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Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast

07:03 min | 1 year ago

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"Hi this is Jim. Lenihan Co host of the Rock in the suburbs. Podcast you can find it on itunes audio boom little plug when I'm not talking about my lifelong obsession or listening to springsteen records. Well then I'm listening to set. Lusting Bruce Starring Jesse Jackson who I met last year in Dallas. He's Beautiful Man Rock on Jesse As most of you know I think of podcasting is a family. Not only my part of the southgate media family where we offer many great podcast for a lot of different tastes including next stop everywhere. The doctor who podcast Titan Talk The Titans podcast and Phantom Zone upon gassed all about comic book. Tv All three Co hosted by Charles. Skaggs my buddy and I but we also offer tons of other podcasts including a podcast about the walking dead about Doing Your Business New Media we do shows about current comic books. The Marvel Universe the DC universe and a little bit of everything so I hope you go to the southgate media page and check out the other podcasts. That we offer but there also is a family of springs podcasters That are other passionate springsteen fans. They do podcasts. Probably the closest to me is Robin. Gbi On Bruce Springsteen's is the alphabet they have had me on the show. I've had them on my show. They often mentioned me. I know I mentioned them. And so Of all the springsteen podcast Those are the ones usually I end up talking about the most but I love all of them. I we have so many. Great springsteen podcasts tramps like us Bruce Springsteen podcast lead discusses that none but the brave podcast which is the newest springsteen podcasts. That has seen two lap. All of us People who Love podcast and springsteen seemed to just fell in love with none but the brave and their rankings in UK are incredibly high I'm so proud yet. Envious of them 'cause Suddenly Bruce never gets mentioned a best of were under ranking. So that just means I have to work harder Springtime for springsteen are absolutely wonderful. Guys that do a podcast. I love both of them. And the Bruce Springsteen Song of the week kind of is on hiatus but is still there and then of course boss cast which is a great podcast and you should check them all out. But if I'M GONNA do a non springsteen music podcast music talks with Terry Smith who has been on the show which I feel like is a spinoff set lesson bruce. And that's what Terry has call it where you pick a song of every decade of your life but rock in the suburbs with Jim Lenihan impetuous roster are is one of my favorite podcast. They come out every week they cover a variety of music. They interview musicians. They have their guests. They theme weeks. The episodes usually twenty to twenty five minutes long. Which means it's easy to knock it out every day I tend to be. I talked too much. So it's the same thing right I tend to talk even more but I love them and the reason why I'm bringing this up is On Wednesday March fourth in Vienna Virginia at a place called Jaman Java. They are Joan Patrick or doing a live show so as I record this. It is March first jamming. Java is two to seven Maple Avenue East Vienna in Virginia and If you go to suburbs pod DOT COM. That is rock in the suburbs website. You can find the information. So if you're in the Virginia area please go listen to great podcasts. Being recorded they're going to have just all kinds of fun music and different things and please go till Jim Patrick that. Hey Your Buddy Jesse Jackson over its atlas Bruce Sent me and told me to tell you hi to help. Promote this. And to reissue some episodes. I'm really proud of. I will be sending a different episode Airy Day. Starting on March second all the way to march sixth of of episodes. I've had in the past with Jim Patrick Sam Mary who has been on the show multiple times and where? Jim Patrick Join me to talk about pop songs. So it's rocking the suburb week. At set. Listening Bruce All in honor of Jim and Patrick two DADS who know how to rock who are incredibly supportive of this show They are great guys. They love music. They love beer and I just love them. Please please go check out the guys and as I said. Tell Jesse sent you thanks. Hey y'all this is Marian Hornak when I'm not thing into my daughter and talking with the guys from rocking the suburbs I'm listening to Jesse Jackson Sat Rusting Bruce. You just heard the fun. Hard rock music album raking band. Thinking joy spreading leered readings story sharing pie that one the on set listing. Bruce Settling Bruce is part of the southgate media podcast group the theme for settlers. Bruce was written by David. Roseanne used by permission.

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Reissue Mary Nahorniak RTS

Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast

59:19 min | 1 year ago

Reissue Mary Nahorniak RTS

"So my parents had a big record collection when I was a little kid and they were pretty poor mirror growing up at one point. They had to sell all their records to buy dinner. That might yeah But they were really the music they ever than telling me about. Going to attend the show like in the seventies My Dad really loved motown. We listen to a ton of motown growing up and Actually took this motown class in college. Which was really cool. It was sort of about the music. And then what was going on and the in not in the world in the US and like tying together civil rights and the rise of Motown it was so interesting but we would just like the teacher would play a song and I would like immediately transported to like my living. Room like Whoa. This is my dad. Hello and welcome to another episode of settling Bruce Your podcasts. All about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly as fans I am your host Jesse Jackson and we continue on rock in the suburb week. Today I am bringing back and episode featuring not Jim Patrick but was dead talk she worked at USA Today. Along with Jim and Patrick and on Tuesdays. They would do Tuesdays with Mary kind of a play on Tuesdays with Morrie and she would come in and talk about music and so I always loved listening to Mary. Shearer stories and I was lucky enough to get her to join me. Unsettling Bruce so I wish I'd worked it out where this come out on Tuesday but here is the talk way back This was episode one. Oh Six With Mary and enjoy thanks. Hi this is Jim. Lenihan Co host of the Rock in the suburbs. Podcast you can find it on itunes or audio boom little plug when I'm not talking about my lifelong music obsession or listening to springsteen records. Well then I'm listening to set. Lusting Bruce Starring Jesse Jackson who I met last year in Dallas. He the Beautiful Man. Rock on Jesse. Hello everyone and welcome to a new episode of SET LISTING BRUCE. Your podcast all about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly as fans. I'm your host Jesse Jackson and tonight we're taking a B side episode where we get off the Bruce springsteen and train and we talked to fans of different kinds of music and tonight I have. Podcast royalty with me though. I do not think Mary will claim that crown now but I am so proud. Mary Introduce Yourself Hi. This is Mary Hornak. I'm more of a surf. I think in this kingdom rural kingdom podcasting and and Jesse and I know each other through the rock in the suburbs. Podcasts formerly known as Dad. Rock where I used to have a weekly show yes. We did to cease with Mary. Which was a wonderful Kinda tongue-in-cheek Tuesdays with Maury right and And I just loved listening to Mary's episodes We kind of. Mary has a FRESH PERSPECTIVE ABOUT MUSIC. And she just joined the ranks of parenthood and she shared a little bit about that with our on the podcast and She just visited with Jim and Patrick on Rock in the suburbs. She kinda spent three or four days with them yet. Secret behind the scenes you record all at one time but I and I and I think everyone understands that but I love the fact that they try to. It's been a week yes right And so I reached out to Mary and I said Hey any chance you want to join me and she was kind enough to say yes so welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. This is such a delightful way to spend any money. We'll thanks so mary. I always like to kind of go back well. First off I'M GONNA KINDA SIBLING. Why I know. Obviously you're you're lovely to talk to but it was. How did it lead to you and you joining Patrick and Jim back in the old show? What kind of was the connection? That had them decide to have you as a regular contributor So let's see Patrick and I had been colleagues in sort of talked about music like not too long after one of US started. Usa Today so we hit each sort of known that we were interested in music and we had talked for years about Nico case so we can pin a lot of things on her. We had a shared mutual love for her and I joined the guys for a show about Wilco which they knew I was a huge fan of and we did like a big kind of our long Wilco show In the early days of Dad Rock and I remember as after it was being edited and Jemma SORTA finishing it. He was coming toward the hall toward me in the Hallway and I was getting ready to leave and he's like Mary and I was like. Oh God he's GonNa say like how terrible I was and he's like slow down he's like hey we're thinking about. We really liked the show in wanted to make it a weekly thing and I was like whoa totally did not see that coming so Because I think both of those guys have so much knowledge about music music history and pop music history and culture. And they're so they're so smart and they're so well spoken about it and I don't have that I I have a personal love for music at but I just don't have like the vocabulary and the the depth and breadth of knowledge that they do But I think they found my lack of knowledge appealing in some way so I could be like a foil maybe But yeah they invited me to do the show weekly. I said most definitely I want to do that. And so I guess do that. Ver- a premature good year which was really a fun thing to do in the middle of my workweek. Yeah I can imagine By the way I feel the same way about Jim and Patrick. You know I'm just a guy that I was podcasting for a couple of TV shows and decided that I went to the guy who runs our network. And I said I wanted to Bruce springsteen show he's like okay and you know as you know most of the show is about fans and in that you know I don't. There's other podcasts out. There that do with musical. Bruce's place in music and his you know the songs and a lot of more critic and I'm just I just think music is such an important part of so many people's lives and I love talking to people about that. So that's what this thing came about and so cool awesome. Yeah and that was sort of how like Jim Framed. The other show for me is like it's not music criticism. It's like you can't be wrong when you just tell your personal connection. Music like yours could be one thing that might be another and we're both right and like you know if I were doing us a criticism all I would say is that something is amazing or terrible and I just be like variations on a theme but instead to say like hey. This time I listened to this song made me feel this way. I met this person you know and you just like string your life together through music. So that's what makes it cool so I think that's what you're talking about with your podcast as well. Yeah absolutely Mary and you know one of the things that I love. Just you know recently. Jim and Patrick talked about that. They dislike the phrase guilty pleasure. Because the idea is you know if you love an afternoon delight but the star handbook and it makes you smile right which it does me because of the scene from sportsnight were they have that discussion and kind of it's played at the end. I said Oh that's that would have been another good place. It almost goes through. I go to Aaron Sorkin shows. Is You yeah exactly well? So let's go back to growing up. What kind of music did your family listen to? Was it a musical family? Yes I think we all love and appreciate music and none of us play it. Which is a source of regret but So my parents had a big record collection when I was a little kid and they were pretty poor mirror grown up and I know at one point. They had to sell all their records to buy dinner that night. Which is wow yeah But they were really into music they ever been telling me about going to a show like in the seventies My Dad really loved motown. We listen to a ton of motown growing up Actually took this motown class in college. Which was really cool. It was sort of about the music. And then what was going on and the in not in the world in the US and like tying together civil rights in the rise of motown and it was so interesting but we would just like the teacher would play a song and I would like immediately be transported to like my living. Room like Whoa. This is my dad. Like what is this so a lot of motown? He listed a lot of jazz for a while. He was big into steely Dan So that was a lot of what they were playing and my brother and I are very close in age. He just about a year older than me so he was big in the music. Really big into the Beatles His first show I remember was billy Joel John. He was like kind of a classic rock guy for a while And he was a huge influence in and turning me onto all kinds of new things at that time and still does so we share a lot of musical tastes. You know that's a common theme on the show. Mary is If you're the younger sibling or the older sibling and you either are influenced pre heavily on what you liked by your older sibling. Or sometimes they rebel totally and they go for a different style of music. Because you don't WanNa be like you're all yes but either the same amount influence. It is and You know when I've had a lot of people talk about that. Being the older sibling they felt a responsibility that why I want to lead them the right way and think of that. Almost famous scene where the character is going through his sister's albums and seeing pet sounds and all these other In this this whole world that she's leaving him so that's cool you guys are still close instill Go back and forth of music are texts conversation as half chat in half spotify links. Whether it's either something new like that we want the other person here or like we'll just dig up something old and just like blasted their way to So that's really fun and I think that like a turning point for me like I was so he. He was definitely into cooler stuff at much earlier than I was. And I was listening to a lot of just like top forty and I really liked a lot of rb and hip hop and meal is fair CD and that was like a total turning point and And it was something that like. She became my own but also like opened up. This whole world of Indian alternative that I can definitely like look at that and see how I started to go down a different path. That was probably like just before school started but one of my friends at which point like my brother and I both went way down like the violent femmes rabbit hole. I was very dettori. Most and Fiona apple like all obligatory high school girl kind of stuff. Yeah so that was my world when you graduate from High School Ninety nine okay so yeah That's interesting and I I was. I became aware of this fair when she was on The HBO show. Bob Costas did an interview show and was on it and I was fascinated by her. She was a really articulate. Very funny interesting and I went to go buy this album and really liked it. I am so that's interesting so you did. You're going into college. Did your musical tastes expand or did you stay pretty close to your kind of routes That's a good question so again. I guess I would say my brother and I. We ended up actually going to the same college so we were still sharing music during worlds and and friends and people and stuff. I listen to in College. I I still yeah it was still go see. Tory Amos shoes nearby. I really liked three eleven. Which is kind of embarrassing I got into the roots which is not embarrassing. They're wonderful I let's see trying to think of some good show. We did a lot of traveling for concerts. I guess six sort of right after college was definitely a new. Like era for me in music. I met a bunch of friends at my very first internship at a school and And one was really a music and she opened me up to Ryan Adams and My brother had been into Wilco for a long time but I finally got into them at that point So that was definitely like going down more of this like Americana folk kind of for lack of a better term Route that I think I'm still sort of in. And and that's probably my jam and I went to college and graduated from High School in South Carolina so that music also sort of feels like that place as well to me. Yeah definitely like having southern music in the south all tied together. Yeah one of the shows you. You talked about on rocking. The suburbs was Jason Israel's new album the Nashville experience. Right Yeah Nashville sound national sales. Yes and I I have a friend. Who's a big fan and I said you know I need to pick that up. And he looked at me like you. Don't listen to him and I'm like yeah but you know this lady on a podcast. I really liked and then And I said that in also I've read somewhere else a couple of other people that have been on. The podcast talked about. How wonderful the album wasn't it? Goes well okay. And he actually said I don't have I don't have a CD. I can borrow you basis but if you if you downloaded from apple from items I will pay you back. If you don't like it and it was I I totally in fact One of the things I do as I talked about with. Jim and Patrick is When I'm getting my chemo treatments I don't listen to podcasts. I listen to music and to your episode with them. Yeah and I did Jason's this last and it was really a great. Cd A loved it. Yeah I think you know my friend Sam. Now is like okay? Well let me get you some old drive by truckers and you can kind of do some interesting things but yeah. I think that's a very cool CD and really very fun to listen to also saying some nights things. Yes yeah he is he. He's an extremely good writer. I like how he doesn't just go for the most obvious thing and he really. You can tell that he works. Really hard to find the right freezing Like a little bit of a perfectionist with the words and a read. A review of this album is compared to the last few which are incredible And as he's gotten sober and he's got this family and his life really is together. He's achieving more and more success That really instead of his songs being about himself now. They're about the world like he's had to sort of instead of having that inward gaze turn it outward and the word for the album in this review that I was reading was about empathy like his albums about. Let's put ourselves in other people's shoes and try to think about their lives too and I think that's really an incredible point to reach in a career and especially I think he's I think he's thirty seven he might be thirty eight but At most so you know. And he's been through a lot But to have that kind of outlook is really really cool yet. In what I like about it is it still It still sounds good. Other words you know I remember Way Back in the eighties with little steven when he was doing won't play Sun City and Someone said but can you dance to it and he goes absolutely you. It's not music if you can't you tap your feet and enjoy the sound so to him. That's that's awesome. I'm so glad he listened to it. I'm glad that you liked it yet if that makes me happy. So is there other favorite musicians that are staying on the rotation right now? Yeah let's see so Wilko's obviously you know tops for me so I was just. I actually drove yesterday to the Jersey shore for the day and And I thought I would do some research in Springsteen native land soils newborn prio but To answer your question I did. I listened to Wilco because I wanted to listen to something that I knew really well because my daughter was in the back of she was sleeping so I needed Down and I find I find listening to music and a low volume kind of stressful. Because I'm straining to hear it I'd rather either have Silencer Heaven Nali but in this case I was driving for three and a half hours and she was hopefully going to sleep for a lot of that so I and summer teeth which is a rate wilco album Their second and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and just listened to some classics like I was like. I've got time. I WANNA listen to start to finish. Let me just like rehear these And not have to you know. Try to be picking out new things and gang a ton of attention but just like let the music sort of wash over me Riem. Jay Assassin down the Thanks again and then. Today I played a song that I talked about on the previous podcast. That was one of my favorites from last year. And it's an album that came out I started listening to it right after I had the baby. And we'd be home together and I will suit a lot. My husband really liked it. Which surprised me named really happy and that's Lori McKenna And she has a song humble and kind that I believe is actually also Tim McGraw Song that she wrote but her version of it is wonderful so I was just playing that as my daughter and I were just sitting on the floor playing on the rug and just wanted to hear how she thought how she might listen to it today versus when she was three months old and she seemed mildly interested. So call that a win And those bad I don't get the keys shouted services search. Your mom says these grabber chance jeep voice to always say say. Hey you don't see off. It's always say yes What is the GO-TO Music for young toddlers this day I will tell you. Chris was born in eighty nine. So Um we went through a whole spell of Rafi. Yeah Barney now. Luckily though Sara Hickman. Who's a local singer songwriter that we had gotten to be friends with she lived in? Dallas and she moved to Austin He listened to a lot of Sarah Music and also brave Combo. So we we were able to mix in that and of course the beach bags as him his He and my lovely bride would pick at me at the time with the beach. Boys on the beach bags so Fans okay So what is the going thing that She's listening to so we are big Rafi family. I was raised on. Rafi myself and we listen to baby. Beluga a lot. We did when she was little. And now it's actually part of her going to bed routine where I tell Alexa play it and then I walk out of the room so I'll have to sing and usually she's asleep by the time it's over which is great so she really likes the you know. The songs are like very accessible. They're like a little bit funny for kids and not you. They're still amusing for parents. I really enjoy Rafi. Adding scrape the two and three and four in the D. C. Slim so y. And Swim so you know and the Lynn to life way. Maybe a the is your momma mold with you so way down young ray the dog spray where you die and Special Day. The waves roll out. See the water spurred now to your baby. The Gaza Senior Little Song for all your friends leave. I love go. We had the DVD Rafi performing live. And A in it is it is. He's really good at what he does. It is some interesting songs I am. I am smiling and I have joy in my heart. Raffia still popular. Oh I love I just love it. I mean the brushing your teeth song like there's just so much fun stuff so I'll just yeah. We'll listen to that a lot. We'll do the car will listen to it on the Amazon Echo Just planning the House because it like Alice will just perk right up in like G. enjoys it And then she takes this music class. The programs called music together. So it's a lot of kind of folk songs And Kid Music. Not Quite as like funny and out there as Rafi but but more like And they play a little instruments you know not like they're not learning they're just exploring and experimenting with music really loves that so sometimes put on One of those CD's And chill chill like snap to attention when she hears the stuff that's in the class that she really likes go into so that's pretty cool to see and then friend who's a mom of triplets. Visiting them a few weeks ago she was telling us about. This artist called baby pants which is a name and she said that they tour around Seattle and Portland and she's like guests who they are and I was like. Oh it's gotta be the guy from December she said No. It's the guy from presidents of the United States of America. Not Remember them. Yeah Yeah So. He does children's music now and he's called baby pants and heart funny. Yeah which is Kinda funny if you think about that song like millions of peaches like you know it was like finally goofy teenager music at that time so he just like took a decade off now does Kiss Music which is pretty enjoyable to listen to. That is awesome. Yeah You know I shared with you. That Because I was such a fan of you on the podcast. I reached out to Jim and Patrick. I said hey you know my friend. Sara Hickman does has a couple of children's CDs would be appropriate descended to and they said. Yeah yes and two Marines. So you're in is enough to say that you enjoyed the CD. And But oh my gosh. It was just the greatest mystery for so long. Thought these come from and you know what I was like opening them and Patrick was there because I had dropped by the office. And we're chatting. I think my friend tug was there and everything and I was like. Oh look at this. Who are these from? And everybody's just like oh I don't know I was like there's no note and the view had sent me a tweet or something you know I was so brain dead after I had the baby clearly forgot so I just couldn't figure it out for like eight or nine months. Patrick was just standing there. Like not putting together Ho. That's so funny. Yeah Menu that was so well. You know that's Great So I think it's kind of fun that Are there songs that you and Alice Sing together or do you think you've told a little bit story but I don't think my audience is heard? What is there already said? Baby Beluga is a good night song. But is there other? Do you sing to her waking up or do you have some other kind of rituals. Do a lot of just like you know singing. Whatever we're doing like seeing talking today I in order to get her to sit still so I could cut her nails. I let her wash video for the first time ever. She's almost one. I was like okay where she can. Watch the occasional sesame street on Youtube and it was feist singing her sesame street one two three four which is like counting to four. It's so charming so an alice was just like zoned. Very exciting places So I played some revolver which was like a little bit out there but You know like I wanted her to hear yellow submarine so anyway. I feel like that's kind of our next. Frontier is like the sort of like upbeat Beatles. Songs could be like a nice connection point. Oh Yeah I think that would be really nice you know. I called into a talk show years ago when John. Sebastian was touring and I asked him. So you know I have a young son. And what do you think would be good? And he said you know all the loving spoonfuls he said are very fun for kids to listen to see. So that's that's nice. It's really good some. Yeah yes she just likes everything like I mean. She likes everything everything but she also likes everything music like. She's it's really very cool. That is very cool now. I know with a infant and I know she's getting to be a big girl but it'll be one like I Your social calendar must be nonexistent. A lot of ways You do things with other parents a lot but when you do get to have date night or when you know Alice's off with you know Inlaws or a babysitter Are you guys doing anything musically escape or is it Dinners and you know movies concerts. Yeah that's I'm glad you asked that. So I got before she was born. I had gotten tickets to shows that I knew you know we'd have her again. But I got tickets to Jenny Lewis. Who is one of my absolute favorite artists? I had not seen her and I was like what room have a little baby. But we're GONNA go like we're GONNA do it. She'll she was six weeks old at the time and that was An incredible experience Cheri Lewis just fantastic and she played rabbit fur coat start to finish because it was the ten year anniversary is very and it was like a a good moment for me to take stock of how my life had changed in that ten year time since I. I heard that albums nice. Oh it was great and then and my husband really thought she was awesome performer and and really likes listening to her after that show which is really cool We saw her. We had tickets disturbing Simpson which we went to probably about a month or two after that And then we have some friends that we tend to go to a lot of concerts with And we just saw Wilco with them. at Wolf Trap which is a national park that host concerts? It's just my absolute favorite venue. It's always a beautiful night at the sounds fantastic so weak and we had seats inside the pavilion and the sound is phenomenal. and WILCO. It was one of the better shows I've seen for them. And we just saw Jason Bull Let's see about three weeks ago. I think So these are all things like vic- these artists coming. I just get tickets and it's like we're going. I don't care if it's Tuesday. I don't care if it's Sunday like we're getting a babysitter and we're doing this and then you've got it on the calendar you've already put the money in. There's no backing out. So yeah that's really been probably most of our date nights Which has been really fun. That is very cool. Now My lovely bride. Linda is at best the casual springsteen fan and so she kinda sad part I know and so I was going to We have a couple of people like we're both big John Hiatt fans and We we both. Have you know other bands that we liked? But she kinda rolls or is at my Bruce Obsession Slash Passion depending on rich perspective. You look at how about you and your husband. Do you guys have anything that you kind of Listen to because you're a loving partner or in. He does the same thing. Yeah I definitely so. I've always like sort of jokes that we have this fen diagram in there. He knows one circle is my stuff in ones are gone his stuff and then there's an overlap in the middle and pretty much. Everybody I just mentioned is in the middle. Or if it's if it's not one of his favorite musicians at least he will go like you said via loving partner will be supportive There are a handful of shows. I've taken him to where he really did. Not like what was what he was listening to. And after that I just go to those other people but Yeah so and then he's really into electronic music so what we definitely have an imbalance where he's gone to a lot of my artists things and I'm definitely overdo go to some electric shows with him But really what happens is I'm I see the shows and I buy the ticket like I go. Oh Jason's like I got tickets. You know like I'm not asking you and it's okay if you don't WanNa go as all find somebody else but I'm going And and he usually wants to go and we have a wonderful time but So I definitely Oh him and he is welcome to cash in whenever he's ready So I don't know what I've ever even been doing electric show and he's gone to a couple since we've been together and there are some pretty cool venues in DC that I think have Some of that stuff so Yeah that that's probably the few judges interesting you know The same thing happened to me. a singer. Songwriter. Marian call from Alaska she. I found her several years ago. She had done an album. That was Kinda based on firefly on Battle Star GALACTICA. But if you didn't know the shows you can still enjoy the music and I really liked her and so I've been following. Her and Linda had seen her once before. And Marion is starting this tour in She was playing at a little coffee shop here in Dallas and I told Linda I said well you know. It's Friday night to if you don't want to go but I you know I want to go. And she's like no no no. I'll go and we had a great time. But I have that. We have a discussion now after being married so long. Like okay you know at seventy eighty hundred bucks a ticket. If you're just going to be polite it's it's okay because I will find a friend or I don't mind going by myself versus just US paying this money for you just to be okay. I'll be a supportive partner right so I've been flying a friend who wanted to go see. Somebody knew that she had just gotten into the tickets. Were Five Dollars. But they have a young son to and she's like well. We're talking about a two hundred dollar night when it comes down to like babysitting dinner you know like you put it all together and you're like oh five dollar show by US really. It's it's not so like you. You WanNa make those choices mindfully. By the way I love the fact that you and your husband do a lot of shows but I have to ask you when you go out to dinner without Alice. do you specifically go later or two restaurants? You know that there may be a wait and you don't care what do you mean like that? They're eighty so when when we Chris was little. You always head to the restaurant that you knew like we're GONNA eat early five or six because there won't be a wade because he's only going to be well behaved as you know. There is a window and so when I have a babysitter. Linda's like I WANNA to pick a restaurant where there's we're gonNA sit at the bar from forty-five minutes waiting for it and we're going to have a drink and we're gonNA take our time like I didn't know if you something similar we tend to. We tend to go later because we just usually go like. It's just easier for us to put her to bed and then talk somebody through the whole thing. It's not like it's hard it's just. I ended up giving them way more detail than they needed. And they're like you can go now. No but yeah. It's one of those things where you're like. It's like you're spinning around with your arms out like the sound of music. You're like I'm free. I could just sit at this bar. I could Walk Rama's block. I don't like I'm not in any kind of hurry. There's a babysitter baby's asleep in like yes so I definitely don't mind any Kinda way or sitting at the bar like having a cocktail just sounds like a dream which it actually sounds really nice right now which means we're probably overdue yes very much Awesome so if there's Do you have any kind of concerts stories or you know going to DC. All the different shows is there anything memorable you may WANNA share a story that was funny or your main. You know touching that you might wanna tell us yeah I have two stories about the same artist is actually want artists that my husband does not like. I took him to see a Ted Leo show who's like a pop punk guy Actually from DC. Part of the DC hardcore scene. I think back in the day and And he really didn't like it and so that was one time another time after that I went. I actually just went by myself. I was like I just really WanNa go see him. I love him and not interested. I used to not be comfortable doing things by myself and I ended up going and I thought was great. I had such a nice time by myself. So that was like a very cool You have in your pocket So I love that. And then there was another time that I saw him and It was the first time so this is like many years before either go shows. It was in Richmond where I lived at the time and His drummer was drumming and broke his arm. Somehow I can't remember what happened if it was like. Did he fall or did he? Just whack the drugs too hard. I actually think it might have been the ladder that he broke. His arm. Couldn't play in. So Ted Leo said to this small Room full of people. Can ANYBODY FILL IN ON DRUMS? In this like sixteen year old kid raised. Hana's like I can do it gets up on the stage can play all the songs they just like totally rocked out all their music with this fill in teenage drummer. Who had never played with them? They'd never met. It was such a cool like small club. You Know Not. A big concert experienced that You know could've gone south really quickly and instead became really memorable and really awesome and I think probably says a little bit about punk music too So yeah that's something that I'll always remember. I went to that show with my brother and a good friend. Heather In Ted was actually just hanging out in the back of the room beforehand and I- brother went up chatted with him and asked him some questions about songs. And so that was just like a very cool Cool night outside of the big concert experience. You know We early before we had the boy when we moved to Dallas we did were went to local clubs and heard a lot of local musicians and it was. You know always nice because you know brave Combo you know we used to joke. Brave Combo says. Hey thanks for coming out. I said when I go see Billy Joel. He doesn't tell me. Hey thanks for coming out Right and and you did have that you never know what's GonNa go on and In that spontaneity. I love We don't do it as much as we used to. But you know I still when we go to a small club There is a fair amount of Great venues here in dfw where you can hear you know Singer song writers or smaller bands and it is a nice kind of connection versus going to the arenas or in in hearing right this big extravaganza show right. Yeah it's good to have both like to have like the big arena like production and the song's he known by hard and it's rock and as loud and like on point and then to have those smaller club experiences you don't know who you're going to hear or what they might sound like or but interesting things might happen isn't it goes on and it's like you know kind of free fall and I think it's it's awesome to have that opportunity to both those Area where you get both of that. 'cause I imagine you get some pretty big name acts and Dallas while we do and And so it's once again. You know you kind of make the decision what you're GonNa see what you're gonNA do I'm crossing my fingers that the band's members are kind of they're doing solo tours and I keep you know hey. Dfw's here we'd love to see if you've never seen brewers no I haven't and it's funny because as even as we talk about. Jason is bull I feel like a lot of roads. Lead to Bruce Right. I mean people the couple that I mentioned. That are friends of ours. We go shows with lot. She's a huge Bruce Fan. I have a lot of friends when bruises town like my facebook feed is everybody was there. All the Bruce show and it's kind of like a void for me in a weird way and there's there's no real rhyme or reason to it. It's not that I don't like him because I certainly do. I think it's just that I've never. I Guess I think my dad does like him and But I don't think he was playing a lot of his music when I was growing up my brother. I don't think really had like a bruce phase so it just seems to be something that I've skated around in yet. A lot of the music I like comes from him or is a lot is in a similar vein And I was thinking about that as I listened to born. Run yesterday and we just started watching. Have you seen the show What is it? The defiant ones are and I I it sounds like it's a wonderful documentary and in Bruce actually fairly with it. 'cause yet my it was funny because my wife's like why are you taping documentary about Dr Drey? I'm like well Bruce in it. Of course he is. She just rolls her eyes. Like of course there is but my son actually is the one he told me says. Hey Dad I think you'll like this documentary and Bruce's got a fairly big part in it right yet. So yeah so we watch us. The perception is all. I've seen Made me think about you know we. We talked for podcast and so I listened to born to run specifically. Because that's the album that Jimmy I was working on and and the show is also about him And Dr Dre and they beat together and the rest of billionaire history but yeah. It's just it's only remembered the thing that you said. I'm sure you've you've said it a few times to the guys in you said you know. There're two kinds of people. When they go to our bruce show they either go men. That was really long or like I want to quit my job and follow him around the country and I. I think I will be the ladder. I think I probably just needs to go but I could see myself going down this rabbit for sure. All you want and this is an open invitation. I realize you are a busy person but I am actually going through a series of Newbie episodes in what I've done is people from other. Podcasts have reached out to me and we're trying to cross promote in four or five of them like I know nothing about Bruce and so I gave him ten songs throughout his career and said This is kind of a wide range. I didn't give you any of the hits And then an after enough time they join me and I set the expectation. Okay if you hate him. I think it would be an interesting absolutely so I throw that open to you. If you ever decide you WANNA do that. I can send you the less than you could join me and give me that. Yeah Dude I okay I do too Bruce Song I have to like two small stories. It's not like I don't know anything you know. Everybody knows something right So one song that I remember my dad blasting in his convertible. I think that it must have been as I was graduating from college. And he was taking us all out for a nice dinner in South Carolina and we were driving on these back roads and it must have been springer summer right around graduation time and it's Mary's place And my dad just had the sound system like blasting the windows down sale on top of his lungs about meet me at Mary's place and I remember sitting in the backseat and like the whole. That was by the way that is the song I just. I had downloaded in plan to do for the introduction for this episode so that is very fun that mention that That is one of my favorite songs. I I grew up. My Dad was in the army and my mom spent a lot of time. Her parents owned a dairy farm. And one of my favorite memories is being on the front porch shelling peas or doing all this shucking corn or whatever and and. I always picture that when I hear Mary's Place. Because this whole sense of family and togetherness so yes. Yep Yeah and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what my dad is thinking to definitely remember if you listened to that springsteen album in the car and then. I had a boyfriend in College. Who is a band And he did a cover of I'm on fire and I think that was the first time I had heard. It is still really like that song. That's like oh shiver inducing songs. That's probably my favorite Bruce Song and like I said I don't know them all. I certainly know the head Sean but I I listen to that again yesterday a couple of times like I don't know if this gets old. Does it get old for you know. It never gets old. Those are wonderful stories. You're very nice to like the numbers fans. I appreciate it. Not that I'm not again. It's like yeah you know it's like don't not like it. I just don't know about it while I just had a guy on that doesn't Americana podcast and He did the same thing I gave him. The Ten springsteen songs and listened in east some of me like some of the didn't but he said it was enough that it piqued his interest that he wanted to explore more and. I told him if he wanted to return the favor if he wanted to. Send me ten songs of this. Americana Genre I would listen and then you know he could host the show and we talk about so. We're going to try to do that. How Fun because yeah kind of Nice to see a different thing going on to give you instead of just randomly picking you know songs off spotify or something to have a purpose makes it a little bit easier right. Yeah yeah well and when you feel like it's sort of tied to you know an assignment for lack of a better word than YOU WANNA. Kinda put some energy into it rather than just like I'll get around to it someday. Like that's pretty cool. Yeah and so. That's it so so far. The of sets have come really. Well we've had a discussion So we will. I will send you that and we'll talk about that. Maybe later this summer so I would love to do that. That would be wonderful so Any final thoughts you want to share with the audience. I I've kept you and you've been very sweet Listening to me and answering my questions. Thank you for having thoughts I don't I don't know I always laugh at people always go. Hey do you wanna say something like in a meeting and they go no and then they go blah Blah Blah Blah for three minutes. I don't know if I have any final thoughts. I'm just now I just vamping. That's okay yeah like I said before. I think like it seems like a lot of roads. Lead to Bruce or from Bruce as the case may be in so it's nice to sort of like Think about that a little bit and maybe pay a little bit more attention to it Okay which kind of goes back to what we were talking about with the guys where they have homeless good you know their musical knowledge is really incredible and I think they could rattle off. I mean they could write essays on Bruce Springsteen you know for years probably but to defer Mita actually just start to tie things together is very cool so thank you for bringing me into this. Oh No I love it. I appreciate it so much. So how about any plans for the summer? Why were you what were you going to the Jersey shore for Regis visiting some friends? I had a friend She lives In San Francisco when my very closest friends and She goes the shore every summer for a month with her family. She grew up near there and so I thought well this is the only day I could see you. So I'm coming so me. Analysis hopped in the car and drove up to the shore and Spent the day it was really lovely and I were. We're about to go to Maine next week for vacation Which is a summer road trip? We always do and I thought that I kind of wanted to like do a mini road trip with Alice just to get her use to what next week might look lake comfortable in her carseat And I think a little solo driving time is always good for the soul so even though I had her in the backseat. Just staring out at the road and doing my thang so it was a nice day Yeah and we're we're headed remains A. We will be looking for things to listen to for sure. That's awesome. I quick story because you're talking about driving Solo Back in twenty eleven My father passed away and he was living in Kentucky and so My wife and son were like well. We'll go with you and I go no I. I think I really need time alone in the car to drive. So idea. And I I I drove and almost to Kentucky you know one sitting and So it was in. I think I stopped in Nashville. And that's the point of the story is I spent night national and then I went on to Kentucky so so Bruce Springsteen's coming in a few years later and I'm like I don't need an airline ticket. I'm just drive because it's easy so I called. I called Linda. I said you know when you're not dealing with your father's death that's a long drive along. Like twelve yeah something like that. Yeah so it was. It was a long time. I and I I mixed between podcast and songs and stuff so The good thing. Usually a bruce springsteen concerts three and a half four hour. So if you get that on East Street radio okay. I've got something to listen to you for the next three and a half hours is that that's a serious station. Isn't it yesterday? That's okay cool. I'm totally going to turn that on. That's great yeah. It is Yeah it's all springsteen all the time and it's good. Can I say one thing at listening to your show with Jim and Patrick? I think that you said confirm that you grew up in Louisiana famous Indiana. What's that yes? It is okay so my mom grew up in New Orleans and Houston split her time between the two and she has no southern accent really to speak of but she says some things that I realized now are not things that everyone says and one of them. I've never heard anyone else say except for you. Which is how you pronounce the. Word P. O. E. M. Okay Right. That's what she does and so growing up she was a point and I had this book of poems and she remains little rhyming poems and then it just said it the other way and then at some point I learned there was also something called a poem and for a long time. I thought they were two different. Things are short rhyming like cute. Little Children's poems and poems are like epic works of Poetry. I love that I was just like. Oh my God I was like. I was like myself commuting home in here. You say poem in this podcast and I was like who can I call? I've never heard anyone say the soil mom says it. It was so funny. I embarrassed myself The other night I went to see wonder woman and was walking out of the theater and it was at a Mall. Movie Theater and The mall had turned the lights off and so there was no electricity. There was no air conditioning. Because the mall was closed. And as you're walking through Someone said a lady said why? I wonder if someone didn't pay the light bill and I stopped her and I said I'm sorry. Where did you grow up? She looked like here in Dallas. I said Oh I'm sorry I said I grew up in Louisiana. And that's what my mom calls the Electric Bill L. is the light bill. And I've never heard that phrase from anyone else except who lives in Louisiana and then she was not as like. Oh okay you know. That's that's what I call it and I didn't figure that connection so I totally get that That I'm glad it made you think your mom. That's that's kind of A. That's a sweet story very charming I I did. I ended up texting my brother. My sister I was like these guys like the other thing that I just. I was in New Orleans for my birthday in our wedding anniversary. Linda we got married on June. Second IN I. My birthday is June third and so yes She and so we were in New Orleans. Who were Frenchmen Street and I was at a club and I was in the afternoon. It was kind of an open set. These people were playing and they were really good and they were passing around the hat and when they said. Is there anything you want to hear? Linda? Look you know rose our Eisenson guests go ahead ask him and I said well. I promised my wife I wasn't an ask for any bruce springsteen and the The singer Goes Oh. Atlantic city's one of my favorite songs. I'll do that for you next. Set and So Linda was like just face Bruce's everywhere so funny. That is great. Well I hope you have a great time in Maine. Thank you I will email you? The list of songs that I've been asking all the newbies to do. So maybe you can build your little spotify perfectly lists than you can throw that in the car. Enjoy the time I just have. I'm so happy you join me and I appreciate your time Have a great summer again. We're letting me in wishes embryo. All right sounds good and we'll talk to you soon. Okay you just heard the fun hard rock music of album raking band joy spreading lyric readings story sharing pine gap. That is the one the settlers settling. Bruce is part of the southgate media. Podcast group the theme for settlers. Bruce was written by. David Rosen used by permission.

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Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast

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Reissue Jim Lenahan from RTS

"That album was just huge. I mean you couldn't you couldn't escape it you would want to but you couldn't anyway was was enormous. It was a big album. I had a lot of singles was huge. Hits it was radio? Friendly was all that and that was really my discovery. Bruce not to say I hadn't heard him before because you know with. Fm Radio played. You know born to run and hungry heart and thunder road and stuff like that. So I've heard those songs but I wouldn't say that is connected really connected with reuss until the born in the USA l. mood hit me at the right time and it was just such a huge record. So breath Hello and welcome to a new episode of set. Liceu Bruce Your podcasts. All about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly as fans. I am your host Jesse Jackson and today is The first episode of about five or six episodes and row that I am calling rock in the suburbs week. I listen to a lot of podcast and I love the art form. That's one of the reasons why I Do a podcast is because I enjoy doing. It's a lot of fun and You know it's it's neat I also tried to do my best to promote podcast that I enjoy and that I mean a lot to that means a lot to me and that are similar genres and One of the podcast that I feel I have a very Loving and respectful relationship with is Jim in Patrick's rock in the suburbs This has been going on strong for multiple years. There they have done over. Eight hundred episodes They do a weekly. They do a daily episode. Monday through Friday driven. Patrick cover everything in The world of music They did a another podcast. When I I had no got to call Dad rock which was part of the USA network. And Jim and Patrick have been kind enough to let me The guest on the show and to let me guest host the show when they're on vacation for the past two summers each time I was able to do at least one episode sometimes multiple suits in fact one week. We did Like I did like three or four episodes so I just love Jimmy Patrick and they are coming up Very quickly and they are in The Virginia Area Maryland They are having on Wednesday march fourth. They're having a live event near Vienna Virginia at a place called Jamming Java. They're doing a live Podcast recording so in honor of that. I thought I would re release re-release episodes where Jim Patrick Intern. San and Buzek Tuesday music with Mary Guests. That have been on the show over the past four or five years with me. So you're going to get you will get a new episode and that was yesterday holly but for the rest of the week. You'RE GONNA get a re a reissue of an episode. But I will do a new introduction on each of them so to start out the rock in the suburbs week The very first episode way back episode thirty four is when this came out Jim Lenihan joined me on the PODCAST. So here we go and let me know what you think thanks. Hello everyone and welcome to A. Never episode of set. Lusting Bruce. Your podcast all about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly his fans I'm your host Jesse Jackson and I have fellow podcasters. Who's on a national scale. Not some little rookie guy like me. I have from Dad rock from USA Today. Half of the duo Jim. How'RE YOU DOING JIM? I'm doing great. How are You Jessie? I am great. I I wanNA tell you how much I really enjoy the podcast. And it's a lot of fun and I felt very very good because I have attended. I have been on several eighties. Podcasts and I have always made the argument that when Michael Jackson's record company put out thriller. They were hoping it would do as well as off the wall. Yeah well that could be. You know so. You're referencing course. We just did an episode about off. You did which was really really fun to do and You know it's funny because I think Michael in his mind. He felt that off the wall. Ever read this that he fell off the wall underperformed at the time even though it sold eight million copies or something like that right. I talked about that and I was shocked because I I remember off the wall being huge. And you guys shared that he had four top ten hits you know sold tons of records and it really did seem to say. Oh this. Isn't that kid from Jackson's five. This isn't the kids singing you know to the rat. This is a mature dynamic Musician and I just evolved and I always pictured that the record companies going okay. Are we going to have a sophomore slump of came out of the gate strong with off the wall and then of course thriller which went to a whole different levels? It's interesting because I'm not sure I don't know what the record company was thinking. You know. Obviously they had been thrilled with. What off the wall. Did in effect if you watch this. This documentary that Just came out about off the wall that Spike Lee directed the interesting thing. And I just blew my mind. Is that the Jackson Five. They left motown and became the Jacksons and signed with the CBS epic records and In that was in the mid seventy s something or around that time and there was a lot of trepidation on. Cbs records part on. Whether they should sign Jackson's there was a feeling there was a lot of people who felt that they were already like past their prime that you know that that the Jackson five was all played out and that it was a big risk. And that's just crazy to think about today that anybody would think signing a group with Michael Jackson would would at one point would have been a risk but Yeah at this rosy. How DIFFERENT The Times? Because they're like. Oh they're the Osmond's right and so this is not going to have the Osmond's I had a crush on. Murray and I thought Donny was the coolest thing in the world so I'm not throwing it out there. But they had shined. They were teeny idols. And then they moved on and Who would have thought that Michael Jackson Looking back? It's obvious what he was. GonNa do Great episode if listeners. If you have not heard it it is just really well Patrick and Jim go through each song and kind of discuss it and talk about which ones they like which ones. They didn't care as much in the whole. Not only the music but the era that this came out. Yeah that's me was the most fascinating thing and sort of revisiting. It was just that that album and if you have listed in a while it holds up and it's so fresh but I'll captures Michael Jackson at a unique point. I mean you know as you as you described you know. He was an adult. He was twenty years old when we recorded it and he was trying to shake free that whole kid perform her image in persona but yet he it was still before thriller that made him the King. The King of Pop icon that we all know after that right so it's like this really unique album and it's not trying to do like big important topics. There's no man in the mirror kind of song on that album either. It's just a fun record. Which is another thing that you kind of forget that you know how how much you know. Michael Jackson one point was really. Just you know was was truly just kind of like hungry popstar just wanting to have a good time and make fun records so it was really cool. Yeah it was a lot of fun. It was great. It was really great. And that's one of the things I love about doing. The weekly podcast is is that you know. Sometimes we talk about topics that you know. I feel like I a no pretty well already discount to brush up on but other times like that case. I hadn't listened to off the wall. You know actually. I think I said this. I'm not sure I've ever actually listened to it front back before this recording a podcast go back and sort of do my own kind of like Rediscovery of something is really just A. It's just a blast to see you know to me. That's one of the great things about music in separates it from other art forms. Is that that you can go back and rediscovered things or discover things that were older that you know you didn't that you kind of miss the first time and I think that's harder to do with say movies or TV because they seem to be of such an era and kind of stuck in that era right. We've seen it once and you don't you know you're not you may watch it again and get something new out of it but you never get that to me like you can hear music sort of again for the first time if that makes any sense and so yeah totally does I WanNa get to your history and your kind of musical journey and background but I think you make a great point I Graduate High School. Nineteen seventy seven. So I am really an old man and I was a child of top. Forty Am radio only the only the guys that did drugs listen to FM radio back when you know in my small town. I I've told the story before bit. You know I. I would tell my friends but you don't know the songs that they're playing on the FM station. You can't sing along and that's the point Jesse like I don't want any of them. Went through a little phase where I never dressed up but I loved kiss and Just all the forty records and when I graduated High School I stumble across beach. Boys endless summer eight track and I never heard the beach. Boys really didn't know anything about it. Just picked it up because it looked interesting and was blown away by Brian. Wilson's harmonies and the boys and and a lot of music. Even though you know the certainly didn't have anything from pet sounds on it but just the things and I was just my little. Am Radio Guy was blown away and that in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven. It felt like I was back in sixty three or sixty four just falling in love. Kinda music. So that's exactly your point where it can be new to you and you could be blown away. Oh totally that happens. All still happens to me today. You know that's I love that. I love the sort of the journey of sometimes which is sort of moving forward or staying current but also the sort of backward journey where you discover something and then kind of work your way back from there whether it's an artist older catalog or artists that influenced that artist or whatever you know that kind of working backward ethics a lot of fun absolutely. Oh Yeah and my last point and then we're GONNA I promise we're GONNA END UP TALKING ABOUT BRUCE. Yeah but In a lot of ways I think it's really sad. How Strange Michael? Guy To before he died because I think it takes a little bit of the shine off his reputation or his legacy and and I'm not talking the alleged criminal behavior. Anything just how weird he got. I agree I agree and again. That's why another kind of want to call it a revelation. I guess I kind of knew this already. But sort of Reinforcing fact. I guess is is that is sort of with off the wall and thriller to some to a large extent to you had the sort of the. The Michael Jackson was as close to being kind of a regular guy. Right is you'RE GONNA FIND. I think certainly with all the wall that's the case and again going to that documentary where they had interviews with him and he's you know twenty twenty one years old and Just really like kind of humble and excited to just be on TV or speak to somebody you know being interviewed and he he really enjoyed talking about going to studio fifty four and having fun and what he was doing and and it's like what you know owned by that point. He was already celebrity. Obviously yes he his. He had grown up under the the media and the concerts. That's like it is. I think that's fascinating and I'm looking forward by the way I had not heard about the documentary till I listened to the podcast and I went. Oh let me pull up by APP and I did while I was listening to the podcast. A I at the red light. I stopped pulled up founded on showtime in recorded it using my phone APP Because I really looking forward to hearing it so. Jim talked to me. A where did you grow up What kind of music was playing in that your house when you were a kid and as you hit teenage and when did you graduate from high school so I grew up until Ohio Lived there until I went away to college. So the first eighteen years of my life My parents still live there I Graduated High School in eighty five so I grew up. Essentially weren't Well the music that was playing in my house that I can remember from like being a little kid and so on and then I might you know. My parents weren't really into music so They they were just old enough to kind of have missed rock to a large extent. I mean they were. They were young in the fifties but they missed the whole like Beatles. Bob Dylan all that stuff. They they were just a little bit too old. And you gotta remember that I was thinking about this too because it's so different from my own experience but back then in the early sixties. Let's say when you like reach your twenties or certainly by like your mid twenties. You're expected to be an adult yet. And and music was essentially marketed toward like teenagers or kids. And so I always think back like you. That old when the Beatles wanted Sullivan but I don't realize like in a way they were you know. It wasn't really aimed at them wasn't culturally especially in the Midwest. I think you know something you were supposed to be interested in. But anyway so to the extent that they listen to any popular music I would say was probably it was some oldies. Like by all these like fifties. But not even but mostly kind of like Frankie Valli and the four seasons or you know like Another example like Dion in the Belmont. Or you know doo-wop and stuff like that Not really like the Sun Studios Elvis Jerry Lee Lewis any of that kind of stuff right so it was fairly tame mild kind of music. The idea it's funny you mentioned Am radio because in the seventies mime I did get a I did hear a lot of a m you know. Kind of classic solid gold kind of radio hits Because my mom had a drove a car that only had an am radio in it like it had like one speaker you know and just an am radio and so in in back then when you were kidding being carted around on errands and all this kind of stuff There was nothing else to do. Like you didn't like unless you brought some comic books book or something like that you you know. There were no devices none of that kind of stuff so I just remember now. It's so funny because every time I hear those like. Am radio kind of songs. Whatever I feel like Oh my God I know like every lyric annoying free word. You know. It's so funny. How that stuff is just too ingrained in me and then The other thing too is my dad listened he did. We had an old console record player in a big piece of furniture. Absolutely you know. Tv into include didn't just the it was just like console record player is big and wide and basically it has slop like a sliding sort of top that you looked across the top of it so you would slide the door on the left side and then you look down into it and that was the turntable and if you slid the other side of it opened. That was where you put your albums. They would store inside there and they didn't have a whole lot about my. Dad was a big fan of Neil diamond and Barry manilow those whereas and so to the extent that anybody ever listened to records in the house which really wasn't very often you know for them that was that was what they would play so it was a lot of the stuff I heard was very you know it was not exactly like the most exciting music. That right So my parents were and I'm borrowing the joke from Bruce Blues Brothers. We listened to both kinds of music country and western and My mom did love Fats Domino and Bobby Darin and the southern kind of early rock. I do remember my dad wanting to go to the record store. I remember him saying. I want to hear someone saying peace in the valley besides GD Elvis Presley. 'cause we had you know an Elvis Gospel album or something and my father never was a fan of Elvis. He later grew up to love. Willie Nelson and a lot of the outlaw country and My mom has continued Ike. Mom's still alive and just like about three years ago. Bought something where you can take your albums and put them on CDs and she just loves doing that and she still has all these albums of these old fats. Domino and Bobby Darrin different albums that she says all right. When I'm dead you guys can sell them and I said I don't know mom I may want to keep them. So you kind of had this kind of normal you know you're listening to the radio inside when school. What was your band of choice? Well did you like listening to so. That's interesting because I think so. Yes so all that music that kind of music. It was pretty much exactly like if you were to say like somebody who had a stereotypical mid west suburban upbringing like that was. That's it like you know you couldn't write that better and then And so when it came to my own when I started getting into music it was pretty much top forty pretty much well certainly in like junior high and through like say the first or second year of high school was pretty much all top forty in the reason for that being that was pretty much all I had access to because I didn't have any older siblings. I always hear the stories about people who have like an older brother sister and you know they go off to college so I'm like that. Come back with all these awesome records and disclose your mind. I didn't have anything like that. I had You know that this was back obviously obviously long before the Internet in Toledo Ohio. We didn't have any like you know there were no like underground. Radio stations are Kotler College radio. Nothing like that you know there was there was there was no way to listen to anything else so. I live with a top forty radio or FM radio like you talked about and that was pretty much it and so the first the first band. So I can remember when I was young. Say like late. Elementary School Middle School in this would have been like the late Seventies. It was kind of know it was a time when kids were getting into the kids. I was running around with. We're getting into kiss. Yes and another hand that I don't know why we were so into them. At the time was sticks. Sheriff come sail away sort of the grand delusion noise. Yeah Wait Yeah. The grand illusion. I can't remember the name of the theater. Was the one after right in front anyway. So it was kind of like small steps very small steps into like hard rock but not really wanting to take it on all the way and then then and then just tons of top for you need anything it was in the top forty was pretty much like. I was fine with and then so Jim. I heard I've heard any. I can't remember that you are Patrick but I bought most of my music from music. Land you know in the Mall Right. There was a smaller obscure record. Store called bookworm apple and he would I think he also Sold Paraphernalia for other kinds of recreation But he and he was also the first he bought comic books and he was He started carrying comic books in his record store because it saved him having to go drive the hour to Orange Texas to pick up his book so needed this and so he had a little more eclectic albums. And if you got to be friends with them and and I mean chester looked like the Comic Book Guy On the Simpsons I mean he was always in sweatpants. He was on his hair and bony tail and he would ever wants all go. Hey you should try this you know. Did you have something like that in Toledo Ohio? So no not really the record. Stores who went to there was one in the mall called camelot music which was like a chain right. I remember that and then there was the the main record store win. Two in town was another Shane. I don't know where else it wasn't a besides the Midwest but it was a big store called peaches records and tapes and it was like it was it was like a it was a kind of place that was in like a you know like a small like. Strip shopping center but it was like a really big store like You you walk. Gain in it was just big and open had like high ceiling and You know kind of like a warehouse kind of store can thing and just like tons and tons of record bins and really wide open spaces. I would go there. Probably most of the time and then We did have one. Soak Kinda SORTA like what you're saying. We did have one like small little independent place. Call boogie records But I didn't go there very often and Probably just because you know I was like I said I was pretty much just listened to mainstream stuff so like there was no reason to go to any place but sort of like the big store that seemed exciting and I do think it's interesting. I hear so many stories as I do. This podcast of and it truly is the scene in almost famous. You know where the the older sister goes away. And he opens up. And there's all these albums so you hear all these stories and I was the oldest so you know I kind of did that more than I didn't have that influence either I know so But it's funny too because I have a younger sister three years younger but yet she seemed never have any interest in the music. I was listening to as I got older as I got older and got into more adventure stuff. She never had any interest in any way. So I never even got the past up down but anyway But anyway well one more thing about high school though. 'cause this was sort of the key the sort of the beginning of when. I started to move into better know what I consider to be better. Music was when we got em TV so we got we got. Mtv In like A. I think it was like a year. After the channel launched and I kind of vaguely remembered I heard about it from reading rolling stone so I knew it existed but I'd never seen it before and we got MTV and that was just huge because they play different stuff you know. They had like they had stuff. That was a little bit weirder the British bands. And some you know American bands you never heard of because they never get played on the radio in in an MTV's deliveries MTV was doing because there just weren't that many videos so they were just playing whatever they could get their hands on. It wasn't like some conscious decision. They would've played you know nothing but big bands. If the big name they could but But to me that was so great because Oh suddenly like this just opened up a whole new world right. I see squeeze for example or you know the stray cats even or something like that. You know. It's just like wow this is this is really interesting stuff so I knew that that was sort of. Even though I still wasn't at a point where I was you know consider myself really quote Unquote Alternative. I do feel like the seeds were being sown right and then when I went to college in eighty five eighty five. That's when it all just changed former. Where'd you go to school? So I went to Indiana University. Which is you know a big Campus School and And as soon as I got there one of the first that fall eighty five one of the first bands to play on campus. Rem and gotta remember this was like the pre you know the the pre- like you know successful rem this. When they were still there is still sort of a college indie band. I mean they were doing relatively well but it was before that the one I love and all that stuff sort of broken so And I was just like hey. I'm in college now. I should do what college kids do. So I went to that show and that was just like how this is really cool and that really changed From that moment on I was sort of in that in the influence of the other guys you know in my dorm in all that kind of stuff is sort of like just opened me up to a whole new world of music and then from from then on I think I just wanted to discontinue to explore and discover so. It's been great. What did what'd you get your degree in journalism journalism? Okay had you known you've always wanted to be a writer. No no why journalism. Well you know it's a dumb story really up I actually. I actually thought when I was in high school that I wanted to go into broadcast journalism. Okay but even then the only real reason was just like hey they get to be on TV like that seems like a cool job you're on TV And it seemed like you something that you could do to be on. Tv as opposed to like being an actor or something like that right. That seemed impossible so that was really it but then once I got to college I started writing for the school newspaper Just as a way to learn how to write and get that and learn how to report and get all that experience and so that once. I started doing that. I discovered I really enjoyed that. And I enjoyed the writing part of the business and so You know the working with words. Which is you still do and broadcast. But it's yeah so that was it I was. I was hoped alright. So thirty minutes into our podcast. Sorry no no. I know that. I'm blaming myself. Not You know we've been doing our podcast for years. You're getting like a used. This is amazing because I have a lot of questions about the actual that will get to about. Whose idea was it. Do A podcast. And how did you guys get together but For those who are going. Hey Jesse this settlers they bruce. When did you first discover Bruce? Okay so in high school so again. Going back to the sort of top forty thing. Yeah when I was in high school is win or in the USA came right. And I'm sure people know this. I believe there were seven singles off that album. I believe so quickly so So when somebody who would actually week in week out actually listened to American top forty. You know that album was just huge. I mean you couldn't you couldn't escape it you know you would want to but you couldn't anyway was was enormous. It was a big album ahead. A lot of singles. It was huge hits. It was radio friendly all that and that was really my discovery. Bruce not to say a hadn't heard him before because you know with. Fm Radio played. You know born to run and then hungry heart and thunder road and stuff like that slider heard those songs. But I wouldn't say that connected really connected with reuss until the born in the USA l. mood hit me at the right time and and it was just such a huge record so by the way In my little small Town Lake Charles Louisiana Specifically Moss Bluff Louisiana. The suburb of Lake Charles Casey Kasem Stop Forty was just mandatory listening and Siriusxm on the seventies channel will replay them and they still hold up my wife and I will go and just like God. This is so good. I wish the other channels would do this. They just seventies is the only one that seems to play them because I would love to hear how he covered explosion that Bruce was right I remember Peter Carlin's No I think it was Dave Marsh's book but they talked about how after Nebraska. The record company was like okay. We've Kinda let you had your fun right now. We need album and when they got born in the USA they were just ecstatic and they predicted that there's multiple top ten hits and it'll sell and I think the only thing it never did was it wasn't a number one album because something else was on right above it. I don't remember specific and it would be a better story if I remember the specifics. But then it wouldn't be set less than Bruce So yes it was everywhere so you kind of start discovering. When did you see Bruce? Live the first time? Okay so the first show. I went to actually Was May Thirteenth Nineteen eighty-eight. I've done some research for your show here. Look this stuff up. Nineteen eighty eight. The tunnel of love tour was the first time I saw him and I was in college them. And so so. I had the born in the USA album. I remember getting the tunnel of love album and Around that same time I bought or somewhere in between there are probably I bought Born to run so at those are probably the three main ones I had for a while. college friends. And I we went to see Bruce in Indianapolis at Market Square arena. And so two things I couple of things I remember about this show. The one is that we actually had to camp out overnight to get tickets. Remember when you had to do that I do? I never did but I remember doing that. I mean I. I've had friends. I A good friend of mine. Who passed away a few years ago did it for many times like to see the. Who or to something. He was his his then girlfriend. And now ex wife Was going to Lsu. He was going to rice and he would drive to baton rouge to stay overnight for they could see a show and you know buy tickets but yes so you had to camp out to get your ticket out so some friends and I. We camped out that was back when I believe it was ticked. Still ticketmaster back. Then but the way it worked was like you could buy a different ticketmaster outlets Rabbi at the venue itself bright and So we camped out in Bloomington And camp out overnight and then we're there to get the tickets when it when they went on sale the next morning and bought our tickets for the show in Indianapolis and then the other thing the other great memory. I have to be honest with you though. This show is happened so long ago that I don't remember that much from the show but one thing that really stands out to me was we got. We drove up to Indianapolis. It's like an hour drive. We got there really early. We I believe we had seats. I don't think we were like. I don't think there was any if there was Jay. We don't think we had it but anyway but we still got the really early and for whatever reason. I don't know why this happened. They they opened the door and they let us in while while Bruce was still doing his soundcheck fun I know and so we go in. I don't know how many people they live in. It wasn't didn't seem like a whole lot but He kind of played to the crowd a little bit and He probably did like three or four songs. And I don't remember what they were except that I remember he did Roy Orbison crying. That was really cool. And that's still stands out to me all these years later in the other thing. I remember from that. Show the the main thing I remember from that show with. That was the tour where he did born to run. Acoustic. He was he was like. I don't know what the deal was. He was like tired of playing it or something and so he did it as an acoustic version and That was kind of a big letdown. You know we were sort of like you know we wanted to see it you know. It was our first time. We wanted to hear you know full on but anyway that so that was it. Jim I make this point a lot on the show that just like every comic book. Someone's first comic book. Every Bruce Show is someone's first Bruce Show and so they want to hear badlands and chant. They want to hear you know born to run. I have never heard him to born to run acoustic. But that is one of my favorite versions Because I think it kind of changes the tone of the song but I totally I've talked about this. My first seven shows. I had never seen him. Do Thunder Road disallow worked out seen seven different shows. He's never done thunder road and then I ended up seeing three shows in two thousand fourteen. I I saw the free show. He did in Dallas for the basketball tournament. I drove to Nashville and saw him. And then you just. You've never seen thunder road now. You'RE GONNA over complain that it's three shows in a row so let's great. How many times have you seen him? Six Okay but there's a huge gap. There was that show in eighty eight. Yes and then. I didn't see him again until two thousand nine okay Now part of that was of course because he wasn't he didn't do much with the band for what ten or more years right. You didn't see him on the rising tour. No or the reunion tour. That's correct and I believe that was because I think I you know at that point in time that was when I lived in Louisville Kentucky Can. I don't know that he he came there on those tours and I you know I was a that was a point in my life where maybe not the reunion tour but definitely the rising tour. I had like a young family and I wasn't going to travel out of town to see a show so yeah I just didn't work out. Grew up as I said in Louisiana we move to Dallas Texas in eighty six. My son was born in eighty nine. And you know you're raising your kid. You're working. You're trying to make sure you pay your bills on time you do things And so the couple times. Bruce came to Dallas. It would always work out. We either had no money or there was a conflict with a family thing and so I didn't see him till two thousand two with the rising tour And there was a great tour but I would've loved the scene the reunion But you know. Uh Dad's right you have to put the family first. That's right you go through a period. At least I did think it was true for a lot of people where you just don't go a lot of shows anymore you probably don't get to buy as many records as you would like. Yeah that's the way it is it is. Yeah you're you know you're being a dad and you know you're listening to Raffi or Barney or whatever the I you need to share this with Patrick. Growing up my son born in eighty nine. We got to be very good friends with Sara Hickman who is a singer songwriter and she opened for brave. Combo which got us into brave Combo. The nuclear poker band and so we've seen brave Combo multiple times and my son at five or six would say dad. It's always a good time to Polka Patrick on the show I will. I do want to have them. I wanted that'd be great strengthening fanatic. Okay and this show two thousand nine in Washington. Dc At the Verizon Center I I went with a friend of mine and we won we. We had general mission tickets and we won the lottery right where you get to go into the pit right so this is the first time like I said to me really Having not seen Bruce in where we're at that point twenty years To get that close it was just. It was just amazing it. That show just blew me away to the point where and I always say this to people on like. You can love springsteen on record but but he's alive performer. I and when you see them live. It really changes how even listen to the records. It's just you have such a new appreciation of the music and that was really the case from this time. Because this time I was I was just blown away by just how great that show was and you know. Here's a guy at that point. He's like fifty nine sixty years old and you know just tons of energy which he's still has now and And it was it was just tremendous. I have the set list here. He did You know twenty six songs. Which maybe you know. Kind of a short set list for him but but he also did so. There are two things about the extra three things about this show that were really memorable was. It was the first show after the death of his road. Manager Lennie Sullivan whose cousin INC member that. Yes so that so. He died in Kansas City and they got cancelled. Kansas City show right. This was in our show was November. Second of two thousand nine and so it was the first one after that. And he bruce came out and he said a few words about Lenny and then he said and this was his. I don't know if he said this was his favorite song or this favorites on the new album. It might have been bat But he but that's the way he set up the opening song and it was outlaw. Pete Okay. He played that song and I know that's a song that maybe you know. A lot of people don't think much of or not one of their favorites or whatever but he was so emotional that night and hear that song. It's so funny. Because to hear that song performed in under those circumstances in opening the show like that and just the kind of quiet intensity of the way the song builds every time I hear down the record the studio version I think of that show and in that song means a lot to me. Now do you know what I mean? That's that's really interesting I was never a fan of the song particularly though I think if I had that experience it would have meant the same to me but when I bought the picture book and read it it I went. Wow this is a lot better story than I'm giving it credit news which is sad but yes so. I can't imagine that was pretty powerful moment. It was it was great. It was great so there was that there was another well. There was also the first time I saw him do Crowd Surfing during hungry heart. Which I know he does like all the time now but that. That was a huge moment. 'cause I didn't know that was coming and being in the pit you know and he goes like by your head. It's like wow like here's a guy again. Here's a guy who's a mega superstar sixty years old and he's willing to do that. Put himself in that situation. That's just amazing to me. They all they also did. Born to run Front back the album when to run front to back so those all those songs and then in. Here's a funny thing. Is I kind of like that? But I kind of didn't because our the thing part of the thrill of going to concert is the spontaneity and sort of like the the not knowing what the next it's going to be and when they did that as much as I really enjoyed single songs hearing something like meeting across the river which you know never really it's played live There was sort of a. It did lose a little something in that kind of knowing. What the next song was going to be. But it's a minor. I understand what you're saying though totally then the other thing from this show that I just loved because again you know I hadn't I hadn't seen him and Didn't really know entirely what to expect. He did three songs that night where he did the requests where he has the you know the sign a audience members signed gets passed up and he puts it up and basically tells the band concern. This is what we're GONNA play. He did he did three of those just back to back to back and they were stand on it growing up and pink Cadillac. Yeah and that was just so much fun because not only because those were just kind of you know a little bit more obscure songs or a little bit more like Kinda rarities in a set list but also that feeling of connection with the audience that like. He's doing that because somebody wants to hear it just elevated it right in. It was just a great experience so and then again to see somebody at that level of stardom and at that point. His career even acknowledged the audience that way. Most you know rockstars when they get to certain level. They don't do that. Interact with people anymore. You know my wife and is not a big fan in when we went to yes. She was not impressed with the rising. She says he didn't play anything. I know He did Cadillac ranch and she was happy about that because she likes that song and So in two thousand twelve We decided in. I'm speed ahead regulators. This is a story I've told many times but We wanted to do a fan. We wanted to vacation just the two of us We had been married You know well. This year will be thirty one years. We've been too so you know we're getting close to thirty years. We had not gone on a vacation just her and I in years we'd either with another couple or taking the boy and so we're deciding what to do and she was talking about renting a cabin and so I got her home. I said I got a plan. She goes okay. What's the plan? I said Bruce's not coming anywhere close to Dallas. But he is coming to Cleveland. She goes so I said well. My Dad had died in twenty eleven and was buried at a veteran's cemetery outside of Fort Knox Kentucky. I said we can go to Kentucky. Do the Bourbon tour. That you've been wanting to do. We could see my dad's grave site. We have friends in Columbus Ohio. We HAVE FRIENDS IN CLEVELAND. We can see them. We can see Bruce then we can go the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Comeback finished the Bourbon tour and then come home and she goes well. That sounds like a fun week. I said Yeah and so I started walking because I am a man of size. That doesn't like exercising so I started exercising a little bit so that I'd be not winded when we did the tours and she started listening to springsteen and so when we went to Cleveland at the end of the three hour show were walking to the parking lot and she said well he didn't change my life but he changed my concert going life. I don't know if I'll ever be happy going to some other show. Wow because those old men and she goes like Max because I got a little crush on Max you know. They didn't stop. They just had so much energy. And you're connected So I'm flying to Louisville Sunday to see my second show on this tour and she is bitter. I mean she bought it for me. She was my Christmas present. She bought the ticket. She bought the airline ticket. Didn't tell me but she says this is how much I love you. You're going to Bourbon country to see Bruce without me so I I. I'm curious you've just talked about seeing born to run in straight in a row. So did you have concerns about going and seeing the river Kind of although not the same way and oh there's one more thing to show is that also was the last time I got. See Clarence Clements. So that debt should be noted too and he really didn't you could tell that he was not in. You didn't have the same energy levels the other guys and you could tell us some help getting on and off the stage and so on but anyway it was great to have gone to that show and been able to see that bright. Okay yes so the river so so the river tour. I just saw that show in D. C. on January twenty ninth by the way. Let's go back to the archive. They had three or four staff members of USA. Today all went and then they did this. Grab Babb Jam Session. Podcast of talking about the show. It was so much fun it it you felt you could hear the joy you can hear just everyone talking about it is it was like being near again so I I promise to quit sucking up but it I just won't share. It was it truly was. We're not talking about this because we have to. We're talking to us because someone's making us. We're talking to us because we want to. We have to get this out. We got so much to share so anyway. That's great. Yes thank you for that. It was really fun and so So that show was my sixth springsteen show I went to three shows. On the wrecking ball tour and then and it was funny because I was looking today. Those were all in twenty twelve. I couldn't believe it'd been. It's been three to four years since I've seen him before so anyway so before I forget. Did you prefer the eastern ban on steroids the East St Orchestra that they had? For the wrecking ball tour with the background singers and all the different horns or did you like this. Lean mean e street band that they've got on this tour. That's a good question. That's a really good question. I don't know if that I have a good answer because I I really. I liked the big band just because I love that springsteen sort of loves that wall of sound and into have that sort of blast at you and have that there are certain songs were that horn section to sound so good in the backup singers. Sound so good at that. I did always enjoy that but I gotta tell you having seen this one with Chas what night. It's like nine pieces spruce. I think it I didn't lose anything. I don't think it lost thing to me. It's still had the same big sound in same energy so I don't know it's hard for me to say I guess I. I guess I'd say I'd still prefer to see the full on. You know the the bigger on but but I are. Maybe just very slightly. I. I'm right there with you. I love that Eastern Orchestra. A couple of my people been on the show called at St on steroids but I loved the horns and when they're doing shackleton drawn and and some of these you know no surrender and there. There's just all the background singers. And especially when they're doing the audibles when they're doing the sign request then. It's a lot of fun but I went to Pittsburgh And I was. I was excited because it was the first time I'd ever been at the opening of tour and I was amazed how big they sounded. You know I agree with you Jim. There was not A. Oh it's it's a slimmed-down less complex. No they sounded big. They sounded tight and my personal opinion. Is that they with exception of Jake and I guess a little bit susie. Susie has been on the ban forever. But especially the core members of the e street band are going. We only have a few more times left to do this right. And I'm not saying any of them think they're going to pass in the next year but when you look at the road of head you in the road behind you there is less highway in front of you even if you only even if you live another twenty years and I think they know this is precious and we may not get to do this that much longer. And we're gonNA Savor every moment. Oh I agree but this opening you say that because I I felt that the last couple of tours to always felt like the brute like I feel like Bruce wants to be on tour. He wants to play live. He wants to do it as much as he can while he still can right while they while he's still not him necessarily personally but just you know has the band right in when members are dying is as happened with two of them right. It's you know it becomes really apparent that that you know that time is precious and you got to keep moving right and so yeah. I I totally agree with you. Know One thing that you mentioned jake and I will say this that the smaller band smaller in quotes right. I felt the Jake really shined right. Get the guys in front of Pittsburgh. I went to like the Fridays. That's right next to the arena. And so there's a lot of alcohol and a lot of food and noise and and a couple people who've had their share of tasty beverages said. The river is a big saxophone album. And Jake Bear put on his big boy pants and bring it and I think he did. Oh totally I think and I I feel like he has really come into his own and I believe the band accepts him and and this is. He is part of the ban now. Oh totally. I totally agree. I mean certainly everybody loved the big man but yeah I think I think that the replacement is like as good as you can get for the circumstances in the fans. Every time Jake plays they go nuts. They they do so it's like they know that it's not that they it's no way. Does anybody think that I think the fans everybody to person would say they were. Were still around. Who Wish we're still alive so playing but it's like if there's something about maybe you know this this tie in the spirit of clearance that comes through right so everybody loves that you asked about the river. Be playing the river all the way through. I enjoyed that. I think more than the born to run because Born to run is eight songs and you just know that record so well having listed so much at least for me that again it was cool to see I guess. In retrospect it was used cluelessly. Zuma's experienced but With the river is a little bit different. 'cause it's twenty songs and with that many songs you know as many times as I've listened to that album now you know. I don't know that if you had me sit down like right those out in what order that I could do it so so it's still felt like I didn't know it quite as well and so there were like. Oh yeah that's the next thing. You know what I mean so it was. It was fine. I changed that and the other thing too is because because there's so many songs you know I felt like I was seeing some stuff that maybe doesn't make it into set lists a lot of the time. I agree with both those reasons and the third reason I would add. I think it's very interesting that this artist at sixty six is revisiting. This album that he did when he was in his thirties. Like Independence Day is a song that I've never had this emotional connection to just you know I. It's a good song but okay but to hear him talk about his father You know as a child the young man. You only see how the compromise your parent has made. And you're not GonNa do that and you can almost tell the implication at least to me is Bruce's saying now than I'm seeing it from my dad's perspective and I've seen the compromises I've had to make it. It gives you a different kind of feeling when he talks about I WANNA marry you. That's a young man song. It it adds some depth to this album that I don't know if album. He did from back straight through would give the same thing. I love tunnel love. But there's a couple of songs on tunnel. Love could care less about right but I would like to see that because the rarities but this river I think works almost perfect for them to tell tell yes. I would agree. Well the other thing I thought was just great about it. The thing I love about the river and you were asking me. When did I get into springsteen all that if I had a gap in his in his discography for a long time? It was to be honest with you. It was darkness on the edge of town and the river like those two albums fell in that gap between born to run which is an album. You couldn't ignore right and born in the USA. I Know Nebraska is in there too but Rescued that's kind of different but But born in the USA which you couldn't ignore and because of the age. I wasn't because the age I was when darkness and the river came out. The it wasn't something I really was going to connect with and so it wasn't until it's Kinda like we're talking about earlier. How some you know you kind of go backwards. It wasn't until later like post tunnel of love where in then when Bruce was probably in those like but I call the wilderness years started to go back and like discover some of the earlier stuff and so now those are probably my two favorite albums. I love those two albums and so in one of the things I love about. The river is just. How has these two totally different moods to it? It's it's a very somber serious record with like really way songs in like song like the river is being the song punches gut man. It's such a powerful song and then these like other songs. That are just totally like party. You know it's Erling just thing My Favorite River story is I was in Nashville. He did the signs He did a rolling stone cover and He did an Elvis cover and then there was a sign that said. It's my nineteenth birthday. Would you play the river and we're all looking just because it mentions your birthday? That's a it's my birthday. Please play the river. Are you going to get to see him again on the store? I don't think so Now he's coming The second wave of shows they announced one was in Baltimore and I kinda SORTA flowed that out to my wife like. Hey because so you've mentioned your wife not being a big Fan. My wife is not a springsteen fan and she and I kept. She's never seen him play in. I keep trying to tyler if you just go to show if you just go. I swear you're going to think differently about him. You're just going to be different. You'RE GONNA have a new appreciation right. And she just never would never go and finally she was going to go to this show in January and then she ended up getting sick she had like some kind of stomach flu or something and she was really out and so she could go in so I kind of sort of flow daddy like well. You know he's coming to Baltimore and those tickets haven't gone on sale yet and we can do that and she was just like. We're not spending that kind of money again. That was that was the one shot so yeah so I don't think so. So here's what you need to do Jim last year two thousand fifteen. My wife trained to do an IRONMAN RACE. Or She Competed in Florida in November. Had A great swim had a great bike ride and nine miles into the marathon conked lost everything ended up having good amber. We had we rode together in the ambulance. She spent all night in the emergency room. The joke is well. If you're going to not finish an Ironman the next best thing is to go to the emergency room. Because you're so so the joke was every dollar I spend on ironman training you get to spend and dollar on springsteen tickets so I'm like don't you need a new mask don't you. Oh no you should buy the very best of the season. So so maybe that's what you can do. Try to find something that I think. I'm going to save and we try to get you in Patrick on both to talk about the actual podcast. Because I I'm fascinated. How you guys do that and it. It's clear you guys have a lot of fun doing it. Yeah so and I think we'll use that origin story for a follow up episode. If Americal happens you get a bonus that didn't expect or you know something magical happens and you go. You convince her to say. Hey that Jesse Jackson guys saying he's going to buy us tex-mex if we go to Dallas. Is there anything you wanted to hear that you? What's a wishlist of a few songs? You hope to hear him. It's so funny because I knew that you might ask this question. I was trying to. I was thinking like Gosh. I've been so lucky I've seen so many of the songs that I've wanted But then as I started to think about it more I was like no. I haven't there's so many more so You know one song. We mentioned darkness on the edge of town. I don't think I've ever. I don't think I've ever played that song. The song darkness on the edge of town live and I would love to hear that. I've never heard him play. Atlantic City live. And I would love to hear that. Isn't that a mass thing for it? Being from Nebraska it has become an e street band song. They are so good. I've heard it. I don't know if I heard it live. But I know you know I I've heard live recordings of and they are amazing doing right. That's the thing is I've I've I've heard the same kind of things I've heard live recordings of it. I've seen stuff on Youtube and so on and so like to me like I know I kind of know how it would sound live because I've heard that so many times but I wanted to experience that myself. You know the other funny thing. I just get off topic here but it's no no no please related. I don't know if you have the same experience but when you see him live especially more than once or when you listen to some of the recordings like their certain ways the songs are played lives. That are a little bit different from the records like now when I hear the studio versions in my mind. I'm filling in with those little parts especially born to run. There's this piano part that Roy bitten plays. That's not on the studio art but like I always hear it now. Every time I do this also it's anytime I hear hungry heart. I come on the little thing when they're singing the verse. I always do that little part in the middle and on Tenth Avenue freeze out and this is the important part. I say that every time much to the embarrassment sometimes of the drivers in the car next to me looking at eleven years out. I'm always shocked. By how short the like you know intro sort of vamp to the song is on the record because I'm expected to keep going right and But then the other thing I will I love you know. I've had some good success in seeing some obscurities and some tracks stuff and stuff like that but I would love to hear. I would love to hear where the bands are yes. I was really hoping because it's on this box. Set that it would get in the mix somehow such a great song. It is the longest awesome. I'd love to hear living on the edge of the world. I'd love to hear from small things. Big Things one day. Come and the one song I think would be really really cool to see live and I believe this was something he did on the reunion tour is if I should fall behind. I think that would really be amazing. Especially you know to do it. The version I've seen that one video where different members of the band saying On the verses. Because that's something you that you don't. He doesn't really do much of you. Don't really hear other voices in many of them can sing really well and that would be really cool to see but I have thought about that. Often wear little. Steven has a great voice. Neal's has a great voice. Patty has a great voice and Gary Talent is putting out a solo record due out in March that That I'm looking forward to hearing and you would think especially at his age you know. I'm going to let Little Steven. Sing lead so that I can go use the bathroom or I could. Just take a break. No things lead on everything. Hit is the. He's the boss and that's the way it is no. He doesn't even give his wife a turn not might so no he knows you know what that's one of the things. I totally respect about. Bruce is he knows people first of all. They're paying a lot of money in money to see him. He knows that you know he could if he wanted to say in. Here's like a song off Patty's latest album. She's GonNa Sing it for you folks. But he doesn't even do that because he he is so locked into putting on a show for that audience that he's never going to do something to to detract from that right now. I totally agree with you. Jim closed up. I've got just one or two more and thank you so much for spending time are their songs that have been personal anthems or have meant a great deal to you either gotten. You got some good times bad times. Obviously yes so. I have two quick answers to this one. Is that one of my favorite songs. It's definitely my top. Three of his is no surrender. And that's just because it's more just kind of like for the universal message of it right in. It's funny because in this last show I saw he. He played it any. Set it up by talking about there. Was somebody in the crowd who is like a disabled debt in a wheelchair. Or something like that. And he had pushed himself across the country's going seventy miles a day or something like that and and use no surrenders inspiration. And and and certainly you know. That's an amazing inspirational story. I don't have anything like that but even when I you know just kind of anything I do if I need a little. Pick me up or whatever I think no surrenders great song for that and then but the others before you go there. Have you seen the Flores brothers in Houston two thousand fourteen now? Okay make a note okay. It's go no surrender. Houston two thousand fourteen. It'll come up Spoilers a guy said I broke my brother out of class. You know to go and Bruce gets these two brothers onstage. And they stay for the whole song. They sing with him. They know every word and people that have seen it have shared with me. They agree with me is the definition of joy. Yeah yes I can check that out okay. It's great and that and that was that was on born in the USA and it was not a single. There's that's a funny thing as you look at that track listing. The songs weren't singles are all great songs to anyway He hears getting sort of like tying this in in a way to sort of the Dad rock thing is because I'm forty eight and two songs that kind of that. I've found that I really liked has gotten older in just because I don't know they just sort of like finally like I can sort of like get them and connect with them in a way is a. I don't know that either these necessarily like fan favorites. Or what have you but again? It just shows the depth of songwriting even songs that other people might. Kinda toss aside. I think are great. There's two of them. So one is from the tunnel of of album. The song one step up. I think one step up is one of those songs that I think is just so expertly written about being in like a st- being in a serious relationship right and just sort of like the ups and downs and how difficult it really could be and how much work it is and how things don't always go the way you want it to and anyway. I just I I think about that song on a fairly regular basis. Just gem you needed to be in Houston with my wife and I because it was a sign request. We wanted to hear one step up that the band had not played it since like eighty eight hundred over here and he he. They played it now. It was a very stripped down. You could tell the bands like what So but Y- Patti sang background and they end. It was absolutely beautiful. Yeah I just think yeah I can imagine it just tells a great story and yes and You know I don't think you know when I mentioned in eighty eight when tunnel of love album came out. There's no way at that point in my life. I was still in college that I could have understood what that song really you know. It's only when you get older and experienced these things you get it but the interesting thing is bruce. Feel always was writing songs that were wiser beyond his years at that. You and I agree with the critic that and I don't know who from rolling stone or someone said you know tunnel. The love is an album of marriage breaking Aria Kodaly and it is so if I had to go on record. That might be my favorite. It's that's interesting. It's really interesting because in opposite you know you. You've been married thirty plus years. I've Yeah I've been married. Twenty twenty two years in May and a lot of work. Yeah it is and it's funny thing is you know. Here's an album about a relationship falling apart but as somebody who wants to make a relationship work you can listen to it and sort of like understand what not to do you know? It's not to make right and I always go right to the line about Because everybody has these moments like when I look at myself. I don't see the man I want to be. So we're on the line. I went off track. You know it's just everybody. We're all flawed people. We all have moments like the point is to recognize it right anyways learning And then the next one. Which is my favorite song. Off of the albums he did with the other band But as sort of what I think is a nice sort of companion piece to one step. Up is better days because better. Yeah you are you and I are insane. You Finish your story. I'll just going to say because that to me that is sort of like the joy of kind of like figuring it out in some way and and and and understanding you know what it does take to be In a committed relationship with somebody and how great that can be right And again recognizing the mistakes debates with the flaws you may have but how you know the the the sense that like you know better days or head right. And in one of the things I've always always liked about springsteen just overall is his. There's so much hope in so many of his songs even the songs that are sad songs. There's there's a sense of like that things can get better right and this one just comes right out and says it but I think it does it so well and just sort of makes you feel that That there is a there is a great life ahead of you. If you you know can you have the means to take it right to I I got lucky enough to be the boss on Sirius. Xm Redder days. Was One of the songs I picked And I for my previous job. I had to fly to the Philippines. We Have A. We had a call center in Manila and they asked as visiting director. Would you do talk? Would you do a presentation? And they wanted to know your advice you could give and and I ended quoting better days and I said I know it's a love song but I want you to think of it a different way. I think Bruce's telling you that enjoy right now. Too many of us go well when the kids get older. Then we'll take time together when I get that pay raise then. I'm going to be happy when I get this success then. I'm going to be happy and I see you're to sit around waiting for your life to begin while it's all slipping away. I said you have to enjoy now. You have to enjoy the journey and I think that is a powerful message. I just believe in that. And that's what he's trying to tell us and I- I preach that all the time. So great empathic. Yeah Yeah so there you go okay. Very nice Jim Thank you so much. If people want to find you where can they well right now? I'm in my bedroom so don't find me there but but the tell Mrs Jim I said. Hey and that you guys should go to Baltica. Tonight's this workout but perfect. No my personal Twitter handle is Jay Leno hand that's J. L. E. N. A. H. A. N. And so you can find me on. Twitter there or for our podcast. It's at Dad rock show and it's at that its dad rock show on itunes and stitcher and all the other places that's right About a new episode of week ranks. So we do. We do one one new episode every Friday. Those generally about an hour long. They're on a variety of topics. We have done. We've actually done one show that was dedicated to springsteen that was when we did a show about the born to run out. But we met on that. We've we've mentioned him and played some of his stuff on various other shows but the each show is a different topic it can be. It can be an artist it can be a genre can be a year and sometimes we do interviews with musicians who are passing through DC. And we've done maybe about a dozen of those so we have new episodes about an hour long every Friday and then we do these other things called bonus tracks are shorter there anywhere from say ten to twenty five minutes maybe sometime we try to keep it to that once we go a little longer in house. Uc's with mihrab and then then there's a new thing. We just started called Tuesday's with Mary which is once a week on Tuesday. You have another staff member from USA Today. She's a social media editor and her. Name's Marion Hornak. And she's really into music and so we had her as on for a couple of regular shows and she was so good that we said once a week we talk to Mary so that so really when you add all that up. We're probably doing three shows a week. Now I especially enjoyed Your tributes to David Bowie and Glenn Fry and I we both did episodes of tributes to both of them and I believe it was either. You're Patrick one but Glenn fry hit me a little more personal than David Bowie. I think because of the eagles were the soundtrack of my high school either were fleetwood Mac or eagles and while I recognize both I was in eagles guy and that was a really tough one for me And and I really have enjoyed y'all's discussion I played the holiday won twice. I in I've really enjoyed y'all's different discussions of the holiday songs and that was it. I really liked a lot of what you guys were saying. In the stories you shared. It was Really well done and yes so i. I'm a fan and I appreciate you guys do great work and it's just very entertaining and informative. It's just what a podcast should bill. Thank you and I'm one of the things I like about your show which I think is similar to what we do is that you know what I think you'll get. This is that music really is about connections. It's not personal connections in experiences. In the way that like music can impact people in different ways but can also take you back to a certain time of your life a certain experience a certain memory. Whatever they're doing your life and we like those stories as much as anything we've actually. I don't know if you heard this. We built a whole episode for Father's Day around just people calling in and talking about songs that were important between them and their dads and I will have to dig that one up. 'cause that that funny story. They were the sports station. I listen to here in Dallas on the ticket Had around Father's Day a year or so ago the afternoon drive show did songs their dad would listen to and they talked about it and I turned off the radio picked up my phone and my dad was alive at the time and I said everyone on the show was from memory. These are the songs that my dad would talk about and so bad. I'm going to ask you. What would they be? And you know he said Willie Nelson and Hank Williams and Merle Haggard and we spent a ten or fifteen minute. Talk about that. And so Yeah I'll have to look that up and I'll bring plenty tissue. I'm sure there were moments that there's a couple of spots that will get you in there but there's some funny stuff too and charming things and you know that's what music's all about man it's just about it's about having a great experience. Yes Well Jim. Thank you so much I I hope you end up convincing your lovely bride really actually go to Baltimore listeners. If you want to be on the podcast and talk about Bruce and all that implies flea sent an email to set lessening brusett gmail.com. We do have a facebook and twitter. Account that set lessening Bruce. Check that out and I would really appreciate you going to Itunes to rate and review us. It's how people find us right. Jim Yes it is it is just I cannot tell you homeported as Because you know they're sitting there Bruce Springsteen podcast than I'm thirtieth But that's okay. Thank you Jim. This is great. I'm going to close US This won't be a surprise. Well my soul checked out missing as I said listening to the hours and minutes. Ticking away yeah just sitting around waiting for my life to begin. Well it was all just slipping away. I'm tired of waiting for tomorrow. Come or that train. Come roaring round the bend. I've got a new set of clothes. A pretty red rose and a woman. I can call my free accurate. Thanks everyone by. You just heard the fun talk hard rock music of album raking band thinking joy spreading lyric readings story sharing pine gap. That is the one. The settlers settling bruce is part of the southgate media podcast group. The theme for settlers. Bruce was written by David. Rosen used by permission.

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The Return of Intern Sam

Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast

32:29 min | 1 year ago

The Return of Intern Sam

"Hi I'm Calvin power is from the American music show. I spend a lot of time driving around in my car listening to CDs so I can hand pick the finest Americana just for you but when I need a bruce springsteen fix I listen to Jesse Jackson and the set bluffing Bruce Show <music> <music>. Hello everyone welcome to a new episode set listening Bruce Your podcast all about Bruce springsteen. His music and mostly is fans. I am your host Jesse Jackson up early on a Saturday early morning as we record this because my guest was kind enough to take time out of his busy schedule to join me welcome Sam Litzinger also known as Sam the term Good Morning Jesse. It's great to be on the show again. Yeah Sam was with us back in September of two thousand eighteen for those who don't know and will probably he's GonNa talk about this in a minute but Sam was a active member of rock in the suburb he that's where he got his he helped Jim and Patrick on their great pont gases and intern and he just recently spent a week on the show as one of the people doing springsteen week week. I gotTa tell you I I was mixed. Emotions one. I was jealous is heck but I couldn't have been on every episode to. I loved the discussions. Oh I'm so glad it it was I think <hes> for those you haven't heard go listen to it but they took <hes> in honor of Western stars coming out they took you know they went five <hes> releases in a row they starting with born underrun and then went of his five in a row in Indian born in the U._S._A.. and talking about the different changes the music and they made a strong argument that has there been a better five in a row from an artist and I think of course I'm biased but I think that was a pretty good argument. <hes> yeah yeah all right. It's it's really something yeah so for those of you. WHO Have I've not heard tell us your springs story absolutely so the last time I was on the show I just started by senior year in school and we had just rock in the suburbs at a one point in two thousand eighteen and Jesse was talking about springsteen albums of course and he was talking about the history of darkness on the edge of town which is Bruce's nineteen seventy eight album and I had never listened to darkness on the edge of town around that point and after having Jesse on the show I I was inspired to go to a record store start digging for springsteen albums and I came across the vinyl copy of darkness and it became an instant favorite and then I would later find out that it is an album that is record amongst the springsteen community and critics do consider it probably one of his best albums I agree? There's definitely a lot to analyze with the themes of the album and especially the history of Howitt of how it came to be so yeah that is that springsteen story and since then. I've just kept on listening that is awesome did <hes> did what was your normal and I can't remember if I ask you this last time. What was your normal? What would have been your go-to music? What would your what would you call your favorite bands or favorite genre? Uh Oh my gosh well. I'm a big Fan of soul music so anything MOTOWN <hes> I'm. I don't really have a favorite but I'm also a fan of the bigger artists. I'm a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music and so anything pop rock soul all but I hadn't really listen to springsteen be defined as Americana is that how his his music would be would be categorized Americana Rock and roll yeah I think so I mean you know I think he's definitely <hes> you know he is a wide range and I would definitely call it. You know <hes> I tend to think of American is Jason Is Bull and Oh yeah but but no definitely American rock and roll <hes> I'm not as much pop <hes> though I'm sure you've talked about it and <hes> year the theory a lot of people believe that if he had wanted to be a great pop music you you know songwriter he could've because when he goes to that he's able to go. You know pretty well very quickly. Yeah Yeah So. Will you say you've been looking back. How did you did you randomly go through his back catalogue? Did you do it with a kind of a plan. Talk to me a little about that so it just it just became kind of random after that I so I had darcus on vinyl but then that was really the only springsteen album my had at that point. I'd listened to a couple of four in the U._S._A.. I'd listen to songs off of Borna run but never of course up until springsteen wake. I hadn't listened to those albums the entire way through and that was the first time I had really done that so springsteen week was the first on archambault was the first time I really listened to born Iran and board in the U._S._A.. In Nebraska and the river all the way through and darkness obviously listen to all the way through before that points <hes> so it that that was planned the springsteen was planned listening to those albums but then I think the one record that I actually went on bought that I spontaneously did was springsteen's first album Greens from it's the Asbury Park one yeah and I found that another record fair in Ithaca New York and I've listened to that I enjoyed it. I certainly don't think it's a strongest work but it was good to to finally start back at the beginning and then understand how he evolved up until up to darkness and then and then after that I found a C._D.. Copy of his second album here at my house back at home and yeah just listened to that and then after that I just kind of put springsteen down so up until that point I'd only listen to to all the way through his first record his second record and darkness and then of course when springsteen we came along then I went ahead and just listen to all five of those other records so I so I'm probably just going to go through and and when Sam was on three week <hes> we had Mike Jim Patrick in him so there was a rotation so this gives you a little more chance to expand <hes> your thoughts on <music>. I'm just going to go through kind of the five born to run. Born run is amazing. That was fun album to listen to. I don't quite remember so disclaimer. I don't quite remember all of my thoughts because when we record all those episodes record record them like all at once yes and I just so there was just a lot of just back and forth but I remember absolutely loving foreign to run. I thought that was an amazing record to start the week and then it was a good progression to darkness because there was a a little bit of turmoil that was happening in his career in terms of management around that time so that sort of helped set up how darkness came about yeah and <hes> I'm sorry no no go ahead so yeah that was I thought that was a great way to start and then. After after darkness was the River River I remember I thought the river was at exhausting record to listen to. I know it's a two L._p.. It I treat it kind of like the scraps from darkness like it was is all these wreck. It was all these songs I could've put on darkness. I feel like they were scattered on a two on a two L._p.. <hes> and then after that was so I wanted to yeah I think the way you talk about you know it's it's an exam. It's a long record and <hes> you know there are a lot of <hes> like my best friend who have one of my best friends who happens to be named Sam as well yeah. We says that you know if you could pick just the songs you wanted off the river. It would be one of his greatest <hes> albums but it would be the ones I want you know <hes> and so I always thought the funny <hes> and you know I I was lucky enough to go see him. During the two thousand <hes> sixteen tour where he was you know where he did the river over and though in a row so that was an my wife asked the question. Are you not tired. I'm like their songs. I were bored with. I'm still board with the phone I love. I still love so I'm going to tell a story and then I want to get your thoughts so girth in right out of high school way back in nineteen seventy seven I bought a eight track called endless summer might have beach boys and it blew me away. I just I listened to that over and over and over again and so I started exploring any beach boy album or eight track because that's the style back then <hes> I bought and I just loved. I just could not get enough and then I ended up. Picking up pet sounds oh all right and I went what the the heck is this. This doesn't sound like any beach boy songs. There's no surf there's no I mean the harmony was there but a couple of songs had no words what what the heck is this <hes>. I'm so when you're talking about Nebraska <hes> that story I and I've actually a mellow embarrassing. I'm talking to my podcast player. You know I'm listening to a Bluetooth in my car and I'm like speaking to my car Sam. I Know Jack So talk about Nebraska with me. Absolutely Nebraska was a direction. I wasn't expecting to go down with springsteen. I was not expecting electing to go into an album where there were things about murderers and psychopaths and again also circling back with the theme where springsteen's talking about people that are just that are just going through hard times and then I was not expecting that I I wasn't expecting him to sort of get to a point where he was singing about criminals and then making us feel feel feel. I don't know I don't want to say sympathetic. 'cause I certainly don't WanNa feel that way but sort of get into a mindset where we can understand exactly what they were are feeling but at the same time not completely understand why they would go forward with the acts that they did. It was a very odd album for me to dissect and I had it was just challenging for me and I didn't quite understand what in so <music> I'm going to bet because I don't want to ramble. Springsteen was a big movie buff and I understand that he really likes the concepts behind you know a really good story and and something like that but <hes> I wasn't and I know that these demos were were critical. The demos sound for Nebraska was critical to get the steam across of <hes> somebody. That's that's in a very dark place and I agree that if he had recorded that record with the street band. I really don't think we would have had that same effect. It probably would have been a little more rocky but this was just it was almost more fulke or country that and that's what Nebraska that's what I thought of Nebraska. It was just a heart one for me to for me to even think about yet and I think that's a fair <hes> <hes> that's a fair first impression. It is very different and it is <hes> you know where you're like. Wow this is different <hes> and and I think your point about out while not sympathetic. You're going <hes> every villain is the hero in their own story that <hes> in that's very very <hes> you you know basic storytelling and if you hear people interviewing with <hes> you know actors talk about well you know I had to play this guy or the Scou- as if she knew she right did you know because she would be or else you know <hes>. No one thinks they're going to be this okay. I'm ready to go be the worst person in the world right and and <hes> and what I find interesting is that <hes> you get a little bit like Atlantic City while amazing with Bruce it it has has become a fairly often live show that the whole east Rabanne will do and <hes> and it sounds great <hes> but I agree with you that I don't know if that album would be the same thing if they had tried to do that and it's none of it's kind of special that <hes> he did this very early <hes> and then of course <hes> if you read <hes> Peter Carlin's books or Dave Marsh you know Barbara Fay's of him <hes> the record company basically like okay. You had your fun now. We'd like a different kind of album and then he got him gave him board in the U._S._A.. Almost like a thank you like okay well. You know you let me Kinda experiment here. Let Me <hes> let me show you this one. Wow I never thought of it that way now. Obviously you do a lot of songs from born in the U._S._A.. Yes from pop culture. <hes> were there any songs that surprised you as you listen to the whole album. There were certainly only a couple of songs. If I'm trying I just remember really liking the entirety of side one. That's the that was the side that I think really just just sucked me into the whole thing. One Song I think in particular that really that I really liked was actually working on the highway. It was just fast fast tempo and I just it was it was good. I it was a song that unfortunately I don't know I don't know if it was a single. I know there were a lot of singles that spawned off a born in the U._S._A.. I don't off the top of my head. Unfortunately if working on the highway was one of them but it was just a good jingle and I liked it and I also like <hes> I'm going down but I'm pretty sure a lot of people. That's yeah <hes> Yeah <hes> I love the guitar intro to on the highway and it just gets a great start <hes> yeah that's that's. That's too fun. <hes> so have you got a chance to listen to western stars. I have and I listened to it actually just yesterday so. Originally originally rather gonNa have this discussion. It was going to be other last week or today so last week. When Western stars came out I did listen to it and since I'm at work typically just put one ear but in leaving <music> out so I really didn't got the full experience just only using the one earbud and multitasking so this week actually has some time to kind of step back and listen to the whole thing through with no distraction and I I liked it? I I certainly and I've told some people this. I certainly don't think Western stars is Bruce Springsteen's best but I do think that it is a good step for him. As he's as he's getting older. He's obviously not the rebellious young man man he was back in the eighties. We're talking about wanting to escape wanting to get out and wanting to go and do something with his life now. He's like this. He's this old wise man. That's talking about his journeys and his adventures that he's had in the past and what he's been through and it just adds. It's a very calm. It's a very calming record and it's it's something that I actually really ended up liking. I'm not a big country. I've never really been huge country music so I wasn't sure how I was was gonna feel going into this but I'm very impressed with how springsteen was able to get the style through and then something else that I really liked was right up until we get to the song stones stones was almost like the return back to the old springsteen suddenly that that accent accent that he had at the beginning of the record was gone and he was back to how he was sounding at a during the river or during the darkness era so it was good he he was a gentle merge between styles and it was it was a very enjoyable title record. You know what I found interesting and you know we've talked a lot about this on the show that <hes> you know magic wrecking ball are to his later albums that a lot of people including me really have a lot of praise for <hes> and to be almost seventy and to do this album and now he recorded it several years ago but <hes> it's it's a nice creative stretch and <hes> I you know growing up in my house. <hes> you know Glen Campbell and a lot of that. <hes> Jimmy Webb type songs both were that you have that Lauch Orchestra Country Music was really big in my house so <hes> hearing that <hes> like when they start when he first released that first single hello of sunshine you went. Oh my goodness this could be you know an early seventy excluding Campbell song yeah and I and I mean that as a compliment <hes> <hes> so yeah. I'm glad you've liked it. I I have really really enjoyed it. I've <hes> you kind of doing the same thing. When it came out I <hes> I was at work but it wasn't very busy and so I I put it on my <hes>? I had my headset on listening and everyone keeps coming up to me. Are you on the phone. No no no okay what can I do and <hes> I've. I've really enjoyed it. I I've really <hes> been impressed. How he's he's pushed himself and the arrangements with all the <hes> orchestra? You know the different strings and horn. It's very yeah very pretty in very different for him. <hes> it's nice. It's going to be really nice. <hes> so I told you I was going to ask this but <hes> do you and I'm as I jokingly said. I'm going to ask you to speak for your generation but <hes> you know my son. Chris is thirty <hes> and the reason he has become a springsteen fan is because I'm a springsteen fan right and he went to a show with me. The only reason he went to show with me as because hey pops I'll go with you and we'll have fun and so he's made two shows and now he's become a big fan okay. I don't know how much of that is just out of fatherhood. You know in indulging the old man but you know so. Do you think that <hes> there other there is an market among quote Unquote College Age Young People whatever you WANNA call it for springsteen's work or are you just an old soul that <hes> the music spoke to well. I'll answer that question in two ways I do think I am an old soul so I'm a sucker for this for this kind of style but I certainly do think to to the second part of that question and I do think that there is a market for this music for people between the ages of twenty two and thirty I remember when the album came out. I just went on Bruce springsteen's twitter. It's obviously managed by his team but I was looking at all the different photos from the launch party and I noticed that they strategically chose photographs of young people either in their twenties thirties that went to the release party of this record so I really think that there is that there is a <hes> a group of <hes> of young people but definitely are just starting to get into springsteen's work and will enjoy this album and something else I think is so fascinating. I'm on red at a lot read it dot com and I posted on read it during the beginning of our springsteen week about corner run and about how I never listen to all the way through and I really liked it and I posted it on the springsteen sub read it and I asked I asked people that were subscribed there. What what are your favorite tracks from the record and I just got nothing but wonderful comments from people saying Oh my God God? You're you're due to his music. This is great. You're you have so much. Listen to and then I remember I read one comment that said man. I'm so jealous. I wish I could listen to springsteen music like it was all new to me so I do think that there is some potential for young people to to again involved in listening to his songs and I think that I remember at Ethica obviously it because a huge music school a lot of people listen to springsteen there and most of the kids are from New Jersey. They love for springsteen so his this music was on blast almost all the time there so I do think that a lot of people definitely do love his older music and if they're a big fan of it they will love this more mature album that he's come out with yeah so <hes> thank you for that. <hes> you've graduated now congratulations thank you and you are employed fulltime now. Yes I am so I understand. You're working in the news business. I am working in the news business in DC you see it's it's really really crazy right now because we're approaching an election year next year so obviously things are things are starting to heat up a little bit but it's a fast fast business and I'm really liking it now. <hes> I saw that Jim and Patrick introduced to new interns. Yes you have moved the gauntlet. You've you know you've given <hes>. Are you no longer interacting. No wonder helping out out with <hes> Jim and Patrick correct. No I am Oh arc still am yeah. What are then how first off how do you find time between working and and I was GONNA ask? What else are you doing creatively to scratch that issue? I mean I realize you need to there is a lot of joy in working in your gig in helping to do that but creatively are. What are you doing to kind of scratch that created itch sheriff so I'll actually touch back on the last thing? You mentioned we have brought on some other interns. We've brought on in. We brought on editing interns. We've had obviously matt are male and turn. He's he's been with us for awhile and I'm still doing web stuff so all the articles that you're reading the song I'm still updating off that and I'm I'm enjoying it. I've loved working with you and Patrick. I think it's always it's so much fun so describes the creative itch. I've just been working. I've actually been training myself on how to use creative programs. Just oh just last just last week. We actually had some training the office on some different editing applications because a lot of us in the news business have are now editing our own stuff there. There isn't really a dedicated editing team. It's everything is sort of evolved all to appoint now where reporters and other and other producers are are editing their own things so we're getting we're getting more training in that so I've just been trying to focus on on building up my expertise in that field and and <hes> I do have a youtube channel but I haven't touched in a year. It's definitely something that I want to get back into and Tom in terms of finding time for the show I just right after work I come home and I start working on. It and I consider it a very relaxing thing. It's it's really it. KINDA takes my mind off of what's going on in the news and then I can I can focus on music and I can just listen to it and really absorb it all and just just collect myself so yeah. That's how I do. That makes a lot of sense. <hes> you know this is <hes> idea a couple podcast and in it truly is <hes> how I feel like I stretch my creative muscles. I get to talk to great people. <hes> you know and it Kinda share. What's what's funny is though Cliche when it rains it pours? You know I'll go weeks without anyone wanting to just schedules can't work out and then all of a sudden for like two two weeks. I'll have like five people that can talk. I'm like okay trying to schedule all this <hes> because the whole fear right is I got no episode loaded. I got no episode recorded and <hes> <hes> you know and I I guess I take a break but I don't want to <hes> that is very cool any future plans or anything going on that you WANNA share well as of now now. I don't really have anything anything personally going on just <hes> still working on rock in the suburbs and <hes> I'm hoping that maybe a few months down the line I can start making I can start doing my own creative things in addition to rock in the suburbs because I I loved the show so much and yeah because I'd like to get back into who <hes> into making web videos. I love working. I love working on podcasts and I think that's been a great great field to learn more about but videos have always been my passion. I definitely do want to go back into doing that again. So maybe by the end of the summer once I finally only wasn't finally more organized than I can really understand how my schedule works. I can definitely get that going again very nice. That sounds like a good plan if someone wants to reach you how is the best way to reach you you twitter is the best way to reach me by <hes>. My twitter user name is slicker. That's S. L. I.. S. K. E. R. All right very nice and <hes> do you have any <hes> guest appearances coming up on rocking this bird maybe made on in a bit. I went a CD shopping with Jim. Patrick actually just last weekend and a couple of C._D.'s and <hes> they were listening to the as listen to these. We want to hear what you think so. I'm looking forward to being back on the show to talk about that. That sounds fine <hes>. I'M I've had a couple people <hes> who were interested in doing this summer fillon shows yeah I've got a couple of those edit that they were nice enough to we set up and we visited and so I'm going to edit those and chairman for the help fill out while they're out doing dad business awesome so sam hang on while I do a little business. If you want to join me and Cheer Your Springsteen Story <hes> I'm easy to reach you can get me at settling Brusett gmail.com. I'm on twitter as set less than Bruce and <hes> you know Gimme McCall. Tell me what you WanNa hear <hes> giving some feedback we'd love to have you talk. <hes> you can also reach me on twitter at Jesse Jackson D._F._W.. Please itunes and your other podcasts players to subscribe rate reviewers. <hes> it really does help us fine new listeners <hes> Sam thank you again for getting up early on Saturday and visiting this was a blast it always is has any final thoughts. I'm going to keep listening Bruce. I'm I definitely have to keep listening to more of his Cadillac now. I need to go ahead of born in the U._S._A.. And I need to listen to more so yes so this has been great. Thank not so much Jesse. Let's let's plan when you listen to some of the later ones reach out to being okay. I've listened to tunnel of love. You know I've listened to wrecking ball magic the couple of the two albums he did without southeastern band reach out to say hey. I'm ready to have another talk. And what kind of do another quick visit about what you're seeing. It sounds like all right all right listeners. Thank you so much for listening. We will talk to you soon. Hello listeners. Here's a little bonus section a the week before Western stars was released. I recorded a couple fillon episodes for our buddies at rock in suburbs. I interviewed one of the episodes I did was an interview with Kevin Clemett. We discussed Cajun Music. <hes> don't know win. Those are going to be out but when they do. I hope you check it out. My hope you always check out Jim Patrick on rock in the suburbs. They had a week of Bruce springsteen discussions where five days in real obviously week they went from born to run on Darkness River Nebraska Board in the U._S._A.. And their argument was they do not know of another artist who had five such amazing releases releases in a row <hes> pretty strong <hes>. Let's call it a straight flush anyway as Kevin and I were getting ready to discuss Louisiana music as I usually do with a guest we talk beforehand and we had a couple minutes discussion of Bruce springsteen and I thought it was interesting enough that I save this. I pulled it off the cutting room floor and have been add added to the tail end of this episode which I think is very appropriate since the main episode was with Intern Sam from rock in the suburb hope you like it. Kevin <hes> can be reached on twitter at Doha Cajun Music Man. That's at Sign D. A. C. J. U. N.. M. U._S. is C.. M. A. N.. At Duck Asian music man so oh please check him out on twitter and I hope you enjoyed this little lawn Yup as we say in Louisiana thank you you just.

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MT. ROCKMORE | Episode #20: .38 SPECIAL

MT. ROCKMORE – THE BOWER SHOW

41:04 min | 1 year ago

MT. ROCKMORE | Episode #20: .38 SPECIAL

"Know I spent a lot of time. Thank you universe for. Cut off jeans shorts and cowboy boots. It's showtime folks down best. Now you're welcome welcome. Everybody Olah Southern Fried Rock. Moore's bid welcome to our southern rock and lights Iraq born nation. I'm Bauer pulling together. They needed special forces to make a tour. De Force hike up the mountain side taking the strength in numbers in picking the four. Kurd all right thrown way too. Many album titles free to not know who this band is. Southern rockers formed by two neighborhood buddies out of Jacksonville Florida. And if you're all of that sounds fascinating to you. Do us a small favor and check on our other mount rock more ventures at the Bauer show dot com recently. We took down the offspring. Put them up on Iraq. More rat now up on the Mount Rushmore looking at the career defining songs from then the Beastie boys without an rank from NFL network Alison Chains Michael Fabriano from the NFL. Network now. This Band's roots firmly planted in the Leonard Skinner D- family trade so much. So that will. They're named after a Leonard Skinner Song. Today's man has taken the art of southern rock and the big guitars of arena. Rock married them together in one deep fried nugget of goodness and when you've got the career releasing a couple of albums straight ahead southern. Boogie the BAND REVAMPS. It sound goes all right. Let's let's fall. Halfway Between Country Fried Blues Rock and Driving Arena hard rock and end up with a plan. Your boots on flack jacket buttoned up. Because we're almost ready to begin the climb now. I'm fully aware that I will not be able to satisfy every girl in hot shorts or Daisy. Dukes who thought hm if only the almond brothers recorded with louder marshalls and maybe some more blow. Well we got it here for you on this. Mount Rushmore thirty eight special after more than three decades together. Thirty eight special still continue to tour. They still continue to bring their signature blast of southern rock over one hundred cities a year. They're one of those bands that back in time when financially? Things weren't good for people in the early nineties. They went to small clubs for the sole purpose of being able to sell tickets for lower prices. So people come check out their show. When you're ban leg that when you care about your fans that much you get a Mulligan you gotTa Gimme you get one. That didn't quite make the caught but it gets to be heard as bracket terms the number sixteen seat taken on the number one seat of the tournament now they have many gold and platinum album awards and those awards stand testament to the endurance of a legendary southern rock powerhouse. Get your neck beard ready. Drop a dip in your pie hole because it's playing time. This song reached number twenty five on the billboard hot one hundred and nineteen eighty-four and was on the soundtrack to the movie with almost the same title are thirty eight special play in goes to teach teacher on the thirty eight special now. Rock battle certain. The tape teacher duplicate teacher their teachers. The movie in Nineteen Eighty. Four was a comedy drama. Starring Nick Nolte Jo Beth Williams Ralph Macho and Judd Hirsch shot in Columbus Ohio. Thirty eight special led that soundtrack cool is that was one of those mega soundtracks. Were you had other artists like Freddie Mercury Z. Z. Top Bob Seger Night Ranger Eric Martin. Who later went on to sing for Mister big? They made up the teacher soundtrack. Once again. Proving you don't have to have a good movie to have a good soundtrack. It's carved time my friends now back in the day when MTV actually did this crazy thing they it's so weird they used to play music videos. Remember that where they actually had songs and then they made a video for that song and then. Mtv played that they used to be so much more than just reality TV. I know you find that hard to believe at least your kids. Do you remember what that was like? This video was the lucky thirteenth video to air on the day that MTV debuted back in nineteen eighty one back then. This song reached number three on the Billboard Rock Tracks Chart Number Twenty seven on the billboard. Hot One hundred our first song were officially carving into the Mount Rushmore. Of Thirty Eight special was the first track from their fourth studio album. Wild eyed southern boys. This is hold on loosely on thirty eight special amount bad. Sudan back see does about coming up with ideas for songs way back then Don Barnes. Jim Patrick. They described that songs opening. Riff raff like the cars meets. Leonard Skinner. Something that's how they kinda define hold on loosely taking inspiration from the just what I needed song from the cars. In Fact Jeff Carly See. Wrote the famous one eight note riff to the thirty eight special song based upon the cars by the way where the members of thirty eight special used to checkout live bands when they were underage in a little thirty eight special. Today you learn all courtesy of Jacksonville's finest thirty eight special here on Mount Rock more. It's the onion radio news. A magical girlfriend transmute guilt into precious stones. This is doyle. Redland reporting residents of Galway Michigan. Were astonished when Jennifer Mall. Roy magically converted Boyfriend Mike Royces guilt over his chronic tardiness into a beautiful emerald encrusted bracelet. According to one of Royce's friends the girlfriends miraculous powers are nearly limitless. This one time I should have Blake Jennifer's parents house and she was able to which him into helping her sister move out of her apartment. I power is great. Indeed Roy is most adept at transmuting guilt into golden jewel. She is also able to harness the power of jealousy transforming it into flowers and dinner at a fancy restaurant rattling for the onion radio news online at the onion dot com. She is clearly clearly to metro sexual moment moment in history the dragon slayer bond pardew a man in Montgomery County taxes attacked by neighborhood. Pit Bull recently. The dog bit hard into produce hand in US release. It's Clinton with Pardew didn't complain the dog. It ruined his manicured fingernails and their shiny translucent nail Polish. Why not because he didn't have any girly Nail Polish? On in fact he doesn't even know what the word manicure means. He thinks it's when a guy gets better with the snarling beast. Still digging into his hand. Hard do didn't pull some WORC- crap and try to reason with the Animal. He didn't say that compromise let pass a UN resolution. Let's talk about your problems to give a rough childhood. Hell no the Texans Rag. One foot tall fanged monster a full block and a half his house where he dan. According to police choked it to death. No real man like perdue is going to let that hit ball off with a warning it's one strike and you're strangled to death. He's judge jury and executioner and more importantly he's a real man and now dragon slayer this been Lee camp for more funny crap. Checkout Lee can't Net and shark maybe Breaking down s now. I cannot believe that I'm actually thinking about blanking. You're bland oh you better believe it. Welcome back to the mound rock. More podcast if what we're doing here is you know making you feel good then. Please check out our website. The Bauer show dot com. Follow US ON TWITTER AT MT. Are Ck M. O. R. e. At Mount Rushmore? And all you fellow. Stay at home. Zoom teachers early Sunday drink and mother's Day Mama's welcome to the rock more crew. We're glad to have you sure. Tell all your fellows if I'm wearing tight jeans talk to my boots. I'm heightening my game. Soccer moms and the days of donning some serious chest hair softball. Dads out there about this. Podcast thou our second song. Being pounded into the thirty eight special. Mount Rushmore Mountainside is the Classic Barn Burner. That opened up the band's nineteen eighty album of the same name. Now Song only reached forty three in the US billboard charts it became a staple of FM rock radio. Trust me triple shot weekend. When I was on a KS. This was a definitive. Must have for the triple shot weekend. The album also featured Leonard Skins legendary pianist. Billy Powell song number. Three on the Mount Rushmore of thirty special song rocketed. Tonight on Mount Rushmore. June new all and visit someone new rocketed tonight. Thirty eight special. But here's something interesting. That song was written by survivor members. Gary Smith Frankie Sullivan and Jim Patrick for their band to perform on their first album survivor. But they're producer Ron. Evison felt like the song really didn't fit for the ban wasn't right for the record so it was nixed and the songs rock mix was given them to thirty eight. Specials Manager Spector. He took it to the ban. The ban recorded it loved it and eventually became their first hit. We are halfway through the Mount Rushmore. Thirty eight special songs. We've only got oh man to really just two more songs to go. Take a breather. First Time for a little thirty eight special today. You learned today today today today. All right finishing up my beer here have can be are one thirty eight specials on aright today you learned young members of thirty eight special often went to a bar called the forest in to hear other musicians play because they were underage. They couldn't legal into the club so they begged the kitchen workers to let them sit in the kitchen and listened from there. They were kind of right there at the debut. And the success of the ALLMAN brothers. Today you all. The band members lived within a few blocks of each other and often grouped and regrouped informally eventually forming thirty eight special today. You lert Donny. Van Zandt sounds a little familiar right his brother Johnny van Zandt and Leonard. Skinner will the two of collaborated on two albums. Brother brother and Van Zandt to and they even went on their first tour together as a team and finally in Thirty Eight Special. Today you learnt today you alert. The first two records were not successful by record industry standards for thirty eight special. Their third album rock and into the night released in nineteen seventy nine had that single hit the top forty and they took off from there and now back in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. This song kicked off the Tour de force album and video featured A. I think it's I would call her a supermodel except I think she was prominently an actress. She certainly a smoking hot actress from the eighties. I think she I'm not. She may have fallen into the supermodel. Category Julianne Phillips Former First Wife of Bruce springsteen was in this video man not only was the music better than the Hadi's also. This is probably my all time personal favorite song from thirty of agile. It's if I'd been the one here on mound rock tony apart so dave Tour de Force did well in nineteen eighty-three. Although Rolling Stone writer Steve Futterman complained that they had lost their southern edge and sounded more like a west coast band. I I tend to think the exact opposite. I got southern edge from that one and while we prepare for the final ascent up the Mount Rushmore of thirty eight special songs for our fourth and final carving. Let's Salute. Those songs couldn't quite make the climb sadly in the Valley of very stocker. A sounding songs lay the mangled remains of back where you belong me seriously. Listen to the lyrics on that it kind of sounds a little stocker. You might want to avert your eyes. If the death throes of an overproduced gully writing you where back to paradise has been laid to rest along with all the rest of the nerds from revenge of the nerds to nerds and paradise. All right enough with the emotional heartstrings. I'm pulling at here for you. The blurred Kurt loader riddled. Mtv Memories of the eighties it's time to carve the fourth and final screaming southern fide track in mountainside. You know what's next you have to process of elimination. Says you know what's next. We'll pick our final carving and if you like Iraq with an accent stay tune. It's southern rock porn next here. Mount Rushmore. This is lance with talk shot. 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This classic song released on the Band's special forces album back in nineteen eighty two. I was thirteen years old. It became the band's first number one single on the billboard top tracks rock chart and also became one of the band's two top ten pop hits reaching number ten on the billboard. Hot One hundred. Your final spot on the thirty eight special amount rock more goes to right caught up in you. Hear the thirty eight Special Mount Rushmore. Who OVER YOU DO Who My cat bureau pass baton good song thirteen year old. Our La that cassette mainly because I had just gotten my very first Sony Walkman and I was just listening cassettes all the time. It had the the cheesy head. Mostly the buds we have now are the beats our anything over the years. It was an over the ear but it had that cheesy orange foam on the sides of it man I loved I think and I would just listen over and over and over and over again to that. Entire special forces cassette. I spent so much time chain. Lightning was one of my favorite songs. Second side of the cassette. That's what started off rough housing. Was there you keep running away. I I've I was surprised. You keep running away. Never became a bigger single for thirty eight special and more importantly one common thread for thirty eight special albums as they were making it big where these incredibly sexy women that were drawn on the covers of thirty eight special album not pictures of these ladies on the cover but the artists drew thirty eight album like it was an awesome. Comic Book. Were almost on some level graphic novel album cover and the girl and the thirty eight special album for special forces. I was amazed you rarely by the way ever saw her face out any of them on any of them you rarely ever saw face you rarely needed to and I spent a lot of time thanking the universe for cut off Jean Shorts and cowboy boots. Just remember in the hot shorts and wild eyed southern boys for a second just for Split goodstuff real quickly before we head out of here. I WanNa tell you about the shop. We've got open at the Bauer show dot com slash shop. We've got t shirts. We got Mount Rushmore t shirts. I think there's a rock more hat available for you to purchase. If you're like in this podcast please log onto the Bauer show dot com slash shop. And go get yourself while. There's a discount here for mother's Day weekend. Go get yourself some mount rushmore gear or our show clear. It's all right there for you. Dad's home podcast. Gear all right there and if you hate my picks if you think you can do better than by all means tweet me at Mount Rock more empty. Rotc Gay Amaury and let me know. I might need you to help me come host upcoming rock more than anyone you see spending the weekend mowing a lawn weed whacking or just chilling by the pool. 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Irish Bellwethers: Patrick Flynn on Playwright Creativity and Confidence

Bellwether Hub Podcast

43:26 min | 1 year ago

Irish Bellwethers: Patrick Flynn on Playwright Creativity and Confidence

"I'm Jim Frawley and this is bellwether. Welcome to thank you for joining yet again this week. We have a very excited about our guest. This week. We have a guest and I liked to highlight leaders wherever they are and these could be political leaders. We had the the former mayor. Belfast major community things recently Their business leaders sports leaders professional boxer on we do all of these people who lead by example. But I've never gotten into the arts and I'm excited to get into the arts because when we think about leaders and we think about bellwethers and people who really just drive emotion and drive change and all that it's the best riders the best playwrights. It's the people. The poets the people that can really tap into emotion. They can get us distracted when need to be distracted. And they have this capability this amazing capability to take us to another place but building. That is a challenge. And that's why I am very happy to invite our guest this week. Patrick Flynn to Bella. The hub welcome. Patrick thank you so much. Jim Patrick tell us a little bit about you. Tell us what you do. Where you're from and all that stuff sure Farm Trauma Wilmington Delaware born and raised though. The playground is where I spent most of my days and I was have always been into theater film entertaining comedy. Any of that sort of stuff ever since I was too young to know what it was such that had my kindergarten teacher when I was five. Got a very hard student to control and she threw me in the school. Play to say your put your energy there and I've been kind of hooked ever since And bummed around a lot. My wife and I have lived in a lot of different cities in a lot of different states. We've been on the east coast but on the West Coast. I've done film. I've done web content when that was new over a decade ago And then got back into theatre again after moving back to the east coast and sort of made that my home For the last five or so years and then I've also been podcasting for about the same amount of time and Enjoying that very much and have found a lot of met. A lot of really great people doing that. It's been a really interesting sort of social thing for me Being into podcasting. So I do describe myself as a dramatization a podcast. I think that pretty suits it. And the fresh Prince of bel-air fan as a freshman to Bel Air friend. Yes what when you grow up just outside of Philly as so many people you and I both went to college with did it It seeps into your soul yeah a little Jack becomes part of your normal comma and conversational aspect. We are now. I have a question because when you so you had your hand everything. Okay from from the arts perspective. Right this film. Playwright podcast the web before it was cool. All that stuff right so you you've been there. What is it with arts? People going across so many different mediums? Is this just you know you have so much creativity that you WanNa let out in whatever place you can or are you just testing new different ways to get a message out. What drives so many arts people to to spread out so many different mediums? Well I mean candidly. The the the honest answer is money. I it's very hard to make money sticking to one discipline and the more you can diversify yourself the more chances you have for Flat making money because most of what everything I do is freelance But the other nice thing about it I found is that for me part of it. Is I get bored Doing one kind of of entertainment. I WANNA do a different one night. When I'm like writing plays I'm thinking about making movies of making the movie. I'm thinking about writing a play. It just Kinda goes that way and The I found the the advantage though has been that A number of people I've worked with in the theater have never worked in film and Web video so I haven't experienced that makes me unique in that vein having worked professionally in in in web content for a number of years and then Likewise my experience in the theater makes my screenwriting unique. It's a little more I like to work with actors. A little more than the average filmmaker On my level I like to write dialogue a lot. More than maybe the average filmmaker on my level so I can sort of float among the mediums very easily because I've worked professionally in in all the fields and also the podcasting thing comes up to the fact that a lot of training in film is Cross disciplinary with with podcasting experience of how to record audio had to make it. Sound good how to edit it together and what to do with an audio file is something that you have to learn when you study fell as I did so it. Just that discipline came very naturally to me So it's partially a restlessness. I think partially a desire to try all these different kinds of ways and see which one really really stands your hair on end and part of it is the practicalities of if you can hop among these different mediums. There are many more chances to actually earn a living then to stick with one. Kinda put all your eggs one basket you kind of have to really hope that that one pays out and it may or may not so you have found you are able to be one of those elusive people Who Does what they love rights? I mean your your love of the Arts Your love of theatre starting kindergarten and now you are building your business however you can't monetize it across multiple different ways but it doesn't really sound like you're just doing it for the money it's you do because you love it. You curious in your restless. Yeah you have to love it. It is one of those the cliche in in my business. If you can imagine yourself being happy doing anything else do that. I think that's bad. That's a bad way to phrase it Because nothing I think like turns a twenty or eighteen year old kid on to be like well screw. I'm going to do it my way like you can't tell me what to do like advice. It sounds like that but that advice really tries to say is this is going to be very difficult so you have to love it because many times and I tell my students is when I teach all the time that your love of it has to be enough your own joy out of what you do in this business has to be enough because it is all you're guaranteed you know we're not even guaranteed from a play writing standpoint. I'm not even guaranteed the plays GonNa get produced if I'm writing it and if it does that's one in how. Ma- what the odds are and I don't want to know frankly with the FBI. Discouraging guys are very good. You could do it. I'd probably go there. That's the set but the the the chances of getting producer very slim the chances of once you're produced of actually connecting and getting good reviews slim the chances of whether or not you get good reviews. Getting an audience is slim and then the chance of the play having a life after that is slim again so I mean the odds of actually getting all the way to the factory out of play that is published in people want to do. It is so small that you really have to love what you're doing because it's all you're guaranteed you're only guaranteed your own joy out of the process of of your work and so if you don't have that you you don't have anything which sounds you talk a lot. What sounds like you know what many people would consider success in in terms of writing a place you get picked up and it gets I guess performed and all of that seventy goes on but I imagine you have to love it because this is one of the most vulnerable jobs I can possibly think of out there because when you and it's it's why I envy actors and writers so much is you are putting something out there that you have created for renewal to dump all over Osha Nat. I mean that is a a smack to the gut and smack to the face That that I imagine what turn many people off. Just run away. It's what prevents people from getting any type of level. Yeah it's a very it's it's it's honestly a part of the business that I don't know that I will ever fully get peace with I. I have kind of come to a zen place with reviews and criticism. Where the cliche being if you believe the good the good reviews you have to believe the bad ones sort of like you have to take it all so i. I like to look at reviews as interesting feet like one person's feedback. Let's just like listening to one audience member with a very just happen to have a very loud voice but yeah it's it's tough. It's a really really tough part of the business and you. Kinda have to just accept that all the high you get when you open a show when you have an opening night and everybody's there and it's an opening night. Audience is generally very friendly audience. So they're very excited to be there and everybody's just so relieved. The shows open because it is a lot of work. He kinda have to accept that the next morning is going to be an emotional roller coaster because even when the reviews are good or even when they good enough there not not like. It's not the praise you wanted the it just never. It never feels the whole and so the important thing for me. Personally I only really speak to myself is just to keep that whole that. Try Not try to fill that hole with the praise of a review or awards or anything like that. It is simply to go. I did the best I could. The play is exactly how I wanted it to be or close to how I wanted it to be. I hope people like it. I hope people come see it and if they don't that to shame but we'll get next. Time is kind of the bit. It only really bugs me in terms of the business side of of like when you have a review On the internet which is where all the reviews are. It doesn't really matter who wrote it when you search my name and the title of the play you can read any review from published whenever by whomever and so if you're thinking of doing my place somewhere else and you google the reviews. I just have to hope. The good ones are the top results. The bad ones aren't or at least at the headlines matter. I don't know how many people actually read the reviews. This is my other thing as long as the headlines. Are Positive. You know like it's really. It's a it doesn't you sort of can push you can move on from that And it's good to separate that because you've got your extrinsic right the things that really you can't control what other could talk about. How much you love hate it. Apply based on. You know how good your dinner was before you went and saw it and that's going to share your your yoga and so you know filling that whole inside you can never be filled by somebody outside of that and that's when you are proud to get it to that point where you're comfortable to do that. Talk to me a little bit about. Maybe when when you your first piece right where you felt you filled up your whole by yourself or you were comfortable enough putting it out there saying I have created something that I am proud of and I want to share this with the world. How did you get to the point where you're saying? I'M GONNA put this out there in. Open it up for critique. Well you don't. You're not any play film podcast. Whatever it is anything you're creating isn't done but sitting in a drawer you know you don't it. Requires the audience to see it for it to be fully completed because especially with life theater. The audience response is part of it. It's a live event occurring in front of you. So you know the actors the audience the the crew. Everybody is working as part of this organism that yes it is written down on the one who wrote it down. But you know it's happening live so many things can go wrong so many things can go right like you said it could be from the dinner the night before to the projection can break to an actor can trip and fall and hurt themselves to an audience. Member can do all kinds of wonderful terrifying things especially when you work in children's theatre as I do a lot So you have to really relinquish yourself to you. You have to let go and I learned that Kind of early from working in from working in film actually working in Web content and kind of realizing that when I was releasing stuff online You know the view count was all that anybody ever really cared about the. That was the big thing that advertisers cared about. That's the big thing that producers cared about was all about hits and the hits to me seemed to be totally independent of whether or not I was doing a good job all I could do is what I thought was interesting and anytime I tried to make a video that I thought we get a lot of hits it would fail spectacularly and anytime I just made a video that was for me. It was fun it might succeed. Might Fail but it also might succeed at a much better chance of doing what I thought was funny and putting it out there and kind of living or dying on that ability because there's also so many things about everything that you just cannot control the world we're living in right now is not the world. We're living in a month ago and I have a number of friends who were had shows that were running. That had to close the shows were about to open. That had to close before they even open. The shows that were scheduled to go into rehearsal that have been cancelled or postponed to the fall. And that stinks. But that's just that's life that's part of the business. Is that uncertainty of whether or not the thing is even GonNa be available to be seen you know we all couldn't plan for a pandemic but here we are and the ones who are getting through it the ones who are emotionally. I'm talking about the ones who are like mentally pulling it off the ones who have this sort of zen attitude of thinking like well a wrote the play will do it or we won't all right another one and that's just how I'm going to get through this period of time. Because what else can I do you know? How can I contribute? There is a certain the thing I wrestle with with the vulnerability like you were talking about. Is the the idea? There is a certain arrogance you have to have to be to say. I made this thing it's worth seeing. It's worth listening to. It's worth watching. Whatever it is. It's worth reading. There has to be a certain amount of arrogance for me to say. Hey come see my show. It's really good but attached to that arrogance. You Never WanNa be my sort of model of Of nightmare scenario is back on. American idol. Was huge there were always these clips during the auditions of like people walking in and they're pre interviewed they'd say I'm a star a huge star. They're gonNa love me and then they walk in and they just delivered the worst singing performance you've ever heard in your entire life and they get told off and a storm out of the audition saying they don't know what they lost a star like that delusional amount of arrogance is why nightmare scenario. That's who I fear that I might just being like. You should come see my show and everybody's sitting in the show being like this is terrible of me going like it's great. You know there is a certain amount of that that you have to. You have to wrestle with. It's that balance of being arrogant. Enough to say no my. My work has value and humble enough to work with collaborators theaters highly collaborative I write scripts and then. The artistic director of theater gets an opinion. The director gets an opinion. And if you're good I think The actors get opinions. The you know everyone gets an opinion. And then you kind of have to wrestle with the opinions and choose which ones you think are valuable and which ones you'd think aren't and create a script and put it out there that everybody's more or less happy with otherwise you know. The director and artistic director and actors aren't happy. You're not gonNA have a good show. No matter how good think the script is. I will say I learned. How do you do you think then that your humility your thoughts of I'm not good enough and and your your your fear of being arrogant? Do you think that drives your success. Makes your work better the fact that you have the yeah I do? I think it keeps me. I kind of want to hold onto that angst. It equipped keeps me balanced a little bit at any time. I think I'm getting too. I think my wife would say I'm a little too hard on myself 'cause I never believe good things are going to happen. And that's kind of because any eh the feeling I get when I get my hopes up about something and then it doesn't come. True is terrible. Hate that feeling and I kind of live more in like well. It's not gonNA work out so there's no problem and then when it does work out unpleasantly surprised She finds out a little unhealthy. And she's probably right but I think that living in that balance kind of keeps me always having something to prove. That's the arrogance part of being like. No I'm good I'm valuable I'm worth I'm my writing is good. And I think it's worth seeing combined with the humility of wanting to be the kind of artists who is collaborative and taking pride in that. I The best directors I've worked with as an actor or or or people I studied under. Were always very very collaborative. They always talked about how you have to work with everybody so that everyone's creating something together. The people I always hated working with where the autocrats who would come in. And tell you exactly where to stand and what to do and it didn't feel like it didn't feel good to be collaborating with those people because it wasn't really collaboration. I learned a lot of this working as an assistant director for a guy named Stafford. Arema who's a Broadway and west end director and I had the privilege of of being his assistant director on a production and I was amazed by the fact that he would. I would offer a suggestion. And he would not only take my idea but he wouldn't see insist that I say it out loud to everybody so that everyone knew who came from and I was sort of amazed the do a lot of people you work with what we very selfish. And what their idea on stage only want to do that. He would take ideas from anybody. Anybody who had the idea and I learned quickly that the reason he was doing that was because at the end of the day the show said directed by Stafford arena. The audience didn't know whose idea was the audience didn't care the audience wanted a good show and he was willing to take ideas the best idea whether it was his or or or anyone else's and at the end of the day the show the show says by. Patrick Flynn on it. I don't care who thought this was a good idea whose idea it was actors idea. I'll happily take it and incorporated if it's the best idea in the room so that makes stripped better which makes the play better which makes me look better when everyone up better and that's what we're here to do is to put the best art forward we possibly can. Do you think humility then. So you're right. It's it's almost like changing the perspective on on where you're focuses because when you're writing it this is my baby right as your community your work on your writing. It doesn't mind my mind. This is my idea and I wanNA take it all the way through. And it's obviously you'd want control. I'd imagine you know I would if you know me if people May And the people who do not know that I'm not really always open to feedback either but separating yourself from your work I feel like that's what you're director dead Is that he's ever even though it's directed by him. He separating himself from the product that goes out in the work that goes out. Do you think that's what what is necessary in terms of we align ourselves with our work as representatives representative of who we are? Do we separate ourselves from the final product that goes out and when do you know that it's good enough to go? Oh God well the answer. The first question. The second one's a much longer answer. I think it is separate. Yes you do have to certainly separate your personality from the product to a certain extent You also have to have confidence though in your work to know that just because someone had a suggestion that it wasn't your idea that doesn't mean you're not a good writer or director. It just means that someone had a good idea and there's a lot of people I think when you offer them suggestions in an artistic setting or in any setting they sort of feel I. I'm not GonNa sit here and say that when I get notes don't get you know my Irish up a little bit when people start giving me notes about this thing that I worked really hard on. What the Hell do you know about what I'm doing that absolutely happens? The trick is to then swallow that a little bit and go okay. Is this a person I respect. The Do. I respect your opinion anyway. And if I don't respect the opinion are they paying me to do this? And if they are going to have to shut up sometimes invent take note depending on what you're doing obviously but the second part about whether when you know it's finished. I mean somebody once said that plays aren't finished their abandoned and I think that's absolutely true. I I write the script. I'm writing up through opening. You know we have a preview process where show goes in front of an audience. We work really hard in front in rehearsals and we have a lot of speculation. Would you really don't know what you have until you put it in front of the audience and we've I was working on my play. Tinkerbell at adventure theater out here in DC and we thought we were doing great. We're running in the rehearsal room and it was going really really well and we got it up in front of these kids at the very first preview in the thing was over an hour long which is too long for Sodas Theater and we're losing them at about the fifty minute mark and we just. We didn't know that we were a bunch of adults in the room. We didn't know that until the kids saw it. And when what I had to do and the director of that show had to do is we had to sit down and go okay. This thing. Ten minutes shorter. And the answer to that when you have to make something shorter almost always we have to cut writing. It's not going to be in the blocking the blocking isn't what's taking so long. The light transitions aren't really slowing it down that much. It's the writing and so for the next two previews I cut things and then I watched the show and then we cut some more things and I watched the show and you know I could have sat there and Doug my ills in and said. This is N- this far no further. I've written the show. I WANNA right. It's sixty five minutes long deal with it. But then the show would not have run very well and Everyone would have you know no one wanted to work with me again and also would not have been the best possible show that could have been and because of that. I'm very proud to say like the actors worked very hard. I these big cuts to things and and cut lines of we'd worked hard on and tore it apart on the show ran really well and it's been published and it's been performed at fifteen theaters across the country and counting and I'm super proud of not only that success but also the fact that you know I was in control. I was the one making the cuts. I was the one making decisions and when I've gone to see the show since it is better. It isn't tight show. That still conveys the message. I want to convey the kids. Love it and you know I miss. Maybe the longer scenes that got trimmed down from a personal standpoint but You know I'm not. I'm not a child in the shows for children. You've gotTa talk to your audience to know your audience. Your audience is very important so speaking about AIDS is tell me about the podcast because I know I have specific questions for you topics that you cover on your podcast but talk to me a little bit about cats shirts of the podcast is called the original cast and it's a podcast about original cast albums and the people who love them and each episode. I have a person from the theater Or just from the entertainment industry but somebody WHO's actors writers directors people as I say I used to say actually every episode someone. You'd see onstage backstage in the house. It was just people who like theater in Love Theater and made theater a part of their lives and they picked an original cast album from a show that they absolutely loving them. We we talk about it but I really like to use it as a springboard to talk about what they love about theater and why they love theater and why they do theater Some episodes are deep dives into the text of the show itself and those are a lot of fun but the ones I really really like the ones where we get to something deeper that the show or the cast album represents for these people and and how they can how it informed their love of theater and their life and then how they you know incorporated that into into everything they do. Here's what I've always wanted to know. Talk About Theater Right. I Love Theater. I love it when you go see play. It's one of my favorite things to do but I don't call all theater theater okay. Yup Well I mean it is theater but it's like a movie film thing he let like a out. Maybe I guess as I don't understand musicals okay I just don't get it. I just don't get it right as you go to sit there and you know oh my wife died. I need to sing a song. And they go off on some random thing with big smiles. And pats explain it to me. What is the draw that everybody likes? I don't get it well to me. So there's a lot of different kinds of musicals obviously and I'm not gonNA like lumping them. All into one category is is a mistake Because they're all very different even the kinds that are running at the same time you know like there's a big difference between a show like Hamilton and a show like cats. They're barely the same art for him. You know what I mean except that they both take place in a theater and they have music on singing there. They're trying to do very very very different things. But in general they are the the the purpose of a musical. The thing that's the draw for the musical is the emotional expression. It's the fact that some things in life are just when you try to talk about them. They're just not satisfying and so you can do nothing except the have the music come out of you as it does in in real life though not with a full orchestra behind usually and express this emotion. Be that joy sorrow. Whatever it's to me it's an A. May the best musicals are an amazing emotional catharsis centered around an emotional experience And one that usually has the characters singing. In moments of heightened emotion and heightened joy or sadness or love or whatever it is when the emotions just get so big. They can't talk anymore they have to sing and I think we've all felt that way whether or not I mean the theater. Kids are the special brand of us who actually walk around singing When these things happen that's true. There are some of you that walk around new thing and totally you. Just try to stop me but the But you do get you know those emotional outbursts. We have which could be laughing or could be jumping. It could be like you have these things that happen in your life that that result in an emotional outburst and maybe it's contained to you know a ten second laugh in your clapping her hands with just so much joy about what's happening and you know tears come here is because you're laughing so hard maybe goes on for a minute a half or something and then a musical. We will stretch those two five six seven minutes songs. Absolutely but it is a heightened experience of seeing these emotions expressed and be released in this capacity. Which is something that music does for everybody and we all want me. Have you know everybody goes to? The experience is probably in high school. Earning college where you're in a relationship with somebody and it ends and you go back to your room and you put on the saddest music you have and you wallow in your sorrow for a little while. Music is there to accompany these moments in our lives. You know. Every wedding which is a hugely emotional moment is a climaxes than a lot of dancing and and loud music. And you know. Basically a wedding is a jukebox musical. Where the cast is maybe a bunch of people who in my case can't dance but we all are just so happy. We have no choice but to dance and sing too loud music. And that's how we express the amazing joy that we have and Irish funeral will be the same way that's true they do. And and it doesn't bother me that then I think it's a beautiful moment and I think what a struggle with it is. I think the the music gets paired with just overactive traffic. Asthma my challenge with it. When you see it in a theater. It's different obviously. It's big data reforming large. You see it on film and it's just I think it's horrible on film Personally but it's it's I think it's just the just showmanship that comes with it when I hear some of these songs from musicals there beautiful socks and I like the differentiation that you did where it's just you know. We can articulate and worse. Sometimes we do have to sing it. And it's why poetry comes out and it's why music comes out and it's all these different Heading different emotions that I I liked that perspective. But the guy from Hamilton lin-manuel I saw Mary Pop. I turn it off. He was so like louder on the TV. And as I all my goodness I can't even watch this right now and so maybe that's I just like the more authentic you walk around in Irish funeral. People are saying nobody's really being bombastic with our sadness they're just saying you know and pulling their hundreds at that's my that's. I just had to get that out my emotional challenge with musicals even though it's beautiful music Maybe they just need to tone down well so one thing. I have one of the reasons I started. The podcast was because I don't a couple of opinions is for me of the way people interact with with any art musicals especially but any art this applies to. I think that we take our entertainment far too seriously sometimes and want all entertainment to be for us. I was in college. This might surprise you but like you know because I was a big advocate of like. We're just GONNA stand around and scream about objectively. This movie is better than that movie or this moment is better than that. There's an objective. Truth were kind of railing at. I found that as I worked in the industry and I watched you know. I've seen more movies than most people ever will it? You know I spent so much time watching movies in high school college and Grad School. I absorbed so much media and I studied it so closely. I kind of came to the conclusion that like you know. Whatever you like is what you like. And that's fine as long as you know what it is as long as you know what you're absorbing what you're you know what it is what it's doing to the messages that it's sending you like which like it doesn't matter you know. I. I don't really believe in guilty. Pleasures that phrase. Kinda drives me crazy like I think that you like what you like and you don't like what you don't like and that's fine. Not Everything has to be for everybody and I think when you see entertainment that tries to be for everyone it ends up looking like something like up with people like it's just a bunch of people smiling and dance like a budweiser commercial on your dislike. That's not really hard. I mean it's fine but whatever. It doesn't really appeal to anybody. You know it just sort of ends up being very flat and so I love musicals. I love all musicals. Good and bad. I love the sort over the top ness of it because I have. I sometimes get very emotional. Emotions can go over the top and I like having that release in in theater both seeing and writing it of being of letting those emotions run rampant for two hours and then I can go back in to you. Know back to the world and and be a functional human being. If you don't need that you don't need it and that's totally fine and I do also I should say I am one hundred percent with you that some of the acting or especially when you put it on on the camera musicals and films are an interesting combination because they often lead to hilariously bad results. Some of them can be great. There are such thing as great movie musicals but they often. The acting style does not translate to this two from stage to film as a student of both. That's been an interesting thing for me to kind of really realizes just how how nuts musical acting can be. No bad musical acting can be but if you're now Disney also you have a whole other wrinkle of its Disney so God only knows what like how what they're going for sometimes but it is it's it's a tricky art form and it's not for everybody and it doesn't have to be. I don't like I am not ever going to be somebody. Like you have to love musicals. I think they're great. I think there's a lot of great musicals out there. There's more good than bad and I think if everyone was sort of opened you'd find him us. There's a musical out there you'd like Jim. I'm one hundred percent. Sure there's a musical out you actually and I say this with sincerity. You've actually just given me. A realization is the fact that because I don't I so many people who love it. I think I'm just upset that I don't like it and I wanna be like that. I want to get what they like out of it and I haven't been able to figure out what it is yet and so You made me feel better that you like what you like. And I don't like that's okay but I think I want to like it and that's my town and I think that's a good thing. I think there's a lot of stuff I don't appreciate fully. There's a lot of theater forms that I don't appreciate fully and I I find myself. I used to have a teacher in college. Said When you talk about somebody. They didn't like an artist or something they would always say. I haven't learned to appreciate them yet. I used to think that was kind of a cop out but now I sort of think about is like that's a really great way to be. It's just be like that's not my thing but I'm also not closing the door to that. It could be my thing one day. It could be something I greatly enjoy. It just isn't something I enjoy right now and who knows maybe in a year or ten years or just a couple of weeks. I'll find something that'll just completely certain set my my life on fire. I really was sort of not into I love musicals but there was a good chunk of time especially when I was living in L. A. Where I was sort of believed that the music theater was over. I was sort of like well. This is done as much as it can possibly do. There's never going to be a good musical again. A new you know they've all been written this kind of over and then I discovered the musical fun home which is a tremendous musical and that really reinvigorated my joy in Music Theater and then I started to see joy all around me. Music Theater just took that one show kind of drag me back in I was a willing participant in that but it just takes one of those experiences to make you go. Oh my gosh. There's a whole world here that I can can be enjoying if I just sort of let it let it happen and take it for what it is. What is your favorite piece of theater if you had to recommend to anybody not knowing who they say. This is my favorite piece of theater that I've ever been privy to. What would have been my favorite play and this is not hard for me. Is Our town by Thornton Wilder. It is a which is something I think everybody read in high school or saw high schooler or did and it's. It's something that I encourage everyone to revisit as much as they possibly can. It's a play that is deceptively simple and is something that you see it and green high school you think. Oh it's fine but then if you see when you're a little older means something different than you see it. After you have kids it means something entirely different and then you see it. I'm sure when I get older. It'll keep meaning different things to me as it goes on and the place sixty years old and it still has a very very vibrant life and the professional theater regional theater was just revived off Broadway. Five or six years ago to wild acclaim and it just keeps coming back because it keeps having things to say and it is I think the big statement but I stand behind that I think it is the highest achievement in in English drama. Full Stop I think. It is just amazing. An amazing amazing Peace and you know what I love about you. Picking that is that I believe our town is one of only two or three bucks. I actually did read in high school and I loved it. I remember loving. Yeah tonight my favorite. We always end the podcast with book recommendations recommendation so right. I recently got a kindle so I started reading again so this is really really great and I was. I've been told I read or heard a podcast or something where it said that reading fiction is really what you should be doing. Simulates your brain. In a certain way but lately I've been digging into nonfiction and the book that I've been to lately is called prisoners of geography but Tim Marshall Which is about subtitles. Ten maps that explain everything about the world I'm a big Slagged nerd a love of Excellency as it's called the study of flags and I love this this this sort of design aspect of flags and what they say about us to Marshall wrote another book called a flag worth dying for that is about the power of national symbols but he in prisoners of geography. He looks at ten countries and their geographical design the borders that were drawn and how those borders sort of explain how they behave The first all about Russia and this is a book only a couple of years old and the first books all about rush the first half was all about Russia and it explains so much about what's going on in the world and the way Russia is behaving in the way Russia behaves towards Europe. And the way what what. Russia's goals are and how they haven't really changed because of their geographical restrictions and they talk about China and he talks about all kinds of really really fascinating stuff to me. I love the that sort of integration of design. Because that's what borders are just lines on a map but then how those designs create practical problems for countries and how also you read this book and he talks a lot about things like seatrade land routes and you think we tend to think in our digital experience that those things aren't important anymore but they really are. You still gotta get food over Mountain. You know you still got again. People places and sort of talks about how I was fascinated to read about how China India share a border and their two countries that hit each other but the probably never go to war because the border is a giant mountain range and nobody can cross it so you can't take an army over it so it'll probably just. They'll probably just keep hating each other from a distance. It's really interesting right. Yeah it's a sort of a reassured. I found it very reassuring to be busy here. A Lotta this bluster from countries on the news or of what's going on. It's like yeah. Some of that's something you should be worried about. And some of it's just like no that's just the way those two countries aren't just always gonNA echoes trying to just how it is perfect great record. I've now read it. I read the accident superhighway so the Donald Superpower is another one that I read on medical stuff. Oh Yeah That would go on to help. Definitely pick up that one. That's good tell people. How can we find you? What's next to you? How can everybody you know tap into the Patrick? Flynn world? Sure my my Handle on on the socials is At unknown penguin across all platforms That's what happens when you pick your social media handle when you're twenty seven and I was So you can find me there on twitter facebook instagram. All that good stuff you can find. My podcast which again is called. 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Now a ways already I gotta find a good one and and maybe I will with different filter but this is this is a I find it extremely valuable for people who wanNA take risks Who can separate themselves from the work that they do and still have ownership of it and it's just. It's a great way to think about working. It's a great way to think about Creating something and and your your insights were really valuable so I greatly appreciate well. Thank you very much. I love doing it and everybody I will link to all of Patrick stuff on bellwether dot com also come out see what events are going on. We're going to be doing. Virtual ones obviously now with with all the corona stuff but More more more is always going to be on bellwether hub DOT COM. Thank you again Patrick. everybody listening and I will see everyone out there so thank you so much for listening. 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Reissue Patrick Foster RTS

Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast

59:57 min | 1 year ago

Reissue Patrick Foster RTS

"Of Records and I think there's a podcast where I talked about this but the first song that really opened my eyes in my life was ring of fire by Johnny cash and I remember being so terrified of that song it would the image. The images were just so vivid. Love Burns you. And that they're those Mariuchi that came in the song and you just kept going down down down and I remember being so frightened by that but it also was you know like the great experience in my life and that opened up my eyes with. Hey there. Welcome to another episode of set listening. Bruce Your podcast. All about Bruce Springsteen is music and mostly as fans. We are day to of rock in the suburb week. as I mentioned yesterday rock in the suburb is one of my favorite podcasts Jim in Patrick have done a great job of over eight hundred episodes and going strong where they talk a little bit about everything Music Wise. They are just someone I really admire and they are doing live event coming up in Virginia this week on marks the fourth. I'm Lindsay and So if you are in the Virginia area near Vienna Virginia March fourth they will be at Jamming Java. So please go and check that out and tell them Settlers Bruce sent you that Jesse sent you but in honor of that. I am going to take the Times that Jim Patrick had been on the show and reissue them. Kind of an honor of that to celebrate There live leak so here is Went I've already yesterday? We talked to Jim Today. We're talking about the time. I had Patrick on the show. So please enjoy hello everyone and welcome to another episode of set. Listening Bruce Your podcast. All about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly as fans. I am your host Jesse Jackson in joining me today. I've completed the set. I had Jim from Dad Rock and now I'm having Patrick From Dad Rock. Hey Patrick how you doing? Hey Jessie how are you? Thanks so much for having me. Oh I'm just so happy I'm going to do everything I can for us. Not to spend about twenty minutes talking about brave Combo. That's another podcast get is to start that because you're one of the First People. I've ever heard of outside of the DFW area. That knows who they are. Isn't that funny and and I was so lucky you know to Have Number One met you earlier this month and number two have been on a of a little bit of a Dad Rock tour For for our podcast Thanks USA Today and we came to Dallas and had such a nice time and You know went to deep ellum and visited all these places and then we have breakfast with you the next morning. And you're such a a wonderful person and I want to thank you again for having me on the show and we totally bonded over brave. Combo in and it's funny because those are that was one of those bands where And and I was talking about this with Jim The other day. How you buy a record based on the cover of record and you have no idea what it is. I remember buying Brave kumble's Po Catharsis album. Just thinking is the best thing I've ever and they're so incredible like they're so good. What I find interesting is Sara Hickman was opening for Miss Molly and the whips. Okay we we Kinda fell in love with Sara Hickman She opened for brave Combo. And we you know and so we saw Sarah Perform and then and this was about the time that poke authorities was coming out. Okay days. Yeah you know happy wanderer and who so my Kisha and and all of a sudden Patrick. These 'cause we're at this venue that used to be a bank and it was ellen's Redo on Greenville and had great sticks and all of a sudden people started moving the chairs and the tables back. That's awesome and my wife are like what is going on. They came out. We're going to POLKA. Yeah we're GONNA poke and so I had shared with you when we had breakfast. That my son's now twenty seven and he was like we need to go see brave Combo again because as a kid I have pictures of him. You Know Dad. It's always a good time to Polka and that Sunday Polka fast like down where the Polka festival and Inez Texas. And when the first time he saw a Christmas tree lot this he's like three or four Polka. That's like I don't know not every not every kid has a Polka band s right. It's a new Christmas tradition in the household so I will include a couple of Links in the show notes you have not heard of Brain Combo And then we'll get to bruce. I promise they are from Texas They have been doing this for years. In fact they just Celebrated and they did a live show at Dan. Silver Leaf up in Denton They were part of the part of the music for David Burns true stories. I think the movie that yeah a series of like tall tales right now. This is the question I forgot to ask you. Just the end and yes folks we will get to Bruce. Yeah we'RE IS DENTON IN RELATION TO DALLAS. That's what I didn't know so it is North of us a maybe twenty minutes at the most I live in Lewisville which is just north of the dfw airport and yet geography Casts and straight up thirty five. You will run at the University of North. Texas is up there and They have a huge music School so that's where they started and they do they do rock and roll Polka. It isn't a parody at all. Carl finch who is the head of the band has a really good ear for hearing you know. I think this standard would do well as a walk right. Yeah and you know like if anyone out there you know in in my opinion wants to start somewhere look up. Brave combos cover of people are strange by the doors. Because it's such a brilliant interpretation of that metal. You know it it's it's genius restraint. Guzzler Women with get your on one. St Down Combat Straight now in revamped Australia. Stray Dan Patrick is part of the USA. Today on Dad Rock podcast and they did just have you. Are you recovered from the road trip? You Know Jesse. I'm just over. The South by southwest. Last road trip flew in some finally starting to feel human again. Yeah it was. It was a lot of work but it was a lot of fun. And you know we were really lucky to be able to to visit all those towns and then I gotTa admit a man of my age was pretty tired when I got down to Austin so we did see a lot of fun shows there and Fell in love with Margo Price Who was a country singer You know crushed on her. A little bit saw some really fun bands and and we. We had a great time. I won't sign up for that again. But it was the next question. There's a whole series of podcasts and blogs on this basically Jim and Patrick and their trusty sidekicks they rented a baked potato as it was the airstream and they instead of flying you know they took. This went through all these different cities. You KNOW MEMPHIS AND NASHVILLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA. And so what should have been? I guess a half day travel ended up a week right right. It was it was. It was yeah. It was total of seven days. Asheville North Carolina also is great and we had such a great time in Dallas You know we went to deep Ellum as I said in saw some really nice clubs and we saw heavy metal Mariachi band and we had We had a great breakfast and we slept in the camp. Ground there in Dallas which is really nice Better than Memphis were the night before when we thought the river might come up on our trailer. So we do a cutting with kamikaze move with our iphone flashlights. And get it out of there because there is flooding in in Arkansas and Tennessee so That was the one night we stayed in hotel but other than that it was. It was a great trip and A lot of fun in Austin and I guess you could have had a week to recover. Maybe and I don't know as time passes. You might remember all the fun part of it so you might go okay. Well maybe we do too. I'm sure the tales are GONNA grow taller. But as I told you Jesse when we met up next next time if we do it again if we do the road trip which I think we should do but I think when we all get down to Austin we all sort of you know sleep for a week like you said we go to the festival but we'RE GONNA pick we're going to pick one of our Our dedicated You know solid people in each town and we're gonNA pick you up in Dallas and drive you down to off nights so get ready then. That sounds fine so let's go back to your origin story. So where did you grow up? What kind of music did you listen to your family? Listen to And then we'll get to your bursts story absolutely and Thanks for asking I have kind of an unusual story. I guess in some ways I was raised. Mostly by my mother My Anti I grew up where I live now in northern Virginia. And I've I've certainly seen it change a lot but I was essentially raised by my mother and some very strong female presences in my life. My Grandmother Sadie who my oldest daughter is named after my aunt and two aunts who were very strong and my mom might my father. Unfortunately I lost when I was five years old so I didn't really noam so grew up with this really strong sort of female element and I've always carried that through my life and I think there's a lot of synchronicity in the fact that I have three daughters Who are now. Let's see twenty six twenty two and sixteen and if anybody wants to trade the sixteen year old problems for like the five year old problems. I'd be happy to do that right now. living my third female daughter is just about on me in. Patrick do know that it gets better. I do know that there is We only had the one. He is now twenty seven right Been through it I know it is. It is just In fact I share that with a lot of people I meet in fact. We've talked on a couple of times of the podcast where I've had fans have teenage sons and daughters and I kinda tell them you know you'll they'll get past that and you get to be you you do a different relationship but getting through it is not easy and it's so funny. You say that Jessica's I was as I was listening on today. I was listening to one. You did recently with an. I'm sorry I don't remember his name but he was an English teacher and He taught some. He taught thunder road. I think in one of his classes yet. J Such a great story that he was like He was trying to like Keach springsteen to like sixteen year olds in Seventeen Gastaut. God bless you man. What a great man you are for doing that. You know like that's exactly the experience I had that was so magical and I just. I thought it was so great that he was doing that. But but basically Jesse he was you know surrounding himself with these teenagers all the time and I just can't imagine right there so crazy so anyway yeah My mom and my aunts and and the big turning point for me was johnny cash. My mom had a collection of Johnny Cash records and I think there's a podcast where I talked about this but the first song that really opened my eyes in my life was ring of fire by Johnny cash and I remember being so terrified of that song it would the image. The images were just so vivid. You know that love Burns you and that. They're those Mariuchi horns came in the song is you just kept going down down down and I remember being so frightened by that but it also was you know like the great experience in my life and that opened up my eyes to music That had the power to to frighten and move you So mmediately and that was my kind of introduction to music and I came of age in the early nineteen eighties so I was lucky enough to experience a lot of different things. I was very influenced by punk music. But also at the same time. The WHO and Bruce springsteen remind like guiding. Light's through through it all. Do you remember the first time you heard Bruce? I do and I was thinking about this today. And it's GonNa it's GonNa seem weird on what I'm about to say but I was really lucky in the sense. That I was I was And this is the other thing too not to answer the question really quickly and Emma can edit this podcast but You know The same episode. I was just talking about right. You guys got onto the theme of did you have an older brother and your responsibility and older brother was attorney. Siblings on so unusual for me. my dad has said. I lost when I was really young and didn't really know him but I had to a older half brothers and half sisters and I remember a day that I was reading a an old copy of I was messing around my my mom and dad's a room You know it's still my dad's things in my mom's room essentially when I was about I don't know twelve thirteen years old. Something like that and I remember coming across the Lake magazine of the profile of my brother. My half brother and he He was in turn out to be an Episcopalian Minister of all things and he was working at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor at the time and he was using The WHO's Tommy as parable and he also talked about The influence of a young singer songwriter who had played in Ann. Arbor called Bruce springsteen and He had an album out and at the time. You know this is article is probably like eight nine years old right Shir. I thought Bruce's first album or like curren album was greetings from Asbury Park. I didn't know that he had like other records out. And so I you know actually talked to my mom about this and and she was like Oh sure and What she did was signed me up for the Columbia Record House Club. She was like the worst twelve for a penny yet. Your entered into this like contract of indentured servitude essentially so the first album I ever got was greetings from Asbury Park and I still have that record. Even though born to run was out and you know all this other stuff was out and that that was the first record in. Interestingly enough you at the time Manfred Mann had had a hit with blinded by the light. Yes so that was kind of my introduction To although you know when I got a little older and when he really started to matter to me Nowadays I look back. It'd be like a weird that I like Weird Bob Dylan sort of invitation record. He was going to do but that was. Isn't that weird that was my first as Picked up the river and was like wow and like everyone else. Hungry hard on the radio and kind of found things so Yeah it is weird eighty four. The world discovered him and right now is right there with them. That was my world to and You know it was working at a record store at the time and I talk about this a lot on on our podcast music. Land and Just do experience. What happened when that When that record blew up and that was my my first Bruce Concert. I was so lucky that You don't have an older friend. Who worked at the record store who lived in Falls Church where I grew up? And he knew another guy who was such a springsteen fanatic. This guy called Jerry Richard and he was kind of springsteen mentor and he was so into Bruce and how big he thought he was going to be incorrectly that he bought tickets to one of the. You know legendary Bruce Springsteen ten shows at the meadowlands to now you know to start the born in the USA tour and we had tickets to the third night and that was the first time they ever saw on. And how credible I mean it was one of the most formative experiences of my whole life and He did. Tom Waits Jersey girl that night which you know which later became a standard for him but that was I think the first or second time ever done it and Gosh you know maybe. My memory is clouded with rose colored glasses but I just remember hearing that but I also remember You know so many songs. We are actually sitting on the side of the stage so we got about one third of the show when Bruce turned our way be spiritual than everyone else but those moments were incredible and it was during it was during Cadillac ranch that I remember very specifically when he turned toward us and Clarence had the real big deep. You know sort of baritone saxophone during that song it was magical moment. Isn't Jad that was a great story Well how about you? How many times have you seen you know? I've Seen Bruce Springsteen in Khartum is Jesse seven times. Okay that's good. Yeah and You know what's weird about it and I'll talk about this as we as we as we get further into my psyche. Last time I saw him was on the tunnel of love tour. Wow Right. Isn't that interesting? And and you know in a couple of the pods that I listen to you know today and I'm trying to be a good a good podcast listener and also you guys crank at you. I mean you've cranked out so many good episodes and unfortunately like it's interesting to this is a little bit of a sidelight Jesse these days. It's like podcasts. Are like great records to me right. Yes I didn't know about your podcast until Jim told me right. You had Jim as guest. And that's a great episode. I would encourage everyone who wants to understand this podcast and also dad rock to go back and listen to Jimmy Allen Hands episode right and you can the pieces together as Jesse said you've completed the set now shooting Mary. We gotta get married Mary. That'll be interesting. I'm not sure but Mary springsteen history that would be really good show and I would listen to that. I also just her just because you don't have to be a springsteen fan. I do other shows but I just Yeah I joked I WanNa get everyone that was from USA. Today that went to the show right. I just WANNA collect the whole set in and the whole crew again. We can make that happen. Okay good But what I was GonNa say was one you know one of the ones. I was listening recent show so essentially to step back. You know what you do is Oh man I just found out about this great band. GonNa go back and listen to all of their albums so you so you slowly start to consume them and one of the interesting themes that came up to me. Was You know number? One is how many times you've seen bruce of badge of your spring Stephen Fandom really interesting theme and number two circumstance place such a big part in you know happens with shows right and I You know right around the time by Jesse you're GONNA have to convince me that tunnel of love and lucky town or good springsteen albums I don't think they are and that's really where I started to go sour but also around the time I start to work more professionally as a journalist and started you know understanding that had to be broader and had to learn about more stuff and had to go see different shows and I was going to professionally. You know be paid for this job. I had to be had to be less biased and more fair and appreciate you know everything from like. I don't know boy bands too. You know pop music to to whatever you know so and search circumstances just began to dictate that I didn't have the opportunity to seize springsteen tours and even when he did stuff that that I desperately thought was so genius leg. The ghost of Tom Joe again like doing woody. Guthrie songs folk music by himself and touring small theaters and all that it just never worked out and then it became like a superstition thing for me where it was like a mess. Bruce's vibe like it's going to mess it up and I had these beautiful memories in my early days so I haven't gone back in and I'll have to admit that I've never ever been more tempted then to go. See The river tour but again circumstance played into my hands. I was Outta town when it came to DC. So it wasn't able to go so I'm kind of following that now not to be an apologist but no no no. I'm proud of my number seven. I've had several people say this on the show and I totally agree. The the number of shows is not a accurate barometer barometer of your love for the music or the man absolutely end so but it is Kinda band and it's you kind of run and a people don't if you aren't a Bruce Fan. I think a lot of people go. Well why would you see anyone that many times You know there's people that have over two hundred Dave Marsh who has written several books by him and whose wife is Bruce's manager. You said that if you can count your amateur which is such a typical Dave Marsh Eric and statement absolutely nothing against Mar. But he can be a little there. Sometimes I would say more than a little totally agree with you on that definitely in and you know when we met to just to kind of close the loop on this topic. I was so touched by your story of your son on U- UN go into the show Being excited about it I am I think. So if you have a meaningful experience with springsteen means a lot worse than times than how many times you go I'll absolutely and in a lot of ways and I have said this before you know. My son is He's graduated from college. He is working. He just got promoted to a new role at his company. He is evidently great But he doesn't read books. And he's not obsessed with Bruce springsteen so I gotTa See as a dad though we did go. We went and saw superman vs Batman Batman versus Superman this last weekend together and he was like. Hey there's no one else we're going opening weekend you and me and I don't WanNa see anyone else for you. Well you know. It's it's funny to talk about that Jesse that To you know to kind of go back to the family thing I was I was proud of myself if my parents my mom and my aunts when I got to be in high school and later years if they were offended by stuff I was listening to. I was so happy I did it right. Yeah this is. What Sam Phillips meant? You should upset your parents so that that he that he goes shows is great and I've taken daughters to a remember famously. Chicken my daughters to a To a Ralph Stanley concert that I was reviewing because I just thought they need to see this icon of Bluegrass name. Both fell asleep within like three songs. I tried you know Pendulum talks a lot about that on his podcast. The Bow. You know you're you're you. You shouldn't be listening to your parents music. Exactly you know it is as it is and And so it is that that generation thing Speaking of family I don't know. Did you see the clip of Bruce Dancing with his mom though at Madison Square Garden? I did not really yes there is. It's it's absolutely my wife who is not a major Bruce Fan. In fact at time she will say to staff to be another Bruce Story because down that There and I'm doing the PODCAST. Does it have to be another Bruce Story said. I promise you'll WanNa see this and I guess she was at Madison Square Garden And she started dancing immediately. And there's a clip. There's two different scenes but the first one I you end up seeing is there. They film her dancing by herself. And then you go and you see Bruce on stage and he motions to Patty and Stephen 'cause you figure Stephen and have been friends for so long you know that's Mama springsteen right And they start smiling. Bruce comes over at the end of Ramrod in dances with her How nice and then he he. He whispers center and they both turned their their they face their backs to the audience and they both wiggle their butts and my wife's like okay. Just how cute is that? This is ninety year sixty six year. Old Man actually does that. Yeah that's amazing. Those Italians Manley exactly. You've got this superstitious about seeing him and I also think I like your thought about circumstances because you know when you're raising a family you put your kids. You know schedules ahead of yours. Do you know because and I know you especially. You're feeling the sports love right now or the sports the beatdown day You know and so. There's there's literally in Sports and Cub Scouts and you know I don't you know I was lucky or unlucky enough. I didn't have a girl so I just understand in concept this. You know gymnastics away for US doctor. You know Although I will say because of those long drives for travel soccer. That's helped me catch up with set lessening so I would have Gerry Nice and you know I and I don't WanNa you know WanNa seem gushy. Jesse. I think you're soon doing such a great thing around telling the human stories around springsteen it means a lot and I think springsteen fans you know should really tried to listen to your Your body of work as a whole because it really weaves a fabric and what I was thinking about When before I was trying to prepare is that you know I Russe has been a really good New Yorker throughout his whole life you know and you think about the rising and you think about how he's been you know kind of an ambassador for New Jersey. Yes all these things right you know. He's been a good on his been such a good ambassador for the bank for his roots in the things he he came up with and I think he's written in so many like American vernacular styles and it was like trying to prepare meticulously for this and I was thinking about how he You know imitated son record sound on a lot of outtakes and a lot of things on and I'm hoping you're GonNa ask me about my favorite songs because I have one story to tell about that. But but You know I just think he to me. He is on par with Bob Dylan as an American songwriter. I mean I think he's that important and you're doing an amazing job by bringing together so many disparate people to talk about their stories and thank you for letting me ramble on about Bruce because he means a lot. Well you know Patrick. That's I try to talk to the our fans and you know people are I'm consciously I spent a year as a life insurance Salesman and I was horrible at it but One of the things that they talk about is you're always prospecting right now and I am always looking for guests. I mean I am anytime I have someone posting a story or talking about it and and they'll say why don't have anything to share and I go. Yes you do. Just I want to hear your springsteen story I WanNa hear about you. You know being a convertible with your hair blowing in the wind or among and you know I have a young Guy Andrei who's nineteen. He lives in Canada. He just did a research paper on Nebraska and he said I'd send it to you but it was in French and so in a couple of weeks he's going to be on and we're GonNa Discuss Nebraska and I told I told Jay the litter. You know the teacher talking. I said you know I'd like once a month rest. The conduit literally bent on Springsteen as a poet or storyteller and kind of covered the way we doing your English class. And so yeah and then just I just love getting the different people that You know they're a wide range of people. Some people have never seen him. Some people have seen him over one hundred times but I don't know I'm biased. But I don't know if there's another artist that has this kind of passion. I guess the grateful dead certainly had the people you know following them this whole cottage industry of tourism. But I don't know of too many others. Maybe pro jam right. Maybe yeah. That's a good comparison. I think on the grateful dead. You know is a really good comparison. Yeah passionate wise and and I think there are other people But you know you could mix mother arguments. But I but I think you're right. I just I don't think there are many people that worked on his level and how many people have been maintained such a high quality level through all these years. You know as we've talked about. I mean he's still going strong. People are still excited about You know seeing the river to her at the incredible it is and You know I think that you know wrecking ball and magic Working on the dream maybe not so much I have a friend. Who's theory is Did he'll do a really good album. The Al he does a follow up album far away that it's not as strong but But yeah I think it's really amazing. And supposedly it's got a solo album in the can that yeah amount so well you know. That's why I think you know to me there. There aren't any American songwriters You know there are on par with him. Bob Dylan saying he's on par with Bob Dylan is pretty much saying. He's invented as much of American vernacular. Yeah Event Yeah I do so You set it up. Perfect Album'S SONGS. That mean a great deal for you. Well you know. I debated this Jesse today and Yes well and and so. I texted my wife and I said What's my favorite Bruce Springsteen Song? I was so stunned and she sent a couple of jokes back at me. What we landed on Out Comeback. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say the name of the song and then I'm GonNa come back to it because I want to mention some others but Because it's you know it's like being in an apple orchard and asked to pick your favorite apple. It's impossible so we landed on Rosalita and I'll and I'll come back to that for for a couple of reasons but I want to mention a couple other songs Probably one that that probably struck me the deepest of all the spring songs that I know is on born in the USA. Sorry folks in. It's called I'm going down and You know this song. I'm sure people do I was a senior in high school when this album came out and had a girlfriend for a couple of years. And if if you guys go back and listen to the data rocket episode on born to run you'll learn a little bit more about this person but She was in you know. In retrospect Jesse really nice girl right and I probably wiser than her age because I was a year older than her It was the late summer of Nineteen eighty-four the born in the USA tour was coming to to the Washington area. I had seen him in New Jersey in all about Bruce and I bought her a ticket and we were going and it was a big deal but I was about to go away to college maybe like two weeks later and I think that we both knew while this kind of coming to an end and You know that song really means a lot to me Down you know. It's about the souring of a relationship. And how you know things that were once really exciting. Sort of lost their their Flame but you know we. We managed to get up for it one more night and like instead of being snotty and mean to each other. We actually sort of recognize that this is don but why not you know like have fun. In the moment we're in like I met well by byner ticket. And she loves Bruce and probably was morrison him or like other people around me and was happy to you know at least use. Use Me as a thing and so we kinda celebrated the good things about our brief fling when that happens in highschool to really weird but we sang along to the song like three times in a row we kept reminding it And listening to it again. I love. I'm going down And the other one I want to mention too is Candies Room off of Darkness on the edge of town I used to walk to school every day high school and I would wake up and get dressed and go to pick up my friend and we would walk together but four. We would leave pawn candies room every morning to get kind of fired at like. Here's a tough song You know we gotta be like guys that women like at is great according to Www my boss time dot com. Okay I don't know if you've ever checked that out it is what's that again is. Www my m. y. voss time dot com okay and it has a database and you pick the like in your case this seven shows you've seen And then it will give you statistics real and like I have heard forty four percent of greetings from Ashbury Park. Wow yes I've heard one hundred percent of born to run obviously one hundred percent of the river but ninety two percent of born in the USA. I'm going down is the only song I've never heard lots. I'm on the website right now and I just loaded it. Oh my God. I'm never gonNA leave this. This is Fascinat- Now. I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA come back to Rosalita. I want to say one more. I want to mention one more really obscures Princeton Song. Okay maybe not so obscure but to me kind of unusual Love the tracks box set. If fans up there no that it contains some really really fascinating stuff for me like another reason. Jesse I compared Dylan. And springsteen is that Dylan would often you know? He'd have a melody because he kinda he Kinda Group A woody. Guthrie imitate their right and in the folk tradition. You would take a melody and you would change the words around. I mean this is essentially how you know This land is your land was composed right. You know in the Carter family. Did it all the time they these and put different words to it and and Dylan did it all the time. Because that was his tradition so he would take a melody and put three or four different sets of lyrics to it and on the tracks set. You can really hear Bruce doing the same thing right. He has different melodies that he puts different and and I would certainly encourage everyone to go on there and listen to the original version of Born in the USA then he cut in the Nebraska sessions. But there's a song in there called Frankie and and I knew it by another name. I can't remember what it was. I had some sort of weird bootleg cassette that that that Guy Jerry. Richard that I mentioned gave me but I once and I have to tell this story so after I ended the relationship with the gun. I'm going down girl. I was working later as I often talk about on the podcasts at music land at a mall in a had a crush on a girl that worked at the hallmark store. So I thought it'd be really slick at the time to take the poetic lyrics of this. Song Frankie Bruce Springsteen Song and so I thought it was really slick. I went to the hallmark store. I bought a card. Just totally stole Bruce's lyrics like all of them. I said for you and I you know I wrote this card because I've just wanted to go out with a girl and date like a charm. It was a great. It was a great thing Turned out we didn't hit it off but I just love that Song. Very much to this day is awesome. Yeah and I like Johnny bye-bye to me is one of the greatest springsteen songs ever because What a brilliant sort of Sun Records Amish that is in. It's like a minute and forty five seconds. bruce expressing his feelings about the death of Elvis which affected him very very deeply. Yes you know in seventy seven and man what a great who what. How much of an artist you have to be to express your feelings that way. I think most people would go out and get drunk and and you know feel sad about it but he actually focused all his feelings and made this incredible. You Know Sun records like single. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go back quickly to resolutely. So I think that you know to me to take a little step back My first my first band was kiss kiss and grew into the WHO and I remember when I started high school. The WHO was like my big band Patrick which kiss kiss alive of and as far as my was my album rollover the story rock-n-roll over alive live too big for me my very first concert with kiss alive to tour. God bless my mother appea- she actually took me to this day. Every time I ever talked about Farner is my first but kisses my first real concert after I if you had a cold your friends go you sound like on Beth thing for us thank you. It was awesome. That was the best thing ever did you ever. I never did make up a firm nor deny okay. GonNa move on Patrick. Let's do that and so when I was in high school like the WHO was my big band but who was a rock band you know Jesse they were. They were like hard rock man with with graphics in style and everything and springsteen was a poet you know he was He was ingenious poet. And you know I'm not gonNA deny the fact that I've not copped his his lines. You know to try to be To try to be more of a swab kinda romantic you know and I was interested in girls For a long time and I think you know Many people have said this but escape and freedom and finding a connection with somebody were you know obviously huge teams in his music but to me you know and you can take born to run as an example right. You know. We're going to like get on the highway and we're going to get out of this town to simplify it but to me. It was a little different. I think. That springsteen represented personal freedom. He represented to me the fact that you could create personal space with someone else and you could shut the world that way. And that's what Rosalita always represented to me in kind of a crystallization right. Come out now rosie. You know like right off the bat just if you can just get away from your family for you hours and be with me. You know. We'll have a whole world there together and just the fact that it's an epic song and You know my car is stuck. In the swamp but swamps in Jersey. Just want get to you. But it's stuck on liberate to compensate. You don't WanNa be your man someday. We'll look back on. This all seemed funny. Donna yeah that that to me it just epic and sprawling in the tempo changed in the mood change and it was an opera you know to me essentially and and and the thing that really crystallized for me is that my youngest daughter. Who's now sixteen? You know the big soccer player. That's her favorite song. She said To us you know how many times I mean. She's a Justin Bieber Fan. But also she understands springsteen in the same way and said to us like put that on like that's a compromise piece of music and and and for me that means a lot you know. I think she understands that the same age. She's trying to create that same freedom even though you know what you and I grew up with Jesse as far as Interpersonal relationships are so different. Like you remember us to actually have to call up You know somebody's house and speak to their parents before you actually got the person you want her to talk to you. Couldn't like text them or snapchat him and now ask and for that freedom. I talked in an earlier. Podcast of we were the eighties reboot overdrive which is on the South Gate Media Network. That I'm on with and we went through movies of the eighties you know. Pick our favorite movies and Ordinary people is one of mine for nothing else than the Timothy Hutton. Scene where he calls Liz of the government and asking her for a date and the joy he shows when she said yes. So Patrick. I don't and I'm going to sound an old fart. But Hey this is dad rock. I don't do that anymore. I don't know I think Haiti. WanNa go out and but that you're you're sitting there trying to think what you're GonNa say and you dial that number and you like. Oh it's not her. It's her dad. Oh no can I talk to her. And then you get where Jesse you're talking. And then when she says yes there is such an that movie shows that joy. You're just like yes And so I I totally get that I totally get that feeling And it is a song that is fun when he does it live and there is such a joy in it. And you're right it. Is this epic story. And that's just gap. Well done good choice. Thank you you know Your PA AH says. He knows that I don't have any money. What else can you say any note and and and I think to Jesse to to kind of hone down a little bit further on my connection seeing him on as early as I did and I'm so thankful that it was able to see that you know those tours Twice on born in the USA and Several Times after that And then seeing him in. Rfk stadium that was always like a gem that you know when he hauled it out You know at the end of the show that really made me appreciate the people that had followed him from the beginning but also it. It was it Bruce. I think for me not only showed that poetry could be super passionate and super realistic and relatable to your life. But he also showed me that on a concert can be a one of you know one of a kind once in a lifetime experience no matter how many times you listen to the record and how versity were in the liner notes and how much of a Geeky you're about all the details and the players and everything you can't replicate being there and having that one experience that he would provide you whether it was a story or in a different kind of a version of a song or a weird cover like I got the C. Quarter to three. You know like your youth bonds or got to see Bruce. Do like a motown cover Or whatever it was like so and so came on stage or you know he like remembering one of your podcast you were talking about Bruce certa letting the whole band walk off stage. He grabbed Patty and they did Acoustic Solo version of thunder road at the end of a show. Like stuff like that. Just changes your whole perspective in that. That's what really made me understand the power of live music. I think that's what I owe springsteen more than anything else. What else could you be thankful for than understanding the power of live music and I you know he's also an entertainer and I think it if you've if you haven't seen him live you've not seen it so you have not no so what's it? GonNa take you to go see him again. Patrick? Let's talk on political on my couch. Talk to Dr Jesse. I'll go with you in Dallas. Okay right would make that happen. That'd be awesome. I'll bring my daughter and your son will introduce them. We'll see area. That's so cool. I'll is the tour with the schools. You know it's going. Well I think we've narrowed it down to a few choices that seem relatively sane and reasonable. So I'm hoping my daughter to soccer player. we'll have a decision made by the end of the school year. And that I'd be. I'd be really happy about that and My middle offspring. Mj Is graduating in. May so I feel pretty blessed Nine Front these days. Yeah Mary Guiding. Thank you for asking. And what's coming up on the Dad Rock? You guys have taken a couple of episodes off for other things going on Mary spin doing wonderful. She really has. Yeah and we were talking with Mary today about. I think we might do a violent fans Tuesdays with Mary because she's a big fan of that band and and I was too so We've actually got a couple of pretty interesting things coming up and in one thing I'm really looking forward to is We had done it episode awhile back on one hit wonders in the Nineteen Seventies. And we're finally going to get to the eighties and I have a lot of anguish to release Jesse on this one. Big Good it. What would be a one? Hit wonder the eighties that you would contribute. Ooh Wow now you've got me you know I have to think real quick Or or what I'm really GONNA do. Is Google write songs that like you don't WanNa think about in one thousand nine hundred eighty s and and I were talking about this like we were like? Maybe you don't have enough for the eighties. And then we started talking about it like I was like goody two shoes adamant and then he's like tears fears then all of a sudden. It just started raining down on us. Mickey Wright has to align on Nikki. I forgot about that. Jesse yes yes How many times of seeing that video on my life way too many too much. And you know what's funny is I just googled and VH1 number hundred is your friend of mine clearance. Clements and Jackson. Browne Yeah Red Rockers. Yeah so Ninety you know and one question I wanted to ask and I'm glad you brought that up Jesse. Have you ever seen Did did you ever see or did you ever have an interest in seeing southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes? I have not but I would love to see them. I was so lucky to once. Just sort of fall Bass ackward if we can save it on the podcast in ticket. Southside Johnny New Year's Eve show and it was incredible. Immune this price sometime in the nineties. But you could really feel like Jersey shore spirit. You know that kind of bar band. Big Band that Bruce must have had in the early days it was. It was really cool. I love the I. Don't WanNa go home yes. I think that it's a song I just love. I love that the mindset in everything so and it's interesting to me to How many in this could be another podcast to how many sort of performers you know formed in. Bruce's wake on the there are people like southside. Johnny and You know there was that whole Eddie. And the cruisers movie that was you know loosely based on Bruce's sound. He's really created kind of an industry on which. I think is fascinating in. There was a you know a few months ago We live in Falls Church. Virginia there's a venue state theater that's not far from our house and my wife and I were were sitting around and it was kind of a a slow weekend and there was a show called born in the USA. That was the best. Apparently it advertises. That was the best Bruce Springsteen tour on Best Bruce springsteen tribute show in the US and was tempted. But I held back. I do not WanNa go experience but if you ever seen anything like that Jesse ever. There actually is a local band They call themselves thunder road And I I went and saw them a couple. I guess about a month ago. There was in double bill into the West which was in eagles. Cover band o Laurien a tribute band. I'm not sure I you know there's this whole you know. Do you try to sound like or you. Just play their music and where I M so they were pretty good and I'm hoping to get them where I can go to a practice in kind of octave rehearsal. Patrick if someone wants to reach you how Ganley you know Jesse probably the best thing to do is to reach out to dad rock so he can find Rocking Dad rock that USA TODAY DOT COM Dad Rock show gmail.com. You can find us on twitter and the facebook and We have a hotline. But I think you know the best thing to do probably is Is just sent an email You can find me on twitter at Vive Vive Mr Patty. So it's T. H. E. M. R. P. A. T. T. Y. and Look for me there Generally pretty responsive I'm going to reverse the The love fest. I Adore Yaas podcast. I there. Is You know I found you because you guys were talking about born to run and I think the key to a podcast is you have to like the people that are talking. And you feel like you're in the room with them and I love hearing y'all's discussion. I listened to the holiday episode a couple of times Y'All telling the stories of the different You know Christmas songs has enjoyed and and there was some really diverse ones and that was a lot of fun I we I talked to Jim. Right before I recorded him. I had listened to your off the wall in and I thought it was a great discussion to remind what a good musician he was. Because I think the end of his life in the weirdness can distract from the music artists. 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September 23rd: Mary Szarmach and Lisa Hudson

Mornings With Gail - 1310 KFKA

29:48 min | 7 months ago

September 23rd: Mary Szarmach and Lisa Hudson

"This is mornings with Kayla Northern Colorado's voice 1310. Kfka. Well any number of the ballot initiatives to contend with and we Endeavor to bring you up to speed on everything that you need to know about among them something known as a prop e n k f k a 13-10 kfka Northern Colorado Foust mornings with Gail from the auto collision specialist Studios. All right rights, Marianne, Goodland Colorado politics with a 3.3 billion dollar cut to the 2020-21 state budget and less Revenue available in future years efforts by democrats to move forward on major agenda items such as preschool education have pretty much skidded to a halt enter proposition ee which if approved in November would hike taxes on Tobacco products and Levi the first-ever tax on vaping juice. They launched their campaign. Oh, I would say about mid-september bringing along their most prominent supporter none other than Governor Jared Polis joined this morning by Marian Gallagher. Sorry Mark senior vice president of governmental and external Affairs and a co-owner of Smoker Friendly and gas Amad headquartered in Boulder. Mari welcomed the show. Thank you Gail. Certainly. Appreciate your taking the time. I have a feeling what your stance is on Prop Eve, but I'll let you tell us wage. Well, yeah, you're probably right on my stance on your intuition there. We obviously do not support proposition, you know, it seems like a good return. Our legislators come back to tobacco and it's called the go to syntax. Obviously. It's for the kids. It's it's for the Kids Choice. Absolutely and you know, by the way where we are a family business as you mentioned for Generation, Colorado family, we have three generations working in our business and we love kids, but I guess if in fact some of our taxes really went to the kids, we feel a lot happier than it going to the black hole like our legislators always take it off. You're you're absolutely correct and couldn't it be argued. I pulled another piece by Kevin Grantham out of Colorado politics and his point I thought was quite Stark he's off like a low blow amid covid-19 because couldn't be argued. This is a regressive tax. Absolutely and you know as our economy is recovering from covid-19. Yep. We we were able to continue to employ all of our employees nearly eight hundred of them across the country during all of this covid-19. Mail about what this would entail if it would pass sure. So I'll start with the cigarette category and Thursday. So basically the proposition would increase the price on the tax on cigarettes at state-level. Currently. We're at $8.40 at the state level and 10:02 at the federal level. This would increase the state taxes from 8:40 by eighteen dollars a carton back to 2440. I'm sorry 2640. So just in tax and then that's another piece in this proposition that was put in in conjunction with the health Advocates and the governor. And big tobacco which is is kind of a slap in the face, but it's a price floor on cigarettes at seven dollars per pack and $70 per carton Thursday, January one 2021 is passes and then on January one 2020 for that price for would raise to seven fifty and seventy five dollars a carton now that is let me explain that just a little bit that's totally different than the tax initiative it just written in there that this would happen. So if you could imagine Gail wage if we had a floor price on vehicles, let's say in the state of Colorado. And by the way, no other state has this and you could go out and you the off the floor price on a Mercedes sedan and the floor price on a Kia sedan where the exact same price. Totally anti-competitive, but but let's just say they are which car would you choose? Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I'm sorry, why do I Envision the steady stream of cars heading up to Wyoming? Well you have it's kind of like lately. It's kind of like be careful what you wish for it here because okay I'll sensibly and we all know that the money would go into the black hole that you know is the state legislature but it seems to me many would consider quitting smoking at the at those prices. So what are you really accomplishing here? Right, you know and many times the health Advocates like to to show numbers that yes, you know, the the number of smokers go down in a stage of the prices escalate. The fact of the matter is we have had about 24 million smokers in the United States of America for the last several years. Is eight to ten years albeit smoking less because you can't smoke as many places obviously, but as some quit some start the number still a pretty consistent and to think that cigarette smokers won't find another way to get cigarettes albeit driving to Wyoming whatever it might be that they're just wrong. I mean and and New York has proven that California has proven it over and over again now and you know Colorado loves for calling the the Left Coast and so that is that is kind of where they get a lot of their ideas. Unfortunately. Yes the Californication the Colorado off. Yeah, and then to move on to the other tobacco. I'll just quickly we are at 40% on other tobacco products of the wholesale list price that would increase 12 months. Percent to 62% of the wholesale list price now. I just want to give you a comparison on that recreational. Marijuana is at 25% of the wholesale list price. Okay. Wow, so it's pretty incredible. I have you seen an increase in smoking during covid-19 or are you by the way Mary Gallagher Zama a senior vice president of governmental external Affairs co-owner of Smoker Friendly and gasamat headquartered in Boulder. Now, we've you know, we've heard all of the ways in which we're coping through covid-19 some healthy some well not so much but we've seen increases in alcohol sales. Have you seen that? I've come across any number of pieces that say yeah more of us are smoking crack. Yeah. We definitely have seen an increase in volume over the board. Although I do think people were a little bit doing a little Pantry loading because they didn't suck. You know if they were going to be allowed to be out and about I also think our stores did a little bit better because our consumers felt very comfortable in our stores because they're small they knew em, you know, they know they know our managers. We only let three to five consumers in at a given time. We took all the CDC precautions immediately before they were even talked about wage and I think so I think our storage did well, you know, especially during the the height of the pandemic if you will when the stay-at-home orders were really in place. But yeah, we we have seen and again back to my earlier comment. I think people have a little more time to enjoy whether it be alcohol or marijuana or tobacco products because they're in the quiet of their own home and they could go in their own backyard and enjoy a cigar or cigarette. Yeah, whatever their particular device might be not judging you have table. But no for your money no on proposition, please. Yes, that's just not good for Colorado. And and the other the last point I will suck cuz you know immediately the proponents of proposition talk about that. The money is going to go to education and the money is going to go here and the money's going to go there to break into preschool. Well, the reality of that is that it probably if ever it'll be at least two years after 3 years before there's any funding for preschool a tiny little bit will go to Tobacco cessation. And so a large amount will just go down to the black hole again most of it as we've seen in the past. I mean, why would they make any changes now? Right, right. It's it's an easy thing to pack. And you know, I'm not a I'm not a proponent of tax and spend on anything but I do think tobacco has taken a beating on taxes at every at every level and you know, we're even seeing it as low down to Colorado now and and different bands. So it is it is we have a Target on our backs. No question about it. Yeah. Absolutely Mary Gallagher Czar Mac senior vice president of governmental and external Affairs and a co-owner of Smoker Friendly and gasamat headquartered in Boulder with a big no on Prop e e r. Thanks so much for your time your insights your perspective certainly do appreciate it. Thank you. Gail was a pleasure. Yes for a great day you to 8:19 now 1310 kfka, no cold now weekdays and for another Colorado's voice 1310 kfka Turn into the whole show at noon and no code now at 4 back to mornings with Gayle and Northern Colorado's voice 1310. Kfka. 829 out thirteen ten k f p a 13-10 k f k a.com Northern Colorado's voice willing to scale live and local via the auto collision specialist Studios. Wow, great job this morning Ryan, Ryan behind the glass at the con doing his level-headed best to keep me between the lines this morning and Ryan and I were just talking during the break that yeah, it's been a busy show. Well, we're not done yet. You want to stay with us Lisa Hudson with the East Colorado. Thank you. Thank you very much with the East Colorado spdc joins us at about 8:35 a.m. This morning host of things going on there that sure you'll probably be very interested in 8:30 now 1310 kfka Jim Patrick. The whole show and Colin Cowherd Aaron Northern Colorado's voice 1310. Kfka the day's headlines podcast the mornings with Gayle and more and more schedule of upcoming Sports broadcasts find them at 1310. Kfka He's Colorado sbdc doing the pivot and being available to so many businesses. You'll be astounded at the number of businesses that the East Colorado sbdc has helped out this year alone joined by Lisa Hudson director of the East Colorado. Sbdc. Hey Lisa. Hey Google. How's it going? You know, it's going great. How about you it's going good. You know, we've just been staying so busy at East KO and we've got some really exciting programs coming up in the last quarter of the Year. Well, that is so a good to hear as you done such a great job being of such tremendous assistance to so many particularly during a time of covid-19. Let's start with the weld Recovery Fund. Yes. So this is a grant program provided to Weld County small businesses, and it's up to The $25,000 and what's really cool about this program is it's going to be the dollars can be used towards costs that you've incurred and it can also be used for lost Revenue due to covet so if you're a small business owner, if you haven't lost due to covet I would be surprised there's so many that have been affected this year. So this is a great opportunity applications are due by the 30th of September. It's not based on the first come first serve basis and funds will be distributed by the end of October. So this is a quick turnaround great opportunity for some free money back and again available and easily accessible the website weld recovery. Talk a little bit about the the process involved and what we need in order to qualify for those funds. Yes. So the application is all online. It's pretty pretty easy to access to the minimum wage. Vacations for this is you must be physically located in love County. You have to have been established prior to February 1st of this year. You have to be registered with the Secretary of State's office. You have to either have 50% owned by Webb County resident 50% of gross recipients originating in the county or 50% of your employees are Weld County residents. So one of those three and then there's a few other pieces to it, but for the most part it is really, you know available for the small businesses in Weld County. It sounds pretty streamlined. It's not overly complex in order to fill out those online forms. Right and you know it really is and if you need assistance to apply for it call your sbdc or or email us at info will walk you through it. No problem, Talk a little bit about harnessing help. What what how many years have you been doing this program? So we started this program in 2018 when the farm bill. And we're the first sbdc to put this program on and it's a leading-edge course, which is a strategic planning course for Farmers looking to you know, start or create a transition crop of industrial hemp So currently we have two different programs one is a 2 and 1/2 hour segments to really it's very introduction. So we've got an attorney in a box. Grower talking about the crop itself. The second program is a two-day program. That's highly intensive and we're actually looking to move this all virtual this fall for this last quarter of birth. Here so probably split that two-day program into 4/2 days, but you can expect to see more news on that by joining our waitlist at bit off the waitlist. I'm curious about the response to that. I can't help but think that many farmers have taken advantage of this program Yeah. We actually helped thousand two hundred different farming entrepreneurs better understand the hemp crops. So it's been an amazing program and not just colorado-based our last program. We had at March this year. We had I believe or six different states outside of Colorado in attendance. Lisa Hudson is director of the East Colorado spdc 842 now 1310. Kfka 1310 AM Ka let's talk a little bit about that child care for model series. So this is something we received some specialty funding to put on to help businesses or small entrepreneurs Faith stood in starting an in-home or a brick-and-mortar child care facility. So this will be specialized in that industry. It'll be professional development and we will include some of the certification that's required for that industry will be hosting this in November. And another Center in the state of Colorado is developing this program in Spanish. So if that Sparks your interest will have that available as well. And as we come full circle, I was astonished at least as always so great about sending me some background information. So at least I have some idea what we're talking about how much I appreciate that Lisa. But yeah you have met with so many small businesses this year. We have you know, traditionally we only track those that go through our full client registration. But this year we know how important it is to just have the conversation get the information out. I'm so we've also been cracking on a separate report. Just how many of those conversations we've had with small businesses and this year. We've hit 780 780 small businesses down record-setting. Oh, yeah, and we're not even through the year. How many do you typically provide assistance to on an average year so last year we met with just shy of 6 a.m. For the entire year. So it has been a significant increase. Absolutely. I mean, it's just been incredible and we are only doing virtual Consulting right now, but I have found that are no show rate has gone down to practical zero. So it's a good way for us to communicate with clients, you know, it's convenient for them. So I'm really happy where we're able to do this and continue supporting our small businesses and local economy. Well as always no shortage of great things going on at the East Colorado sbdc and again Lisa before I let you go this morning, how do we get in touch? So you should get an email us at info at East Colorado or check us out on the web at East, Colorado Lisa Hudson directories, Colorado. Thank you so much song, please. Thank you Gail. You have a great one. Yep you as well 8:45 down 13-10. Kfka 1310. Kfka. All right and a time of covid-19. Well, Everything's changed. Everything's different. We're all a little bit off balance. Right? Well, it won't be the same but fifty-seven hundred fans will be in my life on Sunday. What's that going to look like will explain in just a few hits on party and Northern Colorado's voice 1310 kfka off block party Wednesdays from 4 to 10 p.m. Are the Nuggets going to leave the bubble soon. Not so fast. We'll discuss it next on the whole show. 1310 k f m a n Are you one of the fifty seven hundred fans that actually will be allowed entry a mile high off on Sunday. Well, it won't quite be the same but at least you'll be there, right? 849-1310 kok a 13-10 kfka off. Com Northern Colorado's voice when he's with Gail via the auto collision specialist Studios pulled a great piece by Sam tabachnik finally figured out how to say his name out of the Denver Post who writes alas there won't be seventy seven thousand fans chest bumping and screaming at the top of their lungs for a defensive stop Sunday inside Empower Field at Mile High, but for the first time since the covid-19 pandemic hit in March, yes, a limited number of Denver's diehards will be able to attend a major professional. Sports events dare I say in person around 5,700 people again are expected to loudly boo Tom Brady. Why wouldn't you and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is the Broncos go from the first when the 2020 season I'm feeling good about this one, aren't you? They can do it going for their first win of the 2020 season Sunday afternoon game day experience young it's going to be a little bit different but here's what to expect. If you are one of the fortunate few going to Mile High. So you arrive at the stadium. Well, sorry, no tailgating in the interests of social distancing the time-honored tradition of a grilling and throwing the pigskin and tossing back a few brewskis before the game and the parking lot. Yeah, open the season Jay Roberts is the stadium general manager. He said we hated doing it, but we weren't comfortable with the day starting out with well everybody dead. Hanging out instead the Broncos requests that those lucky 5,700 fans show up about an hour before kick-off and gas had directly do not need to go to your seats. All Gates will be open but tickets will identify the Gate of entry into the stadium now unlike some teams the Broncos aren't mandating any times but officials say that 5700 people spread out over time across all the gates will eliminate any lines. Oh, yes mask-wearing is dead. I must even though you're outside except when eating. Yes, you're required to wear a mask at all times from the moment you even approach the stadium to the moment. You leave a message after the game. And of course those who are sick. Well, you probably want to stay home the team's fan Health promised bars anyone from entering the stadium if they've tested positive or been exposed to covid-19 in the 14 days prior to Sunday's game or they've traveled to any state or territory that is subject to travel or quarantine advisories due to the novel. Coronavirus. All right. What happens when Nature Calls? And well you need something to eat spacing sanitizing will be plentiful inside of the stadium team set up more than 550 hand sanitizing stations stuff a 39,000 decals around the stadium to enforce six feet of space in concession lines and restrooms. And even though the stadium will only be at 7% off a paucity. Most of the concession stands will be open and the process will be entirely cashless. And as far as the hearnes go. Well the Broncos installed terrorists urinals sinks and paper towel dispensers to eliminate high-touch areas. Now, let's get down to brass tacks. Let's talk about the seating protocols off and watching the game fans will actually be seated in pods with at least six feet of distance between their group and another set of fans seats without bands have been blocked off. With at least two rows of space between groups and well you're advised not to High V or mingle or belly balm for heaven forbid get into a squabble with other fans in the crowd. Robert said the state was really concerned about people meeting in the stadium. Now, if you elect to not comply with all of these rules involving social distancing or mask-wearing. Well, there is an escalation process in place that could lead to basically non-compliant people getting the boot and being kicked out of the game congregation areas around the stadium. Yeah. They've also been closed as well Robert saying we wouldn't invite fans if we didn't think it was safe. So there we go, if you're alone among the lucky 5700 fan palm Will be in Mile High it's going to be good isn't it to see fans in the stands once again and are they going to lose that stupid laugh track? Oh, I'm sorry. It's the cheering and bowing track. I find that just so darn irritating. What are we not smart enough to know when to cheer for our team and to boo for the other team, I mean and found work through that entire protocol that the NFL had set in place when it came to that cheering track that really kind of zombie cheering track that many times as well. Let's just say was out of sync with what was going on on the field and wondering if the players could actually hear that. Well, yes and no because according to the NFL the soundtrack that we here watching it on T listening in to it on the radio is one thing and what the players actually here on the field is dead. Something totally different closing in on 8:56 now 1310 kfka here mornings with Gail weekdays 6 to 9 and Northern Colorado's. 1310. Kfka All right that question still on the table. Again. My Facebook question is your with all of the caterwauling and like hand-wringing and the outrage over the Republicans doing exactly what the Democrats would do if they were in control of the Senate no shortage of hypocrisy going around here on both sides of the aisle, but still interested in your thoughts via Facebook, or you can drop me a text on a 13-10 kfk text line at 31996 asking a question, right President. Trump is expected to nominate a candidate for that Supreme Court seat vacancy. Question is are the Republicans playing with fire in rushing through as some refer to it, or are they just exercising their constitutional right or wrong doing their job as they were elected to do. Will there be consequences as a Chuck Schumer again has well pretty well guaranteed a skirt scorched-earth a campaign of retaliation against the Republicans if they dare to confirm another Supreme Court Justice conversation will most definitely continue stay with jobs. Also, of course as always from noon to 2 and the ever so popular kfka block party gets underway at 4 p.m. So what are you going to change? Hm? Let me think about that for a sec. Yeah. You're going to lock it right here.

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Travels through Trump's America (Encore January 19, 2018)

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Travels through Trump's America (Encore January 19, 2018)

"This is a CBC podcast. Discover what millions around the world already have audible has Canada's largest library of audiobooks, including exclusive content curated by and four Canadians. Experienced books in a whole new way were stories are brought to life by powerful performances from renowned actors and narrators with the free audible app. You can listen anytime anywhere. Whether you're at home in the car or out on a jog the first thirty days of the audible membership or free, including a free book. Go to WWW dot audible dot CA slash CBC. To learn more. I'm Paul Kennedy. And this is ideas. Las Vegas, Nevada. A lone gunman kills fifty evil and wound five hundred more from the window of. Hotel. I guess a sick man with a legally acquired arsenal the shooting has given a clear explanation. It was an act of pure evil. Pure evil is also a convenient way of excising human agency from the massacre and the mass shooting like others before it gets the usual response. Malania praying for every American who has been hurt wounded or lost the ones they love so dearly in this terrible. Terrible attack. When I hear about match like the one in Las Vegas untorn key citing the Roman poet Virgil of on in the man, I see and the Italian done. Abandon all hope you went to. David Zane Meyrowitz is originally from New York, but has been living in Europe for over fifty years. He and his partner the polish radio producer Melgar's yet. Javale recently returned to the US to travel through the south and recorded their encounters inside in America there. Now struggling to understand their documentary is called the God and gun show. Okay. QB sixteen twenty. Nineteen eighty. Twenty all guy are just his need to walk out. Get you back in okay? There you go. Thank you mobile, Alabama twenty four th of March two thousand seventeen collectors and shooters gun show. Admission eight dollars for adults children twelve and under get in free. Thank you. Squeeze push down dropped one in squeeze push. And last rows. No, I'm being shown how to load an assault rifle this terra incognita for me. Even though I was born and grew up in St.. Never been to a gun show before and have never held a real gun in my hands. This gun is called in nineteen eleven because it was patented in nineteen eleven this is in the nineteen hundreds you know, you've heard of well the old Colt. Forty five was revolving. This also shoots the forty five. But you know, it's significant because it was designed and patented over a hundred years ago, and it's still one of the best firearms in the world. You know, this is amazing. An amazing fun. We're in a YouTube whole pack with merchants and buyers ammunition holsters paraphernalia regalia and lethal, military hardware. This place also filling out a form to get a gun licence here where I see teenagers lining up, but I have to admit it has a festive familiar at the sphere. These of the people Hillary Clinton, cold, deplorables, totally at home in their gun show and through to be rid of both Hillary and eight years of a black presidency. This of course is the current issue. AR fifteen that our troops are currently using this one is called the m four, but it's fundamentally AARP fifteen just a shorter body in that kind of stuff similar here with the spec. Ops night-vision and stuff like that the ten clients openly parade their own guns brought from home rightful his soda Matic's. After awhile becomes clear that you can easily make a private sale here, and this way, no one will bother you with an annoying background. Check. Your accent reminds me of our first lady. She is from telling Venus Slovenia. Firstly? I think she's great. I think she's a class act especially in comparison to what we had before. And I think both of them have death. Two. The lady whose accent reminds them of Melania Trump is mellow shot. They. At this point was still on the road to the mobile gun show. It's going to take us the better part of five weeks to get there. Early spring two thousand seventeen would driving through South Carolina, Georgia Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana taking temperature of Trump America in its conservative heartland on the everywhere, we go with a defiant gun culture in triumphant room and a little bit underpinned by nonstop Evangeline goal radio Saint all of his forces waging war against. One of the truth theorist. He's talking about your home life. Your body. Your soldier spinach. Yvonne, you will motions all of that is just waiting. On north and south Georgia's eighty one. It's been fifty years since I left the US to become a card carrying European and later French citizen. For a native New Yorker in the left, we read of baby, no less. I didn't heritage stereotype of the south as hot babes bible belt, ignorance backwardness enforce segregation lynching definite. No, go area. But they cades later here. I am. I'm sitting here with two lovely, folks. Wine from Poland from Israel. Oh, friends. Sorry. We're having lunch should the two cracked eggs cafe in Savannah, Georgia. The owner is Christine Emmerick. I did not like Obama. Did you like and I don't like a bomb? Sometimes let people feel like they're entitled entitled free food at tired of free oil, titled the government housing get out and go to work, and he gave them all self take this outfalls offer them and give them alarm clocks. Let him get up and go to work. But do you think the people we spoke to recruit it on our road in experts professionals? We didn't have to do much with a newfound sense of empowerment, they were glad to share their stories and the political theories, I love, Fox News. Do you watch? Fox news. Believe in abortions it killing innocent life. If you wanna have your baby, you don't wanna give up option. Don't kill it. Not an animal. Christine is Fox News conversations often word for word on absorbed on nuanced repetition of whatever she picks up from conservative media. Part of a family comes from Syria, which he still has relatives she sympathizes with him. But we had to protect our country. I our country's most important is the forefather godly country founded on godly principles. And if it means we can't see them people that we can't I'm sorry. We do wanna make America. Great, don't we? Slogan, but that desire to make America, great, again may not matter very much because we are in the end times the bible says it everybody's fighting and rising up against each other. But even if the end of the world is ni- she still gives a big thumbs up to her president. We are gonna give our freedom for guns. I think everybody should be entitled to have guns. Why not it's a free country? I know guns guns. Don't kill people. I mean people kill I have vices. Lices to carry a gun never had to use it. But I hope I never do never know today's society. It's crazy. Junk people crazy. So that's about it. Guns. Don't kill people. Do that is the cliche that gun lovers? Invoke when preaching to the unconvinced like us. It's often accompanied by another cliche that one good guy with a gun can stop the one bad guy with a gun if teachers had only been on the massacres, American schools, churches and kindergartens been avoiding this kind of thinking the Ribes it's weight and legality from the second amendment. And that interpretation is never question here in the US when they drew up to constitution they had just come out from under the oppression of Britain. And it was a situation where you could not bear arms against to govern. Well, they wanted to make sure that it's the government was oppressive and more taken advantage of. Acl dictatorial type of to ways that wouldn't happen in the United. And that's why we're so fin on keeping the second amendment. Alive and wail in this country. So American gun culture begins with a fear of government, depression, which would've meant after seventeen seventy six a group of men carrying gunpowder muskets defending themselves against the better armed central authority or as an arid Zona official. Put America was formed by a bunch of people on just wanted to be lift alone. So sure that we are on the verge of having taken from us in this waste lick. And that's why people rebel against the Democratic Party. College. They have a history of trying to take two guns away the fear of having quote, our guns taken away four words which preclude any attempt to limit the mentally unstable or even potential terrorists from obtaining a permit. My name is Adam strange. I am the host of a local radio show called armed Alabama. Where we discussed owning firearms self defense and also the law. What would be an explanation for position to people who are on no-fly vists being able to buy guns while I would explain it by mentioning statues, the law, the US constitution, again, no flawlessness is no bearing on the US constitution or your second amendment rights own firearm. If you go through a background check, which every person that baazar firearm does or BAAs a. Pistol permit to carry that firearm or that pistol an S based on a background check ninety one ten at four three nine one. So vying gun people on no fly list within their constitutional rights. What they do with their legally of quiet weapons afterwards is another story. Nineteen ninety four. And now you've got back. Production of Pensacola pass power concert pastors music. This is an ad for enough coming advanced we here in the car, and I we think it's a wrap calm, but it's actually the pensive coma pastors of power a nonstop concert of the coolest creatures and town. Town. Pastor Larry Powell. David johnson. Hill after John. My name is Lisa. I'm office manager in one of the worship leaders for the church in Pensacola, we talked to the worship leader, not the pastor the Reverend of the church, and actually the church isn't the church at all. It's an old movie theater. I mean, surprisingly a lot of your churches in in the United States are are doing this. A lot of your churches will meet in other areas aside from traditional church building. It's kind of a cool factor. If you will. But again, it's also just the fact that it's just a great building a great space. And it's something that's very iconic in the city. So for people to come by and not only see that the Rex is open again. But to see the church is now meeting here and having their services here is very intriguing to people. So it's just an inviting environment on a road. We came to a town of five thousand people which had thirty six guests stations and fifty churches space was at a premium. So this cinema church is probably the future of organized religion in town like Pensacola, and it fits perfectly into the improvise Twitter based historical moment when living in helpfully President Trump is is in there to do a great job, and we're just believing God above everybody else. So I just think Americans in general, we're just hopeful for a good future in and just for a man who will reside over this country with godly character, and wisdom and just really seeking the Lord's wheel in everything. So I mean, personally, just as an American I just I have a lot of hope for the future. So. Despite having Trump in the White House. This still strong sense of being outcast by liberal society and still a total distrust of government among gun enthusiasts beware of liberals parading Americans. That's one of the t shirt slogans that a'merchant called Jonathan has on display at the mobile gun show. The government is a self feeding organism not interested in you. And it's not interested in me. It's interested in itself, just grows and grows like cancer. And it's destroying the host like cancer. But it's the same way all over the world Trump. I think it has a chance he has a chance of making a difference. Maybe baby. We'll see he's making all the right people pissed off. And that's good. He's pissing off. All the right people. Love it. I love it. He's up against everybody. The media the Republicans, the Democrats that the foreign nations foreign countries everybody, nobody likes nobody likes. Nobody likes Trump except for the voters voters loving and the siege mentalities visible on Jonathan's T shirt, which has a single word on it infidel, according to Muslims, according to Muslims, an infidel. Is anyone everyone who is not Muslim? So they don't care if you're a Buddhist or you're a Baptist or you're. No god. At all. You're still an infidel. You know, if you don't believe in this lung, you're an infidel, and therefore you must and we, you know, involved from what it is. Georgia few weeks to four trinity Alabama with listening to a self style and Christian expert on. Dome. Rock I've been inside him. I can't read by no one. When you. Here's what it says. Here's some of the English translations of Arabic. Dome of the rock if. Chris. About exaggerating. No messiah. Mary. Yes, what he's trying to say. Not God stuff. That is the Unda mental inside the main oratory all the ceiling. That's what they're saying. Not at a I'm home that we now have a president. Vomit radical terrorism. And that's one of the first things you need to know how to defeat your enemy is no you're handy. Tony elevates. And you're listening to Pensacola town. One of the main people at the gun show in mobile, Alabama. Come to his stand, specializing in halston us. We over here this conversation between a dealer on the client. I'm not a holster guy. So I was worried about snagging against the t shirt body weight is have you ever heard of anything like that put known on talking about my body teeshirt not being hold still kind of guy. He's concerned that if he carries his gun under his shirt and tuck inside his belt it will snag if he has to draw it quickly his dilemma between holster versus waistband points. Too much broader question in the gun universe. Conceal carry. We talked to weapons instructor Adam strange about it. Okay. So within Alabama you can carry a firearm. Whether is out on your hip, but you can also carry a concealed. Meaning is under your shirt, you had to purchase a permit from your local sheriff, and that gives you permission under the code Alabama to be able to carry your firearms. Concealed. You can do the same thing in Florida. Same thing, Mississippi, Louisiana and all our surrounding states, most states within the United States, you can do that fairly easily except for illinois's and California. In Washington DC residents who want to legally carry a concealed firearm. I demonstrate that they have quoting good reason to fear injury. But second amendment advocates said the low was too strict and the federal appeals court is now rejected that Mulan his unconstitutional. So the concealed carry debate is now on its way to the supreme court. Fail and hard countries station weeks earlier alone, the Florida, panhandle know locally as redneck revere. You see firsthand of strong. The campaign is to be able to keep your guns concealing. We early for anything. Okay. We walking along the pier in the town of Saint Andrews when we come across a house restaurant. What stops us in our tracks? Isn't so much the abundance of Trump Pence paraphernalia, but a sign that says conceal carry Wednesdays, but says concealed carry Wednesday here in the United States. If you have your concealed carry permit for carrying a pistol discount on Wednesdays and United States. Some people can carry a pistol concealed it's called concealed carry or weapons permit. Anyone that has permitted a discount on Wednesdays? And could you explain the slow you pack, the heat we cooked the meat well, heat is slang the United States for a gun. So if you bring your gun, we'll cook your meat. Issue over visible holster versus concealed carry doesn't. Even hint the questioning the need or right to carry a weapon of old, and what's striking is that every mass shooting gun legislation actually becomes LUSA in two thousand twelve right after the sandy hook elementary school massacre Ohio allowed concealed carry weapons to be brought into daycare centers in airports. What are you doing? Idea sweetwater. The siege mentality on the Trump hus- against them gives way conspiracy theories and mucho fantasies of power and violence with without fire on yellow. Goofing we met for sitting outside a bar in Pensacola. Good man, sixty down out sleeps street. Young leave one. Go police have he says his idea way. You never leave. No more. He's penny lick. Homeless and toothless, but not hopeless. Trope Trump day. He's like. I feel very very secure job is great. Great that he's. Robert less made his living as a bricklayer. So we ask him if he might get a job building, the strong presidents wool to keep out Mexico. What they need. Just have. More arm hairs, if I was happy, it would would Iraq. Moment of truth. Doubt. Read all the way down there. Ilbo to heal. We'll bring y'all go. Bingo. You're listening to ideas were heard on Sirius XM, CBC radio one and on CBC dot CA slash ideas. Where you can always get our podcast. You can also scream all our episodes on the radio player candidate out. David same Meyrowitz is originally from the United States, but he's been living in Europe for the last fifty years. He recently returned to the US and traveled throughout the south recording first hand encounters with an America, which continues to baffle you can see photos of his trip on our website, CBC dot CA slash ideas. The documentary is called the God and gun show. We have had an awful lot of people from Canada and being when come through and they really get excited about being able to the handle young. Spatially hand goes to mobile gun dealer. Jim Patrick feel sorry for people. I guess people will live in countries with strict gun lows. It's really inconceivable for him at a man, my age does not know how to use a firearm. Hilton catches campus. Here's one that camp. Pistols were. Based on. Like that. When I was so. That's a single action forty five cowboy modern. Modern. That's done. I could buy in. Fewer of resident of Alabama. You could come show me your driver's license. And tell me that you were not of convicted felon on you're not mentally incompetent. And that be legally or me as an individual from you. And I might be I would be doing. You just show me drive to make a record. And no, yeah. It's all about your honor fewer here in Alabama. I could share you over the counter. Interesting. For example. I don't think any decent human being religious factor. Any self respecting human being his children, the price is right? However, the enemy of our souls is very. He will come to us. Not at the point. He knows we not vulnerable. But the point that he knows we. Yes. Louis FM. God is everywhere in the south on billboards bumper stickers on nearly every radio station. And that no matter. Gotcha. The banks of lake Martin Brodeur bridge. Lease Yana, you bump into a father and son teams from Arkansas Carey and Michael Richardson, travelling in their caravan bus, they owned the south performing their own makeshift gospel show is small towns wherever they can play in an outdoor drama called shepherd of the hills. And then I played a theme park called silver dollar city. I I'm out there Christmas time in maturity performance. It's a story of redemption. Really it goes down in history. As only the second book in the nation to have sold over million copies losing only first place to the bible itself. We ask them standard question. Are they up the mystic given the current state of things we are we tend to be rechristened? So we tend to to to believe that good will out. We're kind of taking a wait and see attitude, but we're trying to remain positive. And hopeful. But this apprising Lee skeptical about the so-called godly character of the current leader. We follow Christ ended Christ. I know that wanted to love everybody he sought broken he sought out the hurting. But I do know that my God told me that in Romans to eleven God shows, no favoritism. So nobody is better than anybody else. We're all broken. We're all trying and we should come together and try to strive together as as opposed to striving to be further apart in the next three years with the president being Donald J Trump. I cannot say an I'll be very honest about it. I can't say that I see any of his comments as unifying he's not even sure how to unify with his own thoughts. If your president who's been elected to run your country is become little more than a joke. Material still there Christian optimism remains intact. But I know that no matter what I will pray. And I know that our God has a plan. Daddy. Children's. We to European pacifist atheists hurtling through, but we've nicknamed the God and gun show was of course, our choice to immerse ourselves in this world where faith and firearms coalesce. But once in a while, we find ourselves needing a little sanctuary feeling the main spirits that have been released in this country. We're looking for any trace we can find a position to these post-election means spirits. I'm Wanda how would battle I'm to a director here Dexter avenue. King memorial Baptist church where the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King passed it fall. Most six years. Most people do say that the civil rights movement began here people around the world equate the name, mud Gumri Alabama with civil war and civil rights. So where better to look than in the historical bloodstream, the civil rights movement. We ask Wanda. If she feels afraid after Trump was elected, do I have any fear? I know I believe God is still in charge. He's always been in charge. And he'll always continued to be short. And that's why pray for this president. I don't agree with media his policies or the way he thinks on mid issues. But I pray for him. I don't hate him. I pray that there's a possibility he will find a converted heart. And I pray for this president. And I pray for those who are around him who are in policy-making positions. And I pray that they will come to a place where they will understand that our constitution in the preamble begins with we the people and in the very church of Dr king who was a Cecil with a rifle. I expressed doubts about going to the gun show in mobile. Well, I'm not opposed to a gun show. I'm just a. Posed to those who use them for evil purposes. If you take away the guns from the gun show, what you'd be left with is fun loving folks made barbecue kind is open people you could ever meet it's hard to detect any evil purposes here. Guy. Holding. Yeah. Huddled outside. And once those dummy rounds? To make sure that your gun is calibrate them out and to make sure that your of your magazine is pushing amount springing amount to hurt hurting. They're not made for what stands out for us on a road trip is how gun culture is graced by so many women true that I heard about that summer that we've been shots and men maybe they're more open to instruction in men are. But it's quite often woman. You know, the first time she picks up a handgun. She can drill the target. First time. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. But they're just really really good with a handgun. Really good. I don't know. Why are better shots? They just are some about the relaxation or something. Better breathing control or better hand, I do but they can drill the target. Just they can just drill. It. It's kind of fun to watch. If it's your daughter your daughter kind of proud. It's not you're like oh hill. One of Johnson's shirts goes beyond the usual sloganeering. You see on clothing says shoot like a girl if you can be proud to tell everyone that you shoot like a girl after all women are typically better shots than men. So don't miss with this rowdy girl. This is a great gift for your gal who can shoot like a girl. All right. Then you music, computer. Two. Jeez. Vini? Nimble? Eventually we turn up in Cajun country. Is a case of part. Unlike the other states, it's cultural ENA Catholic not Protestant. Eventually. Restaurant, owner Henderson Harvey sums it up. Well, we we drove supported you. You know, with limited government, like the Kerala goes that we believe in religion. That's pretty much the Cajun hairdo Louisiana's a conservative state again limited government people just want to be left alone. Rolling goto. I'm occasion freshmen in Lafayette, Louisiana. A total stranger with a glass eye a cost us on the street and regales us with his definition of Cajun. Okay. As a freshman that we got knocked out of Nova Scotia's will treat treated like peasants down my parents on us. They got what beat because this both French with true like flayed, but we will sit down in this month. What is never gonna live, and we will became land building of Levy rally. Probably the best thing that English avenue did for the French the Cajun pushing down have all this no noble school to cube that Canada now. The Cajun could call to it's still alive. It's a breed of people that firmly river even God, I found the next, and then you fate and the and you actions of about God, I bid Cajun compelling job and job way. If you good person about. The whole is very good feeling then touch really God. The God tells you well, they knew there does not those peace Cajun's are among the original American refugees. So how does that fact inform current immigration policies? God has no caller or race AMA humanity in may man image lightness God. So we all in donate to Americans the native Indian. Win the police the world God is in court, and no matter what country call from hit be welcome in America, especially if you bring in God in this. And that some the Cajun. I said moo my Massey. Boo Koo vocal way. Now much of broad thorough via. God is in shown. Cajun country too like anywhere else. We sound. Next up New Orleans. Would they all those things that they even the white proud on that front? Bissau? Listen. She's nearly lame since under her parasol all day loan, directing Uman traffic on the Anita street and preaching her own version of the gospel the world as come like the bible, say not even price wanna come down here. Not even to aliens the main see doing you see what's going on in the White House right now, Donald Trump Donald Trump on salads often hears gunshots night. She has a suggestion president wanted to. But you know, what I want him to do and gonna give me from Saint CD's not gonna use on won't kill up each jumping Boeing have. No, kind of remorse. Don't I'm no kind of simply dead somebody fun. That's nettie. Nettie wrong, or whatever. And you just shoot them. They ain't got no way to know, you shoot him. You just go. Get him send him over day till you put them in a plane put them look at their records. Make sure Nate murderous. They won't kill people send him over name can doodle. That's how I feel. The world has gained a bit apart. But if Trump doesn't respond Jesus will God there is a go. I maybe you put 'em plans out their own is crazy about my son just told me to say the Russians come in over here in ship. They see them coming this. We gum. Does I run Inouye get on my knees and pray? That's all I can do cause ain't gonna get to the terrorism already over here. But life is still beautiful. How many nuts they guide on? Here is some beautiful world in it's beautiful thing. The week on and say, thank you Jesus from giving meters. The in my pain. I thank him essay praise. The Lord rebuilt, you pain and the name alone. I got pain here pain. Heya pain him paying? Safety is there's a round in the chamber. This his armed Alabama knows place on our really comfy as armed of Alabama outdoors. Cross the Chuck watching river own version of the rivers stakes review the poet on pink crochet Email on the lower circles Taylor's three four threes. Just a few miles over the state voter already run into members of the NRA. My name is Michael teak Kelly, and we're at the American Legion post one nine nine in fair. Hope I'll Bama over my shirt, that's political. Ezra national raffled association. Golden eagles in we support the second amendment for Pinkel protect themselves against foreign and domestic enemies when Hitler was in power. I Lang done. It's everybody's guns. So they didn't have no way to protect themselves. Playing. The same thing. So. Yeah. So Hitler Stalin and Castro disarmed their populations, which prevented them from fighting back against these tyrants. Even victims of the holocaust could've resisted, according to this logic had they've been on the truth is the Germany's Weimar Republic had strict gun control lows and side from common criminals, the ordinary German citizen who simply not arm interactive talk show, discussing self-defense product reviews, shooting tips, safety and more your calls. Comments techs. Welcome at three four threes. One zero six no here, your host, retired judges certified our inspector rusty Johnston and certified NRA law enforcement instructor Adam strengths. Dr Adam wanna come? One. Believe in them father, Don. Misguided president or politicians? Phase. Win demanded tire tracks. Rain be way. Don't tread on the on America's dream those theme song from the radio program armed Alabama. There's that message again, hence, all our guns. Five. All right. Welcome to armed Alabama. If Tuesday oppose your favorite day of the week because this way for us to counter, the convictions of gun instructor Adams strange, but we still try a few ways to reframe the issue. I've heard that argument made that there are police officers who don't want to see on skin to everybody I have numerous friends within the law enforcement community, and they would tell you the opposite. They would tell you that an armed society. Is a polite society that the more people who are on the easier. It is for them. And we were saying people were talking about law abiding people. Safe cure, even the word cre- might have passed bios on noticed. But and on society is up light society at stunned us, we didn't bowl even guns. Don't kill people. Kill this one really takes the. In gun. Friendly polite society, it comes as no surprise to hear that you can buy assault rifles in supermarket facing some backlashes warning after one of its stores had guns near a back to school side. Take a look at this photo that went viral online. Several people posted on Twitter asking what were they thinking? The picture shows a sign over a gun case reading own the school year, like a hero. The placement was quickly criticized WalMart policies and condemn the sign calling truly awful and horrible. We're not going as far as Texas. But we learn about legalizing guns on campus while in the car another on the back of that is the law that will be allowing guns to be carried on campus on university campuses. We laid to learn the teaching staff is thinking twice about staying developing tonight eleven days after the shooting at a. College campus in Oregon, a professor of the university of Texas in Austin is making news with the announcement that he's quitting his job at the school because of a new law that will soon allow concealed carry in Texas higher Ed classrooms. The issue is not so much somebody coming into the classroom from the outside. It's rather a student in the classroom or more likely student in my office who's upset about a great new pulls a gun on me. I'm not going to carry a gun. I don't want to be involved in gun fight in the thing is I teach classes at five hundred students, even though anyone students really not likely to do much with that many hands frisk, and I don't want to bear that risk. He doesn't take us loan before we've had our fill of the mobile gun show. So we leave the main whole for the relative, quiet the entrance. Foyer city at a large table was suddenly joined by Annella. Bama family parents in two young teenagers. Curry you today, sir. The boy sitting next to me is carrying a rifle by that country. We've brought it to sell it. Yes, sir. No. He just turned thirteen. All right. What age can you have a fire, but we've been teaching in shoot since he was seven years old because I was from his similar age. And I believe firmly in if you teach children not to fear it into be comfortable with it. And this guy's for anything than it. It's not an issue, you know, versus some of your children where the parents lock it up and make it like this, you know, secret noon. No. Then of course, what child is not going to sit there and be intrigued enough to think that it's like a tweet like I haven't thirty eight special. Okay with that is pocket when it and shoot a child's going around with if they don't know any better downtown child gets. Yes. That's how child gets hurt later the same year. Everyone would be talking about the Las Vegas massacre yet in the very same. Week. It was another shooting story which went mostly unnoticed children shot at a home. Daycare. That's where we're going to begin to evening with new developments in that tragic shooting of two toddlers happened in the home of their daycare provider on the thirty six hundred block of Harding the victims. Both just three years old remain hospitalized with police saying they're in critical but stable condition person shot and name the two-three year olds in daycare was a two year old child who picked up a loaded gun that was lying within its reach. Beck at the mobile gun show. We still sitting at the table with our Alabama family and another man joins us noticed him walking around earlier because he was carrying two rival the kids that you hear own a news about accidental shootings. And all they didn't have a mother like that. There was a gun and a house and nobody bothered to teach them anything about it. And my son he got his first going when he was six years old, and then the same refrain, gone loans or not the problem. And if the fan people realize there's a lot of good people with guns. Last. Politician. Brand new lacks plans came on. Don, Don around the God. No. Down on. Was eight on stand. Salud Obama on the worthy. Can you straw? God and guns. Keep us things. Lynyrd skin don't ever try to take him away is experts have pointed out repeatedly, even if Tra Konia gun lows will put into place right now. They're okay ready enough weapons in American homes to keep its households on until the next century. Finally, just as the gun show poster on sale catches my eye. I will give up my gun when they've prime my cold fingers around. I will give up my gun when they prime my cold dead fingers from around it, and that is the image. We leave with a corpse refusing to yield up its weapon even as the dark hand of tyranny. Tries to pry it loose. Where God's grade gods or good, you really can know that much. Thank banner off. You're listening to the God and gun show by Melgar's, Jovita and David Zane, Myra woods. The sound engineer was Yara slobs or you can see photos of their trip through five southern states on our website, CBC dot CA slash ideas. Where of course, you can always get our podcast if you'd like to comment on anything you heard in the show or any other episode you can do that on our website or on Facebook or on Twitter. The associate producer of ideas is lose technical production date field, the executive producer of ideas. Greg Kelly, and I'm Paul Kennedy. Jesus. That's. Lose. Well, we. If we say. For more CBC podcasts. Goto CBC dot CA slash podcasts.

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Hour 1: Message Sent?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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Hour 1: Message Sent?

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Six max kellerman show presented by progressive insurance the knicks lose to the nets but Looked you gotta say a hustling team. Look at this unbeliev bunny. Spn plus the dandruff on me what that's hustling team. The knicks. i mean. They're trapping full court airport. Not since pitino coached the knicks. Have you seen that new york. And it's kinda working. But that first foul that got overturned when joe harris got trapped who was it barrett someone else were on them and they called it a foul and it wasn't and the rest reviewed and they got it right and then not long after julius randle got called for the up and down and i got it the travel. I gotta say. I thought it was a bad call when i first saw it and i thought the rest at the very least should've reviewed it in fact i got on. I take this morning. I said debt. The rest costs the knicks. Because usually you can say like well. They're a million different plays. You can't just point to one. But the knicks have no margin for error. There an undermanned team. They're playing the mighty brooklyn nets. They have no margin for error so if the rest local and that and had they not blown it maybe the next go to overtime you could say fairly. The rest cost the game next. Have a hard enough time being the nets even if the rescue them some bad calls let alone of calls went or neutral. Little known of calls went against the but stephen smith was right about this. Kyra got his hands on the ball. Yes but you got to release the ball before your feet hit the ground. That is in the rule book and he did not. It was a travel. I still felt like they could have at least reviewed it know at least given the courtesy of reviewing it. Even if you even if you then say by the way. I don't know if you can hear me right now. But he hasn't muted himself on zoom so now everyone can hear he's talking to different. People brendan will sit there. It is. I just had to mute myself. Look say julius randle. Julius randle is was walking double double when he entered the league from kentucky. But he couldn't shoot a three he could only go left. He had no right hand. Any wasn't a defender not built like defender. You know defenders have long arms. No big hands long arms. kind of wiry. It's not julius. Randle i gotta say not. Only has julius randle stretched out that shot and is hitting the three ball. Not only now walking double double. But we're talking about twenty plus points and really shooting very well from the outside the still use more of a right hand but he was defending. Julius randle's is playing. Typical has got this team playing defense. And whatever you want to say about the substitutions and there's plenty to say you taking quickly and randall out and barrett out at the same time where you're going to get the offense and playmaking from but they are playing defense as a team and julius randle is positively balling. There's there's no two ways about it thirty three points. Twelve boards six assists three steals on thirteen of twenty seven shooting and three of six from three. He is balling. He deserves his all star. Berth i'm happy for them. This is the max kellerman show coming to you. Live from above the heineken. River deck appear seventeen so just six point. Five games separate thirteenth place washington wizards from the fourth place. Miami heat three games stand between the number nine chicago bulls and the fourth spot. The knicks are twenty and twenty two knicks fans. That sounds like thirty. Five and five. Twenty and twenty. Oh my god now by the way gonna lose to philly tonight because you ain't playing back to back on the road in philadelphia 'em beat or no embiid and winning that game. It's not the way it works in the nba especially not for under talented teams like the knicks. So they're going to be twenty and twenty one after tonight at a schedule loss. I mean more than they lose to philly anyway but they got no shot second back to back on the road but at twenty and twenty the interesting thing about the knicks drama. The rest of the season. Plenty of wiggle room in both directions can wiggle out of out of the playoffs or stay in them. Wiggle up the standings. And you gotta figure the knicks if they could see them getting to a fourth seat look the sixers. The nets the box. They have no shot at those teams and the fact is if the heater firing on all cylinders the and then the celtics the knicks are really battling it out with teams like the hornets and the hawks and and i mentioned chicago and washington. And all that. Those are the teams. The knicks fit in with. Maybe they can fit in with the top of those teams. it comes down to for the knicks. I gotta tell you rj barrett. I made this point the other day. I'll tell you why it comes down to rj. Barrett quickly is a revelation. And i think he he is legitimately a guy who might be an excellent six-man right can quickly all star. Let's say conservatively. That do is going to be an excellent man. And julius randle is an all-star right but not an mvp caliber player but an all star and the knicks are showing a healthy culture. Notwithstanding the fact that james dolan somehow has a problem with charles oakley winds up arrested. And patrick ewing's getting hassled by security and spike. Lee can't use the vip entrance. Dolan such a problem. Apparently dolan himself getting hassled by security and he got very upset about this and he said fire dolan and now dolan is considering not letting dolan in the garden. Anymore is what i hear dysfunctional. By the way then a friend of mine brought up friend of mine from elementary school brought up. I notice to patch calls a mr dolan scoring on with that. It's true like mr dole. There's something wrong with that. Mister dole and shut up jim name. Is jim mr dolan. Stop that i remember. When mike tyson fought michael spinks stupidest the dumbest promotion. And and i really felt distasteful. We're tyson and spinks both thanking donald trump who promoted the fight. Thank you mr trump. Thank mr trump. Shut up donald. What do you mean mr trump. Because he because he had supposedly had money. Take mr trump. mr dolan. Mr dolan jim. Jim patrick ewing has to call mr dawn. I don't like anyway. All that stuff's not going to sit well with with players but in spite of that in spite of that leon rose worldwide west. Tom thibodeau. you can't say enough. Good things about them right now. It's a healthy culture team that plays for each other with each other pulls in the same direction connected on defense. Hustles can't count him out of a game team. It's easy to root for. This team is very easy to root for. They have those kinds of players that kind of attitude all that said. It's one thing to say. Okay chelsea out of there. Maybe we can get a superstar and all that stuff your knicks fan. Starting to slip. I said we never mind that. I don't have any feelings for the knicks anymore. They're in my past. You can't hurt me anymore. I won't get my hopes up. I don't care about hopes. what do i care. I'm not. I'm not a knicks fan. Anyway it's one thing to say that it's another thing to say and now look at the roster forget about just little pieces quickly can really play. He's he's a winning. Part of a top rotation same thing with julius randle if barrett is simply another piece versus a perennial all star. That makes a huge difference. Not only in the way other players perceive the knicks but in terms of the knicks eventual fortune fortunes. Because you can. Larry bird right away and you can grandfather players in under the cap so you can sign free agents when guys are on their rookie deal and then you can bust through the salary cap. If you have a great player who comes into his own becomes a max contract type player. Could you imagine if barrett because barrett. They spent a lot of draft capital on. You don't get to choose that high in the draft normally not the knicks last time. The knicks chose that high since patrick ewing porzingas and barrier to the highest picks. They've had. I'm pretty sure that's true. I don't know roj check that. But i'm pretty sure that's true. That bad looking at draft. Anyway the point is if barrett becomes like a max contract type player and you add him julius randle and quickly as a real nucleus then if a guy like i dunno bradley beal in spite of recent reporting that he's not for sale from from from washington. He joins the team. And alison. you look you go. They got like three four all stars in that team. And you have tapped space for another off max contract player. You can win a championship. That's how you can win a championship. otherwise you'll be competitive but maybe not when championship. I really think enormous amount of this comes down to rj barrett's development. Can he become a potential all star. No the max kellerman show on. Espn radio presented by progressive insurance. I'd say barrett right now is average for his positions like an average nba wing but given his age in the trajectory of his career. That bodes well. He has to take the next step. Now you can save big when you bundle your auto home motorcycle. Rv your boat visit progressive dot com cpi the franchise just. He's a masochist. I guess just can't take the gloves punishment on knicks fan. Tv joins me goodyear hotline. I see you're proud of your nexus warnings. Ep other ego gets not only you have to battle. The ring chasing superstars and kyrie irving and james battle zebras last night in the madison square garden annex. That is the barclay center. We were down eighteen points but nevertheless the heart the grit that passion that is the orange and blue came out in that second half lead by julius randle and led by as you said orgy barrett so we and as you said we. Yes people america. I mean listening max. Kelemen cleaned we. He still true intrude origin blue. Yes we fought maximum little little down deep inside me. There's a little boy. Little little max and saying that i'm saying shut up. You've had enough abuse. You've you've been hurt by this franchise. Enough quiet your lakers fan now in a nets fan. How dare you insult the nets. The knicks wish. They were the nets they're hoping to establish culture healthy enough that they can sell out all their young talent and signed guys like durant kyrie and james harden. That's what they're hoping for. What culture are you. Speaking of the scene culture they act james harden what he thought about the atmosphere last. What he say. They were a lot of knicks fans out there more permanent. The new york post said they were pumping in the brooklyn change because there was nobody there. No one cares. There is no nets fan. Tv why no one cares that same culture that you speak off kenny. Atkinson help rebuild culture after the previous regime went ring chasing it and how they repay him kadian kyri come in here and they toss over the ship right before the season ending. That's not happening typical. You think you think. Leon rosen worldwide. Wasn't going to do that to tip. They establish a healthy culture. And you know you have superstars who maybe want their own coach. Or maybe they think there's a coach. Take him the next. That's not going to happen to it. Very well could could. That's okay when it happens to the next ep. What you brag about this next culture there is no culture. It's a brand new team. They got kenny. Atkinson up out of there. They traded vert. They traded jared allen so play. The point in the nba is to establish a stable and healthy enough situation where you can get rid of everyone and bringing the really good players. That's the whole point. You wish that it gets that way for the knicks. You hope that the knicks are the position where they're like. Oh my god zayante wants to come with who. Okay here we go. That's what you're paying for. Of course it's a plays run league players around the league they did they dictate everything where they wanna go will. They won coaching them. Of course but right. Now we're not worried about who's going to come. We're not dreaming. we're not dreaming. You know what i mean. We're not worry about booker or despite right now as you said it's about rg barracks about julius randle dodgy barrack shooting numbers. The last thirty gauges so he's at forty eight percent from three seventy five percent from the free. Cd let's talk seriously for a second about rj barrett. The reason i say his development associate -nificant. I think quickly is a real find. And let's say his floor is he's going to be a valuable six-man as maybe better than that randall's all-star he's done a great job doing two things. There's only one thing left to go. Goes really be ambidextrous right but his defense and his three point shooting or there. I'm happy for them or j. Barrett is the highest draft. Pick like the knicks normally even when they stink. They get unlucky in the lottery. They don't normally draft that high if that guy turns out to be a nice starter. That's okay but if he turns out to be a max contract level player a perennial all star. That changes the equation. Because you can grandfather that contract in and with the cap room still have room for two max deals you can bring in to star slash superstars to join randall. Who's an all star if barrett's also all star that's a championship level squad but it really depends on barrett's development. How confident are you. Cpi the franchise knicks fan tv that rj barrett gets to be a perennial all star. Getting there he's getting. The kid wanted man he wants to be the guy that the coach can rely on late game situations. We saw it last night when when julius randle came out the game they finally staggered the lineups. As you said they found only start at the line of late in the game. They took julius how comes back in. They go into nine to run in that. Fourth quarter lead biology barrett. As i said the shooting numbers are going up but not only that the defense is going up. Check out this stat. He's guarding guarding forwards. About fifty fifty percent of the time boards or shooting forty three and a half percent against some guards shooting forty percent against him so he's not only not only other offensive shooting numbers going up the defensive numbers ago. He's a win on as a wing when you think about wings in the league. He's about a mid level starting wing but given his age. That's very encouraging. It's hard to be a mid level starting wing. it's very competitive and really very necessary position. If you want to succeed the best player in the world are usually two-way wings. So that's hopeful for them and going forward if dolan can stay out of his own way. There is hope there's hope but that's what the knicks. You're all excited today. Because you lost. You lost a tough game. So you're handling. Let's be honest. No there's no more victories in this thing. There's no more victories in this thing. Am i proud of the effort. Yes am i am. I angry at the zebras precautions again. Yes but there are several areas that kalsa game number one. We green looking like scotty pippin out there. They gave up sixty seven points in the first half. This is the number one defense in the league. We had number of opportunities in that fourth quarter to close it out. You had your best three point shooters out there. That had opened looks between perks. Spurlock frank nakina emmanuel quickly. They all missed. Open looks in that fourth quarter. That could easily want us that game. So we we missed an opportunity out there right now as you with al qaeda right so be like you're playing a team without another one of the ring chases. Listen we are on different trajectories. They are championship or bust. We are rebuilding their championship or bust and your bust. That's true the different objective that that's the problem with the knicks. Cpt that's the problem with the knicks. Some teams are championship or bust and the knicks are just bus. They need to add the championship. Part looks you we ending their. We are getting and at the nets. Do not win and trust. They're going to go. Get andre drummond another ring chase to add to the. If they don't win it will be the biggest seeming passer like. It's a bad thing usually cutting. The nets need to win the championship in year. One in a league where the lakers defending champs got better in the off season if he comes back healthy denote. The nets need to get to the finals. They don't need to win the championship in your one. But i got news to probably will when he gets back. Who's gonna stop them if you put. All three though superstars on the court superstars all limping toll of famous. Whatever you call it. It's championship boss. Don't make excuses for your team. Right now max. Kellerman they got blake griffin. They got play. What am i going to associate griffin lakers. Give me a break like the meat. The personal blake griffin right. Now always taking the easy way out to play. Christmas shot blake griffin can't dunk can't defend can't shoot what is blake griffin talking. You're bragging on blake griffin. What are you talking about do you understand. I said you're blake griffin. I'm saying i'm i'm past. My prime is that we can't get any more than what do you explain these ten dogs on your head in this segment alone. How do you explain that personal rest in peace to marvelous marvin hagler. We celebrating his life. Yup this out started off like haggling hearns. But it's more like leonard and durand. This is no mosque halloween. And we all know you are not sugar ray. You're not sugary ray. You have been washed for you guys. Try to pull the audio tricks on. The people. Like mr fuji around two. I still bounce back around three. I still passback brown four. You knicks plane money. They are rebuilding. They're getting their. They're fighting for that coach. Jewish ran all star. Oh let's let's talk about porzingas. We forgot to talk about the second coming since kareem abdul-jabbar i take you got all the way out the window with these horace kristaps porzingis has one issue and that's injury and because he's perpetually hurt. He has to spend all season getting back to where he wants was. We can't take that step forward but when he gets going he is better than anyone. On the knicks include julius randle and everyone a healthy porzingus by the time the seasons at its at its close but in the playoffs last year before he got hurt. He was along with luca destroying the clippers and they could've easily won that series. But as you just said injuries by the way julius ran late every game last season as played every game this is now all star. Not only are his numbers up in in points and rebounds but his assist numbers are no. Nick has ever average two thousand ten and five on the season julius on pace to do that. Not only that assist to usage ratio. I'm gonna teach them us today in the radio. Assist to usage ratio measures the amount of assists that play contributes on his team based on the amount of time that he has. The boldness hates julius randle last year. Ranked in the fiftieth percentile of in his position he was average this year. He's an eighty six he's playmaker. I feel very good for. You're not going to have me rooting against julius randle. I feel very happy for julius randle. He's he's now a right hand away from being a perennial all star instead of just an all star this year. Everyone still has work to do. But he and the most impressive thing about randall's defence he's just not built like a defender but last night. If you were watching the man was playing excellent defense. All right. See the franchise i was. I've listened. I know you blame it on technical issues as the we caused those technical issues for you the last couple of times. We got cut short. But i used to do a public access. Show max on boxing. Way back when and you're set up reminds me of that on steroids at this point but still the you gotta get technology game up so so you don't you don't drop out anymore so that when we have you on the show we can enjoy a good back and forth and you know i don't know what else to say i'm bringing you great fame and maybe you can turn that into fortune by appearing here on the max kellerman show me the content power has never happened so my show next tv number one show for the fans by the fans. We had actually postgame show last night in which i'm sure they were a ton of nets fans band wagon next fans in. They're checking us out. Never happens on my show. We just had area awani. Espn's on this show. Excellent excellent allan hahn friend of the program now show at his game again. He'll be on show at some point eight. Were on the rise baby. I appreciate the opportunity. I appreciate the opportunity come in and sweetpea four zero and hopefully if this must be the new math i hear a lot about. I don't know what you kind of. matthew grow. Four zero four c. P. the franchise. I look forward to talking to you next tuesday. Are we setting this up regularly on tuesdays rogers. That what we're going to do the that's the plan that we're trying to do as long as internet's right on p. side. He said he took care of at this time. So you guys were able to complete full interview going to slip the wi fi guy twenty bucks something to cut the wi fi on tuesday afternoons. All right thank you for coming on. I'll talk to you next week. C. p. the franchise knicks fans. Tv ladies and gentlemen and another thing. We need to roj. Because i talk over people at times. But i don't mean like when i talk i can hear that his mike cuts off on. No one budget renta. Mike thing he got but the taxes radio shack so i think it had a little microphone from there. We'll give them some good stuff. I got a a trs. Eighty back in the day at radio shack. You wanna wanna trs. Eighty is kids. Look it up. It was sad. 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Today that's geiko dot com max kellerman show podcast going to get to lebron drop in a triple double soon eighty eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. The max kellerman shows presented by progressive. Insurance jets are getting sam. Darnold some help. I guess you could call it that signing wide. Receiver corey davis. The deal is a three year thirty seven and a half million dollar contract. Twenty seven million guaranteed its signing for corey davis coming off the best season of his career. Of course most one thousand receiving yards five. Td's over fifteen yards per reception. Sixty five receptions. All career highs a case of receptions tied for a career high of the titans drafted him fifth overall in two thousand seventeen. He's six three. He just turned twenty six years old. He was the tenth highest ranked receiver in the league. Gordon to pro football focus with an eighty five point three grade Can he be the team's number one. I mean right now on the jets. Probably the question is is this. Actually for sam darnold. The more i think about this the more. I have to think the jets are nuts about sam. Darnold sam darnold may wind up being a good. Nfl quarterback it's possible he has size mobility leadership qualities. Good personality work ethic. He has an arm. He was very good in college although inconsistent like dr will be the kind of guy to lead back to a comeback win and then he spent a couple of weeks. You're like but he seems to check the boxes but you're in a division with you. Know guys who can really play josh allen tongue of aloe twos better college quarterback than darnold. He was not like didn't check all the boxes but he was better. You'd rather have to than darnold to what you thought. He has a chance to be a great one. Darnell less candidate drew brees darnold. You thought he has a chance to be a very good one. But he's been in the league bunch of years already and three years for donald. He's okay maybe he can be good one day but apparently a lot of people love zack. Wilson and if you're the jets like i kept saying trade back grab justin fields acquired draft capital. But if you're the jets. And you think zack wilson. As a chance to be great. And even if you don't even if you don't like any of these quarterbacks better than sam darnold surely you like justin fields at least as much as sam darnold and if the case you can acquire draft capital by trading back to restarting the the rookie contract clock and surrounding that guy. Who at least has upside. At least you don't know what his limitations are already. At least you can dream. And hope i am by the way i say two in miami. The fact is if the dolphins want the shawn watson they can get him. No one else can offer the package. The dolphins can offer both from shawn's point of view and the dolphins point of view. But if you're willing to move on from your quarterback here's to a tongue of aloe and here is the number three pick overall and here's another first and here's some more stuff and you can get them and it's not like by doing that. You're putting team. You can do all that and bring watson on to a team. That's not missing anything that it doesn't already have in other words like you're peeling stuff off this team and giving it to the texans. You got the same dolphins team. That was very competitive this year. But now you have shawn watson is quarterback and by the way you'll still have a couple of draft picks and probably a couple of good ones in the next couple years because you still have draft picks next year to make the team even better. That's a super bowl contender. So there's a chance. It could beat the shawn watson and josh allen in that division you gonna combat that with sam darnold and corey davis or maybe if you like let alone a guy like mack jones or trey lance but let's say you can trade way back and pick mack jones if you like him and go add guys like waddell and this guy and that you could get. You could really clean up in the next two drafts. The question is do you want darnold to be the guy and then don't forget whatever you think about cam. Newton and i think camps can be pretty good this year. Patriots have reloaded when you look at the. Afc east is a three horse race and the jets or the donkey coming in fourth the jackass coming in fourth. It's a three horserace. It's josh allen buffalo one of the best teams in the league. Miami with at least two tug of are low and the number three overall. Pick if not the shawn watson bill belichick on a mission with Cam newton was at a year to recover and to learn the system and will have a preseason. And we'll have practices and a whole bunch of guys on the offense and defense before you even talk about the draft and the jets. Maybe you want to upgrade at quarterback. I'm just saying eighty eight say. Espn we're gonna get into what bill belichick and the pats are actually up to where he just spent a whole lot of money in free agency. Is that because belichick's admitting he can't really draft well or is this just a prelude now they're going to go in and and really show you something cam newton. Let's put this way cam. Newton was better than sam darnold last year. Neither both were toward the bottom along with carson. Wentz i'd say carson wentz was the worst quarterback who started in the nfl last year. Like a bunch of games. I would say then. Sam darnold maybe then cam newton but between sam darnold cam. Newton cam swan mvp. Before sam darnold. I should say anyway guest. Join me on. The goodyear hotline. Here's good news even with high unemployment. 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Sometimes that happens and cam got stripped in the red zone against the bills to plays away from being nine seven. And that's with cam newton. How many times have i said it. That was coming off a catastrophic injury in which he missed year so not just a catastrophic stroke injury but the year missed in which can switch teams a year in which he had no preseason with new team a year in which the new team had no offensive weapons to the point to. Tom brady looked like he was finished to me when he was in new england year. In which cam. Newton got covid a year in which is a result of the covid. Not only did he miss a game and then was in that cova far for several games afterward but the facilities were shut down. They could they could. They had even less preparation than normal. You're in which was a nine players off. The defense opted out. Because the covert before the season started and yet they won seven games and now they've added. I mean john. Smith and hunter henry is tight ends. They've added a born as receiver at. They've added One of the best most versatile linebackers on the market. They've added a couple of defensive tackles defensive end all the players that belgium has added or versatile useful players in their primes splashy because hunter henry a little if he can stay on the field jonah smith if he continues to develop but now all of a sudden cam newton has one of the best tight end tandems in the league has a much more respectable receiving corps and they've plugged in holes all over the defense with versatile productive players. Now this is before you're talking about the guys who opted out because of covid coming back on defense this before you're talking about now can't had a full season under his belt as only thirty two. He's won an mvp before when last healthy before the patriots under norv turner is offense coordinator adding an even better passing year than his mvp year and is used to belichick now and vice versa. And this is before the draft to now belichick has struck out on a lot of receivers in the draft running backs. And he's he has not grafted well reasonably. Is that gonna continue even by accident. A bad talent evaluator. And that's not belichick is gonna hit a couple times. No the patriot. I don't think elegiac sending a message. What message he's trying to feel the competitive team. I'm just saying everyone wants to hand this division to the bills. Not so fast. Also saying it's a three horse race if the jets want to get in this thing on an ongoing basis. They had better get quarterback right the guy to get it right. And if things wilson's not the guy gopher justin fields if he's not the guy trae lance if he's not the guy mac jones but if you're going to stay with sam darnold boy you better be sure you can't waste any more time on development and then he winds up okay. You better be sure. He is going to be a good quarterback at minimum. If you're the jets. Mitch new jersey around the max kellerman show. Espn radio max has gone mitch. I agree. I couldn't hear parents going to be good very good almost as good as ingram and I on but What do you think about quickly and knocks knocks the jury's out on quickly i think minimum. He's going to be a good six man minimum. I think he has upside over that. But he's he's already a pretty useful nba player. And i think he's going to be quite good actually. And what was the other thing. What else you were would put rj barrett well ingram. Yeah maybe look. Or when. I look at bradley beal. I see the next thing to an. Mvp caliber player he is a perennial all star but i would call it an all star. Plus if an mvp callard player caliber players five star and an all stars four star and a starter is a three star and a bench players to in replacement level players one star. I was a bradley beal. Four and a half stars. And that's what i'm saying for. Rj barrett right now. Are you barry to three star player. But given his age. That's quite impressive. I'm saying if rj winds up three and a half star player. It's going to be hard for the knicks win a championship even if they get in an mvp caliber player but if he can be four stars at least like year in and year out. He's an all star if he could be more than that. Four and a half star player. The knicks are looking. Really good at it to me. It hinges on barrett's development. Richard in manhattan on the max kellerman show. Espn radio backs. Respectfully i have to correct things you said on yesterday on radio one today on. Tv yesterday on radio knick fans and so loyal in new york because when the new york giants baseball team left in nineteen fifty seven. They were the only team in new york in manhattan playing. Don't tell me the rangers. Are you going to say the rangers and the next hold on. Hold on wait a minute. Women hockey doesn't count. i'm sorry i know. Espn hike hockey is a popular sport. But is the economy of hockey is not nearly the size of the economy of baseball basketball or football. Mlb nfl nba. Those are economies each of them over seven eight billion a year. It's a different level if you want to say. Hockey is the fourth of the major american team. Sports fine but it's a distant fourth that's how it is in canada. It's number one. It's not the case in the united states. That was straight talk. Wireless no contract no compromise max kellerman show max kellerman. Show the podcast. Hey this bomani joe. What's your favorite podcast. Let me tell you why that'll be number two after you listen to mine twice a week. I'm going to challenge you to keep up with me as i discuss. Topics the latest in technology in music and people getting duct. Also you'll get the very best now of the games and we watch them with. The psychopathic level is store for connection. Plus we have got a community of guests that you'll feel like your closest friends in no time. 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ET- Dennis DeYoung

The Eddie Trunk Podcast

48:36 min | 1 year ago

ET- Dennis DeYoung

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You podcasts since nineteen eighty three Eddie truck has been the voice for fans of rock hard rock and heavy metal of bestselling author host of. Tv's that metal. Shell and seven national radio shows including trunk nation daily on Sirius. Xm Interesting Eddie offers. The world is news making interviews passionate analysis honest commentary and who knows what else so. Welcome to the any trunk podcast. Welcome everybody trunk. And it's time for another episode of Yeti Trunk podcast which is new every Thursday via podcast. One Dot Com apple podcast and of course now available free on spotify. Don't even need to be a subscriber. Spotify ICAN listen that way many ways to get this podcast each and every week. Thank you for doing so. Thank you for checking it out. It is greatly appreciated. Hope you enjoyed the interview with Ted nugent. Last week. Always Fun to talk. Dunkel Ted get some rock knowledge from him. He's a quite the historian when it comes to rock music and always on always brings the energy always engaging to talk with and it had been a little while so it was good to have on the show and hope you enjoyed it now of course as I tell you all the time the interviews you here on this podcast every week they originate on my Sirius. Xm radio show trunk nation which is heard on Channel One zero six live Monday through Friday. Two to four eastern and it replays every night ten to midnight eastern and there are full shows available interviews and audio and video on demand on the Sirius. Xm APP although for the last almost two weeks. The show has not been live. Because I'm not able to do it live because I can't get a producer into the building of Sirius. Xm because of the pandemic we are all battling around the globe at the moment so because of that things are somewhat shut down in New York City. Shut down at the Sirius. Xm Headquarters. I've been doing radio shows if you are a regular listener. A variety of ways but basically just me pumping stuff out as a one way street and prerecording. The shows the night before they air live as I said it's normally a live show and I have not been able to do interviews because of the pandemic and because of the reasons I just told you not being able to have a producer in a studio but I still have a few interviews as they say in the can that I plan on bringing you that I did just before everything went down and the world basically came to a screeching halt because of the corona virus. Issue and I'll bring you one of those interviews today. It's a great one with Dennis. Deyoung formerly of course sticks but before I get to that just a few observations and I certainly hope and send my well wishes to all of you guys. I really do. We are in uncharted waters. We are in unprecedented territory of what the world is experiencing in the battle against this global pandemic and I truly hope everybody is doing all the right things and taking reasonable precautions out there and being safe the social distancing all the things that we need to do we are seeing an amazing amount of concerts and festivals postponed and or reschedule so needless to say if you had tickets to a show coming up anywhere between say now and at this point even into June you should absolutely check to make sure those shows are still happening to make sure they have not been canceled. Outright or in fact postponed as many of them are if there is a postponement. Most artists most promoters are doing the right thing and offering you the fan the option of a refund to me. That is incredibly important that you are at least given that option. It is the only fair thing to do when this whole corona virus stuff finally does subside. It's going to be a lot of people hurting for money. There's going to be a lot of people in a lot worse financial situation than they may have been when they bought those tickets in it is only right and only fair that they are given the option of a refund if they would like one and most responsible promoters are doing exactly that now just before. I started recording. This show what you're hearing if you're listening on post day. We post new shows every Thursday this episode in this open that I'm doing right now. I recorded on Monday night so about three days ago. Two and a half days ago so I don't know what's changed since then because obviously everyday there's different news in different developments so check your listings and see what's going on but I can tell you this as of the time that I'm recording this on Monday. The twenty third day of March earlier today three major rock festivals were outright canceled including Sonic Temple. Welcome to Rockville and epicenter. These were massive multiday rock festivals. That featured Metallica as a headliner and they are outright cancels. They took up the first three weekends of. May so there is stuff going down everywhere related to this. Every day we're hearing of cancellations or postponements so very important to see what's going on and the problem and the challenge I think with even the promoters are trying to make these tough decisions is they don't know when business will be back to you to to normal. They don't know they don't know when these restrictions are going to ease up. Nobody knows what to predict. Here it's kind of a day to day week to week sort of deal. I'm very closely hoping that. And watching that rock La Homa takes place. Which is memorial weekend that I host in Pryor Oklahoma waiting for the promoters to make a decision on that? Now we're still couple months away from that so I think it's safe to wait a couple more weeks before they make a final decision. Because you also want to jump the gun prematurely on this stuff either and of course if that does get changed. I certainly hope it's a postponement and moved instead of an outright cancellation because it's something I really enjoy doing every year and enjoy hosting at the time. I'm doing this have not gotten word yet. And there's been no announcement on the status of m three. Which is the eighties? Themed Rock Festival. That happens in Maryland that this year expanded out to three days. That's the first weekend of May. I think the odds of that happening are incredibly remote although they have yet to cancel that at the time. I'm recording this. But Danny Wimmer presents does massive rock festivals in America has had a tough year. They lost metallica. On a couple of scheduled festivals because of James hatfields Rehab and now three enormous festivals outright canceled due to the corona virus. And they are doing the right thing in offering the option of a refund so the good news is this will clear the good news is we will at some point. Get back to normal and if you are a music junkie and you do have money. The good news is you will have more concerts to choose from. Then you could ever imagine the back end of this year. The Bad News. We have to weather the storm right now. If you want daily updates daily information on everything going on in rock again be sure to listen to trunk nation every day on Volume Sirius. Xm Channel One zero six following on social media at any trunk on twitter instagram and a fan page on facebook. And of course Eddie Trunk Dot Com. Which is the official online home. And again if you have the Sirius. Xm By understand a lot of people are not at the moment traveling and in their cars with their normal work schedules and routines. You can still listen to the show via the APP which is included in most of the subscription packages that Sirius. Xm offers but it is crazy times. My friends it really is and I hope you all being safe and we get back to normal very very soon coming up our interview this week. My interview this week is with Dennis deyoung. Dennis is of course the former lead singer keyboard player of the band sticks. It's a big part of Many of that band's biggest hits has not been in the bad now for quite a while as sticks continues on without him as they have for many many years and Dennis deyoung continues to work as a solo artist now. Dennis is a guy who just had the release date of his record that you're about to hear him talk about pushed back because that's another thing that the corona virus is impacting and that is release dates of records because nobody wants to put out a record of new music without the proper platforms available to them to promote it without the proper distribution networks. Being set up for the physical aspects of it meaning CD and LP Amazon announced that it's not going to be fulfilling some orders for CDs and albums at the moment because they're dedicating their resources to filling orders for more important things like supplies and things for the medical community which is understandable. So this thing is having a ripple effect everywhere even to the point of distribution of records and release dates of Records. It really makes no sense if you're an artist about to put out a record when you can't tour you can't play live. He can't visit radio stations. Can't late night TV. You're management you. Press your marketing for the most part likely checked out so you're seeing a lot of releases get pushed back. Dennis deyoung came on this show before. Of course any of that happened. This interview you're about to hear was done about two weeks ago. I Dunno Dennis that well. I've had him on the show a couple times in the past though and he's always really entertaining you really is and it's very very cool always for me to hear somebody. That's so unbelievably open and honest and transparent about the viability of his music about where he's at in his career about his desire to go back to his former band. We touch on all of that in this interview with Dennis. Deyoung that you are about to hear so we'll get into it here in just a second really not a whole heck of a lot more to tell you at the top of the show given that the only news that we have is about cancellations in about the virus because of what's going on in this current climate so stay safe stay healthy. Wash those hands socially distance yourself. Stay IN LOCKDOWN. If you can just suck it up for maybe another week or two more we can maybe get through this a lot quicker than people are predicting who knows. I'll do my best to keep you posted daily on the radio and of course. Weekly here on the podcast. We'll come back and talk to Dennis Deyoung next survivor season. Forty is here with twenty champions returning for winners at war survivor. Fans know that this is the best survivor seasoning years. And we're breaking it. All down after each episode on Rob has a podcast. I'm two-time survivor. Rob Sister Nina host rob supplied cast. And we've got recaps interviews with your favourite players and a Community of survivor fans from all around the world so come check out. Rob Has a podcast on apple podcasts. Spotify PODCAST ONE APP or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back everybody. To this week's podcast. It is Eddie Trunk and as I mentioned this week the interview for for you guys is with Dennis Deyoung. Formerly of sticks was a fun conversation. And here's how it went Dennis. Ya Eddie I want you to be I want. I want to put your mind at rest this interview. I've just had my has met suit cleaned and and I'm doing it with it. It's on so. Don't tell your staff your producer. The girl that runs and gets coffee or the Guy. Everything is fine. Hey you know some of the outfits that you wore back in stakes back in the day and the band war you could probably you could probably rock that local once again and get away with it and say it was for for for reasons of the virus as I look at those outputs Eddie I tell all these young people who have tattoos everywhere. Your future awaits you exactly. Kilroy was here right. You'll look back and say that was a bad choice. Listen I wanNA tell you about. There's just there's one Back in the day our manager was such a goof. He never wanted us to do any videotaping of any nature. This is the fact and he didn't want us to talk to the press. This is the fact but there there is a video of this is what happens when you this from winterland and I'm up there with an outfit that I wore for like about Three weeks the worst one I ever chose because the the top Eddie looks like a women's blouse swear to God. I think I might have got it at lane. Bryant tennis you and sticks at that time far far far from the only people in music whether it be seventies eighties whatever who have had some some fashion moments. Let's just say I went back. I did a thing on my facebook a couple of years ago. Right took all the people like the seventies. It was like Lindsey Buckingham. It was me it was greg rally. It was one of the guys you know hall and Oates oates rather than all the dark hair Cat Stevens. All Paul McCartney all the dark hair and the beard and put them all in a row in the picture we all look like the same person and Paul McCartney grew a beard for. Let it be an all of us. Mooks took a look at that picture. You gotta get a beard what happens. Well there's worse things than being there's worse things than being say saying you're influenced in any way by a Beatles. Certainly Paul McCartney no but I'm thinking now found out. He did it because he had a motorcycle accident and he split his lip. It wasn't a fast. It was the cover up here. I am looking like you know tell you I had this full beard and this this crazy here and one day. I saw this picture of me in Saint Louis in the newspaper I took one look at it and they said I look like Charles Manson. I gotTa Shave like that. You know it's interesting. You say that about your your previous manager and sticks because I was just talking on the air the other day. I watched a documentary on Peter. Grant led Zeppelin's manager and he instituted a policy with them. No press no videos at the time and also he wouldn't allow the label. Atlantic records to release singles of any of their music. So maybe your manager took a little bit of a cue from from Peter Grant back in the day. Maybe that was the influence on him. Yeah he was English our manager and listen to this with led Zeppelin in sticks not the same league. Got The guys in sticks we as you can tell we were funny. Philly happy-go-lucky guys and easy to talk to and I didn't have to stand there and posed like replanted. You know what I mean with a bag. The quarters in his pants kidney. So but but the thing but the thing of it is We had something to say a lot of our lettuce. Dick Music was making public commentary and social commentary all the time and it was important for us to have the opportunity to articulate it. Well and you didn't well. You certainly did for many many years when you're a member of that band. I gotTa tell you man. I had a chance to listen to some of this record. You have coming out called twenty-six East volume one and I gotTa say if you if anybody out there listening is in was a sticks fan. I mean you've made a really great sounding record here. Dennis tell us a little bit about putting this together. Well thank you very much. See EVERYBODY I can't. I can't get in on that one I can add. What am I gonNA say? What am I gonNA argue with? You come on here. It is I I didn't WanNa make any more records but the guy at frontiers records Serafino Offering me a record deal and then Peter. You Know Jim Patrick from survivor. He's my neighbor lives. We're literally three blocks from me. He kept rate songwriter. Road Eye of the Tiger for people that don't know and I had Jim on this show. I believe Jim on the show not too long ago because he put a record out of his own not too long ago right. Don't believe a word he says anyway. he kept calling me says. Then we gotta make this record. Come on you gotTa make a record. The world needs your music. I said half the world texts me. I don't buy it so but the gym was persistent. God bless his heart and he sent me a song finally Because look at it. You need songs unique. Great songs to make sure there's no other reason for it and the concept. This is a concept album in case you didn't get it and the concept was don't suck concept all people making records should stick by if you and I told the president recommend I said listen. I can't make an album. Listen you can get some songs the point all you musicians out there listening to the world a favor. If you haven't got great songs go back to Barbara College seriously way. Do you get some good songs together. Then you can put something together. But I was fearful that I had nothing left in me at this point. In my life that was worthy of Ab- strangers attentions and I and I suffered with that and so Peter Rick sent me a song called run for the rose this. It was a sketch of a song and I said all right Jimmy convinced me. This is pretty pretty often great so we sat down. We finish the song and before you knew it we had eight more written. We had to old farts from the outside of Chicago sitting in a room. Same life experiences and we got along perfectly. There was never an argument. Never not not a foul word between us Xm But. I don't think I should say that if I did something really great he'd look at many go. Fu That's what I knew it was good. Wow Okay so so let me ask you this so for people. That don't know Jim. Peter a great songwriter and member of survivor. All of that. But you both of you guys. Being from the same area in Chicago didn't have any digest along friendship and a long history or did you just sort of connect now around this record now. We knew each year we knew each other for a long time casually. You know He he and I sang a song of his records. Fifteen years ago to love somebody. He just asked me to sing it. You know he has guest vocalists come in and all his albums okay. I'll do it And then we tried to sit down and write a song together from From when I say is bar one. Nobody has any prior ideas. We just sit down and it didn't go well he'll tell you the same thing. This time we brought in all our ideas that we had you know sitting around in the Moldy O. Box in the corner demos be done done songs. We didn't finish and then we started listening to each other's work and we went. I would go. Hey what you that's great. And then he would say which one would you. That's great on my stuff and and we just sat down and we started picking things coming up with new ideas new songs and like I said It's called by your one pretentiously enough because I wanted to make my last record Eddie. Didn't WanNa do it anymore. Had My fill and we ended up with eighteen songs and the record company said Too many and I said no kidding I was GONNA I was GONNA win it down. And they said we want them all and will offer you a second album and we'll stick half of them there and have them on the Second. I said Eddie said is there money involved? They said yes they said. Okay so so so the deal was I took the you know some songs and I put him on this one and and we had a bunch of songs written and and and it was. It was a choice will experience and I hope that it comes out in the music. 'cause kid this is all I really do. If you think it's Magic to be a rock musician or a person that's created like this. This is how simple it is. You're ready I come up with some notes right. I come up with some chords. Then they stick lyrics on them. That's all I'm doing. I'm not great magic when I do then is I give everybody. You know I give everybody my point of view on things in the hopes that guys like you and Gals and strangers here that and find themselves in my story Eddie. That's all it is you listen you think. That's not about him. That's about me and that's when you connect Annette level you've got it so basically what you've done Dennis's he made a double double studio record. It's just going to come out in two different parts. Do you know how long before you release the second part. If it's a stiff really quick if it does well you got three or four singles. It'll come out next year sometime now. Pretty look it. We know this in this business. There is no music business. No you're right. Rock music is a business model is dead and has been dead for a long time by which I mean are people still trying to make lock music. Arthur young bands. Have this silly dream. There are and there is but there was no radio for it. You're gonNa tell me the Internet. The Internet is the biggest Chinese menu in the world. You right you don't know where to look there You end up going. Okay Chop Suey screen rule. You don't know what to do. Radio was so vital so important to people having some sort of editor and they didn't always make the right choices. Eddie you know that but they would win out the bad stuff or the terrible stuff and then you can go. Make your choice from a smaller menu. Now it's a free for all the wild west and what really. How many really current rock stations are there? There's plenty of classic rock but the classic don't play New Music. No the classic rock people you know what they tell you. The two most dreaded words in the world for Classic Rock Fans are New Music. So what are we supposed to do? But you know that's why I didn't WanNa make a a a a because if I don't have a conduit at serious conduit to reach people why am I doing this to prove I can do it. No I know how to do it. I want as many people as possible to hear what I've done is I is. I can get and it's not about money I'm telling you and it's not about money or no money. I got money because I lived at the greatest time in history to be a musician. I was lucky by birth when music was central. All young people's lives and they made us guys like me the grand delusion guys like me into these huge human beings in their in their mind into these superstars as it were. Hey deep inside. Let's say many or just kids out here you and me looking for a pat on the head some approval and people to say good job. Buddy we love you is it now. I'll tell you what as you're talking I'm sitting here. You can't see me but I'm shaking my head in agreement because when you say. I don't believe rock is dead overall but I believe you couldn't have nailed it more and speaking exactly like I've spoken about where new music sits today with especially with classic artists and the challenges for it because we all know everyone is going to push towards the presell and push towards that first week number and you'll have a few believers out there that will play the track for a week or two but the reality of having a long run in hit. Singles is is virtually extinct. But the thing that you you said that really resonated with me as somebody that's been in this now for almost forty years in radio you you. The gatekeepers are gone. The relationship people have with music. The specialness to it is gone where it used to be like men that records coming out. I grew up working in a record store. Dentist people would line up outside waiting for that big record. I grew up working in radio. It was a big deal when you put that song on the air you were giving people direction now. Anybody can make music any anybody can put out a record. There's very few really good a and are people that have the balls to say. Hey that's not good enough like you were saying earlier. Go back and work on the songs. And as a result you just got this glut of staff and nothing ever really happens with it and where I get super frustrated as a fan is when I listen to your record. Twenty-six East your record. That's coming out. There is some really good credible viable stuff being made by artists who have been around for a very long time like yourself but it's immediately being discounted because you've had past success and been around so I get totally where you're coming from. I'm seventy three Eddie. I shouldn't be making records anymore. I get that I used to tell that to. The people was trying to convince me to do is let the young people have a chance here. For God's sakes and they said no no no we want your music. Because that's what they wanted and thought to myself okay. I'll do it. We did it there it is I did. Here's the good news. Peter Rick convinced me to do this record okay and because of that. I got to do it with Julian Lennon so that I saw. He was on the record. He's on a track on the record. How did that come about? That's the single that he paid it. It's great they're playing it all over the country right now. Exactly because I've said if there's a pandemic I wanted to release an album in the middle of it anyway So they're playing the song the Beatles. Channels Your Your Beatles. Chandler has played two or three times. They're playing all over the country there. I've got some actual radio airplay the song. I didn't expect it. It's a great song. Kids go to youtube or wherever you go. Fish Nets slap back. We'll give people a taste of the song and I also WanNa play taste when I let you go. We'll do it of of east of midnight because that's the opening track that I liked that one a lot too but we'll we'll certainly do that. Let people hear it on this. Show no problem but how did the connection with? Julian Lennon come about. Did you know him? How did he become part of the record? I'm making my last album. I wrote a song it's going to be invited to which was a tribute to the guys who gave me everything in my life. Which was the Beatles? I watched them to nine. Sixty four was the opening line of the song and it was called. Hello Goodbye Ray. Took a bunch of their lyrics not lyrics bunch of their titles. We've been men were story. That told how much of an effect the People's had on me and then billions of others and I. I made the record many people I see it as a musical. Oh my gosh to those guys others might call it a rip off who knows. But here's what I did. It's two part harmony like John Paul the beginning but always think together and I said okay. Who CAN I get to sing this with me and I started thinking guys I know in the best and I thought I wonder if Julian Lennon with this with me so I go compose this whole letter this own email. I'm GONNA crush them. Then wait a minute. They'll crucify him for doing something like this. I'm very much At Admira joins talent when va? Lot was released. My desert wound was album was released at the same time and it was all over the video shows. Mtv VH1 so. I know him and I think he is. He's a wonderful talent followed him. I bought that album so I didn't do it. I went to the piano and they said what would it be like if Julian and I were singing the song together and I wrote to the good old days I send it to him to versus and of course just piano magically. I don't know the guy never met him he race back. It'd be an honor to do it. We met in Brooklyn. He sang it. I came home. I thanked what he sank. There's the song. Can you imagine this seat so every time things go wrong in the universe something will slip through? That goes right. Well it's good to know my buddy. Adam SALTZMAN programs the the Beatles Channel here on Sirius. Xm that he's on it because that would be great for the Beatles fans to know about that and hear that. I'm sure they enjoy it so it's good to hear he's playing playing it there I talked I talked to Adam. He came out to a concert. I played in. I think Jersey or New York someplace. this past year and I told them about the song and he said Great. And then do you know. Do you know Chris Carter Records with the Beatles. Okay no okay. The name for sure. Yeah he's played it a couple of times. He loves it so it's great so. The record is out on April tenth twenty-six East volume on. I love the album cover. Thank you listen Eddie. Did you listen to with all due? Respect the record no the second song on the album. They send you the whole album. Didn't they? Yeah but I didn't listen. I didn't get through all the way through it. I listened to Julianne Track. I listen to the opening track. I haven't had time to listen to everything yet but I will. I know listen. You must listen to withdraw due respect. You'RE GONNA laugh you're cojones Zoff. It's GonNa Rock your world. My friend I with all due respect is A. I'm telling you that's the one for me and I told I told the The person promoting you guys make sure Eddie. Here's that one but anyway okay. Well I'll get there. I just got the full record like just before we went on the air. So I'll I'll get off. Spent some time with it and I'll definitely listen to the whole thing but I jumped around. I listened to some stuff I wouldn't be saying if I didn't feel it. I was like wow. Dennis has made a hell of a record here and I'm excited for people to hear it. I mean we have a lot of people that are sticks fans fans of yours that call this show and they should know about this record and then and should know that it's coming out in that it's a really really good record man and I congratulate you on it and I couldn't agree with you more about you. Know the difficulties out there and selling it. But who knows maybe Dennis deyoung seventy-three can buck the trend a little bit well from Your Lips. I'm telling you have your do me? A FAVOR. Heavier producer Sample what you just said because I want to wake up to it every morning. Hey you said something a little while ago about your days and sticks and how you made your money and you got money not to not to get overly personal with you but we're you smart with your money. When you made it back in the seventies did invested to hold onto it or did you you hear so many of these guys at squandered it and did crazy stuff and buck crazy shit. Where you where you were you solid with. It married with a kid before I had a record deal. I had responsibilities before I got a record deal. I'm the most conservative guy you'll ever meet. No I was very careful with everything married to the same woman for fifty years. That's one way you lose your money at ease for her. Divorce is see where that takes you through. Same Children love of my life. Got Lucky. Here's the best story. Tunein sixty four. I don't like I wanNA hold your hand. I heard on the radio. Vehicles are coming to cares England. What's that I don't like the song so Sunday night? I'm supposed to go to the big Catholic High School Bent. Hey the chicks at that's where we're going my best friend. Dave said we got to watch the Beatles. I said why I don't dig it. And he made me stay there so. I'm sitting here with my arms folded. You know how that goes right and suddenly go close your eyes and I'll kiss. I went well. I'm at the others. Yeah it was like an epiphany I did. I sat down and at that moment I knew it was going to do for the rest of my life and then two weeks later at the same dance right. I met my wife so when two weeks in nineteen sixty four my professional and my personal life perset so I'm fine not tagged as for Dennis. The you know nobody's going to be on the corner would lollipops saying hey. Can you give this guy in Doe Lewis Money Not GonNa happen good good good and how the pipes holding up man last time? I heard you saying you still sounded great but we see so many singers as they they get up there in age. They start to lose something. They don't have the ability that they want to have the you know they have to. Maybe cheat a little bit here and there. How how you doing how you feeling double two to three things here? We go well into the grand illusion on when you're with me I'm smiling. All right answered all the questions right there man that says it all. That's not a cellphone. I'm sitting in my car with no warm up. Do you do warm up. Usually or no warm-ups group pussies. It's so funny. Because I've talked to so many singers over the years and you'll hear I'll talk to guys that'll do I. They have a two hour. Cool up cool down routine screaming into towels doing all this stuff. And then there's guys like you pussies. I just go out and sing. I told them that cocaine in that in that whiskey would hurt him. You you talked to any the year old bandmates. Last time I had John. You were telling me you very open and honest. About the fact he'd love to go back one more time with sticks any movement on that. Has there been any dialogue or is it still quiet? I've done what I can do. They the Tommy and J. Y. In Particular Jay. Why can continue to lead this crusade? That somehow I'm a pupil face and they ruined the ban. Couldn't be further from the truth. I WANNA do one more tour not for me. I got more money than I need right now. My life but for the fans they deserve all the people have heard about us. And we're never there. I wanted to have one more one. More chance to c Mo Larry and curly on the same stage. That's it They've been really resistance at the whole team whole thing remember they? They basically replaced me when I was very sick. And the truth of the matter is the fans deserve this. Anyone who's real sticks fan? A real sticks fan wants to see it people will come out of the woodwork to see this one last time. That's what I want but no no contact all do. I'm doing a video for to the good old days and for the first time in twenty years. I Want Chuck Tanaz. Oh I am doing a video with home movies and old pictures the good old days and 'cause the three guys that started this band twenty six east is the address of my parents home in Chicago with the band was formed in nineteen sixty two in the basement so work began. So shall it in so I'm searching for all these photographs of the original three brothers Johnny and Chuck and myself to include this video. But let me get permission. I emailed him for the first time and he said absolutely and I thank him publicly and privately for allowing me. Show those three guys without those three guys. There is no sticks. Because here's what happened. We got two gigs. Any Guitar Player. Who ever joined the three the three early mooks? We're joining a band. That were already successful and had gigs every guitar player including JC and especially J Y in nineteen seventy J wise banned. It just imploded right. They went their separate ways. Jay was looking for gigs to make some money and he came and joined our band. We had the gigs. Because you know we work pleasers you WANNA hear this song. Happy to do it. We're entertainers we're not here to change the world. We're here to make you happy. He joined and you're half later. We had a record deal so I think it was a temporary thing for Jay. Why he was just biding his time so we could start zone new band but Tommy show. He joins the band in the nineteen seventy five and November. We'd already had a gold album a hit single and we'd ever recorded now coke equinoxe said we're going to two and a half million copies every guitar player. Whoever joined this join join? Disband owes a debt gratitude to John Chapman House myself. That's why there were three locomotives on the album cover representing the three kids. Who started at all? I'll tell you what Dennis I don't want to keep you too much longer. I'll tell you this one of the things that would help facilitate getting you guys on the stage together would be if the rock and roll hall of fame ever got their heads out of their asses and put stakes in where they deserve to be. I mean I know that it bothers me. I know what bothers sticks fans. I don't know how you feel about it. And if it I doubt it keeps you up at night but obviously it's it's it's ridiculous that it had. You haven't come up on a ballot yet but hopefully now that they've acknowledged journey and some of these other bands of that era. Maybe there's a chance that you guys will finally show up one of these years it. It looks it. Looks like there's been progress in the in the nominating department and a little bit in the voting department but You know is that something that you think about as Yul Brenner. One set in the Kingdom. I can I kissed a puzzlement to me. I don't get it. There was a time when the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I just did an interview with With with Rolling Stone magazine Andy Green and there was a time when I got it John. Winter and his buddies they went out and raised the money start distinct. They took the risk. They went out. We're GONNA make a rocking hall of fame. So naturally the guys who are in who were invested in the beginning they had a particular point of view about music. Rolling. Stone mentality okay. It didn't really include so many bands at originally Jerry. Forget about it sticks. Are you kidding me? Boston foreigner go on the list goes forever. It didn't include any of us And so they're entitled to put they who they want in their. It's their deal but now in the last like you said in the last five years all of our peers. So many of them right. They're going in I. I don't first of all none of us know what the criteria is. It's Wendy does now. It's win they all. They have to the Contemporary Hall of Fame Music Hall of fame. And then then everybody shows up because if he has twenty people what rock and rollers. You get twenty answers because you're defining something that's indefinable and listen. I always say people say how come you're not and I says Leonard Cohen's got our spot you see what I'm saying then important. He's wonderful right. He's a Great Song. He's rock and roll so you know there's that thing but truthfully So many of our peers are in. I'm hoping we get in. I gotTa feel like it's GonNa come around a little bit. I mean still. No foreigner still no. Boston still no sticks. But we're starting to see L. Finally Thin Lizzy was on there this year and some other stuff. Pat Benetton finally showed up this year even though she's not in yet but she's just for what she did for women in rock she should be let alone all the great song. So I gotta feel like eventually it's GonNa come around where sticks is going to show up on there and that would be the catalyst you would hope to to get you guys all up on a stage together and see where it all leads but until that time will will you know hope and see how it all plays out last thing Dennis. Are you going to tour on your own for this record? I know you go out and do some shows from time to time. You have touring plans. Eddie I tour. Sixty shows a year for the last fifteen years. I'm always out there. I play weekends It's amazing the people that come out to see me because listen I'm not even in the band. I helped make famous so I think the people they come up to me. No thank me for the music I made and tell me stories about how change their life. Well look at you and be honest with you. I was just trying to beat Queen and foreigner back in the day. I I didn't know that people in their sixties we're going to be so moved by which six I had no idea because you know you're just you're duping out in the moment but I am the luckiest guy in the world to have had a career so then he sticks fans are out there listening. Hey and tip in my happy you well. I'll tell you what Dennis it's always great to talk to you. I appreciate the time and everybody. Checkout Dennis's record. It's called twenty-six East volume one. It is out everywhere on April tenth. And where should people go online to keep up with you and keep up with your dates and all that? Is it just your name your website or is it a facebook? Where do you want to send people? My facebook page is completely and totally controlled by me. There are no stooges the rhino. No botts doing that stuff. That's me everything I post. Which means I don't post every day to go. Oh Life's good like forget that when I got something to say which is about once a maybe I write you a story. That's me talking and I read every single one of them as my wife says he read them to me every morning while we're waiting for his prune juice to work a dennis. I gotTA run. I appreciate the time. Good luck with the record and we'll talk to you in volume two comes out if not sooner right. Thank you Eddie. I can't thank you enough for. Put me on your radio show and don't forget any with all due respect you'RE GONNA. Laugh GonNa Laugh at what you're going to laugh when you hear this on because when you get to the chorus you're the first time you hear it you're GonNa Laugh. And what which song with all due respect. I'm guaranteeing it. Have somebody say my my email to you and you can go Dennis. I laughed all right. Good I'll definitely follow up with you for sure. Thank you take care of Dennis. Thanks for the time bye-bye. Well my thanks to Dennis. Deyoung formerly of sticks. Great to talk to Dennis really a lot of fun very entertaining conversation. Really enjoy having him on. Hopefully one of these days we can get them in the studio but it was good to spend some time with him and that record that you just her dentist talk about unfortunately has been postponed. The release date as I was mentioning earlier due to the corona virus. But it will be coming out at a slightly later date so keep an eye open for that and I was very sincere about what I said having heard the record. If you are a fan of sticks there's nothing about that record you will not like of course sticks. Dennis's former band recently had to cancel some shows. They're out there playing all the time just like everybody everybody. They are dealing with massive postponement issues. And hopefully everybody gets back into the swing of things very very soon. Stay saying everybody stay healthy. Stay connected with say connected with me predominantly on twitter where. I'm most active at Eddie Trunk and Instagram as well at Eddie Trunk and Eddie. Trunk DOT COM. Thanks Katie Irazari. She produces the podcast for me every week. Remember you can listen a multiple amount of ways. Podcast ONE DOT COM APPLE PODCASTS. And now totally free on spotify. Be sure to subscribe download stream favorite. Do everything again with this podcast and I appreciate you checking it out around the world. It is great to have you listening as always. I'll catch you next Thursday. Another all new episode. Have a Great Week A.

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the mercedes men k you are the favorites to win the championship this upcoming season sitting in for dan patrick brumby up at cetera bnb hey doug godly former clippers tino mobley good morning to you this is the dan patrick show i'm doug gottlieb tino mobley fresh off another game in the big three joining us and we're gonna talk all wimbledon we're gonna talk all wimbledon we're gonna talk all a major league baseball all star games so we're gonna discuss women's world cup i'm getting not to diminish what women's world a women's national team did or what these men's national team didn't do or a what comes comes doing it at sea all england club but a judge slightly earthquake on friday friday night outside of southern california there was they seismic shift in e n v eight and a casino mobley like it could not have been any better you were on my schedule it'd be on this show and we all thought maybe co why would decide before the fourth of july maybe before the fifth of july and ends up being on on friday night the fifth where were you and what was what will get to all the different ramifications of it where were you what were you doing when a it was announced collide leonard was soundly joining the clippers but paul george what's going on first of all what's up guys are awesome i was on the plane naturally going to atlantic victory were you on did you did did you have it i am no i didn't even know and so like i landed on land woke up 'cause i took a red i landed in atlanta and it came up all my a notification and i said are you serious i had a i want them to go there i had a funny feeling leaves gonna go there i thought it was gonna be him k d and then i start thinking about it well you know why may miss a few games in in the west it's the heart the missed some games from a you know kind of body management things so then i saw k d you know going through brooklyn i'm like okay well i don't know if it's gonna be there with another guy but then again you can't count out the oracle right jerry west like you just pulls amount of his had a love yeah i i don't know i look obviously you want a credit jerry west 'cause he is an adviser and every he has the midas touch i mean really amazing i mean i you know it's like you don't wanna give him credit but don't you have to give credit 'cause he is part of this thing but the entire front office really deserves kudos on the other hand it was eight massive herschel walker like trade that went back it it actually in terms so the future makes the anthony davis trade pale by comparison but there's a lot of different levels to it let's just let's first start with collide leonard and the clippers and then will get to what it means to lebron then it means what gets the west and then and then we gotta get to what it means to oklahoma city and the reports out that russell westbrook may have been offered to toronto we gotta get the toronto turning down the possibility of having paul george russell westbrook in collide leonard on the same team like all all of these things are fascinating but first to collide leonard 'em all right so what we think happened and you could only go based upon people you respect in the media and how they covered this thing or in post mortem is he had a a meeting with the lakers which he moved a any move so he could also meet kind of clandestinely not just with the clippers but also with paul george little secret one yeah hold it in apparently he had previously approach kevin rant about the clippers n k d what of new york so then they moved on any move to paul george he convince paul george to walk in the sand press these office and say sorry but i want out so co why leonard to the clippers what do you think in terms of fit what do you think in terms of pick as opposed the lakers and the toronto raptors i'm loving the was limited to the clippers 'em i love jerry west i love doc rivers lawrence frank sam cosell all those guys and then you know the clippers deserve it right you you traded away oh well you know a firm d andre jordan to a longer play griffin chris paul is just it's just what they need it right like the clippers with building and it just can't get over that hump and hopefully with these two guys you know high level paul george high level a co why leonard and then you have these guys it already there which are enough patrick beverly mantras herro you know lou williams of course he's the he's the bench go comb the bench close yeah he's the best guy come off the bench ever yeah but then jamal crawford he's just love jamal crawford but lou williams and he's here's how i'm just asking okay i'm not confident that wasn't in ask okay i'm saying like there's there's a discussion especially if it's different ascii okay go those more so like you like jamal crawford better lou williams w telling me i would say democ look there is no there what it is that no no no no they're they're they're they're one in the same in that they're amazing at their ability to impact the game offensively audio venture 'em i would you know jamal small has done it for longer or as lou has probably done it better in eight shorter period time side who's just into the league but i'm saying jamal crawford it's like the last twenty years this is what he's done it's like one day one be okay anyway good side to the conversation whatever they're doing they it's it's great i look at it and you go like i feel like the clippers have built the perfect thing perjury thing right like think about the difference oh my goodness yes you have you have to to way stars right like two two way stars who if paul george to remain healthy now would probably be the biggest question i have is he had his niece built in last year hitler shoulder problem he was mvp the league first half of this year then a shoulder problem but outside of that you have to two way players you have have pat beverley who's a junkyard dog right like who you know i don't necessarily love as you're starting point guard unless you have other guys that can that can do it in their own right and then he could play on and off the basketball and he's tenacious defensively you have abdi ability to wear zoo botch have a true big but then you down about she reminds me of like mark so little bit yeah i mean like he's twenty one years old he's a baby and then but then they then they can go with montrose herrell who can who can switch one through five like they have an you mentioned the scoring tiles they have eight nine deep end then you pointed out maybe this is the most underrated thing front office all kind of fits in their roles michael winger comes back to be their gm he he negotiated this deal we'll you mentioned lawrence frank who has the coaching acumen as well as the front office document 'em and then having sam could sell having the former player who everybody respects on the bench which some teams lack of that conduit between some of these players in doc who's won a title right in the heart thing in nbn coaching is in order to win a title have have respect the locker room and had respect the locker room you probably have to wanna win a title he has actually both like everything is the only thing holding you back was clippers span and you know it 'cause you've lifted you understand it right like the clippers no matter how much people like what they're doing they're still seen as the clippers and for quiet leonard to shit on the laser just a pass i understand but it's it's big like they literally never been past the second round i mean i think that's a huge thing we saw a seismic shift more show then turning down the braun it's brooklyn was the landing spot the destination so the knicks and anelle lay the clippers were the landing spot in that little at instead of the lakers that's literally never happened before where somebody turned down the lakers to go the clippers not check this out right ninety two thousand two thousand ten so in the last thirty years how many how many championships at the lakers one thirty years that's thirty five right how many championships chicago one less thirties a six right so who's the most powerful team you know what i'm saying like i'm not going back to a no but i mean i'm not saying i'm not saying that the lakers the in the boston celtics they're not the most the dinosaurs dynasty flavor so long ago we're worried about right now you can make you money small markets right now teams again better right now all the stuff so we like the clippers what i'm saying it's 'cause i'm back in the clippers where it's just like things change right it's not coverage and horses no more it's not like you gotta wait to go home to get on the local about iding changes now it should be pointed out like the lakers said that she had to win the title right the lakers got a shot to win a title but my point is i make is it's not like the lakers it's been dominant leaving the linguistic here's the last thirty years yes chicago bulls has more championships the last new york knicks only a two championships in the last samantha chimps his nineteen seventythree so i know you know what i mean yes but but branding historic branding still work it's it's also work if he's only been thirty years and you won five i understand but i'm only me but here's the the financial dynamics southerner this the lakers some findings now when we talk about winning now 'cause the last thirty years if you're so dominant and his marketing wise you you're a team should be dominating more but it wasn't spread out which is good for everybody michael jordan got six houston got to right so so we'll at all i think we both agree like this is good family no matter what i now point is my point is i think people should be more positive when it comes to oh yeah used to be the clippers will guess what the past like since two thousand five when i got there the clippers who's been making a push so it's actually fairly new as far as them growing through the the aches and pains it's like life in psychology right have you come from a bat a growing up a situation there a bad ptsd kind of situation waystation you're gonna keep doing bad things of hurting the bad things or the universe say the basketball universe is gonna put you in basking ridge you overcome those things to them once you break that he'll toronto raptors will now offer them running and i think that's the clippers did you have been up here and there's so many other good teams double m i i the the the part that i don't think is being discussed enough a damn patrick show doug gottlieb patina mobley infra dan the dannettes is i think this is awful for the small markets do i agree with you that you can make it a ha finding you know financially successfully traditionally yeah i guess gate but what we what we see now with anthony davis leaving new orleans with paul george who paul george made sure he put on his game like this ain't about russ mhm hey so well it's not about russ maybe it's about coaching couldn't be about management there but like oklahoma city an a an end new linens an ad this to memphis an all of those other small market you're sitting there going are you kidding me that we signed paul george last year signed him joy four year contract we move mountains in the trade in we risk it it was a risky move we we we we signed him and he walks in a year later and says sorry but i'm out and now you have to go and load up on draft picks hoping that you hit designed wins the lottery but also hoping that once you design williamson lottery he doesn't walk in and go hey i'm out yeah so i i think it's a it's a very interesting spot the league is in the dichotomy of the fact that players can dictate where they wanna be right and they clearly don't wanna be in those markets and we'll see if denver can compete will see if you talk is on paper those teams looked like better overall teams but we've seen any nb stars win in the stars now line to be an ally with the lakers end with the clippers in brooklyn eventually when kevin durant comes back in these may end in boston and in philadelphia maybe in miami if they get russell westbrook instead of in those small market walkie a milwaukee milwaukee will see like again youngest is telling us all the things we wanna hear about i'm staying this only place i wanna be like we'll see all it takes is honest to walk in and go hey love it here but i wanna go to new york love it here but i wanna go chicago river where i wanna go it's tim allen sam blake griffin to a a a monster deal right then traded in the next year yes it does work it absolutely works my wife seven twenty two for the clippers all the way to the playoffs trading midseason season that gets i i just think it'd be aids on a on a scale when it comes to even if a small markets the way it's spread out and a new things to toronto is of the world milwaukee's of the world you know a listen even in new orleans they have such a young base of guys that eat i love lonzo ball i love and i love what you holiday and i love them what the young core i think he's gonna flourished you're in new orleans this is gonna be a team that just like peaks kind of like the okay see where i'm not saying they're gonna win a championship but they're gonna give they always gonna be very interesting is refund was speaking of new orleans a their leader analyst is antonio daniels for forced arnie nb amy antonio is gonna join this upcoming next we'll get his thoughts on the lakers and the clippers what's this mean to lebron james he could not land the superstar third superstars but they want it and that he clearly wanna have joined him and how do we look at i look at the western conference in having just he used to work for the oklahoma city thunder what is this me now to the relationship with russell westbrook between ross and the team is russell westbrook out and if so where does he land we gotta get the all of this because it was hey seismic shift both 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gottlieb dina mobley in for the boys as we could hinder react duty remarkable friday night and he nbs we're all told hey two thousand nineteen two thousand nineteen two thousand nineteen and a kind of like sometimes you get a storm warning is hurricane snowstorm matter where you are then all of a sudden there's a let down like oh all these weatherman they don't know what they're talking about we've done this before predicting huge ships because of free agency and people like okay well not that big a deal this year it has been a big deal m k d and kyrie are in brooklyn brooklyn jimmy butler is in miami 'em an of course now have paul george ankle why leonard are both with the clippers it'll yeah by the way may have forgotten dimension anthony anthony this is what the lakers and lebron james two thousand nineteen has actually moved up to end casino i would say exceeded anyone's expectations for free agency move and it's not even finish right right you about the houston rockets you know kind of drama that's going on but i would never do a jimmy butler is going to miami iso will jimmy butler be going alone you know who may now are next guest antonio daniels is the former studio analyst for the oklahoma city center but now he's the color analyst for the new orleans pelicans so now he can give us the good what what's really happening in oklahoma city antonio how are you brother hey man when i first of all first of all let's let's dow back friday where were you in the trade went down when you sleep were you in vegas you sleep hours asleep yeah i'm not gonna lie to you that was quite going to the clippers wasn't a surprise i i've been saying from day one i had been in san antonio ben in san antonio still leave here with why was drafted he's cut from a different call so i didn't expect him i don't care what everybody was saying it's just me i didn't expect him to go to the lakers i didn't he's cut from a different call you looked at it he left thirty million dollars on the table leave san antonio go to toronto the fifty million dollars on the table leave toronto and signed elsewhere any left brand jordan the new ballots who does that who thought that you come out of a hundred guys on the street and say look i'm gonna give you a brand jordan's sue or new balance you owe one hundred will take brand jordan but not quite well i said you know what i'm going with new ballot so he has cut for make different call and what i like well why did it with his one decision what's that one decision to join the clippers he eliminated the villain team from the it'd be limited the super team and now may parity back evident when nb i like that 'em okay so there's a bunch of different stunning parts to it let's start with the paul george thing is the most surprising and paul george paul george of course had just rehab last year with with with the thunder and didn't even give the lakers meeting didn't give me like so 'em you covered the thunder for last how many years were you did you covered under for for why why he he instagram grand out of all this love george russell westbrook why would he leave rush a year after committing to staying with the thunder because if this situation was on the table a year ago he never would have signed back with oklahoma city thunder the fact of the matter is the clippers could offer him something that russell westbrook sam presi clay bennett and the oklahoma city thunder cannot compete with it they could offer my opportunity to go home one any opportunity to compete for championship immediately so this has nothing to do with russell westbrook i know that that you're gonna hear it you're gonna hear oh kevin rent was there and he left an james harden with their and he was traded away and now paul george this has nothing to do with russell westbrook paul george relationship they have a great relationship this is business the business decision this is the clippers saying you know what you come here with collide leonard lou williams much worse herro we give you an opportunity to win a championship now and honestly there the fucking wonder i think the nbs front runner to win the it'd be eight championships especially with kevin the rat being out you go back to oklahoma city i mean look you have wasn't westbrook you have stephen adams you have jeremy grant yeah you're gonna be competitive you're gonna be relevant people are gonna watch you but you're not at home one and you're not competing for championship immediately to this is not about the relationship between russell westbrook and paul george this is about paul george having the opportunity tony to win a championship now an ally i i understand and i love what you're saying i just it's very confusing to me eighty that paul up with those two what russell westbrook and paul george george you know him leaving after signing you know such a deal that he did it okay see if it's not about russell wilson they don't i don't i'm i'm i'm confused it's like well you don't think that he can't win with okay see invest so because russell's in amazing player as i you know i think on his injuries the past few years a ton of took a back seat to his workouts in the summer which you know kind of shows the season but i'm pretty sure russell comeback a you know better than ever but you know i i just don't know paul george had a you know shows injury you know what i mean like they did it but they were in a hundred percent so i i dunno i just think russell westbrook and paul george you don't think they just had nothing okay see something i i don't i don't i don't think i don't know if paul george russell westbrook feel like they had enough right in oklahoma city okay you know if you look at certain deals that they have on the table you know you look at the past two playoffs right they were eliminated first round last year by utah this year by the portland trailblazers both of those both of those series stephen adams embroil didn't play well and they didn't play will be second half of the season as a whole so then it comes down to do we have enough realistically moving forward do we have enough moving forward do we have enough coming up are based do we have enough shooting so people can stop sitting in ross's lap instead of sitting in paul george is wet and give these guys the freedom so they don't have so much responsibility though when you sit back any all season and say man 'em let let's let's look at this team in three analytically do we have enough to compete for nb eight championship when you lined yourself up against some of these other teams in this league i don't know what paul george felt like they had enough i i i'm not sure i know i mean you look you paint the picture and then you know they they even drafted non draft shooting you know they had been able to move they they have a couple of contracts you know dennis schreuder is not a great shooter an end the china move that deal and they hadn't gotten it done so i understand the frustration i do think though that you you did kind of know what you thought you had a year to know what you signed up for and you signed up for all right so so there there were no way though though he was the right way that's the thing he did this the right way like if i'm anthony davis or any other free agent out there that do it i'm gonna get almighty first right that's what this is a business decision by him he didn't leave anything off the table he said let me get my money let me get this let me see i work let me take a few other landscape and if it doesn't work that way better opportunity presented itself the same thing that organization due to individuals every day i can't fault them for that now that's beautiful beautiful 'em i'm the counter to that is you're the you're the small market organizations like even when you work for now like that's the fear in new orleans right which is hey weekend draft all these guys in both teams oklahoma city down new orleans basically control the draft over the next millennium a new raft these guys but the second they decide i'm out what what do you what do you do i wanna go i wanna go home or i wanna go to a layer wanna go to new york it it it becomes very difficult to have the balance of those smaller powers if things are perfect for those guys but off then or or guys running to new york in that way now happened is i said i'm just thinking what do you think wait wait wait hold on wildly antonio daniels are you guys both ostriches are you not watching just announced this year's just don't i just happened when i when i was trapped in nineteen ninety seven i think one of the biggest thing that guy talked about what's markets i know elway oh miami oh new york or chicago man says social media has become relevant guys couldn't grow get ran from anywhere i i'm not just wanting i'm not disputing that but what you just said miami jimmy butler went there you just said mark kyrie irving and kevin kevin durant went there you just said outlaying anthony davis just went there and collide leonard and granted i understand the southern california but just contradicting yourself they don't wanna rush i'm gonna let us talk about the past five years new york brooklyn hold hold on wait is actually it actually has happened before westbrook way person got there i know daryl williams didn't turn out the swagger idols hold on and off it's happening again that's part of the seismic shift that's happened in in may know but you guys you're you're you're you guys you're you're not paying attention to what just happened and you're denying the happiness has the bron james what you're doing right you're you're bringing panther of the moment about this year i think it's fantastic that it had been there since it looked like why why paul george didn't even take a meeting with the lakers last year i go back years before there were guys that even they've even got the marcus aldridge a ton of guys have turned down the lakers and not gone that that no one has gone to the next and i don't know how will now go to like come on really how only anthony went to the knicks me tell me what happens when you call anthony amaury starter meyer heartedly yes yes i i don't i don't like a whole i'm just i just gave you ask when's the last time frazier sign with the knicks like i'm not going tonight when they were nineteen seventy gave you that amount of resolving how you're how mellow anthony he went to the knicks when my wife had yeah that's what i tell them you guys go i yeah i would walk six seven years ago who was some heat nobody well there you go because he's somebody who has any fade lebron james went to miami like doesn't have much when demaim and he got chris bosh and dwayne wade already they're like you guys i okay so i i actually think i prove my point i'm not saying historically it's always happened but you go you're prisoner of the moment i'm telling you what what friday signified as they shift one you could go to brooklyn instead of the knicks you know the clippers instead of but ideally player empowerment the idea of player empowerment which we all agree lebron james has brought a star players and yandi eight it's allowing these guys just say like hey look i wanna be in a place i wanna list and that's what's going to happen and it's it's the reason that new orleans it's the reason that memphis it's reached that oklahoma city you're loading up on draft picks is because it's see only possible way they compete and we also know you can't compete with younger players in order to win win big let me get to the other part to it in this is the big thing antonio dane is joining us he's the color analyst for pelicans games which should be super exciting but having left oklahoma city and knowing russell both you guys know russell as well as you know him apparently he was on some level offered to the toronto raptors as part of what could have been a deal to save this thing in toronto and so when i read that i said hey no way russell's going back to oklahoma city if they ever mentioned trading him but you guys know him better is the genie out is the genie out of the bottle is there any way he comes back in and plays in oklahoma city i i think the only way that he comes back and plays in oklahoma city and this is gonna sound like oh well duh obviously they cannot move him because when he is under you know when paul george put out that message to the oklahoma city thunder fan russell westbrook with the first one the comment on it and say hey man you know i know what it is which basically meant russell westbrook knew what was going on this did not taken by surprise like it did when kevin durant left but what may have to russell westbrook but by surprise with the fact that his name was mentioned in trade talks wait a minute i i'm the guy that stay loyal to oklahoma city i'm the guy that you told that you know we wanna build this franchise around moving forward and now my name's have all been trade talks yeah okay well that's k get me to miami get me to detroit kept me somewhere else because russell has a lot of pride within them yeah they lot applied within them and they will be very difficult for me on this day in july the pitcher russell westbrook any jersey opening oklahoma city jersey opening the see if it were oklahoma city thunder hard the pitcher i liked him miami russia miami would a jimmy butler in those games who did you with blake in a german where you doug i haven't been withdrawn i think we amazing i think the question from miami is do they have assets looking at what can they send back in return a detroit has more assets they could send back in return and then you know other other one that intrigued me is is the knicks frankly is you know because he is he is they big brand end i do think he would like the bright lights and big city i don't think the lakers would have anything the trade back but there's a guy who would love to have it only thing with the nixon a lot and you know just say the knicks yeah i don't think you have a fighting chance you're gonna you're gonna see a twelve year you you injured a lot like it's just a lot of detroit or miami if i was him even though you might not have a lot of assets in miami i'd rather go to those places because at least i have achieved just have the least at least what miami what you get in return you get an all star leafguard men goran dockage union allstar league are not saying that's obviously you know he's not russell westbrook right but you have somebody buddy that'd be starting point guard in return you bring waiters brag you bring a first round draft pick back in for someone else in there i do agree leaders back you know i know but i'm just saying sometimes you have to take going sometimes you have if you really wanna get rid of russell westbrook deal in his contract and move on and start the rebuilding process you won't have that big of an issue bringing back the waiters every time a lasting all right let's let's take a breath an gimme your thoughts who did we now he's seen philadelphia reformed themselves we've seen boston who may have less talent but better chemistry you'd you'd think um you see brooklyn brooklyn is a year away at least or maybe nine months away from from seeing kevin ran on the floor yet the lakers you got the clippers utah i think did well i don't know we houston still very much do they stand pat but as of today antonio houston last gimme your top three or four in order if we allow oh we that's a toughie 'em with the with the west are what happened the clippers 'cause i think the clippers are right now the front runners just because it's not just because of the two stars they acquire but also what they already had their with lou williams montrose heroin some of those other guys a man after that i love these these moves that the utah jazz made i love the moves that you may acquire my colleague maligned by by donald vich you know those guys the shooting so the put spacing around somebody like rudy go bear you allow the opportunity to kind of do what he does best 'em the lakers they're i mean they're going to be really good there this is not the los angeles lakers last year because lebron's not by itself so now you bring over in motivated anthony davis and put shooting around it you put danny green in some of those other guys around him and be on the lookout for kyle korver as a matter of time before cow korver ended up in layers will 'em fourteen man good luck good luck and that's when we talk about parity well you'll you'll like houston at all i do like houston but the thing that that that kind of bothered me about houston i felt like houston a i felt like they panic and overreacted you know it's delic it's gone rogers is going in or roiling is going the coaching staff is gone they lost to the best team in the mb eight three the last four years there's no shame in that what they would like to share this thing apart like no what you do is you wait for your window window it just happened when kevin durant went down unless you're window klay thompson goes down that's what i really like the houston rockets overreacted so it'll be interactive see their chemistry this upcoming year antonio great stuff 'em unfortunately only got like half a half of zion this a in some one half of zion in the summer league but were all excited just write a you call what what did you think of zion very limited time we got the same in some really fees what we expected he's exciting 'em in you know the thing is you guys helped me out with this i am constantly who is who canoe compared to if you go back in history you same guys with that build but you've never seen guys with that built in that athleticism and that agility you know so you could look at at charles barkley as great as a career yeah one of the best proper whatever he was not that exposed as i on it you could look at larry johnson he was not that exposed but both those guys were physically built they were strong they were agile but science a little bit different just like when the block came in the league we had never seen anything like it before as i on now being nineteen years old that strong that athletic with nothing but basketball about time on his hands at the ability to improve climbing interesting it's it is i would how would you antonio forty four okay so we're like oh you're a little bit older than me but it but like same age then she used to watch the mbh superstar star video you like roll around the remember the mb superstar video oh okay bark now people remember barkley more phoenix in houston barkley whatever the guy with the sixers he was a free gas now he i i agree with he wasn't it wasn't zion they end zion's only just turned nineteen but you fleas i am right now on his baby fat right now yes he needs to he needs nutritional die a nutritional right now because i don't i don't that's not gonna keep you can't relate you could forget about it yeah but right but in in in the way that the pelicans play an album victory system of getting up and down the floor and pushing that basketball he believe me come october from the second week of october silver the first week of october will be in shape it's referred to that yeah i'm gonna have to will see here from you demon i'm new to you too man hey bank hunger antonio brings up painting energy next time hunt seriously young male in tonio brown has a color analyst republicans thanks thanks so much town doug gottlieb in for dan an end the dannettes a there there was the there is there is there are other sports outside side of bnb but none have been affected as much what's this mean for lebron james will get that upcoming next support for the dan patrick show podcast comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home is so much more than a house it's their own little slice of heaven that's why when you find the perfect place for so you and your family 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for dan end the day has a look i mean watch golf play against a loan how she's i mean just fifteen years old imagine meet you and i and fifteen years so i mean i put my pants well i have i have twin daughters her thirteen years old and 'em though one thirteen year old sounds like she's twenty right and and the things that she says the idea that she would be on center center court at wimbledon taking a one of the top ten players on earth competing in competing well the comeback that she had what's that friday morning as well like it's it's it is it is crazy the game sports in we talked about this on a break it's just so mental is like after a while like after you get to the you know certain level it's all meant nothing else i have a podcast they'll be all ball podcast by the way i gotta get you on had a pet garrity a gearhead gary who is assistant gm of the detroit pistons he was my teammate a in orlando orlando yeah so an end something i asked him on the pod i'll give you a little kind of teaser so they all ball podcast you downloaded now on i tunes wherever and i said why didn't reach gains make it a reach gains was the top five pick out of louisville rear end he said like look this is not specific to reach gains on when he traded from houston to orlando orlando the houston many orlando the houston very yet after one year yeah you then have it in the end i like how long did you know he didn't have and he's like look this is not about race gains is more like look there's there's like you know there's there's dude's any nb there's the elite stars like like everybody else kind of the same we'll get all play an heat in say he didn't he didn't say mental game he said look there's just the level of confidence that guys have an the game other guys the league it'll take it from you and if you don't have it you can't you can't cut it and i would say that's the that's the part of sports we talked the least about my we talk about culture now which is great we talking about conditioning we were just talking about zion williamson i asked again south and in better shape so he doesn't does that hurt eighty percent what he put in his body right it's not about lifting right i want people to understand just like to begin to get adds it starts in the kitchen right to to be able to have a long it starts in the kitchen yes yes like oh let me job what else wrong no that's not how it works yeah i i actually had this conversation my wife she's like well you know it's genetic as like yeah something like yeah if other people in your family terrible terrible you're gonna you're gonna be heavy exactly 'em but i don't think we talk enough or late enough about the mental makeup of guys that make it and the lack of mental makeup of guys that don't end as a guy who's made it an by the way like there's a mentality and how you have to compete now in the big three you know that either you have you don't have the especially is physical is that sport is a challenging is that's 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DHS Compiles Intelligence on Journalists  Including our Editor-In-Chief

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DHS Compiles Intelligence on Journalists Including our Editor-In-Chief

"What's the understanding in the rank and file of how you're supposed to do your job and how important do they think it is to operate in a framework of intelligence under why to follow the rules it's a nuisance where maybe limiting for them do they have a regular practice of consulting with their lawyers? You know do they just sort of looked to the bosses in what tone of the top of the setting for them I mean I think I know the answer to that at the very top of the executive branch and maybe know leveled out. But. What's curious what I'm curious about and potentially really frightened about his the extent to which. That style of operating thinking and acting. has sort of permeated down through the rank and file. I'm Quinta dressing and this is the l'affaire podcast August fifth, two, thousand, and twenty. What if J. Edgar Hoover had been moron. That's the question law fares editor in chief Benjamin witness asks in a new article about his experience learning that his tweets had been written up in an intelligence report by the Department of. Homeland. Security's Office of Intelligence and analysis. After reporting on an internal DJ's document I'm publishing other documents to twitter would is learned the I and a had distributed intelligence reports about those tweets along with the tweets of New York Times reporter. Mike Baker. After Shane Harris reported an days activities at the Washington Post Dhs announced that it was halting the practice of collecting information on journalists and the head of the office was reassigned. It's a bizarre story. So we brought this on the podcast along with former assistant attorney general for national security. David. Chris to discuss. It's the law fair podcast. August fifth DHS compiles intelligence journalists including our editor in chief. So. Ben. You've had eventful few weeks when it comes to your relationship with the Department of Homeland Security A. So for listeners who are just tuning into the story now, can you start by giving a brief overview of what's been going on in your neck of the woods? Sure. So. Back, on July Twentieth, I received a document from a source at DHS intelligence and analysis that described DHS activity. With. Respect to. Protesters and specifically described authorized surveillance with respect to protesters in connection with important values like the protection of monuments and Steve. Vladeck road and I wrote about this document for law fair and in response to that article I started receiving other documents. and. Because these documents were some of them were kind of small bore necessarily worth full-fledged article themselves. I simply tweeted images of these documents on my twitter feed unbeknownst to me of that became an issue for. S. I N. A. WHO began filing intelligence reports about my tweets in total they filed two of them one for a tweet about a document complaining about the leaks and the other. About a tweet disclosing document concerning a nomenclature change regarding protesters. And I was unaware that I had become a vhs intelligence subject until Shane Harris of the Washington, post? Called me last week and informed me that he had and was intending to report on these two intelligence reports about me along with a additional one about new. York Times reporter Mike Baker. And so you wrote a piece on law fair about this that opens by recalling a piece that you wrote very early on in the trump presidency about the travel ban what you called malevolence tempered by incompetence and playing that to the current situations spell that out for me. Why is this malevolence temper? Bank competence? So, first of all, since you of all people are asking me this question, I should say that the phrase malevolence tempered by incompetence is an adaptation of a slightly longer phrase that you wrote. In. To me that the day that I wrote that article and it's actually an adaptation of a Quinta Jurassic Ism. But look I. I coined the phrase malevolence tempered by incompetence to describe the way. The trump administration has these horrible ideas and executes them. So incompetently as to be if not quite harmless certainly much less harmful than they would be executed with a modicum of of ability and that's kind of what this This is an example of that. The idea that you're collecting public record information and treating as intelligence public record information about journalists doing journalism and I'm only sort of journalist. But for this purpose I, am I am one, the function that I was playing here was very much that of a reporter. the idea that you're you know collecting and reporting on that as intelligence is really toxic stuff. The specific thing that they were collecting and reporting is laughably silly which is to say they collected tweet which goes out to four hundred thousand twitter followers. The nuts before anybody clicks re tweet you know. They. Dressed up in kind of intelligence ease a tweet. and. No competent intelligence professional would think that this has anything really to do with you know the task of gathering information that has anything to do with the protection of real. Homeland Security, and so it's kind of goofy at the level at which it happened but. Toxic at the level at which it was imagined. So David you've worked in the Justice Department, you're very familiar with the laws and guidelines that govern intelligence community activity from your perspective. Is this malevolence tempered by incompetence? Sure seems that way or at least it's very hard to make sense of if you look at. His procedures and try to square the circle of fitting this. intelligence reporting into them I mean for one thing there does not appear to me to be any reasonable belief or basis for reasonable belief that dissemination. Of Ben's tweets would assist the recipient of information about bannon fulfilling one or more of the recipients lawful intelligence, counter-terrorism law enforcement, or other homeland security related functions, which is the core language of the. Guidelines around dissemination of this kind of information. I mean, there are some exceptions to that that allow for dissemination with higher approval, but again, the question would be to what end. It just seems really weird and undisciplined and I don't I. Don't get it. If there's a joke here, I don't get it. So let's talk about the specific agency that's at issue here, which is the DA's office of Intelligence and analysis. I Day Shane Harris wrote in his Washington Post piece quote the Intelligence and Analysis Office for years in the butt of jokes among larger more established agencies like the CIA and. Who Liken it to a team of junior varsity athletes that struck me as pretty harsh David. I'm curious for your perspective first off just sort of weird as a fit in the intelligence community and is that an accurate description of of how other agencies view it? Well. It's the just intelligence entity that's part of the seventeen member. US intelligence community. and it's created to handle intelligence and analysis for VHS, which is a gigantic sprawling. Patchwork quilt of stuff put together by Congress after the. Nine eleven attacks, and in terms of the attitude of the other agencies towards Ira I would say that what Shane wrote. Is Not inconsistent with what I have heard I. Don't pretend for a moment to have a comprehensive or statistically reliable. You know meaningful assessment of what the rest of the intelligence community thinks of them. But I have no basis to disagree with Shane's characterization and his reporting in that regard I would say. So, Ben I want to talk a little bit about the specific document that sort of started all of this, which is the document that you and Steve reported on live hair. As you mentioned because I think that gets to some of the questions we're going to touch on about whether or not. This is within days authorities help authorities are being defined. So the memo the headline of the piece was Diaz authorizes domestic surveillance to protect statues arguments can you just walk us through what specifically this memo is and how much of a departure it is in your view from the kind of stuff that I would usually be doing Well. What it is, is a document that. Purports to. Implement at least it sort of purports to be implementing the president's executive order on. Monument protection. That was issued back I think in May it is a document that interprets the protection of federal property. And monuments whether they are federal or not. As a homeland security priority justifying surveillance subject to the normal rules of DHS surveillance. So. What it does is it it basically articulates a new homeland security priority. That can when you are acting pursuant to it be an adequate basis to justify collection of public record material on individuals. I thought this was a pretty extravagant. When the president. Executive Order had been issued a lot of people including me thought it was a kind of a do nothing. You know press release dressed up as an executive order but here was D. H.. Interpreting it as a you know as a basis actually to collect on people. So I was you know found it pretty surprising and a pretty significant departure from what I had thought of as DHS core mission back when Congress created DHS, they were thinking of Big Homeland Security problems like you know WMD terrorism and Al Qaeda right and I don't think they were thinking of sort of local property crime. So I, it was pretty surprising. David when curious for your thoughts on that, my mouth I guess I thought it was also mostly for public relations I. Mean if you have a high paying tards, I wrote a long piece on welfare awhile back on the as internal guidelines for open source. Collection this can be compared against that baseline. It seems to me understandable and legitimate that if you're guarding federal facilities like a federal courthouse or some other facility and you see on twitter, Hey, let's gather outside this courthouse Orleans all you know doing assault on DHS headquarters. Okay. Guys meet up at seven PM Yup. That's the kind of open source collection for the purpose of protecting a federal facility that you could imagine the government undertaking. And you could imagine you know beefing up protection or whatever they do in response to it, you can imagine disseminating. As appropriate depending on the nature of the target, this is Just. Pretty far removed from that. I mean. At the outset, just what are they protecting here I don't say it's legitimate to protect federal statutes are monuments I mean the Washington, monument for example, but you know event to go and pursue. Dissemination around somebody like Ben. About him. We've all had our suspicions for a long time, but still he's a US person and he's you know just. Responding to leaked unclassified unclassified materials and disseminating that gets even potentially as far afield as to the five is old. It's not clear to me whether it actually got to the five is or any other foreign partners it just seems. I I duNNo. Just Bizarre I. Don't know how else to say it at. Putting aside, the sort of internal materials themselves that came out suggesting that there may be some efforts to lead on the wheel can use certain vocabulary and characterize certain threats in certain ways. But just the idea the like ends tweets get circulated I'm struggling for the the hook I suspect the Inspector General of the May struggle to find a hook in their proper purposes in Da, justice, proper purpose I I guess they'll have some kind of leak theory or maybe it's like this weird incitement I'm straining and I can't find a good way to make sense of this in the framework of their rules as I understand the. Yeah so I wanNA talk through the rules. But before we do that I, think it's important to sort of lay out what open source intelligence is and why in your view the Ben's tweets are not it? What. Like when an agency is collecting open source intelligence what kind of stuff is it picking up and what distinguishes that from you know a tweet that goes out to olivennes followers. So the rules are detailed and exacting a complicated as you know wrote wrote a very, very long piece on this CIA. Has Fairly long procedures as well that we're a G. approved, they're publicly available on the Internet if you WanNa, go find him. and. The the first thing you've got to have it. It's really like the baseline requirement for all intelligence activity particularly activity the effects Americans involves US persons. Under our system is just a a proper intelligence purpose. and. So as I say I mean you can imagine getting open source information about you know efforts to incite a riot or attack federal facility in blow it off or something, and that's one thing is the dogs lawful purpose to protect federal facilities. What's weird about? Ben Situation is it's kind of one big step removed from that, which is it's It's reporting on somebody tweeting about a leak of unclassified material. Concerning how digest characterizes certain activity in in its own reporting in this email from the head of the Agency of the element it's just it just very far removed from a proper purpose and that's sort of the first and most essential basic. If you don't have a proper intelligence purpose for something in the intelligence community particularly US prisons be doing it. I. Just am not able to see it here. Know the. The reason we have all these fancy guidelines, detailed procedures, requirements in that as a fundamental proper purpose requirement is 'cause we have seen in our welcome to maybe not in your lifetime, but certainly in Ben in mind lifetime's the radical abuse and politicization of our intelligence community at intelligence agencies. The pursuit of fully intelligence to serve incumbents an all kinds of really grotesque stuff and it's from that. Terrible history that all these rules and requirements emerged and that's why they're so important because without them, you could find yourself. Slipping, into a very, very dangerous kind of an environment and so this whole idea of intelligence underlaw is wonderful for the lawyers. It's it's great and you have all these detailed procedures which are pain to have to read through. But they're there for a very basic reason which is that the lessons of experience have taught us that if you don't have these kinds of restrictions, you can get into some very, very bad trouble very very. Quickly and our norms against that kind of thing in our rules against it, you know have really only been in place since the mid nineteen seventies, it doesn't you know it this is not a two hundred year tradition. This is a relatively new and I worry sometimes a bit fragile tradition. So you have to take it very seriously when you have an apparent departure from such a baseline requirement as having a proper intelligence purpose. Then do you want to add anything to that? Yeah I just add to that The list of proper intelligence purposes is spelled out with some precision in the DHS guidelines on this sort of collection and I think it's actually worth going through the list of all of the all of the general mission set categories that can justify surveillance because I think it gives you an idea of. How far from that this at least superficially. Appears to be. So. there are two broad categories of DHS mission that can justify domestic collection. One is what are called national missions and the other our departmental mission. So the national missions are a international terrorism threats be the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, C intelligence activities directed against the United States for international criminal drug activities and Lastly, other hostile activities directed against the United States by foreign powers, organizations, persons, or their agents. So none of those you even. Within a hundred miles of collecting my tweet. Powerful and important though I, flatter myself that I am. So then the second category is these what are called departmental missions may include. Domestic. Terrorism threats again, there's no plausible domestic terrorism threat you know collecting my tweet is gonNA protect against. Threats to critical infrastructure and key resources now I suppose you could say that you know this is about protecting federal property and so those are kind of key resources. The problem with that is again, that's not what the tweets are about. The tweets are not about any such that they're actually about DHS information control, and so even if you if I were tweeting about, you know, hey, I think people are GonNa blow up the statue than I you know you you'd be plausibly within that zone, but here I don't think you are. see significant threats to the nation's economic security, public health or public safety including but not limited to local manifestations of national threats local outbreaks of diseases reasonably likely to pose the risk of becoming a national pandemic. I don't think that one's plausible D major disasters and other catastrophic acts and e any other threat of such severity and magnitude that effective response would be beyond any of the affected state and local governments such that federal assistance would be necessary. Well, again, you know this is not plausibly within any of those ambitions in my judgment. So those are the listed Basi's now to this you can add based on the memo that Stephen I wrote about you could add protection of monuments. Even privately held monuments but no DHS officer or any other state local or tribal or foreign government is to be in a better position to protect a monument or a federal building because they are aware of the DHS documents that I made public and so I, you know again, I think the whole thing as pertains to me is kind of comical but the first major point that I really agree with David. You know they should not be collecting at all anything about anybody. Unless it is reasonably tied to one of those missions sets and you know that is just not not obvious. Were not obviously within ten miles of that under the in this situation. Yeah. So that gets to my next question. So if I, if I wanted to play devil's advocate, right? I could say you know okay they collect a Benz tweets. You know he's said in the piece that he's not scared and he's not gonNA stop tweeting. This doesn't seem to be a particularly big problem for him like. So what what's the big deal rate so? Spell that out for me a little more benedict I'm curious for both of your thoughts like why why is this concerning on a broader scale? You know. Look by the Ben's right who cares about them to begin with I've read on twitter that he's a very bad man. So I guess at that we don't have to worry. But he's well resourced and he's you know reasonably well protected and so forth. So until I. Agree with your assessment. The issue here is not you it's it's almost perversely sort of probably. For somebody like you an opportunity to try to educate the public. About these issues. So I'd much rather have them do this about you than about some ordinary person without as many resources without as much expertise and so forth without without the same kind of platform the spooky thing about it I think is. As you've said, who's next. And what kind of in Tarare more chilling effect you know does this kind of thing have on people at least once it becomes known and? Also harking back to what I was saying before what does it tell you about the way in which? People in this intelligence element are thinking about their mission and about what's appropriate and how they're supposed to apply their rules in what it means to operate within a framework of intelligence underlaw. Again, I'd just don't see how you disseminate this to these entities on the belief that it's in keeping with their recipients mission statement and. So, either somebody just got that wrong? Okay. People make mistakes but you know why did they get it wrong? Did they even ask the question or did they just do it because they were getting pressure from above what's the tone at the top in this agency? How are they thinking about intelligence under? What do they know history? Do they know the reason that these complicated detailed rules apply to them? So I think then is bannon he'll be fine but for others this is more of a concern an as a symptom of a mindset within this agency. I am concerned about it would want to understand I used to be the compliance officer for a fortune fifty company like what's the? Culture of compliance. What's the what's the understanding in the rank and file of how you're supposed to do your job and how important do they think it is to to operate in a framework of intelligence underlaw to follow the rules even where it's a nuisance where it may be limiting for them? Do they have a regular practice of consulting with their lawyers? Do they just sort of look to the bosses in what tone of the top of the office setting four I mean I think I know the answer to that at the very top of the executive branch, and maybe you know level down But what's what's curious what I'm curious about a potentially really frightened about is the extent to which. Style of operating thinking in enacting. has sort of permeated down through the rank and file. Because those folks you know in the so-called deep state who are supposed to. Hold the line on these core values in the rules and procedures. I mean, if you know if if they've been compromised by this and it's a symptom of something larger, that's. Of grave concern because as I said, this paradigm of intelligence underlies relatively new, it's relatively fragile and it's vitally important. I would just add a couple of things to that one. Encouraging and one not the encouraging one is that I actually think there's a lot of reason to be optimistic about the ground level these documents leaked very fast. And the reason they leaked very fast is that the culture at the ground level is pretty strong and people are at the nonpolitical levels are appalled by what's been going on I Anna, what they've been asked do and I actually came away I'm not sure I've gone away yet but I have a lot of respect for the integrity of a lot of the people involved. And I think one of the reasons, the reason that we have a have an IRA scandal on our hands and that the leader of the office has been removed and that there's going to be an IGA investigation and that Adam Schiff is. Knows enough to do the investigation he's going to do the reason is that a whole lot of people have exactly the same values that David just described I think that's actually pretty encouraging. Here's the nod encouraging side the danger here. As David says is not about me and I actually don't think journalists love when journalism is under attack or they that's I. Don't know if they love it but the they that's a story that moves journalists a great deal. For obvious reasons, I don't think the principal threat here is to journalism. I think. The print of threat is to protesters and you know the right to protest is no less first amendment protected than the right to do journalism. That's the same first amendment different clause but but you know it's the it's the it's the same the same basic idea and. You know I am in a as David says in a relatively privileged position there aren't that many people who have a platform of their own actually to between the twitter feed and off air itself. Who have a network of sources all over the intelligence bureaucracy In this case, one of whom decided to feed stuff to my good friend. Shane Harris that was alarming about me. You know that the government was doing now you know that's a pretty unusual set of conditions to exist. And in addition I have you know a lot of lawyers who are potentially at my disposal to assert whatever legal rights I need to assert. So. If you think about the black lives matter activists in Portland Oregon or the proverbial mom in the wall of MOMS. She doesn't have that at any of those things, and if dhs is collecting on her as inappropriately as it was collecting on me, she is very unlikely to find out about it. And if she finds out about it, it is not obvious to me that she has the the ease with that I do of doing something about it including you know from just exposing it to talking about it on podcasts to potentially bringing a lawsuit to. Get some redress and and so I do worry that what we've seen here is the tip of the iceberg and the tip is journalists, but the iceberg is surveillance of the protesters themselves and I. That's my concern and I also am concerned about what is being collected. So in this case, what was being collected is my tweet which I'm thrilled for anybody to read and I think it's great if government officials want to collect my tweets and study them carefully and write reports on them, that are many times longer than the tweets themselves. But if it's okay to collect that, why isn't it? Ok to collect five or six hundred public record About me and create you know some kind of a dossier based on public record information on me or on this hypothetical protester and for that matter, why isn't it OK to add to that dossier a whole lot of data that you might buy from? Equifax or from some other data broker, I can't really see a reason why if one of those is okay the other is not and so I'm concerned both about who is being targeted. But also about what sort of information is being created about them and what sort of amalgamate of Information And you know I'll have to see in the next time. I apply for a visa to go to New Zealand whether I'm to get into the country but I suspect. Wouldn't take a whole lot of intelligence reports to five is countries before maybe your local black lives matter activists would have if he or she is interested in traveling internationally maybe a little bit more trouble traveling internationally than she deserves. So. One of the odd and interesting parts of the story is obviously we've discussed it sort of part of a bigger story about trump's use of dea jess to sort of come in to Portland end stir up mayhem in the name of law and order a lot of the historical analogies to this embedded in European. As the question what have J. Edgar Hoover had been an idiot. Come. Not from Asia's obviously because Deitch as relatively young agency but from the FBI from the CIA and I think it's it's worth dwelling a little bit here on the fact that it's deitch asked that we're talking about it's not the FBI, for example, and that even though the F. B., i. might be the agency that people think of when they think of the long arm of the government given Hoover's use of the bureau to surveilled activists in the fifties and sixties. Trump is bearing down through the Department of Homeland. Security We talked about this on other podcasts but I did want to make that point here and ask both of you. To what extent is this idea? Just specific problem in your view to what extent is it sort of the DHS has is new. It's an uninformed culture. It's run by an acting secretary and to what extent is this something that we should worry about spreading to the other agencies as well. I mean I think it's fair to say that The president trump has. A ambivalent relationship with the FBI. In part because of its role in foreign intelligence and feist collection. Which has said at various times was targeting him or Whatever So I think that's one factor here. Number two, I, think the FBI does have pretty strong traditions of rule of law and following rules and procedures in taking kind of the long view on things of they've held the line in the past on interrogation. And I have a sense that Chris Wray. Wants to be careful about that, and that may be appropriate tone that he setting there I know Chris and I think well of him overall. So you know. It may be as you were saying, Quinta de Jesse's lead up and down by acting officials. Is a younger newer agency some of the people who do law enforcement for DHS. Are used to interacting not with US persons on a daily basis of. So there are some reasons cultural historical personnel. That may be behind this. this use of digests personnel. Having said that I do think. that. There is reason to be concerned across the board about the extent to which the tone of the top trickled down I I share. I share Ben's optimism about this particular incident in what it reveals at. I know from direct experience that there are lots of really solid. A Riyadh ICK freedom. Loving. You know rule following boy-scout and girl scout types in the I see. And I think they can be trusted to hold the line but I. also think that they've been under pressure and the systems been under pressure and I think You know if Biden wins the election I think his transition team's GonNa come in and is gonNA need to deal with this and the psychology that that all of this has created and they're gonNA need to treat it as a real thing they may not want to over emphasize it. They are going to have to deal with it. and. I hope that when they really get through there and look at it, they will find that many of the institutions held almost all the time in almost all the agencies but. I would I'm pretty sure they're gonNA find some real pockets of distortion or a departure from rules. That's very bad. Yeah. I. Basically agree with that I don't see outside of DHS. A great deal of evidence in law enforcement operational law enforcement agencies. Of The same sort of problems that we're seeing in DHS. So on the intelligence side, we haven't seen any CIA scandals over the last few years. We haven't seen any essays scandals, which is you know I think where a lot of people expected to see them given the snowden stuff. There was a lot of concern when trump came in that we were gonNA have you know out of control drone strikes and you know the NSA collecting everything domestically, and we have not seen profound changes much less politically driven changes in the broader intelligence conduct of the intelligence community. I think that is generally true of the FBI, the use that as well, and I think actually the F. B. I. has been wear some of the most active confrontation between the intelligence community and the White House has happened. And you know similarly, we have not seen a lot of allegations of FBI misconduct outside of the sort of normal case specific stuff that you always see you know a given case goes awry and some people do something wrong screw something up that that happens. I you know where we have seen problems of courses at the Justice Department although importantly, it is at the senior political levels of the Justice Department. And we do seem to have a real problem at Vhs, and that problem implicates both their law enforcement components and their intelligence components, and so I do think it is a generally. Encouraging picture that the you know we have not seen widespread corruption of the of the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the country that said, we have seen a series of problems. That need to be taken very seriously, and you know just as when the Inspector General of the Justice Department revealed problems with the FIS process in the Carter page matter you look at that and you say, okay I, you know Devon Nunez, maybe a stopped clock but a stopped clock is right twice a day and you know there were problems in this case and we need to take that seriously i. Do think you need to take you know the fact that I n a is collecting apparently improperly on one person or two people i Mike Baker and me and we have reason to think on a whole bunch of people who are protests sting, and the fact that you know there do seem to be some unmarked vans in Portland that are you know in in contain people in Cammo gear who are? Inviting people in for a conversation to an unmarked van without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. That's a real problem and that we need to, we need to get to the bottom of what the scope of the law enforcement and intelligence activity was and who's responsible for it and under what legal authority they they were doing it. So let's talk about inspectors, general and also Congress and other ways to address this. I believe the DHS Inspector General's opened an investigation into the department's activities in Portland I'm although I don't think specifically and Adam Schiff the chairman of the Intelligence Committee of the House intelligence. Committee has sent a letter to a acting, Deirdre Secretary Chad Wolf requesting information on the activities that we've been describing here so. What do you think the mechanisms are for addressing these problems I'm from what from what we just described. It certainly doesn't seem like a inspector general report is going to be sufficient but from Adam shifts perspective is the right answer to. Hold hearings try to get Chad Wolf in front of him to what extent is this something that can be addressed through. These mechanisms that we have now and to what extent is this something that really. is going to need a change of administration to be tackled. You know. Inspectors General and congressional oversight are probably the two main. Vehicles for short and medium-term addressing of this kind of thing you know there's also journalism that mission some light on things and there are other mechanisms. But those are two of the big ones. intelligence oversight has you know at a lot of problems particularly on the house side recently both under a chairman Nunez then I think it's instill in difficulty under chairmanship it's very divided and very partisan at I. Think it can be done well or badly you know depending. And I don't know how it will be done here. I hope it will be done with an eye towards really getting at. The essential adherence to rule of law requirements and the procedures and not turned into a circus. But you know it might be, and that's not to say that they shouldn't publicize it on the contrary that's part of their role but there are ways to do it that are more or less partisan and approach. And more or less serious on the inspector general side. You actually don't know who the Inspector General of Digest but all assume that there will be a competent investigation and report and depending on what's found and I. Way assume that the investigation into Portland will cover Ben's situation and depending on what's found it may give rise to further investigations I mean sort of the same way in which my ro DOJ, the inspector general they're found serious serious problems that I've written about separately in the Carter page vices and Dan as a result undertook. A review of. A number of other five applications and issued some preliminary findings on that too. Doj responded very recently saying maybe the problems aren't that bad although some of the problems are are not so great like not having a woods file. Can't be. Undone a but but in other words what the inspector general fines will give rise to possible for the review and and hopefully, they will have an eye towards these broad themes like acting with the proper intelligence purpose. Fostering a culture adherence to rule of law and following the rules. and. You know. I? Mean I do think I think personally that a lot of the problems that we're seeing a lot of the cultural pressure to deviate comes from the top from president trump in particular and his closest. Political allies in advisers in sports, and so I do think that there's reason to believe that if there were election inviting wins that you would have a much higher return to normalcy. But in the meantime, if trump wins a second term, you have these existing mechanisms, congressional oversight inspectors, general chief among them to ferret out and get to things they're not perfect. No system is perfect but. You know they they have in the past produced some. Important information and fostered some significant reforms. Yeah I. I will give a slightly less optimistic view of this. I don't think anything's going to happen without a change of administration the Congressional Oversight Process, which is IMP- very important is. At most a remedial madder and the inspector general process in other agencies has been. Trampled on. Both of these are very important processes, but they are responsive processes not. They are not going to be the thing that. The most they can do is hold back a tide or slow it down as long as Donald Trump is in office and wants Ta Jess to be rounding up people, building walls, holding kids in cages and beating up on protesters that's going to happen, and you know the question is, how much can you minimize it and how much redress can you get for it? Not? Can you put Da H. on a solid and responsible course and? I think you know realistically you are talking about a change in administration and the you know the installation of a secretary of Homeland Security who actually cares how the agency behaves across a wide range of areas and you know I do think in a new administration, you're going to have serious thought to whether the creation of the Department of Homeland Security was a mistake and should be the government should be organized in a somewhat different fashion. Yeah that was going to be my next question right is is what this says about the existence of of deejays itself I mean, David. I'm curious for your thoughts there does this further undermined the case for digests in your view? I mean, I think a lot of people have had a lot of doubts about da from before it was created and the advise ability of. Putting together all these disparate components I've seen the difficulty of that kind of corporate merger in the private sector of because for Time Warner shortly after the AOL Time Warner merger. And, I've seen it in government in various ways and I think those challenges have been there from the beginning broadly speaking that is developing a unified culture and identity and bringing all these components together. and I think Kerry Cordeiro has done some very good work recently sort of. Going through it and documenting things that are problematic. I don't know whether anybody really has the stomach to pull it apart of because that will no doubt produce further disruption than an organization organizational mayhem at least in the short term, but you certainly have the feeling that. I do at least and I think many do intelligence community to rip off what you said about Shane's reporting earlier the DA jus- just needs a lot of work to get itself organized. It's a gigantic sprawling agency with a very wide ranging set of missions and it. It hasn't. I. Think come together in the way that that optimists hoped for. An it has been I. think more in keeping with pessimistic predictions from the beginning it needs some real work and the work is not glamorous. It's not headline grabbing. It's kind of putting together the plumbing and the infrastructure and the sort of back office elements that make thing cohere as an agency that is not the kind of work that people typically appointed his cabinet secretaries like to do feel that they will be rewarded for doing. It needs to be done if the agencies to survive in fulfill its mandate. The argument for the Department of Homeland Security was never very good. And interestingly, the department was. Largely. The Brainchild of two senators of whom are somewhat discredited at this point, and so I wonder actually if it will have as strong a political constituency as it has in the past but. Look the argument that. Immigration. Issues, and the Secret Service and the Coast Guard. Should all be in the and FEMA should all be in the same agency? Is pretty logical and there's not a lot of organisational coherence to it. The department has had at least two superb secretaries in Janet Napolitano and. Michael Chertoff. Both of whom are very serious. Able people who have. Who are kind of diversely accomplished and no one's really been able to make it work well and I think that's a pretty good argument for the idea that the department which was created in an effort to bring organizational coherence to all things that related to the protection of the homeland in fact failed to do that and the argument for thinking about whether. You know maybe there is a different way to do that. Is Pretty good now in the middle of global pandemic and an economic collapse with big policy questions like climate change and confronting China and economic inequality on the table. How high up the priority list is this? I. You know I would not argue that this is a a year one item for a for a Biden administration but I do think the. Task of making this agency work may be impossible and. Figuring out which components of it actually. You know actually should belong in a smaller agency and which should go somewhere else why the coast guard is not part of the defense. Department has always been opaque to me. Frankly, you know which which components can go somewhere else which ones can you know are, in fact, the Madikwe Coherent Enough To be part of a a single agency and how you would organize that strike me as a you know a very good question for very smart people like Harry Cordeiro to be spending time on now because eventually. We're going to decide that this experiment doesn't work. All right on that note forward-looking David Chris Enemy of the State Ben. Witness, thanks for joining us. Outstanding. Thank you. The law fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution. Our music is performed by subdued again, our audio engineer engineers accurate frank, and her producer is Jim Patrick Hal. Please rate and review the Lothair podcast wherever you get your podcasts and thanks for listening.

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Reissue Springsteen Pop Songs RTS

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Reissue Springsteen Pop Songs RTS

"To finish up in the week I have an episode where Jim and Patrick joined me to talk about pop songs and what are some of springsteen's greatest pop songs One of the things that Jim and Patrick do fairly often a rock in the suburbs. Is they talk about perfect pop songs. And that's what led to this discussion. Hope you enjoy it. Hey y'all this is Marian Hornak when I'm not singing to my daughter and talking music with the guys from rocking the suburbs. I'm listening to Jesse Jackson onset. Rusting Bruce She just Hillary one. And welcome to a new episode. Is Set listening Bruce? Your podcast. All about Bruce springsteen his music and mostly is fans. I'm your host Jesse Jackson and tonight I'm recording with two of my favorite fellow podcasters. That's right we are rocking the suburbs via skype. I Have Jim and Patrick with me. Hi Guys Hello. Jessie A. Why don't you guys introduce yourselves? You both have been on this show separately and you've been kind enough to invite me to your podcast. But why don't you kind of share a little bit about yourselves and your podcast and then we'll talk about what we're GONNA do tonight. Okay so I'll start sure. Been any point here. I'm Jim I'm Patrick Jim Lennon. Yes people need to know that and For the record when you go into court you have to state your name for the record right so patrick and I and he started a podcast called Dad. Raucously did and we did that for about a year and a half and that was when you were Nice Enough Jesse to have US each separately on your show and that was great fast handing best breakfast yes ever had 'em yes and we talked to you Jesse when we were down in Dallas as part of like a little road trip for the podcast rising that was great. And you were some kind of country fried steak yet and eggs or something here and you have to explain. I. I am a man of size and Jim and Patrick are both thin as rails. I'm looking for them. We're in this diner. And they they ordered pretty of. I was waiting to go. I'll have some yogurt and a little weak grass because they are just rail. I'm like hey. They have. Chicken fried steak eggs benedict. Let's bring it on so great great so we well anyway we were in Texas. Exactly it made sense. I think so anyway. So yeah so. That was great. We met you. We had a great time that breakfast and we talked to them than you had us on your show and that was fun and then we stopped doing the Dad Rock we because circumstances turn intervened in debt and made us sort of go off on our own is right and do a new podcast which we call rock in the suburbs. And we've been doing that for about six months. That's been going on a Monday through Friday. We changed up the format. It's daily show. Now's we try to keep the episodes under twenty minutes. Sometimes that doesn't always work but We talk about music it's I guess you would describe it. Rock suburbs because it sort of gives you the sense of like these are guys. Who are you know? Family dies. Sorta Leading the domestic life. You know we're older gentleman and we'd just love music sitting here in basement right now and I'm surrounded by vinyl records and you know it's an amazing thing and what we found is that there are a lot of people out there like us a lot of people we just got an email today from a guy says you've been listening to us for a long time and he's like fifty four and he's still in the music and he has a hard time. Finding other people share this passion because as you get older a lot of people sort of age out. They only listened to the stuff that they liked when they were you know teenagers and maybe in their twenties. And and here's some what we find is that there's a lot of there are enough people like us. We're total music geeks for life that they enjoy that perspective and they feel like they're hanging out with us and also Patrick. We should mention too that we usually now with the new show. Yeah Enjoy some beverages talk about ear because we liked to Jenkins could be out on me right now. I am drinking a troves perpetual Ip. Which I just picked up at the supermarket on the way over to Patrick's and I bought it purely because it was on sale and it's great. It's fantastic delicious. Yeah so good. Only ranking four. Well I in Eczema appeared music in somehow we Griffin. Cosima came to light that it was coming back for some time so we kept sort of promoting that and then we. We tried it on the back deck at my house and recorded a little party. And we had Ziemba tastings. Yeah didn't go that well I don't know what your experience is As I said I will probably not finish this but I'm sipping it out of loyalty when we do get together we will have to bourbon tasting in honor of our love of Louisville. So one of the things that Jim and Patrick do really well is they. They have theme weeks. They will have a guest that will visit with him for the whole as I do. Air quotes the week And they will talk about different stories they have done cover episodes where they talk about Cover songs they did a great Discussion of great songs. That you're tired of Which I thought was a really interesting for example springsteen's I'm on fire. This perfect pop song discussion started. Give me the history. And that's what we're gonNA talk about tonight. We're Picabo how come up Patrick I don't know what your idea. Then you know what I will. I will say one of the funny things about recording episodes that that published five days a week is. I can barely remember once that we that we had like. You know three four weeks ago. Let alone like several months ago right it. Just there's a lot of content there but the perfect pop idea came up. We're not the first one stoop sort of explore this territory personal concepts right. It came up with. I think the I. I think I was putting together. A playlist on my My spotify account where I was sort of challenging myself. That's what it was. I was telling myself to like one would darted. And that's it okay. So now let's coming back. I was like what would I put together as is a collection of songs that I think are just perfect and then the challenge of course was that I can only pick one song by any individual was initially my favorite song sometimes the best constructed but what makes it sort of like perfect song of that artist versus necessarily the one that you think is your is your own personal favourite right. So let's we came with the idea. Perfect pop there's been some confusion I think people because everybody has sort of a different different definition of pop and so it's like is it A. Is it a pop song? Meaning like it's not a rock song from people right might take it. That way is a song meaning it has like like sort of top construction like this is what I wanna ask you guys about. Right regarding Bruce. Guess and so that's got started. We've done I don't know we probably had about somewhere in the range of about fifteen perfect pops elections both from me and Patrick and then guests of the show and listeners have contributed. And we've had you know we interviewed Chuck Prophet of some people might recognize him as a musician of some note and he contributed to it. We also asked Nami Stinson. The replacements about it right. We haven't actually heard that kit and we still have that sort of been our archive so we have a couple of picks from him. So the springsteen question I think is a really difficult to pull back the curtain on. I so far. They have not blocked my phone number because I tend to call at least once or twice a week because when I listen to this show I I think if something and and so I was thank you. It's so I I was like well. You could go. Glory days or dancing in the dark as a perfect pop song. But I I said You. Don't let me send a curveball. Speaking of glory days to the guys and I won't pick a springsteen Song I'll pick something out and bowling was sup- The girls all the guys bad guys want was something that my son in junior high. He liked that song and I for some reason thought it was just this fun. Great pop song because it had a different tempos and it was clever and just a fun song and so I said okay. I'm GONNA totally go outside of my norm and suggests this a song Wait funny off overseas robber within those two. But I'm dying quite that creaming over into turntables. Bad screaming shoot me gem and Patrick. Email me and said you know you've been asking to be on the show? Why don't we talk about Bruce's pop songs? We think it would be a fun episode and I totally agree. So that's how this kind of came up with Did I remember? Correct guys. Sounds about right. Yeah that's we're going to you know we're going to print the legend right and we're going to be like a Jimmy Stewart. So yes and then the doors blew open and the truth man storm. Eilly US So we kind of did through an email. We came up with our discussion. That will we're GONNA eat. We each picked three songs that we feel are good examples of Bruce writing pop songs. I think we're GONNA have a little discussion beforehand. I I heard you had some questions for us. As he said we didn't pick glory days or dancing in the dark I know I picked one off you know born in the USA But most of us we Kinda pick things that you may not have thought about for the boss. GonNa go around the table but little stephen in the documentary. The you know the promise talked about. He said if Bruce had wanted to be a pop an artist who wrote to pop songs. He believed he could have been one of the best pop songwriters of all time. Now that's bowl claim from the pirate little Stephen but I do think there is a at least a grain of truth to that because win. Bruce wanted to do something. Catchy in and you know. That's easy to sing along with. He's very good at it. What do you guys think? And I think if I'm remembering I I often get the documentaries confused as the one from the promise and there's one on the river the ties bind but I think you're right on that. One didn't even say something to the effect of like you know in two years earlier. Ten years earlier some debt. Like like Bruce. Could've worked in the Brill building. Like he was that good sense like cranking out those those. Those catchy pop song by Carol Kane. Did right right. Yes the other thing to mention is you know. I do think there are certain songs like you said like dancing in the dark one of those that is completely catchy in a in a pop song and had that sort of Berry traditional verse chorus verse structure to it he also was like apparently just like wrote it like really quickly to be a you know when they are like we need a radio single and you could just do it like. That's an amazing thing. The one you didn't mention to that I think you know is is quite perfect but what maybe two. Obviously so hungry heart. Yes I totally agree with that. Yes that is in fact that was I guess. One of his first real radio hits. I think that was a a gateway drug to a lot of springsteen fans hearing hungry heart on the radio So yeah I think so. Did before we give her songs. Or maybe you guys want to share it as you give your songs. What was your criteria in what you thought would be a fair springsteen pop song and GM will start with you. Okay Oh in one of the things. I wanted to mention to Jesse based on your comment about Stevens. An I think he's right in his characterization of springsteen as a pop songwriter but I also think he needs to give him some credit for this too because I think Stevens influence on Bruce. Yeah out out the best in him and you got to think about this before they recorded before he did the born to run album. I would you know you. You didn't necessarily see necessarily a great pop songwriter. In Bruce's work on first two albums I mean there were some touches there but I think interesting but it's not necessarily great like pop songcraft. Yeah right yes so I think I think we'll Stevens really sort of changed his direction and made him realize that you know that you don't need to do all that to write a great pop song. Yeah I think so. And I also love Supposedly Stephen would go really were given this one away. Say the song he's talking about because I suspect it might make one of our lists but You know it is. It's kind of interesting too. I agree with you that you know their friendship. Historically Bobby gene is a lot of speculation. That was their song that Bruce wrote about their friendship And you can tell even to this day Like when you hear Bruce talk about putting the e street band when they were nominated in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. He told the story about him in Little Steven when he wins. Bruce was nominated and Stephen Pushing. No you should wait to. All of us can be there. And and he bruce shared about you know a little bit of hurt feelings and a little bit of ego so they've remained friends for years and I do think they've been good for each other. Yeah I think every great songwriter. Pretty much every great song or needs that that person to sort of bounce things off right after work for you know Lennon McCartney had jaggard richards and even like a Tom Petty Mike Campbell right. They're always like I got my bruce. Guess quarterback Bruce. It's a rumor Al. Take on and it's really a takeoff on song that became more famous later so people know to Brassica write songs called open all night. You know this song St only song in Nebraska With Electric Guitar and then on the river there was a now take of it. Okay take what's called living on the edge of the living Last week but anyway live on the world is a song. I'm talking about in folks. Listen to it. It's just like an earlier version of the song. So springsteen was that good that early gaps. Yeah I I think that's a great song You know one of the things. That's amazing about Bruce's his the catalog of the songs he didn't release you know if those who are not hardcore fans tracks is hey box set of just outta songs that didn't make the cut right and there's like four CDs of songs that is amazing Yeah I I love that song and I think it's a great choice. Thank you all right. Excellent all right now. I get to go right. Go Joe Okay. So since you mentioned tracks Jesse I'm GONNA stick with that for a second here and I'm going to remember a time that I saw a springsteen a few years ago I think I've seen him total of six times and one of those times as a few years ago. He played in Charlottesville Virginia. And Jessie this was so cool because in Charlottesville the arena there the basketball arena where the University of Virginia plays. It's about fifteen thousand capacity. Wow which makes it smaller than most of the normal arenas that that A somebody like springsteen would play usually those twenty or so so just that little bit of difference made it a more intimate show right pipe. The smallest he would play. Would you say Oh yeah anyway? So he's playing the show and they're my friend Chris. Wadsworth disburse show ever saw springsteen and In spritzing plays at one point pretty early on the show. He plays seaside bar song really. Yeah and it was great and then he finishes that up any says we're going deep on tracks tonight and the next played which is one of my of this year which I think is just an incredible pop song in that Brill building. Sort of style. Give the girl a kiss. Oh yes that is so nice. Gosh I would have loved to been at that show. It was great. Yeah Oh that is wonderful Good site oldest. Scott you gotTa Look. I actually have on my all hard. Core springsteen fans have this list of songs they're chasing their version of springsteen Bingo I give the girl a kiss would be close to be on my list. lion's den is one of the songs from wrecks that? I really love that. I gave a lot of thought to perhaps being on this list. I know same thing. It has great beginning. I love that little at Kota Sir. Spoken word ish kind of beginning to so good give me a kiss is from that you know the darkness on the town outtakes. I promise yet area right and the story on that was just. They had so much time in the studio right because they have he was having the contractual issues where is encouraging people. Bootleg shows that period. Yeah right and so he just he just handled this time to record all this stuff. And there's so many great outtakes from that the though sessions absolutely so I I had a lot of trouble. Picking by the way a commercial coming up in a couple months. I'm going to have a couple of people from Europe. Join me to do our ten favourite songs because someone had posted their ten favourite springsteen songs and both of these regulators like. I don't know if I agree with that list. And so I said okay. We'll come on the show and do your own and now than they are trying to. I can't get it down to Distin Jesse you know and I wanted to go. Hey I've got to get it down to three for this episode so but I picked another outtake from the promise. Ain't good enough for you. God to worry about budgeting to about a com march. Do you Jesse you. I think you nailed it. That one is an amazing pop. Song is so catchy. It's got the greatest hook it. It feels like it's a different era but also like could be from any. Yeah Right. It's it's beautiful thank you. Yeah I this is one. I would probably make a mess of myself if he played that live. But I would just be so thrilled to see that so good. I'm glad you guys liked it. Well here's my question for you Jesse as Union. Somebody like yourself. Who's really studied springsteen work? You know he has all these amazing outtakes from those sessions from both darkness and the river in the river. You know Has More of a pop sensibility. I think than than darkness does. But it's sort of like you think that. Why do you think it was that he kept all that stuff out? Those like really poppy sixties. You know influence kind of songs darkness on the edge of town is a much you know. It's in the title much darker. Yes heavier record right was just because of you. Think the The Times right then in sort of like he wanted to still project this image as sort of like a rockstar. And not a Popstar. Something like that. I think that's a fair guess. I also think one of the things you hear if you listen to Radio Sirius. Xm You know. He'll he's putting together that Jigsaw puzzle of the story. He wants to tell him that album. I think he is I. I like hearing people talk about screenwriting. And I'll listen to podcasts about creative people cliche to kill your babies you know. Sometimes you have to kill your favorite joke or scene to make the story work the way you want this the scripture working one and I think maybe that could be him that he has to. Yes this is a great pop song but it doesn't fit what I'm trying to sell and so therefore I'm GonNa put it aside. Yeah I think that's I think that's probably at right. Yeah darkness on the town. He was going for something they're they're really spoke to the Times. I think so So that's what I would do though I I do. We have this discussion. Sometimes when I have a guest on is I would be happy with a springsteen concert that started with tunnel love forward. And that's all he played is songs from those releases and most classic fans will say and I would be okay doing darkness and before and not hearing anything before that So I think it just depends on kind of win. You've found your bruce voice in what you feel for. I tend to like some of the later stuff more than I do the earlier stuff. Okay all right. What do we got next again? Song Jesse from talk about a song like many songs that I talked about I'm going down on porn in the USA on me. That's a perfect song But it's perfect in the sense that when you're hurting in your sad in everything's going wrong view because you had a girlfriend who loved that song girlfriend anymore. Yeah just that just that. I think that when you examine a pop song or a rock and roll song. Whatever kind of Song in you're in pain you examine it so much more perfectly right yet. Here's a sad rock and roll media much more to you than it does. When you're happy you know yeah or it means something different Jim Fright and so no. I was always Saban'll listen. I'm going down at what it's about being sad like. You're no longer good enough everything you did. That made you laugh before. Didn't make you laugh anymore child where we saw outside your house your quiet common around. Put here along to your own off I think that is beautiful. You know I have different drums from winter fronts that I was in college and this girl that I was assumed was going to be the love of my life broke by art and I went into head headphones and just played that song on an album over and over again that was the day. No it's true and I I love that feeling of because pop doesn't have to be happy. It can be the sad song that that you can almost wrap yourself in that sadness and in a healthy way work through that I mean I'm going down about you know going down in every sense but exactly you're right you know it's like yeah. I get that you no longer love me but whatever well we're here for you now and mostly holding for you just need a different drum by the way written by Mike Ness Man. You knew that right. Yes Ed Yeah. Great pop songwriter. Absolutely you know the other thing. I think it's important to talk about and going down is if you're going to write a at least in my mind. You know a checklist of things. That make perfect pop. Song is repeatable phrases. I I don't know if you guys remember you know the there is a Saturday night. Live skit where You know people casual fan seeing the Beatles and they only know the little catchphrases penny lane is in my head and in my heart and then they're river And I think that has a lot to do with pop. You know that that catchphrase are that the chorus or or some the phrase it's repeated and I think that's a great you know I'm going down as a really good example of that so well done all right. Thank you all right. Oh man go. I'M GONNA play off of this. Are Patrick said about the sort of the sadness? The other thing about a great pop song is it doesn't have to be a UPTEMPO song. Right could be a slower song do. And there's a song a later period springsteen song from what I call his wilderness years where he was Without the East Rabanne Ryan do something else. And it's called if should fall behind us and it was originally on Lucky town. Yes which is a really underrated record. That's a really good record. Totally agree but then the version that he recorded with the reconstituted e street band later on when they are running around two thousand. I think When they reformed. And we'RE GONNA go on tour. It's amazing go check this out. There's a video of it that you can watch on On the Youtube or whatever it is so amazing about this song really sort of makes me. It really almost makes me kind of tear up every time I watch. It is that it's one of the only times. I I've ever known him to really allow the other band members to participate vocally in. Yeah track in a in a in a substantial way and it was because he was getting the band back together and he thought like Hey. Let's let's do this song. And each member of the eastern band takes verse in. It's a very sparse song. There's just re really just kind of lovely little guitar part. The melody is just beautiful. But what makes it just a perfect pop song is? There's two things. I is sort of the sentiment of the song. Which originally written was you know relationship song but in this version takes on more of a friendship kind of meaning Great me but In in its simplicity which I think is also important but the beauty of it is you know when you write a great pop song true greatness it has like a universal truth yeah right yes and. I can't really think of a relationship song that kind of speaks to what Are All about better than the lines I'll wait for you and if I should fall behind wait for me. I mean honestly like you does. Does that sum up what everybody hopes for wants and seeks in in terms of relationship right and so i. It's really beautiful lovely song. It's very simple. It has almost gospel feeling to it and It's just a perfect pop song lease Jolla that we were stay with each move Is All week for me. hum a lasting What this wire too Let's May steps all the other C full. You should have full Sued we will each Shadow of evenings re I totally agree. it is my Go-to If I'm writing a card to someone that's getting married you know. I tend to quote some of the lyrics. I also I don't know if you've seen but They do kind of a waltz version in the when they were in Dublin and so it changes the temple little bit. It's definitely worth checking out I mean just to quote for a minute because this is truly one of my favorite songs. Now everyone dreams of love lasting and true over at you and I know what this world can do. So let's make our steps clear that the other may see. I'll wait for you and if I should fall behind wait for me. We're all three married. We all three have children and we run through that where it's a journey in. Its IT Kim. It's funds sometimes and sometimes it's hard work and the beauty of that song is the simplicity of you know. I may get lost. Will you wait for me? Yeah no that's exactly what people know when they are in a long term relationship. I've been married for now. I gotTa Remember Twenty Three Years and Patrick a little bit more than me. I think nine years now. But you know it's the whole thing that you're not always in sync you're not always in the same place all the time. But it's faith that you have that you're going to you know get there you're GONNA get back you. You have that trust in the other person right and so it just. It's an unbelievable beautiful sentiment. I it it feels like a song that you almost can't believe somebody wrote because it's just so you know perfect in that sense But also where I going to say about this particular version with the whole eastern band trading off then it shows you that That goes beyond just that that that sort of love for a another person in that trust. Another person extends beyond just that marital relationship or that. You know romantic relationship into friendship which is mix it in ways even more beautiful in some right well me. I'm really getting heavy. Jim I appreciate because think about it when you watch any law. Yeah this is the reunion tour. They had been apart for a long time right there. Were that hurt feelings You know if you ever You Know Clarence. Clinton had a great book about Tall Tales and he talked about he was with Ringo Starr. When he got the phone call that he was being fired. And so you know who else could understand that more than anything else right But now then when you see them sing that and Danny in Clarence are gone. Makes the video even or you know special so great pick absolutely I think you may win the night just that that story. So that's awesome and You know I think Patrick Ni- he'll have these feelings all the time breath rarely sink. You knows I'll wait for him. Well and you know when I needed to put something out and my listeners know and You know going through my battle with cancer you know. He did a version of blood brothers and he had had a extra verse talking about. You know it's a good night for a ride across the river through the other side. My brothers and it was never an official release. He just did it live. And that's one of my you know great songs and I use that kind of sometimes when I'm doing updates about what's happening I did think it's an interesting discussion when I read. Bruce's autobiography because one of the questions I always had is. Why doesn't he let other people saying not like Willie Nelson? Here's one for my sister and you know and you'll see I mean billy Joel. Once let you know his Rhody Highway to hell at a show. I went to. But you know Bruce is filled with great musicians that have their own separate careers. You're like why wouldn't he let them sing? And the book makes it very clear he is the boss and this is this is go ahead. Well you know. It's a great point Jesse. I want sing song that Willie Nelson Concert. I'm really Oh. Wow we need that yes. Let me ask you this. Suren and Jesse Do you think you know because this is to me so much about springsteen the mythology of like I'm GonNa start a song and then there's going to be the story in the middle bit highs this on the other makes a song you know so much different and perfect right so like growing up. Nineteen SEVENTY AGORA CLEVELAND. Ohio right came out. It's live like you downloaded from Bruce Springsteen Jesse to you is that perfect pop song when he stops the song and then tells the story and then plays like how does that. How do you feel about that so it depends on the song When he did my second ever Bruce Springsteen show was the devils Indus- solo tour and It was in a very small venue in grand purry Texas I had the worst seat in the house There was a to the right of me was the aisle into the left of me was a pillar a heady seat by myself and And a guy came up to me and said you want a better seat and I thought it was a scalper and then it hit me wait a minute. I'm inside the building. This can't be scalper and It was someone from springsteen's camp and I ended up getting like fifth row center seats so yeah cool. Great Show but Jesus was an only son He talked about that he wanted. He was really interested in thinking about motherhood and Devils and dust has a few songs about parenthood. Longtime coming is another good song about parenthood and he talked about in the middle of this song. He kinda goes on to this little discussion. That you know was in the garden guests. Jesus sitting there going you know maybe I could buy that little bar in Galilee. Mary Magdalene and I could run it and I could do the preaching on the weekend and and He talked about that. It's the humanity of Jesus's sacrifice that means a lot it's the humanity of any sacrifice and then he finishes the Song I love every time he does that Sleep for you know. Sheryl Shell peers. You Dream Draft choices that we made giving value by the things that we give up for parts of life that we we passed by Ed to be thinking she galley is pretty nice. A little bar. I could manage Mary. Magnum ten bar gives preaching on the weekends and ask kids. Get to watch the sun on their face. The field In the garden semi you breathe for the line He beseeched a heavenly father removed. own destination. C. This Jeez. Jeez whispered still. You'll for remember so we'll only the I think it depends on the song. If that's not too much of a law that makes sense. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah absolutely Kinda my curiosity named okay. Perfect Bruce Song because really the story you know from Cleveland in seventy yes shaped a lot of my life because at one point he says I was going to. This Catholic school against sent home for visiting. My desk cheers like uncontrollably. Mini says obviously a popular pastime right. Well cool man I get sent home. Yes being yourself. Yeah man and you know so. I'm signed up for that. Well I remember. I was John Hiatt was playing here in Dallas in he was doing just like your dad. Did in the middle of the out middle of the Song. He started telling the story about his dad in his mom in him and his siblings. Watching Ed Sullivan and the Beatles were GonNa be on there and he tells us long story about even though we were really poor. We had one of the first. Tv's that had a remote control and his dad changed the channel when you know next up the Beatles and in and he's all worried and then his dad gets the channel right back in time for to hear Elvin Sullivan. It's Ullivan say here's the Beatles and he goes crazy you know high me and my sister were dancing and we're laughing and then he goes into the end of just like your dad did and it. It stuck with me because it was it it amplified the song. It made the song for more with that story. So I think that's in once again. A good artist can do that. And you know a mediocre artist. It just doesn't click. I think a great pop song should move you in some way and You know a springsteen show is often sort of like part revival right and you know. He's out there testifying right. And yes you you as you as the audience you should feel somehow moved by that and so I think it all fits together right absolutely up in another life. He would be a southern preacher. A ghetto so my second is It is my son's favourite springsteen song and I'm so glad you guys mentioned the river because there that is a very pop album Sherry Darling Cadillac ranch. Hungry heart all those were possibly on my list but I ended up going with out in the street nother and win. The Forman calls time on Monday when the Foreman Calls Time. I've already got Friday on my mind and I don't think there's anyone in America no matter from CEO to the lowest intern then on Monday. Morning isn't already thinking about Friday and I just love that universal line and Oh yeah absolutely totally. Yeah well. It's a callback too easy. Beats Yeah Friday on my mind starts with Monday. Through the whole week so yeah. It's amazing that that's a great song to end the. I'm glad you made that pick because it has one of those choruses that you you will never forget. You know that it just slowly imprinted on your mind. That's right yes And it has some sort of a a a real Hannah like it. Has this real kind of like St Energy. I mean like you. Yes we call on the street. You feel like you feel like you're in the city right from the just the whole beat of the song and the whole way you know the way it feels right right and you have the Uh-huh which is a wonderful thing along both mind on the radio You know 'cause once again I good pop song you sing along with on the radio I'm I'm a little bit older than you guys and I grew up heavy. Am radio and a lot of my cooler friends listen to FM radio? And I said but I don't know the songs you can't sing along and they said that's part of the joy and I'm like no it's not the what's the purpose of Aradio if he can't sing along with it so that's awesome well good. I'm glad you glide like that one All right we got one more round to go patrick. Well I'M GONNA go with some pretty obvious here Jesse okay. Ten thousand degrees out or run. The classics are but to and he's evoked some mystery like what was Tenth Avenue. What was a freeze out? Look back to when I walk around the corner like a good point. Yeah and it was only mysterious to me get. It swung so hard liken a recognized some of the stuff motown and you know some horns I had heard before. Maybe you know. I don't know where but you know. Gobbled up forty fives. And we're places. Jim I duNNo. Just the weirdness of it will have a very stacks sound completely. I love the way you know when he plays that live. That's usually like where he he. He has a microphone standards. planted in the stage wherever move and then he leans way back back almost touching the stage floor guests and the and the horns has come in plays and then he's just like revived like James Brown and it's just the jumps up. It's amazing yeah. It's always been to me. His Synthesis of Detroit and Haga. Oh and like all blues like everything that was weird exciting him in some happy managed to file it all down until one Nice fingernail. That's turned into me and it tells the story about the band. Big Man Oh shooting spree take. I love when it's live in fact we have a I have a local Bruce springsteen tribute band that plays every once in a while and the guys are really nice and but I always tell them I said it. It just doesn't seem right. Your lead singer doesn't go and this is the important part and you know even now when he he plays this You know they show pictures of Dani and they show pictures of clearance and It is just It is just a celebration of joy in it is You know I was so glad that he played that when he did the Super Bowl. It's just a wonderful song. Bad You you get up and you saying when it's alive and when it's on the radio or on your CD player your I tunes wherever you're listening to it you turn it up You know if I've been doing a series of cage matches where you picked to beloved songs and I think of Rosalita and Tim Avenue freeze out would be a great debate. Because they're so both that same sense of energy and excitement and enjoy Great choice totally agree Wonderful wonderful so thank you and tonight really quickly before anyone else. Here's a close or fleece candies room. Okay so no no anyway go ahead. No no no one. That is a great pop on story. Glad okay so what I was. GonNa ask about Tenth Avenue freeze out is to the springsteen scholars here on the line. Isn't that the one where little steven basically had to like? Redo the horn chart or something like that right. You like keeps the horn players like how to play this right salt. That's right and again goes to how important I think. He is an influence testing. That's right It's really an amazing soft. Okay and as a side note. I don't know if you guys have talked about. His Solo album yet had an episode. So far no not really no. It's it when you guys check it out. I think it'd be worth a discussion of listen to it. It's it's really good. Yeah okay good all right our Jim Alright. So I'm GonNa end this well so we do a little bit of setup in this. I know this is totally cheating here. Well first of all a meeting let me do a little rock in the suburbs. Sound affected you. Please nice okay. That's a loss Rhino Rhino chasers pills loss rhino being a local northern Virginia brewery. Now I can call him yes. I can't and I and I sometimes do that. Yeah okay so when I was making this last pick just let me set this up by saying when I was putting together my spotify lists the song I actually ended up picking from springsteen not one that we're talking about tonight which is funny thing if only because I think Jesse's probably talked about this song to death in the strongest thunder road and Thunder Road to me is the perfect springsteen song. It's not it depends on how you define pop music. I defined hobbies against the broadest sense in terms of being popular music. But it's not a traditional pop song structure over scores person that it's it's more linear it. Just sort of continues to build upon itself. In to me that's sort of like the brilliance of it that it just keeps going and going to the point. Where like you pretty much have to stop everything you're doing when thunder road and just listened the song again and every time I hear it I feel like I'm hearing it for the first time that great of a song but we're going to talk about that tonight. I if we can just a few minutes yes? We've talked thunder road to death but I think it is. It's because it is. You know you could make the argument and I'm sure born to run and other songs may have something to say about that. You know as we talk about the greatest quarterback of all times and Joe Montana may have something to say about that. You know to in that discussion but thunder road could be bruce's greatest song and it's not there. It's in the discussion that's totally. No I was GONNA say I guess that would be the argument? I would make that. I think if I had to pick one that's probably it. It just is absolute perfection. It just like I said it just never heard Brazil leader. I love those. I love for different reasons. You know Rosalita is a now. That's a Song I love because by the end of it you're like worn out. It is it is a springsteen gas that McMahon ask like like you just like I cared so much about you should Khan down Niche imbed. So there are so inept that ultimately that comes down of the core of this assignment which how difficult it is to pick. Yes these great pop songs. Because his work is so buried and because he's so talented in terms of writing these different kinds of songs different structures that it takes you off in different directions but So that's that's what I have to say about thunder road but the song. One in with your. I'M GONNA go back to a couple couple of reasons. Why this one. Why is I? Think the testament of a great pop song is that it can be covered by other people and hold up is a really good song. Right can be interpreted by others. Yeah it's kind of a partner. And so I I was GonNa pick because the night because of course the Patti Smith Song all the criteria and ten thousand maniacs also did that Song Riley Great and then you hear the springsteen version of that on the promise in. I've seen him. Do it live as well. It's amazing also. It just has this amazing sort of again kind of a build to it kind of like this incredible intensity. That's with pick that so you can. You can sense your arms or cheating mentioning songs I was also but anyway. Here's why landed because I'm going to go back to our PODCAST WIN. Patrick and I interviewed and Patrick. It's four for this. He set this up. It was one of the best things we've done. We interviewed this guy. Dave Balon from Jimmy. No I'm sorry. No bit of Joy. I take that in there to upgrade to what Debacle from this band Mirage. Who is a springsteen sort of influence band? And a lot of ways and mazing did and he's met springsteen and what was the deal like springsteen came up to him and said how much she loved. Murrah was a great interview. We talked about that on the interview but he really sort of like. I said this is such a beautiful way about what makes a great pop song. Which is that. You're looking for the simplest thing that no one has yet discovered at. And so when I thought about that a little bit more in sort of put more into like the springsteen Lens I thought about the song fire yet okay and when I hear you never know that from the pointer. Sisters version I'm in Yolk Journal. Just say say but off. Do you say you say but when I hear the springsteen version which is on the promise one of the first thoughts I have is when he gets up that part about you got a hold on me rock from the START I think like sounds like Elvis Presley Act. Yes and then I go and research it and go like he actually wrote that opening the Elvis Presley would record it and Elvis. Right so like. That's an amazing thing right there that he that he's sort of like you know. Has that been referencing? Sort of channeling. That but here's the beauty of that Song. It's like you know lyrically it. It's just amazing. The the RHYMES and the way he put so much truth to that song. But but just think about this. Doo Doo Doo. Doo Doo Doo. Doo Doo Doo like. That's that's the song. It is patience renaissance. That's the song issues an incredible song. You gotTA BE PRETTY SELF CONFIDENCE. Right that sow sparingly and say like this works right do oh when we saw will be a new Seoul. He right and then he gave. That's on the way and I think that is specifically the one little Steven said really And you think about when this After he was huge and the live set came out. There was that A video of him with someone with an accordion him doing fire. And then of course Robin Williams doing elver Fudd doing Bruce springsteen covering fire and you know It is a absolutely amazing song With a lot of depth in you can sing along. You know that. Break where you know. He pause and Romeo and Juliet and your dislike it is. I've never seen him do it. Live I would love that but I think that is a great choice And by the way you know like Linda Ronstadt did a version of I should fall behind on one of her albums. I mean if you look for covers avail. I shall the fall behind. It's been covered a fair amount of time. To which goes back to your premise. Right that if it's a great pop song other people will flock to it and we'll do versions of it. It becomes sort of a standard. Yes someway right right. And and there's so many of those with with springs. I can think of Covers of other songs that I really like a lot Like one step up getting another one. That's been done quite a few times or you know it's just I just heard this this cover version of a few weeks ago. Is a band called the downtown boys? We talk about them. A LITTLE. Bit On our podcast. Okay they're out of Rhode Island their punk band out of Rhode Island and they cover dancing in the dark okay Japan a that. I absolutely loved like well but a lot of people hate it and so to me. That's almost like sort of like the signature of like a great performance. Like do you get that kind of emotion on both sides you get back I think it's great and one of the things Again it sort of speaks to the song is that it can be interpreted in these different ways and it can elicit that that sort of emotion From the listener right well. Very nice Patrick before I give mine are there Are there any honorable? Mentions you WANNA go into no good? Okay you sure Jesse all right so you know. I did a lot of thoughts Without you which came on the blood brothers documentary. She's kind of that Monday in going. Through the days of the week I thought was a little too close to ain't good enough for you. But it certainly did. We've already talked about Sherry Darling. Cadillac ranch but I decided to go is my last is no surrender from born in the USA Time to repair the a busted out of class. You know learn more than three hundred bracket record than we've ever learned in school year. That rebellion There is You know one of the things that I found gearing. My Journey of health is no retreat. No surrender is what a lot of springsteen fans us as their mantra. As they're fighting cancer Alzheimer. You know depression unemployment. Whatever you do this whole no retreat. No surrender and so. I think it's a wonderful pop anthem. You can sing along with it I think if you ever want if you're ever sad Do a google search of no surrender. Houston two thousand fourteen and there is two brothers. They get on stage and sing the whole song. Dan and You know they are. I kicked I busted my brother out of school and Bruce brought him up and there is just an example of just joy. These two guys were having a blast so that was my last choice in. I just three Vancouver. Pass just Your Dad the joy of that and the defiance of you know we no retreat. No surrender is just. I think a great anthem in in a wonderful pop song. It's hard to argue with that. That's that's incredible and let me just tell you quick store that the first the second time I saw spring seeing I had a huge gap I. I saw him on the tunnel of love tour in the late eighties and I didn't see him again until The working on a dream okay. So there's a huge gap there and When I went to see him that second time there were like three songs on my wishlist. That was like he plays these three songs. I'm going to be so happy with. No surrender was hungry heart and the other one was Rosalita out my and he played all three of those songs that Nice. Oh that was. My dreams came true. You know the thing I love about. No surrender to when you see it live is just. How much neal's gets into that song? Man Man is jammed. That thing is so great. It is and There is an springtime for springsteen is a couple of guys actually from the Maryland. Area that Decided to do a springsteen they wanted to do a podcast and they just picked because they didn't know anything about Bruce and they just said okay. We'll do the springtime for springsteen because one of their best friends and you know they had a theory which I think is hilarious. They said I think the East banshee just do nothing but covers. I think they're the greatest cover band in the world. They should just tour doing nothing but covers and I'm like I don't totally agree with that theory but I do understand the Senate behind it. They are such a great band. Yes an when Bruce Pools that whether it's you know I can't action whatever he can play it Guys this was a blast. I appreciate it. I'm so happy so Tell us how to reach you. And let's also for all our listeners. Both your shows in mind we WANNA talk importance of our subscribe rate and review So sad talk a little bit about that until my listeners. How they can find you guys. Okay so you can find rock in the suburbs. Not once in a while every day every day. Listen every day every day on. We're on a little too big podcast platforms. Got Your Apple. Podcasts or what you speak called tunes and then audio boom and then all the other main ones in tune in Brian soundcloud and all that stuff get thrown a rock and a podcast environment. Yes you can find so and then subscribe like you said that would be really nice and if you can rate and review us that would be great too. That really helps us out as we like to say it It gives us evidence to our wives to let us keep doing the show for that reason we do. It is so important so I have you guys. Were kind enough before we hit record to talk about how often I- podcast and I towed Linda you know Mrs set lusting Bruce I and and I said Yeah Jimmy Patrick like yeah are are we ratings and reviews show are wise that we're just not talking to ourselves and and she kinda rolled her eyes and says Yeah I wonder sometimes that about you disease. Anyone else listening to you and I'm like Oh you know at least a few so I'll introduce her to my way. Yeah exactly Yes yes And they can talk about why Brucie's and not necessarily their favorite artists choose. Patrick swayze I yes. Living THIS PRIVATE HELL. Oh very good. Well our available at set lessening Bruce on twitter we have a facebook page that lesson Bruce and my personal twitter at Jesse Jackson DFW. We'd love to hear your suggestions on what is a Bruce Springsteen Your favorite Bruce Rings Pot songs I HAVE. I don't have a fun jingle but you can call me at two one four seven three six three one to one if you. WanNa leave a voicemail guys. What's the suburban Party line number? And so that my listeners can say hey. I found because set listening Bruce. Oh that would be great. We'd love to get those calls any calls and so we have A. We have a phone number. You can call leave a message. It's called suburban Party line. It is six one two four four zero eighty there you go and Jesse. Let me ask you one quick thing. Burgo here Did you interview our friend Marrying Hornak? Last night I did interview Mary and it was such a joy she For those of you you will have heard the episode by this. One is released but Mary was a former colleague at USA Today. With the guys and She would have a regular episode. Tuesday's with Mary kind of a play on Tuesdays with Maury and she is absolutely just a sweet loving person integrate interviews so I'd been plugging bugging her and she joined me last night. We talked about an hour. We talked about her daughter. Alice and music she towed actually a couple of funds springsteen stories One of them I thought was very funny. She was in the car and Mary's place came on and she's like. Hey that's a springsteen song about me and so And she talked a lot about the different music that Alice's listening to her and her husband going to right now all their date nights concert so it was an absolutely wonderful discussion. I appreciate you guys helping to make this happen. That's Great Yeah. That's the best of delight thanks So please check out a rock in the Serbs. Jim Patrick have a great night and I will be listening to you daily. Thanks team bus routes. Thanks guys talk to you soon. Bye Bye our human. I am great. I came in sorry for yourself. I hope you're doing well. Yeah I am doing okay. It is Yeah it is. You know it's kind of and there's other people that have so much worse than I do so I kind of keep that in perspective and never deleted okay. Yeah Yeah and and you're doing great and on June inspiration you're you're so positive and like still cranking out all kinds of achievements. Thank you know I I always think about this And this is what you do. Is You do something every day. You know Ukraine somehow in that a lot in your inspiration in that sense you crank out so many of these episodes that are so good and you still find time listener. R-south which I'm doing. Well God bless you for that. The beauty of yours is twenty to thirty minutes which is a perfect commute time. And Yeah and you know versus. I tend to you know we tend to talk a lot but it's a different kind of format and And I just loved what you guys have been doing and I am so jealous that I'm here in so anyway. I'm just jealous. I want to hang at the on the back. Porch are in the commend. Okay I will make that. Yeah so are you ready to get started when the cowboys play the Redskins? Yes there you go. That would be fun. Yes so an just one other thing too. 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Week 12 Waivers + Full Stream Ahead, Die Hard Decisions - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/24

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Week 12 Waivers + Full Stream Ahead, Die Hard Decisions - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/24

"It is our robinson into fantasy. Football car care well to the fantasy footballers podcast with your hose. Andy holloway jason moore and mike reid. Welcome in tuesday november. Twenty four th. Mike reid jason. More andy holloway. The fantasy footballers back with you for a waiver. Show excited to have you join us. Thank you so much for supporting the show. Subscribing reviewing all of our faithful over at joined the foot dot com. Thank you for your support It is Your support and join the foot dot com that allows us to then pay brooks and he can then use that money to do things like pick up coffee for us more I guess any anything we need so we appreciate it yeah. The foot washing is superb. He washes your feet. The he's he. Yeah you don't have the you've never gotten a brooks foot massage all man. You're missing out. I have not reflexologist. Yes right he. We put him through school. Yeah thank you again for that support But yeah we put him through reflexologist school now. He is certified well. This is breaking news working on acupuncture. That's also we're just keeping it going. He's in a constant stream of learning things. Yeah by the end. He will be a fully well rounded holistic healer. Which we are in need. Not a lotta can do that. And so you know you'll be able to break out on your own eventually Wants this down learning a lot here. Learning a lot twitter at the f. f. ballers if you wanna check us out on social media the fantasy football dot com the website. Tomorrow is the magazine. Joe who who who who. Mike was more musical. I liked it. Jason was equal as frightening is ever tomorrow. Show it's kind of a badge of honor you make it through the mega don We normally talk something away at the end of that show. Maybe maybe we hide it in the middle this time who knows or like the very beginning. you're going to have to listen to whole thing. Maybe we change it. Maybe we tell you some in the middle and then maybe. I don't know let's react to this monday night football game. The rams very twenty-seven tampa bay twenty four. I have some fantasy related thoughts. But i will share a wonderful narrative that we were following along everything about last night. Now jason excluded from. Maybe this overarching point for last night. Was what makes fantasy football great. You have this matchup. And we were all watching with bated breath because jason went into this game facing albore linda and he was trailing by just five points. I mean all. I needed was five points. I had tom brady. He had leonard fournette. That should be like a hundred percent. I mean and honestly to be fair in the first quarter. I took the lead so it should have been over but tom brady had other plans. Lynn format had other plans including dropping a few passes that if i think he caught those. You would have been in trouble but jason. You made it out on top tom. Brady's final touchdown to to mr godwin ended up being the difference maker but it was exciting. It was fun and it was a weird game because there was no rushing attack from tampa bay. Tom brady was at times as bad as you've ever seen him yet. Still tied the gema with a couple of minutes to play a few minutes to play and had a chance to win it. But i think we walked away saying well. I think you made this point last night. Jason when tom brady is facing a pass rush when you can hit him a few times which has been true for a lot of his Recent years but even more this year if you hit him he gets skittish gets in trouble. He makes some throws. He's he's keeping it short and cost the line of scrimmage. He can't connect on a deep ball. Right now oh he see his deep ball is terrible and and it's certainly one of those things where in future matchups for fantasy. If you're looking at window get the good. Tom brady window. I get the bad time because there will be more. Good tom brady. It's not gonna all be what we saw against the saints. What we saw against the rams last night. Just look at that pass rush. Are they able to generate a heavy pass rush with four people. That's tom's kryptonite has been for years but right now it's destroying him and you wanna you wanna pivot away in the end. He ended up with twenty points and a six point passing game so no fourteen but now quarantine and a four point. Sorry fourteen and a four point So you were close. I was accurate. I specified six point. Yeah okay yeah. How many points did he have an six point. Well i mean the ad like twenty two hours. He was the number one quarterback last week so they. That's what you're talking about. The the variance from. Tom brady the week before that he was thirtieth week before that he was ninth and then third so like you stated it was Week fourteen playoff week. One minnesota okay. Well they're gonna blitz. mike zimmer is going to blitz but not a great secondary atlanta the week after. they've struggled. Yeah they won't get a pass rush on. No that's a great man in championship. Great matchup so I guess week fourteen would be the only one you kind of looking sideways at. But even then now you're you're probably just playing him so in kansas city next week. It's just. It was tough to watch at times. It's also tough to kind of see through the mist at the pass catchers because there's a lot of them in tampa bay antonio brown has been frequently targetted and while godwin got into the end zone. Is he mentally. Downgraded in your minds in terms of What he represents of season are you guys comfortable with all three. And what is your thoughts. I feel like what happened with. Godwin is godwin. Became you know. Seventy five percent of what he was and then duplicated himself With antonio brown they really play a very similar roles as far as you know the read and the offense The quick getting the ball out quick The difference is antonio brown. Does take a few shots down. The field godwin doesn't really ever go down the field. But that's irrelevant. Because tom brady can't hit anybody down the field right now. Yeah waiting for them to connect on one. The target share has swung too antonio brown as well in the last three games. So you since. Tony brown has been there. He seeing twenty one percent of the targets. Compared to chris godwin seeing eighteen percents already does seem comfortable throwing to him in the short areas. Just as much as godwin on the other side. It was a Extravaganza for cooper kupp robert woods. They combined for twenty three receptions in saint a very similar games woods got into the end zone fifteen targets for was thirteen for cup. Seem like all of cups were in the first half. Almost he just had a monster. I have neither team ran the football. I mean forty. Two total rushing yards for tampa. Thirty seven for the run happy. Rams here's jared goff's three seventy six three castor. Everybody fade into your thanks. Jared so you know cottonwoods you can play every week kind of a you saw some more van jefferson in this game. We saw josh reynolds not a lot of targets. Titans targets. yeah. Yeah this is what i would say about. The running game is this was clearly Especially when you when you watch the beginning of the game. This was by design. Tampa bay is phenomenal against the run. They are you know at the at the tippy top of the league and the ram said. Well we're not gonna. We're not gonna struggle in that we're going to beat them with the passing game and so if if they you know have a game against Another super rush defense. Maybe you'll see more passing any other takeaways. Mike understood it was. It was a great game and it was fantastic to see both cup and woods. Finally when i mean how many match ups came out of the depths of despair last night. If you started robert woods or cooper kupp. I think our own album needed Like thirty five points from robber woods in an important money leaks. And what did you get out of that. I needed thirty four and ended up getting thirty point six own. Man wanna lose her. that's too bad. i'm sorry for all right. news notes. News and notes from around the league. Also mike evans is. He's a man why he saw antonio brown play and he's like i can do that as a man that yes thank you. Oh you craft ahead touchdown. I think he was just so just up. Vs play where jalen ramsey manhandled him. He's like you're not jalen ramsey. Get off me. That was incredible wide receivers. There are some that are just unfair out there. Face these little five ten. Db's gimme a break. All right adam feelings been placed on the reserve covid list. He could still be cleared in time for the sunday game against the panthers if he is positive we don't know if he's a close contacts so prepare to be without him but hopefully you will have him mark ingram and jk dobbins have both been put on the covid list this is. They are positive This was released the deal too because the game is thursday. Yeah they're out and they're out. So you're looking at gus edwards and justice hill against the steelers defense on thanksgiving. What kind of You have the quick reaction right. You hear these guys are out and we've said well look if with one guy he's got the backfield what should be gus You're gonna play him I guess. I'm curious where you will slot him in this week or where. You're thinking i. I think he's going to be more of a flex option. I don't. I don't put gus edwards in as an rb two originally. I was very excited. I just i deleted justice hill from my memory but it will be a two man show there. This is a very difficult ron defense. So he will get enough volume to be someone that you could start if you know if you were relying on a player that's not there and you need another starter. I think gus edwards was fine but his upside is probably kept because if he doesn't get in the end zone and this is a very difficult. You know matchup. Then he's just going to be a you know you're open for ten twelve fantasy. I think i think the part about it. And i'll ask you a couple of cops is. This is a waiver. Show so obviously gus. Edwards is on that list. But this is the time of year where your budget matters to. So if you had a player like kaelin balaj for example that you invested in and you can start this week. against buffalo. Are you then avoiding spinning up on edwards in that situation. Yeah if. I don't need to start gus edwards this week. If i've got another player on my team that's better. I'm i'm probably putting in a very cheap bid. if you're in a fab system see a couple of dollars just to have you know running back depth always always try to grab the running backs that are going to get the ball but Because this could be a multi. We'll be absence. And that's what i wanted to highlight is. This could be multi week because the the news that was released was that they're both positive we don't know. Are they. ace into matic. I mean we hope these guys are okay for moving forward for football. We don't know when they will be back. Gus edwards will be the guy and just a reminder. They have played pittsburgh already and in that matchup. Jk dobbins was fifteen for one hundred thirteen yards. and gus edwards was sixteen. Eighty seven and a touchdown. So it's not like. It's impossible that gus edwards goes out there and has a great game. He's going to have volume heat. He should see you should easily see more than fifteen carries. He will see goal line work if they get there so he is. I'm much more bullish than jason that i get it. You don't need gus edwards for the long haul. Maybe you don't wanna blow your number one priority on him but he is a priority at this week especially in this waiver wire. Yeah we'll talk. It's not the best talk more about normal. Earning back options normal expectation for you know. Just look at the timeline for positive cova tests. It's not a guarantee but they should miss two weeks and so then you know the following week. I believe is the cowboys. The that's great matchups for the ravens after this week through the fantasy playoffs. It's it's game on for everybody. Alright tasty except for hollywood brown us game. They had a game off for hollywood nice. Yeah tastes them. Hill as expected no longer tied in eligible on espn platform. He is a quarterback so still relevant for fantasy football very Just not a tight end matt. Rhule's said he's considering christian. Mccaffrey week to week. it's not it's almost. Certainly he's not plan. Yeah they have a bi week next week so he also hates your fancy team. 'cause christian mccaffrey has gone from out to doubtful. Which means he's sitting on your. I are any as you. You can't make a waiver move. All right Julio jones game time decision likely this week against the raiders. He is going to haunt The the playoff aspirations of certain teams. Right now yeah. Is there if he's in if he's active. You're playing yeah Okay but with that face Okay matt nagy said The team is still evaluating the status of both foles in trubisky. So right now. It's like three potential options at quarterback against the packers for week twelve. It could be folds trubisky or off the street to be honest. I mean they could bring somebody else in. I mean the truth is it's a relevant. You're not playing any one of those three. Yeah but it's not a relevant to allen robinson. Managers is not a relevant to even david montgomery managers if you returns a it just makes it a little scary in the because the packers are pretty good against wide receivers to begin with so Is there one that you prefer for mr robinson. Because maybe it doesn't matter niners. I still would prefer foles. But i'm gonna play alan robinson no matter what. And i'm gonna be a play on robinson or antonio brown okay so no matter what i'm gonna play him. I is a A playable asset and fantasy for sure. All right this episode of the fantasy football is brought to you by head and shoulders available at walmart You guys know about are taking to one hundred segment where we pick are taking it up to one hundred players each and every week last week in case. You're curious mr moore back or more got a big win. Brandin cooks one hundred in a big way. Mike had the miami defense. I don't remember exactly where they not. There was To really let the team down. Yeah yeah and then. I had mike davis. 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All right hollywood brown goodbye and if you want to make it more cathartic you can you know you can do a countdown. You can fire off some fireworks into the air when you let go whatever you need to do in the punt off the bridge moment. Let him go rough. Release him. However you please tee higgins tyler boyd. What do you do with them. I don't you know tyler boyd. I'm not dropping either of these guys yet i get. The downgrade to the quarterback is massive going from burrow down to ryan finley for the cincinnati. Bengals that offensive line is real bad. joe burrow was able to overcome some things. Because he's a very good quarterback. But both higgins and tyler boyd are also talented wide receivers. So i'm not dropping them just yet. I would definitely drop these next two guys ahead of them. Which would be travis forego and justice landry Disappointing from a performance from fogo a couple of weeks in a row. I don't know how much is his fault or he was just. He was just taking advantage of a target share opportunity during the time. When god it wasn't there wasn't there and reagan. Wasn't there yeah. It's really confusing. Because now you've got some of the other pass catching options healthy and all of a sudden. You feel like it coincides when reagan gets back on the field all of a sudden fogleman's not relevant but then if you actually look at had five and seven targets. He saw twenty percent of the target. Love is cleveland. so he's still getting targeted rainy game. Yeah so i you know. It's one of those. Where if there is a better option and you feel more confident playing them. Sure drop them but you know if you want to wait and see because he did indies talked about it a lot. He passed the eyeball test. Full looked like a good wide receiver and he is still getting the targets. They're just unfortunately still from cars. Plays seattle travis. Welcome in the eagles are playing seattle. So that's what. I'm not gonna drop fulcrum. Okay that's that's a plus matchup. I'm not dropping full. It's a trap. One of the two for. I don't know seattle has had the entire season to be a trap and whatnot but Deandre hopkins just put up one of his worst games of the year against the seattle seahawks de that is fair. His quarterback also hurt his shoulder on the third play of the game. But carson winston fulcrums quarterback. He hurt his third. Play of the convince me that there's worse quarterback situation elsewhere one hundred percent. Healthy carson wentz. Yeah is not as good as a loved. The beard injury we learn of the beard forgot all right. It is interesting though because the wide receiver waiver options. I'm not that excited across the board. There's nobody that. I'm going out minus. Maybe one name that. I'm going out to fight for on the waiver. Wire okay and that would be michael pittman because pittman as he had another nice week only three targets. But they've figured out what to do with him and that is to let him be an athlete they put him in Crossers they give them the opportunity to turn on the jets. I imagine red zone. Opportunities will come his way in the screen game. Not a lot of downfield stuff. But he is produced. And he's out there for eighty percent of snaps. He has the invisible upside of a rookie. That was drafted with high draft capital. So michael is at the top of my personal list. I think he would be the the number one on my list as well. He's got tennessee. And houston as the next two match. The fantasy playoffs vegas and then houston again You know so i. I think he's someone that after back to back games he's heating up and if you wanna get in that fire now's the time he is probably my number one but i have a hard time deciding between these two guys. Michael peyman It's you know. I love me. Some michael pittman but nelson galore. Las vegas raiders. He has had a quite a handful here of good games. Five deep touchdowns that is tied with tyreek hill for the most in the nfl. I saw a very funny tweet from good friend of the show. Jj zac riessen. Who said maybe maybe problem was carson wentz. Yeah which i chuckled at. Because you're here for all parts and winds trash-talk. I look it because let's get to the psychology of i've never fully supported carson wentz. And you're feeling pretty i want i don't want to fail. This is just like a maija situation. Just percent i. I i see the good but i also see the bet anyways so nelson angler atlanta. This week they're nice. Absolutely the new york jets the following week. They're not absolutely so. That's why it's tough for me to decide between pittman and agar. I agree. That was the. That was the second name i was going to bring up so i completely agree with it. It's it's hard. Because he has been somewhat touchdown reliant but at the same time. He's given us out almost every time he goes out there lately. you know. He's got a touchdown in six games. Right now why with him. You needed to see a lay of the land with where derek carr wanted to throw the football. You didn't know after one breakout game. If it was anomalous rugs would start to get all the deep targets. Look aguilar's becoming more trusted over the course of the year not not less trusted. So isn't he's not a guarantee by any means because he says nelson agholor. I'm just saying of the of his last five games to were top ten performances and two were catastrophic including goose egg and a game of one. I think we're on the same page here. And and he's a little bit more available than pitman. I would probably put similar lower fab on both and just see who i ended up with and and be content with that. There's there's two plays after them. That are my next to you. Guys can agree or disagree. It'll be tim patrick. Yeah man and jalen rager. I mean we didn't patrick's the ballers just good. I mean he he is. I look i have had jerry jeudy on my roster in the league of record the just the whole season i drafted him. I've got him and been disappointed almost every week and i wish i had tim patrick because he actually goes out. There and catches passes gets yards. And you know this last week. You're stuck yeah five for one hundred nineteen and he's getting it done You know so i. I do think he's a name that he's widely available. You're not going to have to spend anything for him and if you need someone that just he's not just a matchup. Plays kinda like you. You plug them in every week. If you need just to fill you know some some low end point. He's kind of a player that your opponents sees on on your roster and they kind of chuckle and what. Jim patrick i get to play tim patrick back. Then he drops a honda. Yeah fourth most receptions of twenty plus yards and this is with missing time right. He was injured so. I don't mind that you're not gonna have to spend almost anything on. I'd be surprised if you had to spend much on it at all and then pursued perryman. If joe the quarterback you always have two or three shots at game downfield perryman has been good at coming up with those plays on every snap so interesting enough As a deep option. And then you bring up. Deebo seamless tough because depot is. He's got two things that three things really that. Make me uncomfortable. The first one is he's got to play the rams this week. Sure the second one is. He's coming off injury which reinjuring has happened to him multiple times and the third one. Is you know you have a backup quarterback. Now mullins is fine. But he does crumble. And if i was going to crumble like my own personal opinion i would do it when aaron donald donald was in my face. So and if you're not gonna pick up and play playing this week you're at the end of the season. I just not sure what the value is. I like the other guys more because you can pick them up and you can get immediate impact. I'm still in on stashing deebo Do what is brandon uk's status. Because he was he was added to the covid. Li i think at this point we could say that. Are you tested positive. 'cause he has been with was this is second time on the list he was close contact connection and then he got up at work on board one and then he got put back on. George kittle is not there we if you is out then diva who is still questionable. We don't we aren't posited that he's going to be back you just. You're projecting to be back. He's going to see a lot of all you. Yeah i i agree. He is and that'd be good against buffalo but again if i he's going to see a lot of jalen ramsey it's different though because this is they don't is not always asked to go run a nine route. You know run a post. It's they manufactured the touch and then try for a yard. After catch i would i would rather go after. Jalen rager against seattle then deebo and then not to be forgotten allen. Lazard is on his way. Back his out there Four targets in this past week but does indianapolis and he was on a pitch count. And you know you get towards the fantasy playoffs. Detroit carolina tennessee. That's the playoffs. The playoffs schedule is great. But he's not. Someone could play this week so you need to just look at your situation and say am i. Am i picking up playoff stash. Or do i need a wide receiver if you need a wide receiver. Now's not the time not against chicago. He's still working his way back. But i do agree in the playoffs star asset. all right. let's look at the running back position. Gus edwards is the main waiver cup of the week You guys really colored that in earlier in the show but You know if if for some reason these guys are out more than a couple of weeks. He's a pretty good schedule. Gus is also pretty good runner. And he's taken advantage of his opportunities yet. Doric player so You brought up. What what the Running back state against pittsburgh earlier in the year. Would you let duke johnson. just go. I mean david. Johnson is out another week man. Yeah is it that that one is tough. Because he's the main guy he gets most of the work he's producing absolutely nothing is he. Is he a landmine that you. He's you said a booby trap on the waiver wire because if i just i'm trying to react if i if i saw duke johnson the waiver wire tomorrow you know waivers clear. Drop like titles duke johnson's there. I'm going oh man. I hope no one has seen that do johnson is there. Because i'm going to pick him up. And i might be the wrong. Play jay where you will do johnson. I'm not dropping duke johnson. Now if i had to have a start this week. And i'm saying who would you rather start do johnson or gus edwards said. Maybe maybe then if that's my last roster spot but usually i'm dropping you know a backup wide receiver versus someone that is a starting running back and also you got to keep in. Mind this matchup for duke johnson. This last week was against the patriots. And this matchup against the detroit lions. So i think do johnson is in play Drop darrell henderson cam. Akers malcolm brown mass going on you. Want any of those guys is still darrell henderson. It's it yeah. I think it is but that's i'm not. I'm not going on them. Not spending priority to get those guys. Damian harris was eleven for forty three and a touchdown last week. Only thirty eight percent of snaps. I mean if he's if he's out there. I'd like to pick them up. You have question marks with damian harris of is sony. michelle going to be activated. Are they gonna flip flop back to zoning michelle. I would rather pick up. If we're talking. Now i'd rather pick up daming harris but james wight needs to be picked up. James white is a priority. Add this week. And he's available more than half of leagues rex. Burkhead had taken james white's job basically as the passing downs guy but rexburg. It's probably up with an acl. So james white will take his his job back. And i think he had like twenty percent of the targets from the number and in addition for james white being a good play with rex burkhead alley three percent of the targets. Last week this matchup this week against arizona cardinals who are among the league leaders in points scored so if they're putting points on the board then that's the you know you wonder if he's game script proof i don't i don't know james white is but if if this is a higher scoring game then that is where you can play james why. The cardinals have a strict policy where they don't cover the flats. They don't see them. It's been a long standing arizona cardinals. Cliff thinks there's a gentlemen's agreement. Right that i don't cover it. You don't play only in between the numbers. Yes and then the teams don't and then they they. They have a lot of success cheating. Good point all right so but there. There's a player i want. Okay jason A player i want to get to. Let's see if it's the same one over the last four weeks. This player has been the running back. Fourteen the runningback. Sixteen the running back six running back ten. He is the rb. Three in total points is the rb five and fantasy points per game during that span. Wait what and he's on. The wire is on the on the wire. And oh oh. It's bruce wayne bruce wayne in baby. Yeah because wayne goldman has been on fire. Yes and he's playing cincinnati. He's coming off the bye. He's he's playing against the bengals. That's a plus matchup. He's playing against a team. That has no quarterback and the giants. The giants are favored. The line the last. I had heard it was. The giants are favored by four and over. Unders like forty two points so they are expecting nothing from the cincinnati bengals. And that's gonna turn into wayne gaughman carrying the ball a lot. Now do we have any update on. Devante freeman is free so you will still miss this week. Wayne glide rather play. Wayne goldman this week. I think i would play. I think i'd rather play in than gus had every single name. We've brought up. I if i had them all on my roster i would i would play wayne. Gaughman he is. I think the best play because he's been getting it done and the matchup is good favored. I mean you. You can't ask for much more than that. The thing that's been so annoying about that situation is that wayne. Gaughman is every bit as good if not better than devante freeman is. He's better but because of the saquon barkley injury. They felt the need to go out and invest money in a name. And you watch gohmert and he plays with a you. Know a fire on every restress. He's got a heart. Bruce wayne so edwards are gaughman. Where do you decide on that one. Oh my goodness that is talk. Almond got dropped by a lot of people due to the bye week so he. He's out there. In a lot of leaks he's only roster and thirty percent of espn fifty four percent of yahoo. We've run up My magical drop powers on the on the main podcast. We talked about it on the foot cast. I had incredible success of bestowing magic powers on players. Right after i dropped. You dropped pittman. Thank you. I was able to scare him and he was great. But on the list of guys who i have recently dropped gus edwards wayne gomes. Oh so that's the both are going to be great. I've i've got. I've got to dig into this for a moment is somehow in the matter of like one minute you both use the word brockton the you both did you brought it up and i almost said something in and then you said broughton. So i'm like am i take drugs here. I'm like this is not a word right so i look it up on me. Broaden eye looked it up and the definition of the word brought is this sub-standard past tense of bring. Yes it's a sub-standard word. Which is a perfect. I mean that's fine. That's a word that's a word words word. I heard it twice in one by one point. Yeah but i want you brought in the fire guys brought in the fire. Oh my gosh. Yeah i just expecting it to come up with a big acts of no word and it. Just no no. We're cool with it. It's your sub-standard things dump people say standard uneducated version of. Oh my gosh well. I i guess they stand. I didn't even hear myself. Say i was so i heard myself say and i and i just assumed i would be jumped all over. I wasn't so i continued and then right after that. You said unbelievable. I must be ordered to get this one in. I have one more running back. Yes that i think is a good play this week. He's a little bit older. All my guess franklin franklin yes eleanor gore outscores about. I mean look he. The microbrewery ryan has the high ankle. Sprain frank gore will get at least fifteen carries a hits. The miami dolphins coach loves him like he does. Adam caseloads frank gore then. He loves his own children. Oh at this point. Yeah i mean you can't find find someone who loves you the way adam gates loves free. Didn't get a high ankle. Sprain frank gore. That's right the the running back at eleven last week. Yeah fifteen for sixty one and a touchdown and now he's going to be the only guy out there and he won't cost you anything. I'm so glad. I hang hung onto him in our dynasty league. What a genius move bro. You still got like ten years left on a dynasty other names that i'll i'll just bring up briefly if you're bottle bottom of the barrel type of pickups and maybe not this one this could be middle of the barrels salvin akhmed could get another nice opportunity now. Myles gaskin is eligible to return. But this could be a later in the week. Pay attention to it. Could snag him off of the waivers. Someone could let him go. He plays the jets He was the majority running back. And then i've got. I've got another name kind of throughout their okay with that level of confidence. Yeah but it's about the same level of confidence. Latavius murray chimera. Maybe he's dealing with a foot. Maybe it's not maybe it's tastes them hill in the scheme. But he was used snaps. Jason exactly fifty percent of snaps. He had twelve carries a couple of targets and he looked all right. So you know matchup against denver. Who's been kind of hot and cold running back. So there are a lot of mid to low there are a lot of sub-standard options Out here running back. I brought them all up. I have brought them all up. I agree with the murray ad. It's i would project that the lack of opportunities not the targets. I mean that that could be a taste of helping but he was missing practice last week. Alvin kamara was with his foot injury but it is also this is not outside of the remote possibility for sean payton to completely transform. The offense while drew brees is out. And say we're gonna we're gonna use latavius murray more than camaro for these next couple games. That's fun all right title. Pickups dallas godart. If he's not roster should be. He finally had a nice game. Five for seventy seven and a touchdown at one hundred percent of the snaps. He is a must add. If he's out there Eric ebron has been coming on a late. Seven targets had another touchdown ninety three percent of snaps third-most routes ron amongst the tight end position rostered in most leagues but should be paid attention to And then you have. You got the main waiver wire pickups of the week including jordan yay really. Who in the if you didn't if you didn't catch the end of yesterday's show it truly is go. Watch it on youtube because watching jason. React to mike. The information that he had snagged jordan. It was a special moment. Shot clock don don and you were so genuinely surprised i. It made me laugh. I was shocked. I was very excited for this moment on this show to bring up jordan reads name. He's coming off the bye before he went to bhai. He was heavily utilized. Mike you brought up the you know in talking about deebo samuel. They're they're missing some receiving weapons and jordan. Reed out there. He's he's going to be. You know if i had him. I would have started him this week. Unfortunately mike has and obviously at tight end. You're talking about risky business with everybody Jordan could go out there and get injured. The i play. You know it's it's not like the best match up in the world but it's rare that on the waiver. Why are you can find a tight titan. Who's going to be out there. A ton of snaps of routes and probably get a bunch of targets. That's all you can hope for in in jordan recheck box here in the numbers for jordan reid he read was re was initially back from his injury in week. Nine barely saw the field so still recovering in week. Ten against the new orleans saints. He played forty four percent of the snaps again. Still still recovering. In that time. He saw fifteen percent of the targets for the whole game for san francisco and he in forty four percent of the snaps ended with a line of five for sixty two and was tight end six on the week. Well let's just say something else here. Depot is only questionable to return show. You is out name name. The the right pass catchers george kittle. Oh wait no es gone. I mean are you jordan. Reed got kendrick. Bourne is there. Is there an argument to be made that you could you could desperation flex flex jordan rate. Let's not go to okay. Because i i don't want the backlash now jason. We we made fun of just a you know friendly Jab at someone in our dynasty league because they were celebrating. Whoa i got richie. James in if for nothing. We're like yeah 'cause if if depots out if if george kittle is out all these guys are out then sure that you can play richie james. We're back where are we back back. Maybe he's not a bad player. Yeah so. I prefer my richie james spell jordan reed. I don't know i don't know about that. I was lexi one of the two. I'd probably flex richie james. Probably but jordan jordan reed is his impolite. He's employer and we'll talk more about him on the mega on show along with. We'll also talk about everything else in the world on the show Other options beyond that should be only picked up with a blindfold and holding your nose bird. Box it Logan thomas jimmy graham dalton robert onion. I mean robert tiny in would be kind of my favorite of that list beyond i agree except for the kaga matchup. They're just a solid defense tongue in would be my favorite. Because i really am. Just got goose logan. Thomas one catch And you don't know who jimmy graham and you won't sign dalton scholtz on principal. Now that's hundred correct. I'm a man of principles. But when he scores a touchdown. Mike comes in here. And he's like shock alaka. That is also correct. That's also true. Defensive streaming options laid off for me the giant I mean the. I think my my top play would be the saints against the denver broncos but they are rostered in a in their forties so well on defense. That's why i liked it. Because they're actually a really good defense drew lock. I get it. They've the handled business last week but they are rostered. Sixty percent ni. Spn seventy eight percent yahoos. That's a just go look and see if they happen to be there. But it's the giants the giants coming off a bye week. So they are readily available. The giants defense is actually a a solid unit and they get the cincinnati bengals who are already allowing a whole bunch of sax. Now you have ryan Finley back there and go ryan then leader. I did go back to the cardinals. Glory days ryan lindley almost that playoff game and ryan finley not not a not. A good quarterback in the giants are going to score we. We have a lot of advanced tools. Metrics things for the join the foot dot com supporters over at our website. There could easily be defensive tool where it just highlights whether or not. You're playing a rookie. Because when you whether it's jake gluten ryan well i mean. He's not a rookie but a a backup. Quarterback is just such a great situation for a good defense. The dow's another defense. I was going to bring up the cleveland browns Look they just dismantled. I mean i want my legal record matchup. Because i had the cleveland browns. They are playing against jacksonville. Oh my that out myles. Garrett doesn't matter exactly that's what i was going to bring up. Is there still a good play. And i've said this a couple of times of also picked them up in a couple of my leagues. I know that they've been a stork. Lee bad defense but the seahawks schedule is awesome. They're playing against philadelphia than the giants the jets than the football team. They're going through the division. You want to be playing against. So i think the hawks are another defense. You can pick up if you've been really struggling with your defense and every week you feel like you're making the wrong pick. The seahawks are out there. They're available and i'll throw at the the green bay packers they will be playing the chicago bears and who's playing quarterback for the chicago bears. It doesn't matter. You guys mentioned washington no not yet. But they're washington's plays on thanksgiving play dallas and. I'm not yes i understand. They got it done this past week. But i'm not impressed and i think Agreed andy dalton will make some mistakes which as young and his face. There's there's a. There's a lot of this week. Full stream ahead streaming quarterbacks for what what is this week twelve now right gracious. We did it. We did it we got. We got the week twelve. That's we always said we'll get there. Although i i'm gonna good daniel joan yeah Who is you know. he's actually. He's been okay lately. He's running the ball. Well he is the leading rusher for the new york giants and he's legit great at that. I mean he. He's so fast which blows your mind but you get him a little bit of space and he can be gone whether or not he will trip himself or into the end zone. Nine up to a coin flip nine rushing attempts for daniel jones last game he started he also has had games in. This is his last five game stretch. He had a seventy four rushing yard game and ninety two rushing your game and then sixty four in that last game so they design runs for him each and every game. Yeah and he's running as well as any quarterback in the league outside of colin murray. So he gives you baseline and now the the matchup is really good against cincinnati. I think this is a team. That's gonna be dejected. Right you you you lost you. Lost joe burrow. You're you're you're not playing for anything now. You don't have joel mix and you know. They're they're favored and over the past five weeks. The cincinnati bengals have given up the fourth most points to the quarterback position so daniel jones i think is a fine streamer option this week. All right mike. I'm going with derek cars and in Also enjoy the the magical christmas rump of diehard. We tis the season. I've already watched it a great movie. not a sponsor but derek carr diehards sponsor. I just want to clarify for the people. Yeah i think people think we're pandering for that. Well look vhs is iheart sponsoring people. At this i am open to die hard sponsorship on this show i. i'm throwing weirdest disclaimer. i've ever heard. Please give us a call we. We've been accused of stranger. I would love to be accused of derek cars. Pointing the atlanta falcons one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. That movie at eight thirty two years later. We're getting sponsorships. You heard about this about this. Movie die hard. I'm sorry gone gone and in the car derek. Unfortunately he's not playing against city again. 'cause that's when derek goes into his final form but the atlanta falcons it. It's back to a plus matchup. They had a nice to game. Run where they rallied. Yada yada yada. And then we've seen them in the last two weeks get torched by drew. Lock and take some hill. Derek cars is in streaming streaming contender this week. You know. i'm a lifetime order of you're card carrying car carrier. Yes let me. Just highlight on the year. Seventy percent passer. Averaging two hundred forty three yards a game in two touchdowns a game this year with a quarterback rating of one. Oh seven for derek carr. So he has been an exceptional. Nfl quarterback this year. However every time. I have streamed him. It is not worth out for me so likewise. I hope you get you as well. Yeah but mike's gonna shows outs done Yeah and then. I'm going to i'm gonna bring up. Tastes some hell no. He's not a tightened anymore but yes he can be played. Yes you will see him. Hit waiver wires tomorrow when people pick up some of these options we brought up on the show. They're going to let go of the cheat code because they may be. Somebody like myself. Who had tastes hill on a team with patrick mahomes or with the team with josh allen. You're not going to play tastes hill over those quarterback options. However you might not have a great option in league week. I played tastes them. Hill at quarterback over cam newton and it worked out. That's the kind of situation you could find yourself in is a viable streaming quarterback option. He will run the football. He has an elite Top five wide receiver michael thomas. He has elite talent out of the backfield and He's going to produce. You're not going to get a week. Losing week from tastes some hill as starting quarterback day some hills a must add. Yeah if you. If you've got a a quarterback that's pretty much as as locked as it gets for fifty rushing yards that that baseline is outstanding. He can get rushing touchdowns and he is available in the majority of leagues not on. Espn because everybody picked him up for the cheat code tight end situation. But if you're planning on yahoo on sleeper on cbs any any other platform he. He is still out there on waivers to pick up and play quarterback and we wanna thank pristine auction for supporting the show. Because that's what they do. Bring the support. Keenan allen signed jersey yesterday seventy-six which is ironically the exact same amount of targets had last week seventy-six. Yes it was a good week. It's also the amount of trombones seventy six trombones okay. pristine auction dot com use code ballers check out there hundreds of daily sports memorabilia auctions Been browsing of late. We've got christmas coming up I also have a son who is a. He can't decide between getting fifty deandre hopkins items or fifty kyla murray items So i've i've been browsing and Get him something special for christmas. 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"The temptations that you face it work many believers say you know? I don't really like working with unbelievers because I get tempted all the time. Well you'RE GONNA get tempted with believers as much as with unbelievers and it's not a sin to be tempted. It's ascended give in to temptation not extend to be tempted. You'RE GONNA be tempted the rest of the life no matter where you work and so. It's a myth that if I just get around Christians. I won't be tempted to buy a lot of stop. Jesus the Bible says was tempted in every way like as we yet he never sin he never gave in. So it's not a send to be tempted. Jesus never sinned. But he was tempted. Did you know that God can even use the temptations in your life for good? He can even use those temptations to build character because temptation is simply a choice. I can choose to do. Good are anxious to do bad every time I choose to do. Bad temptation harms me. Every time choose to do good. Temptation becomes a stepping stone for growth. You see you can't just leave truly say I'm an honest person unless you've ever been tempted to be dishonest. You can't say I'm a fair person unless you've ever been tempted and had the opportunity and the choice to be unfair. You can't stand responsible person. And thus you've ever had the choice or opportunity. Temptation to be irresponsible every temptation. It comes into your life. Listen is an opportunity for growth. Every temptation is an opportunity for growth. It's an opportunity to change your change your character to build it to develop strength of character. I Corinthians ten thirteen is a wonderful promise remember that the temptations that come into your life are no different from others experience in other words we all are tempted in the same way and God is faithful. He will keep the temptation from becoming so strong that you can't stand up against it and when you're tempted he will show you away out so you will not give into it when you say it was too strong. I couldn't handle. You're lying because God says I will never allow more on you than I put in you to bear it up now. The reality is that sometimes Problems at work are just overwhelming. And you feel like you're going under and you feel like you're about to be swallowed up. What do you do? Then what do you do when you're overwhelmed? Well you do what Paul did when he was overwhelmed. In Second Corinthians chapter one verse eight nine. Paul says this. I think you ought to know about the hard times we went through in Asia. He's these times he was overwhelmed. He said we were really crushed and overwhelmed. And we fear we would never live through it. We saw how powerless we were to help ourselves. He's we are down down down down. We're we're we're powerless. We're overwhelmed. He said but even that was good for then we put everything into the hands of God. Alone who alone could save us? And he did help us now. Listen very closely. When you're in a problem work that is so overwhelming. You think I'm going under with this. I'm not gonNA survive this. You do two things. I like Paul. You turn the problem over to God through prayer to God fight. Paul says I'm overwhelmed. I'm helpless I'm confused I feel like I'm not GonNa make it through you. Cry Out to God. You turned the problem over to God. Do Prayer that's the first thing you do. You're listening to Pastor Rick Daily Hope Rick back in just a moment to close out our time together so please stay with us if you missed anything. Just go to Pastor Rick Dot COM to listen online anytime or to sign up for Rick's free daily email devotional pastor. Rick has a powerful way to reenergize your prayer life. It's called the daily Hope Prayer Journal. Here's rick to tell you more. Do you ever feel like your hair's get stuck in a Rut. Would you like to know what God told me to do? In my prayer life got stuck in a Rut. It was time when I felt like praying the same thing over and over and over fact. I was beginning to wonder if God was even answering. My prayers are even listening. Maybe felt that way. Sometimes maybe you feel that way right now. So what did God tell me to do? Well here's what he told me. It was such a powerful way to reenergize my prayer life and it was so simple that I wanna pass it on to you. God told me to do this. He said Rick. Start writing down what you're saying to me and then I want you to write down what I say to you. Write down what you say to me and then write down what I say to. You is really not that complicated. God just said I should start by writing down what I'm feeling and then I should write down. What he tells me. After I've read his word it's really just a form of journaling and spiritual journaling is a spiritual habit that will help your prayer stay fresh and effective if you've never tried it. I'm begging you. Try this for a week or two and see. If it doesn't reinvigorate your prayer life journaling has many many benefits to your spiritualize life. It'll help you stay consistent in your prayers it'll give you a permanent reminder of how. God answers your prayers because you get rewritten him. Down is shows how God is working in Your Life. You can go back and review it. It'll even help. You worship God more and more as you speak to him. God speaks to people who care enough to write it down so write down what God tells you. But you've got a place to do that now. I want to encourage you and I WANNA help you take this simple step of learning this new spiritual habit In your prayers of writing down your prayers and writing down your prayer request so what I did is. I had my daily hope. Team create a brand new spiritual prayer journal. It's got a real simple to follow format that will help you put into practice. God's wisdom that is found in Philippians four six that says this don't worry about anything instead. 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Welcome to sixty six forty the ministry outreach of coin. India Housing Quantity Institute. Today's Bible teacher is Dr Chuck Mesler connecting the Bible. The your life and the world around you in today's study Dr Miss Lib Against Teaching on the Book of Acts Chapter Nineteen and twenty. Well I want to welcome you to session twelve expiration of the book backs and again whenever we go into the word of God we want to be accompanied by the Holy Spirit. So let's bow. Our hearts were prayer. Father we thank you for your presence. We thank you for your word and we thank you for bringing us all here together. We pray father that your purpose would be accomplished in each of our lives as we commit ourselves into your hands to explore your word and we pray the Holy Spirit companies his and reveal how we should apply this to our lives as we commit this hour ourselves into your hands in the name of your Shula are coming King Indie. Amen well okay. We're in the were continuation of Paul's Missionary Journeys Third Missionary Journey. But in the last session. There was a little anecdote put at the end of the chapter eighteen. That really was a setup for chapter nineteen. So let's go back can pick it up about verse. Twenty four and a certain Jew named Apollo's born in Alexandria an eloquent man and mighty in the scriptures came to emphasise. So he's quite a guy. There's many many scholars that are really interested in learning more about him and a very effective. Now this incident that's GonNa Record here is obviously a prelude to the first seven verses of Chapter Nineteen. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord and being fervent the spirit he speak and taught diligently the things of the Lord knowing only the baptism of John. Another is what he knew. He dealt with very positively very eloquently but unfortunately he only understood up to that point. He had no concept of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ so he was. He was as a believer but not there yet. So the word fervent. They're really means boiling hot in the way of the Lord now John. The Baptist taught three great truths forgiveness of sins on the basis of repentance in fact only on the basis of repentance expressing that all through baptism marks ministry and he pointed to one who is coming to complete their salvation. What's missing the whole from John? The Baptist presentation if you're a disciple of John the Baptist. That's as far as you went. What was missing in your program was the cross. Because of course that hadn't happened yet during John's ministry fact he was executed before the Cross therefore the resurrection was not part of his perspective. And certainly the Holy Spirit's baptism had not occurred yet. So three things. He had three things. He was short. And they point to the shortages that Apollo was suffering from so anyway opposed to began to speak boldly in the synagogue whom were a killer and Priscilla had heard they took him onto them and expounded onto him the way of God more perfectly or to say it more politely. More completely wordperfect. There's used in the sense of completeness. He certainly was incomplete. So it's very providential that Priscilla kill was left in F- assistant counter him to the right people at the right place at the right time. That's the handiwork of the Holy Spirit. It's also impressive. This guy policy's very impressive for several reasons. He's obviously very bright obviously very eloquent but he had an attribute that is probably more important than any of those he had humility. He was open to correction. And that's a challenge for all of us always be open. Always be listening. The teachable will always be humble. Humility is always ward and so he received that and it became a mighty evangelist and he went onto a care that is the area of Greece in Corinth and so forth and when he was disposed to pass into the brethren wrote exhorting the principals to receive him who when he was come help them much which had believed through grace for mightily convinced the Jews and that publicly showing by the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ the Messiah Okay of course the capital of that whole province was corinth itself. Pick it up now. Chapter Nineteen and Paul is in Antioch. He then goes ahead and he he revisits all the churches throughout Galicia and frigid in. That order always goes back and visit US them to encourage them and so forth and Paul van in Ephesus. He makes emphasis his base of operations for three years. And that will cover the first seven verses of the Chapter The Disciples. Oh policy will receive the Holy Spirit. The churches founded in the following verses. So let's get up now and chapter. Nineteen verse one came to pass that while I was at Corinth Paul. Having passed through upper coasts came to emphasise and finding certain disciples you. It's interesting that this is all derives from Apollo's who was indebted to a very plain couple gillen priscilla from their earlier meeting. Now is it now in the province of Asia of course which included the western part of Asia minor and the Romans took this country about one thirty BC. Finally the name of Asia is extended to the whole continent and of course the jewel of the Roman Empire along with Africa. So what's called a senatorial province? It was full of great cities that are very prominent in the Bible emphasis. Smyrna pergamum Thyatira Sardis Philadelphia Latasi the the seven churches of revelation two and three are here but also Hossa hopless upon air and Hellenism had full sway. Their emphasis was the capital of this area. And the chief city it was richer and larger than corinth so emphasis a very important place and it was located at the entrance of the valley. The meander to the east here was the power of Rome and the splendor of Greek culture and the full title of Oriental Superstition and Magic Temple of Artemis was one of the seven wonders of the world. We'll be talking quite a bit about Artemis or Diana. They get confused because one is Greek and one is Rome and they have both use the same were names reversed. But we'll get that here while emphasis. Some hold the Paul at this time wrote the epistle to the Galicians after his recent visit there some that he did before his visit to Jerusalem whichever he said unto them have he received the Holy Ghost since she believed and they said unto him. We have not so much as heard whether there be any holy ghost you see these disciples. Apollo's were suffering from the same deficiencies Apollo head. Although Apollo's situation had been corrected when he was in Corinth these guys are emphasis suffering from the same deficiency in effect the Holy Spirit that you receive and believing the question. Paul deals nothing. Woman's Abraham and he said unto what then were you baptized and they said onto John's baptism in other words they're understanding didn't go any further than John. The Baptist Bensaid Paul John Varley baptized with the baptism of repentance. Saying under the people that they should leave on him which should come after him. That is on Christ. Jesus in terms of JOHN'S BAPTISM CHRIST. Salvation was rather expected than having actually come. And that's what makes all the difference. See the Old Testament actually ends in Luke. Sixteen sixteen the Old Testament ends with John. The Baptist John. The Baptist is regarded as the last of the Old Testament prophets. We're talking New Testament now. We're talking post resurrection now. In the whole issue is the Holy Spirit. We we're going to explore five verbs of the Holy Spirit. There are four of them that are used in the singular since that event that occurs once and only once born of the spirit into the family in John Three. Of course that happens once in a lifetime. If you're born born you don't need to be born again so I can time. If you're born you're born this is the idea. You're baptize of the spirit into the body. Once and for all Second Corinthians twelve deals that you're in dwelt by this spirit living in us and that's permanent in fact without repentance. That's the thing that Amazed Paul. Any hempstead away in several places especially in in the visions but it comes up of course also in Romans. Eight and your sealed. Not only are you in dwelt by the Holy Spirit but you're sealed by the spirit unto Redemption Fijian's one three and four and on it goes so those four verbs are used in a once and for all since but there's another verb that is repeated repeated experience in your walk and that is the filling of the spirit. And that's what if Asians five talks about that's essential to understand. There's a lot of confusion about this the useful host spirit and I encourage you. Do Your own study. Pay Very close attention to both the prepositions and the verbs here the verbs for them are a Watson for all event. The last one I mentioned is something that you seek again and again and again if you're going to be an over comer and there's much to say about that the prepositions he is whether he's in you in dwelling upon you and so forth and so now are we a contradiction as the question. Do we have a union without communion is a question? Do we have profession without experience? Big Difference between professor actually having experienced it. Do we have life without health? It's another way to ask. Do we have movement without actual progress? Do we have battles but without victory? Do we have service without success? Do we have trials without triumph? Each one of these imply or raise the question. Have you been filled with the spirit? You may be saved but are you filled with the spirit and are you on the right side at Easter but on the wrong side of pentecost are you on the right side of pardon but on the wrong side of power. Are you justified? But not yet sanctified. That's there's a big debate in the Christian body about the use of these terms when my wife and I published a kingdom power and the glory was amazing how divisive that was in some areas and the the fact that sanctification is a work in progress justifications once and for all. Jesus did on the Cross. All my sins were paid for them. What am I sanctify? That's never finished. Continue growing all this need to continually raise the bar on her walk. And if you want an indepth study gift the spirit we suggest you get a briefing package on the spiritual gifts or simply go to our commentary on the book of Corinthians both I crazy it's twelve thirteen and fourteen deal with this issue. Let's move onto verse five when they heard this. They were baptized in the name of Lord. Jesus and when Paul had laid his hands upon them the Holy Ghost came up on them and they speak with tongues and prophesied and all the men were about twelve and he went into the synagogue and he speak boldly for space of three months disputing and persuading the things concerning the Kingdom of God. That was fine for a while but then verse nine when the divers were hardened and believe not but speak evil of that way before the multitude he departed from them and departed and separated disciples disputing daily in the school of terrain. Ious this guy. Tournus other words in the synagogue. He did fine for a while until the Judy ganged up him hardened and fought with him and so forth so he departed from them went next door and got some space place. It's called the school of tyrannus. Tyrannus knows they speak evil of the way they didn't have denominational names. The spokesman as the way it was a subset in their minds at least of Judaism. It was that the particular way of dealing with things but who is the way? Jesus the way is the person I am no way to in life. Jesus quite so. That was a term. You'll find us several times in scripture and we tend to use the term today. Christians are believers but they call it the way these guys speak evil of the way and you'll discover the Paul before he leaves emphasis is GonNa really preach to them to the elders there and it's clear when you look at Jesus letter to emphasis in revelation two that they apparently heated that instruction and they walked out. They were on guard for false teachers and so forth. No Jesus said I am the way. And that's where we get that phrase now the school of terrain. This was used by Paul as outreach. Throughout the province for two years versed in and this continued the space of two years. So that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord. Jesus both Jews and Greeks. That's quite a sentence that all those that dwelt in Asia heard the word they we turn the world upside down now. We also understand that he had he may have had an unrecorded visit to corinth since the one next recorded is twice called his third visit. If you're tracking his repeated visits record and during the close of this long stay this two year stay here. He wrote I Corinthians and also many scars but he also when he wrote Galicians. It was perhaps the most productive period of Paul's life in the minds of some others would argue that his imprisonment Rome which led to the prisoner bristles was even more productive but the school terrain. And we WANNA understand this guy. The term actually means tyrant but it was a common term in that area and there is an encryption on the columbarian of the Livia as that. It was a physician in the court. That's maybe where they pick this up and another scholar suggests the possibility that a relative of this physician was lecturing on medicine and emphasis and so was a friend of Luke. Look Beh- doctor. This may have been a friend of Luke and that may be why Luke was able to arrange the the school space it. Paul may have been given the space or he may be able to rent it for a modest fee because he's there for several years so it would be helpful to Paul to have a place to preach. And it's next door to the synagogue. They weren't welcome in the Jewish community. So he's down the street here. Probably a public building or lecture hall hired by Paul Alone to him and possibly through Luke. We find references to those kinds of halls. The Codex busy ads from the fifth hour to the tenth as the time allotted for Paul to work in this hall and that would be before mid-day until the close of the afternoon sort of what we think of as a Siesta time in hot cultures in hot climates cultures. They take a break in from noon to early afternoon. And that would be a time. That many people are off work. They take a Siesta. Or whatever that was a time that Paul was apparently preaching for a leisurely meal. Maybe a nap some sports or visiting Paul at the School of tyrannus and they would reopen the. They typically nine thirty that night. Much cool if you've visited Spain or some of this country countries. You're familiar with that cycle of the day. Now it's interesting. Just as at Corinth. Paul greatest was after his withdrawal to a separate place of meeting. He had faithful. Helpers Paphos is referred to that GIBBES Leeman names come up frequently and rashes are stark as Titus Proximus and they all establish churches eastward veloce later. Ceo Lewis and others and also probably Smyrna satire Pergama Philadelphian sorry which of course emerge in Jesus letters that constitute a revelation chapter two and three. Now Paul paid his expenses by working. He had a vocation. Making tents will find that more next chapter but he probably stayed with Priscilla killer. Because they had that common trade common interest between them but it also says that he pastored from house to house. I'm always interested in everything. Book an accident to happen in homes. And that's why I call it home the once the once and Future Church. That's where it all started and that's where it's migrating today. Today you can really offensive health in the nation by the degree that people are meeting in small groups during the week to study the word of God in God. Ross special miracles by the hands of Paul so that from his body where brought into under the sick handkerchief Sir aprons and the diseases departed from them and the evil spirits went out of them and the word by the way. The word miracle here is doing this which from which we get the were dynamite. These are real miracles going on here but with handkerchiefs aprons. This is. This is very strange. Stuff now Mesa's handkerchiefs. Were typically the sweat bands from somebody. That's working hard. That's what they're really dealing with here. Aprons were the leatherwork apron so both of these items were byproducts of vocational effort and they were sought after because they were Paul's but we even see Even the mosaic period. Even Moses had symbols his staff for an example Aaron's Rod and so forth God will use these occasionally for miracles. See God often does condescend to meet us in our own ignorance weaknesses. Where he can reach us is doesn't imply that these things were magical. It's just that God chose to use them there. There's a big difference there. It's a far far cry from those that on radio or television and offer you. If you give a special offering they'll send you and a handkerchief or something I don't. There's they have nothing to do with what's going on here but there are biblical uses are biblical examples of uses of symbols of various kinds. Elijah had a notion that some of the power of Elijah recited in his mantle. You may recall. There is some even sought help from Peter Shadowy read x five back there and so on. But let's move on. Then certain of the Vagabond Jews exorcists took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord. Jesus saying we jury you by Jesus whom Paul Preaches and there were seven suns if a Jew and chief priests which did so. It's kind of a strange thing here. Now these are exorcists. These are a cultus. But they're endorsing echoing Paul's Ministry. That sounds like a positive. No they just. They're taking tried to take advantage. Here's what's going on. Notice here. They call them that had evil spirits. The name of e Lor. Jesus Watch notice the article there by the way the Lord Jesus as if to identify the magic word to demons with the addition of whom Paul Preaches. They thought success turned on the correct use of a magical formula. They're trying to adapt and adopt a magical formulas but the really after and there were seven sons of Jewish chief priests which did took advantage of this no the spirit answered and said this is a demon possessed guy right the the evil spirit answers says. Jesus I know Paul. I know who are Ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leapt on them and overcame them and prevailed against them so they fled out of the house naked and wounded this one demon possessed by the demon his reaction to these occultist. You know Jesus we'd all Paulino but who he and this one guy overcome seven the seven sons of Ziva. Now some people that have been sitting if you dig into this with the exposures you discover that some say the Greek implies only to and that's not quite correct in the language here the term. That's used their implies. All seven the word. What where we say both at means to. But they're the Greek structure implies a plurality of all of them but it takes it takes some depth of understanding of the Greek to get into that even in old English. The word both means more than two. This is a place where some expertise and exit exit. Medical work is useful but in any case. That's obviously these kinds of seafood. Got The worst of it. I think that's kind of that would make a great movie scene. You know and the overcame them so one man became overcame all seven of these guys. Jesus I know another term there in the Greek means a deep instinctive innate knowledge. Okay Paul I'm acquainted with C. Notice the personality of Satan's forces there personages that are sent knowledgeable and very resourceful. There's a number of events in the Gospels and also here that one of the things we need to understand these creatures are real. These aren't euphemisms for some psychiatric problem. An obsession being possessed these are sentient knowledgeable and very resourceful beings. So now this is the fourth satanic encounter here we had Simon magazine May remember. We had elma by Jesus and we had to flip in. So this is the fourth encounter that we've encountered here okay per seventeen. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling emphasis and fear fell on them. All and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified and many that believe came and confessed and showed their deeds so the Michigan blooming here. This is a very major center in the primary Roman province and the word is getting out. People are getting saved many of them also which used curious arts meaning. A colleague practices brought their books together and burn them before all men and they count the price of them and founded fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. These books we're not into books in our culture but the real lesson here is some of these things are dangerous and these are weapons of Satan Warfare See. Human beings are not easily invaded. They he can't bother you unless you give them permission. But you can inadvertently given permission by things you indulgent and that can be Ouija boards that can be seances horoscopes. These are all things that can be used by the dark side and we need to understand that. These things are not harmless entertainment. These are not things that are not without their risks because they are what some people would call an entry. That's ways hey demon can get a toehold. If you've read the book or saw the movie. The Exorcist William Bladder the author. I remember in water Martin's going to set out to attack him thinking he hadn't done his homework discovered that he had done his homework. He actually that novel based on some several case studies. The case studies happened to be a young boy in New Jersey in the movie. They made a girl but the point is that the body had done his homework and from that point of view was accurate. Water didn't like the way the end of the movie because it has Satan win in effect but he had to yield because he realized that he had done his homework but the point. I'm getting really big reference to that. What started all those bizarre goings on and they are based on a real Kelsey. A case study is that all started with this Gal fooling around with a board and that was an entry. That's what started the whole the whole episode and this goes for a role playing games and so forth and I haven't kept up with gaming industry but I wouldn't be a bit surprised at some of the popular video games. Maybe and that same category could be dangerous from an colleague point of view. These are all potentially weapons of Satan's warfare now Dimitrius is gonNA confirm the tremendous influence Paul Ministries in emphasis in Asia. Verse Twenty Six coming down. But they returned the place upside down forty years after this plenty in his famous letter to. Trajan from Kenya will say of Christianity is follows for the contagion of this superstition was not only spread through the cities but also through the villages country places see was in these years emphasis that Paul was greatly disturbed over the troubles in the Caribbean Church and apparently will let her to them on. That is now lost to us. That's the reference. In First Corinthians five went through before last time. You've been listening to sixty six forty the ministry outreach of coin. India House and Quantity Institute. 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Swindle reminds us that God appoints the most unlikely unqualified people to undertake what appears to be impossible. This message number six in the thirteen part series called wise counsel for troubled times jerk titled. Today's message taking responsibility. It was Awro Zor. Who said may not the inadequacy of much of our spiritual experience be traced back to our habit of skipping through the corridor of the kingdom like children in the marketplace. Always chattering about everything. The pausing learn the true value of nothing. Take time through your wheat to be quiet and learn in that stillness again that he is God. We're looking today. The ancient book of Nehemiah among the less known of the truth of the Scriptures. Unfortunately is the story of Nehemiah. A man who took responsibility all on his own before God to fulfil a mission that no one else was taking care of. Reading for You several sections of this book verse one of Nehemiah One. These are the memoirs of Nehemiah Son of Academia in late autumn in the month of Kids Web the Twentieth Year of King. Art exerxcise rain. I was at the fortress of soo-sung Hernani one of my brothers came to visit me with some other men who had just arrived from Judah I asked him about the Jews who had returned from captivity and about how things were going in Jerusalem they said to me things are not going well for those who returned to the province of Judah. They are in great trouble and disgrace. The wall of Jerusalem has been torn down and the gates have been destroyed by fire when I heard this. I sat down and whipped in fact for days tested in prayed to the God of Heaven. Chapter two verse one early. The following spring in the month of Nissan during the Twentieth Year of King Art Exerxcise rain over serving the king his wine I had never before appeared said in his presence. So the king asked me. Why are you looking so sad? You don't look sick to me. You must be deeply troubled then. I was terrified but I replied long live the king. How could I not be sad for the city where my ancestors are buried is in ruins and the gates have been destroyed by fire? The king asked. Well how can I help you with a prayer to the God of Heaven replied if it please the king and if you are pleased with me your servants send me to Judah to rebuild the city for my ancestors are buried. The king with the Queen's sitting beside him ask. How long will you be home? When would you return? After I told him how long would be gone? The King agreed to my request verse. Eleven suv I ride in Jerusalem. Three days later I slipped out during the night. Taking only a few others with me. I had not told anyone about the plans. God put in my heart for Jerusalem. We took no pack animals with us except the donkey. I was writing after dark. I went out through the valley gate past the jackals will over to the Dung Gate to inspect the broken walls and burned gates. Then I went to the Fountain Gate and to the Kings Pool. But my doggy couldn't get through the rubble so through. Though it was dark I went up the keyed Ron Valley instead inspecting the walls before I turned back and entered again at the Valley Gate. The city officials did not know. I've been out there or what I was doing. Reid not said anything to anyone about my plans. I have not spoken to the Jewish leaders the priests the nobles the officials or anyone else in the administration but now I said to them you know very well what trouble we're in. Jerusalem lies in ruins and its gates have been destroyed by fire. Let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem and M D- this disgrace. They're not told him. About how the gracious hand of God had been on me and about my conversation with the king one other two verses in Nehemiah six versus fifteen and sixty so on October to the wall was finished just fifty two days after we had begun whenever enemies and the surrounding nations heard about it. They were frightened and humiliated. They realize this work had been done with the help. You're listening to insight for living to search the scriptures with Chuck's window all be sure to download his searching the scriptures studies by going to insight world dot org slash studies and now. The message called taking responsibility. Words are important. They're not just the building blocks of our language or of our sentence structure their important. They mean something. They give life shape and meaning definition significance. How significant at times is just one word? Just one years ago I was invited to Caracas. Venezuela just outside there for missionary involve. Linton I went alone and and was there for a little over a week. It was a wonderful time of cross cultural involvement being with people of another language and seeing geography completely. Different from what I was familiar with and but I registered to be taken to to the little room where I was to stay. They said Oh. You're the speaker and I said Yeah. Oh you get your own room and had nice. Is that while there was a corrugated iron shack outback. And you got there through a long series of paths and and a show. I'm alone in another person. Sitting near the registrar said well almost the power of one word so I get there and I walk in and it was naked lightbulb. Sit Down to chair. There's a little table there. Little single bed there it starts to rain. I can hear it hitting on the targeted hired a roof above me and I had the distinct feeling I wasn't alone I wasn't alone and I look up on this. A looks like a four by six. That was a part of the frame of the of the shack. Where I was staying in here was a hundred foot long Iguana. Well it seemed like that it was maybe maybe two and a half feet long. If you've never been close to an Iguana you haven't known what loose stool is all about. So I might as well say it and I look up and I'm I'm like Oh okay and then I had a conversation with him because I we are her and I realized that we were going to be sharing this room and it was. It's room I woke up the next morning but little pellets across my blanket that were at thing had crawled on me through the night. I'm alone almost another occasion in Guatemala outside Guatemala City and and read the rugged surroundings and when I checked him there I was given a very nice stick. Walking stick thought great. Get to walk around with with the stick. You know I thought maybe I use it to push the grass the side as I find my weight little check or I'll be staying and I said Oh that's nice and the lady said No. It's necessary I thought it was just a little walking stick. What on realize it's every time you shower the scorpions come up out of the drain. And they share the shower. They enjoy a shower or two before they sting the snot out of you and you spend your time with that lovely stick got twelve one time and it was kind of a record in our group. We all those things so all the all the time. You're showering it isn't just nice. It's necessary to have a stick power one word speaking of words in the beginning. What God good for you? I four words of the Bible that most people have never really stopped to think through or the significance of them. How powerful or those four words so significant that the skeptics cannot stay away from them continuing to shoot their barbs doubt and criticism against them even questioning whether they are true or not especially when you add the verb the fifth word in the beginning God created how powerful one word one word just one now think about. He's he's the creator. Then that means all of us are the creative head. We're the creatures meaning. We're not in charge. It isn't about us. We didn't create anything. We can't to create as God created this world. This Earth Means Omnipotent. You have no Area of weakness your omniscient you know all things your omnipresent everywhere in once you will return. You are transcendent and on and on I could go with the character of God. One word created means while I may have responsibilities. It isn't about me. Most of US spend a lifetime learning that some of you have still not learned it. You still think it's about you. Which is why you handle your money like you. It's your really your money. If I understand the word correctly by saying that it is God who created. It means. He's the center. There's nothing he isn't in the center of and that also means he's the owner. Whatever you create your own you own it. And since he created this earth and all things pertaining to it he owns it. Aw let that thought sinking in a moment of solitude. It'll change your whole perspective. You don't own your money you don't own your children you're not your own you don't own your life. It is a temporary period of existence. And then you're gone and the one who owns you will determine where next its sovereign right. It's not we don't own what we have been given. We don't make rules for what he's created. We don't have a vote when it comes to the purpose of our lives. You're not making your choice about your future. Your determining from the center of Your Life What. He wishes what he has planned. And then you follow suit you get in step you take your orders from him and that brings up two words that we have no business ever using and we often put together. There are neat little tidy categories. We use to help separate the difference between what is spiritual and what is unspiritual. They're called sacred and secular not biblical terms. They're not terms from the Bible. Their man made distinctions. You say well wait a minute if you're in ministry if you're involved with the church or if you're praying you read and believe the Bible and you study it or you're in the choir or you sing anthems or you're an architect and you design certain sacred architectural designs or you're involved in religious activity. All of that is sacred. All of that is spirit. But but if you're an engineer you're at a white or blue collar occupation or you have money or you play sports. You're involved in a wide variety of the arts. You do construction or you're engaged in sexual intimacy with your marital partner that that is a spiritual at secular really. Where'd you get that idea? You're foisting upon a word. Something that was never meant to be forced there and as a result you have your life in the midst of this false dichotomy. This is Sunday. That is Monday through Saturday. Really so Sunday's different. What happens to be the day? We worship it's the day Christ was raised from the dead significant in that sense but different from how we live no different from Tuesday morning or Thursday afternoon our Saturday noon no different way because all of his spiritual listen to me. I'm not making much ado about nothing. I'm making much ado about everything when you really latch onto this concept your whole work world changes nothing you do is then considered secular even though you may wear many different hats all of them or your God given responsibilities. You're a mother of six. Is your hat to wear god-given you have no children. That is your God given role. Why are you frustrated without children or with a house full of them because it isn't what you plan? It isn't about what you plan. You didn't create anything you were born. You really had nothing to do with that one day. You're her and so you spend your life involved in stuff by the way speaking of words a good time to pass along something. I was told by very competent businessman. Years ago he said Chuck you know what I discovered. What's that I found that the one who knows how will usually have a job? I've also learned that. He will usually work for someone who knows why. That's profound knowing. Why is the leader's job? Knowing how is the job of those who carry out the task knowing how we worship is all of our involvements knowing why that's my job that's the job of elders. That's the job of leaders in this congregation. We're we're responsible to know why you see knowing. How is the practical part of life knowing? Why is philosophical? It's much more difficult to identify. But I won't go there forty going there but I'm not going to stay there. What is always have to do? Nehemiah everything everything. What a remarkable man. So few people I've ever met so few people I was at a bank yesterday and late today and said to me. Shepardson no preacher. She says well you're going to enjoy a great weekend. Forgot you work on the weekend. I said well I do. I love it. She really ready with your message. Normally my wife has that question for me but she asked me and I said well yes better fact I am is really what are you. GonNa talk on us. Said Nehemiah could have given her a land site on Mars and it would not admit less to her and it's great. Yeah unbelievable man. Incredible man a man who three hats all of them God given and he was so responsible with three terrific got given responsibilities remember. He's a contemporary of Ezra. The priest we meet him as he's engaged in the capital city of Persia called Sue saw S. U. S. A. What's he doing there well? Us look at the last part of chapter one and you'll see the hat that he wore in those days. I was the King's Cup bear. No one today. We'll tell you. They're a cup. Bearer is not an occupation. That's extent in our times. What does it mean Merrill longer in? His excellent Dictionary Defines Cup bearer burst by giving us the Hebrew Word Mesh Mash means one who gives drink to one. Who GIVES DRINK TO UNGER continues? He was an officer in the household who tasted wine and passed it to those at the table. His role was a person of rank and importance from the confidential nature of his duties and want access to the royal presence. He possessed great influence his interesting to learn that this. Cup bearer to the king his personal aide which means what he knew the king nobody else years ago sent in our. We're involved with the flag officers at Pentagon. We were invited to the home of one of the admiral's top gun in the days that he flew and now that he was a three star he was no longer flying of course but a wonderful man and we came to the home of Admiral Johnson and invited this the end and he and his wife were there. A number of other officers from the record in the Navy and Army were there and we had a chance to have dinner with his wonderful military protocol. You didn't just walk in sit down. Eat Hot dog. I mean you have certain arms you take that are yours and you sit down to certain order and Cynthia took the admiral's arm walk along look back going and then I have the wife of the admiral on my arm and and we noticed something in the home. We didn't even think about standing down. The hallway is a marine captain. Ramrod attention looking directly at the wall. Not Looking at us. He's called the admiral's aide the aide. What does that mean well in military parlance he's involved in? The admiral's dress is a tire the placement of his medals the cleanliness of his clothing. He knew the admiral schedule. He was very aware of the admiral's home and the wife and the Family. He knew all of the secrets of the Admiral's. Life Nehemiah is the Kings. A just getting started in this message. 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Ohio shall welfare agencies are grappling with historically high caseloads? Are Mary Sherman reports? There's often not enough resources to provide timely services to children and their families one in four Ohio case workers left their positions. Twenty seventeen and turnover is even higher in some counties. Sarah Right with these Champaign County Department of job and family services explains that assessing abuse neglect is taxing. Work and can quickly lead to burnout. It's an emotional exhaustion. They have the secondary trauma from seeing the things that they see every day That really school didn't prepare them four. Because what we're seeing or very difficult things and he twenty nine hundred. Study half of Ohio case workers met the threshold for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Governor Mike. Dewine recently invested one million dollars in an emergency response fund. 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According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics are estimated. Two hundred fifty thousand hate crimes each year and finally our Suzanne Pottery ports have protests against citizenship laws in India are popping up across California and the US including rallies in La and San Francisco. Welcome down India's Citizenship Amendment Act which makes it easier for certain non Muslim refugees to become citizens because Siad with the California Coalition for India warns that anti-democratic ideas hold sway in some parts of the Indian American community. This ideology is here and he has taken roots ideology leaves in the Supreme Lissi of one religion and to end the secular nature of India and converted into a new nation. Prime Minister Narendra. Modi has argued that. His government does not target Moslems. I'm Suzanne Potter. More protests are planned for California including Public Forum on the situation in India though be held Monday at USC. Mike Clifford from public news service. 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Wednesday allocated more than eight billion dollars in emergency funds to combat the spread of the deadly corona virus that from CNBC their report the funding which provides more than three billion vaccine research and two point two billion prevention and preparedness was unveiled following days of negotiations on Capitol Hill San BC. Not Proposal provides a total of eight point three billion to combat the outbreak much more than president trump's administration originally proposed main was the closest race of the Democratic presidential primaries on Super Tuesday where former president Joe Biden narrowly beat Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders at a surprising victory. Laura Rus Brow. Tell 'em talks to me and political experts to explain how by one as on Monday centers was heavily projected to win the state which one against Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen professor. Sandy Mazel at Colby. College says one big change is that main switch for being a caucus state in two thousand sixteen to apply Mary State this year. We know in Caucuses. The most active most concerned most ideological people who turn out about it should surprise. Nobody that candidate like Senator. Sanders would do veteran classes in Party. Voters meet and make their case for their preferred candidate and vote at the end of the meeting in primaries. People simply cast ballots so since more moderates likely voted in the main primary on Tuesday. Mazel thinks this gave Biden. A boost by narrowly one main with about thirty four percent of the vote. Massachusetts senator Elizabeth. Warren came in third with close to Sixteen Percent Idaho. Lawmakers CONSIDERING REMOVING ENERGY STANDARDS BUILDING CODES. But our Eric Take off reports building industry groups say that would be a mistake that could put Idaho folks at risk provisions such as heat insulation and water sealing to prevent hazards such as black mold are addressed in energy codes striking. These requirements did not pass February Senate meeting but the proposal is being considered again today in house. Business Committee John Locks is community development director for Twin Falls County and a member of the Idaho Building Code Board. He's opposed to this measure. It's a common sense component. That we insulated house and make a home and buildings efficient to use less energy and to operate in a more healthy environment for the people who are in it. Locke says buildings that are more energy efficient also are more affordable at the February Senate committee meeting twin falls Republican senator. Jim Patrick suggested removing standards because energy efficiency is not a building safety issue and that is not appropriate for the government to mandate these standards. This is PMS OHIO. Shall Welfare agencies are grappling was stoically? High Caseloads are Mary Sherman reports. There's often not enough resources to provide timely services to children and their families one in four Ohio case workers left their positions. Twenty seventeen and turnover is even higher in some counties. Sarah Right with these Champaign County Department of job and family services explains that assessing abuse neglect is taxing. Work and can quickly lead to burnout. It's an emotional exhaustion. They have the secondary trauma from seeing the things that they see every day That really school didn't prepare them for because what we're seeing are very difficult things and he twenty nine hundred study. Half of Ohio case workers met the threshold for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Governor Mike. Dewine recently invested one million dollars in an emergency response fund. Tell child welfare agencies with staffing shortages and the caseload challenges caused by the DRUG EPIDEMIC MINNESOTA's lawmakers might soon consider a bill that would broaden the scope of the state's hate crime policies. The legislation would expand efforts to report incidents enhanced training for law enforcement when investigating such crimes. And make it easier to prosecute those who damage property hateful messages. Carlee Hoffman of Edina. Who is Jewish was prompted to speak out for change? After a swastika was found in a building at her child school once Swastika I felt sad and scared for my children and my family. I wondered if it was safe to send my kids school. Supporters of the bill say. The changes are needed. At a time. When there's been a prevalence of hate crimes? Even though Minnesota side decrease in such crimes during the latest year on record authorities say many go unreported Mike Homeland News Service according to the Bureau of Justice. Statistics are estimated. Two hundred fifty thousand hate crimes each year and finally our Suzanne Pottery ports have protests against citizenship laws in India are popping up across California and the US including rallies in La and San Francisco. Welcome India's Citizenship Amendment Act which makes it easier for certain non Muslim refugees to become citizens will cost Siad with the California Coalition for India warrants. That anti-democratic ideas hold sway in some parts of the Indian American community. This ideology is here and he has taken roots his ideology leaves in the Supreme Assi of one religion and to end the secular nature of India and converted into a new nation. Prime Minister Narendra. Modi has argued that his government does not target Muslims. 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Twenty four word pass phrase nonsense. Get you crypto own. Makes it easy? So we've been talking about Joe Biden and you know all of his creepy nece but before we get further into that. Let's go to the phones. Hi you're on free talk. Live anybody there. No because I didn't on Mute Your Free Talk Live. Hey what's going on? Hi What's on your mind. Hey I'm watching guys on D. Live tonight great. Show thanks did you. What I what I WANNA know. If I'm trying to figure out is how. How insane has the Democratic Party Become where they they pick creepy Joe Biden to be. I guess he's the front runner now. FOR THEM FOR THE PRESIDENCY WHICH IS INSANE. Joe Biden He's gotTa have some form of dementia. It does seem that he's a bit crazy for sure with his whole that's how I learned about Roach's and the little kids like to go into water. Struck by landcare stuff is dude down and I. I think it was always the plan. Biden was going to be the nominee. But they didn't count on him going senile in the middle of the election and now they have no idea what to do with the president. You have now. He was on a bus recorded at some point boasting about groping women and things like that like it was a cool thing to do so. That's my God. What trump when he first. When he was going to be elected there was some sort of story. Okay I'm not GonNa him grabbing groping women because what he said to me sounded like I mean is words included. When you're a star. They let you do it. Which is if they let you do that can from the allegations being brought against trump. They didn't exactly let him do it. He just never asked and then because they didn't send they let him. Why is it that every single politician is gotta be connected to some sleazebag pedophile just not well this thing? We want to hear the theory. I'm not saying it's true but I'll tell you the theory the theory is that they deliberately promote pedophile because of the blessing get they get blackmail material and then they want the People. They can blackmail in the most useful possible possible. Sit- situation see. I have a different hypothesis and I think it's probably more likely the case His power is corrupting influence. And people and I think if I remember correctly most Psychologist criminal psychologists tend to agree that molesting children raping children is largely about power and not any sort of sexual gratification. I know that's true of raping women. If you want to fund the government with theft I mean. This is the kind of people you're going to get like you said the creepiest. Nastiest people are going to want to want to rule over you. Yeah well I mean the first thing I say to a woman if she says to me every boy fender. I've ever had to spend abusive. The first thing I'm going to say is do you. Tend tend to date soldiers cops and football players because if so you're dating people who choose violence. They like violence enough to choose to do it. I don't know if I wanted to play football players and football players use violence in their sport as consensual. It is all consensual but you know for one thing the constant competition and the constant. I mean a lot of those guys are wrapped really tight and I mean I've dealt with them in convenience stores in at three o'clock in the morning. 'cause I grew up in Ann Arbor Michigan which is a big ten town and so and I used to deal with. These guys came in there like this this this free. Don't you know who I am and it's like no? I don't know who you are in my store. You pay special privileges for on on bigger people but then hastert did not look like a football player. I don't I don't know what one of those is. Who is standing husker? Can you cook? Who was the speaker of the House in two thousand ten John Bainer? No then I have. No idea was Dennis Hastert. I don't know man so wait. So why? Yeah that's the guy that got caught. He was like a a wrestling coach. Right I don't know the I don't know the story. I don't pay nearly that much attention to politics. And the speaker of the House and Some kids came forward or not kids but adults came forward and they brought up the fact that he was a pedophile Whenever he was a coach for wrestling and he tried to pay them off Through wire transfers and so he got busted for the pet foul but he got put in jail for illegal wire transfer. Dennis Hastert interesting. Well thank you so much for the call but yeah there seems to be an issue with people in power in political power seeking and finding other ways to establish an exploit powers power over others. I mean to me that just is the nature of the beast if you have a political system. That's the kind of person that's going to attract. It's like if you have a police force. The kind of person that's going to attract is the kind of person who wants to commit aggression. Yeah if you get off and hurting on hurting people and you don't become a soldier a cop or or you know an Ma fighter somebody who can actually hurt people professionally without somebody like you know electrocuting him than I don't know what you're thinking. I don't understand what you're doing with your life. It's the perfect job for you again. Thank you so much for the call. I think the entire political system. I mean it's it's built to attract that kind of person it's built to attract people who are rapists who are pedophile. Who ARE VIOLENT MAY MORAL PSYCHOPATHS WILL FRANK? Herbert's showed all government suffered from a recurring problem. Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not so much that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible and yes. If you get off on on power again what do you want to be more than anything else is president of the United States whereas I I you know I have the occasional nightmare about actually being elected governor? And it's like. Oh my God. Just bring me the. Bring me the pen because you know I'm not GonNa make it through this whole term. I don't WanNa do this. A wet dream than a nightmare. You Governor. Yeah well apparently envisioned my brain. Yeah the the notion of upfront for as a process but the notion of actually winning any of these at having to serve. I couldn't do it without violating. Oh types really oats but without violating principles. So I do I do all the cars with green for this is free talk. Live cancer categorizes. From the fourth letter of Captain Mark Landlubbers are conditioned to believe that the originators of an idea deserve exclusive rights. It but these. Innovators are nothing but privateers granted a monopoly by the crown. 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Anyway though I don't know I don't know but let's go to the phones. You're on free talk live. You're on free talk live. I'm walking here. What's on your mind. Okay I guess he's nervous anyway. Yeah thanks for the call call back so a lot of people are interested in what's going on here saying that one of these commentators in particular asserted that Joe Biden is the candidate trump fears. Most I don't think trump fears too many of his I think Tulsi Gabbard was probably the only one that he should have had any reason whatsoever to fear. I think Bernie. Sanders is the one that that he had a lot of reason. Reason to fear. That's really interesting. We've got three different. I don't know party. Centers just argues emotion. Oh we should do this. We have to have this. We have to take care of everyone. What could a left US voter? Like more than that well logic resend the fact that these blowing up this work well. I'm a leftist. I'm about as hard left as you can get. I think you went a little too far left and came out on the right thing because say don't feel bad. Same thing happened to me I was a Marxist when I was twenty forget liberalism. Democrats is that neo. Liberalism has conquered and liberalism. It's liberalism conservatism. Okay WITH FREE. Healthcare and free college and ain't throw basically it's see. I think the parties were are basically. I think the DNC and the R. N. C. Are More or less controlled by exactly the same people in their acting in concert. So you're not for real wrestling. You know who's going to get elected. They're trying they're they're they're trying to figure out who can prevent us from shooting them. I mean if possible by making us you know not angry enough to shoot them. Well that's how the entire political establishment works. When America gets too angry at the Democrats. The Republicans are swept into power and a different group of people becomes angry. While the first group becomes pacified and the first group that became pacified becomes angry again and votes for the other side and they just keep going back and forth with nothing ever changing and what the average American having to short attention span to even notice it absolutely. Nothing changed when wet from George W Bush to Barack Obama or from Barack Obama to Donald Trump absolutely? Nothing changed except for. Your money's probably worth a lot less as each change happens. Nothing Rosa Dat. No but I mean that's what you're you know that that's what they're hiding from you. Hey come look at these puppets and ignore the fact that You know your money doesn't buy much anymore. Look at the monkey looking to sell it. And now you have millennials and other young people who are like Barack. Obama was the best president of the United States. Ever had. Why WHOA WHOA in their life. Maybe he's identical to George W Bush. That's like saying that this pal. Abc's is the best one we've ever had superpower dog feces. You did notice the media tone change between Bush and Obama. They I mean they were growing as they were were groomed to love ovum. Yeah but that doesn't mean there were saying to qualitative difference between the two. I just say there was. That was my entire point. That was my entire point though. Was that you know younger. People have been conditioned to believe that Barack Obama was the best president. They've ever had when in reality he was indistinguishable from George. W AND FROM DONALD TRUMP GUY. I think all those media outlets are mouthpieces for the state the state for permission to broadcast their message. So there's once they get their license. There's no way they're not going to do whatever they're told. There's something else that happened after that I you had licensing and then you had the Cold War and all of a sudden they can tell the media you have to say anything or whatever it is because of spice stuff and we can't tell you why you're saying but you have to say this and one that's been going on for a couple of decades they'll say anything then it's the secondhand your airline and maybe well let's go to the phones. Hi You're on Free Talk Live. Yeah I was just curious on all. Have on the libertarian candidates. That's running for president. What do you mean like John? Mada our supreme I'm vermin supreme supporter. Verminous called in before I mean. There are no bad candidates in the field Some are better than others I thought he dropped out. Which one do you consider bad? I mean it's a matter of how popular are there but you have lunatics Benjamin leader and stuff like that who are technically presidential candidates. And they're just they're just terrible people. Oh Okay See. I don't even know that name so okay. I retract my statement that there are no bad ones in the field. Plus Bill Weld. We'll be back once he finishes listening to Don. Oh yeah he'll be a sore loser. Laws all over the country. He'd be sore loser. D- Today and stop Gary Johnson from doing in two thousand twelve or two thousand eight which every year Jerry. Johnson did it much earlier. It's the same thing that the he dropped out of the Republican primary and then joined the Libertarian. Party right but he wasn't that much much early I think he did it before Before Super Tuesday I I mean it was. It was like earlier than now in the cycle. I think because the thing is until you've can until you participated in a primary in a particular state. You can't get sore loser. There so like as more and more primaries happened was at least in the Iowa. State Primary Sore Loser. Act Who we talking to on the phone the gym class. That's such a cool name why it works yet. We're not getting much. 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I Mike Clifford from public news service. We are member listener. Supported Ron Line at public service DOT. Org Eight five five four five zero three seven three three eight five five four five zero free as in Free. Talk Live and with tonight. It's Aria Gray and nobody formerly known as rich. Paul and I WANNA move onto crypto currency because it fascinates me way more than politics to be totally honest but there were a few years ago. I'd actually I guess it was only about a year ago. the Royal Bank of India the RBI because I'm generally going to call them the RBI as we move forward on band crypto currency in the nation of India but today the Indian Supreme Court has ruled in favor of cryptocurrency and has ruled at that. Ben Has to be lifted nice. Now I've noticed that some of the top traders at a local dot. Bitcoin DOT com are actually from India. So That's interesting that there are still ways for them to circumvent this Ben from the RBI band. It's pretty hard to enforce crypto. Well I mean if you can get a if you if you can get a vpn but then how do they know who you're talking to? Well it's hard for them to buy or sell cryptocurrency without being able to explain what they were buying because they have to go through the Royal Bank of India to make payments. So it's difficult for them to the idea. I think behind these list. Just live yeah. I think the idea is to keep these people. From being able to acquire the CRYPTO currency in the first place one hundred percent. Yeah governments like to tell people know you know. That's going to work as well as bailing a boat with a sieve. Though you know they try to stop us from getting we'd to guess what legal drug market people can afford to buy. What we sell. Prohibition crypto would be no different and a quick correction is the Reserve Bank of India. I don't know why I thought it was the Royal Bank. I don't think you Royal Bank of Scotland who knows so coming to us from news dot. Bitcoin DOT COM on Wednesday. The Supreme Court of India finally ruled on the case against the Banke Ban by preserving the finally. Wow local news. It's BITCOIN DOT com. Oh Okay Okay I was GONNA say. Local News Platform Crypto. Kanoun reported from the courtroom. The Judgment Day has finally arrived. They tweeted at ten forty five. Am Breaking Supreme. Court of India has struck off the banking ban against Crypto. The court held that RBI circular dated six of April. Two thousand eighteen. So I guess it's been nearly two years is unconstitutional. I don't know anything about the Indian constitution normally. Why but now. I'm wanting to read it because I mean sooner or later they're they are gonNA come for. I think it's very possible. They're gonNA come for our CRYPTO and the and they're not gonna get it because I control mind using the edge wallet. I mean. It's not a matter so much as coming and physically taking it. I mean what they would do is shut down all the bricks and mortar places that accept it and then you can get things from pers dot. Io I mean that's how I would attack it if it was me because everything else to ephemeral but I don't think that works in order to take birth planned not to. I think their plan is to have a USD clean and actually released by the Federal Reserve Bank. Yeah but the thing is nobody wants. No we don't want the average American would use it. The average American is heard all about this. Bitcoin of the number one criticism they have of is oh well. Let's not backed by anything you point out into the world the USDA is either. They immediately resort to well. Let's backed by the government by the governor but that makes it worse not better right. Yeah well I mean in terms of usefulness. It's very useful because the the the the dollar is backed by. If you don't have enough of these things come tax day we will take your life either piecemeal by putting you in prison or permanently by whacking you in the process of trying to put you in prison. It's a gun being killed by the government. That's how that isn't how it is for the average American. The average American has their taxes paid by payroll taxes and then once a year they get a quote refund which is usually nowhere near what they paid in is usually tend to twelve times what they paid him because they get to claim kids and things like that and we get to subsidize their lifestyles and they'll get interest not we because I don't pay taxes at one point. I felt like that was getting money back so I was like. Let them save it for me. I pay like national sales tax so I don't pay income tax well there. There isn't a national sales tax. But the thing that you pay is when when you were the hidden tax is every time. They manufacture something every tax paid in the process of manufacturing. That thing gets built in your rice of that thing so and so like twenty six percent or something of everything we buy and probably worse now because it because that's an old figure from the fair tax book. Let's let's go to the phones. We've got James Calling from Arizona James. You're on free talk live. I'm out but you got great. How's it going? Someone I know was not well thank you. I should like to speak to you and ask you to take tell that man the tickets finger off the dump button man. What are you talking about? I'm holding sheet of paper in a pinch. I don't think anybody's ready to dump yet. What's that conversation with you? Yeah and have the last word. What's up someone I know was murdered? Sorry to hear that offer sticker. This Sunday I saw that on a bumper sticker underneath that I saw Helpline that one could call and I was thinking about how God I believe. In every Christian I know with things that so many that only eight years in prison for being accessory and possibly an actual murder is a grotesque miscarriage of judge justice and no Christian. I know believes Jesus wouldn't say anything other than that. Man Belongs in bar behind bars the rest of his life for you're not entitled to forgiveness some delays from this earth. That's the price you pay when you commit murder but I should also like to say that. I have read a review of a biography two days ago about this megalomaniac that the author calls fittingly nobody the man that believe in conspiracy theories and that's all he ever talked about about conspiracy theories about certain people ruling a controlling all the levers of power and that person had no tolerance whatsoever for anybody ever telling him he was wrong. That's why like again it's fitting that. Adolf Hitler was called the nobody by the author. Because do you know why nobody checks out when you call it? James rose to power. What's that gray? Do you know why nobody checks out when you call. He thinks because you get to talk too much can make little talk MEGLOMANIAC. That's why and he's a loser and a liar. He doesn't want to engage in dialogue with somebody that wants to challenge him to think the second time he actually loves to talk to people like that placate in enable his conspiracy mongering and delusions of grander. That's all he's running for governor but I also WanNa say that Hitler's neighbor only friend Albert Speer reminds me of one of your the person that owns that house. You're broadcasting from. He also got off easy for being accessory to mass murderer that is but like Albert speer junior and I'm not threatening anybody a kid's life is going to be ruined. That's a threat James. I keep saying that you're not threatening threat. Your like your. That had the peanut manner he spoke with my father. God bless him. The most decent honorable Christian man in gentlemen. Yes this is my. He's disappointed in your children. Your father is disappointed in fact he thinks it's funny. My father touch me. I'm like I was growing up my ass. Yes Champs you clearly touched. You is ashamed of view great. You know what my father would have done. I mean let's think about you. Call Your father at the most unbelievable nicest Christian men who ever lived and yet here. You are disappointments calling a national radio station to threaten a child. James. I can't imagine that. A decent loving moral upstanding person would be anything ashamed and disappointed by your behavior of other kids. I don't know what you're talking about. He doesn't like mark he doesn't like kids. Five five four five zero three seven three three. That's eight five five four fifty three free talk. Don't miss this year's from the sixth letter of Captain Mark a pirate's life is characterized by voluntary interactions. 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That's the Reserve Bank of India issued a circular in April two thousand eighteen banning regulated financial institutions from providing services to crypto businesses. The ban went into effect three months later and banks subsequently closed the accounts of crypto exchanges forcing some of them to shut down including Zep Pay Coin Delta and Coin X. None of which have I ever used maybe it specific to that area could be but you know I've used UK exchanges in the past. Before and I think at least one Canadian exchange. Yeah I mean you can use them anywhere right but A specific to India. You know some are more popular like maybe Indians aren't using Coin Bay served Cracking or whatever. Let's say speak English probably English. Language Arts exist is earn English language music. Something that sounds like it. I can't seem to speak it. I was just wondering maybe maybe it's not there anymore and that's why I don't know what these words mean. I'd be interested once we get into this. I didn't know why Steven Seagal is on the This sort of Crypto CNN. Add there on the screen at Stevens thing. He like got sued. Well evidently according to the headline I. I would like to see this as well. Just because of the headline I just remember this cool ass movies that he made a long time ago. So the SEC. Karate Chops Steven Steven Seagal over. I thought it was doug all the gall. Okay S. E. G. L. I think of her promoting crypto courtesy. Touted as the next Gen bitcoin. Now Steven Seagal has no keep them. Keep them forever the SEC. Karate Chops home it. He's he's also like legitimately awesome in real life. I mean he used to. He used to do this show where he was. A COP and cops aren't awesome but I mean he can actually white a match by shooting a gun at it on video doing this like it's impressive. I'll cadeau is is funny because most people don't really think of it as as a fighting art but if you learn the fighting styles and you do them well you can do things to people that. Like all the king's horses and all the king's men just can't undo. I've seen people do some awful things with that stuff. I mean he is crazy. I mean he did become a cop and who isn't this does well. Not all of us become cops. I mean there's a difference between crazy and crazy. He might as well jump right to cop because crazy is pretty much universal at this point Robert Heinlein said that these years would be remembered in history as the crazy years and I think he might be right. People have been saying that for thousands of years though but he thinks he has superpowers to degree and that the Aikido gave him superpowers ability to deduce things. That aren't to do simple. I have not heard that that he had that opinion of himself. Well he does say it directly but if you read between the lines he acts and talks like he has superpowers to some extent has got a lot of money. Gives THEM SOME POWER HERE? That's kind of super. That's true. Does that thing is a lot of money. -CCOMPLISH as he is in a martial art absolutely. He can do stuff that you can't do and stuff that. I can't do which is a superpower if ninety five percent of humans can't do it then that's super powerful that you can receive for human now. I would disagree with that assessment. Ninety human can do things that ninety five percent of humans can't do and I don't think that's really a superpower. What makes you a super human? Just makes me good at a particular thing that most people aren't good at capable of a thing that most people haven't even attempt isn't Super Mingo saw some weird things when I was a superpower is right of a magical ask terms but there's a whole bunch of human? He's not superhuman he's human. They can't be super human. I guess we would have to know the actual definition of the word super right like so if there's an people's above or good okay. Well Yeah but we're not dealing with just the word super we're dealing with the term superpower. I was saying superhuman which when I hear superpower. I think things like Batman ability to fly. Well that but do you know you might buy some explosive and somebody says the super powerful sure but they went and say. Wow you have a superpower because now you have a bomb so cryptocurrency enthusiasts all over the world have been eagerly awaiting to see what India? We'll do about crypto. Chris and it makes us isn't the population of India. Almost like a billion I don't that's a lot. That's a huge market. Could be the Indian. Government has been sitting on a draft bill that seeks to categorically ban crypto currencies except state issued ones obviously says February of last year the banning of Crypto Chrissy regulation of official digital currency bill. Two Thousand Nineteen. What name but at least they didn't call it the the Currency Freedom. Act or something like that they would have here in the United States who they're like the word freedom in some sort of law and it works if the government released a bill banning crypto currency. They would call it something like the Currency Freedom Act and what support it just because of that? Name the Patriot. Act which no no. Patriot would support at the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Which is neither democratic nor a republic? But that doesn't stop them from calling it. That load is reportedly in career as I understand it. It is true career and Best Korea Korea's saying only heard that from the One Korea I think the IMC Which is the interministerial committee. Tasked WITH STUDYING. The aspects of crypto currency was headed by former finance secretary. Ooh Let's Ella Name. Who has resigned so the person who came up with this resigned? Thank goodness six zero. Three two eight three sixty one sixty. Let us what you think about. Crypto. 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People have done this calculation and the number will surprise you if you own zero point. Two eight BITCOIN. You are statistically guaranteed to be at the richest one percent of the world in bitcoin terms. Wow if my church where a human it would say I'm the one percent that's like What two two grand right? Oh Yeah I think According to the article about eighteen hundred dollars right now. But that must be a lot of concentration. Yeah Point two eight hundred eighty seven. So that's probably that's over two thousand because there's Eighteen thousand two hundred forty four eighteen million two hundred forty four thousand plus bitcoin in circulation. We're updating now all right to be in the top one percent you only have to have zero point two eight. That means there's probably thirty forty fifty people who are holding just millions of bitcoins. See they know well. We know these wallace actually exist. But yeah and then of course there are some lost wallets. And there's all kinds of weird stuff on the blockchain the the best I think the best response to Craig rights law database. There's news on him as well by the way would be just say okay. Great no problem will dump your database and take the B. S. V. Code and just started over with no database. I don't I don't follow it. That it would eliminate the whale thing it would eliminate it and it would eliminate his claim. See what he's saying is lawsuit says. Oh Yeah I like some stupid code but I didn't license you the database okay. No problem we'll dump your database start over from scratch and I think that I mean if people knew what crypto was when cryptos started the crypto market would look like the crypto market. Looks of course. So if you started if you start it over with With fresh databases in some places it might actually lead lead to a much saner easier to understand a market. I think now tom confused already. Yes speaking of crack right. The climate versus right lawsuit in Florida continues to Unravel S. The plaintiffs law firm has accused. Craig writes a forging documents that allegedly stemmed from mysterious bonded. Courier La Monroe lawyers go after these. Not His own lawyers are his the plaintiff. Lawyers Creek rights to won't being sued here. No climates legal team was deposed former it and chain CEO. Jimmy Newgen I think win win new N if I had to guess I usually. That's the way it looks and I think I've heard that guy's name before because he's Cowan era too. I believe they claim they have been able to summon him says Valentine's Day of two thousand eighteen. Craig Wright who claims to be Satoshi Nakimora toy inventor of Bitcoin. But who absolutely is not? No Toshi Knock Komodo the Bitcoin Dyke. I like to think there's some you know pretty. Whoever ADMITTED INVADED BITCOIN? It seems like a pretty cool thing and so whenever I hear Craig Rights Speak. I do not think that like. Bitcoin came from a mind like that. Yeah everything everything. He says he's amazed that gives me creeping horrors allowed of it as far as I can tell is wrong. And he likes to use the state as a as a weapon is a state a lot and I think basically what this whole lawsuit is. I don't think it's even Craig right really necessarily running running the loss. It I mean Craig right is the kind of is the one being sued. So He's not running the lawsuit all your on. I'm sorry I was. I was speaking of a different set of lawsuits that we have an oven. He likes to go to court in around but yeah he serves a lot of people. Are you talking about the war? He's attempted to prove that he saito she. Because I think that's actually the same suit. No I'm talking about the one where he's talked. Maybe he hasn't filed it but he was talking about suing the miners using the various bitcoin forks through using his database without permission. I don't know if you've covered. That story It was well. That's countered the whole point of blockchain. Technology exactly is that. What's you have other people with that blockchain with a copy of that chain? It's no longer yours is decentralized distributed. Yeah I mean if he won that that lawsuit basically there would be no bitcoin I mean other coins would go on but but to do that. He has to prove he satory Nakamoto and he can't do that. Have you seen tweet? That Derek J. Freeman. Who hosts the show like once a month? Terrence like fervent. This this is the one I think he got. He ran into Craig. Ryton Craig Wright wrote a book and Derek had him sign it and Craig Wright actually sided. Craig Right Aka said Toshiba Komodo so dear believes thick derek beliefs. I think I know Derek. Well the darkest job Craig people about but he certainly is antagonistic toward crack rights. Think he's taking this day anybody except maybe oh? Oh Oh dare Derek can be and and tagging mystic. Don't get me. I loved Eric Rocks but I can't believe that. Oh Yeah Yeah. There's too much evidence that there's not too much evidence that he's not Sushi but the evidence to prove that he is. Toshi would be so abundant as so numerous that he would absolutely have no issue presenting it and Stan. He can't present any of the evidence. Supporting always gotta do is send one. Bitcoin from one of Toshi's wallets to one of his own wallace SAC. I did that the thing that would be tragic would be if the reason to Real Saito. She has not come forward and put an end to this nonsense is that he actually doesn't remember his key or password or something or he can't get in. That would be. That would be awkwardness. More or less. What CRAIG. Reid is is alleging which is not beyond realm of possibility right. You have an order to present. The he was ordered by the court to present the list of all addresses that belong to him proving that he was Sa- Toshi and he just copied the I sixty eight blocks of the blockchain and presented that and five of those blocks. 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Emoto might not be able to do that for example did what I did with a couple of wallets and lost the phone without having a proper backup. Well statistically not komodos original bitcoin Wallace would not be stored on a phone. Okay lots of computer that happens to. It does us to believe that the person who invented bitcoin would have had a backup. It's possible it's possible. The Todd Nice has an shoes A lot of times if somebody is a genius they will get so deep in what they're doing that they're not doing the regular maintenance now. I'm not saying that Craig right is Toshio. I'm just saying I've I've had a lot of really weird things. Go wrong. I think as C actual Saito. She is either dead or he's too wise to come forward. At this point nothing would be gained coming forward and saying oh no. I'm the real Santos she well. Something would be gained by him. Which is all that money? He's already got all that money. He's got more bitcoin than anyone else in the world. How do you I mean doesn't the genesis contain like five billion bitcoin or something riding so there's only twenty three million total or yeah a lot of that came in the genesis block there aren't any trillions and a million. I didn't say anything about trillion. What was the number you said? Five billion billion so there will never be. There will never be which Bitcoin we're talking about PC at any rate He's he would have one million. Bitcoin is the the estimate that he would have based on early. That's correct that's what I saw all in that wallet or all in one single wallet or we don't want address. It's estimated so presumably as multiple addresses. I think there's one address. Scott a million in it like the first sixty three blocks of the bitcoin blockchain where all mind bisexual she knock. Komodo that would make sense so all of those rewards came to him and I think that I don't remember exactly what her or her or them or them or the CIA or the NSA or the American government. Whoever invented bitcoin because there is a bitcoin sounding patents from like the early ninety s? I think Produced by about a decentralized currency. Maybe somebody got the idea and has been floating around a long time. I mean I. I've had things like that. Cross my mind but then you get to the point where you say to yourself okay. So so how do I keep this? How do I keep the fakers from catching up and the answer is keep all the computers? An all of the world pumping as fast as they. Can you think yeah? Nobody's crazy enough to do that. You could I could. I could have been if not for a tragic cancer death and we're all his fouling from the billion dollar. Bitcoin lawsuits shows that the plaintiff's lawyers still don't believe right story and they they probably should. It says it would be very easily every time Craig. Rice says yes I can prove it and this is what is going to happen or this is what was supposed to happen. Or this is the person who can prove it. None of that stuff comes to fruition. See it's like oh well this person can prove that. I'm supposed to be doing this thing and this person just magically can't be found probably because they don't exist therefore Clinton got him. I suppose based on the documents provided by rights legal team expert analysis and the answers provided about the possibility of interrogating the bondage courier that may or may not exist now. This person was supposed to deliver into an encrypted file to crack writes. The keys needed to access the bitcoin belonging to David Climate and never delivered that in all likelihood because this this whole thing is fabricated out of Christ desire to seize this bitcoin from decline an estate half-million Bitcoin a lot. It wasn't why million. Usd worth one of my questions. If I interviewed him would be. Did you attempt to collect on bond? I because I would like to hear the proceedings that happened there. You know when when they I mean at some point. They're going to have to figure out. Where is this guy? Who is this guy? Where do you come from who who wrote his is You know who notarized as I D. I don't think he's a real person I think he's a figment of imagination. And that would be brought pretty quickly. If and and I can't line of questioning I think well they can't find the guy and he's like oh no he's an attorney. There's a lot of real people. I can't find. Yeah but he's dealing with five billion dollars worth of assets being on the line here. I can find a lot of people with five dollars on the line. You would think he can't be broke right. He was involved in Bitcoin and the early days so he's got to be doing all right. I had a sixteen bit Klein in twenty twelve but I had to Cash them in at sixteen dollars each to pay for my Legal Defense from felony. So somebody's probably saying rich. Rich pocket be poor and I managed in addition to suspend well Craig right would have had a lot more than I mean he would. He was involved a cryptocurrency in Bitcoin. Going back to two thousand eight so he would have had hundreds of Bitcoin at least at some point in his true possibly could have sold them. But I'm inclined to think he probably didn't sell all of them. Plus what's the Toshi? Nakamoto have invented bitcoin so much that he believed in it he went on to invent it and share it with the world and they go. Oh Yeah I'm going to sell all this stuff I created. That's what gets me. Heating might give. He didn't know that his key had been last to the genesis black. He might just mind it and throw it away. Programming experiment to him was not the same guy. But it wasn't. I mean the early newsletters from make it pretty clear that he was trying to take on the state and banking system. I mean it wasn't just an experiment. He wanted to change the world and did absolutely. Oh Yeah Oh yes. Whoever suppose she was even if he was you know run by the FBI and CIA and the and the first of evil? I think even if he was a committee I think he did an amazing thing for mankind. Even the NSA. I would agree because bitcoin led to the creation of things like Minero and hush and other privacy coins. That will give people privacy while being decentralized will help us to combat the eagles at the state why wars and US bombs and his taxes if I knew it was the NSA. I would say abandoned the code base but not the idea even then. I don't know because the code is open source now. So there's things you can do. Kernigan Ritchie rose zero. Three two eight three sixty one sixty. This is for work from home. Get paid and forward liberty all the same time. Free Talk Live is looking for account executives and appointment setters. If you've got a phone computer. Internet connectivity initiative and a belief of the Non Aggression Principle. You're qualified earn up to eighty five thousand dollars a year fulltime twenty five thousand dollars a year part time. Set your own hours work from home? 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Even though Minnesota side decrease in such crimes during the latest year on record authorities say many go on reported Mike Mohan hamlet new service according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated two hundred fifty thousand hate crimes each year and finally our Suzanne Potter reports have protested against citizenship laws in India are popping up across California and the US including rallies in La and San Francisco. Broken Down India's Citizenship Amendment Act which makes it easier for certain non Muslim refugees to become citizens because Siad with the California Coalition for India warrants. That anti-democratic ideas hold sway in some parts of the Indian American community. This ideology is here and it has taken roots. His ideology leaves in the Supreme Assi of one religion and to end the secular nature of India and converted into a new nation. Prime Minister Narendra. Modi has argued that his government does not target Muslims. I'm Suzanne Potter. More protests are planned for California including a Public Forum on the situation in India. Though it'd be held Monday at USC. I Mike Clifford from public do service. We are member listener supported Ron Line at public. Do Service Dot. Org You guys. It's Rick Ten. Ask All righty. Then thank you for that and welcome to another live edition of titillating sports. I'm humble host Rick tidwell coming to you from downtown San Francisco California which was not even on the blip of our consciousness two hundred and fifty years ago as a nation and I bring that up today because it is the two hundred fiftieth anniversary of the Boston massacre shout out crispus addicts former slave. Who became a free man and who bled for us and died when you think about the The Boston massacre and What it meant for this country and just for me honestly it would have been the stamp act when I turned. And what is he talking about? Stick WITH ME I. I'm pretty sure I would have been a loyalist because when you look at Sam Adams Sam. Adams was a terrorist. He was he would pull people out of their house. Set Their House on fire. Tarn feather them We call him a freedom fighter but honestly Sam Adams was a terrorist and I probably would have been against all that stuff but then when the stamp act came which was basically anything you do in your whole life. You have to get a stamp on it and it's going to be taxed. You went to the bathroom. Yeah you got to pay tax on that. Then I would've switched. I think but anyway. The regard widely regarded as the first person. Coal killed then basically the first person killed in our war of independence Christmas addicts and others there in Boston Massachusetts Shoutout as Americans two hundred and fifty years today on the show Atom Ray the comedian. We're GONNA have Eric Roberts the actor we're GONNA have coming up on the other side. 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Books called the film doesn't lie evaluating your life one play at a time and Jimmy thanks for being on the show for people who don't know you. You are a razorback back in the day. Now were you part of forty minutes of hell. Were you under the Sutton regime. When were you there? Yeah I was thinking Sutton regime with Joe Klein and they're a walker and Roberson back in the back in the eighties and then After coach Sutton left Kentucky I cooked for him at Kentucky and Oklahoma State now scattered in the NBA and twenty five years later. I'm still working to ESPN. So I've been all over the place with college basketball my career and Really appreciate you having me on. It's a great time of the year for College Basketball Fans and liquor in Arkansas right now and it's been a lot of my time in the. Sec had the FCC chairman next week so it's a great time man. Thank you for having me. Yeah well when the calendar turns to March we know it's really start time to wrap it up conference tournaments and of course of course marksman. Do you have just like a little blurb your your time up the road here. You spent some time at SAC. State right yeah. I sure did that was my first full time job out of college. I was a graduate assistant coach. Eddie Sutton Metro. I played at Arkansas. And then at the Sacramento State for one year and We're division to at that time we're getting ready to transition to division one a couple years later and Appalachian State in North Carolina's and sit into Kentucky and assistant coach and then Oklahoma state. So I love that. Part of the country my Nephew out there works for the San Francisco giants and that's a live in a good area. Magilla thirty sometimes. I look at the weather in Arkansas. Compared to what's going on out there all right. Let's talk about the book because this book just isn't Xs and OS. It's about what the thing I like. Is You stress making changes in your life? And it's like some people who think look it's too late for me to get on the straight and narrow I'm a lost cause and then you're saying Contrary right yeah absolutely I take the the analogy because we put so much value in watching the game film as a coach with our players and make all like they're the good and the bad is on that game on. That's where you really learn evaluate and that's where change occurs so. I'm taking viewers do that process in this book and then challenging them to stop and reflect and create space intentionally in their heart and their minds to think about change that they need that they need to make different topics that I talk about but thankfully we surrogate God. Who's never never too late man? He's never too late to make changes and and straighten your paths. Everyone looking at it so I have a lot of interesting stories in there from conversations with like she chefs. Get Duke and Roy Williams and all your line gus. Malzahn hit football coach at Auburn Mark. Few out there Aga- kind of set the stage for sports side of what we're talking about transition into. What does that mean for us in our day to day life so it was a very challenging book as I wrote it to my own heart my own reflection my own thoughts. I think it will do the same thing for readers gummer questions for Jimmy. Dykes his book. The film doesn't lies out now. Is I know sometimes religion or just this type of thing can be a hard sell. It's a very easy thing for people to take shots at and you look at you know. Tim. T-bone people pointed at him in laugh. And we're not godless country but you know the amount of people who go to church or temple or math or what have you. The the numbers are down. So when you say listen I'm not an evangelist. I'm just trying to help people here right absolutely. Let me say I mean. It's a common everyday guy that has been blessed with a pretty neat platform as I worked for. Espn traveled country. Although I've gotten to see and do But it's it's you know. This is a book about just pausing by yourself and reflecting on where. I am and how do I sit in with all this stuff going on around me and all this stuff coming at me and I think there's a real need for for that from just a normal guy like me? They struggle for the same as everybody else out there to at least stop and and reflect on it and look for change heart so That's that's that's that's who I am. That's who I've always been. I don't I don't hide behind my faith at all. I think it's important to but it out there and let people chew on it and digest how they want to. I do know it's a really easy read. Like I've already gotten feedback from a a ton of college football and basketball coaches already about in the book and it's very easy read because I wrote it. I don't use big herders It's an easy read but it's a challenging at times difficult. Read to really look at things. I'm talking about so They can go to my website coach. Jimmy Dykes Dot com and giving away a free trip to the final four in Atlanta. The two thousand twenty four Just for free but if you registered for the book and buy or if you buy the book then get more entries that John. Than just someone that doesn't but I just found it. Go to my website making. Look at that book as well get a little bit better. Feel for it It speaks to everyday people about everyday stuff is the best way to put it. I know you talk about what you call non-negotiables and There are times when people waiver. And they'll say you know well maybe for this price. I'll give up this or sell this down the river and for you. It's important to take a stand on a few things right. Yeah that that chapter on ink is titled Your Your non-negotiables negotiable. Because if it's a non negotiable and it's not. It shouldn't be negotiable and we all should have some of those things in our lives that we know we're going to stay between these two lines in this area. Whatever that is you and I know as I wrote that. Chapter I started thinking about. What are the non-negotiables in my life? And how am I really do? How am I doing as engage dad of teenage daughter right? Now in quality time I spend with her Than and all of us have multiple things that we say you know. This is a non negotiable with me and I go through a lot of those in the book But a non-negotiable is non-negotiable and it's I think those are good thoughts man. Good thanks to get in there and read and and challenge yourself and have room for self group and You know we serve a God. Wants to know US better than we even realize he wants to know if I know we can change our lives and our heart and Buchwald point readers right in that direction last question for you you know you think about today's Athlete and coaching them up the seventeen eighteen year old. What have you and and when I was playing sports in in the Eighties. We did what we told her. We got slapped. Basically not saying that was the right way but actually had a conversation a few years ago. Bob Stoops when he was at Oklahoma about social media. Don't press send and the ways that the it's just a different generation we've seen in baseball. You know Aaron Boone Brought in because Joe Girardi doesn't understand snapchat or I don't know what's going on. What how do you Change Your Way of coaching to the athlete today or is it really not as big a change as we might think though? It's a huge change you. That is a relationship number one job description for coats. These days is to meet those student athletes on their level where they are they have so much stuff coming out and just like we do and working people. Dad's mom whatever. Yeah same stuff coming in every day you gotTa Get. GotTa get into their heart. You gotta get into where they live. You gotta get into speak their language and once you do that then men that love and trust is almost unbreakable when a coach and player connect like that but it takes work. It takes intention. It takes on purpose planning your day to do it and my book talks about those same things with US Lake Up. What's our plan like? We just driven tossed by the wind or do we have no specific. We're going to try to adhere to every day but that relationship with coaches and players now is completely change. I'm with you. I played for Eddie Sutton New Hall of fame coach. But it was. It was one voice was never questioned and they was. There was a lot of far tough. Love don't Addis and we just accepted it and that and that's how it was and I love playing for coach but now it's a it's a relationship driven They have to know you. Love them and you have to show him that time and time and time again With with a firm hand with a loving man and the best right now doing that very interesting by the way great reviews for the book so far like this quote from Rick Barnes he says Jimmy masterfully communicates the importance of evaluating where you are in crucial areas of Your Life. We've been speaking with. Jimmy Dykes from ESPN. The film doesn't lie evaluating Your Life. One play that time a new book out now from triumph books go to trump books dot com. Check it out. And wherever books are sold Jimmy. Congratulations on the The effort and let's catch up on your next one man. Yeah thank you so much for having me on all right good stuff. I'm Rick Tuttle. We'll come on back on ballot. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. 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All right thank you for that. Welcome back to the show. We're just getting started. We got a really big shoot today. Assize Nineteen Shaquille. O'neal coming up in the next segment. Eric Roberts David Letterman always said Eric Roberts. He's a little bit nuts. We'll see about that if you've been watching spring training is talking about this with Dominic. There have been some players who've been miked up like you heard Anthony. Rizzo say somebody. Bang for me Well Pete Alonzo the young slugger for the mats. He was Miked up yesterday in a game down in Port. Saint Lucie against the cards and in the first inning. He showed off his broadcasting Chops he did a breakdown of mets catcher Rene Rivera's Pickoff of Cardinals Tommy Edmund at second and he also did an evaluation of a full at-bat which resulted in a rbi single to give them. That's the first run of the game and he said I looked really stupid swinging at that first slider now Alonzo went to first base shared a tidbit about his dog's name and The apparently his name is brody. Like Brodie van wagon and Alonzo and his Fiance who's a patriots fan? They adopted the dog and she wanted to name it Brady. After of course Tom Brady but then they went for brody and so Mic`ED UP COUPLE OF SLIP. Ups dropped one. F Bomb and Alonzo is obviously not the first one to wear it. I said Rizzo Kris. Bryant was wearing one as well and Alonzo talked about it with reporters after the game. He said I think it's fun to actually share kind of like live almost the stream of consciousness type of deal going on. It's interesting for sure I had a good time. The guys up in the booth were great. I think they had a fun time as well while remember. Lonzo won the home run Derby last year and He said that if you might me up During the You know the All Star game the home run Derby. He says that you can actually do it to me. During Games in the regular season if you want and he thinks that technology will help grow the game. Well we would all love it. I think we all know the show miked up in the NFL. Which is after the fact. I mean that's much better than having a coach running off the field and then reporter going coach. What went wrong. The first half. We couldn't get any run game going. What do you do in the second half? We're GONNA try and get the run game you on K. Thanks coach or the the thing that always makes me laugh and I don't know who watches it because I can't but it's those NFL shows on CBS or Fox. Or there's like five People Bill Coward Terry Bradshaw Curt Menefee Howie long in Jimmy Johnson. And they have a the comeback. All right we have thirty five minute segment with six guys coach. Go ahead got around the ball. More how we play defense better. You Know Terri. I'll throw that ball. Ow Dare I'd much rather have people mic`ed up. That is interesting to me. Because that's the one thing that we don't know and I use this. As an example we can see if the pitcher left a fat one over the dish we can see if a guy jumped on it and raked it in the left field for a hit. But we don't know what they're saying at first base when the first basements like Mama and the runners like taking office banning going. Yeah but usually that I even looking at each other's blood D- Then the guy gets his lead first baseman gets into a crouch getting ready for the Throne First Baseman Blah Blah Blah Blah and. The runners like. Yeah they sang Mike them up my them up. Lock her up Mike. Them Mike them up why not. I think that's way more fun and are you talking about you. Know you see that girl on the fifth row. Las Not very twenty twenty. You can't notice girls for their looks like that that wouldn't go over very well but I think usually what they say. Is You know those super friendly first baseman. Nice Hitman and the guy's like. Oh thanks guys. I got lucky Texas leaguer. Better reluctant and get it. Makes up for that Atom Ball. I hit scorched that right on the screws but went right to the left fielder things equal out. Do they hold on? I gotTa get answer that I don't know I never played in the big leagues. The highest I got was high school baseball and I didn't have a lot of conversation. I didn't play first base but when I got a hit I don't ever remember saying one word to a first baseman. Then we weren't pros. We weren't a union together. Have the same agent knew each other coming up that type of thing. Now when I worked for a sports channel excuse me which became prime briefly and then Fox Sports. It's now on its fifth interaction in called. Csm Now it's called NBC Sports Bay area. It's the same company on its fifth name think. At and T. parkside a lot of names. They're only on their fourth name. They had packed shack. Sbc AT and T. Oracle during their twentieth year by the way four names twenty years Hashtag quoted. Now though we're doing a CAL baseball game cowl had a longtime coach name Bob Milano and one of my very good friends played baseball for Bob. Milano ended up getting drafted by the The brewers and Got As far as the colleague Stockton ports back then. The brewers affiliate member sure Rookie short season up in Helena. Bunch of people went up. I was working. Wish I'd gone then a good old time. He hit a home run anyway. Bob Milano knew he was miked up for this game and it was live and he went to the mound and he's talking to the pitcher and he goes. You said that runner at second base. Yeah forget him that guy sitting on a toilet all right. Would you look at a guy sitting on a toilet now? We'll get to that guy is and I'm like. Oh my gosh this is gold gold. My friend got married. Coach came to the Bachelor Party to like smoked a cigar for about a half hour and then he loved Nevis Shenanigan but anyway coach Milano goes out and some pitcher was getting rocked and he was Kinda Sassy and oh did the F. bombs drop like a B. Fifty two s bom see bombs whatever new bomb Kirk Turk. They were all and the great thing is he had a you know an RF pack on his radio frequency pack on his belt. He knew he had a law on a lavender. Microphone KC microphone. He knew he was miked. Any didn't care. And he went out there and he swore up a storm even though he knew he was representing the University of California and the Golden Bear Baseball Program. He was GONNA be himself. I remember in the H. All Star game back in the ninety s when I was working at for Fox sports at least on the Technical Director Side Day decided to my couple of goalies number Marty. Turco with the stars who I never cared for. Because he played for the stars but he was cracking me up because while they're playing just self deprecating humor and then all of a sudden there was a break away and he goes hold on. I gotTA stop this. He stopped his shot. He leg winged it out to the You know pass the first line got it out of his own he goes anyway. What was I talking about? I thought that that's awesome. You're being miked wire now. Of course you can't do it when it really matters right or can you. I mean we listen. We have shotgun microphones. We have I mean going back to the nineteen forties. We've had microphones that can pick up what you're saying you know. Nixon. They were wearing. They had listening. Devices at Watergate and wigs. There is that norm McDonald Nixon. Bit Anyway Pete. Alonso said you know what go ahead Mike me up. And I'm all for it on the other side Eric Roberts. I'm rick to come about. How come they found a true love? I wanted I just live. You don't have to wait for amazing. 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Don't ask Rick Tidwell to bring it because it already done got Bra all right. Welcome back to the show with you. Coast to coast around the world on American Forces Radio Network. It's our pleasure to welcome actor Eric Roberts to this show and We'll talk about Some of the highlights of his career. But he's here to talk about the rocket which is a A new device from launch medical using sound waves therapy to help people with E. D. Eric. I remember when I was in college. My Friend's dad used to always say I ain't got any lead in my pencil and then we all kind of laughed but when you think about it apparently a when you get over the age of forty. It's it's a prevalent problem isn't it? We're good morning great to be here. Thanks for having me apparently I'm over sixty and I get to have an issue. Not that I'm bragging. Apparently what it is. It's very mechanical. Medicinal thing you get plaque in your situation that stops the the blood flow from being fluid and stops the blood flow from from getting into your appendage Jamaica no way you want it and And this is is a is a really cool medical device that works is drug free and and what I got involved is very dear friend of mine. He's a business partner of mine. John Hopkins. He comes to me goes. Try this thing I said. I don't have that problem because it doesn't matter. Try It anyway so I tried it once and I from it and I said Yeah a little like John. What about it? He does great I said Yeah but I don't have an issue. So so I just you know Blah Blah Blah. He goes tell everybody works. If you believe it works so I tried it again and again. And it always worked so I'm here to say the John's medicinal free the remedy worse well. And that's the thing if someone's listening to like yeah I got I got the little blue pill but those are just temporary and expensive DIOS. This is this thing cures you right well. Apparently so I don't I don't have plaque apparently yet but But it is a thing that everybody will and does get so so you know It's an issue and this directly and the the only thing that I told John I said I will not be paid spokesman for EDU product. John I'm sorry I just can't do it. Embarrasses me in John said done so that's easy to remedy? I won't pay you. So that's how I got here buddy. Well a lot of people say yeah. That's GONNA be ten grand and you're like no no no affordable right. Yeah you know what you got about this product is it is. I think it's like six seven hundred bucks. I don't even know the cost of it but it's less than a thousand bucks and And it's it's something that you'll always have. Well you know talking about your career. I was in college when runaway train came out and that was the first time because I wasn't a soap opera guy but that was the first time I I saw you. And you were very memorable because you know you're playing the kid. Bach the boxer and you were kind of a freaky guy but we kind of rooted for you as well that's That a lot of people like that role didn't they? Yeah he was he was he was a likable mistake. Buck was Was he he meant well but he didn't never do well like he was. He was in jail for statutory rape. Because what I thought is eighteen. And he was just he was just a a A very likable mess and he got hooked up with a very dangerous man and had an adventure. Jon voight who played a real scumbag very well and that and I was just thinking. Do you have a few Co stars in your career. Where you're like man. I loved working with him or her John's one of them. I've I've pub got about a half dozen. John's one of them and I wanNA take some by Jon Voight in that Movie John. His six foot one or two and John. Away two hundred and sixty towns in that movie but he looks enormous because you were full body suit. That things did he kind of shelby. Yeah that's weird gyna- moving. He's a skinny poll man. He's a real actor. Did I love Jon? Voight is next so much. Recruited with Eric Roberts come more questions for Eric. You've done so many things over five hundred you know movies. Tv everything do you. Are you ever switching channels tonight and something comes on? And you're in it. And you literally have no recollection that you did not that no but but being made no matter where I go when I go a lot of places pretty much every day in my life no matter where I go I will turn on the TV and five foot long enough. I will find me so much fun down with metal movie so much fun. I still can't believe I'm famous. It is so much fun me every day. Did you like the and I remember when Letterman went to have you on. He would always say his word. You Know Eric Roberts.

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Eight seven seven three. Dp Show we say good morning to our radio partners. And of course those watching on youtube dot com slash the Dan. Patrick show those in the chat row with Tyler. The Monitor Taking care of you guys police in front of me for it see at home McLennan home. Seton at home. We'll get to. A poll question. Play the day stat of the day. All of that coming up sports world is starved for content. We know that Tom Brady delivered Wednesday in a big way. He's delivered a couple of days. Thank you Tom. I O Tom. Some of my paycheck there. He did a long wide ranging interview with Howard Stern and he wasn't quite as open as some guests. Are With Howard stern but for Tom Brady. Who hasn't said much in twenty years by comparison He was sort of an open book. There he talked about his problems in his marriage going to therapy dressed his friendship with donald trump discussed the role of race in the locker room for some people. It didn't go far enough but for others it was you know shockingly open if anything it was reminder that sometimes the superstars are just like us or at least a little bit like us. Brady complained about Wi fi in the house. He's running from Derrick jeeter and how difficult it can be balancing work and a marriage and Credit Howard stern and his interviewing skills. We'll see Tom Brady continues to be this open. As he takes on that new life after life in New England a couple things stood out. I didn't expect to hear much football wise because Tom is so adept at not telling you anything about Football Howard. You know we'll probably looked at that and let me see if I can do a drive by with some of these questions and then he probably got bored because he wasn't hearing anything that was really titillating then. He kind of homed in on who Tom Brady really is. And that's the family life you know. What was it like growing up? Did you smoke pot in high school? Did you drink? Then you start to talk about balancing your career and you have a wife. Who's one of the most famous women in the world and makes more money than you? And that's where you strike gold with something like this because Brady goes to these press conferences. He's interviewed every Monday on w. e. In Boston. He's interviewed by Jim Gray on Monday nights for the Monday night. Football on Westwood One. He's used to avoiding dodging downplaying football. Those questions because W E and Jim Gray. They're not going to be asking you about Giselle. But he's on with Howard Stern. That's what Howard Stern wants to ask you about. He's more interested in that because that interest him and as an interviewer you go to sweet spots that interest you no matter who. I have on their certain questions I have to ask. But then they're also things where where can I go and get something out of somebody whether it's Jerry West when he talks about his childhood and he talks about sleeping with the shotgun and the fact that he was going to kill his dad? That's more interesting basketball because that's life we we can admire somebody on the basketball floor baseball field or a football field but when they start talking about something that could be personal to us as well. We've lived in that moment. Where your father's abusing your mother and he's twelve years of age and he's got a shotgun and he's going to kill his dad. Dale earnhardt Jr. talking about his home burning down right in front of his eyes. And He's thinking I gotta go now live with my dad and what about my Christmas gifts. That's what I wanted to know less dramatic with Tom Brady. But he's talking about going to a marriage counselor with his wife and his wife is saying. Look the season just ended. And now you're going to go to a voluntary workout. You GotTa get home. I got kids here. And she's got a career as well but that's what I liked because they're just like everybody else those conversations I you know. I'm adamant that Giselle not try to sabotage. Tom's career but certainly tried to speed up the process to get him retired because a couple years ago when she went on the CBS morning show. She's the one that brought up concussions. Tom Is not brought him up now. He did have to address it. I think she was saying. Look we're done with this your legacy. Let's come home now. Now we have to have a life together and I really believe that she was trying to expedite that but you know Kudos to Howard to get him because once you get him he plays by your rules. They come into your studio there on your show. They play by your rules and Tom knew that could have been a little bit more open about his relationship with Donald Trump Org Colin Kaepernick and the impact that it had on the locker room around the NFL. Yes but I didn't go into this thinking. Tom Is going to spill that much. I was surprised he was doing it. I don't know if this is a new Tom. Brady the two interviews I've done. I've done three interviews with him one free. Espn the magazine. One prior to the Super Bowl with the eagles and one where he was on the show after he won a super bowl but those are all football related although ESPN. The magazine was a little bit more fun questions not necessarily XS and Os with football and even the interview. I did with him at the Super Bowl. Prior to the Eagles match up I did try to delve into the whole Brady Bella check relationship and it's one of those answers that I'm always going to think of when I think Tom Brady just because I'm looking at him and saying do you think you and bill will ever open up the scrapbook and take a trip down memory lane and he looked at me like are you crazy. And he goes no in like of all the things Brady has ever said. That will stay with me for the rest of my life when you say hey brady and Belichick and I always think of no like that. Answer is just like he laughed. He's gotTa be kidding me. That's not what bill does but Brady did talk about his legacy on the Howard Stern show. This is courtesy of Sirius. Xm And this is what he had to say. I never cared about legacy I could give about. That's never I never once in high school said man. I can't wait for my what my football legacy looks like. I mean that's a very it's just not me. That's not my personality. So why would I choose a different place? It's because it was just time. I don't know what to say other than that like. I had done everything I accomplished everything I could. In two decades with incredible organization incredible group of people in that will never change and no one can ever take that away from me. No one can ever take those experience or super bowl championships away from us. They're too busy playing. Sometimes we worry about legacies. How many times do you hear this? I I'm even guilty of this. Oh Gosh I wish he would have retired a year earlier. It's their careers. If Tom Brady wants to play he's forty five. Great Michael Jordan. I saw Jerry. Stackhouse says I wish Michael hadn't come back to play with us with the Washington Wizards Okay but for Michael was important but it was also important to become part owner of that team. It was important for the business side of Michael Jordan. And if Tom Brady wants to play drew brees wants to play. You know peyton manning at the end of his career. I didn't want to see him play another year in. I SORTA got through that year. You win a super bowl and then you're done you know there's certain players where you just go. I'd rather not remember you that way. But that's me being selfish. I hope Brady plays two more years three more years because my buckner is of course are GonNa make the playoffs and they're going to bring back the cream cycles so then it comes back to me. This is about my memories here but Brady good for him if he's fine with the legacy and this doesn't do anything to this can add to his legacy. This does not subtract from his legacy. It does not in my opinion if he doesn't make the playoffs the next two years. And he's an average quarterback. I don't think we're going to go. Yeah but the buccaneer member when he went to Tampa Bay. When somebody goes out. Johnny united with the chargers or Joe Name it with the Rams. I like how we say. We don't remember that but we always bring it up. Does anybody know what stats they had? We just know that they went there and they weren't that good but the charger years for Johnny United here. Is Tom Brady talking about his loyalty with bill. Belichick and vice versa. I think he has a lot of loyalty. And I think he and I had a lot of conversations that nobody's ever been privy to and nor should they be that so many wrong assumptions were made about our relationship or about how he felt about me. I know genuinely how you feel about I also love this. This is one where Brady realized in. Tom's dad gave us a heads up on this a couple years ago. He said at some point. And I'm paraphrasing Bella. Check will move on from Tom like he does everybody else and I remember when we were going through this whole process. I said always remember to Bella check. It's business to Brady. It's personal it's always personal with the employee. The employer has to make a business. Here is what he had to say about. Bella check being Bella check. I'm not going to respond to every rumor or assumption. That's made other than what his responsibility as coaches to try to get the best player for the team not only in the short term but in the long term as well so what I could control is trying to be the best I could be in both of those situations also so I got into unchartered territory as an athlete because I started to break the mold of what you know so many other athletes had experience. I got to a point where I was old. I was an older athlete and he started to plan for the future. Which is what his responsibility is. And I don't fault them for that. I mean that's what he should be doing. That's what every coach should be doing also understand Brady benefited from this style. That bell check had that you could get rid of players. They're interchangeable except for Brady. He was the constant. Bill didn't discriminate. He'd get rid of young and old all pro future hall of Famer or a guy who was just hanging he had. He didn't care he he's a businessman. We get caught up in. Oh Gosh you must have a great relationship all the memories. He got rid of all of them. Troy Brown lawyer Malloy. Run DOWN The list Richard Seymour. He didn't care it's like this is business in our minds. Brady was telling us before last year when he sold his house and when his trainer partner put up his houses well he was saying. This is my last year. We just didn't want to believe it somehow. Rex Ryan got involved in. This conversation is only rex. Ryan can. Who's now retired? He works for the mothership. The conversation was I guess who is more important for the success. Who would you rather have you know Brady or Belichick and we mentioned this yesterday. You know who's more responsible for the success of the Patriots and to me? It's a no brainer. It's ballot then. Rex Ryan got involved in this wreck. Said if I've got to take one I'm taking Brady Ryan said he would have won a trophy case full of Lombardi's if he had been coaching a quarterback who's greatest Brady and although Ryan about that called Bella. Check the best of all time. He added that he doesn't think Bella check would have done as well if he would have been stuck with. A bad quarterback like say Gino Smith who Ryan coached in his last two years with the jets. Racks goes on to say. Let's give him somebody else. Let's give him Gino Smith. Let's give him whoever and let's see. How many super bowls he would have won. We saw the answer was zero in Cleveland Rex. Rex can be a clown sometimes. Didn't racks draft Gino Smith? So you're right bill. Bell check would not have won the super bowls which you know Smith but bill. Belichick wouldn't drafted Gino Smith and gave him the keys to his offense there so I mean Brady was a sixth round pick. He was picked number one ninety nine. I mean he found somebody. Rex took Gino Smith and I feel bad for Gina. Smith gets brought back into this. He did call REX's snake. But you know. Here's REX's had quite a couple of weeks here. You know what he called. Amari Cooper and Now bring a Gino Smith into this and the fact that Bella check didn't win in Cleveland therefore proves that it's all about Tom Brady. Bill could have won a super bowl. I think with a couple other quarterbacks in there as well but he probably would have been smart enough to say. Gino Smith probably not the quarterback that we want. Yes mclovin good morning. Good morning so you know. Espn are they going to promote the heck OUTTA REX RYAN COMING WEEKS? He's on this role. They must love this. Yeah I mean he's doing what he's supposed to do. I mean this would wreck. Did as a coach I mean. He's he's sort of the the key a coach who's bought into the skip bayless playbook. I mean save things. Put It out there. Who cares if you need to back it up with any stats or something? But REX's creating headlines and that's what they want absolutely factually. I have some issues with that. But that's okay. Don't worry about that. Have some fun and throw it out there all right. We'll get some poll question suggestions here. What are you leaning towards mclovin? By the way the masters would have been started. It would've started already today. And we'll talk to gymnast so Jim Nance was going to have the national title game. And then he was going to have the masters back-to-back biggest events that you can have and what. He's doing quarantined. Although I will say if I'm quarantine where Jim lives I'd be okay. I'm okay I would be fine with that. Mclovin poll question wise okay. We have a scorcher. But I'm going to ask you a question I do and you actually comment on. This do really believe Tom Brady when he says he doesn't care about. His legacy is a lot of people are skeptical. I think he knows it's firmly established. I don't think he can hurt it now. I don't know if he's ever cared about his legacy. I would say I doubt that when he won that Fourth Super Bowl. I have to believe he's thinking if I get to five now all of a sudden I've got more than my childhood idol. Joe Montana so do I think that that he had that yes now? The debate is over. So maybe he doesn't think about his legacy but when he won his fourth. I have to believe he's thinking if I win my fifth. I mean we're talking about that with you. Know Koby going after Jordan with Lebron going after Jordan I think they think of their legacies and I feel like Brady is the same as those guys. You get to that point where you know now you you. Can't you know I've ended the debate and I think that's what Tom did when he won his fifth. And if he is thinking about it he must be thinking. There's upside in Tampa Bay. If I get a ring in the next two years with Tampa Bay without my old coach with Bruce Arians then people when they say who was it who was the main communist he would go scoreboard all. It'll definitely change. The conversation would say but I hate using that word narrative it change the conversation where you go hey. Tom went to a super bowl with Tampa and is gonNA go back to the super bowl anytime soon. Who GOES TO A super bowl? I between those two this program brought to you by legalzoom. Legalzoom has made it easier to set up the right estate plan without leaving your home. Take care of your family today. The right of State Planet LEGALZOOM DOT COM. All right mclovin. What what. What other options? We all love this fall. We were debating appreciate you. Want me to say it. Now you're gonNA save it because I'm GonNa take a break and it's that hot I don. We'll come back with Ernie Johnson on loan from TNT. Your phone calls are welcome. And Jack Nicklaus coming up. The top next hour also talked to Jim Nance who will join US and Dr Myron. Rolle the former. Nfl defensive back take a break. Nineteen after the hour just getting started on this Thursday dan in the damaged. Patrick show all right mclovin. What are you going with okay? Would you rather be a doctor or professional athlete? This is off our upcoming guests. Dr Mayer Enroll former standout defensive back Florida state. Nfl Player. So would you rather your kid sorry? Be a doctor or a pro athlete. When I want my kid to be publicly I would say well doctor. Of course they give back to the community and they could change lives and save lives. But then there's part of me it'd be like probably an athlete because I have four kids and nobody's athletic. I'd I'd probably say you know what if there's second baseman for the Detroit Tigers for eleven years. I'll take that I'd be good with anyb- anybody else joining me with the athletes. Yes mclovin well second baseman for Detroit. Tire Day probably two hundred million baseball salaries crazy especially anyone up the middle of the field. Forget it I don't think it's even close like athletes are like today's Society's God's there's nothing that's even close and job out there. Anybody taking doctor. Yes I got to qualify this podiatrist versus the starter for the cubs. No no you're not a high profile athlete. I'm this my kids. The second Baseman for the Tigers Bears quarterback or a proctology bears quarterback. Actually I would want. They're both the same. Both your apple jobs Seton O'connor so do we just qualify it them by saying set. Take salary out of it. And everybody's making three hundred grand a year me. I think I got to include this hour. You did. Yeah Yeah Athlete. Yes todd. I'm going to go DR matches. I'd love to see my son and pro team and all that and I'll be excited to go to a stadium or arena watched There's just something about being able to say that your son or daughter is a doctor that would mean more to me than being good good or great athletes so that'd be just another doctor you wouldn't listen to no no that's not necessarily visit. Though it is necessary. I could be better. I could do better about that. That's always todd's response. Hey you working out. We could be better. I don't know who we is. You've got amounts in your pocket. I'll go on the treadmill before chicken parm here with Fritos at doesn't work. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch us. Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F. S are do you own or rent your home. 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Gay p. m. a. About as well as You can expect and I hope you're doing well to we're doing okay. Do you have a man cave at the home? I have an office. I don't really call it a man cave it's It is an office that has you know the TV and has my my work stuff in there and the memorabilia and that kind of thing. But I I just usually spend a lot of night. You know late nights in there when I'm doing research in that kind of thing homework and when everybody's asleep but Yeah it's not it's not a full blown man. Cave people can walk past it all the time. It's GONNA walk and grandkids can walk in dogs walking him so the key. It's my version do collect sports memorabilia. Not you know not intentionally really. It's Kinda crazy I I have a lot of stuff through the years and I don't know if you do the same thing but you know I'll I'll throw something in a box credential in a box you know through various things and and the other day or actually over the last few months My wife and I have kind of said you need. She said you need to get rid of some of this stuff. It's in the basement or and so we have a room. That's kind set aside now and I went through with the other day when I was amazed at some of the things that I kept. Then you know I was started in the radio back in the seventies and in nineteen seventy seven. I was working a Q. One Oh five radio and happens and I actually kept a desk. Calendar one of those the flip over pages and I in a balk at the bottom of a box. Was this desk calendar so I started looking through it and then I needed to call Bill Kratzer immediately because bill was a great Golfer at the University of Georgia. I would later work with him. Twenty five years later on the PGA championship but it was not for this December Day. Who's going to be Bill Kratzer University of Georgia Golf Course and I needed and it was. It was just very bizarre. Was kind of like you know what it's kind of a good thing that you hold on some of this stuff I would. I've been able to throw some away but I do have some things that kind of have some meaning you know after after years in your. I can't throw stuff away. I mean that's why I have the man cave. I moved into a big man cave or bigger man cave. Just because I have all of this stuff that I collected and I I knew one day it might come in handy and it has because I I. I have a chance to show at all often. I I don't WanNa do when I retire because this is a I have the best man. Cave anybody has. Oh sure I'm sure it's crazy you don't you don't you. Don't what's ridiculous is that I come to this. I had this dilemma. I'm standing in the middle of my basement and I'm trying to decide if I should throw away. This goodwill games T SHIRT FROM RUSSIA. That has a bunch of mysterious. You know like coffee stains and dirt on it and I'm saying well I can't really hang up I don't WanNa people do but I can't really throw it a wing either so it's a marriage back in the box and it's hidden from my wife's or why don't you film this. Ernie. Why don't you wanted to do a kind of a virtual tour of all the things that you might be throwing out? I thought about doing that. I've thought about going down into the because really I ha I now have like these two rooms have the office upstairs and I have this place in the basement downstairs room that we finished where I have hung a few things You know and got CAL Ripken Jersey down there. And I've got a few other things in hats from various events and memos that were. I've had I have memos from Turner in the eighties. You know that I've that I've held onto and There's just part of me says don't let go of that And so yeah it would kind of be it would kind of be a fun virtual tour like these days. We're all looking for fun. Virtual things to do what we absolutely Ernie Johnson Turner sports host and host of inside the NBA. What do you miss most about shack? his laugh probably in the in the joy he gets out of From one of the work and trying to do something that gets two billion new to this I think I think that's probably but you know I kind of miss them often same reason. I miss him and Kenny. And Charles offer that same reason that we just have this kind of this. I can't describe the bond we have but I told people that I grew up with two older sisters. And this is just goes. I'll ever come to having brothers and I just miss hanging away. The man you know. It's like You just miss the little things about being together and doing and doing the show and you miss live. You know the two fifteen comments about you know from Kenny. You know threatening the producer sent. We'd better hurry up these last few segments. I gotTA GET. Outta here fifteen in the morning and all that stuff. If I would've told you a month ago this is where we would be with the NBA. What would you have said I think I would`ve. I would've believed that at that point. I mean 'cause it really has been you know it's been a month That night that that the window games for the first time in the night after the the suspension and we had Adam silver on the show and just the vibe that we got from him in talking to him Was You know. Hey this is this is a great unknown and we just kind of have to wait and so I never thought at that point that. Hey maybe in a couple of weeks things it'd be back to normal But then when I spoke to in earlier this week again we had a we had this initiative called Hashtag. Nba Together In which we You know we just kind of catch up to people around the NBA might spend fifteen twenty my spend a half hour with them on the phone and and I asked him that same thing. I said that you know any more than we knew when we spoke a month ago. And he's like not really. I know enough to say that I that. We're not gonNA have any kind of a decision in April about where we're going and So yeah it's I just I just hope. We're all coping the right way and you know. What can I be totally honest with you? I've been okay I I've been inconvenienced. I can say that book There are people out there who really really struggling. During this time we've been inconvenienced by schedule is still able to work from my house. You know to do these interviews to do like a virtual journalism school food for college kids and and and you know we're doing okay. But man my heart goes out to those folks who were who were hoping that you know of. GonNa later shows up and face masks. Show up Man It's this is. This is very hard. I was watching. I watched that'd be contagion the other night I myself. I wasn't going to do it. The neighbor said you should watch it. And it's amazing. How this two thousand eleven movie mirrors. Wh what we're looking at now with respect you can go see Ernie interviewing some of the biggest names in the NBA on episodes of Hashtag NBA together Mondays and Wednesdays visit at NBA handle and social media co host of the steam room. Podcast with Charles. Barkley also Ernie has his journalism school. And you can find out more at Turner Sports. Ej thought about you yesterday. We had hank Aaron on and you know the anniversary of him breaking babe. Ruth's record and he he was one of my just one of my favorite people. He's eighty six years of age and and I thought of your father to you know longtime broadcaster for the braves and then I thought Craig Sager figures on the damn field at home plate with a white trench coat. And I'm going only Sager could do it and I think he has his a little portable radio microphone that he's holding up as it still so sue surrealistic where two guys run on the field. Hank is trying to keep is dignity rounding third heading for home. And there's Craig Sager chasing him to home plate ripple same hair insistent segler went wire-to-wire with that he went wire-to-wire. Yeah you'd never you'd never change and that it was and it is amazing to consider that because when you think about these days and and and obviously how tight security is. A guy could run out with that trench coat with a radio shack tape recorder no visible credential and that haircut and speak with Hank Aaron as he touches. Place is absolutely stunning. Did they did the hammer remember right in that. In that scene at the plate he said one of the guys who came onto the field became a doctor. He remembered his holding on tightly. I didn't bring up Sager but I'm sure hank probably wondering I got all my teammates out here my mom and some dude in a bad haircut in a trenchcoat exactly right but I think I think Craig actually did get like usable couple of seconds out of that from from hearing the playback later. 'cause you hear his question unreal and then you hear like you know people you know kind of going crazy around him but that was eggs you know. That was the guy who's like if there was a big event anywhere he wanted to be there even if we weren't covering it and back then he was a radio guy in Florida somewhere. Yeah would go who who had gone up there too. I'M GONNA cover this game but who knew that? This is designs where it's actually you know. Read Henry twice. It was it was bad as one of the that was one of the classic. It's almost like if you were watching a movie where a guy was dreaming about. He wishes he wished he had been at at the ballpark. When Henry or at seven fifteen and then he envisioned himself as this but real life deal for Sake Mad I. It's again I shake my head and it just brings a smile on my face. 'cause that's the way that's the way things went after it man. You know you didn't have to be an assignment. Like for tour for him to be a big event. Oh he just loved it he he truly loved going to those events. I'll leave you with this. At what where? Do you think we're going to get to where we're at the point of no return with trying to squeeze in playoffs here with this season. You gotTa feel for that. I don't know I tried to. I tried to get that try to get you know really kind of any kind of a timeline from the commissioner the other day and it would probably be it'd be it'd be all speculation so I can. I don't either but I'm looking at it and I'm saying you know. Where do you know if you come back if you come back in In June and I don't know I mean. Can you finish the regular season? That's why there are so many variables. Can you finish the regular season and give a team like the Portland Trailblazers? That's number nine right now. A chance to move up to eight over fifteen games. I don't think you know and then you're saying how is this going to impact next season? You know then. Then how do you want so I'm not so I'm not trying to dodge about Amtrak? The dodgers 'cause I don't WanNa put something out there that Sunday people are saying. Oh I think he thinks it's going to start in June. I have no idea and I have been. I and I told the commissioner the other day I said look if you know. I've heard all these things about going to Vegas and having a tournament and all this stuff and quarantine into teams and I just said unless we can be absolutely certain and and every medical official has signed off on this instead. It's not GonNa be a you know a danger to anybody's help you. Better be sure because as long as there is the possibility there are worse things in the world and then not being able to crown a champion in the NBA. This year. You know Yeah I just think for the greater good. You've got to consider all that so I hope we'll back playing but man. There's there's a lot more. There's a lot more stuff to consider these days. It's that a lot heavier than that. The families great always great to talk to you. Thank you and Hopefully talk soon and have some basketball to talk about. Yeah we're doing well here. Hope you guys are too and We'll get through this and we'll we'll talk again and I'll maybe I'll give you a virtual tour of that room like I can't wait thank you. That's Ernie John talked. Tnt WE'LL take a break. Got Our play of the day coming up. Jack Nicklaus at the top of the hour and also check in with Jim Nance who will join us in the final hour of the program back after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. 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Custom Knife Maker Darrel Ralph DDR Knives  The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode #49)

The Knife Junkie Podcast

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Custom Knife Maker Darrel Ralph DDR Knives The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode #49)

"When you pick up one of my knives I want it to you know I want you to connect with it I don't want it to be another one you pick up that's okay I want you to have a connection Welcome to the knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of Knife News and information about knives and knife co expensive Emerson's you can get your hands on and they are spectacular knives I've had a few but they've always featured as Nick Shabazz would say the barely is upgrading their emerson design collaboration knives. I'm not talking about the Z. T.'s I'm talking about the Emerson's The inexpensive the most well I've reduced a few gotten rid of a few recently but I I dropped a little note in epic snuggle Bunnies DM on on instagram saying You mentioned isn't left my side it is such a cool and beautiful knife and it occurs to me epoch snuggle Bunnies Austin's reduce is my refined because this is slash three five in here that great interview with epoch snuggle bunny as Bob said on the reduce and refine kick going on there I was gonNA say rest assured would of the knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim Person and I'm Bob the knife Junkie DeMarco welcome to the podcast welcome to episode number forty nine of the knife Junkie podcast glad that you it's it's easier practiced in concept than in reality but I like the idea as it spreads across my life but I'm using my knife collection as as the metaphor you know this is one of my one of the better knives in my collection and and so I I assume he's moving onward and upward as as I am too so epic snuggle bunny on the podcast a couple of times in the last time he was on it was specifically to talk about his efforts to reduce and refine his knife collection. I like the concept me a picture of it still interested yeah you don't have to tease me anymore Yay yet so I received it this past Thursday I believe and certain kind of like the Emerson Gentleman I think gentleman Jim so they came out with that in d. two and now I see they're coming out with the Sikh you see four I mean you are with us today got a great show coming up for you got a good interview with Darryl Ralph coming up that we're gonNA chat about in just a second hear from him but pretty much as always being a good person as helping well and if you if you missed that episode by the way you can go to the knife junkie dot com slash thirty five then I'm Chunky Dot com into in a conversation that you wanted to get rid of the crossroads at some point and I wanted it that's the Riyadh crossroads designed by Kirby Lambert and a couple of last week he sent it's kind of the circle of life Jim playing out right here on the knife junkie is so nice of you to help him reduce his collection bob well you know that's part of you know you will see a video this week collection selection video of this knife this react crossroads it is well I won't Gush here I'll Gush in that the we gush last week won't do that again this pay a little bit of knife news before we get into the the interview yeah very happy to see that kershaw adequate or the barely inadequate eight CR Thirteen M. O. V. Steal from China they're replacing it with D. two and I think they started on the and we have to talk about a new knife for the knife junkie well you know I would be remiss if I didn't keep up with the Times so you know I've had accused C K four xl Yeah I think that's what it is it's the big four incher that they make that looks a lot of debate as to some of the sourcing of the D. to steal that's coming out of China but whatever I can't get that deep in the great knives and by the way I was at a county fair yesterday and I saw a an emerson in someone's pocket and Emerson Kershaw I I look at People's leads because there are too many knives to get into and to try but but yet so kershaw coming out with their Emerson's in D. Two it's a great move I think because the sun and the the battle between the the fight between Leonardo di Caprio the protagonist and Tom Hardy antagonised at the end the movie is insane it is so good people should just check it out for that it's a Tomahawk and knife fight of course I've never been in a Tomahawk knife fight shot all with natural light so it took him forever to make and out in the in the wilds and at the end of this movie it's a it's about roughly it's about a fur trapper looking for revenge for the a movie reference you WanNa talk about a movie watch last night which actually kind of ties into our interview today well a little bit yeah yeah I was up late last night couldn't sleep and in seven to those of the popular ten of the first ones that came out the Tanto and the and the clip point and I'm very happy to see that I personally love de to steal and I know there is a hyphen was used by for traders and trappers in the early early nineteenth century in late eighteenth centuries so those are the knives they use in this movie already stabbed a couple of times and they're flopping around with their with their Tomahawks in there and their knives and I won't tell you who wins but you know you can guess but it isn't it knife maker Darryl Ralph he's also the head of DDR knives a small handmade knife outfit out of Texas you might know him the way I know him from his yeah but if I were to be this is what I would imagine it to be it was sloppy it was brutal you know they're already cold and half frozen and pumped up with ADRENALIN CBS ads in the knife magazines and I think the first design of yours was the gun hammer that I saw and I know later on raising fight check it out and it and just watching and looking at the knives this movie's incredibly accurate as all Hollywood movie should be they use these turn on the TV and the revenue was on the Twenty Fifteen Alexandru Retu- movie Won An Oscar I I'm sure it wants several it was an amazing movie is a expendable knife and then from some other famous knife situations I've Seen Online Daryl thank you so much for coming on the knife Junkie podcast and welcome to the show it's GonNa Creep either but Clinton clips okay let's clarify that all right and they are very cool and very accurate and it just Well it kind of feeds into today because our guest today Darrell Ralph also has a very cool movie that's featured I mean a very cool knife that's featured in a in a movie that I like the expanded is how can you not like that it's like cut Hudson Bay knives condor knife and tool out of El Salvador makes it version That I have of the Hudson Bay knife it's kind of half chef's knife half Boeing at the end well that's a good lead end because as you said movie knives play a part in the interview that we're about to hear so buddy say we get in hinted bladed knife and POPs the pops the basketball and make some sort of smarmy comment and I was like where what is that what is that Oh well thank you very much bob appreciate his it's an honor to be here I wanted to tell you my first exposure to you was in the hand tech made the H. t. m. nine lines what's your what's your approach what angle do you do you come at a knife making well over the years it's kind of changed Kaiser took on that design at have done a bang-up job with it so the gun hammer was the first thing that wow that really caught my eye who is this guy and then the next time that works but my approach is I just I come up with a concept and then I use solid works nowadays I build models of everything we do one hundred percents and then we go right off the models they they work out really well when you say models are you talking about three D so paper was first and then always been a CNC guy since I was a kid applications engine engineering and all between them and they're looking at each other like two angry men who want to kill each other and then Jason Tatum pulls out this giant amazing beautiful I believe it was but I've always been a guy for form and function first and then add the beauty the knife has to work the blade handle ratio has to be right right the purpose of the knife the way it fits in your hand all of those things have to be right before I add the you know the cosmetics I I call it so basically into it let's do it ever stop a knife again even though it gets no real use save up to what you are you're a knife junkie I'm here with custom knife I gotta find that and so I did some research online and I was like Oh it's Daryl route so anyway daryl that's my long way of getting around to saying I've I've always kinda resonated with your narratives so were you were you at one time a pencil and paper Guy and then at some point saw the saw the value of cad yes add models basically yes sir three solid models of you know right hand left hand of handles of the lock bar the lock inserts all screws during a eagles all the best guys but if you haven't seen the revenue you gotta check it out and if you don't feel check it out check out the end like knives up were just they were phenomenal I was very lucky they were also hardcore so you know mistakes were not allowed shows up and one of those basketball player jerks just given his girlfriend a black guy and so of course he he kicks the guy's but and he's about to he has them on the ground and there's a basket really keyed into you as that expendable 's knife the scene where where the guy's playing basketball the a bunch of jerks are playing basketball and Jason Nathanson Oh my gosh you're nice enough to give him a break on the trigonometry at Hammer it through man do I tried to give him the little you're constantly pumping out product it's amazing that you do that with only five people well thank you appreciate it yeah knives being used for and and and that kind of thing I like a tool that everybody in Jerry but and I carry schools for my education I had some real good my teachers the guys that brought me including myself we have five people wow you your output is amazing for five people judging by Your instagram post it is you've got to be able to redirect code you've got to be able to add subtract numbers you know the trigonometry I can give you a break on that ad tracking come on man folks and it just we used to have to be able to do everything in her head Bob I mean we'd have to do geometry and camp a I use it all the time I mean that's just my knife I guess my heritage is where it all comes from my my viking little little things you know like one degree to a one inch equals so many thousands at the other side so that they understand that Oh trigonometry in our head and that's where to goodness that's the way it was these guys today not saying anything but you know they've been taught not all away it's all put together every every detail is there and we actually cut our cads right from all of our cad work is done right from the solids do that four-times sentences four times as many you know it's gets better as you go it gets better well how many guys do you have in your shop right now we have basically a dominator knife all the time and I use it for everything including hunting fishing cutting rope I use it when they just they don't how to count in their head they can't subtract and add so we have to find other ways to do it and then I make him do it I don't make him but I try to bring and CNC machining has been basically my whole life since I was twenty four went to school I think finger on but I also want when you pick up one of my nights I wanted to you know I want you to connect with it the mechanics have got to be perfect before can move forward you know in my tourist mind of the way thanks of course everybody has a you know a vision helps you to the fire made sure you were doing it was it was it was a terrific time because the guys that I trained today I still train all my own them into that folder that had them understand that you're going to get a lot better if you can do that you know it's something that's required when you're reading code that no one knows what and and I think that that that's where the weapons aspect comes from I really do I believe that it's kind of like in my soul or something I can't I can't put my that was a true fact Charlie Mike or Matt Freeman whichever one you are calling he was a hero he would call me from the sandbox back in the early a big fan of his and his videos and I understand CMF TWA he he had a Matt Freeman he for everyone else he had a couple of you as of requirements so that it it met many tests and all that we used to send those over to Matt and some other fellas like Jim Thousands on satellite he would call me and we were sat down and I'll I would send him over I used to make a in the world we got hooked up I don't remember it was an ad or something at left a phone number and he just called up and years went by and Matt good at it so you came to knives what about knives is it the weapon aspect is the tool aspect is both you know what what do you what do you see aw Norseman and my clan invaded Ireland and so kinda got a little bit of both of those and knives and in that didn't come out and till the last ten years or so but I really respected Matt I don't want it to be another one you pick up that's okay I want you to have a connection I guess that's where it all comes from just the belief in it and not stopping until him how other than them being the same basic format they look very different each one looks unique and and toiled over artistically and then also I connected with his genius he was he had a drive inside of him that had to be addressed as for making come back and he was tortured soul and he went he did some pretty crazy things but I also noticed I I four the special forces and for the Navy pilots it was called the eighteen x ray and it was a switchblade for the government it had all kinds listen and understand that you you you can love the good parts about someone and despise the other parts but you gotTa love him for who they are and at that personal connection I forgot to mention earlier another way that you came to the fore in my mind recently has been through CMU When you come back here you're just Ah Calm normal everyday person in that thrill is gone that pressure's gone and people don't understand that there's one I see you know that you post on Instagram for instance or that I see on your website each one looks unique obviously you might have to dominators that they're the same model but a lot of that and we talked a lot of times when at three in the morning he was not in good shape and I just tried to be good nasty things at vets come back with you know paranoia and d the thrill is gone there's no more everyday you don't have to get up and worry about being shot anymore ticked off on that for some goals he was setting and I thought that was amazing and he mentioned in the videos that he worked closely with you to to kind of come up with that that was a tree knives and they were very special to him I know one of them I believe was was an xt that had some inscriptions in it and it was it had some year yeah but it's interesting that you mentioned having a connection a two things come to mind immediately I is that each knife that he just loved it make a good knife I mean he was very very pure about it too awesome yeah and I loved how loved how he was devoted to the Chisel Grind and then Oh you made a great illustrating on a piece of leather how damaging Chisel grind amazing he he he had a big following you know people wanted everything he was doing it was fantastic and he he really cared about it that's what I love you worse going I made several knives in that vein for him and then one day he just called me up the Fed I've started making knives you get used to that you've got to have it so it's almost like an addiction so some guys covered up by self medicating and doing just outrageous things mad after he and his crew they were Black Hawk helicopter crew and FBI guys and stuff like that but matt would call me on the on the satellite phone and we it said talk for his whole time that he had and it was just a about this and that you know what it was just I think it was just comforting and I don't even know how take a knife didn't work out he treat wise bro he threw it threw it in the other in the corner you know started over that's that's you know that another person also in his shop a woman a woman knife maker would yes refreshing deaker Yup and his mother by the way folks he did a lot of things in his life he was American hero that's number one he came back and he had a he had all the I had made knives for a stallone through a knife art I would make knives and stallone will look my knives he we're truly one off I don't care if he made ten of they this none of the same yeah and he was just he was just phenomenal person he was also mentoring irving when he was not well and you know like a good mom does and so they're auctioning off make sure they go to good place for that for that kind of you know knife fighting system told me a little bit about the bengals knife I mentioned that before how did that get in he was speaking surely in the tactical sense. I mean I've been long a fan of Chisel blades but also you know that's that's awesome I mean so many so many nightmares don't do that kind of thing anymore nowadays it was very collectible knives in my opinion because they really and I was just I was floored but he started out very rudimentary and he just he he advanced to where he had a crowd of people follow him for his realizing how sharp there but also kind of wondering why people still did it in a way and then he cleared it up I I respected him a lot and his knives towards the end his mother they're still grabbing all his knives or going out there trying to find homes for 'em really somebody goes gets out there yeah just recently they are we just had a connection in Matt Scott finally he got cleaned for a couple years and he bought a couple of days with his his time Chinois off their auction off one at a time all the proceeds go to his mother his mother was his heart he loved his mom and she took care that movie is that something that you knew was going to happen I know sometimes people are blindsided Oh my God that's my knife in that movie did was this how did that work out for you either so cool okay so I just call that divine intervention I don't what else to call it it was just Right place right time yeah yeah but but aided with an I also have heard that stallone has a massive knife collection and for him to walk into a knife room and go right to your knife that that says something Oh so and when they were making the movie from what I understand Jason Statham he told Jason Statham go in the room pick whatever knife you want will use it in that scene even divine intervention and I ran a very spiritual person I believe in God we've been I'm a Christian I believe it was divine intervention I am and in you know his a mantras and signals and all of the insignias and everything he bought him so that he carry them every day to remind himself who he is did put it in the movie and then what we actually seen was not the knife it was rubber now what they do is they make rubber moles of every one of them for safety in their his actual carry noise so I thought that was very very awesome yeah well and and he electing here's your host Jim Person and Bob the knife junkie DeMarco Hello Knife Junkies and welcome to another episode funny very hilarious actually well so when Hollywood does that I'm just gonNA use Hollywood is a loose term do they contact you after towards the end was getting into Collie which I love and your your knives are I mean especially the amd in in my eyes personally perfect wasn't you in the right place at the right time it was your work which is in a way even better because it sells itself you're not they're like oh you should use it because of this and that it's there the guy resonate And the the last stroke that I heard on it was that the there's an auction house that auctions of movie props and art donate at all until the military that's the right thing to do yeah I think so so when did you get into like making flippers I I'm assuming and maybe this isn't the right thing the factors that just like them using a a nineteen eleven you know that they're not gonNA call Colton say like we used one of your guns and are moving today extend that courtesy or Nope they just use guests they auctioned off maybe about four years ago and that went out to auction and I guess all of the proceeds went to the military stallone for me to do but I'm assuming you started like many do with fixed blades but it seems that you really made your name with flippers did did you start with explains before I make that assumption I did it was it was such a great honor I people were calling me up said Jussi that knife and I it one night so don't even know what they were doing hi that my wife would by the night he'd say by that night and they get the knife he's got a room from what I understand with a huge collection of knives and I started with Cordray Tan tos drop points and I would take him to a show in Cincinnati Ohio it was basically a pocket knife jackknifed show that's what I call it and they had all the cases and bucks and Camilla's and all of those companies trade you know and that's what that whole show is bowed still only a certain amount of hardness involved there on the titanium and what I found out after I put tried that with butterfly knives which was another one of my passions started forging Damascus with Tim's Awada very famous knife maker. That's Kinda like underrated I guess he wants so many master smiths leads with gold inlays and and and diamonds and Ivories and pearls and Damascus all hand forged and you know that he just crazy bill McHenry guys probably never even heard of anymore but they were out there just making stuff that was just phenomenal in a two phrases then it was like a the beginning of the tactical phase and the switchblades got extremely hot I mean they were going for huge money carving in you know the war in the sides of Damascus and Just doing crazy crazy crazy stuff so I kind of Erin he he showed me how to make Damascus so I started making my own Damascus then I went into switchblades for about eight or nine years that's all we did as make switchable edged coming in that were very unique for that timeframe and so I'd go down there and set up I set up down there maybe four or five times I think altogether in that realm for a little while but it all come back to my CNC training and all that for all these years that I I love robotics I don't know what it is about it but thickly making a flipper with berries that I did on a patent in two thousand five for flipper with than awards at the Blade show he just going let let the other guys have a chance he's great he was great at it so he lived in Michigan and I I would run up there is what the timeframe required at that time that's what was very very popular right after the Jack knifed the the inner frame phase chain awesome and we sold quite a few of them and they were titanium folder with back then they called it I can't remember but it now it is back then you know and we were doing black coatings and doing pb and everything back in the nineties and I made switchblades Outta those also so that evolved into base rated making tactical knives and probably ninety six Come out with a knife called the crate and they was I come out with that with Less Rob Steal Right some folks were running on the titanium at that time in what would happen over time they would wear even if you use compression and put a group in their get aware point going it doesn't matter my bearing setups would just go to peace and say when last so I decided to put steel washer in there and then that took care of all that and then now everybody uses that super a provisional patent for one year in Oh five and that's kind of like the norm now and I just love the airings with a washer instead of writing on titanium instead of the Barings right on titanium as they do in some knives so it's like a like a metal St s Ninety v back then they called four twenty and they got rid of that name because it's too close to four twenty jackknifed still yeah yeah yeah but it was it was tough stuff and it surprised me I'd go down there set up and come back and on my nicer gone and I was like wow this is something to this flippers I mean it's like having a I also with a I forgot one step there with Camillus I helped him develop there assist you'll race that the that the yes okay what I do is put a pocket in it and then I put two steel washers then the bearings and then onto the blades so everything is hardened steel on her like an Italian switchblades spring instead of like a coil spring it was actually a spring bar like the Italian switchblades have right did opening system also there was three or four different trains of thought at that time there's Kenyon who was the king of course with Kershaw the companies like Kershaw who put out I don't know several thousand miles a year and a lot of them are assisted open that using that now allows for dude wearing flippers and have the same kind of effect that's kind of been the norm since then I've heard the argument that assisted opening systems now oh being made now you're now that ball bearings are kind of much more pedestrian or or available at much lower costs that using The CAMILLUS allowed to make him to and all that so man we just we just burned the mark of ours us like a was done a Lotta slop in the manufacturing process or at least in the in the action would you agree with that or is that just kind of haters Hayden it was something else I think with high out there and they they just worked really really well and that was pre precursor to the Bering flipper actually once we figured out you know we could yeah I don't look at it that way I think everything has a step on the ladder okay for us to get to the Bering we had to go through that step we had to go through don't really realize because so many guys come into the industry when they're twenty years old and then they don't understand what the history was to get there we come from a slip drop but as for the procession we actually made a ball bearing assisted opener pivot and it opens so could we made a few of them just to say we did man they open like a rocket and they were very very highly precise but the kershaw thing and all that stuff they don't you know the nylon is there teflon is not tough enough he played the center that kind of thing there was a lot of things that happened back then that Folkston bar yes we had a different whole different setup that oh they went back and forth valujet like all good warriors do and it ended up you know I mean we've come a long long way in this industry when I looked at my first Jack Knife I said man what is wrong with these people no no offense but man who the phosphorus bronze Washer step we had to go through the nylon strap step we had to go washer step where those open gray but they don't the blaze take take a look at a buck one ten liquor were carrying today I mean come on guys he'd think about how many how many evolutions are get to that point and and so many things get join or you're you're you're my GRANDPA's a yellow jacket case knife that you opened up and it was bang bang to to to to hits phenomenal but there's no real sense in it because the ball bearings are so you know the bearings opened the pivot police pretty sweet you don't have to do the and there was no way to open it with one hand or anything like that to a one hander to assisted open to bearing open to you know I even know lives are so opulent and Gorgeous and and really labored over you can tell and yet they are these bullishly no it's not very precise those pits are not the same as what we're using now they're they're they're about a step backward and but they're still very popular the offer a great value you know to that end of the market yeah they do they're very good at that that's a one of their fortes needed damn knife they go to Walmart and they buy one and action is great and the designs are great in the field is is excellent and some people really don't need anything more or desire Tanto in Damascus and it's got an incredible Mocha may handle and Well I have two two reactions the first is a question working for them and they're happy she oh yeah yeah and they have a huge clientele who who are you know buying knives who are not nice people they just needed the other My favorite though is Chad Nichols there's a good reason for that when Chad was coming up just starting to make Damascus him and I talked end the blade handle ratios were That that one buck knife so famous but had Lewis Getting Buck one ten as are you still forging all your Damascus is that something you can do you have the bandwidth to to do that a and b the materials you use are so and you got to look at the the eighty percents out there that by knives for you know ten dollars to one hundred bucks that's what you're GonNa get and if it's anything more than a seventeen dollar knife and for that man while I mean Kershaw I like their stuff from soup to nuts but near I mean there they ask is still no not anymore I leave that to the experts I buy a several types of Damascus and I'm not saying when guy does a better job I'd been doing it for ten years and him and I talked and I he would do things at that time that I asked him to do for me strong functional tools so it's kind of an interesting dichotomy any thoughts on what is Yam out do you make your own I used to put motors in them and open can't Paulo he used to put a motor in the pivot and have opened that way and that was hit big deal but I wanted that black stripe you seeing there is from his making mind with a little bit more nickel silver in it and then I could He had the time to do that he doesn't have the time to do that. That MOCHA may you're seeing right there on that thing is a favor I waited for it I said I don't want it so you're talking about forging your own Damascus and I happened to be looking right now to at a at a dominator that you posted somewhat recently it's when we Patina the nickel silver turns black or I'm sorry copper he put copper nickel silver in mind on a higher level than it did the brass and I quit I think about in the year two thousand and one and my it got so busy I couldn't do it anymore it's a labor of love ask if possible unless there's something unique they want I do have some bars Bob got five bars in the copper turns black and the nickel silver is silver and then the brass's that goldfish collar and that that combination looks like a Bengal tiger kind of look of these huge twists that I made before it quit and they've been sitting in my storage room and we've threatened to cut him several days being a bar ten times before it was done it was just not it was not it's no profit in it it was labor love I love it I still do and anybody else's I want yours Him and Mike Sack Meyer make the best as far as I'm concerned on the motive May But Chad did some things that Mocha may for me that aw yes I concur wholeheartedly dagger a dagger should be coming next I saw a picture of amd with a dagger blade and then when he does that that pattern it just kind of looks like a animal skin almost but as for me demand doing Damascus enemy no what I just can't do that anymore it's just it's not that I can do it I don't do it it's just there's I I've got to make a living it's like a truly aw those are those are the ones used to really kill me because I love that contrast so you gotta you gotTa hold onto those till the moment is is right yeah alliance team I mean that thing to me represents I mean look at that and I can tell this is a man who loves loves loves working with me and I train I try to train every one of them and I also dig in their creative young minds and serials like really high end exotic materials was at a special order is that something that you love to do and and to kind of produce that well I think they're all high nickel carbon Damascus and they'll turn out just like I'll have I'll gun bloom and they'll just look yeah I don't do it pretty soon you know they made they made it disappear with me it's like a that was like eighteen years ago I gotta get on we try to come up with new things and push ourselves cheap pushing I don't I just don't you know you can make this a Benza type knife tick it really is unless you want to do what Chad is done where he set up making stainless Damascus production type basis I shaped blades so I saw one that you produced a an xl version. I don't know if you do that I don't know if that was a one offer not but in your post you said that someone drove all the the associates I have working here now I I actually were more like a family but the thing that I like about him they're young a a HA moments per se and he makes some very nice pattern you know and in in stainless and I want my customers to have stainless and found a buyer how does that work that was a SPEC order one thing is you know I'm an old guy now and you know g original gangsters Ed that's what they call me and but they really mean old guy the the the the the people that I have of when you do you know doing it in a garage and I had a a mill and a surface grinder and I would be mailing and serfs and then when a knife is done it goes to him because he puts the laser etching and if it's not right he goes right to Kevin the shop supervisor and they say oh that's not live from California to blade show I think in Atlanta to shut up he flew in he actually fluid ruin just at knife then he flew back from what oh I don't WanNa put no fingers on that but Chris remakes one tank of a knife in it's just it's an iconic knife I want make tanks that's what the dominator was sa- tank with bearings and then I wanted to be able to add beauty to it but these young guys you know we we make nowadays and I like I said the creativity just it just these these guys have got it in their brain they get it you know and and that is very good at assembly and fit and finish in in that such and then I have another guy that is just the nit-picker you need one well he builds all of our pins and I don't know how that happened actually went through some people a few years back had some issues here with some bad blood default together I mean we we don't set and make a drawing of it different or anything like that you know it's more like a vision and I got some very talented people going to be that's the next level you know you reach you you you you play off each other you know and also gives me goals to make myself better going anywhere and we go backwards and we make it right make it perfect and then it goes out so I have I have a very good firewall Seta I just very lucky in that respect they they they wanna be knife makers they're not you just wanNA come and do the job they all love what they do one louis from having talented people around me who know things that I don't know and who come come at it from perspectives that I couldn't possibly come at it from and it's made me better a hand would be cut so it wasn't trick now okay Trivia so at the Moab the MOAB this John this giant cleaver the ball and get them done on a we've got a wire now so I can actually wire him out get wire uranium cut that center patch out make daggers out of it Manzana done well at it he does a good job and I can count on everything that he makes and that's that's why I like it there's no I don't have any and you know I gotta say God bless Christie fantastic guy you know he come up with the the frame lock all that kind of thing at least as far as I know what I've been told what I do so I mean are you are you saying that you're better as a you're better you've become a better knife maker now that you collaborate and and it I swear in the picture it looked like the back edge the top edge was sharp but it didn't look like it could actually fit in the handle so like we you know completely fit in the handle so that the stick psych are mere polishing blades that's an old art it's been around a long long time you know way way back in the seventies eighties didn't things and so I just wiped everything out started over and that's how we got to this point now which I think it's the best we've ever been in thirty years it's starting to roll again because really when you think about if you're going to collect a knife that's like the crow picking up something shiny beautiful it yet life and then we think about what could we do to make that better and we sat around we talk about a little bit let's say all right we're going to do it and and that's the way it basically loveless Mir polished all his big bears all those fighters and all that time and that Kinda died in the nineties and now it's being revived again we're starting to see diamond compound in a belt and it's just amazing so are you getting a lot of orders now four Polish blades on on your custom orders we get other people's ideas and incorporate them into yours oh absolutely oh yeah there's no doubt about it you know the old saying is you know if you're around somebody better than US I throw stuff out of these guys and I say look what do you think about this and you know and a week we've got ideas that we can do this we can do that we can do this we can do that you know and it's just fantastic different enough that I think that you know everybody has their own take on things and sometimes you just get a you know I like that it doesn't surprise me because I come from a very collaborative but creative field and really I benefit grade seventies and eighties that's was very popular with four forty see an ats thirty four they were mere polishing blades on you know the Inner Frame Jack Nine thank you for the kind comments about that knife by the way that's I gotta say there was a knife out there by a company called Rad our ad knives and He kind of brought that whole genre in and I think there were some people that had ideas similar to that but were it forges his own blades one of makes knives to hunt side one of them is just he's just a very very smart young man but that whole sacks shaped blade and then and then it sort of I think it was with Rad knives I mean I think I'm observing the same thing it sort of evolved or just notable if you do it right and now the technology we have is so better than we had before we have diamond compounds now where we can get sharp collector's on instagram and then I started noticing you know sheepdog knives and all these other big chunky cleaver blades coming out and they're very appealing to me aesthetically life works yeah see something so many times you know sometimes you've just gotTa throw it out of your brain you know and get it out there let's the zeitgeist ideas are out in the ether sorry for a while that big Moab you know once we did a mere Polish on one of those men that was this like oh my goodness had opened up a door there's people behind that door we did know her bluffing and they were rounded a little bit you know now you look at them you can get sharp lines because of the the compound out there that we can take them almost to Amir Polish with a he was a Black Hawk helicopter pilot master chief and he is sent him over one because he wanted I tried flying's on Mir Polish blades that are like cutting edges on the where the grinds meet the flat before they rounded over because they did a lot of buffing right right high in he he went through five years of hell and you know and he was over there rescuing and saving our lives hero so absolutely I never kind of what the value would be for me to have a big cleaver blade yeah I sent one to the fellow I mentioned before along with Charlie Mike His name is Jim Patrick much you know it's like having a Alexis and you look over in their say Honda that looks exactly like it is just that's just the way he's crew so they would all be safe and have the latest greatest switchblades and all that stuff but I sent one to him and you know he had the same kind of you know changed into sort of cleaver blade and then and then everybody know Rad knives was I was seeing them posted everywhere from my favorite have a any hesitation when he needs something I always try to help him he sent me flags back from over there and stuff like that because I'd send over eighteen x rays ebbs and you know Ron Lake all them guys bus Bussey and all them guys they were they were actually Mir polishing a lot of Wade's and some of the GRANDPA knives it was grandfather yeah it was and but along with that there was a new wave of custom nine not exactly sure how I would use them I mean I collect and I carry but you know I'm not I'm not out there camping a lot and I'm certainly not getting a knife fights so I always wonder do we get a lot of Mir Polish specimen butterfly knives Okay by butterflies want want to Mir Polish blades they really do because of the flash when it moves probably and I mean it's like for a while they're worn cliffs where were suddenly Oh my gosh there were rediscovered and and you as as Viking I'm sure appreciate that it does work out nice with that that Nice flat blade and then the right on the tip you can go right through a lot of things with it but as a functional tool in every day treat vets with the utmost respect and sometimes I just do things that most people think I'm insane for doing I just sent him one the job he's a good man he comes to the blade show he he fought for our country you know he had the same kind of things that that Charlie might headway come back you know take a bow you any day yeah yeah most soul blade in the world is a is a drop point buoy or whatever you WanNa call them now yeah but that tip aac on that you do bob is you know what in the sang heck am I going to do this thing but you know I D- I carried a smaller version of it for a while and I'll tell you a tip on a warren cliff especially I mean the way you have it set up on the Moab looks very slash e I mean I think people are people you know the there's great value in the re curve in terms of like really cutting deep in a slash but the tip of a warren cliff or a like this moab four four eight seven can you make sure your comment or question answered on upcoming episode of the Knife Junkie podcast they suck a lot of money in it and we started making mad maxes and xt's all of that stuff that I've already made customs they they had a way of doing it production through they had some hawes machining centers and things like that so that's how each team got involved in made nice and basically HTM kind of evolved into that I was not even an owner at that point anymore they took it in the they own huge distribution of for a grocery store items and catalogs they have they have kitchen knives they have all kinds of I was concerned about my reputation because of the quality so at that time I backed out and I said I'm done I that time that was where it all started in went from then I was hooked up with a company here in Dallas called a BNF systems was gone so that's where hand tech made came from I started it and I started with I made some aluminum dominators at that time to what it ended up being and about about five or six years ago I was I don't WanNa say this I don't want sound disgruntled five hundred dollars or you know for the folks at used to be able to buy a thousand dollar nine now they can afford something that ballpark plus the other folks on it came into okay I'll always wanted to American made affordable knife back around two thousand seven two thousand six a grabbed my national stock number for the eighteen x Ray and I- licensed to John Mayer Admire Co and we made those military knives high end were still there and everything was fine but boy that that that genre disappeared from five hundred to fifteen hundred dollar Nias spirit stuff in that it's like a distributor catalogue or something of that sort and they owned a company called Marco when Camilla's closed Cya so they actually went out of business after that probably two or three years later and that's exactly what happened with HD connived that we could sell between those two price points couple little fixed blades those That was the it was called Max q at because we had orders we had crazy amount orders for thousands and thousands of switchblades but we didn't have anywhere to make them anymore because Camilla's closed their doors so tall order and then the economy crashed in two thousand and eight well my thoughts at that time whereas if I'm going to stay in business I need to have knives between a hundred and five hundred nine never having actually laid hands on them I was very excited to see whatever the new knife was from that and and for me it's been my worn my warnings that I was going to mention the the brands but you know doesn't really matter but they work the best and then I was developing at in my brain and I was rolling around how I could do it make it work you know it's kind of a big order at that time for me Oh that's where that started and then what we did was as John and a fellow named Mike Munro's decided that they would try to do in America now I'll help anybody that's been involved with these knives to this point if they need some help that I can help with but other than that I'm going my path in there's a few guys I recruited those guys for them That was part of the deal too I needed recruit guys that I saw thought head talent now and they were carbon-fiber where g ten G ten and they had Flooding going across the handles and S Thirty v blades. I was trying to come up with a way to me company in the back of Blade magazine or or or a knife illustrated they did some Kirby Lambert design and I have tried them on brisket they were great on brisk I wanted to get to a couple more things hand techniques HDMI mentioned them at the at the outset who are they and I've heard things about them tell me about htm was that your company or okay hd you know and tell you the truth I took a lot of slack over it but you know what I've learned that you just got to man up and you know thanks get tough gotta be tough with it try to do the best you can be an as honest as you can that's all you can do you know be the guy you know it was it was bittersweet you know and you know it's like it's like it's like being married you gotta be with the right person or just don't work out correctly that's basically what I'm a stable of really excellent models which you do and and your shop is only outfitted to say only but you're if you're thank you know everybody tried really hard but it just there was some factors in there that were not foreseen up is outfitted to do one night at a time because these are complex mechanisms and complex tools you're making here it seems like a great idea for you to out this about that in just a new world you gotta be orders you know get your get your battlegear on get at it in had Realm and I decided that that point also that was when I decided to let Kaiser do the or not let them out to Louis licensed I'm also signed up a contract with Camilla and I do maybe one knife a year with them now and they've actually got a dominator out it's carbon-fiber with Titania they do not just in a slash material that's not held down or anything it's just really so I mean I understand I would I would use it for that and other things obinna the dot the gun hammer to them because I thought the gun hammer had more lice and I didn't want to do it myself because in that way in the beginning since that time I brought on Midtech nominators and such like that so that I could try to stay in that to license out a design that's not really one that you're doing much anymore to a company like Kaiser Riyadh or one of those awesome Chinese manufacturers generally you know they took it from there but you know I brought a door that's why surprising for me to see it go away I was like someday I'm going to get all of those and then there him locked side and s thirty blade that they sell it academy and Walmart Places Yeah and they have the what it ended

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The focus was ancient history ancient history. Republicans say yeah and the fact is is that even ancient history. They don't go back to the comedy made about the black plague and stick around. Come for the how slavery still dictates our politics politics but Stay for the Black Pug Also dictating our politics when you start to drill down upon this makes sense there are ideas out there in psychology that characteristics Dr Risks Traits dispositions travel through generations and take years in generations and generations to expunge orange and change And we think about it make sense I mean it makes sense fascinating book and we also so still. We're even though it's twenty twenty. We're still following two thousand nineteen best policy of giving you a free fund half such a last chance I enjoy the free fund half and then it's time for you to become a member in two thousand twenty how's that for New Year's resolution. 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Matthew Matthew Blackwell is associate professor of government at Harvard University versity also one of the co-authors of deep roots how slavery still shapes southern politics with avid Kiara and Maya Ascend Matthew. Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me All right let's let's just start with the What the the I guess? The mission of the book was to answer the question. Why is The United States dates Particularly Conservative on the issue of race. Or why are there different parts of the United States that seem to be that was basically basically it. Yeah I think we kind of we. We were kind of thinking about how to how how rapper heads around the fact that you know of the convince industrialized countries. The United States is kind of an outlier in terms of conservativeness and in particular that we have this kind of one region in the country that has historically been and continues to be Fairly conservative and us the the south and it. It's not doesn't take a lot to recognize at the south also has kind of a a a an intense history of things like a slavery and and realized Violence and things like that. We kind of were setting to think about well. Well could we have systematically think about how those two things are in cow. Why is there some deep historical reasons not just about you know candidates it's in polls and and you know campaign advertisements but there's something deeper in the history of America kind of has led to the broad political? Oh cultures that we see in the United States and the I guess in implied in that is that Our politics six are somewhat our race allies issue political issues that are not necessarily on their face. racial In fact are to some degree. Yeah I think I mean there's evidence you not just in our book but in a elsewhere and political science that Kinda shows how it's the case is that you know when we think about redistribution in this country a lot of people tend to think about you know. Where where's the money gonNA come from and who is going to go to you? And the notions of the from in to tend to get caught up in a lot of it gets about race and racial groups and so the idea that They're kind of redistribution redistribution. Itself Courtney cornerstone political issue and states gets wrapped up in you are the groups that are perceived to the beginning this redistribution in deserving of that in some way and when those groups kind of when that that kind of thinking latches onto Ray's is one of these groups it can really shape how people think about redistribution and and really shape a lot of opposition to redistribution. Even in times perhaps even help their own personal interests and so you set Out to sort of Answer this question as to as to why there's this type of divergence what is it just fine for us this notion of behavioral path dependence. What for for lay people? What what does that mean? Yeah so the the basic. Hey Do you behind this Behavioral within the idea that You know regions or areas of the country that have certain kinds of institutions B The economic institutions solutions or or political institutions of some combination of those institutions can kind of set a different localities down a path in the way and shape. The kind of the behaviors and the belief and the actions of the people who live in those areas and those kinds of behaviors and actions and beliefs can outlast the initial institutions that kind of the police responding to So you can see this sometimes Where where it's no longer necessarily just reacting to to the environment but now those beliefs kinda take on a life of their own even though they don't necessarily have any place in the current kind of institutional structure and so we're we're kind talk about that in the context of slavery itself in the South and how kind of a lot of beliefs and attitudes that were built up in response to slavery and and especially in in response to aftermath They were they make a lot of you know you. Can you can kind of see the the incentives for why they were developed at the time I've ever developed but where we show is that those things tend to outlast all of those those institutions by a long way even after things like Slavery Jim Crow and and have been formally abolished in the south. We still see some lingering a behaviors and attitudes from those eras in these localities. and You oh you know this is sort of I mean there. There is a There's like a parallel concept right in in psychology and within the context of family I mean just for for instance You know the My great grandparents were very very Uptight about you know all of us having our passports Because they had an experience where they had to get out of Germany rather quickly Or I mean or or depression era folks being you know concerned about Money and this is passed down generation to generation three or four generations. Later you still have people who are really uptight about about money or about their passports. I mean it's it's it's somewhat analogous to that on some level. Yeah so I mean if you think about you know you know honestly some some of that might be genetic about the just the variation people but we also have certain issues where you know. It's GonNa be the case that you know the way that you come to the world if somehow shaped by the you know by the world around you as you're growing up Kinda give childhood socialization. You know the the way that your family talks about money for instance can shape the way that your interview you money as an adult or the way that you know in our in our incentives the way that racist discuss the way that races contextualized way that people talk about a you know kind of interracial relationships you know all of those things can't not but you know but impact the way you think about race moving forward and even if if the kind of the change in the context of race you know obviously the context of racism say the nineteen forties in the. US is very different than the context. Today I mean there's there's those are just different time periods with Different kind of levels of say you know Obvious institutional racism but it may still shape the way you think about it and the kind of where you fall along the spectrum in terms of you know being having different views about race today. Okay so let so you you you have this this I guess this theory that That our politics today not totally but largely When we look at these maps and I think maybe by now people have seen sort of these overlay maps that that In some Some some extent. Come out of your your your research here but that Things that happened that that the way that the institution of Slavery Regroup in the United States is predictive of basically how you vote today If that's your the the theory then what Tell us the cities that you decided to look at them. Why those two Were sort of the the way to tease. He's to test this theory. Yeah so we you know we the the kind of shoe example cities that we kind of focused on especially in the book or a kind of evocative of the kind of to you know to regions of the south probably in the first is The first that we talk about out is in terms of Greenwood Mississippi And that's the place where you know. It was one point you know. There's a sign in the outskirts of town. Those greenway Tom. Cotton capital of the world and it was just a kind of powerhouse in terms of Tom Productivity in the nineteenth and early twentieth century and it's real real kind of embedded in the Mississippi Delta and all those things in that has eight kind of large African American population a remnant of that you know something's GonNa Tara And so we see this one of these places that was kind of deep in the heart of the kind of the the slate culture and the an in an slaved areas of the south and compare that to to Asheville North Carolina. Where an area that is kind of an upcountry that is is really rugged? Area has a has a certain perceptions day but it is never a good place for growing cotton in the nineteen th century and never ever had a serious kind of Foothold of slavery back in the pre civil war era and we kind of contrast these places because you you know neither are particularly you know neither of these things that are particularly liberal. Both are I think. Generally they're conservative relatives and the rest of the country but it certainly the he's that that's the difference between the politics of these areas. It's pretty dramatic today. And one of the you know the the ingredient is still extremely conservative. You know we. We estimate that very very few White People that live in county. The Greenwood is in voted for Barack Obama to for instance whereas we we something thing like forty to fifty percent of the people that that in Asheville the whites and Nashville for Barack Obama. And this this there's different we're being in part to the kind of the historical development of slavery in these two areas. The fact that Greenwood had this this massive infrastructure built around slavery and I and its aftermath. Kind of The reconstruction period. You also things like things Share cropping and things like that that kind of grew up in in place of it and actual never had that same kind of infrastructure in place and never had the need for the kind of racial is politics expat became the some of the defining characteristics of place like Greenwood in the in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. So now let me just go back. Did you say both are relatively conservative. You're talking relatively conservative to the rest of the country. Yeah okay okay. Yeah so the rest of the country. I mean one thing to keep in mind. Is that partly. That's partially. That's because we're just looking at you know. Whites in general are are conservative relative to the rest of the country you know. The nationally across all races whites are more conservative. But also just because you know the South Amien if you look at whites. The whites in the south are a little a bit more conservative than than whites generally and that's partially because there are a lot of there aren't a lot of big cities in the south it compared to the north where you have large large clusters of of kind of urban when young Folks that would kind of make the north and on south so much more liberal than the south so in terms of saying that Ashville is conservative as well as Greenwood. It's there's a matter of degree and Asheville is relatively conservative to say. I don't know The Brooklyn or something thing like that. Exactly exactly it's just. Yeah it's not it's not you you wouldn't say that you wouldn't. You'd never say that Ashville is necessarily the same as like Brooklyn or you know Duck Cambridge Massachusetts or something like that but it it certainly relative to other cities in the south is pretty girl so the the the primary difference in terms of a Of of the if you look at the voting outcomes let's say in you know You know five years ago. is You guys guys trace back to. The existence of slavery has as a central defining characteristic characteristic of the locale at that time like what is the threshold that in your research which determines whether You know ashville follows Ashville path versus Greenwood Falls Greenwood's path like where what what is the what what what constitutes critical mass for that difference. Yeah it one thing. That's kind of interesting about at least in the time period that we're looking at it and it could change over time time but at least at the time period. We're looking we actually see a F- you know a fairly linear relationship between you know what what proportion you you know. What was the relative number of enslaved African Americans versus white and a county in eighteen sixty and the And the kind of the propensity to vote for the Republican Party or to hold To hold a more racially conservative views like that. That relationship is really when you get you know Kinda just as you increase the the proportion enslaved and eighteen sixty you just see an increase in the conservative voting And that and so we. It's there doesn't seem to be against my change over time but there doesn't seem to be a real threshold For that these kinds of counties and those kind academies I mean we do see. You can't break it out by something like you know kind of whether or not Someplace had blessing twenty five percent in greater than twenty five percent inflation flavor. We do you can see differences there but it was something that's interesting about. It is that it does seem to scale in this way so that it. Just you know the the denser it was in the antebellum period. They're kind of the more conservative. Politics are today and we think that reflects the kind of what the incentives that that people were responding to at the time about slavery And how those things how how important it was to the area at the time Kind scales in how how many or how how densely slavery was in that period. That's sort of amazing that that is one to one away. If it's exactly one to one but it's it's literally that sort of that there are gradations that you don't need a critical mass. Ask that it really is just a function of just how conservative you get was really just how I explained to me. Just what what you mean by Proportion of of slay slay people in the county. Does that mean the total number of the total a number of the population who were Were slaves so if you had ninety s Does that mean that like literally if there's one hundred people in that county. Obviously there's more but hundred ninety ninety of them are slaves and ten of them are in control. Yeah so there were some counties in this strike. So we're looking at when we say proportion Washington you mean the total number of in place people in the kind of divided by the total number of people And you can measure that a lot of different ways and we. We've done that work. But but yeah since there are these places that you know that for every For everyone white person there were nine. There were nine African African American. Just some some parts of the Mississippi Delta were just I it is it is overwhelming to see the kind of the way that the demographics and the you know the economic conditions and the just just the the kind of the terribleness institution is kind of overwhelming. You just most people. Don't think about it in terms of how how we tend to think of slavery as you know the whole a south it's slavery but really there was a lot of areas in some places had basically no slave In some places had massive numbers where again it was like nine to one. uh-huh owes literally nine to one in in some areas and so okay so And so this is. This is how you get that disparity within the context of of a broader south that is pro the institution of slavery. But it is. It's it's it's it's the proximity to the the practice of slavery I guess That is the driving factor here. Yeah and we find one of the reasons for that that we find is that it's essentially not just when slavery existed actually went flavor went away so after emancipated after the civil war That the places that relied on slavery the most that have the most likely that you know in fact. We're the whites. Were outnumbered the most kind of once. The African Americans were free. These were places that their reaction action to advance. The patient was incredibly harsh And they tried to enact all kinds of terrible kind of Jim Crow style laws and be things called black codes to try to constrain and restrict the mobility of African Americans in that period and all kinds of economic institutions to react to the emancipation that got were directly a function of them trying to recreate the kind of economic systems. They had under slavery and so that reaction is going to scale kind of with how dependent you are as a local area on on slavery. Wow Okay so The the the the reaction Shen is what creates the the the biggest institutions are there examples of an and I wanNA talk about how that translates into into I guess attitudes And but but as you say that if you have the highest concentration of of Slaves to non slaves to presumably their owners or those who are enabling their owners And that ah you can see that in voting patterns a bit two hundred two hundred forty years later. Almost right Ah that what Or Two hundred years later or I guess maybe closer to one hundred eighty but what what how does that a In terms of figures is that because you had a lot of Of of former slaves leave the area or I mean how. How does that translate or are you looking at the granular numbers not the results from the county? But how the white population voted yes. That's the key thing here which is actually kind if it's interesting to look at because if you look at a map of how the south votes and you're in your oppose it on one of these maps of the density of slavery what you'll see from it is is it. Looks like that the the former that the black belt the the cotton belt that kind of goes down through the southern states. The deep South if you look at that that area are you now and on the red blue typical maps you see on TV and things that dubbed actually pretty deep blue and the reason for that is the former Slavery also happened to be plays where they're not happen to be a direct consequence of those are places where there are relatively dense populations of African Americans today And so you. Did you see that that if you just look at the kind of the vote it looks like those areas are more little and they are because because there are large proportions of African Americans. But what so we wanted to do was actually tease this out for for whites because we thought that those are the people for which we think that this kind of mechanism this kind of past the behavioral path dependence could really act and so yes a lot of what we do in the paper and the book is trying to figure out. How can we find out for for White folks in the South and you you know we just a couple of different ways one is to to get Relatively big surveys. That ask a lot of questions of a lot of people so that we can get huge over samples roles of of southern whites that kind of really get a sensor that geographic dispersion of their attitudes and also US election outcomes data Election kind of data And combine it with Some data from the voter file in terms of turnout by race. which you can get in the south you could get in the south when the voting rights act was was still working and you can use that information to kind of back out what you think? The the white boat is in these areas and And so that that's Kinda help also also helped us so so we're really focusing on on folks and the the kind of ideas that some of these families that have been passed down these things over time because throughout the generations at least among among white people in the south. So if if I understand you correctly it's it's possible and it it's actually fairly consistent that you have some of these areas that are the bluest areas he is on a county level in the south Have some of the most racist white voters is that Ah that do I understand that Gregory. Yeah but yeah I would say that's a that's a fair characterization of over saying and I think probably it's instructive to kind of think about you know one thing thing that's always kind of helped me is when I you know you think about places like you know. We think of West Virginia and West Virginia kind of like you know border. South left Virginia because of the civil war and things like that but a useful comparison sometimes thinking about it in the in the minds of most Americans we think of West Virginia is being so solidly right that just deep red very republican and we kind of compare that's a place like To Georgia Mississippi Alabama which we do also think of as being pretty read the with very with kind of blue streaks literal restricts but also you know there are rep there are Democrat representatives from from these from those states and I think we tend to think we. I don't know if we acquaint them but I think we don't don't realize actually if you were to just take all the white people in Mississippi and Alabama and compare them to the way people in West Virginia. I think what you find is that The they're actually a lot more liberal in in pro. They're more liberal in West Virginia and in Alabama Mississippi and you can actually going back in history. You can see that where West Virginia was an area that actually had when there was the solid south of Democrats. You know West Virginia actually elected Republican governors more liberal Republican. We can governors. And so it's an interesting you know I think sometimes these kind of all populations of people tend to mask the kind of underlying individual level A variation in attitudes. That is pretty interesting and I think especially that's true about the way that race And masks the kind of wide differences among races can mask some of the white conservatism in the south. So that is So the The individual white voters in West Virginia are less racist than those Pockets of white voters in those other states. You you mentioned so why does that translate. So in that instance in West Virginia is at that their Their conservative you've Views are not a function of race is that I am. Yeah so part of it is that is that I think we we. Just don't see it because you know we never get an election where just everyone and all the white man not anymore. We don't get elections where everyone you know only like people in Mississippi or Alabama you know whereas that is basically you know given the demographics West Virginia. That's every election is and in West Virginia. And so I think if you were to hold an the election where you only white people could vote right and we gave him. You know we would see that The West Virginia but generally tend to be more liberal all on a lot of set of issues than than than the white folks in in Alabama slightly more or less conservative. Yeah exactly so we have this like relative degrees so it's not like we're not talking about if you know it's not GonNa be you know obviously West Virginia's not like You Know Doc Massachusetts or or something like that or even New Hampshire but it is going to be but he's GonNa be relatively a less conservative than than the other areas and I think to some extent you you kind of see that in some of the politics coming out West Virginia tend to be you know they they they do tend to I think more kind of toying with or entertaining Liberal ideas when it comes to say unions and things like that then then we really see In the in the deep south. But we're but West Virginia genius now has West Virginia become more conservative over time Is that or I in my is that you know that. Just I'm getting confused fused with sort of just like partisan realignment A is a question of B E F. It is the case. Does this mean that race is not exclusively lucidly the Or the exclusive or even the most predominant factor in determining how conservative broadly speaking population population would be. Yeah I think it's an important. That's that's an important to station. It kind of helps with the West Virginia case too because one thing we do find is for We found in our previous research is the following following. which is that if you look at areas of the of the south that had legalized you know had allowed slavery was legal but had very little slavery itself off you know? These are kind of places along the northern border states Places like Virginia and you match them up with similarly rural areas just on the other side of the border and then and kind of quote unquote north so places in southern Ohio. Indiana up places like that. What you find is actually very little difference in the attitude that we see between those two areas and that's a gesture that there there is that there is some You know a couple of different things I mean certainly. It's the case that you know. At least we can't one hundred percent of the variation conservative ads because obviously do something like slavery And that could be because that could be for a number of reasons it could. Because there is like a significant significant other part of conservatism. It's just the belief structure That that drives people to be a conservative or other kind of life experiences It could also so be that there. geographic mobility in the country has made this The trying to tease out very difficult right a lot. Lot of the black and white people moved out of the south in the first half of the twentieth century during the migration Two places in the north and places places in the West so we did have the access both black and white folks. That could kind of Y- some sense if you think about those kind of those are now spilling over into other areas and so so it becomes harder over time to kind of see these relationships they tend to kind of they tend to attenuate over time just because you have people moving. I'm like that and so it's a little. If it's that it's hard to tease those choosing the party could still be the case that a lot of this is being driven by race. It's just Kind of indirectly through people moving. But it's but we can't quite tease it out without getting a full accounting of everyone's family history and that's obviously great difficult right so the idea is that So then getting back to to the To the reconstruction era when you had a A county that had a high proportion of of slavery or slaves essentially to To to white folk The the responses were were Were basically to subjugate black people Who are now free economically politically This goes on through through. I mean certainly Through the Jim Crow era and so the idea is that theoretically the lessons are learned as you know Hey Hey apo- why is it There's a poll tax Well I'll tell you son like these ideas are then communicated and embedded in this next generation ration- and they they retained these ideas. Essentially right that are that. And even if they moved to West Virginia They you still have these ideas. Even if those measures aren't there or they implement those measures there for the same for reasons maybe that they have forgotten or were never never firsthand experienced as to why they were doing this. Yeah I mean I think you know one thing that is always for. I mean for us if someone humbling about doing research like this is that I think it makes you question a little bit to the degree to which you've come to your own beliefs to rational person where you sat down and really thought about all the the alternative is and decided that the you know my political beliefs are directly a function of that rationality. I think that's how all of us perceive ourselves a really when it comes down to a lot of it is being shaped shaped by By our family history and upbringing in various ways and I think definitely in the south. You saw there. There are some really kind kind of amazing descriptions of this in what is now called the kind of racial etiquette in the way that Children were raising. He's in a way to kind of follow rules of interacting with members of the opposite race in the South Dakota fide informally it. Wasn't it wasn't legal but there would be strict rules about when a young white child was walking on a sidewalk and a black adult approach them. Who would get out of the way right? And who who had the right of way and that's always the young child and there are certain ways that young white children were allowed to talk to to adult African Americans and these these kinds of structures sure so the heavily enforced right along with things like you know children's Children's versions of things like the KKK clubs. That students that kids would join As part of this and all of these kinds of the infrastructure was built up around making sure that you you know the white and black people understood what the rules were for interacting and in particular to make sure that everyone understood. African Americans were in subject position relative to whites and I it was. It was overwhelming when you look kind of the the people that have historical work to figure this out and it's hard to imagine Agean that that you know a situation like that doesn't color how you view the world moving forward and how. Maybe you talk about Richard Children Moving forward to even if some of those there's the code affiliation ended in the nineteen or became less prominent in the Middle Part of twentieth century. It could still be the case that a lot of the people that grew up learning learning those lessons might still be alive. They might tell voting So it's it's I think that's that's an important consideration. One that we think is really important. For the result of finding the book doc in the intensity of the racism is tied directly into the proportion in which the community relied on on slave labor abor because their reaction must like the blowback. From emancipate I had to be that much more severe and strong and so they're constructing adding Sort of more racist social mores to Because from their perspective the threat of loss of power was that much greater. Yeah I mean you you're talking about situations where the you know the local Y.. You Know County and the local population again might be out number nine to one so if you just think about majority he's old You know this is this is you know. That's that's a problem for a white population that that really saw itself as being the the the only R- like responsible group of people to be able to run since I and the idea was that they they. They're if you read kind of historical accountant and first person. Historical newspaper accounts sounds of the white reaction to play emancipation. It was it was very dramatic. I mean they were just there. Were obsessed with the kind of labor problems that we're GONNA come down the road for them. They were obsessed with the political issues. That have come down the road and so and these were the were highly localized. It was it was. So that's why we see this kind of local goal local affect. How do you measure the intensity of racism the relative to relative to let's say a an area and we should say the the area of follows the black belt which is literally a description of of very very fertile soil That allowed for the growing of cotton. And maybe other you know A commodities that would require a higher rate of of slavery within that area. So it's sort of fat. I mean it's I mean I guess you know we we see this in the context of of other. You know If you're a for thousands of years ago ago living in a fertile area you agriculture becomes your primary. You know You the agriculture becomes the primary driver and society is constructed around on that I mean that that notion exists and so it it makes sense. But how do you measure through time. the the the relative levels of racism from a county that say had nine to one ratio versus. Let's let's say five to five or you know seven to three. Yeah it's I mean so. That's I think for us. That was the most one of challenging the okay. One of the reasons why we decided to write a book because we thought you know part of it is kind of kind of data data detective work trying to find the little bits of quantitative evidence thinking we get from whatever source So it looks like different things in different time period so you know when we kind of we had to look a little bit about this in the in the antebellum period and there were looking at how different members of the Georgia state legislature voted. And how did the the ones that lived in the the kind of high areas vote compared loosely various We looked at how in kind of moving forward towards like Jim Crow area. We're we're looking at. How did Counties when ratification of Jim Crow state constitutions it's particularly the Alabama We're up for a vote and to ratify the constitution that was explicitly about out restricting. The kind of ability disenfranchising african-american putting kind of Jim Crow era laws on them. And we look at you know what. How did the county county's vote for This and we find that you know. The areas higher levels slavery were more likely to vote for a to ratify the constitutional amendment. That would detail take for instance African Americans Later on you got on lynchings over the course of the kind of late nineteenth early twentieth century then found that as as a portion of the total number of people who are more than African Americans in the envied areas relative to to the blow save areas And then moving kind of steady moving forward in time we can we. Can we can use once. The disenfranchisement of African is complete. We can actually use just a vote. Shares in these areas Because those are just basically white elections and so we can look how voted on the national elections In that time period and then fast forward kind of fast forwarding over time today. Okay we can start to look at things like big surveys that are being done by the national elections survey done by political scientists in Michigan and then the another service. It's now kind of even bigger and we can look at it questions specifically asked people things like you know can you. How do you feel about this group? You know on a scale from zero to one hundred and asked about you know what do you think about black people. Do you think about white people and we can look at just the difference between those numbers measure of preference And then and then today I mean now there's political sciences trying to get very sophisticated about how it measures kind of views on race. That don't necessarily that are kind of more say hidden then then on the kind of obvious racism of biological reasons men of the past and so we use some of those kind of more subtle measures in in the current time period In these surveys the last few years. But I mean it's just for us. It was all about you know where could be the different data sources pieces together to kind of To try to trace this out over time because there's not one there's no one data source waking the poll for the past two hundred years. What are your attitude towards the sensitive asses? But they didn't so we have to rely on just kind of Finding things as we want. Okay so I have to have two major questions to ask you Left after the one is the persistence. So I mean you. You've talked about you. Can you said earlier like you know you could see the this linear like you can follow the trajectory victory of this and I imagine you know when you say that you can measure the incidents of lynchings and I would presume probably The to the the extent that that data is available in the twenties it may have been a little bit more public or at least you know. Newspaper reports the incident so are the size of the clan in a specific area. I would imagine that in and of itself is a provides the durability like like each era provides its own sort of reproduction machine of these attitudes A is that the case in be if it is the case are there areas where that falls off like there is nothing that can then break that other than sort of distance. You know generational `rational distance from From that slavery. Yeah so I mean we we try to take this up a little bit. It's a tough question. They how do you know what is the you know like one. That's one very early on Ramos. Like what's the half life you know the kind of radioactive half life of like when you expect to kind of go away and so we try to look at that a little bit and it's it's a difficult question Just because it's hard to compare some of these these measures over time but one thing we do see. Is that when we look at things that are outcome measures where we see that the federal government has really gotten involved and take an action The where things like voting rights Things like kind of educational occasional inequalities things like even income inequalities. What we see is that those types of measures kind of black white wage gap the the black white education gap and the buck. Doc By kind of turnout gap those things used to be really heavily correlated with slavery back in the early part of the twentieth century right. So it's Kinda seem story we've been telling about these things. You saw this both in terms of attitudes but also in terms of the kind of inequalities between whites and blacks now even though those those inequality still exists between blacks and whites but they're actually much much less correlated with slavery than they were in the nineteen forties right and so that speaks to the fact. That part of what happened was that the federal government actually win and had some really big interventions things like Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty actually had a big impact on flattening the the relation to kind of how local some of these effects are on some of these outcomes right and so we see that that is a an interesting. I don't know success but an interesting kind of way that when the Federal Reserve and actually got involved and did something that actually had a pretty big impact. But we don't see that on if things things like these attitudes the relationships that we see between slavery and attitudes in the Middle Part of the twentieth century or not that different than the attitude. That really should be attitudes and We see in the early part of the twenty first century and to some extent that we think that's kind of decided that it's hard to change the kind hearts. It's in mind and there we don't we don't really know what that's going to look like moving forward and so we buy it could be the case that These things just kind of March and get it kind of the dissipate slowly and slowly and so then the other hand it could be the case that kind of entrepreneurial politicians are able to kind of latch onto some of these political divisions and actually kind of reactivate them. And I think it's hard to know how they'll ask how terrifying in a way. Yeah Ah yeah well to give you an example of this. We understand you just just to restate. Federal intervention is a fairly effective means in which to make some material differences in presumably in the worst case scenarios. Right because that's where you're most likely but in terms but despite light these material differences Attitudes have a persistence. That is Incredible it seems like you and and The the that persistence and that durability is also function of people out there who know that it's Layton and at anytime conservative re up. It's violence. Yeah that's that's and so I think that's that's totally correct and I think one you know outside of the context of the south one thing. We one piece of a paper in economics that showed that they they've related Voting for the Nazi party in Germany in the nineteen and the twentieth century was related to Black Black Death era pogroms anti-semitism like in the twelfth century hundreds of years of persistence. And again it kind of shows you. I think what's interesting about. That example is not only that like not. We don't necessarily have this thing where it just goes away but it could be that they're you know again. Kind of entrepreneurial unreal Politicians that can take advantage of these divisions and re reignite them and. I think that's something that you know. We tend to think of everything progresses marching in forward. And things like that. But I do think that it. Doesn't you know there are ways that it could go in different directions. And I think there's something to watch out for is as time marches Saddam. Okay my last question for you is Largely outside of your portfolio. I think but Is seems to me to be highly implicated. Gated in your research. What about the converse? Like what about those areas where you had a Nine into one slave to you know a slave owner more or less What what are the implications? If it's if the attitudes foods that were so ingrained that were developed than in response to emancipation and presumably slavery. Right I mean to to justify it. These there are two sides of the same coin Were are so durable in white people. What about the attitudes that would have necessarily Sara Lee come with being subjugated in black people? Yeah I did this. It's a we don't we've looked at this. It's a little bit but I mean part of one thing that we issue that we we've kind of faced with studying kind of African American views on this and kind of how we think. There's obviously a huge legacy of slavery African Americans. I think but the kind of the thing that makes it difficult to study for us. Is that for White folks we can actually do. We can the people. Well you know had right. They could vote. They did things in society. which would indicate their attitudes and black people largely during that period? I have no ability to articulate that in the public record right well not just that but they the the the. There's a variety of ways that whites could interact with society and and and variety of ways that they could interact with the the slave slavery end and the and the in patient whereas African Americans had basically uniform uniformly they were kind of uniformly Treated by these institutions. Basically you know massive proportions were enslaved. You know so it's not like they're you know. There was a a a big group of African Americans that were not insist that we could look at. How did they? How did their attitudes form over time if they didn't interact with slavery whereas folks we definitely have these areas where they just didn't interact with slavery all that much And so there's more it's it's we think that it's almost like it's it's so the impact on on on on African Americans. It was so overwhelming that it makes it actually difficult to kind of study because it's hard to figure out what what would've looked like for them. If this institution institution didn't exist I mean that's almost like a crazy question Even even wrap your head around and I think that's what makes it a difficult thing to study having said that I think there are. There is evidence that that African Americans have higher degrees of what's called linked fate or they tend to think about what's good for the group is Is Good for me. in terms of the descriptive representation and things like a- and we think that that could be in part driven by a This kind of interaction did the way being subjugated in this way. I in in this manner definitely seemed like something that could be to those kinds of attitudes over a long period of time at the very least Your research shows that the legacy of slavery Particularly how it impacts attitudes Individual attitudes has incredible amount of durability. Yeah it's it's we were. We were surprised and we kind of the kitchen sink It's still. It's still there until we're your you know it's it's kind of just it's. It's definitely something that we were surprised by to some extent. I mean it's hard sometimes. We're surprised by it and sometimes you feel like it's just completely obvious so it's hard to uh balance those two ideas it's such an important institution and and yet but two hundred fifty years you know. It's just hard to wrap your head around Matthew Blackwell. The book is is deep roots. How slavery still shapes southern politics? And I guess if you had room American politics We'll put a linked to that at majority report. RADIO DOT COM. Thanks so much for your time today really fascinating thank you so much it let's We got into desert now. Yes we're going to start with desert now Matt got into a little exchange with a A man on twitter or woman. I don't know we don't know you know twitter's semi MIA anonymous always. I guess I don't know and replying to Matt. This individual on twitter said Sam Cedartown Steven crowder utter fans to find the truth but you failed. Validate your claims for irrational political vengeance. I'm not sure I get what what what was the first part of this. This is just us one in demanded a debate. Oh I see yeah if you have some sort of evidence then put it on the table. Otherwise what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence fair enough this was in November of Of Two thousand eighteen and I waited part of the reason why I waited because I had a feeling I'd get another piece and that happened back in May and I've waited because I was also hoping for another opportunity between but it's not coming. So what do we start with. She we do this chronologically or do we do do we. Do we go reverse chronology. Maybe reverse Cornell yes. I think we'll save the more media friendly for ver second so back in May Early early May I got an email. Oh another must have been the first one must have come. Actually I think in April from a guy named I'm Jim and he wrote Hullo Sam Cedar Team. My name is Jim and I worked for free speech DOT TV. This is the new network being launched on June first. We're wondering if SAM would accept our invite to be on the show. The show's a panel discussion. That will have a conservative. A liberal on every show to discuss current events in politics for an hour. The show is called free speech. We'll be hosted by Gavin McGinnis. We Pay Sam's for Sam's travel and stay plus pay him five thousand dollars to be on. The show should gun no hotel in midtown Bro. We have a lot of big names on both sides of the aisle I. S. Alley that have agreed to be on for Hoping Sam Cantu Geo we will be filming who episodes a month for twelve months so we can work around scam. Sam Schedule Jim now. I have to say when I get an email like this. I am suspicious. Because does one Gavin McGuinness's wants me on his TV show. Okay he's going to pay me five five thousand dollars. I don't get five thousand dollars for anything I don't. I don't know all the appearances I've made on. MSNBC over the past year. I will get five thousand dollars in aggregate for probably we not actually so. I got very suspicious on this now whenever I get suspicious. It's what I do is I set it off. I Say I'm not gonNA answer this. I'm going to have Patrick answer it. Patrick who works You never hear me reference Afri- him because he works in the basement here at the jury. Just bring him out to just look at it so so Patrick Responds and says Oh. Oh Yeah SAMSA could be interested. tell us more. Jim Writes back would nights and May twenty-first what nights in June. Okay so we talk doc in this and that and at one point he says Oh yeah here he goes okay so Hello Patrick. Thank you for getting back to us. Show is being filmed in a professional studio. Downtown downtown Manhattan. There will be makeup because Patrick was very concerned that I needed makeup. Patrick throws a lot of shady. Yeah Patrick is no he. The Bachelor was like Whoa Sam wants to know. If there's going to be made up I mean I was just curious like what the heck is going on here and and so there will be make up about thirty guests in the audience. This show shown on free speech TV but look putting up some interesting parts of the show on Youtube shows all about having conservative -servative liberal ideals being represented in long-form hour long discussion. I saw Sam's interview with Glenn Greenwald the other day. That was awesome. This is kind of the same idea. The guest maybe not agree on some of the current political topics discussed. But we do it in a fun and respectable manner. We're both perspectives are shared on any given topic that was an Esl like they keep using the wrong word for things. Well I don't know but I have a feeling that Jim is not really Jim. Jim Jimmy Stewart Advice. I think has a drinking problem. And now we want the viewers from right to left to be able to do both sides not watching another Fox News or MSNBC ECHO Tamer Gavin would be the host of the show the two guests will be a liberal and conservative in each show where shooting two episodes a month for years. We work around SAM schedule. Is there a there. Yeah boy boy. Is there a particular conservative guests. Sam would like to be on the panel with we could make it work Steven. Even crowder might be a good pairing for instance and he is willing to do. The show noticed a lot of sands fans. Want Sam to debate stephen in this could be perfect for him for that. Getting a great response Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah the psychos number. We could do a conference call with Gavin. But if you guys wanted to now years where I think Oh this is real and I'm not GonNa go do a show where Gavin gets to pretend and he's Dick Cabinet. I'm not going to do a show. Where Gavin pretends that he is like some type of just neutral host because Gavin is clearly trying trying to resuscitate his career? Now I would go on with Gavin on his show if it was live or I could record Lord my version of it and I would have Gavin on my show if we were going to debate about something and I would do it for free. The only way that I would agree to help revive Gavin's career is for a minimum of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But I would pay my way. I will get there on my own and you wouldn't have to put me out but that's not the point so Then Jim Rights. Don't go to this yet on. May Twenty first. What nights in June will work for? Sam We ideally are gonNA shoot in the city around eight PM Friday's studio. `Bout thank you greatly. Jim Patrick Response. Hi Jim Sam says whatever NYC crowder is there works for him. Patrick and Jim Responds on May Twenty first at three twenty one. PM Awesome thank you. We'll be back soon with dates. Then on May thirtieth. Both we haven't heard anything. I say to Patrick Patrick. What's the deal? And he writes on May thirtieth. Hey Jim Sam just asked. What's up do we have a date yet? And then on May thirtieth eleven thirty two am Thanks for following up. I'm sorry it's taken so long. I'm working hard on it. And we are in dialogue over it with crowder. I will no more in coming days. I will get back to you for sure. Thanks again. I think it'll be awesome when it happens. I think SAM is hilarious. Thanks Jim Patrick. You Tell Jim that I I said thank you but then June third comes around and Patrick I almost said me. Hey Patrick writes. Hey Jim any word question. Mark and Jim writes back on June third. Yup made some progress over the weekend. Hope to have an answer for you guys at the end of the week. Thanks so much I just want this as just as bad as you slash Sam want it and then June ninth Jim Rights. We tried hard man but he just won't do it with Sam very disappointed. Is there anyone else that Sam might want to is beyond the show with just a couple ideas and culture lined up on the twenty six week. It offers Sammy. Also what about Jimmy. Bow Door we've been talking to him. Thank you Jim. Oh Oh my God where is the trump cock cock cock cock and so Patrick writes back oof. I'll ask him about out the others. What happened with crowder? He won't do your show or won't do it with Sam did he give a reason. Why Sam's GonNa be Cranky with me? Which is true? I was really cranky when Patrick told me this. And and then Patrick. I didn't get a response and I was like Patrick. What's the deal? Aw and so. He writes to Jim on June twelfth. Hey Jim so now sam thanks I messed up somehow on the crowder thing and and that's why it's not happening. He didn't really react when I mentioned any of the other names. I can press him again though. I'm sorry Patrick Doc. I was so cranky and wanted closure ask what I thought that I said to Patrick. I said Hey man did you screw this up because I wanted to debate crowder. And he's like no. Oh I didn't know you sure. And he's like no and so that's why he wrote Jim that way. Then you through chair and then Jim Rollback all right man man. I know you guys are going to be pissed but here it is what we've got out crowder. crowder said he has four million youtube followers. lauwers and Sam has five hundred K.. Followers we already up to now six hundred and fifty thousand grown fast fashion crowder and he didn't want Sam trying to ride in on on his coattails of hard work blood sweat and death. Threats just to lend is not notoriety to Sam which would help Sam gain some of his followers and crowder hates Sam for some reason. He doesn't want to help. I believe that point. I need you now. The funny part is now of course like crowder is willing to lend his Brandao to unknown college. Kids well capitalize on. I happen to know for a fact that there's never been a single college. Kid that Steven crowder has debated baited. That has even close to four million youtube followers. In fact I will bet that I have more youtube followers than any a college student that he has ever debated and I would also argue that he probably anybody that he was going to go. On with breath on Gavin show and has appeared on Gavin show. Well we looked at up. Don't have much more followers than I do. Baby you buy. I don't know ten percent thirty twenty percent but not four hundred percent anyways anyways crowder was supposed to be on our show last week so this had nothing to do with Gavin. It's just SAM unpopularity with Steven. Here's a crowder wouldn't even go at show up on the show. What's that he was on? What whoa Oh this is interesting? I Dunno causation. Correlation tried so hard multiple times. He tried so hard that now crowder is mad at Gavin Avin for pushing so hard for it to happen. I thought if anyone could make this happen it was Gavin but he could not convince them after multiple attempts to to do it. We were fucking pest. We think it's stupid for him not to do it and that it would go viral. I think with crowd or getting D.. monetize did not help help things either. I'm not going to give up but I figured for now. It's not going anywhere. I would not be surprised in the near future. We get him to rethink it. We told them he is just as bad of the nineteen twenty liberals that say no to Gavin when we asked them to be on hard to have a dialogue when no one wants to fucking talk to each other so oh heart yeah top fuck diet with that said we would still like to have salmon with someone. Maybe a Stephen sees that episode of Sam with some other conservative than maybe you could open up the dialogue for future date. We have Candice Ellen's on September. Sixth and Blah Blah Blah. We could done the conservative side. We could use some help getting very very liberals if you have any idea this show is about having both sides and etc etc site in happen. We're going to try and get stem and Stephen personally love Sam and watch his show every day As a very thing sweet thing to say Jim Weird that you would need to put me up when you know that the show is done every day from Brooklyn and this show tapes New York put. Would maybe it's true. I'm glad he does no hard feelings. Jim and then I just wrote back. Excuse me Patrick Robak Because I wanted to see I asked Patrick. How much money are they willing to pay before? We say we've Kazakh. He's out before we go public with this. And and then it turned out just five. Grand was about as far as they were going to go. Oh so then we were like okay. Now it's time to go public Definitely a move. Salmon Gavin anonymous pen pals show now outlook outlook. They hated each other. One ties the judge is not evidence of anything in some of you will say that just happened once. Let's but no ladies and gentlemen. This was a pattern. This happened in the spring of 2019. Put back in the summer early fall of two thousand eighteen. There was an event that I was thinking about about attending but it was contingent upon me being able to have a debate with someone who I thought ought was influencing the younger generation on Youtube. I mean that was basically my idea and if it's someone who I think is You know is is doing that. I don't care how many well the fact that he has. Three or four million YouTube. The two Views or subscribers is indicative of how many people he's reaching and why. I think that's problematic. Roger Your Stone. I don't know how many youtube subscribers as a fairly big name but I don't think any I don't think may frankly young people follow Rogerstown or care what he says and so he's less relevant to me so here is a recording. That was made. That captures a phone call. That took place between myself and Dave Booker recorded in New York. But she's a one party state. You have altered the voices just slightly and no oh names are involved here. I mean the other party. I don't normally do this to be honest with you in terms recording calls like this but there was radio silence to debate Steven crowder and I was very very much looking four to it. Do you remember Brandon. I was supposed to debate him at an event that took place in California and this year. It's taking place at the different place in the country. I think it's Tennessee and And I was very excited about this but then all of a sudden I didn't hear anything and so when the person said can we get on the phone. I was like okay but that's weird and I'm in a one party state so because I had anticipated that something was going to go sideways and here is data exchange. Things things are moving along literally just building your proposed schedule handle how great I know very quickly they lading. You'll have all of that Dune I did want to talk to you about the debate today. So it seems that Steven crowder has maybe gotten cold feet. Okay and imitated. So I don't think he's coming he's not even gonNA come right. Why is that pause it now? I want people to understand that this is just this ladies in Oh assessment. She's not she's not inside Steven crowder's head the fact that he got cold feet because he felt a little intimidated. That's just her assessment. I want to be fair here. It's just person you know. It's a great question I would love to ask it to him. Myself He's not even answering anymore really Well okay that's too bad interest but I have two other options for you that I think might be interesting. Okay and if they're not to the drawing board. We're we're happy to do that so we have Kansas Owens coming from turning point USA Are you familiar with her conway. Connie's big fan sure and The other one was actually I think would be my preference. I think it could be very interesting. I think it's a very interesting dynamic is Dan Bongino. Who is Dan? Bongino Dbongino you know He. He alluded me beginning. Because I didn't quite understand who he was he ha- he had insane growth on Youtube and facebook lied. And things of that nature. He was former secret survey And now it's just a big crow trump or I'd love to send you some Info and background on him and kind of what our idea is behind. Find it okay but if Kansas if neither option is favorable I can absolutely go back to the drawing board. I have not a single problem doing that. I I WANNA wanting this new great experience number one for you and and something interesting and toothsome for you to get into also. Yeah I mean I'm I'm familiar with candace owens and that might work but send me information about that other guy. I just have never heard of him. and that's a real shame. Bigger yeah I I. I don't know what she's team is doing around him. And you know just to speculate at this point POSIT WANNA make sure that we understand. This is speculation. I imagine it's informed speculation. Also let me just say I didn't mean any offense to Dan Bongino. I just hadn't had never heard of Louis. Would I didn't know who he was. And so well you know. Let's let's hear the speculation. It's speculation folks. Go back just a little bit because as you can see I was really interested in getting more information about Steven crowder. It work but send me information about that Eh guy. I just have never heard of him And that's a real shame about your bigger. Yeah I I don't know what she's team is doing around him. And you know just for me to speculate at this point He. I don't know eighteen years a whole team and he won't do it. He could bring the team. I believe his father. But I can't confirm tonight. Okay all right right now. That was just my inference. POSITS I wanNA make it clear. She says here. This is just your inference. So she doesn't know no no. I mean it's just it would be a weird thing to just sort of randomly. Say I think it's his parents his mom mom I didn't want them to or dad. Didn't want to know where to come out of nowhere to come up with that. But that's that's the inference and then and we pull it back to ten fifteen seconds then you have to put yourself in my mind. This is the first I ever heard of that. And I'm like wait a second crowder's not a teenager right. Like does his folks. No He's doing this. That's a real shame bigger. Yeah I I I don't no no what's his team is doing around him and that's just for me to speculate at this point He I don't know there's a whole team amen. He won't do it he can bring the team. I believe that his father. I can't confirm her. Tonight okay all right. I'm not sure that was just my inference. I understand well I mean young isn't he has. He's not that young young guy. He's in his twenties. Okay all right well semi that. What about Dave reubens literally three eight year old boys trenchcoat phone call proves that well. That's that's why you gotTa Have Dad now. Now look I understand. Steven Steven is Steven doesn't have the confidence necessarily to back up his You know change my mind but let me let me let me put this way. Steven crowder is not capable of defending his positions with an adult who has spent a little time reading up about these things and is somewhat knowledgeable about about this stuff. Oh He's thirty two years old all right well at the fair maybe thirty one at the time. When this conversation happened he was probably thirty? Eighty one and I know that you know my daddy made sure that I wasn't going again to a situation where I would feel embarrassed. Well well into my late thirties so by one point. Well He'd be with Sarah Jessica. Parker could this same at one point Steven crowder has has got a man Dan up and actually have a debate with people who are aware that they're going to have a debate. That aren't going to you. Know in between site classes is or run into a booth and then go sit down with him. That's you know I'd I'd be like me going to. I don't know you know an elementary school in San. WHO's GonNa play one on one basketball with me right now So just did this because I know a lot of crowder fans out there feel now wait a second. I WANNA laugh about this because this is not easy for folks. There's a lot of people out there who think that Steven crowder some kind of champion of theirs. And the fact is is that if he actually felt confident about what he has spouses He would be open to having saving a real exchange with people who know what they're talking about. It's not to say that college students agents don't but like I say you know I mean there's I've seen some kids who do quite well with With crowder but I mean to be walking down the You know the quad and just seeing a booth. You're not prepared for you. Don't know who you're dealing with. You don't know what the topic is. Sometimes they do pretty well anyway. That's true. Aw It's true and look crowder is largely most of the things I've seen trying to argue the really in many respects the indefensible and he does well with some of these students. Not so well with others and we're only looking at the video that he wants to release too so well if he wants someone more age appropriate to debate him. The rest of the crew is available. Yeah there you go check with my mom but Stephen You can come on this program. You can record it you can. We'll do it live. I'm willing to go on your program. Cam Do it live. We can do it in another venue if you want. But you can hide behind the fact that you have more youtube a youtube subscribers than I do but it really sort of breaks down when you're willing to bake college students don't even have youtube channels if you want but we have this debate I will not monetize it. I will not put ads on that day. I will the monetize it on Youtube. You don't want me to gain any that if you're worried about losing your followers or your supporters that is fair fair. Because if I was you I would be worried about that. In fact that's the whole point of this whole point of this is to say to people who think that Steven crowder under knows what he's talking about begin to understand that if he really knew what he was talking about he wouldn't be afraid to defend it. So that's why we're doing this. And if you are a fan of Steven crowder's you should reach out to him and say hey man. There's two examples of you ducking Sam Cedar in an Embarrassing Way and look how many times the two examples you get documentary and audio evidence of something like that right right never. This is somebody who's super super nervous about fragile super fragile now. Hopefully the algorithm rhythm will get it in front of some of those people's eyeballs. Yeah we'll see But folks Feel free to go into any of Steven crowder's it's a chat rooms link Hashtag cold feet crowder cold feet. A lot of people are saying. It's called feed crowder order. I thought it was disgraceful. And the fact that his friend Gavin worked so hard for him pretending to be Jim and he left him out in the cold like that. I mean I just thought it was very cowardly very sad. Maybe you should ask. His father baby's father should debate. This is a theory about people who a lift weights that in some ways that they are trying to like literally wrap them protect themselves. Awesome something that they're really worried about inside and I suspect that maybe there's something inside of Stephen that he is having a tough time with and it can come out and a lot of different weird ways lots of things so many China lifting some books next time. Well I think Until Stephen can look himself in the mirror and feel proud about all the things about him not have to worry about. Maybe Dad not accepting things about Stephen his limitations limitations or is perspective on things. I don't know I don't know I'm sure there's a sadness there. Let's go to this This exciting Oh let's just get this out of the way. Shall we folks as you know Steven crowder we did the We dropped the crowd or files the other day and We again encourage you to take a picture of your socks and help Steven crowder who who got cold feet And to send it to him as an inspiration for trim to get some maybe to warm his feet up and come and talk to us. I just WanNa say I want to thank all of you who have participated in this and I. I don't want to single out. Anybody who has been you know getting on Steven crowder to debate me but this guy. Obviously I'm so you know I've been a huge fan of his work in the film world and so I was really appreciated him weighing in folks. I give you Kevin Sorbo well Steven you got cold feet. I understand called fee. And you won't debate SAM. Now why were you not debate Sam but just to let you know Sam still up for it. So just call Sam and you'll set something up by if Stevens Dad won't don't let him for some reason. Sam understands he says he gets it. Aren't you should rewind that. I hope Nope I've done my job. And I'D BE REMISS IF I didn't promote my latest movie streaming on Amazon. Wake up to the part where he's where the part about the dad. That's incredible that was that's some very fiery dating rate the middle now we say Hat Tip to Listener Ryan who I think paid for this. I don't know how much you paid for. It could have been like Ninety Bucks Guy at Ryan wreck. RC Six six. Yeah I was thinking Kevin Sorbo was a fan of are not that sorry it turns out that Kevin Sorbo Doing something wrong with the are you not plugged in there. I plugged in with my phones. Are you gonNA plug that into the cord there. You go sorry well. We're going to play in the middle or feet and you won't debate eight Sam's wave to be Sam but just to let you know Sam is still up for it right. Just Call Sam and you'll set something up. But if Stevens Evens Dad won't let him too big for some reason Sam understand. Yeah that's that's my folks are not weighed in on this but it's possible they would also be like you don't don't debate Steve. Don't be it'll be you know. There's no reason to make him feel bad. And so we'll see but Stephen. I just wanted to know that you don't have to do this. Just because Kevin Sorbo says to do it do it so that people who watch your show. Don't think that you're just looking for college students to debate with do it for yourself. Stephen Forget Kevin Sorbo forget. Dad It just do it for you. That's all I'm saying. Forget Dad Act yeah. I know I've been critical of What's his first name and scatter got a moot? Because it's quite clear that after two and a half years he realized he was not getting back into the White House and he said well. Now how can I keep this. This celebrity train going. I know I will now become a an a never-trumper another wonderful never trumper. And personally I don't think he deserves the time of day or at least I didn't say the time out that dude because SCARAMUCCI if it'd be knows nothing else he knows does how to butter a guy up and I don't know if he's fishing around for an interview on the show or what I think we pitched him a while back But this goes a long way to it. Here is Anthony SCARAMUCCI basically calling out steven crowder again. I can't believe it good morning and happy Sunday This is a message for or cold. Feet crowder posit for one second. Let's go back to the beginning. I just want to say you know for him to also take time during his Sunday. He's obviously going up for Sunday. Drive you'll see in the video with his wife and she's great. The both of them were great But I just want to say that they really are. Say That's I appreciate that noted just not a- Sunday he did the research good morning in happy Sunday. this is a message for cold feet crowder and got booked by Cinco N- CASSANDRA's okay. So listen up. Stephen quit being a pussy in debate. Sam You gotta ask Daddy for permission. It is what it is. I Know Sammy teenager but you got to man up and do the right thing. Don't be a hack and a coward. CROWDER DEBATE SAM. The Alpha males the Alpha males are back. It is ridiculous ridiculous. Okay did you hear my way. My wife just said men are ridiculous man up man up into Beta guy okay. True Ms True. I don't like it. I don't I listen. You GotTa Ask Dad. It is what it it is right. Now listen I of course being soy would have appreciated be a little bit less gendered you know not I just man up but person up but whatever anthony is going to deliver it in the way that he's going to deliver it and so there you have it you gotta ask we. Yeah all right place. He's gotTa ask You Dad. It is what it is for the ages. Do you have. Did I send you the clip of that thing. Gosh darn it I noticed this and I gotTa tell you. Oh it's actually it's in the slack See if you can pull that up. It is an the image and I just want to say look. This is not here. Put it right in here to wait. That's not it sorry. That's a different one here. It is this in regards to Crowder I noticed this now. I don't know if somebody sent be this or if it came up on some type of feed or something but pull this out Apparently League there is a thing called. Yeah just put it into the chat. There's a thing called. I don't know what they call this. It's some type of trend trend thing here it is. Yeah and it's a Gives tweet meet engagement stats and here is the tweet the tweet that Steven crowder did join US tonight. APM Seven PM for the L. WC livestream with pinterest whistle blower Cochran. I don't know what that means and half Asian lawyer. Bill Richmond. Good stuff very funny. This was on October third and there is he's tweet engageme