized the moment and also I think a lot of fellow players as well on certainly on social media have have given their support as well and the and that stuff matters as well. That's how you turn it from a moment into a movement I think. Start where you are us what you have D- what you can. One if the four hundred, thousand inspirational in profound quotes from Arthur ash. On a t shirt as soon as we. Just cut straight having it tattoo on your forehead man. And and look at. It clearly is getting easier for athletes easier than it was for thrash, and we've we've heard this podcast about how it was easier easier for thrash than it was frothy. Gibson, it is. Getting easier for athletes and people with a profile to use platform to speak about political and social issues, which which mattered to them to try and instigate change. But that doesn't mean it's easy. It's a very low low starting point it was what? Two years ago that calling Kaepernick lost his job lost his job for taking the knee in the NFL and is still out of a job thought still remains the case so. Yes things evolving and changing and the landscape might be shifting but. But as we're going to hear from one last time for Mary Carillo and first Lizzie. Allen, there are still difficulties that athletes face when using their platform. Let's look at all athletes. and. Just by how our society is we give them so much reference. And it would be important for them to step up and use their platform. And I didn't see a lot of that. You, know you had a Colin Kaepernick. And I use the phrase in one of my articles that you know people risk being capping it. Out. But now people are like you know what? We, we have a voice. Let's band together. You look at the NBA The WNBA. Like you say cocoa and Asaka. and. The soccer team just you have power together and you do have power and a lot of times the people that you were trying to speak out against they want you to know you have the power. Or Your Veil threats. If you speak out girl, you're not GonNa let nobody else has got to be able to get in here to do that. So I think Arthur. Would be proud of those that have stepped up in a big way and use their voice. But there's always risk involved, but it's nice to be in a position that the athletes are willing to take the risk because they have the power and they can they can. Overcome this. Black lives matter is happening all around us in this country that's on fire right now. Not terribly proud of the united. States for any number of reasons lately but. There's a there's a slogan I don't know if if it hit your shores. The slogan goes they tried to bury us but didn't we were seeds. I think Arthur would look upon these athletes whether it's what? The late. Kobe Bryant what Lebron James is willing to do what calling captured is willing to. Is Willing to do. What these young tennis players have color. Are Stepping up to do I. Think he would be very happy to see that and interestingly Catherine. Billy. Has It in her head that? Athletes and especially, athletes have color these days now. Like. Mohammed Ali obviously he was excoriated for speaking out. For his beliefs you know whether whether it be about his religion or Vietnam or whatever and a lot of athletes have color obviously, Colin Kaepernick football player lost his job because he knelt during the national anthem still is at work hidden in the football. Billie Jean has it in her head that now especially, athletes of color will be rewarded for speaking out. It will become a part of their brand to speak out they will use their platforms they will sound out against. Inequality or gender inequality race whatever it is billie. Jean. Thinks now that the tide has really turned and that. You don't have to be afraid to speak your mind any longer you don't have to. You know an Arthur Ashe played. Tennis when the Gibson played tennis not only did they have to be very quiet and not argue calls and they couldn't even hit close to the lines. For fear that they were gonNA. Get hooked by lines people. You know that that they you know I mean that's how bad it was you had to be. So. Contained and now Billie Jean feels that it swung the other way and this is a time for you to understand your voice and use it. And be rewarded for it. Which is In a massive shift isn't it because depressingly that has The economic disincentives to to be outspoken have been enormous over the years is the it's the whole Republicans buy sneakers to thing, which is been sad but true of the if if sponsors. Endorse and are in favor of their people. Speaking out and standing for things that's I mean maybe it's depressing that it takes that but that's a huge shift huge. It's key say. Tectonic Plates have shifted that much. We've already seen their companies like Gatorade Nike at least in my country where that is the brand you know you wanna be a rebel you want to be you know you want to stand out in those ways you wanna use, your voice. Yes I think that is a huge shift and. It will. I think it would will really change everything. I mean when when people say when the people get aggravated that athletes speak their mind about politics. You know a lot of people say keep politics sports. Yeah. Well, good luck with that could look good luck trying to put toothpaste back in the in the to. Just not going to happen. I've used the expression good luck putting that toothpaste back at you twice over the last four days. was directed at me. Such a great expression. She's she clearly is changing I know it would have pained. Mary to use the word brand. and. It is kind of a story reflection if things that. That athletes also. Driven and that that economics. Sort of brutal capitalist economic should be such a factor in things that feel as if they should be separate to that. But if it does become. Economically viable for sponsors to encourage this kind of thing. Thank it's kind of an ends justify the means Khanna kind of thing isn't it? I think it's a big big movements in the right direction I I. Remember. Couple of years ago, talking to somebody who looks after to Andy, Murray's business affairs and when he was. Occasionally speaking out on subjects of importance whether on behalf of women, tennis Blazel old things that he just didn't think what right and and yeah some some of the core brands were scurrying I remember even he even spoke out against head who who is is own racket supply because they were supporting Maria Sharapova at the time of. Positive diaper test and the agent said, well, the way we view it is there's an authencity to him and that is in itself attractive it it should be and this is obviously a huge step on from that of way more important both for. Athletes have color and female athletes and particularly female athletes of color of color and an absolutely right? Absolutely. Right. It's about time the the world court up that when somebody. Takes a stand for the right reasons and does something truly good that they are not punished because it might upset a few people. It still takes the Individual Agency to do it though doesn't it? Because the soccer was saying in a pre tournament press conference that? People have told her that she's not supposed to talk about politics in the in the same week that she then withdrew to protest against racial injustice. So it still takes that individual agency and Therefore. I think we you know which is why soccer is worthy of so much praise for this and. Yeah, I mean that that line about. Keeping, score out of politics riles me every every single time. I would hear someone say that because Yes sports entertainment but. If you if you ask athletes to ignore politics with knowing that humanity and of course, athletes are going to be affected by political and social issues, and if we're moving in a direction where they're now. The now going to be rewarded has been drinking says four speaking out against that that that I think is. Is An incredibly positive sign. Yeah sport is in politics fakes pretending that isn't the case I didn't think does does anyone any favors? So that is Arthur ash is. Easy. He's enduring impact on sport today. and. I'll be. It feels it feels sort of really sad that we're not recording this underneath his statue at the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center doesn't it? You know with with his stadium looming over? US But. We sent him. We'll be back there one day and I'm pleased that. Back There I. Will. have if I am watching much like Collard against Dennis shop of Circuit twenty-seven. I will be able to turn my attention to thoughts of Arthur, Ashe, and have lots of them to get me three whatever boring tennis match. Subjecting myself. T. I definitely filled that the next time I'm there I will walk around with a difference. Set of is and is just thinking about the stories in the the version of events that we've heard from all of our all of that contributes is over the last few days out there Gibson and Froth I I really. Feel like this is been a massive moments. In my life freely just learning about these people and and. Actually hearing authorized to speak and reading the things. He said, just his outlook on life his approach to things if you can't learn from that summit wrong with you because that should be some spots. Start where you will use what you have. What you can and get arrested as much as possible. I'd like to thank Mary Carillo for those words of wisdom and many of his. And all of our contributors to this podcast the Gibson podcast James Blake. Lizzie Allen Steve flink Richard Evans John McEnroe. He doesn't know he's contributed to this podcast. You did John thanks very much for it. And Chanda Rubin as well. You've made this podcast you contributions your recollections have have been the absolute essence of this one into and the one about healthy Gibson and Thank you ever so much to all of you for forgiving your time and energy to what's been. What's been a very emotional journey for a soul and Yeah. That's very important. Tennis relived isn't it and now now we have to turn our attention back to the present. Are we going to remember to live? To. Do on a daily basis we start. Yes vote. Remind ourselves daily. Well, first of all, we have what we have. We have a Cincinnati rap podcast and the US Open draw review that will be coming to you on Sunday would have been Saturday but because of the halting of play and Namus is brave and bold actions, it will now be Sunday. And then from Monday, we will have daily use open podcast for fourteen days of the USA and Ma and his Caravan David insulted me in a call between Putney and hounslow. It's all glamour folks and we can't wait we'll. Speak to sing.

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Paralympian Podcaster, Early ESPN Experience, Rugby's Origin In Japan

Only A Game

48:32 min | 1 year ago

Paralympian Podcaster, Early ESPN Experience, Rugby's Origin In Japan

"Was there ever like growing up one moment or one interaction where all the sudden you're like from pick last in gym class podcast and video series that's hosted by the US Paralympian Lisa's her people in fact for a large portion of her life she it's about payment or right leg they weren't too concerned they're like listen it's probably nothing the new kid with this weird lymph and I'm like no worries just growing pains guys but the pain got worse on my toes and I got to a point where my mood like my school's calling we got a prescription for an MRI and that was where there is a tumor about the size of a light bulb shown inside probably not me because I have all my hair like just didn't like things didn't make sense and I was like do I have cancer and she was just so nonchalant she's like yeah and I just knew that moment even though she seemed kind of cool with it like I was immediately but she and her family wanted to try chemotherapy I was in the hospital rows getting my vitals checked every fifteen minutes and crossing our options and the we're not many options at this point and he's like I can't promise them and get all your cancer cells if we don't we'll have to amputate doctors amputated Lacey's right leg above her knee after that surgery and I didn't know anything about the world of disability I'd never been around people with disabilities I always fan discount one-legged lake no problem so I go back to school yeah without question never had a question it and kids named Sirkin Oh it's like a glorified door hinge now like all right okay maybe I'll be bill the pack let's be realistic I wasn't I wasn't even picked it all I wasn't picked last they just started playing without me had her classmates reaction because I saw people with disabilities as being different than who I was and I call that disability denial and I just knew I was like I need to be able moment my life happened it was the movie bringing on came out commit those girls were so cool they could do flips they were it's like how are we going to do this and they signed me up for gymnastics classes Lisa became an all state high school cheerleader and then in two thousand seven at the University of Denver and one Fateful Day my dad and I was of age at this point just crashed my dad and somehow the conversation turned into WHO's a better a- all it needed I feel like I spend my whole life just constantly try like trying to tell people they couldn't wear anymore and I jumped six feet lacy proved her dad wrong and and that's when she learned about the Paralympics you're the same you know we were all kind of in this denial of of my disability two years old just like way overconfident and everything I'm like I'm a division here like pounding behind me and it's just people's blades just hitting the ground hard and I get my ego my pride was real bruce and I'm like I realized first of all disabled sport is not around that same time Lee had volunteered at what she calls amp camp these kids which sorry guys if I robbed you guys but except that about themselves I'm like okay maybe you're onto something Lisa within my like I three competitions I broke a seventeen year long American record how lacy represented the US in two events the hundred meter dash it to host your own podcast and video series Lisa Henderson had spent the first all she was going to help tear that barrier down so for her just have fun conversations about struggles before success and just find the parallels of motivated when success doesn't come right away in when it comes to talking about disability congenial turns out it's congenital friendly but it also has you have to laugh at yourself otherwise it would be soul-crushing so I remember waiting in line at now you can't you can't cut us she's like no no I'm disabled at the paralympics she thinks picked last in gym class can give listeners whether they're disabled or not sometimes when you can't see somebody because maybe if you would see somebody who's a uh that you've done because like your character on breaking bad from only a Games Martin Kessler Lacy Henderson she's the host of picked week Dubai Happy Halloween nerds this week don't miss a special spooky batch of has to their audience listen in subscribe to short wave from NPR you can weigh one out away three two but while I was sleeping on Wednesday night Washington DC God itself welcome back Mirrors Harry and by the Washington Post of champions after a twenty six year drought the Washington capitals nationals and if you really WanNa stretch the region you can go all the two years but I do think that it's a bit ridiculous and kind of aimed I will say this guy's it feels good to be the district I mean are they collecting chance it's Q. Okay it's somebody from Massachusetts and then the Patriots were winning especially in the two thousands early two thousands there was something different in eighteen spoiled Massachusetts even those cavaliers down there in Charlottesville it's a way to not talk about ably successful corner of this town's sports legacy right now is finally celebrating this feels like now's very convenient acknowledged mid October Bulgaria was playing a match of football match soccer with England the third time in six months that Bulgaria has had an issue with racial abuse chamionships altogether in the spring and they stopped just short of doing that instead levied a fine of eighty five thousand euros this ruling to me like this protocol and these punishments are only going to be effective if they actually I would scorch the earth I I would I would make them eligible I mean we're talking shoes worldwide with soccer fans and I think which you should scorch the earth number one it's the right thing to and in this instance the displays and just the amount scorched earth approach I do think a ban a total ban with the possibility awareness doesn't seem to work the because all kinds of public service campaigns and enlisting folks from fair and kick it out there doing such amazing job they're calling attention to the fact that the governing Aro the title of your podcast Amira's time to burn it all down yes and this is a beloved irreverent sometimes crude and into stick to sports debts bins writers and editors didn't want to do that because they've never eras it's really such a shame dead spend was a site that did that sports were inherently political and was able to walk and Chew Gum at the same time in Boards Jerry and I just feel like you know that that kind of declaration is ridiculous but what's your thought further society and then say when something that you disagree with Oh no no just make me happy like I don't want find out about what's going on in Washington I don't know what to tell you like sports are always an have always been in will always be Amir rose I don't know how you play candy land but when I do it's intensely just Berdahl down podcast and also reporting live from the District of Champions Day you would have been greeted by this beyond that blue horizon is a limitless it's not every sports fan got to experience this limitless world of sports headsets and your ipads Boston sports writer Leigh Montville a true legend in honor of ESPN's fortieth anniversary we decided to give lease com spoon now the guy named Leroy Witherspoon came dribbling across my eyes three in the afternoon the goal with three seconds left who won the ball went through sick I was screaming about something that had happened almost two I don't know where August and it is located I'm a little hazy about Potsdam I still was screaming never in my worst sports toward the Saint Louis Cardinals of the Detroit lions had I felt this bad colada and a smile in the eighty degrees sunshine I was hooked on ESPN is sports. Every day of the week I always had said I wanted it the greatest technological breakthrough in the history of mankind I found out that I couldn't nine just pumps those sports at you sports you never knew existed asked me if I didn't have to walk anywhere just turn the NUP I watched track from New Zealand that I saw three separate times Jimmy Connors Against Sandy Mayer go somewhere do something returned to the room to shave turn onset again I soccer from England Crystal Palace against Tottenham Hotspur's by to feel as if I were on a diet of honey dip glazed donuts excuse me as you there is no time nor inclination to watch the rest of television anymore I called ESPN yesterday to see what I would be missing today because my week in that motel room look ahead to thirty am sportscenter three am top eight am professional Rodeo from the skeet Texas Ten am sportscenter superstar Volleyball Cup in Virginia five hundred to follow in the afternoon night thirty to thirty five million by the middle of the eighties and the long distance future do you I have seen the future and it is Leroy Witherspoon on a sunny Wednesday afternoon by Leigh Montville the call was first published in the Boston Globe in April of nineteen. 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Talking Tennis with Actor and Former ATP Player Vince Van Patten

Beyond the Baseline

27:09 min | 1 year ago

Talking Tennis with Actor and Former ATP Player Vince Van Patten

"Everyone John Wartime here is sports sports illustrated tennis podcast guest Vince Van Patten former top twenty five player beat John McEnroe also an actor for more than fifty years has been in everything from love boat to Baywatch and he has a new film out that he wrote in Stars in seven days to Vegas not tennis film but a fun film. That's got awesome nice reviews and we're GONNA be talking about tennis. We're GONNA be talking about the entertainment industry and good all around conversation with a real character Vince van Patten. Let's let's bring them in now. Where where am I getting. Where are you? I'm in Los Angeles. You're up early. I appreciate you know get up early. I get up at six. Am Anyhow so so I go to work in a little bit for some studio work for the World Poker tour. I'm always up where are you. I am I'm in New York where you were born. but it's later. I I was looking. I'm thinking you're IMDB page. Run circles around your ATP your ATP bio Baiocco but your ATP BIOS pretty strong I am I thinking you're the only person to have beaten John. McEnroe had a recurring role in Baywatch. That's gotta be correct. That's funny. GimMe Your backstory because I mean you were a child actor. These these credits Mary early and then yeah you play tennis switch over yeah. I grew up in Long Island for the first twelve years of my life and we played very little tennis there. there was too little little tennis courts they would almost black tar by the railroad tracks and and for some reason no one play tennis back then and I father just loved exercise. He was like the only one in the village back then grownup that played tennis and and he almost couldn't get a game of tennis with any the adults 'cause back then the adults weren't doing exercise so you play with kids and he kind of inspired us all to get to the fire fire department to these two stupid courts and play tennis and then we would go out to some one summer Guy In the neighborhood said Dick Nick you gotta go to the US Open at Forest Hills. You know and my father's okay they'd come along so he brought us a long. I was about nine years old. My two brothers and I just took a loving to the game I went to that West End Tennis Club and saw Billie Jean King Arthur ash and Stan Smith and Jimmy Connors play on these grass ask court these beautiful blue grass courts and by the way back then you could go right up to the court walk right up to the court. No one was watching it seemed like and as little kids we squeeze in there and I watch these players play. That's kind of inspired me to play the game of tennis So long story short I never had any lessons like that move to California and then age twelve and it was also an actor. My father was an actor and he he's he's and said. Hey Kids WanNA act. They have they seem like they're going to be outgoing and they would have a good look so try it anyway. I started getting a lot of work as an actor to commercials and TV shows so when I came to California I did both I. I was a child actor. and play tennis on the side never had any formal lessons we played at a public park called. Point Setia Park in Hollywood and and eventually my father. Would you like to play tournament. I says yeah okay. I don't WanNa play tournament. So I play southern California's sexual. I play this kid in the first around Walter Redondo and I've been honest to me because I thought it was pretty good at the time about twelve thirteen years old and but those to me. He's a top seed and any pizza me six one six. Oh I get wiped off the court. He's the greatest junior of all time and but it was encouraging because he even though I got beat so bad. Just something inside me said that you know I love this game and maybe someday I can come back and beat that kind of player all right so anyway junior tennis. I also act I I start getting a lot of work as an actor you know as a kid actor and I did every TV show there was Bonanzas High Chiappa Orell you know you the name of every every ironside and all these TV shows and I never was out of work. I was actually under contract to universal child actor and they put being a series with George Part called the Bravo's and I would get every job I had so basically couldn't concentrate on tennis or schooling doing really I was just working actor and I TV series one was called Apple's way. The other was called three for the road as I got older never had to work in the meantime. We actually play tennis on the wall outside the studio wall and hit against the wall. You know like at lunchtime and that would distract the shooting inside so they'd say dad shut up going to take the tennis racket out of his hand. so that's kind of a combination of of of tennis and acting I was never a top rank junior by loved the game. I got beat by everybody in fact. I don't think I was ranked in southern California until the sixteenth and I think it was ranked thirty five or something in the sixteenth which is terrible in the eighteenth. I still wasn't much better and I didn't get much of a ranking. I couldn't even get into the national terms. I was getting better. I got physically stronger was tired of losing. I started weightlifting which everyone said don't wait list. You can't wait live. That's GONNA. That's terrible for tennis player but I didn't care because I knew inside. Maybe feel good. Maybe feel bigger stronger faster and so I did listen to them. Results got better. I never thing in tennis that maybe a better player was I read a book when I was fourteen years old on Bobby ricks who the court hustler and he'd be Margaret Court of course and lost to Billie Jean King and and I kinda idolized them because I always love gambling and I know he was a gambler and and I read a book called of course hustler and in the book book he tells about all the things he did in tennis and it was great but at the end of the book has a chapter on how to become a better tennis player and in the end it says play airtight tennis and listen. I read that closely and it said don't miss a ball. Make your opponent missed. Never give away a point. I was very radical for that. I didn't know I was slapping. Balls around I never had any lessons and and so I listened to that and I instantly got much better from fourteen to fifteen to sixteen a lot better. I just threw the ball back and ran everything down and made them miss so bobby. Riggs was a big instructor. Obstruct read about how to get better at it helping. What's that you realize how nuts this. This is a crazy story. You realize this I do. I do in the more I all. I realized that she's such a long shot. It just wasn't supposed to happen and but I love tennis and eventually I got repeat up so much and people never been different. Every once I remember hanging out with a bunch of kids fifteen years old all tennis players we were sitting around and they said what are you going to do when you grow up and everyone said their thing I said I'm going to be a tennis pro and they look to me and they all started laughing and tennis but you're crazy. Stink stink no good and I just today. I went okay. I'll show him I'll show them that type of thing so it was all a lot of anger and revenge that I myself going and I still didn't have much of a chance. I didn't get any college scholarships or anything like that. And maybe I would have gone to college. We'll play for a team. I didn't know what was going to do. You know my acting was in the transition wasn't going to be an actor later on could get acting jobs. I don't know or could play tennis and something happened out there. I just hung in there hung in there hung in there and all of a sudden I started breaking through when it was about nineteen years old on the summer circuit in Florida of the American Express Summer Circuit at one twenty twenty four matches in the smallest circuit at a twenty seven and I went from on the ATP ranking five hundred in the world to number thirty eight in the world and that same summer. I went on to be Tom Walker and stance the same guys I looked up to when I went to Forest Hills at eight nine and ten. I was playing them and beating them. It was like a dream. I couldn't believe it and all of a sudden. I said I can do it. I can beat anybody. I had this confidence and I I was the rookie of the year in nineteen seventy nine. ATP Rookie of the year and then I went on in the next excu years and stayed the top fifty and then John McEnroe and had a lot of big big wins had a lot of injuries played on the circuit. I think about ten years UPS in endow. Did he's great when you're winning but horrible when you losing. It's the worst you know you know. It was very lonely back then because he's just on your own didn't have anybody traveling with me or anything like that so so. I'm glad that was over that part of my life but it proved that I could do it. I always felt I could be number. One beating macro I started thinking I'm going to be number. One and overtrained I went to the point where I got obsessed and I would practice a five hour. I over trained and I broke down has big injuries and tried to get past them so that's the kind of story but and it went back to Hollywood after that in my thirties into another thing about the tennis I think is kind of interesting is when you're thirty everybody's saying. Oh you now you get when you going to retire. When you're gonNA retire and back then or anybody around me to say. Don't listen to them. You're in great shape which I was. You're not going to retire and just get yourself back out there. I could play the forty and I could've and maybe that would have been better. Maybe it wouldn't have I don't know I feel like Vincent Pat Needs. It's too option the Vince van Patten story this year a late bloomer. You're hitting off the wall at universal you don't have formal training except for Bobby Riggs Book in your top thirty ready player who's beating John McEnroe and vetus Carolina's and Christine and Stan Smith in in ATP level matches. That's a wild story. I I don't know I don't it happens today. You you play longer than thirty today but I'm not sure you you're a teenager hitting balls against the wall and suddenly become top thirty pro. That's a wild possible. That's why I try. I tell young kids and when they're playing or anybody in life. Don't believe them to yourself. You love something and you put your mind to it. Yes it's gotta be brutally tough but you can't do anything you want really if you need if you need it bad if you want it bad enough were acting in tennis where those those parallel careers did they play off each is a too you simplistic to say boy lessons learned at the back lot at universal on the set of love boat and gunsmoke helped you when you're out there on the court or these two separate sports islas. I think key enacting you gotta have great concentration focus. You gotTa be good. You gotta be talented to and and you've got to take those nerves and put them behind you. You know so that you can be involved in part tennis. You've people can hit the ball. People hit Great warm-up people can play great during the middle of match but at the end of the day they have the guts and the heart to execute the big shot at the right time because we all know oh it is one by one or two big points you know maybe get unlucky and miss that line that day and that'll make the difference against another great player but it takes the guts. It's in the heart to not choke. I think most players are GONNA get tight. It's only the top top players that don't they get tight but they know how to execute under that tightness so I always felt like I would come up with a big shot and I always remind myself to on the bigger point even move fast. Get my legs moving faster. Do One thing so. I don't know I think I think a lot of luck to that a lot of similarities what I'll I'll name drop. I've gotten friendly with with Ralph Macho and before four he did karate kid he was on eight is enough and speaks glowingly of your dad. He says he was Tom Bradford on eight hundred off was was was your dad. He said Your Your Dad in real. Life was basically the same figure who who was great with him but I I'm curious what your dad made of this who obviously was anchored in entertainment and so making and What was it like for him when you said you know what I'm GonNa put this acting thing on hold and I'm going to go chase points in in Tokyo okay of this month? He wasn't even aware of it. Really I mean he was just like Oh. Yes sure do whatever you want great father first of all so to say and but the best because life healy acted so he could run to the racetrack and bet the horses and have fun jump into the ocean and play tennis. I mean his whole thing was tennis in the morning poker in the evening racing in the afternoon and he used to sing that every day while he was playing tennis to watch. Let's sing that little so he loves life. He loved it acting but it did love his act. He did his acting so he could do those things anyway where he put us on the tennis in his court. We'd be hanging out as young kids at the public courts watching him play and he was hack. He did it just because I mean he he. He learned his serve at the International House House of pancakes. I mean there was that bad he would just shop but he would beat good players he would aggravate the because of steady game but along the way he never believe that myself and my brother who was also a ATP ranked player 'cause really make digging tennis and why should he. You know we didn't have unbelievable junior results or anything like that but once okay did make it out there it became a whole different animal he couldn't believe that he was shocked and he would show up at all the big matches and and everything but I you got carried away after a while because then he got so into it and I was doing on on the search of that I remember walking off at the US Open one time after practicing for about hours drenched with sweat and he goes oh so vinnie quitting. I said when you when I'm done with my brothers some day he goes. Oh Oh okay. You sure you shouldn't be out there more. I said no dad I practiced a lot. Actually I'm exhausted yeah that's okay but I noticed that you'll hand creek is unquote eleven. He he's been out there a little bit longer. They carry way but he did it in love. It wasn't like a crazy father. That way is wanting to do he thought being. You know what's better but listen. He also was a degenerate gambler. He loved gambling. He taught me how to gamble and read the racing form and play poker at age eight on top of everything else and I was paying his poker game when I was fifteen and sixteen so he taught me many good things about life. He loved life. he was terrific is that you did did your time on the poker. Tour and seven days to Vegas sort of is a love letter to the world degenerate gambling where it all started with Tom Bradford Yeah John. I'll tell you yeah he told me poker then when I came back from the tennis circuit in my thirties and forties. I started up a polk gig. He's always good at poker her. I loved it and it became in the San Fernando Valley in. La became a big game started becoming this big underground game and it was a lot of fun was he's ups and downs and I made this movie called Seven Days Vegas about this game that grew and it's not about poker at all it was about the players the players that played with would bigger than life. They were fun people and we would bet on anything now. Here's the thing I love the Johndroe of movies about gambling and hustlers and all that just love it but I usually they go to a very dark side and it's not that exciting to me. My life and gambling is completely different. I saw fun. I made bets that I couldn't believe we had laughs. We had ups we had danced and this craziest bet that I ever made and it's in the movie is that my character is character that I play called Duke Madsen and has to walk from. La To Vegas two hundred and eighty miles in seven days really everybody in the Party and the all follow him to see if he's he's GonNa fail or not and that Seventies Vegas. I like to describe it as a hangover meets the sting and it's out there right now on Vod. I tuned in Amazon so everybody could see it and it's doing very well and devoting less five years of getting this feel made and it's finally done and it's getting great reviews which Roper is raving about it film critic so so that's that's how this is happening by the way part of its fictionalized so people say oh. Did you exactly do the best. I you know I made this. I'm not going to get details away. but it's a terrific movie called. Seven Days Vegas and you can get it now. Let's let's be clear to you. You wrote this and you start in it. Yeah I started my brother. Jimmy's he's also in it my wife Eileen Davidson from housewives of Beverly Hills and and younger wrestlers my wife she's great in it. Ross McCall Don Stark a Lotta Great Ensemble cast we had a blast making it and it's out there for the world to see I just showed it to premiere in las the biggest to all the big poker players like the Bronson's doyle and Todd Bronson. They love the film so even if you're not a gambler you'll appreciate it because it's about colorful characters big life. It's about hustles and cons and fun and that's the world of gambling I know and that's what I wanted to show so wrote this in writing partner. Steve Alber and like I said you can get a Amazon itunes today. It is doing terrific and it's a lot of fun to Oh. You GotTa get some tennis in there. Did you how'd you how'd you like working with your wife. Agenda love it and she's a top actress two weeks okay so she's one and so scripted. We have all done about shooting five weeks and I go okay honey. We have some good scenes between us. You know can we. Let's run. These lines really Kinda work. She goes what what running anyways so I go to the set all of a sudden she was either. You know like well. What do you mean no. That's not the way I work now. I'm kind out of a little bit but we didn't rehearse because she's the kind of actress that needs to do it on the set. I like to grind away knicks it up and do that so we do go to the A set. We did rehearse and probably doing that but she's a character. She's great in the movie. She plays my wife who is actually in on the whole thing she helps helps make the phone calls and all that stuff and I would say whether I won't give story points away about how she feels about the walk to Vegas but she's great in the picture and the funny thing also along the way you have to cut at the end of the day you gotta cut scenes to make the thing fly and I came home one day realizing a couple Marsin. We need to edit a little bit and she before I could even open my mouth because I know what you're gonNA say. You'RE GONNA say you'RE GONNA cut some of my scenes. I said well you know he was do it. I don't care she goes. Just make the best move you can't use. I don't care about anything like that so she's wonderful that way and she's a great actress and it's nice to get to you know have your wife you know being the movie and and act with each other. C. Two things I see that it's it's ninety two minutes so you you pared that down pretty good yeah yeah. I hate movies that keep going on and on and I always feel like even great directors. UK guys taken a little bit more out of their so my brother and I we did the final edit. We just like to Titan Titan Titan so yeah you know so. You can't even get popcorn. That's that's the kind of movie I like. I just see you know. Just keep them seats. Keep them entertained. Make it fly. Don't take it too seriously. No self-indulgence and that's what seven days does is you gotta you. GotTa tighten up. IMDB page says was rumored in the tablets to be romantically linked to Farah Fawcett in the nineteen seventies that started because they shared a love for playing league tennis. I'm glad tennis page but how long it take you to shoot it okay so we did. Seventy Vegas in eighteen days which is not too much and we took it out afterwards and said you know what we need. Some great desert shots. We need drawn shouts. We extra scenes so we went out to the desert for a five extra days and we did some more stuff so basically twenty three days h Indian Wells. Let me let me ask a question about It sounds like you you like me. We like games of chance and sounds like you you go fairly libertarian on on prop bets and tennis's discovering a a big market for wagering but that sort of balances with integrity issues so a how much gambling went on when you played in B. thoughts thoughts in general about how sports can capitalize on the unpredictability in the fun in gambling but also T. Tennessee had some integrity issues like other sports and it seems like uh-huh persistent challenge for for the sport. What do you think yeah. It's a tricky subject yeah. I would love to bed on tennis and I'm good handicapper. Once I put my mind to Tennyson Tennyson. Most Expos are going to be but I think the what was it for the first time when you were when you were playing with their yeah when I was playing I I love poker of course and I would bet I'd go to every tournament that had a racetrack back around it. My father would always say you're going to be in Cincinnati. Okay there's river downs right around. He's got to go down so recess okay everything he said so. I would go to the racetrack around on the ATP tennis tournament. That's true which was fun by also did bring a set of chips and two decks of cards with me in case I get a poker game going very tough back. Then Ken flack he recently passed a great doubles player and a great guy he would play Robertson Guzzo. I get him at a poker game. Donnelly Brad Gilbert a little bit my buddy Brad you know so I did scrounge up a little game but the guys never really took to it back then. No one really really understood poker actually played one charity rock and roll tennis tournament in Atlanta and Johnny Mack was in the back and I wound up you guys WanNa play poker okay so McEnroe. We were all playing poker in the back and mack was pretty good. Mac was pretty good but generally speaking I couldn't get a good poker the game going no one dead on their matches like in practice. I would love to have a little action to pump you up a little bit more but that just didn't happen now coming to. I know there's a big line out. There and people are betting all the time. I think it's terrific and the first few years we're doing it like twelve thirteen years ago. I was seeing some overlays and really good Betson. I was betting with them and I I did quite well and then he wised up. I don't know who they got in there but they got some great handicapper working for them and now they're very very tough spreads and the middle as you know if you're in the middle is just too big for betting tennis to make some money so it's a tricky proposition but it's fun to have a little money on on a bet so I hope they can and clean it up and sure will because I think it might be good for the game not me. I think it's something every sport is is wrestling with Tennessee's a little individual individual sports are always going to be trickier than team sports but what what's your relationship with the sport now. Do you play you go. You go into wells. What's worse tend to sort of figure in your I think first of all I love watching it. It's better than ever. These guys have so much respect for them their insurance their flexibility what they do and how the hitting the balls out there amazing. I love the play. I've had some issues with my knees and back and forth. I never had any surgeries. I just don't want to go that way but I'm finally okay. I play a lot of paddle tennis in Venice Beach in California and I'm starting to play tennis. Brad Gilbert now lives in my neighborhood. I old buddy my fear playing twice a week. We hit for about forty five minutes and then get get the heck off the court. We don't want to bore each other out the too long. So I wanNA make a comeback. I really do It's all just keeping the body together so I can play. I love singles. I love doubles. I like the workout of singles and and the strategy behind it so I'm looking to play more. Maybe try to get back into some national tournaments from age. What do we say ten tennis in the morning tennis in the morning the track in the afternoon tennis in the morning poker in the evening racing in the afternoon on jump into the ice cold plunge pool get his jacket on and go to Santa Anita Racetrack. That was his life. He has anyone who grew up with eight is enough. what will be surprised have to hear that but this is great so seventies to. Vegas is is out. Did you say you could get you on Amazon prime. You said just WANNA be sure out seven days Vegas out in select theaters theaters in certain cities but it's on Amazon and it's on Itunes and red box everywhere now. It's going to be spread. Everywhere just came out three days ago and it's doing terrific again. It's the hangover meets the sting Seventies Vegas. Please rent it or by a check it out 'cause it is it's a blast it is great for anybody who likes action and EH and fun and excitement and the con who doesn't like those three make you can make a tennis moving next. I want the Vince Van Patten movie to the kid who's hitting balls against the wall to studio. Latin doesn't play junior tennis and beat John McEnroe and pro tournaments. I want that movie next. Wow Okay I'll try to. Hey No so became did do the documentary entertainment idea but it's a lot of work and you. GotTa going back in time but thank you for the compliment and we could use a good tennis movie for sure. That's that'll it'll happen all right great. Thanks thanks thanks so much seventies to Vegas. We will put all the links on the show page and good luck with it but manned can't think about that tennis. That's that's a classic. It's a good one even guy. I didn't even go into it but I have some more stuff but we're really like underdog things that are all true and so yeah I like this. Kinda show that when when it's true because then it inspires others to do they can do anything you know possibly so I will think about that and thanks so what's happening on the show all right good luck. Thanks all right thanks to our guest. Vince van Patten for stopping by a little bit of a different type of podcast this this week thanks as always to Jamie and we will have another guest next week. Thanks everyone listening in subscribe. Send your comments. Thanks everyone for listening to have a we'll do it again on a total. Mike

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Olympics Postponed; Mary Carillo Q&A - Part 2!

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Olympics Postponed; Mary Carillo Q&A - Part 2!

"Hi this is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo thundering. I'm lighten Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray. Hi this is Dan. Prosser from Merlin Oregon. And you're listening to the tennis. Podcast Donna thank you one of kickstarter backers at the intro level at the start of this year when things seemed as though they were GonNa be fantastic for twenty twenty and now look what's happening. Well anyway what we are doing is bringing you the tennis podcast every single week. We are going to continue at the Grand Slams. Even if there aren't Grand Slams I'll tell you more about that in a minute we've got Mary Carillo. Qna part two coming your way. Today we've had so many lovely messages from you. All thank you very much for all of them including from Brown who works in a hospital in Dublin and island. How about this so lovely to hear from somebody? Who's helping us to to keep going at the moment. And she brought a tear to our which some very kind words about the podcast and and what? It's meaning to her. So thank you very much. Browner Catherine Matt. How're you doing David? Okay excellent the. I mean you'd be surprised to hear the same same. Okay me so I'll carry the can for that we did. I did twenty full minutes of exercise today. And that's such a break from. What's been the norm since lockdown that? I'm feeling very very pleased with myself. Which is pitiful absolutely pitiful but they gay in sports were makes a change from lounge. Wear very cool sports. Yes I'm wearing my. Usa Pin 2017. Parole jacket which is one of the cool things that I and I think it's one of the all time best ever tennis kit ranges since with the with the exception of the Alexander. Sheriff knee high socks which I think he will face first round night match and then renege on the commitment after that because he he wisely realized litany I seem but every every other item in that range with great. I think I think right so I've just described myself as a conic as I sit here during his licking anything last wearing his tennis. Podcast Hoodie. Matt maybe you can tell me who will what is ferrall ferrall. Sings happy right. He's he's an American singer. Rapper and he got he got involved with designing that that line in twenty seventeen. Vi- colorful okay. I think I'm a bit before it was the best thing about that. Usa Pen wasn't it weird US Open. I'm thinking I'm probably before that time. Hence why I'm so excited about our new launch today. Which is to tell you all about what's going to be happening in the months and weeks and maybe years to come. It's in the absence of actual life tennis to talk about as well as our a Q. And A. Part Two with Mary Carillo which is coming up now and in a couple of weeks. We've got our own listener questions which we recorded. Pre Corona Vice virus outbreak. Now goodness knows well. That sounds like now. It'd be interesting to ever listen back. That's coming up in a couple of weeks time. The first question is which tended the first question is which tends to be most advise a fan to to visit David without skipping a beat goes Rome to Rome guys. Not Current Advice Still Love. It still love it. Just don't do it in twenty twenty. The fact is we're looking back in order to look forward because over the next few months. We are going to be launching tennis. Relive tear on the centers podcast. It'll start next week on Miami finals weekend. That should have been and in keeping with that. We're going to go back to nineteen ninety nine nine hundred nine. And the first ever final between Serena and Venus Williams. We're also going to watch. Andy Murray against AVID FARRAH FROM MIAMI. In two thousand thirteen which was an absolute classic. So we're going to watch certain or against Venus at eight o'clock. Uk Time on Saturday. Three o'clock on the east coast of the United States. And we're going to go and watch anime against our for on Sunday. Who's got to answer the phone doorbell? Which makes no sense to earth would be visiting. I'll just go see. Let us know how fascinated I I mean. Who could who could possibly be someone? You should be ushering away. I think. Yeah somebody you should be keeping your oak door close to ivy someone with a big party jigs. Catherine has been going jigsaw crazy this week. She's completed one point. Nine nine nine jigsaw past week one of them. A one thousand piece jigsaw complete and a one thousand piece Jigsaw nine hundred and ninety nine pieces complete in the other ones lost under the bed somewhere. I will never sleep soundly until I know what happened to that. Piece of lamp. Shade is is the is the nine hundred ninety nine peace part of the Jigsaw still in its entirety and just sitting there I've done. I've done a full jigsaw and started on a third one since then. But what did you do with the one that was nine hundred ninety nine per pieces complete? Did you check the sites and felt smoked for about a minute and then put in the box and got out new on voter someone on twitter very kindly offered to send you the missing piece because they had just completed the same pixel yet. Yeah I I'M NOT GONNA lie did hover over that offer before realizing that self respect is at the moment so. I don't want to relinquish mine too soon into lockdown. I'll save it for like Jean. Okay so in our self respect. We're going to be in pajamas watching swimming against Venus at eight o'clock on Saturday. Uk Time if you'd like to watch with US WE'RE GONNA be sharing the links around on our social media channels and and in fact if you look down you show notes. We'll stick them in there as well. So you know what we're going to be watching them and in our newsletter this week Saturday night ice o'clock UK time sooner against Venus. Then Andy Murray against our for four o'clock on Sunday then we'll talk about them on the tennis. Podcast MATT has already been researching these these matches in these plays and and I'm going to be trying to find the dregs of my memory to to come up with whatever anecdotes I can. And we will relive them as part of tennis relieves. We're going to be daily during the French Open. The should've pain. And if we have a real French Open in twenty twenty as well. We'll bring you daily episodes from that as well live on the French. Open daily podcasts in one year awesome. Let's do it so I thought that if the French Open we're going to happen in September you would say oh well that's that's not the tennis relived in. May June. It's just save it all up for September but but now Knight Knight. David wants to D- tennis lived and retail call white. We can only dream of tennis lived. There's no it's it's great. I'm excited about tennis relieved. I need to do research because I wasn't alive for most of these matches that were going to be talking about extreme. It's GONNA be awesome. I can in the spirit of it math. I can maybe show you some of the films. I was watching when I was fifteen as well and This belt says Oh junk. Van Damme fills films in Areas Matt loosely. It's now okay. He does bear adverts. Lots of enthusiasm. So that's all we're going to have the monte-carlo funnel weekends we'll have Fed Cup relived. We'll have Madrid's Rome GonNa have everything before Before we get into that the daily editions at the French Open who knows we may end up. Having Wimbledon relieved as well because News coming to. Us reportedly from Simon Briggs over the weekend that Wimbledon are expected to cancel their event. This week They'RE GONNA have. They announced last week that they were going to have an emergency board meeting at some point this week. Which is reported in Simon's piece is being on Wednesday And the All England Club. It's saying their statement that they were not going to hold the event behind closed doors. They also pointed out the difficulties in postponing the tournament because of the nature of Grass Court tennis and obviously the they need a certain amount of lighten. There are so many logistical challenges in order to postpone so whether that is a possibility we don't know yet but it sounded as though that that would be a heck of an ask It may turn out that they find a way to to try to buy themselves a bit more time and see if they can still hold the event but But that's what Simon is reporting. Is that the expectation is that they will cancel so if they do then we'll be bringing even more tennis realtor here on tennis podcast. And we've got loads of ideas to try to keep things interesting. We'll bring you as many interviews as we can as well but yeah what we will do is later in the week. If that ends up happening we will bring you another show so that we can properly look at what that means for the tennis. Well because the so much to talk about we'd like to talk to some of the people within the game as well and Simon hopefully in order to just get a real sense of where we are now because we already know. We've gotten a tennis until the start of June as things. Stand so huge story Already this the corona virus globally obviously and the rest of the world but having a significant defense in tennis as well. So shall we have a listen to second part with Merica Real? I don't want to be a big Downer before that. Should we just quickly mention that? The Olympics has been canceled efficiently. Or your picks. Yeah we've got about the Olympics. Catherine well done yes. The Olympics cancelled sorry Katherine and that was That's something that you've been keeping you awake at nights and Yeah I mean that is the big story. Isn't it since we will with you? Know huge surprise but but still jarring. Isn't it when you actually hear it's happened? Yeah well I mean really hasn't been keeping me awake at night ready because it's funny. It's funny how quickly you adapt to a new normal we were saying about how shocking the cancellation of Indian Wells felt at the time. And how seen that felt like it was sort of always inevitable. And the Olympic cancellations Felton evitable for for a long time and I was kind of pretty numb to the news when it actually broke which is just Democra- of if Wehre told me at the start of the Olympics wasn't going to happen. I would have descended so deep into a pit of despair. You probably wouldn't have been able to to pull me out of it for some time. I'd if I'd have felt sick out of sobbed give. He knows but you know when the knees finally hit last week kind of folk pretty numb about Radian my reading feeding right now because as we record a Monday this morning we got news that they have set dates for the Olympics in the summer of twenty twenty one pretty much the the the parallel dates just just twelve twelve months home from when they they were supposed to be. I feel really invigorated by that. It feels like the first Daffodil of springs somehow just something concrete. Even if it's eighteen months away which it is I think even the most pessimistic experts touch words a pretty confident that we'll be. We'll be three this and and and back to hopefully something like normality by then so it feels like it's sure enough that it's worth looking forward to even if it's faraway and things to look forward to at the moment are few and far between because everything is on such shaky uncertain ground so actually. I mean somehow I'm I mean grasping positives is a silver lining is kind of the theme of our times. Isn't it but I'm feeling a lot of silver linings about the Olympic situation at the moment. Yeah I think it was the I think. Jonathan new wrote a piece about a month ago where he said that the notion of the Olympics being postponed is like abolishing frahm. Something was the most the expression used and and yet it didn't fail bake did it because it's just been seven evitable for the last few weeks And I think for tennis. It's good that it's found the same slot in the calendar next next year. There was some debate over whether they might have a spring Olympics which would obviously with a lot of tennis events but if if they've slaughtered it in in the same but of the calendar that's that's good for tennis feels a bit like everything that goes up has to come down you know. We're famous up the hill at the moment but we're going to be sort of sliding down. Hopefully this time next day was just a series of amazing sporting events. Hopefully one after the other and as you pointed out on twitter David the fact that the Olympics is scheduled now to finish on your federal his fortieth birthday eighth of August and when it does happen in eighteen months time. It's going to be the most wonderful joyous jubilant thing things always better if you feel like you've really earned them Deferred gratification is. Is what distinguishes us from from beasts. Isn't it And we'll defer gratification big time and the pay at the moment and the payoff. I mean. Hopefully it comes seen it in the Olympics in two thousand twenty one but the payoff when it comes is going to taste so so sweet. I keep closing my eyes. And I'm thinking about that. And Dominic team is another John's to rethink his his stance on the Olympics. Nicklausm ASSU get in there eighteen months to persuade them right. Okay well with tennis podcast. And we're going to be talking to Mary. Carillo second just a quick word for Mascot Butler though adequate photo butler the other day that she had mayor Catherine the you know if you have any children of Look Butler yeah. Dogs are the ones profiting from lockdown on their America. Lsu And our first question is from batch of boy on twitter. Banjo boy says I'm showing my age a bit here. We reference in this in part one of the the interview here with married showing my age a bit here but I believe Mary was friends with Vitas Carolina's quite patchy boy. Vitas antics were the stuff of legend the interested to hear if Mary has any good anecdotes. Oh maybe be my favorite one beat us at did not get along with. Vojtech feedback to do you guys remember. Are you to the nine? Remember the name Polish player. Very good player. Any ended up taking Yvonne Lendl under his charge. Remember that and and taught Yvonne an awful lot about art and he was a very good player there solitaire. Nothing too flashy about GORTEX Sebok. Here's a good player. Anyway Peterson like and he didn't like vitas either. And they I guess. They ended up playing each other quite a bit and there was a. I was watching him. Veg- they were playing and Vitas had really gotten under feedback skin and I think Deepak was beating vitas which wasn't going well for for my guy. Either and at one point beat. His Point beat his yogurt tune. Why are you go back to pick and potatoes? And you said you don't potatoes you dig for them like the most ridiculous on four five. I've ever actually ridiculous but this was very good friends with. I mean that was the joy of Vitas as this man obviously knows. He was friends with people who couldn't stand each other. He got along great Jimmy Connors. Who got along great. John McEnroe John and Jimmy didn't want to be in the same. He got great with your work. Who wasn't terribly outgoing. I mean he got via las he. There was something you just felt when you were with issue or in the bathroom anywhere in the world. But he was short he was. I mean everyone knows the famous when he finally beat Jimmy Connors after sixteen straight losses. Nobody loses nobody beats Seventeen times in a row. I mean I was very quick and but he did get into some ridiculous fights with the with fellow players. Adidas again he was great to again. I was in his slipstream because of his sister. Ruta so I got to see him. We went to. We went to a nice restaurant in London. A couple of days before Wimbledon and it was Bjorn Borg and Vitas and McEnroe Rueda and million. Like a couple of other people and as we were walking into the restaurant. And here's Bjorn Board John McEnroe. But it was very minutes. I mean that just happen all the time and some guy at some big table next year we were passing by guys. Hey Good luck my man you know one of these and thanks thanks and you kept walking and he said to the guy who is taking us tour table The guy. The Restaurant Guide said. I'm going to pick up their check too. Just because one guy it was like a drive by good look vitas. That's how generous I mean. That's what he was like. is a lot of Nice features. That can he was. He was very very special. Well rookie conor would like to ask about your own career. Because Richie says a quick question agree she says not out he says you're a grand slam champion for crying out loud. Those those issues own words I'd love for her to share her thoughts on that. Seventy seven Roland. Garros mixed doubles title and separately. I'd like to ask about memories of a young John McEnroe and their friendship what was was McEnroe Mentor. Yeah so we grew up in the same group three blocks away from each other in a beautiful little town in douglaston Queens Bicycle Douglas. Manor my parents deliver on the water run on little Neck Bay. Long Island. Sound the Douglaston Club is where we played And John Again. He followed the season. It's not like he was crazy about tennis. He was great at everything. We will go down a memorial field to play ice hockey. He was great at that is great basketball. Ran Track for his high school because they needed somebody. Who's that guy so we had? It was the first time John was going to the French. Open for the first time so as I but eighteen year olds skipping skipping his high school graduation because the USDA in their great generosity for their junior players gave him a stipend for five hundred dollars to play junior French Open and junior Wimbledon and he was on his own for the rest of that you had to figure out a way to make five hundred bucks last for the European swing so we signed up to play. Because I mean we've been playing together since we were nine eleven on the older one. We signed up into his time. Seventy seven was a year a routine tenant so a lot of the best players were implant so we got into the mix doubles raw. And as I'll never forget you're signing up for the Straw and John Looked at the other teams who'd already signed up and he's not man. I mean we can win this thing. This first major one of did you say John. I'm three hundred percents. That's exactly what I said. I'm not my hundred percent. Have you seen you seen you lived your entire life watching my forehand? You really think we're GonNa win the so anyway. We kind of picked our way through the draw. John One juniors that year as well junior French Open and I was choking badly for the final And we were playing. You Know Shutting stadiums huge and John at a certain point. I couldn't serve. John Just said look just kicked the ball in the court and I'll do the rest anyway you. I'm not kidding. Those who are now that's on-court coach. That my friends is what is what I'm there for. That's what I did. I swear to God. I spent a barely whispered. It barely hit my strings. That's how bad it was so and then of course so now we win and Wimbledon's in a few weeks and John. Of course we sign up for Mixing Wimbledon role but there are a lot more good players. Were looking so. We got to the quarters at the mixed doubles at room. That's John Famously. Made his way through the qualities and got all the way to the standings so John Played Jimmy Connors in the first semifinal grumbled nineteen seventy seven. And he just. Jimmy beat him. John was not happy with the way played. But even more problematic we had to go play. Martina Navratilova in the quarters of the mixed Martinez fight with Dennis. Ross in America while the Carolinas almost bjorn in five amazing sets which we didn't get to see but we could hear it from court. Tv here the score. So we were both. John was upset with how he played the singles. I'm trying to listen for Vita score from the old court do anyway. We lost ten eight in the third quarter Wimbledon. To Martina Dench Ralston. So that was Kinda. That's kind of how that why don't we lost right away. The US have been arguing that sovereign and that was the end of our mixed doubles career. Him Do you have footage of the seventy-seven French Open title some photos. I'd be happy to share with you. I'm sure you're you're tired of seeing baby photos of my granddaughter is Matt. Have you ever watched it now? Never no I don't. I'm not sure it exists anywhere honestly. I'm not sure my my forehand stuck to any back in the late seventies lefties right. Yeah so if there's no footage to so I can picture it. Who was who was on. What side in. How did that play? John just took every play. I would basically deserve and jump sideways into the stands where you don't have to see. It profoundly Welfare Trauma. I had so little to do with that. It was just great. It was great. Where does it like Rankin us? Sort of lifetime. Memories in an achievements like tennis included like is it. Is it a sort of pleasant footnote or is it number one or is it somewhere? In between it's it's it's highly pleasant. It was as I like to say. Catherine it was John McEnroe's first major title and tragically was my last you know. Let's not quibble now. It was a nice. I don't honestly I didn't play long and I didn't play that well. I knew there were. I was riding on rims. My knees terrible in highschool so. I knew there was very little time I could play professional tennis. I skipped college tennis. Because that's all on hard courts and I knew I I blow out my knees before I ever got a chance to as I said as I told you earlier like play Wimbledon so I I mean it because of what I did I do love it. I miss it now. I miss it this year. I it's it's there is a the late great Robert B Parker. I Dunno if you you know much in in England. But he's fun- he's a terrific. He was miss terrific mystery writer he aqap kind of upsetting robbery. He made he's a good writer best-selling altered in this country. He died a couple of years ago but he wants he loved baseball. Here's a Boston Red Sox. He loved baseball and and every season you know he said it's Is Most important thing that doesn't matter and I. I guess I always felt that back in the grand scheme of things. I guess it doesn't matter but for me it's the most important thing it doesn't matter that's perfect. Catherine needs a bathroom break. I'll thanks outing me David. I'll be quick. I'm just giving you giving you an opportunity. Should I carry on? I'm just going to carry out now. We get to talk about it. She she can come back because the next rolling rolling rolling on the next question is from pull Warren on twitter. Who Says I would love to hear about the difficult decision to retire because of injury and to take the step into broadcasting and how that happened look broadcast. It wasn't difficult for me. I I the last tournament I played with Nineteen Eighty Wimbledon. First round ought Sapan tea-garden an American veteran Very quickly I was afraid to move. It was and they made his playthrough rain so I knew that was my last. That was going to be my last match. I was my knees. Returnable anyway And then I. I didn't quite a bit of teaching at a High School for the late. Great Harry Houghton and I figured all right. We'll skip college so I figured out. I'll probably go back to school in all. I'll do some more teaching figure out what I was going to do. And then I mean it's not like there's a lot of tennis on television back then certainly not a lot of women's tennis and until pretty recently women at least in this country didn't get too cold men's tennis so it wasn't a lot of women's tennis producer. Who had heard me once. Just do an interview. Basically that turned into calling match a couple of weeks after Wimbledon he said. Would you be interested in calling some women's tennis for USA Network? And I was madly available was on my way to more knee surgery as yet. So that's how it started for me. There was no. There is no pain involved in that decision. I was glad to get the work and but I consider it a new job. I mean it wasn't. I did a couple of tennis tournaments that year and then a few more and then eventually I certainly men's tennis which made things a lot better for me and then I started doing other sports and working for other networks and it turned into something. But I certainly didn't go in. I love it and you. I'm sure you you to interview players to say when I'm done with this I'll you know I'll just get into TV. And I'll take it honey. You said an interesting thing in twelve years you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA walk into a booth and continue not to say anything like I don't know about that. I'm not sure about there because I we've done a another listener Q. And that we're going to have. How probably next week in which I talk about about radio and TV broadcasting the difference between the two etc but I just sort of given that you've made that step into the into the country box from from playing were there. Were the people that you sought out to try to get guidance on what works. And what doesn't you know Collins. I got to work with the late. Great Bud Collins Center early age and he was he was he learned a lot not that I saw him out and asked him a lot of advice. But if you sit next to that guy after awhile. He's going to rub off on him. I loved that he. He took this for various searcy. He didn't take himself so seriously. He had a very playful attitude he liked. He liked using words and and you know putting them together in creating. If when Bud Collins would walk into a the media room at attended short amount in my country anyway you felt like there was a lot bigger all of a sudden so I think I learned a lot from blood and then I I went from color. Commentary play by play each Start Learning had an interview. People Had Big quiet. In the silence of your interviewee feels the need to fill that space. And I think over the years you you end up learning a lot and then the people you sit next to obviously affect how you call a match and how you tennis game posits. It's it's got and you have to be respectful of that and you have to win to come in and win to let something just play and if you've got a terrific director cutting cameras. It's often that in the biggest moments. You don't have to say thank you. Just you just meet the moment by being quiet. So yeah you know you learn a lot of things and then you want to develop your voice anyway And your jargon your own your way of looking at matches but I don't. I've gotten to sit next to really good people over the years you know. I love working. I love sitting next to Lindsay Davenport. I think she's very very good. I look sitting next to Jim Courier. The three of US work together. Tennis show And they they they they see things differently. Often I'll be. They'll be watching. They'll be watching the better player. Play his match. I'll be watching the news. Losing I guess because I like watching like to in a way. You're kind of watching to differ matches you know. I'll be talking about somebody who's just keeps missing their return to predictable service pattern or whatever and they're talking about the other guy and I think that's always very interesting. It's unstuck unstuck never gets old. Estelle says from playing days to commentary days. Now what do you see as having been the biggest changes in tennis and on the toll probably shrink technology more than anything rackets racket technology and that's just changed everything to me. I'm no seven fully anymore. Yeah I think I think a lot of it is what okay Bali lefty. I mean I hadn't vary. I didn't lose matches because I didn't know what to do. I just didn't do. I didn't execute it well but I knew I was going to miss. Great Harry Hoffman. Coach fetus and John McEnroe Peter Fleming a bunch of he would say in in in a tight match. Would you rather be volleying or or trying to pass? Some money for me was not even a question with that. I mean so is a very simple survey Bali you kick it into. Somebody's back in. Get tight to the net. Hit your first. Golly it's all over now I mean so. Many people have great return games. They've got they've got these powerful rakkason really good streams and open stance for him backhand returns and they're backhands are bigger than therefore hands a lot of them on the women's side. You can't ame into someone's back in and come in you'll you'll go ventilate your chess if you've got a shirt like science. That's a big reason why people don't circle volley anymore. I think the to hit back in did a lot to make Bali's go away. Do you agree to a quick moment of indulgence. I'm going to ask the question which I expect to. My Dad is shouting. Whatever audio devices listening on right now which when you you said string technology any any development in particular strategy it will just generally evolution. Thera of Google Google curtains strings. Catherine Your Dad's if I was in Matthew Right Brother my dad's David David it biblical everyone connected with the Senate's except maybe they do. I only associate with Mayo Insulin. Matthew and David Wow. I didn't realize that no David I think when Google when he started using those strings and winning French opens with him. I mean so. Lie The hank worthy the streets. It's the kind of strings at hung onto the bull in allowed you to really cover import so much and then did he. Had these really long take backs in elaborate. Follow through and the ball just bounce like crazy. There was a time when Andre Agassi thought. It should have been outlawed those streets and now it's usually a blend that players use everybody. Stop playing with strings but a lot of people use of some iteration of the now. It just changed the Babylon rackets. The lively stuck is I genuinely feel that. The power of rackets and the liveliness. If if play at so many of these players today use wooden rackets. Their form would be so much better because it would have to. Be you see Serena and so many other players who can hit remarkable shots from ten feet behind the baseline falling. They're falling backwards and it's still a winner. This crazy violent. Schroeck that you would never be able to do if you're using gut strings and wooden rackets with small heads so I think that in my in my tennis lifetime that's changed more than anything and I also do think to backhands. Just that that change things too. I think also the the way people play tennis now else to explain why people have hip injuries now. had off risk the other wrist injuries. You know the ball's coming out and they're trying to hug the court. There is hitting with wide open stances. So they're putting stress on muscle systems. That did that didn't happen on. We're I put on so loved. I love to watch some tennis today. With wooden record with everybody using them just make tournament where all to use a wooden wreck. Woodwind hold up. I mean you think Roger Reddaway he would adapt well. I think the Dow would adapt remarkably well because he's shown his ability to adapt all through his career. Even though he hasn't got a natural about his grip so ashby the women's. Oh Oh it could be done. It would be fun. I watch teach Sampras played with a wooden racquet and it was like and I also Martina Navratilova nine years ago. We did a feature on wooden rackets because Martinez won a lot of a lot of our big titles with would I was great. Goddamn anyway I distill guarded bitch anyway. So we took we took Taylor Townsend. Sorry Martini get off the line. I'm trying to concentrate here Anyway We took Taylor. Townsend Catherine unaggressive quarts of women retook her to a Ranji and gave her wooden racquet and she was great. It was like nothing man. She everything 'cause she's got a sliced backhand anyway. She's got beautiful. She doesn't have complicated grips doesn't have to do major changes that so many players would have to do it. Made wooden rackets made total sense to tailor towns. I'm hey if any D- tennis rule change which which makes Taylor Townsend more of a thing her match against helical unbelievable at the US. I argue is my much of the year at our end-of-season would shea is that. You WANNA bet call. I was just I was just thinking about the I played a tournament at Uni with wooden rackets and this is so pathetic. I had to stop after like half an hour because the grit was so bad it was giving me a terrible blister was it just. It was just ruining my hand. Yes could use use that when you play I mean. Could you just quickly before we move on? Could you just finish your sentence? Which started I saw. Pete Sampras play with wooden racquet waltons and it was beautiful. Oh wow I mean he. He played he played. I mean and again pizza. One of those guys who grew up idolizing Rod Labor and Roy Emerson and Ken Rosewall. I'm and I think he probably think I've seen pictures of him as a little boy when he still had it too in the back in. I think he's started with would so that would make sense any spectacular grips. I his game. I thought every now and then I have to remind people how great people as when he when he won his final major ended that mic. Drop in that guy was a joy watch and I love watching Agassi and I like them against each other. But Pete was my kind of guy he was he was my Kinda got. I thought he was great. And now we don't even barely mentioned we talk about all time greats. David does he was my hero and I was before I got before. It started working in tennis. Sort of the crossover of in the mid nineties he was he was yeah. Oh yeah loved him he was. Did you ask for some circle? I'm not really hairy type. United pull off the swarthy among. Can I dated one one of my all time favorite matches involved Pete Sampras in it's one that has been lost in the midst of time but Pam Shriver was working for ESPN and she interviewed. Nick Bollettieri like I before Tommy Haas was gonNA play. Pete and Tommy had Isn't the US Open? And Tommy had been playing really well. Tommy when you got up to the world man could he had beautiful game Big serve and big off the ground. Nick had basically told him that this time. And WHO's taught me time at the USO? And he was going to beat the and then keep started clobbering. And just you know by the second set he was throwing Tommy down a flight and stairs. You know just playing great USO. Pete Sampras Tennis Sapan went to interview re interview. Nick Nick. What's happening you know with what's wrong and good? Old Knicks Cami Dea. The problem is yet. Tommy has launched his perspectives on the court with his but tragically. He Lost Nick Anyway. I think Pete ended up winning the US. Open that year with with he kept his. Is that what we've been missing all this time? Perspectives of the L. That's a whole bunch of all these. This mandatory eight is to find a prospectus. Good luck with this. One says semi on instagram wants to know. What's the worst match you've ever commentated on? I'll tell you what is ner rounded springs to mind wise that it was a same frigging point over and over again and I tell you what it got to the point. I was calling Oliver. Forget this was a couple years ago. Hardcore match rounded is ner on They're both lovely fellows. I'm sure this takes nothing away from. I'm sure they have both had sparkling personalities. Who's the same damn point over and over again and I was calling it with Lindsay Davenport on runs Ademi and Paul annacone on the other and we were all trying to take the match Seriously but I made there was no rally it was just rally loose and artless and an Paul annacone who's usually a very straight up kind of meat and potatoes Guy. You know at a certain point. I'm trying to insinuate that. Maybe there are more tactics involved more. Subtlety than what we're seeing. So I and Lindsey Giving me this and every now and then she's she'll give you the finger during a match of you say something like after a question litterbug loss but and tried to say something like well. Maybe you know the serving pattern is an impulse that nope no. There's no none of that. I am trying to breathe the little bit of life. I'm putting the paddles to this match. You know anyway as you know. There's a cough back button when you don't WanNa go over the air. Let people hear you either cursing or laughing or whatever we wrote the cough back but all three of us for about ten years utter silence until someone finally won the tiebreak. And I said we'll be back to answer your your listeners. Question that was it. Dave BBC Radio Troll David at Wimbledon by assigning him to any match involving two players over six foot. Five David is covered row. Niche Polka was it last year. David so you've got six five six seven. May and seven foot Friday PALCA. That's my fellows was the guy was so shirk. Yeah they did it just for single use gag on primetime BBC radio bosses. Oh Man Yeah. That's up sort but honestly we required for like over ten years. We'll be saying about pulling goodell letting the tennis breath drink that. Sometimes you just gotTa let them match like that Washington. We have one more question here. Mary from come Grabsky on Instagram. Who says what's more likely to happen. Mary federated break. Connor's record for the most titles or Serena to break course record for the most slams admiral. Here's the thing I think Federa. Can he can play a bunch of small tournaments if he wants if he if that becomes his goal you can play like the two fifties the smaller ones. You'll get paid a fortune to show up and he can win. Titles like that. And so I I as you you three. No because I've made a fool of myself in the last couple of years picking Serena to win every major final. She's been I've been dead wrong old every time I again. I worried that Serena this of all the the problems that that will endemic is causing. I think for Serena. She carries the weight of her own history. A Lock Happier. I think than than Roger does his iming Rogers. He's not as it seems to me with the idea of breaking anything at this point he just wants to. He just wants to keep playing and I think he enjoys it war I think he understands when he walks out. On Accord Everyone. There is trying to lift them up. Whereas when you watch Serena sometimes walk onto these big stages you feel the weight of everybody watching her like she walks like that leaden blatantly. If that's a word I think I think it again. You can pad your record. If you're veteran. You wanted to do something like that. I can't imagine and who knows what what's important to those people but I wouldn't mind seeing Serena have a couple more looks but I think I think Roger again can play some small ones in and get their if he wants to D-. Can you really see federal doing that Mary because it would be so as you say the the weight of history he certainly gives the impression federal that the weight of history doesn't sit upon him In quite the burdensome way it does props Oh with others bit if if he suddenly turned up at Winston Salem and Newport Rhode Island we'd it would be a tell it would be a tell Ryan it'd be it would be a Torque I've never played. Yeah it was like I wanted to but I mean I'm talking about yeah. I don't see him entering the North American Tournament. You can play Basel in a couple more times if he wanted to. You could play some grass court tournaments. He's never played. You Know I. I usually play here hollow but maybe now I'll play east for. I mean I can see him. I'd again I don't know what means the most to these people at this. I'm sure he's heard that Nottingham in June Israeli lovely pizza Roger Federal tens of wasn't so we'll we'll isn't that Serena play these boon. Yeah Yeah but again. It looked fires going to play. You talk about tells. I mean you look at the tournaments at Venus Williams plays in. Now she's GonNa what she turns forty this year. She plays a tournaments. Where you know. She's getting huge. Guaranteed whether it's in the mid east or in China you know and that's fine. I mean that makes that makes sense if that's what she wants to do. And that's they want her to show up you know that's all good but a lot of times you can tell by like and that's the interesting thing for me. If the French Open is serious about playing this year after the US Open Serena Has Been Shutting down her season after the US Open for us and basically Robert a Dahl. Does the same thing right. I'm in pretty much You know the guy who's got arrest after his. Us Open effort. So I don't know what I genuinely. I know I'm maybe I'm supposed to be kind of insider I have no idea how much tennis's credential tennis is going to be played this year. Yeah no none of us to what one of the thing. I just wanted to ask you Mary. You mentioned In the first part of this show just just in passing having been at the funeral of Jeannie Evert's the sister of Chrissy ever. It's an I just wondered if you could give Allison's a little bit of insight says to the person that she was an memories of her because we heard her name oversee when she passed away. We heard the details of of the fact that she played. I didn't know an awful lot. Better but Jonah. Stadium is terrific again. She's I just turned sixty three gene. You would've been sixty three in October. A couple years younger than her famous sister And I have been to win. Chrissy loss her dad. A couple of years ago I was at I went to that funeral as well and Chrissy you know. She's one of my favorite people. I Love Chrissy Martina. I'm lucky enough to have really gotten to know that. Well and I knew Jimmy ever. That guy looked his tennis watched a lot of it and when Chrissie went to the podium not including in church when she went to give her eulogy her and I'm thinking how she gonNa pull this off and she did with great grace and sweetness and she did the same thing just earlier this year with Jeanie Jeanie had been battling terrible cancer for a couple of years. She was a terrific junior player when she was fifteen she be Mortgage Corp. She didn't have the same focus as crecy choose very short. She was only about five one. So you know you could kind of. She can get overpowered but oil. She was terrific and There was a famous quote where Jimmy Evert. Were trying to convince his younger daughter that she could be great too. She could be a champion and Jeannie famously said back to Jimmy but I WANNA be happy. That men were to her and imagine being Chris Evert kid sister. I mean I can't be an easy thing to follow. The Tracy gave a beautiful speech The church was packed for genius funeral. Martinez had been skiing in Aspen and she came Pam Shriver took the red eye from Los Angeles. There quite a few US oldies. At least Bergen. Who I know has done some international commentary as well. Kristie talked about had terrific. Her sister was in an how loving and loved. She was what a great sister mother daughter she was and then she told his story about how well in an effort to explain. How will genie took being? Christie's kid sister like she always you know was gracious about about it. Increased tells the story about one time she martina played a doubles match against Genieford and the Russian Soviet at the time Omarosa and Genius Ogle won that match and Chrissy who's highly competitive as we all had seen over and over again with sat way with her sister to Chrissy tells the story she said. I didn't talk to Jeanie for three days. And we were sharing a room and every one of us just rocked with laughter. That in the midst of this really. Sorry Day that Chrissy Tell a story like that and make us all smile. Christie's been through a lot in the last couple of years. She's lost people she's truly and And I have to say I. I wonder sometimes we get together. All of us Billie Jean King obviously is a big part of the reason. We get together a couple of times all of the oldies in and enjoy each company. And I just cannot imagine that happening easily anymore. You know I just we. We meet a lot to each other. We've all we've gone to each other's weddings and funerals and happy times and said times and I'm very glad to be. I'm honored to be a part of that community. I'm honored and Oh yeah. Genie was. Was Somebody very special? Say it just shows when you when you talk in that way there is more to it than just the bid on the court and I think I think of Sorta Martina increase when I was when I was a kid. They were The the ultimate rivalry in tennis. They they were the Balkan McEnroe but it felt more so because it felt to me at least from afar as other needle between the two. They didn't get on when they were when they're absolute top of the game. And I I I find it quite moving. They seem now so close. It's lovely it's lovely. I mean considering that they basically made each other cry like every other weekend at some in some locker room somewhere in the world because they played each other so much and so and as much as look. If I'm not going to get into a big argument with anybody says Serena's greatest player on the women's side about it. Okay that's fine you know. Let's have a beer and talk it out but boy Chrissy Martinez supported the tour so long and for so well and they treated every tournament like it was special. They weren't just looking to get a warm up before a major People counted on them to show up and they did you. Never you never saw. You never saw either one of them lose early. Have a bad day. You know. It just didn't happen back then. They they understood how important they were to tour and they also knew how much the torment to them. I think I think sometimes their respective camps pitted them against each other when there was real no true animus between Chrissy got much better publicity for the entirety of their pit. People said Martinez Shave Manish. You know she looks like she plays like a guy that Martinez had to put up with a lot of stuff. That Chrissy never had to face in Chrissy had a lot more. I remember. There's Chrissy had Lipton ice tea sponsorship and in this channel kinds of stuff off the court. Martina headline a floor lows suck deal. Janna sock deal shoes. Bonnie your own clothes at Epworth. They were giving them serve for free but they weren't paying her. You know they're both as I said I'm very very I. We're we've all been touch. We text each other ridiculous stuff back and forth. Martinez is always on twitter. You know dumping on trump in the risk the risk of of his administration daily our whatever but we all keep in touch. Tammy is like we're all on it. It's it's a very nice. It's very nice thing. I played tennis at a great talk at a late seventies in the US. I mean tense was huge. Because it had it had connors McEnroe and Chrissy and Billie Jean and Arthur. Ashe's had great American players and then it had all these cool foreigners like organised ASEAN number two love who became an American. It was a great great time. I hit a real sweet spot. I I was lucky very very I I. I understand how fortunate I was. A and continue to be by the way I happen to have very much talking to you three. Well I was GonNa say you you. You had a nice a nice period of of your your era there and the people that you got tonight but I mean we can't quite believe luck really that we that we're here. We've just used up an hour and forty two minutes of your time and over two shows and now. I mean I could sit here asking you questions all day long. Thank you so much feel time. I mean it's it's interesting. It'd be nice. What a concept it would be wonderful so I think you'd better go. You can't actually walks. Kenya allowed to walk to release them released. E forbidden from Doe King Mary in Florida. No I know but you're supposed to do Allina. Yeah it's serious stuff. We gotta be careful. Mary talks on them. Like what's facing won. T full the ceiling in here person by the way the the woman. The neighbor's dog is now very active member of a community. What's up greet That I'm a part of. She's she's doing a guided meditation tomorrow night on on Facetime for residents of my building. I mean I wake up to liquor in the eye so I I I'll have to. I'll just have to sit out. All Souls of positivity at the moment catherine it never apart from a sort of brief hello to people she she lives near had never had a conversation with any of them now. She's suggesting to them. Jigsaw idea. Suggested suggested a jigsaw exchange on the community was they went nuts for it Mary. Honestly it was like it's just Invented Exchange your social distancing before it was even a cacophonous a rule social distinctions. It has been said Whitaker. What's up groups. This is when we come into a rain fakes out. Thank you for your pleasure. Absolutely thank you all for listening to US know. There are a lot of you out there. Everybody's everybody's finding this difficult and some of you particularly in different parts of the world. We'll we'll be having a terrible time at the moment so many different ways. We've had so many messages telling us that we're thinking of you. We hope you're enjoying the show that we're bringing to you. We're not GONNA stop. We're going to keep on plowing along and trying to come up with some good ideas and some some shows that can entertain you. There won't be as good as this one because this one we had Mary Carillo on. Do you have any parting thought from Ranchi? Essentially we carry. Tomorrow I mean what can I say? What can I am so exciting. I am too exciting for talking. As a rancher said after she played a great Wimbledon final against Steffi Graf in Lawson. Three she's She was philosophical. She knew just what to do. With the weight of that law. She came in and What can you say? What can you do sometimes? And sometimes you lost. And how true is that? She never lost her perspective. Put their listeners on the tennis podcast for another week. I don't even know the difference shot. That's shoutouts or we we wait for next week. I haven't got any chance out. Really was just one Mary impression so no Shazad. This week. We've had the full gamut and we will be back again next week for sure. We'll bring you whatever we can make an announcement in the interior. Yeah absolutely well. We can't wait for for more tennis podcast and thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.

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Welcome to episode one hundred and thirty two of the General PODCASTS, my guess is week or Jimmy Connors and his son Brett together. They host the advantage Connors podcast and I am pumped to how both of them sitting together and taking a break from. There's in order to do mine this week. Jimmy of course absolute legend. He won eight grand. Slam titles he. He also held the world number one spot for a total of two hundred and sixty eight weeks. He's still has the record for most open era tournament wins ever. Jimmy's got stories for days and Brent ads, the perfect color and perspective as somebody who grew up all around it, so let's get this thing started episode. One hundred and thirty two is coming at you right now. Jimmy bread is so good to have both on the podcast. Jimmy let me start with you. It's been a little while since you got caught up, but you and Brett have busted out with your own podcast. It's called advantage connors. Jimmy at this point in your life. You can do whatever the hell you want. Why did you want to jump into this space? And what are you looking to do with your platform? Jimmy Yeah you know Jimmy. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. I, it's I. I've always you know. Kinda wanted to do something and on the radio or You know to to have a voice and talk about tennis and a lot of a lot of. Things that go on over the course of not only my day, but everybody's Day and And bread and I were sitting around I. I guess a bread. Correct me if I'm wrong I think it was during the Australian Open and all of a sudden. He says you know. Why don't we sit down and talk a little bit about you know gambling and which is starting to come into tennis now a little bit and start. Start talking about the Australian, open and the odds. And who do you think's GonNa win? Who's the dark horse? And you know so? We we kind of sat down and talked about it and filmed it a little bit, and and you know came up with You know a pretty good project so You know it's fun. It's fun for me, but To do, but it's more funding. I get to do it with Brad. and. He's on his own down in San in Santa Monica and and you know I don't get to see him as much as I'd like. And this is kind of it brought us together a little bit more and You know so I can see him, and and also you know. Hear his views because you know his time around tennis with you know. His businesses in production and and for tennis and. He watches more tennis than anybody, so he kind of keeps me up the day. When I'm falling behind Brent let me just jump in Brennan. Got Ask you because I want to know what it was like not only growing up with Jimmy Connors. Your Dad but. Your Godfather, because it sounds cool shit, was it? Oh Yeah. I mean definitely cool, you know. I think everybody knows. Those guys are all their antics on the court. And then the personality and the bad boy stuff, but you know to me growing up, he was just dad. He's just just my pops, and that was just uncle nasty. You know I didn't even question why you know. His name was uncle. Nasty I was a little bit older. but yeah man. It's just It was great. I had a privileged childhood growing up around all those guys able to travel the a part of the tour. And have that during my upbringing I think you know it's benefited me and my career, doing stuff and tennis production and you know able to do this with POPs it's been really cool. Just because you know. He's got the the old school on lockdown. And you know he knows all the old players, and the old styles and everything, and and I'm able to kind of. Bring the bring the new school in a little bit of what's going on today and I think it's a good mix. Let's not love this Jimmy. I want I don't want this. Don Loses point because I think that when you what you said about Brad I, get this because I've got a couple of teenage sons right now and I literally can't wait until they're old enough for me to throw back a couple with them because I. Know It's going to be a great time now. The bread is a little bit older. What's it like to hang with him and then to collaborate on a project like this with your son? Hang on. I'm learning things you know I'm I've been kind of away for a while. Jim, and and you know to to get back into it and. You know get the feel of You know really a ten, not not only just tennis, but you know the way things really are and and I I've kind of kept mostly to myself over the last number of years and and have enjoyed that, but you know hanging with Brat and you know I. I'm not afraid to say it. Brett's forty, and you know time of. Hey, that's okay, you know. Time has passed. Quickly and For me I look back and You know I was traveling awful lot while he was growing up, and even though my family was able to come with me quite a bit I certainly did miss a little bit along the way and and So you know catching up and and figuring a lot of things out you know from now from then till now has been great, but you know Brett is He's modern. Day and in in more things than just tennis, and and You know to to sit down and into talk with him, and and to get his views and you know, get a different perspective in a in a different understanding of you know the way things are, and so as you know, it's good for me because he keeps me up to date and you. You know keeps my mind sharp, and you know with being under quarantine. That's a that's been an important thing to try to find a way to keep busy, and he certainly has kept me busy. You know bread I can I can just tell the affinity in the love and the respect that you guys have each other. It's very obvious like Brett one of my favorite topics is this? Notion of nature versus nurture like you said you had kind of privileged upbringing pops came up gritty e Saint Louis. I'm Kinda curious like your dad. Jimmy was running on some crazy rocket fuel his whole career like. If you could bottle that stuff, it'd be the best thing ever. Jimmy was so fierce. I'm kind of curious. Do you think that's nature or nurture for instance? When you came out, you hard wired the same way. How much of that bread is environment and culture like? Do you have that same fire on your good that he did? Yeah I mean I definitely think I have some of it in me I'm super competitive with anything I do I. Mean I grew up playing off and some tennis when I was younger. But I, I think I'd have to say. Maybe it's a little more I. Don't you know what I mean? I think as being around him and. Absorbing, you know his way of attacking things and looking at things and the way you know how hard he worked and hardly practiced. Train with them when you know when he was in the off season I go run these hills with them when I was, you know nine ten eleven years old, making halfway up the hill, and he just keeps going leaves it does. You know I think it's a little bit of both, but you know I think I picked up a lot of it just from being around him, so much traveled a lot with them probably a lot more than most kids, my age or able to, and you know I think some of definitely rubbed off. Jimi you of course one hundred nine ATP events eight Grand Slams you a top ranked player in the world, but you've been really clear about this that the best weeks of your entire career involved a tournament that you didn't win. Of course that was ninety one US Open for those who do not know or remember the extraordinary circumstances Jimmy of those two weeks. Why were the most memorable of your career? I think most of the one thing that that really stands out from those two weeks. Jim is is is the noise that the crowd made? and and that's that's what I. wanted my whole career that the fans would. Would get into it like that like a hockey game or a baseball game or a football game or a basketball game, and just you know really really lose it, and and and get involved and feel like they were down there playing and you know I I played for over twenty years on the tour, and and even though I was striving to to to try to get that throughout the course of those years, I never really figured that I had found it in until those two weeks because the noise there was deafening. And you know whether they. Liked me they didn't like me. They wanted me to retire. They wanted me to stay around. The idea was that they were there and that they were they. They could identify with a guy that that truly loved what he did, and had the passion for it. Every time he walked out on the court in was not afraid to show that. and and that I think that caught on to the point where you know after after so many years that. Of leaving my DNA out on that court and and you know and you. Mind with that JAM is in New York you leave your DNA there. They like that you know Wimbledon. They ask you to clean it up. Yeah you know, and but the New York crowd in what they gave me and and the. The the noise and the feeling of of of of welcome that that they had given me because I had missed it the year before I had reconstructive surgery and didn't know if I was GONNA play. ever play tennis again and and the welcome that they gave me back and then the the way they got behind me and pushed me. Because let's face it. I mean I should have been out in the first round. You know if if it wasn't for that crowd, and and you know all along the way you know. They pushed me in the harder. They pushed me. The more I wanted to play for them, so it was. It was beyond a perfect match. You know throughout the course of my career, but those two weeks was. You know was perfection or speaking of the surgery Jimmy. You may remember this. I'm sure you do breath. I don't know if you know this story, but I think as somebody in the media business bread I think maybe you'll related this on the way up when I was I was in Santa Barbara because I went to UC Santa Barbara and Jimmy. I'm sure that's not who I was because I was a young reporter on. On the way up, but we actually had a mutual friend. If you can believe this, and that mutual friend was a guy named Dr Rich Shamburg and he was the one that did the surgery on Jimmy's wrist, and the reason I knew him was I knew another guy named Kim Olson, did I used to play tennis with because I played tennis in high school in the Valley Brett, so we used to go to. Some of the mansions in Montecito, because my Guy Olson owned insurance company, and he tried to hustle business, so we would get on these courts with these rich guys as you guys know. Sports is the great equalizer, right? These rich guys sucked and none of them can play a lick. We used to tank all these matches, Jimmy so, my guy could get business, but he would never get any business and we'd get our asses kicked on. Like what are we doing here? It's the biggest waste of time and Mike I would say to me. Hey Man shut your mouth. We'll go to Harrys Plaza cafe. We'll get a couple of bloodies all pay for it. And this went on and on and on, and we never got anywhere. Point of the story is the DOC says to me one day, guys. He says Jim you know I did. Jimmy Surgery Doc. He's kind of laid back and quiet on. Michael you kidding you did this was because there was no social media. This wasn't news and Jimmy. You're very private and I said. That's amazing. He says to me. Would you like to interview him on Mike Yeah Yeah? That'd be great. You think he would do it. He was I think he would meet us at Santa Barbara City. City College on the track. He's working Jimmy's wargin. So we did the interview. I mean like fun fact, my goal with this nowhere other than to say Jimmy. That's how you and I met initially, but that was he did your surgery. HOW THE DOC! The DOC said you'll one point Jim. I I need to have a conversation with you. What was the conversation with DOC Sheinberg? Yeah I mean you you. You mentioned that storage I remember that story well and and You know going You know after I. Did that I I've been through a year of just nothing and I couldn't play. My wrist was bad. I would sporadically go out and try to play a tournament and. You Know I. Just you know I wasn't myself so if I, wasn't myself. I didn't really WANNA play. As I, wouldn't try to an event in Europe and and got hammered and got on a plane and came back and I. I remember calling doc and I said Jesus doc I, said you know just just not working out. He says he says you're you're you're back home and I said Yeah. I'm back home. He says you're seeing me tomorrow at nine o'clock. And I said doc I just got home. He says you're finished. If you don't come in you, you. You can't play. I said you're not you're you don't want to go play like that. You're not you're yourself. You're not playing up your own expectations. So, I went in and and and he went in and I went in to see him. He went in my wrist and You know tried to find out what was wrong and and I. I was awake while it well. The whole thing went on. Jim I mean it was an incredible thing and. Talking to him, and and after after about an hour and twenty five minutes, he says I got a close up now. You can't you can't your I'm can't be like this for any longer. He closed up and he and I. I'll never forget the words he said. He says it says either GONNA. GonNa work for for the rest of your life, or you'll be done in five minutes. And, you know that's that was a little. Little heavy. Yeah, yeah, and you know, but it was right so I, mean I. I went home and and was depressed You know it was down. I mean every everybody else out training and playing tennis and you know which was my job, which is what I wanted to do and you know so. I really didn't You know didn't figure out anything for for weeks. and. Until until dot dot finally knocked on my door because I know he'd been talking to my wife, Patti, and and just you came in, and he says this is unacceptable. You says get up, get out, and he says because at this works I'm not going to you know. Go in and take a chance on. You know doing all this having to be successful and you'd be out of shape. So you know I got up and you know. We went over and he started training with me. and. Got Me up every day and and you know work the into it, and you know the more, the more I did it. The better shape I got into the more. My mind got right and until. He finally you know, told me after I. Think it was like eight or nine weeks. He says he says I'm. GonNa Change Your cast and he says I want you to go hit on a backboard. You know or have or have bret an Aubrey. Throw your balls like you know. When when I first began as a beginner, and and and that's the way I got back into. It it was. It was an incredible experience. I mean do what I want to go through it again. No 'cause I waste of the year and everything else that that I had to go through to do that, but the the experience to get me through there, I knew then just how precious that time was. You know that to give up a year especially at that age I was in my late thirties thirty eight something like that then to have to give up a year then. You know was. Was A was a total waste and and and to be able to go out and play again I. I was not going to let that go by if if I was able to play and and From the very first day, the I'll be out there. I said my mind got straight, and I had one goal, and that goal was that if I could go play was to to to make a make some moisture, some noise at the US Open and you know. I played the French had some success played Wimbledon success, but you know once I got to the US Open. I felt if you know if I could win a mattress so i. I get stuck in the tournament. Maybe I could make a little noise and a little noise came my way, which was which was pretty good. It's amazing Jimmy. The thing I'm struck by with that story is at that age at thirty eight. Given what you've already accomplished. You didn't need to do that. You didn't need to put yourself out there. You go through the pain, the Rehab the surgery, but then again. That's always been your entire life solaire. Did exactly I was GONNA go there. Answer that for me. Why did you have to do that? Well I I didn't want to be told to go. You know if I was going to leave I had to go out on my own terms, and and know that that I did everything I could to to get back into to try to be what I thought I could be. and and if I wouldn't have had that surgery, and I just accepted that you know, and and kind of just kind of gone away with a whimper You know that wasn't my style. I was going go. I had to go. You know trying everything to to get back and and You know once Once I hit. That I ball once I played that my first match, coming back and I got hammered. You knows no, no, it wasn't a problem. I wasn't there to. You know to win. I was there to experiment You know to to figure out if if I kept going and got a little stronger and what I had to do to. You know to make the risk better. You know I I was willing to try anything in in at thirty eight. You know you look at that and you say you know you're not. And and you know I I live. My life played my tennis being nuts. And there was no time to stop now because you know, my time was running out anyway and to have one last shot. You know it. I'll I'll never forget you know when I when I got through. One of those matches my friend Stasi was watching and he he came up afterwards and he says he and it's. Been told many times, but he told me he says you got what everybody else wants Jimmy. And I didn't know what he meant. But. You've got one more chance. And and and you know I said. You know what he's saying that you know. How how do I? How do I? Step around that and say well. It's you know. Give Up. No, there was no no give up. Then then it was just let everything out, and you know hope for the best and never give up. Your whole thing was if it takes five hours seven hours ten hours, I'm not leaving this court until they drag me off the court so all this work Jimmy and you set it up because you want to make some noise in. In New York and you go to the US, open and hilarious in a way you drop Patrick. McEnroe in the first round given your history and rivalry with John that was kind of curious, but then all of a sudden Jimmy again you're the epitome of not dead can't quit, but then you suddenly down two sets to none to love two sets down three love in the third. What are you thinking in that moment I know you've never given up on anything. But truthfully. What were you thinking in that moment? You know. Things happened so quick. you know I I said all I need 'cause. I wasn't playing bad tennis. I was playing some pretty damn good tennis and and. At that time just getting beaten. And so I figured that you know one one something has got to happen here to change this whole the whole momentum whether it was. You know shot or a fan or a call or you know something was going to have to switch some of the momentum, and and you know to be honest with you. I wish I could remember. Go back and figure out what that was because I. Don't remember, but you know all the sudden. You know my my whole mindset, my whole attitude, my whole game changed. because it had to because you know being down that far I, mean it. was you know in doing what I was doing was not GonNa win that match. So once my you know, my game changed I became more aggressive. I became more confident in my shots I became. I became what I always was It's it seems Kinda crazy to say that, but but I finally found that feeling of what it was like to be me. and You know that you know if that wants that caught on then then I felt that just staying there and keep Ryan and you know I I made a living off of being grinder, and and you know got into it and got stuck into it, and I got more confidence. You know. Patrick might have felt a little bit of the pressure coming his way and. You know I ended up. Know coming out on top six, four, hundred fast, but yeah I. Mean it was a it was a story beginning to to Alaska had run, which led to the most amazing two weeks of your career like bread Jimmy. You and your mom and your sister home. You guys were not there for that, so you're at home. Are you watching this? What were you thinking pops was down two sets to love three Oh. Yeah I mean I definitely was watching Yeah, he'd send his home the week before Roy. Interesting story you. Got a second, please he. He played the Hamlet Cup, which was a tournament that that happened a couple of weeks before the US, open, you know one of the prelims, anyone. A couple round I can't remember what round it was, but he. I think he drew Stefan Edberg, and like the quarters something like the quarters i. think that's right up. He's upset and maybe even up a set and a break, and then all of a sudden. Stops doing what he's been doing the whole match. And I'm like I'm looking at the hill. You know what's going on, you know you know. He's been dominating Edberg the top two or three player at the time. And he ended up losing in three sets, and then we're driving back in the in the limo back to the city to New York. And I'm like what happened. You know like you had a suburb. Semi at us, and he's just sitting there. Almost with this kind of calm look on his face now like Kinda, just telling me like it's okay. It's all good you know, and now that I look back what he was doing. He was testing his game. You know he was up a set and a break on the top three player. You know in in I think what he wanted to do is make sure his game was okay. You know and then he didn't WanNa waste all the energy by making another round or making. Send me the finals. You know. He was saving himself the US. Open you know so much his. Year and a half before that had been focused on the US Open. And, so he figured he'd had his know. Game was an order. You know if you can get up the set and a break on the top three player. Then you know he's definitely ready to play the US. Open. So that always sticks out in my mind that you know two weeks before you know he was already thinking about. You know this first found the panel. A great story because Jim you never. That's the thing I mean like any other great athlete. You'RE GONNA. Go out there and get hammered sometimes, but you were never not prepared i. mean never ever not prepared. And I talked to Kurt Warner earlier today on my radio program and I think both you guys could really relate to this Jimmy especially you. Kurt was talking about. About how he's loved, he loved the film work. He loved the mental game. He loved to think his way through a game and I know you love to think your way through around around a match in a figure it out. If I were to ask you Jimmy what was your strongest tool then? Was it your game? Was it your mind or was it your heart? yeah. Right yeah, I I feel that you know. The intangibles are one thing that you know especially in tennis. Don't get enough credit. If you look at the game you go out there. Everybody plays great tennis. They hit the ball well, and and but it's it's Those who have you know the the will the strong mind and the heart the guts and you know and You know to to understand what it's like. When you get in a situation, you know how to handle it out to go about it. You know. Don't waste your energy. Don't waste your time. You know everything is done for a purpose and You know you asked me what was good. Certainly you know to to win tennis matches and especially Grand Slam tournaments which are two weeks so. You know playing three out of five sets. You've gotta be doing everything well, playing the game and and being a good mental state, but. If you, if you leave out that that that intestinal fortitude, you know what you have inside that That can never be let out left left off the table because you know when you got somebody who's got. That is willing to go out there and stay in play five six hours with you. No matter what you know, that wears on the other guy as much as it's wearing on, you know what would wear on me, and and but I was prepared for it. And, you know to you know I hate to give you a flip answer that yeah was all three, but you know to. You know especially at at you know getting later on in life and missing a you know in my career and and missing a year before you know I. I had to to adjust. To go into that tournament if I was going to. Stay in play into the second week and I did a few things very well and and was able to bide my time well on the courts I became more aggressive, and and didn't stay so much on the baseline, so I tried to get into the net a little bit more. But but What I had inside. I wish I. I wish I still had that in a lot of things I missed that. and and and I WANNA. You know I I I love the rocky movies. Jim and you know anything to do with sports, but there was one line. Into last rocky. and and he was gonNA. Just go in and I. Remember Him saying he says. Sometimes I. Just can't breeze. At, because because it's down there, because you never really get get that out of your system. You know and and to to you because you missed the training and you missed the travel you the matches you miss the glory. You missed the you know the getting hammered. You know till you missile that you know it in sometimes in in unless you are lucky and and I have been very lucky because I was able to to play, you know until I was fifty, so I got it all out of my system, but if I wouldn't have been able to come back and play after that rich wrist surgery I would have had that in me. That that I. I can't breathe because I wouldn't have gotten it out of my system. And I'll never you know I? I go back to that line because it's true I and and To have that in a movie, because you usually wouldn't hear that from somebody unless they were one of the guys out there doing the grind in playing and being one of the players, but it was in a movie, and I've never heard anybody else say at that way, but but I could identify with that because it's a you know walking away from something that you put your you know your, put your whole life into and and your whole being to try to be the best at something, and all the sudden it comes to an end, and and you know sometimes that's tough to take and a lot of a lot of these young athletes today. I hope they understand that you know this could be over in the blink of an eye also. That things happen and and You know so appreciate every day, and in work at it every day and give it your best every day. Because when it's over, it's over and There's no there's no going back and say I wish I could take that again. So, You have to live with that and and my my My what if I don't have one? What if and that and that's a pretty good for my mental state lots amazing. What a powerful message! So Brett ultimately picked Gulf over tennis. So what was it like playing golf? With Your Dad on the way up, and what was it like the first time you beat him on the golf course? Yeah I mean I played tennis till I was about thirteen, fourteen and I tried to play both sports for you're in high school and it was too much. So I? I was definitely better at Golf. I went with the golf and You know. He took me every day. Pick me up from school. You know once you know once. He was little once he was done on tour and we'd go hit balls and then play nine holes before dinner. You know and he would always beat me. beat me. beat me and. I can't remember how old I was. Maybe you know fourteen something like that. You know and I finally beat him and. You know part of me was excited. The part of me was almost like you know Oh you know. What I beat them all now isn't gonNA. Kill saggy or something like that and you know. I looked over and you know he was more proud of my accomplishment than I. was you know so? That just seemed like something that you know wasn't still from him from his mom. I think. She was probably similar when she taught him tennis and Kind of had the same story with him when he her the first time. It didn't take him long to be a he's. He's a little modest gem. It didn't take him long. He's you know. He learned right from the very beginning and you know took took the lessons and you know had had everything from the basics down. And learned it the right way and there's there's no substitute for that You know it was like you know. Be With the tennis you know I. I got the good basics early. And then you go on and spread your wings wings, and do other you know and move on and try to become better, and that's exactly what he did, and and You know all through high school. He got nothing but better, and and it was. was. Fun. You know when he'd take me along with him. Saying you know come on out, play with me once in a while dad, and then you know was kind of fun for him to still you know, tag me along and get in the games, but he. He had a good game from the beginning, but you know he also You know had had talent in tennis, too. You know he was a good athlete he was. A good basketball player, and you know, play tennis, play, Golf, and a good athlete, and and you know when when he didn't pick tennis that that wasn't a problem for me because I wasn't going to force him into that. You know it's a you know as as a tough enough game. You know he didn't have to live up to. You. Know what what what he would think. My expectations were of in, but even more important. You know the the world's expectations of email that would that would be unfair. You know so. When he went to Golf, I was actually Kinda happy about that in in in proud of him for picking his own way. I I think that bothered me a lot more when I was younger, the tennis aspect and trying to live up to his name, and that probably helps kind of push me into the Gulf War. You Know Kinda gave me. My own thing. To have is mine and. I look back at the time. You know those early days where we're both learning how to play it. You know some of the fun time in my life, just because you know spending hours at the quarters trying this and videotaping each other swing and going home, you know watching it on slow mo on the old. Records and Stuff like that was great i. mean you want your own guy to be sure and I know you're proud of your dad. Obviously, but I I remember even like growing up southern California and you know that that's a hotbed for tennis. I remember the junior tournaments. I can only imagine obviously the Bozize that must have been on your back. His Jimmy Connors kid coming up in the ranks, right playing junior tennis i. mean you probably ensure away from probably went after it, but that will wear you down. Wear anybody down. Yeah I. Mean I think you know I? Think when I was younger, I was a little too sensitive to it. You know almost where I would put too much pressure on myself and get to someone. beat me. I'd be like you know you didn't beat. You didn't eat my dad awesome, beat me! I Shit compared to anything compared to him. But you know I think it frustrated me earlier but I still use that. Competitive Drive, and and everything that he instilled in me. You know as a kid growing up in my golf game and played throughout high school, and I played a played a little bit in college and. Try and still get out there and hustle the old man once in a while to. Get over does that work? I don't know you know you gotta ask him. What his Andy CAPP is from day to day. It seems to fluctuate. It's got to play against too many Bantus out here. Right right, you guys, you guys hit Sam Piper. What are you planning these days, Jim? Yeah I mean the The courses are open up here. the Montecito Country Club is is not open and and the gentleman that owns that club also and Sandpiper in Rancho San Marco, so the those courses aren't open, but number of the other courses are open now, so we get out, get out and I play. You know try to play a day maybe two week if I can which is good, but you know I I enjoy the golf Jim it's a it's A. It's a good replacement. But it's it's not tennis. You know to me I, mean I! It's I, mean my heart, my love. My everything is still to that game and into. You know and and you know. Somebody asked me the other day says do you miss it and you know I? My only answer to that is every day. I Miss I miss everything about it I missed the traveling this the practice I missed the training. You know most of all I missed the matches, but you know time has certainly caught up with me many years ago, but but it's It's just that feeling of of of still thinking that that hey, give me half a shot and let me go out and try it again. You know that that this kind of fun to to to think about or talk about once in a while, but I, certainly don't harp on it, you know my past is my past and. I loved it and I lived in in. every day that I played it but you know it is my past and I have you know have such a great family? And and you know my life now is You know every Sunday I told my. Telling my my family, my mom and my grandma, and my GRANDPA and my dad, I I, thank them for this life. They've given me and and I'm so I'm such a such a lucky guy. Such lucky guy. It's so amazing. Jimmy whenever I talk. Athletes about woody miss most inevitably, though say the Camaraderie, the Camaraderie, the Fellas, but these guys from team sports. is so different like I'm really curious for instance like in that fourth round of the open. You played Aaron Krickstein another famous famous famous match? You guys were good friends. You guys. We're tight, but the world's different I'm curious when you watched the last dance with Jordan, and you could see that this guy did not want to connect with or Fratton is with the opposition. He wanted to rip their throats out. This is the way it was when you played. Played in the such amazing rivalries, but that's not say that your friends. I mean you were tight with Vitas you retired witnessed Taza humor France. How did you approach that? Could you fraternize with those guys or was it all business all the time? Know wasn't all this all the time I mean. It was when when it was on the court. It certainly was you know and and you know I I'll tell you the story of of. He was such. Such my best friend from from day one. He really took me under his wing and and We were under the same manager. Bill reardon at the time and so he took me and and and really showed me the ropes at a young age. You know a good ropes and bad roads, and which was fun, but but I. I don't know I I. Think I WANNA. Say Ten Times that we played. He beat me. And the reason being was because. I was too good friend, or he was too good a friend to me. You know an and at that time I was young and I couldn't separate the two he could I couldn't. You know so I remember one going home and I just lost in the stars, and my mom said you know you better beat him, or you're going GONNA lose him as a friend. You know because he's GonNa. Lose respect for you, and and that was that that got into my head so quick that that said you know you're right. And and from that time on I think we became better friends. You know when I. When I started beating. but but I say that. Only, because from that point on you know once. I walked onto the court. It was all business. I could I could let loose a little bit after the you know to get away from it and all that, but when I. When I was in it I was in and out in and I wasn't going to. Alber screw up and and even though I did a few times, I couldn't afford to be. Too many people invested too much in me. My mom my, grandma my. GRANDPA my dad. Pancho Segura my wife Patti my two kids. I I couldn't I couldn't afford to screw up to the point of of never giving it my all because you know, they didn't invest the money. It wasn't the money. You know it was the you know the love and the care, and and you know the the allowance to me and go into to take care of my business. and and so yeah, once once I walked onto that court. You know I. I was a different guy. There's no doubt about it and and you know I I like that I love that attitude in me, and and I miss that because I'm older now and I. Don't have that release and so I. Don't have that but I I certainly missed that every day. I mean Jimmy was so much more than money. They invested your your mom. Your grandma, your father, your GRANDPA, the invented. They invested so much more than just money. Their life, right life I'm new move to southern California to train with the right coach and went to Ucla. You are national championship as a freshman like you mentioned your mom. Your mom famously taught you to play. She taught Brett to play like what was your mom like? Well, have you she? You know she was you know the. She handled me my whole career. Really and so you know she was You know a woman dealing with men in a in a in a man's game. You know to. You know to deal in back then. That was pretty unacceptable. You know so you know she? She was beyond gentle beyond kind. but at the same time she was tough. But she knew when to be tough. and I don't mean just on on me and and playing tennis I, mean in you know in everyday life I mean you know. She was not want she. She was five foot at the best one hundred and five pounds at best, but you know she wasn't. GonNa take anything from anybody. And you know from from my standpoint I think I learned an awful lot just watching her. You know the way. She handled her students when she would teach him The way. She dealt with people the way you know. She was around the game of tennis and then the way she was when she wasn't around the game of tennis, and so she and and my grandmother. You all of them, my grandfather, my dad, you know what I picked up from from. All of them was was instilled in me. And and You know to to say that that that just to say well, you know. My mom was tough. She was a stage door, mom, she was none of that or she was all of that. You know it's just it's a matter of how you looked at it and. And and felt about it, but I'm am going to say this gym that she was from me one hundred and ten percent. You know no matter what you know that that that that she was for me, and and once I got out there and and was was having a chance to make it. She let that be known. And people didn't like that. You know they they didn't want to hear that. You know that that she was so far me like that, so you know she got the well. She never made it, so it's more important for son to make it now. She was none of that. She made it on her own, but but she instilled in me. You know the the what that what she meant to me that loyalty that that she had towards me was something that was you know you could never get in between fascinated by that I? Want to ask you about the podcast and one second just one quick follow and believe me guys. I could do this all day long. I'm going to wrap it up. Up So I don't do this all day long, but Jimmy I guess in a sense like I totally accept that and believe that embrace that she was not living vicariously through you. She had a life your extremely important to her, and she gave you everything she had. I wonder it must have been hard for her to watch you play. Did you finally get a sense of what it must have been like for her? When you yourself started to coach? She called me more every day when I was coaching with with Andy. You know what what you're telling him. Now I think if you did this telling you. That would help you know Did you think this? Maybe we should? I'll call you later. You know I mean it, was she? She was as involved. From a distance as she could be and and Andy success that he had along the way when we were together. She loved it. She she kinda live through that a little bit because she. She has gotten housebound, so she got to. You know to to know what it was like to almost you to. Be Their only on the television again and and she was, she was so happy because. Two people in the World Jim that that love tennis. Was My mom and Pancho Segura. They would watch tennis nonstop. They would talk tennis nonstop and anytime you give them a chance. They'd been earier on it and and that was You know I knew. then. What was what it was like when she watched me because when I was coaching, Andy I want I think I was in the stands wanting wanting him to win more than he wanted to win share and it was just that was in that was my nature, and and and he made me proud so many times it was It was a fun couple of years. We had I can hear it. It in the family, the whole family thread the thing I like about you guys and I've never spoken to your mother. I never met your mother, but you could tell it just missing a sound, and not we flip, but it's a no haters zone you guys are. There's nothing weird you guys are it's it's pure unadulterated love. You're pulling for each other. Nobody's better than the other is his family. This is. Is Blood like an brings me back to the original thing that you get to do this project together like bread. I think probably it's not a big deal to you because you grew up with your in the business. It's always been like this, but the fact that you guys pulled Mike Tyson as your first guest is something I've done this for thirty years. This is not an easy guy to get to. To this is not an easy gotta turnaround, and he's certainly and I've had my moments with Mike some good and some terrifying. He's not the easiest guy to be with. Either when you get good Mike, it's it's amazing. Mike is like the most charismatic guy but Mike's not in the best way. Look the hell out Brett. What was it like to be with an interview Mike for your first on the podcast. Yeah it was. It was pretty ethics dude, I mean. I've always been a fan loved the guy you know growing up watching him play and in the fight. You know and the CNN kind of have some troubles in life, and then pick themselves back up in You know seeing them build themselves the way. The way is now. He's you know he's backed up on top almost It was a little intimidating. At first you know 'cause you. You know the first time I've interviewed anybody. That was you know. I've done some stuff and my job, but never you never with real hard hitting questions you know usually it's more soft fluff in you know week. We little softballs that you. You know you love the Guy, but you know he was open to anything I mean you know ten or fifteen minutes into the end of the interview? He was tearing up. And you know we're talking about family and ego, and just you know he might be one of the most interesting guys in the world, but it was. It was awesome. I mean Jimmy you're as a world class athlete Jimmy. You know what makes take what makes guys go. How Eager Jimmy you to sit down with Mike, and how'd that go for you? Have you? Brought up the storage, and I was playing tennis in Europe and he was fighting, and and they, they tape the the fight for me, so that I could instead of staying up until two or three in the morning to that I could could get up the next day and watch it I mean you know He. He's the kind of guy you know for me. I mean I love Dali I love Frazier and you know Sugar Ray Leonard, and Tommy hearns and you know Marvin. Hagler I to see so. Many of the greats fight over the course of the years. But Tyson was was a different breed, a different character He walked in the the ring. He you know he had You know shorts on shoes on. Yeta torn towel over his neck, and he and he was no frills, he just he just wanted to get down to business, and and I love that you know he I asked him. I said Do you study? Study you know because I never really studied my opponents I. Just took my game out there. You know if that work that was good or try to adjust, but he said I study. You know before I walk out there as I'm walking out, I'm looking at one last thing always so I know exactly what? I'm GonNa, do you know and and to hear that from? You know from the champ you know. And you walk in and you're. You're expecting. You know somebody that's you know six six, and to sixty or whatever he's not. He's five ten five eleven, but you know he's a truck you use. The tank is just GonNa come at you and just give you everything that he has. You know from from the minute that bell rings you know that that to me I mean that's that's. That's my Kinda Guy. You know that the. Dahl in tennis and and You Know Tyson boxing where you go out there and you're going to have to bury the guy to to get him off there. And and he was, he was fun to watch man, but the to talk to him and bread set it right. He has one interesting guy, and and You know to to to picked himself up and you know and got back in the game like he has and and become. You know just as a problem just as popular if not more than than he was back then she's you know what a story that is, and you know nothing but the best one Jimmy One last opera I want you. You to make sure that everybody knows how to find the podcast and where to find you guys on social. I'M GONNA. Ask you that one second Brett Jimmy to your point about Mike saying when you ask them, did you study? How did you prepare? I can remember that era very clearly and Mike Jimmy had so. Many guys beaten before they step through the ropes because he was so terrifying and he was so intimidating. Tennis is so unusual. Jimmy like, did you? Could you win matches in the locker room before you took the court? Were you able to kind of intimidate guys getting their heads before you even played them, but it was unintentional Jim. Yeah, come on, come on. Me Doing. Awesome, anyway but. You know that that wasn't allowed in tennis. Come off, so we're tight shorts. Shoes. You know you know tennis golf. Tennis Change Jim Tennis changed in the seventies and the eighties. It went, it went from a country club sport and you know. Every everybody Love the game. You know she seems to just WanNa. Be a part of it. They you know we we were losing. You know the Real Sports Fan you. We playing in front of five thousand people was great. Great Fans and all that, but you know we needed the hockey fans, and and I've talked about this many times to to build Tennessee to where it has become now and and they. The those fans weren't gonNA put up guys hitting tennis balls. You know and granted we were you know we were the wild west back then there were no rules really, and and did we step over the line? Sure we did, but you know it was. But we had to you know we. We had to to to try to get the tennis on a different level. in and the guys that that I came up with and the way they handled, andled it, and you know the charisma and the characters, and the excitement that the that they all brought to the game and their own way. forget just the tennis, but even you know just just as much vitas off the court. Life was just as important as the way he played tennis. And that and that's and that's what sold. That's what was selling. You know not just Tennessee. You know you wanted to know. Where did he go to studio fifty four after the? Five, hundred match at the US Open. People wanted to know that because we were real people, we were real. We were them, you know. Down on the court you know playing for them. That's an and I. think that's what a what caught on for tennis in the seventies and eighties that that that they that they felt like they were off down there, playing and You know what a fit. Illinois. Now any man get it out of the country club. Give us some personality. Give us some rivalries. It was so awesome like I got tired of asking the question of like. What do we do how we get that back? Is it technology? Do Guys had played the Jack? Kramer's and go back to the wooden rackets is just too much. Serve Volley. Point survived point. Where's the personality, Jimmy? What was it like? Dat vetus with you in that run at the US Open Ninety one well I. You know. He was a good outlet for me because he was doing the TV. so I had a. you know I'll always felt that. I had a friend up there booth and I talk. Even though I wasn't getting an answer back, but I you know Kinda quit. Say a few little quips to him and and you know. Kinda relieve a little bit of the tension. You know you know to to go through that and and you know it's Vitas traveled with me for a couple years even before that US Open and Europe we play doubles at the French together and then after that he played the senior tour. With me for a couple of years and before his passing, and I mean he was, he was the the ultimate for me anyway, he was the ultimate. Not only player, but but for for the cocktail parties in in the pro ams and. His his what writer? He was the guy, right. There was nobody better I mean he he would walk in and he'd. He'd be a part of everything right away. and he was I I miss him every day. It's it's funny. I mean I say that about a lot of people, but but his personality, and in in what he brought the tennis and then everything else that. Did he got around was was pretty special. You brought one thought about Vitas like it's easy to get caught up in him. Being the guy in the look and the hair bright, he could play now like Vitas set-asides number four right in the world. He could play. Yeah he he won well butter you. You'd know more than I, but he he wanted. He I want. Australia was in the finals of the French is in the finals. The Open Semifinals Wimbledon. Davis Cup. I mean he's. He's had a a hall of fame career, and he's not in the hall of fame. Come on! A lot of guys in there with a lot less you know that are that are in the hall of fame that and and not to have vitas in there's It is a sin. It Brett I normally. Don't keep guys this long and you guys are now in this game. So you know how this goes, but that's how much fun that wasn't i. so appreciate it bred. People WanNA find podcast. Where do they go to find it? And if they WANNA find you guys on social where they go to find you guys on social? Yeah! We're available on all the major off cast platforms podcast spotify Google podcasts Yeah on twitter. You can follow us at a DVD connors and instagram. All you can spell it all out at advantage, connors and we have a youtube channel advantage connors, so you can follow us with all their and check out the podcast and give us some feedback. We'd love to hear from I. Love that. So, how is your photography business? It's good man. It's tough right now. Just not being able to travel and do so much, but you know I I still get out there. You know I love love. Taking pictures in door I got thrown. AIRFLI- that around? I can get a chance and you know it's fun I love doing it. It's and if I could make a little money on the side you WANNA to. Blast Jimmy. That was so fun I again. I didn't mean take so much time. It was so great to get caught up to meet Britain have him on the program, Jimmy. That was so much fun print. Appreciate you, too. That was great. Thanks, guys! Thanks, thank you. My thanks to the Connors Jimmy and Brett, both what amazing conversation that was that was an absolute blast, and make sure you find their podcast advantage connors wherever you get your podcasts. Hit them up on twitter. Let them know what you thought. What you just heard I'm back next week with another episode like I. Always Am so make sure you get subscribed right now until then here or your coveted voicemails I. Miss Eight. Thirty three years old African American male, he gets together with small, but as long beach where he was one of the only black person there they get together, and they had a brunch last year, and to make a long story short, the homeowner had to take off for a minute and my dad. He goes into the backyard to pick a lemon off of his friends, and I'm intrigued and his neighbor season. She calls the cops. They cordoned off the block and Yeltsin, my father, a megaphone to come out with his hands up. He's on the ground, handcuffed the neighbor. The homeowner sees a block away comes out. Police know what's going on, and they let him go. This is not nineteen, sixty, nineteen seventy. This is last year blows me away around. That's just kind of a sense as to what we have going on. Appreciate doing this show man this a great. We need to talk about these issues. Thank you. Massive saved next message Romi. Might. Have you know and you just want? Let you have me and the FELLAS. We're going to go out made it to not. Some cat I join daily going to be with US I mean you're gonNA, call multi and get some cash. Set up in here. You know what I mean like any ice. You know the number you may ring. Eight. Message deleted next message Trim Rome. This is Jim from Ohio. I'm laughing my fucking. What she did to Fabien Territory Larry. It was the best yet you've done I'm crying. I'm dying Dude I love it. I'm glad you can make me laugh during the pandemic. Keep up the good work for other. Message saved next message Jimmy Johnny in Texas. What's going on? Am pre-state the show today? Thanks for hitting that topic I'm totally on board and any clone doesn't WanNa, follow you because they don't like you. Have Marines social issues? Sia, don't let the door hit you in the ASS. Peace I'm out, brother. Massive saved next message Romaine just. Hey Brock congratulations on having I mac off from a video, but you said offense. You said you're going to be watching that thing from your hot tub. Favor staying tub. It don't make that phone call that day. In fact, the. Bra I WANNA be hearing from is fake ship introducing once again? Joe Paul Mary hotdog take a May come home. Message Deleted Next Message Jim Twenty one year listener to show I live in Kansas City Missouri and I. Just want to thank you for the show you've done today. I think it's actually the most important show done I know you say that you're a sports. Talk show host, but you have a big microphone and I think you're a very intelligent and FIFA person, and with intelligence, and the microphone carries a big responsibility, and you've carried out that responsibility very well. I've never called you show that I felt so strongly about this I was compelled to call. Thank you very much. MASSIVE SAVED NEXT MESSAGE HEY JIM ROME! My name is Tina I live in Lamesa where the riots happened and I'm telling you, they're small businesses. Crying in freaking out because businesses were looted and vandalized. It's ridiculous. Something's gotTa Change in Nineteen Ninety two. If they would have prosecuted those that be Rodney King that was live on the air for the world to see. Would've been different now. Thank you, I'm out! SAVED NEXT MESSAGE JIM FOGGIN. Rome just want to say thanks for the Brandon Boyd. PODCAST dowse fucking ethic I can never call show 'cause I have a mouth that makes crackers flushing since sailors running the bar, covering their ears, but I got a set fire to my source, because they didn't even know good in that interview, I do want to get on the Brandon Boyd and Jim Rome mailing list for your guys and book. Club out would be fucking awesome. I believe there's nobody you can't interview although I think the one air you haven't have you got interview someone from the adult film industry make it happen. Nothing saved. You have no more in that suggest. 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Windows must massive. Pillow and they. Said I need some some about the. Snacking. Had Long Hair. You know come Michael Jackson. started. Clad as Africa. Over the last five years Grammy Winning Producer Camera Obe has the direction of Chicago's hip hop more than anyone at least anyone that I can think of, and it's almost unfair that this guy not only produced the most phenomenal beats, but also lay down some killer hooks purses, and as we talk quickly realized we're both grown ASS. Kids as we reminisce about old Disney films new Disney Films Video Games suburban Life School, quitting your job the following your dreams. If there was ever an inspiring story, it's all within. Within the pages of Cam, story and I am pleased to present a few chapters of that book to you as we dive into the ten thousand hours of his work ethic, which leads to his new album. Before we get to that, though I just want to say, may's my favorite month of the year. In fact, it's my birthday and the boss man Jay. 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Good up to a good afternoon cam. How you doing I'm good. Man I'm good been A. Man Things went left. In the world, and how are you hold on this whole isolation social distancing manner you hanging in there doing the best that I can actually. The making the best of it, you know. I've cut like a nice stride lately in life, but also creatively. And it's it's really got me thinking about just creativity in art on and the purpose of art as a whole. Getting me to rethink all that productivity. How glad to hear that because I thought you would be up your old world of warcraft account and just wasting time, but. I mean I've been doing so. I! You know I have. It's been fun I haven't even. Man. There's this game agent. I haven't played in years. I. Don't WanNa play again. I've been listening to video game soundtracks all morning. Thanks to you! Listen to remain heroes soundtracks. Man I forgot how much of a jam that stuff is. Oh, well. Yeah, they had you know I was into. I just Kinda did a slight comb over some your old interviews and I was like man me and him. He's like times more talented than me, but. I was GONNA? Ask you so you're into video games. I'm definitely into it. I and you know what since I've been doing this podcast. I've I would say half the people I interview credit streets of rage, two as like their inspiration for even getting an C. Whoa really day and wet generation are they come thirty, one eighty nine. I like the same age as me to about the same, so like Brandon DJ early staffer Joey Bad ass, and the whole pro era that was often streets of rage two they they were just smoking, playing video games and college and now. We love this stuff and let's start making music. You gotta listen to that one because I, Know Brandon Shaming. He's he's a good dude. He showed me around showed me how to use the train in New York when I visited. Yeah, I think my vision of this podcast was kind of how you discovered Connie from a twenty year old XL magazine, I want people to go through my guest list, and maybe they'll find a producer older young. That has an interesting stories. They never heard before. It's kind of same formula you know. Hell Yeah I feel that Yeah. That's so cool. That's so cool and I'm glad to be able to to provide. There's somebody out there if you're if you. Do you. Do you have Disney plus by any chance? My sister does so I use her account, but but I watched dumble the other day. Did you re watch the three Caballeros? Yes. How you know that one never been. I if you like the film checkout the legend of the three caliber, it's also a Disney plasma. Oh I didn't even know it exists. So. Okay I'm definitely GonNa because you know the company. Also. When I was a kid man, I used to watch that. Like on VHS religiously like all the time, and it was so interesting. I don't know. I just loved it. Man Like it was so amazing and washed a request. Don't between sixteen, so that was like four years ago. You know at in addition to all the feelings that I had as a kid coming back when I was watching it. which is all like a crazy thing watching stuff from your childhood, but? I realize how. Damn trippy that. That movie was. Out like. Crazy was in psychedelic. End Just wacky was. And but so cool still, and it's like anime in the eighties. It was just there wasn't a blueprint for it, so they could just be as crazy as they wanted to be. With the narrative and the animation and every day is Egli. Dance I'm definitely GONNA. Look at that though. I'm putting you on some stuff you put you put me on. This man I watched this interview, did and you? You came across this album called Sky Islands. And I was like that album has one of my favorite deejay premier samples of all time, but it was called pitch-black there's. Over relies over Pitch Black Maria. Pitch Black relies. One to. Kiss! On my God, like like who's GonNa put Marley Marl sample with with. A Sky Islands in the ancient source I mean it's it's insane. I know. Yeah Premiere man like it's Craig's all those hip hop. Brokers like that one particular. by a Z. There's a song by as e I. Think is produced by Premiere. AIZIE. Who is the format? Yes, the format. dudes that we're kindred spirits right now. Yes though that beat so that be? And the pitch black be the real be and diddy Bob. no-name. To me like they all draw from the same Palette of the same. Kind of Texas seems sort of. World in New, York City Cameron It's like there's something about those. If you're like if you're feeling it the similarity between those for songs, but that sound that is in the format filling us in the format, and in all real like inspire me tremendously. and. It's also in that sky. Highlands sample that a that a Caldera simple. Ancient source it's in there and it's a lot of jazz fusion records in like And it's also in video game. Music is a lot of music is very jazz fusion esque like Hedgehog. Greenhills on Mike Barrowman's sixty four, which is to me? The best game ever made. It's a tragedy because they never made another one like that since. Never made another one like for it, either it's the only game of its kind. That exists and the music is insane. and. There's this common thread through all of those all of that music to me. I never thought we would love Cameron in their two, thousand and four, I was in college, and I remember I had a nineteen eighty nine Honda accord with four fifteens in the trump, because that's just what you did. In two thousand four right and Cameron's purple haze came out, and those are track on their called Killa Cam. Do you remember that Song? Yet. School? The base in that song hits so obnoxious. -Ly Crack my back windshield. Purple Haze just came out I'm not really big on sequels but I don't know. What was your take on it? I didn't even know I didn't even know probably. Last year! His comeback and I think a lot of Oji rappers. They do that when they want to revisit the well or become relevant. They'll just slap on a to to their old records. On it, yeah. I don't like cigarettes, either. Because of the fact that like sometimes you can get away with sometimes it can work, but like it's usually a branding thing so and then do with the music and the energy in the VIBE. That was there the first around. They just are like taking the brand. Identity brand the strength of the brand from the original thing. In an slapping the to on it so that they can use the brand to bring to bring the same audience it it would. It would be I, hate people do that because it plays are emotions as As fans of music, because we know like you said, we're tied to the memories and. And the feeling of that of that classic. In so, you kind of playing with us like I'm doing another one doing it again. But you're not really doing it again, you just. You just put it in that package again. You know one of the first ten minutes. We've already talked about like animation and video. Games music. Your sister, though was the one put you on musically, but she's not. With the say she's, she's for lack of a more finesse words. She's more than you. She's yes creative and and visually imaginative. Is You correct yeah? It's funny I think she is the way she expresses herself. Is this you would another that? I kinda like 'em. Moore the. I kind of have this I guess image when people. Meet me who soon as this nerd? You. Know this all like most people when they see me. They asked me if you're an artist on. You know like and I'm like them is really that allow. Me But like. But with my sister is is not as obvious but. I. Get all of this like a lot of that from her. You know an older brother to motor. Brother was always that to me to like grown up, and he was sort of like my sister, but a little bit more Nerdy, but you know he was out. Running the streets, he was like a genius. archetype this architect by made up, you know how young has architects? Have the have this one archetype that that that I made Mehta based on my life experience. This type of person I call hood genius in its people that I meet them met in my life who are from the from the ghetto who are hood who do things? Like, sell drugs and shit. But should the associate with with the hood live in, but at the same time there's something about like culturally. They are also like. They're exposed to all these other non hood things. And like they're also like. They're usually very much into anime. There's very. Hyper intelligent philosophical stuff that was like my big brother and an athletic like like very good sports can probably draw azoff really good at playing an instrument or some sort of creative thing like that, but also. Sales, we also like is in a gang. You know yeah, I like that. It's just like on your parents. I have three kids, and they've all spiderweb into very different human beings all from the product of your environment because when I think Vegas. Jerk reactions thing about the strip. People don't know that there's a hood in Vegas. There's there's real life. There really is an and I'm one of six actually as a big family. I'm GonNa Credit your older sister to with. With listening to the Neptune's before people were listening to the Neptune's hell yeah. was maybe sister was a big music fan man like? Nan like she was a real big music fan, and she she has so. She had it all and she was listening to the music. You know for the pure love of the music. You know that s w v. when this feeling was her jam, she put that on. That was her cleaning music. Too, but they don't repeat it. I remember like. Plane Remember sitting down the Hallway, listening to that Song repeat which Nixon was produced before they were like a big name, and I love that song, but it just every time I hear this song. Bring back the memory me. Her plane I repeat missing in the hallway playing with these glowna dark mega blocks which are like. Oh, those are blake legos weren't the I remember those. I remember those. We! Where are you from? I'm from central Texas near Austin I'm not too far. Texas is a big state. It Yeah I. Have family in East Texas. On my big brother lives in damn. It isn't Kaleen now. Oh, my God, I live in colleen. What's up only? Up Lean. Right I think he lives there. I don't know if he's there. He's somewhere I. Remember he was back into places in one of them so group in Killeen. My whole life. Dan has crazy. Here's what's even crazier. The Neptune's didn't produce that. They Co produced it and the guy that co produced it. His name was David. Nick turn I think he's like he's seventy years old now. He's working with a with a twenty year old ferrall and he went on, and and he got nominated for ten daytime Emmys for his work on soap operas, and nobody knows this guy is oh. Hell. Yeah, that's so interesting. He's the guy last night and I c.. H. T. E. R. N.. He's working with a ferrall. WHO's barely drinking age at the time and you can leave commercial music and reinvent yourself as a musical director on one life to live cats so crazy. 'cause you know. It makes me think because that song uses a sample. It makes me wonder if he. Had any part in that original sample I would imagine that he had i. mean because this guy was fifty at the time in forever twenty I imagine that He. Probably was mentoring him. And because when I listened to that song, it doesn't really sound like commercial. Neptune's yet. It seems like they're still trying to. This is like the rump Shaker days. Yes, yes, it is like 'cause. Yeah in the early nineties. Like I'm okay. Okay, I'm looking. That song that. Sample voices by Maria Dr Written by David Nick Turn thirty though I mean. If I'm going to compare that to you, it'd be like Oh. Yeah, this cam, the cocoa butter kisses guy, but now he rap sings. He produces his own albums, which is a creative leap, a lot of producers either can't take or won't take You're right. You're right, man. That is such a crazy thing for me to. To Take that leap like you said a lot of them. You can't take it or won't take it for me. It was for a long time. It was luther, both, but it was like the the former more so than anything I always I wanted to. But I was so afraid that I couldn't so I didn't for a long. You know 'cause I was like. I was putting myself in this in this box. I was telling myself down. I didn't realize it, but I was like. You know I'm just a producer. That's all I. Do is just make beats I help people get their vision. You know like I was telling myself that in which is a crazy thing about identity, and how we identify cels in things like that, but just them this label of producer on myself, not even really knowing really what that is all the way, but yet doing that kind of kept me in that box. For good for good reason now because a time it led me to to really like go deep into being a producer and get really good at that you know and I started on eleven and been doing that since then I'm thirty now so like. Nearly twenty years, but in the process. There was more that was coming to me than just. The duties of a music producer in an anomaly that like I'll be being the studio making artists. And I'm not just making the beat. On just I. Don't I I never really? Sent beats the people. My whole life I do it sometimes, but I really come alive on. I'm in the room which? We're building a song coming up with the concept coming up with the lyrics you know coming up with the. Vocal melodies you know I'm given a lot of rappers rap flows. You know because like they're writing in like manner trying to figure. And I'm and I'm like I got something I'll just like gibberish. Averse. And they'll take by parts from it that they like incorporated diversity I was doing it for a long time so I guess it was always in me to be able to do more than just make the be. Is that limiting? Because it seems like you don't make one hundred beats and let people choose your motor. Craft beats like you said with people in their studio. Is Limiting. Yeah, I mean you could make five beats a day and sell it a thousand a piece, but instead I mean because what's cool is like you say you produce for Kendrick Lamar even if he jumps on one of your productions, and you don't find out until the song is done, it doesn't matter your. That's going on my resume I don't care is Agley absolutely. You know 'cause I gotTA. You know I got A. I got to go myself. We are in America. But but I would say. It's interesting because. Man I'm so happy that I'm able to I got in to the to the industry in a very nonconventional because I came up like my first big break was chance rapper INVINCI- like that movement basically. Being one of the architects for that whole Chicago sound that they were calling it at the time. I in it. It was just us. Making records making this having fun making songs with these local artists who I just met because I. I'd never adding grow up in Chicago, just went out there and twenty twelve. Took a made a fateful decision to quit my job. Go out there only knew one person was working out his studio. In living at his studio and A VIC Mensa within that month, and then from there everything just blew up on the Internet, but so I got in a very unconventional way, but it's interesting. Because of the way I got in I. got into doing things I. WanNa, do them. So as I started to transition into the music industry tried to like. Continue that tradition. That we're working when I'm like a meeting with major labels, and it's funny. 'cause I would ask them. They would wanna get me in a in a session with one of the artists like I remember One of the NR'S AT A. Things vice president at the time. At Atlantic, records, He had told me. That after chance blew up and everything and I'm meeting these guys. He told me that. Hey, yeah, so we've got these artists. Atlantic that are looking for records like you know you mentioned like Wiz Kalifa. Bruno Mars. CEELO, green and I was like. He's in some beasts. Send US Americans and I was like. Can I get in the studio with them and like? You know makes them from scratch. That's how I did it with chances and you know and they're like. He was like so not about that news. I own like he told me basically. I gotta be like for real in the sense of like I got to have his already. On the billboard nor to do that. And I remember that being like very disappointing. For me. And also. That was like me. Discovering with the industry was all about it was not about music to me, and so I was like okay. but it's funny I I. I did anyway every time I. Did did it that way? Nothing ever got placed like a lot of those songs made. Those guys ended up using from Ireland album, but I ended up eventually getting things my way when j Cole at a hit me up directly because he had heard something I did. a beat. I did for one of his artists boss. and. he asked me to send visas like same spills I. Hey! You know I normally don't symbols I. Do my best work when I'm like in the studio with the artists like. Would it be possible if I can I get studio with you in this bill from scratch? And he was like hell. Ya and so he. flew me out. On his tour, and in from that point on I never had to. Ask, again you know what I mean like. It was kind of like a thing or if I ask no one ever said no again to me. It was always just a matter of scheduling. From that point. There's a lot of impact that the first thing I want people to know is in two thousand twelve year, folding shirts, department store, and a year later on acid rap, which is amazing. Number two I mean that's. That's that's a big bowl of inspiration for anybody who's listening, but number two I want to talk about growth because I know you make beats for artists. Jay was an example. You just brought up and there's been instances where you've created beats, and he didn't WanNA use it now. You can harp about how much work went into a beat, or you can start asking yourself ten questions why he doesn't want it. You can take it personally. You can become bitter, or you can understand. You can move on, and you can figure something out and I think that's the human side of things that people don't really talk about. Absolutely absolutely because I went to all of that. I went through taking it personally. And went through being bitter. Do all those things you know human. Before I arrived on like you said like. It's not any of those things. All those things are just. Made Up. You know reasons in my head, but at the same time it's not to be judged, either you know people have the have the right to do what they WANNA do. And at the same time all of those. Experiences did give me something. You know I got something out of all of those experiences whether people use my music or not, and that's the beauty of art. Because just the act of creating the art is valuable in itself. You know because it's exploration if you're doing it right. Then, you're exploring and you're exploring. You're never gonNA come away from any creative session with the same way that you were when you entered it. You always going to have learned something from that. experience, and that's one thing I can say about whenever I get in the studio. Whenever I do something I'm always, art gets back to me. I love writing and I love crafting songs because. It'll always just make me. It will always give give back to me in very concrete way sometimes, because like for example. I'm right. Okay, if I write a song that that makes me think about a certain. The macy think about I. Don't know like cars, motorcycles or something and I wanNA. Make this song. I WANNA paint this picture of. The this this motorcycle race or whatever? I don't know anything about motorcycles, so I have to go and spend time researching and the different parts of the motorcycle, and I start to put together a Word Bank Mussa cycling related terminology. And so that I can pull from that my song, and then by the end of the song I know all these. I've learned all these things about motorcycles sometimes been researching. Why did school make you hate writing where you're not able to have that same process? You know I think it was because they made us. Just do busy work worth more than anything it wasn't about like. Using your your writing ability to create a world or or to? To to do something that was that I found interesting. It was always about you know how to do book reports you had to write. They know they give you minimum requirement. Minimum Word Count Requirements. You know imposing that I mean that's like A. Lot of times it was very long sometimes. You don't have that much to say about something. You just have to just, but if you don't make that as many whereas it is supposed to be, you're GONNA get a bad grade. That's going to hurt you in life. And so as this, this is pressure. Pressure sometimes can be good, but I think you just was. It was no aim to. There's no direction that they were trying to. Trying to do. Is Get us through so that they can get their test scores. So they can get their keep their funding. So they so that we can go in. Graduated in work at you. Know some star anything suspecting. At McDonald's or something, they didn't give a damn. I enjoy piano, but once my parents signed me up for lessons, and then it became a chore then I hated it and I have two kids that are in elementary school, and it's a very restrictive environment and I wonder because I have two small kids, five and eight sometimes when we get in the car, I play hip hop, but it would, if I played an audio book. Maybe if I played where the wild things are where the sidewalk ends will do more. More for their creativity and imagination than just music. Maybe I'm every time they get in the car. Think about maybe I'm wasting time that I could utilize you know like I think both good is good, too. Because you know. Their kids are GONNA be absorbing. Thing you you expose them to, and that's what makes me think as an artist about the music that create you know like it's GonNa. Be absorbed no matter what it is is going to be absorbed and You can put anything out there and so I feel like why not? Why not put something out that wants absorb is going to contribute something positive to the person who absorbed it, and this is my way of like my naive goal changing the world through music. Because if you do that I feel like you can. You can change the world for for person one person at a time. With music. If you so choose to do that, you can especially in this days climate of our music because. Music is only about being a product now. Art is like the art world you know in selling these baskets for hundred ten million dollars like ridiculous amounts of money 'cause the art is not even about art anymore as about it being a commodity now. and seeing how much we can make off of it, but anyway so in that climate, it's actually radical to create art that is not for consumption capitalistic. Is Radical to Kinda like go against that and make it different, but I do think you missing your your kids. makes me it reminds me of why I think it's important that that the music has some high is made unto some higher purpose than us. You know that's what's so cool about sacred religious music folk music. Gospel Music is that those songs that music is made? In service to something greater to an ideal. You know it's transcendent. You Know I. Don't know if you've been in church but me I up going to church Black Christian churches, and there would be these things praise breaks. Where people will just dance, you know like in people. Falling out crying speaking in tongues does lose in. Just, dislike I've witnessed that actually witness there, right? And I always thought there was something wrong with me because I'm not falling on the floor with my eyes rolling back of my head. I didn't understand that as a kid to be honest, but I got older and I realize I understood it I started to look at I. Got I got this obsession with just watching those? Those price breaks on Youtube like for hours due to be sitting there, watching it, and I will be feeling what they finish the I I'm fascinated that these people are just regular working class people in releasing all the hidden. In life and they're and they're celebrating. A lot of them broke. A lot of got problems working class. The proletarian would call it, but they're in there celebrating. Like state like nobody's been such like you've never seen anybody celebrate beforehand. All celebrating is life essentially. They're celebrating their thankfulness for. Everything that they've been through in life in that guy has got them through in their life, and like they're celebrating something more transcendent than themselves and I thought that that was so. Amazing in that realization hit me. I mean we're already made a music like that anyway. Not Necessarily Gospel. I think there's just I think beyond. The religious aspect of it is that it's made for something higher. I like that because I think if we're just talking hip hop, it's strictly generational, because a because of the social distancing a lot of people watching these Timberland versus Swiss beats instagram battles, and it was trending the other day that these these young audiences think that Kanye is better than Quincy Jones, not because they're comparing catalogs, but I really don't think people understand the extent of Quincy Jones's re they really. Define the whole role of producer as we know it today like he's one of the main cast that did that like he's an Impresario. He did so much more than just music even. He started. I mean he helped start the grandma's. But. He also started all these put music publications like Spin Vibe and I think the same for a lot of people with you. I love his Z. stuff, but you don't realize is. He produced on the backstreet boys album. You know what I'm sayin'. And then and then he produced for the clips and then Jay Z.. Back to Britney Spears Quincy could do Michael Jackson and then produce on the boys in the hood soundtrack. You know over the next ten years. We could see cam on Amelia Island Song. You know it doesn't need to be in a box, you know. I grew up. You mentioned where the sidewalk in another play that in on cassette in the car. You know that will probably blow your kid's mind if you did want to. So he said Oh. Gary, those I don't know if they can handle it, but we'll see. It is Gary Yo but I I got less savings, so we can do anyone can i. don't know if I wanNA. Teach my zero about death and loss yet, but we'll we'll. If there's any way to for for them to learn it. I think the way shows oversight, does it? And what else I walk INS, such amazing metaphor like to me. It's like it's so deep. You know talking about the. The certainty that is you know the to me decide. What's I walk ends represents like. That path! Into Hill that leads you. To Heaven I think that's something that everybody has to go through an lifetime to go through. The reached the point where the sidewalk ends where everything you know. Is No more. To go through this. This. Gary Place dark unknown, which is what the is going to do right now incidentally. To me but In it's so amazing. He put that in this in a children's book. That concept and I think the thing about those intentions in those messages and all that I think a lot of them are subliminal. 'cause I wasn't thinking about that as a kid, but it subliminal because the subconscious mind like you have to trust in the fact that this causes mine is always picking up on all the symbolism of all of the subliminal messages, an all of the stuff that you put in there even when the conscious mind is not aware and. A lot of people are like afraid to go over people's heads. You know people are like. When it with when it comes to art like they're like well, I don't want over their head. I WanNa just be understood. And the thing is like you always understood even when you're not understood. Even when people don't know that they still understand, they get it. Yeah I. Think you do psychedelics and read Shel Silverstein your minds. Iowa just opened up bigger than you ever thought it would. All my goodness. Yeah, like looks to shut. It was like. A. A big part of my life I mean I don't like I'm not like one of those psycho nuts out there to. Do that all the time, but something that. Delegates -periences something that. has influenced my life. Hasn't to the unconscious. Some people that are that kind of believe in the universe kind of pushing a narrative on you, and if you pay attention, it can kinda work in your favor. Absolutely, absolutely, that's what symbolism is all about every the? Of course I have absolute. That book I love is about. It's like the guy that goes through the. Following through the story pretty much gets to the story by interpreting the symbolism in his life, and just leaves them right back to where we started yet you which is was I. Love that it's like. You know I started to develop an interest in. Sacred! Art recently I'm really into art in general, but you know the I realize guiding in Pajot. Who A has his youtube channel all about symbolism me, but he talks about The symbolism. Of Death and birth at are like happening simultaneously and a lot of religious art works in particular, the native seen. the birth of Jesus how he's shown like as as a baby in a major 'cause you know born in a manger. The major is is the is this little? This thing that animals eat food out of. But he was on that, but like the the way that the manger in this particular painting was painted, it was painted with ornaments on the side, and which is not typical of a manger, but it is typical of the casket, because major is supposed to double as a as a resting place as a coffin. So, but so in the fact that the the baby was born in this major, that also looks like a coffin. It symbolizes the simultaneous nature of death and birth, and how they're both the same and that's like. The end is the beginning. and. You know that's represented on the NFL. Commissioner's represented on the acid. The end is the beginning. I think that's that's why resonates I think that's. Probably why resonates with people so much like why? It just blew the fuck up? It's congruent with this basic truth that we see all the way in the Nativity scene. In all this religious work, it's the same basic truth to end is the beginning my album in the same way as called with a song called. The Moon becomes the day, so there's there's album though it's it's been leaked. It's been talked about for years and finally. GonNa come to fruition. This is the type of. Symbolism in detail the you want people to pay attention to the album comes out. You don't want people to just listen to Lucy's navy. The vinyl works where you want people to listen to beginning an end because that's the way the story needs to be told. Absolutely, it's it's Nathan deep listening, which is something that we will stop doing? And not only that, but there's been a stigma about jazz, being old and uptight and how? Game Changers are breaking these perceptions and reigniting in interest in jazz among younger audiences, and you have people like Ben Shepard adding layers to your work as well. Either In black holes Egypt. Claims. Yes been! Then Ben's several man incredible. You're right, and you know my thing is what I'm trying to do. Is something. That's pretty radical and making. Making a hip hop album is. That is designed the same way like. Kill people tend to think. Party. They think that it's deep listening. Anything. Deeper in there, but at the same time. Even, the old, his even the Golden Age of hip hop as much as I. Am inspired by my thing is I'm always trying to listen to things and just pool. What I can from it 'cause. My logic is. I exist you know, I'm here I have this gift of music, so I need to do something I need to take it to a new place. Were hasn't been before. That's my responsibility and I think it's interesting. 'cause it, it can be controversial sometimes for me to express this to my peers over the years. 'cause a lot of them, they insist. that. There's a greatest producer that they will never be better than or they'll never be able to transcend, or there's a greatest artist you know there's they insist that in this idea of a perfect music. and. the golden age of hip hop kind of represents that for hip hop for some people and I think I. Don't look at it that way I look at I listen to it and I love it and I and I'm trying to find how it could be better, but with that said that the biggest compliment that I can afford you is you could've took the t pain approach like hey, look. I sang the hook for Y'all now I've got a song album and I'm calling in favors. And I'm sure anyone you've collaborated with. They'd work with you, but you want this to be more about you. Rather than all star cast is going to this kind of twist that narrative taking ownership of this project and I love the absolutely, it's it's. Like And it's not just about me. but it's more so about me having the. The creative control over it can be what it's supposed to be because I think that the record, the music makes itself, and it uses us as an instrument me. Personally I'm trying to make I'm trying to direct people to some higher than me. You know like that's why I chose. I decided a long time ago. Against doing you know photographs, myself portrait of myself as the album. Are you know I? I decided against that because I because I realized that like. Doing that points back to me. And I don't WanNA point to me. You know a lot of podcast, Kinda talk about hey, you know. What studio equipment did you craft this album? But I think learning about you and your philosophy. In your thought, process is going to get more people interested in an album than anything else. That's on I'm kind of hoping I. Did that and I? Do want to end this podcast by saying. It really was my dream to have you do the soundtrack pixar soul coming out because I think you paired up with a Pixar movie is definitely. It's going to happen and I'm going to put them to the. Thank you, thank you. That's crazy. What is this soul? It's the one where they're finally featuring black people. It's about a jazz musician and he dies, and he comes back to try to figure out the meaning I guess it's that whole deeper thing. Let the trailer Yeah Yeah, okay. I'm GonNA definitely take that. Crazy says that the music's done by res-. Ner Atticus Ross see that doesn't make sense, are you going to nine inch? Nails will do that doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. Why didn't you get terrace Martin or Robert Glass for been incredible? But you know that's what my album is. GROWN ASS. Kid To me is is an animated is the animated musical you're talking about is the animated musical that I always wanted to see as a kid in never saw. But it was an animated musical that is made. where the music is made. From my perspective. But not only that, but the story even is made from my perspective I. Think they wouldn't like pick even if they tried him they wanted to. They couldn't do this, they can't. They can't do this because they don't have the The perspective in a life experience necessary. To do. What I'm doing, we're GONNA. Ask You. To me is a musical is just the score to that musical as they don't have the resources to actually make it. At least not yet having music resources actually make the movie that goes with it, but it's literally animated musical. You can imagine Tamblyn and Randy Newman coming together and scoring a musical about a you know a kid. Who has to save music more mean. We've covered a lot of ground in our. Cam, you're a scholar and gentleman man. Thanks for being here. Thank you and same to you same to you. Man I love that that you created the space for us to have this conversation because I don't really get to talk about these things anyone and I'm in like you've you've doing something right because you created the space for it to happen? Yeah I love that and I would love to talk to US Mormon. Door's always open man always. Definitely come back in the fall and we can talk about the album. We will. We will. This is a guided meditation on parenting. 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William Goggin Stars as Barrie Craig confidential investigator. Buying yourself a murder and run into pretty big money, but after that you've got nothing to worry about. The only charge for the chair you're invited to sit in. Is Electrical. Broadcasting Presents William Goggin in another transcribed drama, mystery and adventure with America's number. One Detective Barrie Craig confidential investigator. Mattie Craig speaking. been a confidential investigative for long enough. You don't surprise easy anymore long. Man named Adolf that Hanjiang. Couple of hundred bucks to help his wife by a hat and you don't lift an eyebrow. You take the couple of hundred and you meet Mrs back the next morning at the Beck apartment. Eight gone to work, but you don't miss him. Very, great very great. You wait sure. I S I couldn't very well go shopping this could. Not, unless you wanted to hold up traffic. You wait where the lady changes into something that won't hold up traffic. He decide you're being overpaid. Given the chance you'd watch. Mrs Becky where there wasn't a Nicholas. On. Traffic will be safe now. Sure I don't know about myself though. I'll hold it. I'll take a look outside face. Alice. Street looks novel. Let's go. Right such a lovely day. But that's my car. Can't we walk the shots not very far. Well. All right, but striper this way. I. Don't know exactly what you think. You'll protecting me from I. don't either. Your husband wasn't very generous with his information. Well, then it was generous with his money though I'm trying to own it. Would you believe me if I told you I didn't need any protection? Joel, but I believe your husband harder though. He's my client. I always believe my clients hotting all right, you go ahead and protect me then. Where's the hat shop? Keep right on a weight slowdown for that shop window. Yes! She's always got wonderful things in it. Oh Mr Crane. Stopped the car at once, okay? At bathing suit. Red. Looks like a bathing suit. Can, you imagine it on me? Yeah! What do you think? It's going to be a hot summer. I've got to try it on. Come on. Whatever you saying. I love to go shopping with a man I. Don't get much of a chance. Let with your husband eight Oh. He hates shop. Money. But. Can I show you that bathing suit? You have in the window. Madame has magnificent `test. It is an important, too. I hope I. Have Your Mom says? Oh. Or to get bought only three such suits. GM's Yo. It satisfies the law. No, I wouldn't know. How important it satisfies the eye of the husband. If of course, the white he's so charming as Adam charm is exactly what a girl needs for sued like that Oh maybe not, but madame has it no. She has got to try this on when. These. But I will find. Comfortable I think. I must congratulate Monsieur. There are not many women who would even dare to think of wearing such a suit. He's of course ridiculously expensive. It is, but monsieur will not mind paying. At USC woke I guess the kind of deal he's got. He pays likes it already. Way Pretends to like it. Madame Flora wasn't quite sure how to take that. So she shrugged her shoulders Jami, lay the way the French do and shut up. Kaime went by and I got restless. Miss Your looks forward to seeing his wife in the SUTA. Sure has been looking forward to it for too long. She's been in their over fifteen minutes. Plenty women always keeps her husband waiting. No I wouldn't know about that. I still think she's been there a long time. Would you mind Harare each Messrs inflation is? Yeah, then I go to advise mme. What's the Meta. The door she looked. Let me. Locks automatically to magic. No, it is necessary that one moves the latch. has moved the latch. SPEC Mrs Back. Mandatory, we get back of it I'm going to break the door down. Explain later right now. I'm in a hurry. Back he's been sued. SCAT. Nobody home. Not even in the closet. But that I won't go. The back of the shop was stolen. Daro? Nobody. Home Area I do not understand me both. You always keep that window open. One cannot because of the deeds. That's open now. Yeah short dropped the alley outside. She could have managed. The Opinion Madam Fleas. That could be the opinion. I'm Oh. Come on. They bathing still yeah, shave left behind. Goes. Fixing that door up. It's going to cost you a few bucks here ten. What the bathing suit back in stock! I've got a feeling much as Beck isn't going to return for it. There was no occasion for yelling for the police. Suspect had a right to use the back exit. She wanted deal. And there's no law against making a confidential investigator. Look Foolish. I took my foolish look over the becks office and let 'em stare at it, but. You shouldn't have let her back. Yes, you had to be a couple of hundred bucks to go shopping with your wife or the next week or so. You told me you worried about of course and the first thing you do, slip out of your thing. I never had them on. You didn't bother telling me. My job was to act Jalen I. Assume do realize the only thing I could realize what the you figured. She was in some kind of danger. Well, maybe she is maybe someone knowing. It was no anyone could have known. She was going to stop it. Matt employees and use the dressing room now. Disappearance had to be our own idea. Rupture right. It's a little too early to call in the missing persons bureau. She's been gone only for an hour. But I know some of the boys downtown. They might stretch regulation for me. No. No I don't want. The police involved she. She may simply have returned home. She did it the hard way or if she didn't. Craig. I want you to find it. Meaning you don't really think she went home whatever she went, you find her. The police do that kind of thing a lot better than a one man out that like I don't care. Okay your money, but I'll need a few leads leads. Left Mr Back New York's allies place also it's finished with trains, planes and buses leaving it every few minutes. I've got to have some idea where she might be heading. And why are else? I'm like I understand, but we'll do it the highway. Who was your wife before you marry? Her name was Lila Lilo. Lilo lawn. It sounds phony. It was her professional name by profession. She Sang. She was a club singer. She last date before giving it all up for a home and kitties she. She was singing the Romani Rendezvous Romany rendezvous each party. Fine Before marriage, wife was a singer named Lana lawn singing at the Romney rendezvous. Now. You tell me the rest what rest? You know somebody listening in would think I was working against you instead of foil. I had to drag this information automobile why? There's nothing wrong with the girls singing in a nightclub. Nothing to explain it disappearing acted. You're Shrewd Creek. Isn't that why you hired me? I didn't think shrewdness would be necessary. Way You talk people might get the idea. You didn't want our file I do. Okay then, what's the rest of it? Before. Before Lila married me she. She was sort of engaged to Eddie myron. What does he do pitch for the dodgers? He owns the Romney. Keep going well. Myron was very angry with Lila. And myself I suppose. I've always afraid that he might. Do something. That's why you hired me. Yes. Myron didn't grab your wife nobody did. That flight out of the back window employers with both unscheduled, and strictly on this understand many. Maybe she decided money wasn't everything luckier, Craig. This is terribly difficult for me and I'm not helping. All right, I'll get started. Only one thing yes, suppose I find it and she likes it where she is. All Beck had that was stricken staff. Didn't look good on them, and I didn't waste time admiring I got out. To William Dargin starring Barry Craig in just a moment. 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Lila Whigham Lila. FRIEND OF YOURS MR, Craig right good. Forget I ask. Mr Martens offices down the Carta. You can see the door from here, thanks. Take the SAT I don't show. I'll take the set. Thanks! I get so tired of being hit on the head. Out Say it we'd both be shocked. You're a little obvious. Friend asked me to walk in front of you. Go back to the dirty Napkins I'm sure you'd up now. Okay. Craig's made another friend. What I forgot to knock I'm terribly sorry. The name's Craig. I also forgot to shut the door behind me. Excuse me Mr Myron. Wonder if there's a luck. Now I feel better. I'd hate to have anyone. Walk in of my back was turned to him. got a permit. That gun got any power to ask no. No that makes us even. Now puts me one ahead. I got the gun. Some days I can't keep score with a done this some fancy kind of hold them. You wouldn't keep your dough and here I wouldn't. But. You might know that very craig. Stand. Your remember I'm a confidential investigator, which makes it unlikely I'm after your Joe and maybe I haven't got as high in opinion of investigators. You had your misunderstanding me hurting my feelings. All I'm after as companionship Mine Lila. Lila You took too long on that one fella. Your Business has got something to do with Lila Lawn. The name's familiar so is the lady so what I'm looking for him. Know any better places? Try to beck residents I already have. Then we both don't know. I don't know a thing. You Do scintillating dialogue, but William Guardian made it work Berry Craig confidential investigator from sixty seven years ago. Today June fourteenth nineteen, fifty, three here on Classic Radio Theatre we'll have the news of that date sixty seven years ago, coming up next here on this Sunday edition of Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station. 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Thanks for tuning in on this Sunday edition of Plastic Radio Theater and episode the Berry Craig Confidential Investigator starring, William, Oregon has was originally broadcast. Sunday June fourteenth nineteen, fifty three in the newspapers of that Sunday. Sixty seven years ago. These were some of the headline. Republican. Senator tapped has thrown his weight behind the move within the Senate Appropriations Committee. Should slashes substantial amount perhaps more than a billion dollars off the Eisenhower Administration's five point four seven four billion dollar foreign aid request. This puts tapped at odds with the secretary of State John. Foster Dulles Mutual Security Director Harold, e, Stassen, and presumably with President Eisenhower himself. A showdown seemed imminent today between the UN Command and south. Korea's president. Syngman re in a race to end his opposition and get him in line ahead of the signing of a truce with the Communists at Panmunjom, but as developments pointed toward a quick armistice, the seventy eight year old South Korean leader, prior to new blast, eat announced the impending truce as a play, grit sellout and called for an immediate mutual security pact with the United States to placate his people. Meanwhile street demonstrations in career, raging through the fifth day in mounting opposition to a truce reached the point. Point yesterday where US soldiers fired carbines over the head of stone, throwing youths more than ten thousand demonstrated in Seoul, another ten thousand demonstrated in Poussin and from Bern Switzerland changed her mind yesterday, and decided to serve on the Korean armistice in prisoner of war commissions, regardless of whether South Korea accepts the terms hammered out by the communists and the United. Nations Command Divisional. Colonel Fritz Reiner retired sixty two appointed the leader, one hundred man military mission from this traditionally neutral country join missions from Sweden Poland and Czechoslovakia in supervising the armistice as soon as the armistice is signed. East Germans red boss Walter old brick. Faber and trusted agent in the stalin-era reportedly on the skids last night for opposing new soviet-backed efforts for unity of Germany, such action runs contrary current dv Soviet. Policy undertaken in east, Germany in the maneuverings of the post-stalin regime of Premier Georgy Malikov in Moscow. Leading West Berlin Socialist newspaper said Albright was denounced by his own, so we zone polit. Bureau. Is Now we're appeared yesterday to have won enough key votes to extend the excess profits tax, but it was uncertain whether the votes could ever be cast congressman. Read of New York Republican chairman, the House Ways and Means Committee assailed the Levian new, and gave no sign of calling the committee together for a showdown vote winding up two weeks, appearings read declared the administration failed to make a case for the vicious excess profits tax. He renewed his campaign and let the let me die as scheduled on June thirtieth and to reduce individual income taxes by ten percent at the same time. A Negro physician who was accepted for seven years as a white man and experience at four on the basis of the motion picture lost boundaries has been dropped effective July fifth as radiologist at Elliot Community, hospital in Keene, new, Hampshire Chester Kingsbury President of the hospital board of Trustees said the hospital was let go for neglect of duties and said was race did not enter into it. Kingsbury saying the only bone of contention was the amount of time Dr Albert, C Johnson devoted to hospital procedures, the doctor who came to the hospital in one, thousand, nine forty, said the board objected the amount of time he was devoting to private practice. He said he would not thank request for his resignation. While the Navy Postmaster General, Summer Field said yesterday, the post offices powerless to four Senator Joseph McCarthy, the Republican. Wisconsin to pay for mail. It said he sent free and should have paid for. Our Walter, the assistances summerfield in charge of public relations, said former Postmaster General Jesse M. Donaldson notified McCarthy last October. He should pay for male. He had set out under his congressional franking privileges. Speaking of Senator McCarthy the Republican Wisconsin said yesterday. The Justice Department should go all out to investigate those individuals guilty of treason or of sleeping at their posts of duty during the Korean War in a speech delivered for a prepared for delivery before the Wisconsin Republican convention Senator McCarthy said these individuals whom he did not name must be guilty of one or the other. In those some of the day's top new stories is reported in the newspapers Sunday June fourteenth nineteen fifty-three on your radio, Barrie Craig confidential investigator, which continues now on Classic Radio Theater. Thing you do. What makes you think that I tossed line along the name and your head way is? Try to toss this blackjack at. That wasn't very nice. Have he missed? How does he feel about it painful? I hope it doesn't show too badly. I wouldn't want the place to get a bad name. We're getting away from Lila, lawn. I haven't been near and months. That's why you're headway was so sensitive. I could pry loose from him. Okay. Maybe, I could use you on my side. Maybe even I might need you. Yeah I got a call from Lila early this morning. First Time, I'd heard from us and she got married must've been a surprise. A pleasant surprise, she wanted me to meet A. She was upset. Beck was running short of money. Well Beckett seems was running after another blood. That's what Lila said. Ask what she said. She wanted me to meet a rapid creek dam what's creek. I got a kind of Cunty jet there maybe an hour out of the city. She wanted you to meet her up there this morning. You agreed agreed. I drove up there. The carnage was van and Lila. No Hung around for maybe a couple of hours then I started thinking. Somebody was playing something. I made fast time back to time I worried. Boy Let's ahead with you. Tank with guys instructions. He'd been with me all day in the apartment. While you're breaking down and telling me all will partially, because boy lost his head when you mentioned lawn, that would make him a good witness and partially. Because I don't even know what I was being set up for. I'd like you to find out. I've already got a client. Bank yeah. What's your job for him finding his wife? That won't have to conflict with anything. I want you to do one client at the time. All I can handle, but if I find anything that might interest you. You'll hear from me. Or maybe from the police That was thrown into. Worry him. He was already worried, but maybe not about the right thing. Even at that he was ahead of. I didn't even know what the right things were. were. I checked with back. His wife was still out. That left me a choice I could do nothing. You could try the Creek Dale and According to Myron, that was a dead end, but he could be alive. Even the naming you're the sheriff me. I guess they tell you right. I'm very Craig Potential Investigative. New York. I saw that so I am figuring on setting up business and Greek Dan not exactly something else. I came up here to look through Eddie Myron cottage. Yeah! I thought I might find something there. I drove to the cottage before stopping here at up. The college wasn't very good shape. Somebody was careless with matches. Look at I, don't. Place was burned to the ground. When did it happens? Sheriff is half known I don't know the exact time started couldn't have been later than twelve or all any ideas about why it started, or who started it Figuring on maybe fine and in the cottage Michigan. Something, that might lead me to a lost lady. I saw. What my! For, namely, Lila Lawn perhaps recently Mrs. Adolf Beck. amp. Okay. have. You found it. In the cottage. Like I. Couldn't have identified. All you can tell us that she was blonde. Enough of the skin on her fingers left to get half dozen prints. No doubt about her dentist. She's Lila Lawn. Michigan's back. He was pretty watch yeah. Sure could fire, but said earlier the noon say. Thank. Dr Peabody. He's got no idea she was dead or not. GonNa find out. Over. You got ideas. I got I did. Names attached to them not yet. Wow. You'll get in touch with me if you get around to Tachin names. I'll get in touch with in goodbye, sheriff. Just minutes? Yeah? DACA peabody couldn't swear whether she was alive or not when the fire got to. Swear something. What's that? You had a couple of bullets in our law. Sheriff didn't have any expression on. His face could read when he let me have it. I held the post from. It couldn't think of anything else got out. I didn't mind a long drive back to the city. I needed it. Stayed Off Beck hadn't been lovely to look at. Shopping. Boil it's not boiled. We were finished for the night, not exactly. What do you want now? I've been up to Creek Dale. And I hope you got more out of the trip than I. Did this morning I got more. Tell me about. Your cottage is never going to be the same again termites. What time did you leave that this morning around twelve? Wait a minute. At sounds like somebody's checking alibis. Maybe somebody is. Alibis for what are some for one thing. I send. Your cottage was burned to the ground sometime today. Maybe you're Kelly with cigarettes I don't. Think you get Outta here? Okay, but nobody really worries about Austin in connection with a cheap summer cottage. What do they worry about? Lila lawn is never gonna be the same again either. The Conclusion Berry Craig confidential investigative from sixty seven years ago, June fourteenth nineteen fifty-three comes up in just three minutes on this Sunday edition of Classic Radio Theater. This weight L. Root for the Megamall magazine Goal Dot Com the megamall. Is Your one stop online shopping mall for great MAC and trump caps. Flags facemask coins, jewellery, and other products. They even have magic cowboy hats. 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Stream. If you miss a day, you don't have to Mrs Show now. The conclusion of Barrie Craig confidential investigators starring William Argon from sixty seven years ago. June fourteenth, Nineteen fifty-three. Them I didn't give him much of a chance to respond to that. I walked out. Ever give him an opportunity to figure out what his response would be. I had another job. I. Coming thanks! Well. It's very late. I hadn't noticed. I hope you've got something to report I. Have you found? Yeah, splendid word is Coming back to me. I don't think she's got any choice in the matter. I hope you didn't fully reason. She's got no choices because she's dead. Yeah. Shortest way sometimes the kind of She was shot, and then burned to death in the summer. Cottage belongs to Eddie Myron. She got back to him for awhile. It seems like. Maybe a shorter while she figured on how they arrested him not yet. They'll get around with once. They tighten up a few things. The way it goes? Your Wife Duck made this morning phone Myron and met him at cottage shortly before twelve. What happened and why right after that? We don't know for sure. We do know is that Myron headed back for the city sometime after twelve. And sometime after twelve is also when the cottage started burning. Then it's it's not really proof though no. That's why Myron not under arrest. He's a suspect. You could be one to me. You're joking. You've got a funny sense of. Motive. Another woman! According to myron anyway. But that doesn't matter. Because I saw you ten minutes after your white ducked out. I spent time with you. You couldn't have made it up to the cottage and time for the shooting in the burning. Not, after I left you, Oh, then you were joking. Just showing you how tricky these things can be. Anyway the main reason I came to tell you my jobs over. Wife's and. I walked out. He didn't see me to the dog. Loved to aided. The fact that she was dead, meant something. I got out into the street and started walking. Not Far. Somebody else's walking behind me. I stop. He stopped. This wasn't my idea of fun. But it didn't matter because still another guy showed up. He didn't notice either of it, but we noticed him I would after him. They hired man when after me? Must have made quite a procession. He turned off the pavement and walked into one of the small houses. They still keep in new. York City to prove at once upon a time. It was a nice place to live in I, gave them a few minutes and then. I waited for the doorbell to be answered. I scribbled a note on my card and dropping. Give the man following something come on. These. Police. Let's shut the door. I don't want. To, know impersonated the COP this. Mrs! Beck, who sounds? Like. Maybe you're embarrassed. By the way you duck me and Madame flurries this morning. I never did get to see how you looked in that red bathing suit. Terribly, late, it hasn't even begun to be laid Mrs Beck. I've got a problem bothering. According to the police in two fingerprints which never lie. This beck is dead I. You're not dead, are you? Know, which leads me to a very funny conclusion. You're not. Mrs Back. You don't think that conclusion is very funny I. Don't know what you want. What's your thing Ontario? Eddie Myron, said backwards, running after another blind. Your Blonde. So as Mrs back I figured he's still haven't. Maybe you were holding out for marriage. I would no I'm not asking. But back decided he'd have to get rid of his wife. Yoga or make a date with Eddie Marlin. She was scared I. Guess. So, we went to work. got. Hold of me hired me to go shopping with his wife. Got Hold of you got to pretend you worries wife until he could Duck Creek Deo kill his actual wife. Wait Myron left the cottage and discussed then set fire. Silly got back to the city by twelve. You were still alive according to what my testimony would have to be. Then you disappear. So I think becky couldn't have killed his wife. But he did. You prove it I'm not doing anything myron. Put himself at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder one. If. He'd killed the girl. He wouldn't have done that. Therefore the rest of his story has got to be believed. That leaves you. I followed back here. If you turned out to be someone I'd never met before fine. becks and the clear, but you're not. saw what else do I need killing Craig. They came out of the woodwork back. Why don't you introduce me to the lady who's going to hang with you? Excuse me they go hanging when. Stop It. I didn't know about his plans to kill Lila. He just told me it was a gag for a divorce a that's not bad any jury with men. This side of the on it go for that. Back it looks like you take it along, I don't take anything. I can take care of her. Only trouble is back. Getty Myron was worried about me. He trail meteoric place the trail both of us here. I dropped a note to him when I came in advised him to pick a good seat. He's outside that window. I'll take care of you. You. I wasn't lying. myron winged boy put. Police, thanked him. They tossed me a polite nod to. They didn't seem to mind finding the lost lady either. Headquarters would be a brighter place for a little while. I wouldn't be hanging around waiting for her to come out though. I don't like bathing suits. You're listening to William Goggin in another exciting transcribed mystery drama from the adventures of Barrie Craig confidential investigator. Story the Lost Lady was written by Liu Bits and there you have the announcer. Of course. Yes, that is Don Pardo June fourteenth, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, three Berry Craig, confidential investigator. Right around classic radio. Theater, would you do me a favor? 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This is classic radio, theater, the Great Gildersleeve. Bob Hope Show. transcribe direct from Hollywood. From Hollywood George Burns and Gracie Allen. Show now, here's your host Wyatt Cox. Marie Wilson became the prototypical dumb blonde, even though she wasn't very dominant. In Program, my friend Irma. We're going to go back to June fourteenth. Nineteen, Forty, eight for episode of that program as Al Takes Irma to see Harvey Erma Erma. Yes, Jane This is interesting. It says here that the desert and Death Valley is two hundred and seventy feet below sea level well, it can't be much of a desert with all atwater on top of. Well. That's what you can expect when you listen to my friend Irma. Ryan. have. Was! and. Run, this company Makers Swan soap the exclusive super. Green. Blend presents. Been Swan with my friend Irma starring Mary Wilson, his era and Kathy Lewis is Jane. A. Zodiac and find out what sign I was born under. Whether it was aries the Ram Capricorn the Golden Leo the. Lion Lo and behold I find out. I'm forrest. Says the footnote the Taurus. Girls get married very young. Far as I'm concerned now. I know why the sign is referred to as Taurus the bull. Believe me, I'm not getting any younger and every June. I look at the wedding announcements in the newspapers and you know something. My name is fair. And as far as Richard Rhinelanders concerned I've tried everything from pulling pedals off the days sleeping on a piece of wedding cake, all I ever got out of. It was a house full of ants. Not The only one who does a bit of moaning. Of June, even Irma's affected right now. She's looking at a picture of a June bride and the newspaper. The look on her face is a complete blank. Irma, yes, Jane! What's fascinating? Look what it says about this bride in the paper. When Miss Doors Alber walks down the aisle, she'll be wearing her great grandmothers lover around her neck. Let me, see this. Permit that's livelier. Got The other words right. Aren't. Just. Yeah lovely and lucky especially this one. Isn't she adorable? Yes, and our babies are cute to. Babies yes, an artist is drawn their pictures all around the bride's photograph. Those cupid's. If Richard, ask you marry him. Where would you go for the honeymoon? The nearest sanitarium for shock treatment. Albany, where would you like to spend your? Oh Allah has already made reservations. We're going to stay at eight to to wall. Street eight to to Wall Street or maize Mr. Clydes Office at eight to four. Yes, when we're on a honeymoon AL doesn't want me to be late for work. That's surprised me. Your wedding ring will probably have a built in alarm clock. Jane this is out. He's Irma just. Permits for you. Give a hint. It's the one person in the country who celebrates three hundred and sixty five holidays a year. Wow honey. And got a couple of free tickets to a show. How would you like to take Hark? I take anybody it will be you. Know Chicken. Hobby is a Broadway show. Would you go to the matinee this afternoon? Well chicken pick you up late and look chicken since we're going to the theater mingling with that classic crowd. That's going to stop. Sandwiches. By? O. Janice wonderful else. He need to see Harvey. We show is well. It's a comedy I haven't seen it yet. They say it's very good. It's about a rabbit called Harvey on. You can't see them no wonder else getting the tickets for nothing. Well, as long as I'm with Al, I don't care what I don't see. A wonderful. In June off Fellas seem wonderful includes my. Richie Practice saying I do, but so long that when I walked down the street, mumbling to myself, people say. Do you realize you're out of your mind and I say I do? Jane wouldn't be wonderful if the floor of us were married, live right next door to each other. Richard Coming home from. The office AL coming home from a hard bench in the park. But. It would be so nice for our children. The children thought of that I guess there would be. A Little Jane Little Irma would be asking little Jane. Questions all day. I won't have it. Jay Because I would want my daughter to be prematurely grey the age of four. You're just kidding Jane. Isn't that wonderful daydream like this? He have our judge. Propose by the wedding. Ring myself by your own wedding away all. No, you wouldn't. That's one thing I. Will you do so now? You may have to work after you're married, but you'RE GONNA start out like lady. G You know I can't wait to go to the theater. What did you say Harvey was about about a man with drink and imagine he sees rabbits. Me Professionally. My little dishes, one food for thought the other food for squirrels. Little. Joke I picked up in the. Morning. I! Came down here to get too little information is the word witch an adverb preposition well the word, which is a Pronoun Tori, maybe you. How do you WANNA use it. The Mrs O'reilly? You out an old rich. Besser. Why don't you stop teasing for Mrs Riley after all? She's the kind of person who likes to live and left. The things she lets live in my room. Why why don't you forget? Mrs? O'Reilly as landlady just think of her as a woman. But they had to stop it either way I. Find Myself Hating my own mother. What the older stuff for! Your Matt. Harvey. Yes Grigson imagine he sees man. Yes and pink psychiatrists. Come in. I love girls. They, professor. Mrs Iraq. No, please don't get excited Mrs. Set you girls. Look at you, think of a man who takes to the playground in the at night. Let's go up and down on a seesaw for two hours. I think that's very romantic. Well, that's what I thought. I got off and found a tighted the other end the board. I'm sorry Mrs Alley. Wasted by use of the. Do you think after how nice to me I could play a dirty trick like that done. Mr Riley. What did you do for? Just a few little intimate touches for his room. You know the leak in my bathroom pipe extent. Around And you know that old fashioned gas though I got the one the gas escaping from or she gain you a new stove. She gave me a gas mask. Well. This is all very touching. Will be here any minute. You better be ready to go all right Jane? Who Do you? Ask taking me to the theater to see. Oh. It's been such a long time since I've been to see A. Little Hot. To forget all that excitement and shooting you see. She was sitting right next to Mr, Lincoln. Ship. Owner I almost got came here for. Lips got called. The office and she wanted me to tell you the. Back again at one, o'clock Komo, Mrs, O'Reilly I'll take you to the movie around the corner. The showing do pictures today, the emperor volts, and the story of Your Life So, evil my love. Girls. Go to Lima Pakistan it'd be around that obnoxious girlfriend of yours calls. O. J. Why can't you get along with Amber Irma honey I I know she's one of your best friends, but tell me. Why is it the minute she gets here? She has to take off her shoes strut around barefooted. I would mind if for feet were shapely. The believe me if they had is each one of them could pass bearskin rug. That's not ambitious. Fault for her feet hurt her. You see she's employed in a brewery. She's a barrel kicker. Kicker yeah, she walks around the brewery barrels, seeing which ones are empty. Listen to those stories. She makes your friend, amber lip Scottish, just a clumsy lazy with a temper and I. Don't want anything to do this. Yes amber this is Jane. He WanNa talk to. What Why do I have to answer the phone? I happened to live here. Why do I have to live why? Give it to me Jane Hello. Amber, this is. How am I going to keep our living with someone beneath Me James Love Beneath Mitch lead right here in the same room. Thanks wrong. What is it amber? You sound excited. You can't tell me that you'll be right over. All right. I will leave goodbye. I wonder what she's so excited about. I don't know honey personally I. don't want to have anything to do with far as I've been searched. He's the car. Sis. Vocal person in the world. Never heard sounds so thrilled I. wonder what it can be probably wrestling gorgeous George next week. COMMU NOW Jane Hi Chicken. Hello L. Honey. Sorry, I'm late. Chicken was trying to interest a banker in my latest deal. Another one of your deals. When is it this time putting windows and cigar boxes selling for television sets. Nothing so. This is a special device to eliminate backseat driver. How do you do that ASS imple-? The car has to exhaust pipes. One of them goes into the back seat. Chicken, take my own off to the matinee. Can't go go. Why not well Ambra live Scottish coming over to discuss something important and and I promised I. be here chicken. After all the trouble I went to to get these tickets I'm sorry how such a shame to waste could see. Cain yes Jane in the past. You and I and had many differences, but this could cost based on heredity. Well in your family to be ambitious is considered the virtue. Family, it has come to be looked upon as Z. Outside of this slight difference Jane. Had And I've always hoped. It was sort of Youtube. Why are you driving at out? Well? I was wondering if you'd like to go. Outside of chicken, there is no one I would rather take. Ally? I never had anything personal against you and send you. Put it this way and it Burma WanNa Jack. Why won't you know what they say? Share the well. Well, what do you say Jane? Be Delighted. Let. Let me tell you I may not be able to take your long pocket. You like your boyfriend Richard Does, but believe me on our way to get a hot dog at the waterfront. We will cross pocket. This is the living history the by any. Yes, along chicken. When we get back, we'll tell you the whole plot. You don't have to have I trust you. 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Go to our American rights dot com brought to you by the American Media Council. An outstanding cast on my friend, Irma, not only Marie Wilson, but Kathy Lewis's Jane John Brown as Al Marie Wilson Boyfriend and you know John Brown who also played Digby Odell? Vo Friendly Undertaker also Hans. Conrad is Professor Pumpkin and Glory Gordon Portraying. The landlady a fun show more of my friend. Irma from June fourteenth, nineteen, Forty, eight here on Classic Radio, theatre. Here that Lady's The music for the stance of a lovely. And the violins whispering a beauty. Swan has that. That's important Swan Hill does give you something. No other so can offer. Swan differs from other sources. You know it does because you can feel the difference just by running your fingers over a cake and Swan. You can feel that extra smoothness. The direct result of Swan Super Dream Land and One term super clean. Feel that Rich Bill Away Swan. Lather a special that no other soap can give you because no other soap has gone super dreams bland. This one leather cleanses so gently stole thoroughly and then rinse away so completely that it leaves your skin looking softer. Smoother. Younger. Has you'll find out that the swan looked is a young. You'll teen beauty in your skin, so please don't forget. Ron Has Bats Super Green. You would Richard takes me to the matinee. He hails a cab picks up a box of candy hands me corsage. Watching the show from in the third row, but this is. So. He hailed a cab driver what time it was! Found out, we had time to walk. He picked tootsie. Roll handed me the rap earn. We ended up watching the show from the third balcony. Where we are sitting, not only harvey. The rabbit is invisible, but so is the cast. I must say allies enjoying himself immensely though he hasn't stopped smiling since he went to sleep. This whole thing is a mistake. I was FRY oh. Hugh Jackson. I don't like to interrupt your dreams, but I paid a dollar twenty tax on those free tickets of yours. I like to have you seen the show Sarah. Jane just can't keep away. Don't Dame's on the show. Last. You have chorus girls look Jane as much as I love chicken, I am still normal man. I'm prefer watching course an animal. I got the feeling that once. You've seen one rabid. You've seen him all. Talk No do by all means. Allows here to your roommate out, yeah! That's good I can't stand that snooty girl. You mind if I take my shoes off, it helps me to speak freely. Amber hope you have something important county because I passed up going to the theater with how have I got something important? You know my boyfriend Gerald the Jackie O amber. Don't tell you finally hooked him hype. Wound is the word. I got him clean, dressed and on ice or get married this afternoon. After the seventh race. Amber! I didn't know what to say out. To happy all thanks. Everyone's been surprised at the track. They gave a party for Gerald and me. They put us in the winner's circle draft horse horseshoe flowers around my neck and weighed me in. Sentimental. Tell me how you come along with al every time I I ask what's holding up our wedding? He says Magnon Ah. That Spanish for money. To tell me I went to school. On. Honey. Oh Hi Hello Hey. You Austin await, didn't you? Drive. To isn't easy were. Wait until you hear the wonderful news ambush getting married this afternoon world congratulations. was nothing he knew he'd have to do it sooner or later. Right crippling. What time does a wedding cake place at five o'clock at my apartment, and that's why I dropped by. You GotTa, do me a favor. Certainly ever. What is it well? I'm going to be tied up with the makers until four thirty so I wondered. If you take this fifty dollars with this slip to case, jewelry store and pick up my wedding ring. Glad to do you want us to come to the wedding? We'll of course I do honey. You're my friend and I don't care what kind of a wedding present to bring me just so long as united of it. We'll get the ring for you. Shall I bring Jane along to know thanks? They'll be enough crumbs around after we cut the wedding cake. Thought, we should try to understand jayme underneath it all. She's a wonderful person. That's where I'd like to see your underneath it all. Not Getting my way too long honey. Let's see what happens here. This is getting interesting June. Fourteenth thousand, nine, hundred, forty, eight, my friend Irma here on Classic Radio Theater. Don't forget if you miss a day. You don't have to miss a show. Just go to my web page over it. Classic Radio Dot Stream back in a moment. SEATTLE! Introducing the her journey around, the world started in are overflowing bathroom sink policy from American family insurance insure carefully dream fearlessly. Get a quote, find an. Visit AMFAM DOT COM for homeowners policy information. 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Start Your journey to better health today by calling one, eight, hundred, two, four, six, eight, seven, fifty, one, or by going to balance of nature dot com again that's balanceofnature dot com, and make sure to receive this special radio offer by using Discount Code USA. Thanks for joining us here on Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station. Now the conclusion of my friend Irma came fourteenth, nineteen, forty, eight fifty back. Amber gave that honey for the ring? I'll put it back on the table. You misunderstand. Chicken was merely thinking of getting the most out of this money rambler. Maybe I can get a better ring for less money and with a Dole I save we her wedding. And there's only one man who can help them. Who Else but hello? Got A problem want to pick up a wedding ring cheap. What shall I do? Shake hands listened McHugh. She's been on a diet. The ring is loose. At no no joe must be like. Stop calling you about things that legitimate is giving you a bad name voice. Understand your position goodbye noble. I look out. Forget about getting bargains. Let's just go out and get a wedding present fram version. Take Long Slip Grandma's ring. No, we might lose it. Leave it on the table until we come back. Chicken ti which we were getting married like Amber Gerald. Chicken oh Allah, if you if you knew how dream the day went, I'll hold our Senate my arms. Chicken. How do you know it'll be a boy? Oh. You don't know about those things you're so naive. I wrote to the stark. Fast. Food that's too bad I. wanted to tell him that I like the way she so the button on my shirt, but that I can't get the shirt off the table because you're so shirt, the. Well! You know this is Joan and Irma is very much. Love struck that before I left for the theater Emma was in such a romantic mood that she said how would marry her. She'd by the ring herself well, lots of people are desperate to get marriage. Amy Take Mrs O'Reilly she says I will marry her. She will have her face lifting. But I'm terrified that the thought of what they might find underneath. I know that are just exaggerating and she wouldn't. Oh my goodness. What's on the table? There? Kay Jewelers one wedding ring balanced fifty dollars. No, she said she would, and now she's done it. She's buying her own wedding ring. Show album area. Nature was very cruel to her gave us such a big heart. There was nothing left to put in her head. Well not going to get away with. This works too hard for her money to go spending it on a wedding. Heavens without wants to marry. Let him by the raid. Bank deposit this money right back in her account, but the bank calls no well I'll put it in the night depository professor. I'll see you later. This'll teach your lesson. Nobody here. How can you better get dressed? If you WANNA get in time, don't forget. We gotta pick up Amas ring all right now. For the ring is gone can meet. You. Can I come in with you. Gene, guess what happened I know what happened that money? You're going to spend on a wedding ring for yourself so this low ver could marry. You is back in the bank where it belongs. In the bank. And the bank is closed close. Why are you to acting as though someone had just gotten killed? We said that Jane. Sounds like a pretty good ringside. Description of what's GonNa. Happen to you. To me. What are you talking about Jane? That fifty bucks belongs to amp ellipse cut. It was for her weaponry. If her wedding is called off on account of your meddling, she may hit the ceiling. It'll be, would you? Know what am I GONNA do? I don't WanNa get involved terrible monster. Owe! If I can only get fifty dollars, you could get the ring. Let me see I, think I've got four dollars you're. How much have you got? What he twenty eight thirty to forty one dollar. mind. What have you got? going. Know Mrs Riley? Your Voice. She misses a rally. Have you got fifty dollars? You should have asked me this morning before I went to the beauty parlor. Spent all that money and the beauty parlor. It big I have to is I don't. Won't work. Come me. Well. I guess this is. Kids might as well get ready to face. Now it's a matter of time nothing more. On and I'm just sitting here. Waiting for the inevitable. Alanon has been very solicitous keeps humming and singing Jeremy. The. Thinking is a little worse than anything. Amber could do me. Ask for Allah's really concerned. He keeps glancing through my papers to make sure all my insurance policies are paid up. After five o'clock, and by now ambers either married without a ring on our way over here with murder in her heart. Oh. If only I hadn't put the money in the bank. By Jane Coming. Now look for. Let me you don't have explain, but that's the kind of person you are. What you don't have to talk, you just see those same thing. Dot Nacho enough with the ring. You didn't want me to be married. Now. Hold it amber. You stay out of this nosy. I'm saying is what makes you still clever psyche psyche? How did you know Gerald was already married to somebody else? I mean. You stay out of this. I'm so glad you didn't show up. An embarrassment and I'm so glad you didn't buy the ring if I told you about the money Jerrell gives me What what about the money? You? My worst enemy should try to pass that money it's of. Say That what you girlfriend in Lyon on the floor. I don't know. Jane I wish you would go to sleep when we have company. This is one time when I know how Irma Spiel all the time. Why because I have pulled the Boehner of Boehner's. Fortunately I got to the bank in the morning early to stop the counterfeit deposit and everything's taken care of, but it just can't stand being a position where Irma feels. She sympathized with me back I just go crazy. When says Oh Jane? Don't feel so badly about making a mistake. Sometimes I even say some things that aren't exactly brilliant. Not Really, oh, sure, but who cares six? Or Ten of another. All adds up to twelve. Twelve is just a little higher than the I. Q. of my friend Irma. My friend Irma presented by Swan another product of lever brothers. Company was produced and directed by CY. Howard tonight script was written by Howard. Park, Levy, folks next Monday evening, listen again to. Swan with my friend Irma. Starring Carey Wilson. Candy Lewis's Jane the part of Professor Kropotkin was played by Hans Conrad. Ladies Listen. The shortage of fats and oils is still very serious, and it's worldwide, so please keep on saving. Every drop abused kitchen fat. Your budget will pay you for every pound. Frank Beckmann speaking. Of Counterfeit, June fourteenth, nineteen, Forty, eight. My friend Irma here on. Classic Radio Theatre Balance of nature, changing the world one life out of time. The opthamologist for my eye exam I, usually go yearly is this. What are you doing and I told them about the nature. 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I'll Friday lomb discovered that the seat had been robbed, and as we look in on the old fellows today we find Squire skimp on the circus lag serves as their office and headquarters, talking to Lome from narrow conversation. The disappearance of the money is still a mystery. Listen. Or Rome dishes anxious to find stolen money as you are I. Don't want you thinkin entre. And nobody all I know is i. put the money in the Thursday night and you're standing right here. Friday. When I went to get it out and it was gone where yes, that's right with. That is no sign. That I took Heinsohn you did I'm just saying that me and you and atvs, the only ones that knows combination of that save and you know me and avenue ain't GonNa steal nothing from ourselves that. Area just the reason I'm anxious to get. This thing cleared up. Yeah me, too. You Abner Been Asleep and right here in a wagon wagonload. If I had to call in air, you surely would have known. Yeah. That's right and I don't know the lock on nine save ain't been tampered with tall, so whoever got the money bound to note the combination? Is it sure looks like it? Where did you get that faith on? He'd come with the circus when we taken it over. You ever seen a species character hanging around the wagon here in the last few days. I've known just us is all I. Mean not no strangers who don't know where what about federick. What about him where he hangs out around the wagon here more. Oh, it, amy. Cedric I know square he's is honest, as is on. What young away! heasley influence on somebody else Mayer to put him up to it, you know. I please centric don't even know the combination save. He couldn't open it if he wanted to. Well, he's been hanging around here quite a lot long and seeing you open it. He might a memorize that combination. Cedric memorize a combination. He Ain't through working on the twinkle twinkle little star yet. Oh Long East where I just assumed Taylor Hendrick quite the combination news. He couldn't recollect it long enough to get back here and things. No ways I'm trying to think of all the possibilities you WANNA. Talk to him. Ask him about it, but I know it ain't him. He has a hard enough time recollecting what day the entities we're on a case like this. Just about half to consider everybody guilty. You Reagan so I. Know About it never took it away. Didn't leave that what? I can't understand how anybody could have come in here and broke in this wagon an open to say even. Without Waking in one or the other of us up well, of course it might have been during the daytime Rahm. There is that possibility you know we always keep the wagon locked up less than mere abner ones right here with it or you sure about you either that or I leave somebody here with into watching firming. I know Friday morning. I was gone for a few minutes, left the north brother here to keep an eye on save. Laura's brother. Also careful about it. Here, on over here that mourns. They wanted to see me round back the big top right quick, so I got him to stay here away from. Our and gone more than minutes. No way where now. We're getting somewhere. What do you mean, square? At Villa ahead of pretty shifty I owning snow late I manage your fixing accused him. You're getting off on the wrong track. Here's what makes you thankful goals. In the first place, the north brother wouldn't know more think a stealing in would've fly and second and third blazey. Don't even know the combination to the safe, and we know that whoever took the money didn't know it. Folks like it let out all right. Of course it does flom. Are you sure you put the money into faith third tonight I? Sure I put it in. Wait a minute. You Ain't. No, why I thought to motto hit the money. Don't place also forgot about it? I've got proof that I put the money in the safe right after the show closed Thursday night. Got Proved right after the show is over the, nor was complaining about being hungry and I told her I'd take her over the town there Envir- somebody, but we come by the wagon here for me to put the money up I on account of didn't WanNa. Be Packing that much cash on me. And Did she wait out? Tried voyage. No, sir, she said right down that Sharon, seeing the open the safe and put the money in that shoebox, nine groove at her sold, or in here when you put them on up yes, or not improved by where loam wouldn't. It have been mighty easy for her to watch you work? The combination and income come back here now. Wait just a minute score. Discover rod where you're at. Don't you? Start using that little woman I haven't anything to do with it. Areas is fine, a little woman who's ever growed breath where I'm not saying that she did, it may just seems to me. Her name out of this I can tell you right now. She never had a thing to do with it. All right. Loma Germany, but we feel about it Dole. Right would leave directly the way I feel about it every time. Anybody's name has been brought up. You've tried to pint species Adam. I'm getting good entire. What's going on in here? Come on in abner about time to open up and take it off as long as a big crowd gather around the front of the tent there. Expect I better? Get out there and make my field on June. I'll be around their quickest. I get the money out of the safe for chain. Overhead and get the crowd gathered all all right. Hey, what's the matter? are down like he's arguing about something else now. He's trying to today's neuro was in one to taking that money out of the save well. What's as reason for saying? She done it who he's the only one that knows the combination outside I mean you and he's got a key to the wagon and more likely. He's reason. Maybe it's old, but I still don't think it was Hamlin. What got me more vicious than ever I've been cross-examining here SORTA and everybody's name that was rung up. He tried to make me think they was the ones that done it well. Maybe he would get interested in trying to help. But I've been trying cases in my gestures as a Peace Corps for failure years now they won't mind oceans on it when you see a better fighting these fingered everybody else using them. You Better Watch out for him. All. squires drawn lay. There's on everybody else's doorstep set and he's on. Cues nor very addy's. Swedish little moment you can't even force her to take a little favor. Hardly he can't. Just a shame that a pretty little thing like her has to go out and reform in front. All people in that were out costumer hers shadow with. It looks all right to me. All the spangles is getting rusty. things the shorter, but she'd never seen anything about getting a new one. Oh, I'm sure she would well, she wouldn't. I had to argue with her ten or fifteen minutes for CD. Her major men's. She wrote down. What for for a new costume, I watch her. She here. He's going to be surprised when she sees a new and ordered for. Yes, you more likely be over overcame. Just how much did this new costume cost? Not. Much Eh on recollect right now sixty dollars ninety dollars. How much did it cost alone I? told you I don't regret. Is Now the summers in that neighborhood? Though let's up pretty fancy neighborhood. Did you tell us more about this? No I shoulda. Here's business side. It's good for the show more of a invest. You might say yeah. He's might well anyway I don't like him using somebody likes a neuro. Taking that money and I told him so to. You said he's accused of everybody. Who else did he mention? Well, you just fame. Excuse me there once. More. No of is your i. put the money in. There already got up right then. Wait a minute. Hey, cedric, come here a minute. I WanNa talk to Sadri Squire was using him to. Watch, he never done it on. My course, not he don't even know the combination on their say. Well. Where were you going to drink? Why. I was gone whole, carton. No place I don't even know who just walking around shorter. Come on down. Aware standing I wanNA have a little talk with you this. What are you WanNa talk about? Cedric you might not have noticed, but there was money took out of the safe here either Thursday night or Friday or yes, ma'am. I note about that four hundred thirty dollars and seventy cents. Yeah, that's right. That's what it was. Yeah, you don't know who took it or nothing like that. will or he don't long. You know never took it noting reason you didn't myself. Saturday but there's another fellow around here that sorta accused and you have it. I wanted to cross them and use those. I proved him that. You don't know nothing about it. Small. Were you just tell us that cedric don't know nothing about it long, and you'd better get on. An Front to folks will be wanting to buy tickets on can't get into the show. To get my tickets and change together here. Run around front there abner entails choir to keep these going to get to. Hurry up now. Yeah I will. See now. Let's see if again recollect the combination. SORTA slipped my mind. Starts here at no, I know that there's bomb and around the right, the seventy and back to. Back, to back the twenty, yeah, twenty, in fact, a forty five recollect. And in. The seventy again. Yeah, that's right seventy. And that order over. Yeah got it. Take about twenty dollars per to wait a minute here, which motorists alone it's gone. It's gone again. Put Two hundred and eleven dollars in here last night. Somebody's robbed this safe again. Now wait a minute. It appears that cedric has a better memory than some people give him credit for. A. Air Long ways from the Johnnym down store right now, June fourteenth, nineteen, forty, eight lum, and Abner here on Classic Radio Theatre Visit Our web page classic radio. Dot Stream. If you miss a day on this station, you don't have to miss a program. 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This story you're about to hear is true. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent dragnet. This is classic Radio Theatre Guy. I was a communist. Light so. Everybody. Now. Here's your host why it talks. We go back to tune fourteenth nineteen fifty five. Jack Webb Ben. Alexander starring in dragnet the Big Fall Guy. Own! Ladies and gentlemen. or about to hear is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned robbery detail. The owner of a small delicatessen reports that he's been rob, he says the thief casually walked out of his store and disappeared. Your job find him. Dragnet the DOCUMENTA drama of an actual crime. For the next thirty minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department. You will travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official police fires. From beginning to end from crime to punishment, dragnet is the story of your police force in action. Sunday! October ninth! It was overcast in Los Angeles. We're working the day. Watch out of robbery detail. My partner's Frank Smith, the Boston tickets. That Brown my name's Friday was on my way back from communications. It was three forty eight pm when I got the room twenty seven eight. Robbery. Robbery Friday. It is second. Pan. I go ahead, please. All right I haven't what happened. How long ago! All right right away, thank you. Guy came into a delicatessen run. Sunset took out a pretty big order. Sack full of money. Four fifteen pm Franken to small combination delicatessen grocery on the corner of sunset third, the owner of the store and Mr Paul Klee told us that the robbery had taken place approximately twenty minutes earlier. He said that the patrol car officer who had answered his call at left to make an immediate search for the suspect Gabriel real description I did yesterday you said that kept my wits about me all the time, young. Story I was studying him didn't let him catch on of course, but I was making mental. Note I wonder if you tell us just what happened Mr Capable. How's that? We'd like to hear about the robbery. Right from the beginning Oh checking up on me sir. Making sure I you. The same story I gave another cop on. So that's not the idea. I told him everything that wants to. We like here to. That's you ain't GonNa hear nothing different one he did. What would you tell US anyway? Well, if that's how you want it, is she? A CROOK? Fellow came walking into my store biggest life. Begun I was about twenty minutes ago wasn't who might be twenty one or two, but now depends on. How long been talking to me? Yes, what do you say when he came out? Bandit fellow? That's nothing. Nothing. That's what he said not a single solitary word I say. Even open his mouth just handed me an envelope. Yeah! Seal it was sealed up shop. Go ahead struck me as being kind of peculiar. What do you mean well? Lots of my customers being list of things as opposed to buy it. Don't know enveloped icing. My instinct show was right wasn't the grocery list as far from it presents note inside hand-printed is saying. Well. No one said. That would be nice Yasser. Take all of the money out of the cash register put, but the paper bag and hand it over. That wasn't all you want to hear the rest. If you would please, don't do any talking. Don't try to stop me. If you do I'll give you. The end of it. Do you still have this note Mr Klay? Pool idlewild Ashley and all the register. What we please well, that's up to you I guess. Other cops said I wasn't a handed on the of fingerprints. Try to be careful with it, so he might take. No chances destroy invaluable evidence. Well had it right the. Word for Word S. are you sure did after you read this? Note what to do Clay Pu? I Don just what a chance to give him the money from the registered. That's right for the paper bag and number eight, one, thousand, eight, hundred that that was the size of the bank. How much money did you give them? All the laws unable to fifty dollars most of it in bill. Most I'd say couple of Tansu four or five someones respites change right. What happened next fellow took the bank and the grid and walked out. Look real pleased with himself. Did you see where he went? Left the store guests there I mean after that turned down the street who get into a car I didn't see you didn't try to follow him. NOPE I didn't aim to stick out. My neck non figured that was up to you. Fellow. That's right mcclay pool enough. The Robert had a gun most. Did you see Haute? But that said he'd kill me if I gave them any trouble, yes. must've had a gun. If aimed to kill me, stands to reason yesterday. was there anybody else in here when he came in? Just me I don't do much business time noon and not on Sunday. Had you ever seen this man before. No, not directly I wonder if you could describe them for sure, I told you I give him a real good ones hold. Yes, Sir I always young fellow right around twenty I'd say Husky about five ten. Maybe ways one seventy. Not Attach understand you just Husky. What about his coloring well? I'm coming to that. Brown hair medium. Brown Kinda Gray is medium, complexion, remarks, scars know. How was he dressed? Pants DOT colored surge more than likely losers, a looked like it was part of a suit. Couldn't see shirt. They had on a sweater yellowish with of them. Callers choke show. What's Eh if it's all around your neck? Like sold turtleneck sweater? What was that what you call yesterday? Well. That's right good name. That's just what it looks like. Turtle poke nodded his neck. Anything else you can tell us about this man. What do we got in mind? Anything that would help us identify well could real funny almost like he didn't know what he was doing. Kind of look at me funny to. Know How to put it into words exactly. One of command the City Hall for a few minutes. Michigan Label City Hall Yeah, so we like a mugshot saving and make an indication force well, that'd mean closing the store or we'll take very long. Well Oh, I guess, it will help. Catch this. Follow appreciate appreciated. Excuse me Sir. Labels out. I'll that? Who? Friday that's for US A. Oh a are. Thank you. This Friday. That's right. How long ago. Yeah I got. Well! We won't need you. Downtown. Just yet will change your mind. Yes, you're. What's that flower shop will run phone. Yeah, sounds like the same guy. Franken I, told Mr Klay. We check with them later we'll have. The delicatessen drove out to the bringer floor shop on Fountain and Selma Four Forty Two, pm we. The victim is Norma Devereaux. She seemed to be extremely agitated. She told us that a man had walked into the store about four thirty, and gave her a sealed envelope. She showed us the note the envelope, but contained and appear to be a duplicate of an old Mr Clayton will have been given this man saying I think to Mistero. I don't remember I. Don't think so. Did you say anything to him? I was too scared how much money to take. I gave him all. It was everything the register. Honestly, but about. How much would you say? I'm not sure you see I. don't work. I was just helping out. The store belongs to my sister and brother-in-law. To take their children for a ride this afternoon, so I said I'd look to shop. Never should have offered I might have known something like this would happen I'd had a funny feeling all day long. It's a bad week for me anyway this whole week. According to my horoscope. and. You don't have any idea. How much money was stolen. Mistero I don't think it was very much a few bills and some coins. Do you happen to know what day this is. The date I mean this is the mind and I I might have known. She said to be especially careful on the ninth and the eleventh white and I pay more attention to that last reading. It certainly cost me enough. You notice where this man went when he left the shot. Did you notice where he went all? I didn't pay any attention. I was just so relieved that he was gone. You described before us, please. Well! I'm trying to think. It just comes up a blank face everything about him I was he dressed? Terribly. Sorry I just can't remember we can help you. Was He wearing a kotor sweater. That's right a sweater I. Remember the sweater. Wasn't. Lightish I think I'm not sure. What kind of a sweater would you call it? Just a sweater I guess how about his hair? Is. At several. Well. There's one thing I don't know whether it would do any good or not. As man I feel like such a fool, not being able to remember where it was or when, but I'm almost certain about. That I've seen him before. Franken I continued to question the victims. She insisted that she had met her seen the suspect sometime before the crime, but she was unable to recall the circumstances. Five! Thirty API, we drove both victims down to the city hall and ask them to go through the mud books for the purpose of identifying the suspect. In, eastern other books, yes, ma'am. Thank. You're sure have enough of them. Only think for what. I signed before. I get you folks from coffee. House like a right good idea about you. Would you like some coffee to? Deborah that's. That's IT I. Remember now his face everything about him. It's the same man I'm positive. It was when you mentioned coffee. That's what brought it back to me Ma'am I just. Wasn't you saw this man? Let's see. Last week when I went shopping for a new co Tuesday. Yes, that's when it was Tuesday I was having lunch the fairway cafeteria in Hollywood well. It was crowded and sitting alone. He came by and ask if he could use the same table gland I nodded, and he sat down. I didn't pay any attention to him. Not really I just went on and finished my lunch. He was still eating when I left anything else. You can tell us about him I. Think. He had on the same coast. He was wearing today the sweater anyway. I remember the sweater real plane now. This was the same manner Raja Oh. Yes, I know why, sir, that'll help wanted my remembering where I saw I'm. I'll bet. He eats there all the time at that same cafeterias man. We'll check on that. Oh, he does I feel certain of it. You'll see surged. It was think that made me go under that restaurant, and it was fate that made him sit at my table. Was all part of a big plan meeting like that and then him robbing me. Today was part of a big plan so that you could catch him. Yes, that's right and you will catch him. Don't you worry about that? You'll catch. Him Fades against him well. It makes us even than what we. Now that you remember seeing suspect performance devereaux confirmed Paul Klee booze description. We asked the victims to continue going through the mud books. They weren't able to come up with an identification. Sixty one PM Franken I drove him home and we went off duty. Next Day October tenth ten five Am. We interviewed the day cashiers at the fairway cafeteria? They couldn't recall any specific customer who answered the suspect's description? Levin Forty Six am. We went back to the office? Robbery Friday. Well thanks anyway. Sloan! Says, he can't give us. A lead from those notes were printed. About nearly nights to them with me where you WANNA go. I don't care how much you the main difference to me. We'll suggests them. I told you doesn't mean difference. I don't know why it always has to be up to me. where, we why don't you decide once in a while all right fine? Let's go to that new Chinese place on Broadway for launch. Will. Why not you don't want Chinese food for lunch I don't. What do you got in mind? Mine. And end up making the choice. Sure is a problem, isn't it? 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Who told you that? Tony, who stony. That's all I know him by Stony. Collecting money for him. And you expect to buy that, too, don't you? Know I guess. Why don't you try giving us the truth? When look now may I'm not the brightest guy in the world, if I was I wouldn't in this mess. Come to you and my own accord deny all. Maybe you got scared. Maybe figure, go easier with you gave yourself up is not. A I can't blame him for thinking that. Show was dumped trick. Why'd you do it? Then because I didn't know 'cause he told me it was just a job. I was doing. Stony told you yeah. Yeah, that's right. Now, let's hear your way. You know well, you know He. He said he worked for kind of collection agency. You know where they go after the deadbeats. He said he had to have somebody to help him. Only part time with the pay would be good. Offered me to work. On ETA steady job lately. Sound kind of good to me. Go ahead. Well I suppose to meet him yesterday afternoon. Three o'clock picked me up in front of the place where I live now. Goma pass at grocery store parked around the Corner Gimme envelope, and he told me take greenside. Hand it to a fellow who worked there. He said I was to make sure. Nobody else's in the store on a county. He didn't WanNa make the old feel bad by collecting the debt in front of somebody else you know. So done what he told me. Give, the old guy note you give me the money and I took it back to stoney. Where was he while? You're in the store? Around the corner like I said. Why didn't you go in with? You wanted to see if I could handle it myself on my own. You know that's what he told me Well, then we. We drove over to that. They're flower place. Same routine. Yeah, only this time I got kind of suspicious you know. She acted so scared. Lady didn't seem to me that having to pay up dead. Make somebody so scared I told Stony afterwards. He said it was just act that they all put on like that Well I. Didn't exactly believe him so next place we stopped opened up. The envelope for went inside. Now Dan Ok-. You know well. I didn't know what to do. Finally. Back to the car and I really told him off stony. I told him I was a new thing I told him he had to return all that money. When he say he just laughed at me. He said our biggest pigeon. He ever met I said he didn't take back the door I. Go to the COPS. He told me you throw me in jail at you. Never believe a word I told you. What happened in? Got Out of the car, I said I wasn't a crooked was gonNA. Make me be one. Heading right for the police station and I. got to thinking I seem like maybe he was right that nobody would believe a story like this. So I went home. All Right? Why did you come in today? Well. I didn't sleep none too good last night. Kind of worrying me what I'd done I figured. Maybe he'd find some other sucker like me and pull that same stone over again. I didn't want him to get away with it so. I decided to take my chances on you guys. I'm going to get a short count Emma. Stone lives. No. He never said not to me and you don't always last name either Oh award UMEDA. Henley's Jim or on Olympic I. Hang out there sometimes. You fight. or Some about you. How'd you? Get acquainted well. I. Don't know it just start talking one day last week. He come in for steam bath and afterwards. We're both watching some of the guys workout. Here's there again on. Saturday. That's offered me this job. Kind of a is he drive Chevy Sedan. Coupe hardtop last year's model. You know the license no. Pay No attention. wouldn't matter if I. Did I remember and things? Can you tell us what stony looks? Why is a big fella? Shop Dresser Allergy thirty, five, maybe forty. What color his hair short read anything else scars anything like that. No. That's the whole story Yeah you didn't know you were robbing those stores. You didn't have any idea honest. I sound crazy, don't. Does Joe Nazi from. Right there till you okay okay. We're done expecting us to fall for line like that live. Once he takes for I. Don't know. Couldn't be true word. Heckuva this. Such darn full starring. John just can't help believing allure though do I. Uh Franken I continue to interrogate the suspect. He maintained his innocence and we were unable to shake him. We ran the name Harvey Tilden through. They had nothing on them. We also ran the name stony through the moniker filing. We came up with two possibles. We pulled mugshots and show them to tell them. He tentatively identified one of the photos James Brightstone, but he wasn't positive. We telephone bright stones last known address, Small Downtown Hotel. They told us he'd moved during the summer, and they had no idea of his present whereabouts. We. CHECK DMV and our own vehicle records. They reported that a late model Chevrolet was registered and bright stones name. Arby Tilden was held in custody for further questioning. 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Now on Classic Radio Theater the conclusion of dragnet, the big fall guy originally broadcast June fourteenth nineteen fifty-five, Mulvoy. Don't ring a bell in a fight game we are. About a Harvard tilling. Tax York sure I know. Off and on you, still little boxing. Record six six Cao's. He was before I got. Dylan says is where he met. The stone could take a look at this picture winning. Seen this guy before. Mile. Swear to guy looks something like this. Lately works out. Takes esteem by getting. Around Day. No not so fun. When was the last time remember? The last week Friday Saturday talking to. I don't know maybe guys come in here. Friendly type guys all. Right here's our guard so this Pelicans! Want to talk to him. Okay becomes. Thanks sure I'm a real obliged and I feel. I got no be, will you? I'll be a waste of time. Though calling you, you want to see this guy ought to turn around me. Just walk in the door. Franken I talk to the man George, gently pointed out he readily admitted that he James Brightstone. He also admitted knowing Harvey Tilt Them. He said he'd spent the previous afternoon in his room at the Jackman. Hotel. We telephoned the hotel, but the Clark was unable to confirm bright stones alibi. Five. Thirty one PM we drove a suspect down to the city hall and continued aren't irrigation I look. Why don't you guys tell me what it is you WanNa know. Spell it out real big litters, and I'll give you the answer same size. Where were you asked? Afternoon thought we already covered that. Let's go over it again. Okay, boy! I was in my hotel room while a clerk doesn't back you up? What does he say I wasn't there? What was the last time you saw? Him Saturday over the gym, not yesterday. Jim is an open on Sundays tilting lives. No, you pick him up rooming house yesterday, didn't you can? Why would I be picking a crime up like that? Did you offer tilting the job? Whole pretty funny. WHAT'S THE JOKE I? Ain't GonNa jump myself. Did you ever take them for a drive? Boy I'm telling you the only place. I ever see the guys Jim. Yeah, he knows what kind of car you got all make and model well. Maybe I didn't see him I. Love This Still Valley's screwball. Don't even know what time it is. Whatever we told you can forget it. All are couple of things we can't forget. Telling says you put them up to robbing stores yesterday you can. He says you hired him to work for you to collect some past due bill. This kid is really office rocker, isn't he? Maybe Well, as is supposed to be what he was doing me, these favors outside and your car waiting for 'em. Go Boys. You interest me well. That's about it and you'd pick up a guy in a phony story like that. It look I'm getting Outta here till at the only guy who sit down brightstone. All right jokers prove any part of it. We're GONNA try to like know how we got a team out right now, checking neighborhood of both robberies. If anybody saw your car on those stores yesterday afternoon, you've got trouble. I got news for you. Guys that don't matter where I was yesterday. You can't time into these job. We'll see matter of fact I'll give you a hand. I might have been driving around those stores yesterday. Is that right? Yeah, come to think of it I went for ride along about two. o'clock slipped my mind before. You're not that I. Know where Tilden pulled his heist your Doda. Sure, of course, then what makes you think you were in the vicinity? Saying might have been. Just where who knows it took me a real long time. Do you leave Your Hotel two o'clock? Maybe what time did you get back later on much later? All Right I. Tell You what I'm GonNa. Give you guys a break. Good now. I know you can keep this up for seventy two hours and I got more important things to do so. Let's get it over with. Up to you, okay! Okay. Tell them was given square. He was just the. dumbest pigeon ever ran into. Yeah, go ahead. Let's. You got it now. What are you gonNA do about it. What do you think? If you're smart, Termi loosen Let me. Give you a little advice. Free, so tilden was a fog I already admitted to you guys. But to nobody else anybody else asked me I. Deny it the whole thing, so you might as well play smart. You figure on sticking me with this rap. You GotTa have a signed confession. I ain't GonNa give it to you. Well now. MAYBE WE WON'T EAT IT boy. You got the biggest rocks in your head. Children was in those stores I wasn't. He took the money I. Didn't you go into court? You come and dumber and he does. It's my word against his. You'd think anybody right? Mine's going to believe this boy. You think he'd stand a chance to convince the jury. Willie might. Chad's. CONVINCED US The Star you just heard is true. The names were changed. Protect the. On January, eighth trial was held in Department Ninety Eight Superior Court of the State of California in fall, the county of Los Angeles the District Attorney failed to issue a complaint against Harvey Tilden James Hill. Brightstone was tried and convicted of robbery and the second degree to counts robbery, and the second degree is punishable by imprisonment and the state prison for not less than one year. You have just heard dragnet the series in both cases from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H Parker Angeles Police Department of Technical Advisers Captain Jack Donahoe Sergeant. Marty wins Sergeant Brazier. Heard tonight where Ben Alexander Vic Rodman for Gregg Eddie firestone script by Frank Burt Music by Walter Shuman Hal gibney speaking. June fourteenth nineteen fifty five dragnet on Classic Radio Theater are us. Constitution is amazing. It's full of what's called. 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It's just a pain in the neck. Worth, a half million bucks, because he was fool enough to write an insurance policy on your life, but not to me my brain on you as a fast three cents. Give it a couple. Sure and that's why I'm here, but yesterday, when I tried to get you to cooperate, you called it a practical joke. About now. No! Cost bullet you last night and scared. The living pants off of you well called. Captain Baramulla the police. Look I need another hour sleeps. Don't fall in my room again before nine o'clock good bye. Tonight and every Weekday Night Bob Bailey. And the transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed expense account. America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator truly Johnny Dollar. From special investigator, Johnny Dollar Location Ensenada Mexico. To the Home Office Union states casualty. Company, Hartford Connecticut's assignment. The laughing matter expense account continue. WHO. Tend Fifty Cents Room Service on a glass of orange juice. Another hours sleep was out of the question, just hearing his voice on the phone left me to man to relax. One of America's most popular comedians living legend. And yet his whole cast the people down here with him on location hated the ground he walked on. Personally? I was on this side. What? was to protect his life from some unknown enemy who sent him a threatening note? And last night, the threat had become action in the form of a shot fired from the darkness. It was my job to see that the killer didn't get a second chance. And that's what I was being paid for and the fact that Charlie Burton class-a. A stinker was irrelevant. Frank malts executive producer of the Charles Burton show, and practically the only early patron of the hotel breakfast Rome was sitting at a table alone. Warning Johnny, I left him sitting in almost the same position at two o'clock in the morning. Only the table then was in a backstreet Cantina in town. He was apparently remembering avoided my eyes until the waiter brought my coffee and gone away. I guess. I made quite a fool of myself last night. I was A. Nice of you ask Johnny. Let's good coffee. Oh. You've been making the rounds last night. For whatever reasons and you feel like talking, but I I wouldn't call that making a fool of yourself all right, thanks. Silver enough when I left you. Should you just sat there and let me talk it? Where'd you go anyway? I came out of the CANTINA. Later you disappear captain. Parral police picked me up in a pro car. He'd located at made from the hotel here. We went home and talk to her so. Well For the moment at least you and Al and Gloria dealer apparently off the hook. Oh, the made says Burton was always annoying her. Whenever she was on duty, he was. I told them to lay all her husband found out and came out here to the hotel yesterday evening I saw him and his wife arguing out there on the terraced after dusk. But I didn't know what it was all about at that time. Anyway. That's the last she saw he didn't come home last night and he's still missing. I just talked to parral on the phone. I've got half the police force looking for a new figure. He's the one who took a shot at Charlie. Last night China adds up, doesn't. I guess so. I hope they find him. Johnny before he finds Charlie again I'd hate to see a board that'll take a rep for killing allows who isn't worth an and I you mean well the chances are they didn't neither one of you. Fellows ever get the bed last night for long morning I'll oh, goodness, frank look, awful man, you must the slept on your face I looked the same as I look every morning. Want some breakfast and our thanks. I'm skipping going to try to get dip net pool before a blubber tummy uses out of his featherbed. I don't think he'll be using the this morning. Not If you remember is what we're shooting today, said castaway sequences, and we'll get that first, but later this afternoon at the light on the water is okay. I want to get those shots at him swimming ashore. Good keep him on retakes till he gets waterline. It's kind of a slapstick desert island thing johnny. You, see Charlie, and is supposed to have been on his yacht, and it sank and I just disappear, but some stop shots at Charlie swimming like crazy in shot of a deserted South Sea Island, and finally Charlie comes crawling up onto the beach. That's the sequence. We're going to shoot this morning. I see, he's pooped. He's dying. You know then I step out from behind a Bush and I'm wearing a full dress, suit, white tie and tails. He thinks he's crazy or something. It starts building from there then. At the East thirsty see so I reach into my coat and bring out a soft drink and ice, cold bottle and I open it and give it to him. It says cut quality beverages on the bottle COTR. Yeah, so Charlie, is it any good and I say it's cut man and he says so nice. Say So. It's got to be good. So Johnny it's out and out slapstick, but it works pretty well on camera. Keeps building you see I, keep producing things out of the bushes, a table and chair, tablecloth dishes and silver caviar bottle of wine roast Turkey then a string quartet, and finally a line of dancing girls, and the payoffs shaggy dog. He says look. We were shipwrecked together. How you doing all of this and I say it's easy. I got a cousin in Congress. It's a lot better on film. Johnny a lot better than it sounds stripped down this way. Yeah well I'm not exactly a fan of burdens. He's got some good stuff. And this missed MR dollar. In fact, he's got all the good stuff. I'm in their forced to feed him the lines as usual of course. If I ever get a decent role in his show, I'll drop dead all relay A. Show. That's not funny. Addy's I said. It's not funny. You thought it was when you did it on the show last month May I. Remind you that your service is going to be easily dispensed with good. Fire me how? I could get out of this lousy contract with you could start on the. Tomorrow and at five times. What's your opinion? I think it easy. By all main, they'll set me up in my own show, and they'll put it in a timeslot right opposite yours and three months Charlie I could bumpy a clear off the screen. You don't say how beat it. Okay Frank. Sar You to get caught in the crossfire Mr Dollar. Nothing personal forgetting. See You later gentlemen. You'll be on that set in the half hour, not a minute later. Yes, sir. You certainly are one big happy family, aren't you? That was a nobody when I picked them up a wrong charlie. That kid is a real talent. Kneel at this C.. You'll see what I have to deal with. He's done as much for this show in the past years. You have you see. I'm forced to live in the very presence of Miami. Who made them your enemies burden look? My only concern has always been the welfare of those less fortunate than myself. Those who depend on me for their professional careers in their lively understand. There's some difference of opinion about that well, let's envy nothing but envy. Would you like some more coffee joining? No, thanks I've had about all. I can stand syllabi. May I ask what you're doing to protect my life Mr Dollar. If anything all hyped taken the usual routine precautions teen I demand more than routine from me. You don't demand anything I'm working for the insurance. Company. Complain to that good good. Why don't you cancel your policy at the same time then I can get off. This assignment couldn't cancel it if I wanted to. My sponsors wouldn't allow it. It's for their protection, not mine. I know that. I think you'd like to see me murdered on. You're wrong there. That would mean I'd lousy up an assignment and I. Take Pride in my work, but you wouldn't care personal a. No comments demand protection from the local police. You've already got it. Captain. BARRAL had two men on duty the last night after that shot was fired. Watching your room I didn't see them didn't intend for you to see them relaxed Burton. If the worst does happen, ballistics can probably identify the killer after we get the slug out of your body color. This is no laughing matter. then. Why did you treat it like one? Why did you tear up threatening letter? Why didn't you call the police in right then? Why didn't you cooperate with me yesterday when I got here? Why the Devil Jamaica Pass at an eighteen year old girl in the first place and get her husband out gunning for you. You mean you know who's trying to kill me. If it's any satisfaction to your Burton, just in case he gets passed as you probably have been killed by a man named. Joe Morales is wife is a made here at the hotel as you no doubt know. That little. Native Yeah. That little native girl looked. Both of you know. I was wrong I. Admit it I. Just lost my head. I guess when a man's under pressure all this time as I am doesn't always think straighten on I didn't mean any harm toward her ab. It'll be able to convince not your that if he waits long enough to listen. Don't don't please I I know you hate me all of you but. I'm not as bad as you think you just don't know. The load is star has to carry. Why don't you tell us about it? You Frank? You don't think I'm being fair without you think I'm holding him back. Not Getting a chance while you're wrong, I'm actually carrying him teaching him things. I've learned over the years. He knows quite a bit Charles, so you don't believe me. You don't think I know what I'm talking about. Let all right. All Right, I'll show you. Alison written down today's sequence. He said that I. I had the great role. You heard him say oh. I'll trade with him. You mean that yes, I mean. Let them change any line. He wants to fit his style. You can play at any way he likes. I'll take that role he says is so bad and I still come out to stall right all right all right. Charlie we'll have a go at it. Fine I'll see you on the set. An somebody manages to kill me I. The morning gentlemen. I never thought I'd live to see the day. Yeah, that's shot. Last night must have really shaken them up. All of that kid will make him look sick, Johnny. He doesn't know what he's in for. His way to find. Johnny. I've been thinking about something you said that made Morales's wife. Does she speak English now? Just Spanish what about her husband? Same deal only Spanish. Well, but the no johnny, the Murder Threat Charlie got that was written in English. Yeah I know. In an. Sea Island set built on the beach the far end of the bay. The technicians and the rest of the cast were already there when I arrived, and they started shooting fifteen minutes later. Gloria Deo wasn't in the sequence, so she slept in at the hotel. Some of captain paroles men Ron hand on the lookout for not marines, but he didn't show. By three in the afternoon, they were nearly finished. They shot the last seen once, but malts decided on a retake. So. How sat down again at the fully table on the beach, and they started to roll and poured himself another glass of colored water from the prop wine bottle and began to carve the roast Turkey. WHAT EXCHANGE LINES WITH BURTON? Then suddenly Al Mist Q. Folded, online and molds cut the cameras Al Push back on the table, stood up slowly than staggered and fell. I rushed toward push through the crowd was gathering and kneel down beside. But he was already did. Now. Here's all star to tell you about the final intriguing episode of This Week Story Tomorrow, a frantic game of musical chairs with every player desperate because the loser in this game gets the electric chair. Join US, won't you? Yours truly johnny dollar. 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S2 E18:  AOC, TCM, Pelosi, Jerry Nadler's fat head and more!

The All New Dennis Miller Option

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S2 E18: AOC, TCM, Pelosi, Jerry Nadler's fat head and more!

"This is Dennis Miller option, your source of opinion stories in laughs from comedian and inactive est Dennis Miller and his guy Friday, Christian Blat, what's up Hiroshi? Let's light this candle who, ladies and gentlemen. Dennis nor a pob was watching Abbott and Costello. Little boy. Oh my God. I watch buck privates. Which is their first film that they front. I think they're in something called one night in the tropics where they do who's on. I imagine. That's how hot that thing was they were able to shoehorn it into a Gauguin painting. One night in the tropics. It's like. People fire dance or something in a village. Who's on first breaks out? But. The warble in his voice makes me laugh, very hard Lukasz. Delo. And you know, they always talk about the straight man, but your main man's here. Your squeeze some. So clearly, I have that nickname. And by the way, Christine you cutting it so close here getting I wanted to start around four minutes ago near walking in the door, literally a minute and a half before we go on the air when you and Heather little afternoon, delight or something. So you think that I need a minute and a half for that. Tiny tiny sky rockets in flight. After known. So what they're from Starlight vocal ban. The little river band who sang that to to. Hey about what I did there. That's stuff is seamless, man. You don't notice it. Now, there's going to be a time down the road where I'm long gone. Yes. The same. But no longer talking to you. And you're gonna remember hanging fucking guy cross room is so tight with now on even motion to me Rainman over the remember when he I thought he wasn't funny, but he was. All right. I'll see it one day. I'm sure listen, look at main drudge headline they discovered a evidence of a completely new human race just in. I did see the headline. Yes. The just why she's it's also an asshole. Who to thank it. Way back. They find some new Uman species. Get them. They were in the Philippines. Dennis doesn't that make sense? We were supposed New York was supposed to be underwater, the sheer Cording all the main scientists gore. Jake Gillan hall. Which which one do you trust more? I know who I I see. So we find a new Uman species. I'll bet. Are true genius is thinking that we're the most important group of people in the history of planet when it turns out where the dolts so. Yeah, I'm sure we, hey, maybe they find it when they were using that drill bit to core down in the ice. So they can tell you when Taina sors got the runs. I believe that science to where they core down. And then they put a chart up that looks like bulkheads sitting on United in nineteen seventy one where they had that carpeting on the the bulkhead that was all oranges and. Oranges and Tope some bright, shiny mittens. I'm sorry. I'm just singing to piss oh one guy. I've all right. What do we have guest today? The guest is you, and I and the listeners dutiful why I'm going to I'm going to drill down. I see everybody's saying that now and interviews can I drill down on something. Yeah. I guess, but I prefer us. We another question. Well, that's what I meant. And get a job. Oh, I'm sorry. That's what you realize we were in a Duke weighing oil platform fire fell. I thought we were just doing Cuna. Remember, I wanted to do is show for Christian, and it was rebuffed out of hand where it was guests come on each week from different walks of life. And they all interview me, and it's a and q. I love that idea. How quickly was that ship that I think you said it's called a and then before you got the Q out. They were s I always thought it was kind of a funny idea. It's a, hey, flip that hoe. On its head anyway, food, and you anytime you hear anybody starting to sentence anything happen. They've got nothing. Nothing's going to happen. Congratulations, a BB Netanyahu and see just popped the cork on a new missile. Christ when you live in it's like knots landing if everybody had got hit in the head with a wrecking ball. You're in not called aside. And what you're gonna get the the guy who soft on that? Thank God that who's in their five five terms now. And I think that's the record necessarily the record. Or no, gene, gene. Mark lost twelve game lead two weeks out for the Philly that I think the record but other than that congratulations to Netanyahu. And I hope you light up some monster later today. Just let them know you're still in charge, right? When you send an ask kicker missile. What are they really fi- environmentals? What do they do? I mean, they've got them. I think I know the Jews always played coy with the with the atomic weapon. You have the atomic weapon. We have blintzes blow. Blintzes jewish. Yeah. Are you Jewish? Yes. I'm the only Jew named Christian member my old theory that the one ever I've had a show I exclusively hired juice dodge Christmas problems. Because I there they celebrate something different where it's like on the twelfth Dave Christmas, but would drills and stuff on the twelve Hannukah Schlomo got for me. Second. I'm on the something here, you know, all the Arabs when they're in New York. They're they're rerunning fiddler on the roof there and all the visiting Arab businessmen. Go sit in the front row and scream jump. That's a whole different thing for them. It's like when I went to the Zona Hawaii. You know, all of us were looking down into the sea. You know, watching the last of the I don't know, I guess it'll go on forever. Nothing gone forever. It'll be interesting to see their gas leaking up. You know, if you've been to the Zona, I have not still petroleum leaking out from its hall under you. Bubbles up. So you can still see that. We're looking at that in tears and all the Asian tourists are pointing up into the saddle the mountains they came in through them saying we get a separate tower here. Just for today. Just like maybe not have the bilingual signs here on the Zona. If you were Japanese people, would you understand that? Yeah. When you say, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Because we don't want you, you know, Hawkin those planes, they hawked on and Chinatown Hiroshima, you know, where they fly a little bird planes. Were they whip them? They do two loops I had about we don't want those in her Oceana. So I can understand where they might want. They might want to not Gringo Hiroshima. And we might not want to put on the is code Asians this week. What isn't? Yeah. I know. It's a it's consistently been Asians for for a while. Now Asians was on though. No, I I mean, I think you can still get away with it. It's not like like American Indian is out because you want native American instead. But there was a time where American Indian was fine. Yeah. I never know when it changes because sometimes it changes the things I don't even understand like like, I said dwarfs is out now little people's in. And, you know, thinking, that's so condescending that'd be calling Asian guy Pacific Rimmer or something, you know, where he'd just say. Hey sedation. All right. Look at Trump. He's got an speech here looks like he's got berry Linden lighting. Do you have a TV on? I have on. On Fox News channel. So I must not have on the same thing you on FOX business on Fox News anymore. Well, I can watch out so liberal isn't a more liberal than MSNBC. Now, I watch at Smith once in a while and think well chef is on right now. I I would I always have it on mute. But I do see the the lighting now on President Trump there in San Antonio. He's definitely got the recognize and full effect. No. Some wildlife is that where he's on San Antonia. I'll be there soon. Maybe that's why he's there. He's three years. We're meeting up for secret rendezvous, I was missed June nineteen eighty four. All right. So we're got no guests today. Listen to some of our voicemails, maybe somebody has questions on their last time. I asked Christian asked the crowd through Christian Christian axes an impasse like spa gland. His hands on the Horta. Gene ages, and I ask if people preferred guests shows are no guests shows naturally. Christian. Did the Solomon Esq thing where he said, I think they like okay good can here. Can you job this Eric Stoltz needle in the my heart revive me after I fucking boring answer? But. Who these guys with Trump what's going on here? Trump many presidents haven't done a lot of things they should have exactly he really went out on a limb with that one. Well, listen, he people hate them. Because he does he checks a lot of boxes people. You know hate that. But you gotta give them that. The guy is an active cat, and God knows if I was him. I would do a celebrity death match Klay mation with Morgan spurlock spurlock was anti Mickey D's. Then this guy is a walking talking revival tent for the joys of McDonald's. 'cause is an absolute beast. It's gone by on three hours of sleep a night. Right. Yeah. I think that's about right? You ever seen him look tired? The only time I ever saw him. Look a little dissipated as when they came out with the no collusion thing. Because I think he has to hold himself in some sort of rigidity to not have his kids. Get Secker punched. You know? That's always hanging over his head. So that night when they said there was no collusion. I do. And there was no further in. Minutes that was the key thing and he didn't have to worry about his kids anymore. He did look a little lawn. As in Williams out on the nothing funnier to me one Williamson somebody's making a coach and point. On the five. And he does the quizzical upturn palm look. Yeah. He's he's always he's always got the vapors like like eighty five year old Broadway Waren hope diamond around her neck in the lobby the phone blew that. They Murph the surf check dinner, so. John ropy Lewis shot. He's no he'll still my sparklers. All right. Christian. You wanna feed me stuff? I did our ads already gonna meld those, and we're gonna have to say oh Turner classic movie festival this weekend, very excited for I'm heading down after the show, a little cocktail party. And by the way, why? Way back when when they invented the word cocktail was at like code for you know, getting blasted and getting light simultaneously. I think at that point it meant that you were going to eat some chicken d'oeuvres. I'm just trying to think cocktail what does that about? Maybe somebody can. Fuck if you send in an explanation next week. Maybe you can send an explanation on our voicemail thing and Christian I forbid you from reading it. But I'm gonna look it up here. Come not doing anything. Oh, most in the podcast. This is fine. This is what people tune in for me type here. I gotta lay the Mike Don for so you believe my mic stand so tall. I can't use it or I have to sit up straight. So I have to take it out. And I have to lay this down like, you know, Monty hall and a quail loot. To something Bill Cosby came up with. No, thank you might be right. I lindsay. She she came up with the term cocktail. Now. Here's the thing. I was watching the Colorado triathlon. The other day, it's twenty five mile bike ride one and a half mile swim. And then a twenty five mile run in a hundred twenty-five mile bike race. And they were in the latter part of the bike race. And they come to those tables that they used to pass up orange slices and water, and it was little chilly this year. So they couldn't get any volunteers. They had conscripted sort of a brace gang. Some gets out of the local penitentiary system Cosby was one of them and he's handing glasses of water at the rest. Stop and immediately after drinking all the people were Ryan the women especially writing off into the mountains, really deranged. Just tried some joke about Cosby and liquids. Where did that go? Okay. Cocktail derivation look at that. You're right Dennis. It's about clock and tale. When did cocktails originate, why is cocktail sauce? How cocktail got its name. This is from somebody who's miss- misspelled saver av. E we trust them. I don't I don't see why we wouldn't keep reading Holly came to be called clock tales. It's like twenty pages long. Can't they get the word? Cocktail remains one of the most delusive. Why is it called? Sorry, folks. I can't read this. It's a big exposition where they could've just put you know in one word what what happened there. Well, the problem is that there are many theories as is what I'm trying to do obviously with the morning cock growing, right? And the tail of the cock. I'm reading something that says it came from a French word called, I'm gonna push coca tear. See? Okay. Hey, hey, hey, there is something called reverse arouse -ment your. The sit here with a woman putting me in harm's way. Don't you ever talk to him saying Kaku? It's my my favorite, Sarah. Connolly movie is the cockatoo. Great. Shota for Calley. I said Sarah, actually, meant Jennifer Connelly, what happened to me with Billie. What was Billy Campbell? Was he the Rocketeer? I'm sure that was the porn derivative of that movie right now, he's like, you know, like what was the poor paddle here with the wind. Cockatoo Bill Campbell there. Oh unum. Bring me hand relief. Oh, that's a Neil diamond diamond and strikes in saying that they're never in the studio yet what this is what the world has comes on watching the screen. They've got guys coming up to talk about the banks. And they're saying here's what you make. And here's what your average employee makes have you seen this this morning. I have this guy's being grilled by a woman talking about how he's overcompensated and you're thinking who is more overcompensated than these fucking morons in the house of representatives. Where everyday they walk around leading life that even Bank CEO's don't imagine, you know, protected in the car they had never have to do anything. They've got a bunch of minions chasing than done hall. Granted they're not in for millions. But they're in for enough. And they never have to pick up a check as long as they're in that job, and she's talking to him about how how dare you make this much more. And I'm thinking that's what I wanna do. I wanna talk to Jenky the guy who Greece's the ATM at the Bank, and I want him to take over for a day. Yeah. God forbid, I have a CEO and their who started his Jenky and trained and eventually became a C O after twenty years. I wanna get the guy just started and say, hey, we're we're we're we're shooting being there. You wanna be Cianci Gardiner for the day? Come in here. We're going to match some head funches together or head funches. Wait a minute fungible heads high sharks? I'm looking for a twenty five thousand dollars for fifteen percent of Mike fungible heads. Have you ever wanted to be a spy Eastwood? Mark Cuban's in on. He knows. He knows. But, you know, of course, the guy in charge should make four I was surprised. It was only four hundred fifty times the guy. Yeah. That does seem a little low. I just saying what is this whole thing. Coming down to now that we're gonna shoot everything absolutely everything in modern American life through the fuck up prism is is that what it comes down to is. You know, like I said these kids they're in high school. They take a second and sometimes third language Mandarin. I'll be working. Take a sports, you know to sports things one intermural. I gotta be in student United Nations take up an instrument if he ano- and they get a week off. They gotta fly to Yucatan and build a domicile for somebody. They've never met and risk being hit with a blow. Dart corroded artery all to get into one of the big five schools, and then they get out of the big five schools in this shit. Had ninety year old Bernie Sanders. Standing that, Tom. They're gonna make the same as less who took two months to make a penguin figuring and shop class, really. So I went to Warton I'm gonna make what less did. Thank you. Yeah. Good. Let me sleep in. Anyway. Musset that much. Sometimes I have more than four jokes can use. It. You don't that to me? I can think of three off the top of my head. So sure have or basic templates I work off of right? And I drop in periodically. Like, I threw blow gun corroded artery that one. But that's an old rubric. Isn't it? I think so. Yeah. But everything new is old again is anybody taking tumor. I don't think so I see on every commercial on. I'm wondering how I've got by with it. And I I some the other night and my stool looks like the head crossing guards belt member the orange belt. Yeah. So the tumor has made my stool the. Fell more. I think that guy just call you. In a biological. I'm anna. Have an orange stool to sit on. Right right, next to sick, high sharks. Harvest. But for ten percent of my new company those stole stole. Let's seats have been the same for so long house about sidling up the bar Scoble one of your favorite cocktails taking to do stream the stole stole. I mean, we don't just like it. We love it. Thank you push a few chips in and let's growl together. Listen, I'm not telling you anything, you don't know texting and driving isn't just a dangerous problem. It's deadly. And if you drive all distracted, you're three times more likely to crash, but far too many people still don't recognize the dangers. Did you know that when you send receive a text take your eyes off the road month five seconds at fifty five miles per hour. That's like driving more than the length of a football field with your eyes closed. Life is not an out Pacino movie down in the village between two thousand twelve and two thousand seventeen nearly twenty thousand people died in car crashes involving distracted driver, and if your own safety isn't enough reason to stop driving while distracted. Here's another one. It's also illegal. That's why cops are writing tickets anyone caught texting while driving. They're doing it to save lives. So remember if you text while driving, you will get caught you drive. You text you pay paid for by nitsa. All right. Let's see a Cossio Cortes dressed up like a Batman villain today. What is that? Yes. I believe she's the lesser known villain. The blueberry does she have a bow by the whereas she straight lesbian. I'm no her. My understanding is that she's straight. And I think that her boyfriend for lack of a better term. I think is actually also on Twitter, but you know, ever since the dance video I realized that I it was going to be hard for me to follow her. So she was dancing on one of her tweets. Oh, no, no. There was they they there was like an on earth video of her dancing on a rooftop in college as so. That's like thank God. Nobody took a photo of me on that airplane shirtless. Be on a rooftop ask me some things about the world Christian. I won't I won't deny you knowledge. Have you man? I know, bro. By the way, TC I'm festival this week. Yeah. I got off that for second. Tonight. I go down a little cocktail party was depress where I revealed at my foundation, the Reuss Wayne foundation. And then let's see tomorrow night is when Harry met Sally premier I walked the red carpet and try to stay out of ice shot with rob Reiner. Sure detest me, then let's see above Friday night. Ileana Douglas, and I at the Roosevelt hotel poolside, very cool. Introducing the nineteen fifty six film the opposite sex, which is a musical technicolor version of the women from nineteen thirty six play. Written by Clare Boothe, ironically, before she well, she one of the few women who got married and became a loose woman. Get in Clare Boothe loose. What I did there. I do and Ilian. I have a good time. Introducing that one young daughter and that by the way, ironically, played by a young woman named dasher. I forget her first name. I wrote it down the E S C H E R last year. I enter -duced them and the young girl who screams them in that movie is the aforementioned, MS dasher. Wow. Since she was so young. She also is in bad and the beautiful where she plays the young girl who screams when the cat people are after. In the fake film within the film that is the bad and the beautiful. So that's three sightings. I've see. I looked her up. She lives in Burbank, and she's only seventy two years old. Wow. And I I called T Sam. And I wish and surprise the people in the crowd and bring her up, and they said they cannot track her down so perchance when will this podcast go Christian tomorrow? It'll be Thursday April eleventh, if any of you have a neighbor for chance, and I think I let me see they have really tight analytic charts here. Yeah. I've gotten negative to podcast on letters in Burbank. So if either want to introduce people. No d'echouer, MS dasher, go over and tell her to come into the Roosevelt and let us kiss the ring on her that night, but seventy two now and in the last two films, we've introduced poolside which is such a quirky thing to me the next morning at nine fifteen I introduce when worlds collide with the star Barbara rush who is now ninety two and that'll be exciting for me Saturday night, if you're anywhere near Cal Lutheran university, which is out I believe near cow Methodists and not far from Cal Ramsey just past former Nick come on. I'm introducing Gary Sinise. Who's performing they're doing concert for the troops. That's I think five for fighting will be on before him. And then I under do such Garrett around seven nine. And then back into town and Sunday night. The great comedy writer Ellen's y bell, and I will be introducing talking about buck privates. The first Abbott and Costello film as I said that they fronted and that leads us them to do forty six films in sixteen years. Imagine all these guys are churning these out, and I did not know as much as I should about them. I enjoy them. But to me, it's kinda like they're the two students. You know, same sort of dynamic have got an idea. Well, let me Hitchin have of the ball hammer first, and then you can lay it on me through the slobber. So guess who turns up in buck privates in a minor part as a chef sham powered really crazy shampoo. Howard of molar cheese molar cheese, next Lukasz Delo comes off, like Ralph Richardson, he so demure. So that was an interesting citing and the end or the Andrew sisters are in it. Breaking out boogie. We'll keep you go. Boy. And I'm telling you, Patty Andrews, just a superstar. No irony. No, nothing. They weren't the McGuire. Sisters exactly as far as LA LA, but such talents and paddy Maguire does such a groovy presentation of boogie will bugle boy, and you can see it's their rock and roll. Then I mean, so funky and weird. And she she she manages do all the herky-jerky body motions while she's dancing, but it's connected to her like her face in a way. Whereas everybody else is concentrating so hard on the steps you can almost hear the years wearing and her faces off in wild fund tangential Ville, and but she never misses a step. She so grew him big fan. I know much about the Andrew sisters. But I wonder if any limit still probably not too too old at that point this film from. Nineteen forty one. Put out as I said, January thirty first scant ten months later, Pearl happens. So this whole films like sort of a, you know, Bowery boys meets the military. But at the ten months later, the film's obviously have to get a whole whole whole lot heavier. So that's my final duty there. And I'm looking forward to my weekend to TC 'em film festival. Come on on if you are in the area. And if anybody has said knows, I think any may be piggy denture. If anybody knows Peggy desert in Burbank, tell her to give me a call or how our friend our Clint Howard lives in Burbank, and he's live there whole life. So I'm actually going to text him everybody. Yeah. So I will see if if he might know where I'll watch yours weird. Life is read in variety Tamara Clinton how or restraining order by. For actress paid for more like the other way around calling me at St. hanso. He's brother call the police. He wanted to be Drake Tron yet. Oh, Christian you still on the chronic? You know? Everyone kids we all. What is what do they call twenty? There's a number four. Lizzy just rights you sick. Anti Christian light stick out of your hands raven. Today on the Andrews sisters, and yes, Patty. The most recent pass away was in two thousand thirteen Maxine in nineteen ninety five. But surprisingly Laverne she passed away in nineteen sixty seven at the age of fifty five. Yeah. Wow. Well, they were tremendous and the two others seem to know that the one was special in some way that you know, they had that same look on their face where you just sense the pips weren't coming forward. I it's it's it's zeppelin look. Yeah. I think there was a movie about background singers called eight feet behind her something from something about feet from stardom or something. Yeah. So yeah. I didn't have quite behind somebody. Right kristen's. Right. I I didn't have you know, I was nowhere in the ballpark saying eight feet behind where it's back there ball yard while you. Yes. Ever recall is always say we played softball once. Then whenever I do a joke. We'd got the lunch or something. I just go out. Hang with him Kosters like Costa's bulldozer. He's the coolest and I'd sit there. I'd tell joke. It would fall flat once on cost would look at ago warning track power. Eight. Oh, hurt her deeply. I gotta call him. I haven't seen. God. I can't believe the people. I don't see for a while. And it just. Hey, you know, I'm socially defect, but you hung out with gecko over the weekend. It's such a fun time with Michael I thought how I not talk to him. There's no, right or anything. It's just I always feel like I'm bugging people. And I know Coster I call making now pretend ical. Find out that his number has been changed. I told you that he told me that the the scene with Susan serandon member she says something like what do you like any ticks off? I like frozen lines of you know, all that that originally took was taking place in a. A black. Bravo. He told me. Wow. Okay. Where he was sitting at a piano, and you know, just unwinding on the road in the minor leagues and singing that to or saying that to a black pianists that sounded like such a groupie thing. I don't know what happened to it in the transition. But it was like a honky tonk sort of thing and he ended up saying it to her. But that movie to this day. I don't know is that the best sports movie. I mean, I wasn't natural the other night. It's there it's there. But yeah, it's hard to come up with another one. Like, you know, there's some that are maybe might be more fun to watch major league or bad. Yeah. Bears. But as far as an accurate what one would assume. Yeah. Would be an accurate depiction of life in the minors. I gotta say that the bull dorms there. And when you know it killed me in the naturally other night is the guy who ROY Hobbs replaces as Michael Madsen who turns up in a lot of things he said wargames and the turn the key sir at the opening sequence. He's the right fielder in natural. And it's funny. How would fail that is? Because I had forgotten that through the way Hobbs finally gets in is it gets in one day because they're trying to discipline Madsen because he's being too much of a, you know, high falutin so Hobbs he gets in belts the cover off the ball. And but they still put Madsen back in the next day because they feel. They've motivated him now. And indeed they have he's got two hits in the first seven innings somebody hits along flight or right field mats, and is now on his source chasing it because he knows Hobbes's sitting there ready to, you know, Lou Gehrig him and he runs right through the wall and kills himself. You know, it's funny thing for the, you know, the movie when I think back on the movie, I think of it as being a beautiful. Yeah. And elite. What is that word Chris elite elegy E L L E G AC allergy and quite beautiful. And quite you know, almost like field of dreams that sort of thing. And it has this funny cartoon moment where he runners or while he coach through the fence and the next day. The headline reads he's debt and they're celebrating on the field. And that's how Hobbs gets in and Randy Newman. What was he thinking without soundtrack? Oh my God. It's so starring isn't it. Yeah. Especially just for me compared and contrasted to I don't know all of his other work get out. Get out. Parody of LA big at the Laker games. They still play dodger games when they win. I think that was misconstrued the same way. Born in the USA was just right, exactly. And celebrating you either instance. But I have to say that I think the naturals up there with the well the Bernstein was. I think it was over there's two Bernstein's and one of them back to back roads. And think it is over Bernstein wrote yet is because Lenny's the guy who was big in New York society, and we're Bernstein back to back rights themed from Agnes int seven which is about as robust as gets. I radically ends up a cigarette commercial, but at some point about going for life and then to kill Mockingbird next. I mean, that's just crazy. But Randy Newman, certainly I've got that up there with the Lord's Arabia soundtrack, which is just stunning. A lot of the Hitchcock ones that are done by the guy we discussed the other day. I blamed on his name again. And he did to Herman Herman. Yeah. And Bernard Harman, and then oddly enough, there's a sleeper hit here and vite Michelle grand. I stations abra is beautiful a rousing opening number and mutiny on the bounty has a beautiful, and I think Michelle grant if you go back there's a groovy film called by shocked to me called a couple beautiful girls from well, there's the umbrellas of shor Borg with the nerve. And then there's another groovy when cushion you gotta look it up for me because it has Gene Kelly in it, George secures. I know the sun's unlikely young Catherine Deneuve of her sister, and it's called the pretty girls of and then at some other city in France jock. Demi D E M Y S. I'm telling you folks, this is a sleeper hit. There's a loose assemblage at the beginning that is very rim. Menace of like all that jazz when they pull those disparate threads together to Georgie Benson's riff at the beginning. Everybody's stretching you see them. Sweating stretching nervous getting ready for the audition. And then all of a sudden from nowhere. You just hear Benson kinda coming in sly on the bag of boom. Would it do boom, boom. And it kind of happens. There's an extrapolated version of that at the beginning of this shocked me film, where everything sort of pools together at the beginning of a location shoot in the small town in France for a movie company, and it is so groovy the way they enter town to it. And then unpack to it. And then get their start to get loose for the shoe. It's it's really stunning. What what does it? Call the young girls of Rocha fort Roach for. Yeah. Roche word couldn't give it a higher recommendation groovy cool film that is so reminiscent. I when you see it you'll know where the who the kid who did LA La Land because it's so much that Damon. Now, that's Damian Chazelle. I think as we can tell he was a big shock Demi fan because it's it's got a lot of that in. All right stresses a worldwide epidemic. Mike, we're working longer hours. What's your podcasting where inundated with the constant news cycle? We're more connected than ever before. And sometimes you wonder if the internet is allowed us thought come together as one in realized there might not have been a reason for us to come together as one stress as a part of life, but it can very easily affect our overall wellbeing the stress anxiety, many people can feel exhausted during the day. But then it's time to go to bed to wire to fall asleep. 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Get unlimited access to all of coms content today at com dot com slash Miller. Get calm and stop stressing. I'm just riffing here. We don't have a guest today, but we can take some Christian. I'd ask that we get any phone calls about whether they prefer guests or no guess we don't have any of those just yet. Wow. That's a big sign have. Well, have to hide it. That's we have a lot of voicemails. But we don't have any on that. So I think when you do we don't have we have that's being pro. We didn't get any ask you question. Nobody even dance or I don't know that people have have heard that. What does this game of thrones thing as good? I don't watch it. I don't have no idea tuned in twice as people fucking in the small of dragons back. What what what is it? You know, it's dragons and fucking. Yeah. Yeah. And and lots of insight like dragon movies. Sure. I don't mind, you know, fucking movie here and there, but. You know, that whole thing I'll rescue you from the big reptile. And then we'll use it as a to get off. Now fantasy say, hey, hey. We have a ton of voice mails about Jimmy Connors. I think that's what we were buried under few. Well, yeah, they tell you find a new species of human. If two is an asshole you did. That's one joke. I've written for I wanted to tidy up on. AOC's boyfriend. He is a web developer named Riley Roberts, and I see a photo of him. He's a ginger are. Ours. Read are are are you a oh. See what I do. I see what you did there. So give me some of these a Jimmy Connors interview with fantastic man, do that a lot. So that long-form here view what a treat to have you guys two point each other as friends what what monumental? Thank you experience. I'm just hoping those no gender reassignment surgery down the pipe for this guy. 'cause we lose them on our side. Just Connors Jimmy Connors. And this is your best show that I've something about Jimmy would have meant. She is if they do gender reassignment surgery on him. They're gonna add a second, dick. Gotta guest. He was awesome Fava's. Listen to you guys. Got it on pretty good Dennis. I've been listening to you for many years and really enjoy the podcast even the singing, but I wanted to call and just congratulate you on that Jimmy Connors interview. That was nice work, man. I mean, I know your friends and that had to make it much easier. But to hear him relaxed just talking to a friend talking about the tennis days, it's a very real thing. And it really gave a a good look into the minding at you know, peerless champion. So in some ways, I think it's the best in some ways the best work that you've ever done. Nice job, man. Kristen hold for second. Can you make a j peg or em fuck or whatever they called and send me one because I'd like to play that for Jimmy. That'll mean a lot now. I will definitely send you Jimmy's one of those guys. Always I told you once that I can't tell that start. Sorry. I would betray somebody. But sometimes these guys are in lockdown mode. You know, as far as they're not gonna give it up that they they really, you know, once you feel at fact that, you know, listen, Jimmy love the fact that he answered the call, you know, what I mean, it's just he's a he's a bit of a tough guy. But you know, when you talk to he told me, and this will blow your mind that Wimbledon's locker room was so small that there were times that he'd go out for match, and he'd be sitting back to back like shoulder blades shoulder blade with board talking because he and Bjorn or friends, and then the guy would come in and sit time, and they'd have to get up and walk. Can you can't? That's beijing. He said there were times in the early rounds when he'd be sitting there just look at the guy was talking to him. He would even talk to go say, I just look at. Then it's time is the, you know, the guy would just keep sitting there because he hadn't been on Wimbledon centre court yet, you're gonna go. How he wouldn't get into people's heads. I'm telling you, he's whatever out with. I think he's we might be the same height or maybe an inch shorter of it blows my mind used to watch him. And thank you know, he just had such a commanding presence. But I could just see him looking at a guy and kind of in his head to the point where the kid listening one. We have to go out now. Anyway, those voice most because I'm digging this. And if you wanna leave us voice mail, you can call familiar number eight six six five on nine seven two six eight. Yes, that's eight six six five nine rant or you can tweet at Christian DMZ or at Dennis DMZ and use the hashtag Dennis Miller option. I love approbation. Is appropriate. Zapper Bachchan mean praise. I think it's a preate Shomar. I realize how much fake edition is their work for faking. Fainting. Eddie, fainter, the king and his court the softball pitcher. And I'm refinering. Wow. Look at was this Theresa May believe so it just showed maybe getting their Schwere on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a good year for her common hot on the runway there. And by the way, I was watching hidden voice the other night, and they had a scarab beetle that I'm firmly convinced is Morgan Fairchild. You know, the show he can't quite tell who with something about the scare beat is manic. Mannerisms reminds me young Morgan Fairchild. That's thanks something. How this vote? As the good Jimmy Connor interview that needs to be a one thing bringing to them. And I wanna hear segment on John McEnroe how he back very used to go at it. I loved it. I grew up with guys, and he is one of my heroes as with McEnroe in your use out statements, so create it. I just got done listening to Dennis's talk with Jimmy Connors. And I was quite a tennis nut it when I was younger and has some great memories. But that was that was a great interview. This. I'll right. That's we gotta play those Jimmy he'll like them. I will say he won't like it. But I'd like to present you can let him decide how much he likes. We did a six mile or yesterday telling you we got to the top of this peak. That's as close as we come to going straight up. And I was I thought it was in good shape for the day. When I was a pretty fast pace even said some Mansfield today, we went up the hill. And I just I almost didn't make it to the top. And he's not even breathing. Heavy. I get up full-bore gasp lean over fuck. Jimmy. Don't you ever breathe heavies? I'm breathing. Heavy as you. My grandfather said never let the other guy see do it. So he he won't breathe through his mouth. He breezed through his nose because he didn't want. He said if you're playing somebody and my grandpa, he said, hey, calls him pops pops always said, if you they see you breathing through the mouth, it gives them a a little extra juice to go against you. Because they think your guests to he's if somebody's gas. They look across the net. And you're just standing there you have an open your mouth yet. It freaks them out. So that's that's his play going up this hill. Like, I said, I'm bent over them, Ron Jeremy and myself, and he's not even breathing having. So believable. What else is up in the world Christian? Let's get a lot of Terry. Is there any do have a phone call? Somebody hates me. I don't think we have any of those today. But always keep those there. Are there? Not do. I like them kind of in a way them for particularly needy moment where you need the praise, and I make sure that you get a little of that just to keep you in your place. But somehow was a turn off. I know fun Lindsey won't open her mouth to laugh when she bites little than lives. No, no. What what else is willing there are bigger headlines than but this one caught my eye? A Caroline Kennedy has referred to Nancy Pelosi as quote, the most important woman in American political history as Pelosi has been named recipient of the Kennedy libraries profile in courage award. Sure. But she's a woman. Saying. Quibble about. That's yeah. Sure. That's like valedictorian in summer school, right? Jerry Nadler has gone after Bill bar as a lawyer is. Imagine getting so thin that everybody realizes your fat head you fat. Fuck head. Jerry Nadler's the guy who won't pay Jimmy and goodfellas, where's the bad drug one my money. Fuck. Put a phone quarter. And. Good as Liotta when he starts laughing. Oh. Chris. The kills me as Liotta ever do. It of us. Probably because I know is is works so much. No. Would you bring up your favorite photo shoot of his youth? I am told that because I thought about where you live. You take taken the back end money on goodfellas and outfitted their housing complete southwest year for install magazine sitting at a table and over his shoulder. There's a huge Coyote pink with light blue and yellow spots on it. It's got its head tilt it back in its howling at the moon may really gone. The wife has gone so far to the south west the another Guevara would've asked for rewrite and Liotta has got gotta look on his face. Like, can you believe this decor? If you believe this is my yield on goodfellas, I'm living in a roadrunner cartoon. Funny. Look, it's the same. Look feel call and says on his face when an ranking singing against all odds or the Bernie top as space shatner's mass occurring rocket man Leo's at the table. He loves his wife. Obviously, I don't know if that ended up being his wife, I'm not sure won't be crafts or anything. But the look on his face is Christ be anymore, married. Bad the courses choice. What else is? Well, let me finish the thought on Jerry Nadler, he has characterize Bill bar a biased agent of the president. And he vows to go to court to get the full mother report. And you know, now, there's not the only one saying this. So that's why a bar speak. Finally, then he seemed cool. Have you seen him seems like, you know, an attorney general type I mean for for remember thinking that the listen be careful what you wish for because I think Barr yesterday at least said that he believes that Trump was spied on. And he might start looking into the other thing. I heard an interesting theory today on Limbaugh, I don't know the he bought it. I don't know that I bought it too. But what happens? If Muller is a straight shooter and their stuff in that report that does not make put Hillary in a good light. Yeah. Because I really can't believe and I forget how it's been pooh-poohed. You always notice things that seem obvious. Eventually, they get you called in not right? That's the left kinda edges it back to the point where edges it back. They work thing. You know, how you do a chart where your finger goes down one column and over one column sure they do that thing with the edging back. What you're talking about versus time horizon out and eventually they reach across. Series of boxes that were they're able to call you and not a paranoid. Not. And they did that with the thirty three thousand emails, I really can't believe that didn't turn into just a big thing. And I forget what the reason is. Now, they say they're all yoga they've been where if you just say thirty why were thirty three thousand emails around a Kate. And the look at you not want their insistent, not one of them had anything to do with anything. And I just think man, I do believe this was like, obviously, it's fall short. But Trump still in. I think it might work against anybody else. I would have hoped they wouldn't have played card against a guy like mitt or Jeb. They probably wouldn't felt they had to because they were going to get in there and bend over backwards be one of the guys, but with Trump, I guess they really have to push all the chips in. But it just seems like as close to what was it called in seven days in may Comecon. I think there was probably some telegrams going back and forth about who they were picking in the in the Belmont because they're the Preakness because this really seems like it had some juice from the FBI and the OJ, and you know, when you see Strachan page going back and forth about plan. B I guess this was planned to completely besmirched guy, and I guess at some point to get him impeached, and then they got to the point where they realized that they weren't going to have it. Now they're backing off impeachment. But I really would like bar just to go back and who who green lit it. And did it have anything to do with trying to say, hey over here to get people to stop looking about? Why when somebody had subpoenaed thirty three or all the emails thirty three thousand of them were just white outed. It's it's crazy. Thank can't imagine. You know, they always say flip at the other way. I agree with most of them. But I think this is a fool's errand. This is what they want us to do. They flip it the other way. And you know, they're master Tory about that the you're right. You're right in their heads not lie. You're right. But it didn't because we didn't because we've got Chuck Todd in their partners hair, which may five times during an aunt, you know, covering for us. But so they're they're to our guys megabyte for me to give it up completely. But now, I would like if bars amenable, I would like to find out what happened those thirty three thousand emails because I know if it had been done by anybody Trump, they'd have Trump in calories Rocketship setting them back the mid explosion krypton. Cal. My boy got like you do the show just for me jump up here. Jump the sardine. Has this day? Not gonna go into town that I keep tabs on the time. Yeah. Well, we have enough time. If if well, let's do one more you got a question or voice Moore, something we're up gotta get down. And do the TC. I'm festival. I don't wanna keep you from the TC 'em firing rapid here on bass. Here's a t shirts exciting 'cause he's a genius booze ripped. Every he's late to because car won't start. Oh, by the way in Warren in worlds, collide. It is so fun Christian. You know, it's nineteen fifty one film, and the it's one of the film's doing at the the dashboard on the spaceship makes a freezes, you know, like Prius looks like a time machine compared to how simple it is. And there's always that great moments science fiction films where keeping the ship's equilibrium is predicated literally on strength on the pilots part. Pulling the talk. Yes today. Like when the fat guy goes down to the Titanic. He's just thumbing it and breathing up against the tuggle and taking you know, he cracks his knuckles a gun. Take little Scott camera inside the bows of the ship right now. And all ends to do is touch. It a little back then when you worked at toggle you had to pull in the record like your Vasa Alexia or something powerlifting to get a going and then right behind him on the wall. John d'or the plays the pilot who looks sorta leg Richard Denning, Danny Kaye. He's pulling on at the. The ship of. Going down to the snow Planas like landing an aspirin and over his shoulder. You see the precaution. Casey doesn't pull it up. They got a regular fire extinguisher on peg board on the wall. It's the spaceship that saved the planet. I love it's beautiful. It's like Leno stall stopped on plan. Nine from outer space is seeing the earth calendar. March is a knowing not on Britain. All right. I got arrack. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to the Dennis Miller option exclusively on Westwood One. 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Yannick Noah Interview

The Tennis Podcast

1:23:39 hr | 11 months ago

Yannick Noah Interview

"HATO! This is Yannick. Noah remember. You're listening to the tennis spot casts. So. We've had a week off and. Has Gone to get his haircuts. Catherine's been hanging out with Magnus. The dog I've been stressing about my football team west from job in as they try to throw promotion away. That may or may not mean something to you, and we will be back with tennis podcasts over the coming weeks and months altogether chat in as we normally do, but today we have a very very special interview with the French Open champion of nineteen eighty-three, the world's number three as his highest ranking, but that really doesn't tell the story of Yannick who is unquestionably the coolest man I have ever met Davis Cup winning captain. Three Times Fed Cup winning captain as well and had a hugely successful music career. Once his tennis stays had come to an end I had the chance to meet him just over twenty years ago when he joined the champions tour. Tour retired players who just traveled to will played matches against one another him and John McEnroe and beyond bog, and all these greats of the game, and just got to know him a little bit at that time. He was always suggest to me. I haven't seen him for about ten years, but I managed to get in contact with him through a couple of other people when we were researching and trying to set up interviews full at tennis, relived series, particularly the French Open, so that we could tell that story, and you'll have heard an excerpt perhaps of this interview when we covered his run to that nineteen, eighty three French Open title, but the entire interview. It's just joy, and it will improve your mood, and if you do enjoy the into you tell your friends family, let your social media, and what's that group's now about it because it will just leave them happier than when they started listening to. It has Yannick Noah. I'd like to go right back to the beginning of your of your career, and even before your career and the reason for your career and. I believe a meeting with Arthur Ashe. Yep Absolutely. Our used to leave the group in Cameroon, Africa and We were I was playing detail club tennis was. Not, very, big in Cameroon in the whole country, back nine court, so to play tennis was very privilege radio privilege so. so we used to go to the club at night, but at that time my parents couldn't afford a racket in one day. When I heard that? Some Americans were coming to the club saw. Americans you know so. So Marty Riessen Charlie Pasarell, Tom, ochre, and Arthur Ashe where doing tour in Africa. And they happen to play one day my club. During the clinic they decide. They played with the kids. And I played with Sir and Liked what he saw. I was slim press. You know he was my heroes. At the end of the clinic gave me a racket is racket. Head competition that worth like. Probably Probably what my parents would making every month. and it was you know it was like a dream for me to meeting. Dr Racket Sonya poster. Saying To Yannick I hope I'll see one that. So that was very funny. But the next thing that happened is after this story went to the French Open and he talked to shut. It was the president of the Federation. I told him that he was a little kid was playing. Or was in French. Speaking. Country and And I I. The scholarship came to friends because of author I played in niece for few years. And? The first time I played in Wimbledon That was nine years after we met was in Wimbledon because as for wild card. That was accepted and we play doubles on center court. So that was a beautiful story, so yes, the so mean Africa. And he was a big part of my story. Because and after that you know. For some reason, he was always like you know. Not Too far helping me when I was younger growing up, and then you know played with him at Wimbledon, the first tournament. Back in the days. It was called Super Seris. I was playing Richmond Virginia where he was born. And that was the first tournament I one. Super Series and As I was you know going through the tournament semifinal quarterfinals? Semifinals Playing Roscoe Tanner and these gentlemen comes into locker room sold demand. It comes. It goes Yanic if you win. Arthur is coming tomorrow SEO really worrisome. Is Dad. So that was that was something I beat Roscoe and An author flew to Richmond I played Yvonne in the finals. Won The won. It and Arthur gave me the cup in his hometown, so that was really special. So yeah, we have a very connected. Yeah couldn't extent and did he keep in touch throughout your career? Did you see him around? There was a long period of you being a player and and many many years before he passed. It was he? Was You know he was here? Always here for me for advice, you know I went through a phase. You know when I was like eighteen nineteen and I felt like. I wanted to be by my own self. You know so. It was like you know you WanNa, be away from your father for who? This Seo I'm I'm Yani camera author and. It went on for a couple of years and then. But he was always there like he. Invited me played my first Orange Bowl in Miami. Miami Beach I was fourteen invited me. played Wimbledon with within. You know we play doubles at US Open together. We play doubles set. We will done. and he was always there for me was inspiring, obviously twice a mentor of status. And do you know today? I'm like? Oh. I was really impressed by what the work that the social work that he was doing. Decide the the you know one of the greats. Y- was always active so. The social worker working. And and most of all he was yet is these foundation was like helping kids in inner city to play tennis? And that was really inspiring, so one day I went to the. To the Bronx? New, York, and I saw what he was doing and I say all. I dream of doing that and Amid Foundation now score meal in France and we working all over France in eighty CDs. and. That was inspired by him. I just wanted to. Be Useful. You know besides playing. Winning losing, money. Whatever it was, it gave me. A different dimension it was something that makes sense, and and that's shows because of. Inspiration he says is advice. What was he like Yannick? What was he like as a person? Well, he was very was very quiet. Actually, it was very quite yet. Very. Little. Little sense of humor, but it was very was more introverted. And compared to be and I always remember like one day when we played with the first match replayed, was in on the court, and of course the press talked about this story. The fact that you know years before that he he saw me as a child. In Cameroon's. The central was packed and we playing in them. I remember we playing Bernie. Meet and Andy Pattison. From Rhodesia and South Africa, which led to the symbolic was really strong. and we playing them and I- posters of them in my bedroom full of them. So before we getting to the court, you know you have the always morning while you like staying in this room before everybody get. Installed good knowing the VIP's everything and I I read about an as we are about to go to court like saw nervous, my knees trembling. So we sitting in front of each other. and asked Arthur excuse me. Author Leash was terrible and I quit accusing yeah. It's possible, not Before in front of the other guys echoes why I I'm I'm too nervous too now to pay. And he starts laughing and the other guy. And he's the first. Time! TELLING THEM I don't want to play. It was like I was making a dream. I was like I. Didn't know what was going on. I couldn't put my. My mind together and and he says No. It's GonNa. Be Ok son so I actually don't remember anything about the first set. I was like on automatic pilot. I don't remember anything. And we ended up winning up I. Don't know if it was not eight. Six Year was eight eight six in the fifth. And as we win the match point, I jumped into his arm. I was so happy was like you know I could. I could go back to Cameroon buying it was that was that was like a whole food circle was so happy. I was in a dream winning without thirty center court and jumping to his arm, and before we go checking, says Yanni. It's only the first round. and. No he was, he was like A. It was like a big brother from you know it was like an uncle from. And you know now call is done so much so for me to have him. I used to go around. You know playing tournaments and people. Still this is authorized. Protege and Arthur was so pro so respected that I actually. Got Is respect. When I was starting, because people knew I was spotted especially when I was playing in the states. So and then you know again, you know advice you know about my career, but what to have mccrea's I wanted to do. He says you know. What are you worried about me because it was like? A party, Guy, you know even though I was a dream, my thing. was always worried about. And he says what are you going? What you WANNA do. Are you going to coach, said No. Noah I wanted to music. And I knew it was going to tell me that. Oh, please don't do that. and He. He. says. He said you know. The most important thing to do after you courage just make sure you do something that you like. And I've done music since and it's You know there was always good advice me. Yeah, that's that is very good advice, isn't it? You had been a professional for quite a few years. By the time you arrived. Run Garcia. Nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty three. What happened in Nineteen eighty-three that obviously we know you want, but. About that journey, because like I say you'd had you'd had some good results, but you hadn't had a result like that so. Well! In eighty two I think I made it to the quarterfinals. I felt that I was not quite there, but you know not too far. and. Make dream my ultimate dream. You know as a child growing up in Paris in France. I actually stayed one year as a tiny student in Oregon, gals dreaming on the sent anti-central quarterback, just playing that one day. You know I. I spent no by the beginning of the the late seventies at most to Peres so I was from Paris, my my family was leaving. Paris my friends were in Paris but my. Ultimate goal was to. Just win this. And this. You're eighty three. WE STARTED IN IN A. Inner. In March with my coach. chatmoss it now from now on. We're GONNA do everything we can just thinking about goal winning this. So, we have three months. So we started out. Practicing a lot I went I was playing great tennis. I was we went to to Monte-carlo. Play to win the first round second run third round I'm playing Manono Orontes. Manilow Dan was like thirty six. You Know I. It was for me an easy game to win. So I'm at the hotel eleven o'clock, and of course my friends are calling the. Doing when order to colleagues party time. Some like Oh! Whatever game tomorrow at Twelve. Thirty no oil, it's OK. Wake up at age discomforted. You just So I so cal come for wondering. It's okay so I ended up staying late. Way Too late. And I. Still it's okay. You know I'll seek to Nino tomorrow night. I'll be ready her semi final in. So I play my normal win. I said that believed. And then lose because I, got tired, and he was very very embarrassing. So Patrick came to me, but residual coach came to. Okay. You really screwed up. I? Don't want to be your coach. You know I I'd rather stay you friends, but I cannot work like that. We've been working already three full weeks and you know you are that you went out. Last night, so it's not I cannot work with this. I sit at sit twin. I'm really embarrassed I. Swear from now, let's go. Let's do it, you know. I'm embarrassed. And you weren't okay so I just I just finished the game like our before. So. We went right away. Okay, Kissel put take your going to go practice for another three hours, so we went practice right away. And then from then on I went work as I never did in my life. and. And the he we come you know I I went to play Madrid I one Madrid. I up the Lisbon to match in the finals. I was at six, four, five, four and it in the finals in Lisbon that went to play Madrid I win Madrid I will agree to play Hamburg at. Win Hamburg. Beating took good clip coach players. Then it was the mets and closely units. And then I'd week of off and then came the French and I. I played I played I was ready. You should were. You you had a match. Believe against even lendl. That fortnight's yes, what do you remember about? where I I always liked to play event, because even he was even was a better player, but I like to play him. Because we were both, we grew up as juniors together. It was always. One, two was one. He was too, but he was always Yvonne any Yanic. Since we've been lagging fourteen years all, so he was always like this competition between us, competition of style of of. Everything. Red X so different that with you know some respects. I was really you was pushing me up. And when I was playing him, I was always because I lacked his game equities game, so I was always being well against him for some reason, even though he won. One became one of the best the greats I never got to his level, but when I was playing him, I was always like playing great matches always ready. I was ready. I played him I was playing a quarter finals. I was very excited by the game, so I was. In the first set. Six, I was the first two sets quite easily. I'm up five three believing third. And And then he serves, and he's like he was like you know. You was like so upset he was. Acting like he was. Giving up and tanking. So, match point fifteen forty serve each service second service come to the net was never come to the never serve and volley, come to the net like walking, so I just pushed it back thinking. He's GonNa just. Give it back to me, and you just make a little in a nice little volley. You know thirty forty match second matchpoint third second second matchpoint. Game. I return better return, but he makes decent volley winner. Okay! I okay find. At that point. The energy like changed. The whole stadium started to like. I could feel the tension. I can feel the nervousness at an and I just. I just went into a black hole I couldn't think I just realized. I too much points ten. Two minutes ago. Back to five four I serve I. don't even remember what I did five or the next thing I know. It's two sets to one and I was I was I was completely in black tunnel. I didn't know where I was I couldn't think. Totally disturbed. And serving first game of the of the fourth. I'm serving love fifteen love thirty forty. The, you know I'm playing homes, so the people are just. What's going on I could feel it is like it was terrible feeling. And for some reason I don't know how I won the game. And from then on, I just came out of my tunnel. And I ended up winning this set six dollars for some reason, so he was like I almost eyesore death from so close. That you know it was like okay you. You died Yanic you another chains to come back so I so kidnappers chains I. Don't let it go. So I won the set and I ended up winning the game. And the match and I think that she every player. WHO's ever WANNA grand? Slam has had a moment like that. At least once in a tournament where it could have gone, the other way and things might have gone badly and yet you beat. Lendl and you were supposed to play. If the rankings were believe Jimmy Connors who you who you always struggled against, and yet he he wasn't there. Yeah it wasn't there. I was. Always had trouble which me because she had way of playing and he's. He was hitting the balls. He was not giving this top speed and you could hit the ball. Over you, you hips and on your. Above you heaps and the shoulders, high balls was always always like these low balls lobos, Heavy every he heats was always like always closer, and that's what you read out to to play earned her the bail to always always always and I like that. And he plays that stuff when she s lying and stuff for Shit I slept late the match his life, and and beat him, and that was like. The best surprise. So really not to play Cheney. And because I had I had the Kristoff I know Christoph. We grew up together and does him and I I was I had these games so? He was so funny because my problem then was okay, we still have a semi final to play. You have a couple. You have a couple of know one or two days to. Prepare for the semi finals. So. Don't think about the final. Just think about that was like. The main thing really focused on I was swift, cited I so coming in the finals I mean. Before playing and Battista, helped me then. And I played a really serious game. Really I didn't miss many I didn't Miss Anything. I was in such good shape. You know I just had one last set into hold tournaments so and I I really. Destroyed him, you know it was. It was actually put. It was terrible, because at some point I was actually hoping that you would play better because I was playing great, and he was not playing well at all, you was feeling. Overwhelmed by the the wind that he had against t me and I seem on TV all day long. Giving interviews Hiatchi me before the game he meets Minnesota. I remember once I was practicing and he was, he came to practice the day before the game. Are Semifinal. You came to at the Racing Club in Paris. And he came in. He had like probably like three cameras accrues around him like falling on the courts Fussy. Oh Jesus! How can we focus? That can concentrate, and he was mentally was totally drained totally mentally tired for my far against played a terrible game I played a great game and not beating variously. Six three six love six love and. I just wonder though Yanic. You have dreamed about this moment. You're going into the final. So many players. Have tried and failed since and. I wonder how you felt the day the night before you stepped out there against lender. While I was we don't we wear? I was staying in my Country House with my dad. You know we didn't want to. You know to have anybody else. In the House I was staying with died for the whole tournament, so it would be quiet. And and. We went back to the home. We had an early dinner and you know I was really relaxed. I was looking for for the game had played A. Couple of weeks before three weeks before in Hamburg and I and I became so I was very confident. I used to love to claim at and and I went to sleep and And for the first time it was the last time I dreamt about the whole match I. Dreamt the whole match. I said Dilu- second-set win third set win. Four set loose V set starts. And I lose the game. and. I'm like totally destroyed. I. Remember crying. I remember it was like so clearly. This is dream and And you know I hear a sound. And it's my dad, you know and. Cheese and I was in bed. I just lost the game. I felt like I was Monday was the game. And what's happening? Did you sleep well and I slept for eight. Eight straight hours. And, he goes you ready. And I'm like as love. The my body just feels like I. Just lost you dead norm flat dead. and. He goes you ready. You slept well and then an angry. Is that actually? I didn't play the game. The the dream was so real. So ice. Back Wow a second chance. Of these, I'm not gonNA, make the same mistakes. That's ID, Lakers. And I was so fired up, it was like having. You after that was working when I became a coach that was working exhbition, images. Yoga. and. It was like a natural feature, and super intense. Trip and I came on the court. Everything that happened during the match was kind of a day Jiji. was. That kind also new. So we went walnut that I knew that was the game of my life. You know it was. A Beautiful Day. I. I all. My family was their own of my family. All my friends everybody all the people that. Helped me during the game author was there commencing for the tea. Every e- missy one percent. Everybody was with the energy was like so perfect, perfect day I, was really hoping for a beautiful day, because as I was like the attacking. Player against the match. You know it's always better like you know. Warm conditions about bulls of forced faster the faster. And I knew it was the game of life, and as we wear like behind the curtain before coming up to the court. I remember praying and a never prayed in my life I never prayed I prayed. And And then after the prayer, I remember the feeling that I had is like was like. Not. Rather die that coming out of this court without the. It was the feeling that I was. Totally into the game, heart and soul for this came. It never happened to me after I played. I won some matches Never WanNa grandson won some tournaments, but never did have this thing was like. Oh, it was. It was like a spiritual thing I was. I was it was hundred percent. Meet Yanni tennis player. For these match I was ready to give everything including dying in I was really to die for this. And Happened? showed. Two seven, five, seven six. I've watched some of the match back before before. We started speaking and a couple of things that really struck me. One is your approach to the match, the the relentlessness of your charging to the net now and I know you did a lot of. A lot of time. You were the net in your career, but. Was this unusually. Aggressive. Yes. Well, you know Matt's was giving me the opportunity. After the game I talked too much much like my friend and we talked about this, you know. It will always laughing because when it comes to to Paris, even though he wants three times the French Open one seven grandson. We, we we used to do some exhibitions of charity matches and every time we. Introduced him the finalist of. The filing of goes eight. Was So. Anyway so we talked should after this game. You realize that you know you had. To change his game, and he came more aggressive, and this is when he became another player, he was more aggressive behind his first serve could even e- could come to the net. E could attack you. Was You was just you know not the player that was. When in eighty, one, eighty, two, eighty, three before the game, and but then when I play, it was basically staying in the back and trying to pass you daring us to come to the night. I'm just trying to pass you. And that was just perfect because you was, you was exactly the kind of game that I really liked and for me. Attacking was the only way I liked it. I love the tacking love. Being the net was my territory I loved. You on matchpoints are remember the matchpoint and the way finished it, and then you you immediately turn. And same to look feel that in the crowd, and he he, he's there. Just just talk us through that moment. Well you know when when you play, and when I when I, especially when you play at home because we have this next. This privilege as French. To play at home, you know we playing at home. When you play when I played on this court and I played for ten years. I knew exactly. Who is where? You know I know I know ways. My family, of course I know where all my friends. I don't varies these beautiful chicks that I saw the other day I know I take all the good energies. I know where everybody is. Of course you know my parents were. And you, know then you know I. You know I I, know I. Know I used to is my by my players Rhinos captain. Why did you to win and say well? You know the first time that will we want to win because we want to win the Scopus yet. But. Why do you want to indicate escape and sometimes you have an answer? I told them, and this is why we play for. The people sacrificed so much us. We play for them. When we win, we win for them. This is this is. The way we can give back. This is their reward. We win. We Win for them. We Win for the people we love. We Win for our fans. We but most of all the people be like separate. I sacrifice my childhood. Being with my parents just to be there at this moment. And but that was like my subconscious. I didn't like I couldn't put words into it. And so I win the match, point and I couldn't think I barely shook mets. And I forgot to shake. Doc Nines Referees had and I just saw my jumping. From the stands. And I lost the just start crying and he said as I was saying we were. We want that we want we want. We want and crying and you know he said I. Love You I. She's first time ever. My Dad told me loves me. I knew he did, but he never told me you know we had to go that far. And that this moment. Changed my life. It's just changed my whole life because. Not that was just the last the last French. Player wonder French, open. It was just that. The motion was so strong ensue pure. I think the last French. That won the French Open before thirty seven years ago. People were so happy. That gave rebounding the where crying. People were crying in front of the TV. And you know I it was like the best motion possible. How many times you cry of happiness in the arms of your father. You know if you're lucky to it once. You know you're GONNA. Let man or look up. You know you never cry of happiness, you cry, you cry of sadness of milk or your you know. Some companies can have some teas, but like cry cry. Father. In front of millions of people so since then you know. I I went into. All these French people's heart, you know. And, that's the best way to go and. Get into people's, you know. Heart, you know through the best was the best door. and. And to that day, people always talk to me about always always always. Every time every day if I walk. Find somewhere. Someone's GonNa. Tell the I remember where I was. It was such a beautiful day. We were with a family. We chopped up and down in front of the TV. We started crying. We hugged each other it was it was really really the most emotional think I've lived and and I did it in front of millions and the best part. Because sometime you can say I remember when the cried of happiness. In the of my parents, you know, but the good part is at a heavy. Don't tape. On tape and I can show my I can show my children I can short. and. He's funny, because one the first time joking. Won The NCAA tournament with the gators. As a basketball player you want. And he was like the and the first thing he did was to walk up the stands and came to hug us. All. Is Mother was like it was the best day was. It was like the best? For my child to do it, too, was like just amazing. So this is history teaches like he was like a moment that we know. Obviously I will never forget. It was that you know people always remember if I sometimes forget of course I'm not here thinking about all the time, but. People. Remind me of these time always with a good smile. And That's it. That was my French Open if I'd won Wimbledon, which I've never came close to, but maybe us or the Australian Open. You would've been the same. Out All not all I want at home, and after that you know I, didn't. All. I couldn't. I was not motivated to to to to have another one I never got this fire. Working hard but I never had this extra fire that was almost. Almost spiritual. You know it was a question of. Dying never had this after that. Because I achieved it I should everything warranted. if I had one maybe before the Australian Open. The US Open maybe I would have. Tried to for one because my goal was to win the French, open. And you went beyond. You know because my dad coming everybody whole. Energy was super perfect. You couldn't be better. It was a dream. Story. You've described how how afterwards getting that level of motivation you? You didn't find it as as a player at least I, I just WanNa. You mentioned Wimbledon when when people see you serve and volley in your athleticism. You had a big serve. Why did you not play better at Wimbledon? Because because to win Wimbledon, you have to return, and the return of serve was my. My weakness. I was way too high on my. Gamal my my step. My step in I was always I was I was always I? was talking to your by Jimmy. Connors, I was very always very uncomfortable with nobles. And as you know back in the days, it's not right now. Whether grass was cut. From the net to baseline meaning the the rebound was like. Lor. that. It is now where they cut the grass the loan from the back. To the. To the grass grows the other ways. Basically, the the ball bounce higher. So this is why now you have guys staying winning. Wimbledon, staying in the back, we, it couldn't happen before it. was impossible except for bjorn was like. From another planet, but I I I couldn't return. Serve and I grew up on clay. Always like to come to the net with approaches, but I didn't have a weapon in terms of groundstrokes that could like make. ME. Break and I never had break points never saw. You. So into joke that people when I started to grow. dreadlocks people say. It doesn't like the grassy. Prefer to smoke it. But I was funny. No I didn't I couldn't I couldn't grasp because my My my my my foot knife footwork was not adapted to the grass. I was always sliding. Falling. SPECI- as you know the first week, under the grass is like softer and you sleep. And I never went third round. You were in part of incredible era of tennis players. We've mentioned Jimmy Connors. We've mentioned even Lindell. You mentioned. Just then and John McEnroe. The these are plays. They're all so different as players and people, aren't they? And and you part of that? What? What was it like being amongst that group? Well, it was A. You know when I was playing I used to like win. Matches I remember one day I was planning Philadelphia in the semi finals and playing Kevin Current. I'm better ranked that him, but I always respected to players always thought these guys are better than me. I was always impressed by all of them. And A B team. I START I've teased my eyes. And and my question. What's wrong? It's. Kevin Curren. I said but you better that can current. He's a great player, but you you better than him. And ours always that saying that I never took anything for granted, always felt coming from Cameroon. My I I made my racket my first racket from the first two years. My parents could afford a racket. I made my own racket, the piece of wood and for two years at played with this a have a racket I didn't. I didn't have with my friends we didn't have. Any balls at one ball I played with so much that have anymore for on it. It was just rubber and had my I put a name on it. You know what I put a name or the name on my bowl, and nobody could take it was. A ash was my ball. Nobody could steal it. So when I played and during my, you know I was like always like so much sometimes too much respect in terms of like you know. Either leising these people beyond GMO easily, I'd Riano. Jimmy John Hours like Wow Yvonne. I'm with these guys. I'm with these guys I couldn't believe it. Most of them. I mean the people I just told you better than me, but I was competing with these guys fetus guarantees. The beauty of it is like you know. We had as I, look. Back in we had like. This styles. He was the beginning of Topspin. So you had guys playing flat tennis? I would say like tennis of the seventies eighties with one group, and you started to have the top seven people show at the end of the tennis, so you have different styles before that in the seventies, all the players tennis was like all dressed in white with a clean cut hairstyle you know. All of a sudden. You have like guys. Steve Guys, clean cut. Some guys long hair yet he pees. You have guys playing with headbands. You have people. Name with Collared Shirt tennis people started to really. Denny's became popular. Could wear. You can wear. Jam was. My shirt or Janis shirt. On a pair of jeans and go to the discotheque. That was hip because you were that, was it? You know and They was they were you? Not You know I remember like when Bjorn wonder if the the French and he went to Wimbledon was like seventeen, e e e e couldn't go to the outside court. Not because it was too crowded of course was crowded. You know but ten times more crowded, but it was just girls. Just Gill screaming was like the first. Rock Star of tennis and I think. The best ever at that level he was the best e was the one who brought. You know. Will Be. May tennis popular and of course you know you always have to have was that? He's called guy and yet. Johnny was a fire. illy was the the the comedian greatest talent. You know that old school. You had your Mo-. You know port. You know. He's like going out with the Princess of Monaco. You I've a Jimmy was like going with Miss World. ENOR- and I'm not. This is cool, maybe I can you know if I play well? Maybe I can see. You may get some beautiful Gills in Oh. I see I remember. To use to US Open and he was like the first year that Flushing Meadows and we use. It was easier to take the train and I'm I'm like. We have the GMO and everything yet, so taking the training. I'm playing A. An evening station on the grain stand. And I remember the Gerulaitis was playing on the stadium nights stations so i. I arrive at four o'clock UNICYCLE from the train station too clever, and and before you could park like almost in in front of the other of the acidity of the stadium. And that we walking through the park and I see, she says arriving with. A Yellow Convertible Royce. Three girls. Coming out of the car. Three Pudi full gills in already dressed to play, you know. With these bag I remember, you had a gene yet. The Gina Jacket on top of Stacchini. Hot Feet and other Sheriff Star. You know e was the rock and roll of tense e was unbelievable and I see. This is what I would love to come close to. and. Yes and people you know we were close to. Keep the the the the. They made a really bad bad. Rule, which is this code of conduct where you you know you get a? You get a warning when you hit. You know I'm not you know you said F word you get you get another. Penalty and you can be disqualified. They killed the game with that. They killed it because now the it's not that the players of today they don't have personality. They have unbelievable personalities better not allowed to explain to express it, and now you have generation of players were learned a game with this code of conduct. Therefore you don't. You can see a game. And Fuller pay. You don't even know his voice. You know and and I think I know that people what they lack of course. It's like the different star that used to talk to you. I just talked to your balance. You know the top spins attacking guys defense guy. Was You know Collard collar shirts collared. Different rackets or the long hair you know, but then you know you. People knew US then S. they knew when they were rooting for one. They you know people you know John John. People loved to see John Because. They knew it was going to be trauma. Drama was great. You know and then you would have another one. You know how how we going to react to this drama. People came to see this. As a few people are remember John. Mac, you know because of his touch. Of course I re I remember. Best they're ever you know, but people say I remember. John Wow you know. One day br broke his racket. threw. The ball into the stands one day screen for ten people remember, and was part of the story was pummeled of the FEM-. It was a scenario. You didn't know what you are going to see when you had. US playing she does he do you don't know which as you're going to have you know the remember the story of Vitas playing Bjorn, they were best friends and Nj tests with always three four, five and bog was one one one and bog had him, but they were best friends. So one day they played bog wins once twice three times fifteen times sixteen times, and they played at the at the I'd matters New, York. And and they played I. Don't remember it was a semi final fifty eight was a semi final. And feed us one. Win The game, so there's an interview on the court. And and the speaker says feed as you say. Hey, there's something that after say, nobody in the history of Tennis Nobody Beats Vitas Gerulaitis more than sixteen times in a row. fillers Vitas bar just. slashing. And yes, so yes I think we played in a time where tennis was popular because it was like Jahn the game he was beyond the game. I have so much respect for the generation today. Play some unbelievable tennis, but they don't have these. Luxury to really express themselves with people. Don't see it. People don't see I, don't they? Don't feel it. People don't know them. Really you know not dial. You. Know is a strong player united. She's one of the best. Ever. But you don't know him. You don't read or read on, know him. Within. The code of Conduct Yelich wins. Therefore when you were down the other end of the court from John. When when he would lose. What was it like I? Mean we were you able to rationalize that viewpoint then and think what actually this is good for the game. He can do it. That's fine or Or was it. Was it tough? No it was. It was part of the big of the Game John Always. Beat me always. He had me because me. The energy that I loved was like a happy energy. Excitement. A showtime kind of energy you know. And and John. Liked the drama elected you coming with John on the court? Okay, we like same size. We starting to play. I'm doing a couple of jokes trying to pass as me I dive. I make a good show and I'm taking the energy and taking the I'm taking all the energy. I remember playing him once in Dallas that used to have the W. C. T. in Dallas Tournament of champions I'm playing him. We both from New York, so we add spend some time together. At my place that he plays, you know. So! We friends, so we go to play and okay. We get on the CO together and I'm starting for the first time I'm playing well the energy good people are rooting for me I was always Democrat crowd favorite some taking all the energy of the stadium. A much bigger than him now. At that tiny for no reason he created like problem. He twenty, nine thousand to scream. Then the Energy Tori change my film. You know my script scenario that I wrote was comedy phone. Happy feeling it was people enjoyed, and all of a sudden like brings like trauma. And as I I is, it goes I see my my energy going down down. We didn't even play yet again. And this is what happened anyone. And at one point, we have an argument on the court. He comes to the net and I'm like. Me At the time, I'm talking to my friend. I said John Come Man, and you know what he said Fuck you. For Real and like I, was like I I was I was hurt. So, that any got me then you got me, so you know we're playing in Dallas where the mavericks playing, so we have these big locker rooms. You know where you have one. You know. We all stay in these big locker rooms. Tournament of Champions, eight players, so we like taking the shower and we ended showers with together naked. We together naked I know in the shower stays like five minutes. He's going Takao Rochon I'm going to showers so these nobody just us in the shower naked. And as communist turned his back show Muzak. Like you know, I'm not talking to some John. John I mean that means enough I lost I. Reach out to John so that means like what we're not friends anymore. And he goes I'm sorry man is part of the game, so I'm sorry man and he got me and you know I if I understood. At that moment you know the which John Never had a problem when he was winning, it was always when he was very close or when he was losing and when he started to do this. Wherever you wear in the other side of the net, you didn't even exist. And this is when he was getting energy. So that was that was, his game was the mind game he was playing I realized late. You know when. I started to work on late in my career and when I was coaching, so the part of the mind game things that you thought about getting four forehands, a back ends. I used to play beyond one day. I'm playing in stow calm. And you know it's very. I don't think it happens that you remember the best rally a your life. The best rally, so we're playing Stockholm I think in the semifinals. And at one point, we have a rally that you know from the. From the back. Left right left right left. Right left right at one point I'm like tired. I'm getting tired during the rally in our because he's been coal most a minute hitting so of course I okay I'm going for the last shot. I'm trying to hear okay. I need a win or not, because I can't breathe so I hit it. Come to the net. Eh passes me I dive. Comes allows me, I run I. Don't have anymore guess. I run I hit. A shot is back. We going on a rally? I know he's. Finally come to the net you know and I in a great approach. You passes me. The whole stadium stands up screening. Screaming I look at him. And I've like I feel proud him. United Smile, you know. Look at me. He doesn't even. Doesn't. He barely looks at me. Go back and take the next book from the WAL boy. This point counted for one set. It got me. Got Me because I wanted to connect with him. You know just have a little break. Connect you. Let me. And I was gone ice cold note, but bork now is like one of my best friends you know. We talk all the time you know. We see each other. We spend vacation together like the best and then. No that was his thing. Back End forehands strong, Best Best Physical Athletics Athlete. I've seen on the court ever. Remember. He won these thing that call the superstars you remember. It was his thing with all different athletes from. Different disciplines, and he wanted easi easily, but yeah gone, that was beyond that was his energy. Gamma was the point you know you can gain. Was a pilot. Was Yours right? He was actually writing books. John was a bad guy. Good guy you know, so you come to your film. It's the scenario you. Go to play tennis, but it's it's it's. It's almost secondary. What how going to play? They want there's an interaction between the you don't have it anymore. You. Don't have it and you know what that's that's. That's sad I would. Stop this code of conduct you know. Would stop it. If somebody is somebody's behaving bad. So the people are going to. The people on GonNa buy shirt all by the east shirts ore. By his racket all follow him all of. Getting the feeling that maybe the guys that don't want. They're not prepared to be the bad guy. Even, if maybe it might might suit, the might be their personality. I mean I think federal wonderful, but not everybody can be like them. Well, not everybody, but they grew. Grew up learning the game with this rule. This is different. You know time you remember about the Australian Open, you know they. They brought this rule supposed to Johnny mackinaw quarters. He's playing. Turn forward we. Have the barbecue after that that cashes place. So I'M AT A. Place in Melbourne. We assigned the garden watching TV. Because Johnny's playing pernfors, he's going to probably win and comes and join us for the barbecue. So, watching the game and it was the code of conduct was starting so John It was actually made for John Mostly. To all of US senators the problem the next thing I know I'm playing to win. The next thing I know John was disqualified. Out of the Australian Open. And Michael Poulsen and I. Love to play these kind of players I told you. We came to. The Barbecue. Is All upset? You know cut? Strata for one. You know bring my wife and children not qualified. I Sit John I. can't I'm really sorry for you? But I can't lie. I'm really happy to play. So we had a few beers barbecue again like I as we as we speak now, Janis. He's. Good friend with my son in and spend a Lotta time together. That's part after all these over. We know we. We stay friends, but we at these moments. Of We could play. In tournaments and During tournaments, and and you know interact and socialize together and barbecues. A tweezers in New York during the US Open. We used to rent like a big music studio because some of the guys were missions or trying to position when Jim Courier a Cossio. Multi car ski my. Whole azure myself. Johnny Mack! And you know we had these open studio. And after the Games you know unique was opened with no some beers in the whatever back in the days. you know soft drinks and. And we, which is jamming together. The tournament we also did it once in Austria we used to jam together with Jim. And It doesn't happen anymore. It doesn't happen anymore. And yeah, no to come back to your question. The Atwood's E. Yes, Roger, you don't see Roger. Green but you have to remember join. Roger. Hazard Gina was a little Brat. As a junior was a little spoilt Brat, breaking records cursing, and he came into the circuit, and he became like this zen-master is beautiful. But the the the whole, but these guys. None the game. With these rules you know. And and. There's also one thing that he's not killing the game today. I don't know if you could be sneak David. So cattle, What is it with a towel? These people sweating more than Earth Watch. What is it with towel that you need a towel before every point? That you have a match that goes that you actually fifty minutes of tennis and the match last two and a half hours because the guys. Need a towel between every single point. This is not possible. We have to stop the towel. Yet a respond. Get to response you. Yvonne, at least reasons like we take almost always four home. Get the respond change respond. Get a towel when you during the changeover. What is it with towels? Every single point or my corona virus is tragedy, but perhaps it's one thing that it will stop biggest. The. About this show. I mean God now. I'm not playing I'm watching a game. It's a show I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not in front of my TV watching a game where I have to watch somebody just. You know trying to dry up. All Day long you know. I I decided to stop now. Just one of the things I wanted to ask you about is the atmosphere you described in the eighty-three running across, and how you? You never managed to find that level of motivation again. On the court, but would it be fair to say that you did as Davis Cup captain, because the reason I ask because I watched back the ninety-one. final. The journey to that Title I I am struggling to think of an atmosphere that I've watched on TV like that, it was just incredible to watch, and that's just on TV. Just wonder. How? That experience felt for you. Well I had I. I wasn't a circuit with my friends. You know we friends. We played in Florida. We put in California. We ran the same house. You know I'm the godfather of ease? Gi Forges son in a family. You know we finally, I'm like best man at our. He'll cones. Mary Wedding I'm the. I'm the big brother I introduced you know. Some girls to them when they're young, you know. I'm like the big brother inaudible in Paris. They come to sleep at my place when they're juniors. You know I, take them on my Porsche and then. Best friends and when I stopped in eight, nine, hundred ninety. They asked me to be captain captain, and I never thought about it. Yeah, no, we won't you around. I say fine so I I was like the Captain Silky guys list right to win this. So I was coaching, my best friends. So it was very strong and when we started. You know we we we wear. Our connection was look so. Perfect you know in the team was like new. In the communication and motivation we were doing. We have to say we do we. We are doing it. Because we friends. Not Teammates friends, brothers we were. We were like brothers the whole team, even even the coach everybody. Our team was like a team of brothers for real for real. So, that was our energy, and and yet we paint think Pete and Andre. Beaten Andre. Even though Pete and Andre was not, they were not wanting to, but I think they were three Sikhs or whatever, but there was a pizza present Andrea Agassi. And Ken flags instead we playing Liam. People in your like the first time this have these incentives stature final Davis Cup. We haven't played when Weiner Davis Capsule. I don't forty years fifty years, so it's a big deal. So! Yeah, we, we went. For A. Off Enfranchise so we go. Basically, we went in place with nobody. Practice like we never did before. For ten days before going to join practice when exerts. Basic prepared for the Davis Cup for like two weeks just for this goal. And we arrived so prepared. You know a lot of yoga by then I was. Reading, you know doing of your guy. He's got his ation. So photo he and And, my My two mentors and I read all the books where on Gelo Dandy. Haji coach! How'd you coach Mohammad-ali I'd you sugar? Coaches people. so he was very inspiring to a lot of notes trying to be inspired, and and and and and most of all the books flow Jackson. I was reading all these books. how you know it brought like A. Bringing Spiritual Dimension to the coaching so all this amid my only male. My only coaching and It was really working with with my best friends. And when we came on to play this, we were ready. We didn't read Nowadays, you cannot really. Take out of the the the general energy because of the social. Networks ended phones and swimming fulfills before night to say okay, we don't read newspapers. these new newspapers around, so we cut the TV's, and we don't. So we know what was going on. which is getting ready. All we have to think about is getting ready for this match when we came. Yes they played, they played the best tennis of their lives because. You had key for J. in the team, but you also had unruly content center, and the heat had a pretty serious injury, not long before that. Yeah, we were playing the semifinals and. He had a back injury and. Off when he was not playing with would gain. Unbelievable weight. Really quickly. So we hadn't played for like. A month and a half when we were playing the semi final against Yugoslavia. Didn't. He and I called him asleep. I felt bad for him I felt. I really felt bad for him as my friend because we were playing eating play for a few months, he we are paying a semifinal. The Davis Cup. It was his dream, but he couldn't eat could. Not even jog could could barely walk you a so big? It was fat. You're thinking like twenty five pounds. That's how bad it was. So I called him because I felt, you know eastern things. Probably, there's no way I can leave him. Watching these TV Swat. Coleman okay, what you WANNA. COME BACK! You Care if you. Come and see the game you know. And we felt sad. You know we made it to the final, but we felt sad because you're super sad. And I know. Was the trainer of of the team sit Yan we have to you the finals in two and a half months. Why don't you come? You're the only one can go. Talk to only antennae that we need him for the finals. Just just giving these energy. At least lose. Weight at least give a call. Because now he was sad. He was pathetic. It was really sad. And I'll do that. So I remember everybody goes. To go take the the cars to go to the airport. Now we have an hour. I called him as you. Would you come by my room? You Know I. Need to talk to you, so he comes so he's happy for us, but I can tell like suicide suicide deep inside. You know a warrior, but he's like he can't play. Too Big too fat. So I see. Your you know what? I have to have something to eat from these moment you work. You go to a place where you're gonNA have affect special. Diet take care of you buddy for one month. One and a half month. Workout! issue. Shoot do that I. don't care if you. Today one match before the final issue. Just do that every day you look at me as you do it, I'll take you in the team. I don't WanNa. Play but I'll take unity. And then only started to cry. And you just you just said he cried, cried cried, he just went. He told me he told the only thing says thank you. Never forget that. Any? Plane. We went back to Paris. It took a car straight that night. It drove during the night to place. 'cause syndrome is like a Rehab Place Any stayed there for. Five weeks. Five weeks nonstop. I was calling every year. You know once a week at the beginning and then people that never got never seen the. Working so hard. He lost like. Twenty pounds in two months. Were crazy arrived in a match, we went to these. Places I told you start to practice with the team you know might. Look the one supposed to play back, then was on Birch or did he do it or end for Shuki, but number. Ensure. I know he was their first day. Plays Games against them. You. Six, three, six, two, six, hundred eighteen clear sets for like four-month next day, two, six, four, six, three, six, two. And it went on and then by the end of the. The the whole thing you know he started to. Beat them like one to win. One playing unbelievable he was, he was on. A mission was just GONNA mission. So Yeah He. Played His best tennis than you know because it was like more than tennis was something inside, that was like Oh! You are so close to like he was. He was thinking about retiring. So of course when you ready. Pumped up fired up. you almost use to death you at dead. Literally dead three months ago, when not clear anymore now you playing the some the final Davis Cup with Pete. And Andrea. Was Out of I love to watch this because. The of course the shots was unbelievable tennis for these days. Come believable tennis. But what I love to watch. She's like. The connection the eyes of the guys there are. Ready to die. No fear, Warriors, peaceful warriors like crazy I love to see that an I can see religion a connection with my eyes when I played my final of the French Open and there is when they played his final, it was crazy. I was was crazy to be connected like that and you know I. Never had it after that never even though we won. Twice after that I never had this. Intense connection with my payers. They're my best friends. You know it's like I'm playing with my best friends. You know we're in a five four in assists. And you're going to sit. You know you look at the person in front of you is your best friend. You know, of course, you're GonNa do what to do. Because he's not, he's not. He's not alone They're playing together and more more more than that. You know we're we're. We are team of friends so. I could tell the energy and the people felt it. The people the crowd. They felt it because we you know we were supposed to lose this. One chance at a ten. Were supposed to lose it, and then the and after the first day like one Oh, then we win the doubles. So Story to tell you you have time. So it's to one so now. We twin what we need. We we need now is like one point the whole thing which was like. The upset of you know our our history. So. To win I said Agassi was paying unbelievable, because even though Galas between the first day. I can see played unbelievable. Game played fantastic match in a fantastic Mesa great match, but I guess he was like I've felt. That the only one to win a I don't I didn't think that he would be. Agassi! So I, said I got to be. So. So we've watching videos and was very gay would Nev- never? Tell you I'm going to beat this guy. Never, so we watching videos? And Katie's the way we want to play Pete you know okay, this is this okay. Okay, so now you have to keep on that. So. I so I to before he goes to bed UK Iglesia. You have it okay, so you're gonNA. Go in sleep on that dream about this just the way we just talked about. And then for the any, says one thing Yanni. I swear. If I win. I'm not gonNA, be. Jumping up and down and crying and stuff. I look at him and I was so happy, because for the first time told me that he believed he could do it. So he goes to sleep. So now me and my room I I usually don't sleep like nervous. So, After one and a half hours by nice like warning the morning, my phone rings. A bill forty. She goes Yanic. GIG can sleep crazy. It's crazy. East like sooner. A. Going around the room at twenty per ticket by took, can sleep, but now east-leading me. Studying me that. Bad And she goes. Is You bad Yannick? Because he knew that he was listening, I said well. My bet is really hard. You know. The mattress is really it's really hard. It's a hard mud. Oh, he's a hard metrics. Can we come into your room any change room so he? We are exchanging rooms at three in the morning because. Of course the metric exactly the same that you needed to know that was around I. Guess. So he goes. and He. We aren't a bit of changing rules changing beds. That take bets the bed where the same anyway, so by not what's going on? What's going on, but? Some growing. I know I have an idea, so we were staying in the middle in the middle of the town, and it was all these restaurants, and we could sometimes he people chanting all the crowds where supporters defense the so by three in the morning, just took my jeans on. Get dressed and going to the street and go to the I've got. Walking place where you have no cars, we've all the restaurants are very popular place, yonkers. We miss you so I knew that like hundreds of fans. Thousands of fans way there you know. I decided to go so I went to all the restaurants. All the restaurants standard in one table a freshman stand on tables. Oh, yeah, because they know guys i. have to Tell You I count on you tomorrow. You really have to help. You need you. Gain it. You okay. Yeah, yeah, I so I went to about twelve restaurants to do that like. Fire the whole might defense. Oh, the next day you know it was crazy. G told me that even though it can sleep a lot, but he slept very well the bed. The crowd with crazy. It was crazy. It was just fantastic. Twelve like I. Don't think we've had we've never. We've never had that after. Never never had the amount of energy coming from the crowd never. and. and He. Took that help help them you know and. And that was fantastic and wins this game. Crazy, you know after, tell you. Last week. I told you that also came to Arthur came to Cameroon right. Any with Tom Walker. Some augert. Charlie, Pasarell and Marty recent Tomoko my first. Time, I was playing singles in Davis Cup was against Holland. Tomoko I'm playing Tomoko. Like to seven years after. Actually yes seven years after we met in Cameroon. I'm playing him. So he was part of all the whole. My whole stories from my first Davis Cup player. He's to play Tom. I'm trying to make the story short. The fifth set we playing on carpet, playing the fifth. I'm serving for the match at. I think eight seven or Tena of ten nine I'm sorry for the match. Forty thirty matchpoint I serve you returns I make volumes backhand. It's a winner. I throw my Reckitt, up. Okay I want. Dives. You have to look at it slow motion. I throw them, Iraq. It's he's beaten. It dives. The bullies behind him, and for some reason with his wrist. He hits the ball back. The problem is when the ball little mini love that comes. I finished the volleys underground, but the promise that I through Iraq. So I, don't have a racket. So. The ball comes slow motion in front of me and I take it with my hand my racket. He's over there. You imagine yen the crowd in Holland screening. Screaming screaming were almost lost. Dispatch because of this mistake. I'm nineteen. At this point. You know when you're young, you don't you don't think too much. Don't don't panic. You know this the energy of being young. So end up winning this match, but I will never forget this. Listen to this. Look at look at the finals complete. Sampras looked at the match point because I told them to story I told the. So many times. It part of the story was all did that was a joke, Bob? We laughing about it for years? Even before it was captain, look at what happened was. Look at the final. Is I took it back end? Pete returns to his down the line. and G makes like a perfect volley. Cross court volley. The winner. If you look at the image. Look at it. Pete Dives. Dives this is a winner Ev, nine, hundred, nine, four ninety, so we the the. Pete Dives. And hit the ball. And Give a slow ball back. That actually hit a little bit of the net and come. But look at. Almost Swiss racket. Almost always record away. Almost did the same thing goes crazy, but he kept the racket crown already cheering that I shall. Always Movement is going to throw his racket. And then the ball comes, doesn't the racket is really and then and then you said he was going to cry and stuff. I don't think I've ever seen. A player collapsed to the ground quite like the way he did it was. He completely lost control of his body. He just let's I mean it was the ultimate matched was the ultimatum and winning Davis Cup for us, you know we have tradition for Davis Cup you know deep shot three used to be the president at this dream of winning the Davis Cup. either. So, it's like it. It met in meant a lot. It was like. Shambo tie was like the one of the Moose Curtail was the reason why we slackers. And Crochet. where the reason why to hold on gallows was built, was built, was in the state in this at the stadium. You was there it was. It was filled with history. D. Is is very special. Guy Loves the tradition he loves loves scope, I. Think loved more that actually winning a grand slam as a teammate easer. So tools to win this last point for him was. The universe. and. And it's it's it's. It's really. Moment that where you know all of a sudden you you just you. Just fall. Just fall it. Can you do is joy? You can die at this moment. Doesn't you won't make different? You won't make a difference, so that was special. Such such wonderful memories. You best friend, you know you cry and hug you best friend. You know that that's what Davis Cup gave us. That was ten. Hug, my dad. I cried of happiness and cried for happiness, hugging my best friend because. You know, we won the Davis Cup together so that's something that. that. We have a forget of course. The wonderful wonderful stories. Thank you so much for your time. It's been worth. Davis will welcome in really was great to talk to you and. After, all these years, that's a long time. I've probably heard one or two of these stories over the years when we were traveling on. Always wanted to do this and and it's just lovely. Thank you so much. My pleasure David. Yannick Noah mortar man, what a guy! He is I just love talking to him and. I hope you've enjoyed listening to that as much as I did because he's the best interview around and and it's just the thrill really to had him as guest here on the tennis podcast. If you've enjoyed it, do tell you friends. You'll family your social media groups. She. What's that groups? Our linked to share this interview is in the show notes to this podcast and yeah. Thanks very much for your company as always we will love in producing the podcast and we'll be back with many more over the coming weeks. We're going to have a meeting this week to discuss. Our plans will have daily shows during the US Open fortnight, whether there is a tournament or not, where we know it still up in the air. 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S2 E19: Julian Assange, Tiger Woods, Cher, Sanctuary Cities and more!

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S2 E19: Julian Assange, Tiger Woods, Cher, Sanctuary Cities and more!

"This is Dennis Miller option, your source of opinion stories in laughs from comedian and inactive est Dennis Miller and his guy Friday, Christian Blat, what's up Hiroshi? Let's light this candle who, ladies and gentlemen. Dennis miller. Hey, folks, welcome to the Dennis Miller option, obviously, it's Monday horrific day here as you look at what's happening in Paris. I always restricted here into that admonition at Vittoria to seek a gave to sa- feeler n she was staying somewhere on central park south. That's a moot point. But and her jewels were robbed from a room, and she called her mentor Yoda ide- fix patriarchal figure Vittorio to seek o- sobbing about the loss. And he admonished her and said don't cry about things that can't cry about you. This is probably as close as you can get to that though, obviously nine eleven when the buildings fell you knew what our loss of life at represented not the most horrific of memories this one I have not been following completely because I was out but listening to it on the radio, and I think there's no loss of life. Thank god. But this would test that theorem about don't cry for things to can't cry for such a. Amazing building in the middle of. An amazing city. Lost in a lot of its safety and beauty in the last few years due to man's inhumanity to man, and then to lose this. Hub in the hub-and-spoke cultural center of an unbelievable. So. It's I know like I said, it's kind of odd when something hits you with a left hook because I would think ordinarily architect buildings. I guess it's more about the history and all the things that have happened and all the things that it has survived. You know, the Han. Yeah. I mean, I it's just to to see it. Go dad is unsettling law on not as much beauty in the world as there used to be or indeed we've gotten so pie post about everything that were chided for maybe immersing ourselves in just the beauty of surroundings. So when you see this happen in shake show. Little you think. Wow. Didn't know that was in there. But. We'll we'll keep an can keep an eye on. So I didn't even know what I'm saying. Yeah. These are moments that remind you when you try to be wise, and this is what social media is about all that. I just happened to be doing the podcast today. Yeah. He was them in the moment is a very rare gift. And I'm I'm not sure that we all shouldn't just zip it. So I'll move on with the the podcast, noting the irony, of course that the. In. In the same wing that the mayor of south bend, Indiana, Notre Dame. Odd name like, but a witch or whatever announces he's running. It's a big Notre Dame has bubbled up in the cultural and worldwide zeitgeist for the the week with some interesting and in this case, devastating happenings. All right. What else is up Christian? How are you? I'm doing quite well, not right now Christian not right, please. Don't jump in trying. I heard Trump right away this morning say, hey, get some planes over it, not there is a builder there. You know, I- living out here in California and seeing the fires and seeing these planes come in low and drop the I guess it's a tough call, and they probably don't have planes hanging around, you know, where they can suck a hose into the Seine and put this out from above. But you have you been in Notre Dame Christiano? Yeah. It's it's been a while. But yeah, I've I have been crisis shortage. You are the ceiling must look really high. But even to me strapping man that that's a high ceiling. You're not gonna get it from down low. And so I immediately heard Trump say get those planes and start dropping water, and you thought well that would work. I see it's not happening. But then again, as I said, they probably don't have access to that. And it's probably this thing seemed to have started two hours ago and now. I was out eating chicken at the Santa Barbara chicken ranch. And I got it back in the car. And it said the spy has the spire fallen that is what I saw on drudge. Well, there you go, and it's an odd thing to see because for it to happen. I think it's eight hundred years to build the thing. I don't know how old it is. But let's say old and to be there on the day that it comes down as must be like the cats who are on the camel or something touring the Spinks today. The nose fell off you you of them. I get that big nose. Well, yeah. But she looks cells now that she doesn't have that huge knows or is fair. Con said the the nose was Farrakhan's feeling is the nose was an African nosy. It was chiseled off by Napoleon. Yes. Always remember these events that are like a micro second in history of the planet eons of the planet. It does literally happen to somebody someday. You know, there was a guy walking around. He probably had a for cod piece on and it just. Yeah. Knocked over a small raptor was roasting it and the fucking meteor hit your thinking, you know, the guy sitting there humming. What would eventually become lovely day lovely day loved that day. A little meet a little Mead kids are safe in the cave. All of a sudden, whatever they say ruined the dinosaurs hits. And using like, are you kidding me? I'm here for this day, really? So we've gone from us looking up dinosaurs one day thinking Christ who's gonna ever Trump them or so big no rule the world forever. And then the next day, they're all gone and somehow like a neutron bomb. You anybody covered in for pieces safe Illich up, and there's just a big skeleton. I gue- Christ someone on the museum people will be coming to get them. While you know that it was caused by a by dietitian. Now slab on your end because I'm pissed about this building. What were you going to say because? Dinosaurs died out because of dinosaur made global warming. Oh christ. You're right grand. Think about how much aerosols fat. If a how far it is feared what a T. Rex was an empty NADA. Just ma'am. Blow when your to pay off? Oh, maybe that's drastic park for well. We're actually Korea. We're already up to drastic park five. So you're you're thinking six Liz, you madness all the get the code off damn at wish we could see that Jesus. Did you ever tried to drive and get something off a coat got the world's easiest coat to get off? All of a sudden, I'm Harry Houdini upside down in the Chicago river, you know, in chain, mesh world's Iraqi place right now her we just to privy to it. And I sometimes talk myself down off the ledge by doing that. That there's you know, this is her find this heartbreaking just this loss of this thing. And here's the thing about it. Obviously. When there's no loss of life. You get over it easier. Yeah. Sure. It'll be a couple of days. But in the moment, you're just stunned. But there so. Little true beauty left. The neural. Did I find it unsettling, and that's the prizes me. What was I saying before that does something about my coat? I couldn't get my and get it off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've got a new sponsor Roman. You can get it. All. You might not get your goal. Union. Are terrible about talking about their health Christian. Whether it's a knee injury. Bad back something worse. Yeah. Like, this guys are usually more comfortable rubbing some dirt on it than seeing a doctor. Guilty of it myself. Chris you remember when you and I suffered a few years ago in the while they called her the white glove ten tour, and we're up all night dipping our hands deeply into the slurry. 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I wanted to I wanted to hear all about that sit down sit get over here cozy up, and you do let me rub that little Adam's apple years and give you some Kibble Guinea, I'll tell you coming. I K. Oh, my NIA was was hurting a little from hiking so much. I wish I had some sort of a it's my foot act. I wish I had some sort of Simeon shore up at is that I could delineate my problems too. I'm not sure if it's planner fascia Anderson just some sort of bunion thing. But I've got this or pain running down what eventually because my Kili tendon and takes that up to my well, apparently, my my general area, and I've pulled something in my foot. And it's given me d who can I talk about it? Can I get a prognosis who thank you? Dr. It has to watch these things. Erotic too weird. We still always our show our radio shows medical consult with someone we call chimp dog, and we would read these long extrapolate of series of symptoms and let and look for him to pro in Christian has never uttered anything as Dr save the simple two syllable. Grunt of? Who? I always always have to correct you a chimp doctor just travels with me and whenever he's called upon. We always turn on. And he speaks to an Lou of actually ever getting cast than anything. This is this fucking game that your acting class. It's Clark Kent some alley in Venice. He works for the daily planet. Read the liner notes. Quad your Fenian now. You were going to tell us about. Okay. So I come out of the box on Friday night at poolside at the Roosevelt hotel with my friend Ileana Douglas introducing the opposite sex, and I'm okay. But I didn't I'm always nervous on the first night. And then I actually GAC a fact halfway through Christ. I'd watched all the films together and lapsed over a musical number from buck privates, which is a black and white film with the Abbas Stelo somehow lapsed that over to technicolor classic with June Allyson Joan Collins. So there you go good ambient or good the night before big. But anyway, it went well, and I just sort of blew through it, and I hadn't confessed the sin until right now. But I have to you know, it's like telling us shrink something, you know, you tell you shrink your worst fear, apprehension rethought. You've ever had because. Yeah, my nine fifteen husband, and then you're healed. Letting the next morning was by my fav-. Well, both the next is things were my favorite. I met Barbara rush. And introduced when worlds collide on Saturday mornings. She's ninety two come last now and look at lady and we had great time together, very sweet and her daughters. Claudia Cohen who I see on FOX always in the field in front of a fire on and then last night introduced buck. Privates was Eddie Muller moderating. Ellen's why bell? And I the great Allens. What bell, and we laughed our asses off. And they asked us to pose for duo picture. And I put my arm around him. He had his hand on his hip. His what are you fucking wind Verdon? It was like a man. And we laughed, but I want to thank my friend. Suzanne is does a pay to over there. She is the one who brought me into the full very sweet me, and it's been two years running now. And I have a great time over there. Viva's a paid. I think in Viva Zapata. Brando and Anthony Clinton there. You look that up Christian. I do believe Anthony Quinn might play his brother something. And I think I've heard a story. I don't know if it's a pocket full. But Anthony Clinton goes on the road with streetcar after Brando immortalizes the role and to get them in there cranky scenes together. 'cause then Saidles up to brand on says I thought Quinn was better than. It's that fought simple. Not only. Sorry. Not only. Anthony Quinn in Viva Zapata. He won an Academy Award for it. Oh my God. Brando once he won his you get one. Yeah. I remember when I got my first one for boys town where I put lemme pre being made famous by motor heads lead singer. But I played a young kid is sort of a grease monkey named. Lemme a worked on imaginary cars because the orphanage was broke. Lemon. My I ask you were robbed when you were not nominated for madhouse. Man. Just like a vad haircut. Walk get out of that movie talk. But you're saying. Hey, you got to get work. What what what are you saying? There's my career fields the exposition eunuch and every get fucked. Never conquer anything. I never broaden out. Just I come in when they're plot points. They can't figure out yet. Say jesus. Oh my God. I've never never at my more literate than what I'm the secreting minds. What does this Boeing seven thirty seven max? Oh, yeah. I think they're canceling all those flights. They should because it wrecks a couple times in a week fucking do hire a PR firm. It's not like Mark Furman. It's fucking jet. Wait until the third time. Dennis. What's the rush? Why are you got his Lindsey are you what does that voice? We're waiting to Thais thought Lindsey getting ballsy here with a comment or something. It was that you that was me. What are you a ca- strato? It's because I haven't taken my Roman yet today. Mr. Ed, hey, they ought to do a series of ads with a horse is. Mr. he day. Horses a horse. Of course, if I give it an erection in its. The only way the same as mystery Andy harshness horse of going. Of course, you have them election. He'll win cook. All right to sprain. Storm spit balling. We're having fun. What do we did it at Christopher guest? We don't I wanted to know if you were all T Cmdr out or did you get a chance to see any of tiger yesterday. Oh, please. Yes. Of course, and exhilarating. God. What an up and down. You know triumphant moment for tiger today's devastation. The world is a quirky life is the world quirky plays. There's life quirky place. Do you think you should be able to bulldoze through things like today Christian? There's an interesting question if we were to cocktail party. I'd asked you that. And then turn my back on you and ask for the ams and the green beans, but I'd I say to you should how much should you or not at all be devastated when you turn on the news and a old church in Paris's burning because I know it rocked me and made me sad. Do you think they're bunch of? People out there who just blowing through it. Or do you think it's saddening to most? I mean, I've seen a lot of people writing about it on Twitter. You know that are saying a lot of things like they just they more. Like, I can't believe it. You know, you know, the a lot of like in the world's the. The idea that the world's a crazy place is sort of what you're saying. You know, I'm just seeing a lot of people that they're just kind of an odd that it's happening. And I think I think that it's the appropriate reaction for today. Maybe for tomorrow, I think by Thursday, you can't get out of bed at maybe maybe that's taking to heart. All right. That's a good talk. Do you think you get dim munition of the culture is best exemplified by the fact that this church took over eight hundred years too? Build and as it crumbles. It's encapsulated in an art form that has big move was going from one hundred forty two two hundred forty. Did you do you? Do you think it's a what would that be an allegory or a simplification? What's the word for that? There's somewhere that it would be. I think I usually I usually use allegory wrong. So I'm looking that. We're not before I say, that's right. A story. Palmer picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden. Meaning typically when we know that there's no way, it's all you big, man. Not funny that there's that magical definition for allegory. And then Al Gore means what he fucking kidding me. Well, the planet fever. What does Al Gore and allegory? This is odd that you're Al Gore. All algorithm. No allegory there. That's his problem. See what I did? There is that a new one. I want you to some mud. See you have to write that down and get some mug from now river rub rub it on my. My well, what's passing as a body, Al Gore? Good talkers. Well, I think this is a great time to go. Tell people that Dennis will be performing April twenty-sixth at fog is bring this joke. Yes. I think that that'll kill and FOX. What are you kidding me? You think if I went up on stage and said, hey, folks, where everybody else is saying what part of the chicken isn't mcnugget that I'm going to go and say, you know, what it is with Al Gore. Don't much algorithm. Not all the gory. Don't start with it. You gotta get you. Gotta work it in. I'm sure you've got a procreate point. I've seen the special you can fit it in their watch that special by the way, folks, it's called real news faked or fake news real jokes. And you can find it on Amazon prime, and I believe you can still buy it on I tunes and all those good places to. I know it's bothering me me is it you were reading some have. We finished the ads because I get assault. Tickets. Was folks come on how much the tickets, I'm at Foxwoods that are on three other places that are oddly interconnected name-wise, I think of it the Finian's rainbow Cup. I know something you have the chevalier theater mass. It's April twenty-seventh the paramount theater in Austin may first caboose called a kabuki. Right. Well now because that's Arlington, Texas may ten insurance producer. Oh, Kaba buoy. Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't see it covered. All right. It's I didn't know that was in your wheelhouse. Come on like, you said two days later, if you can't give out of bed about church fire that joke for one second air funny, bone fine. But don't go back in non still be laughing. Hey slapped you. And then Kabu that's in Arlington, Texas may tenth may eighteenth. At the Saint George seater on Staten Island, and I didn't know about this one until just the other day may thirty first the IP casino resort in Biloxi Mississippi. Wow, that's enough funny because I'm currently reading Yellow River boy IP daily. We used to do the joke in grade schools, and I wanna I joke. Schober learn. Yeah, I'm rooting Yellow River by IP daily. Unfortunately, I did that on my last Leno ended my relationship, but he doesn't have the show anymore. So like he'd go on the car show. It's fine. Actually, I'd love to see you on his car. So I would too we had an idea for a while. But then more famous people had idea. Oh, yeah. I wasn't on me. If I wanted to do. Michael musters moped show. Step up. What else is up in the world? We haven't emailed. And we want to talk about anything in particular. Oh, I had something pissed me off. But good. You leave me on a few things play. We had asked the question of people wanted interview shows and I- Lindsey was nice enough semi some of the Jimmy Connors thing. Thank you, folks. So I guess we have to do the long format once in a while. But should we do it with just sports players or should I call Joni MAC, I think Johnny Mack would be it would be a great long form guest. I know we had him on the radio show. I think that you know, maybe some current athletes maybe like eight minutes in. I think it depends on who you're looking at talk to Stomas in New York. I went to twenty one with John we had dinner sitting right next to the JJ hunt sicker booth. And I John I can't tell you. What thrill this is for me to be in twenty one? I loved that movie so much and I've seen it in so many movies, and he's there. Yeah. You want to see the best thing in kidding in twenty. He takes me over and as a racket he fractured at the US Open hanging from the ceiling. Smashed and his what's the backstory said bad call. Is work. So we do have a few voicemails on your inquiry about guests. The first would be read from Atlanta. Love your work even loved your role in Joe de well, I thought you made the movie. Hey this morning. Christians a surf Ron I'm burrowed is soon as I heard that voice. I'm like, wait. But I don't think that's gene, his phone doesn't sound that. Good. Nice. Sounds like a Paul HOGAN embryo what? Yes. To the fact that you should do into use really enjoy them and hold on for a second. I think that's why Linda Kozlowski backed out of the relationship. That's that's what crock began the son like to her. You know, I was like nails on a chalkboard. Play play the fucking Kate. Can you hear reg from Atlanta now of being constructive? Auto fo the following suggestions Dmitri molten Mike Myers. Michael caine? Christopher guest. John Anderson the singer from yes who has a new solo album out and Charro because who can't do coochie coochie. Anyway, I go to go 'cause I have to download the app comb because I do everything you told me to. I like that last or somebody. We know. Yeah. But it's it's not, gene. So I can't figure out who it is not somebody. We know you might change. Except about the com thing. Yeah. Listen, wh where Dekom comrades. Go was doing Comrie. Not today. Why isn't their thing? Com dot com is not there could you build a whole campaign about that website. Dot com. I mean, it should be it. Let me hear this. Again. There's a clue in here is possible. This is rob large. No, he he has a I I know his voice a little bit better. But the when he says, Michael Cain. I'm like, oh, he's doing a Michael Caine impression. So whoever this is. Bro, breaker Mirant tied in a chair cheer this again. Love your work even loved your role in Joe dirt. While I fought you made the movie I want to give a definitive. Yes. To the fact that you should do interviews. I really enjoy them and things are great. And in the spirit of being constructive. Auto fo the following suggestions Dmitri molten Mike Myers. Michael caine? Christopher guest. John Anderson the singer from yes who has a new solo album out and Charro because who can't do coochie coochie. Anyway, I'll go to go because I have to download the app comb because I do everything you tell me to just figured out who it is. John Anderson from you. What's thing is not like we? What else? Doraville. This something like that. For like a millisecond. I just I donate my. So I go and love myself too much. Why can't I find that the that mid mean point Christian where I'm not mean? I went just from thinking I'll dentist his yak yak yak to let's John Anderson, and I weighed loved myself, but you should you need to love your son. I I would just like to find a nice place. A calm place is still alive. That's a great question. I actually don't know she old and crumbly I'm in in by my SARS. She was she was still hot, you know, say I was leading. So do you think I I do think I'm over here saying she must be old and crumbly and thin. Have you interject there to wait for second? Hand me say, I think she's now called Charro. Well, that clearly what do you think I'm saying crumbly thin for look I don't not to lead Charro eighty percent of the time. I don't know what you're talking about. So I was just as long for the ride anytime you go to a place where it's hot. They're always selling those things right before you get on some ride to goes around in circles and Giro's, I think trolls the most up chucked food and the history and the end, of course, is my guess there you go. What do you think food has been which food? Do you think of the course of the man's time on earth has been up chucked the most funnel? Can't would be your guess. Definitely funnel cake. Phone king. Yeah. Some right because carnivals. Yeah. I'm just trying to think something else that would be what would you eat wings. Maybe sure. Those with drinking. I'm going to say wings are fun pay. And I think you were an improv troupe called wings or funnel cake, who's accent, wings and funnel cake. Because. Jello. Gimme a film genre. Peckinpah? I was wings and everybody else was funnel cake. I was the beauty of it. But then they put me on the cover of Rolling Stone and the rest of them weren't. And it was all over is this the little man, I breastfed. I hope not. We have two more Trump has Pelosi and Schumer over the White House for dinner. You see look on his face when Schumer had to preach. You her food put it in I drop room to stir squeezing it down her beak like Bobby Stroud on the rock and Birdman. Aren't we all really inside the part? We don't show to each other just wet little rans. Palmera? You shared it with them. What else we let's do two more of these calls on guests? And then we're looking at some things in the news Dave from San Diego this month. You know, interview topic? I like good interviews the one with Connors was wonderful. Some other interviews may not be as great I prefer to hear just you. All right. So he likes good in getting thought he was being a little taken too seriously. But at the end, that's most brilliant single point. I've ever heard of you make it was a little stick with that brother. He was coughing you ever want to come in here and sit in your welcome to soon as Christian clears you with his local cop friend. Did he takes care of him and Christian? Didn't you meet him? Weren't you in some sort of a spin art class without Cowlings, and he hit you to some cop that takes care of. Yeah. Because you know, AC, obviously he has pretty Dave Rolodex, especially with the boys in blue. And that's why that Bronco. Chase was just so crazy. They were listed that. You'll see we know you roll that is a trove that Bronco cross country. And he's a lobby is now in our days capital. You find a plaque out a door? The thing. We didn't realize that day is that he was driving that white Bronco straight into our hearts. We'll be right back. This is star. This. Give me the third. This is the third one Tom from Chicago. A quick question of listeners. Do they do we prefer guess or guess, hey, you know, what it's your show? Do what you wanna do when you have your friends like Anna Karbi, it's fantastic. And it was just you the last couple of shows you've been risen laugh so hard. I think I think I need myself. Have you heard of Roman, sir? Exactly. And wasn't he in the Trump member? Alexa, play Trump's in Moscow. And he wants to get you know, he wants to do something sexy. So he goes a couple of hookers over for Minsk and ask them to piss on his bed. And that's why you get across the world. God forbid, you hire the most beautiful woman in Moscow or something and make love to her. No, no, no, go into the suburbs. Let's find a couple of weak bladder wenches and having pee on the thing. I'm gonna sleep on. Really? That's yeah. So you're billionaire you're alone in Russia without and that's what you're you're angling for. News wise, I wanted to get your thoughts on Julian Assange. I don't know much about that cap, but I can imagine that room stank. Yeah. I mean, if you just his beard freaked me out, you know, you've got the Letterman beard. Maybe we'll Amati has to be carried out was there. Saturday gesture than that. It looks like he's being carried out but eight guys and his thinking Christ. Can you just get up and walk? What statement are you making here right now and? You know? I just remember every thought I had was wait a second. Pammy Anderson ends up with this again Indian, and Brooke Burke closes David Charvet. What's wrong? Ron this. Yeah. What what's what's his deal? Released secrets that put people in harm's way way. Right. But but the big one that got him out. Did was you you take the Guevara Ecuador? Yeah. And you have them in bed with lobster. And you take a photo release that he's just eating it. He's not fucking the lobster in case know. But it's just that per se. All these, you know, it's like Bernie Sanders. The you know, these cats who always are decrying the wealthy. It's the only way they could get wealthy using Bernie Sanders. You you see what a moron is? You think at age twenty? He looked in the mirror and said, yeah, I'm going to become a millionaire and you see him so fucking. I had lacked charisma so much. I'm such a shit head the only way I'm ever going to become a millionaire as by insisting people shouldn't become millionaires. I know it's an inside straight. I know I gotta draw to on the river. But that's all I got because I can't go out there with this piece of shit presentation. I have become a millionaire when you can't be a runner for the general store, and you know, Birmingham coat factory or something. So. Isn't there? A coke factor. Him somewhere in Arlington. Yes. Burlington now Birmingham. Well, that's that's the that's the British offshoot the Birmingham factory. I think the guys from iron maiden earlier. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe we followed the threat. But anyway, he's a jerk off he's savvy enough to realize that there's a great, hey to be made these days convincing young people that they don't need money to be truly wealthy. And there's a fortune to be made off that. And that's only did the preaching the mantra of subsidize self reliance writing is ninety five theses Mark done a ninety four ninety nine in his third house, the one on the lake get outta here. You Jag off. He he's such a socialist. He's Komen it over from somebody else's head. Not much. I tried. I didn't quite heavily. But you see what I mean? But you know, you can't make those socialist jokes too on the nose because they get tired. That's true. Yeah. It's like for how many years Christian were you with me before you had to come you appeared like an apparition in some sort of Vietnamese spin fuck chair over my bed one night with a Buford pus or stick thrashing me and say every time we talk about a dog. You don't have to say seven to one we get it dog years are seven you don't have to take Rin tin. Tin salary and make it seven to one that up. Give me some oh, what was pissing me off? Oh, no, listen, I know it c- hypocritical world. And I know that critical thinking been. Replaced by hypocritical thing which is critical hypocritical linking. But for God's sakes. It can you believe a more blatant example of it, then sanctuary cities begging for illegals to come to them. Trump gets in the middle and says, yeah, it sounds like a plant every checks every box. You want them? They're big cities that can take them in. We've been sending him under Obama out to places like. Lewiston Maine where I believe of heretofore the biggest. The biggest sham that had happened. There was Sonny liston going down from the phantom. I leap punch many years ago. Was it lewiston Maine? But you know, it's okay to dump them there. But putting them in a big city. Now people I see share this morning. My city can't take anyone. I'm thinking does anybody over there killing anybody just squelched there white hot hate of Trump for millisecond and see what a bad look that is too in the same breath lay claim to being a sanctuary city and saying please come here. We'll take care of you. Somebody gets in the middle expediting that. And you say that he's being countless. I mean Christ is there. No end to the do as I say, not as I do not my back anything you wanna call it. Somebody's gotta throw up a flare over there and say, you know, I always thought it would be the the private jets to the global warming festivals or Dabo's now they just bulldozed through that never saw. But for God's sakes, when you stab list that you're a sanctuary city in its you're very it's the the strength of your community. And then somebody like I said gets in the middle of that and brings them on buses to you that you blanche and say that it's bad form. I mean, come on. There's gotta be some limit over there. You're losing the thread, you're losing most of the country. I think you're probably starting to lose some people are predisposed to be liberal, although it's such a ostracized country. Right. And I don't know that there's many of them but say there's ten seven of a must hear that and go we have been sent send them here. It's it's unbelievably frustrating. And it's what makes me think, you know. I'm a fatalist about this, folks. I I don't know what this country will eventually become I won't even say devolved to that's insinuates. I think it will devolve. There's something happening. It's it's like me trying to figure out, you know, a hedge fund managers divorce. I don't know who's going to get all the art this country. Splitting up. We're in the early stages of that. I don't know if it'll turn into something nineteen twenty nine eighteen sixty one nobody can predict that. But let's face facts. If we don't have that in common that almost everybody uniform late can say, yes, we are the sanctuary city, and we want them here. And somebody says we'll send them there. And then they say don't send them here. You're callous that. They've reached critical bullshit bass come on. Now, if I did something like that. I swear to God. I'd copped you over here. I'm trying to think what I I h-. Have copped over the years to be missing the point on things. And that's all it takes. If we're in a he'll up. Thank god. I was at the film festival this weekend. Allnutt stopped drops to the side. You know, you watch old movies. And maybe that's where we should meet up, and he'll TC 'em because those old movies, the pre Pri ironic, and you know, pre malevolence and pre you must think like me or we're not in this thing together. All that stuff. Is it doesn't exist at that point? You know when Patty Andrews breaks out and the song right in the middle of a mess hall. Nobody even looks up because they just a smile. It's. Well, you know, that's what we should strive for house about that right now, I'm looking for a fake ending. Their don't have one nosing around for some sort of cap on that, let's just said doesn't exist. But I did find safe harbor for the weekend film festival. Thank you very much Christian. What else you got? Feed me match me Sidney keeping the film festival thing. Yes. Sidney Falco match me. There's a lot of important news stories out there. But none probably more important than this one. A man has sued his parents for eighty six thousand dollars after they destroyed his massive porn stash. Wow. I don't Hickenlooper go to porn with his mom. Well, is there anything sadder than squares? Try neck hip and going away past the point of no return. It's like you look at Hickenlooper and he's like fucking fruit loop on the back of a white cotton shirt. You know that thing. And all of a sudden, somebody says brother, you gotta hip it up kids. Don't get you. He's okay. Okay. I'll try to indicate to the kids that I'm woke I want and watched the entirety of deep throat with the mother whose uterus. I came out of. Yeah. That's it. That's a good story. Really? Is there any way you can rework it, and maybe you can crown during the break between films. So they threw out his eighty six thousand. Yeah. So who has an eighty six dollars that must be Christi Brinkley's? Well, this was a this is a Michigan man, and he moved back into his parents house after his divorce and was crushed to find that his porn collection had been dismissed. Jesus suit. You didn't find my anal trunk under the bed? Did you? Jeez. Monique as mom. The the best is that there's actually punitive damages because he says the collection was worth twenty eight thousand nine hundred and forty dollars. So he has a right down to that amount. Give me that number again, what eight thousand nine hundred and forty dollars. So he's asking for fifty seven thousand one fifty seven thousand sixty six. Yes. That's right. Involves me getting on my calculator. But it was eighty six thousand minus. This. And I said fifty six fifty seven seventy six. I see. Eighty six thousand minus and I lost that dollar amount. That's the real problem because I wanna make sure I get it. We got gotta get it. Right. Because you magic we got this hour only heard it for a millisecond later in my head eight thousand nine hundred forty and that is fifty seven thousand sixty dollars. You're right there. He was more than twelve moving boxes full of movies and two boxes of sex toys. Alner film called twelve moving boxes. I was. Terry Gilliam directed. Shall I? Go on. Munchausen? Yeah. Very disappointed that that's not what that movie was about. Christian. I always play this game where we. Give porn names to regular films. They make the porn version of it. Like this week. It would have been a number one in the film was. Oh, what do you think about? I know you're not a not a Pelosi fan. That's an understatement. But what do you think about her cold diss of AFC saying that her wing of the Democratic Party is quote like five people? I have trouble hearing wing jokes of somebody with chicken wings. Never see her sleepless. It's unfortunately. Yes. Yeah. Low flappy. So I can't. I must say. I like a good chil- shot at occasional cortex. But that one I'm telling you is joke in there somewhere, but Eos CD what what man it's not OCD is when you're constantly. Checking to see if the iron is on right? Yeah. So AO CD would be you're constantly. Checking to see the light bulb is off the where's it policy related like making sure that she's taxing us highly possible. Maybe not that. But something along those lines. We'll not we'll be great ruling bust out that unfunny show Ciro. What about the Kennedy assassination? I'm. Yes. Director, sir. Jabbering Magpies over there and have a flock out any of them. That was a that was a direct this guy again in the the guy who's bigger than his own airplane. Who has all the catheters? I mean, Jim the Sierra. Somehow he's bigger than his plane. He gets in there. And I think he uses one of those things they use a golf tournament. So there's a little periscopes because he's laying inserts the catheter. He goes up and does barrel rolls for like four hours, and he never asked to p. And then they bring him down. They throw some Kyi and slide him out of the cockpit because that is tight man. Look, he's got do you like it when you're calendar? Green package. No. Chris I used to get minor red pag it's not always been stopped to make green sends a message. Go ahead. Oh. See I'm always cautious. That's why I like the yellow catheters sample pack. I remember when I was a kid every year we'd go back to school. We bury site. We get that sliding plastic door capitalist that will box and we'd roll backing we'd have our race theories. Number lead pencils, pencil sharpener and our new gyro calf. If you wanna pe- upside down in zero gravity situation, the Giro cath is there for you. We gotta go. I think we should would you get arrested yet? Would you like another a voicemail to cleanse the palate? Somebody do we have anything where somebody hates me. Oh, we have. I don't think we I don't know if we have any of those this week. This is a week where people loved you so lame on. Okay. We'll just gonna shut show. I'm trying to shut up for as long as I'm comfortable with the love receiving here. No matter how gratuitous or how self serving it is. I'm going to try to stab a record for being on my own podcasts without talking as long as they maintain a maximum laudatory quotient. Oh, a little bad that you are so down because you didn't promote your podcast on Ben Shapiro's odd cast. So I went out and I bought some yard signs, and I put them up in my front yard to help spread the word. Now a lot of times. I'll get twelve thirteen cars go by sometimes on a good day. I'll get twenty seven twenty eight cars go by my yard. So I'm really really trying to get the word. Gosh, darn it. I just noticed. I didn't put podcast. I just have listened to Dennis Miller on the stupid sign so gonna let you go. I gotta get back to signed place. But hey, keep up the good work. Guys, cadence because it was like that old amusement park ride called the whip her at the beginning of a sentence was I gonna put something exciting. Then then I go, and then it slows down the other whips again, and he'd pick it back up. That's what I thought. Go ahead that was Doug from Illinois. And then the next one will be damned from Iowa. Bye. Forty something year old is hitting you job that I was starving. Handing over has. He starts the colleagues handing you drink. Let me put an Ascott. I think this guy's coming on pretty strong. I. Forty something year old guy. Job that I. Oftentimes dread being in there. Encouraging me to put my preferred pronouns in my Email signature, and I felt like the world was leaving me behind the nicest found your podcast and you saying it's like you're I don't know one dirty spoon away from walking into traffic. Nazi real to be there. And it was the most encouraging thing I had heard in quite some time to know that even you have days where you don't wanna be at your job. Love listening to you, by the way, you've been a lot peppier lately and encouraging as well, let's change that Jesus I felt like Lawrence luck. And Bill boys in the band. Dirty split away for walking around with love. Get a t shirt made. One dirty spoon. I got my son's for Christmas. We were talking one day. And I forget we're talking about somebody on TV and. My older son said Christie's just turned into a desiccated jerky, man. And I said, it's the greatest thing I've ever heard. I said I'm getting t shirts made up for Christmas, which was seven months out at that point. Imagine their joy when they opened their Christmas presents that morning. I had made. Turkey. It was one of those things where they their initial thing was to be weirded out by they really did this. Yeah, he's been real pleased. He's just going to do it. God, you're Europe each. But the first thing is one. Why does everybody off to fire their agents? Now, it's my wife understands it better than I do because she's an actual writer with an agency fire. Everybody has to it's part of the the guild, and as they negotiate but go be above. It's. But if you still have managers, you don't have to fire them. So it's fine. If you still have managers, they can they things differentiates between the joke that Lindsey will open up her mouth and Lomb biter bottom tongue to laugh and one like that where it's a what do you think the differences lengthy? You know, the punny says gets opened sounds so terribly sexual and when you in and Christian talk dirty to each other limb fighting all right? All right. Let makes me throw up in my mouth. So that's interesting stole money was going to be at that position. We're recording all of it. All. Anyway. So yeah. So that's an hopefully for people who have agents and wanna make money and give ten percent of it away to reach an agreement listeners not signing JJ. Yeah. He got he got called out right away of a diversion as. Well, are they not being supportive of organized labor? That is why they're being chest. I said JJ rising. I would've thought everybody was on now. Once again what what is happening with Hollywood. I know not everybody loves a tent loaded with typhus right down the street, but sanctuary city, we should be welcoming these people down there, and you know, all these Bolshevik aspirations, and then they say fire agent guys won't do it. Yeah. If you were an agent, listen, I would not keep my agent if my agent didn't call me and say just do this. And then we'll get back on the other side. Yeah. Right. Isn't that the hip agent any anybody that I that I've talked about this? That's what their agents have said. Like, look, we know you need to do this. We hope we're able to work together against the hip agent whose Jj Abrams agents that he doesn't call and say, listen, you're fucking Joan of arc. Don't die on this hill. This fire me, I work on deals when we won't talk for a week. Jay. These Billy Jack me ice cream. Parlor when I see what you lose little girl. I just go Bush buzzer. Hadn't weight your age and go ahead and beat a friend doing. It'll justify it in the end. Almost finished. How about one more bit of praise? The way out the door and house about the promise. Let me see if I was Pallone. I remember this cat was he my agent for few minutes. I was hit Lizzie note in the come FU Christian. He doesn't think I remember him telling me out and get something. And then doing a swing kick or something is one of those guys who didn't you know, some guys went sun Suu? Some guys went Bruce Lee everybody down there looking for some sort of legitimacy would take up some sort of warfare. So they were able to get on phones and scream at each other. I'll rip your shit and you're for that feeling. Yes, they all mastered. Some arts, I think Pallone was a kung FU fighter. Anyone my age? I think my brother knows. Well, they don't have to find my brother. Right. He's a manager. Right. And this is only this is only writers so actors don't have to fire their agents do this. If if they said you must and this is weird. But if they said you have to kill your eight dealing out. Would it be a fifty fifty split or dealing people? Withdraw the line and killing their agent. Well, would you only need to ninety percent kill him and let him finish himself off? Because of the ten percent ary. He probably hit the nail on the head there. But listen, you'd be better off killing your agent than getting your car keyed in the lot outside the palm. Because they'll do the they don't give a shit, but you've got a seven hundred Mamer or one of those alleys. Gavin plum. Wait a second. The allergy insignia makes me wanna watch cool runnings crazy cats from the island took up the Bob sled. Hey, that's pretty. Have that? I know that's true store debt. Russia's to get. Yeah. Ever camped out on not believing? That was not a true story. And it it in there. I know I know much much if near. We all live in furniture galley why I'm going to go take a napkin that teacup flour. This episode is should have ended four minutes ago. All right. 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The Bionic Woman

I Used To Watch This?

1:09:46 hr | 2 years ago

The Bionic Woman

"Welcome to I used to watch. This the podcast where we watch our favorite shows from the seventies and eighties and see what we think of them today. Here are our hosts Mike forget and Mike Sullivan. Hello, welcome back used to watch. This. I am like forget. Oh, I'm Mike Sullivan house ago. Mike, pretty good. How you doing? I'll just great. We don't really have much to talk about ahead of time. Mike now mention that maybe we should mention about Peter Mayhew from Star Wars, Mr. Chewbacca himself passed away recently, which is pretty sad seemed like a lot of people pretty broken up about it that a cool stuff from like, Mark Hamill and stuff. So did selfishly put a link to our Star Wars holiday special. I guess. Which probably wasn't the best thing to do. But anyway. Representation of Star Wars right there either. So no. But it is all Wookey all the time. That's true for you. We learned a lot about Wookey. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. A lot more than we really need it to. All right. So what do we have today? Mike today. We are kind of dusting off the Biannic woman and take a look at the pilot episode. I don't think it has an age week, Jamie. This is still favorite song ever. Yeah. I think it's welcome home. Jaime. Oh, is it? Okay. This song is not in it shouldn't. I really thought at one point. It was your pop up. I thought it was coming in one point. Then we should I think we should re record that. Like a cover. I don't think you can make it any better than that. Probably not. But. I don't I don't think I don't think he could that is like perfection right there. She me people people like always talk about William Shatner, making a record and Leonard nimoy nimoy. Nimoy swear to God. I think it was like a like a spoken-word things are something to I where he did one. I don't I don't know. What it is. I want to say, I am Spock. But that was a memoir he wrote. So yeah, I I don't know what his name, what's. But. I would like to get it. I'm stifled by that information. Yeah. Now, it's it's definitely out there. All right. I can take a note. I gotta make a note of this. Go to the bathroom. Based on that news. I have mister spock's music from outer space. What it was called interesting. Yes. I always thought I don't know if nothing to do with our show or the Sepah, so but I. What's different? Yeah. I didn't think he'd like to be referred to as Spock like thought he tried to not be fit. So I actually I was just forgot what I was listening to a podcast. But yeah after that was kinda done confirmed. He did want a separate himself from that. And that's why he wrote a book called I am not Spock. Okay. So maybe later as he got older. Yeah. Then as he got older, he kind of embraces like, you know, what this is the way it is the, obviously if the show never existed probably wouldn't be rich. Got us one thing. Going for me. Yeah. Brace. Oh, he did. Yeah. He did learn to accept it later. All right. All right. So terms with it. So yeah, we're focusing back to our topic. Jamie Sommers a woman barely alive woman fairly alive. It was week. Did you think that the intro? Yeah. Yeah. Like six has his awesome one where he's going in? He's crashing and his little experimental jet. You know, we can rebuild them. This one is just like. Yeah. It was down. It was it was like there was a airplane. She jumped out of that top secret government taxed don't across the screen. Right. And they wouldn't even say how much she cost now. But they did in this episode Oscar kind of hinted that she was not quite as expensive as Steve. So I might have some audio that we'll get to that. Okay. Yeah. Like said professional tennis player now teacher, right, which sucks. I mean, she had it made, you know, even mentioned in the show that she beat Billie Jean King. So when Chris Evert Lloyd's are actually figured Amos's, Chris Evert, then so I I don't know tennis. I didn't even have people. I thought there was just making them up. No. That's what was great about it. They talked about X. She's like wait was that the one way I'd be Chris ever. No. I didn't play Chrissy in that when it was Billie Jean King. Yeah. Beat her. Meanwhile, they're like watching the Shogo bitch. He wouldn't have a chance. We're digressing. All right. So. How does even so they they start off where they want to do a surgery bring her memory back? They think they know what to do to get her memory back. And I think we can do you can be cool with it. You wanna try it? And she says, yes, I got really hung up on this part because. Because it did it started with Oscar dictating a memo or something. Oh, yes. Yes. So he say we're gonna do this highly controversial experimental dangerous surgery on Jamie and cheese. They're going to get her memory back or be vegetable vegetable right now, I can't remember what he said. But he almost like it was it was binary was either gonna work or she it was she dead. You know, like like, I mean, I guess it's brain surgery, right? You gotta connect some stuff rearrange some wiring. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what they're gonna do. But yeah, I did forget about that whole reciting thing because he liked talks about her whole backstory. Just in case people didn't watch man writes. Yeah, this two parter. Yeah. Right. Well, there's there was a lot to cram in here. I thought you know. Yeah. Yeah. So they do the surgery almost like instantly. Yeah. And she's fully recovered. I mean, there's like, no she. It looks. Great. There's yeah. No scarring. They would've had to drill in or something. Right. There might be some shaved hair, right? Which is Abon saw. But nothing it was somehow very orthoscopic. Maybe I don't know. How the yeah. But they went up through the again, and they really. They took care of it that, you know, Mike, you ought to just made a breakthrough in brain surgery. So let's let's bring that up to. I don't know. We'll we'll bring that up mentioned were attending later this summer hosted by Ben Carson. So of course, I think Michael does a surgery if you remember Michael from the doctor stole Jamie away from Steve. Yeah. Talk about like Arthur ethics in the. The things he's you can even see it on his face like because she remembers her high school, right? She remembers like teachers and she hugs, Mike. And then that he's like do you remember Steve? That's like the second is like, okay. We gotta do some tests to see how your member. Do you? Remember, your parents names? Remember, Steve, what's? What? And she's like, oh, my biotic friend. Yeah. Yeah. And about him. Yeah. I even wrote it I go the doctor probably made it. So she would remember, Steve he probably did something newer, what's. So she did have a problem. Remembering steve. And I was thinking, right. He probably did curve that piece out. Yeah. Because that's how the brain works. Just when you open it up. It's all like labeled in this like memories of husband. Yeah. It's just a matter of, you know. Knowing what you're doing once, you're inside. Right. Exactly. The memory of ex-boyfriend, you can cut that right out. Yeah. So that's, you know, Rudy is like the one that jumps into because he's there, of course, he didn't do the brain surgery because he's a just a doctor, right? And he's, but he wants to know if she remembers the accident, and that's when they realize that that all that stuff is just wiped out, which isn't abnormal for a tragic accident people can't remember, you know, part of it is maybe because of injury and part of it's because you're suppressing it. But anyway, but then they some Silla Stanage. Though that you could come up with a surgery to restore memory. Hey, this is why I mean, I can see like if there was some sort of braces on. Exactly. This alone. What does this looks like it should be connected to something? Yeah. Probably talking out of turn because it's probably possible. But I yeah. It's not like going back and say, hey, this TV's unplugged. That's exactly. Reboot. So. Yeah. The show some pictures she remembers like asker and school. Parents Steve's parents, right. Remember, these parents, which there's some weird story there because I'm trying to figure out the chronology with that. Because at some point she talks like she was like, your parents die when she was a teenager. Right. Right. Her parents died, and then she she did mention that Steve fairs became her legal guardians, right, which I remember her parents dying. But I don't remember that being that they were her guardian. Yeah. So kind of like he was shoes. Marius stepbrother, right? That's kenna. That's correct bay. Brady, Marcia Brady thing right there, actually. But she doesn't remember the night in the rain and one point where that was like that was the last episode. We saw right when her by that was when the pretending she died right or actually after she died. Yeah. But you remember that? But she can't remember much of it. She remembers being in the rain, right? Ryan she wants to get working on memory. But you know, they want to take it slow, especially Michael. I'm sure right. I think we've had enough. Let's say, you know, it's not Russian anything. Now. Right. Right. And then, you know, I don't know. I I'm not sure how far along this was. But at some point, she leaves, you know, she's leaving. Right. She decides she's going to move back to. Wherever she's from wherever Steve's from. Yeah. Well, that's later though. Okay. All right. Then I want to the 'cause I got some stuff talk about I so. All right. So we cut to her practicing working with her bags bigotry, she. Okay. So she's out running. And she's in that sweater. That is in. If you go look at any of the toys for the Biannic woman. This is that sweater the white sweater with the strength has stellar stripes on it, you you probably member too soon as he side, and the doctor, you know, he's testing Audubon Chamie come on a mile away. And then she could hear it which is interesting because like, I wonder how the Bina gear works because. So she has to like kind of focused to make it work, right or something like that seems like because otherwise everything would be super. Right next to you. It would be like screaming in your ear. She's a bird goes by doing. She's got she's got to have some control of that. Somehow. She knows when and how to active. From saying like, how would she know that he's whispering? Anyway. But then she runs and jumps log and she runs into him and kisses him, hugs them. And I feel Steve's anger boiling. And he's not even there me too. And oh, yeah. This is when Rudy's quiz ner like showing Earl slides of different like tennis courts. Oh, yeah. That's this core. That's Wimbledon like flat. Yeah. Exactly. And that's when she said that she beat Billie Jean King. Right. Right. And she still doesn't remember the accident and the back in Davidge doesn't remember anything about Stephen their marriage. So they're like, but they're yeah. They're like, we're not telling her. That's that's pretty much the way. Like, I Rudy was like, yeah. I took that other report. I didn't yet. Takes his class out of the classified report that he gave her in. Yeah. And then later Oscar. What did he he's like? I just don't know the best way to tell her. Yeah. Like guys step up to the plate here. It's not that bright deal. I mean, I'm surprised it looked through her folder that Rudy had and be like wiser like a year and a half yet. Right. Due to half. But although I guess he could just say, well, you were recovering during that time. I don't know. But he has so they they don't want to tell her and. So at this point. She's on the tennis court. So she's kind of hitting some balls. Not really a great form for a pro. And that's when ask your pops in which asked her does a lot at least in this this episode. Yeah. Yes. Just like does he have a job because he's constantly like popping up at their place. He yeah, he's in vacation or something because he's spending a lot of time there. Yeah. And he's like, so you're going to go back to be in pro. And she's like, I don't think there's really fair. She freaking lunch ball at like sends it through the fence like right busting through. She's I don't think Jimmy Connors can even return this one I trouble with that too. Because I was thinking maybe there's certain pieces that I think and this is one of them. But I was thinking regardless of how hard you hit that ball. The ball is not going to tear hole in the fence the ball would probably shred as it went would shred through the fence yet. Right. Would not would not Pierce the fence like that. Right. A chain link fence. Yeah. Which actually it gets gets me thinking because last night I was watching the video online where some guys were using different things to launch a golf ball. The try to get a golf ball to explode basically L facet to get it going. It was it was kind of it was pretty humorous. But anyway, but yeah, I spent a good two minutes after that distracted by just the thought turn. Turn to the tennis Vago through the vents. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have the strength to do it. You're right. It would just disintegrate. And this is when they start talking about what she wants to do Dow he's because actually the recording when he was recording before he was even thinking, hey, she's been through enough. She should be left alone. He's telling the secretary or whatever that that secretary. But like secretary whatever of prevent. Supposed to be from exactly. And but she's like, you know, I think I wanna teach again, you know, I used to do that. That's what I was studying. So that's what she wants to do. And but she's a little worried about living up to her obligating because asked her gay rallies. And there's that clip you were talking about so. What I would really like to do. Is back to ohi down some roots. And maybe some old and try teaching again. Sounds wonderful. Good for me. But what about for you? Me. What do you made me? Well about your needs to us. I mean, you got a pretty big investment your bionic woman here, kiddo. I probably cost as much Steve did not quite expensive. I mean, your parts of smaller. Ago her parts are smaller. But yeah. So in this scene, she saying, hey, I wanna I wanna do these like side jobs for the government whenever you need me. And he's like, no, you're done you're done. And she's like, no, no. I wanna do. She's no you're done. So the question and he's like, no, no, really. I wanna do it. He's like, okay. There's like twice in this episode where he just gives up like he's stonewalling. And then he just is. Yeah. I think I have a clip of the other one later, okay? Whenever. Really argue with you. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I thought it was interesting. And I was thinking look Jamie, your unstable. That's why they don't want you you're well she stable now who knows a couple. I don't know. Actually, we have no idea how long it's been. But no, yeah. No idea how much time passed feels like a couple of days and they're like. She's good to go. Right. But but yeah, he says yes, finally and she's already called Steve's dad to come. She's like, oh, I already called to get a pilot to take me home because he was gonna fly back and he's like oh Stevens. No, dad. Yeah. So he's gonna come pick her up and bring her back to a high. And and this is where basically asked like so canoe, maybe teller mode. Yeah. It was uncomfortable. The our family, I guess it would make sense it should come from them. Instead at no. Their holding way too long and let. Rag 'cause you figure it's been again. We have no idea how long right don't ever since the. No, not the original accident. She remembered him after that right with the ban. She died, right? Venture. She died that she didn't remember him. Right. Right. Okay. Let's get it was that law go that we watched that. But anyway. Yes. Mm last where we weren't Oscar. It's like, yeah. No. We haven't told her about the about Steve the like, well, why don't you? Let us teller. He's like, okay. You know? Mike. Oh, the doctor comes with their and you can see like Steve Dag, given the stink. I wanna talk about earlier in your later. So I don't want to say is that she pretty quickly wrote off, Michael she's like, Michael you always be my heart and then jumps on the plane. See her SIA. Yeah. It was. So it's like before she would so tied to him. And now just rakes. Let's see thanks for my brain way. I'll see. Yeah. But I think yeah, I think Steve dad was pretty happy about that. Yeah. Yeah. So yes. So they go to the airport, and are they get to ohi then in the coming off. And you know, no, they're getting on the airplane. They go to take off some weird dudes like at a pay phone over there watching like just left there on the way to. Yeah. That was. Yeah. Like where did this guy come from place? But I guess they had to put some plot. In this episode, the yeah, I was waiting for her to freak out about the airplane to the accident and everything that was good. That was good. But she doesn't really remember that part. So that's fine. Yeah. So then they go to their parents house. She calls a mom and dad to which are mile just let's pause for one moment. Mom and dad sometimes. And then she doesn't remember Steve who she grew up with as her brother, basically, by whatever we'll move on from there. Okay. Well, she. Yeah. I right, anyway, the mind is a fickle thing. So so there at this. She's like, oh, yeah. We bought this mansion we always wanna raise horses, and I'm like this the ranch Steve. Is this his ranch? Like when it came on the market. We couldn't resist it. Yeah. I swear it's the same one. That it Steve bought. Yeah. I think it is. Yeah. And they're like, oh, and you can live above the bar. Yeah. Like, hey, we're going to travel a lot now. So we decided to buy the farm full of horses that we're not gonna be run into care of. And you could sleep about the bar like, right? A lot of weird information can piled into one scene. Right. And. She's like, you know, it's kinda messed up there. But with your by annex, you'll be able to fix it. No time. Like, yeah. I don't think that's what they were designed for cleaning skill by annex. Really exactly Ed at enough you signed Twitter, but Christopher page, our friend from the time Shifter's podcast, even said, he's like, you know, I just recently watched this one it seems like the us a lot of robotics for doing housework. They do she's kind of. That Steve did use them to fix up. The the ranch to remember. He was like biologically song would yell. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's a scene. I don't know if I'm spoiling anything you're looking forward to here. But there's a scene where the the dad comes with the new stove itchy. She lifts it off the truck. So that's, you know, very, dick. My question is how the hell there to get up there. And is that guy didn't lift biotic guy at the warehouse to put it in there. So what it is? It's just like sitting at the end of the truck bed to have. Right. It's like on the edge of like did he drive there? Yeah. Anyways. So what happens next? So they're in the house. They're out there sitting around reading mail like they're sitting around reading mail. There is not much going on in this episode is so far let's break it into parts really happened. Yes. And this is where they have a scrapbook and she's like, oh Jamie's like oh. Can I see can I see and they've already like flipped past one page that has like their wedding announcement. And they kind of like go back away from that. The mom. She gives us like just wet myself stare. Obviously, there's something in that book that you see. Right. So then they start from the beginning and this book so as the front of because it was like a scrap Booker whatever photo, Al I know what it's supposed to be they call scrapbook. But it's got these giant pages these page has like one tiny vote on the middle, right? Is like a four inch newspaper article. That was pretty great. But. And that is like their little their little, and then even had picture her when they're little I always thought of us my daughter, anyway, like what here's Stephen the fish when he's like four and then suddenly like three pages in their wedding announce, I know exactly organize. This nothing else happened. Yeah. I thought the exact same thing. I thought it was pretty funny. Yeah. And that oh, so anyway, so she sees a clip and ammos forget, I have the clipper her noticing that. And and they warned her right? They said well here, I got a little thing here. They said, yeah. This next page might be a little rough for you during Stephen closer than you, Jamie. Jamie next fade, maybe baneful. Where she flips to it. What is? Gonna be. Stephen. I were going to be married. Matcher? She's really selling it there. Prize? So a couple observations about Jimmy. So this this episode and even previously. I think I mentioned she's very perky very lighthearted fun innocent like in her voice. The way should talk about stuff. The. Does a lot of that like pausing? What she talks right for things me. Yeah. I mean, it's affective she. Yeah. She makes earth, you know. Yeah. She didn't have any that her like whizzes causing any pain like physical pain and her brain, right? And she says, no, no. She remembers Steve's debt to me. But. Now, she say that. But she she did make it clear that she feels nothing for Steve. Yeah. She just doesn't remember. I don't remember being in love with them or something like that. Which so I don't know again. It's weird that she remembers all this thing about her parents spirits and nothing about him. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's this is when. This is when later the dad brings stole home. Okay. She takes it in and ask your calls. A check in see she got a job because he's got nothing else to do. Right. And he's he's got a. Okay. So she asked his calling to see if she got a job and then some about the air force school. And it seems like they've already talked about this somewhere else goes cut out of the episode. Yeah. We don't what are you talking about? So. And Steve is in the office with asker, and you can hear him uncomfortably wriggling around in the chair with his leather leather where the mother jacket leather pants. So. And he's on his way to Thailand. But I guess right. Yeah. And I is this. This is part one still right? Yeah. And he's on his way to Thailand is causes a highs gal elsia soon, and I presume that means when he gets home from Thailand. Right. But then we'll talk about that later because then he comes back. But anyway, now she's driving around and this was a dead at that's two eighty or to sixty. Yeah, it's a little dots. It was so cool car like that. Yeah. She had a cool car. And so she got the teaching job. It's only the only one teaching spot in guys like so these kids are little bit on the rough side because a trail around a lot. And I'm like, wow is Tony ravioli ready from grace American hair going to be one of the kids. It's right. It's in his younger days if they would have great success. Hey, hey missing. This is how you. Thirty. I'm tony. But he's like six. That would be a great. Yeah. Like a leather jacket, and anyway, but that was not the case. But so she. So wait till this disguised from the air force school, or whatever is like showing around and like telling her like this close, whatever did you notice? How Hansie the sky is. Yes. Hi, I'm just met. You let me put my hand on your but walking through his let me grab your arm as I talked to you. And then on your back. I walk you through the. Wow. And did you see like how he grabbed her arm to like, hey, come this way, clamp and honor our? Control that I noticed that too. And I was like they sit in this guy up to be some sort of bad guy or something are we gonna watch Jamie, just like fling him across the room for touching her too much because warranted. Yeah, that's bright. Anyway. So she's like, okay. Well, I'm gonna go home and study for school. I guess. And this is when. I put a I don't know if you saw the video clip on Twitter. So this is when the mom comes, and she's like can have have some tuna fish or something, but she has has no Cheka can't find my can open. They can. Due to his user thumbnail on this obviously piece of tinfoil. Yeah. It was it was terribly terribly done. Yeah. It's almost like the prop guy goes. All right. This isn't going to be in a close up, right? Don't worry about it. It's can be like across the room, you won't even tell or like, maybe the prop guy was sick that day. Like some of the intern had to do it or something. One of his kids. Yeah. But it was it was like tin foil wrapped around the top of something. She put her finger, right? So, but she does get it open. And I don't even know why she was opening Canada. Were they going to eat that for? I don't even know. I it's. Attune around right. Because if you wanna get every cat in the neighborhood to come to your house is open Canada, right, especially when you live on a ranch, and then they probably have a bunch of stray cats there. And then James did make a funny joke there where she the the mom is like first of all the mom look appalled while she was doing this which I was appalled. See I'm like, this is disgusting. She opening that with her fingernail like, but again back to your point of the tennis racket. It's still wanted to work your fingernails account ripped up slow. I'm assuming biotic fingernail, right? Like, it's true. I guess the whole arm. The whole army wasn't tissues. So. So. Yeah. So let's assume it's a finger now. And that goes with her joke like she said oh out, you know, the mom's like, oh, do you have any more of those fingernails or something like that? And she's like, oh L S grew de about the parts or something like that. They're trying to be funny, but the press biotic nails. Yeah. And this is where the mom says. I always not have used the daughter, even before your parents were dead, whatever we're weirdo. And then there's a scene. I don't know if you have a clip of this or not, but there was in this scene. Jamie says something along the lines of you know, when I see the pictures of Steve I remember it. But it's in my mind, not in my heart. Yeah. Yeah. I tell you something between you, and I you're you may or whatever it she's host. Sure, she's like. I remember Steve. But I just don't know that I have the feelings in my heart might you just said that why did you have a mission to say it get? Rubbing salt in this poor woman wounds that her look I never loved these debt anyway. So it doesn't matter. Good bet together. What what is going on? But so we go back to the school. So now the first day of schools with these ruffians here that she has. And so one key what shoots rubberband editor backer head when she goes to write something on the board. Yeah. And she turned around and there's this fake kid laughter. Did you notice that was horrible? Panning the kids, and there's nobody laugh nobody moving in the giggles, and it's clearly not part of the audio. Right. Originally was it was pretty bad. So she's like, all right? I'm going to. I know how to get these kids in shape. She's like, hey, can you give me that phone book over there? And the funny thing, right. You saw it come in. Once she said that right? Well, the funny thing is not long ago. Like last week or the week before I was flipping through the channels in the Bannock woman's AB this frequency was on. Really you actually. Yeah. So and I didn't realize it was from this one until it happened. I'm like, oh my God. I just saw this. So yeah. So I have a little I have a little thing in this here where she is. Talking about respect in the classroom. What to do basically threatening them some teachers feel that the best way to get respect from the students is to threaten them. That noise. Facile. Most the time you're not really carried out, you know. And I've always felt that the best way of teaching was the gentle pro. Coach. Crazy. That respect for teachers should grow naturally. Through friendship and trust. And I expect you to be able to develop and understand all this and have that kind of respect for me. So basically scared straight. See this this phone book. This is going to be your little neck. You don't show spine? I thought it was great. It's good idea. Really? Because you're not really threatening. You're saying exactly the opposite. As as you're showing your force. Right. Exactly. You know with the class that day. So I don't know what else happened but did with the phone book. Ripping isn't it like some kind of there's some kind of trick to that. Right. Like where you can tear phone book in half. Sure. I don't I have never done it. I don't know it. But that's. Yeah. And then this and the when the kids start listening. She's like, okay, I want you guys to write an autobiography, I'm like, oh kids love that. Turn your Desi around. And write a story about yourself. Let's get in a circle face each other. Yeah. And then. Oh, yes. So then the that guy that same that Colonel or wherever the guy got the job. Was there the creepy guy? He's like so Strahan's. Because. He's like Hayes. So you in Steve in inches. A I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Just checking what do you mean? Just checking checking cuts right creep. And then so then issues driving home car culture off or cuts another car off. They goes like around her right than someone cuts him off. And he gets pushed off the side of the road on basic car burst into flames right away. But then they keep showing this camera. Yeah. So someone's recording are now doing this on Mike ways this the Bigfoot people again. And then they show the TV. Yeah. There was like Chris very crisp picture on the TV right than the rest of that beset. I was watching. Really wants once again this camera. One single camera can capture a lot a lot, right? I mean, you just keep on camera. And it's that got I don't even care if they set up multiple cameras. There's no way they would get different angles going. That's really good placement. Because they yeah. Close up of her in the car window. Yeah. She rips the Kardar off the guy like looking at the putting thing is is like so this guy, this is advocacy. We find out faked right purpose for her to do this staged. Yeah. And like we, but this freaking car really blew up. What if she didn't get out of there? But she just kept going. Car expect sucks to be you you cut me off. I'm going. Yeah. So the guy did get in a real accident in probably did get hurt. Exactly. She's like, okay. You stay here. He's she's like I'll go get help. I'll be back. I would see no cellphones. And she comes back seemingly hours later because it's like midnight now. Yes nighttime. It's like it was daytime when this happened. And now it's nighttime. Yeah. And the drivers like. What's going on? There's nobody here. Yeah. Yeah. You sure you didn't forces car off the road. So then we're back at the what somehow back at the airport. Like, oh, we have a surprise for you. And there's this fighter jet coming in. Somehow. She knows it St. flying end. Let Steve the guy can barely remember. Yeah. Again, they talk about. And now they're walking and talking and talking about how they grew up together. Again, they are ten years apart real-life. So right. I know they try to keep saying that they're the same age. But. Jamie still looks like she's like eighteen in the show. She's I mean, I forgot what was early twenties. But she's really young looking like fifty already, and I know he's not I know he's like he was like mid thirties. But again back in the day people aid act to us. We assumed everyone was older anyway. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. She's talks about how she knows that the engagement. She's feels awful that. She can't remember. And they go to see the tree where they carve. Yeah. Tree. Yeah. Where the carve their names, and she's like you tried to hide this for me 'cause member they went there that went up sewed after. The which. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then they show them like putting their hands together like on that spot on the tree. And I was thinking I like half expecting Steve to like by honestly, rip the heart in their names off the tree as the hand was run road away. This is how I feel. Bitch of the ground. But again, the talk about Steve being Thailand. And you know, she goes to see him off. And they kind of have a pretty passionate kiss for someone who can't remember. She's like, let's have let's be a new beginning. Right. Some new beginning. Right there. Right. And then this is the NASCAR says, hey, I don't think that accident was an accident. You think something's up and he wants to relieve? But she's like, no, I don't wanna leave and she wants to make a Stanford south. She's like, I'm not gonna leave just because somebody's trying to kill me. Right. And this is like, right. This one. This thing happened at their parents house, right? Like multiple times in the scene. Oscar walked in and out of the house. I'm like does this guy have anything to do with? Yeah. Right. Why is he there and plus nothing is secure if if someone's really trying to kill her, right? Exactly. And that's how it ends. That's part. That's part one by one year. That's a hell of a cliff own hangar. What you know, it goes to it goes through the old guy in the car in the limo. And then it says to be continued like what why is that seemed to be right, exactly. Though, my gosh, I gotta know where this guy's going go into the airport galax, rich. Did you see that limo? I can't wait to find out. If that guy has a TV in there. Yeah. So yeah. That was it. And then. I don't even remember how do you can start. So it starts off with Jamie driving, and like the desert, basically. Okay. And there's a there's a thing of the radio there talking about Steve Austin getting grin reception and Thailand. What? The American astronaut in Thailand their big hit. I guess so we before we before we go on. I forgot at this one point when the previous part when they're talking and stuff they go to a swing set. Do you? Remember the song? Yes. We did not skip this. So he says something like some I can't remember what it was. But something about how he threw a frog on or whatever she said, he did they're running a lizard. Yeah. Says she did something to him. And he's like, oh, I got back at you. Put a lizard shirt or something. Right. Exactly swing. Yeah. And he sits down on the swing, and then we gotta look I got a little clip of this. 'cause I talk about this second. Aback? That's an awful thing to do. That noise is him out of school lunch. The. So let's like the one that every kid tries to do. Right. Is try to swing on like a full three sixty on that thing. I thought she was he sell like like a like an old jet. Bomber something when she pushed him I'm like going to go sailing forward like. He holds onto the change. And he does like he swings over. It's like five think he did like to loops around it too. Yeah. It was the most ridiculous. That was the best. I was laughing so hard, and I don't think it was meant to be funny. It was crazy at least in that funny in that way. And then I think she had some flashbacks while he was like upset down. Right. Yeah. She remembered him being like a little kid. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. On the swing right that same swing still there. Twenty years later, not rested. Bents pretty good forty. Anyways. So now now she's driving and her breaks out. Yeah. So this is almost immediately after Oscar. Yeah, this is right. This is part of I trying to kill you. Okay. And he's like what if this? What if you're in the middle of an accident? Can you handle it? She's like, yeah. So yeah. So her breaks are out in the solution is not don't turn off the car. Don't try to run into some bushes or something but stick your foot out. You know, you're buying a foot with some Santa Lonner. I don't know what it was a high heel shoe or something I don't know what it was either. But that she would have been shredded it was worn down. But I was Elting it would've gone down to her her biotic foot the flush would have been torn off and the metal been like grinding the pavement. Yeah. And the meantime, someone is have in the bushes with a camera again. Yeah. And there's a camera in the log to. So there was like oh was there yet? So you can see from Malayan goals. Oh, I didn't know the Cameron the long good. Maybe I just made that up. I don't know. No. 'cause she was looking directly at it. Yeah. And I thought she was actually going to notice it. But yeah, but then she comes home and. The mobs. Like, oh, ask your called a check on you. What does this do? Due to Oscar. He's like becoming a problem. God get your own kids Jesus. Yeah. And then he's like, you know, she tells the mom about the of the accident or whatever. And she's like, you know, the problem, you know, is my favorite shoe or my favorite is. She's like. That's crazy. Your cut your break line or whatever. And then Oscar eventually tells her that put like a charge in her break line or something right? Yeah. Like, a remote charge. So it would blow it out. Yeah. But before that, she goes to her place to call them, and she can hear by honestly that there's a phone bugging her. Yes. She so she. Yeah. So she goes. So she tells the mom the collar from her phone her phone bugged. I guess I again, how do they bug her phone whatever figure? Figured about the phone at a residence Yuna bug on phones. Right. Yeah. But then we find out through asker that this guy that we keep seeing which we probably should recognize. I guess was the guy from the refinery at that last episode with a diva. So once he said that it clicked right? And now granted this wasn't like the next week after that six million dollar man episode. I don't know how much time passes in between it, but the regular viewers would have forgotten with think, I'm sure that's why he says it, you know, because this was like a mid season replacement which which I read about I guess started taking over from to comedy shows that have never heard of before. So I guess they never came back. But but they said something like how he's a he's a, you know, he's the bad guy. But he makes good with bads hard to track. He's got good businesses and shady businesses, and he kinda mix them. So it's tough the tough turn down and yen. She doesn't think these trying to killer. He's she's like. Yeah. I think he's testing me to see what I'm capable of right in. At some point. We meet his son too, right? Yeah. But that's a little later. All right. I keep thing pointing I think he might have been like visible, but he didn't really like I'm excited to talk about the sun because he was from some Disney movie from like something. Look up. Yeah. Like when it was really young. He was from like some other movie. But I and I didn't look up either. I just remember that from oh back in the day from the real thing. Yeah. Memory may be failing me. So I could have just lied. But that's as far as you knew you're correct. So that's not really I'm gonna look while you talk. Okay. Stall forms. Stretch. All right. So anyway, yes. So this is where they talk about the now Oscar shows up there again because again nothing to do. So they. He thinks that this guy wants to buyer or buyer out or have her work for them or something like that. And so she comes up with it. And she's like, hey, I got an idea. Let's again idea I got little player that here. Why do you test drive a car? Because you're thinking about buying it. He certainly has the money to make you a good offer. That is what's on his mind. Why don't we make it a lot easier for? Jamie. What are you talking? Well, suppose he thought that I was fed up with you, and the OS I it would be a perfect opportunity for me to go right into his campaign or I'll wait a minute. He said yourself we haven't trouble getting a man in their movement would probably have a better shot at dreamy. It might work. All right. You got it. That's one of those days where he talks where he just like gives up. He's like, okay fine. Yeah. That's what I he's very puts up a good front in the drops it. Yeah. But so anyway, so they have they have this fake fight in the hawk 'cause she figures that just probably somebody watching around this base. So they have this fake fight. In turns out, the janitor is clean in the same spot on the floor for like twenty minutes. Right. Making it obvious that he's listening in in fact, he's probably been there all day. Right. He probably even heard the making of the plan. But the that's the funny thing is like, okay, we're gonna do this planet. We're gonna do fake five Bubba. And like the first time, they do it. It's it it's fine. They don't have to try it again. Yeah. And. So this is when she gets a call at home from Oscar on the bug phone on purpose in he offers her nineteen thousand dollars a year. And she's like, what am I buying a cocktail waitress? I wonder what the going like average salary. The nited states was at that time nineteen thousand was probably not too bad. But for being a secret spy, that's not good. Like average person probably wasn't terrible. But then she hangs up on them. And then like she hangs up shit. I'm sorry asked you know, that really like that. But you know, but she was she was like, overly polite. You know, and then we cut to the two guys listening, and it's the dad and the son. Did you find out who was from down still kind of look, okay? And. So they're like walking through the forest. I think where they don't there a setting up other cameras or what they were doing. But he's a pay. You've been kind of quiet since graduated from law school last week. He's thinking of doing government work what like he graduated last week. Although I would say most lawyers don't have a job set up before they even dealt law school. I think so what was what was said last name. Do you? Remember, who's the rich guy in a son the Bagai? No Elgin, was it Elton. Okay. Because there is somebody named Elgin. Hell who's Helen? Okay. I'll just get. I don't know. I don't know what their name was. Right. Keep going. Never gonna find this guy. Okay. Was that? All right. So they they're talking about that. And you know, and the son wants to work for them. But he's like, hey, you gotta do jet work is I I can't be. I just got a law school. I can't be breaking the line mmediately, basically. And and the kids got kind of like a good streak in right? Like you want right. Yeah. What do you call that? Like. Idealist or something. Yeah. Exactly. And I'm like this guy is at least forty years old. It's coming out of Las compa the way. Yeah. I mean, I know law schools low longer so you come out a little older, but not forty. But is like she's going to realize her own net worth you know. And they're gonna be sickly make a good. So they they set up a meeting with her and like he calls her is I got make it worth your while. They, you know, meet me in the alley behind the Bank. Right in twenty minutes, or we'll never talk about this again. Yeah. Exactly. And. I dunno. She's walk into the Bank. Then again, I don't know why. She and dry. Oh boy. It's right shoes breaks curves on audit commission. Yeah. So she's repeating it our heads something about like how to get there. I don't know is weird. But then she's there. I guess she's walking through there guys. Like, all right. She should be there. Now, she should be far enough in now. So they come barreling around the corner and this giant limo trying to turn. Tip it over and the kids like dad stop. What do you do do you run over? Then the other car van comes their way. She has nowhere to go. You'll see you'll see he'll sit in and then she basically jumps over onto the the railing. Fires ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So she jumps to escape and then like. She kind of looks down. Right could job. And then they go to breakfast. I don't know. Yeah. She gets out of the car. Like yells up to her like, you are extrordinary or something. Yeah. What? And then. Good. And then yet, and then he basically like make certain offered a hire her to do to work for him. Right. I like showing her the tapes that they recorded. Yeah. And you're like a regular Alan fund. Does the nice reference to like, yeah? Which no one. Now what happened? Efforts are one million dollars. I'll do acquires she has acquired some things. No biggie. And basically it says you don't have to you know, she's like I'll get some clothes now. You don't have to leave. You can stay right here. Got all the clothes you need. Because they have to like pretend like they're going like some party, right or something like that. They were going to some formal party where she needs like bus through a. Yeah. Then then I'll say right up ahead. But like, he's she's got steal something still something there. Right. And the kids like sweating. I keep calling the kid. I have no idea what his name is. I know. I can't I can't even find him. I'm like, I d m m DVD, and he's not I can't find him in the list for that. I really, okay, I see the old guy way. Maybe this him. No. Can't find. I don't know. Yeah. But anyway, he goes and shows her like where closetful closes, although the guy the dad, and he goes into Kissinger's Guo. Hey. And pushes him away. And he's like, okay. Sorry. You know, she goes and changes, I guess and she picks up the phone to try to call somebody. But she can hear that there's a bug in there. So I don't know she just decides to stay there in this dress. I guess and go to the party and. Then we cut to her parents house or whatever. And of course, who's at the house again, ask her. Okay. Yeah. 'cause he has nothing else to do. I mean, I guess he's worried about it. Because they haven't you know, they started this thing and he hasn't heard from her. But it's funny. How much they like incorporated him into this episode and how little Steve was incorporated into it. Right. Right. Exactly. And you know, I could see them like wanted to make him as a father figure, but he she has one. Stepdad? It's true too. Many of us in fact. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it'd be a grandfather figure, but. So the guy that kidnapped on the door. Hey, decent. And he's got an awesome talk side, and that both Hugh data, and she's glad to get to, you know, talk a little bit the not much really happens at all. And he's somebody I, you know, happy or something about no, she said somebody he says somebody his dad, you know, not being that nice or whatever. And she's like, well, I don't care as long as you keep supplying me with stuff like the jewelry and stuff that she gets right? And he's like well, but is it necessary. And she's like, what do you mean? You're a tennis pro. Now, you're teacher. Would you need this stuff for? She's like, I don't know. It was going to have more these true if she was a tennis pro and the top of her game like she was she should have a fair amount of money away. Yeah. You're so. He's like doesn't really make sense. Don't you have like an Adidas contract or something? Yeah. Right. Okay. So they go. So they're going to in a state of this guy a Butler. He's a developer. And they have to get plans for a thing called project rebound, and it's Gordon jump is the guy member w care. Diane big, I, yeah, he's that's his house that they're gonna go. Right. So. He recognizes her as tennis pro whatever. And she's like, I retired. And so he's you know, trying to get some tennis tips. And kinda putting the moves under Neil the guys get this. It was pretty funny. Yeah. And. So then she slips away and goes the room to go get the stuff and so. I don't know she rips this lockout. So the kid is by the way following her. And he's like peeking in the door like some two year. And how can she not hear that with her cure? I don't know. Well, again, you know, it depends what she's doing. But so she has she rips off this like lock thing on the front of it. Right. It's like the sparks flying. And oh, yeah. He's like, I hope the electric barrier bother you. Yeah. And then she goes in and just rips the door off on Mike. Why does she have to rip though thing off then she ripped the door off is just gone right through? But yeah, she just peeled through that like metal safe door. Like it was nothing like pay brea. And then she takes the project. Rebound papers. It's top secret navy thing then she sees pad of paper on the desk. And she bound glee writes, no, it sounds like a typewriter like super fast. It's just says like the kid, and then the kid goes in and takes the no and just says the call asking or asking. Couple. That'd be great to have a crossover them. Oscar mayer. Oscar at hours I and they just figure he'll know who it is. I guess, but he takes the note. And so then they get back together the old guy. He's like, hey, we're gonna make a great deal of money together. He's like next missions tomorrow. He has the plans upstairs follow, but he wants her to stay for a few minutes. So. Wants a son to stay back behind for finish. Because he wants to talk to him. Right. So she leaves. But only goes half way out then this with their buying a year. Right. She's standing right outside the door, basically. Yeah. And then she listened to them talking about stuff. I don't even know what they're talking about is this where she jumps up. Then she jumps up the stairs. When they start coming out the door. Yes. She like Joe's three floors up to her. Yeah. But but he doesn't give the the note to his dad. He's going to he's going to rat on Jamie. But he changes his mind cause he sees the plans or like some top secret stuff. So I think he's getting nervous, and they has some then I think the other parts are gonna do they say, and I'm kind of going kind of fast. But this was a really, I don't know. Anyway. This this episode. This whole two-parter was all backloaded like all the stuff happened in the last twenty minutes like the first forty minutes. Nothing happened. So they're going to get some sonar device at one of his company makes. I guess that's what the problem is yet because they're going to basically make money off it by selling to the government. Right. So. He says he wants to talk about Jamie. But he wants to check a few things out. I as the kid talking with. He's basically what her deal is. He was going to blow the her cover. He's like he gave it a kind of a second. Right. Yeah. So this is when she you know, they go. Hey, let's go see she's ready and she jumps up the stairs. Because she's supposed to be getting dread. Yeah. Now, they then they show up at some lab, and she goes into her own like broad daylight just kinda running across cameras like follower, and I like to she did karate chop the fence open it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Butter. Yeah. And then she's in the one thing getting something and her son shows up behind her with a gun. And the meantime, wasn't Hertzel was his son. Yeah, I'm sorry. In the meantime, while she's doing other stuff the old guy is inside a safe. With other other dudes or whatever they're showing her off. Right. Like, she. So this was kind of like a play like he he like tricked her into doing this. So he could show her to these other people to try to sell her base. Right. Exactly. So ask your that. We cut to ask you're showing up at the other that contractors place. He wants to check in the guest book to see if anyone's there, I didn't notice anything in the checkbook that really set it off now. But anyway, so the kid hazard dry the vantage mode sponsors, you're a spy, you're working for the eyes. And he's you know, he's kinda half. Glad that she didn't sell out that easy, and he loves his father. He wants to protect him. He can be warm and compassionate. But the kid overalls kid. Yeah. I mean, a good forty year old kid, and he wants to do the right thing. So she pretty much easily persuades him. Right. Right. Switch sides or whatever. But but meanwhile, Oscar dumb ass tells us guy tells the big I from W pre who they still the plans from like, hey, yeah. I've got someone on this case. So we got someone on the inside, basically. Oh, yeah. That's right. Because he tells the. Because then he calls up, and he's okay. I'm calling on my colleagues who are in industry. Just letting you know, I got robbed and Oscar saying there's someone got someone on the inside. So right the bed. Oh, this because this part here. That's why they weren't on the inside that was later. And but he does she does tell the kid that her dad is killed his dad is killed some people and doesn't wanna believe it. Right. Like, no. But I'm telling you the truth. So this is when they say, okay. The last thing is tough. You have to get an envelope with a print security aboard in there from electrodynamics, which I think ends up being one of his companies. Right. This is where he goes inside in. You know, he's like, wait, five minutes and come in or whatever. And. The kid is in his office looking through the guys files and sees it as dad is like super bad. I don't know what you seize files. He keep files on like we killed. I don't know. He's got files on himself killing people, which is a bad idea for anyone out there. Right. And then you know, he's and he's trying to tell us kit. It's a cutthroat business. Whatever right can happen. Sometimes you got to kill people. Yeah. He's like if you don't like, you should leave. But to get biggest score, I'm like, probably, Jamie. And this is when you see her jump offense and runs for the building. And they're watching TV again, this what I meant before last time. Yeah. And the basically leader to vault in their in their waiting for and they wanted to basically take her apartment physio. She works. Jeez. And but then the kid comes running in with a gun to save the day. He pulls lexical out of the wall in which basically lacks them in. Right. And he's like, you know, she's like sorry after caller was I under dad, and it's ended abruptly ended. I think get. Get. Like, no resolution now. Yeah, you're pretty much. That's that's it. It was thought there was going to be like an epilogue where they show like Jamie back the house settle in going, right? All right. This is my life. Now, my classes getting an order and no, Nope. Just sorry dad's going to jail fam-. Yeah. So yeah. Overall, not the bad. Not no not the best. I'm going to guess that. This shows got better. I don't could be wrong. But I think. Again for the time. I think they would have trouble. With Jamie being lead not that they can't have shows women lead. But like her being like. They were seem seem to try to add on. No, we'll see. What happens? Yeah. I think too much like like we were saying too much housework with -biotics. Yeah. So I was thinking it was Eisenman was the kid, but that might not be him. But he was he looks kinda like him. He's he was a kid from escape from which mountain or return to which or whatever back when we were. Oh, you think oh, okay. You're saying the little okay. The kid in that little kid. That's a girl who was. Now, Jim Richards or whatever the other one. Yeah. Girl was but she's from the real housewives, man. Yeah. Did not know that. Well, she's not anymore. She was not one of them. She was I can't even find db anyway. Yes. I believe. So. Yes. So this is not great. I it's not I don't know. It just there was too much in the beginning. Where didn't really have any point. No, no. And then it was all you're right. It was all crammed into the second half. Now, you have three tests. It's like some sort of Greek mythology. Three tests you're going to have to pass three level this job. Yeah. And then just like bam. Bam. Bam. Bam. All right. He's arrested. Now, it's over. Yeah. So, but yeah, there's some other episodes that I definitely want to see like there's one where they meet Bigfoot again. I cannot get enough. A big Foot's. There's some fem bots one where they have these like robot women that go after ask your and stuff. So really that sounds good too. Yeah. Yeah. I see I see more of the ban equipment in our podcast features. So. Yeah. Just because it's kind of weird. Yeah. Anyway. So yeah, that's it for this episode. Don't highly recommend it. But you should see it. Yeah. I mean, it's Iconex. So you can't you have to see it. Right. You know, you just gotta take it with a grain of nineteen seventies salt. Right. Exactly. But anyway, all right. So we don't know what we're doing next. Right. Right. Keep it that way. And we'll announce that we do. Yes. All right. So remember to check out I tunes and all the other pod. Catchers out there. Google play Ron Spotify. Ron all the good stuff. Please read it review if you can Reading's appreciate. Yeah. Facebook dot com slash I used to watch. This Twitter's used to with the number two in the middle watch this Instagram. 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49 Mansour Bahrami (Part 1)

The Functional Tennis Podcast

45:00 min | 1 year ago

49 Mansour Bahrami (Part 1)

"Monster by Rummy on your listening to functional tennis or cast welcome to episode forty nine of the functional tennis podcast brought to you in sociation woodhead. Who MAKES THEM AWESOME TENNIS RACKETS? I fabu molly your host if you show welcome if you've been here before high hope you're doing well so this week. I'm really excited. Have an episode wit Monster Baramula. I'm sure you've heard them or seen as videos or seen some of his crazy shots at one. The Grand Slams are legends are champions tour. He is the guy that you'll see hidden like running backwards smashes tween owners. He's always entertaining crowds. He's known as a master on a genius to his peers and he has a great story. He always wants to play tennis young kid in his home country in Iran tense was seen as a Western sport and was banned. The most he could use a young kid was be a Ballboy at a tennis club but he always found different utensils to us to try and hit tennis balls and that's where he built up and eventually got a chance to play. Only sixty seconds later to be kicked off the court and beaten up by guard. Finally country recognized his love on passion and skill of the game and he was allowed to play tennis and eventually made Davis Cup team as a sixteen year. Old Only a few years later tennis to be bond again so eventually he found a way to escape around onto France on there. He found more difficulties and challenges and more exciting stories until eventually made it after Turkey's onto the tour and he got to travel more. It's really fantastic. Episode with many great stories are really hope you enjoy part worn combat for part two next week. Finally we are giving away a copy of Mansoor his book. The court jester all used to do is leave a comment. Say how much enjoyed the episode under our latest? Instagram account post over at functional tennis podcast and will announce to winner in a few weeks. Okay and let's start talking to months sewer high monster. Jeremy It's a pleasure to have you on the podcast. Thank you very much here. How are you doing has confinement? I'm lucky to garden so I can go out. There vets exercise to whether the possible to do when. You're confined in lockdown so Is Pretty good on outlook denounce sixty days? Well when do you think you'll enter stage? The next stage well. The next thing is the eleventh of May in three or four days we are allowed to go out been in hundred kilometers from where related the but you know going out to play tennis going up to everything is closed the bars restaurants of Ostia. Everything's closed except ordinary shops. And everything you need to go buy closer everything so I will definitely go out but not for long. So it's not GonNa Change Not GonNa Change. Unfortunately the tennis twice as old everything is is council for the older. I had the good to scheduled for this year but now like ninety. Nine hundred percents is counseled. So that's terrible and you're in Paris. Where would you normally play tennis? Where would you practice having? Practice is stadium. That's normally I practice. Mitch's National Tennis Center that it's only open with for the people for the play as who are the top French. My is on top juniors who are trying by on their the French Federation and the Unlucky Day except to go on practice their side. Nice kind but he our Grand Slam finalists. There aren't chip. Yes absolutely that's just one of my best results on proud of that because My Best Years Mitch. The Best Year of spokesman is between twenty to thirty years of age about me from Asia almost as twenty twenty one to extensively. I couldn't play on. I couldn't compete in the professional tour. Because you know you have to travel around and my Iranian possible of not allowed to go anywhere even now I cannot go on accepting neurons so yeah. I lost my best years knock playing tennis and I play chess years old things. Leeann through east down and everything inventor intervention jollity than it was easier to go out but I was already tool. So that's why I may be my best results. Use FRIGEL confined took three years low ready. Roger Federer wouldn't agree with you. Now Rose I'm the of Roosevelt Think he presents me. Value Admire Admira. His work he I mentioned many was eleven years old but he he's essential but if he couldn't play from edge twenty to thirty if it was a come down to stay in in Basel from twenty to thirty. I don't think he could do. You need no no. I completely agree with you before he can do. Let's talk about the early days before we do that. Where did you meet Roger? Federer's and eleven year old Roger Further. Put me in two thousand and five. I remember in Nineteen ninety-two played in Basel. I play a special ceremony. The Jimmy Connors and in two thousand five. He was on a Friday. The second Friday of he was playing against his semifinal against Sebastien. Grosjean I was playing on the senior tournament that that Friday of the two thousand five in begun second Friday. It was a horrible All the replay only on sets. You know that's nothing. It's rang stopped than stop Iran on. You're going to get that. He was cenacles on. I was going Michael's to play mind much. Every talk to give it out and in the locker room and he said to me After three or four times going Union member ninety ninety-two. You said yes sure. Of course he says you've been very you played with me. I said the idea remember. I played the kids. It was pretty good but I know I didn't know it was used as it was me my sewer out there at a photo. That's in the middle of Jimmy Connors on anew. Hit some bullets you guys Vice Nice. Hit some balls to me and he asked me if I want that photo and I said I would be very very happy talk. That's looks awful. So a couple of leads every source of unaware and they didn't get into the visuals. Kind Nice opinion is as NAS. Manzo are used that Joe for three months. Let's boot camp now and I that the heat the book scalded number one and he. That's a full going there with the story of the now. I remember the photo where it is you connors and him in the middle. That's doing the rounds on social media for a while now. I completely forgot about that. That's too nice you can see. Further is unbelievable is smart is versus not much inched. Students is great yet another change and you mentioned your book. I came across your book. Yes a court jester. Yes I ordered it yesterday so I'm looking forward to reading it and we're going to give away to one of our listeners here so stay tuned to the end and I tell them how to enter so looking forward to reading that interesting book people to to read. That's incidents is nice and okay. Let's take a backseat early days. When you first came across tennis when was that for five years old and my father was a gardener in working in the in the biggest sport complex Was called Amjad Stadium. That was in Tehran Audible only place that behind tennis courts. So tennis was in new sports and for the rich people. So I start you know looking around. You have a very small room. Which was two meters on the ground and that was given to us by the Director of the stadium on the world other people who are working in the Stadium Day were in the sent attrition. As US. They had a small room. We were family of Seeing sometimes eight people you know so we have this. Motorola which was like hundred twenty square feet on I was my brothers and she said my parents that was our house our living room and through everything and so I thought working on seeing the basketball twenty fly every sport that you can imagine inside was no problem but every time I've ended the tennis courts that were kicking me Mike Butts and asking me to go out so that's why I just said why I'm not allowed to play. And they said you're not allowed to come here. This is for you know resentful to people so that made me modern on and much more keen to wanting to be a sports attorney slaving. Any office was prominent by tennis lowest. Ronin me to play so I said well you don't want to hear I've learned to be here so I came coming back They said okay. Listen you can come here as Broadway. You can bulwer for the people but you're not allowed to go to the tennis courts to play so I said that's fine. You know on full. I was working there from five in the morning till a under go to school and not four o'clock in the afternoon. I come back. I'm going to vote waiting for people to seven eight tonight on the that would be like divorce rate for that. I was getting ten cents per hour blowing for people. Just picking up to trust people. Watch pick-up also take a day. And that's what's From edge five to h thirteen. You know and Just looking at how people of blatantness on I was learning from them. It was making money which was good. I was trying to thinking that I'm helping my father because my father was making Von Day working fetchy pounds. A month civil. That was one of the reasons I never asked my father to buy me a rocket or something because she had to pay two hundred pounds to for by Iraq cancel. I played against the all the best place I was. I was lying. It was the free swimming pools down on or John. Guns you know the international Tournaments of swimming one for the kids on one open for the public to come on. They're paying twenty cents to come all day save serving on so the woman for me was then in the end of the autumn. When the any was the swimming pool was empty. I would go in Baltimore. Pool and hit against the wall with the dusk fund or read a piece of peaceful. I would find on the floor and I will stay there. A non play hours to theology. Four hours I was loving it against instable whether dust on new frying Pan Willett. I could use as a sometime. Just the palm of my on on That's how I allow and we. Actually we have a question for one of our guests called armor Lee who lives in Princeton New Jersey on these actually from Toronto. Originally I'm my name is really living in New Jersey. But just like you. I grew up in Tehran. I also play tennis in. You've always been a huge role model for me I'm thankful to functional tennis for organizing this podcast which I'm very much looking forward to. I was hoping if you could share some of your memories from the time you were in Iran playing tennis. Where did you practice? How many hours a day did you practice. Who were some of the people who influenced you and where you do doing your trick shots even back then or is that something that happened later in your career. Anything you can share. I'm sure would be appreciated by certainly by me but most likely by many others. Many things you for me was a game These to become rich because new tried one even I I. It was just because tinged one beach play. I wanted to please. So that the Trishaws was I tell you something about this trick. Shots to people. Sometimes they ask you. How did you or I have coaching one life? I everything I do on core. I just learned myself unknowable. Six seven eight years nine years old. The other kids boys who are As I was there were not allowed to go to the tennis court suit. There were bullying for people to sometimes we have this night. People with Q ten cents or twenty cents per hour of they will guy he was few new only two cents on two cents but as soon as he brought his facing Tennis or the world was running away and hiding on the you know hiding because nobody wants to this guy and the SA- director. He knew everyone hiding so it was so anyone defense got worldwide. He would pick you. Go to say the guys paying on two cents. You know so. I can't just shut up and go on mobile so we had to do that. So coming back to your question tennis. It's just a game. He was just a we. Were playing sometimes with my friends of the tennis courts. We would go and find the piece of Rope prompting to make a net ourselves the with cast on the floor. Do the Lions unplayed the me. The Don may part every piece of fooling on. Just try to do long distance between our legs behind our head of back to the nets and and be more just having fun and this state no one ever you know had the courses earlier. No one ever told me muscle. You cannot do this you know you want to become a yet. You have to play for every every empty points You not allow Stalls for me and I remember when I was an older one of us. Twelve ten eleven. I was eating against a wall and I was doing all stop and some people will just cross us and they would just say that for like half an hour on this off and just brides that they're asking me doing anything special but then you know. I stopped playing. You know later on just is to play so I will do this then crown lauded and Metoo so you know that's It wasn't very easy was actually very very hard in the beginning. We actually got a tennis racket and could play legally. Let's say look I rocket is been twelve years old. I had the this guy who was like kind of my idol. I was bored waiting for him. He was getting Was One of the Best Irani. Anthony US his name is He's locked up to seventy today. You know I saw in two months ago when I visit my family. I saw him on the to get there you. I talked to him every non then so I was going for him. I would send the bull in different spin on to him. You would go to grout bowl and the breathe. The bull would spin differently. Sometimes he was an he he lock me very much You know I- lachey menial that I was fan view as myself. Okay I'm GonNa give you a good gift if you could send the immutable Zuno. Right nano seeing so I said I. Can't I try to be a boy by then and the listens on. I worked seven eight dollars for he on the after the end of the end of the day. He gave me a Raccoons he says. I know how much you love to other. Y'All give your rockets. Those efforts the rockets on the it's was such a great woman for me and I just couldn't sleep like I bolt in other rackets on a string of myself with the strings that I have find in the pro shop that and I did myself was really something a imaginable something impossible to play but Kendra attendance with two rackets. I'm like dreaming about illegal. On Roland Garros. Unlock a lock on woking Great Lettuce on one of my friends said muster. Let's go play. There's nobody here. He was in August oculus. Forty five degrees really forty five degrees. You would be very very hot people at that time of the year that just stop forking everything that stopped under. Just go home on their lunch. Us T for five Ben is cooling dumb and then they come out on to come to life and so we've into the tennis courts Both of us he was allowed to play. I was not one in the afternoon. We have thirteen course. Old Accords were empty. So I said greatness. I'm so happy to go to the court. I just imagining in my head. I'm going to play the final of the French Open or and come to the courts. Envy hit for like maybe fourteen maybe minutes and so after one minute. I see myself surrounded by by the guards on on just trout and and one of the stops me on. He grabs me and he hit me six times on the floor. I swear to God okay. I'm GONNA die today. This is thus a my my my life and I can't live anymore. I'm bleeping Auburn. Slower is big on on the see the guy going towards my rockets and I said I said. Please don't touch my rockets on the guy gave me a very nasty back. Luke. He just he put the rug on the on. The staff smashed these foods in broke them into undocumented festival. Memory of my first rackets. One of the tennis players is is friendly. Said not the guy who was in national team whose name is out to name as he helped me to be home on my brother my older brother who is also now seventy five years old and the so me on can pick event crazy because like ten years before that they dissenting team. They didn't allow him to play. You wanted to play on bus. She's after yes. He didn't play tennis but he was ready. Big Help my brother for me on so he came and he said. Who's done this to you? My Sky who took me to my brother. Said is fully resolved on this so he knew I it is. I'll be back on. He just invented Dennis Card. I'm the guy was there on here. Just punching chiefly in these mouth enables just three or four. A tooth for the people who came being people came under the odds a shooting. I've done these kids really. I cannot believe what you did on. How a forty year old man can do this and twelve years. Old Kids do now. I was just not fair. Is Guys so much longer than me? So but devil's Devil's history he was Lou. Brits Little Bits compensating men are so my brother. Keith bought said he said you guys. Didn't he told the guy he says you guys them me play so you know. My brother was twenty years old and says if you touch once more my brother if anybody touched my brother wants like the I you know I destroy you touch my brother and again so that was the story of money rackets and then you know months Gone Than One year. Later I have to adopt Old Drawn on the infrastructures. You have a lacking usual in England in Germany. The guys who played for example for our national teams like my idol lock. These other guys are playing for one split waiting then. Were in the same situation as me. Ten twelve years earlier. Them are old boys so now on thirteen. I'm the federation needs. The new generation to come up because the generation before me was just giving all that so they come to me on. They gave me two rackets and they said muscle you know. Here's to Ruckus from now on. You can just go and make your reservation and play as much as you ones as long as you anytime. You are priority on everyone. So that's why I have. Reading infest then to brand. New Rockets is strong. The proficient or not proficient Team but in a good way for me. Evan just ended Hitting the vote is like Beating already dip Playing for prostitutes in ten fifteen years. You know so. It was much easier ones You have a reader rockets. The you know a frying pan dust on the order or a frying pan panel was much easier on. I A trick shots and everything of us doing almost fifteen fourteen. Everything that I do today. Then you playing Australia This I was doing when I was twelve. Thirteen fourteen of you know. Uh Yeah so that's Just because I never had the coach and one day my friend. Yannick Noah was the interviews on the subject of Us me the Janis told him. Yanni twenty thing. What my Told me. This visions is a very good friend. That told him what you think about muscle. How the coach? What would be the coach or something any said you know what I think. I'm happy that he never had the coast. How did he coach Play like some players you know so. He said that he didn't have coach to be honest. I really think I'm Happy Valley because I'm very happy. People Jimmy every day when on planes they just they say. Thank you on behalf. Good time see this face My days made you know on his a good day for me on dusk more important for me than You know if your on hockey to to gain money to for dot but seeing this in people's face is much more important for me. Yeah really. It's a bit like you're an exhibition. That is your job. I even think top leads to top tennis players. It's their job to entertain. That's what they're re. I noted there to win collect big prize money but ultimately when you have a big stage like that you are there to entertain a crowd on. Everybody has their own way entertained. The crowd so I think you've done amazing job and as I said before before this anytime we put up one of your videos people absolutely love your fan. Base worldwide is amazing. So yes you definitely. Put a lot of smiles on a lot of faces. Thanks I'm not cheating on. I'm not faking. All I'm doing is a great time event on the tennis court. To be honest. I'm only tennis courts. Went on to sing. That's the only time in in my whole day. That's the only time I'm just hitting Saudi blows without doing any trick shots or eighty you cannot find one not one one person spanked a few months would for example practicing than between her or that. Bica the box to the net overhead or the vaccine. You not find one because I'd never practice those shots Only with extinct. Tv invent on on the court vendors crowd. I lost to do If there's nobody I just don't feel like any Sunny Johnson will be. There's I do want to be on the so you won't be playing any behind closed doors. Tennis Exhibition matches known none. And tell me so at sixty. You Play Davis Cup. Yes that must have been unbelievable. I I started playing on Manella. Sixteen hot was a three or four times top. Three four new wrong. Yabe started to play at sixteen at the seventeen eighteen. Were some people who are ready for me. Great people about honesty stealing contact. It's one St denied Loving on I talk to him every week. If it's not every three times At least once a week is Steve. Talk to The Zoo York. Just people emmy on. They said wealthy once. You know two three four play as one of them was me that wants you to go. Unplayed speech ornaments on The pay for everything on. We don't want you to stay here. Invest your time giving lessons to to the ordinary people. So so I stopped going out and playing in seventy six. Seventy eight to seventy nine than seven nine beginning Sunday nine. Everything shut down because of the revolution in Iran on my career. Stop there the we have the one of the biggest tournament in the world in Iran intent on was called Arya Matt. Caulk this was Tober Just just before the Madrid tournaments. I think that nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven was the last time we had that tournaments and the Shaw. He was helping sport. He was trying to bring us up on an in the do the best that we can be everywhere. So he was encouraging sportsmen on also Teddy's about the seventy seven was last time we organized that tournaments on seventy eight and ten days before the tournament. They conserve team and from then on. Megyn play these anymore. More than the rival off. Islamic republic. Everything was officially forbidden on so I for like three years. Threes and not hitting one vote and then of US Bay lucky after is enough. Not Hitting One bawled. Vive are every day begging Ministry of Stores to organize its fundamental to play. You know there are so many families living off and they said American again we don't bond son. They tried to even football everything to stop it out. Stop an off. But they did for tennis for four five years but then eventually we you know said belong to make a tennis tournaments cold revolution COP on so they've found the accent but every day every moment the could have the pasta which is the Jarmusch. She guard the guard. They would come any minute on say. Okay let's talk everything so we will be played tournaments on with really our heart beating like three hundred times in on though unrefinished. Tournament doubles unbased. Set The the prize money would be returned to get to you. So did I hear that. You said you're at the time. Go to Europe and she told you know no you go. That's absolutely true. Well I I got to on the ice. It was sad on attend. Tyron for us. Iranians like old Venue save in Iran. You're going to grow your business visit. His London is piracy is wrong is. Geneva is frank is Hamburg. You know nothing for me was like I said once again two hundred Jensen so they give me this to get on the Niger My girlfriend I said to her. You know if you want to go you can go on everything go bust through extending. Change your mind than everything. She took the to get into two days later. She came back. She says Have to find the way that's UGO on not to use to seek it. I have I have done all the research I know for. If the five hundred dollars dollars we can have you know Tehran. Two niece from niece. Who Paris Irish Jewish? So I said that is if you know I you go on issue instead then a county join you after this. You're trying to questions on star one in the tree years that it took for that tournament to come alive. Why did you not decide to go to Europe? Beforehand was a money Reason all the borders were closed. Even though you just leave like that. I hadn't by these. The I had the visa from nineteen seventy seven November to November nineteen eighty-one American visa for years multiple Injury on everything. But my first choice would be unethical but the Americans said no. You're not allowed to come to the states United States even though to have their valid resolve. Visas are old councils. Because they had the American embassy was taken hostage by Islamist students. So there was to hard diplomats. You know the guys who are working at the Embassy of America they were. They were hostage for one year. I don't know if you saw the movie argo is very good movie. Yeah I was intent on them. I was Devon left. Ben The Haagen. I will reading watching the news every day and so I couldn't go before otherwise when this tennis tournament took part in the border situation had changed that the waters were still close. I had the t cats but I couldn't go. You ought to hop avenue the reason that they could allow you to go so I was lucky I was renting there. I was lucky there was whose name was sudden or did this on. He was like the right are told the Khomeini knowing facility but I I had a very good friend of mine who was in this own promptest onto the university with this month. The new Foreign Minister Mr Became new fineness. That it on so I said to my friend whose name was resolved. I went up. You Guy your buddy is you know Foreign Minister maybe you can help beat to leave this country. I have to undying. Yeah I have to go. My job is to tennis and I I have to go. I cannot in this year I cannot survive and he said give me or gave again my plus work in two or three days time. I have the authorization to leave the country. I have these for fronts unforeseen incident. Okay I left great. You must have been so happy. Just can't add it there. I was really happy to leave at least try to off because it wasn't I left. It wasn't that easy. It was the beginning of my. You know sometime nothing to eat for days. Sometimes north receive for nights so I took my flight from Tehran. Six to cough an attempted. I was In landed in this south of affronts I had. I had a suitcase with some tennis. Close some closing on Mount v two rockets and I can do the nece airports. I could speak French so I'm speaking English people on Have on asking things. Nobody's even looking at me. You know I say I did I can get for. What am I going to do? I can one war even looking at me saliva into the you know the Therese Office you know you can ask you know For Hotel Permission. There was young lady To excuse me. I'm looking for a hotel. It was an eighth of August. Nineteen eighty that place is just. It's just so many people usually Niece or something like a hundred and fifty thousand people. Living there are two hundred dollars. The Dan decide the off to so so the Loft Iho August you think. I can't make Miracle That's nothing so I said came on after the airport at port. Dan for two years ago and he was very tiny was lucky Today is huge but then was lucky. Big House so I came out on Friday. I was on the palm. Not Song Lay on the beach yet on the you know I walk in cone. Not Design lead in the street. They're the big street which goes to this city and I see on my right. I see at the beach. All these women playing a beat. It's talk less. I you know Czestochowa everything out on on. Just pinching myself. I'm saying I might dreaming true many times. I cannot believe you know when you live in an atmosphere for three years three years you'll leave atmosphere of QC only Morelos evening in television talking about slum all the time you forget what GonNa what's happening. I knew I knew France that was one of the reason I and not to England. I knew I knew. I knew Germany's switched on this Bank of America so I came to France because that was the only country after America that I played tennis. Tournaments that are you can. You can be like five hundred euros to play on tournaments. I said that they can. At least I can play tennis even though it has not proficient hundred percent and based on money on survive. And see what's happening you know. So this is what happened. So I'm walking in this on. Not Designed now walking on our working Suits on and his larger forty degrees. I'm sweating lucky dog. On an unthinking why shall with I king yet on Carlton Fronts which is like catching hundred euros. This is all up eight hundred pounds something like that so now. Twelve thirty is about three hours later after some landed on Hungary just so I see one of those sending you the streets sandwiches and by streams and water side by gossip but lots of water on a Sunday each in this shirty something go so I one of these. The cost me like almost fifteen twenty francs like other. Naw Two pounds and I say to bounds too big for I have eight hundred you know. So how am I going to leave here because the hotel food and everything so I I'm really lost on thinking? Thousand Things and walking walking walking on one enough to is sits in one of those benches bitch are especially young niece. My boxer deceit and in front of me on cross the street. Icu Casino holder. Okay interesting so island and I say this is a sign for me because commits eight. Hundred dollars is nothing I can do. I can maybe stay if I go through the cheapest hotel if they will eat the cheapest food. I can't stay maybe ten days maybe twelve days twelve days. There's another way I can find a club who wants to give me a coach John or a club For who might come play the club matches because this is was this is what I was looking for so I sit intuitive trump. This time is not enough so the bathroom for me just to go to casino. Try to make it the fifty thousand francs and in this case I can make yesterday twenty months longer. I stay better. 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Meet The Author - David Savage - The Savage Path: A. Memoir of Modern Masculinity

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Meet The Author - David Savage - The Savage Path: A. Memoir of Modern Masculinity

"What does it mean to be a man. We'll talk about that on this episode of the mind dog. Tv pockets Yet another episode of the mind. Dog tv podcast. I'm napa thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always kind of are you. You're not a real man. That's what we're going to talk about tonight. We're gonna talk about men talk about real men and what it means to be a real man and what what means to be a man just what it means to be a man a lot of Really complicated discussions around gender lately. Yesterday i had a program on a young lady who has a an organization which is meant to empower girls and Give give girls courage and help them be more successful more ambitious more Empowered in what we call a man's world and so When i bring that up a vet discussion. I think it always sounds like we're hitting one gender against the other whenever we take Aside and say you know women's rights feminism I always feels like we're in. We're shining with a man. Hater's club to me anyway and same can be said of any issue like when we talk about black lives matter and we hear people saying well all lives matter. Yeah well you. Kind of deflating the whole Discussion there by going there. But it i understand that some people when you take one side's position on any any issue it sounds like you're pitting them or against the other side and we never wanna go there. We want some clarity about this. I personally feel like we might be over complicating issues with gender issues I really care about what goes on with me. My wife my family But i know we've been hearing for such a long time now. And i see this all all the time on social media or and i heard it in regular discussions long before there was so many to yeah had a real man A real man wouldn't do that. A real man does this real man does that and we hear that all the time and so we become a little bit confused about what masculinity and what manliness is all about My guest tonight is written a book about that. And we're gonna talk about that in just one moment before i bring him in to Talk briefly about some sponsors Tonight's program is brought to you by card cash dot com. What is called cash dot com. Well i'll tell you what card cash dot com if you don't mind Founded in two thousand nine card cash cut dot com provides an answer to common questions. What can i do with all these gift cards. That will never use how can easily save money. Called cash pays cash for unwanted gift cards and then sells cards at a discount. Make money save money. It's just that simple card. Cash dot com. Now there's a lincoln a description. I know promo code needed. I do appreciate you patronizing card cash So please check them out. Tonight's program is also brought to you by fun. 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We have a patriot on page and at the beginning a level membership which is just one dollars a month you can get all the episodes of the audio podcast without any it's completely ad free So it's a great deal less than a cup of coffee a month folks in no more advertise titus for you to listen to Until if if the advertisers in this time is important issue you can bypass it go. I patriot page link is in the description now onto the big program as i mentioned. We're gonna talk about men. Men men men men men men men just lost plus my copy here. I need my copy. okay david. L. savage is a west texas guy. And if you know anything about what texas you know. That's where real men come from He's written a book called the savage the savage pass a memoir of modern masculinity and. That's exactly what we're gonna talk about. Tonight's a ladies and gentlemen. Please open the it open. You might help me. Welcome in david. L. savage to the mind dog. Tv podcasts david. Welcome thanks bye. Glad to be here in Hemion on a very important topic these days. It is a very important topic. And i think it's a very confused topic. I know in the summary of the book read something about toxic masculinity and. I'm wondering if it's your position that there is no such thing as toxic masculinity. 'cause i feel like there is i i just think it gets overused and We call us things toxic masculinity that are just being men. But i do think there are some situations where it can get out of control and and generally doesn't have happened from the most manly men. It generally happens from a lot of guys. Who really aren't what i would consider manly men when when we see the kind of behavior i'm talking about is as toxic masculinity. Let me get your take on. It doesn't exist at all and what your position on that. It has an i usually. I believe that it's a men who are trying to overcompensate because of some insecurity you know or make fatherless-ness because they're angry and there is a lot of confusion. Unfortunately you were of the generation where does least fifty percent or straight. Lot of work. All his alcoholism. Just even. If your dad's at home he may not be available to you and then you're not getting the attention. The mentoring are you know back. Just one hundred fifty years ago. We were an agrarian culture and you Apprentice you meant to work with your dad and so it is. There is toxic masculinity. There is You know just using your strength your physical strength to oppress people under certainly unfortunately a lot of stuff going on right now because of the pandemic where people are at home that domestic violence is up so it has exist. but i also believe that The feminist agenda has gone too far. You know they gained a lot of ground they pay issues. We've got women that are leaders of countries have got a woman vice president now in you know they took it to a militant level feminism. Were now everything. Masculine is just attacked and we need. We need healthy positive masculinity which are the attributes that dealt men go and fight wars and do courageous things and lead and do the difficult. Thanks while i i. I agree with you nine. I'm going to get a lot of hate mail on on. But i'll take the hate mail. Don't senator david senator me info at mind. Tv dot com Feminism we hit feminism. All time that's that's a word now never was a word until our generation. I guess i'm guessing you're somewhere in my generation bears lows report so i would say that wa- generation invented that word. And i think just last week or within the last ten days i invented the word masculinization and a you don't hear it much but i see it came out of my mouth in context with a lady who i had on the program who is a she's a podcast cooking show host and a lot of things influence there but she's also a former adult point saw who is just a Had a baby boy straw her about this because on her podcast she made me a gave me the impression that she was what i call a masculine est which we don't we see a lot of men who are feminists. You definitely see that guys who fight for human rights believe in the cause of feminism. You don't see a lot of women who are openly a publicly open about fighting for the rights and not so much the rights but the The right to be a man and the right of masculinity and and she having a baby boy. I think changed her position on that. Made a realize yeah. Men are just as important as women. And i do. Think you're right that feminist movement which started with the best of intentions Went off the rail somewhere and it became like a male hated club. So i'm wondering how we get back to and you brought up a good point about the role of father and we'll get to that but your ideas on how we get back to that Equal ground well. You know so. I have a daughter. I don't know if you have children. But i was talking to her about When she was in high school and she's she's adult working on and she had a friend that a invited her to prom but He had no plans he really didn't want to do in the girls. Now these days really run. Everything about promised very orchestrated. Everyone gets the stretch limo. There's twenty people and it's not like you and your date and she was kind of enjoying that relationship in high school where she made all the decisions in basically she had all the power of the relationship. And i said you know but this young man you know. Just look the future. Let's just say you get married and the and you have a problem with utility bill. And someone's gotta go fight for you gotta do all the fighting. You know it's like you want a man to fight for you. And i tell you what i talked to a lot of people who have a global job. I've traveled all around world all cultures and there are a lot of town. Did beautiful young women who are like. I can't find a guy that is worth avenue or who. I'm not going to have to support. There's a real of showers pool of been that women want and i can see where this This one that you mentioned you would be advocating for masculine ism. Because women do want good strong men they want men to go to battle for them and let's face it. You know these days you call for customer service on anything and you get the press star. Estes we just have to fight for so much more. I wish it wasn't like that. But the so. I think the way we reclaim that ground. Is you know we have to repair some of the wounds. You know that there are responsibilities. So you know you gotta clean up your side of the street. I write i. I agree with you on that. I think that the the line that she she told me she said women have come a long way too much help anymore. At least in the united states men seem to need more More support but worldwide. And she's right about this. She said in. America women don't need as much they've made great gains In a job world in personal world with the gaining power and respect and all that stuff but worldwide. It is still a big problem. We see Big problems especially in like the third world countries where women are still treated like property and all that stuff so there. That's what the feminist movement was intended to kind of address as that issue. I'm sure you wouldn't want your daughter ending up You know treated like some of the third world countries treat women like daft to walk behind the man after that face covered it all times and all that kind of stuff so it what starts with the best of intentions sometimes can go wrong. And i think that's where we we are and who you know i think again from our generation you remember the Probably remember the the term battle of the sexes and we talked. And i don't think it has to necessarily be a confrontational thing. It can be would just need to first of all. Open the doors of communication about what's really important and you mentioned your daughter and i don't want to get to this now. This the whole idea of women like making the decisions when they young but once they in that relationship for a while and what. We're going gonna go out for dinner tonight. What do you want to go if women will and this is my experience in may and you can comment on this women. If you don't know where you wanna go It's going to cause a problem. You they want you to take the lead at that point. They're expecting you to be a man. And so i think part of it is. Our culture is beaten out of us. We think now that she's supposed to make the decision because Teenagers and all all that were adults in all. She's expected me to be something. I've been trained not to be or how about dispensing discipline in the home. You know once you start raising kids That's also something. The traditionally no failed to to dad. It was like you know. I'm the son of an air force master. Sergeant in his authority was unquestioned. And he had strapped on the wall and it was represented corporal punishment than and the it was swift sure and so we respected that. But you know again. I think there's just a lot of things about the roles you know you mentioned the battle of the sexes navy. Thank jimmy connors. Billie jean king plan that dennis match. And it's you know we're not up against each other in the even children today. You know the first thing they say. Let's play a game in school or something. It's always against girls boys against the girls in. That's it's too pervasive in the united states. And it's not like that in europe and others the world it seems to be a uniquely american and maybe it's because of the achievement of women. But you know you look at the wonder woman you know. And captain america's even a woman now is just there we're not even portraying any male heroes in anything you know. We have a bunch of guys in beer commercials that are clueless than dads on television trails. That are clueless. You know that's not the that's not kind of in our society needs. Yeah i i agree. I'm culturally unhip. So this was the first time. I've heard that captain america is a woman now I'm i'm shocked visit movie. You know all these superheroes and so you mentioned In in passing before a baptist. But i think it is the core of of where we are. Part of. our responsibility comes from is Relationships with father now. I had a terrible relationship with my father but i did find male mentors and and Men that i could look up to as role model. I think that's important. So there are increasing numbers of broken families and single parents and split families and like that. So w- How do we get back to Back place with fathers not. Don't advocate their responsibility. Even if because i don't think divorce the the problem with divorce rates. I don't think that's going away anytime soon. I think there will still be broken families. But that doesn't mean you have to stop being a father to your children. If you wanna give me your take on any of that. I would very much like to. Because i'm an advocate for an organization that Came out originally in early two thousand minutes attorney and now it's evolved because of the word fraternity can ads negative connotations. But it's called better man in who doesn't want to be a better man in the biblical based in talks about these wounds that there's these five wounds that are possible. Some men have won some have three some have often it the one that we all have is the depravity woman which is our sinful nature. And so you know we got that one. So we have to kind of overcome that but there's the Over bonded mother wound the absent. Father wound the all alone wound. And so we need to get together as men and kind of talk about these things and help fill in these gaps. So in being divorced myself You know we were. I was engaged to my wife now married eighteen years and we we formed stepfamily class. And if you look at the statistics. Eighty five percent of second or subsequent marriages fail united So that's only fifteen percent make it and we really wanted to to make it in so we formed this class and the men would get together and most of the time we were talking about three issues with blended families in its is disciplined. It's like child support and you know dealing with the expounds on visit in custody issues and so you what we learned is that some guys grew up without a dad. Maybe you know you said you had a tough situation. They never went fishing. The never shot a firearm and so they basically want to secret these shortcomings and don't want other men to know about it. So they channel themselves you know lopsided proportion into something else and so this group you know. We had other men who was a police officer. This guy had a ranch i said. Hey let's let's go shoot some guns if you've never shot a gun in your letter gun or clean gun. Bill will teach you how to do it and then we teach our sons in. We can kind of help. Stop the generational cycle. And i think that's it's it's effective. It's worked in this organization. Better man dot org created by robert. Louis is fantastic. And is that a nationwide organization or is it began in about two thousand is like i said it's minster attorney and he's you know spoken about it and they have a affairs. Something i also did with my sons are mentioned in the book they call it christ in the tetons to the father son adventures and so i took two of my three sons and we spent a week in jackson hole wyoming and each day we would do some high adventure. We went whitewater rafting on snake river. We went a rappelling and rock climbing teeth on national parks then each Each evening we'd have the seminar formats sometimes together and sometimes we'd have the father's just by themselves to the sons would be by themselves but we talked about his biblical definition of manhood. Is you know you reject passive. He accept responsibility. Lead courageously than live your life for the greater ward god's reward and that's the man had definition in my family and you need to have a significant around it. You know so when you become a man you know with this vantage bench. Yoke the show with that. You know there's for mitzvahs there's ceremonies in other cultures all over the world. Have you ask any american man you know we did you become man you know. He couldn't define it in this case. You actually have like this ceremony in you know. It's it's very formal insignificant and You know then you can say hey now you can call me. And the other men in my circle by first name and it was all kind of foundational. Buki called the raising monday night. And you know he said there's you were thirteen. He became a page. And you just polished armor than you know when you were fifteen your squire and then you would go to the tournaments and handing his weapons and then you became a night and then a marriage was basically you know when you actually became full began. Your life is a family person you know. These were kind four stages of manhood as a parallel to tonight and the but you knew the day that you became a man. And i think having some kind of ceremony and i have a chapter in my book where i talked about some scouting experiences in the or the euro tap out ceremonies which were extremely significant. Things are meaningful and man. There is a deep hunger for things like that. I think you know across every sector society. I i think you're right I know you were you live Or you're still in west texas. I guess i'll cut houston area now. Okay so east texas but where you where you grew up is definitely bible. Belt is part of the bible. I went to school out in eastern eastern new mexico and spent a lot of time in west texas. I know the area well so it will. I'm why i'm bringing that up is the area. I'm living now in the area. I was born and raised in is extremely catholic and so we copied bat mitzvah cup with confirmation catholic confirmation at thirteen and so that was supposed to delineate becoming a man but we didn't take seriously as the jewish culture that but we bring up this This organization that you're part of now and you say biblically. Based now i last night. We had a program on the rapture and my guest is a strong atheist and he knows that i've expressed it mike expressionist that i'm a christian. I'm just wait the worst christian in the world and no it. I'm a born sinner. Who was a helpless center But i'm trying my best big christian but my question to you is Do you need to be necessarily a christian or your closing closing the doors to non-christians In this organization or is it open to anybody because when you put biblical on it it scared some people away. You know that yes yes. It's not it's not it's the truth is biblical but we're all centers. You know the furious ost enough to own and metoo than we struggle with that every day and so you know like this quote churches you know. It's not a museum for saints. It's a hospital for centers and so of course it's open to all and you know i think right now. People are really hungry for something you know. More promising are hopeful. And it's okay to question things because i can't definitively prove one way or another. You know if god exists by making something appear. But all i can do is give. You might test million housework for me so my book you know. The theme throughout all book really Chose to make it a memoir. Is i believe. God has a purpose for every man that's common and then you have individual giftedness for your talents guitar in the background musically or whatever but the the common purpose of we have is that you know we all to find a winter love a work to do and a will to obey. God's will my case it could be your own will but Usually you'll figure out like i. Did you know that it wasn't going that well when i'm doing it all myself and part of the discussion now i know again. I know this is going to raise some hate mail. But i'm willing to take it. Is this idea of all of a sudden. I mean you and i were raised in a world where there were men and women women and they will hermaphrodites but they were special people but they still Were either classified as male aphrodite. So a female mafra dates. Now we are seeing Three genders there's however many we decide tomorrow and I is that an issue that confusing men as to what it means to be a man that this whole political uproar about gender gender rights. Trans people This idea that people are not can be not male or female but some something else. Well again you know. Pay mail whatever but you know myself with that. We were made in god's image and we were made male and female and it's and if you look at nature you know so just forget about it just nature all of nature has male and female and the other thing is that I think that there's a bit of dark agenda on us because sex isn't for recreation. It's for reproduction. Continue the species. You can't just decide to be something else in you know. It's horrible if somebody does not like themselves. When their image bearer of god. I think one hundred percent of the people on this planet or image bearers of god. They were made perfect now. They might have some psychological problems or you could have a hermaphrodite which is less than a fraction of a percent of the people. But you talk about the tail wag the dog. I know we got all society. They can't use personal pronouns at universities. Now because i have you know. What am i supposed to call this person. They're taking vocabulary way. You talked about confusing manhood in you. Know what happens when you confuse man will then. Then you're out of the game. You're just sitting on a bench of the sidelines as far as society's concerned that's that's the work of satan. There is evil in the world. And he's got a plan and it's just basically to keep us away. Well i tend to agree with you on that. And i something i bring up a lot is. I'm confused by the nature. Of even i ask people about this the time. And that's a whole other discussion. Of course but i do believe that There is an evil force now The question i always ask is are we born evil or do we acquired it and because there are there are influences and pressures from society that can turn a can bring out evil in in a otherwise good person. I believe that. But i also believe that. I've seen instances of people who displayed extremely evil behavior at a very young age for me to think they couldn't have acquired that they couldn't have learned that king non too early. I'm talking about people. Like hitler jeffrey dahmer so i. I'm just like where that comes from the nature of evil. You mentioned satan. If i bring that up I generally will get like a ton of hate mail on that whether satan exist but the nature of of evil in human beings is a conundrum to me because it does seem again some of us are some humans are born or at least appear to be born evil others can seem to lead a good life and something made them turn evil at other points. Do you have any insights on. Do you think people are born evil. You think we will have capacity for good and evil. I don't know if i would say that's too strong. Said just born evil 'cause that discount blames it on something else and you know. I think that's the whole problem with the psychiatric professions like whatever your perversion as you can just say i was born that way and then you get pass and then you get you know medication or we're not supposed were decriminalizing things. So i think we're born sinful. And then you know you can lean into that sin and embrace it and i have i have in my life and like i said i still struggle every day with it and you know sexual sin is what men really struggle with the new book pornography today in how i mean. I can't imagine what would have been for you. May we were fifteen. You know to have the access that young men have today into. Try and abstain from that so there are things that feed that darkness. And so we're all a product of our diet. So let's say you're born with good and evil and then you're given an evil diet you're going to be able person born with good and evil and you're given a good you're gonna be a good person and the you know. I think it's kind of how we choose what our diet is. And we have that. That's the choice that we're giving Part of this discussion about masculinity and Men's about what our roles are supposed to be in society We own a lot of that but and you mentioned responsibility and of course we are responsible for it. But i wanna get your take on on women because i i had a woman on the program who was supposedly a relationship expert and she told me. Don't let women define what a man should be for you. But i think society's women are in some ways doing that putting You know they want men be more sensitive more metro sexual with your right in touch with the room zones or whatever but as soon as you do that you're not you're no longer attractive to that same woman who told you she was looking for those Qualities in a man so. It's really confusing. It's always solely responsible for this or is that message that Women are kind of putting out there is that does that play into it all and if so had we not listen to those careful because we need to listen to him and we we like them at we want. We want to be with them. But i would say it again. I'm just gonna go back to what my definition of truth is and You know the the the original sin of biting the apple was trying to be like god and then you know later on the bible. God he delivers occurs. You know in men after throw the ground and women have to submit to men. And so there's there's some biblical attention in the male female relationship as a result of that because they do have a the bearing of children until it in the past. I would say up until the nineteen hundreds you know. Almost all the world women had to be very covert about their power so they had to manipulate suggests in. They're very clever very talented. They're they're they're wiley and and and men were more over. You know it's just like okay. I'm gonna club you drag you by the hair. My gave the caveman days. But you know if it's overt versus covert you gotta think about how many generations of these behaviors you know that. Have kind of reinforce all of this. And i read a terrific book just the last year or call the righteous mind you know why good people you know can't agree you know over politics and religion you which is what we're touching on here but He talks about a terrific metaphor. He says that the your your conscious mind is really you know very biased toward your family of origin. However you raised your values and basically. It's it's like the elephant and then you have the writer which is kind of how you're deciding the officers. Can i go where he wants to go. And then you're you're the writer is. Is this a rational mind kind of justifying the decisions. So let's say you. And i want to go do something and the wife's have something else on the calendar and say well i'm going to somehow find a justification rationalization. It has called confirmation bias. So what we do is we. This is what's happening in the media. You know our were splitting our whole society in we're getting these news feeds that don't really That's why i love your show you know. It's this independent. thought that sabio critical thinking. Let's let's debate the ideas. I willing to be swayed one direction. Another with articulate good arguments. But then i would like for you to respect me and listen to mine and then we exchange this thing and that's that's been lost that's a it's unfortunate but this confirmation bias is a huge problem now because you know it's just feeding. This is what i wanna hear. It's reinforcing what i've already predetermined To you know factual in my mind. I appreciate that opinion. One hundred percent and thank you for for the compliment on the show. Welcome back tino. It's been a while. I'm talking to the chat room. That tina's in chat room is. She was been missing for several months. We'll get to your question in a few minutes. The please hold on. I want i want to talk about something else. But before we get there You mentioned I think this might surprise you a little bit because you were. You went back to All the way back to the garden of eden. And i had a dr joy jeffries pawan who has written several books about the end times believed these are the end times now but we went back to original and she talked she told me. There's no mention of an apple in the bible. And i you know what i. I haven't checked. I haven't come back to the book of genesis in read carefully now but she She gave me the claim that the original sin was a metaphor For eve sinning committing adultery with satan himself. And so that just totally blew my mind and and kind of made me rethink everything. Everything i've been taught about the bible. I just putting that out there. So you some food for thought i gotta check on that i gotta go back to the book of genesis now and read it word for word and see what it actually says about even the apple that surprised me a great deal But they've also told me you know a speaking to And that role beside of by the way the role of minister woman in a minister's role was not. That's something new. That wasn't part of a long time ago. So we're looking at that so her role in in talent and giving me advice on on manhood and what it means in what you call in times Would in itself is a different kind of Idea of women being a leader in the church I'm just want want to get your take on that where where women take on leadership role in the church. That a good thing. I think women are very spiritual. But i think honestly they they are more emotional creatures and so they tend to make decisions more with emotion. Where is the men are like okay. We compartmentalize their brains in. It's like or mission oriented as sometimes you have to take emotion out of decisions or you don't make good decisions so that that doesn't necessarily apply to clergy. But i'm i was raised methodist Texas i was confirmed. I have all catholic. Friends went to catechism in all that stuff too and baptize the methodist church. Then i became a baptist in in two thousand. Actually two thousand and part of it was because the methods church had a doctrine at it's called the book of discipline and they man they they haggle over every single word there. They have a general conference every four years. And you know there's there's language of the bible is quite clear about homosexuality and other things in so when it starts to get all gray and we kind of accommodate. Well then you're beginning to accommodate other sins as well you know. There's there's wrong. I'm not judging anybody. I i'm on a bunch of the time i'm a simple person and i struggled every day but i'm not gonna let somebody rationalize you know their sinful behavior. You know if. I have a gambling problem in. You have awesome problem. We can justify this to one another and say well. I was born like this can't help it you know. Then then you're you're just opening the door for all kinds of justification of sinful behavior in i to go back to your apple questions quickly because it says in the bible you know. Do not eat from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So i i don't know what is the apple or not but it was the fruit into me. It's kind of interesting that you know today. You look at the back of our phones. That's the apple with a bite. I bit. We're trying to god because we want to know everything. Let's just ask siri or ask alexa in. So it's interesting you know what a coup winky dink it is. It is an interesting. I don't know. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. I used to before. I started doing a podcast. I don't anymore because things just lineup in very very strange ways for me in doing this podcast. you know. And i've said this often. I guess pick the dates. They come on here. They they inquire for a guest interview. But i let them pick dates and often without any intervention by me. Things will line up where we were talking about the same sub subject over a short period of time consistently or things that tie into each other just like this and and dr jefferson. And you know the to- the topic of masculinity has come up a lot in less two weeks in and gender roles and all that stuff. I don't think it's by coincidence. I just. I don't know what to call at night. I hate to try to figure it out again when it comes to face i'm a very weak unknowledgeable person. I'm still trying to figure things out as my struggle with my face. Daily minute by minute. Trying to figure out what's right and what's wrong so but i i don't believe in coincidence. I wanna ask teams question because you've been patient and aren't you put it out there so let's let's She said. Do you believe that you choose to life path before you were born. Sometimes i do believe that. And sometimes i don't know what what do you think that the that its chosen or predestined is. He had the Our our path life. Do we choose that before. It's a chosen for us before we were born I would think by your previous answer thing. You know The argument about i'm born this way. Which by the way i would agree opens the doors box to I was just born a murderer But do you. Do you believe that our past is predestined. No i'm not a big predestination. You know i'm not a big fake person. You know because the it again in my view that that too distant god you know it's like okay you know. This is the programs running. And i'm way off here the future and you know my my face is god's available to me every day and that's where i go to him for strengthened for you know the holy spirit for discernment for wisdom that you're right. There is no coincidences. Our whole society is really count wondering you know about the because of all this confusion. So there's all the stuff out here all right so the hit my book. I'm a chemical engineer. And i use the illustration of motions if is motion is a mixture between So when it's almost defied like between by crude oil and water which is my business. Yeah it's just a black that you couldn't really discern it from oil or or gertie water and it's so i believe that. Today's generation is being fed a diet of an emotion between american exceptionalism. Which you and. I grew up with an american guilt and we need to break that emotion into the two phases that really exist or well. 'cause we shouldn't be feeling guilty about things that happened two hundred years ago. You know i mean it happened. It's history you know. Do we need announced that. That's how history repeats itself when you forgets because any forget the lessons that you learn from it too right right. I think part of that problem is some of the monumental statues and things seem to be honoring some really bad people. But that's that's a whole other discussion but you you brought up homosexuality before and i think part of the the male Being a male being masculine as having a certain degree of male physical contact not in a sexual way but men having physical contact being men with each other. You know playing sports and all that kind of stuff that requires mel physical contact. I think the advent of and again. I'm gonna take the hate mail on this but i think the advent of Trying to make the world more. I'm more open comfortable place for people who call themselves are homosexuals has made men homophobic in the idea of that Healthy male physical contact. That i think it needed to develop that male psyche. So many of us are now. Afraid if i if. I if i give david a hug. He's gonna he's gonna think i'm gay and that kind of Homophobia does play a part in us not being the as full land as we possibly can. Do you agree or do you think plays any part in it. Oh no. I definitely agree. I I have a little movie list that i developed a because you know you're talking about you know we're divorced in. We don't have custody of our kids. You can still be a good father. So i really put a lot of effort into being strategic about parenting and you know especially when your kids are teenagers. You know they've heard all of your lectures before and they just kind of tune out. But i started watching movies and i would I would pick movies. That had real positive good messages. That would create a teachable moment. And so i have a list of about twenty movies that i call like manhood movies than i have. Another list is called adventure movies. 'cause i love adventure outdoors and surival and But these men and movies you take the movie russell. Crowe master commander. There's almost not a scene in that entire movie where there's even a woman in the film except for briefly when they have to restock the ship and there's some tribal women you know sell on fruit on the side but the whole rest of that movie is about this kind of brotherly love. This come from robbery singing joking warfare you know together and There's many go back and take another tour in iraq or afghanistan because that's a special bond. You know what. I was in a fraternity and i love. I mean brotherly. Love all of my fraternity brothers. Having that relationship with other men you can on at trust is essential. I think you're right and so if it's a you know questioned than at you're hesitant you're already have this kind of all alone working in were more and more. And then you know the that's when a wins because then you're taking out of the game you're just being neutralized right. Do you have a copy of because of not. I'm gonna show a screen share of a case. So let me let me up. We go like this and let me let me solo you so we can show the book. There is cause havoc past. There's a link to it in the description And people can get it also get it on the website which is going By scroll bottom is called the savage path dot com How long read is it I think you can read the whole book in maybe four five hours. You know yes depends on how quickly read. There's some you know digestion. I think but It's a two hundred eighty pages. But they're short chapters There's a lot of humor the book because i wasn't out to judge anybody. I'm not trying to offend anybody. I don't really want to know or care to know what other people do in their bedroom. Start just you know. I wanna love people i wanna i want to. It joins other people's company. I wanna grow and continue to learn and You know that's what i like. But but the book you know the genesis of the idea of you've ryan. The book was my debt to the boy. Scouts of america and i was an eagle scout. Since you live in eastern new mexico. I worked as a backpacking guide and ranger philmont. So are you familiar with. Of course the so so i was a philmont ranger. Which was you know a pretty big deal. There's like twenty thousand applications for a couple of hundred positions. It's not easy to get a job with philmont ranger. and so i've been backpacking. My whole life. That picture on the cover is. I'm actually on the in that picture you in you know. I've just learned a lot about life. You know when you're outdoors so we just went through this big freeze down here in texas and you know you go a couple days without electricity and water you find you find out a lot about yourself and know what you need what you rely on if you have a little bit of camping equipment and butane stove and you can boil some water. You know you're like hey. I can manage but the other thing about being outdoors is the your mistakes were magnified. Some bad happens back in the woods. You know you're a long way from getting medical attention in the so you focus at you. Focus a lot more on your decisions. And that's why i've always been backpacker and because my scouting history I wanted to write about a life is a metaphor of backtracking. That's why it's the path that's the picture on the cover is. We're all on a journey. We're different points in our journey and we make mistakes in we get lost that that's the thing about wilderness. It's easy to get lost. Yeah definitely you know. Speaking of the deep reason. I hope you're you're okay now are you. Yeah the people up here Because we get so snow so often Looked at texas last week and said what the hell is this. A little snowstorm. We get that all. I and my my reaction to this. What if you had to put up with a sandstorm for two days would you. How would you deal with that. Like complete sand blowing in your face at sixty miles an hour. 'cause i've dealt with that in west texas and if that happened here in long island nobody would know how to deal with it. So it's what you know how to deal with what you're accustomed to dealing with so You know don't be too quick to judge. It's just a snowstorm. They haven't been through the kind of blizzards that we get every winter. And so it's just it's what you deal was right and what you know But you made out okay through all that your back we did have a nice tool backyard and You know they a freeze protect mode. And there's another little life lesson as you know we have all these electrobi- plans and you can buy you know flat rate plans and i'm on a wholesale plan that basically rides the tide. You know it's so my average cross for christie for last year the eight and a half cents a kilowatt hour and it went up to nine dollars but went up one hundred times and i was having to pay like five hundred dollars a day for my electricity. And that's what's not right because that's regulated by the public commission. But anyway i heard about electric bills going through the roof and i didn't understand how that could happen. Just a few days and people saying they got hit with a ten thousand dollar electric bill like in three days. How was that possible. That would take me a year to ten thousand dollars electric bill. I don't i still. I'm trying to wrap my head around that For for these issue of masculinity. Are you optimistic. That that we're going to get back to any kind of World like you would like to see what men men no. They're also well. I would say yes. I always optimistic. Because i'm gonna do something about it you know. I think i heard you say on your podcast interview. You know that don't complain. Offer a solution. And so that's what i'm doing. I'm writing. look. The i recognize the need unite. Were born or the baby. Boomer's lear called the me generation newer pretty sufficient. We kinda made this miss. And you know i'm sixty now. I don't wanna leave this as legacy to this next generation than we did kinda give a crap sandwich. I would sort of agree with you with you on that. The baby boomers made made this mess. But we were. I and i don't want to advocate our responsibility. But i think we we were It started before us are the generation. Before i started to lose their way a little bit and i think you need to have this perspective of many many generations to realize that. We we've been getting progressively worse. So i applaud you optimism. I try to have that but a life beats it out of me daily So i i wake up every morning an optimist. By the time i get to bed. I'm a pessimist again and the cycle stuff to get them all so if this being nighttime now i'm more on the pessimistic side. You know your diet you you. Sometimes you got to have a little dessert But so this idea of improving the need to be stepped about it. And you may i. I have mentioned quite a quite often. Don't just identify a problem. Come up with the solution The book goes some way towards that are are you getting any response from 'cause i think it it response doesn't need to come from me. It needs to come from young men. Right right yeah. You book needs to get in the hands of twenty something so even teenagers right or my target audience you know it was written for those young men who may not have had a mentor may not have had a scoutmaster may not have had a coach enter sitting there struggling and and you know they're angry that the robert louis offer told you about so he. He had an upbringing kind of similar to yours. I heard your story and you know. His father was alcohol. If you know just completely checked out in the you know this guy. He was an eighth grader. He goes out the football team and you know they asked him. Did he bring his jockstrap and he didn't even know what jockstrap everybody just laughed. At me was ridiculing. He was just burning red with shame embarrassment and so he goes back home away tells us dan how could you let me go drought football and not tell me this. You're supposed to be giving me that kind of information. And then you so fast forward. This guy becomes a fabulous football athlete. He's an all american art university of arkansas and then they make it to the national championship game. One of the bowls and then as the whole team gets invited to this fancy bowl banquet and they have to wear a tie and he doesn't know how to type of feels like the eighth grade kit again. Because it's just. I just is something i didn't get when i was supposed to get you know from my dad and so you know that's what we have to do. Is that makes people angry. And that's makes them out. You know in bad behavior you know and it makes them try to prove their mad by physically. You know beating up people and things like that so we have to Love those guys and say look you know sorry. You didn't get it but here you know what i say. You know my books like come come round my campfire man. It's warm you know you may not have had a debt. You can read this book in private. And there's a lot of resources that i point to. I've read where i made mistakes. I'm very transparent honest about yet in the you know. It's not a perfect but you know. Here's what i figured out. I found some clues. If you or history buff you know and like the honesty and it's like hey somebody had to make a map and say hey over here is where the sirens are you. Don't wanna go the rocks. You know that's useful information and that's what we have to do is we have to. We have to provide information to try to guide those guys who who didn't get it in and people like you and me or point in our lives where our kids are grown. Now we can go help others in that. That's what i wanna do right. I completely agree with you. And i think the power of story is a very Influential thing and can really influence people. Dow i have to ask when you're doing when you're writing the book. I know you i assume it was all coming from the heart and and and you doing it at of a labor of did you do any research unto Since the young young men are your target audience like what is what is the voice that will appeal to them because they speak a different language than our generation. Did you do any of that kind of looking at how do how do i best make this a comfortable. Read for young men. You make humorous So i've talked a lot of people and they said look you know no one likes to have the finger wag an urban lights and and that's where religious or pious people come across his. You know shame on you. You know that's not at all. It's like this a funny story. So i know you got another interesting common in magic right. So you worked in the magic shop disney world for a while so when i was a little kid and hated vegetables and the i didn't know i was basically getting extorted by my sisters for my meagre allowance. And you know. I'd to have to sit at the table and i couldn't leave until i either bribed them and i throw away or whatever but in this was unsustainable to me and so there's a chapter in my book where i took an interest in magic because i was big comic book writer and you know there was this ad magic in every those comic books like you know. I need to just make these vegetables disappear. And so there's a real uber story about How resourceful. I was nine year old. You know so. And everybody can relate to that some mischievousness. I worked at a boy scout camp. And i thought you know rowing canoeing swimming and lifesaving and sometimes you get these real smart aleck kids in you know man. I'm a representative of the boy scouts. America can't really come down hard on these kids. So you figure out little ways to you know teach them a lesson and so we would come up with these kids have. All of our is taught in a river. And then you know we'd come up and we look real close their in real concern and i think you got it and their way what eero vitus. What's that how it suspect in the river. You know so. Few remember matthias was this. A bryant disinfectant. a neighbor. take weeks to. We're often so we would paint their ears with this orange. Violate and they'd be walking around the hall and it was just a little payback and they never knew until they got home within our our camera. Got some letters and you know we had to cease desists but just kind of mischief fun you know. But then there's some little morals at the end of each chapter that kind of say. Hey you know there's life lesson here and it's for those who have used to hear. It's not too preachy. If you can connect the dots and you're going to get something out of the book. And you know i just Would encourage people to be open minded. Go take a look at it. I need to reach readers. That don't know me. And i think this is a pretty essential topic that we all need to be discussing Like you and i are. Now i agree a my difficulty. Right now is how do i put I have a lot of the young men in my life white. i want to Be a positive Influence in their lives And i'm finding that men and maybe women are going through this to. I don't know but i experience it more on the male side that we're taking a lot longer to grow up so i have a lot of Young men who were around thirty some older than thirty who are still struggling with manhood and going back to your point about wendy become men. I thought i became a man when i left home at fourteen years old Seeing men thirty to thirty five years old still living with their parents still not you know still not really supporting themselves and and i understand bad thanksgiving financial. Things can happen to people all time. But i'm seeing almost like an epidemic of thing all are week. Are we taking to we telling our kids through wrong and and giving him too long to grow up or do we need to be tougher. You know this whole i. It's what the answer is our do. We need to to to experience some tough love or or show some tough love and and or or is there a pedestal. Lucien for that taking too long to grow up okay. I got a good answer for that. So so mike you know. Everyone wants to be believed in right. So let's say you were an infant. Weren't walking it. And i didn't want you to get hurt. Sorry gave you a pair of crutches and so all you ever knew was using crutches and then you're you know you're adult you're still using crutches it's like the you gotta fall you gotta skin your knees. You gotta and it's that What they call the helicopter. Mom you know it is is the scourge of our lives. Is the twenty four hour cycle. You and i grew up before. Cnn was ever invented until it only half hour news day was walter cronkite at five o'clock in but you know when i was sixteen years old i was driving all over west texas by myself you know giving slide programs on camp promotions and you know and if i broke down you can figure stuff out but but it's like the your parents believed you. I've been in alcoholism or famine have been ali's album meetings and you have this codependency thing and so you know but the code is always rescuing and so they never experienced the consequences that are going to teach in the lesson. I think you'll be all right. I think if you get skinned up you'll be able to get up and do it. I i believe in you. And that's what they need more than anything else. They made that movie. Failure to launch with matthew mcconaughey which was a funny movie but it was kind of tragic. You know because his mom still making his dead polling laundry that we should be laughing. That's exactly the condition. I'm talking about is that you know these young failure to launch with the perfect example of that and i think to kind of sum up that enter. It's it's tough love with the support of. I know you can do this. And and i believe in you and and I'm here for you if you fail. But you're not gonna fail trust me. You can do this type of tough love. i think. I think you're right that that will go a long way. I think we we are having an epidemic of that. I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing in my area or if it's no it's i i guarantee you it's nationwide. I think it's even worldwide. It's the same in europe Some of it was brought on economically but like in uk and all kinds of documents live living. You know with the parents and you know then. Then there's no there's no chronological event. That's going to occur like you graduate from high school. And now you're out it's like so what's gonna create the situation where you kick him out. They leave you know if they're comfortable in. Their meals are provide utilities and then they start they start a lifestyle the begins to spend whatever disposal money on other things. They're incapable of. Oh you mean I've got to pay for these electricity bills. And i've got to pay for car repairs. Have things break down. So you're you're actually building in the dependency. And i think that makes people angry because i know it to you. Know they're they resent you for it but at the same time. They kind of like being on the team. You know so i think it's parents And i know. We're over the hour. And i apologize for that but we're we're getting closer to the point where we can wrap this up but i think it's parents. We've we've become weak to the idea of. I don't want my children mad at me now. I tell the story often or have good. I had my son arrested and it was a moment where He was sixteen fifteen years old and he said he he was talking about suicide and he ran out of the house crying. We will have in a fight. Bust smoki