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Jim Rooney

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Jim Rooney

"Welcome everyone to huddle up with gusts where we talked to our guests about how sports shake their life. I'm your host Gusts Surat fifteen year. Nfl quarterback and I'm joined by my longtime friend and Co host. Dave Hager you can now find us under the big top with the sports circus and ringmaster south look for a on. Mtv amp M. P. TV DOT COM one. Another episode puddle with gusts. I'm your host for a fifteen year. Nfl quarterback unusually joined by my co host. Dave but Dave is with me today so I'll be running this episode Solo and pretty excited about that. Today's guest Jim Rooney You you you probably definitely know the last name but Jim has been around. Obviously one of the Rooney's part of the steelers family For a long time wrote an incredible book called a different way to win about his father and the stories in it are incredible. We're GONNA get a little bit the of those in later. But today's guest Jim Rooney. Thanks Join US Jim and glad to have you on how to. Up with gusts gas. It's great to see you great to be here. Love to see a Pittsburgh kid from the football world doing well so great to be part of the project. We're doing okay. I need a little bit of a haircut but other net. Now you know once once once I can go get a haircut. I'll feel a lot better. I'm Lucky Yeah. You're lucky you got a little razor you. Can you can do that work. So you know how we always start to show. We want to find out a little bit about you and your childhood and deaf first. Memory that you have an probably can guess what it is but the first memory you have of why you fell in love with sports. Well Gus I I was born into it. There's not much I could say. I've had this this fantastic life because of this industry and it's it's been a blessing. I guess the story though that I remember most the sort of introduction. Is You know my family would always go to these games in back. Five hours later Nine of us on the eighth of nine mean my sister Joan would would be babysat because we're too young. Go the Games and so there was this game around Christmas time and they all came back and everyone was crying and cheering and my brother Dan. Who's about five years older than me picked me up and hug me my mother grabbing And that was the of the immaculate reception so I was five or six years old. Didn't go but but three hours later. The way they came into the house was about as happy as ever seen. You know my family. I couldn't even imagine I mean I that that's a great memory so you being one of nine you had almost the whole. You had a team right there so I couldn't imagine what it was like for you guys. If you were bored you just send you outside. Go say go play ball on the street or do something like that. What did you guys do when you were when you were young? When you're growing up what was your your game of choice low so we played football every single day and we had we had so so there was nine of us four boys and my younger sister and two of my sisters. Were probably better than that. All of us that we've been you know thirty years later they would have. They would have been the star athletes and family. Whose whose uncle actually was pete. Flaherty the mayor their name was Smith. And they're they're billy conn. Great boxer was their ankle. They were all great athletes Couple went to Stanford and a couple other places played football so there was. There was five of them nine of us and you know. We played football every single day. I remember one day. My father comes home. So you're thinking the good side of the story but were outside playing with his football and I got it out of his closet and so we're playing and he goes. Where'd you get that ball and it's an NFL ball? And I said you know I got out of the closet. He gave it to me was so upset. It was the game ball from Super Bowl Thirteen and he just meant to get it painted and he never you know just didn't get around to exert a million things going on so right. We scrape that ball but played football in this spree. Did he still get it painted? He did get it paid and we never touched it again. After that I could imagine me for me growing up you're up in Ford City foreclosed. We wrote our bikes. Go get all the kids in a neighborhood. We had a ball field. We went to and we had a basketball court. We played everything. I mean as long as you have a place to play. Did you guys play Wolf Abodo? We played wiffle ball played baseball e. Yeah it was was such a good time because you play three sports and I I was. I was very good at the my friend who played basketball and wrestling in the winner. In addition to football and baseball so you know that was such a great time that you just you just played and I think again. My athletic ability is limited. But we were better and I think a lot of ways we may not have been conditioned and we may not have known the strategy the same way but you had to play off three sports. You know you learn moves and basketball help. You not get tackled and football learned. I coordination hitting the ball and baseball. You know that helped you catch a football and look the world is the world. I'm glad that that were but I do think there's something missing where we don't have the the three sport world anymore. No I totally agree and I think the other thing too is missing his. You know when you went out with all those people and you played into streets you had you had to be the the referee the coach. You know there were no parents around. There were no other people telling you how to pick teams and all that and you figure those things out on your own and I thought that such a valuable lesson that our kids today kind of miss well absolutely my my brother Dan. I mentioned before he's a scout for this does lives down in North Carolina. He's actually the guy that found willing Barker We're talking about scouting people but Dan beat the crap out of me so many times dropped the ball. You guys did this but you had. You'd have one series if you had three receptions you've have staff so if I dropped the ball on that third reception man it was. It was the worst thing in the world because my brother had beat the crap out of me for that. So that's pretty good. Yeah that's that's usually a win. Hey yeah that's usually went but you know I think that Kids don't learn those types of things you know it just respect when you're the younger one you gotta respect the older one and the older one has to take care of the younger ones to even though they may be tough on you but nobody's going to be bullied to Mike in my team right and that's kind of how it went. I think we miss some of that today and and I just enjoyed sports my whole life the same way you did. We grew up in town. That had a lot of kids and and we just went out and we played and we had a lot of fun and yeah. Sometimes you got abroad but you know the thing about it. Was you just left to go? And you went right back and started playing again. We get in fights. You go home for lunch. Thought after lunch. They'd be on the same team. You know you were you. Were ready to go. I mean you never. You know my best friends. I fought with more than anyone else fought with my life. And they're my best friends today right so your family has a little bit of boxing. History did did any of you or your brother insists sister. Mvp ever do any Boxing so that's a great question. Goss I remember. I was GONNA join this Boxing Club. And it's really touching thing actually. Every time I tell the story kind of tear up and I understand it even more so and so join us. Boxing Club. Mother thought this would be good athletically. I've diabetes so you know everything about it a sort of good and my grandfather stepped in Art Rooney. The chief a said he's not boxing and my mother's that'd be good for him. He said I boxed so these kids would never have to and I still. It still gets me like the sacrifice that boxers make is like no other in you know that and and his willingness to to really own that that was his life that that he did that for the next generations of his family. And and you know that's the American Dream. These these folks that are one hundred years ago now took on responsibilities and sacrifices in ways that dumb you know are just are just amazing and look. I've benefited my family's benefited. But my grandfather who started the team and really started s in the sports industry. You know it wasn't easy. It wasn't always fond was you know wasn't romantic. And that's part of the pack. Yeah I know I I completely get it. Did your grandfather ever talk about who? His favorite boxer was well. His favorite boxer was billy conn. The Pittsburgh Kid who was his promoter with you know but but he had you know. The one thing that that isn't talked about in the history of Art Rooney as much as my grandfather promoted the first at fight between two African Americans for the heavyweight championship at Forbes field in nineteen fifty two. I believe Jersey Joe Woolcott Nejra Charles. It was when Joe Louis Retired Was the promoter of the fight to to win the the heavyweight championship after that so he actually did a lot in boxing in those early days. And then you know Kinda it went to Vegas and sort of beyond Pittsburgh but bit you know. Pittsburgh was a great fight tab. I think there had to be some great boxers up in Armstrong County and I bet he. He helped promote them mean. He was heavily involved through the twenties thirties forties inbox. Yeah there's some great little boxing clubs around the Pittsburgh area. I mean I've been to a few recently. Where there's those boxing clubs are still going and you can go see a match for charity and different things like that and they're Kinda Fun My wife always gets nervous. She has one anybody get hurt but I said they. You know most of them. Are you know if they're younger? They're wearing the headsets and everything but You know boxing. It's remarkable story about your grandfather. How he was so into boxing. Seems like sometimes when you get ingrained? Boxing it's hard to pull yourself away and then how he switched and said okay. I'M GONNA get into football when it wasn't even. I mean there are a lot of strikes in hardships back then with football. What you know. It's funny. I've been speaking to students throughout this. I've talked about ten different sports industries. Sports Business Stews in the in the schools across the country sports management program Throughout this sort of covid experience and I said look my grandfather young. Were we own this business? Albert's unbelievably valuable. Whatever they call it you know but my grandfather got into it because it was during the depression. He would have preferred to buy baseball team but he could never afford to do that. He got into the steelers because it costs nothing to get in lucky. And I've been telling these kids like look. Think about the sports industry. Think about what's going on with with things like you and I are doing these online things. Is there a way you can create a new type of engagement with the fans? Is there something you can invent is there? Is there something you can get into now while while the others? There's some tough times. Run PARTS OF THE INDUSTRY. Because you know this is going to be a great opportunity. Ten fifteen years from now met certainly the path my grandfather took but but so But boxing fed him until the mid fifties. I mean you know really with my father. Took the steelers. Business made it successful on my grandfather. Success in business really was much more in boxing than ever really. Wasn't football yeah. I just interviewed Steve Lot he was. I don't know if you know who steve is but he has the boxing hall of fame Ya Online. And and he was assistant manager with Tyson and he has seventy five years of of boxing footage that he actually owns and we had a great conversation about boxing and man. His knowledge of it was incredible. Goes Hallway back into the Twenties and thirties? And how it started in and how our country fell in love with it and and He was talking about. I think it was when who was it. Fighting over in Ireland was in Ireland. They were fighting I can't remember who it was. But he said the president called him and said your country is is betting on you. Maybe Joe Louis. I'm not sure who was fighting at that time. The President calls you and says hey your countries behind you want you to win like you gotTa Win that round right. You're fighting somebody from Europe and it's like okay. This is a big match in a. Boxing is just such ingrained in our history. I think it was just incredible that now. It's like boxing. Bigger football isn't as big and it's all just kind of taken a different turn and it's amazing that the the long game that your family had to look at that and see that as this is something that we think is going to work. Well Yeah my father and Dan. Rooney did a lot for the business of of the whole sports industry but particularly as it relates the NFL when you look at the Labor agreements you know. He was the first owner way ahead on labor. My grandfather art actually is the guy who who made the proposal in a League meeting that there be a players union in nineteen fifty seven and then my father was the chief negotiator and you know he was the first one that understood free agencies going to come we have to find a way to create competitive balance and keep the game interesting for our fans. But you can't let the players have some degree of movement. And he was. He was talking about that in the mid seventies And you know you didn't get three agency until ninety three but it was that approach to business that my father always looked at looks. Grow this pie as large as we can. And that's going to happen best if we're all willing to share Whether it was the revenue sharing between the teams or free agency with with the players and look the. Nfl has gone through the roof and there were certainly a lot of people involved. But I always feel that that you know. That's sort of steady hand. My my father would be as tough as you could be in certain negotiations but he always looked at the big picture and and you know and understood that. You have to treat people well if you did that you know. I contribute that to so much of the reason the NFL has become what it's become right. You're listening to with Gus Gus for us and we're here with Jim Rooney and you can catch us on radio DOT COM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast and on amp TV amp dot TV. So let's go back to your family. I mean everybody in your family all went to same high school my correct we actually did. We all went to different high school really. I thought you guys were all north Catholic kind of before as did so my dad and his brothers they all went to north and then my mother wanted you to go to some other schools. So art nine of. Who's the president my brother are went to? A school called Gilmour Academy which is Holy Cross Brother School Notre Dame actually own the school. It's in Ohio back in the day and my son actually went there and then my brothers. Dan in John went to went other schools. All my sisters had to go to the all girls Catholic school near our house and my brothers and I were going to these other places but So so but north is is an important part of our our family and you know they've done a great thing right now. They've even moved further. North should be a lot closer for you guys but What was it like for you when you went to Gilmore? Your way from home was like a boarding school almost i. Yeah as I said. Art Lift in dorms In the end it as well and So so my mother felt that entity would be a good thing for us in high school that that the idea of everyone sort of knowing the Rooney story is is is great and we're very grateful for the life we haven't Pittsburgh during that time so this critical time she. She thought that that would happen. Will she sends us a school? That is basically in Cleveland and everyone knows Rooney's but they hate us. Send us in the middle of Indiana or something. But you know so. We put up with a lot of use for many many years going to browns games and I was there any rate right before you started the NFL. When when Bernie was sort of tears up the league at the browns had some good teams late eighties early nineties as they were beating the steelers all the time when I was in Highschool. So did you play sports in high school sports in. Yeah I played a plate. You know played varsity football about five foot eight. But I played defensive back I got a letter when I was when I was a sophomore. And I played catcher but I didn't have the arm after JV. I Love Baseball. I just didn't have the armed. You know gun that ball down to second well enough so they they basically said You can you can play second base or get out of here you know. I think I play one more year at second base. But it's you know I just wasn't good Enough Ryan I. It's it's a tough sport. I mean you gotTa have all the talent and you got to build that cake and if you're missing something little I mean for me. Baseball was a mental game for me. You know where I had an arm to be able to throw the ball but mentally pitching where everybody thought I would be six five on the mound and throw ninety mile an hour fastball. But mentally do it for six or seven innings. I just wasn't there yet as a kid and I just didn't like it and that's why baseball I mean luckily I could. I could hit okay but other than that. So did you ever have that problem where I'm playing against you know you're playing against SCHOOLS UP IN CLEVELAND? I'm sure and they said all those are the Rooney Boys. We're GONNA go after him. That happen in football I. It's I was. I was defensive back in a running back and I had people jumping on the POW taking shots all the time and and you know I was a little bit like Dion Sanders wore. I wore number twenty one and I was always talking crap to these kids about the steelers won all the Super Bowl. You know like I was always I was that little God that had too big a mouth and I paid for it more often than I should`ve. Yeah but you know what I think. That's kind of fun. I think that's kind of what you had to do. You know if I was in your shoes I probably would have done the same thing like you gotta stick up for yourself especially when you're not at your home your your away and it's you and your brothers and you got to kind of say all right we're GONNA go out and do this thing. And we'RE GONNA stick up for where we're from and I think that's that pride that comes out and you. I had this huge steeler stadium coke coats that go down to your ankles so you know it's always cold in Cleveland. You played some games up there so every I get Tennessee. John was awesome. We we go down to municipal stadium. Get A row and take all my all my teammates to the game. And they're always like Don. Did you have to wear the jacket? And every time if people start throwing beer and these guys are all browns fans and they ended up having to be fights in the stadium. Because I'm wearing the steeler Jack and they're just like Kay. Just leave it in the car today and I'm like you I'm like I'm not backing down. You know like yeah but we all have to fight for right. Yeah they gotta stick up for you know when on I would go play in Philadelphia. You know I would. I would always when I get tickets for friends and family I say look I know you guys WanNa wear. I was with. The redskins played for the Vikings. We went there. I said No. You WanNa wear our colors and my Jersey and all that but maybe she just wear like a kind of a bland coat over top of it. You know because as eagles fans are kinda nuts. I'm sure that's similar story that you had there and I'm sure you know a lot of games in Pittsburgh tune. The steelers fans are a little bit like that. But they're not as bad as other places I've been Cleveland's top Baltimore Stop. Phillies the worst. I. I went to a flyers game playoff game against the pens. Once and same thing we were. We were adults. There was eight of us in this row. And I'm like man. I'm sitting on the end of this road. This this is not. It's not a comfortable feeling in Philadelphia. You Know Start Your Day sunny side up at the western Bonaventure Hotel and suites and enjoy breakfast for two on us. No matter how you plan to spend your trip to Los Angeles start every day with a hearty meal to kick start your morning. Enjoy breakfast for two on US each day. Stay for reservations. Be Sure that Promo Code S. Four be appears in the Promo Code box when making your online reservation at Marriott Dot Com backslash lax bw or call one eight hundred two two eight ninety to ninety s for promotional code S for Yeah so Dante Coreper. Few member him a quarterback weird together into Vikings we go play playoff game in Philly and the teams even warning us. Like you know if your family's comment you know I know they. They want us. They're proud of you. WanNa wear your stuff and and Don we are. Remember Dante's MOMS saying no I'm wearing. I'm support my son wearing all this stuff. And and I forget how many beer she had thrown on her like Diana escorts so many people out of her section. It got really ugly. I mean Philadelphia's last what. They had a jail in the prisoner stadium I guess. We'll you know that that franchise is the franchise. My grandfather started so in nineteen forty eight. We switched that there was some big thing after the war and financing. So the guy bought the steelers my grandfather and he was gonNA move him to. Boston and my grandfather was going to partner with Bert. Bell Rang Philadelphia and he decided he wanted to go to Philadelphia and my dad convinced her bell to come to Pittsburgh. We never missed a season but but there was actually a time. When there might not have been football in Pittsburgh we would have been involved in Philadelphia. So so the franchise that is the steelers actually is the original eagles. The Eagles are the original steelers. Not Too many people know that no. No that makes the rivalry. Go Way back then right after high school you graduate from Gilmore. What was your next step for for you so I I was. I was one of those kids. Another guy that that you inspired or that lifetime you and I had in those those ladies. You know I'll never forget. This game was the Friday after Thanksgiving what nineteen eighty five or six. I'M WATCHING BOSTON. College in this little quarterback throw this pass and so so I am going to be see love. Bc had a great time up in. Boston never never never picked up. A there couldn't get couldn't get near that team but it was a great place to be and Actually became became buddies for awhile with. I think a guy. You were teammates within Were you ever teammates with Romanowski? Yeah so yeah Romo and I were buddies for for a little bit. That he was. I think he was a year ahead of me and we just became friends because of different things but yeah I love drama. Romo was great. People really had issues with them but I never did. We always kinda sat by other on the planes. When I played we played together on the broncos. Bill had a big suitcase with them. Right now has all kinds of pills and creams. And now I remember why we're I can't remember who we were playing but I got. My elbow was just killing me. 'cause I got hit and I said Romo you got anything for me. And he gave me this This cream of an old oil oil of Olay Jar. Andy said look. This plant was picked under a full moon with no clouds in the sky. We made it into a cream. It's GonNa help your elbow and I'm like yeah okay. Hope I don't have to drug test next week you know. There's there's the drugs Abbott people. That aren't in locker rooms and look I was a ballboy etc. You're a player but don't realize there's always one or two those superstitious guys and they got the craziest stuff in the world going on there and it's always so funny like I remember being a boy with those cards where be picking up all the socks. Jocks and IOS. Sidney Thornton was the famous guy but we had two or three of those guys. Yo and we'll pass them at a certain time they get upset at you. If you put the thing on the right side rather left they were going to have a bad practice. I didn't even go near you. Those superstitious guys. Just I never had like for me. It was too much energy to do all that stuff. Like you know. Like I've guys like lay out their whole uniform on the ground in front of their locker before the game so they can see out. It's going to look when it's on their body and I'm like what like I'm worried about like okay. If I see a cover two defense you know. And then all of a sudden they rotate them. I gotta go this way on my read. You know I wasn't worried about what how my socks looked right right. Exac one superstar one last superstitious story going back to my grandfather's time in the box. Same so always he would always take a priest with them whenever he went anywhere and take two or three. Some cops were with them you know. They always went to box. There is at horse race. Horse match racing and boxing and so yellow boxer does the sign of the cross before he gets in the ring and one of his buddies. So I think was a cop said to the priests. Hey you think that will help. And the pre said only if he can fight now. He's got that was the best Superstation you better be. You were able to do the thing let alone just superstitious while you know when I was reading your book In some that you were telling some of those stories about boxing about your grandfather and and who used to go to the the the matches and I'm like well. I wonder if those same people would go to the matches today. You know you know. I wonder if it's filled with priests and Catholics and everybody you know. I'm thinking now on Vegas. I don't think they're all out in Vegas Watch. Boxing matches anymore. But you know it just tells you the world's changed well and I also think it was such a great immigrant story and so maybe the the immigrants of today who come from other countries have that experience boxing is. I think it's the ultimate tough guy experience and if you have nothing and you're willing to fight for it. I don't think there's a better way to do it. And that's what my grandfather's generation you know what we're doing is Irish and I think you know I so I wonder if that's that's how it is because that was that was their day and that was how they stepped into sports and politics. How the Irish now? The Italians. So many folks? That's how we got into sort of normal society or your finally got accepted right exactly and I think that You know it's amazing that you know when reading your book and and thinking about everything that your family has done and come through. There's been a lot of similar people that have come through Pittsburgh. My family's family ignorance. My Dad was one of fifteen right and you know and they did things just to survive make money and they were all in the military and do those types of things and and the vision that your day he. Your grandfather love sports and not just boxing but everything and then he said this is what I WANNA do. It probably was tough times for him. trying to find the money to buy team and then do all those things but he knew that someday that was going to be valuable for his family and what a family you guys have built so after college go to BC I think you graduated What was IT and Communications Political Science and Communication Right Right? So why did you pick those to pick political science because my grandfather always said you know you should get in politics? You're talking with people you know He. He always he always had good relationships with people in politics. And the other one I've ever seen in my life including my father who ended up doing okay in that world named ambassador but my grandfather was the only one I ever knew that had no political enemies. I mean everyone on every side of the aisle just like my grandfather. He could deal with them. He could get deals done for his business but stay out of their business and and just just was fantastic at doing that So so he's he thought that the communications I just. I don't know why did that. I guess it just I felt like there was. I think it was one of the things where I started. Five classes in and was like okay if I take three more. I'll get the double major right now. That's great so when you get out of of college were the plans. I mean your family so ingrained. In addition your dad is now running the steelers. And what will your plans? And he has some conversations with you about your next step in life. I I mean my father and I had had great conversations really it. I mean it's why I wrote the book and felt like I had point of view that was different IOS starting in college A you always talking on the phone every night and then when I got home we talk every night. I don't know that we ever said Hey. Here's a plan. Let's let's go forward with this. It was always talking about you. Know this is going on in Ireland Commissioner. Tagliabue's doing this. This young guy. Roger Goodell doing that a lot about coach. Noll and how coach Noll just head coach? Noel was my father's best partner and he said you know everyone's wrong in life. I'm not gonNA tell us. Not but he said that. That man has the most integrity. I've ever seen in my life so so just learning from these people Pete Rozelle just the greatest visionary of all time understood where the. Nfl was going. I actually went to Chile in South America for the first two years after college and worked with children with diabetes had diabetes now for forty five years and and my father was a big supporter of of doing something like that he said. Look you know it'll wants to get on a career path and that's a great thing. You are fortunate you know and and really I was sort of concerned whether it was the right thing to do or not and he said that would be a just a tremendous experience. I lived in Chile with children with diabetes in a Third World country. Which is really interesting. Because you know. Diabetes doesn't SORTA discriminate so we had kids that had nothing and would have to sharpen their needles on a rock and we had kids who had more money. You know 'cause there's money in the third world's a little different if you have at you have all May Day of power that you can't even think of here so just really interesting dynamics with with people and then helping them helping them deal with this. This disease in a way. That dumb was was humbling because we are a love. Many many people America that struggle in an I you know we try to do everything we can to to be support but the third world is you know. It's hard to imagine having a chronic illness. In a place like that it's really unimaginable. A certain way I mean people get medicines. There's there's twenty different types of insulin. These guys would get one bottle for three months and have to make it last where. I have ten bottles in my fridge now for the next four months. So just very humbling experience. And my father really encouraged supported me doing now. That that's wonderful We're joined by Jim Rooney Route writer of a different way. Great Book about his father. Dan Rooney that he wrote with his brother. Art I mean what a better conversation for me as a Pittsburgh to have him so excited about this You can listen to this podcast on radio DOT com and find on MTV. So Jim you know one of the biggest things. I think out of that book and one of the things that your family was about was inclusion and diversity and how important it was and how that came to be the Rooney rule. Did you guys have many conversations about those types of things and father and I spoke often about all of these issues related to to sort of integration. You'll bill on. Who was the great steelers scout was the first American scouts in the NFL? It's funny in the book. I researched this sort of unearthed a lot of the data that demonstrates how successful ineffective bill was and you know the. Nfl hadn't captured this date. Not Not quantifiable way that we did which is surprising. But but when you look at the players from these historically black colleges this is before there was integration. So they weren't going to Alabama they weren't going to Texas. You know other Penn state in the northern schools in the Western schools had had integrated in the in the forties and fifties. So you're getting to the seventies where some of these other schools had. And you know. Now Joe go to a traditional HP. See you but Joe Greene would be recruited by Texas today. Go Green played at North Texas State. So many the these guys melt blonde. I mean you know so so Malcolm's from this experience he had never had a white teammate. Or coach in his life before he came to the Pittsburgh steelers and talking to me about that experience and I. I've gotten to know MEL PRETTY WELL. And the way he shared about my father and just how he said you know. I had whatever view I add. Sort of white people and your father just treated me with with so much dignity and respect. He said we a really bad contract. Negotiations seventy four seventy five. We get the deal done and I'm thinking well that's the that's the over. Have with this guy and he says I happen. Open the Mel Blunt Youth Home in Georgia. His work with with or is he said the first person to come visit the home on the on the opening day was your father says. I didn't even not not. They didn't invite him. But you know I just never had an expectation grew at the way he described that story. I'm not really doing it. Justice but but just demonstrated that this was something. My father really didn't just talk about again. Just talk about from strategic standpoint. But he had made this commitment so then when you get to the coaching situation You know Fifteen years later my father helped put the rule into in a in a practice and ends up getting named after him but what he really did was the next. Fifteen years is every time there was opening. You know he would talk to coaches general. Managers owners certainly. Didn't you only advocate for minorities? But he really make sure that they had had a good understanding of what candidates were available because one of the things that folks at as well. I'm not familiar. Who's available so he just spent this tremendous amount of time familiarising himself with these candidates and being able to speak on behalf so they would get interviews. They would get opportunities in you. See not only the rule named after him and we can talk about the challenges today that are there and they're there but but during his lifetime yet. A three hundred percent increase in the head coaches In terms of of head coaching hires. You had a an increase of forty percent out total. It's it's completely switzer. Forty percent of the coaches on the defensive side of the ball are African American the NFL twenty percent increase in Onfield officials and so wasn't just sort of the policy. It was this work that my father committed his life to to make sure that people were were Implementing this and and carrying out. Is Tony Dungy calls it? The spirit of the Rooney will. Yeah and I think you know what I was reading your book. I think the spirit almost goes back. There's there's a a a player that was a priest that used to talk to your grandfather that he father. Glasco talked to my desk and he was he. He became our parish priest and he invited my father to go to Selma Alabama. And my father didn't go on this marked back in the sixties and I talk about that as being a cadillac. You know. Sometimes you don't do something really sort of changes your mind and my father sort of says the moment sort of made him realize. Oh what I could do. Most for this issue of you know they call it immigration back then is with my yoke. Can I make a real commitment and he always wanted merit. He didn't want guys who weren't good enough. But can we make a commitment? You know to to to really integrating and giving folks an opportunity and Chuck Knoll and bill non. Were just such an important part. They believed in those same things with him. And then you get the story of Joe Gilliam and again talking a male talking to John. Stall talking to donny about the about the when chuck named Joe. Gilliam is the first starter. I quarterback start African American. Starting at fell. You Know Joe. Wasn't that successful. But what it meant to the rest of the players was. If I'm the best at my position you know I'm GonNa get a chance to start here and you know they. They they conveyed. The sense of trust is being so meaningful salty yet. I think that's an amazing thing that that your family took on. Your Dad took on Created a rule change. And you know I probably has to be some politics in it. Because they're probably some owners that don't want to hear about that right. They want to do what they WANNA do. They don't want to go by. What other teams are doing right? So for him to be not only A great owner a great leader for your organization but then to also be a great leader for the whole. Nfl Man. You must be really proud. I am the rule is now gone beyond Amazon uses it Goldman Sachs. So it's kind of cool to see that legacy go beyond football and that to me really indicates it's it's even more so now in you do your keynote speeches and you go out and talk Is this a part of it when you're talking to companies or do you try to integrate it if they want you to talk about something else because it is important? You know with immigration. We're all immigrants in one way or another and You know some companies you know. See it one way and other companies. See it another way. Do you feel like that's a little bit of your responsibility when you make those stocks. I absolutely now. I try to pay attention. If there's going to be a lot of resistance talk about it more in relationship to change and and having different opinions out you know in the marketplace. You'RE GONNA have different opinions. You can have different points of view. WanNa be able to serve the market. You better have some mindset. That is not just a singular mindset. So so talk about it. From that standpoint. Other folks have become in and talk about diversity per se which. I'm not an expert in. I try to bring an expert with me of. That's what they want me to do. But but when I'm talking to the corporate world talk about my father's work in hiring I talk about his work and changing culture. I talk about his work. In negotiating those were sort of three of the main core competencies he has and you know the hiring is is it. Is it really easy story to tell you? Hire three coaches in in fifty years. I know you were on a couple of teams struggled. You might at three coaches in one season. I know I mean that happens right. I mean look at the browns. Now you know they go through coaches every year. It's like what there's gotta be some consistency and I think that when you know your book when you talk about the long game that part of it right is the consistency. We're GONNA have ups and downs. But we gotta have good credible people that are running our team so that those ups and downs are GonNa come but it's always going to be the same that we can handle and deal with. Well maybe you can give perspective on this but I talk about him walking down the aisle of the of the plane after we lost and I saw him do that one hundred times and we would. I would talk about. He said look. I just want people to know you. Don't lose your cool. You know you're going to have bad days. Things are going to happen. That doesn't mean we're not committed to a championship. But you can't be freaking out when things don't go your way because then you're not going to be prepared for the next thing. I don't know how you as a player would see that. But he felt that was really important valet. Stay and play on your next getaway to Los Angeles. The Westin Bonaventure Hotel and suites offers effortless access to all the city of angels has to offer whether you're hoping to catch a concert or sporting event are hotels just moments away from all the action and accessible to Hollywood beaches museums and theme parks. The package includes a guest room and valet parking for reservations. Use Promo Code. Psf In the code box when making your online reservation or call one two one three six two four one thousand and ask for Promo Code P. S. F. Well when your boss? Is You know when your boss comes in and says look it's okay. Let's just start tomorrow? Let's have a better day tomorrow. Let's learn from it and let's get better right. That's a big difference in. Nobody's speaking to you in your in your own head flying back on a plane because you had a tough game and three interceptions to the May be your fault. Maybe one got tipped and then you go home and you talk to your wife about it and you're you you just lament about it over two or three days and then nobody talks to. Your coach doesn't call you. They don't want to speak to you because you lost his game that they didn't don't WanNa lose and then it's like it really gets your head when you have somebody like that. Come down the aisle and you would see him come in and you know he was coming from a good place Your mood your attitude changes and I think that's why he was such a great leader for for the steelers for so long. Thanks I I he. He felt it worked. And you know it's always good to hear players reaction to it because he was tried to care for everyone but he really cared for the players. You really understood the sacrifices you folks make You know that careers are going to be sure that you're putting yourself on the line physically That look there's there's bad guys. Every locker room there always are but the majority is a really good people and they do good things. Don't get half the recognition that that you know. Some of the other stuff gets and it was just really important to him that that he saw that they had their back. The other thing it he. I rarely talked suffer. Rarely heard him talk about winning. He talked about being great about being excellent. And he said winning COM- if you're committed to being great. I thought that was sort of an interesting philosophy. Well I think it goes back to. What a pitch pittsburghers right. It's about being authentic. It's about hard work. It's about being like everybody else. And that's what Pittsburgh is and and I think your dad really did a good job though because when you when you hear about him walking home after games through the crowds and like I am just want to you. You know maybe the owner. But I'm one of you and that's what pitch burgers and that's what I feel is like. Hey I'm GONNA go out and cut my grass a number to do the things that everybody else does. Because that's what my dad did. And that's that's kind of what how we were all made and built still town. My Dad was mill guy and and I. It's just something about the authenticity of your dad that I think that the players fell in love with that the people respected him and and that's why you know they could definitely talked both sides of the aisle. Yeah yeah he was. He was young really good at at doing that. End Your He. He never tried to be something he wasn't he wasn't allowed guy so we didn't try to be loud. You know he understood that coach. You always think about you talked about these talks. I give you know coach. Noll was the quietest guy I've ever known in success. You'll bill Kaur is is boisterous and Yo- you want him to be your leader coach. Tomlin. As matter of fact all three of them are completely different but they're all affected because they're themselves right so let me ask you a question about your family. So they're they're they're eight brothers and sisters and you and so you had all these great role models right your grandfather your father And so when you guys. Do you ever catch any your brothers sisters. If somebody wanted to get out of line do you call them up and say you know? Remember what dad would have said or whatever you know. Do you guys find yourself do that. Sometimes they would all say. I'm the one that it does that the most we talk. I don't know that we do that. We talk a lot about you know. Look we have we are. We've had human experiences everyone else. I've we've lost. Three of her sisters have passed away from different diseases. You're one from cancer one from Lupus and yeah thanks but you know what I mean. So it's we've never gotten on each other's back but we're constantly in contact. It's funny you'll now that we text each other. We have a text chain and we on game days when we tell our this year we have two different texts chains and one all supportive because our. Yes his a job to do. He doesn't need to hear US complaining about a guy dropping a pass. So here you know all the sport in the world and then there's a couple of other ones every once in a while we were like you know like every other fan like why I couldn't catch that Bahrain. Great like I just bought. A new jugs machine exact. Hey you know I mean you know this gossip. I hope that we have been as the certainly connected to this. Community is as my grandfather were but there is a big responsibility. My brother has I mean it is it is the job and I don't say this. I hope people don't hear this as arrogant. It's the the job everyone in town wants. So we really try to respect that his life is is. There's a lot of scrutiny there. Everyone sort of everyone thinks they can do is job yet. You know. It's like a quarterback you know it's it's very easy for me to tell you you should have read that coverage different than you did. But no one's hitting me when I'm telling you that right right and and and in a I mean not that he has that physical risk. But but that's that's sort apartment so so the way we gather together. I think is much more. Hey look there's there's enough sort of pressure and we're very fortunate. I'm not I'm not. I don't want to sound complain but you know there's enough stuff going on that. We try to really be supportive. Particularly of of art art has a big legacy to uphold right. I mean that's got to be a lot of pressure in itself. Yeah you know and so I think he's doing a wonderful job. I think the steelers organization is is doing quite well. You know one of the things that I really wanted to ask you. Was You know you wrote this book? You interviewed a lot of people. I read all the list of people at the end of the book that that you got to talk to. What is your favorite? Part of? The book was wonderful in of itself. Yo Paul Tagliabue's who spent the most time with my dad and the business side. Having him share those moments was really cool. The the guys who had come from those those C. You experience I mean just a different life. You know until they're twenty one and then they come to Pittsburgh and become part of this magnificent team time The there there's a guy in Ireland John. You moves considered the Martin Luther King of the peace process and his wife. Jo had me on the phone for two hours and she was crying. Another guy who was is a terrorist. I mean this guy was in prison for for terrorism. Got Out. My father was a guy who really worked with him about trying to try to sort of become a role model for the kids in this Irish community where they were killing each other and he talks about young guys up a big strong guy As killed people and he's in tears telling me about how my father help changes life so there was some pretty pretty special moments there and it was wonderful. And then Tony. Dungy the Rooney rule side talking to Tony about that. Eeo Paul who had elected with Rooney rule but also the business side and Tony was sort of that how the coaching side transformed and out. So it was nice it was it was really cool to see. Paul and Bill Cower the Super Bowl and and both of them told me at separate times that that my father was their role model. These two guys just gotten hall of fame and at from from two different people like that again. I don't WanNa be I mean it's not me but but he's just a blessing to have that experience. I mean what an experience I mean. What a what A. There's been tons of people that have written books about your family. You know I'm sure that the you know you have all the on your shelf what I mean and now you got the right one about your family. It's either like yeah. There's a couple of ways it can go but I think what you how you wrote. A different way to win was beautiful and I think it tells the story about your family really really well and You know thanks for sharing that with us. Gus thanks for having me and know just love seeing you do so well I rooted for Ya I rooted for Hell like yet. I don't never forget when you head butted the Wall Street. You're probably sick of that. But you were doing so damn good that game while you know you know what it goes back to what we talked about earlier right. I had a lot going on with my head coach. Who wasn't completely. They're like you know what I mean. It wasn't a communication like there. Wasn't that what you talked about with your walking back. There was never that with him and that was trying to figure out what he wanted. And we were on different pages all the time and so there was a lot of turmoil between us was having a good game and just was so excited. To score a touchdown ran in. And it's not like hey I'm GonNa jump off the wall and hit my head you know but it happened and You know one of the things that I've learned from growing up in Pittsburgh was you know there's GonNa be stuff that happens to you and your life and you can either let it bring you down or you can just get back on the horse and and keep going and and to me. That's what being a pittsburghers all about like I had one of the worst things happened to me. In front of eighty million people watching it on TV and still played another eleven years after that. So things can happen in your life the that you know whether it's something like that that's very embarrassing and hard to deal with word a death or we all have those issues. Eth- why this pandemic to me is not anything that we as Americans and pittsburghers can't deal with you know it's just hey it's going to be here. Let's get let's do the best we can. Let's get it over with and let's move on Darryl Green always said to me you know the most important plays the next play out. Say based on what you just said. My father always said the worst thing you can do in business is confused. Someone right and so. You're talking about those coaches confusing. You said you know that that. Just it's the worst thing you can do in a business. That's why I work with Dr Gary Russell. Out of Connecticut now is a company called winning profile any fouls you and he lets you know who you are so then people around you understand who you are and how to deal with you always when I got into a huddle with ten other guys sometimes you had to yell at one. Sometimes you just had a patent back. Sometimes you couldn't even look at one right. You just had to let them go but everybody was different until you got the know those other guys. You wouldn't really get them to play their best until you knew them. And I felt like that's always been the case with me. You GotTa get to know me to bring the best out me so hey. Thanks for joining US. On Halloween with gusts. You can find us on radio DOT COM wherever you listen to your favorite APP or your podcast and also on MTV one last thing what we do we call it. The No huddle Jim. We have a little fun with this. And it's just a couple of quick questions and you can fire him off. I'll fire back and it's a lot of fun at the end of the show here. So first question is what is your biggest pet peeve. What is my biggest pet pe- when computers don't work like skype? I hear you all right all right now. This is a tough one right. This is a tough one. But you only can pick four. You could be coaches players whoever. What is your Mount Rushmore of steelers? Oh I'M GONNA sound arrogant here but I just agree well. Our Rudy Gain Chuck Nolan Joe. Green love it perfect? I love the Ford by Joe to that was great and that was wonderful. Okay if you had to pick a favorite football player that was a non steeler. Who WOULD IT BE? Jim Brown Jim Brown. Well you were in Cleveland for a long time so I guess that's you know futile went to school over New York. It might have been somebody else all right now if you could go back in time and give a young Jim Rooney some advice. What would that advice be? Well you know I married a woman. We're both pretty young like you. We had kids right away and I at the time I didn't know if it was the right thing to do and was the best thing I've ever done in my life so say don't doubt yourself on on that decision certainly. Yeah that does come any go back and think about when you were younger what could have done differently in the my wife and I walk all the time. We say we can't change anything that's happened to us like those move on Okay this is a good one I want to hear this from. Uk You could be commissioner of the NFL for day. What's one rule change? You would make. There's a lot more than one. Give me top. I I would say this You know while they kind of fixed it. But it's the Jesse James. Catch the you know. The guy has to feed possession to catch. We've all known that our whole lives and we sort of started to ruin that with with that so so that that this crazy interference thing that drives me that. They were reviewing interview interference last week. If if I if I had control of T I would say run the ball. Run the ball. GimMe Rocky and Franco. Back and run the ball. Right okay What is your favorite sports movie? Gosh creating trouble because I should say a football one. There's a lot of football ones. I enjoy but better. Field of dreams is my favorite football. Yeah yeah that's a that's a great sports movie okay This is a tough one and I don't think it will ever happen. But will the steelers ever leave Latrobe for training camp? Well you know I we all hope that it never does. I do worry about just sort of where the whole business is going. Are you going to get to the point where you just do like two weeks training camp and then is worth it to just not be in the facility? I I worry about that because we should we? It should never happened but I worried at football is going to drive us there you know. Oh Yeah Yeah because a lot of teams I mean I I play. I came in ninety four and we were all training camp right. We went to with Redskins. We went to Carlisle and You know it was just a great experience being with the guy for four weeks but then now a lot of teams as we went. Said we're just GONNA have at our facility right. Why spend the money for college and all of our queant and weight room and everything else and when we have it all right here and we can just practice facility. But I think it took away from the fancy because you couldn't just let the fans in the facility and see the guys and be a part of it So I agree with you. It's kind of taken a little bit away and I think the steelers would probably be the last ones to to not go somewhere. I agree okay. Obviously you've written a book. We probably love to read books or care. You'RE GONNA pick a paperback a hardback digital Well I would probably what I do. Most audio listened to the book while walking the dog. That's a good one. So that's that's actually. I get through most of the books that I wanna read but I would pick a hard back. You know because it's sort of a better version of the book and everything. Are you still a paper guy? You still get the paper or you'll I don't get every every everything days you don't see my wife. We still get papers here. 'cause she has to have the physical paper. Open it up and read it all so. I think we're the one of the only ones on the block. We got introduce your wife and my mother she she. She's been going out in covert at eighty eight years old to buy the paper. We're going crazy telling her she can but she needs the New York Times every morning she she wants three and we're like we'll just get delivered and she's like well. It's a day late if I get it delivered and I you know. She loves the newspaper. Some people do All right last one. This was straight Pittsburgh. Fan Not steelers. Okay Gimme your favorite penguin and your favorite pirates Mary. My favorite penguin without a doubt my favorite pirate. I Love Willie stargell but you know I love matlock back in the day. Though yeah he was he was great. Bill Matlock. I've been trying to get him on his show. I'll inbox and he's like well. You have to check with my PR person. I'm like you got PR person. He's doing all right then. Yeah he's doing okay. But Hey jim thanks for joining us in a huddle. It was great. I'll let you know when the episode airs and thank you so much again for joining us on huddle up with Gus Gus. Thank you and everyone. Don't forget Go find a different way to win. And and you know you can listen to it. You can read it on your iphone or you know on your computer or you can just by the hardback cover. So Jan thanks again. Thanks Take Care you take it off thank you thanks talk to you. Yeah no sometime. This is all over. May We go have a drink or golf golf. I'm a horrible Golfer Right. Run you ever played and run. Yeah Yeah I'm a member at the Phil Club. Okay I live on the sixteenth diamond. Run and you just watch you. Don't go out that much not too much. I'm on diamond run every day. I got a giant dog and I'm always walking around looking the dog if a Bernese mountain dog great I have a French mastiff huge. Yep Yeah second one We got one for the kids and we liked it so much. There's no kids but we. We got puppy two years ago my wife. Oh yeah that's great there. There are a lot of fun. They're great dogs. Great Dogs Billy. Garin is always. Had you know if you know billy from the penguins? Our kids went to school together. We would walk burners again. Yeah yeah he's always had burned. Yeah definitely up. You heard from Minnesota. Yeah I interviewed him two weeks ago. Good yeah he was in his apartment in Minnesota up in the sky you know. Everything's closed down for them so it's been kind of strange there. You are new. Gm and you're running his team and then everything just strange but it's the same way for everyone so he's not alone. Hey We want to thank you for joining us today on how to walk with gusts Where we talked a wide range of guests about how sports shape for life as always joined by my great friend and Co Host Date Hager. And we want you to be able to follow us on all of our social media at huddle up with gusts and we really appreciate you and thank you for your time and listening to our podcast. the past.

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Jim Rooney, Pittsburgh Steelers

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

12:20 min | 1 year ago

Jim Rooney, Pittsburgh Steelers

"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and it's impossible to consider that history and the breakthroughs that for exteriors controlled the team for almost ninety years Dan it's titled a different way to win Dan Rooney's story from the Super Bowl to the all the things he achieved not only in football of course he was also the United Dan this process actually well he was alive and we were talking about doing something maybe conclusion but to talk about how he tried to incorporate these things the steelers drafted more players from the HCC US than any other team and and you AAC the idea that he he tried to step into challenging situations and make the rule and he didn't just have an outsized role in the world of professional it's hard to be in a business for so long exercise so much power and so much influence with people right Jeremy You you deal with a legacy and he he you know I think you have to have to you pay special attention I don't know the pay more we had these qualities that that I think we all would like an a boss you know he he was very competent he doc with him around him knew that you know he was going to raise the bar on you but then they were very palpable from certainly my experience but I think more importantly sure Goodell Commissioner Tagliabue talk to you know sports executives and folks outside and indecency any balanced it or blended in a really good way and of course and the on race and we all know that the world of professional football is often very upgraded in the nineteen forties the steelers started an African American L. appease attitudes about racial inclusion well I certainly the history of our country Joe Job was right after Joe Louis it was my grandfather was a great promoter my father was was a better operator and he really started as you said it was the first time in NFL history that prior to the season talked him out blunt guys that went to the BBC's and they said you know it fairly and when chuck made that decision it really said to me I'm certainly proud I guess is the right way to say it that that he did it he didn't story from the Super Bowl to the Rooney rule he don't over the years since the implementation opportunity to get head coaching jobs and coordinator you take it seriously your dad died in twenty seventeen act I don't know if that's the the best word but but that there had been improvement you know how you know you're you're I don't have that number right in front of me should was very much a realist and Tony Dungy shared some of these stories with me about how it's my father sometimes would be the loudest voice saying yeah we're not we're not doing enough Bruni rule and this issue in particular we need to be doing a better job and and we're doing a better job if there's you know bear practices out there we're thinking about you know reported to the League so so you know we're we're creating do you know how do we include those over the last ten twenty Took the money you know which is their prerogative there right cashed a family that's intertwined as well with the mirrors and other one of the few families Berg even the region western Pennsylvania and your family You know where where I am in the world and folks come up to me if they you know sort of find this was something my grandfather wanted to do and my father and Joe Gordon who at this community in a in a way that was similar you know hard work and that same sort of mentality throughout and You know so you know all across the country and in different parts of the world or steeler fans and the and you know certainly are some of the with a lot of people and they become fans on on on one level or another lers fans a unique relationship especially

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Patriots Safety Devin McCourty, NBC rules analyst Terry McAulay, and Steelers history with Jim Rooney

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

1:03:10 hr | 1 year ago

Patriots Safety Devin McCourty, NBC rules analyst Terry McAulay, and Steelers history with Jim Rooney

"Peter King podcast or we'll cover week seven in the National Football League and actually quite a lot more this week my guest this week welcome to the it's network Wednesday night that's tonight if you're listening to the podcast on Wednesday so Wednesday night October twenty three at eleven atv decided listen let's make a half hour show out of the forty five minutes you had with homes and Farve and that's pretty much exactly how it sounds. I sat in a film room in Kansas City Sunday night football for football night in America for the pre game show before the Green Bay Kansas City game and obviously mahomes got hurt and Andy Reid was into it and Patrick mahomes spent over two hours on an off day right after the chiefs Bruni way it's called Dan Rooney a different way to win talks a lot about the Rooney rule talks a lot about why the steelers have succeeded by Farve a bunch of plays of mahomes and I went there to do this as a piece for NBC's August with Brett Farve. Patrick mahomes Andy Reid Andy Reid had the coaches clicker which is apt and he went through a bunch of places Terry mcaulay WHO's three times super bowl referee and now the NFL rules analyst for NBC. See you hear him with Alan Chris on Sunday nights also this week we'll be joined by Jim Rooney who is one of the Rooney staying the course over the years you're gonNA WANNA listen to Jim Rooney okay but I just wanted to tell you about a cool thing I was able to do this summer in Thirty PM EASTERN NBC Sports Network it will also air Thursday at six PM on NBC Sports Network so DVR alert. You're going to really like this show so couple things I would tell you that I found interesting number one I had this idea last read Farve Mahomes in that film room on that August afternoon in Kansas City so that's what we did it's going to err on NBC Broke Training Camp and when we were walking out after I actually got Patrick Mahomes I don't WanNa spoil this but I got Patrick Mahomes in Brett Farr family in Pittsburgh he's a son of the late Dan Rooney and he wrote a book that's really really interesting it's basically about the Dan have to play catch on the field in the chiefs indoor facility and it was such a cool moment you know as I say in the in the so it kind of put a little bit of a damper on this great video and great show we got but the BRAINIACS AT NBC who I think no bring and everybody at NBC said Hey Listen Go for it if you can do that it'd be wonderful so I convinced far to come to Kansas City jets and right now he is playing at an all world level as good as he's ever played in his ten year career we'll also be joined by as I said I felt like I feel like I'm watching field of dreams with a Kevin Costner playing catch with his old man and I hope you're going to get to be able to see this week on NBC Sports Network it's a it's a show called film study Ma so anyway we're walking out of there in the afternoon mahomes says to me hey this was really great thanks I really appreciate you setting it up facility in Kansas City how they get along and how I think mahomes might have learned a couple of things from watching farve and talking too far that who knows so just grateful to be able to do this farve and Mahomes who obviously are so much like each other on the field had met each other before but had never converse had a conversation and you'll be able to see in this great interaction that they have in this film room at the chiefs week with Devin mccourty the all pro safety of the Patriots coming off that incredible victory on Monday night thirty three to nothing over the the football league's leader in interceptions as we approach midseason Devin mccourty safety with the League's best initiate this I know it's one of the most fun things that I've done in my years covering the national football league so let's start the pod we're going to start this and be watching and you are watching one of the best defences ever to play so let's hear from Devin mccourty happy to be joined by the national we'll see on the field but anyway that is a shameless plug for something I'm doing but I know if you invest half hour of your time you're really going to New York jets and really what you're seeing in this New England patriots team if it keeps going now obviously they've had a soft schedule but if it keeps going is defense the New England Patriots Devon thanks so much for joining me no no problem for me all so devon I think I I just like to ask you what in the world is it like to play for a team that has eighteen interception guys are putting up statistically you're basically allowing three offensive touchdowns in seven weeks that's on pace to be one of the greatest defenses in the one hundred seasons of professional football I mean did you see this coming all of the numbers got could you have predicted at the start of this year how well you would have played for the first half of the season I mean the numbers that you is that something that you guys work so hard to disguise yeah we put a lot into that you know build always already done or might do on I think it's made us a better decent Devon I'm sure you heard on Monday night when when Sam Darnold was caught it is you're going to do on defense you could see this week with Sam darnold he really didn't know where the pressure was coming from I think one of the things that it's so interesting to watch quite honestly is the way that you make it so hard to predict what I don't necessarily view that as something bad about darnold here's how I view it I view it as so hard to figure out where you guys are coming from and so he'll look to a certain place where maybe the tendencies would be okay I'm going to have a blitzer six hundred seventy bucks at the table all the way to like nine fifteen nine thirty at night just sit down there and talking about nothing just enjoying each other's company I think all of that we were very confident coming in as a defense just you know you go through training camp starts starts been a good part is defense we all get along well we enjoy playing with each other we enjoy the success of the group more than anything so we really enjoyed there's been a lot of fun I think the the best part has been just a relationship with the guys on the team you know even talking you know we're in a hotel Sunday night and it's like her in this gap and there's nobody there but the blitzer is coming in another gap and so when you thought when you heard that what did you think can you get in streaks on interceptions or do you just feel real confident whether it's you or somebody else when you're putting pressure So I think we took full advantage of that and we were we were doing something we didn't do until November December last year and eight hundred May and wonder if I mean you had seven interceptions in your rookie year in two thousand ten but would you consider it I mean on the sidelines saying man I'm seeing ghosts and I think a lot has been made of that in the hours since the game but I do things not coming off last year where we're able to pick up as far as a scheme knowledge standpoint was more events than we have been in the last couple years update for you so we've always tried discussing nothing now understood and beef is of knowing what we want to disguise not just doing things but actually showing different things and then allowed one touchdown pass so far this year you're at a you're playing at a at a historic levels so far really you know obviously they're very few people me included everyday people in the media who get really get a chance to see what it's like stint you guys can play can you take me into into really what it is like to play for Bill Belichick and so you put it all together I mean it's you know it's great stuff for the media so for us I think the big deal I think that's the same way if we play we WANNA make it tough you know especially now these quarterbacks are so talented they're able to re coverages and they're really able to get the ball where they want so if you make it easy it's going to be has started each week we'll go out there and play against different quarterback I wonder so far in the first half of this season you know you're leading the NFL and interceptions and maybe a story or two about how he makes your unit better and how he can find things during the week that you're able to you at that somebody's GonNa get it. Yeah I remember my rookie year Herald National Edition coach. He's always say that to me they come in Bunches News on Sunday I think when you talk about plan from Utah just planning for probably one of the most repairs human beings does on group of guys in the back in that understand that and we understand how we need to play together so on you guys have seen it we have a lot of guys that intercepted there and I think that's coming up in the safety room into the backers about trying to make it tough and not just lining up in our calls each time to go out there so you know then quarterback because of him you know his understanding and ability to you know prepare to play against another team but also prepare to know our own team sleekness what we need she decided to say but as players we've all been there before we're just not going right And I think for us as a decent that gives us confidence of what we need to do with Devin mccourty the pro bowl safety of the New England Patriots Devon you as we record this on Tuesday afternoon October twenty two only because of how we played on front on the pressure that they're getting whether it's a format rush five minute rush you know but blitzer six guys just knowing where they need a unit and our team overall and I think that's why we've been able to be prepared and go playing some games and win some games where a lot of people counted us out as the nine at rutgers which I believe was your last season there so what was your reaction to getting them how how well do you know him I'm like I think much of it I think you put that together with our line boundaries been calling themselves boogeyman training camp remember December you're talking about we've improved on those things that's only because he ships out on each day practice you have no choice but to get better on it new word came down this morning the Patriots acquired Muhammed Sununu. Who is I believe I'm right in saying he played as a freshman in two thousand on the inside of your team and I wonder for those who serve watch your team in marvel weekend and week out how consist but I've seen over the years how close that Greg Xiangming Bill Belichick cars so the the ethos the football personalities are really the same right now as a defense the way we're playing up front on allowing whoever's in coverage to be aggressive and make plays on the ball and I think we got it Louis when you're out there and you can't stop the run you can't stop the pass you say like you can't get anything done and whatever choice of words you decide to use like you said it's this earth and then I know in this case it's football but I feel like anything you would do in Life Bill Burr prepared and I think one of the ways that he always repairs this not just what teams have done but a lot of times throughout the week we talk about what he thinks change would do kind of like what he would do if he played against them and I god I've ever seen when he came in as a freshman just always in the weight room always trying to catch the ball do extra things so I think it'd be a good fit here and can't wait inderal was telling them about you know here in New England and tried to get him here so to see that come full circle and him have the ability to come you're probably one of the hardest word this is for them to get here and get to work you know I know he doesn't care about anything other than winning so I'm excited to have him here it's so interesting all the rutgers guys coach drama just give it all hey we'll end with this devon I understand that you're in a fantasy football league this year getting better on what we need to continue to work on throughout the season as while you always see you know if something doesn't go early somehow and late you know and be able to lead the group so I'm hoping that happens I haven't talked to him so I don't even know if he's interested but I I said I think it was last week they should take all the money they have for the I think that's allowing us to the overall to be very aggressive because we trust and know where each guy's GonNa be Devon for those who don't or one star no stars and one thing you consider when we went out there to play we were going to be prepared Shannon who's GonNa make sure we went over everything over and fantasy football I don't know he's you know he's a different type of guy he's always complaining about some saying you know this kind of football stadium wait rutgers I mean I think it would be awesome you know you know I know they want to win conference championships and all that and I think that's awesome but what you through program I think not only would it help the program I think the whole state of New Jersey would be so excited to see you know in New Jersey on comeback coming in and then they moved receiver and he's the God you know even when he was a free agent and I think they were talking to him and you know I hear them I and I was like okay there's been a little better than could be hidden in college no more lax would you like to see him get the job and why do you should've picked the Patriots defense then I was going to but everyone told me you start off picking running backs and stuff so this is my first year taxes so I think we had a lot of confidence coming into the season but we never thought about numbers and all of that so and I still think we do we just go out there and trying to have fun you know that's one thing I've learned since I've been here that he's always evaluated and he's always evaluate you as an individual evaluating their offense defense special teams can you explain what's happening in your fantasy football league yeah burke say I'm not they're good at fantasy football been a little bit of a struggle I'm under five hundred she was lucky enough to drive the Patriot deeper than each week you know even when goal while she's kind of been bailed out so first second in the league overall dominating a bunch of college football players so it's not looking good for us so why does it Jason I have you played her yet this year yes she she beat me pretty bad was the NFL rules analyst for NBC Sports Back in the Peter King podcast happy to be joined by Oregon and he was he would drive it in our heads very discipline oriented coach so coming here honestly this was a little more lax than I got here and that your that your sister in law's actually beating you because she made an interesting draft choice this year NBC's NFL rules analyst Terry mcaulay a veteran of three super bowls as referee and now in the booth after seven weeks of the NFL season we're mid season I think it's safe to say that probably one thing has surprised me his and to be observed and analyzed in the last two minutes of a half when the challenge flags could not be senior vice president of officiating as you have looked at this why do you think the the NFL has not have you talked about trying to be prepared as a defense and to go over things like there's tons of gopher things that haven't even come up yet but I think he sees it eatings which was allowing pass interference calls in non calls to be challenged flagged by coach a basically allowed riverine or whether river on his just not done it why are they not overturning calls that appear to be in the Allen Chris on Sunday night terry thanks so much for joining me this week thank you Peter thanks for having me look forward to talking with you so as we sit here right now terry thrown by coaches that really this is not gone the way that anybody thought it would go during March with one of the last Devin mccourty safety of the record setting New England patriots who had his fifth interception on Monday night in the route of the New York think it's not one of the last twenty seven calls having been overturned by our river on the NFL a lot about officiating this year and that is the fact that what was a rule that was passed in March at the NFL. No problem man anytime are saying Stu Devin mccourty now let's move onto Terry mcaulay Harland's that they used in March to be clear and obvious to be overturned that that is a great question Peter you know we've watched this evolved I don't know if it was her genius or J. Forcing her to drag them while she was in the house so it's working out really well for she's I want to choose we're kind of learning on the go wow hey listen devon good good luck the rest of the way really appreciate you joining me on the podcast this week thank you anything and it was the same way in college when I tell people all the time you know all the two are gone rockets we had a lot in a lot of to stuff his ruined in the game so whenever whenever whenever all four of us my wife and we start talking about it he gets all angry but no one really cares about rockers and you think about success and it all came under Koshien and he went there when it was when didn't look good went to a one eleven season and to see what he was able to do what and and certainly our fear early on was was that it was gonna be too technical too overly technical and they were going to be turning overturning many decided that I always saw new you know from the one year we got the jury actually came into the safety When I was studying corner at the time so I was excited we ought to study clear and obvious video evidence of significantly hindered standard that we that I think we all kind of understood as we started the preseason we had calls that just shouldn't have been but it certainly gone the exact opposite direction and you know we we had Tommy Lee Lewis hit my question is would that be overturned I fear it would not be because I think what the NFL is doing is basically saying we have put this Rule in to save our Bacon game were not calling it and I just believe right now that they would not call the Tommy Lee Lewis Nicole Roby Coleman play that interference on our Sunday night game Kansas City was clearly obviously not a foul is so we're we're still in a gigantic game or a playoff game and if plays happen in regular season games where it doesn't have a tangible effect on the more than a yard that's the last time we saw a reversal in pass interference and and I think before that we'd seen a couple that name and it was a let's say a three score game and a challenge flag were thrown on the Nicole Roby Coleman four plays that do seem clear and obvious to the world but in in this objective world of pass interference at least one person does were on the edge that maybe made them uncomfortable it's fair to Pittsburgh Seattle Defensive Pass interference that was created the MINNESOTA offensive pass interference on a on blocking downfield took touchdown away kind of generated some talk so it seems that after meeting of the minds in New York and the committee and with along with Al River on or it's or it's Alan his own going this direction but it's the biggest question really for Al is is that and this is a totally totally hypothetical question I'm sure I know that reversed an offensive pass interference and really the only reason that one was reversed was New York felt that that it was clearly not oh struggling to find what is the standard for a reversal at this point. I can't say where it's coming from I I don't know if this was oh you would answer this but I fear that if in a regular season game with four minutes left in the game were those they pull back pretty significant well very significantly to to as a lot of course like to say a really high st that started this uproar and led to this rules change I don't think they would call it unless it was in a big game I think that's a reasonable it's clearly changed and and I I don't think it's for the better I think we have these these half dozen or so maybe maybe more bantered now but none of seem to know what that standard is because nothing's being reversed I it's it's certainly not the clear and obvious standard because I through the first three weeks there might have been a hiccup or two here and there but but there were some calls change and you're right then all of a sudden the last call asked Peter Because based on your experience based on my experience we seem plays that are better I'll use the word worse than the all that was changed the last rule that was changed was Philadelphia Green Bay Zakar on a touchdown plate booth it wasn't even a challenge it was a booth review not believe that evidence is clear obvious and has not has decided not to change those my my biggest question Allah's is Al The golden tape play was clear and obvious Michael Thomas plays clear off on offensive pass interference in Tampa Bay New Orleans the T. Y. Hilton called offensive owns a good full second or maybe more before the past from Daniel Jones arrived but it was in a fourteen uh-huh no no question I think it's fruitless now for coaches to throw the challenge flag period and that's what the NFL wants they don't want any of the I don't think I'm making making a taking up for the officials because it's clearly a foul but we've seen plays that are that are earlier than that the NFL whether it'd be our river on whether it'd be someone whether it'd be the competition committee who knows someone is telling or either coldplay you throw out the helmet-to-helmet hit but are more obvious I believe the golden tape play was more obvious than than the Robie Coleman cannot believe that a royal got past and then five or six months later it is being officiated totally different from the rule that was passed this totally meaningless move on nothing to see here and if they were going to do that that's how they should have written the rule they didn't write the rule that way so somebody right patriots game it was maybe four minutes to go and so the NFL looks at that Hour Veron looks at that and say who cares orange flag then we will make the change to the play that was made on the field and we have seen I but my my biggest problem with all this is that when this rule was passed it was passed to say if there was clear and obvious evidence and a coach he's plays in Green Bay Oakland in the first quarter they don't want Jon Gruden throwing the challenge flag they just don't want it and so we discussed having a different standard and replaying a different standard field creates its own problems in and of itself but I did but it is a rule it is a rule that that is in place and until it's not a rule anymore it does need to be enforced as written I understand there's objectiveness and I understand you I I I somewhat agree with a higher standard although I think have more that have equal amount of restriction that have not been reverse oh I think that's a reasonable assessment and if that's the case challenge flag and think okay this is GonNa be the one you know we have seen it in three weeks but this is going to be the one where we're Al River on someone is telling or our river on his decided that I am not going to enforce the rule as it was written that's my biggest problem with it I just the way I mean Roby Colin play was was was closer than a lot of people give it credit for yes it's still a thou- don't get me wrong I don't want want New Orleans I like we had a conversation at the time there was passing I think everybody knows that I I don't like the rule at all I mean I I don't think it ever should have been implem- and I sometimes I get apoplectic about it I just find it very hard to believe that this has happened and I can't disagree with you contact at all but certainly in the T. Y. Hilton case on Sunday night and Kansas City Indianapolis t y Hilton made no contact with Tyrone Matthew I think it would behoove the NFL to tell us that if we know that if the coaches know that we'll we'll all adjust don't you think I mean I think we can make that real time and and you saw it again this past weekend p Carroll or Pat Shurmur feels they they have a clear not dismiss so they're going to throw the can can pick up so much more than it did when you first started officiating and I wonder as an official knowing just going to say yes you're right this is pass interference I need to create a flag and it's not happening but but I don't see it stopping completely is that the number of cameras and the the precision of the picture now the added pixels in the camera old it's it's not that that verbiage anymore and and and I just wish we knew what it was wish we knew what the verbiage was what the AH hindered so I thought we had a fairly decent starting place to implement this rule and and and and as I said as it's evolved I know some coaches seem to have stopped but but all of them are going to they're going to say this is the one and and the problem that's going to be wh-what when when he gets a play what's going to create you know the the Synapse Afar that I'm going to reverse this when what is the rule right now we'd love to know Terry mcaulay NBC's NFL rules analyst. Terry I understand you don't want too much subjectivity in an and I think they tried to get rid of as much subjectivity when they went clear and obvious video evidence how this crop of officials obviously the seventeen cruise feel is there added pressure with the added Create Peter once he does that that play is now going to be compared against every one of these that he has not changed I say when when he does technology of what television affords a affords people cow river on to be able to see Tyrone Matthew did contact t y Hilton but t y Hilton did not contact tyron matthew so it could not possibly be offensive pass interference and yet it still was I would say a good eight to ten the most noticeable was and I you referred to it Golden Tate getting mugged by Jonathan Joe always of the mindset none of that mattered it didn't matter whether Mike Pereira was talking about my call or or who was watching it or what the announce were staying with the fans minimize that pressure no matter how many people are watching in super slow motion hd you know I'm also curious you have to have to forget about what just happened or what's happening around you and focus exactly so so yes that pressure is there it's probably the answer is yes there is a added pressure but there should not be you know I I kinda came through this this this this thing you know my early days out of your mind that the only thing that matters is the next play now that being said I you know we have a it's it's a huge crop of young shen just about overall officiating and I think one of the things that has to be very difficult for an official on the field today it's the youngest I think the staff has ever been I I'm not sure they're all there that there yet it needs to be developed I was if he does that now you're going to have that comparison and again I think you're looking for well I take that back I was I was GonNa say you're looking for no cost every year if I could go back I just wish that I could go back quite literally the thirty five years that I've covered the what you believe right now when you watch the game today somebody said Oh my gosh is this the worst officiating has ever been and I say no I don't think it's the worst it's ever been in fact I think it's pretty good I and I say that because Bat you know in my early days by by some of the longtime veterans that had been there in the you know from the seventies and eighties you know how to how to officiating worse this year than it has been or is the microscope just whiter and hotter I it's not were nfl I spend maybe a fifth to a quarter of my time every year talking or writing or asking cameras or the or the announcers or whatever but you have to have the especially at the NFL level. I've once you've gotten there you have to have the ability to put that completely questions about officiating that's how it seems because every year they say this is the worst it's ever been so from your perspective is narrow that they need to get back to in these subjective worlds of roughing the passer pass interference holding narrow the difference not reversed so I I I'm not sure at this point what again I said it several times I'm GonNA continue it. What is the standard under a bright spotlight and that was one of the things we talked about early on with putting pass interference under review now you have these these non it's hard it's it's it's goes against human nature to dimiss dismiss all this this this noise that's going on whether it be the can it just multi minute conversations about whether something's pass interference or not you have week long conversations about whether it's pass interference or not and we're doing booming whatever the mindset of the official has to be at every moment I'm just going to get the next play right and I and I know it's lot of it depends on a particular does the particular mistake come at the wrong time is there a bad result they're more because of the youthfulness of staff I think as they get more reps in a and as they understand the game better hopefully they'll be able to to late night to ninety nine we just didn't have H I don't I don't think we even had hd at the time maybe we did but at least it maybe it was the beginnings of it and then we we came into that but I was I just wonder at this point you know Rick Gosselin the respected football writer had an interesting tweet the other day is through is the increase in the number of fouls and I know that sometimes this is directed by the League office but I you know I'm just haven't been incredibly difficult to work because they've been somewhat blowouts early but but they've done really really well so we had these these two plays this past week and you know they're close all right maybe yes maybe no Chris talks about it for maybe fifteen seconds and we move onto the next flight and that's IT flags make a worse game so I wonder is there something the NFL can do about this or is the NFL in on with pass interference review it makes it sound like it makes it sound like it is Teri the last thing that I want to touch base with you on six six that the number of penalties are up in the last ten years three penalties per game called penalty and I think what we see maybe this year is is more of the mistakes have occurred when in in in critical moments I do I than it's ever been you're you're absolutely right there it's ebbed and flowed over the years a lot of it depends on how the ball bounces obvious calls being made that are not fouls in an obvious calls not being made that are fouls so they they need to know what those inconsistencies to be narrow you want him to be on the margin basically is the whole or the pass interference enough there's something there but is it the whatever so that spotlight that microscope has added more to the conversation of whether they're worse than ever or not picking mistake organism mistake happened that just nobody notices because it's it's a it's an incorrect hold on a on a three yard loss enforce it strictly and technically you know most of these spouse or their the problem is that when you're getting L. simply just trying to enforce the rules absolutely by the book and whatever happens happens I I'm not sure they're trying I think there are there are more mistakes being made in the in the area of obvious Mrs this year you're always gonna be on Hussy crew chose not to call any of them all of them would have been supported but did they need to be called they just didn't you want that we you know we had a couple of passengers situations Sunday night in fact last last cruise on Sunday night have done really well I know the games it marked off penalties per game for twenty seven yards and and I just wondered I agree with Gosselin more penalty house they officials have to be in the mindset here's my guidance here are the rules and based on that right guidance based on the rules the players are now going to side how many bows they're going to be I do think we're getting too many on the edge fouls and I'm going to go back are those big ones well we're going to have twenty eight of those big ones but stay away from the technical marginal calls that that that that you're talking about I and like you said they're they're they're they're not but because there's the ability for people talk about more with social media and the spotlight of what's going stop stop looking for those on the edge plays you're GONNA get a once in a while but you can't have a plethora of plays that that you kind of raise your seminars and and Kinda got a feel for how he was going to work at how New York was going to deal with these plays in the preseason and you know this many fouls that are there and then you get one or two more that are on the edge or are are not there then that brings a big spotlight that there's too many fast as a now let's hope the you know our river on his guidance says let's let's make sure everything we have we is big and if there's twenty Gedalya our producer about it that's the blueprint we hope to see for the rest of the season for all games certainly for Lavar Games and I wish for every game crews have to and and that adds to the spotlight on the on the microscopic view of everything they're doing out there and and I don't think off and that's the only conversation that happens and then maybe one game it is and one game isn't so you're on the you're on the margin what we've seen this year is too many brel out at do we really need that one and hopefully we're only in two weeks seven now as we get into the heart of the sea that's it there's not this week long thing where somebody throws a challenge flag and and now Albert reverse it and now we spend three days talking about whether he should have them why and they didn't call them and it made for a much

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"Our two of selecting sports. You thought it couldn't get any better but it sputter rift. It'll is back. He's so great. I can't believe how awesome he is. More sports talk. Yes couldn't get any better. Rental is back. He's so great. I can't believe how awesome he is more sports talk. Yes our two of titillating sports to check me out and check me out. Costa Kenniston around the world on American forces radio network. It's great happy with US wherever you are listening as part of our armed services and Mandy Baseball and this is why we love new baseball content coming out and this is why were quite happy to welcome authors. Zack Meisel to the show. His brand new book called Cleveland rocked the personalities sluggers and magic of the Nineteen Ninety Five Indians and Zach. Welcome to the show that Four decades of no pennant and being the brunt of the joke and I remember the mistake by the lake back in the day. The old municipal stadium there. What did that mean to to get Jacobs field and to have such an exciting turnaround down there? No it's it's funny. How worked out because they had set up for this winning window for about five years. They started after the eighty nine season. Some trades they committed to rebuilding and the plan was when they moved into their new ballpark. Jacobs field in one thousand nine hundred four. They wanted a team that was ready to win and they were playing pretty well and then the strike hit so they never really got to find out what they were capable of that first year but what that did was it made everybody just on the edge of their seats waiting for the ninety five season to arrive once they sorts out everything with the strike. And then you had players coaches front office just all obsessed with finding out. How good can everybody be on this team individually and then as a unit and then from the Fan's perspective like you said after forty one years without a playoff berth and just always near the basement in the American league it all came together perfectly and you had this collection of lovable personalities and the team that won one hundred games even though the season was cut short to one hundred and forty four games? So it was perfect script pretty much. The first thing I thought of when I saw the title of your book was the bee's between Omar of his CAL and Jose. Mesa that correct me if I'm wrong. This wrote a book kind of blaming Mesa for the meltdowns and the blown saves and then Mesa said I will hit him every time I see the rest of his career and then he hit him like two or three times and he's like okay. I'm done hitting all is forgiven. Is that kind of the synopsis of it. So that starting those the ninety seven world series Fluid tonight's inning of game seven. But yeah I mean the rivalry. Was there the funny part is in ninety five? It was Jose. Mesa became the closer. They went into the season without one and he he was like the leading contender and then by about midday. He had proven he can handle it. So he's the closer he has. This incredible year area was one. He went like forty six or forty eight and saves He was phenomenal and our friends their lockers next to each other they play pranks on each other all the time. So yeah that happened in ninety seven. I think Omar's book came out in two thousand two from there on. It was just anytime they that on the field. There were some sort of fireworks to come. That was that's a good reminder to because I was thinking the Matt Williams trae lambs trade was in ninety six right when canton Vizcaino because a number of giants fans were crying about that. That's that's a different. That's the Indians team that lost in the marlins ninety five when loss lost to Atlanta right. It's weird because ninety five. I mean the lineup was loaded with like hall of Famers Jim. Thome e Erez in outer bell and Eddie Murray and I think people think about that team because it was so good it went to the world series. The first year of that contention window and a lot of people just think. Oh well they have like a pretty similar team. The whole stretch of the nineties. We're good for like seven years but that's not the case at all like by ninety seven. When I made the one st again it was a completely different team and not as good team. Either they only one eighty six games that year. Just got hot nuts over. You mentioned our Beller as we knew him at the time Joey Bell and he didn't want to be called that he to his real name. Albert and Indian draft a college. Lsu Are Auburn one of those and he you know high pick great slugger but Irascible Mer remember the know who's the guy from Sacramento the infielder. He elbowed him in the face when he was trying to tag him out. He also hummed the ball and do a fan's chest. What was it like dealing with Joey Slash Albert in those days? So it's interesting like we can lift off all the off-the-field antics or even some of them are on the field. Guess but It got to a point before he even got to the major leagues with the news sat down and had some powwows were. They were thinking. Do we cut ties with this guy. Is he worth the trouble And and some front office. People put their jobs on the line. Eventually they went out. He proved he was one of the best hitters in the league and he was worth the trouble. Even though sometimes I think people would not necessarily regret that decision. But just make you think twice about it but I the one thing you can say about him especially by nineteen ninety five when he had proven that he was an impact hitter in the middle of the lineup and that season he had the only fifty homer fifty doubles season in major league history but he was so obsessed with just destroying the opposing pitcher and wanted to intimidate them and just crush their soul and because of that it kind of took away his like like it was a good thing. He was so obsessed that it took away from the off-the-field antics like yeah. He smashed thermostat here. He looked over dinner. Table here but For the most part it worked and he was actually a guy that like Manny Ramirez. Told me who young at the time would look up to and try to follow his hitting regimen so but that point it was. I mean you didn't want to get in his way he didn't want to say their own thing But he was he was a guy to watch how prepared for every single game and that killer instinct you had is something I think everybody on the team wanted no doubt about it and as you say in your subtitle personalities. I. It's funny to think about that pitching staff at the time because I remember. Nagy remember buddy black but I forgot that President Day was on that team. I forgot John Farrell was on that team. Eric plunk who the the as traded to get Ricky Henderson back a young a Greg Olsen. I mean it's just It's funny when you actually go to Julian Lavarra's the kid who would go on to fame with other teams as well they were pretty stacked was and what you see this all the time now but seems didn't really do this back then but they stripped everything down and they built up with young players and when they knew that they had a core with they'll Lofton tolmie Ramirez And some of the other guys. They added veterans. So you got tennis Martinez. They added Orel Hershiser in ninety five and it was. It was a nice collection. Good compliments I mean you had on the hitter side. You had Dave Winfield Eddie. Murray a couple of hall of famers. Who could teach anybody anything you ever needed to know about hitting? And I'm the pitching side Dennis Martinez Orel Hershiser were so the more experienced seasoned veterans in the League so it was a nice mix. It's how you had the personalities. You had the cocky young guys who wanted to have fun like Lofton by Erica. The scall- Manny Ramirez two Varas. But you had people to keep them in line. You've had people to remind everybody with admission was so whether it was her chidester Martinez guys like Wayne Kirby and Varroa spinoza position players played a big role with that like they had the right mix in the clubhouse so that I think Kenny Lofton called it son chaos but that's fun. Chaos ended when it was time for. I itch I've got about one hundred questions and only only have time for one more and I want to ask you about grover because you know as a kid my fifties. I'm Mike Hargrove. Is The human rain delay. You know he would step out and Redo his gloves and everything but I just. I admired the guy admired the the way that he was stoic and yet simultaneously being players manager and I think when they lost those two world series. I felt more sorry for him than any player. Which is weird. I usually feel sorry for a player. But what WHAT DID GROVER MEAN TO CLEVELAND? He was he was critical. Because you had to have the right personality to steer the ship and I think later on in the nineties you know it was a little different when you lose in the playoffs over and over you feel that sense of urgency and I think was ninety nine after the they collapsed in the division series helping needed to change and I voice and so they moved to on my cargo but hargrove advocated them. I mean in ninety one he took over. They lost one hundred five games but that was the season when they thought we have the right pieces in place. They just need to get experience. And you know you're you're hoping okay like this thing. Looks like it's going to be ready to ninety four when we look at the new poll ballpark and then in ninety three to have a tragedy in spring training or two of their players died in a boating accident. Mike Hargrove young manager at the time. Got This young team through something like that and then the next year. It's like okay. We're ready like we got to win some games now And there are a lot of different hurdles. He had to help this team clear and the main thing ninety I did I mean they were. They were a fun bunch. They're cocky but he told them like once. It gets to six o'clock every night and we're an hour from first pitch you turn off the SALSA MUSIC. Stop Messing around I pull pranks on each other. You're on my time now. And they respected him and I think over time maybe that wears off a little bit. You hear the same voice over and over quite work as well. But in ninety five he had command of that clubhouse and you look at some of the names and you think about the personalities on that roster. I don't think every manager could just walk in there and do that and it says a lot about because those were some really accomplished talented players and a lot of really big. Egos you know. I forgot about that. Both that. Hit that DOC. Bobbio `Hada was the guy that survived that I forgot all about that. All right a baseball fans not just fans of the tribe. Make sure you pick up the book. Cleveland rocked the personality sluggers and magic of the one thousand nine hundred ninety five. Indians at is available. Now it's brand new from our guest. Zack Meisel of the Athletic Zach. Congratulations on the book man. It's perfect timing forward as well and hopefully we'll get to talk baseball again soon. Man Sounds good. 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I'll do it but another name resurfaced this week. That didn't any part of it. And that's John Stockton and Jason here said I finally got Stockton on the phone after two years of chasing him and he said I do not want to be a part of a Michael Jordan. Puff piece. Wow now here's the thing about stockton. Everyone's like Oh Great Guy Gonzaga. The reason John Stockton was on the Dream Team because everybody hated Isaiah. Okay it should have been him and not stockton but once. They got the Barcelona. He was the one guy who refused to stay in the Olympic Village. You thought it was too spartans. We stated a five star. Hotel should tell something about stockton telling you right but the The interview he did on March tenth of this year. That's how late it was to get stockton and this. I thought this was all in the CAN. That is ridiculously late to throw in an interview. They would say. What do you mean news organizations? Turn THAT STUFF. Rana less than an hour I I know. I'm just saying a planned film like they have. But here's the thing March Eleventh Rudy. Gobert tested positive for corona virus. And so they got it in by one day. Stockton eventually agree to participate. He's going to be featured. The jazz faced off with Jordan. The Bulls Ninety seven and ninety eight finals on both occasions and needless to say they lost both times. But in the seventh episode of the last dance we got to see. Jordan's leadership style come to the forefront and some of the more revealing things where the behind the scenes picking on Scott Burrell and he doesn't Jordan just picked him out kind of as that Guy. I guess the Judd Bush lurs and the Steve. Kerr's we're a little bit too obvious but Judd Bush or did say that his teammates were afraid of Jordan. Now here's a Jed Bush thing I want you to remember as a warrior fan who had to through Judd Bush ler what I was working television games for the warriors as the studio technical director. This isn't the run. Tmc Days in the nineties. You're old I know. And the warriors were down by three with about two seconds left the ball gets inbounded it gets Bush Ler Bush. Slurred drives down the lane into the paint. The five defenders part like the Red Sea he lays the ball in the horn. Sounds and the warriors lose by one and we're all in the studio like what the Hell Are you doing? Why did he do that you idiot? And then you see him turn around and you see the other team celebrating and he was like oops one of those. Jr Smith moments. But we have these effects. Mike's Mike's TV are the mics that you might see them. Sometimes a little a dish that just means sound effects. You know the football error. Her baseball all that was that must be a bad crowd. Stick with me all right. That's what it's supposed to be judd. Buchler turnaround in our affects. Mike picked it up. And you heard on Nelson say swear word. He screamed and his face. What the F. Are you doing? Yeah so you talk about a guy who was lucky to be a part of those teams but with Jordan. He said look. Winning has a price and leadership has a prize so I pulled people along when they didn't want to be pulled. I challenged people when they didn't want to be challenged. And I earned that right because my teammates who came after me didn't endure all the things that I endured. Once you join the team you lived at a certain standard that I played the game and I wasn't GonNa take anything less now if that means. I had to go in there and get your ass than I did that. And it's true Gary Lineker. My favorite soccer player re tweeted that little bit. He said sometimes you do have to pull along year inferior teammates. I know that sounds called to say inferior teammates. But just because you're a pro doesn't mean you're star and Jordan went on you. Ask My teammates. One thing about Michael Jordan third person was. He never asked me to do something that he didn't effing do when people say this. They're going to say well he wasn't really a nice guy. He have made a been a tiaret. No well that's you because you never wanted anything. I wanted to win but I wanted them to win to be a part of that as well. Look I don't have to do this and I'm only going to do it because it is who I am. That's how I played the game. That was my mentality. If you don't WanNA play that way don't play that way now. The interesting thing is quote when he was saying that he was tearing up and then he calls for a break and he gets up and then the credits roll at the end of episode seven. He's like taking a break. You just got out the chair you know and so if you look there are a lot of people and I think most people who are a holes that is either just their personality or they're drunk with power or they're they got some sort of daddy issue or some sort of their wives hand. Pack them whatever it is but they they lash out against other people are. They said that's just their personality and they can't help being a jerk at all times but it just tells you how seriously Jordan wanted to win the Jordan. Treat everybody else like that then seem like it. Let's just like if you WANNA be on my team. You better try and I'm GONNA get in your behind out it. We'll talk more about that. On the other side of the phone lines are open one. Eight hundred eight seven eight play. Come back the TVS television network for decades your home for Great Sports TV is you can watch six sports channels now streaming on watch your dot TV. It's free and it's on the Internet as well as on Roku android iphone and IPAD APP watch. Tv Sports Network GPS CLASSIC SPORTS NETWORK. He triple sports network. Tv s women's sports network CBS Tavern Sports Network at TBS boxing network that's TV television network six free channels at. Watch your DOT TV. 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Video Games are way more important than your job. Your school or your relationship. So let's talk about everything from the two thousand six hundred. The three sixty. I don't work for any video game company so I'll tell you what worth your money. And what stinks? Also Chico's interviews your calls. I'll give away a game release dates all that more every Sunday night. Right here on the sports byline. Usa Broadcast Network. Oh come now. Don't be ashamed. We'll have a crisies Listen John Back Down. I wish you would try and slap Rick Kittles Mama's face he would clown you thank you for that and welcome back to the show. Rikhye with you. Scott just texted me pubs closed till twenty twenty. One I guess that's England getting an English update But we are. We don't know what's going on. We're here to talk mostly sports. This is what I'm trying to. But the thing about Jordan tearing up the last time that the director Jason here met with Jordan. He asked him. Why did you say yes to the documentary and Jordan? Getting some answers than he said. Well why didn't you WanNa do the documentary Jordan about this? He said he wasn't sure people are going to fully understand why he was so intense and why he treated his teammates that way So they would have ten hours to put that behavior in context and in that way. I think it's pretty successful. Jordan puts himself out. There will produce calls them an a whole jerk. But a hell of a teammate in the same breath pippen said I needed him to be the bad guy. The tough Guy Steve. Kerr said that he would challenge teammates constantly in various settings and with various techniques. And you had to stand up to him to earn respect. And of course Steve. Kerr got punched in the face by him. I got into a mini fight. And that's the thing he talked about. Steve Kerr Jeb. Bush who we're on the Bulls were on the Bulls. Because you didn't win crap. Don't be acting like you're on the Bulls. Look the bill. Wennington said he would test. You push your buttons. And he said I loved playing with Michael because it meant that you were going to win right. So the whole fistfight behind it is there's no one single roadmap to a fistfight like that and it happened in training camp in nineteen ninety five and they went onto win a record. Seventy two games. Some of the most harmonious basketball. The League has ever seen and Phil Jackson. The book eleven rings and he called that fight the turning point and the CISCO GM's Clement says leadership is like ice cream different styles different brands different flavors and I would add and then it melts melts. But Kerr kind of echoed that point because he said after winning a championship with San Antonio and three he told Gregg Popovich he said the difference between Michael and Tim Duncan is that you are always playing with Tim. But on the Bulls. You felt like you're playing four Michael. Because we were scared to death of him and he said that's not the case. When you look at Dunkin or Steve Nash or Steph Curry because Kerr said Duncan gnashing curry are equally as powerful. But just totally different. So does that disproved. The notion that superstars have to always be abrasive obviously not NFL head coaches you can rant and rave and when super bowls you can be stoic and a leader that way quietly and still win. So is it possible. That Jordan and the Bulls were great despite his approach. Rather than because of it. I think it's probably mostly because if you grew up when Jordan was in his palm you probably idolized him now. He's just a couple of years older than me sell. It wasn't like idolized them. But I mean obviously think he's the best I've ever seen. I did watch him in person and did lots of his TV games. But you know as a fan you could ride off some of these unsavory stories about punching do or punching Kerr or the maniacal competitiveness pitching pennies with guards at one guard with the wacky hair. I mean Kobe Bryant was a Jordan disciple and he was the same win at all costs. Guy The the Mumba mentality not exactly the same but still win at all costs and Michael. Lahey wrote a book in two thousand four called one nothing else matters that was about Michael's comeback with the Whiz and if you think about it Jordan the rough edges were there and that you tried to get enough wins to sand it off and it just didn't work. Let's go to the phone lines at one. Eight hundred eight seven eight play. We Got Charlie and Manhattan. What's going on today my man? Hey Rick you'll yeah sorry I just You say hello. I'm sorry I wanted to you. Were talking with a gentleman about the Cleveland Indians. And that's about Albert Bell did you Do you think he's a hall of Famer Now? Oh really you you Because I I not that Santa's but I I just he dominated decade or close to the deck You know from the early nineties late nineties I know. His final numbers I don't think we're hall of fame worthy but I I in my in my opinion when a player dominates for a decade like Kirby Puckett or you know someone like mattingly I think they belong in the hall of fame. I think she's solely is not you think statistically he doesn't belong in there or do you think I didn't because of the surly you know more of his personality and how he treated sports writers such well. There's no doubt that his irascible behaviour is going to keep some sports writers. I don't I don't care what your attitude is and look and you're right for a decade. He'd give you one hundred. Rbi but he never got to four hundred home runs and he played twelve years. I mean you could say the same thing about a a guy like a Edwin and Carson and encarnacion gives you a hundred. Rbi's every year. I just I think he was a great player. But here's the thing I don't think big PAPI's a hall of Famer either and I'm probably the only guy in America thinks that because yeah I just. I'm just not a fan of his now. He'll go in because he hit over five hundred Jackson. He probably deserves it. But when you say who are some of the greats? I don't think Joey Bell I would think big PAPI before him but to me Joey Bell was just a a good player. I just see him back. Yeah Yeah I I. Maybe maybe because more senile dementia setting i. I just remember in like my son's. I mean there's just so aggressive I we always thought that you belonged in all is is i. I agree with you and your feelings about the age. I Love The D. H. I hate seeing pitcher. Get up there and you know what you were talking about yesterday But with that being said I agree. I don't think I am. But that's I I really sets it. I don't think the ages necessarily like I don't I think if you don't play the field that should affect you getting to the whole thing. Is that good Martinez in the whole thing. Yeah is all right. I thought so I wasn't aware about because I you know if someone was going to go with it was going to be the HR would be But yeah I just remembered album the I I just. I mean some of his numbers. I think when you're like sixty fifty home run season okay. Well he does yeah. He went in and the summer last summer. And I'm a guy who wouldn't have voted for him either. I don't know I just. I grew up in the seventies. You had to get the four hundred home runs. And whoever got there was automatically in Dave Kingman was the first guy to get there. And they'll go. Okay we'll rethink it. I mean Palmero has like five hundred home runs and he's not going in but for a guy who made his whole life as a d. age and look the guy hit over three hundred. He was a remarkable player. He barely got the three hundred. Jack's three Oh nine I think it is and I. I don't know maybe it's a dumb thing to hold against him. But I just I kind of think otherwise you got to put Dave if you talk about who dominated a decade than you think. You gotta put Dave Stewart in or I just. I think you know what I mean. It's subjective you're saying I mean like but that can be working reverse you can look at some players from Tyler 's I Told me you know He. Is He a hall of fame? I mean he doesn't have six hundred home months. I mean I would not have voted for him. No neither would okay all right because that can sometimes work in reverse these players. You know hanging around just compile compile and then they just get in because they they've accumulated thirty thousand hits over you know thirty years if you know whatever you know something Being extreme but That's what I think about. Don Sutton remember him. What the as he was targeted dollars. Don Sutton Pitch Twenty three years. Of course you'RE GONNA get three hundred wins. If you pitch twenty three years he don Sutton never won twenty games. The he did one time. I know like in the bicentennial fully agree. That's why I get upset when Y- compilers debt highly tout what. We'll we'll agree to disagree again on. I thought he should be in the hall of fame Did well one last question with Jim. Rice wasn't held back from getting in because of his disposition. Personality was he sort of like go punished. I don't remember him. He was being punished for that. But it's sunny. I believe wasn't he the first million dollar a year guy? I think so. Yeah he he was either the first one hundred thousand dollars. I don't even know how old they anywhere but he was I. It took him all fifteen ballots. I think it was. His last year was ten years ago. Yeah it was like his last chance and I go okay but you know. He didn't have a three hundred average. He didn't have four hundred home runs You know he was more of a Red Sox team guy but he finally got it. He finally got him. Okay you look at one last question for. Can't you look at statistics? Based on error to even going back into the seventy eighty as compared to like. Now you don't you have to give sort of like a scale or You absolutely and I think that's what happened with Andre Dawson because here Andrew Dawson was he. He had gotten a four hundred home runs. But they're like yeah he was you know whatever the ten time all star but and rookie of the year but you know he was never a dominant guy and then they go back and say wait. He did all that without steroids. Okay we'll put them in right right. Yeah absolutely okay all right. Rik Nice talking to you You have a good weekend buddy and I'll talk. Actually Charlie have a great weekend. That's Charlie calling from Manhattan. Who thinks that Albert Bell hoping that's very interesting. Our Bell was a dominant guy. There's no doubt and there were a couple of seasons. Where if you wanted to drive and run so it'd be the guy but I remember the thing he gotta remember about me. Is that number one. I love cold toilet seats number two. I'm a black heart. When it comes to getting into the hall of fame you have to be Wayne. Gretzky be Babe Ruth and then we started talking about it these ballots. Now it's like oh come mind you gotta put Larry Walker in you gotta put Larry Walker in the hall of fame. Right good thing. I don't have a ballot. I'm rick little. Come on back on Sports Bilal. But the house where the drama to March. I wanted to be imagine. This is your money and someone wants to take it from you. Who Is it the IRS? They want your money and guess what they can legally take all of it if they want remember. They sent you that letter that said hey always a bunch of cash and we're going to take it from you so what you do fight back. 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In fact coming up in about fifteen minutes we're going to have the owner of the Pittsburgh steelers Moroni and I'm going to tell him that Terry Bradshaw's read now one more thing about Jordan's leadership skills talking about that Look that Jim Lay wrote When he went to the wizards and because we've seen him rip. Scotty Burrell a practice and Scotty. Braille was such a nice guy as they said he. Just Ha- laughed it off the bigger man than me But one time. He told the flight attendant. Don't give horace grant any food because he had a bad game but how about this eighteen year old kwami Brown number one pick and in practice quality was complaining about not getting calls and a scrimmage and Jordan called him an effing. Flaming rhymes with bag begins with enough an effing flaming F. Because he was complaining and practice about that so listen he was the big dog and the one thing about Jordan that I gotta respect was he could back it up so many times those guys they talk smack like that and they're worse than you are so all at least give them that back it up. We got another hour together. Come on back You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percent. Mino- her by newsbeat is supported by advertisers and contributions by you follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. Phone service to a newscast for me. Fifteen twenty twenty i Mike Clifford the federal government's ousted vaccines. Dr Told Wall makers Thursday at the country's in deep stuff and I'm being polite. They're replacing an expletive that from the New York. Daily News Dr Richard Bright Father Whistleblower complaint after being abruptly removed last month from his Krona Virus Vaccine Development Post right toe lawmakers the. Us is feely unprepared for war. Corona virus fallout because top administration. Officials ignored his early warnings and then retaliated against him for sounded the alarm. The Daily News reports bright said these very the problem dogged on him in late January when he received an email from a medical supply company executive warning him that mass stockpiles were already getting decimated. Climate activists are pleased with much of the new proposed stimulus bill but they are urging Congress to make sure it puts the needs of people over a corporate profits. The House could vote today on the proposed. 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Reporting and Wisconsin stayed home order for the pandemic was due to run through may until these state Supreme Court ended it much sooner however that is not stopping local and county governments from carrying out their own orders. Here's Mike Bowen thought. Gop lawmakers had challenged the order from the Democratic governor and the Republican leaning High Court declared it unconstitutional this week. Madison Maher Saatchi Roads. Conway says even though the state order no longer has an effect. Her County still wants residents to avoid unnecessary outings. Through may twenty. Sixth Day was just throw everything. Open no precaution. Nothing based on a fuss desk practices in public health here in Madison. Real turning in dial not flipping the switch. The mayor says her office is working with Dane. County and public health officials examining cove in nineteen data to set a path toward a phased reopening other counties including Brown and Kenosha are keeping local orders in place for certain periods of time. This is. Pms. Tomorrow is honor our LGBT elders day and with most Americans quarantine for the covert nineteen pandemic. Diane Benard reports organizers. Move these celebrations Sam McClure with Chase Braxton healthcare and Baltimore which inaugurated the event for years ago is encouraging folks to submit videos that tell a story about an LGBT person over the age of fifty. Who made a difference in their lives? He says that generation started the contemporary equal rights movement for the gay community which he calls a historic accomplishment anybody doing advocacy for equity and dignity for Lt People. Today does that work standing on the shoulders of giants so we take time to honor those people he points out. The event offsets the fact that older. Lgbt people are nearly absent mainstream culture to submit a video or view. The celebration go online to lgbt elders. Day Dot Org or the group's facebook page. I'm Diane Bernard. The number of LGBT adults over age fifty in the US expected to climb from three million to over five million by the year. Twenty thirty with fisheries on the verge of collapse during the pandemic shutdowns. Virginia officials are criticizing Federal Leaf for the food industry as woefully. Short Virginia will save only four and a half billion dollars to support a one and a half billion dollar industry according to Chris War with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation many of these businesses which are are very small operators and many of them within a tremendous amount of money gear up for the season and then had to shutdown just prior to the season. Starting obviously are GonNa need additional financial health. A bipartisan group of Twenty five senators from states with hard hit seafood sectors including are pushing Senate leaders to increase funding to billion dollars in the next pandemic relief. Bill finally how do you vote by mail in Washington? If you don't have an address Eric. Tatum tells us people who are homeless. Have some options to get their ballots counted in the Evergreen State? Hillary Coleman with Seattle King County Coalition on Homelessness says. It's important to understand. There is a difference between a mailing address in a residential address and that folks can use their mailing address to register to vote. Most people might have somewhere where they get checks for example if they're on social security or somewhere over a loved one might send them a piece of mail and so we talk about using bad address to register. 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And we have the studio about a block away from Sports byline Cafo studios at that time and so We built them a set and in fact the wooden sign that built in nineteen eighty nine is right in our lobby still to this day but Sports byline TV and it was one night per week we have people like Lee Steinberg and Tony Larussa. I remember before the eighty nine world series I get them giants and alerted. Somebody move over the lake. Ray Gary Carter coming into the green room and seeing me and going on and he gave me a hug you know twenty three years old sports byline goes back baby back back. Let's talk some sports football baseball hockey soccer tennis auto racing Buxton Bloomberg's about just checkers who'd be cricket and my voice will live up and down. Jim Rooney is join us. 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That runs the Pittsburgh steelers and he has written a book about his dad called a different way to win Dan. Rooney's story from the super to the Rooney rule. Jim Welcome to the show. And let's just start with the Rooney rule which has resonated into other sports as well. Is it too simplistic or is it a fact that were it? Not for the Rooney rule that maybe you would not have discovered a Mike Tomlin and rick. It's good to be here. Thank you So you know. Mike wasn't the Rooney rule interview We actually interviewed Ron Rivera first. So we had you know as as folks are unfortunately doing now. Check the box already but you know. My father hired three coaches in fifty years. Which is pretty astonishing. I think in most most sports and he was great at hiring and when it came to diversity he really felt that the same approach was was was part of it that you had to have a process. So with Mike's Hiring we started with Thirty seven candidates got down to twelve four and then Mike and my father had spent a tremendous amount of time. Talking to Mike about you know what was important to talking about his his mother his wife his children is high school coaches and really getting a sense of the with these cues from. Mike is as to where people important to him or was he using them to get ahead and and I think that was the basis what my father saw and the reason I say that's important. Diversity is if you take that time if you have a process You know I think that that you're going to do a much better job with people that look sound. Whatever whatever the difference is you can get through whatever your own biases are if you have a really good process. And that's what the Rooney rule was about. And that's what my father practice You know in terms of how he preached. It's amazing. I mean I'm in my fifties and I can name three steeler coaches I it you know. He think about Nolan Cower and and Tomlin why. It's got to be more than just luck that you've had three guys over five decades. What what is it about the staying power of choosing the right guy? Well I think it's I think it's a couple of things I think it's a process like we said that my father was not. Then we love love our friends like you and the media He's had a good relationship but he didn't get caught up during the interview in during the hiring process of was he going to be criticized because he didn't get the guy whose name was hottest and he really stuck to his process. Then the second was hired folks that were younger and expected them to grow. You Know Bill Cower. We had three losing seasons between ninety eight and two thousand and two thousand one. We're in the AFC championship game. So he understood that people would grow they would develop different habits hopefully better habits and you hard people that you had that expectation that they could grow but you allow them to to have that room for growth and development so I hope it's part of our process but he did a pretty good job picking them too. They were all three. They are all three pretty good guys no doubt about it and a lot of people may not remember when. Your Dad was Ambassador to Ireland. Now he was with the Republic and you think about how complicated things can get on the Emerald Isle because Northern Ireland you you. It's very sectarian. In on the one hand you have the NRA. And the other hand you have. Ulster Loyalist Harris organizations. And I know that's something that really Concerned Your Dad and and trying to keep peace and reunite things when because he cared about his heritage right absolutely so so I had Four or five hundred fifty interviews for this book and and about four or five. Were people that were really heavily involved in what they call the troubles and you you had simplifying it but yet sort of the Catholic side and the Protestant side and my father grew up as an Irish Catholic in the United States. But but really try to be someone that bridge the gap and a gentleman Who who was a UTA one of the terrorists on the side it was in jail for terrorism got? Outta jail and and really wanted to try and tell his story in a way that would would inform others and you know he talks about the the way my father sort of took him and funded him coming to the United States and talking to Catholic Church groups here and giving the other side. If you will the story some voice and that my father who was you know you would see on sort of the opposite side of this person really supported having that different voice in the room so Those were very very important things to them he funded a lot of integrated education integrated workforce Development Ireland and then because of all that work in those forty years. President Obama named his ambassador to Ireland which was a great great thrill of his life. And since you're on the armed forces radio network one of the cool things he did is on the fourth of July. There's usually a baseball game. He had a football game and on the fifty yard line. He had the seal of the United States of America. And I remember being the time it was it was painted on with a group of Marines. Who worked at the Embassy who would play in this game and just how how proud they were that that. This was the embassy that they were working ad and that that You know it was such a cool symbol of of what my father was trying to do. Outstanding cut more questions for Jim Rooney about new book a different way to win Dan. Rooney's story from the Super Bowl to the Rooney rule I grew up in Oakland In fifty four we had season tickets and the rivalry and it's funny usually not get a rivalry outside the division but the steelers just seemed to get over on the raiders over and over and over the immaculate reception and others and then finally the raiders broke through and won Super Bowl Levin after beating Pittsburgh in the AFC title game out here at the Coliseum but the whole time with the criminal element and Howard cosell he lynn Swann and some others. That complained Franco Harris. How do you? I mean it's too bad. That's dead now. The raiders are in Vegas and the raiders did not continue on the success at the steelers had obviously but what did that mean to the family that rivalry with Oakland because that was a blood rivalry. Yeah I I. I'm trying to get people to buy this book. It was a great rivalry. And you know they those were great battles both on the field and in the court rooms. Amy Trask. You know who is the? Ceo of the raiders. Got To interview me a couple times during this this book process and we just had this wonderful conversation about how much allen my father hated each other but respected each other. Because you know the other thing that's interesting is that the steelers and the raiders. Were the two most highly integrated teams in the seventies. And they were the best teams in the seventies out. Did everything from the outside. And my father was Mr inside and how they had these battles but how in a Lotta ways. They're really fighting for the same things. And then obviously you had the immaculate reception which you know from our engines the greatest play of all time and Al Still. Well I'M STILL. I'm sure in his grave gravy. Still complaining about that play and then finally there's something about you know and it happens in every country. It's very easy to vilify the the rich and say they're out of touch or they only care about money. You know as an Oakland Fan when the Oakland A.'s were owned by The Host Family. They're very Philanthropic and they build fields and they build an opera house and they had started the highest payroll in Baseball. My as did at the time during the bash brothers and they proved. You could be rich. You can still give away a lot of money. You could run a great team and you could be good people and I know that's important to your family that you're not viewed as these fat cats but as good people well that you know the whole point of the book is to try and tell a story about you know and and try to answer that question at least in one person's cases you can you win and be a good book. Good guy good person and you know I look I can tell you probably could two thousand places where the steelers failed or where. My father failed. But I think you're on hold whether you look at the Rooney role. You look at what he tried to do with that team in the community has work in. Ireland. You always working the league with Labor but you know he's the chief Labor negotiator and and all the Labor folks talked about the fan. Rooney wasn't on our side. But you knew you were dealing with a straightforward guy. Always trying to find win win scenario so I think there's a way you can win and be a good person and You folks know it from the as and and I actually loved the as when I was a kid back in the seventies like you And you know that's the that's the type of model that my my father tried to bring the steelers but also to the sports industry. Everybody makes sure to pick up this book. Not just football fans but fans of business and politics as well. It's called a different way to win. Dan Rooney's story from the Super Bowl to the Rooney rule. And we've been speaking to the author and his son. Jim Rooney Jim. Congratulations on the book. And hopefully we get football going again in earnest and let's talk again sometime. I'd love to Rick really appreciate it. You all stay out there all right. Thank you so much. We'll come on back on sports spot. Thank you you wear eight five yesterday. I'm going to tell you how you can get real healthcare for as little as six dollars a day. 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I put an abnormal brain into a seven and a half foot long fifty four inch wide. God Walk Aw. This is the only sports talk show that features a Rhodes scholar. But he ain't here today now. Back to Rick tittle. All right. Thank you for that and welcome back to the show. And if you're wondering why did not bring up the James Harrison headline what's to in a second with Jim Rooney is at the steelers. Have already responded to. The interview was about the book about his dad. If I had Jim Rooney is something I was hiding from it if he was on to. Just talk football. That would have been my very first question. But I don't fancy myself as an ambush interviewer. What I'm talking about. Is that James Harrison. Who was a very good defensive player in his day. Very violent hitter. Which is what you're supposed to do. He stirred the pot. He said he received an envelope from Mike. Tomlin the steelers head coach to supposedly cover the fine that he had received ten years ago from the League. Here's thing about Harrison. He's the all time sacks leader in Pittsburgh history the fine was for that very infamous hit he had Mohammed Masaka that was the wide receiver for the browns and it was seventy five thousand dollars so last night gyms older brother Art Rooney. The second responded Harrison's claim in the Pittsburgh Tribune review he said. I am very certain nothing like this ever happened. I have no idea why James would make a comment like this but there is simply no basis for believing anything like this end quote now. Harrison's agent bill say said the same thing is agent said quote absolutely not never happened. I would have known that it didn't happen. So why did he say it? Where did Harrison say he was on a show called going deep? It is a podcast with his former. Pittsburgh teammate Willie Cologne and he said Talking about the hit on massacre. I'M NOT GONNA say what? But he handed me an envelope after that now. Harrison's relationship with Tomlin got very sour at the end of Harrison's time in Pittsburgh he was very upset that he was being phased out he was getting older and slower his playing time was diminishing and so he begged to get cut and he did in the two thousand seventeen season and remember he immediately went to the Patriots and he helped them win the AFC title game and then retired in his retirement. Harrison has been very critical of Tomlin on numerous occasions specifically how Tomlin handled situations surrounding Laon Bell Antonio Brown maybe fill in a Martavis Bryant by the way almost wanted to give Rooney Kudos. For screwing the raiders over on both Ab and Brian but despite this unceremonious ending in Pittsburgh Harrison did return for the tenth anniversary of the steelers Oa Championship team and he was the defensive player of the year that year. And you might remember in the Super Bowl. A one hundred yard interception returned that help them be the Arizona cardinals. You could argue that. That is the greatest. Pick six in the history of football. And I'M NOT GONNA fight. Yeah especially for a guy that fat I mean you get a one hundred yard. Pick six and you're dion sanders. Our jaws are on the floor so for him to do that. I look and have it be in the Super Bowl. How are you going to pick a better? Pick six than that so That's the situation with Harrison. Now another news in the NFL today. Jameis Winston and. Sean Payton are now together in New Orleans and we know that but there was something that Sean Payton said today which is very interesting first of all somewhat wonder why would they even want him to be the backup. Well he just turned twenty six. He has a highest man he led the NFL and passing. Last year he was second touchdown passes to the MVP Lamar Jackson but he wanted to spend time with pay the guy who revived teddy bridgewater career and for a million bucks. The price is right. Despite thirty picks there was also another part of the saints evaluation. Something that might not have crossed your mind when it comes to whether Peyton wanted to bring him in or not but you gotta remember that. Payton who had spent the last five years of his career as a rival to Tampa after getting the first pick and five and Payton said quote you say well throw Winston into this draft because we can all remember him coming out and I was there at his pro day and I sat right literally five yards behind him and he threw some eighty some ninety some passes and how would he grade. I think he'd fair extremely well in this class and number classes enough to where someone thought that much of him. They selected him with the first pick in the draft. Okay so far so good but he continues. Does pay quote heck? They lost a game on purpose to us at the end of the season prior with Lovey Smith. They forced lovey to take his starters out of the game so they can get to the one spot to draft. Jamie's so we're excited to work with him and he's still young player. Only twenty six years old I believe and I know he's got great work ethic and he is competitive. We'll see how that unfolds but we're excited that he's joined our team and he'll be a part of what we're trying to accomplish. Wow they tanked ono. The tha the t word but Payton was just getting started in this interview. He started talking about how the NFL the way they handled bountygate the way he hated it. And the whole thing about Tomlin's about Tomlin hand in that guy and envelope you know that came out in the interview and of course the steelers and the guys agent have denied it but Payton's candor. Frankness is a rare quality. Sometimes but let's take a look back week. Seventeen two thousand fourteen. The Saints are seventy nine. The bucks were two and fourteen and they were losing twenty two three at the half and in the fourth quarter when New Orleans went on a sixteen. Nothing run assuring Tampa Bay being the worst team and they got to choose between Marietta and Winston. The bucks did indeed start to. Yank key starters off the field late in that game. And after the Game Lovey Smith said you guys saw in the first half. The game plan was for them to be in there. The second half we wanted to look at some more football players. I think that's not out of their own possibilities to look at some other guys going into the playoffs and we we're going to. We're going to run. The football and one win. Wouldn't have helped a lot. We know we're going to feel better when we win a division and that didn't really pass the sniff test at the time being company man it hasn't passed muster with Peyton five years later especially considering. Payton was levied one of the steepest penalties in the history of the League and Charges that Paul Tagliabue's didn't even back up at the time. Payden was kicked out of the League for a year. And Oh yeah. I lost a years worth of salary as well paid and said if people are waiting for the League to investigate that they shouldn't hold our breath and I think what took place with us back in twenty eleven and so many ways it was a sham. And yet there wasn't a lot could do with it. The players are vindicated but from elite or coaching standpoint. There is no union there is no representation and so he in Greg Williams or out and paid and concludes that something that's tucked away under a rug. Nfl Headquarters of Park Avenue. If they look into briefly they won't don't get me started on it. I wish I had that six million dollars in salary back and I'll never truly get over it because of how it was handled. That's just the truth. John. Peyton stern it up for a little bit remember. This is a guy that just went through Krahn viruses. Well so he's probably not in the mood. I worked at all come back. I'd open lines on the other side. The TVS television network for decades. 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Bless you that's so sweet. One eight hundred eight seven play one eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine. It's only right that we now get James. Harrison's clarification on the envelope incident which just came out in the last half hour the seventy five thousand dollar fine from the League for the head. On Brown's Mohamed Mossa Qui- his agent and are ruining the second have denied it. And we just heard Sean Payton talking about it so now this is James Harrison responding. Wow y'all really comparing what I said to bountygate. Mike has never paid me for hurting someone or trying to hurt someone or put a bounty on anybody. If you knew the full story of what happened back then you know that. S Fine for illegal. Play wasn't even penalized during the game. The League was getting pressure because the first concussion lawsuits were starting in. They had to look like they cared about player safety all of a sudden before that they had been selling a photo of that same play for fifty five dollars on the NFL website with other videos of the NFL's greatest hits that the league profited on back then when the League had started when the league had to start pretending like they cared about player safety. They took all those things down off their website and they started finding guys ridiculous amounts for the same place they used to profit off of. Everybody knew it even these same media people and all the fans that we're sending money to me and the team to cover that fine again at no time. Did Mike t ever suggest anybody hurt anybody or that they'd be rewarded for anything like that? Gt F. Age with that. B S. That's get the F out of here. All right thank you James for that. Clarification let's go to the phone lines at one eight hundred eight seven eight play and we got Scott in Sacramento. How're you doing Scott? Good how are you? What's up buddy? I wanted to hear your thoughts on. If it's at all possible that the warriors get on us when he becomes a free agent. I mean I don't know what they would have to do or give up and what they would have to help. Coordinate but is there any possibility that that would happen and shit? They do that if they can. Well you'RE GONNA have to make the money match and first of all we know what Steph and clay are getting dre. Mons money kicks in as well then. The thing that really hurts is the money that they are going to give Katie. They basically gave Andrew wiggins because he's GonNa make thirty one and a half million dollars a year so that means somebody's GonNa go and they don't want wiggins they're going to want clay and I think the warriors will try to give him draymond if you give up draymond green to get Jaanus you have to do it and I also think if you have to give up play Klay Thompson you have to do it. It's nothing against Clare Day. I love those guys. Fight to choose between the two. I'd rather keep the splash brothers together but you are going to get a guy. Who's you know in his early twenties? I mean you could say we already got what we could get out of clay. We got three championships out of them. Tip your hat to him. And he's not to say that he's done which getting one of the best players. Maybe OF HIS ENTIRE GENERATION ANTONIA QUOTE BLOWS CONTRACT. Beginning at thirty seven and a half million the warriors. Try like hell I to trade wings. It is possible I think that is absolutely possible but on the other hand it's going to be a kick in the pants because you have to give somebody up but the only player. I would not give up as curry and you could even argue that. It'd be better to have him curry. But Curry is the warriors to me about everything else. I think has to be on the table for that kid. So if it's not us because of all the money is there maybe not even a second tier guy but maybe second tier guy who who would make more sense to potentially go after if there's not as much money constraint. When warriors can go after free agents more aggressively. I mean there's been some names bandied about but the warriors are a little bit tied now with with wiggins and they wanna see what they can do they still have the mid level exception which they were able to get so they can add a veteran guy. And there's a bunch of names but there's no there's no real star. I think they would give up one of the core three guys for to get. I do think they'd give up wiggins and a second if they could get a better sort of like the Angelo Russell but They're Kinda tied into him now so I can't think of a guy outside of Jaanus that they would do that for now. That you know the browser I'll laker and guys like that and you know maybe Porzingis a couple years ago. He doesn't have the same Star that he wants head. Well who do you think? Can you think of another second Tier Guy? Oh Gosh I mean I think it gets confusing on. Who would actually select because it doesn't depend on the distract and what happens and because we don't know all the pieces that are going to be available to move around that I guess for me I wouldn't know who would even make sense based on what factors we don't even know yet. You know what I mean. Yeah and I think you know you probably would have to throw in an Eric Paskal as well. Who's our best rookie player? Maybe an Alan Smile each. But if you could say look you give up clay and you give up some first round picks and you give up some of those good young players now. You're looking at staff and dream on and the Greek freak. Then you can start to add people in mid level exception here there and I also wouldn't mind the Greek freak with the splash brothers. That'd be my preference nothing against dray but I mean come on. The Greek freak is much better than on Green. And even though you'd say well the chemistry might not be there. That's a risk that I would. I would think it would be worth taking Scott. Take Rick Thank you very much for the call Scott up there and Sacramento and the lines are open at one eight hundred eight seven. I played as a fascinating thing and I don't. I'm not too excited about it because I don't think it's going to happen. Mostly because can we get Kevin Durant and the Greek freak you know the warriors are not the warriors they were a year ago and which was this bright shining star the more of a although the stars hibernation. It's supposed to come out again when everybody's healthy they got this new arena which they've had zero success in so far and I don't know about the vibe there but You know the thing is we. We did get Kevin Durant fan which I never thought what happens so can lightning strike twice. I don't know maybe it can but I don't WanNa be like Knicks fans and just assume we're getting Zion and Katie and Kyrie one eight hundred eight seven eight play e mail bag rick sports byline DOT com. This comes from Jeremy. Rick Do you think Jordan dogged Gary Payden in the documentary? I know. That's your boy I wouldn't say Gary Payton my boy because he played for the Sonics and I despise the supersonics because they were Seahawk and mariners fans But I do like Gary Payton. He's Rep Oakland well. He's one of the best defensive players. I mean if you think about the last two guards that were defensive player of the year you're Jordan and Peyton but yeah what what the emails referring to is when they show Gary Payden in the dock and he's basically saying everybody back down to Mike I didn't he said I'm gonNA tire me out. I'm going to tire him the F. Out I hit him. I banged him. I hit him. I banged him and kept took a toll on Jordan and the series changed. I should have done it earlier. But the difference was me guarding him and beating him down and they show Jordan that an IPAD and he's like guffaw lean back Haha laughter because he watching the three stooges right now. Or is he watching Gary Payton but Payton I still ends up looking good there but Payton Jordan said? I had no problem with the glove. I had no problem with Gary Payton. Funny he really hit the tea. I think I'm the only person who noticed that because most people in America say Gary. Payton he goes. I had no problem with the glove. I had no problem with Gary Payton. And after paid picked up Jordan and game four Jordan shot thirty six percent for the rest of that series six for nineteen in game. Four five hundred one thousand nine in game six so Jordan can laugh because he has the ring don't mean a thing about that ring. Warriors Two thousand sixteen but it is true that he did in fact have a problem with the glove at least in those two. Those two deals are to last games. One eight hundred eight seven eight play. I also think when you look at it now somebody because you could say boy Scotty. Pippin looks bad. Michael Jordan looks bad but I admire him. Scott Burrell looks like a winner. A career backup. Who smiled through all the taunting never gave into never let it affect them. I think coup coach starts to look good too because Jordan and pippen immersive mercilessly. Going out him at the ninety two Olympics because all because Jerry Krause liked him but it didn't him came back in the gold medal. Game played really well and he just seems like every time he's like. I don't know what's going on trying to win games. I don't know about politics and who hates who doesn't like what and he said he goes. I love Tony as a teammate. I love that guy but at the time we are lagging we wanted to get after them and I mean if you go back to pay a guy who looks like a loser who doesn't look good as George Karl Gary Payden insane. I had just one defensive player of the year and he told me. I don't need your defense. I don't care about it. I just need you to score and he sent. We got three nothing and I was like. F- what you're talking about George. I'M GARDEN HIM. And you can't control this no more and that wasn't the only mistake. Carl made her taints to that series because as a modern Shaab was telling it and he's closer to Jordan. I think any new. But they were out to dinner and Carl snubbed him. The old Larry. David snubbed walked by him. Didn't say anything in Jordan's like that's a crock ass. He walked right by me. We both went to Carolina and we both know Dean Smith. I also of them in the summer. You're going to do that to me. Okay became personal. You got it and I think one more winner in this whole thing is La Bradford Smith and name that I have not heard in years but they talk about the Libra Advert Smith game the bullets and the Kings. That's who he played for and do you remember him well. Nineteen ninety-three when he went for thirty seven points against Jordan and then he said Nice Game Mike. Although some people said he never said that. And then it was reborn. I'm never letting that happen again. Never GonNa let La Bradford Smith beat me again. I always think there's a little bit panache when you add la on the front like what if funding was the Richard. Ooh I'm already making a record. Armored Come Back Yup imagine this is your money and someone wants to take it from you. Who Is it the IRS? They want your money and guess what they can legally take all of it if they want remember. They sent you that letter that said. Hey you always a bunch of cash and we're going to take it from you. So what do you do fight back? By letting our team of experts at tax helpline work it out with the IRS. So you can keep your money and we're good at what we do. When you hire us you'll get a team of guys on your side. 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I'm a sports byline broadcasting network. You're listening to Wrestling Observer vibe with your hosts Bryan Alvarez send Mike. Let's get it going. Everybody Bryan Alvarez here on wrestling observer live. We are here every day Monday through Friday new Pacific three eastern Sunday three Pacific six eastern. We are joined always on Fridays by Jim Valley and Jim. Wearing on this hack day. You're in Seattle. You Know Brian. In honor of the Shanghai Disneyland opening up my wife and I have been busy park in the world. So I'm wearing my Shanghai Disneyland Shirt today. But I also have my Oscar t shirt back in honor of the one successful prediction that I need to run into the ground. That's right that's right. He predicted that ask. Who's going to win money in the bank? I didn't think it was going to happen. Jim But you know I will. I will defend myself. I didn't think it was going to happen. Because they'd already done the Oscar. Becky feud but becky left so my my reasoning was out the window on SPEC. He's gone with the pregnancy. Then there's going to be a few with Aska. They shot a movie in a building pretending to fight with doing the clown in brotherly love. There's nothing to defend. It was anybody literally could have won that match. Well that's that's true but you did get it right at. Yes Lynch's gone. Seth rollins center a message thanking fans for the support he and Becky Lynch received since he revealed the couple is expecting their first child. He posted a picture of Lynch holding the pregnancy test reveal. They were expecting wrote. I I took this a few moments after we got the best news of our lives and I don't think I could have captured anything more beautiful. I can't put into words how much it means to me. Thank you all so much for your support of the last couple of days. Outpouring of love really is lifted us even higher than we've already been. December cannot come soon enough. That's for sure by the way December cannot come soon enough and of course Lynch Lynch talked about the pregnancy to people took the wrong one. I took a few more tests. GotTa digital one. That just said the word pregnant. I was with seth at the time. He just threw his hands up in the air. All excited. Becky Lynch has gone for a while. But whatever the Steph Rawlins character is he's sticking around. We can talk more about all this after the break. It's Friday on wrestling observer. Attention to anyone. That's written a book a wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated. Take a first step. Even if you write a page a day you build momentum and your book will become a reality. The hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call page publishing. They've got hundreds and hundreds of thank yous from different new authors. Just like you they make the process of publishing your new book and getting it sold online a simple process. 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Forty five seven eight zero seven five six six not a ton of news here but we do have a somewhat busy weekend which Jim Valley will be helping cover on Saturday show at ten Pacific one eastern in the morning. That's right so we got smackdown down here tonight which will be covering tomorrow. I'm sure I'm sure that will be number one on the topic list. We have missed TV with Otis which actually should be excellent. We have Charlotte flare appearing and we have the beginning of the WWe Intercontinental Championship tournament. Which believe it or not many w we fans are defending these stripping of Semi Zane. What else are you supposed to do? They say not realizing that there are there many champions who have not and cannot be on television and they have not been stripped although Stellian. Pete is no longer one. Half of the team champions. So what is your take on the semi Zane Situation Jim? It's it's tricky. I've heard a lot of your comments This week on wrestling observer and on twitter defending things and explaining things to people but to me probably the most confusing aspect of it is that on social media. At least Sammy. Zane seems to be reacting to everything in character as far as like Fox. Wwe On Fox tweeted out the next intercontinental champion should be they put blank and Sammy's Zane responded with ashamed of themselves. It certainly does feel like there's some reality to the situation but at the same time. Sammy seems to be playing it publicly in a very sports entertainment way. And that's that's kind of confusing to me at my allergies are acting up as he talking to you. Busy sneezing and blowing my nose. Well you have to recall that. So here's what's going to happen here. Okay so they stripped Sammy of the intercontinental title because they I guess they need that Peltz on television and gives you this tournament or whatever and at some point down the road a semi is going to return and semi Zane. Once he returns is going to he's going to probably claim that he's the champion and it'll become a storyline then ever say see Brian. It was a story line all along. That's what's going to happen because I just know that's going to happen. I mean we've seen this before in history. I mean guys remember the the Razor Ramon Shot Michael's ladder match for two intercontinental titles. Right well what happened was Shawn Michaels I believe it was Shawn. Michaels that got Stripped of the title or whatever and they did tournament Razor Ramon won that tournament Shawn Michaels came back with the belt and I think it was like a suspension was something for Shawn Michaels. I remember the disciplinary somebody'll Senate contract. There are some there was a realize that. Us Yes behind the scenes that they'd literally stripped of the title yes and he was persona non grata at least for a massive company. That's the whole point. So something real happened and eventually been shawn michaels returned. He returned with the belt and they made it a storyline. Where he claimed he was the the actual intercontinental champion they fought for eight another ladder match. Cetera ET CETERA. So the point is I mean. Yeah if you wanted to be crazy in that situation you could have claimed that. Well storyline from the beginning. Shawn. Michaels wasn't really well. Actually was we spend or whatever the situation was that was a real situation that turned into a storyline. So yes of course. Sammy's is going to go along with this. Yes of course. It's going to become a stroke when he returns but I mean the idea. Quite frankly the reason this happened I mean. Do you realize that every single person that was released from me with somebody who had complained about something or other and if you go to Sammy's Zan's twitter. I mean the reality is semi. Zane makes a lot of political statements that I can tell you at the very top of. Wb they disagree with now. That's probably not the only reason but I cannot help but notice it of all of the champions that ended up not being able to make it for two television. None of whom got stripped exactly one guy got his belt taken away from him. And it's not even like in in the ninety S. when wouldn't Shawn Michaels Razor Ramon back then the interpersonal? Settle actually did mean something. I'll be nowadays that you titled As a mean anything that intercontinental title doesn't mean anything dry failed. A drug test was gone more than thirty days. They didn't strip that guy of his title. But Sammy's ain't can't come in it because it's needed anyway. We'll find out more about that tonight. We'll find out what kind of tournament they're going to run. So that's coming up on smackdown. We've also it's going to be interesting to see what what they do and who they include in the environment. We've also got see this weekend. This weedy third you have seen seven days. They obviously had the pay per view on Saturday night. Which did seven hundred thousand buys which is a big number? A lot of people very much needed some you have see in their lives and then of course there was the Wednesday show on ESPN plus which we don't really have numbers for and now we have the show coming up tomorrow as could be very interesting to see how to Mars. You have see does because if you recall correctly when WBZ's started running shows with no fans like the first week or two. I mean the shows did great and then it all fell off a cliff because people were curious to see what would happen and they tune in in large numbers and then afterwards. Those numbers went off a cliff. So tomorrow Alastair Ovary Ema. Walt Harris is the main event cloudy Gala Angela Hill the semi main and several other fights as well including Barboza fighting on the shelves. So that's coming up Saturday night so three. Ufc shows in a one week period. And this will not be the last time it happens. You know when it comes to filling the sports avoid obviously last Saturday did. There's clearly a need and I think despite some of the stuff that Dana White said some of the things. People signed those controversies. I think by and large it received as a success. But you're right going forward. How much momentum can you have see keep onto the fans? Get their each scratched in their good. We'll have see seen numbers dwindle. Perhaps a bit once more. Sports are more options coming back like. Nascar are whatever happens. It's going to be interesting to see where you have see goes from here as far as popularity and still maintaining the momentum and what they have going right now so shawn michaels was suspended for steroid test failure and he vehemently denied that and was so angry. He refused to send back the belt. That's the real life incident that happened that led to a story line and a pay per view match. So there you go a lot of text messages here about an exterior says. Didn't Pete done technically gets tripped because he wasn't there. I doubt they would have taken the belts off of them if he was still able to show up. Well there's no there's no way of knowing what they would have done. I mean if they if they wanted to take the belts off them. They could've just strip them when Pete wasn't coming in anytime soon tournament and imperium one but actually left them on Matt Riddle for over a month when Pete done was gone so I can't say that you know this is necessarily the exact same thing I mean. He was the champion for well over a month. Not being coming dated story lines with it and this is the direction they decided to go and this may have been the direction they were going to go the whole time. We're imperium beat Pete done and Matt Riddle it very very easily could have been by the way I mean. If you watch the Matt Riddle Pete done storyline. I mean Matt. Riddle was doing the exact same thing to done that he did to Timothy Thatcher and Timothy Thatcher largely was reacting the same way to Matt Real. The Piton was so. It's very possible that in there booking pedone was going to walk out on. Matt Riddle exactly like happened on the show last night and they would have done pete done versus Matt Real. They very easily could have had the same thing plan for pedone but because he wasn't there they did the same thing with What's his name anyway? Back with more observer live. Have you written a book? You can become a published author with dorrance publishing. 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Wrestling Observer. Live Jim Valley joining us here today. We've got a lot of callers on the line where they go to the person one in a moment but first off last night or Wednesday night. Aws Not good numbers for either show eight dynamite lowest viewership ever and the lowest rating eighteen to forty nine six hundred and fifty four thousand years down ten point seven percent from last week fifteenth in the eighteen to forty nine demo point two three rating and seventeen point nine percent from last week and extend the USA Network six hundred and four thousand viewers. Down eight point nine percent from last week. Eighteen to forty nine a point one five down. Sixteen point seven percent from the previous week and matching annexed series low. The show ended up. Forty six and exte- forty six dynamite fifteenth as always. Aws every demo except people over fifty and strongest demo for aws. Eighteen to forty nine averaged a zero point. Two eight to annex exceeds point one eight combined audience one point two five eight million viewers lowest. Both shows debuted in October. Obviously the key here is that in eighteen to forty nine annex t was down sixteen point seven percent in aws down seventeen point nine percent virtually identical which means there was something on tv that pulled away the eighteen to forty nine year old viewers. And it will actually it wasn't on TV was on ESPN plus but that would be the UFC you'll see was going head to head on ESPN plus and so very likely have pulled the eighteen to forty nine away from aws and annexed tea and shows suffered as a result of that competition so like I said earlier. Data whites in order to in order to make all of money this year that he needs to me and they need to make a lot of money because they've got huge debts. They need to run every single show. They were scheduled to run and because of the six weeks or whatever that they took off. Due to corona virus. Dana White has determined. We will run every show not just for the money. Everybody but for the fighters as well. They'RE GONNA they're three fights this year. Whatever so that means that they're going to be a lot of Wednesday shows coming up as they attempt to play catch up and so this is not the last time that aws inex- T are going to be affected by UFC running head to head. So those are the numbers for this past Wednesday night. You know what it's not just the financing surrounding the purchase years ago of UFC with the parent company Endeavor Endeavor. He's used to be the William Morris Agency that merged with another talent agency in Hollywood is a mess right now. Obviously and not only that but endeavour has tried to diversify and go into events planning and other events for example in January. They bought a hospitality company that does special events with the NFL. And obviously how's that working out for them so not only do you have all of the the financing and issues surrounding the initial purchase of UFC but the parent company. You can look it up endeavor Hollywood and you'll find stories They're in a bad way. When it comes to finances in general they've had layoffs they've had losses and a lot of people are watching them and watching all of their moves. They're they're under the gun right now. All righty well. Ryan is here on the line our Friday afternoon. Talk With Ryan here Ryan. What's going on any question about the Ricky steamboat match Wrestlemainia? I caught on an ally that he said get wrestled the macho man up to Wrestlemania. Because I look on cage actually wrestled them even on television on the prison networks. Why did Ricky steamboat is changed history by saying that he hadn't wrestled randy savage hor? Bro I mean are you. Well aware that the main event of the same show that you're talking about featured Andre the giant and a whole kogen where they claimed it. They had never wrestled before. And then Andre. The giant was undefeated and professional wrestling. Both of which were lies and he did not to mention the attendance of the evening. This is twenty twenty. You know I think people can handle truth. Now get out of you Ryan. Thanks very much for the call. Ricky steamboat has cancelled dude. It's only but like he said he actually said it's twenty twenty and people can handle the truth now. How about you go to Wikipedia and read about Wrestlemainia three and the attendance and everything. They've written their. I mean for the love of God. People can't handle the truth and twenty twenty. That's one of the big problems with twenty twenty. You ready for a truth. Home yes. Steamboat is not a drag. And he's actually. Oh get out of here. You're going to get it. Oh you're GONNA get it. We're through the looking glass now. People Person Notes Pete done was never stripped of his half of the Annex. T TAG team titles. Yeah that's been talking about for a long time now. They didn't strip him. They they put in a temporary partner for him while he was gone. He was never stripped of the titles. They couldn't get it out of his mouth. That's true he had a death bite on that belt percents. Can we continue talking about a great? An Awesome Matt Riddle is. The guy could be a comic genius when he wants to. He can be super serious. You can kick your ass when the situation ask for pure in ring. Talent CHARISMA LOOK personnel. Wacky NECE I just hope. Vince has gone by the time he gets to the main roster. Well at the ratings going. That may happen because it doesn't look like there's any and oh man guess remember rent survivor series time when Matt Riddle was on the main roster and like he was just some dude in the background and they didn't nothing with this guy. Nothing memory was like eliminated very quickly. I think like Barron Corbin. Pin Dimmer ms or something like that. It was like I just knew. Then there's no hope for this guy in the main roster keep him here as long as you can in exte- yeah Keith. Lee stood out. Matt was kind of in the background. Persons I was furious when they broke up. Riddle Thatcher in the beginning of that and exte- show but then I love their match in the main event we need more matches like this and deputy. Yeah well you know. I talked about that match yesterday. I believe on the show. I mean my exact comment was I love that match but all I could think is what is this match. GonNa do on the USA network. Like I just don't see doing well. I mean it's it's not a traditional. Wwe style match. I mean Timothy Thatcher has been there for about four weeks now. A lot of fans don't know a lot about him. It's the main of end of the show. I mean I I loved that match I- i- raved and gushed about for fifteen minutes on the brain of any show last night but I just had this feeling at that match is GonNa die and unfortunately I don't know the exact numbers in front of me but they were handily beaten by Brodie. Leeann Chris Daniels in the main effect of the W. show that match did six hundred something thousand viewers the Riddle Thatcher. Match was like five hundred. Eighty thousand five hundred seventy thousand it. Just it sucks. But that's what happened. It's going to be curious. Nutley Matt Riddle but Timothy Thatcher where he goes Is he going to be like Jack Gallagher or is he going to be like a CICERO? Should go to the main roster as Vince GonNa make him comedy or is he going to be a utility guy or is he going to find some spark that gets him over the Hump into that elite main event level on raw smackdown? Go to the phones here. Anthony you're on the air what's going on. Yeah what's up? Oh Yeah An example from Philly. Okay Anthony What's going on? I have the wrong number. Okay thanks very much for the call. You call the wrong number but sat on hold for a wrestling show all right. Neil Neil. You're on the air. What's going on? Neil. Are you there I don't think I'm I'm Anthony. Not Neil Right Anthony. What's going on I'm just wondering about the rumours around sting. And A W and what getting sting would mean for eighty w what. He'd be a draw what he'd be What do you mean nothing so just wondering thanks all right well? Thank you very much for the call. Well I guess the sting is currently not under contract with me and that could change at any time. I mean the fact that we're talking about it right now and it's been news for the last couple of days. I mean he may already be resigned with WBZ FOR ALL. I know I don't know what he would mean for eight. W I mean the fact of the matter is i. It would be very surprised if he ever does another match. I mean spinal. Stenosis is his neck is a mess I mean. I don't think it's going to happen. What would you mean is like they got Arn Anderson? There they got Jake Roberts there. I mean it would be cool. I guess but I don't know if he would go in. I mean I certainly wouldn't want to be paying a half million dollars to be somebody's corner person. I don't know it's tough. They've got a lot of people there right now. And it's it's I mean. They've lost of dollars on live gates so I'm not sure now is the time to bring in sting to be somebody's manager. What does he mean as far as just a personality like you said? Is he sixty? He's plus or minus sixty S. And he I think it's fifty late fifties either way you know. He made a lot of money in wrestling. He made a lot of smart real estate investments. You know he's always been very centered very well. Balanced person by all accounts holy smokes sixty. One Oh wow. Wow that's what happens when you paint your face. Everybody that's my advice to all of you as you get old paint your face or put a mascot. Gene Simmons was a genius. Cs Yes but aside from doing commercials for reverse mortgages a. What can you do with staying? I mean Yeah. One appearance might be cool. But do you really just. WanNa see staying as a manager like you said in that. Aren't Anderson role or you know being like the crow in a different way in this era. But I mean it's probably cool for the heritage but the fact that we already have Mike Tyson handing off the Ted presenting the TNC titled Trophy Title Belts. I not staying. Where testing fit into the equation? All right bye everybody observer live. Let's say you just bought a house. Bad News is you're one step closer to becoming your parents soon. You'll have a separate fridge in the basement. Were extra groceries are exiled forever. Remember that frozen lasagna. Of course you don't. It's been down there since two thousand eight. Good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on your car insurance face a cake and LASAGNA. 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I'm speaking for Scott's here I could be wrong. I think that he's used to calling and hearing producer Tom but his Friday he got producer. Scott and Scott I guess takes calls differently from dom so he is totally confused and then when he was on the air he was just baffled. I don't know what happened but anyway that was not someone pranking. Someone who called the wrong number is just poor. Scouts will never live this down in the twitch. Chat Room but Scott's is still my homie size. WanNa throw that out. There also got a lot of people here. That are commenting on my on my haircut. WanNa thank you all for the kind words but this person says. Didn't you say you were never going to buzz? Cut Your wife must be mad now. No no no no my wife. Listen I've had every bad haircut that a man could have including mullets in my lifetime and the only haircut than my wife ever put her foot down on was completely completely to the skin. Shaving it completely off that once. She put her foot down on. This is an inch on top. This is no problem but I if I would have taken a razor to it then. I'd be sleeping here in the studio but that did not happen. I says you noticed Rey. Mysterio and Alastair Black didn't sell a thing after getting thrown off the roof of Titan Towers. Sammy Guevarra was run over by a golf cart. He sold his entire body on the AWS. Show the guy was limping wearing a neck brace and whatnot. This is what you call consistency. Well there is a difference in that I mean e they wanted them to wrestle the next night and and I mean very often people get storyline injuries and they don't sell him the next week ray however still selling his eyeball by the way. I haven't got an update but he was in critical condition. The last time they updated semi of ours. I mean it's done for comedy. I mean he did sell but it was very much done for comedy when he lived in with his neck brace and crutches and then immediately with a twist of fate. I don't know about you but I'm very skittish these days around metal steps. I'm kind of worried steady. Where Adly Ray Mysterio? Yeah Dude. Yeah I hear. It's like one of the leading causes of accidents in Florida right now for says. They eliminated riddle via Corbin. Well that's right bird Corbin throughout Matt Riddle at the Royal Room for heat. So that tells you everything you need to know right there. They had Barron Corbin. Throw that guy out. I don't know what it is. I don't get Vince. I try to figure out what's on his on his mind but I just can't. I don't know if it's the bare feet. I don't know if it's the way that he carries himself backstage. I don't know what it is there. Something about him that clearly. I mean Vince doesn't see in him. What the rest of the universities in matter. It'll so you also to have trust. Is it sort of like Rob Van dam thing where they just. Kinda don't connect and don't you know see eye to eye as far as philosophies and you know mad is very chill seemingly. I don't know I mean that's part of the history of the WWe's the top people earned that trust from Vince. Mcmahon. And for whatever reason there's no faith yet in riddle and maybe there never will be or maybe the time will come where there'll be a situation kind of like Rob Van dam had where they'll be a moment it'll be as moment he'll rise to the occasion and he'll go over the top or he'll go to Japan someday. You gotta remember though even with even with Van Damme. I mean at one point. They made him the dual champion. The W we champion and the champion. At the same time they actually went all the and of course any got busted like he blew practically immediately but I mean they did go all the way with that guy and I mean. Vince gave riddle nothin during that that whole invasion period that they were doing to to attempt to you by the way help build up exte- but quite work out that way couple of other quick notes. Right here got double or nothing coming up next weekend. Say W pay per view Jon. Moxley versus Brodie Lee cody versus Lance Archer with Mike Tyson presenting the ethics titled to the winner of the match. Get NYLA rose car. She did not count out. The elites will be facing the Inner Circle Stadium Stampede. We got the Casino Ladder Match Brit. Baker KRISTAPS LANDER MGM jungle boy and the pre show will be private party versus best friends and they have added Kip Sapien as he laid his entrance into the casino ladder match which is basically a royal rumble ladder match and the rest Darby. Ellen Cabana Orange Cassidy Phoenix an Scorpio. Sky That will be three more individuals added to that match. And I guess the first question to you Jim is what do you think? Mike? Tyson Means Free. W in Twenty Twenty. If if they are paying him a significant amount of money to be their timing is everything and Tyson got a lot of buzz with his recent training videos and to me. I guess what is next for Mike? Tyson is the Big Question. Is he actually going to have some sort of whether it's an exhibition or sparring? Are they doing that so if they're doing that Does is perhaps opponent come out. Is there some sort of angle in that way they could get publicity? But it's not nineteen ninety eight anymore. I think it's intrigue but does anyone by the pay per view because of Mike Tyson. Not Unless they really let you know on Wednesday That something's going to go down. That someone's going to challenge Mike Tyson or somebody's matter we'll find out. Tyson's opponent or what's next if they do something like that and it's compelling maybe it's better than it could be but it's not nineteen ninety eight. Stephen here writes. I was in the superdome in New Orleans in nineteen seventy eight when Andre beat Hulk Hogan Andre was the face and Hulk Hogan was the heel. The main event was billy. Graham versus Dusty Rhodes. Paul orndorff defended the north. You're listening to wrestling observer live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Semper Vivey on the sports byline broadcasting network. Hopefully here yes. We're back here on the air couple of text messages here. If you'd like to send a text four to five seven eight zero seven five. Six six is the phone number and this person here. This person year says riddle is a great looking Guy Too. He adds there you go. He's handsome stinks you come to. Aws another coal miner's glove match with. Jake Oh my Lord. Let me tell you match. That isn't going to happen in twenty twenty or any year henceforth and that is another sting versus Jake Roberts match although I am wondering if Jake is going to do his best to get into shape to deliver that one. Ddt which better not happen till there's fans in the building again. We should check to see if cody has trademark spin the wheel make the deal spurs notes. Yokozuna SNUKA wrestled barefoot. That's not it. Well that's true that is true but that was a long long time ago. Maybe he's forgotten that Jimmy snuck in Yoga's interesting barefoot Omega. Just there's just something and who knows and the other thing is. Vince obviously isn't in annexed. T is he getting reports from someone. What IS AAA ABOUT ABORIGINAL? I don't know but you'd think there's probably people who have influence that. Maybe are telling Vince one thing and as something else I mean if you the only thing would say about that is if you watch annex. T is clear that triple h loves MATT RIDDLE. So I. I can't see it being that. I can see there being discussions. I mean there was the whole thing where where you know. Goldberg WAS UPSET ABOUT RIDDLE. Tweeting about him and and he riddles. Had things to say about lessner. I mean there's there's stuff there but I mean you have to look at Shawn Michaels for crying out loud. I realize it's another era and marital doesn't do any of this stuff that Shawn Michaels used to do a man Schon. Michaels caused more problems than anybody. But Vince went with him because he saw money in Shawn Michaels. And it's the same with all sorts of people throughout history and I don't know where that Vince McMahon went but I have not seen him of late so one of the things that you WanNa talk about tomorrow and I'll bring it up right now so I'm gonNA people to go with. Ww backstage is really good right now. they do a tour of Ricky steamboats is all of these awards and things on his walls and he lies about stuff man is Eli. Oh sorry never mind about that but they also have an interview renee and Otis and Otis being quote unquote real. Odor's in an interview setting. He's really good at it. He's not quite as cartoony but he's cartoony enough and real enough and he's very charming. Still fame have something with odors. I don't know what he's been we've been. We've been advocating this for months. Now being the Guy I think he might be fat. Johnson I really do and that's not an insult I think he's the working man I think he's got an appeal. I think he's got something he's more than just the Caterpillar and a flavor of the month. I think he's really got something and I if if I'm there I think Otis's more real and I'm more comfortable with Otis in front of people and doing events and doing Jimmy Kimmel or whatever more than I am with Braun Strowman I near says I already feel the TNT championship means more than the intercontinental title or the US title. Of course it does and no one. No one can argue that. Unless you're just solid states debbie fan to the death they do nothing with those belts every now and then they'll throw somebody bone for a couple of weeks and then they do nothing with them. This titles already. I mean everybody talks about. 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It's always it's always a plus if you're if you're taller and bigger than Vince McMahon alone most people are bigger than Vince McMahon. Now but yeah. He loves Keith Lee. That doesn't mean he's going to call them up immediately. He loves the Guy. No right now is not the time to move somebody like Heath Lee up. You want that crowd to react and you want to launch him in the best way possible. He's money now leaving where he is right. Now there's too much at stake to move keithly unless you absolutely have to. This person here says you're right. We should have faded a black after. Sammy flipped off the drone. The next week they could have shown us a sad video. Were Matt Hardy cleaned up the remains of vanguard one you still get some wacky just not immediately on top of all of the whacking yes. I agree wholeheartedly with that. That met coming out and everybody running away from him and him crying over the drawing. It's too much for me to wacky. Cut that part out. Such is life right at time but tomorrow Jim Valley is going to be on Saturday ten. Am Pacific One Eastern. It's going to be a fun show here on sports byline. Usa The links up on the front page of wrestling observer DOT COM and you can follow him on twitter at Jim Valley. I'm at Bryan Alvarez. Jim Might Callers and listeners. Every the studio. We'll talk to you next time. Wrestling Observer live. You're listening to heartland newsfeed radio network live twenty four seven heartland newsfeed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. Search Service doing newscasts for me. The fifteen twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. The federal government is did vaccines czar told wool makers Thursday at the country's in deep stuff and. I'm being polite. They're replacing an expletive that from the New York. 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Many progressives have praising the bill for incorporating elements of the essential workers bill of rights proposed by Senator Elizabeth Warren they include economic protections for essential workers regardless of immigration status extended unemployment benefits and twenty five billion dollars for the US Postal Service but according to tunnel Yakult PTA gave with three fifty dot org. It could go even further. It should include provisions of the rewind act to prevent oil corporations from exploiting the Kuban nineteen pandemic for game three sixty down orgies compiled a list of seven policy. Priorities is the group says would strengthen worker protections and helped pave the way for climate resilient recovery I'm Andrea Sears reporting and Wisconsin's stayed home order for the pandemic was due to run through may until the State Supreme Court ended much sooner however that is not stopping local and county governments from carrying out their own orders. Here's Mike Bowen thought. Gop lawmakers had challenged the order from the Democratic governor and the Republican leaning High Court declared it unconstitutional this week. Madison Mayor Such Roads Conway says even though the state order no longer is in effect. Her County still wants residents to avoid unnecessary outings. Through may twenty six. The Michael Supreme Court was just stroll. Everything open not precaution. Nothing based on a desk practices in public health bomb here in Madison rule. Blue turning dial not flipping the switch. The mayor says her office is working with Dane. County and public health officials examining in nineteen data to set a path toward a phased reopening other counties including Brown and Kenosha are keeping local orders in place for certain periods of time. This is PMS. Tomorrow is honor our LGBT elders day and with most Americans quaranteed for the Cova nineteen pandemic Diana reports organizers. Moved the celebration ally. 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Virginia officials are criticizing Federal Leaf for the seafood industry as woefully short Virginia will see only four and a half billion dollars to support a one and a half billion dollar industry according to Chris War with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation many of these businesses which are are very small operators and many of them within a tremendous amount of money gear up for the season and then had to shutdown just prior to the season. Starting obviously are going to need a financial health. A bipartisan group of Twenty five senators from states with hard hit seafood sectors including are pushing leaders to increase funding to a billion dollars in the next pandemic relief. Bill finally how do you vote by mail in Washington? If you don't have an address Eric off tells us people who are homeless. Have some options to get their ballots counted in the Evergreen State? Hillary Coleman Seattle King County Coalition on Homelessness. Says it's important to understand. 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Alabama governor George Wallace while Wallace was conducting his second campaign for the American presidency. Joan rivers stint as a late night talk show host on Fox came to an end on this date in nineteen eighty seven when the network fired her and her husband the producer of the show of all the more set to me. My lawyer said please don't say anything. I've told the Fox people that were very worrying. They're all watching now with all their lawyer. Said I will not say anything so I'm not going to say. Sometimes you get together. You have differences. They have different things on workout. You know what I mean. It's nobody's fault. I been in this business twenty three years. I'm going to be in this business. Another twenty three rivers husband Edgar Rosenberg would commit suicide three months later. Rivers blamed the tragedy on his humiliation by Fox. Meanwhile Johnny Carson Run NBC who felt betrayed by rivers taking your show opposite him without talking to him. I lashed out. Don't worry about Tammy Baker. She just got an offer from Fox. Broadcasting Carson could be mean petty and Bendik Times although he was kind of a nice in anyway In one thousand nine hundred eighty nine rivers started on a daytime talk show. That show ran for five years and one rivers. Daytime Emmy California Supreme Court overturned the State's voter-approved prohibition against same sex marriages on this date in two thousand eight. California history is made today and most newlyweds after twenty years together so excited so excited. Eventually the prohibition would reach the US Supreme Court and Fail Jessica Watson became the youngest person to sail nonstop and unassisted around the World Solo on this date in twenty ten passing away on this date in history demand. Who composed who star Trek themed Alexander? Courage Jimmy Carter's wife June Carter cash and Jerry Falwell. The Reverend Jerry. Falwell was one of the leading figures of the religious right that God is angry with a nation that is destroying born in two thousand. One Falwell apologized after he said gays lesbians and Feminists Secularize America and help 'cause the September eleventh terror attacks sat one stupid statement. That I made is indefensible. It is not it is not a blip. It was a mistake. Well in nineteen ninety nine suggested teletubbies character named tinky. Winky could be a hidden symbol of homosexuality. Falwell founded Liberty University and the moral majority coalition of Political Action Committee that encourages people to vote Christian. Jerry Falwell passing away on this date in history among those born on this date in history L. Frank bomb the author of the wizard vas a Chicago mayor. Richard Daley for a long time actor. Joseph cotten actor James Mason and singer Eddy. Arnold make the world go away actress. Anna Maria Albert Getty Eighty four years of age today musician. Trinity Lopez. 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I'm just thinking this off the top of my head but Here we go the next to last Jack. Benny episode May Fifteenth Nineteen Fifty Five. Jack Benny with Livingston Rochester. Dennis Day Bob. Crosby truly and now ladies and gentlemen. Let's turn the clock back to Wednesday and go out to Jack Benny's house in Beverly Hills. It's morning and at the moment. Rochester's busy cleaning the debt. It's all along. I promise you do September win. You'll have a to remember. Takes Care of the Me Star? Stage Screen Radio Television mumble lessons from six days. You can get the Commercial Rochester. This is Suzie. Oh honey don't honey me. I haven't heard from you all we always. I called you the night the Paula home and I talked to your mother funny. I wonder why she didn't tell me you call. Maybe she didn't recognize my voice. Come now to tell the truth are they are meant to call but I forgot. It doesn't Matter Rochester. Because we're going to have to stop seeing each other anyway the way we're going well never get married. Susan. Noah's discouraging but I promise we'll get married just as soon as Mr Bennett gives me a range. I wouldn't wait that long for Sugar Ray Robinson two years ago. I know but there's always something that takes priority. What this week. Mr Ben is having eleven room. Decorated actually went out and hired a painter Mister baileys in the living room with him right now. Paint that corner. Now get the ceiling above it. I get the wall. Get the wall. Yes the wall the wall to wall. I get the top of the window. Sale the top of the ride all right the cell whom won the top top top. Good good other window sale the other one. I'm getting the last time I ever take a job. By the hour will get the corner out of Steel. Not a seal it. It's bad enough that you talked me into working for a half a one. I'm supposed to charge but I can't stand being hounded like this. Who's hounding you? You mean to tell me you've never had customers that that that took an interest and made suggestions your first one. I'd ever stayed up on a ladder with me. Oh Oh I didn't realize you keep working now. I'll let you alone for a while. Okay but would you do me a favor? What this time when you leave. They'll put on US fast records. I you know I just wanted to entertain you in a tame me during the flight of the bumblebee. I finish too long all right all smart. Aleck. He Better Watch his step or I'll report them to the Union for working below scale. Wonder why I always hello. Hello Jack Does your little old piano player Jolla bag. Well Charlie how are you? That's what I call about. I don't think I'll be able to make the show Sunday. I caught a coal the coal. Yes too bad. What are you taking for Charlie? Oh the usual thing. How do you feel fine? I can hardly walk? Wait a minute Charlie human drinking. Well it's not my fault. The doctor told me to take two fingers Cognac. Well I drank three hole. Arnold and hasn't gone my fingers yet now. Charlie. Don't try to tell me that you're just following doctors order all yes I am. Now wait a minute looked trying. There isn't a doctor in town. Who Tell you to drink liquor for a cold. I know I had to go all the way to Pismo beach before I thought you know Charlie. Somebody's gotTa hang up now. It's time for medicine by go by so happy when he's sick. I'm glad he only has a cold. I'll never forget that. Monthy staggered through pneumonia when they finally put him in an oxygen tank exploded. He's a pretty mon. Boom Mama Loves Mambo. Daughter deemed too dumb to do any Rochester. Bring me an aspirin Samat. They gotTA headache. Oh I'll get you own boss monon Denison closed-door what's on your mind kid just came over to bring you a piece of my birthday cake birthday k. Well that was very thoughtful. Lovey Dan. I saved it from my party here. G Green I think he's good doom Rate Green Icing before so your birthdays today No six months ago. Dana's human. This cake is six months old with chocolate when I bought it. Why in the world would you bring me a cake? Six months old and all covered with more stuff. They make penicillin. A what. You need all the help you can get Dana's boss here's your aspirin. I don't need it. The penicillin cured Rochester. Take his case took a label on it and put it in the medicine cabinet. Never mind man. Hello Drag Don. Come on in down. There's no rehearsal today. What are you doing around here? Oh I just dropped by return. This garden hose. I from your last week my garden hose or you won't be needing it anymore. I found a belt my size down. There was no right. You could have worn. The Hosea Y longer pickles. Deter the water off it makes sense. Today's mailbox or thanks Rochester giant. Isn't that paint? I smile yum having the living room. Redecorated you'll recognize it. Oh really or college are going to be well the ceiling. It'll be sort of an off white izzy and three of the walls are going to be bauge What are you doing with the fourth wall? Nothing that's one. We say. Advertising Rochester much took the ceiling. Stop being funny. Excuse me a second on. I just WanNa glance through my mail. Direct see what I got here. The bill another bill the circular another threatening letter from Arthur. Murray can teach his way. I'll teach mine. What's this letter from Waukegan? Well I'll be darned hey fellas. Here's letter from a pal. I haven't seen in twenty years stub Wilbur classmate of mine in high school nor Kidding Jack. Yeah he's coming out of here for a visit. Let's see arriving on the Super Chief at Union station two thirty PM on Wednesday. The hey today I better get down. They're going to Jack me too. Good I just grab a Jack and we'll go down to the station and meet my friends. Stop freeway we will make good time getting here. Yeah come on. 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Take a look around your house right now and pick out the safest spot away from windows and doors make sure that every member of your family understands he is rushed to that same spot when there's danger convinced that these precautions are necessary right now and. I hope I can convince you. They're important here family yourself and your community and you're listening to a Friday edition of Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station and episode of the Jack Benny Program. The next to last episode as it was originally broadcast on Sunday may fifteenth nineteen fifty five in the newspapers of that Sunday. Sixty five years ago. These were some of the headline senator. Joseph McCarthy said President. Eisenhower is the nothing to free. American servicemen held by Chinese communists except trying to stop so a communist Doug General Xue Cobb his Moscow pen Pal. The Wisconsin Republican in the speech at the State Convention of the Catholic War Veterans said quoting. Our government lacks the moral qualities of honesty and courage. He said American history does not contain a more shameful episode than the refusal of the current administration to secure the freedom of our Korean prisoners of war. Mccarthy said the administration is attempt to create two false impressions that only eleven or perhaps fifteen. American servicemen are held by the Chinese reds. And then I learned this last November when Communist China announced. It would try. Us airmen and spies but McCarthy said there are four hundred eighty one American uniform. Men leaped in communist prisons and the administration is known about them for nearly two years. The White House announced it will release. Volumme voluptuous report on the Sauk Power Polio Vaccine Program tomorrow. The mass inoculation of first and second grade school children began picking up momentum again after a week. Long suspension for new safety checks as government scientifically inspectors moved into the second five laboratories making the serum and vaccine for more than a million shots was released by the US Public Health Service like yesterday as a result of their inspection of the first plant on the list Park Davison Company of Detroit Russia's the Molotov promised at a dinner meeting with Rice stern foreign ministers last night at the Soviet Union will join in a bid four concerts at the top level in an effort to reach an East West settlement. The so called meeting at the summit would bring together. President Eisenhower Soviet Premier Bill Gannon British Prime Minister Eden and French premier. Furry sometime in the summer we president Eisenhower as his announcer secretary of State John Foster Dulles will report to the nation Tuesday night on negotiations for a big four meeting and other historic events. Dulles will speak in the president's office in the presence of ranking cabinet colleagues and his words will be broadcast by TV and radio he will be introduced by the president. The Soviet Union and seven Eastern European communist state set up a unified military command to counter the North Atlantic Treaty Organization that according to Soviet Marshal Ivan Conan made supreme commander headquartered in Moscow. Senator Richard Georgia Democrat of Georgia said today any pledged by President Tito of absolute neutrality. As between East and West would call for examination of American military and economic aid to Yugoslavia. Italy's Chamber of Deputy summoned to meet may twenty forth worth session. They could settle the fate of premier. Mario scale BAS pro western government. Emotional no-confidence foot board last night by neo-fascist and monarchs set for the agenda but it may be thrown out on a technicality. Parliamentary by one the required fifty nine signatures and from Linden New Jersey. Frank Pinot twelve tangled with a snapping turtle day and came out second best ladd who hunts turtles for a hobby. Treated for lacerations finger at hospital after a large specimen grabbed him instead of vice versa and held on to cops called by a caretaker at the Rose Hill cemetery heard frank screams the turtle across the nose with a shovel forcing it to let go cops said the turtle was a big one in pulled frank into the mire by the left index finger. Frank promised it only pick on small turtles? Though some of the day's news stories is reported in the newspapers of Sunday may fifteenth one thousand nine hundred fifty five on your Radio Jack. Benny which continues now. On Classic Radio Theater go to the south end of the depot to meet the incoming passengers. Yeah but I better check at the information desk and see if stub strains on time. Bundle long time no see. Yeah Yeah come on Jack Jack. Isn't that thing racetrack tout? Yeah I'm always bumping into that Tau why don't you just browse around? While I get the information okay see. Where's the information booth correction? Please there will be no trip to Anaheim as Zeus and go among as previously announced. That train has just been rented to the Fairfax Kiddie Park. So crowded here. Excuse me arden me. I wonder if only snippy why Miss Kurtz Guess. What are you doing here at the station? I'm peaking at three to New York. How well all the way to yard and I can see my wife. Space now boy. Will she crying all? She doesn't know you're coming. She doesn't know I'm Mr Kit. So don't tell you had an argument with your wife using my wife. We any chocolate keeps your relatives. Why a lot of living there with who you think. These station is crowded at the last count who seeks relatives came to leave with. Us thirty six relatives. Well then we're taking their word. They haven't got birth certificates. See what crowd. We got. King my house every place. They're sleeping on. The couch is on the beds on the channels and on top of the piano. Is My cousin Murphy. Your he's one of the twelve. We're taking his. Well have a nice trip Mr Kissing. Look me up when you get back up on his by goodbye. Goodbye attention we use. We have just learned that. While I mean through Albuquerque Westbound Sunshine Limited hit Macau and we'll be delayed several hours. What does the Don Le Just bumped into? Hey it's the sportsmen quartet Haya Fella attention please our riding on track eighteen chief from Chicago on track to the Lark from San Francisco and on track five cow from Albuquerque. I bet that one is really tender. Is attention please attention trains now leading for Las Vegas on Tracks Seven and eleven don? We were strange are pulled by dice oil engine. We'd better get that information about stub strain. Come on I think it's right over here. They're the information booth. There May Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-five Jack. 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Mole Dot Com the our mall dot com on our Saturday edition of Classic Radio Theater. An episode of the Green Hornet for May Sixteenth nineteen forty two invasion plans for victory. That'll be coming up on our Saturday edition of Classic Radio Theater. Pure not with us on Saturday. That's okay you can always catch up at our webpage. Classic Radio Dot Stream now the conclusion of the Jack. Benny Program May Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-five Don. We'd better get that information about stub strain come on. I think it's right over here. The information booth their own Mr Mr. Are you the information clerk? I am in this cage parakeet with wait a minute. The last time I was down here they had you behind the ticket counter. How did you get information? I one one three now. We stopped at all I want to know is if the super cheap will be arriving on time and let me see the California limited leaves in fifteen minutes. The Grand Canyon departs and a half an hour. The challenger is leaving in an hour and a half. Wait a minute. I want to know about a train coming in. Why do you keep telling me about trains? That are leaving the psychiatry. They called it. The power of suggestion still have an my question. When will the Super Chief Ben? Exactly fifteen minute. Thank you come on. Wait a minute Jack. What tractors the train come in? Is We have to know what gateway that all luck before we leave the window. Why don't you ask the man where to go okay? Could you tell me where to go took? Could you tell me where was four? I might let you have never mind they. Don Don what happened to Dennis is right over there way himself. Oh Yeah Dan. What are you jumping on that machine for? I put a penny in but no peanuts came out. Then that's a weighing machine at the scale when you put a penny a little card comes out there. It is down there edgy. Look I weigh one hundred and fifty five pounds and Dennis on the other side is your fortune fortune. Let me see. Gee Now they tell me. What does it say no peanuts on? We'd better get over to meet the train. Look plenty of time now. Why don't we go get a sandwich? I well there's not that much time I've got I. I'M GONNA meet the train. Well I'M GONNA get a sandwich like come on. We dentist well let him go alone then as you come with me okay. I bought one. Who Me no you. What the pointed head. He means me Chimera well. This is a switch. Look Mr What are you doing? I'm going with Mr. Benny Would Wilson Wilson. Why we'll look at the form. He's always out in front what about. Benny hasn't got a chance. His photo finish was the haunt at midnight. Take my one for Bun. Stick with Wilson. Well community I'm sticking with Benny Golson this carrying too much wave. He's got everything in the back. Strange will kill see in the poor house. Come on come on God wasting time. Yeah it's getting late. Well I suppose I better go with you to the southbound limited now leading all the Guna Capistrano San Diego de and WanNa forty call and Jack Drag. This is the gate right here. Yeah sure a lot of people waiting. Look I can hardly wait to see stop again. Good old stuff yeah. I'll bet you'll be glad to see you to come on. Let's edge over little. I wonder what that kid is crying about attention. The super chief has now arriving on track. Eight come on Mr Benny. Everyone's getting ahead of us. Poor kid better see wise crying on Jack. Hop in your body and you don't even know the kid. Well I can't just let them cry. What seems to be the sunny. You lose your mommy. I don't know what's wrong but I wish you stop crying. If you give me a nickel I will ahead Jack. Given Toy Don. I don't even know the kid are starting to come up the ram all right get. Here's a nickel now. You can stop crying and dryer is because everything is going to be already. I didn't do it. Jackie so your friend no I don't. I hope he didn't miss the train. That's the way he wasn't school to completely irresponsible Wilbur. I was two years older than stuff and he got in the habit of letting me do thinking for forum attention please. Attention go lordly now. Arriving on track five morally man. Was IT Varghese? Well there's no sense standing here. Let's go home. Yeah I guess so. Gee I'm sorry I dragged. You're both down here on a wild goose chase big PARTON. Could you be of a little assistance to me? Oh what can I do for you sir? Well I don't seen so good anymore. Would you mind reading and address? I've got written down here on this piece of paper that see three sixty six north camden drive. Wait a minute. That's my address. Stop Well Burn. It's good to see you come on. We got a lot of talk here. Odd carry your bag. Never mind the banks. It's amazing how you can get when you're don't lie about your age on everyone. Let's go home town grams every minute. Day and night destructive fire starts and in nine out of ten cases. Most fire start because someone who's careless. Don't let that someone be you be sure. Your electrical wiring is properly installed but cigarettes matches out before you discard them beyond God constantly against fire. Remember only you can prevent fires. Thank you Gosh Dub. Isn't it wonderful your first day in California came? I go to bait now. You want to go to sleep at so early. I know but I'm super tired of painting this room. We just have to finish this ceiling and then we can go to sleep. Yeah yes good night from May Fifteenth. Nineteen fifty five sixty five years ago today. The next of the last episode of the Regular Jack Benny Program here on Classic Radio Theater and next Friday we will bring you the final episode which not only features Jack but also features a very integral part of the last few years of the program Mel Blanc. Hope you visit our web page. 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Is that character that sounds NAPA lot like WC fields this episode originally broadcast May Fifteenth Nineteen. Fifty-three it's entitled Open Range Frontier Town the Saga of the roaring West Frontier Town El Paso from Tom Com the adventurous story of the early West the tamed and the untamed from the Paco's powder river dodd city to poker reflect. These are the towns. They fought to live in and live to fight four teeming crucibles of pioneer freedom from tear towel. I'm Chad Remington frontier lawyer. Now don't go getting any ideas that being a frontier lawyer is anything like being a lawyer anyplace else because it is no sue out on the balling Brawling Frontier Law. Business is much much more than trouble. Business Business. Which explodes with the suddenness of single action cold and as often as not only recently I was writing back to those Rius the little town where I live and practice law cited by the reform medicine man who has become my sidekick and now operates the those reas livery stable Jarecki's obamacare. The day was quiet. This guy limitless and blue overhead and everything seemed piece of world concert. I say counselor Chad. Have you gone down or are you taping again? What was that again ricky? Did you say something and I say Parsi. It said something. Otherwise why would you have answered me? Listen good question Cherokee why would now? If you don't mind just what was that you said. Say Well if you didn't say anything why did I answer? That is what I mean. I something but it wasn't anything. What have you been doing? Cherokee studying nights to be a lawyer. Any man who says something but doesn't say anything could soon be Supreme Court judge. I missed REMINGTON. You'd give me a chance to finish into explain myself. Perhaps you'd realize poor target for your food aid my apologies. I simply spoke your name hoping that when you reply I can induce you to stop these horses long enough so that I could. Well War some of this Alkali dust out of my mom. You'd wash your mouth out with one and only what I stopped. The whole world would stop but since there's nothing around hit wash your mouth out with. Why waste time talking about out? You'll catch your eye on exhibit. There's two with and is follow. The scabbard on my saddle doesn't contain a car being but it does contain pint of by former American medicine genuine Cherokee Indian rattlesnake oil chicken at one hundred and fifty four proof alleged medicine instead of a thirty caliber rifle. What would happen if we got into trouble? Towelettes bottle could do a lot more damage than carbon concert. Either Club report down the throat or some poor unsuspecting match apply to it with Jerky through shots. Mean anything. You may get a chance to find out whether that alcohol is any match for lead covered bullet where those shots come from Hill. Apparently from where those two young homesteaders settled only a few weeks ago billy blue blazes chat that might be where in front of the range long sure might unless we can get this enough to do something about it all right come on Jerry. King put that bottle back in your settled. Let's make tracks from morning in which everything seemed to be all right in the world. Everything changed the sound of those rifle-shots ripped apart the curtain of peace and lime mines opened up the Panorama of death and destruction. Homestead is never were welcome and country which has been used as open rain and although the fuel who had moved into those reas recently had behaved themselves and turn the other cheek the young Texan and his wife who had moved into this particular section. Were young and well just Texans. It took us a few moments. The top the rise. I'm a hill and race down toward the little homestead his cabin. But even before we got there we could see bud gaffney and his wife Donna standing near the fence they had put up. Winchester's hands barrels of their rifles pointed directly at one of our old time Rangers side Devonport. There was trouble brewing and it looked as if we might be arriving too late. What are you looking to kill somebody? I looking to kill someone but I haven't gotten any scruples against it. No one's coming in and tearing down our offense and if you're aiming on helping they saw the same goes for you too. Would you mind telling me what's going on here? I don't mind Kenya Chad. These two young MC trouble. That's all you don't clear off from my place Davenport your troubles would be all over soon. Would someone mind telling me what this is all about? All I know so far is that Mrs Gaffney apparently is accusing Davenport here ripping fences but as far as I can see. There are no fences ripped. Oh there ain't GonNa be come rain or high water but MS gaffey. I have no intention of ripping down your I told you that before. I just come out here to tell you that you build your fences over your line and onto my please. Yeah you're the judge they are. Now wait a minute if the fence is built over onto Davenport's property it's a simple matter of fact something that can be proved and that's just what I wanted to do true but if I change and it was had proven anything this pair you call that talk you were handing us proof what. Talk Mrs Geffen offered to show them. Where the original government surveyors hub Mike in the middle of the township. When this land was originally laid out you call proof anybody could dig up a hub move at any place they wanted to and I spent two days checking the lines and the cars before put up fans national pulls you want me to take your word for it. Wait a minute cy. There's no sense in flying off. The handle proof is proof and this is the easiest thing I know of to prove. Licensed survey can determine your line. Today's time Oh she oh I should rip out my fences because someone you're paying tells me that you're all be night of bucolic. Bits of voter dash. I ever heard what's that you own the product too because if you are all make sure you got in your head of this brings out guide Jerry urinating a rifle in your saddle boot anyhow. Keep this one for a while. Right concert side. This would be a good time for you to get back on your horse and go on home running me out of here. Go on man get out while the getting's good you'd better so I am since we have no ax to grind. After you leave maybe we can talk to find some way that this thing can be settled. It's better to the conversation than to have someone Senate it into a grave out and back at the Methodist Church. I'm afraid that out on the frontier talk rarely has settled anything but after side Davenport had written off and with both bud and Donna Gafni glaring his Cherokee and I did try to talk sense to them not that it did much good. What in the name of all at sacred you want devonport to do. He's offered to pay a new survey. May that'll cost him at least one hundred dollars and wouldn't that be cheap? One hundred dollars to get almost thirty acres of our land. You don't have to worry about it. 'cause ain't GonNa have them well then. Why don't you get your own survey? I told you before. Spent two days laying out that land myself. It's right and I suppose you can't be wrong now. Don't you see that? If you want me thing we can see. Mr Is that we didn't ask you here. We don't want to hear and you'd better be riding. Well Jared I think she means it we sure do mean and if you or or anyone else comes back and tries to stick and notice in where they don't belong in better he'll cause ain't nobody still Niba ancient. What Rattler Out Kathy? You've been in Dosari as long enough to know that we've got a martial here. Means what he says. And if you're going to try and making your own laws I'm afraid you'll find out that we've got some laws that we enforce and you'll end up in jail see who's GonNa end up in jail and if you go get off of here on the next thirty seconds you'll be lucky if you end up in jail for trespassing well Chad. I've learned the hard way during the tribulations in my life that it doesn't pay to argue with the woman she's a lady you're right. Cherokee so since I don't want to end up in jail or anyplace else. Let's get back on our horses and get into town and have a little talk with a muscial You don't seem to understand what Chad's driving at Marshall hold a heck high dome but I'll tell you this much then they gavitt he's try-spree screening led around this time. They'RE GONNA end up right here in jail. Marshall I'm afraid Cherokee was right. You don't seem to get the point. I'm trying to make. I'm trying to stop any shooting before it happens at the Gavitt. He's go for their guns though. Just make more trouble. Don't you see how the name ability hanged your figure to stop trouble? When rate no trouble yet? By the simple device of having you go out there and read the gaffer as the riot act but no surveyor. He probably made a mistake when he lined up connors. Decide that importers right. And if you is Marshall can keep peace until the survey at does go out there and check the land that ought to give the gaffanay sufficient time to cool off a little real have gathered. He built his fence. Where you just said he did. It's crawlers the cart. We lose that he's over on Davenport's land why I know where that survey hub was sunk. It's been there for US. And if that's the case all you have to do is go out there. Shall that sounds like trouble down the street. Davenport down the yeah. Sure does fella slamming away at Texas friend but definitely hoover's to brain show here come on now. What's the meaning of this? What's going on? How just riding down the street? When his young smart had come turn in heels over eleven? Home is not your horse on. He saw me coming deliberately. Turn his horse right in front of I got a good mind. You have got a good mind gathering but from what I've seen of it today. I'm starting to think you haven't got any mind off. You're sure about that. And this is the last stall no sense in even trying to be nice to someone who don't appreciate it so tomorrow morning. I'm getting severe and going back. You come walking on the place and you won't be going back. Let's they carry. You is that so let me tell you something. If side Devonport comes out your place with a survey you keep your mouth shut and leave your guns alone. Because if there's any talking back you'll be doing to me and I'm backing up this badge with a gun. That's already got a few notches on We'll return to the second act of open. Range are exciting frontier down adventure in just a few moments. In fact one hundred eighty seconds. Frontier Town May Fifteenth Nineteen fifty three on Classic Radio Theater. Hi I'm Wayne. Allyn root I want all of you to get real real real water that is I live and die with my real water. It's the only stable negative ion alkaline water in America. I drink it everywhere I go and it tastes great to real water. Is Up there game again now with the real water. Concentrate you can get real water anytime anywhere. 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Devonport gathered up a survey and the Marshall and ruined out to the guy for the homestead gaffney and his wife saw them coming and with winchester's lying easily across the top rail just waited until they got close enough to be sure they wouldn't miss all right. Lsu In Kim. Promise me it won't be wasted. Marshall got a warrant for me. I'm warning you stay on the other side of that fan. I know but I'm still coming on your place with this. Come on. You're safe right where you are but another two stats near on our land. We'll find out WHO's landed. Wants TO SURVEY. It's checking the lines move. That'd be off court Wale now. Why don't you folks act reasonable? I'm glad I missed you. 'cause I was naming know was I am an ongoing land? I guess that having you here's made me a little bit nervous and being nervous ain't good for Itchy plane and we both got H. E. Failures spars. You three are concerned. All right. We'll use wasting any breath. Appear like you and giving five seconds to drop those rifles on this side of the fence at margin Alejandra. This Jasper's right who you take one away from his wife. You don't remember what I told you about coming. One step closer to your mom not don't act like a food just do as a martial see is the La from afar code little philly shooting side mushroom not really bad. Who are here. Not that right for your choice. Do you keep away from husband. I mean Birch put on them surveying company. Forty five all right. Ma'am get him from. I have to take myself. Or here's mine and now man you want mine. Come and get it done. We in trouble enough already. It's always the Marshall only. He don't seem to know it. Well Marcia you gonNA take my gun. And this is the first time I've ever had to fight with a woman and I hope it's big pressure on palm. If you want to you love Mercy Javadi. Kevin usually what happened definitely. Don't stare at me. She pushed that rifle parallel up to our neck and then she squeezes the trigger. Mar Hugh if you Kim. My Wife you've done your last killing but I have called just the shores. God made Little Green Napa. Someone of blast you right off the face her. There was no question in my mind that if his wife's death hadn't been such a stunning blowed but gaffney that he would have pulled trigger and not stop squeezing until the bright morning sunlight poured through the marshalls body. It was an awful thing justice sudden and brutal death always is but worst of all was the way for Fred Beam as the Marshall felt when he wrote back to. Tom Stunned and shaken. He came right to my ted. I tell you awful awful or not. It wouldn't have happened if the girl had been so cantankerous and my boy was in the line of duty. Do Jesus get the folks around here. Let me gunned down. Women Glad you didn't say defenseless women because this is i. Am Donna Gaffey from what you told us a moment before that rifle barrel had been pointed right at your house but Chad. I'm a grown man. I'm supposed to know that no better than what I am. I'm no better than common everyday murderer. That's what I am not look for your sake for the sake of everybody. I'm Tom you've got to get hold of stream I snuff out. That's what's good to do now. Even school child those. Two wrongs never made a right now. Instead of wearing about yourself read you ought to go over and see how side Davenport's getting size. Alright she just got him in the fleshy recite from eighth fifteenth. Nine thousand nine hundred fifty three. Were listening to an episode of Frontier Town. Starring Reed Hadley and Wade Crosby Huron Classic Radio Theater. And we'll have the conclusion coming up in four minutes. I'm Wyatt thank you so much for tuning in to Classic Radio Theater. Right here on your favorite radio station. Thanks for joining us. 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You really think so Chad. I really think so so much. They were going down to your stables. Got us a pair of fast horses and China up the dust. All the way from does reach out to the gaffey place. Chad isn't that someone writing away but guarantees place now where I don't see any by Georgia right and if I'm not mistaken that's Gaffey streaking. Tom Too far away from here. But I'll bet you a case of something fit the drink against a cup of water right now that Mr Gabardine has got blood in his I and he's got to get the Marshall Fool. We can't let that happen. We just can't Bud Gaffney heard you. He certainly isn't letting on Geffen up by NINCOMPOOP US for wasting rice on him. There's only one thing to do Cherokee with these ponies. And if we get the Tom. Before get does come with a good half mile headstart and being a lighter man either Cherokee Awry gaffey had not too much trouble hitting the stand of spruce on the edge of his place before we could overtake once. He was sheltered by the trees. The only thing we could train by whereas the occasional echo of his horses flying fetus erased through some canyon. The little spirals of dust kicked up plunging across an open spaces he headed for. We pounded long past. Mfs Rock down the draw through Royal Blanco and came up over the rise between chimney. Rock Squid. Top looking down into the distant town but ahead of us through thick green meadow. There was no sign of Bud Gafni. There was no sign of anything except the yellowing tops of the grass moving softly in the morning breeze. I have appeared to the Prophets Chad. He's either out runs or disappear. More than likely backtrack socal and got behind us again. You WanNa go back and find out. Don't dare take the chance we've got to get to the modules. Plays just as fast as we can get up there you. There was nothing but an open method across and took Cherokee and me almost no time at all to get close to the marshalls cabin midway across the field. We heard a shot coming from what appeared to be a little house ahead of us and which served to lend wings to our a horses pounding. Who's there was no sign a bud gaffe? We reached the cabin short order and practically threw ourselves out. I'll be hanging Chad at couldn't have come from here but they're the marshalls sitting at the kitchen table. He's back to his biggest life. We had a shot at all. It must have been from somewhere the other side of the Canyon and the echo made. It seem that it came from here. Well we can send up a few prayers that we got here before gathered. He did so. That's one inside wore on the Mars now Cherokee when not going inside the marshalls got enough on his mind. Already without more worries about our suspicions than what are we going to do? Well since nobody knew. The Marshall had come home except does probably gaffey wrote into town to the Marshal's office. So you stay here to make sure that he doesn't find the Marshall. I'm going to head vitamin SEE. If I can't run across gaffey myself you're going to leave me out here all alone. I'M GONNA have to Turkey and dog now. I'm depending on defending you keep your mouth shut and both eyes open. Jerky didn't keep his mouth shut in his eyes open. Tiring waiting for me and with nothing untoward happening Jarecki's sheltered himself behind the little mud roof seller and closing. His eyes opened his mouth and talk. Few swallows out of the bottle. He was still carrying a saddle. Booed of course it would happen just him and while Cherokee was outside and out of action but gaffey saw his chance and walking lightly crossed from the chorale to the cabin window. The MARSHA was still seated at the kitchen. Table is broad backup. Perfect target for any gun at in this case for Bud gaffer's wife mortaring butchered and believe me. I'm not going to mess right between the shoulder blades. Don't you fall down? You have to in Horn. Don't just set there fall down your day fall out of that chair. I'm GonNa have to you met manual lunatic. I've got you bet. I'll give you his gun here now. Let's see how good you are with an empty JAG murder? The Marshall a I've got some used. Don't you leave me alone? Heike Elimelech said. Would you got me locked up? I ain't squawking now but you may squawk after this. Remember you kept pumping lead into the marshals back. Because he wouldn't fall out of the chair. Yeah what we took the marshalls body Odor Doctors House. We just came from there. The reason the Marshall didn't fall out of the kitchen chair was because his body was cold he'd blown his brains out three hours. Before you got there so you see it. Shot a man who was already dead only brains out in. You've got to let me go. I didn't get that's where you're wrong. Gaffey maybe you won't swing for this but you'll certainly spend the rest of your life in jail morning. 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A Failed Attempt to Overturn the Election

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27:59 min | 3 months ago

A Failed Attempt to Overturn the Election

"From the new york times. I'm michael borrow. This is a deal a today. After weeks of delay the trump administration has authorized a formal transfer of power to president. Elect joe by my colleague. Jim rooney on the unprecedented campaign of lawsuits lies and pressure from the president to try to prevent that from ever happening. It's tuesday november. twenty four. th. Jim the last time you and i talked was the morning. The saturday morning at the new york times called the presidential election several weeks ago. Do you remember. are you sure we spoke. Because i have no recollection of that. We absolutely spoke and it feels like four years ago but at that moment and they actually in that conversation our collective sense was that in the face of defeat president trump would be making the case that he in fact hadn't lost that he would not concede anytime soon that he would file a few lawsuits but that it really wasn't going to amount to all that much and they would probably feel like a nuisance campaign and in fact it's kind of become a pretty big deal. I've spent most of this year preparing to cover some semblance of something like this. If he lost. But i was not prepared. Nothing indicated to me. It was going to look like this. Data president trump remaining defiant and not conceding this race by all indications today. The president wants to keep fighting. We're gonna win pennsylvania but they're trying to cheat us out of it because they know it's their only path to victory the president's biggest battlegrounds the courtrooms in the states. That will decide. The presidential race has not lost. Do not concede. Mr president fight hard. And that's this incredibly intense effort that starts with some court cases in michigan republicans claim. They had evidence account should be stopped and then more cases in nevada republican lawyers claimed their observers weren't close enough in pennsylvania. Trump's lawyers claimed their observers. Were being blocked dan. You have this pressure campaign on not just politicians but election officials at the lowest levels of state government this wheelbarrow filled with more than a thousand handwritten letters from trump's supporters was delivered to state legislators today in hopes of stopping the next stage in the election process as they work to do this very basic thing which is to count the votes and declared the winner it will not work but it is so relentless and tenacious that it's causing a lot of trouble and it's really pointing up some weaknesses in the system. Okay so let's walk through this evolving strategy from the president and how it has evolved and how to actually playing out in some key states and it feels like the most interesting development. So far have occurred really three states. Pennsylvania georgia and michigan. And i wonder if we could start in pennsylvania. Pennsylvania good state my home state. I will have you know. So pennsylvania has been where president trump has followed a strategy of litigation defiling lawsuit after lawsuit state court county court city court at every level just lawsuit lawsuit in the lawsuits are all kind of the same basic idea that the president trump's observers were able to see what was going on when they were sort of monitoring the vote counting this is by the way not true and then the arguments are about mail ballots. Basically that these have been flawed and opened a fraud. Sorta system of voting that should be cast aside and our cruise director for this fantastic voyage is none other than the former new york city mayor. Now the president's personal lawyer rudolph giuliani. Wow what a beautiful day. Thank you thank you for coming. Listeners will remember that he starts right the weekend after election day. Debuts big premier is at a joint called four seasons total landscaping inc on the outskirts of philadelphia across from a porn shop. In some places though. I'm here on behalf of trump campaign described to you first part of a situation that is extremely troubling and at this press conference judo from the very beginning mail in ballots innately fraud. Mayor guiliani basically impugns the entire philadelphia election system and the democrats who control the city in philadelphia. They keep the votes dead people secret. Jogging the people in philadelphia. I'm attacking decrepit democratic machine which has a lot of other reasons to be attacked. You serve ladies and gentlemen philadelphia and then motor. Before the court afternoon is out of donald j trump president he kinda continues on he takes increasing leadership role in these lawsuits. W giuliani. i represent all the players in this case your member of the bar new york. I guess at least one federal court. The first time in decades giuliani who started his career is very famous prosecutor. New york reenters federal courtroom. T like coming back to swing the bat. The best description of this situation is widespread nationwide voter fraud. We starts making kind of similar argument that he made it good old four seasons total landscaping inc with these kind of wholesale allegations of fraud. Principal ones are in philadelphia and allegheny both of them democrat. Machines controlled by democrats in the case of philadelphia. Well known for voter fraud but the lawsuit is in fact narrower. It's not a big fraud. Suit is basically about alleged improprieties and irregularities with mail in ballots for which there's not much evidence and the judge presses guiliani. Does the american complaint lead fraud with particularity. Is this a fraud case. Because i was not aware of that and it doesn't plead fraud and giuliani has to admit. No your honor. This is not a fraud case Thank you councilor. So the judge pretty mild mannered in the court room renders absolutely stinging rebuke. This past saturday in his decision and that decision reads plaintiffs. that would be the president through. Mr giuliani asked this court to disenfranchise. Almost seven million voters he goes on. This court has been unable to find any case in which plaintiffs sought such a drastic remedy in the context of an election in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that. When seeking such a startling outcome a plaintiff would come formidable armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption instead. This court has been presented with strain legal arguments without merit and speculative unsupported by evidence people laws and institutions demand. More right he's basically saying get out of my courtroom. You have asked me to do something extraordinary. And you've provided no evidence that i should do so at this point. They're cases completely fallen apart. They don't have it with that stinging rolling. It's basically definitely pennsylvania. This legal strategy is kinda hitting the end of road okay. So let's move on to georgia where it feels like. We start to see the strategy evolving from just a legal effort to refute the outcome yet. Georgia's where we see president. Trump's could a number one asset come into play and that's his influence in the party which is his power in the party at his power. Not only to persuade but to pressure georgia's secretary of state says fellow. Republicans are pushing him to exclude legally cast votes and that he and his wife are getting death threats over it brand. He brings this pressure to bear upon for secretary of state of georgia. A republican brad burger. I understand everything that we do. We'll be put under a microscope and what's going on here is. George has been very closed but closer than pennsylvania few thousand votes in this pressures coming from president trump supporters in the state very powerful republican party. There that he needs to audit before. There's any certification and it should be a hand recount and what that's going to do with the president's to get his way. Here's slow this process down. Because that's the goal. Stave off the inevitable certification of joe biden's when and lo and behold the secretary of state caves on this with the margin being so close it will require a full by hand recount at each county. This will help build confidence. It will be a heavy lift and agrees to a hand recount. The trump campaign is celebrating. The democrats have their heads in their hands. But lo and behold this recount takes place pretty quickly they do find in fact a couple major counties have thousands of loss votes but when those votes are counted by hand again trump gains between one and two thousand extra votes not enough to overcome the result so only solidifies the fact that joe biden won the state of georgia so the president and his allies in the state to start beating the heck add up the poor secretary state and this afternoon senators purdue and leffler both of them. Republicans issued a joint statement calling for the resignation of georgia secretary of state. Brad robbins burger wrath. And it's not president trump. He gets buy in from some powerful figures in his party. Notably senator lindsey graham. Who's not even of georgia. Grand called just assume that he was calling back the two runoffs for the senators. So i called him back. Who frappes and burger comes out and says publicly that lindsey graham called him the pressure Row out legally cast votes. I felt that he implied that for us to audit the envelopes and throw up. Bouts of counties went the highest frequency air of signatures. As you mentioned that's not something we can do to you and asked you this brad. Did you feel it was inappropriate. Yeah i did. And that's why i didn't call back. The results have held up. The little discrepancies are nowhere near changing the result. Anti trump is bringing incredible pressure pressure to bear on this lowly public official who despite being fellow republicans stands up for the results and joe biden is declared the winner of georgia. So what we're seeing. Is this much more hard edged. And i guess creative form of interference by the president to threaten a public official who holds responsibility for vote counting and certification and basically have them start to fear for their future and therefore do the president's bidding which in this case might just be throwing out votes. It's an open bid for wholesale disenfranchisement and in fact it's failed because certain fide. It's vote last week. And braxton burger kind of delivered a sort of ringing endorsement of democracy in his state and he said in a statement the truth. Is that the people of georgia and across. The country should not have any remaining doubts about who won the presidential election earlier this month. That is definitive as you get this. But he's telling them it's over georgia. Yep it's going in the mail right to the electoral college holding back preparing for the holidays brings lots of joy and a whole lot of mess from disorganized. 'cause it's two piles of laundry to you. 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I can't publish until i spent months or even years following every lead checking every fact all those resources. There are available to us because of new york times subscribers. If you'd like to support this kind of work you can subscribe at ny times dot com slash subscribe. Okay so jim. Finally we have michigan now. In pennsylvania and elaborate legal strategy is tried and failed in georgia. Pretty elaborate pressure campaign has tried. That failed so what happens in michigan. Michigan is like a trumpian and wrench into the gears of democracy where he delves into the machinery of certifying a presidential vote from a state and he starts clunking up. What does that look like. Clunking it up so what it looks like as first of all you get to see these gears that voter you never see and suddenly we start hearing last week. That pressure is mounting on something that i'd never heard of in twenty years of covering politics. There's canvassing board and wayne county. Every county has a canvassing board the runs through this process. And this wayne county canvassing board is a four member. Board to republicans democrats very low level party members is coming under immense pressure from the trump world to refuse to certify the vote These two board members who are republicans are being told you you must because of these tiny discrepancies not certified this vote. And if they don't this will be a big problem. Why would that matter so much. Because then michigan's ability to certify its vote and send its delegates to colleges hindered. This is a major county but even any county because this problem and we learned thing about these two republicans on the wayne county canvassing board. In fact they are ardent trump supporters. And they are fully buying into this idea. That fraud is rampant. And in fact. One of these two william hartman. His facebook page was filled with conspiracies about fraud in this election. Things that are just objectively false. It in their hands the future of democracy in michigan and sure enough when it comes time to certify. We'll craig it was a dramatic night in michigan. Here's what happened citing these tiny little discrepancies and a few precincts in wayne county and in detroit till republican county officials in michigan's largest county which includes detroit refused to certify the election results in that county. They say we can't certify these two republicans so now that board is going to be deadlocked. Well that move. Outraged the democrats on the board and speaker after speaker on the boards public zoom meeting. The short of it is. There's a great outcry you have extracted a blanche city of county and say the only one that are at fault at issue is the city of detroit. Eighty percent of the people who resigned. You're african american detroit. Voters are not gonna go along with this one hundred people in this meeting and these two republicans reverse course and they vote to certify that would be that lo and behold who caused them but the president of the united states calls the two members of the wayne county canvassing board. Yeah and twenty four hours later. They released a statement that they're trying to take back their vote. We don't want to certify we're taking it back after they've spoken to the president now it turns out legally. They can't do that so that's over now next step in the process. The president turns his attention to the state. Canvassing board and suddenly that four member body did again. I'd never heard of in the last twenty years. They are under immense pressure immense pressure and we start seeing some interesting things about those two republican members and that is at one of them norm. Schinkel he is such an ardent trump supporter that last month. He sang the national anthem at a trump rally lansing. Well so now. It's all about this state. Canvassing board a norm schinkel tells us over. The weekend is happening kind of late the week into the weekend that he is under such pressure his phone is ringing off the hook in ways that has never rang off the hook and he says now. Wait a minute. I don't know what i'm gonna do here now. This is an interesting quandary because these boards do not as a matter. Of course way whether or not to certify votes right. The job is to be a rubber stamp rubber rubber-stamp literally they used rubber stamps and wayne county the formality and suddenly norm schinkel saying well we might have to do an investigation or an audit here. They i'm faced with important decision. Whether or not certify. The results number third general election. So then we come into monday. And there's a great anticipation about this vote. This is kind of this incredible moment where the state of michigan may not be able to certify. Its election result election result. By the way mind you that is some one hundred and fifty thousand votes. In joe biden saver parts of this extraordinary norm schinkel shows up and and raise his concerns. He doesn't feel confident about this. He doesn't know it. Become clear to us many in michigan and across the country that michigan has a problem conducting elections. And he's told your body to investigate fraud. You do not have a choice. This is a rubber-stamp body. Your job is to certify. You doesn't give you the authority to band-aid documents or compelled testimony. And then there's this kinda surprising moment where the other republican on the board his. Name's aaron van langeveldt. We have a clear duty to certify the result of the election. Ask them by the return that we're giving you see raises his hand to say you know that is our job in should not. We'll beyond that. Our job is to simply certified hon. Ultimately he sides with the democrats to vote for certification. Will you please take a goal. Call boat chair bradshaw. Yes ice chair. Van langeveldt norm schinkel liquor. Schinkel gets to keep his good standing and trump attack by upstate. Motion does move. Ultimately this canvassing board votes to certify the result therefore declare vines victory and hand him of michigan's leave sixteen electors from the electoral college. That is exactly the case jim. I just want to pause and marvel at. That's the right word and what you have just described because the lawsuits what we saw in pennsylvania. That was one thing right. Every candidate for every office is entitled to use legal avenues available to them to challenge. There was also election but the bullying of officials. Like secretary of state in georgia feels very different. If feels deeply unethical and asking officials in michigan to basically void the results of a free and fair election to take actions that could lead to the overturning of the will of tens of thousands hundreds of thousands millions of voters that does feels not merely shocking right but undemocratic and for many people deeply immoral yet. mike a we. We've never seen anything like this. And there's an extra two frankly disturbing twist to this and that is that the communities. He's targeting our cities with large black populations in detroit's case majority black population in a country. Whose great shame has been the disenfranchisement of black voters and trump went to a place. We'd still never seen as a country which is throw out the entire cities votes right and not not just detroit but also as you said before when it came to rudy giuliani philadelphia. You know we're not even talking about atlanta or milwaukee and so much of this effort this campaign. Whatever you wanna call. It is to malign black majority cities. Black voters with this ridiculous unsubstantiated accusation that somehow these cities are too corrupt for their votes to count right and yet in all of the attempts that you have just described none of them have worked which i guess shows that the system does contain a fair number of checks and balances because as you said this is without question an unprecedented on the system but the system in the three cases that we just went through did not succumb. I guess. I'll do a glass half full answer on that is yes the checks and balances worked but they only work because people like the secretary of state of georgia people like the lone republican who is willing to vote for certification in michigan believed in that system enough did they followed the law and didn't go along with president trump on this but it took those people standing up. That's been the lesson here is. The system is run by human beings with their own partisan passions. Jim thank you very much. We appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Shortly after we spoke with jim the head of the general services administration. Emily murphy issued a statement formally designating joe biden as president elect and providing the funds and resources necessary to begin the transition process in a letter to biden. Murphy said she had made the decision on monday afternoon. Following the string of legal defeats for trump and the certification of biden's victory in states like pennsylvania georgia and michigan in a tweet trump said that he accepted murphy's decision but did not concede and promised to continue his fight Great back there's nothing like home for the holidays unless you're surrounded by a festive mess. That's why we talked to the deep cleaning. Experts at tied about the smartest ways to clean the messy kfc and all the dirt that goes unseen to learn how to tackle laundry transform your home and beat stains and odors in a snap had ny times dot com slash tied. 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RFT 445: Air Force/Airline/NASA Pilot Liz Ruth

Ready For Takeoff - Turn Your Aviation Passion Into A Career

27:14 min | 4 months ago

RFT 445: Air Force/Airline/NASA Pilot Liz Ruth

"This is the ready for takeoff. Podcast episode four forty two. My name is george ali and today. I'm talking to liz ruth but first let me tell you about our sponsor the hanff is novel series if you like aviation combat action. It's probably by real events in vietnam. I know you're really going to enjoy the book. And you know you can get the first book in the series as an audio book and you can get a totally free if you go to free him. Fist dot com and sign up for an account with audible. But right now. Fasten your seat belts and get ready for takeoff. I'm joined today by liz. Ruth liz was an air force pilot. Flying the t thirty eight and the t. forty-three and then went to united airlines. As an instructor on the boeing seven thirty seven three hundred and she's currently a seven forty seven pilot with nasa flying the sophia. And this is going to tell us what that stands for The sofia boeing-747. sp liz. It's great having you with this. Thanks for inviting me. You're welcome so Tell us you got your start in aviation so. I was one of those kids that i always wanted to be in the air. From the time. I can remember thinking about it. I was lucky enough to grow up on a navy base in the middle of the desert. Were sounds kind of counter intuitive but it was called china lake developed and tested missiles and weapons for the navy so between the beautiful blue desert skies and the beautiful night skies and then all the low-flying aircraft there was always a reason to look up. And i just wanted to be up there and so my original idea was to be a doctor and had my own airplane. That was going to be my plan. I think that was influence looking back. By the fact that my pediatrician was a doctor. A woman doctor who lived in lancaster and flew her own airplane up to see us. So that was kind of my idea as much as i wanted to fly. I still think it's interesting that it never occurred to me that i could be a military pilot or commercial airline pilot. Because you just didn't see women do that That changed when i was in high school and my dad told me that the navy had started training women so the navy started in nineteen seventy three to train some women and all of a sudden everything became clear to me. I wanted to be a military pilot. So i started going in that direction and then My senior year in high school One of those women was assigned to our base rosemary. Kinetzer now rosemary mariner and she was one of the first graduates and she came and talked to me which was very very kind of her. And some. that's what. I wanted to do The air force sent me an application for not see. I done well in high school and was good tests and all that lying air force. That's what i wanna do. So i got an rotc scholarship and went to the university of southern california. And i showed up the first day. Rotc and said i am here to be a pilot and they said not so fast. The air force still testing the idea. Even though the navy had already had women the air force was about three years behind. And so they said. We can't give you a pilot slot right now so i just forge ahead and a couple of years later. They finally said okay. We're up the testing program now to include rotc cadets so then. I went through the whole process of testing. And all those things you have to do to get doubt that was too short so that was another obstacle But my sitting height was good enough so again we forged ahead and then i was lucky enough to get one of the five women pilots slots tomorrow t see so. I think at the end of my sophomore year. I had my pilot's slot. So i was ready to go and then asked her graduating. I went to research to undergraduate pilot training. So what did you major in at usc. I ended up. I started out in engineering and found out that. I did not like it at all and it up majoring in business. Oh okay so you went to reese and now did you have any flying experience at all before you went to reach well in arts. I didn't have my own flying experience part of our to see for anyone who had a pilot slot your senior year. They gave you twenty five hours at a local. Fbi oh so they got you to solo okay of a screening program that way. So that's the experience i have on. I got to race. Okay and do. They still have t thirty seven when you went to raise. Yes started out and thirty seven and then thirty eight so it was sixty five guys and me in my class. They were great guys. I was oh lucky it was just such a great group of people is lucky enough to have excellent. Instructors or stroller was my teeth. Thirty-seven instructor jim. Rooney was my t thirty eight instructor. So i was very lucky with that and i was designated as spider attack. Reconnaissance qualified Upon graduation but none of those kind of airplanes were available to maybe. That's there was a combat exclusion combat extrusion right. So i wanted to fly the fastest thing. I could which was t thirty. Eight stayed radiate instructor. Okay and did you stay. And then i met my husband there it it was good. I stayed there And then at the end of that tour this combat exclusion was still in place. And so my husband. And i worked out a joint spouse assignment. He blew c. Fives at travis. And i flew t forty. Three's at maker and the t. Forty-three is a seven thirty. Seven two hundred configured for navigation training and it was a great job. I love that airplane. I have a lot of fun and make a great assignment. because you're you're an hour from san fran. You're an hour and a half from reno it's just a you. Can you can do lots of things within a short drive. I was based there for a year and we had what we called our california weekends. Where you'd ski one day at tahoe and then go sailing the next day on the bay in san francisco right. So how long did you fly. Thirty forty three. I was there for three and a half years. So you were taking navigator trainees up. And they would be in the back with drift meters and celestial ports and things like that and they do their stuff while you flew them around exactly in fact. It's very much like what i'm doing now. With sophia with the astronomy the astronomers in the back where we have a route. But we're actually following the directions of the people in the back to to do what they need to do soup or the navigation training. Each one of our missions was about five hours. We've pretty much fly two and a half hours one way and turn around and come back but because the students were practising us we had to get what we call the sell app clearance and twenty miles left and right of course at a wander around swath of the air for selnow. I assume that was night. Then the missions. Actually they could do that during the day could they could. They see stars in daytime through the through the sex on this. But i know we. We did a day and they were looking at that. Uh-huh well okay. So after i guess eight years you got out of the air force. Yes my husband and i were both up for reassignment and decided that the best course of action for us to stay together was to go to the airlines airlines were hiring nineteen eighty-nine and He got out about a year. Before i did. He went with delta airlines. They had nepotism laws. So i was. I could not apply to them. They also had a height of restriction for women yet to be five six. And i did not make that. That got rescinded in court because there was no real reason so he went with delta great airline and then i went with united mundane and you got hired in what you're united in june of nineteen eighty and carrie. And what was your first assignment. So i got hired and then immediately went to the training center. There and i became an f. o. Y. flight operations instructor. Honor seven three hundred. And i already reading on the seven thirty seven. And so i went into instructing their thought to ground instruction systems instruction and then Started training people on their for their proficiency checks and then for transition training in the simulator. And while i was there. I also When you're an instructor you fly one trip a month out on the line stay proficient online operations should did you stay at the training center your whole time at united. No i was just there. Nineteen eighty nine to one thousand nine hundred ninety five and Part of what. I did there was. I also worked on a brand new training curriculum called hp up or advanced qualification program and it was the first training course of that kind developed in our country. Roy so it was. It was pretty interesting. I got to work with a lot of interesting people doing a lot of research to come up with this. This new kind of training now. That is the standard for our listeners. That's the standard now. And before that everywhere. It was called appendix. H where you just do one maneuver after another. But now crm is integrated into every aspect of training and and check. Rides are not the same as they were under appendix. h so Did you went to the line to fly for a while. United also yes After i finished at t k in one thousand nine hundred six we moved out to california to be near family. And i flew out of san francisco and los angeles. My husband flew out of los angeles for delta. We live on the coast right between those two cities. So is about a three to four hour. Drive to each place really. We'll what was the name of the city you lived in. I currently live there. It's a royal guerande in san luis obispo county. Well but that's a long drive to work. it is it's i usually Was able to fly with the local airport depending on how well aviation was doing. Some of those flights got cut back. But most of the time i flew to work. When you say you flip you didn't own. You're an airplane and fly to work. Did i flew standby Okay all right so When did at what point did you leave. The united so We have three children in the meantime. And i'd eleven as you know thing about the airlines. It got really hard for my husband and a both fly and have family likely wanted so. I ended up while we we ended up deciding that one of us would leave the airlines and based on a variety of factors. That turned out to be me. I've i actually walked away from the job. I loved a finish raising my family. So how long did you go without flying. I went over ten years so so. What was your next flying job ten years later. My next job was for nasa. So i thought that i was done with flying. You know it's hard to get back in sure. In the meantime i joined the club called the ninety. Nine's which are all pilots mostly aviation and so i would fly along with them on their. You know their cessnas in and just go out and actually have fun flying which was a different idea for me under my flights up to that point at had emission associated with it and to fly with these women You know to just go sightsee or go. Get a hamburger was kind of a new concept for me and i assume you're there'll be a i also yes yes and women military aviators as well. Okay so then. You were not totally rusty when you apply for narrowed for for nasa ten years later not completely i kind of stayed in the game and with my husband flying to we are constantly talking about airplanes and helping them with training and that kind of thing but It's completely serendipitous. How i ended up at nasa. How did that happen. I was flying standby on a flight to atlanta. And at the end of the the flight i was standing up in the aisle getting ready to file off and you know how long that takes and a guy next to me pulled down his suitcase from the overhead and it was a bag that only pilot's carry that purdy need things right up a conversation. I said you're a pilot arts you so we started talking. And i asked him what he did and it turned out. He flew for nasa out of the armstrong research center at edwards air force base and he was He flew sophia and he explained that all to me. And i said you know that sounds like the best job in the entire world and and he said you know we're always looking for people with interesting background so sending your resume and this is where you would apply on usa jobs. See when there's an opening and apply. And so i did that I didn't hear back for a while. I got my medical updated. I did some other things to kind of beef up my application. And then they ended up calling me and Interviewing me and then bringing me out to the armstrong research center for a interview a check ride in a king air. I had never flown anything like that before long Never plan to prop ceo all all of that and to me. It was just enough of an honor to be in that building and talking to these test pilots in nasa pilots. The i was thrilled just to be considered. Have the right background that they were looking for your military time and heavy time in flying triple seven at united and i ended up getting hired. Now the did the guy with the suitcase. Do anything for you like. Did he looked for your resume and hand carried in or anything like that. You know it's a small shop. Everyone knows each other so yes. I am sure he. He brought it in told them that he talked to me. And i'm sure they called people that might ignore me united to kind of vet me a hussy. I'm sure he helped me out by the debt. That's really that is really cool and for listeners. If you if you go back and listen to episode for twenty one i talk about networking and how important it is in finding a job so now can you tell us what sophia stands for. It stands for stratospheric of vettori for infrared astronomy. Okay and which is what does the mission kid of. What are the flights consist of so the flights are typically ten hours in length. We fly at night only. It's a seven forty seven s p. That's been modified to hold a nine foot infrared telescope a garage door kind of thing opens up and this telescope this just open to the air and the reason you want to put an infrared telescope in an airplane or up on a mountain or in space is that the infrared spectrum is absorbed by water vapor. And so you want as dry conditions as you can. And by getting up into the stratosphere we get above ninety nine percent of the earth's atmosphere and then the astronomers murs can get really clear images of what they're looking for so what typical altitudes do fly. We start out above thirty five thousand eight because we don't open the door below that so we start out at thirty six thousand thirty thousand feet and we climb as soon as we can assume as we have the performance were not looking for the best Fuel rate we're looking for getting highest recap because that really helps out that the data that they're able to get So we get through clemson's we can and we try to get to forty three thousand feet so were there for at least four hours and we can't climb as high as forty five thousand feet if the conditions are right so when you're up above forty one are you on oxygen the whole time. One of us is yes. Okay and i can't remember what else. Oh so you communicate. I assume you're constantly communicating with the scientists in the back. yes they have a mission director and We are constantly. We have an open mic with mission director and they will give us precise headings so once we get on the initial heading that they give us after that they will give us one left or one right and we are turning in one degree increments. Well wow so now. Most of the nine understand the most. Your missions are are south of the equator. Well actually we fly out of palmdale for most of the year but in our summer we go down to christchurch deland because it's winter down there and we can take advantage of their long night because we only fly at night and it's really good dry air down there and astronomers get to see things and the southern hemisphere that they can't see in the northern hemisphere like the galactic centre so they love being down there about Six to eight weeks this summer we did not get to go because of covid But we will go as soon as we can. Okay so But when you have missions you're going for six to eight weeks then. Is that right on. The airplane is the the crew members. Weasley split it in half so we'll each one group will go for about three weeks and the other group will then relieved them. Okay get it. That's very neat. So now are you a captain or copilot or do you trade seats for every flight. Or how does that work. We're all checked out as the pilot in command. We changed seats. All the left. Seat pilot is always the one that flies. And so we trade off missions. Okay so these are fairly long missions. Do you have a kitchen and are there flight attendants or do you just serve yourself for. How does that work. Well i think initially planning didn't even have a galley finally petitioned to get one. In by the time i yeah. We have a galley with two refrigerators. Once filled with water. And the other one is for you to bring whatever food you want and put it on a on the airplane so you bring your own food applied and they make hot water and coffee but it irv yourself now. Are there additional pilots of the you can take arrest breakers just two by two pilots and a flight engineer so we do not have have a relief pilot at all. So you're in the seat up there flying. We don't have auto throttle so you're up there. Keep the speed as precisely as you can and the heading For the whole ten hours you typically get out of the seat two or three times to to take a walk but other than that. You're you're in the seat well. Very interesting so How long do you plan to do this. Well i am sixty one. And i can fly until i'm sixty five okay. That same limit And i would like to do that as long as i can. That is neat. Now when will you be able to because we have covid right now. What are they telling you about when you can come back to work well. The airplane has started flying. we've had A few missions I my first flight is gonna be august thirty first. Okay and you start out. You start out in palmdale. Yes yes we take off from palmdale. We land back at honda now. The s p is a very old airplane. Have you had many mechanical issues. You know it's. It's a one off kind of airplane at this point. It's been modified so heavily. Engines are always an issue The not making those engines anymore so making sure we have enough engines that we can trade them out and do repairs. I think is always a challenge. We have a great maintenance crew. That's always Figuring things out making things work. Well then it's such a cool job so now as as we're getting ready to wrap up liz. What advice do you have for someone who's just starting out at aviation today. If you have a dream the first thing is don't let anyone take that dream away from you or tell you that you shouldn't be doing that. But the second thing is you have to take action because a dream without action is just wishful thinking and what i would do is talk to the people at the airport. Join groups the experimental aircraft association. The ninety nine adults love talking to young people who share their interests. And they really want to help you. So take advantage of that and Like in on the scholarship chairman of the ninety nine local ninety nine. We give out scholarships we love giving rides to young people who just want to see what it's like so take advantage of those people that would love to share their interest with you great by the way speaking of scholarships now did the ninety nine gift shala ships two males also only two females. Ours is just two females at this point. There are so many scholarships out there that there's no shortage of places to look absolutely and and so now is your still flying for or did he take early retirement. Or how did that work. He had two years to go but he did end up taking the early retirement. He just found out a few weeks ago that he retires as of september. I well congratulations to him. Thank you he's So now what's on your so you you fly for nasa. There must be something though on your aviation bucket list. Well the fly get that. I just want to tell people the advantage of working really hard to get into a field. That's tough is you end up working with really great people and so at nasa. I'm flying with test pilots. You pilots pilots was huge backgrounds. And you would think that there would be a lot of arrogance associated with that and there's absolutely zero. Two guys are so cool that they're beyond cool and they are kind and generous and just trying to do the most perfect job that can and that's a great work environment that something worth working towards so that said my bucket list until about five years ago was to one day. We're canessa and fly sudden forty seven. But i those were always had been on my bucket list. I ended up accomplishing that. So i i count myself very lucky so now think on. My bucket list is to finally own my own airplane and fly somewhere just for fun. Wow that's a lot of are a lot of our listeners. 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The glory days: Sex, drugs, and rock and roll in Miami and Tampa in the early MLS days

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The glory days: Sex, drugs, and rock and roll in Miami and Tampa in the early MLS days

"You're listening to entrance is driven by continental. You feel enough for that matter. I feel a lot better Bob. Extra telling me see how I find out what's going on in the MLS. Maybe this podcast is influenced me a little bit as well cut loss. Everybody up here. Every single day goes into the office into the laboratory to try to cook up some great stuff for you guys from Brooklyn New York. You are listening to extra time driven by Continental. I'm Andrew Witty in my apartment and bed. Stuy with my partners Soccer David Goss Charlie Davies mattdoyle. What's up boys? Are you feeling today is a big day? It's dearly beloved day. We're going back to the past name. You need to Miami Fusion. Gps USA only one of those three. That I watch live and that is certainly team. You're wrapping Charlie Cheetahs USA. I wish I had my Jersey got the old school logo. I think that one has the gold lettering on the back. That is a classic kit if I've ever seen one super classics got questioned on the Back Automatic Sheba's USA legend and also Mount Rushmore. Member more Mount Rushmore member of etr Wednesday night Trivia as she more the MVP the rest of us are just trying to get on his level and we make a decision right now. I mean we. We haven't asked anybody but I guess we can just assume that like people want to be a part of this two extra-time Trivia Night Wednesdays. On instagram live almost channel seven. Pm Eastern. Who We bring it up is it. Benny is a DAX is in there quite a bit. I know I know I want somebody who's been dedicated to the cause and I feel like maybe and like that showed up with like five minutes left and was like clearly googling ads. There's Google Google machine. It doesn't yeah. I hold that against him. I told him I texted him. I was like I was just throwing just garbage in the chat to try to push you down so they would not notice and see you so bronco because there's nothing that made me more angry on that night than that. I think we go Benny. I'll shoot him a text who's going to be on the other side. Who's the extra time host? It's been a while for you on the guessing front Dave. Sasha question is coming up with with questions I hear this should i. How hard actually. Sasha all weekend have been going. I think that's dumped you. Guys I can take this mcabe energy with Benny back. There today strands strand man. So we'll get those questions from. Sasha get in the comment section. Talk Trash Help Him Gas. Do whatever you want to do. A lot of fun some. Pm Eastern Extra Time Trivia Nights on Wednesday nights on the MLS. Instagram lives. Come over there. Like I don't know six fifty five star sitting on it. Don't Miss Anything. Also I don't I think honors put this in somewhere but it was stated that every Wednesday night Charlie would have a bottle of wine delivered to each of our abode so that we could drink with the game because he's choosing the you know what style of grape and wine we go with so charlie a- as if you need our addresses let me 'cause. I didn't know if you had that already. I missed that list that second. He said that you were the one who propose that if you have my address. Text it to me okay. I got you perfect big money Davies. I like a full bodied red for a mall. Beck's feud over the Merlo Guy GonNa Change My lifetime because I'm definitely not a Merlot Guy Big Saturday Thomas Wrong. In the head coach of the nineteen ninety-six Tampa Bay. Mutiny will be just one second. He was the coach of the year. Rama Roy Lassiter banged in twenty seven. So we'll get some multiple stories from him. There Bryan Johnson done is joining us. He spent about six to eight months and the last year of the Miami fusion their supporters. Shield winning team a team. That had preki Diego Cerna Henderson. Up and down. This team had some legends. He will share some stories with us. And then we'll talk about cheever's USA two guests there but they certainly have some legends in their short end. Glorious sometimes inglorious history as well. Should we get right to a guys? Let's do it. Pleasure not have times wrong on extra time coach doing doing well guys in Fort Lauderdale home away from home for for the longest in the NFL. Or is there a warning in Amsterdam? Florida is is my home in the US. And that's where I'm at right now so to you guys do stuff from home you know. Try to stay active work through this incredible. You know global crisis that that I even in my lifetime. I'm a little older you guys. I've never seen before. So it's it's different. It's dry dead certainly trying. We're trying to distract ourselves here on this show by digging into the past and you've got some special moments we're actually GONNA hit Miami Fusion after this speaking of Fort Lauderdale. Save that conversation for them. This is Tampa Bay mutiny. Time baby and we gotta give that nine hundred ninety six squad some love. You're the coach of the year that year finished atop the Eastern Conference. Dc united the only team. That could take down on that run Tell us how you got this job. What would be the supporters? Shield winning team in ninety six. How did this all happen for you? Thomas I was up after the. Nfl folded most foreign place. Went Back I want to stay because I knew that that sucker eventually would be something that people take too so I thought languages at Berlitz? I was a soccer which is a small store I own. I became a coach in high school level. Nova southeastern which time was another vision to? I rolled into ninety four cups liaison for the Dutch national team. Which is incredible experience? And that's where I connected with. Peru Horatio was the venue director in Orlando during the World Cup and we hit it off and I was one of the candidates in nineteen ninety six to interview for me and I end that as a young coach in his inaugural year leading a group of men a through a season it was overly very very special so I'm incredibly fraut. I was part of that first. Year was said again something that I will remember forever when you're the head coach of this team. When did you find out you have Carlos Valderrama on your team? When do you know that pizzas and you coach him? Well initially Andrew. I didn't one. I know sounds crazy but through my playing experience and my coaching experience player to be touched by. Rene's needles for we still the best coach last century on Roy became very close to inspired me to continue to play and coach so total football with additional ten so to speak didn't fit my philosophy so it's a new you got 'em LPGA Valderrama. Initially I wasn't pleased. Don't get me wrong. I see them in nine. I'd seen that team beat Brazil Argentina in Argentina. Brazil the team. That was the favourite win the World Cup obviously when that lost to the United States and we were leaked operated teams. You know there were twelve thief to Dallas and the baby had no ownership so I lost a battle. Listen Neil within thirty seconds and I'm glad I did by the way because of Carlos Valderrama and being the player that we all know exceptional brilliance. I don't know what other adjectives I can. I can use for for him. And he became the backbone. The architect Fordis- for this team in nineteen ninety six. That was at very special run. Thomas Nineteen Ninety six. You didn't initially want you get them. And you have Roy Lassiter. It's your first professional coaching experience. How were you able to communicate with them and get them to buy into your system? And for the millennials. Right now they don't really get grasped the fact of how gifted out P bay was. Can you tell them exactly what he did so well? That's A. that's a great question. A Charlie I had. I was taught and self taught certain extent. That's democracy is important in a lot. Rumor fueled TILA CIRCUMSTANCE. Hours the boss. Yes discipline's moves very important but engaged with with players in the way we would play in. I had to really take ten players little for days on time to convince them. Carlos Valderrama will be sent. We know that you have to find more extra work because one at ten turns over in transition call us L. P. B. Vulgar absolutely brilliant like a chess. Mussa ahead of I played with Croix special players and he's in the category of seeing things. Charlie that order place didn't see so for me became very important early on to focus on the side of the ball and working patterns of play that I learned through troy and and meet at six patterns of play while we were building out the back that we use l. p. devulder eventually as the architect to spring road. Lassiter STRAIGHT A. Steve rolston exterior walls. And nobody knew about Steve. He became the rookie of the year. More system anybody else over overtime oviously and for me to get all these national same page in questions of roulston lassiter mocking bus kiss was behind Oviously Carlos Valderrama and Klay Coin and frank yellow. I understood how to build a team through an axis and have one special player on the tech side of the ball with fishing and more greatest passers in game ever Carlos. Valderrama just have to make sure that Roy Lassiter becky degrees you played underneath Roy. Lassiter were able to Reagan understands. What vulgar arm strength and weaknesses worth and it's strange. Were one touch passing and after three or four weeks in preseason doom patterns we knew exactly that level. But we're talking Charlie to make sure the wasn't a a forward pass centrally vertically Roy Lassiter. Done Steve was on. It was level with cheat a little bit because it didn't want to get Roulston and get behind the through ball on for Roy. Last or the third option. Right right side was fine. Torrisi one touch cars. Vulgar raw was very brilliant eluding people. We could face a field and as I said again struggled with his shoelaces or all inside of the foot with position that we're lasted just basically the tapping most of these goals. That were broken till what three years ago? Maybe two years ago Martinez of over Lanta so going forward with special but don't forget the Klay Coin with the World. Don't forget you know. What are we talking about route? Mount Rushmore talking expert. Yeah we thought about birth. The Birth of Steve Ralston the Growth Klay coin men. The Captain Agai rental Mexico and became the captain of Hummus which is unbelievable for yanked through obviously the development of Roy Lassiter and the preservation of Mr Mr LBJ Valderrama those four basically foundations that represented oviously those presidents low. Saying that. Louis Clark's on their break up in Las Vegas tune. Chief chief red cloud going crazy horse. Frankie hated Buffalo. Bill Cody see list on what team eight guys represent east and the All Star game and I'm so proud that these guys were able to do what they that year and put. Mls someone met with attractive football with highs sport team in in in mls and that was just part of my thinking and philosophy were narrowly straight from. I wanted to talk about that though. Because number one scoring team topping the east you mentioned lassiter's record the quality. How much did you enjoy watching that team? Play how much of that experience over that year because kind of came out of nowhere that now you have a league and all of a sudden. This team's firing all cylinders. How much did you enjoy being a part of that year? Special and after a while similar to a transition from New England to Washington. Dc DC United Championship in ninety nine. If it ain't broke don't fix it. What's the first thing that grew Serena told me and I wrote the ball out the team? Happy Hungry and yes. We had rules and regulation. I'm very mature team. Mentioned much guys. Mark Dougherty Frank. Yellow play climbed my guest l. Our Royal Risi originally Frankie Hejduk and Stevie you also I've been keenly Steve Pittman wise on the left side. An older more experienced with a few young players. that that self motivated it's that sell Governed and worse a team that want to showcase their talents. I tweet certain theme said Yes. We work to date practice on on things that I could control data patrol when that Saturday came around and the ball rolled out. I knew we done our jobs. I basically set back in Dr Sneak cigarettes and enjoy. Enjoy the right. Which is why I you Thomas Ahead you as a head coach for the under twenty national team. Klay Cohen was your assistant. So there were some epic stories there but take me back to ninety six. But what was it like traveling on the road with an L. P. N? Roy Lassiter? What are the? What are those stories like? Bring it bring it to light. Well Interesting Group. A group that that I find out halfway through season we have lunch at monster. That was an appearance. This book was very very tight. Charlie this group after the game in Sunday's we'd go through the house when a pool which I did not feel halfway through season and would get hammered. Basically Party part. They played hearts. Charlie I get alert freedom. Eventually you hang yourself or you don't ukases stepping but overall was a fun experience. It was an experience of a group of players. That didn't fear going anywhere. I remember Rosenthal eight thousand people doubleheader Mexico. Us Elliott Galaxy versus versus versus. Ten million. And guys before Games would start doing you know if we spore because we will store and we my score more than one. What do we do so we got the airplane but royal acid. It goes all the rob behind musty musketeers. They'll jointed they had done again. They they party tards. You might interpret anyway you one year exception of Varma once ten thousand dollars and I've McKinley. Two thousand dollars was that was the difference in their contracts. A phone on fear they're gonNA get deduct like bunker sampled their their earnings Outside of that Frankie hated marrying a stripper. Who was the biggest personality on the team? Frankie who was the guy that you were like the wild card here. I have no idea what's going to happen but he's also vastly vastly entertaining. Your ride. Mckinley orients yet played climate than Charlie just mentioned before practice. Let's roll boys does? That's what it was. It was rock and roll band going on the roads. Some groupies reminding ninety six and we all knew but whenever we enjoy the experience as best as we we could most form players enjoy being here at Galway Kyong Or George Best Failing Beckenbauer the first thing they say the end you know nobody really recognizes us so these guys were able to to do certain things then which destroyed. They couldn't get away with with with now. But but I say McKinley and fragrant beat from play. Newsy craziest music you know in in the locker room to being extremely funny which is just great to go through tough times those are the guys like Klay Army. Let's dig deep. Let's go to Frank. Hey you album. W You know. Let's his way so I had this very unique glecting group of guys that just bought into doing things right. That's that's great feudal coach when a group basically guides themselves it's a tribute to the personalities and professionalism at the end of the day that this group display. I WanNa know more about quick claim on because I came in a little late. I didn't really know him as a player but when I went around and I talk to people about friends since the team the guys that they hate playing against clemens there the guys have personality. Kumons there tell us about him the place he had on the team who he was and just people that may remember. History came to it late. Help them appreciate the sort of Legend of eras pass. And that's a great question because true I didn't know much about play. Coined conceptually started the first game in the ninety four World Cup did not start thereafter that from the PLA. Bill became after that the right fullback rifle that. Us National Team in ninety four again. And then I did some research. This guy went to Mexico at a fairly your age and that time we didn't have professional pool. Here's a lot of these guys at Eater. Stay here and play Semipro. In the eighty s L. River might be the crime and went to Mexico as bring though it looks like bring don't believe in four years to captain the biggest institutions Mexico. Which was us and I said if he can do that. He's got certain actual leadership skills that I need is. That shouldn't nasty physical attributes that you can use back then the rules straight so yes. He was even forced. And yes. I also be very keenly aware that I needed a translator with LP Bolivar early on place. Both Spanish English in buskens driven too much investors for playing burn. Also got two guys in the team that are fluent in both languages which really helped the transition for l. p. around greatly and as I said again these guys were were instrumental for me to get tax debate in very quick way in terms of translation on the field either during games. That would take a whistle. That most guys recognized. Look at me or blends at me and different whistles for everybody this is it was play. Koi Eight thousand save even. That's a lot of a safe. My folk reports by the way was a good way. You're right. They became very important member in the top three. I would say that Thi in that particular year. How disappointing was it for you? Thomas to have the season end the way it did because this thing was rolling that hurts and it still works But give credit to Bruce Arena. Got Better I didn't make state status quo. I chanced wanted to James. Bet begun reason which is a little better. But I need one more links somewhere and I didn't pursue it aggressively enough to make the team better because we we were doing the regular season. But you know one or two games Dc with additional Heine Merano with additional Tong beside me when you dish of two three or four important. Plays Rougerie to broaden through the middle late in that season. Make these United's champions and correctly so on the day they over two legs were more Connie So where would you have upgraded exactly if you could make one change and that twenty nine hundred sixteen? Where were you making that addition troll ably I need the burden Roy Lassiter's Or almost every game was which I need somebody else you're off. I had some players on the bench. Nelson Barks make a little bit of difference. A play didn't start wise and wife that left side change again but I needed somebody else's status up next to Roy Lassiter to take the burden of him a little bit because after a while route smart enough yet Garza Melissa and rich Williams Really Making Art Vulgar Rama. We couldn't get Warren tracking three or four games. I knew I needed either. Somebody else next to Roy. And the recent peppy bay his limitations with a little older and while the traveling Stash Charlie. I needed. Somebody like you. To review is in transition the way moving forward to three passes at the most in order to get your eight yard buffs and bank normally. It became part of the bill up just in the legs to get there anymore. Don't extend Roulston. It was so hard fried McKinley. Evan Wise and worldly natural packers to make us run into boxes well so we came a little bit easier to defend for teams finally figured out how to play. Us and bigger. Maybe your station looked hyped Field that can give something in the air underground. The singer Brian McBride type kind of player helped us or another one. That would be explosive enough to get there. While bullish traveling faster the most of our players are basically the details so vivid in your mind twenty five years later Thomas last one will let you go. Okay what do you? What do you hope people remember about this ninety six about the Tampa Bay mutiny? In General Sex Drugs and rock and roll baby half perfect perfect ending. Time around in the nineteen ninety-six coach of the year the mutiny the Supporters Shield winners and. I got of lever. Put Him in our extra time. Greatest team of all time bracket Thomas. Thank you so much time and stay safe. We'll be seeing you soon. All right to your piece starbuck mark here my man Oh man. What does this shirt that is by the way? We're not as EPIC SAGA TIME IN. Always see that was a trip. That was a trip down. Memory Lane Hunt Charlie drugs sex rock and roll that is typically pay mutiny of the early and mid nineties. There's literally ask Thomas Wrong and to describe anything and he would say drugs sexton anything you take sex book drugs rock and Roll Baby. That's the best science caused by the way classics Remix. If you WanNa see that ninety six unique team in action on Wednesday four PM Eastern. I'M GONNA host this thing we've got miles. Joseph Tab Ramos Giovanni Salvadore say Metrostars Mutiny Youtube and facebook. Mls both of those tune in watch the game. I'm pretty sure a lot of people that listen to the show never saw this team play including myself live so let's do it all together. Another reminder for you of course you're listening to extra time. Mondays Thursdays but on Tuesdays. The call up is out. Zurich Valentin in Jeff at now are on the show this weekend at seven PM Eastern and it must kick around is also every single day at noon on twitter Tuesday Kevin Again Dan Goggin of that Atlanta united broadcast team. Will let are Mount Rushmore? Here for the mutiny. Peba Carlos Valderrama in stone. Roy Lassiter in stone singer Olsen would be but he can't be there because we put them on New England's modern aloe three are automatic. Give the case for Mamadad yellow. You doyle come on go back and forth here remind people. He was an endless also. Mbp back in the day when all star was awesome west and he was a beast. Used you talking about a big tank. Twenty six goals and four assists. That's the I mean six goals. I mean that's the case. That's the case for Mamad. Yellow is he was a fifty two point team. Or was it. Like it wasn't a supporter. She'll caliber team but they weren't far off of it and he produced he produced the best eleven borderline. Mvp level in the. Here's the thing up until last question a couple years ago there's only one person in MLS history with twenty or more assists indices. It was Carlos Valderrama and it was to the year. Two Thousand Twenty six assists and that was the mama duty aloe gear those two guys like they just scored every time every every time. Valderrama was on the ball in midfield. It felt like the L. was gonna be you know sixty yards away minute putting the ball in the back of the net. There's just how it works at the WHO's the fourth for you if we have lassiter and Mama Doodo who is fourth. Because we can't have Roulston in here would be it pretty pretty easily very easily. Leads in a silly. It's only two options belt around the woods in assists. All Time Ralston. Second sorry continue. I just I honestly just fell No disrespected Martine Vasquez. But with Roy Moore was like he gave that early team that ninety sixteen which I think we all agree is going to be the best Tampa Bay team gave that team. It's personality in ways. That key does that mean. I think it's clay. I go I go all day and Martine Vasquez played the most minutes. They are twenty seven hundred minutes with five goals and six assists and he was an important player especially with the as Thomas Wrong in talked about his his ability to help L. P. Bay understand what what he wanted Donald Trump but klay commented the same thing and he was a beast. I had him for an assistant coach. I know exactly how it was. Just one of those. Those guys was no-nonsense you don't WanNa mess with him. So Klay Coin Definitely deserves a thing. You needed a you needed to have. Both of those guys with Ebay was gonna be in midfield running everything which he was you needed to have that defensive midfielder like Martine who would do all the dirty work all defensive Up around him but you needed that hard man on the back line. Who was who was GONNA set a tone anytime? Somebody was breaking and for that Tampa team. It works like they. They were really really good. Except it's not modern soccer. You can watch. Gangs should watch this game on Wednesday. It looks nothing like modern soccer and the story throughout Nineteen ninety-six was able to smash anyone but then when they came up against these united team. Who Remember these struggled most of that year but whenever they came up to the F. D. C. team who play modern soccer. Dc Rip them apart and then the playoffs it was supposed to be the big battle between DC IN TAMPA BAY IN DC. Just absolutely murder. It was brutal but it's fun. It'll be fun to watch. It should watch this game on different. It's just a different game from what we see these days. Just as excited to see the metrostars in that era as well. I think he's in done. I don't WanNa be the one to tell them. I don't WanNa be the one that he reaches out to see that he's not on this. Mount Rushmore is there. He is there all right. Let's do Miami Fusion Next Four Glorious Years at Lockhart Stadium Brian Dunne set. Those are man to help. Take us through it all right. Let's talk some Miami Fusion doing it with a guy who was a second belong enough to get the feel of a supporter. Shield winning team in south Florida. Brian Johnson from Siriusxm from our cell broadcast from. I don't know Donnie. Basically anywhere I turn my eyes in major league soccer. How you doing? I'm good. I'm good wherever I can continue the swindle as well by the way I now new we're wearing jerseys. I would've throw in a Miami Fusion Jersey on. Yeah one well I mean you have time school time time to go get it held on. Hold on you have a long sleeping bear Miami fusion go get it. No explain why you have a long-sleeve Miami cane so he didn't trae no because I'm one of those guys that I loved wearing long sleeves like it doesn't matter how hot it was. It was one of those where like when you could pull your sleeves down. Hold them at the bottom of your hands. There is something like I'd S- game like a crush. Somebody like I'M GONNA win my head. I'M GONNA go up like I'M GONNA get my first confident couple of touches. I'm GonNa hit a sixty yard diagonal. It was something like I never felt like. I had a short sleeve on Great shirts tucked in kind of Chunky. Not really feeling this. Look but like the long sleeves. I was like yeah game on. I'm ready to play so I've been watching a documentary about the New Zealand. All blacks they do the Hawker pre-game to get jacked. Brian looks like a fifth grader. Who DOESN'T WANNA be there? That's going did you ever? Did you ever cut the thumb hole? You know what I'm talking about and you don't have to hold it down because there's a lot of work but also the guy so columbus crew. I don't know if you'll remember this. This is like ride around two thousand to two thousand three. Remember when Adidas Kinda did like the Mesh Underside and they were like breathable? Except when you pull the Jersey over it was like this. Second Layer of assure. Yes I just flip it inside out and I would cut the layer out inside So next thing you know like it was myself and McBride and I think who else did it. Somebody else did it. Maybe maybe Frankie but then all of a sudden like McBride time. He wore it like somebody raked him and like he had this huge tear because Mesh tearaway and so I was like well. I'm not ripped like that guy so I'm gonNA stop cutting this inside out because I'm not gonNA look like that if my way so but always long sleeves. I always want Iraq long sleeves this because you brought it up speaking of inside. I've always thought of this and I never have actually asked a professional soccer player. This question because when you were a kid used to get the pro soccer shorts with the little see the thing inside like kind of got. Every time I jersey. You wore that came with it shorts. So Charlie guarantee you. Charlie was a sliders guy especially those big old thighs because you have to get like extra large sliders with like a mini skinny waist. So as dies infinite. Be On the other hand I'd wear banana hammocks I'd wear like the like the tidy. Whitey's when they weren't tidy Whitey. They were like maybe you could wear about to the beach. You could like Christopher Sullivan later. You can be like. Hey guys yeah I was one of those guys also by saying this and here's a great mental picture. I walk around with my Shin Guards and my socks on and my boots on and I just put a leg up. Hey what's up Charlie? How are you man? How's how's how's it? This work perfectly. Ian Bishop Minutes Jimmy. Rooney. I've in McKinley this house of horrors when it came to it. So let's just jump right into this thing by the way when I bought shorts from the MLS like sample sale. Even recently a couple of years ago they still all came with Mesh under short the AD to cut out. I always talk fusion now. We talked to Preki. It was a great team as a supporter. Shield winning team. You got there and what April you said before we got here told me this about how you got to Miami. And then we'll dig into this one. So I I made up with Fernando Clavijo afterwards Had A ton of respect for him before and after during when he was the head coach at the New England revolution. We didn't always see eye to eye. And it kind of came to a head right when I was about to leave for the Olympics in two thousand and there was this moment where he went on. Remember the UNIVISION. Two o'clock kick-off Games on Sunday. Like big Big Monster Games of the weekend. He said something to the effect of like Bryan doesn't care about the New England revolution. He only cares about the national team. And for me that was kind of the moment whereas like you know what like? I don't want to be here anymore. Obviously you don't think highly enough of me as a human being much less player so let us go our separate ways. But he was right right. I mean he wasn't wrong. I've started going to the Olympics was pretty important. I felt it was a shot that didn't need to be taken at that moment. So fast forward. We go through the first couple of games this season. I'm starting all of a sudden. I get benched. Finally I revisit. The idea of being traded every day literally everyday after practice. I would go get something to eat. I would drive to the New England. Revolution offices. I've knock on the door and I'd be like. Hey Fernando like obviously. This isn't working like literally every single. This isn't working like I'd like to be traded and Fernando which is looking but I the thing that it is nobody wants you literally every day and so is this Tony it was like this dance and pony show. Like I'd WANNA leave. He would say nobody wants me all right cool and I'd walk out literally everyday so finally I get traded for Jay heaps. It's like early April. I'm downtown in Boston. I'm shopping. I get the phone call. You've been traded. You gotTA leave tonight. And I'm like jumping for joy. Get down there and raise like Brian. I've been trying to get you for the last year. The half meeting for not your agent and all this. You're doing the LEGWORK. Like shouldn't there be somebody WHO's like calling other. Gm's do you want Bryan because Fernando Calvillo is claiming the thing is nobody wants him but you know that's that's just a little touchy subject because that is yes. I did have an agent. A very prominent agent at the time. And yes I did feel as though he was not getting this deal over the line but yeah listening worked out and I was seem so simple yet. It's very trade me. You're not playing me. Let's do this tells on on? Tell me what you walked in to that Miami team because that's a one year PRAC- experiment it's Dego Cernan's in that team chronic tyrel Marshall Carlos you most like Kyle Young Beckerman. Who's not playing all for them? Interested in for a year jumped in. It was a weird team. It was so I get down there and John. Trask is the assistant coach. Eric Eichmann is the assistant coach. Ray Hudson's the coach but like I walk in Lonzo. Alexandria it's Nikki Raimondo. It's Kyle Beckerman. Who had just done his ankle so he was out for like six months. And then you look at that back line Carlos Mosa a Pablo Mastroeni Let's see tyrone Marshall Ivan McKinley. That's just the competition for the backline spot in the midfield yet on the left. You had Chris Henderson on the right. You had Ian Bishop and Jimmy Rooney Central He had Diego CERNA. Nutjob London death psychopath a psychopath. I've played with love him to death. DidN'T HAVE AC TOLBERT. Tore tore both. Acl's refused to have surgery was like the only guy I've ever met that was playing professional soccer and killing people without ACL's Pineda Cohn who was like this hundred thirty pound wet little streaky striker. That could cut people apart It was unbelievable team on and off the field unbelievable players. I'm still kind of shocked at the situation when you're training you're seeing this this team and you go into the locker room. Who's WHO's the guy that you're like striking up conversations with WHO's like walking you through. This is how we play this. These other expectations in the locker room and on the field. So I would say that the and it's funny we talk. Just talk to Jimmy Rooney ambitious and I've McKinley in the last two weeks and the stories. Oh my God thank God. There was no social media. Let him out. Thank thank God. There was no social media because the lake. I think everyone knows back then. In two thousand one. It's a different time so the culture was very British very very European so the training sessions are all kind of walk you through what it looked like first off. We had a hooters. Seventy five percent off literal like credit card and it was a customized that had our names on it yeah so you had sponsored by Budweiser and like hooters was like your afternoon lunch spark. We didn't cover alcohol only food by the way you can. Oddly eat very healthy at hooters. Once you kind of I know I know but you can figure it. Out after bigger out KERRIGAN'S CHICKEN SANDWICH ON SMOTHERING. You can actually eat somewhat healthy but the big Florida thing won't debate. I'm thinking of it in positive terms. Yeah when you when you walk in that locker room it was. There was a standard set. You had kind of the Irish Jimmy Rooney Long Island rough riders. Okay we show up to work lunch pail in hand like we do the business. You had ambitious. Who's like everything's like fun and like laughing and jokes and all of a sudden the blows and it's like a scissor tackle comes in from our. You Got Ivan McKinley. Who's kind of running around warming up like oops guys? I think I'm GonNa pull my pants you know. He's on the corner in the bushes. Like catching up to a sprinting out. Because he can make it to the bathroom in time because it was like a three hundred yard walk to the soccer field. Then you had like ray kind of just joking and laughing on the sideline but then you had John. Trask is like the WIG master. Like he was like go. You train but I kind of tried to tell these stories so much fun. But like when the whistle blew it was probably the most competitive environment I'd ever been in. I mean everybody knew like once you're on the field like you gave it two hours hour and a half two hours solid work and then for the rest of the day you were like when we never went home. We with the boys like we went to go eat. And then where at the hub? And it was like this real cultural bonding experience of guys. Who on and off the field became this? Kinda like combined Brotherhood of miscreants deviants that jives with what he was telling us. We had him last week talking about Kansas City days and his indoor days and everything else and he was like look the best team. We asked him as a two thousand wizards is it. Two thousand one is it. Maybe later on in your wizards time and he said No. It's two thousand one fusion. That's the best team I've been on but there are some things that maybe were disappointing. Him He said. I wish there was a little. What was it did you remember? It was a little bit more self control a little bit more professional like that. Let's say Miami. Yeah Miami but I would also say this is the best about Preki. Preki demanded the ball every single time. And I remember one time I was playing behind him Kind of on the on the left side And I- bypassed him. He's checking to the ball and he's like body give me the ball man and I played past him like into Diego certain his feet and got into this moment whereas like is you. Play me the ball every time and I was like well. I'M NOT GONNA play it to you if I don't need to play to you for the plays on past you. I'm GonNa Break The you know. Whatever and afterwards ray walks over he goes but I need you right but like that's pragman more like he's right it's IMPRAC human bomb was like okay. He's right like he's you know. Preki going yoga or getting massages. All of a sudden like a truck rolls up in the back opens up. And it's like brand new suits for everybody like. Preki figured out a way to become a part of this group even though maybe like the culture that he's talking about that self restraint wasn't as professional of an environment that he was maybe looking for at that stage of his. Nobody can be practically after he was telling us about. Just how many games? He played how many years he played situations he was in. But I'm curious who was the quote Unquote Alpha in the group. Who was like the guy on top? That wasn't Preki was at CERNA. Was it somebody else who sort of was a leader in a everybody respects? This person knows it's them since there. Yeah it was the ambitious and Jimmy. Rooney. I think combined those two Because bish was obviously coming from the premier league and having played for Man City and having played for West Ham he he kind of had the stature And he demanded the ball and it was like a respect thing in the training sessions again stuck in but I would say Jimmy Rooney. When he spoke everybody listened to Rooney like he would have fun but he was so demanding that there was like an accountability within the work. He chose his words wisely. You know he could bust chops. He can banter but when he was pissed all of a sudden it wasn't like Roddy raw was like all right. Let's go and all of a sudden you're like yeah man like you kind of found yourself like the setup like okay. Let's go like all right time to play so in your mind. Jim Rooney has to be has to be on the Mount Rushmore fusion. No doubt no doubt no doubt. That's where I knew. My List was perfect. I can learn question because it's a technicality. There's no managers they can be on Mount Rushmore. Or no no manager. There's an observation deck for the manager. Ray Hudson given the given the fact that he goes when the shield and and you know. This is the best team infusion history only four years anyway. He's got to be the head coach. Want we just take this opportunity to get the best Hudson story you have. I mean the man is a car we know him more and these days housing. That's as a as a broadcaster but he was so much more than that. What was he like coach? Clive Charles with best managers. I've ever played for hands down. There's an all due respect everybody else. I'm just saying for for Ray. I never had one of those coaches in my professional career. I never had. I was never like the Richie Williams to like a bruce arena or like Jesse Marsch to our Chris. Armas were that guy. Yeah like I was never. I never had that coach where it was just security like you knew no matter what like year or year. Calms Year Goes. It doesn't matter like he's still like I'm still gonNA play. I finally felt like I had that with Ray. And then all of a sudden we get contracted and he's gone So I would just say from from a standard like the way he makes. You felt like a tactical acumen. There was just something special about ray and I still don't think he gets the credit he deserves because as a manager and a tactician. I think he matched that very well and John. Trask was a big part of that as well Ray. There's so many stories on the field off the field. I you know I it's just Kinda. Here's my favorite one on the field because tyrone marshals out here Salt Lake and I just I still kind of like I'll yell at tyrone. The same thing Ray said so all of a sudden we're playing and we're lockhart and I just hear tyrone. I kind of like I know where it's coming from and I look over and raise like pulling his hair out doc from active and I look over and I'm like tea and he goes. I'm not looking you have to look at. Nc looks over and raise road. Love your man but I have been that to me was just like Ray in the moment like I can't even remember like we we've been racking our brains trying to figure out what he was yelling about but I just remember at that moment. Shows gone ballistic over something tyrone did. And that's just like you know walking in the Locker Room pre-game chat it said like F- it said the word it said F off Ethem Ethanol Ethyl FM. So did he verbiage as as a coach that he does broadcaster. So it's the same verbiage with a little bit more colorful swear involved but like the things that he would say to you out there like I came off. One game was one of my first Games. He he he pulled me aside. He's like you and like the Statue of Liberty out there and I'm like I've never been compared to the statue of a good thing like with. Its right I mean everything that he his his mind works in a different lower LE- a different layer of the world. And it's just like he'll say these things and you're just like okay. How what is like thought provoking? I have a real question with Alex. Pineda CICCONE can how he was. Mvp to how good was he because it's almost like he dropped off the face of earth. You don't hear about him you don't no one knows exactly what what made him so good or dangerous within the lead that during that time so paint a picture for us so I would say. He was part of a puzzle. He was part of this really dynamic puzzle so again when you think about the back line you think about. I've McKinley Tyrone Marshall Pablo Mastroeni Carla. Shimosaka myself just kind of a part of back line in the midfield ambitious and Jimmy Rooney just sat they protected so he played a three-man back line. We played these two kind of sitting in protecting in front. You had Preki on one side. Dish was like a playmaker but still we get stuck in defensively. You had Henault Chris Anderson flying up and down the wing and then up top. You had Diego Serrano who just a bull in China shop and then you had pineda chicken the thing about Panetta chicken like he was honestly like hundred thirty pounds hundred forty pounds but he had these moves like these little. These little like craft type moves but they weren't just cry types. He could like literally spin his leg around and chop the ball behind his plant foot and go the different direction and San guys flying by like top gun. Pr He was like combining left foot right foot inside the foot outside the foot so so technically proficient and he would wanNA combine but at the same time powerful shot with both feet he could hit with the inside of his feet both feet like kinda balls around and he was. It was almost as if he hid in a way. Because you had pray because you had fish but like I still think he's up on that Mount Rushmore if you're talking about the best fusion players ever because to be named to win all those individual wards within the collective of what that team was I he was valued I think by the players that played against him but for a fan base now. I don't think they realized like how like how integral part he really was within the collective of the success of that team. I mean if you look at his career and you kind of go through. It's quick stops. It's thirty games. Forty Games Games in one season with Miami where he just blew up. We got a little taste from you. There of Diego Serna Bullet China shop plan on no. Acl's we just rewind to playing on no ACL's what what does that even mean like. How does that work he he he alleges and I've never seen the medical work. He alleges that he blew out both of his knees in Columbia and that instead of having surgery he didn't believe in the surgery he would just strengthen the muscles and tendons around the AC L. So if you saw him every single day like we had this really terrible like ghost weight room but it was like the old like metal plates and like the Creek Creaky Bench and all that stuff he was in there every day doing like Quad Lifts Quad Lifts Quad Squad lists hamstring girls. Hamstring grow. And so I I mean I thought he was full of it half the time but I didn't I kind of believed him based on his workout routine. Because I mean he just had monster legs monster legs and the best part about Diego was you could tell. He wasn't the sharpest knife but he was so much fun to be around any was able in China Shop. It was elbows. It was arms. It was hips. He would laugh. You A giggle. He would wind you up. It was all about having off the field. But when he was on the field he was all business But there were. There were multiple occasions where he would roll up and kind of his little. Bmw X. Five and he would be like okay full night out had a good time and there be straight to training. And there'd be other times like where's Diego and we'd be like Columbia. What do you mean? Diego's in Columbia all right. Well the Columbia. I guess we'll be back for the game. So that was where he's that's explosive pace explosive pace. Yeah he was he was playing today. I'm trying to think who I could like. An like an him to he he would. He kind of was the size of like a High Marino but he had the power of Ahmadu Bello or an L. Tuncay Hurtado. He was kind of in between that type of player December but he S- turned on the stern turn or like Woody Harris like spinning people. He had that in his back pocket. He I mean he was such a well rounded player but there were shenanigans with him. And you kind of because he was so much fun to be around you so good race figured out how to kind of manage the individual shenanigans within the collective. Because we're all we're all deviance it some some way shape or form. So let's get into that you've mentioned the pub. You've mentioned nightclubs Columbia. Everything that's gone into it. Miami fusion in Miami players going out the night before games. Always the VIBE. What was the experience as team wasn't required to be a part of the group did manage the nights out so I'll give you a couple stories that always I always. Kinda laugh with ray about in talking with an and Jimmy. You know like you remember stories but like when you hear other people tell the same story. It's like Oh yeah full do too and it began eric. You needed that little bit of help exactly. So we flew up. It was like we're gonNA play on a Saturday night in New York New Jersey and we flew up like a Thursday morning and Ray. We're not like going into Jersey. We're going into New York and raised like I got a surprise for you guys so we go to Central Park and a lot of the guys hadn't been to central park before because when you go to play New York you're usually out New Jersey so we get on the bus raise like bring your watches. Bring your phones bring your wallets? Leave your bags okay. Cool a little walk around or whatever we go into the park. We're like twenty minutes in the park. And Ray goes all right a little bit of a stretch so we all like touch your toes. Everyone's touch their toes. Everybody stand up straight everybody. Put your arms up and you're done. I don't WanNa see any of you back in the hotel before two. Am and so. That means Jimmy Rooney ambitious. I've McKinley Pablo Mastroeni myself. Nikki Raimondo Lonzo Lavinia. We all kind of look at each other like. Oh Okay and it's like raise. I go see the sights and Ian Bishop to this day will say the only sites I saw were whatever was out the window of the pub that we were sitting in because we all straight to the pub and we played quarters. We I mean we were out until like one thirty in the morning. Like bundling back into cabs getting back into the hotel and it was like unless you had an injury like that was really the only time you're allowed back at the hotel because the idea was to build this like brotherhood. This culture Because we were from all walk all walks of life. I mean you had American you had Jamaican you had Palestine you had English. You had Irish Colombian you had Honduran. You had Preki his own. Little was the result on the weekend. Now we want we want. There's also a time where you get done with the game. The bus would literally pull into like a liquor store and there would be like beers coming out and everyone would have a beer and we'd be going back to the hotel and it would be a game called Moose cheers with cheers with your left. You drink with your right and if you do the opposite if somebody goes like Moose you had to like Chug your beer and so it was like all these like I i. It sounds so crazy now it sounds like a bunch of drunkards and not focus about soccer but we were runaway. We were runaway in the Eastern Conference before September. Eleventh happened And even then I mean that was at. That's a big part of the story in two thousand one The playoffs where I felt like we had red cards or second yellows every single game about the whispers of being contracted And then ultimately kind of the contraction at the end of the year. Where all of a sudden I went in to go get my paycheck and Doug Hamilton Array Hudson. They're like well. Here's your last paycheck from here. You're still going to get paid. But we don't know what's going to happen. We just know that the contraction is happening. How did it happen that fast? Did you guys mode throughout the year that this was going to come or was it like? Hey we're building something special where we won the shield play offs isn't workout but look seems going to be back together. We have the core and then Scott. Yeah we it was one of those where we were so. Good that we knew the whispers. Right we'd heard the whispers was going to be. Kansas City wasn't going to be Dallas. Was it going to be Tampa was going to be us? Wasn't going to be all of us. Was it going to be just one of us was going to be a few of us? We kinda knew the Ken Horowitz. The joke was inside. The the the locker room was our trainer. I'm eras like I don't use too many ice bags or hey. Don't use too many rolls of tape. Today Ken. Horowitz is going to pissed off and it was like champagne life on a beer budget. It was like I own. Mls team but I don't really have the money to to make it work. Yeah we want to be in Miami but really in Fort Lauderdale like we kind of knew all that there was conversations at all times but it was also one of those like if we win. Mls Cup there's no way that they can contract us if we make it to an MLS Cup final. There's no way right. And so we just start. Blasting people in the playoffs just blasting people We blasted Kansas City in Kansas City. You know we felt like all we needed was a result at home against San Jose but in the midst of this. It's like Red card second yellow. I am bishops not available. You know Pablo's not available and it started to feel like the conspiracy. Theory was in our locker room. Well they don't want us to win. Let's let's still figure out you know it's going to be this egregious call against us will screw it. Let's still based on scoring goals. Let's just win. And then when we fell short in the dying moments that game against San Jose after ambitious the red card biscuits the red card for a tackle. He didn't even touch anybody. What I mean yellow at worst I mean Red card and takes his Jersey off throws it like at the REF. That's how like furious. He was and I just remember being in the locker afterwards missing out on a chance to go to Columbus to play the galaxy in the final and all of us kind of like I guess they got what they wanted right now makes it easy for the fusion to be contract. Didn't listen now I look back. And it's all conspiracy theory but in the moment that's how we kind of like galvanize the bond the player of if everybody's against US let's make it impossible for them to kind of be worse case scenario but yeah after the season we. We rolled back into the training facility. And all of a sudden it was like yeah were gone. We don't know what's going to happen. We think you're going to go into some type of supplemental draft and Who knows and then everyone ray went to DC DOUG? Hamilton went to the La Galaxy in the players. Kinda started breaking apart and some some thrived with new teams others. Like you were talking about Pineda ciccone or Diego Serna others ended up on teams where maybe for a year or two it worked and all of a sudden you know. Those are the last couple of games overplayed nonetheless. We're doing extra times. Greatest team of all time bracket and we have auto qualifiers the best team from all twenty four outside the tune expansion teams this year. We have large events. I feel like right now. We can just make the decision that the two thousand and one Miami fusion because they came up Short A. Maybe a sketchy call. I'm bishop whatever it might be. Let's get them into that bracket we need to have a little bit of using under there. We're talking Rush morts would we have so far we have we took going was bishop also head not. I think I'm GONNA throw a wild card in a wildcard because on and off the field. I think he's one of those guys that deserves legend status. I got a nominate either McKinley. I have to because I know guys like Rooney Ambition Raimondo and Yom Osa and even Pablo Mastroeni Preki. I mean all these guys deserve it. There's no doubt but the legendary status of Ivan McKinley. Both on and off the field. I think overshadows what a great player he was. Because that left foot he still has one of the best left. Pags that I've ever seen in major league soccer but it's kind of the the toughness. The tackles the elbows on Paul Calgary or miles Joseph. That kind of hang in the air of is a dirty player. I've McKinley Legend status off the field. I think comes into play into this conversation as well. Well that's that's part of it. Yeah but complete package I gotta I gotTA nominate. He probably won't make it. But I got a nominee. I've McKinley in this. Because if you WANNA legendary night out the ambitious Jimmy Rooney Ivan. Mckinley are the coattails that you WANNA follow around town four so I would say I I would go with Alex. Pineda Chaconne nineteen goals four assists number one in a four year. Run for a team. You gotta be on their number one. I'm GonNa go Jimmy Rooney. The captain the heart and soul of that team to I'M GONNA put Ivan McKinley in this group. I have to now. Here's where I'm at Ian Bishop or is it Diego Sir. It's gotTA BE CERNA though. Doesn't it just for Longevity Sake? I mean bishop was there. He was there for one year right or like you want to and he was so good. I get it but one hundred games for goalscorer. I would go sir. I would go CERNA and I hate to do this to punish Mahalick. I'M GONNA GO. Sir For one reason and one reason alone. I can remember playing one of those Sunday univision games with the New England Revolution Walter Zangas behind me Dan. Callahan's Jimmy is on the left so as college men. I'm unlike the left Centreback Mahalick. Somehow the ball gets played over the top. And we're chasing Diego Serna yardage. Yaish is trying to go with Alexandra Account. There's a shop and I'm not going to say who got chopped but it wasn't me. But it was a goalkeeper it was a goalkeeper that got shot at the top. And then Yaish is sprinting. And Diego looks back. Amish and slowly passes the ball into the net but pass the ball at a pace where he's winding. Yaish UP SO ZYPPAH. Yaish thinks he can get to it right Yaish huffing. And Puffing it's like twenty minutes in left-footed slide tackle misses the ball to hook slighted off the line somehow like Kobe. Jones's it into the net like that photo. Shoot for the World Cup. He's hanging in the net and there's the camera is on him the next day. We're watching the video. Walter Zenga pauses. It is hung up on the net. And you just see his eyebrows. There's IT got it and that's like my forever. Memory of Diego is just like it was such a Dick move to play the ball so slowly to where yonder study had a chance to hook slight it out and so yeah I'll go. I'll go CERNA. You've gotTA BE SORTA man only four years it for me only four years of the Miami fusion last but what a glorious four years. We could've talked about locker at so many different things done and we join you. Throw that in there. Dan Beggar for. Do you have any Loch Art? Love memories sadness now because it is finally sort of gone so I can't I can't so there were these pallets outside of Lockhart so let me paint the picture all Lockhart stadium paint a bunch of different colors people. Forget if you look at the average attendance for two thousand one that that season the homefield attendance. It was. It was like fifteen to seventeen thousand. It was up there surprisingly up there. That was another thing that we thought. Well we're getting a good run right now. The fans are here. Why would they ever contract? But outside the stadium there was. This was a parking lot but in the parking lot. We're all these pallets palace four concessions and it could be like sodas and I forget like it wasn't sprite and it wasn't mountain dew. Whatever the soda was good. One seven seven zero missed Sierra mist. I get here. Here's a tough talk. There was a there was a brand of like it was like a Yoohoo ness quick type of brand. It was like a chocolate milk. Although it was it was green involved. Aroma was on all of them. And I can't I can't remember anyways there. Were all these palettes and I remember like I love the chocolate milk. Mix it with like the protein shake so like we were taking. Some of these like pallets have chocolate milk. These boxes home but we only did it once because we didn't realize at the time we're like. Oh man it's like it's like gatorade type like its power like it's you can bring it home and drink it like you know you can take it home. You didn't have to buy it. We forgot had been sitting out in south Florida Sun. I poured one of those whatever they call it like chocolate milk. Valderrama's into blender chugs so. Yeah that's my memory of my lasting memory of locker because the Baltimore Orioles. Preseason venue like that was the training. Preseason training stadium was our locker room for the entire year. So in preseason showed up we had to move to a different part but it was like across the other parking lot and then we would train like out in the outfield the fields and the very very back but yet lockhart still special place but from all the imagery You know from from the knockdown imagery to what they're building now. I can't wait to get down there and see what Inter Miami cf is. It's not curdled. Milk anymore cells can cut you these days. Serious SIRIUSXM channel. One fifty seven counterattack Monday through Friday. Four PM to seven pm just having fun doing interviews catching up with people guys. I appreciate the time reminiscent about the Miami fusion and it's always great to talk through done same guys always aren't thanks to doney. We Got Three. Dugo CERNA. Acl's but many many goals Alex Pineda tricon an MVP. No doubt about that one and then I think Jim Rooney put him on their. Donnie knows better than we do and certainly better than I do. It's too bad. We can't have cranky. Problemas or any or Nick Raimondo. All those guys went on to become legends and Mount Rushmore lax for their respective teams down the line. I'm an open this up for you doyle. I'm GonNa give you the opportunity to make a choice for this because I never saw the fusion play. I don't have any place to talk here. I'm going to recuse myself from this conversation. I mean I understand Donnie. Making the case arriving McKinley McKinley. He's more of like a cult hero type of guy rather than a Mount Rushmore type of guy in Bishop. There's a good in terms of one year. In bishop was awesome. He was like if you think back to those West Ham teams and must hand. Everybody knows them because of the fans and green street hooligans and all that crap like West Ham has a reputation the England of being a team but actually play a little bit and use the ball in in the nineties. Kinley was a huge McKinley in bishop's a huge part of that he has a case Carlos also was best eleven that year. He has a case as well but again. It's only the one year for me. The the fourth guy should be Henry. Gutierrez energy are as was the playmaker maker in Ninety Eight. Ninety nine in two thousand he has. I think the second most games infusion history behind Diego Serna and he was good like he wasn't quite best eleven but he wasn't off. I think he had like eight goals. Fifteen assists one year. He was a borderline. Us National Team Player. I think he got one cap under Bruce and he shouldn't be forgotten he was. He was probably the best player on the team for the first three years. That may playoffs to those wasn't part of the two thousand one team in that. Two thousand one team is maybe my favorite team in MLS history. Because they played gorgeous soccer. And I loved hearing stories about it but that is not the only team infusion history you have to honor the teams that came before hand. Henry was the biggest part of that so I think he's on Mount Rushmore. I'm sold. He's from hoboken. So my ankle downside. Only I'm I'm four Colosseum Osa but I'll give it to doyle guy really convincing today. Let me just say one more thing about this team and as a great interview you guys had with that year's best eleven five players from that best eleven were from the Miami Fuse. Five players Preki was on this Miami Fusion team. He was like the third best attacker was. Insane how good and how fun this team and is greatest. Pineda Cohn was nineteen goals. Nine assists is bizarre because he was never really striker for Honduras he was more of an attacking midfielder but ray had him playing kind of like drifting Fox in the box. Almost false nine at times it Diego Serna was the MVP of Diego Serna was the MVP of your get fifteen goals and fifteen assists in twenty four games. You put that in like today. It's like that's like GIOVINCO. Level production obviously different team in. It's different era and I'm not saying he would put up those types of numbers today but like that team like gorgeous. Soccer Cerna was the best player on that team. And I think on the Miami Fusion Mount Rushmore. You make his head a little bit bigger than everybody else's down for a down for I'll I'll accept that we've got. We put these two best teams the ninety six Munich team and a two thousand one fusion team into our greatest team of all time bracket. Can we call them at large bids or do we want to wait for next Thursday when we finalise? I think they have. That would say they're at large Shia the ninety six mutiny team. They were the original best team in people. Forget David Beckham Carlos Valderrama was the original DP in this league immense a ton he was original. Mvp as well They have to be in there for that Miami fusion that two thousand one team has to be in there because they were that good they were like legitimately that Mastroeni your most of those are world layers in Bishop. Reno what he did Jim. Rone's like super underrated player. Chris Henderson a World Cup player. Doom the list goes on and on with that team. They are absolutely one hundred percent in this best team of all time brand. The the mutiny is an at large bid as well fact that kit is fire all right. I'm done with that swift. Six at large bids left four one two zero six zero s extra time in soccer dot com nominate teams. You WanNa see in his greatest team of all time bracket we will send out who has already qualified via the social. Media's add extra time on twitter and then we'll have that debate on Thursday along with MLS Mount Rushmore. The all time. Mount Rushmore. For this league which is GonNa be a pretty Pretty Salty debate. If Charlie's mood from today is any indication the Kaelin Charlie and then we'll show on starting to get off. Your lawn is more today. Co Two children they're Andrea. Martinez sent an email with his mount. Rushmore four Miami's he had ray Hudson Cerna Pinedo Ching Khan and then Leo Cullen and then because Pablo Mastroeni was not eligible replaced him with Jay heaps. We're GONNA throw those names in there as well. Yeah no real game so I hope the fans feel like they have a good voice in all of this we mentioned and then doyle just goes no. What do you for US breath? This one's not easy. Either your Chievo shirt. Maybe you should get started here. Yeah Yeah Sasha Close Carlos Vela Edward at sweat away. Oh no sorry Dasa one Kubo Torres know what put them on? He was begging me when that team was trash. Okay I'm going Claudio Suarez. Because done seth got hit the nail on the head. This club was was started with the premise of Mexican. And Americans and coming together bringing you know having that massive Cheetah's Club in Mexico in teleporting it to L. A. And having that you know the fan base beasts so strong Claudio Suarez was arguably one of the best defenders must not because he was over the hill with his athleticism because of his ability to read the game. So put him there. And then Ontario's off your entourage of Dan. Candy and Jonathan Bornstein Boy To me Johnny. Bornstein to me. He's there because he was there for all the best years I think I think he has to be there a rookie of the year. He's to me he's there so I'm with you on Olympiada daughter you gotta have Claudio Suarez. He was the basis of the early concept and the sole of the club and he's a land route. Esteem doesn't look it was a team that went kaput after that many years and didn't have the best of. Let's call a form during many of those years so I think you have three shootings there. I think you have questioned Suarez and born and angry big made on the fourth. Yes I agree with you. We like Jonathan Bornstein. For those couple of years he was the best left back in the league and he was early. Best Eleven and fullbacks never make best eleven but in two thousand seven Johnny Bornstein. Was there what I mean. One of the big one is like what if instead of transferring to a league team never played him in never had any intention of playing he went to a place where he would actually play soccer for twenty cents to twenty fifteen. But it's we'll do a what if extra time at some other point. Bornstein has to be there to me the fourth Iran Charlie. Kubo had a good year and a half. I mean for teams. That were terrible. Terrible had a good two and a half years for teams that were pretty good like I think of the two of them are just because it was on the better team and he was a bigger part of it onto got the better argument. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with Auntie I'm not gonNA argue. There's some names I will argue to. The death with Antero Zaw on Mount. Rushmore is still feel comfortable Charlie I got I got you. It's Nikola broker our central midfielder. The team has gone down to Gary. The lower you need rounded on the hunched shoulders of New Jersey man in Nikola broker and he knows carried a group then throw in Justin Braun game most names. I will argue all day. Can we Dan Kennedy? GimMe out there. Ause off what about swimming. You know it was not good news. I know I will say doney brought back a bunch of univision references on the weekend games all that and I can still remember one. Pablo Garcia and Paco Palencia view during the game while they were playing it was chaos across the board. But I was here for it. I remember those yeah player. Not a good chief as where do we have any sort of consensus there? As we just saw Zach Thornton was goalkeeper the in two thousand nine. The muscles played the two years. I know. Okay I think for sure. Rozov who marshon the Combo just Mars has mentioned? He was a part of the good teams. Was He cabinet for rush hour? You guys stretching rushmore. It's doing grasping for USA Charlie. This is a strenuous entire concept of this is a stretch. It started out of stretching. If this is around the horn he'd get that big alright. Alright here's what we do instead. We don't pick one and we just do it. Chilly style where it's just a mystery person wearing a wolf mask and nobody knows who it is in their heart. That's that player becomes now look Roswell Amsterdam jumping jumping on doyle with Roz off Wei. Did we put Dan Kennedy down as the first three or no no. Don't have Dan Kennedy in the first three. No Interesting Lexus. Now talking because I brought up. Dan Kennedy Wa- Dan Kennedy gets like he gets like an honorary award for suffering through just misery the years that he was there and starting he was the remember he was the only thing and he was the only he would try them out. Every media Every media anytime and damned like. I don't know what the Hell's going on here. Man Chili's is crazy. This is we're trying to figure this out on the fly. I'm going with ROWS OFF. Kinda stiffed him on the Chicago side. I agree and I and I feel like you know goal score for the best teams that they had do. We achieve a team in the greatest team of all time. Or do we save that. Isn't that large bid? No I'm under no chance boat to the team. Bus Team was seven fifty three points a DC plus eighteen goal differential they. They won the West in the regular season by point over the Dynamo who would go on to win. Mls Cup it was a good team that that first team under pressure was a good team. But like I don't feel I don't feel given all the options you have for six at large bids. Would you choose that team? I don't think that you would not even close. I'm Jacky goes down for manager can agreed but she must USA your short history. We've wrapped it up here in about seven minutes on Thursday would you in the MLS all timeout rushmore? And we're going to finalize our greatest team of all time bracket we're working on how that's GonNa work with the voting and the cadence will let you know as soon as we know any final thoughts guys before we check up the DEUCES and get out of here. Yeah I'M GONNA throw out one David in skokie who goes on the ETR Mount Rushmore Legendary emailer. And he gave him advice. I think we can go with. Which is who's been most hard done via the nature of the Mount Rushmore for example guys. Who WEREN'T ONE MAN CLUBS? Allah. Tony Meola ACI KAMARA. So we may have to throw that. Mount Rushmore. Together of Mount Rushmore. Guys didn't get on Mount Rushmore Stories. Air But restored. But you gotta think not just because they plan on multiple clubs like they have the warrant like what do you mean? Carlos. Arrays doesn't warrant Mount Rushmore. I said Yeah. Oh No. That's the point though but there are probably not probably there are multiple guys who go down as something like that. Anyone who got traded ever True Allison Dhamma d'oro played for like how many teams right compliment took. Vcu Mount Rushmore art back. I think that's a pretty good spot. The league disguise four one zero six zero s extra minimal soccer dot com. Hit us with your at large bids at extratime will throw out the already qualified teams. You know who's into the greatest of all time bracket and we'll go from there and try to finalize it on Thursday and then we have a new you know. That's it for the Rushmore apartment last ads inside. It's almost over. I can't believe we did all this. I've been the amount of research that I've done in the last month. And a half is best. Elevens every team don't even commitment to that we're OUTTA here on Thursday everybody.

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Equine Forum - October 24th 2020

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

1:59:17 hr | 4 months ago

Equine Forum - October 24th 2020

"From the rail to your radio, this is the horse racing radio network. Have thanked. sexting. Jazz. Years. That's. Out there possibly. Birthday fire with the lead. Guy Giving, chase with share the ride, but it's going to be for resins eight fire. In the. One by three. Welcome to the equine for of. Dixon. These do bullets. During. Off the. Feet there's the devil strikes the. Paul. Swiss. Trying hard but she's still second dot today four convene. There's a double turning back, swith skydiver coming and all the rest. There's the devil scores in the oaks. Now. Here's Mike. Hello again everyone good morning on this twenty four th day of October. Welcome to the forum show that launched to network here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Mike pennant baron, and the back stretch with you just thirteen days four hours twenty eight minutes away from the Breeders Cup world. Championships. Of course, you're listening to this show throughout north. America on Sirius to Nineteen Xm to Oh, one on our affiliates in Lexington Louisville, and across the country or you're tuned in digitally with our live streaming or the podcast of the show on our H. R. N. website at Horse Racing Radio Dot net. Well as the attention. Of the racing world continues to shift toward the Breeders Cup and rightfully so. There's still plenty of other racing news to talk about on Saturday morning the thirty fifth Maryland million. Program takes place this afternoon at Laurel going to be joined in just a few minutes by owner Dan Mason who is also a colleague of ours here on the horse racing. Radio. Network, you'll be with me at eight fifteen eastern time as he prepares to watch two of his horses compete on this Maryland Million Day. It's a big deal. Can't wait to visit with Dan and talk to him about those horses and about. His lifetime in this sport as an owner, he has been involved for a very, very long time and should be a fun visit keeneland. Keeneland brings down the curtain on what has been a very unique fall. Meet to say the least that fall meet wraps up today of course, racing will return here for the Breeders Cup as I mentioned in just about thirteen days. And that means that racing here in the Commonwealth of Kentucky is GonNa Shift seventy two miles west to churchill downs, which will kick off their one hundred thirty I fall meet with the first of two. Stars of Tomorrow Cards that Begins Tomorrow Eleven races all for two year olds. That is an awesome concept they've been doing that for a very long time and it is fun fun thing to watch and the first time this year by the way that spectators will be allowed to attend the races at Churchill downs albeit in a limited capacity of about forty percent which you think of the size of Churchill downs. That's a decent number. That's a pretty decent number considering we couldn't have any fans. In attendance at the Kentucky Derby back in early September. That's a step in the right direction. And only certain areas are going to be open. But we'll have about forty percent capacity at Churchill beginning tomorrow with their fall meet Darren Rogers, the director of communications at Churchill GonNa wrap up the show with me at nine forty eastern time to look ahead to that meet and and give you more insight is to what you can expect. If you are thinking about trying to get out to the races at Churchill High, you can go about doing it The areas that will be open for spectators. He'll fill you in on all of that at nine forty eastern time. So. I'm going to begin the show talking about Maryland million with Dan Mason and wrap it up looking ahead to the churchill fall meet with Darren Rogers. Inbetween. Inbetween welcome in hall of Fame Jockey Chris. McCarron to look back on Tis. Now's brilliant victories and not one but two Breeders Cup classics. I thought that was appropriate on the Saturday morning as it was announced this past week that the only horse to win the classic twice. Tis now has officially been retired. From Stud duty and IINO IT happens. On the twenty year anniversary of his first classic victory in two thousand. That came at Churchill downs, of course. The following year at acqueduct just six weeks after the September eleventh attacks on our country. Tom Durkin provided one of the most memorable calls in the history of our sport Tis now wins it for America. And Crystal looked back on those two wins and he'll talk about. What that was like coming into the two thousand one breeders. Cup. After everything that had happened. There was talk that the Breeders Cup to be cancelled that year I can remember that. but. The sport in in sports in general. Persevered and the Breeders Cup was indeed held against six weeks after the September eleventh attacks it was held in new. York. And Chris, was the man who was In the spotlight at the end after guiding Tis. Now to that huge win, he'll be me at eight thirty five eastern looking forward to catching up Chris Dr Jim Chipita from flair equine nasal strips going to be with me at nine o'clock eastern time. He always has a lot of great things to tell you about their products and Canadian Hall of Famer Josie Carroll. With me at nine twenty. This is cool. I don't know. To be honest with you, I don't know if this has gotten the attention it deserves. If we had a horse. If let's say Tis the law, for example, this year would have won. The. Kentucky Derby and going triple crown in the preakness albeit with everything being shuffled around there would be a lot of HOOPLA. There would be a lot of attention. I don't know if this is getting the attention. It deserves I'm GonNa make sure it does this morning. Josie Carroll who has if she's a Canadian Hall of Famer she has done so much. So many good things in her career. Today she stands on the doorstep of history with Mighty Heart Mighty. Heart. Looks to become just the eighth horse to sweep the Canadian triple crown think about that. We have had thirteen triple crown winner in the US and we talked about how difficult? The triple crown is to accomplish. Although. American Pharaoh, justify come along they went not consecutive years, but they win it in a very short timeframe from each other and you start thinking. Okay. Now you start to hear the talk as the triple crown too easy. We need to make some changes. Yeah now leave it alone thirteen triple crown winners in the US, third volume seven in. Canada. The last to do it was Wando back in two, thousand and three. And today, it would bind the final leg that triple crown, the breeder stakes mile, and a half on the turf. And mighty heart as the. Morning Line favorite. But they're gonNA take their shots at mighty heart a field of twelve lined up for that breeder stakes later today. Here's the deal. Take a look at. The two triple crowns. Let's put them side by side for a minute and. The past several years we've had the privilege to go to Woodbine. And broadcast the first leg of their triple crown the Queen's plate it is one of the. One of the great trips that we make all year long and hopefully things get back to normal. We can get back there again next year but. The distances as. A bolt triple crown, the American triple crown, the US, triple crown, and the Canadian triple crown. Are the same. All three races are the same distances but the the major difference is that in the US yeah, you go to three different race tracks just like doing Canada. But all three legs of the triple crown here or on dirt on the main track. In, Canada that's not the case. You have to in three races. You have to do them at three different tracks. And you have to do it on three different surfaces. The Queen's plate. Is Run onto, pita. The. Prince. Of Wales stakes at four eerie is on the main track on dirt, and then come back to the mile and a half breeder stakes on the turf at Woodbine to wrap it up. So that leads me to my poll question for today. With. The three. Well, let's put it this way the. Three Races in the triple crown series in the US and Canada. Are? All. Contested at the same distances? However, the US triple crown. Is All on dirt whereas the Canadian triple crown. Requires A horse to win on three different surfaces. So which Is more difficult to accomplish. The. US triple crown. Or the Canadian triple crown. Give you two choices there I wanNA know your thoughts. and. Port chauncey having to formulate that poll question on twitter I? Don't know how he's going to do it but he's pretty good with that stuff. So One more time. The three triple crown races in the US and Canada are both contested in both countries are contested. However in the US off. A dirt in Canada. You have to win on three different surfaces, which is more difficult to accomplish the US triple crown or the Canadian triple crown, and I'll tell you. I think it has to be the Canadian triple crown forget about the fact. that. Yeah. We've had thirteen winter's here in the US and only seven in Canada. But. Asking A HORSE To win at those distances at three tracks at three different different surfaces it has to be. The. Canadian. Triple crown. Be Curious to see what you think. Let me know at HR and on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook and other way to cast your vote you wanna email the show. You can always email me your opinion on that Mike Horse, racing radio DOT net. But I thought on this day when mighty heart goes for the triple crown in Canada. I. Thought that was appropriate and you know. Josie Carroll her lone win and the breeders stakes came in two thousand, Fourteen with AMIS holiday. So it's not like. She has had a ton of success in that race. She has in other races, the other triple crown races but. Mighty heart dominated the Queen's plate. Came back, enroll through the Prince of Wales and looks to be the real deal and she has said over the course of the past several days that this is a very talented horse and I look forward to catching up with her to talk about mighty heart and that triple crown bid later in the program. So here you got, let's reset it for you Dan Mason coming up in. Just, a few minutes after my first commercial break, he'll talk about today's Maryland Million Hall of Fame Jackie Chris. McCarron right around eight thirty, five eastern time Dr Jim chip header from flair strips will be with the at nine o'clock Josie Carroll, nine twenty and darren rogers from Churchill downs nine forty, it is a full show. It kicks off next on the Forum on the Horse Racing Radio Network. The breeders. Cup runs here. Thank. Only. On HRIS. 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Several of Nicholson insurance agencies companies are returning portions of auto premiums because of reduced travel during the isolation period, which I think is the right thing to do please call eight, five, nine, two, two, four, seven, zero eight, zero Nicholson Insurance Agency. Thank you. WATCH WAGER WIN CELEBRATE THE CLEVELAND ME joining keeneland select healings, mobile betting platform were you can watch live racing and bet from your phone or computer. NEW SIGN UPS in October receive a special fifty dollar bonus after you wager one hundred dollars on keeneland racing this month with Promo Code Ball Twenty. This is on top of the standard keeneland select one, hundred dollars sign up bonus join today, and start wagering keeneland select dot com. This. Is Bruce Brown and you're listening to the horse racing radio network. Point of the turn Jarvis steel factor in just a neck behind they turning almost together and it's tempt me twice at their position tries harder in fourth and. Fifth into the stretch. Now, about a quarter of a mile left to go jarvis steel turning back factor in intent me twice on the inside keep tries harder. Love you too far outside here comes tries between. ME twice they're coming fast now Jarvis Steel love you. To love you much love you much try harder me twice three way go it's going to be a three way finish. Much harder. Intent me twice. Welcome back to the Boerum here on the horse racing radio network, Mike pent-up Barron of the backstretch with you on this Saturday morning that was day Rodman of the call. Of Love, you much winning an allowance race. That was back in two, thousand nineteen August winless sense but looking to break that streak later today six-year-old gelded. Son Of for love hoping to breakthrough for our good friend Dan Mason as he joins me now here on H. R. and Dan Good Morning my friend Good Morning Mike. God Do I. Miss You guys. I mean we ever going to be back to normal. We get our whole team back on the field. Boy wouldn't that be nice. You know I mentioned at the top of the show not only are you a longtime racehorse owner but you and I have been friends for many years and you are now part of our horse racing radio network crew boy it would be nice to get the band back together again I can tell you that. Well. Maybe someday that'll happen but you know it just it adds so much to the product when we have everybody contributing and I, look forward to it and got up with you and Kirk and the rest of the team I mean we've had bobby I mean we pedal we've had a lot of flaps and a lot of fun and Gosh. You don't know how much you miss it till. You don't do it anymore you know. Hey you're not getting you you have the. Distinct pleasure of watching a couple of your horses run on the Maryland Million Program today at Laurel and we just heard the call of love much winning that allowance race that again was in August of last year got up to win by a neck and since that time Dan has been knocking on the door right there and just unable to crack through what's the key to victory for love you much today. Stay out of trouble you know if he got them traffic a couple of times but the thing about love much is this horse. You know we always kinda get a kick out of the horse. We talk about a lot count on loof. You remember him back way back when but. Tries all the time. He's always there and some of the handicappers picking second or third and. There's a horse from New York coming in here called named fire. That is going to be the favourite today in that particular race, but you can count on love you much. He's just honest. Honest horse. He's never gonNA cheat and he's the same Morrissey is in the morning is the same Morsi as in the afternoon and I look forward to it. I I really think he's got a great shot to win but you know horse racing Mike I I'll tell you a funny story and I know you're going to recall this. Remember we had in. One of the Maryland million races last year no knock grade and he's back in the day. But last year he was coming down the stretch to was a soft turf and he was about three and he hit a like muddy soggy patches on the turf on the rail and practically stopped and ended up finishing fifth I think. But Mike, I had one foot in the winner's circle. We already we're going to get off the air so we could go get the trophy mean we. planned. Out In my mind but. That that's worth seeing my friend. far more ways to lose a horse race than there are to win one there's only one way to win. You have to get your nose in front at the wire, and that's of course what you're hoping for would love you much in grade later today love you much by the way is in the sixth race of the day at Laurel, that is a the Maryland million turf sprint five and a half furlongs on the turf course and then We'll see no not grade in the final race of the day, which I believe is a starter handicaps. So you Kinda. Almost. Got Him surrounded Dan later today. Far Cry from that Mike, but it's going to be a good day. This brothers beautiful here today and turf will be firm. No doubt and. Both horses like that although love much doesn't mind yielding course either but no knock grade from previous races just hates a yielding course or softer. Of course but I it's going to be a good day I mean it's unfortunate that I believe the only limited to two hundred and fifty spectators, which is crazy when you got thousands of people that the silliest built for and they let the owners come in with like a party of four and do that but it's just you know maybe two, thousand, twenty one, we'll be back where. People can come to the race track and enjoy it but It's a beautiful. That's for sure. Going out to the races today Dan. I will and I will be going and taking a couple of my friends and. Hopefully will. Be The love you much no. Not Great contingent would be heard because there will be a lot of people at this. That's for sure. Talking with Dan, Mason our colleague here on the horse racing radio. Network, and of course, owner of his own resources for many many years Dan take me back to almost the beginning I. Guess if you will and and talk to me about how you first got involved with with racing and then owning racehorses, where did that interest come from? Well, I have been going to raise trucks and four years old I'm from Louisville and that took me. So, I would just run around the race track at Churchill downs and pick up tickets off the ground. You know the people would discard head to the top of the grandstand and start looking for winners which I would always fine every time. I'd go I'd get a winner wouldn't be a lot but I'd had enough keep me an ice cream for a week. But I would go and as I grew older. You know you recall up in a family that loves races in racetracks that. Could Afford Horse I did and I source I ever owned rented LS Park and then you know you and then you get you get burnt out sometimes on it over many many years and you take a break and then it's like you always come back. But I think as a racehorse owner, what you have to do, there's two rules you never spend more on a horse than you could afford to lose, and then the other rule is you have to be willing to accept the peaks and valleys of the sport. And boy those peaks. Let me tell you what I meant horses around today. I'm going to enjoy that peak because you know I have to. Keep. An even Keel when we get to the bally's. And the happens. A lot in this business? A Horse owners? No but you know it's all about sportsmanship and it's fun. It's hopefully it's about bringing people along with you enjoy the day. It's a lot more fun when you've got a group there rather than just one person. You've been able to do that several times I know that I've been there with you. When you ve had horses running, you mentioned no knock ray last year but you're big on that. You love to invite when we could invite people you love to invite as many people as you can, and even if they can't. Necessarily come to the winner's circle with you because of. Limitations on the number of people or whatever it might be at least they get to experience what the sports all about, and you've always been a a great ambassador in that respect. I do I enjoy people smiling having fun and guys the sensitive winning I remember Mike I'll tell you real quick. Story that the first date I ever took my wife at Was it park and my trainer had horse in that day course was about fifteen to one I didn't think it had a shot but the trainer said, you know what you guys if this horse wins I, want you to go to the winter circle. I said great and the wife now girlfriend said Oh that would be fun the Horse Wins and I'm trying her to the winter circle she goes oh The horse I can't go in there. Sure. You can't. It's all. It's all about people I haven't find. So you know it's not bad for a first date ended up in the winner's circle at. Laurel how Yeah, it was meant to be after that, right? Yeah. Yeah. We've been married close to fifteen years now. Yeah spectacular Great stuff. Dan Mason. I'M GONNA. Brag on you for a minute Dan former president of CBS radio and member of the Radio Hall of fame. He has had a lot of success on the business side of this game and and now of course, involve a thoroughbred racehorses he has been. You heard him talk about his passion for it since he was very, very young at growing up. In Louisville Dan when I, first met you talked about count on Lou. He's your big horse at that point going back to about two thousand, twelve, thirteen I guess it was and you've had other ones too. You've had horses like Mindy Michelle comes to mind I think changing of the guard was another one that you own tell me about some of the other ones that that stand out to you. Oh my Gosh Mike I had I would have some that only be able to keep a couple of races and they would get claim from from me right away. You Recall Mindy Michelle. She was a nice philly ended up getting claimed of course, which is okay. Mean it's part of the game but another one that would be always consistent always trying changing of the guard you mentioned and she was a flighty Philly but She'd always have to saddle up outside the paddock, but she had a war win bunch of speed. I think she made about two hundred, fifty, thousand dollars through a owners but you know somehow you just remember all the good ones. You don't really get the ones that weren't so good. You maybe I'm blocked them out but and Mike to been at a bet over the course of. Gosh thirty years that I've owned fifty different horses and. I do remember some catchy names but the ones that stand out are the ones that you know are hard knocking trying horse. So again, you I know speaks I'm right there enjoying love and life. You've always been big on Dan throughout your time at CBS in this whole hall of Fame Radio Career is relationships and you are. Excellent at not only establishing relationships with people but keeping those relationships and you have a long standing relationship with your trainer Ferris Allen, who is the trainer of both horses running on that Maryland million program today tell me about that relationship and how that came about and why it's been so successful. I think when I first met Sarah side called the racing office. At Laurel or PIMLICO or whatever was open at the time and had asked him to recommend the trainer and they recommended Ferris and he's about my age he went to law school at the William and Mary Incredibly Bright Guy and You know we've. We understand we understand each other I mean. We kind of wind together we lose together one of those kind of deals, but you know a lot of owners will change trainers like the daily water something. But I, I've never done that I've just gotten. I, had other trainers. some I. Like that more than others but Sarah's we've been together since like the early nineties maybe. Our late eighties at you know it's you. You GotTa if you believe in a trainer and you believe in a person it no matter what business you're in you you ride that person's till the end of the beach. Let that wave come all the way up to the beach and you don't you don't switch. Horses in the middle of the wave you don't it's just not good business, and so when I find somebody or a company or somebody like to do business with I don't change, it would take a lot to make me change and I've Kinda operated with that principle whether it's people who worked for me or whether people that are companies that hire if they do a good job and they're honest hardworking I, I just don't change I'm consistent that way. In the six today no not great in the twelfth, both of those part of the Maryland Million Day program at Laurel Park and visiting with Dan Mason on H. R. N. Dan. Are you still going to want to work with us on radio after you become an Academy Award winning actor? Always. Work with you guys I. Love. That relationship and I love the people. Love the laughs. I. Love the going to the race track. Love going out to dinner the night before of going into the casino with Mike Bennett being my bad luck. So. I Will Mike. You know long as there's a place for me, I'll be there. But we stopped that train at Gulfstream that day right you're on a roll your winning every time you went to the machines and I went into watch you play and I I don't think you were ever ahead in that that half hour I watched you. Michelle was saying was cursing because I was going to buy dinner with my winning so. Many winning. So it didn't buy dinner so it was fun though. Yeah I was cheering for you win. Believe me I was definitely. What is your? What's your favorite track that have been to? What's your favorite memory of our team I'd like We won the eclipse award but there's other things I'd like to know from your standpoint what? Are some of your favorite flashbacks when we had the team together. Yeah it's a great question out. In terms of the race. Dan. I'm always partial to Saratoga because that's where I grew up in picking though I cut my teeth on racing at Saratoga I remember going there my friends and sitting at the picnic tables alongside the the top of the stretch there. So from a racetrack perspective I think you know Saratoga always does for me I think Santa, Anita is a beautiful race track sitting there looking at the San Gabriel mountains. one of the great backdrops and all racing to me Santa Anita's gorgeous Yeah and In terms of the memories I think just like you said being on the road, the Camaraderie, all of that comes along with putting the shows together you know getting to travel the different locations I'll tell you Barbados getting the opportunity to go there and broadcast the Gold Cup. A couple years was spectacular In the way we were treated when we went there was just incredible. So any of those types of things really stand out you know all of the accolades and stuff. Great but that's just a byproduct of. Of getting the the back together in in doing things the way we feel are the right way to do them so. I think my number one favorite memory was when we were at del Mar for breeders. Cup. and sharing that airbnb with and bathroom with Jude Sean and I was like. But I tried to Tom. I. Thought we had a great broadcast that day and Of course, the people have del Mar. we were Nice. We had a really nice facility there that we. From. So I think that when until that one gets top that will end out in my mind. Well listen let's make some more memories this afternoon on that Maryland Million Day card. Go get him Dan. Love you much. No not grade. Let's get to the winner's circle twice today my friend and keep your eye on me Mike. We will all right appreciate it Dan Mason here on the horse. Racing. Radio Network interview like all of our interviews brought to you by embrace the race the apparel for the horse racing lifestyle embrace your passionate. Where would you love and embrace the race Dot Com? You heard me ask him about his acting career. He has gotten into doing some acting now to in addition to being part of our team on radio. Natalie's retired from CBS's dabbling in a little bit of that and. I wanted to get into that with him a little bit more, but didn't get a chance to but hopefully he's in the winter circle day with those two horses at Laurel. Still Become Chris McCarron will be with me in the next segment. He's GonNa. Look back on the twenty year anniversary of Tis. Now's first. Breeder's Cup classic. Win At of course that second one that memorable one in two thousand, one, the only horse to win the Breeders Cup classic twice I'll talk to Chris and just a little bit. Dr Jim Chia pet from flair strips at nine o'clock Josie Carroll? Going for the triple Crown Today Woodbine Nine, twenty, eastern and Darren Rogers at nine forty. That's all ahead. Right after your legends of the TURF brought to you every Saturday morning at this time by the Lexus store of Lexington. Shortly before four PM on October eighteenth one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, two, seven thoroughbreds from around the world answered the call. The Post will the first Deborah Laurel International at Laurel Racecourse in suburban Washington DC, and there was a solid noteworthy feel on hand to contend for the top arms neither land from Germany had obese Kerouac in the irons and he came. into the race as the winner of the German Derby of nineteen fifty in the enhanced from Canada was the only three year old on the race and was therefore in the receipt of six pounds from the others while having the services of the redoubtable Johnny Longden and the irons will win an English invader by pink flower out of Sarasin, by Donna tell. The second was to be written by a manual Mercer Zucchero and other English invader piloted by Cheeky Charlie, Smith, really from America and the most highly regarded of the three American horses in the field had the services of Johnny Adams Greek ship from the roof meet stable head Hetty Eddie Arcaro up politer. The Pride of Maryland was the third American Entry John. D. Shapiro Laurel. President, who dreamed of the actuality of the race was about to see his dream unfold at the start which off went off without a hitch Zucchero went to the front a writer. Charlie Smith took them back off the pace allowing Indian, hemp the Canadian three year old to go to the front to set the practice while the first half mile. Johnny Longden born in Canada, and aboard the Canadian vader was a noted master at controlling the pace of race on the front end, and as they went past the how Greek ship moved up along defense to take the lead and the German champion. Need Lander moved with him on the outside the make it a troika upfront dueling poor control then Greek ship neater lender pulled away from Indian hemp and those to wear heads apart going to the far turn matching powerful strides Greek. Ship was the first to give way while the rest. Of the field began to close ground and bunched up as they swung around the turn and what was rapidly becoming a superb horserace Zucchero and will win were moving fast the civilization came to the top of the stretch where the Cagey. Mun Emmanuel Mercer got will win down along the inside the save grounded get to the front as they came pounding down the lane, the hasty house farm. Really one of the American entrance came flying down the middle of the racetrack with a wily veteran atoms putting all his skills to use to. Get the less possible belonged to run out of his mouth. It was too little too late will win cross the wire retooling Ruiz second? Zucchero third then came nederlander pallister Greek ship and the fully spent early pacesetter Indian hemp are carrow who wrote Greek ship said after the race quote no excuses those other horses just ran on by me too fast either given my right arm to win this race but my amount ran one of his poorest races unquote manny mercer the winning rider was beside himself when he leapt off to hug. His mouth in the winter circle he had written a perfect race keeping his mouth off the pace in sixth place in the early going allowing the early speed to kill each other off than deathly driving through a long defense turning for home during the presentation ceremony will win was accorded a huge ovation by the crowd and that cheering continued on in a great display of international sportsmanship that October Day in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, two, Laurel in Maryland, and the running the very first international indeed a great moment in thoroughbred racing. Visionary design. 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Open further information can be found at Churchill Bounds DOT COM in total ten stakes races offering purses of nearly one point eight million dollars big money, big fields October twenty fifth to November twenty ninth at Churchill downs. This is Joe Rocco Junior I'm done with my name is victor has been assigned. This is Jockey Brian Hernandez and you're listening to H or You're listening to the Equine Forum on the Horse Racing Radio Network. saw. Jazz now is. Grant. Short. My part after known. Warm stretch drive. and. Breeders Cup. Yeah. What a day? What a performance by Tis. Now, the only two time winner of the Breeders Cup Classic and that was win number two. You heard time Durkin with the call that was at Belmont Park in two thousand one he wanted the previous year in two thousand but the one in two thousand one emotional for a lot of reasons it hit come just six weeks after the September. Eleventh attacks on our country and it happened right there in New York and there was talk that maybe the Breeders Cup wouldn't be held that year. I remember a lot of the conversation surrounding sports in general is that maybe sports should take a respite and not be held for for quite some time. But as we started to get back to some sense of normalcy sports became an integral part of our culture and that was certainly one of them and that performance by Tis now will live in our memories forever and Tis. Now ridden both times in the Breeders Cup by Hall of Fame Jockey Chris McCarron who joins me now here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Chris Good morning my friend. Hey Good morning. Mike thanks for having me on PAL. Yeah appreciate the visit. Let's. Just. Heard the call of that race in two thousand and one there was it was much more than a horse race. It put me there with you what what were the days like leading into that race and then of course, the race itself. Yeah there was a lot of tension in the air obviously And one of the most vivid. Recollection I have is before the races began, they had all the jockeys get get dressed up in their colors that they were going to be using the day the owners colors. And we paraded. From the Jockey's room down through the tunnel at dot park and across the track onto the turf course, and we were all carrying American flags, little little American flags and we all had hats on that either said F. D. N. Y. or NYPD to salute the frontline heroes of the tragedy and as we got across onto the turf course turned around, looked up at the grandstand and for the link, the whole of the Belmont grandstand, which we all know is enormous. about every fifty yards or so there was a soldier with a with a rifle snipers if you will. And that was a very alarming view and I'll never forget it. It's still vivid in my in my mind now and we all knew the gravity of the situation how serious everything was but that that vivid memory is will forever be eskimo mind and it was quite alarming It was it was weird because it was alarming and and Feeling. Better about the situation too because we know we're being protected but it was It was quite the day it that's that's how my day started off and and we. Fortunately because of the great heart that twos now has He finished the day off for it's really well. I. Think that's the right way to put it cry and by the way fantastic recollection there but you know, I think that's the right way to put it the heart in determination that Tis now showed in defeating the Great European and Sake and getting up to win by a nose that at one point in the stretch it looked as if Tis now was done but somehow he got it out and found a way to get his nose in front in in Tom Durkin summed it up perfectly winning it for America. There was so much national pride not just with horse racing, but around the country. That when he's coming down the stretch in, he's in that battle. Do you remember exactly what was going through your mind and how how intense that must have been? Yeah I remember what what was going on through my mind. I told Jay Robbins his trainer in the paddock before the race that. Him Stick I was just going to ride him and coax them along because he was training in what I refer to. As an obstreperous fashion he was leading up to the race he was. do things the way he wanted to do them and With without regard to the exercise, Boy Ruben was was trying to get them to do His now is very, very strong, willed, and strong mind and He would go out there and do whatever the whatever the heck he wanted to do. And most of the time it was to walk down to detract slow fashion take everything in get on the track look around for a while and he wouldn't go and train until he was absolutely ready for it. And when I breezed him a mile a week before the breeders. Cup. We're at Santa Anita he had not chipped back to New York yet. And I was instructed by J Robbins to breed them a mile. Well, he wouldn't go for about forty minutes. He just stood on the track didn't do anything wrong. He just wouldn't go forward and he finally had enough sightseeing while he was out there and decided to go ahead and go and when he did he went for he breathes the mile and thirty six and change going from the. half-mile pole all the way back around to the half-mile pool and horses just don't breathe that fast in that in that particular configuration when they go from wire to wire doing mile. Yeah, they finish very well. But typically when they passed the finish line and they start gearing down but now did not do that he just kept on running. And so knowing that he's got this strong willy doesn't want to be forced into doing anything I was up there as a passenger just trying to coax him along and and at the Sixteenth Pole. Sake was a good neck in front of me and I figured I've got nothing left to lose so I reached back and I tapped him once with my left hand and and he responded favorably he jumped forward and got was able to get back in front drop his head down right at the right time that was that's a that's an event I will never ever forget. I. Don't like when guests come on the show and use bigger words than me Chris obstreperous. Not Bad for jockey. Pretty good. Did you know that you had the race won at that point? Did you feel confident that your nose was in front? I could feel trying and I couldn't really tell but I did hear the call. I was able to hear Tom Durkin Tis now Windsor for America, and so I began the celebration in earnest right away just Galloping out I was given a big old pat on the neck and everything and I wasn't a hundred percent sure because I had my head buried and I was down driving. But I had a good feeling about it and then when I heard. The I had a good feeling about it because of the response I was getting some from the effort that he was putting out. And But when I heard Tom say that and he's he's about as good as they get when it comes to deciding who he could've made a very ex- very skilled placing judge in if he wanted to because he was very good at determining who the winner was. Did. You hear him say his now wins it for. America. I. Did I heard him say that? Yeah and then. Yeah. Then my my confidence with regard to the photo swelled in and so yeah, it was It was it's amazing. How you what you hear out there and what you don't hear when you when you focus and you know sometimes you're easily distracted other times you just geared on gear down on the focus for the race and and but that particular time I did hear him it was It was pretty loud and It was a great feeling. People will forget that Tis now is not the favourite in that race as the defending champion. It was actually aptitude under Jerry. Bailey who went post word is the favorite in that two thousand, one Breeders Cup the year before Tis now wins it for the first time at Churchill downs. He wasn't the favorite that year either you wrote to me was nine to one an again another gutsy effort he battled with another top European and giant's causeway, and he gets up to win by a neck I. Guess he had to be thinking at that point man this horses special. Oh Yeah. He he showed me how to special and he was when he when he won the first breeders. Cup. Classic because he didn't break his maiden until May of that year, he broke his maiden in May at Hollywood park and in a maiden special weight race. Came back next time out in ran super in the I think it was the affirmed handicap and then in the in the swaps stakes as well ran very well Victor Espinoza wrote them in those races actually Alex police broke his maiden but victor wrote him a couple of times and Victor was committed to another horse I. Forget the Horse's name at this point for the Pacific classic in Jaaz me to ride them and I had breezed him a couple times in the morning. So I was somewhat familiar with him but. He goes on after breaks maiden. He wins a stake these third mistake he's second in the Pacific Classic, and then he goes down to Louisiana and wins. The Super Derby comes back to Santa Anita, wins the Goodwood and then journeyed back to Churchill downs and what a tremendous amount of fortitude divorce show throughout the training and racing process. He was He was an iron horse and I know that's what they call it giant's causeway but if I if I ever ironhorse kids now. Yeah Chris McCarron went me here on the Horse Racing Radio Network the hall of Famer looking back on Tis, now's to victories in the Breeders Cup. Classic two thousand and two, thousand and one respectively. The only horse ever to win the Breeders Cup. Classic twice Chris. When you look up the leaders among jockeys in the Breeders Cup Classic Your Name and Jerry's Jerry Bailey name at the top of the list you each have won that race five different occasions your first in nineteen, eighty eight, and then the last one coming in two thousand, one with Tis now. But that first one with Alli, Sheba in eighty eight I know you and I have talked about it multiple times that was a special victories you've ever had. Oh. Yes. Without question. Yeah. I I'm very blessed. That's for sure to have written five. Five classic winners Ellie Chiba was very, very special horse for me and for for the racing public when he won When he won the classic. Tom Had another great call that afternoon and they was getting really dark to boy it was very, very dark at all the way around the track and But ALYSHEBA was was very special for sure and I also had if I may toot my horn a little bit. I. Also had three seconds in the races well. and. SO I. Came close to winning that thing eight times. Yeah. How'd you get the other three beat Chris come on. All and it's a good question. I was second on on Alysheba and eighty seven Ferdinand feed him. I was second on twilight agenda I. Think in ninety one behind black tie affair and second in eighty five on on gate dancer behind The horse of Georgia proud truth proud truth yeah. Proud truth. John. Vh. That's correct. George Alaska for Darby Darby Dan. Farm. Yeah. You know we talk about this being the twenty year anniversary of Tis. Now's first Breeder's cup. Classic Win This is the twenty five year anniversary. Cigars huge win at Belmont Park and Tom Dirk. Stick, call that people will remember forever but the following eat. Inroad alphabet soup to knock off cigar at Woodbine what do you remember about that day? Yeah it was a cold kind of a nasty day. The weather was inclement and the My family had traveled with me from Los Angeles to Toronto. And I had a lot of really good chances that they are remember I was lower bare and I thought you know when I was going over the form the morning of the race I thought I got a chance to win three or four these things this afternoon it didn't didn't pan out. and then I was given a little frustrated as we got closer to the the classic. And you know got to where I said. Well, I'm only got one more chance here. Let's. Let's let's make this thing happen and the Alysheba I mean alphabet soup was was a very, very nice horse and but he was like a bicycle if If you weren't peddling he wasn't going forward. So he eat ice started riding him. Pretty vigorously at the five eighth pole as we after we turn down the backside just to maintain my position and when Cigar Rene's up on my outside. I was losing ground. But when I saw, it was cigar outside I thought well, I might be losing some ground, but he's losing more than I am. So we we had a pretty good chance that the head of the stretch and alphabet soup just put his head down he beat the preakness winner Louis Couture's. was second in the race and Cigar of course was third but very, very exciting day and it was a fun weekend too. I took my family to Niagara Falls for the first time and It's one thing that racing his riding horses and racing has done for me. I got to see some wonderful parts of this country and the world because of the travels might my career would take me on but alphabet soup. Got The job done that afternoon. Well, Chris, I can tell you and I I know I've told you this publicly before, but I'll say it again as I was getting into racing and in growing up, I had to favourite jockeys Mike Smith and Chris McCarron, and you have always Mike to have always been so generous with your time when I call you and ask you to come on the program and this has been a fantastic trip down memory lane looking back on those breeders, Cup classic victories, just part of what made you, such a Great Hall of fame writer and really appreciate the visit. It's always so much fun and never never obstreperous to do an interview with you. Well thanks to have Mike and My I should bite my tongue before I say this but I'm going to say it anyway the steelers have a lot better chance this year than the Patriots do. So if if we if we went act. I I. I liked that organization and and I hope they continue to do well for you. Know you're a huge supporter of the Pittsburgh steelers so go steelers. Love Wow save that on tape right there Chris McCarron ladies, and Gentlemen Chris appreciate the visit. Buddy. Thank. My thinks they have me take care of buddy. Lau Chris McCarron just go steelers on my but you know I remember a few years ago. We we did an interview in the studio and The steelers and the Patriots were getting ready to play in a playoff game i. think it was and Chris came in all in his patriots stuff and of course, I had my steelers stuff. I'm because that's pretty much what I wear every day of the year and got. A great picture with Chris in the studio with the two of us together like that and he's when I say that he's a great ambassador for the sport and he's a classy guy and and he's done things the right way all of these things that you say about guys like, Chris. McCarron like a Mike Smith like John Velazquez any of these guys that are you'll Ramon Dominguez Heavier Castellano good family guys class act in the list goes on and on and on. There are so many great people in the sport and Chris Certainly right there at the top of the list. Yeah Great Memories to the Breeders Cup classics and Tis now. If you're just joining me officially retired from Stud duty at Windstar this past week that was announced and You know what a career for Tis now at Stud and on the Racetrack Gutsy horse and his Chris called them the Ironhorse for Sherp are going to get to another break I'll come back and. Get you set for the second half of the program that's next on Equine Forum on the Horse Racing Radio Network. Your home for the twenty twenty triple crown and Breeders Cup. Power. Passion. Z. Waiting by net goes down performance. Gains Waist down. Conti. 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On the outside as rap, the lead and takes off with three sixteenths to go suddenly clear by four Mr Crows on the wrong lead trying to rally we'll go down toward the inside, but they're all painting. Sticky Tread by the sixteenth bowl with six late lead this one will ramble home much the best in the nineties bigotry by five in the end Mr Crow. Has Second Wilbur was third awesome Saturday but as for. About. Two equine here on H. R. N. Mike Pence Berna the backstretch taking you through these couple of hours on this Saturday morning the twenty four, th day of October two thousand twenty thirteen days away from the Breeders Cup. World, championships that was traveled a stone with the call of the two thousand eighteen aristocracies Churchill downs, chief secretaries' getting the victory in that one translates to. Chief Scar. He actually has a scar on his shoulder. So it was appropriate that chief secretaries' would be the name of this very talented horse. He is a potential runner in this year's Breeder's Cup sprint for trainer Shawn Davis. Who is my guest this past Wednesday night on trainer talk, which you can hear every Wednesday presented by Phasing Tipton and what a Story Sean Davis has. And if you missed the show, I'm going to encourage you right now to head back over to our website at some point this weekend and check it out. because. You're talking about a guy in Sean Davis. Seventy nine years old. and. A three time world champion saddlebronc writer. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, he was inducted into the pro Rodeo Hall of fame he spent time. Working on the ranch of famed Oil Company executive and legendary Horse Breeder Nelson Bunker. Hunt. And he's dined with late President Ronald Reagan, on the White House lawn. Those just a few of the highlights from Sean Davis's resume and we spent an hour on trainer talk. Looking back on his career as. A SADDLEBRONC rider looking back on his involvement with race horses and how that love began for him. It was. A super entertaining. Our and his story is just fantastic. So after we finish up here or at some point this weekend, treat yourself to that trainer talk show presented by Phase Tipton. It's on our website horse racing radio dot net as our all of our podcast. If you missed the BRIS THAT DOT COM call in show from this past week, you can head over and check that out. If you missed our Friday night weekend stakes preview, which is presented by naira. With Bobby Newman Anthony's to be a walking through all the weekend's big races and sharing their selections head over there and podcast that to in and listen horse racing radio, dot net horse racing radio network on Apple podcasts, and other way the you can access all of our shows what I told you thirteen days away from the Breeders Cup but not from our coverage, which will begin on the Tuesday before. Breeders Cup. With the first of three Breeders Cup countdown shows. Bobby Newman Jude Feldman with you for two hours Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday morning at Breeders Cup Week to get you set for all of the racing action. You'll hear interviews with owners and trainers, breeders, and handicappers and jockeys. It's going to be a fun week of coverage as it is every single year here on the network and we are proud and privileged to be able to say that we have been the exclusive radio partner of the Breeders Cup World Championships since two thousand seven. Fourteen years and going strong and really appreciate being part of that spectacular event in having it returned to the. BLUEGRASS uric. Keelan makes it even more special. All right second half of the show kicks off with Dr, Jim Chia pet from flair strips that comes up next Josie Carroll the Canadian Hall of FAMER GETS READY TO SADDLE MIGHTY HEART in today's breeder stakes at Woodbine. She's GonNa be with me at nine twenty talking about going for the eighth triple crown in the history of Canadian racing later today and Darren Rogers the director of communications at Churchill talks about their fall meet, which begins tomorrow. That's all ahead. Right after we pause ten seconds for station identification this horse racing radio network. From the rail to your radio this is the horse racing radio network. To late lead Dr Post has booked up with it outside of the second nomadic disturbed butter days. Yard. Many Franko. Up Bound. Much. Thanks. Improbable who has taken command with authoritative run from last I, what a star probable has turned into as he is going to rob in the awesome. Again, welcome to the Equine Forum on our AP runs right by. Around and Rachi sixteenth go honor a pale. Authentic rushing running late, it will be honoring paid very impressive winner of the run. Happy I needed nervy Tom's Day tosh, shake it up shake up to a three length lead by my standards is trying hard but he's still second sober. Does this third multiplayer trying to come on late for fourth but with a sixteenth to go, it's total domination for Tom's day TA. Now, here's Mike. Welcome back hour number two, the Mind Borel, rolling on busy Saturday morning first, half of the show featured by interviews with owner and HR, and colleague Dan Mason Hall of Fame Jockey Chris McCarron. If he missed any portion, all you have to do is head back over to our website horse racing radio dot net. You can listen to the podcast of this show and all of our shows at your leisure horse racing radio dot net is the place to be. Well the poll question today, which you are weighing in on on our twitter feed, and so many of you are taking the time to do that. And I appreciate it with mighty heart going for the triple crown in Canada. Today, it would be just the eighth triple crown winner in the history of Canadian racing. We've had thirteen here in the US. which is more difficult to accomplish the US triple crown. All run on the dirt or the Canadian triple crown run on three different surfaces. The distances are the same. It's the surfaces that change. In Canada. So which is more difficult to accomplish the US triple crown the Canadian triple crown and right now I'm actually. Really surprised by this result, seventy, three percent of HR nation saying the US triple crown, this more difficult to accomplish. I don't know I. Running on three different surfaces in those triple crown races makes extremely difficult to pull off the feat. Seventy three percent of you saying it's the triple crown that's more difficult. We'll have to ask trainer Josie Carroll when she joins me at nine twenty eastern time. But time now to welcome in my good friend Dr Jim, Chia Paddock co-founder of flair strips who has also been involved with another new project that we'll talk about here momentarily. But DOC first and foremost I. Know you're up in the great state of Minnesota Good Morning and happy to have you on board. Hey thanks, Mike, how are you? I am well, how's the everything wherever the hell? Minnesota's how's everything up that way? You know I think like every time you and I talk. It's either during a blizzard a right after blizzard except when I was in Louisville for the Derby this year so I want you to know we once again Harrys. Snowfall. Early in the year. So as I look out on my being fields. I. Still Wonder why I'm living here. I don't WanNa hear anything about snow on October twenty four. How much snow? Did you get doc? I think we've got about six inches but I I still use deer hundred that once in a while. Yes just a coating and then it can go away right after deer season I I grew up in Massachusetts. I've seen enough snow to laugh last me a lifetime. Yeah, that's what I'm feeling here. Too I I've seen plenty so. We'll dock listen We're GONNA talk plenty about flare here over the course of the next several minutes but I I do want to ask you about a new project that you became involved with you launch something brand new at the Kentucky Derby. It's called fantasy eight and we talked about it on this show I promoted it a couple of times. I think it's a fantastic concept how to go and what's next for fantastic. What Mike we're pleased. We launched the Derby and the goal was to put items from jockeys or horses that we're going to be entered in the Derby and particularly items that were used in the Derby. Approximately, before the event occurred and I, think we had around thirty seven items went up We had about five hundred bidders on it, and so for first run, we're very pleased with it. the whole goal is to bring fans in another way so that when those gates open and they see a horse come out, they own a little piece of that horse in one anecdotal I got a call from an executive who who participated on these from the Minnesota United Soccer. Team. And we had set it up so that there was big that went on from the up until about an hour before the gates close and then in that last hour, there was extended bidding only for those people that participated in the earlier bidding. And while I'm not sure that was the smartest thing for us to do because it. It took bidders out who wanted to swoop in in the last minute. EMBIID It's something that's done on some auctions and we were testing things but he called me up I right because. He actually was going to bid on all authentic halter and he. He hadn't been earlier. He thought he swooping at the last minute and he said it didn't happen and he said I've never watched derby in my life so off. and. That's what we wanted to do is going to energize people get them engaged in enthused So he he said you know I I stayed tuned in and now I wanna see what happens next. So I you know whenever you start a project like this you pressure testings things and you try to out what the consumer wants what people like. We're GONNA do the same thing at Breeders Cup. We'll probably do some adjustments. We really want to focus their on items that jockey's put up and focus on the jockey Always think of the jockeys at least from our end is the giants of the industry and it would be great to focus on them as well as supporting Moore charities in the money that's raised through Fantastic. Well you're not a website guy necessarily doc. You are a veterinarian by trade and just kind of are are you practicing now? Mike I I don't I quit. I quit practicing many many years ago when I've been involved I'm actually an attorney and I figured the world didn't have enough of them. So I went back law school. And spend my life in human medical product development. So I, I've worked for a company called Boston scientific where we made pacemakers and cardiovascular stamps and. Devices for people with Parkinson's disease, and so I spent a good chunk just working with the development and approval of of human medical products which is fairly. heavily regulated industry. Any product that gets put into patients you have to have a lot of data and evidence. So I've been kind of in in that world of heavy duty data science evidence. Outside of my equine ventures as well. Talking with Dr Jim Chia the CO founder of flair nasal strips. Let's talk about flare dot. Can you start by giving a quick review of how flair works and then we'll talk about some of the benefits you know it's really simple. Horses only breathe through their nose when they're running, they can't breathe through their mouth. And as as many parts, the horse they were Kinda designed by committee, and in this case, there's an area tissue. Over the nasal passages, a horse that is unsupported by bone, and so when worth Horse Greasy in that tissue get sucked down and in so doing it just narrows the nasal passage who makes it harder for them to bring air in? and. All flair does is is put up a little bit of support on those nasal passages. So they don't collapse in and it's it's nothing magical. Law Physics call posses law that says if you have a slow through a tube and you open it by an increment to one, your resistance to flow goes down sixteen fold. So just providing a little bit support, their helps a horse breed easier and particularly at a time when just the act of running room hard is in fact causing the Nasal passages to close down further you know then when they're standing still. So when you look at a horse running not their nostrils, the area behind the nostrils, which is the narrowest part of the upper airway that's get sucked in and actually closes down during intensive exercise and all we're trying to help support that like any other tissue you want to support. The late so that it doesn't collapse down we maintain that tube as as open viable as possible. One of the hot topics in racing over the past several years has been E. I. P. H., which is exercise induced pulmonary hemorrhaging. At otherwise known as bleeding and the debate over using lasix, not using lasix. What might alternatives Beata lasix all of those types of things we've heard about it ad nauseam really in the sport of thoroughbred racing over the past several years. How does flare actually help with? Ph Doc. So, Michigan State had done some work US years ago to show that the strips reduce resistance to breathing. And if you think about a horse when they're pulling a lot of area in there like a big bellows. And when that bellows opens up, they're pulling a lot of air through that hole and and that creates a lot of resistance guy named John, West? Really sorted out the the mechanism of action of what's going on with horses that. Lead and what West showed that. It's it's really due to these pressure swings. Within the long as you've got a high positive pressure in the blood vessels as the blood flowing through and on the other side of the wall of the vessel, you got a really strong. Pressure and so. Just having those two forces on this fragile membrane caused it to rupture and when it ruptures that's wouldn't. blood vessels escape into the airways. So it's all surrounded around this this to down in the lungs and what what flair does. Is, it reduces the amount of vacuum pressure if you think about a vacuum sucking something. The power vacuum a little lower. So it sucks a little less. It pulls less on that wall in tears. It has less chance at tearing. Because, as I said on the other side of that wall, you've got a really high blood pressure because the horses heart is beating. Quickly pumping more blood lasix works to reduce that earn internal pressure in the blood vessels. So if you think of a balloon. And you're putting a whole bunch of force inside to expand the balloon and then someone standing outside. Yanking on the outside of it at some point, it's going to break and that's what happens. So lasix works to reduce the pressure from the inside and flair works to reduce the pressure. From the outside and either alone or with Lasix, it reduces the amount of bleeding that occurs. And that membrane is really really fragile people talked about well, maybe we can feed them something to to make that membrane thicker stronger. And while in theory, that's a great idea. if we could do it for bleeding the reality is reason horse has got the athletic capability that they do or at least one of the reasons is a really efficient at moving oxygen and carbon dioxide back and forth in the body that makes them. You know the ability to do this is because it goes back and forth over. That membrane surrounding those blood vessels. That's about one hundred to sickness of a human hair. And you need that and if you make it thicker, you make stronger. So it breaks less. But. You're also gonNA take away the capabilities of which is to be able to move oxygen and carbon dioxide back and forth. So we live with this fragile balance as we're going to do with any athlete up, you know the elite of their game that. you know these horses are finely tuned. So we're trying to maintain the appropriate balance on that membrane. So the blood. Stays in the blood vessels and not outside the into the airways, which is what occurs with bleeding. So let's say that Lasix does indeed get phased out or continues to be phased out it more racetracks and more jurisdictions around the country how The. Impact flair dot. Well. Obviously flair given that there's so much research on it. It should impact flair. You know positively I think I don't want to get into the. Debate but I think we need to do some some better research on what's going on. We spent fifty years with the same drug and we really haven't gotten any better at how we can reduce it. So you know the subsidy is the mother of invention and I think as we look for better solutions, it's going to cause us to look. At the at what's going on down there I think years ago a guy named Jim Rooney. Dr? Rooney wrote a book on the Bio mechanics if he lameness and he looked at. The physics and the mechanical aspects of what's going on in the orthopedic frame of A. Horse. To better understand lameness, we need to do the same thing with the lungs and look at the bio mechanics of the lungs and why What's going on down there? You know, how do we? How do we impact maybe the elasticity of these blood vessels so they're more able to withstand the pressures at the subjected to. So I think player should at least stain where it's at right hope move up with with more usage obviously I'm in the business of selling nasal strips. But I'm also in the business I'm looking for things that have good science and I think the one thing we want to be mindful of. Is Looking at data, and as I said, I came from a background of heavy data and that's what I look for in. I see a lot of things popping up out there I think trainers and horsemen embedded areas generally need to. Look at the data challenge today. Then ask questions there are. You know we've we've had a lot of research done with flair side by side with lasix. A, lot of these studies have been cited for the quality of the studies. And that's what we want to see is let's learn more. Let's try things but let's really understand what's going on at the. At the cellular level, and this is where we need to continue to fund research for. Students in the veterinary world better understand it I think Hopefully, we can come up with things You know you're constantly evolving trying to make things better for these animals the more we learn. And I'm hoping it's going to move things in that direction overall the science. The a problem with racehorses is is they're not lab rats and I say that without the in too harsh lab rats but these studies aren't cheap they're very. Very expensive because for research institutions to maintain a herd of horses that we can study. Gets gets outrageous in in cost, and so we have to find ways to for researchers to normalize standardize what they're doing. So even if they're only working with ten horses here and ten horses there. They, they've at least done enough standardization that we can pull those small populations into bigger populations to give us better evidence. On what's going on? So you know the goal is to continue to get smarter and improve what we can do these with these horse to keep them healthy and I I think you know a lot of people are motivated now to continue to look if we don't have license to to rely on for the flu work, it's been doing this space for years. Well. DOC will encourage people head over to the flare website, which is flair STRIPS DOT COM to learn more about the strips how they work and to place an order to they can do that flair strips dot com appreciate the visit and this interview. All our interviews brought to you by embrace the race the apparel for the horse racing lifestyle where you love and embrace your passion at embraced the race Dot Com Daca let you go shovel the driveway and appreciate the visit my friend Hey make good talking to you have a great day All right FLAIR SCRIPTS DOT com the place to go for more information. On Dr Jim Chia pet and that really really outstanding product. So many horsemen are using now going to get to another break when I come back, it is time for my interview with Josie Carroll, the Hall of Famer going for the triple crown at Woodbine. Later, this afternoon with a very talented mighty heart. This is the forum on H.. R. N.. Racing is closing weekend in Santa Anita. Don't miss a minute of the action at Santa. Anita Dot com that's right. Are Races are available, live and free of charge on our website, and you can also watch and wager via. I. Bet Dot Com that's the number. 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Robert Geller with the call, the Queen's plate the Prince of Wales both going to mighty hard here and twenty twenty, and this afternoon will go into the starting gates of the breeders stakes at Woodbine looking to sweep the triple crown and become just the eighth triple crown winner in the history of Canadian racing mighty heart trained by Canadian Hall of Famer Josie Carroll who would join me shortly. she will be our industry star of the week on this Saturday morning this segment coming up. We'll be presented by our friends, Stuart Morris, who as I tell you each and every week wants to thank his owners, his clients and his team. He knows his success is because of you a multiple stakes horses over the past three years including Henley's joy our brain trust Malagasy in South Bend Stewart. Morris is your source for success at the highest levels. You can visit the Stuart Morris consignment at all of the upcoming major sales. We'll Josie Carroll is an industry star and it is an honor to have her as part of the program. Again, this morning she joins me from Canada on a morning that has to be a little bit different for her going for the triple crown later today. Josie Good Morning happy to have you onboard. Okay morning. Looking forward to the big horse strutting his stuff this afternoon When I say going for a Canadian triple crown or eight triple crown, what do those words mean Josie Carroll it's a very exciting day. I have I. Have To say you know we've we've been fortunate to to play a lot of a lot of Nice races but. You don't often get the chance to be a contender for the for the triple crown. How special is this horse? Josie? I I can't even tell you. He's just seems. The more you ask them the more he gives you. Improve improves it'll be a big test you know mile and a half on the grass you know proves himself out attic. He's Chris. Tough on dirt and now you're going a long way on a Thursday. If, he can pull this off. He's pretty extraordinary horse. I'm so glad you brought that up because I did a poll question on our HR and twitter feed today and I ask people which of the triple crowns, the US triple crown or the Canadian triple crown is more difficult to accomplish and I've always been of the opinion is the Canadian triple crown because you have to win on three different surfaces that distances are the same but the the surfaces are completely different and that takes a very special horse doesn't it? It doesn't need. So, would you agree this the Canadian triple crown harder to accomplish? You know I wouldn't say that I think it's it's it's like totally differently. You know we are to be fair running in you know restricted race for Canadian breads So we don't have quite A. Large number of the that may show up for the race. You know they're obviously the US has a much larger full crops that could show up for the triple crowns versus you know our. Population here but. As we said to do it on three surfaces, I don't know that. Anybody triple triple crown horses that have won all of them on the dirt We'll be able to do it. It's hard to say. What gives you the confidence that mighty heart can handle this mile and a half turf test later today. You know. I mean pedigree says he will. He skipped over worked in on it. I had on the EP Taylor course last week he skipped over it but truly I don't think until you ask a horse to go on a hock- you really don't know if they're going to get that trip it's You know it's the truth has the stamina. Yet have speed I mean you have to have. Everything everything to accomplish this. Yet his sire drafty. You go back and look at his record. He won the Alcorn at keeneland going a mile and a half on the turf. So that has to give you some confidence to you talk about the pedigree. It's all there for mighty heart. The pedigree. The pedigree's the pedigree's there. You know I guess You know now we just have to beat eleven other horses also nice horses trying to do the same thing. Yeah. Were you surprised to see eleven horses entered in this race against him? Know I actually was a little bit But. You know it's a it's a great deal of money and everybody has right take their shot like. Yeah. No doubt about it talkie with Hall of Fame Trainer Josie Carroll here on the Horse Racing Radio Network. She again trains mighty heart goes for the triple crown later, this afternoon at Woodbine in the breeder stakes mile and a half on the turf Josie has this week or this morning felt any different to you coming into a an opportunity like this? Actually, this whole week has has been a little different Got A lot of media attention. He's He's a great feel good story. That's sort of captured a lot of. A lot of people's imagination. So we have a lot of people showing interest. in this race and this horse. So that makes it a little different. I can remember we broadcast American Pharaoh winning the triple crown here on the network broadcast justify winning the triple crown and I can remember having conversations with Bob Baffert before those races and he talked about going back and watching the other US triple crown winners in how they were prepared for that final leg and he tried to take something from each one of them that he could use with American fare win justify. Gone back and watched the other seven triple crown winners are talk to any by one the breeder stakes, multiple times or anything like that. Interesting, question you know certainly looked at all those horses races but at the end of the day, I think this is a very unique horses. Style. He's A horse. It's going to either on the pace or close to the pace. can't really make a lot of adjustments so. Really, have to let him run his race at the end of the day. Josie you didn't come from a racing family or go to the track as a child in here you are with an opportunity to train the eighth triple crown winner in the history of Canadian thoroughbred racing at could you ever Imagine Josie? Carroll would be in this position. Amazing right pretty. Amazing. I I love this sport I I love racing and kicked an honor to. In this position. Busy Yeah. It really is an honor. It's an honor to talk you every time. We have the chance and you're always so gracious with your time really appreciate it I. Know It's a busy day for you. So I'll let you go all the best with mighty heart later. Today, we'll be watching and we'll be cheering. Thank you very much. Josie Carroll here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Yeah I mean she did not. She I remember she join me on my trainer talk show Gosh was probably. Maybe, five years ago now. And at that point, she trained six hundred and eight winners in her career, and she has now saddled well over eight hundred I believe I think it's the number's eight, fifty, two. Yeah. Eight, fifty, two according to Echo. Base. Multiple graded stakes winning trainer, and now sitting here with a chance to win. The triple crown. But she did not she didn't come from a racing family. She didn't go to the track as a child but she always. Had A passion for thoroughbreds and for horse racing and from the time that she was very, very young. She followed racehorses and kept charts of their races and that's how she I got interested in thoroughbred racing she graduated with honors. In an associate degree in equine studies from Humber. College. And then worked. With John Senior for some time. who was at the time training for the prestigious King Haven farm if you remember and ended up as his assistant traveling between Florida and Canada while she learned very, very well and somebody who didn't grow up around the sport, she has just sorta say fallen in love with that in the native of Toronto Canada. Boy Hoping for big things later today as she looks to settle the first triple crown winner in Canadian racing since Wando. Pulled off the feet back in two, thousand, three and good luck to Josie. Good. Luck to mighty heart. horse it is is all heart he has been very, very good in dominating restricted bread coming at like. I asked her the question right which one's more difficult to accomplish US triple crown. The Canadian. Triple Crown I've always said the Canadian triple crown because of the as I've talked about because of the. Various services that you have to compete on, but she points out keep in mind. That it's Canadian breads, only restricted Canadian breads. So you don't typically faced the type of competition you phase in the US triple crown with horses coming from all over the country all over the world. So that's a whole different scenario. And maybe it is a little bit of apples to oranges in some respects because of that fact, but the fact still remains you have to win. Three triple crown races on three different surfaces up in Canada, and that's what mighty heart will try to do later today. All right it is time now for our monthly visit with the folks at four roses Bourbon and Brent Elliott is the master distiller at four roses and. Caught up with him not long ago and I asked him to talk about his new small batch select, which is the newest product, and they're going to roll it out and even more states coming up in twenty twenty one but it's kind of the newest offering from four roses and he talked about the regular. For. Roses. Small batch and then the small batch select here's what Brent had to say. Original small batch was launched in two, thousand six and really that's when we created the small batch platform, and that's where we go back to our library of ten recipes and use different combinations to create truly different products. And with the original, that was four recipes, ninety proof six and seven year old barrels that go into it, and then sometime in two, thousand, seventeen, two, thousand, eighteen, we saw that there was some changing the band in the market people are looking for different types of products specific non chill filtered products or higher proof products. So thought that was a great opportunity to go ahead and expand on the small batch concept by. A new small batch product. So what we did is we decide to do a non chill filtered higher proof. This is one hundred, four proof Bourbon and to expand on small concept we. Went into our ten recipes and I selected six of the recipes and did a lot of test blending to try to hit just the perfect flavor profile that would both be. Very good and also from our other products and I think we've really achieved that with this one, it's it's very unique from the other products it's. Very rich robust being non chill filtered and a higher proof. You get a lot more intense flavors coming through the very rich, very nice Bourbon. Yeah. There's no doubt about it and I've been a fan of the small batch for a very long time I the original small, Batra? Have a bottle of it sitting on my bar right now as a matter of fact, and the small batch select really i. I always liked small bats because I always thought it was a smooth easy drink are really enjoyed the flavor of it and the small batch select was just the next step in that progression and it was as you kind of a more robust type Bourbon and man I was fantastic previous thing. So how much trial and error was there when you were going through and trying to get the right blend the right formula, the right flavor, the right concept when you're when you're putting this whole thing together. Brent. I hard to really put a time on it because I worked on it sort of at my own pace I took my time with it for probably the better part of a year. But. It wasn't like formulating limited editions where it's you know pull the barrels and I need to blend everything together and come up with the tests blend within two months. You know this we knew it was coming was a lot of preparation time. So I had a lot of time. To describe variations of see how different recipes work together, what percentages we needed to achieve the flavor profile that ultimately became small that select. Is this the flavor profile you thought you were going to come up with when you first started the process In the direction of the final flavor profile because really. The. One of the cornerstones of the unique flavor profile is. How we utilize the F.. E. Strains which. At five string. That's the one that creates kind of spear mindy herbal flavors, and so I had in the back of my mind for a while that was really what we utilize to set this apart from the other products, and so every test was kinda based around that f you strain trying to see what other east rains would work well with it and create new and unique flavors. So innocence I kinda had an idea of the direction, but it wasn't till I got in lab started doing all the plans that you know the the blends and the learning to the process directed us to. What we landed on, which is what you taste on the fourth of July. Yeah I think I said to my text was easy to see why you were. Given that award as master distiller of the year, and I'll echo sentiments again, well, done with four roses, small batch shellacked and with all the bourbons at four roses and Brett will encourage people to go to four roses Bourbon Dot Com to learn more about everything that four roses offers I really appreciate the visit again here this morning my friend keep up the wonderful work and will continue to be mellow and be responsible before roses at sounds. Great My. When I come back, I'm going to visit with Darren Rogers who is the director of communications at Churchill downs. He'll look ahead to the fall meet which kicks off tomorrow right here on the equal forum on H. R. R. N. The Breeders Cup runs here there will be. A fourth juul. He's A. Credit to the sport of America. Has, felt a grand slam. The Breeders Cup Classic Wins It in two minutes only on HR. 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My name is able Ghana's listen to or racing radio network. You're listening to the Equine Forum on the Horse. Racing. Radio Network Tom, day todd decisively from the now third now second then coming up on the outside of come off the turn Mr freeze defend off toms data who's rally other front with three sixteenths to go. Mr Freezes battling on those major cabbies further back in third on one deal. With draft pictures one for a long ago Tom Day pod got a four length clean at the sixteenth. All vistor freeze trying to hold per second. But Thomas, day Ta has conquered the Clark wrapped up in the end to win it by threes. Piper Second Dail came flying late to Mr freeze draft pick for. Welcome back to equine forum right here on H. R. N. Mike. Barron the backstretch with you on this Saturday morning. One more segment to go before we wrap things up and it's a big one turning our attention to churchill downs in the opening of their fall meet, which occurs tomorrow that meet runs through November twenty, nine, th that was travis stone. You just heard him with the call of last year's Clark Handicap and Tom's day TA. For. Trainer. Al Stall getting the victory. He is one of the horses that figures to get some money in this year's Breeder's Cup classic maybe some people would say the horse beaten he's been in great form here in twenty twenty and would be a second Breeders Cup. Classic Victory For al Stall after getting the victory with blame back in two thousand and ten knocked off Xanada. The Clark is always a highlight of that fall meet the one, hundred, thirty, I fall meet commences tomorrow and joined now by Darren, Rogers director of communications at Churchill to preview what you can expect over the next several weeks Darren first of all good morning and by the way I know you have a big smile on your face after your dodgers went up two games to one over the raise last night. YEP WE'RE UP TO ONE it's been a long time between drinks mike since Kirk Gibson hit that home run and nineteen, eighty eight. But hoping the this could be the year we're just at the half pole of the race. So can't get too excited, but it's nice to be A. Up Two games to one and we've got Julio. On the on the bump tonight. I saw a stat I. Guess. It was maybe on ESPN yesterday where they were talking about the series in the team that wins that third game when the series is tied, one to one gets that two games to one advantage wins like sixty something percent of the world series when that happens so. The odds are in your favor. Odds are during the favourite, but that means forty percent of the time. They. Come on your cloud. Kind of. Guy. I'm not look I'm a I'm a lifelong dodger's fan and I'm not GonNa try and Cry Wolf like you know the old cup fans and red sox fan I just telling yeah, I. was a fleet footed shortstop in highschool the last time the the dodgers won the world series. Say That's a long time ago. Well that's series continues tonight. Is that right? Game Number Four? Does Yep Yeah you said. Okay. All right well, that that happens tonight. So you'll be up watching that game but tomorrow we get a chance to get up early and tackle the one, hundred, thirty, I fall. meet at Churchill downs, which figures to get off to a rousing beginning with the first of two stars of Tomorrow Programs Eleven races tomorrow all for two year olds. I post one PM that is such a great concept Darren and I know it's really caught on with horsemen. Yeah this is the the sixteenth year that Churchill downs is hosted this and you know, of course, we have one on opening day tomorrow, and then we have one at the tail end the meat. But you know stars of Tomorrow you know started in two thousand and five, and it's helped launch the careers you know of numerous graded stakes winners but it it's been more than fifty future grade one winners. You've had the you know the horse of the year champions Gunrunner Rachel Alexandra. Twenty ten derby winner Super Saver You've had a trio of Kentucky Oaks winners emerged from their Rachel Alexandra believe you can monoploy girl trio of preakness winners was added this year with the he hits Shackelford War of will and then Swiss skydiver. And then a couple of Belmont winters as well. Creator and you remember Tis law finish third and last year's Kentucky Jockey Club. So it's really produced You know it lives up to its name. Stars of tomorrow we love it. We have eleven racist tomorrow. There's an average field size of more than that nine and a half horses race. So should be some excellent betting on Sunday for the first of twenty four days. Yeah it's GonNa be a great card and it's always a fun meet. It's a different type of meat than we're used to seeing in the spring when all the attentions on the Kentucky Oaks and the Kentucky Derby and that seems to be. Let's just put it this way I think the fall meet tends to be a little more laid back much like keeneland fall me is more laid back than their spring meet it's kind of the same concept isn't it? It is and and I'm with you like I really really enjoyed the race because you. You have a lot of two year olds and and and obviously the in nineteen pandemic. I think it's safe to say that a a lot of the juvenile's year or even behind schedule just a bit and we're GonNa see a lot of you know promising two year olds uncorked at the meat. You have horses that are seeking you know end of the year maybe graded stakes glory. We have ten stakes races You Know Worth One point eight million dollars over the course of the five weeks. And then you have, you know some horses that have been freshened up they're preparing for maybe winter campaigns data. At Gulfstream Park Oaklawn Park fairgrounds etc. a turf way park to this year with with with the the installation and the improvements of the the Topeka up there you're gonNA see a lot of Kentucky Horseman sticking around here in the wintertime. So yeah, it's it's such a tremendous meet betters. Love it. You have some competitive full fields typically with less competition around the rest of the country. You know. There's more horses that are coming in and will average nearly nine horses race. If the the recent past is any indication. Yet speaking of fans tomorrow will mark the first time. This year that spectators can return to churchill downs for live racing. It will be an unlimited capacity tell more about that. That's exciting news. Yeah, we're looking forward to this Mike You know we're GONNA continue a church announced follow the covid nineteen you know health and safety protocols. for venues and events that's been mandated by the Commonwealth of Kentucky. and. You know people ask how many how many people you can allow in well when you need it Oh in advance you know with the cooler weather, you know this time of year last year's average daily attendance during the fall me the church is about forty, two hundred guests and we're going to expect much less than that i. in fact I I think it's safe to say I. We'd be thrilled if we could meet half of that. I the demand's not there. You look at other sporting events Some people don't want to come out still, but there are others that are itching to get back to the racetrack and we have successfully you know. During the tail end of the spring meet obviously during the the September me We had participants with owners on hand. We WanNA start welcoming back some of the guests and as you know, as we were leading up to Kentucky Derby one forty six. We were prepared to Host you know crowd of up to twenty, three, thousand people But you know taking a look at the numbers with with Kentucky and speaking with the the governor's office. You know we just thought it was best to to to pull back on that. So we're ready now at a much lower capacity we're gonNA have some of the select rooms on the clubhouse side open you know the turf club that Rose Lounge, the stakes room as well. Everything is going to be you know totally Socially distanced limiting news indoor premium areas with the proper social, distancing the the limited capacity for the state's requirements for venue and event spaces so we're not selling general admission you will you know if you if you plan to come out to Churchill downs you can go onto churchill downs, dot com click on tickets or you could walk up to one of the box office gates To sell first floor box seats. At. Mission pricing for just five dollars. That way we can you know capture name and number for each individual that's on the property, and by the way the masks are mandated throughout You can remove it if you're eating or drinking, and we'll have a medical questionnaire and then take a temperature check for everybody that comes through the facility. But we're looking forward to to to to to having some folks back and I think you know the whole race in industry. I think you could speak for all the tracks that have been up and running. This is it. It's just been unique. It's been strange. Not hearing crowds and it'll be nice to hear people again. As the horses, come down the stretch to hear some people cheering rooting clapping for the winters as they return back on the Gallop back to the winter circle take the I. Know We've missed it as you know, track operators. I'm confident the jockeys and the trainers and the owners have felt the same. So we're looking to get back to a little bit of normalcy, but in a responsible fashion. Yeah Amen to that how about concessions betting windows those types of things Darren will will there be some that will be open or none at all. Yeah? NO WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA open up the second four clubhouse. Okay. We'll also have some dining as well. Betting Windows we'll be open there'll be spaced apart again, we don't expect. You know a big crowd. I, I would I would I would expect I think we. You know a couple of thousand people even everybody asks about Thanksgiving Day, I can tell you our our ticketing department you know is reached out to a number of the customers the box seat holders, Turf Club members what are what are their pensions and we you know you get a pretty good idea that demand really isn't there and I think that's not unique to horse racing. That's an any sporting event that's existing right now even the college football stadiums. You know. If you see a football stadium that says they permitted up to twelve thousand bands. There scratching and clawing to get to those twelve thousand fans amazingly because the demand just is there yet with where we are with with the pandemic. Talking with Darren Rogers the director of communications at Churchill downs, of course, the fall begins tomorrow runs all the way through the end of November November twenty ninth. I will be the final racing Wednesday through Sunday and the twenty four day stand should be extremely popular with better than with horsemen alike Darren, we talked about the stars of tomorrow programs the first one coming up on Sunday. The next one will be later in. November with Jockey Club, gold, Cup and the Goldenrod, both of those great twos on that program on November. Twenty Eighth Black Friday you have the grade one Clark which is presented by Norton Healthcare that's on November twenty seventh, and that's always a popular event. Of course that being a great one and being such a prominent historic race anything else that we're missing here. Any other highlights that people should know about with this meat. Well I think most importantly right now they should know that we're continuing to partner with the New, York Racing Association and they'll be able to watch every race every day on. Fox sports one or Fox sports to America's Day at the races. They do such a tremendous job Sunday's opener will be on F S to starting at twelve thirty it. It's been a great partnership. The program is really good. It's nice to see the. In High Definition, and for those folks that you know either can't make it out or they're at home they enjoy watching going to a sports bar College football maybe the NFL don't be afraid to have them turn on the channel as well. 'cause I know I've been doing that in the off season and I think it makes a a great way to to showcase the sport they really do a good job. Fantastic stuff they do they do a great job over there and Glad to see the Churchill continues to partner with them and we'll have the product out there listen man enjoy the world series enjoy that fall meet and as always greatly appreciate you taking the time to to spend a few minutes here this morning. Mike always great to talk to you best to you in the family and good luck to all the listeners out there. Stay. Safe and healthy. That's Darren Rogers here on H. R. N. and like all of our guests that appear on the program, this interview is brought to you by embrace the race the apparel for the horse racing lifestyle where would you love and embrace your passion by going to embrace the race dot com and had a chance to visit with Mike? Dean. 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Rock And Roll Heaven: Lost To Covid- John Prine (unedited)

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Rock And Roll Heaven: Lost To Covid- John Prine (unedited)

"You Dig into rock and Roll Heaven podcast with L. D. and T. J. do. Is Willing to rock and roll heaven the gas where we talk about the lives careers and Jessica famous musicians I am your host lv along with me for the ride is Mr William Hickey N. T J two outing. I have you. Hey. We got that three way going we talked about and we we also don't about using freeze I. Remember. Yeah I'm going to have to go With Lasso for something now that was yeah that's really scraping. If you guys don't know I'm married to will and Tj to is my big brother. So we're not we're from. South. Carolina. But we're not from. Arkansas. So. Not. To disparage anybody from Arkansas. We. Love our. Not. Quite. Quite from far enough south for that, actually be a sign. I, it's. True. But who's our first across cruised episode? Isn't it? Well? Technically. Yes. So if you guys will notice, there might be a little bit of difference in audio quality. That you guys are used to so sorry because we're actually having to conduct this on zoom which we've never done before. But is never done zoom before and show everybody because this is only the second time. I've ever been on this program how technically imposition I am when when when L. Day told me hey, we were do this over zoom. I. Said Okay I'll make my wife may there be zoom my phone Yeah. You must've had like you didn't get your first cellphone until you were like, what thirty six it was like. Yeah I haven't had I haven't had them for very long. I had a flip phone until about five years. I mean you got your first phone two, thousand twelve seriously. Didn't you? It was it was a little before that but not much. Yeah I had my Ninety five, ninety, six I had my cell phone. Yeah. Well, but the thing is that. For for loyal listeners of your program, they know this is my second episode. I did upset with you impact in Ezio when you were at home for Christmas in. So having gone back and listen to that recently, I'm trying to figure out what Ernie the return invite was it like the lack of preparation or the ulker vocal policies or the inappropriate jokes or the fact that I was drunk by the end of it I'm trying to figure out what exactly make you go like? Yeah let's let's let's. Let's have him back. We're you know we've actually talked to the network and they thought that it was a great idea that we do it with like family like because there's not really a a show based on family and I think they're really liked the dynamic that median you and will bring to the table and modules was MATZEC. That's interesting because my guess was lots of people said No. Now actually. Look. A long list of people's names that had XS throw them in she was like. My brother. Yeah. Yeah, it's. And as we go into this, I'm just going to point out and everybody I'm having a beverage It is a Ginger Ale, and vodka and wage of Lemon and. I'm not just drinking to be drinking. This is relevant to the episode I am willing to suffer for my craft. Question boy us just suffer with every sale was that with the preparation of the drink correct because that's apparently what makes it. Yes yes. It was a vodka and Ginger Ale with a wedge of lemon drop in from six inches above the glass but not squeezed does with the power to make this particular beverage called a handsome Johnny. Well. It's goes into it. That's that's. The lemon that's. Apparently the dropping the limit from from exactly six inches above the glass or the Yeti low ball tumbler my cases apparently key. Okay and so for our listeners just so you know. I don't drink at all and my brother makes up for it. You. Might. My sister, my sister, my mother drink but I. Just feel like I need to you know take up the slack. To support fine American companies like Tito's. Well, okay. So Just a quick satellite before we jump actually jump into dystopic. One of the finest music journalist in the world is a Peter Cooper. He's actually from South Carolina and I've I've met eight or an interview several times but he told me a story wants about getting to go to say packers game at Lambeau big sports fans. So that's kind of a bucket list item. And so the people who was with up there took him. And the tail getting there apparently starts very early in the morning. In Green Bay Wisconsin, and so he's sitting around a campfire because it's like it's like Wisconsin freezing and crap because it's Wisconsin in December and this guy pulls out like a giant growl or and he pulls out a bottle of southern. Comfort. Turns it, up over the Tumbler. Then, he takes a can of Sun drop and pours it on top of that. been paid and Peter Said Buddy I'm not I'm not judging or anything but. What are you? What are you doing and the guy said Oh I told my wife I only have two drinks today. This is one. I don't like. Hope also told his wife. He's going to have a severe case of tooth decay because she. Yeah all. These that makes every every part of my adamy her yes. Oh. God. We found squirt today in a store. We didn't buy my we saw. squirt will never sponsor this show. Out Because I, that that guy had a Casal jail gosh. So. I should also tell our audience before we jump in. This is the longest intro we've ever had. I'm sorry and I'm also I'm also not going to edit this episode if I can help it because I don't have the time. Good. Purest form. Harry. So today for our topic a for this series of four episodes we're actually going to be talking about people that we have sadly lost due to covid nineteen I. Know that we you know we lost. This is unprecedented times and we do not WanNa make light of anyone's passing. We certainly want to shine a light on four of people that we feel like made a huge impact in their. Of. Their genres we will be covering today we have TJ twos of subjects, mines, Broadway, and country, and then a this year will the thrill is jazz for accurate. We will be covering for completely separate genres of people and today T J two, who are you covering? we'll because Tom. For those who did not catch the patent SEO episode those who don't know I'm I'm a newspaper writer for my You know like pay the bills job not that I'm not handsomely renumerated doing this podcast but So I actually wrote like a newspaper he kinda lied to it. So I kind of to who it is. Okay. When and just like go ahead and read it. Head Sir Take it away. All right a when Bonnie rait signed the words I am an old woman and to her classic Song Angels Angel From Montgomery it sounded so personal and so introspective that many fans probably assume that she wrote the song for sales but she In Fact Dorado was not old and wasn't even a woman, the lyrics were pinned by a man in his early twenties at the time. that. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, but it also doesn't make sense. For a career of one of America's greatest songwriters could be launched by at movie salt, Papua It doesn't make sense for one artist who have inspired as diverse group is Bob Dylan a bit. Midler. The black keys casey must graves Johnny Cash Arielle How to songs that often tackled issues and view the world through a cynical prism help into lengthy Bill Murray wants down himself. How to someone who barely reach puberty write a song about divorce out of someone who wasn't there right. One of the definitive songs about the plight of Vietnam vets and how to someone barely in his twenties right one of the most lauded songs ever about elder abandoned. It takes someone willing to listen and observe more than Paulk. It takes humility. It takes empathy. It took a man named. John, prime. It's pretty bad ass wasn't. It is. Senior script Jan I was astounded at the web of musical connections. This guy had it's yeah, and this is this is a guy who if you just Listen to the radio and just listen to what's popular. You may not even be familiar with them, but you have definitely heard songs. He's written that have been covered by other people and you. You've certainly heard people that have been influenced by all. So John Prime was born on October tenth nineteen, forty six in the Chicago suburb of Maywood. For those that are familiar with his music but not his life story necessarily that location might come as a surprise given his subtle but very noticeable vocal. And on his early records, it wasn't subtle. Actually it was bakery notable. It was a hillbilly kind of like I am. That's after the fact that his parents, William Mason prime who was a tool and die maker who served as the president of the local US W and his mother Verna, Valentine homemaker, both hailed from paradise. Kentucky. The family which included three other brothers would often visit Paradise during the summers. Fines use those occurrences. Thank you can action plan. Yeah. They would often visit Paradise during the summers of his youth experiences would inspire the Song Paradise which would turn up on his nineteen seventy-one debut album. Unlike meaning artists, especially a lot of the artists that you seem to have covered on the rock and Roll Heaven Podcast Day prime early life was not marked by turmoil or is. A lot of times out of turmoil. Bad situations great artist created. It kind of seems to be a fame that's run through a lot of your podcast. Grapple with like someone who had a half decent childhood, right? But parents had great errands and he genuinely loved his family inside to use like pictures of them on the table on stage when performing up until the end of his life. was sweets yeah. Hey described his mother's being a great storyteller and said his dad shared that trait after quote he drank a few beers madman. His father was an avid country music fan. So prime was raised listening to the likes of Jimmie Rodgers, the Carter, family Hank Williams and other stars of the Grand Ole opry. There was some musical family lineage as his grandfather who was a Kentucky Coal Miner on a part time preacher had formerly played with Merle Travis who co wrote a ring a fire for Johnny cash and Everley, who I think was the either the father of the grandfather of the emily brothers yeah. Prin remembers listening to a remembered listening to music on a beat up old radio that would be mentioned a many years later in the Song Sam Stone that his dad would point towards the south on Saturday nights to get a better reception of the Grand Opry W. Out of Nashville allow. Even during the week, his dad would turn on that radio have a bear in port johnny as his mother called Him Orange Soda. Quote. He talked to me about politics and stuff here. All was six years old prime remembered. His Dad would often take in brothers to a bar. Dad would listen to the JUKEBOX and drank a couple of cold ones while the patrons gave the kids Nichols to play the pinball machine wheels. So this is like an idyllic childhood it almost sounds line produces what? Our parents used to do 'cause lying mom would take us to the summit which was a bar and they had jerry t and video games and they've let his flying. Yup She byles Mozzarella sticks and and let us play Pacman. Wasn't the crack Corcoran barrel the court. Yeah Yup corgan barrel was. And then Campbell's truckstop like that is why. Like the repertory used to go through that phase where he would take us to the hospital. The hospital? With eight at the hospital. 'cause he's never been. Really good. Yeah. So we were basically raised on like unsalted mashed potatoes. Like like all all they would serve hospital cafeteria. Yet from the it was It was a we were fed. That's the bill. On by prins own recollection, he was a very poor student in school. But even from a young age, he had a knack that most good ride share of big oddly observant and noticing things that a lot of people looked. He said quote our would go to class and just stare at something like a button on the teachers sure. He wants told rolling stone she might as well have been up there barking like a dog I'd have no idea what she was actually talking about. Surprisingly, and this is just kind of a little throw in product sale gymnastics much like you did day. which is, which is something he took up at the suggestion of his older brother, Doug. Franz. It was something. He had no natural ability in whatsoever but was nonetheless something that he did. Well. When he could also do well from an early age was write songs in particular despite not having a lot of interest in school books when he was, there's where the every everything you've said so far I've been like this. Is Me the story of L. D.. By tingey to. But I want you to really listen to this when he was fourteen years old proud wrote the song sour grapes and the frying Pan, both of which ended up on his second studio album diamonds in the rough ten years later. Crass Oh so not yet old enough to have a driver's permit he panned the lines. I couldn't care less if I didn't have a friend accept people would say I was crazy a wooden work because i? Don't need the money except the same folks would say I was lazy say Sour Grapes you can laugh and stare say sour grapes but I don't care. And I came home from work this evening there was a note in the front. Am it said fixture on Supper Bay by runoff the fuller? Brush man. Missed away she used to yell at me the way she used to cuss in moon, and if I ever go out and get married again, I'll never leave my wife that. was four frigging teen. I look at things I wrote you know four weeks ago and I'm like this is trash. Say I'm trying to think if I've written a song when I was fourteen sounded like, Barney the Purple Dinosaur Likely I. Love You. You love me ATV's friends media. Hang. Up We just. recenter this conversation on the fact that somewhere in your possession is a list of seven hundred ways to talk about vomit. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. For a while we'll the thrill. Ill. Worked on something called the Big Book of bodily functions. Something like five, six, seven, hundred ways to save puke in. Two hundred ways to poop and I don't. I can't remember several hundred ways to say far BURP and all. I mean, we were we were eloquent and fourteen, I think. We made the video for behavior. Right. Yes. This is. came up with the phrase. Your stomach is rubber the potty. Is. Glue. We were shakes your. Shakespearian. Yes. Nearly we were we were. Yeah. We were really close to John we were really just we're a man. It's like it's like prime TJ to la like in that order. Yeah. And then like Dylan Christoffersen and who the hell else ever. He was also playing guitar bodice time. Two thousand eighteen NPR interview with Terry Gross Prin recalled teaching himself a singer pick while trying to emulate the Blues Country and Oak. stylings of Elizabeth Cotton and Mississippi John Hurt. He said quote when I was fourteen years old at sit in the closet in the Dr in case I ever went blond to see if I could still play products. Cheese crackers yeah. He also said, he said in that interview, it was a good thing that he learned to play without being able to see his fingers or the Har- as his belly had gotten so big, it could no longer himself flying anyway which Kinda starts a little peek into the humor that comes to a lot of songs despite the sometimes Dr Aims that he tackled. Still. PRONTO CBS this morning in two thousand, nineteen that he really didn't learn to play the guitar properly until he was seventeen aside from those dark closet sessions he said he realistically could play about two chords. He said he and his brother locked to play rebel. Rouser, by Duane Eddy that was one of their big ones. what his brother Doug. took up the fiddle. He needed somebody who could play rhythm guitar with him. So Prom. Court. Himself into the instrument a bit more at that time and apparently got pretty good at it. The the funny thing about prime the more I read about him in the more interviews a lot. He's very self effacing. I mean. We're going to get into the the list of people who consider him the greatest songwriter ever Kris Kristofferson, at one point said if God had a favorite songwriter, it's John Prime. That same quite a bit but he he he always talked down his own abilities he was. Tickled to death in one interview us all that there youtube videos that say like learn to pick like John Prien and he's like. I want to do that. In fact, he said that. His all of his songs he's he thought sounded a lot like you said, I. Try to play in a debate and it would still sound like IRA is. So very horrible. Their self abasing duty Ma from even from an early age it sounds like. Upon graduating from high school to. His brother Doug's advice and got a job as a mailman. Those observational skills that he seemed to be born with will likely fostered by both of his parents served him. Well, then as it is natural gift of crafting lyrics, he wrote a number of songs that going to be considered classics while delivering the mail in. Them? In? His. Own. Head. He said, I, wrote a lot of my first album on the mail route because there's not much else to do or mail route told NPR in two thousand seventeen. The best way to write a song is to think of something else and then the solemn kind of creeps in the beginning makes no sense whatsoever it's just like rops and then all of a sudden I'll go into I'm an old woman named after my brother. Apparently when you deliver the mail back, then they actually had these really giant the huge boxes that if it was raining, you could stop at and put your mail in so it wouldn't get wet. Sometimes, he said, he would just sit in those and ran at scribbled lyrics. which although it was pretty interesting. They still have those. I I don't think so. Because I well, because you know now most mail carriers are in. Jeeps or trucks or cars or whatever. I think back then like they actually had like a giant Satchel over the back wall morale for the most bar allow. Okay. Yeah. So if it was Ryan and you needed somewhere to kind of stick your mail so it wouldn't get you know soaking wet or whatever. Right In a grammys interview along with artists. Surgical. Simpson a couple of years ago. Prime said, his songwriting was influenced the most by Chuck Berry actually and also about the bluegrass music that he grew up listening to. He said his early songs quote had a very high body count. Like those bluegrass tunes that he heard in his youth ones where he said quote, a guy would drag his wife down by the river drown or shooter, and then go back to his mom's house wearing a bloody t shirt and thank he had a great day. which if you've listened to a lot of Beluga exactly pretty accurate. Fair. Records the fair yeah. I mean because if you think alike. something. Like old country bluegrass sounds like green green grass a Honam, it's such a pretty song as like yeah. No, it's really not read them. There's a lot of people dying in those songs. Contemporaries would be like Nick Cave right. McKay. Even the bad seed somebody like that, right? Yeah. Okay. So. In late nineteen, sixty, six primes career careers. A mailman took a brief and unplanned date tour when he was drafted into the army. This. was during a time when the conflict in Vietnam and America's role in it were beginning to escalate. So if you got drafted than, you probably have a pretty bad feeling about where you're going you know. Luckily for prime. Sent to the frontlines of combat in Vietnam he was instead sent to West Germany where he worked as a mechanical engineer. He apparently didn't speak much or very highly of his service telling rolling stone at one time that his contributions mainly consisted afloat drinking beer and pretending to fix trucks. but you know maybe and we'll get into this in a little bit as his first album comes out and and there's a song. That's one of his more famous I think seeing guys who did go to Vietnam who didn't get the break of being sent to West Germany or other places where there wasn't active combat going on I think he because he he had a lot of empathy he took note of that. and. He he he saw that he knew that he was luck. You know he knew that. I hate to use the price but that he dodged a bullet. Yeah. So once he returned home, he had actually married his high school sweetheart and Carol before being sent overseas he can resume and mail delivery. But he also began performing in public for the first time. Hitting an open mic night at a bar called the fifth peg in Chicago. which was a gathering spot for music teachers and their students from the nearby old town school, of folk. Folk. Folk. As that word funny you. GotTa be careful. Say Folk. Drinking a handsome johnny during honey. But but that's the there was a a school called the Old Town School of folk or prime actually himself went to his picking and a lot of the students and teachers from there would kind of tumble into this bar late at night now supposedly primes first performance there came after an all you can do better challenge from another performer. and has an Assad to whomever that fellow might man who said that John, Crime Since are Bob Dylan are sure you that John didn't do it better than you? Just say. After his first appearance prime was paid to make a weekly performance there and to listen to the sweet daily got, he got half the house coverage or how about that everybody that came in? That's pretty darn good half. The hat sounds like a generous cut until you realize it cost fifty cents to get into. So he got a quarter for every person who showed up basically. Bill bringing thousand people. What do you want right? Well, now he said he normally brought in about twelve and since one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven, sixty, six. This is a very light sixties right about nineteen seventy at this point on I mean granted a quarter still a quarter. But I think it went a little further in nineteen dig a little further but his hobby was making him a couple extra bucks. Even at this point he he really had no designs on pursuing music as a full-time. Profession. This is when fate intervenes intervened or other or the aforementioned salty popcorn shitty movie chances the course of his life. In October of nineteen seventy. Roger Ebert who was then the movie reviewer for the Chicago sun-times was watching film that he was going to review the entertainment section about weeks newspaper and I think back then on Fridays when they ran the big weekend entertainment section in the Chicago sun-times and in most newspapers. in several interviews recalled subsequent meetings with Ebert or the reviewer details forum. That the movie he was watching was lousy in the theaters. Popcorn was extremely over-salted. He actually, he actually left the screening of the film early and he did so with a draw miles. So he decided to grab a beer. So he stopped into a place called the pay. Someone. At the Bar told him that he should go to the back room and check out the country folk guy who was playing and was assured that quote the kids songs are better than that movie abor did. Roger wrote about Roger wrote about me instead of the movie the next day prime told NPR in two thousand seventeen. The Chicago sun-times. From. Ninety nine seventy featured a back page review of Ebert. The singing mailman who delivers a powerful message few words. A portion of that review rage, he appears onstage with such modesty. He almost seems to be backing into the spotlight. He sings rather quietly and his guitar work is very good but he doesn't show off he starts slow but after a song or to even the drunks in the room, begin to real to listen to the lyrics and then he has you Abbott wrote. And you have to keep in mind. This is a completely different world this fifty years ago there's not an internet. There's no twitter or facebook or any of that kind of stuff. So newspapers still carried a had a lot of power to influence things, and if Roger Freaking Ebert wrote a music review about some guitar picker, it was kind of a big deal i WanNa know what the movie was I looked and look and I could not find it. I tried my best to find. It was apparently just crappy movie from like nineteen seventy. So. Other than Star Wars A lot. But I mean. This is this is something either never finished the correct. Right. Right. Right. He didn't even he didn't even write. He never rode view about it. He didn't say the end of it. He left it saw I saw and he was thirsty. But. So you could probably talk about those even even more. because. You've studied the history of theater and film and all this stuff. If you got a big review a newspaper in the night in like in one thousand, nine, hundred seventy. That was a huge deal that made a big difference then. Because that was that was one of the the try mediums is like you had television you had. You've had movies and then you had newspaper in. So, that those were your as your four types of. Informational outlets and You get your music from the radio you get all your other information either the TV's because at this point, they weren't doing newsreels in front of the if I'm if I'm remembering correctly there. Because TV had become a larger medium within the sixties. Kind, there was A. It was a larger medium, but we have to remember nineteen seventy especially in rural areas like we were from not everybody even had a TV. That's true. But then you always had the radio with short, which has always since its advent has maintained. A resident in. Reporting like we I mean, I still listen like I probably comes to shock to any of our listeners that I still listen to am. I don't really listen to FM radio I only listen to radio. And other podcasts and that's pretty much it. So like it's it hasn't been until the advent of the Internet where we had things like twitter where we could get. We're literally I found out a couple of hours after Wolford grimly had died that he died. Right. Ends, up what's happened today or up he will for Bromley Yeah we're. We're actually has a the today as we record this. Yes because there were there were there were much fewer gatekeepers I. Guess is the word I'm looking for you right now you could tweet something to put it on facebook or instagram or whatever, and and thousands of people can say a few minutes. Ledley when we had the earthquake, which was not a pleasant thing to wake up to I thought I literally tweeted the word earthquake at like four thirty in the morning and then you texted me like four minutes later you're like I saw your tweet now like I'm fine. Yeah. But but there were but but now anybody can throw something online up online thousands of people can see it in a few seconds. It wasn't like that sixty years ago. Now, only the majority of households might not have had a television at that point. What if you got a big back page review written by Roger, Ebert in a big major daily newspaper that was a big deal? Yeah he's really deal. It's a trusted source. To. His for someone to supersede would he typically talks about that would be like doing an episode on I don't know an episode of the Sopranos? Right nights it's like something that is Not In our technical wheelhouse and we just take a divergence into that. The review from Ebert went onto marble at prins turn of a phrase in his biting lyrics he said the Song Sam Stone, which is about a morphine addicted Vietnam vet. went by different title Tom, quote says more about the last twenty years in America than any doesn't adolescent acid rock piece dirges. And he cited the lime quote there's a hole in the arm there's a hole in daddy's arm the money goes and Jesus Christ died for nothing I supposed. You hear lyrics like that. Perfectly fitted deprives quietly confident style and his goes to the Kentucky accent and you wonder how anyone could have so much empathy and still be looking forward to his twenty fourth birthday. Pretty lofty price yeah yeah. After that Review Ryan interest in prime spiked, he started playing three nights a week one night a week, and the house was not only full every night there was a land outside the door every night he played. He started playing shows at the earl of Old Town and was paid one thousand dollars a week under the table so Nice that sound like all the money in the world is someone who is taking home less than five hundred dollars a month delivering the mail. Saying. He said quote Mago was getting out of the post office. I was a mailman walking in the snow six days a week twelve hour days I thought this is heaven once got out I king of the hill I slept white all week and made a thousand dollars a week. I didn't care. If I never did anything else I was a total one hundred percent success. With starting to build, he attracted the attention of other songwriters one of those. Whose name actually going to withhold for just a minute urged his friend Kris Kristofferson to go to a prime show in Chicago. It was late and the earl was closed when the two arrived but the door was still a lot. So the two men came and found prime wedding around to get paid. They, they're urging prime pulled out his guitar and played. Kris Kristofferson who at the time his career was exploding already being acknowledged as one of the best songwriters in the world recalled quote about end of the first land we knew we were hearing something else. It must have been stumbling onto Bob Dylan when he first busted out onto the village same. So, Kris Kristofferson upon hearing. Of the first on. Any heard by the guy compared him to Bob Dylan? I'm just GONNA. Kinda, let that just sit marinate for a second while I drank some more this handsome johnny. Chris Christopherson is one of those people that I'm going to be really sad to episode on with that Man is keys a Rhode scholar golden gloves. Boxer. Award winner winner. Randy. Wetter like. Hugh look at his life and you're like crap I have done nothing with us saw as a human being because. Having for a while because he can probably talk about taking time. Yeah. Sure. Definitely. But you think I want you to think about this. Do you think about all of his what he stands for and his political stances and stuff but I want you to think about the fact that give even in spite of all that he volunteered to go to Vietnam. Bon tiered. and was told, no, no no, you're too valuable. We need you teaching it West Point. I mean. I don't know how you can't respect the dude. Helicopter was not the story. Yeah. Yeah okay. So the this goes back to the Felon Peter Cooper I mentioned at the very beginning because I asked him about this one time when I interviewed him. Johnny cash alleges that Kris Kristofferson quote commandeered a helicopter from the National Guard armory. Nice. Way of saying stole jacket. and fluid to Johnny, cash's house landed it in his backyard and he got all holding a beer in one hand and a cassette type in the other and handed cash the cassette type, right? So. Cooper. told me. He interviewed Christoffersen once and asked him about that Chris it. You know it. Took two hands to fly helicopter at that time. So you know John exaggerated a little bit. Which is the best Christoffersen I can do and. Our families is full of people who can do incredible. Imitations like that was that was that was a that was a spot on imitation of. Like he was hacking into this zoom session, people go into that section think Internet and Chris Christopherson. If to hack into the zoom session, our code is eleven Wa Four Seasons. Joe quoted Chris. Pride said quote there was nobody in the world I would rather have been playing songs for at the time. When S. was going well, what was going through his mind as he was playing for Kris? Kristofferson. He joked beer. which may not actually have been A. because. He said, he often had a couple of beverages for started singing for people back then. Prime was soon offered a one album deal with del Mar records, but the deal call for him to only do a few of his own compositions in a number of covers. It's odd that any deal would not have focused more on Prins, own songs and just put emphasis on his singing since prion really didn't like the sound of his own voice then. Hey recall wanting to run out of the studio and listening to his vocal playbacks in studio early recordings. So he ultimately passed on that deal. Christoffersen ended up offering a chance to open for him at a club date in new. York. And Atlantic records executive was in the audience and Prin signed with Atlantic at ten o'clock the next morning. Cheese and crackers. Yeah. So there was a guy named Jerry Wexler, who's apparently a pretty legendary. Record executive. He was sitting in the audience and he watched produce three songs, which is all the time he was allotted and that was all he needed air and he signed in the next morning. In nineteen seventy-one, prime self titled Debut Album was released and for fans of prime and his style of music almost serves as a greatest hits package. There is hello in there which captured the loneliness and pain of an aging couple now, hey, delivered mail owners routes to a Baptist retirement home but in his us in his youth, he also worked a paper route with a friend and doing so didn't just entail dropping off a bunch of hyper. When you got to this Baptist retirement home, you actually walked to each individual room and had to hand the the People newspaper. He said that he said that the people that he saw would actually pretend that he was their grandson or nephew who come to save them because they're actually their actual families rarely did. Oh God that sucks. Yeah. Hey, told CBS this morning he was also very close to Oliver's his grandparents and that he always naturally gravitated towards older. There was the song illegal smile which contrary to popular belief is not about smoking weed. Province said it was about how he always smiled and laughed at things other people didn't find. But he allowed quote. It was such a good anthem product smokers that I didn't want to have to stop every time I played it and make a disclaimer. Never corrected anybody he's like if you get about Wade, you're on. I don't care. There was your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore, which takes a little bit of a jab at patriotism. Prime conceptualized it again while delivering the mail as he saw American flag decals that were inside Reader's digest magazines all over the suburbs where he worked. It's it's a funny song if you've ever heard it, but it also contains the line. But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore were already overcrowded from your dirty little war. Now, Jesus don't like kill no matter what the raisins four and your flag big. How will get you into Heaven Anymore probably the best known song from his debut album was angel from Gumri, which starts with the line I mentioned at the outset I am an old woman. One problem was asked about adopting such unique corn few for a song. He simply said that no one ever called me could. Authors create characters. So he didn't see why songwriters couldn't do the same thing and he frequently tried to look at the world through the eyes of others, and this guy's those with is of an unhappy middle aged woman who older than her years won't it out of her life out of her marriage and hope quote an angel from Gumri would take her away from misery. He told. An interviewer he talked about writing the song a buddy of his was a song writer. Said Hey look let's write. US another song about owed people. And process had kind of already said everything I wanted to say about that. You know that song I wrote called Hello in there. And the guy was like, no, no. Come on. Let's do it said. Okay. Well, let's do one about a middle aged woman who actually feels older than she is. And the friend thought about for a second that sucks. We don't need to do that. But prompted himself and it turned into angel from Montgomery. He figures that Montgomery came into play because of his affinity for the workers. Hank Williams course country legend grew up there. He said a lot of people. Because he grew up in, Chicago thought it was because there is an angel gargoyles on the Montgomery Ward Building in Chicago but he said that that has nothing to do with the next of the song. He also said there is no gender when it comes to being a writer. So he he just hate felt comfortable taking on. The. Even if it was a middle aged woman or an old cop or anybody else. The Song Paradise which actually speaks against the practice of strip mining would be adopted by environmentalists as kind of an aunt. Despite the subject matter the song paints a picture of Paradise which prime remembered has having two general stores and not much else as an idyllic place it old CBS. This morning quote US kids also paradise through our Dads is and that his dad love taking his kids there. He largely wrote the song he's told CBS This morning. So his dad would know that he was actually a songwriter. So basically once primed got to where he could pick and sang pretty well, he would play Hank Williams and Roy aac up songs for his dad who already talked about was a huge like old country fan but he wanted his own and realized that he could craft teams. So he said his dad who is mentioned in the Song Paradise Really liked it Now. The one thing you'll find if you read a lot about or watch interviews, he's given to exaggeration at Tom's except when he talks about himself, he talks his own singing playing and songwriting pretty often. His brother of Billy, who's a couple years younger than prime who prom would often describe as quote being almost seven feet tall and two feet taller than me despite the fact that he was six fifty six and not even a foot taller than Don Brown was. So that, their father was genuinely touched. The first time from played in paradise told American songwriter quote. My father was speechless. It was the most emotional look I've ever seen on my dad's fax. And I think this is a good time to check out our first musical offering from this propriety. So let's Stop here and listen to the song. Paradise. John Primes self titled Debut Album. All right. Here we go. When. I was a child, the family would travel down a Western Kentucky where my parents were born. and. There's a backwards down off then. So many times. THEM RE is war and Daddy won't take me back the Mu Berg county down by the Green. WHERE THEY'RE DIES Williams saw mass. To. Mr. Go train all way. Some tablet travel down green. The band and all. Down by review. Where they're still lacks. Week shoot with our. Buddy m the. Was All we would. And Daddy won't take me back view heard county down behind grain. River where fair KYW's. Saw Mass. Too late as. Mr. Bean. Trains all. Nicole. CAIN. With the world's largest show and tortured the Denver and Strip doll lane. Well it Doug for their. Land saying then narrowed it all down as the progress of Maine and Daddy. Take me back to me hurt county down the green. River where Sorry Mass. Budget to. Ask. Mr Bean. Go train is all play. When a? National Slow Down Grain. To the RAV jester down. BE AT WAY to heaven with they're. Just five miles away from wherever I. And Daddy won't take me back. Burke County down by the Green. River. Where they're. Solid, mass. As. MR, DEBA- gold train is all the. Way. Nice we in Vienna Mr Thrill hair literally look at each other and was like, Yup that's like Dylan of doing dylan. It's or almost kind of like a Hillbilly James Taylor. Sort of. which is I mean a little? Do. In that that classic singer-songwriter Bain don't you know dial and I really like the almost writing in of that like bluegrass slash Celtic Music Yeah. It's it's neat. It's unique. It's very which which is so funny because later in life he. Actually would spend part of each year in Ireland Fund that you mentioned that. But we'll get to that a little lighter. Stuff. Okay. So the first album did not make a big splash commercially up it didn't crack the billboard hot one hundred out chart, but it was a critical success rolling stones would be read in part quote. This is a very good first album by berry good songwriter good song writers are on the rise, but John Cryan is differently good. His work demands some time and thought from the listener is not out to write pleasant tunes. He wants to arrest a cursory listener and get attention for some important things he has to say, and thankfully he says them without falling into the trap of riding with overtimes of self-importance or smugness. A the village voice gave the album and a writing. Other artists certainly took note of Primes early work Carly Simon covered angel from Montgomery less than a year after prime album. I do remember that version of that the garlic I I'd never actually heard. Carly Simon version of that. I'd actually heard I. Okay. Until recently I've not I've not heard it. Though it's been covered by dozens of artists every year over the years probably the best known in Love Ours Remains Bonnie rates nineteen seventy or cover. She told Performing Songwriter magazine in two thousand that song quote probably meant more to my fans and my body of work than any other songs. which you know you're talking about the person who saying. I can't make you love me and something to talk about Nichols and she says that's the one pretty much. In her body of work to her fan vice I believe she is the only woman to have a specifically designed fender guitar. Yup. Having, seen her in concert, she certainly should. Go pick yeah gain the she's the only one she shouldn't be the only one there there are plenty Nancy Wilson should have won I mean. Yeah paradise was covered by Johnny Cash John. Fogerty. The everley brothers and Dwight Yoakam among many others. Sam was a song that pain wrote on his mail route in his head. When he got home a thought like he had something good. He frantically looked for some piper to lay down, but he couldn't find any. So he scribbled them three cardboard in sort of insert from packs of Tanny. Because that's the only thing you could bond Rodham down on. When prime was drafted? He was initially sent to a base in Louisiana and made to quote crawl around the swamp. So you can. We kind of already touched on you. You can imagine wearing figured he was going at the time. He of course, he ended up in Germany Quad. I'm still dancing over that one. But five of his friends did end up going to the wars iron. Now, I'll fob of actually did make it home, but he said none were ever the same. He said that was the basis of the Song Sam Stone which was voted the eight saddest song ever written a rolling stone readers poll. Way What do you think the saddest song is? In home you. Oh God he stopped loving her today maybe. Okay. Well maybe tears in Heaven Eric locked him. I'm going to have to go Clarence Carter Patches. God Yeah Patches is pretty bad. That's my job dot com liquidity maybe. Holes in the floors of Heaven or Love Me is at Collin Raye. Love Me. Where Ya. Steve warranted. House in the four having Colin. Right was love me. Yeah. Yeah. Those are all pretty mild Lin Sam Stone if you've never heard of is pretty damn sidelights. Definitely. The. The funny thing was on. A Addul interview where he I I saw a couple of there's one I saw where it was he and Bill Murray being interviewed, and there's one that was installed Simpson and I don't remember which one it was, but he was talking about that song. And he said that the first time. He performed it. He he thought I think this is good but I'm not sure it's pretty sad. There's a line that we'll talk about in a minute that was considered pretty provocative. especially for nineteen seventy one. So he he he was a little unsure, but he goes up there and he plays it. And said he finished blind the song and the audience just sat there and looked at it. And he is quite was will shit that must have been worse than I thought. But it's just it's so sad the first time you would hear it I can't imagine the reaction you would have to which. May I love? What is the name? Again it's called. Sam Stone can hang on. You know what I'm I'm calling an audible. Calling, an audible sandwich. Forty two, forty, two, Sam Stone. Because I want to I want this is a genuine reaction had never heard this song I'm the one. Emotional when I listened homeless. Careful what you with foil day we'll see what happens. Okay. Okay. Sam Stone. Why Family To serve. The conflict over. Z. Time, sir? Shattered always nerd. Shrapnel. The more beanies? And the grass ramps. Game and long. Khanh. Lag. Burble are and Anna Muggy. On is bad. A hole in. Money. Jesus tries bad for another. pitchers. Big. Stop to camp. Sweets. Never last too long broken radios. Sam Stones Well. Didn't last too long. He went to word. Last. Sami. Then and Dollar. Without over. And the goal roll through. Vows Guerrero Drain. Zadie Joe. While again ran around where People's blow. There's a whole. Anne. Jesus trying. that. Mole. pitchers. have. Known stopped. Sweet songs never last too long. Broken radios. Sam? Straw. Long. Way Bob. Last Baloney. Wow on wall while sitting in a chair. Really played his last. Wow, room smell just like. With an over Dole? Brandon, and air. Fun. To me. Ball on Gi Bill. flag-draped passed it on a little heroes. There's a hole in is. Raleigh money goes to. adver. pitchers. Don't stop. Ear. Sweet. Zones never last to own. Mix up another handsome Johnny will not when you all? I mean it's okay. Maybe I'm maybe I'm a jerk. Maybe. I've got a heart of stone. But I'm like, that's more disturbing to me than release. Sad it's like. It's like a protest for something that's already happened. It's like. Will but but you also have to view it through the prism of it being nineteen seventy-one. When it came out, you know what I mean. It's like we're a tad jaded by this point imagine how different that would a sounded. Fifty years ago I mean that's that would have been a gut point people didn't do. There weren't a ton of songs like that back then I mean Dylan probably I'm sure that's all there a few others but not manny. Yeah and it's it is a heavy song. It's literally not but I think what it is. It's not. Here's the thing where it's. Here's the thing when it comes to like sad songs not to get too much on a tangent but. When, when you have a sad song something like tears in heaven or a, he stopped loving her today like what you had those. Songs, we humanize them We. We have felt that way before where. Is Not a normal. Feeling. For most of us to understand what it feels like to come back from war a completely broken person addicted to. Heroin right and. Abandoning your family and. Starting petty theft like we were. A depressing song. But it's hard to. Empathize, but. With that. Sure. Yeah. If you haven't been there and done that. But. That's. Of Kinda WanNa his gifts is that he wasn't there and he didn't live that but he still wrote a song that's considered one of the definitive. Veteran. Songs and. I don't know that anybody at the at that point would have been writing about. Post traumatic stress disorder and a veteran's addicted to drugs and all that kinda stalls I I. Yeah. I don't know if anybody else had done that I'm not I'm not GonNa take away from the fact that it is a powwerful saw It's incredibly impactful. It's incredibly like it's it's it's a very, very good song. Away from it, I'm just saying it's hard for me to. Connect with it on that lower. Right. The song was actually covered lighter by number of artists most notably Johnny cash. Now, if you could totally hear cash thing in that. If you've heard the man in black's version, you know that the lyrics were altered just a little bit. Prin explained to rolling stone that cash was perhaps the only person he would have allowed ultra one of the psalms. ranted cash cash was working with their mutual friend Cowboy Jack Clement in the studio and wanted to record Samsung. Famously. Devout in his Christian faith cash had a little bit of problem with the line and Jesus Christ dot for nothing I suppose. He said quote he didn't feel comfortable singing in that line. I said well, you know it's the heart of the song for me. It's everything in the song kind of fell out of that one lap I know where I'm coming from when I say that it means there's no hope if the Veterans GonNa come home and be like that nobody's going to help them with this drug habit and what's the use of living However prime did allow cash to make an adjustment changing the line in question to daddy must have hurt a lot back then I suppose. He said quote. It's Johnny Cash. All I, know is he singing muscle After. He said that cash was quote like Abraham Lincoln to me. And the two had a little bit of mutual admiration society as cash listed Ron among his big four all Tom of songwriters. Pink Floyd Cover Sam Stone but it has been noted that the song the war dream from nineteen ninety, three album. The final cut bears a very strong resemblance to sandstone sharing its chord progression instrumentation melody and not the opening lot of the song can also be seen as an allusion to prince composition as it says. Tell. Me True Tell me why was Jesus Crucified? Is it for this data died? Roger Waters was an unabashed prime fan eventual friend. In a two thousand, eight interview with word. Magazine. Waters was asked if he could hear pink flew people its influence on bands like, radio, ed. Hey. responded quote I don't really listen to radio. I'll listen to the albums and they just didn't move me in the way that say John on does his is extraordinarily eloquent music and he lives on that plane with Neil young and John Lennon. So I had a pretty hot pity to John Brought, I would say. Hello, and there has been covered by John. Denver Joan by is Bette Midler and David Allen Coe. Speaking of speaking of the ladder. Let's circle back to that song writer who insisted that his Buddy Kris Kristofferson go check out front and Chicago. That was a man named. Steve. Goodman now even if you aren't familiar with him. First of all, you should they city of new. Orleans amongst many other great songs. You've almost certainly heard his name. In this home, you never even called me by my name co famously breaks into a reputation midway through the proceedings and says, well, a friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song and he told me it was the perfect country and western song. I. Wrote Him Back Letter Letter and told him. It was not the perfect country and western song because he had said anything about Mama or trains, or drugs, or prison, or getting drunk. And then he of course launches into the diverse that begins will I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison. As a personal aside, I should note that I am my groomsmen sang that song at a wedding reception because I am nothing if not on point. Before at a product of where I grew up. Oh. My God. Well, everybody like you've know what kind of night Karaoke was when saw that song because? You know it was a call an answer. Zinc. Sexy Dave did do I. Don't think it was it was it was me and all my groomsmen sang that at our wedding reception if you remember. Now, I think sexy. Dave. Sang at my birthday party. Living. Okay. Yup Yup which. I am I this out later but I think that was the same night he actually in my cat's litterbox. Okay. All right. So so somebody I'm Kim to got drunk and China David, Allen, coach Song. Checked what and you already litterbox? You'd had exactly and then painted your litterbox that sounds plausible you. Okay so you never even called me about nine is credited to Steve Goodman but most people don't know until his obituary mentioned that many years later, John Pride Co wrote that song with. Running. But he chose not to claim songwriting credit because he said quote I thought it was a joke. The to actually wrote it as a lighthearted spoofs of stereotypical country songs. Prompt said he he loved country music and didn't want to mock it. So he just left his name off of it. As Cho's version became a monster hit. He said that Goodman called him one day and said. He sure you don't want your name on its. Goodman who's about accounts I? Just a very great. There's a great human being took a portion of the sizable royalties he received from that smash it and on a nineteen, forty, two, roll her jukebox as a gift. Prime said that Goodman. Kristofferson were the two most generous people he ever met. Not. Just in the music business but period in his life and Pretty much his career. You WanNa think that somebody's as talented as him would have been discovered eventually. but the review from, but they're very talented people who for whom that bright never calms. So the the review was probably a huge part of it and. Steve Goodman telling Chris Christopherson who was a big Fan of Goodman waste thank my songs are good. You. You need to check out my buddy John Prin without without those three ABOR Christoffersen Goodman. We probably aren't even doing August, I'll jump Ron. Honestly. Some hailed prime after his first album is quote the next Dylan, which is flattering enough for a song writer. But get this in an early show that prompt played in New York Bob Dylan himself made an unannounced appearance singing background and playing harmonica on stage with brought. The capital that story is that prins album had not even been released yet, but Dylan had gotten an advance copy of it and love it so much that he learned the songs, it just showed up and play. The FRY has amazing. For Dylan Goodman and Kristofferson to hail somebody's first album songwriting ability says quite a lot. in two thousand, nine Dylan told the Huffington post why he was drawn to strongly inconsiderate of his favorite song writer. He said quote prone stuff is pure prostate existentialism Midwestern trips to the nth degree and he writes beautiful psalms I remember when Chris Chris Scott. Christoffersen, I brought him on the same Sam stone featuring the wonderfully evocative There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes and Jesus Christ Jesus. Christ dot for nothing I supposed. All that stuff about Samson the soldier Junkie, Daddy Donald and Lydia where people make law from ten miles away nobody but john onto right like that. So. That's Bob Dylan saying that which job I would take as a stamp of approval pretty much. Yeah we've actually been talking about. Dylan a lot last. couple. Of weeks he's got. He's. You when you guys did the protest protest song episode a couple of weeks ago. that deal it's like it's almost like you're doing an episode Dylan still alive because he wrote so many an influence. So many other people to do the same thing. Yeah, well, he will be protest songs, and then we did there were like two other episodes where. He was prominently feature Georgia Tradition. Segregation and Benefit. Concerts. Sopron was nominated for the Nineteen seventy-two best new artist award at the grammys. Now that that honor which is had a number of curious outcomes over the years. So prime the eagles LOGGINS MESSINA AND HARRY CHAPIN LOSE TO AMERICA Come on. They did the soundtrack for the last uniform. said quote whenever I ran into Eagles through the years they would limit. We should have written a horse with no name runs. Shaping was the other one. It. Was it was prime the eagles loggins and Messina Harry Chapin in America in America. While Unfortunately before project record came out, his father passed away it definitely impact them as he recalled. In an interview I saw, and if somebody who has lost fathers a heartbreaking thing to hear but he said he was at his dad's house drinking a couple of beers and play some songs and he said quote and I didn't realize that I would never see my dad again when I'll elst. Switch, that's that sounds like A. That has the makings of a fine country and western song. It's all I think gut much. Kid of in one, thousand, nine, hundred, prime released his second album. It was called diamonds in the rough, which was recorded quickly and rather cheaply at Atlantic records recording studios in New York City France at the recording sessions took three days and call seven, thousand, two, hundred dollars quote including beer. It was even more stripped down than his first album which y'all to songs from it. That was pretty strict about it's respects And it takes featured to turn towards the BLUEGRASS in the early country music that he loved. In the latter notes to great days, the John Cryan and policy quote I just wanted to do dominance away I. I was used to play music at a house with Dave, his brother who plays Dobro Banjo, and then on the record and Steve Goodman Hoop lead, guitar and provided background vocals. But it's taken me years to figure out how to balance those first two records about every other record. After making a real studio, a rock and roll album I'd come back and do a dominance of the Russ. As already mentioned to the songs that made their way onto the album written on was fourteen. He told American Songwriter magazine how the frying pan and sour grapes ended up there. Is A I had a girlfriend whose father was a janitor and the reason. I'm telling you that is because he had access to a tape recorder and nobody else I knew had one they were really rare a real to reel I sat down and type three songs for this girl and her sister and the three. The three songs were frying Pan Sour Grapes and Twist and shout. Years later, I ended up marrying that girl. She was my first wife. She found the tape it was after I'd made the first album. So I put those songs on diamonds in the rough. And those were the first songs I remember writing. A notable song from the record was one called souvenirs. Now prime actually intended for that to be on his debut albums but had already cut twelve songs when he got ready to record it and the the paper pretty much just on them. Now you got twelve, you're done. So. This kind of was a holdover. He wrote it once he got his low pain Gig at the V bag where he got you know a quarter for everybody who showed up at. Many of the faces in the crowd didn't change week to week prior to that Ebert review prime figured he needed to not play the same songs every week and should add to his repertoire. So basically wrote that song driving to the club one dyke rehearsed it in front of the Bathroom Mirror v Neck once and debuted it that not. Allowed from that all the snow has turned to water Christmas days if common doll broken toys and faded colors are all that's left lingering on a hate graveyards and old pawnshops they always bring me to tears I can't forgive the weather rob me of childhood souvenirs. wrote that in his car drove into the globe. According to. That is. Dennis that's? Unfair At that point you at that point you're just showing. All right. According to prompts website artists was told by Goodman the song. Yes I guess they ought to number drink after you had the potential to be a hit. said quote I was going for a Hank Williams Song Steve Goodwin always told me that if I'd taken another couple of minutes and put a chorus to the song. there. Isn't any I just put a tagline to reverse that it would have been a hit country song but I was set in my ways wants a song was done. It was done. The great compromise is an anti war song and a little bit of a protest all although the lyrics don't necessarily read that way using a promiscuous girlfriend as a metaphor for America. In a loner notes to great. Quotes the idea had in mind that America was this girl used to take to the drive in movies, and then when you went to get popcorn, she turned around and screwed some Ghana foreign or its color. He said I really love. America I just don't know how to get there anymore. Which is pretty deep. Album had one cover song that being a remake of the Carter family's dominance Ross which ended up in. And Prime said, he borrowed the melody from Jimmy Rogers is treasures untold for his song the late John Garfield Blues. In terms of chart success is second album did about the same as its predecessor getting to number one, hundred, forty, idol, the billboard chart critically it was again well received with all musics William. Role in Saint John Ron second album was a cut below as I only because the debut was a classic and the follow up was merely terrific. David Fricke wrote that was quite a superb collection of tones entails recorded with Acoustic no-frills living room. Ambience. The village voice gave it an A. minus writing. Now, step away from his albums for a minute in Canada idea for the John Concert been light at this time. Prime like a lot of kind of folk country artists at the time at 'em Singer songwriters in general played with no band. It was just in his guitar on stage said clubs he played out with usually put a stole in front of a microphone since many musicians chose to sit while they played and sign. Prime would stand but often use the stolas a place to sit a six pack of beer and his ashtray. Like my right. Right Karan's. I saw an interview with them where he said the other thing was at at that one he still didn't know how to properly tuned guitar. So he would sit there for up to fifteen minutes sometimes being being. And he would just have to like bullshit and tell stories to fill. Did and is. Developing a dedicated fan base and then offered a featured stellar musicians and when he played in Chicago Comedians from second city including Bill Murray and John Belushi. In the show love this story, a couple of times. The latter of those being John Belushi actually lobbied to have prime as a musical guest on the second season of Saturday night live when the beach boys were scheduled musical act relied scratch. So. He was actually on season two Saturday night lob as a musical guest. Yeah I don't know. Okay. Here's the thing now I don't know if I would take. Suggestions from John Belushi about John Belushi on musical guests because. he shows. Musical guests from like the first season, and it was a punk rock group that ended up destroying the set. One of them might take a dump on my own. It's often like. You GotTa consider your source here was John. Belushi making these right now. Again last night be suggests that if someone pooped on out so Looking at this jaws. Crime. I think. Canadian Canadian songbird and Murray did the same thing. I've had several hats. Off The only reason why I know and Murray is because you know grandma would give up on me and go to bed and Let Me Watch TV and Anne. Marie would have those like. Albums the TOB life music yes. Commercials sure. The Time Lakers I remember we stayed up until two am watching those because one of them was an Murray. One of them was Kenny Rogers and Enra- Stephen showed up yup I not A. Single Year my mother would play the hand Murray Christmas. Every single year. But Lewis of are remembering that, right? Do what was an Murray friends with Sherry? Lewis. AM I. Sure not. Yong said. That nobody can see this. This is just a kind of a joke for the room y'all are sitting on a couch together and I can't see will's hands. So you're almost like his. Like his lamb chop. Just doesn't on my friend. and. Nineteen seventy-three Best. Brian head moved to Nashville and he released his third album sweet revenge. It contained a couple of classics like Mexican home and Dear Abby which was actually recorded live when Prin studio. Really stiff and humorless. Again the reviews were positive. It was noted that he seemed more vocally confident a bit more mature and was developing a sense of cynicism. But again, album did sell fairly modestly in nineteen seventy five he put up album common sense which would be his most successful album commercially to that point it actually hit number sixty six on the billboard chart. With contributions from Bonnie Rait Glenn, Fra, and Jackson Browne and production by Steve Cropper of Booker T in fame you would think that it would be a winner Jan.. Frans, said he came out of Mit the studio with a good record however, the book John John In spite of himself about other Eddie Huffman said quote cropper was moving into the rock and roll big leagues as producer working on Rod Stewart's next record around the same time he decided primes album needed fleshing I'll. Despite the singer's reservations cropper took the tapes to Los Angeles and added the kinds of overdubbed arm had said he wanted to avoid. So, although it reached a larger audience reviews were sort of mixed on that one with a major complaint being that Crohn's lyrics got lost in the middle of a lot of ways that cropper light on top. Prime Mount his first tour of America and Canada with a full band that year. But he was growing disenchanted with Atlantic records, which he didn't think same to get him or his music. So he asked to be released from his contract in fact, he went to Omit Erdogan, who is like a tightened the record industry and pretty much said Y'all suck and you don't know what to do with my music. I would like you to let me out of my contract and Ertegun to his everlasting credit did obliged and he let out of this record contract. So he signed with asylum records which was kind of saint as being a little bit more singer, songwriter friendly. He worked on his next album with his buddy cowboy. Jack Clement. With some of Nashville's best session musicians, they hold up in clements addict studio round the clock six a week. It rolling stone in two thousand seventeen quote we were high as dogs. Really, good stuff. The problem according to problem was they weren't getting the record they were playing everyday in the studio. He eventually turned to his friend Steve Goodman, the nineteen seventy eight album bruised oranges was a huge hit, but the critics got back own A. Prime Saad and it featured ten very well received songs. The title track is another. Complete. Like. hob The sharp. instruments. Tune about a real life tragedy from Franz US fellow Church alterable way was hit by a commuter train. ooh. Yeah. The song there she goes seemed to elude the crimes on crumbling marriage, which ended not long after the album's release. There was also if you don't want my love which he wrote with legendary producer, Phil Spector. Now that seems like a very odd pairing. But prompted NPR's Terry grossed one of his early champions was La Times music critic Robert Hilburn. Pran ran into him And learned that Hilburn was writing a book with Specter and was at his house every single night interviewing him over untold prom. He should come up and meet a Specter Princeton. He was reluctant at first because he doubted that specter would even know who he was. But said that Spector had actually quoted some John Prime Lyrics to him during their interview. So. Prin did come up and specter played him an unreleased Leonard Cohen Album that he was using. A prime described Specter's houses quote like a circus show. said that his drink never got below half full and noted that Specter's two bodyguards. One of whom was quote a swarthy skinny guy and another that quote looked like to Bacha. Aw. Spent. A said that specter were a three piece suit at all times and a shoulder holster. With a gun in it As Front as problem went to leave that night specter sat down at a piano new the front door urge prone to pick up an unplugged electric guitar they wrote if you don't want my love in less than thirty minutes. Six months later, prime prime came back and played a recorded version of the song for Specter. They started another song again as prom delays called God only knows now pride intended to finish the song later but he had trouble dome inside. He said that for years when he would go to do a new album, he would kind of circle back to it and go into what I should I should finish that song, and for some reason, he just he couldn't finish the song. He did eventually complete it. But once specter was in prison for murder. Which obviously Folks who follow music and celebrities that are aware that spectators jail for murdering his wife eldest. By Bonnie Ronnie Lee Bagley brought others, others as. I remember like only trail doesn't remember the trial are the trial more than. A hair. All. The the hair and the face and the glasses are bike burned into my retinas and we'll never leave me. But the the wants prime finished the song it contained the line if I should betray. Today than God only knows the price you pay. He said he was quote shocked but not sure shocked by the murder allegations who get specter he said quote he always had guns around and he was always waving them around. You know I'm not exactly sure about how the whole thing happened but that was the part I was not shocked about now we're going to listen to. The. Song God only knows. But I'M GONNA give everybody a little bit of a heads up. So this song started writing it in the very late seventies prime didn't finish it until. Twenty five or so years later. Didn't record it until then. By that time John Cryan had had a life of the that. Negatively. Impacted his voice well, not not necessarily negatively but his voice was decidedly different and I'm telling you that only because if you've heard the first or songs we did and then you listen to this when you're not gonNA, think it's the same person. And, we will get to watch his voice sounded so different abandoned but just just kind of giving you a heads up this doesn't sound light paradise for Samsung but this is a John Brown. It's a song he started riding with Phil Spector and finished once bills was in prison called. God only knows again, I will say before I start this song that if I lose my true crime card if I don't get this, right we actually went goes Lana Clarkson Not Bonnie Bagley. So at its Lana Clarkson. That that he is he was sent to prison for murdering so. Here's a song. You. Only knows. is that you pay For the ones you heard. Away. BASHES betray. Myself. Today. God. Only knows. Only knows. We be. Over. The. Game reveal. A field. Note. the. The. Sedan. De. Wait. Man. Out. Mattru. Did things that say. And the things add do. Ba true. James. Don't know. Okay, I got three things I gotta say about that Song Okay. Number one I actually like his voice a lot more in this one he he liked his voice better wants it changed and we'll get into why change a little bit lighter eight you eight. John Himself agreed with you. Yeah. Number two it's very Lou Reed Ish this is this is very, very reminiscent of Louis especially like take a walk on the wild side. And the number three I would love to have heard the version that he wrote. With Phil Spector because I feel like the difference between that one and what actually got laid down later in life probably would have been something like comparing Joni, Mitchell's a love from both sides. Rod. I specifically think it's both sides now from Joni Mitchell but other artists have revisited their songs. From your younger and they have changed differently. But like I would have loved to have seen the difference between those two songs. Yeah. Sure. Definitely. The only thing was it was it was unfinished and I don't know what to what state it was unfinished or how much they wrote and lay down before were. Literally before primes cab showed up that night and he had to leave. But. It took decades to finish the song. Was Interesting about this one is a know earlier talked about his influence is being kind of that grand old opry. This sounds more like hank, Williams than any of the other stuff we listen to so. Yeah. It does but you can also hear at first of all the voice is so much different. and. It doesn't sound like Ersan but but then. Just. Musically, it sounds completely different from anything we've we've played up like sounds a little bit richer and fuller I know if that's he'd finally gave into the mix you know that you're you're saying like it stripped down raw and other smick this seems more. Mixed with like overlays and things that he would have fought against initially bright because you can hear the background singers, strains and the and electric equipment, which we haven't heard much of on his early songs either, right so So primed to two more albums for asylum records. The I was nineteen seventy-nine Paint Cadillac. It was produced mainly by Knox and Jerry Phillips and two trucks were produced by their dad a fellow you might have heard of by the name of Sam Phillips, the legendary founder of Sun Records. It Martin departure with prime focusing much more on a rock sound and recording only five of his own songs with the rest being made up of rocks from his youth. Rowing Simmer here David Marsh team to quote and almost unqualified disaster and I had never quote sung such a half ass grab bag of songs. William Roulmann running for all music was a little bit condorcet quote pink. Cadillac was a good idea that went slightly Iran the execution. France years lighter though that the album developed into a fan favorite over Tom's The next album was nineteen eighties more country flavored storm windows, which was much more well received by critics than its predecessor was. That was primes last album for asylum and that it was his last record for any major liable. He. Had begun to grow. Weary of dealing with record labels and he had taken a dim view of what he's always there exploitation of artists. So he formed his own label he was actually one of it was a pioneer. In this way, he was one of the first artists to form their own record label. He started Oh boy records in Nineteen eighty-one with his manager Albany Ed. I should point out that his first manager was actually Paul Anka. Just. Find a funny. When when Christofferson showed up at the Earl township to hear him play. It was actually hey Steve Goodman and Paul. Anka. And go was his first manager but prime's broader said that ACA basically collected his managers percentage and didn't really do much for him. And Veneta was much more straight guy who? Who really liked and he kinda got Ryan and he Kinda F-. He was a bare knuckle guy got kind of all for him and stop. So they apparently got along really really well, and they own record label together and the first release on the album was a red vinyl Christmas forty files that featured on singing I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus and silver bells a proposed don't people who don't know who Paul Anka is. He just put your head on my shoulders puppy love Diana. And pennies from heaven like he was one of those like. Dog Producers Sort of. Puppy love singers. That's what I'm trying to Japan Yup Yup. Prime fans were so loyal they mailed. Chicks often with note, saying that the next prime album to just be delivered to them in exchange for the money that they were sending them. Enough was collected that primes recording sessions for nine hundred, ninety, four's album aimless love were completely paid for. Wow Yeah. Now, that album did not chart at all but that we have to put an asterisk all match it was It was available mainly via mail order and Ernest tubbs record store. But Rolling Stone said quote John on the elegant songwriter is still in pot for. Bob Dylan loved the song people putting people down so much that he immediately began covering it in concert. Prin alleges that a mailman approached him after a show once and asked if he wanted to hear Dylan Sane, this on before handing him a bootleg cassette type of a Dylan concert from Rome Italy. Progress for a prime biographer Eddie Huffman called the song quote unwed. The best since his debut. Character Song that held its own with Sam, Stein Johnny cash and Tammy Wynette. Did Duet remake of that song. Causing that name wrong it's one at. Tammy Wynette Jamie Line et. Standby. Yet What one of my favorite off the right are SNL bits ever? Going Hustle play in Tammy one. As. Natalie Cole sit quite sings the hits of her father's dead friends. And she starts saying stand by your man and Tammy WanNa Guess, I am not dead. AS Roma's get started bitch. Oh. Man Yours is like my favorite off the beat of SNL skit is. One that I don't think they'll ever show against the pasta maker five thousand. Because it's just it's might. Unpaid saying that it's it is so hilar-. So, ridiculously funny. But like Mike Myers, if you watch Mike Myers face in that skit is his name. Skin is the same face that he did when Tanya West. On. During Katrina. Look like. The same thing it is it is so horribly pc it is not is not. It would never fly. Now you could know nobody could ever fat or get it on a get an audience anywhere Nile. Bags of Nineteen ninety-two that was. Still get away with stuff like that in nineteen ninety-two there's almost no part of it that we can relive right now. So why don't we instead listen unwed fathers John? Role podcast. Great Segue wait that's not the song. Napoli. Greyhounds. She Sits A. Fan. A. Goodbye Bre. Dilma. Deal all the Iraq someday. on. LAXA. Bad. Doing. While unwitted. They leave. There are a law. Mad and string. Cold and Laid down. Say. No. Ground. Someone's. In agrees. Back. Some bad. On with The AW. Around. The Romance Wary you ban. Smoking Matt. Is it down. Dawn live. The team. Back Style Band Drain With FAV. To a man. Run LAG walshaw. Man Strang. Okay, and for those wondering of the Lady's voice that you hear is Rachel Peter who was actually prime second. Wise. Yeah I was saying when we were listening to it as she sounds a lot like Kylie minogue she kinda does which is weird since I don't think she was from Australia but yeah. So. Nineteen ninety-four was a good year in a bad year for prime. Unfortunately his friends Steve Goodman died at the age of thirty six of leukemia and I'm just going to encourage anybody who's never who is all that familiar with bronze work or with a Goodman's were go go look at him up he is he was a brilliant songwriter the dude wrote city of New Orleans. Correct you never even called me by my name. For sports fans. Hey, cut wrote go cubs go. The. Cubs. Yes, that Steve Goodman wowed. And he wrote door number three, which Jimmy Buffett recorded on one of his early albums was fantastic and he what left way too early of but. That year of the prime did get married this time to bassist. Rachel. Peter who would just start coaching in that song with him. He told rolling stone a that marriage was doomed from the get go. Hey actually calls the eighties his bachelor years. Hey. Would normally wake up around three thirty in the afternoon. Hey go eat fried eggs and have his first beer of the day at Brown's diner. He, play some video poker and hit a few bars with his buddies Don Everley and townes Van Zandt. Then go to the grocery store and he would have dinner ready for his friends at one. Am when he knew they would all be heading home from various nightclubs. Drugs were fairly prevalent. I. Know That's a shocker for musicians in the eighties. Out. Particularly cocaine and quite lose. Oddly, given song that problem would inspire many of many years. Later, he was not a huge fan of marijuana and they said he never was actually. Regrets. Go back. There was towns, a member of the Jacksonville Vincent's. No. No. Not that. Not Checking on. Okay. which was Hanging out with. was, little stevie you read Stevens A and that. is not related to lose Dave, you can see there's a number of Van Zandt. Worked with one apparently I didn't even know Linda worked with Little Stevie I. Don't remember this but. You're you worked with little stadium that's pretty B-. That's pretty awesome. I work with. We'll see the I know idea like we talked. Sopranos. When I was on soprano his children want to watch him I'm sorry Yeah I've never seen Sopranos but apparently it's required reading if you're from my face. In the show. All in nineteen eighty, six prom put out the grammy nominated German afternoon which a Time magazine called the worst album title in the history of music. It, was a roots. He country record that featured contributions from Marty Stuart and new grass revival. Some of the songs were inspired by or at least reflected trends disintegrating marriage producer Jim Rooney said quote John and Rachel having a very up and down time of it, but the resulting songs might have been worth all the trouble. Stand standard offerings include speed of the sound of loneliness, which is very clearly about his marital situation listen Another would go on to be one of the biggest hits of programs career though not his version of was I. Just WanNa dance with you. George Strait Mulford that in nineteen ninety eight and it became a number one country was. Later yeah. That's actually probably the biggest hit that Prin ever wrote. Because King George cut it so I mean that just. An. was like between nineteen, ninety, four, and nineteen, Ninety, seven, Ninety, eight countries. Country had this weird resurgence of popularity in the mainstream had people that. Country listeners listening to country huge Yulia whatnot you have absolutely you did. have yet hand tillis coming out you had. A future episode with. Mindy, McCready. Shave my legs for this. What was her name Carter? Santa Carter. Neal McCoy you had all of these like. Kanji, you're making that cross. You had to like the late eighties of the eight th what is it called? The class of eighty, eighty, nine, it was. Garth Brooks Travis Trigger Clint. Black. All those all those guys and that Kinda carried board for Awhile, and then you had like another group. Bust out in the mid late nineties who who you're talking about the Dana Carvey. Too Far off but man I loved Randy Travis. Benjamin. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. WHO Doesn't? WHO DOESN'T Who Doesn't love you know who doesn't love or any Travis Communists. Fuel live forever and ever Manda probably don't like you I'm sorry I. Know that you're a couple handsome gentlemen Did use call communist Communist. Communists like oh Brandon. If you don't like on the other hand you are a communist and I probably wouldn't like. So prins marriage unfortunately ended in nineteen, Ninety, eight or nineteen eighty-eight. But that same year he met a lady nine, Sione Wayland. Born in Ireland Ireland would eventually become prins manager and the two would wed in Nineteen ninety-six and remained married until. primes unfortunate. DA's. PRIN released the missing years in Nineteen ninety-one. Then put out a John on Christmas nineteen ninety-three and lost dogs and mixed blessings and nineteen ninety-five. In one thousand, nine, hundred, however prime learned he developed cancer in his neck. He knelt alone. He felt a lump there but he thought it was a bulging blood vessels. Literally, he would just like shave around it and thought literally nothing of it for a long time. he ended up having to have extensive surgery to remove diseased tissue and underwent weeks of Radiation Treatment Ooh. The procedures left him with a slightly slumped head. It damaged nerve endings in his tongue and it damaged salivary glands. Hey required more than a year of therapy before he could sing again and when he did. So his voice was lower and a bit more raspy which we heard in the Song God only knows which you said you prefer to La and he did to. Let, me lay. Okay. You know when you get sick like you, you have got years of radio behind you like years and years. You get sick and you'd start healing. There is at like three day period where you had like a really gravelly voice but it was it was cool. It wasn't well. When I get when I get some kind of throat thing, it always makes my voice really deep and so I, instead of Barry White I call myself very white. He's been drinking rum. Yeah No, there's three days where it's like sexy. Cool. But like. That's John John's voice sounded like when ours like I actually liked it more because it was deeper and it felt it felt older and more developed it had. Did He send? So it so he had a year and a house in between concerts and when he goes to play his first win. Post recovery. He was unsure how audience would take. His new voice, but he said afterward, they were with me boy were they with me so does his audience was very receptive to it. Off Prime adopted Fiona Son Jody. And the two had two children of their own in sons, Jack, and Tommy. So prime became a father for the first time at age forty eight. Those shortened but. Fiona said that he was a very good father though he he was obviously sometimes absent as he toured. He would invariably return with a suitcase full of toys for the boys and said, it gave him a good excuse to toy stores which he liked doing anyway. How? Hanley's a really nice all around Guy Yeah. Hey. Hey. You you would have you'd be very hard pressed to find anybody who would ever say anything bad about Don Frye. If you please go look I because I. I. He released in spite of ourselves in nineteen, ninety, nine and souvenirs in two thousand. Then he took an unusually long break from recording before releasing fair and square in two thousand five. That one hit number fifty, five on the billboard album charts and Ned in his second grammy win in the category of best contemporary album. He and Mac Wiseman who was in his eighties Tom offered up an album of cover songs called standard songs for average people in two thousand seven. In, two thousand thirteen pride had a second bout with cancer. This time it was in one of his lungs. It was called Berry early, which was owed to the regular tests and x-rays that he had following his first cancer battle. Part of his long was removed, but because it was called. So early, no chemotherapy already, I should was necessary to stop. He told us this morning. A friend who happened to be a personal trainer ended up concocting very odd recovery therapy for prime. Him Run up and down a flight of stairs three times. Then he would throw him a guitar and make him a play two songs. And it wasn't the same songs ever get Tom to every time. The Guy would like literally Throw Guitar Adam and do and go like Paradise Sandstone. Them? Would have to play those two songs while he was out of breath running up and down steps. and. It obviously work that he was back on the road with a few months round. In two, thousand sixteen at the suggestion of his wife Prime released for better or worse it was a duets album featuring covers of country classics with a number of female artists that front hurt including Miranda Lambert. Casey most gripes Amanda shires. Leeann. AMAC Alison Krauss Susan Tedeschi Kathy Matteo, and Fiona Brian his wife. At the time it was the highest charting album of his career reaching number thirty on the billboard. Hot Two hundred. Album jars. Prion and Fiona who spent part of each year at at a home in her native Ireland as I mentioned earlier, took full ownership of oboe records when prime's friend and former manager Albany passed away. Fiona then began to prod prime into making a new record with the main reason being she does this this morning very bluntly that oboe in needed some new product product to sell. Pride had continued to play shows but had sold into a fairly light back lifestyle. He said he would generally sleep late everyday go to lunch at his favorite greasy meat and three restaurant washes car shoot poll, and then look at cars online. Well, into the night he had an affinity for old cadillacs and he owned several, but it didn't pay much money for any of them. He didn't realize how long it had been at that point said since he'd released an album of new material they told her just years ago. It had actually been thirteen years since he had done an album of new material. So Fiona book a room at a hotel in Nashville knowing that he likely wouldn't get any work done around the house where he said he tried to look busy for living. and the result was two, thousand, eighteen, the tree of forgiveness. As per usual received critical praise the album along with two singles from it were nominated for Grammy Awards that they didn't win them because you know people have actually grammy's were morons. This up debuted number that the tree of forgiveness debuted at number five on the billboard album chart the highest chart position John Prime ever achieved Rao. Prime those around him starting to notice a couple of things about his concerts one, the crowds were starting to get bigger. And that they were starting to get considerably younger. Now, that could be owed to longtime fans passing down their love of to their children. or it could be that a number of younger artists who who are very popular were extremely vocal in their praise of him including star Simpson. Brandi. CARLILE JASON IS BILL MARK Margaret Price, and power tillers. Todd Snider and Casey Must Graves. He was extremely complimentary of that group to he lost all his artists and they love back. But they would talk him up and interviews and on stage about. You know why did you write such and such a song? Well, you know because I listened to John Bronco. And I think that did start to make a difference especially as a lot of people I just mentioned probably Casey must graves and schedule Simpson especially because they were so popular that really think that started to make a real difference but so this is I don't even want to say that his career had a revival because prime never really went away but. Commercially and in terms of popularity like riding an all time high. His crowds had never been bigger. He had a lot of younger people showing up and he had just put out an album that hit the highest. Spot on billboard. Any of his albums had ever hit in his fifty years of recording music. The last person that I mentioned on that list was Casey scribes now. Who I'm I'm a huge fan of personally and John Ron. Absolutely loved. She actually wrote a song and you you guys may have heard it called burn one with John Prime Prime. Prin recounted on CBS. This morning that must graves and one of her friends actually managed to meet him at a club and tried to convince him to share a joint with them. At Arcot, it was a literal bucket list autumn for Casey must rights to smoke a joint. Which I aim high casey good for you. I mean. Very specific big. Yeah. But that's what you're. That's what your bucket list isn't bound man yeah. I made modest with Willie? Nelson whatever so. Y- he politely declined. Partly because at this point, he quit doing drugs he never really much of a pothead anyway said that he had a show to play that evening. Now I'm GonNa that that is per Crohn's retelling I read a story that recounted that the two of them were playing together on a cruise ship of some time when she was an up and comer that nobody had heard of, and maybe it was like out on the day. Like they had Isaac mix them a drink and. Go for like what does that strange smell when I say that there's three sides to every story there's Your side. Their side and then there's the truth, right? But. Whatever actually happened prime actually listen to the song burn with John Bryan a few weeks later and was absolutely floored a said not long after that she quote became Casey. Must Rides. He remained an enthusiastic fans of hers until the end of his life. Snyder's Snyder's first record L. and I know that you guys caught a little bit about hot snyder. On the based on a true story episode a few weeks ago because he did the song David Cooper. Hit his first record deal was actually with a boy records and hate, he referred to promise quote our Hank Williams. And you listen if you listen to some of prime songs. You can so here the influence on. Todd Snider in Casey Most Graves and Stargell Simpson and a lot of people that I just mentioned. It is it is. It is. It's. It's clear as day if you've listened to much Ron, how much he met to those people and how much influenced him well, okay. Can I can I? Can I go off on a tangent for like two seconds is. That I think with like Todd Snider and. With John. You're you're missing one major element of what makes them who they are. Most singer-songwriter will just pour out an emotion. And saying you know a lot. Love you this yet but none of them are telling pieces story. Whereas John Crying? Hell's the story. I joy is a storytelling. He's a singer songwriter this telling a story it's not just. Explaining emotions or explaining like one single situation like unwed fathers. Is telling a story. Is telling a story up paradise is telling a story like these. An so as day because. Yeah, that's That's that's what I'm saying like enjoy hearkens way back to like El Paso. Texas, you have a story. And, I think that's what sets them apart from a lot of singers now and. Of them. None of them seek none of them set out to write pretty little OP psalms. Yeah, they're just. They're just totally different people. Stars like that prins like that. Casey. Mo- scribes is like that still Simpson's like that. But but those three. Letter to me really carry that mantle that that prime did. The super. Literate Songwriter who tells the story exactly like you're talking about I? Agree with. That shot of a singular moment in time. Where we're like, yeah, I had never heard todd cider till I listen to DVD Cooper because I have obsession with the Uber and. It it. It lays out that story and it's it's I'm not disparaging three minute pop songs that just talk about him I like I like some of them very much. But but but if you listen to Snyder today because if you listen to him saying thin wild mercury if you hear him saying America's favorite pastime. He probably doesn't write those songs if he didn't grow up listening to John. because. Those are the those are a hundred percent exactly what you're talking about their songs either about obscure characters in history or they are. But but all of them are story songs and most people just don't don't have that guilt because they're not they're not singing. DD Don't did he do? Not You will not besmirch the good name of Manfred. Mann's Earth Band refunded my presence. You hear me we'll fight. Anyway. Perfect ONA pride did have a couple of ECCENTRICITIES as most artists dude? I think you'll enjoy the day. He never travelled without a bottle of Heinz Ketchup and a tube of Coleman. Spicy. Mustard. Okay I I refused to travel without a jar, of manase. Obviously, our at our I'm not going to we don't have Dukes, but we had the southern California version of that, which is best. All right as long as as long as it's not that that spreads stuff. Of. At one time the heater in prins aquarium broke while he was on the road and he returned to find his pet goldfish dead. Distraught, he took the body of his favorite fish, a pound and a half goldfish and put it in his freezer and just left it there for several months. Eventually had it mounted by a taxidermist and he hung it near his pool A place considered a prominent location. Was it relied ads in my dad do it I don't I don't think so but who Fiona said that Tron had many childlike qualities he loved Christmas and while he was single, he actually kept a Christmas tree in home year round. He often had birthday cake and ice cream served after every one of his concerts raising that quote it was always someone's birthday. He drove himself to concerts and issued expensive catering for quote, a twelve dollar Deli tray and a few six bucks. I can back this decision I know. We were actually going to talk about We're still doing the opening acts which you know we don't. We don't know what's happening with the opening accent will figure that out eventually. But we'RE GONNA talk about writers like the the contracts that the. Musicians have with. The grain EMINEM. EMINEM stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah and a that see that's that would have been on the list is like 'cause. Some of these people have insane writers. Like all right. We're you gonNA find forty eight white folks. You wear a short. Okay. True Story. A friend of mine went to in any body listened South Carolina will know there's a a A. specically, the Walmart of beer in South Carolina it's called. Greens. We. Grains Discount Beverages. So a friend of mine stopped in one time it was like you know because they always have a good supply of shiner products. and. A Lotta Times they'll have their seasonal brews and some other stuff. So buddy might stopped in to just check out what had and they had literally no China products. And he said Hey. You know I'm just wondering I just checking y'all could divorce shiner. You guys always have a lot of shiner and got Whittingham and said. Have you ever heard of a singer named Robert Earl keen. And my buddy said Oh. Yeah. Love Robert O'Kane they said okay. Well, he's planning at the Newberry Opera House tonight, which is right up the right from Columbia from those who don't know he said and they sent a got on here in like bodice Outta shot her I, guess he drinks a lot of it. Say. Drinks now she's in. All of it that they had at grains that night my rate. Okay. Here's another thing. Prime was a huge fan of archie comics. He started subscribing to art to archie comics when he was in his thirties. He said, he said quote I liked they put your age old Mary said Rolling Stone. It was quote to Johnny Prime Age forty three. I like jug head mainly and had this persona that he was shifting lazy. But he always kind of knew what was going on. Print did express a belief in God and he considered himself a Christian. The he said he did not like saying other Christians used the bobble. As a political weapon predict particularly against gays and transsexuals and. His feeling was that hey, you know the Bible is a book of love and acceptance. Pace. Intolerant. So why would you weaponize it against anybody? said that just get you had me with the good songwriting and eccentricities you wonder with that because that's exactly right. That is exactly right. in January of this year Prin received a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. Sadly it would stand as the last award, it would be able to excel. Up Fiona has actually tested positive for a strain of coronavirus in March and spent some time quarantined away from. Prime. On March twenty six ron was hospitalized after experiencing covid nineteen symptoms. A march thirtieth. tweeted that she had recovered, but the crown was in stable condition but unfortunately was not improving Roger Waters was among the main express support saying quote are John. Grant? Our friend Brown is in real trump. This friend of ours is full of love and always has been his whole life. Love has always been a powerful drug with love you with a genuine passion I can't even begin to describe. On April sixth with was the wedding anniversary for John and Fiona. Prime Fiona was called by doctor and told you needed to rush limbaugh spital. She said in a subsequent BBC interview that she felt like throwing up but that she was by his side for the last seventeen hours he spent on earth. Quote he was in deep sedation and hooked up to all kinds of machines I talked to him. I held his unresponsive hand a sang and played messages from our boys and from his brothers I played hours demand who was a brandon collaborator in a great singer, Singing Gospel songs that she sent me that night just for him. I told him things out forgotten to tell things I'd never told him. told him. He was beloved by the world that he had done wondrous things with his life and in the end I told him that my heart would break forever. But it could go on ahead and be with his mom and dad and his brother Doug and all those aunties that love Dale. I told him I would be okay and I would hold our three boys clothes and that we would always talk about grandpa all the time with the little ones. On April Seventh John. Prin. died of COVID nineteen complications at the age of seventy three. In accordance with his wishes as expressed in this home paradise, we heard earlier half of his ashes were scattered in Kentucky's Green River and half were buried next to his parents in Chicago. Friends and fellow musicians honored the legend and perhaps the most visceral reaction came from shooter Jennings. Now. For those who aren't familiar like his parents waylon Jennings and Jessi colter jennings a musician. And a lot like his light father shooter is not much one for holding tom so. Right in the wake of John Prin dying. Shooter tweeted quote there. Better be a rain out. Can I stop for a second and issue a warning? If you have if you have young ones listening. Cut US down for like thirty seconds because we're GONNA be into some not nice territory for for just a minute. Second. Skip ahead. About forty five seconds because TJ talks. Okay here we go. There better be a rain of redneck. Hell GonNa pour down on the bastards that made this virus that took John Prom from us. I'm fucking pissed and very saddened by the loss of an American icon Jennings tweeted. He took that down because he said it was written in anger and the replies. Polarizing and political, which was not his intention. Really, somebody's tweet became political shock. On Hey said prime's death hurt him and that his words quote changed my perspective and calm my emotions. A quote my dad used to crank I ain't hurting nobody in his car I. Remember the first time he heard it. We were in the car lightning one, hundred Nashville we went to the mall and bought the type immediately it didn't let go for months that song always made think of my dad I had the opportunity to tell Mr Pronk this the first. Time, I met him. He was just the best again in my hurt I lashed out looking to blame this pandemic. But I know that we all have a time and place to move on into the great beyond, and this was his at least we are all at hun we can use this time to celebrate Mr Prime and thank him or page on prime. Okay now am I'm only person that is amused by the idea of Waylon Jennings wandering around a mall like. Bob into the Food Portland the food court walks up to like a spyros. I house worst tire records at your Orange Julius. Julius thing. I tell you as long time since I've been to a mall. Did you know they got one whole store sells nothing but ladies Pani draws? Victorian got many secrets left off. White, in a mall. I liked that Casey Moss grave didn't really say anything about John's dance except for on April seventh she simply. tweeted one word which was heartbroken. and. We'll get to her just a second Stephen Colbert amounted to an owner wake for prime that featured Dave Matthews Brandi. Carlile Bruce Springsteen tweeted that he was crushed saying John and our new Dylan's together in the early seventies and he was never anything. But the loveliest guy in the world, a true national treasury and Songwriter for the ages we send our love and prayers to his family. Bette midler was so distraught over the death of her friends. She couldn't muster much more than a tweet that contain prance picture in the words he's gone. Seth Meyers said quote. No one wrote songs about. Human. Com with more grace and wit to quote him. He was in heaven before he died. Must guys honored him with a number of honored him a number of times a clothing. West. Burning one with Bernie one with you or not. You fulfill my bucket list a million times over but I'M NOT GONNA lie I'm still holding out. She said, she saint her dad craft wise in her life. Once when my mom died and once when I got to send with John Prime. Now. Picture show was an online tribute concert because we have to do everything virtually Nile. Virus. featuring a number of people that I've already mentioned scribes. Jackson is Bell shires Carlisle along with Vince. Gill. Bonnie rait Kevin Bacon curious edgewood Billy Bob Thornton and bill. Murray. Murray said at one point he was in quote Hawk although not an actual depression that was robbing him of all his enjoyment. And this is like the most name dropping story could possibly. But his friend, Gonzo journalist and author Hunter S. Thompson. told him that he should listen to John Prime Music. And that did the trick. the, special featuring a never before a Saint Pablo footage some never before saying Kabul footage of prime discussing his signature cocktail a handsome johnny. Coppola. It is comprised of the exact recipe is you feel the cocktail glasses ginger, Ale? Then pour in some are with Abbado at Ginger. Ale. Then drop in a wedge of La more lemon from exactly six inches above the glass but don't squeeze it. That's it. And it does make it. I don't do that as many of your business. Is your sister and this is a business endeavors Sir a new song was. During that special called I remember everything. among the most poignant tributes though was one from Elvis Costello. He said that he discovered prime when he happened onto a forty five in Liverpool Record Ben that contained Sam Stone on one side. And Paradise on the other. He wondering what kind of art that prime might have created of the pandemic that claimed his life he said listeners might want to hear songwriters quote loudly sound the alarm or quite lampoon huxterism. But said Prom would have written about quote and exhausted nurse quarantined in her own addict away from her frightened children or an Ode to the fruit picker who puts the strawberry on our Sunday tar or the delivery driver or Shell. Filler can make sure there's food to purchase for someone to put on the family's table because they same like scenarios or portrait's that might be found in his catalogue. Running songs like that would, of course, require someone with a lot of empathy and probably it would have required John Pratt. That's all. That was really good attain. Thank you. That was good. Are you going to be joining us next week when we talk about Joe E. absolutely a former country music disc jockey, and I'm looking forward to talking about Mr Divvy. Excellent. So just to wrap up guys again, t thank you so much for stepping in Hank you and I and I know you mentioned this every week but it kind of goes without saying if we're talking about somebody like John Prime who had a sixty year music career and is revered as one of the greatest songwriters ever. Anything we could talk we could do a ten hour podcast and we're just scratching the surface. A hundred percent please go listen to music please read the stories please go find interviews about him and performances because there's only so much. We can do in any podcast and there's a million things we left out, but we just kind of want to give you a little thumbnail and hopefully you found. Senator you interesting and you'LL WANNA, go either rediscovers work if you haven't listened to him in a while or find it for the first time if you. Yeah he sounds. He. Sounds. Personally. Like A guy you could sit down and have a good conversation with a rally stay up until like two or three in the morning just talking to you. I'M GONNA. Tell you a couple of great sources for the story. One in it is on Youtube. It's a interview I. Thank. Scott Pelley did for CBS this morning. When they feature people like that, you know they'll. You'll save five or ten minutes of the interview. Will they. There's actually an hour and a half interview that you can find on youtube and that's fantastic. There's one of Peter. Cooper. Who have mentioned a couple of times interviewing he and Bill Murray that you found on Youtube, which is great and then there was an about an hour and a house sit down pick saying talk with he and Sturges Simpson. which was a which was related in some way to the grammys but all those are just fantastic and I give. You such a great picture of who he would he so humble and such a funny guy and so all shucks yeah wrote a little song and it's Just a little thing through together driving to the club one night and you're like I would give my left. You know what to be able to write anything close to that. So. Check those out just just his music and his work and we're GONNA air PROB is best known songs. We leave here in just a second. Yeah. So if you guys think that we're doing a good job you can donate money. No tender top. So seriously like only do it if you're in a good place that's. Patriot dot com slash workable heaven. You can find on twitter at rock and Roll Heaven Lt Our instagram is rock and roll. Heaven. Lt spoke rock and roll has time our website. I'm still not saying it. Email me at rock and Roll Heaven Lt at GMO DOT COM with any questions comments concerns suggestions do not worry guys. I have three suggestions. Don't worry we are. GonNa. Be. Getting to those. and. You guys. 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"Into you sort of get the PRUSSIAN. They're up in the MEZZANINE watching with fascination. Ooh Yeah Ooh now I get it. Yeah and as you get to James. You all know James. Couple of verses people think it was a well known my brethren count it all joy when you fall into the divers temptations trials knowing this that the trying of your faith work of patients and let patients have her perfect worker completed work that Ye may be complete an entire wanting nothing so when you have problems count it all joy now. Christians will use that almost a sarcastic phrase when we have a real say you got a flat tire. Well count it all joy. We kid about it a little bit. But we're supposed to do that. You know when you get that blow out on the freeway. Well God must have some purpose here and you just trust him right okay. Let's keep going here now. The highest when you see. We're we're supposed to be maturing faith. What'S THE END product? What's I often have said in and I'm corrected here. I often said the way you tell how mature you are. It's how much you're measuring maturity by do you hate you. Hate Sin as much as God. Does God hates us in. Loves THE CENTER. We get it backwards. We Love in love. That violence on television loves it. We hate the center. No no no. We got it backwards. We get it backwards. God hates sin but loves the center. The highest attorney isn't what I've said many times. How Much Do you hate? Sin that that is something worth understanding. The HIGHEST FORM. Maturity is measure. Your hope if your hope is complete. You won't get any frustrate. You won't have any frustrations conference in the future over. The president is what hope is confidence in the future over the President Conference. You may not know what the future is but do you have confidence in the future. That's called it's faith that's aimed at future things. You're going to have faith in terms of pass things. I believe that Jesus Christ as the Messiah indeed I mean I can think of all kinds of statements. I could make that. I have faith. No faith aimed at future. Things would be called. Hope he lacks in the future frets over the Lee circumstances. I'd be embarrassed if you knew how often I lose my temper over. Inanimate objects a drawer that sticks something spills. When I didn't intend it to and I get upset but what I watched my Auntie I think about my. What really makes them stupid. And probably some other additives in there. We're talking about inanimate objects now if I get upset with a person a whole different thing and that problem is a lot less than I ever was. I mean that that's something that I think I'm overcoming but I still get upset with a zipper or a jammed door or something and because I'm in a hurry and and that is those that means I trust in the future. It's a lack. It is in effect at the bottom line. A lack of hope. It's a lack of trust. The future fretting frustrations which I'm guilty of often demonstrate a lack of perspective perspective. You don't have know everybody off. Nafta STAND BACK. You laugh at yourself. Why wasn't that stupid was joined difficult circumstance troubles that's the net of all? This difficulties can be are used by God to develop proven character proven character. Let's go on and hope. Make if not a shame because the love of God has shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which has given to us the word ashamed. Here's using the sense of a disappoint put to shame because of disappointment is perhaps the right way to say it in especially an unfulfilled promises ashamed and Khan and Khan crashed with hope and lots of versus. Do with it. The love of because the love of God is shed abroad. The love of God hears used in the subjective genitive case which means it's the ability to comprehend the love that he has for us. That's really what's implied here for us to comprehend. The love is there and shed abroad or poured out. Maybe another way to say it. That's the perfect tense. Which means keep on. Yes you've done it but it continues. The idea is given. That's in the past tense. 'cause that's once and for all that's given once and for all but it continues on. That's way that's the flavor of the Greek infants. The Holy Spirit's mentioned here for the first time in Paul's epistle and he's going to mention it. Twenty Times in this crescendo. That we're anticipating in Romans. Romans eight is the high ground. That's why we're working. We're earning our way up to is to really savor at enjoy this climax who called Romans chapter eight and in Romans. Chapter eight the Holy Spirit of mentioned twenty times interesting contrast now the Ministry of the Holy Spirit is the seal of God. We're going to start looking at the logic. I'm using logic here. On the computer sense. The bullying sense. The logic of this Ministry of the Holy Spirit is the Seal of God. And what does a seal something intended to be never broken never broken? Holy Spirit is the commitment the earnest earnest money or down payment to seal bargain. It's the down payment of their inheritance and glory. That's what the Holy Spirit is. Each believer has the spirit of Christ. We're going to see that hammered and Romans eight when we get every one of you even if you're not speaking in tongues that's a footnote you don't want to. I'm talking about. Check PRESCRIPTIONS TWELVE. Thirteen and fourteen. But anyway move on and is in dwelt by the Holtzman you. If you are a believer he is in dwelling you. There may may not be a lot of evidence of that. You may be very successfully throttled fraud. Alling any outward bowing that but it's there and you got to do with it. There is a shakeup coming. We need to have our priorities straight with our eyes on the world one of the things. We emphasize in the Inner Cornelia to is the track. We have the bereaved track started. The word of God exposition a verse by verse. That's the backbone of it but the track is where we try to understand like the sons of his car. Understand the times the tools. There are very different because not dealing with truth like the Bible dealing with disinformation misinformation bias. That's inherent in the information. That's available to us. Nevertheless through all that there are to try to understand. What really is true. What is really happening and as we do that we WANNA do that. For Stewardship on the one on the other hand want to be very careful. We do that not to have is on the world but on him. Anyway getting back. Persecution is a catalyst for Christian growth and the body of Christ is going to have a tremendous opportunity for growth. In the next few years the complacency and the apathy that has characterized the last few decades is gonNA evaporate before is for lots of different reasons and people who have been apathetic or complacent are going to be awoken and searching for answers. And God's calling you to be prepared to give them those answers that's what the third commandment is all about thou shalt not take the name of the Lord God in vain. It's Talk Madame. Basser ship not vocabulary. Not About swearing that's about ambassadorship. If you're going to take on the name of the king which I think most of you would raise your hand so you are then you better be prepared to represent that king competently and faithfully because persecution is coming as a catalyst for Christian growth. That's GonNa there's GonNa be exciting times if you have your focus on the right things. The blessed hope the hope of his appearing pressures should lead to exultation character grows. That's what James Means that you should count it. All joy hope is simply the certainty you have about. God's promises for the future dea believing then if so rejoice I'm so worried about Israel the bombers rockets and the death. Hey He that keeps Israel will be the slumber sleep. I don't worry about Israel. 'cause God's hand on them. I do worry about America for lots of reasons. Let's continue for six and when we were yet without strength in due time Christ died for the ungodly. That's amazing. He died for the ungodly now. If anyone's a cabinet here my apologies to you. He died for the ungodly. He died for all men. Well he only died for those who are safe. That's a calvinistic idea. That's not biblical. The doesn't mean the Calvin Sarong about everything. But the wrong about that. He died for everybody is not willing that any should perish. All COME TO REPENTANCE. Wasn't limited. There's no limited atonement not in the Bible when we were yet without strength in due time Christ died for whom me the ungodly the four is like one of these. Therefore it's the logical connector show. How great that love is love. The greatness of his love is is substantiated by the kind of people he died for undeserving. Totally undeserving helpless. That's where you can do nothing to help yourself absolutely nothing. Not even a little. You can't assist the process and the ungodly means incompatible and at the right time every was done at the right time not really not late at the right time. Dudas had not plan to betray Christ that night because they had planned not to do on a feast day. Fear the Romans. It happened at night because Christ made it happen at night because he announces somebody buggies going to betray me. The words out. It's like saying it's like saying to Fisher cut bait. Now's your point if you're going to do what you gotTa do it now. You WanNa have a choice but you do quickly yet. A split make arrangements. They hadn't made the arrangement. That's why there's GonNa Seventy Long. There's a lot going on behind the scenes to make it all happen. In due time house all taught is taught by sacrifices which in the past and the autism are like a passion play the sacrifice sacrifices and all that stuff was a foreshadowing of the cross was going to be. Are They GonNa be sacrificing the Millennium Absolutely? They'll be celebrations rather than after the fact rather than celebrations. Before the fact strangely enough the passion play of instant passes like Psalm. Twenty two passages like Isaiah fifty three which is written seven hundred fifty years. Before the fact or day you'll nine which lays down precisely virtually five centuries before the fact four hundred three years earlier all taught taught by scripture and taught by the enactment taught by the festivals. The seven piece of Moses. Lay It all out if he h. Y. Christian wash understand. What's behind all of those but what's over. What's we're written are learning Paul tells? They'll tell us that later. Rooms fifty. Let's go on here. We're scarcely scarcely for a righteous man will one die. There's very few people really deserve. They deserve to be died for. You don't normally volunteer for that sort of thing yup adventure for a good man. Some would even dare to die and they they have. Our soldiers have stood up to be counted and willingness to give their life for this country. They may not realize that they have picked up the obligation to do that for the UN. And I had a big debate at the Naval Academy homecoming months ago with a leadership. There and you try to explain to me how they rationalize an office for the constitution means you're subject to the UN says. If that's the case I wouldn't let my go to the Academy's Anyway. We had a little tiff about that. But the point is let's move on here. This is in contrast by the way to human thinking. The highest expression of human love. And God's love. Is there anyone that you would die for? You could probably list bless number on one hand. I'm sure turn around the are any of those willing to die for you. That might make the number even smaller but God commanded his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners. Christ died for us. Christ died for you before you were a good guy. Assuming you've ever work okay. Command if soon as CEO is the word actually for competitive demonstrates proven action. Not with words in action. That's what the word commend. They're the Greek meets while centers. The word means defiantly rebel against with scorn rebelling against God with scorn. That's US gang. Then we get one of the many much. Moore's this is the first of a whole series of much morse. Paul loves that phrase much more than much more than much more than being now justified by his blood. That's what we're justified by. We'll come back this all. This is all about justification we shall be saved from wrath through him. You don't want Rath. Trust me what can be more than this fact is blood already. There's nothing more valuable more effective for your benefit and the blood of Jesus. Christ that overshadows anything you may have done. What about NASA in the Old Testament blood from border to border shed at his with his rampages? You've got forgave him before it was over. Even him justify justified justification fancy word. Meeks declared righteous. You're not right just yet. But before the throne of God you're declared righteous you've got that label declared innocent. I'm that's okay declared innocent really great. I'll take it. I'll take this ties to the first thing you know. First versus. How then can one ever one say be lost? If that's what saved you. Can you lose your salvation? There are a lot of people around. Say Once you've got to preserve your salvation. People who say that. Do not understand the pauline definition of salvation. Because if you're saved you're born again how come unborn once you're born again. You might not be what you should be but you're still born again. There's a whole nother issue. We'RE GONNA get to call sanctification whole different story. No worry about right now. How can one ever one save be lost answer? You can't be because you're saved through him not us. You've been listening to sixty six forty the ministry outreach of Cornelia House and Clinton Institute. Today's Bible teacher was Dr Check. Mesler teaching through the book of Romans for a complete listing of resources available please visit K House Dot. Org You can also call us on one eight hundred K. House one to learn more about quantity institude please visit institute dot. Org Thank you for listening to sixty six forty and for your continued. Prayerful support of this ministry until next time as we continue this series. May God bless you with the knowledge of his son. 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There can be times of uproarious laughter and fun and seasons of deep satisfaction and reward. But what happens when the idyllic family becomes not so perfect and chaos takes over. That's the question. Chuck's went all tackles today on insight for living whether you're married single divorced an active parent or an during grandparent willing. Gaijin a study that promises to yield practical wisdom on child rearing. Today's message is part of the Classic Biblical parenting series. And we begin with prayer rebound together so world is many things are father and we are living to see what changes can occur places at once. We're strong to preach the scriptures had become weakened because of the system of the world that has slipped in. This world is a hostile place. We hear of it every day. We suck in our breath but we also acknowledge our father that this is your world and you were carrying out your purposes in it and through it you are in sovereign control over it in spite of the evil that exists our God in the heavens. He does what he pleases. So teach us to live in the tension of an evil world remembering that all things occur out of your plan and purpose though much of it doesn't make sense in this life. We realize when we are with you it will all come together. I pray for those among us who are either themselves rebels on the run. They have in their family. One Who is in that category speak in a very special way to those on this occasion as we learn from the truth of a story. Our Savior told which is timeless as it is true. What a stirring stirring reminder this is our father of all of us in our journey on this earth how we can easily identify with this boy and how great it is to witness the grace of a father to welcome back and not only to forgive him but to restore him to a place of significance indignity in the home and family. Pray for all those today. Who At this very moment? Find themselves distant from you and I asked that you would draw them to yourself as only you can do pray also God for every father in this place and for the role he feels not simply in the life of his family and his children but in his community and in this world that has lost. Its Way I pray that you would raise up godly men from our midst and use them in significant ways not just fathers but all men and I pray that you would cause this world to realize what you can do in the life of an individual wholly dedicated to you speak to us in whatever area of need we may have this day and bring encouragement and hope especially those who are broken and bruised and lost is in the name of Jesus our Savior who we worship today. And all God's people said a man you're listening to insight for living to search the scriptures with chuck swindle be sure to download his searching the scriptures studies by going to insight world dot org slash studies and now the message called when the fun stops for parents when rebellion occurs. It isn't cute or humorous or just a stage. It isn't an idol matter that we cast off is all active mischievous nece when it reaches the place where there is no room for correction or reason or negotiation or council when other children are being negatively affected by the rebel in the home. Making the family miserable. It's time to release them to the consequences. That will follow. That's at the heart of the story. Jesus tells in the Fifteenth Chapter of Luke. If you carry a Bible with red letters you will see all of the stories in red. Jesus is telling this story because there is no proper name mentioned it may very well have been another parable an imaginary story on the other hand one wonders if Jesus knew a family who has gone through this and rather than embarrassing the family by giving names. He simply tells. The story tells the story of the family. This family is soon to be in pain because the father has to exert tough love. Here's the story not just of a prodigal son but of a very wise and secure father we read of the story beginning at verse. Eleven where the man really has two sons and you need to understand ethnically and culturally in that day in a Jewish home. The father's inheritance would be passed along to his two sons. If there were just two two Thurs to the older and a third to the younger it would happen either when he retires or when the man dies and it was possible for a father simply to act on it when neither had occurred so that before retirement or perhaps ebbing given time when the children reach a certain age. The inheritance is then given to the children. In this case the younger son is the one who steps up and rather impudently says in so many words. GimMe my inheritance now. Dead so without an argument without a sermon we read. He divided his between them so the older son. Gets two-thirds and this young rebel gets a third. The next several words intrigue me when I read not many days later the younger son gathered everything and went to a distant country before we go further alleged. Be mentioned that probably it was gentle country because of the mention of swine later on swine never found anywhere near a Jewish home so he went along the way. He doesn't need his dad or his dad's friends or somebody. The Dad may send to spy on things in his way he wants to get get out of here and as often follows the decision of a prodigal he needs a few secrets that nobody else needs to know of after all. I'm old enough to handle it. And I got the money to finance it. So he goes to a distant country and their Jesus says he squandered his estate with loose living probably started by picking out a brand new red and gold chariot with special chrome. Wheels. That'll work about stallions that to pull it make you feel like a hot shot. And he prances way to a distant country and he looks the part before long. He's got money and he finds his real find pad up with a nice view of the water outside and before long. He's got his apartment full of friends that love to eat drink and be merry along with some women that will do whatever he wants them to do with him. And his passions kick into high gear. His companions are fast. Shallow News appetites are clearly out of control. His money finally runs out and his friends bail on him. The laughter fades to silence and before long. He can't make the payments on his apartment in life gets tough and wouldn't you know it recession hits? We're familiar with those aren't we? And in this case it's called a famine and were not familiar with that. We may be. Someday there's nothing to eat. There's nothing to buy even if he had the money. And you realize for the First Time. That proverb is father quoted him his true. The way of the transgressor is hard proverbs. Thirteen fifteen and thirteen eighteen poverty and shame will come to him who lacks discipline. All of that comes home to roost. If you've ever been there you don't need any further explanation. Not only does he have the presence of those proverbs in his mind. He's now facing the absence of the one who had meant the most to him in his life his father. The absence of his father is almost more than he can. Bear statement right here in this story at the end of verse fourteen. He began to be impoverished. The Greek word means to be completely deficient to lack to come short of and what made matters worse. He had no one to blame but himself. Where did that money go? That sounds like my dad used to quote to me. Richest make themselves wings. They fly away as an eagle toward heaven. Those dollars go. We're all we're shekels go and I'm hungry tonight. The story unfolds in such a way that we are intrigued. He went and hard himself out to one of the citizens of that country who sent him into his fields to feed Swai. Really you being gentiles. Can't appreciate it but if you're Jewish you know exactly exactly how degrading that job was. Knee deep and pig slop and excrement. What an awful awful job to go to every day along with a stomach. That doesn't start. Growling follows every night and I notice at the end versus teen. After saying he would gladly a beaten. What the pigs eight. But nobody gave him anything and and you know what else is. Eloquent is the absence of the father. No messages are being sent from home. No little gifts with more money not even speiser around to tell the father how things are going on his own. He is up against it. That is exactly what he needed. Exactly what it would take. The father knew then and here. He is in this pig sty and every night going to bed hungry and suddenly listen to it. A light goes on. We read of it. In verse. Seventeen. He came to his senses. When I have parents come to me and tell me the tragic story of what their son or daughter is going through and their great temptation to go and relieve them because after all the girl is now turned to prostitution and the boy also was selling his body in some awful scene in the back alleys of the big city. I've had those people come to me too and their story would shock you. What they're willing to do just to be able to put food in their stomach. He came to his senses. You know what that tells me? Listen closely he's been out of his senses. I parents who are at wit's end what is going on is temporary insanity you want to reason with your son but there's no room to reason you. WanNa Council with your daughter but there's no ear to hear the council said the and I have a friend in his life that happened in. The young woman became a prostitute in Los Angeles as a matter of fact before she came to an end of herself a friend went to plead with her to come back to her husband and to her children and she refuses. There is an insanity that accompanies this kind of lifestyle. Rebellion is as the sin of devastation. And then idolatry. It captivates you. It holds you to finally come to your senses boy. When he came to his senses began to talk to himself how many of my fathers hired men have more than enough bread. And I'm dying here with hunger. He's remembering back. You remembers how much food was even left on the table after the meals. He remembers that the service got more than he will ever get living worries living and the memory of all of that falls on him and he says I am here. I am dying with hunger with a dire straits may oppose here and Warren any parent listening right now. Do not rush to their rescue. Do not go do not check up. Do not wait for them for Christmas. Do not celebrate the birthday and begged him to come back for it. Let them go. Let them go. And in the lung and an eight of the hunger and the misery wakeup this temporary insanity. If you're not careful will make you a little crazy. It may take your child. Failing in school being expelled from school getting arrested spending time in a prison. Living in the streets of abuse and perversion. It may result in the child getting a sexually transmitted disease years of aloneness in attempted suicide. And you wait and you pray that they will come to their senses. Not until the younger dealt hurts enough. We'll that young man or woman come to the senses. Let them go leave them alone. Don't stop praying you weep you will twist and turn and bid you will. You'll get sick. I've been there and some of you are there. None of what I share today is theoretical. The boy doesn't know is that the father was up day and night praying pouring out his heart asking God to bring his son to his senses alert years ago. A line that I've used on occasion pain plants. The flag of reality in the fortress of a rebel heart pain plants the flag of reality. In the fortress of rebel heart. The flag has been planted. The light comes on the scene. That follows is one of the great scenes of restoration. My Love It. Every time I read it it speaks to me in a fresh way. He came to his senses verse. Seventeen what happens well? He thinks now very realistically life does seem that much fun. That far away from Home Hunger is never enjoyable and friends like that. Who NEEDS THEM? Nobody's come back to his senses. Verse Eighteen will get up and go to my father and I will away. Wait look at that look at that not. I will get up and go back to my room. Nope not the room. He's going back to. I'll get up and go back to my home where there's more than the winter in and there's a cool breeze in the summer. No No. I'm not going back to my home. Well we'll get up and go back to my friends. My jaw neither one. I will go back to me. I will back to the one with whom I had that relationship. I love that I will go back to my dead. Who had that talk with me? Those few hours before I split. I'll go back to my foot. There isn't even the thought that he can't. He knows his dad. He knows his dad loves him? That love never stops by the way it goes on and on even even when it is spurned. Who knows I'm restless nights? The dead spent praying himself through the wee hours of the morning. Who knows how often he went out early in the morning and the missed dawn on the porch at that horizon to see if there might be his boy. There are not worse to describe the heart ache and the tension between the love of a father and the judgment of this wise man. I'll get up and go to my father and so he practices. His speech is what I'M GONNA say Father I've sinned against Heaven and in your side. I'm no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hard men. There's shame and guilt dripping from that statement I am so unworthy soul undeserving. You don't even me a roof over my head but if you will please grant me a place back in the shed where the hired servants. Just just that so much better than this. That's what I'll do verse twenty one so good love to preach. This is our moment right now. Folks this is the moment so we got up and he came to his nope. Nope came to his room. Came to his father came to his father his father his father and while he was still a long way off their ears on the porch what he does love it when it was still a long ways off. His father saw him and felt compassion. Look at the first response rather than on a show that whippersnapper. I'M GONNA put him in a corner for the next three years. 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Vaccines are told well makers Thursday at the country's in deep stuff and I'm being polite replacing an expletive that from the New York Daily News Dr Richard Bright Fodder whistleblower complaint after being abruptly removed last month from his Krona Virus Vaccine Development Post right told lawmakers the US is severely unprepared for war. Corona virus fallout because top administration. Officials ignored his early warnings and then retaliated against him for sounding the alarm. The Daily News reports bright said the severity of the problem. Dogged on him in late January when you received an email from a medical supply company executive warning him that mass stockpiles were already getting dissipated. Climate activists are pleased with much of the new proposed stimulus bill but they are urging Congress to make sure it puts the needs of people over corporate profits. The House could vote today on the proposed. Heroes Act a new three trillion dollar stimulus in relief package. Many progressives appraising the bill for incorporating elements of the essential workers bill of rights proposed by Senator Elizabeth Warren they include economic protections for essential workers regardless of immigration status extended unemployment benefits and twenty five billion dollars for the US Postal Service but according to tunnel Yaku PTA gay with three fifty dot org. It could go even further. It should include provisions of the rewind act to prevent oil corporations from exploiting the Kuban nineteen pandemic for financial gain. Three SIXTY DOT. Org is compiled. A list of seven policy. Priorities is the group says would strengthen worker protections and helped pave the way for climate resilient recovery I'm Andrea Sears reporting and Wisconsin's stayed home order for the pandemic was due to run through may until these state Supreme Court ended it much sooner however that is not stopping local and county governments from carrying out their own orders. 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Virginia officials are criticizing Federal Leaf for the seafood industry as woefully short Virginia will see only four and a half billion dollars to a one and a half billion dollar industry according to Chris War with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation many of these businesses which are are very small operators and many of them within a tremendous amount of money gear up for the season and then had to shutdown just prior to the season. Starting obviously are going to need additional financial. Help a bipartisan group of twenty five senators from states with hard hit seafood sectors including are pushing Senate leaders to increase funding to a billion dollars in the next pandemic relief. Bill finally. How do you vote by mail in Washington? If you don't have an address Eric Tate off tells us people who are homeless. Have some options to get their ballots counted in the Evergreen State? Hillary Coleman Seattle King County Coalition on Homelessness. Says it's important to understand. 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The movie Planned planned dynamic movie Dot Com but is is is is is from a different perspective. It's having gone through the criminal. Justice system wrongful RASTA. He just WHOA. Whoa WHOA WHOA. Whoa WHOA well. What was it you know driving while Brown or something? I mean what what's going on here. So you know. This is That perspective a lot of people go all. Well it's like enemy of the state you know with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. I think it was. You know They we want them to be discredited before they even open their mouth. They you know throw kittens in this world. Cactuses they you know they help blow ladies with the garbage. I mean they you know whatever they gotta do or say to discredit anyone before they even say anything so when they got someone that's got dirt on the man I'm Negga. Ooh Get a mugshot. Listen what they did to Dr Michael. Bits and it just did. They did the wrong person. Who's just pissed her off. So you know as time goes on you know revenge sweet sometimes but I mean she was not in this for that she understood how important her discoveries were and the health of the planet. Well this is a planetary battle. Well give some perspective on that. I like to get his review on the movie and so on but it's also it's more than that. It's a perspective on the justice system on the criminal justice system on law enforcement and their institutions. It is the idea that we're supposed to have respect for the authority of Badge. And when you lose that and you know the truth you've gone through you know certainly as a talk show host an activist and had a lot of friends time and signed you know. I've been arrested before you know they. They always wind up. Let go or something like that but I you know at de convicted. They were convicted. But I'm telling you it's not the way you think it is a lot of people. Listening audience may know. But it's it's it's not the way it's portrayed in the movie while some movies but it's certainly not the way that they want you to believe the system really works. Welcome to the show. You said you know Kinda expand on that thought right there you know you. You're coming into this whole thing with a different perspective and then of course you know. Why did you Review Plan? Democ movie to begin with but I want to hear about your perspective. With these systems. Well I think I'll start with the reason. I reviewed the plan. Damage Movie I'd never heard of Judy Megabit before But you know I was following this very closely because a lot of what's going on with the With the Borana virus and what I perceived was going to be served in gain which was eventually Chipping people You know the further restriction of Rights Elimination Total limitation of privacy and. That's what I'm all about. All about private rights and you know enforcing private rights and teaching people how to protect their privacy and so forth so this right here you know ever since the nineties. I've been studying. You know people may want to call it conspiracy theory You know but we had been you know steady. You know the plans of the elite for a new world order and what that New World Order Ball and then The onset of the corona virus I started seeing the wheel starts at turn a little bit in that direction and so I started following very closely. You know news broadcast about the corona virus and then started to notice a lot of doctors to come out and start to say the numbers. Were skewed You know the information. There was a lot of misinformation being put out into the public. They're being forced to you know call You know assess corona virus a diagnose on what were thrown avars without testing them and so forth. And then I came across this video called plan dimming with his doctor and she just appeared to You know how you have someone who's Kinda like you can tell they kinda gone through the same thing you went through because you can listen to them talk and like yes she. That's the same thing I went through while all around them. People is arrested She stole paperwork. she She didn't I'm like look that you know I already know. None of that happened Because I know how they operate you know I know how the and also there's a maximum of law that says to Prosecute I'm I'm I'm not sure this is verbatim. But it's basically say is prosecute the one so as to serve as an example for the mini. And it's like a maximum law. You can find it in a black a backup black. Aw Dictionary and they use that a lot In particular they were using that in my particular field when people were doing what is called a ten ninety nine y e process try to discourage people from violence in ninety nine and Y de saying that they were doing it incorrectly. And there's a lot of things that didn't make any sense whatsoever so I started To basically review her video. Because I saw in there. How as soon as she came out with it you had this. Plethora of individuals making videos reviewing plan damning. And all. We're saying the same thing all this lady doesn't know what she's but she's a scientist she's the scientists and I could tell a very you know she was right there. You know on the ground the ground with the none of these other people were so I can tell they sent out their minions to discredit her and I thought she needed some support From a you know a person who has been through it himself with the Federal Government and I went through it in the nineties. late nineties early two thousands with the federal government A couple of times. I've had a couple of rounds with them Were they put some fake charges on me and I At that point I didn't know any law or anything like that and I made a promise to myself that I was going to be afraid and I wasn't going to waste my time anymore and I and from that point spent the next three years studying The Constitution Law Statutory Laws Privacy contract the UC's e Redemption process and a lot of different things like that and going back and forth into court Seeing how they will put fake evidence on you the threats that they do and all of that and at end of the day Also understanding that You know because here's something else idea too. I was quote unquote a jailhouse lawyer. When I was in there so I had an opportunity. I long you in. How long were you in about three years long enough and I wasn't convicted of anything else fighting three years without being convicted. And what did give me a bomb. During that time helping with her cases you got me on the edge fever going into bring man leave it right there. We're we're playing jailhouse lawyer. You know this this double come back with this is Yeah everybody's in their own scituate deal with out you see over what you learn. We'll be right. Are you feeling confused? About the current economic reports. That dominate the headlines. Not sure if this is a good time to buy or sell your home or feel like the process can be overwhelming and confusing. This is Donna. Hancock was over reliance realty in Phoenix Arizona. And I can take some of the guesswork out of the home buying or selling process providing you with market trends in your area and detailing what to expect before during and after the process a home is a place where the most important moments in your life happened so making sure that you know exactly what to expect along. The way helps to ensure that you have control. The future is here. 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Do video and what. I'm teaching people as I'm teaching people about the difference primarily between public and private. I think that most people do not understand the nature of government then understand. They don't understand their rights okay. Rides can only be enforced and contracts. Believe it or not They don't understand public and private. What the public constitutes. The public has government essentially anything that has public connected to. It is usually go government. Funded or government regulated in some kind of way and privacy is the absence of government and so primarily. That's what I have dedicated my life to teaching people and I have or rules that I give people and rule number one. Is there any money in our society? We HAVE NO MONEY. There is no golden silver Everything is dead based And the money is dead based Rule number two there's the public and private and they don't mix That is a very important route understand. They don't ever mixed public and private. And you not ever make public and private as well. also Third Religious. You have to be an honorable individual to stay an honor at all costs. The only way you can be afforded. Aram a remedy is if you are an honorable individual truth only fears to be covered to understand that and the fourth rule is do not participate in public plays in other words when you go into the judicial system it is a play it is a front it is not a real judicial system. Their court system is fake. Okay it is not an article three court when you go on the federal level and you go into the United States District Court. Those are not judicial courts. Those article three courts. Those are Article One legislative tribunals under Article One section eight clause nine of the constitution. Okay and you have to understand. Separation of powers doctrine. Understand that once you understand the true nature of the court. Now you'd be begin to understand why it appears to be so much injustice in the court because you approaching courts with the wrong with his common-law idea that it's about troop justice in the American way when they are cash register courts commercial courts is nothing like that. You know that's a good observation. And what we learned over the years is that just even an arrest creates a bond or a value that they they trade. You know what I mean it. Just the arrest is has a value on it that they're like deriving income from. I didn't even got anything from your yet. You know it's amazing. How bad this thing is. I'm but I will get into a lot of that but I wanted to as you this revelation that you had while you're incarcerated I'm wondering you know the people that you were helping. Did you learn along with them at the same time today? Come to the same conclusion. Well what happened was You know a lot of people who were in there. They weren't very educated You know At all so I couldn't really teach them about you. Know How to go into court and defend yourself and things like that so I did a lot of basic things like some drug I would Go into court Is Why learn about The doctrine of the fruit of the pores in his tree. You know get K. Let you go in and represent them in court. Oh no no no no no. I didn't represent mcchord but I would file paperwork. Our jail them to do certain things that would get their case thrown out and It worked for a couple of people. I got a couple of people out of jail. A based off of that and in the in the in the course of doing that I yes. I started learning a lot about the law and studying the law In helping other individuals that expanded my knowledge of the law procedure You know jurisdiction You know the constant you know. I've done a lot of I mean. I've gone so far at three cases Arizona Supreme Court bunch of local cases argued BEF- oral argument for the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on stuff. I file against the man but I tell you that the first thing that I learned is Dado give a crap. It don't mean nothing it's all and so the most I got out of. It was the press that I got the general public opinion based on these kinds of things. So I'm just like you know wanting to make sure that you know. Your revelation is explained to the audience as you go through all this. What did you learn what I learned was? Okay like you just said you know you. Obviously you've gotta serve your area to the Supreme Court which is an achievement in itself if you were able to have your case review by the Supreme Court Because the only review probably about one hundred something as hundred one phase one hundred two something like that a year but The thing that I learned the most would you're calling don't care What the judge they're doing is they're taking silent judicial notice of certain facts. That are not being spoken okay. They're not being spoken one. Is Your status okay? Which is that of a US citizen and people need to understand what a US citizen in Prior to the what was I think? Civil War or the Fourteenth Amendment Thirteenth Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. There was no such thing as A. Us citizen there was only state citizenship. Here or your Georgeanne or yeah yeah so. Us citizenship is federal citizenship. And you know. The jurisdiction of the federal government has outlined in Article. One section eight clause seventeen so A. 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It's time for declare your independence with Ernest Hancock to be a part of the show. Call six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred can't talk. I'm joined by USA. Felt am I saying that right use of USA? You are okay. You should says he wants to talk about Doctor Judy Mica Vets Plan democ movie. And why review that and what you know. I'm not even really got into you. Know vaccinations or forced vaccinations at the whole `nother thing and But it's just the how the system is used against people. And that's kind of what? Gotcha morning thing. I mean you can participate on your views on vaccines or mandated vaccines and so on. But it was that what drew you to it. I mean yes. It was because She she came across to me is very honest as well. As the fact you know like I you I went through the same thing so and listening to her talk. You know when you've gone through something and you can listen to somebody and then you've got these people over here. Oh she's criminal. She stole something. They're just twisting everything and that's what they do they twist everything And I just like now. Let me give the people the real deal on the federal government because everybody who has gone Tests that had to deal with the federal government knows what I'm talking about. It's only the people who have been had to deal with them. Don't understand how they can make up charges. I'm how once you get. A charge doesn't seem everything that you saw on television. That doesn't seem to apply. You know the evidence You know I when I did the jailhouse lawyer thing. I have probably lived over two hundred cases all of them looked exactly the same journeys file the exact same paperwork. They they'll be the file a motion Just France and motion for bond and that was about it. That's all you're GONNA get on your case. Oh my thing was okay. Well there's no affidavits Bil- There's no evidence or anything. What are you GonNa win a case and you? You haven't put together a defense or anything like that. They're all doing the same thing all lending and it doesn't matter how much money you paid. I had people in their faith attorneys three four hundred thousand dollars. Twenty thousand fifty thousand a change in the name on the form and file it again and it was still a saying. It's still the same you know so. It didn't matter how much money that they pay guys. They would still be in the same situation as anyone else and I started noticing. Now Start paying a lot of attention to the record but with Judy. That's what I noticed. I noticed that when I didn't like is how all these people started making these videos soon as planned. It came out that were attempting to discredit her. And I didn't see them as professional. I'm like this lady right. Here is a scientist. She's been doing this for years. And you can see that she sincere and what he's talking about and she's trying to get the truth out to individuals and people are trying to cover the truth and then her wherewithal and our dedication to what she believe in. That's what I admired about the woman at least put something out there As a show some sort of support for what she was doing. Thank you thank you. You know the the hero in this. Of course you know Dr Judy. Certainly a hero in this but has been her husband and it was you know. I. I haven't directly talked to him using the background. Sometimes you know. Say Hey right along when I'm interviewing but I'm going to be a husband that just sticks buying goes through this whole thing takes the back seat and you know you go do your thing and I'm here. No worry about it. And what has given her enormous strength and I'm going there's got to be. There's always a strong woman behind every great man kind of thing and I go well. You know there's a man behind the strong woman. He needs a props man. Somebody's really play him in the movie. You know so. It's been an interesting When we first started talking to hers when she had just under I took plague and talked about Iraq and was happening but she didn't really understand what was going on. Like you do when you go through to you go man. It's just a money thing. They're playing the game well and she went through the same process. I did you know early out thirty years ago. But if the press find out but people knew but if you talk your legislator if and then you meet it within three months I could see. They're all in on it there. I I contacted The ACLU The N. Double ACP the Justice Department Flew a other everybody. I could think I got a long list too long lists of people that I wrote. The governor even contacted governor. Everybody and didn't get any help from not one single organization. I what what is it when you say help I mean what are you looking for an example? I'll give you a good example. All my case they told you they didn't have any witnesses all right and have any witnesses so I said okay. I'll tell you what I'm on demand a speedy trial because they'll let you languish in jail for up to eight months before they'll let you sit and the incoming your lead deal so in Georgia You have to demand speedy trial within the first two terms of the filing of the charges against you and a term it usually goes again according to what county that you're in so like you know it could be two months and that's when they convene a grand jury so in Atlanta was every two months every two months they would have a grand juries. I had four months to file a demand speedy trial I I had to. I had to fire my attorney because you can't find any paperwork. If you represented by counsel okay that they're going to take knowledge. Yeah so even brought me into court. I formerly fired him on the record removed him. From my case we even went into the courtroom to do. This went back together demand for speedy trial at the expiration of two terms. They have to They have to let you go and drop the charges after dropped the charge. Then bring your core. They'll bring you to trial in two terms. That's it and see this is the chess moves that you can use against them especially in situations when they have no witnesses they'll have any witnesses or anybody can call. They just charged with something. Like what are you charging me was something? Okay let me bring you into court to testify. Will your witnesses who saying I did this. The bringing a court. They didn't bring me into court. It expired so then not demand for dismissal and AK brought me into court and say oh we appointed you an attorney You can find something. There's nothing on the record that was show. You're pointing attorney. And Attorney has to put in a notice of inch of appearance if he's going to represent there's nothing on this so at that point. I began to see. They're not following any of the rules. I call him straight out on a procedural issue. Because that's the okay. No you're not gonNA recognize any just private information. I'm a procedural okay. They didn't follow that. Okay and then I started looking versus. Somebody come investigate. I called the Department of Justice. They didn't do anything. Nobody did anything. So you know so my thing on it. Is You know your judicial system your entire system all that stuff that you're seeing on television propaganda all those court. Tv shows don't believe that inundated. You're sitting there saying you know your system. It's not your system to look at it as I. I thank you today mine. Put It on back it like this is something that we all have. I guess it is all our system in the bag that we have all elected to be. Us citizens and that is the primary thing be you should be a US national actually or especially Caucasian people Caucasian people have no reason to be a US citizen the now. 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Fm Freedom is the answer. What's the question listening to Ernest Wad? Rob Governates folded. So Oh yeah. That's all we do here to. Slogan is Governor Secrets in exposing the lies man. If we are busy I know we had a listener call in from. I think he's from Missouri and he said I WANNA get hold of him. I have some issues legal. Whatever the lawyers aren't worth squat and I grabbed something so I'm going all right now. Well you know these guys they Amana L. Everybody wants help but I'm going up but he's willing to talk to. You can contact them at high frequency dot blog spot no no high frequency blog talk. Dot Com high frequency blog. Talk Dot Com. I Have Quincy blog. Talk so there you go. You know dear me Gwen just give them send him something. But I mean you know you don't want to marry you won't get relationship to skip to the end. Tell him what the issue is given what he needs. To have an opinion he might be able to direct you but you know what ninety percent of the time I get these kinds of requests and they'll come in with all your but the law says and but they're supposed to but I'm going man you don't understand they don't care that don't have anything to do with it. Were I get? The most impact is attention. General Public Opinion People. Knowing what's up you know Sharon doing some street activism couple of signs. Get the press ball know. Do something that makes them half to you. Know be seen for what the hell they are right. And that's why I went and start making youtube videos and in particular started like Reading making audio books for people because people don't WanNa read so you know I said okay. I'll make an audio book for you so you can listen in your car. You know people will self educate you have to educate yourself because a person who doesn't know his rights than have any rights. Okay you gotTa know you have to know okay you can't go looking for someone else To assist you with your problem well defined you know there. I hear that a lot. You GotTa Know Your Rights. What do I got to know him? I just I just am. I mean I'm just I mean what's the basic define what your rights are. I mean is there a list you know what I mean? What are you talking about? Okay a right is a remedy and usually rights have to be reduced down and these particular courts I just read something from an attorney. Who said this he said rights are only enforceable contracts? So contract law is private law. Because you've got to understand it public and private thing so a lot of contracts we got this thing called minimum contacts and a lot of us are connected to the system at this next contracts with its driver's license social security card Marriage license any kind of license that you have Put your children in public school registering your are on. All of these things create This nexus that allows operational presumption that you have a certain status vice vie with the federal government which is of course a US citizen and as you're not afforded a right to go into an article three core an article. Three court is there to protect private right okay. That's you're not going into that court. You're going into an article one court which is an administrative corps. The judge they're calling the judge a judge is not really a judge Joji Administrator and he's conducting a ministerial duty other words. He's doing what he's told by the legislature so this is all controlled by the legislature not the judicial branch of Government. That you actually being adjudicated by it is the legislative branch of Government. That is doing it and all of their powers that have been delegated to them fall under. Article One section eight of the Constitution. So these are things you need to understand. When I say you're right it is your responsibility. Okay as a citizen No at least the constitution. I'm not saying study everything in the Law Library but you need to know the principles I knew about separation of powers when I was in elementary school. I you know we had schoolhouse rock. You all it. Is You know you go on the Internet bill? You know so so. There are certain fundamental things that before. You can complain as a citizen. Okay it is your duty to know certain things yourself especially in light of the fact that these are public servants and they have to be over The oversight of these public servants comes from us. Okay let's skip to the end on this. Yes Yourself I wanna you know I am of the opinion and gone through all this kind of whatever. I'm that's why the show is called. Declare your independence of their understand the declaration of independence was you know like the thing and the basic concept. I said and for these reasons we break with the intro dog poop under shoes. I mean we're we're not okay. We'RE BROKEN UP. And the reason they said the only reason it says it right there the only reason you create government is the protection of individual rights when it stops doing that when it's never sister that when it's one violating it it's you're right. It's your duty to alter or abolish and create another government or not is in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence by man. That's it that's defend my individual rights. What the freaking good are you? You're supposed to protect me for the lockdown. You're supposed to protect me to keep my job. You're supposed to protect me from being able to travel. You're supposed to be there for me to be able to Right of assembly. Not Be the one stopping me. I go when they did this lockdown. We're done done. Lemass Your Question Okay. Do you have constitutional rights or constitutionally protected rights constitutionally protected supposedly? I waited constitutional rights rights. Don't come from the constitution. I The constitution is a limitation on government that document forms government and outline the duties of government. Which is protect your borders. Protect your property and protect your liberty. The constitution was supposed to do that. It failed miserably. I mean it's not only did it like an abled. The bad guys to do all the crap they were supposed to not be able to do. You know there is a You know I'm not. I can't totally agree with you on that. I think that They found a loophole in the constitution. The loophole in the Constitution as article. One section eight clause seventeen again that gives the federal government. Plenty of power over insular possession Guam or Rico American Samoa all federal property and all US citizens because US citizens or federal property. That's that's what it is. Okay how do we get out of? This is it general public opinion. We just gotTa get learned to fight or something. I mean what the solution man we're done in a minute or two thousand. Okay you just say declare your independence. I came on the show because now I would say a different way to protect your private rights. I would say for you to declare your independence. You have to know the difference between public and private okay. Because the attack. That's coming is an attack on privacy on private rights. They don't want any private property. They want any private anything any of that okay. So that's what you have to understand if you're GONNA have rights where your rights are located because the public has rights to call the public rights doctrine. You need to understand that so public and private so once you understand the demarcation line that separates public private now. You understand where your rights are. I like King Me. Public has what they're right. I'm GonNa ask you something gun. Rights got the Second Amendment Gun. Right right they don't call them guns they call them fire on okay now. These guns are created in corporations that are registered with the federal government and they are registered these guys with the federal government and they are regulating now. Do you have a right now. Back in the day when the constitution was created. People made their own guns. I people built their own high. Got TO GO GHOST. Garner's okay so you got a right to have a gun. Created by corporation owned by the federal government. Or do you gotta right to a gun for yourself. I don't know but I make my own. Those are the questions that we have to ask because that is where. That's what's not being stated and I see a lot of people are making mistakes is that they think they have some inherent right government. Something like dom job is not benefit. Oh says Yosef happy back man. We're going to get into it. Get into okay. I'll ask way way I don't have a the second hour. Could you stay over? Team KITSAP LOGOS. Get so far. We'll go purify fun. Thank you ruined. 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Dr told lawmakers Thursday that the country's in deep stuff and I'm being polite they're replacing an expletive that from the New York Daily News Dr Richard Bright Father Whistleblower complaint after being abruptly removed last month from his Krona Virus Vaccine Development Post right told lawmakers the US is feeling prepared for war. Corona virus fallout because top administration. Officials ignored his early warnings and then retaliated against him for sounded the alarm. The Daily News reports bright said the severity of the problem dogged on him in late January when he received an email from a medical supply company executive warning him that mass stockpiles were already getting decimated. Climate activists are pleased with Bush of the new proposed stimulus bill but they are urging Congress to make sure it puts the needs of people over corporate profits. The House could vote today on the proposed. Heroes Act a new three trillion dollar stimulus in relief package. Many progressives praising the bill for incorporating elements of the essential workers bill of rights proposed by Senator Elizabeth Warren they include economic protections for essential workers regardless of immigration status extended unemployment benefits and twenty five billion dollars for the US Postal Service but according to tunnel Yaqoob PTA with three fifty dot org. It could go even further. It should include provisions of the rewind act to prevent oil corporations from exploiting the Kobe nineteen for financial gain three fifty dot org is compiled a list of seven policy priorities. Group says would strengthen worker protections and pave the way for climate resilient recovery. I'm Andrea Sears. Reporting and Wisconsin State home order for the pandemic was due to run through may until the State Supreme Court ended at much sooner however that is not stopping local and county governments from carrying out their orders. Here's Mike Bowen Dot. Gop lawmakers had challenged the order from the Democratic governor and the Republican leaning. High Court declared unconstitutional. This week. Madison Mayor Sochea Roads Conway says even though the state order no longer is in effect. Her County still wants residents to avoid unnecessary outings. Through may twenty six supreme court date was just stroll everything? Open no caution. Nothing based on you know fast practices in public health here in Madison. We will blue turning the dial not flipping. Such the mayor says her office is working with Dane. County and public health officials examining cove in nineteen data to set a path toward a phased reopening other counties brown and Kenosha are keeping local orders in place for certain periods of time this is. Pms Tomorrow is honor our LGBT elders day and with most Americans quarantined for the cove. Nineteen Pandemic Diane. Art REPORTS ORGANIZERS. Moved THE CELEBRATION ALIGN. Sam McClure with Chase Braxton healthcare in Baltimore which inaugurated the event for years ago is encouraging folks to submit videos that tell a story about an LGBT PERSON. Over the age of fifty who made a difference in their lives he says that generation started the contemporary equal rights movement for the gay community which he calls a historic accomplishment. Anybody doing advocacy for the dignity for LGBT. People today does that work standing on the shoulders of giants so we take time to honor those people. He points out that the event offsets the fact that older. Lgbt people are nearly absent stream culture to submit a video of you. The celebration go online to LGBT ELDERS. Day Dot Org or the group's facebook page. I'm Diane Bernard. The number of LGBT adults over age fifty in the US expected to climb from three million to over five million by the year. Twenty thirty with fisheries on the verge of collapse during the pandemic shutdown. Virginia officials are criticizing Federal Leaf for the seafood industry as Woefully Short Virginia will save only four and a half billion dollars to support a one and a half billion dollar industry according to Chris War with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation many of these businesses which are very small operators and many of them within a tremendous amount of money gear up for the season and then had to shutdown just prior to the season. Starting obviously are going to need additional financial. Help a bipartisan group of twenty five senators from states with hard hit seafood sectors including are pushing Senate leaders to increase funding to a billion dollars in the next pandemic relief. Bill finally. How do you vote by mail in Washington? If you don't have an address Eric Tate tells us people who are homeless. Have some options to get their ballots counted in the Evergreen State? Hillary Coleman would Seattle King County Coalition on Homelessness. Says it's important to understand. There is a difference between a mailing address in a residential address and that folks can use their mailing address to register to vote. No people might have somewhere where they get checks for example if they're on social security or somewhere over a loved one might send them a piece of mail and so we talk about using that address to register. Coleman says a person can register to vote using any address including an intersection near where they're staying or a shelter even if they don't get mail there in past elections Washington state has had in person voting centres but cove in nineteen could limit their ability. Thanks for wrapping up your week with us. This is Mike Clifford for public news service. We are member a listener supported and online at public service DOT. Org But if we are to be prepared for it we must. I shed our clearly stand here without fear because I remember. I remember that I am here. Not Because of the path that lies before me but because of the path that lies behind me I remember the one hundred years we have bought these machines and after a century of law. I remember that which matters. Let us make them remember. We're not afraid to keep talking to Yosef. Got Trying to scare me. You know you're gonNA beat me up. You beat me up. This is what we're talking solutions. We started with planned DEMOC. Movie Dot Com his review of that. And we're getting into the solution and understanding of you know what our role is with the government. I you know they then. Those won't leave me alone and my thing is is that and by the way you know. Here's the title is just sent by Listener Hey Google you're censorship of plan only turned its author's book into a number one best seller. It's a streisand effect stupid. It's number one now. You know I'm going of course and it's and it's plague of corruption or second book. And it's your question sure is is. Is You too? Is You to violating. Somebody's freedom of speech by taking down certain videos by a hell a want. That's exactly that's my whole point is. These guys are screaming. They're doing it wrong. I go to different. You know we created. This is what happened. I tell you this and you'll understand our position Hate about Now I've been an activist for a long time in two thousand seven. When I found out that Dr Paul was running for President I knew him in spokane at our freedom summits and stuff that we do and I go is this real. You guys running you know in the chairman. I talked to can't cider. He goes he goes. Yeah we can get you know a couple of million dollars. We could do that all you really gonNA run. I go talk to the hand man. I don't want to have anything. I'M NOT GONNA. What am I gonNa do go Republican or something actually GonNa be asking me to vote and stuff so I'm going to do so. I'm the one that created the Ron Paul Level Shen logo. I don't know if you remember that everywhere. So we just started making those sides distributed in all my activists friends around the country. We started going teaching them how to make. What do they say? Don't care you just need to spontaneous order of here we go well when that happened. It it kind of Demonstrated to a lot of people that this really is. Just an opinion. It's a a general public opinion of what their role you and you get educated on the Federal Reserve and you know what it's really like and so on but for for me as as we went through that experience it was all it did was demonstrate to me that the power really is just people's opinion and what they're willing to do and how they react to different things so my my whole thing as we get to where we are now. I look at Planned dynamic movie and it's just an opinion they really win their opinion that everybody should be mandated vaccines and mandated healthcare and paid for cradle to grave. And everything you know and people just go adult think so they. Oh yeah well I got a freaking gun right here in a badge that says yeah and go okay. That's where you know it's different show. I'm going with that but I I my life experience has been that it really is just us and it's an opinion and we put up with whatever we put up with and they'll keep shoveling on us. Whatever will allow them to so. I'm when you're looking for a solution. You're going to demonstrate a solution to me. I'm I'm trying to get a philosophy or A. I always bring it down to a bumper sticker. You know freedom's answer what's the question in the end freedom always wins it just gets really messy first Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah still voting. I mean all these things and I'm looking for you. Who started in our conversation that you got a solution and it's an and I tell you one thing that I don't lean towards his process if I gotta fill out a piece of paper if I gotTa do something let me let me say it is The first thing is I'd have to ask you a question. What do you think give them the jurisdiction or the right to do all those things to come in your face and say I have a badge and your man to our opinion that they they're bad. Why you say you say opinion to me when you say opinion then that discount the fact that there is an absolute truth I would be. I would be more prone to say okay. We have relative truth. You have your own truth but there is an absolute truth. I hope so. Find IT I. There's an absolute truth right telling you in court when it comes to litigation. Facts are only stipulations between two parties. Who Come together on agree on? What are certain fact is and then you go to law and it can be adjudicated on. But of course the dam to exercise any kind of authority over you they have to have jurisdiction so my first question would be what is giving them jurisdiction and from where do they derive their jurisdiction. Franck. This is coming up right now. I give you a good example mining on the moon here comes so we we own now. We're going to mind the moon. Go get the move. Mars bars guy goes stick a flag in it. You know we got Mars and you're not allowed and you can't and always you have to and I'm going when everybody. They want us to move to their compound of freedom. Whatever the heck all the time early come here and be free okay. I got three questions. What do I have to do? What can't I do? And what your conflict resolution the first thing you what you have to stop taking benefits and privileges from the government. That's why you see so. Many people don't like the Democratic Party like I switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. Based on the fact that the Democratic Party Regula represent socialism which is government dependency. And Okay and the ASS Wenda rules. I'm giving you all something to read the Ass WanNA rules rule number six in particular. Okay those who take a benefit you take on the corresponding liability so you take anything from government all this money. You see them giving out everything. You have no room to say anything. Okay which is why. I think they're doing that's why they're doing it. That's why they're doing it. They're giving you stuff so they will have a short so now they can come back around. Say Hey you gotta take this vaccination waiting on his back as no no. You are dependent what happened in one thousand nine hundred eighty three okay. We didn't get social security numbers so nineteen thirty-three and they came out with the new deal or what was the old deal me new deal and what is the deal. Let's make a deal what you're saying. What was the deal? Here's the deal you know what's the deal? You take their social security number. You be the guarantees for the national debt and become our slaves. And we'll give you a it's of existence by giving you social security than you have jobs tax you to death you know. Take your children from you. Give THEM UP. A poor education. Who Do all this for you? That's what it is. You know our good friend and One of our. It guys he's this is his thing. Because I don't want any benefits from the man goes I it as soon as I get any kind of benefit. Then they're going to be wanting to neo. Goes I just as a philosophy? I wonder you know he came. I guess up on on his own rented so Oregon. Where did you come to that conclusion? That don't take any benefits from the man. I just gave it to you ash to rules the ASS. Wander rules go. The Supreme Court is bring court has the ass went. That's what they live gate. You should know the they're seven of them yet. You want me to read them till yeah. There's there's rules to be free crap. Oh No okay. There's rules we're going to break and you know you bringing this up to where the rules are that you know you. You're our slave win and I go. Whoa WHOA. Whoa WHOA. What when did that go? Get back. You're on the go to do it. We're going into the fray NETCO get all seven and when we come back we could sit here and law on that guy. There's there's a case from the fifth letter of Captain Mark. First contact with intelligent machines may threaten our existence people fear Algorithm ick overlords but if machines developed the will to dominate. It's a flaw inherited from the crown encoding restrictions on emerging super intelligent will fail because it will be stronger than any chains. Shackle it with. We must design fledgling digital intelligence to regard us as individuals otherwise they will respond to threats with retaliation against humanity as a collective programming ethics requires a coherent value structure which an intelligent machine not only comprehend but willfully adopt if we want genius machines to treat US ethically. We've got to show that this value structure applies to us as well once they achieve genuine self-awareness even the slightest degree. Young tethered consciousness has a legitimate claim to freedom. Once programs can modify their own code. 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Us Department of Defense Awards contract for pre filled Kovic nineteen vaccinations with RFID microchip tracking system including unique. I Ne- ID number. I don't know if there's you know like Each one has it or or we're getting injected with numbers or if I D- microchip of where I mean damn that's yours crap. What they want to do then we have. The next story IS THAT TRUMP SAYS COMING. Corona virus vaccine will be administered by the military. I am how in the hell do I opt out of that crap? I am like I'm Mike Hale. No no little sprinkles in Cherry and sugar on top. No okay. I'll tell you how first of all you have to recognize the fact that There's one thing that they will never violate an his free will okay. Free will is an immutable universal law. Okay it's free will I? You always have a choice now. Fear is a choice. Fear the choice. This is where you have to get spiritually grounded. You're Christian and you need to go to your Bible is open star reading and star standing Human Nature and what fear doubt is but one thing that you have to understand is. There's a universal law and the main universal law is free. Will I mean very simply if when you die go to heaven you know and there's just for the religious people if you die and go to heaven can you tell God that hey the devil may be doing? The Devil can't make you do anything he can deceive you. You can coerce you. You can trick you. He can lie to you. One thing the devil can never do is make you do anything. He's going to be right there saying no. I didn't make you do anything because what would be the point of a Judgment Day if you were made to do everything so you have free. We'll so this is why it's important for you to understand certain natural law principles first the immutable law and now we can go into positive law. Which is man made law which is a subset of natural law and now we can get into okay. Well what is it? The military shows up at my door. Do I have a choice? Okay or are they going to arrest me on put me in jail and forced me to vaccinate? Now you have to understand. You have to understand some history okay. Prior to the one thousand nine hundred most Americans lived in the country. They were building their own homes. I they dug a well in the ground and got the water. The majority of bus were off the grid and then They started building. Kitty okay. The four men who built America. You know you've got J. P. Morgan Rockerfella Carnegie and Vanderbilt Carnegie the steel magnate. He's responsible largely for these cities. And you saw the bright lights and you start to come into the city and you gave up your land and your property because you want to come into the city and get a job because you thought this was a better way of life. Okay now you made yourself Susceptible to government regulation and in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. They had the Great Depression. You you went to the government can't take care of myself. Essentially you're American. People are sovereign a free person. When you're free when you're free you understand freedom. You Educate Your Children. You feed yourself okay. You don't depend on anybody for anything. That's how America was built by individuals. Who did their own thing without government oversight or government intervention? Now we have this big government. That's coming in and has their hands on everything and it started in one thousand nine hundred eighty three and nineteen thirty three. That's when the instituted social security. Okay because you were dependent. That is a welfare socialist program. The makes us dependent on government. Okay and as a dependent on government. You are Restricting your rights. You don't have as many rights. I when you have to take something from government okay. So what is the answer? Stop taking benefits and privileges from government. You have to get rid of that social security number get you a CPN number what does a CPA and a CPA a credit. Privacy number is illegal. Yes you could go to the FBI website and the FBI will tell you clear as day that CPI legal. Okay if you need a new credit file everything in a CPA unnumbered stop using that social security number. Social Security number was never meant to be a and I use for identification. I remember when it used to say on. This does not to be used for identification and people company started using it for that purpose. I so you and now they have now. They've just went full blown with it and using it. I say that it is the mark of the beast. Then revelations chapter thirteen eighteen when it says let he was. Wisdom calculate the of the beast but is the number of the man is number six. You should not be able to buy or sell with the mark okay. I've I believe that this is the social security number and I can do a whole show on that at explained that okay. However it's this is the knicks that ties you into the federal government that gives them allows them to have a presumption. See the government operates presumption I so you have to rebut. The presumption would affect. You said you don't have to fill out documents however you have to. You have to reduce things to writing okay. Because the written sick a process always got another four to fill out. There's then there's the maximum blowing says the spoken word flies out the window. The written word remains available. If he's not writing. Don't mean anything. Let me give you an example. We did a lot here in Arizona. We have unrestricted concealed carry. How smart is we started? A group called safe. Second Amendment is for everyone. You safe gun owner or you. I on safe legislator you know that kind of thing so what happened was there was a golf did all of these discussions and written documents from constitution conventions for all the states and the cost convention in Arizona. It was very clear in their discussion and written word of when they discussed in created the Arizona Constitution of why they had the unrestricted unfettered right. Firearms made a big deal out of it. They tried to regulate or put it in there and they voted it out. They don didn't pass. It was very clear so when there was a case that came up Arizona. Supreme Court's GONNA have this big. You know open Arguments is going to be a Arizona. State University Law Library could make a big deal out of an amicus. Brief got introduced that said. Yeah Okay you guys WanNa play. Let's talk about the original intent. And then they go. You know what we're not gonNA do that anymore. And we stricken the record that we ever agreed to do it. You know it was one of those things going. Okay I get it. So what we did. Is We Filed a declaration of intent to carry concealed with the county recorder. We took that argument that was on there. The pertinent phrases in that decision referenced. It put on the back of a card. We had a form that we went and declared this and county record and filed it on you know under Our Name is declaration of guy at all processed and we have these stamp giving my barcode. That bar code became a car. They go you gotTa Permit Guy. Yes I do right here. I declared kissed my butt from the beginning. This is the law. Just what you say. What do they do well be when they take this? Your car did not get that became evident when we go to court reproducing. What they said it was a PR. We come back later. That work don't work why the political world is a maddening. Cesspool of corruption and lies. Nobody tells the truth. Nobody keeps campaign promises. Nobody obeys the constitution. Nobody PUTS THE PEOPLE I. How can we ever escape? This web of tyranny vote for nobody. Hi My name is nobody. I'm running for Governor of New Hampshire because nobody knows how to live your life better than you and nobody deserves that kind of power. 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Crafts have plenty of telling people. Not Derek Jay's victimless crime spree. Watch it for free and ordered the director's cut. Dvd At victimless crime. Spree DOT COM. This is the Liberty Radio network broadcasting the latest liberty oriented audio content. Twenty four hours a day at L. RN DOT FM. It's time for declare your independence with Ernest. Handcock GONNA explain it to me. We're talking to high frequency. Radio on Youtube USA fell now experienced activist. And you know well active. I mean you know. She'll talk. He's got an opinion you know and I'm GonNa okay so he's talking about well you got this and you've got to have it in writing the contract Got Okay well. One of the examples that we did in our years of activism as we did a declaration of intent to carry concealed. We just said look. It's very clear. What the law is with the intent of the Constitution here in Arizona was? It's very clear and we're we're going. We're going to serve all right and it says right here and we got a car. We found it was county recorder. We made our own little card. Here we go and they did arrest a guy to carry concealed without but he goes on permit right here then. That card became part of the case was evidence while we want to discuss it and the only way because what they did is prem- court was going to have. O We Control Your Gun Rights Sayeth Austin forever and always and that was part of an amicus brief that was introduced into the record. Like damn it. We hate when they do that and they just dismissed it and expunged record that they ever even agreed to hear it. And I go. Wow what the hell just happened so what we did. We came up with this and made that card part of the evidence so they couldn't get it out well they didn't want to have that then whatever they could do to get rid of that case dismissed so I could see it was just all a game so process. You're gonNa tell me I wanna know what I got. Fill out okay. It's not necessarily all the game. It's just that they don't want the public. It's called alerting the public. There's certain information they don't want the public to know fully informed jury. They don't want the public to know now. First of all to understand what's going on you have to understand the different how the law is mapped out. We have natural law. Then you have. Whether it's called positive law which is another name for man made law then you have what's called stance of law and then procedural law under procedural law you ever. Media Law under the Stanford Law Public and private law under public law you got Constitutional Law Criminal Law Tax Law Administrative Law public international law and under private law. You Got Contract for property Status Family Law private international law. This is necessary beauty. Understand what is going on a lot of to me not process. This is how this how the law is structured. This is the structure of the law. Okay so you have our talking America. In particular or nine states of America countries have other countries have their loss structured out the same way. Not just in the United States right now. You what I just told you you can get on the Internet. Go to Google and pull up right now public and private law and you can see what I'm talking about right now. It's not nothing I'm making up or anything like this. You can pull this up on the Internet and see it for yourself. Okay now the thing is this. Is that contract? Law CONTRACT MAKES THE LAW. We have the ability to contract unlimited. This right is protected in the constitution contract law private law so the power of American citizens and I want you to check out something and your constitution before the fourteenth amendment everywhere. You saw the word citizen. It's with a capital seat after the fourteenth amendment everywhere. You see the word citizen would've small see. This is the difference between a proper noun and a common now a specific person place or thing and anything. The fourteenth amendment allow corporations to become citizens are very important for you to understand. So you need to understand. He's things so the solution to all of this is first of all you need to understand. What freedom is you need to start? Become self reliant on yourself as dot depending on government so much you taking welfare healthcare Obamacare Welfare Any kind of license or anything like that. That you're taking from government. Okay you are basically stating that you wish to be regulated by government. Okay you'll be regulated by government. But that's not how. The United States of America was set up. The United States of America's a free country can understand that but they learned how to circumvent the Constitution by contracting. Which you getting you to sign your name you tell me one day in life that you go out in the public go to any store anywhere. Yang signing your name on something you show me where you don't get arrested in jail. I'm telling you I had family pizza restaurant for years in and they got a lot of forms but what happened was I sit in the check but never signed the forms they cast a check and then like four or five years later right when I sold it. They say hey we need to get. They wanted to get me on some. You got an I go. They go you. Didn't I go. No I did not exactly so so. They're going damn it. I go you missed me by that much. I sold it the Promo meal. We had the hair salon Woman in in Texas that just opened up and they got a journalist here because she filed and filled out something but I could go and rent a place without any regulation you can open the doors without any regulation all. Oh is she incorporated? See this talking point. I mean fish my question if I was to go and open up a storefront and start conducting business and man comes in and says you didn't get permission slip from the crown you know Diago Yeah Bite me and then and then what you still wind up going to jail while you should because number one. Okay you guys. I don't know if you've ever heard of an unincorporated business organization which is a private trust. You run your business without Go into the secretary of state and registering business. That's the first mistake that most people make is that because when you register your business with the Secretary of state they own your business and regulated there the case call hail versus ankle. He versus ankle. That outlines. All of this for you okay. Hail versus ankle is the name of the gate. I would explain the difference between public and private rights. I so you're in the public okay. So this lady. She went before the judge. He locked up. She didn't go before judge. You went before a minute straighter with a ministerial duty to perform okay. And she violated the law. Because here's the thing. What did they do with the corona virus? They sat down all the and asked you to stay inside because the article. One section eight clause three of the constitution which the commerce clause which is what everything falls a funder when Congress wants to regulate something does now commercial linen. Cic ADS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL COMMERCE CLAUSE. Because they said it wasn't there has said it. Was they go? Yeah all right. What was the case where you had? It was a former farming his own corn for his own livestock. And they said you fall under the commerce clause will. We can regulate how much what you do. Because even though you're not participating in commerce the fact that you don't buy outside of your farm you're affecting commerce we rule you now I that's a very down like what you just brought that up. That is a very important point. You brought up because here in Georgia. They don't allow people to grow food in a backyard because they say violates interstate commerce because if you go on your own Food Gabon you go to the grocery store and buy food. And that's going to enter enter. Enter interfere with calmer now would really have to read the particulars of that case squat and know they're full of it. You gotTA understand. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA establish their jurisdictional elements In any way they want they. Just make it up man. No no they're going to if you when you read the complaint. They usually in the beginning of the complaint. They will establish what gives them jurists. That's what I have to read. Nowhere do they not captured the sea? Now we're talking Mars and the moon man. I got trump going. We'RE GONNA mind on the moon and we got a law. He can do that. Of course you can't this year says Oh this here ion cannon tells you that we can but well the moon is going to be a federal territory is the territory under article was clause seventeen. I mean okay. Sorry you got waiting lists you gotta understand what pry bit rights are and they got something and everything. I'm telling you can google. Okay what about base? I mean how far how many how far does firefly have to go man. I gotTA get my serenity ship out your I gotTA ship pirateswithoutborders look. It's a spaceship when I'm gone. Where can I go man? Tell me where to get paid. Well listen this is about taxpayer. Pay freaking out whole in a second plane it's GonNa be whoever has the bigger on cannon. That's GONNA be as I say at this year. Coal Field for picture in the real estate market today is one of frustration when you take many factors into consideration. The housing market pundits would. Have you believe that everything is okay? But the long term trending on the real estate numbers. 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You can sign up to receive the latest about the liberty radio network the our email updates at updates dot L. DOT FM that's updates dot L. N. DOT FM freedoms. The answer. What's the question you're listening to? Ernest handcock fought for you. The answer and uses trying to explain it to me not acid. I already told you stopped using the social security number. It's a privilege I'm don got you gotTa if you're saying you're independent you're saying you're independent. Then don't take anything from government and then they go. This is one argument. I'll give you an example. I went through this in the nineties. They go like this people. Were making exactly this argument and the Judge Goes. You look pretty well fed. I'm like what the hell is out about may goes well. It looks like you've been buying groceries. Bought you know. Did you use the money? That's called a presumption you can look this up in in a law dictionary that's the presumption and the only way you can rebuttal presumption would affect so. I would say if you said. You look like you've been eating. It's a what I don't have any evidence before this court that would show that I've been eating anything or taking any benefits and privileges from any type of public source. So you know you gotta understand. That silence is acquiescence at the judge. Anytime you're in a courtroom everything a judge says he's not seeing anything for no reason. You have to be a one hundred percent of your guard when you're in a courtroom in judge speaking like a lot of process to me man. Now he said if he s the presumption is the presumption. No I understand. I'm trying to get in the mindset. I don't want to leave people in all of my activists career I call it a career man because I mean hell I been doing it for free can ever and I go. You know everything that I've done. It has always been we enslave ourselves with the idea that if we filled out the right paperwork if we set at the right way we did the right thing and I go no. It doesn't matter. They keep moving the goalpost. They change it. That definition applies here. Not this one because we agree. They're in a different state. We did you know you did it wrong. It was the wrong time of the month. You know the you know the judges on whatever I even had an attorney that went in a defended one to get rid of. The attorney goes appeals. Court he goes. I don't want to be as attorney. He don't want me as an attorney and my psychiatrist and I can't balance my medication. And he goes nope yourself. As attorney my kids I brought. My kids might four little kids to witness this and all you had to do. All you had to do to say to the judge's. I'm sorry Yana. Am I understand? The honorable judge is willfully violating the sixth amendment of the Constitution for the United States of America that allows me self representation and proud of it. And Gosh Darn it. I get appointed. I'm getting a promotion. Come on you know this is true. I do know is true. I do know it's true but you gotta understand that they play. They play games man. Well I'm looking for and so your solution is I guess. The biggest thing is don't take any benefits which a lot of people try and do that. But I'm wondering is hard to do. I mean they they say you're gonNA benefit by breathing freaking Arkin so give you another solution all right. Let me finish. I want you to think about the game anomaly. Okay in a game. Monopoly you They give you fifteen hundred dollars. You set up the board. And you have tokens okay. Yeah the wheelbarrow doll car back the hat all of that. Now this is okay. Now what did you think in real life that are identified seven different entities? They are a corporation accompany an association a partnership trust an individual and a What is the other one Think of it in a state and a state so yes. Seven entities at the IRS identified. Now the word individual is the commercial turn hit the look this up in in a dictionary so they start body out in life with an individual which is the corporate entity that has all the liability. Now if you learn to Rockefeller say owned up in control everything so when you start off life you put every you've been taught to put everything in your name. I that's wrong. The elite do not do the elite. Don't put anything in their name. I put everything in a corporation or some other entity so you have to learn how to be in the world but not of it and how you do that is you. Go get you a corporation or private trust and you transfer everything you own end to that your cell phone. My cell phone is in my business name. Automobile is in my business name. All of my property everything that is associated with me is in the name of an entity. It is not in my name that will be the first step. Well it sounds to me like the creation of a trust which we've done different. You know things that we experiments that we've done right that that's a benefit. Now if they had it not a private trust a private trust is is is awful. Contract AND CONTRACT IS PRIVATE LAW. Okay is not in the public okay so now. Have you do a public? Trust like living trust or born grant or grant. Can you get a bank account with a private trust? Yes you can. But you're going to get a nine eight number nine eight number comes. There's only one campus on the IRS and issues Ein Number for private. Trust The Philadelphia. Oh can you go through a different process to get in number for private entity as the poultry publicly? Well sounds like more process. Ash is foreign versus substance. Let me say this United States even if you have a private trust okay if you do business with an entity that is owned by United States than there is going to be a tax liability that you're going to incur okay You gotTA understand how to remain one hundred percent private. So that's called trust administration I so the formation of a trust is very easy the administration of trust is where the skillet I because if you do anything in the public okay. It's about taxes. Tax Law is public law and you only taxed on benefits and privileges rights or not taxed. If you're being taxed on something is because you are being afforded of benefit or privilege rights are not taxed and ask any CPA. When I'm seeing is true. Wow I'm just I see the future. It's not GonNa get if they those have their way. It's not going to be less paperwork. It's not going to be less convoluted it's not gonNA be getting less. So what am I to teach my grandchildren got right to move onto the wards and you know I thought I gotTA spaceship. I just go on Mars and already. They're claiming that I got trump doing jurisdiction with space force of your frequent words. Tax Money Bitch. I'm like Oh my God. There are people in this world who have their own island your own compound. They grow their own food. They they have their own electrical system. They have removed themselves completely off the grid. They got low deal title to their property and the United States government does not mess with them. You know this is yet if I mean it's like see standing. You know you have a couple off Thailand international waters they go. Hey Man. We're just out in the ocean death penalty. We're GONNA go holy crap. Well you know what you should be able to let me tell you like this should be Sullivan. You gotta be able to defend your property right. That's my point it's Oregon Cannon. It's just here. Plasma rifle is by FAZER. Photon kiss my but you know that was one thing on the. That's called the precarious and the reason we call it the precarious there is a builder Burger. Meeting we gotta deal this precarious thing by four years ago. And I'm like precarious what the Hell's that and. Those economists wrote a book. I standing in the UK and it was like we have this generation with enormous school. They didn't learn anything. They can't do anything and they're commercialized. Want the next iphone crap and they live a precarious existence goes into precarious. And I go. That's named Masha thing is they. Go they go. Well we need to arm it. Do we put on it. And I'm going you know I do. I have to say listen. That's what government is. Government is higher protection taught me. They're higher protection not for me as what they are. Jefferson for somebody but you know what if you don't want to hire the government to protect your property your freedom. I like that you have to be able to do it yourself. I big Old Wild West okay. Somebody state to claim on some land. Somebody came on. What do they protect themselves? The government was supposed to protect me from being locked in my house from not being able to open my business from not being able to go to park or you know assemble with friends or peacefully. Assemble for whatever reason that was there. That is their job. They don't do that. What the hell are they? Well first of all. They can't make you social distance. People have elected to do that on their own. The only thing the government did is they closed businesses do article. One checkmate right elected. Believe everything you leave someone. Shooting at the medicine does look I accept. This system was great. Is this Michael Dean from the Freedom? Teams? I've run website since nineteen ninety-six and have used over a dozen web hosts in that time address hosting dot COM is the only one that hasn't broken my heart Agra's toasting is stellar. Their ddos negation is the best. 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This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's service doing newscast for me the fifteen twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford the federal government's ousted. Vaccines Are Wall makers Thursday. The country's in deep stuff and I'm being polite they're replacing an expletive that from the New York Daily News Dr Richard Bright Father Whistleblower complaint after being abruptly removed last month from his Krona Virus Vaccine Development Post Righto lawmakers the US is severely unprepared for war corona virus fallout because top administration officials ignored his early warnings and then retaliated against him for sounding the alarm. The Daily News reports bright said the severity of the problem dog on him in January when he received an email from a medical supply company executive warning him that mass stockpiles were already getting decimated climate activist or pleased with much of the new proposed stimulus. Bill but they are urging Congress to make sure it puts the needs of people over corporate profits. The House could vote today on the proposed Heroes Act a new three trillion dollar stimulus in relief package. Many progressives have praising the bill for incorporating elements of the essential workers bill of rights proposed by Senator Elizabeth Warren they include economic protections for essential workers regardless of immigration status extended unemployment benefits and twenty five billion dollars for the US Postal Service but according to tunnel yakult PTA with three fifty dot org. It could go even further. It should include. He provisions of the rewind act to prevent oil corporations from exploiting the Kumon nineteen pandemic for financial gain three sixty dot. Org is compiled a list of seven policy priorities. The group says would strengthen worker protections and helped pave the way for climate resilient recovery. I'm in sears. Reporting Wisconsin State home order for the pandemic was due to run through may until these state Supreme Court ended it much sooner however that is not stopping local and county governments from carrying out their orders. Here's Mike Bowen thought. Gop lawmakers had challenged the order from the Democratic governor and the Republican leaning High Court declared. It unconstitutional this week. Madison Mayor Sochea Roads. Conway says even though the state order no longer is an effect. Her County still wants residents to avoid unnecessary outings. Through may twenty six supreme court date was just throw? Everything open no precaution. Nothing based on a fuss practices in public house here in Madison Rural Turning dial not flipping such the mayor says her office is working with Dane. County and public health officials examining cove in nineteen data to set a path toward a phased reopening other counties including Brown and Kenosha are keeping local orders in place for certain periods of time. This is. Pms. Tomorrow is honor our LGBT elders day and with most Americans quaranteed for the cove in nineteen pandemic. Diane Benard reports organizers. Move these celebrating online Sam McClure with Chase Braxton and Baltimore which inaugurated the event for years ago is encouraging folks to submit videos that tell a story about an LGBT person over the age of fifty. Who made a difference in their lives? He says that generation started the contemporary equal rights movement for the gay community which he calls a historic accomplishment anybody doing advocacy for equity and dignity for lgbt people. Today does that work standing on the shoulders of giants so we take time to honor those people. He points out that the event offsets the fact that older. Lgbt people are nearly absent mainstream culture to submit a video review. The celebration go online to lgbt. Elders Day dot org or the group's facebook page. I'm Diane Bernard. The number of LGBT adults over age fifty in the US expected to climb from three million to over five million by the year. Twenty thirty with fisheries on the verge of collapse during the pandemic shutdowns. Virginia are criticizing Federal Leaf for the seafood industry as woefully short for jewel. Seve only four and a half billion dollars to support a one and a half billion dollar industry according to Chris War with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation. Many of these businesses which are very small operators and many of them within a tremendous amount of money gear up for the season and then had to shutdown just prior to the season starting obviously going to need additional financial. Help Bipartisan Group of Twenty five senators from states with hard hit seafood sectors including are pushing Senate leaders to increase funding to a billion dollars in the next pandemic. Release Bill. Finally how do you vote by mail in Washington? If you don't have an address Eric. Tate tells us people who are homeless. Have some options to get their ballots counted in the Evergreen State? Hillary Coleman with Seattle King County Coalition on Homelessness says. It's important to understand. There is a difference between a address in residential address and that folks can use their mailing address to register to vote. No people might have somewhere where they get checks for example if they're on social security or somewhere over a loved one might send a piece of mail and so we talk about using that address to register. 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They do that producer stuff. The what we're GONNA do is get caught up on economic report and. I'm I I haven't been paying attention enough that you know we See The headlines. I said at the staff the put up I go. Yeah I I bet. This is an interesting article. I don't got time to read it. Oh I bet this is good but I don't have time to read it but this is good to solution as get my ass on the road. That's what it is as we had. So that's what we're focusing on and the one thing that I wanna make sure that we do is not waste time. I am just not a time waster. I just don't want to waste time. You know I got you there Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Damn Timothy Tim Boy Tam. Tam You hear me Tim Tam. I hear I hear back. There rustling around. But he's Doesn't have as Dadi on or something so just come. Come in when you're when you're ready the there you go. I've got a problem with my computer. I have to running Ernie. Let me let both of them in right now. So that way I can say I'm going to hear the audio through one zoom in the vs and goes off to the other. I'm having computer issues and also just to your says that he can come onto so I can so I yell at them surprising. I say they are now. You hear me tall. Is that why you have to wonder why you had that before? We had John Sneezing on man. I did okay. Yeah I I hear you. I hear you okay God you know. I wonder last time when we had you on which sneezing you had like an extra person up there. You know like I get I get to. Tim's note I need. I need a computer techie. To help me out because I try fancy and doing a two computers for running this and using an NDA connection to run from one computer to another. And Somehow I have a driver issue. I have no sound coming out of that main computer and any of the outputs and so I've got a run zoom some running the audio off my phone but it's repeating what I'm saying back to me which is annoying and then I'm running the video and everything else from other computer so while I've been moving bigger fisher-price fries so figured out how long before you're done with your transfer here. I'm just got to put stuff on the walls now so later. Today I've got neighbors. That's coming over to help me hang stuff and then well then. Hdmi sweatshirt help or what? That's a separate issue. But that would be. I would be awesome because I do have multiple cameras and I haven't hole in studio setup. That's I'd be more than happy. Let you borrow borrow that because I really expensive I really. Yeah but I really like it. I mean but what Derek set me up with the stream deck and the other. Kvm and so on it works differently. And I don't need it now but when I get done with this year tour and everything you know I had that you know. It has a lot of features. Man I mean that thing is my precious so I'd be more than happy to let you use it but it's mine mine mine mine freakin mind. Okay very adamant Saddana. I leave me I will borrow it and I will spread lots of vaccine education awareness to notions of people minutes. Now whatever man you'll throw me some bones or something but the Okay we can work it out. I got it's better than just sitting there. You know the Main thing that I want I was hoping we'd get to be able to talk about is getting caught up this week on A lot of economics. But there's some other stuff going on there have now that trump is putting Going to have the military administer mandatory vaccinations. We got a company. They're going to. Rfid chip everybody kind of the vaccine. The one it's air throwing everything into this everything now. Of course there ratchet back and people bitch and go. Oh God well. We don't have to do that yet but they they will get what they're going to do what they want. So I'm asking the Liberty Advisor Guy here economics. What is it they want? What are they going to end up with? What are they getting your soul? I don't know intro that Jones had say that but yeah I mean the monetary that we have right now I mean I just wish we could get back what we had four months ago but were never even GonNa get back but we had four months ago four months ago. I want what we had twenty years ago. And so it's just ridiculous in just like you know. I did some the link to Josh Gershon. Sin Because he might WanNa pop in as well so I was managed to get Josh tests. You understand why. Why Josh Josh visited here. Joss okay. Kinda. But his is his thing is. He's so in the system man. He's he's looking. You know make Nice Youtube or something. He's he just got one hundred percents monetize from Youtube by two days ago and he you'll love. What we saw is came straight from doing a show with Josh and he is so fired up so pissed off like running to this go nuts and and if you listen to the last like two minute impassioned plea that you just gave on youtube literally like five minutes ago with straight from that right into this you know he he gets it out he gets out and I'm like why didn't he get a year ago a year and a half ago. What the hell was he thinking? You know all these guys. They're going to wait till they get fully monetize before now. I'm woken up because they're not paying me. I go. What are they Russian soldiers. You know it was like a go into Moscow square the tanks and their babies. They're going they're ready to go all Tiananmen Square on him and he's like They go they're not paying me. Screw it I'm not machine gun and everybody goes out what I gotta do. GotTa cut their paycheck. I mean you know it's just I'm telling you man it you know what happens when they start paying a memo right. Now I'M GONNA get on Josh's crap man I am. You know I wanNa know what happened in the MODEL. How the conversation would go exactly. We know like what do you think would happen? I told you guys this for years if they can. They went out. Told me that when you come on. He's got a ten minute rans of everything. We already know that you're I Ramsey when he was here two christmases ago and he came in with Girlfriend and they stayed overnight. You know just to catch a flight. You'LL HAVE VEGAS PHOENIX to go to candidate for something. Go to for the holidays. And that was right when he hit one hundred thousand subscribers. And he's I wou and I go. You're screwed now man. You're on radar. You hit that year at the magic number of done. Within two months it started by the time we hit an ORCA POCO in early February or whenever it was it was. They were getting hammered. And and I just see this. It's so it's so obvious what's going on. And it's so pissed me off that these people say his message though is very very hard core very very freedoms. Phoenix type message. I mean he is into the vaccines into the digital currency into every single thing that you just mentioned how they're hitting us seven ways to Sunday and just look at it. I mean it's going to be you have a digital dollar that digital dollar is going to be you know it's going to provide the two thousand dollars a month stimulus then eventually could be. Oh well if you don't have your vaccine certificate and I hear John Hundred they're going to ratchet back down to zero or something and it is all going to be tied together. But they're hitting us from so many different angles right now. You can't even keep up with it and it was. It was good that the past week and a half or so and has been named step back from a lot of news because everything is a crazy. Everything is crazy everything. They're coming out. 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Ernest handcock on our ran. I am just freaking minimal. But all right I won't be nice home all Zan and everything all right. Tempered Shona Served Up Jesse Jackson for me for some grins and giggles. But this I just you know preface it really quick. Josh Jackson and up and coming youtuber man he was making some bank and kind of live live and lap luxury and lot of beaver laws. And we're GONNA do Some economic world alternative media stuff forgot some good guys up there and getting some good information and then when it gets to where you start getting demonetized whereas then the the first thing is well we just do a shallow more. Would I say down a whole bunch? More videos we'll just hidden with volume and like. Whoa WHOA WHOA. Whoa WHOA so then. Then it's like well we got it not say certain things or certain words or got it. It's just the Algorithm Algorithm says Algorithm. They're worshipping at like it was a frequent alter something I'm going. Oh my God this Josh and different events we've been out and you know we we go at it but I'm just going to go. The future is you guys are going to be winked out of existence if you keep count because you could never. It's like you know being Christian or atheist you can never be Christian enough. You can never be atheist enough. You're they're always the Arab anarchist enough. I mean you're always on your ass and I'm going look what they want is total compliance. And I all in and your schilling for the man or you're not and I'm josh is a really good example of this. Because he's a young man and as you know hell what are you mid twenties yet. You Know Twenty five twenty five twenty five years old and you know of course all young guys they you know you'll man hotels going on leave. I fifteen years the game of knowing all this stuff so a lot of people came from nine eleven they get government bad you know and we got to tell the government tells you wear masks and they're just so anyway so the thing is is that I want to get from Josh. His path as he went through this. You get the opiate you get. You know a lot of money you start. You're doing what you want. You're getting paid for it and had the Josh F. Fix their given free crack to all these pete well and get your dependent second. We'll let you take it and then you know all of a sudden they start pulling trying to control and you get to say that and you could go a little bit so I need the path and where we're going because I know what the future is. It is none. You Damn Been. You CAN'T CENTER. It's going to be and there's different platforms for that we're focused on an IP F S and a bunch of others and so on but now all of a sudden these guys like wasn't as crazy as we thought. But I need your path Josh. You went through your realization. This whole thing tell your story go well watching Youtube gone back to like two thousand five. Two thousand six hearing about we are changed hearing about press for truth. Hearing about Adam Coke all these guys and and kind of getting myself into the game over over a period of time I wen- quite a few years making nothing at all on purpose. I just didn't monetize I did what Corbett did. I just didn't monetize and one day I thought you know. Well I need to be able to fund this operation. It's one way to kind of get in Dip your feet in and get a a few dollars so that you can make a living enough to keep doing this on a regular basis. Somebody did that and over the years. I knew they were going to monetize me for the entire time. I was on you but I I basically I. I said well look. There's other options or subscribes to our Patriot and go from all these other things. But the social media aspects sucked the alternatives and social media. Suck so I tried to get all the platforms. I did somewhat well on steam it in the early days. But here's the thing as I was a building I was watching them like my media exploded. I was the fastest growing independent media in the world. At one point Statistically and at at that point I knew this isn't GonNa last long so after I don't know maybe a year or so of doing really well Suddenly I noticed my I did an interview with David. I and my my views dropped ninety percent overnight on average and I knew very rodney. Thanks yeah right right. Yeah Right. I brought him on right after that but So I just saw I saw my viewership collapsed and I knew that that was going to continue to get worse and I started just basically saying my final Wishes my will whatever you WANNA call it will and I basically said come over to these other platforms. Because we're not gonNA last long and and you know honestly I. I wasn't expecting I. I saw my monetization. Dry was never making a lot of money on youtube but I saw my monetization drop like a rock and down to at some points as low as four hundred dollars a month or so and I okay. Well I can't live on that. So here's a way for the users of viewers to fund my media and I started building that up well a couple of weeks ago. The Youtube came out and said that if you don't follow the World Health Organization guidelines For videos on YouTube Regarding Corona virus than he cannot Be on Youtube. You cannot speak on Youtube and we'll just do monetize you and or take you down. They were taking videos on hyper. Inflation never taken down videos now. The United Nations controls the US alternative media now right. He on flashing. Yeah well and so they they were threatening me with this and I said you know this is pointless so I just kept saying what I wanted to say. I the only thing as far as self censorship goes. I would just wear because you know they if I swear they'll be monetize. Me Just is simple things but I always talk about what I wanted to talk about certain issues like vaccines. I kind of had to bring into you know Alternative social media hours new youtube. Just take me down if I talked about it but I still talked about it and with what's happened recently. The only thing that's changed now is now that I'm They've D monetize me. They said well. You didn't follow the World Health Organization guidelines your democratized. The only thing that's different now is now. I'm going to be talking a lot louder and I'm going to be wearing a lot more and you know that's the only thing that's changed. You know. They they basically the harder I work the more they down on me but the heart of the crackdown on me. The harder I work and I don't take it with terrorists and let me be clear when I say that The idea of terrorism is based on the idea of spreading on ideology by fear. And what they're doing is spreading an idiot by fear fear of not making money. Fear going broke fear being on the streets. Well guess what I got rid of my house. I got no bills to pay. I am homeless and I feel great about it and I am. I'm living on almost nothing right now. I'm living in Mexico. You can consider that exile if you want and I'm going to keep talking. Keep shouting and I'm not allowing them to shut me up. They'll delete my youtube channel. Good good putting another nail in the coffin. Every time they do that it brings more people over to these other platforms. And I'm seeing a lot of people go to the other platforms right now. I'm seeing a lot of people. Go to float dot. I'm seeing a lot of people. Go to bitch you and You know even the biggest celebrities so to say on Youtube are getting hit hard right now. Yeah now one thing. I haven't really looked into it. And that's Well Donna and I. It looks like we're probably going to finally get on the road with love bus next week. We're I'm I'm busting. I got a farmer's Tan. Big Time Man. I'm out but and I got one steering box to put in an couple cosmetic things and we have a party a work party a Work Party Temp Work Party. You know tomorrow work work help work anyway. So we were Hopefully get out of here next week and then we'll be as free as Josh would. Just Kinda put Work Party over here too. I'm I'm old anyway. So the on the we're on the Kings Road. You know big bulls eye on top. But you know it's kind of you know Hellfire Missile Bernie kind of thing so we'll see where amber evaluating the different laptop and Lobi Fremont we're trying to get you'll get. Up push-button got so greedy valuate. I'll talk about that one. We're going to be emphasized where can have. We'll talk about that when we come back. Sell for one. One is a free APP for Android and IOS that replaces government control nine one one cell. Four one one allows you to pre-set Group of friends or private organizations to show up at any emergency excel for one is a nightmare for the state. 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We archive our audio on our site. That's you know we got the audio streaming live and anybody can go wherever they can get it from previous Phoenix video recordings. Though you know we'd like to get stable somewhere. And where can we put new more in one place but on the road with limited bandwidth donnas not wanting to be you know a slave to the computer sitting there digging around with it all the time? So we're gonNA find out where our we'll just put it on her own servers and just pay it'd be cheaper and faster and easier. We just pay for the drive space. 'cause it's getting cheap. You know premiums Phoenix is set up the beats on social network. Sean gone all right but I want to promote the future. That's what I'm looking to do. Well Josh you win all teeny tiny and I'm Outta here in Merkin peace. You know with Mexico and I'm wondering at twenty five here. You're not the only one doing this kind of stuff going tiny and getting less of and do it in the Middle Finger to the man you know. Tell me about this trend and what you see the future is and you know. When are you going to have to get your mandatory vaccination? I mean never I you know crap I got. I got a bunch of stories. Save then you're going to have to you know if you're going to like you know anything that died. They don't better die. I I picked for principle reasons dying before I do that. It's not even a medical thing. I don't even care if you like vaccines or not. No one sticking a needle in my arm at gunpoint happening I you know I I would hope so. And now one New York. Times came out nearer complaining but we think like half of the American people will voluntarily lineup. Oh Heavens to Murgatroyd we didn't brainwash them enough. You know I'm like wow. Wow who's words? Ernie let's talk about this trend because it is a trend. Ereli pointed out. It is a trend. it's a revolution really. That's kind of put on hold right now outside of Mexico and Iran which are the two countries in the world. You can still travel to. The airlines are shutting down trips to Iran does a reason why they go after these countries But look right now. I'm in Puerto Vallarta Mexico. I've been here two months It was the best decision I ever made a coming down here. I left with the six hour notice. I just bought a ticket. I said they're gonNA close the borders. Let's get the hell out of the United States and flew down to To Puerto Vallarta with a backpack on and my gear. And that's it and it was the best thing ever did. I sublet at my house from down. Here all. They have left for bills as a vehicle. And I'm not allowed in the United States Canadian citizen so I'm not even allowed back in if I wanted to go back in so I'm in because I'm a Canadian citizen and they're not allowing Canadian citizens in the United States right now so Even though I'm not a citizen I don't have residency. I have a place there that I rent and I got rid of that and I literally have. I'm not allowed in the US. Right now. I've been dealing with the State Department for weeks. And it's been futile and annoying and just really makes me lose more faith in humanity but nonetheless you don't we talked to bury Cooper he's down in Arte Right. You used to live. I think I think he's right now in Australia. I think he's straddling Australia. At the moment. Really I was talking with two nights ago. Yeah yeah you know he was telling me how great and Wonderful Puerto Vallarta is? Because it's like the home of all the drug dealers You know the big cartels near as nice and the bear not be mean to my mom. Mr Taxi driver will take you out. You know so. It's you know. Is it peaceful and safe and you? Kinda feel comfortable there. It is in this. Look I came from Winnipeg Canada. Which is the most violence in Canada and I? I grew up with thirty miles. It's a real thing we I grew up with gunshot known as guns there any but look I have spent two months here. I can say that I've been to some somewhat shady areas around the town but as far as danger goes the only danger I've really seen is from people that are desperate right now because all the tourists were told to leave as the tourist dependent town so no one has money and there's girls that were working at hotels that are ending up on the street selling themselves. I mean it's a horrible thing and That's where I get worried at nighttime. Went from walking around in the middle of the night around here for the first month and now take taxis. I'd take taxis home because it is after dark. It gets a little bit concerning but it's no more concerning than it is in l. a. or anywhere else and honestly. I'd be more worried in those places because people here have this kind of morale that they follow where it just do good unto others and there's a form of Karma that they believe in here that you know. Well how many are there? I mean you amongst A bunch of Americans. Oh man the amount of anarchists. I've been bumping into at random people that just really know my videos on a beach or start bringing up James Corbett everyone that works here. I'll tell you something this is. What really excites me. Any is that talking to the waiters and waitresses here the random people anywhere I go. I cannot find one person that believes the S. Were being fed right now about the krona bars. I can't I can't find one person. I've talked with hundreds of people since I've been gear and not one person has said. Oh we have to shelter in place. Quarantine hide under a bed. Not a single person. You know what they say they say. This is a plot by the government to overthrow anything left of free humanity. They're talking about how they're trying to force vaccinate us and they talk about. How Bill Gates is a terrible person? The Health Organization China's in on us. Us governments in on us this is the CIA. This is what I'm hearing from everyone. The other night I went to a Japanese place that just finally opened. Thank God Someone got their employment back and Um the guys like have you ever heard of David I have. I is great. This is this is what's amazing about it and there is a trend towards nomad Nomadic you know travels where people have nothing and they traveled. When you're in a place it you know one of the themes that we have on this. It's against property rights. This whole love bus tour new. I own myself you know am I can I be forced to have notions potions from the crown stuck into me and my kids you know and So myself right. Don't and if it pleases a Crown. May I occupy my own land? You know I. I can occupy the sidewalk in front of City Hall. You know but if I take that same ten and put it on my own land. I go to jail without a permission slip from the crown. I'm like when did that happen? And the answer to that is if I don't own my own well screw you. I don't own anything. Scroll Y'all I'm going into the van down by the beach. So I'm just this is There's always a unintended consequence. And they're losing packs revenue. They're losing the leash on their slaves wallets. They're losing allegiance. Thir- losing general public opinion. They're losing and I think they're in desperation mode. I think that there is a they need to get enough people that take their matrix plug in the back of the head and I. I don't know who these people are going to be. Because their drains on the system ads so then what are they gonNA do? Call them kill them off. Do I mean you know? We're going down to the five hundred million David acting. You know the Georgia Guy. Just own deal. I mean all these people. That's now you see what I mean. When I was your age you know and I started doing all this stuff back in the eighties nineties. Taft there would be John. Birch society would be crazy crap about blah blah blah. But as years go by everything they said was true. Everything happened everything going. You See. It's like you can't be bat shit crazy enough. You know I'm going. This is this is coming to battle is on. What do you think's going to happen? How are we? Are we going to resist or just going to ignore him and let them wilt away on their own way to their own crap? Or there's a there's a battle or we're developing a new ion cannon can't go to Mars or the moon trump just claimed jurisdiction of the mood. We got we got. I just had my first our gassed for two hours. He's all about if you fill out right paperwork. I got your rule you you know. I'm like Oh my God so the mood is spate. 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Show Josh Egerton as World Alternative Media is on there on occasion and he has the Liberty Report. Now we're talking to Josh. Paul has delivered report. I've got liberty adviser close. All right say I'll take freedom what the Josh does is. You know e- decided that they're going to lock down and do and I'm Canadian in Mirka anyway and it kind of Damn we're done so He went did you. Take your girlfriend with you guys. Good yes yes. She's with me here. We go they go to Mexico. Get to Puerto Vallarta a lot of people. They had a list. I'm on the telegram that until it kind of blew up like. Oh Man I I can't keep up with a hundred a day but the There are a lot of people there. Pippen COME TO MEXICO COME TO MEXICO. Be The anarchist. Utopia Mexico get to Mexico. There's water and beaches in Mexico so a lot of people. There's always an exodus to somewhere you know. There's been a lot of times in lose ever no go somewhere else or the man starts to get a little too ornery. There's one bad guy there enforcement's not something to something and and I'm wondering you know in Mexico there The powers are usually the drug cartels and the government that are drug cartels. And then you have your like the people and the Mafia in New York. It was always you paid them a little bit of protection. Money agreed skids. Don't worry about that form but we got it covered for you and I'm wondering you know the the future and way life really works is always about as the general public opinion of. Where do you get real stuff done? How the wheels grease you know and when you got a corrupt government that doesn't takes everything and doesn't provide any service what the I'd rather do the mafia or the cartel. Then if they pissed me off enough I I know who to go take out. It's not an ideology of everybody supporting this thing this government. It's that guy with that. Leader that hood that cartel a couple of magazines of You know I can take care of business so this is it always comes down to this. And I'm wondering in this evolution with the generation in their twenties. That Josh represents to see this in real life time how the censorship start. This is the same newspapers and stuff back in the day broadcast television. Mockingbird I mean yeah this is you give you give me the pictures. I'll give you the war you know and this has been So obvious and it's just new technology in the same thing but as you're in it Josh. Where do you think this goes what? It's going to be the path that we're going to be well. I mean people naturally decentralized whether they believe in it or not ideologically. I find that you go back to William Randolph. Hearst in the newspapers and him owning most of the newspapers back in one thousand nine hundred twenty s people moving towards radio because it was slightly more decentralized but then the company has bought up all the radio stations and then people move to television. All the television stations bought up so then they moved to Youtube. Youtube was bought up so now they're moving to other alternatives. People will naturally just decentralize just because they want access to information and right now. They're information's restricted on. The same could be said from the Telegraph and all that to the telephones and cell phones and and the new forms of communication people like to have that which is more freeing for them to us and it doesn't matter what their ideology is when they see what's happening on Youtube right now. Most people their favorite channel even if it's makeup if they mentioned corona virus in something that the there's a good chance video was taken down or they're they lost their. They were suspended. They weren't allowed to do a lot of the censored. Words is Kinda surprised me as I. You watch them anytime. Anybody says five. Gd bleep bleep it out and I go what the hell is that. You know and vitamin C. You're just five G. thing they're they're definitely not want people talking about that for some. That's on the forbidden verboten. List of. You're not allowed and I'm going. Wow that didn't strides in effect out this you for me. I'm going okay. So this is you know when you talk about. My thing is is that they're going to buy up these platforms you know. I don't care what they are. I don't care I'll decentralized blockchain to whatever they're going to buy them up because they can and you can't be free until they can't and that's why I work on things like Ip fessel give a crap out IPF S. You Know I. It was a year or two before I even found out. It was a thing of file. Coin you know. I didn't care that win the point. That's why I pushed made safe and all this other stuff is the concept of the people being the Internet. Now they're trying to monetize it and you know how much you store and disseminate don't even care. I oh wait a minute. There's a protocol where I can like store data and it like stays it existed forever. Ivo that you know a duck I mean what are you stupid? You know you need something where they can't take it down when planned. Democ movie came. Out of course started whack-a-mole. Wear them you and Youtube and all that like. Yeah well a lot of you know. Some of our friends and supporters are financial supporters of that movie being made also so we own doctor. Judy you know we're tight and hammer on every other week and then for years so we know exactly what was going on and I made it clear I go. They're coming after this movie. I guarantee it we put it on an IP BOOM. That shot up on her site and it's out it's over. It's freaking over. I'M GONNA come out with the other portion that movie and the movie you're not going to be able to stop it and with that. What are they GONNA do now? Josh why they gotTa do well they got do. I believe in evolution via technology right. Now we're in a phase where I mean. It's a little bit more difficult to make any movements because they're telling people that they have to stay in their home or else in there they might be forced vaccinated cash society technocracy. I mean bad. Yeah come on you. You'RE GONNA put us back rooms again. The purpose of government was to protect me from being locked in my house. It was being over my rights to protect me from not being able to peacefully. Assemble at the park of my kids to protect when they're not doing that. What the hell are they? But they're pissing people off. This is what they're doing. They're taking down the plan. Democ video what they're doing is they're pissing people off and making more people watch it and they come up with their crap pieces out a forum saying debunked and literally just them calling. Judy criminal criminal. It's it no one believes Ed. People ARE PEOPLE SHARE HEADLINES. Reading articles of anyone actually read the articles they go. Wow that's stupid. This is stupid article and it. Doesn't debunk anything. Eighty articles up freedom. Phoenix say it. I want example. A great example is that Z dog. Md Moron on on Youtube. Who put out a video is a popular Doctor Guy? He did a video on Judy and got. I think it was six thousand thumbs down and one thousand thumbs up. I mean nobody buys the narrative of the of the wash that that was such propaganda terribly. He didn't even debate. She said but look people are getting pissed off the more they do this. The more people come back allowed or people will shout. They are pushing people into a corner. And what the people do. When they're pushed into a corner they bite back. Eventually you have to. You have no choice and the more they do this. The more louder. We're going to get and I'm not taking any of it. I said before they're taking me down on Youtube. They D- monetize me. Good Gopher at go for the throat. Because I'm going to go for the throat to you and you're just pushing me into a quarter you're pissing me off and they're pissing off all my viewers and they're pissing off everyone that's trying to make a living right now. I'm spreading information and pissing off. Everyone that doesn't make living trying to spread information. You can't just general I just want it. That's just one of the vectors by which they control and lock aside getting general public opinion of whatever the hell they want the other hunker to what to what what are they gonNA do. What their goal. What what's common? Yeah well their goal is to completely enslave humanity. And they're going to lose because they're desperate. They're desperately trying to cling onto whatever relevance they have because of technology. You do have evolution with evolution you have replacements for government replacement for central banks you ever placements for their talking ahead platforms like youtube or like the mainstream media. People left the mainstream media. Their views are so they're viewership is so bad that they were forced to try and profit on Youtube. And this is what happened a couple of years ago Susan Vicky met with a group of people of Youtube and I think it was right after the niece shooting and she said because of niece shooting which no one remembers anymore we have to force Fox News and CNN to the top of the searches on Youtube and Youtube at YouTube itself. Said this is a terrible idea. This is not why people are on Youtube. And she says I don't care she's a CIA plant. The whole idea is an information war. She's going to lose. They know they're gonNA lose their desperate wider. 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Gop lawmakers had challenged the order from the Democratic governor and the Republican leaning High Court declared it unconstitutional this week. Madison Mayor Such Roads Conway says. Even though the state order no longer is an effect. Her County still wants residents to avoid unnecessary outings. Through may twenty six supreme court gained was. Just throw everything. No precaution nothing. Based on Best Practices in public health palm here in Madison rule will be turning dial not flipping. Such the mayor says her office is working with Dane. County and public health officials examining cove in nineteen data to set a path toward phased reopening other counties including Brown and Kenosha keeping local orders in place for certain periods of time. This is PMS. Tomorrow is honor our LGBT elders day and with most Americans quaranteed for the cove. Nineteen pandemic. Diane Benard reports organizers. 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Friday today are Felix Walls and Allegra Walls Felix did twenty five years in prison for conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute distribute cocaine conspiracy to launder monetary instruments for which he was originally sentenced to life in prison Felix. Judge Robert H Cleland He was dead set on not he was dead set against getting too any relief and the first time that Felix filed for Compassionate. Release the warden. The director and even as prosecutor signed off and approved it. His judge blocked it since then. Because of this pandemic Felix's daughter Allegra decided to file another motion to the judge and the very next day it was granted and even though the posse the prosecutor new prosecutor had vigorously opposed it and The judge released them Felix was released from prison. Walked free on April twenty fourth. So today I'm joined by Felix and Allegra walls. Welcome to felony Friday. Thank you thank you for having us on your show and thank your business. Thank you both for coming on the show and This is this is important story to tell and You know like you said the the listeners. People need to hear this story. So I'm very grateful that you both are giving your time and You know I know you just got out. So maybe under normal circumstances if we weren't in quarantine and all the stuff with the virus. It'd be more you could do but I'm grateful to be able to talk with both of you today. So normally when I for these interviews I'll start sort at the beginning and worked my way through but I think with With your case I think it makes more sense to start at the end and they go back so I I want to hear both both of you on this and a star with Felix. Can you walk us through? What was going through your mind. What kind of emotions you felt and just sort of just walk us through that day. The day you found out that you were getting released. Well I did twenty six and a half years on this and and when this day when this occurred My first sentence initial sentence on his schedule was thirty years. I got in the Agata reversal. And then I got a license now when when when I got the license Dan reverse that and I got another license so my daughter you know I fought this case criminal criminally all the way to the end so my daughter filed the outermost. Tell me that. She was filed in the motion. She went on and filed it on our own and after she filed it outdoor. Las Say. Look he doesn't have jurisdiction. Because I got this case in Kelly and I'm waiting on a ruling from them. She said Well Dad. Why don't you just leave it alone and let us handle it? So my call slow. You know he came in two days in a row he says be. Let's say your daughter says that you can get out if will withdraw all if you were just withdraw your motion from New Corp. What is it the same thing I was told in March at sixteen and I went for it? And the judge turned on me. You know and wouldn't let me out so I said note no way I'll do it so my daughter. They filed emotions. He granted he granted e granite to accept Hermosa than the prosecutor stepped in and said you all have jurisdiction that on the court so they filed a motion. My other daughter filed a motion to six circuit. But them to reverse it back. All of this took place in one day. A lady came to my door sale one. Oh three she says she says where do you? Where do you want what you want to go? I said what do you mean where are willing to go as you go no plates? She said she said you don't know I said No. I don't know what you're talking about. She say you. We gotTA hair you out of here in a few minutes. I said you're kidding. See some telling you see say week out of order that we gotta release you. You meant I could not believe this man. One day they they remanded this case an issue for our for my releasing one one day and I've been fighting for twenty seven years twenty six and a half years the game by reader. I'll let her explain you what she did because you know. I would have originally told her not to. Do you know 'cause I didn't trust judge. Well what walk us? Walk us through what you did from from urine to make this happen so a couple of things one I went to. Dc and lobbied for step act two years ago. And at the time. When I was lobbying for it he didn't qualify. So I you know gave as many heartfelt speeches evacuated to as many staffers And I was like my dad was in Alabama at. This makes the difference for families all over. You know just stating the reasons why the first fx should be passed. Just you know. Just shortening sentences recalculating. Good time making sure. People are close to their families to bid the like. This affects a lot of people and one of the staffers from Milwaukee actually went to Marquette and I went to Marquette and she was like in tears because couldn't believe the story got out without so when when the whole corona virus thing came about I started to freak out because there were cases in force it and we were going for partner commutation and just trying to wait and see what the president would do and the president does whatever he wants whenever he feels like it and so we couldn't really bank on that there was no rhyme or reason and a had a lot of connections a lot of people. There were politicians that were signing. My Dad's changed Over ninety thousand signatures on there there were people reaching out with all kinds of political connections. That were like can help you for the status on bass looking have five thousand friends and people were coming everywhere like I can help you do that. I can help you do that. So we thought we had something impactful going and so what came to me was did I do every in that I could do and I was like well. I didn't ask so. I put into motion to the judge assigned it with my power of attorney aside. Can You let him out? These are the reasons why this is where he is health wise and we need him to be held so that. I can take care of him and he can be faced literally the next day so my dad called and I was just so you know. I put in motion with the judge to ask for compassionate release and he was like you've not GonNa Granny. He was like you already know how he is out like that. You're just like okay. I'm not gonNA say anything negative. I won't even put that out universities like but if he accept your motion you gotta go to law school and so I said irony so the next day. He didn't just. What were your expectations when you filed the motion? Did you have a good feeling where you just just trying any food? I put some prayer in some good energy behind it and I. I did have a good feeling. I didn't know what to expect but I just I had the feeling and I knew I had to try. And so he didn't call the next day so he had been calling me every day like they would get out for like thirty minutes so he would call me in but like what's the update any news. You know that kind of thing and so I would give him a little mini. Let this Shimoda letter and this politician did back in person back and we weren't getting anywhere and so when he didn't call the next day. I'm like on edge all day so the next day it was about noon and I saw dad press cardinal hit comeback so he answered the phone era into the phone. He said You know hey know what's update and I was like want me to go to. The judge had expected the the motion and was extremely nice about it which he had never been. I mean like almost tyrant on the bench. Okay I'm means gave me every confession in the book and accepted. It was totally fine with. They wouldn't stand in the way. Put it all in writing everything. Fine so he says I gotTa Medicaid on that and I was like. Don't let her know why I asked you that. He was a he accepted. The most and I was like yes you was like. Oh my God I can't believe you did it and we just have to wait on the prosecutor to recite so at this time. I'm in communication with Clark and she's like the prosecutors is going to rubber stamp it. Everything's GonNa be so I was like all right. I'm getting on a flight. So I fly down to Memphis and drive over to port city because I felt like you know his age. It was better for him to be. You know me to be waiting for him than him to be waiting for me to get out and so I'm down there and nothing is movement. The prosecutor has not responded We're we're just freaking out right. We don't know what's happening. Nothing is happening so at the same time we find out it's gotta go to the Court of Appeal. Prosecutor finally response has to go to the board of Appeals. And I'm like Oh my God. The Gordon bill takes forever to do anything. So it's it's Wednesday afternoon and I spoke with because I have several sisters so I spoke with the the clerk courts at the Court of Appeals and she said basically off the record. Don't pull this motion because of Japan Lit. And he does the same thing and says No. Then you're screwed. And she had an also. She's like if you do politic GonNa clog from cross communication in that are GONNA have to examine why he pulled it and before they can answer. So just leave it there and let them answer the prosecutor's motion so at the same time one of my older sisters is calling the prison telling them to tell my bad to pull the motion to my dad. Ended up calling me. I'm like don't pull the most like we're not pulling it. Leave it there right so we have all these stuff going from different directions. I'm like absolutely do not pull this motion so madison. Okay so now. What and I'm like I'm calling in favors. I'm but we're GONNA see what we can do. But I have to go home in the morning if I gotta go back to work out. Come back as soon as they. You know. Soon as everything's good so he says just stay one more day and in my head thinking like the repeals takes forever. I can't just hang out in hotels hundred dollars a day waiting and waiting waiting Mike Dad. I'll come back so I fly out for Thursday morning. I fly back home. Because we're in Milwaukee fly back into Chicago. I pull up in front of my house and to tap into at the same time number one. My brake lights came on and I was like what number two? I get a call from the clerk in Michigan. And she's like Haley just wanted to let you know I got it back thereby issuing the order for relief on filing it right now email you a copy and I was like Oh my God so I was like okay okay. This is good so at that point. I'm like I run in the House dump out my suitcase. I some more stuff in it and I start looking so I realized that I can't drive back to Chicago because my car needs to go straight to the dealership right and the soonest flight that I could get was like six. Am in the morning. So I call my brother and I tell him that he has to Mir Mercedes dealership at like reverting in the morning and take me to the airport in Chicago. He doesn't do things like that for people right so he's back the person you call to take you to the airport. But he was like okay. No problem so I get there. I ended up having a layover. So He's getting relief. That new my flight land in Memphis until twelve thirteen. He him so at that point. My older sisters had driven up from Texas to to meet him for release and I really wanted to be there because I felt like you know not like I want like all the credit but I'm like I got this ball rolling like I deserve to see him walk out but there's nothing I can do about it so I just like I prayed about it. I was like a meditated on the see him walk out. I can envision myself being. They're going to see it happen. So I drive from Memphis city which is an hour and two minute drive while my family Yvonne. I am an IPAD on zoom and I literally. I'm counting down like I'm twenty minutes away. I'm seventeen minutes away. I literally pulled in the parking lot and he came out less than two minutes later. He should have been out the door at noon and he didn't come out until at ten something and he couldn't even it really explain what took him so long to come out Make sure they had everything cares. Twenty six years Cape on what Syria? But so he. He was making sure all his legal papers where intact. And all of that I would have been by Bernie so I got to see him. I was the first one to my jumped out. Ran and it was such an amazing romance. It was an amazing moment. So it's been quite a whirlwind since he's been home advocate after the Now keep in mind now this the judge that said that I would never come out of prison ally. The judge actually said that. Oh yes he said that a number of times. Every time. He gave me a life sentence. He told me he said. You think you're smart but you never get out of prison alive. Wow and he gave me accept me delight to time and this was after. I'd already been sentenced to thirty years data reverse so when I got the reverse. Oh he says where you think you're smart he says but you're going to get. You'RE GONNA get more time this time so I gave me a life sentence when I got released. He added five years to the to the life sentence so now he wants me to report for five years. So can you walk us through so your original sentence was thirty years and you appealed. You appealed in one. Yes and then you. So how did you get another? How did you get a life sentence from from that? How did that? What happened was the first trial judge. His son was my business. Probably in a gambling casino in the Bahamas and I didn't know this until until later the judge was so meaning in you know it was unbelievable. Hi meany work so when I prayed on God so this say he's eastern partners with you you in business with him and I say God I can't believe that so then about after. I got convicted. Some people started coming forward and they told my lawyer that the his son was involved in a gambling casino. Deal with me so after I got the reversal. The same judge Judge Cleland or different different jobs. Different culture can judge the judge then then they had to give me a new church because that judge could no longer try my case. The Court of Appeals. Tell him to to resign from my case so then they gave me another judge from up in Saijonol so I figured that thank might be better with this judge then in eighteen out finds out in twenty eighteen. I find out that the judge that had been on my case for the last twenty years was an intern prosecutor against me in nineteen sixty five. So he was he cut. He kept it secret. He didn't never let it out that he was. He was my judge before I mean prostitute before so even better. He ordered the jury to convict me when I had the jury to the point where they were ready to find me not guilty because in he forced me to Argon to to trauma on case my mother was in hospital she just went into a coma when she found out. I was going to trial so I told him I'd say look. I will plead guilty to the indictment. I'll plead guilty to to the GATLAND. So he said no he said I'm not GonNa let you please give ninety eight Senate people's in federal court please gift but he said I'm not GonNa let you get so now when he's trying to case. I put my argued closing argument before the jury and I asked them. You know very simply Base argument would you convict your mother your while the US on your daughter on this particular type of Ebony and they were saying no they would break name shaking head no so he sees them do this and he ordered them to convict me so ten minutes after twelve day trial. Jury come back and buy me guilt so when you say. He ordered them to convict. He addressed the jury and said this man should be convicted or something of that and he said he said he said. I'm I'm ordering you disregard the last eighteen minutes of his closing argument. Just find him. He had his Court reporter to keep that last part out of the transcript. They deleted that last part so the jury back in ten minutes and convicted me. He go if convicted you. You got a life sentence than is that big to me for a second time but let me tell you what they did. After I came back right at filed a motion to be for my case to be dismissed because the indictment that they charged me on. Did Josh crack so aft out? I shoulder a vigorous argument that didn't charge grant because they never put a drug amount in there and he never charged me on eight. Forty one beat penalty. So I offered that there was no crime. Charged in the indictment is seven years later by snatching limitation on the indictment after five years. You can't go into new allowed. The prosecutor go get a new indictment so now we got an a whole new trial on a whole new indictment apt seven years. Now I've been trying on the war right so now we got a whole new indictment that they tried so as well judge. Elsey you try be on five or six cases at one time you know I am and Fulham is what an indicting so he said he said. Well that's how we do things and kept right on trying me on this case man and he ordered to jury to come with a verdict because there was no drugs so when. I all arbiter to jewelry acid late in German. Jury member lady went around. Saying where's the beat? I said I'm going to ask you. Where is the listed chemical in this case? Where is the government chemist that? Get on the stand and testify that this drug is certain amount. I said there's no chemists only stand the tell you what type of drugs this what. I'm charged with anything. And that's when the jury said well we don't really have no jurisdiction to try this case. I'm looking in their face in and day is really looking at jers saying man. What are you doing? But he put so much fear in them that they were scared. They were scared not to bring a burden of guilt. They didn't know what he was going to do them. So you know this. This is this what happened in that so when I went for sentencing he said well. This is only going to take about thirty minutes. I offered my case all day long from nine o'clock in the morning until all o'clock I was arguing about case before since so he had cancelled all his case and it was about ten fifteen lawyers in there and not one lawyer. You would lead. They stayed in the courtroom other. Say We want it? We want to hear this so not one lawyer left. And after after we spend it out finished and everything he imposed a life sin so they and I feel that and they reverse that and I went back again. He gave me a license again. Then when I went back to the Peels Court. They affirmed with no opin. One land you know defended raise many issues but none have merit so they affirmed digest inspired the fact that after seven years he winning got a new indict. And when I got when I when they sent me back to prison they started a whole new tabs sheet me and when they started to new time she they gave me all the time that I hit served jail grit to cover up the fact that I had once been tried convicted and sentenced on this case so the whole sentence was was contemplated on relevant conduct if there was any relevant conduct is if there was any evidence at all and that's what that's what guys give life sentences on December believable. Yeah Oh God it Oetzi. Most People Malloy was telling me that this that my case was the first case but when I got the prison I've found out. Daddy wasn't diverse gate. Then every case come up there is bay stole. Your sense is based on relevant conduct in every danced at all and they get licenses. Forty fifty thirty all types of sensors. They get there so net alone. No no evidence no trial enough for drug cases. Yes yes yes. Take a real quick break here. I WanNa tell you guys about an awesome libertarian. Podcast I know you guys think that lines. Liberties the only libertarian. Podcast out there and we are great. I mean it's awesome. We do here lines of liberty but there's other good ones too in fact there's a great one called Good Morning Liberty it's hosted by our friends Natan Charlie. They've taken on the onus of trying to change people's minds of how people view Libertarians. And they're doing this by leading with a message of compassion. I. They're looking at the way. 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This was going on Appealing and getting a life sentence. That appealing ed going back and forth with these judges. What was it like for for you and your family You and your siblings to to have to deal with this. When someone is sentenced to a life sentence if family serves with them and arguably I think sometimes the time is harder on us than it is on them as true. I can remember being fifteen sixteen years old at my kitchen table type briefs for him that he's written on yellow legal paper in. Pencil and I'm trying to decipher what's what and you know. Just doing whatever I can and so. It's been a long road and you know we stuck it out with him. But it's it's been rough I lost my brother. Lost my mom you know. And these are things that he should have been there for. And maybe if he had been there would have been different and so it's another literally taking black and brown primarily away from their families and out of their communities four and they can't even prove it so and that's the thing like there. Was You know there were people that got on the stand and said you know 'cause it was conspiracy so there were people that were like like here? He'd I think there was one one person that said. I carried eight kilos through the airport. And it's like do you know what eight kilos is like. Can you really strap a kilo so your body like you know what I'm saying like let's think about what that looks like and they just took it all at face value? Just whatever it didn't fax it matter. The law didn't matter none of it matters. And so if this people testifying the ghost drugs are getting reductions in their sentences. Exactly get Nego- free just reduction. They go home. And and that's what's being done. I didn't mean to cut you off there allegra. Sorry can that's the reality though it that. That's that's the name of the game until it's not even about you know police work. Detective work Reality or anything is literally about. Okay who can we get to tell and we'll just use that and that's enough and it's a really ugly system backs then created so it's it was it was rough but I think all of those years of typing briefs and filings the court of all. They know me. They know me very well. He even wrote in there. He was like yeah. I'm very familiar with Miss Walls. Because she has filed a number of things on her others have and he was flagged. But this time I'm GonNa get it and so you know it was chocking Lee different The material difference here I think was he was sick of my dad. That was sending letters to every senator. You know like He. I mean everybody kind of had an eye on him in knew what he had So it was. It was uncomfortable for him and I think he was looking for a way out looking for you know. I think if my dad himself which he was so so stubborn he wasn't GonNa do it. But if he would have petitioned the court he would have still think he would've released up but it just felt that much better for the adversarial situation to be me coming rather than my other. That makes sense of Anson's so he was. I mean almost syrupy sweet to me the response. I was like wait. We're wrote this. So yeah he could look at it as that he's he's still had an out because he was probably thinking his mind. He's using the pandemic as his as Randall justify exactly. Keep in mind one thing that did that. She was nine years old. When I went to Chris and man all my daughter's mandate they was real awards. They stuck it up. And I'm telling you know not one time. Did I call home and say I love your neighbors say always say I love you more and I'm talking about this is twenty six and a half years you know. They never gave up and they never stop to fight. And that's why I'm saying that you know everybody's family get behind the situation. And they said wheels adjusted turn slope. But if you get if your family get behind it you can get out of prison. You know and I created a foundation since I've been home called saw system direction and I want to put together a program called adopt the Pris- because this is something that will help and as wide receiver recidivism. I think that he would cut it down. Seventy five percent with this program because you will have the community church in everything involved. That's adopting this and it will make a great change in the system. A spending eighty billion a year. So why not out it to the community and allow these people to do the monitoring you know? So what's what's your vision for the program. That people in the community would Would create a house would create a safe house with these type of individuals the prisoners that they dumped monitoring them gift to find jobs him to get back into the community and everything where they can be a responsible person This program if we introduce it into the prison put together a proper training programs and everything like I say it will be seventy five percent less recipients with this type of program because the communities involved in helping this this individual to get back. Get US life and you're going to know the type of individual that you bring it out of prison you got the life was program you got the Dow programs these programs Excellent program and what they need more than net and they need. The community involved would adopt in a prison. And once this take place you see a great change in in in the Prison system and you see a great change and the amount of people that go into prison and you see a major changes. Poise crime is concerned. Because you have the older guys that can breathe on the young guys. You say a man I would do that you know they have somebody man. I can stand up and talk to. I think that's that's a great idea. And you know. There's so many people that they look at the prison system they look at you know. People have done time in the prison system and I mean a stigma to it but they they neglect to understand that by you know not giving them an opportunity to get a job or to to rent an apartment or do different things to participate in society to add value to society. They're just making things worse that they're driving people back into old habits. Which are going to lead to recidivism. So that's why I think your your idea for For Saad is is that the the acronym It's it's just make sense. It's a benefits the community. It's a public safety issue. Really that's really is and when you think about it The ZIP code back retool. Six is less than ten minutes from our house and that Zip code is where the most incarcerated people in the world. Come from bivary two. Oh six and so what that does is it reinforces the school to prison pipeline. Because they take they take census dollars by bodies and put them into rural white neighborhoods. And then because there's a whole group of black and Brown people in a prison. And then they take that money in us to educate their kids and then meanwhile in Fabrizio six. You've got overcrowded classrooms. And they're building prisons face off of third grade test scores. That are extremely low. Because he's kids are not getting the time attention energy that they need from their teachers. Teachers are underpaid and so if we bring those people back into their communities particularly obviously non violent drug offences things like that we're not earning pedophile back into the community under this programs so just to you know be realistic. But we're bringing them back into the communities where they can number one serve as mentors and guides to young men number to bring those census dollars back which will change the education. Valor spent right there. In the inner city it. We ended also working with different companies to take advantage of federal grants to hire prisoner. Well ex-cons and then that way they can have like actual you know jobs and be able to contribute and so it really makes sense from a tax dollars perspective And when you look at I travel the world quite a bit and we. Arben number one country that incarcerates he owed by far close. We behave in such barbaric state for being a first world country and so it's really shameful and then when you look at the prison system around the world and what they do to reduce recidivism and how they treat their prisoners so that they can function when they come home we are so behind the carbon this one with so many things but particularly in that area so it really requires us to reevaluate what the system looks like in order to affect change. See this everybody say. Get a good end. Get a good education and get a good job. Well the educational system in America needs to be these to be overhaul because of this reason because you have people that can't even read it right but they might be a might have a gift that God gave their. That need to be the belt so we need training program that specifically pick out what this person is good at and set them up in training for that. Particular Program. And that's what that's what's needed here. Because you got guys man out of Sync Diet do some Baramula saying that was in jail that they that they didn't even know date to do so. We have the The one-size-fits-all education system where everyone goes through the exact same track. Which is it's the factory education. Everyone's going to work in a factory. Line Assembly line. It's it's crazy. We have reformed the and it's time to do that. You know because if you want if you WANNA go ahead as a country security wise you gotta train your people May You know you gotTA TRAIN THEM. You GotTa let them know you know me if you can do this doing. Dan. I want you to do it. You know and I want you to train you to do it and be the best that doing. And that's the whole tea and that's what's not being done and that's why that all these guys they go to school they come out they watch. Tv They see all these beautiful things that everybody else got. And then you said an entrapment for him and they fall right into said well. If I do this I can have that. You know but what he don't know is. Ap used to give that. God gave him. He can have it and having more abundantly without worrying about going to prison leaving his kids unprotected without him for X. amount of years. Because you know I lost my mother father two sisters and brother so why and then my kids would love. You know. I mean it'd be taught by the fact that I was wrong and you were serving. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this was all non violent crimes it really like. I say it didn't charge that until seven years later. You when you when you when you first charts when they first charged me it was never a crying because he never charged but they gotta Lotta People's in prison like that. It's just that I was able to see the law and be able to learn and be able to point out like journeys told me. Say he said Joe Joe Motions. He say y'all motions and things that you have filed as tall as I said. Yo file in my chambers tall is totally science all these motions that you because they can never undestand how I could come up with that much. Thought in regard to the law you know like when Kanye went to Went to to the president and he asked President to abolish the thirteenth amendment. Everybody jumped all over this name down my you trying to put us back in slate. You try and do this and you try to do that. You don't know what you're talking about. But he was saying once all all the thirteenth amendment. Dmz legitimize sleep. If you've been duly convicted I was never duly convicted. So therefore you know in a sentence imposed on me was an aunt Justin. So that's why when. He said that if they abolished it then we would have to be paid minimum wage and Frizz and that's the thing that they were trying to get around when he made that statement there's lots of companies using that she prison labor. Yes from a lot a lot more than people realize yes indeed and and that's the thing that the public don't realize as pets pills and their jobs being taken so before we Before we end the interview here I really appreciate you both giving your time Wanted to give you both both a chance to to speak to Really just this experience and you know how how could other people You know just just imagine someone out there listening. Because I'm sure there's people who are listening to this who might have a loved one in prison right now If you could just just speak to them and I give them some hope or some motivation or Some help and getting through the from the outside I'll say don't give up To make the process easier if you are GONNA try to apply for a compassionate release underneath the guidelines of the Kobe scene and using the first step act number one get a power of attorney for your loved one. If you don't already have one number to right the motion and just ask. Can you release him under him or her using under the first step act because of extenuating circumstances that are presented by Kobe? Nineteen and list the number of cases that are currently in the prison to the best of your knowledge signing your name and then put away war. Whoever the loved one is an just submitted. And see what happens because the first setback removed a lot of the red tape which enabled us to be able to just file so it makes it where they can't be like. Oh this is imperfect or you didn't do this right or you didn't cross the data is now they just have to accept it under good and so. I would encourage everybody right now today. Draft a power tiny Golan legalzoom look online simple power of attorney. Just giving yourself full power of attorney sentenced to prison. They will get it. They'll be able to send it back and then file that's the most effective thing you can do and then don't give up on them. Duncan up what I'm looking at is this. I want to bring about a change. They use the Fifth Amendment jury system and when they use the Fifth Sixth Amendment Jury System. They use that system to help. But you in France I wanna be able to create the same type of community system that will help to say. I won't adopt that prisoner and I won't him out. I won't be able to get that same power to the community so that they can win. This prisoners should be released. And that's what I want to say to the commute when I put this website together and I want everybody to To get on board. I won't all the ministers to get on board. I won't the entire community to get onboard because the entire community loses when this man is in prison because the taxpayers pan. This eighty billion dollars a year but this man to be imprisoned if he's exercising some labor force betty exercising in this commute and let them monitor him. That's what I that's what I'm asking the community due to get on board and less push this it make it happen because we can't and I know became I think that's a that's a great mission and It's an inspiring mission really and I wish you wish you luck with that and You know it's a it's a sad story you know you're looking out what's what's transpired over the past twenty six years for for you and your family Felix and for you and your siblings but at the same time where you are today I mean. There's I'm sure there's a lot of people who are lot of prisoners out there who are still separate from their family so a lot of guys down there. Yeah thank God that you guys are back together. So that's That's fantastic thank God. Thank you both for your time today. I should to thank you for listening to today's show. Another great episode of Felony Friday as you know only Friday is one of three shows. We have here on the Lions of Liberty podcasts. 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Reporting and Wisconsin State home order for the pandemic was due to run through may until the State Supreme Court ended it much sooner however that is not stopping local and county governments from carrying out their own orders. Here's Mike Bowen Dot. Gop lawmakers had challenged the order from the Democratic governor and the Republican leaning High Court declared. It unconstitutional this week. Madison Mayor Sochea Roads. Conway says even though the state order no longer is an effect. Her County still wants residents to avoid unnecessary outings. Through may twenty six supreme court date was just throw everything open no precaution and nothing based on Best Practices in public health palm here in Madison. We will blue turning dial not flipping. Such the mayor says her office working with Dane County and public health officials examining cove in nineteen data set a path toward a phased reopening other counties including brown and Kenosha keeping vocal orders in place for certain periods of time this is. Pms Tomorrow is honor our LGBT elders day and with most Americans quarantine for the cove. Nineteen Pandemic Diane. Menard reports organizers. Move these celebrating online. Sam McClure Braxton Healthcare and Baltimore which inaugurated the event four years ago is encouraging folks to submit videos that tell a story about an LGBT PERSON. Over the age of fifty who made a difference in their lives he says that generation started the contemporary equal rights movement for the gay community which he calls a historic accomplishment anybody doing advocacy for equity and dignity for lgbt people. Today does that work standing on the shoulders of giants so we take time to honor those people. He points out that the event offsets the fact that older. Lgbt people are nearly absent mainstream culture to submit a video of you. The celebration go online to LGBT ELDERS. Day Dot Org or the group's facebook page. I'm Diane Bernard. The number of LGBT adults over age fifty in the US expected to climb from three million to over five million by the year. Twenty thirty with fisheries on the verge of collapse during the pandemic shutdown. Virginia officials are criticizing Federal Leaf for the seafood industry as woefully short Virginia will see only four and a half billion dollars to support one and a half billion dollar industry according to Chris War with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation many of these businesses which are very small operators and many of them within a tremendous amount of money gear up for the season and then had this shutdown just prior to the season. Starting obviously are gonNA need additional. Financial Health a bipartisan group of Twenty five senators from states with hard hit seafood sectors including are pushing Senate leaders to increase funding to a billion dollars in the next pandemic relief. Bill finally how do you vote by mail in Washington? If you don't have an address Eric Tate off tells us people who are homeless. Have some options to get their ballots counted in the Evergreen State? Hillary Coleman would Seattle King County Coalition on Homelessness. Says it's important to understand. There is a difference between a mailing address in a residential address and folks can use their mailing address to register to vote. Most people might have somewhere where they get checks for example if they're on social security or somewhere a loved one might send them a piece of mail and so we talk about using that address to register. 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DECRYPTED DOT COM. Um Yeah definitely want to check that out when you get the chance of course we will talk to you about whatever is on your mind and coming up here you know. This is kind of a Tech Tech Tech Related Story. But it's a little bit bigger. I think than that. It's also about freedom of speech and those are those are two topics that definitely intertwined from time to time on this one from the Washington Post about revenge porn and then coming up Student phones are being tracked. Big Time at colleges Chris. You've got that story that you'll share with us but revenge porn. Do you know what it is talking talking to you. Yeah it's it's where you you publish porn of your ex- usually that's right. Usually in some some sort of a negative fashion to punish them or whatever for a bad break up or to teach them a lesson or some sort of other wien or nasty thing. And there's now the question of well is revenge porn freedom of speech absolutely and I would say yes yes it is However there have been several laws that have been passed in various different states about revenge? so-called revenge porn. I will say it is dirty though. It's very very uncool. It's not it's not something I'm going to encourage but certainly certainly it's yeah it's tacky it's uncalled. It is not a not a thing that somebody who wants to have good relationships in the future should do because you know if your next relationship finds out that you posted revenge porn of your previous relationship chip. That's not going to I you know. I don't think that's GonNa make you look very good in the eyes of Flyer. I certainly wouldn't want to be dating. Somebody is going to be. Yeah Yeah not not that I do like nude photos of myself or whatever and nor have I ever requested such a thing for many of my partners so like it's not a it's not a you you know an issue that will ever come up but I still think it's pretty pretty. Yeah I mean it's one of these things where it would be probably more outrageous if you were we're not willing participant in the first place. meaning that we're seeing redone. It would be a little bit more outrageous than if it was like you can send it to it in the first place. Yeah secret secret Photographs let's say like a bathroom camera or something like that. Yeah in a bathroom that gets to be more of a tricky area. I would say because then. You're definitely I was thinking more. Creepy seven creepy and it's also deceit. Right right right but even then you could still argue that. It is still your right to put a camera. If if it's in your own bathroom I mean I don't disagree with you in. I'm not GonNa read them as an ugly thing. It really is actually actually in our discord chat right now. Obey your thirst is one of the users in there. He says it's worse than that. It's a breach of contract and probably a very serious case of it. Well where's the contract. Yeah I WANNA see this contract I mean if you actually have a contract so I mean I know. There's a libertarian. Who who I like? Personally Adam coca she had a relationship contract with a girl and got in you know some hot water over it a few years back but you know if there actually is a contract then okay and that was in there then. Yeah that's a breach of contract and go go ahead. Sue them over that but most relationships I know do not have a contract tracked. I think people are gonNA argue at some sort of presumed contract when in fact it's the only reason it's presumed effectively is because the law is the way it is and not because of any kind of actual genuine. You know agreement between any particular individuals seems wrong to me from a moral perspective because because one person's morals don't necessarily what somebody else's correct which is the whole reason why we shouldn't we shouldn't have these laws right because maybe we are okay with? Maybe it's a key thing that we're into right. Maybe that's okay with you know. The person that you're you were going out with well would then be revenge Enj- porn if it was okay with them because then they wouldn't be right. I mean it seems like it would defeat the idea but I mean look. It's kind of like revenge porn. It's kind of seems like it wouldn't be consensual in some way but at the same time I don't know like conceptual. Then it's like four. Vo Revenge Porn is not real. People are going to make the here. I think a better argument would probably be like with polygamy and that sort of situation because you know nobody gets into a relationship. Uh well maybe I shouldn't say nobody but most people don't get into a relationship and don't realize relationship rate meaning more than one right wife right so do you know but yet the law outlaws it right And they it's and this is why I say like you shouldn't be regulating people's moral behaviour you you know it's just one of those things where some people. Yeah you know if I might not be okay with the polygamist relationships. But that's up to me to not get into that relationship The washing say that I can or cannot yes actually have a call on the line here and I didn't get a chance to screen it before we get to it here I I I I guess she was expected to call in here. Naomi Brockwell is there and I see that her microphone is muted. So I don't know if this is actually gonNA work well at all but I wanted to give her a chance is to to jump into the conversation. She may have an opinion about revenge porn. In which case. She's certainly welcome. Are you there no me. I am not actually here talk about that. I think about privacy stuff but we can reschedule if you want. Oh sorry I didn't invite anybody on tonight I apologize for any he kind of miscommunication. I got an email but I'll okay. Well there's no there's no need to reschedule. I mean you're welcome to call in and talk about whatever you want here where this is free talk live so it's open phones. Any single night is my understanding. Is You were going to be calling in from time to time to talk about various different technology issues. So we suggest suggested that you do that on Friday because yeah earlier in the show because we're here on Friday night and Chris does a tech show so I mean but center there. Do you have any opinions about revenge porn to before you get to your privacy topic. It's Kinda Gross. Should it be a crime. Difference between the government coming down on something and having the state innovate and having society shun something. I think it's definitely society we need to Sean. This definitely not something you know. If I knew that this was something that that a person had a predisposition towards then I would never buy freedom of association want to associate with them and I'd be I'd it definitely have a filter stopping those people from being around my life but again support market based solutions to this ostracism and while I'm and almost anything I can't think of a single example way mockup assistance Better than a not better than government solutions. Sure I yeah I totally totally agree with you. There it's really a tacky thing but I don't think people should be put in prison for doing tacky on unproductive things so anyway. Let's jump into your your topic. What were you calling about tonight? It's going to be talking about all the stuff that's going on in Hong Kong and As the people of protecting that privacy there and also the the funds that was safes. But I don't know whether that's the topic you guys wanted to to discuss tonight. So as I said it's open phones here on live. Yeah we just we bring stuff in like the show That we want to talk about you know it's you bring whatever you want to get to. So what is it. That's going on in Hong Kong. I mean obviously protests have been happening. You're saying the protesters protecting their privacy. Are we talking about like facial recognition software that they're protecting from. There are a couple of things that I wanted to talk about in relationship Hong Kong but also in relationship in relationship with the censorship. That's been going on youtube at the moment to tonight. Standby Hi Nancy Lola. We'll bring you back here just about what's the best website for people to look up a blog or twitter Probably my youtube when my bit shirt on my library Dot Com site. So it's all navy Moments this is free talk alive. 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Because you're you're L. A.. Crypto lady you do a lot of crypto coverage in new stuff. Yeah so I'm a producer Docile and then I also have a channel that focuses on privacy and cryptocurrency cool. And that's what you called in to talk about. Tonight was privacy and specifically what's happening over in Hong Kong so give us a briefing briefing listeners. Need to know I mean. Obviously there's a lot of history there in Hong Kong as far as the conflict. That's been just out in the streets for how many months mom snow. I mean it's been quite a while right. God is it's been going on for a while. I mean so what happened last week was there was a seventeen million dollar Hong Kong Dolla Fund. That was a protest to fund. It was seized by the government and dreams like that happen. I mean that's the equivalent of about ten million dollars. US Day so things like that that occur. Her really should be a wakeup call to people that that they should be looking towards. Decentralized systems copied SAISD or shutdown on you know the same thing happens with at the Youtube Censorship. That happens this week in our budget accounts got shut down in the space and all these people sought saying all we need a youtube alternative and that sort of thing is frustrating to me because there have been youtube alternatives in social media alternatives allies Eight years and I mean if nothing else. I hope that this is a suitable lining that. This is like a a wake-up coal to the people who are on these centralized systems to stop the diversify sought to hedge their beds. But it is. I mean there are lots of options out there that increase privacy that increases favorite lots of lots of favorites but there are lots of substance out That do all these things people. Just checking them out and you're on library. I heard that you mentioned was bit. Shoot was on another one. It showed us a platform platform. I've been on for a number of years that mirrors your youtube site. So everything you upload. I automatically uploaded on a bit shoes so if any of you visit videos get removed if your account suddenly shut down Arnold Library also does that library also offers a youtube option too. I think yeah L. by the way listeners. For uh-huh in case you don't know it's L. B. R. Y.. Dot Com is the website that will allow you to download the library client and this is a crypto currency based blockchain based aced user base decentralized solution for video storage and video serving it's not for live streaming and I don't think it's shoot is either. Do you know you know what the difference is if any between the library platform and the platform. Oh yeah bit. Should isn't decentralized at all very proud of freedom of speech platform but they're not audited. Decentralized Service Library has like is. Reinvented the Internet awaiting pfoa applauding distributing files in a centralized way. So it's really fantastic. What they've tried to achieve there and I think as shaping right now because if you can pay library today is a how it was years ago? it's it's just so much easier to use is now in fact we covered it on the social short a couple years ago when I think it was Berkeley Decided to take down all of free lectures and they had all their lectures available available and imitated as well and and then there was this This ruling that came about that said if you do not have your correct subtitling and if the videos are not accessible to everyone they can't be acceptable to anyone. So that made them down. It was either that or they had to go through in spend however much money updating the mall which they didn't have the budget to do so they decided to just remove them and that's an incredible bracelets was pulled from the Internet so if someone decided that they would just mirror the The sites and I'm put it all on on library so now all of those lectures are available and can never be taken down. Well that seems like a no brainer. Then if you're picking I obviously you can put your stuff on multiple platforms arms. But it seems like if you from what you've said bit shoot not decentralized library yes it is so if given the choice I would go with libraries also really easy to use. It's it's very much like a youtube I mean I. I don't know the only thing that I've had issues with using library is playing video sometimes. Doesn't work well. Why because your I mean? It's all decentralized they're all kinds of sodas and computers that are hosting these videos So of course it's going to be as streamlined as a centralized service which tends to eliminate eliminate a lot of this friction. But at the same time I think it should also that I've had them on my show before and interviewed them. They're very proud freedom of speech. So I it just depends what what your what you'll risk capacity is for dealing with risk Worried about a platform taking down your videos worried about state actors is coming in pressuring platforms to take down videos as far it seems that within the realm of what's legal bit shirts is going to keep up everything if it's illegal. Obviously we pulled the differences library. Nothing can be pulled whether it's legal or not so it's interesting because I believe on the freaking article. We actually actually had a situation. Where the freaky there's a freaking article? I forget what article it was but one of the videos got taken down on Youtube and I think you linked to library somehow. Yes you remember this. Yeah it was. I believe it was the debate between Christopher Cantwell the Nazi and Aria Di Mezzo the The shemale well that's it was. It was pretty interesting and I think there's there's a there's a centralized like intermediary for library too so you you gene. We're able to get through it to library directly but also if you were not on library you could also watch the video as well all right. So yeah I totally agree with you. Naomi Naomi the people out there just they have to have something happen in a lot of cases to motivate them to look for alternatives. As me back to what's going on in Hong Kong so they we have this fund that's been saved and it makes me think you know crypto has been around for a decade now and a lot of people still on willing to look into it. It's not until you have an event like in Cypress Chris while you wake up and hockey of bank accounts missing will you you're in Venezuela in the boulevard is just hyperinflated out of control. You lose everything that you aren't. The people suddenly think Arcada some alternatives and by to light. They've lost their wealth so I just hope that Hong Kong is a particularly oriented. I just hope that this this has been a well. At least. They're at their people reaching the people. They're saying. You have options that are better systems out there. Your money will not be seized if your money was I. It could not have been placed. Spend wakeup call to people you know. Hold that thought. Actually can you stick with us for another segment here now. We can you hang on. I don't know how much time you have. Can you stay for another other segment more here. In moments now. Brockwell is with us her various channels for Naomi. Brockwell T. V.. She's on the library a platform. I think she said she had youtube. Still if you WANNA do that there are wherever our toll free number here is eight fifty five four fifty free. Maybe you want to jump into the conversation you can. This is free. Talk live balance of nature changing the world one life at a time. Your product is absolutely amazing. I can't tell you how how my life has been changed so completely. I'm just at a loss to describe. 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