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Jim Nagy, Reese's Senior Bowl Dir. & former NFL Scout

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

22:31 min | 1 year ago

Jim Nagy, Reese's Senior Bowl Dir. & former NFL Scout

"This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Shop. Our first guest his name. Is Jim Nagy? He's the executive director of the senior bowl. You see him on. Espn talking about draft prospects talking about the combine talking about his event the senior bowl as well. It is a pleasure to welcome to the sporting life. The Great Jim Nagy Jim. Thank you for being with us. Yes Jeremy's thank you for having me on. This'll fun so this is your second year as a commentator for ESPN on all things NFL draft. But you've been in the business. You're not quite as old as I am but we go back to. I think one thousand nine hundred ninety six when you were working for the packers as a public relations inter. You've had a remarkable career path. I would venture to say a unique career path in the field. Would you tell our listeners? A little bit about your progression. Yeah it's it's definitely unique Back in the mid nineties you know. I grew up as a kid always wanting to scout. Nfl in back in the nineties. There wasn't really a foot in the door path in scouting. They didn't really have scouting internships scouting assistant positions back. Then now most teams. Have you know two three or four? Those so it's easier to really the only way into the NFL Entry level position was through through. Pr Internship so. I did that that you're in Green Bay and ninety six in Green Bay. Yeah it was a good year to be in Green Bay with Brenten Reggie those guys and Very fortunate year and You know also have the good fortune to meet your your father Mr Dick SCHAAP and What was just a great year at that you know I was. I was really lucky. There was five future. Gm's on that on that packers scouting staff and Sat right there were five. Yeah I was still with Ted Thompson. John Dorsey John Schneider Reggie McKenzie and Scott. Mcclellan so yeah there was five future. Gm's and I was Fortunate once again when when John Schneider Got His first opportunity to hire and fire staff He made me as West Coast Scout for the redskins back in two thousand. I believe so that you know that it's one of the things you get your door and you start rolling. You work hard but Yeah it's been it's been. It's been great eighteen year scouting and then Two years ago two summers ago summer of eighteen I transitioned into this role at the senior bowl and It's been awesome. It's been a really fun. Two years do it this I still get to do. I love to do and that's evaluate players and and You know take on a lot of other responsibilities as well and including this. Espn stuff. I'm doing around the draft and And it's been great. It's been it's been. It's been a fun ride. We're speaking with Jim Nagy. He is an ESPN commentator. He can be seen all week on. Espn HEARD ON ESPN radio. Talking about the draft. Nobody knows more about this class of players coming out of college who will be available in the draft not to mention the guys working to get drafted but are gonNA be free agents. Jim Spent just turned eighteen years as an NFL scouts. He's been running the senior bowl for the last couple of years. You notice that Jim. I said Reece's that time I knew you would appreciate that. Or what? What was it like being a scout for two? Demi we stated touch. We've been friends for a long time and I knew it was your dream job but it's it's not an easy job. No it's it's not in. You know you get asked a lot when you're doing it. Oh you people find out what you do and ask if you love if you love doing it and you have to love what you have to love it because it's not easy again there. There's a lot of hard professions out there not making not trying to make scouting sound like you're curing cancer or anything else. But I mean there's a lot of difficult jaws but it's not glamorous Just because you work in the NFL like that's it's the furthest thing from glamorous. You're you're on the road you know. One hundred seventy five two hundred nights a year and you're staying in courtyards at fairfield crisscrossing the country and A lot of acquaints. It's a Lotta Mary points. That's a that's a. That's a bonus. I'm lifetime titanium elite with Mary out but but you know it's one thing when you get started in the business you're young guy you're on your own but you know when you get older and you have you have a wife and kids and then it gets really hard. That's that's when there's a lot of pressure to the job But it's you know it's it's it's a great occupation. You know you stay involved in the sport that you love and you have input on the draft process which again was was my goal growing up just to help build a team that was always really captured me with the team building aspect more so the coaching people ask why did not get into coaching. You could just the building building the team really really what what got me so no it was It's not easy but it was a lot of fun and this senior bowl job again. With the reason I jumped at it was it was an opportunity to continue to do what I what I really enjoyed But not be on the road as much. Be More you know. Be Present more from my family and Again eighteen years only got never got to make a pick and now I get to make one hundred and twenty six year. That far fen fun. It's interesting the leaves change so much. And there's so many younger coaches coaches with different backgrounds. From what it was like when you were getting out of school in the mid one thousand nine hundred if you're that guy today instead of say one thousand nine hundred ninety six. Do you think coaching would be an avenue? You would consider it. Maybe maybe I I don't think so but it. It's changed a lot. Jeremy and this is You know the whole the whole football world. This is skewing a lot younger. These days. Coaching got a lot younger. I mean when I started scouting as in you know. Twenty five twenty six. I think it was my first year on the road. And you go into some of these. You Know College. Buildings and and every single coach on the staff was twenty years older than near the younger guys in the staff at the in their forties. And that the older guys it'd be in their seventies and now it's just because what recruiting is nowadays and and social media in in doing the recruiting thing on social media. I think really squeezed. You know the older generation coaches out of it in the same thing has happened with scouting. Same exact thing You know the advent of the laptop really really Squeezed a lot of older older scouts out. Which is unfortunate 'cause I used to love going to schools every day and showing up at school couple. Older guys from another team would be you know in the film room with you watching film all day and it was just great to pick their brains and hear stories that It was that was really fun. Part of it and you know when I got out of it two years ago I mean here I'm in my mid forties and I was one of the older guys down the road So now it's really. It's really been twenties and thirties Dominated on the scouting side so That's just it's it's that way across football. We're speaking with Jim Nagy. He's the executive director of the senior bowl. He spent two decades in the NFL as a scout working for the Patriots. The chiefs the seahawks Super Bowl rings. Do you have Four yeah it was really really lucky we went to six six superbowls one. Four of them and The the two we lost Was the one was the David tyree catch from the giants beating the Patriots. Grace play in the history of football indisputably and then back in the same building in Arizona. with the SEAHAWKS I lost the one on the Malcolm Butler play against against the Patriots when I was in Seattle stuff losses. Those were those were the two. I lost so my my wife jokes if I got back in the NFL and the team. I was working for his lucky enough to go back to another super bowl and it was in Arizona which we just stay home gym on during the draft. It's not one day It's several days of course during the draft as a scout when those calls are being made By the general manager by the team president whoever has the title in the Authority at that moment and in their Make a decision about a player. You scouted what what's going through your mind as a scout in that moment you know. Jeremy that's that's an interesting question because it it. It really varies on. What team with So every team does a little differently. some teams have really small draft rooms? Where they'll be you know just a couple key decision-makers my time in New England you know very small room it was it was Scott. Dot Coach Belichick Ernie Adams. Who's who is Coach Bill Checks. Kinda right hand man and our college director was really like four guys Mr Craft and then you go into the flip side the other end of the spectrum and Seattle. It was the entire Scouting Department When we got close to making our pick the coaches came in and it was very collaborative. Even right up to the time. You're on the clock You know John Schneider the GM there did a great job of making everyone feel a part of it and You know he would come to you as you know. We're getting ready to make the pick and and ask for your final sign off on the player and things like things of that nature so It definitely varies from team to team. But when you're with the team that that makes you a part of it It's a great way to end the process. Because you do as we as we spoke about you put so much into the fall in the winter and the spring. Finally get the draft day It feels good to be a part of it. You know one of the big questions. And you're down in Alabama Is How you assess to a tongue. Vilo right now who had a remarkable career but has suffered an injury And there's so many question marks or there could be how do you how do you look at him right? Now is a draft prospect or Jeremy. You're right. He had a remarkable career living down here when he started his career. I was still in the NFL. And and I've seen to play a ton of football over the years and had a great career But this hip injury and Kinda volume of injuries It's a. It's a difficult thing reconcile right now. And that's what that's what teams are trying to go through So you know a lot of it right now is on everyone's medical staffs and this is. This is the part of the process where the medical people and the football people butt heads a lot during the pre draft process. 'cause you you a lot of players and then the medical people come in and do their evaluations that fail. Good players physical So you have a lot of Heated debate in the buildings between those two staffs. But that's all it is. You're trying to figure out. Could figure out what the injury is. In what the likelihood of reoccurrence with this hip 'cause that's That's a pretty serious injury you know if it's just football. I think the guy is going to be a really good star. I think most people would say that But you know the injury thing is real It's it's a roll the dice and what I've tried to do is bring it back to the to the year. Nineteen Ninety six when I met you. And your father in Green Bay Brett Farve. He was a guy when Ron woolfe you know. Brett was the third stringer in Atlanta that rookie year after they drafted him and didn't look like his career was going anywhere in Atlanta. And Ron woolfe wants to trade for him well. The medical people in Green Bay tried to block the trade and Ron had veto power and I made the trade goes through You know 'cause. The medical people had failed bread on. His physical theory came out of southern miss so And obviously we see how that turned out he was. You know the the game's all time Ironman so it really is it really is a roll the dice for team and I can see it going both ways. You know. It's GonNa be interesting to see where he goes. That's kind of the main sell thought of this draft. I would say hey. I saw you tweeting the other day. I think it was after some of the stuff that had happened in. Houston with Bill. O'brien but imagine what the reaction would have been. When Ron woolfe traded a first round pick for Brett Farve back? What was it one thousand nine hundred eighty one? I think that was the question you were asking. Yeah just loved the reactionary the reactionary tone of of social media right now and right now bill. O'brien he's Kinda the the punching bag. Every every it seems like everyone wants to be the first one in on on on. Bashing Bill. O'brien Judas. He makes a move but You know I guess it's the Ron woolfe example Brett. Farve example is You know just showed us. Maybe we should wait and let these things play themselves out. I know I know when you. You Trade De'andre Hopkins who's one of the best players in the league and some of the other moves that made It's a lot. It's shocking to some people that sometimes. Sometimes these things turn out differently than we all think Joe Boroughs going number one But he's as we know not the only quarterback available How do you grade the quarterbacks and there is so much emphasis as always more than ever? I should say on the quarterback position. Yeah generally I do think this is a class especially at the top. It's not very deep I don't think you see you're gonNA see a Lotta guys go on day three But up at the top all four guys that are being talked about up there Joe Borough lsu to Justin Herbert from Oregon in Jordan. Love from Utah. State all four of those guys you know in the right situation can be really really good. Nfl quarterbacks and I would I would throw Jay Chrome and they're a big believer in Jake from an in jalen hurts Has made a really Nice Roz through this process. So it's really good at the top usually. There's a couple of guys in every class that I feel like just going back to my time and scouting I felt like we're really inflated and overdrafted and I don't think that's the case with any of these guys I think all of them Have a ton of talent and can be high level. Starters you know in the right situation. It's such an independent physician if all goes to Cincinnati and they don't throw them with a lot of a lot of good pieces We've seen going back over time. And the David Carr Enjoy Harrington and players it ended up really bad situations You know they can get shellshocked early and never recovered so I just thought that You know all these guys in Atlanta in a situation where they're surrounded and they have a chance to be successful we speak with. Espn draft analyst. Jim Nagy this is our sporting life. Nfl draft specialty draft. Coming up Thursday Friday and Saturday and you mentioned Jordan love from Utah State and I noticed again on your twitter. Feed this week You think there might be some misdirection out there. Some people claiming at least one person out there claiming that he shouldn't even get drafted. How much subterfuge is there? When we're looking at public comments from people in the League about where players might go how much how much of it is posturing. Yeah that's the funny thing now that I'm not out of the League Misinformation and smokescreens that you know that people talk about when I was in the NFL. And just knowing the guys I've worked with we didn't really pay attention to it so I don't know who it's really affecting. I Dunno I all this stuff gets out because I I really don't think the guys in the NFL pay too much attention to what's being talked about. you know publicly in the media but there is a lot of crazy stuff that comes out this time of year. There really is Jordan love. He's not going to get drafted. That's that's crazy talk to me. I mean the kid you you I mean. He's a little polarizing because his junior tape and senior terrorists. I'm sorry a sophomore tape in his. Junior tape is so different You know especially numbers wise but It's easily explainable. When you look at the background of the of the circumstances and you know losing a lot of players and coaching change and and whatnot. But there's GONNA be guys arguing both sides. He would he would probably be the most fun guy is drafted being a draft room Just to hear the debates and the conversations about him. Because I've talked to a lot of guys I respect in the league and and there's a little bit of variance but no one sees the guy like outside of the late first round or the second round. It's just you know how early you would wanna take him because there are those concerns but yeah this this time of year is crazy with some of the stuff that gets out these. These two weeks leading up to the draft. You almost have to ignore most everything here Jim when you were when you were a scout and you were part of the decision making process for teams about who to draft and maybe one day you will be again What you listen to you. Listen to your heart. Listen to your head. It's obviously got to be some combination of those factors. But what are the things that really matter for you? When you're making those decisions that could be so consequential for the future of the team and for the player? Yeah I you know I think there is a there is a gut instinct there. There is an intuition there when it comes to player valuation But I just feel like it. You gotta go back to the work that you put in. And that's why the fall is still important because you're out of the schools and and I probably told you this privately before Jeremy that teams have been with that have made mistakes players or you know Near PLAYERS JUST NOT PAN OUT I. It's it's a lot more to do with the person than the player The easier part is is watching the tape and figuring that out the harder part is really figuring out the person because you don't really have a lot of time with these players that he even he talked about the pre-draft process January February march April and the lead up all star Games. Combine it really per player. You don't get that much time to to to figure out million a million dollar investment North these quarterbacks twenty five thirty million dollar investments so you really gotta rely on those people that have spent time with these these kids throughout their lives going back to high school or youth sports and into college Those are the people that know him. And that's why the relationships are so important from a scouting perspective That's why you have to go into these schools and and and and really develop those relationships because you have to get the real scoop you have to you have to get You have to get good information because that's what you really have to rely on people that know them best because you just don't get a chance to to know him like you should before you make such a such a consequential consequential decision on these guys You gotta go. You GotTa go with Your Gut. You gotta go with the information and you just gotTa keep asking questions through the process you never. You can never feel like you really know the player I mean I think the the teams I worked for that. Did it best. You know we worked at thing all the way up to draft a you know we were always making calls and follow up and trying to reach out to as many people as we could. How thorough is that vetting process? How far does it go? Is it like an F. B. I? Background CHECK I mean. He's there You know are there. Investigators or is it really scouts and coaches. Were just calling people who know the player in question or is it more professionalized than that No it's you know Jeremy it can get to that level for sure But most players just start you know from from personnel department level in this couch that go through the school But then if you start to uncover some red flags definitely you can get You know every team as a security person on staff and a lot of them have. Fbi background Cia backgrounds and they have their contact. So yeah it can get to that level as well there's always More than a handful of players in every draft where you're enlisting you know sources even sometimes To help you out through the process and local authorities you'll reach out to local authorities and the different college town so You know 'cause sometimes stuff gets buried these schools don't want everything getting out and sometimes you'll have to measure but yeah I mean just you know any measure you can take to to figure these guys out. You're going to do it because the worst thing that can happen and we can cite a lot of different examples but you know players that have been drafted and then things come out subsquently right after the draft. You know that makes the team look like they didn't do enough homework to me. That's the most embarrassing thing is when when character guys get taken and I think Kristie Peter was a probably the most high example with the Patriots back in the day after he got drafted And You you don't want that to happen. Yeah and then they. I mean that's stuff was out there right. But after Myra kraft You know found out about it. After he had been drafted by the Patriots. They released him And that was apparently a decision. That was very much driven by hers. I recall don't have that right. Yeah I believe you're right. That was well before my time there but I will say during my time with the Patriots. That was that was kind of a deal. Breaker anything Anything domestic related violence against women that go off the board. If there's anything domestic and that that stems from from Mrs Craft Will Jim. It's always a pleasure before we let you go. We're GONNA Tanenbaum on later as well and I'M GONNA ask him. The same question is there. Is there one guy in the draft? You have your eye on Maybe other people aren't looking at the same way Who you're eager to see performing League You know there. There was a couple from the senior bowl that you know. There's some guys that come down here that just S- really pop out and a guy to me that you. I think he's probably going to go in the second round somewhere in that range Meld have him in his second round. I got after Mel the other day but that I it is Michigan linebacker. Josh Luce and Josh is the guy that I felt like with the second best player down here in mobile at the senior bowl behind South Carolina's Devan Ken Law. John's going to be a you know probably going to be a top twelve thirteen. Pick in You Know Josh buried a little bit at Michigan. He was behind some good players. You know last year they had Sean Gary go in the first round of the packers and chase win to the Patriots in the third so he kind of played in rotation with those guys and But if you look at his production for snap fifteen and a half sacks over the last two years in his playtime percentage compared to those two guys was significantly less so whenever they asked him to do anything and and be productive get after the quarterback he could do it and then he came down here to mobile showed what he can do and coverage so he. There's not many linebackers that can cover and affect a quarterback. Josh can really do that so You know just looking looking outside the first round that not. Everyone's talking about right now. I would probably say Joshua J. from Michigan Jim. Nagy were the smartest guys in football work in this week as he did last year for. Espn is a draft analyst. He's the senior. He's the Executive Director of the senior Bowl Rhesus senior bowl as he reminds me and spent two decades in the NFL as a scout. Jim It is always a pleasure. Thanks so much for having joined us. Yeah Jeremy thanks for having me on. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN APP. Beginning at six. Am Eastern time.

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Dari and Mel

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"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Hey mel. Good good Saturday morning to you. It is Dorian Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Always presented by progressive insurance. August you in a shell Pennzoil performance line. I am not sad making a great mood today. But I can't get overly excited on the good Saturday morning or it is the hot list later because I am struggling to maintain any semblance of a voice if any of you are an SEC country or you'll watch SEC now on Thursday night. I apologize. Mel you should have heard that mess. I had no voice. I got sick at the draft. And then it's now like that stage where you feel great, but you sound like garbage. So anyway, by the way, anybody ever wonders what in the heck we do when we're not on the air. Literally seconds before we come on the air. We just played Mel something. That's thirty five years old that you somehow have never heard. I will say talking after listening because. Was worse in the eighties by the name of hoof hearted hoof hearted. If you wanna find it go watch, it some more bring it. Bring it. All right. So we're going to get into a four overtime game in the NBA playoffs last night. We're going to get into what Milwaukee did in Boston to silence all of the bucks doubters out there. But real quick because you, and I you and I have not done a show together in a couple of weeks. This is the last one we will do together until August because you're thirty seven weeks vacation commence his next week. Stop so Nashville how did that do that did while the only word you could say is unbelievable. I mean, they have six hundred thousand people over three day period. And a mother always said never never worried about always worried about your ass. Dress can get you sick. Yeah. Remember, there was a window was are you seeing draft or he's saying giraffes not draft draft. I thought you were talking about the tall. And we got sick from the draft. I always said she was always at your ass when I was a kid like a draft in the window. I. It gets you stiff knacker and get sick from Taran don't lay on the floor because you get a draft. So the draft it'd make you sick that I still think you're saying giraffe, but for now, I'm not. But anyway, we had a great time as you did and everybody Nashville unbelievable. The be down there. And to see the sights it closed off lower Broadway. And obviously and go to all the very with Dirks Bentley's bar on Tuesday night. Can learn Alex, and I all went down there. And had a great time. We went buzz Brainard at the highway does a great job there. You know, the the music that plays on the streets is professional. You would not know that these aren't who these these groups are that just play all day airport. Live music twenty. It was everywhere. It didn't. I never had never been there. And of course, you hear all the stories about what it is. And how great it is. And when you're there sometimes it's got a place. That's not what I thought. It would be everybody kind of built it up. The hype was was phenomenal. But the actually experienced was just okay. This was hyped to the hilt in the experience was off the charts. And I think now Las Vegas next year for the draft has to try to follow this city hard. It might be that. I could look let me tell you this luck. Trying to beat with Nashville did the any city in this country, you hosted for TV, I hosted for radio. I am the least Vegas person you'll find we've talked about it. I mean, like I'm going to be the idiot trying to sleep at at at night in Vegas. Make sure but. The party should be great. The seems should be great Nashville. You know, I thought Philadelphia was the best ever seen certainly in person. Nashville beat it Nashville is the best. It's a city. I I really have enjoyed I go there every year for the SEC basketball tournament they're five or six days every year. It's a special city. That's different Broadway is sensational. And I think the country got to see that much of the world got to see that so props to you Nashville well-done everybody in Nashville that came to Nashville, I know enjoyed themselves. It's more than just a city that has become a hub of bachelorette parties. Now, this is a this is a city where people from the north are moving. It was used to be Atlanta. Charlotte has taken that role some Nashville and Charlotte together or taken that role of places that are desirable to live in that low cost lower cost of living. Tons to do great weather. Great people people are coming down. It's a great city and everybody got to see it so props to your Nashville, Tennessee, gory male ESPN radio ESPN app. Four overtimes. I four overtime game in NBA playoff history since nineteen fifty three Celtics over Syracuse nationals red arbox first postseason win was clinched as the Celtics head coach there. This was Portland al-ass allocating Denver in a thriller. One forty to one thirty seven so wild there when it was over out in Oregon blazer head coach Terry Stotts seemed unclear of what had transpired. I have no idea what happened in the first half or the second half or the first three overtime and Rodney hood came in and played great. It was a hell of a game. I've never been involved in a game like that regular season or playoff is amazing effort by both teams was one and a half since we played. Played a game and a half. So let's get one point five. How much we still have to get the four. Yeah. Unreal. I mean of all of the great numbers that stood out from this game. I'll tell you the one that stood out more than any other gory ESPN radio ESPN app. Nicola Yokich played sixty five of sixty eight minutes sixty five now, we've all watched Nicola Yokich gay Nicola Yokich is not Zion Williamson here in the conditioning and shape department. Now, he gets up and down the floor. He's an unbelievable player. He's the best passing big, man. I can frankly remember in the last decade or so he's an incredible player who is for anybody who has them on their team. It's fortunate. This dude is not the definition of a beach body. And he's still he played sixty five minutes got another triple double. Obviously that'll happen in sixty five minutes. But he he played his tail off. But it was Portland and CJ McCollum. Namely that got them. Two one win and lead in this series. Yeah. And I looked back Dory. Rodney hood who was referenced by the coach exceeded expectations in the series is understatement. He's nineteen points off the bench seven of those points came in the fourth overtime and seventeen points a game shooting almost fifty seven percent the series. So Rodney hood has been a guy that has been spectacular and unexpected fashion. And then you think about these two teams are we thought both these things would make it at least. I did we thought. Yeah. Okay. Right. Antonio. So I didn't think San Antonio. I did I thought standing on Tonio would win that series. I thought okay see that we both did. And here we are with this series, which has been so far greater don't think about the pressure. Not just in this series now on Denver. You can't go down three two one. Boston's under pressure Houston's under pressure Toronto's under pressure. There. Must win games for every series coming up where you cannot afford a loss. It's going to be really interesting to see those four how many actually get. What they need which is a victory or else. They're going to be in a lot of trouble. Well, and you know, this is the part I hate about where the NBA is right now with Golden State, and I hope it completely breaks up. I hope the warriors are a shell of their former selves when this is all over. Okay. When this season ends because I sit here, and I watched Denver play Portland and his greatest series as it is and the atmospheres and the buildings have been electric, and it's great television. I continue to ask myself. Does it matter? Does it matter can one of these teams beat Golden State? I hope so God, I hope so, but I don't know how much in the end it matters. But what it is? It's it's great enjoyable television. Forget this from Elias sports, Seth curry fifty five minutes on Friday between points between points. Fifty five minutes the largest span between points in a playoff game over the last twenty seasons. Nothing there were all kinds of marks in this McCullum with the forty one points, huge in the in the overtime periods. In fact, Mel in the. Author. I three overtimes Lillard and McCullum scored every one of Portland's twenty seven points. We know that's how they win with guard play. But listen, the fact that Portland is doing this like I wanna see Portland with use of Norwich, and we're not gonna see that they would be far more dangerous team one. I would look at as a potential threat to Golden State. If they had that big boy in the mill well that candidate cantered you love, I mean, you live with your shoulder. He's got the injuries playing through that. He's come up big is averaging almost twenty points a game over ten rebounds shooting almost sixty percent Kanter with the injury has still been spectacular. And I think the the fact you mentioned some of these themes and what they're doing. But the surprises even for Golden State. I think it was about what they're getting in this series from Andre good Allah, Draymond green. How much more they're getting from those two than they usually do get mentioned Rodney hood, and what he meant look at George hill for Milwaukee. What he's done. The contributions off the bench from a veteran who during the regular season. Yeah. Didn't do much twenty one point on he average eight points during the season. So some unexpected standouts have allowed these teams the move on and get some victories where that's what playoff time. Is you expect certain guys always be showing up? But there's always that guy. You can't figure is going to do what he's doing and in some of these series. We've had that no doubt. Unbelievable, Portland up to two one in that Western Conference semi-final. We'll get into why Boston is in massive trouble coming up against Milwaukee. We remind you the NBA playoffs are on ESPN radio. Tune into night James harden, and the rockets host Kevin Durant in the warriors presented by indeed rockets down. Oh, too and that series. Coverage begins seven thirty eastern on most of your ESPN radio station. Let me give you a quick run through some of the well, we've got coming up on the show twenty minutes. We dive back into the NFL draft with NFL draft analyst Jim Nagy, Stephen a Smith going to join us to talk a lot of NBA. But I'm sure we'll get in to the giants drafting situation coming up at the top of the. Our ten o'clock eastern. Tim Kirch in talk baseball, a special guest at eleven eastern because it's your last show for allow mailman at eleven thirty. You're just gonna have to ride with me on this one because they are. I think the story of either NBA or or NHL postseason right now the hurricanes just swept the islanders. This was a team left for dead for months ago. They had no chance now there in their conference semis. And a former Stanley Cup champion a superstar there. Captain Justin Williams of the hurricanes going to join us coming up in the eleven o'clock hour, so all that still ahead coming up Milwaukee over Boston. Why how what's it mean? ESPN radio ESPN app. Wouldn't tracking the domestic dust bunny? You come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to soaks due to suddenly scurry off what's ugly fascinating about the dust bunny? Is that all though, they are not actually sensual creatures when they the Kyko not only saves people money, but also has ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating. This obvious to them. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer. Oh, no. It's the dust bunnies. Only natural predator on the long dust on his run along. Thank you, Dr. Ian, Molly ESPN radio ESPN app. Good to have you along for the ride. Always presented by progressive insurance. Quote, by and save on home insurance with progressive, new, homequote explorer only at progressive dot com. Melman remember a few nights ago? Boston goes into Milwaukee game one they beat him by twenty two points. They put everybody on Janas Janas couldn't find freedom inside Janas. Couldn't do what you honest does. And what he's always done and everybody said all Brad Stevens found the formula help immediate help juggle right short-lived because in game two no walkie beat them by twenty one. And then last night in Boston game three one twenty three one sixteen Jaanus thirty two points in every one of them came from the paint or the free throw line. There is no answer for Jaanus because what Brad Stevens devised in game one Mike buttonholes are in company adjusted to and now suddenly Melman if you were a betting mailman, you're not taking Boston and win the series, right? Not right now. You're not. No, no, no. And I think you think about. Kyri Irving and shooting the basketball eight for twenty two a little hero bollocks last night. I thought at twelve for forty the last two games sell for forty for kyri twelve for forty Gordon Hayward. I mean you like seven rebounds you like five or six given them off the bench right to of eight though shooting on Friday three for thirteen the last two games. That's not getting it done. Al Horford you like to see them look for shot a little bit more Dari. He's had sixteen shot attempts in game. One guy gets Milwaukee. He has combined eighteen over the last two games. Okay. So get sixty one game. He's got eighteen eight on Friday over the last two games. So certain things that you expect to happen aren't for the Celtics Irving shooting the ball a little bit better Hayward better than what he's been which has been awful shooting and Horford look for your shot a little bit more. I I don't get that dorrie how you can go to games I understand one. But how can you as a coach player not make it a? Point of emphasis to say, hey, you got to look for your shot the Utah. I always say is their communication. You. Gotta let guys know at some point say it happened one game. It can't happen onto. We can't have a guy not looking for shot more than that. So to me, I don't just paint players playing coaches and athletes for the Celtics. It's been a kind of a joint effort eras. The why they're they're sitting here in Brigham of being down to two one. That's I have no problem with that. I think that's absolutely fair. Janas took twenty two free throws that was not lost on. Boston's Kyrie Irving when the game was over. Kerry, what was the cause of that third quarter? Ron did you did you feel like you guys may have gotten caught up in some of the calls that were going against you? I mean, it's inevitable. You know, God comes down almost six times in a row against freak. Does you know, what are you really going to do slowing the game down? So the run that you would hope to make and quarter. Like that doesn't happen. I mean shot twenty through twenty two one on the game. I mean, this is getting ridiculous at this point. Yeah. Sloan Sloan game now. So yeah, I think you said flipping there, by the way Boston was up one going into the third Milwaukee scored forty points in the third took the lead in that game. And then ran and held onto that in the fourth quarter one twenty three one sixteen win. Kyrie's downfall began now when he was my assistant coach here in Charlotte and all star weekend at the Special Olympics unified game. He and I are great team held on to edge out Peter burns and Damian Lillard team. Okay. So apparently that started the fall of kyri. While the tough loss here in Charlotte. Started the rise of Damian Lillard who's now up to two one in his conference semifinal game. I I also think there's a level of as greatest stories. The Milwaukee story was all year. I don't think anybody respected them because all season. Even when Boston was struggling and Boston was taught, you know. There was was that was their in-fighting where their issues with kyri with you know, like where Gordon Hayward disappeared to whatever it may have been. There was always this thought chemistry will solve itself in the playoffs. They'll be able to flip their switch, and we thought maybe they did in their first series and in game one against Milwaukee. And there was this assumption by so many that Boston would take care of the bucks especially after game. One just writing off Milwaukee out there too young, right? They have not been in this situation before and that is true. However, you know, I was just driving around yet two days ago. Like, I in the mornings, I'll drop the kids off I listened to a lot of NBA radio on Sirius XM, and I love their seven. Attention. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna I'm going to go in public, but it's Frank Sola and Brian calibrating. And I love listening to those two because it really good together. Kind of like you and me mailman and scowl was talking about there were talking about the Sixers, you know, and then they're going to move on past this series. And then they're gonna play Boston. And how do they match up with Boston yada, yada out? There was not one second of possibility that they gave to the fact that it Philly wins, they'll play Milwaukee. It was they'll move on and play Boston. Milwaukee serves a heck of a lot of credit for what they've done the last two nights adjusting to the way, Boston was going to defend you on us by saying we're going to keep him in the paint y'all can keep trying, but we're gonna get him looks in the paint. He'll get himself to the paint. He's incredible with the ball in his hands. Even when he's standing well outside the three point line. He creates his own dunk in about two steps. He is unstoppable. You will not slow him down for a seven game series. It's not going to happen. And it's not all clicking for the bucks. I'll get to that in a second. But Janas gay. I'm one he got to the foul line ten times to your point. This is where coaching comes in and player game. One. You get to the foul line ten times last two games. He's been there. Forty times twenty two last night. That's coaching. That's a player taken upon himself to have a sense of urgency. Hey, I'm the guy stopped me your family. You think about Eric Bledsoe? Okay. Issue in poorly. He's not putting the ball in bit four fifteen on Friday. Second time in three games. He shot less than thirty percent yet, Milwaukee still one Middleton's been sharp shooter. He's been great. So it's not like Milwaukee's got everything clicking if Bledsoe's start shooting it better. Good luck. The boston. You're right. You're right. So one twenty three one sixteenths of Milwaukee after last night is up to one on Boston Portland is up to one on. Denver course. Philly leads Toronto to one and tonight on ESPN radio game three as Golden State leads Houston to zip Jim Nagy, executive director senior bowl in NFL draft. And let's going to join us his take from Nashville. It's ESPN radio. I think that's for you. Oh, man. Little country from your good first experience in the music city last week, and we'll be my last, and it will not sure we're planning we actually. Either good this summer in the fall. And we'll go went to Vanderbilt game. Maybe a titans game if I can coordinate that perfectly. That'll be a great Friday Saturday Sunday in Nashville would that'd be before. After you. Come and see us in Charlotte that would be before. Yeah. Of course, it would Dr Email. Always that presented by progressive insurance. Good to have you on this, by the way, less than fifteen minutes from now think your head, and it takes a little predicting on your part to the three most likely in BA finals MVP's, you gotta think about who you think a win it that'll be our highest that'll be coming up next. But right now, we at the shell Pennzoil performance line bringing in Jim Nagy, executive director of the rhesus senior bowl and the ESPN NFL draft analyst, by the way on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Jim, of course, all over ESPN during the draft last week in Nashville and was with us on ESPN radio myself, Mike Tannenbaum input Simmons on Saturday three seven hours of radio. Jim Nagy getting to experience all the glory and greatness of that, Jim and you're still with us. So good stuff when it was all said and done aside from what seven hours of live radio. Feels like what was the biggest thing you took away from Nashville? Good morning guys. Yeah. I'm glad we're doing a little less than seven here today off. Just the just the enormity of what the draft is become, you know, just the you know, they going into the weekend. They were calling for three hundred thousand people in Nashville, and you know, I don't know how they come up with the numbers, but being reported six hundred thousand I mean, just you know, there's the the all the talk of that the NFL the popularity is fading. That was a little overrated. I think the sports doing just fine, Jim. Cochran. Congratulations Ninety-three, and you tell me if my math wrong, Jim ninety three players who attended to senior bowl selected in the draft ten first rounders. And then the Daniel Jones situation where you see Daniel Jones having to go through all this negativity. Jim, we know it's not fair. But it's a reality of when you're picked and people react to that. You saw Daniel Jones. You know, how do you think that pick will work out? How do you think? Daniel Jones will handle New York. That's a that's a really good question male. Yeah. Unfortunate that that you know, he can't just enjoy kind of the draft process. And really I think was built up because they didn't pick Wayne Haskins Dwayne was built up so much, you know, really in the media. But when you talk to teams, I mean, really, you could go depending on who you talk to you. And I know you do the same thing mean those quarterbacks were all over the place. You know, some some people asking, you know, one or two something had him for them at Jones one or two some at him for. So I think Daniels going into a really good situation for him. You know might not have to play for a couple years. But you know, I think all four of these rookie quarterback's including drew lock. They're in good city. I I don't know if you wanna get any of them on the field year one. So I think they're all going into good situations where they can, you know, learn under a vet, and, you know, Daniels had a long relationship with with the Manning's. And that's been you know, that was you know, talked up talked up quite a bit through the process. But I don't think you can you. Downplay it I think it's going to be a really good quarterback room and learning for me lie, and I think he'll be just fine. I think if Daniel had to go and play right away with it with a roster. That's really not ready to win right now. It really had to take his loans to New York City. I think that'd be tough on any rookie. But it's going to be a good situation for Daniel. He's got a ton to work with in terms of size up. But if there's some smarts accuracy toughness, they'll they'll be able to develop them, Dr in male ESPN radio chatting with Jim Nagy, executive director recent senior bowl, and of course, ESPN NFL draft analyst. I mean, you saw these guys were the senior bowl so many of them came through mobile, and and you got to spend a lot of time with them. And you watch them over the course of the season to select them to your game. Who is a guy that was not taken on day one Jim that you think could become maybe the biggest star of anybody not taken on day. One three four years down the road in the NFL. Yeah. Dr that's that's that's a great question. We had just doing the number that most at ninety three to ninety three players. That's thirty six percent of the draft came through mobile. We're really proud of that thirty six percent of the guys started their journey in mobile, Alabama. But drew lock was a real surprise. I mean, drew is my favorite of the group of quarterback groups are for him to fly to the second round. And in Denver. You know that was that was a big time surprise other than that from our game. I mean, there's a lot of guys that went in that second third round area that I think are going to be really good players. But now just off the top of my top of my head. And I I was talking to yesterday Colin Sanders defensive tackle from western Illinois, really stands out, really let it get powerful. You put on you put on western Illinois tape, and he dominates you put on that. You know, they didn't play they didn't play up quite a bit. But they played Illinois that they then they couldn't block them either. And then he comes down to the senior bowl and and had a really great week. So to be in a rotation and Kansas City with Chris Dylan's, Derek. Nadi? I think he's gonna be be a real player to be reckoned with right off the skins. Did get your take on a team. I gave the highest grey to gave an Indianapolis, Jim. And I think they are. And there might pick the represent I'll give it away already gave it away. We always do our predictions. I think in the Annapolis represents the Super Bowl but rockiest sin. Ben Bana goo Bobbio Yoka reiki and the host of other players seven of the first eight picks defense your take on Chris Ballard, and what was allowed Bauer the handle this draft process. So effectively, Jim, you know, you saw last year strap you really turn out really. Well, this year's draft. Should tell us about Chris Ballard what we don't know at Christmas. Great at what he does actually reached out to a couple of days ago, just to tell them what a great job. I thought he did, you know? And I think it starts with their scouting staff. I give them a lot of credit. They've got a really nice staff. Chris Chris came in and took GM gentlemen. He wasn't one of these guys that just go to the place to bring in his own guys, you run it a couple of his own guys. But there was some really good scouts left in place from from you know, when Ryan Grigson was there. So they've got a really good staff. They work extremely hard at it just to watch him during senior bowl week. I mean, all the teams come down and do their due diligence. But the colts really it was noticeable. Oh, the colts, we're working at it. And you do you look at that draft Bobbio ca reiki it's got like a wingspan of a guy. That's six foot eleven or or, you know, six foot ten he can really run a lot like Darius Leonard last year who they spoke who they act I think that you know, Darius is a little more instinctive, but bobby's more fit go player. So the other thing. Here's a really good athlete. They're gonna play him off the ball at Sam linebacker when I did him in the fall. He really reminded me just movement. Derrick Johnson a linebacker. We had with the chiefs. When I worked there, you know and had a great career Pro Bowl career and rock. Yes. In another law. Yeah. What they really did. They address team speed. That is going to be a really really fast football team come the ball. And I would not you there's going to be right up there at the top of the AFC. Continue to child Jim nagging senior bowl executive director and ESPN NFL draft analyst real quick Jim before we let you roll out here and enjoy the rest of your of your Saturday. Cuyler murray. Lot was made of him going one. You know, I think most people thought that was the right move by Zona. What did you think was going to be the right move? And how do you think the Murray and ensuing situation with Rosen will play out for both teams? Arizona in Miami. You know, I really felt like and again a lot of it was because of of what came out of the combine in the way, you know, some of the things where questions were answered around the Combi that they kind of. To have to make that pick. But I think in the end of the day, it's going to be the right thing. Collared to me was the wild card in this draft. And again here is is a former scout. I mean, we always try to draw draw upon our, you know, our past history with players in our our Rolodex players. So he's really fifty. Because I I hadn't done one like him probably since went rent into on Randall l came out of Indiana, you know, twenty years ago, and and he was moved immediately to wide receiver. So, but what what makes collars specialist for undersized guy. The ball really jumped off his hand. He doesn't strain the throw it. He's obviously in electric athletes. So if you got a real chance to hit a home run with that pick. And that's with that that fan base needs that that team needs that they just did a just in Uson of of a playmaker. Because again, that's another roster. I don't just like I said with the giants. I don't know if the cardinals are are built to win right away. But he does give them hope. You know, you can he's one of those guys. It's been designed the perfect defense and call the perfect defend time ago, and he can he can break it down and make play. So I think it was the right pick, and, you know, only time will tell, but I think I think Steve kind made the I call them Brazil, head coach, great stuff, buddy. Good work with your last Sunday and good to talk to you again today. Jim great stuff. Thank you. Much. Guys. Thanks for this. Great good spending time in Nashville with you both cracks GMC about Maria's. Jim Nagy brought to you by Pennzoil the first synthetic motor oil made from natural gas. The proof is in the Pennzoil like by the way, let me give props to somebody. Mel who? I don't think gets many props and maybe it's deserving deserved. But I thought that what Josh Rosen did with his goodbye Arizona video thanking the people of Arizona kind of having a little fun welcoming Cuyler Murray congratulating Cuyler Murray thanking the cardinal organization. Even the part, the, you know, the little hey, Khaderah got a two bedroom place in, you know, ready. I it's going up for sale here. I thought that was great because Josh Rosen reputation has been one of its one of maybe more individualistic than team oriented, and I thought that was a really good. Good way to create a sparkling fresh start on his way to the Miami Dolphins. I think Josh Rosen deserves a lot of credit for that. And that was done on Saturday morning and good for him. And now, you know what I'm probably not the only one that's going to say. Hey, I'm rooting for Josh Rosen now because I would like him to succeed. I think he's got a shot here. Well, if he didn't before he has more of a shot now. Sorry, I think because of the fact that I think he feels disrespected and I think he should. And I said it last week. I think I like is who come in with a little chip, I think he should be a little angry. I think you should be out to prove a lot of people wrong. He's an division with Josh Allen and Sam darnold and at those were the three top quarterbacks along with Baker last year there everybody was talking about. And I think it's a great scenario for him people say, well, they can cut the ties it can only have one year. See what they have come on? I think rose and could be the guy moving forward for the dolphins back to the NBA. We will go who are the three most likely NBA finals 'em VP's. See if your choices agree with our story in Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Yeah. You heard Stephen a Smith there. He's going to be on our show coming up about twelve minutes from now Doria male ESPN radio. Great to have you with us voicemail, man. Trying to hang on. Now. It's hanging it the right? It's hanging on. Yup. Back to the NBA playoffs, and we will be with Steven A. And we all right now because. With a special heartless that kind of involves some predicting right? We're going to look ahead about two months. No about a month a little over a month when it's all said and done and somebody's hoisting up the NBA championship trophy who will be the NBA finals MVP, we're going three deep and without further ado. Hot. Done what bad Mike, Mike? You see Travis. Well, done well done you notice when Mikey sees the voicing of it. He doesn't jump himself. Like he does me every week. The timing. Couldn't have been better there. Wow. I can't. I can't do it. I can't do the it is I have no voice you'd be on your own for the last two hours. By the way, that I mentioned special guests eleven eastern. We don't know who it is. I think I do who who's your guess, I guess, I guess I'll tell you. Okay. Stephen a Smith ten minutes. Kim kurkin ten thirty eastern. Justin Williams, three times Stanley Cup champ canes swept New York Islanders last night. He joins us show. That's right. I'm making you talk hockey the caney axe want. Justin Williams on the show any will be they're going to conference final Mel a conference final. Melby back. He just went to celebrate. All right. Oh, sorry. Sorry about them. I've got off track. All right three most likely NBA finals, MVP's three two and one. This was easier than I thought it was going to be there wasn't much drama here from Email. What about for you? You wanna go number three three three. I'll go number three Jaanus is righty. Yeah. I don't know who's going to represent the Eastern Conference in the NBA finals. But if you had to Dari, I guess if you had to pick a team at this point you'd go with the bucks at best record in the NBA during the regular season her up two games to one against Boston. And they figure to get a key contributor dorey. Malcolm brogdon. We haven't mentioned now combatant yet on this show the expect him back from the injury lists soon. He's been sidelined since I believe early mid March mid-march mid-march the planner fascinates in his foot right foot. They make it to the finals in win than the only choices Yana. So you'll see how he gets to the free throw line. We've documented that game one ten times last two games forty times. He's unstoppable. Friday, thirty two points, thirteen rebounds, eight assists, three blocks, two steals. The guy is just off the charts. So if Milwaukee wins, and I think they can Jaanus would be the MVP. I'll put you on us at number three makes all the sense in the world. And I see what you did there. Number three for me. And I could understand how many honest there. And I debate having honest there. Maybe I'm giving the bucks a little more of a shot. Then you are Steph curry three though because I do think Golden State is the odds on favourite as they probably should be. I think Milwaukee's in the mix fundamentally opposed to going warriors at one and two. So I went with Steph curry at three because if it's not Durant winning it for Golden State. It will be Steph curry, I would think it would be Steph. Although Klay Thompson interesting I'll go Steph curry as the third most likely NBA finals MVP and with that we go to number two mailman. Who is? Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, honest would be if they go their finals and win for Milwaukee. Steph. Curry to me is too. If Durant isn't named the finals MVP for the warriors. Curry would be obviously the logical choice. And it's really Dr the one thing he's missing you think about Curry's career so far he's been part of with three NBA championships with Golden State, but he's never been named the MVP. So I'll go curry at number two, and I will. Liane us it too. I think we all kind of agree on this year. I mean for the most part it's going to be the same three names. There's not a lot of drama, but it kind of put a little bit of it made us, at least it made me realize just how unlikely it is that certain teams could actually achieve what we all think Golden State in the end will achieve if somebody other than Golden State wins the title, it'll be the bucks you agree with that. I agree with that. I'll go Janas at two, but number one most likely NBA finals MVP is, of course. Katie correct moment. No. I went somewhere else you did not go anywhere else. Now, there's no other way to go, but your favorite NBA player, which is you know, the Kevin Durant, and you'd think about Durant and Steph curry they've combined Ari to shoot fifteen thirty eight in game two yet. The warriors still got the win fifteen for thirty eight those two were combined Durant's average thirty four three in the postseason. That's eleven more than. Man curry their second leading score. So when you think about the rant. He's been named with the finals MVP the last two seasons. And there is absolutely no reason to believe he can't make it three in a row. So Dari is the PR man and the publicist I Kevin Durant, and that's your favorite player. And he's got the best chance to be and the. What are you gonna add that coach nothing? What do you want to add other than your full of garbage on the my feelings towards katie's nothing? It would be him. He's he's one. There's no I mean, I'm not going to go back greatness. No, no. You're absolutely right. Listen, I am willing to for the sake of this argument. Put aside the fact. Then he was fortunate to avoid injury when he jumped onto that bandwagon. I was okay. I can put that aside. Because he is the best player on that team. And he does take them to another level. And when he won his first title there. He was the best player on that team. And he's the best player on this team. Now, you know, here's what this highlights made me do made me realize that a four overtime game between Portland and Denver is great television. But doesn't matter. I mean in the end in the end it dozen because neither team has his shot against Golden State that whatever's happening with Philly and Toronto doesn't matter. Although I think Philly's a much more interesting team. And I hope they close out the raptors here in the next couple of games, and and move on because I they're fun to watch and Joel embiid's really fun to watch. But in the end Golden State's winning this thing, we know that heartless brought to you by Barbara, Saul. Hey, sports fans Barbara solo offering you a chance to score big. When you join the Barbara, souls shave club grab your premium starter kit for just one ninety nine today with code. Shave at Barbara, Saul dot com. All right. Stephen a Smith gonna join us next. He went hard on Daniel Jones. 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The Sporting Life: NFL Draft Special 2020

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

40:03 min | 1 year ago

The Sporting Life: NFL Draft Special 2020

"Welcome to a special. Nfl draft edition of the sporting life. Over the next hour former. Nfl SCOUTS GM. Nagy explains the most difficult part of picking the right players in the draft. I really think you make the majority of your mistakes on the person rather than the player watching the tape and figuring out the players the easier part of the equation. Hardest part is just figuring out the human. You know going from college to the pros where guys have more time on their hands. They have a lot more money in their pockets loss. Nfl injury experts to find. Your Bell describes the challenges that team medical staff Sir facing for players. You're not able to participate at the combine for various reasons. They did have about forty players. Who were supposed to go? Back April tenth for recheck that does recheck were cancelled because of the krona virus also former. Nfl. Mike Tannenbaum thinks the virtual draft. We'll have a major impact on one key aspect. I think where it gets a little bit. More complicated is with trees because betrayed. You're dealing with the team below you or in front of you and you're having multiple conversations at the same time so. I think trees will feel a little bit different this year. That's where people are probably the most Hung up this is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP wrong. Here's Jeremy Welcome to our special. Nfl draft edition of the sporting life. The draft of courses coming up Thursday night at eight o'clock eastern time. You can see it on. Espn AT ABC and the NFL network. You can hear it right here on. Espn radio of course. It's going to be a different draft than any of us has experienced before the next hour. We'll be talking about the draft with several experts. Our first guest is an old friend of mine his name is Jim Nagy. He's the executive director of the senior bowl. You see him on. Espn talking about draft prospects talking about the combine talking about his event senior bowl as well. It is a pleasure to welcome to the sporting life. The Great Jim Nagy. Jim Thank you for being with us. Yay Jeremy's thank you for having me on. It'll be fun so this is your second year as a commentator for ESPN on all things NFL draft. But you've been in. The business will not quite as old as I am but we go back to. I think one thousand nine hundred ninety six when you're working for the packers as a public relations intern. You've had a remarkable career path. I would venture to say a unique career path in the field. Would you tell our listeners? A little bit about your progression yeah. It's it's definitely unique Back in the mid nineties you know. I grew up as a kid always wanting to scout. Nfl in back in the nineties. There wasn't really a foot in the door path in scouting. They didn't really have scouting internships or scouting assistant positions back. Then now most teams. Have you know two three or four those So it's easier so really the only way you know into the NFL Entry level position was through through a PR internship. So I did that. That you're in Green Bay. Ninety six good year to be in Green Bay. Yeah it was a good year to be agreed with Brenten. Reggie and those guys and Very fortunate year and You know also had the good fortune to meet your Father Mr Dick Schaap and It was just a great year that you know I was. I was really lucky. There was five future. Gm's on that on that packers scouting staff and Sat right there were five. Yeah I was stupid Ted Thompson. John Dorsey John Schneider Reggie McKenzie and Scott McClellan. So yeah the future. Gm's and I was Fortunate once again when when John Schneider Got His first opportunity to hire and fire staff He made me as West Coast Scout for the redskins back in two thousand. I believe so that you know that it's one of those things you get your foot in the door and you you start rolling you work hard but Yeah it's been It's been it's been great eighteen years scouting then Two years ago two summers ago summer of eighteen I transitioned to this role at the recent senior bowl and It's been awesome. It's a really fun to do this. I still get to do it. I love to do and that's evaluate players and and You know take on a lot of other responsibilities as well including this. Espn stuff. I'm doing her on the draft and It's been great. What was it like being a scout for two decades? I mean we stated touch. We've been friends for a long time and you know I knew it was your dream job. But it's it's not an easy job. No it's it's not in. You know you get asked a lot when you're doing it only if people find out what you do and ask if you love if you love doing it and you have to love what you you have to love it 'cause it's not easy again there. There's a lot of hard professions out there and not making not trying to make scouting sound like you're you're curing cancer or anything else but I mean there's a lot of difficult jobs but it's not glamorous just 'cause you work in the NFL like that's it's the furthest thing from glamorous. You're you're on the road. You know one hundred thirty five two hundred nights a year and you're staying in courtyards at fairfield crisscrossing the country and A lot of weights. It's a lot of Mary out points. That's a that's a that's a bonus I'm lifetime Titanium elite with Marriott. But I know it's one thing when you get started in the business in your Young Guy. You're on your own but you know when you get older and you have you have a wife and kids and then it gets really hard. That's that's when there's a lot of pressure to the job But it's you know it's it's it's a great occupation stay involved in the sport that you love and and you have input on the draft process. Which again was was my goal growing up just to help build a team that was always really captured. Me was the team building aspect more so than the coaching people ask why to not get into coaching. Could just the building building the team really really is what what got me so no it was It's not easy but it was a lot of fun and this the senior bowl job again. With the reason I jumped at it was it was an opportunity to continue to do what I what I really enjoyed. But not be on. The road is much more present. More from my family and Again eighteen years in the league I got to make a pick and now I get to make one hundred twenty picks fun. It's interesting though. The league's changed so much. There's so many younger coaches coaches with different backgrounds. From what it was like when you were getting out of school in the mid nineteen ninety s if you were that guy today instead of in say nineteen ninety-six. Do you think coaching would be in avenue? You would consider it. Maybe maybe I I don't think so but it it. It's changed a lot German and this is the you know the whole the whole football world is is skewing a lot younger. These days. Coaching has got a lot younger. I mean when I started scouting as in you know twenty five six. I think it was my first year on the road. And you go into some of these. You Know College. Buildings and and every single coach on the staff was twenty years older than near the younger guys in the staff in their forties. The older guys it'd be in their seventies and now it's just because of what recruiting is nowadays and and social media in in doing the recruiting thing on social media. I think it's just really squeezed. You know the older generation of coaches out of it in the same thing happened with scouting. Same exact thing You know the advent of the laptop really really Squeezed a lot of older older scouts out. Which is unfortunate 'cause I used to love going to school every day showing up at a school and a couple other guys from another team would be you know in the film room with you watching film all day and it was just great to pick their brains and hear stories that It was that was a really fun part of it and you know when I got out of it two years ago. I mean here I'm in my mid forties and I was one of the older guys on the road So now it's really. It's really is in twenties and thirties Dominated on the scouting side so That's just. It's that way across football during the draft as scout when those calls are being made by the general manager by the team. President whever has the title in the Authority at that moment. And they're making a decision about a player. You scouted what what's going through your mind. You Know Jeremy. That's that's an interesting question because it it really varies on what team. You're with So every team doesn't differently Some teams are really small draft rooms. Where they'll be you know just a couple of key decision-makers my time in New England you know very small room it was it. Was Skopje Oleo. Gm coach Belichick. Ernie Adams who's who is Could spell checks kinda right hand man and Our College director was really like four guys. And then Mr Craft and then you go to the flip side the other end of the spectrum Seattle it was the entire Scouting Department When we got close to making our pick all the coaches came in and it was very collaborative. Even right up to the time. You're on the clock You know John Schneider the GM there did a great job of making everyone feel a part of it and You know he would come to you as you know. We're getting ready to make the pick ask for your final sign off on the player and things like things of that nature so It it definitely varies from team to team. But when you're with a team that that makes you a part of it It's a great way to end the process. Because you do we as we spoke about you put so much in through the fall and through the winter and the spring. Finally get the draft day It feels good to be a part of it. One of the big questions. And you're down in Alabama Is How you assess to a Tunga Vilo right now. Who had a remarkable career but has suffered an injury And there's so many question marks or there could be how how do you. How do you look at him? Right now is a draft prospect. Or Jeremy You're right. He had a remarkable career living down here when he started his career. I was still in the NFL. And and I've I've seen to play a ton of football over the years and really had a great career But this hip injury and Kinda volume of injuries It's a difficult thing to reconcile right now. And that's what that's what teams are trying to go through So you know it right now is on everyone's medical staffs and this is. This is the part of the process where the medical people in the football people butt heads a lot during the pre-draft process. 'cause you you love a lot of players and then the people come in and do their evaluations. You know failed them on their good players. Physical so you have a lot of Heated debate in the buildings between those two stuff. But that's all it is. You're just trying to figure out figure out with the injury is and what the likelihood of reoccurrence with this hip Because that's a that's a pretty serious injury you know if it's just football I think the guy's going to be a really good starter. I think most people would say that. But you know. The injury thing is real It's it's a roll the dice and what I've tried to do is bring it back to the to the year. Nineteen Ninety six when I met you. And your father in Green Bay free back to Brett. Farve he was a guy. When Ron Woolfe? Brett was a third stringer in Atlanta that rookie year after they drafted him and didn't look back. Career was going anywhere in Atlanta. And Ron woolfe wants to trade for him well. The medical people in Green Bay tried to block the trade and Ron had veto power and I made the trade go through because the medical people had failed. Bread on physical theory came out of southern miss so And obviously we see how that turned out. He was you know the the game's all time Ironman so it really is. It really is A roll the dice for for a team and I can see it going both ways. You know it's GonNa be interesting to see where he goes. That's kind of the main so pot of draft. I would say I saw you tweeting the other day. I think it was after some of the stuff that had happened in. Houston Bill O'Brien but imagine what the reaction would have been. When Ron woolfe traded a first round pick for Brett farve back in what was it. One thousand nine hundred eighty one. I think that was the question you were asking. Yeah just loved the reactionary reactionary tone of social media right now in right now. Bill O'Brien He's Kinda the punching bag every every it seems like everyone wants to be the first one in on on. Bashing Bill. O'brien dudas. He makes a move but You know I guess. It's the Ron woolfe example in the Brett farve example is You know just showed us. Maybe we should wait and let these things play themselves out. I know I know when you. You Trade De'andre Hopkins who's one of the best players in the league and some of the other moves that made It's a lot of. It's shocking to some people. But sometimes sometimes he thinks turn out Differently than we all think. Jober going number one But he's as we know not the only quarterback available How do you grade the quarterbacks and there is so much emphasis as always more than ever? I should say on the quarterback position. Yeah Jeremy I do think this is a good class especially at the top. It's not very deep I don't think you're GONNA see a lot of guys going day. Three but up at the top all four guys that are being talked about Joe Borough Lsu to Justin Herbert from Oregon and Jordan love from Utah State. For those guys you know in the right situation can be really really good. Nfl quarterbacks and I would I would throw Jay Chrome and they're a big believer in Jake from and in Jalen hurts Has made a really nice raw through this process. So it's really good at the top usually. There's a couple of guys in every class that I feel like you know just going back to my time and scouting felt like we're really inflated and overdrafted and I don't think that's the case with any of these guys I think all of them Have a ton of talent and can be high level. Starters you know in the right situation. It's such independent physician if all goes to Cincinnati and they don't throw them with a lot of a lot of good pieces We've seen going back over time. David Carr and Joe Harrington players ended up and really bad situations You know they can get shell-shocked early and never recovered so I just that You know all these guys in Atlanta situation where they're surrounded and they have a chance to be successful. We're speaking with the ESPN draft analyst. Jim Nagy this sporting life. Nfl draft special the draft coming up Thursday Friday and Saturday and you mentioned Jordan love from Utah State and I noticed again on your twitter feed this week. You think there might be some misdirection out there. Some people claiming or at least one person out there claiming that he shouldn't even get drafted. How much subterfuge is there? When we're looking at public comments from people in the League about where players might go how much how much of it is posturing. Yeah that's the funny thing. Now that I'm not out of the League All misinformation and smokescreens that you know that people talk about when I was in the NFL. And just knowing the guys I've worked with we didn't really pay attention to it so I don't know who it's really affecting. I don't know I all this stuff gets out because I I really don't think the guys in the NFL pay too much attention to what's being talked about You know publicly in the media but there is a lot of crazy stuff that comes out this time of year. There really is And with Jordan. People say he's not going to get drafted. That's that's crazy talk to me. I mean the kid I mean. He's a little polarizing because his junior tape and senior. I'm sorry a sophomore taping. His junior tape is so different You know especially numbers wise but but It's easily explainable. When you look at the background of the of the circumstances and you know losing a lot of players and and the coaching change and and whatnot. But there's GONNA be arguing both sides he would. He would probably be the most fun guy and his drafted being a draft room Just to hear the debates and the conversations about him because I've talked to a lot of guys I respect in the league and and there's a little bit variants but no one sees the guy like outside of the late first round early second round. It's just you know how how early you would wanna take because there are those concerns but yeah this this time years crazy with some of the stuff that gets out these two weeks leading up to the draft. You almost have to ignore most everything you hear when you were when you were a scout and you were part of the decision making process for teams about who to draft and Maybe one day you will be again what you listen to. You. Listen to your heart. Listen to your head. It's obviously got to be some combination of those factors. But what are the things that really matter for you? When you're making were those decisions that could be so consequential for the future of a team and for the player I you know I think there is a there is a gut instinct there. There is an intuition there when it comes to player evaluation But I just feel like you gotta go back to work that you put in. And that's why the fall is still important because you're out of the schools and and I probably told you this privately before Jeremy that teams with it if made mistakes on players or you know Near that'd players just not pan out. It's a lot more to do with the person the player The easier part is is watching the tape and figuring that out the hard part is is really figuring out the person because you don't really have a lot of time with these players that he even you talk about the pre-draft process January February march April and the lead up all star Games. Combine it really. You know per player. You don't get that much time to figure out million a million dollar investment With these quarterbacks twenty five thirty million dollar investment so You really got to rely on those people that have spent time with these these kids you know throughout their lives going back to high school or youth sports and into college Those are the people that know him. And that's why the relationships are so important from a scouting perspective That's why you have to go into these schools in in in in really developed those relationships you have to get the real scoop you have to. You have to get You have to get good information because that's what you really have to rely on people that know them best because you just don't get a chance to to know him like you should before you make such a such a consequential consequential decision on these guys So you gotta go. You GotTa go with Your Gut. You gotta go with the information and you just gotTa keep asking questions through the process you never. You can never feel like you really know the player I mean I think the teams I worked for that. Did it best where you know. We worked at all the way up. to draft. You know we were always making calls and following up and trying to reach as many people as we could. We'll Jim it's always a pleasure before we let you go. We're GONNA Tanenbaum on later as well and I'm going to ask him. The same question is there. Is there one guy in the draft that you have your eye on The other people aren't looking at the same way You know there. There was a couple from the senior bowl that you know. There's some guys that come down here that just really pop out and a guy to me that. I think he's probably going to go in the second round. Somewhere in that range Meld having his second round I got after Mel the other day but that it is Michigan linebacker. Josh and Josh is the guy that I felt like with the second best player down here in mobile at the senior bowl behind South Carolina's Devan kin law. Japan is going to be a probably going to be a top twelve thirteen. Pick in You know Josh got buried a little bit at Michigan. He was behind some good players. There's not many linebackers that can cover. Nfl The quarterback. Josh can really do that so You know just looking at looking guys outside the first round that not. Everyone's talking about right now. I would probably say Joshua J. from Michigan. Jim Nagy one of the smartest guys in football work in this week as he did last year for. Espn is a draft analyst. He is the senior. He's the executive director of the senior bowl. Reece's senior bowl as he reminds me and spent two decades in the NFL as a scout. Jim It is always a pleasure. Thanks so much for having joined us. Yeah Jeremy Thanks for having me on this is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. And it is a pleasure to be joined by our old friend and colleague at ESPN senior writer. Are Injury analysts for the last twelve years? He's here all the time on sportscenter fantasy show fantasy football now she also is the Co host of ESPN audio's podcast. Fantasy focus football. That is a lot of alliteration. Still find a bell joins us now to find your thank you for being with us. Oh thank you for having me Jeremy. So so how often right now at this moment in time with the draft just a few days away are you talking about one to Tunga vilo pretty much. Become a daily thing for me. I'm always checking to see if there any latest updates but of course since I spoke to his to surgeons. I've been talking about him quite a bit. So what do what? What should we know at this point about him? as the draft approaches. I think it's important to know why his authors feel as confident as they do because I'm sure there are people who are skeptical Saying well they're his doctors. Naturally they're going to say these things but Actually that's why it was important for me to have a call with them and talk in detail about what gives them so much confidence if you go back to win To injured his hip last fall he had that hip fracture and dislocation. One of the key things is that his hip was reduced or put back into position before she left the stadium and Dr Chip Route. Who IS THE SURGEON IN HOUSTON? Did to surgery said that They see an association with quick reduction and decreased risk of what's called ambassador and the closest. That's the thing that everybody worries about this type of injury where there can be reduced blood flow to the hip as a result of damage to the blood supply during a dislocation so the fact that it was reduced by seem physician. Dr Eliakim Stadium led to a better prognosis overall. But no guaranteed after the surgery and again the surgery was performed by Dr Out. Who Specializes in pelvic and hip trauma and repair so to him. To injury was very straightforward. Not a big deal whereas it could have been far more complex surgery for somebody who is doing it all the time. He felt like there was a repairs. They saw everything they wanted along the way in terms of healing both fracture healing and health of the joint. There's no evidence of cartilage damage so all of these things when you're three to four months out from the original surgery start to paint a better picture of the health of hip going forward and I think that's really for people who are concerned not just about how she looks on video. But what might it mean in terms of his ability for that hip to be healthy all those factors matter speaking with ESPN injury analyst? Stephania bell about to Tunga Vilo of the Alabama quarterback who is expected to be among the top picks Thursday nights. Nfl draft but some lingering questions about his health his recovery from surgery. Oh what can you tell us to find you about others who've had the same injury and their Rehabilitations you know. It's not that common of an injury so we don't have a lot of cops to go by sexually interesting because C. J. Moseley who also played for Alabama and then went on to a career in the. Nfl suffered a hit this location as well. Now he did not require surgery as I understand it But still the Rehab was there The concern about host dislocation issues. And the worry about whether he'd ever Be Able to make it back. Plus he obviously went on to be drafted the NFL and play at a high level so It's pretty unusual injury. The fact that I happen to another Alabama player in the not too distant passes some remarkable but both times it was actor. Lyle came who reduced that athletes hip on the field and probably help them to a better outcome overall. So you know the other thing. That's really specific to this type of injuries. It's not what you think in terms of Rehab. It is really about resting the hip early on because you have to protect the joint. You can't put too much weight through while it's healing and Dr Route is quick to point out to me that one of the things to a did really well. It's very hard for an athlete. Especially one who wants to get back and prove to teams that he's healthy. The first six weeks he had to do almost nothing. Really protect the HIP. Not Wait for it. And even until they had that three months before they were looking at the health of the joint. They were comfortable that he could progress his wearing. He was very limited in terms of the type of activity he could do. I think when you see these videos that he's put out his workout videos showing his dropbox his agility his ability to step onto that right hip and for across his body which requires rotation his functional strength and how he looks is very encouraging. Especially when you consider that he couldn't do much for over a month after the original surgery. It looks like If I'm reading this correctly Mel Kiper has has him in his mock draft at this point Going sixth to the chargers. Tuitonga Vilo the great gifted quarterback from Alabama. What are the other big injuries? The other players who suffered injuries that you're really keeping an eye on heading into the draft right now to find you you know. There's who is really the biggest name when it comes to injury Issues specific injuries most of the other Athletes that folks are talking about. It's really just a question of Can they stay healthy? There are some minor things the medical checks as we typically expect them to be significant for players who were Not able to participate at the combine for various reasons. You didn't have that much. That was substantial this now. They did have about forty players. Who were supposed to go back April tenth for recheck? But as you know there's re checks were cancelled because of The Krona virus pandemic situation what they have done And really it's a credit to The Professional Football Athletic Trainer Society. They've helped coordinate Video through players agents of them working out Demonstrating if you will but they are past whatever concerned defense for example. A hamstring strain. That might have prevented someone from running the forty at the combine Typically you'd WanNa see that in person. They couldn't do that this year but the hope. Is that the videos Demonstrates the teams who are curious but this player is back and able to perform As he as he was pre injury so Now I think a lot of the folks. I've talked to are getting a lot of their questions. Answered by seeing this documentation. That's been uploaded to a central location. Where teams have the ability to view it before it. Draft all kinds of adjustments. Obviously being made in this unique situations finding bell is ESPN's injury analyst and has been for twelve years. She will be everywhere for the next few days as the draft approaches enduring. Stephanie thanks so much for taking some time out to talk with us here. In the sporting life her thanks for having me. This is the sporting life on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. Draft coming up Thursday Friday Saturday. Espn ABC NFL network. You can hear it here too on. Espn radio and it is a pleasure to welcome back to the show. One of our favorite and most frequent guests man who used to run the jets and the Dolphins Mike Tannenbaum Mike. Thank you for being with us to be with Germany and hope you and your family are safe in doing as well as possible. Thank you sir. Same same for you and your family. Your this is going to be obviously very different. It is in I guess we're calling it. A virtual draft You know there's there's no central meeting place picture. Being made from the homes I guess of executives. I imagine summer. Probably go to the office to I. I don't know the exact details. What what are your heat. Were you hearing from your former colleagues and counterparts about how all this is going to work and what concerns. They might have yeah. I think everyone feels like within reason. They'll be able to make the picture. I think where it gets a little bit more complicated with trades because what trades you know typically Jeremy. You're you're dealing with the team below you or in front of you and you're having multiple conversations at the same time. So I think to the extent that trays will feel a little bit different this year. I think that's where people are. Probably the most Hung Up. What about the technology? I mean there must be concerns. You know seems like whenever we expect something to work a certain way and especially when you're doing it the first time they're going to be glitches. There could be major consequences right if if the technology of the cell phones aren't working right or the communication between the League and the teams cadel. I guess we'll be at home in suburban New York. I I mean there must be some trepidation out there. I would imagine you know there certainly is a and that's GonNa be multiple layers here. Jeremy and turns out they're going to have a phone as well as video conferencing. So I think what you're hearing from the League. The League is understandably usually fastidious. When it comes to rules and deadlines but I think they're going to have a lot more just common sense in terms of if someone if align drops where the video conferencing goes out for whatever reason that they'll they'll allow him team to make a pick because typically if you don't make your pick within the a lot of time then the next team can jump in front of you but nobody wants to see that happen this year especially just given the fact that a lot of these decision makers will be from their homes and not you know not all. It situations are created say. We're speaking with Mike. Tannenbaum he is the former executive vice president football operations for the dolphins general manager of the New York jets and now. Espn commentator. And I'm sure you're talking again a lot of Executives around the league I in general terms. Mike how is this going to? How is this going to work? I mean you said they're going to have phone lines. Obviously they're gonNA have video but you know if you're the guy making the decision in that moment you gotTa make the pick and you've got scouts and you've got coaches. I mean I know. Everybody has a different kind of draft room. How are they going to manage all just the communications when they're making those calls? Yeah usually a lot of this year and and candidly Ohio. This was done. You know even in normal times everything will be prepackaged. Which is you have a pretty good sense to say. Hey if if we have these four players on the board we don't make a trade. Let's decide ahead of time before we're gonNA take in exactly what order so just in case something happens and and you know we lose align. The video conferencing goes out we will we will have our decisions literally prepackaged and then if something really really weird would happen in those four players or gone for whatever reason you know then ultimately the general manager it just has to pull the trigger and you know as the steward of the franchise. What's best but I think you'll you'll see you know you'll have team say hey we're gonna go with these four guys these five guys in this order. I think they're probably a lot of people out there who are going to be watching the draft who who are inside some of them you know for the amusement factor are hoping to see some kind of a glitch when you're watching. Are you expecting to see something like that happened? I think when it's all said and done something will happen in somewhere along the line shot. You know two teams. We'll call it the same player or I mean. Look if if if a perfect than what? Let's tip our hats to the league and more people more poorly to the great. It people but at some point you know some some player baby got a call from two teams. It just seems like over the course of three days. And seven rounds. You know something can happen at say Mike. Many many years ago I was the host of drafts Not on ESPN. It was on the Internet. I it was the initial Israel Baseball League draft. I think it was the only Israel Baseball League draft and Dan do cat was in charge of the League. And we were doing it. I think from Cardozo Law School in downtown New York and it was all done over the Internet and he drafted for all the teams which is a different situation of I don't really know where I was saying other than I wanted to bring up the old Israel Baseball League virtual draft done before but it was less complicated situation and dare I say Less consequential we had Jim Nagy on the show earlier and he was saying that he thinks this is a great draft and he also said that he thinks you can get players in the second and third. It's a special draft in the sense that the the separation between the players are going to be available in the second and third rounds is not that great from the players available in the first round. How do you feel about that assessment? I think that's true at certain positions. I think it falls off quickly corner. For example I figure falls off quickly Pass rush as it relates to. Let's say receiver or running back. I think that's pretty much true so I think we're seeing a lot of strategy. I think we're still had a really really good receivers go You know in the second round guys that could come in and play and I think that's why you go back to veteran free agency Germany and we saw a lot of receivers. You get what they wanted because teams are looking at this year as receiver say like we should help ourselves. You know later on we you were you know making these calls yourself Mike. And you're assessing talent at the receiver position You know They're obvious factors the way into any kind of decision like that. But what were the things that were most important to you to really just a couple of things in character and once that's before meeting your baseline town like how good of a player are you. And then the character sets ceilings meaning. How hard are you GonNa work? Will you avail yourself to resources to make yourself the best player possible and the more and you can have a high floor and a high ceiling? That was out you know. Obviously the best case scenario but I think this year we're GonNa see in particular is. I believe we're GONNA see a lot of high floor. Players meaning players aren't risky players. That should for whatever reason have at least a solid career come from big schools You don't have to project a lot because not being able to get your hands on these players as much as you typically can I think is going to lead to a little bit more conservative decision making so it really benefits Those players who are on national TV every week played at big programs. That's what you're saying in the small school guys. This is not a good situation for them and I think for players like to a really unusual situation with their injury and doctors not being able to examine the player. I think it's going to hurt him in particular even with all the other ways that you can assess that and all the other ways. They're trying if if they can have their own doctors it. It's just another question mark that doesn't get answered and so it affects it. I mean that all makes sense. Yeah and and and again. Because you're you're dealing with such consequential decision making In terms of taking that player in the top five I think this year that injury is going to be hard to draft up player. So high we're speaking with Mike. Tanenbaum formerly the general manager of the jets at the head of football operations Miami Dolphins more than two decades in the NFL now espn commentator as the draft approaches Thursday night and we talked about this earlier in the show as well Mike. The the talent versus character equation and talent is much easier to assess. Obviously when you talk about character and when you talk about adaptability The situations one faces as a professional athlete in the team environment. everything else How how do you come to decisions as an executive that you feel comfortable with assessing those things when you know a so much of it has to be guesswork? Yeah I think character ultimately in life? Germany comes down to how you treat people. I can't help you treat the waiter a waitress. The bus driver the cab driver and when you're with the team you work really really hard to try to figure that out. So that's the part that you spend a Lotta time with you. You rely on your area scouts. I was in an interesting situation. Going back to twenty sixteen where Laremy. Tunsil had a video. That came out shortly before the draft. He had obviously hit a bump in the road. And we we. We relied on his character from his area. The area Scott's report it was very good and he was a good personality. Made a mistake. We drafted him. He was the best player. Count watched refresh my memory. Mike I remember vaguely tunsil video. What was so. He was smoking with a gas mask on and It just looked awful. At the time the optics was terrible and You know a lot of teams were scared away to drafts the player. Even though he was he was the best player in our board. He was the best player on team. Sports and It became a great opportunity for us. He fell all the way to thirteen. And we literally the best player on the board at thirteen without making a trade. Who's the guy out there? This year that as an evaluator of football talent. You're excited about who falls into kind of the sleeper category. Well I don't know if he's asleep more but Sibbon's because you know Jeremy we talk a lot about how there's like position less players now on offense deebo Samuel or even tyreek Hill Christian McCaffrey to a certain extent. Those are positioned less players on the officer of the ball. I think is as soon as could be on defense. He says a good athlete. He could move around so much I think he's a guy that really could play A number of position so I can't wait to see what he looks like actual where does he end up spending most of his time lining up though the the Isaiah Sims the great player at Clemson? I think he'll start off. Probably a safety but athletically. He do so much he can walk out and tell her receivers. Bantu man he can blitz. He can play in the box. there's there's very few people like him if at all and He he's he's a lot of fun to watch. And I know you know just being around some really creative defense coaches people like ESPN REX. Ryan or Eric Mangini. Every day every week that game playing look a little bit different and I really I really excited to see what he can do as a pro player. Well it's going to be an interesting drafts in many respects Mike. We always appreciate your insights. You're on the show. Thanks for taking the time for us. Okay thanks so much have might Tanenbaum the former NFL executive and currently ESPN commentator the NFL draft. Of course coming up Thursday Friday Saturday. You can see it on. Espn ABC and the NFL network or joint broadcast. This time for the first time he can secure it on. Espn radio. Thank you for joining us here on the sporting life for our NFL draft special. Thanks as well to our guests. Jim Nagy's to find you bell and Mike Tannenbaum and as always to our intrepid producer Dan's Esky.

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By the way. Speaking of me just finished, a very media conversation with Jim Nagy from the senior bowl today will be part one next week, we'll have part, two part, one is really all about his career in scouting, how he got a job how he moved up the ranks the two organizations. He and I were with at the same time everything that went in to Jim getting the where he is now. And then part two next week, we will really, really dive into the senior bowl itself, what it means. Why it's so important. What the time line is what's next Ford, if you love the. College draft you love this scouting process. Well, you're listening to the right podcast, number one, and number two, you'll really enjoy both aspects of the conversation with Jim Nagy from the senior bowl. Here's part one well as promised extremely excited about today's guests a guy that I guess I kind of knew since my rookie year and two thousand one I think he might be the only person I was ever a member of Turgen ization with in the scouting part of it. At least it's kind of funny, we never really talked about it, and really ever only had a couple of conversations, but he is now the executive director of the senior bowl does a terrific job there. I mean, the senior bowl has just taken off and he didn't outstanding job this past year and was a scout for almost twenty years before that he is Jim Nagy, Jim, what's up man? Iran. Sorry about, hey, I gotta start with this because I go over this all over this all the time with matinee being from where I'm from in Pennsylvania. Nagy nagy. What are we going with? I go Nagy because it's easier you know, I'm not one of the I could go the other man. Really? Honestly, it whatever whatever's give you I'm fine. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna split hairs over it. I'm good. It's funny, because that's been like a major issue in Chicago, where half. The people say, Nagy half the people say Nagee, and I guess Matt told people it's actually like, hey, like Nagy. So it's actually even if it's even harder. It's in between. Well, if you go back to the motherland in Hungary, it's pronounced nudge. So, yeah, it's kind of obscure name here in the United States, but it's actually Smith. If you go over to Hungary, it's the most common surname over there. So. Yeah, we'll, we'll go, what whatever works raw down. All right. So I wanna start Jim we're gonna make this a two parter because I wanna to do a whole episode just on the senior bowl and what an event and business. That's become. But I, I wanted to kind of give people your background. I know a lot of it and actually looked up some of it, but I prefer to let my guest kind of tell the story of where you grew up. You know what did you play and kind of how did you how did you into this business? Yeah. Well, we got a little time. Usually doesn't fit radio show. It's doing podcast. No, I grew up in northern Michigan and a place called traverse city you know, people like that's how I got into scouting, and I tell him really in the NFL, the only advantage that I had with that, I knew and I wanted to do from the time out about six or seven years, old, honestly, grew up around the game of football, and my dad was a coach then what he's stepped away from teaching and coaching we moved to a new town and just by chance there, the kid who I became best friends with his dad was the varsity coach at that school. So just, you know, grew up, you know, two days and, you know, being the equipment manager when I was in elementary school, and running water bottles out at time out and all that stuff that just grew up around the game and then grew up playing it. You know, played a lot of baseball and basketball in high school as well. And when I got done with high school, my only opportunities. To keep playing with with small school football division two division three. So this was pre internet. You couldn't just get on and Google, you know how to become an NFL scouts. So I had no clue. It was just, you know, I idea what I was doing. And I got waitlisted at the university of Michigan. So I was really planning to go play division three football. And once I got into Michigan, I figured, oh, well, that's how people must do it. They must work for, you know, a big, big powerhouse football program or something like that. I really again, just had no idea. And then I went to Michigan for, for four years. My last two I went down and volunteered. And the Atlantic department did a lot with the football team did some stuff on the weekends with the basketball team networks would come into town to make a little money. And then I get sent out resumes and cover letters, really. And back then there was no internships, and the scouting side of things and your only your only way to get your foot in the door was through the. Office. So then out resumes and cover letters to all the PR department through on the league got rejection, letters back from all of them, and except for the Packers and the Packers called and, and brought me over there for training camp. And it was the year. They won the Super Bowl in ninety six and at the end of camp they needed they needed extra help for the year. So they asked me to stay on. And really that was the it was an unbelievable year and all I did was whenever I was done with, with my PR responsibilities for the day. If I've got a break in the day, I would go up to the scouting department, and, you know, bother John Schneider, and Reggie McKenzie to sit and watch tape with those guys and there was five future GM's on that staff. So it was just one of those right place, right time, meet the right people type of thing. And, you know, when you when you broke in not out of Princeton in Washington, that year that was my first year on the road is a scout. John Schneider had been hired to be the right hand guy for mardi Schottenheimer. And in John. Annette control to, you know, put together personnel staff to he hired me to scout the west coast that year. So that was my first year in the league that is awesome. So you know what? I really resonate with that story Jim because my dad's five nine one hundred seventy pounds. And so I actually kinda grew up thinking that I wanted to be like a broadcaster or a like a writer for Sports Illustrated. So if I hadn't gotten, you know, as big as I got and had the opportunities that I had, you know, I can absolutely see myself having to make the decision between playing division three football or basketball or going the like a Syracuse New house school or something like that, for the broadcasting part of it that would be really difficult. I mean, think about your background, your dad, how much like you love football. And you basically voluntarily stopped playing early or prematurely. I would imagine they had to be a pretty a pretty difficult decision because I can just picture myself having to make that same decision. Yeah, it was Ross. It was hard. You know my, my freshman year at Michigan, I barely I, I went to like a game or two. I had a hard time just going and watching guys that I you know, went to camp with the summer before, you know, and they're out there they're out there still playing. I couldn't bring myself to do it. So, yeah, it was it was hard, you know, and I would more often more often than not, I would I would go see my buddies that we're playing around the state of Michigan at other levels of football and just go watch those guys play. But yeah, it was hard. But just like anything, I knew I wanted to get to, and I thought I was doing the right thing. You know, I really did in hindsight. You know, if I would've known there, the, the NFL absolutely littered with guys that played D to indeed three football. You know, I was in New England for a long time with Nick Caserio and Josh Daniels and Josh mcdaniels those guys were teammates at John Carroll. You know, had had I known I could have went that route and got former years the plan and those memories that would have been awesome. But I've no regrets. Everything worked out everything worked out the way, I dreamed it. Would I got it the NFL and had a good almost two decades, and it was it was an awesome Braun but yeah, it was it was hard at the time being eighteen and just knowing you're done, and that's, that's the hard thing about football, and you can, you know, basketball, you can play pick up hoops somewhere. You know you can get into into an adult baseball league somewhere. But when you take off the pats, it's over, you know, and, and, you know the, the truly blessed they're the ones can take them off, you know on their own own accord. That's the tough part when you're kind of forced to take them off. But yeah, it would have been fun to play a little more. But I kind of felt like I had to do what I do so. And obviously it worked out, and you made a great decision. I, I wanna get to it's funny. How often I talked to somebody who has a job in sports that they have a similar story to you about writing a letter to every team, you know, to try to get in, and then you were these. You were in public relations or media relations public relations for that one year yet. So what it, what it John Schneider? And Reggie McKenzie think when the public relations guy was in their office all the time. I don't know. I mean, I, I, I think John appreciated it because you know he had a similar path to. I mean he played division three ball over at Saint Thomas in Minnesota. And just grew up a lifelong Packers fan. You know, he's from Green Bay and doing he came when he graduated college. She basically, you know, stocked out, Ron woolfe in the parking lot of lambofield. And you know, you know, begged him for a job to work for free. So I think he under I think he appreciated where I was coming from because I was just, you know, I, I did what I had to do to get my foot in the door. You know. And then once I, I had in there, I was, I was focused on what I wanted to do. So I don't know that those guys and they're, they're probably annoyed by me. I tried to do it the right way. But I'm sure they were times there were like, what's this PR young PR kid doing up here? I don't know John and I'm talking about that long time. So I guess my other question there is you go to the Redskins. And Marty Schottenheimer is given total control your organization, he hires John Schneider. Who I don't even know how old he wasn't two thousand one but he looked young. I mean really he was wanting nine twenty nine years old twenty nine basically. I mean he really was the GM. I know Marty had alternate say, but he's neither was really running the show so you get the job. You're so excited you get this opportunity and that year we start out Owen five. We go on win the next five to get to five and five we finish eight and, you know, Dan Snyder fires. Marty Schottenheimer at the end of the year, which really set the franchise back for years when he brought in Spurrier, then when did you did you leave on your own accord, or were you let go in that whole? Team change. Yeah, that's a that's another. That's another twist. Yeah. I would tell people Ross that team like you mentioned, we started Owen five and then turned her own at five and five, and I remember Chris Samuels, Stephen Davis were on the cover of Sports Illustrated after that bit win. And we're the first team in NFL history to do that. Dr toe, and five and go five and five, but I honestly felt like Marty Schottenheimer should have won coach of the year that year considering the you know what we were playing with what the roster looked like. And as young as we were in, you know, just trying to get things turned it instead he gets a pink slip. So just that's kind of that's the Redskins in a in a nutshell, though over the last twenty five years. I I really felt like mardi was going to get that team turned around really quickly. But yeah, so what what they wanted me to do the new regime that got brought it. And they wanted me to I just moved my fiance out to the west coast. We're living in Arizona doing the west coast and you know didn't even didn't even. Have a ring on her finger when we moved, and they wanted me to move to Washington and work in how they I don't know if they felt like I was ready to be on the road. I was twenty six years old. You know, maybe I wasn't you know in hindsight him. It's a grind and, you know, but they wanted me to move in house, and, and work in Washington. And I said, well, I just moved it's girl a year ago. She's now, my wife of, of sixteen years. But is there any way that I can, you know, look for something else that would keep me on the west coast and then God that how I didn't know a lot of people around the league? But I I call Jason light from is working at the patriots at the time the GM and the buccaneers now. And just calling the people that I knew, and see if they had anything open and thank God Jason. Yeah. We actually have a west coast opening being go down and talk to Scott, the elderly, and he calls back. Five minutes later. He's like, yes. Got like to bring in for an interview and when out there a couple of days later and got that job. So I didn't I didn't have to. To, to DC able to stay out in Phoenix and due west coast for the patriots. That's awesome. So what's interesting to me about that? Jim is Crimea from wrong. But the patriots typically like to hire guys with no experience. Right. They don't they almost don't want you to have worked for another organization because they want you to teach they want to teach you their ways rather than whatever was in your head from Green Bay in Washington, my off on that or is that kind of that kind of accurate. Yeah. I think that we're it's gotten to roster. Sure with with that game they like to promote from within. But that was you're talking about two thousand going into the two thousand two, then that was truly at the, you know, the inception of, of what got in go spellcheck where we're building out there in New England now like current day. I don't think they would go that route, they'd probably have someone in the pipeline. And again but again going back that far that was right about the time where teams. Started to hire scouting assistance and have have like intern type positions in scouting. So I don't even know if they had one in the hopper. You know, ready for that role in how so you know, the lucky thing for me with that one against this white place, right time? It's one of those things that, that, you know, maybe some young people can learn from, they had a I was living out, west still working for the Redskins that's spring. And there was a pro workout for a wide receiver from candidate Martinho Richter, and it was up in Salt Lake in, because I was on the west coast. It was cheaper to fly me up from Phoenix, and send someone from DC. So I go up to that workout. And you know, I'm just like any young guy. I'm just looking to do anything. I'm doing his height of doing his weight. I'm you know, you know measuring off the forty I'm doing basically doing my best to help run this pro day. And I was real Scott bueller. He happened to be at that workout there that day and he just took a mental note if this young guy from the Redskins. Going around trying to get stuff done. And so when Jason light, walk down the hallway and said, hey, I've got a guy that, you know, looking for our west coast job, he said, who is it? And Jason said Jim Nagy and Scott like, Yup. I remember that guy from the, the Mark Boal Richter pro day. Let's bring him in. So it was I was really lucky. That's got there that day or he wouldn't have known who I was. So it's just is one of those things you never know who's watching you. When you when you're in the NFL, you can always make a good impression. That is unbelievable. You know what I remember the most about you, Jim? You probably don't remember this conversation. But I'll never forget you because I remember so I came into England and five and then they had some injuries. They signed me, and then oh, six I resigned there and I can't remember who it was. Oh, five. I wanna say it was the spring of. Oh, six probably before the draft. And you were probably in town for draft meetings. And yeah you were in the cafeteria. The patriots cafeteria, and so was I and we kind of looked at each other, and I knew you look familiar, but I didn't really remember your name players don't interact with scouts very much certainly not college outs. But I think maybe you recognize me or something. So I knew I recognize you. I just know your name, so we started talking and do you remember what you introduced me to that. I never heard of before. I do. Remember our conversation by don't remember that. I do I do remember running into you. But I don't remember what you're what you're what you bring it up. Now you were the first person that ever told me about pro football talk dot com. Really? Yeah. We were talking about something, and I was just getting my information from KF L. And we might have been talking about something about the Redskins or the draft or whatever. And you said where do you get your information from mice fell? And I said an and you said, have you ever looked at pro football talk dot com. I said, no, I never heard of it. And you said you should check it out, and I remember you saying that I hear that there are some owners that, that's the first thing they read when they wake up in the morning. And I remember thinking. Wow. Okay. So I started reading pro football talk, Dan. And obviously never stopped. It's become a behemoth and really big deal. But I remember you're that I never heard of it. So you mentioned it to me. That's funny, brought up. K F L that used to be an awesome sight as well. I go to that every day. But you've got unbelievable memory Ross. That's, that's incredible. Yeah. My wife would disagree, but yeah, I do. I don't know why. But I always remember, you, you tell me that. All right. So so then you work with a bunch of different teams. For eighteen years now you're with the senior bowl and I'll get into part two next week, specifically the senior bowl stuff, but the one thing I did want to ask you in part one, which is more about you is why, why the senior bowl why why this job and why this job now. It was just way too good of an opportunity to, to. We vetted mobile my family spending mobile for twelve years now. And you know mobile in the home of the senior bowl. So the job comes open last may and my phone just start. Slow enough. I was actually out on a jog and a buddy of mine who who works for the dolphins text me, like, are you going after this thing? And you know, get thrown around, like what is he talking about? So I call him. He's like, he's like getting the senior bowl job just came open. So, you know, I, I had a talk with my wife and, and I said, you know, are we going for this thing and she's like you're darn right? We're, we're going for this thing. So I call John Schneider, who's, you know, my Boston Seattle, and I it was the it was an easy conversation because, you know, first and foremost, I consider John, good friend, and he totally understood, and he, you know, he loves my wife and kids, and we're we're very quotes, and Jimmy, you gotta go for that. Who do I need to who do I need to call? So, you know, I'd say, John, I just I don't wanna be, you know, going back to when, when I started scouting Ross, there was the professions gotten much younger over the years. Used to go to schools when I was a twenty six year old first year scout, you'd go into a school, and there'd be a seventy five year old guy in the room and a sixty eight year old guy in the room. And, you know, I used to ask those guys all the time like what do you have any regrets is there is there anything looking back on your career, you regret and to a man in one once one form or another? They would talk about family time and, you know, just be present being president, for your, your wife and kids when you were home and, you know, all the stuff you miss, and if there's ever a chance for you to, you know, get home and be home for something you have to do it, even if it's making a sacrifice of a long drive. So the family thing always really resonated. And, and, you know, I always took that to heart, and I've got a son who's starting to play high school sports now and you just miss a ton. You know, it's a great profession. I loved what I did all those years, but it's really it's really hard. It's hard on a family. And so to have an opportunity where I could still do. What I love to do, which is evaluate players, you know, and really get a chance to build build rosters. You know, and was in, but stay in mobile and not travel as much. It was too good. So I, I saw Jonathan John, I have to go for this thing. If I'm not there guy, I can live with that. But it but, you know, I at least have to go for this thing, so he was great. And the ball got rolling, then I'd some good help from Ozzie Newsome and some other people in the league that are close to the people here in mobile there that, you know, run the senior bowl. So, yeah, that's, that's kind of it was really family decision. And, and I feel really lucky that it worked out. Well, you're doing an awesome job, the social media stuff obviously what happened with the game last year. You're you're doing an incredible job and absolutely should be commended for that. I guess the one, quote, I saw from you which I thought was interesting is that, you know, if you ever want to be a GM, you know, having to run an organization and have a budget and everything that goes into that are really skills that you don't learn if you're a scout on the road, and I thought that was really interesting because I, I know from my experience, you know, I see GM's get jobs that really aren't ready for the media part of it, or really, frankly, I, I see him. And I see what I think our major mistakes on the financial part of it. They can evaluate guys. But I just don't think that they know the money part of it, that, well, at least some of the contracts, I see then give out to people, and so on some level, you're at least gain, the experience of actually running a pretty big operation. Yeah. You know, I would during the transition when I was coming in here. Someone did an article with Phil savage, my predecessor and film made the comment that he wished. He had this senior bowl job prior to getting his GM job in Cleveland, because he felt like he would have been a lot more prepared and better at it. And you know now that I've been in this role for a year. I mean, I, I would not not that I ever had GM job to compare it to you. But I can see where this job is so beneficial to get not comparing to NFL GM job in the stresses that come along with that. But like you said, you know, in terms of, you know, managing people and handling a budget in the media, and the public speaking, and everything that's involved with, with this job, down here in mobile. You don't get any of that when you're in the NFL, because to me, you know, anything short of that GM chair, they can pay you more money or give you a fancier title. But, you know, you're at the end of the day, you're, you're, you're an evaluator you know. And I've had. Friends get GM jobs that, you know, I've seen them really struggle with the media part of it even on radio. You know, even being able to get on and do radio interviews. They've struggled with because you're never put out there. You never put in front of a camera. You're not used to it. Not that they can't do it, but you're kind of thrown to the wolves. So, so, yeah, I mean this this job's been great preparation for anything that may happen in the future. But I I'm truly loving what I'm doing down here because again, there's, you know, some days, I wish it was more football. I mean I haven't seen a player watch taping about two weeks. So I mean there's there's you can go to long stretches out doing what you really love to do, but it is it is great preparation. And you know, in frankly, I was getting a little rough scouting. Anyway. You know, you've been at schools all the time and being on the road. I mean it was like I said, it's a real grind. So this has been this has been great experience. I've had I've had a blast with it. That was awesome. I'm already fired Bharti thought of another question. Ask him. Part two that I did when we were doing I was like, oh, I should've asked part one, so I started part two with one more question regarding whether or not becoming a GM in the NFL is really a meritocracy. You're not you're gonna wanna listen to par to hear his answer to that. And frankly my answer to that. You also weren't gonna want to go to bed online dot AG, if you haven't already, you could just use the glorious promo code podcast. One ending that gives you fifty percent for free is glorious and I love it. And that's where we're at with the promo code podcast. One, boom podcast, one at Beddoe online dot AG v place to be, but online dot AG podcast, one make baseball more interesting or start placing your college football bets. Go ahead and do it. I think we're done. Here gets kicked world tapped out. 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Jim Nagy (Part 2)

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I think you'll really enjoy part two and have a much bigger understanding for what the senior bowl is and really could be Jim last week, was amazing really enjoyed our conversation excited now to dive into a little bit more. More of the senior bowl because I think everybody listened to this podcast. The college draft podcast knows about the senior bowl but doesn't really know about I do have one question, though, before we get into the senior bowl stuff just kind of reflecting on what we talked about last week. Do you think how much of a meritocracy to you think? Scouting front offices and get and becoming general manager is like I think players is a pretty player is about as close to Ameritech, or see as you're going to get now there's some stuff with guys that are first round picks versus undrafted in whatever you were brought in by this regime, or whatever, but for the most part, I think being a players pretty close to being Ameritech or see how close, do you think the NFL is in the front offices like GM's like, you know, the thirty two guys that are GM's thirty two best most qualified guys in the w-. World to have those jobs right now. That's a really good question, Ross it real-. It really is. I you know, I don't wanna make it selling them taking anything away from the guys that have those jobs. But I'll just say that there's a lot of there's a lot of good scouts out there. They've been doing it a long time. And for whatever reason just not gotten their shot, there's guys in scouting roles right now that even from an evaluative standpoint, you know, could easily handle that GM job. So that's a great question. Ross it really is a great question. I it's been interesting to see over the last twenty years, which guys kinda get moved up through the ranks, which guys don't because again, I you read all these future, GM lists, and everything. And, you know, again I'm Ben in draft Ben in draft rooms with a, you know, the majority of those guys that are on those lift right now and just thinking up top of my head of, of guys that are. Aren't on any of those lists are so far off radars from the media standpoint but are really really good scouts. Great evaluators really good at schools, with coaches, you know, the essence of the job. I mean I it's interesting to see who who who gets on that track and who doesn't. So I don't know if that answers, your question, but, but there's a, there's a lot of capable guys out there, that, you know, for whatever reason, just get get stuck in and scouting roles. No, I think it's well said, and I tell people because I get asked about it by my friends or whatever, and I would say, I don't mean this is this respect to the guys that are general managers, Jim. But I guess, I would just say, you know, I've had enough conversations with enough, general managers to know that some of them are really not overly impressed. I guess is the best one, like I just I think people like to think about these multibillion dollar organizations. I think some people would be surprised at some of the people that are hired to run these multibillion dollar organizations is probably the best way describing it seems to me like the most important characteristics, you can have our number one working for the right organization, whether that's the patriots. Or maybe the eagles now or the ravens. I mean there's only certain teams that they really take guys from there's not, you don't see a lot of guys going from, you know, certain franchises and be getting a GM job through the front office part of it. They just don't. They just don't take guys from certain franchises. And then also, I think the media parts of big part of it. I, I know from my side, there are guys that are better than others at working the media. A part of it and making sure that the guys that put out those future GM lists that their names on the future GM list. Yeah, that self promoting part is definitely definitely plays a part in it. You know. And that's really taboo, if people find out if, if you're kind of out in the league of. Self promoter among into scouting in the scouting community. That's probably the worst thing you can be labeled, you know, within that within that small fraternity that yourself promoters, so, but it happens. You know, guys do it, and unfortunately, a lot of times, they, those are the guys that land the jobs. So no, I it's, it's a it's an interesting conversation Ross could off the we could probably talk about. Well, let's get into let's get into what we want to talk about on the air, which is the senior bowl. I'm always amazed when someone like you get to job like that. I always want to know like, what's the first thing you did the first day. And maybe more importantly, since you're a year in now, just walk, our walk my listeners through the time line through the process to get to the, you know what I think is arguably the most important, you know, pre draft event, it's more potent than any pro day. It's more important than the draft. I mean in combine, I think it's the most important event between the bowl games and the draft is your senior bowl, especially those practices. So can you just kind of lay out the timeline a little bit? Yeah. Gosh, this is a long winded question. I'll try to try to cut myself off, but no took the job just had to evaluate, you know, the entire organization and how things were run. And so we had a lot of those meetings internally just to get a feel for that. But more, you know, more to what we're talking about here on the football side of things. You know what I really wanted to do was create something as close to a NFL personnel department is I could. So, you know, one thing we did last year that we'd never done in the past year was, we hired a staff of former NFL scouts, the scout the country, and we have four guide, they'd sixty nine years of NFL experience. So, you know, that was important to me, because it gave me sets of is all around the country, that I, I knew what they were looking at there were well connected with among the scouting community, but also the agent community and at the schools. So, you know, again, because we don't have an NFL budget. You know, our guys can't get out and travel a bunch. You know, they can't you know they couldn't get on planes. They couldn't stay night to know tell so really wherever we could get to driving distance and get back home that night. That's that's you know that's what we did. So, you know, one thing we're really proud of, of one hundred. Fourteen guys we invited to last year's game. We saw one hundred and five of them live in games. So that was that was huge to have that to have that staff in place. And again, they were all under contract with their teams couldn't pay him a huge. You know, huge salary really anything to live off. So it was important. We found some guys that were still under contract. You know, we went through the right channel that contacted the reformer GM's and, and they were they were okay with it, and, you know, then working with us so that, that worked out, great, you know. And we really had a tighten it staff. We, we did conference calls all the time. I got him senior bowl geared, aware and business cards and emailed, and really tried to make it as an official position as possible. You know, so that was that was really big. And you know, we, we built out the roster last year probably about eighty percent of it. And then I called around seventeen of the third pretty two teams so we could thanksgiving and we kind of let the league help help us shape the back into the roster gonna want to bring in the guys they wanted to see because again this is for those thirty two teams not for not for us. So really tried to give the NFL some official feedback on this thing, which they never had before. So that was, you know, that was a big part of the process, and like you to looted to this being an important stage. It's the example I used in the in the orientation last year with the players, I use the example of Isaiah win. And you know they win the tackle from Georgia two years ago. He comes to the senior bowl with a partially torn labrum, and he has two great days, the practice, especially in one on one. Period. And then he tear that tears tears labor them fully estimate. The combine mistpro day. Never runs. Never done anything else. And he probably came into the senior bowl. Most teams probably second third round grades on it and he ended up a first round pick. So my, my point to the player that you can help yourself more down here than at any other point in the process. I mean, the last two years, it's amazing. How many guys aren't running forty just just flat out declining to run forty yard dashes. You know, not doing protein, still get drafted high. So I think that. I, I would the part of teams and, and this is all thirty two teams. But I have I mean I could give specific examples of teams I worked for where, you know, we really overvalued the combine, and I think as a whole the league has gotten smarter to really just use the combine for what it is. And that's the medical part and the interviews and not so much the on the field testing. Now that's the that's the stuff to fans. Love to watch on TV and the forty yard dash is, is, is fun and entertaining. But that's where your biggest mistakes are made. So you know my point last year to the player was come down here, and this is real football, this is what you're going to be evaluated on and. You know, it was it was a lot of fun. Roth like the other part of the huge recruiting element to this job. And you referenced earlier with the social media stuff, I really had to get outside my comfort zone, this year to, to do some of that. I'd never been on social media in my life. And but it really helped connected the player. So the recruiting part of it was actually a lot of fun that I didn't even see coming into this thing that, that was a part of it. Yeah. And, you know, you got a great personality and great way about you, Jim. But you're not like a self promoter. You're not like you know what I would in my mind, think, like sales guys. So I guess I'm curious about how those interactions work, you know with the agents and or with the players. And when those negotiations our conversation starting, how you go about him. You know, we what we do is when we invite the players off. We just send the invites to the head coaches. So that's how it's always been done. And I, I thought that was a nice formality. You know, you always wanna leave it up to head coach, we have to have good relationships at them. So, you know, some coaches, get the invite they'll run it down the hall the to the locker room and give it right to their player, which is great. And then there's other schools that, you know, might see the senior bowl invited the distraction of that individual player in the hold onto them, you know until after the you know, the the SEC championship game for example, and in, in, we're okay with that, too. You know it works both ways. But sometimes we don't even directly, contact the play or, you know, again, because you don't want to disrupt those relationships, so it's really done through the invite. But then, you know then you know if you get into December, and you don't have, and they don't accept immediately. Then you, you start getting a feel. For who the agent is probably going to be after the game because a lot of times in December, that's you know, that's pretty much well determined. So it's working hand in hand with the agents is a big part of it, and let I think they're all I think they all realize for the most part how much there players can can benefit from coming down here. You know, there there's a there's a ton of benefits, it's not the on the field stuff. But the interviews are a lot more relaxed than they are at the combine. You know, they take psychological tests here. So it really clear cleared, they're played at the combine so they can really just focus on the on the field stuff. So there there's a ton of benefits to come into the senior bowl, you know, not even on the field, but it was that was an interesting part, working through the through the process with the agents. And you know, really we only had one one player that, that full last year that can actually committed to it. And then pulled out now is Josh Allen from Kentucky. And you know, I understand Josh, we knew Josh is going to be a really hot thick and it was disappointing that. He opted not to. And, you know, the selling point Josh was it's a loaded Ed class. You know, you had Nick boats and Rashawn Gary at the time was in that conversation. And so I just thought you know, with the with the emphasis co forty Niners having a big big neat. They're big pass rush need that, that Josh would really benefit from coming down here, but I respect his decision. I mean he was a top ten pick, but, you know, we always feel like players can help themselves that they come and to me, the if and that's all all the agents that over the past year. If you've got a player, that's the clear cut number one guy and his position. I mean I won't even you know, we won't even you know, go down that road we'll invite him to, you know, just to just to see it go come, but I would never press her an agent to send a player who just had to clear cut number on guy. But that's very rare Ross. I mean, you know, I mean, there's how many guys are just couldn't you know, there's nothing to be gained by, like coming to a game like this to me. If you're in the conversation with two or three other guys that have position, you know, come down here and get around these coaches and scouts. And, and make you know make that first impression whereas where a lot of these junior that are highly rated guy only don't even have the option to complain to senior bowl. So you know you this to your advantage of being a guy that came back for senior year. And you know, we, we had a lot of success last year. And, you know, we're just trying to work in and hand with the agents right now, you know, they're calling all spring and summer that a bunch of guys reached out already, and we're trying to help them with who we've seen the tape on, you know who we liked for next year's game and trying to try and help them. Save money on their recruiting. That makes sense. Yeah, you want to have those relationships. What about why why are the interviews more relaxed at the senior bowl than at the calm I just because there's more time? Yeah, there's, there's more time you know, it's more of a relaxed setting, you know, Indies really that Indies schedule Jeff foster who runs national football scouting does such an awesome job putting on that event. But they pack so much into those, you know, three or four days, the players are up there that I it's, it's really hard, you know, it's, it's a little more of a stressful environment, so, you know, being down here, it's a little more loose. I mean some teams they get into town on Saturday before our game and stay all the way through the game. So they're here for seven, or eight days, and they spend extra time with these guys. So it's just a little more laid back. And again it's nice for the players to that. They meet a lot of people when they're here at the senior bowl. And then when they go to the combine the familiar face. So it's, you know, it's human nature. It's it kind of puts them at he's going into the process in Indianapolis when they show up and you know they see a bunch of guys from teams that they already recognized and have relationships with. So you. No, that's, that's a selling point that that we try to we try to express the players. You know, I'm actually amazed Jim because it feels like towards the end of Phil's tenure and now your tenure this past year that you guys are getting more and more of the best players than ever before, which is interesting kind of in the climate wherein now with guys skipping bowl games and such, you know what I mean? Like there are guys that aren't even participating in bowl games because they're worried about injury yet. I'm sure that's gotta be some concern like I guess there's two concerns. Right. Would be number one that you wouldn't perform well in hurt your stock, but number two the injury risk, and given the climate, we're in, I'm surprised you don't have more guys that are passing just because of the injury risk part of it. Well, you know that's a good good question Ross. I think that, unfortunately, I grew up, but we talked about, you know, both of us grew up loving the game a football and part of that love in the bowl system. And, you know, laying around on the couch on New Year's day with your family watching bowl games. And so it is from a football fan perspective. It's a little bit of a bummer that, you know, the top players are pulling out. But from a business standpoint, I totally get it. You know, I mean it's I use Michigan as an example, that's where I went to school, and they had a bunch of guys not play in the peach bowl last year. Well, you know chase win a bitch, their defensive and who went in the third round of the patriots. Now he was a guy that actually decided to play. And he was committed to come here to the senior bowl. Well he gets hurt in that ballgame. And he can't participate in the senior bowl. So, you know, really the peach bowl was would have been his daughter. No fifty fifty six game at the university of Michigan. But it's not the college football playoff, you know, it really. Not saying it was a meaningless game. But, you know there wasn't a lot on the line in the peach bowl against Florida. So he gets hurt. And he and now he loses the opportunity to come to mobile and perform in front of over nine hundred NFL personnel. So it's I you know, I hate it for the bowl system, but I think that last year there's a little bit of an avalanche there. I mean started a few years ago at Christian McCaffrey, and I think last year you really saw a lot of those guys just not participate. It didn't affect our game. You know, I think the players see the value of getting in front of all the NFL people, so you know, we're not fighting as much and then to your other point, the injury risks part, and the performance part, you know, just going way back to when I got into scouting, you know, one of the first things you were talk was all star games can only help player. They can't hurt them. And, you know, I think for the most part team stick to that. Because if you're, you know, teams all want guys that love football in, in wannabe. A competitive, and I think coming through an all star game whether it's our game or the west Rhine game or then fell PA game me the players are making a statement that they're not afraid to compete, and they love football. And they're gonna take every advantage to, you know, to show the teams that so, you know, I really I even this your senior bowl, I, I can't think of many instances where player actually hurt themselves by coming hurt themselves by coming down and playing in the game. Whereas on the flip side, I can, you know, I could sit here and dozens of examples where guys made two three four round jumps by by coming to mobile. Just kind of moving forward goals. You know what you're trying to accomplish. So recent you had to scouting academy down here, which seemed pretty cool last question is just kind of what's next? You got a year under your belt, things went. Well, what, what are you looking at or do different or do better? Well, yeah, we really want to capitalize on the success that year off. So we, we had ninety three players drafted which was thirty six point six percent of the draft. We had, we had ten first round picks which was the most, we had since two thousand eleven which, which the number were proud of their is in the two thousand eleven drafter is only fifty four juniors in it. And that's your there was one hundred forty four so to get ten ten seniors you know in the first round and come to our game. We're, we're very proud of that net goes back to the SAF. They didn't the scouts it an awesome job, really identifying those guys. So we just want to capitalize on that. We want we want this your class to look back at last year and say, wow, you know, ten first round pick a third of the first round came mobile and, and, you know, a lot of them played their way into the first round, you know, there was maybe a couple of months, that's wet was probably going to be a first round pick. Garett bradberry the center from NC state was probably gonna be a first round pick. But you know of those ten there, probably seven or eight that just played their way into it by coming down here. So we want to capitalize on that. And then, you know, the other thing Ross like you're going to hear it a lot over the next year that we because those numbers we feel like the draft starts in mobile. And, you know, one thing trying to evaluate what we've done here is we've never really marketed our game a lot to the fan bases. You know, reaching out to somebody's fan blogs of, of the different teams in the NFL, and even on the college side is that there's a perception out there among fans that this is an event just for the media and for the NFL sell. Whereas, I think this could be the alternate fan of bent, you know, just I was up. I was lucky enough to be. Part of the ESPN crew that worked up at the draft in Nashville and just to see what that looked like, in Nashville was exciting to me because it tells me, we've got a huge opportunity to build this thing out from fan's perspective. It's such an affordable trip down here to mobile and, you know, just being able to come down here stand. Ten feet from an old line D line one on one or going over the hotel. And, you know, just being around these players, you know, and then being able to walk up and down, you know, dolphin street down here in mobile and, and, and, you know, seeing coaches out having to be here, you might be able to have a beer with your, your head coach. You know, I mean those are those are experiences that you can't get anywhere else other than mobile. So we're really going to start marketing the fan bases. I think that, you know, this could be the ultimate guys weekend for, for, for, for a bunch of dudes that wanted to come down and immerse themselves in the NFL culture for a week. So that's really what we're going to be focused on that, that gets them. Another great Rosser put together. But that's kind of what the next seven eight months. Looked like for us. That is a great point. And I think you know, it's a great opportunity for people to go. I mean, people are going to pay pay to sit in the stands at the combine. I mean, are you kidding me to be able to go and get that close to all the drills and see you? Everybody around town in mobile. That's, that's a terrific point. And I think you guys will do very well and coming on shows like this certainly helps as well. And we'll have you on anytime. Jim terrific job. It's not often that I have somebody for two weeks in a row, but you were worth it, and it was worth it. Thank you so much. No ross. Thank you from yawn and didn't just to spend cooled. It's the your, your Aleutian from an undrafted guy that made how many years did you get into the league? Well, I played seven years, six account for my pension and stuff, but I I went to seven training camp. So I say seven. Yeah. No, that's fans after real, that's, that's that's amazing. Because honestly, go from scouts perspective, you know, those undrafted guys, I mean. That's an unbelievable accomplishment. 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NFL Prospects Try To Stand Out In Isolation

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NFL Prospects Try To Stand Out In Isolation

"In every year there are dozens of players who are certain to get drafted into the NFL and then throw the players the bubble the guys from smaller schools guys recovering from injury or guys who just haven't quite proven themselves. Normally these players would have spent the past few weeks going to pro day events to showcase their speed strength and agility and hopefully get manifesto team to take a chance on them in the draft but those showcase events of course have not been happening today. The Athletic Stephen Holder joins us to discuss how college players on the cusp of the NFL have been scrambling to get noticed in the days of social isolation a guy who's used to working out in sort of a state of the art facility now reduced to working out with sandbags and whether or not. It's working from wondering the Athletic. I'm under skelter and I'm beat the Davidson. It's Tuesday April twenty first and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening. There is something about the emotion in for the past congested. This isn't a story here. The athlete it stays with you with the capital one quicksilver card you earn unlimited one point. Five percent cashback on every purchase everywhere. That's unlimited one point five percent cashback on everything you buy and unlimited really means unlimited with. Quicksilver there's no limit to how much cash back you can earn capital one. What's in your wallet? Credit approval required capital one bank. Usa N. A. So Stephen every year there are tons of college football players. Who are hoping to do. What chargers running back Austin? Echlert did a few years ago I can. You just remind us of his story and how he made it to the NFL. Two thousand seventeen player from a division two school that most people are not familiar with myself included Western Colorado. Swank pass out that he's open at fifteen to ten to five touch spare hostetler fifteen yards on about fierce get onto storm for school doesn't even have a pro day so he goes to the pro day at the University of Colorado. And what kinds of things does he do there on? The forty yard is how many reps on the bench press? And you do it. Two hundred and twenty five pounds vertical jump shuttle runs things like that that test agility and sort athleticism and he puts unbelievable numbers and what happens then is now the teams are like. Okay wait who is this guy? Why why don't we know more about him? And that is how guys like Austin Echo lower. Go from not being on the radar to snout being someone team will consider inside his blocks forty thirty five feet chargers. And so you're talking about a list of easily six seven eight hundred players. Who are hoping for this opportunity. So let's talk about one of those players who has been hoping for similar opportunity. Tell us about Nick Westbrook. So Vic Westbrook is a young man's wide receiver from Indiana University. Passed down to a great kid. He's a graduate. Actually Kelly Business School in Indiana which is one of the finer business schools in the Mid West. Very smart and delightful guy to deal with this comes from a great family a really young age. Ahmad concealed football. Like in me. She's actually personally taught me how to throw football just seeing her face. When I read play and play well it was really rewarding. He had a fabulous sophomore season. At Indiana. I play fake. And like I watched the go caxias touchdown almost a thousand yards receiving and then he had a major knee injury. I think that's nick. Westbrook is one of the most talented playmakers on offense for Indiana. It is see him. Get up and since then. There have been concerns about whether he could be the same player concerns about his speed and things of that nature. We played very well last year. He also went to the East West Shrine All Star game. But Nick did not get an invite to the NFL combine so he had been working since the end of the All Star game toward the his pro day in late March and of course we have now grown virus crisis. That pro day was cancelled. So Nick has found himself in a little. Bit of a tough spot. He thought that his forty yard dash time would have really propelled him into being a guy who teams will look at it and say okay. Maybe he's worthy of a draft pick. Now so what's he been doing to get around the fact that he doesn't have an opportunity to to showcase his skills at produce event one challenges just kind of staying in shape. Because you have to be ready. He's gotTa stay ready. Who knows when things will be opened up for activity to to resume right? We don't have no idea. So he's trying to find creative. Ways to work out lifting weights using sandbags of all things. I mean. This is where we're at okay. This is. He's got a neighbor who has some workout equipment. He has from time to time. Been able to take advantage of that but A lot of it's being creative going to the local park doing running. They're doing a lot of exercises with body weight and it's a lot harder to be active within the four walls of your home other than that really. What you're doing is you're agent primarily is working the phones and trying to to keep your name top of mind with these teams Knicks Agent Carter chows veteran agent and I think that will help him. Those are the kinds of things that are happening behind the scenes. Right now both with Nick and lots of other players as well you know. It's not just football that. Nfl Scouts are assessing. It's also players personalities and their character and it seems like in Nick's case those things would really work to his advantage all summer. We were all working together. So we all got reps that every single quarterback there might be a little bit. You know. Mike's Lefty but that doesn't really affect me at the other day. I'm supposed to catch the ball. See that was a great answer. You really try to get our scouts sizing up that part of his personality. I if at all I think a lot of is just going to have to fall back on on previous interactions so the one benefit for nick is that eastwest trying game Down in Florida in January. That's a good opportunity because it's very well staffed by NFL scouts. There's several days of practices where they're able to evaluate the players. So you do have opportunity to meet with teams at these events. It's not like the combine where you literally have the head coach and general manager in on those means that is a different level of interaction. Has He also been doing a lot of zoom calls with NFL Scouts or team representatives? He has had some phone calls with teams. That's a very positive thing. The other thing he talked to me about was the fact that he has played in different offensive systems throughout college and that has made him a much more cerebral football player. He's had to learn different systems. And so that goes a long way to because as a rookie in the NFL. What do you do? You have to learn an entirely new playbook hi Emily Hernandez and CO executive producer of the lead with everything. That's going on in the world. Today life is kind of a lot and even though we're all indoors constant need to be on is still there and it can get overwhelming so when I need to take a moment to chill and hit the reset button to get ready for. What's next I just crack? Open a coors light coors light is called laggard. Cold filtered cold packaged. 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It seems like Nick Westbrook and other college players have had to get a little creative in showcasing their skills and you talked to a guy who's sort of helping on that front so tell us about Jim Nagy so jim was an NFL scout for about eighteen years and so he understands this process. He's been on the other side of it now. He is executive director of what is known as the senior bowl. Yes we do have a football game today and we have a good one here in mobile at ladd people stadium. It is the seventy first edition of the racist senior bowl. It is in essence a job interview. So how is Jim and helping out these players? Who are sort of in limbo right now with pro days not happening. Jim started getting phone calls. And mid March I started getting hit up by some agent friends. Probably right when this thing broke. And they had a bunch of good player is I'm talking first round type players. That hadn't run a forty yet and done a full workout in the you know they reached out to me knowing that the NFL teams would trust my times. That I had just because I've been a scout for a long time. He works both sides. He deals with the NFL. He deals with players as well. So is a great resource for people on both sides. They wanted to bring me in a time of their players because knowing hit the. Nfl is not going to trust agents times there's obviously a vested interest there. These agents were calling him saying you know. Do you have any ideas? Do you know what we can do trying to help our players and in some cases he was asked. Hey can you come out in conduct the workout for my player and we'll film it. It'll give it credibility because he was in the NFL Scout. You know talk to my wife about it. We just didn't want did feel like it was a smart move to get on a plane so barring that I wanted to do something to help these kids out but Jim came up with after speaking to teams. Was this idea. What if I put together to to`real for these these agents and players of how they can conduct their own workouts in a way that gives validity. That's a that's a critical part of this here today to put together an instructional video for those schools out there or players that might not have. Nfl foot traffic through their school. So we're going to walk you through step by step on how to conduct a pro day. How to do the measurements different things? Nfl Scouts are looking for and it ended up being very very helpful. Really a stroke of ingenuity on in certain situations where no one had great answers and in these instructional videos that he created. What specific advice is he giving people a lot of it's logistics? It's details a couple of things before we start any measurements taken place today. Hand Arm Wingspan. That's done an eight. So you need tape measurements that measure in eight for the League to be withstanding. You're doing things like the forty yard dash right you know. How do you measure that accurately you need to measure that in such a way? That teams know that. It's forty yards precisely right if you just have grass surface at your facility. Please videotape the measuring of all the short shuttle three cone. Forty Yard Dash prior to your players for quarterback they wanNA know what's the measurement of your hand from the palm to the top of the Middle Finger. Right you've got to do it. The right way again so they get apple to apple comparisons so JEB. Raise your right hand telling the player to spread his hand as wide as possible. You're going from Pinky. Pinky to the tip of the thumb holds it up. And we're measuring eighths. So he has eight and six eight everything has to be completely transparent know. These measurements don't mean anything if they're not completely uniform and that's where. Jim Really played a big role as an NFL for eighteen years. Is it safe to say that He's seen a lot of bad workout videos submitted by players and their agents over the years what I know he is seen is. He seemed good workouts and bad workouts. There are some bad ones. Though man they agree we used to refer to those. Dvd's as coasters you'd have a DVD clashes. Bring them home and use coasters also knows what teams want so in that regard. He's really an invaluable resource. So basically players are following Jim's online tutorials and running essentially their own pro day workouts. Give a sense for if it's working you know. Nfl Scouts happy with the the videos that are coming in. I do think they're having some impact. We've gotten a lot of great feedback from a lot of a lot of schools that are players a lot of agents in just hearing back from guys in the NFL. You know they've got some good stuff in and it's helped them evaluate some of these small school guys for example colts coach Frank Right. He was watching a particular players workout video on Youtube recently. And actually commended that player for going that extra mile to do that and Stephen. Coming back to nick. Westbrook the wide receiver from Indiana. He made a workout video along the lines of what Jim Nagy has been recommending and Senate to some NFL teams. How is he doing now? And what is he hoping for next well? Every day really is an exercise in patience it to be honest. It's a lot of waiting around for the outcome of the situation. He's got a really good outlook on this and you know he is prepared himself for range of outcomes. Okay can get drafted. He could not get drafted but the one thing that he left me with and I think he really believes this and lives by. This is he said look. I believe I'm going to get some kind of opportunity and then it's up to me and I think that is something that I've heard from multiple people throughout reporting the story. They just want the opportunity. And that's all you can really ask for you know. I've covered many many players over the years. The one thing that all the players who make it really have in common is sort of a unique determination about them and nick definitely has that and I think the positive outlook it can only help because this is such a tough situation where we have no control over our circumstances and I think. Nick has really grasped that and do whatever. I have to do with my dream and I respect for that. We'll steven thanks so much for joining us today. Hey No problem you can read. Stephen Holders Coverage of the Indianapolis Colts at the Athletic Dot Com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead the NFL apparently has something in common with. Everyone's technically challenged goal on a Monday conference call featuring the thirty two league. Gm's several participants apparently did not know how to mute themselves causing the line to sound quote awful. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: NFL Draft talk with Jim Nagy of the Senior Bowl

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: NFL Draft talk with Jim Nagy of the Senior Bowl

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I think to be honest with you as we as we come down to the wire here. I think that what is going to happen. It's still anybody's guess. There are some reports and there are some people who have also told me at this point in time that it looks like there's a disagreement in the organization between co owners. Steve Tisch and John Amarah. Most people seem to believe that. Steve Tisch wants sweeping change within the organization in both the Front Office and the coaching staff. The the belief seems to be that John Mara wants to be Wants more continuity a once less dramatic eric moves to be made. We will have to see who wins only a couple of days before we actually find out what's going to happen ultimately early. My guess is going to be at this point the same thing I said a week ago. I think that my guess is that Dave gettleman stays in Pat. Shurmur probably goes but again you know that that's a guest at this point. It's it still seems as I said you know we'll have to see who who emerges as the as the winner here per se if you WanNa look at it that way you know between Steve Tisch in John Mara You know one thing for people to to realize everyone always considers the giants to be owned by John. Mara they always think about mayor. They always mention marrow when they talk about giants ownership. Something to remember is that this is a fifty fifty split in both money and in power while John Mara is the guy who is there every single day in the facility or most days in Steve Tisch is a west coast. Guy Is filmmaker. All of all of that. Who isn't as involved in the day to day both are fifty fifty decision makers so we'll see how this all plays out something that I kind of wanted to do today as we get As we get ready for the eagles game and sort of ready for what will be a key off season for your New York. Giants is sort of turn away from all of that and talk a little bit about the NFL draft. And what I want to do is talk about about the upcoming senior bowl. Which is January twenty fifth in Mobile Alabama? We know that that the giants became convinced that they would draft Daniel Jones. You know during that senior bowl you know the story about Dave Gettleman in all of that going down to to the mobile in watching Jones in staying for the game in you know saying that he quote fell in full bloom love with Jones during his this short appearance in that senior bowl game on what I want to do right now is bringing in Jim Nagy who is the executive director of the senior bowl. This is a conversation that that Jim and I recorded regarding the upcoming senior bowl will talk about some of the prospects talk about Daniel Jones. Hopefully this is an interview that you will enjoy and you'll learn something from in terms of the prospects to watch as we head into into draft season. Hi this is Kara Swisher host of Rico decode. It's been an incredible two thousand nineteen for our show and we recently been honored with some some awards by Ad Week. They named Rico decode the best technology podcast of the year. And the podcast of two thousand nineteen over all. So if you oh haven't checked this out yet. There's never been a better time to start on Rico decode I interview people you need to know in tech and beyond about power change and big ideas some of my guests in two thousand nine hundred nine have included Edward Snowden Nancy Pelosi Ronan Farrow Meghan Piano and Kathy Griffin. You can find some of our favorite episodes at. Vox Dot com Tom Slash decode. That's Rico decode an award winning podcast that you should check out today. Thanks and happy holidays. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football. PODCAST it says in descript to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants worn in middle school. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP giants fans. I'm joined now by a very special guest for today's show. Have Jim Nagee Executive Director of the senior bowl and gyms here to give us some some draft information some draft insight as we look forward to that Jim. Thank you very much for joining me today. Hey thanks for having me. Hey so I need to start with you. This is what your second year third year. Doing doing the Do as executive director your to start your two okay and year. You're one of the senior bowl for the New York. Giants turned out to be. You know very very interesting because of the drafting of Daniel Jones Jones and we know the story you know with Dave Gettleman you know staying for the game in all of that. Let me just let me ask you this and I. I know we're kind of backing up a little bit. But how unusual is it for a general manager to stay to actually watch the game. Yeah it's very rare I've been coming to the game for twenty three years You know with my background in the NFL Scout. And I I can't ever recall a GMC in staying for the actual actual game on Saturday. Most teams leave on Thursday afternoon or Friday morning To get back to the facility in get cranking back on their draft crap but No that's when I knew. The giants were really serious about about a quarterback is that they stayed around Dave on the field during pre-game and and you know he was in a great mood. I know he was I. I know you're taking a look at Daniel and drew lock and some of the other guys but Yeah Pretty Neat and you know there were a lot of questions from from giants fans as to what you can learn from game environment especially you know what really amounts to an all star game. I mean what what is there that team can learn from the game. MM itself well you know when you go in the fall and I think he can see an all star game as well. I mean you're looking for little things. You're looking things that you can't see on tape run television television and it's and it's a lot of stuff between plays and body language on the field You know how they interact on the sidelines. What are they doing? They come up after at your bad play. it's all it's all those human. It's mostly human dynamic type of things you know. How quickly do they bounce up after? Getting head And there's a lot of great takeaways that that really you know. It's all pieces of the puzzle and if there's one they'll take away that you can glean from alive exposure exposure that helps really you know get you conviction on a player because that's really all you're trying to do through. The process is gain conviction on on. Whether he's the right guy for you or not not so I always find it valuable and every time you leave a game you walk away with something a little different. You know a lot of times. It's arm strength arm. Strength is really one thing. That's hard hard to gauge on tape. Not guys got an absolute host for an arm. I mean that's pretty obvious. But you know the different levels of arm strength Is something you WanNa see live as well. Obviously David Down here all last year during the game during the practice week so he thought that that wasn't a big deal to take away from him last year You know when you go out in the fall and you go to games. That's an awed by Lavar and let one more Jones question for you obviously with your exposure to him a year ago. And you guys I mean you don't just shoot darts when you invite guys two games. You do a lot of research in terms of you know the right guys to to bring in with your exposure and your study the of him a year ago are you at all surprised by the success that he's had I know that a lot of people didn't expect to see him play as well as he has for the giants. It says a rookie to be awesome. Really not surprised at all and I'm not saying that I'm not trying to sound like you know smart guy in the room but You Know I. I was a big believer in Daniel all through last spring. You can rewind to what I said around the game last year you know. He's the guy that everyone had first grade Donn. I'm coming into the senior bowl you know. Mostly you know later I drown stuff from from my friends and league and I went and saw Daniel play last year. We saw we get all the tapes. You know we have access the same tape the NFL teams do here in the office. So yeah we did all our own homework and again. He had a lot of transferable skills and he really was A. He was a really Clean Lina valuation because at Duke. He didn't have great people around him. He didn't have you know receivers that could get vertically. Didn't ever see that could really separate. He didn't have an old line that that gave them a a lot of times. So you know there was a lot of frantic situations in muddy situations where you didn't see from Duane Hopkins at Ohio state or collar Morita Oklahoma. Those guys are just sitting back in a clean pocket playing pitch and catch with you know future. NFL receivers. So you know Daniels. Evaluation was was was really great because there was a lot of carryover from what you're the. NFL you've got knocked around. He got hit a bunch He was forced to fit the ball in tight. Windows so Yeah I was. I was a big lever and Daniel. Now I mean to his credit four games. There are three games that year was more than four touchdowns. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think I saw that. The other day You know for what he's had around him during the season young receivers and you know I know that Golden Tate miss some time early but Yeah I think they're only going to get better on. Dang I think that the takeaway for this season of if I'm the giants I feel really good about at least they. I feel like they got that position right. And if you get that physician right then you can start and Ron and your jobs. The general managers that much easier. So let's actually talk about that. Let's talk about adding around Daniel Jones in how it sort of relates it to your game. Which is January twenty fifth? If I'm correct right right you're not twenty two K.. And obviously the week before that you know the the practice is he's really that that's the goal. That's the good stuff. That's what what everybody sort of really pays attention to the giants right now. You know have the have the fourth overall pick and no matter what happens on Sunday. I think they're going to land in the top five and I know giants fans are still freaking Out because they've they seem to have lost out on chase young so what so so what I want. You know which to be honest with you I. I've written it big blue view. There's never anything wrong with winning. You know when it comes to to a young team. I don't know how you feel about that but let let me just ask you that. I mean you know people are upset. Because they've won games aims. I mean D- do you ever understand being upset about your team winning games I understand. The fans mindset around. I really do because again. You're season's Kinda law. You're not going to the playoffs You gotta you gotTa once in a decade player like Jae Kyung and that's that's not hyperbole. This kid's a special player. He's the best this player in this year's draft So yeah yeah sounds like you lost out an opportunity to get that guy but to your point I mean You know like what what was going on in Miami this year. Brian floor was in a really tough spot here. He's a first year coach. They've got this organizational plan to kind of strip it down and start start over her and you can be bought in with that plan Monday through Saturday but when you get the Sunday I mean everyone in the NFL. I don't care if you're a player coach Scout I mean all those guys are wired. You know very competitively so you get the game that you want to win. So it's you know it's two opposing you know mindsets during the Monday through Saturday and and Sunday but No I don't think when you when you're trying to develop around a guy around a player. I think winning some games with Daniel Jones and giving the team confidence that he can win they can win games. James Kim is huge not just for the organization but for the players in the locker room that they can start believing in Daniel and and moving in the right direction You know three or four five wins ends. Seems a lot better than one or two wins. You know I've been a part of one when I was in the NFL in eighteen years the part of one really bad team when you're in Kansas City two in fourteen and and it was just. It was a miserable miserable year so everyone counts. It's great for the Locker Room But I do understand where the fans are coming from. Sure so what I wanted to get eh to with that Obviously you know chase young was the objective. Everybody's affection at this point looking at your game if we talk specifically about edge rushers which is a position where the giants could use the help. I mean they have Marcus Golden. Who's had a nice year but who are some guys maybe in the in the senior bowl As of now I know you're rosters aren't one hundred percent full but who are some guys maybe that that That giants fans might look at as far as edge rushers. Yeah you know I think AH oceans the maintenance from last year's game that you got took in the third round as a chance to make a bigger impact in your to That's really a tough position to come minute. And and have success right away Just because the offensive lineman the NFL so much more skilled There's so much smarter. They're way more a patient. There's so much better with their hands and then guys are at the college level especially for a guy like demeanor is coming from. ODU I I would expect a big jump from from him and then In this year's game really the top guys probably Terrell Lewis from Alabama throughout the guy that He's really hard to draw comparison to. I know a lot of fans like you hear about like what a player comp is just so they can kind of visualize get an idea what he is and Terrell's really hard 'cause he's a really long kind of spidery built go long long arms long leg and usually guys aren't very explosive in Terrell. It's crazy you know. His his ability to create generate explosion in a short short space is is really really unique. He's got heavy heavy hands for a long body Guy He's got a great first step if there's some durability questions with Terrell Hurrell you know he's been banged up a little bit there at Alabama but you you know you take that stuff out of the equation. He's a top fifteen talent. Maybe a top five talent in this year's draft so I think I think out focus on Terrell Lewis about the fans watching our practices. That you've got guys like Daryl Taylor at Tennessee Big Thick muscular power rusher Also has an element speed to him. And if you put on the right gains there looks like lock first-round pick if you put in some other games. He looks like a third third or fourth round. Pick so you know but darryl even did a better job more consistent this year Really talented guy. Alton Robinson up in up in your neck of the woods in New York from Syracuse. It's altogether had double digit sacks as a junior didn't have quite the production on paper that he had a year ago but again in guy really good first step his get off is is very good. you know he can. He can turn that corner and flattening get to the quarterback. He's another guy third. It's a pretty that that group and those guys all the way you know through the third fourth round all the way to like Bradley and I from Utah. Who is the PAC twelve defensive player of the year Bradley Guy? That's it's really skilled at his hands. Really Technical rusher kind of similar wins the same way nick votes at one at Ohio state his hand youth. And it's and it's motor So I think that All the way through the you know early date three. There's going to be guys. The giants can add. That can help them all right. So let's talk about a couple of other positions and where the giants might be you know in the market for some help If the giants have the third or fourth pick I think people would like to see see them you know maybe grabbing offensive linemen and the guy that stands out is Andrew Thomas from Stanford. Let's say a diff- I'm okay. I'm sorry but so. Yeah Well I. I don't know why I do that all the time but but I seem to have stuck in my head. I seem to have have that. I seem to have that stuck in my head but Okay so I was actually going to say we go beyond Thomas I give me give me some some guys. especially you know offensive tackles maybe some guys in the center group To to look at. Yeah the offense attack of you hit it. Andrew Thomas is probably the top one yoke. I haven't pay a lot of attention the most the juniors in this class. Because we're you know we've we've got to get this senior class. That's right for the for the recent senior bowl. So if they're not gonna you know we can bring juniors now but they have to graduate by December The guys that don't fall into that category. I quite frankly. Frankly don't have enough time to to study tape on those guys. But I was at the Georgia Notre Dame game early in the year and Just peaked out him a little bit. He's super talented counted Good friend of mine is D line coach at Notre Dame and and he said that ten years at Notre Dame he hasn't he hasn't looked better offensive. Tackle on tape than than Andrew Thomas that spoke volumes to me. You know and then you got the works get at Iowa who's really talented. I saw him play. Live gets Michigan Senior wise down the senior bowl. There's the Guy Josh Jones from Huston who probably made his big jump as any player in the country this year regardless of position jobs coming into the air is probably third or fourth fourth round. Pick and you know now I would be actually be surprised if he made it out of the end of the first round so I think he's a you know the guy that subject to be a lot of faculty at the next level Starting left tackle. The next guy you know in our Game Matt per is another guy up in the northeast from Yukon. Who you know? I know they haven't had a lot of success there at uconn. I'm but mats are really really talented guy. Long he's got great feet Now like here's the player count for you that I think that I'm not saying he's GonNa going the same part of the draft that this guy did. But when I watch Matt Pert I think to break your shot Ferguson. did the British. When he's coming out of Virginia and obviously he went I think I think brick was a top five of the jets and math? Not GonNa go in that range but if you just look at their tools You know a lot of a lot of what happens in the draft is hype and you know guys get get a reputation early on it kind of carries through the through the draft process. And you know math guy down here I think he's GonNa make a huge jump nationally When people see how long light on his feet this guy? This guy is so Perth. Another Guy Medical Center position really the best senior hands down the best senior. Nick Harris from Washington Washington You know not the biggest guy you know Probably won't win wins by any stretch but when you get them on a football field tango football player. He's starting side that you can start next year in the league. He's you know plays way bigger than its CY. He's great with his hands when he latches on. You can't get rid the guy he's really mobile he can get to the second level and playing spades. So Nick Ahrens Washington is a really cool player to watch on tape. And I don't I don't say that very often about offensive the blind and he's just he's a lot of fun to watch And then you get down in some juniors at the center position that really haven't declared yet but Have Komo come out but not gonNA talk about this until they actually declare sure. Sure the only other position I really wanted to ask you about. I mean I'll and I'll make it kind of broad because the giants you know the giants invested heavily in the Defensive Backfield in a guy that was in your game. I think in Corey Ballantyne. If I'm I'm not mistaken was in your game. A year ago Julian Law was US guy. They drafted the Andre Baker's guy. They drafted So they've got a a lot of young guys in that defensive backfield but they can still use more help. Maybe especially at the safety position Just talk about some of the defensive backs to to watch. Yeah yeah it sounds like you you you. You're pretty young at corner. So that's a good thing stockpiled. Some young guys. I think Corey Valentine together. It really high ceiling you know. Just kinda learned just learning how to play to go from Washburn To the National Football League's quite jump and I know that I know they've got going on on the field quite a bit this year and learning under fire but He's the kind of kid that another another guy like the meanest I said earlier I could see corey making a big jump in your to after getting that experience under his belt but yeah safety position Aston David's from cal as a really interesting name for people. He's one of my favorite players in the draft he's Historians incredibly went to cal. A Walk on track. Athlete and Ran Track for a couple of years. Got All PAC twelve second team a hurdler Walk on the football team as well and I took him a couple of years to get on the field and do anything in football and Now years you know coming out in this year's draft he he's no worth in a second round pick. He's he's got great range athletic he can fly Some teams think he could play corner and I can see that because he's a good enough athlete and he runs well enough but You know he he. He flies around. He loves place so ask David from cows really exciting guy. Kyle Duggar from North Rhine Small Division Two College North Carolina that most people haven't even heard of Kyle's the top small school player in this year's draft hands down. You know he's he's he's almost six foot two When I was there earlier in the fall I actually hand delivered his senior bowl? Invite to two hundred twenty two pounds around and he ran for for one for the scouts last spring when they went through there so big time. Lightweight be prospect. He's a man amongst boys the D. Two level The senior bowl week is huge for Kyle but You know he's either prototype strong safety that really it to debut two twenty two right now. He's is going to be in the thirties. Once he matures and growth into a man's body so he's I think he's GonNa. NFL is is a linebacker is a will linebacker. And then if you you go down another really intriguing hybrid type player that that about the giants. I'd be interested in. That's Brian Cole. From It sippy state frying that transfer from Michigan Really really versatile guy kind of a Swiss army knife in in Mississippi Dave defense he can play nickel he can play safety. Play linebacker You know I know a lot offensive. Heard of Isaiah Simmons from Clinton Ryan Cole is very similar You know he's a really good athlete. You can do a lot of different things. So He's A. He's a cool chat got piece for any team to Adam and right now. He's a name. That's really flying under the radar that I think after senior bowl week and everyone sees what he can do a lot of different roles You know will end up being probably a late day to player interesting. So a lot of names to a lot of names to to Keep in mind giants fans fans as as that game approaches I know the giants still have a as we record this Friday. It's the day it's a couple of days before the giants final game we're about A little bit less than a month out from the senior bowl. Tell us tell us a little bit about about the process process of actually that you guys go through you know to actually build the rosters for this game. Yeah the one thing. We did a little differently when I got the game Here a couple years ago we hired it staff of all Guys NFL experience scouting experience. So really the two fold thing one. I wanted to create situation where when God got let go by teams and not GonNa Happen. You know that you get caught in a regime change in the NFL. It doesn't mean you're not good at what what you do it. Sometimes it's just you know they bring new GM or head coach and they wanna bring it all their own people. So you find yourself out so I wanted to give you know. Give those guys a soft landing spot for a year And also from our perspective get get a really experienced is all over the country so You know we lot. We had four on our staff last they all got jobs back in the NFL. Actually one went to the CFL and now we re stocked with six new scouts. It's your all. NFL experience and there were all over the country. We were at one hundred one hundred and fourteen of the FBI. Schools live this year in games and Countless other small schools. I mean we were any given weekend. We were at ten to twelve games every weekend at the staff. So we were. We really try to construct this thing. is closed doing NFL organization as we can at the personnel department. So you know we get the tape the NFL teams teams get which is huge? They give us access to the all that tape Through the League office which is great and Yeah just trying to do this thing like the thirty third personnel department. So that's that's kind of process and then the last the last part of the process is reach out to. I've got context in the League from all my years in the NFL and we just get on the phone with with this year with sixteen of the thirty two teams the week of Thanksgiving We got on with their personnel director. Someone with access to all their the grades so you know. They're sitting in front of their board. Where sitting in front are ward? And we're just going position by position At that point I think we'd already had eighty player accepted so we had about thirty five roster spots open and then just trying to get a gauge for who the League wants to see on the back end of the roster so You know these Rosser obviously for them. we want to get as many players drafted as we. Can you know. Last year we had ninety three player. Total drafted we had forty in the first three rounds in ten first round or so you know. That's that's really the only way we can recruit. We can't contact these players in. Have you know personal contact with them. So those numbers have to be strong for to get buy Ryan from the players. And that's why this year's game I think it's GonNa be even better. The Rodgers will be even better this year than last year because now this year is crew saw those ten guys get drafted in the first round and a a long time since the senior bowl had double digits taken a first round. So that's That kinda process we go through and we're really looking forward to To January it's going to be a great game so so you mentioned it. So now you're going to spill the giants draft board for me right. No no no no. Of course of course not I was GONNA say seriously You guys you know I think. Think of the senior bowl years ago and I think of mostly you know guys that that got drafted in the second you know second half of the draft but it seems to me like more and more. You're getting you know some of the big names. Some of the frontline guys some of the first rounders In are you. I guess you trying to build it to where you're you're getting you know the absolute you know the top line guys. The guys that are really fighting for position in day one. Yeah Yeah. We're you know it's got to be the the best and this has always been about all star game You know because we're the only game that that has the two steps from the from the League There's just such a rich tradition. We've got fifty three three hall of fame player and a third of the League right now played in the senior bowl so it's always been a great game but you know I think there's there's things that we've done over the last couple years just just like we talked about process wise In using social media so for instance when our scouts are at Games one thing we did a couple of years ago we started doing with our art scout take video during pre-game got moving around like you could go back and find old Korry Ballantyne and Daniel Jones video from our from our place on on my twitter handle and and You know to get it. Get it right up close on these guys who give idea of movement body type From scouting perspective. I know a lot of a lot of fans out. There are really into the scouting angle. And we'll bring you right down on the field pre-game in what it did was we. Were trying to pull back the curtain for the fans to let them see who are interested in but it it was kind of a a to the fact it also really it really You know broaden these players they they knew we were out there looking at him to create excitement around the game game so again. It's just a by factor from the players has been has been overwhelming just from last year to this year You know one agent told me that we've made the senior bowl cool will again which I don't know if that's true but the player Dr. No they understand the value in it. I think that You know when you can get in front of nine hundred. Nfl Oh people we credential lower nine hundred NFL folks last year the entire league down here so if you're a player why wouldn't you come here. You know why would you pass on that opportunity to come and and get the first of all impress on the field and then also get to spend time with them. You don't WanNa really relaxed setting before they get to the combine. which you know is is a much more intense much more intense setup and again this football this is real football The combines not in a house a part of a lot of teams that you know we Miss Miss Don picks because we put way too much stock in what these guys do in shorts and t shirts and I think the League is is it has gotten smart to that and I think they're really putting a lot more weight into the senior bowl because this is this is football. This is what they're apt to do. Not You know. Run around in their in their shorts and and whatnot so It's a bit. It's it's been awesome the last couple of years to grow And again we always been great game but we're just trying to take it to the next level and to see the bind from players has been has has been awesome. Jim We'll be looking forward to it Couple of couple of guys that work for me have been down there at various times Covering the Games I know mark. Scofield two covers who studies quarterbacks for us and for a lot of other sites was was down there a year ago and hopefully hopefully mark and and maybe one one or two of my other guys will be able to get down there and we'll be looking forward to the game so thank you very very much and by the way if you want to just I know you mentioned social so media. Just give folks your twitter handle the the senior bowl twitter handle you know whatever whatever they might need to To follow to follow the game came in. Follow you guys at as we get there. Yeah Mine at Jim Nagy Underscore SP for senior bowl. And then the are are the Games that just at senior bowl Yeah it's great. I I do want to say before we get off the eye opener for me last year was when I was doing the. ESPN work In in Nashville for the draft to see what Nashville turned into with those six hundred thousand. People know knock on the draft. Because that's the reason I got into scout and growing up as a kid watching the draft after I fell in love with the process But our our event is if you're a from fans perspective if if you're really into football I think we've got you know. Oh so much to offer in terms of being ten feet from these drills that are going on going over to the hotel and and grabbing Daniel Jones you know and getting himself you with them these players. They're just walking walking around walking around downtown mobile and same thing with the whole league. I referenced nine hundred. NFL People. I mean you can really immerse yourself in in the whole. NFL Culture for this week. There is. We've got our main street year mobile. It's called Dolphin Street and I mean you walk in and out of the bars and it's all head coaches and GM hanging out so If I were a fan Dan I mean this is the ultimate fan experience it for for a much cheaper cost than than you know a draft event might be. I mean we've got. We've got hotel rooms downtown mobile here walking distance from the Players Hotel in the practice field and whatnot for like eighty five bucks a night and You know and it's one of those events when you come once you come back it's really a it's really unique Game Week just all those fans out there all the giants fan. We'd love to have you down here. It's an incredibly incredible week. You won't be you won't be sorry to come to mobile for For Game Week this year we built it out. We've got a lot of different events going on. We've got Thursday Friday Saturday there. There's always stuff going on so you're coming down more than for more than just football. It's it's a great week and you can get on senior bowl dot com and see the different events I won't I won't get all that now but three kids. You have me on giants fans Dan we love to hear all right. Thank you very much jim or a giants fans. That's our show for today. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Jim Nagy talks Senior Bowl, NFL Draft

Big Blue View

35:10 min | 7 months ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Jim Nagy talks Senior Bowl, NFL Draft

"Fans and welcome to addition of what. I hope to be a very special very enjoyable. Valentine's podcast for you on this monday february fifteenth. I'm your host. Ed valentine of big blue view. Couple of things for you today. I were going to go through my selections in my first three round. Mock drafted big blue. Those of you. Who are familiar with the site. Know that traditionally each year. At this time i do weekly mock drafts using simulator making picks for the giants and go through some of those. We'll go through some of the parameters in some of the The the reasons for why. I do this the way that i do. And we'll talk about some of the picks that i made in this in this first. Mock that that. I've done also a little bit later on having interview with senior bowl executive director. Jim nagy that you're not going to want to miss as he talks about some of his favourite players from senior bowl week a couple of weeks back and some guys that that could be good fits for the giants guys that that you need to pay attention to and and study up on as we as we approached the Twenty twenty one. Nfl draft all right. Let's let's do this first. we'll talk about. We'll talk about my first three round draft. I used the pro football network simulator. There are several simulators out. There draft network has a simulator. I believe pro. football focus has a simulator. There are a couple of other. There's a fan speak simulator out there so there are plenty of choices and as we go through this Approaching the draft. I'll probably use various simulators to do this. One of the things that i try to do as i build these mock drafts. This one happens to be three rounder. You know maybe as we go along as i learn prospects a little bit more will go four rounds. Five rounds may be a full seven rounds but One of the things that i try to do is present different scenarios as we sit here in the middle of february. I'm not absolutely trying to predict the players that i think the giants will draft them trying to present different scenarios different ways that the draft could on fold and and and get opportunities to To talk about different players and different different ways to fill what we see as potential needs for the giants and obviously at this time of year. Although we love to talk about mock drafts. We love to discuss the draft. Were handicapped a little bit because free agency comes before the draft and we don't know what teams will do. We don't know if the giants will sign a top tier wide receiver. We don't know if they'll be able to To find some edge rushing help or cornerback help or or what they might do the free agency. We don't know yet what players they're going to To to move on from that are currently on their own roster as well but the speculation is fun. We know you enjoy it. I enjoy it so with all of that said. Let's get to To my picks in this first edition of our mock draft in in the first at number eleven i chose jalen waddell wide receiver from alabama. The reality was the other three receivers. Devante smith jomar chase. Kyle pits of florida. Were off the board also off. The board were cornerbacks. Patrick thirteen and caleb farley. That left waddell at eleven. And perhaps some of the edge rushers perhaps rashawn slater of of northwestern. I have said repeatedly throughout the off season that the biggest need for the giants going into twenty twenty one is to find weapons for quarterback. Daniel jones is his third season. So here i pretty much went with the chalk. Pick went with the the pick that that most of the mock drafts would make in this situation as well. I went with waddell the explosive wide receiver out of alabama guy. That's got returnability on kickoffs as well. So we we went right to write to the the biggest need with the best player available to fill that need in round two. I went with jalen phillips edge. Rusher out of miami at number forty three and here. This was really for me was a choice between phillips productive edge. Rusher out of miami. And jason alway of penn state another highly regarded talented edge. Rusher with a lot of traits long arms ability to bend some good explosion off the edge but a guy that had no real production at penn state in twenty twenty and i went with philips although he's got an injury history concussion history had retired once took a year off while he was at miami has had wrist injuries that required surgery. I went with philips. I mean this is a guy who has all of the traits that you want showed the ability both to rush standing up and with his hand in the ground at miami. He's got the long arms he's got the size he's got the ability to bend. The edge had nine sacks twenty nine hurries. Eighteen run stops this year for miami. I could not ignore that production in my story. A big you. i said you know. in this particular scenario. It wouldn't surprise me for the giants to pick away for the simple reason. That defensive line coach sean. Spencer coached away at penn. State knows the player knows exactly what the giants would be getting in if the giants were to pick away. I'm certain it would come with a strong recommendation from sean spencer. So but but i can't ignore the production so at number forty three. I went with phillips at seventy six for the giants in the third round. I took cornerback. Greg newsom out of northwestern six one one ninety held wide receivers to a thirty one point seven passer rating against when he was targeted in twenty. Twenty guy that has the the link the athleticism to play some man coverage and give giants option across from james bradberry yet a position where the giants needed or really had a revolving door in twenty twenty and needed some help going forward. So pretty much in this mock. I didn't make any trades. Didn't consider any trades. I pretty much went chalk. And i pretty much went. Tried in my three rounds to hit need positions. I don't always recommend quote unquote need picks but in this particular case. What i wanted to do is kind of go. Chalk kind of lay a baseline for the the mark drafts. That are to come over the next several weeks. If you follow those marks you will see that. Each one is done slightly different in some of those mocks. I'll make trades and some of those mocks. i may pick wide receiver in round one. I may go a different way the next time. Even though i might be presented with the choice of jalen waddell versus versus rashawn slater versus a cornerback versus and edge rusher. I may go a different way simply to to create a different discussion. But here i went pretty much chalk and you guys you know feel free to email big blue view that gmail.com let me know what you think of All of this mock let me know what you what you think of. The podcast as well are giants fans. Please hang in there as we take a break for word from our sponsors at sp nation. When we come back. I will be talking to senior bowl. Executive director jim nagy in an interview That i think you're really going to enjoy so stay. Tuned support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those stews. You've been eyeing with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in twenty nineteen giants fans. I'm always thrilled when our next guest makes a little bit of time to to join our our little new york. Giants related program. Have a chance right now to To get some draft related thoughts from senior bowl executive director. Jim nagy jim. Thank you very very much for joining. Throw the shadow and spending some time with us absolutely coming out with. Thanks for having me back. Hey i i need to start with this. I just need to start by congratulating you guys on pulling off a successful senior bowl in in this environment. I'm sure you know. I'm sure you guys feel good about that. As you most definitely should yeah researcher saying that it was definitely challenging year trying to pull off a senior replying in people from all over the country during a pandemic. So there were there. Were definitely we add to reinvent the wheel this year to make it happen. But you know we're working through our organ through our plan to fall in what really helped to his once. Football season started We had we had a lot of things laid out over the summer. Spring and summer in the never once. Football started any gaps. Pick the brains of friends at the the. Nfl at the college level. The see was working and not working once they had their once. They had their players in the building. It was a lot easier to formulate our plan and move forward in really once. We got to the point where we felt confident. We could pull it off stapley then it was that us full speed ahead and yeah i mean it's always a relief to get through senior weight because there's so much that goes into it but you know especially in a year like this year to bring modern thirty six players to mobile in the entire. Nfl jolly at one positive test out of over thirty six hundred tests given during the week. yeah we feel we feel very grateful and you know. The senior bowl is always an incredibly important part of the The pre draft process was it for you know for the nfl folks for the players that you were able to get involved in it. Was it more important this year just because of the circumstances because of no combine because a lot of these kids didn't get to you know or at least some of the kids didn't get to have a fall season was was even more important of an event. You know this time around Yeah i think it was. I think that's fair to say you know. I think smart teams have really moved away from combine evaluations. To be honest. i'm their gotten back there. Really the value of the combine is for the medicals the interviews Not as much on the on the workout stephanie. More i mean i was a part of teams that get burned by that stuff evaluating guys in shorts and t shirt so You know i. I really think. The teams are really focusing on our week. And the other all star games because it's actual real football but no it certainly surly more important and we told our we told our hundred thirty six guys when a guy here during a unique position because they're probably only hundred thirty six guys in this draft cycle That are going to be interviewed. Face-to-face with plexiglass obviously this year but interviewed face-to-face with all thirty two teams and be evaluated on the field for an entire week. And just that that that exposure to these decision makers is absolutely critical. I mean they're going to try to pull off road as this spring. But that's you know that's going to be mostly scouts crisscrossing the country doing that. It's not going to be gm's director level guys. The guys are going to be making the calls in april so Now it is without without the combine this year win without a normal day circuit Game in the nfl pa game. This was yeah. I do feel like the game took on a more importance this year. All right so let's so let's get down to get down to business here which which of your guys out of those hundred and thirty six guys who made themselves some money during the during the senior bowl week okay. How long do we have right now. I can go along with even go a really hard question because i feel like all these guys help themselves in one way or another. Whether it's on the field or in the interviews are just showing their competitiveness in talk nece love for football by coming here but i mean we think we could really go position physician across the board that i'm staring at right now. near mac jones surly helped himself of quarterbacks alabama. You know running back. Michael carter from north carolina. Elton self he had a great week. Wide receivers diaz kitchen west virginia. Josh palmer tennessee You know marty. Rogers clemson dmitri. Ucla You just eating worked across the board every single position guys. We were just getting through the end of the tape these next couple of days. We've been through every physician group but now we gotta go back and rewatch the game and some other things but Yeah i mean was there was a ton of guys. I mean really every position that that really showed out and some of them were a little bit of a surprise. Move like they wouldn't have been here if we didn't really like him as players. But you know it's always interesting to see which has come here are better than even than we thought. They were in a number of those guys this year as well. So let's let's talk a little bit obviously. Might my site covers the giants. And i think you know if if you if you follow the giants at all you kind of know what their needs are going into this offseason. They need some help for daniel jones at wide receiver. They could probably use some edge. Rusher help on defense. They could probably use a cornerback. Maybe maybe an additional linebacker maybe even some offensive line help so there are some areas slit. Let's actually talk about about on a couple of those. let's talk about wide receiver. And there's there's a couple of guys that were in your game that i've looked at that. Just jump off the page for me as I would love to see in a giants uniform. I mean one of those guys is is is nico collins and another one as a wide. Receiver is is area's tony. I mean if you can just tell me a little bit about those two guys that appreciate it The nice thing about this year's class in our game is kind of thirty one. Flavors comes a lot of different skill sets nico one of our biggest receivers down here. Along with like sage derived from from wake forest but nonni goes a guy that's measured six four two years to fifteen which is down about fifteen pounds from where he played two thousand nineteen tape at michigan so Curious to see what he was gonna like that lighter way much quicker much twitchy or player now that he was. I mean you gotta go 'cause because he opted out this year all the tape you've watched two thousand nineteen it's like this guy's also different player now And you can see it in his releases at the top around much much quicker Had some unbelievable place on the ball during the week. Some some really acrobatic stuff some great red zone stuff so a lot of guys. Six four to fifteen you know they. They struggle to release. They struggled at the top of morale in. That's a couple areas where nikos gotten a lot better now that he's trimmer it in gender Again if you're looking for a bigger in to me. He's not just a possession guiding more because he she runs really wants runs. Well now i mean nico looks on tape coming out a senior bowl. We got you look. Hi four guy. So when you got those measurable when six four to fifteen running. I four's i mean that's it's not many guys in the league that have that that tool set. So he's he's a really good one and then ca- darius is was obviously one of the most electric players in college football. This year have been watching could areas for six or seven years now going back to his high school days mobile and i play quarterback back then and but even from his i ever seen him when i was scout for the seahawks his freshman year at gatesville by far the most dynamic player on the field is a freshman In fact they've had really good receivers event band jefferson and cleveland freddie swain. I mean those guys all got drafted last year this year. They got trayvon. Grimes and in kediri. So it's not like he spent a school who has lacked wide receiver talent but he sees Justice changed direction. And you know how explosive is you know with the ball in his hands. And he's one of those guys to the measurable 's out because he's not the biggest guy but he plays really big with the ball in his hands. He's really powerful. Your contact is taught these aggressive. The football makeup is really off the charts when it comes to passion for the game and competitiveness when he gets on the field and you know as a route runner. He's just he's really hard cover because he can because he's so quick change in direction and he knows how the set up of So yeah he's going to. I think leagues looking for guys. Like deebo samuel. Who is in our game a couple years ago. That's kind of the trend right now. Trying to find that guy you just get the ball on his hands. Quick and let them make glaze in other areas is the next one line in that in that old. What's the chance. I think I know the giants pick eleven. Which i think gives them forty three in the second round. What's the chance. he's still sitting there. Forty three zero. That's what i thought. No he's gonna be long gone by then just to just to dynamic of a player you know there's just too much playmaking ability there and he can return punts So now he won't he won't be there. Nicos probably got a chance to be there. I think that's kind of the area. Where do you go right now. You know that lake wanderley to area. So they're completely different. Skill sets that. Bring completely different things to the table for the giants. But like you said daniel weapons. They need that. They need to surround a young quarterback like that with people that can make place on orthodox guys would certainly help in that area. I know there were a ton of guys in in your game stage surat. You know talent. Wallace amari. Rogers dwayne s ridge. Just tell me you know just quickly about a couple of those guys you think might be. You might be good. Fits or good targets for the giants. Yeah Espirages a guy that i think is is gonna go somewhere in that lake. Wanderley to range as well You know just playing. In the mac western michigan played it a completely different speed than everyone else. And so you wonder like. Is it the level of competition or like you know. How fast is he really. Because he looks blazing fast on tape and then he comes down here and practice two days but Collarbone injury chest injury at the end of the second day but no one could cover him. I mean he's he's probably going to be a low forty three guy. He's tremendous with the ball on his hands is not. It's not quite the change of direction guy that could areas but like equally dangerous. When he gets the ball discussing can is is for step. Acceleration is off the charts. So disconnection there you mentioned thailand wallis. What am i players in the draft. He's he's really a pro's pro receiver again. I got it. It's only five eleven one eighty five plays like he's six to fifteen again. Throw throw the measurable thailand. Lucky he plays big on the pali place big with the ball in his hands. He's competitive a really fiery competitor. So he's a really good one In really the guy that people have to focus on that should begin in a lot of traction not a senior bowl weakest your metric from ucla He played mostly running back at ucla. So we kind of did the opposite of what we did last year with antonio gibson who ended up having an awesome rookie year this year for washington is they're starting running back. Antonio is a wide receiver in college. Brought him down here. And i told him antonio you're you're gonna be an okay receiver to the next level. But you gotta jesse a really good running back. So why don't you come down here and kinda showcase that for the week. Let the league see nowhere. You're at instincts. Wise is a runner and He did that. I think that dmitry did the same thing at wideout guy that never been a fulltime receivers played out there a little bit. But he's more of a running back by trade. His his drought savvy and his ability to create separation. Is it's pretty unique here. I mean he won the receiver of the week award voted on by his team's corners that we're trying to cover them all week trying to cover a successively for the most part but Got open all week made a bunch of tremendous catches so to beatrix really one of those guys that the next level. You don't wanna label because you can put him in the backfield and you can get three down value out of that running back then you could put him in a slot and he even won a bunch outside. He won down the field vertically outside this week as well so You know probably coming into the week to meet. Drake was python is more of a mid round tank. But i don't see him get not a day to now after the wiki down here in the league loves those kinds of guys now that you know the guys that they can move around and do different things with just more on the league's going to that kind of player absolutely. Let's let's change gears a little bit. The giants got by in twenty twenty pass rush wise Leonard williams a great year they got to into the world the scheme up some some pressure some some other ways They don't necessarily have that. That number one dominant pass rusher. Who who always needs to be double teamed into to be honest. I'm not sure that that guy is in this draft class either at least where the giants are going to be able to to select but there were a couple of guys in your game that i think are probably day too tight picks who who can at least help a team in pass rush area in the guy that that keeps jumping off the page to me and i thought a little bit that i saw from from senior bowl week is is the kid out of miami. Quincy rochet when i look at him. I mean he doesn't look like a tremendous athlete to me but he just keeps winning. I mean what are your thoughts on this kid. He i thought you were gonna say quincy i actually when you started setting that up of no. He's one of those causes better than i thought he was. We liked him for two years now going back to his time at temple. Yeah he's not a while. You athlete. Although i will say this during our weeks seen him live. Us twitch year in a little more slippery and bendy than i thought he was I guess the biggest compliment you know. I could give a guy that he's just a really hard block. He makes people working block him. You see a lot of guys like have a good rep here you know. They'll flashier in flash there but quincy all week. I don't know of anyone ever really got their hands on amid made it look just locked him up. He's he knows how to set guys up knows how to rush. That's why i think he's got a chance to contribute. Immediately at the next level is on third down in sub situations. Because that's a big jump from college. Football were offense alignment are really skilled using their hands yet to league where those guys have to pick up the tricks of the trade in nada do those and so that's why it's hard sometimes for young pass rushers to really be impactful right away. But i think quinn's he's got a chance to get enough contribute in a big way next year because he already knows how to ross been a knows how to set guys up. He knows how to counter. We know southfield pressure He's really good with his hands relentless so yeah he had a really good week down here and Yeah i'm with you. I think he's somewhere on day two and he's probably going to be better player in outperform wherever he gets picked. Because that's kinda klarius. He's just a producer. It's interesting because that was. That was kind of the the way that i was thinking of him to is. He might be a kid who wherever he gets picked. He's going to outperform. That draft slot was sort of the same way. I was thinking about him but yeah let let let me ask you one of the talk. I get comments from fans about oh. The giants should draft this guy in that guy. This guy can help their pass rush but one of one of the interesting things is the giants basically a three four so a lot of their edge guys. Are you know the stand up kinds of guys and so i. I look at a lot of these kids who play so much in college as four three defensive ends and it's hard for me to envision. A kid like patrick jones is one who played a lot of four three at pitt. It's hard for me to envision guys as sort of a standup end in three four. So i'm just. I'm just want to ask you know other than quincy. You may be a couple of other guys you know from your game or a couple of other guys. That might even be day two types. You know who who can really be sort of that that stand up in a pass rush in and you know maybe drop into coverage on occasion. Yeah i don't see this guy dropping into coverage much carlos basham bogeyed Lake forest is a really cool player. Because he can. He can pressure from anywhere along the line and i think he can stand up and do it. We seen him do it. he can also lineup inside over guards in whoop them swells so boogie might might be a first-round guy you know. There's a really good chance book. He goes in the first round. But if we're talking more dates you like exactly what you were. Just kinda describe in dalen hayes. Notre dame is a guy that that really showed out during our week You know he did play on his feet. He did play from two point. A little bit there notre dame. They dropped him a little bit of what we did. A lot more down here with him and he looked really good at it. gallic ellison smith out of out of northern iowa is a really high upside guy with with all the physical traits. You need if there were a combine. This year elyssa valor. What have been kind of the buzz guys coming out of india this year. Because he's gonna test off the charts. He's another guy because of his length. I think you can move inside. Move them all around But he's athletic enough to play on speed and get a lot done. Jonathan cooper from ohio. State wyatt uber from kansas state. Shocking tony from penn state is a guy that just like you talked about with his hand of the dirt mostly for penn state came down here Got to stand up more to cover more. And there's there's a lot more to shock at tony than than probably what you saw on penn state tapie. He's a pretty feasible really versatile player interesting. Let's let's talk quickly about the cornerback position. Obviously the giants have james bradberry but they sort of had a revolving door at the other corner in probably played a lot more zone than patrick. Graham would like a sort of because of largely because of that second corner if go if they don't go for a guy like patrick thirteen or caleb farley at eleven. You had a couple of guys later that that might be able to. You know to to start at corner on the on the other side especially guys. I mean. Do some man. Yeah mean your your nickel spots. Pretty solved with ornate homes as well right darnay within in our game last year and he played he played at a high level for the giants of am i right there. Yes okay so you got so. You're really looking for outside guys in There are a number of i mean erin robinson centrum. Ucf is one of my favorite corners of this class. Because because you can move them around here. Monday a lot of minka fitzpatrick would make was it alabama. They act is a guy that started off alabama but he played mostly in the slot for ucf. But he's just a baller. I mean could play matt safety. You can play outside really good player. I think one of the biggest rise coming out of our game somewhat up in your neck of the woods. He fought From syracuse. your big six. Three two hundred and fifteen pounds Really benz and moves easily for a guy size. Got his hands on a lot of balls down here last week. Rather rochelle is a small school guy from central arkansas cadillac bradberry james clayton in the senior bowl. Before i got here but I remember Scouted him at samford. Roberts really similar level competition in college. So you know just like a dude with james probably took james you know year or two to really to really break out at the next level. Roberts probably a little bit that same vein that if you need a guy next year to upright in. I don't know if robert's going to be that guy but he's probably gonna go at the tail end date to Just because he's long can really run. He's competitive knows how to play the ball and then a guy you know another guy. They really played himself up last week. As keith taylor from washington so another long body know six one long good pressman player and again a guy that really stood out last week in coverage. Yeah i it's funny. I was thinking about keith taylor. I'm glad you mentioned him. Because because every time. We have talked to patrick graham. About what sort of player. He likes specially out in in coverage. He says he says do they have long arms can run and can they tackle these. They can do those three things. I like well. And then i'll have to bring up a guy that is probably under most radars is a is a junior played. Our game named benjamin saint juiced from minnesota. He was six. Oh three three two hundred pounds with thirty two inch arms in an eighty and a quarter wingspan so that's rare that's rare size. There's only seven corners in the league right now over six three and most of them are stiffed in benjamin's definitely not stiff. He can really and he did a great job getting his hands on people. A lot of scrimmage down here again came out early at one more year left at minnesota and You know that that that type of height and length. He's going to wear it competitive down your physical competitive. I think that you know the league right now is all over the kid. I don't think that Draft twitter and the internet is caught up yet on ban but They will. They will when they when they start leaking out how much the league likes them. So that's probably another guy giants to be looking at interesting. Hey jim you know we could We could do this all day. But i think probably. That's that's probably a good place for us to to to call it a day. Hopefully before the draft will get you back on. We'll talk about some other guys. We'll talk about some other positions. Really really appreciate your time. Why don't you just let folks know what your twitter is. An and all that You know before. I let you go. Okay yeah they can follow the senior bowl that senior bowl on twitter And mine is at jim nagy underscore sp for senior bowl and Yeah we'll be posting stuff every day. I'm gonna to a video clips from our week a couple of times per day a couple of players a day as we work through the draft process. And then i'm going to be starting back up doing doing work. Espn here in about a week between now in the draft like have the last couple of years so yeah just give us apollo and hopefully will be posting some good stuff and keeping the giants fans In tune with with gaza come for team next year. We we we always. We always appreciate the help. So thank you very very much for for coming on all right giants fans. That's our show for today. Thanks as always for listening and supporting big blue view on its many platforms which include not only the website and the podcast but youtube instagram facebook and our twitter page also please remember and covid nineteen is is still raging out. 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4-21-21 - Mo Egger With Jim Nagy

Mo Egger

14:06 min | 5 months ago

4-21-21 - Mo Egger With Jim Nagy

"All right eight days away. Nfl draft allegra. This is espn fifteen. Thirty and one of my favorite folks to follow and get insight from his. Jim navy was the executive director of the recent senior bowl. Nfl draft analyst longtime nfl scout nearly twenty years and a great twitter follow especially this time of year at jim nagy underscore as be and this time of year also pulled in a thousand different directions. He's asked to go on everybody's radio show and podcast so nice enough of him to carve out some time for us this afternoon. Jim i appreciate it. How are you doing great. First of all i'm gonna ask you about prospects and we'll talk about the bengals and all that just from from his scouts perspective. This time of year is world about a week away from the draft. How much of the hey is in the barn. How much work is still to be done. Describe for me what. The next week is like for an nfl scouts. Yeah probably a little bit different depending on the building but but the hague mostly in the barn for sure what they're doing right now if there's anything dealing with the board You're working to kind of come clusters a different position where you've got two. Three four guides graded right there at the same level. There's you know when you go through meetings. There's not a clear consensus where you haven't stacked and a lot of times you know. Gm assign a couple of scouts. Couple of coaches to go. And watch that that cluster players and try to sort them out figure it out. Come back in the room and and present. Why beckham a certain way. Try to come into some sort of team consensus on that You're not really moving up and down the board just trying to stack them within that that great group. So there's a little bit of that Big time of year for scouts right now to it really. Put the recruiting house on You know this is. This is their one shot to really go out and recruit players to help their team and you can add a lot of great players in in rookie free agency And so what you're doing right now is just really working. The phones in hopefully you've been laying that groundwork Throughout the their pre-draft process going back to january. When you met some of these guys at at all star games or whatnot in a typical year and then the decision making group most teams is really getting on the strategy part of it. You know you've got your needs and you got to figure out where you need to take certain players which i'm sure cincinnati looking at right. Now we do. We go line early here You know and circle back in and add talent. You know at perimeter guys or playmakers for joe later or vice versa. And so yeah. You're just trying to look at the overall draft and your needs fit in and where you feel like you really have to take them where we're certain shelves are physicians and where it's going to get past or you feel comfortable So you're trying to find that range where you really have to take a guy so lot of strategizing A lot more strategizing right now in evaluating you were you referenced. Getting guys on the outside for joe burrow and that brings the conversation to jomar chase you were at his pro day at lsu which as you might imagine But there were folks here who have one of the bengals the get smart chasing before then who are doing cartwheels at the measurable as somebody who was there for the workout. Describe it. yeah he knocked it out of the park You know vertical jump forty inches and broad jumped. Eleven feet and ran. I had him four three eight. There was a couple scouts behind me in the line. that had them for three six So yeah he. He couldn't have a better approach. And it really. The position drills are what stood out. I mean he had one of those workouts were sculptor kind of looking over each other. After arap like oh my gosh did you see that. I mean he's just really controlled. Really smooth confident confident. Catcher of the football Explosive so yeah he he had one of the better wide receiver workouts. I can remember ever seeing the production at lsu in two thousand. Nineteen was off the charts. Obviously catching passes from joe burrow as fans. We like to to create these cute narratives a reunion cincinnati. You get joe with the guy that he bangs on the table for with with duke tobe and the people in the front office but from a practical matters as you're evaluating what jomar chased can do and as you're determining whether or not you're gonna use the fifth pick on him does the fact that he played in college with a quarterback that he would be playing within the. Nfl does that even factor in the decision making factors in a little bit You would definitely want to get the feedback from joe on that. In just the type of relationship they had obviously. They had good hunk fields chemistry when they connect for twenty touchdowns and seventeen hundred plus yards. But you you do you want to you you really want to get a player's perspective on a lot of these guys in teams do that. I mean that's a big part of the time to is that In a normal year. If you're in the building right now as a scout getting ready for the draft and some some veteran players are are milling around you know during an offseason workout and you seem in the cafeteria. I mean you seek those guys out especially especially the a young guy in your author. That's been in college over the last three or four years and they would know these players so you're trying to get all the input you possibly can because everyone the-these players through a little bit different lens whether it'd be at the school or former teammates in the locker room so Yeah you want you want. Joe's input and again. I do think it's kind of a storyline deal If you're talking about a wide receiver they're it. It's not just your march eighth devante smith and it's jalen waddell and you really have to figure out what what fits best in your offense and maybe how each player diversifies your group. You know mean looking at that. They're looking at that cincinnati group. They got boyd and higgins. And i'm a big body like auden tate. I mean you're just trying to figure out what fits your team back. So i mean maybe get a little feedback from joe and that that's a great story but you gotta look those other guys as well because just just talking to my friends around the league. I mean everyone's got those guys in a different order. Your march is not the presumptive number one wide receiver so They're all very talented all right. Let's let's talk about the guy who for many has been the presumptive number one tack on that would be a soul and we've made it a conversation about soul versus chase with some kyle pits. Talk mixed in you. Have sean slater on your draft board rank higher than pineda soul. Can you go into why. Yeah i mean it's all going back to last summer and we watched him. I think that Again anytime i have this conversation. It looks like you're knocking penicillin. I'm really not trying to. I just feel like the media kind of put the goal jacket on honestly and then nobody wants to take off. Jimi you have no idea i. In december till in cincinnati now. Hey he's the next. Anthony munoz and i'm like number one unfair to the kid and number two. You never watch. Anthony munoz blake one hundred one hundred percent. So that's a complete disservice dependent tool and you're right. I mean you're talking about one of the top. Five tackles in the history of football. What are we. What are we doing so no need to really good prospects. But i mean even the guys. I've done over the last twenty years the tyrant smith the joe thomas like i don't put him up with those guys He's a really good player. He's gonna come in and start for somebody and be a really good player but again i've later over him slightly. I think You know. I like him as a finisher. A little better i think he's. He's played better high in competition. If you if you go through pennies went up against over his career at in the pac twelve at the next level talent He went up. Against and i think a lot you tucker from. Usc the more work done on him since the senior bowl i kinda circle the wagons on him because he was not eligible for our game That guy's really good player to Of them have prototype. Tackle measurable stall. These guys have shorter arms. That shows up with tape now. that that's one of the knocks on for that i have is that he gets over extended. He reaches the london. You can clean that up with with with technique work but but he gets out linked and So he's not like the perfect prospect. He's a really good player. But the fact it like. I said we're a goes back to my time in new england and maybe this goes all the way back to parcels but would make a comment and skopje only in the draft room. He's like let's not put him in canton yet. Nagy and and i think we a lot. A lot of the media has put a few players in that draft class in canton already. Yeah no it. It feels like that jim nagy. Executive director of the senior bowl is on twitter at jim. Nagy underscore espy. Espn nfl draft analyst. I think at the same time we we often talk about the draft. Like it's a one day event and so if it's a conversation about lineman versus wide receiver They're going to take one of those two positions in all likelihood then it becomes a matter of what they do on friday and how they feel about what they can do on. Friday should significantly influence what they do on thursday. And so i guess what i would want to know for the two positions. We've talked about if they take jomar chase for example now they need a on in round two thirty eighth pick or in round three same thing if take solo rashaan slater and now they want to address wide receiver on friday What do we like about the crop of prospects. That could be available to them at those two positions in rounds. Two and three. You really couldn't ask for to position of need in you're strapped You know aligning better than than offensive line and wide receiver. Both extremely deep There's going to be really good. Tackle options there in the in the second. And third rounds. I mean you're going to be able to get starting offensive linemen including the interior guys. You're gonna get those guys in the late third early fourth round if you do it right And then the receiver classes. Well i mean it's it's more of a slot driven group this year. Not as many guys but sitting looking at your group. With with boyd and higgins and tate you got size There's the you know if you wanna go with a smaller more explosive playmaker. You got guys that. Mari roger in round two from clinton shot smith from carolina. I mean there's there's a lot of players so that it's a good. It's a good situation. They're in right now with coot to positions of nick. We've watched them in free agency. Overhaul the defense. We can argue to what extent. They've made it better. It's does feel like they could still use some help at the edge position. That's not going to be something. They do on thursday Not even sure. It's going to be something. That's on their radar on on friday at the edge rusher position. How do we like this group. Yeah it's It's another one that works out in the bengals benefit. Because there's you can argue the high end talent. Isn't there this year. I really liked quickly. Pay at michigan. I like these older osceola. Georgia jalen phillips is is an immediate impact guy from miami and then there there's a little bit of a gap for me But there's some there's some really good depth in that middle of the third to probably end the fourth round. I'm a lot of good names of guys that you know. Maybe not double digit sack is if they were going to be that they'd be up there in the first round but we're talking about guy like depth level guys rotational guys that are gonna get six seven eight sacks a year and those guys are really valuable. I mean you guys went out and paid a lot of money for trey hendrickson this year. And that's what he worked up until this year he was that kind of guy and then he had he had a breakout year so there's a bunch of quincy rochet for miami Both guys Patrick jones and weaver You can go all the way to notre dame guys yeah kinda kinda close mid west audio dodgy and dale and hayes. And it's it's a really. It's a really nice group in that in that that middle round area where you can get guys can come in and play right away and really really at your rotation quickly. I'm just curious For from the standpoint of executing the senior bowl to the entire pre-draft process we talked about what the next week or so is like for a scowl. Walk me through the difficulties that a year like this has presented personnel department. Says they prepare for next weekend. Yeah i mean. Everyone thought last year's draft. Was you know different. Because we all watched the drafting. Everyone is making their picks in their living rooms. But but that process was a lot cleaner. the scouts were out in the build out in college campuses all year and in the building Walking up and down hallways knocking on position coaches doors shutting the door behind him getting real information from these guys whereas this year and they were on a bunch of zoom calls. That's what it was. And we were thankful enough that all they schools let us onto doom calls with the teams and so we were on those with them and again it was great that school set it up and we were. We were grateful But it was a lot of it was vanilla information so what the what the teams are trying to do is play catchup right now anytime you can get face to face with the guy the school that's why produce more important They did get some some face time with coaches and and that's the way the senior bowl even took on extra Importance this year because we connected these players face to face with the teams so the players have been on zooms the rest of the spring but mobile was their only opportunity to really get face to face and We're glad we brought that together. You know we're not going to move forward with our game if we didn't think we could do it safely. Covert with a huge concern. We we took months and months and months of planning but once we got to a point where we knew we could do it safely and bringing everyone together it was supposed to be the head and and We're we're we're grateful. We had one positive test out of thirty six hundred tests. We had during the week so it. It came off great but Yeah it's definitely this. Everything's process has been impacted from Going back to last summer. Hopefully when i bother you this time next year we're talking about a far more normal process something that we Something that i think what we want for. We want for a number of different reasons not the least of which is preparing for the nfl draft. Jim i appreciate the time man. Thank you so much for me up. My gym nagy is the executive director of the senior bowl. Nfl draft analyst for espn on twitter. At jim nagy underscore s b seventeen minutes. After four o'clock. Five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty. You'll hear joe burrow talk about jomar chase next on. Espn fifteen thirty.

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Position Prototype - Edge Rushers. Identifying what makes the ultimate edge rusher (Von Miller, Khalil Mack, J.J. Watt))

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

55:15 min | 2 years ago

Position Prototype - Edge Rushers. Identifying what makes the ultimate edge rusher (Von Miller, Khalil Mack, J.J. Watt))

"And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks walking sticks presented by New Era Bucky. We are going to continue on with our edge prototype podcast today. The prototype series spent a lot of fun in this one. I think's our best one oh I think it is best when we've talked about it here a couple position that we call the market positions in the team building process the edge rusher is essential. You talk about outside the quarterback maybe the most interesting it is is the edge rusher can affect the quarterback in the way that he plays and so being able to really do a deep dive into edge Russia's was separates some degrade ones from the others how how you kind of planet in place to become dominic edge rusher how you set it up where you made his splash plays and key moments. I can't wait to talk to the guys that we have McCoy trouble anti sack J._J.. Watt breaks down play fake. Watch it will be hit and doughty goes in the backfield. There's von Miller. He's GonNa get hit. He's GONNA get sack. The JAGS got him. Saxon bill reared his head Callejas Campbell got darnold with a pocket collapsing. Here's a sack rip down. Chevy on cloudy gets home to bring down Darnold Arnold snap back for big push by Mac. Daddy goes two and a half sack's MAC attack. We've got some great guests talking about Willie McGinnis Future Hall of Famer in our opinion demarcus where he's you're GonNa be hall of Famer and we've got the man who runs a senior bowl longtime n._F._l.. Personnel Man Jim Nagy on to talk about these edge rushers book. I feel like a lot of times in sports. It's popular <hes> way of thinking right now. People want to know your why. Why are you doing what you're doing? So why don't you explain to the folks why we're doing this prototype series Oh because I think this is a great opportunity for us to educate the listeners on what we're looking for at specific positions a lot of times when when people throughout list and rankings love who's the best edge Russia wise guy when I just look at the sack line and you know he may not have the number sacks of the number one guy but it's about the traits it's about the guy that can consistently get it done. I'll be honest with a little bias because <hes> in my. Tom Is not only a player to scout. I had a chance to play with some great ones roll up names here when you think about having to roll into the League Bruce Smith WHO's already reggie white whose another whole not not a bad not about Kansas City with Derrick Thomas Famer and they're being able to go to Carolina we drafted a kid named Julius peppers who has also been dominant player when you've been around those kind of guys and you see them in practice and see them in big games and big moments. Take it over the edge rusher position is near and dear to my heart. I love it. You've been around some great ones and we're GONNA chance to discuss what we look for in that position. Keep in mind if you want to catch up and you're missing the series. You haven't caught all the episodes. The offense is in the book. It's all out there for you can check it out. quarterback run back receiver tied and offensive line. We've got episodes on each of those positions. Which I think the folks at home <hes> will enjoy but again you? She said it quarterback number one edge rusher number two. I think you talked to most of Irish around the league. They will agree with that priority and when you're looking at this position specifically <hes> one of the non-negotiables. What do you have to have first thing for me is get off? I'm looking guy that can come off the snap like a hurricane like Cadillac witness first step quickness being able to put immediate pressure on the office of tackle to me that is essentially I think you have to to have that in your playbook to be able to be dominant player got and get you fifteen sixteen seventeen six a year I think next thing I think you have to have outstanding hands because so much of being able to get to the quarterback is about winning the hand to hand combat battle. Do you have an array of moves secrets your moods where you can get off if you can't win with fastball meeting your speed and quickness and then finally I think you've gotTa have a Non Stop Motor. So much of getting the quarterback down is about the effort energy that you expand. Can you give them first second third effort when it doesn't go right away. Are you relentless in your approach. Those guys that are relentless attack warriors. Those are the ones that are hard to block over the course of begin. I I'm with you. Those are the three I would list only thing I would say as I might switch the around a little bit and just just say if I'm looking at a college player and you're evaluating get off as number one for me. That's where we start and that's all caps to be. If you're if you're getting ready to watch a player that's Russian passer right down. Get off in all caps on your paper before you turn on the tape because you wanna constantly thinking about that and I would finish in all caps a little right underneath it and if I've got somebody with great get off and great finish hey we can work with you on the hands we can. We can get better. We can teach and you can learn. I think you've got get off for you. Don't I think you're innately a Finnish or you're not to me. Those are the things I'd like to start with and then we can work on the rest absolutely yeah the finish because there's something to be said. We're being able to get the guy down. There are a lot of guys who are that's a skill. Yes near misses. Oh I could have got their touch him but I don't bringing the quarterback down is a skill is trait is essential the other thing that I would throw in there somewhere disruption meaning. Can they force bomohs. Can he knocked the ball the way they have an instinct that creates the turnover because we know this this game is decided by turnovers you win to turn about about plus when you went sixty four percent of the games so a defensive player an edge rusher deck and create a Tomahawk Chop a forceful a turnover those guys got a separate themselves from the other goes and I also think as has with <hes> with quarterbacks when you're watching <hes> tape. We talked about it in the quarterback episode those key moments those questions. I think it was Kurt Warner even said I want to see how you perform when everything's on the line on a big stage in a big game I look at Pastor says the same way Gimme Gimme a close game on the fourth quarter Gimme third down in eight and you gotTa make something happen that to me is what separates the good from the great. We talk about it. I need to close it one more Mario Rivera to come in and I wanted to shed the game out when we're up. The reason we're paying ED versus. Twenty million dollars is for the fourth quarter. When the game is on the line they key moment third and long? Everyone in the stadium noses a pass. Everyone knows that you're the guy I still need you to be the guy that can get there and get it done. In that is the difference between what I think are the premier guys the guys that are guys that are kind of flashes in the no doubt and there's also the imagery I sometimes like the imagery with quarterbacks say okay if you can't imagine in your head the Confetti falling on their head at a super bowl one and then you got got the wrong quarterbacks and to me when I look at edge rushers if you can get one on one late in the game and the opposing offense coordinator is not sweating bullets then you have the wrong guys pre-marriage I think is as simple as we're looking at the tape and you're looking at a guy being in college beauty the pros. Do you feel like you have to put a little extra attention in his way. Do we need a slot protection to aside because he can take the game over by himself and I think we look at the premier you guys in our league. They have shown you time after time. They can take over the game Aaron donalds. He's inside player never really edge rusher but a dominant pass rusher von Miller. We've seen J._J.. Watt we've seen others. Those guys have shown you if you leave me one one on one side in well. I can take what I'm looking for. I WanNa guy can absolutely take over to game into a bump so that's what we're looking for. Let's get to these conversations. I think the folks can enjoy these <hes> coming up again demarcus where in Jim Nagy excellent conversations but starting things off off. It's our colleague here at N._F._l.. Media Willie mcginest a dominant pass rusher especially when the Games matter you talk about being able to make it happen when it counts. Nobody's done it better than our first guest Willie mcginest forty nine seconds remaining in the game gulch bulge with no timeouts remaining other third and eight at the Patriots Seventeen Patch lead by three points manning out of a shotgun textile snap. Here's the rush by winning back at the thirty yard the block look we're GonNa talk about edge rushers and focus on the position I mean who's better to talk to our next guest here with Willie Mac Willie mcginest Willie the number eighty six number eighty six anything you sacks. I think think that's it okay. That's just eighty-six. No big deal just eighty six year career. No big deal no man but you know well. We'll get into it but yeah. The eighty-six is a good number. Number is two postseason number etc right because you don't combined sixteen the U._S. but my my role was a little bit different as a as a edge rusher slash outside linebacker slash guy who was in covered so is different from me. Well I think about it being different different when you when you look at today's game and you look at the pass Russia's what are some of the core trays that you look for an elite pass. I I think when you talk about lean a guy being this backup hands okay you talk about a guy can he uses hands. Can you separate offense of lime and they want to take away the space. It's our job to create space so they can't grab us put their in had them put their hands on us and slowest down so when I whenever I talked to young pass rushers I always tell them you use your hands. Create Separation Office of Linemen are like puppet when you give them something they shoot. You know you give them a little bit of something they shoot. They're taught to shoot their hands. So you gotta be able to use your hands really well. Not Give your whole frame half a man we always talk about getting half a man giving them as Lisa's possible when you're pass rushing the other thing I think great is really good <hes> when you watch really really good pass rush. Is there get off. I think von Miller probably is the best in the game. He reminds reminds me of the late great <hes> Derrick Thomas talk about you. Get off getting off the ball that first step whenever you do drills working on that first step to gain ground and then having moved to set up other moves no you can't be one dimensional. I think you gotta give an offensive Lineman. A good offensive lineman a lot of different moves to win and keep them mixed up off balance. What is it all so what does it all build off of the Willie we kind of going through a lot of these terms and I wrote down? Get off hands power bend having a counter but if you're going to if you're if you're building a pass rusher what what is the first thing you'd want to start with I would say getting off the ball speed and explosion you know being able to being able to looking and get off the ball. It really doesn't matter if you can't get off the ball and at first step and you don't have that explosiveness. It doesn't really matter unless you're playing inside now. As you move further to the edge further to that nine technique you gotta be able to run and get off that ball and then I think hands I think hands is the best best thing over especially long arm guys guys that have really long arms like myself hunter you watch him is a Daria Smith. There are a lot of players a really long as you can. Use that hand to separate yourself and you know when I when I came into the League Bruce Armstrong was all pro left tackle with the New England patriots and we're doing one on ones in practice he's to kick my all the time he used to be but and I and I would tell them bruce what are you doing. I'm not paying attention to you. GotTa figure it out rookie. GotTa figure it out a star watching tape. I'll slow down the tape it was his inside hand wasn't the outside in a lot of people focus on it was his inside hand he was getting it on my hip and pushing me out and he was punching me with the pulling it back and then he would grammy what the outside hand so I'll went back and I was like I got it now. See what it is. I didn't tell them so. I stuck my hand inside which put his hand behind me. I got to have a man and now all I had to do was beat one hand and when I started beating them he started laughing. He's like you figured it out as my inside punch that you couldn't stop so I think hands is are very very important office. Ally WanNa grab you and they want to wrap you up. They want to suffocate you. They don't want you to to have that space. They don't want you running. They want you running right in the middle of most of most office of tackles are bigger than defensive ends in outside linebackers so they're going to win that power battle the majority of the Times but when you have speed when you have great hands now they're light now. They're on their feet and now they're thinking in their dancing then that's when you mix in the other stuff like the speed the power like the shaken begging go inside then you give them a fake inside and you pop back outside you just start doing everything to them to keep them off balance so when you when you think about the way gas progress going from college to the pros how much can be picked up when you are pro how much of his natural how much of something that you can learn from coach Kinda show you how to sequence your moves. I think there's certain guys that have the natural ability to pass rush when you look at a lot of guys now they're just great athletes right there fast. They're great athletes so a lot of these coaches don't develop them. At a young age they put them at the edge and they say just run around and tackle and once you start going against in college or in the pros really good tackles whether right or left tackles you realize just that been A. and lean in that move don't work all the time they figure that out they figured that stuff out so now you gotta add different moves and things to your repertoire. Now you gotTA figure out okay if I beat him around edge. What is he going to do is gonNA kick hard? He's GonNa get out there because it's coach going to say hey you. GotTa Get out there. You gotta get your hands on. You know that so then you get off the balls fast. You can't want to step boom third step. You're inside you beating them inside because he's going to overset you so now. The coach is going to get on them. Hey you can't give up the inside the fastest path. After the quarterback don't be so aggressive so now you got him thinking now. You got them light now. He's not jumping out is then inside now. He's sitting up higher so now you come off the ball flying while he's thinking trying to figure it out boom you give them that speed to power so now you run him over so there's a lot of different moves that you do and I think with certain players who already have a spe- rush which most of them do now was to counter you could do a spin move move inside. What's the other movers shaken bake? You can fake ache like you going inside the head Bob Game Ahead. Make him sit down when you do that is so they can sit down because they gotta protect that inside they sit down and then you get back outside now that you've got them Kinda lot on their feet. Usually if you find off the ball they're running you catch them trying to kick with that leg boom and you get your hand inside that chest plate and now you run them so there's a lot of different things you can do based on that one I love that and it all builds off of each other the way you're discussing that out there will be one of the things I used to enjoy still do it now because we have the technology to do it but I enjoy watching <laughter> sack tapes at the end of the year print out like the top ten guys in terms of sacks and you just watch their real and see how they're getting home and one of the things it's it's always stick out to me and it's it's been that way in the pass. Today is how many sacks are kind of on your secondary rush. I can't tell you in buck. I know you sit in the same thing with teammates in scouting side and will you saw what your teammates those rookies that get out there willie in their initial rushes is stopped and their feet go dead. They think the plays over and you're like man. There's there's five or six sacks. Some of these guys pick up a year off of a secondary Russian what goes into that the tenacity be able to to fight through that or you. Just gotTa understand that you know sometimes your initial move is not always going to be your perfect. Move is not always gonNA work but you have to keep fighting and once like I said the worst thing is for the lion to get their hands off you but if you can maneuver and work your hands and get loose have an motor being able to keep going and keep finishing the play I sometimes guys are not going to be opened away. Sometimes the secondary do a great job that covering and they take away that I look sort of quarterbacks going to pull the ball down the other thing is you're. You're taught and ice to hear this from parcells all the time. The worst place for pass rusher is behind a quarterback right so if you got that quarterback peripheral and he still even with you and you're rushing edge you can see if he pulls that ball down the lyman has no clue what is going on on behind him so if you stop usually hill kind of ease up because he thinks the ball is gone or the players over he doesn't know he's working off you basically so you have to be really good at reading a quarterback understanding when he pulls that ball down now where's his escape. Where's his escape lanes? Where's he going to go? Never give up the outside because that's usually you keep guy on you inside shoulder but if you can get around that Horn and he's still in their pocket you gotTa keep running. If he's trying to step up you can give him a fake like going there. What is the quarterback onto? He's going to try to pop out so we can buy time so he can run and throw the football so a lot of it in my opinion is extinct jewel like you gotTa have great instincts but you also got to know what everybody else's doing you. You know across the front if you've got guys that are attacking certain gaps. You know there's certain places he can't go so you can kind of take a calculated. Guess where you need to be or where the quarterback ski escaped lane is GonNa be and Kinda beat him to the punch so much of over you talked about it's been about pass rushing getting after the quarterback and those things but the complete has also able to set the edge factors against a run so when you look at the great ones if you're talking about a great defensive in what does it take to be a guy that also is able to stop the room. When it comes to running outside? I would say just depending on what the coverage is like for me. It was always depending on the coverage. We didn't really do much corner force where the corner hat to force it was either me or Rodney Harrison or mere lawyer Malloy. It was the outside linebacker or was the the strong safety who said the edge so for me. I understood that when I had forced I made sure I gave myself enough space. I didn't get too tight. I was able to take care of the gap that was responsible for by pushing the tied in or the tackle in that gap but also keep my shoulder free and and keep my is my head and is on the outside where a lot of edge guys get in trouble is when a back starts to play inside and they look in a peak and then alignment seals them and then back pops out mutton always be the aggressor always be guy to attack so I would fly off the ball and I would bang the tied in and I was started manhandle him or the tackle and I would set in established myself outside John Already. I want it that back or whoever to see me outside to let them know right away you can't get outside the force taking care of they'll stop their feet immediately and then they're trying to find another gap or they're trying to go back inside and then that's when you got guys coming from the opposite sides so for me it was important and taking pride of setting the edge we always say was I wanted to be dominant and I wanted them to know and see me flash that way. They think that that gap is not available. I love that <hes> willy if you're looking at this current group of guys and we use the phrase teaching tape all the time if you're gonNA take cut up and take them to some high schoolers and say okay. This is the guy that you wanNA emulate and you WANNA study is there is their name that comes comes to mind amongst all these great pass rushers. We have right now. Well there's gotTa Allen You got Gary. You got you got a bunch of good guys. I think even Ferguson's there's a bunch of guys that are in this draft that are really explosive talented. <hes> edge rushers and could be great. Ed Ed stoppers run stoppers but the common denominator like I said D._J.. That always find always see is they don't use their hands they go into the blocks with their elbows or their shoulders and they get locked up for Ross. Teach these young guys always teach him like a boxer. You keep your hands up always keep your hands here ready to attack because lyman liked to load they liked to load their hands. They take those big steps and then they bring all that power and they get into you and they grab you so if your hands are here and you see the play coming in you shoot. It doesn't matter how strong alignment is doesn't really matter you already have the leverage already. Have your hands inside. You attack the test plate. Now you have the leverage now you you have control so you dictate where you go versus. Now you're fighting trying to get his hands off you and when the boggles outside or whatever you can't get off the black it's over. It's only a matter of seconds before the guy sees it and gets outside and move like plays happened happened so much faster in highschool than college college than the pros that you don't have that much time so the lost art with all this in my opinion with these young players is their hands. There's not enough coaches teaching these players to use used their hands shoot their hands. Use Your hands as a weapon and it helps you so much because it gives you the advantage in Iran game and in a passing game you know in thinking about two of the premier Russia's in the League von Miller and you have Khalil Mack Two guys that have been very productive but have different styles von Miller. You talked about his speed his get off talk about Khalil Mack in how common is it for a power Russia to be able to accumulate two sacks and the numbers and he's been able to do yeah I minutes incredible with him. He got his hands are like stones. You know here's a powerful guy but he is fast to he's explosive. He just more powerful so he uses a little bit different. When you watch him rush he's GonNa hit you with the power but he's also agile and versatile enough to get off and make moves off of that so his initial shock is he's coming off speed power explosiveness? He gets into you he gives you that initial shock and you see those was lyman trying to trying to catch themselves and then he's off making a play. He's getting rid of them. He shedding and this is a guy who played linebacker. You know if I remember at Buffalo so he made all pro at linebacker and at defensive and so it just shows you the level of athleticism and the athlete that he is what he's able to do but that's rare you don't find a lot of guys that that that's so explosive that so athletic that that is so powerful and when you look at his leverage leverage that he plays with his bend and the power that he generates through his been as he's taking his first two or three steps is pretty remarkable Willie last question for me and and just kind of as you follow the game as closely as you do and you see the evolution of the Arpaio's you see a lot of this college game kind of seeping into the N._F._l.. Or the balls getting out it's going to the perimeter. What should we look at what should change changed from an evaluation standpoint? We're looking at guys coming off the edge with how the game is changing and what it's GonNa look like maybe five ten years from now. I think the big word is hybrid right. We always talk about these hybrid players player that are able to do a lot. <hes> you could be in edge rusher one play and this is good for defensive coordinator and people that are scheming as well when when I value not look players I'll talk about a couple of different things we all look at pass rushers in the first thing we say a sacks right we look at all these guys that get dragged through on the edge all he had all these sex but what about the run game two teams that are winning the super bowls they run the football as well. They do a good job at it. So I WANNA player that on third down like me and Mike variable days we could put our hands in the dirt and we turned into a natural defensive end because his pass rush rush and we're coming off the ball and we can play the run if a team tries to run a draw or something off the board then on first and second down or eleven personnel whatever when they bring in maybe a speedier receiver and you have to drop in coverage or you know the backs and title you're able to cover those guys in space. How do these guys move in space? Stand him up work drills. Get them in space and see how it works. They tried that with today. viane cloudy didn't really work as well. They're talking about doing that with Gary. I'm not sure that's going to be a good thing for him as well no he's athletic and I know he runs well but it's different when you're covering and you're covering ground. You're covering zones. It's different movement. You gotta be able to flip your hips. You gotta read a quarterback. It's quick the ball comes out quick. These receivers are fast learning how to jam where to be and then also played a run from in-space so I'm looking for guys that are able to do a lot of different things if I need them on first and second down if we're playing certain coverage where we gotta Banjo back which means the linebackers got a man we got the tight ends and backs he he's able to do that. He runs a really well. If I the second down I need them to hunker in six technique over the tight end or five technique over to tackle and be stout enough and played a run in the edge he can do that. Can you rush off a first second down of course but I'm looking for a guy was first versatile enough to do all those different things and it's hard to convert parcells did it with me because he started early. I guess I was athletic enough to do it but he told me right. When I came in you're going to do everything you're not going to be a pass rusher? You're gonNA cover and you gotta learn it that I want to hear excuses than I was the end of it like I I was like all right but it was one of the hardest artist things I've ever had to do but that may more valuable to my team because I didn't have to come off the field ever when we went to go line became that outside linebacker on edge you know when it was eleven personnel or whatever and I need to walk out on number two I was good and coverage <hes> when we had to rush it was third down. All I did was put my hand in the dirt and I was coming off the edge first and second down runner Pasaden- really matter I could play every play and I think right now. Certain earn players are in in a certain we only use them one there one dimensional. There's not a lot of great outside linebacker slash deans or the Word Elephant Type Players Dad can do it all and I think and that starts at the lower levels. We don't ask them to do those things we put them in one position and we tell them to go but if we start training them early enough dale start using their feet they'll stand up. They'll be more comfortable in space. They'll understand Dan that the more they can do the more viable they will become to their teams c conversation that you just had about guys being complete player standing up and doing all those things I'm really surprised you would never my teammate and I'm surprised you would never my teammate and in college because the greatest player that has ever done it was Lawrence Taylor Lawrence Taylor being a d. n. outside linebacker so I want to take you all the way back to nineteen ninety-three and I think we came to Anaheim and we played Carolina Play U._S._C. Class and and I just wonder we go if it anytime during that game when we're kinda running up and down to feel did you ever regret and I want to be a tarheel. Did you ever regret not wanting someone that that came in and stood into Saddles of Lawrence Taylor and learn how to play the game in a dominant dominant fashion. I love Lawrence Taylor. He wanted to guys that I'll watch he was he was he was one of the linebackers. I'll watch Derek Times like I said I'll watch Lawrence Taylor Andre tip it. Those are my guys that I watched and the one thing that I remember playing you guys. The Tar heels down in Anaheim was I didn't get a lot of action to my you know what I'm saying D._J.. You guys ran out our Saito. You might say Mine Willie what the Heck listen what I'm saying. They ran the ball more than they pass. Though we ready to interrogate they ran. Any real through seven pass yet. They ran the entire Game D._J.. I call one big one was smart they scheme will they did not run at number. Fifty five they ran out are saying I'm not going to say no name talk a little bit pretty well. You might even knock what Jayme my we. We Really Frustrating Daddy. Get No accident. I would love to go back and watch C.. Did a great job. We find that tape so you to watch it Suai. I may have been perusing the nets out that you I'm GONNA DO Willie Dec- No September twenty first North Carolina hosts APP state this year so joe that's right. That's good strong back. He's not feeling good feeling good. Hey Willy thank you so much of your time in it for those listening look. This guy has a red jacket for being in the Patriots Hall of fame. It's time he got a goal jacket and went into the hall of Fame Akano. How there's nobody that dominated big games on the big stage from that position like Willie mcginest did sixteenth sacks and the postseason this guy gold jacket already? What's taking so long appreciate IT D._J.? You hit the nail on the head. When you talk about Willie mcginest being one of the best ever do it especially in big moments the inside that he brings rings position because there's more than just physical position in terms of just being able to run around the corner and get to the quarterback understanding how you set up your hand placement how to set up your moves and sequence your moves better yet the energy that you have to expand expense? I think the big thing for me is talking about von Miller get off and how it reminded him of my former teammate Derrick Thomas in the way that he was able to take over games. I believe when you have those kind of guys they come to jump out. They pop off the tape right away and yeah no doubt it by the way you can't just gloss over the U._S.. North Carolina Trash let me just one of those things like you know when you win it was it was one of those things you know like everybody always talks about the traditional programs and I know S._e.'s. He's a program that is at great players but I just wanted to big moments in career to come out to California and to put the be down that we put on S._e.. Kinda gotTa won the series on the Sunday from college career going look if I had it done the same thing I probably would've said but again. I would've done it for safe distance from those conversations. anyways Willy Willy is awesome <hes> coming up. We've got cut more interviews coming your way demarcus ware if you've ever wondered what went into his mind on the fake spent sang that famous fakes. He's getting explain that in just a little bit. You'RE GONNA WANNA stick around for that but I up a gym Nagy. Somebody we've known forever in the scouting world one a bunch of super bowls in New England with Willie mcginest spent time in Kansas City spent time in Seattle help build that Seattle roster into one of the best. We've seen in the last couple of decades buck. He's he's got a great I for talent and <hes> somebody we've both known for a long time have a lot of respect for wanted to get his thoughts on the edge for position so here's our conversation with Jim Nagy Jim we had a chance to talk to you know quite well Willie mcginest talking about the edge position and when I I talked to Willie the first thing I think of an even talk to him about it. All the time is willy how it's not easy to find guys like you just talking about Willie mcginest as an edge rusher how unique is with his combination of sties power speed and everything he brought to the table yeah. That's a great point Daniel. I think it goes back to <hes> my time in New England. Coach spellcheck always say certain guys don't grow on trees so we we we really were not. They're looking for the next week again because they don't. They don't happen very often but no I think what Willie brought to the table was. The biggest things always combination of lengthened power usually long is sometimes struggle playing with a ton of power usually power players are more compact but Willie was such a specimen and e could use that link us that power any also had the speed factor too so again that's why he was such high pick in such a productive N._F._l.. Player I think he and his grew with most playoffs act something like that but you know great rusher but Willie was truly unique giving you walk out on you know it. Is You go to college. Football outfielder forgot pops out to you always N._F._l.. Prospect rarely do you go out N._F._l.. Practice field and a Guy Kinda sticks out. We'll even stuck out an N._F._l.. Practice field that's when you know you got a great one. No doubt you mentioned the combination of speed or power power. Is it possible in your mind to be successful edge defender Edge rusher in the national football league if you don't have either speed or power I don't think so. I don't think so I think you you can win with your speed. You can win it power then you can when you're savvy and your know-how and your hand using technician but I think you have to have one element of the speed or the power and it's the guys that can translate that speed power as you know that's when you really start separating yourself and and <hes> you know finding got direct to me. The biggest thing is find guys that know how to rush you know and they can incorporate. All those things know how to use all their tools. When you look at at some of the guys you had New England she had some prototype players and sizes a big part of it but you look around the league in your time in the scouting world and you see guys like an Elvis boomer Ville have success even somebody you know Lamar Woodley was not 6-foot-5 when you see guys at maybe lack that elite size but have success and in a couple of cases not even talking about just blurs? We're not talking about somewhere. That's just a appear speed rusher. Maybe somebody like a Beasley but what is it about the guys that don't have those ideal traits in terms of size able to be successful. I think the two guys that you talked about Elvis and Woodley unique thing about both those guys were the body types they were correct me if I'm wrong but do Duma Ville might have been right at six foot or or even five and change and I remember Lamar was right about six one but they bought that disproportionately long arm so they did have the length back there working form which was huge judge. I think one player that I've been with most recently was Frank Clark in Seattle and just the explosion explosiveness and the violence that he Russia's with and that's kind of what makes frank special is that you know he's so explosive on contact and he's he's such a violent violent rusher and I know you are around a guy probably in Baltimore Michael McCreary. He was Kinda different the sense that I felt like Michael One with his relentlessness in his motor he he got a lot of those motorcycles X. Cleanup sex so it can come in all all shapes and sizes but yeah to me you can't just pinpoint a body type but one thing they usually have to have his arm line. You talk about the length as well as some of the snap in that shock in your hands as well as being able to roll your hips when you're watching the body coming off the edge and you're scouting and you're getting ready to take your notes there Jim. The first thing you look for was the snap begins as what well personally it would be snap anticipation. You know some guys can can really get off the rock. They just have a knack for it <hes> and other guys even though there are very explosive you look at their ten ten ten yard desktops coming out of the combine and you don't see it equate to sack production a lot of times when you go back after seeing a great ten yard time. It's the reaction time off. The ball is slow so that's really the first thing I look at is ten anticipate the snap count and get off and then what how much ground do they cover with that. I stepped up. I stepped explosion is key. No doubt I always like freezing the frame. Maybe maybe the first ten or so pass rush opportunities when you're watching a guy and just say on that Group of Defensive Lineman Izzy the first one with his hand up in the first one getting off the ball. It's usually a pretty good indication even just over a ten snap sample absolutely no see use them. S Lomo button is huge for these rushers that like you said like that first quarter first quarter and a half just to get a WHO's getting off. How about the ability to finish Jim the importance there and what you look for yeah? That's a key thing to some guys king. uh-huh some guys are more disruptive and productive that if that makes sense that can get around the quarterback but really getting them on the ground is is the next step and I always go back to scouting Chris long when he was coming out of Virginia. I think his junior year you put on Christmas tape but he was always around on the quarterback disrupt ineffective throws but then that senior year he comes back and a lot of people wondered why he came back and then that senior year came back and he really really learned how to finish and get the quarterback on the ground so that's it's key he for those guys in the N._F._l.. That's that's all they make their money. You can't just affect throws you gotta get him on the ground so now finishing definitely. I think it's something you can learn. I think that <hes> you know being coached up and being around other great rushers they can kinda teach tricks to the trade but I think one thing that you see all great guys that can finish. They're not always going to get there and get clean shot always look for grip strength in Russia too because they can get around a quarterback and grab some cloth in full that guy down that that's a key component to finish one of underrated <hes> aspects of the position my opinion and really just start paying attention. It's the last couple years talk about finishing a vision to me. When you've got athletic quarterbacks we have in the game right now? We're going to be able to climb a move around inside the pocket a lot of times <hes> you're you're aiming point changes in the middle of a play envision to me being able to see and find the quarterback has become very underrated. Yeah absolutely I think having awareness awareness rusher is huge and when you see a guy that has some awareness off the edge and knows where the quarterbacks going then you start thinking well. What can we do if we moved him inside you know because if you gotTa have awareness in there too it's like you know look at some of these great rushers that that inside guys that can get their hands up and bad a bunch of balls down? That's critical thing knowing where a quarterback is being able to get your hands up so a lot of people wouldn't think that vision as keeper Russia but it is if you see these tunnel vision guys just get locked on the blocker in front of them really hard last question on these edge rushers is how important is that <hes> was scheme fit or has that changed at all from from when you started in the League look we had kind of true four three teams true three four teams. Obviously there's been a lot of changes over the years but is there still important you place on fit and scheme scheme. I think there is overall big picture in your defense but I didn't give you can find a guy that can they can get to the quarterback. You gotta find a place for him. I there's so few guys that can really do it at a high level that if if you find a guy that's maybe outside of your scheme and your prototype you gotTa rely on your defensive coordinator figure out a way to to get on the field and use them because again as scouts you and I we go out on the road looking for those guys all year and you might you might see one guy that can rush the quarterback the entire fall so you know I think coordinators are being more. There's more creative without designed fronts nowadays so I think you can get different body types you know in different positions on the field regardless of where you are a summarize you can rush the passer. We'll make room. We'll we'll find us this dude. I can't thank you for your time and it's awesome stuff. <hes> really appreciate you bud hi buck will look a chance to hear that chat there with Nagy and talking about edge rusher is a lot of times. It's a prototype series. We're talking about wanting guys with prototype size but necessarily have to be the tallest guidance and world. We've seen guys they can get it done without that height but the length that does matter matters because when you're an edge Russia dealing with these long athlete of office TACOS and they're able to put their hands in your jazz and if you don't have the linked to come to knock their hands away it makes it really really tough there just roger around the perimeter so if you're an undersized got you do have to great arm live and you have to have what I call special trade. It has to be something else that you bring bring to the table catlike quickness and explosive spin move something that makes you super slippery you have to be able to make up for your height deficiency with some athleticism something that allows you to kind of dominate some kind of superiority when it comes to the athleticism I love the conversation about Chris Long. Will you talked about earlier disruption versus production. He saw somebody as a young player that was disruptive and then by the time end of his college. Turn it into production and that's something you WanNa see when you're watching these guys as they continue to grow and get a chance to evaluate them all right buck chance to talk with demarcus ware and if you've watched the N._F._l.. Over the last fifteen plus years you know who demarcus whereas and you know he emerged as really a prototype if not the prototype at the position edition talk about the arm length bill when was speed with power a technician and somebody who's been very involved in mentoring this next wave of pass rushers <hes> promise you're gonNA enjoy this chat with the Marcus where this in the game rothlisberger in shotgun they need to reach their own forty eight to continue Denver Russia's spot again rothlisberger deduct that he pulls away three boost folk art excited joined by demarcus where and when I say a prolific pass rusher one hundred thirty eight and a half sack's I think qualifies you as a prolific pass rusher demarcus first of all thank you so much. Sh for the time today. Do you ever get sick of hearing that number. How focuses career well? I WANNA start kind of kind of back at the beginning. We're going to dig into the pass rushers. What makes great great pass rusher but I'm just curious in your individual story? I remember scout new at Troy. Remember having those discussions in the Ravens Raffarin with Ozzie newsome Ozzy couldn't get over the fact that how the heck that Alabama miss on this kid so how did you walk through so the journey. How did you end up at Troy? How did that happen? SEAVER open the door and there is those earning according to by myself this guy as great pass rusher haven't been around other great pass rushers. Is there something personality wise that you guys all share the guy that being able to verse now myrow all team lawyers all all great teams in the miserable they were forty or is they actually to shoot and they're usually and you mentioned there about speed to power and we reference it all the time in in the scouting process but can you walk us through being able to set that up. You know I think of it sometimes almost like a pitcher going on the mound. You kind of have a game plan for a batter. Did you have a game plan for the guys you were going up against about whether you're gonNA work speed off power power off speed did that change game to game Xavier briskly shower and our bucur all together versus all that over the you burn into power. Who's who were the first essential thing I see the now tiger I want to get to in the scouting process and we get to the spring we get to pro days? What would you say are some good drills or good tools? We can use on the scouting side had to be able to evaluate whether or not a guy can bend. We see a lot of times guys run the loops around the hoops and we want to keep an eye on C.. Can You keep all your cleats in the ground as you're coming around the hoop there but is there. Are there some drills you prefer where you feel like you can get a good evaluation relation to these guys how fast the linear and our is usually all immediately. You're using steam changing directions Israel our who see as it can change the region also be resilient. They got a change direction in our Bloomberg remains changing the bakery when they have on on would actually take it on or around the sipping instinct and all those it all. I WanNa get to one specific play and your career and I'm sure it won't take longer figure out which one I'm talking about but I think there's a opponent component of pass rushers. It gets lost creativity and for you to bust out the fake spin move walk us through how you came up with that. was that something that just happened on the field that you prepare that because that's one of the craziest things I've ever seen it all I actually I spun spoiled with only Jo say he I along. These lines like we'll rehearsing row. I like around to engvall intern so young Russian say the in our that's one of my all time favorite sex in the history of the N._F._l.. Show on the combination of the creativity the athleticism last question for me are there evolving pass rush moves still to come here. Is there more out there or is everything you can do pretty much already known i. I'm just curious to know is their way this thing it's taken to the next level always evolving on you can see somewhere how do your time they all but I had things in my are so does your the first person versus how and how missile or sitting on sometimes wish they'd wind so these are really aren there are different type of George will man this is awesome. I got a bunch of notes here <hes> that I took down and learned something there on the art form of the past Russian art form that you perfected over your career Damarcus. We can't take enough for joining us. Stay really appreciate it. I love getting a chance to to visit with the Marcus. I'm still trying to figure out how how this dude was one hundred eighty five pound wide receiver in high school how that happened. I mean that's unbelievable but it kind of we always talk about into run to the draft like so much made of size guys big enough is eastern off is going to be able to hold his own against a room but as we've seen this leaky bowl still about getting to the past no question so he emerged from one hundred eighty five found wide receiver to be in one of the best passions in the game gives some of these undersized light guys a little hope that they also can kind of car about a nice niche just for themselves and the National Football League and how great is it to hear him discussed the Joe Staley sack. I mean it's really one of the more memorable sacks won. A sack goes viral okay. What did he did? He dumped somebody on the ground like this was a combination of creativity and athleticism autism. I don't know you'll see again. No I don't know if you ever see anybody kind of put together that come to move or be able to get an elite player like justice daily player where it doesn't look manufactured or predetermine the way that it looked so instinctive and how really was when he set up to the spin he really had to get into to come around and really sell him that he was going to side but it takes a athletes someone that has to have outstanding balanced control and overall athleticism also thought one more point was the talk about hands. We say okay get off effort those things we wanna see right away hands you can improve and training and mixed martial arts a lot of these pass rushers have seen that really help them in that hand to hand absolutely if you can be a dominant pass rush. You need to go see Mr he needed to be able to you want to wax off to be able to come off. You know maybe you might have to go to Cobra Kai. I know this coaching to D.. Line I'M GONNA put him on the fence and I'm GonNa make them pay and I'm GONNA go up and down and I'm GonNa make them do all those things they found annoyed by the way to be able to to work at a diner in happy days and transition one of the more versatile actors that we've seen hats off pat more Berina. I got that right behind the glass go with that. We'll go with misery agreed actor. All right are are prototypes at the position buck when we're looking at edge rushers in this league. I know we've got the best pass rusher in a league right. Now is actually inside guy in Aaron Donald but you're looking out there on the edge. Is there somebody that comes to mind. I it comes down to two one or two guys and I think is he. The von Miller or Khalil Mack any kind of depends on packaging. Your flavor is look. I want to explosive edge rusher that has outstanding get off. Outstanding athleticism has all of what I would call it. The finesse moves that you wanNA see von Miller. Is You got if you WANNA powerbase Russia a guy that can really set it up with the ball rush and in us all of the power centric elements to get to the quarterback I think is Khalil Mack and so either way it just depends on what you're flavor is. Both of those guys are the prototypes of the position it. We've got some other great ones. I mean we've seen Frank Clark demarcus Lawrence Joey Bosa. Those are great players but I want to do an exercise with you every time. I think we're GONNA agree on something we don't but I think I think I feel confident here. Okay so I like to do that. Imagery okay okay so our our teams in the Super Bowl. We've we're we're on offense trying to score a touchdown to win the game. It's third and eight. We gotta get a first down to keep our championship hopes alive. The one passers don't say yeah. We'll say it on three the one pass rusher that would scare you more than anybody else is Subaru. Oh industry innocent world this one pass rusher. We don't want to see him and the only willing say one guy so on counter. Three will say who it is. I think we're going to say the same guy ready to three to one von. Miller agreed taste like we've seen that specific wanted to make sure that you said he puts more to me. He puts more fear from an offensive standpoint. I'd be more scared of on older than you think so I think the reason why is because of the speed and quickness is such a everything else it does because then what happens then you get an officer tackle who was over extending trying to get cycle and he has all of those things are will say because we we have seen Khalil Mack Win Defensive Player of the Year award great player the ability to come off the edge and use the speed equations but really he's gave us about power is game is about bullying you to the point of submission and so dominant player but in that that's an Oreo. I'M GONNA go with von Miller over yeah. I'm with you but look you can't go wrong with lows or the guys we mentioned I just think in terms of the fear factor I go on on that one as well all right <hes> wrapping up here book. We've got episodes out there though if you haven't checked him out on quarterbacks <hes> running backs receivers tied in its offensive line. We've got one more episode to come. That's going to be on quarterbacks. <hes> which we've got some great guests at conversation with Sean Springs tune into that one to hear what he had to say he was fantastic any other other final takeaways before we get out here I think this outstanding series any aspiring scout or even a guy who is scouting in the business now like I found it so much from participating in this exercise in enlisting back to these pockets episodes. I think you have to dig again to make sure you listen to all the prototypes we've covered it all quarterback running back receiver tied in office line and then we got the edge rusher in the cornerback position to cone. Check it out. I think it's only GonNa make you a bit evaluate. You said check it out N._F._l.. Dot Com Slash M._T._S. prototype. If you've missed any of the episodes you can finding all their one stop shop and do a favourite pasos along a tweet. Those outlets your buddies. No I think they'll get a kick out of it as well by the way your real I mean we can you get your own U._R._l.. On there for a series that's kind of a big deal. He's got a big deal dot com slash G._S. prototype pretty cool. That's going to do it for us. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Thanks for listening to move the sticks presented by new era. Thanks for downloading move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and bookie brooks.

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Talkin' The Draft: Previewing the 2020 Reese's Senior Bowl

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Talkin' The Draft: Previewing the 2020 Reese's Senior Bowl

"Welcome back everybody to the draft guests. This is not talking to star but it is two of the three people from talking to star. I don't Miller your host who's joined by my co host. Connor live say conor. Are you working in all this week. Because we're recording in the middle of the day. I feel like you should have the job. It's four thirty four thirty. I got home early today. Sorry me. If you say you're going out of town to eat dinner with the the soon to be in laws so got a little time for relief. What are you having for dinner tonight? I really don't know my fiance's home in our hopping on the car. So that's good solorio normally do no. No it's fine by me. I am. You know unemployed or employed by myself. You know at this point so I can kinda work whenever I want to so my schedule is whatever I wanted to be in. It's pretty much perfect except for the fact that I'm broke but you know who is in broke okay is just in Jefferson. Jim Nagy Jim. Nagy is not broke. Jim Nagy his pockets are full of NFL draft the prospects that he was able to attain four the senior bowl the senior bowl and connor. I am so excited to get down to Mobile Alabama walk into the way in and steal as many reese's peanut butter cups auto seats as I can from. NFL SCOUTS CA. Screw those guys to be quite honest. Today we're going to go through and talk about just position down quarterbacks match running backs all the way down to safeties and kind of break it up. We'll talk about offense for the first half and then we'll talk about defensive in the second half I'm so non. Cowboys fans can really pay attention to the first half of this. podcast on the cowboys fans can pay attention to the back. Half of this podcast where we talk about defense which is really at this point. Connor right like it's really all the cowboys really need is defend correct. I think there are some guys that I like. It's a mid round tight. End Prospects going to be there in mobile at me. Can maybe Cheryl but I'm talking about those was guys at the top. The first came in particular. Moore's Yes yes I agree I agree but yeah I mean again. You're you hit it right on the head. Had you know I feel like the cowboys fans are going to tune out the quarterback. They're running back I think there's some receivers we can talk about the kind of fit in with them. So tight ends baby. Some late round on offense lineman but the defensive side of this is going to be with the cowboys. Fans are GONNA perk theories up for because there's a lot of top talent on the defensive side of the ball in and mobile this year in the tour you know. Spend a lot of time talking about. Yes but I don't want them to ignore quarterback holy because because I do believe that the cowboys this year specifically need to address that backup quarterback position because and especially now that the new regime has taken over. I'm going to have a lot less faith in Mike McCarthy in that coaching staff if we have the same backup situation we have had for the past couple of years. Because that's not gonna they do it so you need to look at these quarterbacks in the senior bowl is a great place to get a nice look at these guys and to interview them. You know informally And will's going to be there. Jerry's going to be there Stevens going to be there. These guys are going to be in mobile for this. We're going to see him sitting in the stands Talking about how tenderly is gonNA throw another interception right before he indeed throws another interception Except tenderly won't be there this year. That'll be shape Patterson Or Stephen Montanez I mean. Pick your poison here The the quarterbacks that have committed so far are Jordan. I Love Justin. Herbert jalen hurts shape. Patterson in Stephen Montanez I'll and Anthony Gordon Lonzo yes I started David Jordan. Lavin so who do you want to start off with here because I think there are a couple of names that we can look at some of the day three type guys who we can look got being mockups in two thousand twenty. Yeah and you know. I think that there is a really good chance just in Herbert and Jordan love go in the first round so I think you kind of those guys who were you might be a little higher on Jordan love than I am and I think maybe I might be a little higher on just in Herbert. You are. I'm not sure we'll maybe we can get into that a little bit but You know I think that those are two guys that if you're a cowboys fan you're kind of taking yourself out of that running in less you use the first round pick or somehow when those guys fall back and you trade. Whatever but? I think you're kind of mentioning. You know the guys like Shape Patterson who I don't think either one of us like but they also did sign Clayton Thorson Persson this year. So that kind of tells you what they thought about the quarterback. So you've got your shape Patterson's or Stephen Montes's I don't know Jalen alerts is going to go. I think he'd be a really nice developmental quarterback to have behind act because of the intangibles because of the way that he plays the game. I don't love his accuracy his arm but I think you can compare him to Dak in similar ways except I think tax much better thrower I think jalen hurts as much better runner but I think the style of play they have is. I don't WanNa say similar but they they they're similar players without having similar skill sets. I'll say it like that so I think that you can go up and down and kind of look at the Patterson's the Montas the hurts Gordon's and then for the teams picking in the beginning to back into the first round. You know we should talk about the Justin Herbert's Jordan. Loves a little bit because you know and they're still hope that the number one picks gonNA show up in mobile next week. Joe Borough did get an invite. There's a I've heard Jim say that you know He. He wouldn't be you know he kind of expects him to show up now. I don't know if that changes now that he just frigging lit. The world on fire in the national don't championship and pretty much has nothing to gain from the greatest college season from a quarterback. Ever but man I would just be fun to have borough. Herbert love. Love hurts some of those top guys there for the senior bowl. Yeah I mean it would be a really good group at when it comes down to Jordan love. I had to see and I think that a lot of people are are going to realize how special his arm talent is when they see it in person especially off base. Like because it's it's it's not something that you are I used to seeing. It's not even you know really the only person that I've seen and I haven't seen Pat Mahomes throw in person but I've seen more than enough of him on film to to know that he has a special type of arm especially when it comes to throwing all platform and it's very much like playing shortstop where he can just throw from from from any arm slot he wants to and it's going to get to where it's going it's going to get there with pace and that's kind of what Jordan loves arms like now. Herbert has as much charm as Jordan lavdas but their arms are different. It's not that natural. Just however he wants to get it out there. It's going to get out there with pays Justin. Herbert has to have that solid base to be able to really force not throw in their enduring. Love it's just natural. It just happens. I'm so not. It's an interesting thing in now why he is going to go so high in this draft despite throw him. You know fifteen plus interceptions this year. I it's he's GonNa mean interesting case And it's a little bit like Josh Allen a couple of years ago but he is much more much more. Gifted has much more natural arm. Talent in the fact where he. He's just a lot more accurate. Josh Allen was the issue is Glenn the the things that he does post nap or just not good he does all he has a really big issue when it comes to reading leverage of corners on the outside outside. But we can't get too far into this because we have so many other other names to get to jalen hurts would be a great guy like you said the backup Dak Prescott. But I don't think he's GonNa follow the fourth if he did on. We'll take him every single time and I think he's probably he's probably got the most to gain from this this week next week I should say and the thing with Jalen hurts is you can use him. You're one as a tastes. Hey some hill type you can use him on the field at the same time as Dak Prescott. I mean this. Isn't somebody who you just have to sit on the bench and develop. He can develop on the flight right. Giving you know reps here and there on the field and that adds another layer to your offense so and Jalen hurts is not a small dude you you WanNa make him a personal protector on punt team as well and then you always have that option. I mean look at Fox. Look what fossil likes to do on special. Don't teams you don't think fossil would love to have an actual quarterback be able to be the personal protector for fake punts. Are you kidding me. And not just a quarterback that was one that can run and one that can run like Jalen hurts. So he's not he's not he's not more Jackson and he's not even close to the athlete with more tax is he's not nearly as shifty as he is but he is a good runner. Stephen Montanez Shape Patterson late late day. Three guys Steven Montas has a Canon of an arm doesn't know what he's doing with it And then Anthony Gordon's interesting one. He has a little bit of of Joe Borough to him where he just kind of doesn't care he's slinging it and I love that attitude but he does make some important decisions But he was perfect. Was who quarterback if that makes any sense other than that I mean moving onto running back I actually. I think this is a really good group. I we don't need to go through all these guys. Because he's we're not gonNA look at running for the Dallas cowboys mostly keyshawn name. That was big going into the year and has kind of backed away a little bit. You don't hear much about him anymore. So it'll be interesting to see how he performs especially really as a pass catcher because honestly like the senior bowl and that's what this is about it's about past protections amount pass catching 'cause it's not full contact so you don't really get to see what these guys are like downtown basis as runners Where that is where Antonio Golsen is going to full moorish because he six two he is two hundred and twenty plus pounds? He is by far. You're the best receiver out of any of these running backs. And Michael P Ryan can run routes. He's a good dude but Antonio Tony Gibson special man he really is Tony Pollard. In a different body. And that's really how I think honestly as a runner. I think that he is better now as a prospect man Tony Pollard was because I thought Tony Pollen solved now awesome as a pro. We've seen Tony Pollard. Doesn't give a crap. He will lower his shoulder and drive. Guys he's been a much more fiscal player. And if we're looking at and I wrote this when I wrote about Antonio Gibson if it's as prospects I have him above Tony Pollard. If I'm taking into account Tony pollens rookie year. Minimum going to take Tony Pollen because he exceeded my expectations but well as prospects than is how Tony Gibson is. Are there any. Is that that you really like from this running that group. I like you know Benjamin. A Lot He's got again. I don't get into running backs early. I get onto those guys later. So I haven't watched many of these guys unless they pop up while I'm watching another prospects alike like keyshawn Vaughn POPs up when I'm watching Jerry Pinky for the Pinkney from Vanderbilt the Titan and then Benjamin pops up when I'm watching Brandon IOC back. How do you pronounce his last name? Do you know I don't know if it's okay. So let's say I you but we'll just say it both ways. One back so watching brandon. Ioc I ach Benjamin pops up and then obviously I. I started diving in Antonio Gibson because I saw Jim Nagy Talking about the other day I saw you put in some tweets up as well so I watched a couple of days. Cut Up Games of him and he's like you said he's Tony Pollard. You know he doesn't. He didn't have a lot of production. He did have a lot of opportunities. I should say Memphis He played slot. He played running back. He was a kick returner so his Evaluation as a projection. which is exactly what Tony Pollard was but man you like a lot of what you see with them as explosiveness burst and things like that? Yeah and just kind of going back to Benjamin here real quick. He's one I like as well and I feel like Jim Nagging. The crew did a really good job of getting a bunch of guys that do everything well and and I think that when as we go along in the evolution of the running back position we're seeing more and more or guys who come into college and catch thirty forty fifty passes in a season in college football as as pass catchers out of the backfield. I mean guys that you know or forced to not only do that but stay in and pass protect as also. You're seeing all of that. My issue with with Antonio Gibson is he never was once asked past protect in any of the film that I saw. Now he was quite a bit a lead blocker in the run game. And he's got the physicality to do it and he's got good run blocking technique. So I'm interested to see how he holds up in one be ones when when it comes to pass blocking. And then you know dairies. Anderson is a guy that I haven't really gone my eye on yet. Josh Kelly is is the same. I've I seen the other guys and honestly I'm really like Michael Barone too. I think he's a really good player. Who is GonNa get taken on day? Three and make a team really really happy. Yeah no I agree no like I said I think that this running back classes or interesting in mobile you know I don't I don't see I don't think I will have any of these guys in my top fifty Benjamin might be a guy that could crack it. But I don't know I I guess on lower this running back class awesome a lot of people. Because I don't think I'm going to get I haven't done for more evaluations on the Andrea Swift. Jk Dobbins Johnson Taylor. But I don't currently don't have any any of those guys as a first round graded prospect. So that's kind of where I'm out with the running back class. I think Taylor would be but he just test so many carries on a man that I never getting a little off topic but I feel a little bit lower this running back class in a lot of people so and with Taylor on top of the the amount amount of Carey's he fumbles the ball. Almost you know once every forty touches so his he's his morning is in in an actual issue. But we're going to move on from that and talk a little bit about this tight end class that we have here in mobile. Have you gotten any of these guys because honestly the only guy that I've been able to get in well two guys I've been able to get into our Harrison Bryant and Bryson Hopkins Perdue. I like Oh actually no an jared picnic through so those are the three I've watched and I like all three of those guys you know the Titan class was kind of I guess talked about as a weaker bunch coach coming in and then when I started watching and I was like men like you don't have any top in it's not. You're you're no fan. TJ Hopkinson your earth. Smith class asked me. I'm like I was like I like a lot of these guys that are going to go on day two. You're probably you'll have some guys go early date to. I'm sure the late day two guys I think are very intriguing pink means a guy who's a bigger kind of your traditional tied in can do some blocking do some receiving up. The seem has a really big frame rain. He he looks massive playing the position. So I like that because I think that four his size he played the position a little bit more athletic than I expected him to You it kind of has a bigger catch radius than I expected him to. Even though we is big you see law. Those bigger slower guys really struggled to extend and make catches away from their frame but he really didn't struggle with that. And then you've got your your Brian Hopkins and Harrison. Brian to remove athletic tight ends doing a little bit more in those those styles. Thanks not UH necessarily. You're typical Jason. witten guys who were going to do. You're blocking maybe. Brian Hopkins more than Harrison Bryant. But here's here's a Bryant of a fun guy to get in as a receiving tight end to kind of work the seams and make some plays down the field but I'm excited about those three and mobile because I am big fans all all three of those guys you know not not super vans docking to have first round grades by any means Might not even have early second grades. But I think they're gonNA they're gonNA be guys. We're going to go. No one day to and be productive for whatever team drafts them. And I've heard some really really good things about Adam Trautmann to Dayton sure. Haven't seen any of him yet. There are a couple of guys that I still need to catch up on Before we go down there to mobile but I do. Have you know a good. I'm kind of with you with this tight. End Class man like honestly like if if moss ends up declaring. I think that this classes you know got a little bit of of of juice. But you know when if Bryce Hopkins and Harry Bryant like for me Harrison Ryan is a wide receiver. I don't consider him a tight end whatsoever. I I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ask him to put his hand in dirt China Block somebody he he looks like he's two hundred hundred and thirty pounds to me so he's not a very big dude. He moves really well so you can use him as a as a slot mismatching you know a little bit like A. Jj Our cycle whiteside head type. And that's kind of how I see him and then with a guy like Jerry Pinkney like you said. He's he's bigger. You know decently strong. He's not as strong as I'm like like for him to be at the point of attack blocking four his size but like you said it moves a little bit better than you and thank you not. He's not a good actually. He not not a good badly but he's good enough for the position he plays and his friend and he and he's not a good athlete. At least it looks like he's not a good athlete. He's the guys that will go out and run a four or five and make stupid. But he's one of those guys like he's a tank like when he runs like just looks like you'd be scared to get in front of them. What I see catchers away from his free? I see him do athletic things but he still doesn't look athletic doing it. If that makes sense catches he makes on tape. You're like damn. I didn't really expect him to be able to have that much body control or something like that and I agree you know when you watch him. He's kind of a rumble tumble kind of guy. That's Chuck chugging down the field. But I don't know there's something about him. I hate to use the word sneaky APP leading but when I watch them on tape you kind of questions I think sometimes you like man I feel like is vertical. Might be a little better than I think it is but again he's a big big guy. Who who like you said you wish you played stronger than he? He looks so to me instead of calling him a strong player. I just call them a big guy because he's he's a guy that I wish. He played stronger. Like you said but at the same time he does a little bit more than receiver than I thank a guy that his size and his stature would do. Yeah so we might as well just move on these wide receivers because that's what we really me to talk about. That's kind of the the one position I mean. We can obviously look at tight end for the Dallas cowboys as well I would probably prefer to. You know it made me look at one a little bit earlier But I do like what Blake. Darwin brings to the table as well. I don't man I type position for me when to Dallas Cowboys. I I really don't know how to Woah attack it because what's no round learn. What does he didn't? We didn't hear about him all year. I think I'm and you love November. I think he's GonNa be on the way out with this new coaching staff. I'm just wondering if he's if they kinda sat him out and tried to get him to transform his body into a two hundred and thirty five two hundred and forty eighty pounds guy and have a possible. Move to tight end. I'm just throwing stuff out there because I missed Noah Brown but no moving onto wide receiver. Have you group yeah. I'm in right so hold on the love. What this wide receiver? So let's go over our top five. Okay I'm putting you on the spot right now. WHO's your number one guy? Make sure I'm not missing anybody before I say it but but it's GonNa be Yup. I'm hi I'm probably as high on Michael Pittman is anybody yes. I'm so happy that you said that because I love Michael Pittman to use for one guy. What do I don't think it's close honestly dude? I had this argument with Matt on the blue-chip Scouting podcast about how Michael Pittman is is not what he's being advertised at now. He's being advertised as a jump. Ball fifty fifty guy off and he just isn't now does he have fantastic speed. That is going to separate. Ah Deep No. He doesn't but he is a much smoother route runner then he has been given credit for and I think that we're going to see that in one be one's a mobile and he has nuances in his route running. That makes him play faster than some of the subtle movements with his feet some of the subtle all movements with the he he does that late separation. Push off because he's so big it doesn't look like a push off because he just kind of extends arm out a little bit that creates a yard of separation. Other smaller guys aren't gonNA be able to do do when you turn on the Utah Game. You just just have some paper towels and lotion nearby. Because you're GONNA fall in I love You're absolutely right. I mean that's some of the best wide receiver tape that I've seen all year and such strong and look at that defense offense that no. That's that's five of those guys are here in mobile six or seven of. We're going to get drafted and I texted you yesterday yesterday. About Tyler Johnson. Because I I don't know if you saw it but I did a Michael Pittman versus Tyler Johnson kind of prospect versus prospect. Dang on twitter yesterday. just broke down a couple of games for Pittman and a couple of games from Johnson and a lot of people were like. Oh Johnson's in a different ballpark commitment. And I was like Pitman's in my opinion you're GONNA be way higher than I'm GonNa have Johnson. Mike thinking do more things Johnson. As far as moving into the slot moved him outside but dude like Pittman Pittman Pitman's Utah Game. Byu Game in. And I can remember Arizona State or I will state. I can't remember. I watched three his his game yesterday and I was like the first round talent so I mean he's not because he's not gonNA. I don't think he's going to test that. Well like you said but on tape Haeggman guy looks like an absolute no. He's firmly he. He has a second round gray per meal on tape. I mean he's he's he's good And then who's who's your second and let them go down through through five because we were going to end up at like forty minutes on just the offense if we keep swooning over these ones right so second for me is GonNa that'd be Brandon. I I would say I'm a big Jay Hill Fan. So he's probably GONNA be in that three range for me. I'm a a big given do rene fan and a big Brian Edwards Fan. Okay so watch Courtney Davis ship. which I I hear he's fun? Yeah so I need to watch the all the Texas guys. So the two guys in Texas. Say Courtney Davis I haven't watched him yet And then the two Texas wide receivers but I you know. I watch a little bit of College Johnson last year and he's fine on receiver buddies. Just really not my tell you so. My Johnson is what people think Michael Pittman. Yeah kind of Michael Pittman. I'm in is my number one. My number two is in in. This is is going to be Brian Edwards. My number three. Listen I'm going to give give it to. I'M GONNA give my number two now. I'M GONNA switch this up I'm GonNa give you my number two to do vernay. Just because I've I've heard the Deebo du Vernet calm and if he's anything like Deebo. deebo Samuel was. I'm GonNa love him because I love. Deebo Samuel D.. Bill had a first round game last year. I love with his game. Number three would be Brian Brian Edwards then number four is Van Jefferson. I'm a huge fan. Jefferson man he is going to go in the the fourth to seventh round that the best because he's not a great athlete but he knows how to get open and he's going to be one of those guys in One d one since he's he's no doubt the best route. Run out of this group no doubt about it. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA get better in the one situations than he is he his tape against. LSU is phenomenal amoral to release and get in separate against Stanley and fold stunned. But he's not a great athlete and he's Never GonNa be more than the slot he just won't be. And then my Hi v I would Would Be James Approach. You and I know that that might sound crazy. But that Dude's hands are unreal on one way or hands from him I am much lower brandon. I much lower on Denzel moment and I much lower cage hill. The most people And Caja Hill. I like but I don't Love Caja Hill. I think K. J. Hillen van Jefferson have a lot of similarities. I think that band Jefferson is a little little bit. MORE SUDDEN THAN K. J Hill is And so that's why he I have him above I also haven't seen any of add. But I heard that he's just a big non separator as well. Have you seen. You watched a watch aged edgy more broadcast than any of these guys. Being that he plays it liberty and not far from me he is a big tall big big not necessarily fast guy but like we were talking about with Michael Pittman. He's a better route runner than he gets credit for. And it's because I think a lot of it's because he threatens the nine so hard that defenses have to respect that and he can win coming back to the football a lot better than I expected when turning on the tape and that's something they might not do as well at the next level. But I'm really interested to see how he does against you know the LSU corner the you the corners were. I'm talking about here and a little bit. Who got a good class mobiles? Well but I agree with what you said about Denzel mims. I'm not quite as high on him. And and Yahoo Man. I don't like him. You don't like them at all. No I don't like now So I it's okay so I should probably practices by saying I. It's not that I don't don't like him it's that I don't see a lot of the things that other people talk about being his trump cards I don't let's see them consistently enough to really like him that much. Because I hear about this explosiveness And I just don't see enough if I see it when he gets the ball in his hands but as a pure separator even separating downfield I just don't see it And then on top of that like I. Don't I think he's a good route runner. I don't think that he's nearly as sudden as he should be An only being a six foot tall maybe six foot one. He's not a big dude either. So so I I. He's kind of in that James Washington area for me because I was lower on Washington. What everybody else loved him So that's kind of where I have brandon. I now now if he goes out. And that's why for me like Brandon. I can't more more approve. Him and Mims have more to prove roof than anybody to me in all of mobile because if they're able to go out and temporary because mims my issue mims is like I watched him against. TCU You I watch Jeff gladden against Menzel mims and up until the touchdown in overtime he did nothing. Nothing nothing against Jeff gladly got absolutely dominated and that scares me. Because if you're going to be speed guy listen I didn't need you to be able to get off pressing vertical stack is. I need you to be able to do that. And he was unable to do that for the entire game and he's just not son. He's just is not a good route runner because he wants to he. He's got build up speed. Manny just wants to work often that speed. I'm definitely higher than you are but I also agree read that I don't think he's is explosives. A lot of people think he is sorry. I was trying to get that point out while we were talking about him. But you know again. I think he's a guy that I don't you know like when you talk about explosiveness I think he is good after the catch which which is which I think is important. Today's NFL. Because I think that it's turning into a league where you get the ball in the guy's hand he let them break a couple tackles and then that's where you're at so I think he's really good at run after the catch ability and I think that he's explosive enough in good enough route runner that he can be developed into it again. I was trying to think the other day who would compare him to previous years. I don't think he's going to be graded as high as I had Michael Gallup but they're kind of similar in some ways that I saw like what I saw Gallup which made him the first player for me and some things I say with Brennan IOC where like after the catch you know the ability screen break a couple of tackles get the ball thirteen yards downfield. They have some similarities in that build. Which makes him fun? But I agree that you know I think some some people think he some explosive free Kathleen. I don't see that Washington state so let's get into these offensive tackles here just real quick Did you have you watched. Watched any of them yet. I know you probably watch Adams. Adams is the only offense align ended. I have watched. That will be mobile which I am disappointed in but yeah so I mean I watched a little bit but trae Adams indicators. Excuse me Nick Nick Center. Though you're talking about offense lineman generally in general. Yeah yeah no mean to man. I haven't gotten them yet I was waiting because I'm trying to figure out how I want to. Who set up my grading scale for offense blind so I have kind of held off on watching is because I can't grade them yet I canoe scouting notes and everything thing but I can't sit down and actually give them numerical grades And that's kind of frustrating. I I need to figure out a system for that but you know nick. Harris is a guy who was a little bit undersized undersized you know to eighty five maybe like real little for a center and he's GonNa need to fix that But if you can get right around in that three hundred hundred mark. He's got a little bit like Eric Bradbury last year. I don't think he's as good as Bradberry is but somebody who can work really well zone scheme on and I think that he has enough of an anchor to not really be too much of an issue pass protection You WanNa talk a little bit about trae Adams. Yeah and trae Adams Kinda reminds me a little little bit of a good Lord just had. It was the kid who came out of Washington last year. Kill mcgarry big. Gus Mean Nasty Stories. Always refined his technique still growing as a player. But a guy who's just absolutely massive plays a little bit more Abbott Athletic Than You'd think for a six foot eight and I'm really interesting what he weighs in that because I know we talk about that when McNary last year was is he going to come in as big as the number say but again I think he's I think he's a fun player he's GonNa probably be in that second round third round average for me a big nasty guy who plays with great tenacity. He's he's he's he's gone I think he's got a lot of growing to do but I think he's one of those guys you turn on the tape and you see a make some of those nasty blocks and you're like Gosh this guy's GonNa be good. Yeah I'm really interested in you. Know in in seeing him obviously because he's somebody who has been really highly touted throughout his career but it's never been able to really stay unhealthy PT W is somebody who can be looking at in day to As a possible guy coming in who can. Maybe we take a starting role at some point. You know even as a rookie. I've really like him. I I think that you know when I watch game against. Lsu We did a really good job Kind of you know whatever came to mind chase on come off of that side trying to do any sort of power moves whatsoever He Prints Dagel was having none of that whatsoever. I'm another guy that I'm really interested in. Is Josh Stone Josh Jones from Houston. He somebody who is getting some first frown hype. I'm looking to see how good that technique is. Because he is. Apparently you know one of those free athlete types that is gonNA eat possibly a You know high upside type dude and then another guy just for me. Is Ben Bartsch. That is saint. John's division three. I I love whenever we get the small school guys in to see how they stack up against the big boys. Yup I agree obviously Jones as a as a big name came out of Houston and then like you were mentioning with a p.. T. W. he's a guy who's also being touted pretty high as well. So there's there's definitely some some big I'd say some big name name often the Lineman's in a class that interiors lacking greatly the tackles at work so outside of the Washington guys. I just don't have a lot of analysis right now. I'm trying to watch some of those guys before we get down there but I'll probably spend a lot of the trip mobile kind of looking at those guys and who who fits in where all all right so we're going to go to break we. We've held you long enough Held you hostage offense for long enough. This is talking to draft will be right back. I'm Jillian Weinberger. Who's the impact a podcast from about how powerful people affect the rest of us this season? We're looking at the big ideas from all the people running for president in twenty twenty this opioid crisis head on public option. move away from do energy efficiency and it's GonNa be Great Wall and it's going to work. A lot of those ideas have actually been tried before like that. Wall trump wants to build. 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The boys I would like to thank blog in the boys for allowing me and connor to host this wonderful podcast. We both love talking about the draft. Actually this is kind of how we met. We met you know two years ago at this time north three years ago. Actually at this time Just to cowboys guys on twitter trying to figure out who was going down to mobile on the we ended up not knowing literally anything about each other and staying together in a very very sketchy hotel But that is how our friendship started skating. Hotels AIRBNB is the way to go. We love it And cornerstones money for that so for For the rest of the stay you you pay me half. I need the other half for this year. Yeah Oh no no no. I'm just talking about last year. I was like no man just letting the people know that you owe me money. And didn't my people to get in touch with people and they'll be sending the money. Yeah okay get your the people in touch with my people. I need people to get in touch with my people too because he owes money to Now let's get into these defensive tackles. I know that you all want to hear about the offensive tackles because the cowboys need one cowboys have always needed one and probably will continue to need one after this year. Because you need more than one and Campbell was having none. So let's talk about these guys. I'm going to start off the bat. I know that everybody is going to be in love with devan kin law and everybody is going to be in love with Nevo Gallimore. Everyone will be. I'm here to tell you the Dave on Hamilton is the number three. We got all these guys on what I hear about Roy. Ray Davis pretty decent run-defender. I got God got having fun on totally totally underwhelming and has Williams disappointed. Because he's somebody who you know when he came in as a freshman I was like dude. You'd like David Irving. I'm really thought he was going to be David Irving and now it turns out that von Kinloss David Irving and let me say this in the knowledge l.. Let you continue. But I feel like he's definitely getting a little ragged on too much because of the like standard set for himself two years ago because I still think he's a good player. People act like he's terrible because he hasn't lived up to expectations but I still think he's a solid player for sure. No He's still still certainly a top one hundred player in his question. Yeah I mean just look at the look at is frame. Look at how strong he is. He's somebody who you can bring in you. You know. Play three to gap or if you're playing three four. He's played the five tickets entire career at Alabama. You know he played a little bit at the news this year. But he's really a a five tech at heart for for them at least somebody who can to gap and strong run-defender. I'm an that's what you need to use them for. That's going to be a good pig but Komo when it comes to dame on Hamilton. He's got great hands man. I I really do enjoy watching him. I think that he somebody who is kind of gone under under the radar but him and a couple of these other guys from this Ohio State Defense under the radar because of all the talent that they have at the top. But he's a damn good player and I'm really excited to see him in one one's mobile. You know who my guys write. Your guy is also my guy. Issue is or guy is three hundred and forty pounds in a nose tackle. Let's go Leckie FO- to baby. I mean fat lead in my life. The fattest is my favorite of all the athletes but one tech is my favorite position in sports. Interest is even more than quarterback. I love dancing bear. I'd play some gun at three tech. I think he could do it again. He's not Vida. No we isn't quite via light. Yes I know Similar similarly athletic I I do think of Ebay had a little a bit. More juice. Uninvited via via via had just unreal power. Unbelievable and lucky doesn't have that but he's a good player and he still is a very powerful player. He's technically proficient but his motor. run so hot you know. You don't expect a three hundred important. I'm thinking that you know. He ends up dropping to about three twenty and plays it that way gets a little bit more explosive but A fantastic you turn that. USC Utah Game On. And it's just like you don't have to watch any other games. 'cause you just get lucky you get Michael Pittman you get your Terrell purges you get your Bradley another way you can just get all the Lovin in one game you just turn it off in quick draft coverage because senior bowl right there. That's right pretty much. Yeah I love me some lucky man I think he I again like I said it tongue in cheek like you complete three technique but totally thank you could and it wouldn't be a disaster. He's got he almost plays more explosive then he does powerful which is weird to say for three hundred thirty five pound six foot five beast but I just love I love the way. He plays the game like He. Has that just like absolute dog about on that for the cowboys example. You felt like you lacked this year. Like the guy who you just like. There's a play. He forces that he blows up the pocket forces a fumble the refs like grab them to slow him down and he liked pushes. The REF over and I'm like I. I love that like that. That speaks to me. Because he's just a dog. I love that about him All right so moving on from him a little bit. Have you watched any the of a laurel or lateral but lerwill Murchison That's the NC state kid. Have you watched. I watched a little bit of him. The other day again. He's the guy that you look at him. He's more of that under tackle but he did. He did a lot of two gaping at NC state. So yeah you'd like to see more of the pash ability for two hundred and I don't know what he's GonNa win. That probably two hundred eighty two hundred ninety pound guy but he makes plays you know He. He's the guy that plays the run a little bit better than you thanked. He would for a bladder defensive tackle but he's got great size on he's listed at six foot three to ninety ninety one. It looks like he plays it. Looks like He. He looks smaller than that on tape. Almost looks like a defensive into me playing defensive tackle but again he played a lot lot to gaping at NC state. He's got a little bit of juice to them he yeah he played a lot of five tech to yes. Yeah and and that's what I'm that's what I'm saying. It's kind of tough to. Is he going to be under tackle defensive in you know he's not going to be an edge what we consider a outside linebacker pass rusher but he could. It'd be that defense alignment that plays five tech plays you know. You're you're under tackle so I don't know I'm interested to see what he does it mobile because he's one of those guys and there's been a few guys in the past two years where we went in thinking. They were defensive tackles and they spend a lot of their time out on the edge Russian as an rusher so I'm interested to see what his what his delusion mobile because I did like what I saw from him but I'd like to see him play as a straight up under tackles is a three technique. That's just one gap in. Because I think that that could be that could be a little bit more beneficial to his game. Yeah for emergency and I really enjoyed how athletic he was and for me. I felt like he did a really good job of discarding blocks in the run game exactly which I wasn't expecting somebody that is sub. Three hundred pounds doesn't it looks smaller than to ninety one. Eight look small will do So I am interested in seeing where he weighs in at but what I really liked about him is when he had a pass rush plan and could be proactive about where he was going he. His athleticism was fantastic. Where I had issues with him? was you know in not open-field situations but like even and in the telephone booth like his ability to change direction and you know really reach out and get guys out of his frame. You know insight spaces. His was was something that I really didn't you know enjoy from him as much So his ability to change direction. And it's kind of like when you see receivers or running backs who look a lot quicker with the ball in their hands then when not when he's able to think about where he is going before he does it great late at Lewisham but when he asked to react. It's not quite as it's not quite as good there but good player overall somebody who way people to play that tyrone Crawford role maybe depending on what happens with his contract. Have you watched any Lebron Ray yet. No I haven't okay I mean he's he's a junior from Alabama put. He's kind of he plays. That same role is merchants and yeah very similar players. But I don't even know for GONNA come out but I was watching him the other day watching Rick. Juan Davis and I was like man. He reminds me a lot of merchants than when I was watching merchants in the other day. So yeah and and quick quick on the Murchison thing is Lee. McNeill is a former four-star guy. Plays nose tackle for. NC State. Dude is a stud absolute monster. He's one of those guys who is the biggest this nose tackle in the world. He's probably three ten three fifteen but super react super-quick and he's got really good hands. He somebody who can be that penetrating annotating one tech who can come in on pass rush downs and really forced the issue in as a pass. rusher he was really fun to watch but moving on to the edge rushers. Do you like any of these guys. Yes okay who. I'm pretty high on Bradley a okay and I I like Bradley Bradley because Bradley and I it's technician and I like technicians at rush and then I am also I like Jonathan Green little bit yup good player like Trayvon Hill is a late round guy because I watched him at Virginia Tech and I thought he it was fun at Virginia Tech. So we need to talk about that real quick because people talk about his tape of Virginia Tech being okay. His Miami was terrible yes. I agree develop into player in Miami that I thought he would once he transferred from tech Miami but I remember two or three years ago when he played for tech people I thought he was going to be like a top ten pick When he first came in you know he's just he's got a Lotta linked he's got great sized Kinda reminds me he looks like Randy Gregory out there tall repack your bed? That's it that's always. Yeah and so. He gets totally overpowered way too often as well. Now the guy that I wanNA talk about real. Quick is Daryl Taylor Daryl Taylor junior somebody who I'll watch the other day he's Yeah means just okay yeah But let's see I do. I do have a question for you. Throw Lewis you look at him as is an edge rusher linebacker terra Lewis. Yeah he's an edge rusher Bro. You like him yes I love him. Okay all right. 'cause rate well I figured he'd be one of the first cels we talked about. We didn't bring him and he can but he can. Well he's not listening in on this anymore he is he's under linebackers. Always I asked because let's so let's talk about so let's talk about him okay. And let's and Zach on an empty jennings. Okay three three guys wind. I believe her at rushers now. Empty Jennings and terror terror Louis. Both guys who can play linebacker can play that three or four. Our Samuel somebody who can drop into coverage every once in a while Terrell Lewis had as good you know you know left and right ability to so he can plan an carry running backs as well emberley jennings is a bit more straight line. But he's somebody who I really like as a pass rusher heads. I'm disappointed wanted today. Have Terrell Lewis is a linebacker. I hope they don't have him doing linebacker stuff and not Edrich. What a what? I'm thinking is the linebackers white is is hold on Izak on a what do they have him listed as an outside linebacker which that's still an outside linebacker so I don't understand the discrepancy between linebacker outside linebacker and inside linebacker obviously and so and so everybody jennings is listed as an inside linemen here and I don't want that I want that at all. They're going to put them in Mike or Sam in a four three and I'm going to hate it because it takes away his best ability with his pass rush exact on. He's a guy. I haven't watched twenty two but I have watched cut ups. He isn't fun pass rusher. He's the Wisconsin Pass rusher. He's the he you turn. I mean again. I'm not comparing him to T.. J. Don't you on that. But like when you watch. T. J. Watt at Wisconsin. And you watch that Bonnet Wisconsin. You're like that's the same player same type of player and then and on top of that and you have at outside linebacker David Taylor who is have you watched him at all. I have not watched. Oh My oh my God. This kid is going to run like a four to five Mike just and to twenty four. Wait what this dude is. Stupid stupid fast Let me see if I can might produce can pull up his hundred meter. 'CAUSE Damian Taylor is a truck guy for for Colorado as well random ten five I repeat he ran a ten five and he's like two hundred hundred and twenty pounds. So let me pull up. The hundred meter dash two forty yard dash just like rough You know not difference but but how they translate to each other a little bit here. I will why you do do you have. I have been up okay so a a ten six four roughly translates to four four a ten to seven roughly roughly translates to a four three. So he is going to be a two hundred and twenty five two hundred thirty pound guy that runs a four three five or four full somebody who can play that kind of money mackerel can play down in the box as a safety linebacker. Hybrid type A position that the NFL is moving to more and more often. He's not a great football player yet but he's new to the game still didn't start. Start playing football until we got to college. Because of his religion he was not able not allowed to play or do anything really Friday through Sunday when it comes to Physical so still learning the game great athlete. I'm super excited to see him in mobile because he somebody who can work really well in space and then same with Akeem Davis Gainer guided just moves man. He's really fast. He's a little bit undersized but plays really physically belly for how little we is. Have you watched him at all. I have not as another thought would have on the linebackers you march. I did watch shoulder. Cut Up of Evan. Weaver the other day have you watched him. I've watched all of Evan Williams. He looks like my dad in terms of his body but he makes place so so I said he looked like a coke can. That's kind of upper body is your yes. He's very roundish. I'm super excited to see what he looks like. In way it definitely doesn't make sense to me. He definitely wears flipflops on the beach and to dinner. Yes absolutely and always has sunglasses on. Yes you're right but with Evan Weaver Dude. You're writing just makes plays it between the tackles. He might be the best linebacker in this class. I agree actually I actually will hold him. He's just so physically limit. He's just so slow. Yeah he's my dad okay. So He's your dad. I'm playing out there but no other than that like have you. You've you've had to watch like me Carson and Francis. I'm a huge fan. I like Harrison Harrison. He's GonNa be. He's going to be my stirred graded linebacker Yup. I think I think he'll be my ob three as well. And then Ed Francis Bernard another guy who is a bigger do there. There is some off field. Stop from his past he was at Byu and got kicked off the team got an e y has another couple alcohol things and at Byu. That's obviously a no go Really good coverage really good athlete physician endings. He's not small either so somebody who should really Do quite well in mobile with the way that things aren't there. Let's move on to the secondary brother. Yes yes diving these. DB's go for it. I'll let you speak first. Let's talk about corners. I in will end with safety's boy Christian Fulton didn't have best is best game last night in the National Championship. Thought that pass interference was week. I did I did. I think he had an interception taken away from him But also had some struggles rules you know. He had struggled with Higgins he had struggled with Ross gets turtles tackling at time. So it was. It was a rough night for good Fulton. And I think well you know Fulton just kinda struggles tackling in general a little bit. But he's usually so sticky and coverage when you take you take what you get with that but the one thing that I've always had a little bit of an issue with him is there is there are times where when he gets a little bit jumpy impress coverage and allows the inside track Now he's got the reactive athleticism to sometimes jump those like on that pass acid appearance. But you don't like that no and when you just don't have that Armley to Brooke again like it happened. Last night. He got beat he was right on the back hip he just didn't have the arm linked to fit his hand into break. The ball up and it was a big gain on the sideline where he wasn't in bad coverage. He just didn't have the right arm link to get his hand on the football and it was a complete pass so like you said he does have a tendency to kind of us. Trust those instincts maybe a little too much. And when you don't have have that freakish athleticism or freakish length. You can't recover the way that someone like Trayvon digs does. And he's the guy that I think we're gonNA talk about later. PODCAST podcast but he kind of gets beat a lot but has that athleticism and linked to kind of get back and make a play on the ball but I know you really love Jeff. Glad knee and he's a guy that I am a big fan of his well man. He's one of those guys who I could see going. I'm not going to say before. Seventeen I definitely think he's GonNa end up in the first round. Yeah I think after testing happens it'll be no question at that point. I think that he'll end up being between cornerback to and cornerback cornerback. Four at the end of the day for me. Yes I would. I would agree. I think he's GonNa be cornerback. I think he's cornerback. Three for me right now so I think that any corner that is comfortable playing off. Man is somebody who you can just rely on period and that's something that he does really well now now he's a little undersized. I mean I think he is going to weigh in. At least he's listed one eighty one eighty five If he can get to the one ninety marking still keep his athleticism lettuces them yet. We're talking about a guy who could go top fifteen. Yeah because his tape is really really good. I mean again. He's if he didn't play at Tcu any wasn't one hundred and eighty pounds. He probably be more saw. Awed at is a top twenty player in my opinion. That's just because you know a little bit with. Aj Green is well now aged Greens not near the player that Jeff findings. But you know you kind of good good body on the kid And then I want to move on to one that kind of disappointed me look conformed. Yeah man the House Lamar Jackson Bad I was. I wasn't a huge fan. Either I mean. I don't think he's bad but I wasn't a fan. I'll put it out and say bad now. I watched two two games and one of them was what I was told The worst game of his career so I'm keeping an open mind going into mobile because when you're six foot three have vines for arms and are two hundred and fifty two hundred twenty pounds. You're freaking intriguing. But he might be a safety convert candidate maybe Have you watched these other guys. I watched a little of the wake forest kid the other day as saying Bassey. He's got a fun. I again not a guy that thinks. Go on. He might be a three guy But again I think that in this corner class that is pretty you stack in my opinion even with some of the hits it it took. I still think you're going to have plenty of guys. Go on day two. I think he's a guy that could go late on day two and still be productive he might be more of a slot guy at the next level but I think he's. He plays a lot bigger and more physical than his his size would suggest I think he's got really good ball skills and and again you know he's a guy that's probably gonna get overlooked because he plays wake forest and is at an Alabama LSU guy in a class it's filled with talent from Alabama LSU. But I think he's the guy that you can pickle day to and be happy with is productive role player or developmental starter. Yeah have you watched any troy pride yet have not all right. So I'm getting into Notre Dame stuff later today. That's why didn't talk about glee cream at all or any of those names but kick kindle builder named from Georgia. Southern is an intriguing. One that I'm really interested to see how he plays against bigger competition vision because he absolutely dominated in the tape that I saw him Georgia southern and and I'm trying to remember real quick which game that was. Mm about telling you oh the LSU game where He held his own an I mean he held his own against two of the. I mean what top. It's one of the top five or even cores in college football now. He was in and out of that game a little bit. I don't know if you like got banged up some point of it but you know really physical guy. He looks like he's got good size. I'm really intrigued by one that I wanNA talk about the most. Tyrrell Burgess bless you. I'm GonNa hit mute but by purpose Mike you savage the ornate homes. Tyrrell Burgess Donna. Helms's somebody who I like Didn't play real well. This year he'd state date from last year is really good. He's going to be one of those guys who comes in day one and starts for you in the slot I'm interested to see. Would you say on. Burgess Burgess I wanted to it before anybody was talking about. Burgess it was all about black men and the rest of those guys on defense and all of a sudden this skinny kid the USC game this a skinny kid starts breaking up passes left and right the USC game. And I'm like is this kid is senior. Why do we not know about him? And then I looked it up and then he got the invite to the senior bowl. And I'm like this is the best of maybe all three of those guys in Jalen Johnson who is GonNa be a day to pick maybe day one pick at corner corner. I mean he's got the body for it. He sticky man. He might be a first round. Pick eventually tyrrell Burgess for his size is not offering to bang around. And that's what I really enjoyed about him. Even more than his ability to get his hand on passes and he's got long arms and he's able to get his hands through and through to catch point you know when he's trailing which is really fun to watch So he's somebody who I really. I can probably end up with like late to early third round grain for me when I finished upgrading depending on how tests obviously but somebody who I I really join in one of the first guys. I watched this year that like I was one of the first ones on because like I said before. I watched him. Nobody was talking about alum who my guy is in this class. Who just take it? Yes if you say Julie Blackmon I'm hanging no no he's going to meet a senior bowl I'll give you a few seconds in the knowledge. Is Tony in the corner of safety. Safety is it a D.. One player no. Oh it's is. It Ashen Davis no is it came on Wallace. I said No. What California's D one? Oh it's not he's not. Yes what you're saying. Oh my bad my my that. Oh I it's it's Kinda Dude. That dude he honestly honestly. I'm interested in Antoine Brooks junior as well because he's Kinda that Safety linebacker hybrid as well. I don't think he's athletic enough to play safety at the next level But he could be that dime linebacker type so yeah I mean okay. Let's move onto safeties. I guess yeah. Have you watched genital in southern the annoys guide. No I haven't. I've watched him mettler from the safety class. It's gotta be in Mobile. I've watched Davis have watched Duggar. I've watched changed a little bit of maiden of watched brooks junior who I think's a fun little funnel player and that's a talking about digger. Just think that he's going to be a strong. Safety is going to play around long. Scrimmage might even play some linebacker roles at the next level and he's just a guy that flies around the field. He's got silent and a sideline speed. He's not a great athlete but he moves very well. Horizontally he can make plays is behind the line of scrimmage again. He's not this freak athlete but I think he's explosive enough to where he's he's he's GonNa be one of those guys that I think's going to be a great special teams guy he's he's GonNa be a great rotational guy but man I just. I liked the role he could play because he's not just a box safety. I think you can play him as a linebacker linebacker. Even I mean again. I'm not GonNa play miss a Mike but you can play him in some of those special linebacker rules at some defenses like Arizona and I don't know some of those more exotic style defense is where you have that extra defensive back plays in the linebacker role. I think he fits that. Mold perfect perfect because of his size because of the his ability to play sideline to sideline and make plays on the running game. And then I don't think he's a bad cover guy either which is fun and again. He's a day three guy. Hi All day but I think he's a dude that it's six foot two two hundred twenty pounds you have faith in him Being able to hang as a run defender as a cover guy who can line up across from tight ends. You'll cover some running backs out of the backfield but again I think he is fun. He's explosive and he can be a really good special team slash rotational national Cornerstones defense so I gotta ask. Where are you on? Why can I think all right now? Ashton Davis. I think he's awesome. That's GonNa test really will. Are you like talking seventeen. Awesome or like I wouldn't i. I wouldn't go that far awesome. I don't think it makes it a fifty one. After he tests. I think he's Eddie Leo. I think he's probably an early early early day to guy I think that's kind of where he ends ends up Do you think he's the third safety off the board. Yes and less in less when field goes before him which is possible in my opinion. He's my draft rush show. I mean I wouldn't field I I've I've loved that dude ever since I've heard so what happened was in October. I was I turn on Minnesota Soda game to try to watch Tyler Johnson and I play the game on defense in. This is a game that I recorded on Hulu So I was watching and I play the game. He comes from his safety position after the snap and makes the play. Behind the line of scrimmage and I'm like Oh my God who was that missile second play. The game is an interception from the same little little man. I'm like Oh my God who the hell is this kid. Then I find out that he's leading the nation in interceptions and he's Antoine Winfield son Josh and then start reading into a more and he reportedly ran a four to seven going into college and a camp so like even if he runs a four four. He's five foot nine like thirty two thirty two. Oh five but when you're you're five nine zero five look like tank any hints like tank. Any moves awesome anyways. I gotTA stop talking about Winfield here capon walls. How do you feel about came on walls? Man I don't WanNa say don't like him because I like him but I kind of I guess the best way to describe it is. I expected it a lot more. And maybe that's the Clinton effect but I expected a lot more and was disappointed in some of the cut ups. I watch and I need to wash the twenty two one but the cut ups left me wanting more and again. He's a guy that I wouldn't mind. Look if they don't go speaking for the cowboys if if they don't go safety in the second or third and he's around in the fourth I would take him but I wouldn't be comfortable taking him any anywhere before that. No I'm right. There with you on Wallace My my biggest issue with Wallace's his ability or inability Attack on the open field There's none of it there He doesn't move well laterally and go thing that kept popping up on me is like and again this. This might be the clemson effect but I kept wanting to see him fly around and it's just I think he's okay athlete overall. And now you. There's some times where he comes down hill and he played really well my the thing I like about him most is the way that they use him because they use him in so many different ways in with with wallace the the my favorite part about him is his willingness and his tenacity when he blitzes he just keeps going keeps going keeps going keeps going he so many Secondary members when they hit the offense of tack when the chest it's over they don't move from there he keeps fighting keeps trying to get around guys needs affected the pocket get quite a bit. And if you want to have somebody who you can use a plethora of different ways cave on Wallace's your guy. He's not going to be great in any one area but he's somebody who you in on day three can come in and you know contribute right away in a certain role Yeah I agree I mean I think I'm GonNa have see. I think I'm going to have a guy we were talking about earlier. Duggar Uber whatever. Whatever you call it for the Lenora Ryan Kid? I think I'm going to have him great at higher than your guy which might be a high tech. I Dunno wouldn't be crazy to me. I don't love Wallace. There's a lot of guys out there that really like Wallace. I'm not one of need. You Watch Jermaine Mental. No okay I'm it's crazy because I actually started on safety class on Monday and I I watched a little bit of Davis Ashen Davis that is early in the process just because he was such a big name kind of floating around so watched him a lot and then on Monday I watched brooks junior of I watched do better and then I also watched a little bit of Wallace as well and again I need wash them before I form of concrete opinion on them but I was with what I saw from him so far. It stinks that Shaheem Carter isn't going to be around for this because I was really excited to. Let's see what he was going to be able to do on then jaren maiden I think that out of the entire secondary in Alabama he was the worst of that group And I I feel like when it comes to the mental part of the game. He wasn't quite at the level as the rest of them are I mean that Element Alabama defense is a complicated one to run So we'll We'll see we'll see how he looks. You know in coverage in this weekend you know against those running backs who were really excited to see and we will be down there next week. Starting Tuesday you guys are GonNa get podcast every single day. They will not be an hour and ten minutes long. They will be a lot quicker because then I gotta get an Exodus Film Lounge and spend the rest of my time watching film of practices that I watched live. Why you're crazy? 'cause you're like that's your thing in the hotel L. Lounge you you spend a lot of time in there and I spent time in their guys. Yeah I like finding out so little back story. Yes yeah so you on the interviews and all of the film stuff And actually this year there are a lot more guys that I personally want to talk to so oh like I. I'm going to sit down with herber at some point. I'm going to get Herbert himself. And I'm going to figure out what the hell happened in with that offense I'm GONNA fear L. But we will be back with you next week every single day. Tuesday through Friday probably I don't really have much else to say. Except let's go to mobile mobile

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A Pre Draft showcase?

College Football Live

24:32 min | 1 year ago

A Pre Draft showcase?

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For the moment suspended in live instruction in the classes, and that is going to affect the football team today an possibly tomorrow. So I'll start with you. What's your reaction to the fact that there will be no in person instruction at Notre Dame through September second, and this is going to impact the football team at least today. Marty there's so much to unpack right there with this statement with that act and for them to have to pause football practice to address that issue to take questions I would love to to be able to hear some of the questions that were asked and the answers that they received This was something that I believe we can foresee happening especially once. you start to open a campuses to the students and if they're not practicing social distancing if they're not wearing masks, this is inevitable is going to happen everywhere. We're starting to see happening more places it happened at you and see just the other day. Now know today this is going to continue at schools opened up the campus to students no surprise whatsoever. Does. Listen. I put it. University Richmond didn't play in Michigan. I didn't play Notre. Dame. But I can't I if I think back to when I was. Exactly. When I was in college of anything that Jim read, our head coaches and time would have done would have stopped practice for. So it tells you how unique circumstances are we all know what we're going. I think it really tells you. How important communication is right now and the the ability to stop practice to actually talk to players and tell them what's going on what's expected and how we're going to make this work. If we're going to make it work, you've got to be responsible for what you have to do in. These are the things that you have to do in order to make sure that we're safe and that we can continue football season if we do indeed started. And what you're saying, there's the dire need to communicate. You have to communicate with the players and the parents, and that's why there's so much frustration right now in the big ten, there's frustration among the players, the coaching staff and the parents and one of those coaches. That's frustrated is Penn State's James. Franklin, who addressed the media today to discuss that frustration. I don't necessarily have a issue with the decision you know but I but I have an issue with the process and I got an issue with the timing. In all it was challenging to keep getting up in front of my team and getting up in front of my parents. And not having answers to their questions when you when you make a decision. Of this magnitude that affects so many people on such a significant level maybe the most important decision in the history of the big ten, it wasn't. You heard James Franklin say right there taught the most important decision in the history of the big ten possibly, and there's just so much confusion. We've seen the frustration now ever since the decision was made, there are parents who are writing letters to the big ten office and Commissioner Kevin War and there are players speaking out about their frustrations what is your perspective about what's going on in the big ten right now? The Amaury I think this is to be expected like you've got a everyone in the world wants college football that's involved in any way shape or form wants to play or watch or be a part of college football in the fall so. Listen that it was such a difficult decision to make for the big ten in the pack twelve saying. Even though we know we're GONNA, lose all this money, the TV rights, the players wanting to play the coaches wanting to coach everyone wants to be a part of this but we have to make a decision that we believe based on the medical evidence and the information we're getting that that we we have to make the tough decision to say we can't do it even though everyone wants to do it. So now you're seeing the frustration and the backlash I understand it. The problem is there's not going to be college football in the big ten this. There's not going be college football in the PAC twelve this fall and unfortunately I don't think in my opinion I don't think there's anything that anyone can do in order to get college football for those programs. Yes they're frustrated. But at this point they know the information and it's time to probably start to move on. And the problem is that they don't know the information they don't understand how the League and Kevin Warren and the president's came to this decision and I I felt the frustration today I had the opportunity on my podcast Maurice Miss America to interview aiden Hutchinson a tremendous edge rusher for the Michigan wolverines whose father Oh, by the way happens to be an er doctor who's seen some of one thousand patients with covert. Here's what he had to tell me today. Out Say my emotions are just frustration I'm just infuriated. They made this decision without without talking to us the commissioner, our president there were no words exchanged asking about our thoughts whether we wanna play because you know at at the end of the day you know we're the ones playing. I think it's unfair that Kevin War, on the big ten commissioners cancel in the big ten season yet his son will be playing football at Mississippi state this year down south. So for him to cancel my season, allow his son to play football, it doesn't quite make sense. Does you heard eight and Hutchinson said right there about his level of frustration not only that he's not playing that his commissioner son might have the opportunity to in the SEC. What's your reaction to what aiden had to say they're the overall vibe and the big ten right now Well he he just echo the feelings of everyone in the big ten, all the players, all the coaches of course, the players wanted to play and you know Marty as as a anybody who's in administration from coaches to athletic directors to commissioners you can ask any of them. They will tell you all the players WanNa play Marty we were young and we that we could conquer the world nothing could affect. So if you took a poll with the players, of course. Just about I would say, maybe ninety percent of them will say, yes, I would play don't forget now there were players before these announcements were made that opted out of the season they're still players right now in the SEC who have opted out of playing. So you wouldn't have gotten a hundred percent across the board year. We all WanNa play because there are some guys who understand the risks that are involved, but but guys like aiden I completely understand that's what Justin feels. Has that petition has over two hundred, thousand signatures. Well done young man so I understand their frustration. Great to be young, but you gotta has what that's why you've got the dose in the position that they're in to make the tough decisions to try to protect these young men. Trying, to save them from themselves in some small way maybe days as a result of some of the big, ten, and PAC, twelve teams not being able to play this fall. At this moment, the NCAA, the NC Double A. has proposed. That those teams might have the opportunity to practice for twelve hours a week and as part of that, there is the potential to spend five of those twelve hours in helmets working through that it would be film session and that type of thing as well. Team Meetings Penn State head coach James Bragg Franklin reacted to that today as well. I don't agree at all would to twelve hours that that makes no sense that other teams are going to be playing a a season and we're only going to get to work with our twelve guys for twelve hours. Dance Real quick thoughts on a twelve hour week for these young men who can't play. Amory, I'm doing the math in my head even if they're working just five days a week, that's not even three hours on the field you know what I mean that's less than three hours but I guess they're trying to throw them some sort of bone and that's the best that they've come up with so far. I just don't understand. First of all, wearing the world is the NC double a. been an all right. WHO'S WHO's. A long time WHO's making the decisions, and now you come in and the what you've been thinking about twelve hours. Versus teams can do twenty hours. If they're playing in the fall, it least allow them to have the twenty hours. Every other team has, but like the NC double, A. is a whole different subject for for another time I'm frustrated with this and I can understand how every coach in the in the big ten in the pack twelve is extremely frustrated with this ruling. Already frustrated that they may not play while the other conferences are, and now they're reducing their hours as well. Right to former LSU students say former NFL. Football team running back Darius Geiss raped them a few months apart from each other in two thousand sixteen while guys was becoming a star running back with the lsu tigers that according to USA Today the allegations were shared at the time with at least two coaches and administrator and a nurse. But the school apparently did not investigate according to that report. A police report was not filed and Geiss has denied all the charges. lsu responded today in a statement, the school saying Lsu and Lsu athletics take all accusations of sexual assault with the utmost seriousness. Complaints are also strongly encouraged to complain tents excuse. Me Are also strongly encouraged to report the offense to law enforcement and are provided information on health care counseling and supportive measures. Available. The NFL's Washington football team released guys earlier this month after his arrest on domestic violence charges. Coming out several marquee talents on Todd mcshay as mock draft board or choosing to opt out of the two thousand, twenty football season and instead prepare for the NFL draft we'll break it all down next. Napa know. Get all the quality parts you need at your locally owned Napa because right now, when you order from Napa Online, you can pick up curbside your local store, just three minutes or get your order delivered direct to your door with free one day shipping over a hundred and sixty thousand quality parts when you spend thirty five dollars or more quality parts delivered quickly and safely. That's NAPA know how I know how participating stores started shipping exclusions apply. It's your home speaking and I need you to do me a couple of favors I cut. You'll get that blueberry that rolled under the fridge last week. It's throwing my functions way off second thing, bundle your home and car insurance with GEICO. It's easy and we could save money. Lastly, I know you're thinking of painting the nursery back to off white, but I'm actually feeling this baby blue didn't think it was my color but I m pulling it off. GEICO, for bundling made easy go to GEICO DOT COM today. Football live is brought to you by. Sheet. There's only one. News today out of Winston Salem North Carolina. Great player has opted out of the season star wide receiver from wake. Forest Sage Ceram will not play this season for the demon deacons and he joins several great players across the country who made that decision take a look at some of these superstars. The list includes first team all American Mike? Parsons from Penn state the big ten yards per reception leader Rashaad. Bateman. From Minnesota and last season's ACC sacks leader Gregory Russo these are some ballers. Have decided not to play the season and that creates issues for. The NFL scouts who want to look at how these young men prepare and how they play. The game will are down mcshea who knows more about the NFL draft and anybody as a proposal for them. Todd. You had a great article on ESPN DOT COM about this. What's your? What's your perspective on how this might be remedy? I'm just looking at it from two perspectives, one, the players perspective, and then to the evaluators perspective, they both need more tape when you're graduating school, there's no El set for for an NFL draft prospect, there's no Grad school, there's no internship. Your tape is your baseline in terms of your resume, and so you lose out now twelve to fifteen games of tastes you can put out there for evaluators not only the players lose losing out on opportunities the evaluators are losing out on the opportunity. As well to get to know these players and get to understand what they can do in terms of the next level just go back the last three first overall picks you talk about Baker Mayfield, Mayfield third round grade on him. Then he goes number one overall it made thirty million dollars of that last season Collar Murray was going to be an Oakland he was playing Major League baseball for about nine million dollars and he winds up with that one season at Oklahoma, and and then turns into. The number one overall pick in over thirty million dollars that he gets from that and then last year Joe Borough I had a fifth round grade on and then he goes number one overall again, thirty, six, million dollars he wants his contracts. So what I've proposed is that we need to expand the senior bowl. There's no other place in the pre-draft process from the game that National Championship game ending to the draft. There's nowhere that's more valuable than those practices that you can watch one on ones. The corners versus receivers tackles vs defensive ends all of that. So I think the senior bowl is the best place to try to make up for that loss of tape and the way you do it is expanded I talked Jim Nagy, who's the executive director of the senior bowl, and he's already looking into maybe playing two weeks in December and then two weeks in January or February and having a lot more players there to me that seems like a good solution to try to help both sides. We happened to have an expert who can help us unpack this from the pro level, our NFL front office insider Mike, Tannenbaum join the program now Mike if you were in this position where you had to evaluate young men and you don't have the tape that you wish you had how would you go about this? Well, I like Todd's idea. It makes a Lotta sense but really that's only half of the equation. Would we always talk about the tape sets the floor? The character says the ceiling. For Desmond Howard happened to have both that's why he was a top ten pick and had the Kerr he had. But what's really important I like the idea of the postseason activities at the senior bowl because it gives you some sense of an evaluation. But when I'm talking to teams right now they know they have to double and triple down on their contacts at schools especially. In the Big Ten and the PAC twelve in terms of leveraging their context to get the right information on these players because they're going to be making massive projections, bigger projections than they ever had make before. So the big concern is obviously getting the evaluation right from a player standpoint on the field, but also from a person standpoint, really getting to know the character of these players. And this doesn't affect the superstars nearly as much as it does young men who have an opportunity to truly improve their draft great days. You were one of those superstar so it didn't apply to you brother. But if you were advising these young men who needed more tate, how would you go about advising them to get the exposure that they need? Well I would go and make sure I pull the best tape that have against some of the best competitors, some of the best guys in in this draft class. If I've if I'm wide out and I went up against a defense back who's going to be like a first rounder now make sure I pour their take and. SPLICES. So. I was able to get some of the best competition. Secondly, I will hire an agent that can help get the exposure that in the you need a season aged at this point that knows all the loopholes and knows all the back behind the door tricks to get you all the attention of exposure that you can, and then I think Mike Tannenbaum he's really hit on he hit on the good point. Character you want to make sure that these teams are aware of your characters of you have coaches, position coaches, head coaches, coordinators who can vouch for the character that you have on and off the field the person that you are that I, think that will go a long way and trying to get the exposure getting a good grade that you need as a kid with about to become a rookie and NFL. Just, keep going back to the tweet Joe Burroughs sent out just a few days back. He said if this would have happened to me last year, I'll probably be looking for a job right now and he just signed at thirty six, million dollar deal that tells you how important this is coming up on the show our reporters all over the country will update us on the latest news around the college football landscape including what George is. GonNa do welcoming. Fans back. On Saturday, it's another UFC fight night from Las Vegas Pedro Moon takes on former lightweight champ frank. Frankie Edgar in the bantamweight main event main cart starts eight thirty eastern on ESPN prelims at five thirty on ESPN plus. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in? What? Sleep in another half hour. Thanks Sweetheart. And you'll change yourself to. 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The SEC schedule is finalized and there's some huge games to be played. Georgia will host Auburn on October third in front of limited crowd, and then two weeks later, the dulce travel to town to face Alabama, I cannot wait. CD's games. Here's Mark Sleigh Ball on Georgia's stadium plans this year down in Athens. Thanks Bardy Georgia officials on Wednesday announced plans for each of the teams, for home. Games at Sanford Stadium this fall off Georgia officials said, there would be no more than twenty five percent capacity at Sanford. Stadium that number equals about twenty three, thousand spectators per game and it includes players, families, students, and faculty and staff. The typical Georgia's season ticket holder we'll have an opportunity. To purchase one four ticket blocked for one home game. The schools top donors get purchased that many tickets for as many as four games George officials said there would be about ten thousand tickets made available for the Georgia Florida game in Jacksonville Florida. But there would be no tickets being sold for the four true SEC road games for news at Texas. Let's go to Sam Com. Thanks more expectations of Texas are high usual in part because of the presence of Star quarterback Sam melander. The senior was asked earlier this week if he needs a championship to cement his legacy with the LONGHORNS. That's for everyone else. said it was my mission the University of Texas to leave the program better than I found it if I've done that and I consider it a success. Right. Now, elegance more focused on perfecting the offense under Ford neater Mike Usage a veteran of the big twelve after six successful seasons driven the offense at Oklahoma State allender call of your smart professional intense integrate play caller. Now let's go to David Hale who has an update on Clemson Thanks Sam with hearts and Travis. CTN Back, you wouldn't expect often to be the big concern for Clemson. But that's where the big story lines been starting. The CLEMSON's trying to replace four starters there after an off season where there's been very little facetime for that group to build chemistry. Devastating actually been really pleased with how the first five have looked led by right tack fat has been one of the big break out stars of camp so far. Depth. That's a big concern. Even during a normal year, Clinton likes to go deep on the line they rotate early and often with the covid nineteen looming central for quarantines because of contact tracing building depth is bigger and more important than ever for the Tigers. Meanwhile, it receiver Justin Ross out for the the neck injury but softwares Joe God and Frank Lanston has yet to practice in full either they've been in their own quarantine protocols because covid nineteen They're expected back at practice on Thursday as funds and breaks camp, and start turning their attention Ford's wake forest and we won. Over. To Marty. Appreciate IT David Gentlemen. I don't even know what to make of this football season I just hope we get to play. Appreciate your insight today Boyce. y'All have a good day.

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Do The Dolphins Need To Draft Tua?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

38:48 min | 1 year ago

Do The Dolphins Need To Draft Tua?

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by capital one. This is banking reimagined. It might be my favorite sporting day of that. No it's not. I is my favorite sporting day the day one of the NFL draft. I cannot believe how excited I am. I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN news. Siriusxm channel eighty the ESPN APP. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance. And there's always we're gonNA start you with the headlines that you need to know and it starts with some football news the Patriots designed to receiver receiver rich draft class but they didn't for the NFL Draft Patriots. Get on top of it today. Signing Receiver Marquess lead to a one year. Deal sources told. Espn's Adam Schefter on Thursday. He became a free agent April twentieth when he was released by the jags. And what was the surprising news at? The time is twenty eight battled injuries throughout his career. Never became the game. Blame game changing player. The jags had hoped when he was drafted in the second round in two thousand fourteen only played in six games had three catches for eighteen yards. It lasts a last season. So we'll see At this point what is next for him actually? I should say in his last season. So we'll see what's next for him now as he heads to the Patriots speaking of the NFL draft. I told you earlier that had people that told me the BENGALS WOULD NOT TRADE. The number one pick overall for anything. Well now we're finding out that that's true. Cincinnati Bengals told the Miami Dolphins Multiple Times. They would not trade the top pick in the draft for anything leaks sources told. Espn Adam Schefter. Call the dolphins call them more than one occasion over the past few weeks. We're told by the BENGALS. They're not trading the pick they will stay at number one and lastly on your headlines as we get another corona virus pandemic update or at least some consideration of it. This time it comes from University of Arizona President Dr Robert Robbins who said Wednesday. He does not anticipate the wildcats playing football. This fall even though the university plans to bring students and faculty back to campus for face to face instruction during the fall semester. This was with an interview with K B O am in Tucson Arizona. Said he's worried about intercollegiate sports. Getting back to normal after the pandemic and anticipate some of these sports including football will be moved instead to the winter term. Those are the headlines. Geneva's I take your take on. Espn radio presented by Progressive Insurance. I'm Jason Fitz. It's drafty and if you're new to me if you haven't been hanging out with me. Draft Day is the ultimate data me on the sports calendar for any football fan because it represents the ultimate time of hope. How many of you guys are fans of a bad team? How many of you guys are fans of a team? Felt like it was just one piece away. 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A big carriers everything for less savings may vary see terms and conditions at straighttalk dot com and the straighttalk comes in the way of to look. We saw the rumors. We heard the rumors yesterday that the dolphins were considering moving up to third in the draft. Something gets for an offensive lineman. Somethings it's to ensure that they can get to. Its own below us so the question is do. The dolphins need to a with their first round draft. Pick so Dan. Dan Orlovsky joined Maxon Stephen to break down the dolphins actual need for two below. Do they need to draft tour with the number five overall pick assuming he lands at that spot? I would tell you know at this particular juncture and I would bring in Mel Kiper Junior. I'll even though he still has to at number five remember he moved them off and drop them the number six a few weeks ago why because speaking to NFL Aficionados. The impression was that there wasn't that big of a distance between two and Just in Herbert. If you listen to David pollock who was on? Get up earlier he says. Excuse me there is a difference. There's obviously Joe Boroughs this too And then average obviously this everybody else would ever Jordan. Love being distant. He actually put love ahead of Herbert. But if you're listening to Mel Kiper Julia it then you listen to the. Nfl Aficionados was saying that it's not that big of a difference between urban and to now you have to take into the equation. The injury history the ankles now the HIP. That hip is a very serious injury. You know the ankle all of that stuff. These are the kind of things that happen in football injuries do happen in football. Even at ankle injury happens in football but the hit and the way. He was damaged if off of that hit against Mississippi State. I don't think that's something you can ignore. Plus they have some stand up earlier and since yesterday they were throwing out the fact that you know what I think that too as throwing the ball away about twelve times in two years. He has a pension a hold on the ball when I interview Nick Sabin last week. That's what Nick Sabin brought up his. He's he has so much confidence in himself. He wants to hold onto the ball because he constantly believes he can make a play. Then I gotta take it to the equation Max. And then who? He's playing with. Who Do you have you the Miami Dolphins at this particular juncture if you're going on a roster that's relatively loaded with an abundance of weapons to throw the football to etc etc. That's an entirely different ballgame but Miami is clearly it rebuilding mode. We knew that based on what we saw last three games in weeks said that this might be the worst football team we've ever seen. Which is why we've raved about Brian floors and a job that he did last year. But if you look at them right now you're throwing to into a situation where you're essentially begging him to do more than you'd want a rookie to do coming off the kinds of injuries that he ultimately had. I think it's a dangerous situation. I'm not saying I wouldn't take I would but I'd be scared off and I I don't the operative word that is need. I'm not going to emphasize that. They need to take him under those conditions. I think that's a bit too strong but I'd still take. I can't deny that. Yes yes yes yes yes. They need to take to a five reasons. I'm GONNA give you guys first of all. I remember about thirteen years ago. This is the same organization that passed on drew brees because of injury. They've been trying to find drew brees since they made that decision. The second one last year they treated Minka Fitzpatrick. Who's a really good player and Laremy Tunsil? Who's a really good player for draft? Picks they did not trade really good players to acquire draft picks just for the chance to drift really good players. They acquired those for Ammo to make sure that they can go get the player that they wanted the second thing. Imagine they pass onto a right? And we're going to play with Ryan Fitzpatrick fizio play. Well he's GonNa have this really good moments and they win seven or eight games. Then you go into year. Three and two thousand. Twenty one of a rebuild. The Brian Floor is in Chris. Greer the general manager and head coach. They're going into year three of the rebuild and they're going to have the eighth or ninth pick and they still don't have a quarterback before thing. Nick Sabin one of the greatest coaches of all time Stephen. Now you just mentioned him. He said two at halftime at the national championship three years ago. Hey I need you to win this football game. He that same coach told everybody. Hey if you pass onto your going to regret doing so it's like I regret passing on drew brees. And then he also them the most important person that ever came to the University of Alabama. My fifth point is the most important one and you guys know this. You cannot become great at something unless you are willing to take risks sinks when onside kick at halftime gig against peyton manning. The Eagles as the number one seed went into the playoffs. The backup quarterback and rented trick play on fourth and goal against the Patriots. The chiefs one up to go get Patrick Mahomes when they are playoff team without Smith and the Ravens drafted a quarterback who can't play in the NFL. According to some people in the Mark Jackson. Go be great to go win championships. You gotta go take a risk. The dolphins have to ask themselves. Are they willing to pass on a chance greatness and they shouldn't they need to draft? Tua I take your take on. Espn radio presented by Progressive Insurance. I'm Jason Fitz and Look I. I agree with so much. Dan Roloff ski saying. But let's not pretend they're established quarterbacks out there I mean if you're a team building your roster from the ground up there is also some value to simply saying I will take the person that's tops on my board no matter what. I don't think it's smart to feel like the dolphins are even pinned into having to take a quarterback if they have concerns and the concerns around to maybe legitimate that being said I cannot stress to you how great I think to can and will be. If he's healthy. If is this very difficult. Espn radio is presented by progressive insurance with insurance for cars homes boats motorcycles RV's and commercial vehicles at one eight hundred progressive and progressive dot com. So I want to get into some expertise here so. Espn draft expert expert gymnast. He joins us on the show. You can hear him on day three of the ESPN radio draft coverage. He's also the Executive Director of Research Senior Bowl. So we've seen a lot of these seniors particularly up close and Personal Jim. Thanks for the time I hope you and your safe really appreciate you coming on with us when you try and assess what to do to talk of a lower given the injury history. How does it sort of shape up in your mind? It's really it's really difficult like you said it's a big yeah And it's easy for all of us in the media to sit around and say we would trade up for him and we would draft him But again that we're not going into Stephen Ross office telling them we're going to spend thirty million dollars on that player So you're you're tired of that guy if you draft him in the and it's not just the hip It's a long injury list He put on the tape. He takes a lot of heavy contact. He just Kinda got a knack for it So I mean I agree. Everybody's he's got a chance to be really good player so and play live eight times over the last two years So see this kid. Play a lot of football His instincts are off the charts. Once the ball snapped. She sees things a lot of guys. Can't see I was talking to a guy that coached him up there in Tuscaloosa early in his career today and he said that he said you get this guy on the sideline or the you know meetings the next day. And you're like how did you? What did you see there you know? Why did you throw that? And he's like well. I thought this he's like Jim. I don't know how he sees some things he does. So he does his instincts off the charts But you have to weigh the injury thing you just have to in a year where there are other good options some year. There's only some years only a couple of guys up at the top that are worth taking You know this year. There's not you know just hurts. Real guy joined the law. You talked to guys in the League. He's got as much or more talent than any of these guys so there are other options. And that's what teams are weighing. Right now you know is the is the reports reward. We're talking to ESPN draft expert. Jim Nagy so you just mentioned eleven in explaining to be kind of what you see there. Because I'll be honest I've gone back and watched it. I don't necessarily see it. There's just a lot of questionable decision making to me. So what have you seen that? I'm missing Yeah to me. It's not decision making it's sloppy so if you've only see the to the two thousand and nineteen tape you need to go back and look at eighteen. When he had thirty two touchdowns and six interceptions Stars Offense New coaching staff. A lot of different factors though. I mean this would be a fun guy to be in the draft room debating. Because there would there. He is a little. Poke polarizing for sure You know now. Other bad habits yes There's certainly he's created some bad habits but he was planning on offense with nothing around him. you know and I hate to slight you know college players but in terms of you look at what has got to has got an NFL offense playing around him. Joe Borough had an NFL offense around him. You know he You know Jordan wasn't playing with anyone that's GonNa play at the next level. Probably so he had to force the issue. He had to force balls He was trying to win games. He was being competitive many. He got that team to a bowl game. And if you look at everything around him what you have to do when you evaluate the quarterback position. I'm you'd realize how. How much carry that football team? So you know. Should he sit for a year to kind of undo some of those bad habits absolutely that would be best case scenario but he has such an effortless thrower he makes it look so easy so the great ones in any walk of life? Make things look easy? He makes them things on the football field. Look so easy And that's why guys that coached physician WanNa work with them because he does a ton of things. You can't coach just like we said to a you can't you can't teach you can't teach his field vision You can't teach a lot of the throws that that that your love makes so That's that's the hard part with him is. You're trying to reconcile eighteen to nineteen tape. Just like two or you're trying to reconcile the talent against the injury so I think it goes back to that Joe Boroughs really the only cleaned guy of all these guys. Well Jim makes you make a great point about his weapons into that and you had better weapons here before maybe falling into a later spot in the draft actually helps him because he won't be starting behind the eight ball with that in the NFL. I find it interesting. You tweeted yesterday. Biggest cliffs shelves at any position in this draft or interior interior in cornerback. And that's of interest to me because as you mentioned the top four players to at each of those positions could all be gone in the top ten because the drop off corners one that's been hotly debated once you get past Okuda and Henderson. So what do you see from the rest of the crop of these corners that we're talking about? That could be going late first early second. Yeah there there's A. There's a glut of those guys same thing with white out. I mean those those two positions I think in the second and third round you're GONNA see a run on wide receiver corner and And no matter what team you talk to. They all have them in a different order You know the teams I talk to. They're all they're all bouncing at different players off me You know trying to get our opinion from from having guys at the senior bowl and other guys we've watched and it's it's interesting to see which guys that are are interesting to other teams But it is. It's kind of like you. You take you take a name out of the bag but There the corner group is really interesting. So you've got you know like Christian Fulton from Lsu Who had a really good year this year? Kind of quietly opposite Stanley. The freshman got all the he got all the hype Fulton had a really good year. Jeff gladness from TCU Is is a little undersize but you know has some ball hawk to him really aggressive player. you know. Terrell aged to rally clemson is a guy that When I was up in Clemson this fall. You Know Davos said he's the best corner that he that they've ever had their you know when you put on the tape. And and he's a really good player he you know he got beat up a little bit against Lsu but he's a really good player so it's just kind of it's kind of you know what fits your scheme There's a lot of different flavors out there. But there's GonNa be a Lotta guys going in rounds. Two and three. Some of the mocks today have had Okuda slipping Into the lower portion of the top ten most recent. It was eight or nine that Okuda went as he starts to fall or if that were to happen teams in your mind. Get aggressive about moving up to get him. Given how great he is in this particular classic corners. Comparatively again it. It depends if you're a press man team. You're GonNa Love Different Okuda if you if you like the lineup. And let guys get the line of scrimmage and choke receivers in and run with them. He's he's your guy he's he's long. He's competitive Thrown aggressive so he he's GonNa fit for those teams those teams that play real physical style. So that's GonNa be the intrigue part of the draft is there might be a lot of trade offs in this draft. And it's GonNa be really interesting because I think that You know teams are probably anticipating trades. Being a little more difficult once we really get into the draft. Um You like runs four or five and you really gotta work the phones. That might be more difficult. But these I draw trades. I really have been laid out over the last couple of weeks. That's that you know that. A lot of teams are spending the bulk of their time. Right now you know reaching out to friends around the league and you know gauging interest if you know you willing to trade portrayed trade back And they're working through scenarios now so I think that I could be loaded with trade. We're talking to USPS draft expert. Jim Nagy now Jim. You're also the executive director of the reese is senior bowl. I've had the opportunity to go to the senior bowl. I think it's one of the coolest things you can do. If you're trying to learn about the guys that are out there in the draft given the the amount of time you spent with some of the kids in that process who are we sleeping on that you've seen that everybody's missed on because maybe they didn't get enough time with them God that's a really good question spent. Won't they Texan those guys? Text data those guys You Know I. I've brought US name up a couple of times and I think a guy that's been slept on his josh from Michigan Outside linebacker had fifteen and a half sacks over the last two years in you know last year they had win of its went in the third round of the Patriots and and Rashawn Gary go in the first round of the packers and this guy was was much more productive especially on like personnel basis than those two guys and I thought both those guys were good players but Josh is really unique you know you see the past stuff on the Michigan tape. And he's he's really bendy and he can. He can get there. He can get to the quarterback from a lot of different alignments. He's he's really slippery. Dip under and around guys and and then we bring in a mobile and put them in a lot of coverage situations and he really showed up doing that too and he can track tight ends and backs out of the backfield down the field. It's really hard to find guys that can do both things So Josh is the guy that that I think you know being slept on a little bit cave on Wallis a DB from Clemson is a guy that You know blew out the combine really to my surprise a little bit. I thought he's GonNa test well but not as well as he did But but really a good football player safety nickel Competitive kind of a three star guy for Clemson They got on late. You know he wasn't your typical Clinton Five Star Kid. He's really kind of got that chip on his shoulder. So I love guys like that. You know I love guys like that. Logan Wilson the linebacker from Wyoming Could go in the second round but you don't hear his name a lot. There's a lot of guys you know. We we get these first rounders you know to death But there's a lot of good players you know a lot of the GM talked to. They really feel like the meat of this. Draft is around two through four. And that's why you'll see a lot. A lot of teams are willing to trade back. A lot of teams are wanting to get out of the first an stockpile picks in rounds two three four. Because that's where you know that's where the majority of the values in this draft and that's all the more reason you should listen to them for day three of the ESPN radio draft coverage Nobody's got there as a better than JIM does. Follow him on twitter at Jim. Nagy underscore. Sp Jim appreciate your insight. Precedes your expertise. Stay safe my friend and thanks for hanging out with us. Yeah thanks for having me on Jim. Any of these guys have been around. The senior bowl have had such an opportunity to work with different players and see these players. Close it's interesting. And that's why he's a great listen again for three on. Espn radio draft coverage. You don't WanNa miss it a. We're asking you guys in the spirit of the draft to tell us the best move your team ever made you can chime in on that triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. You can also tweet me at Jason Fitz letty guys. Tweet me gifts of incredible player. So obviously We'll get into that. We'll share a little joy. We always WANNA share a little joy as we get ready for the draft. And don't forget Joe Borough destined to be a Bengal find out tonight. The twenty twenty. Nfl draft is on ESPN radio presented by marathon and California almonds first round coverage begins at seven PM Eastern on most ESPN radio stations. Coming up would have bronx comments about playing in New England. Say About Bill Belichick's coaching style. Well we'll hear what the first take panel had to say about a say about that next but first why you can't believe everything on social media these days you can't believe it's possible to start a new life as an. It pro in his Linda's four months from the comfort of your own home even if you have absolutely zero computer experience instead of waiting to see what happens when life gets back to normal cake. 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Three seven seven six tristen in Pittsburgh. What's the best move your your team ever made on Draft Day Jason? The best move my team because the steelers has ever made on draft day was trading up from the twenty seven th pick to the sixteenth pick in two thousand three to draft the now hall of fame safely Troy Paula It turned out to be an amazing move. He was actually projected to be a late. I router early second round or so people they might. They might have reached for him at first but it turned out pretty good. I think he I think I think that one worked out. Pretty well for you as you steelers. Fans have a lot of reason to celebrate some teams. Just always get it right Toledo. What's the best movie your team ever made on draft day? They call Steeler Fan as well Troy was a good one but I think the Jerome Bettis trade from the rams the ninety six they traded They got better than a third round pick and they traded away their second in a fourth round. Pick in ninety seven. You know. It's it's amazing. How hindsight can look at all of these trades and figure out what worked and what didn't work and how in the moment we spent so much time obsessing over some of them Kyle in California. The best move. Your team ever made on draft day. What was it? This is GonNa hurt you Jason. But it's as a charger fan. Two thousand one by far trading the pick for VIC and ending up getting Tomlinson and breeze in the same in the same draft. That's historic you're so right about that one and it is just good swift. Run up kicking the no. No places to me as a raiders fan but my God I have to slow clap it you know when you think about what the charges were able to get out of that trade in getting ladainian. Tomlinson and drew brees. You look back at that and sort of scratch your head and say how the heck did we get there? Don't forget guys you want to tune in. I know we got a lot of draft comments coming in draft talking in. Don't forget to tune in to the last dance of behind the scenes. Look at the ninety s Bulls Dynasty. It's a ten part series. Continues this Sunday at nine pm Eastern on ESPN and you can listen to the RAPA. Podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately following the Bragg broadcast presented by state farm available wherever you enjoy broadcast. I take your take on. Espn radio and the ESPN APP. I'm Jason Fitz triple eight say. Espn eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. What's the best team booth? Your team ever made on draft day. We'll get more your take coming in just a second. But we've some I take reacting to Gronk Steven A. Had plenty to say about Bronx comments coming out. And saying specifically he learned a lot he He absolutely appreciate with learned about the game of football but he didn't mince words that it's not fun playing for Bill Belichick. That is what Steven reacted do today. I'm I take. That is no fun player for Bill. Belichick Bill Belichick. Let's be clear there's nothing else to say about. The man. Demand is is a savant. He's a genius He's a winner. There's no question about that But when you talk about the Patriots. Way It's not about Robert Kraft was It's not about the people around the ability. It's about one man who runs his ship with the nine fist. That's really the situation. You put your head down you do your job. It's just that simple. Because that's exactly what he does. He's devoid of emotion which Max and others have talked about on many many occasions Personal feelings usually don't get involved although I would challenge anybody to tell the there wasn't something Personal Malcolm Butler being benched before the Super Bowl. I'm thoroughly convinced that but outside of that. I don't know of any indication of Bill Belichick to me Has has failed to make what he believes to be. Just a pure. Football decision devoid of emotion. That's who he is When tedy Bruschi was on it and after he had retired I think I recall him saying that the things that Bill Belichick and set about it he wish he had heard it once when he was actually playing for the man. Whether it's anybody else religiously people say the same things about bill belichick. He'll Raven Raven Rave about you once. You'RE GONNA you're retired but as long as you're playing for him well even playing in the league but not playing them anymore. You're not getting that kind of love for him. If you're Gronkowski obviously you know for love and have a good time. Brady's reached a point with six super bowl championships in non super bowl appearances. And Damn I'm still be treated like just another guy at some point in time. Individuality does take over in terms of recognition in terms of feeling respected and more importantly at some point in terms of really really wanting to still enjoy the game that you reportedly have loved all your life and I think that's what this comes down to. That's all it says it can't say any can't say anything else about bill belichick other than he's the Dawson Beta of football. You know devoid of emotion. Doesn't give a damn. This is what we do. Here's how are we going to do it? And Damn your feelings of enjoyment or what have you. I'm about getting done. The Patriots weighs about players choice. And when you're when you're young and you're just starting out in your career and you're trying to find your way in this league. Do Willing to be treated anyway. You allow coaches to talk to you in disrespectful ways or you don't need the praised in the accolades that come along with being great but I think as you get older you start to see the game a different way you start to be a little bit more of an individual when you want to have fun you WanNa have a say so you want to be able to collaborate. And that's not that's not what Bill Belichick does the Patriot. Way is not a way that was set by the organization. It's a way that was set by May and that's going to follow his personality. There were countless guys who I know that left. New England would tell me. Yeah man when you walk down the hall. If you saw bill there was no hellos. There was no. Hey what's up? How you doing it was we. They're gonNA walk by you. We are going to speak and we're GonNa Talk Football Linden meetings. And that's the way he wants to run an organization but what we can do is discount the way that it works. We can't discount the success. You can't discount the championships so this is the way that Bill. Belichick wants to run his organization. Then that's okay but we will learn a lot this year because it's easy when you come in and it's tied laws and his lawyer Molloy's and then you suddenly inherit the greatest quarterback of all time. But you've got him in the sixth round so you get to treat him a certain way now every time someone steps into that building. I get to see you treat Tom. Brady the top dog. The best quarterback the game the same way you treat us also we all fall in line. You don't have that anymore. There is no Tom Brady. There is no top dog that you can treat a certain way and have people watch day. So what do England Patriots do this year? How these players perform how he gets them ready. How He leads them will be an indictment on who bill belichick as a quarterback. The question has always been Brady Bill now. We will finally get to see who is who and who mattered most in this Patriot dynasty. I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. All continue to say when you've won as many rings as guys like Brady and Gronk in one and you may generational wealth. Maybe something else just makes you tick. So it's okay if things aren't fun or on the Patriot Way and you don't WanNa play in that environment anymore. You WanNa go do something else. It's also okay for Bella. Check to turn around and say hey you got those brings him wealth by following my system. I'm going to keep doing that system for another group of players so interesting to see how it plays Ford. In the meantime we're asking you for the best move. Your team ever made on draft a triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. Six Nathan in South Dakota Nathan. What do you got I also have the beloved raiders as my favorite team and I know it's not huge trader. Huge move on draft day. But I think acquiring Jerry Rice in two thousand one out of free agency was one of the best movies. The raiders ever made no. There's no doubt about that to what they meant. We jokingly I was on Golic and Wingo hosting this morning with Golick senior and junior and Mike golic senior reminded everybody of some of the great players that were taken in his draft one of which was Jerry. Rice and I tried to convince them that he was notable Oakland. Raider Jerry Rice. I couldn't seem to to win that battle. Patrick in South Dakota others out to what are you got? Is the best team ever made on draft day? Yeah same team. Go Raiders There was this one time where we drafted a baseball player in the seventh round. That worked out pretty well for a few years. You guys might have heard of Bo. Jackson has a pretty sweet truth. Move ads get you know what we have to dip way back into the memories for that one but yeah I think that one worked out pretty well and obviously stands out as one of the best moves they ever made. Let's stay on the Radio Front. Why not do it Dylan in California Dylan? What are you got the best move? Your team ever made on draft day. My Oakland Raiders Choosing Heisman. Trophy winner Charles Woodson. Oh I remember that one and it's funny because I was at the time that's a great. Take by the way Dylan at the time. I was living in Tennessee. Right in the thick of Peyton manning world and there's not a lot of love loss for all fans Charles Woodson because they still are convinced that he took Peyton Manning's Heisman so it was funny being able to go around. Everywhere with Woodson Raiders. Gear at that point. And just a trolling all of my friends. That were fans obviously of Tennessee and then became fans of Peyton Manning. Johnny Connecticut. We got is the best. Move Your team ever made on draft day. Well Being Alliance Sam. I don't really have too many great members of good drafts especially during the millionaire but I would say recently only because You know I've been alliance remember thirty years. I would say to Kenny. Gallet draft pick back in two thousand seventeen was pretty good steal for the third round For value for wh- what he is today a third round pick for a pro bowl caliber wide receivers Pretty Pretty held a pick that no absolutely it is also sort of a statement does it. That's the the best and I feel your pain like that. That's what so many teams forgive traffic in Illinois. Let's squeeze one more in here right near Travis. What do you got is the best move? Your team ever made on draft for me. I mean Titans Fan so in ninety six we actually traded your raiders from the nine fought back to seventeen and Then we moved up to working to get any Georgian. I mean he is. Yours is the staple of Tennessee. Titans football he still has our identity so for me. That was my personal favorite. Oh no doubt about that and look I lived in Nashville for twenty years so I I watched that whole evolution. Go Down in Eddie George. Steve McNair there were some great draft choices. There for the raiders at that time for the titans at the time I should say. Espn radio presented by Progressive Insurance Progressive. They're making things even easier. They'll help you bundle your home and car insurance together. So then you can save on both learn more progressive dot com or one eight hundred progressive. We'll keep taking some of your take on the best moves. Your team ever made on draft celebrating draft today with a little bit of joy. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We'll take more of your take coming up. Plus should the steelers ticket quarterback in the draft this year? The first take panel discusses that next. It's first take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP and ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. That's how you tell me move. Your team ever made on draft day. Want the best one ever love. All of this love the joy. I just can't say enough positive. Things for all the bad drafts. I've lived through as a fan. I still get this report every single year. The first our today's show go check it out. It's on demand in the first. Take your take podcast brought to you by capital one. Why SETTLE FOR AVERAGE WITH CAPITAL? One you can open a savings account with the rape five times the national average. Welcome to banking reimagined. What's in your wallet? Capital one and a member. Fdic A lot of quarterback talk all right. We're trying to figure out what the quarterback situation looks like. Well one of the questions is should the steelers. Take your quarterback in this draft. Backup Big Ben. Marcus Spears joined maximum Stephen to have that conversation even if you draft one of these guys as a succession plan. Are they really? Do you view them as guys that can be guys that can take you into your your franchise into the future. The problem with drafting a quarterback for Pittsburgh at this point is if you do now. You have four on the roster. You're going to get rid of one. Either Mason Rudolph are dug. Hodges and you don't know if big BEN IS GONNA go down. So are you going to go with the guy that was there who I would think would be Mesa Rudolph because they drafted him fairly high year ago. The issue with Pittsburgh is not a quarterback. The issue is being gets hurt so I would. I would reach four but I'm with mags on later like later. That's a real possibility because you don't have as much capital tied up. You don't have the perceived succession plan to your to your franchise you play this year. You see how it goes. If you don't have a successful year you may be in position to draft the guy early if you do have a successful year and being stays healthy then only prologues opportunity to identify somebody. And then don't forget guys there's trade possibilities to it's still two quarterbacks out there and James Wisden and Cam Newton that may be available for Pittsburgh to make a run at. I'm looking at the Pittsburgh steelers defensively. They look stout. Okay particularly says they acquired maker Fitzpatrick's so when we look at defense we say okay. They're good to go and they drafted the cat out of Michigan as well. We'll do some good things for them last year. Okay so now. We get to the offensive side of the ball. James Caan is a question but we religiously talked about you. You could usually catch. You can find a running back in the late around particularly offensive line stout because of Gaza creating holes for running backs. You know how to find holes you can be productive. James Conner has proven that because I think he's good but not great. You got questions about Juju Smith Schuster. Even because he's a number one out of Antonio Brown's not but he could still play. You Still Got James Washington you acquired Eric. E. brought to him with Vance McDonald. So you got to tied-in if big Ben Rothlisberger comes back with that Marcus then. Chances are they're going to be significantly better. And therefore no position to get a quarterback the quality of what they might be able to get in the second round right now. That's where I challenge it. I don't I don't perceive the steelers getting worse in the future. I think they're going to get better. Their draft picks going to be lower as a result of it and the prime opportunity that they may have available for them to get a quality. Quarterback might not be here so why not take it now? I say your take on ESPN news. I don't know if you can afford with the team that's built right now. The way they're built. This is a team that was on the fringe of the playoffs last year. Right and suddenly. We're just GONNA turn around and take another young quarterback that may or may not be good enough if he's called upon. That's why I think it's makes more sense for the steelers to look to free agency and somebody like Jameis Winston Don in Florida. What's the best move? Your team ever made on draft day way back when she nineteen seventy Pittsburgh steelers. They drafted Terry Bradshaw number. One overall based on a coin flip with Chicago bears then turned around and a third round draft artists. It and save beat ever Mel Bud cude Lord now that that's a draft. You can look back and celebrate. Oh my God that's I don't even know what that feeling would be like. Keep THEM COMING. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. Six your favorite draft move that your team ever made on draft day all of this in celebration of what we're GONNA get tonight. Don't forget you can listen to it on. Espn radio starting at seven PM Eastern most ESPN radio stations eight PM EASTERN ON ESPN and the NFL network. Trae wingels leading a whole group of guys. We've basically done. 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Probably. I mean when they won a champion. Chip. We're talking decades decades since then, and they're young superstar still young superstar MVP candidate Janas entered a coupon says he doesn't feel the difference in pressure between the regular season and now with the playoffs. No same same thing. Live game anything having live game. But there's definitely offer fishers. Yeah. Pressure might ramp up a little bit right defense defense tightens up a little bit that series with the Troy, you know, they got Blake Griffin and Andre Drummond to kind of deal with you on us a little bit. But nobody can really deal with Janas promised Milwaukee. So good on the glass. That and frankly, they're so good defensively themselves. I think the choice gonna have a hard time scoring enough points to win this Wynonna games in this. The only way to Troy has a shot. Honestly, I think is to shoot the three which they do. Well, but I don't I don't know how far they can stretch Milwaukee. Because of the way the bucks defend and hit the glass. Yeah. What's the health of some of these players starry Blake Griffin knee Griffin? They he's dealing. He'll he'll he'll play. But I mean, no, he's dealing with Milan. Has got some two and Brogdon and coming in. There are some engineered. It's just is interesting. Yeah. He's gametime decision. With the fractured finger brogden don't underestimate that he's been out with the foot injuries since the middle of March. They're going to get to the NBA finals, they gotta have brogden in a lineup. So this this is not a given for Milwaukee has you just pencil them in. I mean, they have had some struggles in the playoffs before it's not gonna happen here. So I can happening. That's the Detroit Pistons, they're gonna roll the pistons. There's no doubt about that. But I think the move into the finals, which is where they want to go there the best team in the league you want to get to the finals, you think you should while in order to do that. They gotta get healthy. That's the issue right now. No, I agree. I I don't know that the Troy poses enough of a, you know, it'll be the only the real interesting part will be the matchup inside. With Blake Griffin and Andre Drummond, and how does Milwaukee and the lettuces and the link they possess, especially with honest. You know, do they get you on us and foul. Trouble. Can those two guys for Detroit be enough on the glass to limit Milwaukee's additional possessions? I think but all in all if no walkie losses. Here's it would be disastrous. It would be disastrous. It would be massively massively with this is what's that? They're kind of like the NBA's versions of Jinyu Cavaliers because they have been unsuccessful. They are the best team. They're the best record in the league not the best team. But they have the best record in the league entering the playoffs. Third straight year. You make the playoffs. Previous to you get eliminate the first round. Now, you gotta do something you got to at least get in the mix to get to the final. You gotta be right there. You gotta get healthy. You mentioned Drummond Shigin percentage against the bucks a regular season. It was down ten percent from his overall percentage. Not the shot-blocking presence. You would expect. There's a lot of things going Griffin day to within the this not going to be a problem here. The only thing is when a game is it a four or five. I mean what happens there, but in terms of? Longterm? I keep saying they gotta get healthy. And I think they have to figure that hey, why can they get to the finals? That's the quick. Can they? Well, that's the question. I mean, Milwaukee Toronto Philly Boston. Those are the teams that are thought to be really the only ones in the east that's half the playoff field with legitimate finals contention mean is there one that you like more than the other three right now, there's not you is it wide open in your mind with those is it kind of is. I think you in terms of Boston. I was on Boston people role in Boston. I don't know if you can just all of a sudden flip the switch and everything's gonna come together. Marcus smart, right? Yeah. It's got an oblique injury. Right. That's a piece out for at least the first two series if they make so far, right? That's a heck of a blow to this team. Okay. So everybody seems like it's crazy with the NFL. You always get injuries, and the NBA we're talking about a lot of guys who are banged up and are kinda iffy. So I think for Boston. We don't know that. Philadelphia. How is the fact that Indiana's here without vitriol depot, he played thirty six games? And then got hurt that to me that says a ton about what the Pacers have done. But yes, no, Philadelphia. He's saying he doesn't know. Let's he doesn't know. Let's ask him here. He is on his playing status for game one which comes today at two thirty eastern time. Langston? Still up in the air. Yup. They're eight and ten without him this season. I can tell you that mailman. Yeah. I that's what I'm saying. Dr every team we're just pointing to four teams that have an injury issue. And again, that's pretty wide open. I think people are automatically going to I guess you pencil and Golden State, right? Hesitantly? Yeah. I mean, I don't want to. But no, I don't want to. Honestly, I think the team with the best shot to get them. I don't even know to be honestly, I don't even know maybe Houston, but anything Houston last year in the western finals if they don't go for twenty seven from three they win the game. I mean, the the knock him out. Houston has shown the ability to play with them. The thunder are interesting, but they would have to be to hire seeds to get their likelihood with Portland Denver. Although I tell you this Mel. Portland coming from twenty eight down in the regular season finale with a group of rookies and bench guys to beat Sacramento did them, no favours because instead of being the four seed. And playing Utah, which is not an easy test. They actually go to the three and play the thunder, which I think is a much tougher test because okay, see is four and oh against Portland this year. They've had no answer for them and props to those young guys. We're coming back from twenty eight down to win that game by goodness. If I'm one of the veterans on the bench. I'm like dude jet-load aloe bit here. Well, that's the thing that whether fallen. Yeah, you would've rather and the top two players on each team who they rely on. We got yet Lillard and McCollum for Portland, you know, they are was Oklahoma City. It's Russell Westbrook Paul George, but the who's who's the better team. Who's got the better complimentary starters would be and you want injury. I mean, no use of Nurkic for Portland inside that that's you know, he broke his leg, and it was awful stepped at cantor standard. Did he sent job? And if you're that this is why you say, okay this. This was a great move for us to go get him if we're Portland because now you need them any. So familiar with Oklahoma City with the years that he spent there and Steven Adams. And now he's going to have to deal with Stephen Adams. I would like to think Stephen Adams can control the interior like he does against most teams as specially with cantor instead of nurture, but you're right kanter's been good. But is he ready for this moment in this series against that guy? I think no sorry. Take the two top guys all in put them out of the out of this. This whole discussion. Take two guys we talked to take to for Portland to for. Okay. Say out of the discussion who has the better complimentary starters after those two well, obviously until city, and that's always been Portland's weakness outside of those two guards has always been what in the series. And that's why they got swept by bigger more physical pelicans taint better pelicans team last year. That thing we thought that was going to throw the franchise into complete chaos, and they might completely remiss. Right after that that should not have happened. I think they're in danger of obviously a first round exit here. Which would again, I think they're ownership and fan base would consider that disappointing given the season. I wanna see little Lillard has struggled with his shot of late. Now, we know what he can bounce right back but of late he struggled. What happens there? There are kitschy match. Kanter. He's done a nice job. But other issue Portland art with trailblazer. Their suspect that both forward spots again. I I'd be shy. I would say shock. Yeah. I would be shocked if your team case it doesn't win that series in a pretty I'd say, easy fashion. I think one of the most underappreciated moves in the off season in the NBA was them getting Dennis Schreuder that was absolutely huge. He's averaging almost sixteen points a game. He spells Westbrook. They're dangerous when they're on the floor together. Dinner Schreuder has been I think an underappreciated star for the thunder. And again to your point when you look beyond the top two for each team. He is maybe the biggest key outside of Stephen Adams in this. Series when it comes to wear Oklahoma City can control things again, who's hot for Oklahoma City right now is grant, Jeremy grants and tear Bergerson. I think has has moments where you can see the future with him too. But yet rant averaged thirteen six for the season. He's averaging eighteen eight in five games this month. So he's he's getting getting going. So again, I just think too many Jimmy players much talent there not enough reportedly Lillard coming in who's one or two stars not shooting the ball that well of late now he'd better get hot. And he's not hot quickly hot list. Speaking of hot hot list is coming up next. I remind you though, we're always brought to you by ageless male tonight, the ridiculously fast acting nitric oxide booster that won't go unnoticed rush to WalMart and get ageless male tonight. Now that ain't hot you got hot list yet Mikey see trying to hit the open trying to mess with me trying to play with me three series that most likely to go the way of the lower seed in. The NBA playoffs. That's next on ESPN radio. ESPN? I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got their alarm poli get there. I'll get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's best button? Do what's this? Believe that. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Mellman? You know, what it's time for time for the barbasol hot list for the past hundred years generations of men of trusted barbasol shaving cream to deliver a close, comfortable shave. You're looking good America. You're shaving with Barbara souls Dorian Mel ESPN radio. It's great to have you with us taking you today. Oh, an extra thirty minutes. It's like Christmas came early. I know twelve thirty eastern as where we're going. We've talked a lot about the NBA playoffs would just did. We're going to do it some more because when you look at the eight series you say where will upsets come where will lower seeds win. So we decided to put this together the top three shots for the lower seed to win their opening-round series the NBA playoffs, and we call it this. It is. Oh, Mikey this. Actors paid Mikey see all the practice all the jump into guns all the listening session ammunition. All right. Wow. Film it shall we? Go one two three or three to one in this one through three I 'cause we're going to raise the tough one. Okay. Best. Shut yours for best shot at the lower seed to win in the NBA playoffs opening-round series is what? Well, if you've been listening to it. You would think it's opposite of what the seating is. I think it's Oklahoma cya agree at six over three a Portland. They're the better team. They're the better team at gone in talked about it a lot over the last fifteen minutes or I don't need to say anymore. It's okay. So he's a six seat over the three Portland. It is I agree with you. There's no question Portland needed to not win the finale against the kings. So they did not get matched up against the team that swept them four nothing this season. Now, Damian Lillard and Russell Westbrook. They they've gotten a little chippy. They neither of them seem to appreciate the other. They loved to compete against one another and that will be fantastic television. But I think the use of nursing. Injury as big as you said the depth beyond the star of the superstars for these teams is big, you know, as long as Paul Georgia's shoulder is. Okay. And you know, he's he's played well even dealing with some soreness. But yes, the thunder over the blazers you and I both have as the best shot of the lower seeded team to win. But how about your number two number is going to be San Antonio Spurs seven seed over the to Denver the nuggets fourth best record in the NBA nuggets. Have what Dr they're lacking playoff experience top three scores making their first playoff appearance. These teams split during the regular season. You got to prune veterans for San Antonio and Marcus Aldridge and Dhamar Rosen Rudy gay was hot during the Reagan during most of the season, but issue of late three of their last five games struggled a bit. Gotta get him back shooting the ball. Well, Rudy gay steps forward with Aldridge into Rosen. I San Antonio shot the pull an upset and beat the Denver Nuggets auto San antone. Jio number to San Antonio to as your number who shot for lower c- to win. I'm gonna go Utah over Houston as my number two. You know, you look at the regular season. They split the four meetings there, but the problem for Houston is that Utah defense. So well, this is a match up where I would like to see Houston have more guys that have had big moments in big games than just James harden because I think you tell will make it difficult for him. I don't see him scoring forty points. I I think they're going to have to find success in bunches. Now, you tell we'll get out and guard the three when Houston wants to hit a lot of threes as we well know that Utah has not had Derrick favors though for the last five games. He's dealing with back spasms. But I I think this kind of comes down to Houston's supporting cast because if Houston forces them into tough shots. And obviously Rudy Gobert inside is going to be a problem for Houston inside. I think this comes down to six or seven game series. I give Utah a shot. So I'll put that as my number two shot for a lower seed to win the opening series. I couldn't imagine Houston being out in the first round. And I'm not necessarily saying it'll happen to put that up to. Donovan Mitchell struggle to put the ball in the basket three of the four games against the rockets that holds true, Dr they got no show. You're not gonna win a game. Yeah. I just can't see use. I'm not in love with Houston. But I can't see them. And you put them to three. I'm surprised you put them that high. I can't find a third. It got down to Indiana. That'd be a five over four. Boston Brooklyn six over three Philadelphia with the MVP injury may be given Brooklyn shot. I don't see it who's Indiana's best player. Dr. He's not playing not fly. That's the problem. I have with the fact that they are here. I think speaks volumes about their here. But can they win a series against Boston? Victor Ola depot done for the season injured in late January. Yeah. I wanna say Indiana. But I just don't feel it. I wanna say Brooklyn. But I'm not feeling that over Philadelphia. I can't give you third. I'm not going Utah. Saw you ties up late to watch that Utah clipper game the other night. I don't see that. I'm not going to put them in. If you had to say, I had to pick a third, Indiana, Brooklyn. Well, maybe because like say, Indiana, they got here. I just can't see without. But with Deepa alco, Indiana, Boston Brooklyn for the third spot, Indiana, Boston or you're saying, oh, Indiana. Brooklyn got you for the third Boston Brooklyn. I don't see it either. But I'd say Indiana Brooklyn, Indiana over Brooklyn slightly for that spot. I'm gonna go with number three, and I will commit to one and it'll be Indiana. But again, I'm not picking them to win necessarily. But it would not surprise me overly if they did in here, the reasons one, I don't think you said this in the last segment, it's hard to assume as we're doing our hotline story and Mel ESPN radio that Boston can just flip a switch have chemistry. Not be factor. Have Kyrie irvings uncertainty. Not be a factor in this is the only way the warriors could get stunned is if what. It's going to happen with clay. What are they gonna do with Draymond? What's going to happen with Durant? Right. These things I don't think that they should just be swept under the rug. That's that was the playoffs. They're not gonna matter. The other thing is this Indiana's a very close cohesive unit that defends their butts off on every single possessed. We just watch Virginia and Texas Tech. That's the kind of pride that Indiana at the NBA level takes in its defense. And no, Marcus smart for Boston. I just I'm not saying they're going to win Mel, but I don't I give it a lot better shot than you. Do. I think I don't know Boston one by twenty points at Indiana earlier this month, they also won the last three meetings between these two teams Dada. That's eighteen points a game for the season when he met earlier this month at four points on one of eight shooting Dr output in the end in there. But I don't like them fair enough next up senior bowl director, Jim Nagy, his take on the draft owner look kind of surprises. He might see. And this. He think that the first pick in the. Draft is a homerun can't miss without a doubt Kyla Murray to the Arizona Cardinals. We will go all of those places and more with him. Jim Nagy senior bowl director and ESPN insider straight ahead Dorian male ESPN radio ESPN app. How they're Julie Foudy here. He is. He was silly enough to give me the green light on a podcast, and it's called laughter. Permitted Retallack to these awesome. 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And Mel ESPN radio ESPN app will get there and just a bit as we remind you. We are always presented by progressive insurance in August. Join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Of course, the NFL draft is what twelve days away first round on Thursday to Thursdays from now, of course, Nashville hosting the draft of the very first time read about this time, we'll be getting ready for the final four rounds of the NBA draft or get it on television. Of course, Mel will be part of that coverage would get on ESPN radio. I will be part of that coverage. So you, and I are both being a music city as we welcome in a guy who is closely watching what might happen, and what will happen in the NFL draft. Also, the executive director of the. Senior bowl Jim Nagy. Joining us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Jim it's good to have you with us. I know the senior bowl position was a new position for you. What what's your Altima takeaway from from being able to run this particular showcase? Well, good morning. Dr in mala free set. You have me on. Yeah. It was it was very different after being in the NFL scouting for eighteen years to be on the other side of the game. You see it from that perspective. But you know, the best takeaway for me from the week was just really being around the players and their families. And you know, just seeing how that whole thing came together over the course of the fall and the buying that we got from the players. I think that you know, for some years there there was there was you know, kind of thought that if you if maybe you go to an all star game, you weren't a first or second round player. And you know, this this group of guys this year. There was only six six players declined are invited in you know, in mel's rita's latest mock you had ten of our senior bowl players in his mock. And and Mel Ed ten and taught at nine so just the volume for the players, and you know, them coming down and showing how competitive the competitive nature, they had she ended the quarterbacks that we're in mobile with you. And you got to know these guys. Okay. Well, and they came out of the senior bowl with Daniel Jones to you got the MVP for the game. And you think about Jarret stidham Auburn, and I know Todd if I'd ask Todd mcshay right now, I don't like to speak for him. But I think he would he said Daniel Jones may be one of his more overrated players stood them. Louis Riddick thinks is going to have a great NFL career. We're what's your take gym on stood them and Daniel Jones? Yeah. I think I mean, I'm higher on on Daniel than Todd V. If that's just feeling, you know, I think that you no one else may about Daniel. I went back and watched a lot of tape on him. You know, got the Noam last summer a little bit the camp, and I'll give him credit for this guys is that you know, the only one juniors can play in the senior bowl if they have their diplomas by December. And when I talked to Daniel last summer, he was not on track for that. And I just told him I said Daniel, I'm not trying to influence your decision in any way to come out early. But if you decide to do that go back and tell you is going to be one class short. I said, you know, addict class, and then if you do to make that decision you'll. You know, you have the option of playing in the senior bowl. So that was my first, you know, interacted with him last summer. So I I, you know, gotten to know the kid, and when you put on the tape if you just break it down, he's big he's athletic. You know, here's a good arm. Not a great arm, but he does have mobility. He's accurate. And when you watch him he's a guy that makes everyone around him better. A lot of other couple of players in this class that have a lot of great players around them, you know, in no knock Duke, but then not playing with a bunch of guys that are going to the next level. So he he has to make a lot of what I call NFL rose. He's gotta make a lot of plays under duress. He's gotta make a lot of throws into tight windows in in a lotta times the college level when you see big programs where they have a lead five star guys. They don't have to make those throws. So Daniel gets hit a lot. He gets knocked around. He's just based off tape is the toughest quarterback in this class. I know that you know, a lot of these schools think they have tough quarterbacks. But you see it on tape. With daniel. So I think, you know, your points of the cut with background and the tutelage there, and you know, the the Manning's and there's just a lot there. I I've sent watch tape with this kid. He's extremely smart. So there's a lot of positives. Now, I think that when you talk about all the four quarterback that are being talked about in the first round Daniel and drew lock for Missouri and Wayne Haskins from Ohio State and Tyler Murray from Oklahoma. I don't know of any of those guys you wanna force onto the field year one. I really don't, you know, just going back to my experience in the league, the guys doubted that you would say are slam dunk. First year starters, the Andrew lucked the Roth Asperger's Philip rivers. I wouldn't put any of those any of these guys in that class. Dorian Mel ESPN radio chatting with Jim Nagy who is an ESPN draft insider also Zecca director of the research senior bowl, Jim if you spent eighteen years in the NFL as a scout. Let's let's put yourself as a front office guy for the Zona cardinals. All of us think they're going to take you seem Cuyler. I know you've also seen Josh Rosen. And now you've got a head coach who runs something that is more suited for Cuyler than Rosen. How much of a debate internally? Would you have if this was your decision to make in Arizona about do you? Or don't you take Murray at number one? I think what you have to focus on up your your new head coach quip Kingsford for success. And obviously what we thought transpire last year there Arizona with with just, you know, the one year, you know, the one year and gone for their further head coach, Steve will you don't wanna go through that again. And you wanna step this coach up for success? Because if you if this guy doesn't have success, the whole thing's probably going to get turned over. So I think you this is one rare case where you really do concede to to new young head coach, he's never done it. And if the guy that he thinks can operate in his offense the best I feel like as a as a front office person you have to give him that. Jim we always do this. We get into listing overrated. Underrated sleepers always did in my draft report all those years, and everybody's got their opinions based on grades. And we're the mock draft have guys go in Jim you seen all these guys. And you know, where they're graded. And where they're projected in the mocks is there can single out one overrated. Underrated and give me your top sleeper in this draft. Okay. Yeah. No. That's that's the that's the tough one. I hate going into the overrated part of it. But 'cause I don't like, you know, speaking badly about players, but I will say this was a different perspective for me this year. So looked in a lot of juniors that were eligible for the senior bowl this year. We had twelve of them in the game that were graduates, but when I took this. Yes, I had to go back and circle the wagons on a bunch of these juniors that I hadn't seen before. Usually as a scout. You're way ahead of it. You know, you're the first person putting is on him. So going back to some of these juniors. The narrative is already set on some of these guys, and it really made me, you know, one guy that stood out. For me that I was like, wow. I can't believe he's being talked about that high Nick posted from Ohio State ready to call some friends. Yeah, I had to call some friends in the league. And check myself like am I stand this right now? Don't get me wrong. He's a good football player. But he talked about in the top five top ten those guys. Typically, you put on the tape and they jump out at you. And that just didn't happen for me with Nick Bosa. I don't see a real twitchy athlete. I see a good technician. I see a strong player. We're going all the way back. And I know you spend a lot of time on him to. Mel was Chris long the difference between Nick votes tape. And Chris longs tape is significant in my opinion. When I didn't Chris long coming out of her Jinya, he played like his hair was on fire. I thought he was a much twits your athlete, and Chris how to nice career really good career, but not like a hall of fame career. You know, he's gonna Phobos and done a lot of good things. But you know, just going back to that experience. That's what scouts always trying to do is. You know that use the player comp thing. And I just I think Nick poses have good football player. Don't get me wrong. He's going to be a solid starter. In the league. I just didn't see a difference maker. And when you pick in the top five you want difference maker attempt, very underrated and sleeper. Yeah. Underrated. I would say. Yeah. Colin Saunders from western Illinois is the guy defensive tackle that we have down here at the senior bowl, really disruptive. He's not being talked about in the first round conversation. I think that he's better than some guys that are had a really nice leak down here at the senior bowl dominant. SDS player, you know, and then underrated. That's a good one. You know, you look at this class. I'd say maybe Erik McCoy center from Texas A and M gear bradberry is a is a really good player for North Carolina State. I think they're pretty close Garrett should be getting a lot of love and justly. So he's really good football player. But I think Eric McCoy's a little different little bigger stronger. They don't have the same game. They play the same position. But they don't have the same game though. I'll go there McCoy. That's great stuff. Jim. It's good to have you on the show, man. Good luck over the next couple of weeks getting ready for this draft. We've thanks for having me on. All right. Jimmy, join us during the college football season. At least once a month to give his perspective on college football, where the players are ninety great that Jim is a part of the Dr in bell show moving forward. Good. All right, man. Awesome. Well done you clearly know the right guy. I mean Mel pulls all the strings here. So that's well done by you. I know Jim back. He's got it. There you go, man. I love it. I love it. Great stuff. Good segment. That was a lot of fun. We're going to go to Augusta next Mel Tiger Woods won back. But he's behind a slew of previous major winners. What to expect how we got here and Maury Smith will join us from Gusta in moments as I remind you to make sure you get triple extra protection for optimal engine performance was Shelby. Power nitro plus premium gasoline Marty. Smith at Augusta straight ahead Dory. Mill ESPN radio ESPN app. Dude. Your nose is bleeding. Yeah. I think I might still be believing. What happened? I thought I had good seats to the game that was stuck in the four hundred that was three days ago. They were super high up. I felt like I was something. Everest look next time just go to vivid seats, tickets are one hundred percent authentic, and you can even see where your seat is before you buy. It can't believe I'm going to say this your genius. Will you welcome? I kind of am we're on the ten minutes. Maybe we should get that Kleenex out of your nose. Day. Three of the masters is underway. Although the leaders don't t- off till after two o'clock after three o'clock eastern time by the or almost three o'clock. I should say eastern time MAURICE Smith is in Augusta. Gonna join us in just a moment. The story, of course, Mel is. Tiger Woods who was one shot back. Andy north ESPN analyst watched his round closely yesterday where shot a sixty eight withstood where near injury from a security guard. Whispered a weather delay in recaps. How tiger got here? We put the ball fairway a bunch of times playing from the fairway here into the par force change them dramatically. Obviously he wasn't in the fairway fourteen. He pulled off miraculously to pull that one off. But all in all this is really a fun day to watch really almost a little weird tiger made a bunch of long amid range putts. But then missed a bunch of short ones. What did you think was the biggest difference when we had the delay changing? The course as you said that that certainly affects the speed he handled it, well, if you understood as well, but there were differences. You got a nice run. We talked earlier today that he hasn't been able to finish off rounds over the last year. He's been in great position to shoot sixty six or sixty seven or sixty eight and he may be turns them into sixty nine or seventy today. You saw on the second nine go out there and make a bunch of birdies and finish the round off the lowest point he was at any point time during the day. That's right. Tiger sitting one shot back. Is we go to Marty Smith who is joining us from Agusta mardi. It's good to have you with us. What's the level of anticipation? For two oh, five eastern time when tiger tees off one shot back. Fever pitch. Everyone's just so excited and thrilled and captivated by what he's doing. And I'm sure you guys just the story ad nauseam. We all know that the renaissance and the resurgence in the come back. It's just miraculous. And you know, he told me last year that he there were whole lot of days when he figured he would never plush. So for him to come back after this Baxter Jorie, it'd be good. And you can see it in his eyes. I mean, there's the old gate. There's the old wall. There's the old steely glare, and he knows he has a great opportunity here. Now the field is just stacked. I mean, the top of the leaderboard I was just speaking with some guys in the media room. And it's just so fun to watch the best of the best be great. And tiger certainly is the story you guys at the top. And tiger is one back as you stayed. And I cannot wait for him to get started Dory. It was funny, man. We were standing at eighteen a couple of days ago as he was making his way up the fairway, and the the thrones of people, it was fouled funds and thousands of people. And when that man has a birdie putt opportunity the way the airfields is. Is truly a fever pitch. You're just waiting on a moment to X erupt in in tears, and it's fun. I love to see the smile on his face yesterday as he was exiting the eighteen because it was this odd. It was it was a smile validation. Like, hell, yeah. I'm here. Mardi. Nobody moves the needle like tiger. He can take a non San and make him be riveted that a TV today and tomorrow tiger at fourteen majors trying to catch. Jack Nicklaus eighteen bottom line is when tiger was a ten mardi. If he was a ten one the 10-zero to ten he was a ten at his best. Whereas he right now. I would love to hear, you know, Indiana work with Curtis Strange, and it's this they certainly have a way better for Robert or but the the best players in the world are leading the masters right now, and he is playing at their level. So it little man by all intensive purposes key could be leading this thing. He's left several shots out there. I was standing at seventeen on Thursday when he had an opportunity birdie didn't get it done. And why kinda followed him down the fairway on eighteen and the look of utter disgust in his eyes. He was ticked off at himself for leaving that shot out there. So we're not the utterly dominant force that he was but he's elite force again. And again, everything's contextual meal in the context of everything that he's experienced. The fact that he couldn't get out of bed. The fact that he couldn't lay on the carpet and play Legos with his son. The fact that he couldn't go out back in the backyard and kick a soccer ball around with his daughter because the pain was so awful that he's able to form the shots. And that's another thing. He's had a completely learnt relearn golf to a degree. It's not when you had your back us it's different than jumping on a bike again yesterday. Learn how to shape shots again because your body doesn't comport. And twist the way that it used to. So if it's remarkable man MAURICE, Richard joining us from Gusta Marty you're there, you're not home here in Charlotte where I am and the weather is just garbage. How's the forecast looking there is that going to be a factor today and tomorrow, I actually just talked to Laney my wife told me that she was trying to drive somewhere, and it is a complete torrential downpour. So. She did inform me that story. But. I don't know, man. Yes. I'm meteorologist third my strong suit. I was still go with wingo yesterday and the forecast look like it was going to be intermittent showers. And I use that word I felt really proud of myself for having some meteor meteorology report. And it was a gorgeous day all day long until about five o'clock or so they actually had to suspend play for about thirty minutes because a storm came through. I'm sure it'll be okay. You know, what I'm gonna do say. Yeah, we should have been intermittent showers that way it's going to be just fine. I can guarantee you guys I have a I have a future in meteorology. Because what I said yesterday is basically what happens I often read my weather reports, and I prepare for said weather, and it's the antithesis of that, you know, what I'm prepared or I'm not going to bash meteorologist too much. I have a lot of friends that are from my time and local television. So I will be appreciative of them. I'm bashing them at all I couldn't do their job. I don't I would never pretend you probably could actually. But that's that's that would be bashing than than so. Last question about last questions because Tigers got the be able to love them. I always have Dr he's not. But he's coming around does a like because he was down and out like you just documented to us. And we all know about tiger. The seem like ninety nine percent of the people are now rooting for tiger heard. All right. It's it's every single person here every body that has the blessing of being a patron that we have seen is losing their minds for him. America loves a comeback story. The way that we operate generally as a society is we like to see people reach a certain level of acclaim. Then we really liked the same phone then we love to see him come back. And if this is a comeback story for the ages, and he's fun to see him this happy. I'll tell you. It was crazy. I was sitting there watching fourteen yesterday in the media room right beside Tigers personal publicist win that security guard came screaming through there and slid into second base like Ricky Henderson and just about took out like. Guys that could have been distorted tell my gosh. Could you imagine being the security the way I cannot imagine? Thank thank the good Lord that everything was fine. But that was a moment. I mean, it was a shocking moment. And fortunately, everything, of course, he birdied that hold anybody fifteen. Yeah. And wound up fine. But that was crazy gosh mardi hosting by the way, four please. I ever masters podcast Marty. Great stuff, buddy. Thanks for making time for us. We do appreciate it. Appreciate y'all have. And it'd be where like smarting. All right. It has Marty. Smith ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance quote by and save on home insurance with progressive. New homequote explorer only at progressive dot com. Georgia pass rusher off to the NFL d Andre Walker gonna join us. And Mel wait till I tell you the latest thing the American alliance of American football's doing I just saw this, and it's gross CSPAN radio. And now I fought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled you won't believe what these child stars look like now. Now be dissatisfied and kinda sad about how the child stars look. And now your computer is plagued by incessant pop up ads on this can't be to add insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen. 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'Boys and Girl - Dak's Pandemic Party Pushback; Cowboys Pre-Draft Signals; More Draft Prospect Interviews!

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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'Boys and Girl - Dak's Pandemic Party Pushback; Cowboys Pre-Draft Signals; More Draft Prospect Interviews!

"Hi there. I'm Zach. BRAFF DONALD FACE ON. We're real life best friends. We met playing fake life. Best Friends, Turk and J D on the Sitcom scrubs. Twenty years later. We've decided to Rewatch the series one episode of the time and put our memories into a podcast. You can listen to it home. We're going to get all our special guests. Friends like Sarah Chalk John C McGinley Neil Flynn Judy Reyes show Creator Bill Lawrence Editors Writers and even prompt masters would tell us about what inspired the series, and how we became a family, you can listen to the podcast. Fake doctors, real friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts and wherever you get your podcast. Hi this is patronage and I have a podcast called playing around I used to play professional golf. Now you see me blunting Mike Lee bid on the instagram. We talk about golf. We talk about light. You never really know where we're GONNA go with this which makes it exciting also Vit- terrifying 'cause I'm just telling all of my deepest darkest secrets because I have no filter, listen to playing around on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts or every. Get Your podcast. Hello, boys and girls welcome in to the boys and girl podcast with cowboys, NFL, network, reporter, Jayne, slater and NFL network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys community with the inside scoop on the Dallas Cowboys. Now coming straight to you from the lone star state. Here's Jane and Bobby. Well hope you guys are surviving at a nother week in isolation, bobby and myself saying incredibly board as we are now hard to believe what two weeks out from the draft, just absolutely insane. That, this thing has been creeping up on us. It's really been interesting doing these mock draft interviews which we're going to bring to you in a little bit because we're sort of getting a little bit of the insight into what these teams are going through You find yourself admittedly zoning out in some interviews because it feels like a Miss American pageant. Some of these canned responses, bobby, and then there are some guys who. Later in our podcast Kenny Willa kiss the Michigan State Defensive End, I mean. This guy just jumped off the page to me. I haven't watched. This film admittedly says it hasn't jumped off in terms of film I'm GonNa Remember Kenny cast and I think you will, too after you hear a little bit from him and then at the NFL network. We did a mock draft. The other night cowboys on the Board at seven year. Did you get Joe Borough? I did not get Joe Borough but it is fascinating in keeping with the spirit of the NFL network I won't give away my pick, but we have certainly talked about him in these podcasts. He was there at seventeen and I think he'd be a nice fit for the cowboys real. Quick Bobby. Let's get you the nick. Sam's investigative journalism that took place. Earlier this week if you're not from Dallas and Samson's a statehouse at a lot of cowboys frequent. As somebody on twitter told me my bourgeoisie was showing joked. Win As in it. That is jinx. Cowboys insider. She doubles Nickel Sam's insiders well one hundred. That's a that's a big niche for her. That's where I did my Dez Bryant sit down four hours after he was cut from the team but TMZ. Had reported that the police department. There in I believe it's prosper were debt prescott is living. Had come to his house about calls of thirty people there for a party during the pandemic now look. That has already been on our radar in this podcast. We talked about throwing a Dez in the controversy that created. But here he is once again in the news which I have got imagined gives the cowboys all sorts of headaches because he's been the guy that hasn't given them any headaches over the years end. The police showed up as it turns out. The police left after not being able to confirm that there were more than ten there. I've talked to some people that are familiar with situation. I was told there were absolutely not more than ten people and. I just waited because I saw the picture, and if you've been to nick and sans. The smoking gun that tmz was using to prove that there were all these wine glasses around the table. In in this setup that reads Natalie glow sticks on the table suggests there had been a party a Dak Prescott House. Bobby I've been dicken. Sam's as I said multiple time. Exactly the artwork is very distinctive in there, and there's also this champs locker the champagne locker that is this cooler behind this large table and then boost to the left. Does Not Dak Prescott House. And then when I reached out to my sources at naked stands as it were sure enough, they've done what a lot of us are doing. They shot assume video earlier in the day. And showed what a party would look like. When the pandemic was over, that was then I. Guess a picture of that zoom video made its way to TMZ so via. We take away from this really is dot gets better friends. I was told that not only did they not order a ton of food, but Samir the the head chef. They're always throws in a ton of extra food through an extra food and Dak even did another solid. He provided extra money to their cause, which is now currently a feeding medical providers. So maybe if we had just killed the layers back a little bit, we would've seen that. Maybe it wasn't as bad as it looked still. That my man trying to get paid to be to be fair. We don't know that DOC is not such a fan of Nick and Sam's that he designed his dining room as an exact replica. The question I didn't ask. I can always be better journalists, but I can tell you this much. I've never been in deck Prescott Thome, but I can tell you that that is in fact, Nick and San unless he completely replicated it which I find very hard to I can I would almost guarantee. There's not there weren't ten more than ten people there because you didn't get the. Invite I feel like if there was a thirty person party there that Jane Slater would have been there with a firsthand report. I get quite frankly I was I was a little upset about it, but you know I talked about I've taken this quarantine seriously I haven't seen a soul. No. The zoom rooms and me and you sitting here, talking like this. That's that's kind of been your most face to face interaction. We've had a lot of face to face interaction. Bobby so I've appreciated US spending all this extra time with you interviewing these draft prospects. So wanted to put that went to bed and I'm not giving my opinion I said many of it. on just telling you. I! Don't know whether he had a party or not. Those details as it relates to me sort of doing some fact checking and There you have it. pre-draft whispers. Hearing at the Water Cooler, and and as we lead up to that seventeenth pick bobby show, this is the this is a weird year and we were talking about this before we started taping that. Usually you do get a better sense like I. Mean I know. You were all over late. Vander ashes, going to be the pick and twenty eighteen and you're Oliver. Tristan hills, going to be the pick and twenty nineteen people said WHO and I don't think. Think that the cowboys haven't probably I'm trying to. Cowboys probably have zeroed in on somebody in a similar fashion like they did with Layton and Tristan I just don't know that the way everything is set up this year and and the way that we're not really getting the thirty visit, so we can't see that narrowed thirty list of guys that they interviewed We can't kind of sort through that, which has always been a reliable measuring stick. And, so, because you can talk to just about anybody, we see them interviewing top one hundred running backs, or like a first on running back that we know they're not taking and so it's A. It's a little bit more of a guessing game. Now there is one advantage, and that is even though the cowboys were not able to conduct any of their thirty national visits, they did get some scheduled, and so the the closest thing we can find as who has. Gotten that who who got that scheduled? Who one of the ones who potentially got one of those first few thirty visit scheduled and as much as cowboys fans seem to be panicking about it. On Social Media the the interesting Kenneth Murray. We know Kenneth Murray the Linebacker Oklahoma had one and I think a lot of people have been saying. Maybe that was just an outlier. Maybe they were thinking. Maybe he's trade back guy and that's just a specific player well. I was talking to somebody this week. I can confirm that they actually also added to their thirty visit Liz. Patrick Queen the Linebacker at Lsu and Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray are the only two linebackers would get picked. Like those are the only two linebackers who would potentially be in the in the teens to twenty range, and so the fact that the cowboys used to of they're very precious. Thirty visits on them tells me that they're very serious about potentially adding the linebacker with their first pick. And what are the implications of that? Does that mean? Is that an indication of? They're going to be using more linebackers Mike? Nolan's played a lot of three four Mike McCarthy's defenses that the new linebacker coach. They hired Scott Mc. Early Scott only coached linebackers in three four system before. So so maybe that's a signal that they're going to be using more linebackers. Maybe it's a a signal that you know. They're not happy with the depth that we saw last year when late Vandross went down and Jalen Smith, struggling they struggle, and they need to flesh that out. Maybe that's what they felt was what was really falling apart for the defense but whatever it is, they definitely are interested in linebacker at seventeen. Seventeen and so as much as I. That would stunned people and then send some people into a panic I think people need to prepare for that possibility where people were stunned in in a panic when they picked late and vander rush at linebacker remember two years ago. They didn't. They couldn't understand any ended up being Sean Lee two point before he got himself injured a couple. Points I want to bring on that front. You and I've been receiving some conflicting information about late. Vandross are reached out to someone close to the situation. I was told the injuries, not a concern There's been some speculation about that. The last time I reported on late Vander as she was working out in Idaho where he has been during this pandemic. With his lovely wife, Mattie, I've been told it's more to the point of what you're talking about. Bobby. This is going to be more. A three four linebacker set in that we could see Jalen. Smith potentially rushing more, so maybe they need more linebackers. Maybe they want they certainly had they certainly struggled a little bit in that area last year to your point win, which went down? which is unfortunate because when Sean Lee was going down. We would see these teams lose more games than they were winning late. Missiles in for Sean Lee his rookie year in. Good about things, and then you felt good. The fact that Sean Lee came back. On the team friendly deal. He's done it again for you this year. Because I'm telling you right now I've had teams asking me about Sean a where the cowboys are on him, because there was an interest from other teams in an unlike some of these other players. He didn't choose to go to Las Vegas. He didn't choose to go. To the REDSKINS team in the past independent interest in him, instead he wants against for dolls, which I think is a good thing. I think it's a good thing and I think that everybody should be encouraged by how. Much he seemed to be able to maintain his health throughout all of last year, which is always a concern with him. He was pretty healthy throughout the whole year, and he played his best football and I will always go back to. You and I know I. I think the biggest issue that happened last year as people still trying to sort through what happened with that eighteen. I firmly believe the problem with that team. Last year was they lacked any sort of real leadership on defense, and that was partly because Sean Lee, taking a reserve role felt like it's not my place to be that guy anymore. Somebody else needs to. It wasn't a petty thing. It was like I. I shouldn't be the one being this guy as I'm not one of the main contributors, but I will always remember after the rams game when John Lee had a great game Jordan Lewis was standing up at his locker and they asked him how he felt about. However, you know. How good did it feel to see Sean? Sean Lee play the way did and he said you know well. That's our captain well. He wasn't wearing the captain's patch, but that tells you how that locker room actually feels, and and and so that I think it was. There was a thirst for his leadership, and I think the team really really struggled with him having to take that back seat leadership role into hopefully next season, some other guys step up or with Sean Lee potentially getting more work that he can kind of resume that role, a little bit and I. Think you know bring some stability to the a lot of those young players on defense. You and I have tried to Mir some of these virtual shots in the way that perhaps some of these teams would now like. I said we're not coaches. I'll never pretend to be a coach. I understand better than a coach. I would never what I'm good at is getting information and. You and I have gathered some of the questions that. are asked to some of these players, and so I think what's been interesting about this podcast is you're sort of seeing how these guys adjust end end? Respond on the fly. What was one of the questions that really stood out for you? The teams typically ask these players and whites important well I mean one of them you can see to. It's really been great I saw Jim Nagy from the senior bowl praising Macau Macau boys on twitter on Thursday for kind of pulling back the curtain and letting fans get a glimpse of like the evaluation process because everybody thinks they're twitter scout now and that they can do the job of NFL Scott and so it really is a good opportunity to look and see like look. This is so much more about you know evaluating them as people and their psyche, and you're almost pay you know playing psychologist. As much as you are talent evaluator, and it's about for scouts, as well cultivating sources and getting teams to be up front with them and frank with them about you know what they're player did at college, and and it really is A. You can't just sit your laptop and and be a scout. You know it's a much more involved job in that, so it's. It's been helpful for people to see the cowboys what they do when they interview prospects and one of the questions that I'm glad to start asking these guys about because I saw this as a favorite question of Mike McCarthy in these interviews, which is Mike McCarthy has asked in several of these videos. What is the most important thing that you want us to come away with about? You and I think that's the thing. Is that from talking to people inside the League and figuring out? What kind of questions do you generally ask? These prospects I it's. It doesn't sound like a bunch of complex stuff where you know we're. We're giving sat. Question and we need you. There generally are giving them more straight for questions where they feel like these players can take it in a an honest direction is not leading the witness at all just letting them explore the space with their answer, and and you know flesh it out a little bit, and so I I do think that's interesting how everybody responds differently to these things. You know it's so interesting. You say that I've been doing these These pop-up journalism classes with journalists and bringing in a lot of my colleagues in my free time in one that really stood out from US Kelly Hartong who I worked with at Longhorn network. She was ESPN. CNN now. She's at ABC News, and I asked her why she got journalism and. It's so funny. I had a journalism professor. Once John Watts or not a professor, but instructor at Espn you had all the reporters. That you see on TV. Have for the most part gone through the art of the interview. John so ocoee, and his favorite questions were the simple wants the who what when where why and how the basics of the basis of journalism not loading the questions to your point. Were you sort of dictate what the answer is? GonNa be and when I asked her why she got a journalism. About, her father traveled the country as an airman and put on these air shows, and he died in front of a crowd of thirty thousand people and at ten in the background is a news report. We call it a video and in our business, so it's an anchor. Talking video wasn't an interview with a lot of people, but she said even at ten. Her little brain hadn't fully understood at all. All, but what stood out to her was there wasn't a lot of context about who were dad was why he was important. What made him do the air shows and that's why she sees it as such a privilege to be a reporter. When you understand the why about somebody and you see them doing things whether it be on the football field as journalist. The wide tells you so much about. How seriously take the job? How much care and thought that? They give to it so the? Do you have football is a question. You'll hear some of our interviews with our players, and I've been impressed the answers quite frankly. Bobby and I know I remember. That was a criticism. I saw on twitter and again. I think this is an important distinction. Because I don't I don't think scouts get enough credit for how difficult their job is I. think There's a little bit a you probably experienced this as. As a reporter, there is a little bit of a sense on social media of I could do that and everybody thinks they could do your job, or whatever and I think. Scouts deal with that a lot in the age of social media where everybody thinks they're a scout now and and one of the things that I remember seeing on twitter a couple years ago. That somebody was kind of mocking was Oh. Oh they probably don't think this guy loves football enough because he likes something else, and that's going to. You know that'll somehow make him a bad player. Well, you know what you get when you don't love football. You get David Irving. That's what you get when you don't love football and acting more than he loved football. Admittedly, yes, no, we're not putting words and David Mouth. This is something he told us. US even studied in watch a lot of football player growing up David. Irving has said that football was a means to an end that there wasn't a a love of football now there's a little bit of a revision in that and we can talk about how David Ervine is probably the biggest fraud ever run into in in football history, but you know I think I've said enough of that Point, look at a guy like does Brian again. The unofficial Dez Bryant Fan Club over here is why right now for putting out the videos and coming back when I've literally had an agent, tell me quit. Hyping does Brian. He's never gonNA. Play another game in his life. Dez Why is where he came from. Does is why is he feels a calling to football does is why is he wants to be unpacked a locker room? If I know the why about what's motivating does it's not money for days? I. Don't know what it does is bank account? But what I talked to his wife has never been I need to make money, or the bank accounts running low. The is the love for football and all you have to do is follow him on twitter. The Guy can't stay away from talking about football whether it be a college game and NFL game. He's become a quasi twitter. Analysts distorts, or I mean just even when we talked to him back in February. He had this to say when he was talking about why he wants to continue his career. You know my daughter asks me. That he's GonNa play football again. That was one. That's what really click you know like you know what I'm GonNa play I'm GonNa. Play ball all right so without further ado are jammed packed as we have been for the last two weeks. Bobby credit to you for getting a lot of these setup first up. Let's look at a possible Travis, Frederick replacement in sees a release. Joining us now is. In Center, Cesar Ruiz you can follow him on twitter at underscore overseas. C E S I like that that's clever as Caesar. How you doing doing good great now it's I. Love that you know we've talked all these guys and we keep hearing these crazy stories about how they're all training. During the you know these coves restrictions, and how things have gotten so different for them, and some of them are getting really creative with the stuff, and I'm curious a house thing how things changed for you during the Free Jaffa process once all these restrictions game into place and. I know you're actually near one of the hot spots. There are New Jersey right now, and so to just I guess, talk a little bit about how things are in your community, but also how you know you things have changed for you in the pre-draft process. Around here, things like really really quiet the wykeham outside. The only guy outside when a when it's down to workout the majority of their by distant side. Why would we will come out? but this whole project Russia's has changed. Dramatically. Taste were I really thought I was going to be no on planes every week. live not on my suitcase. I thought it was only wasn't. Now Been Sitting New Jersey for about a month now, so I definitely different from what I thought, but I'm getting most out of it. I'm able to stay in shape. Spend a lot more time. My family not gonNA work. What stands out the most Caesar about this virtual chat process. We've talked to some guys, say they. They get a Lotta on being in the room. You can read their personalities and store a feed off of that. How do that in a virtual chat setting? On. It definitely is low different in me. It's my impression, but then a Induna zone close, but I think a big they give off the same. You know same information as you Kinda need a you can tell on. Somebody is a from talking to him on the phone or through video chat so for me, it is different, haven't base base interaction. Give off a better by or to get a better sense of house us, so that's. the video chat facing. Now, love, then tweet on twitter profile. I'm looking at it right now. From two thousand seventeen says I want to be the best center to ever play the game of football. So would you say that you're pretty heavily like gold oriented in what you do with football that you you know your guy who likes to set markers and milestones and really kind of pursue that. Yes, that was the. First campus. an estimate at tweet on newest a strict from there so young really. Goal oriented in a system I live. What do you get out of having a head coach John Harbaugh. I mean coach Harbaugh is really. A. Great personalities there's so many like different vibes you give them coach Harbaugh in a different situation you got the intense version when it comes to the Games. You got the fund the raiser Nichols while you know we're going out. There gone different trips. mean especially when he has so much pro experience. You know so many people and he's able to teach you a whole different thing so if we haven't Have you ever seen him where anything other than Brown Khakis. Never, not I never seen him wear anything other than Brown. He always has those those Tan Khakis with the tucked in Paulo. That's you know that's that's kind of his style. Now I know at Michigan you. As a freshman, you did play guard. We talked about how you wanted to be the best center, but you did play some guard. HAVE NFL teams. Talk to you at all about the idea of you know maybe they WanNa see you play guard at the next level. Everybody pretty much focused on playing center. Now for really right now. I'm just all around here for. A lot of people, some people look me as a peer senator laughing. We're looking at me as he knows any across Interior and that's what the versatility. Not have experienced at every. Latino one. Our Center. So that's really been A. We are a cowboy centric. Show here ends. The cowboys do have a need at center with the retirement of Travis. Frederick had talked the cowboys at all. have. Covered for. In what capacity of virtual chat combine what have been some of your touch points within? A virtual I wasn't. It was doing the comodity deserting so busy, but also reduce virtually. What stood out about a virtual chat with the cowboys who was in the room. What sort of the feeling the mood of that conversation yet? It wasn't It wasn't really anybody in the room service at home. So's that office line coach in? We were just going things on the board. He had a whiteboard rooms. Teaching me things now. Teaching things back to come on board in A. You. Know were looking at different to get to know me in. Decide Travis Frederick. One of the smarter guys on that offensive line. Is it intimidating at all that if the cowboys give me a call at seventeen or or later rounds God forbid. that. You would find yourself a little bit. overwhelmed with replacing a guy like him at all. And how much do you watch travis? Frederick! On our own bill, Rona wouldn't be nervous anything like that You. Know what my name is. Go wherever I go. I. Mark, you know I got an animal business of course Urfi whatever means don't be big shoes so but. He knows my job to fill them shoes even bigger when I. Get this, so I mean I'll watch I watch a lot of. Guys, NFL and that you know basically I. I get my game for different. GUYS NFL. As we why do I to study a lot in only constantly myself from my money because. I I no way a popular question with NFL front offices and scouting department's and things like that during the pre-draft process is always. Something along the lines of. Why do you love football? You know what is it? Why do you love football? Why do you want the NFL's? I'm sure you've gotten the chance to answer this question a few times. But what is your answer? Why is it that you love football? Is this what you wanted to pursue? Mail! When you play the game of football, you know a lot of went. In love being out there. On a willingness from people you just fill the superior against everybody else you know is really no better feeling than line of across the GIS. Is let them know like run this. You know what I'm saying so. A F Wagner for football a whole lot of joy When was that singular moment where you said I? WanNa be a football player. Ought. To out I my first day of every plan football from. Up I was like Yeah I. Nothing Players Lonesome unbelievable. Now I know you've been pretty open the talked a lot throughout your career about losing your dad when you were eight How did that impact you? I mean of course. It's part of everything that your better. How do you think that shaped you on and off the field? A definitely on a field of the for you know, give me a motivation of. That little voice You know if he did different things like that and was definitely have motivation. Do for my family. I'm because that situation. And I mean really off. The field really saved because allow music lives. A lot differently. You a lot more You know you just see things you see things. Causing Native Reaction in Hewlett upset you actually how I see things that we'll see what we react negative to. See Light Situations discretionary. Now I know when you look at. The cowboys and and the potential that you could end up there. We did mention you're in the New Jersey area so I know that is heavy giants. Country would there be any issues in the family. If you ended up wearing a star is that is that a family of giants fans there? Long. So I mean for my family. It really doesn't matter brother, favorite team, honest belly, mound, surrounded by you know from friends in. High School coast I'm surrounded by a bunch of advance from. You know cowboys. Diet Stands Eagle Sands rest everywhere so? As it'll be. Teams besides the cowboys that you've had virtual chats so far Caesar! Who would you be mad at me for social? I can't remember. Who are the ones that stand out? Some of the top of my head. I've had I had with the cardinals. cartilages really good. The Eagles really good. The giants! Those are the ones I can say a stood out to me most in right way with there was. Out like leave, anybody out. There is like a interview like twelve to you so for all night. burswood asking Monroe right up. What's the average link? Them seventies virtual chats. About thirty minutes thirty or forty five minutes sometimes last about our, but Amazon thirty and forty five minutes. Now, we always like to close up talking guys kind of with the get to know you. Questions that are a little more. You know less football, so you ready for those. Okay call so What is on your pre game? Hype lists like what what's going to be pounded through your headphones either particular song. Particular artist is you're trying to get ready to play. Only. Related like talking get Richard Triumph Idi or like you know more recent city. Traffic all right cool cool I. Suggest for a moment pause, can we? Just I'd love to hear bobby say it's fitting. That's what it is. It's not sixty. It's fifty. It's fifty cent, no and Yeah, yeah, the the phillies great I still to this day. If I if I'm trying to get like amt upper. If I'm doing a walk around the track, I will almost always have if I can't by fifty cent playing. You're so welcome bobby on. That's what I'm here for. Now You everybody's been kind of locked down. Quarantine talked about. You've been in there for a month. What's like your best? Netflix's quarantine recommendation right now. Longer just I've been watching agrees in that a lot. Wow really. It is bad. Darker, no man I got to. Ally my see my guilty pleasure viewing and I I don't talk about this often because I get the same sort of reaction, we just gave you for grey's anatomy, which is bring it on I still to this day and watch. Bring it on about ten times in a row with DON's. Grey's anatomy here's what I'll tell you, though it's a rabbit hole, it's been on for like seventeen season, so you can just go on and on and on and on. You I wanted to take some so I. Just keep Washington hopefully when I've done this. Things over. I pick you picked to get away with. Now. Are you a guy who plays madden at all. Yes okay, let's say that you're playing madden next year. And of course you're going to be in the game. Something happens to grab your team that you ended up on. So you have to play against the digital version of yourself, and it's you last. Play inside the red zone, and there's fumble in Digital Caesar picks up the ball and his rumbling to the end zone, or you're going gonNA tackle yourself or you're GonNa let your digital self score the game winning touchdown. I'm tackling myself, really you. Got To win, you're not you're not. GonNa get many. Distribute ball for myself. I thought win the game. Now I think I know the answer to this given what you just said about grades of Grey's anatomy, but but which would you rather consume? Would you rather have to watch like a marathon of chick flicks, or would you rather like you know? Get your pre game. Hype. Song is nothing, but you know boy band pop love songs. Crate classroom. definitely not. So. It's the wrong times. The chick flick. Rom coms. Okay. That makes sense. I was. The is not now. If you had to revisit some of instincts, vintage stuff, man, it might change your mind on. I love backstreet boys. I don't I. Don't have any problem saying that I love backstreet boys like I to albums. I think I can listen to. If I can't by city, and then I can go to I'll never break your heart by the backstreet boys. Is a revealing interview even for Myself, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! I, I'm I'm dropping lots of stuff now. If you had to pick like one person to run like Kevin Durant style burner account for you that like they picked off. They pick off all your social media trolls for you. It can be somebody real or fake or dead or alive. Who are you going to pick? Semi. Burner, accounts yeah, yes, I always. I always pick Eric Cartman from South Park. That'd be who I would do that for me. definitely. Definitely a riley from on boomed out, that is acidic. Charles from lsu picked Riley. That's That's two votes for Riley now. My one of my favorite answers ever was a Ryan Switzer. When I asked him that question. He told me like it was zero hesitation. It's the fastest answer I've ever gotten from anybody. It was fellow Michigan. Alum Jordan Lewis he immediately. Yeah he's He. Said Yeah Jordan Lewis would run it for me. Yeah J.. Jd would run that now. This is something that a little more serious, but it's always a good wrap up. Oh, how do you want people to remember you? What impression do you WanNa leave with people outside of just football. Awesome. Person Really You know might helped out selfless. Remembers a great person. Off, the field nicer disturb people. Doing, good things for people and giving back, you know somebody Greg. Olsen swamp people with the. Really good person. Remember you as Smart Fun Guy This was a fun interview. We've done this I. Know You guys have done it. Over and over, you brought us a lot of energy, and we really appreciate it. Wrong thank you for having the two. Guys it's bobby bones I host the bobby bones show, and I'm pretty much always sleepy because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning, a couple of hours later I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we do a radio show. We are live. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world that we possibly can, and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care. Care about also your favorite country. Artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too. So wake up with a bunch of my friends I ninety eight point seven W M Z Q in Washington DC, or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP joining us now is Michigan State Defensive End and viral sensation Kenny. Willeke. You can follow him on twitter at Kenny. W Ninety seven Kenny how you doing. Doing good, how are you I'm great and Yeah, I guess we gotTa talk about that viral video that you shared you had that series of quotes of you know you know I got right here, actually not athletic below average athleticism for edge rusher physical tools. Don't jump off the page, and then you do. These acrobatic flips and. Insane splits and other. You know gymnast moves. I guess I what what led you to post that? What? What made you feel like? You wanted to post that and then also You got a gymnasts background or something that we don't know about. Yeah, did actually I actually Jim a little bit growing up unless it, Wednesday gymnasts gymnastics growing up. My older brother actually stuck with it. You know he's in the qualify for the Olympics at twenty twenty, so he's been doing it over through. And you know we didn't get a pro day on. also even go to combine sauce grow for that Opportunity, but I think day and. ATHLETICISM show teams. Quotes, there Thought that I see it a lot that I'm not athletic enough to play at the next level. I don't up the right I'm not at. All that stuff, so you know I just WanNa put that video out there. I think I had some unique athletic ability. Obviously, it doesn't all carry over to football, but you know The couple tricks that I learned growing up with my brothers. I four three brothers was four of us total and I was the last one learn how to backflip I even like the ten year old got back from for me, so you know I had to learn a backup to keep up with them, and not that I just showed world what I can do. And we well, I have to ask him I mean. Where where could you see yourself? Applying the splits some of those park or moves within the context of a hike. Do I could see it slide a gap with the splits. Get Small PAD level, yeah! Yeah obviously doesn't complete translate to football, but you know the ability to the edge. You know the flexibility. I have actually been folded completely in half or stuck at the bottom of Ohio where I wasn't flexible. Enough I probably would have snapped in half during the game, but just the ability to have body control, core, strength, and flexibility bending the edge, a that hand fighting at D.. Line I think that's where some of those things. Things can come into play now. Our our our buddy Ian Rappaport over at the NFL network I saw he tweeted it, and he said of all the Internet videos virtual pro days this by Michigan. State Defensive End Kenny Williams was brought to me by GM. As being the most effective, and so have you heard from any teams about your video and Has Anybody mentioned it to you in any your chats with them? FACETIME and phone calls of teams over the last couple of weeks. You know a few teams have mentioned. How liked it allow you to? Coach? Told me show to son you know a lot of teams. Just said they were surprised that I could move like that at the size. Now you're you're a guy at Michigan. State who you look, you won the boroughs worth trophy last year. As as the you know, the the nation's top walk on. You had a highly productive career. You know you you were named first team all big ten the last two years, but then you talk about there's this criticism of Oh, he doesn't have the athleticism to. Do you know things at the next level? He he's not that type of player. Do you think people are too quick to label you? As as the effort guy as the high motor guy and you know it's Nice, and then we love the work ethic, but that's just a. that's effort sacks. That's effort production. This isn't a guy who translates very well. What would you say back to that? Yeah? No I think it's pretty easy for people to do that. They will be as high effort guy. It's kind of funny when draft time comes around, and it's almost like having effort and working hard as a negative like you works hard, he's he's always working hard. He's always showing up for. Let's not draft him later, but you know I think. Just what people say, label me. I feel like as a athlete. I'm a dominant competitor, and that some you know you get coach. You can't build that in the weight room that effort. That competitor knows what my dad instilled in me growing up That's what we what they coach to us at Michigan. State you know that run into the ball that. Consistent effort and you know there's a lot of things you can measure about something you can't and I think that's something you can't coach that dominant competitor, being a dominant competitor each and every snap and you know that some think that should benefit. You. I'm hearing you. Because I've always been one of those high effort. People that I gets punished from that. Even at my career I'm telling you at some point. It's going to pay off for you. We saw it pay off for you in college. You Walk on at Michigan State. We saw you put out the video. Uh Sort of addressing your critics about your lettuce zone and your ability. You know even just play at this level in that space. Would you say it's fair described? You've got a little bit of a chip on your shoulder. Is there anyone like say Tom Brady that you look up to as another guy that people have discounted the draft? You know look at walk on stories. You See Jack Conklin. That came for me at Michigan State. Baker Mayfield Tom Brady, getting drafts and low, and obviously it doesn't matter where you get drafted. To come in I'm going to give you a thing I. got whether second rounder where our weather I'm undrafted. Now when you. When you look at this pre-draft process, it radically shifted for everybody of course win the covid nineteen restrictions kind of set in talk to us a little bit about how it change for you and what you've been doing to adapt and still get your workouts in and and things like that during this time. Yes. I was a little different we. FACETIME, a lot of video calls with teams. I mean I was fortunate. Enough Five and mentor in the area I've been back training here for the combine a you know pretty much the whole time and I've been able to still get in the gym private Jim here back here at home six days a week. I'm still working consistent I'm trying to stay busy trying to see family a lot. Definitely WANNA see Family Lot Fargo talents, making sure to spend a lot extra time with family, and no soldiers training trying to stay ready. What is that like? Because we've heard? Of course, we've seen Dez in deck working out. The Jim they're getting killed for it. We've heard from James. Morgan he and his family are in the park in the cops are getting called on him. How do you find that balance of I've gotta find ways to work out, but I understand that their social distancing on this lockdown. It does feel like the little bit of a delicate balance. Yeah most definitely Obviously, there's a lot bigger things in football and work it out right now. you stay safe. Stay in quarantine. You don't Michigan's on a very harsh right now, but you know I've been able to get it in a you know supporting to stay radio. Don't always GONNA have these next couple of weeks So you know I've just been training privately with my mentor one on one sessions trying to keep it. Low Key and still social distance, but still make sure I'm getting my working. We know that you've talked to several teams, and and I'm sure you're used to this question by now. Because it's a favorite of NFL front offices and personnel departments, and that's. Why do you love football? They always want guys who you know, a a common theme. One of the worst things you can hear from a scout is I. Don't know if he loves ball when they say that. That's you know that can be a killer for a guy, I. It's hard to come back from that from a personnel department, so I'm sure you've heard frequently. Why do you love ball? Why do you love football? Why do you want this and what's been your answer to teams for that? Yes just a you know. I've always loved football growing up on football guy. like I said we try to gymnastics, but I was way too rough and ready for that, so my parents, but we have football new I love compe- and I know I'm battling against another man the trenches every day you know we're. We're in their thrown fast thorny take. Take each other down that type of stuff. You're just in their compete in every day and I love that art the game It's a team game you know I. Love being with your teammates work in each and every day and I was probably too many reasons I love going out there playing with much. He makes competing in having some funk Lambo. I hate to come back to this, but I think what's going to be interesting about you. Kenny is the fact that you do have this thing that separate Chino it's like you're running running through all of these interviews and remember this gymnastic guy in the sky with a chip on his shoulder. I just have to know that you've got what you said. Four siblings three of them in seven siblings. Total eight of you guys. By one nine. Nine, he he was home, schooled nine in his family. So you've got eight total. Why gymnastics for half of you? Think a few of US do gymnastics up, but we're actually home school for a little bit, too. Hey! My mom wanted some. Growing up. You know I was pretty wild that a lot of energy, so my mom can have your on the house all the time, so she put us in gymnastics. We tried swimming, but you know those aren't for me I need. Somebody. Now. This is going to be one of the must memorable interviews that we done bobby. Kennedy I love the like I said the chip on the shoulder I think you're gonNA stand out the seventies. GM's just want to let you know that when they're going to the virtual chats, I think people have this tendency to sort zone out. Because all the guys I feel like it's a Miss America pageant a little bit now. That I've seen what some of these GM's. It's a lot of cancers. What I like about Kenny is I'm going to remember pretty much everything. He is dead. Yeah there you go, see you you WanNa be memorable now. That is another thing that I know teams like to know is is is they like to ask you? You know speaking of memorable like what's the impression you want us to walk away with about you like. What's the one thing that you want us to remember about you when we're done having this conversation so for you? What is that? What? What is it that you want teams to come away with when they're done talking? What do you want them to to remember about? You. Give them point that I'm a dominant competitor relentless. That's something we talked about at Michigan State every day I'm not gonNA take plays off. You're going to be something. THAT'S GONNA! Give you everything I got a each and every day. in the weight room in the film room on the field and You know it doesn't matter how much you have to keep working until I am best at what I do. WHO's the best offensive lineman you faced while you're at Michigan State? Do you think? I thought Sean Slater off northwestern number seventy. You know he's always giving me fits is real. Good player I liked him a lot great last name. It's a perfect SM slater. Yeah, now we are. A cowboys focused show. That's our main thing, we we like talking to prospects more generally, but we are. Cowboys focused show so Have you gotten a chance to talk to the cowboys at all during this process? And and what if they said to you? What what kind of the feedback you got from them? Yeah, I love the cowboys focus. Show actually grew up a cowboys fan. We go rent. MTV, my house when I would go to my grandparents, the cowboys were always playing, and they've always been my favorite team growing up but I. I do have the ability to talk the cowboys combine Talk to Leon Lett. And the defensive line coach you know I was able to learn, actually allow from both. When we sat there and just talk ball for awhile. I really enjoyed that and one of our scouts are one two scouts for the cowboys actually coached wasn't recruiting personnel Michigan State. Oh Damn Man Shadow my man. And so you know I've had some contact with the cowboys and. Go Cowboys. Now. Tell me a little bit about that didn't have a TV growing in your house, you'd watch the cowboys. At your grandparents house two questions why the cowboys then if you didn't have exposure to them with the TV on your home, and you were able to pick up enough of a love about football by going over their house chaotically watching TV because we are so much about these kids. That's all they do when they grow up. We didn't have a TV. You know a lot about going outside Luzon ten acres and Seven siblings, we are always outside doing something I grew up got west. Van, because the first like three or four times I went over to the cowboys team playing. So I grew up big fan of Marian. Barber Trello and Tony. Romo you know my favorite player and my favorite players demarcus ware and Dez Bryant. you know I've watched a lot of demarcus ware state, a grownup just as fence Ben and I know it just seemed like a sport for me. We played outside in the yard a lot. I started watching videos on Youtube. Reading books about it and try to figure out about it myself and I just fell in love with the at a young age. Dang Bobby I. feel old that his genre of cowboys this demarcus. It's it's it's. Ever heard someone say that. Yeah, it's it's amazing. How fast time flies because I mean I. It does feel like that was just you know you talk about the Romo and Teo Cowboys? This actually came up on. Cowboys twitter the other day that they were all kind of talking about who's the greatest team The greatest cowboys team ever to not WANNA, Super Bowl, and one of the themes that was frequently getting mentioned was oh seven. Seven with that that team that went thirteen and three, and lost to the giants in the playoffs, and a it still feels in a Lotta ways that was just like three or four years ago and then I. Sit back and I go now. That was thirteen years ago. Now that was you know almost half my life ago, so it is a little insane. Now we talk about how much of a chip you have on your shoulder. But overall, what would you say is your motivating factor? What drives you on the football field? Two biggest things is you know I make my family proud? Make, my mom, my dad proud for the way they raised me. They taught me to use. My talents to help others out. Those are less fortunate than me. Kind of lead me and my second one. You know looking out for others I've been ball his talent and become a waste, and it'd be selfish me not to use. Be Me not. Not to go hard every day and know, try use my talent in my ability to help. Others not feel like I've been given a platform couchville ball and in the NFL and so you know that's what my mother taught me. Always look out for others and care for those less fortunate than being I think have the ability to do that here. We know you're a cowboys Fan Kenny An I would imagine that be a place that you've loved to lands. What are some of the other teams that you feel like you've had some really meaningful discussions with via virtual that in other words show what you consider pretty good interest so far. I've talked a lot to the Falcons I like the Falcons Lilac to fit on their defense You know they pretty much. Turn their defensive ends loose. Let him attack effect. Great Conversation. The Falcons on the eagles giant's ice breaker conversation with a lot of teams, ravens as well Doubt don't care where I land to be honest. You Know WanNa get drafted and gum ready to get to work. Now, you're GONNA have. How many guests rooms are you going to have what she get that big paycheck to paycheck for all of your family? My just live in a little argument off air mattresses forum. They've all got the you know. One of them's going to qualify for the Olympics. They you know, pass. It can take care of yeah. Yeah, they'll. Let you go because like I said I find so interesting. What is your brother going to do as he's training for the Olympics, I mean that had to be. It's one thing not to get the draft interviews the pro day. What we're kind of setback. Has that been for him out? You helped him manage his emotions through all of this. Hasn't been too bad for him. he had. He pretty much owns like a gym with trampolines, so he's been able to go in there and practice still. That's amazing. Well. You have been absolutely memorable. I wish you the best of luck. I always cheer for the underdog, so I'm looking to see where you end up at the L.. Definitely be in touch with you when you end up in the league. Sounds good I appreciate. You guys have me on this morning. Joining us now is Notre Dame cornerback troy pride. You can follow me on twitter at Troy Pride Eighteen. Try How you doing. Don't well, you know. Get my porn team. Bob's on. And Zoom interviews. So, what is your day? Look like with these zoom and we talked to another prospect before you Cesar Ruiz that. He talked about you know. He had anticipated these months leading up to the draft that you'd be living out of a suitcase and he'd be on planes. Do you have a to do list where you're just writing dad. Here's my interviews throughout the day and then around those interviews. How do you get the workout set? So You I. My days predicated on my workout so I started off at nine thirty A. Get up in a Tuesdays and Thursdays are arms for me in Mondays and Wednesdays legs all like probably do a stretch for It's in the early morning or my life days in the dislike today. I got arm workout in earlier in the afternoon. I usually set it. It Up to where on the field on some sort of cardio for arms and legs, so basically schedule my interviews around that I wanted to you know. Make sure I have a structure throughout these crazy times. Make sure that you know I'm still giving you the most awesome Orthodox in so after that you know, I can tell Kay I'm free at one today or free. You know stuff like that, so we can get calls in in a make it easy. I talked to one of my cowboys sources, and he told me the one thing you know. A lot of people are talking about the disadvantages of these virtual chats. They actually thought it was a positive because they're forced to rely on the tape. Do Teams to rely on the tape or do you think that it's important for them to get to know you a little bit more? Their things that rocks you didn't put on tape. You wish that they would have more of a feel for during your pro days or at the combine. No absolutely I would love to rely on my table in your resume this. Work each and every moment in the field to create a resume so absolutely they can rely on tape now. The one thing that I wish that I could show fourth is my personal will like character of seeing who I am as a person. Getting a firm handshake is as meet me and you know just laughing throughout the time that I was with each and every team of, but you know. Thing is you know these are crazy times? Nobody expected this and you know you just gotTa adapt. You got you know. Do the best you can take as. If the best were. Now, you didn't get a pro day, but you dig it to combine I. Know You gained a lot of fans at the senior bowl and so so we didn't get the Prada you did have the benefit of getting in the senior bowl and getting in some good reps there and getting to talk with teams there How important do you think especially now that you didn't get the part? Part of how important you think it was for you to go to mobile and and participate there I think I was blessed to go to mobile ended in apples to to have both of those opportunities to be evaluated to talk team to talk to coaches to show my skill set as best I can now wanted to better. The combat I wanted to do just a little bit better, but. The most part to have two opportunities to show you know my talents blessed and you know a Lotta. Guys can't say that a lot of guys are lost a lot from not having a in. Just to just to have an opportunity to prove myself compete was the best opportunity possible. You've had the opportunity you obviously going to. Notre Dame to have I would imagine a relationship with someone like Jalen Smith. Who is currently on the couch roster? What is Jalen said to you about the League? In things that you need to prepare yourself for that? You weren't necessarily thinking you need to be prepared for. So I remember actually talking to Jalen. As. He came back to get his degree. He was in the locker one day. It was just me him a not just picking his brain like. Obviously he's he's all pro talent. He's one of the catalysts for the cowboys defense. This kind of talk him like yeah, you know me I'm always working to be the best you know. At at the time I counterpart Julie Loveless read it into the draft. Now's a yeah. I'm trying to do my best to step into that role head. He would always like like he. He just a first thing. He was trying to be better than him. You're trying to be you know you're trying to go a step above and I was like man like this. Do kinda barely knows me and has already like pushing me to be better than my own goals, Miss. Kind of arseny was. s what he did for the Notre Dame program. This was doing for Dallas Cowboys. Organization and you know those type of guys Notre Dame producers of. Competitors as I wanNA, win in a nominal athletes. What would it mean to you to be on the defensive side of the ball with Jalen Smith on this cowboys roster Jeez saw watching his notre dame fan was crazy because he was all fields, so the guy like that. It's just going to propel my game because you know he's. He's attacking. He's been A. He's like trying to get the ball. Every single play in you know to to for me to try to. You know combat with him in in. Go together with him. Then it'll just be you know a dominant force of attacking ball in the football join. Our jobs makes these better. Now I know that you are a track star. People look at the traits and go man. Lot of athletic ability You know a rare you know set of skills for the position but if a team were to look at you or or an evaluator look June man, at Yeah, we love the traits, but we don't know if he's the technician we want her. We don't know if he's. He's the type of craftsman at the position that he needs to be at I. I know that you train Michael Johnson performance I got a chance to. To Talk to you out there at media. Day and I know. You said it was important to you to go there and work with Mak. Because you know you'd be able to really work on your technique. And that was something that was important to you How would you respond to that? I? If teams were to ask you about that? If they were say, look we. We don't know if the technique wise. You're where we you to be at. That's the best part about it. because I want to be and I'm continuing to press towards the mark to hone him technique to have better press technique in be stronger. Catch point in the thing is is the my best. Football is light years ahead of me so long to just see the film that I have now in the the things that I've done now. Is You know a stepping stone to what I can truly do what I in working each and every day to get there? You know if it's one percent better, each and every day when I'm working towards and. I'm going to get I mean I I strive to be great. I, strive to be the best competitor in athlete I can't and so you know I'm not gonNA stop never replacing. I'm not wanting to hype. Guys so shoot I'M GONNA. Come, a hard hat on, go to work and get better. That's what I do. You know like to know people's why. Why do you want to do this and what motivates you to do this? So my first thing is I. Love The game I love everything about it. You know not football gives you an opportunity to do some special things. Give me a platform to affect lives and into be. A person the spotlight in just so many other things, but as well as like no love for football. Is You know the my supporters? You know my support system has gotten me they've you know been through long unless they've been through long camps. They've seen the tears. They've heard the the complaints. Everything like so to prove them right to make sure that you know I. set them up with a with a better life is something. I always dreamed up and I can have even Jim I'll be in this. Position I out so. You know they talk a lot during draft season about level of competition like that's something like a d two player. FCS level players always fighting against his okay well. What was your competition level like your? Your Film Looks Nice, but who redoing it against You obviously get that benefit. You know a at a bigger school and a more prestigious school, but there's another aspect of that I think for team sometimes, which is the guys who played at the Notre Dame's or Clemson which I know recruited you as well and Ohio state and Miami Texas and places like that. Teams a lot of times feel like they're more prepared off the field to. They're more prepared for what the attention is like and what? The spotlight is like than than somebody who's playing at multidirectional Tanna state. You know the type of school. How much of a benefit do you think that is for somebody like you? Do you think you're better prepared to step in because you have played? You know Prime Time Games on NBC. Against Georgia and you know things like that. Do you think you're better prepared for the pressure that comes with being an NFL player because he played at such a prestigious school. so I. Mean truly our saying my mind, say absolutely now you know when you get on the fetus competing with anybody, you know whatever level it is, so I would knock D to God for the level of competition ever in 'cause if they're competitive their competitive now just for me, specifically have seen T. Haganah played them in Twentieth College Football. Playoffs I've seen Mike Payment user. These highly touted guy. I saw Austin Mac Siebel. Colin Johnson. So you're talking about procedure schools in procedures, individuals of saying you know the majority of the. Georgian prime time played on NBC night game, so yeah, absolutely no that I'm prepared I know that you know firstly hits in those moments in a lot of people may not be used to, but I've seen it a a know how to bounce back from it. A of done it all in for the long haul four years. Notre Dame will prepare you just about for anything so. I'm ready to go. Who who's the best receiver in this year's class that you've gone up against? so you know Michael Pittman had a lot like he was. He was very good. You know just the numbers that he had how he works in the office. They're spread system was was built on him. You know producing I think when he came to south, bend. We did a fantastic job of creating a game plan that allowed us to. Very much yield him, hold him down. So I think he's probably one of the best. Obviously I mentioned t higgins earlier another you know highly rated guy that are that we faced, and our think well against those guys are match. I was GONNA say. We've sort of been talking to just sort of getting to know you guys I think we can read a lot about you guys. We Google you, troy. There's a lot of information especially if Notre Dame, that cranks out all sorts of. What has been your guilty pleasure and I? Know you guys are trying to stay disciplined and make sure you've got a regimen at home in the absence of these performance trainers and nutritionists. What are you reaching for? And those moments late at night in your cupboard that maybe you shouldn't be eating in preparation for the draft I'll go ahead I'll call out Carter. Coughlin, you told us he's watching movies with his family recently went to grab lucky charms, and his brother made sure that it was a healthy milkshake. What have you found yourself? Gravitating towards especially, because we're all sort of in quarantine, eating stuff wouldn't normally eat. So for me is on the veggie straws like. My kids lots those listening zesty ranch. I can't I honestly can eat a whole bag and it's not like my best. That's that's my. That's my honest truth. Shipping, but man like when I get to eat most. Li Like I can't put them down and I definitely can't put him up, so you're not story for me. That's to us for me. I mean I feel like the Veggie. Straws are actually not as bad as a whole bag of nacho cheese doritos, but it's like once you start. You can't stop you. Know now we did talk a lot about Jalen and and cowboys. Have you gotten a chance to talk to them at all during this process either at the combine or for a video, conference or anything like that. Yes, so I've talked to. Some of the personnel Chris Whole. We had we had a loan. You know conversation just about characters like that. Some of the coaches I saw obviously summit the senior bowl. Some combine so miss. Hasn't been like a fool. Sit Down Interview. Jerry, Jones or Mike McCarthy. Most bartell's alive. The personnel and I hope that they. Understand hope the background noise. No! No, no, you're! You're good now now. I think everybody is is pretty impressed with how they handle yourself. That's one of the things you hear a lot. When you talk to people is is You know that there is high character there with Roy Pride so I'm sure everybody would like to get to know you a little bit better, so you are you ready for some? Get to know your questions. Absolutely. US listen are cool so What's the pre-game hype? Song or pre game hype artist? What are you listening to to get ready? Well Geez, I have a whole sob created like multiple platelets from multiple situations. Allow playlist on my height. My Height rappers like Jabil is from Chicago Yeah. That was Kayla Jason's go-to. Man He. I mean he could speak. He gets bars. Get the peace with it and shoe. For Game You ready to go promise you that. Title to a playlist. okay I have an rn be Kinda. Like by Synnex called maxing and relaxing. That's not bad. So cheesy. I have one for Corinthian I call it. The ISOS sound back so. I'm not. I'm just worried about it being an alphabetical order, so I was just named my platelets like one two three. Because then I know because then I can get to. If it's because my kids have playlist on our Amazon. Music and So like I got I got to be able to have mine of the top so if it wasn't football that you'd be pursuing your Notre Dame, Guy, that's a you know really good school. What? What would you be pursued for career? So I think I stay around the sport or just being the was world in trying to be maybe a sports, broadcaster or journal Journalism of some you know regard because I just love you know talking about. Being around and have an opportunity to be around sports so I I'll probably just going to broadcast journalism. If you could pick let's say you could go in the first round and you'd have no ability to pick where you go. Obviously you just get picked where you're picked in the first or you go sometime on day three, but you get to pick the team that you go to. Which would you do? So. True I'M GONNA. Be Honest. It's been a dream of mine and my family's really to go to the cowboys. So? If I. Can pick that out that I would. Pass that a first first round was fine, but you know once you get three year four all the money to saint, so yeah, yeah, there you go! That's so if you were to pick somebody that this is always one that I know takes guys a little second to figure out who they'd pick. But if you were to pick somebody to run like a Kevin Durant style burner account for you, so they'd pick off all your trolls who are coming at you it can be somebody, real or fictional, dead or alive. I always default to Eric Cartman from south. Park as my guy to run it, so so, who would you pick to run your burner account for you? Probably Rick from Ricky morning. That's a good one I have not gotten that one yet. You usually yeah. We get the the Eric Cartman or or lately we've been getting a lot of Riley Freeman from the boondocks. Big Rich was to he, would he? He? He takes him people down What what would you say is your best like quarantine? Netflix's recommendation right now. So, have you ever seen money absolutely jump on money highly part death. It's a great show. Let me give you something a little. a little less common I've got a whole list. Truly my phone, so. Like movies I'll say if you haven't. If you haven't Saint, would you rather you need to check it out, okay? Okay, we we, we saw. Last night wife and I watched sleeping with other people, which is about a five year old rom com with Jason today because an Allison Brie. Really good everybody should check it out. I think now, but now I just want to warn you would you rather is a little scary? I'm I mean. Go ahead I I. Think I'll be good now. We have you gotten a chance to watch tiger king yet? Okay so so Jane you know Jane's always got. Ask The guys the question that they've watched tiger king. To Carol. Baskin feed her husband to the Tigers. Okay. Yes. Why? because. I think he was ready to move on I. Think she was GonNa. She was gonna see the he was gonNA leave her with nothing again. She had been abused before, so she wasn't ready for their life again. especially with no money so I think you know it happened. It was a heated argument might be hidden or something. Yeah, now. She panicked and she cut up through over. You'll see she really. Yeah, that's why you're going to be a journalist visiting. You decide to leave football this ahead. You say journalism. He's asking the WHO what when where? Why and how? This is, this is This is a cerebral notre dame guy. He knows what he's doing. He's got it all figured and remember the Sardine Oil. She mentioned if I wanted somebody to a tiger. You've got to rub them up and starting. It's like okay well. How do you know that? Exactly, and then the fact that she was like after the interviews and just trying to redirect trying to direct the attention, he has dementia. All that stuff is like. Pushing them off the trail, so yeah, yeah, I, we're. We're all on the. Choice coming for Carol, Baskin, when he becomes an investigative journalist so I've got one question for you before we wrap you up, you sent. You've talked to the cowboys Chris Hall. Long condo about character. What have been some of the more meaningful conversations you've had with teams in other words, teams that you feel have really bought in, and you've talked multiple times! you know there's teams that I've talked to? You know via facetime that up have had me reiterate like defensive scheme to them or a specific call, which is probably one of the more meaningful things like just for you to understand my football knowledge and see how that truly note is interesting to see in no. Like arm between like a coach players like okay, he just told me all this information. How much of that kind of recite back to teach him? So it just goes to you know how much I can learn. How much no in you know by television the game picking up a system quickly especially with. The quarantine now like if we can't go OTA's off we can't. Meet face to face. You know I'm going to have to learn a whole system through facetime or ipads and stuff like that so if you know that if you have that then Jeremy. What are some of the organizations? Which you say, you've had conversations like that with? So I've talked to the Tennessee titans on the Minnesota Vikings New England Patriots Seattle not forget anybody out. Just just I mean for the most part. Those teams especially on I sat down with Denver Broncos ahead a full meeting with them as well as the Vikings. And It's been interesting. You'll just to see everybody because of the scene while I. Can remember I made teams I literally sat down with talk. Football Carolina Panthers. Although seems a specific. So. I was like to wrap up by asking guys. 'cause you know football's a big part obviously, but gear person outside of this. Oh, so what does it? Do you want people to remember? What's the impression you WanNa leave with people outside of a game of football. Unique them. You know, have a signature. Just a football player and I love football. That's what I do, but I'm unique individual do a lot of different things. I've got a Lotta good interest. And that you know. I'm one of the I'm one of the most unique people that's probably me just from a wide array of like reading books reading right now. I've got my Netflix. Suggestion. I'm a very big psychological thriller movie watcher. And you normal fun guys so. That is. Why I was, I was really I was waiting for the I was waiting for the for the Kawai Laugh. I didn't get it I I was seeing the. Book Recommendations that Troy Pride Book. Club okay I've got I've got. This is my one recommendations actually right here. Relentless haven't read. Relentless is is is the real deal now I've been also reading on this professional real estate development. Is just like something like a little like for later on maybe getting into real estate, and then you know my daily devotional uncommon. Only Dungy. Kinda gone through. You know life in life with football life with religion life with God everything like that so. This is Kinda, my workspace, so that's what happened like very accessible there you go. That's my book. Recommendation the Challenger. Sale, so so you'll yeah, you'll have to check that out the challenge sale by Matthew, Dickinson or Dickson and Brent. And I know you Jane's got her bugs and now Jane Yeah. We gotta get the Jane Book Club Recommendation. I'm all about the secret. The magic your thoughts become reality, so you want to read this. It helps you train your brain everyday when you wake up, so. Big Big Fan Rhonda Byrne Rhonda Byrne Cobra Club At. There you go. See Him relentless is very similar to that. It's like training your mind it. The books has going from good to great stop is basically training your mind in competition to be the best in after like it's a Kobe story. Michael Jordan Story Dwayne story all that like encompass through the trainer Tim Grover. Send speaking of that the other one that NFL coaches have made me read and I love it is the obstacle is the way by Ryan holiday. You are if you like that stuff about people who have gone from good degrade or used adversity to propel themselves to the next up. Ryan Holiday Big Fan. So. Yeah, so there we go so for book. Club recommendations Netflix's recommendations football investigative journalism into Crazy Lion Ladies in Florida. You can get all of it at. Troy prides twitter at Troy. Pride Eighteen tour? We appreciate your man and good. Luck, thank you joining us. Now is Boise State Defensive End Curtis Weaver one of the most prolific pass rushers in the country. You can follow him on twitter at Curtis Weaver, Ninety Nine Curtis. How you doing ma'am? Great public guys doing great. I just mentioned there. The you know you kind of bursting onto the scene at Boise you had eleven sacks when you were a freshman. The you you put up incredible numbers there for your three years all time mountain west leader in sacks second all time in Boise state history, and it was done in just those three years. You didn't even stay the full four. Do you. The the national conversation about prospects in this year's draft is giving your resume enough respected. Did you think your enough part of the discussion of some of the top edge rushers in the class? I always feel that It would be bad if I feel that. Generally speaking but I feel like I'm the top pass from natural pass rusher in address. I'm no disrespect to everybody else and I feel like I'm up there with everybody and you were talking about. Greatly some people don't have the same mindset and that's fine That's what everybody everybody has those people that they have to prove wrong when they get to the next level and I'm ready to do that now. You're a guy who like everybody else was getting old. You know like a lot of these other prospects was getting a lot of attention was planning on having a bunch of visits and meeting with teams. Then the corona virus obviously struck, and all those restrictions came into place. How has that changed for you? In terms of know meeting with teams, and then also has the change for you in terms of trying to get your workouts in and stay prepared. Workout, had been an issue That's all you everyday. We'd have to go back to the old days and find your own place to work out and then, but for the teams I feel like The past players who are in the NFL now it gives you a chance to show who you really are. When you even after like the film session the visit when you go to dinner, you can really show who you are, and they can see what kind of player they're really drafting and I feel like i. We got another plus from after my first impression with a We're talking to them more I feel like. So at Boise state, you can't help but look at the fact that it's been about good of a pipeline to the cowboys. What is? The Boise state connection to the cowboys. And how often do you stay in touch with guys like demarcus Lawrence Orlando Scandic? On vanden alert. Yes you'd. Allow I probably too, but. Later were the OH, he was when I was at school, so within was different. And then with the markets. It was like It wasn't bad at the beginning, but I did see him my first year. he was there with supporting. Like the senior class, but then he was talking to him more I saw him. computer facility pitches rain a little, and then he would have my training or the place Australia, and then I'll go get like there's more info from him, but then this whole chronic virus came up and then that that. I had contact We're still talking and it's going good with that. What kind of advice is deal giving you about the League in the draft? Has he a real about. Yeah at the about. The draft is just like he says. We know we're the underdog from out of state They're going to say we don't have the competition. So Alex the cat in a place like underdog mentality, and then just like differ when you get up there like you have to be on your a game all the time like there's days where you can like Let me let me have average base. Today is bringing a hundred every day, and like you really fighting. It's your job now. You're fighting for more than the. And you. You Know Dallas like Jane just mentioned there. It's kind of funny Boise. State is like Dallas. Cowboys Midwest You know they they've had tyrone Crawford Orlando Drake demarcus Lawrence. They've got to your teammates now. They're in CEDRICK. Wilson and and late and Vander Ash. What is it you think about not just that the cowboys vote? Do you think it is about the that the NFL has grown to admire about Boise as a program it's it's not a power five school, but but it seems like the NFL really does love the culture there and the type of guys that are coming out of that school. What do you think it is about the program that draws the NFL to? A winning tradition and that Boise, state, with the success. They have in the NFL they get. They know that they're doing the right thing. When we go through the whole process of three to four years there, maybe five but also that winning tradition when you look at teams, the number one goal is to get to that super. Bowl and win. and we WANNA championships in the past so like. I tell teams I was. was like they asked by the most memorable thing Boise, state and say win. The championship helped lead over the past year by when we lost a one in twenty eighteen dowse heartbreaking her like we still we losing boy the I. One game even is like the end of the world, and is way different from their field from losing one game, but the winning tradition is a big thing for microlight boy these days. You're mostly a obviously a standup edge rusher at Boise state. How comfortable are you with with kind of playing with your hand in dirt, and and have some of these four three teams talk to you about you know or expressed any reservations. I guess about well we we don't know if you're the type of guy that we can put in the ground you know, play down. What would you say to that? And you're comfortable. Your level of comfortability plane with your hand on the ground. it would after the season to be a hundred percent. It wasn't there. Never played. I've probably played. probably a couple of games, my hands in the dirt and I was GonNa four I I was in for With two hands in it there instead of one and then, but all we coach Tuck over the last three months, and helping me with my three point stance getting the bases down in the basic tools down so I can. I can be ready for it all time I. Thank him for that. But also. I'm ready for it if that's what they need, that's what they need. Teams have told me about it. but most teams talking to you about the stand up the end. teams are converting to it. I know you got a chance to You'd mentioned it at your combine presser that you did get to have a formal with the cowboys talk about how that meeting went. And then also. What did they express to you? The they saw you as they did. They talk to you about. They wanted you to put your hand into the dirt or do they see you as more of a standup guy? we the first thing that came out of there by what he knows about the. Dallas cowboys. I told them about the pipeline and that that picked the last. That was the latter day and then WE! We walked We watch film. We really talked about my permission there. We talked about like what I have to do better from. They helped me. Constructive criticism. I appreciate it Dan for that and They really get into my position. Though. Do you think that that is something? Though at the at the next level that if you were to end up with a team like Dallas that, you know you talked about how much you've improved working with as you mentioned talk. WHO'S BRANDON? Tucker, the defensive line turnaround excess in Frisco Do! You feel like you're. You're comfortable enough. There is reached level now that if you were to end up in Dallas that you you'd feel good about being you know down, and and on the edge with them and playing opposite of demarcus Lawrence or something like that Yup, comfortable At any day you gotta you gotTa adjust your virement and I. GotTa do to trying to play. I'm trying to play on Sundays I'm trying to get on the field, and by any means we know one of the most popular questions guys get from NFL offices and personnel department is is asking them. Why do you love football and it allows guys to kind of explore. The Passion for the game. What's been your answer when teams have been asking you, Curtis? Why do you love football? Why do you want to be in the NFL I feel like an like you just said professional everyone has that question or that anchor? I'm sorry, but I feel like for me is. It takes it brings me to like a different state of mind crystal ball right coming from back home. It took me out of situation. I didn't want to be and stuff like that thing. I talked to a couple of players with the next mindset it gives us something to look forward to in life and I. We're in football when we're between the lines. That's all we have. We don't have to worry about outside. We gotTA worry about. What's happened the at home when you're in the moment here in the moment you know. Defensive End is oftentimes or the edge rusher in general is one of those positions that has one of the steeper learning curves from college to the pros, guys just sometimes take a few years to develop the next level. There's a lot more technique involved, and and you know some of the schematics of of scheming up. Russia's with twists and things like that are just different than what you do at college. Sometimes, what part of your game though do you think is the most polished and pro ready aspect? I could alike I would. I am beginning at the end of the season. I probably would've said football. But when you get, the NFL is way higher the. College learning of course, but I feel like this is my natural patrick. By get off me. like my gets me good on the field and then just natural feel of the game i. feel like you know. We've mentioned that you talk to the cowboys a little bit, but who are some of the other teams that you've had conversations with? And you felt like you had a good can with you know whether it be over? These facetime chats, or otherwise I'll ask that question a lot. It I talked to most I feel like almost all thirty teams. Probably my four I feel like everyone is coming back with good vibes. good Everybody's talking about it, they they see Give me good constructive criticism at the end the meeting. And then no one like I feel bad between people are like that makes any sense absolutely. What's the one thing you regret about Your College Career Probably not eating right? I learned that through Xhosa. bay help me eat right. which I a great. Noel Working out. differently. The train like a pro. But really eating right like in college or we're here at work were quick to get the The fast. fast food meal. And then, but it's like taking care of your body, but I learned and we take care your body. I feel like that's That's good. Listen I'M GONNA share a deep dark secret with Yale when I'm at Star City in in Frisco, which I'm there a lot. I have those emotionally taxing days. There is a McDonald's on my drive home. With many. But sometimes I ordered two cheeseburgers, no onions, a large fry an at large. And because of quarantine I haven't been able to do such an act in about four weeks, and it is a wild. What happens to your body? Would you feed? It actually nutrients within your home now with that being said I have turned to a bull or a lean cuisine microwave dinner of sorts, but man like. If I look back on times pre quarantine in quarantine I to WANNA eat better so I appreciate you sharing that with us. Oh eight nine. McDonalds would probably go to play and not eating for three months was probably the most. I learned a lot of self discipline so I was good, but that for like two weeks. After knit by going to stores. Lilo different. It's rough. It's like the Golden Boehner something. There's just there's something to Donald's cheeseburger. I'm thinking about it right now. I might break quarantine God. Forbid get in my car. Would on a mask and you'll get a cheeseburger mill. Thanks a lot we were. That's what. That's what favor and all those other things are for. Fresh Bobby, let's see. Nice fresh I actually. I don't have the the package with me to show up to the camera right now, but I did get chick-fil-a delivered from Grub of this morning so I was able to get access to chick-fil-a. Has that I guess for that for quarantine has been the biggest challenge for you is being able to eat the way that you got used to when you were training at excess. No why like I say great, Asia? He He said it's up. To how our top meals still? Out here in Boise so we just pick up like Don't tell the police, but we believe our house and then Was that we pick it up on their company, teaching the backdoor at the back of their store, and and like a little cooler. And, then we just pick it up and we. We don't make no contact with. Iran, we're going with our day. What is? What's the most important thing when you when you talk to teams? What's the most important thing that you want teams to come away with when they speak with you? Could be honest. There's no I'm royalty guy. I'm all about the team as Boise. State I'm. Winning, is like the number one thing on my mind never really like. What's I I'm not getting my this game by Joaquin. Right that I'm here for the winning. For winning and that's what I really wanted to take away from it well, you will certainly here Curtis Weavers. Name called earlier in the draft next week, and who knows maybe he ends up with a star on his helmet and and continues that. Call, twitter at Curtis Weaver. Ninety nine Curtis. We appreciate you so much man I appreciate, you guys, thank you, and before we let you go a quick shout to kristen belts. Your lovely wife Bobby, who just celebrated a birth God. Bless her homeschooling. All your kids putting up with you and you know. I mean that's a that's an as you've seen. I can be a handful Jane loves me, but Jane also knows I I can be a bit. And Kristen has to live with that and so yeah, happy, nineteenth birthday, honey and And before we let you go. 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We have the three kids, and so I just got three cameo shot so so I got what I got the dad from speechless, which is her current favourite show, and then then her favourite teenage show, which was drake and Josh I got drake whatever his name is drake bell. Is that it I think and then. Her favorite childhood show, which was boy meets world. We got Mr Fini so yeah, we. We got three video shot out as from the three kids, and so it. It was nice, she she was happy with it and you know i. didn't tell her it was cameo. I just started like. Hey, these are my friends. You know the. Top three cameos. Who who would who would you want them from Bobby? I would want it from Tara loans because Tara loans is is one of my all time. Favorites I I'd want from Bill. Hader because bill hader is hilarious and one of my favorites and then I'd probably want the last one from. Map Healy Our lead singer from the nineteen seventy-five wasn't as press with him in person. When we went and saw then you still got the then you still got the photo with them. And you swooned a little, even though you were bitter during the actual performance. That is true I want Morgan Freeman. I wanted to narrate. Of My life. That's one campaign. Slater's rich and famous and. Sam's and claims her bourgeoisie. Brad Pitt. Just because you'd want to look at him, you'd want to hear him. Saying your name I'd want to talk about my life like the curious case of Benjamin Button so I wanted to. Give me a cameo in reverse. That'd be cool. Given a lot of to this. And, I'm obsessed with Sarah, foster right now I. Don't know if you've watched her on instagram or twitter. just yourself with theater all. I want to adjust it instead of the first one who I loved Te'o, but just because I want I'd want the hang of. Blinking on it, but my tiger king I I want the tiger. That's all he is to me. He's the king mazing. You're amazing to our fancy tuning in, thank you. Do you do us a favor like us? 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625. Reese's Senior Bowl Roster Reveal Show

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

52:23 min | 9 months ago

625. Reese's Senior Bowl Roster Reveal Show

"Hello everybody welcome to this. Move the sticks senior bowl roster reveal. Show here this year. I am ret louis of glad of course to be joined by the move the sixteen you know them are former. Nfl scouts daniel jeremiah and bucky brooks ended. His are absolute pleasure for the second straight year to welcome back the executive director of the senior bowl. Jim nagy as we get set over the next hour to reveal to you. Twenty twenty one senior bowl roster will go through each position group as these players get set to embark one. Nfl superbowl champion called the interview of a lifetime. So here's what we got going on jim. You've been hard at work compiling another top-flight roster here over the course of the last few months for a game though that will look a little bit different moving from the venerable lab people stadium for the first time in seven decades. Now moving over to the brand. Spanking new handcock whitney stadium on the campus of south alabama. In mobile in a game that will also feel a little bit different with everything that we're dealing with of the covid. Nineteen pandemic gives us a sense of what to expect this year down mobile. Yeah first off guys. Thanks for sharing your platform and let reveal these rosters here. Move the sticks it's great Yeah the game's going to have a different feel this year at the new stadium. We're really excited about the move really excited. It's you said state of the art. That's what it is. It's a great facility. We're excited about that. Move in the weeks going to look different. We worked very hard to kind of build out the senior bowl week and make it more of a fan destination. And we're gonna have to strip those things back this year in really just focused on practice in a game. The one thing about kobe is. We've had a lot of time to sit around and come up with contingency plans and and making sure everyone safe. So i want everyone to know that the plan we have in place. We're very confident in run it all thirty two teams. The players are gonna come down. They're going to be tested quite a bit. All the nfl folks will be tested on a daily basis. So we feel really good about where we're at and we're excited to get the players down here because it's not a normal year these decision makers that are going to be taken the cards off. The board on draft are not out of games on saturday there with their clubs on sundays. So this is going to be the first time they'll be able to really get the rivals on these guys and and make that live evaluation. That's important and dj bucky for you guys. Look it's just a another draft process that will feel a little bit different As well but it makes the senior bowl all the more valuable this year in particular. I think it'll be the most important senior bowl we've ever had. And i'm not just saying that because gyms with us. I really do believe that when you've got a year where some players did not play at all this year someplace three or four game someplace. Ten eleven games or even more so to get a chance in person to evaluate these guys. It's going to be more important bucky this year. I think it's ever been dj. You're absolutely right. It's been a big part of the evaluation puzzle. The senior bowl. Nail escalates in terms of imports. Because we haven't seen a lot of these guys participate. We finally get a chance to see these guys on the field competing in some of the best and their respective positions. This senior bowl more than ever would be an a huge part of the process allow. Let's get you a look at what you can expect from us here on. Nfl network during senior bowl. Week of all he's got you covered down in mobile. You'll see our senior bowl practice. Recap shows from january twenty six th through the twenty eighth and eight. Pm eastern china. Of course i'll come in coordinating with our broadcast of the reece's senior bowl on january thirtieth as a saturday two thirty eastern time. All here on. Nfl network. Hey the quarterbacks always the headliner so let's begin our roster reveal with a look at a few of the signal callers including the winning quarterback and fighting irish football history. Ian book is headed to mobile. Sent a books. Notre dame record thirty wins coming this season and we'll get an opportunity for win number thirty one on saturday against clinton in the acc championship game. Another one of the most experienced quarterbacks in college football is taking that veteran savvy to the senior bowl one of seven quarterbacks in big twelve history to accumulate over thirteen thousand yards in his forty five games as along. Lauren it is sand etlinger. And the longhorns gunslinger is coming to the senior bowl. Texas aimed kellyn mind as etched his name into the aggie football record. Books and will showcase his skills for nfl scouts. Bond compiling twenty four ten career record in college station with a signature win this season over then number four ranked florida who could send their starting quarterback to mobile with some coveted hardware under. His right arm is been hopeful kyle. Trask has accepted. Is invite to the senior bowl in a historic season tasks four touchdowns breaking the florida single season touchdown record and it is our pleasure to welcome in the florida. Gators starting quarterback. Kyle trask with us right now. On the move steak senior bowl roster reveal. Shell kyle welcome congratulations on a record setting season. Thanks for hanging out with us. Absolutely thanks for having me no question. Look i mentioned the forty touchdowns and that was a record at thirty nine before you broke it. That was held by none other than dany. were full. who i understand. You got a call from a following on that forty touchdown but was that interaction light. Yeah it was. I always really cool just to hear from a legend. Like danny werfel Who is you know he's in. He's etched his name into four football's history books and you know to have that. Conversation with them was unbelievable. He let me know You know that is just really proud of me and that he just always been in my corner throughout the whole entire season. Hey kyle just want to say just want to say thank you for accepting the invite works cited to get you down here to mobile. You might not be the most popular gator though because that's probably going to belong to tony. Highschool is fine as sierra mobile. Been watching canaries play for a long time. But i just wanted to talk about my first exposure to you was last year at lsu on the road tonight. Game maybe the most hostile environment in college football in for a guy that hasn't hadn't played a lot of football up until then your poison how you handle yourself on that big stage with in that environment was was super impressive. So can you just talk about last back to last year in kind of being thrown in after not starting since tenth grade. I know there's been a lot that's been a big story behind. You can use talk about last year as a starter In big stages like that. Yeah i mean. I got thrown in there And i had to step up from my team You know we played a lot of hostile environments throughout the season. I think lsu looking back on it playing against the national champions of that year. I think we came in there. And we you know we just had to execute to the best of our ability with some top competition We made as a team just one too many mistakes there at the end but it was Looking back on it was really just a experience. Kyle i'm curious about your preparation a different year here with with with cova and all the other things but Can you just walk me through a little. Bit of what your your weekly preparation looks like. I know obviously what you can do with the city as well as you can do away from the facility. What what have you been doing and get yourself ready to go and perform the way perform Yeah i mean. I i i mean with cova going on it helps you know having all online classes. So you're not have to run all over the place. So i kinda just you know we wake up. We got meetings in the morning and go back home. Knock out some homework online classes and then it's pretty much football for the rest of the day comeback for some treatment or meetings and You know i'm pretty much. The facility for like seven five percent of the day just straight grinding and getting ready for saturday calvin thinking about that experience. How do you believe like this last year is actually going to help you. Prepare performance your best at the senior bowl. You talked about grinding every day while you be better prepared to really shine at the senior bowl. I think it's just you know. I've had a lot of adversity on my journey to not play here at florida and i've always had to make the most of the reps that i was given and i know there's a lot of Very talented quarterbacks that are going to be at the senior bowl and you know it's all about just making the most of your wretched the day kyle. You talked about adversity there in. Obviously you're getting set for the sec. Championship game against alabama. But coming off a obviously disappointing lost to lsu and had another tight when a texas earlier in the season so you've dealt with adversity on week to week basis. You'll see a plane of play down there competing against the best at college. Football has offer in mobile in the senior bowl with the eyes of the nfl. Watching every move. Do you deal with that inversely. Whether it's playing and play a game beginning to while. I think that's what the quarterback position is all about. You know you're never gonna. Have you know the perfect game plan or near the perfect execution on every single drive by the thing is you just gotta adapt and make the most of every situation that you're thrown into now. Obviously we had a tough loss on this past weekend. But it's just another hurdle for this team to get over and orders focused on rebounding and how we respond to that loss and get better moving forward so so kyle draft fans out there. Follow this thing real closely to hear what daniel has to think about guys and bucky s to think about guys. But i want to hear from you got it throws in the football from a breakdown. 'cause area's tony for us in trayvon grimes to receivers. That are going to be coming here to mobile with you Well first of all. I just want to say. They're extremely hard workers. You know they've earned everything you see them do on saturday You know from the off season to treatment to taking care of their bodies and it all really just shows on saturdays when you see him making plays truly earned it and now lastly i just wanna say they're the great people have very explosive you know. Cadet areas I still don't know how. I'm still yet to see a team that can successfully cover him one on one because he's just so shifty and trae. Grimes is such strong hands. You can go up with anybody in america. So they're just To overall two special players well we look forward to seeing your connection with them and we wish you the best of luck against alabama and the sec championship game and can't wait to see data mobile. Kyle hanging out with us today. Actually thanks for having me great to chat their trash. Now looking among five quarterbacks committed so far to the twenty one reece's senior bowl. I know jim. You said you wanna see abe already with these first five. That's great starts real intrigue with these guys including jamie newman of course transfer from lake forest. George never played as a bulldog instead choosing to out of this season. But let's start with ian but open up the book for us on. Espn which excited to see from him. Data mobile yeah. We're really excited Playing in the game in red. I'll bring it back to a couple of summers ago when we were at the mana camp together. That's was my first exposure to ian book and as dj in bucky. No when you scott the quarterback position it starts with the feet right In just remember seeing in on the practice field that dangerous out bouncy he was as an athlete. That's really where it started for me. And then watch them the last couple of years and him to develop Coach kelly's talked about how many games he's won. And what a great job. He's done leading that program but to me. It's one of those guys. made a really nice late career jump. In his overall play just become more consistent. His field has gotten better for the position in the pocket moving around. He's really an underrated athlete. I think he can do a lot with his legs. So yeah he's he's a guy who really excited to get down here to mobile. You know jim. I'm excited to see in book but also etc etlinger. When i watched here from texas play he checks a lot of boxes. He's tough he's smart. He's athletic. He's super competitive. Any put this team on his back in key moments. I'm excited to see how he competes in a big atmosphere down into senior bolt. Yes santa here is one of those guys. I feel like we've watched him at texas for the last ten years off. Very one of those guys. I've got a couple more guys. In cal- amman is one in the same state there at tech say who feels like he's been their quarterback for jimbo fisher down there for about a decade. But he somebody. Jim talked about in book. Continue to progress into get better year after year. I think you say the same thing about killing monde. He has all the traits that you look for with the size of the armed strength athleticism. He's cleaned up some of the decision making this year. And i think you've seen texas am as a team. Make that leap forward based largely on the improvements from callan mind and then another quarterback traits. It's very intriguing. Ret you mentioned him there at the top. That jamie newman watching him at wake forest. I remember over the summer watching their talented wide. Receiver down there surat. Who opt out of this of this year as well and jamie newman just kind of knows. This guy's big. He can move around. He makes good decisions. He had was productive in some big games for them There at wake makes transfers. The georgia were excited to watch him. This year play for the bulldogs any decides last minute. No he's not going to play due to the pandemic and this is gonna be the first opportunity to get to see him in about a year so this is going to be a huge huge platform for him in the evaluation process. Well it'd be great opportunity for us to see. jimmy newman. And the rest of these quarterbacks trying to make their mark on the nfl scouting community and the senior bowl. Time back with you moved to stay senior bowl. Roster reveal show the look at the senior bowl except that invites at running back which includes the oklahoma transfer trae sermon finishing his career as part of a one two punch in limited action for ohio state this year. Also get a chance to see missouri's all time leading rusher as a running back. And larry rowntree the third jim. I know i'm coming excited to see this missouri tigers. Get down to mobile what we expect from him. Yeah rat works set about this whole group. Usually this one position group for the senior bowl. That's tough to get a lot of these. You know really talented running back jump juniors. We're just we're just lucky. This year that a lot of these guys stayed in and a lot of had nice late career jobs. But we're larry really excited about his game. I think he's one of the most underrated players in college football as you can see on the video. I mean he's got he's got contact. Balance is one of those guys that to me has that ideal running back body type in terms of being compact kind of low to the ground. He bounces out an awful lot of stuff and really the bottom line. He's just a hard guy to get on the ground so to see what he's done in the sec Over career in this year with a monster games This was a big gap for us. You know. Jim always excited to see a tarheel included on the list. Michael carter running. Back is really outstanding. Is that a fantastic's accurate. And when i look at him. I really like his toughness. Run inside and outside but really. He's an underrated. Pass catcher out of the backfield and as we look at the game evolving. How people are using the running backs as playmakers. I think michael carter offers some of that. He is going to be an intriguing prospect to monitor when he gets his opportunity to do his thing down in mobile and these running back prospects can look at last year. One of the last year is running back down a mobile antonio gibson as what kind of impact the senior bowl we can have on you doing. Great thanks. gibson is for the washington football team in his rookie season. Okay let's get to the pass catchers here starting with your wideouts that are going to the two twenty twenty one reece's senior bowl. You now know about the talented florida. Pass catchers senior bowl bound as we heard from kyle traff their quarterback arguably michigan's best offensive player this year nico collins opted out of the season but will showcase his skills in mobile how about. Uab's austin watkins junior. A cousin of chiefs wideout sammy watkins. One of the toughest covers conference. Usa the last two years also adding mobile guy stranger to bullet knockoff award consideration finalist as a sophomore and again this year it's oklahoma state's thailand wallace. Any joins us now thailand. So glad to have you here with us. Congratulations on your senior bowl. Invite or excited to see you down in mobile. It's been so fun to watch u Whether it's in stillwater. Around the big twelve year throughout your entire career such an explosive player. And i love this. Though about what your head coach. Mike gundy said about you recently said in his opinion he's made your football team so much better in the competitive leadership standpoint a give me a sense of what that means to you and and how you described yourself amongst your teammates. Obviously to get a comment from a head coach like bed. That means a lot to me. I think a lot of inches comes back. When i was little i was raised on the game was always compete during. Give it your all in Credit too much further. You know having him by my side my whole life. That definitely helped me a lot with him doing everything i'm doing with this playing sport ryan track playing football. Whatever it is he's always by my side and we're just going back and forth business while apple Well thailand let me start by saying we're excited to get you down here to mobile When you and i were going back and forth about a month ago about coming down here really excited finally get you down and get signed up just talking about your game. I think the school lists you at six foot. One hundred eighty five pounds. Whatever that is not the vegas not the report on the tape and you play bigger than that. You play stronger than that to me or one of those guys from a scouts take is like out the measurable. Just focus on what the tape looks like. Just talk about your game and what you think your strengths are bring what you're gonna bring the mobile definitely. I think you know that. Like i was saying i gotta get a lot of credit to the two towels raise. The fun game raised be competitive. Only beat korean people get receivers in cinemas on divas or anything like that with With our game so Yeah key strengths. I think for me is definitely hyperion in In this was barking. Just things that i think. A lot of receivers won't bring the physical aspect of the games. When i tried to do that. In my game talent you know going down there to a mobile as a blatant cough finalists. And we'll see hopefully bring home the hardware there. You're going to be a marked man. These corners gonna want to challenge you. They want to test themselves. Are you looking forward to that one. On one battle you're gonna get on a daily basis out their mobile. Oh yeah definitely. Of course you know always look to compete for Can't wait to get out to everybody. Do you know talent in thinking about what you can do one of things. That's really impressed That i've seen some really impressive your rowan ability when you look ahead to the nfl and guys that are able to do it. Row runners are really dominating. What is it about your ability to separate you from others. I think me artist also reading back into the county part of it. I feel like when. I'm kinda run. My routes all. I could you physical newbies Keeping brings that is no bringing that physical aspect in parts of the game. There might have worded it as being running walking more matter what anything it is. Just for well deejay many the belinda costs and oklahoma state. I guess could be considered bulletin. Nicole you i think the only fbs school with three bullet mccaw winners justin blackmon having one at twice and then senior bowl alum james washington also a winning it in. You've got a shot this year and look. I think it's i think it's pretty cool. Because you're production has positioned you among those greats in oklahoma state cowboy history. Whether it's for sean. Woods dez bryant blackman james washington. What does that kind of recognition to you. I mean obviously coming in. I earned about guys. The grace receiving corps that Ocean produce this year. That's part of the reason why i came here and just to be mentioned in the the names of all those guys. It's really just an honor listening. The you know even be in the talk with guys like that so i'm really blessed meaning. Sue tyler when you get down in mobile. You're gonna sit across from these scouts in general managers in one question. There they always ask is. Who do you pattern your game after. Is there anyone at the next level that you watch on tape that you try to take some stuff from you know i think all along you try to take keep me from each of the top guys obviously out of the gaza now but I think coming into you for guy here. Awasa lot of dez bryant and nothing. I feel like. I tried to model on and mike anymore so i think keeping for me coming wait. Reason why played wet plays because watching him. In the rate he plays the game. That's kind of what i'm on. Why game another one of those questions. You'll get from everybody. You talk to down there. Is you want to know about adversity. That you've been through it and what you've done to overcome at his ernie any adversity. You can think of on the field off the field that comes to your mind. Oh yeah. I mean Obviously me last year tearing mighty ceo. That was a big hit for me. I've never been sears. The engine like that before until that happens to me. That was big thing this offseason. We've that in Nineteen along in me and my rehab process. But i typed in the best i could out there trying to come back and be the guy that i was You're here for saw up like that was in keeping me going into this year. We know everybody that you know. I'm sitting saying the tylenol. Wallace oklahoma state cowboys joining us. Here on the move the sticks senior bowl roster reveals show thailand. Thanks hang out with us here today. We look forward to get you down a mobile get your role and maybe you can throw out the acts like bags like this bill. Thanks for having our guys continue the conversation now on the wideout group heading down to mobile. We heard kyle. Trask kyle trask scouting report on his teammates at wideout going to be at the senior bowl bucky. I wanna get your take on these guys starting with trayvon grams. Give us a sense of what you expect to see from him. Well aspects ray-ban grounds will be a dominant performer. Watched him since he was in high school. He has a lot of detroit's that nfl will love. He's big he's physical. He has great hands with contested balls and he has a physicality about him that is going to make a natural number one receiver. So we'll compare them to like a poor man's mike evans in in terms of his ability to play big down the field in jim. How 'bout his teammate. There is running. He's running mate. Yeah similar to what bucky said about and seeing tracing high school. I've been watching. Canarias tony since high school here in mobile. I kind compared to across between deebo samuel dante hall the chiefs receiver. He's got that short area. Change direction to make you miss. And then he's got that power in a small bodies got power that deebo samuel has so one of the top makers in college football this year. He's going to put on a show in mobile and as someone in similar to him. That's really had a bust out here for western michigan. His ds courage. He looks like he's playing at a completely different speed than everyone else on the field. And the mac this year go to run for three has been dynamic in the return game and receiver so right. Now you don't hear escorts talked about with this upper-echelon receivers and i feel like coming automobile. You will this. Is a group assembled here. Jim i would just add one. More amari rodgers who's an ideal slot. Somebody that you can use on some of the fly sweeps as well as let him separate in the middle of the field. It's going to be fun to watch him. And the one on ones but overall this is an impressive group of white outs You've put together. Let's also look now at the tight end group heading to mobile kyle. Grants of smu is a terrific story. With at a real crossroads in his football career after leading rice found a home. Smu broke the ball on the field sixteen career touchdowns productive off it. He started his own. Nonprofit organization called cages kids to inspire children than develop the same love of reading that collins enjoyed his whole life a really cool story there for to see and that crew down tight end in mobile. Well when it comes to the recent senior bowl the twenty two thousand twenty one edition it is gonna be a notre dame affair you see here on the list. Six notre dame players are gonna be in mobile to compete with the finest in the country. And we couldn't be more excited to have the head coach of the notre dame fighting irish joining us right now and that is brian kelly coach. I know this is crazy week. Forty you've got citing day. You've got the biggest game of the season playing for an acc championship this weekend. But i know this is a special thing for you to see all these guys get honored and get a chance to compete. No doubt in and to be part of the senior bowl in. Jim does such a great job in not only its organization but You know giving these kids an opportunity to show themselves in a manner that allows them to practice allows them to you know go through a day where they get. The opportunity to be seen by coach is a real scouts national scouts. Gm's and i really think it's the best opportunity for these young guys to to really get a great evaluation. Well coached kelly first of all. Thank you for being on the show today and helping us on this roster before we kick into bucky. I think he's gonna hit you up on your quarterback. I just wanna say. Thank you for your cooperation. Throughout this fall in your staff does a great job so we are just here at the senior bowl. Were excited to get a bunch. Six guys down down here to mobile this year. Well they'll be there We weren't certain that any games we're going to be played now to get one more game in Hopefully we've got some more or less than us as well but They're excited about the opportunity. You know coach and talking about your program. Your quarterback in book has been fantastic when quarterback in notre dame history share a little bit about him. And why you expect them to do well in this environment. Well i think first of all you know. He's been in the bright lights you know. He's he's had the scrutiny. He's he's had people tell them that You know obviously he hasn't. He hasn't done things necessary for him to be a great quarterback in and certainly all he's done is win football games and so you know it's again beauty's in the eye of the beholder a but as a head football coach for me you know. Thirty career wins most in school history. Big wins look. You know taking your football team down Against in the normal team the country with a you know a minute nine left on your six yard line In book is that kind of player. You can see him in the pocket. Got great feet keeps plays alive and just has the ability in that savvy to make nests year coach. Notre dame has done a a great job. We've talked to you about this over the years of producing offense lineman we've got to in this game with robert keynesian liam aiken burg. I wanna ask about specifically in terms of the tackles. I know a lot of guys. When i watched him. I'd jotted down some comparisons of some of the other guys that you've had there but i'd love to get your take just how these two players stack up with some the other guys you've had that have gone on to have tremendous success at the next level so i can. I mean one of the things that he brings. I think that is similar to the other guys is linked but more importantly he's very physical at the point of attack and both guys that we're talking about in terms of comparison. You're talking about ronnie stanley. You're talking about a mike mcglinchey as well as left tackle position. Both of those guys were extremely athletic. Maybe even or athletic liam liam brings a little bit more of a point of attack powerful Positionally as a player and so again. I think he is is the next one in line of excellent pass. Blockers strong with his hands move is feet very well in very smart and instinctive as an offensive line. He has an b. fbi that is outstanding in terms of being offensive line position coach here at the senior bowl. We kind where we're of where college football and the nfl intersect. And i'll say this bence chronic your wide receiver was maybe the best free agent signing and all college football this year. He's right up there with With the best of them coming from northwestern a lot of people might not know a lot about him. But you know he's almost six three two hundred and twenty pounds going to jump thirty eight forty inches from what. I'm told but just really really good tape. You know the game. There's there's a bunch of games where he's come up big. Can you just talk to us a little bit about ben. Yeah i mean he's deceptive in a lot of things that he does. I mean you know. I think people look at him at first take and they go okay But but then he'll go up and get the football from ya. He's he has a A guy that will stick his nose in there and he will block you downfield. He will do all the dirty jobs. He'll play on special teams He'll go across the middle. He'll make catches in look. I mean this guy is going to make your roster better. I mean an when we're talking about enhancing rosters Is is is. He going to be a guy that scores you know will fuller like touchdowns. No no he's not but he enhances your roster to be able to do a little bit of everything he can be on the field in short yardage he can be in the red zone area. He can be a third down guy that that you can be in a bunch set and he can run pivot routes with his big body. It's just a guy that enhances your roster so many ways you know coach. Flip over to the defense side of the ball. Your cabin daily. Hayes has been fantastic. What do you like about him. How do you expect him to perform well. This guy is on the rise. I mean that's the nice part about it. You know as a head coach. One of the things that i love watching is the development of guys later in their career many times you see guys plateau out as they of reach that third and fourth year. He is now starting to reach his potential of what we thought he would be. Early on is dynamic. He's got great athletic ability. The game is now starting to slow down for him. I think the game was one where he had to learn about it. When he first came in he was a raw player. He understands the game a lot. More as suddenness torment in the industry to him. I think his his ceiling is Is really large and somebody's going to get a really good football still on the rise. Yeah coach you're probably answer this question similarly to you just answered buddies but audio guizhou on the other side your book and and going back to last year with kareem and okwara. Those are two guys we had committed last year. got injured But you saw these two guys coming up behind him. And you're excited to see what. What's it gonna look like when they're become full-time starters. Can you comment a little bit as well. Long athletic plays with a great motor. Just just a passion Implying the game and he's got a lot of tread on the tire. He hasn't played very much football. It was sitting behind two really good players for the last three years so again. Another guy that you know will continue to get bigger faster stronger. He's got the measurable 's that you want from a guy that can play off the edge and a guy again that you're gonna. You're gonna get on your roster. He's going to be able to help you in in all phases of the game in terms of special teams and Short yardage can come off the edge He's he's gonna be a good football player down the road as well coach. It seems like just last last week we were sitting up there in the booth and in watching senior bowl practice. And you're commenting on seeing guys like chase claypool out there making plays and here. We are a year later. And we've got a bunch more notre dame players come in to compete in mobile. We can't wait to watch and we thank you so much for your time today. Base guys thanks for having me on. I appreciate it six roster senior bowl roster reveal show given you look at your offensive linemen acceptances powerful pair from one of the best lines of college. Football alabama's dante brown in landed dickerson coming to mobile in one of the coolest invites this year. Washington legends super bowl champion quarterback and senior bowl hall of famer doug williams informing david more of his on the moderate rambling state university. That he had been invited to the senior bowl and opportunity. Doug call doesn't mention of the top of the show the opportunity of a lifetime. Also the highest rate of hcc you prospect on the board this year in addition alabama notre dame. The ohio state buckeyes duo ending mobile. Unfair month for an in jim. Little bit of a surprise today for everyone who's been following. Your acceptance is on twitter buckeye center. Josh meyers is in yeah we. We tried to hold back a couple over the weekend. Some late acceptances for the show had to spice it up a little bit. Make some breaking news. We're excited about josh meyers. They treated him as a senior last week. Their last game in columbus he. He can play guard. He can play center at the next level Definitely starter will guy. Were excited about him. And then trey. Smith has been an all american the past couple of years at tennessee. Big powerful guard can also play tackle. So those are two big ads on the offensive line in. Dj mentioned the alabama pair. No you've been a fan of landing dickerson out of alabama gives us a sense of what you like about him. While he was somebody that was. I was learning too early in the season. Where people like you around. You gotta watch this kid from alabama and just watch how he finishes. He is so violent and so nasty physical he's got interior flex play center. Glazed guard spot. He is outstanding player. Who i think enters the senior bowl process is a top fifty pick who could potentially find his way even into the first round what they saw performance down there and then also there's another one who's big and nasty and physical and that's seven jenkins they're at oklahoma state. First game i watched on him was against texas and they have a talented edge rusher and they were playing this game. You want to talk about finishing. There's one where it's blindside esque where he drives defender all the way off the field on the bench. I mean he is a physical physical tough player so both those guys are day. One starters in the nfl who have a chance to get into that first round discussion here with a good week in mobile well his head coach. Mike gundy agrees with your assessment of his strength calling uncharacteristically strong. He watched him in a weight room this summer and he was just throwing up to twenty five thirty five times and nobody was even county. Is that strong That's that'll be fun to watch. In the one on one periods one of our favorite periods of practice all week in mobile. And let's get a look at the guys will be going up against offensive linemen the other half of the d. line one on ones these guys up front on defense from the undefeated. Coastal carolina shot declares from the aqua turf. The hancock stadium and will be able to run john jackson. A bronco league gerski award finalist is in also interior. Tae kwon a grant from texas won't play. In the longhorns bowl games. He prepares the senior bowl and the draft in a aim to matches big-time production. Carlos boogie basham from the wake forest demon. Deacons is in the game. And on the show with us now. Well boogie great to have you here with us. Okay wait to see you. Get on the field. Don hancock whitney stadium on the campus of south alabama in this year's senior bowl and look. I know it's been kind of a tumultuous last two weeks for you having tested positive for covid nineteen. Give us a sense of of where you are. Now your recovery and higher feeling. i'd just previously tested negative. Yesterday is getting better as days off. But i will just say darren cove. It was terrible. You know this chills a losing taste and smell and just pretty much. Everything kind jeter. Glad you're feeling better. We're excited to get you down here to mobile. Really defensive line is one position group that can really help themselves down here especially when they can rush the passer which you can do and watching your tape. You're one of those guys that you can move up down the line. And you can affect the quarterback for multiple alignments. Where do you. where do you like rushing the from. Where do you feel the most comfortable. Where do you feel like you're gonna make the most impact at the next level me personally. Obviously russia from five technique. This guy again a better philo of using my moods encounters and also russia three tech as well. You know sometimes inside the garza is quickest tackles argues my. I'm just curious when you evaluate your own game buggy and you and you look at something. Maybe that you would say you're calling card right now. What you major. And then maybe an area you're looking to improve and you can use that opportunity down there in mobile to show people. You've made strides in that area as well as my biggest thing is probably just playing aggressive. My motor this is probably myself off of a and i'll say today i wanna work on down there. Probably so case in a more passwords moves in the ones. I developed as a season in one of booking and thinking about wanting to showcase more moves. Guys that you still your pattern your game. After recently i just started watching more of a new markets lawrence with the cowboys. He's very very physical. A mommy of him. So i just started watching more of his to eight more of his game out he plays in before before i caught covert hours in hotel started watching more take one him and just shot you know elements and things that he uses in my game. Well that's awesome. You are a disruptor on the backfield man. I know i signed to streak of twenty three straight games with a tackle for loss. You make living back there. I i read recently that you said you ain't going to the woods and just not being cooped up in one place all at once. So is that how come you end up. Finding yourselves in. The opponents backfield all the time. You don't like their scrimmage. Just i hate being stuck in. You know some places last nominee homework. I try to find some places where not many people ask. My mind is not think about football. Sometimes it's kinda like just free. Just okay so boogie all summer. We had the name. Carlos bathroom on your tag on our board and then we got brought to my attention. You go by buggy. So let's clear up right now before all the media come down here and ask you where buddhi comes from. Where's boogie conference moms of anger. On up a houston. Watch me a lot. You know she uses. Hold me now jumping around doing little deaths here and there. She called me boogie. Analysis kind Fantastic i want to show you a little social media clip here. We had a view on the basketball court. Because i know we're scouting roy's looking to defensive linemen. We like to see if they do have a little bit of a basketball background. I think that you've put that to bed. We can answer that question with this video right here as you throw down. So i'm curious. I've got two questions forever was supposed to have one left but i've got to number one. How much did your basketball help you in your development as a football player and number two if you had to rank these three programs in the state of north carolina wake forest apps state and north carolina. How would you rate those three programs. You know basketball health just getting a better fill my body. You know move side to side especially conditioning a plant in the summer. It ain't get a condition right before today's high school it didn't ranking those three programs. You know wake is obviously my team and then you go. Wake all usc at all. Come on man. I seen these helmets. This thing that's been seen as he sees it the long beach it is you won the ana palmer award as you know like a very distinguished award every force best bill. Athey what does it mean to you. Know is not neji when football program but people all across athletics in wake forest recognizing the going on enough to be thankful you. We'll buggy one for me real quick I know you had a teammate. Opt out there this year but you decided to stick with your teammates. Just talk to us about that decision of me. Personally you know built a ton of lacey with guys on the team. That's price myself is just relationships because you never know how long what you may need less for life. Seen how both la is Three of my best friends their fiftieth soon. As were you know. There's there's off me by accident with. I don't know it was like it came down to the wire. I'm just like you know. Allow yacht three. You know we came in together. We might as well finish it together. Then there's just a relationship. I had with the coaches as well. You know they. They do a great job book. Lot of love. In his deficit live room is just was so close. You know that's like running is an only child just like guys my brothers. This well guys coach clause in your coach. Bogey commented on how proud he is of you because of your leadership. I think we saw it on right there in your commitment to your teammates. Your coaches into the wake forest program ended up. We can't wait to see it on display down mobile but you thanks for spending some time with his family. Look for two senior quarterback's down there all right. Thank you all right now. Let's get a look at your edge. Rusher heading heading down to mobile for the twenty twenty one reece's senior bowl fighting kurt warner's sitting edge rusher to mobile with ellison smith accepting his invite. How about a couple of big tenors. On the way as well with jonathan cooper of ohio state continuing the lineage of talented pass rushers in former buckeyes shock. Tony penn state. Absolute game wrecking ability. Coming off the edge. Jim is we look back. You're at the entire defensive. Line group gives us a sense of how you evaluated these guys. Yeah a lot of different flavors. You're you're going to be. You're going to be able to find something you like out of this group. We are excited about the two pit. Players held back patrick jones until today. So that's the announcement on the show that patrick jones's come in just a pure edge rusher whereas rashad weaver has a little more versatility but both really good players probably solidly both on day. Two right now depending on which. Nfl team you talk. Do they have might at one guy over the other the boats squarely on day to interest. You see where they can get in the process if they can get themselves into the late. I and there was a couple juniors just to kind of tease this thing out. A couple of juniors in the address grew that we're gonna add here in the next days now that their seasons are over. We assume that they will be coming on our on our twitter site in the next couple of days jones. The guy stands out that is going to be an outstanding player. The next level. Morbid wilson from florida state follows since high school number one recruit coming out of texas. He's been as good as advertised for the seminoles. Six five three. Oh four grace is great. Length does a great job of playing with power but also like athleticism. He is someone who has a chance to be very disruptive player at the next level. Aren't back here on the move. The sticks senior roster reveals show presented by zacks vs with a look at the second level defenders heading to mobile your linebackers. The ohio state buckeyes planning their flag amongst this group with a pair of second level defenders including tough borland. The guy that's been a standout for his entire career. Mainstay therefore the buckeyes and gm also looking at a linebacker. Amidst the down. Your at lsu in djibril cox who really stood out. Yeah we we were really excited to get djibril cox and you go back to last year. The north dakota state tape for the bison played them. It really is a star position. He was really outside the box. And you saw him running hit you love the speed but get an lsu this year and seen him play. More of a traditional linebacker role is exactly what the nfl is looking for right now to position he can play in space. He's got speed. He's instinctively saw that this year So really exciting player. It added the game. Yeah i'll tell you what. I'm keeping an eye on another linebacker in that group. And that's tony fields who i saw play at the university of arizona's a young player and pile up a ton of numbers very productive to have season in the pac twelve so he transfers the west virginia. And he's done exactly what he did. Arizona tackling machine if you want inside linebackers off the ball linebackers. That can really run and cover. That's what he gives you now. The question is going to be any bank. Can you take on blocks. That'd be something we'll get to see down there. And some of those nine seven periods down there in mobile but man. This is a productive productive football player. Dj when you talk about productive. I like malcolm codes from university of buffalo when you think about his steady improvement throughout his career. He has shown the ability to consistently get to the quarterback and even though the numbers are down this year because of the schedule. I just liked the fact that he is growing. He's improving. He gives you some of that. Versatility that you like. And he understands how to get the quarterback down there's always value finding players of prospects who have the ability. I'm a game. Changing players on both sides of the ball for the bulls of buffalo this year excited to see malcolm coon says we look now at the cornerbacks out there trying to shut down some of these wide receivers provide some run support as well out the render. Ambery thomas a real interesting study when we get to senior bowl week opted out of this season at michigan after earning plenty of preseason recognition as a guy who would have been the best defensive back in the big ten conference and jim another guy that we're looking at here the cornerback list for darius williams out of oklahoma state. What does he bring. the gyro. Darius was one of our most improved players on our board this year Really benefited from twenty. Twenty tape is a guy you know. We talked to the coaching staff there at oklahoma state. He is greedy. Williams little brother. But i liked that. He doesn't like to be known as williams little brother. He wants to make a name for himself and what stood out on tape. This year was just playing with a calm. He's trust in his technique. He's he he just looked like that. There's no panic these finding the volleys play in the ball. So he's one of those big corners that we feel like it's going have a big week down here speaking of big fast athletic corners. Robert rochelle from central arkansas. He's going to be named. You hear a lot about after the week down their mobile but when i'm looking forward to watching i mentioned earlier about amari rogers from clemson in the slot. Well we've got somebody they can cover them in mold. And i i think he's gonna be one of the better nickel prospects in this entire draft class. I think he can play high as a safety if you wanted him to do that. But very instinctive washington has put out a ton of db's over the last decade. And he's next in line so him versus my rogers. That's my early matchup on keeping an eye on and he's got the lineage as well as alex molden a first round. Pick of the new orleans saints back in nineteen ninety-six nfl draft all right. Let's get to the safeties in this year's Senior bowl game and looking at a couple of guys from georgia by the way a senior bowl high right seven acceptances from georgia. This year. Heading down to mobile for the senior bowl. Schon davis also. They're out of florida and Jimmy no you're also excited about richie grant. Yeah really excited about what richard grant screama being. He's he's a do it. All safety really can play back in the middle of the field. He's got ray great instincts on the back and he's got an opportunistic knack for going up and making plays when they need to be made and he's the guy that will come down hill and run alleys in run support. Really a physical tackler. So if you're looking for an interchangeable safety that can play for you can play strong. Really good athletes space richie grants you got an gym. Some might say we saved the best for last in talking about the specialist in the kickers because last year one in the headlines of the practice week was watching tyler basket out there and just absolutely bombs. Some field goals. He was a terrific player. Done a mobile has been a great ticker as a rookie for the buffalo bills or something kicker she got lined up this year. Yeah and we had hot rod last year. I think rodrigo blank right. It might be leading the league in scoring right now. I'm not sure i know. He's having a great year too. But jose borg. Alice from miami really are calls around the league he was. Everyone's top rated kicker in this year's draft. We're excited about him. And then riley memphis is a guy that is really rebounded and had a great last couple years there for memphis talking to their staff. They're really high in the league. Likes them too. so we do. We lean on the league for some of these specialists invites to bring the guys. They wanna see those two. Were the top two kickers and get a chance to see him in another great competitive environment all right so that we have unveiled on the entire senior bowl roster thus far. I know some move still to be made here. Jim then you can check out the senior. Twitter account gyms twitter account for the rest of the senior bowl acceptances of this year of. Let's get some final thoughts here as we are. What about forty six days from the senior bowl so dj lead saw well for may first of all. I'm thankful that the gym is chosen. This platform be able to introduce these rosters to everybody because this is kind of the launch of the draft season teams. You've had a bad year. It's been a weird year with with all that's going on in the world so if you're team was a little bit down this year you can start getting excited about twenty one and what's to come and this senior bowl processes kind of the kickoff of draft season and buck. I know down there in mobile. That's always our favorite week of the year. It is always favor week of the year going back to when i had an opportunity plan to ninety four senior bowl it means a lot to see these guys compete in other thing that i'm going to keep my own is just how many of these guys compete. How many guys take their games up. Watch they're playing against some of the best players in the country. Well i appreciate what you guys have done to provide this platform and really elevate our game over. The last couple of years can't enough were excited about this year you know. I think there's been a lot of talk about our. We gonna have game or not. Have a game we've been pretty steadfast and that we're going to have this game. We owe it to the nfl. We ought to these players. It's been a hard year on both sides from the players perspective and the teens perspective and we just feel like this is the best platform to bring those guys together in. Really get this drafts. This draft process cranked out so again we feel we feel really good about our process. Our plan keeping everyone safe and we're to get everyone down here to mobile mon- jim we're counting on you man. We're counting on we need. We need the senior bowl this year. we need the. We need twenty twenty one to kick off with a bang. Can't wait to get down there in january and get senior bowl week ticked off again. Hancock whitney stadium and the campus of south alabama playing host for the first year. That's going to be really cool to see. You can catch all the senior bowl. Practice recaps regular nfl network. Tuesday january twenty sixth through thursday. The twenty eighth all eight. Pm eastern time all of course leading up to the twenty twenty one reece's senior bowl saturday january thirtieth two thirty eastern time. Kick all here on. Nfl network four daniel jeremiah for bucky brooks in or the executive director of the senior bowl. Jim nagy. 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Safe Picks, Risky Picks & OU WR Hollywood Brown joins the show!

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

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Safe Picks, Risky Picks & OU WR Hollywood Brown joins the show!

"And now a move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky here, and we are one week away from the two thousand nineteen NFL draft buck. How you doing bud, man? I'm good. You know, we come to the end of it. I can see the tape, but it's almost like running along race, and you could see it. But man. Obvious computer a lot closer than they really really are. We do we still got some time. We still have some more tape that you on and ground. We still have some more rumors to kinda sort out, but it's a fun time of year because when you talking to you scouting, but but then the biz I mean, the draft is like they're Super Bowl ST one opportunity. They have to sit at the big table to have their voice heard. And so this is a combination of a lot of work by a lot of people and to that point was kind of saw the the trid the thread, Jim Nagy put out there about it seems like there's a little anti out businessman floated out there on the Twitter verse. Yeah, I can't really understand it because here's what I will say. And I know it can be easy for people on the outside looking in to county criticize gals or maybe not getting it. Right. You're in a business where are you talking about the hit rate at the good level? Maybe you fifty fifty. But really if you're coming up with batting averages MLB batting averages. Three hundred three fifty or buff. Are you really doing a great job because I believe in our stand on this. The hardest thing to do is to project a player going from college to the pros because you looking at Apple's versus oranges, and it's a lot of subjectivity based on not only the talent daddy has. But where he goes how he's coach what the fit is what the coaching plan is ended the plan of development for those players. And so we can sit here and speculate what someone is going to be two or three years down the line. But really, you have no way of knowing because there's so many variables that really impact the way they play between the lines. Now, I'm glad you referenced the baseball reference there because that's going to be a little bit of a theme for us. You're talking about batting average. How about we talk slugging percentage swinging for the fences because over today some of the risky picks? And it's we we talked about this on the phone. We're talking about light tower power do not choke up rob deer. Whatever you gotta do. Swing for the fences. You could hit one off the light tower or you could strike out. So those type of risky players in on the other side of it buck. We're going to look at some of the safe players guys it, oh, we'll lay our head on the pillow and feel good about knowing. They're part of your team. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the thing. Like a couple of different approaches that you can take towards the draft in the first round we've talked about this and using a baseball reference in the first round if you only have one picking your team is really trying to build it is really in your best interest to be a contact hitter. You wanna get on base? You wanna advanced running? You wanna make sure that the guys that you take in the first round at their worst. They become solid starters for a long time. If they become more than that, look. You've knocked it out the pork. You've done a great job. If you have multiple pics, then you can be a little more risky when it comes to this election for one of those guys because you really wanna make sure that you get it right with the first pick. But then with the second one, it's kind of a bonus fig if you hit on that guy. They got becomes a Pro Bowl player someone that's a difference maker, you really upgraded to tell it on your roster different approaches. But at the end of the day, you want to make sure that you get the first round, right? And then when you get into those other hours second third and even the later rounds you may take chances. We're going to get into that talk and safe picks, talk and risky picks. Also going to get a chance to visit one of the one of the more interesting players in this year's draft less marquees Hollywood Brown wide receiver from Oklahoma. Get a chance to visit with him. See how his health is after his his lists. Frank injury that he's trying to navigate through check in with him on that talking to him about what we should expect from him at the next level. Also, you got to remember for those that don't know Hollywood Brown cousins within Tonio Brown. What do you want to be open to playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Something I look forward to asking him a little bit later on in the show. Well, let's start safe picks. I hear booklets. Go guys that when you pick them, you feel very confident about you feel very comfortable again doubles, you know, what you're buying. Let's go safe picks and just we can just kinda shotgun them here. And just go one at a time who do you like easiest one for me is TJ hockessin from Iowa. He is a safe Vic all day because I know exactly what I'm buying. I know I'm getting a solid player who can. Do everything that I wanna see done at the tight end position. He's physical blockade the point of attack. He can seal the eggs in the running game. He is a guy that can make plays over the middle of feel southern route runner. I've compared him repeatedly to Jason Witten when you think about Jason win and the long-term production of success that he has had with the Dallas Cowboys. I think TD hawks in is a guy that is going to be very similar to that. I think you talking about thirteen fourteen fifteen year vet that just gives you steady Eddy production each and every season. Yeah. I'm with you. He's one of my favorites in the entire draft class. I think you get a little bit of both worlds there. You get some of the high end you get some of the high floor as well. I'm gonna go linebacker, and I have I have Devon white is my top off ball linebacker, actually, Devon Bush a little safer just because Devon Bush a little bit better taken on. He's a little more physical inside. So to me in terms of just safe picks guy runs. He's got great character leadership intelligence. He checks so many different boxes. He's not six foot two. Not the biggest guy in the world. He's he's five eleven two hundred thirty four pound linebacker. But to me, he's one clear packaging. I know. Exactly. What I'm getting with Devon Bush. It is funny. Just you say that because when you kind of described it off we talked about it like the guys that I fall in love with the guys that are kind of my blue collar guys that want. They're smart. They're tough there physical those guys always find a way to play in the league for a long time. And so you talk about Devon white and Devin Bush. I'm gonna go with Taylor rap from U dub Taylor rep is not going to win the Olympics as decaf elite like didn't put in a great forty time. But what he is. He's a rock-solid football player who consistently makes plays. No matter. How you use them? You wanna put him near the box to be extra defend against run. Check that off you want him into deep middle to make plays against a prolific passing attack checked it off if you need them to come to come down and be a Rover data's DM. Forcet lurk in between the hash his checked it off all the things that you're looking for at the position. He is able to do it. Now is he the fastest when it comes to being able to get it done. No. But I believe he plays faster on tape than he performs on the field and part of that is due to his instincts his cue and just as overall football accurate. This is a guy that is going to be a starting to league for longtime. I can sleep comfortably at night knowing that Taylor rap is my starting safety. Yeah. My next one. I'm with you on that Taylor wrap. My next one I'm going to give it to for here because Jerry bradberry. I feel like we've talked about him so much I'll mail yet go there the center from NC state, but he's so clean. And he's definitely somebody. I would sleep well at night if I picked him I wanna stay at the safety position. And sometimes when you're talking about safe picks, we're not talking just about first second round guys just players that you have a role for me know, exactly what you're going to get. There's no there's no guesswork Mike Edwards safety from Kentucky. Buck he might not be the biggest guy in the world five ten force of five ten and a half two hundred five pounds, rain, four five flat. But I just love the fact I can drop him down and play him near the line of scrimmage, and I know exactly what I'm going to get from him. He's always going to be very sure tackler. He's got some instincts to get his hands on some balls underneath just going to be a very dependable reliable player and Mike Edwards. Probably I'd say fourth-round is where he ends up going. Maybe he could sneak into the third round. But more than likely you're talking about a fourth round guy. And I feel. Great about that pick. I mean, I feel pretty good about it as well. Like all of you know, what's funny was funny is we we've take made four or five picks. And we haven't talked about a quarterback. So I'll put you to the fire who is your safest pick at the quarterback position. I'm just curious because I wrote down the name. Yeah. My safest pick at the quarterback position. Well, you have to really eliminate one year guys. Right. Because traditionally one year guys not safe you haven't seen a long track record. So that's the two top quarterbacks in the draft Cuyler Murray and Dwayne Haskins. I think we we have the same top guys just slipped YoM. So those guys wouldn't be classified as safe players because if not enough track record. So then it comes down to who's next is it is Daniel Jones at drew lock. Both those guys have played a lot of football. I would probably say Daniel Jones would would be the one. I'd feel safe about maybe that ceiling is not sky high. But I feel like the floor. I know what the floor is is so funny that is exactly what I wrote down. And it's funny because like it's funny how the scouting process works out very early in the process when I was dangerous Jones's name listed as maybe the first man, I don't know. Then I go to the senior bowl, and I'm watching the practices, and I felt like maybe kind of. Not great. He shrank a little bit of tabs on the principal. But then he ends up as a senior bowl MVP, and that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But when the game was played he made enough plays to earn that honor. And then when you talk to him, and you talk to his his high school coach, and you talk to people around him, and he just kind of checks all the boxes in terms of look, this is a guy that is accountable. He's dependable two game means a lot to him. He has the necessary instincts and intellect to be successful at it. And we know that he is going to work hard at the craft is easy to buy into those guys. I'm not saying that he'll elderly emerge as a top-five, Betty even a top ten quarterback. But I do know if Dana Jones is my starting quarterback. I know exactly what I'm getting. And I believe I know how to build my team to come to maximize who years as a player. Yeah. I couldn't say better myself book. I'm with you on all that go ahead. Can't you got a question for us? We just talked about one of our three sixty guys and Daniel Jones belt, the three sixty we released this week Clemson de line. I'll start with you Bucky out of all the Clemson D lineman. Who's the safest pick out of those guys to me. I think is Dexter Lawrence. And that's not being a Homer. I think with Dexter. You know, exactly what he is. He's at his worst. He's a nose tackle was capable of occupying multiple blockers and stopping the run at his best. He ends up being more than that. Meaning he can rush the passer push to pocket a little bit. Maybe five to six six. I've kind of compared them a little bit did not the same body type was, but he reminds me a lot of Vince wheel fork vis Wilford was a solid player for longtime for the New England pages and then Houston Texans. I would envision Dexter being very similar to that. Yeah. I think you know, really all of them have played a lot of bowl. I feel like, you know, you're what you're getting in the character checks out. So I think they're all actually pretty clean and pretty safe. I would say Ferrell just as long as your expectations are aligned properly. I think he's going to be an eight to ten sack guy consistently think of the production. You give somebody like a brain Graham. Look recently, a guy like Matt Jude on how they've played can be stout against the run can set the edge. And then is going to give you some timely sacks. Maybe not gonna get you ton of sags, but they're always timely shows up and big games. Just totally wired the right way as you. If you listen to the three sixty episode, you're going to learn about all these guys, but feral to me, just the whole military background and upbringing into. I mean, this he's been a life. I I bet on that kid all day long. I mean, these easy to bet on because you right? The background speaks volumes about his character. And a lot of DJ. We've talked about this on air and off they're like when you get to know guys in you know. Can the deer? Why you can is easier to Bank on those guys in hearing his wind here new coach talked about his why and how he's wired I'm more than willing to believe that he's going to be a guy that makes it and speaking of stories with Josh Jacobs kinda qualify as a guy that you have Bank us in terms of safe pig based on his background and what he said to overcome. Say look I love him as a player. I think he's a fantastic player. I still haven't been my top ten and I readily admit he's not going in the top ten. I understand that. I just I believe so much in the kid now if I was gonna use the word safe, though, I think most people want to see more production, and and he doesn't have that. So I wouldn't classify him in that in that regard is safe. I just I believe so much in the person in the kid and the ability I've seen him do everything there just isn't a long history of him doing everything. So to me falls into the category a little bit with the top two quarterbacks. Just not a long track record their production. So maybe that excludes him from that list. But do I believe in him and have I stamp my approval and kind of push my chips into the table any other analogy you want to use? Yes. I'm Josh Jacobs guy think that's well known. Yeah. I mean, look, I think his story. I think what he's had to overcome. I think the flashes that you see on tape when he's been given the ball. And then given opportunities to be the guy he certainly shown it does he have the production that you want. No. But the skill set is dear because he can run inside and outside. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's dependable impasse protection. And when you get the story and what he said to overcome. I believe he's going to be wired to right way, mentally that. He's always going to be a guy that is working at his craft that football means a lot to him. And basically, I almost say is his saving grace, but is going to give him an opportunity to change his life for the better. And I think when you come from certain situations like that I think is always going to be the priority. I think he's gonna take care of business when he's asked to be a feature back. I'm going to do one more here. And then we'll switch over two guys that we want to take a shot on her are risky and have a huge upside last year from JJ or Sega Whiteside from Stanford buck, he's got forty contested catches over the last two years. He's gonna make plays down in the red zone. He's quicker than people give him credit for. He's quick off the line of scrimmage. She's quicken. And now at the top of his route. I think he's going to be a good pro. I like him a lot. I feel like the floor is very high for him. I mean, I think the floors and part of what we're doing. We've talked about Safex I think is being able to look at a prospect and say, I do exactly what I can do with you. I know exactly where role you feel and you will excel in that role. We've heard to patriots talk about that for so long how they put Gaza and roles and the reason that they're able to get production out of guys other teams goodness because they only asked their guys to play certain roles, and that allows them to always play to their strengths. And so we JJ are saying, well, why set I expect him to be a red zone weapon a guy that can win. Those fifty fifty bowls along the border or in the middle of the feel and third down when it comes to moving the chains. He is always going to be able to do that. I kind of envision him. He's not the same contemplate or in terms of Michael Thomas, but the way that the saints used Michael Thomas over the middle of feel as a big slot receiver. Maybe our Sega Weizsaecker can do that and do some things on outside down in Rizzo. 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That's one hundred dollars off at smile. Direct. Club dot com slash podcast offer code sticks smile. Direct club dot com slash podcast offer code sticks by buck into some of these players with some risk involved. But the payoff could be huge. I'll give you the floor for the first one. We'll swing for the Francis. I'm going big. And I'm a go at Mick Kev, right out the gate. You talk about a boom of bus prospect in terms of a guy who is outstanding speed great, physical dimensions. But when you look at the tape, he's a guy that runs kind of like four rows. He's a go post deep over and occasionally a slant runner who makes plays down the field because he. Can just outrun everybody if you take him, and if you ask him to be a complete rout tree runner, you can be disappointed because I don't believe he is a guy that is truly a number one receiver. However, I think visa complement on the backside, basically, a bigger more physical version of Tig junior. He can be a dominant player they may gives you a thousand yards and ten touchdowns on occasion because he is just so dominant as a vertical placement. Now, that's a good one. I'm going to go to the defensive side of the ball, though. And I think maybe biggest boomer bus player in the entire draft Shangari from Michigan. Who is just a freak. When you talk about. What is the freak like how about six four and a half almost two hundred eighty pounds. He ran four five eight that is some free. He stuff when you look at the testing. I think he plays hard. I know some people banged him on his effort. I didn't see that. I thought I've seen the guy win with speed. I've I've seen him convert speed the power. The problem is many. We'll locate the football he doesn't get his name in the box score as much as you would like for somebody. You're gonna take in the top ten. Now, he battled a little bit of an injury. People can say I don't like how he was used at the end of the day. He just doesn't simply have the production. You normally see from top ten pick. And you're looking for comparisons to me different situations. In terms of one was a five star recruit. The other one was kind of an unknown. Ziggy Ansah coming into the league. You saw the athlete. He was and you had to project a little bit of the production say the. Production will come. He's got all the skills, you need it's up to defensive line coach get that out of him for Shaun Gary buck, if we look back five years from now, and he's been to some pro bowls and and had fourteen fifteen secs seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he's on his second team. I wouldn't be totally surprised. So there is a huge variance there, which can get a huge various just in terms of like, you see the fetichism buzz doesn't match up to the production that pops off the tape ever similar player different Rhys. I'm gonna go. With Jakab polite from Florida, Jakab, polite. I love the tape in terms of the way to de plays. The motor the effort to energy the sack reduction to force Romo production. I like all of those things. However, I am a little leery on what he's going to be able to do because he didn't work out. Well, he didn't interview will when he had his opportunity to combine and pro days, and so you just don't know. And then you find out that he's had a suspension from Florida. So you wonder look is disa- God it's going to be able to kind of total line when it comes to protocol in the expectation. Nhs that are needed for him to be a spectacular. Pro. I don't know. But I do know if I can get them to the field. And if you have all the other stuff, I think he has a chance to be a really good player. Yeah. Takes free. Good, man. When you look at the tape. There's there's a lot to like there. I'm going to go to the secondary ingredient Williams had him down. I just struggled with digits. With the whole time. And I just know look he's he's got the height weight speed. You look for he's got some plays in the ball. That are impressive. I think he's more smooth and fluid than he is just sudden and twitched up I think he's kind of strider with speed. And sometimes that worries at the corner position because a lot of transition a lot of quick change direction. I don't know that he's great. They're kind of get through that. My issue is just his lack of lack of desire in the run game tough. And it's just allergic he's allergic to tackling in when I look at a corner like that. And I look at the way the game's played right now buck you can I can guarantee you in his first game his first regular season game within the first five plays. He is going to see toss. He's going to see fly sweep they are going to challenge him and force him to make tackles and be aggressive and fill in the run game. It's going to happen. He's gonna definitely get challenged in that area. And how he reacts to it's going to determine what he's going to be as pro. Yes, you got to be tough enough. Yeah. I mean, despite a misnomer debt, oh, a cover corner can just float out there. They're liabilities into run game and taught to do that. Now people put you under pressure because not only the run game. But you got to be able to stop these wide receiver with the bubble. Screens teams are taking advantage of weak cornered by the does bubble screens and fly sweeps over and over and over again. So it is mandatory now that you have to be tackled. You have to be you'd have to be a trained killer. But you have to be willing to kind of stick your nose, and you've got to put your face into fan and make things happen. So for greedy Williams. He is going to have to flip the switch and become a tougher tackler, a tough competitor. Then he displayed during his time and college I have a guy that is not similar, but I do wonder about his toughness but can't his game translate to the pros. And s Brian burns the defensive end from Florida state and one of the reasons why have concern is he plays significantly lighter than he showed up at the combat. And when you watched them on tape. He's a speed Russia. Only he wants to go up to feel and win with first step, quickness and burst. He has an occasional spin moved at a used to get inside. But I wonder at the size and weight that he played it at Florida state. How is he going to handle when office of tackles put their hand on him? Does he have the strength to be able to ward off those log on blockers is he going to be able to dip and rip and get past him. I just don't know we met him here path to the draft big man in terms of size, but Kenny hold their weight when we get into the thick of the season is a huge concern. Because of that I'm worried about him being kind of a wintry point when it gets to the next level. Yeah. It's a it's a tricky evaluation. You've got the bar keyboards Mingo thing that kind of hangs over your head a little bit. And does it does make that mistake? So you know, that's a tough evaluation. I'll stay on the defensive front Tristan hill from central Florida. If you just want to look at somebody that's dynamic and explosive inside, and he might he has the capabilities of being one of the best players in this draft. You just see the flashes there wild flashes. Of course, you had change over in staff. It's been well documented he only started one game this year. But you flip on the tape at the end of the season. And you see him. He is disruptive. He is explosive. I think he's so talented buck. He's a classic second round pick to me some ways it's going to say, hey, I would never gonna take that risk in round one. But man, I I don't see him getting out of the second round. The ability level is too good ability to good. And when you get to the second round you really trying to throw a door and trying to hit on someone. They can be a starter and a key contributor. He is so shown that potential desk going to give him a chance. And so you'll for some of these guys at just. It comes together with the right coaching the right environment. I do believe peer pressure matters. Sometimes that can get people to elevate their gains because they feel the standard is race. And they wanted me to stand. Give me give me one more here. One more. I'm gonna go with one of my favorites. But there is some risk involved. How about Jalen Ferguson for Louisiana tech? He's one of my favorites because production is there you've seen a multiple occasions. Look finishes, the F B S autopsy Jackley to he shattered to real suggs record and finished with forty five sacks. And so sacked production translates UCF play violent. He has a mean streak that I like a like the dog that he has in them. But there are some concerns he puffed up. He got bigger in the season doing this pre-draft process. Some of the show people that maybe you could be a bigger and better and more explosive athlete didn't really test will. And so for me, I'm hoping that he goes back to his normal weight. I'm hoping that he retained it ED's that made him a dominant player and college. If he does it I think he has a chance to be a really good player problem going to be a first round pick. But I think he can be a guy that outplays his draft status. Because he does stand art of rushing to pass. And then I have one to throw out to you guys. What about Dalton reisner? This is the guy if you watch them against Mississippi State earlier this year, he kind of owned Montasser sweat and did really well against the line, which is going to have to high picks. But I notice, you know, he's number forty on your list deejays, not in the top five for you in terms of tackles or interior guys Bucky what about him as maybe a question, and what is his boomer bus potential? He's interesting because the things that I like about him, man. He's a scrapper. He's a tough hard nosed guy on the edge. He did have a good game a solid game against Montes where we're able to kind of neutralize Amon and stuff and he showed potential at the senior bowl. He held his own against all the time guys that were there. I think what I worry about maybe some of the lateral quickness. Like when he has to face like the league ask coming off the age is he going to be able to share shadow and mirror some of those guys. But I like the tough guy factor. I think for him team fit scheme fit is really important. Our preferred that he went to a team that is a little more rugged into approach in terms of maybe run I pass second allowing him to kind of come out of his stance and just mall people. Then I think is easier for him to Dan Mullen, reset when it comes to those play action passes. Yeah. Question is is again to plan tackler or center Mays played center early on in his career. There's a lot of teams that feel like he slides in there. He's got really strong hands. She's got real strong core. Just sometimes it's feeder a little bit slow to get two spots, and he'd get away with that collegiate level at the NFL level. That's going to get in trouble. Also, he's a little bit of a heel clicker, which can mess with your balance little bit. If you think about a pass set you want to have some some base in balance there. It's hard to do that when your legs are coming together. And those against some things you get away with the college level, you can't get away with that at the NFL level. So a couple of things he just needs to clean up. I again, I haven't met at forty. So I have them as early second round pick. I think you'll be solid player. I just don't view him as an as an upper echelon big time, dude. But he'll be a starter. You won't have to worry about them. And I think it'd be a good pro. All right. Doug, my last one. I'm going to go quarterback. You talked about Daniel Jones. We mentioned him being a safer pick to meet Jarret stidham is the one kind of could be a hero zero. If you just watch them in shorts as we both had a chance to do at the elite eleven he spends it as well as anybody in this draft class. He's got a beautiful motion. Beautiful arm the ball pops. It hasn't really worked out great. At auburn. This system was not very friendly to him. You're talking about somebody. That's got size. He's athletic. He's got a big arm. All the character stuff. The intelligence. He checks those boxes. It just hasn't always shown up on the field. So to me third round swing for the fences. You might get something there with your it's. Yeah. I think the guy's wired to right way in terms of he strikes me as a guy that is high Q, very diligent and deliberate work when it comes to learning and mastering offenses to arm talent is sufficient I think he can make throws that you need to make. When you're starting quarterback in the league for whatever reason when he was at Auburn didn't necessarily plan assist. Mhm that matched his talent. And so we didn't get a chance to really see him. But I think you have to remember he was a highly decorated recruit show flashes at Baylor that he could be a big time guy. So I think this is a situation where if he's mashed up with the right coast and given time to kinda sink into kind of settle into a system. I think he has a chance to be a starting quarterback down a lot. Yeah. I'm I'm with you on that one. We'll see what happens with some of these risky players hit it big or you could miss. That's the that's the beauty of the NFL draft. You know, bucket can be a little frustrating, especially if you're in a hurry or running late to find yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train. And if the signals are going in the trains, not even there yet, you can feel a little bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks. We'll don't ever trains are often going lot faster than you expect them to be and they can't stop even if the engineer history breaks right away. It can take a train over a mile to stop by that time. What used to be your core is just a crushed hunk of metal? And what used to be you will better not think about that. The point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive to train can't stop even if it sees you. The result is disaster. If the signals are on the train is on the way, and you just need to remember one thing. Stop because trains can't right? No, I block. We're we're coming to the latter portion of today's podcast. But I do believe we've saved the best for last. I know we've saved the fastest four last. And you'll know what I'm talking about. When you hear our conversation with the man named Hollywood. All right block. We're couldn't be more excited to be joined by the most explosive player in two thousand nineteen NFL draft some gnome as marquees, but we know miss Hollywood. And that's how the world is going to know him. Once he gets into the NFL Hollywood Brown from Oklahoma. Join us how you doing math doing good doing good this. I gotta ask you first of all. And then I'll get over to buck here. Just how how's the foot feel how health right now? Us feeling good is going along really on his been gaining me. A lot of confidence. Just started, you know, running doing some, you know, different journals of mobility word. So you know, everything is on schedule. You know, Hollywood you had an outstanding funnel season. How much did they injury? Plague you at the end of the year, particularly when we saw you in the playoffs. I a I try to stick it out for my team is being anything. I could do enough. I was decoded and follows this. You know, anything to do the help. That's what I was trying to do. So I was really it was it was one of the in the gains sees itself would have had another game that I probably would still try to go. What is the team that drafts? You getting I look back at my notes in my favorite line that I wrote down after watching. You was two words. It was sudden death because it was like it doesn't matter where you are on the field. You're capable of putting that thing into the paint and making things happen. But when you watch the game on Sundays is there somebody you watch and say, okay, I know I can do that. That's what I want to be at the next level. Yeah. I watch a combination Gaza question. I watch AB within you know, I always grew up watching the signs accent. I watch tyreek hill, you know. I watch I watch a lot of guys know even bigger issues. I I like Jay is. So this is their mentality days like they feel this day. And that's how I played a game. Fearless anytime I do such, you know, Trump school. You know, you have a unique relationship with AB Antonio Brown being a cousin, but also been a mentor. What have you learned from watching him from interacting and working out with him to really help you become a better player? It'd be a pro no is ill hits me a lot. You know from off the field on fill in his just my mentality out there, you know, in I'm trying to you got to train high. You know in his desert sweets all music mentality in there. You know, you gotta thank you. The most dumb food. I want to ask you real quick about, you know, the the way things ended there in Pittsburgh with Antonio got a little bit messy. I know he's happy to be an Oakland now going forward. But if the Pittsburgh Steelers were to draft, you you have any issue at all playing for the Steelers. No, not done. You will handle issue? The look is very not health and quarterback. No load. You know, how we're coming into this process like the combat process you couldn't participate in it. But at some point you can have an opportunity to get back on the field when you have an opportunity to get back on the field bid at rookie minicamp or training camp. What are some of the things that you want to show people or remind people that you're able to do on the field. Assume that you know, that I play a lot bigger than what my size may say. And you know, when you watch the games, you don't know how guy on. So I'm going to remind people that you know, it ain't no issue. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be an issue. That's one of the things. I love about us. Even though you're not the tallest in the world you play above the rim. You go tack the football in destroying their at the catch point in thinking about your love of playing there. They've been some successful receivers. Dede Westbrook was the last one to go from there. And he's had some success in the league. What is it about playing receiver? Oklahoma that is going to allow you to have immediate success in the pros. Is is like I say, I would they ask the you here. You know, they ask for you to block they gonna let you run routes, coz Riley. He he does a good job in co Simmons. Because Gandhi, they do a good job in helping you develop a really studying studying film in habits like that, you know, help translate to the next level. The last question last question for me, and I'm gonna let you go. We look forward to fall on you. As you go through this process. We have used top wide receiver in this draft class. Just in your own words. Why are you the premier wideout in this year's class? Honesty. You know, I don't really get into you know, who talk not I just know what are granted a table. And you know, I'm gonna God I really loves to win at the end of the day, you know, the film don't speak. But as far as a person I want to win this game. And I wanna win every game. So that's just what I'm a brand to say. You know, you wanna win. That's fantastic. We'll do what we we. Appreciate you taking some time for us today. Finally, it's finally here a little more over a little a week from now, you'll know where you're going and we're excited to follow you through the process, but thanks, man. What a fantastic conversation would Hollywood Brown, man. He is everything that we expect them to be as a playmaker. But I think his insight on the quarterbacks and how he is improved as a player, and what he wants to accomplish it the pros that is the stuff that we talk about separates two good from the great. So I think he's going to have an opportunity to be great one at the next level. I'm with you on that great to to catch up with that stud receiver from Oklahoma. All right. That's going to do it for us today. We are a week out from the NFL draft. 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Instant Reaction: 49ers Draft CB Ambry Thomas in Round 3

Niners Nation

10:59 min | 4 months ago

Instant Reaction: 49ers Draft CB Ambry Thomas in Round 3

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show our team of national and local experts at the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leaving mind from around the industry subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show wherever you get your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond what should everybody stats and k. p. back with you break down the final pick of data to for the forty niners. Cornerback ambrose thomas for michigan. Kp you know cornerbacks better than anybody. I know what do i need to know here. He can run. And when you can run you can. I saw some people you know what wanting so asante samuel earlier and then this last round was elisa molden from washington. Those guys are small and slow to combos that. Do not work in the nfl. Ameri thomas is five eleven so good size and he also ran a four three seven and he jumped thirty eight inches inch vertical so explosive he's also very good at attacking the ball in the air. So i watch a lot of what i notice was. Whenever the ball was in the air he contested everything. And that is probably got. The forty niners gravitated to as you know. This team has not been good finding turnovers and takeaways at the cornerback position. So with that in mall employee. You're standing like retirement. He opted out this past season. So i flew to wife l. since you know. There's not a lot of tape on him but he played at the senior bowl. One thing that i really really like about him. I think he's going to be the starting kick returner. I think he's going to be the washing machine games. He had at least four returns where he was tackled by the shoestring seriously he came back close to breaking. He had one that he did take the house but he's he really shouldn't player and i could see him doing damage if not this year on defense In a couple years. That is something that this team really needs. They have not had a good kick returner since game was around. What twenty eleven. I think he came with jim. Harbaugh like they never seem to have a good returner. And i would love it but i feel like every time we say. Oh yeah this person is going to be a returner for the forty niners precaution. And like he never goes with that person i mean. They had dante pettis who was the record holder for college football returns and they net he had one kick return and his whole niners career and he fumbled it just you. They have been so bad at fill position to because of this. So they're relying either on their defense getting stops and by stops. I mean three and out which. That's not sustainable. That you can't allow you can expect your defense. Do every possession free offense to you know. Take over at a good starting position. So i really liked the thomas pig. I'm probably one of my favorite picks of the day for them are probably is my favorite pick of the day for him so even when you look at his stats as a player so he allowed a forty nine percent. Completion percentage during his last season. He had three interceptions. He broke up seven passes so he was very very active and just aggressive and i think that's another thing what they really need guys with confidence guys who know they can make plays who have made plays before. Because i think that does go a long way. I'm fascinated by this pick for another reason. And that's because somebody with the forty niners had to talk to. I would imagine. Jim harbaugh at michigan and i'm fascinated to know how forthcoming old. Jim was to talk to his former employer about this pick. Do you think kyle shanahan spoke to tomorrow do they. I don't know what is there like dynamic. Do they like each other. They have any sort of history. I have no idea i. I don't know either. But i just. I have spoken on the phone to jim harbaugh before and i've seen him in person because he recruited kid high school that i used to coach at. He just seems like a crazy person. And that's not breaking news at all. But i can just see him. Hold the animosity towards the forty niners for whoever is coaching for all of the players. So that alone would make me think that these guys like he would just tell him you know. I don't know but at the same time it's his player like you would think he would gas them up and say he's the greatest ever so yeah that that's a that's a fun story line there but i mean it's jim harbaugh man. There's just i'm just playing out stories in my head. I'm sure you know to. But he's just a wild child man. So yeah i. I don't know what to say about him but i think just going back to every time it's like they got a good player and that's what really matters here and you know i'm doing a little reading on him. One of the things. I saw that i thought was interesting. Was it says. He was praised by the michigan coaching staff for his competitive nature. If you get praised by jim harbaugh for being competitive. You are a crazy person. Because there's no one more competitive than him and getting back to embrey thomas just as an example of that. He was in the hospital with colitis for a month and he lost thirty five pounds and doctors and everybody are telling him. You should probably sit out the season. Not only did he not sit out the season he and miss a single game. If that's not competitive. I don't know what is yeah. That's what you want a guy that is willing to do anything and everything to get back at it. And that's what he did so he didn't play in twenty twenty but that had nothing to do with the client status more duty with covert reason. So yeah if play it. He probably would have been a second round picks of anything the forty niners benefited from thomas. Not playing football this past season. I thought another thing that was interesting in the press conference at the forty niners just had they were quick to point out that he was basically a pick that was championed by adam. Peters which i thought was interesting You know there was a lot of talk about who likes what quarterback in the front office. I thought that was kind of a nice way for the niners to sort of give him a little bit of. Yeah i was. And because peters is the man he's the guy going around the country doing the traveling doing the heavy lifting doing the scouting so another thing. That was interesting was the three picks that they had today where all participants at the senior bowl so with lack of film with the lack or just with the covert situation that went on around college football. They relied on the senior bowl so they were either talking to the director. Jim nagy getting a lot of information there. Or that's where. Adam peters was and then he just took the guy's air but at the same time they've done that the past couple of years. So maybe we should have seen this coming. The other thing from the press conference that jumped out to me Kyle shanahan was asked about aaron banks the the guard they took earlier in the day. And the question was kind of phrase like. Hey you don't usually take players like this. And kyle like he gets prickly anytime anybody suggests they might know something about him or the players. He likes he immediately. Responds with you know. Well we don't have. We don't draft a particular type of guy we we you know we guys that can do this. That and the like. He doesn't like when anybody might suggest that they might know what he's thinking or doing. Part of me just wants to start doing that from now on knowing that he's going to get upset because he's been on edge for a couple of weeks now like whenever. It seems like he talks. He's almost waiting for somebody to bait him and then so he can respond like that and then he'll follow up his next presser saying well. I didn't mean it like that or well. i want to clarify. Not we know what you meant man. So there's no taking it back. And i don't think there's anything wrong with that. I understand the frustration of being labeled as something so in his case he just wants to break that narrative. And don't think there's anything wrong with that yeah. I think that was a big part of the draft. I mean i think he loved being able to take trae lance and tell people stop connecting me kirk cousins and match shaab and i think the same thing happened with banks today. I think he. He's really trying to tell. People like do not pigeonhole me into one thing or the other. Because i'm going to prove you wrong and again and again and you look stupid. How so this is really ridiculous. Even asked what how much of trae lance was centered around. I'm not going to do what they think i'm going to do. And knowing and he and they came out and said you know they weren't really in on mac jones and the media essentially was played the whole time which is even more hilarious but i wonder if a small piece of him was like. Oh this kid. Yeah i really like him and this is just me telling them all to shut up and never do that again. It's not the primary thing that led them to make that decision. But i you'd be stupid if he didn't think that was at least a small part of it. I think that they like it. Like kyle said this week. He goes on social media. He reads this stuff. Like he's kinda got rabbit ears a little more than i thought and i. I'm convinced now that that was definitely part of thinking. I think he likes. You know he's got a little har- in them that way throughout the middle finger to the media little bit i love him and keep it under wraps keep it to yourself but this trae lance did not come out of nowhere and i know we're going talking about all the draft picks now on. He was on sports on thursday night. John lynch and shannon. We're talking to bp and lynch told him that lance called him on a sunday night in january and said. Hey i like land. So that's how far this lance bit goes back. Kyle just got obsessed with him and they started watching tape. And there. you go not trae lance the quarterback One thing. I saw on twitter that i just wanna shut down right now. The the whole tray area but we're not we're not headed. I hate it. I hate it already. And god forbid lance throws a touchdown trey sermon. We gotta shut that down now fleas. How about this. There's an opportunity for the team to draft another tray. I don't know who. But i'm sure that there's another way in draft so that would make trust trays. And if that happens. Rob you might not be able to log onto the internet again. No no like we can do better than just it. Don't come up with these little funny cool twitter things that you think will get you a lot of re tweets or likes stop it. We gotta shut that down. It's happened man no and you. There's nothing that you can do to stop it now. I'm rooting for trade. To trae traded trays actually better or at least that that's better than the trae area. Know what what would be the alternative in this scenario because you know as we as we get outside of the box it's only going to become more and more insufferable. Yeah i can't even think of one at this point. Look it's almost twelve thirty. Am in connecticut. Where i am right now. pithy little nicknames. Not what you're gonna get outta me at this particular. I'm sorry i'm letting you guys down. I know nine twenty. Three where i am. We have plenty of time. The weather's nice great draft for the forty niners. Great weather outside as always rob thank you.

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The New Process

NFL Live

40:12 min | 1 year ago

The New Process

"It's a big day here on epilogue. We got a lot of special guests. Jerry duty is here the former Alabama standout on the short list of potential elite receivers and our virtual tour of GM home command. Post Continues Bob Quinn of alliance Beer he gives us a sneak peek behind the curtain. Hello everybody happy. Happy with us on this Tuesday quite the crew today. Adam Schefter is with this Ryan and Marcus as well. We will also hear from Mel Kiper Junior. Jim Nagy and Josina Anderson. But we start with this just over forty eight hours to go into staffed and Adam. Schefter preparations in full swing. There was a mock riot dress rehearsal if you will this week what. What were some of the key? Takeaways what are the NFL. Tried to simulate what we unfolding on Thursday night Friday and Saturday so they went through a two round draft. The way that they will this upcoming we can to make sure there weren't any glitches and of course there were glitches. It occurred on the very first pick. Cincinnati bengals pick got stopped for two and a half minutes. Delay there to figure things out so this is why the NFL goes through rehearsals now. There's nothing to worry about. They may happen this weekend again but the NFL is not gonNA put the draft on auto draft revert to milk. Hyper Jews next selection on his board. It's GonNa wait until that team communicates it's election and it gets it in at that point in time but they simulated trades. They went through it. They try to adapt it to way will unfold on Thursday night when the draft gets underway here on ESPN and ABC listen. There are worse. Things Than Defaulting Mel. Kiper junior says but I know that's not how it works so they will not go in that. But here's Broncos John Elway who talked about the dress rehearsal the smoothie. Got Off to a little bit of a hiccup. I started but other Natoma it really snows. There were really no problems with it so we got more comfortable with it so it should be fine. Go on without a glitch answer. That would be a couple of glitches air. Actually for the first for the first time I thought pretty well he obviously the time constraints being virtual and not having everybody in the same room makes it more difficult So you know that may lead to less trade. I still think there's GonNa be trade but if anything I think it makes us or parallel bit harder to have an idea at each position of where we are right now. Would I thought it went pretty smooth. I think a lot of it was just getting comfortable in how I was going to communicate Not only with the League and other teams but also with the guys you know like I wanted to talk to multiple people at one time or guys individually so we kind of went through bad. I think You know we've got the answer though the big things get to this finding out the answers of the really how we want to do. Listen everybody's dealing with the same type of good even us this week and later this week as well. We'll say hello to Ryan Clark. Marcus Spears Ryan. I'll start with you. Let's look at the draft order in particular. When things get really interesting. In your opinion I think things are going to get interesting. Once we get the first two picks off the board. Because THAT'S DETROIT LIONS. Come up and we'll someone jump up to get one of the quarterback so everything stay pay it. Kinda like atom says we just go auto draft from milk. I FOR AND JOB AND JEFF. Okuda come come up on the board for the Detroit. Lions and so. I think that's where things will get interested in now. We might all be just waiting around for nothing. No calls may be made. No trays may be made. But that's the spot. Y THEY UNCERTAINTY CREEPS IN. And that's what we need. We need this to get fun. We need somebody's facetime or skype. Zoom to mess up when they're trying to make their pick. I want to see Roger. Goodell scramble in his basement. That's what I'm looking forward to at number three Marcus. What about you win the widow or see I'm with R? I won't technology to get the best of us. It's always funny when it happens. I want somebody to walk in the room while somebody is making a pig. I won't babies in the room when somebody's trying to make a pig crying all of that. I'm trying to manage stuff in my house right now to the question at hand. No I think it could get interested in that to their reports that the risk of potentially moving and obviously they know that it seems to me leading up to this draft draft. Capital has become vitally important. I know we talk about that. I'm not sure beyond Joe Bureau and say Xiang Sore guys that ended up in these particular slots that doesn't mean that there aren't really good players all over this draft but you have offense tackle laden draft. You have obviously the quarterbacks Herbert in tour you have teams. That are that are lower in this draft. That will be looking to move up. Some that are looking to move down with reported. The forty niners are and having talk so I'm super interested in the movement. I think it can happen as early as two so I can't wait for it to happen all right. He can't wait shefty. What about you where things really start to heat up in your opinion well to me? It's going to be hard for the Detroit. Lions at three and the New York giants for bowl teams. Who want to move back to find a trade partner so to me work. Instinct is the Miami Dolphins at number five that becomes to me the moment of truth. Because everybody's wondered which quarterback thereafter could? They take an offensive tackle at that point in time. And then come back later in the draft for quarterback hard for me to imagine that they would get cute when you're talking about your quarterback of the future but there are people out there who believe that could happen. I don't know that it can but to me when they come up on the board. Are they going to go for tour with the medical questions? Are they going to pull the upset and go Jordan love again? We talked about Justin Herbertson dolphins last week. I'm not hearing a lot of that this week. For whatever that's worth and you don't know what's real and what's not and that's what makes that pick at number five so interesting because it dictates what happens if five and a dictates what happens the very next pick with the chargers at six who could be in the market for a quarterback to right. They're five and six to me. That's where it really begins all right either way. We get some drama early. Hopefully and you talked about the Redskins so Washington draft talk has been all about chase young understandably so certainly that to pick but it's not the only order of business they need to attend to their is still the trick. William Situation and it looms large in the nation's capital and for more on that we bring in Josie and Anderson who less followed this from the get-go and Gioja. Where do we stand right now? Well the question Wendy really is win. Is Trent William Saad? Going to end as he's been linked to several team since the redskins gave him permission to seek a trade and also an increase over the thirteen million a year that he's currently ranked making that has ranked as our ninth highest payed left tackle in the league. So what about the browns right now? Well General Manager Andrew. Berry told me this morning that he's not going to be locked into a single approach when it comes to filling needs by the draft by trade and or free agency so I was told purse source that acquiring. Trent Williams is still on the table for the browns which is significant. Because INTEREST CAN EVAN FLOW. It can go away. I mean look at JV and cloudy. Whip the seahawks but when it comes to a timetable I was told that nothing is imminent in terms of being finalized today but the browns are definitely keeping Williams on their radar and it could happen leading into the draft in the draft. Or after or maybe not but when it comes to the desirability of Trento specifically just to give you an idea when I asked a top player which offensive tackle out of college would like for their team to acquire got a text back that said bleeping Trent Williams that lets you know how much some of these players want to add. That left tackle to their team. Right now. Joe. We can fill in the blanks. We can still do that in this virtual world. Thank you GEICO presents. Not again another voicemail from your roommate. Hey man so I was in a rush to get to work and I left the back door. Open shut it. I lifted wide open a while. You're there could you also turn off the oven and all of the burners. My mom never let me use the oven. I wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. Keep your personal property protected. Like if it's your roommate's first time operating in oven visit. Geico DOT COM to see how easy it is to switch and save on. Renter's insurance welcome back to. Nfl live new now from our border during media. Teleconference call cowboys coach Mark. Mike McCarthy was evasive would not answer repeated questions about whether Dak Prescott has participated in the start of their virtual office season program. He explained the workouts are voluntary. Marcus Spears Adam. Schefter BACK WITH US. And of course we previously reported that without a long term. Deal in place. And there's not one. The DOC would likely not participate. The two sides have until July fifteenth to work out a long term deal. So Marcus I'll start with you know real surprise and I don't think a huge surprise that the coach would be evasive. Either Yeah Mike. Mccarthy is being evasive index. Should be being evasive. We've talked about this until that thing is ain't in dried up. Dak Prescott shouldn't participate. This is this is business that that we're watching transpired between Dallas cowboys and Dak Prescott in France in that camp so when you think about off season workouts right and I know is virtual so. It's a different element added into what's already transpiring. This is no different than not showing up on at the facility lifting weights and taking part in the meetings during all season. That's how these negotiations go especially when they've been this long. It still puzzles me. And they're still gives a lot of Paul's in wide. This is taking so long. There is something I've been racking my brain about this win the end and safety there is something wrong we it was the number then it was the years it is one side or the other are both that are apprehensive about getting this deal done that. There is more to this and I'm not saying it's like I'm reporting. I don't know that but just using my common sense when you think about everything that's been transpired over the last almost year and I am. Now we've been talking about that press cots contract and they're still not there. This is this is getting long in the tooth and the draft is Thursday about away. Yes it is and shefty you know that is a boatload of common sense okay. We we know Marcus Spears. So what say you about the situation in Dallas? Marcus with this is about. It really is disagreement on the number of years. I know that sounds kind of crazy. I don't think the value is that far off. I think they could figure out the dollars to make this work. Dak Prescott is adamant that he wants us to be a four year deal because he wants another bite of the apple when he's at a young age the salary cap is going up by leaps and bounds in future years after next year it might go down with what's going to happen in the uncertainty and football this season and the Dallas cowboys one on a five year contract because they know the potential long-term of the cap going. They WanNa control those numbers now. There could be a thirty forty fifty million dollar difference in four or five years. And so. That's what this is about right now. Is that extra year and that contract. Neither side has been really to budge today. And I'll tell you one thing that becomes very interesting with Dak Prescott with the uncertainty right now in the NFL. We don't know whether there will be a full season. A shortened season whether there'll be fans in the stadiums whether there won't be fans in the stadiums but if they're no fans in the stadiums guess what that means that means that the total revenue that each of the thirty. Two teams is collecting. Pull drop next year and that means the salary cap will drop next year and that means the Dallas cowboys don't have a long term deal worked out with Dak Prescott. That could be a problem. Because if they have to franchise again it might be challenging to afford him on a franchise tag for a second straight year was something to think about if the salary cap actually drops in twenty twenty one which. I think when you speak to people around the league. They think there's a real chance that it could drop and it could drop precipitously. Twenty thirty forty fifty sixty million dollars. We don't know so what happens if that happens. It's going to put a crunch on every team in the league. It's GonNa put them in a difficult situation when you're thinking about signing Dak today you better be factoring in twenty twenty one and a salary cap. That's going to go down because that also has a real chance of happening and impacts the negotiation which we weren't talking about then and I'll tell you another thing teams are apprehensive about signing most players to long-term deals right now because of the uncertainty again. Christian. Mccaffrey is an exception. You would think Dak Prescott would be an exception but guess what right now. They can't get it done. There's a lot of question marks. We don't know the financial structure we don't even know if they'll be football for sure. So it's hard for Dallas to commit all this money when it doesn't know what the situation is and the irony. It may turn out to be an even more difficult situation. They don't get the deal done. Were they want to losing them? After a year. There are so many variables in this uncertain landscape that I don't think anybody anticipated. But you're right. They will have taken into account. Hold on. I'll get back to you. Let me show you one more tweet. This is from Ed Werder. And we're GONNA talk about Jerry for a minute okay. Because he taught cavaliers gotTa Talk Jerry. It says the cowboys owner Jerry Jones said reaching contract agreement with Dak Prescott. Not Oh boy. I'm reading this in real time. Not An immediate priority with draft preps For the being the focal point all right and described trading number seventeen for a veteran player as unlikely all right mark you know what now let you go go go ahead well first of all about brother from another shefty saying saying this is about a number of years and then listed off like seven other things that we gotta worry about this contract. It shefty can't help but give information he's the best. That's why the best in the game because he gives information and breaks it down and then now you have this this message from Jerry Jones. Listen I I was born thirty seven years ago so that was a yesterday. It is more to this than getting a deal done talking about money. I know we're talking about years but says shefty's Point Carolina just paid a running back for a four year deal and if nobody is willing to budge the there is no reason at all for Dak Prescott to either signed on tinder or not show up at all that those are the two options based on everything. That's been coming out about this impasse over the number of years and then you look at free agency. Another caveat because I called my agent dodgy when a lot of guys were flying all free agency a lot of these guys were signing three year deals because teams were willing to say that the cap may go up and agents were using that as a play to get more money down the road as well. So I'm just listen. I've been around this organization. I've been around this franchise. Jerry is not gun shy about paying guys that he feels like our franchise guys for a long period of time. I know we are in a different era. I know we're dealing with a pandemic. I know things are up in the air and no one knows what the future may hold with with cash reserves. Everything with that being said Jerry. Jones has always operated outside of the norm when it comes to paying players that he wants to be in this franchise I e one hundred million dollars to Maury Cooper. I eat Jaylen Smith getting the deal. Lau Collins getting a deal like this is not. This is the quarterback. We're talking about and Wendy. You know this sitting next to me in Bristol time and time again and anybody that you do not play around with your franchise quarterback when there is any pause or apprehension in giving your franchise quarterback signed to a deal. There is more than just a number of years in money where past that time. We're past that time. We're in a pandemic right now. Where there's a lot of concern most a lot of teams and when Jerry Jones is coming out and saying that re-signing deck is not an immediate priority. That is reflective of the Times that we're living in and that is reflective of a stance that is prevalent on a number of other teams. Okay they don't WanNa go out there and sign other players to long-term deals right. I'm just telling you right now. Shefty yes would would be having this conversation if it was Aaron Rodgers. Will we be having this conversation? If it was all the guys that we see as franchise guys in this league. Would we have been talking about them getting the do fall most a year? Now just 'cause you've been around longer than me. I'm looking at deals being signed regardless of this pandemic I'm looking at. I'm still looking at deals. I just watched the running back and Carolina gets sixteen million a year. I know that when we talked about different lamented. They're running backs aren't getting paid. I know let me tell me why that Chris got the deal more number years Adam schefter. Well I'm telling you that this thing has gone through a whole turn of events. Okay that various points. There have been different reasons. It hasn't gotten done. The most recent reason was the years now not only. Is it been the years? But I believe it's the external factors that are beyond everybody's control that nobody knows what we're dealing with. It's all the uncertainty that surrounds the cowboys team. You say well what about the Panthers Christian McCaffrey look? They wanted to make a statement. They've lost a number of veteran players. A lot of popular players in that area have went and so they knew they were going to resign. The Guy so they just did. Dallas is in a little bit of a different situation. Dallas feels like it's America's team down. There he should work with them. He should get done. The deal that works for both sides. Dak has never been paid. He paid his contract to the end so he feels like he should be entitled to what he wants. Both sides are stuck in their stances. It's gone on off. It's gone on so long that now we've got a pandemic to introduce into those negotiations which it even more difficult and more challenging to get a deal done and so that's where we are right now. They're not going to get a deal done as it is again. They'll continue to talk about you Jerry Jones. Today it's not an immediate priority and you know why it's not an immediate priority because there is a very very few players around the league right now residing to lucrative long deals in this environment is not an immediate priority for virtually anybody right now. It's an immediate priority. Fellas hate to interrupt but how about this Alabama Receiver Jerry duty? Because he's going to be here. We gotta go so we can find time to talk to him and we talk about because we've got into July fifteenth before those two sides have to get a deal done middle of your dreams. There's a promise land. Something for years moments faded but a future. Waiting to be discovered Laos's she passed away when I was in high school so semi result this tough nonetheless. She Gone Cambrian struggling so she had never ridden walk tall. Risvan all now at a better place in sacrifice turns to success to see the Mahar everything I do. Now go back the best receiver. The best route runner in this class in the best route runner that I've evaluated in twenty years of doing this. Is Jerry Judy from Alabama complete? Love him as a receiver route. Running hands concentration. Go the after the cat. He's a special talent or more. Can you say about the guy you know? I think I've used up all the words in the vocabulary. I got tons of receiver. It needs to be successful in the league shooting. Who's going to call in now? Future on the line for my sound but gated waiting for the call is it drew our Jeanne about tonight. It's time shy. Well we all need some good news. Here's the Good News Jerry. Judy you're waiting for that call. But it certainly won't take long but we're glad you're with us today and you're part of an extremely loaded talented wide receiver class as you enter the draft projected to go as one of the first off the board How does it feel now that we're what forty eight hours or so away? It is still having hit me yet but I'm pretty sure when that when that day come on hit me real hard jerry I'm sure never in your wildest dreams did you anticipate going through a draft process like the one we've seen none of us did so you know I can't ask you to compare because you've only done it once but how has it been doing so much of this virtually and knowing that you'll be at home with your family when you do get that call it wasn't it's not. That's more difficult being able to spend time with. My family is a good thing at a time. I couldn't really joy process how really wanted to do too. Is Colonel Virus in this situation but at the same time? I'm still joining a little bit. Yeah I bet you you'll figure out something is my guess but listen. You have so many teammates in this draft class not unusual of course for Alabama. But how does it feel to not only have their support but perhaps it communicate with those guys because they are the group that can understand what you are dealing with? Good have died that you can grounded. Hard for heart practice Horowitz. And now they're being able to live out your dreams on being able to see what audio been through the air now. Not Everybody realizes that you grew up playing football with Lamar Jackson. He's already of course taken the next step. Have you communicated with him? We'll you see him at all on on Thursday. I'm not really sure at total actually met up with him a couple of days ago to just throw the ball around but not other than that has been communicated about a couple of Dr. Has he given you any advice or even told you what you might expect at the next level you know. Everybody tend to say Dan route to stay focused manager. Time of even though you get Jacqui you still got you on. That one accomplish too once. I hit the new So what's I gave Jaffe that one step onto whatever I got love Jerry? Let me ask you this speaking of managing your time and staying focused. You have to do all that now with different parameters than we would have anticipated. How are you working out? How are you staying in shape? And what are you doing right now? All right? Nah I got a guy work out with not too many people armed. I just work out in the morning. we got this facility. That's good thing I haven't close friend to have a facility that go to work out at all right now. You mentioned and we heard earlier when when we spoke with you about your little sister who I know. You lost tragically when you were in high school and you've made it very clear that you want to make her proud and that you'll be thinking about her on Thursday when you do hear your name called what what does that mean to you to represent. Not only your sister but your mother and your family on Thursday. It means a lot it shows so my how much they really means to me. so telling them when. I was younger. I'm going to be the NFL player in that. One day I'll be able to take care of them and now I've finally got off to do so It just showed them how serious I am about them. And how much? I can't love for them to be to do what I'm doing right now to you today. Listen you have had your hands full. I have two daughters so I know it's not easy. You have a daughter. Born march twenty seventh. Is that correct? Look at that face. That's a lot to manage. Are you getting any sleep at all? What's it like being a dad? A very exciting really right now she. She will mom but she do cry at night. They do Congress. It'd be kind of difficult but at the same time. This Join Apostle Dodge journey in a pleasure to all right yeah. I don't know why those babies don't get the memo if they could just keep it down. You know once you get past ten. Pm It's it's crazy. Listen Jerry thanks for being with US. We appreciate it. And we look forward to Thursday Amari Cooper the only receiver from Alabama to be taken. I at his position in an NFL draft. And now there's a good chance that Jerry Judy who you just heard from will become the second to do. So as Mel Kiper junior lists him as the top rate receiver in this draft class. He ranks ahead right now of OKLAHOMA CD. Lamb and his teammate. Henry rugs the third so mel kiper back with us. Listen you've been high dairy judy for a long time? Nick Sabin is extremely high on jury duty. I know a. Where do you think he goes? Somewhere in the middle of the. I think it was maybe as high as Jacksonville but I think when you look at teams picketing eleven where the jets are thirteen. The forty niners fourteen Tampa Bay with Tom. Brady coming in and fifteen denver might be the ideal fit. Wendy Wendy. You'LL GET DENVER. Drew Watch showed a lot of promise. He looked really good last year. Sixty four percent completion percentage of Cortlandt Sautin was the primary guy two catches thirty more than number two guy at the receiver position tied in no fan. Running back Freeman had a little bit more than that. But the bottom line is they need somebody to complement. Judy could be that guy for Denver. I Jim Nagy as promised joining us now as well and GM. You've scouted Jerry Judy. A little bit as well. What has impressed you. Well you look at why? Wide receivers tend to struggle at the next level of transitioning. It's because they can't get open in Jerry. Judy can get open. This guy can absolutely lose people. You Watch the tape him at the top of a row he so. Chris he's so sudden. We showed a clip earlier of immigrants. Lsu That was the first nap of the game on a double move he made. He made the corner almost fall down. So as he as fast as Henry Rugs No Going back to the pro day a couple of springs ago rugs was four to five. Judy's four five three so big difference there but then you put on the tape and you see how functionally explosive he is you so has acceleration off. The line is so good that he's going to transition quickly. And you really tying back to Calvin Ridley his former teammate. I know todd mcshay through the process has said. Jerry's the best route runner he's ever seen. I Calvin released the best route runner I've ever seen. But they're so close in release lead all the way to number twenty six in two thousand eighteen because he was twenty three years old but they're so similar as players really had over sixty catches over eight hundred yards and seven touchdowns as a rookie. So whoever picks Jerry Judy? They feel like he's going to be able to do the same thing right away. Jim Thank you judy. By the way leaves Alabama at the second most receiving touchdowns in school history. Only Amari Cooper had more and that apparently has worked out pretty. Well we say. Hello now to Kyle Brandt from NFL. Networks Good Morning Football. We're happy of course to be joining forces with the NFL network for the draft this week. And Kyle just over forty eight hours to go and we talked about Jerry Judy. You are exceptionally high on his quarterback to a tug of tell me about that. I am and I'm also just thrilled. Jerry. Judy begins his. Nfl Journey with the baby named journey. It's it's incredible it's beautiful. I know a lot of people are high end. And it's forty. I would think the question is how high you getting enough. Didn't get number three enough to get that high and I really hope that they are when he because you know. A lot of people during the Corinthian period are giving a binge-watch suggestions. Watch this show watch that. Show my binge-watch suggestion for two would be if you are any team out. There is considering taking a different quarterback than to make sure you sit down. Dim the lights grab a snack and binge-watch to college tape just one more time watch when he came in as a freshman watched the years after that you see that athlete and still think. I don't know it just makes me a little nervous. I respect it but I think you're making a very conservative safe play. We could go on and on about a lot of great players who were very scary coming out of college with the injuries Gronkowski Gore and they fell and they all the way to. Can't I understand that someone taking too? If he gets injured a lot in the pros you get them fired passing on to get him fired too. I really really think he's a special player. Justin Herbert I like him. I want to watch next year. I think there will be a Justin Herbert in the draft next year and the year after that and the year after that. It's just a question of risk and Wendy. I remember growing up. I used to play organ trail and Justin. Herbert played it. Oregon you come to the river and you could either wait play conservative. Wait for the water to change or you could be aggressive and Ford. The river to follow in this draft is fording the river it might capsize. It's terrifying but it's aggressive. It is a bold move. It is the chiefs going up to get my arms. It is the ravens going back into. Get Lamar this is a bold time this NFL draft. And I hope somebody makes a bold move onto. I think they'll be glad they did. Hey listen go bigger go home point well taken and you're right. It's a double edged sword but it will certainly be interesting on Thursday thank you we say hello to Lyon Central Manzar Bob Quinn and Bob. Where here the draft now just a few days away and I know all thirty two teams went through a test run yesterday. Inevitably they'll be some challenges but what were they. It went pretty smooth on our into things We had no issues with our technology with the lions. I know you know. They had a couple of glitches with the conference. Call and people not going on Mute but overall is pretty smooth we feel comfortable with our setup and comfortable with the League with leagues provided with us. I love it will be critical. There's no question on Thursday night. Look the Lions I pick at number three and I know you certainly can't discuss your plans. There are lots of rumors about trades. And you seem to be an hotspot. Are you open to that? Yeah sure absolutely obviously open to moving back had a few conversations about that in the last three or four days. Nothing nothing report on that we're still having conversations with multiple teams and we'll see what happens. Is We a closer to Thursday night but You know right now. We're just putting the finishing touches on the draft board having a couple of conversations with OP personnel guys in our coaches kind of finalize. A few things and then we'll be ready to go all right. Go ahead at him. I would say bob there. You are in your Home Office where you'll be on Thursday night Friday Saturday for the dress. Give us a little tour of what you got going on there and what it'll be like these three days the draft. Okay let me grab my phone here. Give me one second all right. I'm GonNa flip the phone around here that you want it. Sideways Law Goes Wider Lines Lords so TV with my video setup to watch film over there. You've got the trustee printer that always need. That'll be laptop number one two screens there. The draft phone so that draft phone has speed dials to every every team in about six. Sir I think six numbers to the League Office for Trades etc another Microsoft surface over here with the screen. And then I got a couple of boards. One of my turned around over there. So you guys can't see some really good for major on that one. I got a couple of blank whiteboards. I'll be right some stuff from the draft and then as I spin around here you guys saw the back on and get a couple decorations with game. Football some super bowl mementos from my days of the Patriots. I got a book down there from some author that I'm not really sure things initials are. As family photos over here to that too so a right there. Zoom in right there I got bury sanders bobblehead. So he's looking over my shoulder. Well Bob let me ask you this do you have you know there's kids there's pets there's crazy neighbors. Do you have any of those distractions? And how do you get the word out that you cannot be bothered during this time Yeah Luckily for me. My kids are twelve and fourteen so they've been great to this whole process. They've been really giving me my privacy coming in once in a while and it's great to have meals with them it's great to see him first thing in the morning before they start school. It's great to see my lunchtime and scream at night during this time of year. I'm usually not home very much at all. So it's been a blessing in that way and also you know the neighborhood I think My direct neighbors kind of know what's going on we're going to have an IT specialist here with me so he actually decided to rent a mini Winnebago to sit in my driveway. So he'll be camped out and I'm not sure neighborhood. Association is going to like that blood. That's that's life they'll they'll be night as the. It guy is in a winnebago in the driveway. He will be starting Thursday night. Probably say five o'clock yeah. I love the creativity that we've seen all across the board. Bob I mean it never fails. It's the mother of invention as we know. Yeah Yep so. We feel a lot of credit to our. It staff there had been great from the start. You know. I've been working from home for almost weeks now. I think it'll be five weeks Thursday so You know we gradually imported more technology as as the weeks worn on and kind of had our final tests yesterday so I feel really comfortable in you know credit to our coaches and our scouts and our whole really personnel department. For kind of rampant. In this thing. Up from a technology standpoint bobby mentioned meals with your kids. What kind of draft day food are you gonNa be having on the menu for three days there? Yeah that's that's a big conversation in the in the Quin household on my wife. I know you're as as everyone is. You're ordering food from the grocery stores in having delivered or you're gonNA get pickup so fortunately in the last couple of years in Detroit. My my kids stop by the draft room in Allen Park and they kind of seen need the great setup we have in terms of food so my wife's a little bit under pressure right now and she's stressed out. Yeah you know what because you're at home that's no excuse me now you've got to get done I need. I need the normal things that I'm used to so it's GonNa be you know the pressure's on well go ahead. I don't like what he's normally used to. Let's let's let's set the expectation for your wife. Right now bob. Yeah she's probably in the other room kind of listening. Probably Giggling as we can speak here but Probably Chicken parm would be up there for me for sure You know after we after we pick in the first row. Whether it's at at three or later you know always like to have some pizza or sliders after that. Kind of celebrate the pick You Know Day to day. Two's always macaroni and cheese. Day For me so you know in day three day. Threes kind of junk food. Because you know you're you're grinding through it you don't really have a Lotta time. The picks the time machine picks is is smaller and so. It's really a junk food Saturday. We'll be all right Bob. Well listen first of all best of luck with the menu and also with the draft. Of course we'll be watching and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks for being with us. Thank you for having me. And now to make it official the Commissioner of the National Football League Roger Goodell. Everybody you ready. Are you ready Philly tonight all right? It's a tradition. Like no other sort of anyway and Bud Light Seltzer did not want it to be missed. Just because we're in a virtual situation so here we go the. Nfl draft will be without an imported tradition. And we just can't let that stand record your booze then post and tag at Bud. 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Draft Speculation, Scouting Disruptions, & The Mailbag | Wednesday Mailbag

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Draft Speculation, Scouting Disruptions, & The Mailbag | Wednesday Mailbag

"Guys got a fantastic show for you this week. We're GONNA kick things off by going through the first picks in the draft and we got a special guest breakdown entire class and give you in and out. Each team is handling the unique circumstance that we're all in this country and twenty twenty and has always wrap it up with a six pack of your twitter questions. Let's go all right. Welcome in 'em. Qb podcast with Al Breer. We are now fifteen days out from the two thousand and twenty NFL draft. It's going to be a totally different traffic. We all know that Before we get started on that though and I know you guys WanNa talk draft. I figured it's important to at least address. What's going on in our country? Help everybody staying safe. Hope everybody staying inside hope. Everybody's contributing to local businesses and doing what they can to make sure we're in the best spot when all this ends that said I also hear you guys you know. I've been over this over the last few weeks of my columns here on the podcast. How the drafts going to be different. How the season could be affected. I also know that you guys WanNa talk football. And that's a big part of why you come here so I want to give you guys that. Release a six pack. I think I'm going to answer a question. That does Roy tall this but it's the drabs one of my favorite times of the year. It's when one of my loves converges with another one of my love. College football broke up off so I love the two worlds coming together and I love the intrigue of it. I love the information trade that I'm going through this time of year the fact that I can be sort of resource. Some of these teams is awesome and then being able to kind of put that put those puzzle pieces together. Figure out what it is at the end. I love that part of it and just really quick to take it through the process before we get to the teams. I'm GonNa take you guys through the top twelve picks here and kind of how I see. It's not a mock draft kind of how I see it going into the process Really this time of year. I'm kind of. I'm on the phone a lot. I'm talking to general managers. I'm talking to coach talking to scouts trying to kind of a mosaic of what's happening and a Lotta Times information trade can be one team that knows this about that team. That team knows that about this team. And so it's sort of all folds together that's how it works for people on my side of the fence this time of year which is great because were sort of going back and forth and I. Yeah there's a little bit of a middle school lunch room aspect to it but I love it. It's great it's fantastic. It's again and I mean this is for me. That goes back to when I was eleven. Twelve years old and I would sit at home on spring weekends that Saturday the full day Saturday the full day Sunday and watch it. You Know I. I still remember CAJANEK cargo with the first overall pick. I still remember the whole of. Albert's thing when he came out of Nebraska and Mel Kiper and Trent dilfer and that whole thing I believe that was ninety to remember Steve. Et Mingling top drafts in one thousand nine hundred ninety one so this goes back to like when I was in middle school that I've loved the draft. Continue to love the draft and so we'll get right to it. I want to tell you guys just a little something on what I'm hearing on each of the pics. Then we're going to get to our special guests which also relates to the NFL draft. And the first pick I do think that the Cincinnati bengals are going to sit tight and take Joe Borough There's been a lot of relationship building. It's gone on their their connections in that building to Joe Borough One of his college roommate. Sam Hubbard is on the team in Cincinnati. He's been a conduit for the Bengals to get information Zack Taylor actually for a year was on the road recruiting in the same area as Joe. Boroughs Dad Jimmy Borough. This one job Jimmy. Borough was at Ohio University. And when Sak Taylor was at the University of Cincinnati and they've done things to sort of signal to Joe Borough how serious they are about winning and signing guys like Dj reader and trae Wayne's Von Belen Free Agency. There's just a lot there and I believe that Joe Boroughs Worthy of the first overall pick. I think he's that sort of prospect. The bengals it couldn't be easier for them a guy who's worthy first overall. Pick a home town kid. I think ultimately the bengals sit tight. Take Joe Borough with the first overall. Pick a number two. This is going to be kind of interesting because again the the redskins are doing all the work they need to do onto a tunnel below And is somebody the building put. Put it to me. We WanNa make sure. We're not passing on Michael Jordan. They also understand that looking at the quarterbacks does create some tension for the teams behind them so if there is an offer to be made for that second overall pick maybe that smokes out that offer so they figure out at least. What's out there? But I think that they will sit tight like the bengals tied at one at number two and take chase young. Who's local for them and he makes sense for a lot of different reasons and I. I think there's a paralleled where the niners were the second overall pick last year where the niners could look at it and say all right. We've got four former first round picks on our defensive line. Solomon Thomas deforest buckner. Eric Arm said and D Ford and we can bring in Nick Bosa to sort of be the final piece the one that kind of brings it all together and turns this into a dominant force. We'll look at where the redskins are and what they've done in the draft over the last few years they've got four first round picks up front Montas Sweat Doron Pain Jonathan Allen and Ryan Kerrigan bringing and chase young could do for them with bringing Nick Bosa did for the niners ultimately I think chase young goes home to the DC area and the second overall pick for the redskins the lions at three to me. That's where the draft starts. The lines would love to get out of three. I don't know how far they're willing to go down. That could be part of the issue you know if they sit tight I think the pick would be Jeff Okuda. They would love for the dolphins at five or the chargers at six to come up and get him. And so get it. Come up and get get a quarterback and so if they can stay within the top six picks that would allow them to still pluck one of those elite defensive players. I believe there are four in this year's Class Chase Young Jeff Okuda Derrick Brown and and Simmons so if they're able to stay within those top six picks it can still get one of the defensive players in AD capital ultimately. I don't know whether or not they're going to be able to get done. I could see the chargers maybe coming up for two. But that's they'd like to do and they would love to come away with Jeff Okuda one way or the other but ultimately I think this is a little different than the redskins where the redskins are weighing chase young versus everything else. I the lines are more trying to trade down and would love to get Jeff Okuda whether they can trade down or not and we'll see whether or not that pans out but it makes sense for them. They they invest in their defensive line. They brought in Danny Shelton invested in their linebacker position. Jamie Collins so two guys that would be employed there Mary. Maybe Derrick Brown risa Simmons. They've already sort of taking care of those Positions Jeff. Okuda desma true in but he's on a third contract and just Trade Area Slice Okuda make some sense at number four. I think ultimately is going to come down to either an offensive tackle rise. Ahah Simmons as Simmons is a great fit for Patriot defense. What's interesting about Simmons? He's the type of player he doesn't he needs to a defense is going to use them in a lot of different ways right. So if you're a defense that use your linebackers static way like old Tampa. Two defense is like West Seattle. Does I'm not sure he'd be a great fit for that sort of defense like a Seattle type of defense because you don't have them doing a million different things if you put them in a Patriot type of defense and you move them around a bunch then. He special and so the lines at three the giants at four. The dolphins have five can all accommodate that because with Patrick. Graham in New York and with Matt Patricia in Detroit and with With Brian Flores in Miami. You've got guys running the defense who have Patriot roots. And so ultimately I think this comes down to either an offensive tackle or Isaiah Simmons the one on paper that makes sense for Dave gettleman based on what he's favorite in the past as MCI Becton could be the fourth overall pick. So I think I'll see right now. My guess would be backed in or Simmons at number five. Look the dolphins have been connected to a ton of law I can tell you. They don't know the research into a tunnel below. It goes very very deep there to the point where the team President Tom Garfunkel to Garfinkle the owner Stephen. Ross the general manager Chris Greer were all at the ballgame the Alabama ballgame and two wasn't even playing it so we're doing the research onto a even. Though he wasn't playing a game they wanted to be around him The owner was at the LSU Alabama game. They've done a ton of work onto so that means they're taking them. Maybe not maybe not. Maybe they know enough about the physical part of this that they are a little weary about the idea of taking somebody who's had the two ankles surgeries and who had the hip hip surgery and I wouldn't underrate the ankle. Things those are you know. That's a new surgery. There's some concern over that obviously the hip we won't know until he's nine to twelve months out if he's totally in the clear of the condition called. Avian. That's what Bowe Jackson had. And so there's some level of concern there so not saying they're gonNA take Justin Herbert over two hours. Just kind of keep my eye on that at six the chargers maybe they go up. Maybe they sit tight. I think is probably to if they move up. If they don't at six could it be to a still maybe to a slips there we'll see at seven I think the panthers to me that's Derrick Brown team I the they're very much sort of building up the infrastructure of the team. Right now I think you know Matt Rule would like to build up the lines of scrimmage derrick. Brown is a really good kid. A four year player Auburn intangibles production. He's got everything now. He didn't run a great. Forty the combine. But this is a very very good safe peck and so I think right now. If I had to put down paper I would say Derrick Brown to Carolina at seven with the eighth pick with the eighth pick at the Arizona cardinals and if only one tackles off. The border and other tackles are off the boards at dream scenario for Arizona and I to them. I matched up becton with the giants. I'm just sort of going right now on kind of putting some pieces together. Jedinak wolves would make some sense as a tackle for cardinals because they've got a left tackle already in. Digi humphries and wills is ready as any of the tackles piece a little bit more strictly right tack if you're committed Dj Humphries and they just signed him to be your left. Tackle long-term Jaguars would make some sense as you're right tackle and that right tackle position over the years. It's become a little bit more important. And so I like the idea of genetic will's going to the Arizona. Cardinals makes a lot of sense to me at number nine the Jacksonville Jaguars. They could be offensive line. They could be defensive. Line I think they would like to trade out of that spot. Maybe pick up a little bit more capital. They've got two first round. Picks is a big DRA- for them if they sit tight and the four defensive players that I mentioned Simons Okuda Brown and And Young are all off the board. That point Giovane. Ken Law would make some sense there. Too based on what? They've lost in the Defensive Line. Claes Campbell's Gone Marcell dareus has gone Giovanni Kinloch could be a good safe pick for them ninth overall. Then we get to like this. Little tackle cluster there. Ten Eleven Cleveland and the jets. I think both teams would be of a mind to take a tackle. We've got becton and worth so we've got back in fact in a wills off the board right now to me that the the the browns at ten the right tackles in place in Jack. Conklin Andrew. Thomas might not be the most explicit most exciting prospect. Georgia left tackle. But he's very finished. He's a very much per type left. Tackle he'll be. You're starting left tackle for a long time very safe. If Andrew Berry doesn't trade down and we saw their history train down when the when when when he was with when he was with Sashi Brown there in Cleveland. So it's always possible trade down but I could certainly see that being Andrew Thomas kind of is the guy who's the perfect bookend to Jack. Conklin a nice safe pick to help fix the offensive line and help Baker Mayfield. That was the biggest problem last year. Biggest problem wasn't Baker Mayfield. It was the offensive line and then at eleven the jets if Tristan works falls zoom eleven. I think that makes sense. You know they've got some. They've signed a lot of players there. Conor McGregor Conor McGregor Connor McGovern sorry Connor McGovern as their center. George Fan as their swing tackle. Trista wharfs is a zone blocking Offensive Lineman they are going to run a zone type scheme. That's that's the type of scheme that Adam gays and Dowell loggains. Their offense of staff have put in Tristen works would make a license questions. Were playing like is he. A guard is you're right tackle. You left tackle Most people feel like the two guys who aren't prototype left tackles in that group of four there Taking back in and Thomas out of it but most people feel like wills and worse can play left tackle but they haven't really done it full time for an extended period of time so both those guys I think probably you know makes sense to me that that team like maybe a team like Arizona would take one. That doesn't need a lot of tackling. Maybe the jets. Who Have you know Neo Ottoman period and could move somebody around worse it makes some sense for them finally twelve and again like we kind of got into this point now where I look at it and say okay the offensive Lineman or gone if the defensive players gone to me like there's eleven players in this draft. That sort of I think are going to be gone fairly quickly. The three quarterbacks the four offensive tackles and then four defensive players that I mentioned those eleven players are gone. Now you got the raiders saying there and they could I mean again. Maybe one of those players slips to them. I don't know they really need offensive. Lineman maybe one of the defensive players slips them if not it would make some sense for them to maybe take a receiver here. They do need a receiver. Obviously Antonio Brown thing fell through last year tyrone Williams was a nice free agent signings. He's not really number one. They've got hunter remember. They're getting a prototype. Number one would really help Jerry. Judy runs every route. And the route tree thing. He and CD. Lamour neck and neck see land. The that I've heard is deandre hopkins with with Jerry Comparison Marvin Harrison You know so. I've asked around a little bit. Who is a better fit for Gruden? Might be a little bit of a better fit. I think a lot of teams feel like Lamm might be the better player a little bit more of a dog than Judy. But Judy I think has a is a is a good fit for what Jon Gruden Watson's receiver so it could be those two so this is the first twelve again not really a mop giving you an idea of what I feel where I'm at on each of those we'll try and do is every week. Maybe the next two weeks ago to more podcasts. Before the draft me we'll do these Off the top guys like them again your feedback and get to me on social and our Barron twitter at Albert underscore beer on instagram at Albert Aubrey on facebook. You can get there if you guys like me doing this. I can do this for each week as I continue to build up information and we will get tomato special guests to talk more draft right after this host sports illustrated new podcast corona virus and sports. The outbreak of Cova nineteen has disrupted all aspects of normal life including sporting events around the world. But sports isn't just about competition. It's also an industry that affects millions of people from Athlete to Stadium Workers. The sports community continues to be impacted. And we're here to help you understand each story. Subscribe now to Corona Virus and sports on Apple PODCASTS. Spotify stitcher on you listen to show welcome in an old buddy of mine and A Guy who has become a pretty big figure on the scouting seen used to work for the Patriots used to work for the chiefs. Used to work for the SEAHAWKS. He's now the executive director of the senior bowl down in Mobile Alabama one of my favorite events the year. Jim Nagy welcome in all right. So here's what I want to start because you were in those rooms for over a decade and you know how these teams work and everything else I really want. Just kind of start with You know functional part of this like how unique circumstances this year without pro days without thirty visits how you think that that's going to affect all thirty two teams and how the processes maybe sort of different this year than it's been in the past you know it's funny follow social media in everyone's all over these. Gm's right now for one push drafts. And they're making him sound like BRI babies. They're really not. This thing has a bunch of different tentacles that you hit on the not So there's just missing information you know there. There's plenty of information on a lot of players but it's not full so these guys are just trying to make informed decisions in care what you do in life whether you know whatever words in a parent like you. WanNa be as informed as you can so in terms of draft It's going to be different. You know there's. There's a lot of different responsibilities in draft through. There's a lot of moving parts and you know so guy. Gm'S ARE GONNA have to work through that on their own. They can do this. They can do the improper but it it just loses got him a personal field and again like talking to some of these guys. That are friends of mine. It's part of that. You know we worked on this together as a group all year. And you're losing kind of that you know and again people are going to get up and say why don't cry about it but it's just like you work so hard as a team for a year and now you're GonNa do Kinda Malone St Louis kind of that teamwork aspect of the draft which is not gonNA affect graft itself. It's kind of a bummer. On their end but Yeah this this thing reaches in a lot of directions out I do. I do WANNA touch on on that part of it in a minute but I think the one thing that I'm getting back most is that how it's going to affect the kids is probably the medical and then a lot of those files are incomplete. Obviously you're down in Alabama so the hot button one. I think everybody's tongue of Loa but there are a lot of kids who've come in who come into the process with medical history that needs to be checked in checked so you know with the knowledge that over three hundred kids went through a physical at the combine. How much do you think is missing right now from what the teams would normally have? I can I can bring it back to just one story in particular what happened in Seattle a few years ago We drafted Kid Garrett Scott tackle developmental tack a lot of Marshall. Really Good Athlete. You're excited about the upside of the player. Nobody wasn't not guys. So what happens is all these. Gm's have a network of buddies. They came up worked in other teams with. So we're not gonNA give you only have thirty visits. You'RE NOT GONNA use all thirty visits on non combi guys to get their medical. So you know you'll you'll do media divvy it up between your friends so you know if you and I if I was in in Seattle you're in New England. We had a couple of other buddies in Detroit San Diego. And we'd all we don't bring five guys in and get their medicals in we'd share that information Here we didn't get Gareth Scott's medical stuff and then now are we got from another team like our doctors to get their hands on Garrett then what we drafted him six round and brought him in after the draft came up? We fought hard. Our doctors on heart condition in garrick applicable again. So get. That's six big. You know you don't get anything out of so. That's an extreme case where I would never play football again But yeah so there are. There are a lot of. There's a lot of guys that don't get the combine. Let's just be honest. Muniz a lot of good players out. There don't combine. Don't vote on all star game so it's not only the medical piece. It's a workout so also when you're a stout you go to a smaller school. Fcs Or visit to. They may be a really good player on tape. You know that level but if they don't get invited to a senior bowl you don't really see them against other guys are GonNa play in the in the NFL. You're only seeing smaller school guy so the other way to do that without an all star game is workout information. You know if it's receiver that were jumps already and broad jump. Ten six runs for four. Okay that's a guy that's the guy that plays in the league that's was numbers at play in the League so now rather than that guy being prior to free agent now were drafted in the sixth or seventh taking a late shot. So it is those those are the kids. It's going to impact those nine columbine. Can you think of an example where the workout made me? You mentioned where the medical made a difference. Can you of example? Where maybe the workout made a difference whether you are the one conducting the workout or not. That happens more so than than the medical stuff really. That's more of a big deal for those guys incite. Think back again. Does it happens every year. We have a small school guy. Pop really big number in. That's when you start getting excited about taking a shot on a guy so oft up my head I I wish I had some county while we own. You've talked him. Okay so when you like with the with the medical piece of it would you be nervous right now with a post op guy like a tour where you don't get the recheck and where maybe you're not completely positive and I've heard doctors say this like they want to get their own hands on a guy right like one guy might think he's a k another guy a guy guys not sure like D- think that it's going to affect somebody like to wear a team might say okay like I? You know if if it was my own Doctor. Getting his hands on them fine. We could do it but if it's not my doctor then. I'm a little concerned about this. I'm not sure that I'm willing to take that swing. It could Albert certainly. Could it again? A lot of these. A lot of these teams doctors. Grades Vary It's really surprising sometimes to see the variants and some tapes. Come out on these players. I mean some guys will be medical rejects for one team. Then it'll be fine so You know I think it's easy for us in the media to talk about situation Yeah you know. We saw him on video. He's outraged back with. That's not the reality. For God's make that Vic in his owner owner where we're or we're talking about to pick and it's twenty twenty five million dollar signing bonus POPs again. You know you're up so that's a that's a big decisions. I think the people the League are weighing that thing a lot more heavily object. And I'm sure you have to talk to a lot of guys around the league players that have had this injury. These really tough The one that POPs in my mind is the tight end from the Ravens who later I think I think. He said he did this thing three times. I mean that's It's it's a serious for us in the media to kind of boost situation with all you know he were overreacting. You just gotTa Take Give me. A great player will Wayward then there's another part of this too and I think you at one point brought up the example. John Reid to me when you were in Seattle right like where the interview can make a difference to bring in a guy for thirty visit and sitting down with him and having the ability to talk to him in your environment you know where. It's maybe a little bit. I guess controlled more on your end than it is on his. That can make a difference like losing the interviews. A big deal to write. It is in bringing this back to also won. The mental artist is for these quarterbacks. All of them No. They're all trying to head. Coach is GM's that are trying to get this thing done right now and it's hard to really get the mental or dime. You can talk really get deep with video in great about it as they would. If the guy was on a visit you know. Bring HIM IN ONE NIGHT. The hand you know a air down arbiter. Playbook Gentleman Goldman studied at the hotel that night and then bring it back in the morning and really wisdom on what you what you read over. Just to see his recall and that sucks. It's going to be so huge this year. We don't know what this off season is. GonNa look like so. The mental part of the quarterback of you expect him to play next year. He's he might be teaching himself assistant up until July or August. So that's critical. And then like you said of the interview part of it for quarterbacks especially like you wanted feel you'd love to get him into building and you love to see how he interacted with everyone in the building you get downstairs in the locker room and with the football trainers and the strength is you're trying to pull everyone's opinion and I think you know and you'll remember this. The opera story is bloated. The Shawn Watson win or the Texans got him in the building in their cafeteria and all the veterans are around and they're kind of gravitate the kid and so Bill Ryan and the hours the beak on saw out that helps you gain conviction. All you're trying to the whole process is game conviction on a player if you can get the guy in the building get a comfort level with him gay conviction. That's all you're trying to do by draft. Yeah that's interesting because I remember. I talked to a team that a general manager to a quarterback couple years ago right and he said like I would hate to be taking one this year because I remember the year. We took one. We had them stacked one way at the com going into the combine and then a different way when we got to the draft. And it wouldn't have happened without having to go through that process like we felt like we knew every every one of them like incredibly well inside now and so at that position. It's even more important right like I. It seems to me like maybe there are some people that are like like. If you're running one of these teams maybe you look at it and say if you have some job security. Maybe we wait. You know. Maybe we just see if we can tread water quarterback for a year. Then you got Trevor Lawrence coming next year. Maybe you have justin fields coming next year like it might make sense for some of these teams very even a little bit uneasy about it. Based on the size of the decision of taking a quarterback that high might make sense to wait. You just look at this year's class your stuff comes up. That's why they call it. A process stuff comes up and you know you might get a call from his scouting percent from scouts perspective. You may get a call from your GM or your or your director saying. Hey Jim this just came up. We just found out this piece of information in you drive to Tuscaloosa and try to dig this up for us. You know whether that's or go back to his high school. That's happened a bunch of times where you gotta go back to the kids on town. I mean I've met with youth coaches before I school coaches in high school. Guidance Counselor's in this is the time of year where you're getting dispatched to do that. And now you can't do it. It's it's one thing if I had to call us right now and find out some stuff onto. I could do that but like can I go back to his high school. Like notes you know. Take my call. They don't know me. I don't have those relationships so you can do a lot of stuff over the phone if you have relationships established relationships in a lot of these cases you don't have those in so it takes you go into building physically in getting face to face with people to get these answers. That's none of the stuff that's on. I'm just wondering if teams tapped into you because you were out there on the road like you had to pick some of these kids. Obviously you had a pretty intimate setting for a week their mobile. Have you gotten different? Types of phone calls over the last few weeks from some teams trying to find out some stuff about certain kids. Yeah Yeah certainly have we kind of pattern our game a little bit after. What the the combine for years in terms of having group leaders in what we did was we use guys or NFL players and got a lot of played senior mole as group leaders this year. Guys that game you are. Scouts will last year. So what they'll do is I ask them to? You know it. All they do is separate these guys around all week mixture where they need to be not late for meetings and all those things and one we wanna not field assessment. You know you just to see what's on the on the field but also more importantly for the teams you know how were they. Farrah's during the week and and again usually the first air to either guys are under basic use. Same thing at the combine allays let their guard down a little bit so there have been a lot of teams common in asking for that information and I just you know I give microseconds on how the kids were with me. A more and more lately group leaders were really around them in a group setting to see them behind the scenes that I was into. I mean they've been asking for that information. And obviously you know you're pretty well connected in the scouting community connections like you said earlier. It should really help to like somebody like you but also like to do. I know this assistant coach at this school. Do I know this academic advisor at that school like it's probably even I mean I know that stuff's always important right like and New Year's is an area Scout? That was one of the most important things right like knowing the kids. I'd assume that having those phone numbers in your like having those phone numbers in your phone is even more important now being able to kind of pull on those connections now because you can't physically go there that's a great point great point. I think that having those long standing relationships is critical right now and again. That's why the teams that have a veteran scouting staff are really going to benefit. Because I'll I'll draw parallel to guys. Come out his junior's right unit a lot of times you'll kind of know like next year. Most people know Trevor Lawrence is is coming out. So you're going to Clemson. They'll talk about term Lawrence where you'll get surprised a lot. No come to January as well so every single every single position coach every single coach every trainer. We're getting hit up by minimum thirty two guys and so you have to have those relationships. You're the guy they're all bat I like. They're they're not GONNA call all thirty two teams back. It's just not I mean that's that's taxing on them. They're still going through their off. Say They have their they have their daily regimen can't thirty two. Nfl teams back. So you'd better make sure that you have relationships in the school so you are. Maybe one of those top fiber urge sixteen that they actually will all excellent. That stuff is coming in is so so. What do you think happened like? How do you think there's like tangibly affects the draft? Like this is obviously a different. Hopefully it's the only time we go through something like this but like how do you think this'll tangibly affect the way? The draft works this year. One I do think you'll be less trades. I just think because there's they're being complications in terms of is usually in a room. You'll have your two or three prost outs on the phones with their counterparts of air teams. you know like GM might be on. The ONE IS BUDDIES. You know depending on the plight enlist areas scouts to start rich enough to their. You'll have all room reaching out to me that could be using all in different locations but maybe less trade and I do. I do think there's GonNa be a small school in non-combat guys drafted this year. I I think the more information the better I think is we're GONNA lean on. Gm Really GonNa Lean on guys that have familiarity with so Not to sound self serving in any way. But I've had a lot of GM's tell me they're really comfortable taking senior bowl players because this is the only part of the process. They spent an entire week with these guys like in the same city with them so they just feel better. There's more peace of mind taking the name off the board so this might be a year not just senior while the other all star Games as well might see more all Star Game. Get drafted this year. You think more risk averse to like if you're a little uneasy about a guy's character a little uneasy about a guy's medical like would you think like this year would be like guys who have the have those sorts of red flags my slip a little further in the past. I think that's fair. I absolutely think that's fair. I think some teams will play it safe this year and again like played safe meaning that they have all the information on and you feel good about all the information. I assume think teams will take some thoughts on some character guys medical guys. What on the guys. They feel like they have all the information. I'm not the guys that have missing information on it and again it's like Y- up on social media too much but you know you re a lot of this word they're walking. Gm GM's baked the decision. Will it can make the decision. They have enough information right now. It's like two flavors are rated same exact level on board on in one guys went to the combine or worked out of the Combine. Neta pro day acid. It obviously helps the guy that's finishes process and and so there are players in hurt by not that not that the GM can't make the decision. It's just not it's not a you know it's it's didn't complete Brussels and you lose something to like. I would think too like this. Is the other thing that somebody brought to me. It's just the idea of being in the room with the other guys too in the weeks leading up to it like the idea that all right. Well everybody's looking at the board you know and I. I know some people are paranoid about the idea of like putting their board anywhere near like one of these online APPs. Like the one where you're using right now right and so there is value for decision makers in twenty guys or whatever sitting in a room looking at board and saying well you know. I like tack verses that Guy Okay. Let's just put them on. Let's watch them together. And like maybe losing that part of it. It's going to I like it. Just it's it's valuable part of the process loss to I think so too. I think there's a personal side to it. I think if you talked to a lot of GM's they know how each of their individual scouts grades players. It sounds crazy. But you're all working off the same grading scale but some guys are hard graders. Some guys are low graders in if you know if you're just looking at grades on paper like you can't hear the voice inflection. You can't you can't tell you can't see in the meeting when like a certain player gets brought up. You know one guy might. Gm's know that you know especially that had a staff together for a long time. They don't read their guys in a senior lose important data again. A lot of people might scoff at that stuff. But but I think that's important. I think it's it's it's human nature. It's allergy one. You'RE GONNA lose that human. What's your overview? The class in general like just class. Yeah over it's a good class especially its earth physician. I always look at. Where do we start drafting backups? A Lot's been made of this echo class. Last admitted the white outclass in particular. I think there are great. Ones that either position. I don't think there is a Calvin Johnson. Julio Jones at wide out what I do think it's a very good class because there's depth to it. I think you can get go back to last class. Terry maclaurin late in the third round could have won rookie of the year. They not add some quarterback issues in Washington. You'RE GONNA get layers like that. I think there's GONNA be some since starting August into the fourth round. Same thing with the offensive line like I don't see I personally don't see like a slam dunk top ten tackle to me. Those guys are early career role. Bowlers out. I don't particularly see one in this tackle group when I see a lot of good players and I see a lot adapt. I think you can get of you. Hit ON ERIC. Uconn in the in the second or third over Matt goes there are left tackle prospects into the third round which lost years. There's not you know you're drafted right. Tackles at that point. So there is really good depositions in overall. I do think it's strong. Grab this quarterback classes. Good you know usually these quarterbacks at the top I like over my years there's usually one or two guys that I think are GonNa bust in that class that I've ever heard or not four V six rates on adding. I think all four guys talked about the top to win a lot of games the next one. I know you know borough pretty well because you recruit them into play in the game and he wanted to play the game right like and I know that there was part of that where I guess it was just sort of a matter of the national championship game being just too close to senior bowl week and he wanted to get you know. Take a break. What was your experience like getting to know burrow? Yeah I'M NOT GONNA pretend to know Joe Great. I got to meet him last summer. At the manning camp was laid back environment again. We met at the field one day and then later that party at night in week we saw trump again. They're just like observing them around the other guys. That's always that's really cool thing working with the senior bowl as I can actually go to that event out when you you work in the NFL. You can't go to the camps so those guys in that environment out all the office together just observed Joe in that as the staff is a senior staffer stalking played. Odd Times. This year I twice you know. And then we communicated that I got to know his dad a little bit and then we had a really good talk when he decided not to complete the game and I understood his decision I got as can be the number one I ought to be beneficial for him to come here on the bangles. Maybe the team. That's going to be drafted him but He's really again. Talk about observing stuff. You go to a game. You observe this guy. Pre-game gravitates to him and who who looks at since big eyes. Small guys black is like everyone seems to be comfortable with the guy. And he's got that guy's guy quality to upset it before it is a coach's kid so he's just been around ball and talking to guys that have some coaches that have been through this process so far with the combine even some of the zoom stop. You know. He's in the room like do you feel what he's in the room. You can commander so. He's got no reservations on Joe in terms of you know the person the type of guy he's GonNa be one okay last thing. I'm GonNa put you on the spot a little bit here. I brought this up to you before but I don't think I ever heard the story. Can you tell me the story Jillian adult? You're with the Patriots at the time. I believe you're the area Scout. Can you tell me the story of joint? Ataman becoming a Patriot can tell you the part until I left and went to Kansas City so Julian played quarterback at Kent State as we all know it was coming off a little bit behind Josh cribs. It's been a long time. Some losing my frame of reference there but as a couple years at least after ribs there were cranking out some good players. Db's was the head coach. There no funny stories to go into within that state and you always asked me about spell check in and it's amazing. How many people ask you about both spellcheck when you're the road? And and and so but then once we hired Dane in New England while really wasn't releasing a friendship when also sir. Julian was really good athlete. Could run around really would sit in today's game not really read around make plays in talking on the staff one thing out you know to to Iran South Competitive. Julian was the offensive coordinator centers. Most competitive guide ever around so corrupt people. Wrong at times better than you wanted him on your football team so you know at that. Time we big quarterbacks in New England you had Tom you know Matt Cassel liquid profile you know sticks or six five doing clearly was bad so you're trying to find a place for a good football player in really slot. Receive your made the most sense Yeah I did. I left with Scott Yolly Article Kansas City and that's when I think they went out there and worked him out no shots and really try to get more of a feel for the skill set when you saw some of the short area. Julian David them on his hands. Like making people miss. You could see some movement. You could see where you'd be a really good okay so Julian's are not to be the player acids I mean I I would have never thought going back Julie in the athlete in I like Julie the become what he become said that yeah. I mean it's got to be one of those two like I duNNo. It's probably one of the kind of like as a scout is probably one of those you you take something away from that one that you always remember right like you try to use after that right. Yeah I mean it's to me it's it's it was a lesson in trying to think outside the box. I think in scouting. We've got a lot better with that over the years. Fifteen years ago doing coming up against a little more rigid scouts or local rigid. Yoga's fitted certain type. I think the League in general scouts and coaches are lot more open minded now than they were happen so you see a player and he has a certain still saturdays at a tools while it might not be for assistance. What any be ours. I just think I think about Jack. Did a good job ask did a great job at New England? What I think is a League okay. He's Jim Nagy. You can follow him on twitter and he mentioned his social media presence there he's like me spends too much time on their. Agim Nagy underscore. Sp I want to give you a chance to pump the game to kind of where you guys are at now. Obviously part this. I think you guys moved to twenty twenty one fairly soon. Right like so I know there's some changes coming too so I wanNA give me a chance to kind of give people an update on where the senior bowl going over the course of the next one. It'd be a next nine months before you guys Saddle up again. Thank you for doing that. We're we're excited. We are twenty twenty one right now all five schools. We've got almost four hundred names on the board right now. We're now we're started working on the group of schools and that over the summer we'll get down to the division two's really excited about this year's draft and your lasting ten I trump picks which had done awhile. I don't know if we'll get to that number this year But you know with Herbert log in law. There's there's a lot of good players were excited about this draft. Our our high number ever ninety six. So we're trying to get triple digits. We get on ethics this year. That would be It'd be pumped about that but yeah it's full speed have earthquakes. I was excited players and really see them undrafted and see where all these guys do. You have any early impressions on next year. Draft Class Really good running back. Classmates really good clemson now. She hairs and Brian Robinson it. Alabama Kyle ill Mississippi State There's some really good chew operated Oklahoma state so that classes really good and I do Trevor Lawrence will graduate in December Davos. All this adds will be senior bowl eligible so the ad should be. It should be fun. Hopefully we can now travel. Owners can be mobile. I hope so. He's Jim Nagy. Thanks appreciate you coming out all right thanks to Jim. I don't know if we've actually had him on before but he's fantastic. I love talking to him. He knows this inside. Now you know is the way teams work and obviously as a really really good global view of each draft class because he's responsible for scouting them and his staff is responsible for scouting. I'm so be sure to follow him on. Twitter great draft content year round from him and just a good overall dude also. Who's worked for a lot of good organizations having worked for the Patriots and the Seahawks and the chiefs? We will now jump in your questions. You guys know how this works during quarantine right because we can't do the stuff that we used to do with voice mail and the mail because it's hard to involve shelby In this part of it for the time being we're going back to doing a six pack the way that we used to do it back in the day that means on Tuesday. I put the call out for questions on twitter some of it goes to my mailbag which is up on the QB dot com some of them. Come here and you ask the question. I like your question. I'll give you a like on twitter. That means I'll hit the heart there and you'll get an answer here question number one. I'm a butcher named Dude from Ken. Wizar- coric that's Ken was of. The chargers are not able to drive to who they bring in. As the new face of the franchise moving into a new stadium. Ken That's a very good question. And what's interesting here is if for some reason and I don't know the Mystery Tina B. But let's just say let's just play the scenario out. Borough goes one someone comes up and gets to three. I don't know let's just say for the fun of it. Let's get wild. And the raiders. Come up to get to three and the dolphins plucked Justin Herbert at five. What are the chargers do? Well that's a problem for the chargers at least for now right like so. I do think that you know and and get you heard when we talked to him about it. There is a decent idea there A decent theory that teams could sit and wait for next year's draft at that position and so the chargers could say well all right. Well let's wait for next year's class. What's next year's class you've got Trevor Lawrence a generational prospect right? You've got Justin in fields from Ohio state who I mean some teams. I think are going to have him ready to close to Trevor Lawrence when all is said and done so on as we have a college season. So then you've got two guys who I think are already or the being top five picks just feels again. I think he might if he was if he was eligible. This year. Might have been the second corps taken this year. So you've got those two guys and that's without even accounting for the fact that the last three years with Baker Mayfield cuyler Murray Joe. We're GONNA have had number one overall picks that weren't considered first rounders going into their final collegiate season. So I think there is some merit in the idea of waiting until twenty two thousand one. If you've got the flexibility and freedom to do it if the chargers wind up aced out those three quarterbacks tough I've not impossible I don't think it's likely but not impossible. Could the chargers say okay? Let's tread water for years. They've got tyrod Taylor in the Roster. Maybe at that point. Maybe that's when you roll the dice on Cam Newton. We'll see question number two from rich signi see. That's at rich underscores here. Who is the first offensive? Tackle is going to be drafted like Jim said. I don't know there's a Walter Jones in this year's group but I would just say it's going to be sort of up to what you need and what you want and means is going to be it's going to kind of ride on on who winds up taking the first one so. I don't think one goes in the top. Three picks think one could be in play for one could be play at five one could be in play at eight. One can be a play at nine and so somewhere along that line. You'RE GONNA have your first offensive tackle. Go and if it's the giants I you look for the size speed freak. And that's what MCI ACTON is so MCI BECCA would make some sense if this giants pulling the trigger. If it's the dolphins you know maybe it's Becton. Maybe it's Andrew Thomas because they're looking for replacement for for for Laremy Tunsil. They traded last August. So I think this is a kind of depends on. Who's taking the the kids sort of pick like the jets who are zone blocking team might see wharfs is better than any of them you know so. I think they're sort of just some different dynamics at work where each of them are a little bit different and it's GonNa be kind of beauty being an item hold on that one question number. Three from at ICI maclaurin. I enjoy that nickname And he's got like a canoe the snowflake as as as as his handle their. How do you view the Redskins Roster for two thousand twenty or they locked for tough I pick again in two thousand twenty one? I do not think there are locked for top five. Pick in two thousand twenty one. We mentioned off the top. They're defensive line is a chance to be really really good if they draft chase Yang now all of a sudden they're defensive line supercharge. They need some help in the secondary But they're pretty decent the skill position players on the skill positions on offense. Obviously Trent Williams is like a lingering question out there. I if Dwayne askings make some progress I I don't think it's impossible in the division. That's GonNa have new coaches through the four teams or have. New Coaches is impossible earlier competitive in the six and ten. You know seven to nine range question. Number four is from Josh. Aris at Josh heiress. Will there even be a football season? This was what I was referencing off the top. I am going to answer these questions. Joshua sure hope so I don't think any of us can answer that question. I'll tell you I'm cautiously optimistic I'm not a doctor. I don't cover infectious disease. I my wife is a nurse. But that doesn't give me a whole lot more inside information than anybody else somewhere this going. I will tell you that just some of the things that I've heard from people who I think no are encouraging that by the summer will be starting to get back to normal and if we're starting to get back to normal by the summer in July and August then I think there will be a football season. What form it takes on. We'll see but I do. There'll be a football season. I sure hope there is to question. Number five Roger I in Cuyahoga Falls. That's at our one I or at our first Cleveland. Potential draft trades for Andrew Berry and the Cleveland Browns. I I think you're right are asked to be up for the browns trading down because of what we've seen in the past now one thing you can say for Andrew Berry and his group and the group there that Started to build a team in and I'm GonNa say it was twenty. Sixteen the thing about them like they didn't do a great job. Picking players but they were excellent at maximizing their assets and making the most of their assets and so. I wouldn't surprise me if we see them. Start to start to build assets again. And maybe I like I don't know maybe the tackles are gone. And they see somebody wants to come up from one of the defensive players maybe one of the offensive players slips a little bit. Somebody comes up for one of them. Maybe just in Herbert slips. Maybe you know whoever it is they could be a landing spot for one of those teams the likelihood is they sit tight Where they are and take one and take one of the offensive Lineman or the offensive Lineman Oregon. I would they be open to moving down in this year's draft you've got to third rounders. They don't have a fifth rounder But they have seven picks overall and so I think building up the sort of war chest would make some sense than would be along the lines of the history of Andrew Berry when he was there before under Sashi Brown finally question number six last question of the week for a team like the jets or any other with new. Gm top fifteen and no real chance to win now. What is more important the top tier player in the draft or draught capital for the next five years? James I would tell you that. I think that this is a draft to look at the long view because of the situation that all of these teams are going to be a no off season program that makes it a little like two thousand eleven the differences during that lockout year you had twenty eight padded practices and training camp. These teams are only going to have sixteen. It's going to be hard to get guys up to speed in the environment that you've got right now very very difficult to get. Get the young guys up to speed. So I think you have to look at every rookie and say whatever we get from to me. Like whatever we get from is a little bit of a bonus We're looking towards two thousand twenty one twenty two and twenty three. That's why I think. Some teams are going to look at their holes and say let's see if there are some veterans available during draft week. So we can have. Somebody can come in here and hit the ground running to fill one of our whole so. We don't have to rely on a rookie for that. Said they need to the jets themselves need to address tackle issue and so. I think it's very very important to take care of the tra- tackle issue. That's about taking care of your young quarterback Joe. Douglas has shown desire to do that with Connor McGovern with St George Fanton all the offensive line editions. They've had this off season. I they continue their add another offensive linemen and the draft if they can with that tenth overall pick. Thanks guys for coming out. 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